Thursday Morning News Dump (8/25/16) [Mis. Hum.]

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1 Mornin' horde.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 25, 2016 07:48 AM (L62jT)

2 Just say a short clip about the epi pen. They are going to lower the prices now after all of the negative publicity.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2016 07:49 AM (iONHu)

3 Good morning Daywalkers.

I feel for the people in IN because tornado's don't discriminate.

Posted by: Gmac- All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war. at August 25, 2016 07:49 AM (4pjhs)

4 US needs to blow a couple of those Iranian speedboats out of the water.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 25, 2016 07:50 AM (L62jT)

5 Saw the epic-pen announcement.

Even mentioned that there was a politician as the father .

Forgot to mention the political affiliation.

Odd that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2016 07:50 AM (ptqRm)

6 say=saw

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2016 07:51 AM (iONHu)

7 I feel for the people in IN because tornado's don't discriminate.

Tornadoes are like redneck divorces.

Someone is losing a trailer.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 07:52 AM (19RKp)

8 How the hell do you perform a hysterectomy on a transgender man? Or is that really a woman? I'm so confused.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at August 25, 2016 07:53 AM (lszt0)

9 So, a company that's run by the daughter of Democrat Senator does everything they excoriate businesses for doing (hiking prices, massive salary increase, avoiding taxes as best they can) and we never hear party affiliation? If she even like a conservative post on FB they would have reported that. These people are crazy. Or maybe just allergic to the truth.

Posted by: Flyguy at August 25, 2016 07:53 AM (uU6jH)

10 So the US Government is spending $20 million to buy surplus cheese.

Anything to buy the farm vote, I guess.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 25, 2016 07:54 AM (PFy0L)

11 I don't see why a large U.S. naval ship couldn't "accidentally" run over one of those little motorized rubber rafts the Iranians used.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 25, 2016 07:55 AM (v3DL/)

12 votermom, when you email the bookstore owner back, I would say something like this:

Thank you for your email. I apologize for misunderstanding our conversation.

I wish you continued success with your store, and should the need arise for further help, I hope you will consider me again. I would be happy to help with (all the things you mentioned).

Sincerely,
votermom

Now, you know and I know that you didn't misunderstand your conversation with him, but if you really do want to work there some day, you'll have to fudge this a little. You want to leave him with the impression that you're a cheerful person who wishes him the best.

You can leave out the part about how the hiring manager can go fly off on her broomstick, for all you care.

Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2016 07:55 AM (805dc)

13 So the US Government is spending $20 million to buy surplus cheese.

Anything to buy the farm vote, I guess.

Who cut the cheese deal?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 07:56 AM (19RKp)

14 Anything to buy the farm vote, I guess.

Corn and cheese. The gov't could make a pretty good dip a this point I'm sure.

Iowa: First in the nation to be bought and sold every 4 years.

Posted by: Flyguy at August 25, 2016 07:56 AM (uU6jH)

15 14 Anything to buy the farm vote, I guess.

Corn and cheese. The gov't could make a pretty good dip a this point I'm sure.

Iowa: First in the nation to be bought and sold every 4 years.

Alt title: Iowa, how does it feel to be a whore?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 07:57 AM (19RKp)

16 Well, since Oregon is outlawing coal-fired electricity, and the environmentalist are stopping wind power I guess they'll just have to go solar.

Oh, wait... Oregon. NVM.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)

17 Wow. Those epi-pens are pricey. Probably not covered under ObamaCare. Life saving devices - not covered. Life preventing - covered.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 07:58 AM (ZFUt7)

18 Iran knows the Choom is a pussy and the Navy has been forbidden from doing anything about it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 25, 2016 07:58 AM (mpXpK)

19 Because I got willowed in the ONT I am posting again that there is an interesting article about the Iran ransom deal at Conservative Teeehouse blog. The comments have really enlightening information about how the payout was structured and why. A must read!

Posted by: Chillin the most at August 25, 2016 07:59 AM (Cl52v)

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Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 07:56 AM (19RKp)

It was too gouda deal to pass up.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 25, 2016 07:59 AM (L62jT)

21 Forgot to say there is a link in my nic.

Posted by: Chillin the most at August 25, 2016 08:00 AM (Cl52v)

22 Yes OR voters get the shit sandwich they asked for. I hope the get a big bite of it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 25, 2016 08:00 AM (mpXpK)

23 votermom, I'm sorry the bookstore job fell through. A follow-up letter sounds like a good idea. Always walk away on good terms.

Posted by: creeper at August 25, 2016 08:01 AM (MP6Qb)

24 there wasn't much outcry a few years ago when asthma inhalers went eco friendly and the prices greatly increased

Posted by: nckate at August 25, 2016 08:01 AM (v8s6L)

25 People in Oregon are stupid to ban coal. Of course their power rates are going to go up. It would serve them right if another ice age comes. People up there would chop down "old growth forests" to keep warm.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 25, 2016 08:01 AM (Z4hTv)

26 Well, since Oregon is outlawing coal-fired electricity, and the environmentalist are stopping wind power I guess they'll just have to go solar.

Oh, wait... Oregon. NVM.

Didn't the Sierra Club stop a solar plant a couple years back because a few bighorns migrated through what was to be site? They better start surveying for Sasquatches, or start working on... I don't know, hydroelectric?

Posted by: Flyguy at August 25, 2016 08:01 AM (uU6jH)

27 Yes OR voters get the shit sandwich they asked for. I hope the get a big bite of it.

Shoved in hard & deep & broken off.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:02 AM (19RKp)

28 Corrupt DOJ uses lawfare to go after GA. And when they lose the taxpayers will be the only ones held accountable.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 25, 2016 08:02 AM (mpXpK)

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Didn't the Sierra Club stop a solar plant a couple years back because a few bighorns migrated through what was to be site? They better start surveying for Sasquatches, or start working on... I don't know, hydroelectric? Posted by: Flyguy at August 25, 2016 08:01 AM (uU6jH)
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*sobs*
Won't someone think of the fish!

Posted by: Oregon Moonbat at August 25, 2016 08:03 AM (v3DL/)

30 When I woke up this morning I somehow emptied my stored mail from my inbox into my trash folder, so I've spent the last hour and a half moving mail back into the inbox. I have more to go.

Then I read a Fox News story and the live stream in the corner tells me Maria Molina is leaving Fox to go back to school for a PhD in meteorology.

Not a good morning so far.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:04 AM (/m8T6)

31 4 US needs to blow a couple of those Iranian speedboats out of the water.
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 25, 2016 07:50 AM (L62jT)
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19 sailors were killed on the U.S.S. Cole by a small boat like those IRGC speedboats. Obama continues to consider the lives of our military to be expendable.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 25, 2016 08:06 AM (EZebt)

32 Iran knows the Choom is a pussy and the Navy has been forbidden from doing anything about it.

Well, at least they haven't started doing anything overtly to take advantage of that until relatively recently.

We'd be in a much worse spot if they'd started doing this crap six years ago.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 25, 2016 08:06 AM (PFy0L)

33 So, basically, the DOJ is demanding that Georgia put dangerous and disruptive students into classrooms with normal kids. Yeah, that will be great for the learning process.

Homeschooling; the case for it gets better every day.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 08:06 AM (O7MnT)

34 Corrupt DOJ uses lawfare to go after GA.

_________________

Welcome to our world.

Posted by: ARIZONA at August 25, 2016 08:06 AM (NnYnv)

35 From last thread:
God bless First responders everywhere.

Here's a video of rescuersin Pescara del Tronto freeing a little girl after 17 hours under the earthquake rubble
:http://tinyurl.com/h7jrx23

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at August 25, 2016 08:07 AM (oQQwD)

36 For a while Oregon was burning aborted babies to generate electricity. When they stop burning coal, they can just go back to using that plentiful resource.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 25, 2016 08:10 AM (gvwYn)

37 Announced yesterday Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in Ohio. Which candidate will this hurt/help?

Posted by: not clever enough to post often at August 25, 2016 08:10 AM (tKWsB)

38 Here is the latest lawsuit against TFG

And who is held responsible when these people commit suicide, because this is a mental issue, not physical?

As usual, the blame will be with someone else, in this case the doctors.

disgusting

I hope they win.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:11 AM (qCMvj)

39

DAY 1,388

75 to go (148 to Inauguration Day )

Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mario's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, Milwaukee mayhem, McKesson's, Mizzou malefactors, mewling mattress-myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, malicious mosquitos, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 25, 2016 08:12 AM (9P3OG)

40 If her father had been a GOP senator this would be all over the news

Democrat Capitalism

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:12 AM (qCMvj)

41 CBS reports that Hillary will be making a speech today, where she will introduce the latest version of the VRWC .. Alt-Right

Weren't we told that it would be Trump spreading the stories of conspiracy theories. Instead, it will be Hillary spreading conspiracies.

Posted by: Diane Reynolds at August 25, 2016 08:13 AM (0+WqX)

42

Off to Japan. Pray I don't get schlonged by a Nork No-Dong.

Sayonara, fellow babies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 25, 2016 08:13 AM (9P3OG)

43 #SickHillary is trending huge on Twitter.

People are finally sitting up and paying attention. It is still August, which is early, but this topic is going to haunt her.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 08:13 AM (ZFUt7)

44 Safe travels, JJ. Godspeed.

Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2016 08:14 AM (805dc)

45 8 How the hell do you perform a hysterectomy on a transgender man? Or is that really a woman? I'm so confused.
___________________

Start by understanding that there is no such thing as "transgender." There are men pretending to be women, and women pretending to be men. They have themselves surgically altered, and they take hormones, but biologically they're still the gender they were at birth, and always will be -- and every cell in their body knows it, and their internal organs attest to it. That is why "transgender" men can give birth and have hysterectomies: because they're women.

Gender is not a construct. It is a biological and physiological fact.

Transgender is a construct. It is PC nonsense.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 25, 2016 08:14 AM (NnYnv)

46 Safe travels, JJ. Godspeed.

Posted by: bluebell

Yes JJ. What bluebell said. Safe travels.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:15 AM (19RKp)

47 Have fun JJ.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 25, 2016 08:15 AM (L62jT)

48 "8
How the hell do you perform a hysterectomy on a transgender man? Or is that really a woman? I'm so confused.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at August 25, 2016 07:53 AM (lszt0)"

You just cut that individual open and keep pulling out organs until the head SJW says you can stop. Or the patient dies.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 25, 2016 08:15 AM (gvwYn)

49 Will Beck face contempt charges?

I wonder if Beck's sources were right.

If they were, egg on the face of intelligence.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:16 AM (qCMvj)

50 If smug hippie liberalism could generate electricity, Oregon would look like Hong Kong.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 08:16 AM (O7MnT)

51 Morning all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:16 AM (zp+j1)

52 You just cut that individual open and keep pulling out organs until the head SJW says you can stop. Or the patient dies.

Promise??

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:16 AM (19RKp)

53 If smug hippie liberalism could generate electricity, Oregon would look like Hong Kong.

Completely covered in toxic gas?

Posted by: Flyguy at August 25, 2016 08:17 AM (uU6jH)

54 8
How the hell do you perform a hysterectomy on a transgender man? Or is that really a woman? I'm so confused.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at August 25, 2016 07:53 AM (lszt0)"

In layman's terms, it's called getting your tonsils taken out . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 25, 2016 08:17 AM (9P3OG)

55 How the hell do you perform a hysterectomy on a transgender man? Or is that really a woman? I'm so confused.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at August 25, 2016 07:53 AM (lszt0)"

In layman's terms, it's called getting your tonsils taken out . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

*rimshot

He's here all week ladies & gentlemen! Try the veal!
Remember to tip your waitstaff. But just the tip!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:19 AM (19RKp)

56 G'mornin', Horde !

Safe, happy trip, JJS !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2016 08:19 AM (Z8DIA)

57
Trump today:

- THURSDAY, AUGUST 25, 2016 -
MANCHESTER, NH
Donald J. Trump
1:00 PM
Donald J. Trump will hold a rally at�The Radisson Hotel-�Manchester, NH in The Armory Ballroom
Doors open at 10am

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:20 AM (5o5ek)

58 Feel good story of the day

heartwarming

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:21 AM (qCMvj)

59 J.J.'s leaving for Japan? Then who the heck is going to bring me my coffee?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 25, 2016 08:22 AM (dFi94)

60 Alt-Right. Never heard of it. Must be a new boogyman the Leftshits made up.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 25, 2016 08:23 AM (Z4hTv)

61 Here in Pennsylvania, there's utility 'choice'. If you don't like coal burning plants you can choose to have a hydroelectric supplier providing your electricity. Yeah, I know, it's pretty much bullshit.

But eco-nazi gotta nazi. Wait until they get their new electric bills.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 08:23 AM (ZFUt7)

62

as an aside, The Daily Caller has really carved itself out as a unique site now

It's my daily visit, too, these days

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:23 AM (qCMvj)

63 You can leave out the part about how the hiring manager can go fly off on her broomstick, for all you care.

Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2016 07:55 AM (805dc)

Bluebell, thanks, that's perfect!

Posted by: @votermom at August 25, 2016 08:23 AM (Om16U)

64

I'm not convinced Assange has a smoking gun to take hillary down come election time. Unless he was playing coy, they do not have much yet and still looking, or what they have is not going to be "loud" enough to overcome the liberal media bias filter.

He basically stated, it will depend on how much cover the news gives scankles.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:25 AM (qCMvj)

65 50 If smug hippie liberalism could generate electricity, Oregon would look like Hong Kong.
Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 08:16 AM (O7MnT)
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I don't know why they're so smug. I was in a grocery store in Portlandia last weekend and I was shocked, SHOCKED to see plentiful, free paper and of all horrors, plastic bags for the taking.

Here in California, plastic bags are verboten and paper bags cost ten cents each. Unless, you are using food stamps, of course.

I asked my sister as she loaded up on plastic bags, why does she hate the earf so much? She didn't get it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 25, 2016 08:25 AM (EZebt)

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41 CBS reports that Hillary will be making a speech today, where she will introduce the latest version of the VRWC .. Alt-Right

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I'm still confused about the Alt-Right. There's a looooong piece by Milo Yiannopoulos on it that looked at a quick glance like praise, but I hear we're supposed to hate it and now Hillary is going to make a speech about what jerks they are? They must be Something if Hillary is planning to wail against them instead of the stingy, greedy, heteronorming cisprivileged white supremacist American middle class as usual.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:26 AM (5o5ek)

67

I love this.

Black Lives Matter Has Officially Cost Mizzou 2100 Students

The University of Missouri's ( MU ) flagship Columbia campus has officially lost a staggering 23 percent of its freshman class this year, an even worse figure than administrators initially predicted in the wake of major racial strife.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:26 AM (qCMvj)

68 The Daily Caller has really carved itself out as a unique site now

Stopped going because of the ad assault and because I can't install adblock at work.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 08:28 AM (O7MnT)

69 Announced yesterday Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in Ohio. Which candidate will this hurt/help?Posted by: not clever enough to post often�

The polls I've seen pretty much call it even steven as to who it hurts or helps. The 'kids' think they're doing something hip and exciting. I guess another four years of underemployment or unemployment doesn't scare them.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 08:28 AM (ZFUt7)

70 Off to Japan. Pray I don't get schlonged by a Nork No-Dong.

Sayonara, fellow babies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 25, 2016 08:13 AM (9P3OG)

stay away from the quakes

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:29 AM (qCMvj)

71
I'm not convinced Assange has a smoking gun to take hillary down come election time. Unless he was playing coy, they do not have much yet and still looking, or what they have is not going to be "loud" enough to overcome the liberal media bias filter.

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I feel the same way. I'm not relying anymore on blockbuster gamechanger revelations or the sources that supposedly have them. I don't think Assange has anything.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:29 AM (5o5ek)

72 >>>Swedish jurisprudence is interesting

No name given. Muslim?

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 25, 2016 08:29 AM (+wjl1)

73 'Renounce Israel or else'
Progressive Democrats have become openly opposed to Israel, Alan Dershowitz warns, demanding that members renounce Jewish state.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/216922

The "Alt-Left"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:30 AM (zp+j1)

74 I thought the dream thread last night was pretty interesting. I read an article some time ago that sort of classified dreams into groups and offered interpretations. The commonality of certain types among people - falling, can't run/fight, missing an exam - has always been an interesting phenomenon to me and I've meant to read about it some more but have never gotten around to it. Never heard the teeth falling out dream before!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2016 08:30 AM (Sfs6o)

75 I'm not convinced Assange has a smoking gun to take hillary down come election time. Unless he was playing coy, they do not have much yet and still looking, or what they have is not going to be "loud" enough to overcome the liberal media bias filter.

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I feel the same way. I'm not relying anymore on blockbuster gamechanger revelations or the sources that supposedly have them. I don't think Assange has anything.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:29 AM (5o5ek)

But But But the LA Times is about to release that Khalil Tape on Fredo? I am sure of it!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:31 AM (zp+j1)

76 as an aside, The Daily Caller has really carved itself out as a unique site now

It's my daily visit, too, these days

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:23 AM (qCMvj)
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The site always has long-running scripts that freeze my old computer.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:32 AM (/m8T6)

77 I feel the same way. I'm not relying anymore on blockbuster gamechanger revelations or the sources that supposedly have them.

I don't think Assange has anything.

If he doesn't, he doesn't have long to live. The Ecuadoreans have to be getting tired of the freeloader.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:33 AM (19RKp)

78 Hillary health cartoon

https://pbs.twi
mg.com/media/Cqsxqk2WYAAjsLa.jpg:small

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 08:33 AM (ZFUt7)

79 CBS reports that Hillary will be making a speech today, where she will introduce the latest version of the VRWC .. Alt-Right

No, the alt-right is a real thing. It isn't just a smear, that is what they call themselves. Look up Paul Gottfried and Richard Spencer some time, they are the more-or-less fathers of the movement. It is basically the idea that conservatism should embrace identity politics, but for white people. They have a lot of pseudo-scientific jibber-jabber about how white people are supposedly more "evolved" or some such, but it is all baloney. They also don't like Jews very much.

I don't think the alt-right is very big, and of course Hillary is going to attempt to overstate its influence and thereby trashing everyone on the right as white racists (what else is new), but on the other hand, Steve Bannon himself proudly proclaimed that he made breitbart.com a "platform for the alt-right", so that issue is out there by virtue of his prominence.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2016 08:33 AM (uAvJJ)

80 Have a safe trip JJ.

Posted by: JROD at August 25, 2016 08:35 AM (4Uh7V)

81 I feel the same way. I'm not relying anymore on blockbuster gamechanger revelations or the sources that supposedly have them. I don't think Assange has anything.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:29 AM (5o5ek)

I'm closer to the opinion that Assange has something that he thinks is a smoking gun (and by extension we'd see as one, and actually is one), but doesn't realize the extent that the media in this country is going to play defense for Hillary, so it doesn't matter.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 25, 2016 08:35 AM (KUaJL)

82 @66. What it amounts to is the people, like many here, who detest the donks and the GOPe and may refer to them as the uni-party are in /fact/ super right wing fascists. Scum of the earth and should die bigots. Of course the people making this crap up are the ones putting this out. Soros and Hillary.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 25, 2016 08:36 AM (Z4hTv)

83 I'm still confused about the Alt-Right."

Well, there have been a few lectures (here and elsewhere) on it, I still don't know either (and I'm going out on a very short pier here by saying those lecturing don't really know, either, but think they do).
What I do know is who it's p***ing off.

I do like that.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 08:37 AM (C9pBZ)

84
The University of Missouri's ( MU ) flagship Columbia campus has officially lost a staggering 23 percent of its freshman class this year, an even worse figure than administrators initially predicted in the wake of major racial strife.

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This is crunchy-good news, and I wonder if any changes are forthcoming. I guess it depends on whether the administration was full of true believers in which case they'll probably double down, or if they were garden-variety gutless, go-along, guilt-ridden white liberals who scramble at half-measures because they don't want anyone to get Upset.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:37 AM (5o5ek)

85 The alt right is bullshit just like all those who push it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:38 AM (zp+j1)

86 Here is a decent summary of the alt-right:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/24/what-is-the-alt-right/

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2016 08:40 AM (uAvJJ)

87 To repeat what I said on the old thread, this AM the radio news did a story about the epi-pens and put in a note that a generic was just rejected by the FDA, keeping the manufacturer's monopoly. Yet, the outrage of LiVs will be anti-corporate, not anti-government, even though they are hand-in-hand.

And I was reading stories about insulin and the same thing happening just yesterday.

Both of which are relevant to me with one son with food allergies and one with type-1 diabetes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 25, 2016 08:40 AM (vP09u)

88 Bluebell,

I sent back a very nice email based on what you suggested. Thanks!

*looks for hiring manager voodoo doll to stick pins into*

Posted by: @votermom at August 25, 2016 08:40 AM (Om16U)

89 Rugged individualists, unite!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 08:40 AM (wPiJc)

90
Here is a decent summary of the alt-right:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/24/what-is-the-alt-right/
Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2016 08:40 AM (uAvJJ)
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Thanks, cj

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 25, 2016 08:41 AM (5o5ek)

91 Daily Caller's definition of alt-right in their Opinion pages

What Is The Alt Right?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/24/what-is-the-alt-right/

The alt right is an online movement opposed to political correctness, multiculturalism, feminism and mainstream conservatism. It's primarily comprised of young white men. While a large portion of its adherents are white nationalists, not all of the folks tweeting out the hashtag are concerned with enforcing Aryan supremacy. The alt right is an umbrella term which includes multiple ideologies -- everyone from anarcho-capitalists, neo-monarchists, American nationalists, men's rights advocates, "identitarians," and even out-and-out neo-Nazis all claim to be apart of the alt right.

The main activity of the alt right is trolling. The Google definition of trolling is to "make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them." The alt right getting a speech from Hillary Clinton is a sign their trolling is working.

Where does the alt right come from? The term comes from "alternative right," which was first formulated near the end of the Bush presidency to describe the anti-Bush Right. Ron Paul fans, paleoconservatives and anyone else who opposed the policies of the Bush administration -- particularly the Iraq war -- could be placed under this umbrella in the beginning. That was how it was described by future Rand Paul adviser Jack Hunter in a 2009 article urging for the movement to take a more libertarian turn.

Instead, it became more white nationalist.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 08:41 AM (qCMvj)

92
A boycott against Target over its transgender bathroom policy is costing the retailer more than anyone expected.

Shopper traffic is declining for the first time in years, and the company is installing single-occupancy bathrooms in all of its stores to give critics of the policy more privacy. The new bathrooms are costing Target $20 million to install.

The company revealed its traffic declines last week when it reported second-quarter earnings. Target's same-store transactions, which is how traffic is measured, fell 2.2% in the second quarter. Overall, sales fell 7.2% to $16.2 billion, a loss of over $1 billion.

SFGate

Crunch the numbers, and they must have had a 5% drop in online sales to go along with the instore drop. A 7.2% overall drop in sales over a single quarter is gigantic. Which is probably why the story got buried.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 08:41 AM (kdS6q)

93 Media donated heavily to Clinton Foundation. What a surprise!!! /s:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gps6onh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2016 08:42 AM (6HqlZ)

94 Bigots and white seperatists have nothing what so ever to do with COnservatives. The Left and the useful idiots who help them are once again hijacking the English Langue to smear Conservative. You can stick Alt right right up there with vast right wing conspiracy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:43 AM (zp+j1)

95 85
The alt right is bullshit just like all those who push it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:38 AM (zp+j1)
Bullshit? I beg to differ!

Posted by: AlternativeRight.com at August 25, 2016 08:43 AM (uAvJJ)

96 I wonder if any changes are forthcoming. I guess it depends on whether the administration was full of true believers in which case they'll probably double down"

Winner Winner, chicken dinner...

Foley (interim Chancellor) said that there was an "unexpectedly sharp decline" (exact quote, that is) and that "more out of state recruiters will be added"...

So yeah, lessons not learned.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 08:43 AM (C9pBZ)

97 85

The alt right is bullshit just like all those who push it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:38 AM (zp+j1)

Bullshit? I made Breitbart.com a platform for the alt-right!

Posted by: Steve Bannon at August 25, 2016 08:44 AM (uAvJJ)

98 Hey you guys like my new invention?

The alt-right.

Oooooh, it's super-scary with totes influence beyond the guys I hire to troll websites from their Mom's basements.

It's for reelz!!!

So, in summary,

Alt-right super-scary, super-influential, and anybody who votes for Trump is a toothless, racist, ignorant, violent, racist, violent piece of toothless racist shit.

Ok, MSM, go!!!

Posted by: George Soros at August 25, 2016 08:44 AM (HGtd0)

99 The alt right is an online movement opposed to political correctness, multiculturalism, feminism and mainstream conservatism. It's primarily comprised of young white men. While a large portion of its adherents are white nationalists, not all of the folks tweeting out the hashtag are concerned with enforcing Aryan supremacy.

What I thought. Alt-right = Stormfront.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:45 AM (19RKp)

100 #SickHillary ?
*hic*
*shart*

Posted by: Hillary! Clinton at August 25, 2016 08:46 AM (sJuKe)

101 Love the Target story. Vote with your dollars.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:46 AM (/m8T6)

102 Alt-right = Stormfront."

Ah, we're having a circular firing squad again.

Brilliant.

*sigh*

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 08:46 AM (C9pBZ)

103 Alt-right = Stormfront.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:45 AM (19RKp)
Well, it is more like Stormfront + a veneer of pseudo-intellectualism, so basically, instead of guys flying swastika flags, it's guys going to conferences

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2016 08:46 AM (uAvJJ)

104 What I thought. Alt-right = Stormfront.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:45 AM (19RKp)

Yup and the Left and the Useful Idiots are trying to tar us with made up words like safe space, white privilage, and on and on. Only fools and those wishing to do harm to the Conservatives would fall for this shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:47 AM (zp+j1)

105
Man killed after meeting woman on PlentyOfFish dating site

Hilarie had met Hailey Rose Bustos on PlentyOfFish. He'd picked her up and they went bowling. Bustos sent the single father a text afterward: She'd had a good time, she wrote to Hilarie, and wanted to meet up the following night at his place.

Bustos, 18, brought three men with her to Hilarie's place, including two career criminals on probation for violent felonies. At least one of the men, police said, had a gun....

http://tinyurl.com/jrhpxul

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 08:47 AM (kdS6q)

106 Good morning all.

We had a huge crowd show up last night to pack flood buckets and load them in a trailer. Ran out of buckets before we ran out of people and supplies.

You can make or fund a bucket, too:

http://tinyurl.com/zwj2ybq

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 25, 2016 08:48 AM (gTQoY)

107 I thought Ann Althouse named her boobs Alt-right and Alt-left.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 08:48 AM (wPiJc)

108 Funny I don't see the same passion or dedication to pushing the Alt-Left who are vehemently anti-semetic and anti-white, and anti-capitalist from the same people pushing the alt right crap?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:49 AM (zp+j1)

109 in re "Alt-right"

Any construct popularized by Hillary Clinton is by definition an attempt to change the subject away from her high crimes and misdemeanors, and of zero interest to me.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:49 AM (/m8T6)

110 Any construct popularized by Hillary Clinton is by definition an attempt to change the subject away from her high crimes and misdemeanors, and of zero interest to me.
Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:49 AM (/m8T6)

THAT is the whole purpose of this alt right crap from the get go

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:50 AM (zp+j1)

111 Apparently, "Alt Right" is a loosely organized group united by a common enemy: globalist corporatism. Just because globalist corporatists cloak themselves in ecological, feminist, lgbt and multicultural propaganda, does not mean critics within the alt-Right are opposing care for the environment or do not support 'gay rights'. Neither do they 'hate' women or people of color.

Alt Right fights against social engineering, ideological indoctrination and censorship and Alt Right does not trust the people and organisations pushing the 'Social Justice' agenda because it's the corrupted agenda of the rich and powerful.

Posted by: Diane Reynolds at August 25, 2016 08:51 AM (0+WqX)

112 Muldoon, as usual, nails it

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:51 AM (/m8T6)

113 11 I don't see why a large U.S. naval ship couldn't "accidentally" run over one of those little motorized rubber rafts the Iranians used.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 25, 2016 07:55 AM (v3DL/)

Drop anchor on it ala 'caddyshack'.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2016 08:51 AM (JZJFW)

114 Gotta love being lumped in with the alt-right Nationalist/Populists AND the GOPe.

Posted by: JROD at August 25, 2016 08:51 AM (4Uh7V)

115 Really nice video not the WWII Navy Vet. Thanks, MisHum.

And here is a short video of a policeman who posted selfies with dogs he found to help unite them with their owners. And for the 'ethos, the cop is cute too. IMO! ;^)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gofw3d4

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2016 08:51 AM (6HqlZ)

116 Funny I don't see the same passion or dedication to pushing the Alt-Left who are vehemently anti-semetic and anti-white, and anti-capitalist from the same people pushing the alt right crap?

The same people pushing the Alt-Right label ARE the alt-left.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 08:52 AM (19RKp)

117 In an anti-utopian world in which democracy reigned supreme, it would quickly be revealed the giant crony-capitalist (the more appropriate term would be socialist style corruption) nature of the wind turbine industry. Sure they generate power that is expensive, inefficient and damaging - aesthetically and practically - to the environment and that is how it is sold; it generates clean power and therefore it has to be good - right?

What they don't tell us, and what the truth is about the wind energy industry is that it is creating billionaires from supporters of politicians - mainly Democrats, but Republicans as well.

There exist better, ways to generate wind energy that are being implemented. They aren't being implemented because they would compete with the industry creating the politically sponsored, tax payer funded, creation of ideological driven political benefactors (and tax beneficiaries).

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 25, 2016 08:52 AM (4ng05)

118 >>>Black Lives Matter Has Officially Cost Mizzou 2100 Students

White flight. It's not just for the cities. I'm amazed the administrators were stupid enough to think most whites are masochistic enough to tolerate such bullshit. And this will probably make no difference.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 25, 2016 08:52 AM (+wjl1)

119 I don't see why a large U.S. naval ship couldn't "accidentally" run over one of those little motorized rubber rafts the Iranians used.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 25, 2016 07:55 AM (v3DL/)

because of "ORDERS" from that asshole in the White House

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:52 AM (zp+j1)

120 Drop anchor on it ala 'caddyshack'.

With this administration we are more likely to drop a pallet of cash on it.

Posted by: no good deed at August 25, 2016 08:53 AM (9nt94)

121 There is a vast alt-right wing conspiracy against me!

Posted by: Hillarious Clinton at August 25, 2016 08:53 AM (Om16U)

122 Funny I don't see the same passion or dedication to pushing the Alt-Left who are vehemently anti-semetic and anti-white, and anti-capitalist from the same people pushing the alt right crap?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:49 AM (zp+j1)

That's because there is no such thing as the AltLeft. The definition you laid out there is just "the left."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 25, 2016 08:54 AM (KUaJL)

123 And for anyone that's a praying type I have my yearly evaluation with my boss at 11:00 EST. I'm expecting it to go fine, but most people don't look forward to their evaluations, I imagine. Thanks:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gofw3d4

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2016 08:54 AM (6HqlZ)

124
The same people pushing the Alt-Right label ARE the alt-left.

There is no Alt-Left. On the left, fanaticism is mainstream.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 08:54 AM (O7MnT)

125
These countries have smaller budgets than the city of San Francisco

At $9.7 billion and $11,100 per capita, SF's budget is big -- nearly twenty times the operating cost of the entire nation of Belize and over three times that of North Korea.

http://tinyurl.com/jg4ket5

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 08:54 AM (kdS6q)

126 Defining any alternative movement within conservatism as 'raaaaaaacis'' is doing the Left's, and the Establishment's, work for them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 25, 2016 08:54 AM (vP09u)

127 >>>How the hell do you perform a hysterectomy on a transgender man? Or is that really a woman? I'm so confused.

That was sloppy on their part. They should use FtM (female to male) transsexual as opposed to MtF (male to female).

Chazz Bono is FtM, Jenner is MtF.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 25, 2016 08:54 AM (+wjl1)

128 Obama Admin: Deficits Are The Next Presidents Problem

Weasel Zippers

Especially when this fuck designed his programs to crash specifically AFTER he left Officer

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:55 AM (zp+j1)

129 It's time to kick the conference call machine into action. First, I have to feed it more coffee, and then I have to push it downhill to get the engine started. Hardly interested today, too, what with the loss of Maria Molina.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:55 AM (/m8T6)

130 Here in California, plastic bags are verboten and paper bags cost ten cents each. Unless, you are using food stamps, of course.

I asked my sister as she loaded up on plastic bags, why does she hate the earf so much? She didn't get it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 25, 2016 08:25 AM (EZebt

We got plastic bags because the logging companies were making paper bags from the dead corpses of spotted owls.

Flippin' idjits.

Pulp trees can be harvested every 12-18 years. Pulp is not made from old-growth timber.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2016 08:55 AM (JZJFW)

131 >>There exist better, ways to generate wind energy
that are being implemented. They aren't being implemented because they
would compete with the industry creating the politically sponsored, tax
payer funded, creation of ideological driven political benefactors (and
tax beneficiaries). Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 25, 2016 08:52 AM (4ng05)

The fact that large-volume energy storage for wind-generated power remains a challenge may also be a factor. Transmission is fine, but storage--and not just for wind, of course--is still an obstacle.

But yeah, political benefactors protecting their rice bowls is no doubt an issue.

Posted by: General Zod at August 25, 2016 08:55 AM (Bdeb0)

132 I don't think most people have even heard of the alt-right thing, or even know what the hell it is, so if Hillary wants to give a speech on how all of Trumps supporters are white supremacist or whatever the hell she going to classify them as, I say go for it, I'm sure Trump would love to tell all of his supporters that Hillary thinks they are all racist.

Posted by: spypeach at August 25, 2016 08:56 AM (nyYhO)

133 >>A boycott against Target over its transgender bathroom policy is costing the retailer more than anyone expected.

They were so dumb about that. Nothing changed in their stores. They just had to preach about how "accepting" they were and thought everyone would go along.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 25, 2016 08:56 AM (gTQoY)

134 Once again.

Hillary did not create the construct of "alt-right". The alt-righters did THEMSELVES. Go to alternativeright.com. Go to takimag.com. These are places where the alt-righters hang out and have their pseudo-intellectual discussions about how white people are more "evolved" and about how "neo-cons" (meaning: Jews) are destroying the planet.

Of COURSE she is going to try to tar everyone on the right with the alt-right brush. That is what she does, and of course she's wrong. That doesn't mean the alt-right doesn't exist or that it ought to be ignored.

And of course she is trying to change the subject away from her corruption. The correct response IMO is not to deny the existence of the alt-right, but instead to respond "hey, a few guys with bizarre ideas about white identity politics don't by any means make up for the brazen corruption and lies and breach of national security put forth by Hillary Clinton".

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2016 08:56 AM (uAvJJ)

135 You watch. The GOPe will quickly pick up on the term Alt-right, as well. This eventually be a bipartisan tarring and feathering of... well... us.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (4ng05)

136 I use plastic shopping bags.
We reuse them at home as trash bags, etc.

Posted by: @votermom at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (Om16U)

137 80 Have a safe trip JJ.

Posted by: JROD at August 25, 2016 08:35 AM (4Uh7V

Do Japanese GPS really use School girls' voices?

"Turn left, kinichiwa. (giggles)"

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (JZJFW)

138 See?

Who sez I don't get my money's worth?

All over the HQ this morning, my flying monkeys are just like clockwork.

Fly my monkeys! Dance my monkeys!!!

The alt-right is the scariest thing evah! And oh so so very influential!!!

Boogie-booga!!!

Alt-right is not a fictional construct at all to help Hillary Clinton campaign.*

*Alt-right is the sole property of Soros Inc. All use and logos must be approved by Soros Inc or one of our allies in the Democrat Party or MSM.

Posted by: George Soros at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (HGtd0)

139 Defining any alternative movement within conservatism as 'raaaaaaacis'' is doing the Left's, and the Establishment's, work for them."

Hush up now, dontchaknow? We on the right side of the aisle must abide by the labels as assigned.

Or something. I lost track after hearing that the VRWC was antisemitic/racist/whatever.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (C9pBZ)

140 WhatsApp to share your phone number with Facebook
In a controversial move, WhatsApp messaging service will be sharing phone numbers with its parent company, Facebook, in what many believe is an attempt by the social network to mine the data of users for targeted advertisement.

Sigh

Bad News

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (zp+j1)

141 Another dark menacing speech by Hillary about some alleged booggy man.

Same shit, different day.

You know who else used to give dark menacing speeches about alleged booggy men? Then he went ahead and did something about it. It took over four years and tens of millions of lives to finally stop him.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (ZFUt7)

142 >>They were so dumb about that. Nothing changed in
their stores. Posted by: Mama AJ at August 25, 2016 08:56 AM (gTQoY)

No kidding. Did no one in the board meeting for that one say something like, "Uhh, we're going to discomfit millions of loyal customers to accomodate the peculiar restroom fetishes of about 17 troubled people. Do we really consider that a net win for shareholder value?"

Posted by: General Zod at August 25, 2016 08:59 AM (Bdeb0)

143 "Maria Molina, PhD candidate" just does not interest me as much as "Maria Molina, Super Weather Woman", mostly because she is disappearing from my TV screen for several years.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2016 08:59 AM (/m8T6)

144 It sure sounds like the Alt-Right folks have a lot in common with a whole lot of Bernie Sanders supporters.
I expect the "Democrats with bylines" to miscast the definition of Alt-Right in that case.

Posted by: Diane Reynolds at August 25, 2016 09:01 AM (0+WqX)

145 It sure sounds like the Alt-Right folks have a lot in common with a whole lot of Bernie Sanders supporters.

The main difference being Gary Johnson isn't pandering to them.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:02 AM (O7MnT)

146
Nextdoor social network adds features to combat racial profiling

Mentioning you saw a black guy is breaking into cars is now verboten:

http://tinyurl.com/z6q8wsl

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 09:03 AM (kdS6q)

147 I suspect in practice there is not really much customer demand for a run of the mill OB/Gyn doc to remove the healthy uterus of a woman who wants to be a man. The gender reassignment surgeons would be the ones to do that as part of a comprehensive surgical plan to rebuild bogus genitalia.

The HHS ruling is (IMO) more about normalizing the abnormal. Mainstreaming the offbeat. Incorporating the freakish into the everyday vernacular. We're being gas lighted.

If I were an OB/Gyn I would have no problem refusing to remove the un-diseased uterus of any woman regardless of her psychiatric problems.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:03 AM (wPiJc)

148 chemjeff is right!

No one could just set up some website online!

I mean the internet is not some place where any a-hole at all could set up a blog or website.

The alt-right* is reelz!!!!

It's gonna getcha!!!!

*alt-right is the sole property of Soros Inc. and all uses of it's name are the sole property of Soros Inc. or one of our approved FUD outlet in the MSM or Democrat Party.

Posted by: George Soros at August 25, 2016 09:05 AM (HGtd0)

149 This 'alt-right' of which you speak, is that the group that let Americans get killed while running a huge money-laundering operation for foreign enemies of the US?

Posted by: t-bird at August 25, 2016 09:06 AM (RrDm2)

150 Is alt-right just an Emmanuel Goldstein type spectre of the left? They need that sh*t to motivate their useful idiots.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 25, 2016 09:06 AM (+wjl1)

151 36 I use plastic shopping bags.
We reuse them at home as trash bags, etc.

Posted by: @votermom at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (Om16U)

Yep. Cat-turd receptacles!

Sometimes we ask for paper and use them for draining fried fish....

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2016 09:07 AM (JZJFW)

152 It sure sounds like the Alt-Right folks have a lot in common with a whole lot of Bernie Sanders supporters.

Yes. Weed.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2016 09:07 AM (B+qrE)

153 Like NGU and I were saying yesterday - "Alt-Right" is the "Neo-con" of 2016.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 25, 2016 09:08 AM (eytER)

154 Some guy wrote a column in Medium claiming the sitcom 'Friends' brought about the downfall of our civilization: Because the smart character (Ross) was the object of ridicule by the dumb, pretty, hip characters (everyone else) and set the tone of our culture ever since.

http://tinyurl.com/jrb397v

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:08 AM (O7MnT)

155
Polls show Hillary +19 in Oklahomo.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:10 AM (0IkTk)

156 So is that just LGBTQ Sooners?

Posted by: Patrick Henry at August 25, 2016 09:12 AM (lszt0)

157 Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:08 AM (O7MnT)

Because the "smart person is the object of ridicule" was totally invented by Friends.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 25, 2016 09:12 AM (KUaJL)

158 Friends brought about the downfall of civilization because the men we eviscerated after season two.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2016 09:13 AM (B+qrE)

159
We talkin bout the nameless, faceless 'alt-right' again?

Brought to us by the same people who like to occasionally label obama's pals in Al.Qaeda, ISIS, and Taliban as 'extreme right wing.'

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:13 AM (0IkTk)

160 While a large portion of its adherents are white nationalists, not all of the folks tweeting out the hashtag are concerned with enforcing Aryan supremacy.

Folks, alt-right is Stormfront by another name.
Key word? Aryan.

Only people that use the word Aryan are neo-nazi's and the left.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 09:13 AM (19RKp)

161 the sitcom 'Friends' brought about the downfall of our civilization: Because ~~the smart character (Ross) was the object of ridicule by the dumb, pretty, hip characters (everyone else) and set the tone of our culture ever since~~ Courtney Cox .

*****

Revised for accuracy.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:13 AM (wPiJc)

162 I tend to think 'Seinfeld' --- with its celebration of selfish and boorish behavior --- also played a role in shaping our modern culture.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:14 AM (O7MnT)

163
Ross wasnt smart, tho. He was a knowitall. Theres a difference. See: Biden, Joke.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:14 AM (0IkTk)

164 I remember that "Saudi national" fail. Beck running with that burned a lot of conservative sites, including this one.

If Glenn wants a stay with free cable tv and a weight room, who am I to judge.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 25, 2016 09:15 AM (sBpyu)

165
We have confirmation from the most conservative of conservatives:

Noah Rothman
Reporters and journalists: Talk to neoconservatives who were first targets of the alt-right. We know what we're talking about.

Ben Shapiro
The Breitbart Alt-Right Just Took Over The GOP

Jennifer Rubin
For the uninitiated, Breitbart News has nothing to do with Andrew, isn't news, isn't conservative and matters only to alt-right wackos.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 09:15 AM (kdS6q)

166 From that hotbed of VRWC, Boston, comes...

Boston police sent out a community advisory to alert residents about a planned training exercise in conjunction with the defense department. The advisory said the training is not in response to any world events.

Posted by: Diane Reynolds at August 25, 2016 09:16 AM (0+WqX)

167 Because the "smart person is the object of ridicule" was totally invented by Friends"

History for most begins somewhere around the time of their birth... (yeah, I stole that)

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 09:16 AM (C9pBZ)

168 Ross was a WATB.

Posted by: @votermom at August 25, 2016 09:16 AM (Om16U)

169 'Leave It To Beaver' brought about the downfall of our civilization because of the constant beating about the bush!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:16 AM (wPiJc)

170 155
Polls show Hillary +19 in Oklahomo.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:10 AM (0IkTk)

"polls" or one bullshit poll?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 25, 2016 09:17 AM (u0lmX)

171
Why this bullshit, again?

Because Trump had the balls to call Hillary Clinton a "bigot."

So the Clnton camp and the media reaponded by saying "Trump is making a 'hate movement' mainstream." And then had their anonymous internet goon squad stoke the 'alt-right' flames again.

He's a hater, you see.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:18 AM (0IkTk)

172 the constant beating about the bush!"

Thought we covered Petticoat Junction last week or so.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 09:18 AM (C9pBZ)

173 Happy Days brought about the downfall of our civilization because men wanted to emulate the hypermasculinity of Fonzie, which then caused the backlash of feminism, resulting in a splintered and polarized society.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 25, 2016 09:18 AM (KUaJL)

174 I am sure many pharmaceuticals have seen large price increases. Viagra and like drugs have gone up at least 3x in the last couple years. There is a reason Viagra is being packaged in single pill packages and it's not for convenience... no one can afford the little buggers anymore

Posted by: E.T. at August 25, 2016 09:18 AM (c+7Ko)

175 Charlie Chaplain brought about the downfall of our civilization because he had a mustache like Hitler.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 25, 2016 09:18 AM (KUaJL)

176 Why this bullshit, again? "

Because a few folks seem to enjoy showing up here and flouncing about.

Pointing that out seems to make them angry, so there's that on the plus side.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 09:19 AM (C9pBZ)

177 I tend to think 'Seinfeld' --- with its celebration of selfish and boorish behavior --- also played a role in shaping our modern culture.

Throw in the show's underlying nihilism and solipsism, too - nothing means anything and other people are just the supporting cast in the great TV show that is your life, with no identities of their own other than "the girl whose name rhymes with a body part" or "the soup Nazi" or "they're real and they're fabulous" girl.

I fucking hate Seinfeld.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 25, 2016 09:19 AM (X6fMO)

178
And right on cue as if theyre conditioned canines, the "true Republicans" immediately pick up on the 'alt-right' bullshit and run with it.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:20 AM (0IkTk)

179 By this time next week the MSM will be demanding every Republican they can get hold of denounce the alt-right and swear that they or any family are not now and never have been a member. Even if they have never heard of it.

Posted by: Ripley. at August 25, 2016 09:20 AM (1BQGO)

180 The theme song itself is filled with foreboding, telling us that life is inherently deceptive, career pursuits are laughable, poverty is right around the corner, and oh yeah, your love life's D.O.A. But you will always have the company of idiots. They will be there for you.

I think he's missing the point of the show. And yeah, it's a thirty minute sitcom, but still.

It's hard to say what a phenomenon this show was when it was aired...it really did speak to twenty somethings who were going through their own pains, and yeah when you move out on your own and are struggling to find your place in the world and find failure, it does seem the world is against you. Criticizing a show for playing that fact for comedic relief seems to me to be unfair. Would it be better to have a show where everything for the characters is wine and roses, which would instill false expectations for the audience?

I have my own problems with the show, especially in the later seasons, but I never got the sense that Ross was being ridiculed for his intelligence. He was a doofus, and Ross was a doofus so David Schwimmer wouldn't have to act. No ulterior motives.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 25, 2016 09:20 AM (PFy0L)

181 Viagra and like drugs have gone up at least 3x in the last couple years."

Well, someone's got to pay for the medical expenses incurred by erections lasting longer than four hours.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 09:21 AM (C9pBZ)

182 Tom Cruise brought about the downfall of our civilization because every professional cameraman in the world had to shoot at weird angles in order to make him look taller than 5'2", thus skewing the entire perspective of mankind.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:21 AM (wPiJc)

183 "Three's Company" is also probably complicit. A beta-male chef living, apparently entirely asexually, with two young women (one of whom was gleefully, clinically brain-dead), under the watchful (lecherous?) eye of a dewlapped, leisure-suited Don Knotts...what can possibly be the socially redeeming value of such a show?

Posted by: General Zod at August 25, 2016 09:21 AM (Bdeb0)

184 Viagra and like drugs have gone up at least 3x in the last couple years."

*****

ISWYDT

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:21 AM (wPiJc)

185 Andrew Dice Clay didn't do male/female relations any good.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 09:21 AM (ZFUt7)

186 165
"We have confirmation from the most conservative of conservatives..."

The conversations at the Upper West Side Starbucks must be amazing.

Left and right wing writers in New York are convinced that we flyover country Trump voters are barely hiding our desire form into mobs and start lynching everyone who isn't of Nordic ancestry.

It's just the way they think. It makes them feel superior if they talk themselves into believing the bulk of the country are uneducated racist hicks.

That makes their pedestrian thoughts put to digital paper more profound.

Posted by: jwest at August 25, 2016 09:21 AM (Zs4uk)

187 And right on cue as if theyre conditioned canines, the "true Republicans" immediately pick up on the 'alt-right' bullshit and run with it.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:20 AM (0IkTk)

Or as I like to call them "Useful Idiots"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 09:22 AM (zp+j1)

188 Those who hate Seinfeld, get over there to the left for your shaming and lighten up session.

That was a funny show.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2016 09:22 AM (B+qrE)

189
Meanwhile over at Reason, it was rape, but not necessarily rape-rape:

Nate Parker's Critics Are Convinced He's a Rapist, But It's More Complicated Than That

reason.com/blog/2016/08/25/nate-parkers-critics-are-convinced-hes-a

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 09:22 AM (kdS6q)

190 By this time next week"

Slacker. I'm thinking by the time Ace wakes up. Say, 2 o'clock Eastern?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 25, 2016 09:22 AM (C9pBZ)

191 I don't know about youz guys, but I've noticed that many news stories now regularly describe any of the parties of interest in the story as "man", or "woman", or "teen", and not just when referring to minorities in crime stories anymore.

It seems the "News" outlets have noticed the hypocrisy of not giving a full description of the criminal in a crime story, and now they have moved to give minimal descriptions in all news stories to normalize the lack of detail.

Soon you'll see "Man with Secret Service protection plays around America's largest water hazard in Louisiana." or "Woman collapses during speech." or "Man with unusual hair responsible for everything bad."

Posted by: Man with keyboard at August 25, 2016 09:24 AM (DHDiP)

192 If young people are getting their foundational beliefs and values from watching a 30 minute TV show once a week, we've got bigger problems than "who's a doofus".

Posted by: grammie winger at August 25, 2016 09:24 AM (dFi94)

193 Tom Cruise brought about the downfall of our civilization because every professional cameraman in the world had to shoot at weird angles in order to make him look taller than 5'2", thus skewing the entire perspective of mankind.

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You sir just blew my mind.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:24 AM (FJDuC)

194 Veteran Kills Himself in Parking Lot of V.A. Hospital on Long Island

Why Mr. Kaisen decided to end his life was not immediately known, but two people connected to the hospital who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss his death said that he had been frustrated that he was unable to see an emergency-room physician for reasons related to his mental health. "He went to the E.R. and was denied service, "one of the people, who currently works at the hospital, said. "And then he went to his car and shot himself."

Posted by: Diane Reynolds at August 25, 2016 09:24 AM (0+WqX)

195 You watch. The GOPe will quickly pick up on the
term Alt-right, as well. This eventually be a bipartisan tarring and
feathering of... well... us.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (4ng05)
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Just like those Tea Party radicals.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 25, 2016 09:25 AM (MIKMs)

196 The Sweedish book fondling case is Comey's email defense foe Hillzebub. Shit happens.

"With regard to the sexual molestation, they [the two women] were standing at a bar table and then he comes along drunk and drapes his arms around both of them from behind, and then he happens to touch one of their breasts. And it should be noted that they had gigantic breasts. It wasn't hard to brush up against them. If you're drunk and drape yourself over someone, well, you can understand how it might have happened."

Well, Comey didn't actually state "if you're drunk" but you know he meant it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 25, 2016 09:27 AM (Nwg0u)

197 So, to sum it up, *television* brought about the downfall of our civilization,

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:27 AM (O7MnT)

198 the constant beating about the bush!"

Thought we covered Petticoat Junction last week or so.

We weren't hard enough on the Beaver.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 09:27 AM (19RKp)

199 You watch. The GOPe will quickly pick up on the
term Alt-right, as well. This eventually be a bipartisan tarring and
feathering of... well... us.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 25, 2016 08:57 AM (4ng05)
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Just like those Tea Party radicals.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 25, 2016 09:25 AM (MIKMs)

Yup, that is also their intention: To divide and conquer. Especially with the help of their useful idiots

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 09:29 AM (zp+j1)

200
You watch. The GOPe will quickly pick up on the term Alt-right, as well. This eventually be a bipartisan tarring and feathering of... well... us.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean

Well, actually of you.

I'm planing to turn rat and collect the reward.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 09:29 AM (kdS6q)

201 The MSM/left talking point will be the defeated, rejected and bitter Tea Party regrouped into the even more evil, racist alt-right. Or did that already happen?

Posted by: Ripley. at August 25, 2016 09:29 AM (1BQGO)

202 Left and right wing writers in New York are convinced that we flyover country Trump voters are barely hiding our desire form into mobs and start lynching everyone who isn't of Nordic ancestry.

Nah, I'm just looking forward to the burning times when urban liberals can be shot and eaten.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:29 AM (O7MnT)

203
PurplePAC, a SuperPAC run by Cato Institute co-founder Edward Crane, will be launching a TV promoting the Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson on Friday.

The ad is intended to air 25 times on CNN and 25 times on Fox, from this Friday until Monday. CNN reporting on the ad buy said it will cost $1 million, and notes the official Johnson campaign has done no TV ad buys yet.

"Excelsior!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 09:30 AM (kdS6q)

204 All prescription drugs etc. are marked up by a factor of five over their actual cost. The epi pen is not alone in having an outrageous price. Why? Because insurance companies will only pay 20 cents on the dollar for any drugs or devices they cover - so manufacturers have responded by raising the prices by a factor of five to compensate. If your insurance doesn't cover something - you get stuck paying grossly inflated prices - since unlike insurance companies you don't get to pay 20 cents on the dollar.

Posted by: An Observation at August 25, 2016 09:30 AM (gsO4B)

205 No one should be the least surprised at the Left's mischaracterizations of the Right. Did anyone here really think it would be anything other?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 25, 2016 09:31 AM (dFi94)

206 the 22-year-old Pitt was suspended five feet above the ground

They're still getting high at Ye Olde Alma Mater.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2016 09:31 AM (8J/Te)

207 31 years ago this week, Huey Lewis and the News hit #1 on the pop singles chart with "The Power of Love."

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:31 AM (O7MnT)

208 All prescription drugs etc. are marked up by a factor of five over their actual cost. The epi pen is not alone in having an outrageous price. Why? Because insurance companies will only pay 20 cents on the dollar for any drugs or devices they cover - so manufacturers have responded by raising the prices by a factor of five to compensate. If your insurance doesn't cover something - you get stuck paying grossly inflated prices - since unlike insurance companies you don't get to pay 20 cents on the dollar.

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If people are willing to pay 5x more without insurance, then why would they lower the price if insurance picked up more than 20%?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:32 AM (FJDuC)

209 So, to sum it up, *television* brought about the downfall of our civilization,Posted by:�V the K

Perhaps it assisted tremendously. Network television had an agenda and followed it. 'Bundling' and lack of consumer choice lead to supporting points of view that would never have otherwise survived.

Cord cutting hopefully will result in a loss of power for the agenda makers.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 09:34 AM (ZFUt7)

210
Here's something for you all to ponder
Re: carpet or drapes - which is blonder?
If we're talking June Cleaver
And her much maligned Beaver
It's just one more double entendre.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:35 AM (wPiJc)

211
All prescription drugs etc. are marked up by a factor of five over their actual cost.

Posted by: An Observation at August 25, 2016 09:30 AM (gsO4B)

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Interestingly, the very same prescriptions you might pay $40 for at your regular pharmacy, might cost you $6 at your local vet. Same medicine. Same dosage. Same everything. Take prednisone for instance, which I am on. The exact same medication, exact same mg, costs a fraction if you get it for your dog. It's the same thing. There is no "dog" prednisone. It's prednisone. You would be amazed at how many medications used for humans are also used for dogs. Not cats though. Cats are mostly different.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 25, 2016 09:36 AM (dFi94)

212
Speaking of our next President, George Phillies analyzed the Johnson campaign's July spending:

$64,741 or 7.6% went to classical advertising.
$111,877 or 13.1% went to printing and mailing houses.
$530,699 or 62% went to consultants.

http://tinyurl.com/j24rmu3

Seems like everybody's got a price,
I wonder how they sleep at night

When the sale comes first
And the truth comes second.

Just stop for a minute and -- smile

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2016 09:36 AM (kdS6q)

213 @197 Actually I agree completely.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 25, 2016 09:37 AM (NF70U)

214 Nah, I'm just looking forward to the burning times when urban liberals can be shot and eaten.
Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:29 AM (O7MnT)

You don't want to eat stringy vegan Pajama Boys. No good meat on 'em.

Posted by: josephistan at August 25, 2016 09:37 AM (7HtZB)

215 2
Just say a short clip about the epi pen. They are going to lower the prices now after all of the negative publicity.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2016 07:49 AM (iONHu)

FBN just did a story on this. They're only lowering it for those that have a 'discount' card (I missed exactly what the discount card was or who got it). But even with that it's still over $400.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 09:37 AM (Enq6K)

216
Dogs get all breaks.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:38 AM (0IkTk)

217 Dogs get all breaks.
Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:38 AM (0IkTk)

Every Dog has it's day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 09:38 AM (zp+j1)

218 Regarding doctors being forced to perform medical procedures that are harmful to their patients --
I notice the left is never satisfied unless they are forcing immorality on people.

Tell me again how icky so-cons are when they want to not be forced to participate in bad stuff.

Posted by: Emmie at August 25, 2016 09:38 AM (xVuS6)

219 You don't want to eat stringy vegan Pajama Boys. No good meat on 'em.

****

Yeah, plus I'm flannel-intolerant.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2016 09:39 AM (wPiJc)

220 Interestingly, the very same prescriptions you might pay $40 for at your regular pharmacy, might cost you $6 at your local vet. Same medicine. Same dosage. Same everything. Take prednisone for instance, which I am on. The exact same medication, exact same mg, costs a fraction if you get it for your dog. It's the same thing. There is no "dog" prednisone. It's prednisone.

Same as if you get "human" prednisone in Canaduh or Mexico.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 09:39 AM (19RKp)

221 Just a quick drop in:

RE: Trump's softening on Immigration

I said that Trump was using the Art of the Deal on the Republican electorate, and not Democratic Senators, Republican congressmen, or even the general electorate.

I was told I was wrong.

I was right.

Someone owes me a good scotch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at August 25, 2016 09:39 AM (q80AH)

222 I laugh at prescription pill prices. My wife buys aspirin for my occasional use at the dollar store. $1.00 for 100 pills and the store makes a profit, the manufacturer makes a profit. Production costs per pill less than one cent.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 25, 2016 09:40 AM (ZFUt7)

223 I have excellent insurance through work and had a prescription filled yesterday. The prescription was $462 and with my co-pay I owed the pharmacy $180 for a 30 day supply. I went to the manufacturer's website and printed their discount/loyalty card (all major drugs seem to have them) which reduced my amount owed to $10. if I hadn't been aware these discounts exist - simply for the asking, there is no economic need threshold, then I'd have paid an extra $170.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2016 09:40 AM (Sfs6o)

224 RE: Trump's softening on Immigration

I said that Trump was using the Art of the Deal on the Republican electorate, and not Democratic Senators, Republican congressmen, or even the general electorate.

I was told I was wrong.

I was right.

Someone owes me a good scotch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at August 25, 2016 09:39 AM (q80AH)

Yeah? And where is he softening?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 09:40 AM (zp+j1)

225 Yeah doc. I was wondering if I could get a few doggy Viagra tablets for Spike.

*cough*
*wink*

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at the vet. at August 25, 2016 09:40 AM (wPiJc)

226 The price on Epic Penis is being reduced, you say? I'll buy a dozen right now!

Posted by: Sean Connery at August 25, 2016 09:41 AM (7HtZB)

227 I laugh at prescription pill prices. My wife buys aspirin for my occasional use at the dollar store. $1.00 for 100 pills and the store makes a profit, the manufacturer makes a profit. Production costs per pill less than one cent.

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Big difference between aspirin and many prescriiption pills.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:42 AM (FJDuC)

228 An epi-pen is like a gun. Insurance.
You want to have it and pray you never have to use it.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 09:42 AM (19RKp)

229 Drunk driving? Last car I owned was a Dodge Shart. Huma! More booze cooze!

Posted by: Hillary 2016 at August 25, 2016 09:42 AM (qlPzn)

230 Is the epipen still under a patent? Competition is how the price can become lower. Unfortunately I believe the government allows price collusion in the drug industry even when drugs become generic.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 09:42 AM (hKmCD)

231

Democrats

Come up with a new name to target.
Divide and conquer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 09:42 AM (qCMvj)

232 Is the epipen still under a patent?

*****

I think it's owned by Disney.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at the vet. at August 25, 2016 09:43 AM (wPiJc)

233 Is the epipen still under a patent?

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If it is, it can't be for much longer. It's been around for a while.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:43 AM (FJDuC)

234
Arent we overdue for another fake outrage over a Black criminal being shot by a cop?

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:43 AM (0IkTk)

235 Is the epipen still under a patent?

*****

I think it's owned by Disney.

That's f'n Goofy.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2016 09:44 AM (19RKp)

236
Arent we overdue for another New Rule for us to follow?

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:44 AM (0IkTk)

237 Re the Trump and Hillary animated GIF on last night's ONT (which I didn't see until this morning):

Who knew Donald Trump is the Dragonborn? He's obviously using the Fire Breath Shout ...

Posted by: Empire1 at August 25, 2016 09:45 AM (WPQSx)

238 nood melty clock art thread

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at the vet. at August 25, 2016 09:45 AM (wPiJc)

239 I can't wait to see how Trump supporters react when he says "Illegal Immigration is an Act of Love."

The circle is complete.

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:45 AM (O7MnT)

240

So if Chelsea Clinton had a fake email name/pseudonym of Diane Reynolds what was Bill's?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 09:45 AM (qCMvj)

241 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2016 09:40 AM (zp+j1)

You need to listen to his actual speech where he received grumbling feedback. He said deporting people who have been here almost twenty years , working with a family has to be taken off the table.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 09:45 AM (hKmCD)

242

Nood

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:45 AM (0IkTk)

243 230 Is the epipen still under a patent? Competition is how the price can become lower. Unfortunately I believe the government allows price collusion in the drug industry even when drugs become generic.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 09:42 AM (hKmCD)

The patent will be expiring next year. A generic is under development, but its expected release has been delayed

Posted by: josephistan at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (7HtZB)

244

Nood btw

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (qCMvj)

245 I just read that article about the epi pen. I guess the company that has made this incredible life saving device is just supposed to give it away. Their CEO is not to make any money even though his company created this incredible life saving device. Imagine inventing something that can save a life, and rather than saying thank you, just bitching about the cost going from $400 to $600. Again for an incredible life saving device.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (FJDuC)

246 Arent we overdue for another New Rule for us to follow?

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 25, 2016 09:44 AM (0IkTk)
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Yeah, I hear it's Golden. Not exactly new, but definitely under-used.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (dFi94)

247 So if Chelsea Clinton had a fake email name/pseudonym of Diane Reynolds what was Bill's?

Plenty O'Poon

Posted by: V the K at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (O7MnT)

248 If it is, it can't be for much longer. It's been around for a while.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:43 AM (FJDuC)

A quick search says it became available for use by people with allergies in 1980.
Patent time is around 20 years, isn't it?

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (Enq6K)

249 "Left and right wing writers in New York are convinced that we flyover country Trump voters are barely hiding our desire form into mobs and start lynching everyone who isn't of Nordic ancestry. "

So -called alt-right "leader" Milo Y. is of half Jewish and half Greek descent, but apparently is trying to pass as Nordic by dyeing his hair blond.

However, he keeps mentioning that he's half Jewish which means he's not doing a very good job of passing.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 25, 2016 09:47 AM (u0lmX)

250 41 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (kXoT0)

They removed your post for a Nerf gun?! But it's nearly impossible to get them to remove blatantly jihadi material. Sounds about right.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 23, 2016 08:32 PM (GDulk)

Morning all

I just read the Epipen story, and the cost for the pens makes more sense. Both my daughter and I have to have them, and up until a couple of years ago, it was a hundred bucks for four pens. Now, with insurance, I pay 200 just for hers. At the time, I didn't understand why the cost went up on a drug that's been around for so long, but when you consider the windfall on a drug that's required to be present in all schools around the nation it makes much more sense.

You figure that each school has to be scaled for the number of pens kept on hand. Even with 700,000 freebies, that is not going to cover every school in the US (and international American schools) and for larger student populations, it's probably 1 pen per hundred kids. At a 2000 student school, that's 20 pens, with 19 at a cost of 600 each. Those pens have to be replaced every year. That's $11,400 per year for one school.

I give Manchin's kid credit for thinking up the perfect scam, but I hope she rots in hell for it.

Posted by: Moki at August 25, 2016 09:47 AM (VnCI9)

251 UGH!!!!!!

That was not the comment I was referencing. Damn fingers.

Posted by: Moki at August 25, 2016 09:48 AM (VnCI9)

252 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (FJDuC)

It ain't life saving if you can't afford to buy it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 09:48 AM (hKmCD)

253 245
I just read that article about the epi pen. I guess the company that
has made this incredible life saving device is just supposed to give it
away. Their CEO is not to make any money even though his company
created this incredible life saving device. Imagine inventing something
that can save a life, and rather than saying thank you, just bitching
about the cost going from $400 to $600. Again for an incredible life
saving device.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (FJDuC)

The EpiPen was created by a former NASA engineer, Shel Kaplan. Kaplan created the ComboPen for the military before creating the EpiPen. In 1980, the EpiPen became available for use by people with food allergies and other allergies that may cause anaphylaxis.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 09:50 AM (Enq6K)

254 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:46 AM (FJDuC)

It ain't life saving if you can't afford to buy it.

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Still this life saving device only costs $600. Sounds pretty amazing. Amazing we have such companies in this country who can develop these life saving devices. I'm guessing a big reason why they do is because they can profit off them.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:50 AM (FJDuC)

255 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:50 AM (FJDuC)

The government protects these creators by not letting anyone else reproduce their creation. You exchange the gift of this protection with reasonable pricing. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 09:53 AM (hKmCD)

256 The government protects these creators by not letting anyone else reproduce their creation. You exchange the gift of this protection with reasonable pricing. You can't have it both ways.

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Then change the law. I think it fine to have a discussion about the appropriate time a patent should be in existence. But not sure why it is wrong for a company to exploit such patent for as long as possible for as much as possible.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:56 AM (FJDuC)

257 The government protects these creators by not letting anyone else reproduce their creation. You exchange the gift of this protection with reasonable pricing. You can't have it both ways.

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I'd add that you get these creations because of the potential for extraordinary pricing.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:58 AM (FJDuC)

258
Still this life saving device only costs $600. Sounds pretty amazing. Amazing we have such companies in this country who can develop these life saving devices. I'm guessing a big reason why they do is because they can profit off them.
Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:50 AM (FJDuC)

It's also been around for 30 years, because that's how long I have carried one. Mylan has long since recouped their R and D budget, and are making profit on this thing. Up until 3 years ago, the pen was 57 dollars. For a lot of people, that's a lot of money. But 600 is prohibitive. ANd completely unnecessary since the company hasn't incurred additional R and D costs for making the drug-in fact costs for the production have gone way down since it was created.

This is gouging, sweetie. Pure gouging.

Posted by: Moki at August 25, 2016 09:59 AM (VnCI9)

259 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:56 AM (FJDuC)

Again you want it both ways. You think its okay that a company should be able to exploit the protection the government gives them.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 10:01 AM (hKmCD)

260 It's also been around for 30 years, because that's how long I have carried one. Mylan has long since recouped their R and D budget, and are making profit on this thing. Up until 3 years ago, the pen was 57 dollars. For a lot of people, that's a lot of money. But 600 is prohibitive. ANd completely unnecessary since the company hasn't incurred additional R and D costs for making the drug-in fact costs for the production have gone way down since it was created.

This is gouging, sweetie. Pure gouging.

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Why are there no competitors? The patent would have expired by now?

My only concern is now lawmakers are trying to interfere with this supposed "gouging." What other products do you consider gouging? If the market will bear $600 pens, then why can't the company sell them for that?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:02 AM (FJDuC)

261 I'd add that you get these creations because of the potential for extraordinary pricing.
Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:58 AM (FJDuC)

BS.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 10:03 AM (hKmCD)

262 Again you want it both ways. You think its okay that a company should be able to exploit the protection the government gives them.

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Of course I do. If they couldn't, there would be less incentive to develop these incredible life saving devices.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:03 AM (FJDuC)

263 I'd add that you get these creations because of the potential for extraordinary pricing.
Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 09:58 AM (FJDuC)

BS.

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Really, you don't think the benefits of exploting these products for sale is what drives research into inventing these types of things - or any products really?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:04 AM (FJDuC)

264 "Why are there no competitors? The patent would have expired by now?"

The company that has a competing product that the FDA rejected....Teva, is an Israeli company.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 10:06 AM (Enq6K)

265 Further, if this price is too high, doesn't it foster incentives for other companies to develop a competing product to exploit this captive market? And if someone is able to come up with something, wouldn't that force the EpiPen maker to lower their prices to retain sales?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:06 AM (FJDuC)

266 The company that has a competing product that the FDA rejected....Teva, is an Israeli company.

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So the blame is with the government - not the company making the product?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:07 AM (FJDuC)

267 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:02 AM (FJDuC)

There aren't any competitors because the FDA is actively blocking production of a generic because the CEO is politically connected. This is pure corruption.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 25, 2016 10:10 AM (GDulk)

268 There aren't any competitors because the FDA is actively blocking production of a generic because the CEO is politically connected. This is pure corruption.

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Hey, in my ideal world there would be no FDA.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:11 AM (FJDuC)

269 So the blame is with the government - not the company making the product?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:07 AM (FJDuC)

I think I can blame both. Crony Corporatism.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 10:13 AM (Enq6K)

270 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:07 AM (FJDuC)

In this case the blame is with both the company and the government because they are mixed. Fascism in action.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 25, 2016 10:14 AM (GDulk)

271 If people are willing to pay 5x more without insurance, then why would
they lower the price if insurance picked up more than 20%?

The only practical alternative to paying the 5x price is to go without the prescription. Since most prescriptions are for fairly serious things that is not much of an alternative. It is not that the average person with a non covered prescription has much choice but to pay the inflated price. I expect insurance companies to start paying 10 cents on the dollar shortly.

Posted by: An Observation at August 25, 2016 10:15 AM (gsO4B)

272 I think I can blame both. Crony Corporatism.
Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 10:13 AM (Enq6K)

270 Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:07 AM (FJDuC)

In this case the blame is with both the company and the government because they are mixed. Fascism in action.

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That's fair. I'd like to eliminate the arrangement, but so long as the government picks winners and losers, companies are going to do what they can to be the winner.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:16 AM (FJDuC)

273 To be clear, I'm in favor of a patent system that does give a monopoly to creators and believe in general that those creators should be able to exploit that government monopoly however they see fit. Whether 20 years is an approrpriate amount of time or not, I don't know.

But to the extent that there are other government factors allowing companies to extend their monopoly - not through patent protection, but through other means, such as FDA delays in approval, well that I am against.

I'd eliminate that by eliminating the FDA. I'm not sure why the FDA is necessary, and believe it probably causes more harm than good. State governments, litigation, and public oversight are likely to be much better actors in keeping drug companies in line.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:22 AM (FJDuC)

274 but so long as the government picks winners and losers, companies are going to do what they can to be the winner.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:16 AM (FJDuC)

And this is ok with you?
You're moving the goal posts.
You first argued that charging that amount for a life saving device wasn't outrageous. That the company should be able to recoup their investment (an investment long since recouped).
Now you're saying well, if the gov't is picking them as a winner, that's ok....they're going to charge customers large amounts to be that winner.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2016 10:23 AM (Enq6K)

275 272 SH

Then quit scolding people because they choose to criticize the company for exploiting the cronyism,

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 10:24 AM (hKmCD)

276 And this is ok with you?
You're moving the goal posts.
You first argued that charging that amount for a life saving device wasn't outrageous. That the company should be able to recoup their investment (an investment long since recouped).
Now you're saying well, if the gov't is picking them as a winner, that's ok....they're going to charge customers large amounts to be that winner.

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In terms of the patent system, yes. Everything else - no. I wish to eliminate this type of crony capitalism - the only real way to do it is to shrink the government.

I don't think a company should just be able to recoup their investment - they should be able to capture what they can in excess. But the government should not be extending patents though other means beyond the patent term.

I'm willing to blame both actors in this case, but ultimately the government is to blame.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:26 AM (FJDuC)

277 Further, if this price is too high, doesn't it
foster incentives for other companies to develop a competing product to
exploit this captive market? And if someone is able to come up with
something, wouldn't that force the EpiPen maker to lower their prices to
retain sales?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:06 AM (FJDuC)
We're telling you the price is outrageous. YOU need to go into that market with a competing device and rake those outrageous profits also. Only if you try - you would find out that you would be legally prohibited from doing so.

You are applying laissez faire arguments to a market deeply regulated by the crony capitalism government. It would be nice if the market was free - it is not. That is price gouging - like selling bottled water for $50 a pint after a hurricane hits.

Posted by: An Observation at August 25, 2016 10:30 AM (gsO4B)

278 You are applying laissez faire arguments to a market deeply regulated by the crony capitalism government. It would be nice if the market was free - it is not.

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Exactly, I'd like to make it more free - not less. I'd rather combat excessive regulation with a repeal and not by adding more.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:32 AM (FJDuC)

279 278 You are applying laissez faire arguments to a market deeply regulated by the crony capitalism government. It would be nice if the market was free - it is not.

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Exactly, I'd like to make it more free - not less. I'd rather combat excessive regulation with a repeal and not by adding more.
Posted by: SH at August 25, 2016 10:32 AM (FJDuC)

Well then what would happen to your extraordinary pricing incentives? You're talking in circles while pushing around your goal posts on casters.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 25, 2016 10:34 AM (hKmCD)

280 And just as a reminder for later thread readers, SH is NeverTrump.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2016 10:47 AM (LdMbv)

281 Why are there no competitors? The patent would have expired by now?

My only concern is now lawmakers are trying to interfere with this
supposed "gouging." What other products do you consider gouging? If
the market will bear $600 pens, then why can't the company sell them for
that?

It is not a patent situation - it is an FDA approval situation. The FDA barrier to entry in that market is around a billion dollars - since that is how much it costs to gain FDA approval. Nobody is going to spend a billion dollars to sell a $600 dollar item particularly since the current manufacturer can lower prices if somebody else tries to enter the market. It is Crony Capitalism at its worst. An example of a government enforced monopoly with no price regulation.

The market is grossly distorted by that government barrier - which is why the price is $600 in the first place. In an actual free market the price would be around $25. So no, the "market" does not support a $600 dollar price.

Posted by: An Observation at August 25, 2016 10:51 AM (gsO4B)

282 There's probably never been a more Ace defense than that of the hockey players.

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