Girl 27: The Case Against Hollywood Is An Old One [MP4]

As a diversion from the pending "Fat Man On White Ottoman; Part Deux," we have an interesting article about early Hollywood, which exposes the roots of its current misogyny, lawlessness and arrogance.

From esteemed commenter and Hollywood scholar MP4

Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.

In the “Golden Age” of movies, no studio was richer or more powerful than MGM. “They owned everyone – the D.A., the L.A.P.D. They ran this place,” recalled Budd Schulberg, author of the 1941 novel What Makes Sammy Run? and himself the son of Hollywood mogul B.P. Schulberg. Between the heavy power of studio “fixer” Eddie Mannix (reputed to be responsible for the death of “Superman” George Reeves) and publicity chief Howard Strickling, there was, practically speaking, no crime a Metro star – or valued associate - couldn’t commit, from Clark Gable’s drunk-driving homicide to the brutal rape of a young dancer in 1937.

Patricia Douglas, a Missouri girl, was the daughter of an ambitious mother who longed to design high couture dresses for Hollywood stars, but never got closer than gowns for expensive call girls. A convent school dropout at 14, Douglas had no desire to be in the movies at all, though that didn’t stop her from being a popular bit of innocent arm candy for stars as varied as crooner Bing Crosby to tough guy George Raft to frizzy-haired Stooge Larry Fine, a hep-stepper who taught her every hot dance move he knew. She finally ended up in front of the camera, “just for something to do” and became a fairly well-regarded dancer, good at learning complicated routines and teaching them to other chorus girls. So when she was told about a casting call at the Hal Roach studio in Culver City on May 2, 1937, she ambled on over.

Along with over a hundred other girls, Douglas was kitted out as the Tinseltown version of a cowgirl, in a felt Stetson, suede skirt and black boots. Once dressed, she and the others were herded on to buses, driven out to a remote barn several miles away, plopped down at tables and told to wait. The easygoing Douglas simply bided her time, though the more streetwise girls were puzzled by the fact that, though there was an orchestra, bar and food, this “casting call” set had no lights, no cameras and no crew. Of course, it wasn’t a casting call. It was the culmination of a three-day convention of sales executives hosted by MGM; the stag party at the barn was a “Wild West Show” where the attendees could eat, drink, smoke and make whoopee with pretty girls.

Douglas ended up at the table of David Ross, a pudgy 36-year old sales rep from Chicago. He latched on to Douglas, pestering her to teach him to “truck” and constantly trying, as the dancer recalled, to cop a feel. She escaped him briefly by ducking into the ladies’ room, but it was only a short respite. When she came back out, two other salesmen, both high as kites, demanded she drink some of the champagne or scotch that was flowing freely. When Douglas refused, one of the men swilled the two drinks together in a glass and poured it down her throat while the other held her nose and forced her to swallow. Choking and gagging, Douglas stumbled outside to vomit, followed by the drunken, horny Ross.

As Douglas later told it, Ross proceeded to rape her, slapping her across the face to keep her from passing out, while muttering the chillingly cryptic “I want to destroy you.” Finally, around 11.30pm, he finished and ran away as Douglas stumbled towards a parking attendant, who got her transported to a local hospital where Dr Edward Lindquist – ‘family doctor’ to MGM – administered a cold-water douche that removed all forensic evidence.

Two days later, bruised and sore, her face swollen, Douglas returned to the Roach studio to tell her story, hoping to protect other girls from suffering the same fate. Rather than taking a statement or filing a police report, the studio simply gave Douglas $7.50: her fee for the day’s appearance.

Douglas was utterly alone. Roach wanted her gone. MGM wanted her silent. And mother Douglas had no sympathy at all. So it took an immense amount of bravery for the young dancer to do what she did next – approach L.A. district attorney Buron Fitts to swear out a rape charge against Ross. It was a bad choice. Fitts was, for all intents and purposes, a wholly-owned subsidiary of MGM; he called boss Louis B. Mayer a close friend, and the studio had contributed heavily to his reelection campaign. Fitts sat on Douglas’ complaint, hoping the whole mess would just go away. But Douglas refused to let it die. Seeing no action from the DA’s office, she went to the newspapers and laid out the whole sordid story.

Now MGM sprang into action. As Douglas’ story of studio-sanctioned rape swept Jean Harlow and the Duchess of Windsor off the front pages, Mayer hired the Pinkerton Detective Agency to track down as many people as they could find from the “Wild West” party, either threatening them or bribing them into spouting MGM’s version of events – which was, as it turned out, that Douglas was an unrepentant, sex-crazy alcoholic who was propositioning men all night.

When, after weeks of maneuvering, David Ross was finally brought face-to-face with Patricia Douglas before a grand jury in the Hall of Justice, blistering cross-examination from Ross’ lawyer and perjured testimony from Roach parking lot attendant Clement Soth ensured that the outcome was to MGMs advantage: Ross was not indicted and got away scot-free, dying of rectal cancer in 1962. Soth, for his part, was rewarded by a lifetime job as a “driver” with the studio.

Now, Douglas announced she was going to sue MGM itself, naming Eddie Mannix and Hal Roach for “unlawful conspiracy to defile, debauch and seduce” her and the other girls bussed out to the Culver City ranch. Her lawyer was a man named William Brown, who had designs on the district attorney’s office. Unfortunately, Brown quickly realized that, to defeat DA Fitts, he would need the support of MGM and he would never get that if he were to represent Douglas. And so he simply wrote the dancer off, failing repeatedly to appear in court until the case was dismissed “for want of prosecution.” It then seems somewhat fitting that Brown was punished for leaving Patricia Douglas out to dry; he lost his electoral joust with Fitts in 1940.

As for Douglas, her life was ruined. No studio would hire her. Not that it mattered; the former happy-go-lucky dancer was a broken woman – “It took away all my confidence” – who wanted nothing to do with Hollywood. She married several times, but hated each relationship. She gave birth to a daughter, but neither had any closeness to the other. “I’ve never been in love,” she later admitted, adding that she never knew what it was like to be loved.

In 1993, Vanity Fair writer David Stenn, who was looking for a new subject after writing what he considered the definitive article on the death of Jean Harlow, decided to tackle the Douglas case, eventually producing the April 2003 piece It Happened One Night. . .at MGM. He even tracked down Douglas, an 86-year old woman “housebound by glaucoma, emphysema and fear.” Self-loathing to a pathologic degree, Douglas’ interview with Stenn was a shaft of sunlight into her darkened soul. She pronounced herself happy with the article and, when Stenn called her in November of that year to read her some of the sympathetic letters his piece had generated, she told him, “Thank you. I can go now.”

She died the next day, November 11.

In 2007, Stenn debuted a documentary about the Douglas case: Girl 27.

Here’s a link to Stenn’s piece

And a wiki link to Girl 27

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:53 AM

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1 Oh my God, how utterly sad. I'm glad she found her peace at the end but to say that she has never experienced love even after having a child, is devastating.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 09:56 AM (vBpiM)

2 Hollywood is The Worst.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 09:56 AM (9krrF)

3 Seriously, if you ever wonder why I wouldn't week if Hollywood swallowed a Nork package of bottled sunshine, shit like this is why.

Suck for any innocents left in the area, but as the man says, deserve's got nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 09:58 AM (9krrF)

4 And I've just been reading about what a swell guy Roach was due to his exemplary and utterly colorblind treatment of black actors.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 28, 2016 09:58 AM (WlGX+)

5 Congrats, MP4. Nice to see a posting by you.

Posted by: HH at September 28, 2016 10:01 AM (DrCtv)

6 Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

Posted by: ALH at September 28, 2016 10:03 AM (uLuPn)

7 The television show "The Munsters" was a parody of the weird counter culture Hollywood types that moved into California. Like the wacky liberals and counter culture types of the 1960s, the Munster family was unable to see how weird and ugly they were. They challenged the Jack Webb "Dragnet" values of California and thought normal people were weird, especially in their reaction to the Munsters.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 28, 2016 10:03 AM (DVMp8)

8
Anyone else get visions of the modern-day Bryan Singer homo orgy parties that were in the news about a year ago?

Plus ca change, and all that shit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:05 AM (Twghx)

9 Anybody who works in that sewer and remains uncorrupted is an exceptionally strong personality.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 28, 2016 10:05 AM (u0lmX)

10 Excellent piece, MP4. This is why, well this sort of thing, because I had never heard this one until today, I CHOOSE to believe every sordid story I hear about Hollowwood.

Every one. Every gay actor, I believe, is a debauched, closeted, self-loathing pervert. Every producer, director, writer, every hanger-on who works with children, I believe is either wanting to, or is indeed, having sex with the children who circulate in their world.

Every story about an actor who is on drugs, I believe it. Or was found with a dead hooker, I believe it. Every actress who got her job giving blow jobs to the handful of heterosexual power brokers in town, I believe them to be the whores they are.

I believe these things, knowing some of it is utterly false, but NOT one of them deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt.

Not one.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2016 10:05 AM (TOk1P)

11 Hollywood doing what Hollywood does best....using people up and then throwing them away.

But, they care SO much. They have a capacity for caring that is far beyond that of any mortal. At least, they tell us that all the time.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 28, 2016 10:05 AM (vg8iE)

12 An interesting read. Thanks for the historical look at this.

What have we learned? Mankind doesn't change.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 28, 2016 10:05 AM (voOPb)

13 Culver City?

isn't there a famous former software developer, photographer, bicyclist and Jazz player who lives out that way?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 28, 2016 10:06 AM (J+eG2)

14 Girl 27, L.A. Confidential, and Chinatown; reasons the place makes Mos Eisley seem like Paradise.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 10:06 AM (fsQtk)

15 So Hollywood was Democrat even back then. No surprise.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at September 28, 2016 10:06 AM (r65B3)

16 Anyone else get visions of the modern-day Bryan Singer homo orgy parties that were in the news about a year ago?

Plus ca change, and all that shit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:05 AM (Twghx)

Correction: Bryan Singer's underaged homo sex orgies.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2016 10:07 AM (TOk1P)

17 It's no different today, except that the lefties in charge preach moral sermons between raping kids.

Posted by: ejo at September 28, 2016 10:07 AM (il4FI)

18 Seriously, if you ever wonder why I wouldn't week if Hollywood swallowed a Nork package of bottled sunshine, shit like this is why.

Suck for any innocents left in the area, but as the man says, deserve's got nothing to do with it.

Yeah. Wow. I need a shower just for reading that.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:08 AM (ApT0U)

19 There's a reason why actors/Hollywood types were thought of as the lowest of low for decades.

Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 10:08 AM (Enq6K)

20 my father's cousin.....and his best friend......left for hollywood in the early 40's....he never knew what happened to her....but it was always thought something bad......no one talked about it......very sad

Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 28, 2016 10:09 AM (0O7c5)

21 Then there is that other Hollywood murder mystery that should be as well known as the Black Dahlia case. That of a woman who somehow was found dead on the landmark HOLLYWOOD sign.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 10:09 AM (fsQtk)

22 All I see is a reminder of the 'left coast' Emmanuel brother who runs the most powerful agency in the business. The 'east coast' Emmanuel brother (a/k/a Dr Death) has done his job with health care. The 'midwest' Emmanuel brother is doing his best to remove all reality from Chicago.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 10:09 AM (MIKMs)

23 I would like the one remaining Corey to name names. Evidently, both were horribly abused by Hollywood pedophiles.

Posted by: Seems legit at September 28, 2016 10:09 AM (U+nHb)

24 Actors and theater people were once society's outcasts. From Roman times up until the 20th century nobody expected them to be exemplars of moral living. It used to be commonplace to point out that an actor had shot Lincoln.

Hollywood changed all that. When stars became fabulously rich and powerful they did not become more moral - they just got the idea that their fame and money entitled them to lecture people.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 28, 2016 10:10 AM (u0lmX)

25 And from what I here now managing to escape out of Whoreywood it is no better now. Especially for child actors who are being accosted by homosexual predators who control Whoreywod now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 10:10 AM (mpXpK)

26
Now MGM sprang into action. As Douglas' story of studio-sanctioned rape swept Jean Harlow and the Duchess of Windsor off the front pages, Mayer hired the Pinkerton Detective Agency to track down as many people as they could find from the "Wild West" party, either threatening them or bribing them into spouting MGM's version of events -- which was, as it turned out, that Douglas was an unrepentant, sex-crazy alcoholic who was propositioning men all night.

This can't help but recall for me: what happened to all the others who were in Benghazi and have been absent from any public revelations of The Shrillster's greatest hit?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:10 AM (BK3ZS)

27 Reading this, I'm reminded of the life story of Frances Farmer, a starlet who's life ended tragically too.
Different details, but also one who was a Hollywood discard.
Very tragic lives.

Posted by: tubal at September 28, 2016 10:11 AM (d6TTt)

28 I would like the one remaining Corey to name names. Evidently, both were horribly abused by Hollywood pedophiles.

Posted by: Seems legit at September 28, 2016 10:09 AM (U+nHb)

You can understand why he doesn't. I am virtually certain he has had his life threatened. Not just sorta hinted at threatened, but straight up told, if you talk, we will kill you.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2016 10:12 AM (TOk1P)

29 It also wouldn't surprise me if Big News Media was exactly the same way.

I can imagine Katie Couric and a lot of the others getting where they are (were) via the casting couch.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 28, 2016 10:12 AM (vg8iE)

30 When discussing greedy, evil corporations that place profits before people, always start with Hollywood.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at September 28, 2016 10:13 AM (BWL+E)

31
Excellent post MP4. It would be great to see you do more of them.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:13 AM (BK3ZS)

32 15
So Hollywood was Democrat even back then. No surprise.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at September 28, 2016 10:06 AM (r65B3)

That's what I was thinking. It then occurred to me that their whole "teach men not to rape" comes from their own twisted set. When morality is relative and self serving, that statement isn't all that far off.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 28, 2016 10:15 AM (09Ay7)

33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tckqj1wrwlQ

Posted by: DaveA at September 28, 2016 10:15 AM (8J/Te)

34 All I can say is, Washington DC is the new Hollywood.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:15 AM (7ZVPa)

35 Good post, MP4.

Who knows Girl 27 may have been one of the luckier used and abused by Hollywood.

I wonder how many Hollywood "problems" have ended with the phrase-

"The desert tells no tales."

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2016 10:15 AM (0cMkb)

36 It also wouldn't surprise me if Big News Media was exactly the same way.

I can imagine Katie Couric and a lot of the others getting where they are (were) via the casting couch.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 28, 2016 10:12 AM (vg8iE)

I always figured the movie, To Die For, was more documentary than fiction.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2016 10:16 AM (TOk1P)

37 15 So Hollywood was Democrat even back then. No surprise.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at September 28, 2016 10:06 AM (r65B3)

However, in the 30's and 40's and '50's there were also famous stars who were Republican and conservative - like Barbara Stanwyck and Reagan (although Reagan started out as a Dem)

And the immigrant movie moguls - many from very poor Eastern European Jewish backgrounds - did feel gratitude to America for the opportunity this country had given them.

Dem and anti-American were not equivalent in those days.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 28, 2016 10:17 AM (u0lmX)

38 What a tragic tale. Some things never change, though.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:17 AM (0mRoj)

39 All I can say is, Washington DC is the new Hollywood.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:15 AM (7ZVPa)

Washington is Hollywood for ugly people. Hollywood is Washington for stupid people.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at September 28, 2016 10:18 AM (BWL+E)

40 I can imagine Katie Couric and a lot of the others getting where they are (were) via the casting couch.

*****

Barbara Walters certainly did. She added congressmen, poltical figures, etc.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 28, 2016 10:19 AM (09Ay7)

41 Wow. "LA Confidential" was not that far off.

>>Anyone else get visions of the modern-day Bryan Singer homo orgy parties that were in the news about a year ago?

Yes. Serious depravity in Hollywood. Also, some new details recently came out about how Michael Jackson got assistance securing young boys to diddle. Did not read it - didn't want to know.

Oh, and Hillary thinks *we* are deplorable while happily taking their money.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 10:19 AM (NOIQH)

42 Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary.

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 10:19 AM (fA75F)

43 Washington is Hollywood for ugly people. Hollywood is Washington for stupid people.

Ummm...

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Shultz at September 28, 2016 10:20 AM (87y4e)

44 Hollywood is an aristocracy, with the studio heads and the rich and famous stars on top of the food chain. They can treat the peasants any way they wish.

That's why most are so comfortable with the Dems.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 28, 2016 10:20 AM (u0lmX)

45 It is a wonder that many of those unfortunate young women who went to Whoreywood didn't wind up like Peggy Enwistle who jumped to her death from the "H" in the infamous sign in 1932.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 10:20 AM (mpXpK)

46 42 Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary.
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 10:19 AM (fA75F)

Roman Polanski's most well-known victim Ms. Gailey, for example.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:20 AM (0mRoj)

47 Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary. Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 10:19 AM (fA75F)
=====

Lewinsky.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 10:20 AM (MIKMs)

48 This seems to tie in well with the Claremont article in the sidebar.

Posted by: someoldguy at September 28, 2016 10:21 AM (9ZV4k)

49 ISTR that Robert Montgomery (Samantha's father, for you whippersnappers) and Adolphe Menjou were the conservative in-crowd in the late 30's. "You'll never work in this town again" is not from the Hollywood Ten era, but was said to a conservative by a film union boss.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 28, 2016 10:21 AM (H5rtT)

50 Unable to find even one person to take her side. Must be what it feels like to be a victim in Rotherham or Cologne.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 10:21 AM (iFgwk)

51 Yes. Serious depravity in Hollywood. Also, some new details recently came out about how Michael Jackson got assistance securing young boys to diddle. Did not read it - didn't want to know.

Oh, and Hillary thinks *we* are deplorable while happily taking their money.

And people wonder why I am ok with an ugly, hot national divorce if need be.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:22 AM (ApT0U)

52 Well done MPPPPPPP. (I know how to spell it, I just don't know when to stop)

Sad tale with just a hint of, maybe not justice, but a smidgeon of retribution in the end. It apparently was enough in the final analysis that somebody believed her story and acknowledged her life-long pain.

It always amazes me when people hang on to life until a seminal event and then "let go". My dad, with terminal prostate cancer hung in until his birthday and died the following day at 85.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 28, 2016 10:22 AM (wPiJc)

53 Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary.
Posted by: steevy

Gavin Arvizo.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 10:22 AM (iFgwk)

54 Great article to read. Thanks MPPP

Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2016 10:23 AM (LISuA)

55 Interesting how this mentality takes over everywhere that a ruling class is allowed to continually remain in power.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:23 AM (7ZVPa)

56
Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?

The only ones I can think of are the ones who did one and only one movie and then walked away to become something other than an actor. The kid in The Shining comes to mind.

Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney are perfect standing for those who did not, and not coincidentally, they were products of the MGM Studio system.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:24 AM (BK3ZS)

57 55 Interesting how this mentality takes over everywhere that a ruling class is allowed to continually remain in power.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:23 AM (7ZVPa)

Decadence and perversion seem to be the inevitable end result.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:24 AM (0mRoj)

58 Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?
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Actually, I think Shirley Temple Black managed that feat.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 10:25 AM (MIKMs)

59 She was young...she was beautiful...she was the greatest piece I ever had, and I had 'em all over the world....and then Johnny Fontaine came along with his olive oil looks and guinea charm.

Posted by: Jack Woltz at September 28, 2016 10:25 AM (hqZPQ)

60 It apparently was enough in the final analysis that somebody believed her story and acknowledged her life-long pain.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 28, 2016 10:22 AM (wPiJc)

I think this is exactly it.

She was dismissed as a nothing...beneath contempt. That she was finally seen as a human being with human emotions and feelings must have been a huge relief.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2016 10:25 AM (Zu3d9)

61 Interesting how this mentality takes over everywhere that a ruling class is allowed to continually remain in power.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:23 AM (7ZVPa)

Decadence and perversion seem to be the inevitable end result.
Posted by: Insomniac

That's what happens when there is no check on power.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:26 AM (ApT0U)

62 Weren't there allegations that director Bryan Singer molested boys? The culture is the same, but they've added in some letters of alternative sexualities.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 10:26 AM (iFgwk)

63 I've never seen the big draw toward people who "pretend" well.

Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 28, 2016 10:26 AM (09Ay7)

64 56

Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?

The only ones I can think of are the ones who did one and only one
movie and then walked away to become something other than an actor. The
kid in The Shining comes to mind.

Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney are perfect standing for those who
did not, and not coincidentally, they were products of the MGM Studio
system.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:24 AM (BK3ZS)

When Walt Disney was alive the child stars he had came out OK because he he protected them closely. He probably knew what a depraved town Whoreywood was then and took care of them.
But since he has gone on to Mickey Mouse in the sky I would not guarantee that now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 10:26 AM (mpXpK)

65 AAAGGGHHH!!! AAAAGGGGHHHH!!! AAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!

Posted by: Jack Woltz at September 28, 2016 10:26 AM (hqZPQ)

66 Budd Schulberg wrote "On The Waterfront" and "A Face in The Crowd."
The guy was a one-man fifth column against this tyranny. A Contender.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 28, 2016 10:27 AM (H5rtT)

67
59 She was young...she was beautiful...she was the greatest piece I ever had, and I had 'em all over the world....and then Johnny Fontaine came along with his olive oil looks and guinea charm.
Posted by: Jack Woltz at September 28, 2016 10:25 AM (hqZPQ)

Remember, too, that he had a young starlet that he was abusing who was seen by Tom Haden before and after the assault. And Momma shooed her away from the stairway.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:27 AM (BK3ZS)

68 This seems to tie in well with the Claremont article in the sidebar.

Thanks for mentioning this. I hadn't seen that ArthurK posted it and was about to sidebar that article myself.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 28, 2016 10:29 AM (Ga9pP)

69 Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?
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Actually, I think Shirley Temple Black managed that feat.

George Spanky McFarland - who, btw, was a Hal Roach alumni.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:29 AM (ApT0U)

70 The only thing missing from this story is immunity deals for all the major players.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:29 AM (7ZVPa)

71 >>Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary.

There are all kinds of rumors on gossip blogs about child stars on Disney and Nick being used (Bing Jeanette McCurdy - iCarly actress who 'dated' a druggie show staffer in his 30's).

I think these child actresses like Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Amanda Bynes have such hideous breakdowns because they've been abused for years.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 10:29 AM (NOIQH)

72 AAAGGGHHH!!! AAAAGGGGHHHH!!! AAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!

Posted by: Jack Woltz

*mild shrug*

Posted by: Don Corleone at September 28, 2016 10:29 AM (87y4e)

73 So, then Corey Haim and Corey Feldman were Boy 35973 and Boy 35974?

Posted by: Roy at September 28, 2016 10:29 AM (VndSC)

74 The only thing missing from this story is immunity deals for all the major players.

#twoweeks!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:30 AM (ApT0U)

75
Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?

The only ones I can think of are the ones who did one and only one movie and then walked away to become something other than an actor. The kid in The Shining comes to mind.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:24 AM (BK3ZS)

Carrie Henn from Aliens, who became a schoolteacher in Central California.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:30 AM (Twghx)

76 Mario Puzo covered the whole episode with Jack Woltz and the girl. IIRC this is what made Don Corleone give him his present.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 28, 2016 10:31 AM (hqZPQ)

77
Carrie Henn from Aliens, who became a schoolteacher in Central California.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:30 AM (Twghx)

One and done, right?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:31 AM (BK3ZS)

78 Then there is that other Hollywood murder mystery that should be as well known as the Black Dahlia case. That of a woman who somehow was found dead on the landmark HOLLYWOOD sign.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 10:09 AM (fsQtk)

Peg Entwistle. Most likely a suicide, though murder has been suggested.

If CBD will let me write another post, I'll write about that one. BTW, a big shout out to CBD; this was just going to be a morning post until he promoted it to the main page.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 10:31 AM (X6fMO)

79 >>>Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?

Kurt "call me Snake" Russell?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:31 AM (QVVXM)

80 Good thing the music industry isn't as bad as Hollywood.

Posted by: Zombie Michael Jackson at September 28, 2016 10:32 AM (VndSC)

81 *looks at Scrivener word count and wonders what the final count will be for today*

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 10:32 AM (fsQtk)

82 It isn't true Clark Gable killed anyone in a drunken driving incident.That story evolved from a Walter Huston incident (in which Huston was found not guilty) and found it's way into one of those 'unauthorized biography' sensationalist celebrity books with Gable, not Huston,as the culprit.

No question Clark Gable lived hard and drank too much but he was, according to all who knew him, agenuinely kind anddecent guy.

Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2016 10:32 AM (OGbEB)

83 >>When Walt Disney was alive the child stars he had came out OK because he
he protected them closely. He probably knew what a depraved town
Whoreywood was then and took care of them.

Kurt Russell came out fine!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 10:33 AM (NOIQH)

84 Carrie Henn from Aliens, who became a schoolteacher in Central California.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:30 AM (Twghx)

One and done, right?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:31 AM (BK3ZS)

Yup.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:33 AM (Twghx)

85
Kurt "call me Snake" Russell?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:31 AM (QVVXM)

He's one, and Disney.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:33 AM (BK3ZS)

86 You know how many mares I was gonna bang?

No respect I tellz ya.

Posted by: Khartoum at September 28, 2016 10:33 AM (87y4e)

87 And Rick "don't fucking call me Ricky" Schroeder?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:33 AM (QVVXM)

88 Probably the most direct evidence that the Clintons have had people killed are the "M" murders. While Bill was in the White House a story broke that an Intern called "M" was about to come forward with allegations of wrong doing in the White House. The person who wrote that, and two White House Interns with their last names starting with "M" were all murdered in a couple of weeks. The Monica Lewinsky came forward.

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 10:33 AM (DjRJ+)

89 Jason Bateman came out fine.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 10:34 AM (NOIQH)

90 You could probably write the same story about 1000 D.C. Interns.

Posted by: A Blinkin at September 28, 2016 10:36 AM (ucKOk)

91 Probably the most direct evidence that the Clintons have had people killed are the "M" murders. While Bill was in the White House a story broke that an Intern called "M" was about to come forward with allegations of wrong doing in the White House.

The person who wrote that, and two White House Interns with their last names starting with "M" were all murdered in a couple of weeks. The Monica Lewinsky came forward.

Oops!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:36 AM (ApT0U)

92 Anthony Michael "I was the original Rusty" Hall?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:37 AM (QVVXM)

93 Why kill interns that might talk when they could kill THE intern that blew him?

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 10:38 AM (fA75F)

94 What a tragic story.

Also, the McCarthy hearings didn't go far enough. What a cesspool Hollywood still is.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:39 AM (1ZOkK)

95 And these executives produce a steady stream of movies in which people who act like them would be creeps and villains, and they are OK with that discrepency. They must be sociopaths.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 10:40 AM (iFgwk)

96 Why kill interns that might talk when they could kill THE intern that blew him?

Because, as usual, the ineptness caused them to focus on the wrong "M". Not the last name, but the first name.

Problem was, by then, they'd splashed two bogeys and a third would be extremely obvious.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 10:42 AM (ApT0U)

97 Intern called "M" was about to come forward with allegations of wrong doing in the White House.

The person who wrote that, and two White House Interns with their last names starting with "M" were all murdered in a couple of weeks. The Monica Lewinsky came forward.

Oops!
Posted by: rickb223

Names?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 28, 2016 10:42 AM (326rv)

98 >>Anthony Michael "I was the original Rusty" Hall?

I recall Molly Ringwald saying that John Hughes filmed "The Breakfast Club" (and maybe other movies) in Chicago to get the kids out of Hollywood. He was so leery of Hollywood he eventually left the business to raise his family outside of that cesspit.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 10:42 AM (NOIQH)

99 "The only rules that really matter are these: What a man can do and what a man can't do."

-- Jack Sparrow

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2016 10:42 AM (cJswI)

100 And for the unjaded, Hollywood is as bad now as it was back then. Someday someone will slip info on the rumored pedophile ring that exists today.

Thoroughly amazes me that there are people out there who idolize Hollywood, consider them our betters who can do no wrong.

Me? They are nothing more than stage actors. Most of them hypocritical creatures who if nothing else, put their pants on the same way I do.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2016 10:43 AM (jxbfJ)

101
Why kill interns that might talk when they could kill THE intern that blew him?

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 10:38 AM (fA75F)

Because Bill's abuse of interns was rampant? If they killed them all it would look like the purging of the SA on the Night of the Long Knives in '34.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:43 AM (Twghx)

102 Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary.
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 10:19 AM (fA75F)

Roman Polanski's most well-known victim Ms. Gailey, for example.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:20 AM (0mRoj)

Some reading between the lines is necessary, and it's ugly. Her mother was aware the girl was left alone for a period of time, and only AFTER did she support her daughter's story.

One of Polanski's statements in his defense, as horrible as it sounds, is that he could "tell" she knew what she was doing, and was willing, when he went to perform oral sex on her.

Remember, this girl was 13 at that time. Yes, she probably HAD been somewhat prepared for this. And may even have agreed... BUT SHE WAS 13!!! That's the WHOLE point, when it comes to the concept of "informed consent." 13 year olds are unable to understand the totality of what they are agreeing to, so WE have to protect them, at times, from their own poor decisions.

Her mother didn't figure that out until after the fact, Polanski sure didn't, and the rest of Hollowwood, defends him to this day, because the whole damn town has no clue. Which is the very definition of evil.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2016 10:44 AM (TOk1P)

103 White Helmets Syrian rescue filmmakers on Fox right now.

It's on Netflix, and looks incredibly tough to watch.

Obama has the blood of thousands on his prissy hands.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:44 AM (1ZOkK)

104 Well at least Ross died of rectal cancer....I suppose, in some small way, that's some sort of vengeance.

Posted by: Tami - Powering through being a Deplorable. at September 28, 2016 10:44 AM (Enq6K)

105 Bret Easton Ellis podcast talked about the movie Bully two days ago. The alarming wildness and drugs is ugly.

http://podcastone.com/Bret-Easton-Ellis-Podcast

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 28, 2016 10:44 AM (VdICR)

106 It isn't true Clark Gable killed anyone in a drunken driving incident.That story evolved from a Walter Huston incident (in which Huston was found not guilty) and found it's way into one of those 'unauthorized biography' sensationalist celebrity books with Gable, not Huston,as the culprit.

Hmm. I was fairly certain it was Gable. Now I'll have to dig back into my library to confirm or deny it. Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 10:44 AM (X6fMO)

107
Why kill interns that might talk when they could kill THE intern that blew him?

What do you mean THE?

There was so much going on in the Clinton White House they didn't know which intern with which wrong doing. Like the Terminator in the original film they were just being methodical. Hillary was probably contracting the hits and I doubt Bill told her about Monica.

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (DjRJ+)

108
Anthony Michael "I was the original Rusty" Hall?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:37 AM (QVVXM)

Pretty sure he had a nasty bout with drug/alcohol abuse before pulling out of the death spiral.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (Twghx)

109 The art thread is fun, but this is a great diversion. I think we should have these periodically.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (7ZVPa)

110 The Lost Boys, a metaphor for Hollywood?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (fsQtk)

111 >>Jason Bateman came out fine.

Whatever happened to Justine Bateman?

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (J82wy)

112 So, Roman Polanski is living in France (?) to avoid prosecution, and Anthony Weiner may or may not be brought up on charges for Skyping and sexting and underage girl. Anyone have any doubt he would have had sex with her given the opportunity? Scum.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:47 AM (1ZOkK)

113 ........Wow.

Posted by: T at September 28, 2016 10:48 AM (IKdzI)

114 You said "rape" twice?

I like rape.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 10:48 AM (0dXaM)

115 >>Anyone have any doubt he would have had sex with her given the opportunity? Scum.

Bill Clinton: *10* trips to Epstein's Pedo Island, *5* of which were without his SS escort.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 10:49 AM (NOIQH)

116 I believe Snorky had a cocaine problem. He suffered a deviated trunk.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 28, 2016 10:49 AM (hqZPQ)

117 Hmm. I was fairly certain it was Gable. Now I'll have to dig back into my library to confirm or deny it. Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 10:44 AM (X6fMO)

My mother (still alive) adores Clark Gable. And Elvis.

Combined, those two make for strange influences.

Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2016 10:50 AM (OGbEB)

118
Heh. Somewhat related, Drudge has this up.

Panic, Anxiety Spark Rush for Luxury Bunkers Among the Super-Rich

http://tinyurl.com/hwkvg8f

Check out the floor plan of the bunker in the article, it's hilarious. Pool, game room, multiple bedrooms for up to 20 people, bowling alley, indoor shooting range......and a food/supplies storage space the size of a typical walk-in closet.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:53 AM (Twghx)

119 The only ones I can think of are the ones who did one and only one movie and then walked away to become something other than an actor. The kid in The Shining comes to mind.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2016 10:24 AM (BK3ZS)

Also the little girl who played Newt in Aliens. That was her only movie. I think she's a schoolteacher somewhere now.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 28, 2016 10:53 AM (+WNB7)

120
There was so much going on in the Clinton White
House they didn't know which intern with which wrong doing. Like the
Terminator in the original film they were just being methodical. Hillary
was probably contracting the hits and I doubt Bill told her about
Monica. Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (DjRJ+)
=====

My own take is something like Henry II 'will no one rid me of this troublesome priest' so overenthusiastic bootlickers made sure that the troublesome ones were neutralized -- and nobody would miss them.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 10:54 AM (MIKMs)

121 Eddie Mannix (reputed to be responsible for the death of "Superman" George Reeves)

Mannix killed Superman? How does a PI kill the Man of Steel?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 10:54 AM (493sH)

122 My mother (still alive) adores Clark Gable. And Elvis.

Combined, those two make for strange influences.

Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2016 10:50 AM (OGbEB)

I've always liked Gable and Elvis. Two "kings," the likes of which we will never see again.

Carole Lombard adored Gable, too, though she was a little diffident about his masculine attributes. "If Clark were one inch shorter, he'd be the Queen of Hollywood," she once quipped.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 10:55 AM (X6fMO)

123 http://tinyurl.com/hwkvg8f

Check out the floor plan of the bunker in the article, it's
hilarious. Pool, game room, multiple bedrooms for up to 20 people,
bowling alley, indoor shooting range......and a food/supplies storage
space the size of a typical walk-in closet.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:53 AM (Twghx)

Sounds like a moron's dream. Alextopia, perhaps?

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:55 AM (1ZOkK)

124 Jason Bateman came out fine.

Whatever happened to Justine Bateman?

Ever see them in the same room together?

Posted by: Lady Jenner at September 28, 2016 10:56 AM (XkVXQ)

125 Ill Tempered Cur, the usual more money than brains crew.

Just means those who are really ready will be picking their bones in about three months after the bovine excrement has hit the oscillating unit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 10:56 AM (fsQtk)

126 Well, this is just great. Police in a town near us are looking for a guy for aggravated child molestation.

Alberto Trujillo "may" have fled back home to Mexico.

Open borders, what can't they do?

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 10:57 AM (1ZOkK)

127 >>>Pretty sure he had a nasty bout with drug/alcohol abuse before pulling out of the death spiral.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (Twghx)

Think it was just alcohol. Nasty is a relative term when it comes to celebrity substance abuse. For the SNL crowd, AMH was a piker.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:58 AM (QVVXM)

128 Hillary plays the role of Louis B. Mayer in the modern version of this story.

Posted by: Decaf at September 28, 2016 10:58 AM (8zHLN)

129
127 >>>Pretty sure he had a nasty bout with drug/alcohol abuse before pulling out of the death spiral.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:46 AM (Twghx)

Think it was just alcohol. Nasty is a relative term when it comes to celebrity substance abuse. For the SNL crowd, AMH was a piker.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 10:58 AM (QVVXM)

Good point.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:58 AM (Twghx)

130 Fatty Arbuckle was framed!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 28, 2016 10:59 AM (QQ+il)

131 Panic, Anxiety Spark Rush for Luxury Bunkers Among the Super-Rich

When Trump wins, we Purge.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (ApT0U)

132 Hillary plays the role of Louis B. Mayer in the modern version of this story.

When Mayer was starting out in the movie business, he ran a small nickelodeon in Haverhill, MA called "The Gem," which was such a rat-trap, locals called it "The Germ."

I can walk from my house to Mayer's house in about half an hour.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (X6fMO)

133 They recently made a movie with Ben Affleck as George Reeves".Reeves" suicide was certainly odd.

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (fA75F)

134 They had hounded Fatty Arbuckle out of Hollywood in the 20s.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (hqZPQ)

135 Meant to put the quotes around suicide LOL.

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (fA75F)

136 These three stories all on one page of the local paper today (thanks, AP):

"Trump blames others after combative debate with Clinton"

"Many women say Trump showed too much testosterone"

and

"Miss Universe dubbed 'Miss Piggy' by Trump a topic at debate"

The AP hauling the Beast's water as usual.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (1ZOkK)

137 Check out the floor plan of the bunker in the article, it's hilarious. Pool, game room, multiple bedrooms for up to 20 people, bowling alley, indoor shooting range......and a food/supplies storage space the size of a typical walk-in closet.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:53 AM (Twghx)

It's all hilarious. You say 'bunker'. I say 'poorly executed fixed position filled with goodies and guarded by idiots'.

Posted by: Lord Humungus, Ayatollah Of RocknRolla at September 28, 2016 11:01 AM (OGbEB)

138 Plenty of people willingly pimp out their kids,their daughters,themselves.Coercion probably is mostly unnecessary.

Posted by: steevy

Yeah, what the hell kind of parent let their children sleep over at Michael Jackson's house??

The mind boggles.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 28, 2016 11:02 AM (+WNB7)

139 Fatty Arbuckle was framed!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 28, 2016 10:59 AM (QQ+il)

Yes, he was. Without a doubt. Due to collusion between Adolph Zukor, head of Paramount and SF DA Matthew Brady.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 11:02 AM (X6fMO)

140 Corey Haim and Corey Feldman I don't remember which one hinted that it was a gay Record company owner that's a billionaire and it's been said that he would destroy them with Lawyers if they spoke. If he speaks out he is ruined.

Posted by: Patrick From Oho at September 28, 2016 11:02 AM (dKiJG)

141 Clark Gable was Hitlers favorite actor.He had special instructions sent out on what to do if Gable should be daptured(Gable was a bomber gunner but they rarely let him go on missions).

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 11:03 AM (fA75F)

142 >>Whatever happened to Justine Bateman?

>>Ever see them in the same room together?

Apparently not a fan of "Arrested Development."

She did a cameo where Jason's character saw her on the payroll of his father's company as a "consultant" assumed she was some type of management expert and hired her. Nope, a prostitute and also a possible love-child of his father's. Funny, awkward scenes in that episode!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:03 AM (NOIQH)

143
Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world
And the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 28, 2016 11:03 AM (QQ+il)

144 These three stories all on one page of the local paper today (thanks, AP):

"Trump blames others after combative debate with Clinton"

"Many women say Trump showed too much testosterone"

and

"Miss Universe dubbed 'Miss Piggy' by Trump a topic at debate"

The AP hauling the Beast's water as usual.

And now you see when we say, it doesn't matter what Trump says, if there is nothing, the media will make it up.
Trump never called Ms. U, Miss Piggy.
And Trump didn't show high T.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:04 AM (ApT0U)

145 Carrie Henn from Aliens, who became a schoolteacher in Central California.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2016 10:30 AM (Twghx)

Carrie Henn only did the movie Aliens and then quit.

Shirley Temple seems to have come out okay. But from my understanding, her mother kept a close eye on her the whole time to make sure nothing happened. In other words, she had a responsible parent in her life looking out for her interests.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 28, 2016 11:04 AM (Ee2nz)

146 Names?

The two interns murdered were Mary Mahoney, and Christine Mirzayan

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 11:05 AM (DjRJ+)

147 Time for another cup of tea.

Thanks for all the comments; I didn't quite know how this post would go over.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 11:05 AM (X6fMO)

148 Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be used by you,
Some of them want to be abused.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:06 AM (fsQtk)

149 That bunker story reminds me of a chapter in "World War Z".
That didn't end well for the celebrities....

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:06 AM (NOIQH)

150 How about a case where a corrupt prosecutor pulled a pre-Nifong and hounded an innocent actor out of Whorewood to build his political career.

Fatty Arbuckle was hounded out of the studios and he was totally innocent.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 11:06 AM (mpXpK)

151 Why kill interns that might talk when they could kill THE intern that blew him?

If she was the only one.

Posted by: tu3031 at September 28, 2016 11:06 AM (qJhUV)

152 And now you see when we say, it doesn't matter what Trump says, if there is nothing, the media will make it up.
Trump never called Ms. U, Miss Piggy.
And Trump didn't show high T.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:04 AM (ApT0U)

As if the truth ever matters to the MFM. The agenda is all that matters

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 11:06 AM (493sH)

153
The AP hauling the Beast's water as usual.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable

Kim Jong-un would love to have her press entourage.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 11:06 AM (IqV8l)

154 You should read about Brain Singer and what he did on the set of Apt Pupil, in make young boys get naked for a shower scene and somebody took photo's of the boys. It also rumored he drugged and raped the kid that stared in the movie.

Posted by: Patrick From Oho at September 28, 2016 11:07 AM (dKiJG)

155 Shirley Temple was such a big star and made the studio so much money that she was off limits from the usual shenanigans.

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 11:07 AM (fA75F)

156 *waves at MP4*

Nice piece, if chilling. Congrats for getting on the main page.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 11:07 AM (mgbwf)

157 I had read (maybe even from MP4) that Shirley Temple was strictly off limits, but the studio whorehouse had a girl that specialized in pretending to be her.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:08 AM (0dXaM)

158 Ooops I see someone beat me too it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 28, 2016 11:08 AM (mpXpK)

159 "Miss Universe dubbed 'Miss Piggy' by Trump a topic at debate"

The AP hauling the Beast's water as usual.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 11:00 AM (1ZOkK)

I've been seeing that all over the internet. I think the MFM is beating that drum to get to the white suburban soccer mom type to show them that Trump is mean

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 11:09 AM (493sH)

160 Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to be used by you,
Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused.

Proper order restored, but the sentiment fits.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 11:09 AM (9krrF)

161
Shirley Temple seems to have come out okay. But from my understanding, her mother kept a close eye on her the whole time to make sure nothing happened. In other words, she had a responsible parent in her life looking out for her interests.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist

I saw a Bill Mumy interview and he said his parents were like that. They invested his earnings for HIM and he did well.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 11:09 AM (IqV8l)

162 Yes, MPPPP had previously written a few times in the morning threads about a certain agency in Hollywood who had starlet lookalikes that could be had for a small nominal fee.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:09 AM (fsQtk)

163 >>It also rumored he drugged and raped the kid that stared in the movie.

Bryan Singer - and yeah, that kid eventually OD'd. Very sad.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:10 AM (NOIQH)

164
child actors who are being accosted by homosexual predators
---------------

Heterosexuals, too.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 11:10 AM (oGNNA)

165 Full court press in just shoring up FAB's base. The internals have got to be pudding worthy.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:10 AM (0dXaM)

166 The Satyricon in real life.

Jn 8-44

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 11:10 AM (Z8DIA)

167 *hides the Eurythmics Sweet Dreams laser-disc from Brother Cavil*

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:11 AM (fsQtk)

168 124 Jason Bateman came out fine.

Whatever happened to Justine Bateman?

Ever see them in the same room together?
Posted by: Lady Jenner at September 28, 2016 10:56 AM (XkVXQ)

She's studying (something) at UCLA. She popped up on twitter a couple of weeks ago, being bitchily anti-Trump.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 28, 2016 11:11 AM (ASSjT)

169

Whew.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 28, 2016 11:11 AM (ASSjT)

170 Laser discs in 2016

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2016 11:12 AM (fA75F)

171 NFL ratings plummeting again. The Sunday Night game came in especially low going up against weak competition. I wouldn't worry, Roger--Dallas and Chicago aren't big football towns.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 28, 2016 11:12 AM (hqZPQ)

172 It's all hilarious. You say 'bunker'. I say 'poorly executed fixed position filled with goodies and guarded by idiots'.
Posted by: Lord Humungus,

Fixed fortifications are a monument to stupidity.
-General George S Patton.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:12 AM (ApT0U)

173 Please do not use the words internals and pudding in the same post to reference Hillary!

*shudder*

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:12 AM (fsQtk)

174
I've been seeing that all over the internet. I
think the MFM is beating that drum to get to the white suburban soccer
mom type to show them that Trump is mean

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2016 11:09 AM (493sH)

There was one on Fox this morning. She was livid "as the mother of daughters" that he's so horrible toward women.

Hopefully, she's not the mother of sons in the military who would have to serve under the Beast alongside some "woman" with a penis.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 11:13 AM (1ZOkK)

175
50 Unable to find even one person to take her side. Must be what it feels like to be a victim in Rotherham or Cologne.

---------------

Or Arkansas.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 11:13 AM (oGNNA)

176 My own take is something like Henry II 'will no one rid me of this
troublesome priest' so overenthusiastic bootlickers made sure that the
troublesome ones were neutralized -- and nobody would miss them.

I believe there is something about Occam's Razor that makes your theory unlikely. The Clintons have left a trail of bodies everywhere they've been.

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 11:14 AM (DjRJ+)

177 Ron Howard has adjusted well, I believe.

Also Bill Mumy.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 28, 2016 11:14 AM (ASSjT)

178 Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to be used by you,
Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused.

Proper order restored,

The tits are now calm.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:14 AM (ApT0U)

179 Interestingly enough, Corey Feldman to this day defends his friend Michael Jackson.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson may not have actually been a kid-toucher. Though wasn't good at adult/child boundaries.

Or maybe not, who knows.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:15 AM (0dXaM)

180 The Clinton victims.
Christine M. Mirzayan

White House Intern
Died: August 1, 1998
On August 1, 1998, yet another young female government intern with the initial "M", Christine M. Mirzayan, was murdered, beaten to death with a heavy object near Georgetown University

Mary 'Caity' Mahoney

White House Intern
Died: July 6, 1997
An attractive 25-year-old woman, Mary was a former White House Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown.

Mary's two associates, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total of ten shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely populated Georgetown section.

Mary was shot in the chest, her face, and in the back of the head. Someone wanted her very dead. Or to send a message.

Even though more than $4000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder as a robbery, even as they acknowledge the "execution style" killings.

Posted by: Timon at September 28, 2016 11:15 AM (396pH)

181 Laser discs in 2016

Posted by: steevy

The only format the original, proper, unadulterated cut of Star Wars was ever released on.

Someone will port that over cleanly someday just to shame George Lucas.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 11:16 AM (9krrF)

182 Me? They are nothing more than stage actors. Most of them hypocritical creatures who if nothing else, put their pants on the same way I do.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2016 10:43 AM (jxbfJ)

There is a reason the French Revolutionaries originally didn't give actors the franchise.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 28, 2016 11:16 AM (Ee2nz)

183 *narrows eyes at Weimer*

Posted by: The Barrel at September 28, 2016 11:16 AM (mgbwf)

184
74 The only thing missing from this story is immunity deals for all the major players.

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Looking over this story of cover-ups, bribery, graft, crime, rape, assault, and death threats, I can't see any evil intent.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 11:17 AM (oGNNA)

185 I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson may not have actually been a kid-toucher. Though wasn't good at adult/child boundaries.

Or maybe not, who knows.

Posted by: Chupacabra

Used as cover by someone in the entourage, perhaps?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 11:17 AM (9krrF)

186 Another Disney was Jodie Foster, who did well in school and mastered her craft. How about Brook Shields? From total exploitation to interesting.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 11:17 AM (MIKMs)

187 Here is the site with the Clinton body count and people dead

http://tinyurl.com/jh4j2a4

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 11:17 AM (DjRJ+)

188 For those who were waiting...

I put on a flannel shirt today, so Fall has officially begun.

Vic needs to put the white shoes away until next year.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2016 11:17 AM (Zs4uk)

189 >>It's all hilarious. You say 'bunker'. I say 'poorly executed fixed position filled with goodies and guarded by idiots'.

Heh. Will they be bringing their nanny, personal chef, persona trainer and housekeepers down there with them?

I saw a lot of items that I doubt most of them could maintain on their own.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:17 AM (NOIQH)

190
Carrie Henn from Aliens, who became a schoolteacher in Central California.

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Because she has one credit only?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 11:18 AM (oGNNA)

191 >>>162 Yes, MPPPP had previously written a few times in the morning threads about a certain agency in Hollywood who had starlet lookalikes that could be had for a small nominal fee.

are they still open????
Asking for a friend!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 11:18 AM (QVVXM)

192 Even I need a good hosing out after reading that.

Posted by: The Barrel at September 28, 2016 11:19 AM (bzd8I)

193 MP4, that was very well written. Thank you.

Posted by: alexthechick - unskewed at September 28, 2016 11:19 AM (mf5HN)

194 I had read (maybe even from MP4) that Shirley Temple was strictly off limits, but the studio whorehouse had a girl that specialized in pretending to be her.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:08 AM (0dXaM)

MGM again, though Temple was Twentieth Century-Fox. It was a high-priced bordello nicknamed "Mae's" because of the madam's likeness to Mae West. It specialized in doubles of leading actresses of the day, like the aforementioned Lombard, Jean Harlow and Claudette Colbert. A legal-age (but very young-looking) girl was, in the limited material I have that exists on the place, the most popular as she was a double for Shirley Temple.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 11:21 AM (X6fMO)

195 I was first (amazing) and I meant to say this but got side tracked by the story - that was great MP4. Would love to read more of these stories; sad, tragic and just reinforces what I think of Hollywood; cannot wait to leave this stupid state.

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 11:21 AM (a0IVu)

196 You can get Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace on laser-disc - in Japan.

Brother Cavil might be interested in this on eBay
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hdawbny

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:21 AM (fsQtk)

197 Thank you for this, MP4. Very sobering. And what another Moron said earlier, if Hollywood were to be SMODed by the Norks, I would not feel too stressed.

Posted by: fly gal at September 28, 2016 11:22 AM (8TdcF)

198 Wasn't there some women eaten by lions the very day that the Clintons came to Washington, or some such?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 28, 2016 11:22 AM (QQ+il)

199
Check out the floor plan of the bunker in the article, it's hilarious. Pool, game room, multiple bedrooms for up to 20 people, bowling alley, indoor shooting range......and a food/supplies storage space the size of a typical walk-in closet.

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Sounds like Dennis Hopper's digs in Waterworld.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 11:23 AM (oGNNA)

200 Brother Cavil might be interested in this on eBay
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hdawbny

Posted by: Anna Puma

Ha! Now to find a working player...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 11:23 AM (9krrF)

201 It appears I got two stories confused - there are so many Clinton related deaths it is easy to do. There was a third death in the "M" murders - but it was a police informant.

Here is my favorite from the list James Milam:

Milam was decapitated. Clinton's notorious state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to an ulcer, claiming that the victim's small
dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin
several blocks away.

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 11:23 AM (DjRJ+)

202 Jeebus. When the Clinton's have someone killed, they want to make sure they stay killed.

{{shudder}}

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 28, 2016 11:25 AM (1ZOkK)

203 I thought it was you; thanks MP4

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:25 AM (0dXaM)

204 It was a high-priced bordello nicknamed "Mae's" because of the madam's likeness to Mae West. It specialized in doubles of leading actresses of the day, like the aforementioned Lombard, Jean Harlow and Claudette Colbert.

I loved L.A. Confidential in which this was a major through-line. Especially when Guy Pearce assumes that Lana Turner is a whore cut to look like Lana Turner.

"How was I supposed to know?"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 11:26 AM (mgbwf)

205 Like this one is claimed to be Brother Cavil?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zztbe5c

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:26 AM (fsQtk)

206 I recently re-watched I Claudius, and was struck by the similarities to our modern political class, especially those named Clinton.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 11:26 AM (7ZVPa)

207
140 Corey Haim and Corey Feldman I don't remember which one hinted that it was a gay Record company owner that's a billionaire and it's been said that he would destroy them with Lawyers if they spoke. If he speaks out he is ruined.
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I'd contribute to a GoFundMe, although I'm sure there's a criminal workaround for that.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 28, 2016 11:26 AM (oGNNA)

208 Milam was decapitated. Clinton's notorious state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to an ulcer, claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin
several blocks away.

Damn. I'm a piker compared to these two.

Posted by: Putin at September 28, 2016 11:27 AM (NF2Bf)

209 I saw a Bill Mumy interview and he said his parents were like that. They invested his earnings for HIM and he did well.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2016 11:09 AM (IqV8l)

I forgot about Mumy. He does seem to have turned out okay.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 28, 2016 11:28 AM (Ee2nz)

210 Found it! The incomparable Branco.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02/ branco-cartoon-what-difference-does-it-make/

Seems appropriate.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (MIKMs)

211 I recently re-watched I Claudius,

Where? Is it on one of the services or do you have it on DVD?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (mgbwf)

212
I thought the "murder" Starbucks case in DC turned out to be a professional, if very odd, criminal from NW DC or just across the District line in MD, who had a somewhat normal life but also did violent crime on the side. Took years, but his loose talk led the cops to him eventually. Don't recall anything linking it to anything political or Clinton, but it's been a few years.

The store is in a small commercial stretch across from the Safeway - small school right behind it, some townhouses next to it on the little street behind it, as I recall. Not really "densely populated" immediate area, as the info cited in another comment implies. Crime happened late Sunday, I think, though that place closed early-ish on Sundays (8PM?).

Everyone figured the store would be closed. Instead, Starbucks rebuilt the interior (so the murder site effectively no longer existed) and re-opened the place as a non-profit with proceeds going to some victims of crime foundation.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (QDnY+)

213 Besides her mad desire to be President, there has to be at least one guilty neuron left in Hillary!'s noggin that is worried if she loses all those bagmen will have sudden bouts of conscience.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (fsQtk)

214 DVD

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (7ZVPa)

215 For those who were waiting...

I put on a flannel shirt today, so Fall has officially begun.

Vic needs to put the white shoes away until next year.
Posted by: jwest

87 here today.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (ApT0U)

216 "I can imagine Katie Couric and a lot of the others getting where they are (were) via the casting couch."

That's right! Arf!

Arf Arf Arf!

Posted by: Katie C., Perky newshound extraordinaire (Yorkie Division) at September 28, 2016 11:30 AM (TSJEX)

217 Oh, and great story, MP4 !

Looking forward to reading more from you !

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at September 28, 2016 11:30 AM (Z8DIA)

218 Like this one is claimed to be Brother Cavil?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zztbe5c

Posted by: Anna Puma

Yeah, CT's a bit far for me to go though...but I see others up.

An eBay spree may be in my near future.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 11:30 AM (9krrF)

219 Everyone figured the store would be closed. Instead, Starbucks rebuilt the interior (so the murder site effectively no longer existed) and re-opened the place as a non-profit with proceeds going to some victims of crime foundation.

And that isn't suspicious?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:31 AM (ApT0U)

220 Besides her mad desire to be President, there has to be at least one guilty neuron left in Hillary!'s noggin that is worried if she loses all those bagmen will have sudden bouts of conscience.

*ZAP*

Posted by: Dr. Feelgood at September 28, 2016 11:32 AM (NF2Bf)

221 Brother Cavil, or you shop Goodwill

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCatFilter.asp?catID=243

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:33 AM (fsQtk)

222 I'm watching the hearing with Comey and he looks like a complete fool. If he wore clown clothes to the hearing, he'd raise his credibility about a thousand notches.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 28, 2016 11:35 AM (4ng05)

223 This is how I would imagine an encounter with Bill Clinton would have turned out

Posted by: Sam In Va at September 28, 2016 11:35 AM (bNi5D)

224 I don't remember hearing anything bad about Fred Savage. I thought the guy who played his older brother, while not a star, turned out okay too.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 11:36 AM (QVVXM)

225 I'm watching the hearing with Comey and he looks like a complete fool. If he wore clown clothes to the hearing, he'd raise his credibility about a thousand notches.

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In a better world, this would be impeachment hearings. Frankly, he's a good guy for the GOP Congress to impeach from a political perspective. He's a "republican" and head of a law and order agency.

Posted by: SH at September 28, 2016 11:37 AM (gmeXX)

226
I'm watching the hearing with Comey and he looks like a complete fool.
If he wore clown clothes to the hearing, he'd raise his credibility
about a thousand notches.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 28, 2016 11:35 AM (4ng05)
=====Where?

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2016 11:37 AM (MIKMs)

227 This is what happens when the rule of Law, is lost...

But it begs the question.... did we ever really have the rule of law in this country, or just the illusion of it...

Myth? or Fact? or something we are still actually striving for?

Posted by: Don Q. at September 28, 2016 11:37 AM (qf6WZ)

228 Apropos of nothing, what is up with the Hot Air gang? Are they vehemently #nevertrump or #imwithher?

Posted by: IC at September 28, 2016 11:37 AM (a0IVu)

229 Someone will port that over cleanly someday just to shame George Lucas.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at September 28, 2016 11:16 AM (9krrF)

Bing or Google "Star Wars Despecialized Edition" for some interesting search results.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 28, 2016 11:38 AM (+WNB7)

230 56
Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?

Kirk and Candace Cameron.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 28, 2016 11:38 AM (WlGX+)

231 Very cool story, glad someone wrote about it before she died. Thanks for writing it MP4! Hope you get back to your sequel soon.

Posted by: waelse1 at September 28, 2016 11:38 AM (t0oo5)

232 228 Apropos of nothing, what is up with the Hot Air gang? Are they vehemently #nevertrump or #imwithher?

Not much difference is there?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 28, 2016 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

233 87 here today.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2016 11:29 AM (ApT0U)

You need to move to somewhere with proper seasons, otherwise, your wardrobe will be limited.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2016 11:39 AM (Zs4uk)

234 But it begs the question.... did we ever really have the rule of law in this country, or just the illusion of it...

Myth? or Fact? or something we are still actually striving for?

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I think only a fool would believe that it is only now where the powerful have gotten away with breaking the law.

The difference between then and now is we have so much more law.

Posted by: SH at September 28, 2016 11:39 AM (gmeXX)

235 "I think these child actresses like Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Amanda Bynes have such hideous breakdowns because they've been abused for years."

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I read somewhere that Disney today is a swamp of debauchery. I'm coming around to the conclusion that children should not be allowed to act until 18, CGI will have to do.

Posted by: Decaf at September 28, 2016 11:39 AM (8zHLN)

236 James Comey, Federal Bureau of Incompetence (F.B.I.). Why did they even go through the song & dance? [Mis. Hum.]

Good question, isn't it?

I have a strong suspicion that it is deliberate in it's flagrancy.

They want the "enemy" to know that others are above the law.

Nothing else makes sense, but as a political statement it does. We know that the LIV doesn't know or care about it and their normalcy bias will say it can't be true.
We know that democrats will be okay with it because team blue wins AND they get to use the protestations from the right to convince the LIVs that the Right is paranoid, delusional and crazy. On top of all that it does send the message that yet another executive branch department has indeed been weaponized to protect their friends and punish their enemies.

It's a WIN/WIN/WIN!

Besides, what are You going to do about it?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 28, 2016 11:40 AM (kKHcp)

237 Oregon Muse this could be dangerous for bibliophiles

http://www.goodwillbooks.com/

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:40 AM (fsQtk)

238 I thought the "murder" Starbucks case in DC turned out to be a
professional, if very odd, criminal from NW DC or just across the
District line in MD, who had a somewhat normal life but also did violent
crime on the side. Took years, but his loose talk led the cops to him
eventually. Don't recall anything linking it to anything political or
Clinton, but it's been a few years.

Yes, I'm sure he used two guns to execute the Intern because...

All coincidence. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 11:41 AM (DjRJ+)

239 James Comey, Federal Bureau of Incompetence (F.B.I.). Why did they even go through the song & dance? [Mis. Hum.]

Good question, isn't it?

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Wasting your tax dollars is a specialty of any bureaucratic organization.

Posted by: SH at September 28, 2016 11:41 AM (gmeXX)

240 Since we're mentioning Shirley Temple, here's a pic I've linked before - Zero Mostel giving Shirley the once-over:

goo.gl/CZlKih

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 28, 2016 11:42 AM (X6fMO)

241 >>I thought the "murder" Starbucks case in DC turned out to be a
professional, if very odd, criminal from NW DC or just across the
District line in MD, who had a somewhat normal life but also did violent
crime on the side. Took years, but his loose talk led the cops to him
eventually. Don't recall anything linking it to anything political or
Clinton, but it's been a few years.

Know a family member of one of the murdered. It was a guy who had a wife and kids, lived with his mother, and 5 days a week lived a normal life. On weekends he went on the occasional crime spree. He was also responsible for a robbery in MD where he shot and killed a security guard. That made in interstate and the feds were involved.

The scandal related to it was this: the then DC police chief (who left office in a scandal a few mos. later for getting a choice apt. using a reduced fee for surveillance pads) had *just* re-organized the homicide department the Friday before the murder - which happened over July 4th weekend. He had moved all homicide detectives to a single DC location instead of being interspersed throughout the police precincts. It was a mess because no one knew who was supposed to take the case. To further complicate things there was the botched CI, a druggie who said he had heard talk of who did it, that they sent in wired up to get more info who was then murdered.

When the murder happened the usual a$$hole stepped into it. Bill Clinton of course made a statement about it ans sent the families a note about how he's tough on crime. Marion Barry used the murders - which were done inside the Starbucks - to say that "See, we're getting the crime off the streets".

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:43 AM (NOIQH)

242 Natalie Portman turned in two great performances as a child and nothing as an adult.

I submit her roles in The Professional and especially in Beautiful Girls.

Discuss, if you so choose.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 28, 2016 11:44 AM (mgbwf)

243 >>>*ZAP*

Scott Baio?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 11:44 AM (QVVXM)

244 OT Morons but I have to go to Austin TX tonight for a meeting on Thursday and Friday. They don't post the agenda until the morning of the meeting. If we are not on the agenda tomorrow, I have a day in Austin with time to kill. Any suggestions for acrtivities/eats?

Posted by: Timon at September 28, 2016 11:44 AM (396pH)

245 We've never really had rule of law. At least, not equally.

Chalk it up to human nature I guess. We really aren't happy without a chief and his apparatchik's.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:44 AM (0dXaM)

246 Liked the bunker pictures. For all that luxury, how long before the inhabitants, no matter how wealthy and sophisticated, started tearing each other to pieces. Literally.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at September 28, 2016 11:44 AM (BWL+E)

247 Terribly sad. Hollywood Delenda Est.

Posted by: setnaffa at September 28, 2016 11:44 AM (jl6Ly)

248 George Reeves committed suicide. It's obvious if you read about the layout of the house. The only way in and out was through the front door (and there were three people in the house when he did it so no way did someone walk out without being seen) and the room he died in was so small it would've been impossible for someone to be standing in there gunning him down.

A lot of what you read about the case is false, too.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 28, 2016 11:45 AM (4ErVI)

249
Hollywood - West Coast swamp of vile moral corruption

Washington D.C. - East Coast swamp of vile moral corruption

And... they are in collusion, psychologically if not directly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 28, 2016 11:45 AM (9mTYi)

250 I thought the "murder" Starbucks case in DC turned out to be a professional, if very odd, criminal from NW DC or just across the District line in MD, who had a somewhat normal life but also did violent crime on the side. Took years, but his loose talk led the cops to him eventually. Don't recall anything linking it to anything political or Clinton, but it's been a few years.

The only reason for the conviction was the result of a 54 hour confession session?

And no money taken, but he had time to march off the two men and shot them, and shoot the shit out of the woman.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 28, 2016 11:46 AM (326rv)

251 I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson may not have actually been a kid-toucher. Though wasn't good at adult/child boundaries.

Or maybe not, who knows.
Posted by: Chupacabra

Or he may have had enough impulse control not to abuse every single kid who slept over at Neverland.

Given the evidence from his first accuser (the one he bought off) the kid described Jackson's blotchy penis, corroborated by photos that law enforcement took. That's good enough for me. If Gavin Arvizo's mother hadn't been such a stupid huckster, he probably would have been convicted the second time around.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 28, 2016 11:47 AM (iFgwk)

252 Oregon Muse this could be dangerous for bibliophiles

http://www.goodwillbooks.com/

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 11:40 AM (fsQtk)

Thanks...just what I need. Another place to spend money!!!

Posted by: Timon at September 28, 2016 11:48 AM (396pH)

253 It's funny how our betters call the center of our nation 'flyover country', when both of the ends of the country are swamps. Flyover country is the high ground, at least morally.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2016 11:48 AM (7ZVPa)

254 >>> and especially in Beautiful Girls.

Great movie, noteworthy because both Rosie O'Donnell and David Arquette are tolerable in it.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 11:49 AM (QVVXM)

255 >>The only reason for the conviction was the result of a 54 hour confession session?

He settled just hours before the trial was to start - he did this because he did not want to get the death penalty. And IIRC, he stole ~$15,000, and was tied to at least one other murder/robbery.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:49 AM (NOIQH)

256 Girl 27 is a FANTASTIC documentary. I have watched it a few times. It's so hard to find now. It used to be on Netflix. Poor Patricia, she had such guts to go after MGM back then.

Posted by: Legszzzakimbo at September 28, 2016 11:50 AM (659DL)

257
rickb223, I dunno, is it? I honestly don't see anything suspicious about it. The investigation - which later led to bagging the perp, as I noted - was obviously completed before the place was changed. Don't understand your point here.

As to the Codevilla article: yeah, meh, and sure, OK.

I think he mistook one SCOTUS outrage for another (easy to do!) in his litany of court lawlessness at the beginning (thought "it's a tax!" was the original case, and King v. Burwell was the "let's shred statutory construction!", second case). Of no consequence to his point.

He's got so much ground to cover, it's not easy. Glad he mentioned the omnibus spending bill thing. He stressed the principle of it, but the practical aspect (it fuzzes accountability even while masking all the specific choices in one gigantic dramatized "shut down!" kabuki theater bunch of nonsense) is actually more important.

I skimmed part of it so maybe I missed it, and sure he'd agree,but the most daunting part of it all is that the mindset is just gone/missing from so many Americans - his points, his entire framework are now mostly just fringe concerns of a freakish minority.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 28, 2016 11:50 AM (QDnY+)

258 FBI hearing:

https://tinyurl.com/z7lf374

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 28, 2016 11:50 AM (4ng05)

259 Besides, what are You going to do about it?

Oh, there is plenty any of us could do about it. We just haven't been diagnosed with a terminal illness yet.

Posted by: An Observation at September 28, 2016 11:51 AM (DjRJ+)

260
Today is the 175th anniversary of the birth of the "Tiger of France," French statesman, Georges Benjamin Clemenceau (1841-1929).

"America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to decadence without the usual interval of civilization."
- Clemenceau
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I want to disagree with that, but I'm not sure that I can. I might make a plea for turn-of-the-century America, but then I recall Tammany Hall.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 28, 2016 11:52 AM (9mTYi)

261 The only reason for the conviction was the result of a 54 hour confession session?

He settled just hours before the trial was to start - he did this because he did not want to get the death penalty. And IIRC, he stole ~$15,000, and was tied to at least one other murder/robbery.
Posted by: Lizzy

He pled guilty to avoid a federal death sentence. Janet Reno forced it, even though DC doesn't hav a death penalty.

And I had heard that no money was taken.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 28, 2016 11:52 AM (326rv)

262 As horrible as it is to say, she probably should have put some ice on it and forgotten the whole thing.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:53 AM (0dXaM)

263 >>He pled guilty to avoid a federal death sentence. Janet Reno forced it, even though DC doesn't hav a death penalty.

And I had heard that no money was taken.

Yes, federal death penalty because of the two crimes in different states. Yes, money was stolen.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

264 Like the guy who kept suing the auto manufacturers for stealing his intermittent windshield wiper design. That guy didn't really "win" in the end.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:55 AM (0dXaM)

265 >>>Yes, federal death penalty because of the two crimes in different states. Yes, money was stolen.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2016 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

There were 47 counts, murdering a security guard, attempted murder, and a series of strong arm robberies in Maryland and Pennsylvania. He botched Starbucks because Mahoney resisted but he did it.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 11:58 AM (QVVXM)

266 I did warn you it could be dangerous, you accepted the risk of a little peril.

*turns off Grail sign*

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 12:00 PM (fsQtk)

267 I submit her roles in The Professional and especially in Beautiful Girls.

Discuss, if you so choose.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Forget Natalie Portman. In one of the scenes in 'The Professional' there is a 50's wall clock in the kitchen. I have that same clock here. Been in the family for almost 70 years.

As an aside, that the clock is a stock prop is obvious, because the analog guts were replaced as is apparent by the incremental movement of the second hand in the movie.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 28, 2016 12:00 PM (9mTYi)

268 OT Morons but I have to go to Austin TX tonight for a meeting on Thursday and Friday. They don't post the agenda until the morning of the meeting. If we are not on the agenda tomorrow, I have a day in Austin with time to kill. Any suggestions for acrtivities/eats?

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For breakfast/brunch I would try: http://theomelettry.com/

Great Gingerbread Pancakes also.

Posted by: Auscolpyr at September 28, 2016 12:00 PM (suO/a)

269 Like the guy who kept suing the auto manufacturers for stealing his intermittent windshield wiper design. That guy didn't really "win" in the end.
Posted by: Chupacabra
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I invented the clock. And what has it gotten me? Nothing, so far, but the lawyers are working on it.

Posted by: Ahmed at September 28, 2016 12:02 PM (9mTYi)

270 Nude Pole Thread...

Corgis

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2016 12:02 PM (fsQtk)

271 "If we are not on the agenda tomorrow, I have a day in Austin with time to kill. Any suggestions for acrtivities/eats?"

Just moved to the twin cities after living in ATX for a few years (Hipster fatigue, whaddya do).

BBQ:

Avoid Franklin's- it's great, but the wait is ridicutarded.

La BBQ is almost as good (beef ribs are insane) and the line is better...plus it's next door to a bar called Stay Gold that is pretty great. That's on Cesar Chavez, east of I-35.

Mickelthwait Craft Meats just off 10th (again, east of 35) is getting a lotta love, but I wasn't blown away.

Woulda said John Mueller Meat Co, but the guy got shut down for tax evasion back in August apparently.

Stiles Switch BBQ up on North Lamar is pretty good, they are famed for their 12 Smoked Meats of Christmas and do solid stuff- this guy is a former pitmaster at Mueller's up in Taylor.

Other stuff- try Maria's Taco XPress on South Lamar... her breakfast tacos are superior to the omnipresent Torchy's, and the al pastor is pretty rockin.

Right near Maria's is Matt's Famous El Rancho- great Tex Mex, they have a queso that you will name your next child after.

High end "inland Mexican" cuisine- La Fonda San Miguel, north side up on North Loop Blvd.

Gourmet hot dogs and oddly, very nice mixed drinks and extremely rare Japanese whiskeys- Frank on Colorado street downtown.

Interesting breakfast- South Congress Cafe, on south Congress surprisingly. Go early, big waits.

Weird only in Austin Bar- Spider House near Guadalupe and 30th.

Great Cajun Zydeco bar- White Horse, just off East 6th. Smells perfectly like stale beer and (faintly) old vomit.

Live Music- Hell, anywhere.

Hope this helps.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk, Deplorables Division at September 28, 2016 12:06 PM (TSJEX)

272 Late, but very interesting. Sad, though.

Posted by: Lea at September 28, 2016 12:30 PM (lIU4e)

273 >>>Great Cajun Zydeco bar- White Horse, just off East 6th. Smells perfectly like stale beer and (faintly) old vomit.

That's terrible! It should be fresh vomit!!
BOOZOO FOREVER, UNCLE BUD TO ELEVEN!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 28, 2016 12:33 PM (QVVXM)

274 264 Like the guy who kept suing the auto manufacturers for stealing his intermittent windshield wiper design. That guy didn't really "win" in the end.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:55 AM (0dXaM)

Robert Kearns.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 28, 2016 12:47 PM (SRKgf)

275 Wow. Bravo, MP4. Well told.

Posted by: bour3 at September 28, 2016 12:52 PM (cyVTQ)

276 244: ACL starts this weekend, so it will be madness at Zilker park, but probably worth a walk over to see the set up. Walking the paths around Lady Bird Lake (which actually is part of the Colorado River) is great; shopping for boots at Allens on South Congress also is fun. The LBJ library at UT is worth a trip, as is the new show at the Ransom. Walking thru the Capitol is another good way to spend a few hours. If you're more into sports, try renting a kayak on Lake Austin or hiking around Mt. Bonnell.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at September 28, 2016 12:56 PM (wgFcF)

277 Ron Howard appears to have escaped the Hollywood child actor curse. I don't know anything about his private life, though, or that of his daughter (the tall redhead in Jurassic World).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 28, 2016 12:56 PM (UkGKj)

278 194
I had read (maybe even from MP4) that Shirley Temple was strictly off
limits, but the studio whorehouse had a girl that specialized in
pretending to be her.

Posted by: Chupacabra at September 28, 2016 11:08 AM (0dXaM)

MGM again, though Temple was Twentieth Century-Fox. It was a
high-priced bordello nicknamed "Mae's" because of the madam's likeness
to Mae West. It specialized in doubles of leading actresses of the day,
like the aforementioned Lombard, Jean Harlow and Claudette Colbert. A
legal-age (but very young-looking) girl was, in the limited material I
have that exists on the place, the most popular as she was a double for
Shirley Temple.
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The story goes that they had a double also for Carole Lombard, who was married to Clark Gable at the time. Carole wasn't upset, though. She said, "Don't tell Clark. He'll want to go!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 28, 2016 12:59 PM (UkGKj)

279 As for Justine Bateman and Jason, I saw them in an episode of Arrested Development some years ago. Justine was playing a woman who was attracted to Jason's character (you remember, the nominally sane member of AD's weird family). Strange casting, since they're brother and sister.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 28, 2016 01:05 PM (UkGKj)

280 230 56
Is there an example of a child star who came out of the Hollywood experience as a normal and well-adjusted human being?
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Teen idol Bobby Sherman became an EMT and Reserve Officer with the LAPD and the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department.

He became someone that some actors only dream of playing in a movie role.

Posted by: Deplorable Adirondack Patriot at September 28, 2016 01:08 PM (4AVeu)

281 And in NY there is Jeffrey Epstein! They still get away with it.

Posted by: Locke Common at September 28, 2016 01:32 PM (9h4+/)

282 "I saw a Bill Mumy interview and he said his parents were like that. They invested his earnings for HIM and he did well. "

And yet, "Barnes and Barnes"...

(He's actually a decent musician. I have some of his solo songs, and one is so evocative and... close to home... I can't listen to it. He's also in a band with Miguel Ferrer and some other stars, and they're OK.(

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 28, 2016 01:57 PM (fVubI)

283 So how do we know now what happened on that night? Have other people corraborated or is it solely Douglass testimony? Is there anything other than her claims and the similarity to other things going on at the time?

Posted by: goodluckduck at September 28, 2016 02:07 PM (yqvys)

284 "Ross was not indicted and got away scot-free, dying of rectal cancer in 1962. "

Lookin' on the Brite Side.

Posted by: Slothrop Comma Tyrone" at September 28, 2016 04:49 PM (cW490)

285 Another story along these lines...

The Three Stooges originally came together as a part of Ted Healy's vaudeville comedy act.

A few years after the Stooges hit the big time, Healy was in a bar celebrating the birth of his new son. A group of three guys at the next table demanded he tone it down and celebrate more quietly. Those three guys were MGM comic star Wallace Beery, Albert Broccoli (later of the James Bond film franchise fame), and Broccoli's cousin, a mafia goon by the name of Pat DiCicco.

A fight erupted from this situation, and Beery, Broccoli and DiCicco ended up beating Healy to death in the parking lot.

Beery was immediately sent out on an international comedy tour, and in the end no charges were filed.

So, yes, an MGM star could indeed literally get away with murder in Hollywood back then.

Posted by: The Deplorable Prothonotary Warbler at September 28, 2016 11:59 PM (0OG8D)

286

All right, who gets in the barrel now?

Posted by: The Deplorable Prothonotary Warbler at September 29, 2016 12:00 AM (0OG8D)

287 Wolfus Aurelius, please report to the barrel.

Posted by: The Deplorable Prothonotary Warbler at September 29, 2016 12:01 AM (0OG8D)

288 #279: Remember the show Dexter? Dexter's sister was played by the real-life wife of the actor playing Dexter. The people in charge of the show deliberately chose this casting because they wanted there to be this weirdly romantic chemistry between the two characters.

Posted by: The Deplorable Prothonotary Warbler at September 29, 2016 12:09 AM (0OG8D)

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