Post-Debate Thread: Final Thoughts

Trump did not attack Hillary very effectively. She had her attack lines memorized. He was improvising his from memories. I suspect he might bother studying for the next one. Because she pissed him off.

Hillary dinged Trump up a fair amount. However, some people view these debates and their candidates like a new car -- ever fearful of the smallest ding.

Look, have you ever had a car that didn't get a ding?

The idea that a candidate has to come through a debate without having had a glove laid on him to win is simply wrong. Its an idea borne of a lack of perspective -- people get so emotionally invested in a win that every single error seems unbearable.

Trump made lots of errors -- I can't believe he brought up taking the oil again, for example -- but Hillary's goal here was to disqualify him.

What did she do? She painted him like every other Republican gets painted in a debate. She did not succeed in extraordinizing him -- making him an extraordinary threat the Republican can not bear.

By repeating the same sorts of attacks lodged at every Republican -- wants to cut taxes, "racist," etc. -- she actually ordinized him.

Trump's demeanor was generally strong and calm. He got rattled a few times. He looked pissy when she was dropping her programmed attack modules on him.

But by and large, he kept it together.

Was he good? No. He wasn't sharp. I know people's jaws were falling open when Trump failed to pounce on her for daring to bring up emails, disclosures, and cybersecurity.

He was meh.

Hillary delivered the exact same message that all of her ads are playing around the clock. The viewer really got no new information on that front.

On the other hand, Trump stood up at the podium and kept to his basic message without melting down. (Well, except that "take their oil" like.)

Her goal was to disqualify him; his goal was to seem like an ordinary Republican. Or, at least, ordinary enough to not seem scary (while attempting to seem like a big change agent).

Neither did a very good job. But Trump did a slightly better job at is job than she did at hers.

The one good thing -- I hope -- is that sometimes Trump has to get his ass kicked a little before he starts listening to other people. He didn't get whooped by Hillary, but she did make him angry.

Maybe that will animate him to study up and make himself prepared to deliver crisp attack lines.

By the way: Lester Holt directed every single hostile question towards Trump, and purported to "fact check" him every five minutes.


We'll leave this up until around 11:30 for your own discussion. Then I'll post a late edition of the ONT (courtesy, of course, of Misanthropic Humanitarian).

Posted by: Ace at 10:37 PM




Comments

(Jump to bottom of page)

1 Trump won. Sane. Not scary. Mentioned how hurting America was in the first part of the debate before it got boring.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (/NlFx)

2 damn- wish she would have started.

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (CL76w)

3 Trump won.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (RcpcZ)

4 Kellyann needs to let him off the leash.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (zu88C)

5 Started!! dammit

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at September 26, 2016 10:39 PM (CL76w)

6 At least he didn't shoot himself in the face.

Posted by: Ray, just Ray at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (XFS85)

7 WASTF!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (wCEn4)

8 Holt clearly "fact checked" only one side and often unfairly. How stupid do you have to be not to know violent crime did increase by 3.7% for instance. Holt stupid.

Posted by: pat at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (4MSOz)

9 Rock 'em Sock 'em Retirees
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (om8sC)

10 And unless Obama is suddenly mailing out checks to every American family from his stash, a lot of the country is still hurting and very angry.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (/NlFx)

11 Ok, auto-cucumber wins

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (CL76w)

12 A debate at fucking Hofstra.



When will we fucking quit this shit?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (zu88C)

13 I'm no Trump ...

... but I could have whipped her ass. He didn't. That's what sucks.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2016 10:40 PM (fiGNd)

14
Trump didn't drop a deuce on the stage so he won.

This debate.

If he wants to win the next debate he has to do better.

Posted by: ArthurK at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (h53OH)

15 Hillary looked weird the whole time, odd smile.

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (NqQAS)

16 Damn Donald missed so many opportunities to blast her on Syrian immigration, the "Charitable" Clinton Family Crime Foundation. He lost.

Posted by: CMU VET at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (C+wjz)

17
Okay, so maybe like Obama at the first debate in 2012, or not even that bad.

And we know Trump is capable of learning.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (oGNNA)

18 Kellyanne told him to take the high road.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (zu88C)

19 He was fed a hundred easy attack lines to pursue and didn't follow up any on them!

Good job on not preparing for a hostile two on one debate attack!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (wCEn4)

20 Hillary! is still alive? Drat. Everyone lost.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (1CroS)

21 If I ever meet Leater face to face. I'll break his nose. And happily take the rap.

Other than that, I think teh Donald won.

Posted by: West at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (hWwwF)

22 Bright spot: she can't get much better, he can.
Dark thought: he might not.
Buy guns just in case.
Winona Dreamin'

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (mNS8n)

23 Trump did not attack Hillary very effectively. She had her attack lines memorized. He was improvising his from memories. I suspect he might bother studying for the next one. Because she pissed him off.

Hillary dinged Trump up a fair amount. However, some people view these debates and their candidates like a new car -- ever fearful of the smallest ding.

Look, have you ever had a car that didn't get a ding?


Romney dominated Obama in their first debate.

Obama humiliated Romney in the other two.

Perhaps a similar path is Trump's best hope.

Trump started out strong, but let Hillary get to him. He let very easy responses go by and gave meandering rebukes.

Hillary repeated rehearsed lines.

Whoever gave her the drug cocktail to keep her up and responsive enough to spout back pre-written lines deserves a Nobel Prize.

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (vBeA5)

24 I'm still voting against Hillary. So there.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (4bjXi)

25 Let's see if he changes tactics in the next debate.

Posted by: xav at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (RjLDU)

26 Trump won. Non-junkies tuned out after 1st 30 minutes.


President Trump. Better get used to it.

Posted by: Meh at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (WLd2b)

27 Trump had more energy.......but was more thin. Hillary said some but was spitting more useless shit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (kcEGn)

28 Donald missed a lot of opportunities but I still think he won.

I hope he preps better for the next one.

Posted by: Just a guy who loves his country at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (NPLj5)

29 I'd love to know the drug cocktail she was on! Must be some superior stuff!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (wCEn4)

30 Lester Holt did what party apparatchiks get paid to do, he put his thumb on the scale.

I think people will notice this bullshit.

The next debate with Cooper the quiff will be even more enraging from a bias stand point.

I actually expect Piss Wallace to be the worst of the bunch.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 26, 2016 10:42 PM (+lv+r)

31 Not only did Holt Fact check Trump...

Even the very first question was straight from Democrat talking points.

And amazingly... she answered like... she knew what the questions were going to be...

He.... did not...

Gee.... how... interesting...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (qf6WZ)

32 Report from my LIV mother: she looked tired, unstable when walking across stage. Trump stood up to Hillary better than mom thought he would. She also thinks from Hillary's responses that she had the questions beforehand. Also says it seemed like they gave Hillary more time to speak and that Holt was trying to "run over" Trump, but Trump wouldn't let him.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (GUBah)

33 Anybody who thought Trump won was so deep in the tank for him already that they're incapable of any semblance of objectivity.

That said, it's time for the GOP to blacklist NBC from future debates.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (KRwzj)

34 NeverTrumpers on Fox saying Hillary had him on defense. I didn't see it that way. It was a replay of the primary debates and Trump came out of those just fine.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (VjPX+)

35 Trump did ok, I had an expectation of how I'd like to see him handle it all, but I'm not in the spotlight.

I hope he learns from this and carries his experience forward to the next two.

He has to know he's debating her and the mod(s).

Posted by: willy at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (I10CF)

36
And again, thanks to all who watched. YOU are the heroes!

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (oGNNA)

37
Trump should have had a handful of items to drill and planned different segues into them, knowing the moderators would never bring up.
And, stop rearranging the damn deck chairs n inform on her globalist sell out of our sovereignty and liberty.

Posted by: Justamom at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (sVnbw)

38 I bet the black and hispanic males and the millenials can't wait to get out to vote for Hillary now!!


She's one of them....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (/NlFx)

39 Ghostbusters was such a good flick.

Posted by: 52% at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (zu88C)

40 I honestly think Trump achieved more from the debate, but it does piss me off the guy won't do some homework

He clearly winged the debate

Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (Jzg4b)

41 Maybe it was my bias talking, but it sure seemed like a clock measuring Lester Holt's interruptions would have had him interrupting Trump a lot more. And also this:

Lester Holt: Secretary Clinton, (substantive policy question)
Lester Holt: Donald Trump, about your tax returns.

And of course the missing question:

Not Lester Holt: Secretary Clinton, can you explain how pneumonia makes you turn into Gumby after two bottles of vodka?

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (iMxBJ)

42 Trump scored heavily when he pointed out at the end that Hillary's experience is all bad.

Posted by: An Observation at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (SAMq1)

43 Missed a couple big ones. Survives till next round. The point counters in the media will miss how unlikable she is. That may play out more in the long run

Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (yB+wk)

44 She won the debate because she prepared and he's arrogant - if he doesn't start putting out adds showing what she really is vs what she ways she is he's gonna lose - his only saving grace was that he commanded the stage, wouldn't let anyone shut him up and he's not her.

Posted by: firehorse at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (//TVq)

45 But! But! Never Trump!

Posted by: Brendan at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (DdR4l)

46 So long as you have no actual memory of Hillary's accomplishments while holding positions of authority, Hillary did okay.

Trump was discomfited. I agree with ace that Trump will pull a Rocky II and come back stronger.

For the third debate he'll train in the snowy heights, carrying a log.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (om8sC)

47 Neither did a very good job. But Trump did a slightly better job at is job than she did at hers.


Seriously? I dislike Trump, that's up front, but I was rooting for him to spill blood tonight.

He had so many openings. He just whiffed. He got down in the weeds.

He had to win, she just had to survive. She won.

No, I am not happy about this outcome.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (mgbwf)

48 My only real sadz is how many attack opportunities Trump let slide right by.

He spent too much time defending and explaining, and didn't take the openings on computer security, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, etc.

He needs to memorize a "kill list" of topics to be SURE to drive home in the next rounds. And execute on those lists, regardless of what other shit gets thrown.

If he'll do that, he'll do 80% better than he did tonight.

My take? He didn't lose. But he lost out on a strong, clear win.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (v5iqM)

49 Don't think either will get a single new vote from this. They both went the turnout route.

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (a7FXx)

50 Here's why Trump lost. 90% of this debate was all about him talking about himself.

Not entirely his fault, given the attack questions and fact checking from the mod, but he handled it poorly.

If you're explaining, you're losing. Worse, he was explaining himself against BS accusations the entire time while Hillary never had to explain or justify a single thing.

Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (71OEY)

51 I think Trump did as well as he could since he was fighting both moderator and Killary. And I agree he should have attacked but I guess his goal was to "be nice". I hope does better next go round. And Killary is such a good liar and so smug about it. Hard to watch and listen but I powered through. Heh.

Posted by: turambar at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (JtIBD)

52 I hope he buckles down for the next one. Lester is one of the media lickspittles. I mean, asking Donald a question about women, but no questin to Hillary about Black Lives Matter moms at her campaign stops?
And Don didn't mention Bengazi? And Lester didin't fact check HRC about TPP.

Posted by: vivi at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (11H2y)

53 I didn't watch it. I won.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (IqV8l)

54 He lost

Posted by: L, Elle at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (6IPEM)

55 He could have done better.
He could have done worse.

God has a funny sense of humor.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (voOPb)

56 I am surprised inner cities are such vibrant communities.
"Vibrant" is a Latin word dirivaiant. The Latin is Vita. it mean "life"
I always thought of the inner cities as dangerous and deadly.

Posted by: pat at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (4MSOz)

57 Mom also says, "it seems like Hillary has a hard time remembering what she's going to say. She pauses so much while she's speaking."

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (GUBah)

58 Why not make your own ONT, Ace?

You can do it!

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (It7Oy)

59 I heard today that Holt is a registered republican. LOL!

Posted by: keena at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (RiTnx)

60
There needs to be a reckoning on her email shenanigans, he charitable fraud and her overseas failures. She skated on these tonight because Trump failed to go after her even when there were big fat pitches over the plate.

He cannot fail to go after her for these in future episodes.

No clear winner.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (BK3ZS)

61 Hmm.

I liked the first half hour, lost interest in the second, and took my dog for a walk at the end.

But I think if he had the momentum and the lead going in, a tie tonight probably doesn't change that, though possibly it may slow it.

Or we might find that "hispanic" mass shooting events have more effect than 90 minutes of talking points.

Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (3Liv/)

62 Plus I think we are in a post LIV era... The only question is are there enough of us to out vote then

Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (yB+wk)

63 I think I have to give up recreational drinking and get back into the professional drinking mode!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (wCEn4)

64 The worst thing:

Trump, by calling into question Hillary's stahm-E-na, will lead to four weeks of Crossfit Hillary ads.

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (om8sC)

65 She droned on. Unlikable. She lost. Was on the fence - not anymore. Can't do 4 years of that. Ugh.

Posted by: Turner at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (WLd2b)

66 47,
Couldn't disagree more.
Trump held up better than expected, and gave the liv and msm crowd nothing to hang on.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (C9pBZ)

67 The fix has been in since Trump won the Republican nomination ...

He doesn't want the job or he wants her to have it ...

/No other explanation

Posted by: Common Sense at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (Q1u0H)

68 No clear winner.


The Moron upthread, who didn't watch, clearly was victorious.

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (It7Oy)

69 I didn't watch it. I won

Yes, you did.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (KRwzj)

70 Here's what I get, Hillary thinks the whole country is racist. That raising taxes will create jobs and also she is the status quo President.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (uI8Pr)

71
Inner cities are vibrant in the sense that flying bullets make a sound and sound, of course, is comprised of vibrations.

Viva la vibrancy!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (BK3ZS)

72 The only issue on the debate is who looks like a President.

The economy completely sucks. Riots consume cities. Violent attacks everywhere, including all over our own country. No hope in America. Hillary thinks these are the happiest days ever.

Trump's temperament is his greatest asset. He came off as human reacting to the hellish mess hatched by the politicians.

Posted by: Onlooker at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (1kjZB)

73
Who counts the votes?

Posted by: Justamom at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (sVnbw)

74 Hillary was on Ritalin, as I expected. She was blood doped all week, given antibiotics and Gatorade and Ritalin 15 minutes before via oral dose.

Posted by: pat at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (4MSOz)

75 Trump was told to take the high road.

He did.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (zu88C)

76 I was so hoping for a face freeze and the black guy to come out on stage and whisper in her ear.

Posted by: Janetoo at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (phNni)

77 This debate made me hate both candidates more. Hillary is a status quo politician and trump was a thin skinned unprepared candidate. He had no strategy basically other than to be trump. It got him this far but after the first 1/3, Hillary figured out how to bait him consistently.

Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (/22Vh)

78 Viscerally, Trump is JFK from the first Kennedy-Nixon debate. Her smirk, the blatant mediabias collusion...I've seen Hillary in action for ALL of my adult life and this kicks up my hate to 11.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (ODkrH)

79 I couldn't watch it because I was cooking dinner, so I just listened on the radio. I thought Hillary sounded tired, and Donald needed to have more facts at his fingertips.

Posted by: California Girl at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (Pt5D1)

80 She lost the likability factor.

Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (yB+wk)

81 Well, that sounds better than I'd feared.

Posted by: deplorable cthulhu at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (EzgxV)

82 Hillary won because she never had to answer or defend herself in a single question while Donald was on the defensive and explaining the entire time.

Not entirely his fault but, fuck- when he brought up something valid or damaging, he refused to shut the fuck up and make her explain it. He just kept talking and explaining for her.

Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (71OEY)

83
oh Shit.


Megggyyyynnn says "Trump is talking to Sean Hannity, let see if he talks to the journalists in the room".


Nasty, boy hair cut bitch. Not a Hannity fan but she is a bitch.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (zu88C)

84 She gave him so many freakin' opportunities, on a silver platter, and he seemed oblivious, COMPLETELYOBLIVIOUS, to them.

He needs to study. He needs to memorize things. He needs to learn to...

FINISH HER!

Posted by: the guy from Mortal Kombat at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (H9MG5)

85 Trump used this 'debate' to present himself to a much wider audience. It was a job interview / introduction / sales call


He did fine.

She didn't drop dead on the stage, which was what I was hoping for ( although I'd have settled for a simple 'medical incident' with or without colostomy bags, etc

Posted by: Billy Occam at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (/542q)

86 Why do you invite a Benghazi survivor and never once mention it?

Posted by: wiserbud at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (AqEbb)

87 I honestly think Trump achieved more from the debate, but it does piss me off the guy won't do some homework

He clearly winged the debate
Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (Jzg4b)


I think the Pence vs. Kaine debate will be vastly better. Not as good as the Cheney vs. Lieberman in 2000, but closer to it than this debate or the next two...

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (vBeA5)

88 She couldn't bother to wear a flag pin? Wow

Posted by: Chin puller at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (WLd2b)

89 Don't forget women don't like other women who are shrills

Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (yB+wk)

90 She's a lawyer.


She is skilled at debate.

Yeah who saw that coming?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:48 PM (zu88C)

91 I heard today that Holt is a registered republican. LOL!

Posted by: keena at September 26, 2016 10:45 PM (RiTnx)


I'm convinced that is a false flag operation by the media, "Look you guys, wowee, we have a half black impartial moderator that just happens to be a registered Republican!" Totes OBJECTIVE, yo!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (wCEn4)

92 HOT TAKES!

GET YOUR HOT TAKES Hee-yah!

HOT TAKES!

GET YOUR HOT TAKES Hee-yah!

Posted by: Vox dot Com at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (om8sC)

93 55 He could have done better.
He could have done worse.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (voOPb)


Yup. Many missed opportunities, too much talking about himself, even given the need to defend.

But his theme of "you had plenty of chances, and you screwed them up," and "you make really crappy deals; I know, I'm a deal guy" came through very well.

Plus the other theme: Hillary is status quo, I am change.

For me another theme was: listening to Trump is mostly fun. Listening to Hillary is something near torture. It just keeps getting worse, the more I see of her.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (iMxBJ)

94 It's funny because Trump would make me cringe and then Hillary would top it.

Her people have to think it was a big missed opportunity

I still like trumps chances better than Hillary but he could have worked this debate with just a little prep

Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (Jzg4b)

95 Self pitying Trump is not the best Trump

Posted by: TexasJew at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (Xtx+H)

96 Hmm...reading Scott Adams makes me skeptical of any claims that Trump is winging stuff.

Part of the persuasion deal is tapping into people's preconceived narrative arcs. If Trump blew all his big shots in the first debate, that would be old news by the second and third.

If you win early, there's nowhere for the story to go but down. If you lose a bit of ground early, though, there's time to make it up and turn it around later.

At least I hope this is part of the deal. Again, Scott Adams seems to have predicted Trump's narrative management pretty well thus far...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (L54EB)

97 Excellent summation, Ace. Trump will study and have some email, cyber security and email kill-shots loaded next time.

Posted by: An American Commoner, Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (pxwEr)

98 If I had to guess, I'd say Lester is going to vote for Hillary.

Funny how when I ask myself that question regarding all the big personalities on ABC, CBS and NBC, I come up with the same answer.

Like, should we know that and know it so easily? Seriously. That is a big problem. Believe me. Sad!

Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (4bjXi)

99 I don't even remember him saying anything about the oil--I must have blinked. But what I wish he had hammered is this fact: the woman has had her time to do all of these things she TALKS about--but none has been accomplished and there has been a lot of harm in the process. I wish he had pounced when she said that litany of the places she visited as Secretary of State-- ...AND BENGHAZI? Were you there? And were you UNDER SNIPER'S FIRE like they were?

Posted by: Scotsfury at September 26, 2016 10:49 PM (i2Ro9)

100 Hannity isn't a journalist.

He will tell you that himself.

He will also tell you that you are a Great American and that you should seriously consider getting new blinds and LifeLock.

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (It7Oy)

101 He just told Sean Hannity that he didn't want to bring up Bill's women because Chelsea was in the audience and he thought it would hurt her. I'm not sure it was good but it was kind.

Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (HBU7W)

102 I'm not going to lie, I wanted him to stomp her like a... thing that gets stomped hard.

But maybe by not hitting her and going nuts, he does seem un-scary.

And every time people see Hillary, they get turned off by her. Let's not forget she called all Americans racist, threatened to take away their guns, and I think worked in a claim that we're all sexist too.

Posted by: LawLurker at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (b2PbZ)

103 Here's why Trump lost. 90% of this debate was all about him talking about himself.

Not entirely his fault, given the attack questions and fact checking from the mod, but he handled it poorly.

If you're explaining, you're losing. Worse, he was explaining himself against BS accusations the entire time while Hillary never had to explain or justify a single thing.
Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:44 PM (71OEY)

-------


I disagree. Trump controlled the debate talking about yourself.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (uI8Pr)

104 As a long as BLM is out rioting and asshole jihadis are shooting up places here in the U.S., he can win. If we have to rely on his debate skills against Hillary, we're F'ed.

Posted by: JROD at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (wnwJC)

105 95
Self pitying Trump is not the best Trump



Yeah . Kellyanne has got to either make him comfortable being " nice" or let him off the leash.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (zu88C)

106 85,
Exactly so.
She is the favorite here, and couldn't put Trump away, and he wasn't folding like the last two GOP candidates...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (C9pBZ)

107 My thoughts exactly ace. Trump was fine. Not great, but did what he needed to do which was look like he belongs there.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (VfYeS)

108 He was sniffling, so think he had a cold. Also, don't think he took it seriously enough. Plus, it was apparent she had the questions. That list of responses on what she supposedly did to respond to the "stamina" question was not off the cuff. Hopefully, that will make him mad enough to study and get attack lines of his own (emails, immunity for friends, clinton cash, immigration.) However, that bs from Holt about how rosy life is for middle class under obama made him look delusional. And, it helped reinforce Trump's outreach to Ohio and PA w trade hits.

Posted by: ever at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (kronK)

109 Hillary's Tired, Spent Performance Sealed The Deal, Here's Why:

Posted by: Vox dot Com at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (om8sC)

110 This debate was 100% about Trump. Not about Clinton, not about the presidency, not about the direction of the country, not about policy, ideas or the future.

100% was Trump defending himself and explaining himself.

Posted by: Damiano at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (71OEY)

111 Considering the lame "issues" raised, it was like watching a Canadian Prime Minister debate....much ado about nothing.


Birtherism, racism, sexism.....yeah, nothing important..

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (/NlFx)

112 If that was Trump "winning" a debate, I shudder to think what his *losing* will be like.

Posted by: Erich Schwarz at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (Z36Y8)

113 People will remember the last debate not the first one.

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (c6/9Q)

114 79 I couldn't watch it because I was cooking dinner, so I just listened on the radio. I thought Hillary sounded tired, and Donald needed to have more facts at his fingertips.
Posted by: California Girl at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (Pt5D1)


She was fading at the end. Not sure it showed up in the voice, but if you watched her eyelids, it was really obvious.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (iMxBJ)

115 My sister pointed out that the rules included no sudden noises from the audience and no bells or buzzers to signal the end of candidates' speaking time. Pretty interesting in that such precautions would be important in protecting someone with Parkinson's from any possible sensory triggers! Make you think...

Posted by: Mr. Right at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (cnOqz)

116 Aaargh!

Someone please tell me what I should make of all this!

You know what?

I am going to Montana the day after tomorrow. Baby brother getting married. Nice, long weekend in Yellowstone country.

I'll try and figure shit out after that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (Jvy2x)

117 I do think though Trump has a lovable rogue quality that is entertaining

When Hillary is bad, she doesn't have that humorous element to offset it

Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (Jzg4b)

118 My Impression: Punt...it is never fun to punt, but better then giving it up in the other teams territory: In my exuberance I forgot it was N.B..C...yea...Punt!

Posted by: William Eaton at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (KhJh8)

119 Trump was told to take the high road.

He did.


The GOP seems to do that every election.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (s/vC3)

120 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (7dzxl)

121 I'm not 1/2 as irate at Orange Toupee Weasel as I am the NTs who joined the donks in pounding him rather than being enraged that for the third cycle in a row the media needs Diogenes Lamp as their Cruise Director on the SS Blunt Force Trauma.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (SzZnW)

122 A couple of more threads and the trolls will be gone. Kind of like sifting flour through a finer and finer sieve. I'm guessing that by midnight I should be able to lurk with confidence.

Posted by: Tuna at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (JSovD)

123 It was the same predictable shit from The FAB and the Left and Trump basically did not have knock out blows ready? I was disappointed. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (Ozsfq)

124 there were a couple of times when lester tried a crawley number on Trump- Trump did not let him. that was very good.

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (c6/9Q)

125 I think the reason Trump didn't do "obvious" attacks was because he knew she had canned responses for them. He's not being predictable... keeping them off balance.

And trying to appear like he doesnt just attack for no reason. The "undecideds" don't like negativity. We'll see.

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (EdXI9)

126 The question is: What does Luntz's Dunces think?

Posted by: The Debating Hat at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (vBeA5)

127 119 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (s/vC3)

Works for us 1/2 the time every 20th time.

//Your GOP Political Advisor Class.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (SzZnW)

128 She talked about the designer Trump stiffed.

Why he didn't bring up the Benghazi survivor in the crowd is beyond me.

Prep Donald, prep.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (voOPb)

129
He will also tell you that you are a Great American and that you should seriously consider getting new blinds and LifeLock.

Posted by: garrett


====

He is a proud non journalist and a really great guy off camera!

It was the way she used it.

She is an elitist cvnt. It is what it is.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (zu88C)

130 So what tough question did Lester Holt pitch to Hillary?

None, you say?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (EZebt)

131 trump's criticisms of the problems are legitimate, but his solutions offer little more than slogans. too superficial and lacking enough depth to peel away any clinton supporters methinks.

clinton did provide policy details but they come across as the same sort of expensive sink hole programs we've seen for decades. her supporters will be encouraged but not much more than that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (WTSFk)

132 I'm with Ace. He went on the defensive when he really didn't have too.
There is a whole lot of opportunity to highlight the Hillary corruption that so many are sick of.

Posted by: Drider at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (6Xbsz)

133 I didn't watch it. I did watch what was happening here.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (hVdx9)

134 @100 garrett-Shaun Hannity=Glenn Beck=Michael Savage. All F'ing idiot buffoons.

Posted by: JROD at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (wnwJC)

135 >>>Seriously? I dislike Trump, that's up front, but I was rooting for him to spill blood tonight.

He had so many openings. He just whiffed. He got down in the weeds.

He had to win, she just had to survive. She won.

...

How do you figure this? The woman who is supposedly "the most experienced person to ever run for president" merely had to SURVIVE, and the neophyte derided as a total maniac and incompetent had to WIN against such a juggernaut?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (dciA+)

136 She had to change the dynamic tonight. She didn't.

Posted by: Justsayin at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (WLd2b)

137 Trump naming "Rosie O'Donnell" as the person whom he was insulting was a Master Persuader move.

Who among us thinks of Rosie O'Donnell as a woman?

Posted by: Vox dot Com at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (om8sC)

138 My call is the debate was a tie. Let's see how the polls shake out over the next 3 days.

Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (gyKtp)

139 I like how he kept calling her secretary clinton and she did a condescending "Donald" - major negative points on that. condescending, smug bitch - not presidential.

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (c6/9Q)

140 >>If that was Trump "winning" a debate, I shudder to think what his *losing* will be like.


Remember that time you came home and found both of your uncles in the living room trying to give your mom the 'heimlich maneuver?

It will look nothing like that.

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (It7Oy)

141 The tag team of Clinton/Holt did not land any staggering blows so by default Trump won.


All Trump has to do is keep hitting his themes and start hammering her with ads.

She spending a shit ton and isn't even really on the trail her base doesn't give a rip about this or any other debate and I can't imagine she has roped in any independents or men from this performance so I expect the lefts panic to grow exponentially in the weeks as the polls show Trump expanding his lead.


Posted by: Kreplach at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (+lv+r)

142 I think where Trump did best was on the race questions. Law and order. Stop and Frisk, taking guns out of the hands of the gang bangers and drug dealers. People in the inner community want law and order, too. Trump made a good point about meeting with inner city community leaders and his taking the time and effort to listen.

The quip about Dem control of the cities and asking for votes every four years and doing nothing was pretty good, too. He hit her pretty good on the violence in Chicago.

I wonder what the unemployment numbers are for Chicago's inner city youth.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (JBggj)

143 Trump needs to channel this guy
http://bit.ly/1cjRnTT

Posted by: Random Lurker at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (+tRIN)

144 Really, Trump Cult? You think Trump won? He rambled on incoherently for the last hour pic the debate. He doesn't look like he knows what he's talking about on any issue.

Posted by: rexbatt at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (woA40)

145 It's hard for me to judge but I thought Hillary appeared unlikeable and Trump appeared human.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (Om16U)

146 Preprogrammed prewritten postgame analysis says it devolved into "namecalling".

Where are all these clips the media wanted of Trump being "negative"?

He's fighting a war on a lot of fronts here.

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (EdXI9)

147 I guess the thing here is that "we" are not Trump's target tonight-

becuz we're already for him.

Tonight was a bid for the "undecided".

So, he was calm, didn't hit hard, and looked "alpha" and Presidential.

So, Trump supporters are likely to feel disappointed in the lack of "Trump" the Destroyer.


I guess we'll see if his being calm and adult worked better than Hillary! being all smirky and insulting.

I found her off-putting but then I would.

The beautiful and perceptive Mrs naturalfake who is not a political person at all, said-

Trump won. She liked his manner and explanations/details. She found Hillary to be off-putting and to vague in her pronouncements.


Maybe Trump won bigly after all.

We'll see.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (miR0C)

148 125 I think the reason Trump didn't do "obvious" attacks was because he knew she had canned responses for them. He's not being predictable... keeping them off balance.
^^^

This seems reasonable. I think Clinton may have won on points, as in "College Debate Team" points. But this election isn't about that.

She came across as robotic - all the halting speech and awkward pauses. I think there are some people who will interpret that as "more presidential", but really...if Trump can hammer her on all the dirty laundry in the next month, then it won't help her.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (L54EB)

149 Local Media ... here in Lou, KY ... is telling the rubes that Hillary won. On all channels.

It's a coordinated effort. All about "temperament".

He missed his chance. It was there. Several times. But Donald won't miss a chance to talk about Donald.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (fiGNd)

150 It does appear that Hillary had the questions beforehand, and was she reading from notes?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (uI8Pr)

151 Trump was good on the economy which is what counts.

Nice to know everyone is a racist, not just us. Thanks Hillary!

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (iWW0H)

152 My husband wandered in for a few minutes but left saying "Hillary had those questions ahead of time. Listen to her answers, they're memorized ". I think he was right.

Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (HBU7W)

153 He had to win, she just had to survive. She won.

...

How do you figure this? The woman who is supposedly "the most experienced person to ever run for president" merely had to SURVIVE, and the neophyte derided as a total maniac and incompetent had to WIN against such a juggernaut?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (dciA+)

This is actually very encouraging.

Thanks, boss.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (Jvy2x)

154 Trump did not do as well as he should have, but this may help him be better prepared next time. Glad he pushed back against Holt. Like others have said, Trump spent too much time defending himself. Next time; e-mails, Benghazi, Iran, and the Clinton Foundation.

Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (5v4w4)

155
People will remember the last debate not the first one.
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:51 PM (c6/9Q)


Quite true.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (BK3ZS)

156 Posted by: rexbatt at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (woA40)

i don't believe i know you professor, care to introduce yourself ?

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (c6/9Q)

157 My call is the debate was a tie. Let's see how the polls shake out over the next 3 days.


Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 26, 2016 10:53 PM (gyKtp)


Same here. Best friend (who lurks here) and his wife think the same. My LIV mom thinks it's a Trump win, but she hates the Clintons.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (GUBah)

158 bad performance by Trump.

Doesn't matter. The democong and their gope buttboys have screwed the economy over so badly that they lose a good chunk of votes right there.

Add in a few muslim terror attacks and BLM riots that our self-procliamed elite either don't care to address or instigate themselves ( and there WILL be more of these before the election).

Don't forget the illegals taking lower-class jobs and squatting on welfare payments.

Hell, the democong have been so malfeasant in the ghettos that they lost their required target % of the black vote.

I'm not saying Trump has it wrapped up, but he didn't lose the election tonight.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (swEzU)

159 She talked about the designer Trump stiffed.

Why he didn't bring up the Benghazi survivor in the crowd is beyond me.

Prep Donald, prep.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:52 PM (voOPb)


I think he just walked away for three or four kill-shots that everyone, even LiVs, have heard about, like Benghazi!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (wCEn4)

160 Quick - name anything she said that was effective? can't? Then list anything.

See. That's why her poll numbers will continue to free fall.

Posted by: Justsayin at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (WLd2b)

161 Pretty much in the camp of 'didn't watch, don't care, not voting for Hillary no matter what."

Save a lot of other time, like reading Metaxas' new book, If You Can Keep It.

Highly recommended.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (L0bUn)

162 100 Hannity isn't a journalist.

He will tell you that himself.

He will also tell you that you are a Great American and that you should seriously consider getting new blinds and LifeLock.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (It7Oy)

And a membership in that CCW association

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (voOPb)

163 on the attack level, clinton scored some points and i thought trump missed some big opportunities both to attack her and defend himself.

again, he comes across as superficial though often right.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (WTSFk)

164 Joe sixpack thought Trump won.

maybe it's enough?

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (zu88C)

165 To The Polls!

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (It7Oy)

166 Trump was Trump and did fine.



Bizaardvark: You Have to Love the Haters
http://tinyurl.com/znusacz

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (/NlFx)

167 really? 'take the oil" really bothers you? I suppose kill evryone when you are at war and all muslims need to go are out of the question. those ARE the new reality and worth fighting for. "take the oil" doesnt make sense to you? making,MAKING those we must destroy pay?in blood and treasure.

Posted by: CW at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (MhOIe)

168 But what did Lunce's Dunces think???!!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (e2Rx3)

169 I think many people are underestimating the smug attitude of Hillary and the impression she gave

It's far more powerful than Trump stumbling on something about a tax return

Posted by: Ghetto at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (Jzg4b)

170 This makes me feel a little better, ace.

Wish I could stay up for the ONT but this "29" year old needs her beauty sleep.

Goodnight all.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (xpSCc)

171 Yeah, I dunno. I don't think Trump won, but I don't think Hillary won either. That's not great, but I think it's a good first round given that Trump has closed a 10 point gap in the last month. Maybe?

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (o38N1)

172 Damiano making some strong points

Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (/22Vh)

173 Look I don't think Trump did well, but I don't think it will matter. He's never done well in the traditional sense at debates. It's hard to watch him, he doesn't have command of the issues and pretty much wings it. But it seemed to work for him in the primaries because people who liked him didn't give a crap about having a good debater as president. Would it have been nice if a different Donald showed up, of course, but that was never going to happen. For me it's still about never Hilary, but I think I'll skip the next two debates for health reasons.

Posted by: spypeach at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (nyYhO)

174 I'm obviously not in the tank for trump, but I thought trump did ok. Hillary did much better than I thought she would. But I think trump played well on the fact that she has been there a long time. It is the same old same old with Hillary. In the end is score it a draW. Both sides had there moments. But trump was really good on some answers.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (5UjEE)

175 152 My husband wandered in for a few minutes but left saying "Hillary had those questions ahead of time. Listen to her answers, they're memorized ". I think he was right.
Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:55 PM (HBU7W)


No question that most of her talk was memorized little speeches; Ace called that out early. I think you're right about the questions, though. She didn't need the slightest pause after one of the Holt questions to launch right into one of her speeches. For some other stuff, she would pause, construct some awkward segue, and then launch into the memorized stuff.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (iMxBJ)

176 Brian Williams already peddling the idea that Donald is gonna duck outta the next two debates.

John Pedestal being interviewed to fan the same flames.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (21hN3)

177 165 Posted by: trump'snonexistantcampaignads at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (7ZD47)

Luntz had Romney winning the election based on the 1st debate sport.

Go f**k a chainsaw.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (SzZnW)

178 Hillary has more practice, but also gets to just retell the same old leftist story.

Trump is change candidate, and that gets a lot more complicated, in understanding the change, and then explaining the change.

Having the moderator on her side helped a lot, and Holt obeyed all those that were instructing him to attack Trump. oh well ... I think Trump is fine after this ... he is a change agent, not a veteran political hack that will just say anything. (but yeah, hope he gets focused more for the next two debates)

Prediction ... polls keep moving in Trump's direction.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (n6rAX)

179 Caller on C-Span: "it wasn't fair that Trump talked about Chicago!"

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (GUBah)

180 I'd like to see Trump respond to Hillary's "The Deal We Signed" with "Which deal"?

The one you bally-hooed at the time or the one that was subsequently reported --- you know, the side deals, the lack of inspection, the stuff that came out later, after the victory speech.

Lester knows what I'm talkin' about ... don't you, Lester.

Always do the follow-up reporting, that's the key to being an ace reporter, isn't it Lester? Always follow-up.

And in that regard you're aces, Lester. Top notch.

Thanks to your reporting on Iran I learned that Hillary's a lying scrunt - your term, not mine.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (om8sC)

181 You think Lester paid any attention to the Matt Lauer shitkicking

Posted by: ajlfour at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (5pCl+)

182 It's hard for me to judge but I thought Hillary appeared unlikeable and Trump appeared human.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (Om16U)


The small bit I saw Hillary looked liked she was really cranked. I mean, like she was about to try to disassemble her podium mike

But I hate that b* and would say bad things about her if she acted like June Cleaver

Posted by: Kindltot at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (KOBAq)

183 Hillary nailed him on the nuclear arms and temperament aspect which is probably his biggest weakness. He hit her best on being a lifelong politician but not much past that

Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (/22Vh)

184 171 This makes me feel a little better, ace.

Wish I could stay up for the ONT but this "29" year old needs her beauty sleep.

Goodnight all.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 10:56 PM (xpSCc

You might need sleep, but it isn't for beauty.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (voOPb)

185 Sounds like she came off as a typical talking point politician and he came off as a non-politician.

Going by that description.

Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (qUNWi)

186 Didn't watch, but didn't expect much. Too many people were calling this as being Ragnarok, and that generally means it won't be. When it is, you won't see it coming.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (Pby3z)

187 Lester Holt is dog spit. The man may as well be on Hillary's payroll.

Who the hell in the RNC ever agrees to do anything with NBC? They are the sine qua non of progressive corruption in America today.

Posted by: Onlooker at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (1kjZB)

188 "Nothing was off limits," Megyn? Really?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (ODkrH)

189 It does appear that Hillary had the questions beforehand, and was she reading from notes?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:54 PM (uI8Pr)


Watch her eyes, they appear to keep flicking down to the prepared notes on the lecturn!

I knew that the fix was in as soon as GOP Lester said the questions hadn't been seen by anyone!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (wCEn4)

190 I disagree with Ace - Trump lost pretty badly. She came across far better to the fence straddlers. It'll hurt him in the polls tomorrow. Too bad - he could have put her away - but too be expected. He'll still win.

Posted by: jacke at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (fO+6C)

191 I'm disappointed he didn't nail her to the wall on cybersecurity, and he should have just pointed out he was a private citizen at the time of the Iraq war. His opinion didn't send anyone to war, but her vote did.

Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (/O5Ax)

192 184 Hillary nailed him on the nuclear arms and temperament aspect which is probably his biggest weakness. He hit her best on being a lifelong politician but not much past that
Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 10:58 PM (/22Vh)


How is that his biggest weakness compared to her? Did he ever throw a lamp at anyone's head?

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (iMxBJ)

193 My wife, who is a LIV, said that it seemed like Trump was a man child arguing with an adult. At times, it did seem that way. I wish he would have hit her hard on emails and the fact that she supported a deal giving the number one supporter/enabler of terrorism (Iran) nukes but he fucking floundered it. I don't have high hopes.

Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (+NedX)

194 Fish don't fry in the kitchen

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (+b2T3)

195 I hope DJ gives a middle finger to the RNC hack handlers and returns to his "Gotta be me" style for the next debate. Like a political Jaque Pepin: A coarse Foundation chop followed by a whirl in the Rape-Enabler processor, 30 seconds in a 12 inch Uranium2Russia skillet and a high temperature deglaze with Benghazi. Garnish with Whitewater, a sprig of Sandy Berger Pants, and served. Icy. Effing. Cold. Twenty minutes, and time to make a quick Fed Flambe' with a NatSoc Health Care sauce. "Hippy Cook - king!"

Posted by: Nosegay of Deplorables at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (EIJH/)

196 If you're a moderator and you're being hit by both sides for being unfair then you did a good job. If you're a moderator and you're being lauded by both sides for being fair then you did a good job. If one side is singing your praises while the other is calling foul then you shit the bed.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (jq0uP)

197 beans don't burn on the grill

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (rwI+c)

198 One other thing.. Hillary called on the "factcheckers" to check Trump's replies at least twice. Trump never called on anyone to check out Hillary.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JBggj)

199
trump's criticisms of the problems are legitimate, but his solutions offer little more than slogans. too superficial and lacking enough depth to peel away any clinton supporters methinks.


clinton supporters aren't ever going to get peeled away, policy proposals or not.


clinton did provide policy details but they come across as the same sort of expensive sink hole programs we've seen for decades. her supporters will be encouraged but not much more than that.


For all the continued faith put in having a candidate put out policy papers as though they will be read and digested, can anyone name one proposal from a past election from a winner or a loser? No? Gawd, Mitt's policy proposals numbered in the many dozens and who gave a royal rat's ass one way or another?

Sloganeering has won more elections and lost more elections than any policy proposal. Like it or not, there it is.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (BK3ZS)

200 bottom line: we must defeat the hill

Posted by: concrete girl at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JY0LF)

201 Took a whole lot of trying

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (+b2T3)

202 Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 10:57 PM (iMxBJ)
I think she memorized modules. Whatever subject comes up she repeats her talking points. Someone up thread said she's playing for the sound bites to be repeated on the chat shows and the news.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (Q5Ymk)

203 President Al Gore won debates against Bush... that was awesome

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (c6/9Q)

204
Sounds like she came off as a typical talking point politician and he came off as a non-politician.
---

Which I think works well.

I'm tired of career politicians, so Trump as an Outsider totally works for me. Has worked from the beginning.

Policy wonk vs. Businessman is an OK strategy, since right now, congress has the lowest rating in history.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (tvyXw)

205 " Fish don't fry in the kitchen"

'Your dreams are your ticket out'.

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (It7Oy)

206 If one side is singing your praises while the other is calling foul then you shit the bed.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (jq0uP)

Yep.

Like I said in the last thread, that asshole is never going to have to buy drinks again.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (egK2C)

207 Hillary nailed him on the nuclear arms and temperament aspect which is probably his biggest weakness

This worked against Goldwater.

This does not inspire me with confidence.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (s/vC3)

208 He didn't do as well as I hoped, but he didn't blow it either.

The media will say she won, but we all knew that going in.

He did too much scowling and rambling, and was too defensive, while she almost went full Joe Biden with her constant smirking and derisive laughter. (And why not? It worked for Biden.)

Someone pointed out that Trump was stronger near the beginning, and that might matter. Only political junkies watched the whole thing. The average LIV probably tuned out after a while.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (sdi6R)

209 If I score the debate based upon the set of prior presidential debates that I have seen, I think that Hillary (sad to say) came out on top. Her stuff was rehearsed, but it won her the debate on points.

But she didn't really score any knockout blows either. Trump flubbed several golden opportunities to strike, but he didn't make any real major slips.

I'm disappointed because I wanted to see Hillary laid low in all of her decrepitude, but I have no idea how the debate looks generally, to the people that matter, in the battleground states. Trump looks more authentic, I think. Hillary's canned statements make her look like "more of the same," but if that's what you want, I think your mind is made up already.

Holt was abominable. All of the questions were attacks on Trump. Nothing directly attacking Hillary. The purported "fact checking," including the one on Iraq, was terrible. He allowed Hillary to skate, even gave a shout out to her in a question about Hillary being the first female on the stage, etc. I'm sure the news crews around the world are very happy with his performance.

But in the end, they aren't the people that matter, either.


Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (3DSAh)

210 Trump never called on anyone to check out Hillary.
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JBggj)

---

He doesn't need to.

Everyone knows that FAB lies like a rug.

Posted by: SMFH at my deplorable self... at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (rlfds)

211 80 She lost the likability factor.

Posted by: Knaws at September 26, 2016 10:47 PM (yB+wk)

***********

That is the big take-away from this. No matter how slick her answers were, she still came across as unlikable.

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (NqQAS)

212 One other thing.. Hillary called on the "factcheckers" to check Trump's
replies at least twice. Trump never called on anyone to check out
Hillary.
--

If he did, he'd be called a bully.

Whatever he did, he'd be a bully.

/once again, lots can happen before the election.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (tvyXw)

213 202 I think she memorized modules. Whatever subject comes up she repeats her talking points. Someone up thread said she's playing for the sound bites to be repeated on the chat shows and the news.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:00 PM (Q5Ymk)


Yes. There was one attempted sound bite she liked a lot, and repeated. It had the word "trump" in it, but even with the repetition I can't remember what it was, so I'm guessing it wasn't as catchy as she and her handlers thought.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (iMxBJ)

214 What clips did Trump give the media to play over and over to the LIV's?

The Clinton Media Complex has a narrative set for him... that he is negative and petty... and he didn't play into it.

Big picture, folks.

Posted by: Mega at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (EdXI9)

215 In retrospect, I should have started reading "The Post Captain" tonight as I still have 20 books to go (21 if I add "A Sea of Words", which I should)/

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (wCEn4)

216 We tease him a lot but we got him on the spot

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (+b2T3)

217 >>Neither did a very good job. But Trump did a slightly better job at is job than she did at hers.

You had me up until here. I think Hillary one tonight.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (/tuJf)

218 207 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (s/vC3)

It fills me to the brim with confidence.

We are either going to submit to the caliphate on her watch or eat a nuke....

then all bets are off.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (SzZnW)

219 I did notice her looking down a lot at the lectern. It would not surprise me if she had notes. Nothing surprises me with her and her lapdogs, err, media.

Posted by: turambar at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (JtIBD)

220 Lester Holt disgraced himself. He was like Candy Crowley times twelve.

Given that, Trump did okay. Wish he'd done better. Didn't hurt us who go out to volunteer for him, so, there's that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (6FqZa)

221 218 Posted by: trump'snonexistantcampaignads at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (7ZD47)

Yup I loved how well prepared Mitt was back in '12 sport...

you got the two stroke oil yet?

You've a chainsaw to f**k.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (SzZnW)

222 now FOX has their crew that all have animus against Trump ... great.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (n6rAX)

223 Nothing has changed: Trump is a bombastic narcissist and Her Majesty is an oily corruptocrat... Q.E.D.

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki, Certified Deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (kP16F)

224 Also did you all notice that she never once took a sip of water?

The woman cannot swallow without choking.

definite health problem

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (Om16U)

225 Actually that was one thing I thought Trump did well: challenging her without coming close to the "how dare you bully a woman" line. I think he was restraining himself to avoid that. Maybe too much.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (iMxBJ)

226 All I've heard for the paat week is warnings from every pundit on both sides of the aisle that Trump MUST not give the slightest appearance of being a bully or being aggressive toward Hillary because she is a woman. Her Republican opponent in her Senate race said its why he lost to her. So it sounds like he DID listen to advice. Maybe he needs to be himself. Isn't this muzzling of the candidate what McCain's team did to Palin?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (x22hQ)

227 I'm tired of career politicians, so Trump as an Outsider totally works for me. Has worked from the beginning.



A fair point. I think trump excited his supportes more. In an intensity election trump has the advantage and tonight didn't change it.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (5UjEE)

228 won. Time for sleep apparently,

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (/tuJf)

229 I said in the last thread Hillary needed a win and I figured it was because Hillary is supposed to be so awesome and Trump so insane.
As she is supposed to be so awesome and experienced she should have had him foaming at the mouth, right?

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (hVdx9)

230 Yes. There was one attempted sound bite she
liked a lot, and repeated. It had the word "trump" in it, but even with
the repetition I can't remember what it was, so I'm guessing it wasn't
as catchy as she and her handlers thought.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:03 PM (iMxBJ)
--It was like "Trump trickle down" or something. It was a bad phrase. "Trickle down economics" is before the time of most of the voters that she's looking for.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (3DSAh)

231 Holy shit, it's Cam from Modern Family.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (ODkrH)

232 Trump is not a good debater, but he wasn't a good debater in the primaries either.

I think what will dictate whether this was a win for Trump or not is how many people saw through the bias.

This was without question one of the most blatantly rigged and one sided debate in favor of the democrat that I have ever seen. I have no doubt Lester Dolt met with Hillary's campaign privately to put this all together in order to maximize the damage against Trump.

If this is truly a change election, a lot of undecideds will have come away pissed off that they learned nothing about how jobs will be created and only that Trump is a big meanie.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (5JBUT)

233 Jack, yeah, I agree, Hillary won, but not by much. It wasn't a knockout.

When Kerry in 2004 stated he was going to be against nuclear proliferation, and waffled about a global test - that was a knockout. Self-inflicted.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (6FqZa)

234 Well, look at it this way:

Bronco Bama is the mummer's farce that precedes the Long Dark Winter.

Grid your Lions, it's gonna get weird.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (Jvy2x)

235

I for one welcome our Lizeroid Overseers and the confiscation of our gold, steel, lead and land; as well as the implantation of our God Chip in our upper-outer cerebral cortex!

Hitlery Uber Alles!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (nIGPZ)

236 Hillary had the opportunity to attack all of Donald's obvious vulnerabilities.

His wealth, his business, his tax returns. Yada, yada, yada.

So what happens next?

She attacked the obvious targets, now what?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (S6Pax)

237 Can anyone remember Hilary referring to a specific State?

Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (ngn8T)

238 Hillary's allergic to water.

Is the problem.

Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (qUNWi)

239 let's not forget a weir shimmy she did - that was something...odd

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (c6/9Q)

240 weird !

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (c6/9Q)

241 I think all Trump had to do was not look like a complete lunatic or loose cannon that we'd never want to have the nuclear codes.
He achieved that. The LIV aren't paying attention yet it's still September. They may say they watched, but I doubt it.
The Voice and dancing with the stars are more important to them.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (Q5Ymk)

242 Public also thinks Trump won.

Posted by: Justsayin at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (WLd2b)

243 215 Hrothgar de Plorabble
Read Sea of Words first!

Posted by: jacke at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (fO+6C)

244 If someone had found my list of errands I needed to run, they would have thought I was planning a crime spree. Realized it after I was done.

Pick up gun
Go to bank
Hit Pharmacy
Go to mom's

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (hVdx9)

245 There was not a chance that Trump could "put Hillary away". She lies as smoothly as her husband does. In a 90 minute "debate", all the viewers can do is listen and make their own judgements. Trump forced Hillary, "the greatest candidate for the office since Thomas Jefferson" to respond to his accusations. She didn't look great to me.

And the whole birther thing. What a waste of time for the electorate, but just one more thing to use against Trump, but not against Hillary, whose people pushed Obama birtherism as hard as anyone else.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (JBggj)

246 --It was like "Trump trickle down" or something. It was a bad phrase. "Trickle down economics" is before the time of most of the voters that she's looking for.
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (3DSAh)

Trump tickle down!
tee hee hee

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (Om16U)

247 238 Hillary's allergic to water.

Is the problem.
Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (qUNWi)

She gots the hydrophobia? Where's Atticus?

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (Jvy2x)

248 How do you figure this? The woman who is supposedly "the most experienced person to ever run for president" merely had to SURVIVE, and the neophyte derided as a total maniac and incompetent had to WIN against such a juggernaut?

Regardless of where the polls currently stand, Trump is still the underdog. A tie is a loss for Trump and a win for Clinton.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (KRwzj)

249 @splunge- It was the only thing Hillary said that actually made sense to me.

Ultimately, I can't hate HRC anymore than I already do, but I liked Trump less after watching him talk the last 1.5 hours

Posted by: Backtoga at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (/22Vh)

250 >>Jack, yeah, I agree, Hillary won, but not by much. It wasn't a knockout.

Not at all. And I do think Holt was far harder on him than he was on Hillary and I think this stuff backfires.

People don't trust the media and they are tired of the bias. Unless you are in the tank for Hillary I don't know how anyone could miss the slant.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (/tuJf)

251
I didn't watch so can't say anything about actual debate, but some of what people were saying we knew: she probably had the questions ahead of time, Holt would ask questions that favored hillary and he would interrupt Trump, the audience would be stacked, and the msm would declare her the victor before it even started and would do so with a pre planned message.

All entirely predictable and the next one will be the same.

The one thing that bugs me is that I thought Trump would have fought for fair moderators. Repubs always fail at this.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (ODxAs)

252 Somebody said before the debate that Trump was going to use a rope-a-dope strategy. Maybe he made her overconfident tonight, and will come out guns blazing in the next debate. I can hope, anyway.

But on the other hand, could Hillary's "health problems" have been a deliberate rope-a-dope strategy against Trump? As in, she was faking it? Just throwing that out there.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (sdi6R)

253 Hillary came across as a goody-goody. A little too slick and polished.

People watching the debate have to be wondering who the real Hillary is. They know who the real Donald is.

That's what Trump meant when he said she didn't look like a President. She doesn't look authentic. She doesn't because she isn't.

Posted by: Onlooker at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (1kjZB)

254 Anytime Hillary speaks she loses.

Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (qUNWi)

255 Wow, I'm gonna buy futures in cosmetics. They really troweled it on ol' Granny Rictus there. She was barely visible behind that mask. Why does she want to look younger anyway? Just vanity, or does she think it sells better?

Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (cm1Bl)

256 251 Did any of you watch Shrillary after the debate? She had to be helped to one spot to shake hands and Bill had to help her off stage.
Posted by: GrampyB at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (YLidQ)


Missed that

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (Om16U)

257 And the whole birther thing. What a waste of time for the electorate, but just one more thing to use against Trump, but not against Hillary, whose people pushed Obama birtherism as hard as anyone else.
Posted by: mrp

Interesting that Holt brought that up. Good thing the moderator is an objective personality.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (S6Pax)

258 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Matt Lauer at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (qJhUV)

259 I hope people who aren't in Hillary's tank noticed that Holt's "questions" about tax returns and the birther issue were bullshit, just traps laid out for Trump whilst Hillary got a free pass.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (6FqZa)

260 Ok, to sum up the public job interview.


Trump would still be great to have a beer with. Hillary - not bangable.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (/NlFx)

261 >>People don't trust the media and they are tired of the bias. Unless you are in the tank for Hillary I don't know how anyone could miss the slant.


I can hear you, you know.


Posted by: Heidi Chong at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (It7Oy)

262 Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:04 PM (Om16U)
She looked drugged. Her eyes don't look clear or bright.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (Q5Ymk)

263
I knew that the fix was in as soon as GOP Lester said the questions hadn't been seen by anyone!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 10:59 PM (wCEn4)

------

Hell he even did a big wink with his right eye towards Hillary.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (uI8Pr)

264 I was for Trump from the beginning (there were a few people in there I liked) and I thought he lost every debate I saw. The cringing I did. This was much better. Lost opportunities he will take advantage next time.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (iWW0H)

265 I think what will dictate whether this was a win for Trump or not is how many people saw through the bias.


This was without question one of the most blatantly rigged and one
sided debate in favor of the democrat that I have ever seen. I have no
doubt Lester Dolt met with Hillary's campaign privately to put this all
together in order to maximize the damage against Trump.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:05 PM (5JBUT)



I was never a Trump fan, but I was still embarrassed at the way the moderators attacked him in the first Republican debate. Looks like the MFM hasn't learned.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (VfYeS)

266 How do you figure this? The woman who is supposedly "the most experienced person to ever run for president" merely had to SURVIVE, and the neophyte derided as a total maniac and incompetent had to WIN against such a juggernaut?

Regardless of where the polls currently stand, Trump is still the underdog. A tie is a loss for Trump and a win for Clinton.

Posted by: Hollowpoint
****

Sorry. Don't agree. I think you have it backwards.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (hVdx9)

267 I thought it was fascinating, and I thought it was two very different debates. It reminded me of a boxing match. You had an experienced old pro and a young stud. Stud comes out throwing haymakers and other nonsense, and experienced pro easily deflects those and fights a reliable fight. But in the second half, young stud starts to figure it out, and old pro starts getting tired. Hillary was tired the last half hour.

If - and I mean IF - Trump sets down with his trainers and corner men, watches the fight film, and learns where he wasted energy and missed opportunities, he could knock her out. I think this was a draw. And I think the challenger will be drooling for the rematch.

Posted by: Vertov at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (Aam1A)

268 Bottom line from tonight's debate: Hillary won the battle on points but Trump proved he was an acceptable alternative to be President therefore he won the war.
Hillary couldn't knock out Trump. Her job was to prove that he was totally unfit to be president. She didn't do that. Instead, she only highlighted policy differences. Trump got to stand as an equal on the stage and that's bad news for Hillary going forward.
Trump missed some golden opportunities to bring up illegal immigration, the Clinton Foundation and Pay for Play. He got flummoxed on his taxes and was weak on the racial question when he could have simply said the best way to beat racism is with JOBS! However, none of these made him look "unfit" to be president as Hillary is trying to convince everyone.
Lester Holt was a totally biased moderator. He constantly went after Trump for clarification and only once after Hillary. He tried to nail Trump on the Hillary looks issue and asked Hillary nothing even close to that hard a question. The mainstream media will be very happy with Lester's performance tonight.

Posted by: Dale at September 26, 2016 11:09 PM (3SUJT)

269 So questions on Birthers, temperment, etc. And nothing on the clinton foundation and barely a mention of the emails

Posted by: Tofer732 at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (PJMpr)

270 I can't stand Trump or Clinton and wasn't going to vote for either (voting for Johnson instead). I think Trump won the first half and Clinton rallied at the end but Trump did better overall since he came across as sane, reasonable, but still outside the system. Made several mistakes though. Clinton sounded like the weasel politician she is but no big blunders. I would consider voting for Trump after the debate as long as he can keep his sh*t together and not act like a lunatic. If he could swing some Johnson voters (6.5-7% per Nate Silvers) over to his side he could certainly tighten up the race. The host lost - both Trump and Clinton stepped all over his face repeatedly - that was fun.

Posted by: markytom at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (G1meD)

271 Unless you are in the tank for Hillary I don't know how anyone could miss the slant.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:07 PM (/tuJf)

Already the Hillary bots are saying that Lester HAD to interrupt Trump because he was so WRONG all of the time.

There's and excuse for all sorts of asshatery if you are a true believer, apparently.

Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (cm1Bl)

272 Trump made lots of errors -- I can't believe he brought up taking the oil again, for example -- but Hillary's goal here was to disqualify him.

I didn't see the debate. What did he say?

The fact is that all threats from the arab/persian/muslim world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields. And the correct way of dealing with Iraq would have been, after that very successful lightning invasion and destruction of Iraqi forces, to take the oil fields and leave the iraqis to run around in the desert stabbing each other in the ass, as arabs are wont to do.

I hope that that's what Trump said because that is the correct answer and the only way to address the threats from the APM world. So long as the arabs and persians have control of the gulf oil fields (that they stole in the forced nationalizations of the mid 20th century - STOLE) they will remain serious threats to all of civilization. That is a simple fact.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:10 PM (zc3Db)

273 I didn't watch it, as I have an allergy to hearing politicians talking. But all this stuff about Clinton choking up, dying on stage, Trump tearing her to bits, etc. was just fantasizing.

Debates are a negative device. Passionate followers chew over every word said and every expression, looking for a mistake. The question for Trump was: did he sound like an out-of-control lunatic. No? Then don't fuss too much.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (J8/9G)

274 Yes, the birthed question was brought up. Under which of the three sections did it pertain to?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (uI8Pr)

275 It was a draw. Hillary delivered her well-polished bullshit while Trump did his rambling alpha male dominance thing. The winner depends on which personality you identify with.


I hate that Trump doesn't explain his positions better, but he clearly thinks it's more important to fill airtime and it's worked for him so far.


Hillary does that MMA thing of fake smiling when your opponent lands a good shot to pretend it's no big deal.


Posted by: schizoid at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (I80+E)

276 254, you're completely right. He only had to speak for 12 to 15 minutes in the GOP debates for 20 seconds at a time and it only got him 35% of the vote. This is the general election. He needs to talk for 45 minutes, now, and reach 45% to 50% of the while country.

Posted by: rexbatt at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (woA40)

277 The Trump campaign needs to use some of her sound bites against her. She basically called Trump a racist, our justice system racist and basically inferring this a racist country.

Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (5v4w4)

278 Trump didn't fling poo at the audience and Hillary didn't die on stage. Most certainly a tie.

Posted by: Hamarabe at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (Dv14z)

279 Someone reminded me that in the first Obama-Hillary debate Barack agreed a lot with Hillary.

It might be a path for the young unproven to show that he is as acceptable as the experienced pro.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (Om16U)

280 252 But on the other hand, could Hillary's "health problems" have been a deliberate rope-a-dope strategy against Trump? As in, she was faking it? Just throwing that out there.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (sdi6R)


Wait. She's been having coughing fits since 2005, repeated falls, a major concussion, wore weird glasses for 6 months, hematoma, needed help with stairs, and she collapsed like a sack of rotted potatoes on camera, and this was all part of a grand strategy? A ruse? Because that would help her become President?

You're going to need to shore that one up a bit. Not seeing the vision.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)

281 Oh -- and Trump's best part (by far) was when he was discussing african-americans in the inner city. Really good stuff there, and I thought Hillary didn't quite know what to do with it.

Of course, Holt comes back with the stupid birther questions.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (3DSAh)

282 Lester Holt, you're a Great American!

Wait, what?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (S6Pax)

283 Hillary won this debate hands down.

The key for me to this debate is would Donald be able to paint and draw Hillary out as a Left wing Radical and a repeat of Buraq Ohama. He didn't come close.

None of Hillary's responses were radical; they were measured, even handed, well researched, well rehearsed and never inflammatory like you would see from Obama.

If Trump was a true conservative, he would have known where to hit her in her radical views, but he is not anything close to being a conservative; he is blowhard blue-collar leftie at hear - so he couldn't do it.

Except for some of his criticism of the Iran Deal, he didn't lay a glove on her.

She hit him badly on his lack of tax disclosure, making him instead of her seem like the slimy one (instead of her) and casting him as the one with something to hide.

Trump's stupid boasts about his great business empire had no substance, and so Hillary was even able to cast doubt on his business acumen.

Trump should have gone after Obama's Leftist and unconstitutional policies in detail and forced Hillary to defend them, but he is a lazy spoiled brat and couldn't be bothered to do his homework.


But the real issue was would Hillary be Obama II. Trump, to nail down the conservative vote, had to show Hillary's leftist views would be a definite threat to the nation and how his much more conservative approach would really 'make America Great again". But except his lazy "bring back Law and Order" slogan, there was nothing conservative he said to hang your hat on.

It was Hillary with her attack on his NATO comments and his comments on giving the Saudi's and Japan nukes that made Donald seem like loose cannon wild Leftist nut job instead of herself.

Time and again she went out of her way to say things like she would defend our allies, defend American interests, and stand up to bullies. Things that were nearly impossible for anyone to get Obama ever to say. She seemingly sought to reassure the middle and even the right that her Administration would not be Obama II.

Furthermore, Hillary physical appearance was much stronger than I anticipated, and Trump was not able to exploit her health problems even though he tried.

Posted by: Unsk at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (DUgBb)

284 Hillary did not win. That thing she did on stage was not a win, and that was the best she can do. Trump can get better, tonight he did not do anything that he has not done before or did not say before, that was not heard by people already, and accepted as part of who he is.

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (c6/9Q)

285 252 Somebody said before the debate that Trump was going to use a rope-a-dope strategy. Maybe he made her overconfident tonight, and will come out guns blazing in the next debate. I can hope, anyway.

But on the other hand, could Hillary's "health problems" have been a deliberate rope-a-dope strategy against Trump? As in, she was faking it? Just throwing that out there.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable

Have another look at the 911 video. All dope, no rope.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iWW0H)

286 >>Ace: I can't believe he brought up taking the oil again, for example


Trump has a great point, something I was arguing for at the time. But I do wish he would take the time to explain it.

The oil reserves in Iraq are one of greatest concentrations of wealth in the world. As soon as we took possession of it, we should have placed it in a trust and used the proceeds to cover 100% of the costs of the coalition in occupying and pacifying and standing up a new government in Iraq. It is ludicrous that the US taxpayer footed the bill for all that. How incredibly frustrating it was to watch all that US treasure pissed down a creek.

Structured and defined properly, such a trust would NOT have violated the Geneva Convention.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (fgOnp)

287 So as I'm watching, the crowd had some reactions to both. Lester let it go with Hillary. Once Trump got a reaction about the e-mails? "Hey now keep it down."

Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (bMG0w)

288 255 Wow, I'm gonna buy futures in cosmetics. They really troweled it on ol' Granny Rictus there. She was barely visible behind that mask. Why does she want to look younger anyway? Just vanity, or does she think it sells better?
Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:08 PM (cm1Bl)

She looked 1,000 times better than 9/11 - she's a woman, it counted and she looked very good, still can't stand her.

Posted by: firehorse at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (//TVq)

289 Tofer732 : don't forget that CockHoltSter didn't ask the question about the emails. It was in the course of grilling Trump about his tax returns, so Trump had to bring it up himself.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (6FqZa)

290 test

Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (tWFOf)

291 It doesn't sound like she energized the BLM crews very much. May have to give them a few days off.

Posted by: t-bird at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (ZxmMG)

292 Looking at people's comments here, I wonder if the following is wishful thinking:

Trump has made a point of attacking media bias against him. By being a lot more passive in this debate and letting the moderator join Hillary's offensive against him, he demonstrates that as a fact.

He will be able to hammer at that in the next debates.

This would also jibe well with the theories that I've heard that he "act nice" to appear Presidential (this time) AND that he is holding back his good stuff for the future.

Maybe wishful thinking, but this performance was weak compared to the the moves his campaign has made over the last month

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (swEzU)

293
Yes. There was one attempted sound bite she liked a lot, and repeated. It had the word "trump" in it, but even with the repetition I can't remember what it was, so I'm guessing it wasn't as catchy as she and her handlers thought.


"Trumped up trickle down economics". Expect her MSM asskissers to try to make it fly, but it'll have no legs.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (BK3ZS)

294 Trump won. Anyone thinking otherwise is either anti-trump or were disappointed hoping for a major KO of Clinton.

Posted by: Its all good at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (WLd2b)

295 I think Trump lost ground on:

1) Fighting Isis all her life (??)
2) Not calling out Lester Holt more generally
3) Not putting more pressure on Hillary.

Maybe a missed opportunity. Or maybe conservatives fantasize about decisive battle too much. The war continues.

Posted by: trev006 at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (8BJD/)

296 Oh -- and Trump's best part (by far) was when he was discussing african-americans in the inner city. Really good stuff there, and I thought Hillary didn't quite know what to do with it.

Of course, Holt comes back with the stupid birther questions.
Posted by: Revenant


Funny, how that seemed so scripted.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (S6Pax)

297 Posted by: jacke at September 26, 2016 11:06 PM (fO+6C)

Hope you are right, I just ordered it from Amazon!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (wCEn4)

298 Posted by: Unsk at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (DUgBb)

another professor, care to introduce yourself ?

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (c6/9Q)

299 basically inferring this a racist country.
Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (5v4w4)

Inferring, my ass.

She said everyone is racist. Flat out.

Bitch said it with a straight face, too.

Projecting, I'm sure. And passionately.

Posted by: Deplorable tcn in AK at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (cm1Bl)

300 Trump did better at the beginning, particularly Republican voters I think would be happy.

Hillary's talking about hacking and a special prosecutor was a nice gift.

Posted by: MikeN at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (o/eHL)

301 I'm honestly shocked at all the polls showing that Trump won (not just Drudge or right-leaning sites)
as I thought it was pretty close to even, and I don't necessarily think he did all that great.

This certainly wasn't Romney's first debate which was an absolute knockout. But, it sounds like he certainly didn't lose any ground.

Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (F5hTl)

302 And the whole birther thing. What a waste of time for the electorate, but just one more thing to use against Trump, but not against Hillary, whose people pushed Obama birtherism as hard as anyone else.

Posted by: mrp


Questioning Barky's eligibility was the only decent thing the Clinton campaign did in 2008. It was Clinton's only legitimate point back then.

And Barky has still NEVER shown anything that determined that he is eligible to hold the office ... because he most likely isn't. Sheriff Joe's posse did a great investigation of that laughable jpeg he offered as a birth certificate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (zc3Db)

303 Well far ass Michael Moore said it's all over, Trump won. Wonder if the other side is also having as much angst as we are.

Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (vBpiM)

304 No one wants a 68-year-old hooker to have the nuclear codes.

http://gph.is/2dv7GXj

Posted by: batterup at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (mtGE/)

305 I read.a summary of the responses, and it sounds like Trump did fine. He didn't personally attack her, which irked many here, but was surely his strategy and seems smarter in the long run. She seemed to work hard to bait him into losing his cool, but failed.

Posted by: Deplorable LASue at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (wgFcF)

306 Don't understand people saying, "well, Trump stunk in the primary debates and it didn't hurt him," just ignoring the general electorate is much different.
*********************

Bush stunk as well and still won. We too easily accept debates as game changers because that's what the media wants us to believe so we'll watch it and feed their ratings.

One thing to note, Reagan was already ahead of Carter by the time he made that "There you go again" line.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (5JBUT)

307 I thought Trump did a good job in not letting the moderator do a Candy Crowley on him.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (Om16U)

308 100 million people just saw Hillary Clinton. That will only hurt her.

Posted by: Naes at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (Ypc8j)

309 18 Kellyanne told him to take the high road.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (zu88C

Yeah, the high road did not get him this far.

I think he may go with a Ban on style the next time.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (XGrlW)

310 Remember folks,

She's the best they've got.

He's what we got stuck with (no offense, but for a lot of us it is true).

Using the boxing metaphor, no knockouts tonight.
Trump was busy swinging at the ref ( sometimes rightfully so) and missed Hellary dropping her gloves and jutting her maw at him. So sad.

So now the match gets judged by the same refs...
Media will say Hellary won.
Trump better act like an athlete and watch the tape, see where he failed.
Did he lose? Idunno.

But he could have won.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (kKHcp)

311 and she called all white americans racists. what a douche. Lester, too.

Posted by: vivi at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (11H2y)

312 She said everyone is racist. Flat out.



Bitch said it with a straight face, too.



Projecting, I'm sure. And passionately.
---

well, we know that the witch, Obola, and pretty much all other Demonrats are racist, so why is this a surprise?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (Oan6c)

313 277 The Trump campaign needs to use some of her sound bites against her. She basically called Trump a racist, our justice system racist and basically inferring this a racist country.

Posted by: YatYas

She called everyone including herself a racist.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (iWW0H)

314 "far ass Michael Moore"

I guess that works too.

Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (qUNWi)

315 If Trump ever gets serious about running TV ads, there is some really funny stuff he could do with her debate answers.


And I think there is something to say for letting someone keep digging a hole for themselves if they don't want to stop.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (S6Pax)

316 I can understand Trump not understanding the minutiae of policy, but how does he not remember to attack on the emails?

Funny to read people trying to justify his bad performance.

He flat out lost.

Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (tWFOf)

317 The "looks" was brought up, what did that fall undrr?

Direction of America
Securing America
Achieving Prosperity

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (uI8Pr)

318 It is ludicrous that the US taxpayer footed the bill for all that. How incredibly frustrating it was to watch all that US treasure pissed down a creek.

I am convinced that was the price to get Europe to forgive Iraq's debts. Hussein had huge debt built up and when we took over we wanted the new Iraq free from his dictatorship to start out fresh. I'm certain that Europe said "OK but you pay for rebuilding since we're eating this cost (and we get a shot at the oil now baby!")

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (39g3+)

319 280
Wait. She's been having coughing fits since 2005, repeated falls, a major concussion, wore weird glasses for 6 months, hematoma, needed help with stairs, and she collapsed like a sack of rotted potatoes on camera, and this was all part of a grand strategy? A ruse? Because that would help her become President?

You're going to need to shore that one up a bit. Not seeing the vision.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)


Like I said, I was just throwing that out there to chew on. She didn't cough or stumble a bit tonight. She seemed completely in control.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (sdi6R)

320 I watched Zootipia on Netflix instead of the debate. It might have been more enlightening.

Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (ar2KI)

321 I thought she did a far superior job acting presidential, listening instead of interrupting, and creating an overall image of someone who is trustworthy and ready to become president.

Now before you all pounce on me -- and personally, I've got a fairly thick skin, so that doesn't upset me -- I am speaking strictly as a publicist. Publicity is my profession. My job is to make people look and sound better. Hillary prepped for this and just did a better job overall handling the debate. That doesn't mean I agree with her or her policies. I do not. But sometimes, we have to look at these things -- or at least try to -- as objectively as possible. He went off on numerous tangents, couldn't tie the thoughts together, and I think the audience got lost. He'll need to really do his homework for the next debate if he wants to beat her.

Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (q7eWh)

322 She said everyone is racist. Flat out.

She did, didn't she? Maybe that's Hillary's "global test". Trump can definitely use that against Clinton's faction of the Left.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (6FqZa)

323 all the policy crap that she droned about - no one cares. people care about stop and frisk more than her stupid talking points.

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (c6/9Q)

324 Unsk at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (DUgBb)

You, sir, are a professional. A consumate professional.

Are you, by chance, a journalist?

Do you happen to have a blog?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (s/vC3)

325 Sorry, fat ass Michael Moore! Not far ass..

Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (vBpiM)

326 I read.a summary of the responses, and it sounds like Trump did fine. He didn't personally attack her, which irked many here, but was surely his strategy and seems smarter in the long run. She seemed to work hard to bait him into losing his cool, but failed.
***********************

Trump has his base, he needs to peel away the mushy middle. I'm pretty sure all this requires of Trump is to not look or act insane.

How did Luntz's dunces rate it BTW? The undecideds were still leaning towards Trump midway through last i checked.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (5JBUT)

327 My support for SMOD was not swayed by this debate.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (KRwzj)

328 Also I hope the country heard what I did, which was one horribly grating strident voice versus a voice that can be modulated and sometimes pleasant.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (Om16U)

329 I didn't watch so can't say anything about actual debate

--------------------------------------------------------
Did someone make new rules?

Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (NUqwG)

330 Who let in all the fkin moby's and trolls?

Posted by: Esch at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (m75mf)

331 320 I watched Zootipia on Netflix instead of the debate. It might have been more enlightening.


Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (ar2KI)



You did get to learn what to call a camel with 3 humps.

Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (bMG0w)

332 Trump's lead advisor on foreign policy is still the Russophile, Kremlin-loving Carter Page. So if you want Trump to know better about foreign policy, you need him to dump his current advisors.

Posted by: TKYC at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (Enheb)

333 Everybody knows about crooked Hillary's email criminal acts. She completely unbelievable on cybersecurity. She had bad experience

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (uI8Pr)

334 00 million people just saw Hillary Clinton. That will only hurt her.


That's how I see it.

Posted by: eleven at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (qUNWi)

335 basically inferring this a racist country.

Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:11 PM (5v4w4)


"implying".

You infer from what the speaker implies.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (zc3Db)

336 319,
We must've watched two different events, then.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (C9pBZ)

337
I knew that the fix was in as soon as GOP Lester said the questions hadn't been seen by anyone!
Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble


The questions had been kept in a mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnalls porch.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (IqV8l)

338 My response to the ugly-why do you hate women question:

Lester, let me get this straight. Hillary engineered the sluts-and-nuts attack against women who claimed her husband sexually assaulted or harassed them. In court she savaged a little girl rape survivor as a favor to a friend. Heck, during her time in the Senate her female staffers got paid less than her male staffers and you're saying I hate women because I called a woman ugly?

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (hVdx9)

339 Hillary prepped for this and just did a better job overall handling the debate.
*****************

She didn't have to prep for this, she got the questions ahead of time. Guaranteed. Completely and disgustingly rigged.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (5JBUT)

340 Posted by: Unsk at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (DUgBb)


probably the stupid-ist dipsh*t comment I've ever read--anywhere, any time

Posted by: Billy Occam at September 26, 2016 11:17 PM (/542q)

341 Bush stunk as well and still won.

Because Kerry and Gore knocked themselves out which Hilllary, this time, didn't.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (6FqZa)

342 and that bit about reassuring our allies - who the f'ck cares, just made her look like she cares more about anybody but everyday Americans

(hope all the professors posting here are reading this...to take back to the mother ship)

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (c6/9Q)

343 Hillary was horribly unlikeable. That smug grin had me seething.

Trump was unprepared and missed many great opportunities to make Hillary look bad and put her on the defensive. Instead, he wasted time being defensive when he didn't even need to be defend himself. His pleas to "ask Sean Hannity" were cringe worthy.

I think he'll be more prepared next time.

Meanwhile, you Morons need to give me drinking tips. I may need to take up the sport.

Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (nvMvs)

344 The words "stop and frisk" do not need to come out of Trump's mouth ever again. I don't care if he's right, the public is too effing stupid.

Posted by: Marc at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (C2JRY)

345 Here's what I get, Hillary thinks the whole country
is racist. That raising taxes will create jobs and also she is the
status quo President.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (uI8Pr)


I must be getting old... all I remember is calling me racist.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (P/kVC)

346 I like that he stayed to work the spin room. Hope he got in some good bites. She of course treats un-scripted microphone encounters like Dracula treats crucifixes, and exited.

I feel a little better after reading Ace's comments, and yeah, this was just the first of 3. Really want to see him kneecap her in the next ones. Am I right or was there ZERO discussion of the Supreme Court? He'd missed another low hanging curve when she started in on her gungrabber talking points...


Aaaahhhhhh... fukkit I am just ready for SMOD. Glad this painful night is over. Maybe he just needed to get a few pops in the face in a 1 on 1 debate to convince him he needs to go into these with a *plan* just like he would if he was building a new hotel. Have her on the ropes halfway through and with more hammering blows waiting in reserve - like finishing ahead of schedule and under budget.

Posted by: moronhorde minion at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (cPdbv)

347 Like I said, I was just throwing that out there to chew on. She didn't cough or stumble a bit tonight. She seemed completely in control.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (sdi6R

Teresa Barnwell.

That is all.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (XGrlW)

348 So, no seizures? What a gyp.

Posted by: davidt at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (XoldI)

349 321 I thought she did a far superior job acting presidential, listening instead of interrupting, and creating an overall image of someone who is trustworthy and ready to become president.

Now before you all pounce on me -- and personally, I've got a fairly thick skin, so that doesn't upset me -- I am speaking strictly as a publicist. Publicity is my profession. My job is to make people look and sound better. Hillary prepped for this and just did a better job overall handling the debate. That doesn't mean I agree with her or her policies. I do not. But sometimes, we have to look at these things -- or at least try to -- as objectively as possible. He went off on numerous tangents, couldn't tie the thoughts together, and I think the audience got lost. He'll need to really do his homework for the next debate if he wants to beat her.
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (q7eWh)


I've been a Trump supporter from early on, and I agree with your assessment.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (sdi6R)

350 Hey, buzzion, what.... do.... you.... call...... a-camel-with-three-humps?

Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:19 PM (ar2KI)

351 Trump won. Anyone thinking otherwise is either anti-trump or were disappointed hoping for a major KO of Clinton.

Posted by: Its all good at September 26, 2016 11:13 PM (WLd2b)


Word.

Posted by: Mondale '84 Campaign at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (vBeA5)

352 I was watching that Star Wars marathon on TNT yesterday.

I'd forgotten what a prominent role Ace had in Return of the Jedi.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (ozZau)

353 343 Hillary was horribly unlikeable. That smug grin had me seething.
Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 26, 2016 11:18 PM (nvMvs)


Smug grin, yes, during the first part. But did you see the teeth-only rictus at the end? I think the batteries were going.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (iMxBJ)

354 Clear win for Trump.

The whole strategy was to get under his skin and provoke an outburst of temper that would prove his insanity and general unfitness. Didn't happen.

She was her usual screechy self, who no one likes.

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (Z8DIA)

355 "Hillary delivered the exact same message *that all of her ads are playing around the clock.* The viewer really got no new information on that front."


That's the comforting part in this. Put that together with her being rude and condescending, and maybe she doesn't gain anything.

One concern is that her polls dropped in part, I think, because of her fainting episode. From what I saw, she came across as doing OK, healthwise. If anything, Trump was sniffling a bit. So the LIVs might get the impression she's fine, after all.


I basically concur with Ace on Trump's performance, but I would add a few things:
1) Hillary was in denial that NAFTA has hurt, and that may play VERY poorly in the battleground states
2) Hillary was actually painting a picture of everything being kind of wonderful and happy in the black community. Could that help Trump with blacks?
3) Moderator went into heavy Candy Crowley mode, and Trump did not defer like a puppy the way Romney did.


Overall, Trump missed many opportunities to really hurt Hillary, and got caught up in some stuff that he needed to scrape off more quickly, and maybe he just has some bad advice on that. But on that score, he was respectful, and she was definitely NOT. We'll see if there's a double standard on that.

It didn't seem decisive to me, but it's hard to tell how Independents - who are the only ones that matter - will respond to all that went on. Different people will pick up on different things. Hillary tried a new zinger that sounded completely lame. She took the low road on some things (Trump didn't go there), and we'll see if she gets away with it. Trump took some swipes, and we'll see if they resonated.

Hillary seemed validated - nothing much on how much of a criminal she is, nothing revealing about her health issues. that could help her. Trump didn't disqualify himself with anything, i don't think. He hung in there. I don't know if he helped himself, but he probably didn't hurt himself much, if at all, either.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (EnK/R)

356 I am convinced that was the price to get Europe to forgive Iraq's debts. Hussein had huge debt built up and when we took over we wanted the new Iraq free from his dictatorship to start out fresh. I'm certain that Europe said "OK but you pay for rebuilding since we're eating this cost (and we get a shot at the oil now baby!")

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (39g3+)


That was another mistake. Why should iraq have benefited from becoming a threat to us? The "new" iraq was just iraq and should not have gotten any relief from debts that it accrued, in addition to having the oil fields retaken from them.

Bush totally fucked up just about everything in that war, which was won so quickly it was one for the history books.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (zc3Db)

357 303 Well far ass Michael Moore said it's all over, Trump won. Wonder if the other side is also having as much angst as we are.
Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (vBpiM)

---------------------------------------------------------------

I just looked at his twitter feed...you are right, Moore is not pleased. That is why I am getting the "punt" feeling about this debate. It is clear they did not make Trump look like "Hitler"...who knows.

Posted by: William Eaton at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (KhJh8)

358 Superpredator.

That's not going away

Posted by: Its all good at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (WLd2b)

359 The next debate I think I'm going to do something more worthwhile with my time.

Something like using a rusty spoon to remove my own gall bladder and replacing it with an angry squirrel before sewing up the wound and watching to see how long it takes to chew its way out.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (KRwzj)

360 Ok, we need our own talking points:

Hillary has an obvious health problem - can't drink water, rapid blinking, looked wobbly after debate.

Hillary was unlikable and strident.

Hillary obviously knew what the questions were ahead of time.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (Om16U)

361 Still hoping the tax returns are a rope-a-dope.

Yuge contributions. That benefited minorities. And fat women.

That reminds me. The line about who hacked the DNC. Could have been some four hundred pound person laying in their bed.

He must not care about the four hundred pound plus vote.
I'm sure Hillary does. She's the bees knees.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (4bjXi)

362 To a smaller extent, this reminds me of the 1980 debates.
We didn't have the "interwebs" back then.
I, however, was a member of "Appletalk" (which became AOL, which disappeariated).
That required a 4800 baud modem.

Posted by: deplorable jwb7605 at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (DofIg)

363 a-camel-with-three-humps?


ha...ha...ha.

Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (/O5Ax)

364 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (39g3+)


Half of Europe's political and financial elites were compromised in the Oil-for-food scandal, the biggest financial scandal in history, bigger even than the Clinton Foundation.

We have been indulging the European financial elites for many years. Few understand even now how much saving European financial institutions from their own crappy due diligence in purchasing US mortgage bonds (which bore no USGov guarantees, by the way) was a motivating factor in the way the bailout was undertaken.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (fgOnp)

365 >>if he wants to beat her.


Who doesn't want to beat her?

And who are we talking about?

Posted by: Zombie Ike Turner at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (It7Oy)

366 319 280
Wait. She's been having coughing fits since 2005, repeated falls, a major concussion, wore weird glasses for 6 months, hematoma, needed help with stairs, and she collapsed like a sack of rotted potatoes on camera, and this was all part of a grand strategy? A ruse? Because that would help her become President?

You're going to need to shore that one up a bit. Not seeing the vision.
Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)

Like I said, I was just throwing that out there to chew on. She didn't cough or stumble a bit tonight. She seemed completely in control.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (sdi6R)

Her eyes were doing the crazy thing again tonight....Moving, but not always in tandem...

Posted by: LA ette, lakeside lurker at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (Xw3uA)

367 Correct The Record folks are out in force along with their brothers #NeverTrumpers.

Like Ace alluded to and what kissed me off was how obvious it was Lester Holt was leading and driving the narrative for Hillary to follow.

Birds of a feather and all that shit.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (XGrlW)

368 Thank you, Ace. Good thoughts on the debate.

Posted by: Emily at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (QtkD6)

369 Interesting. She actually called out the majority of Americans racist and some here want to say she was presidential?

So nicely creased pants matter most?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (C9pBZ)

370 I think we're all downgrading Trump's performance because he missed the obvious softball on cybersecurity but mostly he did well. Hillary helped herself a bit by not having a seizure or coughing fit on camera. However Trump's final volley "yeah she has a lot of experience but it's all bad" was very strong.

Posted by: FOAF at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (p0JMG)

371 Did anyone mention her 5-o'clock shadow?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (ODkrH)

372 308 100 million people just saw Hillary Clinton. That will only hurt her.
Posted by: Naes at September 26, 2016 11:14 PM (Ypc8j)

OK - now THAT made me smile and I can go to bed happy.

Posted by: moronhorde minion at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (cPdbv)

373 >>Structured and defined properly, such a trust would NOT have violated the Geneva Convention.

How many troops you reckon it would take to occupy the Iraqi oil fields and export facilities? For decades mind you. No way would the public ever support that.

I also think putting an armed force in the middle of the Middle East to take the oil would likely result in the same thing that happened in Iran decades ago when we supported the Brits and their claim on Iranian oil. Short version, hasn't worked out that well.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (/tuJf)

374 Since I have kids and grand-kids, I've never been much of a real big SMOD fan, but I'm coming around!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (wCEn4)

375 354 it almost looked like he was getting under her skin. You could tell she was about to explode a few times.

Posted by: Marc at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (C2JRY)

376 @352

The only stuff I saw on TNT was Clones and Sith.

And, that ain't Star Wars.

Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (F5hTl)

377 Anyone know when Luntz is going to be on Fox? Wanna see him with his focus group.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (SUtNI)

378 Trump did better on the non-verbal level.

Hillary's facial expressions were only two: "I'm uncomfortable" or that mean smile that said "I'm about to stab you with a pre-planned zinger!"

On the body language level, she was unlikeable.

Meanwhile, on that same level, Trump refuted the "crazy" level.

Everyone heavily discounts what politicians actually say, so this stuff matters to a general audience.

Posted by: Piercello at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (756sI)

379 She actually called out the majority of Americans racist and some here want to say she was presidential?

Majority, hell, she said ALL Americans are racist.

Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:23 PM (/O5Ax)

380 This blog knows about as much about who "won" as the Vox folks. Gonna have to go talk to the "which month did you say the election was in?" folks out there who actually saw this and see what they think. They take this stuff in differently than us. But that's the only winning there was to be done tonight.

So go ask your aunt or cousin or random friend who usually doesn't follow this stuff but happened to be near a TV when it happened.

Posted by: The Governor at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (Ib5sz)

381 Thanks, Ace. I'm glad you watched so I didn't have to.

I don't pretend to know what should or should not occur in these things, and honestly, I don't think anybody does until reliable public opinion polls can be taken.

Should Trump attack? Should he be human? Does Hillory look good or bad when SHE attacks?

Hell if I know. I do want as objective a report as I can get though, so I appreciate the time and effort you put into it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (Pz4pT)

382 Give Hillary credit for prepping/rehearsing for this debate. She had points she wanted to make and lines she wanted on the news programs.

Trump didn't study, and he had no game plan.

Only issue he did well on was Trade.

And he was the one who seemed tired at the end, not Hillary.

This will be the last time GOP primary voters choose someone who "wings it."

Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (tWFOf)

383 People from this thread I'd hire to advise me on debates:
- Sassy
- Vertov

Not so much Its all good or Unsk (on opposite sides).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (6FqZa)

384 366 Her eyes were doing the crazy thing again tonight....Moving, but not always in tandem...
Posted by: LA ette, lakeside lurker at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (Xw3uA)


I saw that too. Subtler than in that one video, but present. Seemed like the left one (her left, not ours) was doing what it was supposed to, and the right one was going walkabout from time to time.

Posted by: Splunge at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (iMxBJ)

385 Hillary's miscues:

*Reminding everyone that she's strongly anti-gun and pro gun control

*Calling the Iran Deal a great thing for America

*Letting Trump camp himself firmly on the side of Law and Order and supporting the police. That was a Nixon '68 winner.

*Calling Americans prejudiced while Chicago bleeds was a bit much. Gang warfare in Chicago and in many of our Dem-controlled inner cities is a disgrace. Inner city youth need jobs and a good education and the Dems are not delivering.

Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (JBggj)

386 Hey, buzzion, what.... do.... you.... call...... a-camel-with-three-humps?


Can I guess? Sally?

Posted by: freaked at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (BO/km)

387 He must not care about the four hundred pound plus vote.
I'm sure Hillary does. She's the bees knees.
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (4bjXi)

Michael Moore & GRRRRRRMartin thought that line was very hurtful indeed.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (Om16U)

388 So Trump didn't go for kill shots but didn't go nuts, Hillary was a smarmy liar who managed not to have a massive stroke at the podium, and we still ain't voting our way out of this mess.

About what I expected, then.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Deplorable Guy at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (vyqqu)

389 Hillary was clearly drugged up - could barely keep her eyes open. Dry mouth, but never took a drink. Wobbly on her feet. Very slow speech. I'm shocked this hasn't been discussed on TV by any of the "smart" people.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (VjPX+)

390 He must not care about the four hundred pound plus vote.
I'm sure Hillary does. She's the bees knees.
Posted by: Denny Crane!


That was a YUGE mistake! YUGE!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (S6Pax)

391 "3) Moderator went into heavy Candy Crowley mode, and Trump did not defer like a puppy the way Romney did."

Unfortunately, the commentary makes it seem that he might have reacted like a rabid puppy (defiant but ineffectual).

I'm hoping that any remaining swing voters decide to ignore the debate and punish the biased media like they did after the Dan Rather thing.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (egK2C)

392 How many troops you reckon it would take to occupy the Iraqi oil fields and export facilities? For decades mind you. No way would the public ever support that.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (/tuJf)


Please. Occupying oil fields is simple work. No one lives there. It's harder, more dangerous and more expensive to occupy three blocks of a city than 5 square miles of oil fields.

And we had to be around the oil fields, anyway. The cost of us securing them is paid for by the oil.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (zc3Db)

393 One can't NOT have responded to Hilary's bitchiness about Russian cyber sophistication and Trump collusion without having responded IMMEDIATELY and with VICIOUSNESS that SHE doesn't know FUCK about email servers let alone national security or the formal playbook...I just cannot forgive him leaving that opening without destructive reply...he's lacking there, for sure... he couldn't debate for MY college team

Posted by: Thomas Boyle at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (EetFS)

394 He'll need to really do his homework for the next debate if he wants to beat her.

Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (q7eWh)



To most of the people watching who might change or crystallize their vote, this was not an argument or debate between two people. Both the Beast and Trump were doing different things, to somewhat different audiences


Trump's Task was to introduce himself ( or re-intro himself ) to millions of people who hadn't seen his show yet, or only caught bits of it. He had to be assertive but not a bully; reasonable but not squishy.


He did fine. She sounded like a squeeze-box needing oiling

Posted by: Billy Occam at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (/542q)

395 Half of Europe's political and financial elites were compromised in
the Oil-for-food scandal, the biggest financial scandal in history,
bigger even than the Clinton Foundation.

--

Holy shit. I completely forgot about the Oil-for-food scandal. Wow. That was horrible.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (3DSAh)

396 Overall, Trump missed many opportunities to really hurt Hillary, and got caught up in some stuff that he needed to scrape off more quickly, and maybe he just has some bad advice on that.
***************************

One thing I'll give Trump credit for is that he does change tactics when he sees the current approach not working. Now that he knows what to expect he can better prepare. The moderators and Hillary are nothing if not predictable.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (5JBUT)

397 I don't understand the "take the oil" thing, which some say is impossible, some say of course we can do it. Of course some Mexican economic official recently came out and said "of course there are many ways Trump could make Mexico pay for the wall". But so many experts say "no way, we have to keep letting billions of remittances from illegals flow, billions in trade deficits, cuz we are saps forever".

ISIS has been taking the oil, no problem. It seems we could certainly set something up, which of course might be opposed by those used to screwing America on everything ... but screw them. A trust? idk ... seems we are more able to do it than ISIS, just too timid.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (n6rAX)

398 Trump won far more then the piss poor excuses for trolls that lurked about the threads tonight in their stained bottoms and elastic footwear. Mother will have to deposit a small check into her account to cover the cost of frosted flakes for her frosted flakes!

Posted by: Tyler Mason at September 26, 2016 11:25 PM (HaFPF)

399 ...Dem-controlled inner cities is a disgrace. Inner city youth need jobs and a good education and the Dems are not delivering.


Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (JBggj)


Notice how quickly Holt steered discussion away from that point.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (GUBah)

400 Saw John DePodesta on Fox too... He did NOT look happy. Color me surprised.

Posted by: LawLurker at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (b2PbZ)

401 252
Somebody said before the debate that Trump was going to use a
rope-a-dope strategy. Maybe he made her overconfident tonight, and will
come out guns blazing in the next debate. I can hope, anyway.


Man, if I had a dime for every time I'd heard the rope-a-dope plan, I'd have quite a few dimes.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (Oi5b2)

402 354
She was her usual screechy self, who no one likes.
Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 26, 2016 11:20 PM (Z8DIA)


You must not know any liberals.

They love her smirking condescension, just as they love Obama's surreptitious middle finger scratching.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (sdi6R)

403 Trump didn't drop a deuce on the stage so he won.

This debate.

If he wants to win the next debate he has to do better.

Posted by: ArthurK at September 26, 2016 10:41 PM (h53OH)


Right. He'll have to both drop a deuce AND do a sack dance afterwards

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 26, 2016 11:26 PM (CehCK)

404 This will be the last time GOP primary voters choose someone who "wings it."
Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (tWFOf)

I wish I believed that.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (egK2C)

405 Hillary prepped by memorizing the questions, and she still couldn't land the proverbial blow.

Your concerns are noted, however...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (C9pBZ)

406 *Calling Americans prejudiced while Chicago bleeds was a bit much. Gang warfare in Chicago and in many of our Dem-controlled inner cities is a disgrace. Inner city youth need jobs and a good education and the Dems are not delivering.
Posted by: mrp

I think that was Hillary's biggest unforced mistake. She really bungled that. That whole exchange went completely against type, and I think that Trump won that.
She looked stupid and bad.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (S6Pax)

407 So go ask your aunt or cousin or random friend who usually doesn't follow this stuff but happened to be near a TV when it happened


People who didn't watch the debate, and still vote, will make their choices on what they see and hear in the media, and what they hear from their friends and associates.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (s/vC3)

408 Something like using a rusty spoon to remove my own gall bladder and replacing it with an angry squirrel before sewing up the wound and watching to see how long it takes to chew its way out.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:21 PM (KRwzj)


Promises promises.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (Pz4pT)

409 >> Inner city youth need jobs and a good education and the Dems are not delivering.


Vouchers for everyone!

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (It7Oy)

410 How many troops you reckon it would take to occupy the Iraqi oil fields and export facilities? For decades mind you. No way would the public ever support that.

I also think putting an armed force in the middle of the Middle East to take the oil would likely result in the same thing that happened in Iran decades ago when we supported the Brits and their claim on Iranian oil. Short version, hasn't worked out that well.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:22 PM (/tuJf)


Huh? We already occupied the entire country, including the oil fields, with responsibilities for some sections to our partners, like the Brits in the south.

The question is purely one of what bank accounts the proceeds of oil sales should have gone into.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (fgOnp)

411 I wish I believed that.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (egK2C)

Not that its likely to matter if Trump loses (apologies for quoting myself).

Posted by: lowtech redneck at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (egK2C)

412 The only undecided voters remaining will only digest sound bites. In that arena Trump dominated.

Emails: not a mistake. Purposeful. Your staff Pleading the fifth. Disgraceful. The country thinks so too.

Go to her website. She will tell you how she's going to fight Isis. General MacArthur wouldn't approve.

That's why you've been fighting Isis all your adult life. (This one made me lol)

True she has experience. But it's all bad. Our country cannot endure another four years of her experience.

Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (XxCCS)

413 I don't want policy in debates - I want to be entertained ! Seriously. It is all a show anyway.

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (c6/9Q)

414 He just told Sean Hannity that he didn't want to bring up Bill's women because Chelsea was in the audience and he thought it would hurt her. I'm not sure it was good but it was kind.
Posted by: Peggy at September 26, 2016 10:50 PM (HBU7W)

In boxing, the killer instinct is the ability to hit a weakened opponent and keep hitting them until the bell rings or the referee calls a stop. This means you keep at them until they're down and done. Most importantly, you want to hit them. You want to hurt them. You want to win.

Chelsea Clinton, Princess In Waiting, needs her feelings hurt. She grows rich from her parents' corruption and--as an officer in the Clinton Foundation--knows full well what her parents are, what they're willing to do to take and hold power. To hell with kindness. To hell with Chelsea Clinton's feelings. Hit Hillary so hard her grandchildren feel the breeze.

Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (tuvxV)

415 So black communities are wonderful and thriving except for a gun epidemic killing all the men.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (Om16U)

416 Nood.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (gVpIT)

417 DJT blows a kiss your way. It will be remembered how much you and the rest of the GOPe assholes did not want him.

Barring major scandal, it is a sentiment that will be shared by the majority of voters come November. An outcome that could easily have been avoided, but Idiocracy arrived ahead of schedule.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (KRwzj)

418 Calling Americans prejudiced while Chicago bleeds was a bit much. Gang warfare in Chicago and in many of our Dem-controlled inner cities is a disgrace. Inner city youth need jobs and a good education and the Dems are not delivering.
Posted by: mrp at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (JBggj)
--------------------------
Trump sort of addressed the Dems failure in "their" cities a couple or three times but never clearly. Perhaps he can work that in better on the racism and/or police issues in one of the future debates.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:29 PM (NUqwG)

419 Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (XxCCS)

Phrases that will exist only on the internet and NEVER appear on an MSM site!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:29 PM (wCEn4)

420 One good point Hillary made: most of the reason we got out of Iraq when we did, and didn't renegotiate our deal, was because of the Maliki government. Maliki was the stupidest leader Iraq has had since I don't even know - Nabonidus?

But Barky deserves a lot of blame for allowing Maliki to happen.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 26, 2016 11:29 PM (6FqZa)

421 By any measure, Hillary won the debate, but she does not make people comfortable - call it like-ability or whatever you want, I would rather have arrogant Trump than slivery Hillary for the next 4 years. I think subconsciously a lot of America feels the same whether they will admit it or not.

Posted by: firehorse at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (//TVq)

422 So black communities are wonderful and thriving except for a gun epidemic killing all the men.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (Om16U)
-------------------------------------------------
And the police!

Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (NUqwG)

423 Only issue he did well on was Trade.


Posted by: landslide at September 26, 2016 11:24 PM (tWFOf)

Hence why Michael Moore is upset about Hillary's performance tonight. One thing he probably does know a lot about is internal labor union politics in Michigan and Wisconsin, and whatever other union / mobster dive he has passed out in over the years.

Posted by: William Eaton at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (KhJh8)

424 If we had thrown Bjork in the volcano as I suggested some time ago everything would be squared away by now.

but noooooo "you can't throw Bjork in the volcano" they said, "that's mean" they said.

now look where we are.

Posted by: Shoey at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (vA94g)

425 331 320 I watched Zootipia on Netflix instead of the debate. It might have been more enlightening.

Posted by: pookysgirl at September 26, 2016 11:15 PM (ar2KI)

You did get to learn what to call a camel with 3 humps.

Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:16 PM (bMG0w)

The DMV scene was the most hilarious part of the whole movie.

Posted by: YatYas at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (5v4w4)

426 So black communities are wonderful and thriving except for a gun epidemic killing all the men.
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (Om16U)
------------------------------
And the drug laws and incarceration and private prisons...

Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:30 PM (NUqwG)

427 >>lease. Occupying oil fields is simple work. No one lives there. It's harder, more dangerous and more expensive to occupy three blocks of a city than 5 square miles of oil fields.

Please. We aren't talking about occupying oil fields in Texas. We are talking about Iraq which is now a target for jihadists throughout the ME and not just ISIS.

They attack our troops when they are sitting inside our armed bases and you think they wouldn't be constantly attacking the troops in oil fields? And of course you assume the public who couldn't get our troops out of Iraq fast enough would go along with that? Sure.

If you aren't aware, the very first thing our CIA did after their founding was to help the Brits enforce the deal they had with Iran to work their oil fields in a piece of the action. This led to the overthrow of the elected Iranian government, the installation of the Shah and you probably know the rest.

But sure, the current jihadis who are largely financed by the same Iran wouldn't mind at all if we took the oil from a Muslim country.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (/tuJf)

428 Half of Europe's political and financial elites were compromised in
the Oil-for-food scandal,
------------

Oil for palaces.

Posted by: Storming Norman at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (Z58Xa)

429 Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2016 11:28 PM (tuvxV)

Chelsea and her ilk are effectively stealing money from my kids . The hell with her feelings!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (wCEn4)

430 Look, this is a win for Hillary. I'm glad Ace is making us feel better. In fact, I feel better. But Hillary came in as the underdog. The media set her expectations low, and his high. "How will Hillary deal with Alpha Male Trump" etc. Tomorrow? Wow, strong performance by Clinton. Health? Not an issue. She pushed back hard on Trump. Strong. Great performance!

Look for that.

Posted by: davedaveadavarf at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (0+srV)

431 Everyone who is disappointed that Trump didn't rip into Hillary because of the pent up anger they have at this evil witch for the record she has need to remember that Trump has our vote. He doesn't need to tap into that anger. He needs to appeal to the lesser concerned who aren't that passionate about the country and want to feel he's not going to be an irrational warmongering racist but simply a trustworthy person in the office

Posted by: Jen the original at September 26, 2016 11:32 PM (dk7nS)

432 "Trump's Task was to introduce himself ( or re-intro himself ) to millions of people who hadn't seen his show yet, or only caught bits of it. He had to be assertive but not a bully; reasonable but not squishy.
He did fine. She sounded like a squeeze-box needing oiling"

Spot on. Especially in first third, after which many tuned out.

Large audience in the first third, so reports that Trump got his ass kicked won't fly.

Anti-Trump topics like Birtherism are now played in future debates.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:33 PM (bQxkN)

433
Clinton shot her wad tonight and Trump weathered it.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 26, 2016 11:33 PM (PtOP4)

434 If you aren't aware, the very first thing our CIA did after their founding was to help the Brits enforce the deal they had with Iran to work their oil fields in a piece of the action. This led to the overthrow of the elected Iranian government, the installation of the Shah and you probably know the rest.
----------------------------------
(Hardly the first thing the CIA did.)

That worked well for 19 years or 26 depending on what you count (oil shock/nationalization or Khomeini). Better than any of our more recent policies.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:34 PM (NUqwG)

435 @433

Ew. Thanks for that visual.

Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:34 PM (F5hTl)

436 I'm skimming and stream of thought. High incarceration rates?

What about the RAVE act? Who were the big drug warriors? Really, check the wiki on the RAVE act and it's sponsors.

Posted by: davedaveadavarf at September 26, 2016 11:35 PM (0+srV)

437 For you to call that a debate underscores your disability (I assume you have one; everyone does; that's why we are allowed to express stupidities everywhere we transgress with such borborygmi); nonetheless, BY NO MEASURE I CAN FIND did Hiliary "win" that debate.

Please give me your scoring criteria.

She looked somewhere between a honey-baked ham and a pot roast in the slow cooker several hours beyond instructions.

And I am a former debater from a place where these things are measured quantitatively.

Please help me figure your calculus, sir.

Posted by: Thomas Boyle at September 26, 2016 11:36 PM (EetFS)

438 As I said, I'm watching now. How in the fuck is Obama's Birth certificate connected to racial healing?


Oh and Hillary is again getting away with crowd reaction.

Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:36 PM (bMG0w)

439 Still have FNC on after the debate.

Didn't know Mark Cuban was such a douche. But it's not like I ever paid any attention to him.

Why on Earth do the networks think we care about what these idiots think?

As a 60 y/o farmer/historian I'm less than impressed when some 30 yo media idiot tells me their profound thoughts.

Posted by: Farmer at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (o/90i)

440 But sure, the current jihadis who are largely financed by the same Iran wouldn't mind at all if we took the oil from a Muslim country.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 11:31 PM (/tuJf)


Without the oil fields most of the jihadis are neutered. The oil fields are the ONLY source of wealth, power and influence that the arab/persian/muslim world has - and the APM world only got them by stealing them from Western companies. They stole those fields. Nothing wrong with us taking them back. And, in a war, the most important strategy you can employ is to cut off the source of threat from the enemy. The oil fields are the genesis of all threats from the APM world, from many different angles - money, political power, economic power, ... The arabs proved that they viewed oil as a weapon as far back as the 70s. They are at war with us and their weapon needs to be taken from them. That is just War 101.

And occupying oil fields is not difficult work compared to occupying or securing anything else in the world. Oil is the world's lifeblood. It would be appropriate that we treated it that way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (zc3Db)

441 I wish I was a mushy middle "independent" who votes according to which way the wind lightly caresses my hairy ass, so I could better understand what it is that would tip them to Trump instead of the she-demon.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (5JBUT)

442 stop rearranging the damn deck chairs n inform on her globalist sell out of our sovereignty and liberty.
Posted by: Justamom at September 26, 2016 10:43 PM (sVnbw)

A hundred times this. Brutal to hear him talking about his company.

He had some good moments, though. I think it was a wash.

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (Iy6JT)

443 My wife, who is a LIV, said that Trump seemed like a child arguing with an adult. Now, my wife doesn't follow politics (other than her circle of liberal moms on le Facebook) and I do. That is why I post to a smart military blog like this. But I can't help but think that someone so disinterested in politics like my wife (and that 20-30% of undecideds in America) seeing tonight's debate might just throw caution to the wind and say fuck it, she sounded like Maggie Thatcher there! and cast their vote for an evil and conniving bitch while Trump continues to talk in grand, eloquent and yuge terms (fugedabout the details!).
i don't know mayhaps its the MAkers Mark talking now. Either way I feel a great disturbance in teh Force after watching the debate.

Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX)

444 I couldn't watch. My husband's biggest takeaway was that Hillary's lipstick teeth were disgusting.

Posted by: Gem at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (uaHyk)

445 Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX)


Working on your talking point? That's the second time you've made the same comment.

Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (bMG0w)

446 I think you'll see the polls go in her favour after this debate. She was strong, solid, took her time, appeared trustworthy, and the main objective was to appear presidential. She accomplished all of that.

The onus will be on Trump after this debate. His advisors are just not doing him any favours by letting the man wing it. It may have worked once or twice in his favour, and he got lucky -- but it's not a strategy for winning the White House. Whether he's lazy, or incapable of being disciplined enough to study his material and properly prepare for a debate of this nature, who knows. But, it was a poor performance on his part, and his advisors, if they're worth anything, will be having a come-to-Jesus talk with their boss.

Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (q7eWh)

447 441:
--Day 1:
"Oh I like Trump, he's strong. And I love his casinos!"Day 2:"Oh my goodness! I just heard that Chelea's child hugged her mommy and daddy! I gotta vote for Hillary!". . . . .
Election Day:OMG, who do I choose?Day after Election Day:When was I supposed to vote again?

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 11:40 PM (3DSAh)

448 It would be appropriate that we treated it that way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:37 PM (zc3Db)

Tweak the RoE so OUR troops are not always at risk, and you'd see very defensible oilfield!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:40 PM (wCEn4)

449 His advisors are just not doing him any favours by letting the man wing it.
Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:39 PM (q7eWh)
--------------------------------
Or maybe he wasn't winging it. That might be as good as it gets.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (NUqwG)

450 445
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX)





Working on your talking point? That's the second time you've made the same comment

Glad you were paying attention then.

Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (+NedX)

451 Tweak the RoE so OUR troops are not always at risk, and you'd see very defensible oilfield!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:40 PM (wCEn4)


Absolutely.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (zc3Db)

452
Posted by: TickledPink at September 26, 2016 11:34 PM (F5hTl)




Sorry,but she is not going to be able to keep hitting him on this stuff in the debates to come.Its out of the way now and between the two she looked like the one willing to get into the gutter.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 26, 2016 11:41 PM (PtOP4)

453 Just to get up that hill.

Posted by: gNewt....in the basket...forever censored at September 26, 2016 11:42 PM (6qmBU)

454 Trump needs to double down on his offer---

My tax returns for your 30,000 emails!

Keep repeating this at every Trump rally.

Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:42 PM (XxCCS)

455 he can do better...hillary cannot

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:44 PM (c6/9Q)

456 Somehow, I don't think she'll risk doing the Chris Wallace debate!

Trump's got one more chance to flay her alive!

Posted by: Hrothgar de Plorabble at September 26, 2016 11:45 PM (wCEn4)

457 Not a good performance for Trump. When his family came up on stage afterwards, they all looked like they were attending a funeral, and perhaps they were, of his presidential bid. With the hype, anything less than one of them turning into an alien space lizard and devouring the other one on stage, was bound to be anti-climactic. This may turn out to be the year that the Pence-Kaine debate is the exciting one, God help us all.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 26, 2016 11:46 PM (JAvsW)

458 When is that VP debate scheduled, by the way?

Posted by: Sassy at September 26, 2016 11:47 PM (q7eWh)

459 In a change year

Passionate but not crazy dick > Robotic cunt

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:48 PM (bQxkN)

460 We all just need to do what we can and vote. It's up to Trump now. Not a perfect situation but I legitimately think it's the best we could have hoped for.

Did you think this election would be easy? The left knows what's at stake and will fight and kill to win it. There isn't going to be a grand moment of catharsis which turns the tide. Just do your part and VOTE

Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at September 26, 2016 11:49 PM (Iy6JT)

461 Hillary looked preprogrammed and inauthentic. Trump looked spontaneous and authentic.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:49 PM (uI8Pr)

462
My tax returns for your 30,000 emails!





She can dodge that too easily.If the subject is tax returns he should fire back about her releasing her Wall Street speeches because her tax plan is basically taxing the rich.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 26, 2016 11:50 PM (PtOP4)

463 Lester Holt won the debate. He dinged up Trump pretty good

Trump survived. He is winning the majority of the instant right And left online polls.

Not good optics for Hillary.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:52 PM (XGrlW)

464 Of the three people debating up there, who actually put forth policies?

Trump.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:52 PM (uI8Pr)

465 "...If you aren't aware, the very first thing our CIA did after their founding was to help the Brits enforce the deal they had with Iran to work their oil fields in a piece of the action. This led to the overthrow of the elected Iranian government, the installation of the Shah and you probably know the rest..."

You left out a few things. One of those things is that when the Iranians were unable to come to an agreement with the Brits to buy back the oil fields, the Iranians just tried to take them.
THAT is what led to us helping the Brits toss out the Iranian govt.
Peanut Carter tried to right what he felt was a wrong, and the thanks we got for it?

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at September 26, 2016 11:52 PM (hVdx9)

466 Just saw a Hilldabeast commercial...

I'VVVE spent ALLLL my life WORKING for CHILDDDREN!

WTF, what has she ever done specifically for children?

Posted by: Farmer at September 26, 2016 11:53 PM (o/90i)

467 443 My wife, who is a LIV, said that Trump seemed like a child arguing with an adult. Now, my wife doesn't follow politics (other than her circle of liberal moms on le Facebook) and I do. That is why I post to a smart military blog like this. But I can't help but think that someone so disinterested in politics like my wife (and that 20-30% of undecideds in America) seeing tonight's debate might just throw caution to the wind and say fuck it, she sounded like Maggie Thatcher there! and cast their vote for an evil and conniving bitch while Trump continues to talk in grand, eloquent and yuge terms (fugedabout the details!).
i don't know mayhaps its the MAkers Mark talking now. Either way I feel a great disturbance in teh Force after watching the debate.
Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 11:38 PM (+NedX

Undecided are in 10% max and in the single digits this race at this point.

Nice effort

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:55 PM (XGrlW)

468 455 he can do better...hillary cannot
Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 11:44 PM (c6/9Q)


True. That's a good point.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:56 PM (sdi6R)

469 I'll put Talisker on the to-try list.

Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:56 PM (/O5Ax)

470 Dog and Pony show. Who even believes our "honorable" politicians anymore? A waste of time. Why do people even watch this stuff?

Posted by: Just Because at September 26, 2016 11:56 PM (kQnIT)

471 Sorry, wrong thread.

Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 11:57 PM (/O5Ax)

472 Never a wrong thread for good Scotch!

Posted by: FOAF at September 26, 2016 11:58 PM (p0JMG)

473 Oh God. When Trump is talking about temperament, Hillary looked like she was sprayed with Joker gas.

Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2016 11:59 PM (bMG0w)

474 412 The only undecided voters remaining will only digest sound bites. In that arena Trump dominated.

Emails: not a mistake. Purposeful. Your staff Pleading the fifth. Disgraceful. The country thinks so too.

Go to her website. She will tell you how she's going to fight Isis. General MacArthur wouldn't approve.

That's why you've been fighting Isis all your adult life. (This one made me lol)

True she has experience. But it's all bad. Our country cannot endure another four years of her experience.
Posted by: 1curiousmind at September 26, 2016 11:27 PM (XxCCS)



You know, he DID have some good ones!

Another "second thought" I'm having is how Hillary and the moderator were clearly ganging up on Trump in the second half, and they were really dipping into the dirt. Trump didn't let them get away with it. And that last question was an idiotic "WTF?"

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:00 AM (EnK/R)

475 He had some moments. But she mentioned a special prosecutor for trade and he let that hanging slowball pass. Should have heard the word bribery, too.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 27, 2016 12:04 AM (Ndje9)

476 For what its worth Trump is winning the online polls, even at Slate

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:05 AM (bQxkN)

477 I think Ace's summation was well thought out and reasonable, and I hope me telling him that will not go to his head

Posted by: Guido911 at September 27, 2016 12:07 AM (Q0d1T)

478 Megyn Kelly said Lester Holt did a "fine job".

No questions about Benghazi. None about classified emails.

A "fine job"


Uh huh.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 27, 2016 12:07 AM (H6376)

479 Except at CNN

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:09 AM (bQxkN)

480 Gingrich calling this a huge Trump victory. That Dems are on the ropes, Hillary didn't give any sort of grand vision for America, but instead stooped to petty stuff. Trump was calm and collected.

Encouraging words!

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:10 AM (EnK/R)

481 478 Megyn Kelly said Lester Holt did a "fine job".
...
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 27, 2016 12:07 AM (H6376)



Old news, that Megyn Kelly is destined for CNN. Since Republican debate #1.

I watched FBN, and am glad of it. Switched over to Fox - for Hannity - when Cavuto started schmoozing with asshole Cuban. Also a good move.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:12 AM (EnK/R)

482 I was hoping Trump would damage Hillary tonight. He didn't. Neither candidate looked good, Trump came off as particularly unpresidential, whiffed on softballs and let Hillary get away with a lot. He had a few zingers, but Hillary knew how to better get under his skin (insult his business acumen).

It will be a close election, but Trump has to bring at least some undecided college educated voters into his camp. Tonight I'm guessing he failed.

Posted by: Doug at September 27, 2016 12:14 AM (3RVQo)

483 "Gingrich calling this a huge Trump victory. That Dems are on the ropes, Hillary didn't give any sort of grand vision for America, but instead stooped to petty stuff. Trump was calm and collected. "

Agreed, Hillary gave no reason to vote for her.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 27, 2016 12:14 AM (bQxkN)

484 Compare/contrast with Romney family post-first debate in 2012. 100x this:

Not a good performance for Trump. When his family came up on stage afterwards, they all looked like they were attending a funeral, and perhaps they were, of his presidential bid.
Posted by: JuJuBee at September 26, 2016 11:46 PM (JAvsW)

Posted by: Doug at September 27, 2016 12:15 AM (3RVQo)

485 The only thing I can think of is that Trump is playing the long game.

If he hits her on all her weaknesses in 1st debate, the idiot, no attention span public will forget all about it all within weeks. Then, if he brings it all up again in the 2nd and 3rd debates, Hillary and the media will accuse him of belaboring the point and will make him look bad.

If he is smart and planning this out, he is waiting to take her out in the 3rd debate, right before the election, when everything will still be fresh in every voter's mind before they go vote.

I am sure he and his campaign have a plan. He's playing the long game. May have lost the battle tonight, but he's not trying to win the battle, he's trying to win the election.

We'll see how things play out...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 27, 2016 12:20 AM (7A4qQ)

486 I haven't the slightest idea of how any of that debate is gonna be received by the public. For all the shit Palin gets, she was at least able to provide a logically coherent, reasonably detailed description of policies for the VP debate at least (I remember her making E.J. Dionne look like an idiot on NPR, for assuming her accurate references to foreign policy details were hick-ish nonsense), which Trump can't even seem to do to describe the business he supposedly runs, but I don't know that that matters to people. Both candidates tonight just sort of hung in there and didn't shit their pants, which for Trump seems to be the sweet spot. Hillary, I assume, succeeded in acquiring free advertising for her late father's drape installation business.

Trump missed lots of opportunities to hit Hillary hard on her scandals, but I don't think he understands them well enough to sound like he knows what he's talking about when he brings them up, so if she has a prepared answer on any of them (and I assume she does on all of them), she can deflect and make him sound like he's talking out of his ass (as she did a bit in this debate).

Would be nice to have somebody on stage talk about conservatism at a national presidential debate, but I guess the way you advance conservatism in 2016 is by purging it from the national political conversation for 4-8 years. It's the only way, you guys.

Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 12:20 AM (xf3KI)

487 I missed the 'take the oil' part, evidently. Hmm. But Trump was real life. Hillary was typical pol, she's worried about her 'granddaughters future in America, too, just like you' total bullshit. If more people believe that lie than don't, that she really does worry about terrorism, jobs, etc for her grandkids, we are totally screwed as a country and will suffer. Period.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2016 12:23 AM (eLvFT)

488 Hillary's got experience, bad experience

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 27, 2016 12:28 AM (bWnU+)

489 My god I'm starting to hear liberals talk about skewed polls.

Posted by: James at September 27, 2016 12:29 AM (jxw6R)

490 Unlikable. She lost. Was on the fence - not anymore. Can't do 4 years of that. Ugh.
Posted by: Turner at September 26, 2016 10:46 PM (WLd2b)

My husband was gonna not vote, watched, now voting Trump. He said Trump dominated and was stable and impressive. I watched football. My Bernie friends on Twitter also said Trump killed it.

Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 12:30 AM (ru2SK)

491 Her main message tonight was that she has the experience in government to run the government.

His main message was that our government has been run by idiots for too long and someone should go in and run it like a successful business.

We'll see which message wins votes.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 27, 2016 12:31 AM (GzDYP)

492 Hillary, I assume, succeeded in acquiring free advertising for her late father's drape installation business.
Posted by: reform highlander at September 27, 2016 12:20 AM

ROTFLMAO
TY for a good laugh.

Posted by: Farmer at September 27, 2016 12:35 AM (o/90i)

493 @490 ...
My husband was gonna not vote, watched, now voting Trump. He said Trump dominated and was stable and impressive. I watched football. My Bernie friends on Twitter also said Trump killed it.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 12:30 AM (ru2SK)


Wow. Maybe Gingrich isn't being just a cheerleader.

Unfortunately, another commenter said their LIV spouse (a woman) thought Trump sounded like a child, vs Hillary the adult. Maybe it varies by the individual. Maybe Trump's style just appeals more to guys. We'll see!

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:38 AM (EnK/R)

494 The woman called him a racist in national TV. Not the usual code words or intimations---she used the actual word.

He did not disagree.

All he could say was "We settled that lawsuit with no admission of guilt."

Posted by: Sargevining at September 27, 2016 12:39 AM (QljBG)

495 Laura Ingraham on Hannity. Making a lot of sense, as usual.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:40 AM (EnK/R)

496 I managed to watch half. All I kept thinking was, "Cruz would be cleaning her clock."

Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2016 12:43 AM (9Xu0X)

497 490
My husband was gonna not vote, watched, now voting Trump. He said Trump dominated and was stable and impressive. I watched football. My Bernie friends on Twitter also said Trump killed it.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 12:30 AM (ru2SK)


Interesting. I've been a Trump supporter from early in the primaries and I was disappointed tonight. Objectively I have to say Hillary won; not that that's going to change my mind or anything.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:45 AM (sdi6R)

498 Kellyanne Conway wants to go after the Facebook/Soccer moms. Trump tried it her way And missed opportunities.

Trump can only improve. Hillary and the media showed their cards.

I think Kellyanne Conway may get a scolding from Trumps children as they did not look to pleased.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 12:47 AM (XGrlW)

499 Hillary's poll numbers are sagging like her 68-year-old bosom, and she needed a knockout punch. She didn't get it.

Trump just needed to avoid seeming like some sort of loon who's unfit to be President. He did that.

Advantage: Trump.

Posted by: The Deplorable Prothonotary Warbler at September 27, 2016 12:47 AM (0OG8D)

500 Mark Cuban told Cavuto that the debt is not a real problem for his kids or grandkids.

Then painted Trump as a guy who doesn't care about the little guy like he does, as long as the little guy on Shark Tank is sharing his profits with the world or something, reinventing entepreneurship or something, blah, blah, blah.

Lol.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 27, 2016 12:48 AM (GzDYP)

501 My debate watching was a little spotty (drinking/smoking), and I'm an obvious partisan, but my take was that Trump got it B+ to Hillary's B, or maybe Trump's B to Hillary's C+.

Though I imagine that'll be wildly spun in the MSM's retelling in tomorrow's papers.

Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (Kvk9o)

502 496 I managed to watch half. All I kept thinking was, "Cruz would be cleaning her clock."
Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2016 12:43 AM (9Xu0X)


And as someone else said earlier, he would also be down 15 points in the polls, so the debate wouldn't matter all that much.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (sdi6R)

503 "Cruz would be cleaning her clock."
----
And as someone else said earlier, he would also be down 15 points in the polls, so the debate wouldn't matter all that much.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (sdi6R)
------------------------------
But would be a great platform to talk about conservatism while losing!

Posted by: RioBravo at September 27, 2016 12:53 AM (NUqwG)

504 Monica's a fangirl, but making good points. Elitist assholes very impressed by Hillary. "Normal people" spoken to by Trump in a way they understand, about what they care about.

And that's true. The Hillary/Lester team was focusing on the crap that nobody really cares about, because they LOSE on the stuff that people DO care about. And they were so OBVIOUS in their ganging up, while Trump stood up to them.

Maybe. JUST MAYBE this will be one of those deals where the elitist assholes who never get tired of being wrong "know" that this will hurt Trump, but instead it helps.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:55 AM (EnK/R)

505 My debate watching was a little spotty (drinking/smoking), and I'm an obvious partisan, but my take was that Trump got it B+ to Hillary's B, or maybe Trump's B to Hillary's C+.
Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (Kvk9o)
-------------------------
Someone from the Hillary campaign was spinning earlier today that they were afraid Trump would be "graded on a curve." I see she was right.
Trump D, Hillary D
They both pass and move on to round 2!

Posted by: RioBravo at September 27, 2016 12:56 AM (NUqwG)

506 I was thrilled that Cruz got as far as he did in the primary, but was terrified that he would get crushed in the general, partially if not mainly due to media.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 27, 2016 12:58 AM (GzDYP)

507 Tomayto, tomahto.

Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 12:59 AM (Kvk9o)

508 @502 ...
And as someone else said earlier, he would also be down 15 points in the polls, so the debate wouldn't matter all that much.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 12:50 AM (sdi6R)


(Claps)

Trump held his own vs Hillary & Lester, and probably learned a lot. This may have come across well, even though it wasn't "pretty", and next time 'round Trump should be able to do MUCH better. We've already seen Hillary's (and the media's) best.

Cruz, et al, would be lucky to match what Romney did.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 12:59 AM (EnK/R)

509 As a good friend of mine from college once said, "D" is for Diploma.

Posted by: Lewis at September 27, 2016 01:03 AM (Kvk9o)

510 You know, maybe this was good. Sure Trump did the jump around all over thing, but this was DANGEROUS UNCHARTED WATER - debating a woman Democrat, and he navigated through it without hitting any mines. It was wise to be cautious, and not take the risky "kill shots" we may have been hoping for.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:05 AM (EnK/R)

511 Luntz's dunces said Hillary won.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 27, 2016 01:06 AM (P8951)

512 510 You know, maybe this was good. Sure Trump did the jump around all over thing, but this was DANGEROUS UNCHARTED WATER - debating a woman Democrat, and he navigated through it without hitting any mines. It was wise to be cautious, and not take the risky "kill shots" we may have been hoping for.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 27, 2016 01:05 AM (EnK/R)


Yeah, I don't think he won tonight's debate, but it wasn't a disaster either.

So maybe this wasn't the "make or break" event that everyone was breathlessly predicting. There's still over a month to go until the election, and a lot can happen between now and then.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:09 AM (sdi6R)

513 499 - absolutely, Trump didn't blow it and that was all that was required. The polls are going his way. Clinton had to reverse the trend because her message is failing. No changes to her message, no change to the trend.

Posted by: Stonecutter at September 27, 2016 01:17 AM (qcDdt)

514 Like magic Hillary has not sounded that Lucid since 2008.

It seems the Lester Holt leading Hillary to hang up on Trump was so over the top all the rubes and racists and unpeople are beginning to notice.

And they seem to be very kissed off.

That blew up in the Uniparty's faces.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 01:19 AM (XGrlW)

515 513.
Solid gold.

Posted by: Martell at September 27, 2016 01:20 AM (I/Avl)

516 511 Luntz's dunces said Hillary won.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 27, 2016 01:06 AM (P8951)

To be fair, if you openly support Trump you put yourself at a high risk on the receiving end of violence.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 01:21 AM (XGrlW)

517 Trump obviously lost. It's over.

Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2016 01:26 AM (EdXI9)

518 I agree.

Posted by: Tim at September 27, 2016 01:26 AM (EdXI9)

519 I agree with Jim and Tim.

Posted by: Dim at September 27, 2016 01:27 AM (EdXI9)

520 HillZebub is a polished turd waiting to be flushed.

Posted by: Snicklefritz at September 27, 2016 01:31 AM (aOqpx)

521 Cruz was very complimentary after the debate on his Facebook. Pretty clear Trump win. And Rand Paul is very good on Twitter slamming Hillary.

Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 01:38 AM (ru2SK)

522 If calling all Americans racist is presidential then yes Hillary was presidential.

Posted by: Its all good at September 27, 2016 01:53 AM (PuCp6)

523 517 Trump obviously lost. It's over.
Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2016 01:26 AM (EdXI9)


He's dead, Jim.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 27, 2016 01:58 AM (sdi6R)

524 I was thinking tonight. He did it deliberately. He held back his punches on purpose. Is he waiting for better strategic ground, or is it showmanship? Its not stupidity or lack of preparation. he knows his stuff. He didn't want to go into it, tonight. So what's the deal I thought.

Then it came to me: What if he has something good, something nobody knows he has, something truly lethal, from someone like Julian Assange. What if tonight was a set up for something He's planning to spring on her that she is completely unprepared for. He has something......and whether or not this is a good idea or not, tonight played out exactly as he wanted it to.

Posted by: Adam Kelm at September 27, 2016 02:03 AM (km/D2)

525 521 Cruz was very complimentary after the debate on his Facebook. Pretty clear Trump win. And Rand Paul is very good on Twitter slamming Hillary.
Posted by: Bernette at September 27, 2016 01:38 AM (ru2SK)

I agree. Cruz was solid in Trumps corner right after the debate.

Glenn Beck wept.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 27, 2016 02:46 AM (XGrlW)

526 You see them every Sunday walking them off the field, down the tunnel, to the "fix it" room so they can come back out swinging because they need to WIN the game. I'd love to know what they gave Hillary in her "fix it" room. The best she's looked in years! Seriously! Not that I care one iota about her.

And, after she answered the first question in such a confidently smooth, flowing, all-knowing articulate manner...I wondered, could she possible have know what the question was going to be? HELL YES!!!

Posted by: Joyce at September 27, 2016 06:11 AM (CFcSr)

527 Hillary did a great job of looking smug, elitist, and above the law. Trump missed so many opportunities to slam dunk Hillary. One take-away I got was Hillary is not that good of a debater and opened herself up in almost every answer she gave.
Trump's team should make Trump watch his performance numerous times to get him ready for the next debate. I'll bet he does a whole lot better.

Posted by: Jethro the Bodine at September 27, 2016 07:09 AM (AGBf1)

528 Trump won.

Trump had to only be Trump. However, Hilary had to hit it out of the ball park, which she failed.

She might get another chance at the second debate, but Trump knows her now and will know how to counteract her much better.

Posted by: John Paterson at September 27, 2016 07:20 AM (h2ZPT)

529 It's no surprise this place sounds like an echo chamber when you ban everyone with a critical point of view

Posted by: Dustin at September 27, 2016 07:56 AM (orEnP)

530 Trump trainwreck. He couldn't process a coherent sentence.

Posted by: LTCHAM at September 27, 2016 08:16 AM (7h4Fr)

531 For Trump just being there was a victory.
For Hillary not dropping stone cold dead, passing out or having an errant eye wiggle was a victory.
For us the citizens both of them surviving the debate was a dead loss.

Posted by: obsidian at September 27, 2016 09:17 AM (ARK2U)

532 Trump missed so many opportunities. The fact that he can't move beyond his "trade deals" talking points and riff about the US having the highest corporate tax rates in the world as another reason for the exodus of jobs is bewildering to me. He has a completely superficial understanding of economics and economic policy. I'm happy to see he touched on the Fed but he should have explained that for every % that interest rates rise, the $10 trillion Obama added alone is going to add $100 billion in interest to the debt. That is going to make it impossible for the country to balance the budget without a major economic boon, a massive overhaul of government spending, and/or major tax increases across every class.

I blame his inability to articulate points such as these and his lackluster performance on NeverTrumpers.

Posted by: Me, That's Who at September 27, 2016 11:07 AM (0Hj5x)

(Jump to top of page)






Processing 0.05, elapsed 0.0675 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0248 seconds, 541 records returned.
Page size 279 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.7 alpha.



MuNuvians
MeeNuvians
Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat