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Ted Cruz Endorses Donald Trump
It's not a huge thing, but I guess it's not nothing either.
This election is unlike any other in our nation’s history. Like many other voters, I have struggled to determine the right course of action in this general election.The chief effect of this seems to be increasing the psychic strain of #NeverTrumpers, as they continue conflating the question of "Do you feel Hillary Clinton should be the next president?" with the question they much prefer answering, "Do you have Principles and which Personalities do you favor here?" I'm really getting tired of this This Time It's Personal bullshit, but whatever, the perpetual personal aggrievement cohort is going to continue to be perpetually personally aggrieved. They'll just find new ways to imply "vote for Hillary Clinton" without quite having to say that directly. Without a doubt, of the two choices, it's Donald Trump, and not Hillary Clinton, who has had the longest track record and greatest success at corrupting the government. So, vote for her. Because that's the Principled thing to do, for some reason. I feel like we need Tom Hanks to step out at some point and declare "There's no crying in baseball." But I'm sure they'd just call Tom Hanks a Trumpkin Sellout. BTW: Why is it that #NeverTrumpers question Cruz' motives, given they get so upset if we question theirs? Can't it be the case that Cruz is being dead honest here: Yes, I have great problems with Trump, including the beastly way he treated my own wife and father, and yet, in the scheme of things that are actually truly important, I must support Trump over this serial law-breaking and government-corrupting grifter? I'm sorry, is that too illogical, fantastical even, for the #NeverTrumpers?
In Cleveland, I urged voters, “please, don’t stay home in November. Stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket whom you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.”
After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump. I’ve made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word. Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable -- that’s why I have always been #NeverHillary. Six key policy differences inform my decision. First, and most important, the Supreme Court. For anyone concerned about the Bill of Rights -- free speech, religious liberty, the Second Amendment -- the Court hangs in the balance. I have spent my professional career fighting before the Court to defend the Constitution. We are only one justice away from losing our most basic rights, and the next president will appoint as many as four new justices.
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He'll need the good will for a later Presidential run...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:43 PM (/NlFx)
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Good for Him...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 05:44 PM (O2RFr)
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How much arm-twisting from donors went into this, too?
Remember, Trump went after his wife and father.
Remember, Trump went after his wife and father.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:45 PM (/NlFx)
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I still like Cruz and hope there's a place for him in the Trump administration.
Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 23, 2016 05:45 PM (nvMvs)
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Been a long time coming.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:46 PM (Sfs6o)
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4
I still like Cruz and hope there's a place for him in the Trump administration.
Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 23, 2016 05:45 PM (nvMvs)
Dismantling the IRS and putting in a tax code the size of a postcard.
I'd LOVE to see Cruz as a hatchetman carving up government agencies.
I still like Cruz and hope there's a place for him in the Trump administration.
Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at September 23, 2016 05:45 PM (nvMvs)
Dismantling the IRS and putting in a tax code the size of a postcard.
I'd LOVE to see Cruz as a hatchetman carving up government agencies.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:46 PM (/NlFx)
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Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (2El4P)
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Meh.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (+wjl1)
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There we go. Now can we stop bashing one of the most conservative Senators left in Congress? He did his job. He kissed the ring.
(I know most people have let it go, but some people seem to want to ruin Ted Cruz's career just because he wasn't obsequious enough after the primaries)
(I know most people have let it go, but some people seem to want to ruin Ted Cruz's career just because he wasn't obsequious enough after the primaries)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (kumBu)
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Looks like Rice Prebius warning about endorsement is being taken seriously.
Ohio governor Katsup most butt hurt. We REALLY do need his help in OH, but no he won't give it.
ASSHOLE
Ohio governor Katsup most butt hurt. We REALLY do need his help in OH, but no he won't give it.
ASSHOLE
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (NbJXF)
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All the points he made were great, and a no brainer if you put things in a bigger context and look past yourself and own ego.
If this was American Idol, I could understand voting against Trump.
All I hear for NeverTrump is meaningless slogans like "Trump is a Democrat too!" with no explanation from them what it would mean to give the nation over to Hillary instead.
You really have to ask yourself how much that "I told you so" moment is really worth over the next 4 years.
If this was American Idol, I could understand voting against Trump.
All I hear for NeverTrump is meaningless slogans like "Trump is a Democrat too!" with no explanation from them what it would mean to give the nation over to Hillary instead.
You really have to ask yourself how much that "I told you so" moment is really worth over the next 4 years.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (fgAYu)
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Gabe Schoenfeld has gone completely around the bend over this.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (/m8T6)
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Beck on suicide watch...
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (+wjl1)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (uPt3V)
15
Does this end our own Civil War reenactment?
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (r1fLd)
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*sets up Hunter Thompson-like goodies in mancave: booze, bong, uppers, downers, popcorn, .38 special*
Ok, ready. Go!
Ok, ready. Go!
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (qCMvj)
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I'm glad Ted endorsed Orange Toupee Weasel, I far prefer Cruz as a human being to Donald.
Wonder if this will make a dent in the Chichi Jima Never Say Die Cruz Brigades?
Wonder if this will make a dent in the Chichi Jima Never Say Die Cruz Brigades?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (SzZnW)
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"He'll need the good will for a later Presidential run...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:43 PM (/NlFx) "
I wouldn't bet on him running again, but who knows.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:43 PM (/NlFx) "
I wouldn't bet on him running again, but who knows.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (kumBu)
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You know, maybe we shouldn't have just ridden right into that Indian camp on the Little Big Horn.
- General George Armstrong "Ted" Custer
- General George Armstrong "Ted" Custer
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (Nwg0u)
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and thankfully Trump had a gracious response on twitter.
Posted by: spypeach at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (nyYhO)
Posted by: Trump Boosters at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (VAsIq)
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Ted Cruz is a good man, and thorough.
Now Jeb on the other hand.....he's worthless as teats on a boar hog.
Katshit is about as worthless as poo on a stick.
And don't get me started on what's her name, Lindsey something or other.
Now Jeb on the other hand.....he's worthless as teats on a boar hog.
Katshit is about as worthless as poo on a stick.
And don't get me started on what's her name, Lindsey something or other.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 23, 2016 05:49 PM (ej1L0)
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15
Does this end our own Civil War War of Northern Aggression reenactment?
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (r1fLd)
FIFY
Does this end our own
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (r1fLd)
FIFY
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 05:49 PM (NbJXF)
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He endorsed.
Good for him.
Let's get back to defeating The Clinton Crime Family and Transnational progresivism.
Good for him.
Let's get back to defeating The Clinton Crime Family and Transnational progresivism.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 23, 2016 05:49 PM (kBiSH)
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Cruz should stay in the Senate.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 23, 2016 05:49 PM (264gc)
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Good for him, and his statement about it being about beating Hillary is all anyone has to remember.
She's the enemy. Not Trump. Not Trump Supporters. Not Ted Cruz. Not each other here.
Hillary. Beat Hillary. God please, have mercy on us, just this once. I know we don't deserve it, or it wouldn't be mercy. Let there be a little bit of justice, just this once.
She's the enemy. Not Trump. Not Trump Supporters. Not Ted Cruz. Not each other here.
Hillary. Beat Hillary. God please, have mercy on us, just this once. I know we don't deserve it, or it wouldn't be mercy. Let there be a little bit of justice, just this once.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (39g3+)
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I don't understand the Cruz calculus in waiting. Sure he may have been disappointed/mad/pissed/whatever, but by waiting this long he made himself look like a sore loser.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)
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Will this be a flame thread? Because I have some zingers!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (bqa+Z)
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"I am greatly honored by the endorsement of Senator Cruz. We have fought the battle and he was a tough and brilliant opponent," Trump responded in a press release Friday afternoon. "I look forward to working with him for many years to come in order to make America great again."
perfect
"I am greatly honored by the endorsement of Senator Cruz. We have fought the battle and he was a tough and brilliant opponent," Trump responded in a press release Friday afternoon. "I look forward to working with him for many years to come in order to make America great again."
perfect
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (qCMvj)
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i'm glad....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (0O7c5)
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Trump said nasty things about Cruz's family, but Hillary is a criminal officeholder who very possibly kills people and definitely gets people killed.
Sometimes your worst personal enemy is not as bad as the other guy.
Sometimes your worst personal enemy is not as bad as the other guy.
Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (S0Svy)
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>>>22 I don't understand why the #NeverTrumpers won't fall in line!
*takes another shit on them*
Posted by: Trump Boosters
...
I don't care anymore. There are more important things than your feeewings.
Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
*takes another shit on them*
Posted by: Trump Boosters
...
I don't care anymore. There are more important things than your feeewings.
Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
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Now go, St. Cruz, and turn over tables and lecterns in the Senate with our blessing. If they get in your way, run them over.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (1CroS)
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Good stuff. I'm glad this happened.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (+eR2D)
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All I hear for NeverTrump is meaningless slogans like "Trump is a Democrat too!" with no explanation from them what it would mean to give the nation over to Hillary instead.
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Thee is a lot of dismissive talk that Hillary is evil, yes, but Trump is Hitler. Seriously, that's what they say. Then, there are generally a few "Racism!" accusations, and maybe even a few allusions to his multiple wives. Taxes get mentioned quite often.
It's not like I've made a comprehensive study, but I really have tried to understand the NeverTrumper preference for Hillary over Trump, and I think they're just slightly nuts about the whole subject, and don't make coherent arguments.
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Thee is a lot of dismissive talk that Hillary is evil, yes, but Trump is Hitler. Seriously, that's what they say. Then, there are generally a few "Racism!" accusations, and maybe even a few allusions to his multiple wives. Taxes get mentioned quite often.
It's not like I've made a comprehensive study, but I really have tried to understand the NeverTrumper preference for Hillary over Trump, and I think they're just slightly nuts about the whole subject, and don't make coherent arguments.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (/m8T6)
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If you read Ted's entire statement it's a good summary of why #NeverHillary = #ForTrump
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (r1fLd)
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"Wonder if this will make a dent in the Chichi Jima Never Say Die Cruz Brigades?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (SzZnW) "
Are there any left? I've long since waved the white flag. Most of the remaining #NeverTrumpers don't strike me as being big Cruz fans.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (SzZnW) "
Are there any left? I've long since waved the white flag. Most of the remaining #NeverTrumpers don't strike me as being big Cruz fans.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (kumBu)
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"Appease us! Say nice things to us! Court us! Pay attention to us!"
--- things adults usually do not say
--- things adults usually do not say
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
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he should have at the convention...and i think he was actually going to....and then reconsidered mid speech
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (0O7c5)
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"I am greatly honored by the endorsement of Senator Cruz. We have fought the battle and he was a tough and brilliant opponent," Trump responded in a press release Friday afternoon. "I look forward to working with him for many years to come in order to make America great again."
perfect
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Yup.
perfect
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Yup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (Nwg0u)
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"He'll need the good will for a later Presidential run...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:43 PM (/NlFx) "
I wouldn't bet on him running again, but who knows.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
I would. He still is a senator. He's young. He's not done yet.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:43 PM (/NlFx) "
I wouldn't bet on him running again, but who knows.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
I would. He still is a senator. He's young. He's not done yet.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (2El4P)
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Meh, Hillary(!)'s going to die a week into the presidency anyway.
Posted by: Turd Ferugson at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (VAsIq)
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Will this be a flame thread? Because I have some zingers!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (bqa+Z)
I pray not, because this can only be a positive thing, like I said above, Trump had a gracious response, I hope his supporters follow his lead.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (bqa+Z)
I pray not, because this can only be a positive thing, like I said above, Trump had a gracious response, I hope his supporters follow his lead.
Posted by: spypeach at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (nyYhO)
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Hillary. Focus your fire on Hillary. Not each other. She's the enemy, she's the danger, she's the evil. She is who must be defeated.
Turn that anger at the bad guys.
Turn that anger at the bad guys.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (39g3+)
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Now the NeverTrumpers will be an even smaller minority that demand to be catered to.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (+wjl1)
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If they get in your way, run them over.
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Hey! Watch your language there!
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Hey! Watch your language there!
Posted by: Perfessors Anonymous at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (/m8T6)
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Trump's first act as Preezy should be to either place Cruz on the Supremes or as head of DOJ.
Diana Ross would be pleased.
Diana Ross would be pleased.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (ej1L0)
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41 nicely done, Don.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (Sfs6o)
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I'm glad he did, but does it really matter?
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (kL1bp)
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Trump campaign needs to start rolling ads of Bernie saying Hillary is unfit to be POTUS. That'll frost her abundant ass.
Posted by: Hank at September 23, 2016 05:53 PM (XuLYU)
52
Grump928 said it best - (paraphrasing poorly)
"The (Nevertrumpers) are like those WW II Japanese soldiers that would turn up on deserted islands during the sixties still fighting the war."
"The (Nevertrumpers) are like those WW II Japanese soldiers that would turn up on deserted islands during the sixties still fighting the war."
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 05:53 PM (zu88C)
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He still has to go back.
Posted by: withcruzyoulose at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (Il4fy)
54
Well, this could get interesting.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (0mRoj)
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I figured the NeverTrumpers would get on the Trump train after Monday. It looks like NC is going to be a blowout for Hillary. The next 8 years are going to suck hard. So, so hard.
Posted by: Josh Earnest at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (7wyDO)
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>>>It's not like I've made a comprehensive study, but I really have tried to understand the NeverTrumper preference for Hillary over Trump, and I think they're just slightly nuts about the whole subject,
yes. They've gone deranged. That Louise Mensch over at Heat Street was tweeting that everyone was enjoying their Saturday night in Chelsea, having gelato and enjoying the breeze, denying that anything untoward had happened, just because the "Trumpkins" were saying a bomb had gone off.
Even after it was revealed it had been a bomb, and 29 people had shrapnel in them (one in serious condition), she scoffed at it as "minor injuries" and sang the Obama theme song (Everything is Awesome; There is No Terrorism If You Just Refuse to Admit There Is).
It's a frankly liberal contingent of the party and i for one won't mind seeing the backs of them.
yes. They've gone deranged. That Louise Mensch over at Heat Street was tweeting that everyone was enjoying their Saturday night in Chelsea, having gelato and enjoying the breeze, denying that anything untoward had happened, just because the "Trumpkins" were saying a bomb had gone off.
Even after it was revealed it had been a bomb, and 29 people had shrapnel in them (one in serious condition), she scoffed at it as "minor injuries" and sang the Obama theme song (Everything is Awesome; There is No Terrorism If You Just Refuse to Admit There Is).
It's a frankly liberal contingent of the party and i for one won't mind seeing the backs of them.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
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Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
Posted by: ace
From one post? Impressive.
Posted by: ace
From one post? Impressive.
Posted by: Turd Ferugson at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (VAsIq)
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way early for OT, but the threads aren't lasting long today:
poor innocent victim of racism was convicted felon with a record of shooting at police.
but lets riot anyway!
www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/ breaking-keith-scott-fired-gun-police-2005/
poor innocent victim of racism was convicted felon with a record of shooting at police.
but lets riot anyway!
www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/ breaking-keith-scott-fired-gun-police-2005/
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (/aSql)
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"I look forward to working with him for many years to come in order to make America great again."
Phrasing!!!
Phrasing!!!
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (3myMJ)
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33 >>>22 I don't understand why the #NeverTrumpers won't fall in line!
*takes another shit on them*
Posted by: Trump Boosters
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I don't care anymore. There are more important things than your feeewings.
Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
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Well said. Nicely done.
*takes another shit on them*
Posted by: Trump Boosters
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I don't care anymore. There are more important things than your feeewings.
Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
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Well said. Nicely done.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (yNyJy)
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45 Hillary. Focus your fire on Hillary. Not each other. She's the enemy, she's the danger, she's the evil. She is who must be defeated.
Turn that anger at the bad guys.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (39g3+)
I said something to that effect to a NeverTrumper I happen to know. Said person got real pissy.
Turn that anger at the bad guys.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 05:52 PM (39g3+)
I said something to that effect to a NeverTrumper I happen to know. Said person got real pissy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (0mRoj)
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I heard a lefty poo-poo terror weekend the other day. Unbelievable that this is where we're at.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (kL1bp)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (zu88C)
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Ted's FB commenters consists of a large group w congratulatory statements and another large segment "how dare you." Some people were even bragging about how voting for hillary in their swing state was a badge of honor.
Posted by: ever at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (kronK)
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Beck has become increasingly nasty about Trump which is his right but talking about his principles while casting a vote for Johnson or Hillary is a bridge to far for me to understand.
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (oiNtH)
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And look, I harbor no delusions about Ted Cruz being some sort of superman. I'm sure this decision came after a long talk with his campaign team and his fundraisers. But at the end of the day, he endorsed a guy who said some pretty vile shit about his family because it's the right thing to do, and because he knows this nation can't withstand 4/8 years of President Grannybot 2.1.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (kumBu)
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But I'm sure they'd just call Tom Hanks a Trumpkin Sellout.
Halloween will be fun this year.
Trumpkin: Big Round Orange ...
But I'm sure they'd just call Tom Hanks a Trumpkin Sellout.
Halloween will be fun this year.
Trumpkin: Big Round Orange ...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (qCMvj)
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Hank: "That'll frost her abundant ass."
Are either of those things possible? How could she get colder? Or ass more abundant? You're trying to defy physics, man!
Are either of those things possible? How could she get colder? Or ass more abundant? You're trying to defy physics, man!
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (1CroS)
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It is interesting that the Hillary candidacy even still a thing.
As a conservative I completely oppose what she will do as president - she will take the country 180 degrees from the direction it should go in - and any "conservative" that supports her is no conservative.
But even liberals should oppose her. Yes, they support her drive for ever increasing control over the population, but a larger government requires better, less corrupt politicians. If the progressive utopia is to work its going to require men and women of unreproachable integrity and yet the left offers up the most corrupt politician in American history/
As a conservative I completely oppose what she will do as president - she will take the country 180 degrees from the direction it should go in - and any "conservative" that supports her is no conservative.
But even liberals should oppose her. Yes, they support her drive for ever increasing control over the population, but a larger government requires better, less corrupt politicians. If the progressive utopia is to work its going to require men and women of unreproachable integrity and yet the left offers up the most corrupt politician in American history/
Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (oyTLT)
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I've been a huge Ted Cruz fan since before he won his Senate seat. I was heartbroken when he went down in the primaries and aghast at Trump. I still have a hard time taking Trump seriously and every time I read some bit of news that makes it sound like Hillary is flaming out, my chuckle of delight is followed by the cold splash of water that is the realization whatever hurts her benefits Trump.
Now, I know a lot of people here are down on National Review (and not without cause -- that Kevin Williamson article was one of the most tone-deaf things I've ever read from a conservative publication), but I was put in mind of a recent Jay Nordlinger article, where he implores Trump fans to consider the rumor that GHW Bush is voting for Hillary says something about where the Republican party has gone. Fair enough. I like Nordlinger, even if he's fey and twee ... actually, that's kind of why I like him. It can't be firebreathing all the time.
But now that Cruz has come out in support of Trump, isn't it time for Cruz supporters like me (and like Jay) to sit down and say, hey, maybe I can vote for this guy. Reluctantly, sure, but *how bad is Hillary* if Cruz, who has every reason to lambaste Trump, came out and publicly endorsed him?
Since I live in NYC, who I vote for is pretty much an academic matter anyway. But if Trump is what we've got, maybe it's best to just swallow my pride and pull the lever.
Besides...much as I might not care for the man personally, or believe he's going to enact conservative policy, watching the heads explode after the election will be *delicious.*
Now, I know a lot of people here are down on National Review (and not without cause -- that Kevin Williamson article was one of the most tone-deaf things I've ever read from a conservative publication), but I was put in mind of a recent Jay Nordlinger article, where he implores Trump fans to consider the rumor that GHW Bush is voting for Hillary says something about where the Republican party has gone. Fair enough. I like Nordlinger, even if he's fey and twee ... actually, that's kind of why I like him. It can't be firebreathing all the time.
But now that Cruz has come out in support of Trump, isn't it time for Cruz supporters like me (and like Jay) to sit down and say, hey, maybe I can vote for this guy. Reluctantly, sure, but *how bad is Hillary* if Cruz, who has every reason to lambaste Trump, came out and publicly endorsed him?
Since I live in NYC, who I vote for is pretty much an academic matter anyway. But if Trump is what we've got, maybe it's best to just swallow my pride and pull the lever.
Besides...much as I might not care for the man personally, or believe he's going to enact conservative policy, watching the heads explode after the election will be *delicious.*
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (T9DQN)
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I don't understand the Cruz calculus in waiting. Sure he may have been disappointed/mad/pissed/whatever, but by waiting this long he made himself look like a sore loser.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)
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I think he truly has sat, thought, and prayed about it. There was a lot of anger and upset in him from the primaries. He needed some time to think things over. I don't see anything wrong with that., personally.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)
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I think he truly has sat, thought, and prayed about it. There was a lot of anger and upset in him from the primaries. He needed some time to think things over. I don't see anything wrong with that., personally.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (+eR2D)
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Hillary!!11!! is my gal.
Posted by: George Herbert Walker Franklin Delano H. H. H. Bush at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (Tyii7)
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It's a frankly liberal contingent of the party and i for one won't mind seeing the backs of them.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
Do you think any of them might be Conservative? How about Ben Shapiro, who feels that electing Trump will result in two authoritarian parties and Conservatives without an electoral or media vehicle?
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
Do you think any of them might be Conservative? How about Ben Shapiro, who feels that electing Trump will result in two authoritarian parties and Conservatives without an electoral or media vehicle?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 05:57 PM (mFkVC)
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Yes, I care very much about my family. Hey Amanda, is there any cheese left?
Posted by: Ted Cruz at September 23, 2016 05:57 PM (Il4fy)
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"I'm glad he did, but does it really matter?"
my question exactly; maybe to tighten things in Utah and Nevada, that's about it;
my question exactly; maybe to tighten things in Utah and Nevada, that's about it;
Posted by: runner at September 23, 2016 05:57 PM (c6/9Q)
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Good. I would've been ok with him staying out of it too, but either way we're gonna need the constitutional type guys, even the ones who don't support Trump or barely do.
This applies regardless of who wins the presidential election.
This applies regardless of who wins the presidential election.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 23, 2016 05:57 PM (ozZau)
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Does this end our own Civil War reenactment?
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (r1fLd)
No, we still have Palmito Ranch, but that is scheduled for next May.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 05:48 PM (r1fLd)
No, we still have Palmito Ranch, but that is scheduled for next May.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (KOBAq)
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Politico has a story saying the Trump team is building a psychological profile of Hillary based on her years of debates to help prepare Trump.
Monday could be EPIC!
Monday could be EPIC!
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (/NlFx)
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And really, this seems like a Komen damned if you do moment.
Maybe it'll play well for him as people forget over the years, and maybe it'll convince some of #NeverTrump to hold their noses, but my magic 8 ball is saying it'll be a wash for Trump and hurt Cruz.
But I'm wrong a lot.
Maybe it'll play well for him as people forget over the years, and maybe it'll convince some of #NeverTrump to hold their noses, but my magic 8 ball is saying it'll be a wash for Trump and hurt Cruz.
But I'm wrong a lot.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (kL1bp)
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It looks like NC is going to be a blowout for Hillary.
It does?
Her supporters are burning the place down. That's good for clinton?
It looks like NC is going to be a blowout for Hillary.
It does?
Her supporters are burning the place down. That's good for clinton?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (xLvb0)
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And look, I harbor no delusions about Ted Cruz being some sort of superman. I'm sure this decision came after a long talk with his campaign team and his fundraisers. But at the end of the day, he endorsed a guy who said some pretty vile shit about his family because it's the right thing to do, and because he knows this nation can't withstand 4/8 years of President Grannybot 2.1.
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This.
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This.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (/m8T6)
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Cue question from reporter at the next Trump press conference asking about Cruz's dad...
Posted by: junior at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (amCAe)
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Yeah, but the lot of you are still jerks. EVERY ONE OF YOU.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut -In at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (CjiBa)
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Ben Shapiro has a lot of growing up to do; he is a legend in his own mind
Posted by: runner at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (c6/9Q)
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Well good for Ted. Been waiting for this. I gave Ted a lot of money, glad it wasn't spent on a complete egomaniac.
There is just two choices: Trump or Hillary. Every vote helps her or helps him.
There is just two choices: Trump or Hillary. Every vote helps her or helps him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (dGW8H)
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Politico has a story saying the Trump team is building a psychological profile of Hillary based on her years of debates to help prepare Trump.
Monday could be EPIC!
Posted by: Stateless Infidel
He just needs to go cross-eyed at her.
Monday could be EPIC!
Posted by: Stateless Infidel
He just needs to go cross-eyed at her.
Posted by: Turd Ferugson at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (VAsIq)
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Beck blew a fuse sometime in...I guess 2011? He seems to honestly think he's a prophet now.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (kumBu)
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At this point, I really don't care all that much if a NeverTrump voter is offended for people calling them out on their stupidity.
When the primary was still raw? Sure. But like 6 weeks from Election Day and you're still saying Hillary would be better for America?
When the primary was still raw? Sure. But like 6 weeks from Election Day and you're still saying Hillary would be better for America?
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (fgAYu)
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Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (+eR2D)
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I voted for Cruz in the primary - and I don't mean this to be particularly critical, I just don't see the political advantage in waiting so long. I hear what you're saying, I just think the optics of the delay are unfortunate.
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I voted for Cruz in the primary - and I don't mean this to be particularly critical, I just don't see the political advantage in waiting so long. I hear what you're saying, I just think the optics of the delay are unfortunate.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (Sfs6o)
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I think he truly has sat, thought, and prayed about it. There was a lot of anger and upset in him from the primaries. He needed some time to think things over. I don't see anything wrong with that., personally.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (+eR2D)
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He needed the Mercers' money. Ultimately, that was more important then his deep ideological disagreement with Trump and Trump's insistence that his wife was ugly, his father helped kill JFK, and he had a string of mistresses.
He's a politician.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (+eR2D)
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He needed the Mercers' money. Ultimately, that was more important then his deep ideological disagreement with Trump and Trump's insistence that his wife was ugly, his father helped kill JFK, and he had a string of mistresses.
He's a politician.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (xLvb0)
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (/aSql)
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I wonder if Jeb is snarling a bit.
I wonder if Jeb is snarling a bit.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (5o5ek)
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"I'd LOVE to see Cruz as a hatchetman carving up government agencies."
While that would be entertaining in the sort term, I'd rather have him on the Supreme Court. He's pretty young, and would be the gift that keeps on giving in that position.
While that would be entertaining in the sort term, I'd rather have him on the Supreme Court. He's pretty young, and would be the gift that keeps on giving in that position.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (2LHUN)
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Hardest Hit: National Review
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (M+Lyo)
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Ted Cruz Endorses Donald Trump
Okay ... but first you will blow me.
No one cares who Cruz votes for or endorses or likes or doesn't like or anything.
Okay ... but first you will blow me.
No one cares who Cruz votes for or endorses or likes or doesn't like or anything.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (zc3Db)
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I think Trump should surreptitiously shoot rubber bands at Hillary during the debate.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (2cS/G)
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Ace, will you be live-blogging the debates on Monday?
My "shots!" words:
HAHHHrribul
Terrific!
Crooked
My "shots!" words:
HAHHHrribul
Terrific!
Crooked
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Glamping at the Kamps at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (jR7Wy)
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>>>Halloween will be fun this year.
Trumpkin: Big Round Orange ...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (qCMvj)<<<
Don-O-Lantern: A Jack-O-Lantern with the stringy guts scooped out, placed on top, and styled like Teh Donald's do. They're gonna be yuuuuge.
Trumpkin: Big Round Orange ...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (qCMvj)<<<
Don-O-Lantern: A Jack-O-Lantern with the stringy guts scooped out, placed on top, and styled like Teh Donald's do. They're gonna be yuuuuge.
Posted by: a T-Rex trying to rub one out at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (H9MG5)
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Trump needs to hire Jake the Snake Roberts to teach him how to get inside someone's head.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (kL1bp)
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Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (kumBu)
I think Cruz has been working on the timing of this for some time and knew all along he would endorse Trump.
And I don't see anything wrong with that either.
I think Cruz has been working on the timing of this for some time and knew all along he would endorse Trump.
And I don't see anything wrong with that either.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (3myMJ)
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Better late than never. This does help as it makes those still uneasy about voting for Trump feel that it's OK to do so.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (kTF2Z)
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I don't understand why the #NeverTrumpers won't fall in line!
*takes another shit on them*
Posted by: Trump Boosters
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I don't care anymore. There are more important things than your feeewings.
Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
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Well said. Nicely done.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (yNyJy)
it's their egos
they CANNOT admit they are wrong
they will have to live with themselves, and they will continue to slap each other on the back - the small clique that believes their own bs
*takes another shit on them*
Posted by: Trump Boosters
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I don't care anymore. There are more important things than your feeewings.
Go join the Democrats. You seem to swing that way anyhow.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
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Well said. Nicely done.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at September 23, 2016 05:55 PM (yNyJy)
it's their egos
they CANNOT admit they are wrong
they will have to live with themselves, and they will continue to slap each other on the back - the small clique that believes their own bs
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (qCMvj)
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Hey, the elections in the bag... Kim Kardasian is rethinking voting for Hillary and is thinking of voting for Trump! No there's an endorsement...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (O2RFr)
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Good move by Cruz, and it restores my respect for him. He put aside personal anger (some real) and pride for the good of the republic. I don't care if he is partially motivated for political gain either, it still results in something that is positive for the republic.
It also does something which Ace gets at: It removes the blanket that NeverTrumpers have been hiding behind for protection. Many people have pointed out the Never Trump movement is led by people who hate Cruz and his supporters. That they only used him as cover and foil so they could say how "conservative" and "principled" they are.
Now that protective shield is gone...and exposed for what they are.
It also does something which Ace gets at: It removes the blanket that NeverTrumpers have been hiding behind for protection. Many people have pointed out the Never Trump movement is led by people who hate Cruz and his supporters. That they only used him as cover and foil so they could say how "conservative" and "principled" they are.
Now that protective shield is gone...and exposed for what they are.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (KhJh8)
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I think Trump should surreptitiously shoot rubber bands at Hillary during the debate.
LOL, i was thinking the same thing, or drop something on the floor to make a "BANG"
LOL, i was thinking the same thing, or drop something on the floor to make a "BANG"
Posted by: runner at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (c6/9Q)
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Should I fire up Skype? Too soon?
Posted by: Tony Weiner at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (Tyii7)
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It looks like NC is going to be a blowout for Hillary.
It does?
Her supporters are burning the place down. That's good for clinton?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (xLvb0)
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I'll swear, it seems like Charlotte riots have pushed her numbers up everywhere. Go figure.
It looks like NC is going to be a blowout for Hillary.
It does?
Her supporters are burning the place down. That's good for clinton?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (xLvb0)
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I'll swear, it seems like Charlotte riots have pushed her numbers up everywhere. Go figure.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (5o5ek)
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[stolen from ZeroHedge]
NEWS BULLETIN, ACTUAL COMMUNIQUE FROM GOD TO TED CRUZ:
God: "Ted, either you vote for the golden haired one, or I will slow roast you in the hottest corner of hell"
Cruz: "But Lord, he said bad things about the love of my life"
God: "I will take care of Goldman Sachs later"
NEWS BULLETIN, ACTUAL COMMUNIQUE FROM GOD TO TED CRUZ:
God: "Ted, either you vote for the golden haired one, or I will slow roast you in the hottest corner of hell"
Cruz: "But Lord, he said bad things about the love of my life"
God: "I will take care of Goldman Sachs later"
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (tvyXw)
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I think Trump should surreptitiously shoot rubber bands at Hillary during the debate.
Posted by: Lincolntf
Inflate a paper bag and pop it. Then watch her twitch and piss herself.
Posted by: Lincolntf
Inflate a paper bag and pop it. Then watch her twitch and piss herself.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (DqKNm)
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Shapiro started sniffing his own farts way too young.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kL1bp)
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I think Cruz has been working on the timing of this for some time and knew all along he would endorse Trump.
And I don't see anything wrong with that either.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (3myMJ)
I agree.
I thought it would be Monday morning, versus Friday Dump before weekend before debate.
And I don't see anything wrong with that either.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (3myMJ)
I agree.
I thought it would be Monday morning, versus Friday Dump before weekend before debate.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (qCMvj)
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Waiting to see Kim Kardashian will endorse next.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kBiSH)
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"Cue question from reporter at the next Trump press conference asking about Cruz's dad...
Posted by: junior at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (amCAe) "
Easy to de-fuse if he plays it right. "I've talked to Rafael since then - it was just a misunderstanding. He's a great man - huge patriot. Loves this country, just like his son."
Posted by: junior at September 23, 2016 05:58 PM (amCAe) "
Easy to de-fuse if he plays it right. "I've talked to Rafael since then - it was just a misunderstanding. He's a great man - huge patriot. Loves this country, just like his son."
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kumBu)
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18-1 @69 nails it as well. Small "L" liberals should indeed oppose Hillary.
Because she opposes Liberalism. She opposes the Bill of Rights. Anyone who likes living in a free society should close their eyes and vote Trump because the alternative just plain stinks to high heaven.
Because she opposes Liberalism. She opposes the Bill of Rights. Anyone who likes living in a free society should close their eyes and vote Trump because the alternative just plain stinks to high heaven.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (/m8T6)
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I voted for Cruz in the primary - and I don't mean this to be particularly critical, I just don't see the political advantage in waiting so long. I hear what you're saying, I just think the optics of the delay are unfortunate.
Posted by: Weasel
It's purely to save face for ted Cruz.
it's like in the movie Old School where Will Ferrell's character thinks everybody else is behind him when he decides to go streaking.
Cruz was out there naked with only like Glenn Beck and decided to put his clothes back on
Posted by: Weasel
It's purely to save face for ted Cruz.
it's like in the movie Old School where Will Ferrell's character thinks everybody else is behind him when he decides to go streaking.
Cruz was out there naked with only like Glenn Beck and decided to put his clothes back on
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (fgAYu)
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38 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (kumBu)
There were genuine Cruz fans, of which I am an original member.
There are the "I am a cool kid too!" GOPe fans who settled on Cruz as the (barely) acceptable alternative to Orange Toupee Weasel.
We either unify or Mooch and Eddie Munster allow her to tilt the judiciary to the point dissent is academic.
When the donks get that last SCOTUS Justice needed codified, partisanly weaponized government will have judicial assent.
There were genuine Cruz fans, of which I am an original member.
There are the "I am a cool kid too!" GOPe fans who settled on Cruz as the (barely) acceptable alternative to Orange Toupee Weasel.
We either unify or Mooch and Eddie Munster allow her to tilt the judiciary to the point dissent is academic.
When the donks get that last SCOTUS Justice needed codified, partisanly weaponized government will have judicial assent.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (SzZnW)
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Beck blew a fuse sometime in...I guess 2011? He seems to honestly think he's a prophet now.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
He sure does. He brags about things that happen and says that he predicted them years ago. Didn't I tell you all?! I called it! I am right!!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
He sure does. He brags about things that happen and says that he predicted them years ago. Didn't I tell you all?! I called it! I am right!!
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (qCMvj)
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And then Trump posted this on Twitter:
"Who should star in a reboot of Liar Liar- Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz? Let me know."
"Who should star in a reboot of Liar Liar- Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz? Let me know."
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (Kucy5)
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Well good for Ted. Been waiting for this. I gave Ted a lot of money, glad it wasn't spent on a complete egomaniac.
There is just two choices: Trump or Hillary. Every vote helps her or helps him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (dGW8H)
my husband is still upset at what i sent him.....got a call from his people last week asking to help with his senate campaign....i had helped him the first go round....i put them on hold.....now i feel comfortable sending him something......
Well good for Ted. Been waiting for this. I gave Ted a lot of money, glad it wasn't spent on a complete egomaniac.
There is just two choices: Trump or Hillary. Every vote helps her or helps him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (dGW8H)
my husband is still upset at what i sent him.....got a call from his people last week asking to help with his senate campaign....i had helped him the first go round....i put them on hold.....now i feel comfortable sending him something......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (0O7c5)
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I hope this puts the final stake through the heart of the idiotic #NeverTrump movement.
Twitter is currently awash in their tears.
Twitter is currently awash in their tears.
Posted by: TexasJew at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (o+7sH)
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another OT, this one a question
Obola just vetoed the "Sue the Saudis" bill, which passed both houses unanimously.
how pissed off will Present-Snit 4-Putt be if they override him?
Obola just vetoed the "Sue the Saudis" bill, which passed both houses unanimously.
how pissed off will Present-Snit 4-Putt be if they override him?
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (/aSql)
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The nevertrumpers are awful people. The most important thing for them right now is one thing: Donald Trump losing.
Why?
To humiliate You.
They figure all you idiots will fall back in line and things will go back to the status quo where You eat Shit Sandwiches and like it.
The nevertrumpers are awful people. The most important thing for them right now is one thing: Donald Trump losing.
Why?
To humiliate You.
They figure all you idiots will fall back in line and things will go back to the status quo where You eat Shit Sandwiches and like it.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (xLvb0)
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Better late than never. It was time.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (UpGcq)
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Regarding the polls.....I just don't see how they really be all over the place like they are.....
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (O2RFr)
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From Drudge: Clinton demands step stool at debate podium to add height.
I think, in the interest of fairness, Trump should get one too.
I think, in the interest of fairness, Trump should get one too.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Glamping at the Kamps at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (jR7Wy)
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111 Shapiro started sniffing his own farts way too young.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kL1bp)
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Ok, folks don't like Shapiro. Not surprising.
Now, on the day when donors and GOPe leaders pressured one of the few Conservative opponents into bowing to Trump, why is it improbable that a Trump victory will turn the party fully Trumpian?
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kL1bp)
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Ok, folks don't like Shapiro. Not surprising.
Now, on the day when donors and GOPe leaders pressured one of the few Conservative opponents into bowing to Trump, why is it improbable that a Trump victory will turn the party fully Trumpian?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (mFkVC)
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"I am greatly honored by the endorsement of Senator Cruz. We have fought the battle and he was a tough and brilliant opponent," Trump responded in a press release Friday afternoon. "I look forward to working with him for many years to come in order to make America great again."
perfect
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Yup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (Nwg0u)
So both Trump and Cruz have shown they can let it go. Originally Cruz said he wouldn't endorse Trump and Trump said if he did, he wouldn't accept it.
Both have moved on and so should their supporters.
perfect
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Yup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (Nwg0u)
So both Trump and Cruz have shown they can let it go. Originally Cruz said he wouldn't endorse Trump and Trump said if he did, he wouldn't accept it.
Both have moved on and so should their supporters.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (ntZAP)
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It's a frankly liberal contingent of the party and i for one won't mind seeing the backs of them.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
I disagree. I think the majority of the public figures who are #NeverTrumpers are acquisitive douchebags who are guarding their connections to the mainstream parties.
Intellectually many of them are conservative, but when it comes to supporting the gadfly who might disrupt their lives then they lose all sense of perspective, and vote their wallets and their cultural tribe.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
I disagree. I think the majority of the public figures who are #NeverTrumpers are acquisitive douchebags who are guarding their connections to the mainstream parties.
Intellectually many of them are conservative, but when it comes to supporting the gadfly who might disrupt their lives then they lose all sense of perspective, and vote their wallets and their cultural tribe.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (1CroS)
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"Hey, the elections in the bag... Kim Kardasian is rethinking voting for Hillary and is thinking of voting for Trump! No there's an endorsement...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (O2RFr) "
Well, I mean, her step-dad (step-mom? step-thing? step-it?) is Trump's VP, so I would assume that's a given.
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (O2RFr) "
Well, I mean, her step-dad (step-mom? step-thing? step-it?) is Trump's VP, so I would assume that's a given.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (kumBu)
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Well, the #NeverTrumpers seem to be taking this well ---
Oh my God! Amanda Carpenter just set herself on fire and is running down the street trailing a cloud of black smoke and burning embers!
Well, the #NeverTrumpers seem to be taking this well ---
Oh my God! Amanda Carpenter just set herself on fire and is running down the street trailing a cloud of black smoke and burning embers!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (kdS6q)
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Careful Hillary, don't fall down off that step-stool.
Posted by: Trump at the Debate at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (XoldI)
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What'd he do to his father?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (GcpvU)
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Obama Vetoes Bill Allowing 9/11 Families To Sue Saudi Arabia
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (IqV8l)
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Both have moved on and so should their supporters.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (ntZAP)
^^^this^^^
Posted by: Jen the original at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (ntZAP)
^^^this^^^
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (0O7c5)
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"Without a doubt, of the two choices, it's Donald Trump, and not Hillary Clinton, who has had the longest track record and greatest success at corrupting the government."
Maybe I'm crazy but isn't the meaning of this sentence opposite from Ace is saying. The syntax is off to me. Took me a while....
Maybe I'm crazy but isn't the meaning of this sentence opposite from Ace is saying. The syntax is off to me. Took me a while....
Posted by: DepressedSF at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (zn1B2)
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I think Trump should surreptitiously shoot rubber bands at Hillary during the debate.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (2cS/G)
Shoot paper clips with rubber band slingshots ... likely Harvey Korman in High Anxiety.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 23, 2016 06:00 PM (2cS/G)
Shoot paper clips with rubber band slingshots ... likely Harvey Korman in High Anxiety.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (zc3Db)
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I was a Cruz voter. I'm glad to see Cruz do the endorsement.
With that said, if Trump had said the things about my father that he said about Cruz's I would have punched the taste out of his mouth and let it go at that instead of holding off on the endorsement.
With that said, if Trump had said the things about my father that he said about Cruz's I would have punched the taste out of his mouth and let it go at that instead of holding off on the endorsement.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (zu88C)
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73 Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 05:57 PM (mFkVC)
Bennie will need to show the math on how allowing the 2d personally trained by Alinsky communist in a row is a smart move on the chess board.
Bennie will need to show the math on how allowing the 2d personally trained by Alinsky communist in a row is a smart move on the chess board.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 23, 2016 06:06 PM (SzZnW)
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I'd like to believe this instead makes everyone turn and face Hillary to destroy her, stop her, prevent her from winning. That's my hope. I don't care if someone didn't like Trump or not, or didn't want to vote for him.
I want Hillary to lose, period.
I want Hillary to lose, period.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:06 PM (39g3+)
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I think Trump should surreptitiously shoot rubber bands at Hillary during the debate.
LOL, i was thinking the same thing, or drop something on the floor to make a "BANG"
Posted by: runner at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (c6/9Q)
Strobe light lapel pin.
High frequency dog whistle.
And, shoe lifts.
LOL, i was thinking the same thing, or drop something on the floor to make a "BANG"
Posted by: runner at September 23, 2016 06:01 PM (c6/9Q)
Strobe light lapel pin.
High frequency dog whistle.
And, shoe lifts.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:06 PM (qCMvj)
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Didn't Cruz win WI? Wouldn't he be an asset there?
Posted by: ever at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (kronK)
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I read that Mark Cuban has been invited to the debate on Monday in a front row seat. He has been tweeting about how HRC is going to blow Trump away and he will be trolling Trump in the front row.
Hey Mark, I wouldn't be laying bets on this if I were you. I don't imagine Trump is going to shrivel at the sight of you and your candidate is likely to go grammie-insane-cough-fart-hiss during the debate.
Hey Mark, I wouldn't be laying bets on this if I were you. I don't imagine Trump is going to shrivel at the sight of you and your candidate is likely to go grammie-insane-cough-fart-hiss during the debate.
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (oiNtH)
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"I just think the optics of the delay are unfortunate."
Posted by: Weasel
You are too far into the weeds. This endorsement is not even a flea on an elephant compared to what happens at the debate.
Posted by: Weasel
You are too far into the weeds. This endorsement is not even a flea on an elephant compared to what happens at the debate.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (3myMJ)
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Must have a little fun tonight, 'cause I sure as hell didn't have a fun week. While I respect those, like Trump, who do not drink or whose bodies/brains are easily addicted and won't permit drinking, I have different problems and so I intend to drink. I'm thinking a martini to start.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (/m8T6)
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I think running Obama talking about Hillary interspliced with Bernie ripping on her would be good campaign ads for Trump.
He doesn't even have to speak. Just run them, then a short bit of him standing looking presidential with a knowing grin on his face.
He doesn't even have to speak. Just run them, then a short bit of him standing looking presidential with a knowing grin on his face.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (39g3+)
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"Easy to de-fuse if he plays it right. "I've talked to Rafael since then - it was just a misunderstanding. He's a great man - huge patriot. Loves this country, just like his son."
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kumBu) "
What if Trump doesn't say that? What if he quadruple-downs on it again?
If Cruz's endorsement have come at the same time as Trump repudiating the smear against his father and family, then I can shrug and say 'politics is politics.' If Trump doesn't repudiate the smear or he brings it up again, then Cruz becomes a man who was willing to sacrifice his own family for expediency.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:02 PM (kumBu) "
What if Trump doesn't say that? What if he quadruple-downs on it again?
If Cruz's endorsement have come at the same time as Trump repudiating the smear against his father and family, then I can shrug and say 'politics is politics.' If Trump doesn't repudiate the smear or he brings it up again, then Cruz becomes a man who was willing to sacrifice his own family for expediency.
Posted by: TKYC at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (Enheb)
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Person, we don't have a voice now.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (kL1bp)
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>>>It's purely to save face for ted Cruz.
it's like in the movie Old School where Will Ferrell's character thinks everybody else is behind him when he decides to go streaking.
Cruz was out there naked with only like Glenn Beck and decided to put his clothes back on
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (fgAYu)
Spot on, and I'd like to see the fags at NR come up with this kind of analysis.
it's like in the movie Old School where Will Ferrell's character thinks everybody else is behind him when he decides to go streaking.
Cruz was out there naked with only like Glenn Beck and decided to put his clothes back on
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (fgAYu)
Spot on, and I'd like to see the fags at NR come up with this kind of analysis.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (bqa+Z)
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The Nevertrumpers do not care about Conservatism. They don't. They're full of shit. Even Glenn Beck. They are not Conservatives.
The nevertrumpers were the ones in 2012 who did not care about defeating obama.
The Nevertrumpers are the ones who secretly like everything obama has done.
They are totalitarian Republicans who are loyal to Big Government lobbyists and want what the Democrats have -- the power, the graft, and unaccountability.
The Nevertrumpers do not care about Conservatism. They don't. They're full of shit. Even Glenn Beck. They are not Conservatives.
The nevertrumpers were the ones in 2012 who did not care about defeating obama.
The Nevertrumpers are the ones who secretly like everything obama has done.
They are totalitarian Republicans who are loyal to Big Government lobbyists and want what the Democrats have -- the power, the graft, and unaccountability.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (xLvb0)
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I read that Mark Cuban has been invited to the debate on Monday in a front row seat. He has been tweeting about how HRC is going to blow Trump away and he will be trolling Trump in the front row.
Hey Mark, I wouldn't be laying bets on this if I were you. I don't imagine Trump is going to shrivel at the sight of you and your candidate is likely to go grammie-insane-cough-fart-hiss during the debate.
Posted by: Cheri
I saw this as well, and Trump's campaign should have him tossed if that's what he's promising
Hey Mark, I wouldn't be laying bets on this if I were you. I don't imagine Trump is going to shrivel at the sight of you and your candidate is likely to go grammie-insane-cough-fart-hiss during the debate.
Posted by: Cheri
I saw this as well, and Trump's campaign should have him tossed if that's what he's promising
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:08 PM (fgAYu)
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Ok, folks don't like Shapiro. Not surprising.
Now, on the day when donors and GOPe leaders pressured one of the few Conservative opponents into bowing to Trump, why is it improbable that a Trump victory will turn the party fully Trumpian?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (mFkVC)
I have always loved Shapiro, but he's just wrong here.
Can I have a ride on your Harley?
Now, on the day when donors and GOPe leaders pressured one of the few Conservative opponents into bowing to Trump, why is it improbable that a Trump victory will turn the party fully Trumpian?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (mFkVC)
I have always loved Shapiro, but he's just wrong here.
Can I have a ride on your Harley?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:08 PM (qCMvj)
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Mark Cuban is just angry and hurt he didn't think of it first. Those billionaire guys all dislike and envy each other because for them its about winning. Trump is winning now at the game and they hate that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (39g3+)
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I saw this as well, and Trump's campaign should have him tossed if that's what he's promising
And He admits being invited by Hillary's campaign... Maybe trump can get the Benghazi families in the front row...
I saw this as well, and Trump's campaign should have him tossed if that's what he's promising
And He admits being invited by Hillary's campaign... Maybe trump can get the Benghazi families in the front row...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (3myMJ)
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Didn't Cruz win WI? Wouldn't he be an asset there?
Posted by: ever at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (kronK)
interesting point, there...maybe. we'll find out i guess
Posted by: ever at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (kronK)
interesting point, there...maybe. we'll find out i guess
Posted by: runner at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (c6/9Q)
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"Twitter is currently awash in their tears.
Posted by: TexasJew at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (o+7sH) "
I think, as noted above, most of those people were just using Cruz as a convenient aegis. I was all-in for Cruz, and it took me some time to get over the acrimony of the primary, but I realized that voting for Trump was the right thing to do months ago.
I know this is sort of a No True Scotsman fallacy ("no real Cruz supporter would still be bitter enough to threaten this country by voting for Drunk Grandma!"), and I'm sure some of them are legit Cruz true believers, but I think most of them were just using him as an excuse. "See, Cruz hasn't backed Trump either, so being #NeverTrump is the TrueCon thing to do!"
Posted by: TexasJew at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (o+7sH) "
I think, as noted above, most of those people were just using Cruz as a convenient aegis. I was all-in for Cruz, and it took me some time to get over the acrimony of the primary, but I realized that voting for Trump was the right thing to do months ago.
I know this is sort of a No True Scotsman fallacy ("no real Cruz supporter would still be bitter enough to threaten this country by voting for Drunk Grandma!"), and I'm sure some of them are legit Cruz true believers, but I think most of them were just using him as an excuse. "See, Cruz hasn't backed Trump either, so being #NeverTrump is the TrueCon thing to do!"
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (kumBu)
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Strobe light lapel pin.
High frequency dog whistle.
And, shoe lifts.
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paint "Fck You" on his eyelids
High frequency dog whistle.
And, shoe lifts.
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paint "Fck You" on his eyelids
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (zu88C)
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Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (3myMJ)
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"Unfortunate" with respect to Cruz's future political aspirations.
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"Unfortunate" with respect to Cruz's future political aspirations.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (Sfs6o)
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I read that Mark Cuban has been invited to the debate on Monday in a front row seat. He has been tweeting about how HRC is going to blow Trump away and he will be trolling Trump in the front row.
Hey Mark, I wouldn't be laying bets on this if I were you. I don't imagine Trump is going to shrivel at the sight of you and your candidate is likely to go grammie-insane-cough-fart-hiss during the debate.
Posted by: Cheri
I saw this as well, and Trump's campaign should have him tossed if that's what he's promising
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:08 PM (fgAYu)
well he DOES have a very big head
pretty scary
Hey Mark, I wouldn't be laying bets on this if I were you. I don't imagine Trump is going to shrivel at the sight of you and your candidate is likely to go grammie-insane-cough-fart-hiss during the debate.
Posted by: Cheri
I saw this as well, and Trump's campaign should have him tossed if that's what he's promising
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:08 PM (fgAYu)
well he DOES have a very big head
pretty scary
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (qCMvj)
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Hillary should stand fast to her pledge she get no advantages at the debate that Trump does not get. Feminism demands no less.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:10 PM (/m8T6)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:10 PM (zu88C)
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I had a feeling he would.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at September 23, 2016 06:10 PM (CNHr1)
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paint "Fck You" on his eyelids
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (zu88C)
oh man, yea
or temp tattoos on his knuckles
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (zu88C)
oh man, yea
or temp tattoos on his knuckles
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:10 PM (qCMvj)
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Oh my God! Amanda Carpenter just set herself on fire and is running down
the street trailing a cloud of black smoke and burning embers!
Honestly, she's taking it better than anyone expected. We figured for sure she'd put on an explosive vest and find a crowd.
the street trailing a cloud of black smoke and burning embers!
Honestly, she's taking it better than anyone expected. We figured for sure she'd put on an explosive vest and find a crowd.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 23, 2016 06:10 PM (4WhSY)
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So, Gary Johnson doesn't get to debate but Mark Cuban does?
That's interesting.
Posted by: Meremortal...
Why do I need to get to de bate? Are we going fishing?
That's interesting.
Posted by: Meremortal...
Why do I need to get to de bate? Are we going fishing?
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (DqKNm)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (xLvb0)
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Well, I'm not really going to get into this. As a Canadian, I don't officially have skin in the game, other than I think Trump would be a good, sane, counterpoint to the shabby pseudo-Obama we Canucks have in our present PM Selfie-Stick.
Donald Trump has many years' experience in successfully managing a large enterprise. And he's tried stuff, or lent his name to stuff, that has failed, too. But not on the taxpayers' dime. Hillary has had many years of coat-tail riding and graft-collecting, but I think her only actual accomplishment was squirting out Webb Hubbell's love child.
And Imma gonna go to town for a beer.
Donald Trump has many years' experience in successfully managing a large enterprise. And he's tried stuff, or lent his name to stuff, that has failed, too. But not on the taxpayers' dime. Hillary has had many years of coat-tail riding and graft-collecting, but I think her only actual accomplishment was squirting out Webb Hubbell's love child.
And Imma gonna go to town for a beer.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (Bvr/A)
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Mark Cuban was a Twitter troll before Twitter even existed. He just wants the attention.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (kumBu)
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"Why is it that #NeverTrumpers question Cruz' motives, given they get so upset if we question theirs?"
I haven't read around yet, just got home from work. Is that a thing, questioning why? I guess I'd rather he have a hidden motive than the alternative.
I believed in him. Sad day.
#Sasse2020.
I haven't read around yet, just got home from work. Is that a thing, questioning why? I guess I'd rather he have a hidden motive than the alternative.
I believed in him. Sad day.
#Sasse2020.
Posted by: Sayyid at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (Wz+TY)
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how pissed off will Present-Snit 4-Putt be if they override him?
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Nanzi P-louse says she'll vote to override.
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Nanzi P-louse says she'll vote to override.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (Nwg0u)
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Thank goodness we have a few cases of win, and plenty of scotch for Monday.
I'm going to need it.
Thank goodness we have a few cases of win, and plenty of scotch for Monday.
I'm going to need it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (qCMvj)
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164 Hillary should stand fast to her pledge she get no advantages at the debate that Trump does not get. Feminism demands no less.
I'd love to see her stroke out right there on the stage, but I'm sure she will be so pumped full of meds it won't happen...
I'd love to see her stroke out right there on the stage, but I'm sure she will be so pumped full of meds it won't happen...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (O2RFr)
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Tammy Al Thor.. if memory serves he accused Ted's father of being involved in some way with JFK's assassination. I think.. lol.. my memory sucks.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at September 23, 2016 06:12 PM (CNHr1)
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Trump should stinkpalm her at the opening handshake.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:12 PM (bqa+Z)
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At least a portion of the anti-Trump folks up to the convention were hoping against hope he'd somehow triumph and end up the nominee against all conceivable odds and reality. But after the convention, it was time to suck it up and grudgingly stop it with the Trump bashing.
I can't stand the guy personally, I think he's a giant douche and a scumbag. But Hillary is far worse. And she must lose, whatever it takes. And the more hysterical and awful the left gets over Trump, the more I want him to win, rather than just her lose. They're succeeding in making him look more attractive to me by their vitriol and rage and hate.
I can't stand the guy personally, I think he's a giant douche and a scumbag. But Hillary is far worse. And she must lose, whatever it takes. And the more hysterical and awful the left gets over Trump, the more I want him to win, rather than just her lose. They're succeeding in making him look more attractive to me by their vitriol and rage and hate.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:12 PM (39g3+)
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I am irrelevant so now I will try to get on the band wagon and come back from my devastating and rapid plummet in popularity.
Posted by: Smarmy Sweaty Ted at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (ysKvq)
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I voted for Cruz in the primary - and I don't mean this to be particularly critical, I just don't see the political advantage in waiting so long. I hear what you're saying, I just think the optics of the delay are unfortunate.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (Sfs6o)
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I voted for him too. I get the feeling that he doesn't make decisions without fully examining the situation. Yep, the optics of it taking so long suck...I wanted him to endorse at the convention...I just don't think he was personally ready at that point.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 05:59 PM (Sfs6o)
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I voted for him too. I get the feeling that he doesn't make decisions without fully examining the situation. Yep, the optics of it taking so long suck...I wanted him to endorse at the convention...I just don't think he was personally ready at that point.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (+eR2D)
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trump should make a crack about mark cuban reminding him of a cigar....something hillary's husband is intimate with.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (0O7c5)
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Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (kumBu)
Agreed. My impression was that the strongest #NeverTrumpers were DOPe that were using Cruzas bait. They were *much* too clear about their real opinion of Cruz before Trump announced his candidacy for me to be interested in joining them if I couldn't have an actual conservative.
Agreed. My impression was that the strongest #NeverTrumpers were DOPe that were using Cruzas bait. They were *much* too clear about their real opinion of Cruz before Trump announced his candidacy for me to be interested in joining them if I couldn't have an actual conservative.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (GDulk)
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141 person()
Please present your positive alternative.
I will wait here.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (zu88C)
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OK, the core difference is this: I do not believe Clinton (or Trump) will end the Republic. We will get the same apocalyptic rhetoric in 2020 and 2024, just as we got it in 2012 and 2008.
If you believe Clinton will end America, you have to vote Trump. period.
Otherwise, you can take a wider view. I believe that Trump will make the party Trumpian - that is, a big-government, European style party that disagrees with liberals mostly over who should get handouts. This will not be a momentary change - it will be a realignment that will last a decade, probably longer. During that time, no party organization will even pay lip service to Constitutional Conservatism.
Trump has many liberal tendencies. Most folks here admit that. If Trump and Clinton both present the same big-government liberal bill to the same Congress, Trump will get more support (yes, some weaselly GOPers will back Clinton's bill. More will back Trump's.)
Clinton is a lying, power-mad felon who seeks to accumulate wealth by any means. I will not vote for her. But I cannot honestly say, taking a perspective 12 years or so down the road, which candidate will be worse for the nation.
Please present your positive alternative.
I will wait here.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (zu88C)
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OK, the core difference is this: I do not believe Clinton (or Trump) will end the Republic. We will get the same apocalyptic rhetoric in 2020 and 2024, just as we got it in 2012 and 2008.
If you believe Clinton will end America, you have to vote Trump. period.
Otherwise, you can take a wider view. I believe that Trump will make the party Trumpian - that is, a big-government, European style party that disagrees with liberals mostly over who should get handouts. This will not be a momentary change - it will be a realignment that will last a decade, probably longer. During that time, no party organization will even pay lip service to Constitutional Conservatism.
Trump has many liberal tendencies. Most folks here admit that. If Trump and Clinton both present the same big-government liberal bill to the same Congress, Trump will get more support (yes, some weaselly GOPers will back Clinton's bill. More will back Trump's.)
Clinton is a lying, power-mad felon who seeks to accumulate wealth by any means. I will not vote for her. But I cannot honestly say, taking a perspective 12 years or so down the road, which candidate will be worse for the nation.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (mFkVC)
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I can't stand the guy personally
I'm not wild about him either but the alternative is too frightening ...
I'm not wild about him either but the alternative is too frightening ...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (O2RFr)
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It's purely to save face for ted Cruz.
Posted by: Maritime
He put himself in a box. By not endorsing at the convention, he was betting Trump wold crash and burn and he could run in 2020 as the prophet denied.
Oops.
Now trying to fend off enough coordinated opposition to squeak thru his next primary.
It's purely to save face for ted Cruz.
Posted by: Maritime
He put himself in a box. By not endorsing at the convention, he was betting Trump wold crash and burn and he could run in 2020 as the prophet denied.
Oops.
Now trying to fend off enough coordinated opposition to squeak thru his next primary.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (kdS6q)
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"...why is it improbable that a Trump victory will turn the party fully Trumpian?"
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (mFkVC)
For about 8,000 reasons, most of which have been detailed here by others.
But probably the biggest reason is that Trump is a cultural movement, not a political movement. If he wins he will shift the political landscape toward a more populist and, weirdly, nationalist tone, but he will not be the leader of it because he is far too much of an individual, without political connections or a coherent political philosophy.
But I think you know this and are just being argumentative.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:04 PM (mFkVC)
For about 8,000 reasons, most of which have been detailed here by others.
But probably the biggest reason is that Trump is a cultural movement, not a political movement. If he wins he will shift the political landscape toward a more populist and, weirdly, nationalist tone, but he will not be the leader of it because he is far too much of an individual, without political connections or a coherent political philosophy.
But I think you know this and are just being argumentative.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (Zu3d9)
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how pissed off will Present-Snit 4-Putt be if they override him?
Of all the stuff that's come up, this one seems the most likely to happen. Imagine his petulant rage if he gets overruled by congress.
Of all the stuff that's come up, this one seems the most likely to happen. Imagine his petulant rage if he gets overruled by congress.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (39g3+)
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Ted lacks the basic political instincts to be president. He will need to be content to be a Senator from Texas, if he can hold on to that.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (rwI+c)
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So is this Cruz's version of the Friday afternoon document drop?
I'm glad he did the endorsement but he could have picked a better day to do this.
I'm glad he did the endorsement but he could have picked a better day to do this.
Posted by: Octiparan at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (cn2r5)
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So, Gary Johnson doesn't get to debate but Mark Cuban does?
That's interesting.
Posted by: Meremortal...
Why do I need to get to de bate? Are we going fishing?
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (DqKNm)
Evidently he's gone all "Kiss."
see
http://freebeacon.com/
Cringe Worthy: Gary Johnson Sticks Tongue Out During Interview
That's interesting.
Posted by: Meremortal...
Why do I need to get to de bate? Are we going fishing?
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 23, 2016 06:11 PM (DqKNm)
Evidently he's gone all "Kiss."
see
http://freebeacon.com/
Cringe Worthy: Gary Johnson Sticks Tongue Out During Interview
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:14 PM (qCMvj)
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"Oh my God! Amanda Carpenter just set herself on fire and is running down the street trailing a cloud of black smoke and burning embers!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (kdS6q) "
The SJW/BLM Twitter brigade will get on her for culturally appropriating Richard Pryor's shtick.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:05 PM (kdS6q) "
The SJW/BLM Twitter brigade will get on her for culturally appropriating Richard Pryor's shtick.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:14 PM (kumBu)
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Richard: 120 And then Trump posted this on Twitter:
"Who should star in a reboot of Liar Liar- Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz? Let me know."
Check the date on the tweet. Happy St. Patrick's Day
"Who should star in a reboot of Liar Liar- Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz? Let me know."
Check the date on the tweet. Happy St. Patrick's Day
Posted by: TheThinMan at September 23, 2016 06:14 PM (ytC/k)
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Did anyone else see this bogus bit of "news" pushed by CNN this week?
They cited a "study" by an economic policy group that projected the debt added by each candidate if they were president.
The "study," as reported by CNN, concluded that, get this, Trump would add $5.3T to the national debt, whereas hillary's policies would add only, get this, $200B.
I.Shit.You.Not.
Did anyone else see this bogus bit of "news" pushed by CNN this week?
They cited a "study" by an economic policy group that projected the debt added by each candidate if they were president.
The "study," as reported by CNN, concluded that, get this, Trump would add $5.3T to the national debt, whereas hillary's policies would add only, get this, $200B.
I.Shit.You.Not.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:14 PM (xLvb0)
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Doesn't Cuban have an NBA team to dissolve? He should stick to blowing one thing up at a time until he's good at it and stay away from the debates.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 06:14 PM (1CroS)
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But I think you know this and are just being argumentative.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (Zu3d9)
that's his schtick
( hai CBD! What's Cookin'!? )
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (Zu3d9)
that's his schtick
( hai CBD! What's Cookin'!? )
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:15 PM (qCMvj)
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179: yes. the more extreme the vitriol, the greater the panic from the left, the better trump looks. (i'm thinking of the comic book actors, among others.)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2016 06:15 PM (WTSFk)
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Paul Ryan is an amnesty RINO amnesty traitor amnesty!!!!!!
Posted by: JohnJ at September 23, 2016 06:16 PM (s9DTK)
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I consider this a good thing.
I seriously doubt the #NeverTrumpers even liked Cruz to start with, them supporting the GoPe positions and all.
I seriously doubt the #NeverTrumpers even liked Cruz to start with, them supporting the GoPe positions and all.
Posted by: Gmac- Deplorable till death 'All politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at September 23, 2016 06:16 PM (DBwiW)
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During the debate the Trumpster shoustare straight ahead into space while Hillary is screeching
and
slowly
cross
his
left
eye.
and
slowly
cross
his
left
eye.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2016 06:16 PM (f/tWz)
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Ted lacks the basic political instincts to be president. He will need to be content to be a Senator from Texas, if he can hold on to that.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
And he also has, let's face it, the charisma of a wet dishrag.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
And he also has, let's face it, the charisma of a wet dishrag.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:16 PM (DqKNm)
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Cruz just shot northwards in my estimation.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (SRKgf)
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What does bashing Cruz or his supporters accomplish? Focus fire people. This is like being on a raid with idiots. STAY OUT OF THE BAD STUFF! TARGET THE BOSS!
Hillary is the enemy. Focus on her.
Hillary is the enemy. Focus on her.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)
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"Did anyone else see this bogus bit of 'news' pushed by CNN this week?"
No. I guess that's Reason #239,877 CNN is not being watched.
No. I guess that's Reason #239,877 CNN is not being watched.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (1CroS)
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OK, the core difference is this: I do not believe Clinton (or Trump) will end the Republic.
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OK, so you won't buy her literally ending Republican government, but perhaps you might sympathize with less apocalyptic but similar language. How about:
"She will debase the Republic to the point where our government is so corrupt it cannot function without crony spending and pay-for-play, even in the most minor circumstances".
----------------------------------------------------
OK, so you won't buy her literally ending Republican government, but perhaps you might sympathize with less apocalyptic but similar language. How about:
"She will debase the Republic to the point where our government is so corrupt it cannot function without crony spending and pay-for-play, even in the most minor circumstances".
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (/m8T6)
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I think NeverTrump has a lot of different factions.
But at the end of the day, it's more about "them" than it is anything.
Them being wronged and nursing that grudge or them being shut out of power/money/influence.
And don't underestimate how much satisfaction people get about crowing how they're "right" even at great expense to what really matters.
But at the end of the day, it's more about "them" than it is anything.
Them being wronged and nursing that grudge or them being shut out of power/money/influence.
And don't underestimate how much satisfaction people get about crowing how they're "right" even at great expense to what really matters.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (fgAYu)
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He put himself in a box. By not endorsing at the convention, he was betting Trump wold crash and burn and he could run in 2020 as the prophet denied.
Oops.
Now trying to fend off enough coordinated opposition to squeak thru his next primary.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (kdS6q)
at least he is smart enough to see/do this
the other nevertrumpers? too stubborn
Oops.
Now trying to fend off enough coordinated opposition to squeak thru his next primary.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (kdS6q)
at least he is smart enough to see/do this
the other nevertrumpers? too stubborn
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (qCMvj)
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118 Beck blew a fuse sometime in...I guess 2011? He seems to honestly think he's a prophet now.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
He sure does. He brags about things that happen and says that he predicted them years ago. Didn't I tell you all?! I called it! I am right!!
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (oiNtH)
Glen Beck is the Carlos Mencina/Amy Schumer of the conservative pundit/research class.
He shamelessly steals from everybody until he gets called out on it. I've never seen anything like it in my life.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
He sure does. He brags about things that happen and says that he predicted them years ago. Didn't I tell you all?! I called it! I am right!!
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:03 PM (oiNtH)
Glen Beck is the Carlos Mencina/Amy Schumer of the conservative pundit/research class.
He shamelessly steals from everybody until he gets called out on it. I've never seen anything like it in my life.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (kBiSH)
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I read that Mark Cuban has been invited to the debate on Monday in a front row seat. He has been tweeting about how HRC is going to blow Trump away and he will be trolling Trump in the front row.
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (oiNtH)
For one thing, I don't think these debates should have audiences. They aren't NBA games.
When Cuban attends the Mavs away playoff games, he stands there behind the bench with his bodyguard and trades "fuck yous" with the home team's fans. He really likes to mix it up, and like Trump, he loves any kind of attention, good or bad.
I can easily see him trying to mess with Trump at the debate, and Trump not minding it.
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:07 PM (oiNtH)
For one thing, I don't think these debates should have audiences. They aren't NBA games.
When Cuban attends the Mavs away playoff games, he stands there behind the bench with his bodyguard and trades "fuck yous" with the home team's fans. He really likes to mix it up, and like Trump, he loves any kind of attention, good or bad.
I can easily see him trying to mess with Trump at the debate, and Trump not minding it.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (ozZau)
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181 DG it would restore about 3 molecules of my faith in politicians to believe there was still one that thoughtful! Hopefully you're correct!
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (Sfs6o)
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And don't underestimate how much satisfaction people get about crowing how they're "right" even at great expense to what really matters.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (fgAYu)
it's tough to come up with a new topic for a new NY Times Bestseller, ya know
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (fgAYu)
it's tough to come up with a new topic for a new NY Times Bestseller, ya know
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (qCMvj)
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Unfortunate" with respect to Cruz's future political aspirations.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (Sfs6o)
If Cruz can't get elected in Texas it will be due to things much larger than this. In four years it won't matter at all.
Trump will have destroyed the planet by then any one of 50 ways, ask Bill Kristol.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 06:09 PM (Sfs6o)
If Cruz can't get elected in Texas it will be due to things much larger than this. In four years it won't matter at all.
Trump will have destroyed the planet by then any one of 50 ways, ask Bill Kristol.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (3myMJ)
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Clinton is a lying, power-mad felon who seeks to accumulate wealth
by any means. I will not vote for her. But I cannot honestly say,
taking a perspective 12 years or so down the road, which candidate will
be worse for the nation.
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Ok. Thanks for the response.
I am reminded of a song.
"If you choose not to decide , you'll still have made a choice".
Own her.
by any means. I will not vote for her. But I cannot honestly say,
taking a perspective 12 years or so down the road, which candidate will
be worse for the nation.
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Ok. Thanks for the response.
I am reminded of a song.
"If you choose not to decide , you'll still have made a choice".
Own her.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (zu88C)
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The young Crusader asked "What is a Cruz endorsement worth?"
The elder Saracen said "Nothing" and walked a few steps, turned around and then said in a very dramatic fashion with both hands clenched "Everything!".
The elder Saracen said "Nothing" and walked a few steps, turned around and then said in a very dramatic fashion with both hands clenched "Everything!".
Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (6Xbsz)
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To me, this is a perfect time to toss the hatchet away, shake hands and make up with people we fought with before, move on. We got a job to do, fellers. Hillary needs beating and we got it to do.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (39g3+)
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What does bashing Cruz or his supporters accomplish?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)
It's a matter of principle.
But it's nice that Ted took some time out from his busy schedule of handing out soccer balls and cheetos to illegals in order to "endorse" the GOP nominee.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (39g3+)
It's a matter of principle.
But it's nice that Ted took some time out from his busy schedule of handing out soccer balls and cheetos to illegals in order to "endorse" the GOP nominee.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (zc3Db)
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... but the only reason i'll watch the debate is the same reason many watch a car race: i'm not interested in which one wins, i'm looking for the crash, for hilary to collapse or some such.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 23, 2016 06:19 PM (WTSFk)
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I can't stand the guy personally...
I guarantee you'll change your mind if you watch just the first 7 minutes of this video when Donald Trump speak with and for the families of the victims of illegal foreign invaders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5P4YCOHeQY
I can't stand the guy personally...
I guarantee you'll change your mind if you watch just the first 7 minutes of this video when Donald Trump speak with and for the families of the victims of illegal foreign invaders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5P4YCOHeQY
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:19 PM (xLvb0)
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uring the debate the Trumpster shoustare straight ahead into space while Hillary is screeching
and
slowly
cross
his
left
eye.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2016 06:16 PM (f/tWz)
he could hide all kinds of robot devices in his hair
and
slowly
cross
his
left
eye.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2016 06:16 PM (f/tWz)
he could hide all kinds of robot devices in his hair
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:19 PM (qCMvj)
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Otherwise, you can take a wider view. I believe that Trump will make
the party Trumpian - that is, a big-government, European style party
that disagrees with liberals mostly over who should get handouts. This
will not be a momentary change - it will be a realignment that will last
a decade, probably longer. During that time, no party organization
will even pay lip service to Constitutional Conservatism.
So other than the lip service to conservatism, no real change.
the party Trumpian - that is, a big-government, European style party
that disagrees with liberals mostly over who should get handouts. This
will not be a momentary change - it will be a realignment that will last
a decade, probably longer. During that time, no party organization
will even pay lip service to Constitutional Conservatism.
So other than the lip service to conservatism, no real change.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (4WhSY)
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Cruz also won Colorado, and there's been nevertrump pushback on my rounds, so I can use this this weekend.
Again, thank you Ted.
Again, thank you Ted.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (HE9lk)
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aLL pART OF dA pLAN!
Posted by: DaveA at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (zu88C)
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Ted Cruz willingly jumps into the Great Dumpster Fire 2016.
Will it never be sated?
Will it never be sated?
Posted by: BuyMoreBrawndo at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (JCbo4)
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So Hillary is going to Charlotte Sunday... Way to pander...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
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I guarantee you'll change your mind if you watch just the first 7 minutes of this
Nah, but it doesn't matter. The fact is, Hillary must lose. Please, for the sake of my sanity. We cannot have someone who so totally disregards truth, justice, right, and honor win. Please.
Stop infighting and lets kick her to the curb. Ruin her dreams. Spoil her life's goal.
Nah, but it doesn't matter. The fact is, Hillary must lose. Please, for the sake of my sanity. We cannot have someone who so totally disregards truth, justice, right, and honor win. Please.
Stop infighting and lets kick her to the curb. Ruin her dreams. Spoil her life's goal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (39g3+)
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For about 8,000 reasons, most of which have been detailed here by others.
But probably the biggest reason is that Trump is a cultural movement, not a political movement. If he wins he will shift the political landscape toward a more populist and, weirdly, nationalist tone, but he will not be the leader of it because he is far too much of an individual, without political connections or a coherent political philosophy.
But I think you know this and are just being argumentative.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (Zu3d9)
No. I don't "know that." It's a reasonable argument. However, you acknowledge that the political landscape will shift.
I think we are already seeing the result of that. Republicans are clapping for people announcing that the culture war is over and that bathrooms don't matter. They're applauding paid child leave. Any move to restrict abortion is pretty much off the table for the next 4 years, no matter who wins.
Trump probably doesn't care enough to take over the party machinery. But other candidates will follow in his wake, take up his "nationalist populism," and entrench the reshaping of the party. Trump will do what he loves, going on TV, holding rallies and pushing his agenda, both during and after his presidency, which will keep Trumpism dominant.
But probably the biggest reason is that Trump is a cultural movement, not a political movement. If he wins he will shift the political landscape toward a more populist and, weirdly, nationalist tone, but he will not be the leader of it because he is far too much of an individual, without political connections or a coherent political philosophy.
But I think you know this and are just being argumentative.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (Zu3d9)
No. I don't "know that." It's a reasonable argument. However, you acknowledge that the political landscape will shift.
I think we are already seeing the result of that. Republicans are clapping for people announcing that the culture war is over and that bathrooms don't matter. They're applauding paid child leave. Any move to restrict abortion is pretty much off the table for the next 4 years, no matter who wins.
Trump probably doesn't care enough to take over the party machinery. But other candidates will follow in his wake, take up his "nationalist populism," and entrench the reshaping of the party. Trump will do what he loves, going on TV, holding rallies and pushing his agenda, both during and after his presidency, which will keep Trumpism dominant.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (mFkVC)
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So Hillary is going to Charlotte Sunday... Way to pander...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
I wonder which stores she's going to loot?
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
I wonder which stores she's going to loot?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (zc3Db)
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CNN ought to put Beck and Cuban on a debate review panel. Throw in Bill Kristol. Get Anderson Cooper to moderate, just to keep the group slightly earthbound.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (/m8T6)
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I voted for him too. I get the feeling that he doesn't make decisions without fully examining the situation. Yep, the optics of it taking so long suck...I wanted him to endorse at the convention...I just don't think he was personally ready at that point.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (+eR2D)
The facts admit of two interpretations:
1) Cruz needed time to fully analyze the situation, and get his mind around what he needed to do; and
2) Cruz wanted time to see which way the wind blew, and seeing that now, doesn't want to be left out in the cold.
I give him the benefit of the doubt and ascribe #1 to him.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (+eR2D)
The facts admit of two interpretations:
1) Cruz needed time to fully analyze the situation, and get his mind around what he needed to do; and
2) Cruz wanted time to see which way the wind blew, and seeing that now, doesn't want to be left out in the cold.
I give him the benefit of the doubt and ascribe #1 to him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (SRKgf)
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I think it's time to call the #neverttumpers what they are: closet liberals in denial.
I'm tired of trying to logically argue with people who have a psychosis and won't admit it.
We call that "delusional" in the real world.
I'm tired of trying to logically argue with people who have a psychosis and won't admit it.
We call that "delusional" in the real world.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (JILvc)
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Ace had an addendum...
BTW: Why is it that #NeverTrumpers question Cruz' motives, given they get so upset if we question theirs?
Can't it be the case that Cruz is being dead honest here: Yes, I have great problems with Trump, including the beastly way he treated my own wife and father, and yet, in the scheme of things that are actually truly important, I must support Trump over this serial law-breaking and government-corrupting grifter?
I'm sorry, is that too illogical, fantastical even, for the #NeverTrumpers?
STOP MAKING SENSE!
BTW: Why is it that #NeverTrumpers question Cruz' motives, given they get so upset if we question theirs?
Can't it be the case that Cruz is being dead honest here: Yes, I have great problems with Trump, including the beastly way he treated my own wife and father, and yet, in the scheme of things that are actually truly important, I must support Trump over this serial law-breaking and government-corrupting grifter?
I'm sorry, is that too illogical, fantastical even, for the #NeverTrumpers?
STOP MAKING SENSE!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (qCMvj)
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Purge the RINO Nevertrumpers for being unprincipled purists!
Posted by: JohnJ at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (s9DTK)
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So other than the lip service to conservatism, no real change.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
But we keep our phony-balony jobs.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
But we keep our phony-balony jobs.
Posted by: Bill Kristol, George Will, et al. at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (DqKNm)
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it's nice that Ted took some time out from his busy schedule of handing out soccer balls and cheetos to illegals in order to "endorse" the GOP nominee.
You know whose worse on illegal immigrants?
FREAKING HILLARY CLINTON
Stop with the Cruz bashing and get on with working to defeat the enemy.
You know whose worse on illegal immigrants?
FREAKING HILLARY CLINTON
Stop with the Cruz bashing and get on with working to defeat the enemy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (39g3+)
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It's a frankly liberal contingent of the party and i for one won't mind seeing the backs of them.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
I think Nevertrump is a symptom and not the syndrome, and I think it is caused by two different elements.
One is the very liberal, I suppose, or very reactionary element that like the way things are and see Trump as the spark that will make the whole game go bad - and possibly bring about what they think they are holding back. This could be personal failure, loss of power, economic crash, increased chemtrails, war with Albania, or whatever
The other is very conservative and moralistic, and I have sympathy for them, in that they consider Trump to be no different in outcome from Hillary, just different in volume and velocity. A number of high profile ones have stated that they see Trump as a new Teddy Roosevelt to bring on more levels of statism or finding a new path to making America great that looks like the Italian corporate state under Fascism, and in "willingness to be a bastard and target individuals" just a repeat of the lawfare state under our current administration.
The first group can either DIAF or Canute-like be drowned under the tide they imagine they are holding back.
The second group is very valuable. No-one likes taking hits and pressure, and they are the ones that stick by their guns and gut it out from personal convictions. And they taking from both sides now.
They are also the ones that are willing to fight for their principles, and you can either have them squaring off against you, forever, or have them on your side fighting with you if you can find a reconciliation.
I would argue that their professed principles of smaller government and freedom are the most important goals around, by the way.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
I think Nevertrump is a symptom and not the syndrome, and I think it is caused by two different elements.
One is the very liberal, I suppose, or very reactionary element that like the way things are and see Trump as the spark that will make the whole game go bad - and possibly bring about what they think they are holding back. This could be personal failure, loss of power, economic crash, increased chemtrails, war with Albania, or whatever
The other is very conservative and moralistic, and I have sympathy for them, in that they consider Trump to be no different in outcome from Hillary, just different in volume and velocity. A number of high profile ones have stated that they see Trump as a new Teddy Roosevelt to bring on more levels of statism or finding a new path to making America great that looks like the Italian corporate state under Fascism, and in "willingness to be a bastard and target individuals" just a repeat of the lawfare state under our current administration.
The first group can either DIAF or Canute-like be drowned under the tide they imagine they are holding back.
The second group is very valuable. No-one likes taking hits and pressure, and they are the ones that stick by their guns and gut it out from personal convictions. And they taking from both sides now.
They are also the ones that are willing to fight for their principles, and you can either have them squaring off against you, forever, or have them on your side fighting with you if you can find a reconciliation.
I would argue that their professed principles of smaller government and freedom are the most important goals around, by the way.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (KOBAq)
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So Hillary is going to Charlotte Sunday
I hope she will be speaking to the white people so that we can end this shit.
There's one in a parking garage, I believe.
I hope she will be speaking to the white people so that we can end this shit.
There's one in a parking garage, I believe.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (2z74n)
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"Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (mFkVC) "
Obama's 8 years did result in some things that, IMO, are permanently destructive to the Republic. But his SCOTUS picks didn't get to flip the court for decades (he just shuffled in younger liberals for old liberals). Hillary's will. But you already know that - you have a narrative and you're sticking to it.
Obama's 8 years did result in some things that, IMO, are permanently destructive to the Republic. But his SCOTUS picks didn't get to flip the court for decades (he just shuffled in younger liberals for old liberals). Hillary's will. But you already know that - you have a narrative and you're sticking to it.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (kumBu)
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that persona is Ben Shapiro.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (264gc)
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I think it's time to call the #neverttumpers what they are: closet liberals in denial.
I'm tired of trying to logically argue with people who have a psychosis and won't admit it.
We call that "delusional" in the real world.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (JILvc)
it's worse than that ( see CBD's comment )
it's about the gravy train, and getting invites
STATUS
I'm tired of trying to logically argue with people who have a psychosis and won't admit it.
We call that "delusional" in the real world.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (JILvc)
it's worse than that ( see CBD's comment )
it's about the gravy train, and getting invites
STATUS
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (qCMvj)
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But it's nice that Ted took some time out from his
busy schedule of handing out soccer balls and cheetos to illegals in
order to "endorse" the GOP nominee.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (zc3Db)
i think he did that once with beck way back....has he done it since? he been trying to stop the president from handing the governance of the internet to the international community.......
busy schedule of handing out soccer balls and cheetos to illegals in
order to "endorse" the GOP nominee.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (zc3Db)
i think he did that once with beck way back....has he done it since? he been trying to stop the president from handing the governance of the internet to the international community.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (0O7c5)
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So Hillary is going to Charlotte Sunday... Way to pander...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
I wonder which stores she's going to loot?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
OH SHIT!
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
I wonder which stores she's going to loot?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
OH SHIT!
Posted by: The Scooter Store at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (DqKNm)
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"She will debase the Republic to the point where our government is so corrupt it cannot function without crony spending and pay-for-play, even in the most minor circumstances".
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (/m8T6)
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This... sorta sounds like where we are today. And I see no reason to believe proud crony capitalist Trump won't do the same.
Posted by: MTF at September 23, 2016 06:17 PM (/m8T6)
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This... sorta sounds like where we are today. And I see no reason to believe proud crony capitalist Trump won't do the same.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (mFkVC)
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215 To me, this is a perfect time to toss the hatchet away, shake hands and make up with people we fought with before, move on. We got a job to do, fellers. Hillary needs beating and we got it to do.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (39g3+)
This.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (39g3+)
This.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (zu88C)
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My belief is the Republic has been shot in the ass. Barak has run roughshod over this country like a tin pot dictator, Hillary is multiple times the criminal Barak is and will ransack the country for her and her cronies.
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (JfUI4)
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The NeverTrumpers are mostly GOP establishment anyway - the guys who say "we're in charge or we'll sabotage whoever is, because PRINCIPLE".
Cruz was "against the establishment before he was with them", so where does that leave things?
Basically, they hated Cruz before, and they're probably back to hating him again (really, just STILL). They just didn't want to say it yet, because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Well, with him siding with Trump over Hillary (and THEM), maybe now they'll say it.
Cruz was "against the establishment before he was with them", so where does that leave things?
Basically, they hated Cruz before, and they're probably back to hating him again (really, just STILL). They just didn't want to say it yet, because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Well, with him siding with Trump over Hillary (and THEM), maybe now they'll say it.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (EnK/R)
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But we keep our phony-balony jobs.
Posted by: Bill Kristol, George Will, et al.
There's a downside to everything.
Posted by: Bill Kristol, George Will, et al.
There's a downside to everything.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (4WhSY)
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WWcjS?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (MWX7h)
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at least he is smart enough to see/do this
the other nevertrumpers? too stubborn
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Got that right. From a spin around twitter and the blogs, don't see much support or even real politik acceptance from them for Cruz's endorsement.
About a third outright condemnation and denouncement -- pretty hardcore hate, a third 'everybody sucks fatalism', and a third other.
at least he is smart enough to see/do this
the other nevertrumpers? too stubborn
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Got that right. From a spin around twitter and the blogs, don't see much support or even real politik acceptance from them for Cruz's endorsement.
About a third outright condemnation and denouncement -- pretty hardcore hate, a third 'everybody sucks fatalism', and a third other.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (kdS6q)
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225 So Hillary is going to Charlotte Sunday... Way to pander...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
On August 22nd she promised the flood victims of Louisiana that she would visit them.
Priorities.
She is worse than Obama.
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (O2RFr)
On August 22nd she promised the flood victims of Louisiana that she would visit them.
Priorities.
She is worse than Obama.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 23, 2016 06:23 PM (kBiSH)
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Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:18 PM (6Xbsz)
Which movie was that again? Coz I know I've seen it but I can't remember if it was the one with Orlando Bloom (which sucked) or some other movie.
Which movie was that again? Coz I know I've seen it but I can't remember if it was the one with Orlando Bloom (which sucked) or some other movie.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (M2qjg)
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During the debate the Trumpster shoustare straight ahead into space while Hillary is screeching
.............
and silently mouth: "Mother-In-Law"
.............
and silently mouth: "Mother-In-Law"
Posted by: wth at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (HgMAr)
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Again, thank you Ted.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (HE9lk)
And THERE is the most important thing to say about the endorsement.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:20 PM (HE9lk)
And THERE is the most important thing to say about the endorsement.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (3myMJ)
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Her people will need to balance her meds precisely or she'll either pass out or go on a manic rant. Of course, Charlie Sheen is on Team Hillary and he's had lots of experience.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (Nwg0u)
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I think Trump should bring a big plate of hot wings to the debate and challenge Hillary to eat the XXX.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (bqa+Z)
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BTW:
++++
Don't think that I forgot that you still owe us one "by the way" on the topic of Brave New World. You are still in the debit column.
++++
Don't think that I forgot that you still owe us one "by the way" on the topic of Brave New World. You are still in the debit column.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (R+30W)
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On August 22nd she promised the flood victims of Louisiana that she would visit them.
Pretty sure we know what "side" she will be on...
Pretty sure we know what "side" she will be on...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (O2RFr)
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Tammy Al Thor.. if memory serves he accused Ted's father of being involved in some way with JFK's assassination. I think.. lol.. my memory sucks.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at September 23, 2016 06:12 PM (CNHr1)
And not only was that rude to Cruz's dad, it also indicated to me that Trump is crazy. But, oh well, he's our only chance against Hillary, and a Jesse Ventura-type admin is better than a Hillaroid one.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at September 23, 2016 06:12 PM (CNHr1)
And not only was that rude to Cruz's dad, it also indicated to me that Trump is crazy. But, oh well, he's our only chance against Hillary, and a Jesse Ventura-type admin is better than a Hillaroid one.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (ozZau)
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Joke about a purge, but a purge is exactly what's gonna happen. It's already begun. It started in 2015.
It will accelerate in 2017, especially if Trump loses.
The Republicans are still, to this day, playing games and still fucking around. It cannot stand.
Joke about a purge, but a purge is exactly what's gonna happen. It's already begun. It started in 2015.
It will accelerate in 2017, especially if Trump loses.
The Republicans are still, to this day, playing games and still fucking around. It cannot stand.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:25 PM (xLvb0)
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Some more of that nonexistent voter fraud in Colorado: dead people voting
http://tinyurl.com/z3soqsc
The lack of information leads me to believe they were voting Democrat. Or they'd sure as hell say Republican votes.
http://tinyurl.com/z3soqsc
The lack of information leads me to believe they were voting Democrat. Or they'd sure as hell say Republican votes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:25 PM (39g3+)
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I love you, Ace!
Posted by: Flight93_Militia at September 23, 2016 06:25 PM (tF6cZ)
Posted by: Hillary! at September 23, 2016 06:25 PM (2z74n)
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Cruz endorsed Trump so that Trump will pardon Cruz's father for killing JFK.
Posted by: Conspiratorial #NeverTrumper at September 23, 2016 06:25 PM (57K5j)
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If Mark Cuban is a knife then Juanita Broderick is a gun and Trump should invite her and sit her in front of the FAB.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (WxiG/)
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that persona is Ben Shapiro.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (264gc)
that would be sad
the cadence sounds like that guy from Reason.com
the goth looking dude
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (264gc)
that would be sad
the cadence sounds like that guy from Reason.com
the goth looking dude
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (qCMvj)
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btw, expect clinton to cite that bullshit "study" on debt at the debate.
btw, expect clinton to cite that bullshit "study" on debt at the debate.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (xLvb0)
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So I just figured out that Hillary is guaranteed to win, despite the fact that I'm going to hold my nose and vote for the Republican.
All those other people who vote the Republican down ballot but leave the President spot blank because they refuse to vote for any of the candidates are a vote for the Hilldog.
Ergo, any blank vote for President is a vote for the H.
And 40% to 50% of eligible voters don't vote at all.
Thus, the tripping Hag only needs maybe 10% actual votes to be the winner, and she's surely bought that many.
That's how math works, right?
All those other people who vote the Republican down ballot but leave the President spot blank because they refuse to vote for any of the candidates are a vote for the Hilldog.
Ergo, any blank vote for President is a vote for the H.
And 40% to 50% of eligible voters don't vote at all.
Thus, the tripping Hag only needs maybe 10% actual votes to be the winner, and she's surely bought that many.
That's how math works, right?
Posted by: Troll Feeder at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (9905P)
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Dream on wingers - you lost all the evangelicals and about 15% of your base- those with principles - and you're never gonna get them back.
Posted by: Trismegistus at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (4aAQP)
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"The "study," as reported by CNN, concluded that, get this, Trump would add $5.3T to the national debt, whereas hillary's policies would add only, get this, $200B."
Hillary would raise a shitload of taxes, you see. And add more regulations. And kick private sector businesses in the balls whenever she can. Because she's Responsible.
But this won't adversely affect GDP growth. Because she's Responsible.
Hillary would raise a shitload of taxes, you see. And add more regulations. And kick private sector businesses in the balls whenever she can. Because she's Responsible.
But this won't adversely affect GDP growth. Because she's Responsible.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (r1fLd)
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Cruz endorsed Trump so that Trump will pardon Cruz's father for killing JFK.
Ah. It's all coming together now.
Ah. It's all coming together now.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (rwI+c)
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I wanted Cruz, I got Trump. I was very unhappy but got over it. I know what an HRC administration will be like - devastating to our military, and every other facet of life. She would make Evita Peron blush.
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (oiNtH)
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Obama's 8 years did result in some things that, IMO, are permanently destructive to the Republic. But his SCOTUS picks didn't get to flip the court for decades (he just shuffled in younger liberals for old liberals). Hillary's will. But you already know that - you have a narrative and you're sticking to it.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (kumBu)
Please stop telling me what I know. I know nothing (Jon Snow)
Look, the SC argument is the best available for Trump. The problem is, Trump will never appoint justices who will limit government power in general or executive power in particular. If there is one thing we know of Trump, it is that he doesn't handle challenges to his authority well.
Plus, given the way the WH changes hands, he will be the most conservative person appointing justices for 12 to 16 years. The SC will always be an issue.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:22 PM (kumBu)
Please stop telling me what I know. I know nothing (Jon Snow)
Look, the SC argument is the best available for Trump. The problem is, Trump will never appoint justices who will limit government power in general or executive power in particular. If there is one thing we know of Trump, it is that he doesn't handle challenges to his authority well.
Plus, given the way the WH changes hands, he will be the most conservative person appointing justices for 12 to 16 years. The SC will always be an issue.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (mFkVC)
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In regards to Cuban, Trump should early in the debate pretend he's pearing out into crowd and say
"security, we've got some putz in the front row making gestures, can we have him removed {squinting though the stage lights}...Oh it Cuban, I've should've known."
"security, we've got some putz in the front row making gestures, can we have him removed {squinting though the stage lights}...Oh it Cuban, I've should've known."
Posted by: WisRich at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (OAlmw)
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Let's not fuss over Cruz and instead talk about how fucking batshit crazy as fuck all Glenn Beck is.
That seems to be something we can all universally agree on, #nevertrump or not.
That seems to be something we can all universally agree on, #nevertrump or not.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (5JBUT)
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Hillary to come to Charlotte and DEMAND the video is release.
Democrat mayor, no doubt to immediately do so. These riots were done for one reason.
gin up the Black vote
http://tinyurl.com/juac64q
Democrat mayor, no doubt to immediately do so. These riots were done for one reason.
gin up the Black vote
http://tinyurl.com/juac64q
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:27 PM (NbJXF)
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Cruz was my guy and I did not like that he didn't support Trump at the convention. My thought was that the insults hurled at you during a campaign are not as important as the shit that will go down if Hillary is President.
I'm somehow relieved that Cruz made the endorsement. And I thought Trump's response was perfect.
To me now, it's all about beating Hillary.
I'm somehow relieved that Cruz made the endorsement. And I thought Trump's response was perfect.
To me now, it's all about beating Hillary.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 23, 2016 06:27 PM (U+nHb)
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>>>269 Dream on wingers - you lost all the evangelicals and about 15% of your base- those with principles - and you're never gonna get them back.
Posted by: Trismegistus at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (4aAQP)
You are so, uh, so ugly, yeah, so ugly, that one day you were climbing a tree, like an ugly tree, which you were climbing because you're stupid too, but that's not the point although I might address that in a future insult. Anyway, I guess you were walking along and saw this ugly tree, and decided to climb it because you're a dumbass. So you were climbing it, and you were climbing on all the ugly branches and touching them, and then you got really high, like way up there, and you fell. Like you lost your grip or something. So you fell from really high up and you hit, like, every branch of the tree on the way down. Did I mention it was an ugly tree? Anyways, you were way up and hit all the branches and then you hit the ground. Which fucked up your face. I guess I'm saying you look like you fell out of a tree. But the tree was ugly, too. That's an important point.
Posted by: Trismegistus at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (4aAQP)
You are so, uh, so ugly, yeah, so ugly, that one day you were climbing a tree, like an ugly tree, which you were climbing because you're stupid too, but that's not the point although I might address that in a future insult. Anyway, I guess you were walking along and saw this ugly tree, and decided to climb it because you're a dumbass. So you were climbing it, and you were climbing on all the ugly branches and touching them, and then you got really high, like way up there, and you fell. Like you lost your grip or something. So you fell from really high up and you hit, like, every branch of the tree on the way down. Did I mention it was an ugly tree? Anyways, you were way up and hit all the branches and then you hit the ground. Which fucked up your face. I guess I'm saying you look like you fell out of a tree. But the tree was ugly, too. That's an important point.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:27 PM (bqa+Z)
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Don't these stupid Nevertrumpers realize that attacking McConnell while supporting Trump is as stupid as tracking Trump while supporting McConnell?
Wait, I think I may have that backwards.
Wait, I think I may have that backwards.
Posted by: JohnJ at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (s9DTK)
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Even if you view Trump and Hillary as identical in policy and outcome, you have to work to defeat Hillary because she's just evil.
That's the bottom line: are you here to help this corrupt, lawbreaking, treasonous, bloody-handed, evil woman win or help defeat her?
There's no third option. If you're not the latter... you are the former.
That's the bottom line: are you here to help this corrupt, lawbreaking, treasonous, bloody-handed, evil woman win or help defeat her?
There's no third option. If you're not the latter... you are the former.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (39g3+)
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I think a troll is socking Trismegistus. I don't think he ever called us "wingers". I am pretty sure I've seen the real one commenting at Vox Day's place
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
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Posted by: Trismegistus at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (4aAQP)
Is this a troll trying to sock a regular?
Is this a troll trying to sock a regular?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (3hIZX)
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But Trump treated Cruz's wife and father "beastly"?
Somebody ought to look up the meaning of "beastly" then. He essentially said his own wife was better-looking and repeated a rumor that the elder Cruz had been seen handing crap out with Oswald (which wouldn't make him any kind of co-conspirator even if it were true).
Cruz did worse. He should grow up, if THAT's what it's about. It's the usually double standard, vs. Trump.
Somebody ought to look up the meaning of "beastly" then. He essentially said his own wife was better-looking and repeated a rumor that the elder Cruz had been seen handing crap out with Oswald (which wouldn't make him any kind of co-conspirator even if it were true).
Cruz did worse. He should grow up, if THAT's what it's about. It's the usually double standard, vs. Trump.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (EnK/R)
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You are so, uh, so ugly, yeah, so ugly, that one day you were climbing a tree, like an ugly tree, which you were climbing because you're stupid too, but that's not the point although I might address that in a future insult. Anyway, I guess you were walking along and saw this ugly tree, and decided to climb it because you're a dumbass. So you were climbing it, and you were climbing on all the ugly branches and touching them, and then you got really high, like way up there, and you fell. Like you lost your grip or something. So you fell from really high up and you hit, like, every branch of the tree on the way down. Did I mention it was an ugly tree? Anyways, you were way up and hit all the branches and then you hit the ground. Which fucked up your face. I guess I'm saying you look like you fell out of a tree. But the tree was ugly, too. That's an important point.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy
Dude, you're on fire with the insults today.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy
Dude, you're on fire with the insults today.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (DqKNm)
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Hillary would raise a shitload of taxes, you see.
Yes, and the "study" says that's precisely why debt will go up $5T-- because Trump will lower taxes instead of raising them!! Plus they say Trump hurts trade.
Hillary would raise a shitload of taxes, you see.
Yes, and the "study" says that's precisely why debt will go up $5T-- because Trump will lower taxes instead of raising them!! Plus they say Trump hurts trade.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (xLvb0)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (Nwg0u)
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Imagine the group that the Trump campaign could invite to sit in the front row to troll HRC. There wouldn't be enough seats.
Lewinsky, Brodderick, Jones, Benghazi families, et. al.
Lewinsky, Brodderick, Jones, Benghazi families, et. al.
Posted by: Cheri at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (oiNtH)
288
I know this is a flame thread but some if the comments have me giggling so hard.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (M2qjg)
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By the way, people feel Cruz's choice was driven by his donors largely because all the reasons he cites for backing Trump were true at the time of the convention.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC)
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Cruz also won Colorado
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo
Ehhh -- he didn't win Colorado so much as was given Colorado by the state GOP as an "Last Non-Trump Standing" strategy.
Don't know that he can do much there.
As mentioned earlier, if he want's to campaign, which I kinda doubt, Maine may be the place to make a difference.
Cruz also won Colorado
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo
Ehhh -- he didn't win Colorado so much as was given Colorado by the state GOP as an "Last Non-Trump Standing" strategy.
Don't know that he can do much there.
As mentioned earlier, if he want's to campaign, which I kinda doubt, Maine may be the place to make a difference.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (kdS6q)
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If Mark Cuban is a knife then Juanita Broderick is a gun and Trump should invite her and sit her in front of the FAB.
Kathy Shelton
Kathy Shelton
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (rwI+c)
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The Supreme Court is why Hillary could be the final nail in America's coffin.
If she stacks the Court, unless the US has a legitimate coup, we're going to be ruled by a few dictators in black robes for the next 30 years at least.
If she stacks the Court, unless the US has a legitimate coup, we're going to be ruled by a few dictators in black robes for the next 30 years at least.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (fgAYu)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:30 PM (xLvb0)
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and when he hit the ground something resembling bloody toothpaste oozed out his nose
Posted by: wth at September 23, 2016 06:30 PM (HgMAr)
295
Hillary has said long ago shes all in on BLM. Shes only pandering for the votes but never underestimate leftists who have a rabble under there thumb.
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2016 06:30 PM (JfUI4)
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I've seen multiple posts here about NC early voting indicating a huge win for Clinton. Any good sites that show this data? And why are they already counting and releasing this info? Wtf.
Posted by: Eli Cash at September 23, 2016 06:30 PM (71nUM)
297
Damn, I missed my chance. My uncle has the receipts for the 80 slaves his family owned at the 1790 census.
We should have donated them to the African American museum.
WTF were we thinking?
We should have donated them to the African American museum.
WTF were we thinking?
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:31 PM (NbJXF)
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Joke's on Hillary, cause they aren't all in with her. They don't like her cracka' ass. Her choice of VP was really a stupid one, of all the people she picked a guy who practically glows in the dark he's so white. And while I don't see whiteness as a bad thing... a goodly chunk of America does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:31 PM (39g3+)
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You know ACE, you've been spot on since it became clear that Trump was going to be the nom. Honestly, he had me at hello, because of immigration. Period. But, thats neither here nor there at this point. We cannot endure another anything of anyone that will continue this nonsense that has plagued this Country for way to long. Simple as that. If he doesnt win, there isnt 2020. Simple as that. Its over. Period. I'm glad that Cruz finally woke up, or whatever. But, there is no other choice besides Trump. And thats the way its been since Cruz dropped. Noone is perfect ever. Not even me, according to my wife lol....but, there really is no comparison between grandma and Trump. None. We just have to win this time. Thats all.
Posted by: johny boy at September 23, 2016 06:31 PM (UNXWZ)
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128 I don't care if the party isn't fully Trumpian. I DO care that it isn't fully anti-Hillary and the passive-aggressive little shits won't even agree to that.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (Kucy5)
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297 Damn, I missed my chance. My uncle has the receipts for the 80 slaves his family owned at the 1790 census.
We should have donated them to the African American museum.
WTF were we thinking?
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:31 PM (NbJXF)
Tax deduction?
We should have donated them to the African American museum.
WTF were we thinking?
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:31 PM (NbJXF)
Tax deduction?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (SRKgf)
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>>>Dude, you're on fire with the insults today.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (DqKNm)
I am bringing the FUEGO!! I knew it might get ugly in here!
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (DqKNm)
I am bringing the FUEGO!! I knew it might get ugly in here!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (bqa+Z)
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Damn, I missed my chance. My uncle has the receipts for the 80 slaves his family owned at the 1790 census.
Are they out of warranty?
Are they out of warranty?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (3hIZX)
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281 I think a troll is socking Trismegistus. I don't think he ever called us "wingers". I am pretty sure I've seen the real one commenting at Vox Day's place
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
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I'm not a troll, I don't sock, I don't post or write anywhere else, I don't want anyone banned, and I've never contacted Ace or any mod to complain about a poster (or for any other reason). I just disagree with people, so every evil motive or duplicitous action is attributed to me.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
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I'm not a troll, I don't sock, I don't post or write anywhere else, I don't want anyone banned, and I've never contacted Ace or any mod to complain about a poster (or for any other reason). I just disagree with people, so every evil motive or duplicitous action is attributed to me.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (mFkVC)
305
288
I know this is a flame thread but some if the comments have me giggling so hard.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (M2qjg)
Fck you you retarded asshole.
(That work?)
I know this is a flame thread but some if the comments have me giggling so hard.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (M2qjg)
Fck you you retarded asshole.
(That work?)
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (NbJXF)
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I've seen multiple posts here about NC early voting indicating a huge win for Clinton.
Really? Odd. I must have missed them. Hmm. There's always google.
Really? Odd. I must have missed them. Hmm. There's always google.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (rwI+c)
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I stood in line to vote for Bush -1 first term and second term which he lost. As far as I am concerned I wasted both votes. I stood in line and wasted a vote on lackluster Bob Dole who lost to Clinton Crook 1 as we saw the MFM darling who got credit for "ending welfare as we know it" after he vetoed it twice. I stood in line twice and voted for Bush 2 twice even though I did not like him and considered him to be a RINO loser He allowed the Democrats to walk all over him while listening to Rove who was a major asshole. He joined forces with Ted The Swimmer for his first major act of socialism. Yes, I wasted those votes too because he too was the lesser of two evils. Then. . .
I stood in line IN THE RAIN and voted for for the here-to-now worst candidate and biggest RINO in modern history; McShitty. A totally wasted vote. In 2012 I stood in line and wasted another vote for a NE liberal RINO who was the embodiment of the RNCe. There was no stopping the FSA.
Now I have a choice to stand in line to vote for Trump who has no principles other than crony corruption and being the lesser of two evils. In his life time of cronyism he has switched parties 5 times. The ONLY reason for a conservative to vote for him is to oppose the wicked witch of Arkansas. After RINO Romney I swore that I would never stand in line to vote for the lesser of two evils again. And I won't. Here in SC my vote will not matter anyway. Trump will win walking away.
I will not stand in line again to vote FOR evil; lesser or not.
I stood in line IN THE RAIN and voted for for the here-to-now worst candidate and biggest RINO in modern history; McShitty. A totally wasted vote. In 2012 I stood in line and wasted another vote for a NE liberal RINO who was the embodiment of the RNCe. There was no stopping the FSA.
Now I have a choice to stand in line to vote for Trump who has no principles other than crony corruption and being the lesser of two evils. In his life time of cronyism he has switched parties 5 times. The ONLY reason for a conservative to vote for him is to oppose the wicked witch of Arkansas. After RINO Romney I swore that I would never stand in line to vote for the lesser of two evils again. And I won't. Here in SC my vote will not matter anyway. Trump will win walking away.
I will not stand in line again to vote FOR evil; lesser or not.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (qCMvj)
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Dude, you're on fire with the insults today.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (DqKNm)
Like embers in damp peat.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:29 PM (DqKNm)
Like embers in damp peat.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (KOBAq)
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By the way, people feel Cruz's choice was driven by his donors largely because all the reasons he cites for backing Trump were true at the time of the convention.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Sure. Cruz's choice was all about his donors, but the #NeverTrump GOP insiders (who gave us Dole, McCain and Romney) are all Principled Conservatives (TM) standing for Principles.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Sure. Cruz's choice was all about his donors, but the #NeverTrump GOP insiders (who gave us Dole, McCain and Romney) are all Principled Conservatives (TM) standing for Principles.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (DqKNm)
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Just remember, Axes trolls don't start work til October 1st.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (NbJXF)
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If she stacks the Court...we're
going to be ruled by a few dictators in black robes for the next 30
years at least.
Every voting law gets struck down. No 30 years about it, it's for good.
going to be ruled by a few dictators in black robes for the next 30
years at least.
Every voting law gets struck down. No 30 years about it, it's for good.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (2z74n)
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45 days...
45 days...
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (xLvb0)
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Cruz like yourself Ace, and myself made the choice that Trump is better than Clinton. That's what it comes down to. There is no 3rd option.
Posted by: NJRob at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (BGs3l)
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That's it Nip, I'm hacking into AtC's computer and putting you on her raptor delivery list.
Posted by: @votermom's phone at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (M2qjg)
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Wow, Christopher! You're really fired up today. Good for you. Btw, is that large column of smoke I see down the valley coming from your computer? (grin)
Posted by: Octiparan at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (cn2r5)
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281 I think a troll is socking Trismegistus. I don't think he ever called us "wingers". I am pretty sure I've seen the real one commenting at Vox Day's place
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
I'm also pretty sure that the regular Trimegistus would not so horribly butcher his own name.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
I'm also pretty sure that the regular Trimegistus would not so horribly butcher his own name.
Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (z/Ubi)
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A reminder.
Hillary has said, in her own words, that if Congress doesn't give Hillary comprehensive immigration reform (i.e. "amnesty") she'll do it by executive order and then get it upheld with a new SCOTUS appointment. Holy separation of powers Batman!
This won't be the only trick she'll pull.
If Hillary wins, the growth of the Borg continues apace -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, which is melding. Some members of BigBiz are already a part of the this, and are increasingly aligning with the Cultural Left.
There comes a point where this is irreversible.
Hillary has said, in her own words, that if Congress doesn't give Hillary comprehensive immigration reform (i.e. "amnesty") she'll do it by executive order and then get it upheld with a new SCOTUS appointment. Holy separation of powers Batman!
This won't be the only trick she'll pull.
If Hillary wins, the growth of the Borg continues apace -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, which is melding. Some members of BigBiz are already a part of the this, and are increasingly aligning with the Cultural Left.
There comes a point where this is irreversible.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (r1fLd)
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BTW, speaking of debates, how about the barnburner that is going to be the VP debates?
I expect Kaine vs. Pence will fully satisfy tens, nay, maybe even hundreds of viewers! It has a good chance of beating re-runs of Designing Women.
I expect Kaine vs. Pence will fully satisfy tens, nay, maybe even hundreds of viewers! It has a good chance of beating re-runs of Designing Women.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (kumBu)
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I've seen multiple posts here about NC early voting indicating a huge win for Clinton.
Really? Odd. I must have missed them. Hmm. There's always google.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
I'm completely skeptical anyone can make that case based on anything at this point. It probably represents less than 1% of votes cast.
Hell, Romney won North Carolina and that was with an African American as the opposition
Really? Odd. I must have missed them. Hmm. There's always google.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
I'm completely skeptical anyone can make that case based on anything at this point. It probably represents less than 1% of votes cast.
Hell, Romney won North Carolina and that was with an African American as the opposition
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:34 PM (fgAYu)
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But I cannot honestly say, taking a perspective 12 years or so down the road, which candidate will be worse for the nation.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (mFkVC)
Hillary Clinton would get away with everything. Could you imagine a Senate without a two thirds Republican majority voting to remove and a media calling for her removal
Regardless of his positions and policies Trump will be limited and held accountible by his opposition and by his own side.
This is actually an argument for never voting for a democrat ever. But the democrats made this bed back in the Bill Clinton era and pretty much solidified it during Obama{s maladministration, so this is an arguement established by precedence.
I really would have hated voting for Kasich, but he would be more acceptible in this construct than any democrat.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:13 PM (mFkVC)
Hillary Clinton would get away with everything. Could you imagine a Senate without a two thirds Republican majority voting to remove and a media calling for her removal
Regardless of his positions and policies Trump will be limited and held accountible by his opposition and by his own side.
This is actually an argument for never voting for a democrat ever. But the democrats made this bed back in the Bill Clinton era and pretty much solidified it during Obama{s maladministration, so this is an arguement established by precedence.
I really would have hated voting for Kasich, but he would be more acceptible in this construct than any democrat.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2016 06:35 PM (f/tWz)
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If the slot is still open, I'm taking "Hillary speaks in tongues at the debate" at 6 to 1 odds.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 06:35 PM (/NlFx)
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I give him the benefit of the doubt and ascribe #1 to him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (SRKgf)
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Me too.
As for Beck, he lost me years ago when he pulled a Couric on his radio show. Held an interview one day, then the next, decided to play back the interview with his comments. Except he cut and spliced parts of it together (the guests answer to question B was spliced in as the answer to question A, etc) so it fit his narrative and he proceeded to mislead listeners for days based on his edited clips.
I give him the benefit of the doubt and ascribe #1 to him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 23, 2016 06:21 PM (SRKgf)
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Me too.
As for Beck, he lost me years ago when he pulled a Couric on his radio show. Held an interview one day, then the next, decided to play back the interview with his comments. Except he cut and spliced parts of it together (the guests answer to question B was spliced in as the answer to question A, etc) so it fit his narrative and he proceeded to mislead listeners for days based on his edited clips.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at September 23, 2016 06:35 PM (+eR2D)
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70 - Sausage McMuffin at September 23, 2016 05:56 PM (T9DQN) has it exactly right. I follow National Review, Nordlinger, Williamson, Goldberg, et. al regularly, and believe that all are fine writers, but I can't understand NeverTrump at this stage of the game. It's fine in the primaries to be "Against Trump," but even William F. Buckley stated that you must elect the "most conservative" candidate when it comes down to the general election. Obviously DJT is not a conservative as defined in the past, but compared to HRC, Trump is to the right of every Democratic candidate that was in the race (except perhaps Jim Webb, the former Virginia senator, who would never be accepted by the Democratic base, but for whom I would have voted in a heartbeat if he were the candidate against DJT). However that is not the choice this year. It's OK to ask why GHWB would vote for Clinton, but I don't think you can ask "what has happened to Republicans that would drive a Bush to vote for a Democrat." The Republican primaries made that decision, for better or worse, so the decision now is only to vote for the known corrupt, evil, unprincipled candidate the Democrats nominated, or the unknown, inexperienced, unConservative buffoon that the Republicans nominated. To me, that is an easy choice: I can live with myself for choosing the "most conservative candidate" available in this election, even if that is not the first or best candidate whom I would have chosen. I voted for Ted in Texas, but I have to vote for Trump in the general.
Posted by: Never NeverTrumper at September 23, 2016 06:35 PM (ZD+J8)
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Sure. Cruz's choice was all about his donors, but the #NeverTrump GOP insiders (who gave us Dole, McCain and Romney) are all Principled Conservatives (TM) standing for Principles.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (DqKNm)
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No, they aren't. But there are #NeverTrumpers with actual, carefully considered reasons for not voting for Trump.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (DqKNm)
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No, they aren't. But there are #NeverTrumpers with actual, carefully considered reasons for not voting for Trump.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:35 PM (mFkVC)
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304 281 I think a troll is socking Trismegistus. I don't think he ever called us "wingers". I am pretty sure I've seen the real one commenting at Vox Day's place
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
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I'm not a troll, I don't sock, I don't post or write anywhere else, I don't want anyone banned, and I've never contacted Ace or any mod to complain about a poster (or for any other reason). I just disagree with people, so every evil motive or duplicitous action is attributed to me.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (mFkVC)
Not everything is about you.
Dumbass.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 23, 2016 06:28 PM (HE9lk)
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I'm not a troll, I don't sock, I don't post or write anywhere else, I don't want anyone banned, and I've never contacted Ace or any mod to complain about a poster (or for any other reason). I just disagree with people, so every evil motive or duplicitous action is attributed to me.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:32 PM (mFkVC)
Not everything is about you.
Dumbass.
Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2016 06:36 PM (z/Ubi)
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Banana Splits Guy@278,
I'm looking forward to the "Yo' mama so fat..." routine.
And where is Hadji the Jihadist Comic? Been missing his show for months.
I'm looking forward to the "Yo' mama so fat..." routine.
And where is Hadji the Jihadist Comic? Been missing his show for months.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 06:36 PM (1CroS)
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If the slot is still open, I'm taking "Hillary speaks in tongues at the debate" at 6 to 1 odds.
Max Headrooming is at 3 to 2. Whoa.
Max Headrooming is at 3 to 2. Whoa.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:36 PM (rwI+c)
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Anyone else notice we're not seeing any Clinton/Kaine paraphernalia?
The only logo I see is the "H" with the arrow pointing right, and the "stronger together" phrase.
Anyone else notice we're not seeing any Clinton/Kaine paraphernalia?
The only logo I see is the "H" with the arrow pointing right, and the "stronger together" phrase.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:36 PM (xLvb0)
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306
I've seen multiple posts here about NC early voting indicating a huge win for Clinton.
Really? Odd. I must have missed them. Hmm. There's always google.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (rwI+c)
Well, wherever you saw that, it is total BULLSHIT.
Early voting does NOT start till October 20th. Mail in votes ARE NOT counted, until AFTER the election. They started September 9th
I've seen multiple posts here about NC early voting indicating a huge win for Clinton.
Really? Odd. I must have missed them. Hmm. There's always google.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (rwI+c)
Well, wherever you saw that, it is total BULLSHIT.
Early voting does NOT start till October 20th. Mail in votes ARE NOT counted, until AFTER the election. They started September 9th
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:36 PM (NbJXF)
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"Just remember, Axes trolls don't start work til October 1st.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (NbJXF) "
Some of the true believers put in unpaid overtime. And trolling on this site is considered hazard pay - there are much softer targets out there in the interwebz.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (NbJXF) "
Some of the true believers put in unpaid overtime. And trolling on this site is considered hazard pay - there are much softer targets out there in the interwebz.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)
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Ace seems to assume that IF Hillary is elected the country will fall apart. The doom and gloom prophecy. Alas, we survived the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, and are still alive even with the Islamic barbarians at the gate. IF Hillary wins, even 'she' does not have the power to destroy us. Those who assume she does give her WAY too much undeserved credit. She's just another HACK. If she can destroy the country, then we were already doomed. Get on with it. Alas, some of us ARE principled and won't surrender. We might go down, but we'll do so with integrity.
What is happening is the death of conservatism. Accelerated by Trump, and supported by Cruz. GOP has moved to squishy middle, and is even leaning left with many policies promoted by Captain Cheetos. You're going to lose in an electoral landslide, accept the pain. You will, however, lose your integrity, backing a clown thinking all there was between you and the apocalypse was Bozo.
As a wise man said 'not voting for Hillary is the same as electing Trump.' I guess, without voting for him, I am doing the same thing you Trumpers are. Voting (or not) for a candidate that will get 150+ electoral votes, start a new TV channel, and laugh his way to the bank. Good job.
What is happening is the death of conservatism. Accelerated by Trump, and supported by Cruz. GOP has moved to squishy middle, and is even leaning left with many policies promoted by Captain Cheetos. You're going to lose in an electoral landslide, accept the pain. You will, however, lose your integrity, backing a clown thinking all there was between you and the apocalypse was Bozo.
As a wise man said 'not voting for Hillary is the same as electing Trump.' I guess, without voting for him, I am doing the same thing you Trumpers are. Voting (or not) for a candidate that will get 150+ electoral votes, start a new TV channel, and laugh his way to the bank. Good job.
Posted by: Joe at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (xDYmW)
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Trump should crush Hillary's hand at the debate like Superman did to General Zod (movie, not the poster).
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (bqa+Z)
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No, they aren't. But there are #NeverTrumpers with actual, carefully considered reasons for not voting for Trump.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
And you feel your purpose here is to recruit people to your way of thinking?
Why?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
And you feel your purpose here is to recruit people to your way of thinking?
Why?
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (fgAYu)
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A few weeks ago George Will was on the panel of SR and had these pearls of wisdom.
1. He said that Clinton was better because congress would oppose her, but would roll over for Trump.
2. When asked about the SCOTUS appointments, he said well, that certainly is an issue.
Myopic motherfucker.
1. He said that Clinton was better because congress would oppose her, but would roll over for Trump.
2. When asked about the SCOTUS appointments, he said well, that certainly is an issue.
Myopic motherfucker.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (kTF2Z)
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People question Cruz's motives because he doesn't exactly disguise the fact that a lot of his moves are driven by personal ambition. In this case, getting onboard with Trump in case he wins / not being blamed for a close loss. That's not necessarily all it is, but it's obviously a factor.
All your arguments seem to come down to "what about you!?!?" and aggrieved snark to anyone not on the same page though, so have fun
All your arguments seem to come down to "what about you!?!?" and aggrieved snark to anyone not on the same page though, so have fun
Posted by: Talk at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (EvnIA)
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Amen, Ace. On to victory. Trump and the GOP need Cruz's smarts to beat Hillary.
Posted by: Mary at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (2ly7u)
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Let's hope the BLM activists line the streets to cheer Hillary in Charlotte.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (4WhSY)
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256 I think Trump should bring a big plate of hot wings to the debate and challenge Hillary to eat the XXX.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (bqa+Z)
Eating those hot wings really cut into his speaking time. A mixed bag if they were as delicious as he said they were.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:24 PM (bqa+Z)
Eating those hot wings really cut into his speaking time. A mixed bag if they were as delicious as he said they were.
Posted by: The Chicken at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (VdICR)
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I'm completely skeptical anyone can make that case based on anything at this point. It probably represents less than 1% of votes cast.
They don't tally absentee/early votes yet. Anyone using that as a forecast is taking a wild-ass guess for propaganda purposes.
I'm completely skeptical anyone can make that case based on anything at this point. It probably represents less than 1% of votes cast.
They don't tally absentee/early votes yet. Anyone using that as a forecast is taking a wild-ass guess for propaganda purposes.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (3hIZX)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (xLvb0)
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President Obama gave the best reason for Hillary to lose of all that's been said by everyone:
"Vote for Hillary or everything I've accomplished will be overturned"
That's it. Bottom line. Vote for her.... you lock in his work, and get more of the same and worse.
She.
Must.
Lose.
"Vote for Hillary or everything I've accomplished will be overturned"
That's it. Bottom line. Vote for her.... you lock in his work, and get more of the same and worse.
She.
Must.
Lose.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (39g3+)
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As a wise man said 'not voting for Hillary is the same as electing Trump.' I guess, without voting for him, I am doing the same thing you Trumpers are. Voting (or not) for a candidate that will get 150+ electoral votes, start a new TV channel, and laugh his way to the bank. Good job.
Is this English? I can't tell if you're for or agin it.
Is this English? I can't tell if you're for or agin it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (rwI+c)
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Better question: What is Trump's kryptonite?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (xLvb0
Gorgeous models?
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (xLvb0
Gorgeous models?
Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2016 06:38 PM (z/Ubi)
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If the slot is still open, I'm taking "Hillary speaks in tongues at the debate" at 6 to 1 odds.
Max Headrooming is at 3 to 2. Whoa
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I just hope she doesn't remove her clothing.
Max Headrooming is at 3 to 2. Whoa
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I just hope she doesn't remove her clothing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 06:39 PM (Nwg0u)
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Where's the poll troll?
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 23, 2016 06:39 PM (O2RFr)
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At this point I think even a "lifetime" warranty would have expired.
It only applies for the original purchaser anyway.
It only applies for the original purchaser anyway.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:39 PM (rwI+c)
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People question Cruz's motives because he doesn't exactly disguise the fact that a lot of his moves are driven by personal ambition.
Who cares? He's a politician, they're all like that. Hillary is the worst of them.
She's the target.
This is like herding cats.
Who cares? He's a politician, they're all like that. Hillary is the worst of them.
She's the target.
This is like herding cats.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:39 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 23, 2016 06:40 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:40 PM (fgAYu)
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Speaking of which, is someone going to buy out the Craftsman brand? Or is my lifetime warranty going to go poof?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:41 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:41 PM (DqKNm)
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I know I've let myself be "persuaded" on an emotional level. But I have a certain sense of self awareness about. I'm warming up to Trump.
My gut says he would make a decent president. I think he's a showman, so he will act the part of president. He will sell the role, and that will require him to put aside his pettiness.
And I think he's 100% honest about border security.
If you want millions of refugees from the middle east added to our country than fuck you and your principles. What I am saying is your principles are fucking retarded.
My gut says he would make a decent president. I think he's a showman, so he will act the part of president. He will sell the role, and that will require him to put aside his pettiness.
And I think he's 100% honest about border security.
If you want millions of refugees from the middle east added to our country than fuck you and your principles. What I am saying is your principles are fucking retarded.
Posted by: Max Power at September 23, 2016 06:41 PM (q177U)
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A few weeks ago George Will was on the panel of SR and had these pearls of wisdom.
1. He said that Clinton was better because congress would oppose her, but would roll over for Trump.
2. When asked about the SCOTUS appointments, he said well, that certainly is an issue.
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No flies on the Will.
1. He said that Clinton was better because congress would oppose her, but would roll over for Trump.
2. When asked about the SCOTUS appointments, he said well, that certainly is an issue.
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No flies on the Will.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 06:41 PM (Nwg0u)
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So...
Let's say Trump gets elected. I think he will.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Or can every sin be explained by "Clinton would have been worse?"
And if every sin can be thus absolved, is it realistic to keep arguing that the GOP, be it Congress or voters, will reign in his excesses?
Let's say Trump gets elected. I think he will.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Or can every sin be explained by "Clinton would have been worse?"
And if every sin can be thus absolved, is it realistic to keep arguing that the GOP, be it Congress or voters, will reign in his excesses?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (mFkVC)
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Duke Lowell: "A few weeks ago George Will was on the panel of SR and had these pearls of wisdom..."
I think Hillary! must've toppled over and landed on Will's head. Over and over.
I think Hillary! must've toppled over and landed on Will's head. Over and over.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (1CroS)
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Well, it's nice that the head ewok gives space for the terminally stupid "hillarys not so bad" folks...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (C9pBZ)
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Ace, you're not allowed to make this about Hillary.
Posted by: holygoat at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (w9ZBC)
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Anyone call the authorities yet?
I'm worried this endorsement will provoke Warriors1965 from jumping off the bridge that he's been living under since last year.
I'm worried this endorsement will provoke Warriors1965 from jumping off the bridge that he's been living under since last year.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (21hN3)
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I wonder if Hillary seeing the Benghazi families would react like Macbeth to Banquo's ghost?
"Thou canst not say I did it!"
"Thou canst not say I did it!"
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (3hIZX)
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Trump should crush Hillary's hand at the debate like Superman did to General Zod (movie, not the poster).
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (bqa+Z)
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+1
Trump should crush Hillary's hand at the debate like Superman did to General Zod (movie, not the poster).
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 06:37 PM (bqa+Z)
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+1
Posted by: The Committee of Obscure Yet Vitally Important Distinctions at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (5o5ek)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:43 PM (xLvb0)
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:43 PM (3myMJ)
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George Will should just stick to baseball. Even since he decided that the biggest threat to America was blue jeans, he's been irrelevant as a political commentator.
But his baseball writing is solid.
But his baseball writing is solid.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:44 PM (kumBu)
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I wonder how Hillary is physically training for standing up for 90 minutes. If she's not really used to it, that could be....problematic.
I also wonder if Bill really wants Hillary to win or not. I think not. I'm sure there's no love lost between the two and a spiteful part of him would get a chuckle out of her losing.
Not to mention, being First Gentleman would probably really put a crimp in his sex life.
I also wonder if Bill really wants Hillary to win or not. I think not. I'm sure there's no love lost between the two and a spiteful part of him would get a chuckle out of her losing.
Not to mention, being First Gentleman would probably really put a crimp in his sex life.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 06:44 PM (/NlFx)
369
Hillary has broken the law all her life, sometimes so outrageously that she would have gotten the death penalty for it 100 years ago. She's spent her entire career corrupt and filled with contempt for the law, for honor, for virtue, and for truth. She lies constantly even when she doesn't have to, about the most profound and important things. Hillary Clinton is the most evil woman I have ever seen and probably the most evil woman in the history of the world. I believe she is 100% certifiably genuine psychotic, with absolutely no normal human emotions and total contempt for all humanity.
This woman must not win. I don't care about your personal opinions of Trump or the future of the nation. She's evil and must be defeated.
Anyone not able to see or admit that... is in with the evil. Period.
This woman must not win. I don't care about your personal opinions of Trump or the future of the nation. She's evil and must be defeated.
Anyone not able to see or admit that... is in with the evil. Period.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:44 PM (39g3+)
370
I remember when I could buy uranium at Sears.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:45 PM (rwI+c)
371
"Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:43 PM (3myMJ) "
I thought some of the Bernie Bots would be, but seemingly they've all fallen in line like good little lemmings.
I thought some of the Bernie Bots would be, but seemingly they've all fallen in line like good little lemmings.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:45 PM (kumBu)
372
"George Will - Myopic motherfucker."
Guys like Will and Bill Kristol can't now admit how wrong they've been.
I saw Bill Kristol on MSNBC this morning. He was unintentionally hysterical.
He said that "if he has a heart," Donald Trump "knows deep in his heart" that he should never be president. "He just thought this was another reality show episode. ... I like the idea of Donald Trump choking before 100 million people on Monday night."
He was interviewed by MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle, who for me is a more age-appropriate fixation than Hallie Jackson.
Guys like Will and Bill Kristol can't now admit how wrong they've been.
I saw Bill Kristol on MSNBC this morning. He was unintentionally hysterical.
He said that "if he has a heart," Donald Trump "knows deep in his heart" that he should never be president. "He just thought this was another reality show episode. ... I like the idea of Donald Trump choking before 100 million people on Monday night."
He was interviewed by MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle, who for me is a more age-appropriate fixation than Hallie Jackson.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 06:45 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:45 PM (xLvb0)
374
I think that now that Cruz is voting after prayerfull sessions with the lord. How can I continue to fight it?
I am a weak bag of man flesh.
I'm all in on Trump.
I am a weak bag of man flesh.
I'm all in on Trump.
Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:45 PM (6Xbsz)
375
Warrior was bringing up the NC early vote.
We all know Warrior is a useless bag of you know what.
We all know Warrior is a useless bag of you know what.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 23, 2016 06:46 PM (264gc)
376
Let's say Trump gets elected. I think he will.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Or can every sin be explained by "Clinton would have been worse?"
And if every sin can be thus absolved, is it realistic to keep arguing that the GOP, be it Congress or voters, will reign in his excesses?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
What would it take for a President Hillary to do, to convince you that maybe a roll of the dice on Trump would have been a better outcome?
This isn't a hard gamble for most conservatives to make.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Or can every sin be explained by "Clinton would have been worse?"
And if every sin can be thus absolved, is it realistic to keep arguing that the GOP, be it Congress or voters, will reign in his excesses?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
What would it take for a President Hillary to do, to convince you that maybe a roll of the dice on Trump would have been a better outcome?
This isn't a hard gamble for most conservatives to make.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:46 PM (fgAYu)
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:46 PM (3myMJ)
378
369,
Bbbbut what if Trump does something I don't like?
Will you apologize?
/doireallyneedthesarctag?
Heh
Bbbbut what if Trump does something I don't like?
Will you apologize?
/doireallyneedthesarctag?
Heh
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 23, 2016 06:46 PM (C9pBZ)
379
Okay, I borrowed The Avengers: Civil War from a friend in Kazakhstan. BBL
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (rwI+c)
380
Kristol and Will and the rest are, actually, right when it comes to basic conservative principles. Trump has none, or if he has any, its incidental, not by worldview or philosophy.
But that's irrelevant. Trump might be bad, but he's not an evil monster. We cannot let Hillary succeed in turning a lifetime of evil and corruption, death, and lawbreaking, lies and greed into a win at the most powerful level on earth. She must not be allowed to win.
Why is this so hard to work out?
But that's irrelevant. Trump might be bad, but he's not an evil monster. We cannot let Hillary succeed in turning a lifetime of evil and corruption, death, and lawbreaking, lies and greed into a win at the most powerful level on earth. She must not be allowed to win.
Why is this so hard to work out?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (39g3+)
381
What would it take for a President Hillary to do, to convince you that maybe a roll of the dice on Trump would have been a better outcome?
Taking the oath of office.
Taking the oath of office.
Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (z/Ubi)
382
Every voting law gets struck down. No 30 years about it, it's for good.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (2z74n)
Correct. The United States of America will be done as a Constitutional Republic. I'd like to hear one stalwart Nevertrumper to acknowledge that and tell me what traditional Americans are supposed to do in response.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2016 06:33 PM (2z74n)
Correct. The United States of America will be done as a Constitutional Republic. I'd like to hear one stalwart Nevertrumper to acknowledge that and tell me what traditional Americans are supposed to do in response.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (H6376)
383
This woman must not win. I don't care about your personal opinions of Trump or the future of the nation. She's evil and must be defeated.
Anyone not able to see or admit that... is in with the evil. Period.
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Bill "Genius" Mahr says Trump is "absolute evil".
Anyone not able to see or admit that... is in with the evil. Period.
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Bill "Genius" Mahr says Trump is "absolute evil".
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (Nwg0u)
384
Gee. It sounds like Trump could be as big a problem as ...W.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (3hIZX)
385
Posted by: Trismegistus at September 23, 2016 06:26 PM (4aAQP)
Again, that is the nic of a regular commenter. Get your own.
Again, that is the nic of a regular commenter. Get your own.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (GDulk)
386
Are we all still friends.
Posted by: Jean at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (GJ8xA)
387
This woman must not win. I don't care about your personal opinions of Trump or the future of the nation. She's evil and must be defeated.
Anyone not able to see or admit that... is in with the evil. Period.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
What's more, anyone not able to see that should be forced to take in a few of the "Syrian refugees" she'll bring in by the millions.
"Hey #NeverTrumper meet your new roomie!"
Anyone not able to see or admit that... is in with the evil. Period.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
What's more, anyone not able to see that should be forced to take in a few of the "Syrian refugees" she'll bring in by the millions.
"Hey #NeverTrumper meet your new roomie!"
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (DqKNm)
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357 So...
Let's say Trump gets elected. I think he will.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Or can every sin be explained by "Clinton would have been worse?"
And if every sin can be thus absolved, is it realistic to keep arguing that the GOP, be it Congress or voters, will reign in his excesses?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (mFkVC)
++++
He will very likely do some things I will disagree with. But, it is very unlikely that he will turn out to be the guy that the #nevertrumpers portray him as: the evil spawn of Obama and reanimated Hitler.
If he starts out by doing the things he has promised the most loudly: the wall and restricting Muslim immigration, I will view my vote as well spent.
Let's say Trump gets elected. I think he will.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Or can every sin be explained by "Clinton would have been worse?"
And if every sin can be thus absolved, is it realistic to keep arguing that the GOP, be it Congress or voters, will reign in his excesses?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (mFkVC)
++++
He will very likely do some things I will disagree with. But, it is very unlikely that he will turn out to be the guy that the #nevertrumpers portray him as: the evil spawn of Obama and reanimated Hitler.
If he starts out by doing the things he has promised the most loudly: the wall and restricting Muslim immigration, I will view my vote as well spent.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (R+30W)
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Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (mFkVC)
Get a new schtick,you've posted that three times today.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (mFkVC)
Get a new schtick,you've posted that three times today.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (lKyWE)
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What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
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Uh, yeah, okay, if Trump pulls a couple of 180s and does everything Hillary is promising to do, I'll admit that there was no point in voting for either of them this election.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
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Uh, yeah, okay, if Trump pulls a couple of 180s and does everything Hillary is promising to do, I'll admit that there was no point in voting for either of them this election.
Posted by: The Committee of Obscure Yet Vitally Important Distinctions at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (5o5ek)
391
I'm not going to vote this time. I just don't think either candidate is any good.
The liabilities of both are so extreme that I don't see how a reasonable person could choose between them.
The liabilities of both are so extreme that I don't see how a reasonable person could choose between them.
Posted by: sauropod at September 23, 2016 06:48 PM (8W1WC)
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"Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:44 PM (39g3+) "
To use an appropriately nerdy analogy for the HQ, it's like a party of PC's is about the fight the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Guy) at the climax of a DD campaign, and the Paladin decides he's going to just sit this one out because the party contains a True Neutral Wizard that uses spells from the Necromancy school.
"Sure, if the BBEG wins, humanity will be crushed under his heel for millennia and death and destruction will cover the land, but I just can't sacrifice my principles."
To use an appropriately nerdy analogy for the HQ, it's like a party of PC's is about the fight the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Guy) at the climax of a DD campaign, and the Paladin decides he's going to just sit this one out because the party contains a True Neutral Wizard that uses spells from the Necromancy school.
"Sure, if the BBEG wins, humanity will be crushed under his heel for millennia and death and destruction will cover the land, but I just can't sacrifice my principles."
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:49 PM (kumBu)
393
Finally here at Andrews
As for Mr Cruz, better late than never but I wish he had made the huge brouhaha he did at the convention,
Ok onwards and upwards
As for Mr Cruz, better late than never but I wish he had made the huge brouhaha he did at the convention,
Ok onwards and upwards
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:49 PM (FPzw8)
394
"...given they get so upset if we question theirs?"
How dare they do this thing we've been doing to them for months, only WE the loyal GOP who will eat their crap and get NOTHNG EVER can question the motivations of others!!!
Ok Ace, you've persuaded me again; you're a special fucking unique snowflake who must be treated as a special amazing unique creature and NOT as you treat others.
Or did that sound somewhat hypocritical when I pointed out what you clearly just said?
Yeah, I'm probably not treating you specially enough here.
You dish it up, but for some reason get REALLY whiny about taking it.
Why is that?
How dare they do this thing we've been doing to them for months, only WE the loyal GOP who will eat their crap and get NOTHNG EVER can question the motivations of others!!!
Ok Ace, you've persuaded me again; you're a special fucking unique snowflake who must be treated as a special amazing unique creature and NOT as you treat others.
Or did that sound somewhat hypocritical when I pointed out what you clearly just said?
Yeah, I'm probably not treating you specially enough here.
You dish it up, but for some reason get REALLY whiny about taking it.
Why is that?
Posted by: gekkobear at September 23, 2016 06:49 PM (2iR3c)
395
Crazy eyed hill is ahead in the early vote count for NC but this is normal for the democrat to be ahead in early voting. The key thing is whether she is underperforming compared to sir golfsalot and it appears that's what's happening so far.
So if the norm is being 20 points ahead in early
Voting but hill is only ahead 15 she's in deep shit.
So if the norm is being 20 points ahead in early
Voting but hill is only ahead 15 she's in deep shit.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 23, 2016 06:49 PM (5JBUT)
396
Kristol and Will and the rest are, actually, right when it comes to basic conservative principles.
And yet, they're cheerleaders for the GOPe, who've been anything but.
And yet, they're cheerleaders for the GOPe, who've been anything but.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:49 PM (3hIZX)
397
39
"Appease us! Say nice things to us! Court us! Pay attention to us!"
--- things adults usually do not say
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
It's not the absence of pretty compliments that people are complaining about, it's the anti-logic of demanding rigid loyalty with a tone of hateful aggression while acting like it's ridiculous to not think being a wholly loyal adherent to a movement that hates you with such ferocity is in your best interest. Trump supporters want something from us (loyalty to a GOP we're not feeling loyal towards), and talk like they can demand it. We'll shut the fuck up with our demands once you do. We didn't need you to validate our specialness, we needed you to demonstrate your worth as moral actors to us, that you didn't have the same avarice for political self-imposition as the social justice warriors, and well, you certainly showed us. If you don't want us in your coalition, I'm more than happy to oblige, now and in 2020 when you have to run against a candidate who isn't dying before our eyes and drowning in scandals.
I've come to believe that the GOP rank and file is composed of people who either want authoritarianism, because they've embraced the idea that that's how you beat Democrats, or who are too afraid to challenge that because they can't stand to not have the home team out of power. Neither faction can offer me a worthwhile incentive to align with them. If we're just arguing between two aspirationally authoritarian parties, it's of no use to insist to me "vote for Trump, because he'll suck more at being authoritarian." You can swap out Trump for Cruz as the candidate today, and it won't budge me any, I'm done with this party.
"Appease us! Say nice things to us! Court us! Pay attention to us!"
--- things adults usually do not say
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 05:51 PM (dciA+)
It's not the absence of pretty compliments that people are complaining about, it's the anti-logic of demanding rigid loyalty with a tone of hateful aggression while acting like it's ridiculous to not think being a wholly loyal adherent to a movement that hates you with such ferocity is in your best interest. Trump supporters want something from us (loyalty to a GOP we're not feeling loyal towards), and talk like they can demand it. We'll shut the fuck up with our demands once you do. We didn't need you to validate our specialness, we needed you to demonstrate your worth as moral actors to us, that you didn't have the same avarice for political self-imposition as the social justice warriors, and well, you certainly showed us. If you don't want us in your coalition, I'm more than happy to oblige, now and in 2020 when you have to run against a candidate who isn't dying before our eyes and drowning in scandals.
I've come to believe that the GOP rank and file is composed of people who either want authoritarianism, because they've embraced the idea that that's how you beat Democrats, or who are too afraid to challenge that because they can't stand to not have the home team out of power. Neither faction can offer me a worthwhile incentive to align with them. If we're just arguing between two aspirationally authoritarian parties, it's of no use to insist to me "vote for Trump, because he'll suck more at being authoritarian." You can swap out Trump for Cruz as the candidate today, and it won't budge me any, I'm done with this party.
Posted by: reform highlander at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (jCH/T)
398
" I'm not going to vote this time. I just don't think either candidate is any good.
The liabilities of both are so extreme that I don't see how a reasonable person could choose between them."
Fantastic. One less person who has any right to bitch about anything. That's a plus.
The liabilities of both are so extreme that I don't see how a reasonable person could choose between them."
Fantastic. One less person who has any right to bitch about anything. That's a plus.
Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (6Xbsz)
399
Amerigeddon is available for download, too.
What's it about?
It's about this:
A fictional depiction of a future wherein a globalist terrorist organization aligned with the United Nations to disable the United States' power grid and institutes Martial Law. It will take a dedicated family of patriots armed with strong survival skills and the remains of the Second Amendment to save America and reclaim its freedom.
Amerigeddon is available for download, too.
What's it about?
It's about this:
A fictional depiction of a future wherein a globalist terrorist organization aligned with the United Nations to disable the United States' power grid and institutes Martial Law. It will take a dedicated family of patriots armed with strong survival skills and the remains of the Second Amendment to save America and reclaim its freedom.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (xLvb0)
400
Congess has done so much against Barak George Will, what exactly is your basis for thinking they will stop the first woman criminal ?
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (JfUI4)
401
The argument (if it's supposed to be persuasive) that "I promised myself" something, it's weak. Who cares besides you.? You're not persuading anyone else. Your promises mean nothing compared to the direction of the country.
Now if you just want to state your FEELINGS, well, I guess that fair.
Now if you just want to state your FEELINGS, well, I guess that fair.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (U+nHb)
402
380 Kristol and Will and the rest are, actually, right when it comes to basic conservative principles
George Will loves him some amnesty.
George Will loves him some amnesty.
Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (z/Ubi)
403
382 Correct. The United States of America will be done
as a Constitutional Republic. I'd like to hear one stalwart
Nevertrumper to acknowledge that and tell me what traditional Americans
are supposed to do in response.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (H6376)
The US started losing the Constitution when Adams was elected and he pushed a crooked land scheming lawyer on to the court. It was finished in the 30s when FDR was elected after which he packed the court from which we have never recovered.
as a Constitutional Republic. I'd like to hear one stalwart
Nevertrumper to acknowledge that and tell me what traditional Americans
are supposed to do in response.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 23, 2016 06:47 PM (H6376)
The US started losing the Constitution when Adams was elected and he pushed a crooked land scheming lawyer on to the court. It was finished in the 30s when FDR was elected after which he packed the court from which we have never recovered.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (FPzw8)
405
>>>
Why is that?
Um, because we're tired of you butthurt drama queens and wish you would just go away forever?
Why is that?
Um, because we're tired of you butthurt drama queens and wish you would just go away forever?
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (dciA+)
406
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:42 PM (mFkVC)
Why the hell is blaming people more important to you than the country?
Why the hell is blaming people more important to you than the country?
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (3myMJ)
407
If Trump ends up being the worst President ever, literally worse than Hitler, etc., then I'll say "my bad."
While you're predicting the future, how are the Indians going to do in the playoffs without Salazar and Carrasco? I'm worried, but I still think we might surprise a lot of people. I wish I had perfect foresight like you, though.
While you're predicting the future, how are the Indians going to do in the playoffs without Salazar and Carrasco? I'm worried, but I still think we might surprise a lot of people. I wish I had perfect foresight like you, though.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (kumBu)
408
The liabilities of both are so extreme that I don't see how a reasonable person could choose between them.
Weird because I don't know how any reasonable person can't see the stark differences between them.
The liabilities of both are so extreme that I don't see how a reasonable person could choose between them.
Weird because I don't know how any reasonable person can't see the stark differences between them.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (xLvb0)
409
Fantastic. One less person who has any right to bitch about anything. That's a plus.
Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (6Xbsz)
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Amen.
Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:50 PM (6Xbsz)
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Amen.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (U+nHb)
410
Hillary winning means a woman who laughed at alittle girl's pain at rape... who attacked the woman her husband raped and molested as sluts and crazy women, white trash... a woman who worked to stop her own embassy staff from being rescued, then blamed the attack on a video... a woman who deliberately set up a server and engaged in classified dialog with top secret or better documentation that had lousy security... a woman who stole documents about her overbilling in a law firm and hid them for years, shredding anything incriminating... a woman who has violated campaign finance laws so overpoweringly she'd be spending Methusela's lifetime in prison if there was any justice... that woman gets rewarded for all the horrific things she has done and more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (39g3+)
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399 Fantastic. One less person who has any right to bitch about anything. That's a plus.
Oh, I reserve the right to complain - mainly about the bad judgment of the primary and caucus voters who gave us these two terrible candidates.
Oh, I reserve the right to complain - mainly about the bad judgment of the primary and caucus voters who gave us these two terrible candidates.
Posted by: sauropod at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (8W1WC)
412
So how about them Knicks?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (FPzw8)
413
We are going to need a music thread real soon or we all might be certified
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (JfUI4)
414
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (FPzw
Haven't seen so many flounces since my dad's cousin re-decorated.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (FPzw
Haven't seen so many flounces since my dad's cousin re-decorated.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (KOBAq)
415
Once a #nevertrumper was on a forum, and he saw a comment that supported the idea of voting for Trump. He said, I will opine heavily on this. And he typed out his message, and his mouse hovered over the post button.
Then his heart grew three sizes larger. He said, "You know what, I said something quite similar yesterday."
Then his heart grew three sizes larger. He said, "You know what, I said something quite similar yesterday."
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2016 06:53 PM (VdICR)
416
I also wonder if Bill really wants Hillary to win or not. I think not. I'm sure there's no love lost between the two and a spiteful part of him would get a chuckle out of her losing.
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I used to wonder, then I found out about the Clinton Foundation and thought hell YES he wants her to win, but then the campaign happened and now that I've seen what a creaking, rasping, tottering, confused, shrinking, old pile of bones he is, I'd bet that if she loses he'll shrug, collect his $hare, bail Chappaqua, and spend the rest of his days getting his cock sucked in the back of a limo.
I also wonder if Bill really wants Hillary to win or not. I think not. I'm sure there's no love lost between the two and a spiteful part of him would get a chuckle out of her losing.
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I used to wonder, then I found out about the Clinton Foundation and thought hell YES he wants her to win, but then the campaign happened and now that I've seen what a creaking, rasping, tottering, confused, shrinking, old pile of bones he is, I'd bet that if she loses he'll shrug, collect his $hare, bail Chappaqua, and spend the rest of his days getting his cock sucked in the back of a limo.
Posted by: The Committee of Obscure Yet Vitally Important Distinctions at September 23, 2016 06:53 PM (5o5ek)
417
>>The argument (if it's supposed to be persuasive) that "I promised myself" something, it's weak. Who cares besides you.? You're not persuading anyone else. Your promises mean nothing compared to the direction of the country.
I love that self-booting "argument:" I SAID I was neverTrump, therefore I'm neverTrump!
What a solipsistic, egotistical "argument:" "I said this thing in anger a few months ago but my words, like those of my Lord Jesus Christ, are infallible and the Words of the Living God Himself, and therefore are to always be obeyed like a new commandment made of my own breath!"
Eh, go fuck yourselves, "I made a vow before God Himself on Twitter" idiots.
I love that self-booting "argument:" I SAID I was neverTrump, therefore I'm neverTrump!
What a solipsistic, egotistical "argument:" "I said this thing in anger a few months ago but my words, like those of my Lord Jesus Christ, are infallible and the Words of the Living God Himself, and therefore are to always be obeyed like a new commandment made of my own breath!"
Eh, go fuck yourselves, "I made a vow before God Himself on Twitter" idiots.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 06:53 PM (dciA+)
418
mainly about the bad judgment of the primary and caucus voters who gave us these two terrible candidates.
Your complaint is noted. And filed.
mainly about the bad judgment of the primary and caucus voters who gave us these two terrible candidates.
Your complaint is noted. And filed.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:53 PM (xLvb0)
419
Why the hell is blaming people more important to you than the country?
He's trying to maintain his purity of essence.
He's trying to maintain his purity of essence.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 23, 2016 06:53 PM (4WhSY)
420
"Gee i've been here 3 minutes and it looks awful depressing.
Sigh"
Surprisingly for some. So much talk of George Will and Bill Kristol under a story on Cruz endorsing Trump and then. Not really surprising for many.
Sigh"
Surprisingly for some. So much talk of George Will and Bill Kristol under a story on Cruz endorsing Trump and then. Not really surprising for many.
Posted by: Drider at September 23, 2016 06:53 PM (6Xbsz)
421
For the first time in a long time, the R primary voters chose wisely.
For the first time in a long time, the R primary voters chose wisely.
Posted by: Harmonious Fists at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (xLvb0)
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (xpSCc)
423
"They don't tally absentee/early votes yet. Anyone using that as a forecast is taking a wild-ass guess for propaganda purposes.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles"
Exactly, the only information available now is data from total ballots delivered by true believers (or people in nursing homes whose union nursesvote for them). So, of course, it's bias. I'm worried not.
"They don't tally absentee/early votes yet. Anyone using that as a forecast is taking a wild-ass guess for propaganda purposes.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles"
Exactly, the only information available now is data from total ballots delivered by true believers (or people in nursing homes whose union nursesvote for them). So, of course, it's bias. I'm worried not.
Posted by: Jean at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (GJ8xA)
424
I don't care what Trump does.....we are long past "saving" this or "fixing" that.
We must defeat Hillary simply because she is an evil bint bent on doing more evil if elected.
Hillary must lose, go away and hopefully take a dirt nap soon. That's all I give a damn about right now.
Keep it simple, stupid.
We must defeat Hillary simply because she is an evil bint bent on doing more evil if elected.
Hillary must lose, go away and hopefully take a dirt nap soon. That's all I give a damn about right now.
Keep it simple, stupid.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (ej1L0)
425
Maybe during the debate, when DistHillary turns and looks at Trump, he can say, "Whoa! Are you looking at me or at someone in the audience?"
Posted by: Furious George at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (57K5j)
426
what about your previous vow to stop Hillary Clinton from being president?
Seems to me a lot of you made THAT pledge as well, but I guess THAT pledge is more easily disposed of.
Seems to me a lot of you made THAT pledge as well, but I guess THAT pledge is more easily disposed of.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (dciA+)
427
WeaselDog is a little smelly. Looks like she'll be doing some kitchen sink time tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (Sfs6o)
428
Haven't seen so many flounces since my dad's cousin re-decorated.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (KOBAq)
LOL
This is the new mellow Nevergiveup
I listened to "easy listening" on the way from Home to DC..LOL
Man that Perry Como is talented?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:52 PM (KOBAq)
LOL
This is the new mellow Nevergiveup
I listened to "easy listening" on the way from Home to DC..LOL
Man that Perry Como is talented?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (FPzw8)
429
I suspect that if she loses, Bill will be dead within three years. She may live a bit longer, but it won't be pretty.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 23, 2016 06:55 PM (3hIZX)
430
>>>Sure, if the BBEG wins, humanity will be crushed under his heel for millennia and death and destruction will cover the land, but I just can't sacrifice my principles."
LMAO!!
LMAO!!
Posted by: Max Power at September 23, 2016 06:55 PM (q177U)
431
If Killary were on fire I wouldn't piss on her. If I saw Killary laying on he sidewalk needing CPR I would step on her throat. I would tell G-d that I would let him sort it out.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 23, 2016 06:55 PM (+Ktxg)
432
They've been rereleasing Zappa's back catalog on vinyl, so there's something positive we can talk about.
The remaster of Hot Rats is fantastic.
The remaster of Hot Rats is fantastic.
Posted by: Chupacabra at September 23, 2016 06:55 PM (kL1bp)
433
"Sure, if the BBEG wins, humanity will be crushed under his heel for millennia and death and destruction will cover the land, but I just can't sacrifice my principles."
Yeah, pretty much. And I've been in campaigns like that. "I'm lawful good, I cannot bend!" Except in this case, you're not bending to work to fight the evil. You're not endorsing the Druid. You're not helping evil. You're being the evil.
Yeah, pretty much. And I've been in campaigns like that. "I'm lawful good, I cannot bend!" Except in this case, you're not bending to work to fight the evil. You're not endorsing the Druid. You're not helping evil. You're being the evil.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)
434
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (xpSCc)
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Hi bluebell - feeling better this evening?
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Hi bluebell - feeling better this evening?
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 06:55 PM (Sfs6o)
435
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
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Ok, person, I'll bite. Under a Trump admin, congress will suddenly rediscover that they're a co-equal branch. Trump will be opposed by both parties plus the media. Nothing wacky is getting through. Also, Ginsberg, Kennedy, and Souter aren't getting any younger. Who do you want making the nominations?
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
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Ok, person, I'll bite. Under a Trump admin, congress will suddenly rediscover that they're a co-equal branch. Trump will be opposed by both parties plus the media. Nothing wacky is getting through. Also, Ginsberg, Kennedy, and Souter aren't getting any younger. Who do you want making the nominations?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2016 06:56 PM (kTF2Z)
436
Perry Como is great, but Rosemary Clooney is wonderful
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:56 PM (KOBAq)
437
Kristol and Will and the rest are, actually, right when it comes to basic conservative principles. Trump has none, or if he has any, its incidental, not by worldview or philosophy.
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I know you're not making a NeverTrump point, but I would actually disagree that Trump has no conservative principles.
I think he's largely a center-right guy that focused on the biggest issue that really matters.
It would be very easy for him to have been a typical NYC liberal and been a Democrat.
He's no Culture Warrior, but I would easily say he is to the "Right" of probably any nominee we've had in the last several decades besides Reagan.
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I know you're not making a NeverTrump point, but I would actually disagree that Trump has no conservative principles.
I think he's largely a center-right guy that focused on the biggest issue that really matters.
It would be very easy for him to have been a typical NYC liberal and been a Democrat.
He's no Culture Warrior, but I would easily say he is to the "Right" of probably any nominee we've had in the last several decades besides Reagan.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (fgAYu)
438
Why the hell is blaming people more important to you than the country?
Posted by: Meremortal.
Hey, we all can't derive contentment from careers, family, and accomplishments now can we?
Posted by: Meremortal.
Hey, we all can't derive contentment from careers, family, and accomplishments now can we?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (V3IFq)
439
NGU, are you at Andrews to drill teeth or push papers?
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (xpSCc)
Good question..both.
Primarily to do dentistry but I also have to Train my Replacement for the Job I am leaving and she happens to live down here. Her husband has a pretty big Yob in the Army. So I can kill 2 birds at the same time.
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 06:54 PM (xpSCc)
Good question..both.
Primarily to do dentistry but I also have to Train my Replacement for the Job I am leaving and she happens to live down here. Her husband has a pretty big Yob in the Army. So I can kill 2 birds at the same time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (FPzw8)
440
From what evidence does that bespectacled clown draw the conclusion that Congress will roll over Trump OR fight Hilary any harder than they have Obama?
Posted by: Jean at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (GJ8xA)
441
new thread
ps I'm pretty sure when they're picking Supreme Court justices, it won't be which side got the most votes that gets to nominate judges, but which side screamed the loudest about their "principles"
ps I'm pretty sure when they're picking Supreme Court justices, it won't be which side got the most votes that gets to nominate judges, but which side screamed the loudest about their "principles"
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (dciA+)
442
408 "Weird because I don't know how any reasonable person can't see the stark differences between them."
I agree there are stark differences, but the problem is that both candidates are awful. They're just awful in different ways.
However, I don't criticize anyone for thinking Trump is slightly better, or Hillary is slightly better. It's a case of picking your poison. There are no right answers.
I agree there are stark differences, but the problem is that both candidates are awful. They're just awful in different ways.
However, I don't criticize anyone for thinking Trump is slightly better, or Hillary is slightly better. It's a case of picking your poison. There are no right answers.
Posted by: sauropod at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (8W1WC)
443
"Whoa! Are you looking at me or at someone in the audience?"
Or when Trump is walking up to Hillary:
"Why don't you go where you're looking"
Or when Trump is walking up to Hillary:
"Why don't you go where you're looking"
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (r1fLd)
444
I would actually spit on my principles if I thought I was making some kind of gain for this Country. Corny? Maybe. But after listening to the ex Special Forces/FBI guy speak on Hannity's show about the thorough corruption of CAIR into our government I put my country above lots of things.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (U+nHb)
445
Christopher R. Taylor is the most clear-headed commenter on this site!
Posted by: Never NeverTrumper at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (ZD+J8)
446
I thought it would be a good thing for the country if Cruz endorsed Trump because Hillary and the Globalist Marxism and Cultural Marxism are the enemies.
Glad Cruz endorsed Trump. I pray they can find common ground to work together on for American Nationalism.
Glad Cruz endorsed Trump. I pray they can find common ground to work together on for American Nationalism.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (kBiSH)
447
Why the hell is blaming people more important to you than the country?
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (3myMJ)
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It's not about blaming people. It's about the fact that I don't think a lot of "Conservatives" are going to be willing to oppose Trump very vigorously. They'll spin, they'll excuse, they'll redefine "Conservatism" to mean "whatever Trump says" - we're already seeing a lot of that.
This country means a great deal to me. It needs a Conservative party. At the moment, the GOPe is spineless and largely nominally Conservative with a few members who actually push Constitutional principles. I think the party under Trump would be even worse (yes, that's possible) and Conservatism would be entirely voiceless, cast into the wilderness. And that isn't good for the country.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 06:51 PM (3myMJ)
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It's not about blaming people. It's about the fact that I don't think a lot of "Conservatives" are going to be willing to oppose Trump very vigorously. They'll spin, they'll excuse, they'll redefine "Conservatism" to mean "whatever Trump says" - we're already seeing a lot of that.
This country means a great deal to me. It needs a Conservative party. At the moment, the GOPe is spineless and largely nominally Conservative with a few members who actually push Constitutional principles. I think the party under Trump would be even worse (yes, that's possible) and Conservatism would be entirely voiceless, cast into the wilderness. And that isn't good for the country.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (mFkVC)
448
There are so many crimes Hillary will never pay for, any misery she receives willbe small payment
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (JfUI4)
449
We must defeat Hillary simply because she is an evil bint bent on doing more evil if elected.
It really does come down to that in the end. And I'm just hoping we live in a nation where people do care at least some about justice, and truth, and the future. Just a little. Just enough to say "you know what? No, Hillary. Not you."
It really does come down to that in the end. And I'm just hoping we live in a nation where people do care at least some about justice, and truth, and the future. Just a little. Just enough to say "you know what? No, Hillary. Not you."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (39g3+)
450
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
IF is the key word there. Hillary Clinton WILL do those things. I'll take my chances. I'll also vote for the most conservative down ticket people I can find and work to oust them if it turns out they are not. I think focusing locally is more important at this point.
IF is the key word there. Hillary Clinton WILL do those things. I'll take my chances. I'll also vote for the most conservative down ticket people I can find and work to oust them if it turns out they are not. I think focusing locally is more important at this point.
Posted by: no good deed at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (/O5Ax)
451
Weasel, thanks for asking - I finally am. My headache cleared up a few hours ago. Haven't eaten much today because I haven't felt like it, but that's not a bad thing. My husband got home just a bit ago and said he's a little under the weather too. We are just going to grab a little something from the fridge and then veg in front of the tv for the evening. Sounds delightful for once.
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 06:59 PM (xpSCc)
452
"How come we can't convince those fucking racist Nazi Trump supporters to join NeverTrump?"
"Have you tried calling them racist Nazi's yet?"
"All the time!"
"Beats me. Maybe try calling them unprincipled sellouts?"
"Done!"
"Have you tried calling them racist Nazi's yet?"
"All the time!"
"Beats me. Maybe try calling them unprincipled sellouts?"
"Done!"
Posted by: holygoat at September 23, 2016 06:59 PM (I5PSb)
Posted by: no good deed at September 23, 2016 06:59 PM (/O5Ax)
454
There are no right answers.
Posted by: sauropod at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (8W1WC)
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HooBoy, yes, yes there are, Hillary has actually sold her influence over policy for $$$$.
Posted by: sauropod at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (8W1WC)
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HooBoy, yes, yes there are, Hillary has actually sold her influence over policy for $$$$.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 23, 2016 06:59 PM (U+nHb)
455
Christopher R. Taylor is the most clear-headed commenter on this site!
Let's not get crazy here. If I'm right once in a while its because I learned from people here. All I'm saying is the same thing Ace has been saying for six months or longer here.
Let's not get crazy here. If I'm right once in a while its because I learned from people here. All I'm saying is the same thing Ace has been saying for six months or longer here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 07:00 PM (39g3+)
456
436 Perry Como is great, but Rosemary Clooney is wonderful
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:56 PM (KOBAq)
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Yes, and yes, but Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin for the win.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 23, 2016 06:56 PM (KOBAq)
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Yes, and yes, but Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin for the win.
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 07:00 PM (xpSCc)
457
>>>It's not about blaming people. It's about the fact that I don't think a lot of "Conservatives" are going to be willing to oppose Trump very vigorously. They'll spin, they'll excuse, they'll redefine "Conservatism" to mean "whatever Trump says" - we're already seeing a lot of that.
right, you mean like the Establishment crew who's forever making excuses for the latest GOP sell-out, or the Establishment crew given to saying things like "It's CRAZY to think we can or should push Boehner out of office! He's the ONLY MAN who can possibly lead us!"
Mitch McConnell just sold out GOP 'principles" for the umpteenth time yet I don't hear the #NeverTrump crew making much fuss about that, or fretting that GOP principles are being bent and mutilated.
right, you mean like the Establishment crew who's forever making excuses for the latest GOP sell-out, or the Establishment crew given to saying things like "It's CRAZY to think we can or should push Boehner out of office! He's the ONLY MAN who can possibly lead us!"
Mitch McConnell just sold out GOP 'principles" for the umpteenth time yet I don't hear the #NeverTrump crew making much fuss about that, or fretting that GOP principles are being bent and mutilated.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)
458
451 well that's good. Think it could be allergies? I was a little stuffy the other day and heard there is some sort of pollen or mold (or dust!) that's bad right now.
We got "A Mighty Wind" at your suggestion and watched it the other night - very funny!
We got "A Mighty Wind" at your suggestion and watched it the other night - very funny!
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 07:01 PM (Sfs6o)
459
I think the party under Trump would be even worse (yes, that's possible) and Conservatism would be entirely voiceless, cast into the wilderness. And that isn't good for the country.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Emotionally-driven conjecture wrapped in patriotism?
Sounds like a winning position to me.
Pass the paste.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Emotionally-driven conjecture wrapped in patriotism?
Sounds like a winning position to me.
Pass the paste.
Posted by: Joe 'he gonna put u in chainz' Biden at September 23, 2016 07:01 PM (V3IFq)
460
Anyone hear from L, Elle ? Last posting I know was the aborted ONT
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2016 07:02 PM (JfUI4)
461
Primarily to do dentistry but I also have to Train
my Replacement for the Job I am leaving and she happens to live down
here. Her husband has a pretty big Yob in the Army. So I can kill 2
birds at the same time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (FPzw
Wow. An American training an American for a job.
Quaint and old-fashioned...
my Replacement for the Job I am leaving and she happens to live down
here. Her husband has a pretty big Yob in the Army. So I can kill 2
birds at the same time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 23, 2016 06:57 PM (FPzw
Wow. An American training an American for a job.
Quaint and old-fashioned...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (/NlFx)
462
390
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Yeah. We made a mistake taking a chance with Trump rather than going with the sure disaster Hillary brings.
I recommend watching an episode or two of Lets Make a Deal. Friendly Pro Tip- If you just won a donkey cart go ahead and trade it for what is behind the curtain that Carol Merrill is standing in front of.
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
Will you say it if he pushes single payer? If he nominates a liberal or even a squishy supreme court judge?
Yeah. We made a mistake taking a chance with Trump rather than going with the sure disaster Hillary brings.
I recommend watching an episode or two of Lets Make a Deal. Friendly Pro Tip- If you just won a donkey cart go ahead and trade it for what is behind the curtain that Carol Merrill is standing in front of.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (f/tWz)
463
Trump needs to wear a very reflective watch at he debate and flash it at Hillary when he talks.
"And Hillary *flash*flash*flash* uses her position *flash*flash*flash* to pad her pockets..."
*Hillary writhing on floor, debate and election over.*
"And Hillary *flash*flash*flash* uses her position *flash*flash*flash* to pad her pockets..."
*Hillary writhing on floor, debate and election over.*
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (3myMJ)
464
There are no right answers.
The answer is simple.
Hillary has a lifetime and career of horrendous and even illegal activity with a body count. Even if, policy wise, her and Trump were identical she still should lose, so she doesn't benefit from and succeed upon this pile of bones, greed, and injustice.
This is not complicated. Its obvious.
The answer is simple.
Hillary has a lifetime and career of horrendous and even illegal activity with a body count. Even if, policy wise, her and Trump were identical she still should lose, so she doesn't benefit from and succeed upon this pile of bones, greed, and injustice.
This is not complicated. Its obvious.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)
465
kristol and will are establishment hacks.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (0O7c5)
466
Weasel, yep, I think it might be allergies.
Glad you liked Mighty Wind! We thought it was hilarious. Have you seen Its a Mad Mad Mad Mad World recently? If not, then you must.
Glad you liked Mighty Wind! We thought it was hilarious. Have you seen Its a Mad Mad Mad Mad World recently? If not, then you must.
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (xpSCc)
467
meh. This is a calculated move by Cruz and if it gives him peace of mind, good for him.
Posted by: Fritz at September 23, 2016 07:05 PM (wOc4Q)
468
If the Clintons had just faded away after 2000 we might not have noticed that they are capable of anything to advance their interests and satisfy their appetites.
What's remarkable is how undisciplined and reckless they've both been at doing this. Bill never thought Monica would keep a cum-stained dress. Hillary never thought her secret server would be exposed. There's a lot more that may not have come to light.
What do you think happens if Hillary wins the White House so that there's no longer any restraint on her and Bill's appetites?
What's remarkable is how undisciplined and reckless they've both been at doing this. Bill never thought Monica would keep a cum-stained dress. Hillary never thought her secret server would be exposed. There's a lot more that may not have come to light.
What do you think happens if Hillary wins the White House so that there's no longer any restraint on her and Bill's appetites?
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 07:05 PM (r1fLd)
469
Whatever you think of Trump, the Republicans in Congress have certainly proven him right in what he says about them.
Posted by: AD at September 23, 2016 07:05 PM (924j6)
470
right, you mean like the Establishment crew who's forever making excuses for the latest GOP sell-out, or the Establishment crew given to saying things like "It's CRAZY to think we can or should push Boehner out of office! He's the ONLY MAN who can possibly lead us!"
Mitch McConnell just sold out GOP 'principles" for the umpteenth time yet I don't hear the #NeverTrump crew making much fuss about that, or fretting that GOP principles are being bent and mutilated.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)
Yes, McConnell has. And some of the #NeverTrumpers you won't acknowledge, guys like Shapiro, do complain about it at great length. Frankly, a lot of the folks at NR do too.
But they'll cave even quicker when Trump pushes through his big-government programs. And the pressure to conform placed on reluctant Conservatives will be even greater. And the "Conservative" media will push Trumpian, not Conservative, ideals.
It can get worse.
Things really can get worse.
Mitch McConnell just sold out GOP 'principles" for the umpteenth time yet I don't hear the #NeverTrump crew making much fuss about that, or fretting that GOP principles are being bent and mutilated.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)
Yes, McConnell has. And some of the #NeverTrumpers you won't acknowledge, guys like Shapiro, do complain about it at great length. Frankly, a lot of the folks at NR do too.
But they'll cave even quicker when Trump pushes through his big-government programs. And the pressure to conform placed on reluctant Conservatives will be even greater. And the "Conservative" media will push Trumpian, not Conservative, ideals.
It can get worse.
Things really can get worse.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:05 PM (mFkVC)
471
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
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There will be plenty of time for that, but don't your think all those things you THINK Trump will do, Hillary will ACTUALLY do, you know, because she said so?
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There will be plenty of time for that, but don't your think all those things you THINK Trump will do, Hillary will ACTUALLY do, you know, because she said so?
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 23, 2016 07:05 PM (U+nHb)
472
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (mFkVC)
BS. You never talk that stuff until you are challenged. Your entire interest is ragging on Trumpers. for voting for him.
BS. You never talk that stuff until you are challenged. Your entire interest is ragging on Trumpers. for voting for him.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 07:06 PM (3myMJ)
473
>>>431 If Killary were on fire I wouldn't piss on her.
I guess I never really understood this one. If someone was on fire, and you didn't like them, then you *wouldn't* piss on them? Does that imply if you liked them you would piss on them? So I'm running around like on fire and screaming and my skin's melting and my supposed friend is running around with his dick out trying to piss on me? Or like a female friend is trying to do somersaults or something? Wouldn't I be like, hey stop pissing on me and I don't know maybe get a fire extinguisher or a blanket or something? Seems like if someone you didn't like was on fire, you *would* try to piss on them. But there's still a lot of logistical issues to work out.
I guess I never really understood this one. If someone was on fire, and you didn't like them, then you *wouldn't* piss on them? Does that imply if you liked them you would piss on them? So I'm running around like on fire and screaming and my skin's melting and my supposed friend is running around with his dick out trying to piss on me? Or like a female friend is trying to do somersaults or something? Wouldn't I be like, hey stop pissing on me and I don't know maybe get a fire extinguisher or a blanket or something? Seems like if someone you didn't like was on fire, you *would* try to piss on them. But there's still a lot of logistical issues to work out.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 23, 2016 07:06 PM (bqa+Z)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:07 PM (lKyWE)
475
BS. You never talk that stuff until you are challenged. Your entire interest is ragging on Trumpers. for voting for him.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 07:06 PM (3myMJ)
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To be clear, the only people I "rag on" are the people who voted for him in the primary. Voting for him to stop Clinton, I get that.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 07:06 PM (3myMJ)
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To be clear, the only people I "rag on" are the people who voted for him in the primary. Voting for him to stop Clinton, I get that.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (mFkVC)
476
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at September 23, 2016 06:12 PM (CNHr1)
Thanks jewells, and hello! How are you??? And your mama?
I thought it was something Trump had done to his own father.
I was a Cruzer for sure, but that particular jab he should have laughed off.
The wife, I can see that one, but the one about his dad was ridiculous enough to be mocked. (Even though he was there and what are the odds of that?)
Thanks jewells, and hello! How are you??? And your mama?
I thought it was something Trump had done to his own father.
I was a Cruzer for sure, but that particular jab he should have laughed off.
The wife, I can see that one, but the one about his dad was ridiculous enough to be mocked. (Even though he was there and what are the odds of that?)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (GcpvU)
477
I think this endorsement might help Trump in the Cuban-American community.
You must understand that accusing Papa Cruz of being a Commie accomplice of Oswald is rather like accusing a Holocaust survivor of being a Nazi. For older Cuban-Ams, many of whom lost family and close friends in Castro's camps and dungeons, this was revolting.
My ultra-conservative mother, who detests Hillary, is a #NeverTrumper because of this. (She lost both a father and a brother and many relatives/friends.)
I have tried to tell her that Trump spoke out of ignorance and didn't understand the implications of calling Cruz Sr. a Commie.
Whatever. I think --- hope --- that Cruz's endorsement, which might be taken as something like forgiveness, will have an impact on people like her.
You must understand that accusing Papa Cruz of being a Commie accomplice of Oswald is rather like accusing a Holocaust survivor of being a Nazi. For older Cuban-Ams, many of whom lost family and close friends in Castro's camps and dungeons, this was revolting.
My ultra-conservative mother, who detests Hillary, is a #NeverTrumper because of this. (She lost both a father and a brother and many relatives/friends.)
I have tried to tell her that Trump spoke out of ignorance and didn't understand the implications of calling Cruz Sr. a Commie.
Whatever. I think --- hope --- that Cruz's endorsement, which might be taken as something like forgiveness, will have an impact on people like her.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (Nox3c)
478
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
If he nominates Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State
What will it take for Trump supporters to say "I've made a huge mistake?"
If he nominates Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:09 PM (lKyWE)
479
Why would Trump push single payer?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:07 PM (lKyWE)
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Don't worry, he's lying to the other guys.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:07 PM (lKyWE)
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Don't worry, he's lying to the other guys.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:09 PM (mFkVC)
480
Posted by: bluebell at September 23, 2016 07:03 PM (xpSCc)
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Thanks again for the recommendation. Also have Waiting for Guffman but haven't watched it yet.
I did see part of IAMMMMW not long ago. It was the part where they were shaking Ethel Merman upside down to get the car keys. God I love that movie!
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Thanks again for the recommendation. Also have Waiting for Guffman but haven't watched it yet.
I did see part of IAMMMMW not long ago. It was the part where they were shaking Ethel Merman upside down to get the car keys. God I love that movie!
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 07:09 PM (Sfs6o)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (Nox3c)
Good point, I hadn't thought of that.
Good point, I hadn't thought of that.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 07:10 PM (3myMJ)
482
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:09 PM (mFkVC)
That doesn't answer my question
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:09 PM (mFkVC)
That doesn't answer my question
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:11 PM (lKyWE)
483
You must understand that accusing Papa Cruz of being a Commie accomplice of Oswald is rather like accusing a Holocaust survivor of being a Nazi. For older Cuban-Ams, many of whom lost family and close friends in Castro's camps and dungeons, this was revolting.
I don't -- what? He didn't say Cruz' dad was a friend of Castro. What the hell does that have to do with Cuba?
I don't -- what? He didn't say Cruz' dad was a friend of Castro. What the hell does that have to do with Cuba?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2016 07:11 PM (39g3+)
484
Posted by: person(a non grata)
That doesn't answer my question
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic
I hate to be the bearer of bad news...
That doesn't answer my question
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic
I hate to be the bearer of bad news...
Posted by: Joe 'he gonna put u in chainz' Biden at September 23, 2016 07:13 PM (V3IFq)
485
Some of these NeverTrumpers are clearly autistic or on the spectrum.
And I suspect, while many are highly intelligent, they are probably too young to even vote in some cases.
And I suspect, while many are highly intelligent, they are probably too young to even vote in some cases.
Posted by: Max Power at September 23, 2016 07:13 PM (q177U)
486
It's not about blaming people. It's about the fact that I don't think a lot of "Conservatives" are going to be willing to oppose Trump very vigorously. They'll spin, they'll excuse, they'll redefine "Conservatism" to mean "whatever Trump says" - we're already seeing a lot of that.
This country means a great deal to me. It needs a Conservative party. At the moment, the GOPe is spineless and largely nominally Conservative with a few members who actually push Constitutional principles. I think the party under Trump would be even worse (yes, that's possible) and Conservatism would be entirely voiceless, cast into the wilderness. And that isn't good for the country.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (mFkVC)
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We can't have that. Someone has to make sure those bastards don't redefine what it means to be a conservative. Just to make sure they don't try to slip one by us, we should define what it means to be a conservative up front. Like right now. You go first.
This country means a great deal to me. It needs a Conservative party. At the moment, the GOPe is spineless and largely nominally Conservative with a few members who actually push Constitutional principles. I think the party under Trump would be even worse (yes, that's possible) and Conservatism would be entirely voiceless, cast into the wilderness. And that isn't good for the country.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 06:58 PM (mFkVC)
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We can't have that. Someone has to make sure those bastards don't redefine what it means to be a conservative. Just to make sure they don't try to slip one by us, we should define what it means to be a conservative up front. Like right now. You go first.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 07:13 PM (R+30W)
487
It's not about blaming people.
Yes, when you want people to speculate when they would say that they've made a mistake, you're not looking to blame them.
Also, you're not a troll.
Yes, when you want people to speculate when they would say that they've made a mistake, you're not looking to blame them.
Also, you're not a troll.
Posted by: commenter from the Bizarro universe at September 23, 2016 07:14 PM (q6IZK)
488
That doesn't answer my question
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:11 PM (lKyWE)
Look, he's said its government's responsibility to take care of healthcare numerous times. He's talked warmly of single-payer. This week, he advocated dramatically expanding medicaid.
He's also said things that sound like more conventional Conservative attitudes towards healthcare.
In my opinion, he speaks favorably of government healthcare when he is speaking off the teleprompter, when he is going with his gut. You may disagree. It is disingenuous, however, to say that he hasn't raised significant doubts about where he stands on single-payer.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:11 PM (lKyWE)
Look, he's said its government's responsibility to take care of healthcare numerous times. He's talked warmly of single-payer. This week, he advocated dramatically expanding medicaid.
He's also said things that sound like more conventional Conservative attitudes towards healthcare.
In my opinion, he speaks favorably of government healthcare when he is speaking off the teleprompter, when he is going with his gut. You may disagree. It is disingenuous, however, to say that he hasn't raised significant doubts about where he stands on single-payer.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:14 PM (mFkVC)
489
To be clear, the only people I "rag on" are the people who voted for him in the primary. Voting for him to stop Clinton, I get that.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (mFkVC)
Now you are stealing Chemjeff's style, good grief.
I'm off to do something more productive, which will be so easy.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (mFkVC)
Now you are stealing Chemjeff's style, good grief.
I'm off to do something more productive, which will be so easy.
Posted by: Meremortal... at September 23, 2016 07:16 PM (3myMJ)
490
>>>You must understand that accusing Papa Cruz of being a Commie accomplice of Oswald is rather like accusing a Holocaust survivor of being a Nazi. For older Cuban-Ams, many of whom lost family and close friends in Castro's camps and dungeons, this was revolting.
um, Cruz's dad was a political prisoner of BATISTA's, not Castro's.
um, Cruz's dad was a political prisoner of BATISTA's, not Castro's.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 07:16 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (Nox3c)
I understand that from the Cuban side, for sure.
I understand that from the Cuban side, for sure.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 23, 2016 07:16 PM (GcpvU)
492
483--- Oswald was a Communist. He was pro-Castro AFTER it was known that Castro was a Marxist-Leninist.
Most Americans wouldn't make that connection but all Cuban Americans of a a certain age would.
Most Americans wouldn't make that connection but all Cuban Americans of a a certain age would.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 23, 2016 07:16 PM (Nox3c)
493
To be clear, the only people I "rag on" are the people who voted for him in the primary. Voting for him to stop Clinton, I get that.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (mFkVC)
I am with you. I have list a mile long on Trumps deficiencies and why Cruz would be the best cadidate. But that ship has sailed. Maybe you should be posting comments on the stuff Ace or DrewM posted back during the primaries.
We will check back on them when you let us know that you are done.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:08 PM (mFkVC)
I am with you. I have list a mile long on Trumps deficiencies and why Cruz would be the best cadidate. But that ship has sailed. Maybe you should be posting comments on the stuff Ace or DrewM posted back during the primaries.
We will check back on them when you let us know that you are done.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 23, 2016 07:17 PM (f/tWz)
494
Person's typical argument is that once Trump is elected he won't do the things he says he'll do, and do things he said he wouldn't do, BECAUSE. Trump is really a Democrat just like Hillary, don't you see, BECAUSE.
This is a kind of logical fallacy that can only be disproven if Trump does in fact get elected.
You could make the same argument about any candidate, Ted Cruz included.
This is a kind of logical fallacy that can only be disproven if Trump does in fact get elected.
You could make the same argument about any candidate, Ted Cruz included.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 07:17 PM (r1fLd)
495
The comments about snapping rubber bands at Hillary during the debate are hilarious.
It reminds me of a High Anxiety scene with Harvey Norman.
http://tinyurl.com/hdfsybm
It reminds me of a High Anxiety scene with Harvey Norman.
http://tinyurl.com/hdfsybm
Posted by: mpfs, DeplorableFishstick at September 23, 2016 07:18 PM (4RLEy)
496
Korman damnit.
Posted by: mpfs, DeplorableFishstick at September 23, 2016 07:19 PM (4RLEy)
497
We can't have that. Someone has to make sure those bastards don't redefine what it means to be a conservative. Just to make sure they don't try to slip one by us, we should define what it means to be a conservative up front. Like right now. You go first.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 07:13 PM (R+30W)
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Modern Conservatism is basically classical Liberalism, the thinking enshrined in the Constitution. It's the celebration of individual, God-given rights. It's the elevation of law over men.
It's the knowledge that man is fatally flawed, and no one individual or faction must have a preponderance of power. Thus, it is a fear of overweening government.
It's an aversion to dramatic, emotionally-driven changes.
It's a lot more than that, but I've always felt that to be the core.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 07:13 PM (R+30W)
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Modern Conservatism is basically classical Liberalism, the thinking enshrined in the Constitution. It's the celebration of individual, God-given rights. It's the elevation of law over men.
It's the knowledge that man is fatally flawed, and no one individual or faction must have a preponderance of power. Thus, it is a fear of overweening government.
It's an aversion to dramatic, emotionally-driven changes.
It's a lot more than that, but I've always felt that to be the core.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:19 PM (mFkVC)
498
I'd love to see Trump put on a pair of the crazy hypnotic gag eyeglasses during the debate.
Posted by: Weasel at September 23, 2016 07:20 PM (Sfs6o)
499
494 Person's typical argument is that once Trump is elected he won't do the things he says he'll do, and do things he said he wouldn't do, BECAUSE. Trump is really a Democrat just like Hillary, don't you see, BECAUSE.
This is a kind of logical fallacy that can only be disproven if Trump does in fact get elected.
You could make the same argument about any candidate, Ted Cruz included.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 07:17 PM (r1fLd)
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No, my argument is that Trump will do the things that he says he'll do and the things that his natural, authoritarian tendencies incline him to do. What I don't do is create a fantasy-Trump who will fulfill all my wishes.
This is a kind of logical fallacy that can only be disproven if Trump does in fact get elected.
You could make the same argument about any candidate, Ted Cruz included.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 07:17 PM (r1fLd)
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No, my argument is that Trump will do the things that he says he'll do and the things that his natural, authoritarian tendencies incline him to do. What I don't do is create a fantasy-Trump who will fulfill all my wishes.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:21 PM (mFkVC)
500
Weasel
That would be epic!
That would be epic!
Posted by: mpfs, DeplorableFishstick at September 23, 2016 07:22 PM (4RLEy)
501
Modern Conservatism is basically classical Liberalism, the thinking enshrined in the Constitution. It's the celebration of individual, God-given rights. It's the elevation of law over men.
It's the knowledge that man is fatally flawed, and no one individual or faction must have a preponderance of power. Thus, it is a fear of overweening government.
It's an aversion to dramatic, emotionally-driven changes.
It's a lot more than that, but I've always felt that to be the core.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:19 PM (mFkVC)
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I'm on board for all that. But, some people seem to have snuck some extra stuff in. Like unlimited immigration, so-called free trade, etc.
It's the knowledge that man is fatally flawed, and no one individual or faction must have a preponderance of power. Thus, it is a fear of overweening government.
It's an aversion to dramatic, emotionally-driven changes.
It's a lot more than that, but I've always felt that to be the core.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:19 PM (mFkVC)
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I'm on board for all that. But, some people seem to have snuck some extra stuff in. Like unlimited immigration, so-called free trade, etc.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2016 07:23 PM (R+30W)
502
In my opinion, he speaks favorably of government healthcare when he is speaking off the teleprompter, when he is going with his gut. You may disagree. It is disingenuous, however, to say that he hasn't raised significant doubts about where he stands on single-payer.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:14 PM (mFkVC)
So you're basing it all on your amazing talentto read and interpret peoples gut feelings
In my opinion, he speaks favorably of government healthcare when he is speaking off the teleprompter, when he is going with his gut. You may disagree. It is disingenuous, however, to say that he hasn't raised significant doubts about where he stands on single-payer.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:14 PM (mFkVC)
So you're basing it all on your amazing talentto read and interpret peoples gut feelings
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:23 PM (lKyWE)
503
490
um, Cruz's dad was a political prisoner of BATISTA's, not Castro's.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 07:16 PM (dciA+)
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And later he had family members who were imprisoned and tortured by Castro.
Like many, many Cubans Cruz Sr. supported the overthrow of Batista but then opposed Castro strongly when he set up a Communist state.
Needless to say, the people that Castro went after the most eagerly were precisely the ones who fought for democracy during the Batista regime --- the classic revolution that eats its own. The hatred these Cubans have for Castro and Communism is fearsome.
um, Cruz's dad was a political prisoner of BATISTA's, not Castro's.
Posted by: ace at September 23, 2016 07:16 PM (dciA+)
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And later he had family members who were imprisoned and tortured by Castro.
Like many, many Cubans Cruz Sr. supported the overthrow of Batista but then opposed Castro strongly when he set up a Communist state.
Needless to say, the people that Castro went after the most eagerly were precisely the ones who fought for democracy during the Batista regime --- the classic revolution that eats its own. The hatred these Cubans have for Castro and Communism is fearsome.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 23, 2016 07:24 PM (Nox3c)
504
So you're basing it all on your amazing talentto read and interpret peoples gut feelings
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:23 PM (lKyWE)
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Nah, I'm basing it on my ability to listen to people, understand what they say, and form opinions. It's fun!
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:23 PM (lKyWE)
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Nah, I'm basing it on my ability to listen to people, understand what they say, and form opinions. It's fun!
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:24 PM (mFkVC)
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"Modern Conservatism is basically classical Liberalism, the thinking enshrined in the Constitution. It's the celebration of individual, God-given rights. It's the elevation of law over men."
Sounds nice. But it's become a fetish and not a basis for a viable political movement in the current environment.
Yes, appoint "Constitutional Conservatives" as judges. Trump has given a list.
Beyond that, what?
e.g., The Government shouldn't have gotten into healthcare the way it did, but it did. Now what?
You want to blow up a few federal agencies, fine. But you need to be in power to make a start.
There's an interesting recent article in The New Yorker about what to expect in the first 100 days of a Trump Administration. In addition to a wholesale dismantling of Obama's legacy, there are attributed quotes about how New Gingrich is coaching Trump about going after the federal civil service with hammer and tong. The New Yorker intended to scare its readers. I got a schandenboner.
Sounds nice. But it's become a fetish and not a basis for a viable political movement in the current environment.
Yes, appoint "Constitutional Conservatives" as judges. Trump has given a list.
Beyond that, what?
e.g., The Government shouldn't have gotten into healthcare the way it did, but it did. Now what?
You want to blow up a few federal agencies, fine. But you need to be in power to make a start.
There's an interesting recent article in The New Yorker about what to expect in the first 100 days of a Trump Administration. In addition to a wholesale dismantling of Obama's legacy, there are attributed quotes about how New Gingrich is coaching Trump about going after the federal civil service with hammer and tong. The New Yorker intended to scare its readers. I got a schandenboner.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 07:26 PM (r1fLd)
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No, my argument is that Trump will do the things that he says he'll do and the things that his natural, authoritarian tendencies incline him to do. What I don't do is create a fantasy-Trump who will fulfill all my wishes.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:21 PM (mFkVC)
Why don't you list for us ten of his authoritarian tendencies you have observed
No, my argument is that Trump will do the things that he says he'll do and the things that his natural, authoritarian tendencies incline him to do. What I don't do is create a fantasy-Trump who will fulfill all my wishes.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 23, 2016 07:21 PM (mFkVC)
Why don't you list for us ten of his authoritarian tendencies you have observed
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:27 PM (lKyWE)
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"What I don't do is create a fantasy-Trump who will fulfill all my wishes."
There's a lot that Trump can do without the co-operation of Congress. Obama has shown that.
But he may find that McConnell and Ryan are obstacles, especially over budget reform and SCOTUS nominees.
Obama has packed the lower and intermediate courts with no GOP resistance. This could frustrate Trump as well.
I'm more worried about these things than Trump giving full rein to his "authoritarian impulses."
There's a lot that Trump can do without the co-operation of Congress. Obama has shown that.
But he may find that McConnell and Ryan are obstacles, especially over budget reform and SCOTUS nominees.
Obama has packed the lower and intermediate courts with no GOP resistance. This could frustrate Trump as well.
I'm more worried about these things than Trump giving full rein to his "authoritarian impulses."
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2016 07:31 PM (r1fLd)
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Either you thought Trump was an existential threat to the Republic or you didn't.
Either you thought Trump could be trusted with nuclear weapons or you didn't.
If you didnt, the answer was obvious from the beginning: Support Trump.
Where I have lost a lot of respect for a whole lot of people (and, fortunately, from some expected no differently) are those who made it clear they thought those things and turned around and endorsed him.
If you honestly thought those things, then, yeah, as big of a corrupt harpy as Hillary is and as liberal as she is (and she might turn the Supreme Court liberal for a generation), you should still have difficulty supporting a guy you thought was an existential threat to the Republic who might start a nuclear war.
At the heart of the divide and animosity between Trump supporters and NeverTrumpers is the failure to actually hash this out--to just announce that you're supporting him and not get into the nitty gritty of whether they still think he's a threat to the Republic who might start a nuclear war.
Now, if you never thought these things, all that is meaningless. More power to you.
Cruz made it clear at one point he thought these things. He's now endorsed Trump. Fortunately, even when I defended the guy, I believed everything his critics said about him.
I expected no better of him.
Either you thought Trump could be trusted with nuclear weapons or you didn't.
If you didnt, the answer was obvious from the beginning: Support Trump.
Where I have lost a lot of respect for a whole lot of people (and, fortunately, from some expected no differently) are those who made it clear they thought those things and turned around and endorsed him.
If you honestly thought those things, then, yeah, as big of a corrupt harpy as Hillary is and as liberal as she is (and she might turn the Supreme Court liberal for a generation), you should still have difficulty supporting a guy you thought was an existential threat to the Republic who might start a nuclear war.
At the heart of the divide and animosity between Trump supporters and NeverTrumpers is the failure to actually hash this out--to just announce that you're supporting him and not get into the nitty gritty of whether they still think he's a threat to the Republic who might start a nuclear war.
Now, if you never thought these things, all that is meaningless. More power to you.
Cruz made it clear at one point he thought these things. He's now endorsed Trump. Fortunately, even when I defended the guy, I believed everything his critics said about him.
I expected no better of him.
Posted by: AD at September 23, 2016 07:31 PM (uSJmq)
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I stand with Christopher Taylor in his comment @410. Unlike the Coughing Crone with Hairy Lip Mole, I can stand unassisted and don't bobble-head next to Christopher.
I hope Hilz The Haggard Harridan has a coughing fit and falls off her special podium at the debate. I hope there is a constant replay in her wee atrophied brain of "throat tickle" playing over and over like an air horn and keeping her from sleep.
I hope she feels every eye looking at her for her wonky eyes, her coughing, her bobbles and nods. I hope the Haiti voodoo is strong this night, for the billions she made off their backs.
She deserves every single thing thrown at her due to her evil life of lying. I have not a pity, a shred of human sympathy, to the Beast of Benghazi, who would do anything to cross that finish line on November 8th.
Oh, no, my flying monkeys....I want her alive for the day she is defeated from her life's goal, after her human sacrifices on the Arkanicide list, the 12 yr old rape victim Christopher mentions, the women she lied about when Bill was a-dickin.' The Clinton Cash and pay to play as she sold our country out to our enemies.
I'll give you a reset button, Hilz, right to the old loony bin where you belong, you screeching harpy. (I say, old friends, does not the latest video of her shrill voice yelling at the Internet sort of explain why Bill strayed? How would you like that screeching banshee day in and day out?). I digress, but that was certainly a sign of her going around the bend for another lap.
I am not sure if special stepped podium (who is going to help her up and down? Will there be rails? Will platform, to increase her height, rise up out of the floor?). Is it retro fitted with robotic leg braces, an invisible stool, a defibrillator, and vaporized levadopa and diazepam, specialized ear-bud technology, as well as a vacuum apparatus to flush out the Depends as no bathroom breaks? Or does she have an IV port hidden among the tunic, titrating her meds by someone off stage monitoring her?
This is way more interesting than wondering if someone has crib notes or ear buds (and you know she will have an ear bud or maybe wear her cross-eye glasses for help via Google). This old sick mare has to stand and talk for 90 minutes, while hoping her eyes don't go wonky and coughing spell knocks her off podium (which the campaign may find is a bad idea after she falls off into Mr. Trump's arms like Jane falling from a tree into Tarzan's).
Her stress must be in the stratosphere for Monday. Hopefully Bill will stay in his safe room at their compound, as throwing stuff is probably going on along with tantrums of epic proportions with her writing in feces on the walls.
I mean, it is a clear choice, Morons. Vote drunk if you have to, but vote against this evil woman and her cabal of corruption with too many crimes to list.
I hope Hilz The Haggard Harridan has a coughing fit and falls off her special podium at the debate. I hope there is a constant replay in her wee atrophied brain of "throat tickle" playing over and over like an air horn and keeping her from sleep.
I hope she feels every eye looking at her for her wonky eyes, her coughing, her bobbles and nods. I hope the Haiti voodoo is strong this night, for the billions she made off their backs.
She deserves every single thing thrown at her due to her evil life of lying. I have not a pity, a shred of human sympathy, to the Beast of Benghazi, who would do anything to cross that finish line on November 8th.
Oh, no, my flying monkeys....I want her alive for the day she is defeated from her life's goal, after her human sacrifices on the Arkanicide list, the 12 yr old rape victim Christopher mentions, the women she lied about when Bill was a-dickin.' The Clinton Cash and pay to play as she sold our country out to our enemies.
I'll give you a reset button, Hilz, right to the old loony bin where you belong, you screeching harpy. (I say, old friends, does not the latest video of her shrill voice yelling at the Internet sort of explain why Bill strayed? How would you like that screeching banshee day in and day out?). I digress, but that was certainly a sign of her going around the bend for another lap.
I am not sure if special stepped podium (who is going to help her up and down? Will there be rails? Will platform, to increase her height, rise up out of the floor?). Is it retro fitted with robotic leg braces, an invisible stool, a defibrillator, and vaporized levadopa and diazepam, specialized ear-bud technology, as well as a vacuum apparatus to flush out the Depends as no bathroom breaks? Or does she have an IV port hidden among the tunic, titrating her meds by someone off stage monitoring her?
This is way more interesting than wondering if someone has crib notes or ear buds (and you know she will have an ear bud or maybe wear her cross-eye glasses for help via Google). This old sick mare has to stand and talk for 90 minutes, while hoping her eyes don't go wonky and coughing spell knocks her off podium (which the campaign may find is a bad idea after she falls off into Mr. Trump's arms like Jane falling from a tree into Tarzan's).
Her stress must be in the stratosphere for Monday. Hopefully Bill will stay in his safe room at their compound, as throwing stuff is probably going on along with tantrums of epic proportions with her writing in feces on the walls.
I mean, it is a clear choice, Morons. Vote drunk if you have to, but vote against this evil woman and her cabal of corruption with too many crimes to list.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at September 23, 2016 07:32 PM (Cx8BK)
510
I think Trump will very likely be Democrat-Lite when gets in; I have no hopes for any kind of Conservative Supreme appointment or anything.
But he's a), Not Hillary, b) going to make all the right heads explode, on every level, if he wins, and c) politically incorrect and hasn't knuckled under yet.
Plus his kids really do seem like normal people.
But he's a), Not Hillary, b) going to make all the right heads explode, on every level, if he wins, and c) politically incorrect and hasn't knuckled under yet.
Plus his kids really do seem like normal people.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 23, 2016 07:36 PM (GcpvU)
511
Does this end our own Civil War reenactment?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Posted by: fort sumter hq at September 23, 2016 07:39 PM (LdMbv)
512
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at September 23, 2016 07:32 PM (Cx8BK)
Amen, Christy!
Amen, Christy!
Posted by: Donna&&&&V.deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 23, 2016 07:43 PM (P8951)
513
11 All the points he made were great, and a no brainer if you put things in a bigger context and look past yourself and own ego.
If this was American Idol, I could understand voting against Trump.
All I hear for NeverTrump is meaningless slogans like "Trump is a Democrat too!" with no explanation from them what it would mean to give the nation over to Hillary instead.
You really have to ask yourself how much that "I told you so" moment is really worth over the next 4 years.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (fgAYu)
Clear, concise, logical endorsement. And Kasich goes to the White House to sign on to Obama's effort to force the shit sandwich TPP through during the lame duck session. I didn't know Kasich was the biggest asshole among the candidates, but it's pretty obvious now.
If this was American Idol, I could understand voting against Trump.
All I hear for NeverTrump is meaningless slogans like "Trump is a Democrat too!" with no explanation from them what it would mean to give the nation over to Hillary instead.
You really have to ask yourself how much that "I told you so" moment is really worth over the next 4 years.
Posted by: Maritime at September 23, 2016 05:47 PM (fgAYu)
Clear, concise, logical endorsement. And Kasich goes to the White House to sign on to Obama's effort to force the shit sandwich TPP through during the lame duck session. I didn't know Kasich was the biggest asshole among the candidates, but it's pretty obvious now.
Posted by: Bernette at September 23, 2016 07:45 PM (JSys4)
514
I call Hillary the Butcher of Aleppo, otherwise love the rant, Christy.
Posted by: Bernette at September 23, 2016 07:49 PM (JSys4)
515
"Why don't you list for us ten of his authoritarian tendencies you have observed
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:27 PM (lKyWE)"
He praised the North Korean dictator. He praised the Tienanmen Square massacre. When Trump reneged on his pledge he warned of riots if he's not nominated. His convention speech was exclusively more powers and programs for a Trump government. Trump has repeatedly called for laws that would make it more difficult to criticize Trump.
Trump fans roll their eyes at the truth here because they think Hillary is somehow worse. But Trump is one of Hillary's best supporters, so I never got that one. If Hillary is so bad, Trump gets credit for supporting someone who is so bad.
There is no good option, but picking the lesser of two evils every year is why this country is being ruined, and we need to stop. If that means Trump loses, this probably means fewer human rights abuses anyway.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 23, 2016 07:27 PM (lKyWE)"
He praised the North Korean dictator. He praised the Tienanmen Square massacre. When Trump reneged on his pledge he warned of riots if he's not nominated. His convention speech was exclusively more powers and programs for a Trump government. Trump has repeatedly called for laws that would make it more difficult to criticize Trump.
Trump fans roll their eyes at the truth here because they think Hillary is somehow worse. But Trump is one of Hillary's best supporters, so I never got that one. If Hillary is so bad, Trump gets credit for supporting someone who is so bad.
There is no good option, but picking the lesser of two evils every year is why this country is being ruined, and we need to stop. If that means Trump loses, this probably means fewer human rights abuses anyway.
Posted by: Dustin at September 23, 2016 07:50 PM (orEnP)
516
All the women supporting Trump in the audience need to wear tons and tons of gaudy necklaces, earrings and other jewelry.
Rhinestones, diamonds if they have 'em.
Every kind of highly reflective, sparkly, multi-faceted bling and sparkle that they can wear.
Sequined blouses, spangly brooches.
All The Sparkly Things.
Even though the audience is largely out of view from the stage, due to lighting, there still is light in the seats...and with enough bling in the crowd, it'd be like strobes going off in the eyes of the candidates.
And you know what that means.
*evil grin, rubs hands, laughs evil laugh*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Rhinestones, diamonds if they have 'em.
Every kind of highly reflective, sparkly, multi-faceted bling and sparkle that they can wear.
Sequined blouses, spangly brooches.
All The Sparkly Things.
Even though the audience is largely out of view from the stage, due to lighting, there still is light in the seats...and with enough bling in the crowd, it'd be like strobes going off in the eyes of the candidates.
And you know what that means.
*evil grin, rubs hands, laughs evil laugh*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 23, 2016 07:52 PM (v5iqM)
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I don't know what Trump would do if he were POTUS.
I do know for certain what Hillary would do.
One door is marked POISON.
One door is marked PROBABLY-NOT-GOOD-BUT-WHO-KNOWS.
Easy choice for me.
I do know for certain what Hillary would do.
One door is marked POISON.
One door is marked PROBABLY-NOT-GOOD-BUT-WHO-KNOWS.
Easy choice for me.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 23, 2016 07:56 PM (Nox3c)
Posted by: #nevertrump at September 23, 2016 07:58 PM (zu88C)
519
Alright! The one-names have shown up!
Posted by: andycanuck at September 23, 2016 08:03 PM (LdMbv)
520
What I don't get about the NeverTrumpers is: jeez, you really think true conservativism has a chance to come back after 4 or 8 years of Hill?
Look around you RIGHT NOW. Instapundit is in trouble right now with his employer because of a tweet he apologized for (and he shouldn't have). That apology got him nothing. They've kicked Milo and Vox Day and Scott Adams off of Twitter. A sportswriter wants that Mariner who tweeted out comments critical of BLM to lose his job. Kimmel is being hounded just for treating Trump like a human being.
You're afraid of authoritarianism? What do you call what is going on right now? Do you think that's just an election time ploy and will stop if Hill's elected? I am really, really afraid of the attacks on the 1st Amendment right now and the fact the Left is trying to force us to all think in lockstep, with real life consequences for those who dare question them.
The msm and their tech allies are at our throats like a rabid wolf and you'll telling us to just play dead and do nothing and at some point help will come - help you like, not the vulgarian with the orange hair but gentlemanly, principled help. Except by that time, we'll have been torn apart by the entire wolf pack.
Look around you RIGHT NOW. Instapundit is in trouble right now with his employer because of a tweet he apologized for (and he shouldn't have). That apology got him nothing. They've kicked Milo and Vox Day and Scott Adams off of Twitter. A sportswriter wants that Mariner who tweeted out comments critical of BLM to lose his job. Kimmel is being hounded just for treating Trump like a human being.
You're afraid of authoritarianism? What do you call what is going on right now? Do you think that's just an election time ploy and will stop if Hill's elected? I am really, really afraid of the attacks on the 1st Amendment right now and the fact the Left is trying to force us to all think in lockstep, with real life consequences for those who dare question them.
The msm and their tech allies are at our throats like a rabid wolf and you'll telling us to just play dead and do nothing and at some point help will come - help you like, not the vulgarian with the orange hair but gentlemanly, principled help. Except by that time, we'll have been torn apart by the entire wolf pack.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V.deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 23, 2016 08:05 PM (P8951)
521
I totally get neverhillary. But personally, an electorate too stupid to spit her violently from its mouth deserves the full measure of having it shoved down their throat. So I hope she wins.
Choke on it you stupid imbeciles.
(Yes, I will cast a ballot for Trump)
Choke on it you stupid imbeciles.
(Yes, I will cast a ballot for Trump)
Posted by: Sam in VA at September 23, 2016 08:05 PM (9stgl)
522
BAM!
Posted by: giftogab at September 23, 2016 08:06 PM (ysKvq)
523
Posted by: Bernette at September 23, 2016 07:49 PM (JSys4)
My favorite Bernie supporter is here!
My favorite Bernie supporter is here!
Posted by: Donna&&&&V.deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 23, 2016 08:08 PM (P8951)
524
'But personally, an electorate too stupid to spit her violently from its mouth deserves the full measure of having it shoved down their throat."
Yes, but we'll suffer too. And we'll suffer worse.
Yes, but we'll suffer too. And we'll suffer worse.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V.deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&so there at September 23, 2016 08:09 PM (P8951)
525
Trump losing means fewer human rights abuses? It's customary to add the /s tag after comments such as those.
Posted by: Afroman at September 23, 2016 08:10 PM (kdxpy)
526
Ace et al, net/net what the nevertrumpers don't get that your only choice is Clinton SI or NO ? If it's SI, then we should just annex Mexico, Syria and the Middle East.
The only NO vote that works is a YES vote on Trump.
No fan of Trump but I don't want our country to commit suicide either.
The only NO vote that works is a YES vote on Trump.
No fan of Trump but I don't want our country to commit suicide either.
Posted by: standfast24 at September 23, 2016 08:11 PM (PNFIr)
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Re: 515. So, we need to pick the worst of two evils? And if Hillary wins there will "probably [be] fewer human rights abuses anyway"???
Well, thanks for checking in from the insane asylum! Back to bed before the screws catch you online.
Well, thanks for checking in from the insane asylum! Back to bed before the screws catch you online.
Posted by: eastofsuez at September 23, 2016 08:41 PM (oKO0e)
528
There is nothing illogical or fanatical in my refusal to vote for a lying, morally degenerate liberal con man temporarily flying a false flag of conservative Republicanism. And I think a lot less of Cruz for capitulating.
I have nothing but contempt for those who insist that others put their qualms aside and join then in voting for for what they know to be a steaming lump of dog turds with a record of betraying any and all promises when keeping them is no longer in his short tern interests. At last I will be in a better position to shout NO when Trump once again betrays those who believed what he said.
I have nothing but contempt for those who insist that others put their qualms aside and join then in voting for for what they know to be a steaming lump of dog turds with a record of betraying any and all promises when keeping them is no longer in his short tern interests. At last I will be in a better position to shout NO when Trump once again betrays those who believed what he said.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at September 23, 2016 08:44 PM (n3Jsb)
529
Disappointed in Ted. Strongly doubt this will move the needle amongst holdouts, except to give us a much more jaded eye towards him in 2020... Unless we're to believe that Trump voters will suddenly embrace him over a Trump toady like the Huckster.
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 23, 2016 08:57 PM (zWTYO)
530
Re: 528. Actually, "illogical or fanatical" is a good description of Nevertrumpers like you. DJT is not a political messiah, but he ain't Hillary, so it ain't much of a choice. Trump or the camps, 2016!
Posted by: eastofsuez at September 23, 2016 09:02 PM (oKO0e)
531
If you're Ted Cruz, you really believe endorsing will help defeat Hillary? It's silly. He's smarter than that. That's why people question the motive. Find me a (real) Cruz voter who was STILL holding out, that this announcement will suddenly win over for Trump, and I'll eat my shoe.
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 23, 2016 09:03 PM (zWTYO)
532
DJT is not a political messiah, but he ain't Hillary, so it ain't much of a choice.
Every single Trump vs. NeverTrump argument / conversation / offhand remark has been this on the one hand and people saying "Trump sucks" on the other. Everybody knows this. Everyone has always known this. It is an insult to anybody who actually follows politics to mention it.
Unless anybody is actually going to get into the meat of this...
Is Trump better than Hillary?
Does the laughing-at-getting-a-guy-off-for-rape-of-a-minor disaster that is Hillary Clinton outweigh Trump's risk?
...all of this is pointless. All of it. Always has been. Always will be.
Every single Trump vs. NeverTrump argument / conversation / offhand remark has been this on the one hand and people saying "Trump sucks" on the other. Everybody knows this. Everyone has always known this. It is an insult to anybody who actually follows politics to mention it.
Unless anybody is actually going to get into the meat of this...
Is Trump better than Hillary?
Does the laughing-at-getting-a-guy-off-for-rape-of-a-minor disaster that is Hillary Clinton outweigh Trump's risk?
...all of this is pointless. All of it. Always has been. Always will be.
Posted by: AD at September 23, 2016 09:43 PM (924j6)
533
I'm pretty sure I said #nevertrump during the primary. I know I meant it in the context of the primary. However, living in a swing state I really have no choice if I value my freedom but to vote for Trump. Any other vote I place is wasted. (note: a vote for a candidate is a vote for a candidate not someone else...unless its election fraud. which we can expect a lot of)
Posted by: kzintius at September 23, 2016 09:44 PM (Tf8s7)
534
Good for Ted.
Franklin named the stakes: "A republic, Madame--if you can keep it." And perhaps the consequences: "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Franklin named the stakes: "A republic, Madame--if you can keep it." And perhaps the consequences: "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Posted by: Pantsuit Pythagoras at September 23, 2016 09:51 PM (Ndje9)
535
Okay, still not voting for the strip club guy. Also not voting for the other criminal.
So very tired of the rhetoric from both sides. Trump will end the country!!! Clinton will end the country!!!
If the republic is so weak that one politician can destroy it then it is probably time to push the mess over the cliff anyway.
So very tired of the rhetoric from both sides. Trump will end the country!!! Clinton will end the country!!!
If the republic is so weak that one politician can destroy it then it is probably time to push the mess over the cliff anyway.
Posted by: Silent Moron at September 23, 2016 09:53 PM (SqwU2)
536
I don't understand the hate for Cruz now. His endorsement was hardly a ringing endorsement, just an "I'm voting for Trump and urge you to do the same." And I got to the same place a few weeks ago.
Trump is awful. He's unprincipled and it's highly unlikely he'll keep his promises. But at least he's saying the right things and has an American-centric view, as opposed to Obama's and Hillary's world-centric view.
And even bigger for me is the behavior of the media. The way they have covered for Hillary and openly campaigned for her is just not something that the country can survive. The media must be smashed, and Trump is the only hammer we have.
I live in a very blue state, so my vote really does not matter, but at this point refusing to vote for Trump because of principles just feels like moral preening.
Trump is awful. He's unprincipled and it's highly unlikely he'll keep his promises. But at least he's saying the right things and has an American-centric view, as opposed to Obama's and Hillary's world-centric view.
And even bigger for me is the behavior of the media. The way they have covered for Hillary and openly campaigned for her is just not something that the country can survive. The media must be smashed, and Trump is the only hammer we have.
I live in a very blue state, so my vote really does not matter, but at this point refusing to vote for Trump because of principles just feels like moral preening.
Posted by: biancaneve at September 23, 2016 10:01 PM (IKOfL)
537
It's
sad. I can't see any upside whatsoever for the Cruz endorsement. It will
have zero effect on those of us who won't be voting for Trump. And then .
. . he has lost a huge amount of credibility from his conservative
base. And finally -- to drop your
trousers and bend over for the likes of Boehner, McConnell, Ryan . . .
wow . . . to abase yourself for *the Republican Party*. That would be
like Ace dropping his trousers and bending over for Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow. I can't feature the degradation of violating
one's integrity . . . ****for the likes of the Republican Party****. I
mean -- I could see violating one's integrity for one's wife, or
children, or dear loved ones. But boy . . . talk about a plummet into
filth for Cruz . . . and to now be a part of the Dumpster Fire no matter
what -- whew!
sad. I can't see any upside whatsoever for the Cruz endorsement. It will
have zero effect on those of us who won't be voting for Trump. And then .
. . he has lost a huge amount of credibility from his conservative
base. And finally -- to drop your
trousers and bend over for the likes of Boehner, McConnell, Ryan . . .
wow . . . to abase yourself for *the Republican Party*. That would be
like Ace dropping his trousers and bending over for Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow. I can't feature the degradation of violating
one's integrity . . . ****for the likes of the Republican Party****. I
mean -- I could see violating one's integrity for one's wife, or
children, or dear loved ones. But boy . . . talk about a plummet into
filth for Cruz . . . and to now be a part of the Dumpster Fire no matter
what -- whew!
Posted by: Igor at September 23, 2016 10:16 PM (FfQXL)
538
RE: "The chief effect of this seems to be increasing the psychic strain of
#NeverTrumpers, as they continue conflating the question of "Do you feel
Hillary Clinton should be the next president?" with the question they
much prefer answering, "Do you have Principles and which Personalities
do you favor here?"
Nope, no psychic strain at all. I don't vote for liberals especially if they are nominated by the Republican Party. The question is . . . what will give America what it *most needs* [other than full-throttle repentance and revival from the country, including me] which is an actual conservative opposition party. That is *the* most important thing for the coming decades, not defeating The Very Most Worstest Candidate Ever Our Country Is Ruined Forever, except for when Gore was running and he was The Very Most Worstest, and then Bill Clinton, and then Barack Obama -- *now* Hillary is The Very Most Worstest and America Is Ruined Forever -- the usual farcical rhetorical template the Republicans use every single four years to try to obscure their latest awful liberal candidate.
Electing Trump will move the country exponentially farther away from what American Most Needs -- an actual conservative opposition party.
So no -- no psychic strain, just very very different basic values from those who are voting for Trump.
#NeverTrumpers, as they continue conflating the question of "Do you feel
Hillary Clinton should be the next president?" with the question they
much prefer answering, "Do you have Principles and which Personalities
do you favor here?"
Nope, no psychic strain at all. I don't vote for liberals especially if they are nominated by the Republican Party. The question is . . . what will give America what it *most needs* [other than full-throttle repentance and revival from the country, including me] which is an actual conservative opposition party. That is *the* most important thing for the coming decades, not defeating The Very Most Worstest Candidate Ever Our Country Is Ruined Forever, except for when Gore was running and he was The Very Most Worstest, and then Bill Clinton, and then Barack Obama -- *now* Hillary is The Very Most Worstest and America Is Ruined Forever -- the usual farcical rhetorical template the Republicans use every single four years to try to obscure their latest awful liberal candidate.
Electing Trump will move the country exponentially farther away from what American Most Needs -- an actual conservative opposition party.
So no -- no psychic strain, just very very different basic values from those who are voting for Trump.
Posted by: Igor at September 23, 2016 10:21 PM (FfQXL)
539
It was best summed up by a caller on Levin's radio talk show. Her primary objection to Trump was that he had not apologized to Cruz...
I actually worked for the Cruz campaign, but my reaction was "you are prepared to flush the Republic down the toilet because Trump didn't tell Cruz he was sorry?"
Seriously?
Hey, maybe we deserve to die.
I actually worked for the Cruz campaign, but my reaction was "you are prepared to flush the Republic down the toilet because Trump didn't tell Cruz he was sorry?"
Seriously?
Hey, maybe we deserve to die.
Posted by: Fen at September 23, 2016 11:47 PM (NSMA9)
540
"f you're Ted Cruz, you really believe endorsing will help defeat Hillary? It's silly. He's smarter than that. That's why people question the motive. Find me a (real) Cruz voter who was STILL holding out, that this announcement will suddenly win over for Trump, and I'll eat my shoe."
I noticed scads of them on Cruz's Facebook just for starters.
But please, don't eat your shoe.
I noticed scads of them on Cruz's Facebook just for starters.
But please, don't eat your shoe.
Posted by: Drider at September 24, 2016 02:24 AM (6Xbsz)
541
Ace, you're vastly overestimating the number of Never Trumpers and, in doing so, you're fighting the wrong war. Keep convincing yourself it's winnable so long as you get Republicans on board the Trump truck.
Posted by: Me, That's Who at September 24, 2016 03:13 AM (kJQl6)
542
Is the Trump truck a monster truck? I hope so.
Posted by: The Great Unwashed at September 24, 2016 03:43 AM (ryf4r)
543
Posted by: Drider at September 24, 2016 02:24 AM (6Xbsz)
Interesting. Well, there are lots of stupid things on Facebook (that's why I'm not). But the two modifiers were "real" and "still". The happiest people in America today are those who screamed never before the convention but who quietly threw in the towel months ago. I'll just be amazed if this has any effect at all on the polls.
Interesting. Well, there are lots of stupid things on Facebook (that's why I'm not). But the two modifiers were "real" and "still". The happiest people in America today are those who screamed never before the convention but who quietly threw in the towel months ago. I'll just be amazed if this has any effect at all on the polls.
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 24, 2016 07:04 AM (zWTYO)
544
Ted Cruz is a professional politician. People who want to make him out as anything else are setting themselves up for disappointment. Cruz still has a woman problem and needs the acquiescence of people who could make a stink about it to advance further. Think Chris Christie and so-called bridge-gate. In politics truth-rarely-matters.
Posted by: Ok at September 24, 2016 08:34 AM (lHLzU)
545
"I'll just be amazed if this has any effect at all on the polls."
I agree. The importance is in establishment writ large. Everyone-who-is-anyone (sarcasm) now thinks Hillary is toast and are switching sides. Probably came about because of GHWB trial balloon to support Hillary failing so bad. The FBI will probably start granting immunity to whole agencies (sarcasm).
I agree. The importance is in establishment writ large. Everyone-who-is-anyone (sarcasm) now thinks Hillary is toast and are switching sides. Probably came about because of GHWB trial balloon to support Hillary failing so bad. The FBI will probably start granting immunity to whole agencies (sarcasm).
Posted by: Ok at September 24, 2016 08:41 AM (lHLzU)
546
RE: "Interesting. Well, there are lots of stupid things on Facebook (that's
why I'm not). But the two modifiers were "real" and "still"."
Yep -- the people now declaring their undying loyalty to Cruz over on his FB page are people who were already gonna vote for Trump and demanded he surrender too. So they're happy now.
RE: "The
happiest people in America today are those who screamed never before the
convention but who quietly threw in the towel months ago."
Here's where we disagree -- I'm one of the happiest people alive. : > ) I will be sad for America when Hillary is sworn in, just as I will be sad for America if she dies right before the election and Trump wins. But . . . my life will be happy and filled with adventures no matter what, and I long ago recognized the rhetorical catastrophizing that Republicans use to whip up terror and anxiety with "The Very Most Worstest Candidate Ever Who Will Kill America Dead" was merely a game to obscure their horrible nominees.
RE: "I'll just be
amazed if this has any effect at all on the polls." Yeh -- people like me are obdurate and didn't base a thing on Cruz or anybody else. I think the main thing for Cruz is that when Trump loses he can say "hey, man, I endorsed the guy with more than a month left to go before the election -- nobody should blame me!"
He's lost a ton of credibility with his base -- people like me -- but I think even that's gonna be okay because I never made Cruz a god -- I don't count on him, or any other human around, other than the one who is divine anyway.
why I'm not). But the two modifiers were "real" and "still"."
Yep -- the people now declaring their undying loyalty to Cruz over on his FB page are people who were already gonna vote for Trump and demanded he surrender too. So they're happy now.
RE: "The
happiest people in America today are those who screamed never before the
convention but who quietly threw in the towel months ago."
Here's where we disagree -- I'm one of the happiest people alive. : > ) I will be sad for America when Hillary is sworn in, just as I will be sad for America if she dies right before the election and Trump wins. But . . . my life will be happy and filled with adventures no matter what, and I long ago recognized the rhetorical catastrophizing that Republicans use to whip up terror and anxiety with "The Very Most Worstest Candidate Ever Who Will Kill America Dead" was merely a game to obscure their horrible nominees.
RE: "I'll just be
amazed if this has any effect at all on the polls." Yeh -- people like me are obdurate and didn't base a thing on Cruz or anybody else. I think the main thing for Cruz is that when Trump loses he can say "hey, man, I endorsed the guy with more than a month left to go before the election -- nobody should blame me!"
He's lost a ton of credibility with his base -- people like me -- but I think even that's gonna be okay because I never made Cruz a god -- I don't count on him, or any other human around, other than the one who is divine anyway.
Posted by: Igor at September 24, 2016 09:40 AM (FfQXL)
547
Here's where we disagree -- I'm one of the happiest people alive. : > ) I will be sad for America when Hillary is sworn in, just as I will be sad for America if she dies right before the election and Trump wins. But . . . my life will be happy and filled with adventures no matter what, and I long ago recognized the rhetorical catastrophizing that Republicans use to whip up terror and anxiety with "The Very Most Worstest Candidate Ever Who Will Kill America Dead" was merely a game to obscure their horrible nominees.
Well my point is they are happy because now they can point to Cruz and Levin to rationalize their own capitulation.
But you're right, it's interesting to me that the terror and anxiety they're whipping up about Clinton is matching the same intensity as they whipped up about Obama. They'd say the same thing about any other democrat, even if Trump had won with the appropriate party id (D) next to his name. Fact is, Clinton is bad - really bad - but even if she wins I'll be relieved that Obama, the furthest left radical revolutionary ever to run for the office, is out of power. I'll be just as relieved, and for the same reason, if Trump wins.
Well my point is they are happy because now they can point to Cruz and Levin to rationalize their own capitulation.
But you're right, it's interesting to me that the terror and anxiety they're whipping up about Clinton is matching the same intensity as they whipped up about Obama. They'd say the same thing about any other democrat, even if Trump had won with the appropriate party id (D) next to his name. Fact is, Clinton is bad - really bad - but even if she wins I'll be relieved that Obama, the furthest left radical revolutionary ever to run for the office, is out of power. I'll be just as relieved, and for the same reason, if Trump wins.
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 24, 2016 11:13 AM (zWTYO)
548
Coming to this late...
Yeah Cruz is just another politician who cares about himself of principles. He pretended to care about principles when it benefited him, but when push came to shove he folded and started supported Clinton's Donor.
"BTW: Why is it that #NeverTrumpers question Cruz' motives, given they get so upset if we question theirs?"
Because you are wrong when you question our motives. We don't want Clinton president any more than you do. We just don't see a difference, and in fact it could be argued that electing Clinton would be better for the country (which is different than saying Clinton is better for the country). She'll have a compliant media, but even if Trump doesn't his whole shtick is pushing back against the media, so there is no difference there.
BUT Republicans won't give in to Clinton for the most part (as they have under Obama), but they will give into Trump wholesale. And he'll appoint "moderates" to SCOTUS, push for and get all sorts of big government things, and he'll push for and get a gang of 8 type immigration policy.
But opposing Trump doesn't mean we want Clinton. He means we don't won't either liberal Democrat for president. We will let other decided which of the two should be president- we refuse to participate.
Yeah Cruz is just another politician who cares about himself of principles. He pretended to care about principles when it benefited him, but when push came to shove he folded and started supported Clinton's Donor.
"BTW: Why is it that #NeverTrumpers question Cruz' motives, given they get so upset if we question theirs?"
Because you are wrong when you question our motives. We don't want Clinton president any more than you do. We just don't see a difference, and in fact it could be argued that electing Clinton would be better for the country (which is different than saying Clinton is better for the country). She'll have a compliant media, but even if Trump doesn't his whole shtick is pushing back against the media, so there is no difference there.
BUT Republicans won't give in to Clinton for the most part (as they have under Obama), but they will give into Trump wholesale. And he'll appoint "moderates" to SCOTUS, push for and get all sorts of big government things, and he'll push for and get a gang of 8 type immigration policy.
But opposing Trump doesn't mean we want Clinton. He means we don't won't either liberal Democrat for president. We will let other decided which of the two should be president- we refuse to participate.
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at September 24, 2016 01:03 PM (2MQEV)
549
RE: "Because you are wrong when you question our motives." Hey man, speak for yourself! I couldn't care less if the Trumpies "question my motives" -- I'm indifferent to their opinions about me.
I definitely believe that a Trump presidency will be far worse for the country long-term than a Hillary presidency.
But honestly -- we don't have to worry about that happening, unless Hillary keels over dead right before the election.
I definitely believe that a Trump presidency will be far worse for the country long-term than a Hillary presidency.
But honestly -- we don't have to worry about that happening, unless Hillary keels over dead right before the election.
Posted by: Igor at September 24, 2016 02:00 PM (FfQXL)
550
Wonder why Ace has posted anything about trumps advisor being investigated for ties to Russia by US intelligence.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/23/u-s-intelligence-probing-ties-russia-former-trump-adviser/
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/23/u-s-intelligence-probing-ties-russia-former-trump-adviser/
Posted by: CarolinaPunk at September 24, 2016 03:14 PM (4Vf8m)
551
RE: "Wonder why Ace has posted anything about trumps advisor being investigated for ties to Russia by US intelligence."
Because it simply doesn't matter once you've decided that Hillary is the Absolutely Most Worstest Candidate Ever And America Will Be Destroyed If She Is President.
Absolutely none of those things matter -- it's all assumed anyway, and baked into the cake.
Because it simply doesn't matter once you've decided that Hillary is the Absolutely Most Worstest Candidate Ever And America Will Be Destroyed If She Is President.
Absolutely none of those things matter -- it's all assumed anyway, and baked into the cake.
Posted by: Igor at September 24, 2016 04:40 PM (FfQXL)
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"I'm sorry, is that too illogical, fantastical even, for the #NeverTrumpers?"
Good thing you and Drew whined all the way to defeat with McCain and Romney.
Good thing you and Drew whined all the way to defeat with McCain and Romney.
Posted by: Poor ace. at September 25, 2016 05:58 PM (p8YKk)
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