John Schindler: We Now Have Incontrovertible Proof That the FBI's "Investigation" of Hillary and Her Henchmen Was a Sham From the Start

You're saying the system is rigged by the Washington insiders, then?

How shabbily populist!

From the moment the EmailGate scandal went public more than a year ago, it was obvious that the Federal Bureau of Investigation never had much enthusiasm for prosecuting Hillary Clinton or her friends. Under President Obama, the FBI grew so politicized that it became impossible for the Bureau to do its job – at least where high-ranking Democrats are concerned.

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This week, however, we learned that there is actually no mystery at all here. The FBI was never able to get enough traction in its investigation of EmailGate to prosecute anybody since the Bureau had already granted immunity to key players in that scandal.

Granting immunity is a standard practice in investigations, and is sometimes unavoidable. Giving a pass to Bryan Pagliano, Hillary’s IT guru who set up her email and server, made some sense since he understands what happened here, technically speaking, and otherwise is a small fish. The wisdom of giving him a pass now seems debatable, though, since Pagliano has twice refused to testify before Congress about his part in EmailGate, blowing off subpoenas. Just this week the House Oversight Committee recommended that Pagliano be cited for contempt of Congress for his repeated no-shows. That vote was on strictly partisan lines, with not a single Democrat on the committee finding Pagliano’s ignoring of Congressional subpoenas to be worthy of censure.

Now it turns out the FBI granted immunity to much bigger fish in the Clinton political tank. Three more people got a pass from the Bureau in exchange for their cooperation: Hillary lawyer Heather Samuelson, State Department IT boss John Bental, and – by far the most consequential – Cheryl Mills, who has been a Clinton flunky-cum-factotum for decades.

Mills served as the State Department’s Chief of Staff and Counselor throughout Hillary’s tenure as our nation’s top diplomat. Granting her immunity in EmailGate, given her deep involvement in that scandal – including the destruction of tens of thousands of emails so they could not be handed over to the FBI – now seems curious, to say the least, particularly because Mills sat in on Hillary’s chat with the Bureau regarding EmailGate.

Yes, let's talk about Cheryl Mills -- and ponder, briefly, why on earth James Comey of all people would grant her immunity, except if the Fix was in.


As a Whitewater investigator for the Senate in the mid-1990s, Comey sought information from Mills; but wouldn’t you know, the then-deputy White House counsel claimed a burglar stole her notes.

Comey concluded that Hillary Clinton ordered Mills to block investigators. The obstruction, the Senate committee found, included the "destruction of documents" and other "highly improper . . . misconduct."

Two years later, Mills was in the middle of another Hillary scandal, involving the then-first lady's integration of White House and Democratic National Committee computer databases.

This time the House subpoenaed information from Mills, who not only withheld the documents but, a government committee said, "lied under oath" -- prompting staff lawyers to send a criminal referral to the Justice Department demanding prosecutors charge Mills with obstruction of justice and perjury.

In 2000, a Commerce Department official testified that Mills ordered her to "withhold" from investigators e-mails and other documents exposing yet another scandal involving the first lady -- the selling of seats on foreign trade junkets for campaign cash.

At the same time, a federal judge suggested Mills helped orchestrate a cover-up that blamed a technical "glitch" in the White House archiving system that conveniently resulted in the loss of 1.8 million e-mails under subpoena in the Monica Lewinsky, Filegate and other scandal investigations.

Fast-forward to Hillary’s tenure as secretary. In October 2012, Mills sorted through key Benghazi documents and decided which to withhold from a review board. She also leaned on witnesses. Deputy ambassador to Libya Gregory Hicks testified before Congress in 2013 that Mills told him in an angry phone call to stop cooperating with investigators.

Let's talk about that immunity deal. Comey wanted documents on her laptop. He could have compelled them by the simple and routine expedient of a subpeona.

Instead, he granted her immunity for any documents he found on her system.

And what was on her system? Classified documents which are illegal for any non-authorized person to have copies of.

Instead of prosecuting her, he made the problem go away by fixing her up with immunity for the very crime she was red-handedly guilty of.

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1 st?

Posted by: johnd01 at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (ukNFU)

2 And yet the lamp posts of DC go un-decorated.

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (5GQXr)

3 Yay! Now to read the post.

Posted by: johnd01 at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (ukNFU)

4 GIVE MY TAXES BACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTWtVI9Vuy0

Posted by: D.R.I. at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (5GQXr)

5 And water's wet, and the sun rises in the east, and bears shit in the woods.

Godalmighty I want to be President just for what I would do to James Comey.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (TppKb)

6 But but but. . . Trump is worse?

Sigh. Need an R in the WH such that everyone MIGHT start doing their damn jobs.

Posted by: David W. at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (aWQkK)

7 Well, you cannot possibly charge Hillary, et al, when the fucking president had full knowledge of the server and sent her emails anyway.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (kFnmp)

8 I want a Comey Island Dog.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (1H9ox)

9 John Schindler? I loved him in the Dukes of Hazzard.

Posted by: Emily Litella at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (6n332)

10
Is this the guy who makes "lists?"

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (8PrS9)

11 Bottom line - the FBI, the DOJ, the State Department - they are all headed by one person - President Obama. He himself was fully aware of this, and so he had no intention of taking Hillary down on this. I wonder if he tried to force her out and get Biden in - but a deal just couldn't be struck. She may have said, I won't go quietly.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)

12 One can hope that there will be disbarment proceedings.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (jxbfJ)

13 when you accept the civil service as a body looks at the non GS electorate as a wolf looks at sheep it all makes sense.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (SzZnW)

14 Cheryl Mills gives on hell of a BJ.

Posted by: James Comey at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (5GQXr)

15 Retract immunity, any contract is based on good faith on both sides, the contract is void.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (8hDzu)

16
James Come-dumpster.

The entire thing is rigged. An army of Trumps won't be able to do anything.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (9P3OG)

17
It was a sham and Boehner KNEW it was a sham all along and allowed the other fool Republicans to get rolled.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (8PrS9)

18 Time to bring back daily televised trials

Posted by: Beth M at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (kiy9d)

19 Wonder if Comey has other aspirations?

Posted by: Seems legit at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (U+nHb)

20 7 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (kFnmp)

Correct, Grammy H is walking around and not pounding rocks like Huma's labia because the Democrats refuse to honor their oaths.

End of story, and when we eat a nuke I expect payback.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (SzZnW)

21 As I said the moment we heard about the five immunity deals: they are back-door pardons.

Blatant misconduct by the Justice Department.

I would hope Trump's Justice Department investigates their grant and prosecutes whomever touched this Faustian bargain. They are traitors to American justice.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (/m8T6)

22 I see Mills, with her thumb on her nose, wiggling her fingers and blowing congress a raspberry.

In other words, so what? No one needs convinced that this whole thing is a fucking sham, with payoffs and head turning. Problem is that nothing will ever come of it. Yet here we are.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (2PHKP)

23
Please God, prosecutions from AG Whoever.

And turn the DOJ up-side-down and disperse those vermin to .... well come to think of it, they'll be needed as public defenders and prosecutors all over the land after Obama's pro-criminal programs.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (oGNNA)

24 But don't worry, Putin is our problem, not our own corrupt government. Of course, when necessary, the "Justice" system will come down on you like a ton of bricks. Ask the guy whose video provoked the poor Muslims into their Benghazi attacks.

Posted by: ejo at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (il4FI)

25 See also Sandy Burger.

And Trump needs to clean house. I kinda doubt he will, but even no pushback is better than what Hillary will do.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (u0s1P)

26 Correct, Grammy H is walking around and not pounding rocks like Huma's labia because the Democrats refuse to honor their oaths.

End of story, and when we eat a nuke I expect payback.


With the GOPe in charge? Not bloody likely!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (kFnmp)

27 12 One can hope that there will be disbarment proceedings.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (jxbfJ)

(Snort) There are no consequences for the connected.

And now I really, really want to know what Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch discussed on the tarmac.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (RD7QR)

28 Although an AG Chris Krispy Kreme would probably look to prosecute where possible.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (kFnmp)

29
22 I see Mills, with her thumb on her nose, wiggling her fingers and blowing congress a raspberry.

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I don't even see that. I see Mills winking at Congress and Congress winking back.

Jason Chaffetz and a few others excepted.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (oGNNA)

30 Move it along...nuthin to see here.

Posted by: Comey! FBI!! at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (qJhUV)

31 I know it is O/T, but I think we all need a feel-good video at this point in our day. This is from WeaselZippers -

ISIS truck hit by IED. The big boom is at 0:33, the jihadi BEGINS his descent at 0:50.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hvkce3a

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (jxbfJ)

32
Eh..... saved me the trouble of a Presidential Pardon.

Posted by: Barrack Obama at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (8XRCm)

33 Well he couldn't prosecute her because she might not be President then. Hello? Makes perfect sense. Then what would he do.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it all tastes like chicken' at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (pERRc)

34 And now I really, really want to know what Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch discussed on the tarmac.

Spin the wheel, make a deal. The meeting covered exactly what we believed it covered: ignoring lawlessness.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (kFnmp)

35 Re: Pagliano. Is contempt of Congress even a thing?

Does the other side know that abandoning the rule of law will eventually bite them too?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (mgbwf)

36 >> Please God, prosecutions from AG Whoever.

Can Obama pardon himself?

Lock him up and sweat him, at least as a material witness.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (TppKb)

37 Anybody that realistically thought Hillary would face any punishment for her email scam hasn't been paying attention the past 20 years.

Posted by: Ripley at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (1BQGO)

38 You give immunity in return for testimony against a bigger lawbreaker. You don't give out immunity as a way of avoiding prosecuting someone.

If any person given immunity does not give valuable testimony, that immunity needs to be revoked. So what did Mills give up that earns her immunity?

Immunity is not supposed to be a pre-emptive pardon.

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (iIzG7)

39
And this also explains why the GOP refuses to go after the IRS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2016 12:30 PM (9P3OG)

40 26 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (kFnmp)

When we eat a Muslim nuke I think the Federal Government is done.

Period, the payback I want will be delivered by "what comes next."

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:30 PM (SzZnW)

41 Comey is filth. Well connected filth, but, filth non the less.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:30 PM (kXoT0)

42 37 Anybody that realistically thought Hillary would face any punishment for her email scam hasn't been paying attention the past 20 years.

Has she ever been punished for any of her many misdeeds?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (kFnmp)

43 Yes, that Lynch, Clinton meeting is especially disgusting. Right out in the open, that's how deals are done when you run the system.

Posted by: Seems legit at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (U+nHb)

44 >>--------------> This is how democracy looks when it's dead.

Posted by: SureArrow at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (vxRTK)

45 Is contempt of Congress even a thing?

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Eh - kind of a BS thing if you ask me.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

46 When we eat a Muslim nuke I think the Federal Government is done.

Period, the payback I want will be delivered by "what comes next."


Torches, pitchforks, etc.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (kFnmp)

47 Has she ever been punished for any of her many misdeeds?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (kFnmp)

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Have ANY of them???

Except for Scooter Libby. Who did nothing wrong.

Posted by: Barrack Obama at September 26, 2016 12:32 PM (8XRCm)

48 Imagine going to meet your Maker, trying to justify the life He gave you and the best you can tell Him is, "I was a Clinton family flunky."

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at September 26, 2016 12:32 PM (BWL+E)

49
back to my not changing socks ways.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 12:32 PM (8XRCm)

50 Except for Scooter Libby. Who did nothing wrong.

Agreed.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:32 PM (kFnmp)

51 Slash the FBI's budget by half to three-quarters.

Even better would be to use the left's playbook. Hold protests outside FBI offices. Refer to the whole organization as corrupt. Hell, conservatives should encourage Americans to shun anyone working for the FBI and their families. Make it hurt.

You can even argue from a law-and-order perspective. You can't have law and order with corrupt institutions, and if the FBI is willing to overlook criminal activity by the powerful, they're more than willing to railroad innocent men and women who challenge the powerful. This cannot be allowed to stand.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 26, 2016 12:32 PM (FYrz1)

52 I don't see that is the FBI had no intention of prosecuting her. The fact is that perhaps Comey and Fankles never had any intention of prosecuting her. The actual FBI investigation showed evidence that not only did she lie to the FBI but she also committed a number of other felonies.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 26, 2016 12:33 PM (mpXpK)

53 One of the conspiracy theories behind JFKs assassination was that the CIA hated him for his promise to break the agency and scatter it to the winds.

Trump ought to come right out and promise to wipe out the FBI, starting with Comey.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2016 12:33 PM (X6fMO)

54 "Is contempt of Congress even a thing?"

Sure it is; I have loads of it. You have no idea how much contempt I have for Congress. Hell, I have enough contempt for the Federal government to paint it with a primer coat, two coats of contempt, and a sealer coat, with enough left over for most of Sacramento.

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 12:33 PM (iIzG7)

55 Second look at Star Chambers?

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 26, 2016 12:33 PM (6n332)

56 The actual FBI investigation showed evidence that not only did she lie to the FBI but she also committed a number of other felonies.

I'd believe the individual agents were furious when I read stories about it, or see some resign. There are a few "sources say" blurbs, but if they were really self-righteous, they would come out of the shadows.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (kFnmp)

57 I have long maintained that government employees - as part of their employment - should not be afforded protections like the 5th Amendment or, in this case, Immunity, when it comes to charges involving the conduct of their government duties.
Those protections are fine if what they are accused of has nothing to do with the execution of their duties, e.g., robbing a 7-11 in their off time, but when the charge is malfeasance in performing the job that we, the taxpayers, pay them for, the normal protections should not be in play.
When I was a soldier I surrendered some of my constitutional rights. So too should members of our pampered "ruling class".

Posted by: LGoPs at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (AtCmq)

58
The "news" reported that "celebrity" Martha Stewart added to the growng list of celebrities endorsing clinton without of course mentioning, you know, Stewart is an ex-con.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (8PrS9)

59 Aaaand isn't this exactly what so many speculated: Hillary had Obama over a barrel with this because she had copies of her correspondence with him via the email server?

Obama using a pseudonym email account is about the *least* surprising revelation so far. I was kinda expecting that it would be that the emails between them would show that it's been Valerie running things all along. Then again, the email account was said to be Obamas - he may have shared it with Val just as Hillary shared hers with Huma.

Think of that: acting SoS Huma communicating with acting POTUS Valerie.
No wonder WASTF.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 12:35 PM (NOIQH)

60 "Second look at Star Chambers?"

Second look at Committees of Vigilance?

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 12:35 PM (iIzG7)

61 Is this Schindler guy still a NeverTrumper?

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at September 26, 2016 12:35 PM (m40v5)

62 I'm shocked.Shocked.

Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2016 12:35 PM (fA75F)

63 Trump ought to come right out and promise to wipe out the FBI, starting with Comey.

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Now that would get my attention. Not the first agency I would want to eliminate - but beggars can't be choosers.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX)

64 57 Posted by: LGoPs at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (AtCmq)

"I take the fifth" given by any politician's near confidants is a disqualifier from further office if the people are engaged in civic virtue.

We are instead engaged in "free shit army."

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (SzZnW)

65

Second look at righteous and harmonious fists?

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (8PrS9)

66 31 I know it is O/T, but I think we all need a feel-good video at this point in our day. This is from WeaselZippers -

ISIS truck hit by IED. The big boom is at 0:33, the jihadi BEGINS his descent at 0:50.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hvkce3a

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (jxbfJ)


Thanks, I needed that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it all tastes like chicken' at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (pERRc)

67 The investigation was a sham. That really is the only reasonable conclusion one can make after following this story. Hillary was never going to be indicted. She knew it. Obama knew it. Lynch knew it.

They went through the formality of having an investigation, but the outcome was never in doubt.

They literally had enough evidence to indict her once they seized her server and confirmed that it had classified information on it.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (3DSAh)

68 A scandal-free Administration if we give everybody immunity!

Posted by: t-bird at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (2z74n)

69 The "news" reported that "celebrity" Martha Stewart added to the growng list of celebrities endorsing clinton without of course mentioning, you know, Stewart is an ex-con.
Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (8PrS9)

Martha, dear, you are a felon who can't vote, so sit down and shut up.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (kXoT0)

70 Break them upon the wheel

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 12:37 PM (7HtZB)

71 Abuela Hillary looking good - manages to go down stairs by herself, thanks to handy railing.
And gets in van by herself too.

https://twitter.com/ABCLiz/status/780169835657519104

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 12:37 PM (Om16U)

72 Not only did the FBI give Mills immunity, but they also let her refuse to answer questions by claiming attorney-client privilege with respect to her and Hillary's criminal actions at State, even though Mills was never acting as Hillary's lawyer at State, by her own admission.

This wasn't even "investigation" theater. It was just a big "FU" to Americans who care about the rule of law. They were showing us they don't even need to bother pretending to follow the law anymore, because they can do whatever the f*ck they please, with no consequences for their lawlessness whatsoever, no matter how blatant and in-your-face it is.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (NnYnv)

73 69
Martha, dear, you are a felon who can't vote, so sit down and shut up.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened
charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:36
PM (kXoT0)

Wait, does she live in Virginia? She can there.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (jxbfJ)

74 Related:

FiveThirtyEight puts Chances of Winning at 55.3% Trump, 44.6% Clinton.

Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (9KqcB)

75 Comey was on the board of some bank that was laundering drug money, and I think Loretta Lynch gave him a deal, and then he got to be FBI director.

It's good to have friends, yes?

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (Om16U)

76
The "news" did, however, mentioned that Stewart had an Apprentice spin-off and Trump had mean things to say about HER (woman card pulled here) failed show.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (8PrS9)

77 I read that article a few days ago. It almost seems Comey decided that since nothing would be done regardless of his findings, why bother and potentially hurt himself with a "future employer".

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale- Depolorably Magnificent at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (m3iiU)

78 I'd believe the individual agents were furious
when I read stories about it, or see some resign. There are a few
"sources say" blurbs, but if they were really self-righteous, they would
come out of the shadows.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (kFnmp)
--My guess is that they are scared of being prosecuted too. Classified information is laced all throughout the investigation. If you leak and disclose something that you shouldn't, Comey will bring the entire wrath of the federal government down on you.Given the NDAs, I wouldn't be surprised if agents aren't being randomly given lie detector tests to ensure that no-one is leaking.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (3DSAh)

79 ISIS truck hit by IED. The big boom is at 0:33, the jihadi BEGINS his descent at 0:50.



17 seconds going up? Dayum.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (Hb9w3)

80 Wait, does she live in Virginia? She can there.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (jxbfJ)

I thought that was struck down. She has houses all over the place, so it depends on where she is registered to vote.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (kXoT0)

81 Serious question:

If someone refuses to testify, can we claw back immunity?

Posted by: TexasDan at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (FnuZG)

82 Gee,you would think Martha might look at the difference in the way the FBI handledher as opposed to Hillary and be rather bitter.

Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (fA75F)

83
But no mention that Martha Stewart was a convicted felon. Funny, that.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (8PrS9)

84 Another thing: Any sentient being should have known that Obama had to be cognizant of Clinton's e-mail malfeasance, long before this story of his pseudonym 'handle' came out. If he wasn't, you could add gross incompetence to his malevolence. But it wasn't incompetence. It was at the very least tacit approval. Which shows malevolence towards our security.
Which should mean something if you give a fuck about the country, but apparently about half our fellow citizens don't as long as their side wins.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (AtCmq)

85 If the President permitted a secret server for one of his top advisors and/or encouraged its use - was a crime even committed?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

86 The FBI works to protect The Totalitarians.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 12:40 PM (vUuJ6)

87 "As a Whitewater investigator for the Senate in the mid-1990s, Comey sought information from Mills; but wouldn't you know, the then-deputy White House counsel claimed a burglar stole her notes."


She's quite sure the dog didn't eat them?


But a burglar makes perfect sense. Everyone knows that fences pay top dollar for scribbled notes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:40 PM (SRKgf)

88 71 She also went potty all by herself this morning.

Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2016 12:40 PM (fA75F)

89 Martha could have easily won an appeal of her bullshit conviction but went to jail so that it wouldn't continue to be a distraction that hurt her company, its shareholders, and its employees.

She is one tough broad.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:41 PM (mgbwf)

90 "If someone refuses to testify, can we claw back immunity?"

YES. Immunity shall be revoked if the immunized witness refuses to provide testimony. It's not a carte-blanche get out of jail free card.

At least, if we have a working government, which we don't.

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 12:41 PM (iIzG7)

91 Serious question:



If someone refuses to testify, can we claw back immunity?

Posted by: TexasDan at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (FnuZG)
--It depends on the immunity agreement. It seems that the FBI was issuing limited-use immunities to these people, which isn't the same thing as a blanket grant of immunity. It also gives them the fig leaf of being able to continue to plead the Fifth, because they are still, in theory, in danger of being prosecuted.In the case of Cheryl Mills, she will probably also argue that everything is covered by the attorney-client privilege. That claim is garbage too -- but its been handled with kid gloves by the DOJ, and if the DOJ doens't challenge it, there is nothing that Congress is going to be able to do about it.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (3DSAh)

92 84 Another thing: Any sentient being should have known that Obama had to be cognizant of Clinton's e-mail malfeasance, long before this story of his pseudonym 'handle' came out. If he wasn't, you could add gross incompetence to his malevolence. But it wasn't incompetence. It was at the very least tacit approval. Which shows malevolence towards our security.
Which should mean something if you give a fuck about the country, but apparently about half our fellow citizens don't as long as their side wins.
Posted by: LGoPs at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (AtCmq)



Put Obama's travel arrangements on an open server. THEN we'll see how cavalier he is about security.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (SRKgf)

93
Can Obama pardon himself?

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (TppKb)
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Ha, good one. I'd forgotten that Himself has also been implicated.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (oGNNA)

94 "And now I really, really want to know what Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch discussed on the tarmac."

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The fix was in long before that, the meeting may as well have been just for useless gossip.

The outcome of this is very corrosive, once people lose trust in their government en masse there is no way back without a lot of retribution.

The retribution can be carried out systematically by appropriate authorities but at this stage you would need to sack half of DC to make a difference.

Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (8zHLN)

95 Because people like Andy McCarthy vouched for Comey a lot of us were thrown off. The fix was in from the start.

Trump should hound Comey from office. Recall that he put Martha Stewart in jail for deleting and then undeleting an e-mail.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (r1fLd)

96 95% of DC is guilty.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (vUuJ6)

97 We no longer have a government of the people, for the people, by the people.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (KUaJL)

98 Awesome!


Now we have a past example of how well government functions under-

a Hard Leftist on Drugs(TM):


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/25/blit

zed-norman-ohler-adolf-hitler-nazi-drug-abuse-

interview

(remove extra spaces)


The way Hillary! always looks all extra zippy after one of her accidents-

I'm pretty sure she's getting a big ole dose of amphetamine along with lots of other Dr Feelgood goodies.

We can only hope she starts screaming about the spiders crawling on her skin tonight at the debate.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (0cMkb)

99
Oh I think she didnt push the issue becuse they had a lot more on her than that piddly insider trader charge.

Theres no way thats all they had on her.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (8PrS9)

100 But a burglar makes perfect sense. Everyone knows that fences pay top dollar for scribbled notes.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:40 PM (SRKgf)

Must be the same burglar that sneaks into our house and steals my remote, just to sneakily sneak back in and return them behind the sofa cushions.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (Om16U)

101 If only we had freedom of the press in this country, everyone would know about this corruption......

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (7ZVPa)

102 wow! how in the hell was mills allowed within 50 feet of a government building?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:44 PM (WTSFk)

103 31: I'll give this to the guy who took the video, he at least knows how to hold his phone landscape view. More than one can say for most people.

Posted by: Roscoe at September 26, 2016 12:44 PM (UqeeU)

104

Can Obama pardon himself?



Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (TppKb)
--
I once asked a well-known constitutional legal scholar whether a President would have the power to pardon himself. He didn't know, one way or the other, and thought that the attempt would create a constitutional crisis.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:44 PM (3DSAh)

105
Every time I see Doris Kearns Goodwin on NBC all I can imagine is her on her knees giving bj's.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (8PrS9)

106 How anyone can vote for this lying, wretched husk of a woman is beyond me. Looking forward to her getting blown the fuck out tonight.

Posted by: Community Organizer at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (9VLhN)

107 57 I have long maintained that government employees - as part of their employment - should not be afforded protections like the 5th Amendment or, in this case, Immunity, when it comes to charges involving the conduct of their government duties.
Those protections are fine if what they are accused of has nothing to do with the execution of their duties, e.g., robbing a 7-11 in their off time, but when the charge is malfeasance in performing the job that we, the taxpayers, pay them for, the normal protections should not be in play.
When I was a soldier I surrendered some of my constitutional rights. So too should members of our pampered "ruling class".
Posted by: LGoPs at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (AtCmq)



THIS.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (SRKgf)

108 Outcome preordained? The deuce you say!

:::arches eyebrow, loses pants crease:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (d9v6L)

109 Impeach Comey

Posted by: Iblis at September 26, 2016 12:46 PM (9221z)

110 19 Wonder if Comey has other aspirations?

Continuing to be able to fog a mirror, and full retirement w/a GS-20 pension. Mostly being able to fog a mirror.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 12:46 PM (SeD0w)

111 Meanwhile, President Obama and his Persian pirate friends are counting their pallet of gold and plunder, divvying it up for retirement.

Posted by: Fritz at September 26, 2016 12:46 PM (2Mnv1)

112 Ha, good one. I'd forgotten that Himself has also been implicated.

---------------

In all serious, if Obama himself knew this and/or encouraged its use, then I'm not sure there is a crime. Hillary is not just some employee. She was the SOS - one of the principal agents for the President. I don't think this type of crime could be imposed on the President himself because of separation of power issues. She may be able to avail herself of the same defense.

The link between State and her Foundation is a different matter altogether.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:47 PM (gmeXX)

113 >>105 Every time I see Doris Kearns Goodwin on NBC all I can imagine is her on her knees giving bj's. Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (8PrS9)

I thought Bill Moyers used to give off the same vibe.

Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 12:47 PM (Bdeb0)

114
Agree on Bill Moyers, too.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:48 PM (8PrS9)

115 According to CNN...

The guy who got rid of the mail???

Well.... seems he used the term "Clinton Cover Up operation' in the trouble ticket he was doing (you use trouble tickets to document the hours you spend in a particular account...)...

Yet... both he and Mills get Immunity????

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:48 PM (qf6WZ)

116 Can Obama pardon himself?



Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (TppKb)
--
I once asked a well-known constitutional legal scholar whether a President would have the power to pardon himself. He didn't know, one way or the other, and thought that the attempt would create a constitutional crisis.

---------

Interesting question - one I don't know.

But in this case (and many), the President could say this crime cannot be enforced against him because it imposes of his duties as CIC. He could use a separation of powers issue.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

117 The way Hillary! always looks all extra zippy after one of her accidents-

I'm pretty sure she's getting a big ole dose of amphetamine along with lots of other Dr Feelgood goodies.

We can only hope she starts screaming about the spiders crawling on her skin tonight at the debate.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (0cMkb)

Yeppers, drugs are a helluva thing. They work just fine until they don't. You aren't allergic to them until you are. The amount of meds they have been pumping into her sick old body just to allow her to go to the few events she hasn't cancelled are building up accrued damage that can come due at any second. TICK TOCK

BTW, the doctor(s) doing this are committing willful malpractice--as did the doctors "taking care of" Elvis, Prince, Michael Jackson, et al.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:49 PM (kXoT0)

118 I for one am shocked, shocked to read of this.


:\

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 12:49 PM (l2Jd8)

119 That claim is garbage too -- but its been handled with kid gloves by the DOJ, and if the DOJ doens't challenge it, there is nothing that Congress is going to be able to do about it.
Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (3DSAh)

When the DoJ is partisan, it's not going to go after its own.

But Heaven forbid you be a part of the unpeople.

Posted by: Moki at September 26, 2016 12:49 PM (VnCI9)

120 I hope Trump is eating a big Taco Bowl right now listening to MORTAL KOMBAT THEME on his Dr Dre Beatz headphones.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 12:49 PM (d9v6L)

121 I'm sure that if Trump starts to bring up anything related to Hillary's email server, Lester will interrupter forcefully to keep Trump on track.

My prediction is come tomorrow, Lester will be a national hero for attacking Trump and all his "lies". Because tonight is as much about Lester securing that sweet, sweet liberal acceptance as it is about hearing Presidential candidates.

Lester sees the brass ring. Lester grabs the brass ring. All he has to do is shout down Trump.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (2PHKP)

122
ISIS truck hit by IED. The big boom is at 0:33, the jihadi BEGINS his descent at 0:50.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hvkce3a

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (jxbfJ)



As close to Heaven as that a-hole will ever come.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (SRKgf)

123 MILITARIZED THUG FEEBEES!!!!!!11!!
I must admit I still have faith in the field agents though

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (s+qMR)

124 Every time I see Doris Kearns Goodwin on NBC all I can imagine is her on her knees giving bj's.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (8PrS9)



That scrawny bit of gristle?

Well, okay then.

It takes all types I guess.


Enjoy your bunk time!


Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (0cMkb)

125 News update from 2018...

Acme Inc is pleased to announce that James Comey has been hired to become our new VP of Security. The new position will pay $5M a year and leverage Comey's long experience in security work. He recently retired from his position at the FBI and received the presidential medal of freedom.

In unrelated news, Acme Inc has signed a new contract with the Federal Government estimated to be work $1B a year.

President Clinton opined that what's good for Acme Inc is good for America.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (X7E8f)

126

Because of all of this and more, I'm voting for Trump with absolutely no guilt, and only shame for those that do not. This is the fabric, the structure of our country, the legs of our Constitution and law and order being kicked out from beneath us all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (qCMvj)

127 I don't think this type of crime could be imposed on the President himself because of separation of power issues. She may be able to avail herself of the same defense.

The link between State and her Foundation is a different matter altogether.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:47 PM (gmeXX)

The President is not above the law.

If he murders someone, he goes on trial for murder...

It may have to wait until he is out of Office to get someone to prosecute....

But he is President... not King.... he is supposed to enforce the Law, not be the Law...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (qf6WZ)

128 But in this case (and many), the President could say this crime cannot be enforced against him because it imposes of his duties as CIC. He could use a separation of powers issue.


I thought the only way he could pass classified documents is to declassify them. Which he has the power to do.

BUT, once declassified, they can't remain classified for all the underlings.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (Hb9w3)

129 121 I'm sure that if Trump starts to bring up anything related to Hillary's email server, Lester will interrupter forcefully to keep Trump on track.
My prediction is come tomorrow, Lester will be a national hero for attacking Trump and all his "lies". Because tonight is as much about Lester securing that sweet, sweet liberal acceptance as it is about hearing Presidential candidates.
Lester sees the brass ring. Lester grabs the brass ring. All he has to do is shout down Trump.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (2PHKP)



I'm not sure that that wouldn't play into Trump's hands. He can make the moderator an issue, and use it to point out the complicity of the MSM. That would hit a resonance with a LOT of people, given the very low (IIRC, 14%) approval rating of the MSM.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (SRKgf)

130
El BeeJay sermed to like Doris' bj's.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (8PrS9)

131

Holder
Comey
Lois Lerner
John Roberts
...

operatives for the destruction of our country

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 26, 2016 12:52 PM (qCMvj)

132 Hillary's ability to pardon herself is completely redundant with this congress.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 26, 2016 12:52 PM (VdICR)

133 The President is not above the law.

If he murders someone, he goes on trial for murder...

-----------

Of course, but the crime committed is related to defense and top secret documents. Very different.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:52 PM (gmeXX)

134 I don't have time to worry about this nonsense. I'm sitting down to watch this new Avengers movie I ripped from the blu-ray I own.

Hang on, someone is at the door.

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 26, 2016 12:52 PM (x4zgf)

135 "Oh I think she didnt push the issue becuse they had a lot more on her than that piddly insider trader charge.
Theres no way thats all they had on her."

She didn't inside trade. Initially she may have thought she did because the law can be murky.

She deleted and then un-deleted an e-mail. And she talked to investigators in a way they say misled them. That's what she got convicted of.

She was a Trophy Defendant, which is why Comey went after her. This gave him street cred as a Tough Prosecutor which helped promote his career.

For then folding on Hillary, he should really fry, no? Because Justice and Karma and shit.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 12:53 PM (r1fLd)

136 I'm not sure that that wouldn't play into Trump's hands. He can make the moderator an issue, and use it to point out the complicity of the MSM. That would hit a resonance with a LOT of people, given the very low (IIRC, 14%) approval rating of the MSM.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (SRKgf)


Oh, Holt is backed into a corner. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

And I don't care. It's about time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 26, 2016 12:53 PM (qCMvj)

137 But he is President... not King.... he is supposed to enforce the Law, not be the Law...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (qf6WZ)



He's got that Third World "Emperor of Obongoland" mentality. "My military" indeed. I half expect him to show up decked out like a doorman with a zillion medals, mirror sunglasses, an officer's hat, and a parrot on his shoulder.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:53 PM (SRKgf)

138 "50 Except for Scooter Libby. Who did nothing wrong."

Yep. When George W. did not pardon his good friend Scooter, I knew then and there George was not a brave man.

Posted by: Carmen at September 26, 2016 12:53 PM (RHjCR)

139 I love it. The SCOAMF promises us the most transparent Adminstration EVAH, then does correspondence with his Secretary of State under a fake-named email account to dodge exposure under the Freedom of Information Act, and to enable his SoS to violate the air-gap between secure and non-secure mail systems with his full knowledge, using a clandestine homebrew mail server that violates at least forty Federal intelligence laws.

Then his FBI fakes an investigation and hands out immunity to avoid having to prosecute anybody.

How is our Federal government any different from organized crime? Does all this immunity being passed around like a drunken blonde at a Friday night frat party cover RICO prosecutions?

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 12:53 PM (iIzG7)

140
Confirmation of James B. Comey to be Director of the FBI: Affirmed 93-1

Present - 2

NAYs - 1
Paul (R-KY)

Not Voting - 4
Chiesa (R-NJ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Rubio (R-FL)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 12:54 PM (kdS6q)

141


I'm not sure that that wouldn't play into Trump's hands. He can make
the moderator an issue, and use it to point out the complicity of the
MSM. That would hit a resonance with a LOT of people, given the very low
(IIRC, 14%) approval rating of the MSM.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:51 PM (SRKgf)

Maybe, but I think both sides have locked in support and it's that pre-existing support that loathes the media. This is a war for the indies and the low-information voters. They may hear Holt and NBC declare something a lie when it's not and decide Trump is a liar.
NBC is probably under tremendous pressure to help stop Trump, since no amount of celebrity PSAs seem to do shit. NBC has to attack him, lest the face the wrath of the liberal elite, who are shitting themselves over Trump's poll numbers.
NBC will attack. Mark my words.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:54 PM (2PHKP)

142 I confess confusion. Could someone explain once again how Donald Trump is a singularly dangerous authoritarian fascist who would spell the end the Republic and how Constitutional government can survive a Hillary Clinton administration?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsors The Hillary Whisperer! at September 26, 2016 12:55 PM (hLRSq)

143 Oh, Holt is backed into a corner. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

And I don't care. It's about time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 26, 2016 12:53 PM (qCMvj)


Me either. That's presumably why the Reds went after Lauer, to send a message. Also, presumably why they chose a mocha moderator: so that if Trump goes after him for complicity, they can scream racism, which they're dying to do here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:55 PM (SRKgf)

144 >>120
I hope Trump is eating a big Taco Bowl right now listening to MORTAL KOMBAT THEME on his Dr Dre Beatz headphones. Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 12:49 PM (d9v6L)

I hope Trump is drinking the tears of babies from a crystal goblet right now listening to a recording of the howling of the damned on his gold-plated iPod Shuffle.

Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 12:55 PM (Bdeb0)

145 NBC will attack. Mark my words.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:54 PM (2PHKP)



I have no doubt of that.

But then I'm sure Trump has no doubt of that either, and presumably (hopefully) has a counterattack ready.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (SRKgf)

146 Me either. That's presumably why the Reds went after
Lauer, to send a message. Also, presumably why they chose a mocha
moderator: so that if Trump goes after him for complicity, they can
scream racism, which they're dying to do here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 12:55 PM (SRKgf)

Good point. Tomorrow's headlines sure to include many references to sexism, racism and feinting couches.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (2PHKP)

147 "Can Obama pardon himself?

Lock him up and sweat him, at least as a material witness."


-------/

No need, he is untouchable as is Hillary whether she wins the election or not. However, flunkies like Mills and Comey are not and Obama has no power to protect them once he is out of office.

Let's see how brave they are when they are on their own.

Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (8zHLN)

148 Interesting question - one I don't know.



But in this case (and many), the President could say this crime
cannot be enforced against him because it imposes of his duties as CIC.
He could use a separation of powers issue.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:48 PM (gmeXX)
--He certainly would bring that up. He would also bandy around the notion of Presidential Immunity (I believe that there is some case law support for the idea that the person of the president has some kind of absolute legal immunity. IIRC, the contours of that immunity are fairly vague).You would need the Court to decide, I suppose. But you would also need the president to agree to go along with the Court's decision, whatever that may be. There is a textual argument that the only way to get the President out of office is to convict him on a bill of impeachment (with the implication being that regular criminal charges would not suffice).These things get messy because they devolve into political issues, and are not strict matters of law.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (3DSAh)

149 95 Because people like Andy McCarthy vouched for Comey a lot of us were thrown off. The fix was in from the start.

Posted by: Ignoramus
_____________

Remember when Andy McCarthy also assured us what a non-partisan "professional" Patrick Fitzgerald was?

Yeah. Whatever.

Posted by: Furious George at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (57K5j)

150 Which is worse? The fact that we live in a banana republic now, or that so many people don't care about it?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (cLRnF)

151 I make no bones about my dislike for Trump, but it's reached the point that I think there's really no choice. The corruption of every federal agency that's capable of harassing or intimidating US while covering up the outrageous perfidies of THEM is just too far gone; after 4-8 years of Baba Yaga (or her surviving successor) we'll have reached full banana republic status, if we're not already there. I don't know if Trump can clean out the Augean Stables of the FBI, IRS, Justice Department, EPA, and every other frigging office in DC, but maybe he can flush out a few of the less entrenched maggots.

Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (T9DQN)

152 Me either. That's presumably why the Reds went after Lauer, to send a message. Also, presumably why they chose a mocha moderator: so that if Trump goes after him for complicity, they can scream racism, which they're dying to do here.


Lester.
Lester, Lester, Lester. How about a membership to my Palm Beach country club. You know, since those in NY won't let you join??

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 12:58 PM (Hb9w3)

153 But, but, when Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch at the airport, they were just talking about their grandchildren. Really.

The problem isn't that these people are corrupt, it's that pretty much everyone in the MSM knows they're corrupt and doesn't care.

An executive from Goldman Sax could hand Hillary a 10 million dollar cash bribe in the middle of Central Park in broad daylight and they wouldn't blink an eye. Well, that's not really true. They'd find a way to excuse it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 26, 2016 12:58 PM (+lVUW)

154
Of course, but the crime committed is related to defense and top secret documents. Very different.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:52 PM (gmeXX)

Actually.... no...

The President can declassify stuff... but even he can't send stuff LEGALLY to those who should not have that information... and have it remain classified.

He also cannot bypass the Federal Records Act, or say others should not follow it (exhibit 1, Richard Nixon).

He also cannot bypass the Freedom of Information Act.

He also cannot bypass Sarbanes Oxley... which as the Clinton Foundation IS a Corporation, also comes into play...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:58 PM (qf6WZ)

155 I have to ask the tough questions. There were far too many punched baby dicks for me to do otherwise.

Posted by: Fester Holt at September 26, 2016 12:59 PM (Tyii7)

156 I confess confusion. Could someone explain once again how Donald Trump is a singularly dangerous authoritarian fascist who would spell the end the Republic and how Constitutional government can survive a Hillary Clinton administration?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH


That's probably because you don't suffer the delusion that voting for president is some kind of ego-stroking exercise.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 26, 2016 12:59 PM (V3IFq)

157 150
Which is worse? The fact that we live in a banana republic now, or that so many people don't care about it?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (cLRnF)

Better question: which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Do we have a banana republic now because no one cared to stop it, or do we not care now that we know nothing can be done?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)

158 "17 seconds going up? Dayum."




It wasn't the blast so much as the impact. Oh, wait, maybe it was.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 12:59 PM (l2Jd8)

159 I am shocked to find out that there was collusion between the FBI and the administration to fix this case like it was the Mayor getting a parking ticket fixed. Shocked I tell you.

Posted by: An Observation at September 26, 2016 12:59 PM (SAMq1)

160 @149

They are all part of the same inbred privledge syndicate.

They all bounce around from administrations to think tanks to commentariet cartel.

It's time to as they say, smash the system.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 26, 2016 12:59 PM (8mrWi)

161 120
I hope Trump is eating a big Taco Bowl right now listening to MORTAL KOMBAT THEME on his Dr Dre Beatz headphones. Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 12:49 PM (d9v6L)



I used to listen to stuff like that to get up for giving a lecture. After you've lectured for some years, it's easy to get blase, and there's nothing worse than a flat lecturer in a large lecture theater. You've got to be larger than life to project personality to every corner of the room, so every person in the audience feels you're talking to him specifically.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 01:00 PM (SRKgf)

162 Lester sees the brass ring. Lester grabs the brass ring. All he has to do is shout down Trump.


Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (2PHKP)


I think I've located Lester's problem....

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsors The Hillary Whisperer! at September 26, 2016 01:00 PM (hLRSq)

163

There is some payoff / profit mechanism involving the Clinton Foundation or Clinton Global Initiative that has not yet been clearly brought to light. ( and likely won't if left up to the MFM )

Comey has been paid and has done his part for Hillary and Bill.

Either that, or Hillary has some damning info on him.

Posted by: Sphynx at September 26, 2016 01:00 PM (OZmbA)

164 >>>NBC will attack. Mark my words.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:54 PM (2PHKP)

Trump is no Romney. If Holt attacks, Trump hits back. Trump is like that guy in Kung Fu Hustle, the harder you hit him, the more your punches bounced back.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:00 PM (d9v6L)

165 The President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

Only applies to federal crimes. And you can impeach a President who pardons himself for a federal crime

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (r1fLd)

166 If this current sad state of affairs doesn't bring out the pitchforks, then we're good to go. - Your Guv'mint

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (2PHKP)

167 There's nothing wrong with DC that 2 or 3 hundred miles of properly applied rope can't fix.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (dIc3Q)

168 "after 4-8 years of Baba Yaga"

I was raised on Baba Yaga stories. That's an insult to Baba Yaga. And her chicken-legged house.

Posted by: Moki at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (VnCI9)

169 I look at the government, and see that I have no connection to it. If Hillary should happen to win, that will cement my dissociation.
Then, all I will do is avoid the whole matter, as much as I am able.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (d6TTt)

170 Could someone explain once again how Donald Trump is a singularly dangerous authoritarian fascist
***
Because he's standing between Hillary and her coronation.

The same thing happened with left of center technocrat Romney in 2012, and "principled, maverick" McCain in 2008.

An objective analysis of Trump is that he's an asshole and green when it comes to global and national politics. The notion that he's the second coming of Woodrow Wilson (our first fascist president) is laughable.

Of course, you can't judge Trump without comparing him to her opponent. And his issues pale next to her.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (X7E8f)

171 Ugh

Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (k3vge)

172 Hey, after seeing Designated Survivor, I found myself wondering who's our Secretary of HUD right now in this Administration.

No particular reason for asking...

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (iIzG7)

173 re: leaving the Iran hostages without a plane ticket:

"Chancellor, abandoning Americans overseas is our speciality!"

- Obi-wan Obama.

Posted by: West at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (1Rgee)

174 "Which is worse? The fact that we live in a banana republic now, or that so many people don't care about it? "



People got their wi-fi and cable TV and McD's. They're not worrying much about anything.

Jackboots haven't started kicking in doors and confiscating food yet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (l2Jd8)

175
I remember way back when this broke, hundreds of people here said no way would hillary ever be prosecuted and everybody connected to her would slide.

Hundreds of Morons Can't Be Wrong. (tm)


The sad thing is when govt goes all soviet and people no longer believe people are treated equal under the law, societies tend to collapse.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (ODxAs)

176 >>No need, he is untouchable as is Hillary whether she
wins the election or not. However, flunkies like Mills and Comey are
not and Obama has no power to protect them once he is out of office.
Let's see how brave they are when they are on their own. Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (8zHLN)

They'll be fine--the deep state is intact and will remain so. Even if Hillary loses, the Inner Party will retain control of those levers of government it has (FBI, DOJ, IRS, State), and will continue to assimilate those that still elude. Immunity from prosecution has, for Inner Party members, already been shown to be a norm, not an exception.


Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (Bdeb0)

177 Heh. One of "my" writers is up on AOL front page. The Worst President in History
I dropped links right in the comments

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (Om16U)

178 You don't just randomly punch defenseless babies in the dick and get away with it. Not on my watch.

Posted by: Fester Holt at September 26, 2016 01:04 PM (Tyii7)

179 Trump is no Romney. If Holt attacks, Trump hits
back. Trump is like that guy in Kung Fu Hustle, the harder you hit him,
the more your punches bounced back.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:00 PM (d9v6L)

I hope it's not just wishcasting. As I said on a previous thread, Trump hasn't historically done well in debates. Mostly just shouting and making jokes. This will be his first debate since those. I've no frame of reference for a good Trump debate. Hope he shines, but I am worried he'll be too focused on not looking like he's attacking a woman, which will put him in a cage.

Problem is, even women want him to attack Hillary. I hope Bannon is telling him that.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:04 PM (2PHKP)

180 Jeez...its only Monday and already I can't wait for Friday afternoon to see what new information gets dumped by our betters in the Beltway.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at September 26, 2016 01:04 PM (r65B3)

181 I wonder if Billy Jeff's impromptu tarmac meeting w/Lynch went something like this: "Hey Loretta, you do realize your boss had email all over Hillary's server, right? I suggest you have a word with your top cop, and get off of Hillary's back. Also, you need to do it now. We gotta smooth this out well before election day."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 01:04 PM (SeD0w)

182 "... I found myself wondering who's our Secretary of HUD right now in this Administration...

I looked it up myself. Never mind...

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (iIzG7)

183 Pretty much the IRS, DHS, DOJ, FBI are punitive political tools of the Democrats. I don't expect much anymore.

Oh, and I forgot, the GOPe.

The best thing I ever did was unplug cable. The voices and the 24/7 BS. At least we can still unplug.

Posted by: gracepc at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (OU4q6)

184

Comey made a rational analysis sadly.

Cover for Hillary and you *will* get paid.

Don't cover for her and Lynch still squashes the case....and Hillary squashes him.

Note, that doesn't mean he should go to prison for what he did. If you aren't willing to go to the mat for the independence of the judicial system you have no damn business becoming head of the FBI/

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (X7E8f)

185 Anyone heard anything re: a comment I read this am on Twitter about an NBC intern, who was known to have access to debate questions, seen at a DNC hq in Dayton?

Posted by: ever at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (kronK)

186 Where in the constitution does it say he can't bypass FOIA? If president for national security purposes wants to use his own server is a law that restricts him an impermissible infringement on his powers as the president? And if no, does that flow through to his chief agents?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (Ms9Gm)

187 175
The sad thing is when govt goes all soviet and people no longer believe people are treated equal under the law, societies tend to collapse.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (ODxAs)

That's the danger. That's where I'm at.
Thanks why this election may be the last shot at keeping a Republic.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (d6TTt)

188

They could never prosecute Hillary

Cause then they would have to prosecute Obama

Cant do that to historic first

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (k3vge)

189 I confess confusion. Could someone explain once again how Donald Trump is a singularly dangerous authoritarian fascist who would spell the end the Republic and how Constitutional government can survive a Hillary Clinton administration?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH



It's the Democrat dialectic, sorta like Bush was an idiot and an evil genius, all at the same time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 01:06 PM (SRKgf)

190 "People got their wi-fi and cable TV and McD's."

That pretty much satisfies the definition of panem et circenses, doesn't it?

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 26, 2016 01:06 PM (iIzG7)

191
I make no bones about my dislike for Trump, but it's reached the point that I think there's really no choice.


*****

The point has been there for a while.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 26, 2016 01:06 PM (09Ay7)

192 "If you aren't willing to go to the mat for the independence of the judicial system you have no damn business becoming head of the FBI/"

Exactly. He'd make a great example. If hounded out of the FBI he'll be Too Hot To Hire.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:06 PM (r1fLd)

193 >>> If only we had freedom of the press in this country, everyone would know about this corruption......

The MSM may be a self appointed Pravda, but at least we still have the option of not consulting them. The real problem is that large numbers of people are stupid. They are dupes. They miss all the little danger signals in their reporting that should clue them in.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 26, 2016 01:07 PM (PjWy4)

194
Remember when Andy McCarthy also assured us what a non-partisan "professional" Patrick Fitzgerald was?

-----------------

Yuck, I didn't know about that.

I'm leaning towards some form of term limiting in all careers in public service. There's something corrupting about it.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:07 PM (oGNNA)

195 Trump is racist. Except he built a club in Palm Beach because the ith

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:07 PM (k3vge)

196 Ugh. Never mind

They are crazy hysterics full of lies

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:08 PM (k3vge)

197 "Yep. When George W. did not pardon his good friend Scooter"


-----

Likewise, lost a lot of respect for him then.

Colin Powell also had the power to set the record straight and did not making him less than zero in my estimation.

Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2016 01:08 PM (8zHLN)

198 The last piece of the Fascist takeover of communications is the Internet.
You know it has to be on their to- do list.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (d6TTt)

199
I think one of the keys for Trump tonight is for people not to see him as the media is trying to portray him. That simple thing and he can win voters.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (ODxAs)

200 Comey's "best?" Losers always whine about doing their best. Gutless co-opted agency heads with a federal pension and the approved Deep State brand on their left buttock--in other words, "winners"--get to go home and fuck the prom queen.

Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (Bdeb0)

201
Meanwhile, Hillary is drinking virgin's blood right now and listening to recordings of crows caw and hyenahs laugh so she can get her patter down for tonight.

Posted by: Sphynx at September 26, 2016 01:11 PM (OZmbA)

202 I can't help but ask myself why the FBI and Comey would roll over like this?

I keep seeing the same pattern. Respected individual from an institution we're supposed to respect because it works in the public interest....turns into the exact opposite. Up is down and so forth.

I think these folks get and understand the anger....they just don't care.

Washington has become Rome. We know what happened to Rome.

Posted by: Frank Pisacane at September 26, 2016 01:11 PM (MZUiJ)

203 He can be impeached at the end of his term, even out of office. Btw CBS reported $770 million tax dollars were spent rebuilding mosques around the world.
Posted by: Tally Man, Taliban, Talleyrand at September 26, 2016 01:10 PM (nCKKS)

I'm sorry, US tax dollars? For mosques overseas?

Where is the ACLU screaming about separation of church and state??? Seems to me that this would be a perfect opportunity for them to show their true adherence to that policy.

Posted by: Moki at September 26, 2016 01:12 PM (VnCI9)

204 Kinda off topic, but does anyone have a link to any credible analysis of the mysterious deaths associated with the Clintons?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 26, 2016 01:12 PM (vg8iE)

205 Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (X7E8f)

Pretty sure Comey can live comfortably without working. He's a coward and sold out. There is no excuse. Damn hard to find people of principle, willing to stand.

Posted by: gracepc at September 26, 2016 01:12 PM (OU4q6)

206 I'm really beginning to think that tjic had the right idea.

Posted by: the deplorable chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (G2Sc9)

207 "The "news" reported that "celebrity" Martha Stewart added to the growng list of celebrities endorsing clinton without of course mentioning, you know, Stewart is an ex-con."

And irony of ironies, it was James Comey who sent Martha Stewart to prison.

Posted by: The media Suxs at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (vhuiM)

208 Wonder if Comey has other aspirations?

Posted by: Seems

----

Like not getting three bullets in the back of his head?

Posted by: RKae at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (gLlq4)

209 In many ways, Washington is Rome. It's inbred and self reflecting. Cupidity is the driving force.
God help us.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (d6TTt)

210 186 Where in the constitution does it say he can't bypass FOIA? If president for national security purposes wants to use his own server is a law that restricts him an impermissible infringement on his powers as the president? And if no, does that flow through to his chief agents?
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (Ms9Gm)

There is no Presidential Power in the Constitution that says he can keep things secret from EVERYONE.

Please show me the Presidential Power that says he can bypass and ignore the Law?

I grant they do it every damn day.... its the norm (look at the War Powers act being ignored right now as we bomb Syria)....

An Executive Executes the Law... he does not ignore the Law if he wishes.

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (qf6WZ)

211 OT: Isaiah Washington apparently can't tell the difference between blacks, and Mexicans. The hubris is off the charts.

(remove line break)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2016/09/25/isaiah-washington-tells-
african-americans-boycott-work-monday/91078734/

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (PjWy4)

212 Incontrovertible proof can always be contriverted with outrageous lies.

Besides, dedicated party members see no doublethink.

Posted by: True Facts Russian News at September 26, 2016 01:14 PM (UezpB)

213 Where in the constitution does it say he can't bypass FOIA? If
president for national security purposes wants to use his own server is a
law that restricts him an impermissible infringement on his powers as
the president? And if no, does that flow through to his chief agents?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:05 PM (Ms9Gm)
--This is pretty much the argument they would make. It would essentially say that FOIA (and other federal statutes) are unconstitutional to the extent they purport to prevent the president from executing his core plenary powers under the constitution.That's the separation of powers argument. There would be others too. The Courts would muddle the whole thing up so as to give wiggle room to both sides.The resolution of these kinds of power struggles lies in the exercise of naked political power. Congress needs to have the political willpower to effectively impeach and convict the President. That necessarily means that the people have already turned on the President, otherwise Congress would never stick its neck out.
Since those conditions are so hard to reach, Presidents centralize more and more power in the executive branch. As executive powers expand, and the people accept the expansion, the difficulty in Congress checking the President continues to grow.Ultimately, you need to have the people willing to enforce a clear separation of power. You need the people to have a willingness to toss Presidents who abuse their authority (even in ways that seem minor) out when they come up for reelection.The people don't care that much.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 01:14 PM (3DSAh)

214 This has to be Bush's fault somehow ???

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 26, 2016 01:15 PM (NuElX)

215 "I can't help but ask myself why the FBI and Comey would roll over like this?"

Do you really think Obama would put someone up for the job if they were actually honest? No. Obama picked Comey for the job. Comey is one of them.

Posted by: The media Suxs at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (vhuiM)

216 There's a line in the old tv show, Homicide, where the Captain is talking about when he was a young cop, dealing with, I think, a suspect who shot a cop.

His superiors were turning a blind eye to the brutality brought down upon this suspect, and the suspect had the nerve to ask for justice.

The response, coming from his interrogators was: "Justice? There is no justice. There is just us."

That's what we have in Washington. No justice. Just us. And "us" of course, is not you and me.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (TOk1P)

217 Kinda off topic, but does anyone have a link to any credible analysis of the mysterious deaths associated with the Clintons?

I don't have the sources handy, but I can say the last 3 were really creepy. The one guy, a DNC operative was killed in his own neighborhood. Two taps to the head, wallet, money, iPhone still on him.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (SeD0w)

218 Comey is a courageous man like I am a famous opera singer in the shower.

Everybody is wonderful...until they are tested.

Posted by: PJ at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (cHuNI)

219 As is always the case...

The investigation IS the cover-up.

Posted by: RKae at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (gLlq4)

220

Bet that Houston lawyer/shooter left a note

It wasnt impulsive. He set up

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (k3vge)

221 "Anyone heard anything re: a comment I read this am on Twitter about an NBC intern, who was known to have access to debate questions, seen at a DNC hq in Dayton?"

------


No need for any skullduggery, the questions were emailed directly to Hillary or Huma with a flourish.

Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (8zHLN)

222 Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 26, 2016 01:12 PM (vg8iE)


The Clintons have had a lot of convenient deaths occur around them.

Did they have anything to do with them? Not so anyone can prove.

But, they did seem to have ties early on to the Hot Springs mafia group as did most of Arkansas politicians IMHO.

So who knows, maybe problems get taken care of for them.

But, is there any proof or smoking gun?

Nope.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 01:17 PM (0cMkb)

223 Posted by: The media Suxs at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (vhuiM)

Obama picks them. McConnell sells them.

Posted by: gracepc at September 26, 2016 01:18 PM (OU4q6)

224 The last piece of the Fascist takeover of communications is the Internet.

You know it has to be on their to- do list. Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (d6TTt)
=====

And who stuck their neck out to try to stop it? There are still commenters here yelling about someone who tries to stop obviously bad ideas. Can't figure out whether they are Ds, Establishment GOP, or just yelling because someone--who shall remain nameless--is not clapping loudly enough or kissing the ring.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 26, 2016 01:18 PM (MIKMs)

225 James Comey Says He Prosecuted Martha Stewart "Because If It Was Jane Doe She Would Have Been Prosecuted."


Really, you can't make this shit up.

Posted by: The media Suxs at September 26, 2016 01:19 PM (vhuiM)

226 Sad thing is that Comey has gone off the Obama reservation.

e.g. he told Congress that Syrian vetting was a sham.

Importantly his initial presser drew attention to Hillary's crimes.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:19 PM (r1fLd)

227 Cheryl Mills is black so she is untouchable. I also remember that during the Clinton Impeachment hearings, 185 year-old Strom Thurmond was openly flirting with her, giving her candy, according to one press report.
Old Strom had a loooong history with Cheryl Mills-type women...

Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 01:19 PM (0RV6K)

228 Ace: "He could have compelled them by the simple and routine expedient of a subpeona."

That would require a grand jury empanelled by the DOJ/US Attorney. The FBI cannot issue a subpoena. Nor can the FBI empanel a grand jury.

Insufficient attention has been paid to the role of the DOJ in actually blocking the investigation by refusing to cooperate with the FBI.

The DOJ has acted as the protector of the Clintons and the Obama Administration FROM the FBI. The DOJ was essentially operating as Hillary's own lawyers. That is why she confidently declared early on that she was relying on the "career prosecutors" in the DOJ to come to the "right" conclusion.

Unsurprisingly, the media refuses to examine the role of the DOJ or to contrast what the DOJ would have done had this been an investigation free of corruption.

And the GOP-E leadership in Congress was in on the fix. There is an obvious conflict of interest in having Lynch control an investigation into Hillary. When there is a conflict of interest, DOJ regulations call for an independent lawyer to be placed in charge of the matter. Congress never insisted on DOJ following this procedure.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 01:19 PM (fgOnp)

229 209
In many ways, Washington is Rome. It's inbred and self reflecting. Cupidity is the driving force.

God help us.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:13 PM (d6TTt)


Don't be silly.


Washington isn't Rome -- it's Byzantium.

Posted by: deplorable cthulhu at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (EzgxV)

230 Comey didnt want to be the guy who prosecuted the first black president

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (k3vge)

231 Ugh

Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (k3vge)




Tell DeNiro to go screw himself

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (493sH)

232 164 >>>NBC will attack. Mark my words.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:54 PM (2PHKP)

Trump is no Romney. If Holt attacks, Trump hits back. Trump is like that guy in Kung Fu Hustle, the harder you hit him, the more your punches bounced back.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:00 PM (d9v6L)


Trump has pwn3d the MFM for at least the past 6 months if not since he announced over a year ago.

And, we know what they did to Romney, plus the public is seemingly attuned to the MFM lying, thanks in no small part to Mr. Trump.

Holt is in a no-win situation. Face excommunication by being honest or cheat and be made a fool of on national TV.

In any case, as Rush just said, MFM or no MFM, Oma Grannydiapers has to fight for herself. It's on her wobbly shoulders.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (9P3OG)

233
Impeach James Comey.

Impeach James Comey.

Impeach James Comey.

Impeach James Comey.

Impeach James Comey.

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 01:21 PM (jBuUi)

234 I tend to think the actual mafia has gotten out of the drugs and prostitution business, and into politics. More lucrative, and impossible to be prosecuted.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (7ZVPa)

235 Wonder if Comey has other aspirations?

Posted by: Seems

----

Like not getting three bullets in the back of his head?
Posted by: RKae



Self inflicted. Using his off hand.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (Hb9w3)

236 At least we prosecuted Holder for Fast and Furious.
At least we prosecuted Lerner for "just two rogue agents in Cincinnati".


sheesh ... all they could do was prosecute Zimmerman,
or lie about "hands up don't shoot" and destroy Officer Wilson's life.
Or prosecute states that tried to control the flow of illegals destroying their state.
But if Iran demands $1.5B in mixed currencies delivered in an unmarked aircraft at night ... lickety split Obama is Johnny on the Spot.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (n6rAX)

237 In any case, as Rush just said, MFM or no MFM, Oma Grannydiapers has to fight for herself. It's on her wobbly shoulders.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (9P3OG)



Well, that and her earbud radio-link to her trainers.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (0cMkb)

238 Washington has become Rome. We know what happened to Rome.

The emperor set it on fire, blamed Christians, and set off a series of bloody purges?

Well, that's something to look forward to, I guess.

Posted by: sunny-dee at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (QAOZh)

239 Washington isn't Rome -- it's Byzantium.
Posted by: deplorable cthulhu at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (EzgxV)

On reflection, you are correct.
At least Byzantium had the nobility of being the bulwark of Christianity against the endless string of barbarian hordes.
We don't even have that anymore.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (d6TTt)

240 Sefton, you mean it all rests on her wobbly legs holding out.

Or do you mean she is a Wobbly? Or both?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 01:22 PM (fzR64)

241 @217, 222 - I had a co-worker read me a text she got from someone talking about the Clinton body count. Of course, she was claiming it was "propaganda." I told her there were indeed suspicious and/or convenient deaths associated with them. I was just hoping to find a good rundown that wasn't a link to Infowars or some other "questionable" site.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 26, 2016 01:23 PM (vg8iE)

242 "Because If It Was Jane Doe She Would Have Been Prosecuted."




Uh-oh.


What's our Jane been up to?



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 01:23 PM (l2Jd8)

243 Holy Moses...so much of reading material on the blog today. How am I ever going to get work done? I am nervous about the debate but I also think Trump has a good team around him now and he has been talking to Newt about issues..so I think he will pull it out. About Comey, what an asshat. If Trump wins I suspect he will retire before being fired.

Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 01:23 PM (a0IVu)

244 So, the debate mediator has to ask Hillary a fake-but-serious-sounding question, right? What on earth could they ask her?
"Is it true you flew a million miles as S.o.S.?"

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (SeD0w)

245 As many of us here said some time ago, the fix was in.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (0mRoj)

246 DonQ, I am not suggesting that the president is above the law, just that some laws are impermissible infringements upon the presidents article 2 powers. The constitution being the supreme law of the land renders such law void as to the president. Whether his is one of them I don't know. But as revenant says this is what would be raised. And I would be willing to hear it out. Going further my question would be does this infringement apply if it is the SOS raising it. She is more than a mere employee. She is agent of President and officer of the US. I think she could avail herself of this type of defense just as if she were the Preident. Particularly if she was acting on behalf of he president or with his approval.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (Ms9Gm)

247 231 Ugh

Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (k3vge)




Tell DeNiro to go screw himself
Posted by: TheQuietMan


In response, Trump should make an ad of a mysterious cab driver in New York talking to his fare in the backseat of a grubby 1970s taxi and all you can see of the driver is his eyes reflected in the rear view mirror, and he says, "One day, a hard rain is gonna come and wash all this filth off the streets," and then the camera pans back and it is Donald Trump as the driver and a fat De Niro as the passenger.

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (jBuUi)

248 >>>As I said on a previous thread, Trump hasn't historically done well in debates. Mostly just shouting and making jokes. This will be his first debate since those. I've no frame of reference for a good Trump debate.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:04 PM (2PHKP)

I wonder if we're missing where he succeeds. Yes, his debates suck and it all descends into a shitshow - or is that the perspective of informed principled politically active viewers, and to the average Joe Blow he looks confident and takes the fight to opponents and gets at the truth (some of his famous digs at the other candidates hit the mark)? I don't know, but he won the primaries and lasted through all the debates with terrible performances (terrible at least on an intellectual level). Maybe - MAYBE - as a salesman, he's making the sale on an emotional level? Like yes he's an asshole and vulgar and loud and doesn't know a ton of details, BUT he projects confidence and determination and optimism and maybe that's what people want to hear? A tough candidate for tough times who'll dick punch our enemies and make us great again? My prediction is he will be loud and stupid and make me cringe - but that he will also puncture Hillary's balloon and start closing the sale.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (d9v6L)

249 234 I tend to think the actual mafia has gotten out of the drugs and prostitution business, and into politics. More lucrative, and impossible to be prosecuted.

--

D'Souza argues that they are a criminal enterprise in Stealing America

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (Om16U)

250 You owe them nothing. Not loyalty, not respect, not obedience. Nothing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (QQ+il)

251 I also remember that during the Clinton Impeachment hearings, 185 year-old Strom Thurmond was openly flirting with her, giving her candy, according to one press report.
Old Strom had a loooong history with Cheryl Mills-type women...



He learned it from Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (Hb9w3)

252 85
If the President permitted a secret server for one of his top advisors and/or encouraged its use - was a crime even committed?
--

Preezy Black Jesus can't commit a crime. As an affirmative action hire, he can do anything to anyone and break any laws, and it cool

Above
The
Law.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (tvyXw)

253 249 234 I tend to think the actual mafia has gotten out of the drugs and prostitution business, and into politics. More lucrative, and impossible to be prosecuted.

--

D'Souza argues that they are a criminal enterprise in Stealing America
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (Om16U)

Health care fraud. Seriously, it's big business now.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (0mRoj)

254 "Unsurprisingly, the media refuses to examine the role of the DOJ or to contrast what the DOJ would have done had this been an investigation free of corruption."

My understanding is that the FBI investigates at the direction of others, mostly the DOJ. i.e. it can't do investigatory frolics on its own.

Here the FBI was given a too narrow mandate to investigate. In effect, Hillary's minions were off limits. It was assumed that confidential material just miraculously got onto Hillary's secret server. No one looked at the Foundation and overlaps with Hillary.

The only one who got any jail time was Guccifer, who got a four + year sentence. Were it not for Guccifer hacking Sid Vicious Blumenthal, none of this would ahve come to light.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (r1fLd)

255 Cheryl Mills doesn't have to worry about a thing. She helps Hillary because she is a true believer and she doesn't even get paid.
Her grandfather was a multi-billionaire who invented breakfast cereals after he left the army....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 01:26 PM (0RV6K)

256 The only one who got any jail time was Guccifer, who got a four + year sentence. Were it not for Guccifer hacking Sid Vicious Blumenthal, none of this would ahve come to light.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (r1fLd)

Guccifer should get a medal.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:26 PM (0mRoj)

257 "Like not getting three bullets in the back of his head?

Self inflicted. Using his off hand."




Pitty. Suicides are unfortunate things.


*spins around....walks off whistling*

Posted by: J. Comey at September 26, 2016 01:27 PM (l2Jd8)

258 Uh-oh.

What's our Jane been up to?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 01:23 PM (l2Jd


Home Improvement without a license.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:27 PM (TOk1P)

259 Ugh

Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (k3vge)


No tip.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 01:27 PM (zc3Db)

260 Expecting the executive branch to hold the executive branch accountable seems foolish to me.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (Ms9Gm)

261 This debate will not change the mind of One Trump voter.

Hillary has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

She hit her ceiling in 2008.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (vUuJ6)

262 258 Uh-oh.

What's our Jane been up to?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 01:23 PM (l2Jd


Home Improvement without a license.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:27 PM (TOk1P)

Does Code Enforcement have a SWAT team? Hell, everyone else does. She better hide the children and pets.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (0mRoj)

263 My prediction is he will be loud and stupid and make me cringe - but that he will also puncture Hillary's balloon and start closing the sale.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (d9v6L)




He ought to be careful when he does that or he'll get a whole lotta feces and urine all over himself

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (493sH)

264 Comey be my homey.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (IqV8l)

265
No need for any skullduggery, the questions were emailed directly to Hillary or Huma with a flourish.
Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (8zHLN)
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Why not? The minute you say "Hillary's email," half the country goes deaf and law enforcement stands down.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (oGNNA)

266 >>>My understanding is that the FBI investigates at the direction of others, mostly the DOJ. i.e. it can't do investigatory frolics on its own.


They can start an investigation on their own, but they can't get very far without involving a US Attorney's office. Here, the lawyers who were supervising them at DOJ were essentially counsel for the defense.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (fgOnp)

267 Can someone make a convincing case that Trump, or anyone, can fix this? I don't think you can.

And if you can't, what is the virtue of kicking the destruction of the republic down the road to our children instead of doing it hear and now via secession or Constitutional Convention?

Posted by: Joe Cassee at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (H1t5z)

268 198 The last piece of the Fascist takeover of communications is the Internet.
You know it has to be on their to- do list.
Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (d6TTt)

On October 1 the internet naming system will be 'given' to ICANN... a Non Profit incorporated in California.

I expect it to be moved 'soon'....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (qf6WZ)

269 268 198 The last piece of the Fascist takeover of communications is the Internet.
You know it has to be on their to- do list.
Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (d6TTt)

On October 1 the internet naming system will be 'given' to ICANN... a Non Profit incorporated in California.

I expect it to be moved 'soon'....
Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (qf6WZ)

That really is some scary shit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (0mRoj)

270
Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (k3vge)
-----------------

No Uber in your neck of the woods?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:30 PM (oGNNA)

271 Expecting the executive branch to hold the executive branch accountable seems foolish to me.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (Ms9Gm)

Correct. Between that and Uniparty, expecting any change to ever come from DC is unrealistic.
The changes we need will have to come from the ground up.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:30 PM (d6TTt)

272 "The only one who got any jail time was Guccifer, who got a four + year sentence."

And I'm not even sure he hacked her account. She had no password. Seems like it was open for anyone to access. They just had to know it was there.

Posted by: The media Suxs at September 26, 2016 01:30 PM (vhuiM)

273 I still believe it was fortunate that George W. Bush was president when we suffered 9/11, but he really is either a dope, a goody-two shoes or Ghandi-like figure to be able to bear the likes of Moochelle Obama--his great friend--after the shellacking the Obamas and all the Democrats gave him and continue to this day to give him. I mean, the guy is just blind to the optics of cozying up to her. It's things like these that add weight to Trump's charge that the game is rigged and these people are all on one side.....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 01:30 PM (0RV6K)

274 As my democrat "friends" were cheering Obama's win and kicking "that monkey" W. to the curb, I told them they had just elected the Corrupt Chicago Politics into the White House, and once there it'll never leave.

Posted by: Scotty doesn't, No at September 26, 2016 01:30 PM (XyCf+)

275 How's that ballot box working out for y'all?

I had a quote about how freedom is kept ... but then with all the safe spaces and shit ...

What difference at this point does it make?

Posted by: Zombie Thomas Jefferson at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (7xXal)

276 sham from the start...

well, yes. would the democrats really go all in on a candidate who might have been indicted?

Posted by: Sambo at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (CwNIZ)

277 Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary


Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:03 PM (k3vge)


No tip.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 01:27 PM (zc3Db)>>>
The Tip should be "Steer clear of politics and you might make more money"

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (81UWZ)

278 253 249 234 I tend to think the actual mafia has gotten out of the drugs and prostitution business, and into politics. More lucrative, and impossible to be prosecuted.

--

D'Souza argues that they are a criminal enterprise in Stealing America
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (Om16U)

Health care fraud. Seriously, it's big business now.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (0mRoj)

How does Health Care Fraud work?

To me the whole industry in the USA is Fraud. I'm sure there are good people but the price fixing and monopolies and the FDA are criminal.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (vUuJ6)

279 I remember a long, long time back (possibly in the '80s) a charlatan named Peter Popoff got his ear-piece hacked at one of his shows. Some people found his frequency, and discovered that there were aides who were feeding him names of people in the audience who needed healings for specific maladies.

Damn! Why won't someone get on Hillary's frequency and start feeding her fun cues?!!!

"Michelle Obama is a man! Say it, Hillary! Trust us!"

Can you imagine the look on her face?

Posted by: RKae at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (gLlq4)

280 267 Can someone make a convincing case that Trump, or anyone, can fix this? I don't think you can.

And if you can't, what is the virtue of kicking the destruction of the republic down the road to our children instead of doing it hear and now via secession or Constitutional Convention?
Posted by: Joe Cassee at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (H1t5z)

Secession? Ha! Hahaha!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: Zombie Abe Lincoln at September 26, 2016 01:32 PM (0mRoj)

281 Does Code Enforcement have a SWAT team? Hell, everyone else does. She better hide the children and pets.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (0mRoj)



We have a little Nazi who drives around in a tiny pickup truck, dropping off his notices whenever somebody doesn't cut their grass often enough, or leaves debris in their yards too long.


He uses words like "property values." I swear, when the balloon goes up, I'm looking for him first. He'll be one of the first to start wearing the swastika.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:32 PM (TOk1P)

282 The article linked here is OK/meh, in that it understates the issues it raises. The catalog-sized set of felonious violations of the Espionage Act and obstruction of justice statutes is just touched on.

So the dereliction here is even worse than it appears.

There has long been a mostly wrong widespread belief that some at the top are above the law. CIA director Deutsch lost his position over what by comparison was a minor (if still inexplicably reckless) violation of security procedures.

There wasn't the slightest surprise that his comparatively minor failure ended Deutsch's career (and he wasn't being hounded by any political or govt. faction over any length of time prior).

So many of what were near-universal popular/populist shibboleths just 15 years ago are now reality. America IS degraded, noticeably and meaningfully, in many subtle but key ways, that simply weren't true even recently.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 26, 2016 01:32 PM (QDnY+)

283 230 Comey didnt want to be the guy who prosecuted the first black president
Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 01:20 PM (k3vge)



Why not? We're all about historic firsts these days.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 01:32 PM (SRKgf)

284 "Ugh



Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary"

Uber ? Downgrade, with a comment to keep his trap shut

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (c6/9Q)

285 "Does Code Enforcement have a SWAT team? Hell, everyone else does. She better hide the children and pets."




If they don't they probably will soon. Making a little deck extension around the above ground pool...........the raid moves in, shoots your dog, takes you're wife to the ground, holds you at gun point.


You didn't file the $75 permit, vermin.

Posted by: J. Comey at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (l2Jd8)

286 Below is the list of all the honorable FBI agents who resigned in protest because they care more about the integrity and reputation of the FBI than their own salaries and pensions:

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (e2Rx3)

287 268 198 The last piece of the Fascist takeover of communications is the Internet.
You know it has to be on their to- do list.
Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:09 PM (d6TTt)

On October 1 the internet naming system will be 'given' to ICANN... a Non Profit incorporated in California.

I expect it to be moved 'soon'....
Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:29 PM (qf6WZ)


Go long in razor wire and box cars.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (vUuJ6)

288 Question for the lawyers out there. It's been my understanding that because the FBI is a law enforcement agency, it couldn't actually prosecute anything. The most they COULD do is recommend prosecution when they hand over evidence to the DOJ. So if that is true, how is it then that the FBI is able to grant immunity from prosecution if they have no actual authority to prosecute?

Posted by: Marvin The Martian at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (hSjcu)

289
Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 01:30 PM (0RV6K)

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He's a dope. The insults and lies the Obamas slung at him and at the nation were evil.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (oGNNA)

290
Taxi driver really wants me to vote for Hillary

You talkin' to me?

Posted by: Travis Bickel at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (IqV8l)

291 And if you can't, what is the virtue of kicking the destruction of the republic down the road to our children instead of doing it hear and now via secession or Constitutional Convention?



It's like a coup without enough backing. It'll fizzle out and the reprisals will be epic.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:34 PM (Hb9w3)

292 261
This debate will not change the mind of One Trump voter.



Hillary has everything to lose and nothing to gain.



She hit her ceiling in 2008.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (vUuJ6)

Honestly, nothing will change Hill Supporters either. Each camp is entrenched around 40%. It's the indie-undecideds that will swing this.
I had hope that a lot of Hillary supporters would bleed off, as they came to know the real Hillary - queen of corruption, graft, pay-for-play, etc. But she's still got her base. And the MFM. And the Hollywood elite machine, and the twitter corporation and the facebook corporation. And Mark Cuban.

She's convinced all those rubes that Trump is seriously worse than Hitler, though the irony is that it's Clinton's camp using Goebbel's "repeat a lie till it becomes truth" shtick.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (2PHKP)

293 The FBI doesn't actually grant the immunity. It comes from DOJ.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (Ms9Gm)

294 Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (Ms9Gm)

Except the 'system' is that said law was passed by Congress, and either Signed by a President, or his veto was over ridden.

If it was an infringement upon Presidential Power, then THAT was the time make that determination.

He could 'after the fact' go back to the Courts, and get a law overturned... but that is not what is happening...

He is blatantly ignoring the law, because he finds it inconvenient... he is NOT using the system to overturn said law.

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (qf6WZ)

295 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:24 PM (d9v6L)


You're kind of forgetting Hillary!'s signature move.

I expect a lot a lot of head shaking and cackling whenever Trump speaks. Lots of "Oh, Donald!"s too.

She is going to go full Joe Biden against Paul Ryan on him. Talk about his "lies". Laugh and cackle. Shake her head.

That's what they've set up in the media.

She'll spout one or two talking points so the MSM can swoon over her command of "the facts" and experience.

And with Holt providing comfort and cover for any mistakes on her part, it will be tough.

Trump better be ready to be "Trump" and hit her hard. Particularly, using her cake against her as she tries to laugh away serious matters like jobs, illegal aliens, muslim violence, Benghazi-

if Trump is smart and aggressive, he can ram that right back down her throat.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (0cMkb)

296 >>>doesn't know a ton of details


This reminds me of the dynamic between Carter and Reagan. Reagan was portrayed in the media as not having command of details, and Carter was portrayed as a super policy-wonk who knew everything about everything.

But average Americans got the impression that Carter's executive ability was not very good, and that it was less important to know the details than to be able to delegate properly, to exercise good judgment and to have the best interests of the country at heart and not be constrained by one's own liberal shibboleths.

When it was learned that Jimmy Carter actually himself did the schedule for the White House tennis courts, that became representative of his over attention to detail and lack of overall executive ability.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (fgOnp)

297 DonQ, quite simply existing congress and existing president cannot bind future ones. Further they cannot override constitution. See line item veto.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:37 PM (Ms9Gm)

298 Pretty easy solution ... stop supporting their coup.

Who has an iPhone? (Not this guy)

Who uses Google? (Not this guy)

Who pays his taxes? (Okay, well ... 2 out of 3 ain't bad)

Posted by: Common Sense at September 26, 2016 01:37 PM (Q1u0H)

299 279
I remember a long, long time back (possibly in the '80s) a charlatan
named Peter Popoff got his ear-piece hacked at one of his shows. Some
people found his frequency, and discovered that there were aides who
were feeding him names of people in the audience who needed healings for
specific maladies.



Damn! Why won't someone get on Hillary's frequency and start feeding her fun cues?!!!



"Michelle Obama is a man! Say it, Hillary! Trust us!"



Can you imagine the look on her face?

Posted by: RKae at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (gLlq4)

HMMM!! Someone put this out on Twitter and see if we can find some radio specialists who can pick up, and record, Hillary's ear piece! Brilliant!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:37 PM (2PHKP)

300 "So if that is true, how is it then that the FBI is able to grant immunity from prosecution if they have no actual authority to prosecute?"
"The FBI doesn't actually grant the immunity. It comes from DOJ."

I don't think the DOJ can do it without involving a court or a grand jury, which wasn't the case here.

Sounds like the DOJ just said "don't worry, be happy."

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (r1fLd)

301
Question for the lawyers out there. It's been my understanding that
because the FBI is a law enforcement agency, it couldn't actually
prosecute anything. The most they COULD do is recommend prosecution
when they hand over evidence to the DOJ. So if that is true, how is it
then that the FBI is able to grant immunity from prosecution if they
have no actual authority to prosecute?

Posted by: Marvin The Martian at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (hSjcu)--Technically, the DOJ is granting the immunity, either on its own, or through the FBI's request. US Attorneys from the DOJ had to be involved in the FBI investigation. They are the ones who controlled whether to bring an indictment, and they would be the ones who would open any court proceeding (for, say, a motion to compel compliance with a subpoena).The FBI's job is to investigate and produce a recommendation to prosecute for the DOJ, but the DOJ is involved in the investigative process too, and, in a big case like this, almost certainly right from the beginning.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (3DSAh)

302 The only one who got any jail time was Guccifer, who
got a four + year sentence. Were it not for Guccifer hacking Sid
Vicious Blumenthal, none of this would ahve come to light.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:25 PM (r1fLd)



Guccifer should get a medal.


Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable

===========

Its going to wind up like in Eastern Promises, where you get a tattoo in prison telling how you did whatever and anybody who works for the government is a weak bitch.

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (U0lQa)

303 And if you can't, what is the virtue of kicking the destruction of the republic down the road to our children instead of doing it hear and now via secession or Constitutional Convention?



It's like a coup without enough backing. It'll fizzle out and the reprisals will be epic.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:34 PM (Hb9w3)

You sure about that not enough backing part?

Problem is the more time we take to prepare, the more time they get to prepare. Maybe the time isn't right now, but then it never really is. It all depends on when we've had enough.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (Idu2i)

304 292 261
This debate will not change the mind of One Trump voter.



Hillary has everything to lose and nothing to gain.



She hit her ceiling in 2008.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:28 PM (vUuJ6)

Honestly, nothing will change Hill Supporters either. Each camp is entrenched around 40%. It's the indie-undecideds that will swing this.
I had hope that a lot of Hillary supporters would bleed off, as they came to know the real Hillary - queen of corruption, graft, pay-for-play, etc. But she's still got her base. And the MFM. And the Hollywood elite machine, and the twitter corporation and the facebook corporation. And Mark Cuban.

She's convinced all those rubes that Trump is seriously worse than Hitler, though the irony is that it's Clinton's camp using Goebbel's "repeat a lie till it becomes truth" shtick.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (2PHKP)

Correct she is at 40-42% in a national 4 way race. Trump wil be 49-51.

It will be a landslide.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (vUuJ6)

305 Laws are a terrible way to check the president.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (Ms9Gm)

306 If they don't they probably will soon. Making a little deck extension around the above ground pool...........the raid moves in, shoots your dog, takes you're wife to the ground, holds you at gun point.

You didn't file the $75 permit, vermin.

Posted by: J. Comey at September 26, 2016 01:33 PM (l2Jd


The scary thing is, it doesn't seem all that far-fetched.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (TOk1P)

307
It's not great but not necessarily a smoking gun of abject corruption. They could justify the grants of immunity as a effort to expedite the investigation prior to the election. Otherwise the objects would not have cooperated and the items would not have been obtained prior to election. Yes a political reason.

I mean clearly the politics of the situation were the most important thing. If this were a drug investigation or RICO for mobsters, with no election "deadline" those immunities wouldn't have been granted. Its pretty clear one of the main considerations was political and actually upholding the criminal law was made secondary. Its not pretty. Its probably within discretion with the Justice Department to do such things. The Clintons are just gross, and whatever they get involved with gets mud on it.

Posted by: simplemind at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (C6xeQ)

308 I expect a lot a lot of head shaking and cackling whenever Trump speaks. Lots of "Oh, Donald!"s too.

She is going to go full Joe Biden against Paul Ryan on him. Talk about his "lies". Laugh and cackle. Shake her head.


-----------

Once she starts shaking, she may not be able to control it.

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 01:39 PM (7HtZB)

309 I remember a long, long time back (possibly in the '80s) a charlatan
named Peter Popoff got his ear-piece hacked at one of his shows. Some
people found his frequency, and discovered that there were aides who
were feeding him names of people in the audience who needed healings for
specific maladies.

He's still around, and still fun to watch.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 26, 2016 01:39 PM (Idu2i)

310 This is why I can't buy into the whole "patriotism" shtick anymore ... there's very little worth saving, even less that can be actually be salvaged, and around half of the populace that I would really like to get away from.

The country should fall. It's not worth propping up any longer.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2016 01:39 PM (xIBU4)

311 You owe them nothing. Not loyalty, not respect, not obedience. Nothing.
Posted by: Grump928(c)


This. You don't owe criminals the normal civilities that are due non-criminals.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 26, 2016 01:39 PM (PjWy4)

312 This post should have been topped with a flaming skull. That it wasn't is a sad testimony to how inured and desensitized we've become to all things Hillary.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (o7l6R)

313 298 Pretty easy solution ... stop supporting their coup.

Who has an iPhone? (Not this guy)

Who uses Google? (Not this guy)

Who pays his taxes? (Okay, well ... 2 out of 3 ain't bad)
Posted by: Common Sense at September 26, 2016 01:37 PM (Q1u0H)


For some reason, this reminds me of an old song, some of the lyrics
" there's a man goin' round
takin' down names"
Can't remember the song, just the tune.
Probably a preview of Hillary's Utopia, though.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (d6TTt)

314
She is going to go full Joe Biden against Paul Ryan on him. Talk about his "lies". Laugh and cackle. Shake her head.

Well we can always hope someone drops a house on her...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (O2RFr)

315
Correct she is at 40-42% in a national 4 way race. Trump wil be 49-51.



It will be a landslide.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:38 PM (vUuJ6)

Your frog lips to god's ears.
I do see some hope in that she's tanked with Millenials, who hate her guts and might just rally to elect Trump for LULZ.
Wouldn't that be something.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (2PHKP)

316 Problem is the more time we take to prepare, the more time they get to prepare. Maybe the time isn't right now, but then it never really is. It all depends on when we've had enough.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it

Yep. But a lot of folks here and other places in Trumpland haven't yet grappled with the fact that the republic's goose is cooked. This thing with the emails and the FBI is the lastest, most gratuitous example.

Our laws are not laws.

Posted by: Joe Cassee at September 26, 2016 01:41 PM (H1t5z)

317 Is Nip Sip around? He owes me a case of Valu-Rite for tonight.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 26, 2016 01:41 PM (Idu2i)

318 For some reason, this reminds me of an old song, some of the lyrics

" there's a man goin' round

takin' down names"

Can't remember the song, just the tune.

Probably a preview of Hillary's Utopia, though.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (d6TTt)

Johnny cash. Song he did with Trent Reznor

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:41 PM (2PHKP)

319 The Clinton body count. Many of these seem tenuous, but there they are. At best, it suggests that any association with the Clintons at all may beget cosmic bad karma:


http://preview.tinyurl.com/jh4j2a4

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (9mTYi)

320 Oops - looks like I'm second-guessing this blog. Didn't mean to: I'm just very sad today.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (o7l6R)

321 I hope we get the screaming lazy eyed Hillary tonight...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (O2RFr)

322 When the man comes around, I believe was the title.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (2PHKP)

323 " there's a man goin' round
takin' down names"
Can't remember the song, just the tune.
Probably a preview of Hillary's Utopia, though.
Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (d6TTt)

I believe that's Mr. Johnny Cash, The Man Comes Around. Yes?

Posted by: Pug Mahon of the Clan Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (RwwCT)

324 Here's hoping that when DistHillary starts her cackling laugh routine, Trump interrupts and says, "Enough of the fake laughter. People see right through it, and it makes them think you're a phony."

Posted by: Furious George at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (57K5j)

325 You owe them nothing. Not loyalty, not respect, not obedience. Nothing.
Posted by: Grump928(c)

This. You don't owe criminals the normal civilities that are due non-criminals.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 26, 2016 01:39 PM (PjWy4)


And with all this talk, I'm still wondering if we're all supposed to agree that Snowden was a bad guy or not.


Seems to me when his story broke, there were a LOT of people trying to forcefully convince everyone that the only proper word for what he did was "treason."


Honestly, I still don't know, and frankly, at this point I don't trust the bastards in this country more than I trust the Russians. So again, I'm not sure what to think.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (TOk1P)

326 Question for the lawyers out there. It's been my understanding that because the FBI is a law enforcement agency, it couldn't actually prosecute anything. The most they COULD do is recommend prosecution when they hand over evidence to the DOJ. So if that is true, how is it then that the FBI is able to grant immunity from prosecution if they have no actual authority to prosecute?

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That's correct. The DOJ makes charging decisions and grants immunity. And we all know that the DOJ is incorruptible.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 01:43 PM (Nwg0u)

327 Johnny cash. Song he did with Trent Reznor
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:41 PM (2PHKP)

Yeah!
Thanks, Alabama!

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:43 PM (d6TTt)

328 But average Americans got the impression that Carter's executive ability was not very good, and that it was less important to know the details than to be able to delegate properly, to exercise good judgment and to have the best interests of the country at heart and not be constrained by one's own liberal shibboleths.


Only an idiot would even ATTEMPT to do more than a small fraction of the tasks under the President's purview. He's there to make decisions, see things get done, and to hold people accountable - i.e., to delegate - not to actually do all this shit himself. No one expects the SecDef to be able to field strip a weapon.

The measure of an executive is his ability to select good people, and to delegate to them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 01:43 PM (SRKgf)

329 re Hillary's ear piece:

Dr. Ted Noel has a new video up at Webtech Vidzette on youtube discussing Hillary's health in advance of the debate.

He believes her earpiece is a model CIC-V device used for Parkinson's patients to assist them in speaking at the proper volume.

He points to an email from September 2009 to Hillary from Huma in which Huma asks "Did u take your earpiece or do I need to get it?"

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 01:43 PM (fgOnp)

330 318 For some reason, this reminds me of an old song, some of the lyrics

" there's a man goin' round

takin' down names"

Can't remember the song, just the tune.

Probably a preview of Hillary's Utopia, though.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 01:40 PM (d6TTt)

Johnny cash. Song he did with Trent Reznor
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:41 PM (2PHKP)

When The Man (i.e. Christ) Comes Around

http://tinyurl.com/ha887et

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 01:43 PM (7HtZB)

331 321 I hope we get the screaming lazy eyed Hillary tonight...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (O2RFr)



I'm hoping "Blue Screen" Hillary makes an appearance.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 26, 2016 01:44 PM (SRKgf)

332 297 DonQ, quite simply existing congress and existing president cannot bind future ones. Further they cannot override constitution. See line item veto.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:37 PM (Ms9Gm)

Um... no.... that is exactly what a Law is... Congress binds itself, and us, with laws all the time... they can go back and use the system to CHANGE a law, but they can't ignore existing law.

And this is not an over ride of the Constitution...

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Operative Congressional Powers.

Congress has the power to make rules that the Government must follow.. and pass laws about them.

FOIA is a rule for government... which is enforced by a law, passed by Congress.

I see nothing in a Presidential power that says he himself is not bound by said rule (as he IS part of the Government), nor can he tell his staff to ignore said law.

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qf6WZ)

333 Trump better be ready to be "Trump" and hit her hard. Particularly, using her cake against her as she tries to laugh away serious matters like jobs, illegal aliens, muslim violence, Benghazi-

if Trump is smart and aggressive, he can ram that right back down her throat.




Spit it out Hill! Spit it out!!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:44 PM (Hb9w3)

334 Rick Rubin, not Trent Reznor. My bad.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:44 PM (2PHKP)

335 Really, in the grand scheme of things; this revelation isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. The GOP will sit by and do nothing. The Trump campaign might make some political hay (which is the first stage of bullshit) in the debate(s). But overall, nothing will come of this.

Because the GOP is a bunch of invertebrate, feckless parasites.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (i0ykY)

336 The Clinton body count. Many of these seem tenuous, but there they are. At best, it suggests that any association with the Clintons at all may beget cosmic bad karma:

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And when you add in the rapes it's even worse.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (Nwg0u)

337 OT - Drudge has a picture of younger Trump - he had the combover even then!

Posted by: IC at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (a0IVu)

338
expect a lot a lot of head shaking and cackling whenever Trump speaks. Lots of "Oh, Donald!"s too.

She is going to go full Joe Biden against Paul Ryan on him. Talk about his "lies". Laugh and cackle. Shake her head.
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I was thinking that, too. It worked for Biden, and Team Hillary has probably determined that the wooden stake against Trump is ridicule. In addition, her being rude and trying to laugh over him is the sort of thing that might provoke him into a Trumpian crime against women.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (oGNNA)

339 I hope Trump has some Halls lozenges at the ready to offer her.

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (7HtZB)

340 The country should fall. It's not worth propping up any longer.
Posted by: ScoggDog
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I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard.

I have an unpaid debt to my ancestors and others who suffered and labored to establish and maintain a free society.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (9mTYi)

341 GAAK! I'm conflicted!!

Watch or don't watch?!?!

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (6xtq3)

342 There's a Women for Trump event this week - should I go?

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (Om16U)

343 >>318
For some reason, this reminds me of an old song, some of the lyrics
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:41 PM (2PHKP)

"Don't let it bring you down/it's only castles burning/find someone who's turning/and you will come around..."

Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (Bdeb0)

344 341
GAAK! I'm conflicted!!



Watch or don't watch?!?!

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (6xtq3)

Watch, but live snark here.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (2PHKP)

345 Comey sought information from Mills; but wouldn't you know, the then-deputy White House counsel claimed a burglar stole her notes.

He misheard her. She said "Sandy Berger" stole her notes. In his pants.

Have people here seen images of the podiums? How Trump's is a different height than Hillary's? Its hilarious, they're trying to control the optics so hard.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (39g3+)

346
There's a Women for Trump event this week - should I go?
Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (Om16U)
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Sure, why not? Wear a Deplorable t-shirt if you have one.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (oGNNA)

347 How does Health Care Fraud work?

To me the whole industry in the USA is Fraud. I'm sure there are good people but the price fixing and monopolies and the FDA are criminal.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (vUuJ6)

The scam basically works like this, and mainly involves Medicare and Medicaid. The crooks set up a sham health care company - home health, DME, whatever - and get it enrolled with Medicare and/or Medicaid as a provider/supplier of services. They obtain, either through purchase or identity theft, the Medicare and Medicaid enrollee numbers of a large number of people. Then they start filing fabricated electronic claims using these numbers. The claims get paid electronically. They keep this up until the enforcement authorities start to catch on. They take the money and run, then start up another one.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (0mRoj)

348 "The DOJ makes charging decisions and grants immunity."

I'm pretty sure immunity requires the DOJ to get an order from a court. Was there a court involved? If so, off the usual grid?

Else it was the DOJ just making it up, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (r1fLd)

349 88 71 She also went potty all by herself this morning.

Posted by: steevy

Do you really believe that?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 26, 2016 01:48 PM (kfcYC)

350 Watch, but live snark here.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (2PHKP)
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I'm thinking that's what I'm going to try.

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 01:48 PM (6xtq3)

351 And with all this talk, I'm still wondering if we're all supposed to agree that Snowden was a bad guy or not.


Seems to me when his story broke, there were a LOT of people trying to forcefully convince everyone that the only proper word for what he did was "treason."


Honestly, I still don't know, and frankly, at this point I don't trust the bastards in this country more than I trust the Russians. So again, I'm not sure what to think.


Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (TOk1P)

Snowden did the right thing. He helped expose the extent of the rot. This isn't like other espionage cases of the past.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (Idu2i)

352
GAAK! I'm conflicted!!



Watch or don't watch?!?!

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (6xtq3)
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Don't watch. Just show up here and hit F5 over and over and read along as a few brave morons report on the proceedings.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (oGNNA)

353 While Obama and Hillary have studied Alinsky, I think that Alinsky was a true student of Goebbels, and more specifically the principal of the Big Lie.
Lie so colossally and do it so brazenly that no one will dare call it out as a lie.
Use a private server when its grossly inappropriate, but flaunt it in front of everyone, so you can claim there was "obviously" nothing wrong with it.
Cover your tracks by conspiring to protect those around you with blatant Get Out of Jail Free passes, and no one will call you on it because the truth (the lie) can't be that obvious.
And so, they continue complaining about "no smoking gun" when there's a corpse with an ice pick sticking out of its head.
I become physically nauseated thinking about the state of our Republic, and the blatant manipulation of our Constitution and laws.
And I feel not a little shame for having done so little in response, but instead going about my business quietly (if with occasional complaint).

Posted by: xnycpeasant at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (c0/+W)

354 45 Is contempt of Congress even a thing?

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Eh - kind of a BS thing if you ask me.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

Yup. About as much good as a Hans Brix angry letter.

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (E1NNj)

355 350 No.

Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (fA75F)

356 319 The Clinton body count. Many of these seem tenuous, but there they are. At best, it suggests that any association with the Clintons at all may beget cosmic bad karma:


One or possibly two could be waved away. I'm 53 and have a zero body count.

We you hit high double digits, high enough to make John Wesley Hardin cringe, you've got a meme on your hands.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (Hb9w3)

357 Oops - looks like I'm second-guessing this blog. Didn't mean to: I'm just very sad today.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 26, 2016 01:42 PM (o7l6R)



One of the good things about this place is you CAN second guess the boss, even tell him he's dead wrong about something without fear of being silenced.


I happen to agree with you. This looks like the sort of thing that SHOULD cause a candidate, all by itself, to resign a race. But it won't. Instead, it's just Monday.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (TOk1P)

358 I just wish Jimmy had stuck to tennis court scheduling and left the real presidenting to someone else.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (Nwg0u)

359 DonQ, with respect to this specific law and its application you may be right. Though I think a president would say it is an imposition. We can disagree on whether it is or isn't. My point is simply this. If you believe it overrides the constitution then it is not law.

My big point is this is why the law is a lousy way to check the president.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 01:50 PM (Ms9Gm)

360 Um... no.... that is exactly what a Law is... Congress binds itself,
and us, with laws all the time... they can go back and use the system
to CHANGE a law, but they can't ignore existing law.



And this is not an over ride of the Constitution...



To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;



To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying
into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
Department or Officer thereof.



Operative Congressional Powers.



Congress has the power to make rules that the Government must follow.. and pass laws about them.



FOIA is a rule for government... which is enforced by a law, passed by Congress.



I see nothing in a Presidential power that says he himself is not
bound by said rule (as he IS part of the Government), nor can he tell
his staff to ignore said law.

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qf6WZ)
--A statute cannot override the Constitution. Congress can purport to pass a valid statute, but if it is found to violate the Constitution, the statute will be stricken as invalid.Congress passing a statute does not make an unconstitutional statute constitutional. A president signing an unconstitutional statute does not make it constitutional.A later President may well take the position that an act passed by Congress, that was followed by previous presidents is, in fact, unconstitutional. For example, the War Powers Act, which purports to give the president a timeline for using military power before coming to Congress for an explicit authorization, may well be unconstitutional.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 01:50 PM (3DSAh)

361 348 How does Health Care Fraud work?

To me the whole industry in the USA is Fraud. I'm sure there are good people but the price fixing and monopolies and the FDA are criminal.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:31 PM (vUuJ6)

The scam basically works like this, and mainly involves Medicare and Medicaid. The crooks set up a sham health care company - home health, DME, whatever - and get it enrolled with Medicare and/or Medicaid as a provider/supplier of services. They obtain, either through purchase or identity theft, the Medicare and Medicaid enrollee numbers of a large number of people. Then they start filing fabricated electronic claims using these numbers. The claims get paid electronically. They keep this up until the enforcement authorities start to catch on. They take the money and run, then start up another one.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (0mRoj)

Sounds lucrative and right up the mafia's alley.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:51 PM (vUuJ6)

362 Don't watch. Just show up here and hit F5 over and over and read along as a few brave morons report on the proceedings.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (oGNNA)
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Have the expendables here, the watchers, been named?

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 01:51 PM (6xtq3)

363 Snowden did the right thing. He helped expose the extent of the rot.

This isn't like other espionage cases of the past.



Because, thanks to Hill and Obola, the "secrets" were already out there. Those that wanted to know, did.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Hb9w3)

364 HAHA! Some poster on Gateway Pundit said Trump should pull a page from A Few Good Men. Ask Hillary if she ordered the Code Red on Vince Foster.

She might actually want to admit it. She's psycho enough.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 01:51 PM (2PHKP)

365 >>>I expect a lot a lot of head shaking and cackling whenever Trump speaks. Lots of "Oh, Donald!"s too.

She is going to go full Joe Biden against Paul Ryan on him. Talk about his "lies". Laugh and cackle. Shake her head.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 01:35 PM (0cMkb)

That would be a mistake. Remember she needs to motivate turnout because she sucks as a candidate. That's why Trump = racist Hitler. If she's laughing at racist alt-right Hitler, then it must not be that bad or scary. Trump already is a buffoon, trying to make him out to be a buffoon is no change, he needs to be made to be evil and dangerous.
Biden laughed at Ryan because Ryan had the "whiz kid" reputation and Joe laughing like he didn't know what he was talking about rather than trying to address him seriously was effective for that reason.
Laughing at Trump will feed his strength.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 01:52 PM (d9v6L)

366 >>>It's not great but not necessarily a smoking gun of abject corruption.


The smoking gun of abject corruption to my mind is the failure by the DOJ to use a grand jury in this case. This is a very serious and complicated case involving the compromise of sensitive national security information and numerous persons and organizations, and having a grand jury investigate and be able to seize evidence like servers at Platte River, Cheryl Mills' laptop, etc. instead of relying on the voluntary cooperation of people involved is incomprehensible absent corruption.

The failure to use a grand jury meant that if the FBI wanted a particular piece of evidence, it allowed the DOJ to hand out immunity to various people the DOJ wished to protect in order to obtain the evidence.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 01:52 PM (fgOnp)

367 What I don't understand, and I have pointed this out to many friends who agree, is why is the media and the clinton acolytes providing covering fire for her still (I get it-they are libs, but why hitch their wagon to her when there are certainly better candidates without the baggage). And who are they? Who are these people connected to the clintons that do their dirty work? And why? For 30 pieces of silver? For a government position? Is it really so base?
And despite all of the baggage, unexplained deaths, corruption and on and on, how is it we still cannot get rid of the cancer that are the clintons? My God she is the nominee and is on the cusp of being President! Bill looks like an Aids patient now and she is a train wreck.

I'm befuddled that we've ended up here and my simple brain can only chalk this one up to Divine Intervention- which means we have a hell of a reckoning coming.

Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 01:52 PM (+NedX)

368 Andrew McCarthy hardest hit

Posted by: Mr Mystery at September 26, 2016 01:52 PM (RtGko)

369 The scam basically works like this, and mainly involves Medicare and Medicaid. The crooks set up a sham health care company - home health, DME, whatever - and get it enrolled with Medicare and/or Medicaid as a provider/supplier of services. They obtain, either through purchase or identity theft, the Medicare and Medicaid enrollee numbers of a large number of people. Then they start filing fabricated electronic claims using these numbers. The claims get paid electronically. They keep this up until the enforcement authorities start to catch on. They take the money and run, then start up another one.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (0mRoj)



I remember back in the day they used to talk about doctors not being allowed to have an interest in things like MRI sites.


I wonder how much of that goes on these days without anyone batting an eye.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:53 PM (TOk1P)

370 I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard.

I have an unpaid debt to my ancestors and others who suffered and labored to establish and maintain a free society.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
________

I'm newfangled when it comes to stuff like this.

I believe in paying it forward. (In theory, that is. I personally never do this.) As far as I'm concerned, I have it good because my ancestors
paid it forward.

I'd thank them but that's really not my style.

Posted by: WaterCow at September 26, 2016 01:53 PM (EJsAU)

371 CNN Headline News 27 September 2016,

Trump badgers poor defenseless female senior citizen and is unfit to be POTUs based on this.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 26, 2016 01:54 PM (NuElX)

372
Heheheheh, just looking over the comments here. It's no use, ace, if there's a 12-point earthquake in Los Angeles precipitated by ISIS dropping a nuclear bomb into the Pacific from a Chinese aircraft built with US technology and the Clintons' signature on the receipt for the design specs, it ain't gonna budge us off the debate.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:54 PM (oGNNA)

373 342 Lol at the blog post about Trump's momentum and then Monmouth drops the Hillary +4 bomb!

So much for momentum.

Amd new CNU poll of Virginia shows Hillary +10!

More momentum!
Posted by: Birther at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (ClPes)

You mean Moar momentum!

Back to your CTR headquarters for your 30 pieces of Silver.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:54 PM (vUuJ6)

374 Snowden did the right thing. He helped expose the extent of the rot. This isn't like other espionage cases of the past.
Posted by: Country Boy
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My problem with Snowden isn't what he did, it was the way that he did it. I find that unforgivable.

There were alternative means that would have provided him with personal safety and legal cover. He now has neither, and deserves neither.

His actions were those of a zealot, rather than a patriot. Just my opinion, of course.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 01:54 PM (9mTYi)

375 HAHA! Some poster on Gateway Pundit said Trump should pull a page from A Few Good Men. Ask Hillary if she ordered the Code Red on Vince Foster.

She might actually want to admit it. She's psycho enough.




Hillary: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Yes. Yes I did order the Code Red!"


"Oops".

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 01:54 PM (Hb9w3)

376 If people don't actively stand up to the ClintonSlime, it eventually corrupts them, too, just like any other Organized Crime family.

Compare Comey to Jerry Zeifman, Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee. Zeifman fired Hillary from the Watergate investigation for lying, stealing documents, breaking promises, manipulating the investigation for Ted Kennedy's presidential ambitions, violating legal and Constitutional norms and breaching confidentiality.

He fired her, refused to write her a letter of recommendation--and wished he'd referred her for prosecution. btw, she was a nobody then. Much later, when she ran for Senate, he called her a liar and warned voters.

Hillary was the only Democrat fired in Watergate, and for the exact same reason as Nixon & Co.--for being a corrupt liar.

Zeifman stood up to the ClintonSlime. Comey caved, and now his reputation is dirt, a shabby little footnote to the Above the Law- annals of Clinton Stench.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 26, 2016 01:55 PM (N6nTE)

377 The local talk radio station is hosting a debate watch party tonight. Free food, free parking, free "I'm Deplorable!" buttons. Any Philly area morons should come check it out - it's being held at the Chickie & Pete's by the sports complex.

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 01:55 PM (7HtZB)

378 "The DOJ makes charging decisions and grants immunity."

I'm pretty sure immunity requires the DOJ to get an order from a court. Was there a court involved? If so, off the usual grid?

Else it was the DOJ just making it up, no?

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My experience is state, not federal, but in my experience the usually the prosecutor himself grants immunity. Occasionally the court becomes involved either interpreting an immunity agreement or ordering immunity for the purpose of requiring testimony over a witness's objection.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Nwg0u)

379 My God she is the nominee and is on the cusp of being President! Bill looks like an Aids patient now and she is a train wreck.

I'm befuddled that we've ended up here and my simple brain can only chalk this one up to Divine Intervention- which means we have a hell of a reckoning coming.


Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 01:52 PM (+NedX)

That too shows you the extent of how far this country has gone.

The only fix is either *mumble mumble mumble mumble* or starting something new somewhere.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Idu2i)

380 The Clinton body count. Many of these seem tenuous, but there they are. At best, it suggests that any association with the Clintons at all may beget cosmic bad karma

Yeah there is a reasonable amount of deaths that a very powerful, rich person is going to collect over the years. Associates, bodyguards, people you work with in sensitive areas. As you age, the number increases rather radically.

But the Clintons... that's way too many for even coincidence. Especially how many deaths are of people who could do them political harm. They were rubbed out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 26, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)

381 Posted by: Birther at September 26, 2016 01:46 PM (ClPes)


You missed that the monmouth polls were fixed frauds and the Va Poll has a +12 D sample?

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 26, 2016 01:56 PM (09Ay7)

382 My God she is the nominee and is on the cusp of being President! Bill looks like an Aids patient now and she is a train wreck.

WHY AM I NOT UP BY 50 POINTS??!?!??!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 26, 2016 01:57 PM (39g3+)

383 Seems appropriate:

I've Got a Little List - The Mikado

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NLV24qTnlg

-they none of them be missed-

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 26, 2016 01:57 PM (MIKMs)

384
369 Andrew McCarthy hardest hit

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Dude had me going for a couple of months there.

I hope he seeks catharsis by writing a highly detailed book in which he interviews all the underlings who know shit.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:57 PM (oGNNA)

385 "My experience is state, not federal, but in my experience the usually the prosecutor himself grants immunity."

I looked it up in the DOJ Attorney's Manual (takes a minute online). Lays out the procedure but says its by order to a court.

May not matter much, but could be another sign that Hillary & Co got special treatment.

The bigger issue is that ordinarily you work to flip minions, not give them a pass up front.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 01:58 PM (r1fLd)

386 My problem with Snowden isn't what he did, it was the way that he did it. I find that unforgivable.

There were alternative means that would have provided him with personal safety and legal cover. He now has neither, and deserves neither.

His actions were those of a zealot, rather than a patriot. Just my opinion, of course.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 01:54 PM (9mTYi)

Understand. Respectfully disagree, but do wish it could have been gone about differently also.

We're in a New America. He exposed how far the police state has risen around us. No current legal entity or organization in this country could have helped him. He would have been thrown in prison and silenced forever. We'd have heard from him whatever the government wanted us to hear.

Just my 2 cents as well, adjusted for inflation.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at September 26, 2016 01:59 PM (Idu2i)

387 Hillary: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Yes. Yes I did order the Code Red!"


At which point Judge Loretta Lynch orders the MPs to arrest Tom Cruise.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 02:00 PM (fgOnp)

388 But the Clintons... that's way too many for even coincidence. Especially how many deaths are of people who could do them political harm. They were rubbed out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Geeze. If I can get up the inspiration, I might check the average age, just for a comparison with the national average. We can guess pretty much how it will look.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 02:00 PM (9mTYi)

389 Yeah well this is the FBI that gave Henry Hill a pass then found out he was more criminal than Hillary Clinton. They worked with Whitey Bulger for like 15 years letting him get away literally with murder as he used them to take out rivals and troublemakers. Let's just say that since Hoover's death at least, the FBI has not exactly covered its self in glory.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 26, 2016 02:01 PM (39g3+)

390 380- Country Boy- like Reagan said, this is the last stand on Earth- there is no where else to go and start over and if they are embedded here, not sure how you get them out and start something new...

There is a great video presentation on government on a website called wimp.com
It talks about the differences between a democracy, republic, oligarchy etc. The takeaway from that video that most people don't know or gloss over is that we are a republic and that left and right are false narratives- there is only total government control (see Soviet Union/China) to total anarchy. A republic on the spectrum is somewhere in the middle. But a republic, or a nation of laws, only works if the laws are enforced and applied equally. So yeah...again I don't know how the clintons are able to willfully break so many laws and skate by. i just don't get it which is why i think, Divine intervention.

Posted by: RUM for President at September 26, 2016 02:02 PM (+NedX)

391 At which point Judge Loretta Lynch orders the MPs to arrest Tom Cruise.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 26, 2016 02:00 PM (fgOnp)

salient.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 02:03 PM (2PHKP)

392 My problem with Snowden isn't what he did, it was the way that he did it. I find that unforgivable.

Yeah he's no hero. He's not some warrior for free information or fighting the man. He's a spy, and he should be pulled in and convicted for his espionage. Just because some of the stuff he's dug up has been valuable and good for us to know doesn't make him a good guy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 26, 2016 02:03 PM (39g3+)

393 389 But the Clintons... that's way too many for even coincidence. Especially how many deaths are of people who could do them political harm. They were rubbed out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Geeze. If I can get up the inspiration, I might check the average age, just for a comparison with the national average. We can guess pretty much how it will look.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 02:00 PM (9mTYi)



Check the average body count for the rich and powerful.
See how many others are in the mid 40's.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 02:03 PM (Hb9w3)

394 Sounds lucrative and right up the mafia's alley.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:51 PM (vUuJ6)

It is VERY lucrative. A lot of drug rings, in South Florida particularly, gave up drugs and switched to Medicare/Medicaid fraud. Cheaper to operate, much lower risk, no turf wars.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 02:05 PM (IK6dA)

395 which point Judge Loretta Lynch orders the MPs to arrest Tom Cruise.

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Didja see that Obozo is meeting with Leonardo DiCaprio. Boy, the IQ points in that room!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 02:05 PM (Nwg0u)

396 395 Sounds lucrative and right up the mafia's alley.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 01:51 PM (vUuJ6)

It is VERY lucrative. A lot of drug rings, in South Florida particularly, gave up drugs and switched to Medicare/Medicaid fraud. Cheaper to operate, much lower risk, no turf wars.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 02:05 PM (IK6dA)

There was an episode of Burn Notice about that IIRC

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 02:07 PM (7HtZB)

397 I do not have cable, but 80% of on-air ads are for some kind of health care. Most of those use what you 'deserve' in there or 'it's free' as a hook. I can't figure out if they are just advertising for the SS#s or for their own Medicare/Medicaid hooks.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 26, 2016 02:09 PM (MIKMs)

398
I remember back in the day they used to talk about doctors not being allowed to have an interest in things like MRI sites.

I wonder how much of that goes on these days without anyone batting an eye.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:53 PM (TOk1P)

It is permitted, but only under certain narrowly-defined rules, typically related to the imagine equipment being used as part of a physician practice for the practice's patients. It's not a big enforcement priority since that's not where the big money is for the Feds.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 02:09 PM (IK6dA)

399 Insurance fraud has always been a big winner for organized crime. They have been doing it with car insurance for decades, home insurance, business insurance (fings burn, don'ay?) and so on. Any time you can get paid for doing nothing yourself, criminals will find a way to tap into it.

My favorite mob crime was the gas tax fraud the mob was doing in the 80s. They would buy a gas station, run it, collect the taxes, not report it, and keep the money. When the feds started snooping, they shut down the gas station. Back then it wasn't all hooked up and computerized, so they were much harder to track down. It made the mob guy who ran it so rich his bosses wanted to whack him because they were worried he was getting too rich and powerful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 26, 2016 02:10 PM (39g3+)

400 There was an episode of Burn Notice about that IIRC
Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 02:07 PM (7HtZB)

Interesting. Art imitating life.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 02:11 PM (IK6dA)

401 Of course the fix was in. They weren't really protecting Clinton. They were protecting Obama. It's completely evident in the way the White House and the media pretend the President never emailed his Secretary of State. The White House knew and did nothing about Hillary or they didn't, and she ran State as a her own fiefdom. Either possibility is damning for Obama.

Posted by: no good deed at September 26, 2016 02:19 PM (/O5Ax)

402 Sure, why not? Wear a Deplorable t-shirt if you have one.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 01:47 PM (oGNNA)

ok I'm going

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 02:22 PM (Om16U)

403 Has anyone delivered the wakizashi and white kimono to Comey yet?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at September 26, 2016 02:28 PM (rznWS)

404 "Instead of prosecuting her, he made the problem go away by fixing her up
with immunity for the very crime she was red-handedly guilty of."

Indict him as an accomplice after the fact.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at September 26, 2016 02:30 PM (rznWS)

405 His actions were those of a zealot, rather than a patriot. Just my opinion, of course.

It's always treason first. Shit only ascends to the higher plane of patriotism of you win.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 26, 2016 02:37 PM (xIBU4)

406 One of the good things about this place is you CAN second guess the boss, even tell him he's dead wrong about something without fear of being silenced.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2016 01:49 PM (TOk1P)


Oh, I agree. But there was that ban-hammer post last week. It's usually not a good idea to go swimming right after the hurricane has passed.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 26, 2016 03:14 PM (o7l6R)

407 What was BHO's pseudonym?

EPA lady was RICHARD WINDSOR
Ugly Chelsea was DIANE REYNOLDS

I see a Royal Family connection. If BHO also had a royal family name, it would suggest they were ALL in on this together as a planned operation

Posted by: Floyd Winston at September 26, 2016 03:52 PM (0CKeS)

408 @407
QUEEN LATIFA?
I denounce myself.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at September 26, 2016 04:08 PM (c0/+W)

409 Lisa Jackson = Richard Windsor
Ugly Chelea = Diane Reynolds
Lois Lerner = Toby Miles
Eric Holder = Lou Alcindor, Kareem Abdul Jabaar

Daily Caller has an article on this

But I do like Queen Latifa

Posted by: Floyd Winston at September 26, 2016 04:26 PM (0CKeS)

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