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Giuliani: Trump's Big Immigration Reversal Was Shaped By... Chris Christie
Man, Ann Coulter is having a bad week with her former and current poliitical flames.
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Nooooo!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:07 PM (wCEn4)
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And First!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:08 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:08 PM (APlKx)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:08 PM (NOIQH)
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This guy will never stop fucking us over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:09 PM (U2pFT)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 26, 2016 01:09 PM (SkHxD)
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A bridge too far?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (IqV8l)
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"Speak loudly and carry a big churro"
-- Christie immigration plan
-- Christie immigration plan
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (heC2/)
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I think there is no way to know what will actually transpire regarding Trump and immigration; however, I think he will do something that at least approaches a semblance of a rational immigration policy.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (wCEn4)
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The only thing that changed was Trump's tone on the matter.
This reversal thing is a load of bullshit as if Trump did a 180 and is now an open borders amnesty guy.
The only thing that changed was Trump's tone on the matter.
This reversal thing is a load of bullshit as if Trump did a 180 and is now an open borders amnesty guy.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (APlKx)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:11 PM (qCMvj)
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Is it too late for me to endorse my other crush, Mitt Romney?
Posted by: Ann Coulter at August 26, 2016 01:11 PM (H9MG5)
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Man, Ann Coulter is having a bad week with her former and current poliitical flames.
She has a horrible strike record, doesn't she?
She has a horrible strike record, doesn't she?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:11 PM (qCMvj)
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jumpg on the hatehate bandwagon? enforce existg laws,wow TOTAL reverse{sarc}. the pledge was to build a WALL,not kill every nonwhite that moved.even fightg congress and failing to build a wall is a win with trump. not one fk we elected did anything they promised,remeber? Trump said "wall" and we elected him. simple,pimple. if you cant quit doing the dems work then maybi get a blog under the clinton banner.
Posted by: cw at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (NpPZa)
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Shut up, you proles. Not only did Trump make a 360-degree flip on the matter, he's actually taking sealed bids on boxcars for the camps.
Posted by: CNN at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (uz/Pv)
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the Jersey Whale stinks again
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (GHdiF)
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Christie? This is my shocked face. :O
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (Agn5J)
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Elbow room is necessary to win the WH. I'm okay with deporting only 80% of the illegals if I get my border fence. Call me a moderate alt-Right racist. If you want to sell the deal, throw in Lois Lerner in a Federal Penitentiary for a couple of decades as a sweetener.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (oDCMR)
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uh,might have been quick to condemn.beg pardon,Ace
Posted by: cw at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (NpPZa)
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What was it that Christie did that was so great? Yelled at unions or something? At this point I can't remember.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (AroJD)
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>>She has a horrible strike record, doesn't she?
Dating Bill Maher should have been an indication of her judgement....
Dating Bill Maher should have been an indication of her judgement....
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (NOIQH)
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I'm not buying the 180 reversal....
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (O2RFr)
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Posted by: CNN at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (uz/Pv)
I think it's even worse, he actually did a 720 degree flip on immigration!
BTW, how do you get on the bidders list?
I think it's even worse, he actually did a 720 degree flip on immigration!
BTW, how do you get on the bidders list?
Posted by: Alt RIght Industries, LLC at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (wCEn4)
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jumpg on the hatehate bandwagon? enforce existg laws,wow TOTAL reverse{sarc}. the pledge was to build a WALL,not kill every nonwhite that moved.
The wall is authorized. Trump has the will to build it, whereas the others don't.
The wall is authorized. Trump has the will to build it, whereas the others don't.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (Cd8NC)
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NOW WHAT DO I DO WITH THESE SHINY JACKBOOTS I JUST ORDERED?
Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (APlKx)
27
I listened to Trump yesterday. He's reversed nothing. This is smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (Fmupd)
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What was it that Christie did that was so great? Yelled at unions or something?
He was Trump without the votes, and he was a "Republican" who won New Jersey in a year when Paris Hilton could have won that state.
He was Trump without the votes, and he was a "Republican" who won New Jersey in a year when Paris Hilton could have won that state.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (Agn5J)
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I'm really not fond of Coulter.....
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (O2RFr)
30
I don't see what the big deal about Trump's apparent new position in relation to his old one. The two stances don't appear to be mutually exclusive. It sounds like now he's saying that there are things he can do immediately, without help from congress, because laws currently exist. Enforcing the existing law is good. His previous remarks seemed to be about something that's categorically different, changes in the law that he'd push for. So he could be saying he's going to strictly enforce the law and take certain actions that he's capable of right now, and also push for fixes to the current system.
That is assuming that Trump's thoughts are that coherent, which I'm sure many would argue they aren't.
That is assuming that Trump's thoughts are that coherent, which I'm sure many would argue they aren't.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 26, 2016 01:16 PM (KUaJL)
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Heard his speech yesterday. Didn't sound to me like he reversed anything.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 26, 2016 01:16 PM (kTF2Z)
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"Big immigration reversal?" Who could tell, given how much his stance has been a moving target. That reversal is about halfway between a pirouette and a head-fake.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:16 PM (iIzG7)
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How many illegal alien votes did his pandering get him?
ZERO!
How many Trump supporters did he lose?
A lot more than zero.
ZERO!
How many Trump supporters did he lose?
A lot more than zero.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2016 01:16 PM (7hRS/)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:16 PM (Agn5J)
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What was it that Christie did that was so great?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (AroJD)
Boosted the jelly donut market?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (AroJD)
Boosted the jelly donut market?
Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (9Kdhp)
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And why does Ann Coulter have to answer for everything Trump nuances during interviews with the Gotcha Media?
And why does Ann Coulter have to answer for everything Trump nuances during interviews with the Gotcha Media?
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (APlKx)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (Cd8NC)
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Reversal? Really?
The generally means you've done a 180 degree turn.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 26, 2016 01:09 PM (SkHxD)
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Now still with e-verify plus package tracking!
The generally means you've done a 180 degree turn.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 26, 2016 01:09 PM (SkHxD)
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Now still with e-verify plus package tracking!
Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (NUqwG)
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Coulter has loved long, loved often, and loved unwisely.
Posted by: aelfheld at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (IxDhF)
40
If Trumps voters are barely hanging on because of this one issue, then they weren't gonna stay with Him anyway seeing what the alternative is...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (Z8DIA)
42
Philly talk radio host Chris Stigall today said Trump's current position is pretty much the same as many of the original candidates', except some of those candidates wouldn't be imploding as often.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (Agn5J)
43
Inside the fat rolls of Kris Crispy Creme lies a NE corridor liberal waiting to slither out.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (OZmbA)
44
I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: jACK at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (ULwv2)
46
Heh.
Ever sneeeze and fart at the same time?
It's just too much -- a body cant handle such things.
Lucky we dont die from it.
Heh.
Ever sneeeze and fart at the same time?
It's just too much -- a body cant handle such things.
Lucky we dont die from it.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (APlKx)
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Is Trump at Kasich levels of Amnesty, yet? Or at Rubio's yet?
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (APlKx)
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This week he's been at Jeb levels (legalization). It's not clear where he is today - last night, asked if he would deport all illegals, he answered "There is a very good chance the answer could be yes."
Is Trump at Kasich levels of Amnesty, yet? Or at Rubio's yet?
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (APlKx)
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This week he's been at Jeb levels (legalization). It's not clear where he is today - last night, asked if he would deport all illegals, he answered "There is a very good chance the answer could be yes."
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (mFkVC)
48
Still voting for Trump, because #NeverHillary, but man, they have both run awful campaigns.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (Agn5J)
49
If you want to sell the deal, throw in Lois Lerner in a Federal Penitentiary for a couple of decades as a sweetener.
Well, if you'd really like to be depressed, you can think like I do, and realize that, if Teh Donald wins the presidency, Scankles will most likely not be prosecuted in any way.
Because I can see the so-called "wise men" of the GOPe soberly advising Trump that a prosecution of a former SoS would be unprecedented, bad optics, would needlessly fuel a partisan witch hunt and would, in the end, hopelessly splinter a party which needs unity to (wink, wink) move Trump's agenda forward.
And Trump, who seems to be like Nicholas II in that he responds to whomever speaks to him last, will agree that the good of the country has to come before a political prosecution.
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
Well, if you'd really like to be depressed, you can think like I do, and realize that, if Teh Donald wins the presidency, Scankles will most likely not be prosecuted in any way.
Because I can see the so-called "wise men" of the GOPe soberly advising Trump that a prosecution of a former SoS would be unprecedented, bad optics, would needlessly fuel a partisan witch hunt and would, in the end, hopelessly splinter a party which needs unity to (wink, wink) move Trump's agenda forward.
And Trump, who seems to be like Nicholas II in that he responds to whomever speaks to him last, will agree that the good of the country has to come before a political prosecution.
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (X6fMO)
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Trump's Big Immigration Reversal Was Shaped By... Chris Christie
If it was shaped by Christie it should be a lot rounder
If it was shaped by Christie it should be a lot rounder
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (493sH)
51
Well, if Trump has lost Chris Stigall it is as good as over.
Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (O2RFr)
53
I think he will do something that at least approaches a semblance of a rational immigration policy.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (wCEn4)
Yes. I never expected Trump to deport with some huge army. Just do what is in the best interests of all Americans.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (wCEn4)
Yes. I never expected Trump to deport with some huge army. Just do what is in the best interests of all Americans.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (ZFUt7)
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The "Big Immigration Reversal" is just Rope-A-Dope ginned up by the MSM to stir shit among the Not Hillary voters.
Pretty transparent bullshit, actually. Or should be anyway.
Pretty transparent bullshit, actually. Or should be anyway.
Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (d6TTt)
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Ace getting his headlines from the NYT? It was not a "reversal". If it had been a reversal he would have embraced amnesty which is the Fat Man's real position.
He softened his stance on deportation of ALL of them is all he did.
He softened his stance on deportation of ALL of them is all he did.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (mpXpK)
56
Late to the party, but to repeat what I've asked on the two previous threads of this sort the last few days - what reversal?
What, literally, are we talking about?
Anthropogenic climate change. Discuss.
What, literally, are we talking about?
Anthropogenic climate change. Discuss.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (QDnY+)
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This week he's been at Jeb levels (legalization). It's not clear where he is today - last night, asked if he would deport all illegals, he answered "There is a very good chance the answer could be yes."
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (mFkVC)
It's like he's got a magic 8 ball that he uses to make policy decision. Quick, somebody get that magic 8 ball!
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (mFkVC)
It's like he's got a magic 8 ball that he uses to make policy decision. Quick, somebody get that magic 8 ball!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (KUaJL)
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I even bet Guiliani was quoted out of context. I don't believe anything coming out of the MFM anymore.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (Fmupd)
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35 What was it that Christie did that was so great?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (AroJD)
Boosted the jelly donut market?
Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (9Kdhp)
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Jesus H. Christ! What is this? WHAT IS IT?
'Sir, it's a jelly donut, sir.'
Is chow allowed in the barracks?
'Sir, no, sir!'
Are you allowed to have jelly donuts?
'Sir, no, sir!'
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (AroJD)
Boosted the jelly donut market?
Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (9Kdhp)
***
Jesus H. Christ! What is this? WHAT IS IT?
'Sir, it's a jelly donut, sir.'
Is chow allowed in the barracks?
'Sir, no, sir!'
Are you allowed to have jelly donuts?
'Sir, no, sir!'
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (lutOX)
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"Ever sneeeze and fart at the same time? It's deadly if Hillary! does it..."
Redefining the term "explosive decompression."
Redefining the term "explosive decompression."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (iIzG7)
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Ace, my God you are so busy lately. Where is everyone else, or are you going it alone this week?
Posted by: Jaimo at August 26, 2016 01:21 PM (9U1OG)
62
>>44
I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so." Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
The Texas Cassandra, finally getting 5 minutes in the sun.
I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so." Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
The Texas Cassandra, finally getting 5 minutes in the sun.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (Bdeb0)
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I have a feeling there is a lot of 'adjustment' left to come in the Trump platform.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (Z8DIA)
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Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (X6fMO)
I always appreciate your fine poetry particularly after a three martini lunch!
I always appreciate your fine poetry particularly after a three martini lunch!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (wCEn4)
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It's like he's got a magic 8 ball that he uses to make policy decision. Quick, somebody get that magic 8 ball!
Can't. Biden has it this week.
Can't. Biden has it this week.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (Cd8NC)
67
Well put MUMR, thou fleeting poster.
Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (d6TTt)
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And why does Ann Coulter have to answer for everything Trump nuances during interviews with the Gotcha Media?
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (APlKx)
It mighr have something to do with her new book and book tour. The book where she says Trump is Mr. Wonderful?
And no, this controversy will not sell more books, or get Trump more votes.
And why does Ann Coulter have to answer for everything Trump nuances during interviews with the Gotcha Media?
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:17 PM (APlKx)
It mighr have something to do with her new book and book tour. The book where she says Trump is Mr. Wonderful?
And no, this controversy will not sell more books, or get Trump more votes.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (7hRS/)
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>>The "Big Immigration Reversal" is just Rope-A-Dope ginned up by the MSM to stir shit among the Not Hillary voters.
Pretty transparent bullshit, actually. Or should be anyway.
Yep.
#NeverHillary for ever
Pretty transparent bullshit, actually. Or should be anyway.
Yep.
#NeverHillary for ever
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
70
Great article. I'm glad Trump is getting good advice from true conservatives who understand that the only proper conservative response to illegal immigration and terror threats are elaborate expensive electronic systems and a huge bureaucracy to implement and manage them. Any fool other than Trump knows that building a wall just looks awful but slapping tracking bracelets on widows and orphans shouldn't be a problem.
Posted by: Randy Magnum at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (jCjAQ)
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This week he's been at Jeb levels (legalization). It's not clear where he is today - last night, asked if he would deport all illegals, he answered "There is a very good chance the answer could be yes."
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (mFkVC)
Are we sure he's not a politician?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (mFkVC)
Are we sure he's not a politician?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 01:24 PM (493sH)
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I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Was he carrying a cardboard will work for donations sign?
I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Was he carrying a cardboard will work for donations sign?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 26, 2016 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
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[Circular firing squad assembles.]
FIRE!
[Bodies drop left and right.]
RELOAD!
[Musket-balls tamped into place as everyone repositions into a new perfect circle.]
FIRE!
[Bodies drop left and right.]
RELOAD!
[Musket-balls tamped into place as everyone repositions into a new perfect circle.]
FIRE!
...etc., until all are dead.
FIRE!
[Bodies drop left and right.]
RELOAD!
[Musket-balls tamped into place as everyone repositions into a new perfect circle.]
FIRE!
[Bodies drop left and right.]
RELOAD!
[Musket-balls tamped into place as everyone repositions into a new perfect circle.]
FIRE!
...etc., until all are dead.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:24 PM (jBuUi)
74
Since hillary already said she was going to immediately open the office of Immigrant services if elected President to fast track citizenship, I think I'll take my chances with Trump...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:24 PM (O2RFr)
75
Laugh at Libs/Dems all you want, but their party delivers.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (dZ756)
76
A bear is a bear.
And Trump is Trump.
He is a NYC/NJ limo riding progressive that dressed up in the zip-up skin of a Tea Party zealot to get the nomination. Un-ziiip after the election and out steps Hillary Lite.
And Trump is Trump.
He is a NYC/NJ limo riding progressive that dressed up in the zip-up skin of a Tea Party zealot to get the nomination. Un-ziiip after the election and out steps Hillary Lite.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (OZmbA)
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I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Was he carrying a cardboard will work for donations sign?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
"Repent. The end is near!"
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Was he carrying a cardboard will work for donations sign?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
"Repent. The end is near!"
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (Cd8NC)
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slapping tracking bracelets on widows and orphans shouldn't be a problem.
Posted by: Randy Magnum at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (jCjAQ)
Dayum, another business opportunity!
Posted by: Randy Magnum at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (jCjAQ)
Dayum, another business opportunity!
Posted by: Alt RIght Industries, LLC at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (wCEn4)
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What reversal?
His tone is friendlier and somewhat sympathetic but the content hasn't changed. Still no amnesty, still everyone has to leave and maybe come back legally, and the rapists, murderers and drug dealers are going to be the first to go.
He never did say he was going to send SWAT teams into 11 million people's bedroom and drag them away at gunpoint, you know like Clinton did to Elian Gonzales.
Trump continues to say no amnesty and no legalization. So the press will say Trump reversed twice even tho he didn't change anything at all.
Supporters don't need a 50 point plan for people to pick holes through, unlike George Will and Judith Miller who should FO and go pick their own holes.
His tone is friendlier and somewhat sympathetic but the content hasn't changed. Still no amnesty, still everyone has to leave and maybe come back legally, and the rapists, murderers and drug dealers are going to be the first to go.
He never did say he was going to send SWAT teams into 11 million people's bedroom and drag them away at gunpoint, you know like Clinton did to Elian Gonzales.
Trump continues to say no amnesty and no legalization. So the press will say Trump reversed twice even tho he didn't change anything at all.
Supporters don't need a 50 point plan for people to pick holes through, unlike George Will and Judith Miller who should FO and go pick their own holes.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (iIzG7)
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No takers? Nobody's going to document this as-yet imaginary assertion?
Shouldn't be hard. Take policy statements from website, standard lines in primary speeches, contrast with comments this past week. Side by side.
Bueller?
Shouldn't be hard. Take policy statements from website, standard lines in primary speeches, contrast with comments this past week. Side by side.
Bueller?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (QDnY+)
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Trump needs to keep his advisors in their silos and decide who he's going to listen to on what issue.
Christie could fill a number of roles in a Trump administration but immigration policy ought not be one of them.
Christie could fill a number of roles in a Trump administration but immigration policy ought not be one of them.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (o+SC1)
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Man, if Mitt says something stupid she may be 3 for 3 this week.
The big thing, supposedly is that not all the illegals will be rounded up and deported. Except... No one's ever actually, seriously called for that, have they? I mean, sure, many of us (raises hand, weakly) maybe kinda want it, but come on. Slow the flow in, eject as many of the worst as you can (killers and ID thieves especially), make it tougher for illegals to get jobs (i.e. stay, and there will be fewer illegals here.
This is not rocket surgery. Sure, after the number is reduced, we can are over how many is enough and what to do about the remainder but that's later.
The big thing, supposedly is that not all the illegals will be rounded up and deported. Except... No one's ever actually, seriously called for that, have they? I mean, sure, many of us (raises hand, weakly) maybe kinda want it, but come on. Slow the flow in, eject as many of the worst as you can (killers and ID thieves especially), make it tougher for illegals to get jobs (i.e. stay, and there will be fewer illegals here.
This is not rocket surgery. Sure, after the number is reduced, we can are over how many is enough and what to do about the remainder but that's later.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (u0s1P)
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speaking of
Norway Builds a Border Wall
Scandinavians desperate to control open flow of refugees across the Arctic
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/norway-builds-border-wall/
because walls work
speaking of
Norway Builds a Border Wall
Scandinavians desperate to control open flow of refugees across the Arctic
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/norway-builds-border-wall/
because walls work
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (qCMvj)
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...slapping tracking bracelets on widows and orphans shouldn't be a problem.
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Bracelets? Implants and bar code tattoos!
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Bracelets? Implants and bar code tattoos!
Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (NUqwG)
86
Trump needs to keep his advisors in their silos and decide who he's going to listen to on what issue.
Christie could fill a number of roles in a Trump administration but immigration policy ought not be one of them.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (o+SC1)
He could fill a number of silos too. Hey-o
Christie could fill a number of roles in a Trump administration but immigration policy ought not be one of them.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (o+SC1)
He could fill a number of silos too. Hey-o
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (493sH)
87
I voted for Cruz in my primary, but right now, fuck him. Suck it up, put away those hurt feelings, and show me why I should back you in 2020.
Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (d6TTt)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (O2RFr)
89
He never did say he was going to send SWAT teams into 11 million people's bedroom and drag them away at gunpoint, you know like Clinton did to Elian Gonzales.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
I mean, technically, he was talking about having a "deportation force" in order to facilitate mass deportations.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
I mean, technically, he was talking about having a "deportation force" in order to facilitate mass deportations.
Posted by: Hal at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (9+Yad)
90
Laugh at Libs/Dems all you want, but their party delivers.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (dZ756)
They've been playing the long game for decades while the GOP Establishment wandered about in the wilderness!
Posted by: SFGoth at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (dZ756)
They've been playing the long game for decades while the GOP Establishment wandered about in the wilderness!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (wCEn4)
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Christie could fill a number of roles in a Trump administration but immigration policy ought not be one of them.
Only role he needs to fill is a jelly one.
Only role he needs to fill is a jelly one.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (Cd8NC)
92
Why aren't we discussing Trump's recent pledge to ban petroleum and its by-products from use in our economy?
Isn't that a bigger deal?
Isn't that a bigger deal?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:28 PM (QDnY+)
93
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
While not ideal, at his point I can live with that. Hillary Wormtounge following around a spiteful Obama Saruman as Trump dismantles their progressive dream piece by piece.
From a metaphor perspective it would likely work best with Boehner and Ryan, but then Hillary would have to be the king Nazgul smote by... I'll just go with it as is.
While not ideal, at his point I can live with that. Hillary Wormtounge following around a spiteful Obama Saruman as Trump dismantles their progressive dream piece by piece.
From a metaphor perspective it would likely work best with Boehner and Ryan, but then Hillary would have to be the king Nazgul smote by... I'll just go with it as is.
Posted by: Keith at August 26, 2016 01:28 PM (nFB1w)
94
Donald, never listen to that fat loser Christie. Hint: He doesn't really want you to win.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:28 PM (kXoT0)
95
81 No takers? Nobody's going to document this as-yet imaginary assertion?
Shouldn't be hard. Take policy statements from website, standard lines in primary speeches, contrast with comments this past week. Side by side.
Bueller?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (QDnY+)
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It's more fun to point you to the excerpt from the Limbaugh Show yesterday in which Rush broke down into hysterical laughter at the realization that it was going to be Trump that sells amnesty to the base and at the betrayal of Coulter during her book tour.
Shouldn't be hard. Take policy statements from website, standard lines in primary speeches, contrast with comments this past week. Side by side.
Bueller?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (QDnY+)
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It's more fun to point you to the excerpt from the Limbaugh Show yesterday in which Rush broke down into hysterical laughter at the realization that it was going to be Trump that sells amnesty to the base and at the betrayal of Coulter during her book tour.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:28 PM (mFkVC)
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89 He never did say he was going to send SWAT teams into 11 million people's bedroom and drag them away at gunpoint, you know like Clinton did to Elian Gonzales.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
I mean, technically, he was talking about having a "deportation force" in order to facilitate mass deportations.
Posted by: Hal at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (9+Yad)
He already has ICE/BP.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
I mean, technically, he was talking about having a "deportation force" in order to facilitate mass deportations.
Posted by: Hal at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (9+Yad)
He already has ICE/BP.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:28 PM (Cd8NC)
97
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
...but it has a beat I can dance to. I give it a three, Mr, Clark.
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
...but it has a beat I can dance to. I give it a three, Mr, Clark.
Posted by: 80's music fan at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (J5FDy)
98
Trump originally said he would deport all illegals and give certain ones an expedited process back into the U.S.
That's since been changed to letting some remain on a case by case basis, but cannot be citizens, if they want citizenship they have to leave and come back the right way.
All his other policies remain the same. Does this really constitute a 180 degree turn? Moreover is this really the same as the GOP-E policy of bullshit of amnesty?
Instead of emoting and waving your shriveled up dicks around saying I told you so's, explain to me how this softening constitutes a complete reversal/180 degree turn.
That's since been changed to letting some remain on a case by case basis, but cannot be citizens, if they want citizenship they have to leave and come back the right way.
All his other policies remain the same. Does this really constitute a 180 degree turn? Moreover is this really the same as the GOP-E policy of bullshit of amnesty?
Instead of emoting and waving your shriveled up dicks around saying I told you so's, explain to me how this softening constitutes a complete reversal/180 degree turn.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (qZfxn)
99
And campaign Carl, who yesterday said "Trump's softening tone may seem to suggest that he may be reversing his hardline on illegals"
'May', 'seem', 'suggest', 'may-be-reversing'.
Yep cast in stone that there sh!t is.
'May', 'seem', 'suggest', 'may-be-reversing'.
Yep cast in stone that there sh!t is.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (kfcYC)
100
Or how about Trump's revelation that he is actually a native of Zambia?
Why no discussion of that, and its impact on his campaign?
Why no discussion of that, and its impact on his campaign?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: 80's music fan at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (J5FDy)
102
Well, if you'd really like to be depressed, you can think like I do, and realize that, if Teh Donald wins the presidency, Scankles will most likely not be prosecuted in any way.
Because I can see the so-called "wise men" of the GOPe soberly advising Trump that a prosecution of a former SoS would be unprecedented, bad optics, would needlessly fuel a partisan witch hunt and would, in the end, hopelessly splinter a party which needs unity to (wink, wink) move Trump's agenda forward.
And Trump, who seems to be like Nicholas II in that he responds to whomever speaks to him last, will agree that the good of the country has to come before a political prosecution.
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
I would be happy if she is defeated in November, and eveyone that works for her going to jail for a year or more. Let them rot in jail as a warning to others. "Your masters may be untouchable, You Are Not."
Well, if you'd really like to be depressed, you can think like I do, and realize that, if Teh Donald wins the presidency, Scankles will most likely not be prosecuted in any way.
Because I can see the so-called "wise men" of the GOPe soberly advising Trump that a prosecution of a former SoS would be unprecedented, bad optics, would needlessly fuel a partisan witch hunt and would, in the end, hopelessly splinter a party which needs unity to (wink, wink) move Trump's agenda forward.
And Trump, who seems to be like Nicholas II in that he responds to whomever speaks to him last, will agree that the good of the country has to come before a political prosecution.
And the cankled, spackle-haunched, feculent, urine-stanked treasonous bitch will waddle off back to Chappaqua to spend the rest of her days in a drunken Sapphic idyll.
I would be happy if she is defeated in November, and eveyone that works for her going to jail for a year or more. Let them rot in jail as a warning to others. "Your masters may be untouchable, You Are Not."
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (7hRS/)
103
I leave you with one word.... Hillary
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (O2RFr)
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>> The big thing, supposedly is that not all the illegals
>> will be rounded up and deported. Except... No one's
>> ever actually, seriously called for that, have they?
No, it won't happen, but it really doesn't need to.
If you just aggressively enforced existing laws (including aggressively tracking down visa overstayers) you'd solve 70% of the problem. Bust up the 'sanctuary' racket and that deals with another 15%.
Then you have to reform H-1b and other visa programs, and you have to put some mechanisms in place to ensure that future administrations MUST properly enforce the law.
>> will be rounded up and deported. Except... No one's
>> ever actually, seriously called for that, have they?
No, it won't happen, but it really doesn't need to.
If you just aggressively enforced existing laws (including aggressively tracking down visa overstayers) you'd solve 70% of the problem. Bust up the 'sanctuary' racket and that deals with another 15%.
Then you have to reform H-1b and other visa programs, and you have to put some mechanisms in place to ensure that future administrations MUST properly enforce the law.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (o+SC1)
105
>>speaking of
Norway Builds a Border Wall
- Scandinavians desperate to control open flow of refugees across the Arctic
Check out the fence decorations at the Hungarian border:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/08/watch-out-for-that-magyar-mojo/
Norway Builds a Border Wall
- Scandinavians desperate to control open flow of refugees across the Arctic
Check out the fence decorations at the Hungarian border:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/08/watch-out-for-that-magyar-mojo/
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (NOIQH)
106
I don't disagree with Trump's new approach and rhetoric. I just wish he would have introduced it sooner and in increments instead of it all at once. By dumping it all at once it gives it the perception as a total flip. Actually if I was truthful it makes me a little annoyed because it was his hard line position that won the primaries for him so in essence he lied to his voters which was not fair to my candidate. But hey, who said politics was fair.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (Sc+fF)
107
He never did say he was going to send SWAT teams into 11 million people's bedroom and drag them away at gunpoint, you know like Clinton did to Elian Gonzales.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
He does have to. He needs a couple of raids on companies that hire illegals. Enough to scare the shite out of the companies and illegals and say more are coming and the problem could resolve itself. That and put the clampdown on "sanctuary" cities and all freebies and benefits they get but shouldn't
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
He does have to. He needs a couple of raids on companies that hire illegals. Enough to scare the shite out of the companies and illegals and say more are coming and the problem could resolve itself. That and put the clampdown on "sanctuary" cities and all freebies and benefits they get but shouldn't
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (493sH)
108
86 Trump needs to keep his advisors in their silos and decide who he's going to listen to on what issue.
Trump did exactly the right thing at the right time...
He needed to allow the people who didn't want the hard line on immigration the possibility that he had modified his position. Now, they have the ability to believe Trump will allow the "good" illegals to stay and the "bad" illegals to go.
Also, he has blunted an area that the press could bash him, by giving surrogates the ability to argue both sides.
Fuck the actual position. This is how you win elections.
86 Trump needs to keep his advisors in their silos and decide who he's going to listen to on what issue.
Trump did exactly the right thing at the right time...
He needed to allow the people who didn't want the hard line on immigration the possibility that he had modified his position. Now, they have the ability to believe Trump will allow the "good" illegals to stay and the "bad" illegals to go.
Also, he has blunted an area that the press could bash him, by giving surrogates the ability to argue both sides.
Fuck the actual position. This is how you win elections.
Posted by: jwest at August 26, 2016 01:31 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:31 PM (OUjkK)
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And why does Ann Coulter have to answer for everything Trump nuances during interviews with the Gotcha Media?
She literally just now put out a book saying how awesome Trump is and how great The Wall will be and/but if Trump softens (or seems to soften) on that, it'd be the worst thing in the history of ever.
The timing could not have been worse, whatever else one may say about the specifics and whatnot.
She literally just now put out a book saying how awesome Trump is and how great The Wall will be and/but if Trump softens (or seems to soften) on that, it'd be the worst thing in the history of ever.
The timing could not have been worse, whatever else one may say about the specifics and whatnot.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:31 PM (u0s1P)
111
Ann needs to stop hopscotching around with these male media darlings and find a real man like Bill Maher.
Posted by: Fritz at August 26, 2016 01:31 PM (HVQlX)
112
I think people care more about the border than immigration in particular.
We know we have an immigration problem, don't make it worse with an unsecure border.
FIX THE BORDER
We know we have an immigration problem, don't make it worse with an unsecure border.
FIX THE BORDER
Posted by: Max Power at August 26, 2016 01:31 PM (q177U)
113
I still haven't answered the first question.....why do I care about Ann Counter?
She is a controversy huckster looking to get on t.v. to sell a few more books.
She is a controversy huckster looking to get on t.v. to sell a few more books.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (/HC6x)
114
He does have to. He needs a couple of raids on companies that hire illegals. Enough to scare the shite out of the companies and illegals and say more are coming and the problem could resolve itself. That and put the clampdown on "sanctuary" cities and all freebies and benefits they get but shouldn't
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (493sH)
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This is a serious question: in all his hardline, anti-illegal-immigration talk, has Trump ever discussed going after employers?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (493sH)
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This is a serious question: in all his hardline, anti-illegal-immigration talk, has Trump ever discussed going after employers?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (mFkVC)
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I'll say this, I honestly don't know what the reversal and to me it's just sort of this thing the MSM has all sort of agreed on that they would push. Like he made some big speech taking back that he was going to be tough on illegal immigration.
Isn't it funny that the same people that tried to paint this position as fascism are now attacking him for a "reversal" that really isn't even there?
Isn't it funny that the same people that tried to paint this position as fascism are now attacking him for a "reversal" that really isn't even there?
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (U2pFT)
116
It's gonna be a nasty ass business trying to corral all the illegals running rampant all over the place.
Hillary won't ever do shit about it, because she'd be deporting Democrats, fer crissake.
Trump may fuck it up, but he's a damn sight more likely to try.
Hillary won't ever do shit about it, because she'd be deporting Democrats, fer crissake.
Trump may fuck it up, but he's a damn sight more likely to try.
Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (d6TTt)
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What's changed in Trump's position?
Sending out the Trump Gestapo to kick in doors at 2 am to enforce the mass deportation of millions was never going to happen. Among other issues, we're going to see a lot of judges refuse to enforce the law on what should be routine deportation matters.
What will work is to go after employers, end benefits, end sanctuary cities and reverse Obama's executive orders. A President Trump can do a lot here without Congress as it would mostly just require enforcing existing law.
There's been a purposeful attempt to make Trump look like a flip-flopper, and to promote the lie that he's now taking Jeb's position -- Jeb himself is pushing it.
Sending out the Trump Gestapo to kick in doors at 2 am to enforce the mass deportation of millions was never going to happen. Among other issues, we're going to see a lot of judges refuse to enforce the law on what should be routine deportation matters.
What will work is to go after employers, end benefits, end sanctuary cities and reverse Obama's executive orders. A President Trump can do a lot here without Congress as it would mostly just require enforcing existing law.
There's been a purposeful attempt to make Trump look like a flip-flopper, and to promote the lie that he's now taking Jeb's position -- Jeb himself is pushing it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (r1fLd)
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85 ...slapping tracking bracelets on widows and orphans shouldn't be a problem.
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Bracelets? Implants and bar code tattoos!
Posted by: RioBravo
Back when I was a kid I found one of those evangelical extremist Christian booklets on the ground which spun a breathless conspiracy theory about people getting bar-code tattoos on their foreheads as the future substitute for money, just as predicted in the Book of Revelations with "the number of the Beast" being marked on people's bodies, and how it would foretell the End of the World. Oh how we kids laughed at this crazy little booklet and its funny conspiracy theories.
Then, just yesterday, the guy in front of me in line at the store paid for his purchase by waving his Apple Watch at the card-swipe machine, and bing! he was on his way.
That booklet is not so funny, now.
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Bracelets? Implants and bar code tattoos!
Posted by: RioBravo
Back when I was a kid I found one of those evangelical extremist Christian booklets on the ground which spun a breathless conspiracy theory about people getting bar-code tattoos on their foreheads as the future substitute for money, just as predicted in the Book of Revelations with "the number of the Beast" being marked on people's bodies, and how it would foretell the End of the World. Oh how we kids laughed at this crazy little booklet and its funny conspiracy theories.
Then, just yesterday, the guy in front of me in line at the store paid for his purchase by waving his Apple Watch at the card-swipe machine, and bing! he was on his way.
That booklet is not so funny, now.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)
119
Clapped eyes on Coulter in passing in Century City a few years back. She's kinda hawt in a pointy-elbow way.
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at August 26, 2016 01:33 PM (ucB75)
120
I saw Ted Cruz walking down the street this morning, smiling and saying "I told you so."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Was he carrying a cardboard will work for donations sign?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
"Repent. The end is near!"
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (Cd8NC)
"Will put a cap in JFKs ass for money"
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (iIzG7)
Was he carrying a cardboard will work for donations sign?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
"Repent. The end is near!"
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (Cd8NC)
"Will put a cap in JFKs ass for money"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 01:33 PM (X6fMO)
121
Ann Coulter is so annoying. When she was on RedEye she would laugh at her own jokes all the time. I'll take Laura Ingraham over her any day.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 01:33 PM (6IPEM)
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Jeb: There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined power, we can end these destructive borders and bring a new world order to America.
Trump Voters: I'll never join you!
Jeb: If you only knew the global power of the Donor Class. Breitbart never told you what would happen to Donald Trump. That he would become me.
Trump Voters: He told me enough! He told me *you* were my real enemy!
Jeb: No. *I* am your true leader.
Trump voters: No. No. That's not true. That's impossible!
Jeb: Search your feelings, you *know* it to be true!
Trump voters: No! No!
Trump Voters: I'll never join you!
Jeb: If you only knew the global power of the Donor Class. Breitbart never told you what would happen to Donald Trump. That he would become me.
Trump Voters: He told me enough! He told me *you* were my real enemy!
Jeb: No. *I* am your true leader.
Trump voters: No. No. That's not true. That's impossible!
Jeb: Search your feelings, you *know* it to be true!
Trump voters: No! No!
Posted by: The GOP-e Narrative at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (PL2OL)
123
I saw the Spinning Trumptones open for the Four Excuses at the Meadowlands in 2016.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (Sc+fF)
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This is not rocket surgery. Sure, after the number is reduced, we can argue over how many is enough and what to do about the remainder but that's later.
Idiot. That's what you actually meant, right?
Idiot. That's what you actually meant, right?
Posted by: Skance S'Lornick at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (u0s1P)
125
Best thing would be to close the borders for 5 or 10 years, and try to get a handle on all of it.
Coming here is not a right.
Coming here is not a right.
Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (d6TTt)
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I think too many reporters are interviewing Trump groupies and then running with the idea that "Trump has made a big policy change"
But if you want to go down the path that Trump is softening on this issue, who exactly will it win over?
If you've noticed, almost none of Hillary's attack have been regarding TRump's position on a wall or enforcing immigration laws.
But if you want to go down the path that Trump is softening on this issue, who exactly will it win over?
If you've noticed, almost none of Hillary's attack have been regarding TRump's position on a wall or enforcing immigration laws.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (U2pFT)
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76 A bear is a bear.
And Trump is Trump.
He is a NYC/NJ limo riding progressive that dressed up in the zip-up skin of a Tea Party zealot to get the nomination. Un-ziiip after the election and out steps Hillary Lite.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (OZmbA)
He's also a poopy-face doodoo head, and other equally-salient points.
101 Am I banned?
No?
Good.
Posted by: 80's music fan at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (J5FDy)
______
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
And Trump is Trump.
He is a NYC/NJ limo riding progressive that dressed up in the zip-up skin of a Tea Party zealot to get the nomination. Un-ziiip after the election and out steps Hillary Lite.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM (OZmbA)
He's also a poopy-face doodoo head, and other equally-salient points.
101 Am I banned?
No?
Good.
Posted by: 80's music fan at August 26, 2016 01:30 PM (J5FDy)
______
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Posted by: Randy Magnum at August 26, 2016 01:35 PM (jCjAQ)
128
LePage is the Governor of Maine...Not Oregon.
Posted by: Ronald Miller at August 26, 2016 01:35 PM (0vE9Z)
129
Has anyone else heard about a Grand Wizard of the kkk endorsing her Heinous? There is a video of him doing this and I don't believe she denounced it either
Ku Klux Klan leader Will Quigg endorses Hillary Clinton for president.---via gateway pundit
http://www.thegatewaypundit. com /2016/08/ video-kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-hillary-clinton/
** remove spaces
Ku Klux Klan leader Will Quigg endorses Hillary Clinton for president.---via gateway pundit
http://www.thegatewaypundit. com /2016/08/ video-kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-hillary-clinton/
** remove spaces
Posted by: lindafell de spair- racist, mysognistic, uneducated, bitter, redneck, Moron in TEXIT! at August 26, 2016 01:35 PM (xVgrA)
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Joe, you're a regular and a substance guy.
What's the "reversal"?
As in - which specific, concrete policy proposals/positions have changed? Can you side/side them for comparison?
There is almost certainly no "there" there (uh, here), yet here is the third post in 2 days discussing it, with public figures dissecting the motivations, etc.
WHAT are we talking about?
What's the "reversal"?
As in - which specific, concrete policy proposals/positions have changed? Can you side/side them for comparison?
There is almost certainly no "there" there (uh, here), yet here is the third post in 2 days discussing it, with public figures dissecting the motivations, etc.
WHAT are we talking about?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:35 PM (QDnY+)
131
If you've noticed, almost none of Hillary's attack have been regarding TRump's position on a wall or enforcing immigration laws.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (U2pFT)
Correct... She's more into the tin foil hat stuff... Oh and KKK!
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (U2pFT)
Correct... She's more into the tin foil hat stuff... Oh and KKK!
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:35 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (dFi94)
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113 I still haven't answered the first question.....why do I care about Ann Counter?
She is a controversy huckster looking to get on t.v. to sell a few more books.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (/HC6x)
Coulter is a talented conservative writer and speaker who is fearless in her convictions and meticulous in her research. If 10% of the supposed "conservative" writers had a fraction of her talent and commitment, the world would be a better place.
113 I still haven't answered the first question.....why do I care about Ann Counter?
She is a controversy huckster looking to get on t.v. to sell a few more books.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (/HC6x)
Coulter is a talented conservative writer and speaker who is fearless in her convictions and meticulous in her research. If 10% of the supposed "conservative" writers had a fraction of her talent and commitment, the world would be a better place.
Posted by: jwest at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
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Eh, Trump's smart enough to realize that his power,
if he wins, derives directly from the people who elected him.
He pretty much owes the GOPe nothing.
So, if he were to pull a big reversal on immigration, which in my reading, he hasn't,
that would be the day his presidency ends.
Instant lame duck.
All of his supporters would bail and he would be at the mercy of the GOPe and Dims.
I don't see that happening.
But hey, we'll see.
if he wins, derives directly from the people who elected him.
He pretty much owes the GOPe nothing.
So, if he were to pull a big reversal on immigration, which in my reading, he hasn't,
that would be the day his presidency ends.
Instant lame duck.
All of his supporters would bail and he would be at the mercy of the GOPe and Dims.
I don't see that happening.
But hey, we'll see.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (HGtd0)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (O2RFr)
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While the media is trying to pull supporters away from Trump, they might just be pushing "moderates" toward him.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 26, 2016 01:37 PM (GzDYP)
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Oh, and Deportation Force sounds like a comic book/Saturday Morning cartoon franchise with great G.I. Joe-esque toys.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:37 PM (u0s1P)
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I want the end of sanctuary cities,the border secured and the immediate deportation of criminal illegals,which can be done.Any attempt at en masse deportation will bring the well funded left out and there will be rioting in the streets of every major city in this country,and that will make it impossible to do the other things.
I want the end of sanctuary cities,the border secured and the immediate deportation of criminal illegals,which can be done.Any attempt at en masse deportation will bring the well funded left out and there will be rioting in the streets of every major city in this country,and that will make it impossible to do the other things.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 26, 2016 01:37 PM (lKyWE)
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>>Correct... She's more into the tin foil hat stuff... Oh and KKK!
A "vast alt-rightwing conspiracy," if you will...
What's old is new again.
A "vast alt-rightwing conspiracy," if you will...
What's old is new again.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:37 PM (NOIQH)
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"Will put a cap in JFKs ass for money"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
*snort*
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
*snort*
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (Cd8NC)
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>>>123 I saw the Spinning Trumptones open for the Four Excuses at the Meadowlands in 2016.
I saw Trump execute a triple Lindy at the Great Lakes U diving meet in '86.
I saw Trump execute a triple Lindy at the Great Lakes U diving meet in '86.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (MK9cc)
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I really hate E-Verify. Because the Feds failed at what is their number one job - securing our borders - and because they don't want to deport those who are illegally in this country, *I* have to ask for the federal government's permission to get a job or to hire someone? That's some bullshit right there.
And what happens when the Feds expand this program to block "the wrong kind of people" (e.g., their political foes) from getting jobs, or from getting certain jobs? E-Verify is shit.
And what happens when the Feds expand this program to block "the wrong kind of people" (e.g., their political foes) from getting jobs, or from getting certain jobs? E-Verify is shit.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (4ueYo)
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If you've noticed, almost none of Hillary's attack have been regarding TRump's position on a wall or enforcing immigration laws.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (U2pFT)
Correct... She's more into the tin foil hat stuff... Oh and KKK!
Posted by: donna
If Trump looks like the immigration stuff is just hot air, he's done, and the Democrats/MSM/NeverTrumpers know this.
Deep down, they know this is striking a chord with the Silent Majority, so if they can separate Trump from this issue, they know his baggage will sink him.
You'll notice Hillary only attacks the "baggage" not his actual agenda because she knows its popular with the working/middle class.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:34 PM (U2pFT)
Correct... She's more into the tin foil hat stuff... Oh and KKK!
Posted by: donna
If Trump looks like the immigration stuff is just hot air, he's done, and the Democrats/MSM/NeverTrumpers know this.
Deep down, they know this is striking a chord with the Silent Majority, so if they can separate Trump from this issue, they know his baggage will sink him.
You'll notice Hillary only attacks the "baggage" not his actual agenda because she knows its popular with the working/middle class.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (U2pFT)
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Back when I was a kid I found one of those evangelical extremist Christian booklets on the ground which spun a breathless conspiracy theory about people getting bar-code tattoos on their foreheads as the future substitute for money, just as predicted in the Book of Revelations with "the number of the Beast" being marked on people's bodies, and how it would foretell the End of the World. Oh how we kids laughed at this crazy little booklet and its funny conspiracy theories.
Then, just yesterday, the guy in front of me in line at the store paid for his purchase by waving his Apple Watch at the card-swipe machine, and bing! he was on his way.
That booklet is not so funny, now.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)
Shorter zombie: Jack Chick, you magnificent bastard. I read your book(let).
Then, just yesterday, the guy in front of me in line at the store paid for his purchase by waving his Apple Watch at the card-swipe machine, and bing! he was on his way.
That booklet is not so funny, now.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)
Shorter zombie: Jack Chick, you magnificent bastard. I read your book(let).
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (yn2Me)
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Admittedly, deportation is a massive issue, especially when you would be deporting the custodial parents of American citizens born here.
We need a few things to make the illegal alien problem go completely away.
1. Stop ignoring the employment of illegal aliens by anyone. Make the documentation for getting employed more than producing a Social Security card to be copied and attached to an I9 form. Make employing illegal aliens BOTH costly and punitive.
2. Shut down services to illegals--completely full stop. No free anything. I know that is harsh and bitter and all kinds of ugly, but, it's got to be done. It's one of the major carrots luring illegals.
3. Strict border control, through a wall/trenches/land mines or whatever. Letting the cartels and others build tunnels is completely unacceptable. We have the technology to know what the subsurface strata should look like along the border and when it changes, we go fix that with extreme prejudice.
We need a few things to make the illegal alien problem go completely away.
1. Stop ignoring the employment of illegal aliens by anyone. Make the documentation for getting employed more than producing a Social Security card to be copied and attached to an I9 form. Make employing illegal aliens BOTH costly and punitive.
2. Shut down services to illegals--completely full stop. No free anything. I know that is harsh and bitter and all kinds of ugly, but, it's got to be done. It's one of the major carrots luring illegals.
3. Strict border control, through a wall/trenches/land mines or whatever. Letting the cartels and others build tunnels is completely unacceptable. We have the technology to know what the subsurface strata should look like along the border and when it changes, we go fix that with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (kXoT0)
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Eh, Trump's smart enough to realize that his power,
if he wins, derives directly from the people who elected him.
He pretty much owes the GOPe nothing.
So, if he were to pull a big reversal on immigration, which in my reading, he hasn't,
that would be the day his presidency ends.
Instant lame duck.
All of his supporters would bail and he would be at the mercy of the GOPe and Dims.
I don't see that happening.
But hey, we'll see.
I think you forgot the part where if he wins he is president for 4 years. If he looses all of his supporters, so what? He is still president for 4 years. That does not change if he looses all his supporters.
You all seem to forget that simple fact when you try to walk away from his daily changes of mind towards policy positions.
if he wins, derives directly from the people who elected him.
He pretty much owes the GOPe nothing.
So, if he were to pull a big reversal on immigration, which in my reading, he hasn't,
that would be the day his presidency ends.
Instant lame duck.
All of his supporters would bail and he would be at the mercy of the GOPe and Dims.
I don't see that happening.
But hey, we'll see.
I think you forgot the part where if he wins he is president for 4 years. If he looses all of his supporters, so what? He is still president for 4 years. That does not change if he looses all his supporters.
You all seem to forget that simple fact when you try to walk away from his daily changes of mind towards policy positions.
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (mXv3y)
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I don't disagree with Trump's new approach and rhetoric. I just wish he would have introduced it sooner and in increments instead of it all at once.
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He's not a politician so he doesn't know how to smoothly transition or tweak policy positions, especially since he's off the cuff and speaks brashly. It was the same with the refugees, he originally said it was a humane thing to do but quickly changed his tune. Is he just full of shit, or is he just trying to grapple with a coherent platform that will please his base and help him win? We won't know until we elect him.
People point at this as proof that he'll govern like Obama. But the reality is, he is the only one saying he will enforce our immigration laws and build the wall. Hillary is saying none of that.
So while we have NO chance that Hillary will secure our borders, at least with Trump there is a small chance he will enact his policies, even as he's been groping in the dark trying to put it all together. Isn't that alone worth the vote?
Would you seriously trust Cruz to secure the border? Or Bush, or Rubio, or anyone else? With alternatives like that, it's telling that despite Trump walkbacks he still remains the most credible on immigration.
So instead of shooting our dicks off and thinking we can survive 4 years of Hillary with a GOP congress to keep her in check (LOL) how about giving the carnival barker a chance to prove he's not full of shit after all.
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He's not a politician so he doesn't know how to smoothly transition or tweak policy positions, especially since he's off the cuff and speaks brashly. It was the same with the refugees, he originally said it was a humane thing to do but quickly changed his tune. Is he just full of shit, or is he just trying to grapple with a coherent platform that will please his base and help him win? We won't know until we elect him.
People point at this as proof that he'll govern like Obama. But the reality is, he is the only one saying he will enforce our immigration laws and build the wall. Hillary is saying none of that.
So while we have NO chance that Hillary will secure our borders, at least with Trump there is a small chance he will enact his policies, even as he's been groping in the dark trying to put it all together. Isn't that alone worth the vote?
Would you seriously trust Cruz to secure the border? Or Bush, or Rubio, or anyone else? With alternatives like that, it's telling that despite Trump walkbacks he still remains the most credible on immigration.
So instead of shooting our dicks off and thinking we can survive 4 years of Hillary with a GOP congress to keep her in check (LOL) how about giving the carnival barker a chance to prove he's not full of shit after all.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (qZfxn)
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I want the end of sanctuary cities,the border secured and the immediate deportation of criminal illegals,which can be done.
Any attempt at en masse deportation will bring the well funded left out and there will be rioting in the streets of every major city in this country,
Ok. They best be careful of what they wish for.
Any attempt at en masse deportation will bring the well funded left out and there will be rioting in the streets of every major city in this country,
Ok. They best be careful of what they wish for.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (Cd8NC)
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The media set this up again. They've done it over and over this election cycle.
They report that Trump changed and everyone jumps all over it. Then it turns out not to be true.
They report that Trump changed and everyone jumps all over it. Then it turns out not to be true.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (OUjkK)
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I don't look for DT to do a lot about immigration, unfortunately.
However, he is the unconventional candidate and if he manages to win he will insert a thorny branch into many of the entrenched asses in D.C. and that's worth voting for.
So, don't get too mad at me for having my say about Trump's liberal propensity. I'll vote for the guy, because.
However, he is the unconventional candidate and if he manages to win he will insert a thorny branch into many of the entrenched asses in D.C. and that's worth voting for.
So, don't get too mad at me for having my say about Trump's liberal propensity. I'll vote for the guy, because.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (OZmbA)
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Chris Collins said it was his idea during a talk at my company today. I think he was just bragging since he was the first representative to support Trump.
Posted by: Pyrocles at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (RNv8W)
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That booklet is not so funny, now.
Posted by: zombie
Zombie, that was a Jack T. Chick comic fot sure. You can read them for free on chick.com.
The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it was written about Nero, a corrupt scumball control freak.
Ie. it is a book that in part observes human psychology at its worst, and since human nature hasn't really changed much, it will still be relevant in many of its observations.
Posted by: zombie
Zombie, that was a Jack T. Chick comic fot sure. You can read them for free on chick.com.
The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it was written about Nero, a corrupt scumball control freak.
Ie. it is a book that in part observes human psychology at its worst, and since human nature hasn't really changed much, it will still be relevant in many of its observations.
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 26, 2016 01:40 PM (ZKlDy)
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The elites and pundits can easily help Trump to victory by ALL CRITICIZING HIM RELENTLESSLY. Because at this point the voters hate and distrust everyone in power, everyone on TV, every self-appointed "leader."
The more "our betters" dump on Trump, the more the average American will rally to his side, just because he has become the symbol of "anyone but you insider asswipes."
The more "our betters" dump on Trump, the more the average American will rally to his side, just because he has become the symbol of "anyone but you insider asswipes."
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:40 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Billy Occam at August 26, 2016 01:40 PM (/542q)
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Trump's big what???
See, I love some of you people like a brothel, but you've been trained by whomever, to think in ways that cause you no end of difficulty with this Don Trump guy.
He doesn't think like you, and so he doesn't talk like you, and you have a hard time adjusting to him, when he says something that seems like a reversal.
I don't know what to tell you, other than to suggest you stop trying to have internal consistency to the utterances from Don Trump.
If you want that... if you NEED that, you are always going to be disappointed.
See, I love some of you people like a brothel, but you've been trained by whomever, to think in ways that cause you no end of difficulty with this Don Trump guy.
He doesn't think like you, and so he doesn't talk like you, and you have a hard time adjusting to him, when he says something that seems like a reversal.
I don't know what to tell you, other than to suggest you stop trying to have internal consistency to the utterances from Don Trump.
If you want that... if you NEED that, you are always going to be disappointed.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (TOk1P)
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>>you seem concerned....
Person is never *not* concerned.
You might even say it's xer job to be so very concerned.
Person is never *not* concerned.
You might even say it's xer job to be so very concerned.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (NOIQH)
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Coulter is a talented conservative writer and speaker who is fearless in her convictions and meticulous in her research. If 10% of the supposed "conservative" writers had a fraction of her talent and commitment, the world would be a better place.
Posted by: jwest at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
Agreed. I often find her abhorrent, but, dang, the girl can write and research. Her book, Treason, ought to be required reading for any family's yutes.
Posted by: jwest at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
Agreed. I often find her abhorrent, but, dang, the girl can write and research. Her book, Treason, ought to be required reading for any family's yutes.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (kXoT0)
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>>>Well, if you'd really like to be depressed, you can think like I do, and realize that, if Teh Donald wins the presidency, Scankles will most likely not be prosecuted in any way.
While this is absolutely true, it's preferable to her, you know, actually BEING the president.
While this is absolutely true, it's preferable to her, you know, actually BEING the president.
Posted by: Max Power at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (q177U)
Posted by: cicerokid at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (wWz7w)
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132 Man alive. What a stinkbomb of a campaign this is.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (dFi94)
Thank you. I really love my work.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:36 PM (dFi94)
Thank you. I really love my work.
Posted by: The Lake o' Fire Health Spa, Beel Q. Zebub, Proprietor at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (yn2Me)
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So, if he were to pull a big reversal on immigration, which in my reading, he hasn't,
that would be the day his presidency ends.
Instant lame duck.
All of his supporters would bail and he would be at the mercy of the GOPe and Dims.
I don't see that happening.
But hey, we'll see.
Posted by: naturalfake
Nope.
His candidacy has nothing to do with policy.
Not a damned thing. His candidacy is nothing more than the base giving notice to the purported party of conservatism.
That notice begins with a "Fuck," and ends with a "You."
Also, you're going to wear out your return key if you keep humping it like that.
So, if he were to pull a big reversal on immigration, which in my reading, he hasn't,
that would be the day his presidency ends.
Instant lame duck.
All of his supporters would bail and he would be at the mercy of the GOPe and Dims.
I don't see that happening.
But hey, we'll see.
Posted by: naturalfake
Nope.
His candidacy has nothing to do with policy.
Not a damned thing. His candidacy is nothing more than the base giving notice to the purported party of conservatism.
That notice begins with a "Fuck," and ends with a "You."
Also, you're going to wear out your return key if you keep humping it like that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (V3IFq)
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149 The media set this up again. They've done it over and over this election cycle.
They report that Trump changed and everyone jumps all over it. Then it turns out not to be true.
They are pushing so hard at suppressing Trump's turnout I have to wonder just how comfortable they are with those polling numbers. They have so tarnished the little remaining credibility they have I would think they would not be so blatant in so many ways if they did not have to. Maybe wishful thinking,
They report that Trump changed and everyone jumps all over it. Then it turns out not to be true.
They are pushing so hard at suppressing Trump's turnout I have to wonder just how comfortable they are with those polling numbers. They have so tarnished the little remaining credibility they have I would think they would not be so blatant in so many ways if they did not have to. Maybe wishful thinking,
Posted by: Keith at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (nFB1w)
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Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (kXoT0)
Its is still a felony to knowingly aid an illegal alien to stay in this country...
We need to prosecute GOVERNMENT WORKERS and POLITICIANS under this law.
Things would change pretty dang quickly then.
Its is still a felony to knowingly aid an illegal alien to stay in this country...
We need to prosecute GOVERNMENT WORKERS and POLITICIANS under this law.
Things would change pretty dang quickly then.
Posted by: Don Quixote at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (qf6WZ)
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That booklet is not so funny, now.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)
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Welcome to my 8th grade Sunday School class.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (jBuUi)
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Welcome to my 8th grade Sunday School class.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (dFi94)
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Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:35 PM (QDnY+)
Go back to the debate in November 2015 when Trump said he would deport 11 million illegal aliens and his Deportation Force plan.
Go back to the debate in November 2015 when Trump said he would deport 11 million illegal aliens and his Deportation Force plan.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (Sc+fF)
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (OZmbA)
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I think you forgot the part where if he wins he is president for 4 years. If he looses all of his supporters, so what?
He would then have no support when the dems/gope start impeachment proceedings on some charge. Trumped up or not.
He would then have no support when the dems/gope start impeachment proceedings on some charge. Trumped up or not.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (Cd8NC)
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>>>Would you seriously trust Cruz to secure the border? Or Bush, or Rubio, or anyone else? With alternatives like that, it's telling that despite Trump walkbacks he still remains the most credible on immigration.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (qZfxn)>>>
I don't find Trump credible on immigration. I find Trump more credible than Bush or Rubio, but that's a low bar. I find Cruz more credible than Trump, but that's a pretty low bar too.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (qZfxn)>>>
I don't find Trump credible on immigration. I find Trump more credible than Bush or Rubio, but that's a low bar. I find Cruz more credible than Trump, but that's a pretty low bar too.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (4ueYo)
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There's at least two sides to the "crack down on employers" part of this. Side A is yeah, lots of employers exploit illegals. I'm sure OSHA could have a field day at those, because any place sketchy enough to pay cheap wages in cash, etc. is prooobably not the safest place. So sure, crack down on them.
Side B is all the identity theft that makes it hard for employers (assuming they care, to be fair) to know for sure and police it themselves. So that part-- crack down on the offenders, make E-verify work... It's tougher.
And then there's the visas and some other things I'm blanking on. Like the Chamber of Commerce and all those lobbying groups. Those make it harder to reform the system.
Side B is all the identity theft that makes it hard for employers (assuming they care, to be fair) to know for sure and police it themselves. So that part-- crack down on the offenders, make E-verify work... It's tougher.
And then there's the visas and some other things I'm blanking on. Like the Chamber of Commerce and all those lobbying groups. Those make it harder to reform the system.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (u0s1P)
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>> Man alive. What a stinkbomb of a campaign this is.
It is an UNDISCIPLINED campaign, but had Trump tried to run a DISCIPLINED campaign he likely wouldn't have attracted much interest in the first place.
This is the point at which Trump needs some discipline.
The Khizr Khan thing is exactly the kind of thing he shouldn't do - there is a very small number of INDIVIDUALS he should ever disparage by name, Obama, Hillary, various Cabinet officials and Hillary minions, and billionaire Dem backers.
Don't punch down unless the target's clearly unsympathetic.
It is an UNDISCIPLINED campaign, but had Trump tried to run a DISCIPLINED campaign he likely wouldn't have attracted much interest in the first place.
This is the point at which Trump needs some discipline.
The Khizr Khan thing is exactly the kind of thing he shouldn't do - there is a very small number of INDIVIDUALS he should ever disparage by name, Obama, Hillary, various Cabinet officials and Hillary minions, and billionaire Dem backers.
Don't punch down unless the target's clearly unsympathetic.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (o+SC1)
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The "deportation force" is ICE, BP, DHS, the DOJ and judicial elements that are involved. They've existed forever. It's a routine part of their mission and capabilities and authorities. Forever.
Enforcing current law - which now, for the first time in history, would include federal administrative or congressional budgetary moves to eliminate lawlessness at the state/municipal level ("sanctuaries") - at the level it was enforced up until the late 80s would result in a dramatically improved situation.
Securing the border - easy, not expensive, not difficult - along with what historically was routine enforcement of the laws would of course dramatically improve not just illegal migration but smuggling and security as well.
None of this is arguable, or complicated, but that it is beyond the understanding of so many (including large swathes of the Horde) is yet another good index of how bleak our situation is.
Enforcing current law - which now, for the first time in history, would include federal administrative or congressional budgetary moves to eliminate lawlessness at the state/municipal level ("sanctuaries") - at the level it was enforced up until the late 80s would result in a dramatically improved situation.
Securing the border - easy, not expensive, not difficult - along with what historically was routine enforcement of the laws would of course dramatically improve not just illegal migration but smuggling and security as well.
None of this is arguable, or complicated, but that it is beyond the understanding of so many (including large swathes of the Horde) is yet another good index of how bleak our situation is.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (QDnY+)
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Hello, hellory has also been endorsed by kkk members.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/video-kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-hillary-clinton/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/video-kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-hillary-clinton/
Posted by: lindafell de spair- racist, mysognistic, uneducated, bitter, redneck, Moron in TEXIT! at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (xVgrA)
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Saw yet another Trump yard sign yesterday and a Trump bumper sticker. Nothing for the FAB anywhere.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (CFc5L)
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You all seem to forget that simple fact when you try to walk away from his daily changes of mind towards policy positions.
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (mXv3y)
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I listen to him quite often, and what you're saying simply isn't true. You get all your info on him from the MFM, don't you?
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (mXv3y)
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I listen to him quite often, and what you're saying simply isn't true. You get all your info on him from the MFM, don't you?
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (Fmupd)
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You'll notice Hillary only attacks the "baggage" not his actual agenda because she knows its popular with the working/middle class.
by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (U2pFT)
Just needed to repeat this.
by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (U2pFT)
Just needed to repeat this.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (7hRS/)
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149 The media set this up again. They've done it over and over this election cycle.
They report that Trump changed and everyone jumps all over it. Then it turns out not to be true.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (OUjkK)
It's just the same old shit they do, over and over.
Throw a ball of tinfoil across the floor, and watch em chase it.
This sort of "story" is provided to give talking points to the anti Trump people, primarily for Republican Elites and Principled Conservatives arrayed against Trump.
Also grist for the mills of the Agent Provacateurs and demoralizers that pop up all over the place.
They report that Trump changed and everyone jumps all over it. Then it turns out not to be true.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (OUjkK)
It's just the same old shit they do, over and over.
Throw a ball of tinfoil across the floor, and watch em chase it.
This sort of "story" is provided to give talking points to the anti Trump people, primarily for Republican Elites and Principled Conservatives arrayed against Trump.
Also grist for the mills of the Agent Provacateurs and demoralizers that pop up all over the place.
Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (d6TTt)
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Shorter zombie: Jack Chick, you magnificent bastard. I read your book(let).
Posted by: OregonMuse
Interestingly, this book was NOT by Chick Publications, but one of their lesser-known competitors. Same exact format, though. But (ooooh!) color printing inside!
I actually still have it, tucked away in some file somewhere of "childhood mementos."
Posted by: OregonMuse
Interestingly, this book was NOT by Chick Publications, but one of their lesser-known competitors. Same exact format, though. But (ooooh!) color printing inside!
I actually still have it, tucked away in some file somewhere of "childhood mementos."
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (jBuUi)
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I'm really not fond of Coulter.....
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (O2RFr)
Nearly every time I hear Coulter's name mentioned, I recall this 'essay' I read years ago, and laugh.
Text NSFW:
http://tinyurl.com/j7vp997
I'm really not fond of Coulter.....
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (O2RFr)
Nearly every time I hear Coulter's name mentioned, I recall this 'essay' I read years ago, and laugh.
Text NSFW:
http://tinyurl.com/j7vp997
Posted by: Ian R. R. Galt at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (8iiMU)
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Awww, c'mon, Pixy! Unitalic.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (jBuUi)
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I don't remember this kind of animosity towards Romney, a real democrat who I hated and could not stand, but I refrained from bashing him once he became the nominee. Yet this time it's been open season on shooting our dicks and dildos off. Honestly, many of you really want Hillary to win. There's no other explanation for this deranged behavior, which if anything, should have been directed at Romney.
The reality is, Trump is competitive in Florida and Ohio, absolutely crucial states. If he retains all the states Romney won and wins Florida and Ohio, he can pull this off.
So stop fucking about, and like Nigel Farage says, get your goddamned walking boots on and go knocking on doors.
The reality is, Trump is competitive in Florida and Ohio, absolutely crucial states. If he retains all the states Romney won and wins Florida and Ohio, he can pull this off.
So stop fucking about, and like Nigel Farage says, get your goddamned walking boots on and go knocking on doors.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qZfxn)
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Ok. They best be careful of what they wish for.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (Cd8NC)
I agree but itsan old axiom the left gives notone crap about.
Ok. They best be careful of what they wish for.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (Cd8NC)
I agree but itsan old axiom the left gives notone crap about.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (lKyWE)
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>> I don't find Trump credible on immigration. I find
>> Trump more credible than Bush or Rubio, but that's
>> a low bar. I find Cruz more credible than Trump,
>> but that's a pretty low bar too.
Sorry, but Cruz is the highest that bar would ever get.
Trump is more the weave poles than the hurdles. He might accidentally come out on the correct side of the last pole, or he might get distracted and go in circles around one of the poles.
>> Trump more credible than Bush or Rubio, but that's
>> a low bar. I find Cruz more credible than Trump,
>> but that's a pretty low bar too.
Sorry, but Cruz is the highest that bar would ever get.
Trump is more the weave poles than the hurdles. He might accidentally come out on the correct side of the last pole, or he might get distracted and go in circles around one of the poles.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (o+SC1)
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you seem concerned....
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there's a whole lot of that going on these days...
some volunteer, some paid for my Shrillery
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there's a whole lot of that going on these days...
some volunteer, some paid for my Shrillery
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (GHdiF)
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Hillary taking warfarin / Coumo-din.
three blood clots, dogs and cats, sleeping together. I love politics
three blood clots, dogs and cats, sleeping together. I love politics
Posted by: Billy Occam at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (/542q)
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Just like yesterday and not on the Minnesotta ballot thing...
Media contrived and promulgated controversy...
And as usual.... pundits jump... because... Trump.. and story...
Media contrived and promulgated controversy...
And as usual.... pundits jump... because... Trump.. and story...
Posted by: Don Quixote at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (qf6WZ)
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The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it was written about Nero, a corrupt scumball control freak.
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Uh, no. But this isn't the time or the place. Plus, I'm eating peanut butter out of a jar. Hard to type
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Uh, no. But this isn't the time or the place. Plus, I'm eating peanut butter out of a jar. Hard to type
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (dFi94)
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152 That booklet is not so funny, now.
Posted by: zombie
Zombie, that was a Jack T. Chick comic fot sure. You can read them for free on chick.com.
Posted by: Yuimetal
See comment #177 -- was NOT a Chick Publications booklet.
Posted by: zombie
Zombie, that was a Jack T. Chick comic fot sure. You can read them for free on chick.com.
Posted by: Yuimetal
See comment #177 -- was NOT a Chick Publications booklet.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (jBuUi)
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>>>make E-verify work... It's tougher.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (u0s1P)>>>
Yeah. Let's give the feds control over whether or not we can get jobs. Good idea. /
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (u0s1P)>>>
Yeah. Let's give the feds control over whether or not we can get jobs. Good idea. /
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (4ueYo)
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I haven't read one opinion article from the Left or the MSM on Trumps and his advisors latest statements. I'm taking what he's saying now and what he has been saying since 2015. It's different in my opinion.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (Sc+fF)
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*rousing music*
*chorus sings*
Go! Deportation Force!
*zoom in on DP secret fortress on border*
"Brickwall, go see who this new Forcer is."
BW: "Yes, sir!"
"Who are you stranger?"
DB: "I'm the newest member of Deportation Force. Codename....Dry Back! and here's my trusty falcon, Green Card!
I'm the legal immigrant dedicated to fighting for Border Security!!!
*chorus sings*
Go! Deportation Force!!
*Kaboom! cereal commercial*
*chorus sings*
Go! Deportation Force!
*zoom in on DP secret fortress on border*
"Brickwall, go see who this new Forcer is."
BW: "Yes, sir!"
"Who are you stranger?"
DB: "I'm the newest member of Deportation Force. Codename....Dry Back! and here's my trusty falcon, Green Card!
I'm the legal immigrant dedicated to fighting for Border Security!!!
*chorus sings*
Go! Deportation Force!!
*Kaboom! cereal commercial*
Posted by: Deportation Force!!! - the Cartoon Series at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (HGtd0)
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So while we have NO chance that Hillary will secure our borders, at least with Trump there is a small chance he will enact his policies, even as he's been groping in the dark trying to put it all together. Isn't that alone worth the vote?
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (qZfxn)
It's worse than that. Hillary will smoothly pivot to importing massive amounts of "legal" muslim refugees. She's been bought and paid for on this issue and brainwashed by Huma. Every town in America will suddenly have it's quota[/] of worthless muslim scum sucking up resources, agitating for sharia law, and suing the pants off everyone that offends them via CAIR and the ACLU. I truly fear that we will long for the days when we only had illegal Mexicans, et al, to handle.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:39 PM (qZfxn)
It's worse than that. Hillary will smoothly pivot to importing massive amounts of "legal" muslim refugees. She's been bought and paid for on this issue and brainwashed by Huma. Every town in America will suddenly have it's quota[/] of worthless muslim scum sucking up resources, agitating for sharia law, and suing the pants off everyone that offends them via CAIR and the ACLU. I truly fear that we will long for the days when we only had illegal Mexicans, et al, to handle.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (kXoT0)
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Of course there was no actual policy change. Which is why there has been no wave of angry denunciations from people who plan to vote for Trump. The "pivot" is a rhetorical device purely for the purpose of softening his image in preparation for the upcoming debates. Hillary's portraying Trump as Literally Hitler. Trump's shaking his head and saying "there you go again". I think it'll be quite effective.
Posted by: GalosGann at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (md1b/)
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sorry
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (kXoT0)
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Hillary taking warfarin
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Otherwise known as rat poison. I shall leave that information here without commentary.
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Otherwise known as rat poison. I shall leave that information here without commentary.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:47 PM (dFi94)
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>>>Sorry, but Cruz is the highest that bar would ever get.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (o+SC1)>>>
Not saying that I disagree with you on that point. But that doesn't mean the bar is very high. Politicians are liars. Believing them is for fools.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:45 PM (o+SC1)>>>
Not saying that I disagree with you on that point. But that doesn't mean the bar is very high. Politicians are liars. Believing them is for fools.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:47 PM (4ueYo)
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Wait a minute guys. We were all cheering the downfall of Gawker a week or two ago, but if they go down, where will we go to find alleged leaked photos of Olivia Munn and Christina Hendricks?
Gah! The blessing was a curse in disguise!
Gah! The blessing was a curse in disguise!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 26, 2016 01:47 PM (KUaJL)
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I saw Coulter together with Maher on t.v a few years back. I was in a waiting room and the volume was turned off. All I could see were their faces smiling and laughing at each other like they were best friends. It wasn't forced, it was genuine. That's when it hit me that they're all in it together and only pretend to be enemies.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (CFc5L)
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145 Admittedly, deportation is a massive issue, especially when you would be deporting the custodial parents of American citizens born here.
We need a few things to make the illegal alien problem go completely away.
1. Stop ignoring the employment of illegal aliens by anyone. Make the documentation for getting employed more than producing a Social Security card to be copied and attached to an I9 form. Make employing illegal aliens BOTH costly and punitive.
2. Shut down services to illegals--completely full stop. No free anything. I know that is harsh and bitter and all kinds of ugly, but, it's got to be done. It's one of the major carrots luring illegals.
3. Strict border control, through a wall/trenches/land mines or whatever. Letting the cartels and others build tunnels is completely unacceptable. We have the technology to know what the subsurface strata should look like along the border and when it changes, we go fix that with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes
Can we have punji sticks in the ditches?
Excrement-dipped ones? And don't tell me excrement-dipped punji sticks are for winners.
We need a few things to make the illegal alien problem go completely away.
1. Stop ignoring the employment of illegal aliens by anyone. Make the documentation for getting employed more than producing a Social Security card to be copied and attached to an I9 form. Make employing illegal aliens BOTH costly and punitive.
2. Shut down services to illegals--completely full stop. No free anything. I know that is harsh and bitter and all kinds of ugly, but, it's got to be done. It's one of the major carrots luring illegals.
3. Strict border control, through a wall/trenches/land mines or whatever. Letting the cartels and others build tunnels is completely unacceptable. We have the technology to know what the subsurface strata should look like along the border and when it changes, we go fix that with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes
Can we have punji sticks in the ditches?
Excrement-dipped ones? And don't tell me excrement-dipped punji sticks are for winners.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (kfcYC)
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Trump needs to do what Dwight D did - deport 1 million illegal aliens a year.
But first, we must call them what they are.
But first, we must call them what they are.
Posted by: Ian R. R. Galt at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (8iiMU)
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That's it, Trump reversed Himself..... I'm voting for Hillary!
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (O2RFr)
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>>The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it was written about Nero, a corrupt scumball control freak. Posted by: Yuimetal at August 26, 2016 01:40 PM (ZKlDy)
The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it's freaky, and has inspired an entire genre of very bad movies, conspiracy-theory allusions, and the very popular Gog and Magog poseable action figures.
The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it's freaky, and has inspired an entire genre of very bad movies, conspiracy-theory allusions, and the very popular Gog and Magog poseable action figures.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (Bdeb0)
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>> Yeah. Let's give the feds control over whether or
>> not we can get jobs. Good idea.
Sorry, but if we're going to go on the assumption that the Federal government has certain responsibilities, and one of those is to determine who is in the country legally with the right to work and who is not, then the 'whether or not we can get jobs' part is clearly a Federal responsibility.
E-verify may or may not work better than the no-fly list (the concept of the immutable permanent 'social security number' is clearly obsolete and needs to be rethought) but the role it serves IS a core Federal responsibility.
>> not we can get jobs. Good idea.
Sorry, but if we're going to go on the assumption that the Federal government has certain responsibilities, and one of those is to determine who is in the country legally with the right to work and who is not, then the 'whether or not we can get jobs' part is clearly a Federal responsibility.
E-verify may or may not work better than the no-fly list (the concept of the immutable permanent 'social security number' is clearly obsolete and needs to be rethought) but the role it serves IS a core Federal responsibility.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (o+SC1)
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See, I love some of you people like a brothel, . . .
WHICH brothel?
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (OZmbA)
The kind that doesn't have workman's comp claims that include cialus prescriptions.
WHICH brothel?
Posted by: Sphynx at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (OZmbA)
The kind that doesn't have workman's comp claims that include cialus prescriptions.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (TOk1P)
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Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (QDnY+)
It would not take any change in law to get rid of sanctuary cities...
Its still a felony to knowingly aid an illegal to stay here.... Prosecute Politicians who promulgate those policies under that statute...
It is a blatant conspiracy to bypass Federal Law...
It would not take any change in law to get rid of sanctuary cities...
Its still a felony to knowingly aid an illegal to stay here.... Prosecute Politicians who promulgate those policies under that statute...
It is a blatant conspiracy to bypass Federal Law...
Posted by: Don Quixote at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (qf6WZ)
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I always liked Ann Coulter. She seems really smart and the tough girl, speak your mind attitude is appealing, even when I didn't agree with her point of view. But, man, was she ever smitten with Trump to the point of dumbassery. The indicators that Trump was making shit up as he went along showed early, and she, and many others, missed or ignored them.
Posted by: steve walsh at August 26, 2016 01:49 PM (zEVL8)
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>>>180 I don't remember this kind of animosity towards Romney, a real democrat who I hated and could not stand, but I refrained from bashing him once he became the nominee.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qZfxn)>>>
Oh, I had much more animosity for Romney. Didn't decide to vote for him until November. Already decided to vote for the Trump, even though I know he's going to be a traitorous sell-out, especially on immigration. But, really, the only reason for that is that Hillary and Johnson are so much worse on pretty much everything.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qZfxn)>>>
Oh, I had much more animosity for Romney. Didn't decide to vote for him until November. Already decided to vote for the Trump, even though I know he's going to be a traitorous sell-out, especially on immigration. But, really, the only reason for that is that Hillary and Johnson are so much worse on pretty much everything.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:49 PM (4ueYo)
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P.S. Laura Ingraham is next.
Posted by: steve walsh at August 26, 2016 01:50 PM (zEVL8)
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Oh, Good. Let's have a fight between the Christians and the non Christians about why or why not Revelation is relevant. Sounds GROOVY.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2016 01:50 PM (6HqlZ)
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#190 Does everyone know there is a very, very ugly movie about the border premiering right at election time? It stars Jeffrey Dean Morgan as a racist bigot who has taken border control into his own hands by murdering illegals after they cross the border.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3147312/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3147312/
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:50 PM (kXoT0)
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>>Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM
YES to all of this!!
So tired of being told "Immigration is broken" - yeah, intentionally, by the very people who tell me this and then tell me the only solution is amnesty/open borders.
YES to all of this!!
So tired of being told "Immigration is broken" - yeah, intentionally, by the very people who tell me this and then tell me the only solution is amnesty/open borders.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:50 PM (NOIQH)
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>>>205 I always liked Ann Coulter. She seems really smart and the tough girl, speak your mind attitude is appealing, even when I didn't agree with her point of view. But, man, was she ever smitten with Trump to the point of dumbassery. The indicators that Trump was making shit up as he went along showed early, and she, and many others, missed or ignored them.
Posted by: steve walsh at August 26, 2016 01:49 PM (zEVL
>>>
You liked her after "Three Cheers For Romneycare?"
Posted by: steve walsh at August 26, 2016 01:49 PM (zEVL
>>>
You liked her after "Three Cheers For Romneycare?"
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (4ueYo)
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That's it, Trump reversed Himself..... I'm voting for Hillary!
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (O2RFr)
Me too. Because I really REALLY like hot sauce. Seriously, I put that sh*t on everything.
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (O2RFr)
Me too. Because I really REALLY like hot sauce. Seriously, I put that sh*t on everything.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (TOk1P)
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Go back to the debate in November 2015 when Trump said he would deport 11 million illegal aliens and his Deportation Force plan.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
Isn't a "deportation force" just the same as saying INS or ICE?
I mean, its a federal agency that's purpose is to deport people that aren't supposed to be here.
So if these agencies get more personnel because they are obviously understaffed, is that "jack boot fascism"?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
Isn't a "deportation force" just the same as saying INS or ICE?
I mean, its a federal agency that's purpose is to deport people that aren't supposed to be here.
So if these agencies get more personnel because they are obviously understaffed, is that "jack boot fascism"?
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (U2pFT)
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"It's just the same old shit they do, over and over.
Throw a ball of tinfoil across the floor, and watch em chase it."
Now, just think for a moment.
Did the media ALSO throw a ball of tinfoil during the primary?
Yes, they did.
And many people chased it.
Throw a ball of tinfoil across the floor, and watch em chase it."
Now, just think for a moment.
Did the media ALSO throw a ball of tinfoil during the primary?
Yes, they did.
And many people chased it.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (UBBWX)
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Joe, not going to give you a homework assignment, that's annoying when people do it here, but sorry, I can't see the germ of any "reversal" possible from what you refer to in an earlier campaign speech.
"Deportation Force" would be merely bad communication, or an immaterial misunderstanding that is cleared up in the first 5 minutes of the first briefing ("Mr President, you already have a deportation force, it's been around since before you were born, it's just not being used to enforce the law").
11 million is a laughable under-estimate of the scope of the problem, but again, where's the "reversal"?
York the other day wrote that the original positions were unclear, and that now they're ..... um, unclear. OK. As much as I'd prefer the sort of detailed concrete plan I could put together in 10 minutes, one rarely sees that in policy debates at this stage.
It's the instant, unquestioning, universal, fairly breathless lunge into discussing something that probably doesn't exist ("reversal") that I find amazing.
Though why, in a country that could elect Obama twice, not to mention all the other self-imposed damage and degradation that proceeds apace, I would be surprised, is not clear.
"Deportation Force" would be merely bad communication, or an immaterial misunderstanding that is cleared up in the first 5 minutes of the first briefing ("Mr President, you already have a deportation force, it's been around since before you were born, it's just not being used to enforce the law").
11 million is a laughable under-estimate of the scope of the problem, but again, where's the "reversal"?
York the other day wrote that the original positions were unclear, and that now they're ..... um, unclear. OK. As much as I'd prefer the sort of detailed concrete plan I could put together in 10 minutes, one rarely sees that in policy debates at this stage.
It's the instant, unquestioning, universal, fairly breathless lunge into discussing something that probably doesn't exist ("reversal") that I find amazing.
Though why, in a country that could elect Obama twice, not to mention all the other self-imposed damage and degradation that proceeds apace, I would be surprised, is not clear.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (QDnY+)
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The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it's freaky
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The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it is the Word of God. And John the Apostle wrote that all of us should read it and be blessed.
It's really not that freaky at all. It just describes bad stuff. Then good stuff.
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The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it is the Word of God. And John the Apostle wrote that all of us should read it and be blessed.
It's really not that freaky at all. It just describes bad stuff. Then good stuff.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (dFi94)
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Also, you're going to wear out your return key if you keep humping it like that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (V3IFq)
Whaaaat?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 01:41 PM (V3IFq)
Whaaaat?
Posted by: naturalfake at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (HGtd0)
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Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (QDnY+)
Lord you guys love to spin for Trump. He said unequivocally that he will deport 11 million illegal aliens. He was called on it at the debate in 2015 and told it was not feasible . He insisted it was . He subsequently referred to his Deportation Force plan. He has now backed away from it. This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Lord you guys love to spin for Trump. He said unequivocally that he will deport 11 million illegal aliens. He was called on it at the debate in 2015 and told it was not feasible . He insisted it was . He subsequently referred to his Deportation Force plan. He has now backed away from it. This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
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179 Awww, c'mon, Pixy! Unitalic.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (jBuUi)
Yeah, what was wrong with that close italics tag? It looked fine to me.
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2016 01:44 PM (jBuUi)
Yeah, what was wrong with that close italics tag? It looked fine to me.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 01:52 PM (yn2Me)
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195 >>>Sorry, but Cruz is the highest that bar would ever get.
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Teddy Bear Cruz is a globalist. There is absolutely no fucking way he would have ever secured the border.
His affinity with Beck and coziness with the Mormons with their infamous support for lax immigration and amnesty shot his credibility to hell.
There's a reason why Sessions went all in with Trump instead of Cruz.
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Teddy Bear Cruz is a globalist. There is absolutely no fucking way he would have ever secured the border.
His affinity with Beck and coziness with the Mormons with their infamous support for lax immigration and amnesty shot his credibility to hell.
There's a reason why Sessions went all in with Trump instead of Cruz.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:52 PM (qZfxn)
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There's at least two sides to the "crack down on employers" part of this. Side A is yeah, lots of employers exploit illegals. I'm sure OSHA could have a field day at those, because any place sketchy enough to pay cheap wages in cash, etc. is prooobably not the safest place.
Side A: Caught hiring even one illegal, gov confiscates the business.
If we are going to confiscate a guy's car for hiring a hooker for a bj, we can take businesses for hiring illegals.
Side A: Caught hiring even one illegal, gov confiscates the business.
If we are going to confiscate a guy's car for hiring a hooker for a bj, we can take businesses for hiring illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:52 PM (Cd8NC)
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188 >>>make E-verify work... It's tougher.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (u0s1P)>>>
Yeah. Let's give the feds control over whether or not we can get jobs. Good idea. /
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (4ueYo)
That's fair, and I have no actual experience with it, so I'll cede the point. If we're gonna have E-Verify or a similar system, it needs to be better. If it's not worth having, let's get rid of it. I actually want to see a debate on this. This is the wonkery that just gets lost in the shouting.
Anyway, to review- some employers take advantage of cheap illegal labor and should be punished along with the illegals.
Other employers are being lied to and taken advantage of by identity thieves and those thieves need to be punished severely. It'd be nice if employers had a way to screen or help enforce that, and I really want to see that conversation.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:43 PM (u0s1P)>>>
Yeah. Let's give the feds control over whether or not we can get jobs. Good idea. /
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (4ueYo)
That's fair, and I have no actual experience with it, so I'll cede the point. If we're gonna have E-Verify or a similar system, it needs to be better. If it's not worth having, let's get rid of it. I actually want to see a debate on this. This is the wonkery that just gets lost in the shouting.
Anyway, to review- some employers take advantage of cheap illegal labor and should be punished along with the illegals.
Other employers are being lied to and taken advantage of by identity thieves and those thieves need to be punished severely. It'd be nice if employers had a way to screen or help enforce that, and I really want to see that conversation.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (u0s1P)
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>>Does everyone know there is a very, very ugly movie about the border premiering right at election time?
Oh, my! Hadn't seen that.
Oh, my! Hadn't seen that.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (NOIQH)
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>>The reason that Revelation is relevant is because it
is the Word of God. And John the Apostle wrote that all of us should
read it and be blessed.
It's really not that freaky at all. It just describes bad stuff. Then good stuff. Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (dFi94)
De gustibus non est disputandem.
is the Word of God. And John the Apostle wrote that all of us should
read it and be blessed.
It's really not that freaky at all. It just describes bad stuff. Then good stuff. Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (dFi94)
De gustibus non est disputandem.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (Bdeb0)
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This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
I wish I could believe you. I really really do.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
I wish I could believe you. I really really do.
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Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:50 PM (kXoT0)
Was t financed by the Clinton Foundation and George Soros?
Was t financed by the Clinton Foundation and George Soros?
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>>This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
That's adorable.
That's adorable.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (Bdeb0)
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>> 1. Stop ignoring the employment of illegal aliens
>> by anyone.
This can be done, there will be grousing and court battles but this can be done.
>> 2. Shut down services to illegals--completely full
>> stop.
This may require more than legislation. Courts seem to luuuuuuuve giving away free school, free breakfast, free lunch, free everything.
And you know who props up all these free-shit programs? The companies that supply all the shit on the taxpayers' dime.
>> 3. Strict border control, through a
>> wall/trenches/land mines or whatever.
Border-walkers are only part of the problem, they're the low-hanging fruit and just a motivated and well-staffed Border Patrol and a consistent system of fences.
You're forgetting the visa overstays. The students and tourists and temporary-employment types who just 'disappear'. This is a huge issue that needs to be dealt with aggressively.
>> by anyone.
This can be done, there will be grousing and court battles but this can be done.
>> 2. Shut down services to illegals--completely full
>> stop.
This may require more than legislation. Courts seem to luuuuuuuve giving away free school, free breakfast, free lunch, free everything.
And you know who props up all these free-shit programs? The companies that supply all the shit on the taxpayers' dime.
>> 3. Strict border control, through a
>> wall/trenches/land mines or whatever.
Border-walkers are only part of the problem, they're the low-hanging fruit and just a motivated and well-staffed Border Patrol and a consistent system of fences.
You're forgetting the visa overstays. The students and tourists and temporary-employment types who just 'disappear'. This is a huge issue that needs to be dealt with aggressively.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (o+SC1)
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Here's the good news for all the Cruzlims. They can cling to their stuffed Teddy Bears at night and dream of what Cruz would have done and never be faced with the reality of what and who Cruz really is, that he was and is an amnesty backer like his buddy Beck.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (OUjkK)
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"He subsequently referred to his Deportation Force plan. He has now backed away from it."
Yes. And for good reason, he's backed off it. It was never going to happen. The rest of his position is still operative, and it's quite different than Jeb's. Rubio already sold out on amnesty.
Yes. And for good reason, he's backed off it. It was never going to happen. The rest of his position is still operative, and it's quite different than Jeb's. Rubio already sold out on amnesty.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (r1fLd)
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I honestly think its mistake for Trump to get into specifics.
You'll notice Democrats never get into this. Obama says health insurance will be mandatory, nobody ever asks him how he can verify every person carries insurance.
Cracking down on illegal immigration will be a long process where you grab the lowest hanging fruit first, like the fact that around 1 out of 2 visas are overstayed. The same type of situation that allowed almost all of the 9/11 hijackers to be here.
You'll notice Democrats never get into this. Obama says health insurance will be mandatory, nobody ever asks him how he can verify every person carries insurance.
Cracking down on illegal immigration will be a long process where you grab the lowest hanging fruit first, like the fact that around 1 out of 2 visas are overstayed. The same type of situation that allowed almost all of the 9/11 hijackers to be here.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (U2pFT)
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Can we have punji sticks in the ditches?
Excrement-dipped ones? And don't tell me excrement-dipped punji sticks are for winners.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (kfcYC)
I don't get your point. I can tell you that as the widow of a VN vet who died in screaming agony from Agent Orange poisoning, you are getting perilously close to my bad side.
My point is that depending on the harshness of a desert and barb wire fences to keep out the flow of illegal people and drugs is not working.
Excrement-dipped ones? And don't tell me excrement-dipped punji sticks are for winners.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:48 PM (kfcYC)
I don't get your point. I can tell you that as the widow of a VN vet who died in screaming agony from Agent Orange poisoning, you are getting perilously close to my bad side.
My point is that depending on the harshness of a desert and barb wire fences to keep out the flow of illegal people and drugs is not working.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (kXoT0)
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*Kaboom! cereal commercial*
Posted by: Deportation Force!!! - the Cartoon Series at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (HGtd0)
I'm actually only in it for the toys. The cartoon's fine-- I recognize a few of the voice actors from other stuff-- but the tanks and missile launchers and giant robots are just really, really cool.
Posted by: Deportation Force!!! - the Cartoon Series at August 26, 2016 01:46 PM (HGtd0)
I'm actually only in it for the toys. The cartoon's fine-- I recognize a few of the voice actors from other stuff-- but the tanks and missile launchers and giant robots are just really, really cool.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (u0s1P)
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I wish I could believe you. I really really do.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (TOk1P)
Good thing I don't give a shit about what you believe.
I wish I could believe you. I really really do.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (TOk1P)
Good thing I don't give a shit about what you believe.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Sc+fF)
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I hope there are no late season hurricanes marching up the East Coast or he will really screw us over.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Lk67m)
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The kind that doesn't have workman's comp claims that include cialus prescriptions.
Posted by: BurtTC
First 100 days of my administration all of those 'dysfunction' drugs for men will only be available to men who voluntarily agree to be placed on a sexual predator watch list and 24 hour monitoring.
Stiff common sense reform.
Posted by: BurtTC
First 100 days of my administration all of those 'dysfunction' drugs for men will only be available to men who voluntarily agree to be placed on a sexual predator watch list and 24 hour monitoring.
Stiff common sense reform.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (ZFUt7)
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I think you forgot the part where if he wins he is president for 4 years. If he looses all of his supporters, so what? He is still president for 4 years. That does not change if he looses all his supporters.
You all seem to forget that simple fact when you try to walk away from his daily changes of mind towards policy positions.
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (mXv3y)
You're forgetting that a politician without a base of support and under constant attack from both parties and the MSM,
isn't going to get jack-squat done.
If you hook your chariot to the people,
you better deliver.
You all seem to forget that simple fact when you try to walk away from his daily changes of mind towards policy positions.
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 26, 2016 01:38 PM (mXv3y)
You're forgetting that a politician without a base of support and under constant attack from both parties and the MSM,
isn't going to get jack-squat done.
If you hook your chariot to the people,
you better deliver.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (HGtd0)
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Employers have been offered incentives by Obama to hire illegals, and now he's working with the Chobani CEO to encourage companies to hire refugees.
There's a lot to undo.
There's a lot to undo.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Sc+fF)
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>>>If it's not worth having, let's get rid of it. I actually want to see a debate on this. This is the wonkery that just gets lost in the shouting.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (u0s1P)>>>
The problem is that the federal government, whether it be Democrats or Republicans, see the solutions to problems created by the federal government as more federal government.
In this case, the federal government caused this problem by not doing their job. Really, the primary job that they were created for - to secure our border. Now that they weren't able to do their number one job, they want more power over our lives. That's what Republicans think is a good idea. It's mind boggling.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (u0s1P)>>>
The problem is that the federal government, whether it be Democrats or Republicans, see the solutions to problems created by the federal government as more federal government.
In this case, the federal government caused this problem by not doing their job. Really, the primary job that they were created for - to secure our border. Now that they weren't able to do their number one job, they want more power over our lives. That's what Republicans think is a good idea. It's mind boggling.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (4ueYo)
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Ted Cruz? Why in the wild wild world of sports is anyone still talking about Ted Cruz?
He beat his wife, on national television, for pete's sake.
He beat his wife, on national television, for pete's sake.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (TOk1P)
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zombie, there was a space between the open bracket and the slash in your close tag. That was why it failed.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (yn2Me)
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You're forgetting the visa overstays. The students and tourists and temporary-employment types who just 'disappear'. This is a huge issue that needs to be dealt with aggressively.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (o+SC1)
True, but, in a lot of cases, they work off the books to stay here too.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (o+SC1)
True, but, in a lot of cases, they work off the books to stay here too.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (kXoT0)
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This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
You'll flip flop on that promise.
This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
You'll flip flop on that promise.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (lKyWE)
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Maritime, I have (in brutally abbreviated terms) explained over and over how deportation is a routine ages-old mechanism that is used even as we speak, and the personnel, authorities, and agencies that conduct it are all in place, and have been forever.
It's not like immigration law and procedures are quantum physics, but so many people refuse to educate themselves about them, even as they pretend to hold strong positions about related policies.
T-Rump has repeatedly (including this week, during his non-reversal reversal comments) made enforcing the current law one of his points.
If current law were enforced to any reasonable degree (pick 1980 as your "restore point"), the mass illegal migration situation would change dramatically, very dramatically. Even before the border were secured.
It's not like immigration law and procedures are quantum physics, but so many people refuse to educate themselves about them, even as they pretend to hold strong positions about related policies.
T-Rump has repeatedly (including this week, during his non-reversal reversal comments) made enforcing the current law one of his points.
If current law were enforced to any reasonable degree (pick 1980 as your "restore point"), the mass illegal migration situation would change dramatically, very dramatically. Even before the border were secured.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:56 PM (QDnY+)
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Ann Coulter spoke on Hannity last night, and it was good.
She says she's not a "cultist" like Hillary supporters or Cruz supporters (crazy The Right Scoop people).
At that point, she hadn't heard it was Christie.
She said she has some issues with Trump... like any candidate.
Ann Coulter spoke on Hannity last night, and it was good.
She says she's not a "cultist" like Hillary supporters or Cruz supporters (crazy The Right Scoop people).
At that point, she hadn't heard it was Christie.
She said she has some issues with Trump... like any candidate.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:56 PM (qCMvj)
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sidebar:
Oregon's Governor really needs to learn how to express himself, "I guarantee you, I would not be (Alexander) Hamilton. I would point it right between his eyes, because he is a snot-nosed little runt and he has not done a damn thing since he's been in this Legislature to help move the state forward." Pass the popcorn please. [Mis. Hum.]
Actually, the Portland in question is the one in Maine. The dustup is between the GOP governor and a Dem state house representative. Interestingly, the publication plays name that party with the governor, but names the rep as a Dem. It's a local publication, so maybe they figure all their readers already know the governor is GOP.
That said, let's get on with the popcorn.
Oregon's Governor really needs to learn how to express himself, "I guarantee you, I would not be (Alexander) Hamilton. I would point it right between his eyes, because he is a snot-nosed little runt and he has not done a damn thing since he's been in this Legislature to help move the state forward." Pass the popcorn please. [Mis. Hum.]
Actually, the Portland in question is the one in Maine. The dustup is between the GOP governor and a Dem state house representative. Interestingly, the publication plays name that party with the governor, but names the rep as a Dem. It's a local publication, so maybe they figure all their readers already know the governor is GOP.
That said, let's get on with the popcorn.
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Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:53 PM (TOk1P)
Good thing I don't give a shit about what you believe.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Sc+fF)
Sure you do, Joey. I haunt your dreams.
Good thing I don't give a shit about what you believe.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Sc+fF)
Sure you do, Joey. I haunt your dreams.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (TOk1P)
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As has been said numerous times, if Trump secures the border and then enforces already existing laws, many of our immigration problems would go away.
He would have an enforcement arm already in place. They're call the BP, ICE, and INS.
He would have an enforcement arm already in place. They're call the BP, ICE, and INS.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (Fmupd)
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Already decided to vote for the Trump, even though I know he's going to be a traitorous sell-out, especially on immigration.
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Maybe, but I don't remember Romney surrounding himself with men like Sessions, getting endorsements from the border agents, or being embraced by Sheriff Joe. A lot of people who have been on the trenches of this border fight for a long time clearly believe Trump is the one who will do it. He would be backstabbing a lot of people who have gotten very close to him and are even part of his inner circle.
Not saying he wouldn't do it, but if he does he will have fooled a ton of otherwise very smart people.
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Maybe, but I don't remember Romney surrounding himself with men like Sessions, getting endorsements from the border agents, or being embraced by Sheriff Joe. A lot of people who have been on the trenches of this border fight for a long time clearly believe Trump is the one who will do it. He would be backstabbing a lot of people who have gotten very close to him and are even part of his inner circle.
Not saying he wouldn't do it, but if he does he will have fooled a ton of otherwise very smart people.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (qZfxn)
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>>>229 Here's the good news for all the Cruzlims. They can cling to their stuffed Teddy Bears at night and dream of what Cruz would have done and never be faced with the reality of what and who Cruz really is, that he was and is an amnesty backer like his buddy Beck.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (OUjkK)>>>
Way to raise the level of discourse, bubba.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 01:54 PM (OUjkK)>>>
Way to raise the level of discourse, bubba.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (4ueYo)
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Don't forget to write in senator's sanders name for the election. He is the only one that can fixed this county and Trump is a liar and hates persons of color too. With Senator Sanders everyone will be equal and happy. Bush lied and screwed everything up and Presdent Obama tried so hard but he is only a man and cannot fix everything. Senator sanders can and will help all persons of color and also put Trump and Bush in jail for lying to our black presdent.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (NuElX)
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The only thing that changed was Trump's tone on the matter.
This reversal thing is a load of bullshit as if Trump did a 180 and is now an open borders amnesty guy.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (APlKx)
Exactly. More NeverTrump BS.
The only thing that changed was Trump's tone on the matter.
This reversal thing is a load of bullshit as if Trump did a 180 and is now an open borders amnesty guy.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (APlKx)
Exactly. More NeverTrump BS.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 01:58 PM (ru2SK)
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Sure you do, Joey. I haunt your dreams.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (TOk1P)
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Man, the Trump fans on here sure do love to do the cutesy-poo "mean girl" routine Ace speaks of so highly.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (TOk1P)
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Man, the Trump fans on here sure do love to do the cutesy-poo "mean girl" routine Ace speaks of so highly.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:58 PM (mFkVC)
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ide A: Caught hiring even one illegal, gov confiscates the business.
If we are going to confiscate a guy's car for hiring a hooker for a bj, we can take businesses for hiring illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:52 PM (Cd8NC)
If you can take Granny Smith's car/home because she doesn't believe in banks and therefore has stacks of cash in her purse and house, yeah, it's not hard.
If we are going to confiscate a guy's car for hiring a hooker for a bj, we can take businesses for hiring illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 01:52 PM (Cd8NC)
If you can take Granny Smith's car/home because she doesn't believe in banks and therefore has stacks of cash in her purse and house, yeah, it's not hard.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 01:58 PM (kXoT0)
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>>Good thing I don't give a shit about what you believe. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:55 PM (Sc+fF)
You give too much of a shit. That's the bad news. Good news is, decaf is there for you, too.
You give too much of a shit. That's the bad news. Good news is, decaf is there for you, too.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (Bdeb0)
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All his other policies remain the same. Does this
really constitute a 180 degree turn? Moreover is this really the same as
the GOP-E policy of bullshit of amnesty?
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (qZfxn)
Why yes. Yes it is the same as the bullshit GOP-E policy of amnesty.
really constitute a 180 degree turn? Moreover is this really the same as
the GOP-E policy of bullshit of amnesty?
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (qZfxn)
Why yes. Yes it is the same as the bullshit GOP-E policy of amnesty.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (3JA/M)
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>> You're forgetting the visa overstays.
You are also forgetting to deal with - and I mean that in the Arc Light sense - with state, county, and local 'sanctuary' ordinances.
With local jurisdictions so attached to the sweet, sweet Federal money teat this would not be too hard.
You want California state universities to stop disadvantaging citizens in favor of illegals for admission? Shut off the research grants and make their students ineligible for Federal aid.
I bet both of the above could be done by executive order.
You are also forgetting to deal with - and I mean that in the Arc Light sense - with state, county, and local 'sanctuary' ordinances.
With local jurisdictions so attached to the sweet, sweet Federal money teat this would not be too hard.
You want California state universities to stop disadvantaging citizens in favor of illegals for admission? Shut off the research grants and make their students ineligible for Federal aid.
I bet both of the above could be done by executive order.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (o+SC1)
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Lol, I was saying months ago that the Great Negotiator's final position on immigration would be at best Rubio's Gang of Eight amnesty. But I'll shut up now as I've learned criticizing the orange dumpster fire here gets one quickly branded as a Hillary supporter.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (u9+sE)
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Lord you guys love to spin for Trump. He said unequivocally that he will deport 11 million illegal aliens. He was called on it at the debate in 2015 and told it was not feasible . He insisted it was . He subsequently referred to his Deportation Force plan. He has now backed away from it. This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
I never remember Trump promising that every single illegal was going to be rounded up on his watch.
People said the problem was simply too big to handle, he gave examples like Eisenhower that showed in the past it was manageable and maybe we need more agents doing it.
It's sort of like a Republican saying he wants a balanced budget but is only able to cut some spending.
I don;t think a single Trump voter thought he was going to purge this country overnight, just do a much better job of actually enforcing the laws than we have been.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
I never remember Trump promising that every single illegal was going to be rounded up on his watch.
People said the problem was simply too big to handle, he gave examples like Eisenhower that showed in the past it was manageable and maybe we need more agents doing it.
It's sort of like a Republican saying he wants a balanced budget but is only able to cut some spending.
I don;t think a single Trump voter thought he was going to purge this country overnight, just do a much better job of actually enforcing the laws than we have been.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (U2pFT)
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If you can take Granny Smith's car/home because she doesn't believe in
banks and therefore has stacks of cash in her purse and house, yeah,
it's not hard.
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*** ponders contents of purse and house ***
banks and therefore has stacks of cash in her purse and house, yeah,
it's not hard.
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*** ponders contents of purse and house ***
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (/HC6x)
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She said she has some issues with Trump... like any candidate.
Uh-huh. Probably the only issue Coulter has with Trump is that his hair isn't orange enough.
Coulter is of course the one who said that she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House as long as he built the wall.
Uh-huh. Probably the only issue Coulter has with Trump is that his hair isn't orange enough.
Coulter is of course the one who said that she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House as long as he built the wall.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (5115x)
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>>>Maybe, but I don't remember Romney surrounding himself with men like Sessions, getting endorsements from the border agents, or being embraced by Sheriff Joe. A lot of people who have been on the trenches of this border fight for a long time clearly believe Trump is the one who will do it. He would be backstabbing a lot of people who have gotten very close to him and are even part of his inner circle.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (qZfxn)>>>
Don't get me wrong. I believe Trump a million times more than Romney. It could be infinity times more than Romney, because I trusted Romney not at all.
It's actually quite amusing to me to watch the GOP and the supposed conservatives who supported Romney, but don't support Trump operate. It takes real mental gymnastics to be totally in the tank fort one north-east big-government-loving, crony statist, who pretends to be against illegal immigration, while saying that you'd never support his ideological twin.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 01:57 PM (qZfxn)>>>
Don't get me wrong. I believe Trump a million times more than Romney. It could be infinity times more than Romney, because I trusted Romney not at all.
It's actually quite amusing to me to watch the GOP and the supposed conservatives who supported Romney, but don't support Trump operate. It takes real mental gymnastics to be totally in the tank fort one north-east big-government-loving, crony statist, who pretends to be against illegal immigration, while saying that you'd never support his ideological twin.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (4ueYo)
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Already decided to vote for the Trump, even though I know he's going to be a traitorous sell-out, especially on immigration.
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Also, FWIW, I honestly believe he will secure the border too, and not just me but based on the nervous breakdown the GOP-E and the chamber of commerce is having over Trump, it's obvious that they believe it too.
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Also, FWIW, I honestly believe he will secure the border too, and not just me but based on the nervous breakdown the GOP-E and the chamber of commerce is having over Trump, it's obvious that they believe it too.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (qZfxn)
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This is the last I will post about it since it does no good to repeat it because minds are made up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
Don't let them drive you off, Joe.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Sc+fF)
Don't let them drive you off, Joe.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (3JA/M)
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Man, the Trump fans on here sure do love to do the cutesy-poo "mean girl" routine Ace speaks of so highly.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
You need a 'safe space' to retreat to cupcake?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
You need a 'safe space' to retreat to cupcake?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (ZFUt7)
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Aww, shit. After 7 years of having a neighbor family I got along with (our backyards are adjacent, separated by an ivied chainlink fence), the "new people" are moving in today. I know nothing about them, really hoping they're cool. Last people were only rarely loud, never said anything but pleasantries, just the way I like it.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (2cS/G)
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Dang, what am I still doing here? I've got a book thread to write. It's Friday, and I'm such a lazy ass...
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (yn2Me)
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I agree that e-Verify is a joke.
PRIVATIZE IT. The market will produce a solution. Make the private solution guaranteed to the employer, in that, if the UPASSED employee's verification was not correct, then, the UPASSED folks make restitution.
PRIVATIZE IT. The market will produce a solution. Make the private solution guaranteed to the employer, in that, if the UPASSED employee's verification was not correct, then, the UPASSED folks make restitution.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (dFi94)
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LOUD NOISES!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (MK9cc)
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I never remember Trump promising that every single illegal was going to be rounded up on his watch.
People said the problem was simply too big to handle, he gave examples like Eisenhower that showed in the past it was manageable and maybe we need more agents doing it.
It's sort of like a Republican saying he wants a balanced budget but is only able to cut some spending.
I don;t think a single Trump voter thought he was going to purge this country overnight, just do a much better job of actually enforcing the laws than we have been.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (U2pFT)
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In the primaries, did Trump compliment Obama on how many people he has deported and promise to continue do as Obama had done, "although perhaps with a lot more energy"?
Cause he said that this week, and it kinda sounds new.
People said the problem was simply too big to handle, he gave examples like Eisenhower that showed in the past it was manageable and maybe we need more agents doing it.
It's sort of like a Republican saying he wants a balanced budget but is only able to cut some spending.
I don;t think a single Trump voter thought he was going to purge this country overnight, just do a much better job of actually enforcing the laws than we have been.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (U2pFT)
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In the primaries, did Trump compliment Obama on how many people he has deported and promise to continue do as Obama had done, "although perhaps with a lot more energy"?
Cause he said that this week, and it kinda sounds new.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (mFkVC)
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*** ponders contents of purse and house ***
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (dFi94)
But what about the bees?
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (dFi94)
But what about the bees?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (yn2Me)
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Heh... before I went back to manufacturing, I was in higher ed administration, dealing mostly with international students.
a lot of them overstayed their visas and/or worked without appropriate authorization. When I learned of it, I was obliged to report them to the Feds.
In every case, their mistake was in registering with ICE upon arrival. Had they just snuck across the border, their lives would have been far less complicated.
a lot of them overstayed their visas and/or worked without appropriate authorization. When I learned of it, I was obliged to report them to the Feds.
In every case, their mistake was in registering with ICE upon arrival. Had they just snuck across the border, their lives would have been far less complicated.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (lutOX)
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If the "reversal" is true, the GOPe should be all happy and on board now.
Of course, there's been no reversal of anything, especially since candidates' pontifications before they are elected are meaningless.
You'd think even LIVs would know that by now.
Of course, there's been no reversal of anything, especially since candidates' pontifications before they are elected are meaningless.
You'd think even LIVs would know that by now.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (3myMJ)
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Way to raise the level of discourse, bubba.
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Why the fuck are you still talking about Cruz? You brought him up. The world has moved on.
The guy is underwater in his own home state. Doubt he will even be re-elected.
Yet, you use Cruz to undermine Trump. Trump's stances haven't changed at all.
So you need to change your level of discourse. Bub.
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Why the fuck are you still talking about Cruz? You brought him up. The world has moved on.
The guy is underwater in his own home state. Doubt he will even be re-elected.
Yet, you use Cruz to undermine Trump. Trump's stances haven't changed at all.
So you need to change your level of discourse. Bub.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (OUjkK)
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The bees are...dead? DEAD? The bees are DEAD!?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (yn2Me)
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Coulter is of course the one who said that she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House as long as he built the wall.
Posted by: chemjeff
Out of perverse curiosity, is there a level of illegal immigration with which you would find detrimental to the future of a free and prosperous US?
Posted by: chemjeff
Out of perverse curiosity, is there a level of illegal immigration with which you would find detrimental to the future of a free and prosperous US?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (V3IFq)
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Don't get me wrong. I believe Trump a million times more than Romney. It could be infinity times more than Romney, because I trusted Romney not at all.
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (qZfxn)
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There was no reversal. Did no one watch anything this week? Even the Anderson Cooper interview he was VERY clear. Agh. Give it up. I know you want to believe Amanda Carpenter and Cruz and their little joke of a statement yesterday. So sad.
Trump did not flip flop. All the same. Enforce the laws. Build a wall. Deport people.
Enforcing the actual laws we have (not just immigration law, but employment law) will cause many to self-deport. Why create a 'deportation force' if you don't need to? That was about the only change I heard. No need for that if we use the police and law enforcement we already have to round up these criminal types and deport. Build a wall to keep more from coming in. Enforce law. Many will leave on their own. Deal with those left in a humane fashion and they can apply for re-entry like everyone else.
When did Trump ever say he wouldn't deport humanely??????
Trump did not flip flop. All the same. Enforce the laws. Build a wall. Deport people.
Enforcing the actual laws we have (not just immigration law, but employment law) will cause many to self-deport. Why create a 'deportation force' if you don't need to? That was about the only change I heard. No need for that if we use the police and law enforcement we already have to round up these criminal types and deport. Build a wall to keep more from coming in. Enforce law. Many will leave on their own. Deal with those left in a humane fashion and they can apply for re-entry like everyone else.
When did Trump ever say he wouldn't deport humanely??????
Posted by: K-E at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (Ks+nh)
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>>>Shut off the research grants and make their students ineligible for Federal aid.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (o+SC1)>>>
Given the complete control the feds now exercise over universities (with all of their strings attached to their dollars), I'd say just shut off grants and federal aid period.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 01:59 PM (o+SC1)>>>
Given the complete control the feds now exercise over universities (with all of their strings attached to their dollars), I'd say just shut off grants and federal aid period.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (4ueYo)
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NO NOT THE BEES
Posted by: Nicholas Cage at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (u0s1P)
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Cruz is a globalist. There is absolutely no fucking way he would have ever secured the border.
His affinity with Beck and coziness with the Mormons with their infamous support for lax immigration and amnesty shot his credibility to hell.
There's a reason why Sessions went all in with Trump instead of Cruz.
Amazing that Cruz bitter Enders know nothing of his Goldman Sachs funded campaign, Heidi's job, or his push for TPA and TPP. I'm a fucking Berner and I know that for fuck's sake.
His affinity with Beck and coziness with the Mormons with their infamous support for lax immigration and amnesty shot his credibility to hell.
There's a reason why Sessions went all in with Trump instead of Cruz.
Amazing that Cruz bitter Enders know nothing of his Goldman Sachs funded campaign, Heidi's job, or his push for TPA and TPP. I'm a fucking Berner and I know that for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (ru2SK)
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
Mine is McCain...
I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
Mine is McCain...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
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""Deportation Force" would be merely bad communication, or an immaterial misunderstanding that is cleared up in the first 5 minutes of the first briefing ("Mr President, you already have a deportation force, it's been around since before you were born, it's just not being used to enforce the law")."
Is this before or after they explain the nuclear triad and the WTO to him?
Is this before or after they explain the nuclear triad and the WTO to him?
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (UBBWX)
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Trump? I don't expect him to live up to all his promises. But if he carries through on 35% he'd be the best President this country's seen since Reagan.
And the alternative is...the felon?
Or the idiot "Libertarian" that wants a carbon tax? Fucking idiot, fuck him with a one-inch auger bit.
And the alternative is...the felon?
Or the idiot "Libertarian" that wants a carbon tax? Fucking idiot, fuck him with a one-inch auger bit.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (o+SC1)
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But what about the bees?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (yn2Me)
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Rev says there are hundreds of bees covering the floor. Said hundreds of bees have to be swept up.
I wonder how long it will take him?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (yn2Me)
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Rev says there are hundreds of bees covering the floor. Said hundreds of bees have to be swept up.
I wonder how long it will take him?
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dFi94)
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You need a 'safe space' to retreat to cupcake?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (ZFUt7)
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Not at all, but some Trump fans seem to need to make these boards a "safe space." Over the last few months a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (ZFUt7)
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Not at all, but some Trump fans seem to need to make these boards a "safe space." Over the last few months a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (mFkVC)
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Bees are dead.
Bees in hiding. bees smart. bees resistant. bees
strong.
#BLM! Bees lives matter!
Bees in hiding. bees smart. bees resistant. bees
strong.
#BLM! Bees lives matter!
Posted by: Bees at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (ZFUt7)
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
Mine is McCain...
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I didn't vote for McCain, I voted for Palin. I don't know who McCain is, never heard of him.
Mine is McCain...
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I didn't vote for McCain, I voted for Palin. I don't know who McCain is, never heard of him.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (qZfxn)
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>>>Enforcing the actual laws we have (not just immigration law, but employment law) will cause many to self-deport. Why create a 'deportation force' if you don't need to?
Posted by: K-E at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (Ks+nh)>>>
This is certainly a better approach. Unfortunately, it's one that Trump lambasted when Romney pretended to support it.
Posted by: K-E at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (Ks+nh)>>>
This is certainly a better approach. Unfortunately, it's one that Trump lambasted when Romney pretended to support it.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (4ueYo)
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (qZfxn)
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Mine? McCain. But it was more of a vote for Palin.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (qZfxn)
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Mine? McCain. But it was more of a vote for Palin.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (Fmupd)
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For the longest time, the go-to insult for Ann Coulter on the left was that she was transexual.
I wonder if they ever got the memo that this wasn't allowed anymore, or if it's still okay because she's conservative.
I wonder if they ever got the memo that this wasn't allowed anymore, or if it's still okay because she's conservative.
Posted by: Kensington at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (7Kbxu)
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>>PRIVATIZE IT. The market will produce a
solution. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (kXoT0)
Given enough participation, I wonder if dedicated service could become an option, though "all-clear flights" are probably too much to hope for...
solution. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (kXoT0)
Given enough participation, I wonder if dedicated service could become an option, though "all-clear flights" are probably too much to hope for...
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (Bdeb0)
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>>>I didn't vote for McCain, I voted for Palin. I don't know who McCain is, never heard of him.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (qZfxn)>>>
I'm with you. Though, I wouldn't vote for her again. Unless, of course, my options were Palin, Hillary, and Johnson.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (qZfxn)>>>
I'm with you. Though, I wouldn't vote for her again. Unless, of course, my options were Palin, Hillary, and Johnson.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (4ueYo)
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Just heard a voice from over the fence, it was a guy with as Southern a drawl as I've heard in NC. So, that could go either way.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (2cS/G)
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>>>294 For the longest time, the go-to insult for Ann Coulter on the left was that she was transexual.
I wonder if they ever got the memo that this wasn't allowed anymore, or if it's still okay because she's conservative.
Posted by: Kensington at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (7Kbxu)>>>
Obviously, it's still okay.
I wonder if they ever got the memo that this wasn't allowed anymore, or if it's still okay because she's conservative.
Posted by: Kensington at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (7Kbxu)>>>
Obviously, it's still okay.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:07 PM (4ueYo)
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In the primaries, did Trump compliment Obama on how many people he has deported and promise to continue do as Obama had done, "although perhaps with a lot more energy"?
Cause he said that this week, and it kinda sounds new.
Posted by: person
What does that even mean? I'm honestly asking.
I think he's trying to maybe make the point that people are getting deported now and that this really isn't such a crazy idea that people who aren't supposed to be here are going to continue to get deported, but actually get serious about it?
I just don't see that as a "reversal"
Cause he said that this week, and it kinda sounds new.
Posted by: person
What does that even mean? I'm honestly asking.
I think he's trying to maybe make the point that people are getting deported now and that this really isn't such a crazy idea that people who aren't supposed to be here are going to continue to get deported, but actually get serious about it?
I just don't see that as a "reversal"
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:07 PM (U2pFT)
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
Mine is McCain...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
Bob Dole: What's Bob Dole? Chopped Bob Dole meat?
Mine is McCain...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
Bob Dole: What's Bob Dole? Chopped Bob Dole meat?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 02:07 PM (493sH)
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OK, I will say this for Ann Counter.
She has a better rack than Sean Hannity.
You, sir, are not a great American.
She has a better rack than Sean Hannity.
You, sir, are not a great American.
Posted by: Sean Hannity at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (X6fMO)
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I'm embarrassed that I ever voted for Romney. That will always be the low point of my voting record.
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Mine is McCain...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
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Same here. Romney seems like a good man at least. McCain is a total asshole.
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Mine is McCain...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
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Same here. Romney seems like a good man at least. McCain is a total asshole.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (6IPEM)
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Amazing that Cruz bitter Enders know nothing of his
Goldman Sachs funded campaign, Heidi's job, or his push for TPA and TPP.
I'm a fucking Berner and I know that for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (ru2SK)
Same lies and half truths Trump pushed in the primaries. Go check your facts (and check Trump's links to GS and the CFR while you are at it).
Goldman Sachs funded campaign, Heidi's job, or his push for TPA and TPP.
I'm a fucking Berner and I know that for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (ru2SK)
Same lies and half truths Trump pushed in the primaries. Go check your facts (and check Trump's links to GS and the CFR while you are at it).
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (3JA/M)
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Mine is McCain...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
I told myself I was really voting for Palin. So I can sleep at night. Just like now. I'm not really voting for Trump, I'm voting for Mike Pence.
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
I told myself I was really voting for Palin. So I can sleep at night. Just like now. I'm not really voting for Trump, I'm voting for Mike Pence.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (yn2Me)
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Over the last few months a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Your cock is full of poppy. You're smart, I'll hand you that, but completely transparent. You think Ace doesn't see through a con job like you?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Your cock is full of poppy. You're smart, I'll hand you that, but completely transparent. You think Ace doesn't see through a con job like you?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (ZFUt7)
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Out of perverse curiosity, is there a level of
illegal immigration with which you would find detrimental to the future
of a free and prosperous US?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (V3IFq)
I can't answer such a broad question like that. It all depends.
On one extreme, if there is so much illegal immigration that the meaning of citizenship itself is meaningless, then yes that is bad.
But on the other extreme, if there is so little illegal immigration because of either (a) no desirability to come here because it's a shithole, or (b) draconian efforts to keep them out that end up infringing on the rights of citizens, then that's also bad in a different way.
Ultimately I am pragmatic about the issue. Breaking the law is bad, yes. Creating a police state to enforce the law is also bad. Note that I'm NOT SAYING that we have a police state, or that Trump wants to create a police state. I simply view illegal immigration in a broader context.
illegal immigration with which you would find detrimental to the future
of a free and prosperous US?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (V3IFq)
I can't answer such a broad question like that. It all depends.
On one extreme, if there is so much illegal immigration that the meaning of citizenship itself is meaningless, then yes that is bad.
But on the other extreme, if there is so little illegal immigration because of either (a) no desirability to come here because it's a shithole, or (b) draconian efforts to keep them out that end up infringing on the rights of citizens, then that's also bad in a different way.
Ultimately I am pragmatic about the issue. Breaking the law is bad, yes. Creating a police state to enforce the law is also bad. Note that I'm NOT SAYING that we have a police state, or that Trump wants to create a police state. I simply view illegal immigration in a broader context.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (5115x)
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After President Trump's amnesty, we'll all be wishing we got on board with Rubio's Gang of Eight sham. Of course it's a moot point as there will never be a President Trump.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (u9+sE)
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297 Just heard a voice from over the fence, it was a guy with as Southern a drawl as I've heard in NC. So, that could go either way.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (2cS/G)
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Did you hear any pigs squealing?
297 Just heard a voice from over the fence, it was a guy with as Southern a drawl as I've heard in NC. So, that could go either way.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (2cS/G)
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Did you hear any pigs squealing?
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (Fmupd)
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Hi I'm Average Joe and I suck cock by choice.
Posted by: Average Joe at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (8huWI)
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Shame on trump for listening to christie instead of Sessions on this. I suppose that in addition to being not very smart or honest, he is also disloyal. A person like this is not worth getting twisted up over.
Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (i1KHZ)
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I'm with you. Though, I wouldn't vote for her again. Unless, of course, my options were Palin, Hillary, and Johnson.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (4ueYo)
Oh, I dunno. If it were STEELE Johnson, I may vote for him.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:06 PM (4ueYo)
Oh, I dunno. If it were STEELE Johnson, I may vote for him.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (yn2Me)
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Uh-huh. Probably the only issue Coulter has with Trump is that his hair isn't orange enough.
Coulter is of course the one who said that she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House as long as he built the wall.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (5115x)
it's amazing what some people choose to believe as literally true versus hyperbole
she did say last night, which I agree with, is that Trump does get some thing wrong, he's not a politician, but one thing he has been consistent on is that he very pro-American, putting Americans first, even before campaigning, has always cared about working Americans, super patriotic, etc
and if you are putting Americans first, you are not going to want to keep the most law abiding illegal alien...
one illegal alien the "most wonderful law abiding" being here for 15 years, with one kid in school costs $12K average per year...
Coulter is of course the one who said that she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House as long as he built the wall.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 02:00 PM (5115x)
it's amazing what some people choose to believe as literally true versus hyperbole
she did say last night, which I agree with, is that Trump does get some thing wrong, he's not a politician, but one thing he has been consistent on is that he very pro-American, putting Americans first, even before campaigning, has always cared about working Americans, super patriotic, etc
and if you are putting Americans first, you are not going to want to keep the most law abiding illegal alien...
one illegal alien the "most wonderful law abiding" being here for 15 years, with one kid in school costs $12K average per year...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (qCMvj)
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I wonder if they ever got the memo that this wasn't allowed anymore, or if it's still okay because she's conservative.
Posted by: Kensington
For the Left, conservatism is the font of all that is evil. Therefore, there are no restrictions, considerations, or sins that can be committed in attacking them.
And people here wonder why islam finds sympathy on the Left...
Posted by: Kensington
For the Left, conservatism is the font of all that is evil. Therefore, there are no restrictions, considerations, or sins that can be committed in attacking them.
And people here wonder why islam finds sympathy on the Left...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (V3IFq)
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>> This is certainly a better approach. Unfortunately,
>> it's one that Trump lambasted when Romney
>> pretended to support it.
So Trump trots out Spinal Tap's Stonehenge, says 'I built a wall!' and retreats to enforcing existing law.
That's still better than what we've had from either party since...uh...most of my life.
I am no particular Trump booster, but this is one of those situations where there really is NOT a choice.
>> it's one that Trump lambasted when Romney
>> pretended to support it.
So Trump trots out Spinal Tap's Stonehenge, says 'I built a wall!' and retreats to enforcing existing law.
That's still better than what we've had from either party since...uh...most of my life.
I am no particular Trump booster, but this is one of those situations where there really is NOT a choice.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:10 PM (o+SC1)
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Rev says there are hundreds of bees covering the floor. Said hundreds of bees have to be swept up.
I wonder how long it will take him?
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dFi94)
***
Shop Vac.
or leaf blower and an open door. Matter of minutes.....
I wonder how long it will take him?
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dFi94)
***
Shop Vac.
or leaf blower and an open door. Matter of minutes.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 02:10 PM (lutOX)
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God Joe you are disappointing.
I don't "spin" for anybody, I don't care about any candidate, I only care about results, policies, what's right and wrong.
Anyone who thinks deporting 11 million (or causing them to depart, partly through deportations of others) is not feasible, is an idiot, or completely ignorant about the topic.
A "deportation force" comment would be a typically lame Trump way of referring to something that already exists, has existed for decades, and needs nothing other than leadership to do its job. "Backing away" from such a concept would also be a way of simply not repeating an ill-considered formulation of a concept that is moot - the "force" already exists and doesn't need to be created.
I ask over and over for any substantiation that there's been a "reversal" or even significant change in Trump's illegal migration positions and nothing is produced.
The blog, and many of the veteran redoubtable commenters, regurgitate a typical MSM-generated non-troversy, and that's supposed to be the basis for discussion. Yet some wonder how Obama is president, and Clinton can even be a candidate.
I don't "spin" for anybody, I don't care about any candidate, I only care about results, policies, what's right and wrong.
Anyone who thinks deporting 11 million (or causing them to depart, partly through deportations of others) is not feasible, is an idiot, or completely ignorant about the topic.
A "deportation force" comment would be a typically lame Trump way of referring to something that already exists, has existed for decades, and needs nothing other than leadership to do its job. "Backing away" from such a concept would also be a way of simply not repeating an ill-considered formulation of a concept that is moot - the "force" already exists and doesn't need to be created.
I ask over and over for any substantiation that there's been a "reversal" or even significant change in Trump's illegal migration positions and nothing is produced.
The blog, and many of the veteran redoubtable commenters, regurgitate a typical MSM-generated non-troversy, and that's supposed to be the basis for discussion. Yet some wonder how Obama is president, and Clinton can even be a candidate.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 02:10 PM (QDnY+)
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Trump: better on border security than Hillary.
Trump: Better on SCOTUS picks than Hillary.
Trump: Not as crooked as Hillary. (bar lies on ground, but still).
In what (desired) area is Hillary superior to Trump?
Trump: Better on SCOTUS picks than Hillary.
Trump: Not as crooked as Hillary. (bar lies on ground, but still).
In what (desired) area is Hillary superior to Trump?
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3myMJ)
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PRIVATIZE IT. The market will produce a
solution. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going
long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (kXoT0)
Privatization is not the panacea that some believe it is. Some things the government should do and can do better. Enforcing the law is one of those things.
solution. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going
long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:02 PM (kXoT0)
Privatization is not the panacea that some believe it is. Some things the government should do and can do better. Enforcing the law is one of those things.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3JA/M)
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Not at all, but some Trump fans seem to need to make these boards a "safe space." Over the last few months a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
Sounds as if the ones "driven off" (your words) were the ones who needed the "safe space."
Not at all, but some Trump fans seem to need to make these boards a "safe space." Over the last few months a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
Sounds as if the ones "driven off" (your words) were the ones who needed the "safe space."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (IqV8l)
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Hi I'm Average Joe and I suck cock by choice.
Posted by: Average Joe at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (8huWI)
Barry: Me too
Posted by: Average Joe at August 26, 2016 02:09 PM (8huWI)
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Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (493sH)
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I think he's trying to maybe make the point that people are getting deported now and that this really isn't such a crazy idea that people who aren't supposed to be here are going to continue to get deported, but actually get serious about it?
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That's the impression I got, he's saying this is nothing new, OBAMA IS ALREADY DOING IT, so how the hell is this controversial?
He's trying to mainstream his positions, whether it works or not, Im not sure, since it also freaks out a lot of people when he tempers his language.
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That's the impression I got, he's saying this is nothing new, OBAMA IS ALREADY DOING IT, so how the hell is this controversial?
He's trying to mainstream his positions, whether it works or not, Im not sure, since it also freaks out a lot of people when he tempers his language.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (qZfxn)
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"There's a reason why Sessions went all in with Trump instead of Cruz."
Yep.
And don't forget that Cruz's father and Cruz himself are poster boys for uncontrolled immigration. His father was Cuban, then used the US for awhile, then got Canadian citizenship, then finally got US citizenship when he wanted his ineligible Canadian son to run for president. If that doesn't tell you how little the guy takes citizenship seriously, then nothing does.
Now. I'm done talking about Cruz. Except in rebuttal comments, if necessary.
It's about Trump vs. Hillary now.
She must NEVER become president.
Yep.
And don't forget that Cruz's father and Cruz himself are poster boys for uncontrolled immigration. His father was Cuban, then used the US for awhile, then got Canadian citizenship, then finally got US citizenship when he wanted his ineligible Canadian son to run for president. If that doesn't tell you how little the guy takes citizenship seriously, then nothing does.
Now. I'm done talking about Cruz. Except in rebuttal comments, if necessary.
It's about Trump vs. Hillary now.
She must NEVER become president.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (OUjkK)
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On one extreme, if there is so much illegal immigration that the meaning of citizenship itself is meaningless, then yes that is bad.
Posted by: chemjeff a
Thank you for your reply.
Posted by: chemjeff a
Thank you for your reply.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (V3IFq)
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>>>Why the fuck are you still talking about Cruz? You brought him up. The world has moved on.
The guy is underwater in his own home state. Doubt he will even be re-elected.
Yet, you use Cruz to undermine Trump. Trump's stances haven't changed at all.
So you need to change your level of discourse. Bub.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (OUjkK))>>>
#NeverHillary brought Cruz up in a question, which I answered. I didn't bring him up. Take it up with him, bubba.
The guy is underwater in his own home state. Doubt he will even be re-elected.
Yet, you use Cruz to undermine Trump. Trump's stances haven't changed at all.
So you need to change your level of discourse. Bub.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:03 PM (OUjkK))>>>
#NeverHillary brought Cruz up in a question, which I answered. I didn't bring him up. Take it up with him, bubba.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (4ueYo)
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299 In the primaries, did Trump compliment Obama on how many people he has deported and promise to continue do as Obama had done, "although perhaps with a lot more energy"?
Cause he said that this week, and it kinda sounds new.
Posted by: person
What does that even mean? I'm honestly asking.
I think he's trying to maybe make the point that people are getting deported now and that this really isn't such a crazy idea that people who aren't supposed to be here are going to continue to get deported, but actually get serious about it?
I just don't see that as a "reversal"
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:07 PM (U2pFT)
Because it's not a reversal.
And Cruz's campaign for Senate was funded by Heidi with Goldman Sachs money. She was a VP for them. And Cruz did push the TPA. He was a leading GOP backer of it. Sad that Cruz supporters deny actual facts.
299 In the primaries, did Trump compliment Obama on how many people he has deported and promise to continue do as Obama had done, "although perhaps with a lot more energy"?
Cause he said that this week, and it kinda sounds new.
Posted by: person
What does that even mean? I'm honestly asking.
I think he's trying to maybe make the point that people are getting deported now and that this really isn't such a crazy idea that people who aren't supposed to be here are going to continue to get deported, but actually get serious about it?
I just don't see that as a "reversal"
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:07 PM (U2pFT)
Because it's not a reversal.
And Cruz's campaign for Senate was funded by Heidi with Goldman Sachs money. She was a VP for them. And Cruz did push the TPA. He was a leading GOP backer of it. Sad that Cruz supporters deny actual facts.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
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Consider the source:
"In an interview with NJ Advance Media on Thursday, Giuliani, a top adviser to the Republican presidential nominee said..."
An interview with Claude Brodesser-Akner.
A liberal, primary entertainment industry writer now assigned to the Trump beat, who has been published in the New Republic, who's progressive enough to take his wife's name on marriage. And that's just the Cliff on his bio.
So, thinking taking his interpretation of what Rudy said and Christie did as an interpretation from a conservative perspective, might not be the best idea.
Consider the source:
"In an interview with NJ Advance Media on Thursday, Giuliani, a top adviser to the Republican presidential nominee said..."
An interview with Claude Brodesser-Akner.
A liberal, primary entertainment industry writer now assigned to the Trump beat, who has been published in the New Republic, who's progressive enough to take his wife's name on marriage. And that's just the Cliff on his bio.
So, thinking taking his interpretation of what Rudy said and Christie did as an interpretation from a conservative perspective, might not be the best idea.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (kdS6q)
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Let's talk about something less divisive....like crossbows vs. the type of bow only unmanly male feminist would use
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (/HC6x)
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Just some basic enforcement at the employer level would reverse much of illegal immigration overnight.
Right now, it's ILLEGAL for an employer to ask to see a Social Security card.
Think of all the current regulation and disclosure employers have to do, but checking if the person they are hiring is illegal is well, illegal.
That one small change would probably take care of half the problem.
Right now, it's ILLEGAL for an employer to ask to see a Social Security card.
Think of all the current regulation and disclosure employers have to do, but checking if the person they are hiring is illegal is well, illegal.
That one small change would probably take care of half the problem.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (U2pFT)
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What was the figure I saw posted here recently -- that something like 1/4 to 1/3 of all Mexicans are now living in the US?
Our Illegal Immigrant problem has for years really been a Mexican border problem, and mostly involved Mexicans. We're now seeing Central Americans passing through Mexico.
Rightly seen, this is a kind of invasion and should be treated as such. Doing so is part of the solution.
Mexico enables Illegal Immigration as part of its solution to its own domestic problems. Which is why a lot of Illegals are not Mexico's finest.
Our Illegal Immigrant problem has for years really been a Mexican border problem, and mostly involved Mexicans. We're now seeing Central Americans passing through Mexico.
Rightly seen, this is a kind of invasion and should be treated as such. Doing so is part of the solution.
Mexico enables Illegal Immigration as part of its solution to its own domestic problems. Which is why a lot of Illegals are not Mexico's finest.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (r1fLd)
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"one illegal alien the "most wonderful law abiding" being here for 15 years, with one kid in school costs $12K average per year..."
I know this won't change anyone's minds here, but the kids being educated here will end up staying in America.
Its not like we educate these kids and they run back to Honduras with their high school diploma.
I know this won't change anyone's minds here, but the kids being educated here will end up staying in America.
Its not like we educate these kids and they run back to Honduras with their high school diploma.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (UBBWX)
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I think what's surprising to me about all this is just how strong the already existing laws on immigration was. I always thought they were loose and weak to begin with, and not that they were actually sensible and strong, we just weren't enforcing it for shit.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (qZfxn)
332
Over the last few months a lot of really good
posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep
behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate
here.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Your cock is full of poppy. You're smart, I'll hand you that, but
completely transparent. You think Ace doesn't see through a con job like
you?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (ZFUt7)
Person is right...
posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep
behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate
here.
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Your cock is full of poppy. You're smart, I'll hand you that, but
completely transparent. You think Ace doesn't see through a con job like
you?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (ZFUt7)
Person is right...
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (3JA/M)
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Trump would be more likely than Hillary to direct the federal agencies to stop advertising in foreign countries that encourage illegal entry and then helping to file for assistance programs.
When was the last time you heard a p.s.a. announcement?
When was the last time you heard a p.s.a. announcement?
Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (GzDYP)
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Privatization is not the panacea that some believe it is. Some things the government should do and can do better. Enforcing the law is one of those things.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3JA/M)
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I don't know. Having my own private police force would be pretty cool.
Privatization is not the panacea that some believe it is. Some things the government should do and can do better. Enforcing the law is one of those things.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3JA/M)
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I don't know. Having my own private police force would be pretty cool.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (6HqlZ)
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"Rightly seen, this is a kind of invasion and should be treated as such. Doing so is part of the solution."
I've never heard of a touchback invasion, but Trump is okay with it.
I've never heard of a touchback invasion, but Trump is okay with it.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (UBBWX)
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>> Ultimately I am pragmatic about the issue. Breaking
>> the law is bad, yes. Creating a police state to
>> enforce the law is also bad. Note that I'm NOT
>> SAYING that we have a police state, or that Trump
>> wants to create a police state. I simply view illegal
>> immigration in a broader context.
Zero illegal immigration is not achievable. 80/20 rule at work.
A level of illegal immigration that does not adversely affect the quality of life of the legal residents - in crime, tax rates, employment - is IMO the goal.
And I'm sure Trump recognizes that his job is not to eliminate illegal immigration, but just to get it down to a level where it's no longer a visible political issue.
The battle, though, is not just border enforcement, and not just employers, but the visa overstays and kicking the teeth out of local government entities like the SF Board of Supervisors.
>> the law is bad, yes. Creating a police state to
>> enforce the law is also bad. Note that I'm NOT
>> SAYING that we have a police state, or that Trump
>> wants to create a police state. I simply view illegal
>> immigration in a broader context.
Zero illegal immigration is not achievable. 80/20 rule at work.
A level of illegal immigration that does not adversely affect the quality of life of the legal residents - in crime, tax rates, employment - is IMO the goal.
And I'm sure Trump recognizes that his job is not to eliminate illegal immigration, but just to get it down to a level where it's no longer a visible political issue.
The battle, though, is not just border enforcement, and not just employers, but the visa overstays and kicking the teeth out of local government entities like the SF Board of Supervisors.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (o+SC1)
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What is odd here is that people are think that a statement by Trump about deporting all illegals is what got him the win.
Not by my standards. (and I supported Cruz, but now Trump, because NOT hillary)
It's silly season alright. I'm voting for Trump because not Hillary. Yes, I wanted a wall, but who, seriously who thought 1) he could deport all illegals (although I wouldn't care at all - it is what Bush, George and Jeb supported, and Mario - back of the line, go out and come back in), and 2) hung their vote for Trump on that?
a handful of people
The nevertrumpers are still acting so delirious.
What is odd here is that people are think that a statement by Trump about deporting all illegals is what got him the win.
Not by my standards. (and I supported Cruz, but now Trump, because NOT hillary)
It's silly season alright. I'm voting for Trump because not Hillary. Yes, I wanted a wall, but who, seriously who thought 1) he could deport all illegals (although I wouldn't care at all - it is what Bush, George and Jeb supported, and Mario - back of the line, go out and come back in), and 2) hung their vote for Trump on that?
a handful of people
The nevertrumpers are still acting so delirious.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (qCMvj)
339
Privatization is not the panacea that some believe it is. Some things the government should do and can do better. Enforcing the law is one of those things.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3JA/M)
I was talking about research and verification. The private solution would verify that the person is legally able to work in the US by dint of having a Green Card or being a citizen or whatever other criteria is deemed suitable. The government is notoriously bad about cross database usage and efficient programming. Some of it is deliberate, such as refusing to use the death certificate databases to prevent voter fraud.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3JA/M)
I was talking about research and verification. The private solution would verify that the person is legally able to work in the US by dint of having a Green Card or being a citizen or whatever other criteria is deemed suitable. The government is notoriously bad about cross database usage and efficient programming. Some of it is deliberate, such as refusing to use the death certificate databases to prevent voter fraud.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (kXoT0)
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>>>Now. I'm done talking about Cruz. Except in rebuttal comments, if necessary.
It's about Trump vs. Hillary now.
She must NEVER become president.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (OUjkK)>>>
Then, I wonder why you continue to attack anyone who may actually like Cruz? Or, may have supported him in the past? It's quite a strange strategy to try your damnedest to alienate people whose support you want. But, whatever, I'm already supporting Trump. I'm not going to let you talk me out of it.
It's about Trump vs. Hillary now.
She must NEVER become president.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:11 PM (OUjkK)>>>
Then, I wonder why you continue to attack anyone who may actually like Cruz? Or, may have supported him in the past? It's quite a strange strategy to try your damnedest to alienate people whose support you want. But, whatever, I'm already supporting Trump. I'm not going to let you talk me out of it.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (4ueYo)
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Elbow room is necessary to win the WH. I'm okay with
deporting only 80% of the illegals if I get my border fence. Call me a
moderate alt-Right racist. If you want to sell the deal, throw in Lois
Lerner in a Federal Penitentiary for a couple of decades as a sweetener.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (oDCMR)
*This^^
I'm with Puddin Head.
deporting only 80% of the illegals if I get my border fence. Call me a
moderate alt-Right racist. If you want to sell the deal, throw in Lois
Lerner in a Federal Penitentiary for a couple of decades as a sweetener.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (oDCMR)
*This^^
I'm with Puddin Head.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (NpXoL)
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>> Breaking the law is bad, yes. Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (5115x)
Come here for the pretty paintings. Stay for the piercing, unassailable intellect.
Come here for the pretty paintings. Stay for the piercing, unassailable intellect.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (Bdeb0)
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I like to watch true life crime shows on ID. This episode is about a married pastor who's banging half the congregation. His wife is cramping his style so he murders her making it look like an accident. Then he goes over to his mother-in-law's house to discuss a marker for her grave and bangs her!
This guy ought to get an award or something.
This guy ought to get an award or something.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 26, 2016 02:15 PM (Nwg0u)
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one illegal alien the "most wonderful law abiding" being here for 15 years,
Oxymoron. Law abiding illegal alien. Oxymoron.
Being here 15 years = breaking the law for 15 years.
Oxymoron. Law abiding illegal alien. Oxymoron.
Being here 15 years = breaking the law for 15 years.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:15 PM (Cd8NC)
345
What this place needs about now is another Knut to come along.
I miss that little guy.
I miss that little guy.
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:15 PM (yrZFq)
346
Over the last few months a lot of really good
posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep
behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate
here.
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This is sadly true. Think about some of the names you don't really see here anymore. I myself stay just for spite.
posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep
behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate
here.
===============================
This is sadly true. Think about some of the names you don't really see here anymore. I myself stay just for spite.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (dFi94)
347
And Cruz's campaign for Senate was funded by Heidi with Goldman Sachs money. She was a VP for them. And Cruz did push the TPA. He was a leading GOP backer of it. Sad that Cruz supporters deny actual facts.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
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Trump's intends to make a Goldman Sachs banker (who currently serves as his national finance chairman) Treasury Secretary.
You got duped real hard.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
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Trump's intends to make a Goldman Sachs banker (who currently serves as his national finance chairman) Treasury Secretary.
You got duped real hard.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (mFkVC)
348
Remain Calm! All is WELL!
Posted by: Chip Diller at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (RwwCT)
349
Right now, it's ILLEGAL for an employer to ask to see a Social Security card.
Think of all the current regulation and disclosure employers have to
do, but checking if the person they are hiring is illegal is well,
illegal.
That one small change would probably take care of half the problem.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (U2pFT)
Unless it is some weird state law where you live, this is not illegal at all. I had to provide both a birth certificate and a SS card as proof of legal status when I got my job a decade ago and my children had to do the same within the last year when they were hired.
Think of all the current regulation and disclosure employers have to
do, but checking if the person they are hiring is illegal is well,
illegal.
That one small change would probably take care of half the problem.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (U2pFT)
Unless it is some weird state law where you live, this is not illegal at all. I had to provide both a birth certificate and a SS card as proof of legal status when I got my job a decade ago and my children had to do the same within the last year when they were hired.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (3JA/M)
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>>>331 I think what's surprising to me about all this is just how strong the already existing laws on immigration was. I always thought they were loose and weak to begin with, and not that they were actually sensible and strong, we just weren't enforcing it for shit.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (qZfxn)>>>
This is why new laws are pretty pointless. What we need is someone with a will. I won't be holding my breath.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:13 PM (qZfxn)>>>
This is why new laws are pretty pointless. What we need is someone with a will. I won't be holding my breath.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (4ueYo)
351
a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
******
Who got driven off? A lot of pro-Trump people got banned too.
******
Who got driven off? A lot of pro-Trump people got banned too.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (6IPEM)
352
He's trying to mainstream his positions, whether it works or not, Im not sure, since it also freaks out a lot of people when he tempers his language.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
To me, that's the best explanation, he's mainstreaming it.
Now what advisors are saying off the record, I don't know, but I'm not seeing a formal declaration from Trump that he's changing course. But boy oh boy, the same people that are foaming at the mouth that Trump better not run on this issue are now crying crocodile tears that he "betrayed us".
Posted by: #NeverHillary
To me, that's the best explanation, he's mainstreaming it.
Now what advisors are saying off the record, I don't know, but I'm not seeing a formal declaration from Trump that he's changing course. But boy oh boy, the same people that are foaming at the mouth that Trump better not run on this issue are now crying crocodile tears that he "betrayed us".
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (U2pFT)
353
"And I'm sure Trump recognizes that his job is not to eliminate illegal immigration, but just to get it down to a level where it's no longer a visible political issue."
Everyone is so sure they know what Trump thinks his job is.
Even as he's sexting other women, you think he'll be loyal.
Everyone is so sure they know what Trump thinks his job is.
Even as he's sexting other women, you think he'll be loyal.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (MK9cc)
355
Who got driven off? A lot of pro-Trump people got banned too.
True... There was a lot of nastiness going on...
True... There was a lot of nastiness going on...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (O2RFr)
356
I totally understand the Trumpsters' unending need to bash Ted Cruz. It's the only political victory their boy is ever gonna get.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (u9+sE)
357
Trump just has to win to put a dent in the number of illegals crossing the border(s).
He's being portrayed as the devil.
Who'd want to come to Hell?
He's being portrayed as the devil.
Who'd want to come to Hell?
Posted by: redneckbitterclinger at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (jAZR9)
358
And I'm sure Trump recognizes that his job is not to eliminate illegal immigration, but just to get it down to a level where it's no longer a visible political issue.
The battle, though, is not just border enforcement, and not just employers, but the visa overstays and kicking the teeth out of local government entities like the SF Board of Supervisors.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (o+SC1)
IMHO, the battle is to get to where we admit that they are criminals--felons, to be exact and stop exalting them like they are heroes and should be placed ahead of Americans in every case--including vehicular homicide, drunk driving, actual murder, human trafficking, and drug smuggling.
The battle, though, is not just border enforcement, and not just employers, but the visa overstays and kicking the teeth out of local government entities like the SF Board of Supervisors.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (o+SC1)
IMHO, the battle is to get to where we admit that they are criminals--felons, to be exact and stop exalting them like they are heroes and should be placed ahead of Americans in every case--including vehicular homicide, drunk driving, actual murder, human trafficking, and drug smuggling.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (kXoT0)
359
Breaking the law is bad, yes. Posted by: chemjeff
Please post a list of felonies you are comfortable with giving people a pass on. I'd like to know so I can maybe get my freak on.
Please post a list of felonies you are comfortable with giving people a pass on. I'd like to know so I can maybe get my freak on.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (Cd8NC)
360
This guy ought to get an award or something.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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A shirt & a platinum membership at the very least.
This guy ought to get an award or something.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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A shirt & a platinum membership at the very least.
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (yrZFq)
361
'But boy oh boy, the same people that are foaming at the mouth that Trump better not run on this issue are now crying crocodile tears that he "betrayed us".'
No. We're just astounded as you guys rationalize why Trump isn't selling you out.
Can't wait until we found out what he told the NYT.
No. We're just astounded as you guys rationalize why Trump isn't selling you out.
Can't wait until we found out what he told the NYT.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (UBBWX)
362
Trump: You have to answer for the flip-flop on amnesty, Chris.
Christie: Donald, you got it all wrong.
Trump: Ah, that little farce you played endorsing me early. You think that would fool a Trump?
Christie: Donald, I'm innocent. I swear on the kids.
Trump: Sit down.
Christie: Please don't do this to me, Donald. Please don't.
Trump: Manafort is out. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent. Admit what you did.
[Christie starts sobbing]
Trump: Get him a drink. Don't be afraid, Chris. Come on, think I'd make New Jersey a headless state?
Trump: Go ahead. Drink. Drink. No, you're out of the campaign, that's your punishment. You're finished. I'm putting you on a plane to Winston-Salem, to the Krispy Kreme factory. Bannon?
[Bannon hands Christie an airplane ticket]
Trump: I want you to stay there, you understand?
[Christie nods]
Trump: Only don't tell me that you're innocent. Because it insults my intelligence and it makes me very angry. Now who approached you first? Jeb? or Ryan?
Christie: It was Jeb.
Trump: Good. There's a car outside that will take you to the airport. I'll call your wife and tell her what flight you're on.
Christie: Listen, Donald...
Trump: Go on. Get out of my sight.
Christie: Donald, you got it all wrong.
Trump: Ah, that little farce you played endorsing me early. You think that would fool a Trump?
Christie: Donald, I'm innocent. I swear on the kids.
Trump: Sit down.
Christie: Please don't do this to me, Donald. Please don't.
Trump: Manafort is out. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent. Admit what you did.
[Christie starts sobbing]
Trump: Get him a drink. Don't be afraid, Chris. Come on, think I'd make New Jersey a headless state?
Trump: Go ahead. Drink. Drink. No, you're out of the campaign, that's your punishment. You're finished. I'm putting you on a plane to Winston-Salem, to the Krispy Kreme factory. Bannon?
[Bannon hands Christie an airplane ticket]
Trump: I want you to stay there, you understand?
[Christie nods]
Trump: Only don't tell me that you're innocent. Because it insults my intelligence and it makes me very angry. Now who approached you first? Jeb? or Ryan?
Christie: It was Jeb.
Trump: Good. There's a car outside that will take you to the airport. I'll call your wife and tell her what flight you're on.
Christie: Listen, Donald...
Trump: Go on. Get out of my sight.
Posted by: Overheard in Trump Tower at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (PL2OL)
363
This is sadly true. Think about some of the names you don't really see here anymore. I myself stay just for spite.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (dFi94)
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I hope it goes back to the way it used to be after the election - but I think its more likely Ace closes up shop. Which would be a shame.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (dFi94)
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I hope it goes back to the way it used to be after the election - but I think its more likely Ace closes up shop. Which would be a shame.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (mFkVC)
364
Deportation? They got deportation now? I knowed Star Treks wuz reelz.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein Jr at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (ucB75)
365
I don't know. Having my own private police force would be pretty cool.
Posted by: Soona
But you'd make local peace dicks jealous what with your standard issue Kimbers and Tavors and your Barrets.
They'd positively plotz seeing the custom Bearcats driving around with the quad .50's.
Just can't have that. Think of the children. And the stacked pensions.
Posted by: Soona
But you'd make local peace dicks jealous what with your standard issue Kimbers and Tavors and your Barrets.
They'd positively plotz seeing the custom Bearcats driving around with the quad .50's.
Just can't have that. Think of the children. And the stacked pensions.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (V3IFq)
366
Person is right...
Posted by: redbanzai
Name one poster driven off.
I've been nearly driven off by the NeverTrumpers in disguise.
Who then claim umbrage if anyone questions their motives.
Who then site Ace as they scurry away.
I see the game. Anyone with an IQ north of three digits should.
Posted by: redbanzai
Name one poster driven off.
I've been nearly driven off by the NeverTrumpers in disguise.
Who then claim umbrage if anyone questions their motives.
Who then site Ace as they scurry away.
I see the game. Anyone with an IQ north of three digits should.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (ZFUt7)
367
This is sadly true. Think about some of the names you don't really see here anymore. I myself stay just for spite.
I thought you just avoiding the bees.
I thought you just avoiding the bees.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (T/cxb)
368
Still waiting to hear why Hillary or even Johnson is the best use of a vote rather than Trump.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
369
Same here. Romney seems like a good man at least. McCain is a total asshole.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (6IPEM)
My frendssh,,,I am a total asshole.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (6IPEM)
My frendssh,,,I am a total asshole.
Posted by: Asshole McCain at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (8iiMU)
370
Boy.. it didn't take long for all the Trump-bots to come out with "Reversal? What reversal??" fucking idiots.. That was the only thing I liked about the guy.. kicking out all the illegals!
Posted by: Hillary (The Collector) Clinton at August 26, 2016 02:19 PM (so+oy)
371
>> If you want to sell the deal, throw in Lois
>> Lerner in a Federal Penitentiary for a couple of
>> decades as a sweetener.
Just Lois Lerner?
The prospect of seeing multiple Obama officials in prison is a tantalizing one. Not sure Trump will go there. Not even for the Iranian moles.
>> Lerner in a Federal Penitentiary for a couple of
>> decades as a sweetener.
Just Lois Lerner?
The prospect of seeing multiple Obama officials in prison is a tantalizing one. Not sure Trump will go there. Not even for the Iranian moles.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:19 PM (o+SC1)
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>>>Zero illegal immigration is not achievable. 80/20 rule at work.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (o+SC1)>>>
I'm pretty sure that we'd all be amazed if a pol actually implemented 20/80. In fact, at 20/80, you'd have a massive change in incentives for new arrivals.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (o+SC1)>>>
I'm pretty sure that we'd all be amazed if a pol actually implemented 20/80. In fact, at 20/80, you'd have a massive change in incentives for new arrivals.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:19 PM (4ueYo)
373
I like to watch true life crime shows on ID. This episode is about a married pastor who's banging half the congregation. His wife is cramping his style so he murders her making it look like an accident. Then he goes over to his mother-in-law's house to discuss a marker for her grave and bangs her!
This guy ought to get an award or something.
Platinum membership at least.
This guy ought to get an award or something.
Platinum membership at least.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:19 PM (Cd8NC)
374
>>>Same here. Romney seems like a good man at least. McCain is a total asshole.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (6IPEM) >>>
I thought they both seemed like total assholes, even if Romney did good works.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:08 PM (6IPEM) >>>
I thought they both seemed like total assholes, even if Romney did good works.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:20 PM (4ueYo)
375
off, eff'n sock!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 26, 2016 02:20 PM (so+oy)
376
Still waiting to hear why Hillary or even Johnson is the best use of a vote rather than Trump.
Posted by: Meremortal
Well, obviously you'll need to split your ballot. Vote Hillary for President, but Libertarian on the down ticket races.
That's the conservative way.
Still waiting to hear why Hillary or even Johnson is the best use of a vote rather than Trump.
Posted by: Meremortal
Well, obviously you'll need to split your ballot. Vote Hillary for President, but Libertarian on the down ticket races.
That's the conservative way.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (kdS6q)
377
This is an honest question, and I hope I'm not poking a sore spot, but... what happened to the cobloggers?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (mFkVC)
378
And Cruz's campaign for Senate was funded by Heidi with Goldman Sachs money. She was a VP for them. And Cruz did push the TPA. He was a leading GOP backer of it. Sad that Cruz supporters deny actual facts.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
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I see the one-namers are out again. Must be shift change time at the internet sweat shop.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
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I see the one-namers are out again. Must be shift change time at the internet sweat shop.
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (/m8T6)
379
Frankly, this place (political posts), and this election, have been boring as hell for at least 6 months. How many times do you have to say, or hear, the same goddamned thing per day? The country will probably not get significantly better after the election, but the quality of political blogs should.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (2cS/G)
380
368 Still waiting to hear why Hillary or even Johnson is the best use of a vote rather than Trump.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
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Heh. Me too.
368 Still waiting to hear why Hillary or even Johnson is the best use of a vote rather than Trump.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
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Heh. Me too.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (Fmupd)
381
I see the one-namers are out again. Must be shift change time at the internet sweat shop.
Usually She/ He's alright...
Usually She/ He's alright...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (O2RFr)
382
Unless it is some weird state law where you live, this is not illegal at all. I had to provide both a birth certificate and a SS card as proof of legal status when I got my job a decade ago and my children had to do the same within the last year when they were hired.
Posted by: redbanzai
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This is from a law firm specializing in these types of immigration issue. Right now we have an I9 form for eligibility requirements:
"The I-9 does not require a social security number (indeed, requiring a potential employee to produce a social security card for I-9 purposes is a substantive violation and could result in significant fines). By contrast, E-Verify requires a social security number."
Posted by: redbanzai
_______
This is from a law firm specializing in these types of immigration issue. Right now we have an I9 form for eligibility requirements:
"The I-9 does not require a social security number (indeed, requiring a potential employee to produce a social security card for I-9 purposes is a substantive violation and could result in significant fines). By contrast, E-Verify requires a social security number."
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (U2pFT)
383
And Cruz's campaign for Senate was funded by Heidi with Goldman Sachs
money. She was a VP for them. And Cruz did push the TPA. He was a
leading GOP backer of it. Sad that Cruz supporters deny actual facts.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
While GS did donate to Cruz's campaign, they were no where near his main source of support. Heidi's job does not matter no matter how much you want to believe Cruz is a globalist (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean).
Cruz did support TPA and he caught hell for it (including several phone calls from me). I understand why he did as I am a firm supporter of free trade myself. TPA was not problematic in theory. The problem is that this President and this Congress could not be trusted not to screw us using the fast track process to pass things that had nothing to do with free trade. Cruz backed off of TPA and never supported TPP so you can stop repeating that lie.
money. She was a VP for them. And Cruz did push the TPA. He was a
leading GOP backer of it. Sad that Cruz supporters deny actual facts.
Posted by: Bernette at August 26, 2016 02:12 PM (ru2SK)
While GS did donate to Cruz's campaign, they were no where near his main source of support. Heidi's job does not matter no matter how much you want to believe Cruz is a globalist (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean).
Cruz did support TPA and he caught hell for it (including several phone calls from me). I understand why he did as I am a firm supporter of free trade myself. TPA was not problematic in theory. The problem is that this President and this Congress could not be trusted not to screw us using the fast track process to pass things that had nothing to do with free trade. Cruz backed off of TPA and never supported TPP so you can stop repeating that lie.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (3JA/M)
384
>> Well, obviously you'll need to split your ballot. Vote
>> Hillary for President, but Libertarian on the down
>> ticket races.
Gary Johnson sounds like a nice, halfway honest, leftist Democrat. A Dukakis/Kerry-grade Democrat nominee in any sane year.
So I'll be quite happy to see lots of Democrats and Democrat-leaners voting for him.
>> Hillary for President, but Libertarian on the down
>> ticket races.
Gary Johnson sounds like a nice, halfway honest, leftist Democrat. A Dukakis/Kerry-grade Democrat nominee in any sane year.
So I'll be quite happy to see lots of Democrats and Democrat-leaners voting for him.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (o+SC1)
385
Begonia hails Trump's shift on Immigration.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/ la-na-trailguide-updates-jeb-bush-offers-disdain-as-donald-trump-1472157099-htmlstory.html
Eric Cantor also.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/ la-na-trailguide-updates-jeb-bush-offers-disdain-as-donald-trump-1472157099-htmlstory.html
Eric Cantor also.
Posted by: V the K at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (O7MnT)
386
l the Trump-bots to come out with "Reversal? What reversal??" fucking idiots..
*********************
You're right, what was I thinking, I'll go vote for Hillary now since she's more likely to secure the border. /s
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
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You're right, what was I thinking, I'll go vote for Hillary now since she's more likely to secure the border. /s
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (qZfxn)
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (yrZFq)
388
This is an honest question, and I hope I'm not poking a sore spot, but... what happened to the cobloggers?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Getting tired of the free speech and hoping to get someone banned, cupcake?
Posted by: person(a non grata)
Getting tired of the free speech and hoping to get someone banned, cupcake?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (ZFUt7)
389
Same here. Romney seems like a good man at least. McCain is a total asshole.
Posted by: L, Elle
I used to think Romney was a good man until he went off the rails regarding Trump.
he doesn't have to support him, but he could at least have the class to keep his mouth shut after the fact and NOT try and run a 3rd party candidate to elect Hilary.
Posted by: L, Elle
I used to think Romney was a good man until he went off the rails regarding Trump.
he doesn't have to support him, but he could at least have the class to keep his mouth shut after the fact and NOT try and run a 3rd party candidate to elect Hilary.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (U2pFT)
390
68 Still waiting to hear why Hillary or even Johnson is the best use of a vote rather than Trump.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
.........
It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections..
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (3myMJ)
.........
It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (so+oy)
391
>>Person is right...
"Person" is a concern troll who stirs up sh#t in every thread.
Pretty obvious, as someone else noted up thread.
Don't take the bait.
"Person" is a concern troll who stirs up sh#t in every thread.
Pretty obvious, as someone else noted up thread.
Don't take the bait.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (NOIQH)
392
We can all still agree McCain is an asshole.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (UBBWX)
393
Please post a list of felonies you are comfortable with giving people a pass on. I'd like to know so I can maybe get my freak on.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (Cd8NC)
Yeah, that has always been my demand when people say, well, illegals just want a better life. OK, I want a better life too, what felonies can I commit for free to make my path a little smoother. Now, I don't want Hillary level free felonies, just garden variety felonies that illegals commit to work, access services to which they are not entitled, etc.
I'll just go sit on my tuffet and read War and Peace while I wait for that list.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:17 PM (Cd8NC)
Yeah, that has always been my demand when people say, well, illegals just want a better life. OK, I want a better life too, what felonies can I commit for free to make my path a little smoother. Now, I don't want Hillary level free felonies, just garden variety felonies that illegals commit to work, access services to which they are not entitled, etc.
I'll just go sit on my tuffet and read War and Peace while I wait for that list.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (kXoT0)
394
This is an honest question, and I hope I'm not poking a sore spot, but... what happened to the cobloggers?
There was some cannibalism, and then things got really crazy...
There was some cannibalism, and then things got really crazy...
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (T/cxb)
395
a lot of really good posters have been driven off because they wouldn't fall in lockstep behind Trump, and it has not strengthened the quality of the debate here.
******
Who got driven off? A lot of pro-Trump people got banned too.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (6IPEM)
dunno
most on their own accord
some were thin skinned, others were tossed
people take this all so personally
it's only a blog
examine your life if this is putting you over the top
******
Who got driven off? A lot of pro-Trump people got banned too.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (6IPEM)
dunno
most on their own accord
some were thin skinned, others were tossed
people take this all so personally
it's only a blog
examine your life if this is putting you over the top
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (qCMvj)
396
I know its genetically impossible for Trump to shut up, but he didn't have to say anything once he had the nomination, just run hillary is corrupt commercials.
I know its genetically impossible for Trump to shut up, but he didn't have to say anything once he had the nomination, just run hillary is corrupt commercials.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (ODxAs)
397
>> So I'll be quite happy to see lots of Democrats and
>> Democrat-leaners voting for him.
And I'll note per that FDRLST piece this AM that seems to be the Libertarian game - they're not in it to win, or anything like that, but just to get enough votes by pimping Democrat policies and sucking off Democrat-leaners that they qualify for Federal major-party money in future elections.
>> Democrat-leaners voting for him.
And I'll note per that FDRLST piece this AM that seems to be the Libertarian game - they're not in it to win, or anything like that, but just to get enough votes by pimping Democrat policies and sucking off Democrat-leaners that they qualify for Federal major-party money in future elections.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (o+SC1)
398
Trump: Only don't tell me that you're innocent. Because it insults my intelligence and it makes me very angry. Now who approached you first? Jeb? or Ryan?
Christie: It was Jeb.
Trump: Good. There's a car outside that will take you to the airport. I'll call your wife and tell her what flight you're on.
Christie: Listen, Donald...
Trump: Go on. Get out of my sight.
Posted by: Overheard in Trump Tower at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (PL2OL)
Very funny, but I thought it would be Ryan.
Christie: It was Jeb.
Trump: Good. There's a car outside that will take you to the airport. I'll call your wife and tell her what flight you're on.
Christie: Listen, Donald...
Trump: Go on. Get out of my sight.
Posted by: Overheard in Trump Tower at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (PL2OL)
Very funny, but I thought it would be Ryan.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (493sH)
399
Trump's intends to make a Goldman Sachs banker (who currently serves as his national finance chairman) Treasury Secretary. You got duped real hard.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (mFkVC)
I see no evidence of intent
Trump's intends to make a Goldman Sachs banker (who currently serves as his national finance chairman) Treasury Secretary. You got duped real hard.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (mFkVC)
I see no evidence of intent
Posted by: James Comey at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (lKyWE)
400
>>>Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (qZfxn)>>>
Not as amazing as how many were totally in the tank for Romney.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (qZfxn)>>>
Not as amazing as how many were totally in the tank for Romney.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:25 PM (4ueYo)
401
""Person" is a concern troll who stirs up sh#t in every thread."
Concern troll is a moby.
Person is not a moby.
Trump people way too into claiming any opposition must be paid people.
Baghdad Bob is not a role model.
Concern troll is a moby.
Person is not a moby.
Trump people way too into claiming any opposition must be paid people.
Baghdad Bob is not a role model.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:25 PM (UBBWX)
402
I used to think Romney was a good man until he went off the rails regarding Trump.
he doesn't have to support him, but he could at least have the class to keep his mouth shut after the fact and NOT try and run a 3rd party candidate to elect Hilary.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (U2pFT)
when you come that close to the golden ring
you kinda go nuts
he doesn't have to support him, but he could at least have the class to keep his mouth shut after the fact and NOT try and run a 3rd party candidate to elect Hilary.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (U2pFT)
when you come that close to the golden ring
you kinda go nuts
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)
403
Person is right...
Posted by: redbanzai
Name one poster driven off.
I've been nearly driven off by the NeverTrumpers in disguise.
Who then claim umbrage if anyone questions their motives.
Who then site Ace as they scurry away.
I see the game. Anyone with an IQ north of three digits should.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (ZFUt7)
Willow of willowed fame. Me most of the time now.
Posted by: redbanzai
Name one poster driven off.
I've been nearly driven off by the NeverTrumpers in disguise.
Who then claim umbrage if anyone questions their motives.
Who then site Ace as they scurry away.
I see the game. Anyone with an IQ north of three digits should.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (ZFUt7)
Willow of willowed fame. Me most of the time now.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:25 PM (3JA/M)
404
I thought you just avoiding the bees.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (T/cxb)
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Well, yeah, there's that.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 26, 2016 02:18 PM (T/cxb)
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Well, yeah, there's that.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:26 PM (dFi94)
405
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (3JA/M)
What is your goal or purpose in yapping about Cruz and griping about Trump?
What is your goal or purpose in yapping about Cruz and griping about Trump?
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:26 PM (3myMJ)
406
dunno
most on their own accord
some were thin skinned, others were tossed
people take this all so personally
it's only a blog
examine your life if this is putting you over the top
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (
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Agree.
dunno
most on their own accord
some were thin skinned, others were tossed
people take this all so personally
it's only a blog
examine your life if this is putting you over the top
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (
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Agree.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:26 PM (Fmupd)
407
I see the one-namers are out again. Must be shift change time at the internet sweat shop.
Posted by: MTF
Bernette is new. Former Bernie supporter. You'll have to give her a little time.
Posted by: MTF
Bernette is new. Former Bernie supporter. You'll have to give her a little time.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:26 PM (ZFUt7)
408
You're right, what was I thinking, I'll go vote for Hillary now since she's more likely to secure the border. /s
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
.........
Ahhh.. so now that you have stuck us with this asshole as our candidate, now we have to STFU and like it no matter what he does?? because.. because.. HILLARY!
You're right, what was I thinking, I'll go vote for Hillary now since she's more likely to secure the border. /s
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
.........
Ahhh.. so now that you have stuck us with this asshole as our candidate, now we have to STFU and like it no matter what he does?? because.. because.. HILLARY!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 26, 2016 02:26 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Babs Jansen at August 26, 2016 02:26 PM (evdj2)
410
Very funny, but I thought it would be Ryan.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (493sH)
Ryan? Ryan is a pimp. He never could have outfought Santino.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (493sH)
Ryan? Ryan is a pimp. He never could have outfought Santino.
Posted by: Overheard in Trump Tower at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (PL2OL)
411
"It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections.."
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Oh. Mister Wizard, please tell me tomorrow's lottery numbers.
I bet you were one of those who said Trump would never get the nomination too. Right?
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Oh. Mister Wizard, please tell me tomorrow's lottery numbers.
I bet you were one of those who said Trump would never get the nomination too. Right?
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (OUjkK)
412
It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections..
*****************************
Trump is currently tied or ahead in Florida and tied in Ohio.
With a race that close, yes it will be the nevertrumpers fault for failing to do the bare minimum, which is to stop waving their dicks around about being principled conservatives for 2 months.
*****************************
Trump is currently tied or ahead in Florida and tied in Ohio.
With a race that close, yes it will be the nevertrumpers fault for failing to do the bare minimum, which is to stop waving their dicks around about being principled conservatives for 2 months.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (qZfxn)
413
Name one poster driven off.
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Maetenloch
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (yrZFq)
Hey Chi... how the hell are you
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Maetenloch
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (yrZFq)
Hey Chi... how the hell are you
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (3JA/M)
414
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
This I don't understand.
The amount of people here and other bloggers trying to make the case why conservatives need to sit out the election and put Hillary in office because they are still bitter "their guy" lost.
I could understand the constant Trump bashing if we were thick in the primary still, but not now.
If you can't vote for Trump over Hillary Clinton, just move on with your life instead of this constant campaign.
Posted by: #NeverHillary
This I don't understand.
The amount of people here and other bloggers trying to make the case why conservatives need to sit out the election and put Hillary in office because they are still bitter "their guy" lost.
I could understand the constant Trump bashing if we were thick in the primary still, but not now.
If you can't vote for Trump over Hillary Clinton, just move on with your life instead of this constant campaign.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (U2pFT)
415
>>>And I'll note per that FDRLST piece this AM that seems to be the Libertarian game - they're not in it to win, or anything like that, but just to get enough votes by pimping Democrat policies and sucking off Democrat-leaners that they qualify for Federal major-party money in future elections.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (o+SC1)>>>
It is certainly amusing to watch so-called libertarians pitching big government values to Democrats in an attempt to gain government largess. The layers of irony are unbeatable.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (o+SC1)>>>
It is certainly amusing to watch so-called libertarians pitching big government values to Democrats in an attempt to gain government largess. The layers of irony are unbeatable.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (4ueYo)
416
Got Rush on the old 5-tube AM radio in the background and I just heard an ad for FN firearms, invoking among other things the spirit of John Browning .... is that awesome or what ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2016 02:27 PM (Z8DIA)
417
I see no evidence of intent
Posted by: James Comey at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (lKyWE)
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Fortune magazine, article "Here Is Who Donald Trump Wants For Treasury Secretary"
He's been telling donors. And, as I said, the guy (Steve Mnuchin) already has a prominent post in the campaign.
Posted by: James Comey at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (lKyWE)
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Fortune magazine, article "Here Is Who Donald Trump Wants For Treasury Secretary"
He's been telling donors. And, as I said, the guy (Steve Mnuchin) already has a prominent post in the campaign.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:28 PM (mFkVC)
418
You support the paid trolls Donna? I'm surprised.
Even if you support their candidate I wish you wouldn't support the astroturfing. Paid trolls are just trolls, and their whole mission is simply to be the loudest voice in the room. That makes the whole discussion pointless.
It's David Axelrod's strategy, pure and simple. Totally fake. I hope you'll object to the paid trolls, even when they support your candidate.
Even if you support their candidate I wish you wouldn't support the astroturfing. Paid trolls are just trolls, and their whole mission is simply to be the loudest voice in the room. That makes the whole discussion pointless.
It's David Axelrod's strategy, pure and simple. Totally fake. I hope you'll object to the paid trolls, even when they support your candidate.
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:28 PM (/m8T6)
419
I used to think Romney was a good man until he went off the rails regarding Trump.
He doesn't have to support him, but he could at least have the class to keep his mouth shut after the fact and NOT try and run a 3rd party candidate to elect Hilary.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (U2pFT)
******
I can't disagree with you there. He really showed his pettiness with his NeverTrump BS. I meant how I felt about him in the last election. He has since shown himself to be a total asshole. The guy took money from Trump when he was running and said glowing things about him and then trashes him. Nice guy.
He doesn't have to support him, but he could at least have the class to keep his mouth shut after the fact and NOT try and run a 3rd party candidate to elect Hilary.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (U2pFT)
******
I can't disagree with you there. He really showed his pettiness with his NeverTrump BS. I meant how I felt about him in the last election. He has since shown himself to be a total asshole. The guy took money from Trump when he was running and said glowing things about him and then trashes him. Nice guy.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:28 PM (6IPEM)
420
Probably a little late on this, but Latest LA Times poll has Trump back in the lead.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:28 PM (U2pFT)
421
Trump's intends to make a Goldman Sachs banker (who
currently serves as his national finance chairman) Treasury Secretary.
You got duped real hard.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (mFkVC)
I see no evidence of intent
Posted by: James Comey at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (lKyWE)
LOL... ISWYDT
currently serves as his national finance chairman) Treasury Secretary.
You got duped real hard.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (mFkVC)
I see no evidence of intent
Posted by: James Comey at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (lKyWE)
LOL... ISWYDT
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:29 PM (3JA/M)
422
Ahhh.. so now that you have stuck us with this asshole as our candidate, now we have to STFU and like it no matter what he does?? because.. because.. HILLARY!
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If you didn't vote for Romney for the same exact reasons you might have a point. If not then yes, STFU already.
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If you didn't vote for Romney for the same exact reasons you might have a point. If not then yes, STFU already.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:29 PM (qZfxn)
423
"What is your goal or purpose"
Oh, here we go. The tried and true Trumpian tactic.
How about people are just making conversation and venting?
Oh, here we go. The tried and true Trumpian tactic.
How about people are just making conversation and venting?
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:29 PM (UBBWX)
424
Cruz backed off of TPA and never supported TPP so you can stop repeating that lie.
Posted by: redbanzai
when Cruz first supported granting the president the key authority to finalize the TPP, he spoke positively about the concept of the trade deal. He described how it could bring millions of customers to American business owners.
When the treaty moved from being a concept to actual text, Cruz opposed it. His statement glosses over his initial backing of the idea of the trade treaty.
http://tinyurl.com/grd2s5z
"Never".
Cruz backed off of TPA and never supported TPP so you can stop repeating that lie.
Posted by: redbanzai
when Cruz first supported granting the president the key authority to finalize the TPP, he spoke positively about the concept of the trade deal. He described how it could bring millions of customers to American business owners.
When the treaty moved from being a concept to actual text, Cruz opposed it. His statement glosses over his initial backing of the idea of the trade treaty.
http://tinyurl.com/grd2s5z
"Never".
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (kdS6q)
425
In what Universe did criticism/mockery of Romney cease after his nomination? People bitching about the nominee is part and parcel of this place, except when it comes to Trump. When it's Trump, all who mention his deficits are half-assed "secret agents" trying to get Hillary elected.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (2cS/G)
426
418 You support the paid trolls Donna? I'm surprised.
Even if you support their candidate I wish you wouldn't support the astroturfing. Paid trolls are just trolls, and their whole mission is simply to be the loudest voice in the room. That makes the whole discussion pointless.
It's David Axelrod's strategy, pure and simple. Totally fake. I hope you'll object to the paid trolls, even when they support your candidate.
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:28 PM (/m8T6)
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At some point, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a "paid troll" just becomes an admission that you can't make a coherent argument.
Even if you support their candidate I wish you wouldn't support the astroturfing. Paid trolls are just trolls, and their whole mission is simply to be the loudest voice in the room. That makes the whole discussion pointless.
It's David Axelrod's strategy, pure and simple. Totally fake. I hope you'll object to the paid trolls, even when they support your candidate.
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:28 PM (/m8T6)
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At some point, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a "paid troll" just becomes an admission that you can't make a coherent argument.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (mFkVC)
427
>>396 I know its genetically impossible for Trump to shut up, but he
didn't have to say anything once he had the nomination, just run hillary
is corrupt commercials. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (ODxAs)
You front-loaded the money-shot. Rookie move; everyone does it that way, it's old, it's not hip.
You're supposed to state that Trump should've [insert clearly obvious political-judo-move here], and *then* haymaker with the insult.
You are awarded no style points.
didn't have to say anything once he had the nomination, just run hillary
is corrupt commercials. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2016 02:24 PM (ODxAs)
You front-loaded the money-shot. Rookie move; everyone does it that way, it's old, it's not hip.
You're supposed to state that Trump should've [insert clearly obvious political-judo-move here], and *then* haymaker with the insult.
You are awarded no style points.
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (Bdeb0)
428
Rush was quoting some HuffPo piece about Trump winning, and it's over. It's been over. The piece about celebrity winning world now.
All I can say is, Hollywood built that.
Rush was quoting some HuffPo piece about Trump winning, and it's over. It's been over. The piece about celebrity winning world now.
All I can say is, Hollywood built that.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (qCMvj)
429
>>>>> the Trump-bots to come out with "Reversal? What reversal??" fucking idiots..
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You're right, what was I thinking, I'll go vote for Hillary now since she's more likely to secure the border. /s
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
.
.
.
.It really is unbelievable. Trump is doing exactly what he needs to be doing at this point. Right now he is getting more hispanic and black votes than Romney got. Which means he is taking those votes away from hillary, votes that she desperately needs. That's why she pulled out the KKK racist attack stuff.
If any sane person thought that Trump was going to single handily close the borders and get the Federal Government to actually deport 10-20 million illegals, I have a very nice bridge to sell you. There is no way that was ever going to happen no matter what anyone said or thought.
*********************
You're right, what was I thinking, I'll go vote for Hillary now since she's more likely to secure the border. /s
Amazing how so many nevertrumpers still think we're in the primaries.
.
.
.
.It really is unbelievable. Trump is doing exactly what he needs to be doing at this point. Right now he is getting more hispanic and black votes than Romney got. Which means he is taking those votes away from hillary, votes that she desperately needs. That's why she pulled out the KKK racist attack stuff.
If any sane person thought that Trump was going to single handily close the borders and get the Federal Government to actually deport 10-20 million illegals, I have a very nice bridge to sell you. There is no way that was ever going to happen no matter what anyone said or thought.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (iONHu)
430
LOL... ISWYDT
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:29 PM (3JA/M)
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Argh... I didn't, and now I look kinda stupid(er)
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:29 PM (3JA/M)
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Argh... I didn't, and now I look kinda stupid(er)
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (mFkVC)
431
It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections.."
The battle cry of those you never want to find yourself in a foxhole with.
It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections.."
The battle cry of those you never want to find yourself in a foxhole with.
Posted by: James Comey at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: K. Noonian Singh at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (u0s1P)
433
Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (so+oy)
======================
Lord, I hope you aren't right on the election call (though it sure does look that way right now, I admit).
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 26, 2016 02:23 PM (so+oy)
======================
Lord, I hope you aren't right on the election call (though it sure does look that way right now, I admit).
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (/m8T6)
434
It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the media.. rigged elections..
And if he wins, you NeverTrumpers will snort about how he doesn't have a mandate, and anyway, he's going to flip-flop on all his promises.
And if he wins, you NeverTrumpers will snort about how he doesn't have a mandate, and anyway, he's going to flip-flop on all his promises.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (X6fMO)
435
Name one poster driven off.
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Maetenloch
Posted by: Chi
Not 'driven' off. Retired after many years of thankless service. Do you think it's fun to police threads and separate the trolls, the mobys, the concerned -- night after night?
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Maetenloch
Posted by: Chi
Not 'driven' off. Retired after many years of thankless service. Do you think it's fun to police threads and separate the trolls, the mobys, the concerned -- night after night?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:32 PM (ZFUt7)
Posted by: Nevertrump trolls at August 26, 2016 02:32 PM (PL2OL)
437
Right now he is getting more hispanic and black votes than Romney got.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (iONHu)
In which polls?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (iONHu)
In which polls?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:32 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (ODxAs)
439
>>>When it's Trump, all who mention his deficits are half-assed "secret agents" trying to get Hillary elected.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (2cS/G)>>>
Politics is getting to be a religion. When I supported Cruz in the primary and lambasted him for supporting TPA/TPP and cozying up to Beck, I got attacked by Cruz supporters. It's getting to the point if you don't idolize you candidate, you're the enemy. I'm sorry, I'm never going to idolize another human being. Especially not a politician.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (2cS/G)>>>
Politics is getting to be a religion. When I supported Cruz in the primary and lambasted him for supporting TPA/TPP and cozying up to Beck, I got attacked by Cruz supporters. It's getting to the point if you don't idolize you candidate, you're the enemy. I'm sorry, I'm never going to idolize another human being. Especially not a politician.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (4ueYo)
440
This is from a law firm specializing in these types of immigration issue. Right now we have an I9 form for eligibility requirements:
"The I-9 does not require a social security number (indeed, requiring a potential employee to produce a social security card for I-9 purposes is a substantive violation and could result in significant fines). By contrast, E-Verify requires a social security number."
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (U2pFT)
We went through this all last week. Yes, the I9 form requires a social security number. No, it does not require a social security card, but it does require photo ID to prove identity and another form of ID to prove eligibility to work in the US.
This is from a law firm specializing in these types of immigration issue. Right now we have an I9 form for eligibility requirements:
"The I-9 does not require a social security number (indeed, requiring a potential employee to produce a social security card for I-9 purposes is a substantive violation and could result in significant fines). By contrast, E-Verify requires a social security number."
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:21 PM (U2pFT)
We went through this all last week. Yes, the I9 form requires a social security number. No, it does not require a social security card, but it does require photo ID to prove identity and another form of ID to prove eligibility to work in the US.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (nFdGS)
441
Ahhh.. so now that you have stuck us with this asshole as our candidate,
now we have to STFU and like it no matter what he does because.. because.. HILLARY!
Been doing that since '88. Welcome to the big leagues.
now we have to STFU and like it no matter what he does because.. because.. HILLARY!
Been doing that since '88. Welcome to the big leagues.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (Cd8NC)
442
Doing well enough, I guess , banzai. How about youself? And the family?
Not working for a few days, so I should be outside mowing the lawn. But I'm in here talking to myself on the blog, watching Bonanza and drinking beer...
Not working for a few days, so I should be outside mowing the lawn. But I'm in here talking to myself on the blog, watching Bonanza and drinking beer...
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (yrZFq)
443
Willow of willowed fame. Me most of the time now.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:25 PM (3JA/M)
*****
She is still here. She was posting a lot yesterday. And Maetenloch still has the banhammer and showed it off on an ONT recently and still is the Boss of the yahoo group. Other cobs still post in comments, rdbrewer, Andy put up a post today, lauraw was on the medical monitoring thread, CAC showed up somewhere. I imagine a lot of them are just burn out.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:25 PM (3JA/M)
*****
She is still here. She was posting a lot yesterday. And Maetenloch still has the banhammer and showed it off on an ONT recently and still is the Boss of the yahoo group. Other cobs still post in comments, rdbrewer, Andy put up a post today, lauraw was on the medical monitoring thread, CAC showed up somewhere. I imagine a lot of them are just burn out.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:34 PM (6IPEM)
444
I agree, gm. And it's boring as hell.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2016 02:34 PM (2cS/G)
445
At some point, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a "paid troll" just becomes an admission that you can't make a coherent argument.
=======================
Me? About what issue?
=======================
Me? About what issue?
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:34 PM (/m8T6)
446
I could understand the constant Trump bashing if we were thick in the primary still, but not now.
******************************
What I really don't understand is how people who voted for Romney or McCain have suddenly decided this is the time to sit out an election out of principle, especially with supreme court nominations at stake.
I can't see anyone being more credible than Trump, including McCain and Romney to secure the border except for Sessions, who isn't running.
******************************
What I really don't understand is how people who voted for Romney or McCain have suddenly decided this is the time to sit out an election out of principle, especially with supreme court nominations at stake.
I can't see anyone being more credible than Trump, including McCain and Romney to secure the border except for Sessions, who isn't running.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:34 PM (qZfxn)
447
>>>>>It's a stupid question. Trump has already lost. Trump-bots won't
admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the
media.. rigged elections..
And if he wins, you NeverTrumpers will snort about how he doesn't
have a mandate, and anyway, he's going to flip-flop on all his promises.
.
.
.
.That's a given on either side as it appears the winner will not get 50% of the vote with the spoilers out there. hillary doesn't care and I suspect that the msm won't push that meme if she wins, but they will broadcast it 24/7 for 4 or 8 years if Trump wins. just like they did with obama and the ~2% "mandate" in 2012.
admit it until Nov 9th.. then they'll blame the rest of us... the
media.. rigged elections..
And if he wins, you NeverTrumpers will snort about how he doesn't
have a mandate, and anyway, he's going to flip-flop on all his promises.
.
.
.
.That's a given on either side as it appears the winner will not get 50% of the vote with the spoilers out there. hillary doesn't care and I suspect that the msm won't push that meme if she wins, but they will broadcast it 24/7 for 4 or 8 years if Trump wins. just like they did with obama and the ~2% "mandate" in 2012.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 26, 2016 02:35 PM (iONHu)
448
It's getting to the point if you don't idolize you
candidate, you're the enemy. I'm sorry, I'm never going to idolize
another human being. Especially not a politician.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (4ueYo)
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Amen. I'll vote for him but don't expect me to throw him a parade.
candidate, you're the enemy. I'm sorry, I'm never going to idolize
another human being. Especially not a politician.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (4ueYo)
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Amen. I'll vote for him but don't expect me to throw him a parade.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:35 PM (dFi94)
449
"Trump is currently tied or ahead in Florida and tied in Ohio."
He now has a slight lead in the LA Times poll, the one that keeps polling the same people.
The Q poll that now shows Trump down 10% doesn't show their turnout assumptions among Ds, Rs and Is, from what I saw. I assume this is on purpose.
It does show Trump with 15% of the black vote -- Romney got 7%. A recent Florida poll had Trump with 20% of the black vote. I'd expect this relative gain to be part of a lack of enthusiasm for the White Witch which will also result in much lower turnout than what Obama got.
If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, and only 57% show up (which was 2012 white non-college turnout), holding everything else constant, Trump gets 49.0% of the vote to Hillary's 49.2% and has 266 electoral votes to Hillary's 272.
He now has a slight lead in the LA Times poll, the one that keeps polling the same people.
The Q poll that now shows Trump down 10% doesn't show their turnout assumptions among Ds, Rs and Is, from what I saw. I assume this is on purpose.
It does show Trump with 15% of the black vote -- Romney got 7%. A recent Florida poll had Trump with 20% of the black vote. I'd expect this relative gain to be part of a lack of enthusiasm for the White Witch which will also result in much lower turnout than what Obama got.
If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, and only 57% show up (which was 2012 white non-college turnout), holding everything else constant, Trump gets 49.0% of the vote to Hillary's 49.2% and has 266 electoral votes to Hillary's 272.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:35 PM (r1fLd)
450
377 This is an honest question, and I hope I'm not poking a sore spot, but... what happened to the cobloggers?
Ah ated dem.
Ah ated dem.
Posted by: The Barrel at August 26, 2016 02:35 PM (u0s1P)
451
435 Name one poster driven off.
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Maetenloch
Posted by: Chi
Not 'driven' off. Retired after many years of thankless service. Do you think it's fun to police threads and separate the trolls, the mobys, the concerned -- night after night?
For eight years.
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Maetenloch
Posted by: Chi
Not 'driven' off. Retired after many years of thankless service. Do you think it's fun to police threads and separate the trolls, the mobys, the concerned -- night after night?
For eight years.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:35 PM (Cd8NC)
452
>>>And if he wins, you NeverTrumpers will snort about how . . . he's going to flip-flop on all his promises.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (X6fMO)>>>
Well, hopefully he'll prove them wrong, rather than right, right? At that point the proof will be in the pudding.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 02:31 PM (X6fMO)>>>
Well, hopefully he'll prove them wrong, rather than right, right? At that point the proof will be in the pudding.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:35 PM (4ueYo)
453
ACE! COBS! Please do not close up shop as alluded to upthread. And sock off.
Posted by: OK, Thanks, sock now off! at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (ucB75)
454
Let's put it this way, if you are one of the people that thought and continually espoused that Trump would never be the Republican nominee, then your predictive powers suck and you should be allowed to prognosticate.
Whereas, Trump supporters knew he would win the nomination but also know he will win the election in November in a landslide against the Crooked Hillary.
Whereas, Trump supporters knew he would win the nomination but also know he will win the election in November in a landslide against the Crooked Hillary.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (OUjkK)
455
"What is your goal or purpose"
Oh, here we go. The tried and true Trumpian tactic.
How about people are just making conversation and venting?"
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If that made sense given the commenting you would have said something worthwhile.
Unfortunately neither of the above just happened.
I think the commenter who invoked "spite" told the only truth heard from the anti-side today.
Oh, here we go. The tried and true Trumpian tactic.
How about people are just making conversation and venting?"
---------------------------
If that made sense given the commenting you would have said something worthwhile.
Unfortunately neither of the above just happened.
I think the commenter who invoked "spite" told the only truth heard from the anti-side today.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (3myMJ)
456
Oh, here we go. The tried and true Trumpian tactic.
How about people are just making conversation and venting?
Posted by: sexypig
Why can't you just be honest that you want conservatives to abandon Trump?
What other goal could you possibly have?
I didn't want Trump as the nominee (still don't) but I have zero problem with supporting a flawed conservative over Hillary.
Just have the courage to answer honestly, who are you voting for President?
How about people are just making conversation and venting?
Posted by: sexypig
Why can't you just be honest that you want conservatives to abandon Trump?
What other goal could you possibly have?
I didn't want Trump as the nominee (still don't) but I have zero problem with supporting a flawed conservative over Hillary.
Just have the courage to answer honestly, who are you voting for President?
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (U2pFT)
457
when Cruz first supported granting the president the
key authority to finalize the TPP, he spoke positively about the
concept of the trade deal. He described how it could bring millions of
customers to American business owners.
When the treaty moved from
being a concept to actual text, Cruz opposed it. His statement glosses
over his initial backing of the idea of the trade treaty.
http://tinyurl.com/grd2s5z
"Never".
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (kdS6q)
First, You are misquoting Politifacts. They said he took no position on TPP until it was "finalized" and opposed it thereafter. Second, supporting free trade in general or even TPA authority for the President is not the same as supporting a specific trade deal. Again I repeat Cruz NEVER supported TPP.
key authority to finalize the TPP, he spoke positively about the
concept of the trade deal. He described how it could bring millions of
customers to American business owners.
When the treaty moved from
being a concept to actual text, Cruz opposed it. His statement glosses
over his initial backing of the idea of the trade treaty.
http://tinyurl.com/grd2s5z
"Never".
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM (kdS6q)
First, You are misquoting Politifacts. They said he took no position on TPP until it was "finalized" and opposed it thereafter. Second, supporting free trade in general or even TPA authority for the President is not the same as supporting a specific trade deal. Again I repeat Cruz NEVER supported TPP.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (3JA/M)
458
Hooray! Norton DNS no longer thinks that tinyurl.com is a malicious site.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 02:37 PM (yn2Me)
459
At some point, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of beinga "paid troll"
alt-right]/b] just becomes an admission that you can't make a coherent argument.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM
FIFY
At some point, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being
alt-right]/b] just becomes an admission that you can't make a coherent argument.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:30 PM
FIFY
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:37 PM (IqV8l)
460
I want to know what the point of bashing Trump at this stage is now. All it does is help get Hillary elected.
So why not be honest and say all this nevertrumping hatred and bullshit is really about helping Hillary win? Because that's the only goal it would accomplish and serve.
#NeverTrump = #ReadyForHillary
So why not be honest and say all this nevertrumping hatred and bullshit is really about helping Hillary win? Because that's the only goal it would accomplish and serve.
#NeverTrump = #ReadyForHillary
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:37 PM (qZfxn)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:37 PM (IqV8l)
462
Just have the courage to answer honestly, who are you voting for President?
Posted by: Maritime
He's going to write in "SexyPig"
Posted by: Maritime
He's going to write in "SexyPig"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2016 02:38 PM (V3IFq)
463
Winona,
zoals we toen lagen
arm in armen
en zo steeds maar lagen
de zon achter ons
en voor ons liet
lieten we de wind
in de haren, de wilde haren
och ik hield van je
samen in één bed
samen op het strand
samen op de trampoline
alles in alles samen
en zo steeds maar lagen
ach ik hou van je
dag na dag
en alle dagen
vooral vandaag
en steeds
zoveel vandaag.
:::jazz plays softly in background:::
zoals we toen lagen
arm in armen
en zo steeds maar lagen
de zon achter ons
en voor ons liet
lieten we de wind
in de haren, de wilde haren
och ik hield van je
samen in één bed
samen op het strand
samen op de trampoline
alles in alles samen
en zo steeds maar lagen
ach ik hou van je
dag na dag
en alle dagen
vooral vandaag
en steeds
zoveel vandaag.
:::jazz plays softly in background:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:38 PM (MK9cc)
464
Let's put it this way, if you are one of the people that thought and
continually espoused that Trump would never be the Republican nominee,
then your predictive powers suck and you should[n't] be allowed to
prognosticate.
==========================================
Oh good. Speech police on a political blog. For the love of pete.
continually espoused that Trump would never be the Republican nominee,
then your predictive powers suck and you should[n't] be allowed to
prognosticate.
==========================================
Oh good. Speech police on a political blog. For the love of pete.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:39 PM (dFi94)
465
Probably a little late on this, but Latest LA Times poll has Trump back in the lead.
Posted by: Maritime
There's another 'rolling poll' like that one that shows Trump moving up by four, while Hillary dropped by three point something. In ONE week.
Which might explain the trolling, the mobying, the 'concern' so evident in this thread.
She's hemorrhaging support.
Posted by: Maritime
There's another 'rolling poll' like that one that shows Trump moving up by four, while Hillary dropped by three point something. In ONE week.
Which might explain the trolling, the mobying, the 'concern' so evident in this thread.
She's hemorrhaging support.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:39 PM (ZFUt7)
466
FIFY
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:37 PM (IqV8l)
Neat.
Who have I accused of being alt-right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:37 PM (IqV8l)
Neat.
Who have I accused of being alt-right?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:39 PM (mFkVC)
467
Chi, Maet's departure may have been a bit more complicated than you imply.
He banned primary politics from the ONT, pretty clearly only because Trump. Do you think he would have instituted such an odd ban if Trump were in 3rd or 4th place during the primaries? Pure speculation, but if there were an equal level of rancor, except Cruz heading toward the nomination, I doubt we'd have seen any special limitations on the ONT.
Amusingly, in a dark way, in either the last or second to last ONT, he "defended" an ONT (and sometime day-walking) regular who has morphed into a very tedious and uninteresting annoyance by responding to a complain about him with "just skip his comments". This, after welcoming the guy in question back, and even saying he'd gladly trade several commenters for the briefly self-exiled commenter.
Sorry for the complex obscure construction there, but I absolutely avoid inter-commenter drama and vitriol, as I find it boring and pointless. Thus don't want to use names.
He banned primary politics from the ONT, pretty clearly only because Trump. Do you think he would have instituted such an odd ban if Trump were in 3rd or 4th place during the primaries? Pure speculation, but if there were an equal level of rancor, except Cruz heading toward the nomination, I doubt we'd have seen any special limitations on the ONT.
Amusingly, in a dark way, in either the last or second to last ONT, he "defended" an ONT (and sometime day-walking) regular who has morphed into a very tedious and uninteresting annoyance by responding to a complain about him with "just skip his comments". This, after welcoming the guy in question back, and even saying he'd gladly trade several commenters for the briefly self-exiled commenter.
Sorry for the complex obscure construction there, but I absolutely avoid inter-commenter drama and vitriol, as I find it boring and pointless. Thus don't want to use names.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 02:39 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:39 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 26, 2016 02:40 PM (LdMbv)
470
>>>Second, supporting free trade in general or even TPA authority for the President is not the same as supporting a specific trade deal. Again I repeat Cruz NEVER supported TPP.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (3JA/M)>>>
Functionally, supporting TPA was supporting TPP. Political gamesmanship notwithstanding.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (3JA/M)>>>
Functionally, supporting TPA was supporting TPP. Political gamesmanship notwithstanding.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:40 PM (4ueYo)
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:40 PM (Fmupd)
472
If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, and only 57% show up (which was 2012 white non-college turnout), holding everything else constant, Trump gets 49.0% of the vote to Hillary's 49.2% and has 266 electoral votes to Hillary's 272.
*****************************
Which is why the #nevertrumpers want a landslide for Hillary, A razor close defeat would mean they were directly responsible for Trump's loss and that is definitely not something they want to own.
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Which is why the #nevertrumpers want a landslide for Hillary, A razor close defeat would mean they were directly responsible for Trump's loss and that is definitely not something they want to own.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 02:40 PM (qZfxn)
Posted by: jill stein at August 26, 2016 02:41 PM (LdMbv)
474
>>>>The Q poll that now shows Trump down 10% doesn't show their turnout
assumptions among Ds, Rs and Is, from what I saw. I assume this is on
purpose.
.
.
.
.Any poll that does not publish how it was conducted and what samples and weighting was used is suspect.
I saw one today that had Trump and hillary tied in Georgia and used a term I had never seen before; "based on internal projections", that was a new one on me.
assumptions among Ds, Rs and Is, from what I saw. I assume this is on
purpose.
.
.
.
.Any poll that does not publish how it was conducted and what samples and weighting was used is suspect.
I saw one today that had Trump and hillary tied in Georgia and used a term I had never seen before; "based on internal projections", that was a new one on me.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (iONHu)
475
The two responses regarding the Trump-hate are right in line with what I expected.
Deflection, and spite.
I'm satisfied and my work here is done.
Deflection, and spite.
I'm satisfied and my work here is done.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Hope Solo at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (8iiMU)
477
>>>(Johnson is just a dem distraction)
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:40 PM (Fmupd)>>>
I talk to Republicans considering Johnson. I don't get it. He's worse than Clinton.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:40 PM (Fmupd)>>>
I talk to Republicans considering Johnson. I don't get it. He's worse than Clinton.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (4ueYo)
478
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:38 PM (MK9cc)
***
Goddamned Duthcmen.... there's nothign they can't ruin.
Winona is half-Jewish, half-AmerInd.
I grew up a jewbilly, collecting potsherds and projectile points.
She's mine, Hans.....
***
Goddamned Duthcmen.... there's nothign they can't ruin.
Winona is half-Jewish, half-AmerInd.
I grew up a jewbilly, collecting potsherds and projectile points.
She's mine, Hans.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (lutOX)
479
Oh God, not this herp-derp again...
Posted by: Brother Cavil at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (V1M8q)
480
"Oh good. Speech police on a political blog. For the love of pete."
Yeah, that's what I was saying./sarc.
Glad you called me out on it./sarc.
Yeah, that's what I was saying./sarc.
Glad you called me out on it./sarc.
Posted by: #NeverHillary2 at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (OUjkK)
481
475 The two responses regarding the Trump-hate are right in line with what I expected.
Deflection, and spite.
I'm satisfied and my work here is done.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (3myMJ)
-----------------
You aren't entitled to demand people justify their presence here.
People are here because they want to be here.
Deflection, and spite.
I'm satisfied and my work here is done.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (3myMJ)
-----------------
You aren't entitled to demand people justify their presence here.
People are here because they want to be here.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (mFkVC)
482
So here's the survey, and once you've put your stake in the ground there's not much sense in trying to sell others:
A - I support Trump's policies, I expect him to execute on them, and will vote for him on that basis.
B - I will vote for Trump because however untrustworthy or wrongheaded he may be matters less than keeping Hillary out of the White House.
C - I loathe Hillary but I cannot vote for Trump either and will vote for Gary Johnson, write in SMOD, or just stay home, drink Valu-Rite, and play with myself on Election Day and accept whatever happens.
D - I hate Trump more than I dislike/mistrust Hillary and will vote for her to keep Trump's hands off the football.
E - I believe it's time for another Historic First and believe Hillary will be a wonderful President and will vote for her enthusiastically.
F - I've developed a strange new respect for Gary Johnson since he started coming out in favor of carbon taxes and religious-suppression laws that real Libertarians usually oppose.
G - SMOD 2016 and only SMOD 2016.
A - I support Trump's policies, I expect him to execute on them, and will vote for him on that basis.
B - I will vote for Trump because however untrustworthy or wrongheaded he may be matters less than keeping Hillary out of the White House.
C - I loathe Hillary but I cannot vote for Trump either and will vote for Gary Johnson, write in SMOD, or just stay home, drink Valu-Rite, and play with myself on Election Day and accept whatever happens.
D - I hate Trump more than I dislike/mistrust Hillary and will vote for her to keep Trump's hands off the football.
E - I believe it's time for another Historic First and believe Hillary will be a wonderful President and will vote for her enthusiastically.
F - I've developed a strange new respect for Gary Johnson since he started coming out in favor of carbon taxes and religious-suppression laws that real Libertarians usually oppose.
G - SMOD 2016 and only SMOD 2016.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (o+SC1)
483
For eight years.
Posted by: rickb223
Wow. Never knew it was that long. I only strayed in once in a while. Seemed there was some perpetual battle at the end between some 'Ira' and Cthulu(sp?) that seemed to go on for hours on end the past six months.
Also, not fan of Yoko.
Posted by: rickb223
Wow. Never knew it was that long. I only strayed in once in a while. Seemed there was some perpetual battle at the end between some 'Ira' and Cthulu(sp?) that seemed to go on for hours on end the past six months.
Also, not fan of Yoko.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (ZFUt7)
484
>>>Which is why the #nevertrumpers want a landslide for Hillary, A razor close defeat would mean they were directly responsible for Trump's loss and that is definitely not something they want to own.
I don't know. Everyone is fractured. I think there are the Let it Burn NeverTrumpers, and the Conservative Class NeverTrumpers and a whole host of others.
They are all likely to have differing motives and opinions.
I don't know. Everyone is fractured. I think there are the Let it Burn NeverTrumpers, and the Conservative Class NeverTrumpers and a whole host of others.
They are all likely to have differing motives and opinions.
Posted by: Max Power at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (q177U)
485
Listened to NPR for a few minutes during Rush commercial. They had a segment complaining about the Chicago university which declined to offer safe spaces.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (IqV8l)
486
457 Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:36 PM (3JA/M)
============================
To me, your argument looks disingenuous. Most here are aware Cruz supported TPA, and obviously that was where the real issue was litigated in the Senate. His later position seemed at the time to be immaterial to fighting the treaty.
I say this, by the way, as a Cruz voter. In my opinion he changed his support of the treaty to a no vote only when he saw the political winds had changed in the primary. And this isn't a sin, IMO; I don't mind politicians trying to better represent their voters.
============================
To me, your argument looks disingenuous. Most here are aware Cruz supported TPA, and obviously that was where the real issue was litigated in the Senate. His later position seemed at the time to be immaterial to fighting the treaty.
I say this, by the way, as a Cruz voter. In my opinion he changed his support of the treaty to a no vote only when he saw the political winds had changed in the primary. And this isn't a sin, IMO; I don't mind politicians trying to better represent their voters.
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (/m8T6)
487
>>People are here because they want to be here. Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (mFkVC)
...or because they're here/not here.
...or because they're here/not here.
Posted by: Schroedinger's Zod at August 26, 2016 02:45 PM (Bdeb0)
488
Also, not fan of Yoko.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (ZFUt7)
========================================
You either, huh? Gah- that woman
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (ZFUt7)
========================================
You either, huh? Gah- that woman
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:45 PM (dFi94)
489
Second, supporting free trade in general or even TPA authority for the President is not the same as supporting a specific trade deal. Again I repeat Cruz NEVER supported TPP.
Posted by: redbanzai
Functionally, supporting TPA was supporting TPP. Political gamesmanship notwithstanding.
Posted by: gm
One could have mentioned that "in an April 21, 2015, op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, Cruz and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) urged Congress to pass Trade promotion authority (TPA), which they argued would hold the president accountable in future trade agreements, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal."
Directly relating the two.
http://tinyurl.com/zbw52mb
Second, supporting free trade in general or even TPA authority for the President is not the same as supporting a specific trade deal. Again I repeat Cruz NEVER supported TPP.
Posted by: redbanzai
Functionally, supporting TPA was supporting TPP. Political gamesmanship notwithstanding.
Posted by: gm
One could have mentioned that "in an April 21, 2015, op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, Cruz and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) urged Congress to pass Trade promotion authority (TPA), which they argued would hold the president accountable in future trade agreements, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal."
Directly relating the two.
http://tinyurl.com/zbw52mb
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (kdS6q)
490
Doing well enough, I guess , banzai. How about youself? And the family?
Not working for a few days, so I should be outside mowing the lawn.
But I'm in here talking to myself on the blog, watching Bonanza and
drinking beer...
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (yrZFq)
We are good... the boy's jaw has healed and he is doing well at the restaurant (his newest recipe that I have gotten the benefit from is a grilled shrimp and peach salad with green goddess dressing.... so yummy).
Teenage daughter is doing well too although she has atrocious taste in boyfriends right now. I am hoping maturity helps with that.
Not working for a few days, so I should be outside mowing the lawn.
But I'm in here talking to myself on the blog, watching Bonanza and
drinking beer...
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:33 PM (yrZFq)
We are good... the boy's jaw has healed and he is doing well at the restaurant (his newest recipe that I have gotten the benefit from is a grilled shrimp and peach salad with green goddess dressing.... so yummy).
Teenage daughter is doing well too although she has atrocious taste in boyfriends right now. I am hoping maturity helps with that.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (3JA/M)
491
I'm not entirely convinced that Trump has actually reversed himself on immigration, only that trial balloons are being floated to see how it goes over.
However, I never believed him on immigration, not ever. He's the kind of guy in a position that benefits greatly from illegals, so he's not likely to kill the golden goose.
However, I never believed him on immigration, not ever. He's the kind of guy in a position that benefits greatly from illegals, so he's not likely to kill the golden goose.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (NOIQH)
493
B, with a side of A, and a smattering of G.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (V1M8q)
494
Teenage daughter is doing well too although she has atrocious taste in boyfriends right now.
In her defense, look at teenage boys, there's not much to pick from
In her defense, look at teenage boys, there's not much to pick from
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (39g3+)
495
G - SMOD 2016 and only SMOD 2016.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (o+SC1)
I am exactly between A and B.Definitely B (re:Shrills), and partly A.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (o+SC1)
I am exactly between A and B.Definitely B (re:Shrills), and partly A.
Posted by: Ian Galt at August 26, 2016 02:47 PM (8iiMU)
496
Rhomboid,
I'm smellin' what you're steppin' in.
Maet doesn't need me to say a word, about it, so I won't.
But me? I got tired of the circular firing squad feces throwing monkey bullshit around here long ago. The level of debate is, well...
Many people have left, and barely visit anymore.
I'm smellin' what you're steppin' in.
Maet doesn't need me to say a word, about it, so I won't.
But me? I got tired of the circular firing squad feces throwing monkey bullshit around here long ago. The level of debate is, well...
Many people have left, and barely visit anymore.
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:47 PM (yrZFq)
497
>>485
Listened to NPR for a few minutes during Rush commercial. They had a
segment complaining about the Chicago university which declined to offer
safe spaces. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (IqV8l)
Hard to believe that a public university would feel it needed to make clear that "privileging ignorance" isn't in its educational mandate. Sad.
Listened to NPR for a few minutes during Rush commercial. They had a
segment complaining about the Chicago university which declined to offer
safe spaces. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 02:44 PM (IqV8l)
Hard to believe that a public university would feel it needed to make clear that "privileging ignorance" isn't in its educational mandate. Sad.
Posted by: Schroedinger's Zod at August 26, 2016 02:47 PM (Bdeb0)
498
The burning time are a coming. It does not matter who wins. I'm voting Hair Weasle as I think that gives us a little more prep time.
Posted by: Drill at August 26, 2016 02:47 PM (E1NNj)
499
Jerry: Excuse me I'd like to return this jacket.
Teller: Certainly. May I ask why?
Jerry: For spite...
Teller: Spite?
Jerry: That's right. I don't care for the salesman that sold it to me.
Teller: I don't think you can return an item for spite.
Jerry: What do you mean?
Teller: Well if there was some problem with the garment. If it were unsatisfactory in some way, then we could do it for you, but I'm afraid spite doesn't fit into any of our conditions for a refund.
Jerry: That's ridiculous, I want to return it. Whats the difference what the reason is?
Teller: Let me speak with the manager... excuse me... Bob!
(walks over to the manager and whispers)
Teller ...spite... (Manager walks over)
Bob: What seems to be the problem?
Jerry : Well I want to return this jacket and she asked me why and I said for spite and now she won't take it back.
Bob: That's true. You can't return an item based purely on spite.
Jerry:. Well So fine then ...then I don't want it and then that's why I'm returning it.
Bob: Well you already said spite so....
Jerry: But I changed my mind.
Bob: No, you said spite. Too late.
Teller: Certainly. May I ask why?
Jerry: For spite...
Teller: Spite?
Jerry: That's right. I don't care for the salesman that sold it to me.
Teller: I don't think you can return an item for spite.
Jerry: What do you mean?
Teller: Well if there was some problem with the garment. If it were unsatisfactory in some way, then we could do it for you, but I'm afraid spite doesn't fit into any of our conditions for a refund.
Jerry: That's ridiculous, I want to return it. Whats the difference what the reason is?
Teller: Let me speak with the manager... excuse me... Bob!
(walks over to the manager and whispers)
Teller ...spite... (Manager walks over)
Bob: What seems to be the problem?
Jerry : Well I want to return this jacket and she asked me why and I said for spite and now she won't take it back.
Bob: That's true. You can't return an item based purely on spite.
Jerry:. Well So fine then ...then I don't want it and then that's why I'm returning it.
Bob: Well you already said spite so....
Jerry: But I changed my mind.
Bob: No, you said spite. Too late.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 26, 2016 02:47 PM (LdMbv)
500
How about people are just making conversation and venting?
Posted by: sexypig
*******
Can you tell us when you'll be done venting? Your candidate lost. What is the point of showing up here everyday to announce that you can't vote for Trump? We have two choices, and your candidate probably isn't one of them unless it's Hillary. For all Trumps flaws, I cannot imagine not voting against someone as evil and corrupt and morally bankrupt as Hillary.
Posted by: sexypig
*******
Can you tell us when you'll be done venting? Your candidate lost. What is the point of showing up here everyday to announce that you can't vote for Trump? We have two choices, and your candidate probably isn't one of them unless it's Hillary. For all Trumps flaws, I cannot imagine not voting against someone as evil and corrupt and morally bankrupt as Hillary.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (6IPEM)
501
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (o+SC1)
Somewhere between A and B depending on the issue in question.
Though I don't think G is mutually exclusive with any of the above. I just wish I knew which one it was.
Somewhere between A and B depending on the issue in question.
Though I don't think G is mutually exclusive with any of the above. I just wish I knew which one it was.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (KUaJL)
502
Functionally, supporting TPA was supporting TPP. Political gamesmanship notwithstanding.
Posted by: gm
No it was not. One deals with process. Agree or disagree with only allowing an up or down vote, supporting TPA is not the same as supporting any particular trade deal that might be subject to an up or down vote.
Posted by: gm
No it was not. One deals with process. Agree or disagree with only allowing an up or down vote, supporting TPA is not the same as supporting any particular trade deal that might be subject to an up or down vote.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (3JA/M)
503
B
Posted by: lindafell de spair- racist, mysognistic, uneducated, bitter, redneck, Moron in TEXIT! at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (xVgrA)
504
"More slimy Hillary news. Everything she touches is corrupt: http://tinyurl.com/j67lz8s"
The maker of BleachBit is bragging on its website about how HillaryLand used this super duper program to put 33,000 e-mails beyond forensic recovery.
Richard Nixon only had Rosemarie Woods and her heavy foot.
But nothing to see her, so move along.
The maker of BleachBit is bragging on its website about how HillaryLand used this super duper program to put 33,000 e-mails beyond forensic recovery.
Richard Nixon only had Rosemarie Woods and her heavy foot.
But nothing to see her, so move along.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (r1fLd)
505
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 02:43 PM (mFkVC)
I didn't demand a damn thing. I asked a question. Don't like the question, don't answer.
I didn't demand a damn thing. I asked a question. Don't like the question, don't answer.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 26, 2016 02:49 PM (3myMJ)
506
I keep praying that Jesus will return and save us all from November, but we honestly don't deserve that kind of mercy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
507
Teenage daughter is doing well too although she has atrocious taste in boyfriends right now.
In her defense, look at teenage boys, there's not much to pick from
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (39g3+)
Too true.
Teenage daughter is doing well too although she has atrocious taste in boyfriends right now.
In her defense, look at teenage boys, there's not much to pick from
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:46 PM (39g3+)
Too true.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (3JA/M)
508
"More slimy Hillary news. Everything she touches is corrupt: http://tinyurl.com/j67lz8s"
The maker of BleachBit is bragging on its website about how HillaryLand used this super duper program to put 33,000 e-mails beyond forensic recovery.
Richard Nixon only had Rosemarie Woods and her heavy foot.
But nothing to see her, so move along.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (r1fLd)
Obama might be shit midas, but Hillary is literally the Chaos God, Nurgle.
The maker of BleachBit is bragging on its website about how HillaryLand used this super duper program to put 33,000 e-mails beyond forensic recovery.
Richard Nixon only had Rosemarie Woods and her heavy foot.
But nothing to see her, so move along.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (r1fLd)
Obama might be shit midas, but Hillary is literally the Chaos God, Nurgle.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (KUaJL)
509
I keep praying that Jesus will return and save us all from November, but we honestly don't deserve that kind of mercy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
=================================================
Yeah. I was looking for the Rapture on that list.
I keep praying that Jesus will return and save us all from November, but we honestly don't deserve that kind of mercy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
=================================================
Yeah. I was looking for the Rapture on that list.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 26, 2016 02:51 PM (dFi94)
510
>> B, with a side of A, and a smattering of G.
Yeah, I'm kinda expecting B is the modal answer around here.
I suppose I could have thrown in:
D(2) - I'm butthurt that this loudmouth unconservative cronyist rolled in and stole the GOP nomination from Real Conservatives in an election that anyone who can fog a mirror ought to be able to win, and so I'll vote for Hillary to send a message.
Yeah, I'm kinda expecting B is the modal answer around here.
I suppose I could have thrown in:
D(2) - I'm butthurt that this loudmouth unconservative cronyist rolled in and stole the GOP nomination from Real Conservatives in an election that anyone who can fog a mirror ought to be able to win, and so I'll vote for Hillary to send a message.
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:51 PM (o+SC1)
511
Well done segmenting choices.
I'm an A
A - I support Trump's policies, I expect him to execute on them, and will vote for him on that basis.
G is my back up.
G - SMOD 2016 and only SMOD 2016.
I'm an A
A - I support Trump's policies, I expect him to execute on them, and will vote for him on that basis.
G is my back up.
G - SMOD 2016 and only SMOD 2016.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:52 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:52 PM (UBBWX)
513
It's Friday. ace must be warming up his pitching arm.
Posted by: Golfman at August 26, 2016 02:52 PM (gbwRH)
514
This reversal thing is a load of bullshit as if Trump did a 180 and is now an open borders amnesty guy.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (APlKx)
You're beingdisengenuous. While doing a 180 might be an overstatement, an example of hyperbole, Rudy Guiliani apparently thinks Trump is 'softening his stance', thanks to Chris Christie. However, at this point, your claim that nothing has changed regarding Trump's stated position on immigration is equally at odds with reality.
You're the guy spinning the plates on the old Ed Sullivan Show. Eventually, the plates fall off the poles.
Jeb Bush was partly right that Trump would soften his hardline position during the general election campaign. I still think Trump intends to build a wall if he's elected, if only as a symbolic sop to his supporters who--get this--actually believedTrump's promisesin the primaries.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (APlKx)
You're beingdisengenuous. While doing a 180 might be an overstatement, an example of hyperbole, Rudy Guiliani apparently thinks Trump is 'softening his stance', thanks to Chris Christie. However, at this point, your claim that nothing has changed regarding Trump's stated position on immigration is equally at odds with reality.
You're the guy spinning the plates on the old Ed Sullivan Show. Eventually, the plates fall off the poles.
Jeb Bush was partly right that Trump would soften his hardline position during the general election campaign. I still think Trump intends to build a wall if he's elected, if only as a symbolic sop to his supporters who--get this--actually believedTrump's promisesin the primaries.
Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2016 02:53 PM (OGbEB)
515
Teenage daughter is doing well too although she has atrocious taste in boyfriends right now. I am hoping maturity helps with that.
Posted by: redbanzai
---------------------
Well, I was that punk kid that wasn't good enough for your daughter at one time. Within reason, cut them both a little slack.
Posted by: redbanzai
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Well, I was that punk kid that wasn't good enough for your daughter at one time. Within reason, cut them both a little slack.
Posted by: Chi at August 26, 2016 02:53 PM (yrZFq)
516
>> The maker of BleachBit is bragging on its website
>> about how HillaryLand used this super duper
>> program to put 33,000 e-mails beyond forensic
>> recovery.
You are fucking kidding me. Accessory much?
>> about how HillaryLand used this super duper
>> program to put 33,000 e-mails beyond forensic
>> recovery.
You are fucking kidding me. Accessory much?
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:54 PM (o+SC1)
517
"Your candidate lost. What is the point of showing up here everyday to announce that you can't vote for Trump?"
Please show me one comment where I say "I can't vote for Trump."
You guys imagine nevertrump hiding in every bush.
Please show me one comment where I say "I can't vote for Trump."
You guys imagine nevertrump hiding in every bush.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:54 PM (UBBWX)
518
Trump continues to say no amnesty and no
legalization. So the press will say Trump reversed twice even tho he
didn't change anything at all.
Supporters don't need a 50 point plan for people to pick holes
through, unlike George Will and Judith Miller who should FO and go pick
their own holes.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM
***
Bingo. This is getting rather tiresome.
legalization. So the press will say Trump reversed twice even tho he
didn't change anything at all.
Supporters don't need a 50 point plan for people to pick holes
through, unlike George Will and Judith Miller who should FO and go pick
their own holes.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 26, 2016 01:25 PM
***
Bingo. This is getting rather tiresome.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 26, 2016 02:55 PM (g1MTt)
519
512 "Can you tell us when you'll be done venting?"
No, not really.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:52 PM (UBBWX)
***
a swine after my own heart....
No, not really.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:52 PM (UBBWX)
***
a swine after my own heart....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 02:55 PM (lutOX)
520
The left is going full bore on Chicago Univ. "no safe space" letter. I still predict they'll cave within a month.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 02:55 PM (Fmupd)
521
>>>She's mine, Hans.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (lutOX)
I don't see a ring on her finger!!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 02:42 PM (lutOX)
I don't see a ring on her finger!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:55 PM (MK9cc)
522
" I still think Trump intends to build a wall if he's elected, if only as a symbolic sop to his supporters who--get this--actually believedTrump's promisesin the primaries."
Its a tangible thing and easily done. (or close enough to easily done.)
California already has a wall, too. Which made Californians self-righteous about Arizona so funny.
Its a tangible thing and easily done. (or close enough to easily done.)
California already has a wall, too. Which made Californians self-righteous about Arizona so funny.
Posted by: sexypig at August 26, 2016 02:56 PM (UBBWX)
523
I'm in between A and B but would settle for G.
Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2016 02:56 PM (zoehZ)
524
Probably just my incomplete data set (i.e. I don't read the site as much as some), but I have not noted this storied "exodus from the blog of some of the best commenters" thing.
So maybe it's true.
One general observation is that many of the better regulars who haven't left have not impressed with their performance. There are some who are almost in the "automatic scroll past" category who were almost in the "must read" category, previously.
So maybe it's true.
One general observation is that many of the better regulars who haven't left have not impressed with their performance. There are some who are almost in the "automatic scroll past" category who were almost in the "must read" category, previously.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 02:57 PM (QDnY+)
525
A - Breitbart
B - AoS
C - NRO
D/D(2) - RedState
E - Huffnpuff
F - Reason
G - Geological Society of America
B - AoS
C - NRO
D/D(2) - RedState
E - Huffnpuff
F - Reason
G - Geological Society of America
Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 02:57 PM (o+SC1)
526
"You are fucking kidding me. Accessory much?"
They say no subpoena had been served, but
Martha Stewart went to jail because she deleted an e-mail, then undeleted it.
The accounting firm Arthur Andersen was put out of business because a lawyer instructed to delete stuff before any criminal action had been brought.
They say no subpoena had been served, but
Martha Stewart went to jail because she deleted an e-mail, then undeleted it.
The accounting firm Arthur Andersen was put out of business because a lawyer instructed to delete stuff before any criminal action had been brought.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:57 PM (r1fLd)
527
ace is back.
Posted by: Golfman at August 26, 2016 02:58 PM (gbwRH)
528
My daughter was married last week and the minister surprised us by choosing Matthew 7:24 to read. The message to build your house upon a rock applies in life pretty broadly, though maybe not so much in politics.
It seems like in politics compromise is key, though too many GOP politicians interpret the word "compromise" to mean "without firm principles". I hope for a day when our politicians have firm principles guiding them with which I can generally agree.
Great wedding ceremony though.
It seems like in politics compromise is key, though too many GOP politicians interpret the word "compromise" to mean "without firm principles". I hope for a day when our politicians have firm principles guiding them with which I can generally agree.
Great wedding ceremony though.
Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 02:58 PM (/m8T6)
529
Nood open thread
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 02:59 PM (Cd8NC)
530
Hillary Clinton hates me. Donald Trump is indifferent to me. I'll take it.
---
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
C. S. Lewis
English essayist & juvenile novelist (1898 - 1963)
---
"I divide officers into four classes -- the clever, the lazy, the stupid and the industrious. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the high staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy is fit for the very highest commands. He has the temperament and the requisite nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
---
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
C. S. Lewis
English essayist & juvenile novelist (1898 - 1963)
---
"I divide officers into four classes -- the clever, the lazy, the stupid and the industrious. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the high staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy is fit for the very highest commands. He has the temperament and the requisite nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 26, 2016 02:59 PM (/f6Nd)
531
Not sayin' you're wrong or anything, but the thing about mercy is that it's not about deserving .... that's why it's mercy.
Justice is about deserving.
Other than that quibble, yeah, if it takes the Apocalypse to end this circular-firing-squad-that-never-ends, okay then.
Still prefer Carrington Event II, but that's just me.
Justice is about deserving.
Other than that quibble, yeah, if it takes the Apocalypse to end this circular-firing-squad-that-never-ends, okay then.
Still prefer Carrington Event II, but that's just me.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2016 02:59 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: SMOD 2016 at August 26, 2016 02:59 PM (o+SC1)
533
>>506
I keep praying that Jesus will return and save us all from November, but we honestly don't deserve that kind of mercy. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
If he can't manage to get me a spot in the parking deck close to the building on a Friday, I'm thinking a November election upset would be a stretch...
I keep praying that Jesus will return and save us all from November, but we honestly don't deserve that kind of mercy. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
If he can't manage to get me a spot in the parking deck close to the building on a Friday, I'm thinking a November election upset would be a stretch...
Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 03:00 PM (Bdeb0)
534
I don't see a ring on her finger!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:55 PM (MK9cc)
***
heh.. no ring needed.....
the bruises on her thighs prove it.
I don't see a ring on her finger!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 02:55 PM (MK9cc)
***
heh.. no ring needed.....
the bruises on her thighs prove it.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 03:01 PM (lutOX)
535
I keep praying that Jesus will return and save us all from November, but we honestly don't deserve that kind of mercy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
The Old Testament is full of examples of Israel being punished for its stiff-necked stubborness and lack of humility and godliness. It's a hard school, and we're not getting out of it ourselves.
What form this punishment will take is anybody's guess but Bernie Sanders' campaign shows that nearly half of the country wants authoritarian socialism. I suspect we'll get it (or at least a form of it) and all that goes with it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2016 02:50 PM (39g3+)
The Old Testament is full of examples of Israel being punished for its stiff-necked stubborness and lack of humility and godliness. It's a hard school, and we're not getting out of it ourselves.
What form this punishment will take is anybody's guess but Bernie Sanders' campaign shows that nearly half of the country wants authoritarian socialism. I suspect we'll get it (or at least a form of it) and all that goes with it.
Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2016 03:01 PM (OGbEB)
536
troyriser: "While doing a 180 might be an overstatement, an example of hyperbole, Rudy Guiliani apparently thinks Trump is 'softening his stance', thanks to Chris Christie. However, at this point, your claim that nothing has changed regarding Trump's stated position on immigration is equally at odds with reality."
Um, wow.
What is "reality"? I've been asking for documentation of this new reality since yesterday, with no luck. Joe H. referred back to primary statements, one of which has not been contradicted, one of which was off-point and pretty much moot to start with.
What's the reality that serious observers - who aren't "bots" but actual serious experienced people - should be analyzing? Rudy's impressions?
Um, wow.
What is "reality"? I've been asking for documentation of this new reality since yesterday, with no luck. Joe H. referred back to primary statements, one of which has not been contradicted, one of which was off-point and pretty much moot to start with.
What's the reality that serious observers - who aren't "bots" but actual serious experienced people - should be analyzing? Rudy's impressions?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 03:01 PM (QDnY+)
537
You are fucking kidding me. Accessory much?"
They say no subpoena had been served, but
Martha Stewart went to jail because she deleted an e-mail, then undeleted it.
The accounting firm Arthur Andersen was put out of business because a
lawyer instructed to delete stuff before any criminal action had been
brought.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:57 PM (r1fLd)
That is a big no no in civil court too. It is called spoliation and judges will slap down both lawyers and defendants/plaintiffs hard for it. They can and do order both monetary and instructional sanctions up to and including ruling that the destroyed evidence would have proven exactly what the other party said it would prove.
They say no subpoena had been served, but
Martha Stewart went to jail because she deleted an e-mail, then undeleted it.
The accounting firm Arthur Andersen was put out of business because a
lawyer instructed to delete stuff before any criminal action had been
brought.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2016 02:57 PM (r1fLd)
That is a big no no in civil court too. It is called spoliation and judges will slap down both lawyers and defendants/plaintiffs hard for it. They can and do order both monetary and instructional sanctions up to and including ruling that the destroyed evidence would have proven exactly what the other party said it would prove.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 03:01 PM (3JA/M)
538
>> That is a big no no in civil court too. It is called
>> spoliation and judges will slap down both lawyers
>> and defendants/plaintiffs hard for it.
Google 'Friends of Frank'. Had a friend caught up in that one, cost him a bunch in lawyers.
What's in the public record on Hillary would send any banker, any pharma exec, running into court to plead to five years and a million in fines just to avoid trial.
>> spoliation and judges will slap down both lawyers
>> and defendants/plaintiffs hard for it.
Google 'Friends of Frank'. Had a friend caught up in that one, cost him a bunch in lawyers.
What's in the public record on Hillary would send any banker, any pharma exec, running into court to plead to five years and a million in fines just to avoid trial.
Posted by: SMOD 2016 at August 26, 2016 03:06 PM (o+SC1)
539
What's the reality that serious observers - who aren't "bots" but actual serious experienced people - should be analyzing? Rudy's impressions?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 03:01 PM (QDnY+)
I think Guiliani is an astute observer of the political scene, and he's also an early supporter,close advisor and confidant of Donald Trump. Rudy's 'impressions' carry weight on this issue.
Trump's softened his hardline stance on immigration to gain ground in the general election campaign. It's a common enough tactic. To deny this is what he's doing is ridiculous.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 03:01 PM (QDnY+)
I think Guiliani is an astute observer of the political scene, and he's also an early supporter,close advisor and confidant of Donald Trump. Rudy's 'impressions' carry weight on this issue.
Trump's softened his hardline stance on immigration to gain ground in the general election campaign. It's a common enough tactic. To deny this is what he's doing is ridiculous.
Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2016 03:08 PM (OGbEB)
540
>>>No it was not. One deals with process. Agree or disagree with only allowing an up or down vote, supporting TPA is not the same as supporting any particular trade deal that might be subject to an up or down vote.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (3JA/M)>>>
Come on. It was well understood that the likely result of passing TPA would be to usher in TPP. Give Obama TPA, you get TPP as a result. (Not to mention all of the reasons as to how bad TPA was itself.) Yet, Cruz voted for TPA anyway.
It's like building a transcontinental railroad and then claiming you didn't do it because you didn't drive the last stake. It's political bs, and I'm not buying it.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 02:48 PM (3JA/M)>>>
Come on. It was well understood that the likely result of passing TPA would be to usher in TPP. Give Obama TPA, you get TPP as a result. (Not to mention all of the reasons as to how bad TPA was itself.) Yet, Cruz voted for TPA anyway.
It's like building a transcontinental railroad and then claiming you didn't do it because you didn't drive the last stake. It's political bs, and I'm not buying it.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 03:11 PM (4ueYo)
541
Come on. It was well understood that the likely
result of passing TPA would be to usher in TPP. Give Obama TPA, you get
TPP as a result. (Not to mention all of the reasons as to how bad TPA
was itself.) Yet, Cruz voted for TPA anyway.
It's like building a transcontinental railroad and then claiming you
didn't do it because you didn't drive the last stake. It's political
bs, and I'm not buying it.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 03:11 PM (4ueYo)
No what is political BS is claiming someone supported something that they never supported as a political ploy.
As a matter of fact, to this day TPP has not been voted on. We will see if it is lame ducked but, as of right now, TPP has not been approved.
result of passing TPA would be to usher in TPP. Give Obama TPA, you get
TPP as a result. (Not to mention all of the reasons as to how bad TPA
was itself.) Yet, Cruz voted for TPA anyway.
It's like building a transcontinental railroad and then claiming you
didn't do it because you didn't drive the last stake. It's political
bs, and I'm not buying it.
Posted by: gm at August 26, 2016 03:11 PM (4ueYo)
No what is political BS is claiming someone supported something that they never supported as a political ploy.
As a matter of fact, to this day TPP has not been voted on. We will see if it is lame ducked but, as of right now, TPP has not been approved.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 26, 2016 03:19 PM (3JA/M)
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