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Post-Debate Thread: Final Thoughts
Trump did not attack Hillary very effectively. She had her attack lines memorized. He was improvising his from memories. I suspect he might bother studying for the next one. Because she pissed him off.
Hillary dinged Trump up a fair amount. However, some people view these debates and their candidates like a new car -- ever fearful of the smallest ding. Look, have you ever had a car that didn't get a ding? The idea that a candidate has to come through a debate without having had a glove laid on him to win is simply wrong. Its an idea borne of a lack of perspective -- people get so emotionally invested in a win that every single error seems unbearable. Trump made lots of errors -- I can't believe he brought up taking the oil again, for example -- but Hillary's goal here was to disqualify him. What did she do? She painted him like every other Republican gets painted in a debate. She did not succeed in extraordinizing him -- making him an extraordinary threat the Republican can not bear. By repeating the same sorts of attacks lodged at every Republican -- wants to cut taxes, "racist," etc. -- she actually ordinized him. Trump's demeanor was generally strong and calm. He got rattled a few times. He looked pissy when she was dropping her programmed attack modules on him. But by and large, he kept it together. Was he good? No. He wasn't sharp. I know people's jaws were falling open when Trump failed to pounce on her for daring to bring up emails, disclosures, and cybersecurity. He was meh. Hillary delivered the exact same message that all of her ads are playing around the clock. The viewer really got no new information on that front. On the other hand, Trump stood up at the podium and kept to his basic message without melting down. (Well, except that "take their oil" like.) Her goal was to disqualify him; his goal was to seem like an ordinary Republican. Or, at least, ordinary enough to not seem scary (while attempting to seem like a big change agent). Neither did a very good job. But Trump did a slightly better job at is job than she did at hers. The one good thing -- I hope -- is that sometimes Trump has to get his ass kicked a little before he starts listening to other people. He didn't get whooped by Hillary, but she did make him angry. Maybe that will animate him to study up and make himself prepared to deliver crisp attack lines. By the way: Lester Holt directed every single hostile question towards Trump, and purported to "fact check" him every five minutes.I'm sure Holt just needed 5 more minutes to ask about the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play scandals. I know it in my bones.
— John Hayward (@Doc_0) September 27, 2016
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (/NlFx)
Posted by: free tibet, etc. at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (CL76w)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: free tibet, etc. at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (CL76w)
Posted by: Ray, just Ray at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (XFS85)
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: pat at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (4MSOz)
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (om8sC)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (/NlFx)
Posted by: free tibet, etc. at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (CL76w)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (fiGNd)
Trump didn't drop a deuce on the stage so he won.
This debate.
If he wants to win the next debate he has to do better.
Posted by: ArthurK at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (h53OH)
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (NqQAS)
Posted by: CMU VET at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (C+wjz)
Okay, so maybe like Obama at the first debate in 2012, or not even that bad.
And we know Trump is capable of learning.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (oGNNA)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (zu88C)
Good job on not preparing for a hostile two on one debate attack!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (1CroS)
Other than that, I think teh Donald won.
Posted by: West at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (hWwwF)
Dark thought: he might not.
Buy guns just in case.
Winona Dreamin'
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (mNS8n)
Hillary dinged Trump up a fair amount. However, some people view these debates and their candidates like a new car -- ever fearful of the smallest ding.
Look, have you ever had a car that didn't get a ding?
Romney dominated Obama in their first debate.
Obama humiliated Romney in the other two.
Perhaps a similar path is Trump's best hope.
Trump started out strong, but let Hillary get to him. He let very easy responses go by and gave meandering rebukes.
Hillary repeated rehearsed lines.
Whoever gave her the drug cocktail to keep her up and responsive enough to spout back pre-written lines deserves a Nobel Prize.
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (4bjXi)
Posted by: xav at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (RjLDU)
Posted by: Meh at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (WLd2b)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (kcEGn)
I hope he preps better for the next one.
Posted by: Just a guy who loves his country at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (NPLj5)
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (wCEn4)
I think people will notice this bullshit.
The next debate with Cooper the quiff will be even more enraging from a bias stand point.
I actually expect Piss Wallace to be the worst of the bunch.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (+lv+r)
Even the very first question was straight from Democrat talking points.
And amazingly... she answered like... she knew what the questions were going to be...
He.... did not...
Gee.... how... interesting...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (GUBah)
That said, it's time for the GOP to blacklist NBC from future debates.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (KRwzj)
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (VjPX+)
I hope he learns from this and carries his experience forward to the next two.
He has to know he's debating her and the mod(s).
Posted by: willy at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (I10CF)
And again, thanks to all who watched. YOU are the heroes!
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (oGNNA)
Trump should have had a handful of items to drill and planned different segues into them, knowing the moderators would never bring up.
And, stop rearranging the damn deck chairs n inform on her globalist sell out of our sovereignty and liberty.
Posted by: Justamom at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (sVnbw)
She's one of them....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (/NlFx)
Posted by: 52% at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (zu88C)
He clearly winged the debate
Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (Jzg4b)
Lester Holt: Secretary Clinton, (substantive policy question)
Lester Holt: Donald Trump, about your tax returns.
And of course the missing question:
Not Lester Holt: Secretary Clinton, can you explain how pneumonia makes you turn into Gumby after two bottles of vodka?
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (iMxBJ)
Posted by: An Observation at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (SAMq1)
Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (yB+wk)
Posted by: firehorse at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (//TVq)
Posted by: Brendan at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (DdR4l)
Trump was discomfited. I agree with ace that Trump will pull a Rocky II and come back stronger.
For the third debate he'll train in the snowy heights, carrying a log.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (om8sC)
Seriously? I dislike Trump, that's up front, but I was rooting for him to spill blood tonight.
He had so many openings. He just whiffed. He got down in the weeds.
He had to win, she just had to survive. She won.
No, I am not happy about this outcome.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (mgbwf)
He spent too much time defending and explaining, and didn't take the openings on computer security, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, etc.
He needs to memorize a "kill list" of topics to be SURE to drive home in the next rounds. And execute on those lists, regardless of what other shit gets thrown.
If he'll do that, he'll do 80% better than he did tonight.
My take? He didn't lose. But he lost out on a strong, clear win.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (v5iqM)
Posted by: Nick in South Bend at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (a7FXx)
Not entirely his fault, given the attack questions and fact checking from the mod, but he handled it poorly.
If you're explaining, you're losing. Worse, he was explaining himself against BS accusations the entire time while Hillary never had to explain or justify a single thing.
Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (71OEY)
Posted by: turambar at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (JtIBD)
And Don didn't mention Bengazi? And Lester didin't fact check HRC about TPP.
Posted by: vivi at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (11H2y)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (6IPEM)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (voOPb)
"Vibrant" is a Latin word dirivaiant. The Latin is Vita. it mean "life"
I always thought of the inner cities as dangerous and deadly.
Posted by: pat at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (4MSOz)
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (It7Oy)
Posted by: keena at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (RiTnx)
There needs to be a reckoning on her email shenanigans, he charitable fraud and her overseas failures. She skated on these tonight because Trump failed to go after her even when there were big fat pitches over the plate.
He cannot fail to go after her for these in future episodes.
No clear winner.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (BK3ZS)
I liked the first half hour, lost interest in the second, and took my dog for a walk at the end.
But I think if he had the momentum and the lead going in, a tie tonight probably doesn't change that, though possibly it may slow it.
Or we might find that "hispanic" mass shooting events have more effect than 90 minutes of talking points.
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (yB+wk)
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (wCEn4)
Trump, by calling into question Hillary's stahm-E-na, will lead to four weeks of Crossfit Hillary ads.
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (om8sC)
Posted by: Turner at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (WLd2b)
Couldn't disagree more.
Trump held up better than expected, and gave the liv and msm crowd nothing to hang on.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (C9pBZ)
He doesn't want the job or he wants her to have it ...
/No other explanation
Posted by: Common Sense at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (Q1u0H)
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (It7Oy)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (KRwzj)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (uI8Pr)
Inner cities are vibrant in the sense that flying bullets make a sound and sound, of course, is comprised of vibrations.
Viva la vibrancy!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (BK3ZS)
The economy completely sucks. Riots consume cities. Violent attacks everywhere, including all over our own country. No hope in America. Hillary thinks these are the happiest days ever.
Trump's temperament is his greatest asset. He came off as human reacting to the hellish mess hatched by the politicians.
Posted by: Onlooker at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (1kjZB)
Who counts the votes?
Posted by: Justamom at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (sVnbw)
Posted by: pat at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (4MSOz)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Janetoo at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (phNni)
Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (/22Vh)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (ODkrH)
Posted by: California Girl at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (Pt5D1)
Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (yB+wk)
Posted by: deplorable cthulhu at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (EzgxV)
Not entirely his fault but, fuck- when he brought up something valid or damaging, he refused to shut the fuck up and make her explain it. He just kept talking and explaining for her.
Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (71OEY)
oh Shit.
Megggyyyynnn says "Trump is talking to Sean Hannity, let see if he talks to the journalists in the room".
Nasty, boy hair cut bitch. Not a Hannity fan but she is a bitch.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (zu88C)
He needs to study. He needs to memorize things. He needs to learn to...
FINISH HER!
Posted by: the guy from Mortal Kombat at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (H9MG5)
He did fine.
She didn't drop dead on the stage, which was what I was hoping for ( although I'd have settled for a simple 'medical incident' with or without colostomy bags, etc
Posted by: Billy Occam at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (/542q)
Posted by: wiserbud at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (AqEbb)
He clearly winged the debate
Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (Jzg4b)
I think the Pence vs. Kaine debate will be vastly better. Not as good as the Cheney vs. Lieberman in 2000, but closer to it than this debate or the next two...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Chin puller at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (WLd2b)
Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (yB+wk)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: keena at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (RiTnx)
I'm convinced that is a false flag operation by the media, "Look you guys, wowee, we have a half black impartial moderator that just happens to be a registered Republican!" Totes OBJECTIVE, yo!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: Vox dot Com at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (om8sC)
He could have done worse.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (voOPb)
Yup. Many missed opportunities, too much talking about himself, even given the need to defend.
But his theme of "you had plenty of chances, and you screwed them up," and "you make really crappy deals; I know, I'm a deal guy" came through very well.
Plus the other theme: Hillary is status quo, I am change.
For me another theme was: listening to Trump is mostly fun. Listening to Hillary is something near torture. It just keeps getting worse, the more I see of her.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (iMxBJ)
Her people have to think it was a big missed opportunity
I still like trumps chances better than Hillary but he could have worked this debate with just a little prep
Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (Jzg4b)
Posted by: TexasJew at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (Xtx+H)
Part of the persuasion deal is tapping into people's preconceived narrative arcs. If Trump blew all his big shots in the first debate, that would be old news by the second and third.
If you win early, there's nowhere for the story to go but down. If you lose a bit of ground early, though, there's time to make it up and turn it around later.
At least I hope this is part of the deal. Again, Scott Adams seems to have predicted Trump's narrative management pretty well thus far...
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (L54EB)
Posted by: An American Commoner, Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (pxwEr)
Funny how when I ask myself that question regarding all the big personalities on ABC, CBS and NBC, I come up with the same answer.
Like, should we know that and know it so easily? Seriously. That is a big problem. Believe me. Sad!
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (4bjXi)
Posted by: Scotsfury at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (i2Ro9)
He will tell you that himself.
He will also tell you that you are a Great American and that you should seriously consider getting new blinds and LifeLock.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (It7Oy)
Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (HBU7W)
But maybe by not hitting her and going nuts, he does seem un-scary.
And every time people see Hillary, they get turned off by her. Let's not forget she called all Americans racist, threatened to take away their guns, and I think worked in a claim that we're all sexist too.
Posted by: LawLurker at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (b2PbZ)
Not entirely his fault, given the attack questions and fact checking from the mod, but he handled it poorly.
If you're explaining, you're losing. Worse, he was explaining himself against BS accusations the entire time while Hillary never had to explain or justify a single thing.
Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (71OEY)
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I disagree. Trump controlled the debate talking about yourself.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (uI8Pr)
Posted by: JROD at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (wnwJC)
Self pitying Trump is not the best Trump
Yeah . Kellyanne has got to either make him comfortable being " nice" or let him off the leash.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (zu88C)
Exactly so.
She is the favorite here, and couldn't put Trump away, and he wasn't folding like the last two GOP candidates...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (VfYeS)
Posted by: ever at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (kronK)
Posted by: Vox dot Com at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (om8sC)
100% was Trump defending himself and explaining himself.
Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (71OEY)
Birtherism, racism, sexism.....yeah, nothing important..
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (/NlFx)
Posted by: Erich Schwarz at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (Z36Y8)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: California Girl at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (Pt5D1)
She was fading at the end. Not sure it showed up in the voice, but if you watched her eyelids, it was really obvious.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (iMxBJ)
Posted by: Mr. Right at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (cnOqz)
Someone please tell me what I should make of all this!
You know what?
I am going to Montana the day after tomorrow. Baby brother getting married. Nice, long weekend in Yellowstone country.
I'll try and figure shit out after that.
Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (Jvy2x)
When Hillary is bad, she doesn't have that humorous element to offset it
Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (Jzg4b)
Posted by: William Eaton at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (s/vC3)
Posted by: Yo! at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (7dzxl)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: Tuna at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (JSovD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (Ozsfq)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (c6/9Q)
And trying to appear like he doesnt just attack for no reason. The "undecideds" don't like negativity. We'll see.
Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (EdXI9)
Posted by: The Debating Hat at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (vBeA5)
Works for us 1/2 the time every 20th time.
//Your GOP Political Advisor Class.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (SzZnW)
Why he didn't bring up the Benghazi survivor in the crowd is beyond me.
Prep Donald, prep.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (voOPb)
He will also tell you that you are a Great American and that you should seriously consider getting new blinds and LifeLock.
Posted by: garrett
====
He is a proud non journalist and a really great guy off camera!
It was the way she used it.
She is an elitist cvnt. It is what it is.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (EZebt)
clinton did provide policy details but they come across as the same sort of expensive sink hole programs we've seen for decades. her supporters will be encouraged but not much more than that.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (WTSFk)
There is a whole lot of opportunity to highlight the Hillary corruption that so many are sick of.
Posted by: Drider at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: JROD at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (wnwJC)
He had so many openings. He just whiffed. He got down in the weeds.
He had to win, she just had to survive. She won.
...
How do you figure this? The woman who is supposedly "the most experienced person to ever run for president" merely had to SURVIVE, and the neophyte derided as a total maniac and incompetent had to WIN against such a juggernaut?
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Justsayin at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (WLd2b)
Who among us thinks of Rosie O'Donnell as a woman?
Posted by: Vox dot Com at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (om8sC)
Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (c6/9Q)
Remember that time you came home and found both of your uncles in the living room trying to give your mom the 'heimlich maneuver?
It will look nothing like that.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (It7Oy)
All Trump has to do is keep hitting his themes and start hammering her with ads.
She spending a shit ton and isn't even really on the trail her base doesn't give a rip about this or any other debate and I can't imagine she has roped in any independents or men from this performance so I expect the lefts panic to grow exponentially in the weeks as the polls show Trump expanding his lead.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (+lv+r)
The quip about Dem control of the cities and asking for votes every four years and doing nothing was pretty good, too. He hit her pretty good on the violence in Chicago.
I wonder what the unemployment numbers are for Chicago's inner city youth.
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (JBggj)
http://bit.ly/1cjRnTT
Posted by: Random Lurker at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (+tRIN)
Posted by: rexbatt at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (woA40)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (Om16U)
Where are all these clips the media wanted of Trump being "negative"?
He's fighting a war on a lot of fronts here.
Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (EdXI9)
becuz we're already for him.
Tonight was a bid for the "undecided".
So, he was calm, didn't hit hard, and looked "alpha" and Presidential.
So, Trump supporters are likely to feel disappointed in the lack of "Trump" the Destroyer.
I guess we'll see if his being calm and adult worked better than Hillary! being all smirky and insulting.
I found her off-putting but then I would.
The beautiful and perceptive Mrs naturalfake who is not a political person at all, said-
Trump won. She liked his manner and explanations/details. She found Hillary to be off-putting and to vague in her pronouncements.
Maybe Trump won bigly after all.
We'll see.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (miR0C)
^^^
This seems reasonable. I think Clinton may have won on points, as in "College Debate Team" points. But this election isn't about that.
She came across as robotic - all the halting speech and awkward pauses. I think there are some people who will interpret that as "more presidential", but really...if Trump can hammer her on all the dirty laundry in the next month, then it won't help her.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (L54EB)
It's a coordinated effort. All about "temperament".
He missed his chance. It was there. Several times. But Donald won't miss a chance to talk about Donald.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (uI8Pr)
Nice to know everyone is a racist, not just us. Thanks Hillary!
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (iWW0H)
Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (HBU7W)
...
How do you figure this? The woman who is supposedly "the most experienced person to ever run for president" merely had to SURVIVE, and the neophyte derided as a total maniac and incompetent had to WIN against such a juggernaut?
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (dciA+)
This is actually very encouraging.
Thanks, boss.
Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (Jvy2x)
Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (5v4w4)
People will remember the last debate not the first one.
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (c6/9Q)
Quite true.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (BK3ZS)
i don't believe i know you professor, care to introduce yourself ?
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (gyKtp)
Same here. Best friend (who lurks here) and his wife think the same. My LIV mom thinks it's a Trump win, but she hates the Clintons.
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (GUBah)
Doesn't matter. The democong and their gope buttboys have screwed the economy over so badly that they lose a good chunk of votes right there.
Add in a few muslim terror attacks and BLM riots that our self-procliamed elite either don't care to address or instigate themselves ( and there WILL be more of these before the election).
Don't forget the illegals taking lower-class jobs and squatting on welfare payments.
Hell, the democong have been so malfeasant in the ghettos that they lost their required target % of the black vote.
I'm not saying Trump has it wrapped up, but he didn't lose the election tonight.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (swEzU)
Why he didn't bring up the Benghazi survivor in the crowd is beyond me.
Prep Donald, prep.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (voOPb)
I think he just walked away for three or four kill-shots that everyone, even LiVs, have heard about, like Benghazi!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (wCEn4)
See. That's why her poll numbers will continue to free fall.
Posted by: Justsayin at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (WLd2b)
Save a lot of other time, like reading Metaxas' new book, If You Can Keep It.
Highly recommended.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (L0bUn)
He will tell you that himself.
He will also tell you that you are a Great American and that you should seriously consider getting new blinds and LifeLock.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (It7Oy)
And a membership in that CCW association
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (voOPb)
again, he comes across as superficial though often right.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (WTSFk)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (It7Oy)
Bizaardvark: You Have to Love the Haters
http://tinyurl.com/znusacz
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (/NlFx)
Posted by: CW at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (MhOIe)
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (e2Rx3)
It's far more powerful than Trump stumbling on something about a tax return
Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (Jzg4b)
Wish I could stay up for the ONT but this "29" year old needs her beauty sleep.
Goodnight all.
Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (xpSCc)
Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (o38N1)
Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (/22Vh)
Posted by: spypeach at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (nyYhO)
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (5UjEE)
Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (HBU7W)
No question that most of her talk was memorized little speeches; Ace called that out early. I think you're right about the questions, though. She didn't need the slightest pause after one of the Holt questions to launch right into one of her speeches. For some other stuff, she would pause, construct some awkward segue, and then launch into the memorized stuff.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (iMxBJ)
John Pedestal being interviewed to fan the same flames.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (21hN3)
Luntz had Romney winning the election based on the 1st debate sport.
Go f**k a chainsaw.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (SzZnW)
Trump is change candidate, and that gets a lot more complicated, in understanding the change, and then explaining the change.
Having the moderator on her side helped a lot, and Holt obeyed all those that were instructing him to attack Trump. oh well ... I think Trump is fine after this ... he is a change agent, not a veteran political hack that will just say anything. (but yeah, hope he gets focused more for the next two debates)
Prediction ... polls keep moving in Trump's direction.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (n6rAX)
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (GUBah)
The one you bally-hooed at the time or the one that was subsequently reported --- you know, the side deals, the lack of inspection, the stuff that came out later, after the victory speech.
Lester knows what I'm talkin' about ... don't you, Lester.
Always do the follow-up reporting, that's the key to being an ace reporter, isn't it Lester? Always follow-up.
And in that regard you're aces, Lester. Top notch.
Thanks to your reporting on Iran I learned that Hillary's a lying scrunt - your term, not mine.
_
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (om8sC)
Posted by: ajlfour at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (5pCl+)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (Om16U)
The small bit I saw Hillary looked liked she was really cranked. I mean, like she was about to try to disassemble her podium mike
But I hate that b* and would say bad things about her if she acted like June Cleaver
Posted by: Kindltot at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (KOBAq)
Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (/22Vh)
Wish I could stay up for the ONT but this "29" year old needs her beauty sleep.
Goodnight all.
Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (xpSCc
You might need sleep, but it isn't for beauty.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (voOPb)
Going by that description.
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (Pby3z)
Who the hell in the RNC ever agrees to do anything with NBC? They are the sine qua non of progressive corruption in America today.
Posted by: Onlooker at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (1kjZB)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (ODkrH)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (uI8Pr)
Watch her eyes, they appear to keep flicking down to the prepared notes on the lecturn!
I knew that the fix was in as soon as GOP Lester said the questions hadn't been seen by anyone!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: jacke at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (fO+6C)
Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (/O5Ax)
Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (/22Vh)
How is that his biggest weakness compared to her? Did he ever throw a lamp at anyone's head?
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (iMxBJ)
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (+NedX)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (+b2T3)
Posted by: Nosegay of Deplorables at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (EIJH/)
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (jq0uP)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JBggj)
trump's criticisms of the problems are legitimate, but his solutions offer little more than slogans. too superficial and lacking enough depth to peel away any clinton supporters methinks.
clinton supporters aren't ever going to get peeled away, policy proposals or not.
clinton did provide policy details but they come across as the same sort of expensive sink hole programs we've seen for decades. her supporters will be encouraged but not much more than that.
For all the continued faith put in having a candidate put out policy papers as though they will be read and digested, can anyone name one proposal from a past election from a winner or a loser? No? Gawd, Mitt's policy proposals numbered in the many dozens and who gave a royal rat's ass one way or another?
Sloganeering has won more elections and lost more elections than any policy proposal. Like it or not, there it is.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: concrete girl at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JY0LF)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (+b2T3)
I think she memorized modules. Whatever subject comes up she repeats her talking points. Someone up thread said she's playing for the sound bites to be repeated on the chat shows and the news.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (Q5Ymk)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (c6/9Q)
Sounds like she came off as a typical talking point politician and he came off as a non-politician.
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Which I think works well.
I'm tired of career politicians, so Trump as an Outsider totally works for me. Has worked from the beginning.
Policy wonk vs. Businessman is an OK strategy, since right now, congress has the lowest rating in history.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (tvyXw)
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (It7Oy)
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (jq0uP)
Yep.
Like I said in the last thread, that asshole is never going to have to buy drinks again.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (egK2C)
This worked against Goldwater.
This does not inspire me with confidence.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (s/vC3)
The media will say she won, but we all knew that going in.
He did too much scowling and rambling, and was too defensive, while she almost went full Joe Biden with her constant smirking and derisive laughter. (And why not? It worked for Biden.)
Someone pointed out that Trump was stronger near the beginning, and that might matter. Only political junkies watched the whole thing. The average LIV probably tuned out after a while.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (sdi6R)
But she didn't really score any knockout blows either. Trump flubbed several golden opportunities to strike, but he didn't make any real major slips.
I'm disappointed because I wanted to see Hillary laid low in all of her decrepitude, but I have no idea how the debate looks generally, to the people that matter, in the battleground states. Trump looks more authentic, I think. Hillary's canned statements make her look like "more of the same," but if that's what you want, I think your mind is made up already.
Holt was abominable. All of the questions were attacks on Trump. Nothing directly attacking Hillary. The purported "fact checking," including the one on Iraq, was terrible. He allowed Hillary to skate, even gave a shout out to her in a question about Hillary being the first female on the stage, etc. I'm sure the news crews around the world are very happy with his performance.
But in the end, they aren't the people that matter, either.
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JBggj)
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He doesn't need to.
Everyone knows that FAB lies like a rug.
Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (rlfds)
Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (yB+wk)
***********
That is the big take-away from this. No matter how slick her answers were, she still came across as unlikable.
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (NqQAS)
replies at least twice. Trump never called on anyone to check out
Hillary.
--
If he did, he'd be called a bully.
Whatever he did, he'd be a bully.
/once again, lots can happen before the election.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (tvyXw)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (Q5Ymk)
Yes. There was one attempted sound bite she liked a lot, and repeated. It had the word "trump" in it, but even with the repetition I can't remember what it was, so I'm guessing it wasn't as catchy as she and her handlers thought.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (iMxBJ)
The Clinton Media Complex has a narrative set for him... that he is negative and petty... and he didn't play into it.
Big picture, folks.
Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (EdXI9)
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (+b2T3)
You had me up until here. I think Hillary one tonight.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (/tuJf)
It fills me to the brim with confidence.
We are either going to submit to the caliphate on her watch or eat a nuke....
then all bets are off.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: turambar at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (JtIBD)
Given that, Trump did okay. Wish he'd done better. Didn't hurt us who go out to volunteer for him, so, there's that.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (6FqZa)
Yup I loved how well prepared Mitt was back in '12 sport...
you got the two stroke oil yet?
You've a chainsaw to f**k.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (n6rAX)
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki, Certified Deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (kP16F)
The woman cannot swallow without choking.
definite health problem
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (iMxBJ)
Posted by: Jen the original at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (x22hQ)
A fair point. I think trump excited his supportes more. In an intensity election trump has the advantage and tonight didn't change it.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (5UjEE)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (/tuJf)
As she is supposed to be so awesome and experienced she should have had him foaming at the mouth, right?
Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (hVdx9)
liked a lot, and repeated. It had the word "trump" in it, but even with
the repetition I can't remember what it was, so I'm guessing it wasn't
as catchy as she and her handlers thought.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (iMxBJ)
--It was like "Trump trickle down" or something. It was a bad phrase. "Trickle down economics" is before the time of most of the voters that she's looking for.
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (ODkrH)
I think what will dictate whether this was a win for Trump or not is how many people saw through the bias.
This was without question one of the most blatantly rigged and one sided debate in favor of the democrat that I have ever seen. I have no doubt Lester Dolt met with Hillary's campaign privately to put this all together in order to maximize the damage against Trump.
If this is truly a change election, a lot of undecideds will have come away pissed off that they learned nothing about how jobs will be created and only that Trump is a big meanie.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (5JBUT)
When Kerry in 2004 stated he was going to be against nuclear proliferation, and waffled about a global test - that was a knockout. Self-inflicted.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (6FqZa)
Bronco Bama is the mummer's farce that precedes the Long Dark Winter.
Grid your Lions, it's gonna get weird.
Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (Jvy2x)
I for one welcome our Lizeroid Overseers and the confiscation of our gold, steel, lead and land; as well as the implantation of our God Chip in our upper-outer cerebral cortex!
Hitlery Uber Alles!
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (nIGPZ)
His wealth, his business, his tax returns. Yada, yada, yada.
So what happens next?
She attacked the obvious targets, now what?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (ngn8T)
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (c6/9Q)
He achieved that. The LIV aren't paying attention yet it's still September. They may say they watched, but I doubt it.
The Voice and dancing with the stars are more important to them.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (Q5Ymk)
Posted by: Justsayin at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (WLd2b)
Read Sea of Words first!
Posted by: jacke at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (fO+6C)
Pick up gun
Go to bank
Hit Pharmacy
Go to mom's
Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (hVdx9)
And the whole birther thing. What a waste of time for the electorate, but just one more thing to use against Trump, but not against Hillary, whose people pushed Obama birtherism as hard as anyone else.
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (3DSAh)
Trump tickle down!
tee hee hee
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (Om16U)
Is the problem.
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (qUNWi)
She gots the hydrophobia? Where's Atticus?
Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (Jvy2x)
Regardless of where the polls currently stand, Trump is still the underdog. A tie is a loss for Trump and a win for Clinton.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (KRwzj)
Ultimately, I can't hate HRC anymore than I already do, but I liked Trump less after watching him talk the last 1.5 hours
Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (/22Vh)
Not at all. And I do think Holt was far harder on him than he was on Hillary and I think this stuff backfires.
People don't trust the media and they are tired of the bias. Unless you are in the tank for Hillary I don't know how anyone could miss the slant.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (/tuJf)
I didn't watch so can't say anything about actual debate, but some of what people were saying we knew: she probably had the questions ahead of time, Holt would ask questions that favored hillary and he would interrupt Trump, the audience would be stacked, and the msm would declare her the victor before it even started and would do so with a pre planned message.
All entirely predictable and the next one will be the same.
The one thing that bugs me is that I thought Trump would have fought for fair moderators. Repubs always fail at this.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (ODxAs)
But on the other hand, could Hillary's "health problems" have been a deliberate rope-a-dope strategy against Trump? As in, she was faking it? Just throwing that out there.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (sdi6R)
People watching the debate have to be wondering who the real Hillary is. They know who the real Donald is.
That's what Trump meant when he said she didn't look like a President. She doesn't look authentic. She doesn't because she isn't.
Posted by: Onlooker at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (1kjZB)
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (cm1Bl)
Posted by: GrampyB at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (YLidQ)
Missed that
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: mrp
Interesting that Holt brought that up. Good thing the moderator is an objective personality.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Matt Lauer at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (6FqZa)
Trump would still be great to have a beer with. Hillary - not bangable.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (/NlFx)
I can hear you, you know.
Posted by: Heidi Chong at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (It7Oy)
She looked drugged. Her eyes don't look clear or bright.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (Q5Ymk)
I knew that the fix was in as soon as GOP Lester said the questions hadn't been seen by anyone!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (wCEn4)
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Hell he even did a big wink with his right eye towards Hillary.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (uI8Pr)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (iWW0H)
This was without question one of the most blatantly rigged and one
sided debate in favor of the democrat that I have ever seen. I have no
doubt Lester Dolt met with Hillary's campaign privately to put this all
together in order to maximize the damage against Trump.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (5JBUT)
I was never a Trump fan, but I was still embarrassed at the way the moderators attacked him in the first Republican debate. Looks like the MFM hasn't learned.
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (VfYeS)
Regardless of where the polls currently stand, Trump is still the underdog. A tie is a loss for Trump and a win for Clinton.
Posted by: Hollowpoint
****
Sorry. Don't agree. I think you have it backwards.
Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (hVdx9)
If - and I mean IF - Trump sets down with his trainers and corner men, watches the fight film, and learns where he wasted energy and missed opportunities, he could knock her out. I think this was a draw. And I think the challenger will be drooling for the rematch.
Posted by: Vertov at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (Aam1A)
Hillary couldn't knock out Trump. Her job was to prove that he was totally unfit to be president. She didn't do that. Instead, she only highlighted policy differences. Trump got to stand as an equal on the stage and that's bad news for Hillary going forward.
Trump missed some golden opportunities to bring up illegal immigration, the Clinton Foundation and Pay for Play. He got flummoxed on his taxes and was weak on the racial question when he could have simply said the best way to beat racism is with JOBS! However, none of these made him look "unfit" to be president as Hillary is trying to convince everyone.
Lester Holt was a totally biased moderator. He constantly went after Trump for clarification and only once after Hillary. He tried to nail Trump on the Hillary looks issue and asked Hillary nothing even close to that hard a question. The mainstream media will be very happy with Lester's performance tonight.
Posted by: Dale at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (3SUJT)
Posted by: Tofer732 at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (PJMpr)
Posted by: markytom at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (G1meD)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (/tuJf)
Already the Hillary bots are saying that Lester HAD to interrupt Trump because he was so WRONG all of the time.
There's and excuse for all sorts of asshatery if you are a true believer, apparently.
Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (cm1Bl)
I didn't see the debate. What did he say?
The fact is that all threats from the arab/persian/muslim world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields. And the correct way of dealing with Iraq would have been, after that very successful lightning invasion and destruction of Iraqi forces, to take the oil fields and leave the iraqis to run around in the desert stabbing each other in the ass, as arabs are wont to do.
I hope that that's what Trump said because that is the correct answer and the only way to address the threats from the APM world. So long as the arabs and persians have control of the gulf oil fields (that they stole in the forced nationalizations of the mid 20th century - STOLE) they will remain serious threats to all of civilization. That is a simple fact.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (zc3Db)
Debates are a negative device. Passionate followers chew over every word said and every expression, looking for a mistake. The question for Trump was: did he sound like an out-of-control lunatic. No? Then don't fuss too much.
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (J8/9G)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (uI8Pr)
I hate that Trump doesn't explain his positions better, but he clearly thinks it's more important to fill airtime and it's worked for him so far.
Hillary does that MMA thing of fake smiling when your opponent lands a good shot to pretend it's no big deal.
Posted by: schizoid at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (I80+E)
Posted by: rexbatt at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (woA40)
Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (5v4w4)
Posted by: Hamarabe at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (Dv14z)
It might be a path for the young unproven to show that he is as acceptable as the experienced pro.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (sdi6R)
Wait. She's been having coughing fits since 2005, repeated falls, a major concussion, wore weird glasses for 6 months, hematoma, needed help with stairs, and she collapsed like a sack of rotted potatoes on camera, and this was all part of a grand strategy? A ruse? Because that would help her become President?
You're going to need to shore that one up a bit. Not seeing the vision.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)
Of course, Holt comes back with the stupid birther questions.
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (S6Pax)
The key for me to this debate is would Donald be able to paint and draw Hillary out as a Left wing Radical and a repeat of Buraq Ohama. He didn't come close.
None of Hillary's responses were radical; they were measured, even handed, well researched, well rehearsed and never inflammatory like you would see from Obama.
If Trump was a true conservative, he would have known where to hit her in her radical views, but he is not anything close to being a conservative; he is blowhard blue-collar leftie at hear - so he couldn't do it.
Except for some of his criticism of the Iran Deal, he didn't lay a glove on her.
She hit him badly on his lack of tax disclosure, making him instead of her seem like the slimy one (instead of her) and casting him as the one with something to hide.
Trump's stupid boasts about his great business empire had no substance, and so Hillary was even able to cast doubt on his business acumen.
Trump should have gone after Obama's Leftist and unconstitutional policies in detail and forced Hillary to defend them, but he is a lazy spoiled brat and couldn't be bothered to do his homework.
But the real issue was would Hillary be Obama II. Trump, to nail down the conservative vote, had to show Hillary's leftist views would be a definite threat to the nation and how his much more conservative approach would really 'make America Great again". But except his lazy "bring back Law and Order" slogan, there was nothing conservative he said to hang your hat on.
It was Hillary with her attack on his NATO comments and his comments on giving the Saudi's and Japan nukes that made Donald seem like loose cannon wild Leftist nut job instead of herself.
Time and again she went out of her way to say things like she would defend our allies, defend American interests, and stand up to bullies. Things that were nearly impossible for anyone to get Obama ever to say. She seemingly sought to reassure the middle and even the right that her Administration would not be Obama II.
Furthermore, Hillary physical appearance was much stronger than I anticipated, and Trump was not able to exploit her health problems even though he tried.
Posted by: Unsk at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (DUgBb)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (c6/9Q)
But on the other hand, could Hillary's "health problems" have been a deliberate rope-a-dope strategy against Trump? As in, she was faking it? Just throwing that out there.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable
Have another look at the 911 video. All dope, no rope.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iWW0H)
Trump has a great point, something I was arguing for at the time. But I do wish he would take the time to explain it.
The oil reserves in Iraq are one of greatest concentrations of wealth in the world. As soon as we took possession of it, we should have placed it in a trust and used the proceeds to cover 100% of the costs of the coalition in occupying and pacifying and standing up a new government in Iraq. It is ludicrous that the US taxpayer footed the bill for all that. How incredibly frustrating it was to watch all that US treasure pissed down a creek.
Structured and defined properly, such a trust would NOT have violated the Geneva Convention.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (bMG0w)
Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (cm1Bl)
She looked 1,000 times better than 9/11 - she's a woman, it counted and she looked very good, still can't stand her.
Posted by: firehorse at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (//TVq)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (tWFOf)
Posted by: t-bird at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (ZxmMG)
Trump has made a point of attacking media bias against him. By being a lot more passive in this debate and letting the moderator join Hillary's offensive against him, he demonstrates that as a fact.
He will be able to hammer at that in the next debates.
This would also jibe well with the theories that I've heard that he "act nice" to appear Presidential (this time) AND that he is holding back his good stuff for the future.
Maybe wishful thinking, but this performance was weak compared to the the moves his campaign has made over the last month
Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (swEzU)
Yes. There was one attempted sound bite she liked a lot, and repeated. It had the word "trump" in it, but even with the repetition I can't remember what it was, so I'm guessing it wasn't as catchy as she and her handlers thought.
"Trumped up trickle down economics". Expect her MSM asskissers to try to make it fly, but it'll have no legs.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: Its all good at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (WLd2b)
1) Fighting Isis all her life (??)
2) Not calling out Lester Holt more generally
3) Not putting more pressure on Hillary.
Maybe a missed opportunity. Or maybe conservatives fantasize about decisive battle too much. The war continues.
Posted by: trev006 at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (8BJD/)
Of course, Holt comes back with the stupid birther questions.
Posted by: Revenant
Funny, how that seemed so scripted.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (S6Pax)
Hope you are right, I just ordered it from Amazon!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (wCEn4)
another professor, care to introduce yourself ?
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (5v4w4)
Inferring, my ass.
She said everyone is racist. Flat out.
Bitch said it with a straight face, too.
Projecting, I'm sure. And passionately.
Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (cm1Bl)
Hillary's talking about hacking and a special prosecutor was a nice gift.
Posted by: MikeN at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (o/eHL)
as I thought it was pretty close to even, and I don't necessarily think he did all that great.
This certainly wasn't Romney's first debate which was an absolute knockout. But, it sounds like he certainly didn't lose any ground.
Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (F5hTl)
Posted by: mrp
Questioning Barky's eligibility was the only decent thing the Clinton campaign did in 2008. It was Clinton's only legitimate point back then.
And Barky has still NEVER shown anything that determined that he is eligible to hold the office ... because he most likely isn't. Sheriff Joe's posse did a great investigation of that laughable jpeg he offered as a birth certificate.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (vBpiM)
Posted by: batterup at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (mtGE/)
Posted by: Deplorable LASue at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (wgFcF)
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Bush stunk as well and still won. We too easily accept debates as game changers because that's what the media wants us to believe so we'll watch it and feed their ratings.
One thing to note, Reagan was already ahead of Carter by the time he made that "There you go again" line.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (5JBUT)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: Naes at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (zu88C
Yeah, the high road did not get him this far.
I think he may go with a Ban on style the next time.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (XGrlW)
She's the best they've got.
He's what we got stuck with (no offense, but for a lot of us it is true).
Using the boxing metaphor, no knockouts tonight.
Trump was busy swinging at the ref ( sometimes rightfully so) and missed Hellary dropping her gloves and jutting her maw at him. So sad.
So now the match gets judged by the same refs...
Media will say Hellary won.
Trump better act like an athlete and watch the tape, see where he failed.
Did he lose? Idunno.
But he could have won.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: vivi at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (11H2y)
Bitch said it with a straight face, too.
Projecting, I'm sure. And passionately.
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well, we know that the witch, Obola, and pretty much all other Demonrats are racist, so why is this a surprise?
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (Oan6c)
Posted by: YatYas
She called everyone including herself a racist.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (iWW0H)
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (qUNWi)
And I think there is something to say for letting someone keep digging a hole for themselves if they don't want to stop.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (S6Pax)
Funny to read people trying to justify his bad performance.
He flat out lost.
Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (tWFOf)
Direction of America
Securing America
Achieving Prosperity
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (uI8Pr)
I am convinced that was the price to get Europe to forgive Iraq's debts. Hussein had huge debt built up and when we took over we wanted the new Iraq free from his dictatorship to start out fresh. I'm certain that Europe said "OK but you pay for rebuilding since we're eating this cost (and we get a shot at the oil now baby!")
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (39g3+)
Wait. She's been having coughing fits since 2005, repeated falls, a major concussion, wore weird glasses for 6 months, hematoma, needed help with stairs, and she collapsed like a sack of rotted potatoes on camera, and this was all part of a grand strategy? A ruse? Because that would help her become President?
You're going to need to shore that one up a bit. Not seeing the vision.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)
Like I said, I was just throwing that out there to chew on. She didn't cough or stumble a bit tonight. She seemed completely in control.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (ar2KI)
Now before you all pounce on me -- and personally, I've got a fairly thick skin, so that doesn't upset me -- I am speaking strictly as a publicist. Publicity is my profession. My job is to make people look and sound better. Hillary prepped for this and just did a better job overall handling the debate. That doesn't mean I agree with her or her policies. I do not. But sometimes, we have to look at these things -- or at least try to -- as objectively as possible. He went off on numerous tangents, couldn't tie the thoughts together, and I think the audience got lost. He'll need to really do his homework for the next debate if he wants to beat her.
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (q7eWh)
She did, didn't she? Maybe that's Hillary's "global test". Trump can definitely use that against Clinton's faction of the Left.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (c6/9Q)
You, sir, are a professional. A consumate professional.
Are you, by chance, a journalist?
Do you happen to have a blog?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (s/vC3)
Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (vBpiM)
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Trump has his base, he needs to peel away the mushy middle. I'm pretty sure all this requires of Trump is to not look or act insane.
How did Luntz's dunces rate it BTW? The undecideds were still leaning towards Trump midway through last i checked.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (5JBUT)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (KRwzj)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (Om16U)
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Did someone make new rules?
Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: Esch at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (m75mf)
Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (ar2KI)
You did get to learn what to call a camel with 3 humps.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (bMG0w)
Posted by: TKYC at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (Enheb)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (uI8Pr)
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (5v4w4)
"implying".
You infer from what the speaker implies.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (zc3Db)
We must've watched two different events, then.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (C9pBZ)
I knew that the fix was in as soon as GOP Lester said the questions hadn't been seen by anyone!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble
The questions had been kept in a mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnalls porch.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (IqV8l)
Lester, let me get this straight. Hillary engineered the sluts-and-nuts attack against women who claimed her husband sexually assaulted or harassed them. In court she savaged a little girl rape survivor as a favor to a friend. Heck, during her time in the Senate her female staffers got paid less than her male staffers and you're saying I hate women because I called a woman ugly?
Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (hVdx9)
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She didn't have to prep for this, she got the questions ahead of time. Guaranteed. Completely and disgustingly rigged.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (5JBUT)
probably the stupid-ist dipsh*t comment I've ever read--anywhere, any time
Posted by: Billy Occam at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (/542q)
Because Kerry and Gore knocked themselves out which Hilllary, this time, didn't.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (6FqZa)
(hope all the professors posting here are reading this...to take back to the mother ship)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (c6/9Q)
Trump was unprepared and missed many great opportunities to make Hillary look bad and put her on the defensive. Instead, he wasted time being defensive when he didn't even need to be defend himself. His pleas to "ask Sean Hannity" were cringe worthy.
I think he'll be more prepared next time.
Meanwhile, you Morons need to give me drinking tips. I may need to take up the sport.
Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (nvMvs)
Posted by: Marc at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (C2JRY)
is racist. That raising taxes will create jobs and also she is the
status quo President.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (uI8Pr)
I must be getting old... all I remember is calling me racist.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (P/kVC)
I feel a little better after reading Ace's comments, and yeah, this was just the first of 3. Really want to see him kneecap her in the next ones. Am I right or was there ZERO discussion of the Supreme Court? He'd missed another low hanging curve when she started in on her gungrabber talking points...
Aaaahhhhhh... fukkit I am just ready for SMOD. Glad this painful night is over. Maybe he just needed to get a few pops in the face in a 1 on 1 debate to convince him he needs to go into these with a *plan* just like he would if he was building a new hotel. Have her on the ropes halfway through and with more hammering blows waiting in reserve - like finishing ahead of schedule and under budget.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (cPdbv)
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (sdi6R
Teresa Barnwell.
That is all.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (XGrlW)
Posted by: davidt at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (XoldI)
Now before you all pounce on me -- and personally, I've got a fairly thick skin, so that doesn't upset me -- I am speaking strictly as a publicist. Publicity is my profession. My job is to make people look and sound better. Hillary prepped for this and just did a better job overall handling the debate. That doesn't mean I agree with her or her policies. I do not. But sometimes, we have to look at these things -- or at least try to -- as objectively as possible. He went off on numerous tangents, couldn't tie the thoughts together, and I think the audience got lost. He'll need to really do his homework for the next debate if he wants to beat her.
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (q7eWh)
I've been a Trump supporter from early on, and I agree with your assessment.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (ar2KI)
Posted by: Its all good at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (WLd2b)
Word.
Posted by: Mondale '84 Campaign at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (vBeA5)
I'd forgotten what a prominent role Ace had in Return of the Jedi.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (nvMvs)
Smug grin, yes, during the first part. But did you see the teeth-only rictus at the end? I think the batteries were going.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (iMxBJ)
The whole strategy was to get under his skin and provoke an outburst of temper that would prove his insanity and general unfitness. Didn't happen.
She was her usual screechy self, who no one likes.
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (Z8DIA)
That's the comforting part in this. Put that together with her being rude and condescending, and maybe she doesn't gain anything.
One concern is that her polls dropped in part, I think, because of her fainting episode. From what I saw, she came across as doing OK, healthwise. If anything, Trump was sniffling a bit. So the LIVs might get the impression she's fine, after all.
I basically concur with Ace on Trump's performance, but I would add a few things:
1) Hillary was in denial that NAFTA has hurt, and that may play VERY poorly in the battleground states
2) Hillary was actually painting a picture of everything being kind of wonderful and happy in the black community. Could that help Trump with blacks?
3) Moderator went into heavy Candy Crowley mode, and Trump did not defer like a puppy the way Romney did.
Overall, Trump missed many opportunities to really hurt Hillary, and got caught up in some stuff that he needed to scrape off more quickly, and maybe he just has some bad advice on that. But on that score, he was respectful, and she was definitely NOT. We'll see if there's a double standard on that.
It didn't seem decisive to me, but it's hard to tell how Independents - who are the only ones that matter - will respond to all that went on. Different people will pick up on different things. Hillary tried a new zinger that sounded completely lame. She took the low road on some things (Trump didn't go there), and we'll see if she gets away with it. Trump took some swipes, and we'll see if they resonated.
Hillary seemed validated - nothing much on how much of a criminal she is, nothing revealing about her health issues. that could help her. Trump didn't disqualify himself with anything, i don't think. He hung in there. I don't know if he helped himself, but he probably didn't hurt himself much, if at all, either.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (EnK/R)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (39g3+)
That was another mistake. Why should iraq have benefited from becoming a threat to us? The "new" iraq was just iraq and should not have gotten any relief from debts that it accrued, in addition to having the oil fields retaken from them.
Bush totally fucked up just about everything in that war, which was won so quickly it was one for the history books.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (vBpiM)
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I just looked at his twitter feed...you are right, Moore is not pleased. That is why I am getting the "punt" feeling about this debate. It is clear they did not make Trump look like "Hitler"...who knows.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: Its all good at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (WLd2b)
Something like using a rusty spoon to remove my own gall bladder and replacing it with an angry squirrel before sewing up the wound and watching to see how long it takes to chew its way out.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (KRwzj)
Hillary has an obvious health problem - can't drink water, rapid blinking, looked wobbly after debate.
Hillary was unlikable and strident.
Hillary obviously knew what the questions were ahead of time.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (Om16U)
Yuge contributions. That benefited minorities. And fat women.
That reminds me. The line about who hacked the DNC. Could have been some four hundred pound person laying in their bed.
He must not care about the four hundred pound plus vote.
I'm sure Hillary does. She's the bees knees.
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (4bjXi)
We didn't have the "interwebs" back then.
I, however, was a member of "Appletalk" (which became AOL, which disappeariated).
That required a 4800 baud modem.
Posted by: deplorable jwb7605 at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (DofIg)
Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (/O5Ax)
Half of Europe's political and financial elites were compromised in the Oil-for-food scandal, the biggest financial scandal in history, bigger even than the Clinton Foundation.
We have been indulging the European financial elites for many years. Few understand even now how much saving European financial institutions from their own crappy due diligence in purchasing US mortgage bonds (which bore no USGov guarantees, by the way) was a motivating factor in the way the bailout was undertaken.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: Zombie Ike Turner at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (It7Oy)
Wait. She's been having coughing fits since 2005, repeated falls, a major concussion, wore weird glasses for 6 months, hematoma, needed help with stairs, and she collapsed like a sack of rotted potatoes on camera, and this was all part of a grand strategy? A ruse? Because that would help her become President?
You're going to need to shore that one up a bit. Not seeing the vision.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)
Like I said, I was just throwing that out there to chew on. She didn't cough or stumble a bit tonight. She seemed completely in control.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (sdi6R)
Her eyes were doing the crazy thing again tonight....Moving, but not always in tandem...
Posted by: LA ette, lakeside lurker at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (Xw3uA)
Like Ace alluded to and what kissed me off was how obvious it was Lester Holt was leading and driving the narrative for Hillary to follow.
Birds of a feather and all that shit.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (XGrlW)
Posted by: Emily at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (QtkD6)
So nicely creased pants matter most?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: FOAF at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (p0JMG)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (ODkrH)
Posted by: Naes at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (Ypc8j)
OK - now THAT made me smile and I can go to bed happy.
Posted by: moronhorde minion at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (cPdbv)
How many troops you reckon it would take to occupy the Iraqi oil fields and export facilities? For decades mind you. No way would the public ever support that.
I also think putting an armed force in the middle of the Middle East to take the oil would likely result in the same thing that happened in Iran decades ago when we supported the Brits and their claim on Iranian oil. Short version, hasn't worked out that well.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: Marc at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (C2JRY)
Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (F5hTl)
Posted by: Texas Zombie at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (SUtNI)
Hillary's facial expressions were only two: "I'm uncomfortable" or that mean smile that said "I'm about to stab you with a pre-planned zinger!"
On the body language level, she was unlikeable.
Meanwhile, on that same level, Trump refuted the "crazy" level.
Everyone heavily discounts what politicians actually say, so this stuff matters to a general audience.
Posted by: Piercello at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (756sI)
Majority, hell, she said ALL Americans are racist.
Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (/O5Ax)
So go ask your aunt or cousin or random friend who usually doesn't follow this stuff but happened to be near a TV when it happened.
Posted by: The Governor at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (Ib5sz)
I don't pretend to know what should or should not occur in these things, and honestly, I don't think anybody does until reliable public opinion polls can be taken.
Should Trump attack? Should he be human? Does Hillory look good or bad when SHE attacks?
Hell if I know. I do want as objective a report as I can get though, so I appreciate the time and effort you put into it.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (Pz4pT)
Trump didn't study, and he had no game plan.
Only issue he did well on was Trade.
And he was the one who seemed tired at the end, not Hillary.
This will be the last time GOP primary voters choose someone who "wings it."
Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (tWFOf)
- Sassy
- Vertov
Not so much Its all good or Unsk (on opposite sides).
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: LA ette, lakeside lurker at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (Xw3uA)
I saw that too. Subtler than in that one video, but present. Seemed like the left one (her left, not ours) was doing what it was supposed to, and the right one was going walkabout from time to time.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (iMxBJ)
*Reminding everyone that she's strongly anti-gun and pro gun control
*Calling the Iran Deal a great thing for America
*Letting Trump camp himself firmly on the side of Law and Order and supporting the police. That was a Nixon '68 winner.
*Calling Americans prejudiced while Chicago bleeds was a bit much. Gang warfare in Chicago and in many of our Dem-controlled inner cities is a disgrace. Inner city youth need jobs and a good education and the Dems are not delivering.
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: freaked at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (BO/km)
I'm sure Hillary does. She's the bees knees.
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (4bjXi)
Michael Moore & GRRRRRRMartin thought that line was very hurtful indeed.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (Om16U)
About what I expected, then.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Deplorable Guy at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (vyqqu)
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (VjPX+)
I'm sure Hillary does. She's the bees knees.
Posted by: Denny Crane!
That was a YUGE mistake! YUGE!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (S6Pax)
Unfortunately, the commentary makes it seem that he might have reacted like a rabid puppy (defiant but ineffectual).
I'm hoping that any remaining swing voters decide to ignore the debate and punish the biased media like they did after the Dan Rather thing.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (egK2C)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (/tuJf)
Please. Occupying oil fields is simple work. No one lives there. It's harder, more dangerous and more expensive to occupy three blocks of a city than 5 square miles of oil fields.
And we had to be around the oil fields, anyway. The cost of us securing them is paid for by the oil.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Thomas Boyle at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (EetFS)
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (q7eWh)
To most of the people watching who might change or crystallize their vote, this was not an argument or debate between two people. Both the Beast and Trump were doing different things, to somewhat different audiences
Trump's Task was to introduce himself ( or re-intro himself ) to millions of people who hadn't seen his show yet, or only caught bits of it. He had to be assertive but not a bully; reasonable but not squishy.
He did fine. She sounded like a squeeze-box needing oiling
Posted by: Billy Occam at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (/542q)
the Oil-for-food scandal, the biggest financial scandal in history,
bigger even than the Clinton Foundation.
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Holy shit. I completely forgot about the Oil-for-food scandal. Wow. That was horrible.
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (3DSAh)
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One thing I'll give Trump credit for is that he does change tactics when he sees the current approach not working. Now that he knows what to expect he can better prepare. The moderators and Hillary are nothing if not predictable.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (5JBUT)
ISIS has been taking the oil, no problem. It seems we could certainly set something up, which of course might be opposed by those used to screwing America on everything ... but screw them. A trust? idk ... seems we are more able to do it than ISIS, just too timid.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (n6rAX)
Posted by: Tyler Mason at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (HaFPF)
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (JBggj)
Notice how quickly Holt steered discussion away from that point.
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: LawLurker at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (b2PbZ)
Somebody said before the debate that Trump was going to use a
rope-a-dope strategy. Maybe he made her overconfident tonight, and will
come out guns blazing in the next debate. I can hope, anyway.
Man, if I had a dime for every time I'd heard the rope-a-dope plan, I'd have quite a few dimes.
Posted by: Anachronda at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (Oi5b2)
She was her usual screechy self, who no one likes.
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (Z8DIA)
You must not know any liberals.
They love her smirking condescension, just as they love Obama's surreptitious middle finger scratching.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (sdi6R)
This debate.
If he wants to win the next debate he has to do better.
Posted by: ArthurK at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (h53OH)
Right. He'll have to both drop a deuce AND do a sack dance afterwards
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (CehCK)
Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (tWFOf)
I wish I believed that.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (egK2C)
Your concerns are noted, however...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: mrp
I think that was Hillary's biggest unforced mistake. She really bungled that. That whole exchange went completely against type, and I think that Trump won that.
She looked stupid and bad.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (S6Pax)
People who didn't watch the debate, and still vote, will make their choices on what they see and hear in the media, and what they hear from their friends and associates.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (s/vC3)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (KRwzj)
Promises promises.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (Pz4pT)
Vouchers for everyone!
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (It7Oy)
I also think putting an armed force in the middle of the Middle East to take the oil would likely result in the same thing that happened in Iran decades ago when we supported the Brits and their claim on Iranian oil. Short version, hasn't worked out that well.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (/tuJf)
Huh? We already occupied the entire country, including the oil fields, with responsibilities for some sections to our partners, like the Brits in the south.
The question is purely one of what bank accounts the proceeds of oil sales should have gone into.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (egK2C)
Not that its likely to matter if Trump loses (apologies for quoting myself).
Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (egK2C)
Emails: not a mistake. Purposeful. Your staff Pleading the fifth. Disgraceful. The country thinks so too.
Go to her website. She will tell you how she's going to fight Isis. General MacArthur wouldn't approve.
That's why you've been fighting Isis all your adult life. (This one made me lol)
True she has experience. But it's all bad. Our country cannot endure another four years of her experience.
Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (XxCCS)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (HBU7W)
In boxing, the killer instinct is the ability to hit a weakened opponent and keep hitting them until the bell rings or the referee calls a stop. This means you keep at them until they're down and done. Most importantly, you want to hit them. You want to hurt them. You want to win.
Chelsea Clinton, Princess In Waiting, needs her feelings hurt. She grows rich from her parents' corruption and--as an officer in the Clinton Foundation--knows full well what her parents are, what they're willing to do to take and hold power. To hell with kindness. To hell with Chelsea Clinton's feelings. Hit Hillary so hard her grandchildren feel the breeze.
Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (tuvxV)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (gVpIT)
Barring major scandal, it is a sentiment that will be shared by the majority of voters come November. An outcome that could easily have been avoided, but Idiocracy arrived ahead of schedule.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (KRwzj)
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (JBggj)
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Trump sort of addressed the Dems failure in "their" cities a couple or three times but never clearly. Perhaps he can work that in better on the racism and/or police issues in one of the future debates.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:29 PM (NUqwG)
Phrases that will exist only on the internet and NEVER appear on an MSM site!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:29 PM (wCEn4)
But Barky deserves a lot of blame for allowing Maliki to happen.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:29 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: firehorse at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (//TVq)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (Om16U)
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And the police!
Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (tWFOf)
Hence why Michael Moore is upset about Hillary's performance tonight. One thing he probably does know a lot about is internal labor union politics in Michigan and Wisconsin, and whatever other union / mobster dive he has passed out in over the years.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (KhJh8)
but noooooo "you can't throw Bjork in the volcano" they said, "that's mean" they said.
now look where we are.
Posted by: Shoey at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (ar2KI)
You did get to learn what to call a camel with 3 humps.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (bMG0w)
The DMV scene was the most hilarious part of the whole movie.
Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (5v4w4)
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (Om16U)
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And the drug laws and incarceration and private prisons...
Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (NUqwG)
Please. We aren't talking about occupying oil fields in Texas. We are talking about Iraq which is now a target for jihadists throughout the ME and not just ISIS.
They attack our troops when they are sitting inside our armed bases and you think they wouldn't be constantly attacking the troops in oil fields? And of course you assume the public who couldn't get our troops out of Iraq fast enough would go along with that? Sure.
If you aren't aware, the very first thing our CIA did after their founding was to help the Brits enforce the deal they had with Iran to work their oil fields in a piece of the action. This led to the overthrow of the elected Iranian government, the installation of the Shah and you probably know the rest.
But sure, the current jihadis who are largely financed by the same Iran wouldn't mind at all if we took the oil from a Muslim country.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (/tuJf)
the Oil-for-food scandal,
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Oil for palaces.
Posted by: Storming Norman at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (Z58Xa)
Chelsea and her ilk are effectively stealing money from my kids . The hell with her feelings!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (wCEn4)
Look for that.
Posted by: davedaveadavarf at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (0+srV)
Posted by: Jen the original at September 26, 2016 11:32 PM (dk7nS)
He did fine. She sounded like a squeeze-box needing oiling"
Spot on. Especially in first third, after which many tuned out.
Large audience in the first third, so reports that Trump got his ass kicked won't fly.
Anti-Trump topics like Birtherism are now played in future debates.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:33 PM (bQxkN)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 26, 2016 11:33 PM (PtOP4)
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(Hardly the first thing the CIA did.)
That worked well for 19 years or 26 depending on what you count (oil shock/nationalization or Khomeini). Better than any of our more recent policies.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:34 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:34 PM (F5hTl)
What about the RAVE act? Who were the big drug warriors? Really, check the wiki on the RAVE act and it's sponsors.
Posted by: davedaveadavarf at September 26, 2016 11:35 PM (0+srV)
Please give me your scoring criteria.
She looked somewhere between a honey-baked ham and a pot roast in the slow cooker several hours beyond instructions.
And I am a former debater from a place where these things are measured quantitatively.
Please help me figure your calculus, sir.
Posted by: Thomas Boyle at September 26, 2016 11:36 PM (EetFS)
Oh and Hillary is again getting away with crowd reaction.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:36 PM (bMG0w)
Didn't know Mark Cuban was such a douche. But it's not like I ever paid any attention to him.
Why on Earth do the networks think we care about what these idiots think?
As a 60 y/o farmer/historian I'm less than impressed when some 30 yo media idiot tells me their profound thoughts.
Posted by: Farmer at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (/tuJf)
Without the oil fields most of the jihadis are neutered. The oil fields are the ONLY source of wealth, power and influence that the arab/persian/muslim world has - and the APM world only got them by stealing them from Western companies. They stole those fields. Nothing wrong with us taking them back. And, in a war, the most important strategy you can employ is to cut off the source of threat from the enemy. The oil fields are the genesis of all threats from the APM world, from many different angles - money, political power, economic power, ... The arabs proved that they viewed oil as a weapon as far back as the 70s. They are at war with us and their weapon needs to be taken from them. That is just War 101.
And occupying oil fields is not difficult work compared to occupying or securing anything else in the world. Oil is the world's lifeblood. It would be appropriate that we treated it that way.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (5JBUT)
Posted by: Justamom at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (sVnbw)
A hundred times this. Brutal to hear him talking about his company.
He had some good moments, though. I think it was a wash.
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (Iy6JT)
i don't know mayhaps its the MAkers Mark talking now. Either way I feel a great disturbance in teh Force after watching the debate.
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX)
Posted by: Gem at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (uaHyk)
Working on your talking point? That's the second time you've made the same comment.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (bMG0w)
The onus will be on Trump after this debate. His advisors are just not doing him any favours by letting the man wing it. It may have worked once or twice in his favour, and he got lucky -- but it's not a strategy for winning the White House. Whether he's lazy, or incapable of being disciplined enough to study his material and properly prepare for a debate of this nature, who knows. But, it was a poor performance on his part, and his advisors, if they're worth anything, will be having a come-to-Jesus talk with their boss.
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (q7eWh)
--Day 1:
"Oh I like Trump, he's strong. And I love his casinos!"Day 2:"Oh my goodness! I just heard that Chelea's child hugged her mommy and daddy! I gotta vote for Hillary!". . . . .
Election Day:OMG, who do I choose?Day after Election Day:When was I supposed to vote again?
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:40 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (zc3Db)
Tweak the RoE so OUR troops are not always at risk, and you'd see very defensible oilfield!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:40 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (q7eWh)
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Or maybe he wasn't winging it. That might be as good as it gets.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX)
Working on your talking point? That's the second time you've made the same comment
Glad you were paying attention then.
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (+NedX)
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:40 PM (wCEn4)
Absolutely.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:34 PM (F5hTl)
Sorry,but she is not going to be able to keep hitting him on this stuff in the debates to come.Its out of the way now and between the two she looked like the one willing to get into the gutter.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (PtOP4)
Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 26, 2016 11:42 PM (6qmBU)
My tax returns for your 30,000 emails!
Keep repeating this at every Trump rally.
Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:42 PM (XxCCS)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:44 PM (c6/9Q)
Trump's got one more chance to flay her alive!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:45 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: JuJuBee at September 26, 2016 11:46 PM (JAvsW)
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:47 PM (q7eWh)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:48 PM (bQxkN)
Did you think this election would be easy? The left knows what's at stake and will fight and kill to win it. There isn't going to be a grand moment of catharsis which turns the tide. Just do your part and VOTE
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at September 26, 2016 11:49 PM (Iy6JT)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:49 PM (uI8Pr)
My tax returns for your 30,000 emails!
She can dodge that too easily.If the subject is tax returns he should fire back about her releasing her Wall Street speeches because her tax plan is basically taxing the rich.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 26, 2016 11:50 PM (PtOP4)
Trump survived. He is winning the majority of the instant right And left online polls.
Not good optics for Hillary.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:52 PM (XGrlW)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:52 PM (uI8Pr)
You left out a few things. One of those things is that when the Iranians were unable to come to an agreement with the Brits to buy back the oil fields, the Iranians just tried to take them.
THAT is what led to us helping the Brits toss out the Iranian govt.
Peanut Carter tried to right what he felt was a wrong, and the thanks we got for it?
Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:52 PM (hVdx9)
I'VVVE spent ALLLL my life WORKING for CHILDDDREN!
WTF, what has she ever done specifically for children?
Posted by: Farmer at September 26, 2016 11:53 PM (o/90i)
i don't know mayhaps its the MAkers Mark talking now. Either way I feel a great disturbance in teh Force after watching the debate.
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX
Undecided are in 10% max and in the single digits this race at this point.
Nice effort
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:55 PM (XGrlW)
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:44 PM (c6/9Q)
True. That's a good point.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:56 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:56 PM (/O5Ax)
Posted by: Just Because at September 26, 2016 11:56 PM (kQnIT)
Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:57 PM (/O5Ax)
Posted by: FOAF at September 26, 2016 11:58 PM (p0JMG)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:59 PM (bMG0w)
Emails: not a mistake. Purposeful. Your staff Pleading the fifth. Disgraceful. The country thinks so too.
Go to her website. She will tell you how she's going to fight Isis. General MacArthur wouldn't approve.
That's why you've been fighting Isis all your adult life. (This one made me lol)
True she has experience. But it's all bad. Our country cannot endure another four years of her experience.
Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (XxCCS)
You know, he DID have some good ones!
Another "second thought" I'm having is how Hillary and the moderator were clearly ganging up on Trump in the second half, and they were really dipping into the dirt. Trump didn't let them get away with it. And that last question was an idiotic "WTF?"
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:00 AM (EnK/R)
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 27, 2016 12:04 AM (Ndje9)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:05 AM (bQxkN)
Posted by: Guido911 at September 27, 2016 12:07 AM (Q0d1T)
No questions about Benghazi. None about classified emails.
A "fine job"
Uh huh.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 27, 2016 12:07 AM (H6376)
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:09 AM (bQxkN)
Encouraging words!
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:10 AM (EnK/R)
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Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 27, 2016 12:07 AM (H6376)
Old news, that Megyn Kelly is destined for CNN. Since Republican debate #1.
I watched FBN, and am glad of it. Switched over to Fox - for Hannity - when Cavuto started schmoozing with asshole Cuban. Also a good move.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:12 AM (EnK/R)
It will be a close election, but Trump has to bring at least some undecided college educated voters into his camp. Tonight I'm guessing he failed.
Posted by: Doug at September 27, 2016 12:14 AM (3RVQo)
Agreed, Hillary gave no reason to vote for her.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:14 AM (bQxkN)
Not a good performance for Trump. When his family came up on stage afterwards, they all looked like they were attending a funeral, and perhaps they were, of his presidential bid.
Posted by: JuJuBee at September 26, 2016 11:46 PM (JAvsW)
Posted by: Doug at September 27, 2016 12:15 AM (3RVQo)
If he hits her on all her weaknesses in 1st debate, the idiot, no attention span public will forget all about it all within weeks. Then, if he brings it all up again in the 2nd and 3rd debates, Hillary and the media will accuse him of belaboring the point and will make him look bad.
If he is smart and planning this out, he is waiting to take her out in the 3rd debate, right before the election, when everything will still be fresh in every voter's mind before they go vote.
I am sure he and his campaign have a plan. He's playing the long game. May have lost the battle tonight, but he's not trying to win the battle, he's trying to win the election.
We'll see how things play out...
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 27, 2016 12:20 AM (7A4qQ)
Trump missed lots of opportunities to hit Hillary hard on her scandals, but I don't think he understands them well enough to sound like he knows what he's talking about when he brings them up, so if she has a prepared answer on any of them (and I assume she does on all of them), she can deflect and make him sound like he's talking out of his ass (as she did a bit in this debate).
Would be nice to have somebody on stage talk about conservatism at a national presidential debate, but I guess the way you advance conservatism in 2016 is by purging it from the national political conversation for 4-8 years. It's the only way, you guys.
Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 12:20 AM (xf3KI)
Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2016 12:23 AM (eLvFT)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 12:28 AM (bWnU+)
Posted by: James at September 27, 2016 12:29 AM (jxw6R)
Posted by: Turner at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (WLd2b)
My husband was gonna not vote, watched, now voting Trump. He said Trump dominated and was stable and impressive. I watched football. My Bernie friends on Twitter also said Trump killed it.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 12:30 AM (ru2SK)
His main message was that our government has been run by idiots for too long and someone should go in and run it like a successful business.
We'll see which message wins votes.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 27, 2016 12:31 AM (GzDYP)
Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 12:20 AM
ROTFLMAO
TY for a good laugh.
Posted by: Farmer at September 27, 2016 12:35 AM (o/90i)
My husband was gonna not vote, watched, now voting Trump. He said Trump dominated and was stable and impressive. I watched football. My Bernie friends on Twitter also said Trump killed it.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 12:30 AM (ru2SK)
Wow. Maybe Gingrich isn't being just a cheerleader.
Unfortunately, another commenter said their LIV spouse (a woman) thought Trump sounded like a child, vs Hillary the adult. Maybe it varies by the individual. Maybe Trump's style just appeals more to guys. We'll see!
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:38 AM (EnK/R)
He did not disagree.
All he could say was "We settled that lawsuit with no admission of guilt."
Posted by: Sargevining at September 27, 2016 12:39 AM (QljBG)
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:40 AM (EnK/R)
Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2016 12:43 AM (9Xu0X)
My husband was gonna not vote, watched, now voting Trump. He said Trump dominated and was stable and impressive. I watched football. My Bernie friends on Twitter also said Trump killed it.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 12:30 AM (ru2SK)
Interesting. I've been a Trump supporter from early in the primaries and I was disappointed tonight. Objectively I have to say Hillary won; not that that's going to change my mind or anything.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:45 AM (sdi6R)
Trump can only improve. Hillary and the media showed their cards.
I think Kellyanne Conway may get a scolding from Trumps children as they did not look to pleased.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 12:47 AM (XGrlW)
Trump just needed to avoid seeming like some sort of loon who's unfit to be President. He did that.
Advantage: Trump.
Posted by: The Deplorable Prothonotary Warbler at September 27, 2016 12:47 AM (0OG8D)
Then painted Trump as a guy who doesn't care about the little guy like he does, as long as the little guy on Shark Tank is sharing his profits with the world or something, reinventing entepreneurship or something, blah, blah, blah.
Lol.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 27, 2016 12:48 AM (GzDYP)
Though I imagine that'll be wildly spun in the MSM's retelling in tomorrow's papers.
Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (Kvk9o)
Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2016 12:43 AM (9Xu0X)
And as someone else said earlier, he would also be down 15 points in the polls, so the debate wouldn't matter all that much.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (sdi6R)
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And as someone else said earlier, he would also be down 15 points in the polls, so the debate wouldn't matter all that much.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (sdi6R)
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But would be a great platform to talk about conservatism while losing!
Posted by: RioBravo at September 27, 2016 12:53 AM (NUqwG)
And that's true. The Hillary/Lester team was focusing on the crap that nobody really cares about, because they LOSE on the stuff that people DO care about. And they were so OBVIOUS in their ganging up, while Trump stood up to them.
Maybe. JUST MAYBE this will be one of those deals where the elitist assholes who never get tired of being wrong "know" that this will hurt Trump, but instead it helps.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:55 AM (EnK/R)
Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (Kvk9o)
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Someone from the Hillary campaign was spinning earlier today that they were afraid Trump would be "graded on a curve." I see she was right.
Trump D, Hillary D
They both pass and move on to round 2!
Posted by: RioBravo at September 27, 2016 12:56 AM (NUqwG)
Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 27, 2016 12:58 AM (GzDYP)
Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 12:59 AM (Kvk9o)
And as someone else said earlier, he would also be down 15 points in the polls, so the debate wouldn't matter all that much.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (sdi6R)
(Claps)
Trump held his own vs Hillary & Lester, and probably learned a lot. This may have come across well, even though it wasn't "pretty", and next time 'round Trump should be able to do MUCH better. We've already seen Hillary's (and the media's) best.
Cruz, et al, would be lucky to match what Romney did.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:59 AM (EnK/R)
Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 01:03 AM (Kvk9o)
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:05 AM (EnK/R)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 27, 2016 01:06 AM (P8951)
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:05 AM (EnK/R)
Yeah, I don't think he won tonight's debate, but it wasn't a disaster either.
So maybe this wasn't the "make or break" event that everyone was breathlessly predicting. There's still over a month to go until the election, and a lot can happen between now and then.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:09 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Stonecutter at September 27, 2016 01:17 AM (qcDdt)
It seems the Lester Holt leading Hillary to hang up on Trump was so over the top all the rubes and racists and unpeople are beginning to notice.
And they seem to be very kissed off.
That blew up in the Uniparty's faces.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 01:19 AM (XGrlW)
Solid gold.
Posted by: Martell at September 27, 2016 01:20 AM (I/Avl)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 27, 2016 01:06 AM (P8951)
To be fair, if you openly support Trump you put yourself at a high risk on the receiving end of violence.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 01:21 AM (XGrlW)
Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2016 01:26 AM (EdXI9)
Posted by: Tim at September 27, 2016 01:26 AM (EdXI9)
Posted by: Dim at September 27, 2016 01:27 AM (EdXI9)
Posted by: Snicklefritz at September 27, 2016 01:31 AM (aOqpx)
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 01:38 AM (ru2SK)
Posted by: Its all good at September 27, 2016 01:53 AM (PuCp6)
Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2016 01:26 AM (EdXI9)
He's dead, Jim.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:58 AM (sdi6R)
Then it came to me: What if he has something good, something nobody knows he has, something truly lethal, from someone like Julian Assange. What if tonight was a set up for something He's planning to spring on her that she is completely unprepared for. He has something......and whether or not this is a good idea or not, tonight played out exactly as he wanted it to.
Posted by: Adam Kelm at September 27, 2016 02:03 AM (km/D2)
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 01:38 AM (ru2SK)
I agree. Cruz was solid in Trumps corner right after the debate.
Glenn Beck wept.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 02:46 AM (XGrlW)
And, after she answered the first question in such a confidently smooth, flowing, all-knowing articulate manner...I wondered, could she possible have know what the question was going to be? HELL YES!!!
Posted by: Joyce at September 27, 2016 06:11 AM (CFcSr)
Trump's team should make Trump watch his performance numerous times to get him ready for the next debate. I'll bet he does a whole lot better.
Posted by: Jethro the Bodine at September 27, 2016 07:09 AM (AGBf1)
Trump had to only be Trump. However, Hilary had to hit it out of the ball park, which she failed.
She might get another chance at the second debate, but Trump knows her now and will know how to counteract her much better.
Posted by: John Paterson at September 27, 2016 07:20 AM (h2ZPT)
Posted by: Dustin at September 27, 2016 07:56 AM (orEnP)
Posted by: LTCHAM at September 27, 2016 08:16 AM (7h4Fr)
For Hillary not dropping stone cold dead, passing out or having an errant eye wiggle was a victory.
For us the citizens both of them surviving the debate was a dead loss.
Posted by: obsidian at September 27, 2016 09:17 AM (ARK2U)
I blame his inability to articulate points such as these and his lackluster performance on NeverTrumpers.
Posted by: Me, That's Who at September 27, 2016 11:07 AM (0Hj5x)
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Democratic Forays into Erotica
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Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)