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Monday Moron Medical Monitoring, Session 7: Greetings From the DL
I was told over and over again that, especially at age 29, I really had to do mobilization exercises. Just 10-15 minutes per day -- work a different body part every day. Consider it pre-hab -- you know you're going to be injured; this is the way to avoid it.
And instead I did what I've always done when it comes to stretching: I almost completely ignored it. I'm doing some now. I'm mostly following Kelly Starett's program and his book, Becoming a Supple Leopard. The main point he makes is that any fault in position will lead, inevitably, to a fault in movement. Any fault in movement will lead, inevitably, to injury, as the wrong muscles are being over-used to compensate for the lack of activation of the proper muscles, and bones aren't properly aligned to be in their proper load-bearing position. An example of that was my crap shoulders, which are internally rotated (rolled forward). They're being pulled forward by my chest muscles; my mid-back muscles, which are supposed to counteract the chest muscle pull and keep the shoulders neutral, have gone to sleep and have atrophied. When you bench, you're supposed to put the ball of your upper arm deep into the socket joint to maximize your ability to load a weight; that puts the load onto a joint that can take it. (Coaches tell people to "bend the bar" or "break the bar" as a cue to get them to put external rotation into their arms -- imagine trying to bend the bar; naturally, the balls of your arms go deeper into the shoulder socket to do this.) If you don't have your ball in your socket, muscles and ligaments and tendons must compensate for what your joint is supposed to be doing; but they can't, so they fail, and you get injured. A similar thing must have happened with my hips, when I tweaked my back and pulled my pelvis out of position (it was rotated and stuck too forward on one side and backwards on the other -- and it was painful as heck). Anyway, now that I've suffered not one but two inevitable, completely-predictable injuries based on faults in beginning position (and therefore, faults in movement), I'm going to try to actually listen this time. I'd really recommend this book. It's loaded with photographs and shows you more clearly what the proper beginning, finishing, and transitioning positions are for most major exercises (lifts), and the most common faults. Rippetoe describes this in words, but a picture is worth a thousand words, and I find Starett's explanations more easily understood. He also goes for global explanations -- basically, the shoulder is the same joint as the hip, so most of the same principles (push the ball deep into the socket when loading weight, and you do that by externally rotating the limb) apply to various movements. Then the last part of the book has mobilization exercises for all the different parts of the body. I'm not really happy to be stuck in re-hab land but I guess I should have been working on fundamentals of position and movement all along so I'll keep at it. By the way: I read someone explaining posture and this brief suggestion made sense to me. When you stand, stand as tall and straight as possible, and imagine that your head is pulling up the rest of your body up into the air with it. I've been trying that. It feels right. Who knows, maybe it will work for you. The thing about posture-correction: It actually takes a fair amount of energy and neuromuscular control and you can only build a little endurance at standing or sitting properly at a time. No GAINZ nor LOZZ GAINZ on my end. As I haven't been working out, I've gained no muscle. I lost a pound but I figure that was mostly muscle. So tell me about YO GAINZ, BITCHEZComments
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Yeah, baby!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:14 PM (y0er3)
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Ha! First!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:15 PM (y0er3)
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Where's Mister Magoo?
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:15 PM (y0er3)
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hello
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:15 PM (Om16U)
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Using an excecise ball instead of a chair will help you develop and maintain good sitting posture.
Posted by: garrett at August 29, 2016 06:16 PM (0vI5X)
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Have not been able to keep up the workout schedule the past few weeks. Will get back to it during the coming week, hopefully.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:16 PM (WV3Yp)
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Even while rehabbing, Ace, you can strengthen your core.
Visit Plank City!
And do alternating planks too...right hand out with left leg back, and vice versa. Hold for 5 seconds initially. Build from there.
Visit Plank City!
And do alternating planks too...right hand out with left leg back, and vice versa. Hold for 5 seconds initially. Build from there.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:18 PM (y0er3)
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When I used to go to a gym, there would come a point, usually when most of my joints were aching, and attractive women were still ignoring me, when I asked myself " why the fuck am I paying money to feel miserable".
A Dark Night of the Soul moment, among the weights and exercise bikes.
A Dark Night of the Soul moment, among the weights and exercise bikes.
Posted by: tubal at August 29, 2016 06:20 PM (04gc+)
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The reaction has not been what I anticipated when last I discussed (and tried to show) my 'gainz', IYKWIM.
Posted by: Carlos Danger at August 29, 2016 06:20 PM (kwakj)
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My BEST purchase of 2016 was....
a Foam Roller.
When you use it right, it's almost like going to the chiropractor for an adjustment.
I'm pretty knotted up after decades of weight training and very little strecthing. This foam roller helps me knead my muskles all by myself. Little by little, I have become a lot looser.
My BEST purchase of 2016 was....
a Foam Roller.
When you use it right, it's almost like going to the chiropractor for an adjustment.
I'm pretty knotted up after decades of weight training and very little strecthing. This foam roller helps me knead my muskles all by myself. Little by little, I have become a lot looser.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:20 PM (XGqPs)
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My trainer told me that 30 crunches a day would help build my core and slim my waist.
After 30 days I had added two inches to my waist and gained 15 lbs.
Only then did he tell me that he didn't mean Nestlé Crunches™
After 30 days I had added two inches to my waist and gained 15 lbs.
Only then did he tell me that he didn't mean Nestlé Crunches™
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 29, 2016 06:21 PM (wPiJc)
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Ace, I have one word for your muscle pains: Arnica
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:21 PM (Om16U)
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There was an article in the Daily mail today that said sex is a pretty good exercise.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 29, 2016 06:21 PM (6Ll1u)
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Still doing IF, still loving it. Have stretched my fasting period to 18 hours now. No sweat. Added a third cup of butter coffee in the afternoon, about 4:30...helps me make it easily to the end of the eating cycle without snacking in between.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:22 PM (y0er3)
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Been stretching my ass muscle, lower back muscles and thigh/hammies to keep my ass/back from tightening up and causing my sciatica to act up. When I hear my lower back "pop" into place all is good. Just a few minutes 2 or 3 times a day.
Good for before and after a 2 mile run or before or after a gym session. Semi-yoga type stretches but they keep you limber and the pain away.
Search the internet for sciatic nerve stretches.
Good for before and after a 2 mile run or before or after a gym session. Semi-yoga type stretches but they keep you limber and the pain away.
Search the internet for sciatic nerve stretches.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 29, 2016 06:22 PM (ej1L0)
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It's really easy Ace. Make your job dependent on weighing in at designated height and weight twice a year. It is great motivation. And And And put a picture in your Employment record. Works like a charm.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 29, 2016 06:22 PM (zp+j1)
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a little weight loss info here
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/forget-boot-camps-try-new-8682860
because i'm a giver
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/forget-boot-camps-try-new-8682860
because i'm a giver
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 29, 2016 06:22 PM (GHdiF)
Posted by: Crossfit Addict at August 29, 2016 06:22 PM (Gbx3O)
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>>>My BEST purchase of 2016 was....
a Foam Roller.
When you use it right, it's almost like going to the chiropractor for an adjustment.
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yeah that's good stuff. Other things that i've been using are balls -- lacrosse, softball, tennis ball, child's size 3 soccer ball -- to rub and stick deep into my trigger spots in my mid back, on my shoulders, and, now, my lower back, ass, and hamstrings.
My hamstrings are really tight. I've been working them out a lot with the foam roller and different balls but there is this lump of thick, stiff muscle that just won't get loose.
a Foam Roller.
When you use it right, it's almost like going to the chiropractor for an adjustment.
...
yeah that's good stuff. Other things that i've been using are balls -- lacrosse, softball, tennis ball, child's size 3 soccer ball -- to rub and stick deep into my trigger spots in my mid back, on my shoulders, and, now, my lower back, ass, and hamstrings.
My hamstrings are really tight. I've been working them out a lot with the foam roller and different balls but there is this lump of thick, stiff muscle that just won't get loose.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:23 PM (dciA+)
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Lost just under 3 pounds this week. I forget what I set as a target but that's 10# (well, 9.
in 4-5 weeks.
Who knew the secret to losing weight was "stop eating"?
Work has been very stressful, though in a good way, a lot of braining (logic programmin, anyone?) and Big Picture stuff. Haven't had any inclination to change my eating habits. Last week I ate Monday lunch, Tuesday Dinner, Wednesday Lunch, Thursday Dinner, Saturday Dinner, Sunday Lunch and Dinner.
This week, I may just do Monday lunch and an orgy of consumption over the Labor Day weekend.
in 4-5 weeks.
Who knew the secret to losing weight was "stop eating"?
Work has been very stressful, though in a good way, a lot of braining (logic programmin, anyone?) and Big Picture stuff. Haven't had any inclination to change my eating habits. Last week I ate Monday lunch, Tuesday Dinner, Wednesday Lunch, Thursday Dinner, Saturday Dinner, Sunday Lunch and Dinner.
This week, I may just do Monday lunch and an orgy of consumption over the Labor Day weekend.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 06:23 PM (7zeA4)
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Oh, and we have this (print) book, which is pretty useful. Lots of drawings.
https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Self-Care-Manual-Pain-Free-ebook/dp/B008COVFLO/
https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Self-Care-Manual-Pain-Free-ebook/dp/B008COVFLO/
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:24 PM (Om16U)
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I'm pretty knotted up after decades of weight
training and very little strecthing. This foam roller helps me knead my
muskles all by myself. Little by little, I have become a lot looser.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:20 PM (XGqPs)
I have an inversion table. Five minutes a day (mostly) keeps the chiropractor away. I'm occasionally prone to doing stupid shit, and so I need his help. Strangely, I don't do the stupid shit in the gym, but rather, around the ranch. Doing my impression of the human forklift.
training and very little strecthing. This foam roller helps me knead my
muskles all by myself. Little by little, I have become a lot looser.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:20 PM (XGqPs)
I have an inversion table. Five minutes a day (mostly) keeps the chiropractor away. I'm occasionally prone to doing stupid shit, and so I need his help. Strangely, I don't do the stupid shit in the gym, but rather, around the ranch. Doing my impression of the human forklift.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:24 PM (y0er3)
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I've lost some knee pain, but they're still jacked up.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (0mRoj)
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what is god's name is this place? and who is Ace? and what are gainz?
Posted by: eRacer at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (5z07D)
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One recommendation? Get a really energetic and intelligent dog. My dog gets me more incidental exercise from taking him for walks and to the dog park to try to keep him exhausted than any piece of exercise equipment I have ever owned.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (WV3Yp)
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>>>Even while rehabbing, Ace, you can strengthen your core.
Visit Plank City!
And do alternating planks too...right hand out with left leg back, and vice versa. Hold for 5 seconds initially. Build from there.
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i'm going to do my first post-injury workout session tonight. i'll do the planks, assuming my pelvis doesn't get all wonky about it.
Visit Plank City!
And do alternating planks too...right hand out with left leg back, and vice versa. Hold for 5 seconds initially. Build from there.
..
i'm going to do my first post-injury workout session tonight. i'll do the planks, assuming my pelvis doesn't get all wonky about it.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (dciA+)
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Ace, did you see when I mention RPE (rate of perceived exertion) the other day?
It's a basic and key component to understanding your weight training and how one should approach "lifting" exercises.
The Borg Scale (and RPE) explained:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/borg-scale/
Ace, did you see when I mention RPE (rate of perceived exertion) the other day?
It's a basic and key component to understanding your weight training and how one should approach "lifting" exercises.
The Borg Scale (and RPE) explained:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/borg-scale/
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (XGqPs)
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Oh, and I kicked my running up to 4.5mi, but I'm not doing it as often. It's not super interesting and with a half-hour of warm-up/cooldown, it's a LOT of time to be out there slapping the street with my feed.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (7zeA4)
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21 Oh, and we have this (print) book, which is pretty useful. Lots of drawings.
https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Self-Care-Manual-Pain-Free-ebook/dp/B008COVFLO/
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:24 PM (Om16U)
Anything in there about releasing the second chakra?
https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Self-Care-Manual-Pain-Free-ebook/dp/B008COVFLO/
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:24 PM (Om16U)
Anything in there about releasing the second chakra?
Posted by: Al Gore at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (0mRoj)
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Anyone wants to lose a few pounds my way I'll take them
Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2016 06:25 PM (0G2eQ)
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Also expressed as a thread in the top of your head pulling your head up. With your shoulders *not* being pulled up, but rather reaching their natural and healthy resting position. Posture is a subtle motherfucker.
Losses: mid single digit weight gain, in my defense I was in the south for a week and away from my Wii fit
Losses: mid single digit weight gain, in my defense I was in the south for a week and away from my Wii fit
Posted by: Knemon at August 29, 2016 06:26 PM (+Osdo)
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I missed last week's thread, hence the break in sequence.
Week 0: 261.0lbs (?%)
Week 1: 255.6lbs (33.4%)
Week 2: 260.4lbs (31.8%)
Week 3: 253.0lbs (31.9%)
Week 5: 252.8lbs (31.7%)
Yeah, stalled. I've introduced some simple upper-body strength training (push-ups, bicep curls, tricep curls, forearm curls, reverse forearm curls, shoulder press) but I'm not seeing much (if any) increase in reps.
Week 0: 261.0lbs (?%)
Week 1: 255.6lbs (33.4%)
Week 2: 260.4lbs (31.8%)
Week 3: 253.0lbs (31.9%)
Week 5: 252.8lbs (31.7%)
Yeah, stalled. I've introduced some simple upper-body strength training (push-ups, bicep curls, tricep curls, forearm curls, reverse forearm curls, shoulder press) but I'm not seeing much (if any) increase in reps.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 29, 2016 06:26 PM (jV8Mq)
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I switched to the low-FODMAP diet on doctor's orders because I was in constant gut pain on a daily basis. Giving up gluten, lactose, fructose and a lot of other good shit seems to have taken away the constant pain, leaving me with chronic gut issues. It was hellish, and I mostly did it while unemployed, so 2015 was a really fucking shitass year. Also I lost 50 pounds over the course of that year.
Exercise? Does lifting an XBox One controller on a daily basis count?
Exercise? Does lifting an XBox One controller on a daily basis count?
Posted by: s at August 29, 2016 06:26 PM (HCXGq)
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I've heard we should walk like we have a helium balloon pulling up our heads
Also, all of us computer/desk guys end up with shoulders rolled in - like we are crabs - it's hard to remember to keep the shoulders back
Also, all of us computer/desk guys end up with shoulders rolled in - like we are crabs - it's hard to remember to keep the shoulders back
Posted by: Lurker primus at August 29, 2016 06:26 PM (B3qs7)
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The Supple Leopard is great, but his mobility vids on Youtube are the best. Especially when he teams with Carl Paoli.
Posted by: Crossfit Addict at August 29, 2016 06:27 PM (Gbx3O)
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Last week I talked about trying to get over doing non- gym stuff, and not caring that I could not really measure my GAINZ from them in the way I could in a gym.
Went swimming and kayaking last weekend in an open lake and just let myself enjoy it! It was so fun, love the water. Getting all the outdoor enjoyment I can before winter. Going to do a lot of outside walking this week in nature, if I have my way. Plus increase flexibility training at gym.
What is good stuff for increasing back strength? I already work on my core each week, but am looking for new exercises for back in particular.
Went swimming and kayaking last weekend in an open lake and just let myself enjoy it! It was so fun, love the water. Getting all the outdoor enjoyment I can before winter. Going to do a lot of outside walking this week in nature, if I have my way. Plus increase flexibility training at gym.
What is good stuff for increasing back strength? I already work on my core each week, but am looking for new exercises for back in particular.
Posted by: LizLem at August 29, 2016 06:27 PM (hvf9s)
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Y'all might take away my man card but screw it. All the stuff ace described: yoga both fixes and prevents it.
I've gone through several cycles of "I'm gonna get in shape" over the decades. I'll hit a point where I feel absolutely pathetic and shame myself back into working out, then start out trying to do what I did when I left off- usually years earlier- then injure myself pretty quickly out of the gate and get further demoralized because I can't do what I did before.
Finally, a couple years ago, I tried doing yoga along with my regular workouts. The results were immediate and damn near miraculous. DOMS? Gone. All that minor achiness and stiffness between workouts? Gone. Gains? A LOT more rapid that anything I had done before. Zero injuries, a LOT more energy... way too many benefits to count.
Now I do 15 minutes a day. Nothing fancy. No yoga pants. Now "Oooohhhhhmm"s. Just the basics which amounts to be amazingly good stretching, planking, and strengthening of muscles I wouldn't uses or work any other way.
Wait till your wife/ girlfriend/ baby momma/ escort is out, grade her Beginner Yoga DVD, and hit it for at least 15 minutes. You will feel like a sad, weak, pathetic dork for a week or so... then magic starts to happen.
I've gone through several cycles of "I'm gonna get in shape" over the decades. I'll hit a point where I feel absolutely pathetic and shame myself back into working out, then start out trying to do what I did when I left off- usually years earlier- then injure myself pretty quickly out of the gate and get further demoralized because I can't do what I did before.
Finally, a couple years ago, I tried doing yoga along with my regular workouts. The results were immediate and damn near miraculous. DOMS? Gone. All that minor achiness and stiffness between workouts? Gone. Gains? A LOT more rapid that anything I had done before. Zero injuries, a LOT more energy... way too many benefits to count.
Now I do 15 minutes a day. Nothing fancy. No yoga pants. Now "Oooohhhhhmm"s. Just the basics which amounts to be amazingly good stretching, planking, and strengthening of muscles I wouldn't uses or work any other way.
Wait till your wife/ girlfriend/ baby momma/ escort is out, grade her Beginner Yoga DVD, and hit it for at least 15 minutes. You will feel like a sad, weak, pathetic dork for a week or so... then magic starts to happen.
Posted by: Damiano at August 29, 2016 06:27 PM (71OEY)
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oh, with major movements off the table for now, i've been working on forearms/grip strength a fair amount.
i'm seeing GAINZ there
i'm seeing GAINZ there
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (dciA+)
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I'm enjoying riding my bike, I even have been taking it to work as I have to park a bit away from the building. I throw it in the back of my truck ride up to the building and back when I'm done.
Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (0G2eQ)
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Doing my impression of the human forklift.
Well, here's some useful advice:
Anytime you bend at the hips and pick up weight, ALWAYS take a breath into your girdle (not your chest/lungs) in order to brace your lower back. The air actually supports your spine.
Doing my impression of the human forklift.
Well, here's some useful advice:
Anytime you bend at the hips and pick up weight, ALWAYS take a breath into your girdle (not your chest/lungs) in order to brace your lower back. The air actually supports your spine.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (XGqPs)
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I've mentioned this before, but this year I learned by accident that my hip and back pain were related to the psoas muscle, so I do a small program of stretches for that, or a bit of qigong, and that fixed the problem within a week.
I did tweak my back a few weeks ago from inactivity, but now I'm back to Rippetoe, and BTW need to do my squats right now before I go out to dinner.
I did tweak my back a few weeks ago from inactivity, but now I'm back to Rippetoe, and BTW need to do my squats right now before I go out to dinner.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:29 PM (ozZau)
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I lost a half a pound from laughing at the book title, " "Becoming a Supple Leopard"
Ace, I wish you all health and happiness, but I still think his book title is silly. :^)
Ace, I wish you all health and happiness, but I still think his book title is silly. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 06:29 PM (6HqlZ)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 29, 2016 06:29 PM (WVCC6)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:29 PM (XGqPs)
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There was an article in the Daily mail today that said sex is a pretty good exercise.
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unless your married, in which case trying to have sex is an exercise in frustration...
not to mention futility.
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unless your married, in which case trying to have sex is an exercise in frustration...
not to mention futility.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 29, 2016 06:29 PM (GHdiF)
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Yeah, stalled. I've introduced some simple upper-body strength training (push-ups, bicep curls, tricep curls, forearm curls, reverse forearm curls, shoulder press) but I'm not seeing much (if any) increase in reps.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 29, 2016 06:26 PM (jV8Mq)
One of the things I liked about the Rippetoe method was his focus on trying to increase strength by weight rather than focusing on the number of reps. I toyed around with his suggested format with some dumbbells and noticed pretty much the same increase in strength as I did with a more traditional, high rep format.
YMMV.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 29, 2016 06:26 PM (jV8Mq)
One of the things I liked about the Rippetoe method was his focus on trying to increase strength by weight rather than focusing on the number of reps. I toyed around with his suggested format with some dumbbells and noticed pretty much the same increase in strength as I did with a more traditional, high rep format.
YMMV.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (WV3Yp)
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Ace, thanks for sticking with this weekly thread. I need the weekly inspiration and I learn something every single week.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (U+nHb)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (0mRoj)
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>>>What is good stuff for increasing back strength? I already work on my core each week, but am looking for new exercises for back in particular.
planks seem pretty simple and direct
planks seem pretty simple and direct
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (dciA+)
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I haven't lost any weight because my diet is crap right now, but I have been averaging about 7 miles a day, two walks per day. Rehabbing the back really sucks, but I'm going slow this time. I'll never run again, and that is depressing, but I'd rather be able walk upright without pain. So, check mark for stamina increase. I was surprised to still be able to do pushups without resorting to girl pushups after almost 4 months of not working out at all and barely walking.
Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (9nt94)
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I said, "week" a lot . Ufffffff
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (U+nHb)
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Sabo is out with a new poster reminiscent of his Bad Boy Cruz poster but if you value your mental Beth or plan on ever eating again, DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK!
http://tinyurl.com/hk7vw7p
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 29, 2016 06:31 PM (Nwg0u)
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What is good stuff for increasing back strength? I already work on my core each week, but am looking for new exercises for back in particular.
Deadlifts.
What is good stuff for increasing back strength? I already work on my core each week, but am looking for new exercises for back in particular.
Deadlifts.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:31 PM (XGqPs)
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38 oh, with major movements off the table for now, i've been working on forearms/grip strength a fair amount.
i'm seeing GAINZ there
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (dciA+)
Must. Not. Make. Obvious. Jokes.
38 oh, with major movements off the table for now, i've been working on forearms/grip strength a fair amount.
i'm seeing GAINZ there
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (dciA+)
Must. Not. Make. Obvious. Jokes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:31 PM (WV3Yp)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 06:29 PM (6HqlZ)
That is a funny title.
That is a funny title.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:31 PM (Q5Ymk)
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Deadlifts or bent over rows.
Deadlifts or bent over rows.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:31 PM (XGqPs)
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moviegique, are you still doing Maffetone? Started about 9 days ago and running 5-6 miles per day. Getting a little bit faster day by day.
Posted by: chris not rock at August 29, 2016 06:32 PM (/UcYz)
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>>>One of the things I liked about the Rippetoe method was his focus on trying to increase strength by weight rather than focusing on the number of reps. I toyed around with his suggested format with some dumbbells and noticed pretty much the same increase in strength as I did with a more traditional, high rep format.
YMMV.
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the big revelation from Rippetoe for me is that the isolation stuff (curls, for example) isn't good for building muscle, really, just for sculpting muscle you already have, and the way to actually put on muscle is with the big three (squat, deadlift, press).
I haven't done a single curl but my biceps are visibly larger.
I think he's 100% right. When your body gets to putting on muscle, it puts it on everywhere. You don't actually have to focus on putting muscle here and now here and now there. That's like stuff you do when you're already muscular and are trying to fill in little gaps.
YMMV.
...
the big revelation from Rippetoe for me is that the isolation stuff (curls, for example) isn't good for building muscle, really, just for sculpting muscle you already have, and the way to actually put on muscle is with the big three (squat, deadlift, press).
I haven't done a single curl but my biceps are visibly larger.
I think he's 100% right. When your body gets to putting on muscle, it puts it on everywhere. You don't actually have to focus on putting muscle here and now here and now there. That's like stuff you do when you're already muscular and are trying to fill in little gaps.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:32 PM (dciA+)
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Just a word of warning ...
... I've seen people, groups of people really, all caught up in each others physical activity. They tend to meet in these places called "gyms". Sooner or later, they all tend to wear similar clothes.
And they shun people outside their group. Oh boy - do they ever.
They speak in a shorthand outsiders don't understand. Almost it's own language. Certainly a dialect. And they form a social hierarchy. Sure, they play that shit down in the beginning - to get you in. But the hierarchy rules all. You know - like Scientologists.
So - summing all this up - ACE, YOU'RE JOINING A FRIGGIN' TRIBE !!! RUN !!!
... I've seen people, groups of people really, all caught up in each others physical activity. They tend to meet in these places called "gyms". Sooner or later, they all tend to wear similar clothes.
And they shun people outside their group. Oh boy - do they ever.
They speak in a shorthand outsiders don't understand. Almost it's own language. Certainly a dialect. And they form a social hierarchy. Sure, they play that shit down in the beginning - to get you in. But the hierarchy rules all. You know - like Scientologists.
So - summing all this up - ACE, YOU'RE JOINING A FRIGGIN' TRIBE !!! RUN !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 06:32 PM (fiGNd)
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Oh, slowly doing the Original Strength thing. I find some of it very easy and some of it--neck extensions!--to have tremendous ramifications.
Because I was told at a fairly young age not to do NECK EXTENSIONS THEY'RE EVIL OMG YOU'LL WRECK YOURSELF!!!! so naturally my neck no longer moves that way, and this seems to translate pretty well into VERY tight muscles between the shoulder blades.
All this stuff confirms that the human is a profoundly stupid animal and makes me wonder what profoundly stupid things we're doing right now.
Because I was told at a fairly young age not to do NECK EXTENSIONS THEY'RE EVIL OMG YOU'LL WRECK YOURSELF!!!! so naturally my neck no longer moves that way, and this seems to translate pretty well into VERY tight muscles between the shoulder blades.
All this stuff confirms that the human is a profoundly stupid animal and makes me wonder what profoundly stupid things we're doing right now.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 06:33 PM (7zeA4)
Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2016 06:34 PM (qUNWi)
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deadlifts take a lot of work to get the technique down right and i wouldn't do them unless I had a coach put me through them a few times.
I might have tweaked my back because of bad deadlift form. (I didn't have my knees over my feet; I was putting them forward, as if I was half-squatting.)
I might have tweaked my back because of bad deadlift form. (I didn't have my knees over my feet; I was putting them forward, as if I was half-squatting.)
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:34 PM (dciA+)
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Ace, as you ponder your electrical brain hacking, consider how well the other experiments on your body worked.
Ace, as you ponder your electrical brain hacking, consider how well the other experiments on your body worked.
Posted by: ArthurK at August 29, 2016 06:34 PM (h53OH)
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In reality, I lost five lbs but then went crazy with carbs and then gained two lbs back. It's o.k; I'm walking every day and the best thing about it is seeing some late summer flowers, and goldfinchesand walking and praying with my dear spouse. I've also been doing "Walk Away the Pounds" which is an exercise routine you can do while watching TV so I watched an excellent English dramatization of "Vanity Fair" and a version of "The Tempest from the Globe theatre which was very good.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 06:35 PM (6HqlZ)
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>>>Ace, as you ponder your electrical brain hacking, consider how well the other experiments on your body worked.
early days dude
besides, i have lost 25 pounds. that's not nothin'.
Also, I feel better. i'm just more confident.
early days dude
besides, i have lost 25 pounds. that's not nothin'.
Also, I feel better. i'm just more confident.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:35 PM (dciA+)
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> 5 Using an excecise ball instead of a chair will help you develop and maintain good sitting posture.
>garrett
I've been using a ball-chair for a few years. It's better than the other chairs* I've tried for computer work.
*office chairs, rest-on-knee chairs.
>garrett
I've been using a ball-chair for a few years. It's better than the other chairs* I've tried for computer work.
*office chairs, rest-on-knee chairs.
Posted by: ArthurK at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (h53OH)
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (zu88C)
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Oh... one last endorsement for dudes to do yoga.
I've had back pain, knee pain, joint pain... all that for as long as I could remember. I had to be very careful doing certain exercises that are rough on knees. Chiropractors/ massage did almost nothing for my back.
Then, after about 60 days of yoga once a week for 30 minutes, all of a sudden on morning I woke of and realized that I'd slept through the night without tossing and turning to get in the position of least pain and got out of bed without all sorts of grunting and groaning.
No foam balls, no rollers. Nada. 15 min of yoga a day or once a week for 30 to 45 minutes and zero pain... for years, even after I fell off the wagon for about 18 months.
I've had back pain, knee pain, joint pain... all that for as long as I could remember. I had to be very careful doing certain exercises that are rough on knees. Chiropractors/ massage did almost nothing for my back.
Then, after about 60 days of yoga once a week for 30 minutes, all of a sudden on morning I woke of and realized that I'd slept through the night without tossing and turning to get in the position of least pain and got out of bed without all sorts of grunting and groaning.
No foam balls, no rollers. Nada. 15 min of yoga a day or once a week for 30 to 45 minutes and zero pain... for years, even after I fell off the wagon for about 18 months.
Posted by: Damiano at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (71OEY)
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When ace gets all crazy strong will he be Alex's henchman?
Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (qUNWi)
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I had to make do with hotel gyms for a week, go my GAINZ were a tad interrupted, but I think I'm back on track. Last week:
Bench: 3 reps of 275, then one rep at 285. For the moment, that's my PR.
Deadlift: 4 reps of 385, with no chalk, so my grip was really struggling on the 4th rep, but I locked it out. Barely.
Bench: 3 reps of 275, then one rep at 285. For the moment, that's my PR.
Deadlift: 4 reps of 385, with no chalk, so my grip was really struggling on the 4th rep, but I locked it out. Barely.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)
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Yes deadlifts are a very complicated lift. There are about ten things you need to remember and make sure they're perfect or else you'll snap your shit up.
But nothing beats the deadlift as far as compound lifts go. Plus it's fun to "grip and rip" hundreds of pounds off the floor with your back!
Yes deadlifts are a very complicated lift. There are about ten things you need to remember and make sure they're perfect or else you'll snap your shit up.
But nothing beats the deadlift as far as compound lifts go. Plus it's fun to "grip and rip" hundreds of pounds off the floor with your back!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (XGqPs)
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Well, here's some useful advice:
Anytime you bend at the hips and pick up weight, ALWAYS take a
breath into your girdle (not your chest/lungs) in order to brace your
lower back. The air actually supports your spine.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (XGqPs)
It's great advice.
The weird shit catches me off guard. Case in point: we had 8 inches of rain the week before last. So I'm in the upper barn area moving hay bales from the Ranger (UTV) to the barn in what basically amounts to a quagmire. Hay bale only 75-80 lbs...nothing at all on dry ground. But in the quagmire, one of my feet slid out from under me...I was avoiding falling into the mud soup, because...hay bale...trying to keep it dry. I was successful. But the cost was wrenching my back and straining my hamstring. Fast forward to the chiropractor office, "Next time, just fall, dumbass."
Anytime you bend at the hips and pick up weight, ALWAYS take a
breath into your girdle (not your chest/lungs) in order to brace your
lower back. The air actually supports your spine.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:28 PM (XGqPs)
It's great advice.
The weird shit catches me off guard. Case in point: we had 8 inches of rain the week before last. So I'm in the upper barn area moving hay bales from the Ranger (UTV) to the barn in what basically amounts to a quagmire. Hay bale only 75-80 lbs...nothing at all on dry ground. But in the quagmire, one of my feet slid out from under me...I was avoiding falling into the mud soup, because...hay bale...trying to keep it dry. I was successful. But the cost was wrenching my back and straining my hamstring. Fast forward to the chiropractor office, "Next time, just fall, dumbass."
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (y0er3)
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)
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Y'all might take away my man card but screw it. All the stuff ace described: yoga both fixes and prevents it.
Reminds me of an episode of King of the Hill. Do you call one pose the modified Roger Staubach?
Seriously, my husband has been doing yoga for years. It's helped his back. I have considered it, but my problem isn't with my musculature. It's my dang spine. Twisting in any way puts pressure on my lumbar right where my disc herniated.
Reminds me of an episode of King of the Hill. Do you call one pose the modified Roger Staubach?
Seriously, my husband has been doing yoga for years. It's helped his back. I have considered it, but my problem isn't with my musculature. It's my dang spine. Twisting in any way puts pressure on my lumbar right where my disc herniated. Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (9nt94)
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You probably didn't lose a pound of actual muscle tissue (ie sarcoplasm) so much as just tissue water. When you work out, you get fluid in your muscles: it is lean body mass, but it is just water. When you stop working out, you lose that fluid.
I gained the ability to not gasp like an asthmatic walrus trying to keep up with a human marathon machine. I gained that by the intense practise of a running exercise called "not trying to keep up with that guy" any more.
In any event, leopard is pretty ketogenic, so I say, go for it.
I gained the ability to not gasp like an asthmatic walrus trying to keep up with a human marathon machine. I gained that by the intense practise of a running exercise called "not trying to keep up with that guy" any more.
In any event, leopard is pretty ketogenic, so I say, go for it.
Posted by: HiHo at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (CPk08)
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I'm at my goal weight so I'm happy. Missed the gym last Monday but I walked.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (Q5Ymk)
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I was out of ketosis for the first time and was pleased I jumped right back in within 12 hours. Keto adapted, yeah me.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (U+nHb)
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Ed Coan has a very good deadlift video on youtube with Mark Bell.
Ed Coan has a very good deadlift video on youtube with Mark Bell.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (XGqPs)
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I might nab one of those 'King of Crush' style grip strength dealies if I can find a cheap one. Grip is definitely the weakest part of my deadlift.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (kumBu)
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deadlifts look super simple and intuitive, but it's very deceptive; as someone mentioned upthread, it's fairly subtle stuff about how to get into proper position.
one thing that helped me was just remembering when you get down to the bar, it's not that you put your knees forward, it's that you push your ass back.
one thing that helped me was just remembering when you get down to the bar, it's not that you put your knees forward, it's that you push your ass back.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (dciA+)
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I've had good success the last 2 years with Rippetoe's program.
Posted by: Yo! at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (uPt3V)
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Arnica
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:21 PM (Om16U)
Homeopathy is sort of voodoo.
Well...it's actually all voodoo. Or nonsense.
Sorry.
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:21 PM (Om16U)
Homeopathy is sort of voodoo.
Well...it's actually all voodoo. Or nonsense.
Sorry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (Zu3d9)
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I might have tweaked my back because of bad deadlift form. (I didn't have my knees over my feet; I was putting them forward, as if I was half-squatting.)
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:34 PM (dciA+)
You might replace the deadlift with some rows for the back. The problem is, Rippetoe is right here, it is hard to find many exercises outside the three that work as many muscle groups at once.
I had been following the rippetoe plan fairly seriously, but I tweaked something in my lower back while doing a deadlift. I could feel it twinge hard. Scared the crap out of me because I have seriously pulled a muscle once there before and that was not a fun three days (not being able to sit on a toilet without excruciating pain was no fun.) By the same token, I probably should have just taken a week or two off and then started back again at a lower weight, but I chickened out and went for a substitute exercise instead.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:34 PM (dciA+)
You might replace the deadlift with some rows for the back. The problem is, Rippetoe is right here, it is hard to find many exercises outside the three that work as many muscle groups at once.
I had been following the rippetoe plan fairly seriously, but I tweaked something in my lower back while doing a deadlift. I could feel it twinge hard. Scared the crap out of me because I have seriously pulled a muscle once there before and that was not a fun three days (not being able to sit on a toilet without excruciating pain was no fun.) By the same token, I probably should have just taken a week or two off and then started back again at a lower weight, but I chickened out and went for a substitute exercise instead.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (WV3Yp)
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (Om16U)
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i was thinking about yoga a lot, but i'm doing something else.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Give Flowfit by Scott Sonnon a try.
Miraculous for tight hips and lower back.
I think that Flowfit I is free. I haven't tried Flowfit II.
i was thinking about yoga a lot, but i'm doing something else.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Give Flowfit by Scott Sonnon a try.
Miraculous for tight hips and lower back.
I think that Flowfit I is free. I haven't tried Flowfit II.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (zu88C)
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Anyone know about resting? Seriously, at what point is the diminishing returns on working out. Can I break for 3-4 days without losing too much gained strength?
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (U+nHb)
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I had ear ache in left ear off and on for 3 weeks. Asked nurse if ENT guy could work me in. He listened to my complaint and said "I think I know what it is but let's look you over.' He then gave me a thorough head and throat checkup, and asked 'Do you have arthritis?' I said yeah in my hands, elbows and knees. He said 'Well, you now have it in your left jaw hinge joint. Bone on bone.' I was relieved. Last time I had an ear ache, it turned out to be throat cancer.
Posted by: Eromero at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (zLDYs)
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Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (9nt94)
Watch that. My neurosurgeon told me no yoga. If I had done it previously he said it would be fine.
Watch that. My neurosurgeon told me no yoga. If I had done it previously he said it would be fine.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (Q5Ymk)
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I just can't handle the 'supple leopard' part with a straight face. It might be the silliest thing I've seen And this is from a guy who's seen futa porn starring Elsa from Frozen.
I'm still a bad, lazy person who doesn't exercise enough. Some walking, but that's not enough. Going to Boston this weekend, which will boost the walking quite a bit.
On the good side, I'm on week 7 or 8 now of Intermittent Fasting and I do think I've lost some weight. Pants are a bit looser. Not bad for someone who still drinks sodas and butterscotch rice crispy treats...between noon and 8pm.
I'm still a bad, lazy person who doesn't exercise enough. Some walking, but that's not enough. Going to Boston this weekend, which will boost the walking quite a bit.
On the good side, I'm on week 7 or 8 now of Intermittent Fasting and I do think I've lost some weight. Pants are a bit looser. Not bad for someone who still drinks sodas and butterscotch rice crispy treats...between noon and 8pm.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (6Rgp9)
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They day rice and beans are a complete protein, I made a soup yesterday with 21 beans and ham. Of course I threw in the Trinity of carrots, celery and onions, and some crimini mushrooms too. I served it on white rice, did I cancel out the carbs in the rice? Or is that still bad. I normally would have eaten a sleeve of saltines with it, which is worse?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (6Ll1u)
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Bench: 3 reps of 275, then one rep at 285. For the moment, that's my PR.
Deadlift: 4 reps of 385, with no chalk, so my grip was really struggling on the 4th rep, but I locked it out. Barely.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)
Broseidon - out-fucking-standing!!!
Deadlift: 4 reps of 385, with no chalk, so my grip was really struggling on the 4th rep, but I locked it out. Barely.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)
Broseidon - out-fucking-standing!!!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (y0er3)
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I can't be the only one who is put in mind of the "Sex Panther" fragrance after reading about this Supple Leopard business.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (noWW6)
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You might want to look into Functional Movement screening ( http://www.functionalmovement.com/fms) Figure out imbalances all in one go, as it were, and learn what you need to do to strengthen the weak spots. This is apparently used a good bit in professional sports to prevent injury.
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (SuJIo)
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Ace,
There are a bunch of certified Starting Strenght coaches in the NYC area.
You might check them out for help with the lifts
There are a bunch of certified Starting Strenght coaches in the NYC area.
You might check them out for help with the lifts
Posted by: Yo! at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (uPt3V)
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really sounds like you could use a good physiotherapist.
I had bad knee pain, I was riding mtn bikes a lot. One session and she had me use a foam roller on my inner thigh...
That cured all the pain, which was considerable.
I also have shoulder issues, got into a huge brawl many years ago and it got fucked up.
Again, one session with myofascial release and the issues were cleared up.
A good massage therapist, who should more precisely know bodywork, can get into your shoulders and do some alignment. There are some good exercises for getting them stronger as well, like the YTWL routine.
Good luck!
really sounds like you could use a good physiotherapist.
I had bad knee pain, I was riding mtn bikes a lot. One session and she had me use a foam roller on my inner thigh...
That cured all the pain, which was considerable.
I also have shoulder issues, got into a huge brawl many years ago and it got fucked up.
Again, one session with myofascial release and the issues were cleared up.
A good massage therapist, who should more precisely know bodywork, can get into your shoulders and do some alignment. There are some good exercises for getting them stronger as well, like the YTWL routine.
Good luck!
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (gIYPV)
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (Om16U)
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"I have an inversion table. Five minutes a day (mostly) keeps the chiropractor away. I'm occasionally prone to doing stupid shit, and so I need his help. Strangely, I don't do the stupid shit in the gym, but rather, around the ranch. Doing my impression of the human forklift.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:24 PM (y0er3) "
I've got one of those too, and haven't needed a chiro yet. But I'm only 29.
I actually am 29! Not ace's 29!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:24 PM (y0er3) "
I've got one of those too, and haven't needed a chiro yet. But I'm only 29.
I actually am 29! Not ace's 29!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (kumBu)
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Anyone else noticed improved mental benefits when you have been exercising a while? It may be psychosomatic, but I really think there is something to the Greek sound min=sound body thing. Who knew those dead white guys knew anything?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (WV3Yp)
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57 -- chris not rock
Still doing Maffetone. I seem to be able to run forever at that low heart rate. (Not really but it seems like it.) The real problem I'm having is clearing out a couple of hours to do it. Also, it's subtle, and not macho.
I see the value of "no pain, no gain" but I'm missing the sense of challenge.
Still doing Maffetone. I seem to be able to run forever at that low heart rate. (Not really but it seems like it.) The real problem I'm having is clearing out a couple of hours to do it. Also, it's subtle, and not macho.
I see the value of "no pain, no gain" but I'm missing the sense of challenge.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (7zeA4)
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>>>I was out of ketosis for the first time and was pleased I jumped right back in within 12 hours. Keto adapted, yeah me.
i was out for two or three days but went back in today. it's a good feeling.
i actually do have a lot of energy now. I feel like I have a new life. I do a lot more moving and just get more stuff done now.
Before I was in ketosis, it just seemed like such a chore to do anything or to go anywhere.
that's just low blood energy talking, tell you to conserve your strength.
i was out for two or three days but went back in today. it's a good feeling.
i actually do have a lot of energy now. I feel like I have a new life. I do a lot more moving and just get more stuff done now.
Before I was in ketosis, it just seemed like such a chore to do anything or to go anywhere.
that's just low blood energy talking, tell you to conserve your strength.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (dciA+)
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The Sabo poster of Hillary looks better than Imagine she she actually looks. I expect a woman of that age to have sagging breasts unless she's had cosmetic surgery. What it probably doesn't show is that if she's as heavy as she's reputed she likelyhas rolls of fat from her abdomen. The tear tattoos from people killed was a clever touch, however.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (6HqlZ)
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one thing that helped me was just remembering when
you get down to the bar, it's not that you put your knees forward, it's
that you push your ass back.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (dciA+)
As you're coming up with the weight, engage your hips. Thrust that pelvis!
you get down to the bar, it's not that you put your knees forward, it's
that you push your ass back.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (dciA+)
As you're coming up with the weight, engage your hips. Thrust that pelvis!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (y0er3)
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Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (dciA+)
My trainer tells me to push the ground away from me with my feet. Also, butt back.
My trainer tells me to push the ground away from me with my feet. Also, butt back.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:42 PM (Q5Ymk)
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Homeopathy isn't "sort of voodoo". Its total nonsense. I mean, if the stuff works for you, great, and I don't know how it's working. But it isn't working the way its practitioners say its working, that's for sure.
Posted by: HiHo at August 29, 2016 06:42 PM (CPk08)
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Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (6Ll1u)
If you are low-carbing, there's nothing that will cancel out carbs except possibly a lot of exercise (like a marathon)
White rice is delicious but evil.
If you are low-carbing, there's nothing that will cancel out carbs except possibly a lot of exercise (like a marathon)
White rice is delicious but evil.
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:43 PM (Om16U)
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but i'm doing something else.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)
As ridiculous as this may sound, if you want to work on balance, just do everyday things, but on one foot.
For instance, don't sit down to pull your socks on. Stand on one foot and pull your sock onto your raised foot.
It sounds stupid, but little things like that will improve your balance if you keep at it.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)
As ridiculous as this may sound, if you want to work on balance, just do everyday things, but on one foot.
For instance, don't sit down to pull your socks on. Stand on one foot and pull your sock onto your raised foot.
It sounds stupid, but little things like that will improve your balance if you keep at it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 29, 2016 06:43 PM (Zu3d9)
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>>>93 You might want to look into Functional Movement screening ( http://www.functionalmovement.com/fms) Figure out imbalances all in one go, as it were, and learn what you need to do to strengthen the weak spots. This is apparently used a good bit in professional sports to prevent injury.
i'd recommend that to anyone. I had no idea what a mess I was (am) in terms of the most basic physical abilities and habits.
i'd recommend that to anyone. I had no idea what a mess I was (am) in terms of the most basic physical abilities and habits.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:43 PM (dciA+)
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There's nothing wrong or unmanly about yoga. It's just that, there's only 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week, and for the time being I'm focusing on powerlifting training. But not everyone cares about GAINZ, and for other things, yoga can be more helpful.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:43 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (Zu3d9)
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>>>As ridiculous as this may sound, if you want to work on balance, just do everyday things, but on one foot.
it's a good idea. it's why i bought the bosu ball for home, but so far my balance is just terrible, like every other aspect of my physical being.
it's a good idea. it's why i bought the bosu ball for home, but so far my balance is just terrible, like every other aspect of my physical being.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (dciA+)
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it's that you push your ass back.
Yeah, you kinda "sit" back and support yourself by holding the bar. The lift is a pull and a press, simultaneously. You lift with your hips, and press your feet "through the floor" with your legs.
You end up acting as a hinge, kinda. It takes a while to get good at it.
it's that you push your ass back.
Yeah, you kinda "sit" back and support yourself by holding the bar. The lift is a pull and a press, simultaneously. You lift with your hips, and press your feet "through the floor" with your legs.
You end up acting as a hinge, kinda. It takes a while to get good at it.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (XGqPs)
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Yup, Damiano, yoga is magic. Doesn't hurt that yoga classes are 95% female (and fit, more often than not)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (6Rgp9)
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Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (zu88C)
hah me too, just got back into linkedin
Posted by: @votermom
>>>>>>>>
Sorry to hear that!
I am thinking about a new funemployment site called DrinkedIN where you get drunk and post long articles about stupid sh*t that your ex-employer did and give people tips on Mortgage Payment Avoidance and 21 Quick Dinners With Catfood.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (zu88C)
hah me too, just got back into linkedin
Posted by: @votermom
>>>>>>>>
Sorry to hear that!
I am thinking about a new funemployment site called DrinkedIN where you get drunk and post long articles about stupid sh*t that your ex-employer did and give people tips on Mortgage Payment Avoidance and 21 Quick Dinners With Catfood.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (zu88C)
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Anyone else noticed improved mental benefits when you have been
exercising a while? It may be psychosomatic, but I really think there is
something to the Greek sound min=sound body thing. Who knew those dead
white guys knew anything?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (WV3Yp)
Absolutely! But if something happens and I miss a workout, you don't want to be around me.
Anyone else noticed improved mental benefits when you have been
exercising a while? It may be psychosomatic, but I really think there is
something to the Greek sound min=sound body thing. Who knew those dead
white guys knew anything?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:41 PM (WV3Yp)
Absolutely! But if something happens and I miss a workout, you don't want to be around me.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (y0er3)
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>>>46 One of the things I liked about the Rippetoe method was his focus on trying to increase strength by weight rather than focusing on the number of reps. I toyed around with his suggested format with some dumbbells and noticed pretty much the same increase in strength as I did with a more traditional, high rep format.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (WV3Yp)<<<
Thanks; I'll introduce extra weight this week. For the past two weeks, I've been in the "try like hell not to injure myself" phase as I get back into some strength training. Only moderate, week-long soreness ensued in the usual areas (bicep tendons at the elbows) so I'll call it a win.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (WV3Yp)<<<
Thanks; I'll introduce extra weight this week. For the past two weeks, I've been in the "try like hell not to injure myself" phase as I get back into some strength training. Only moderate, week-long soreness ensued in the usual areas (bicep tendons at the elbows) so I'll call it a win.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (jV8Mq)
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>>>My trainer tells me to push the ground away from me with my feet. Also, butt back.
i've got told that too but i have no idea what it means
i've got told that too but i have no idea what it means
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (dciA+)
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Oh and just for clarity, just can't take the name 'supple leopard' seriously. I'm sure the exercises are fine/useful.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 29, 2016 06:45 PM (6Rgp9)
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Well ... I've started this awesome new program called Remodel the Deck for My Damn Wife.
At first ... it sounded great. It would be both a testament to my Building Abilities as a Dude as well as a living, loving symbol of My Unspoken Dedication to the Woman Who Tolerates My Shit.
Saturday - I started the program at 8:00 AM in a heat-index of 95. I did 13 reps of Tear Down These Friggin' Stair Treads and Hope the Whole Fucking Thing Doesn't Fall With Me On It. You use a hammer, flatbar, and crowbar on these. Feel the burn !!! Some pry off easy - some fight you like a bastard. That's part of the fun !!!
I then did a moderate cooldown of Bend All Those Nails Down Before the Precious Dogs Step on One. By then, I'm feeling a little thirsty. Also understanding Obama's dining choices a little better. You get a little cardio on these, carrying all the pieces to the scrap pile.
I then did a ton of reps called Use the Shovel to Dig. This is kind of odd to describe. So, you dig up dirt - but not too much - because it has to be exactly four inches deep. Then you stop and measure - and it's only two inches deep. Then you dig some more. Maybe we should call it Scrape Indiana Clay That Hates You to an Exact Depth While Having Your Hopes Pissed On.
That was Saturday. Would you like to know more ?
At first ... it sounded great. It would be both a testament to my Building Abilities as a Dude as well as a living, loving symbol of My Unspoken Dedication to the Woman Who Tolerates My Shit.
Saturday - I started the program at 8:00 AM in a heat-index of 95. I did 13 reps of Tear Down These Friggin' Stair Treads and Hope the Whole Fucking Thing Doesn't Fall With Me On It. You use a hammer, flatbar, and crowbar on these. Feel the burn !!! Some pry off easy - some fight you like a bastard. That's part of the fun !!!
I then did a moderate cooldown of Bend All Those Nails Down Before the Precious Dogs Step on One. By then, I'm feeling a little thirsty. Also understanding Obama's dining choices a little better. You get a little cardio on these, carrying all the pieces to the scrap pile.
I then did a ton of reps called Use the Shovel to Dig. This is kind of odd to describe. So, you dig up dirt - but not too much - because it has to be exactly four inches deep. Then you stop and measure - and it's only two inches deep. Then you dig some more. Maybe we should call it Scrape Indiana Clay That Hates You to an Exact Depth While Having Your Hopes Pissed On.
That was Saturday. Would you like to know more ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 06:45 PM (fiGNd)
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My trainer tells me to push the ground away from me with my feet.
Yes. That way you're engaging your leg muscles instead of doing the entire lift with your back. That's the right way to do a deadlift.
My trainer tells me to push the ground away from me with my feet.
Yes. That way you're engaging your leg muscles instead of doing the entire lift with your back. That's the right way to do a deadlift.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:45 PM (XGqPs)
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I pace back and forth when I go out for a smoke at work. That's exercise, right?
Posted by: rickl at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (zu88C)
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I made 0 progress this week despite tight calorie restriction and not one slip.
I didn't lose ANY weight, which hasn't happended to me before since I've always gotten off extra pounds with normal efforts to get them off.
I don't know if its the derangement of hormones at my time of life (late perimenopause), some other issue or just skyrocketing cortisol.
I had a bad week. I'm having a horrible reaction to a tetanus shot and not sure if things are going to simmer down any time soon.
I didn't lose ANY weight, which hasn't happended to me before since I've always gotten off extra pounds with normal efforts to get them off.
I don't know if its the derangement of hormones at my time of life (late perimenopause), some other issue or just skyrocketing cortisol.
I had a bad week. I'm having a horrible reaction to a tetanus shot and not sure if things are going to simmer down any time soon.
Posted by: SarahW at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (Sp1NT)
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Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (zu88C)
Oh I've been unemployed aka stay at home mom for ever now.
I meant I just got back into linkedin to try to change that
I may even take a selfie and add it to my profile (yikes!)
Also:
Do Not Ever Drunk Post About Your Ex-Employer.
Oh I've been unemployed aka stay at home mom for ever now.
I meant I just got back into linkedin to try to change that
I may even take a selfie and add it to my profile (yikes!)
Also:
Do Not Ever Drunk Post About Your Ex-Employer.
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (Om16U)
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hmmm... little by little i'm getting some sense of what the deadlift is supposed to be
useful stuff guys
useful stuff guys
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (dciA+)
He's trying to get me to use my legs. Use your legs too to do the lift.
He's trying to get me to use my legs. Use your legs too to do the lift.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (Q5Ymk)
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Oh and just for clarity, just can't take the name 'supple leopard' seriously.
I couldn't possibly take it seriously ;^) and I'm sure the exercises are fine.
I couldn't possibly take it seriously ;^) and I'm sure the exercises are fine.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 06:46 PM (6HqlZ)
Posted by: Yo! at August 29, 2016 06:47 PM (uPt3V)
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but there is this lump of thick, stiff muscle that just won't get loose.
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Have you tried using your hands and forearms to "rub" that "muscle"?
***please don't ban me, I couldn't help myself..***
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Have you tried using your hands and forearms to "rub" that "muscle"?
***please don't ban me, I couldn't help myself..***
Posted by: lindafell de spair- racist, mysognistic, uneducated, bitter, redneck, Moron in TEXIT! at August 29, 2016 06:47 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (zu88C)
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I absolutely have more energy while in Ketosis. I just generally feel good.
Hey, anyone see my question on resting up thread?
Hey, anyone see my question on resting up thread?
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (U+nHb)
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And this is from a guy who's seen futa porn starring Elsa from Frozen.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (6Rgp9)
I had no idea what that is, so I Binged it.
I now have a very good idea what it is, and I hate you.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (6Rgp9)
I had no idea what that is, so I Binged it.
I now have a very good idea what it is, and I hate you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (Zu3d9)
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I may even take a selfie and add it to my profile (yikes!)
Just don't take a picture of yourself in lingerie or Anthony Weiner may contact you. Ugh ;^)
Just don't take a picture of yourself in lingerie or Anthony Weiner may contact you. Ugh ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (6HqlZ)
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Anyone can go to Rippetoe's web site and watch videos of how the big lifts are done.
They are on YouTube as well
They are on YouTube as well
Posted by: Yo! at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (uPt3V)
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By the way, there was a discussion some time ago on whether women like guys with tight butts or is that just a ghey thing.
I will tell you that I performed some unexpected research this weekend and big muscled arms and broad chests are teh sexxxy.
The butts are not even in the picture.
For your information.
I will tell you that I performed some unexpected research this weekend and big muscled arms and broad chests are teh sexxxy.
The butts are not even in the picture.
For your information.
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (Om16U)
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I avoid carbs for the most part and do protein and vegetable heavy meals. Aim for 16 hour fasts during the week and early AM workouts that are half weights and half cardio. So far so good, went from 298lbs in Jan of 15 to 215lbs as of today.
Posted by: jj at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (yYOmC)
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Started keto July 28 at 190 lbs. Weighed in this morning at 165. In retrospect, that was probably too much too fast. For the last week or so, I've been energy deprived. Much less energy than before the diet. I tried bone soup, bullet-proof coffee, etc.
This weekend I finally introduced a little more carbs to the diet, and ate more frequently (was unintentionally fasting for 12-18 hours at at time).
Made all the difference. My keto strips went from dark purple to light purple/pink, but feel much better.
Also, I would recommend an inversion table for anyone undergoing rehab for back, thoracic or hip problems.
Good luck to all!
This weekend I finally introduced a little more carbs to the diet, and ate more frequently (was unintentionally fasting for 12-18 hours at at time).
Made all the difference. My keto strips went from dark purple to light purple/pink, but feel much better.
Also, I would recommend an inversion table for anyone undergoing rehab for back, thoracic or hip problems.
Good luck to all!
Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (K254S)
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Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 06:45 PM (fiGNd)
You could charge city folks to do manual labor and call it a workout. Maybe have a kickass playlist and some candles.
You have to think up a good name to have the next big fitness program.
Soul digging or something.
You could charge city folks to do manual labor and call it a workout. Maybe have a kickass playlist and some candles.
You have to think up a good name to have the next big fitness program.
Soul digging or something.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (Q5Ymk)
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"Broseidon - out-fucking-standing!!!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (y0er3) "
Thanks! Your advice has been a big help on these threads. The magnesium chloride has done wonders for my soreness. I've been rec'ing it to everybody I know that does heavy lifts and complains of general aches and pains.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (y0er3) "
Thanks! Your advice has been a big help on these threads. The magnesium chloride has done wonders for my soreness. I've been rec'ing it to everybody I know that does heavy lifts and complains of general aches and pains.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (kumBu)
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102
one thing that helped me was just remembering when
you get down to the bar, it's not that you put your knees forward, it's
that you push your ass back.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (dciA+)
Look at the pic on the front of the book. To keep from falling over, the center of gravity HAS TO stay above your mid-foot. Your body parts need to fold up in a way that keeps it there.
one thing that helped me was just remembering when
you get down to the bar, it's not that you put your knees forward, it's
that you push your ass back.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:38 PM (dciA+)
Look at the pic on the front of the book. To keep from falling over, the center of gravity HAS TO stay above your mid-foot. Your body parts need to fold up in a way that keeps it there.
Posted by: jd at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (MTWhU)
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I've plateaued at the gym recently, and so I'm going to back off and try a different approach.
Mon / Friday
Squats
Bench
Barbell Row
Wednesday
Warmup squats
Deadlift
Overhead Press
Power Cleans
I'm backing off the weight on the squats and adding it back on in a steady progression to see if I can break through the point I keep getting stuck at.
Meanwhile, on Tuesdays and Thursdays I'm focusing on sledgehammer swings, pushups, planks, running and ruckmarching, and swordwork. I may also look up that supple leopard stuff as well. Either that or Yoga.
Food-wise, I'm trying to get back in the habit of cooking my meals. Cooking a pork butt in the PBC is easy and gives me enough food for four or five days, especially when combined with black beans and veggies on the side. The goal is more about being cheap than trying to lose weight, since I'm now a poor college student on a budget.
Mon / Friday
Squats
Bench
Barbell Row
Wednesday
Warmup squats
Deadlift
Overhead Press
Power Cleans
I'm backing off the weight on the squats and adding it back on in a steady progression to see if I can break through the point I keep getting stuck at.
Meanwhile, on Tuesdays and Thursdays I'm focusing on sledgehammer swings, pushups, planks, running and ruckmarching, and swordwork. I may also look up that supple leopard stuff as well. Either that or Yoga.
Food-wise, I'm trying to get back in the habit of cooking my meals. Cooking a pork butt in the PBC is easy and gives me enough food for four or five days, especially when combined with black beans and veggies on the side. The goal is more about being cheap than trying to lose weight, since I'm now a poor college student on a budget.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (nL7Zm)
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Magoo nailed it - deadlift is a classic hip-hinge movement. (Another way to use the hip-hinge is the kettle bell swing.) Done properly, works hips, glutes, hamstrings, lower back and core. You get it all!!!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (y0er3)
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I found it!
Mark Rippetoe's very short and very useful video on the deadlift setup. This is a great video because of its brevity and simplicity.
Watch this and memorize it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3izzg0RCTg
I found it!
Mark Rippetoe's very short and very useful video on the deadlift setup. This is a great video because of its brevity and simplicity.
Watch this and memorize it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3izzg0RCTg
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (XGqPs)
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>>>Anyone can go to Rippetoe's web site and watch videos of how the big lifts are done.
They are on YouTube as well
...
i personally can't learn that way. I need it verbally and with pictures.
They are on YouTube as well
...
i personally can't learn that way. I need it verbally and with pictures.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (dciA+)
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Yo Ace! You gotta work the back. For great total body plus cardio I suggest rowing if you go to the gym. Most have machines that simulate water.
Also at home you can get a pull up bar and stand on a step Stool and do body weight squats into a resistant pull up and chin up. Work up to sets of 100 squats into the pull up. And a set of 100 squats into the chin up. You can do the one arm chin ups that way as well. Also wide grip for wings and closer grips work the middle back.
I'd you want to start climbing invest in a hanging board. You can use the handing board with different grips in combination with standing on a stool into the pull ups and Chin ups. Hanging boards are a must have if you want to start climbing.
Also at home you can get a pull up bar and stand on a step Stool and do body weight squats into a resistant pull up and chin up. Work up to sets of 100 squats into the pull up. And a set of 100 squats into the chin up. You can do the one arm chin ups that way as well. Also wide grip for wings and closer grips work the middle back.
I'd you want to start climbing invest in a hanging board. You can use the handing board with different grips in combination with standing on a stool into the pull ups and Chin ups. Hanging boards are a must have if you want to start climbing.
Posted by: Pepe at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (uG7LM)
145
Ace, take EJ entertainment off the speed dial.
Posted by: Pepe at August 29, 2016 06:52 PM (uG7LM)
146
Done properly, works hips, glutes, hamstrings, lower back and core.
Yep, and all without injury.
Done properly, works hips, glutes, hamstrings, lower back and core.
Yep, and all without injury.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:52 PM (XGqPs)
147
So far so good, went from 298lbs in Jan of 15 to 215lbs as of today.
Posted by: jj at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (yYOmC)
Rockin' it jj - well done! Congratulations!
Posted by: jj at August 29, 2016 06:49 PM (yYOmC)
Rockin' it jj - well done! Congratulations!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:52 PM (y0er3)
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broseidon king & Skip,
Please eff off and die while you're getting off my lawn!!
(These damn skinny youts today.....)
Please eff off and die while you're getting off my lawn!!
(These damn skinny youts today.....)
Posted by: lindafell de spair- racist, mysognistic, uneducated, bitter, redneck, Moron in TEXIT! at August 29, 2016 06:52 PM (xVgrA)
149
You guys doing workouts?
Posted by: Flounder at August 29, 2016 06:52 PM (JO9+V)
150
Thanks; I'll introduce extra weight this week. For the past two weeks, I've been in the "try like hell not to injure myself" phase as I get back into some strength training. Only moderate, week-long soreness ensued in the usual areas (bicep tendons at the elbows) so I'll call it a win.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (jV8Mq)
Be careful, the other thing he suggests is drastically reduced reps. Like 3 sets of 5 at your near to max for the exercise and doing the full body movements Ace mentioned (Squats, deadlifts, power cleans, etc.) It is kind of different.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 29, 2016 06:44 PM (jV8Mq)
Be careful, the other thing he suggests is drastically reduced reps. Like 3 sets of 5 at your near to max for the exercise and doing the full body movements Ace mentioned (Squats, deadlifts, power cleans, etc.) It is kind of different.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:53 PM (WV3Yp)
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (y0er3)
I do those!
I do those!
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:53 PM (Q5Ymk)
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The weight continues to come off, thanks to the Horde. I started intermittent fasting on 5 July, and as of today I dropped 37 lbs.
Clothes I hadn't worn in years now fit.
Women now pretend to be interested in what I'm saying.
The journey ain't over - I have another 30 lbs to go before I get comfortable, but there's a great psychological boost to know that I'm past the halfway point.
This is from going relatively hardcore - I eat only dinner, walk a minimum of three miles during my lunch hour, and drink lots of water. It's working for me and I have Ace to thank for starting me down this path.
Clothes I hadn't worn in years now fit.
Women now pretend to be interested in what I'm saying.
The journey ain't over - I have another 30 lbs to go before I get comfortable, but there's a great psychological boost to know that I'm past the halfway point.
This is from going relatively hardcore - I eat only dinner, walk a minimum of three miles during my lunch hour, and drink lots of water. It's working for me and I have Ace to thank for starting me down this path.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (wYqpH)
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Eat less diet. Also some exercise this week, did a five real mile 7 Fitbit miles hike. Lots of up and down, the short steps fool the Fitbit. The new ones look cool, may be a birthday present to me. 0 gain or loss this week, but after 1 year of restarted diet am down 62 lbs, target of 52 lbs. same next year and I will be meary a fat guy.
Posted by: Fredlike at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (AHd0y)
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@ Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 06:37 PM (9nt94)
I can only speak for myself. I ALWAYS had lower back pain and couldn't move. Heck, touching my toes was painful and impossible... till I started doing yoga.
I don't do a the wacky stuff. Really, just the bare bones basics. There's really not a lot of twisting with the basic stuff and, honestly, there was no way in hell I could do it... until I had been doing the basics for about 60 days or so and decided to try some of the more difficult stuff... and shocked myself by doing it. Not great, but I gradually worked it in and progressed much faster than I ever could have imagined.
It also is shocking how much and how rapidly my strength improves. Doing the usual gym stuff was always a long slog peppered with plateaus and stops and slides...till I started doing yoga. I loathe gyms, so these days I do mostly dumbells at home. W/O yoga... I might go up weight every 2-3 weeks. With yoga, I go from couch potato to adding 5- 10 lbs per dumbell almost every week.
I can only speak for myself. I ALWAYS had lower back pain and couldn't move. Heck, touching my toes was painful and impossible... till I started doing yoga.
I don't do a the wacky stuff. Really, just the bare bones basics. There's really not a lot of twisting with the basic stuff and, honestly, there was no way in hell I could do it... until I had been doing the basics for about 60 days or so and decided to try some of the more difficult stuff... and shocked myself by doing it. Not great, but I gradually worked it in and progressed much faster than I ever could have imagined.
It also is shocking how much and how rapidly my strength improves. Doing the usual gym stuff was always a long slog peppered with plateaus and stops and slides...till I started doing yoga. I loathe gyms, so these days I do mostly dumbells at home. W/O yoga... I might go up weight every 2-3 weeks. With yoga, I go from couch potato to adding 5- 10 lbs per dumbell almost every week.
Posted by: Damiano at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (71OEY)
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Deadlifts do have a lot of moving parts, but the good thing about a deadlift is that not very much can go wrong on a failed deadlift. I mean, you can wrench your back out, I suppose, or tweak other parts of your body. But usually, a 'failed' deadlift just means the bar didn't move off the ground. Unlike a failed bench, which might mean the bar fell on your chest. Or a failed squat, which means you might have crumpled to the ground and broken something.
Of course, you should always have a spotter if you're working with heavy weights.
Of course, you should always have a spotter if you're working with heavy weights.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (kumBu)
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I had no idea what that is, so I Binged it.
I now have a very good idea what it is, and I hate you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (Zu3d9)
I have a rule, if there is an odd term connected to porn, I probably do not want to know.
I now have a very good idea what it is, and I hate you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 29, 2016 06:48 PM (Zu3d9)
I have a rule, if there is an odd term connected to porn, I probably do not want to know.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (WV3Yp)
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (Om16U)
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#143 you might look into going to a Starting Strenght coach.
Starting Strength is a Rippetoe certified coach
#143 you might look into going to a Starting Strenght coach.
Starting Strength is a Rippetoe certified coach
Posted by: Yo! at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (uPt3V)
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Ya, Girly-Man!
Posted by: Hanz at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (cOwly)
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>>Done properly, works hips, glutes, hamstrings, lower back and core.
Yep, and all without injury.
...
are you guys talking about swinging the kettlebell up from between your legs over head and then back down (or to the side of your head then back down)?
that always looks possibly dangerous to me. Low risk of injury?
Yep, and all without injury.
...
are you guys talking about swinging the kettlebell up from between your legs over head and then back down (or to the side of your head then back down)?
that always looks possibly dangerous to me. Low risk of injury?
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (dciA+)
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I finally web searched and read an article on IF and reassured myself that its beneficial without having to go LCHF. And this is with taking the IF concept pretty lightly. No snacks after an early supper if I do my normal workday eating and skipping supper if I have a heavier than normal lunch and no rules on weekends. Sunday I tried on a pair of jeans I had set aside as too tight and they went on easily, no muffin top. I still have not bought a scale. I'm trying to be better about getting out for a walk during my workday just for sanity and a few exercises to make stuff I like to do easier.
Posted by: Palerider at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (dkExz)
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This is from going relatively hardcore - I eat only dinner, walk a minimum of three miles during my lunch hour, and drink lots of water. It's working for me and I have Ace to thank for starting me down this path.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (wYqpH)
Congratulations man.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (wYqpH)
Congratulations man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 06:56 PM (WV3Yp)
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You could charge city folks to do manual labor and call it a workout.
Oh HELLz to the NOz. Then I'd miss out on all my GAINz. For example - I almost gained a Heat Stroke Saturday.
Sunday wasn't as a good - I just did Sakrete curls and Concrete Mixer Presses, combined with some low intensity Wax On Wax Off Concrete Finishing Yoga. I kept looking up - did not see an old awesome looking car to claim anywhere. Kind of a pisser. Never like that old bastard.
So - GAINZ - a 4'x10' concrete pad to build stairs on next weekend.
Oh HELLz to the NOz. Then I'd miss out on all my GAINz. For example - I almost gained a Heat Stroke Saturday.
Sunday wasn't as a good - I just did Sakrete curls and Concrete Mixer Presses, combined with some low intensity Wax On Wax Off Concrete Finishing Yoga. I kept looking up - did not see an old awesome looking car to claim anywhere. Kind of a pisser. Never like that old bastard.
So - GAINZ - a 4'x10' concrete pad to build stairs on next weekend.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 06:56 PM (fiGNd)
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I still don't understand what ketosis is, is it like when I quit drinking for a few weeks and then feel pretty good?
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:52 PM (y0er3)
Thank you, I set 220 as a goal at the start. My wife tried to get me to pick an easier goal. I was on blood pressure and reflux meds and those are gone now. It was hard to start but once I got over the first part it got easier. I am now aiming for 200.
Thank you, I set 220 as a goal at the start. My wife tried to get me to pick an easier goal. I was on blood pressure and reflux meds and those are gone now. It was hard to start but once I got over the first part it got easier. I am now aiming for 200.
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (y0er3)
I do those!
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:53 PM (Q5Ymk)
I have a 35 lb kettle bell. If I can't get to the gym, I have a couple of Zuzka Light kettle bell workouts (she's all over youtube) - 15 minutes long - that absolutely wear my ass out. Super cardio with the added bonus of weight work and hip-hinge work.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:50 PM (y0er3)
I do those!
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:53 PM (Q5Ymk)
I have a 35 lb kettle bell. If I can't get to the gym, I have a couple of Zuzka Light kettle bell workouts (she's all over youtube) - 15 minutes long - that absolutely wear my ass out. Super cardio with the added bonus of weight work and hip-hinge work.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (y0er3)
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I think about yoga pants, actually yoga not so much
Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (0G2eQ)
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I lost 26 pounds last week when my gangrenous leg dropped off. Go leprosy diet!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (uz/Pv)
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I was talking strictly about the benefits from deadlifts. I have no familiarity with the kettlebells.
I was talking strictly about the benefits from deadlifts. I have no familiarity with the kettlebells.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (XGqPs)
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The weight continues to come off, thanks to the Horde. I started intermittent fasting on 5 July, and as of today I dropped 37 lbs.
Clothes I hadn't worn in years now fit.
Women now pretend to be interested in what I'm saying.
The journey ain't over - I have another 30 lbs to go before I get comfortable, but there's a great psychological boost to know that I'm past the halfway point.
This is from going relatively hardcore - I eat only dinner, walk a minimum of three miles during my lunch hour, and drink lots of water. It's working for me and I have Ace to thank for starting me down this path.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (wYqpH)
Damn!
Clothes I hadn't worn in years now fit.
Women now pretend to be interested in what I'm saying.
The journey ain't over - I have another 30 lbs to go before I get comfortable, but there's a great psychological boost to know that I'm past the halfway point.
This is from going relatively hardcore - I eat only dinner, walk a minimum of three miles during my lunch hour, and drink lots of water. It's working for me and I have Ace to thank for starting me down this path.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (wYqpH)
Damn!
Posted by: The Jackhole at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (M+Lyo)
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>>>
Be careful, the other thing he suggests is drastically reduced reps. Like 3 sets of 5 at your near to max for the exercise and doing the full body movements Ace mentioned (Squats, deadlifts, power cleans, etc.) It is kind of different.
i don't do powercleans myself. they look too dangerous to me. i'm doing (or was doing) stronglifts, which basically just subs out bent over rows or pendlay rows for powercleans
Be careful, the other thing he suggests is drastically reduced reps. Like 3 sets of 5 at your near to max for the exercise and doing the full body movements Ace mentioned (Squats, deadlifts, power cleans, etc.) It is kind of different.
i don't do powercleans myself. they look too dangerous to me. i'm doing (or was doing) stronglifts, which basically just subs out bent over rows or pendlay rows for powercleans
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Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (wYqpH)
Keep up the good work! That's great.
Keep up the good work! That's great.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (Q5Ymk)
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Forgot to add the thanks Ace for introducing me to the concept of IF and this thread in general.
Posted by: Palerider at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (dkExz)
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I ate a bag of Rold Gold pretzels (16 servings) and 3 Code Red Mountain Dews the last hour.
Somebody had to step it up on this thread.
Somebody had to step it up on this thread.
Posted by: Pepe at August 29, 2016 06:58 PM (uG7LM)
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are you guys talking about swinging the kettlebell
up from between your legs over head and then back down (or to the side
of your head then back down)?
that always looks possibly dangerous to me. Low risk of injury?
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (dciA+)
No, no, no. Not over the head. Chest high. Don't go higher. Pull up a workout with Zuzka on youtube. Besides being extremely easy on the eyes, she's in killer shape and her technique is flawless. Do what she does, form-wise.
up from between your legs over head and then back down (or to the side
of your head then back down)?
that always looks possibly dangerous to me. Low risk of injury?
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (dciA+)
No, no, no. Not over the head. Chest high. Don't go higher. Pull up a workout with Zuzka on youtube. Besides being extremely easy on the eyes, she's in killer shape and her technique is flawless. Do what she does, form-wise.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:59 PM (y0er3)
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I'm thinking ice cream
Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2016 06:59 PM (0G2eQ)
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I gotta say, I'm looking forward to revisiting these threads when it comes time to do some muscle work. Weight loss by itself is just going to make me look like Pajama Boy.
So keep the tips coming. I started working on the heavy bag but since I have no technique I'm not sure it's very effective. Anyone have any simple beginner hints?
So keep the tips coming. I started working on the heavy bag but since I have no technique I'm not sure it's very effective. Anyone have any simple beginner hints?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:00 PM (wYqpH)
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btw, has anyone had this good result?
I don't really give a shit about carbs anymore.
It is like a drug addiction -- once you're off them for a while, they just don't lure you like they used to.
(That doesn't mean they're not good or that I don't ever want them -- I just don't crave them and it's no big deal to go without.)
I don't really give a shit about carbs anymore.
It is like a drug addiction -- once you're off them for a while, they just don't lure you like they used to.
(That doesn't mean they're not good or that I don't ever want them -- I just don't crave them and it's no big deal to go without.)
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)
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So, I think y'all have sold me on the intermittent fasting. Is there a program you recommend? I have only caught bits and pieces of these threads this summer. I was offline a good deal.
Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 07:01 PM (9nt94)
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Anyone have any simple beginner hints?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:00 PM (wYqpH)
Exhale when lifting, always.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:00 PM (wYqpH)
Exhale when lifting, always.
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 07:01 PM (Om16U)
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>>>So, I think y'all have sold me on the intermittent fasting. Is there a program you recommend? I have only caught bits and pieces of these threads this summer. I was offline a good deal.
i'll put up a post on it this week. I wrote emails to a friend asking, so it won't be too hard to clean those up and put them up.
i'll put up a post on it this week. I wrote emails to a friend asking, so it won't be too hard to clean those up and put them up.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (dciA+)
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wow so many awesome losers (in the best way) here!
great job on the weight loss guys!!!
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (Om16U)
You are all Moron losers, every one!
great job on the weight loss guys!!!
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 06:55 PM (Om16U)
You are all Moron losers, every one!
Posted by: LizLem at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (hvf9s)
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I've lost about 8 pounds sitting on the couch in my PJs and eating Percocet.
Posted by: Weasel at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (Sfs6o)
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Anyone have any simple beginner hints?
Do not drop the weight on your head. Neck isn't good either.
Do not drop the weight on your head. Neck isn't good either.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (fiGNd)
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Ace, I think we know someone who can work your powerful glutes.
Posted by: sexypig at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (UBBWX)
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 06:57 PM (y0er3)
You're tougher than me. I only do that at the gym with the trainer watching. If I can't go to the gym I will do modified burpees and mountain climbers and walk up the hills in the grapes. I also swim when it's warm outside.
I've had neck surgery, I don't want another one.
You're tougher than me. I only do that at the gym with the trainer watching. If I can't go to the gym I will do modified burpees and mountain climbers and walk up the hills in the grapes. I also swim when it's warm outside.
I've had neck surgery, I don't want another one.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (Q5Ymk)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (XGqPs)
Posted by: Yo! at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (uPt3V)
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Did you pick your stairs out ScroggDog? Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (6Ll1u)
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Didn't work out at all last week. Intend to get back at it after work tonight, so bye bye ONT for a while if i can stick with it.
Didn't gain or lose any weight either.
Did get diagnosed with mildly low testosterone along with a vitamin D deficiency, so I've stayed the shots. Can't say yet my attitude is much better, but that fatigued or always run down feeling seems to have subsided.
Didn't gain or lose any weight either.
Did get diagnosed with mildly low testosterone along with a vitamin D deficiency, so I've stayed the shots. Can't say yet my attitude is much better, but that fatigued or always run down feeling seems to have subsided.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (EbPm5)
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btw, has anyone had this good result?
I don't really give a shit about carbs anymore.
It is like a drug addiction -- once you're off them for a while, they just don't lure you like they used to.
Definitely. The first week was hell, but I got through it. The second week I was leading a troop at Boy Scout summer camp and I was burning so much anyway that I didn't think about carbs. By the third week my appetite had decreased so much that my dinners...the one meal I allowed myself...were tiny, and I had lost my sweet tooth.
My biggest weaknesses were cheesecake and tiramisu, and now I have no interest in them. Same with bread. It's great.
But yeah, getting here sucked, but I'm glad I stuck it out.
I don't really give a shit about carbs anymore.
It is like a drug addiction -- once you're off them for a while, they just don't lure you like they used to.
Definitely. The first week was hell, but I got through it. The second week I was leading a troop at Boy Scout summer camp and I was burning so much anyway that I didn't think about carbs. By the third week my appetite had decreased so much that my dinners...the one meal I allowed myself...were tiny, and I had lost my sweet tooth.
My biggest weaknesses were cheesecake and tiramisu, and now I have no interest in them. Same with bread. It's great.
But yeah, getting here sucked, but I'm glad I stuck it out.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (wYqpH)
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i liked magoo's explanation of the deadlift as simulteously a pull and a push
is it useful to think about it as sitting back to bring the weight up?
is it useful to think about it as sitting back to bring the weight up?
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (dciA+)
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So I'm 268-271, I went off the rails this weekend with drinking but up until today kept up with high fat, medium proteinz and low carbs. Woke up with a massive hangover and gorged on not good stuff.
Lifting wise I'm in week 3 of my program. Getting stronger little by little. I did pull my goddamn hamstring play ball this weekend so that really sucked.
Also ace, Kelley Starrett knows his shit, I have his book I should probably start reading it again.
Lifting wise I'm in week 3 of my program. Getting stronger little by little. I did pull my goddamn hamstring play ball this weekend so that really sucked.
Also ace, Kelley Starrett knows his shit, I have his book I should probably start reading it again.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (R5HRU)
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"Anyone know about resting? Seriously, at what point is the diminishing returns on working out. Can I break for 3-4 days without losing too much gained strength?
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (U+nHb) "
Figuring out a proper rest schedule is, to me, one of the toughest parts of strength training. But yes, you absolutely need some rest days - you shouldn't be doing heavy lifts 5 or 6 days a week.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (U+nHb) "
Figuring out a proper rest schedule is, to me, one of the toughest parts of strength training. But yes, you absolutely need some rest days - you shouldn't be doing heavy lifts 5 or 6 days a week.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (kumBu)
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Since Ace began blogging about intermittent fasting and LCHP eating, I've lost 25 lbs, moving ever closer to transforming from Lard Boy to a mere fat bastard. I'd tweaked my back doing half-assed Rippetoe and took up 5x5. Doing so is helping me get back to using proper form while my back heals using lesser weights.
I'd always heard that the way to get off the weight yo-yo is sustainable lifestyle changes. Not there yet, but this lifestyle seems sustainable and I won't obsess over plateaus or hitting goal and backsliding into bad habits. The key is to find system and work it through thick and thin.
I'd like to thank Ace and his posters for their ideas and insights for helping me to develop a system that works for me.
I'd always heard that the way to get off the weight yo-yo is sustainable lifestyle changes. Not there yet, but this lifestyle seems sustainable and I won't obsess over plateaus or hitting goal and backsliding into bad habits. The key is to find system and work it through thick and thin.
I'd like to thank Ace and his posters for their ideas and insights for helping me to develop a system that works for me.
Posted by: Regular Joe at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (ROIz5)
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The Rev and I were planning on joining a fitness center close to our new home, somewhere we could walk and stretch and do what old people do when they join a fitness center.
Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
Yeah, no. I guess we'll just be poofy.
Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
Yeah, no. I guess we'll just be poofy.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (dFi94)
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Hey Broseidon,
Glad the magnesium chloride is working well for you. My DOMS has been greatly reduced...beginning about 7-10 days after I started taking it.
I took Brak's advice a couple of weeks ago...I'm deadlifting every other Friday now, swapping with Rack Pulls in the off weeks. My deadlifts aren't suffering, in fact, they're improving, because my hamstrings are fresh on Mondays when I squat.
As a result, I'm getting better in all 3 exercises -- who knew?! Well, Brak knew.
Brak - thanks for sharing the wisdom!
Glad the magnesium chloride is working well for you. My DOMS has been greatly reduced...beginning about 7-10 days after I started taking it.
I took Brak's advice a couple of weeks ago...I'm deadlifting every other Friday now, swapping with Rack Pulls in the off weeks. My deadlifts aren't suffering, in fact, they're improving, because my hamstrings are fresh on Mondays when I squat.
As a result, I'm getting better in all 3 exercises -- who knew?! Well, Brak knew.
Brak - thanks for sharing the wisdom!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (y0er3)
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It's like I don't even know you people anymore. Oh, very well:
I saw Supple Leopard on tour as the opening act for Maynard Ferguson in St. Lucia in '82.
I saw Supple Leopard on tour as the opening act for Maynard Ferguson in St. Lucia in '82.
Posted by: goatexchange at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (YFnq5)
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Thanks, ace. I appreciate it.
Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 07:05 PM (9nt94)
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Fine.
I was thinking about arm & leg weights.
Never done deadlifts but I guess that makes sense
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/breathing-during-weight-training.html/
I was thinking about arm & leg weights.
Never done deadlifts but I guess that makes sense
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/breathing-during-weight-training.html/
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 07:05 PM (Om16U)
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"But nothing beats the deadlift as far as compound lifts go. Plus it's fun to "grip and rip" hundreds of pounds off the floor with your back!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (XGqPs) "
Agreed! You get to lift a lot more than you probably thought you were ever capable of - seeing the bar 'bow out' is fun, too.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 06:36 PM (XGqPs) "
Agreed! You get to lift a lot more than you probably thought you were ever capable of - seeing the bar 'bow out' is fun, too.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:05 PM (kumBu)
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"Then you stop and measure - and it's only two inches deep. Then you dig
some more. Maybe we should call it Scrape Indiana Clay That Hates You
to an Exact Depth While Having Your Hopes Pissed On."
Rent a demolition hammer with a clay spade attachment.
SO worth the money. And I say this as a notorious cheap bastard.
some more. Maybe we should call it Scrape Indiana Clay That Hates You
to an Exact Depth While Having Your Hopes Pissed On."
Rent a demolition hammer with a clay spade attachment.
SO worth the money. And I say this as a notorious cheap bastard.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 29, 2016 07:05 PM (noWW6)
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I wasn't really craving carbs. I just had nothing else in the house to eat and no money to buy anything else, so yes-the longer I stay off carbs the easier it is to resist them
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (6HqlZ)
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Posted by: Regular Joe at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (ROIz5)
Congrats! Stick with it. Like you said, it's a lifestyle thing. A diet by itself isn't going to work because once you hit the goal weight, you're going to backslide. Good job finding something that worked for you!
Congrats! Stick with it. Like you said, it's a lifestyle thing. A diet by itself isn't going to work because once you hit the goal weight, you're going to backslide. Good job finding something that worked for you!
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (wYqpH)
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You're tougher than me. I only do that at the gym
with the trainer watching. If I can't go to the gym I will do modified
burpees and mountain climbers and walk up the hills in the grapes. I
also swim when it's warm outside.
I've had neck surgery, I don't want another one.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (Q5Ymk)
With what you're doing, you sound like you're in fantastic shape!
Our goals are a little different, that's all.
with the trainer watching. If I can't go to the gym I will do modified
burpees and mountain climbers and walk up the hills in the grapes. I
also swim when it's warm outside.
I've had neck surgery, I don't want another one.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 07:02 PM (Q5Ymk)
With what you're doing, you sound like you're in fantastic shape!
Our goals are a little different, that's all.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (y0er3)
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Neither gain nor loss, really not trying for anything but toning. Almost finished first month without cigarettes, thanks to Aces lectures and Governor of Pennsylvania tax increase. Vaping for nicotine is fine. No withdrawal symptoms. No hacking up crap every morning, either.
Discovered something that weight lifters know about, citrulline - natural stuff. Supposed to be good for lifting but more importantly it's a vasodilator. Every man over 35 should research the 'v' word. Good blood flow with low blood pressure keeps the veins, arteries, heart, muscles, and brain working. Oh yeah, the weiner, too. Blue veiner stuff. Seriously guys, it's critical. Andrew B might still be around if he had the right natural vasodilator centered physician. Do the research, it's out there. Natural sources in foods and spices are everywhere. Can't hurt lady parts, either, but men are more likely to have the cardiac event sooner in life. My grandfather was dead before he hit the ER at 55.
My BP dropped 10 points, both sides within hour of first consumption. More energy, brain sharper within days. Tastes fine, fairly cheap. Available on Amazon. Cost maybe .50 per day. Cheapest heart attack Insurance you can buy.
Ask your physician. Better yet, tell your physician. They don't know it all. They can hardly keep up with the research. They want to reach for the prescription pad but there are natural alternatives.
Discovered something that weight lifters know about, citrulline - natural stuff. Supposed to be good for lifting but more importantly it's a vasodilator. Every man over 35 should research the 'v' word. Good blood flow with low blood pressure keeps the veins, arteries, heart, muscles, and brain working. Oh yeah, the weiner, too. Blue veiner stuff. Seriously guys, it's critical. Andrew B might still be around if he had the right natural vasodilator centered physician. Do the research, it's out there. Natural sources in foods and spices are everywhere. Can't hurt lady parts, either, but men are more likely to have the cardiac event sooner in life. My grandfather was dead before he hit the ER at 55.
My BP dropped 10 points, both sides within hour of first consumption. More energy, brain sharper within days. Tastes fine, fairly cheap. Available on Amazon. Cost maybe .50 per day. Cheapest heart attack Insurance you can buy.
Ask your physician. Better yet, tell your physician. They don't know it all. They can hardly keep up with the research. They want to reach for the prescription pad but there are natural alternatives.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (ZFUt7)
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Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
Where in the world is that? I pay $10/month and it is a 24 hour gym.
Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
Where in the world is that? I pay $10/month and it is a 24 hour gym.
Posted by: jj at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (yYOmC)
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I'm thinking ice cream
Posted by: Skip
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
With LOTS of dark chocolate chunks.
I'm thinking ice cream
Posted by: Skip
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
With LOTS of dark chocolate chunks.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (zu88C)
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seriously y'alls don't do deadlifts without a coach or a guy who really seems to know what he's doing patiently working on you until you're in the right position
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (dciA+)
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196 The Rev and I were planning on joining a fitness center close to our new home, somewhere we could walk and stretch and do what old people do when they join a fitness center.
Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
Yeah, no. I guess we'll just be poofy.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (dFi94)
That is insane. I am not one who likes working out around other people that much. I like seeing toned women as much as the next guy. But $1600? I see hot women at the dog park for free. And I already know something about them, they love their dogs and like to get outside.
Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
Yeah, no. I guess we'll just be poofy.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (dFi94)
That is insane. I am not one who likes working out around other people that much. I like seeing toned women as much as the next guy. But $1600? I see hot women at the dog park for free. And I already know something about them, they love their dogs and like to get outside.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (WV3Yp)
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We ate our own weight in marshmallows.
Posted by: Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (89T5c)
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Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (dFi94)
Do you have a Senior Citizens group new you? For my community you only have to be 55 to join. The often offer exercise classes at a reduced fee to seniors after you pay some minimal fee.
Do you have a Senior Citizens group new you? For my community you only have to be 55 to join. The often offer exercise classes at a reduced fee to seniors after you pay some minimal fee.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (6HqlZ)
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203 Agreed. I didn't really think about it when I made a conscious effort to eliminate carbs, but it really does get easier to resist them after a couple of weeks.
Posted by: Weasel at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (Sfs6o)
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We all heard them say "Breathe!"
But guess what? That's not good.
We were always told to exhale during the concentric phase of the lift and inhale during the eccentric phase.
It's okay to hold your breath while doing a set. Look, if you're doing really low weight, it really doesn't matter how you breath. But if you're really weight-resistance training with a high RPE, you need to brace your back properly, and you do that by holding your breath.
We all heard them say "Breathe!"
But guess what? That's not good.
We were always told to exhale during the concentric phase of the lift and inhale during the eccentric phase.
It's okay to hold your breath while doing a set. Look, if you're doing really low weight, it really doesn't matter how you breath. But if you're really weight-resistance training with a high RPE, you need to brace your back properly, and you do that by holding your breath.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:09 PM (XGqPs)
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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/breathing-during-weight-training.html/
Posted by: @votermom
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
votermom!
You are a fan of teh Lylez???
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/breathing-during-weight-training.html/
Posted by: @votermom
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
votermom!
You are a fan of teh Lylez???
Posted by: Mortimer at August 29, 2016 07:09 PM (zu88C)
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Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:03 PM (wYqpH)
Doesn't food taste better too? I had some fruit and it tastes sweeter I think because I haven't been eating sugar.
Doesn't food taste better too? I had some fruit and it tastes sweeter I think because I haven't been eating sugar.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 07:09 PM (Q5Ymk)
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>>>Discovered something that weight lifters know about, citrulline - natural stuff. Supposed to be good for lifting but more importantly it's a vasodilator. Every man over 35 should research the 'v' word. Good blood flow with low blood pressure keeps the veins, arteries, heart, muscles, and brain working. Oh yeah, the weiner, too. Blue veiner stuff. Seriously guys, it's critical. Andrew B might still be around if he had the right natural vasodilator centered physician.
i'm trying that. I think seems legit recommended it last week
he had me at "harder bonerz"
i'm trying that. I think seems legit recommended it last week
he had me at "harder bonerz"
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:09 PM (dciA+)
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Did you pick your stairs out ScroggDog? Inquiring minds want to know.
After much research - I learned that steel stringers are for bastards that really, really like their stairs. They have a passion for stairs that far exceeds my own.
And you know - that decision slightly disappointed MrsScogg. Which, when you think about it, fits in with her entire time with me.
So - my 2"x12" stringers with composite treads WILL BE A REAL LIFE METAPHOR OF OUR ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP !!!
Romantic, eh ?
After much research - I learned that steel stringers are for bastards that really, really like their stairs. They have a passion for stairs that far exceeds my own.
And you know - that decision slightly disappointed MrsScogg. Which, when you think about it, fits in with her entire time with me.
So - my 2"x12" stringers with composite treads WILL BE A REAL LIFE METAPHOR OF OUR ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP !!!
Romantic, eh ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:09 PM (fiGNd)
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make that "near" you.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:09 PM (6HqlZ)
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i have not noticed any Boner GAINZ however
oh I'm also taking chondroiten and MSM and glucosamine on moron recommendations
oh I'm also taking chondroiten and MSM and glucosamine on moron recommendations
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:10 PM (dciA+)
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"Anyone know about resting? Seriously, at what point is the diminishing
returns on working out. Can I break for 3-4 days without losing too much
gained strength?
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (U+nHb) "
Figuring
out a proper rest schedule is, to me, one of the toughest parts of
strength training. But yes, you absolutely need some rest days - you
shouldn't be doing heavy lifts 5 or 6 days a week.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (kumBu)
Taking a week completely OFF is the worst thing a strength athlete can do.
Instead, do what we call "De-loading."
Slash your weights to 50 percent of what you're doing normally, and perform only 8-10 repetitions. 3 sets. That's it. You won't feel exhausted when you leave the gym, and your body will recover way more quickly.
And if you have to de-load more often. As Broseidon said, it's tricky at first, at your de-load intervals will vary. I probably de-load, on average, every six weeks...but even that is situationally dependent.
"Anyone know about resting? Seriously, at what point is the diminishing
returns on working out. Can I break for 3-4 days without losing too much
gained strength?
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 06:39 PM (U+nHb) "
Figuring
out a proper rest schedule is, to me, one of the toughest parts of
strength training. But yes, you absolutely need some rest days - you
shouldn't be doing heavy lifts 5 or 6 days a week.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (kumBu)
Taking a week completely OFF is the worst thing a strength athlete can do.
Instead, do what we call "De-loading."
Slash your weights to 50 percent of what you're doing normally, and perform only 8-10 repetitions. 3 sets. That's it. You won't feel exhausted when you leave the gym, and your body will recover way more quickly.
And if you have to de-load more often. As Broseidon said, it's tricky at first, at your de-load intervals will vary. I probably de-load, on average, every six weeks...but even that is situationally dependent.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:10 PM (y0er3)
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My warm up consists of between 15-30 minutes on a Concept 2 Rower set at 10 with 30/31 strokes a minute.
If your entire body isn't ready to roll after that, then you haven't done it right.
If your entire body isn't ready to roll after that, then you haven't done it right.
Posted by: Dansgirls at August 29, 2016 07:11 PM (xBbs+)
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Where in the world is that? I pay $10/month and it is a 24 hour gym.
Posted by: jj at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (yYOmC)
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I have a fitness center here at my old house for $10/month as well. I think it's an awesome deal! But my new home is in Lake Geneva WI which is a resort town for rich people that come up to "the country" from Chicago. Mega millionaires. Which we are not.
Posted by: jj at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (yYOmC)
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I have a fitness center here at my old house for $10/month as well. I think it's an awesome deal! But my new home is in Lake Geneva WI which is a resort town for rich people that come up to "the country" from Chicago. Mega millionaires. Which we are not.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:11 PM (dFi94)
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Yep, not caring about carbs at all. It's great not thinking about eating sweets all the time. Don't miss potatoes, rice, bread or candy. It's interesting how much I USE to think of/want that stuff.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:11 PM (U+nHb)
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Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (dFi94)
Fenelon is right. My mother and my aunt go to the senior center and take a tai chi class. The YMCA has classes as well. Your parks and recreation may have some classes too.
Fenelon is right. My mother and my aunt go to the senior center and take a tai chi class. The YMCA has classes as well. Your parks and recreation may have some classes too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 07:11 PM (Q5Ymk)
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>>>My warm up consists of between 15-30 minutes on a Concept 2 Rower set at 10 with 30/31 strokes a minute.
If your entire body isn't ready to roll after that, then you haven't done it right.
...
that's not really a warm up tho. that's cardio.
If your entire body isn't ready to roll after that, then you haven't done it right.
...
that's not really a warm up tho. that's cardio.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:12 PM (dciA+)
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"Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:04 PM (y0er3) "
Might have to try that. I've never done rack pulls before, just rack squats.
Might have to try that. I've never done rack pulls before, just rack squats.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:12 PM (kumBu)
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Maybe not helpful, but here it is- I tried eating supper and it was so salty it was inedible. The wife insisted it was unsalted. Huh.
Internet searching showed saltiness can be caused by sinus drainage. Odd, but how does that apply?.
Curling my tongue to the back of my mouth it was like licking a salt block back there.
Boogers are naturally salty, but not noticeably so. Dehydrated boogers are extra salty. If you wonder if you need more water you might try that- see if the back of your mouth is salty. Based on a sample of 1, it works if you have sinus drainage.
Internet searching showed saltiness can be caused by sinus drainage. Odd, but how does that apply?.
Curling my tongue to the back of my mouth it was like licking a salt block back there.
Boogers are naturally salty, but not noticeably so. Dehydrated boogers are extra salty. If you wonder if you need more water you might try that- see if the back of your mouth is salty. Based on a sample of 1, it works if you have sinus drainage.
Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (row6V)
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is it useful to think about it as sitting back to bring the weight up?
Well, you're not sitting back when you start the lift, because now you're pushing down on the floor engaging your legs. Plus, remember, you want your hips high.
But you're pulling the bar back towards you, as you lift, which you might be confusing with 'sitting back.'
is it useful to think about it as sitting back to bring the weight up?
Well, you're not sitting back when you start the lift, because now you're pushing down on the floor engaging your legs. Plus, remember, you want your hips high.
But you're pulling the bar back towards you, as you lift, which you might be confusing with 'sitting back.'
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Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 07:05 PM (Om16U)
Nothing builds a sexy bottom and killer legs for women like deadlifts and squats. For the women, aim for no more than 50 percent of bodyweight for 15 reps. Less to start, (weight) so you don't hurt yourself.
Nothing builds a sexy bottom and killer legs for women like deadlifts and squats. For the women, aim for no more than 50 percent of bodyweight for 15 reps. Less to start, (weight) so you don't hurt yourself.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (y0er3)
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Thanks Broseiden and Sixkiller
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (U+nHb)
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oh I'm also taking chondroiten and MSM and glucosamine on moron recommendations
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:10 PM (dciA+)
I found those really worked well when I was running. As I do not seem to be getting killed in the joints with the rowing machine, I have held off this go round and have not noticed any problems.
I do love this rowing machine (except my ass hates it.)
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:10 PM (dciA+)
I found those really worked well when I was running. As I do not seem to be getting killed in the joints with the rowing machine, I have held off this go round and have not noticed any problems.
I do love this rowing machine (except my ass hates it.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (WV3Yp)
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Do you have a Senior Citizens group new you? For my
community you only have to be 55 to join. The often offer exercise
classes at a reduced fee to seniors after you pay some minimal fee.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (6HqlZ)
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They do have some sort of rec program for oldsters at the community center. Kind of lame though. Like 'Stretch Class', meets Tuesdays from 10 to 10:30, for three weeks.
community you only have to be 55 to join. The often offer exercise
classes at a reduced fee to seniors after you pay some minimal fee.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:08 PM (6HqlZ)
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They do have some sort of rec program for oldsters at the community center. Kind of lame though. Like 'Stretch Class', meets Tuesdays from 10 to 10:30, for three weeks.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (dFi94)
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What sucks is living with someone who - and I'm not naming names here but her initials are WEASELWOMAN - can eat 3 M&Ms and be content,
Posted by: Weasel at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (Sfs6o)
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Discovered something that weight lifters know about, citrulline - natural stuff.
What kind of dosage do you take? I see a variety of powders, pills, etc...
What kind of dosage do you take? I see a variety of powders, pills, etc...
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (wYqpH)
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"My warm up consists of between 15-30 minutes on a Concept 2 Rower set at 10 with 30/31 strokes a minute.
If your entire body isn't ready to roll after that, then you haven't done it right."
And my warm-down is on a incline treadmill set at 27-30% for another 15-30 minutes at 2.8mph.
Dan
If your entire body isn't ready to roll after that, then you haven't done it right."
And my warm-down is on a incline treadmill set at 27-30% for another 15-30 minutes at 2.8mph.
Dan
Posted by: Dansgirls at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (xBbs+)
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my warm up is just some mobilization work (stretching, you would say) and then five or six minutes of brisk treadmill to get the heart up to 130.
then I do a few very low weight sets of whatever exercise I'm doing to get my body used to the form
then I do a few very low weight sets of whatever exercise I'm doing to get my body used to the form
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:14 PM (dciA+)
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Sup Weasel ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:14 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:14 PM (XGqPs)
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Well Scrog, you still got wood, *rim shot*.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 29, 2016 07:15 PM (6Ll1u)
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Ask your physician. Better yet, tell your physician.
They don't know it all. They can hardly keep up with the research. They
want to reach for the prescription pad but there are natural
alternatives.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (ZFUt7)
L-Citrulline is a common Nitric Oxide pre-workout, available over the counter, even in Walmart, or on-line. Great selections at bodybuilding.com and DPSnutrition.net.
They don't know it all. They can hardly keep up with the research. They
want to reach for the prescription pad but there are natural
alternatives.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (ZFUt7)
L-Citrulline is a common Nitric Oxide pre-workout, available over the counter, even in Walmart, or on-line. Great selections at bodybuilding.com and DPSnutrition.net.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:15 PM (y0er3)
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CaliGirl - I hadn't thought of the YMCA. I'll have to check and see if they have one out there. I would imagine there would have to be something somewhere.
Contrary to the Lake Geneva Chamber of Commerce, I am not a member of the DuPont Family.
Contrary to the Lake Geneva Chamber of Commerce, I am not a member of the DuPont Family.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:15 PM (dFi94)
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For the women, aim for no more than 50 percent of bodyweight for 15 reps. Less to start, (weight) so you don't hurt yourself.
Man, I long for the days when my body weight was my warm-up rep. I should have appreciated it more then.
Man, I long for the days when my body weight was my warm-up rep. I should have appreciated it more then.
Posted by: no good deed at August 29, 2016 07:16 PM (9nt94)
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 07:16 PM (Om16U)
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For wet towel level boner push ups, something called 'Ready Man', plus two grams Citrulline is the ticket. Both Amazon. Both natural vasodilators.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:16 PM (ZFUt7)
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:07 PM (y0er3)
I can't recommend exercise enough. My back still hurts all the time but I feel so much better.
I can't recommend exercise enough. My back still hurts all the time but I feel so much better.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (Q5Ymk)
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Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (dFi94)
I volunteer at the local food pantry. OnTuesday. They have some Senior group that's all women and one man over 50. They do dance routines with costumes and take the shows around to different groups. It's great; They have one woman in there who's 98 and she's still dancing but I can't going because i don't reside in that community.
I volunteer at the local food pantry. OnTuesday. They have some Senior group that's all women and one man over 50. They do dance routines with costumes and take the shows around to different groups. It's great; They have one woman in there who's 98 and she's still dancing but I can't going because i don't reside in that community.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (6HqlZ)
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>>>i have not noticed any Boner GAINZ however
ZMA before bed.
...
zma is just a t-booster, right?
i've got a couple of t-boosters; no real boner gainz.
i've got increased libido tho.
but... meh. Who wants increased libido? Kind of a pain in the ass.
I'll take decreased libido with increased performance.
ZMA before bed.
...
zma is just a t-booster, right?
i've got a couple of t-boosters; no real boner gainz.
i've got increased libido tho.
but... meh. Who wants increased libido? Kind of a pain in the ass.
I'll take decreased libido with increased performance.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (XGqPs)
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The Y is usually great if you are a swimmer, which is wonderful for seniors.
Posted by: @votermom at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (Om16U)
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And yes, as others have said, the kettlebell swings are good for getting used to the 'hip hinge' motion that you use for deadlifts, but with a lot less weight involved.
With a proper deadlift, the power is coming from your legs, glutes, etc. - your arms are really just along for the ride, with the exception that you need to be able to grip the bar (obviously). But you can use straps if you're having grip strength issues and you still want to go up in weight. And when you're ready to drop the straps, chalk helps with grip issues.
With a proper deadlift, the power is coming from your legs, glutes, etc. - your arms are really just along for the ride, with the exception that you need to be able to grip the bar (obviously). But you can use straps if you're having grip strength issues and you still want to go up in weight. And when you're ready to drop the straps, chalk helps with grip issues.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (kumBu)
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ZMA helps promote better deeper sleep.
ZMA helps promote better deeper sleep.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (XGqPs)
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Sleep is key for recovery.
Sleep is key for recovery.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (XGqPs)
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Called one center. $1600 per person, per year. Called another center: $1495 per person, per year.
That's highway robbery, grammie. For that kind of money you could equip your own home gym.
That's highway robbery, grammie. For that kind of money you could equip your own home gym.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (0mRoj)
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For wet towel level boner push ups, something called 'Ready Man', plus two grams Citrulline is the ticket.
I just check out a little Melissa Joan Hart. I guess I'm a freak like that.
I just check out a little Melissa Joan Hart. I guess I'm a freak like that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (fiGNd)
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'Sup Scogg? Got an email today from the guys at Borden - I think they have an Indiana State mid-range match coming up soon. It's a 2 day event but you could head over for just part if that better fits your schedule.
I'm kind of laid up and recovering from a little procedure for a few weeks so it looks like the shooting season is about over for me. I will miss the US Nationals at the end of September in Wisconsin but may enter some regional matches in late fall or early winter.
I'm kind of laid up and recovering from a little procedure for a few weeks so it looks like the shooting season is about over for me. I will miss the US Nationals at the end of September in Wisconsin but may enter some regional matches in late fall or early winter.
Posted by: Weasel at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (Sfs6o)
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zma is just a t-booster, right?
i've got a couple of t-boosters; no real boner gainz.
i've got increased libido tho.
but... meh. Who wants increased libido? Kind of a pain in the ass.
I'll take decreased libido with increased performance.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (dciA+)
Lol. Libido gain is pretty much a benefit of cardio and losing weight, in my experience. No real need for extra chemicals there.
i've got a couple of t-boosters; no real boner gainz.
i've got increased libido tho.
but... meh. Who wants increased libido? Kind of a pain in the ass.
I'll take decreased libido with increased performance.
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:17 PM (dciA+)
Lol. Libido gain is pretty much a benefit of cardio and losing weight, in my experience. No real need for extra chemicals there.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (WV3Yp)
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ZMA before bed.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:14 PM (XGqPs)
I started ZMA again this week...in fact, two days ago.
Gotta take a break and eat. My eating cycle is ending soon.
Grilled chicken, broccoli, grape tomatoes, and baby bell peppers on the menu tonight!
And Ace is correct - I don't miss the 'bad carbs' at all.
Later folks.
Jeez I love this thread!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:14 PM (XGqPs)
I started ZMA again this week...in fact, two days ago.
Gotta take a break and eat. My eating cycle is ending soon.
Grilled chicken, broccoli, grape tomatoes, and baby bell peppers on the menu tonight!
And Ace is correct - I don't miss the 'bad carbs' at all.
Later folks.
Jeez I love this thread!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (y0er3)
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What kind of dosage do you take? I see a variety of powders, pills, etc...Posted by: VA GOP Sucks
Four grams per day. It comes with a two gram scoop. The brand I bought is from Kaged Muscle.
Four grams per day. It comes with a two gram scoop. The brand I bought is from Kaged Muscle.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (ZFUt7)
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Fen - yeah, I have to get more into the community and dig out what is available. I just haven't been able to get out there as much as I would have liked to by this point. I've mainly been stuck here most of the time for this reason and that.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (dFi94)
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I have plenty of libido, just nothing worthwhile to use it on.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)
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That's highway robbery, grammie. For that kind of money you could equip your own home gym.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (0mRoj)
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I know, right?!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (0mRoj)
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I know, right?!
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:20 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2016 07:20 PM (0G2eQ)
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I'm kind of laid up and recovering from a little procedure for a few weeks so it looks like the shooting season is about over for me.
I saw your post about the ticker. Glad you're hanging in there.
Drop me a line when you're feeling bored.
I saw your post about the ticker. Glad you're hanging in there.
Drop me a line when you're feeling bored.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:20 PM (fiGNd)
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261 I have plenty of libido, just nothing worthwhile to use it on.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)
You did not say that last night!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)
You did not say that last night!
Posted by: Rosie at August 29, 2016 07:20 PM (WV3Yp)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (6HqlZ)
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Ace -- "that's not really a warm up tho. that's cardio"
True, but every single trainer in my gym uses it in place of a stretch and it makes sense. It hits every part of your body that counts in a stretch; arms/shoulders/back/legs/ankles.
I've replaced stretching with Rowing and I haven't experienced any issues in over 1 1/2 years of exercise/lifting.
You should give it a try, supple leopard.
You should give it a try.
True, but every single trainer in my gym uses it in place of a stretch and it makes sense. It hits every part of your body that counts in a stretch; arms/shoulders/back/legs/ankles.
I've replaced stretching with Rowing and I haven't experienced any issues in over 1 1/2 years of exercise/lifting.
You should give it a try, supple leopard.
You should give it a try.
Posted by: Dansgirls at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (xBbs+)
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the preworkout powders I use have Citrulline Malate in them -- that's the only time I take it
That, and caffeine, and other goodies to give me a little energy, focus, and PuMp!
the preworkout powders I use have Citrulline Malate in them -- that's the only time I take it
That, and caffeine, and other goodies to give me a little energy, focus, and PuMp!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (XGqPs)
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I know, right?!
Grammie ... I'm actually going serious on you for a second.
Take a look at Bayou Fitness. They make a knock-off Total Gym. I've had one for a couple years. Really, really like it. I use it a couple times a week - it's a nice total body workout.
Won't store under your couch though. And they don't make it in yellow.
Grammie ... I'm actually going serious on you for a second.
Take a look at Bayou Fitness. They make a knock-off Total Gym. I've had one for a couple years. Really, really like it. I use it a couple times a week - it's a nice total body workout.
Won't store under your couch though. And they don't make it in yellow.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:22 PM (fiGNd)
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You should give it a try, supple leopard.
You should give it a try.
Posted by: Dansgirls at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (xBbs+)
One thing to keep in mind Ace, the Concept 2 is probably the best piece of equipment I have ever bought, but it is a bit pricey.
You should give it a try.
Posted by: Dansgirls at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (xBbs+)
One thing to keep in mind Ace, the Concept 2 is probably the best piece of equipment I have ever bought, but it is a bit pricey.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 29, 2016 07:23 PM (WV3Yp)
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You should give it a try, supple leopard.
That just cracks me up; What can I say? I'm easily amused. :^)
That just cracks me up; What can I say? I'm easily amused. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:23 PM (6HqlZ)
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266 Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)
You need to get out a little more. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (6HqlZ)
You think?
Doubt it would do much good. I'm out of work, a bit out of shape and middle-ish age. Not exactly a formula for attracting teh wimminz.
You need to get out a little more. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:21 PM (6HqlZ)
You think?
Doubt it would do much good. I'm out of work, a bit out of shape and middle-ish age. Not exactly a formula for attracting teh wimminz.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:23 PM (0mRoj)
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26 will do. Thanks bud.
Went back to the office for about half a day today so the female admin staff doesn't suffer too long without my comedy routine. Right now my biggest complaint is what I think are the side effects from blood thinners. Achey and tired.
Went back to the office for about half a day today so the female admin staff doesn't suffer too long without my comedy routine. Right now my biggest complaint is what I think are the side effects from blood thinners. Achey and tired.
Posted by: Weasel at August 29, 2016 07:23 PM (Sfs6o)
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I have plenty of libido, just nothing worthwhile to use it on.
I hear you.
Come on Japanese Automation Engineers !!!
I hear you.
Come on Japanese Automation Engineers !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:24 PM (fiGNd)
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Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:22 PM (fiGNd)
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Bayou Fitness? Ok I'll take a look.
Favorite color is orange.
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Bayou Fitness? Ok I'll take a look.
Favorite color is orange.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:25 PM (dFi94)
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"I just check out a little Melissa Joan Hart. I guess I'm a freak like that.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (fiGNd) "
I bet you want to do some things to her that even Clarissa can't explain.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (fiGNd) "
I bet you want to do some things to her that even Clarissa can't explain.
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Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:23 PM (0mRoj)
So, unless you're expecting perfection from women they may be somewhatout of shape and middle aged too. You don't need me to cheerlead as to why you would be appealing to women who are looking-and yes, you will get a job. :^)
I sent an e-mail back to you, BTW
So, unless you're expecting perfection from women they may be somewhatout of shape and middle aged too. You don't need me to cheerlead as to why you would be appealing to women who are looking-and yes, you will get a job. :^)
I sent an e-mail back to you, BTW
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:26 PM (6HqlZ)
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262 That's highway robbery, grammie. For that kind of money you could equip your own home gym.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (0mRoj)
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I know, right?!
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:20 PM (dFi94)
If you want to get something like a treadmill and maybe some dumbbells for the house, see if you can find a used sporting goods store in your area. One man's failed New Year's resolution is another man's bargain.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:18 PM (0mRoj)
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I know, right?!
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:20 PM (dFi94)
If you want to get something like a treadmill and maybe some dumbbells for the house, see if you can find a used sporting goods store in your area. One man's failed New Year's resolution is another man's bargain.
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:26 PM (6HqlZ)
Infernal optimists.
I'll read your email and reply much more promptly this time.
Infernal optimists.
I'll read your email and reply much more promptly this time.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:28 PM (0mRoj)
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You might want to look into Functional Movement screening (
http://www.functionalmovement.com/fms) Figure out imbalances all in one
go, as it were, and learn what you need to do to strengthen the weak
spots. This is apparently used a good bit in professional sports to
prevent injury.
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (SuJIo)
Gray Cook....guy is a genius.
Also, check out Gary Gray and the Gray Institute. They have a website and there is free stuff to check out there. You don't have to subscribe.
You might want to look into Functional Movement screening (
http://www.functionalmovement.com/fms) Figure out imbalances all in one
go, as it were, and learn what you need to do to strengthen the weak
spots. This is apparently used a good bit in professional sports to
prevent injury.
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 29, 2016 06:40 PM (SuJIo)
Gray Cook....guy is a genius.
Also, check out Gary Gray and the Gray Institute. They have a website and there is free stuff to check out there. You don't have to subscribe.
Posted by: Tami at August 29, 2016 07:28 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:29 PM (6HqlZ)
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FenelonSpoke --
"That just cracks me up; What can I say? I'm easily amused. :^)"
I agree! LOL
And I mean no disrespect to Ace whatsoever, but he shall forever be "Supple Leopard" to me in honor of this superb thread.
Dan
"That just cracks me up; What can I say? I'm easily amused. :^)"
I agree! LOL
And I mean no disrespect to Ace whatsoever, but he shall forever be "Supple Leopard" to me in honor of this superb thread.
Dan
Posted by: Dansgirls at August 29, 2016 07:29 PM (xBbs+)
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48 but there is this lump of thick, stiff muscle that just won't get loose....
*squirt*
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (0mRoj)
This is twisted...and I cant stop laughing.
*squirt*
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at August 29, 2016 06:30 PM (0mRoj)
This is twisted...and I cant stop laughing.
Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 07:30 PM (5ThVX)
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I didn't go through the carb withdrawal thing, I think because I didn't change my carb intake too much. Fung sez "Can't be carbs, per se, because traditionally skinny Asians eat white rice like...white on rice..."
I'm sure it's a good thing to do; I've lost weight before on low carb. But I think just IFing it with longer fasts has worked for me.
I find I have a lot of the same reactions that the LC folks are having: Sweets are tasting VERY sweet, sometimes intolerably so. I don't have craving for carby stuff. I do have an appreciation for stuff that before I wouldn't have even considered proper sweets.
But I think this has worked well for me because I never have to think "Oh, I can't eat this" or "That'll push me over my carb limit."
We'll see how long it lasts. Down 30 pounds. No stallz yet.
I'm sure it's a good thing to do; I've lost weight before on low carb. But I think just IFing it with longer fasts has worked for me.
I find I have a lot of the same reactions that the LC folks are having: Sweets are tasting VERY sweet, sometimes intolerably so. I don't have craving for carby stuff. I do have an appreciation for stuff that before I wouldn't have even considered proper sweets.
But I think this has worked well for me because I never have to think "Oh, I can't eat this" or "That'll push me over my carb limit."
We'll see how long it lasts. Down 30 pounds. No stallz yet.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 07:30 PM (7zeA4)
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I started low carb/high fat on 8/11/15 right before tendon transplant surgery in my right foot. It was recommended by two different doctors and approved by my GP. As of yesterday, I've lost 64 lbs, from 276 to 212 and both blood pressure and cholesterol are down significantly. To the point now, I'm almost never hungry and never have carb cravings. I added intermittent fasting after reading about it here. I had stalled but now have started losing again, although slowly. Bad news is another round of surgery to correct mis-alignment in the fore foot. Will involve breaking and realigning all five metatarsals. I'm trying orthotics first but have a very low confidence level they will help.
Posted by: Agitator at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (O/ssA)
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"Thanks Broseiden and Sixkiller
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (U+nHb) "
Sixkiller definitely knows more than me, but I'm glad my two cents were also helpful.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:13 PM (U+nHb) "
Sixkiller definitely knows more than me, but I'm glad my two cents were also helpful.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (kumBu)
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And I mean no disrespect to Ace whatsoever, but he shall forever be "Supple Leopard" to me in honor of this superb thread.
I think he should change his handle from "Ace" to "Supple Leopard" for the time being for the rest of us who are easily amused. ;^)
I think he should change his handle from "Ace" to "Supple Leopard" for the time being for the rest of us who are easily amused. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (6HqlZ)
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One man's failed New Year's resolution is another man's bargain.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:27 PM (0mRoj)
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Ain't it the truth. It might be our failed resolution too. Rev used to be a pretty competitive long-distance runner. But now he's old and we live in Wisconsin (think 8 months of winter) so we have to find something that keeps him moving while not causing me to break a hip. We'll figure it out. We just have to dig a little.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:27 PM (0mRoj)
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Ain't it the truth. It might be our failed resolution too. Rev used to be a pretty competitive long-distance runner. But now he's old and we live in Wisconsin (think 8 months of winter) so we have to find something that keeps him moving while not causing me to break a hip. We'll figure it out. We just have to dig a little.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (dFi94)
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grammie,
I'm not trying to be insulting with this but check out a site called Elder gym. They have a lot of good exercises....but simple stuff you can do at home.
Actually, they have some really good balance enhancing exercises that would be good for anyone who needs to improve their balance.
I'm not trying to be insulting with this but check out a site called Elder gym. They have a lot of good exercises....but simple stuff you can do at home.
Actually, they have some really good balance enhancing exercises that would be good for anyone who needs to improve their balance.
Posted by: Tami at August 29, 2016 07:32 PM (Enq6K)
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Well, I was very briefly in ketosis, but now I am not.
First week, -8 pounds.
Second week, -2 lbs more (total -10)
Third week, +6 lbs, total -4.
Weird.
First week, -8 pounds.
Second week, -2 lbs more (total -10)
Third week, +6 lbs, total -4.
Weird.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 29, 2016 07:33 PM (uAvJJ)
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288 One man's failed New Year's resolution is another man's bargain.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:27 PM (0mRoj)
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Ain't it the truth. It might be our failed resolution too. Rev used to be a pretty competitive long-distance runner. But now he's old and we live in Wisconsin (think 8 months of winter) so we have to find something that keeps him moving while not causing me to break a hip. We'll figure it out. We just have to dig a little.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (dFi94)
Resistance band exercises can be good. Just don't pull a Harry Reid and take one to the face.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:27 PM (0mRoj)
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Ain't it the truth. It might be our failed resolution too. Rev used to be a pretty competitive long-distance runner. But now he's old and we live in Wisconsin (think 8 months of winter) so we have to find something that keeps him moving while not causing me to break a hip. We'll figure it out. We just have to dig a little.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (dFi94)
Resistance band exercises can be good. Just don't pull a Harry Reid and take one to the face.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:34 PM (0mRoj)
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You're not insulting me at all, Tami! I welcome any and all suggestions. Let me check that out ......
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:34 PM (dFi94)
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Oh, and, home gym wise, that's how I did it when I started lifting.
Found a cable crossover for $140 (craig's list). Got some cheap weights. Then got a bench and bar. Then got some dumbbells. Then got a better bench and bar. Then got some more dumbbells. Then got a cage.
I spent about $2Gs over 3 years and the whole family can work out on it in perpetuity. You could do it for under $1K, probably, if you're doing Rippetoe.
No dues. No being gawked at or evaluated. No need to rush. Support from non-jerks, unless you live with jerks who don't support you. Etc.
Found a cable crossover for $140 (craig's list). Got some cheap weights. Then got a bench and bar. Then got some dumbbells. Then got a better bench and bar. Then got some more dumbbells. Then got a cage.
I spent about $2Gs over 3 years and the whole family can work out on it in perpetuity. You could do it for under $1K, probably, if you're doing Rippetoe.
No dues. No being gawked at or evaluated. No need to rush. Support from non-jerks, unless you live with jerks who don't support you. Etc.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 07:35 PM (7zeA4)
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"Posted by: Agitator at August 29, 2016 07:31 PM (O/ssA) "
Which tendon? I completely ruptured my posterior tibial in a car accident when I was 17.
(Also, your hash is perfect for a post about bones.)
Which tendon? I completely ruptured my posterior tibial in a car accident when I was 17.
(Also, your hash is perfect for a post about bones.)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:36 PM (kumBu)
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Just don't pull a Harry Reid and take one to the face.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:34 PM (0mRoj)
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I was planning on using the Harry Reid story to explain away Rev's first black eye, which I have not given him yet but I like to keep my options open.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:34 PM (0mRoj)
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I was planning on using the Harry Reid story to explain away Rev's first black eye, which I have not given him yet but I like to keep my options open.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 29, 2016 07:36 PM (dFi94)
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Resistance band exercises can be good. Just don't pull a Harry Reid and take one to the face.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:34 PM (0mRoj)
Yeah, an "exercise band." That's the ticket. Lot of that happenin' to guys who ain't so smart these days. Know what I mean?
Posted by: Insomniac at August 29, 2016 07:34 PM (0mRoj)
Yeah, an "exercise band." That's the ticket. Lot of that happenin' to guys who ain't so smart these days. Know what I mean?
Posted by: Tony at August 29, 2016 07:36 PM (WV3Yp)
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well i just ordered zma because magoo said it would deliver deeper sleep
if i get boner gainz that's just a bonus
if i get boner gainz that's just a bonus
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:36 PM (dciA+)
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chemjeff--
You're hitting the vagaries of the scale. You didn't really lose 8# the first week nor gain 6# later on, not of fat. Water weight and contents of bowel can really swing the dial. Look for the trend.
You're hitting the vagaries of the scale. You didn't really lose 8# the first week nor gain 6# later on, not of fat. Water weight and contents of bowel can really swing the dial. Look for the trend.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 07:36 PM (7zeA4)
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Excellent on the diet Agitator. Sorry about the surgeries but every pound you drop s less stress on the foot/leg and less weight to move when you start excercising again.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:38 PM (U+nHb)
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For those of you stalled or really slow going weight loss wise, best advice is to not give up. It's amazing but one day you'll just be less weight or you'll feel your abs ad go, "damn."
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:41 PM (U+nHb)
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Home Exercise equipment which gets used the most - my experience - most to least...
Treadmill
Stepper
Incline bench
Free weights
Rowing machine
Weight bench
My recommendation is used treadmill, first purchase. Don't need gadgets, just distractions like television, radio, book rack, etc to make less tedious.
Treadmill
Stepper
Incline bench
Free weights
Rowing machine
Weight bench
My recommendation is used treadmill, first purchase. Don't need gadgets, just distractions like television, radio, book rack, etc to make less tedious.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:42 PM (ZFUt7)
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chemjeff,
yeah your hydration is a big thing. you tend to lose a lot of weight immediately as the body lets go of water weight and then sometimes the body wants some of that back.
don't worry about it too much; the scale is there for purposes of validation only.
the plan will work. mathematically, it must.
btw i haven't lost actual pounds in a while but I don't need a scale to see that I'm leaning out and that my belly is smaller than it has been since ten years ago, when I was 19
yeah your hydration is a big thing. you tend to lose a lot of weight immediately as the body lets go of water weight and then sometimes the body wants some of that back.
don't worry about it too much; the scale is there for purposes of validation only.
the plan will work. mathematically, it must.
btw i haven't lost actual pounds in a while but I don't need a scale to see that I'm leaning out and that my belly is smaller than it has been since ten years ago, when I was 19
Posted by: ace at August 29, 2016 07:46 PM (dciA+)
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This pills are addictive. They make me have weird dreams like I am flying on a dinosaur. Just yesterday, I dreamed about being a merman and exploring sunken ships. Five stars for letting me escape this cruel daily living and letting me have psychedelic dreams.
Amazon comment about zma... A lot of mention of lucid dreams.
Amazon comment about zma... A lot of mention of lucid dreams.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 29, 2016 07:48 PM (ZFUt7)
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>>btw i haven't lost actual pounds in a while but I don't need a scale to see that I'm leaning out and that my belly is smaller than it has been since ten years ago, when I was 19
I remember when you were a precocious teenager of...what was it? 16?...when you started this blog!
I remember when you were a precocious teenager of...what was it? 16?...when you started this blog!
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 07:49 PM (7zeA4)
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:50 PM (U+nHb)
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Commenting from a phone means my comments look dumber than usual.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 07:52 PM (U+nHb)
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For those using it...Citrulline malate or just pure citrulline?
Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 07:56 PM (5ThVX)
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Amazon comment about zma... A lot of mention of lucid dreams.
Yeah. Those are the best! It's the B6.
Yeah. Those are the best! It's the B6.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 07:57 PM (y0er3)
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Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 29, 2016 07:36 PM (kumBu)
Both the peronal brevis and longus. My foot had no support on the outside. Couldn't walk on hill sides with my right foot on the low side. Bad diagnosis for ten years which is why it is so crooked now. Part of the surgery was breaking my heel to get it realigned properly.
Both the peronal brevis and longus. My foot had no support on the outside. Couldn't walk on hill sides with my right foot on the low side. Bad diagnosis for ten years which is why it is so crooked now. Part of the surgery was breaking my heel to get it realigned properly.
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Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 07:56 PM (5ThVX)
Mine is pure Citrulline. L-Arginine is also effective. The Vitamin Shoppe sells a pre-workout that contains both...very effective and reasonably priced. I forget the name.
I stack Citrulline with Pump by Con-cret. And a couple of cinnamon capsules. And coffee. BWA HAHAHA (I don't recommend that for anyone except the serious dudes...Magoo, Broseidon, Brak and Jake, that are moving a ton of weight.)
It's true. I do. Because I'm busting my hump in that gym...and the last thing I want to do is go bingo fuel.
Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 07:56 PM (5ThVX)
Mine is pure Citrulline. L-Arginine is also effective. The Vitamin Shoppe sells a pre-workout that contains both...very effective and reasonably priced. I forget the name.
I stack Citrulline with Pump by Con-cret. And a couple of cinnamon capsules. And coffee. BWA HAHAHA (I don't recommend that for anyone except the serious dudes...Magoo, Broseidon, Brak and Jake, that are moving a ton of weight.)
It's true. I do. Because I'm busting my hump in that gym...and the last thing I want to do is go bingo fuel.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 08:03 PM (y0er3)
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"Discovered something that weight lifters know about, citrulline - natural stuff."
Well, natural as in "found in nature", but not as the free amino acid in multigram quantities, as is manufactured and consumed today. That ain't natural.
I can't see any reason why you shouldn't take it in multigram quantities, but it's not anything that your long line of ancestors would have encountered while living and eating in the state of nature, or in basic village-level agriculture.
Well, natural as in "found in nature", but not as the free amino acid in multigram quantities, as is manufactured and consumed today. That ain't natural.
I can't see any reason why you shouldn't take it in multigram quantities, but it's not anything that your long line of ancestors would have encountered while living and eating in the state of nature, or in basic village-level agriculture.
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Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 07:56 PM (5ThVX)
Mine is pure Citrulline. L-Arginine is also effective. The Vitamin Shoppe sells a pre-workout that contains both...very effective and reasonably priced. I forget the name.
I stack Citrulline with Pump by Con-cret. And a couple of cinnamon capsules. And coffee. BWA HAHAHA (I don't recommend that for anyone except the serious dudes...Magoo, Broseidon, Brak and Jake, that are moving a ton of weight.)
It's true. I do. Because I'm busting my hump in that gym...and the last thing I want to do is go bingo fuel.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 08:03 PM (y0er3)
Thanks much. years of Martial Arts trashed knees until Bilateral replacements coupla' years ago. So kicking is out but still home gym heavy and speed bag to beat on, but legs need strength training. So back to gym to lift. Love this thread. Something for everyone. Thanks Ace. Thanks all.
Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 07:56 PM (5ThVX)
Mine is pure Citrulline. L-Arginine is also effective. The Vitamin Shoppe sells a pre-workout that contains both...very effective and reasonably priced. I forget the name.
I stack Citrulline with Pump by Con-cret. And a couple of cinnamon capsules. And coffee. BWA HAHAHA (I don't recommend that for anyone except the serious dudes...Magoo, Broseidon, Brak and Jake, that are moving a ton of weight.)
It's true. I do. Because I'm busting my hump in that gym...and the last thing I want to do is go bingo fuel.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 29, 2016 08:03 PM (y0er3)
Thanks much. years of Martial Arts trashed knees until Bilateral replacements coupla' years ago. So kicking is out but still home gym heavy and speed bag to beat on, but legs need strength training. So back to gym to lift. Love this thread. Something for everyone. Thanks Ace. Thanks all.
Posted by: Goomba at August 29, 2016 08:09 PM (5ThVX)
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Hey - I've lost 31 lbs in 31 days! Let me tell you how - massive antibiotic-resistant sinus/upper respiratory/bilateral ear infection!
Also, now almost completely deaf. Cannot hear phone, wife or kids. Must watch teevee with closed caption.
Bliss! Well, if you ignore cracking ribs from coughing, and the fact this might just kill me...
Also, now almost completely deaf. Cannot hear phone, wife or kids. Must watch teevee with closed caption.
Bliss! Well, if you ignore cracking ribs from coughing, and the fact this might just kill me...
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Posted by: Damiano at August 29, 2016 06:54 PM (71OEY)
I'm afraid of yoga. I've never been very bendy. I wish I could find one of those modified classes for the naturally unbendable.
I'm afraid of yoga. I've never been very bendy. I wish I could find one of those modified classes for the naturally unbendable.
Posted by: SarahW at August 29, 2016 08:28 PM (Sp1NT)
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SarahW, I'm no yoga expert, but they call it practicing yoga for a reason. Do what you can and as you learn and do it more you get more flexible.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 08:37 PM (U+nHb)
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moviegique : It takes a long time, but Maffetone works. I qualified for Boston four years ago using it. Very, very gradually, how fast I could run at 180-age (about 130) kept getting better. Eventually, in good weather and a flat course, I could run a 9 minute mile. Then running at 180-age+15 or so for a real race seemed easy. Not there yet by a long shot after a long layoff, but hoping that it works again.
Posted by: chris not rock at August 29, 2016 08:53 PM (WO0/g)
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Ace, link to the book through Amazon like Glenn Reynolds instead of just the video.
Self interest, nothing wrong with it.
Self interest, nothing wrong with it.
Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at August 29, 2016 08:53 PM (mBYZv)
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Good work, everyone!
Posted by: sinalco at August 29, 2016 09:00 PM (yODqO)
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chris not rock--
Sticking with it for aerobic development for sure. Just missing the lifting, which I'll start up again in a few weeks. Need to be able to move better, too. Hoping I can work out a reasonable compromise between strength, speed and flexibility.
Sticking with it for aerobic development for sure. Just missing the lifting, which I'll start up again in a few weeks. Need to be able to move better, too. Hoping I can work out a reasonable compromise between strength, speed and flexibility.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 09:04 PM (CcUfv)
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Moviegique, are you still putting together highlights from these threads? If so, what's the link, please?
Posted by: Seems legit at August 29, 2016 09:18 PM (U+nHb)
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Ace continues to improve my life. In just over a month I've lost a few pounds that it took me three years to put on. Just a few more to go.
*And* I just watched a few Kelly Starrett videos (never even heard of the guy) and easily self-diagnosed my fucked up lower back. Gonna start doing the exercises to unfuck it tomorrow morning. So simple. Ridonculous.
And after reading the comments, guess I'll be looking for some yoga videos soon, hah.
Thanks Ace! Thanks Morons!
*And* I just watched a few Kelly Starrett videos (never even heard of the guy) and easily self-diagnosed my fucked up lower back. Gonna start doing the exercises to unfuck it tomorrow morning. So simple. Ridonculous.
And after reading the comments, guess I'll be looking for some yoga videos soon, hah.
Thanks Ace! Thanks Morons!
Posted by: lauraw at August 29, 2016 09:36 PM (K/zYU)
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Seems legit--
kingdomrpg.com
I haven't been super-diligent but there's still a lot of stuff covered. If something's missing feel free to add it (or let me know if you don't wiki).
kingdomrpg.com
I haven't been super-diligent but there's still a lot of stuff covered. If something's missing feel free to add it (or let me know if you don't wiki).
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 10:07 PM (CcUfv)
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And I do continue to add to it and keep things up to date. Eventually I'll catch up because there's only so much interesting/useful information to be had. The first few weeks had a ton, and there's been less every subsequent week. 'cause, you know, "Still doing [x]?" "Yeah, it's going good" or "Yeah, it's not going so good."
There are finite possibilities, even if it doesn't seem that way sometimes.
There are finite possibilities, even if it doesn't seem that way sometimes.
Posted by: moviegique at August 29, 2016 10:48 PM (CcUfv)
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Ace,
I have only ever down Romanian straight-leg dead lifts and have never injured my back doing this. Same is true w squats on a smith machine and w ultra slow lifting rather than going heavy. The weight really does not matter according to some recent exercise phys papers. Appears mostly time under tension and perceived fatigue. Yup w the mods each set is 70-80% of the loading and ROM, but the avoidance of lost weeks and delay in degenerative disk disease, which is the real long term dark side of lifting heavy, make it worth it. For now I'm primarily running and keeping HR in 160's for 30-60 mins. Resting HR is 45 and if you know your double product, that's a big drop in myocardial oxygen demand which correlates to less reactive oxygen species which are key components of coronary artery disease progression. Also, wt loss for those w bmi less than 35 seems to be oddly associated w higher mortality. Fitness is much more important long term than the weight number, since these big drops are very very seldom maintained. I have not seen endpoint data on IF for > 1 year. Do you have any papers on this?
I have only ever down Romanian straight-leg dead lifts and have never injured my back doing this. Same is true w squats on a smith machine and w ultra slow lifting rather than going heavy. The weight really does not matter according to some recent exercise phys papers. Appears mostly time under tension and perceived fatigue. Yup w the mods each set is 70-80% of the loading and ROM, but the avoidance of lost weeks and delay in degenerative disk disease, which is the real long term dark side of lifting heavy, make it worth it. For now I'm primarily running and keeping HR in 160's for 30-60 mins. Resting HR is 45 and if you know your double product, that's a big drop in myocardial oxygen demand which correlates to less reactive oxygen species which are key components of coronary artery disease progression. Also, wt loss for those w bmi less than 35 seems to be oddly associated w higher mortality. Fitness is much more important long term than the weight number, since these big drops are very very seldom maintained. I have not seen endpoint data on IF for > 1 year. Do you have any papers on this?
Posted by: Dzh at August 30, 2016 12:34 AM (gAJ6y)
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VA GOP Sucks, @191: My biggest weaknesses were cheesecake and tiramisu, and now I have no interest in them. Same with bread. It's great.
Low-carb knockoffs of both of those are almost literally a piece of cake. Swap out the sugar for Splenda or Swerve and voila. (Some people report losing their low-carb edge on artificial sweeteners, but I've been mainlining Diet Mountain Dew and zero-cal energy drinks and Powerade for 18 months now and still have LOZZEZ.)
As for bread, I've been using ground flax as a muffin base and loving it. Not sure how it will work to make legit bread but we're working on it.
Low-carb knockoffs of both of those are almost literally a piece of cake. Swap out the sugar for Splenda or Swerve and voila. (Some people report losing their low-carb edge on artificial sweeteners, but I've been mainlining Diet Mountain Dew and zero-cal energy drinks and Powerade for 18 months now and still have LOZZEZ.)
As for bread, I've been using ground flax as a muffin base and loving it. Not sure how it will work to make legit bread but we're working on it.
Posted by: @irishmikecomedy at August 30, 2016 12:44 AM (eFFhZ)
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Have done low carb and intermittent fasting since March (thanks to the book thread pointing out Dr. Jason Fung) and it has worked wonders. Losing belly fat, lost about 15 pounds, A1C is under control and more importantly my insulin level is back in a normal range (7). I started doing circuit training for overall conditioning 3-4 times per week as well as walks and cycling when its not too hot. I feel great. Not as good as 30 years ago, but much better than I have. I plan on starting some strength training in the future and will have to get this Leopard book.
Keep up with the lifestyle changes and thank you Ace for your blog. Changed my life.
Keep up with the lifestyle changes and thank you Ace for your blog. Changed my life.
Posted by: sarge2909 at August 30, 2016 09:09 AM (hiVI8)
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Found this out last night: take a video of yourself doing your squats. I don't have the flawless form that I was imagining in my mind.
Posted by: jd at August 30, 2016 10:10 AM (JX1fv)
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I'm a 47 year old work from home type who just completed a 14 day backpacking trip trough the Sierra Mountains with my 18 year old son. This was our first attempt at backpacking, and it went very well. The food and exercise aspect manages itself. When we set out, our next brush with civilization was 35 miles away. So we could only eat what we brought with us, or picked from the ground until we got the the next outpost.
Here is a breakdown of a few key stats from my recent backpacking trip, for fitness nerds. My scale measures weight, and body fat, and lean mass (muscle). I weighed in before I left and when I returned.
Results:
Change in Body fat (%)- 33% to 27.3%
Change in Body fat (pds)- lost 11.37 pds
Change in Lean Mass (%)-67% to 72%
Change in Lean Mass (pds) gained 8.27 pds
Overall body comp change over 14 days: 19.64 pds
Activity:
Days on the trail: 14
Miles: 158.71
Longest day: 23 miles
Elevation range: 7,400 ft - 11,056 ft
Notes:
Week one:
We ran a huge caloric deficit though most of the trip, but especially the first week. I only packed around 2000 calories per day for week one, that's for both of us. (beginners mistake). One day alone I hiked 23 miles and burned 6,348 calories. Austin is super thin, and I was worried about him loosing weight, so I gave him around 2/3 of the food for the first 6 days. This probably wasn't healthy, but I didn't pack enough food for the first week, not his fault. Needless to say we were pretty worn on by day 6.
Week two:
Day 6 we arrived at an outpost that had a grill, groceries and our resupply. We each had a double bacon cheese burger for lunch, and a steak for dinner, then a big breakfast and another cheese burger on lunch day 7. I also picked up peanut butter, nutella and tortillas to supplement our freeze dried meals for the rest of the trip. We also took two full down days. This seemed much healthier.
Here is a breakdown of a few key stats from my recent backpacking trip, for fitness nerds. My scale measures weight, and body fat, and lean mass (muscle). I weighed in before I left and when I returned.
Results:
Change in Body fat (%)- 33% to 27.3%
Change in Body fat (pds)- lost 11.37 pds
Change in Lean Mass (%)-67% to 72%
Change in Lean Mass (pds) gained 8.27 pds
Overall body comp change over 14 days: 19.64 pds
Activity:
Days on the trail: 14
Miles: 158.71
Longest day: 23 miles
Elevation range: 7,400 ft - 11,056 ft
Notes:
Week one:
We ran a huge caloric deficit though most of the trip, but especially the first week. I only packed around 2000 calories per day for week one, that's for both of us. (beginners mistake). One day alone I hiked 23 miles and burned 6,348 calories. Austin is super thin, and I was worried about him loosing weight, so I gave him around 2/3 of the food for the first 6 days. This probably wasn't healthy, but I didn't pack enough food for the first week, not his fault. Needless to say we were pretty worn on by day 6.
Week two:
Day 6 we arrived at an outpost that had a grill, groceries and our resupply. We each had a double bacon cheese burger for lunch, and a steak for dinner, then a big breakfast and another cheese burger on lunch day 7. I also picked up peanut butter, nutella and tortillas to supplement our freeze dried meals for the rest of the trip. We also took two full down days. This seemed much healthier.
Posted by: scott coffee at August 30, 2016 11:15 AM (VFsF1)
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>>Found this out last night: take a video of yourself doing your squats. I don't have the flawless form that I was imagining in my mind.
Word.
Word.
Posted by: moviegique at August 30, 2016 11:41 AM (CcUfv)
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29? Huh, always thought you were older than my 35. There's the concept of that you'll be injured if your muscles are out of balance - like with your back and shoulders. One idea would to be working more on your upper back than your chest. More lat pull downs, row pulls, and reverse flies.
Posted by: Mellow at August 30, 2016 11:44 AM (kg+p3)
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If you aren't using it yet, get MyFitnessPal for your phone. It's great for tracking your nutrient intake. It's also good when combined with a step counter. I'm doing the keto diet, and I make sure that my calories consumed throughout the day don't exceed my calories burned from the counted steps, so I'm burning at least some body fat throughout the day. I save most of my calories for a nice dinner. I've kind of plateaued in my weight loss, but I continue to see results in the mirror...the muscles are getting bigger, and the belly (or what's left of it) continues to slowly recede.
Posted by: pete at August 30, 2016 11:56 AM (meg+g)
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I've been lurking on these health threads all along now, but might as well put my gainz out there.
I'm 47 years old, 6' 3" and a month ago I was 299 pounds. Heaviest I have ever been. I'm in I.T., so I spend long hours sitting on my butt, and that doesn't help anything.
So, I started intermittent fasting and high-fat / low-carb three weeks ago. I also picked up the Jawbone Up 2, and installed My Fitness Pal on my phone.
This morning I was 285, and I generally just feel better. My goal is to get under 220.. eventually. Not in a big hurry, but I am enjoying watching the scale slowly creep down.
Thanks for these threads. They have kept me motivated.
I'm 47 years old, 6' 3" and a month ago I was 299 pounds. Heaviest I have ever been. I'm in I.T., so I spend long hours sitting on my butt, and that doesn't help anything.
So, I started intermittent fasting and high-fat / low-carb three weeks ago. I also picked up the Jawbone Up 2, and installed My Fitness Pal on my phone.
This morning I was 285, and I generally just feel better. My goal is to get under 220.. eventually. Not in a big hurry, but I am enjoying watching the scale slowly creep down.
Thanks for these threads. They have kept me motivated.
Posted by: Dennis at August 30, 2016 12:05 PM (f4toV)
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330 Scott Coffee.
Your lean mass addition sounds off. 8.27 lb of muscle is 3,600 g of protein. Divide that by 14 and you added just over 257 g of protein to your frame per day. You had to eat 257g + whatever you burned off in very vigorous exercise (100g?) or about 350 g of protein per day. And that's with burning off an extra 2,800 per day. That's too amazing.
Your lean mass addition sounds off. 8.27 lb of muscle is 3,600 g of protein. Divide that by 14 and you added just over 257 g of protein to your frame per day. You had to eat 257g + whatever you burned off in very vigorous exercise (100g?) or about 350 g of protein per day. And that's with burning off an extra 2,800 per day. That's too amazing.
Posted by: Mellow at August 30, 2016 12:09 PM (kg+p3)
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Ace: "the big revelation from Rippetoe for me is that the isolation stuff (curls, for example) isn't good for building muscle, really, just for sculpting muscle you already have, and the way to actually put on muscle is with the big three (squat, deadlift, press).
I haven't done a single curl but my biceps are visibly larger. "
I've had the opposite experience. It doesn't matter how many big multi-joint moves I do, if I don't work on my biceps and triceps specifically with exercises in which they are the prime movers, they shrink. That's not to say others won't, obviously, have the experience you have had, but that people truly do respond differently to physical stimulus.
And I would not be at all surprised that you could very well get bigger arms with exercises that focus on those muscles. I think "isolation" moves have gotten an unwarranted bad rap for being vanity exercises with low(er) calorie burns, but they exist because they are the only way to truly target those muscles. And there are legitimate functional fitness reasons for doing so. Carrying a box is an isometric bicep curl. Swinging a hammer overhead is almost all triceps. These muscles matter and they are just supporting players in the big compound movements.
I would agree that given limited time and motivation, the big compound moves are your best, most efficient bet, but for complete fitness and balance, I would urge people to at least give the isolation moves a shot in your routine and see what happens.
I haven't done a single curl but my biceps are visibly larger. "
I've had the opposite experience. It doesn't matter how many big multi-joint moves I do, if I don't work on my biceps and triceps specifically with exercises in which they are the prime movers, they shrink. That's not to say others won't, obviously, have the experience you have had, but that people truly do respond differently to physical stimulus.
And I would not be at all surprised that you could very well get bigger arms with exercises that focus on those muscles. I think "isolation" moves have gotten an unwarranted bad rap for being vanity exercises with low(er) calorie burns, but they exist because they are the only way to truly target those muscles. And there are legitimate functional fitness reasons for doing so. Carrying a box is an isometric bicep curl. Swinging a hammer overhead is almost all triceps. These muscles matter and they are just supporting players in the big compound movements.
I would agree that given limited time and motivation, the big compound moves are your best, most efficient bet, but for complete fitness and balance, I would urge people to at least give the isolation moves a shot in your routine and see what happens.
Posted by: Jon at August 30, 2016 05:06 PM (P586n)
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Some years back I started doing this routine:
5 minutes cardio warmup
10 minutes stretching
6 different ab moves in sets of 30 each
12 pushups between each ab set
bench press pyramid: 8/6/4/2/4/6/8, stepping up 10lbs then down 10lbs.
When I started, I was going from 95 to 125 and back; after about a year of 2-3 sessions a week, I was doing 135 to 165. I even got to where I could bench my weight (175). I've fallen off a lot since then, but I can still bench 165 on a Smith machine.
Since I'm 62, I feel pretty good about that.
5 minutes cardio warmup
10 minutes stretching
6 different ab moves in sets of 30 each
12 pushups between each ab set
bench press pyramid: 8/6/4/2/4/6/8, stepping up 10lbs then down 10lbs.
When I started, I was going from 95 to 125 and back; after about a year of 2-3 sessions a week, I was doing 135 to 165. I even got to where I could bench my weight (175). I've fallen off a lot since then, but I can still bench 165 on a Smith machine.
Since I'm 62, I feel pretty good about that.
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