Neck and Neck: National Polls Put It At A One Point Race, With Trump Ahead in Some; Trump Ahead By One Point in Colorado, Behind By One Point in Pennsylvania

Here are the latest polls from Real Clear Politics.

Quinippiac: Clinton 44, Trump 43.

Blooomberg, 4-way: Trump 43, Clinton 41. In the two way, no third party candidates offered as choices, it's tied at 46 apiece, but it's silly to even mention that, because Binary Thinking is like so 2015.

The Morning Consult poll, which has generally been favorable to Hillary, now has Trump ahead by 1, 39 to 38.

A Washington Post/ABCNews poll has Clinton up by two with likely voters, 46-44, but with registered voters, it's all tied up at 41.

That may suggest that Trump has a greater upside with new/irregular voters... if they turn out. Which they usually don't -- unless it's for a candidate they're enthusiastic about. And many do seem enthusiastic about Trump.

In two blue states -- Colorado and Pennsylvania -- CNN has it a one point race in either. In Colorado, it's 42 Trump 41 Hillary; in Pennsylvania, it's Hillary 45 Trump 44.

In more bad news for Hillary, Trump voters used to say they were backing him just to stop Hillary; now a plurality say they're affirmatively voting for him.

Obviously, the debate tonight is very important. The most important one of all three.

More: Trump absolutely blowing Hillary out of the water with one of the largest cohorts in the voting public, non-college educated white men. He's leading her by 59 points with this group, 76 to 17. Mitt Romney won this group too -- but only by 31 points.

Of course, the reason that Trump isn't destroying her in the overall numbers is that he's lost almost an equal number of college educated voters.

So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately scotched.

This song doesn't have anything to do with the post but I heard it on the radio yesterday. I had stupidly forgotten how awesome it is. Enjoy.

Posted by: Ace at 11:10 AM

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1 11111111111

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at September 26, 2016 11:11 AM (oGNNA)

2
Sorry, no way am I gonna read the content. It's like the debates. I'll just read y'all's commentary and keep my stomach acids at a low-ish boil.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at September 26, 2016 11:12 AM (oGNNA)

3
The numbers are right above me, in my browser. Not gonna scroll up.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at September 26, 2016 11:13 AM (oGNNA)

4 Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?

Posted by: torabora at September 26, 2016 11:13 AM (1iSY8)

5
Please proceed.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (oGNNA)

6 A DNC leak email had dems calling voters in PA and OH "white trash" and just like "the jews" etc.

I hope the word gets out about that. Trump wins those and it is over obviously.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (NAv1Q)

7 The "Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate" stories have already been written.

Posted by: V the K at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (O7MnT)

8 the only pole that counts is in my bedroom

Posted by: Bobama at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (/CIN4)

9 4, because she is hiding something.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (NAv1Q)

10 Wait...there's a debate?

Posted by: LIV's at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (J+eG2)

11 Hillary is the terrorists candidate

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (VFGDF)

12 Hillary is up 10 points with voters who "like a candidate who may die at any second".

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (4e+hS)

13 Has any debate ever been hyped so much as this one? Or labeled as the "make or break" for the election?

Maybe debate 2 last time, after Romney absolutely obliterated Obama the first go around, making the media decide to sacrifice their credibility openly?

Posted by: Vanceone at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (IQzhs)

14 S they're basically saying this debate will be the deciding factor? I seem to remember another debate where a certain Mormon wiped the floor with a certain sitting President.....Thus we have President Romney...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (O2RFr)

15 Anybody got the internal bias on these? I ahve already seen one new National poll today that had Scankles up by 2% but that was with a +10% Dem bias.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (mpXpK)

16 Hey ace, sorry to go OT so early - would you bring up, sometimes soon, the idea of a horde nanowrimo group that came up on the life goals thread last week?

Nanowrimo signups are up, would be nice to have such a group for those interested.

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (Om16U)

17 If you can't trust the polls, who can you trust?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (J+eG2)

18
4 Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?

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It wasn't a winter coat. It was a Kelly green, knee-length, long-sleeved silk-and-wool tunic that set off her black trousers and complemented her layered blonde bob.

Posted by: Anna Wintour at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (oGNNA)

19 Some ppl earlier were saying the polls were sampling Dems by +10 or +12

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (Om16U)

20 Obviously, the debate tonight is very important. The most important one of all three.

Yes. Because if she blows it, there's no coming back. The preference cascade will have broken.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (Hb9w3)

21 I dont think debates win you elections. I think they can lose you an election

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (VFGDF)

22 As The Great White Scotsman mentioned in the last thread:

"The latest CNN Pennsylvania poll that shows hillary up by 1 point has D49 R37 sample. A D+12 sample is insane."

Posted by: Grimaldi at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (FVYNb)

23 The most important one of all three.

Thank you. I've been arguing that point.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 26, 2016 11:17 AM (WlGX+)

24
Or, as Red State would say:

Trump, Clinton in Virtual TIE in Pennsylvania and Colorado
by Joe Cunningham

Trump, God help us, could win tonight.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 11:17 AM (kdS6q)

25 4 Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?

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somewhere there is an ironing board missing its cover

Posted by: Rick in SK at September 26, 2016 11:17 AM (/CIN4)

26 It's a TIE, baby!

Groovy!

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 11:17 AM (jBuUi)

27 (A) Don't get cocky, kids.

(B) I was assured that this couldn't happen, that Hillary! would clean Trump's clock. And yet the lead that she once maintained has evaporated. And she has already been firing everything she has at him, spending money like a drunken Clinton while Trump has yet to really go with his spending.

Tonight will be a wild night, I will be looking forward to The Horde Report.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsors The Hillary Whisperer! at September 26, 2016 11:17 AM (hLRSq)

28 The DNC should dispatch Mark Ruffalo to Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 11:17 AM (hqZPQ)

29 I fully expect Clinton to begin a coughing fit the second she is answered a difficult question.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (gA69l)

30

A) the poles are all pushed for Hitlery, and B) a lot of people would not admit to voting for Trump to some schmuck on the phone, so....

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (nIGPZ)

31 LET'S DO THIS!!!

:::schedules tailgating and face painting for 8 PM:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (DJni3)

32 Reports are that Killery has given up on OH.

Man, if Trump takes PA too...holy shite.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (WlGX+)

33 28 The DNC should dispatch Mark Ruffalo to Pennsylvania.

As well as James Taylor.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (gA69l)

34 NYT endorses Hillary and calls Trump the worst candidate in modern history

Heh

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (tCCQ9)

35 29 I fully expect Clinton to begin a coughing fit the second she is answered a difficult question.

You really think she'll get a "difficult" question?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (O2RFr)

36 I don't think the debate means that much. People have their minds made up more than they would like to admit in most cases I think.

Of course if she does a face plant, then that would matter lol.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (NAv1Q)

37 34 NYT endorses Hillary and calls Trump the worst candidate in modern history

Heh

The Washington Post did the same thing today... Almost word for word...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (O2RFr)

38 And the newsies say Trump is unleashing a torrent of ads after the debate.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (WlGX+)

39

Well

Sounds like they are looking at terrorism

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (VFGDF)

40 I fully expect Trump to challenge Hillary to some sort of physical test, which Hillary would fail.

One scenario would be for Trump to let Hillary ascend to her oversized lectern, then have Trump challenge her.

Posted by: undocumented analysis at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (e8kgV)

41 And those polls all have models based on 2008 and 2012 turnout so bump Trump up 4-5 points in each one.

Hillary has conceeded OH. Trump is ahead by 120,000 votes in early voting in Florida, which is huge since early voting heavily favors Democrats.

It's looking like a landslide of Trump does not commit murder tonight.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (vUuJ6)

42 Ready for Hillary!

Posted by: Funerary Urn at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (27KAF)

43
Maybe debate 2 last time, after Romney absolutely obliterated Obama the first go around, making the media decide to sacrifice their credibility openly?

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Arguably, it WAS a make-or-break debate. Romney seemed to sense this and ... another topic for another day, but I'm sure a few people have theories on whether he actually wanted to win.

Posted by: Anna Wintour at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (oGNNA)

44 You really think she'll get a "difficult" question?

No, not really. I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (gA69l)

45
I'm sure they'll have the Beast drugged to the gills so there won't be a coughing fit or passing out but I'd love to see Trump get under her skin and watch her go all Mommie Dearest. If she gets all shrill like in the union video that should (hopefully) turn people against her. Just let your personality shine Hillary

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (493sH)

46 I will no ways be voting affirmatively for him.

Posted by: George Will at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (hSk36)

47 I loved that montage of previous endorsees the Slimes trotted out. They had to go back to Ike and Abe to find a couple of R's. For balance.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (WlGX+)

48
And over at 538, Nate Silver's precis of the State of the Race:

http://tinyurl.com/zweatnd

Short answer, "yes" with an "if"; long answer, "no," with a "but".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (kdS6q)

49 The "Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate" stories have already been written.
Posted by: V the K at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (O7MnT)

Maybe ace should go ahead and write what the press is going to say tomorrow.

...Hillary was poised and in command of facts and details...

...clueless Trump sputtering lies when challenged

...puts to rest health concerns after 90 grueling minutes...

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 26, 2016 11:21 AM (Ee2nz)

50 So the Newspapers of Record didn't even wait for the debates before they made their endorsements? It's almost like they have a bias.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 26, 2016 11:21 AM (hqZPQ)

51 I fully expect Clinton to begin a coughing fit the second she is answered a difficult question.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:18 AM (gA69l)
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Great formulation. LOL

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 26, 2016 11:21 AM (MIKMs)

52
6 A DNC leak email had dems calling voters in PA and OH "white trash" and just like "the jews" etc.

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Are you kidding. Is that at Breitbart? Where?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:21 AM (oGNNA)

53 Intellicast says that the high in NYC yesterday was 69. Low was 54.

Maybe it was really windy...

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 26, 2016 11:21 AM (gTQoY)

54 INTERVIEWER: So what's your prediction for tonight's debate, Mr. Headweasel?

THE DONALD'S HEAD WEASEL: Pain.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 26, 2016 11:21 AM (RD7QR)

55 Honestly,
We need a 3 way poll. Johnson in on the ballot in all 50 states, Stein is not, and I suspect her supporters won't be bothered to show up and write her in.

Do I think Johnson can win? No
Do I think his presence creates an effect which needs to be accounted for? Yes.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (dzmBR)

56 Does she have to stand the whole time

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (5phSm)

57 Great formulation. LOL

I'm not awake yet.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (kFnmp)

58 I don't see any of this.

Posted by: Hillary's Right Eye at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (l2Jd8)

59 The recent MSM echo chamber suggests Hillary will attack him on lies. Hence the buzz on fact checking. Eg Trump never being for the Iraq invasion

Wait for his comeback: Can you tell the truth about anything

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (80KSI)

60 21 I dont think debates win you elections. I think they can lose you an election
Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (VFGDF)

Yeah, this.

Posted by: rickl at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (zoehZ)

61 Very disturbing:

I awoke this morning with a jolt because I was having a nightmare that that someone told me quite casually, almost smirkingly, that there had been an assassination attempt on Trump -- a leftist tried to stab him in the stomach.

What's weird about this is that I NEVER dream about politics or real-world events. Ever.

I think the nightmare was my fear talking.

If they endlessly compare Trump to Hitler, and now that Trump has a 50-50 chance of winning, then by their own moral rules ("If you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you?" "Of course!") they are compelled to do anything and everything to stop him.

You think it has been ugly up until now? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (jBuUi)

62 It would be hilarious if there was some noise or something from the crowd and she freaked out and froze.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (NAv1Q)

63 I am certain Holt will be keeping it focused on social issues - SSM, trans bathrooms, campus rape, #waronwomen, etc. - in order to benefit Hillary.

If it gets to immigration, guns, crime, Hillary is in trouble. This year the Dem party line is just not selling.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (NOIQH)

64 Hillary has conceeded OH. Trump is ahead by 120,000 votes in early
voting in Florida, which is huge since early voting heavily favors
Democrats.
>>>

This is something I don't understand. Does the state release early voting results? That seems to me to be a bad plan that could influence voting on the 8th.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (wrS2o)

65
38 And the newsies say Trump is unleashing a torrent of ads after the debate.

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Oh fuck me, that's BEAUTIFUL. I was wondering about what he was saving all that dough for.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (oGNNA)

66 Cosmic justice is a fickle thing. It never seems to show up when I want it to.

I fully expect Trump, either by his own actions, or the 'moderator's', to come across as a feckless buffoon. Thus, The Republic will, in 90 minutes time, fall wholly and irrecoverably into the hands of the Left.

I cannot watch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (9mTYi)

67 Would this be a good idea for the debate?

Each candidate enters 20 questions that should be asked that night. And then the moderator picks 10 of each each candidates questions randomly.

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (PNcou)

68 May Hillary! sound like General Grievous tonight.

Working at Wal-Mart, one of the tabloids in the check-out lanes claims Hillary! has lung cancer as a headline.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (fzR64)

69 Debates aren't important...

Romney absolutely raped Obama in the first debate last time and he lost by what the polls looked like before the debate.

Posted by: Rory at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (Lktpy)

70 So where's Warrior90210 to tell us that the latest Barbados A&M College poll has Hilary up by 219%?

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (7HtZB)

71 Polls say it's a jump ball and that means the news cycle will be an important factor. Without citizen journalism the race would be over (just witness the video of Hillary collapsing. Obviously that's happened before, but only a tourist cell phone and twitter meant we got to see it)

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (/m8T6)

72 63 I am certain Holt will be keeping it focused on social issues - SSM, trans bathrooms, campus rape, #waronwomen, etc. - in order to benefit Hillary.

CONTRACEPTION!!!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (kFnmp)

73
Ive asked the question several time before...... with the change of being called a racist aside.....

.... would it be more advantageous to up the "white vote" by 5%, or the black or hispanic vote by 25%.

Seems we're going to found out.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (8XRCm)

74 Trump ... Behind By One Point in Pennsylvania

That's because they didn't poll me. I'm a PA Trump vote and I didn't vote for him in the primary - because I'm not registered GOP anymore.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (zc3Db)

75 Is there any breakdown of the college vote into Bachelors, Masters, PhD?

Posted by: geoffb5 at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (d3wbb)

76 My prayer is that Hillary's keepers have here so loaded with codeine to combat coughing, she just sits there , eyes going two directions, a fine line of spittle running down her chin.
Amen.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (d6TTt)

77 i love that song.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (JY0LF)

78 @ Votermom
Pardon my ignorance but what's a nanowrimo?

Posted by: random lurker at September 26, 2016 11:24 AM (+tRIN)

79 Romney absolutely raped Obama in the first debate last time and he lost by what the polls looked like before the debate.
Posted by: Rory at September 26, 2016 11:23 AM (Lktpy)

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Yeah.... funny how that happened.

Posted by: Candy Crowley at September 26, 2016 11:24 AM (8XRCm)

80 Hillary has conceeded OH. Trump is ahead by 120,000 votes in early voting in Florida, which is huge since early voting heavily favors Democrats.

It's looking like a landslide of Trump does not commit murder tonight.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:19 AM (vUuJ6)

As a Cubs fan I beg people to not count any victories until they are in the books. The Dems will cheat to win till the bitter end.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2016 11:25 AM (493sH)

81
I awoke this morning with a jolt because I was having a nightmare that that someone told me quite casually, almost smirkingly, that there had been an assassination attempt on Trump -- a leftist tried to stab him in the stomach.

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Well, did the leftist succeed? See now?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:25 AM (oGNNA)

82 52, from WikiLeaks but could have been fake I'm sure. Either way, I don't care because I see democrats and liberals talk like that every single day anyway on twitter.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:25 AM (NAv1Q)

83

They are gonna wheel her out with a rigid exoskeleton to keep her upright, depends for her stroke induced incontenance, a pump with adderal to keep her alert, funny glasses for the whirly gig eyes, a ear mic to give her answers

She will be nearly bionic

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:25 AM (VFGDF)

84 >>If they endlessly compare Trump to Hitler, and now that Trump has a
50-50 chance of winning, then by their own moral rules ("If you could go
back in time and kill Hitler, would you?" "Of course!") they are
compelled to do anything and everything to stop him.

Exactly, zombie!
All of the talk about Trump being Hitler and inciting violence is their projection. They are intentionally inflaming the crazy progressives to see Trump and his supporters as unpeople, without humanity, that are A-OK to physically harm --- or worse.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:25 AM (NOIQH)

85 6 A DNC leak email had dems calling voters in PA and OH "white trash" and just like "the jews" etc.
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (NAv1Q)

The sad part is that the GOPe also talks like that behind closed doors.

Posted by: rickl at September 26, 2016 11:25 AM (zoehZ)

86 So where's Warrior90210 to tell us that the latest Barbados A&M College poll has Hilary up by 219%?

Waiting for the final Bermuda Community College poll to come in.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:26 AM (Hb9w3)

87 A difficult question for Hillary would be: "Can you tell us your name?"

Posted by: An Observation at September 26, 2016 11:26 AM (SAMq1)

88 28 The DNC should dispatch Mark Ruffalo to Pennsylvania.

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if she loses, i hope he doesn't get too angry...

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 26, 2016 11:26 AM (PNcou)

89 A DNC leak email had dems calling voters in PA and OH "white trash" and just like "the jews" etc.
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at September 26, 2016 11:14 AM (NAv1Q)

The sad part is that the GOPe also talks like that behind closed doors.

Saddest part is it won't bother joos.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:26 AM (Hb9w3)

90
BTW - in the HotAir piece in the Op, Allahpundit notes that it looks like the Gary Johnson vote-parkers were Rs that are now breaking for Trump.

One of the worriers over the last few months was that they might have been disgruntled Bernie supporters who would swing D towards the end.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 11:26 AM (kdS6q)

91 So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately scotched.
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You were crazy to posit last year that this was largely a class-basd race and that the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at their hegemony.

What? You told me to tell you.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 26, 2016 11:26 AM (KUaJL)

92 I hate to be all Winston Wolf, but Trump's debate performance has not been all that great. Sometimes he's been mediocre, sometimes he's been a lot less than that. I certainly wouldn't put it past him to repeat that streak tonight, or for Hillary to have been shot up with enough stimulants, up to and including an adrenaline injection into the heart Pulp Fiction-style during commercials, to actually do a decent job.

That said, if neither of those things happen, it is going to officially be a five-alarm fire at the DNC come tomorrow.

Posted by: T at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (IKdzI)

93 All of the talk about Trump being Hitler.

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Well..... to be fair.

I bet Trump *can* land an Olympics.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (8XRCm)

94 I wonder if Trump turns to the camera and says "America, do you really want to vote for Uncle Sam's Mother in Law, and then listen to her for the next 4 years?" and walks off....

Think that would work? The spluttering and shrieking from Hillary and the moderators would make his point for him, very eloquently.

Posted by: Vanceone at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (IQzhs)

95 No, not really. I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
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Yup.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (9mTYi)

96 You think it has been ugly up until now? You ain't seen nothing yet.
Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (jBuUi)

Honestly, I can't tell if they believe anything. They thought Romney was hitler too if you trust their rhetoric.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (dzmBR)

97 concrete girl,

it's got a lot of George Martin-style production curlicues and such. A little Beatlish. (But still very Who-ish, obviously.)

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (dciA+)

98 40 I fully expect Trump to challenge Hillary to some sort of physical test, which Hillary would fail.

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The debate will go full Festivus

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 26, 2016 11:27 AM (PNcou)

99
I fully expect Trump, either by his own actions, or the 'moderator's', to come across as a feckless buffoon.
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It's funny, I fully expect Trump to behave so well that the debate is a big bore. No headline events from either one -- no crazy-ass remarks from Trump, no coughing fit from Hillary (although maybe some shouting which Trump lets her get away with), a hearty handshake to end it, and viewership for debate #2 drops by half.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (oGNNA)

100 >>>schedules tailgating...

a tailgate would be fun, even if it's cold.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (JY0LF)

101 Yes. Because if she blows it, there's no coming back. The preference cascade will have broken.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (Hb9w3)

This election is a must-win for Hillaroid. It's the culmination of her greedy, grasping career. If she loses the election, the Clinton foundation will wither away. No access to sell, anymore. She may not go to jail, as she should, but will be thoroughly discredited.

Trump, on the other hand, is personally wealthy, has a nice family, and can personally survive the economic shit-storm that a Hillaroid Presidency will unleash. I am sure he wants to win, but he doesn't need to win. So he can be calculating, and she will be desperate. He can work that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (o9m/V)

102 Well, did the leftist succeed? See now?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky

I don't know. I woke up before I found out.

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (jBuUi)

103 Let's face it Hillary is not likable... Yes, she will probably make Trump look like a blithering idiot, but no one likes Her.... He might get the sympathy vote for having to be in the same room with her cackling for 90 minutes...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (O2RFr)

104 64 Hillary has conceeded OH. Trump is ahead by 120,000 votes in early
voting in Florida, which is huge since early voting heavily favors
Democrats.
>>>

This is something I don't understand. Does the state release early voting results? That seems to me to be a bad plan that could influence voting on the 8th.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 26, 2016 11:22 AM (wrS2o)

Yeah I would not think they would either, but It is BEST way to get out the vote for Hillary.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (vUuJ6)

105 NaNoWriMo is National Novel Writing Month.
https://nanowrimo.org/sign_in

Where the goal is to a whole story out and on paper in a month. Generally the goal is 50,000 words or more.

Voter Mom, NaNoWriMo is broken down into regions and there are usually one or more members who volunteer and are designated as liaisons who try to organize write-ins where the group actually meets in meat-space to write/socialize. Not sure if an AoS group could be created.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (fzR64)

106 4
Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?
---

She's on some sort of hardcore meds that lower her blood pressure. So she's cold all the time. That's why you often see older people wearing long sleeved shirts in 90 degree weather.

Not healthy. Should be home tending to her health and her grandbaby. Shame on Bill and Chelsea for not putting an end to this debacle.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (tvyXw)

107 " an adrenaline injection into the heart Pulp Fiction-style during commercials"

There aren't any commercials. 90 minutes with no breaks.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (UBzPO)

108 They are gonna wheel her out with a rigid exoskeleton to keep her upright, depends for her stroke induced incontenance, a pump with adderal to keep her alert, funny glasses for the whirly gig eyes, a ear mic to give her answers

She will be nearly bionic

Already catatonic.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (Hb9w3)

109 >>The DNC should dispatch Mark Ruffalo to Pennsylvania.

Oh, hell, the cast of "The West Wing" is going on the campaign trail for Hillary --- maybe even in Ohio (I'll have to Bing). Yes, these actors think voters are THAT stupid.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

110 No, not really. I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight.

---

recipe for a hernia there

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (PNcou)

111 So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately scotched.

This is not a class-based race. It's about those who love America versus those who hate the very idea of the nation-state, essentially.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:29 AM (zc3Db)

112 >>>She's on some sort of hardcore meds that lower her blood pressure. So she's cold all the time.

I think it's Coulimbe or something, a medicine used to reduce blod clots. Maybe by thinning the blood.

I really shouldn't have bothered talking if I had no idea what I was talking about, huh?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:29 AM (dciA+)

113 I keep seeing this term "ear mic".

Is that so that the audience can hear what the voices in her head are saying?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 11:29 AM (J+eG2)

114 I'm afraid that we are going to find Trump attempting to rely on his usual technique of personal attack, and will display no real knowledge of the issues.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (9mTYi)

115 So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was
largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was
feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability
to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately
scotched.
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Well, except for those of us college graduates who have been enthusiastically on the Trump train from the start of the primary, anyway.

Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (3Liv/)

116 "Obviously, the debate tonight is very important. The most important one of all three."

Most everyone is actively looking for Hillary to literally spaz out and drop to the floor in a twitching, catatonic seizure.
Oh, come on! We all know it's true. That being the case, ANY sign that she is weak, tired, lethargic, mentally uncertain or off balance will be exaggerated a hundredfold in the minds of most viewers.
And she WILL be all those things. She may even literally collapse.

Posted by: jbspry at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (Tcn31)

117 30

A) the poles are all pushed for Hitlery, and B) a lot of people would not admit to voting for Trump to some schmuck on the phone, so....

As it becomes more apparent Trump is taking the lead and is actually popular (It's OK to actually support trump you deplorable you) I would expect more people will come out from the shadows to the pollsters.

Posted by: Keith at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (USf3s)

118 but when it comes to the get out the vote effort don't the dems have the advantage? i don't mean the dead,
i mean the marginal legal voters who don't show up in polls but can be rounded up & taken to the polls (i.e. the poor and minorities)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (WTSFk)

119 My roots are blue collar to the core. I vote that way, even though I don't really live blue collar anymore.
There are lots of Trump voters out there that aren't being counted, and I maintain the Hillary voters are being over counted.
Who knows if it's enough?
But I'm cautiously optimistic, trolls and Debbie Downers notwithstanding.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (d6TTt)

120
Does the state release early voting results? That seems to me to be a bad plan that could influence voting on the 8th.
Posted by: Buzzsaw

Not results. States sometimes release the partisan breakdown of early voting or returned absentee ballots.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (kdS6q)

121 ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS!!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For You at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (4HySM)

122 >>>This is not a class-based race. It's about those who love America versus those who hate the very idea of the nation-state, essentially.

yes but the globalists are over-heavy with college-educated types -- the Davoisie, some wag called them, maybe that Journal of American Greatness Guy -- and the nationalists, the crude deplorables, are largely non-college educated.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (dciA+)

123 I'm with her!

Posted by: Satan at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (UezpB)

124 The media is going on and on about fact-checking. Like most people give a crap...

Hillary has been allowed to lie and evade any questions about anything, only facing the press after WikiLeaks publishes something the press can't ignore anymore...

...and people are supposed to get upset if Trump mistakes something or even outright lies. Couldn't care less. Trump could walk out of a building, all bloodied, chainsaw in one hand and a string of reporter head sans torso hooked on a chain in the other hand and if he said he didn't do it, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (/NlFx)

125 They dont release the actual votes, but who voted, and since they are registered as D, R, I you can make some assumptions.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (OwVQz)

126 ...Hillary collapses on stage trying to power through...

...SS had to restrain an aggressive Trump who "claimed" he was just going to her aid...

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (Ee2nz)

127 Not healthy. Should be home tending to her health and her grandbaby. Shame on Bill and Chelsea for not putting an end to this debacle.

Bill doesn't give a shit. Chelsea knows the money stops when Hill does.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (Hb9w3)

128 No, not really. I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp

Mr. Trump, why are such a racist, sexist, homophobe, Islamaphobe bigot?

Mrs. Clinton, next question for you. Why is Donald Trump such a racist, sexist, homophobe, Islamaphobe bigot?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (493sH)

129 Do any of the latest polls show any gains for Trump with minority voters?

My gut says uneducated black and Hispanic men should be following their white counterparts, albeit in smaller numbers..

"What have you got to lose??"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (UpGcq)

130
~cough-cough-cough-COUGH-COUGH-COUGH- fart/squirt,, cough-cough~ -shoe flies off/faints-,,

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (HSmrB)

131 " I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight. "

He's going to eat an entire cow before the broadcast?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (l2Jd8)

132 FiveThirtyEight: Trump would win if elections were held today
http://tinyurl.com/je4dbfv

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (4e+hS)

133 "There aren't any commercials. 90 minutes with no breaks."

Jack the heat to 80.
Raise the humidity to 80%.
Put a large glass of unthickened water on the podium.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (J+eG2)

134 No, not really. I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight.

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Three pizza and gallon of ice cream lunch?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (Nwg0u)

135 Ace, aren't white non college women also going for Trump?

It's why Hillary's Man Gap dwarfs Trumps Woman Gap

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (tCCQ9)

136 No, not really. I suspect Holt will pull a Candy Crowley tonight.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 26, 2016 11:20 AM (gA69l)

He's gonna have to bulk up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (o9m/V)

137 >>>Well, except for those of us college graduates who have been enthusiastically on the Trump train from the start of the primary, anyway.

do you understand the difference between an individual and a large group?

If I say "blacks are largely suspicious of police," do you take that to mean EVERY black is?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (dciA+)

138 A) the poles are all pushed for Hitlery,

You would think that after '39, the poles would have learned their lesson.

Posted by: Cicero, Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 26, 2016 11:32 AM (4HySM)

139
Everybody is saying that Hillary is gonna kill Trump with her "experience" and "policy chops".

I dont think it would be too hard for just about anybody to bat that away by focusing on the RESULTS of her experience.

Hillary Care, The Russian Reset, Syria, Benghazi. What the hell did she accomplish when she was Senator??

Hilay's "experience" is an abstract without any substance.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:32 AM (8XRCm)

140 Yup, the actors went to Ohio this past weekend:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/west-wing-josh-malina-cast-931864

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:32 AM (NOIQH)

141 yes but the globalists are over-heavy with college-educated types -- the Davoisie, some wag called them, maybe that Journal of American Greatness Guy --

and the nationalists, the crude deplorables, are largely non-college educated.

They may want to check their college education a little bit.
Not impressed with what I'm seeing.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (Hb9w3)

142 It's why Hillary's Man Gap .

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Dude.

Phrasing.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (8XRCm)

143 >> All of the talk about Trump being Hitler.

Trump would never grow a sad, low energy mustache like Hitler. He'd have a bigly, classy mustache like Tom Selleck or a 70s porn actor.

Posted by: josephistan at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (7HtZB)

144 I am so nervous about tonight. I sure hope the stupid doesn't come out.

Posted by: ALH at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (uLuPn)

145 I keep seeing this term "ear mic".

Is that so that the audience can hear what the voices in her head are saying?
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That would be awesome.

Here's the official "wikipedia" explanation:

Interruptible foldback (IFB), also known as interrupted foldback or interruptible feedback, is a monitoring and cueing system used in television, filmmaking, video production, and radio broadcast for one-way communication from the director or assistant director to on-air talent or a remote location.

In other words... someone is talking directly into her ear, giving her answers. Or telling her what to do. ALL tv anchors use them.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (tvyXw)

146 To put that PA pol in another perspective, Trump is behind by 1% in a poll where half the respondants are registered Dem.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (OwVQz)

147 Speaking of Hillary....

I wonder if she's awake yet or are they letting her sleep in until 3 or 4 PM.

And more importantly, are the drugs ready? And what is in the witches brew?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (/NlFx)

148 This makes no sense to me. I understand that college educated people or really those that move in a more upper middle, upper class milieu didn't want Trump in the primaries, but I don't think that there is a big division between college and voting Trump in the general against Hillary. Hillary is a horrible candidate. I've yet to meet a person in the flesh who likes or will vote FOR Hillary and I don't know anyone who isn't college educated.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (09Ay7)

149 I'm feeling a BLOW-OUT.....must be the lousy Chappa qua qui dick oysters........I did NOT SHUCK that OYSTER...but I had my way with the Dep U Tay......

Posted by: saf at September 26, 2016 11:34 AM (+zN6H)

150 ace, Hillarity! is on Coumadin, a blood thinner, for the rest of her life (or so I've read). Coumadin does not bust blood clots, but is a prophylactic to prevent future clots.

So Hillarity! is clotted cheese.

Posted by: RickZ at September 26, 2016 11:34 AM (jrQYc)

151 Also, Julian Assange said he'd release something that would end Hillary's campaign before the debate.

Julian? Julian?

Bueller?

Bueller?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:34 AM (tvyXw)

152 you were not crazy at all Ace, this is largely a battle between the "beautiful" GOP and the "dutiful" GOP.....

thus sadly showing that to fix America the GOP must first fix its own coalition.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:34 AM (SzZnW)

153

Welp

May be a body in the black porsche boxter belonging to Nathan DeSai, the Houston shooter

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:34 AM (VFGDF)

154 >>>They may want to check their college education a little bit.
Not impressed with what I'm seeing.

oh i agree. The college crowd would have a stronger case for continuing their hegemony if they had not failed constantly.

But they seem to think they fail with great style and panache so whatever.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

155 yes but the globalists are over-heavy with college-educated types -- the Davoisie, some wag called them, maybe that Journal of American Greatness Guy -- and the nationalists, the crude deplorables, are largely non-college educated.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (dciA+)

But the point is that the main contention is between the nation-state supporters and the globalists. That is the essence of this fight. How that splits up in socio-economic terms is just coincidental.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (zc3Db)

156 11:10 AM

You ok, Ace?

Is it a full moon?

Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (5GQXr)

157 >>>you were not crazy at all Ace, this is largely a battle between the "beautiful" GOP and the "dutiful" GOP.....

hah, interesting wordplay.

Not sure they're all that beautiful though!

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (dciA+)

158 151 Also, Julian Assange said he'd release something that would end Hillary's campaign before the debate.

Julian? Julian?

Been kind of quiet....I wonder if He's still "with" Us?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)

159 "...the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately scotched."

My Ph.D brother keeps sending these e-mails to me that are designed to scare us away from the racist xenophobic Trumpster who arouses the primitive base emotions of the hoi polloi. The funny thing is, I know how bro started out in life and it most certainly was NOT as one of the "swells". In fact, he started out as one of the chumps that the elites enthusiastically disdain.

He's definitely suffering from TDS. The best part is we're in PA. that will most likely FINALLY end up in the "R" stack. Glad I live far enough away from him that I won't catch any of the brain shrapnel when he head asplode.

Posted by: kallisto at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (nNdYv)

160 How would the MSM report it if Hillary! suddenly grew a Stalin 'stache?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (fzR64)

161 22 As The Great White Scotsman mentioned in the last thread:

"The latest CNN Pennsylvania poll that shows hillary up by 1 point has D49 R37 sample. A D+12 sample is insane."
Posted by: Grimaldi at September 26, 2016 11:16 AM (FVYNb)

Eh, not that insane. Current PA voter registrations have D 49% R 38%. Amazing that half the voters registered in the state are democrat.

Posted by: Lymond at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (wH6vD)

162 Or might be shooters body

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (VFGDF)

163 So maybe off topic, but I was watching a BYU devotional address, and they had one of the top leaders of the LDS church speak. This from September 13.

The LDS church is usually politically neutral. Their official stance is that all parties have some positions that are compatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ (though I suspect the Democrat party of today would have to look pretty hard).

In any event, the speaker absolutely lit into the left's assault on freedom of speech, religion, and assembly. It was a wonderful thing to see a robust defense of freedom of speech in a university setting, and he flat out called the left bigots. Rather, he called those who shut down debate by using the term bigots -- he clearly called them bigoted by definition. A beautiful thing, it really was.

Posted by: Vanceone at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (IQzhs)

164 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (fzR64)
Thank you Anna.

Posted by: random lurker at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (+tRIN)

165 When Candy sat around the house, I mean she ate it.

Posted by: Aleister Crowley at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (UezpB)

166 Coumadin?

Posted by: Chris M at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (k3w9p)

167 Unless Hillary wants to trash Obama's legacy, she really has nothing.

Trump is a big, fat, meanie dope!

Posted by: Fritz at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (2Mnv1)

168 4 Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?

We're working on streamlining the exo-support system, and right sizing the sanitary retaining unit. Should be in summer clothes by...October.

Posted by: Gam-Gam ISS 2.0 Engineering Team, a division of the Clinton Global Health Initiative at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (SeD0w)

169 >>>ace

got 'the nice guys' and have been watching all weekend.
is that a three stooges impression when march comes across the rotting corpse?!?!!

Posted by: concrete girl at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (JY0LF)

170 Been kind of quiet....I wonder if He's still "with" Us?
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)

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No.... he's not, and has never been, "with us".

He's the rare bird that just happens to hate Hillary more than he loathes the rest of us.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (8XRCm)

171 148 Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 26, 2016 11:33 AM (09Ay7)

You see the dynamic in play on social media.

There are "beautiful" GOP types who cannot stand the fury of a weaponized center-left social media machine. The sites themselves are biased in the whole for Grammy H, and swimming against the institutional wisdom of the mass when coupled with the artificial magnification of elitism that is largely unearned is a force too many cannot be bothered to overcome. They ARE with her, because going against her requires too much baggage in the professional realm.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:37 AM (SzZnW)

172 132 FiveThirtyEight: Trump would win if elections were held today
http://tinyurl.com/je4dbfv
Posted by: Dr Spank

The entire Left just sharted itself itself.

Posted by: zombie at September 26, 2016 11:37 AM (jBuUi)

173 Coumadin?

Posted by: Chris M

Warfarin- rat poison.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:37 AM (Hb9w3)

174 >>is that a three stooges impression when march comes across the rotting corpse?!?!!

no it's an Abbot and Costello gag they did a bunch of times.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:37 AM (dciA+)

175
No.... he's not, and has never been, "with us".

I meant alive...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:37 AM (O2RFr)

176 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (dciA+)

True, but look at other indicators. St. Charles MO is heavily trump and has been since the primaries. It's a mix of uppermiddle class people and poor as shit people with very little in between. And yet it reliably supports Trump.

The big unifier among both groups is that they tend to be at least connected to Blue Collar working. That is to say they either are straight up blue collar or they own a company (like construction) they built themselves starting as a blue collar worker.

Yet they exist in entirely different classes.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (dzmBR)

177 If she doesnt have a seizure, pass out, and crap her pants

The media will give her a tongue bath on her vitality

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (VFGDF)

178 "How would the MSM report it if Hillary! suddenly grew a Stalin 'stache?"

Uncle Hillary.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (l2Jd8)

179 I mean, it's an EXACT replay of the Abbot and Costello routine.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (dciA+)

180 No.... he's not, and has never been, "with us".

He's the rare bird that just happens to hate Hillary more than he loathes the rest of us.
--

When I read "with us," I assumed we were wondering if he was dead.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (tvyXw)

181 But they seem to think they fail with great style and panache so whatever.

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At least with crisp pants.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (gmeXX)

182 123 I'm with her!
Posted by: Satan at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (UezpB)

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not sure he wants the competition

Posted by: Rick in SK at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (/CIN4)

183 non-college educated white men

Those are democrats, right?

(Trump)lost almost an equal number of college educated voters.

Those are liberal democrats, right?

Who are the republicans voting for? Are there any republicans left?

Posted by: Worried in Wausau at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (H/Q+p)

184 Heavy dot com has a pic of Nathan Desai.

Could be part Hispanic from his looks. Maybe.

But neither "Nathan" or "Desai" sound very Hispanic. And google says Desai is Indian.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (gTQoY)

185 157 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (dciA+)

They think they are beautiful, just like the Donkey fail boat thinks they are "elites."

Proof is in the pudding as they say, and the pudding is not fudge in either case in my opinion.

I finally took the plunge and published a set of youtube vids, you should consider it Ace or at least having the podcasts put there.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (SzZnW)

186
Coumadin?

-----

Couma Couma Couma Couma Couma Coumadin.

It comes and goes.

It comes and go-o-o-o-o-o-o-oes.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (8XRCm)

187 The DC GOPe has too much skin in the game as currently played to ever rebel. They are lap-dogs and hence have become out of touch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (fzR64)

188 This song doesn't have anything to do with the post but I heard it on the radio yesterday. I had stupidly forgotten how awesome it is. Enjoy.

I had sort of discounted this song because it came after the Classic Who Era when they did a lot of frivolous stuff.

Gah! That's an actual Who song. Thanks for the reminder.

One of my favorite things in life is that Daltrey and Townsend are stuck with each other. Townsend writes muscular songs but has a wimpy voice that can't deliver them. Daltry has no idea how to pick songs or what they even mean, but can belt out Townsend's lyrics like a bulldozer on meth.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (mgbwf)

189 11:10 AM

You ok, Ace?

Is it a full moon?
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2016 11:35 AM (5GQXr)
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I'm thinking maybe he's in Europe or something.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:39 AM (xpSCc)

190

He isnt hispanic. Hes indiam. Dot not feathet. And DeSai can be an indian muslim name

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:40 AM (VFGDF)

191 Heavy dot com has a pic of Nathan Desai.

Could be part Hispanic from his looks. Maybe.

But neither "Nathan" or "Desai" sound very Hispanic. And google says Desai is Indian.

Bing Nathan DeSai. Ton of websites say he's a layer. ZERO background or pictures.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:40 AM (Hb9w3)

192
He isnt hispanic. Hes indiam. Dot not feathet. And DeSai can be an indian muslim name

Probably not Amish then...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:40 AM (O2RFr)

193 Uncle Hillary.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 11:38 AM (l2Jd

The whole "Abuela" thing that they tried to push was always that kind of creepy. It sounds like the kind of nickname given to a Latin American Dictatress who has her opponents and their families tortured and killed. "Don't piss Abuela off. You won't like what happens."

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 26, 2016 11:40 AM (FYrz1)

194 A beautiful thing, it really was.

Yeah, but: isn't the McMullin (or whatever) douche, a Utah stalking horse, supported by LDS/Romneyites?

Posted by: Gam-Gam ISS 2.0 Engineering Team, a division of the Clinton Global Health Initiative at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (SeD0w)

195 I meant alive...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:37 AM (O2RFr)

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gotcha....

legitimate question to ask after shitting on the Clintons.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (8XRCm)

196 139 Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:32 AM (8XRCm)

Democrats conflate frequent flyer miles with an actual functioning grand strategy vision.

Ace was spot on last week with his piece on "Elites" that are not in fact "elite."

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (SzZnW)

197
a big division between college and voting Trump in the general against Hillary
Posted by: deplorable dagny

There's a lot of government workers and people who rely directly or indirectly on money from Uncle Sugar in that college educated clade.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (kdS6q)

198 Body sock off.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (SeD0w)

199

In my mind, Ace has a french girlfriend and they shuttle between NYC and Paris

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (VFGDF)

200 gotcha....

legitimate question to ask after shitting on the Clintons.

------------

Who are you talking about?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (gmeXX)

201 If blue collar men turn out big this election, I really do believe Trump will win rather handily.
It has happened before, their votes being decisive.
Now I will sit back and wait to be told all the "yes, but" reasons why this can't be the case this election.
Please, proceed.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (d6TTt)

202 Yeah, but: isn't the McMullin (or whatever) douche, a Utah stalking horse, supported by LDS/Romneyites?
Posted by: Gam-Gam ISS 2.0 Engineering Team, a division of the Clinton Global Health Initiative at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (SeD0w)

Maybe? But he doesn't even seem to be registering in any polls anyway. If anything I think all he's doing is stealing the Johnson protest vote.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (dzmBR)

203 >>My Ph.D brother keeps sending these e-mails to me that are designed to scare us away from the racist xenophobic Trumpster...

All of my cousins except one are college-educated looney progressives. Several doctors, an OR nurse; otherwise decent, hard-working people who drank the kool-aid. The most progressive of the bunch, the one who fires off missives via email or on facebook, has JD, MD and a yuuuuge inheritance. Such a fool and genuinely unhappy person,

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

204 Random Lurker, you are welcome. Perhaps you will pick up pen or keyboard and join the writing madly crew?

Last night managed to write about 1,200 words in story. And then after shut laptop town other pieces fell into place as it were and had to scribble notes on my old iPhone before I forgot them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (fzR64)

205 Who are you talking about?
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (gmeXX)

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Assange.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (8XRCm)

206 I have a theory. It's based on my playing around with that tool at fivethirtyeight that tells me pretty much what this post did.

If Trump were to say that there had been widespread fraud in higher education, beyond even private institutions, and all those young adults with bollocks degrees should be let out of their debt slavery and the schools on the hook for the remainder?

Game. Freaking. Over.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (9krrF)

207 CBC Newsworld is carrying tonight's debate up here in Canada.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (/NlFx)

208 Lizzy, it sounds like you are the white sheep of the family there.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (xpSCc)

209 good.

let the "college educated" crowd get on board with American ideals

or let them get steamrolled.

they were going to lose by sticking with the gope and the democong anyway; they are just too willfully ignorant and pompous to register that anyway

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (swEzU)

210 If Trump does really well tonight and gets something of a "bounce" in the polls, expect the #NeverTrump movement to collapse overnight.
I've always believed that it was easy to be a #NeverTrumper because there was a real expectation among them that Trump "couldn't" win anyway. If he looks he could, and in fact might actually win this thing, expect some of them to cozy up to him.
I don't expect the Bush's will, and certain pundits like George Will will come around, but many players behind the scenes will.

I also think that Trump will give out a friendly shout-out to his "good friend" Mark Cuban tonight. Bank on that.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (vrijl)

211 "In my mind, Ace has a french girlfriend and they shuttle between NYC and Paris"

One of my better fantasies.

Posted by: Ace's Mind at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (J+eG2)

212 non-college educated white men

aka

"Deplorable"

aka

"The National Alliance of the Fed the Fcuk Up"

Posted by: Gary Johnson, dude at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (zu88C)

213 Please, someone in the debate audience bring a strobe light.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (xfb67)

214 205 Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (8XRCm)

Julian Assmunch is angry as hell because he was genuine in his belief Mocha Jesus would make the US "a moral player."

The enemy of my enemy is still a rapist.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (SzZnW)

215 The Enthusiasm Factor is going to matter, I think. And that's all on Trump's side.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (WlGX+)

216 Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (d6TTt

IMHO it depends on how well unions lock down their members.
Trump is pushing some policies that really benefit the unions (like tariffs). The same policies that got Sanders the union support.

But the unions themselves are just a part of the democrat machine. Which leaves the members in a bit of a contradiction. Do they vote for the candidate pushing policies the union ostensibly wants, or the candidate their boss is threatening them to vote for.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (dzmBR)

217 >>>no it's an Abbot and Costello gag they did a bunch of times

maybe...but i know i've seen curly and moe do it too.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (JY0LF)

218 What I keep waiting for Trump to do in one of these things, which would shore up alot of his problems with college-educated voters, is to just sound like he knows something about a topic. Any topic he knows, however he has to get there. Spend 30 seconds talking about construction and real estate in a way that people recognize as the "this man knows what he's talking about" tone. This would do so much to clear his "competency bar" with that demographic, but he just keeps rambling across every topic imaginable like a guy who's full of it. He talks like I would when I am faking competence at something before I find the answer.

I get that most people with multi-faceted jobs are faking their way through 90% of the crap they're tasked with, delegating or researching or whatever to get there later, but there has to be something Trump actually knows really really well and could talk about in the way white-collar voters would recognize as competence.

Posted by: cjw at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (onydf)

219 14 S they're basically saying this debate will be the deciding factor? I seem to remember another debate where a certain Mormon wiped the floor with a certain sitting President.....Thus we have President Romney...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (O2RFr)

It's a make or break for Trump, not for Hillary. As the 2012 election showed, the Dem candidate can screw up badly in the first one and recover because the media will cover his butt. The GOP candidate has no such luxury.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (u0lmX)

220 NaNoWriMo is National Novel Writing Month.
https://nanowrimo.org/sign_in

I'll be doing that this year. Skipped last year.

Posted by: V the K at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (O7MnT)

221 "Don't piss Abuela off. You won't like what happens."

Actual Air-Claire McKaskill quote, during Ocare town hall: (while being jeered) "Don't make me use my mommy voice!"
I hate that woman.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (SeD0w)

222 If I say "blacks are largely suspicious of police," do you take that to mean EVERY black is?

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:31 AM (dciA+)
So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was
largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was
feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability
to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately
scotched.
Note that the word "largely" describes different things in those two statements. It's placement in your example correctly denotes you don't mean all blacks. However, in the post, it describes the race, not the assertions regarding the college-educated crowd.
I just think it's important to note that some of us with college educations are capable of thinking for ourselves in spite of it.

Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (3Liv/)

223 In my mind, Ace has 2 "girlfriends", both locked in his basement.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (4e+hS)

224
CBC Newsworld is carrying tonight's debate up here in Canada.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel

With a simultaneous translation from English to Canadian....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (kdS6q)

225
158 151 Also, Julian Assange said he'd release something that would end Hillary's campaign before the debate.

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Bleah, I lost faith in the hackers loooong since. I've noticed a few things about their behavior, and I now ignore everything they say. The ONLY thing that counts is what they leak.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (oGNNA)

226 >>Lizzy, it sounds like you are the white sheep of the family there.

I am very fortunate that ALL of my siblings and both parents went from liberal ---> conservative in the 90's

Thanksgiving is not a hardship!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (NOIQH)

227 In my mind, Ace has a french girlfriend and they shuttle between NYC and Paris

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (VFGDF)

If by "french girlfriend" you mean a $5 blowjob hooker, and by "Paris and New York" you mean Harlem and Chinatown, that's exactly how I picture him too.

Posted by: Cicero, Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (4HySM)

228 I don't expect the Bush's will, and certain pundits like George Will will come around, but many players behind the scenes will.

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Good question on Will. I wonder if he will come around. I suspect he will not simply because he doesn't have to.

You may be right about the Bush's - they don't have to either. But one wonders about George P.? He does have a future to worry about.

Has he endorsed or said something positive? Not a big national player, but may have a bright future.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (gmeXX)

229 Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (vrijl)

And then what? For many of us who still aren't on Trump's train it's because he's pushing almost 0 policies that I actually want. I can't pin his immigration policy which might be the only place I have any overlap with him. But I find tariffs to be counterproductive at best and a ton of other stuff he's pushing is just bread and circuses.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (dzmBR)

230 Scott Adam's has an interesting blog post out, explaining why he's now supporting Trump and discussing Trump's mastery of persuasion. It's a worthwhile read. I'd link it, but I don't know how to make tiny url's.

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 11:46 AM (ukad2)

231 Was in Pittsburgh over the weekend.

Trump Trump Trump everywhere.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 26, 2016 11:46 AM (/D5Lf)

232

Aces Parisienne girlfriend writes and drinks coffee. In the summer, she shaves his back for him. They spend their time driving around the Loire Valley drinking wine and eating cheese.

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:46 AM (VFGDF)

233 26
It's a TIE, baby!

Groovy!

Posted by: zombie

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>

Which of course put's zombie's "New York Hypothesis" into play!

What?

In THIS election? ANYTHING is possible.

Posted by: Mortimer : deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:46 AM (zu88C)

234 Their official stance is that all parties have some positions that are compatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ (though I suspect the Democrat party of today would have to look pretty hard).

-
The Ten Commandments followed by the Donks

I am the Lord, your God.

No. They tell God what to do.

Thou shall bring no false idols before me.

You mean like Obozo? No.

Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.

We all know they don't follow this.

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

No.

Honor thy father and thy mother.

No.

Thou shall not kill/murder.

Planned Parenthood.

Thou shall not commit adultery.

Get serious.

Thou shall not steal.

Their entire platform is theft.

Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Where to begin?

Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).

This is their tactic to gain support.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (Nwg0u)

235 230 Scott Adam's has an interesting blog post out, explaining why he's now supporting Trump and discussing Trump's mastery of persuasion. It's a worthwhile read. I'd link it, but I don't know how to make tiny url's.

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 11:46 AM (ukad2)

Here you go

http://tinyurl.com/hrfweek

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (/D5Lf)

236 The enemy of my enemy is still a rapist.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (SzZnW)

Assange is an enemy douchebag who should be taken out by the CIA ... but that rape charge against him is a laughable crock of shit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (zc3Db)

237 If he turns out to be Muslim after being identified as Hispanic, I'm going to have a cow.

Just like the guy in Washington.

After the Chelsea bombing that totes wasn't terrorism and happened in a totes random spot...which just happened to be the "King David Gallery" right next to a church.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (gTQoY)

238 It's awesome that hardly anybody trusts the MSM.

In fact most hate them.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (vUuJ6)

239 206 I have a theory. It's based on my playing around with that tool at fivethirtyeight that tells me pretty much what this post did.

If Trump were to say that there had been widespread fraud in higher education, beyond even private institutions, and all those young adults with bollocks degrees should be let out of their debt slavery and the schools on the hook for the remainder?

Game. Freaking. Over.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (9krrF)

Except Obama nationalized most of the student loans so outright forgiveness would put you and me on the hook, not the schools.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (RD7QR)

240 Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:30 AM (dciA+)

I have two good friends who are ardent supporters of Trump, and they couldn't be more different.

One is an over-educated gay lawyer from California, and the other is hard-core blue-collar from Chicago who happens to be unbelievably good at his job, so he has to wear a suit.

Radically different backgrounds, but they both see Trump as the only possible choice.

The only similarity is that they are both well aware of the real world and its unrelenting push toward evil.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (Zu3d9)

241 CBC Newsworld is carrying tonight's debate up here in Canada.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:42 AM (/NlFx)
----------------

I'm amazed by all the Canadians who post here - you (I presume), AOP, andycanuck, Dirks Strewn, etc. etc. It's a compliment to us that you are that interested in our politics, is the way I look at it. So thank you.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (xpSCc)

242 Do they vote for the candidate pushing policies the union ostensibly wants, or the candidate their boss is threatening them to vote for.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:44 AM (dzmBR)

The only Trump signs I have seen are in heavily unionized blue collar neighborhoods which were solidly Dem 40 years ago. They can say whatever they want to their bosses - he's not going to follow them into the voting booth.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (u0lmX)

243 V the K good luck with the writing. My joining NaNoWriMo this year all depends if I manage to reach an end to this story before November. Do not feel like quitting a story that is now over 67,000 words just to start another.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (fzR64)

244 non-college educated white men

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Posted by: Joe the Plumber at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (zu88C)

245 Has he endorsed or said something positive? Not a big national player, but may have a bright future.

Yes, early on He said we should back the nominee no matter who it is...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (O2RFr)

246 The ONLY thing that counts is what they leak.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (oGNNA)

You can count on me.

Posted by: Al Roker at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (7HtZB)

247
IMHO it depends on how well unions lock down their members.

Trump is pushing some policies that really benefit the unions (like
tariffs). The same policies that got Sanders the union support.

But the unions themselves are just a part of the democrat machine.
Which leaves the members in a bit of a contradiction. Do they vote for
the candidate pushing policies the union ostensibly wants, or the
candidate their boss is threatening them to vote for.
---

So, I'm in SE Michigan. UAW territory. There are union halls everywhere here, and everyone knows someone who works directly for an auto company or at a job shop.

I have seen NO Hillary signs. No Hillary bumper stickers. NOTHING.

I've seen four Trump signs in various, widespread locations.

Last time, this was Obama Country. Every car had an Obama stickers. Lots of union people and Democrats wanted to feel good about themselves, so they went all in for chocolate Jesus.

Now? Nothing.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (tvyXw)

248 For many of us who still aren't on Trump's train
it's because he's pushing almost 0 policies that I actually want. I
can't pin his immigration policy which might be the only place I have
any overlap with him. But I find tariffs to be counterproductive at best
and a ton of other stuff he's pushing is just bread and circuses.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (dzmBR)
The next president will pick 1-3 Supreme Court Justices. If that's not enough to get you to hold your nose and vote for Trump, then I don't know what would persuade you. A vote for a third party candidate or staying home is a vote for a Hillary presidency.

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (ukad2)

249 Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 11:43 AM (vrijl)

And then what? For many of us who still aren't on Trump's train it's because he's pushing almost 0 policies that I actually want. I can't pin his immigration policy which might be the only place I have any overlap with him. But I find tariffs to be counterproductive at best and a ton of other stuff he's pushing is just bread and circuses.

-----------

I've always suspected the NeverTrump crowd will be fairly small. That many will come home. Of course, I also always thought he'd win - that was never my reason for being neverTrump. And I don't really like the name because if Trump is as good as people hope, then I could easily vote for him in 2020. But I think there are probably going to be many who vote 3rd party or stay home - but not that many. Maybe not enough to sway the election. If you are in a swing state the pull to vote Trump to see Hillary not win may be too strong.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

250 Aces Parisienne girlfriend writes and drinks coffee. In the summer, she shaves his back for him. They spend their time driving around the Loire Valley drinking wine and eating cheese.
Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:46 AM (VFGDF)
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Throw in some pancakes and this sounds exactly like one of Banana Splits Guy's Winona fantasies.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (xpSCc)

251 4 Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?

To cover the iron lung?

Posted by: Fred Rogers II at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (AkTSb)

252 They can say whatever they want to their bosses - he's not going to follow them into the voting booth.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (u0lmX)

I suppose that depends on what state you live in

.

Seriously though, some people drink the union koolaid like it's got crack in it. The question is can the union hold that through this election.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (dzmBR)

253 McMullin as a stalking horse? Perhaps. The LDS population is not, generally speaking, exactly excited over Trump. And why would they be? Trump as a person is despicable, really: an adulterer, prideful, made much of his fortune by robbing poor addicted people at the gambling tables. I spent several months in Atlantic City, and I saw first hand the poverty and despair gambling brings. No, Trump is an awful person, and if you come from the idea that you should vote for a good person, Trump isn't it.

That said, it's not like Hillary is any better. She repulses the LDS population even more that Trump, I think. From a "who is a greater sinner" point of view, Trump probably is. From the "Who will literally destroy you" point of view, Hillary wins hands down.

So McMillian, I think, really was a last ditch attempt to have someone who wasn't the "lesser of two evils" to vote for. I don't think Romney put him out there to try to swing Utah to Hillary or anything; like most third party candidates. Trump was and is repulsive on many levels, and many people were looking for the "I can vote for him without compromising my standards" candidate.

But Trump's settled down, stopped sticking his foot in his mouth, and the natural American "I want to support the guy under attack" thing I think is helping Trump out. Any fool can see that the media is all in on Hillary, along with the government, so the whole "stick the finger in their eye" bit is helping Trump out, even with die-hard religious folks.

McMillian is not talked about much anymore; I don't think he is being supported by the "elites" here in Utah. They seem to have resigned themselves to either Trump or Hillary.

Posted by: Vanceone at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (IQzhs)

254 S they're basically saying this debate will be the deciding factor? I seem to remember another debate where a certain Mormon wiped the floor with a certain sitting President.....Thus we have President Romney...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 26, 2016 11:15 AM (O2RFr)

Well...That's becuz Romney surrendered and played down like a beaten dog in Debates 2 & #.

Since Holt has already indicated that he will completely throw away his integrity in favor of those sweet, sweet DC party invites,

Trump will be facing Romney's Debate 2 in format instead of a more "neutral" Romney Debate 1.

If he does indeed crush this, watch out!

Trump may get the landslide numbers he requires to overcome Democrat voter fraud.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (0cMkb)

255 "They may want to check their college education a little bit.
Not impressed with what I'm seeing."

That's because they are not educated. They are credentialed. Big difference.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (d76uN)

256 The only Trump signs I have seen are in heavily unionized blue collar neighborhoods which were solidly Dem 40 years ago. They can say whatever they want to their bosses - he's not going to follow them into the voting booth.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (u0

And that could be this election, in a nutshell.
The Democrat sins against the working class will not be so easily forgiven, November 8.
This has historical precedent.

Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (d6TTt)

257 The thing about polls that many fail to realize is that when you hear Trump is losing "college-educated women." is that most of them were going to vote for Hillary over ANY republican anyway. But when they say that Trump is doing great with "non-college educated" white men, remember that many of them would probably be voting democrat if Joe Biden were running. We joke that the Democrats and the media think that anyone who votes against Hillary is "anti-woman", but there is something to it. Many men (and more women that you think) WON'T vote for a female for president.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (vrijl)

258 Why was she wearing a winter coat on a warm day?
--

I have noted that she has been wearing what appear to be oddly heavy wool knits for the summertime.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (9mTYi)

259 Except Obama nationalized most of the student loans so outright forgiveness would put you and me on the hook, not the schools.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist

Except that isn't the plan I had in mind--I thought about that! No, make the schools responsible as if they had cosigned--and make them cosign on all Fed student loans going forward.

Time to burst that bubble--and raze that stronghold...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (9krrF)

260 For many of us who still aren't on Trump's train

it's because he's pushing almost 0 policies that I actually want. I
can't pin his immigration policy which might be the only place I have
any overlap with him. But I find tariffs to be counterproductive at best
and a ton of other stuff he's pushing is just bread and circuses.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist

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"President Hillary"

*mic drop*

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (zu88C)

261 Ace makes her pancakes. Cause he is a gentleman

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (VFGDF)

262 The only Trump signs I have seen are in heavily unionized blue collar neighborhoods which were solidly Dem 40 years ago.
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Funny how the Democrat party of 40 years was for the blue collar working guy, but todays Democratic Party is about all the pandered to schisms and every flavor of ethinic minority group and SJW club, very often to the detriment of the blue collar working guy.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (8XRCm)

263 Not healthy. Should be home tending to her health and her grandbaby. Shame on Bill and Chelsea for not putting an end to this debacle.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (tvyXw)

It's cute that you think that Hill would do what either one of them suggests or that they would care enough to try. I think they will be the happiest people on the planet when she leaves this mortal coil.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (kXoT0)

264 (In addition to not knowing how to make tiny url's, I also can't seem to figure out how to properly format my damn comments.)

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (ukad2)

265 I will not watch the debate tonight simply because it could be a ham sandwich going up against Hillary and I'm on the ham and mayo ticket.

There's no way in hell I would ever cast a vote for a Clunton, so I don't need to watch it. I don't care at this point.

Posted by: Sponge at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (xttKs)

266
But one wonders about George P.? He does have a future to worry about.

Has he endorsed or said something positive? Not a big national player, but may have a bright future.
Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (gmeXX)
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George P started off as NeverTrump and then said "unite behind the candidate." I say he's a stealth bush and should be pulled up, but no, the Texas Republicans have other plans for him.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (oGNNA)

267 / blue collar sock off

Posted by: Mortimer: deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (zu88C)

268 He isnt hispanic. Hes indiam. Dot not feathet. And DeSai can be an indian muslim name

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:40 AM (VFGDF)

"Desi" isn't "DeSai", but, FWIW, "desi" is the term by which Indian muslims refer to themselves.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (o9m/V)

269 Obama Rosh Hashanah conference call with Rabbis today. Distributing sermon talking points no doubt.

Posted by: gracepc at September 26, 2016 11:52 AM (OU4q6)

270 That's because they are not educated. They are credentialed. Big difference.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (d76uN)

This is exactly correct.

And really fvcking sad.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2016 11:52 AM (Zu3d9)

271 "Desi" isn't "DeSai", but, FWIW, "desi" is the term by which Indian muslims refer to themselves.

Does this mean he's Cuban then?

Posted by: Ricky Ricardo at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (4HySM)

272 CBC Newsworld is carrying tonight's debate up here in Canada.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel

With a simultaneous translation from English to Canadian....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

What time is that metrically ?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (Hb9w3)

273 The best argument for DJT competence is the 'crumbling infrastructure' argument -- which was a big plus for him for me (although I can't stand him and wanted someone else, I'll vote for him). He has actually built things with real costs, penalties and somehow getting through the mazes of dem-run patronage machines.

I hope that is somehow highlighted tonight. Real accomplishments rather than rhetorical flourishes.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (MIKMs)

274 Nathan Desai - Lawyer identified as Houston Shooter.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-desai-84043854

Posted by: An Observation at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (SAMq1)

275 A circadian Canadian has a poutine routine.

Posted by: True Facts Russian News at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (UezpB)

276 A vote for a third party candidate or staying home is a vote for a Hillary presidency.

Depends where you are. There are 5, maybe 10 states where your vote matters. All the others are firmly red or blue.

I live in a state where my vote doesn't count. I was going to cast my protest vote for Johnson until he didn't know what a Leppo is, so now it may go to Dr. Jill Stein's tits.

Trump v. Clinton is the worst outcome I could have expected from this season, but somehow it's the debate I've most looked forward to. I expect actual blood, or at least hydraulic fluid, on the walls.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (mgbwf)

277 Also... even if this is the worst debate evah, and Trump screams at Hillary then walks off the stage, things can change.

There are two more Islamic holidays before the election.

How many terrorist incidents will they incite?

How many more black cop shoots black perp it's whitey's fault riots will there be?

Lots can happen.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (tvyXw)

278 @253: "McMillian is not talked about much anymore."

Was he ever talked about much?

Outside of Bill Kristol's fever dreams?

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (21hN3)

279 236 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:47 AM (zc3Db)

Where's your condom?

"YOU are my condom."

Yeah "crock of shit."

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (SzZnW)

280 So that's why I'm not 50 points ahead! Sexism. Sexist men shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (iFgwk)

281

Pick one.

[ ] Trump

[ ] Clinton

It's still just that simple.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (J+eG2)

282 I'm amazed by all the Canadians who post here - you
(I presume), AOP, andycanuck, Dirks Strewn, etc. etc. It's a compliment
to us that you are that interested in our politics, is the way I look
at it. So thank you.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (xpSCc)

I have family ties and worked in the US for 8 years, including 9/11.
And as the US goes, so goes the world, and freedom...and the last 8 years sucked.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (/NlFx)

283 i like in You Better You bet where he goes

"...but I drunk myself blind listening to old T. Rex...

...listening to olllld T Rex....

...(ohhh... and Who's Next?)..."

Who's Next being a who album of course.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (dciA+)

284 "President Hillary"

*mic drop*

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at September 26, 2016 11:50 AM (zu88C)

Exactly. The #NeverTrump mentality, at this point, will DESTROY America as we know it and it may never recover.

Posted by: Sponge at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (xttKs)

285 Trump v. Clinton is the worst outcome I could have expected from this season, but somehow it's the debate I've most looked forward to.

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Plus it is going to be fun to watch the meltdown when Trump does actually beat Clinton.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (gmeXX)

286 But I find tariffs to be counterproductive at best

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 11:45 AM (dzmBR)

One-way open markets (ours open, theirs closed) are counterproductive. Tariffs - which are the original method of funding the government ... back before the income tax allowed the feral government to perform colonoscopies on all of us every year - are legitimate and important tools. The idea that all tariffs are bad is a myth made-up by the globalists to try and tear down one more foundation of the nation-state. And the money lost in reduced tariffs is easily picked up by increasing the income tax - so we are paying for the importation either way.

An economy without borders makes as much sense as a nation without borders. There's nothing wrong with tariffs but there is something wrong - very, very wrong - with the idea that all tariffs are bad.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (zc3Db)

287 Just glad I'll be at work and my dinner hour will not coincide with the debate. Will just have to endure Monday night football in the break room.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (fzR64)

288 Wonder if DeSai made any political contributions

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (VFGDF)

289 So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was largely a class-based race

To be fair, I never disagreed with your hypothesis. Because it was too damned obvious.

Posted by: physics geek at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (MT22W)

290 Aunt Peggy (I know I know) had a story about meeting a well connected, wealthy Manhattanite for lunch. The guy said, basically, do not use my name. I am going to vote for Trump, but I am then going to lie about it and tell everyone I voted for Hillary.

I suspect there are more than a few people who feel that way. In fact, I'm leaning that way myself. Not that I'm telling anybody I voted for Hillary, but that I'm only voting downticket, which is what I said I was going to do when Trump became the nominee.

It's wussiness I know, but I'm sick to death of arguing about politics with liberals. This is the only place I discuss how I really feel.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (u0lmX)

291 276 A vote for a third party candidate or staying home is a vote for a Hillary presidency.

Depends where you are. There are 5, maybe 10 states where your vote matters. All the others are firmly red or blue.

I live in a state where my vote doesn't count. I was going to cast my protest vote for Johnson until he didn't know what a Leppo is, so now it may go to Dr. Jill Stein's tits.

Trump v. Clinton is the worst outcome I could have expected from this season, but somehow it's the debate I've most looked forward to. I expect actual blood, or at least hydraulic fluid, on the walls.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 11:53 AM (mgbwf)

I'm in PA. For the first time in a long time my vote could actually matter.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (RD7QR)

292
263 Not healthy. Should be home tending to her health and her grandbaby. Shame on Bill and Chelsea for not putting an end to this debacle.

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Oh come now. What organism would do that to itself?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (oGNNA)

293 Pick one.

[ ] Trump

[ ] Clinton

It's still just that simple.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

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Exactly!

wait....wut?

Posted by: Gary Johnson, dude at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (zu88C)

294 Rather, he called those who shut down debate by using the term bigots -- he clearly called them bigoted by definition. A beautiful thing, it really was.
Posted by: Vanceone at September 26, 2016 11:36 AM (IQzhs)

That's a very good thing. Especially for LDS folks, if freedom of religion and speech go the way of the dodo, they will be hard hit.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 11:56 AM (kXoT0)

295 "Depends where you are."

I beg to differ. Every vote not cast for Trump gives just a tiny more fraction of truth to the lie, "well Trump has no mandate"

Which you will see the second it becomes clear that hillzebub has lost.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at September 26, 2016 11:56 AM (d76uN)

296 Gary Johnson has a great slogan: Pot In Every Pot.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 11:56 AM (Nwg0u)

297 >>In addition to not knowing how to make tiny url's

Just copy your url, go to TinyUrl dot com and paste it into the box. Push the Make TinyUrl box and copy the new url.

Make sure you are standing on one foot and chanting appropriately.

Will work with pants on, but may need two tries.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 26, 2016 11:56 AM (gTQoY)

298 I honestly didn't think he had a chance. Wife said the more people see of Hillary, the less they like her and her numbers will drop. You were right, honey!

Posted by: duke at September 26, 2016 11:56 AM (EQNFN)

299 272
CBC Newsworld is carrying tonight's debate up here in Canada.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel

I might actually watch it on CBC. There's a chance they might have fair coverage.

Or not.

/in SE MI, get some Canadian channels.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:57 AM (tvyXw)

300 "What time is that metrically ?"

Pea soup.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 26, 2016 11:57 AM (l2Jd8)

301 That Who song is greatness. Love the album version best, though seeing them do it is pretty great.

Posted by: Marlowe at September 26, 2016 11:57 AM (7YZyt)

302 A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary - just for the other person.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2016 11:57 AM (EJsAU)

303 >>>Throw in some pancakes and this sounds exactly like one of Banana Splits Guy's Winona fantasies.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:49 AM (xpSCc)

Ace and his Frenchy girlfriend double date with Winona and me sometimes. We throw some bicycles for two in the back of the Amphicat and head off to a state park where we can bike around, and rock climb, and take our ladies out on the lake. We intermittent fast all day long and then we eat a bunch of bacon pancake sammiches at sunset drinking red wine before heading back. Ace makes out with his woman in the back while Winona and I hold hands and laugh about how we used to be when we were 29.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:57 AM (DJni3)

304 Thanks Mama AJ!

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM (ukad2)

305 >>>To be fair, I never disagreed with your hypothesis. Because it was too damned obvious.
Posted by: physics geek a

yes but there's a dunderheaded Religious Dogma among many conservatives that we are a fully class-free society and any talk of class at all is Marxist.

This is a line politicians say on the stump which some dopes have taken to be a real thing.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM (dciA+)

306 ...Due to hackers, most likely Russians, the debate broadcast was interrupted at the 42 minute mark...

...Hillary was obviously winning up to that point, which strongly indicates Russian interference with the transmission...

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM (Ee2nz)

307 So it's going to be close? I'm no psychic but: I see armies of the dead rising to cast their undead ballots--and not just in Chicago...I see hundreds of cars with trunks stuffed full of miraculously found Democratic ballots...I see 120% precinct returns, all Democratic...I see hundreds of thousands of illegals bussed to polling stations in states without voter ID laws. I see more, a phantasmagoric kaleidoscope of payoffs and backroom deals and outright voter intimidation and disenfranchisement.

Hugh Hewittis right: a Republican presidential candidate must win by a wide margin or he or she won't win at all. Close won't cut it. Trump needs to take the lead and widen the spread so much there's no way the Democrats can cheat their way to the White House.

It all rides on the debate tonight. Burn this witch.

Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM (OGbEB)

308
I'll watch tonight, cuz even though I find Hillary! completely repulsive and the Democrat toadying of Holt to be pitiful-

it's the only way I'll know what really happened.

By watching with my own two lying eyes.

The post-debate spin by the Hillarhoids is going to flood the entire MSM with help, I'm sure, from GOPe/#NeverTrumptard types-

They've already announced this as their plan and some MSM hacks have already announced they're signing on to the plan.

So, I will watch.

YMMV.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (0cMkb)

309 I beg to differ. Every vote not cast for Trump gives just a tiny more fraction of truth to the lie, "well Trump has no mandate"

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I agree with you on the effect - not that it would definitely be a lie per se.

But a Trump who won with the most votes ever would be stronger than a Trump who won with the fewest (at least of past several elections).

All things being equal, I'm looking for a weaker executive branch.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (gmeXX)

310 259
Except Obama nationalized most of the student loans so outright forgiveness would put you and me on the hook, not the schools.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist

The funding to the schools could be cut and eliminated to recoup some of the costs. And put in some other punishing taxes on the schools, their unions, their teachers, sports and supporters.

Put a 50% tax on the tuition of all non-TEM degrees. And if the University sciences manage to prove there's less than, oh, let's say 5 genders, start lowering the tax on them too.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (/NlFx)

311 Staying home on Election Day is a vote for Hillary.

Going out on Election Day - say, dinner at LongHorn Steakhouse - is a vote for Trump.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (EJsAU)

312 I beg to differ. Every vote not cast for Trump gives just a tiny more fraction of truth to the lie, "well Trump has no mandate"

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Wai... wut???

What happened to"undetectable" and "principals" and "conscience" and "moral high gorund"????

Seems we've moved to...."deny him a mandate". New one to me.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (8XRCm)

313 GLENN BECK TODAY: "I should have said, 'You know who can win, you know who could beat Hillary Clinton? Marco Rubio,'" Beck argued. "'And I disagree with him on the Gang of Eight, there's about 80 % that I do agree with him on. He's kind of a politician, but he's a different kind of politician, he's young politician, he's a Hispanic, he can win. Let's go for it.'"

Regrets ... mean you shoulda voted Rubio.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (21hN3)

314 Going OT

CLFA sale & new releases - lots of SF, YA, urban fantasy, and one Christian crime suspense

Link in nic

Posted by: Deplorable @votermom at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (Om16U)

315 OMG

Banana Splits Guy

Posted by: ThunderB at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (VFGDF)

316 I can't but think that the people helping Trump prepare for tonight and apparently there are several, will alert him to Holt's biases and give him several options to respond.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (EnGQE)

317 Ace makes out with his woman in the back while Winona and I hold hands and laugh about how we used to be when we were 29.
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Ace 29 means that Ace started the blog at 15.

/is Ace a real life Doogie Houser?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (tvyXw)

318 I seem to recall that the MSM built up the Matt Lauer-hosted Presidential Forum as *the* big deciding event, where Hillary would wow the audience with her expertise and Trump would beclown himself.

Before that, weren't they hyping the RNC/DNC acceptance speeches as the big deciding events, where Trump would put off the American public and Hillary would charm all of us into believing she is The One!

The MSM *is* in a war of narratives, which they keep rewriting with each Hillary fail. If she doesn't "win" and/or Trump doesn't "mess up" (based on their definitions, not our perceptions) then the next debate will really, truly be the decider, you guys - swearsies!!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (NOIQH)

319 By now the little incision should be healed up for Hillary! Where they surgically installed a wireless earpiece.

Now for the Trump team to find the frequency and hack the signal. "Hillary! This is G-d talking."

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (fzR64)

320
The "news" told me today that clinton campaign chose an extra large podium for her. My guess is so they can hide a stool for her to take commercial breaks on.

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (8PrS9)

321 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 26, 2016 11:57 AM (DJni3)
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Sounds very romantic, BSG. I knew pancakes had to figure in there somewhere.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (xpSCc)

322 Over twenty people shot in B'More this weekend.
Four are dead.

This lawlessness makes some people uneasy, and looking for a strong leader.

And not a tottering drooling Grandmother who reeks of lilac powder and vicks vaporub

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (J+eG2)

323 One-way open markets (ours open, theirs closed) are counterproductive. Tariffs - which are the original method of funding the government ... back before the income tax allowed the feral government to perform colonoscopies on all of us every year - are legitimate and important tools. The idea that all tariffs are bad is a myth made-up by the globalists to try and tear down one more foundation of the nation-state.

Um, no. Protectionism, whether tariffs or quotas, hurts the protectionist side.

Conservatives used to revere Milton Friedman until this election cycle.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (mgbwf)

324 I live in a hyper-Progressive swamp. I have not seen more than 4 or 5 Hillary bumper stickers, and no Hillary yard signs, yet.

This is encouraging, but only a little. I suspect that the same Dems who have been pulling the ticket-wide 'D' lever for years will do so again this time, however distasteful they might find Hilz. They will do it because the thought of pulling an 'R' lever makes them physically ill. It is a pathology which was transmitted to them by their mother's milk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (9mTYi)

325 Wonder if DeSai made any political contributions

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Didja see on WZ the Donks are accepting donations in the name of Russkie atomic spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? I guess they're trying to electrify the voters.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (Nwg0u)

326 yes but there's a dunderheaded Religious Dogma among many conservatives that we are a fully class-free society and any talk of class at all is Marxist.

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Is it that they think we are or that we should be?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (gmeXX)

327 The only real question here is how well they adjust her doses.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (+wjl1)

328 +++++ ace +++++

just a helpful reminder:

Great day to download Stronglifts app. Pressing that red button every set is psychologically motivating for me and an awesome way to document teh GAINZ!

Posted by: Mortimer: deplorable at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (zu88C)

329
It's wussiness I know, but I'm sick to death of arguing about politics with liberals. This is the only place I discuss how I really feel.
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We've always put up yard signs in the past, but we're not doing it this year. Call it wussiness, call it "why provoke ill feelings between neighbors," whatever. In four years' time I think we'll all be in agreement once again, no matter who wins in November.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (oGNNA)

330 An economy without borders makes as much sense as a nation without borders. There's nothing wrong with tariffs but there is something wrong - very, very wrong - with the idea that all tariffs are bad.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (zc3Db

You speak in terms of an idealized system though, which we don't have.
Firstly, love it or not, the income tax isn't going anywhere, and any money generated by tariffs is already spent anyway.
Secondly the current tariff system is really just a handout to various business interests (hi there corn lobby!)
Thirdly in the modern transit age you're competing with places like Taiwan and yes China, whether you want to or not. A tariff can raise the price of goods to try and limit that competition, but that's about it.
Does this mean we should let china just dump on us? No.
Does it mean that starting a trade war with Mexico and Canada is going to fix our economy. Also no.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (dzmBR)

331 186 Coumadin?

Couma Abedin

Posted by: Shoeless 'ron at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (f29+z)

332 The "news" told me today that clinton campaign chose an extra large
podium for her. My guess is so they can hide a stool for her to take
commercial breaks on.
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90 min
no commercials
no breaks
no sitting

that doesn't mean she won't be sitting when the camera is off her though.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (tvyXw)

333 NATIONAL POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS OMFG oh wait there's state ones in there. WHATEVER LOUD NOISES.

So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately scotched.

I think it's that though more of a mindset than necessarily having a college degree. It's credentialism, not education. Those who view credentials as the be all and end all of worth as a human being are, understandably, horrified at the lumpenproles pointing out that is really not the case.

The notion that maybe, just maybe, that degree you kissed so much ass to get might not be an indicator that you are worthy as person is a huge threat to self-esteem and that's when the lashing out begins.

Look, I'm not precisely blessed with an over abundant amount of intellectual humility. But I've never thought being good at taking tests says anything other than I'm good at taking tests. It has nothing to do with my worth (or lack thereof) as a person. It is, at most, a neutral statement. Being able to read very quickly, retain that information, spit it out and move words around is a skill, not an indication of morality. Thinking otherwise is ridiculous.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (mf5HN)

334 I guess they're trying to electrify the voters.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (Nwg0u)

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Starting with a small nucleus, heh??

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (8XRCm)

335 Some leftist over at Insty is wish-casting that Hillary will destroy Trump over his marriages, e.g. how she "kept" hers yet he's been through 3.

Ummm?

Except the part where Trump's exes seem to still like him?
And that he didn't lie to the nation about it?
And that he didn't send his wife out to smear the reputation of the other woman?

Even funnier is the dream that Republican voters are going to vote for Hillary over the issue that Trump's been divorced.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (e2Rx3)

336 313 Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (21hN3)'

A vote for Mark the Rube is a vote for the GOP to turn America into California 1994 and on after the 1986 Amigo Grande.

"No."

Any Republican who did not grasp he had Chuck Schumer looking as sated as Beijing Billy on Whore Island is not worth leadership.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (SzZnW)

337 I really want Trump to do a Jack Palance one armed push up to kick off the debate.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (1H9ox)

338 Now things are getting fun.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (0mRoj)

339 I'm in PA. For the first time in a long time my vote could actually matter.

Oh yeah. What are you seeing?

I remember going down to visit Mommy in Bucks County in '08 and seeing nothing but Obama lawn signs. I knew it was over.

Which part of the Keystone State are you in and what do you see?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (mgbwf)

340 perhaps the biggest difference between this presidential election and previous ones is that there already is a broad republican majority in congress and on the state level. people don't seem to note this. i can't recall a time we've had this situation on the verge of replacing a democrat president.

this reality on the ground must stand for something greater than shifting poll numbers. and yet the democrat has been favored. it's interesting...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (WTSFk)

341 OK, another reason to vote for Trump even if you loathe him: Free Speech.

Look at Europe - years of progressive leftism, and people are being prosecuted in Germany for shit they wrote on Facebook. They're being threatened by the police in Scottland for mean tweets. Voting for ANYONE but trump, is a vote for crumpling up the first amendment and throwing it on the pyre.

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (ukad2)

342 @323: "Conservatives used to revere Milton Friedman until this election cycle."

Conservative "thinkers" revered Friedman.

Republican voters en masse either don't know who Friedman is or maybe saw a cool YouTube video of him once or twice.

And some of the biggest Friedman booster are now voting Clinton.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (21hN3)

343 >>Plus it is going to be fun to watch the meltdown when Trump does actually beat Clinton. Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 11:55 AM (gmeXX)

In the event, this deplorable will be taking a few days off from work to savor the lamentations of da vimmen.

Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (Bdeb0)

344 >> This is encouraging, but only a little. I suspect that
>> the same Dems who have been pulling the ticket-
>> wide 'D' lever for years will do so again this time,

I'm sure that's the case but even this election will be won or lost at the margins, if the nominal 68% D vote in my district is pared to 63% it will mean nothing here, but a 5% shift in other areas means a lot.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (TppKb)

345 He's kind of a politician, but he's a different kind of politician, he's young politician, he's a Hispanic, he can win. Let's go for it.

The crazy is strong with Beck.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (X6fMO)

346 Brand new poll of FLorida, by the Florida Chamber of Commerce...

Hillary 43
Trump 41

Hillary leads by 3 in head to head matchup.

Bad news for Trump in Florida.

flchamber.com

Posted by: trump'snonexistantcampaignads at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (7ZD47)

347 Does this mean we should let china just dump on us? No.

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Why? That sounds bad, but what is wrong with China dumping on us? Doesn't that mean we the consumer can buy stuff very cheaply? What is wrong with giving the consumer that option?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (gmeXX)

348 Now for the Trump team to find the frequency and hack the signal. "Hillary! This is G-d talking."
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No, soft womans voice.

"Hillary? It's Huma..."

Maybe Satan. Or "allah."

I doubt Hillary would listen to God.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (tvyXw)

349 Only the lower classes are crass enough to vote according to their own interests. They are too short sighted to see the dangers of global warming. They are too callous and bigoted to see the need for their sharing the same space with thousands of unvetted refugees.

Posted by: Elitist liberal at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (iFgwk)

350
327 The only real question here is how well they adjust her doses.

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The art and science of politics.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (oGNNA)

351 Yes Empress, the Credentialed Cretins need a nap and their blankie.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (fzR64)

352
Brian Pipsqueak Stelter told me one of Trump's many "lies" is Trump claiming opposition to Iraq war.

What is Stelter's evidence that this is a lie, you ask? There's no evidence of Ttump ever doing so! So that means It's A Lie!

Posted by: M Magoo's at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (8PrS9)

353 322
Over twenty people shot in B'More this weekend.

Four are dead.

This lawlessness makes some people uneasy, and looking for a strong leader.

And not a tottering drooling Grandmother who reeks of lilac powder and vicks vaporub

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (J+eG2)
But she holds the promise to continue feeding the monster called FSA

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (jxbfJ)

354
Voter Mom, NaNoWriMo is broken down into regions and there are usually one or more members who volunteer and are designated as liaisons who try to organize write-ins where the group actually meets in meat-space to write/socialize. Not sure if an AoS group could be created.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (fzR64)

Anna and Votermom, if you decide to get an AOS group together, I would love to be part of it. There are some incredibly literate and talented writers at Ace's house, and this might be a great way for us to encourage each other, and get some good books out there.

Posted by: Moki at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (VnCI9)

355 yes but there's a dunderheaded Religious Dogma among many conservatives that we are a fully class-free society and any talk of class at all is Marxist.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM (dciA+)

We are a class-free society. Everyone has the opportunity to move up and down on the soci-economic/education ladder without restraint. Sure, there are groups of people who are in the same position with respect to some measure of finance or education or whatever, but the essence of a "class framework" in a society is that people are generally restricted - that there is no movement in between the classes. That is what leads people to deeply identify with their class, since they are stuck there, no matter what.

We have nothing like that in America. People are only stuck in a position if they are not bright enough to move out or not motivated enough to do the work to move out of it.

Americans do not identify with "class" because they know they are not sentenced to be in that "class" and the same for all their progeny. THAT is why we really don't have "classes" (as the term is traditionally understood) in America.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (zc3Db)

356 "I guess they're trying to electrify the voters.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (Nwg0u)"

And here I am, just trying to electrify some convicted murderers.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (J+eG2)

357 that doesn't mean she won't be sitting when the camera is off her though.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 26, 2016 12:01 PM (tvyXw)

You don't think Donald won't point that out?

Posted by: Scout at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (ukad2)

358 "Desi" isn't "DeSai", but, FWIW, "desi" is the term by which Indian muslims refer to themselves.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2016 11:51 AM (o9m/V)

No.

Desi is a blanket term, referring to the people and cultures of the south Asian countries of India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan. It has no particular religious connotations other than that of religion being of part of the cultures of those countries.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (F26eZ)

359 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (9mTYi)

Me too, I live in a hyper-progrsseiuce swamp-just not the same one you live in. :^) One Hillary sign. Two Hillary bumper stickers. That's it. Many signs of r Trump Even the leftists are just not that excited by this particular historic first.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (EnGQE)

360 346 Posted by: trump'snonexistantcampaignads at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (7ZD47)

Sure sport.

Keep rutting that chicken.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:05 PM (SzZnW)

361 So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was
largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was
feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability
to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately
scotched.

---------

You were dead right. As always.

Also for fun , substitute "black people " for "college-educated crowd" and you get still another facet of the race.

So to speak.

Posted by: Mortimer: deplorable at September 26, 2016 12:05 PM (zu88C)

362 282 I'm amazed by all the Canadians who post here - you
(I presume), AOP, andycanuck, Dirks Strewn, etc. etc. It's a compliment
to us that you are that interested in our politics, is the way I look
at it. So thank you.

Posted by: bluebell at September 26, 2016 11:48 AM (xpSCc)

I have family ties and worked in the US for 8 years, including 9/11.
And as the US goes, so goes the world, and freedom...and the last 8 years sucked.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (/NlFx)

I had a Canadian once tell me.... 'you all think of Canada as America's hat, isn't it important to the Hat to know what that person is doing?"

Yes.... beers were involved...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:05 PM (qf6WZ)

363 >> In the event, this deplorable will be taking a few
>> days off from work to savor the lamentations of da
>> vimmen.

Park a motorhome in the Golden Gate Bridge vista point and hang a banner on the side offering Last Chance For A Fuck Before You Jump.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:05 PM (TppKb)

364 How big do you think H's pupils will be tonight? That woman is going to be tweaking like a meth head who just robbed his mama.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:05 PM (1H9ox)

365 346
Brand new poll of FLorida, by the Florida Chamber of Commerce...

Hillary 43

Trump 41

Hillary leads by 3 in head to head matchup.

Bad news for Trump in Florida.

flchamber.com

Posted by: trump'snonexistantcampaignads at September 26, 2016 12:03 PM (7ZD47)

But it is from the Chamber of Commerce. Take that poll in one hand, shit in the palm of the other and you'll find you have the same material in each hand.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:06 PM (jxbfJ)

366 351 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (fzR64)

Ms Puma check out my youtube channel, I am doing a tips for STO set and need feedback.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2016 12:06 PM (SzZnW)

367 a Republican presidential candidate must win by a
wide margin or he or she won't win at all. Close won't cut it. Trump
needs to take the lead and widen the spread so much there's no way the
Democrats can cheat their way to the White House.
Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM
~~~~~
That's the only thing I think about when I see poll results. One or two points is not enough. And this thing has been close enough for a long enough period of time that you just KNOW the dems have been working feverishly on their dead and illegal GOTV effort.

Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 26, 2016 12:06 PM (eM2Uz)

368 Brian Pipsqueak Stelter told me one of Trump's many "lies" is Trump claiming opposition to Iraq war.

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The problem with this attack by the media is that no one cares what Trump really thought at the time. He was a private citizen. Hillary actually casted a vote. And it is an issue that the left holds against her. This is a losing issue for the media.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:06 PM (gmeXX)

369 'cause the Florida Chamber of Commerce is neutral and objective.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 12:06 PM (21hN3)

370 364
How big do you think H's pupils will be tonight? That woman is going to be tweaking like a meth head who just robbed his mama.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:05 PM (1H9ox)

I'm hoping someone brings a tactical flashlight with them that has a strobe feature.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (jxbfJ)

371 Mr. Of Spades listens to the radio?

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (6xtq3)

372
A) the poles are all pushed for Hitlery, and B) a lot of people
would not admit to voting for Trump to some schmuck on the phone, so....
========
This is the evergreen reminder that:
1) the polls are not "skewed" so badly this close; recall 2012 and don't fall for that delusion.
2) There is no "Bradley Effect." None. If at all, it's a few hundredths of a percent. But not enough to matter.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (e2Rx3)

373 Brand new poll of Florida by Lincoln Elementary School of Central FL, Hillary leads by +20 jelly beans !!!

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (c6/9Q)

374 Great art and The Who. I love this site.

Posted by: Benko at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (5FKUO)

375 Brand new poll of FLorida, by the Florida Chamber of Commerce...

Hillary 43
Trump 41

Hillary leads by 3 in head to head matchup.

Bad news for Trump in Florida.

flchamber.com

Poll internals, please? And NOT a D+30

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (Hb9w3)

376 Did the candidates negotiate the ability to modulate their microphones? If I were on H's team I would have pushed for that one hard. She would be better off sounding all weird and nasally like Rush did when his ears were first crapping out on him than that alien screechy thing she does.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (1H9ox)

377 Great art and The Who. I love this site.
Posted by: Benko at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (5FKUO)

-----

People try to put us down.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (8XRCm)

378 so they have maybe been spending the last few days with Hillary in isolation, seeing which uppers work best to get her through 90 minutes.

My money is on 80mg oxycontin, slow release. I just know about those from my uncle, but there are probably a variety of options, depending on her several other conditions.

I'm thinkin that big green coat must contain air bags maybe, that deploy if she falls. Kinda like skiers use in avalanche zones. heh What was the temp that day? She overheated at the 9/11 memorial when it was 78, so it must have been like 55? strange indeed.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (n6rAX)

379 From a "who is a greater sinner" point of view, Trump probably is.

That's a really stupid statement. The casino industry weighed against Clinton Inc. ripping off the already dirt poor people of Haiti post earthquake? Numerous Clinton insiders turning up dead at critical moments? Nah, if we're weighing sin, nobody outweighs Grandma Killery.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (SeD0w)

380 313 GLENN BECK TODAY: "I should have said, 'You know who can win, you know who could beat Hillary Clinton? Marco Rubio,'" Beck argued. "'And I disagree with him on the Gang of Eight, there's about 80 % that I do agree with him on. He's kind of a politician, but he's a different kind of politician, he's young politician, he's a Hispanic, he can win. Let's go for it.'"

Regrets ... mean you shoulda voted Rubio.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (21hN3)

This is why he is a fraud.

This has always been Hillary's election no matter who the GOPe threw out there.

The Uniparty can get their agenda completed under Lady Hillary.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (vUuJ6)

381 Um, no. Protectionism, whether tariffs or quotas, hurts the protectionist side.

Based on what evidence, exactly?

That idea is much like the idea that deflation kills economies. That's a load of BS, too, but people keep repeating it because they've heard it so often but no one can actually provide any proof for it, though I can easily provide tons of counterexamples.

Conservatives used to revere Milton Friedman until this election cycle.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:00 PM (mgbwf)

I don't revere Milton Friedman. He was a smart guy but he wasn't right about everything. In fact, he was wrong about a lot of things.

Tariffs are legitimate government tools - and important tools, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (zc3Db)

382 Time to do stuff...

Remember, half of what the uninformed voter has been told about Trump is put into question if Trump goes on stage and DOES NOT do the Hitler salute.

Don't kill puppies or eat babies during the debate.

No onstage orgies that degrade women.

The constant media drumbeat against Trump has set the bar pretty damn low...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (/NlFx)

383 Trump needs to just appear to be a viable alternative to Hillary. If he can make himself seem like a choice who can be discussed and supported by college-educated professional class Republicans, the race is over. The only rationale that Hillary has for her campaign (other than "Hi! I have a vagina!") is that Trump is so tempermentally unsound to be President, that voters simply have to choose Hillary, even though she is a sick evil liar.

They have tried to cast Trump as a monster. He needs to show everyone that he isn't a monster. If he does that, its over.

Its full-on panic time over at the left BTW. The latest round of polls have them really scared.

Posted by: Revenant at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (3DSAh)

384 Hillzebub is said to be practicing with a Trump stand in. Makes me wonder what the pseudo-Trump is. A Donk view of Trump? Racist, corrupt, stupid etc. They guy who she should be ahead of by 50 points?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (Nwg0u)

385 ... i.e. if trump wins, doesn't that have to be seen as part of a larger republican wave that has been rising the past two elections and growing repudiation of democrat policies.

a trump victory considered in the context of republican majorities in congress and broadly in state governments across america would be a real mandate, greater than just the election itself.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (WTSFk)

386 I have family ties and worked in the US for 8 years, including 9/11.
And as the US goes, so goes the world, and freedom...and the last 8 years sucked.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 26, 2016 11:54 AM (/NlFx)

No close family ties. Did work briefly in U.S. oil patch as a "trainee". And many friends in the USA, plus I have a house in AZ, for winter getaways. And I concur with SI's last sentence above, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (o9m/V)

387 New surprise guest at the debate tonight? Please God, let the rumor be true.

Posted by: deplorablejewells45 at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (zRZaJ)

388
Love the Who. "You Better You Bet?" Eh, not so much.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (9P3OG)

389
The best lens to view this troll's posts is through the Art of Canseiku -

Brand new poll of FLorida by the Florida Chamber of Commerce...
43

Hillary Hillary leads by 3 in
Hillary leads by 3 in head to head matchup bad news for Trump in Florida Trump 41

head to head matchup bad news for Trump in Florida.

dick-punching babbies

Posted by: Mortimer: deplorable at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (zu88C)

390 Too many polls-all over the place, not just here, Ace/ Too confusing. Which ones are correct? Who knows? I've just decided not to believe or follow any of them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (EnGQE)

391 >> The problem with this attack by the media is that
>> no one cares what Trump really thought at the
>> time.

The best reason to vote for Trump is that he's hated by all the right people, from Bill Kristol to Bono.

If they all self-immolated on election night, whatever happened in the next four years would be worth it.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (TppKb)

392 I could ask my M-I-L, but frankly I avoid her. How is the Crazy Old Person demographic looking?

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (6xtq3)

393
Breitbart has CO by 4 for Trump.

Nevertheless, barring a big news change this looks like a bush/gore scenario.

It is going to be a class war at the polls, shockingly the flamboyant Trump who always liked to show opulence is the pop choice. Because hillary is the wall street and elitist insider.

And millennials go third party, might be the difference for Trump.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (ODxAs)

394 "Brand new poll of FLorida, by the Florida Chamber of Commerce... "

I don't know about the Florida Chamber of Commerce.

But here in our little slice of heaven, the CoC loves them some immigration reform, and pretty much every other portion of the liberal platform.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 26, 2016 12:09 PM (J+eG2)

395 Florida Chamber of Commerce...

I don't even need to see the sample to know that's pure boolshit.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 12:10 PM (SeD0w)

396 Tonight is just like a NASCAR race; everybody will be watching to see who crashes first.

Posted by: unemployed angry old white guy at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (cB0zO)

397 Posted by: tubal at September 26, 2016 11:41 AM (d6TTt) --

I had stopped paying attention to anything political after the 2012 presidential. Before this year's primaries, my boyfriend surprised me by asking: Are we voting for Trump this year? This from a man who has never even registered to vote. He's a UAW member. When he came out with that question, I knew it had to be a result of peer pressure from his coworkers.

The union guys in Delaware County, PA are going for Trump. The guys in the trades are voting for him. I have seen mainly Trump lawn signs when I drive around, some of them homemade. People have them on their trucks and motorcycles.

In PA it's not just the economy. These voters feel abandoned by the Dem party, particularly the Obamacare fiasco. And they see the Dems as aggressive gun grabbers. Men and women in these parts are armed to the teeth. Pretty much everyone hates HIllary.

And the fancy "Independent" suburban female voters especially hate her because she's old and ugly and sick and she doesn't validate them. Trump needs to get his daughter out here for campaign appearances. She'll easily win over the suburban soccer moms, they'll gladly vote for her because she looks like a young fashionable sexy Winner who will make them feel proud when she poses pretty in the White House with Daddy.

Posted by: kallisto at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (nNdYv)

398 we do have classes, as Ace pointed out.

they are not permanent, as ThePrimordialOrderedPair pointed out.

the leftists and the globalists would like to change that, very very much

Posted by: Grad School Fool at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (swEzU)

399 Hillzebub is said to be practicing with a Trump stand in. Makes me wonder what the pseudo-Trump is.
...
It was a good gig. I couldn't turn down the money.

Posted by: zombie Rodney Dangerfield at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (1H9ox)

400
Colorado is shaping up to the be the most important race of all.

Clinton spent no money there, thinking it was solidly in the bag. That may be a fatal mistake, massive cheating on Election Day notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (9P3OG)

401
I disagree with him on the Gang of Eight, there's about 80 % that I do agree with him on.
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Yeah, and the Titanic disagreed with icebergs, but the other 80% of the route was great.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (oGNNA)

402 That's the only thing I think about when I see poll results. One or two points is not enough. And this thing has been close enough for a long enough period of time that you just KNOW the dems have been working feverishly on their dead and illegal GOTV effort.
Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi

______________

I'm the opposite in that I think any poll underestimates Trumps strength in the polls. So a tie means Trump is probably leading by 3-5 points.

Similar dynamic to Brexit.

Posted by: Maritime at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (fgAYu)

403 Tariffs are legitimate government tools - and important tools, too.

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The private sector has a great way of getting the government to use government tools for their own private interests.

I agree that there may be some legitimate reasons for tariffs - but most are really just used to get the government to protect some company or industry.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (gmeXX)

404 375 Brand new poll of FLorida, by the Florida Chamber of Commerce...

Hillary 43
Trump 41

Hillary leads by 3 in head to head matchup.

Bad news for Trump in Florida.

flchamber.com

Poll internals, please? And NOT a D+30
Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 12:07 PM (

That's the Florida Chamber of Commmerce.

Trump is ahead by 120,000 votes with a little over 1.5 million early votes cast.

A small minority are admitting they are voting Trump.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 26, 2016 12:12 PM (vUuJ6)

405 Ace 29 means that Ace started the blog at 15.

Posted by: shibumi
________

Ace blogs from a spaceship moving close to the speed of light so he ages slower than us earthbound readers.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2016 12:12 PM (EJsAU)

406 396: i've said that about 3 times.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:12 PM (WTSFk)

407 >> Tariffs are legitimate government tools - and
>> important tools, too.

The key here is that free trade can be a basis for a trade policy but it is not and should not in itself BE a trade policy.

You cannot trade freely with entities that do not trade freely themselves. You may come out on top in the end but, as the old line goes, in the long run we're all dead.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:12 PM (TppKb)

408 Great Wikipedia sentences category, from them Roger Daltry entry:

The other members of the Who expelled Daltrey from the band in late 1965 after he beat up their drummer Keith Moon for supplying illegal drugs to Townshend and Entwistle, causing him to re-examine his methods of dealing with people.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:13 PM (/m8T6)

409 313
Regrets ... mean you shoulda voted Rubio.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 11:59 AM (21hN3)

I talked with people this weekend that still want Rubio chiefly because he is Catholic. And while a practicing Catholic, I will not vote for someone solely because of their religion (See VP candidate Kaine). The stupidity and blindness of the electorate as a whole still astounds me to this day.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:13 PM (jxbfJ)

410 What kind of system allows people to vote before the first debate?!

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at September 26, 2016 12:13 PM (394Te)

411 Polls? Where we are going we don't need POLLS.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (1H9ox)

412 OK, we all knew this was coming.

http://tinyurl.com/gm6xj93

Narcissists gotta narciss.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (Nwg0u)

413 Um, no. Protectionism, whether tariffs or quotas, hurts the protectionist side.

Based on what evidence, exactly?

Tariffs raise prices and shift the excess value to the government. Quotas raise prices and shift the excess value to the foreign companies.

Both hurt domestic consumers and therefor reduce their power to purchase other goods.

It's quite simple really, but I acknowledge that I can't win the Free Trade argument around here these days.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (mgbwf)

414 >> Ace blogs from a spaceship moving close to the
>> speed of light so he ages slower than us
>> earthbound readers.

There's a whole warehouse full of 29-year-old ace clones ready to go.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (TppKb)

415 Brand new poll of FLorida, by the Florida Chamber of Commerce... "

The open borders, GOPe Chamber of Commerce, huh? LOLLOL.

For troll:

Brand new poll of Key West gay bars shows Clinton is 20 points up!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (u0lmX)

416 Maybe it is just me, but I don't see the advantage of Hillary standing behind a larger lectern. If I stand next to a Cadillac Escalade do I look larger than if I stand next to an MG.? I think standing next to a bigger object makes me little smaller. Any thoughts?

Posted by: areswomen at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (GjEiU)

417 So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was
largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was
feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability
to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately
scotched.
***
They could have had Romney, and they said no to Mr Binders Full of Women.

They could have had Cruz, but they said no to Mr Punchable Face.

Now they've got Trump on tap.

And if they don't like him, they ARE going to get something they'll like less between now and 2020.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (X7E8f)

418 Polling in Maine suggest to the Portland newspaper the state might (for the first time) split its Electoral College votes. I don't believe that'll happen, but who knows.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:15 PM (/m8T6)

419 It's quite simple really, but I acknowledge that I can't win the Free Trade argument around here these days.

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Nope. I sort of get where the other side is coming from - its not really free, the government is just writing rules. Which to me is why it should simply be we will not enact any tariffs. Just let the consumer decide.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

420 >> The other members of the Who expelled Daltrey
>> from the band in late 1965 after he beat up their
>> drummer Keith Moon for supplying illegal drugs to
>> Townshend and Entwistle, causing him to re-
>> examine his methods of dealing with people.

I'm going to bet that little comment was written by a Brit.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:16 PM (TppKb)

421 Trump absolutely blowing Hillary out of the water with one of the
largest cohorts in the voting public, non-college educated white men.

Which is why I suggested this song for Trump in the ONT:

Walk your street
And I'll walk mine
And should we meet
Would you spare me some time?

'Cause you should see my world, meet my kind
Before you judge our minds

Blue collar

BTO -- Blue Collar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKKpY8g20lA

Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at September 26, 2016 12:16 PM (gyKtp)

422 I think standing next to a bigger object makes me little smaller. Any thoughts?
...
It's all about the angles. Ask Tom Cruise and Sylvester Stallone.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:16 PM (1H9ox)

423 If Trump does a credible job tonite, he'll have it in the bag if he can not step on his dick going forward. He won't get a second chance to take the lead, and he can *lose* it if he cocks-up one or both of the other two debates. He has to "win" all three debates (for given values of win) to take it. But if he does, she can't stop him.

This is a referendum on Hillary/Obama up to today. That's why all her money spent on ads and ground game haven't put her "50 points ahead". But it will be a referendum on Trump once he takes the lead. We're collectively looking for "well, shit; you'll have to do."

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 26, 2016 12:16 PM (ASSjT)

424 I cannot wait for the Nurse Ratchet to come out tonight !!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 26, 2016 12:17 PM (NuElX)

425 The other members of the Who expelled Daltrey from the band in late 1965 after he beat up their drummer Keith Moon for supplying illegal drugs to Townshend and Entwistle, causing him to re-examine his methods of dealing with people.

He also beat up audience members fairly regularly. He really liked fighting.

He had to choose between fighting and being in the band.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:17 PM (mgbwf)

426 JEM- I find it astonishing that the same "conservatives" who recognize the folly in telling your wartime enemy that you have takin certain measures off the table can claim that here should never, ever be a tariff enacted.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at September 26, 2016 12:17 PM (394Te)

427 Ace,
You still don't understand the scope of what's going on in this election. Noncollege educated, white voters are just a
part of the trump coalition. I live in one of the top three zip codes in the country, a bastion of proud, democratic voters. It is eerily but palpably quiet. NO Hillary signs anywhere; I purposefully look every time I walk my schnauzer. . One might say that they are just embarrassed to openly declare that they support a dishonest, unethical liar. I say that these uber educated swells are quiet Trump voters who don't want their well manicured landscapes vandalized. Hillary has been running commercials here in New Jersey, nonstop for at least five months. If the legend of the impenetrable "blue wall" is true, isn't it confusing that she would be spending ad dollars in a safe state? Me thinks her internals show something else.
An ex-dem

Posted by: Flowerbelle at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (KZdWP)

428 It's quite simple really, but I acknowledge that I can't win the Free Trade argument around here these days.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:14 PM (mgbwf)

Funny that you should capitalize "Free Trade". But that is correct. You aren't arguing for free trade. You're only arguing for unlimited and unrestricted importation. That's why you assess our tariffs as being bad without having to address anything about the other side.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (zc3Db)

429 Polls? I got yer Polls right here.

Posted by: Lech Walesa at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (1H9ox)

430 i think my comments at 340 & 385 are really good. there's little note of the context of this election, broad republican majorities in the federal & state govts.

a trump victory on top of those unprecedented majorities would be a mandate, indeed.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (WTSFk)

431 339 I'm in PA. For the first time in a long time my vote could actually matter.

Oh yeah. What are you seeing?

I remember going down to visit Mommy in Bucks County in '08 and seeing nothing but Obama lawn signs. I knew it was over.

Which part of the Keystone State are you in and what do you see?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:02 PM (mgbwf)

Reading/Berks County. People are mostly keeping it close to the vest but I have seen one (1) Hellary sign and numerous Trump signs. However -- and this could be important -- the number of indications of political support diminish the closer you get to Philly. In '08 and '12 everybody was happy to have an Obama sticker on their car; now, people are advertising less. Maybe a sign of lack of enthusiasm, maybe nothing.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (RD7QR)

432
406 396: i've said that about 3 times.

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I have too, but never so eloquently.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (oGNNA)

433 The GOTV thing is unclear to me. "They" tell us Hillary has incredible GOTV machine, and Trump is just wining it.

But another report said Trump has like twice as many as Romney had, and some citizen reporter went to a Hillary GOTV meeting and zero showed up ... they had the table waiting for 20 volunteers ... zero.

Most of the Hillary campaign seemed to depend on stomping Trump early, getting out the narrative the race is over, put those racists back in the shadows for good, etc. But it just ain't happening ... the irrational love for Obama does not transfer to Crooked Hillary, and Trump is more well known than Romney.

So at the least, it is possible that Hillary's machine is as broken down as old Hillary, and her under 500 "crowds" reveal she can't draw flies.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (n6rAX)

434 The "Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate" stories have already been written.

Judging by what I've heard from the Make Believe Media, this is exactly how I see it. I'm not watching tonight because I don't believe Lester Dolt will be impartial.

Posted by: Very Undude at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM (2X7pN)

435 That's a really stupid statement. The casino industry weighed against Clinton Inc. ripping off the already dirt poor people of Haiti post earthquake? Numerous Clinton insiders turning up dead at critical moments? Nah, if we're weighing sin, nobody outweighs Grandma Killery.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 26, 2016 12:08 PM (SeD0w)

Hillary, as Secretary of State, was complicit in the overthrow of three governments... and the military attack of another...

Overthrows? Libya, which is in Chaos.... Egypt, where she backed the Moslem Brotherhood (and lost), Ukraine (part of which now belongs to Russia)....

And by calling for the overthrow of Libya, put us in direct conflict with Russia, and helped arm and train people who then joined ISIS....

All done Unconstitutionally... without ANY basis in legality .... as there were no declarations of War, nor can they even remotely be covered under the War on Terror Act (which specifies we are going after Al Q, and its Allies... and none of these folks were Al Q or Allies).

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (qf6WZ)

436 I wish they had asked me for advice on the podium height.

Posted by: Robert Reich at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (MLfDH)

437 So, during the debate tonight, are Bill Kristol and the rest of the NeverTrumpers going to be doing a Stonehenge thing, sitting in a hotel conference room somewhere sticking pins in their Trump voodoo dolls?

And if so, will there be media coverage of the event?

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (TppKb)

438 Hillary, desperate for an advantage will take cheap shots.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (PjWy4)

439 FAB's podium should only be 78% the size of Trump's, shouldn't it?

Oh, and Beck: Hell hath no fury like a lover scorned.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (UnRK+)

440 >>The problem with this attack by the media is that no
one cares what Trump really thought at the time. He was a private
citizen. Hillary actually casted a vote. And it is an issue that the
left holds against her. This is a losing issue for the media. Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:06 PM (gmeXX)

"...and if I'd had access to the intelligence at the time--as Hillary did--I'd have been even more convinced that the WMD intel wasn't solid, and would've had the opportunity to ask IC briefers if their reporting was based on more than a single source in German control with both a serious drinking problem and serious lying problem."

She could've known better, and didn't. He couldn't have, and did.

Posted by: General Zod at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (Bdeb0)

441 It's wussiness I know, but I'm sick to death of arguing about politics with liberals. This is the only place I discuss how I really feel.

I understand. I have a husband who is voting for Trump and one friend who is but we don't discuss politics much at all. Everybody else I'm really close to will vote for Hillary so I don't discuss it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (EnGQE)

442 Are there going to be any stupid "Facebook questions" or Johnny on the spot tweeter questions? I hate that crap.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (1H9ox)

443 Yeah, I don't even try on free trade. But the only person we need to convince is Trump and he has surrounded himself with free traders, so we will see how it turns out.

The big problem with modern free traders in the Congress is that, having persuaded the Democrats to join in, they keep agreeing to world government crap in the trade deals.

That's a bridge too far, even if free trade helps both the economy and world peace.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (/m8T6)

444 405 Ace 29 means that Ace started the blog at 15.

Posted by: shibumi

He's a savant-genius. Why we come here, yes?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (ASSjT)

445 Remember: Lester Holt had a cameo in The Fugitive!

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (21hN3)

446 The "Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate" stories have already been written.

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Hillary fell off of her dias, hit her head, and shit her pantsuit. It will solidify her electoral support and here's why.

~VOX

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (8XRCm)

447 ... elections are the true polls. and republicans have won the last one handily.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (WTSFk)

448
This is a referendum on Hillary/Obama up to today.
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Suggestion for Trump...

Ms Clinton, you've asked why you aren't ahead of me by 50 points. You've called half the country names. And I have an answer for you. You aren't ahead by 50 points because people are judging you by your record. I understand, you don't want to be judged on your record. But the American people are holding you and the rest of the government accountable. And to those in America supporting me, those who want real change, let me just say that a vote for me is a vote to end the go along to get along that has been destroying this country under Hillary and her allies.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (X7E8f)

449 Thinking otherwise is ridiculous.

Posted by: alexthechick
________

Thinking that a person is a man or a woman based on whether said person feels like a man or a woman on a particular day is ridiculous.

I could site more examples. The point is that people think ridiculous things. These days, it's folly dismiss anything on the basis that it's absurd.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (EJsAU)

450 442
Are there going to be any stupid "Facebook questions" or Johnny on the spot tweeter questions? I hate that crap.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (1H9ox)
I'd be shocked if there wasn't.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (jxbfJ)

451 Everybody is saying that Hillary is gonna kill Trump with her "experience" and "policy chops".

I dont think it would be too hard for just about anybody to bat that away by focusing on the RESULTS of her experience.

Hillary Care, The Russian Reset, Syria, Benghazi. What the hell did she accomplish when she was Senator??

Hilay's "experience" is an abstract without any substance.
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And Trump has been perfecting his attack in this on the stump.

Every "plus" the media has built up, he tears apart as "what a failure, look at it now."
And he goes down the list; Libya, Syria, China, Russia, Iraq, Iran, etc.
Each one he explains the failure and ties it to Hillary.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (e2Rx3)

452 But it is from the Chamber of Commerce. Take that poll in one hand, shit in the palm of the other and you'll find you have the same material in each hand.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
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*looks at hands*

I don't think this sammich is going to taste good.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (9mTYi)

453 You aren't arguing for free trade. You're only arguing for unlimited and unrestricted importation.

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To the extent that free trade is a misnomer, then yes. But yes, that is basically what I am arguing for. Let the other countries make themselves poorer by imposing tariffs.

I do believe that some restrictions are valid, but should be used sparingly. I supported bans on imports from Cuba, from Iran. But not selective bans.

For good or bad - we trade with China now - a lot. If they want to sell us cheap stuff - so be it. Why should the government artificially raise the price by putting a tariff on it just to benefit some company or group that lobbied hard enough.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (gmeXX)

454 NOOD. Proof.

Posted by: johnd01 at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (ukNFU)

455 The "Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate" stories have already been written.
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Just like the "Hillary's Health Is Fine!" stories were coming out in droves right until she collapsed on video. Hell, they even came out immediately afterwards.

Voters will make up their own minds I hope.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (/m8T6)

456 >> the number of indications of political support
>> diminish the closer you get to Philly.

On one hand, I hope you're right.

On the other, tombstones vote Democrat.

Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (TppKb)

457 Trump has a pretty good idea what "free trade" is and what it is not

Posted by: runner at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (c6/9Q)

458 432: i would agree. got me there.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (WTSFk)

459 The cited data doesn't support Ace's class theory. There's more going on.

The ABC poll shows Trump winning white non-college men by 59%, white non-college women by 12% and white college men by 11%. He loses to white college women by 25%.

So Trump's pick-up with white non-college isn't matched by his losses with white college. Note that because white non-college is nearly 3X white college, it isn't close.

Trump loses white college women for several reasons. Some want Hillary as Historic First. Some don't want an Uber Daddy in office. I'd posit that white college women are over-represented in jobs that are dependent on government spending and fear change and expect that a President Hillary will create more of these jobs: e.g health care and education. Illegal Immigration is a factor here.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (r1fLd)

460 College educated crowd:

1: Those that graduated and couldn't hack it in the real world and remained and turned into professors. Indoctrination is absolute. Voting for killary.

2: Those that are over 35 years of age. Graduated and work in the real world. Are not teachers of any sort. Voting Trump.

3: Under 35 years old. Graduated. work or don't work. On the dole. still in mommy's basement. Book smart but street stupid. voting for Killary.

4: Hippie generation. Well, they are a lost cause no matter their education.

Posted by: exsanguine at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (7myz6)

461 The whole podium thing could have been solved by using Mussolini's photographer on those Hillary shots; lots of upward angle, jutting chin footage.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (MLfDH)

462 Oh, tonight is the Lester Holt - Trump debate?

Can't wait!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (2PHKP)

463 Yup, the actors went to Ohio this past weekend:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/west-wing-josh-malina-cast-931864

Posted by: Lizzy at September 26, 2016 11:32 AM (NOIQH)

How many people even remember The West Wing? I never watched an episode.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (Ee2nz)

464
416 Maybe it is just me, but I don't see the advantage of Hillary standing behind a larger lectern.
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I thought she was standing behind a lower lectern? Probably equipped with hand-grips and those foot-slots like they have on skis.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 26, 2016 12:23 PM (oGNNA)

465 Hillary has held a lot of government positions. And despite the dislike of an overbearing government, that means she is experienced to many of the average voters. In considering Foreign Policy for example weigh a simple Secretary of State versus Apprentice Reality Show. So, for some, Clinton - Trump is an easy Clinton.

Posted by: gracepc at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (OU4q6)

466 the comments are coming so fast here i'm getting dizzy. i'm hearing a voice say "run, luke, run" so i think i will.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (WTSFk)

467 And the fancy "Independent" suburban female voters especially hate her because she's old and ugly and sick and she doesn't validate them. Trump needs to get his daughter out here for campaign appearances. She'll easily win over the suburban soccer moms, they'll gladly vote for her because she looks like a young fashionable sexy Winner who will make them feel proud when she poses pretty in the White House with Daddy.
Posted by: kallisto at September 26, 2016 12:11 PM (nNdYv)

^^ This ^^ The biggest giggle is that the Hillz' camp thought Chelsea was their secret weapon with that demographic. Except Chelz is not, snap, all that fashionable, sexy, or even a winner--she is clearly a trust fund/genetic lotttery winner that everyone HAS to be nice to because of her connections, but, no one wants to BE her. Everyone wants to be Ivanka--happy, beautiful, rich, fulfilled, and with HER OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS, whereas with Chelz only the rich thing applies and perhaps the happy thing applies...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (kXoT0)

468 >>The GOTV thing is unclear to me. "They" tell us Hillary has incredible GOTV machine, and Trump is just wining it.

??But another report said Trump has like twice as many as Romney had, and some citizen reporter went to a Hillary GOTV meeting and zero showed up ... they had the table waiting for 20 volunteers ... zero.

Trump is relying 100% on the RNC for a ground game. Which is kind of funny since he is the guy running against the establishment.

The RNC has been building a ground game and focusing on specific voter groups like Hispanics since 2012 in hopes of matching the great organizational advantage the Dems have enjoyed for a number of years now.

This is from 2013.

http://tinyurl.com/jpxqn95

Seems to be working.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

469 Hillary has been running commercials here in New
Jersey, nonstop for at least five months. If the legend of the
impenetrable "blue wall" is true, isn't it confusing that she would be
spending ad dollars in a safe state? Me thinks her internals show
something else.

An ex-dem

Posted by: Flowerbelle at September 26, 2016 12:18 PM
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I'm in Jersey too, Flowerbelle, and frankly have been very surprised at the number of Hillary commercials---we're just not used to seeing ANY commercials here because were usually so reliably blue.

Just anecdotal, of course, but still very curious.

Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 26, 2016 12:25 PM (eM2Uz)

470 I would like to know what drug cocktail is being used on Hillary to make her appear semi-healthy tonight. All the side-effects and combination reactions must have kept a team of pharmacologists busy for weeks.

One cough and tomorrow they will all be fleeing the country with their families.

Posted by: Ripley at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (1BQGO)

471 @413

I wasn't a Rubio fan, but his debate response on tariffs was the right way to argue the point. Basically just call them taxes. It certainly isn't going to help blue collar Americans to raise taxes on their cheap imported consumer goods by 25%, right now the lower and middle classes are getting an enormous boost in spending power thanks to an abundance of cheap goods from Asia sold at discounters like Wal-Mart and Target.

Some of the protectionists have this fantasy that if we taxed those imports then suddenly American companies would be price-competitive to make those products here. But with labor unions and gov't regulations being what they are, there's no way that happens. The small number of jobs "created" here by protectionism wouldn't offset the reduced purchasing power caused by the tax increase. So maybe a few people end up with slightly better manufacturing jobs then they would have been able to get, while literally everybody else is paying 25% more for all of their clothing and electronics and beauty products and so on. It's a massive decline in standard of living for everybody middle-class and below that's being marketed as a boost to the working class.

Posted by: cjw at September 26, 2016 12:26 PM (onydf)

472 Hillary fell off of her dias, hit her head, and shit her pantsuit.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2016 12:20 PM (8XRCm)
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THIS!!!!! THIS IS MY DREAM!!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 26, 2016 12:27 PM (6xtq3)

473 416 Maybe it is just me, but I don't see the advantage of Hillary standing behind a larger lectern
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Larger podium, smaller lectern.

Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (eM2Uz)

474 If Trump blows this debate, I think enough people will tune him out and not bother with the other debates that he will lose.
With that said, I HOPE he stomps a mudhole in Hillary.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale- Depolorably Magnificent at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (m3iiU)

475
108 They are gonna wheel her out with a rigid exoskeleton to keep her upright, depends for her stroke induced incontenance, a pump with adderal to keep her alert, funny glasses for the whirly gig eyes, a ear mic to give her answers

She will be nearly bionic

Already catatonic.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (Hb9w3)

Which university did she go to again? Miskatonic?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (Twghx)

476 Anna and Votermom, if you decide to get an AOS group together, I would love to be part of it. There are some incredibly literate and talented writers at Ace's house, and this might be a great way for us to encourage each other, and get some good books out there.

Posted by: Moki at September 26, 2016 12:04 PM (VnCI9)

Second that. My next book has been lying around in pieces for more than five years and I could really use a kick in the ass.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (X6fMO)

477 She will be nearly bionic

Already catatonic.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 26, 2016 11:28 AM (Hb9w3)

Which university did she go to again? Miskatonic?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 26, 2016 12:28 PM (Twghx)

And full of gin and tonic.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 26, 2016 12:29 PM (FYrz1)

478 Hillary is a coattail rider and damaged the US as sec of state. She didn't do squat as a senator, I researched her legislative history and Nothing, Zero, Nada except naming post offices. It saddens me how incredibly stupid the population is. More interestingly, it seems to be the "not college educated" crowd that gets it, not the "college educated." The only thing I can attribute that to is the media the the two groups choose.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 26, 2016 12:30 PM (09Ay7)

479 Maybe I should just be anti-Tariff and not "free trade."

Deals like the TPP would purport to be free trade do undermine those of us who want real free trade. Gives the name a bad rap.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:30 PM (gmeXX)

480 For good or bad - we trade with China now - a lot. If they want to sell us cheap stuff - so be it. Why should the government artificially raise the price by putting a tariff on it just to benefit some company or group that lobbied hard enough.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:21 PM (gmeXX)

Because there are certain jobs and industries that it is in our national interest (and national security) to keep alive here, even at a cost.

Also, because we are in the enviable position that China (and everyone else) needs access to our markets more than we need access to theirs. Why would you want to throw that advantage away, and for nothing, really? To get a few cents off off some consumer goods that the feral government and fed turn around and immediately render moot with their intentional inflationary policies?

The US has a great advantage in the breadth and depth of our domestic market. It is the most valuable thing in the world. It makes no sense to just give that away. That is no different than how we are giving away citizenship as if it were worthless, but American citizenship used to be one of the most valuable items on Earth. That is quickly fading and for no benefit. We could have had as many immigrants of any type as we wanted. It was never a question of finding people who wanted to emigrate here. It was only a question of us exercising our sovereign right to determine who they were.

That is the same with goods and services. EVERYONE wants to sell here, if it's the last thing they do. Why act as if we need to entice companies to sell here? Why open our markets up naked to state-run companies from dictatorships? That's not how we do business, here (well ... not until recently). Why should it be how they other countries do business here?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 12:31 PM (zc3Db)

481 Deals like the TPP would purport to be free trade do undermine those of us who want real free trade. Gives the name a bad rap.

This. If it takes a 3,000 page document to define it, it's not free trade.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 26, 2016 12:32 PM (mgbwf)

482 I doubt Hillary would listen to God.

I assume she would lecture him instead.

Posted by: Crusader at September 26, 2016 12:33 PM (ewSN2)

483 The biggest giggle is that the Hillz' camp thought
Chelsea was their secret weapon with that demographic.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now with tiny wizened
charcoal grey lump that is the McEvil heart at September 26, 2016 12:25
PM
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Yep. And remember, they also thought the "sweet grandmother" thing was also a big plus. Not so much when grandma is on her last leg!

Posted by: Deplorable IrishEi at September 26, 2016 12:33 PM (eM2Uz)

484 Because there are certain jobs and industries that it is in our national interest (and national security) to keep alive here, even at a cost.

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What type of industries did you have in mind?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (gmeXX)

485 this is similar to the. Crowley debate in that it's a black guy, a white.guy, and a fat broad.

Posted by: x at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (cQCm/)

486 I hope Hill sharts herself then slips in it and falls off the dais too - but 8-sec delay is enough time for the live camera to be cut away. When it comes to bread and circuses though, Gennifer Flowers crotch-punching Mark Cuban in the front row would be an acceptable substitute.

Posted by: Nosegay of Deplorables at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (EIJH/)

487 It obiously doesn't take 3,000 pages to describe free trade. It takes the bulk of that to describe what American laws are going to be ignored, how the Bill of Rights will be undermined and mass censorship performed.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:35 PM (/m8T6)

488 I didn't see any Hillary yard signs in Rhode Island over the weekend.

On the other hand, I did see two Trump signs.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2016 12:36 PM (Zs4uk)

489 yes but there's a dunderheaded Religious Dogma among many conservatives that we are a fully class-free society and any talk of class at all is Marxist.

Posted by: ace at September 26, 2016 11:58 AM (dciA+)

I would also suggest that the same type of problem exists with the subject of campaign finance. The donation limits are now set far above what a person making the median income can afford to spend, so candidates spend all of their time courting unions, PACs, super-PACs, special PACs and rich people.

Set the limits to $250 per person or organization, period, with 10x (or some other multiple) matching funds to all candidates. That would be a step in the right direction. The breadth of one's donor base would suddenly become very important.

Posted by: HTL at September 26, 2016 12:38 PM (s4eYP)

490 465 Hillary has held a lot of government positions. And despite the dislike of an overbearing government, that means she is experienced to many of the average voters. In considering Foreign Policy for example weigh a simple Secretary of State versus Apprentice Reality Show. So, for some, Clinton - Trump is an easy Clinton.
Posted by: gracepc at September 26, 2016 12:24 PM (OU4q6)

Except that as Secretary of State, everything she touched turned to crap...

She FAILED... the world is worse off...

Egypt? Luckily they overthrew the ones we helped put into power, the Moslem Brotherhood.

Libya? She BOMBED them and now chaos...

Syria? She said overthrow Assad, who had a direct Defense Treaty with Russia... we armed and trained those who would become ISIS, and created the chaos needed for them to thrive.

Iran? getting the bomb with a Nuclear Agreement that NEITHER them nor us even signed..

NORK Nukes? read the headlines lately?

China and Islands??? They are flat out kicking our ass over there...

Ukraine? We backed the overthrow of the Legal Government, and created enough Chaos that Russia HAD to respond, as its on their Border... result? Russia bigger, Ukraine smaller, and still in chaos. (and yes, the CIA, and of all people George Soros were all sending money in to help overthrow the guy who won the election, because he backed Russia).

Soooo.... there is Experience.... and then there is FAILURE....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (qf6WZ)

491
But the latest Miskatonic University/Fangoria Magazine poll has Hillary up by 20%!!!!!

*oh, how I've missed Intrade*

Posted by: In before the troll at September 26, 2016 12:39 PM (Twghx)

492 Set the limits to $250 per person or organization, period, with 10x (or some other multiple) matching funds to all candidates. That would be a step in the right direction. The breadth of one's donor base would suddenly become very important.

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You don't see a free speech issue there?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)

493 What type of industries did you have in mind?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:34 PM (gmeXX)

Honestly, I haven't given the details of it much thought. Defense related. We never should have let Japan kill our memory industry (and they did it illegally, BTW, but that was only "adjudicated" ten years later when it was moot).

I'd have to give this some thought to come up with specifics, though it certainly would not be anything like a rigid list. We certainly shouldn't be giving away internet control. No doubt about that. Stuff like that.

As to plain tariff analysis beyond our national concerns, for each industry and country it depends on what their positions are. Are their companies government-owned? Government controlled? Are their markets (in that industry) open? Do they even have domestic markets for that? What access do Americans have to assets in that country? ... etc.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 12:41 PM (zc3Db)

494 "So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was
largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was
feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability
to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately
scotched."

Because most of Trump's current support is reluctant support, not people who actually want him except when contrasted with Hillary (and even then, only after Hillary has had a massive series of scandals). This is the first time Trump's over-performed Romney with this demographic, and it's clearly not because of Trump, but because of Hillary. This demo isn't as resistant to Trump as the college educated, but they are relative to traditional, boring Republicans. Both Trump and Hillary poll worse than even the losing candidates of any prior election, and they will each be a millstone around their own party's neck: http://tinyurl.com/hd5lyoq

Posted by: reform highlander at September 26, 2016 12:42 PM (jCH/T)

495 We certainly shouldn't be giving away internet control.

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I agree with this completely.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (gmeXX)

496
So tell me again how crazy I was to posit a year ago that this was largely a class-based race and that the college-educated crowd was feeling resentful and scared at having their hegemony -- their ability to cast a class-wide veto over a candidate -- challenged and ultimately scotched.

It's almost like a zombie Andrew Jackson besting George Will with a hickory stick.

Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (ngn8T)

497 I'm actually concerned with Trump tonight. I can't recall him actually doing well in a debate. He was never sharp during the primaries. More mud slinging.

Trump has a metric shit ton of ammunition to use tonight and I am afraid he'll stand there, be polite and try not to get accused of being sexist.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 26, 2016 12:45 PM (2PHKP)

498 Clinton is a totally known entity at this point among older voters, and young voters have gotten a quick lesson in Clintonian politics during the primaries.

When her campaign so obviously switched the outcome in Iowa and it became obvious they had pre-wired the DNC, I think she lost the Bernie demographic. They just aren't going to vote in big numbers.

Black voters will turn out, though probably in fewer numbers than in the past two elections, and more will vote Trump than voted Romney. That's obvious. The margin of fraud will determine the outcome in Philadelphia County and that'll probably determine Pennsylvania. Similarly, Denver Democrats are probably trying to figure how many dead voters will need to show up to counter-act the rest of the state.

Posted by: MTF at September 26, 2016 12:47 PM (/m8T6)

499 I agree with this completely.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:43 PM (gmeXX)

Yeah, I think everyone here agrees with us on this.

Of course, the internet isn't a trade/tariff issue. That's just outright ownership. We built it - defense funded (the only sort of government spending that ever pays off). It's ours.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 26, 2016 12:48 PM (zc3Db)

500 Of course, the internet isn't a trade/tariff issue. That's just outright ownership. We built it - defense funded (the only sort of government spending that ever pays off). It's ours.

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What was it that Reagan told Buckley about the Panama Canal.

We built it, we paid for it, its ours.

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

501 Greenspan admitted to a flaw, since banks kinda were cheaters. that applies to "free trade" as well ... all countries are mercantilists, not ideological world peaceniks".

"the long term viability of the corporation depends on its responsibility to the society of which it is part" ... That view changed in the 80's spurred on by Milton Friedmanand others affiliated with the "Chicago school" of free market economists who argued the "only social responsibility of business is to increase its profits"
http://tinyurl.com/z38qlyu

Once that became the case, and policy was set by the highest bidder, we threw America First out the window, and CEOs made their profits in places where they could use slaves and escape pollution standards, even if it built up enemy armies.

Did anything GOOD ever come out of Chicago?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 12:55 PM (n6rAX)

502 Thanks for the link on the RNC GOTV Jack Straw.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 12:57 PM (n6rAX)

503 I hope Trump "behaves" during the debate. In other words, if HRC has an episode, he should look concerned and say "let's get some help here" rather than say "oh man I told you she was an old unhealthy broad".

He seems stuck at 41-42%. He really needs more people, and he needs to show that he's not an asshole most of the time.

OTOH we know that Hillary is corrupt all of the time.

Posted by: Lurker primus at September 26, 2016 12:58 PM (B3qs7)

504 You don't see a free speech issue there?

Posted by: SH at September 26, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)

Honestly, no. Everyone gets to have free speech, and it is within everyone's means. In my opinion, the idea that certain people should be allowed to drown everyone else out with their out-sized donations is more of a danger to free speech than giving everyone an effectively equal voice. Plus, people generally only make those out-sized donations because they want something in return, which is just an invitation to rent-seeking and cronyism.

Which are generally held to be not good. Unless you like being ruled by the oligarchs, of course.

Posted by: HTL at September 26, 2016 01:01 PM (s4eYP)

505

I'm amazed by all the Canadians who post here - you (I presume), AOP, andycanuck, Dirks Strewn, etc. etc. It's a compliment to us that you are that interested in our politics, is the way I look at it. So thank you.

I miss aussie...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at September 26, 2016 01:16 PM (4DCSq)

506 New Monmouth national poll.

Hillary 46
Trump 42

It's over.

Posted by: Birther at September 26, 2016 01:34 PM (ClPes)

507 New CNU poll of Virginia

Hillary 39
Trump 33
Johnson 15

2 way
Hillary 49
Trump 39

Posted by: Birther at September 26, 2016 01:36 PM (ClPes)

508 Anna and Votermom: I'd be interested in an Ace group for Nanowrimo too. I've thought of doing it this year but I'd never sign up. But with people I know (though I post so seldom nobody knows me), it might be a real plus.

Just as an aside: why November? More school holidays than any other month, Thanksgiving to cook for. Has to have been chosen by a young single guy.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at September 26, 2016 01:36 PM (pZEKq)

509 Is it too early to be fully turgid?

Posted by: Afroman at September 26, 2016 01:45 PM (Q3rR2)

510 437 So, during the debate tonight, are Bill Kristol and the rest of the NeverTrumpers going to be doing a Stonehenge thing, sitting in a hotel conference room somewhere sticking pins in their Trump voodoo dolls?

And if so, will there be media coverage of the event?
Posted by: JEM at September 26, 2016 12:19 PM (TppKb)
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Better voodoo doll than me.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 26, 2016 02:07 PM (1iSY8)

511
Did anything GOOD ever come out of Chicago?
Posted by: illiniwek at September 26, 2016 12:55 PM (n6rAX)
*************
Lay's potato chips!

Posted by: Al Capone at September 26, 2016 02:09 PM (1iSY8)

512 You realize there are a far share of educated folks, PhD's and what not, who frequent this here blog, right? I have a PhD and, given the choice between three dimwit liberals, have decided to vote for the one who I view as least corrupt (that would be Gary Johnson).

I don't want any part of your silly class war (I guess this is part of your attempt to learn to play by their rules to "win" - you just adopt their tactics, thinking, ideology and demagoguery into one neat little populist package which, any other year, would be called "being a democrat"). But I'm sure this is the path to sustained future political victories - alienate core conservative supporters with skin in the game because they happen to be highly educated - yes I'm sure of it.

Posted by: m-zero-x at September 26, 2016 02:18 PM (V7KmG)

513 Posted by: m-zero-x at September 26, 2016 02:18 PM (V7KmG)

Give it a rest, ya ponce.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 26, 2016 03:56 PM (oVJmc)

514 Trump loses white college women for several reasons. Some want Hillary as Historic First. Some don't want an Uber Daddy in office. I'd posit that white college women are over-represented in jobs that are dependent on government spending and fear change and expect that a President Hillary will create more of these jobs: e.g health care and education. Illegal Immigration is a factor here.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 26, 2016 12:22 PM (r1fLd)

Or, women are just emotionally unstable, stupid and mostly evil.

Notice that 100% of the time, women as an electoral block vote for the most leftist party or candidate. All. Over. The. World.

Everything wrong with our politics and society can be explained by women's suffrage. Everything.

Posted by: Gramps Smoch at September 26, 2016 04:02 PM (ve8Rs)

515 Female and post graduate college educated "me" is voting for Trump. Please don't lump me in with the Hill voters.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at September 26, 2016 04:29 PM (CmATO)

516 I am afraid of the backlash if Trump pulls out ahead by a significant amount. Who wants to see an old crippled woman with mental issues and serious health problems humiliated at the polls? Other than me and Ace?

Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at September 26, 2016 04:37 PM (Mt8T4)

517 Coumadin = warfarin = rat poison (in the correct dose) so Hillary! is eating rat poison. Approriate.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or great value tibet at September 26, 2016 04:38 PM (U4PcL)

518 Give it a rest, ya ponce.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 26, 2016 03:56 PM (oVJmc)

You're some kind of tough guy then? There is always - always - somebody bigger and stronger out there than you. Polite society means you don't have to find out who is who. I prefer polite society, but I wish you all the best if you decide you prefer to take your life lessons the hard way.

Posted by: m-zero-x at September 26, 2016 04:41 PM (V7KmG)

519 Calling bulldshiat on this. That could be the worst song Townsend ever wrote.

Posted by: Shirley at September 26, 2016 05:31 PM (s60nO)

520 Isn't time we stopped using the term 'college educated'? What proportion of those graduating college are actually educated? 30%?

Surely 'college indoctrinated' is more accurate.

Posted by: Persnickety at September 26, 2016 05:49 PM (j/YTu)

521 Re Trump as a "blithering idiot"? Yeah, such a blithering idiot that he blithered his way past umpteen Republican nominees and won the nomination, which he was supposedly too stoopid to do.

Yeah, right.

We'll see what he'll do if he's elected, but I think we really should retire the insults to the man's intelligence. I'm rooting for him to mop up the floor with the Red Bitch.

Posted by: Beverly at September 26, 2016 06:00 PM (4+aiO)

522 Hey ,

I know Sean is a great dad, a great husband and he sells the shit out of product to take care of his family.

You wanna white knight for little miss butch hair?

Go for it.

Posted by: Mortimer: deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:01 PM (zu88C)

523
Or, women are just emotionally unstable, stupid and mostly evil.

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Meggyyn Kelly in a nutshell.

Posted by: Mortimer: deplorable at September 26, 2016 11:02 PM (zu88C)

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