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No: Obama's DHS Covering Up a Report Demonstrating That Our Border Security Is Woeful, For Fear of Helping Trump
If you ever wonder why I have become very aggressive and utterly unwilling to extend the slightest sort of political amity towards our opponents, it's because I am not longer willing to play that sort of sap.
If these fuckers have decided it's Thunderdome and laws exist simply to be broken as tactics may require, then only a schmuck continues playing by Marquis de Queensbury rules. I used to argue against that position when commenters pushed it. No more. I'm done. They were right. If it be Thunderdome, then let it be Thunderdome all around.What percentage of illegal immigrants trying to make it across the Unites States’ southern border are stopped by the Border Patrol? According to Fox News, the Department of Homeland Security is sitting on a report which indicates the answer is just 51 percent. That figure is much lower than the official interdiction rate of 81 percent. ... According to Fox reporter William Lajeunesse (video below), the final report was completed in May but, at that time, "the White House domestic policy council stepped in and stopped it." Furthermore, an unnamed source tells Lajeunesse the report is being held for, "political reasons" because it could "help elect Donald Trump."Obama? Obama? Covering up his failures? Lying to the American voter? For cheap political gain? I shan't believe it. I simply shannot.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Dr. Atkins at September 15, 2016 06:21 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: Winston Wolf at September 15, 2016 06:23 PM (bzd8I)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 15, 2016 06:23 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 15, 2016 06:23 PM (bzd8I)
Posted by: Reggie! at September 15, 2016 06:23 PM (7zkP4)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 15, 2016 06:24 PM (INjRJ)
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 06:24 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: SCOAMF at September 15, 2016 06:24 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Reggie! at September 15, 2016 06:23 PM (7zkP4)
Obamma - Giving America the Dutch Oven since 2008
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (S2VsH)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (fi5nC)
From his view, he meant it to turn out this way. So, it is a success from his perspective.
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (LsK71)
Posted by: ajlfour at September 15, 2016 06:25 PM (LJBjZ)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 15, 2016 06:26 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 06:26 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 15, 2016 06:26 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2016 06:26 PM (LsK71)
I used to argue against that position when commenters pushed it.
As I have always said, "keep taking the high road, and keep getting your ass handed to you by those that don't".
Sometimes you DO have to get down in the mud and wrassle the pig.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (cHbIE)
Unites States' southern border are stopped by the Border Patrol?
According to Fox News, the Department of Homeland Security is sitting on
a report which indicates the answer is just 51 percent. That figure is
much lower than the official interdiction rate of 81 percent.
What Obama did early on was change the way they counted deportations. They started counting the number they turned around as deportations. The problem is that they don't turn that many around.
I posted a link several days ago in which a Border Patrol agent said that 80% of the illegals they stopped were turned lose INSIDE the US to keep going. Which means that only 20% of the ones they catch actually get turned around. And of that 20% almost all of them will come back for a second shot since the odds of making it are so high.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (mpXpK)
I simply shannot.
Posted by: Ace at 06:25 PM
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That's NOT a word. Shan't, a perfectly good word, is a contraction of shall not. Shannot is just made up blogger-speak. Please stop the perversion of our beautiful English language.
Posted by: The Word Police at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Spicoli at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (wcSGs)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (O2RFr)
I simply shannot.
Posted by: Ace at 06:25 PM
++++
That's NOT a word. Shan't, a perfectly good word, is a contraction of shall not. Shannot is just made up blogger-speak. Please stop the perversion of our beautiful English language.
Posted by: The Word Police at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (R+30W)
It's a typo - Ace meant to write "Shallot"
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (7qAYi)
Yeah. 93 million out of work out of 330 million people.
Close to 33%.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (cHbIE)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: teej at September 15, 2016 06:28 PM (02ckt)
Posted by: The irredeemable garbone at September 15, 2016 06:29 PM (9dH/8)
Posted by: blog history at September 15, 2016 06:29 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:29 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Madame DeFarge at September 15, 2016 06:29 PM (nb0KL)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (LsK71)
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (IqV8l)
We can't have someone like that be President.
Better to have a porous border for the jihadists under someone that takes National security seriously like Hillary.
Posted by: Maritime at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (4Y+8j)
Posted by: Barack Obama at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Simply Deplorable. at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (d76uN)
Shannot is the unelision.
Keyring Unelieson
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (IqV8l)
Down the road that I must travel
Keyring Unelieson
Through the darkness of the night
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 15, 2016 06:30 PM (fi5nC)
_George Will
George, she flies on private airplanes and their air filters can be adjusted any way they want.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:31 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: Xnycpeasant at September 15, 2016 06:31 PM (XtiOl)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:31 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: DHS climate scientists at September 15, 2016 06:31 PM (H9MG5)
but they still try to tell us there is only 11 million total?
What.. is the border a Revolving Door like in a bad 3 Stooges Movie??? they just go round and round?
If the Government ADMITS to 200,000 not getting caught.... and then another 500K Visa Overstays last year...
Why do these numbers not make sense...
oh.... right... math...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:31 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 06:31 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: Dan Rather at 101.6 KHz at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (s0t8a)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (E7/zB)
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: Maritime at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (4Y+8j)
We're paying for their "play."
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (O2RFr)
What's that frequency again?
Posted by: Kenneth at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Paul Ryan at September 15, 2016 06:32 PM (LsK71)
Posted by: Darth Randall at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (6n332)
set to spring in to action... he, and McConnell, and Flake, McCain, and Graham, and Corker.
Feel better now? Yeah. Me neither.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: George Will can start shutting the fuck up any time now at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: Sarahw at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (Sp1NT)
Posted by: Afroman at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (8Vq35)
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (nQHw/)
Posted by: Jean Shallot at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (7zkP4)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: Kreplach at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (NrSeK)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (LsK71)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (cHbIE)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (4e+hS)
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (IqV8l)
I'm holding out for a yuge Trumpapult. Supposedly it will shoot your ass right back to Alleppo from the top of Trump Tower.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Simply Deplorable. at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (d76uN)
Yes you can see where that would cause a chronic cough in a Candidate... Just look at Trump who's traveled twice as much as Hillary..... He's hacking his lungs out....
Did I mention he's fat?
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Afroman at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (8Vq35)
Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (EZkAS)
Posted by: bjk at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (h5mTW)
I have a rule of thumb when it comes to guys who wear bow ties -- if the wife is watching and they're dancing around wearing g strings I'll let it pass. Otherwise gimme the remote, this guy can't be taken seriously.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative but 100% deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (ZFUt7)
Out flew the web and floated wide
the mirror crack'd from side to side
the curse is upon me
cried the blogger of Shallot
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (x3uSY)
Probably only when Trump mentions them in his speeches. For all the faults, CNN has been very good at playing a LOT of Trump's speeches.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (587aW)
Posted by: Verne Troyer at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Darth Randall at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (6n332)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (IqV8l)
Oh yeah. She's newsworthy.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 15, 2016 06:36 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: someone who's seen Ace's iPod at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (ODxAs)
That's just pathetic.
Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (0tfLf)
That is all.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2016 06:34 PM (LsK71)
He knows he won't make the first cut during The Burning Times.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:35 PM (IqV8l)
I'll take Jim J. Bullock to block.
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (7qAYi)
_George Will
I never dreamed the conspiracy within GOP-E was this vast.
I'm totally serious, I mean is everyone on the take in DC?
Posted by: Maritime at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (4Y+8j)
Posted by: Maritime
Because South Korea has the cutest female golfers? They are very cute.
Posted by: Puddlglum at September 15, 2016 06:38 PM (20X6f)
Posted by: Cockroaches at September 15, 2016 06:38 PM (C9pBZ)
I thought that was what you called it when DC Fontana and Gene Coon rewrote him.
Anyway, I can't believe so many people here haven't heard of "The Lady of Shannot" by Gorge Geordan Lord Bryan.
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at September 15, 2016 06:38 PM (T9DQN)
***
Is the best of all possible worlds for the governing class.
They get to pay bottom dollar for industrial labor and bottom dollar for personal labor (landscaping, maids, etc) and YOU the taxpayer get to pick up the slack!
Along the lines of fighting back, I would like to see a Trump proposal that the cost of an H1B will now equal the yearly salary of an American at the position. Want to hire an Indian engineer because he will cost you half of what the American would cost? Well now you have to pay their combined salary.
Why?
Because fuck you, you made your bed, lie in it.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:38 PM (E7/zB)
Shannot is a nautical term. It is how you tie together your shans.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 15, 2016 06:37 PM (ODxAs)
So Granny Knots are only used on Grannies?
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (qf6WZ)
be broken as tactics may require, then only a schmuck continues playing
by Marquis de Queensbury rules.
Okay, so what is the endgame then? They believe that they are entitled to do anything that they can get away with, regardless of what laws or the Constitution says. Should this now be the position of the right as well? And if so, where does it end?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (C9pBZ)
___
Gross
They have no penises, err I mean asses, at all.
Posted by: Barack Obama at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (E7/zB)
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (qf6WZ)<<<
It's how we usually keep Hillary from falling.
Posted by: the Secret Service at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (evw2O)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (/tuJf)
***
Yes
When we win.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (E7/zB)
Can someone explain to me again why it's totes awesome the US military gets to defend South Korea's border but not our own?
Posted by: Maritime
The standard answer is Posse Comitatus
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Maritime
And South Korea also pays the United States money for the defense. I don't recall the exact numbers, but in 2013 or 2014 it was about $800 Million US.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (587aW)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Simply Deplorable. at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (d76uN)
Posted by: The Lady of Shannot at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (gTQoY)
Why?
Because fuck you, you made your bed, lie in it.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:38 PM (E7/zB)
simpler... if you are not a citizen of this country, or at least here LEAGALLY, you need to pay full price for your children's education.
At $14K per year per kid... it adds up in a real hurry.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Darth Randall
Because its not Mexicans crossing the border? Mostly Central/South American. And muzzies. The Mexicans don't want them either so they ship them up to there stoopid neighbors to the North.
Posted by: Puddlglum at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (20X6f)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 06:41 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Bosk at September 15, 2016 06:42 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (gXKl3)
It's us or them. No other way this can end.
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 06:42 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (587aW)
And how much does it cost US to defend them?
$800 Million is like 2 aircraft nowadays...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:42 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 06:42 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 06:42 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:43 PM (0mRoj)
Seriously, do they gather together at the end of the day and report "Fifteen guys crossed the zone in my sector today; I stopped nine of them, and six got away"?
How about: "Fifteen guys crossed the zone in my sector today that showed up on my scanner; I stopped nine of them, and six got away, plus however many of them didn't show up on the scanner"?
They can only report on the percentage that they know about.
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2016 06:43 PM (iIzG7)
Why did no other candidates breathing airplane air all the time in the past say 30 years develop this cough?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 15, 2016 06:43 PM (ODxAs)
Would he like to meet Raymond Burr?
I think George Will is only mostly dead...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:43 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Obligatory at September 15, 2016 06:43 PM (E7/zB)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 15, 2016 06:43 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (C9pBZ)
So a lifelong criminal career, capped by the daily sale of her office for personal and party gain, is to be ignored unless the press can find equally negative things to say abut Trump.
The sophistry actually makes sense to these fucking clowns.
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (ZHnL2)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (587aW)
Posted by: Zombie Robin Wiliams at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (7zkP4)
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion
I would say millions coming across the border every year illegally would fall under what the Founder's would consider an "invasion".
Posted by: Maritime at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (4Y+8j)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (Sfs6o)
***
Well, they could cover her successes as a Senator or SOS, but then what would they do for the other 23 hours and 59 minutes per day?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:45 PM (E7/zB)
My guess is it also talks about catch and release numbers...
Remember, the 51% if the number they catch... not necessarily the number who do not make it to the US.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:45 PM (qf6WZ)
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion
And we haven't had a Republican form of government arguably since Reconstruction.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)
That's right: catch and release.
The correct number is 100% got through.
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 06:45 PM (ZHnL2)
be broken as tactics may require, then only a schmuck continues playing
by Marquis de Queensbury rules.
Okay, so what is the endgame then? They believe that they are entitled to do anything that they can get away with, regardless of what laws or the Constitution says. Should this now be the position of the right as well? And if so, where does it end?
Posted by: chemjeff
What is being missed here is that when one side is lawless, then to respond in kind is not lawless. Just as it is illegal to assault someone normally, but if they attack you without provocation, then it is perfectly legal and moral to assault them back to defend yourself.
So the situations are not symmetric.
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 15, 2016 06:45 PM (iFgwk)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:39 PM (gXKl3)
With us shooting them hopefully.
Seriously, they claimed the Rule Of Law was a "White Male Social Construct". So let's de-construct them. With firearms.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (ujg0T)
***
In fact the current "immigration crises" more closely resembles what invasions look like historically then the images people have of WWII.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (E7/zB)
Keyword is fight. Hard and dirty. Like Sherman.
Not to make friends or stand on moral high ground.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (d6TTt)
By that metric who rates a ten? I mean besides someone with secret service protection.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative but 100% deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (ZFUt7)
When we win.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (E7/zB)
You mean, when some person with an (R) after their name wins?
Even if that person is, say, of the Paul Ryan persuasion? You want that guy to think that laws don't apply and he should just do whatever he wants?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (8lPj5)
Bret Baier just said that.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Sarahw at September 15, 2016 06:33 PM (Sp1NT)<<<
Errah, I never drove an Oldsmobile Shannot.
Posted by: zombie Ted Kennedy at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (H9MG5)
Covering up his failures?
Lying to the American voter?
For cheap political gain?
I shan't believe it.
.............
Well, tear my arm off.
Posted by: Inspector Krough at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (HgMAr)
Covering up his failures?
Lying to the American voter?
For cheap political gain?
I shan't believe it.
.............
Well, tear my arm off.
Posted by: Inspector Krough at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (HgMAr)
Not funny. At. All.
*sobs*
Posted by: Michelle Fields at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (+eR2D)
J Johnson donated $561,+++.00 to the DNC, he was then appointed Director of DHS.
Bret Baier just said that.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (8n0ul)
How did he get that much of money to donate to the DNC in the first place?
Posted by: IC at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Caliban at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Max Power at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (q177U)
lawless, then to respond in kind is not lawless. Just as it is illegal
to assault someone normally, but if they attack you without provocation,
then it is perfectly legal and moral to assault them back to defend
yourself.
So the situations are not symmetric.
Posted by: Yuimetal at September 15, 2016 06:45 PM (iFgwk)
Well I don't know about that.
To take an extreme example, suppose a terrorist intentionally blows up a school bus full of kids. Would it be considered then "legal and moral" for us to *intentionally* blow up a school bus full of terrorists' kids? I would say no.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Maritime
Yes. Except me. Don't know the "right" people.
Posted by: Puddlglum at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (20X6f)
Just like we have ships in the sea to defend us from "invaders" we can most certainly have soldiers patrolling the Southern border along with physical barriers.
Posted by: Maritime at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (4Y+8j)
Even if that person is, say, of the Paul Ryan persuasion? You want that guy to think that laws don't apply and he should just do whatever he wants?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (gXKl3)
Better RINOs than Commiecrats on that point, far better in fact, because they are too timid to do much.
Let us not confuse treason with cowardice.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (ujg0T)
By that metric who rates a ten? I mean besides someone with secret service protection.
Martin Shkreli comes to mind.
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (T9DQN)
And, shannot? There has to be a Sha Na Na joke in there... Muldoon?
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (KihF+)
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2016 06:50 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 15, 2016 06:50 PM (ODxAs)
Shannot is the unelision. Keyring Unelieson
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:27 PM (IqV8l)
Kyrie shannoteleison
Posted by: Caliban at September 15, 2016 06:50 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Max Power at September 15, 2016 06:50 PM (q177U)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 06:50 PM (qUNWi)
Stage 1: Trying to carefully conceal it.
Stage 2: In your face. "What are you peons gonna do about it?"
Stage 3: Humiliation. As described by Tony Daniels:
"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 06:50 PM (fgOnp)
Covering up his failures?
Lying to the American voter?
For cheap political gain?
I shan't believe it.
.............
Well, tear my arm off.
Posted by: Inspector Krough at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (HgMAr)
Not funny. At. All.
*sobs*
Posted by: Michelle Fields at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)
There's gambling at Rick's?
Posted by: Capt. Renault at September 15, 2016 06:51 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (gXKl3)
I say no as well. We would also need to kill their entire families, their friends, and wipe their hometowns off the face of the earth. That's the legal and moral thing to do. It's fucking war, not pattycake.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:51 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 15, 2016 06:51 PM (VdICR)
Better RINOs than Commiecrats on that point, far better in fact, because they are too timid to do much.
Let us not confuse treason with cowardice.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (ujg0T)
Umm, plenty of people around here think Paul Ryan is a traitor.
And you dodged the central point. Regardless if you think a lawless Paul Ryan would actually do anything (because he's "too timid"), do you really want a guy like that to have that kind of power? Or any person for that matter?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:51 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (O2RFr)
Even if that person is, say, of the Paul Ryan persuasion? You want that guy to think that laws don't apply and he should just do whatever he wants?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (gXKl3)
****
Goddamnit Perfesser, you are going to have to clean up your own straw this time. The rest of us are sick of it.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin
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Clockmed?
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (KihF+)
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Exactly! Now lets no make sure the Progs don't leave...
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (KhJh8)
*sobs*
Posted by: Michelle Fields at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)
............
Quit whining. Nobody asked you for a handjob.
Posted by: Inspector Krough at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (HgMAr)
Mexico building that wall on their southern border: perfectly cromulent.
Only if they get Guatemala to pay for it.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (PjWy4)
Set back from the actual border of course. Easement regulations and all.
I was going to say add a minefield, but we are better than that.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (d6TTt)
Posted by: That Guy who Shouts "En fuego!" now in Finnish at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (evw2O)
This woman-- o shit-- she wants to bring Snowden back and put him in her administration..
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (8n0ul)
$800 Million is like 2 aircraft nowadays...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:42 PM (qf6WZ)
I'd like South Korea to have nukes.
And long range missiles. Part of the agreement is that South Korea can only build missiles that reach a certain range, to keep China and Japan less nervous.
I think after 8 years of this giant, moist pussy that's been stinking up the Oval Office, a few eyes have been opened worldwide. I don't see how any country can look at the state of the US and truly trust future Presidents to come to their defense, agreements or not.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (587aW)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (0mRoj)
The answer isn't to throw out the rulebook, the answer is to actually enforce the rulebook.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 06:49 PM (KihF+)<<<
I sorta tried, at 85.
Posted by: Ace's iPod stalker at September 15, 2016 06:54 PM (H9MG5)
Not me. I just think he is spineless.
And you dodged the central point. Regardless if you think a lawless Paul Ryan would actually do anything (because he's "too timid"), do you really want a guy like that to have that kind of power? Or any person for that matter?
No I didn't, and we are at that point already. Lesser of evils, realpolitik, and all that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 15, 2016 06:54 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable
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*makes mental note to add Insomniac to Christmas List*
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 06:55 PM (KihF+)
*sobs*
Posted by: Michelle Fields at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)
............
Quit whining. Nobody asked you for a handjob.
Posted by: Inspector Krough at September 15, 2016 06:52 PM (HgMAr)
Yeah..... her Career Enhancing skills are still in place.... after all, its not like she got hit in the mouth...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 06:55 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 06:55 PM (zWTYO)
Exactly.
Kill enough and they'll stop.
It's that simple. The decisions should be hard, the plans not so.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 06:55 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 15, 2016 06:56 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 06:56 PM (IqV8l)
Dude. Everyone rates a ten. It's the premise of the metric system.
OTOH, if G*d had meant for man to use the metric system, Jesus would have only had 10 disciples.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 15, 2016 06:56 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (3GFMN)
No comment as of yet from Hillary's campaign.
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (ZHnL2)
And send kids back separately from their families. You break the law, you should have to spend some reflection time thinking about what you did as you search for your children sent back to somewhere on a different plane. And then spread the word....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (587aW)
Bret Baier just said that.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:47 PM (8n0ul)
How did he get that much of money to donate to the DNC in the first place?
Posted by: IC at September 15, 2016 06:48 PM (a0IVu)<<<
You can call me Reh, you can call me Jeh, but the one thing you can't call me is poor (apparently).
Posted by: Jeh Johnson at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (H9MG5)
Kill enough and they'll stop.
No Mr.Garrison we can't kill all the mexicans... We can cut of all and any services to them, the illegals that is. No Food, housing ,health care, or School for their Children... In other words no hand outs...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (0mRoj)
You mean they are actually Orthodox Muslims, adhering to the tenets of their faith? And the movie actually has them get their tickets punched?
May have to watch it. Sounds enjoyable.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (d6TTt)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 15, 2016 06:54 PM (ujg0T)
Yeah you are dodging. Regardless of where *we are at*, do you *want* lawless leaders?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (gXKl3)
I have zero tolerance for anyone who supports this lying cabal
Posted by: Cheri at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (TmVQX)
their friends, and wipe their hometowns off the face of the earth.
That's the legal and moral thing to do. It's fucking war, not pattycake.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable
Marry me.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: Eric Holder at September 15, 2016 06:58 PM (3GFMN)
Go do that.
Posted by: come back when you're done at September 15, 2016 06:58 PM (CDiPl)
A bunch of people bribe him, he bribes the DNC, he gets power, pays off his cronies, the Circle of Life continues...
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: Weasel
Are we predisposed to speaking of the same man? He simply --aware of the inherent dangers of sudden stops and starts as part and parcel of travel by rail -- insured the safekeeping of items of jewelry from people about to embark on an arduous journey.
Posted by: George Will at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (ZFUt7)
I cannot eat Green Eggs and Ham
I cannot, shannot Sam I Am.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (wPiJc)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (gXKl3)
*****
He is not dodging. He is responding to current reality, not your Strawman diversionary fantasies.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (KcI5m)
May have to watch it. Sounds enjoyable.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (d6TTt)
They don't come out and label them but it's pretty damn obvious.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (KihF+)
So a lifelong criminal career, capped by the daily sale of her office for personal and party gain, is to be ignored unless the press can find equally negative things to say abut Trump.
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 06:44 PM (ZHnL2)
Second look at the Fairness Doctrine?
Posted by: The MSM at September 15, 2016 07:00 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (gXKl3)
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Sounds like a Randian paradise!
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:00 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: David Axelrod at September 15, 2016 07:00 PM (3GFMN)
A bunch of people bribe him, he bribes the DNC, he gets power, pays off his cronies, the Circle of Life continues...
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (PjWy4)
Corporate trial lawyer.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2016 07:00 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 06:59 PM (KihF+)
Damn. Rochambeau you for it?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:00 PM (+eR2D)
When we win.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 15, 2016 06:40 PM (E7/zB)
You mean, when some person with an (R) after their name wins?
Even if that person is, say, of the Paul Ryan persuasion? You want that guy to think that laws don't apply and he should just do whatever he wants?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:46 PM (gXKl3)
That fine young man would make a great President while all of you wait breathlessly for the upcoming constitutional crisis we cause to be settled in court.
You like Paul Ryan. Yes?
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:00 PM (xpJpI)
their friends, and wipe their hometowns off the face of the earth.
That's the legal and moral thing to do. It's fucking war, not pattycake.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable
Marry me.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (+eR2D)
Wow, my first online proposal!
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (O2RFr)
You *want* Hillary. Which makes you an Ouroboros.
A snake eating it's own tail.
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
their friends, and wipe their hometowns off the face of the earth.
That's the legal and moral thing to do. It's fucking war, not pattycake.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable
Marry me.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (+eR2D)
Wow, my first online proposal!
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (0mRoj)
You'll probably need to clear it with her husband though.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: David Burge at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (3GFMN)
Exactly.
Kill enough and they'll stop.
It's that simple. The decisions should be hard, the plans not so.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 06:55 PM (C9pBZ)
actually... I'd go a little different direction.
When you kill someone from a culture that celebrates martyrdom.... its not really effective.
You need to go after their cause... and make their action a negative to the Cause...
In this case... they are killing us, and themselves in the name of Islam... so punish Islam.
Level whatever Mosque they attended. Fine said Mosque. Fine the religious institutions. Go after the Theocracies that bred them with sanctions, and fines.
I have no problem at all with Collective Punishment against those who are not US Citizens...
Oh.... and outlaw this dual citizen crap... you're either with us... or agin us....
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
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That is how we won WWII...
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (KhJh8)
Umm I don't want Hillary.
But very few are willing to own up to the nature of the universe they claim to wish to live in.
No more rules, it's all about Will to Power now, I suppose? That means anarchy and dictatorship in the end.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: IC
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He got his freezer from the place William Jefferson got his?
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (KihF+)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
*****
You may want to glance again at the rules of posting here, Perfesser.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (KcI5m)
It's opaque.
F*ck his entire administration sideways. Pineapple stuffed with grenade. Sideways.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (1ZOkK)
The answer isn't to throw out the rulebook, the answer is to actually enforce the rulebook.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 06:53 PM (gXKl3)
What do you do when the people charged with enforcing the rulebook are the ones who threw it out instead?
I'd say the answer begins with "When in the course of human events..."
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (sdi6R)
Umm ... yes.
Posted by: zombie Curtis LeMay at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (evw2O)
It's worked for obama...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (O2RFr)
And he made his cash the old fashioned way - shakedowns.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Cora Segal at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:03 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
Won't speak for him... but for me? Yes.
Limited Wars are never won.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:04 PM (qf6WZ)
He really plugs up my pitot tube and makes me want to retire to the poop deck for some grog.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at September 15, 2016 07:04 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (KhJh
Yes, essentially. That is the way it has been done throughout history, far more often than not.
But then, everyone knows this. Or should.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 07:04 PM (d6TTt)
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)
Pffffbbbbbttttttttt. Party pooper.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (O2RFr)
You boys are running out of wax.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (8n0ul)
221 Insomniac, are you serious? You really think the military should be
deliberately targeting civilians and leveling entire cities in order to
wage war?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
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That is how we won WWII...
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (KhJh
Yes, but WWII was waged by nation-states, not individuals. Not sure I want to engage in Zippenhaft.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: nip at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (L5nkE)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM (gXKl3)
In the case of Islamic Jihad, at the very least, yes. This is the only thing they will understand and might be deterred by. The way you stop belligerents like this is to make the price of, uh, belligering (since we're making up new words) so high they won't want to pay it anymore.
By the by, do you think Fat Man and Little Boy only killed members of the Japanese Imperial Military? Yet without them, an additional million or so Americans and Japanese would likely have died in conventional warfare, including women and children.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (0mRoj)
This is why I can not cotton conversation at this location. The profane responses are unsettling.
Posted by: George Will at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (ZFUt7)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (oqMTy)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Dana Milbank at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (3GFMN)
Subject change...
Raiders!!
Wait....sorry....too soon?
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (RO6kX)
Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (jBuUi)
Umm I don't want Hillary.
But very few are willing to own up to the nature of the universe they claim to wish to live in.
No more rules, it's all about Will to Power now, I suppose? That means anarchy and dictatorship in the end.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (gXKl3)
There are no rules. We are transparent about that.
Anarchy for us. Dictatorship for you. This is the current state of affairs.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (xpJpI)
I may have caught Hillary's! pneumonia or whatever through the internet.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 07:07 PM (wPiJc)
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2016 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)
Does she live in Utah by any chance?
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:07 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: DangerGirl
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You can have him.
*That is probably the only episode of Southpark I ever watched in it's entirety.
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 07:07 PM (KihF+)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (Sfs6o)
Exactly. Make an example. Shit will stop real quick.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (+eR2D)
Love that she wants Medea Benjamin of Code Pink as her SoS.
Jeebus, make it stop.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (1ZOkK)
Anarchy for us. Dictatorship for you. This is the current state of affairs.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (xpJpI)
And evidently the HQ is now agreement with Barry on this point, just with the (D) and (R) switching places.
Now even the right is advocating for a banana republic....
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (dZ756)
You make the Nation state they are from, or in, control them OR they are part of the problem.
We all know that Pakistan knew where OBL was for years.... yet they never paid any price for hiding him.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (Sfs6o)
Exactly. Make an example. Shit will stop real quick.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (+eR2D)
I would have responsed to 9-11 by dropping a couple of low yield nukes in strategic locations. One of which would have been Mecca.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (dZ756)
Islamic State....They have proclaimed themselves a Nation State. Sherman also waged war against Confederate civilians, granted he did not kill a lot of civilians, but he did burn down a lot of houses, lots of plunder, etc.
Also, if not a nation state than we can treat all Jihadists as basically pirates and shoot them like in the days of old. No need for rules than at all...
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (KhJh8)
Won't work ... they don't care...
Posted by: deplorable donna at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (O2RFr)
But then I remembered that the left did that about 50 times when Bush was president as political theater, and not only did it never lead anywhere, but it made them look like power-hungry revolutionaries what with the "People's Tribunal" and the pretend-guillotines and so forth.
So, let's not faux-impeach Obama. Let's just spit on his memory.
Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (jBuUi)
Now - I didn't wade through the comments, so help me out ... are the usual suspects telling everyone "stay calm", "don't get too hasty", and "we can't sink to their level" ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (fiGNd)
Indeed. Make the big Rock glow in the dark and there will be major changes in Islam.
Until then, more civilians will die.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (C9pBZ)
yes. This is the only thing they will understand and might be deterred
by. The way you stop belligerents like this is to make the price of, uh,
belligering (since we're making up new words) so high they won't want
to pay it anymore.
By the by, do you think Fat Man and Little Boy only killed members
of the Japanese Imperial Military? Yet without them, an additional
million or so Americans and Japanese would likely have died in
conventional warfare, including women and children.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:05 PM (0mRoj)
EXACTLY !
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (c6/9Q)
Sigh.
If you're not going to eat that .......
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (qUNWi)
I think it was of course better to save American lives in order to demonstrate it, but I don't know if it was necessary to level a city in order to do it.
Nagasaki is a little more defensible, because it was dropped on an industrial center, not in the middle of the town.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:01 PM
Pro Tip: Probability of winning friends and influencing people is somewhere between delta and epsilon.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (TD9KB)
Yeah.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (C9pBZ)
Thank you, dick head. I'm waaaay ahead of you.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (1ZOkK)
Love that she wants Medea Benjamin of Code Pink as her SoS.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (1ZOkK)
That is a whole new level of crazy.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: setnaffa at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (jl6Ly)
Now even the right is advocating for a banana republic....
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (gXKl3)
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Uummm, no. What I see is advocating for use of the same tactics that are used against us, for a time. Once it is shown that these tactics will occasionally be used, we can go back to being the gentlemen Country club party until it is time to use them again.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (KcI5m)
out ... are the usual suspects telling everyone "stay calm", "don't get
too hasty", and "we can't sink to their level" ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (fiGNd)
and don't bomb ISIS to smithereens...
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (KhJh
Both Iran and the House of Saud are complicit in multiple acts of Terrorism...
yet have never been held accountable...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (qf6WZ)
Now - I didn't wade through the comments, so help me out ... are the usual suspects telling everyone "stay calm", "don't get too hasty", and "we can't sink to their level" ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (fiGNd)
A tiny bit, of not much consequence.
The general consensus is sort of Conan the Barbarian, Vlad Tepes.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (d6TTt)
MSM now treating Hillary's return to campaigning like MacArthur returning to the PI.
Hillary took most of August off yet the MSM treats her like she's the hardest working man in show business.
And the absurd gaslighting by the MSM that her 'pneumonia' caused her to freeze and flop and lose control of her nervous system waiting for her van at 9/11 is insulting.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (fgOnp)
And send delegations of Marines to visit with certain heads of state.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (8n0ul)
And to be honest, yeah I actually am conflicted by Hiroshima, whether
that was the best way to demonstrate a nuclear weapon to the Japanese.
I
think it was of course better to save American lives in order to
demonstrate it, but I don't know if it was necessary to level a city in
order to do it.
Nagasaki is a little more defensible, because it was dropped on an industrial center, not in the middle of the town.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (gXKl3)
I love ya, chemjeff, but study some fucking history PLEASE.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (1ZOkK)
Nagasaki is a little more defensible, because it was dropped on an industrial center, not in the middle of the town.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (gXKl3)
Yeah why drop a bomb on Hiroshima? I mean its not like the city was a major headquarters for their military or anything.
Oh, Wait...
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (z/Ubi)
back to being the gentlemen Country club party until it is time to use
them again.
Uh huh. And Roman Emperors gave up their power when the Roman Civil War ended....
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (KhJh
Both Iran and the House of Saud are complicit in multiple acts of Terrorism...
yet have never been held accountable...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (qf6WZ)
Hell, that ratfucker Barry is giving the Mullahs hundreds of millions of dollars to fund terrorism and their nuclear program.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:13 PM (0mRoj)
This woman-- o shit-- she wants to bring Snowden back and put him in her administration..
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored
HAH!! Damn, what a wonderful idea!! What could go wrong?
This election season is a Pessimists wet dream!
Posted by: Puddlglum at September 15, 2016 07:13 PM (20X6f)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (fiGNd)
*****
Most assuredly. Cuz, you know, that has worked so well for the last 50+ years.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:13 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:13 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (gXKl3)
Eat me, pal.
Posted by: Cincinnatus at September 15, 2016 07:14 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:14 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM
FIFY. Yes.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 15, 2016 07:14 PM (TD9KB)
You're going to want to stop reading before he gets to the bit about what that salty taste in our collective mouths is.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at September 15, 2016 07:14 PM (rznWS)
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I'm not. It was word-perfect.
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (ZHnL2)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (c6/9Q)
I'll point out that there was already an assassination attempt on the Donald.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (BS8yt)
pirates and shoot them like in the days of old. No need for rules than
at all..."
Hostis humani generis.
From the Latin, meaning: summary trial after the captain has breakfast, hanging at noon. The defendant's appeal rights begin the following morning, and run out at sunset Friday.
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (gXKl3)
Marquess is the British term.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (DW+jj)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 15, 2016 07:15 PM (evw2O)
Indeed. Make the big Rock glow in the dark and there will be major changes in Islam.
Until then, more civilians will die.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:10 PM (C9pBZ)
Yes my Brothers... for it says in the Holy Script that after 2 Holy Cities are destroyed in Fire, that the Last Imam will come.... and we goaded the Great Satan America into doing just that...
Any day now.... yup.... uh.... Achmed... where are you going??? Really... he's coming next week....
Posted by: Ayatollah Cockamamey 2017 at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (gXKl3)
****
Well then, if it becomes a matter of constant power shift, go for their fcuking jugular. Every time.
What you are advocating is the definition of insanity.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (KcI5m)
of low yield nukes in strategic locations. One of which would have been
Mecca.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (0mRoj)
Nicer than my response would have been.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (+eR2D)
How would you rectify that?
Posted by: Alana at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (WlfOv)
Marquess is the British term.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius)
*****
I'm going to have to give you high marquis marks for this comment.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (wPiJc)
Can't fix stupid, I guess.
'Sup ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (CFc5L)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (KcI5m)
What you are advocating is outright dictatorship.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (BS8yt)
Hey remember when Ramses II overran Nubians and Hittites ? That was awesome !! Secured his border !
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (c6/9Q)
.............
If he didn't maybe the video could have helped him find his car keys.
Posted by: wth at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Oprah Winfrey at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (wPiJc)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Nicky Más Duro! at September 15, 2016 07:18 PM (GdgAM)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:18 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:18 PM (C9pBZ)
Anarchy for us. Dictatorship for you. This is the current state of affairs.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:06 PM (xpJpI)
And evidently the HQ is now agreement with Barry on this point, just with the (D) and (R) switching places.
Now even the right is advocating for a banana republic....
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (gXKl3)
You are not very good at role playing nor reading comprehension are you?
I'm DC there is no difference between the R's and the D's. It is all about the BENJIES. That has been exposed plain as day and yet you hold on to the R and D labels.
Anarchy in the DC. Dictatorship for the unpeople and irredeemables everywhere else unless we grant them special status for a certain time period to advance our agenda.
You no fun! Straight to the Wheel of Justice for you!
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:18 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
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Marquis Marks?
Y'know, he turned out to be a pretty decent actor afterall.
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 07:18 PM (KihF+)
I think it was of course better to save American lives in order to demonstrate it, but I don't know if it was necessary to level a city in order to do it.
Nagasaki is a little more defensible, because it was dropped on an industrial center, not in the middle of the town.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (gXKl3)
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What about te fire bombing of Tokyo. Hell LeMay admitted that he was out to kill civilians, because they were working in the factories (mostly of the cottage industry type) that kept the Japanese war machine operating.
I hate to tell you this but there is a lot of support for ISIS and other Islamic jihadist groups in the Sunni Islamic world. This is really true in places ISIS holds, and why they hold it in the first place.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: Guido911 at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (Q0d1T)
"Odd that they should prefer that choice", says TFG, "I'm very disappointed in them".
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (ZHnL2)
for 2000 Alex. What is war is.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (7zkP4)
...........
Now why did I read that as nubile titties?
Posted by: wth at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (HgMAr)
Chemjeff. The current situation is that the laws only apply to some.
How would you rectify that?
Posted by: Alana at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (WlfOv)
We enforce the law where we have the power to do so.
We obey just laws not because it is the law, but because it is the *right thing to do*.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Barack Humungus at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (nc0mi)
But everyone knows this. Or should.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (d6TTt)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:20 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM
Mark! Mark! Mark! Mark!
Posted by: seal with a cleft palate at September 15, 2016 07:20 PM (TD9KB)
You'd be put some knowledge you probably never learned in HS or college.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:20 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (wPiJc)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (gXKl3)
*****
No, it is something called a measured response. Surely a person such as yourself can see both the benefit and fairness of something like that.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: the chemjeff game at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Your blunder reminds me of an all-time classic on-air gaffe when one of the old-time news anchors -- it may have been John Chancellor -- read a prepared op-ed at the end of a broadcast advocating against adopting the metric standard in the US, and he intended to wrap up his piece with the zinger line, "I wouldn't touch metric with a three-meter pole," but instead he blundered and said "I wouldn't touch metric with a ten-meter (visible pained wince at his gaffe) pole."
Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: eleven at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: wth at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (HgMAr)
you are thinking of the spoils, perhaps ??
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (c6/9Q)
Marquess is sort of strange because it's one of the few English words ending in "ess" that is masculine.
Downton Abbey fans ought to know what it is, because that's what Lady Edith ended up becoming.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (DW+jj)
No, it is something called a measured response.
Surely a person such as yourself can see both the benefit and fairness
of something like that.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (KcI5m)
Uh-huh. And when your "measured response" is met with more outrageously lawless behavior, then what?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (gXKl3)
So someone is arguing that we didn't need to level a city to demonstrate the bomb to get them to surrender?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (gXKl3)
Hard to obey the law anymore when you're dead.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 15, 2016 07:16 PM (wPiJc)<<<
That's not funny.
Posted by: Marquis Mark Wahberg at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: George Jones at September 15, 2016 07:23 PM (8n0ul)
Jane, thank you for your comment.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:23 PM (gXKl3)
We leveled the city of Hiroshima and THEY DIDN'T SURRENDER. So someone is arguing that we didn't need to level a city to demonstrate the bomb to get them to surrender?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost
Yes.
Silly, isn't it?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2016 07:23 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:24 PM (c6/9Q)
... the big bitch I had about W's response to 9-11 - and I caught shit about it when I first came here - was pretty simple, at least I thought. Maybe I'm wrong.
But that shit looked like an act of war to me. I thought it was worth an honest to God Declaration of War. And all the shit that follows. Including my call-up back to Active Duty if needed. Including taxes. Including some squishing of civil liberties. And I didn't give two shits to the notion of "How do you declare war on Islam" ? Seemed to me ... you declare war parts of the globe that support Islam combined with bombing our fucking buildings.
But "W" did it half-assed - and left us with this shit. That pissed me off. Still does.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:24 PM (fiGNd)
Ending a war sooner is just.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (C9pBZ)
In your view, is there anything in war that is not just?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:24 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:08 PM (gXKl3)
___________________
Not advocating.
Just recognizing that that is what we currently have, thanks to the rampant corruption and lawlessness of the left.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 15, 2016 07:24 PM (NnYnv)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:17 PM (gXKl3)
*****
No, it is something called a measured response. Surely a person such as yourself can see both the benefit and fairness of something like that.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:21 PM (KcI5m)
And is also the EXACT way that this country was created.
See.... we once had this King who was making unjust laws, and governing without the consent of the governed.... sooooo...
Posted by: Don Q., who had a direct ancestor at Valley Forge at September 15, 2016 07:24 PM (qf6WZ)
Plus, it scared the fuck out of anyone who ever thought of fucking with us.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Proud Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (c6/9Q)
We leveled the city of Hiroshima and THEY DIDN'T SURRENDER.
So someone is arguing that we didn't need to level a city to demonstrate the bomb to get them to surrender?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (fgOnp)
It was not necessary to inflict that level of damage on a city filled with civilians, no, in order to demonstrate its power.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
Don't forget the salt and pepper!
Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (GdgAM)
Posted by: JohnJ at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (iH4Z+)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (oqMTy)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (c6/9Q)
"There is nothing wrong with your television set. . . Do not attempt to adjust the picture. . . We are controlling transmission. . . ." http://preview.tinyurl.com/bru8rxs
Posted by: Beverly at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (Y2HyU)
Posted by: George Will at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (ZFUt7)
I would have responsed to 9-11 by dropping a couple of low yield nukes in strategic locations. One of which would have been Mecca.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:09 PM (0mRoj)
Yes, that was my first reaction as well. I don't give a crap if they like us, but they damn well better learn to fear us.
I supported Bush's way of doing things, but it's obvious by now that "limited war" is bullshit. Either go all in, or don't go at all.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:22 PM (gXKl3)
******
Sheesh, have you never been in a fight? Never had to respond when someone knocked off your glasses and took your backpack? You amp it up to eleventy and give them everything you have.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: Barack Humungus at September 15, 2016 07:19 PM (nc0mi)
Humongous is a reasonable man
Posted by: Paul Ryan, Democrat at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (cmE8J)
Oh ha ha. How about outright genocide? Can this be justified in a wartime context?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (gXKl3)
That's not an insult in Harry Reid's world, and in his close coterie they know very well that's a compliment. In fact the only higher compliment, to Harry, is "Cub Scout Troup Leader".
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (ZHnL2)
Posted by: garrett at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (ZMBdF)
female form of Marquess, the wife of a Marquess. Without looking it up."
French Marquesa, English Marchioness.
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (iIzG7)
When the Government fears the People, you have Liberty.
Our Government does not fear us...
Posted by: Don Q., who had a direct ancestor at Valley Forge at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (evw2O)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
A meaningful glance, a gentle touch of the hand. They could have worked, if they had only been tried.
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (oqMTy)
yet have never been held accountable...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:12 PM (qf6WZ)
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Correct...and why we are not respected at all. The Arabians pay off our leaders when our people are killed by their Jihadists, and Iran gets away with it by threatening us (aided by a U.S. government in the hands SJWs).
Hell I don't respect us anymore either. Either way average Americans and military personnel get killed and nothing happens.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (KhJh8)
Bridge, crossed. Also, troubling to hear such enthusiasm for WWII style broad military tactics. You folks realize our politicized DHS/military brass considers "right wing extremism" a bigger threat that than foreign Islamic terror, right?
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (zWTYO)
If you're going after it take it or blow it away.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
Good God you are really stupid.
Hiroshima was the location of the headquarters for the 2nd General Army. The port of the city was the Army Marine Headquarters. It was a completely legitimate military target.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (z/Ubi)
respond when someone knocked off your glasses and took your backpack?
You amp it up to eleventy and give them everything you have.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:26 PM (KcI5m)
Which is "might makes right". Which is the essence of dictatorship. Thank you for proving my point.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (gXKl3)
If a law is not applied equally to all it is not just.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
You just went full troll. Never go full troll.
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at September 15, 2016 07:29 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 15, 2016 07:29 PM (czLDv)
[...]
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2016 06:57 PM (587aW)
***************
Thanks honey. I know you think you are helping but this is just --*off*.
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 07:29 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM (gXKl3)
you are not very smart, aren't you - self defense vs deliberate inhalation are not the same... you should stick to cooking
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:29 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (oqMTy)
Good God you are really stupid.
Posted by: buzzion
"Am I supposed to let those comments go unchallenged?"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (kdS6q)
Ace has been using his new form of "shall not" combined with "shan't" on his Twitter feed for a few days now.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (LdMbv)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (Sfs6o)
Now we are somehow talking about the merits of total war, vs nuanced slap fighting.
We need armored mutant giant spiders as part of our Special Forces, to bite the heads off those Jihadi fucks.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (d6TTt)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (gXKl3)
Heh. The view from the ashram, man.
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (8ZskC)
I put a color laser printout of Hope Solo's browneye over my camera.
Posted by: Fritz at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (wOc4Q)
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (8ZskC)
And to be honest, yeah I actually am conflicted by Hiroshima, whether
that was the best way to demonstrate a nuclear weapon to the Japanese.
I
think it was of course better to save American lives in order to
demonstrate it, but I don't know if it was necessary to level a city in
order to do it.
Nagasaki is a little more defensible, because it was dropped on an industrial center, not in the middle of the town.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:11 PM (gXKl3)
Guess who ain't conflicted?
Hint: The motherfuckers on the receiving end of the nukes.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (PjWy4)
Genocide isn't war, but thanks for the opportunity to instruct you.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (oqMTy)
It's not? Why isn't it a legitimate military tactic in time of war?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (gXKl3)
Bingo. Hope's Einstein-Rose Bridge to ecstasy awaits you.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (DW+jj)
Posted by: Bob at the NSA at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: lindafell de spair- deplorable, uneducated, racist, misogynist, redneck in TEXIT!! at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (zWTYO)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
chemjeff, comments 350 & 356 say it all.
Do you understand that not everyone shares your Brattleboro, VT values and worldview? It's call diversity.
Posted by: seal with a cleft palate at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (oqMTy)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (x3uSY)
*Any* law?
If a particular murderer is not prosecuted, let's say for corrupt reasons, does that mean laws against murder are no longer just?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (d6TTt)
I think armored mutant giant pigs would strike more fear in this case.
Posted by: Bete at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (F9322)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (gXKl3)
*****
So, defending yourself is now dictatorship? Good Lord Perfesser, work on both your history and your reading comprehension.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (x3uSY)
We almost certainly saved countless Japanese lives by moving decisively and devastatingly, both in what would have been a bloody resistance to the invasions by the USA and the Soviets the likely follow-on communist vs non-communist struggle.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (fgOnp)
Now you're talking. Wipe 'em out.
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (8n0ul)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:28 PM (gXKl3)
Uh..... you will note he was fighting in self defense... after the attack?
Or are you just not in favor of EVER fighting?
Posted by: Don Q., who had a direct ancestor at Valley Forge at September 15, 2016 07:33 PM (qf6WZ)
disagree with are dumber than you. If you haven't seriously considered
the possibility that you're wrong, you're almost certainly wrong.
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (zWTYO)
they are judged by the merit of their arguments, stupid is stupid
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:33 PM (c6/9Q)
I went off to bed one night, about this time, watched a couple shows, a movie, slept, got up at 5 am and he was still at it . Rather OCD behavior, at minimum.
Posted by: George Will at September 15, 2016 07:33 PM (ZFUt7)
Riyadh and Jalalabad orDjakarta would be much more effective.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 15, 2016 07:34 PM (czLDv)
reasons, does that mean laws against murder are no longer just?<<<
Yes.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:34 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (gXKl3)
No, but it does mean the system itself is unjust....
and may need to be torn down and rebuilt.
Posted by: Don Q., who had a direct ancestor at Valley Forge at September 15, 2016 07:34 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
We know it was necessary because it took TWO levelings of a city to get them to surrender, and even then there was a great deal of resistance within the regime to surrendering.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (iIzG7)
Don't forget the salt and pepper!
................
Sliced up hot dogs might be a nice touch, or maybe some diced Spam.
Posted by: wth at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (HgMAr)
War isn't.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (C9pBZ)
This cat gets it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (fiGNd)
It was not necessary to inflict that level of damage on a city filled with civilians, no, in order to demonstrate its power.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
It was the hq city for a large army group, it had multiple military supply depots ,an extensive rail network and a harbor.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (lKyWE)
Pshaw. Benthamist utilitarian drivel.
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:30 PM (oqMTy)
Who the hell is advocating that? Japan exists today, right, and is filled with Japanese.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2016 07:35 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:27 PM
Carthaginians whine about their best. Romans go home and fvck the prom queen.
Posted by: Dumcanthrax at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (TD9KB)
Uh..... you will note he was fighting in self defense... after the attack?
Or are you just not in favor of EVER fighting?
Posted by: Don Q., who had a direct ancestor at Valley Forge at September 15, 2016 07:33 PM (qf6WZ)
Um, not exactly. Here is the scenario:
Someone hits me.
I hit back.
But then they hit back harder.
So this ends, until... when? Until the strongest guy survives.
And this is seriously being contemplated as a legitimate governance strategy. Which is no different than outright dictatorship.
At some point, in the context of governance, instead of hitting back, someone must call the police (i.e. enforce the rules) and let a court of law settle the matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (gXKl3)
If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure that if TPTB really think Trump is going to win they will kill him.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: incorrigible runner at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (c6/9Q)
Maybe see y'all on the ONT.
Kepple being you, chem. That isn't snark - you know I love ya.
Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (KihF+)
If he just comments the couple of times in a thread, then it's easy to ignore. And if he retaliates by, say, quadrupling his number of b.s. comments trying to provoke a response (maybe call it the Nuclear Option?), then Ace will probably ban his ass.
Win-win.
[sideshowbob] By the way, I'm aware of the irony of appearing on TV in order to decry it, so don't bother pointing that out. [/sideshowbob]
Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (LdMbv)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (oqMTy)
Posted by: chemjeff
________
Was anyone dismayed by the revelation that the rule of law is a conservative principle? I used to think that our side and their side were separated by profound differences of opinion but both sides subscribed to rule of law.
But when neither side wants it, we're done. We'll no longer be factions - we'll be gangs. They'll have the media and the schools and the courts, and our side will have guns - some of them, anyway. And then what?
Bartertown at least had rules.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2016 07:37 PM (jJ6Ws)
-------------------
Would killing all strawmen be considered genocide?
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 07:37 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:37 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:38 PM (xpJpI)
Someone hits me.
I hit back.
But then they hit back harder.
So this ends, until... when? Until the strongest guy survives.
And this is seriously being contemplated as a legitimate governance strategy. Which is no different than outright dictatorship.
At some point, in the context of governance, instead of hitting back, someone must call the police (i.e. enforce the rules) and let a court of law settle the matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (gXKl3)
****
Wow. You must have taken a ton of shit when you were a kid. With no response.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:38 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:38 PM (+eR2D)
It's basically just throwing away the Constitution and all rules and just settling it all with civil war. This is what the HQ has really come to, hasn't it?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:38 PM (gXKl3)
Do y'all watch ChemJeff ? I mean, really watch him ?
This is crux of everything he says, and more importantly, everything he fears.
He's not the only one like this. Ponder this.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (fiGNd)
We almost certainly saved countless Japanese lives by moving decisively and devastatingly, both in what would have been a bloody resistance to the invasions by the USA and the Soviets the likely follow-on communist vs non-communist struggle.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:32 PM (fgOnp)
That's what I've always said. Forget about American casualties in an invasion. Using the atomic bombs saved literally MILLIONS of Japanese lives.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (fi5nC)
Chedude advocates a never ending "response".
Which, of course, leads to more death.
He's advocating death.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (oqMTy)
Ol' Red, that Okinawa vet I've mentioned would've been one of the grunts in such an invasion. The mere suggestion that the A-bomb was bad would result in him beating the shit out of whoever said it.
And beating the shit of people was something he was exceptionally good at.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (DW+jj)
Obama was able to easily move the levers of government to violate the rights of citizens with impunity.
That's the very definition of tyranny. The available remedies have proved insufficient to the task of rectifying the problem.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (BS8yt)
Not fucking cool ...
Posted by: Bob at the NSA at September 15, 2016 07:31 PM (fiGNd)
..............
I don't know, we kind of dug it.
Posted by: Samsung Tech Support at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (Sfs6o)
The fucking Jesuits would love this shit. Most people don't.
Adios Horde.
Manana.
Posted by: tubal at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (d6TTt)
Yes.
You should probably fuck off forever from such a terrible place.
Posted by: reason.com at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (CDiPl)
I hit back.
But then they hit back harder.
So this ends, until... when? Until the strongest guy survives.
And this is seriously being contemplated as a legitimate governance strategy.
It beats a watery tart lyin' in ponds distributin' swords.
Posted by: Dennis at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (8ZskC)
Every fucking time on an immigration thread.
It's like he's personally invested in selling young Central American girls to fellow professors as sex slaves.
Posted by: Golfman at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 07:37 PM
#strawmanlivesmatter
Posted by: Dumcanthrax at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (+eR2D)
Neo Nazi implications do Gove one a ravenous appetite for dinner.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:41 PM (xpJpI)
Do you think government ought to be "rule of the strongest"?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:41 PM (gXKl3)
Uh... no... because that is NOT the situation...
If someone hits me... and I hit back... because I am both Ret. Military and have studied for years... one of us is not getting back up.
If I call the Cops? Here? Average response time of 30 minutes? He beat me, stole my shit and raped my girlfriend before they even get here.
You are just outsourcing your violence to the State... letting THEM be violent for you.... IF they get there in time.
Then, because he's an Illegal Alien, he gets out on bail and skips back to Mexico.... or Central America... or wherever...
Its not a dictatorship... its not rule of the strong.... its Survival....
Posted by: Don Q., who had a direct ancestor at Valley Forge at September 15, 2016 07:42 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 07:42 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:38 PM (gXKl3)
*****
Out here, outside of your academic bubble, this has already happened. Hence the responses. Come join us outside of your comfy little world which allows you to spout such lofty platitudes.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:42 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 15, 2016 07:36 PM (+eR2D)
Neo Nazi implications do Gove one a ravenous appetite for dinner.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:41 PM (xpJpI)
Give. Sorry I have a rubber ball gag strapped in my mouth.
Because Anarchy and Dictatorship.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:42 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: chemjeff
________
Who? Who? Dammit
who o the American political stage is going to "enforce the rulebook"? Name names.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:43 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:39 PM (sdi6R)
Also, we killed more people fire-bombing Tokyo.
Is it somehow more moral to achieve a worse loss of life with 100 B-29s dropping incendiary bombs than with one B-29 dropping Fat Man?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:43 PM (fgOnp)
I'm pretty sure, as a society, we're going to a place where I don't have to give a shit about your opinion.
Because the Rule of Law is breaking down ... and I'm a hell of a lot stronger than you.
And that's your fear.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:45 PM (fiGNd)
Yes, actually. That is the one big selling point of having a state in the first place. That we have the entity with a monopoly on the legal use of violence, but restricted to only do so under collectively agreed upon rules (i.e., the Fourth Amendment). Otherwise, the result is anarchy. Would that be preferable?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:45 PM (gXKl3)
Every fucking time on an immigration thread.
It's like he's personally invested in selling young Central American girls to fellow professors as sex slaves.
Posted by: Golfman at September 15, 2016 07:40 PM (48QDY)
Go on.....
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:46 PM (xpJpI)
Sophistry.
Total trolling.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2016 07:46 PM (PjWy4)
Well yes, it is one of my fears. Both the strong and the weak are entitled to protection of their rights. Do you not agree?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:46 PM (gXKl3)
Out in the street, huh bro? You and Hannity punching through the face of George Will until we're no longer 20T in debt with another 100T in unfunded liabilities. All it takes is a brown belt, the most luxurious president ever, and nuking Tehran. America!
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 07:46 PM (zWTYO)
that's a weird word.
Usually only old people lose the intrinsic factor in their gut that helps them absorb B12--yet--Ace says he's only 29.
I think we are being lied to folks!
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 07:47 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2016 07:47 PM (jJ6Ws)
No it wasn't. States precede police departments by thousands of years.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:47 PM (x3uSY)
The online forums he's organized, the leaflets he's printed, the rallies he's held.
Sounds like a lot of real, actual work, but that's obviously right up his alley!
Posted by: yak yak yak at September 15, 2016 07:47 PM (CDiPl)
It's basically just throwing away the Constitution and all rules and just settling it all with civil war. This is what the HQ has really come to, hasn't it?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:38 PM (gXKl3)
When half of the population is trying to ram Communism down the other half's throats, civil war is inevitable. Then the only question is winning or losing.
I said that the night Obama was elected. I don't think I was posting here at the time.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 07:46 PM (zWTYO)
*****
whut?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (KcI5m)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:45 PM (gXKl3
You are a cutie pie thinking we give a shit about The Contitution.
Call us.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:45 PM (gXKl3)
Uh... no we never signed away our right to defend ourselves... 2nd amendment....
What you are saying is that the Founding Fathers, when they rebelled, were wrong...
Sorry, as I side with them.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:49 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 07:50 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 07:47 PM (x3uSY)
States have had the monopoly on the legal use of violence before the advent of modern police departments, yes. I am thinking more in the modern context.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:50 PM (gXKl3)
Nope.
Because the Rule of Law is breaking down ... and I'm a hell of a lot stronger than you.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:50 PM (fiGNd)
Chemjeff, reads some Kratman on reprisal. It's all legal by the laws we have.
Look, and I know this is a "personal attack" but I'm quite sick of it at this point. There is a reality to this world that ivory-tower types cannot accept. All I see are strawmen being put up, you living in a hypothetical "assume the cow is a sphere" world. Reality is cruel, hard, and most importantly doesn't give one hoot about your theories. You keep tending your circles, sir, don't mind the spatha.
Posted by: GeoSTI at September 15, 2016 07:50 PM (bINLa)
Call us.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (xpJpI)
No I don't think you all care about the Constitution very much. But I would hope we wouldn't have hordes of people on the right willing to throw it away either.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:51 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:50 PM (fiGNd)
So you're basically a wanna-be totalitarian yourself. Got it.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:51 PM (gXKl3)
But the problem we are faced with is that the gang in control of our government does not collectively agree with us on the Rule of Law.
Chemjeff, to digress slightly, did you think the Patriot side in the American Revolution was justified in the violence they resorted to?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:52 PM (fgOnp)
********************
Jeezuz--is 4Chan leaking?
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 07:52 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:51 PM (gXKl3)
****
Reading comprehension. You ain't gots it, Perfesser. Hint, check the Nic you responded to.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, Deplorable and Irredeemable at September 15, 2016 07:52 PM (KcI5m)
If you do some research you can see very clearly that there was absolutely no will among the senior Japanese leadership for surrender until the atomic bombs in fact an allied invasion was seen as a way of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat which would've cost far more Japanese casualties and likely ended up with my grandfather being killed along with hundreds of thousands of Americans.
The bombs were a god send.
Posted by: Keith at September 15, 2016 07:52 PM (l4pKp)
Posted by: josephistan at September 15, 2016 07:37 PM (7qAYi)
The destruction of strawmen in defense of an agenda is not a crime.
Unless a Republican does it, then it's the most horrible thing ever
Posted by: The Won at September 15, 2016 07:53 PM (F9322)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:55 PM (BS8yt)
No, I don't frequent 4-chan. I just have the text of the Hague Convention up and it has a fascinating bit on "reprisal."
Seriously, look up Tom Kratman, (LTC, ret.). He is one of those legal types and can explain in far more detail than I.
Posted by: GeoSTI at September 15, 2016 07:56 PM (bINLa)
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at September 15, 2016 07:56 PM (A5STV)
Sooo... by this thread.... it would seem you believe the Founding Fathers were wrong ...
They should have let the British take their guns at Breed's Hill...
After all... the Government has a monopoly on violence, otherwise... dictatorship!
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:56 PM (qf6WZ)
Patriot side in the American Revolution was justified in the violence
they resorted to?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:52 PM (fgOnp)
To an extent, yes. Why do you ask?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:57 PM (gXKl3)
Sooo... by this thread.... it would seem you believe the Founding Fathers were wrong ...
They should have let the British take their guns at Breed's Hill...
After all... the Government has a monopoly on violence, otherwise... dictatorship!
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:56 PM (qf6WZ)
They were wrong in a legal sense, yes. Not in a moral sense.
But they also formally renounced their claims at citizenship and started a war of independence from their oppressive government.
Do you really think that this is where we are at in this country?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:58 PM (gXKl3)
By that I mean hold Obama to account for his tyranny and Clinton to account for her various crimes.
Name names.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:59 PM (BS8yt)
To an extent, yes. Why do you ask?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:57 PM (gXKl3)
Wondering where you draw the line.
What acts in particular by the King's ministers/Parliament in your view justified the violence of the Americans?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:59 PM (fgOnp)
In all fairness ... Chem ain't the only one.
At the end of the day - there are a shit-pot of folks shitting their pantalones - including some longtime folks here - at the notion of civil unrest. Empty store shelves. Blackouts. Defending themselves.
They'll say or do anything to prevent that. And endure anything.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:59 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 07:59 PM (fiGNd)
So big bad Internet Warrior here is going to be Rambo in the next Second American Revolution?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:00 PM (gXKl3)
No they didn't. The Roman Republic did not have cops. If your neighbor came and burnt your crops and stole your land you could go court and get a judgement against him, but it was up to you to enforce that judgement. And you would be legally entitled to burn him out or kill him to retrieve your stuff. Ditto for other crimes. The only time the magistrates would detail troops to deal with a crime was if it was a crime against the state.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 08:01 PM (x3uSY)
Tell us again about all the work you've done to destroy the two-party system.
Posted by: speaking of Big Talk at September 15, 2016 08:01 PM (CDiPl)
No, I don't frequent 4-chan. I just have the text of the Hague Convention up and it has a fascinating bit on "reprisal."
Seriously, look up Tom Kratman, (LTC, ret.). He is one of those legal types and can explain in far more detail than I.
Posted by: GeoSTI at September 15, 2016 07:56 PM (bINLa)
*****************
Look I know the definition of genocide--I'm wondering if you have a handle on it?
You can borrow authority from an O-5 all day but do you have a quote where he or any international law scholar says "genocide is legal".
Again--you might not know the definition-- exactly of genocide--but words matter--especially in law.
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 08:01 PM (fi5nC)
Do you really think that this is where we are at in this country?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:58 PM (gXKl3)
Go read the Declaration of Independence... and think of todays situation.
Almost every reason they had for rebelling, is now being put on us by our 'own' Government.
If you read history, you will note that only about 1/3 of the people in the Colonies actually wanted to rebel... 1/3 were Tories... and 1/3 just wanted to keep their heads down...
We are nearing those percentages.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 08:02 PM (qf6WZ)
What acts in particular by the King's ministers/Parliament in your view justified the violence of the Americans?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 07:59 PM (fgOnp)
Honestly? None of it. It didn't matter though. The colonists has the right to declare independence for any reason, or for no reason at all. But, they openly rebelled and called it such. They knew that if they lost, that they would be judged according to British law. They never said "oh, the British law doesn't apply to us as British citizens, because King George is such a meanie". More importantly, they didn't want to establish a government that was based on "might makes right" which is what people here are advocating.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:03 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 07:55 PM (BS8yt)
Well, when states get to define what "legal" means...
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 08:03 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff
________
Third American Revolution.
Jeez, chemjeff, do you want this thread to turn into an argument about whether it was Northern Aggression or Southern Treachery?
(Speaking of which, that episode didn't go well.)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2016 08:04 PM (jJ6Ws)
Be glad to show you some basic preps ... but it would be a waste of time. Yours and mine.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:04 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 08:06 PM (x3uSY)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:04 PM (fiGNd)
I have little respect for people who believes a just government is one in which the strong dominate the weak.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:06 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:06 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:00 PM (gXKl3)
I've already put my life on the line for this country...
I served in a bunch of shitholes... lost friends... hell... was off at war when my children were born...
This is not just an academic discussion for some of us.
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 08:07 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:07 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 08:08 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:06 PM (gXKl3)
And yet you are the one who says we do not have the basic RIGHT to defend ourselves.
That we must leave that to the State.
So I guess you only believe in 'some' rights...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 08:09 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 08:07 PM (qf6WZ)
Look. There may be another revolution or civil war or what have you.
But that is different than actively ADVOCATING for one, as some here seem to be doing. They WANT lawless government in which the end result is war, anarchy and despotism. Has Barry been lawless? Yes, in a lot of ways. We shouldn't be trying to emulate that. But some do. The end result of that is a war that no one should actually want.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:09 PM (gXKl3)
I never claimed that at all. I believe very much in the right of self-defense.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:09 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 08:09 PM (zWTYO)
Don't care Chem. And that's what pisses you off most. I know.
You're going to learn, one way or the other, that laws don't control rough men. Rough men uphold laws.
You "could" learn it the easy way. But I suspect you'll learn it hard.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:10 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
________
Now we're talking!
How about Jeff Davis?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2016 08:10 PM (jJ6Ws)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 08:11 PM (x3uSY)
So the whole "rule of law" thing doesn't mean much to you, either, just like Barry.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:11 PM (gXKl3)
Nope, you just said a proper state had a MONOPOLY on violence.
Posted by: would you like a dictionary? at September 15, 2016 08:11 PM (CDiPl)
Would Lincoln have used the atomic bomb?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
________
Now we're talking!
How about Jeff Davis?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2016 08:10 PM (jJ6Ws)
That is an interesting question, actually.
I don't think Lincoln would have. He still thought of Confederates as fellow citizens.
Jeff Davis? I don't know.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:12 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 08:12 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:12 PM (BS8yt)
I believe very much in the right of self-defense.
Nope, you just said a proper state had a MONOPOLY on violence.
Posted by: would you like a dictionary? at September 15, 2016 08:11 PM (CDiPl)
I said "monopoly on the LEGAL use of violence", actually.
Would you like to re-read what I wrote?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:13 PM (gXKl3)
But that is different than actively ADVOCATING for one, as some here seem to be doing. They WANT lawless government in which the end result is war, anarchy and despotism.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:09 PM (gXKl3)
Who exactly here is advocating that?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 08:13 PM (sdi6R)
I lost your train of thought with this. The American colonies were a part of the British empire and were British subjects. They had the right to remove themselves from British government for no reason at all? What about the 'collective agreement' among the British subjects embodied in the British constitution (magna carta, bill of rights from the glorious revolution, etc) and system of government? Certainly the American revolutionaries did not believe they had the right for no reason at all, and to the contrary said much abuse must be withstood before that right arises.
Are you of the view that, say, Texas has the right to declare independence from the United States for no reason at all today?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 08:13 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 08:14 PM (zWTYO)
I'm asking who will enforce the law because I'd really like to know.
Everybody agrees the law needs to be enforced, the question is what
individuals can we put in place to make that occur? So who?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:12 PM (BS8yt)
All I'm saying is, if you are advocating for a Republican version of Obama, then the Rule of Law truly will end.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:14 PM (gXKl3)
You're repetitive if nothing else. And irritating.
But honestly - if you're that bored - give me a bit. I gotta' make a beer run, supervise some homework, and wash a dish or two.
But I'll chat back and forth with ya'. Seems like that's what you want. It'll all be the same - but if it's good for you it's good for me.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:14 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:45 PM (gXKl3)
Uh... no we never signed away our right to defend ourselves... 2nd amendment....
What you are saying is that the Founding Fathers, when they rebelled, were wrong...
SorrPosted by: Don Q. at September 15, 2016 07:48 PM (qf6WZ) y, as I side with them.
Exactly, the US Constitution was so revolutionary as it restrained the State's monopoly of violence. It allowed freemen the right to exercise violence, as necessary for the defense of a Free State. By the by, 30 years as a Marine, multiple combat deployments and I know that we as a Nation have absolutely zero concept of how to actually fight and win a war.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at September 15, 2016 08:14 PM (7N6ox)
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 08:13 PM (sdi6R)
The people using the "bar fight" analogy for government.
Democrats hit Republicans, so Republicans should hit Democrats back harder. Regardless of the rules. So Democrats hit back even harder. The end result is rule of the strongest.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:15 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: would you like to make sense? at September 15, 2016 08:15 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at September 15, 2016 08:16 PM (RO6kX)
It means so much to you, you're prepared to do ... nothing.
Posted by: a solid plan at September 15, 2016 08:17 PM (CDiPl)
All men are created equal--unless they are rough men--then they can just take stuff--from everyone else.
Aaarrrgh!
Now if some guy from the ghetto muscles you oughta your stuff.
Pfffttt--quit whining pussy!
Posted by: Donald Trump tells it like it IS at September 15, 2016 08:17 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 08:13 PM (fgOnp)
Yeah, basically. You can declare yourself free from the government that holds jurisdiction over you, but you had better be "in it to win it". If not, then government wins and gets to enforce its law against you.
Texas can secede tomorrow if they wish. But if they lose in their fight, they will justly be punished for losing.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:17 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:14 PM (gXKl3)
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And I'm saying it requires specific individuals to enforce the law, so who? Just tell me.
Everybody agrees the law needs to be enforced, who is going to hold Obama and Clinton acccountable?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:18 PM (BS8yt)
I thought might didn't make right?
Posted by: a solid pretzel at September 15, 2016 08:21 PM (CDiPl)
I said "monopoly on the LEGAL use of violence", actually.
So self-defense is illegal?
It CAN be. Depends on if the self-defense was proportionate or not. It is not automatically legal. The legality of any particular act of self-defense is adjudicated by... the government, in the form of courts of law. Unlike the police at, say, a DUI checkpoint - they have the legal power to force me to stop and take a breathalyzer test, and if I refuse, to use violence against me. They have to follow agreed-upon rules ahead of time in establishing their DUI checkpoints, but each specific stop is not individually adjudicated. Get it, Mr. Snark Man?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:21 PM (gXKl3)
Texas can secede tomorrow if they wish. But if they lose in their fight, they will justly be punished for losing.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:17 PM (gXKl3)
The question to you was concerned with right or justification, not power.
China has the power to take and hold Tibet. That is not the same question as to whether they had the right or justification in doing so.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 08:21 PM (fgOnp)
Texas can secede tomorrow if they wish. But if they lose in their fight, they will justly be punished for losing.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:17 PM (gXKl3)
So "might makes right" after all?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 08:21 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: a solid retraction at September 15, 2016 08:23 PM (CDiPl)
It does as long as Chem can contract it out. He's good with that.
Just not a "Do It Yourself" guy.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:23 PM (fiGNd)
I thought might didn't make right?
Posted by: a solid pretzel at September 15, 2016 08:21 PM (CDiPl)
It doesn't. The "rightness" part is not due to sheer might, but due to the multiple violations of law that citizens of Texas would be engaging in should they attempt to secede and fail to do so.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:23 PM (gXKl3)
Heh, I'm sure this has been covered.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 08:24 PM (x3uSY)
Johnny Depp
Matt Damon
Gwyneth Paltrow
That dude from Soul Asylum?
HR Pufnstuf
Witchie Poo
Unfortunately at this time our explosive capability is homemade napalm, pipe bombs, and Mentos.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 15, 2016 08:24 PM (+b2T3)
engaging in should they attempt to secede and fail to do so.<<<
But if they are "mighty" enough to win, it is all good?
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at September 15, 2016 08:26 PM (x3uSY)
Any of your assertions you care to revise, superstar?
Posted by: a solid retraction at September 15, 2016 08:23 PM (CDiPl)
If you must pick nits:
The state has a monopoly on the a priori legal use of violence.
Better?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:26 PM (gXKl3)
Did you see her in Stranger Things ?
Well ... that's a stupid question. Of course you did.
She's aging well. Got a Patricia Heaton thing going on. They made both of them down for those shows - but they're both still real pretty.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:26 PM (fiGNd)
Fucking hilarious from the world-champion semantic hair-splitter.
If you're going to be a tedious little douchebag, how about you try to be precise yourself.
Posted by: or just fuck off at September 15, 2016 08:29 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:29 PM (gXKl3)
Do you even english, bra?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 15, 2016 08:31 PM (pUDQf)
So your whole little tedious argument was just because I didn't include "a priori" in my description? You had to spend 10 comments to do that? WTF dude?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:31 PM (gXKl3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:26 PM (gXKl3)
Maybe I am beginning to understand your political theory.
You are a radical moral relativist, am I right? You do not believe there is any absolute moral/metaphysical frame of reference that applies to human societies, so any talk of what is 'right' or 'good' or 'justified' is meaningless?
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 08:32 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:32 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:33 PM (fiGNd)
I'm particularly interested in those who will enforce the law against the tyranny and malfeasance of Obama and Clinton.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:33 PM (BS8yt)
Right, YOU'RE shocked someone would go on and on over a single point.
Welcome to what the rest of us read when you post here. Is it a lot of fun?
Posted by: a mirror at September 15, 2016 08:34 PM (CDiPl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2016 08:08 PM (IqV8l)
Not a question of if But
Number of nukes=x
Number of targets =y
Nukes per target pi (x)^2
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:34 PM (xpJpI)
I'm particularly interested in those who will enforce the law against the tyranny and malfeasance of Obama and Clinton.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:33 PM (BS8yt)
Not only that, but who exactly is enforcing election laws?
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 08:35 PM (sdi6R)
Aging well is an underrated and underappreciated quality. Sadly it increases the risk that some future retirement home will endure the elderly BSSC (Banana Splits Senior Citizen) holding off staff with his walker when they try to take the remote from him for pausing the DVD and licking the screen.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 15, 2016 08:36 PM (+b2T3)
Right, YOU'RE shocked someone would go on and on over a single point.
Welcome to what the rest of us read when you post here. Is it a lot of fun?
Posted by: a mirror at September 15, 2016 08:34 PM (CDiPl)
LOLOLOLOLLOL!!!!
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:36 PM (xpJpI)
Now you are just trying to justify your own crap. I do not pull the type of crap that you do.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:37 PM (gXKl3)
How are those BREASTICLES looking?
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:38 PM (xpJpI)
Listen your argument that all we need to do to fight the lawlessness of
the left is to enforce the law. My own ability to see that done is
thru the ballot box, so what particular individuals on the American
political scene will enforce the law?
I'm particularly interested in those who will enforce the law against the tyranny and malfeasance of Obama and Clinton.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:33 PM (BS8yt)
In this current election? I think our prospects are dim.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:38 PM (gXKl3)
Chem !!! Focus on me !!! Concentrate !!!
Teach me why I'm wrong. In long, expansive arguments.
On this thread.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:39 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:04 PM (fiGNd)
I have little respect for people who believes a just government is one in which the strong dominate the weak.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:06 PM (gXKl3)
But you favor open borders and believe illegal aliens are not criminals.
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:40 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2016 08:40 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:38 PM (xpJpI)
Mouthwateringly delicious. But I don't stare! I maintain eye contact!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 15, 2016 08:40 PM (+b2T3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:38 PM (gXKl3)
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Dim is not extinguished, so who? Be responsive.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:41 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:40 PM (xpJpI)
Lie, and lie.
At least be honest about my positions instead of putting words in my mouth.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:43 PM (gXKl3)
Rhetorical Question ... If you and I go to a MoMee ... and Patricia Heaton and Wynona Rider walk into the bar ...
... can we get a group rate on legal representation ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:43 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 15, 2016 08:44 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:41 PM (BS8yt)
When it comes to actually enforcing the law overall, I think Gary Johnson is probably the best bet. He's not perfect, but out of the four candidates, I think he is better.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:45 PM (gXKl3)
We would double our odds!!
WINONA RIDERS Preliminary Battle Flag Design: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2uiy6qd&s=9
Please contact me for merchandising details, all proceeds go to Winona seduction.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 15, 2016 08:51 PM (+b2T3)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:45 PM (gXKl3)
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So Gary Johnson is my "best bet" to see Obama and Clinton to be held account for their tyranny and malfeasance. I'll check his positions thanks.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:53 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2016 08:53 PM (BS8yt)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 07:25 PM (gXKl3)
******
We warned the civilians to leave for weeks ahead of time.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 15, 2016 09:04 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 15, 2016 09:04 PM (09Ay7)
"I said "monopoly on the LEGAL use of violence", actually."
"The legality of any particular act of self-defense is adjudicated by... the government, in the form of courts of law."
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Your argument is circular and does seem to reduce to a "might makes right" proposition.
When you say "The state has a monopoly on the a priori legal use of violence," if you are referring to power, then that is not necessarily true.
For example, the state of Syria does not in fact enjoy the power to exercise a monopoly over legal use of violence in places where ISIS or other militias enforce their own law. Yet Syria considers its state to extend to these places.
If you are referring to 'right', that government has the right to exercise a monopoly on legal force, doesn't that depend on whether the particular government is not contravening a higher moral law? See, e.g, the Nazi government.
If not, then when you claim that the government itself is the final adjudicator of the legality of its actions, you are asserting that "might" is what makes its "right" to assert a monopoly on legal violence.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at September 15, 2016 09:07 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: Grump928(C) collects aphorisms, witticisms and sports metaphors at September 15, 2016 09:07 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 15, 2016 09:04 PM (09Ay7)
*facepalm*
The word "libertarian" has lost all meaning, I take it.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at September 15, 2016 09:08 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 08:40 PM (xpJpI)
Lie, and lie.
At least be honest about my positions instead of putting words in my mouth.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2016 08:43 PM (gXKl3)
Then all illegal aliens should not be allowed to stay in the country. Yes?
Posted by: Barak and The Totalitarians at September 15, 2016 09:08 PM (xpJpI)
Posted by: ryukyu at September 15, 2016 09:08 PM (5hp5+)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 15, 2016 09:12 PM (e8kgV)
Also the left would never do that for you.
Fire back ten times as hard. Like muzzies, force is all the leftists understand.
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable at September 15, 2016 09:12 PM (6N+OU)
Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable at September 15, 2016 09:13 PM (6N+OU)
Posted by: Simplemind at September 15, 2016 09:17 PM (1/dEZ)
Posted by: Simplemind at September 15, 2016 09:17 PM (1/dEZ)
It is that way under any totalitarian ideology/system...but you don't really notice when you are mixing sawdust into your wheat to make the bread more filling.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at September 15, 2016 09:21 PM (7N6ox)
***Yeah, there is no way to work out a combination "libertarian" and "warmist." None. I think "libertarian" just means pothead now.
I also think they should just run on that. I bet "pothead party" would get more votes anyway. They'd also not be responsible for remembering anything they'd said before.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 15, 2016 09:29 PM (09Ay7)
I maintain that he is ludicrously awful, illiberal and illibertarian to near comical extremes, except when it comes to a good burn. He is probably doped out of his mind as I write this. And yet... and yet... if we're talking about the survival of the Republic for 4 more short years... meh, we could do worse.
Posted by: m-zero-x at September 15, 2016 09:31 PM (zWTYO)
These are the things America needs!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 15, 2016 09:38 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Callawyn at September 15, 2016 09:40 PM (GOoUs)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at September 15, 2016 09:41 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: gNewt....forever censored at September 15, 2016 09:57 PM (QMphW)
For this wall, we pay gladly.
Sincerely,
Posted by: Mexico at September 15, 2016 09:59 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 15, 2016 10:03 PM (e8kgV)
And everything the Administration says about numbers, policies, deporting criminals, even the words themselves--are all lies. Pure 100% bald-faced lies, manipulations, head-fakes, word-games and fiction. Everything.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 15, 2016 10:20 PM (Ndje9)
Well, one of them is 10x longer than the other. Plus, the South Koreans are responsible for part of it.
I'll grant that it's a different problem to prevent lightly armed individuals from crossing a border than heavily armed formed units. I don't think it is a 10x easier problem.
Posted by: Richard Cranium at September 15, 2016 10:36 PM (w0U7L)
Posted by: James at September 15, 2016 11:14 PM (jxw6R)
Posted by: hurricane567 at September 16, 2016 12:25 AM (Xc4GD)
That bacon is not going to make itself.
Posted by: somejoe at September 16, 2016 01:57 AM (+d3t8)
Posted by: firefirefire at September 16, 2016 03:03 AM (of67s)
Republicans and conservatives think that the left are "just like us, with a slightly different opinion" and that they are "decent" and "patriotic."
No. Emphatically no. They are Maoists and Stalinists and they do not play fair; they cheat, lie and obfuscate on every single matter, while demanding that their opponents maintain their high standards and decorum. And if you're a conservative or a Republican you have been losing for 100 years, largely because you ONLY engage politely, always according to principle, never ever to get dirty or sullied.
That time is over. The left is NOT friendly to America, they want it destroyed. They would put you and your family in camps in a heartbeat if they thought for a second they could get away with it.
They are shrieking their loudest now because they are finally being opposed and bludgeoned by a people long tired of losing. The opposition is mounted only by the alt-rt and no one else. Charles the Hammer is alt-rt.
If you enjoy losing, try to encourage Mitt to get back into the race, because he smiles and is polite.
If you want to win, then get dirty. Use the left's same ugly tactics against them. It's called Magruder's Law of warfare. The only thing you must know is that yes, this is war, and it is Western Civilization at stake.
So don't feel bad for punching that loudmouth bulldyke square in the teeth if she ever is stupid enough to follow Obama's advice and "get in your face!"
Winning feels good. And it is your birthright.
Posted by: FredB at September 16, 2016 04:33 AM (Uq3m+)
Agree about no longer playing by one set of rules while Hillary & Co. play by another.
Posted by: Carmen at September 16, 2016 09:58 AM (RHjCR)
Seriously. Rachel Orol of Harvard admissions told a roomful of mostly poor people at the Exploring College Options event recently.
Harvard promises that families earning $60K or less will get a free ride for their child. And if an illegal alien gets in, too, well, that's one less spot you citizens.
That's Harvard's idea of patriotism.
Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at September 16, 2016 12:08 PM (ArQi2)
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