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Trump Pivoting to Eff Over His Voting Base on Deportation?
He seems to be preparing everyone for that blow -- or at least letting this out as a trial balloon, to gauge the intensity of the blowback.
I only say that he "seems" to be saying this because Trump frequently seems to not know what he's talking about, or realize he's directly contradicting things he's said before. For any normal politician, I'd say he's definitely repudiating his long-standing promises. For Trump, who knows. Every day is a new reinvention.Trump's immigration plan: Deport 'bad ones,' treat 'the rest' like Obama does Jenna JohnsonAllahPundit asks if there's any difference between Trump, the GOP establishment, and Marco Rubio on immigration anymore except for the unlikely promise of The Wall. Warning: I have seen these threads devolve too many times. Accept this not so friendly warning: Use of emotionally charged, bullying tactics to get people to shut up and silently accept your narrative will be responded to by a banning. You can disagree with each other all you like. Shouting at each other to shut people up is not disagreement and won't be tolerated.
The Washington Post
After spending a few days reflecting on his immigration stances and consulting with Hispanic supporters, Donald Trump on Monday detailed how he would deal with the millions of immigrants illegally living in the United States: Enforce laws that are already on the books and continue to do what President Obama is doing, although "perhaps with a lot more energy." This strategy marks a sudden change for the Republican nominee, who has presented himself as a politically incorrect outsider who is not afraid to take extreme measures to combat illegal immigration, such as deporting 11 million people or constructing a massive wall along the southern border. For more than a year, Trump insisted that all illegal immigrants "have got to go" and that he would create a "deportation force" to carry out the task. Trump struck a starkly different tone during an interview with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News that aired on Monday night. Trump said he would separate the country's undocumented immigrants into two groups: The "bad ones" who would be kicked out of the country as soon as he takes office and "everybody else" who would go through the same process that the Obama Administration is currently using. "The first thing we're going to do if and when I win is we're going to get rid of all of the bad ones," Trump said. "We've got gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country. We're going to get them out, and the police know who they are. They're known by law enforcement who they are. We don't do anything. They go around killing people and hurting people and they're going to be out of this country so fast your head will spin. We have existing laws that allow you to do that."
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First?
Posted by: dooley at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (IL1sE)
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Smell that? It's vindication.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (LAe3v)
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Just defeat the bitch. We'll sort it all out in the morning...
Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (N7G17)
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**grabs another drink**
Posted by: Jeff Sessions at August 23, 2016 07:18 PM (H9MG5)
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It will be interesting to hear the rationalizations as to what this really means, though.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:18 PM (LAe3v)
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It shouldn't be so complicated - E-Verify, fine and jail business owners who give illegals jobs, no welfare for illegals - none - no public housing vouchers - none - tax the shit out of remittances to ALL other countries (to be fair) - offer free transportation back to home country.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 23, 2016 07:19 PM (m40v5)
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I'm willing to hear him actually spell out his plans. Given that the most important things to me are the wall, eliminating sanctuary cities and deporting the violent, I'll be very disappointed if he takes any of these off the table.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 07:20 PM (0sLvz)
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Hispandering never works for Republicans.
Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:21 PM (N7G17)
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Oh and just have Donald come out and say we are going to copy exactly the immigration law in Mexico and wait for the wails from the press.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 23, 2016 07:21 PM (m40v5)
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At this point what does it matter what Trump says?
Posted by: Hillary=> at August 23, 2016 07:21 PM (/m8T6)
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3 Just defeat the bitch. We'll sort it all out in the morning...
Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (N7G17)
Yep. X1000.
Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (N7G17)
Yep. X1000.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 23, 2016 07:21 PM (0KfYo)
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I just don't know anymore. Not that I really did in the first place. All I can say is #NeverHillary at this point.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 23, 2016 07:21 PM (0mRoj)
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Just like gay marriage or spending or [insert issue here] you won't find any GOP politicians who will hold the line.
This includes Trump. He'll make deals.
This includes Trump. He'll make deals.
Posted by: gwelf at August 23, 2016 07:21 PM (Jh+bU)
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it's the washington post. i guess you can't get more legit than that.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (KP5rU)
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I'm willing to hear him actually spell out his plans.
The problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
The problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (LAe3v)
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Guess I'll see the survivors on the ONT.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (GDulk)
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It shouldn't be so complicated
It isn't. Speaking clearly is easy. Lying and obfuscating is the tough bit.
It isn't. Speaking clearly is easy. Lying and obfuscating is the tough bit.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:23 PM (LAe3v)
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If Trump goes back on his Border policy...
He's done...
Its been the Border Warriors who kept the faith with him even with all his gaffs...
If he goes soft now.... he's done...
He's done...
Its been the Border Warriors who kept the faith with him even with all his gaffs...
If he goes soft now.... he's done...
Posted by: Don Q. at August 23, 2016 07:23 PM (qf6WZ)
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One can hope this is the standard pivot towards the middle to help pick up new voters.
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 23, 2016 07:23 PM (6n332)
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Crazy Insane Racist Trump Softens Position For General!!! said no one in the media
Posted by: rat at tat at at August 23, 2016 07:23 PM (EdXI9)
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I have no idea where he is headed with this. All I know is voting for Hillary is not an option.
Posted by: Tyler Mason at August 23, 2016 07:24 PM (Nrh7e)
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Turns out drunk, lying, and crooked is the way to go through life! How about that?!
Posted by: Hillary=> at August 23, 2016 07:24 PM (/m8T6)
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If he goes soft now.... he's done...
Posted by: Don Q. at August 23, 2016 07:23 PM (qf6WZ)
Yep. That too.
Posted by: Don Q. at August 23, 2016 07:23 PM (qf6WZ)
Yep. That too.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 23, 2016 07:24 PM (0KfYo)
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Before people actually jump off a cliff I'd suggest we actually see where trump is headed.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:24 PM (Ozsfq)
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At least he's never used his security clearance as a suggestion.
Seriously, everyone knew he was full of shit, didn't they?
Seriously, everyone knew he was full of shit, didn't they?
Posted by: Chupacabra at August 23, 2016 07:24 PM (McglG)
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15 I'm willing to hear him actually spell out his plans.
The problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
What are the specific changes from what's published on his website as his policy?
The problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
What are the specific changes from what's published on his website as his policy?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 07:24 PM (0sLvz)
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The problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (LAe3v)
He did? What plan?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (LAe3v)
He did? What plan?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (Ozsfq)
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Before people actually jump off a cliff I'd suggest we actually see where trump is headed.
I've heard for a year or more that the difference with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and you're okay with that?
I've heard for a year or more that the difference with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and you're okay with that?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
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Flip. Flop.
Posted by: Senator Ryan Lochte at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (/m8T6)
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (LAe3v)
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He did? What plan?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (Ozsfq)
The policy posted on his website, I presume?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (Ozsfq)
The policy posted on his website, I presume?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (0sLvz)
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SHUTUP!!!
Posted by: Dogbert at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (ChQEz)
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pep is right!
Posted by: pip at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (cmE8J)
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the bad ones are the ones here illegally. trump is a life long democrat and I had believed that he would pull something like this across the board but hoped he'd prove me wrong
Posted by: macko at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (x5XIP)
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His 95% black vote prediction was a Tell. He's prepared to shovel massive bribes to the Free Shit Army for fantasy votes he'll never get.
Can take the stupid New York Liberal Democrat out of the boy..
Can take the stupid New York Liberal Democrat out of the boy..
Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (N7G17)
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I've heard for a year or more that the difference with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and you're okay with that?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
And what did he mean? So Trump has to be 100% pure in everything he said or he is the anti-christ? And you actually believed everything he said?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
And what did he mean? So Trump has to be 100% pure in everything he said or he is the anti-christ? And you actually believed everything he said?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (Ozsfq)
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With Amazon Prime, Blue Apron, sexbots the internet and my in depth knowledge of boobytraps I shall never have to leave my Fortress of Solitude...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (qul7b)
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I don't think Trump is changing. So much of what is written about him and his plans comes from enemies that it is difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. Nobody was going to deport 11 million people. He always said it would be those committing crimes and the rest would get some sort of treatment like green cards after paying a fine and identifying themselves.
Posted by: MikeK at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (5namt)
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I take what "The Washington Post" says with a whole truckload of salt.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (6HqlZ)
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He said he would use the "laws on the books." Hopefully he meant the immigration laws that Obama ignores. I think about 8 million illegal immigrants are affected.
Posted by: Victoria at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (ZP12/)
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What's unacceptable is continuing the presumption that Illegals somehow have a right to be here, and all that flows from that -- citizenship, benefits, etc.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (r1fLd)
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9 Oh and just have Donald come out and say we are going to copy exactly the immigration law in Mexico and wait for the wails from the press.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony
Heh! This would be so awesome. If only we had a opposition party that would do this.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony
Heh! This would be so awesome. If only we had a opposition party that would do this.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (20X6f)
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Send them all home. Simple, easy to understand.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (LAe3v)
Send them all home? And you just figured he's roll the buses up and ship them ( who ever them is) right out?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:26 PM (LAe3v)
Send them all home? And you just figured he's roll the buses up and ship them ( who ever them is) right out?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (Ozsfq)
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We're being conned.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (fn3+8)
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Securing the border is paramount. Stop letting them stream in unimpeded. Deporting between 11 and 18 million would be logistically impossible. I tend to agree with soulpatchtony, use the existing laws on the books to start whittling that down, including the visa overstays. IIRC, weren't several of the 9/11 hijackers visa overstays?
Posted by: Old Blue at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (9iR5/)
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Oh my God it's a mirage, I'm telling you it's sabotage!
Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (LBO1U)
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I'm a Cruzer but have since convinced myself to hold the nose and pull for Trump only because Cankles. I suppose that means I have no emotional "investment" in Trump and therefore, alleged flip-flops like immigration (which I told Trumpster family and friends is inevitable) serve as precious I-TOLD-YOU-SO material if/when he takes office and follows thru on the liberal stances later on. I actually enjoy this position and feel sorry for the die hard Trumpsters out there who are left flapping in the WaPo story winds.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (g9d8D)
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As someone else said, she needs to lose above all else. Get the levers of power out of the hands of the Democrats. If Trump needs to face huge protests after she's defeated in order to keep him on a conservative course, by all means hold him accountable! His VP will hopefully have a large role.
Posted by: Pete at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (YQtMV)
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So Trump has to be 100% pure in everything he said or he is the anti-christ? And you actually believed everything he said?
I never believed much of anything he said, and have been very clear on that from the start. But it's not about me, it's about those who bought into his con.
I never believed much of anything he said, and have been very clear on that from the start. But it's not about me, it's about those who bought into his con.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (LAe3v)
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To the tune of Tequila.
Du du du du du dude du du du du du du! BOHICA!
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
Du du du du du dude du du du du du du! BOHICA!
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (Nwg0u)
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Securing the border is paramount. Stop letting them stream in unimpeded. Deporting between 11 and 18 million would be logistically impossible. I tend to agree with soulpatchtony, use the existing laws on the books to start whittling that down, including the visa overstays. IIRC, weren't several of the 9/11 hijackers visa overstays?
Posted by: Old Blue at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (9iR5/)
Yup and make it less attractive to be here illegally...benefit wise
Posted by: Old Blue at August 23, 2016 07:28 PM (9iR5/)
Yup and make it less attractive to be here illegally...benefit wise
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (Ozsfq)
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He's not backing down on the Wall.
During the debate they were going to challenge him on the "impossibility" of rounding up 20 million illegals and their families . And deploy the requisite Nazi imagery. And try to scare everyone that isn't white.
Do trump haters want our side to win? Or do you just want some insignificant-to-everyone-else personal vindication?
During the debate they were going to challenge him on the "impossibility" of rounding up 20 million illegals and their families . And deploy the requisite Nazi imagery. And try to scare everyone that isn't white.
Do trump haters want our side to win? Or do you just want some insignificant-to-everyone-else personal vindication?
Posted by: rat at tat at at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (EdXI9)
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Since when is deleting illegals controversial. That's the damn problem.
Posted by: James at August 23, 2016 07:30 PM (jxw6R)
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They had the "Kennedy talk" with him in private.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:30 PM (CV0nS)
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Just.Secure.The.Border.
Maybe it's a wall, maybe it's a staffing thing, maybe it's untying the border security's hands.
Just secure the fucking border. We can talk about any potential deportations, or lack there of AFTER THE BORDER IS SECURE.
Maybe it's a wall, maybe it's a staffing thing, maybe it's untying the border security's hands.
Just secure the fucking border. We can talk about any potential deportations, or lack there of AFTER THE BORDER IS SECURE.
Posted by: Max Power at August 23, 2016 07:30 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Huma Dynamite at August 23, 2016 07:30 PM (cmE8J)
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Harrumph
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (rwI+c)
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it's about those who bought into his con.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (LAe3v)
And who bought into his "con"? But of course no other politician ever had a "con" right?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (LAe3v)
And who bought into his "con"? But of course no other politician ever had a "con" right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (Ozsfq)
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And you just figured he's roll the buses up and ship them ( who ever them is) right out?
Again, no. I just don't like being lied too. I don't make excuses for Hillary when she does it, but apparently the standard for Trump is different for some of you.
Again, no. I just don't like being lied too. I don't make excuses for Hillary when she does it, but apparently the standard for Trump is different for some of you.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (LAe3v)
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Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (qul7b)
I need to bone up on my boobytraps but otherwise I'm right there with you. I just want to hole up and shut pretty much everything out.
With Amazon Prime, Blue Apron, sexbots the internet and my in depth knowledge of boobytraps I shall never have to leave my Fortress of Solitude...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (qul7b)
I need to bone up on my boobytraps but otherwise I'm right there with you. I just want to hole up and shut pretty much everything out.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (0mRoj)
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Trump started craw fishing on immigration within three weeks of his saying Mexico's sending rapists and druggies here.
Bottom line, Trump is not Hillary, he is not a commie and he does not hate America.
Bottom line, Trump is not Hillary, he is not a commie and he does not hate America.
Posted by: gNewt....panhandlers never seem to not have their hands out ~ at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (dRRmR)
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It would be a big mistake for Trump to moderate his position.
Does anyone really believe that there's a voter out there that would vote for Trump but only if he softened his tone on illegal immigration?
Does anyone really believe that there's a voter out there that would vote for Trump but only if he softened his tone on illegal immigration?
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (dhZog)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, what is a proud Nitwit Lion at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (mgbwf)
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Do trump haters want our side to win? Or do you just want some insignificant-to-everyone-else personal vindication?
Posted by: rat at tat at at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (EdXI9)
You answered your own question
Posted by: rat at tat at at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (EdXI9)
You answered your own question
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (Ozsfq)
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Kind of like how I'm going to feel when Cruz gets primaried Smitty27.
Posted by: Sam Haysom at August 23, 2016 07:32 PM (SVGOz)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at August 23, 2016 07:32 PM (uPt3V)
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But of course no other politician ever had a "con" right?
Please point out where anyone here said that. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Please point out where anyone here said that. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:32 PM (LAe3v)
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Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (LAe3v)
Vote for me, and all your wildest dreams will come true.
Vote for me, and all your wildest dreams will come true.
Posted by: Hillary! at August 23, 2016 07:32 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: Who Knows at August 23, 2016 07:32 PM (XTL3w)
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM (UBBWX)
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"With firm reliance on Divine Providence."
I'm not voting for Hilbag OR the Donald. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
I'm not voting for Hilbag OR the Donald. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM (YeKKY)
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It would be easy enough to send all the illegal aliens working in this country home. Fine the shit out of the companies that hire them. But that won't ever happen.
Posted by: US Chamber of Commerce at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM (jkkMG)
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1. Save the country - never Hillary
2. Deal with whatever comes with Trump.
3. Decide in 2020 wth to do then.
2. Deal with whatever comes with Trump.
3. Decide in 2020 wth to do then.
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM (8qHlc)
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The FBI is probing a possible cyber breach of numerous company email accounts belonging to New York Times reporters, a law enforcement source close to the investigation told Fox News on Tuesday.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM (0+WqX)
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71 "With firm reliance on Divine Providence."
Divine Providence left to go get smokes at the corner store and isn't coming back.
Divine Providence left to go get smokes at the corner store and isn't coming back.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (0mRoj)
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58 it's about those who bought into his con.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (LAe3v)
Anecdotally, the Trump supporters who I know never mention mass deportation as the crown jewel of Trump's immigration policy. Actually, it's never brought up. It's mostly about the wall with a debate over whether he can actually get Mexico to pay for it.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:29 PM (LAe3v)
Anecdotally, the Trump supporters who I know never mention mass deportation as the crown jewel of Trump's immigration policy. Actually, it's never brought up. It's mostly about the wall with a debate over whether he can actually get Mexico to pay for it.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (0sLvz)
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I'm not sure that Trump saying he'd focus on the "bad ones" first is necessarily a flip flop.
It's just sort of a feel good answer.
Just having someone mildly enforcing current immigration laws would be such a windfall, you don't even need new laws.
It's just sort of a feel good answer.
Just having someone mildly enforcing current immigration laws would be such a windfall, you don't even need new laws.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (dhZog)
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Deporting between 11 and 18 million would be logistically impossible.
Make me King for 6 months and it's done.
Make me King for 6 months and it's done.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (rwI+c)
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Again, no. I just don't like being lied too. I don't make excuses for Hillary when she does it, but apparently the standard for Trump is different for some of you.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (LAe3v)
No offense, but you sound like you were born yesterday. Lied to? So which politician that never lies and walks on water are you supporting?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:31 PM (LAe3v)
No offense, but you sound like you were born yesterday. Lied to? So which politician that never lies and walks on water are you supporting?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (Ozsfq)
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To me, he's still better than Hillary. YMMV.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Hillary! at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (ODxAs)
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Just defeat the bitch. We'll sort it all out in the morning...Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (N7G17)
* * * * * *
I did that once - but the terminology was slightly different: "Just bone the fat chick and sort it out in the morning...." Well, in sorting it out that next morning, I felt disgusted and dirty as hell and in fact, I'm still haunted by what enough alcohol and mild attractiveness can do when mixed together.
Just defeat the bitch. We'll sort it all out in the morning...Posted by: TexasJew at August 23, 2016 07:17 PM (N7G17)
* * * * * *
I did that once - but the terminology was slightly different: "Just bone the fat chick and sort it out in the morning...." Well, in sorting it out that next morning, I felt disgusted and dirty as hell and in fact, I'm still haunted by what enough alcohol and mild attractiveness can do when mixed together.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (g9d8D)
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In before The Grump928(c)!
Posted by: The Scorpion at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (HIDKl)
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Do trump haters want our side to win? Or do you just want some insignificant-to-everyone-else personal vindication?
I will still vote for Trump, despite my disdain for him, because Hillary and the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean I'm willing to turn a blind eye to his lies to protect my ego.
Your turn.
I will still vote for Trump, despite my disdain for him, because Hillary and the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean I'm willing to turn a blind eye to his lies to protect my ego.
Your turn.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (0G1TT)
Posted by: Chupacabra at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (McglG)
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Trump doesn't lie he makes suggestions.
Posted by: gNewt....panhandlers never seem to not have their hands out ~ at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (dRRmR)
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I will still vote for Trump, despite my disdain for him, because Hillary and the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean I'm willing to turn a blind eye to his lies to protect my ego.
Your turn.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (LAe3v)
Ya know so basically we are on the same page. No need to continue to argue.
Your turn.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM (LAe3v)
Ya know so basically we are on the same page. No need to continue to argue.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (Ozsfq)
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39 I take what "The Washington Post" says with a whole truckload of salt.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (6HqlZ)
Thank you for saying what I was thinking in a classy way
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (6HqlZ)
Thank you for saying what I was thinking in a classy way
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (CV0nS)
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"Bottom line, Trump is not Hillary, he is not a commie and he does not hate America."
-gNewt sometime today amidst copy paste fail
That and 16 others. And the two before him.
Where's that got us?
-gNewt sometime today amidst copy paste fail
That and 16 others. And the two before him.
Where's that got us?
Posted by: Golfman at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (48QDY)
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No offense, but you sound like you were born yesterday. Lied to? So
which politician that never lies and walks on water are you supporting?
Again, see my @67. I notice you haven't shown me an example, and I know you won't, because you can't.
which politician that never lies and walks on water are you supporting?
Again, see my @67. I notice you haven't shown me an example, and I know you won't, because you can't.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (LAe3v)
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Before people actually jump off a cliff I'd suggest we actually see where trump is headed.
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No, no. Jump now. Avoid the rush.
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No, no. Jump now. Avoid the rush.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (Nwg0u)
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I did that once - but the terminology was slightly different: "Just bone the fat chick and sort it out in the morning...." Well, in sorting it out that next morning, I felt disgusted and dirty as hell and in fact, I'm still haunted by what enough alcohol and mild attractiveness can do when mixed together.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM
But me love you long time!
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:35 PM
But me love you long time!
Posted by: Trigglypuff at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (HIDKl)
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Deporting between 11 and 18 million would be logistically impossible.
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It's not impossible, but you have to start somewhere and it has to be politically palatable, so why not start with say the ones with criminal records and move down the list.
If you had a President willing to make some high profile deportations, you would see them leaving in mass numbers on their own once word got out.
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It's not impossible, but you have to start somewhere and it has to be politically palatable, so why not start with say the ones with criminal records and move down the list.
If you had a President willing to make some high profile deportations, you would see them leaving in mass numbers on their own once word got out.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (dhZog)
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Again, see my @67. I notice you haven't shown me an example, and I know you won't, because you can't.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (LAe3v)
An example of what?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (LAe3v)
An example of what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (Ozsfq)
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"With firm reliance on Divine Providence."
Divine Providence left to go get smokes at the corner store and isn't coming back.
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Divine Providence has been repeatedly told in no uncertain terms He wasn't welcome round these parts, He's just giving this country what it's chosen.
Divine Providence left to go get smokes at the corner store and isn't coming back.
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Divine Providence has been repeatedly told in no uncertain terms He wasn't welcome round these parts, He's just giving this country what it's chosen.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (3Liv/)
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But me love you long time!
Posted by: Trigglypuff at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (HIDKl)
The horror ... the horror ..
Posted by: Trigglypuff at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (HIDKl)
The horror ... the horror ..
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (rwI+c)
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"Do trump haters want our side to win? Or do you just want some insignificant-to-everyone-else personal vindication?"
What is "our side" if it means amnesty?
What is "our side" if it means every promise comes with a flip flop at the end?
Really, no one should be shocked here.
Cruz did some flippy floppy, too.
Its only the timing of this that sucks. Maybe it will work out.
NOTE: just because I bitch at the quality of the chocolate ice cream doesn't mean I plan on eating the anchovy ice cream.
What is "our side" if it means amnesty?
What is "our side" if it means every promise comes with a flip flop at the end?
Really, no one should be shocked here.
Cruz did some flippy floppy, too.
Its only the timing of this that sucks. Maybe it will work out.
NOTE: just because I bitch at the quality of the chocolate ice cream doesn't mean I plan on eating the anchovy ice cream.
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (UBBWX)
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I've heard for a year or more that the difference
with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and
you're okay with that?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
You're ok with Hillary?
with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and
you're okay with that?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
You're ok with Hillary?
Posted by: Tami at August 23, 2016 07:38 PM (Enq6K)
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Colin Powell told me to say these new things.
Posted by: D. Trump at August 23, 2016 07:38 PM (H9MG5)
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Deportation is letting them off easy. Labor camps.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:38 PM (rwI+c)
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I guess some people still think its the primary? Or that we get a redo?
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (dhZog)
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Before anybody jumps off the cliff they might want to stop whistling past the graveyard on the probable outcome of this election.
Before anybody jumps off the cliff they might want to stop whistling past the graveyard on the probable outcome of this election.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (ODxAs)
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here's two ways to get rid of illegals:
1. Make companies verify the documents submitted, instead for forbidding them to.
2. Go after private citizens who hire nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, pool guys, etc, w/o documents, payroll deductions, 1099s, etc.
you could nail somewhere 1/2 to 2/3rds of my neighbors with that, and the fines collected would be YUGE.
it would also dry up the labor demand, sending the cerotes back to their home sewer.
1. Make companies verify the documents submitted, instead for forbidding them to.
2. Go after private citizens who hire nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, pool guys, etc, w/o documents, payroll deductions, 1099s, etc.
you could nail somewhere 1/2 to 2/3rds of my neighbors with that, and the fines collected would be YUGE.
it would also dry up the labor demand, sending the cerotes back to their home sewer.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (rJpWp)
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OOO!!!! OOOO!!!!! ME!!!! ME ME ME!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy
Listen up hairball. I've got a restraining order so airtight that if you dream about me I'm legally permitted to murder you in your sleep.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy
Listen up hairball. I've got a restraining order so airtight that if you dream about me I'm legally permitted to murder you in your sleep.
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf)
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (LAe3v)
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101 I've heard for a year or more that the difference
with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and
you're okay with that?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
What is it that we know Trump is doing that is different from what is spelled out in his policy?
with Trump is that we knew he said what he meant. Now we don't and
you're okay with that?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:25 PM (LAe3v)
What is it that we know Trump is doing that is different from what is spelled out in his policy?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (0sLvz)
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Washington Post? I will wait for more info, thank you.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (g1MTt)
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"If you had a President willing to make some high profile deportations, you would see them leaving in mass numbers on their own once word got out."
I doubt it.
Why not wait until you come for me, Juan Valdez, vs. you coming for...who is high profile?
Obama's aunt?
I doubt it.
Why not wait until you come for me, Juan Valdez, vs. you coming for...who is high profile?
Obama's aunt?
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (UBBWX)
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How do y'all like it?
Posted by: The toaster/couch/chicken at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (48QDY)
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I believe that Buzzfeed had an article about how he said that he was going to legitimize illegal in a meeting he had with latinos. Quite a few outlets (including HotAir) ran with this.
A day or two later, a latino who had actually been at the meeting pretty much destroyed everything that Buzzfeed had written. I've heard of no retractions anywhere.
Pretty typical nowadays, so if the MSM says it or writes it, color me skeptical.
A day or two later, a latino who had actually been at the meeting pretty much destroyed everything that Buzzfeed had written. I've heard of no retractions anywhere.
Pretty typical nowadays, so if the MSM says it or writes it, color me skeptical.
Posted by: Natrium at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (OqhLF)
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (hYg7T)
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Trump is pulling the old razzle-dazzle....he will promise to be nice to the illegal alien horde but once in power he will make them self deport like shit through a goose.
Good for him....the average dumb voter likes being lied to, a lot.
Viva Trump! Grande Bolas! Viva! Viva!
Good for him....the average dumb voter likes being lied to, a lot.
Viva Trump! Grande Bolas! Viva! Viva!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (ej1L0)
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Folks, this is beyond WP. Trump's new team has been floating this balloon for a while now..a couple of days.
Maybe its vaporware designed to soften his image.
That could be smart.
Maybe its vaporware designed to soften his image.
That could be smart.
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (NOIQH)
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O/T: Tom Fitton (Prezzie of Judicial Watch) told Howie Carr he doesn't think Clinton Foundation will survive the week. They have cancelled the Clinton Global Initiative celebration/anniversary.
Apparently there are still a bunch of Huma emails to be released...
Apparently there are still a bunch of Huma emails to be released...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (SeD0w)
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What is it that we know Trump is doing that is different from what is spelled out in his policy?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails
Equivocating. Clarity is easy.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails
Equivocating. Clarity is easy.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (LAe3v)
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I'm not voting for Hilbag OR the Donald. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM
Feel the Johnson
I'm not voting for Hilbag OR the Donald. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2016 07:33 PM
Feel the Johnson
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (IqV8l)
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>>>Listen up hairball. I've got a restraining order so airtight that if you dream about me I'm legally permitted to murder you in your sleep.
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf)
YAY!!! Winona's coming!!!
:::puts on PJs and runs into bed:::
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf)
YAY!!! Winona's coming!!!
:::puts on PJs and runs into bed:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (0G1TT)
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wherever Trump is headed, it still won't be downtown Hillaryville.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (rJpWp)
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My position is unchanged, Trump can lie to me, waffle on most key positions he's taken, and disappoint me after he's elected and he'll still be more 1000 times more ethical than Hillary and believe in America at least 10,000 times more than Hillary!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (wCEn4)
Posted by: Golfman at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (48QDY)
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That Washington Post article seems to be a whole lot of speculation mixed with single quote from Trump that says "start with the bad ones" so I'm not really seeing where the flip flop is?
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (dhZog)
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osted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:36 PM (CV0nS)
As I haven't researched it, i don't know what Trump's current position is and how if differs from what he said before. This I do know. however. whatever positions people like about Trump (and I never thought he would deport all illegals or expected him to) every leftist media outlook will put out information saying "Trump won't do such and such" between now and the election. It's a way to depress votes. Hillary is a money laundering serial liar who sold out American interests and left people to die in Benghazi. I believe that she or Bill or both have a hit squad to kill off people who makes things difficult for them. I'd vote for road kill possum before i voted for Hillary, because I don't think Trump is evil-just a blowhard narcissist who's not completely clean
As I haven't researched it, i don't know what Trump's current position is and how if differs from what he said before. This I do know. however. whatever positions people like about Trump (and I never thought he would deport all illegals or expected him to) every leftist media outlook will put out information saying "Trump won't do such and such" between now and the election. It's a way to depress votes. Hillary is a money laundering serial liar who sold out American interests and left people to die in Benghazi. I believe that she or Bill or both have a hit squad to kill off people who makes things difficult for them. I'd vote for road kill possum before i voted for Hillary, because I don't think Trump is evil-just a blowhard narcissist who's not completely clean
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:42 PM (6HqlZ)
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I'm not sure that Trump saying he'd focus on the "bad ones" first is necessarily a flip flop.
It's just sort of a feel good answer.
Just having someone mildly enforcing current immigration laws would be such a windfall, you don't even need new laws.Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (dhZog)
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You do understand the "feel good answer" runs both ways, yes? That's the point. Rather than keeping his firm stance, he's loosening up. Where will he be in a year - how much more "mildly" will he be enforcing things when his big biz pals convince him the status quo is fine? Make a few high profile busts but, other than that, no mass deportation like he promised my parents and in-laws in order to get them on his Crazy Train to the White House. How heavy of a punch to the gut could his fan bois take?
I'm not sure that Trump saying he'd focus on the "bad ones" first is necessarily a flip flop.
It's just sort of a feel good answer.
Just having someone mildly enforcing current immigration laws would be such a windfall, you don't even need new laws.Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:34 PM (dhZog)
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You do understand the "feel good answer" runs both ways, yes? That's the point. Rather than keeping his firm stance, he's loosening up. Where will he be in a year - how much more "mildly" will he be enforcing things when his big biz pals convince him the status quo is fine? Make a few high profile busts but, other than that, no mass deportation like he promised my parents and in-laws in order to get them on his Crazy Train to the White House. How heavy of a punch to the gut could his fan bois take?
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:42 PM (g9d8D)
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123
My position is unchanged, Trump can lie to me, waffle on most key
positions he's taken, and disappoint me after he's elected and he'll
still be more 1000 times more ethical than Hillary and believe in
America at least 10,000 times more than Hillary!
Agreed, but I'm not going to pretend he isn't lying when he is.
My position is unchanged, Trump can lie to me, waffle on most key
positions he's taken, and disappoint me after he's elected and he'll
still be more 1000 times more ethical than Hillary and believe in
America at least 10,000 times more than Hillary!
Agreed, but I'm not going to pretend he isn't lying when he is.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:42 PM (LAe3v)
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I just find it funny that anyone believes a single thing the lifelong grifter Trump says or promises.
He's an expert at separating fools from their money and his presidential campaign is just his latest scam.
He's an expert at separating fools from their money and his presidential campaign is just his latest scam.
Posted by: Trump finds easy marks at August 23, 2016 07:42 PM (KMMII)
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Equivocating. Clarity is easy.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (LAe3v)
That's a non-answer. OK, what is he equivocating about relative to his policy?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:41 PM (LAe3v)
That's a non-answer. OK, what is he equivocating about relative to his policy?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 07:42 PM (0sLvz)
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If you had a President willing to make some high profile deportations,
you would see them leaving in mass numbers on their own once word got
out.
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You wouldn't even have to actually do it.
Just post some poor quality youtube videos showing 'federal' forces breaking into illegals' domiciles, roughing them up a bit, and leaving in handcuffs. Let everyone come to their own conclusions.
The people we need to leave would believe it because that's how things are done in their home countries.
you would see them leaving in mass numbers on their own once word got
out.
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You wouldn't even have to actually do it.
Just post some poor quality youtube videos showing 'federal' forces breaking into illegals' domiciles, roughing them up a bit, and leaving in handcuffs. Let everyone come to their own conclusions.
The people we need to leave would believe it because that's how things are done in their home countries.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (3Liv/)
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Hillary up 19 in Virginia. Hillary up 14 in Florida.
Thank you Trump primary voters!
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translated: i believe in the MFM, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy!
Thank you Trump primary voters!
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translated: i believe in the MFM, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy!
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (rJpWp)
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Posted by: Trump finds easy marks at August 23, 2016 07:42 PM (KMMII)
run along now and get your shine box
run along now and get your shine box
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (Ozsfq)
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Before anybody jumps off the cliff they might want to stop whistling past the graveyard on the probable outcome of this election.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (ODxAs)
I've started actively trying not to think that far ahead; lack of hope does that to a person.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (ODxAs)
I've started actively trying not to think that far ahead; lack of hope does that to a person.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (egK2C)
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110 Washington Post? I will wait for more info, thank you.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (g1MTt)
And Allahpundit riding on the back of a nakkid Eric Erikson traveling to drink from the watering hole that is Glen Beck's belly button.
I think I'll laugh now and wait this out until after the election.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (g1MTt)
And Allahpundit riding on the back of a nakkid Eric Erikson traveling to drink from the watering hole that is Glen Beck's belly button.
I think I'll laugh now and wait this out until after the election.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (CV0nS)
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I look forward to the entire world recreating the panic scene from 'Airplane' in October, when Barky McFuckstick declassifies all the Aliens intel and does photo-op, with one landing at the West Wing...
I look forward to the entire world recreating the panic scene from 'Airplane' in October, when Barky McFuckstick declassifies all the Aliens intel and does photo-op, with one landing at the West Wing...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (qul7b)
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every leftist media outlook will put out information saying "Trump won't
do such and such" between now and the election. It's a way to depress
votes.
The thought had occurred to me. That's why I say, clarity is easy. If it came from them, all he has to do is send out his proxies to say clearly, "they will all be deported". But that's not what we're hearing. We're hearing equivocation and hedging. That always means one thing.
do such and such" between now and the election. It's a way to depress
votes.
The thought had occurred to me. That's why I say, clarity is easy. If it came from them, all he has to do is send out his proxies to say clearly, "they will all be deported". But that's not what we're hearing. We're hearing equivocation and hedging. That always means one thing.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:44 PM (LAe3v)
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Hillary up 19 in Virginia. Hillary up 14 in Florida.
Thank you Trump primary voters!
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (hYg7T)
Your Welcome!.....
Thank you Trump primary voters!
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 23, 2016 07:40 PM (hYg7T)
Your Welcome!.....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 23, 2016 07:44 PM (ej1L0)
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>>Tom Fitton (Prezzie of Judicial Watch) told Howie Carr he doesn't think Clinton Foundation will survive the week. They have cancelled the Clinton Global Initiative celebration/anniversary.
If only that were true.
The Clintons have survived so much lawbreaking and scandal - impeachment, emails, etc. - that I see them clinging to the belief that this, too, shall pass. Like cockroaches, they survive everything.
If only that were true.
The Clintons have survived so much lawbreaking and scandal - impeachment, emails, etc. - that I see them clinging to the belief that this, too, shall pass. Like cockroaches, they survive everything.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 07:45 PM (NOIQH)
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Hrothgar makes a good point.
I suspect a mild flip even in tone won't hurt Trump, and might help.
True believers gonna believe.
Anti-Hillary - ain't got no choice.
Wafflers on the fence...they want to be reassured that he's not so mean.
BTW, there may be a ton of male hispanic misogynists out there waiting for El Caudillo Trump.
I suspect a mild flip even in tone won't hurt Trump, and might help.
True believers gonna believe.
Anti-Hillary - ain't got no choice.
Wafflers on the fence...they want to be reassured that he's not so mean.
BTW, there may be a ton of male hispanic misogynists out there waiting for El Caudillo Trump.
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:45 PM (UBBWX)
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136
I look forward to the entire world recreating the panic scene from 'Airplane' in October, when Barky McFuckstick declassifies all the Aliens intel and does photo-op, with one landing at the West Wing...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (qul7b
Vegas has the odds down to 25 to 1 from a historically high and consistant 1000 to 1.
Anything is possible.
I look forward to the entire world recreating the panic scene from 'Airplane' in October, when Barky McFuckstick declassifies all the Aliens intel and does photo-op, with one landing at the West Wing...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (qul7b
Vegas has the odds down to 25 to 1 from a historically high and consistant 1000 to 1.
Anything is possible.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:45 PM (CV0nS)
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If you had a President willing to make some high profile deportations, you would see them leaving in mass numbers on their own once word got out."
I doubt it.
Why not wait until you come for me, Juan Valdez, vs. you coming for...who is high profile?
Obama's aunt?
Posted by: sexypig
It's just like any other law enforcement, they make a big spectacle during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start taking cabs or don't go out drinking.
If people think there's uncertainty here, many will leave.
Regardless if Trump "moderates" his position, the other candidate thinks we don't have enough entitlements for illegal aliens, so its still a huge improvement.
I doubt it.
Why not wait until you come for me, Juan Valdez, vs. you coming for...who is high profile?
Obama's aunt?
Posted by: sexypig
It's just like any other law enforcement, they make a big spectacle during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start taking cabs or don't go out drinking.
If people think there's uncertainty here, many will leave.
Regardless if Trump "moderates" his position, the other candidate thinks we don't have enough entitlements for illegal aliens, so its still a huge improvement.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:45 PM (dhZog)
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Hillary is not up 14 in Florida. But she does have a small yet consistent lead.
Incidentally, Trump is now up by 3 in... Missouri.
Incidentally, Trump is now up by 3 in... Missouri.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:45 PM (5p18q)
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Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (Ozsfq)
Clearly a graduate of Trump University
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:43 PM (Ozsfq)
Clearly a graduate of Trump University
Posted by: Trump finds easy marks at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (KMMII)
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Agreed, but I'm not going to pretend he isn't lying when he is.
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Objection! cites facts not in evidence...
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Objection! cites facts not in evidence...
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (rJpWp)
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First of all, this is only being reported by known liars.
Second, is he talking about Obama's STATED policy, or Obama's EFFECTIVE policy? Because those two aren't even close to the same.
I'm content to wait until I can hear or read the words from The Donald himself. I've never been a Donald supporter -- I've been #NeverHillary from day 0.
Second, is he talking about Obama's STATED policy, or Obama's EFFECTIVE policy? Because those two aren't even close to the same.
I'm content to wait until I can hear or read the words from The Donald himself. I've never been a Donald supporter -- I've been #NeverHillary from day 0.
Posted by: brian at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (yN+Hh)
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This is what I know, the media will do everything to destroy Trump. I would have to see the entire interview and see context before I would draw any conclusions.
Posted by: Locke Common at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (I6Am+)
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Hillary up 19 in Virginia. Hillary up 14 in Florida.
Thank you Trump primary voters!
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Yeah, 'cause the MFM woulda been totally fair to Jeb or Cruz.
Thank you Trump primary voters!
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Yeah, 'cause the MFM woulda been totally fair to Jeb or Cruz.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (Nwg0u)
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Defeat the brain damaged bitch and we re all good. Let the got latina milfs stay, I guess I'm OK with that.
Posted by: Excelsior at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (BpvWC)
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Piss off, Joe.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (rwI+c)
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There are still people who are surprised that Trump's positions are set in Jello? Really?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
152
Building the wall and deporting criminal aliens is still a good start.The truth is he was never going to be able to start deporting illegal aliens en masse.
Building the wall and deporting criminal aliens is still a good start.The truth is he was never going to be able to start deporting illegal aliens en masse.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (lKyWE)
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Deep breath hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (i1KHZ)
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If Hillary gets indicted, Yuge has a chance. Otherwise, and I hate writing this . . .Yuge is too inconsistent and incoherent to be taken seriously.
Posted by: Very Undude at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (2X7pN)
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15
I'm willing to hear him actually spell out his plans.
* * * * * * *
The
problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's
changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (LAe3v)
* * * * * * *
Precisely. I'm mystified that people - at this point - are still happily waiting for the spelling-out-of-plans on seminal hard-line issues that got Trump where he is today. How are people not bothered by the waffling? Isn't this exactly what we despise in the establishment hacks?
I'm willing to hear him actually spell out his plans.
* * * * * * *
The
problem is that he already gave you one set of plans, and now it's
changing. Why would I place any more trust in the new ones than the old?
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:22 PM (LAe3v)
* * * * * * *
Precisely. I'm mystified that people - at this point - are still happily waiting for the spelling-out-of-plans on seminal hard-line issues that got Trump where he is today. How are people not bothered by the waffling? Isn't this exactly what we despise in the establishment hacks?
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (g9d8D)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (1ZOkK)
157
Having collard greens with dinner. Is that going to offend anyone?
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (7qAYi)
158
Its kind of fun to watch this now.
Srsly, every politician does this, and its fun to watch if you know it will happen.
Like "watch this guy pick up that chick" kind of fun.
Marco, Cruz, Bernie, Hillary....
Srsly, every politician does this, and its fun to watch if you know it will happen.
Like "watch this guy pick up that chick" kind of fun.
Marco, Cruz, Bernie, Hillary....
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:48 PM (UBBWX)
159
The die is cast. There's no recalling it now.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:48 PM (rwI+c)
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>>>I take what "The Washington Post" says with a whole truckload of salt.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (6HqlZ)<<<
Our sources on this are impeccable. Almost as trustworthy as the Rio PD in the Lochte case!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:27 PM (6HqlZ)<<<
Our sources on this are impeccable. Almost as trustworthy as the Rio PD in the Lochte case!
Posted by: WaPoo at August 23, 2016 07:48 PM (H9MG5)
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As long as he lets the hot latina milfs stay, I'm all good.
Posted by: Excelsior at August 23, 2016 07:48 PM (BpvWC)
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There are a thousand things that could be done to slow down illegal immigration, but it doesn't matter, both party elites want it and want an increasing number.
There are a thousand things that could be done to slow down illegal immigration, but it doesn't matter, both party elites want it and want an increasing number.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 23, 2016 07:48 PM (ODxAs)
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How are people not bothered by the waffling? Isn't this exactly what we despise in the establishment hacks?
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (g9d8D)
People didn't vote for Donald based on some fealty to ideological conservative positions.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (g9d8D)
People didn't vote for Donald based on some fealty to ideological conservative positions.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (5p18q)
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"It's just like any other law enforcement, they make a big spectacle during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start taking cabs or don't go out drinking."
Ok, maybe get Univision to cover it.
Ok, maybe get Univision to cover it.
Posted by: sexypig at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (UBBWX)
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Precisely. I'm mystified that people - at this point - are still happily waiting for the spelling-out-of-plans on seminal hard-line issues that got Trump where he is today. How are people not bothered by the waffling? Isn't this exactly what we despise in the establishment hacks?
Posted by: Smitty27
I didn't vote for Trump, but even a waffling Trump is better on the border than anyone else that was running.
Or we could have had "Teddy Bear" Cruz that when he wasn't welcoming gangbanger "kids" trying to sneak in he was bragging about doubling work visas to Mexico.
Posted by: Smitty27
I didn't vote for Trump, but even a waffling Trump is better on the border than anyone else that was running.
Or we could have had "Teddy Bear" Cruz that when he wasn't welcoming gangbanger "kids" trying to sneak in he was bragging about doubling work visas to Mexico.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (dhZog)
166
156
My BP and I will be on the porch, savoring a gin and tonic.
Ya'll have fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (1ZOkK)
Ooooh! That sounds good....I'm on my way!
My BP and I will be on the porch, savoring a gin and tonic.
Ya'll have fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (1ZOkK)
Ooooh! That sounds good....I'm on my way!
Posted by: Tami at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (Enq6K)
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He met with border patrol agents today in Austin. I doubt he's going Gang of 8. Honestly, why are you worrying about this stuff? I assume they are figuring out what is actually possible.
And Obama has deported more people than Bush did, right?
And Obama has deported more people than Bush did, right?
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (ru2SK)
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Like "watch this guy pick up that chick" kind of fun.
Marco, Cruz, Bernie, Hillary..
I would prefer not to watch Bernie pick up chicks. ;^)
Marco, Cruz, Bernie, Hillary..
I would prefer not to watch Bernie pick up chicks. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (6HqlZ)
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I'll stick with Trump. We know that Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller are going to be with President Trump planning his legislative strategy.
But ultimately we're facing a Congress controlled by the US Chamber of Commerce and the La Raza Democrats.
So we're not going to get everything we want. But at least his starting point will be further to the right than anyone in the GOPe, and he recognizes the problem from the perspective of the American working class, whereas the GOPe and the Dems look at the problem from the perspective of the illegals and foreign nationals.
But ultimately we're facing a Congress controlled by the US Chamber of Commerce and the La Raza Democrats.
So we're not going to get everything we want. But at least his starting point will be further to the right than anyone in the GOPe, and he recognizes the problem from the perspective of the American working class, whereas the GOPe and the Dems look at the problem from the perspective of the illegals and foreign nationals.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (PL2OL)
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Having collard greens with dinner. Is that going to offend anyone?
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Damn right it does! I eat only free-range greens!
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Damn right it does! I eat only free-range greens!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (Nwg0u)
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i think i'm gonna wait till he formally presents his immigration plan before I lambast him for reneging on his promises
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (c6/9Q)
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Or we could have had "Teddy Bear" Cruz that when he wasn't welcoming gangbanger "kids" trying to sneak in he was bragging about doubling work visas to Mexico.
You need to start charging Ted rent.
You need to start charging Ted rent.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (rwI+c)
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and this has at least 850 comments written all over it
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (CV0nS)
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157 Having collard greens with dinner. Is that going to offend anyone?
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (7qAYi)
If they aren't cooked up with some sort of pork product, yeah, I'll be offended.
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (7qAYi)
If they aren't cooked up with some sort of pork product, yeah, I'll be offended.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (0mRoj)
175
Trump constantly tells you how great he is at negotiation, how spectacular he is at making deals.
The thing is, people who are great at making deals are great at helping themselves. They're experts at getting more out than they put in. They get the long end of the stick, and leave everyone else with the short end.
Trump's negotiating with you for your vote. What makes you think he's going to let you have the long end?
The thing is, people who are great at making deals are great at helping themselves. They're experts at getting more out than they put in. They get the long end of the stick, and leave everyone else with the short end.
Trump's negotiating with you for your vote. What makes you think he's going to let you have the long end?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (I7SKu)
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Lou Dobbs getting ready to talk about this issue next.
His lead in....."Trump not softening his stance on illegal immigration on iota."
His lead in....."Trump not softening his stance on illegal immigration on iota."
Posted by: Tami at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (Enq6K)
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173 and this has at least 850 comments written all over it
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (CV0nS)
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And at least 5 bannings.
Good night, everyone.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (CV0nS)
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And at least 5 bannings.
Good night, everyone.
Posted by: bluebell at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (805dc)
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So if he's coming around to Rubio's position, wouldn't we have been a helluva lot better off with Rubio as the nominee? We could have been leading this race by 15 points, with a chance to utterly destroy the Democrat Party, but no, we got the comb-over douche leading us down the path to final ruin. Oh well, it's only the death of America, not something important like Monday Night Football, or The Voice.
Posted by: Steve-O at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (/txTE)
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>>>Having collard greens with dinner. Is that going to offend anyone?
What are you putting on the collard greens?
:::nonchalantly grips beer bottle by neck:::
What are you putting on the collard greens?
:::nonchalantly grips beer bottle by neck:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (0G1TT)
180
Did see a jeep with a big Trump, make America Great Again flag
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (0G2eQ)
181
"It's just like any other law enforcement, they make a big spectacle
during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start
taking cabs or don't go out drinking."
How has the rate of drunk driving been affected by those campaigns?
during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start
taking cabs or don't go out drinking."
How has the rate of drunk driving been affected by those campaigns?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (fn3+8)
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Maybe we should just talk about sex. That's a safe subject. Right?
Posted by: Jewells45 at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (CNHr1)
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My BP and I will be on the porch, savoring a gin and tonic.
Ya'll have fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (1ZOkK)
How'd it go with the doc?
Ya'll have fun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (1ZOkK)
How'd it go with the doc?
Posted by: gNewt....panhandlers never seem to not have their hands out ~ at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (dRRmR)
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And at least 5 bannings.
So far so good. The burned hand may teach best, though it takes four or five burns to get it with these morons.
So far so good. The burned hand may teach best, though it takes four or five burns to get it with these morons.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (rwI+c)
185
It's just like any other law enforcement, they make a big spectacle
during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start
taking cabs or don't go out drinking."
How has the rate of drunk driving been affected by those campaigns?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic
It affected mine
during the holidays of DUI arrests, people get the picture and start
taking cabs or don't go out drinking."
How has the rate of drunk driving been affected by those campaigns?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic
It affected mine
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (dhZog)
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I will say again . . . No matter ones political affiliation, we will witness whether one man can defeat Wall Street, the Media, Academia, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, the Democrat Party, the Republican Party and the Clinton global political machine. In other words, one man versus the corrupt American Ruling Class and its foreign allies.
Posted by: Locke Common at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (I6Am+)
187
The only other candidate with a shot at the WH wants to throw open the gates and give illegals obamacare. Choose.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (kTF2Z)
188
i think i'm gonna wait till he formally presents his immigration plan before I lambast him for reneging on his promises
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (c6/9Q)
well your rational, don't have an axe to grind, and are probably not 21 years old
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (c6/9Q)
well your rational, don't have an axe to grind, and are probably not 21 years old
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:53 PM (Ozsfq)
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Get Hildebeast out of the way once and for all. Deal with Trump later if necessary.
One tyrant at a time.
Get Hildebeast out of the way once and for all. Deal with Trump later if necessary.
One tyrant at a time.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 23, 2016 07:53 PM (piHZw)
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At one point, O'Reilly asked Trump about expanding the court system
to adjudicate all of these cases and setting up detention centers to
house people as they wait for their immigration cases to be heard. Trump
quickly batted down the suggestion that he would house people in
detention centers.
"You
don't have to put them in a detention center," Trump said. "Bill,
you're the first one to mention 'detention center.' You don't have to
put them in a detention center ... I'm not going to put them in a
detention center. No."
So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ? Even I think that's dumb.
At one point, O'Reilly asked Trump about expanding the court system
to adjudicate all of these cases and setting up detention centers to
house people as they wait for their immigration cases to be heard. Trump
quickly batted down the suggestion that he would house people in
detention centers.
"You
don't have to put them in a detention center," Trump said. "Bill,
you're the first one to mention 'detention center.' You don't have to
put them in a detention center ... I'm not going to put them in a
detention center. No."
So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ? Even I think that's dumb.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:53 PM (5p18q)
191
I'm still voting for him, even though he's an awful candidate. Hillary is much worse. We won't get a wall, or anything else he promised. Color me shocked
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2016 07:54 PM (bc7LP)
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From the parody RINO Twitter account, Asian Conservative Man, some apropos Tweets:
True Conservatives don't ask about the cost, in lives & money, of proposed neocon ventures abroad. But we demand specifics for Trump's wall.
A policy that requires specific details: Train more ICE officers
A policy that requires no details at all: Train the next terrorist army
A policy that requires specific details: Remove illegal aliens
A policy that requires no details at all: Remove a foreign leader from power
A policy that requires specific details: Build a wall to prevent invasion
A policy that requires no details at all: Invade another nation
True Conservatives don't ask about the cost, in lives & money, of proposed neocon ventures abroad. But we demand specifics for Trump's wall.
A policy that requires specific details: Train more ICE officers
A policy that requires no details at all: Train the next terrorist army
A policy that requires specific details: Remove illegal aliens
A policy that requires no details at all: Remove a foreign leader from power
A policy that requires specific details: Build a wall to prevent invasion
A policy that requires no details at all: Invade another nation
Posted by: andycanuck at August 23, 2016 07:54 PM (LdMbv)
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How are people not bothered by the waffling? Isn't this exactly what we despise in the establishment hacks?
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (g9d8D)
I've long since come to the conclusion that the Trump wing of the party opposed the GOPe for entirely different reasons than the Cruz wing of the party.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM (g9d8D)
I've long since come to the conclusion that the Trump wing of the party opposed the GOPe for entirely different reasons than the Cruz wing of the party.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 07:54 PM (egK2C)
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Jane D'oh! How goes it with the BP meds?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (5p18q)
195
I'm just hoping Octavian murders my enemies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (rwI+c)
196
>>>Maybe we should just talk about sex. That's a safe subject. Right?
On the advice of my attorney, I think it's best I avoid this topic...
On the advice of my attorney, I think it's best I avoid this topic...
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (0G1TT)
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So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ? Even I think that's dumb.
Posted by: chemjeff
Oh please, you'd be screaming bloody murder if he talked about putting them in "camps".
This act of being outraged at whatever answer he gives is getting old.
Your concern is noted.
So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ? Even I think that's dumb.
Posted by: chemjeff
Oh please, you'd be screaming bloody murder if he talked about putting them in "camps".
This act of being outraged at whatever answer he gives is getting old.
Your concern is noted.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (dhZog)
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i think i'm gonna wait till he formally presents his immigration plan before I lambast him for reneging on his promises
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (c6/9Q)
-----------
This is a good attitude to take... except to this point, not a single person who currently supports Trump has taken it. Not one.
Everyone who thinks that Trump's going to be great on immigration is basing that on informal assertions. Every single one.
I think you should have a talk with the people who are certain that Trump's going to be great on immigration. They need to learn to wait until they get a formal proposal. And you're just the guy to teach them.
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 07:50 PM (c6/9Q)
-----------
This is a good attitude to take... except to this point, not a single person who currently supports Trump has taken it. Not one.
Everyone who thinks that Trump's going to be great on immigration is basing that on informal assertions. Every single one.
I think you should have a talk with the people who are certain that Trump's going to be great on immigration. They need to learn to wait until they get a formal proposal. And you're just the guy to teach them.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (I7SKu)
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Deporting between 11 and 18 million would be logistically impossible.
Posted by: Old Blue
wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
2 million, which as a percentage of the population is about 5 million today.
Without modern transportation, communication or information networks.
Deporting between 11 and 18 million would be logistically impossible.
Posted by: Old Blue
wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
2 million, which as a percentage of the population is about 5 million today.
Without modern transportation, communication or information networks.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (kdS6q)
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Trump could have his own private email server, get US servicemen killed all over the globe, get payola to give favors to foreign big shots and have women raped from Arkansas to Chicago, light his hair piece on fire while eating a live baby in Times Square and I will still vote for him early and often.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (ej1L0)
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I have no recollection of the dinner conversation with Donald Trump.
And I certainly don't remember advising him to eff over his voting base on deportation.
And I certainly don't remember advising him to eff over his voting base on deportation.
Posted by: Colin Powell at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (PL2OL)
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As long as Trump can open a jar of pickles I'm good.
That's the new standard of fitness for office, right?
That's the new standard of fitness for office, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (NOIQH)
203
Sorry, Washpo, I'm going to need a direct quote not your musings on what he said. I see the one on the "bad ones", I see editing on the rest.
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2016 07:56 PM (eSQgj)
204
How is a post written with words like this "lacking spaces"?
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 07:56 PM (LQb5m)
205
What are you putting on the collard greens?
:::nonchalantly grips beer bottle by neck:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (0G1TT)
:readies laptop as a shield:
Onion, garlic, cracked pepper, & a local hot sauce. Serving with breaded chicken & mashed potatoes.
:::nonchalantly grips beer bottle by neck:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 07:51 PM (0G1TT)
:readies laptop as a shield:
Onion, garlic, cracked pepper, & a local hot sauce. Serving with breaded chicken & mashed potatoes.
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:56 PM (7qAYi)
206
This is a good attitude to take... except to this point, not a single person who currently supports Trump has taken it. Not one.
Everyone who thinks that Trump's going to be great on immigration is basing that on informal assertions. Every single one.
I think you should have a talk with the people who are certain that Trump's going to be great on immigration. They need to learn to wait until they get a formal proposal. And you're just the guy to teach them.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (I7SKu)
That's not true, many of us have been saying that all along
Everyone who thinks that Trump's going to be great on immigration is basing that on informal assertions. Every single one.
I think you should have a talk with the people who are certain that Trump's going to be great on immigration. They need to learn to wait until they get a formal proposal. And you're just the guy to teach them.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 23, 2016 07:55 PM (I7SKu)
That's not true, many of us have been saying that all along
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 07:56 PM (Ozsfq)
207
Stop giving out free stuff, enforce existing laws and the problems will go home or be arrested.
Posted by: gNewt....panhandlers never seem to not have their hands out ~ at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (dRRmR)
208
So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ? Even I think that's dumb.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:53 PM (5p18q)
Where are these mythical detention centers? As i understand it the ones we have are already over flowing
So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ? Even I think that's dumb.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:53 PM (5p18q)
Where are these mythical detention centers? As i understand it the ones we have are already over flowing
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (lKyWE)
209
"As long as he lets the hot latina milfs stay, I'm all good."
The problem with the whole MILF concept when discussing immigrant Latinas is how many of them are embarked on the M part while still themselves not yet out of their middle teen years. Yikes.
The problem with the whole MILF concept when discussing immigrant Latinas is how many of them are embarked on the M part while still themselves not yet out of their middle teen years. Yikes.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (noWW6)
210
Listen up hairball. I've got a restraining order so airtight that if you dream about me I'm legally permitted to murder you in your sleep.
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf)
Who knew you were related to the Clintons... because I thought only they got away with murdering people like that...
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf)
Who knew you were related to the Clintons... because I thought only they got away with murdering people like that...
Posted by: Don Q. at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (qf6WZ)
211
Sorry, Washpo, I'm going to need a direct quote not your musings on what he said. I see the one on the "bad ones", I see editing on the rest.
Posted by: dagny
I really can't find a single thing in that article beyond the writer's speculation.
Posted by: dagny
I really can't find a single thing in that article beyond the writer's speculation.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (dhZog)
212
Hillary blames a black man in a racist attempt to justify and normalize her crimes.
Allahpundit writes about a Washington Post article in which they declare he is lying to his voters about immigration.
Interesting ......
Allahpundit writes about a Washington Post article in which they declare he is lying to his voters about immigration.
Interesting ......
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (CV0nS)
213
Self deportation works when the benefits are cut. Pandering is fine with me. I'm used to it. It sure beats handing out soccer balls at the border.
I'd also like to add that I was asked to fill out a survey on how his campaign is run and what I would do different. The questions were a helluva lot more involved than the GOP's "Do you agree with Obama's liberal agenda?" Send money now.
I'd also like to add that I was asked to fill out a survey on how his campaign is run and what I would do different. The questions were a helluva lot more involved than the GOP's "Do you agree with Obama's liberal agenda?" Send money now.
Posted by: ryukyu at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (960oq)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (ptqRm)
215
Having collard greens with dinner. Is that going to offend anyone?
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM
I think you mean greens of collar.
Having collard greens with dinner. Is that going to offend anyone?
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:47 PM
I think you mean greens of collar.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (eSQgj)
217
We can be pretty sure that no matter how much Trump gives in--or appears to give in--he has a motivation to be more border-friendly than we can ever expect from Hillary.
I was pretty sure that Trump was going to move left in the general, and I tried to explain that to Trumpers all along. But, if this has any legs, we're finally met with that worst of circumstances: Trump is a better bet than Hillary.
It sucks that we have to choose between them and never-heard-of-rights-of-religious-conscience (although the court-substituted conscience for free exercise on the sly long ago--people are painfully ignorant of what Jefferson's un-ratified letter said.) "liber"(al)tarians, who know the Constitution about as well as I know Twilight.
I was pretty sure that Trump was going to move left in the general, and I tried to explain that to Trumpers all along. But, if this has any legs, we're finally met with that worst of circumstances: Trump is a better bet than Hillary.
It sucks that we have to choose between them and never-heard-of-rights-of-religious-conscience (although the court-substituted conscience for free exercise on the sly long ago--people are painfully ignorant of what Jefferson's un-ratified letter said.) "liber"(al)tarians, who know the Constitution about as well as I know Twilight.
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 07:58 PM (LQb5m)
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know what Trump's current position is and how if differs from what he said before. This I do know. however. whatever positions people like about Trump (and I never thought he would deport all illegals or expected him to) every leftist media outlook will put out information saying "Trump won't do such and such" between now and the election. It's a way to depress votes. Hillary is a money laundering serial liar who sold out American interests and left people to die in Benghazi. I believe that she or Bill or both have a hit squad to kill off people who makes things difficult for them. I'd vote for road kill possum before i voted for Hillary, because I don't think Trump is evil-just a blowhard narcissist who's not completely clean
Desperate attempt to distract from the Clinton emails and foundation, nothing more, nothing less. And I guess another mating call to the nevertrumpers.
Desperate attempt to distract from the Clinton emails and foundation, nothing more, nothing less. And I guess another mating call to the nevertrumpers.
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 07:58 PM (ru2SK)
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This is not the first time Trump has completely flipped on this. But of course we don't actually want the president to have the unilateral power to do this. The media and the left are going to portray Trump in the worst light possible regardless.
Posted by: IanDeal at August 23, 2016 07:58 PM (teGBX)
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Breaking news: Donald Trump has walked back his plans to have the military gun down every woman and child they see illegally crossing the border.
Posted by: Washington Post at August 23, 2016 07:58 PM (pRnS9)
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"Without modern transportation, communication or information networks."
Nor today's courts, the MSM, social media, immigrant rights groups...
Nor today's courts, the MSM, social media, immigrant rights groups...
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 07:58 PM (fn3+8)
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I notice that NRO has decided to take a bash-Trump vacation day for once and focus on the witch and her steaming cauldron.
Posted by: Caliban at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (3GFMN)
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182 Maybe we should just talk about sex. That's a safe subject. Right?
Posted by: Jewells45 at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (CNHr1)
Let's talk about sex baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be
Let's talk about sex
Let's talk about sex!
Posted by: Jewells45 at August 23, 2016 07:52 PM (CNHr1)
Let's talk about sex baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be
Let's talk about sex
Let's talk about sex!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (0mRoj)
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I really can't find a single thing in that article beyond the writer's speculation.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (dhZog)
I don't see it either, and as one who has been badly quoted/spliced/twisted BY the Washpo, don't believe a word they say that's not a direct quote and demand to hear the audio.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 07:57 PM (dhZog)
I don't see it either, and as one who has been badly quoted/spliced/twisted BY the Washpo, don't believe a word they say that's not a direct quote and demand to hear the audio.
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (eSQgj)
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You loser/racist/asshole/philatelists need to shut up and silently accept my narrative. My narrative is that short fat bald guys are extremely sexy. ACCEPT IT!!
Anyone who disagrees can lick my sweaty (and, I'm guessing, bulging) taint.
Anyone who disagrees can lick my sweaty (and, I'm guessing, bulging) taint.
Posted by: irright at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (XfEYT)
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210 Listen up hairball. I've got a restraining order so airtight that if you dream about me I'm legally permitted to murder you in your sleep.
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf
Winona said airtight!!!
Posted by: Winona Ryder at August 23, 2016 07:39 PM (mgbwf
Winona said airtight!!!
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (CV0nS)
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I'VE GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH YOU PEOPLE!
Posted by: Frank Costanza at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (CH3GY)
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I don't actually give a rats ass, still gonna pull the lever for him in November. 'Nuff said.
#NeverHillary
#NeverHillary
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: wooga, in California at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (jbO2E)
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So evidently Trump is now in favor of catch-and-release ?
It was IMAO who designed the catapult for throwing them home. With that plan, no detention would be necessary, merely transport to trebuchet range.
No crossbows, though.
It was IMAO who designed the catapult for throwing them home. With that plan, no detention would be necessary, merely transport to trebuchet range.
No crossbows, though.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (tIja6)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (kdS6q)
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Desperate attempt to distract from the Clinton emails and foundation, nothing more, nothing less.
Good point.
Good point.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (6HqlZ)
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>>Hillary blames a black man in a racist attempt to justify and normalize her crimes.
Did you also notice that the press is suddenly very interested in people being held accountable for telling lies....about a drunken night in Rio in which a gas station may or may not have been vandalized?
Did you also notice that the press is suddenly very interested in people being held accountable for telling lies....about a drunken night in Rio in which a gas station may or may not have been vandalized?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (NOIQH)
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>>Pick one.
>>It's still that simple.
It's been that simple for quite a few elections now. I don't ever remember a time when the old "shut up and get in line" worked very well on the right side of the aisle. Particularly here.
The hate for McCain and Romney was pretty raw long after the nomination was done.
>>It's still that simple.
It's been that simple for quite a few elections now. I don't ever remember a time when the old "shut up and get in line" worked very well on the right side of the aisle. Particularly here.
The hate for McCain and Romney was pretty raw long after the nomination was done.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (/tuJf)
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"The problem with the whole MILF concept when discussing immigrant
Latinas is how many of them are embarked on the M part while still
themselves not yet out of their middle teen years. Yikes."
How does it compare to whites of the same economic status?
Latinas is how many of them are embarked on the M part while still
themselves not yet out of their middle teen years. Yikes."
How does it compare to whites of the same economic status?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (fn3+8)
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The hate for McCain and Romney was pretty raw long after the nomination was done.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (/tuJf)
Did DrewM ever come around and say if he voted for Romney or not? I cannot recall.
The hate for McCain and Romney was pretty raw long after the nomination was done.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:00 PM (/tuJf)
Did DrewM ever come around and say if he voted for Romney or not? I cannot recall.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (5p18q)
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The thought had occurred to me. That's why I say, clarity is easy. If it came from them, all he has to do is send out his proxies to say clearly, "they will all be deported". But that's not what we're hearing. We're hearing equivocation and hedging. That always means one thing.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:44 PM (LAe3v)
Where in his policy does it state that all illegal aliens will be forcibly deported through some specially created deportation force for this purpose? As far as I can tell, this is the claim that the media is making.
Now, do I believe Trump has been vague on this? Yes, probably intentionally too. He says, "Ike deported a few million", "We need to enforce our laws", "There will be a big beautiful door for the good ones after they leave". What does that mean? It depends on the listener obviously. And I'll admit that Trump was probably more than happy to let some ambiguity remain.
I, for one, have always interpreted his position as someone who does not want to address any questions of legal status until the priorities of border enforcement, deportation of criminals, and sanctuary cities are dealt with. In other words, non-comprehensive reforms (reforms, at least in relative terms to what is happening today although much of this can be accomplished without legislation).
Beyond that, I suspect - but do not know for a fact - that he intends to use other mechanisms short of physical roundups to induce self-deportation (eVerify, denial of benefits, etc.). I also guess that he will take some subset (aka "the good ones") and give them some sort of worker/non-citizen status through a touchback or touchback like program. These are just guesses though. I also would not be shocked if he requires fees to be paid and applies these to the costs of the wall.
Again, the idea of mass physical deportation through a coercive force of human law enforcement is not spelled out the way the media originally (and even his competitors with their "jackboots" comparisons) cast his position, which has remained (and yes, that Trump has allowed to remain until now).
I'm willing to wait to hear what he has to say.
Posted by: pep at August 23, 2016 07:44 PM (LAe3v)
Where in his policy does it state that all illegal aliens will be forcibly deported through some specially created deportation force for this purpose? As far as I can tell, this is the claim that the media is making.
Now, do I believe Trump has been vague on this? Yes, probably intentionally too. He says, "Ike deported a few million", "We need to enforce our laws", "There will be a big beautiful door for the good ones after they leave". What does that mean? It depends on the listener obviously. And I'll admit that Trump was probably more than happy to let some ambiguity remain.
I, for one, have always interpreted his position as someone who does not want to address any questions of legal status until the priorities of border enforcement, deportation of criminals, and sanctuary cities are dealt with. In other words, non-comprehensive reforms (reforms, at least in relative terms to what is happening today although much of this can be accomplished without legislation).
Beyond that, I suspect - but do not know for a fact - that he intends to use other mechanisms short of physical roundups to induce self-deportation (eVerify, denial of benefits, etc.). I also guess that he will take some subset (aka "the good ones") and give them some sort of worker/non-citizen status through a touchback or touchback like program. These are just guesses though. I also would not be shocked if he requires fees to be paid and applies these to the costs of the wall.
Again, the idea of mass physical deportation through a coercive force of human law enforcement is not spelled out the way the media originally (and even his competitors with their "jackboots" comparisons) cast his position, which has remained (and yes, that Trump has allowed to remain until now).
I'm willing to wait to hear what he has to say.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (0sLvz)
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During ww2 we managed to transport 8mil plus men, their arms and equipment around the planet . And now moving 20 million illegals is an impossibility . OK
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (7Awbj)
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>>>Onion, garlic, cracked pepper, & a local hot sauce. Serving with breaded chicken & mashed potatoes.
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:56 PM (7qAYi)
:::salivates:::
Beverage??
Posted by: josephistan at August 23, 2016 07:56 PM (7qAYi)
:::salivates:::
Beverage??
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (0G1TT)
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In these trying times, everyone should take a breath, take a moment, and contemplate robot brothels.
http://tinyurl.com/z4subuz
http://tinyurl.com/z4subuz
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 23, 2016 08:02 PM (Nwg0u)
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>>Let's talk about sex baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be
Let's talk about sex
Let's talk about sex!
Ah, push it
Push it good
Ah, push it
Push it real good
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be
Let's talk about sex
Let's talk about sex!
Ah, push it
Push it good
Ah, push it
Push it real good
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 08:02 PM (NOIQH)
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Can you imagine how bad it would look if Trump started talking about large detention camps for illegal aliens?
I never thought that was on the table anyway.
Out of time, but I'll miss the gnashing of teeth from people who hated Trump for being too tough on the border now gnashing their teeth at him moderating his "fascist" position on border security.
I never thought that was on the table anyway.
Out of time, but I'll miss the gnashing of teeth from people who hated Trump for being too tough on the border now gnashing their teeth at him moderating his "fascist" position on border security.
Posted by: Maritime at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (dhZog)
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During ww2 we managed to transport 8mil plus men, their arms and equipment around the planet . And now moving 20 million illegals is an impossibility . OK
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (7Awbj)
The 8 million men weren't going to court to stop it
During ww2 we managed to transport 8mil plus men, their arms and equipment around the planet . And now moving 20 million illegals is an impossibility . OK
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (7Awbj)
The 8 million men weren't going to court to stop it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (lKyWE)
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I, for one, have always interpreted his position as someone who does not
want to address any questions of legal status until the priorities of
border enforcement, deportation of criminals, and sanctuary cities are
dealt with. In other words, non-comprehensive reforms (reforms, at
least in relative terms to what is happening today although much of this
can be accomplished without legislation).
Congratulations, you have successfully described Rubio's post-Gang-of-8 position.
want to address any questions of legal status until the priorities of
border enforcement, deportation of criminals, and sanctuary cities are
dealt with. In other words, non-comprehensive reforms (reforms, at
least in relative terms to what is happening today although much of this
can be accomplished without legislation).
Congratulations, you have successfully described Rubio's post-Gang-of-8 position.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (5p18q)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (+eR2D)
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WTF is Trump doing in TX?
Posted by: UGH at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (TwnkX)
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192 From the parody RINO Twitter account, Asian Conservative Man, some apropos Tweets:
True Conservatives don't ask about the cost, in lives & money, of proposed neocon ventures abroad. But we demand specifics for Trump's wall.
A policy that requires specific details: Train more ICE officers
A policy that requires no details at all: Train the next terrorist army
A policy that requires specific details: Remove illegal aliens
A policy that requires no details at all: Remove a foreign leader from power
A policy that requires specific details: Build a wall to prevent invasion
A policy that requires no details at all: Invade another nation
Posted by: andycanuck at August 23, 2016 07:54 PM (LdMbv)
That there is Gold!
True Conservatives don't ask about the cost, in lives & money, of proposed neocon ventures abroad. But we demand specifics for Trump's wall.
A policy that requires specific details: Train more ICE officers
A policy that requires no details at all: Train the next terrorist army
A policy that requires specific details: Remove illegal aliens
A policy that requires no details at all: Remove a foreign leader from power
A policy that requires specific details: Build a wall to prevent invasion
A policy that requires no details at all: Invade another nation
Posted by: andycanuck at August 23, 2016 07:54 PM (LdMbv)
That there is Gold!
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:04 PM (CV0nS)
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#NeverHillary
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (Z8DIA)
Right on Brother Rat!, right on!
#NeverHillary
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 23, 2016 07:59 PM (Z8DIA)
Right on Brother Rat!, right on!
#NeverHillary
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 23, 2016 08:04 PM (ej1L0)
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"I'd vote for road kill possum before i voted for Hillary"
I thought the animal sympathy vote would easily put me over the top in the early primary states. But no, I never got traction with the voters no matter now many times I played the non-human card.
Now, though, people are talking up this damn _possum_.
And the dead gorilla! Can you believe it!
I was ahead of my time. Unrecognized genius.
I thought the animal sympathy vote would easily put me over the top in the early primary states. But no, I never got traction with the voters no matter now many times I played the non-human card.
Now, though, people are talking up this damn _possum_.
And the dead gorilla! Can you believe it!
I was ahead of my time. Unrecognized genius.
Posted by: Mange Infested Hyena at August 23, 2016 08:04 PM (noWW6)
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Et tu, Trumpus?
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 23, 2016 08:04 PM (g6yUI)
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We learned yesterday that Hope Solo's ahole need coarse threaded bung nuts, not fine threaded. Please make a note of this.
We learned yesterday that Hope Solo's ahole need coarse threaded bung nuts, not fine threaded. Please make a note of this.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 08:04 PM (qul7b)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (lKyWE)
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246 WTF is Trump doing in TX?
Posted by: UGH at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (TwnkX
Banging his hot wife and flying in a private jet.
Jealous?
Posted by: UGH at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (TwnkX
Banging his hot wife and flying in a private jet.
Jealous?
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (CV0nS)
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6 It shouldn't be so complicated - E-Verify, fine and jail business owners who give illegals jobs, no welfare for illegals - none - no public housing vouchers - none - tax the shit out of remittances to ALL other countries (to be fair) - offer free transportation back to home country.
Problem solved.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 23, 2016 07:19 PM (m40v5)
That and eliminate automatic citizenship for babies born to illegals.
Oh, and start a bracero program. People who meet the qualifications can come and work here but there is no path to citizenship. Enforce the Bracero program on those already living here but who haven't committed crimes.
As a Texan who has known many, many illegals throughout the years and who has seen enough of Mexico and Central America to know that they're horrible places, I have a lot of sympathy for illegals. However, sympathy and basic human decency does not mean granting citizenship to anyone who comes here.
Problem solved.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 23, 2016 07:19 PM (m40v5)
That and eliminate automatic citizenship for babies born to illegals.
Oh, and start a bracero program. People who meet the qualifications can come and work here but there is no path to citizenship. Enforce the Bracero program on those already living here but who haven't committed crimes.
As a Texan who has known many, many illegals throughout the years and who has seen enough of Mexico and Central America to know that they're horrible places, I have a lot of sympathy for illegals. However, sympathy and basic human decency does not mean granting citizenship to anyone who comes here.
Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (nvMvs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (Ozsfq)
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WTF is Trump doing in TX?
Posted by: UGH at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (TwnkX)
you don't approve ?
Posted by: UGH at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (TwnkX)
you don't approve ?
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (c6/9Q)
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Breaking news: Donald Trump has walked back his plans to have the military gun down every woman and child they see illegally crossing the border.
Posted by: Washington Post
Trump waffles on pledge to send American U-Boats to sink Mexican cruise ships.
Posted by: The New York Times
Breaking news: Donald Trump has walked back his plans to have the military gun down every woman and child they see illegally crossing the border.
Posted by: Washington Post
Trump waffles on pledge to send American U-Boats to sink Mexican cruise ships.
Posted by: The New York Times
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (kdS6q)
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I disagree with Ace and AP. Considering that his radical Islam speech and his "what do blacks have to lose" speech got things fired up, and Rubio and Jeb LOST mostly over being panty waists about immigration, i don't think he's going to shoot himself in the foot now by backtracking too far.
Posted by: hurricane567 at August 23, 2016 08:06 PM (6pyoI)
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At this point where the choice is Hillary vs Trump I don't care what he says. Voting for him is a vote to punish politics as usual. The tears from Washington and Clinton Foundation pay for play donors will be so sweet if he wins. Though that last part may already be impossible with the tilt on the playing field.
Posted by: Willy J. at August 23, 2016 08:06 PM (CDowr)
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>>Did DrewM ever come around and say if he voted for Romney or not? I cannot recall.
Last I saw he was holding out for the real True Conservative, Newt.
Last I saw he was holding out for the real True Conservative, Newt.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:06 PM (/tuJf)
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WTF is Trump doing in TX?
Not taking any state for granted. I am rather amazed at his stamina actually. It's quite contrast to missing Hillary.
Not taking any state for granted. I am rather amazed at his stamina actually. It's quite contrast to missing Hillary.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 08:06 PM (6HqlZ)
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really, are the nevertrumpers page clicks worth more than others? The article is devoid of information, and the speech was delayed so they could work out specifics. What is the point of the hand-wringing?
again, he met with border patrol agents today in Austin. They are a large part of his support. It's probably smart to figure out details before he does a big policy speech. Bonus points if Hillary shows her ass in her big "alt-right" speech first too.
again, he met with border patrol agents today in Austin. They are a large part of his support. It's probably smart to figure out details before he does a big policy speech. Bonus points if Hillary shows her ass in her big "alt-right" speech first too.
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 08:06 PM (ru2SK)
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243
During ww2 we managed to transport 8mil plus men, their arms and equipment around the planet . And now moving 20 million illegals is an impossibility . OK
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (7Awbj)
The 8 million men weren't going to court to stop it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (lKyWE)
Harry Truman deported 6 million illegal aliens.
Ike deported 5 million.
Both at a time when the total American population was less than half of what it is today.
And forgetting the people crossing from Mexico, we have several million people here who have violated their visa requirements.
We don't have to round up everyone all at once and ship them out.
We have to enforce the laws already on our books, cut off all benefits and severely punish anyone who knowingly employs illegal aliens.
The problem will solve itself within 2 years.
We know that both Democrat and GOP-e parties do not want this for differing reasons.
If Mr. Trump can be blunt about Black America and its problem, why can he not just state what I just did and stick to it?
During ww2 we managed to transport 8mil plus men, their arms and equipment around the planet . And now moving 20 million illegals is an impossibility . OK
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:01 PM (7Awbj)
The 8 million men weren't going to court to stop it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 23, 2016 08:03 PM (lKyWE)
Harry Truman deported 6 million illegal aliens.
Ike deported 5 million.
Both at a time when the total American population was less than half of what it is today.
And forgetting the people crossing from Mexico, we have several million people here who have violated their visa requirements.
We don't have to round up everyone all at once and ship them out.
We have to enforce the laws already on our books, cut off all benefits and severely punish anyone who knowingly employs illegal aliens.
The problem will solve itself within 2 years.
We know that both Democrat and GOP-e parties do not want this for differing reasons.
If Mr. Trump can be blunt about Black America and its problem, why can he not just state what I just did and stick to it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 23, 2016 08:07 PM (9P3OG)
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Monday on Fox News, Trump: "As far as everybody else, we're going to go through the process....What people don't know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country. Bush, the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I'm going to do the same thing."
http://tinyurl.com/bugugabugaboo
http://tinyurl.com/bugugabugaboo
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:07 PM (LQb5m)
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If the whole point of this is to "win" the election, and policy positions really don't matter at all, then why didn't we run Kasich, or Rubio?
I thought that the whole raison d'etre for supporting Trump was his hardline touchback amnesty position?
Its too late now. We're stuck with him, I guess.
I thought that the whole raison d'etre for supporting Trump was his hardline touchback amnesty position?
Its too late now. We're stuck with him, I guess.
Posted by: Revenant at August 23, 2016 08:07 PM (3DSAh)
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I am shocked! Shocked!
No but seriously these immigrants are going to burn blue cities to the ground. Yet another job us americans wont do.
I would happily trade one hispanic family with a job and family for any Democrat wo one.
No but seriously these immigrants are going to burn blue cities to the ground. Yet another job us americans wont do.
I would happily trade one hispanic family with a job and family for any Democrat wo one.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 23, 2016 08:07 PM (L/Ec6)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2016 08:08 PM (bc7LP)
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I've made no secret of my contempt for Trump, and IF he backtracks on this I won't be in the least surprised.
I'll vote for him only because Hillary is the end of us.
If he wins, I'll be realistic about what we just elected, and hope he somehow leaves office and turns it over to Pence.
Either Trump or Pence is a better scenario than Hillaroid or Kaine.
Just now saw the "Daisy" ad. On TV Land. That must be a pretty big ad buy to be hitting TV Land.
I'll vote for him only because Hillary is the end of us.
If he wins, I'll be realistic about what we just elected, and hope he somehow leaves office and turns it over to Pence.
Either Trump or Pence is a better scenario than Hillaroid or Kaine.
Just now saw the "Daisy" ad. On TV Land. That must be a pretty big ad buy to be hitting TV Land.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:08 PM (ozZau)
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These aren't the posters you're looking to ban.
These posters can go about their business.
Silently accept my Trump narrative.
These posters can go about their business.
Silently accept my Trump narrative.
Posted by: Old Ben Kenobi at August 23, 2016 08:08 PM (PL2OL)
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Trump could eat a live cat at the first debate and still be more acceptable than the Corrupt Colostomy Bag Wearing Kim Jung Un's Pajamas.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 23, 2016 08:08 PM (EUMr7)
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choice is Hillary vs Trump I don't care what he says. Voting for him is a vote to punish politics as usual. The tears from Washington and Clinton Foundation pay for play donors will be so sweet if he wins. Though that last part may already be impossible with the tilt on the playing field.
Toss in the neocons and Mitt Romney's tears, and that's why I am here.
Toss in the neocons and Mitt Romney's tears, and that's why I am here.
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 08:09 PM (ru2SK)
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Got the feeling the ban-hammer is at the ready by now.
So who wants to bet on the number of bannings that will result from this thread? I'm gonna say 4 and take the over. Who's in?
So who wants to bet on the number of bannings that will result from this thread? I'm gonna say 4 and take the over. Who's in?
Posted by: DocJ at August 23, 2016 08:09 PM (5Nr9V)
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I voted for Dole. I voted for Bush x2, I voted for McCain, I voted for Romney. I'll vote for Trump.
Fuck, I'd vote for any POS the R party put up to keep that fucking non-cocksucking commie whorebag mentally-challenged bitch out of the White House.
Fuck, I'd vote for any POS the R party put up to keep that fucking non-cocksucking commie whorebag mentally-challenged bitch out of the White House.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:09 PM (+eR2D)
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The 8 million had to be trained ,fed ,housed, and supplied with the tech of the era . Huge task .
We have to put 12 million third world peasants on a bus .
Surely our so called judicial system can find a work around .
We have to put 12 million third world peasants on a bus .
Surely our so called judicial system can find a work around .
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:09 PM (7Awbj)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (6HqlZ)
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who got banned today ?
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (c6/9Q)
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Got the feeling the ban-hammer is at the ready by now.
So who wants to bet on the number of bannings that will result from this thread? I'm gonna say 4 and take the over. Who's in?
Posted by: DocJ at August 23, 2016 08:09 PM (5Nr9V)
Nah it's actually very mild. people are on their best behavior and no one is taking the bait.
So who wants to bet on the number of bannings that will result from this thread? I'm gonna say 4 and take the over. Who's in?
Posted by: DocJ at August 23, 2016 08:09 PM (5Nr9V)
Nah it's actually very mild. people are on their best behavior and no one is taking the bait.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (Ozsfq)
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Saw another Trump lawn sign today. Still nothing with Hillary's (spit) name on it - for or agin.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (CFc5L)
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So, who's rushing out to see the Obama movie?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (bc7LP)
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The hate for McCain and Romney was pretty raw long after the nomination was done.
My hate for them grows stronger with time.
My hate for them grows stronger with time.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (rwI+c)
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Obama finally made it to Louisiana today, Baton Rouge specifically. Met with Alton Sterling's parents amongst other things.
Posted by: Javems at August 23, 2016 08:11 PM (yOqwj)
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How can the man be so easily swayed as to flip-flop so dramatically? Doesn't he know that it was his position on immigration, and foreigners generally, that won him the nomination? Perhaps it is because he really does believe that people are voting for Trump the person, and not for his policies.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:11 PM (5p18q)
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Doesn't matter whom you are voting for.
The EnShlonging will ensue.
Prepare yourself however you think appropriate.
Doesn't matter whom you are voting for.
The EnShlonging will ensue.
Prepare yourself however you think appropriate.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 08:11 PM (qul7b)
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Maybe this is just a test. He's not on a leash like Jeb. He may come to his senses.
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 23, 2016 08:12 PM (g6yUI)
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>>So, who's rushing out to see the Obama movie?
I may just hold off until the other young Obama movie, "Barry," comes out. All about his time in NYC at Columbia.
*sighs like a tween New Direction superfan*
I may just hold off until the other young Obama movie, "Barry," comes out. All about his time in NYC at Columbia.
*sighs like a tween New Direction superfan*
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 08:12 PM (NOIQH)
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Divine Providence left to go get smokes at the corner store and isn't coming back.
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Divine Providence has been repeatedly told in no uncertain terms He wasn't welcome round these parts, He's just giving this country what it's chosen.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (3Liv/)
Ye of little faith.
I'll have enough to explain to Jesus without voting for the Donald. I can't in good conscience vote for a guy who wants a) single-payer healthcare b) nationalized banks c) seems to think he can order companies back to the US or keep them from leaving.
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Divine Providence has been repeatedly told in no uncertain terms He wasn't welcome round these parts, He's just giving this country what it's chosen.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 23, 2016 07:37 PM (3Liv/)
Ye of little faith.
I'll have enough to explain to Jesus without voting for the Donald. I can't in good conscience vote for a guy who wants a) single-payer healthcare b) nationalized banks c) seems to think he can order companies back to the US or keep them from leaving.
Posted by: RushBabe at August 23, 2016 08:12 PM (YeKKY)
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I guess trump really is a republican. I mean paying the political and cultural price for tough talk while surrendering on policy is epitome of post reagan republicans
Posted by: Shiggz at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (L/Ec6)
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@277 Nah it's actually very mild. people are on their best behavior and no one is taking the bait.
Heh - still plenty early yet. Let's see how it's going about 200-posts from now.
Heh - still plenty early yet. Let's see how it's going about 200-posts from now.
Posted by: DocJ at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (5Nr9V)
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Trump could eat a live cat at the first debate
Let me tell you something about eating live animals on stage...
Let me tell you something about eating live animals on stage...
Posted by: Ozzy Osbourne at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (5p18q)
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I'm still upset that he punched that little kid in the 'nads.
Posted by: Brad at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (MpnLF)
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"How does [the immigrant Latina teen pregnancy rate] compare to whites of the same economic status?"
Simply looking at the comparative rate for young Latinas of all economic strata blows the needle out of the meter.
"The rate of childbirth for Mexican teenagers, who come from by far the
largest and fastest-growing immigrant population, greatly outstrips
every other group. The Mexican teen birthrate is 93 births per every
1,000 girls, compared with 27 births for every 1,000 white girls, 17
births for every 1,000 Asian girls, and 65 births for every 1,000 black
girls."
Statistics drawn from Heather MacDonald's piece _Hispanic Family Values_, which puts paid to a whole lot of that "natural conservatives" crap, with hard actual realities about how much Hispanics adore and rely upon the welfare state.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7eacdx
(Link to _City Journal_, a relatively noncontroversial site.)
Simply looking at the comparative rate for young Latinas of all economic strata blows the needle out of the meter.
"The rate of childbirth for Mexican teenagers, who come from by far the
largest and fastest-growing immigrant population, greatly outstrips
every other group. The Mexican teen birthrate is 93 births per every
1,000 girls, compared with 27 births for every 1,000 white girls, 17
births for every 1,000 Asian girls, and 65 births for every 1,000 black
girls."
Statistics drawn from Heather MacDonald's piece _Hispanic Family Values_, which puts paid to a whole lot of that "natural conservatives" crap, with hard actual realities about how much Hispanics adore and rely upon the welfare state.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7eacdx
(Link to _City Journal_, a relatively noncontroversial site.)
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (noWW6)
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>>>Prepare yourself however you think appropriate.
:::puts thumbtack on wall map, checks chloroform stockpile:::
:::puts thumbtack on wall map, checks chloroform stockpile:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (0G1TT)
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Wyatt... I think I have some toe jam I need to remove.. so you know..kind of busy. Plus I am not a fan of throwing up which is a guarantee if I have to watch that drivel.
Posted by: Jewells45 at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (CNHr1)
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Good God, Chemjeff, you're over the edge, There is nothing in the article except the author's speculation. No wonder you're so confused all the time.
Posted by: dagny at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (eSQgj)
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Lizzy - I want to hear the story of Barry and Moochelle's love for the ages, and the birth of her bitchy resting face.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (bc7LP)
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people are on their best behavior and no one is taking the bait.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Nay, as they dare. I will bite my thumb at them;
which is a disgrace to them, if they bear it.
people are on their best behavior and no one is taking the bait.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Nay, as they dare. I will bite my thumb at them;
which is a disgrace to them, if they bear it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (kdS6q)
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" WTF is Trump doing in TX? "
He has some fundraisers, and they all come here for fundraisers, but usually no one campaigns here. Trump is holding a rally right now in Austin.
It may be because in TX he's only ahead by 6 in the last poll I saw. Any other Repub would be way ahead of that in TX.
I'm sure he'll take TX, but it shouldn't be this close.
He has some fundraisers, and they all come here for fundraisers, but usually no one campaigns here. Trump is holding a rally right now in Austin.
It may be because in TX he's only ahead by 6 in the last poll I saw. Any other Repub would be way ahead of that in TX.
I'm sure he'll take TX, but it shouldn't be this close.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (hhGDT)
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Plus I am not a fan of throwing up which is a guarantee if I have to watch that drivel.
Think of the weight we'll lose!
Think of the weight we'll lose!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 23, 2016 08:15 PM (bc7LP)
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I'm still upset that he punched that little kid in the 'nads.
Posted by: Brad at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (MpnLF)
and kept asking during the security briefing why we cant launch nukes on all our enemies
Posted by: Brad at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (MpnLF)
and kept asking during the security briefing why we cant launch nukes on all our enemies
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:15 PM (c6/9Q)
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So, who's rushing out to see the Obama movie?
The love story?? As if.
Now, if they included the bathhouse years, I'd consider.
The love story?? As if.
Now, if they included the bathhouse years, I'd consider.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:15 PM (1ZOkK)
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I'll have enough to explain to Jesus without voting for the Donald. I can't in good conscience vote for a guy who wants a) single-payer healthcare b) nationalized banks c) seems to think he can order companies back to the US or keep them from leaving.
I've often wondered whether Jesus prefers fixed or floating exchange rates.
I've often wondered whether Jesus prefers fixed or floating exchange rates.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 08:15 PM (rwI+c)
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#dicksoutforpivots
#dicksoutforpivots
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (hhGDT)
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Good for Trump. He knows how to play The Game.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (hhGDT)
Yes, clearly, this is 9-dimensional chess...
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (hhGDT)
Yes, clearly, this is 9-dimensional chess...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (5p18q)
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>>My hate for them grows stronger with time.
See?
So then why would anyone think that everyone is going to join hands around a guy like Trump who changes positions more often than I wear underwear?
Trump has gone from saying Romney was mean for his self-deportation policy, to having a deport EVERYONE!!! policy, to who the fuck knows what he plans to do policy in the course of one campaign. That's some pretty impressive flip flopping by anyone's standard.
As I've said all along, I'll vote for the douchebag because he isn't Hillary but don't expect me to believe a fucking word he says because he doesn't mean any of it.
See?
So then why would anyone think that everyone is going to join hands around a guy like Trump who changes positions more often than I wear underwear?
Trump has gone from saying Romney was mean for his self-deportation policy, to having a deport EVERYONE!!! policy, to who the fuck knows what he plans to do policy in the course of one campaign. That's some pretty impressive flip flopping by anyone's standard.
As I've said all along, I'll vote for the douchebag because he isn't Hillary but don't expect me to believe a fucking word he says because he doesn't mean any of it.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (/tuJf)
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all right: 'fess up...
which of you was this?
Airline staff caught with blow up doll in cockpit, spitting water in cabin...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3objectid=11699492
which of you was this?
Airline staff caught with blow up doll in cockpit, spitting water in cabin...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3objectid=11699492
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (rJpWp)
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I'm sure he'll take TX, but it shouldn't be this close.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (ozZau)
He's only up by 3 in Missouri.
AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (ozZau)
He's only up by 3 in Missouri.
AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q)
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I'm really looking forward to the next movie, "Barry" about his college years.
Who knows, at long last we may see his college transcripts?
Should be fun watching the actor portraying him doing blow and cuddling with his Pokeeeston "friend."
Who knows, at long last we may see his college transcripts?
Should be fun watching the actor portraying him doing blow and cuddling with his Pokeeeston "friend."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (1ZOkK)
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Meh - I'm not gonna have the vapours over the word "perhaps...in a WaPo article.
The only alternative is Hillary. Including two to three Scotus. And lots more.
Screw being a Debbie Downer.
The only alternative is Hillary. Including two to three Scotus. And lots more.
Screw being a Debbie Downer.
Posted by: Ed Anger at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (RcpcZ)
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LOL. I just saw the Selected list for O-4s and congratulated one of my Drs and he responds by thanking me and signing his name LCDR. I had to remind him he was selected not promoted.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (Ozsfq)
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Breaking news: Donald Trump has walked back his plans to have the military gun down every woman and child they see illegally crossing the border.
Posted by: Washington Post
Trump waffles on pledge to send American U-Boats to sink Mexican cruise ships.
Posted by: The New York Times
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (kdS6q)
LOl, agree completely. I don't see any of what Trump has said as being backtracking. What he is currently saying is rational and moreover realistic. What wasn't realistic and was NEVER uttered by Trump was that he was going to depart every single illegal living here, including parents of 3 year old children who were born here and would be snatched from momma's desperate arms as she was being dragged across the Rio Grande.
It's only the people who were shrieking that Trump was going to deport every Mexican living here, and let Mexico figure out if they were in the US illegally or not, that now are shrieking that he is backtracking on immigration and he is going to give amnesty to everyone who hasn't murdered at least four people .
Reasonable, thinking people have known all along that there is no way the gov. is going to be able to round up and put 11 M illegals in boxcars and ship them to Mexico, or stuff them in a cargo plane and fly them back to the ME. What the DO expect the gov to do is to follow it's exisiting laws, allow the border patrol to do it's job, stop encouraging people to come here illegally by offering them everything from free school to free health care to free food, and to finally get serious about passing a law that prohibits instant citizenship to any baby born here in the USA.(something that happens no where else on the planet).
Posted by: Washington Post
Trump waffles on pledge to send American U-Boats to sink Mexican cruise ships.
Posted by: The New York Times
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:05 PM (kdS6q)
LOl, agree completely. I don't see any of what Trump has said as being backtracking. What he is currently saying is rational and moreover realistic. What wasn't realistic and was NEVER uttered by Trump was that he was going to depart every single illegal living here, including parents of 3 year old children who were born here and would be snatched from momma's desperate arms as she was being dragged across the Rio Grande.
It's only the people who were shrieking that Trump was going to deport every Mexican living here, and let Mexico figure out if they were in the US illegally or not, that now are shrieking that he is backtracking on immigration and he is going to give amnesty to everyone who hasn't murdered at least four people .
Reasonable, thinking people have known all along that there is no way the gov. is going to be able to round up and put 11 M illegals in boxcars and ship them to Mexico, or stuff them in a cargo plane and fly them back to the ME. What the DO expect the gov to do is to follow it's exisiting laws, allow the border patrol to do it's job, stop encouraging people to come here illegally by offering them everything from free school to free health care to free food, and to finally get serious about passing a law that prohibits instant citizenship to any baby born here in the USA.(something that happens no where else on the planet).
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (aSpG0)
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Good God, Chemjeff, you're over the edge, There is nothing in the
article except the author's speculation. No wonder you're so confused
all the time.
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too much carbon in his diet.
Good God, Chemjeff, you're over the edge, There is nothing in the
article except the author's speculation. No wonder you're so confused
all the time.
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too much carbon in his diet.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (rJpWp)
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>>Lizzy - I want to hear the story of Barry and Moochelle's love for the ages, and the birth of her bitchy resting face.
LOL
For the second one, look no further than Michelle's mom. Yikes! Malia's inherited the RBF, too.
LOL
For the second one, look no further than Michelle's mom. Yikes! Malia's inherited the RBF, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (NOIQH)
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How can the man be so easily swayed as to flip-flop so dramatically? Doesn't he know that it was his position on immigration, and foreigners generally, that won him the nomination? Perhaps it is because he really does believe that people are voting for Trump the person, and not for his policies.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:11 PM (5p18q)
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Plus, the story came out during the primaries, he market-researched it. He listened--or had analysts listening--to conservative talk radio for like 2 years, to find what was popular among conservatives. He never had to believe the stuff he was selling, he just had to sell it. Now the product is before a more mixed market, and the appeal has to be broadened.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:11 PM (5p18q)
--
Plus, the story came out during the primaries, he market-researched it. He listened--or had analysts listening--to conservative talk radio for like 2 years, to find what was popular among conservatives. He never had to believe the stuff he was selling, he just had to sell it. Now the product is before a more mixed market, and the appeal has to be broadened.
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (LQb5m)
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Fucking Romney. He had one job.
We should be bitching about how much he disappointed us in his first term while ragging on anyone who says they aren't going to vote for him again.
We should be bitching about how much he disappointed us in his first term while ragging on anyone who says they aren't going to vote for him again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (rwI+c)
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306
all right: 'fess up...
which of you was this?
Airline staff caught with blow up doll in cockpit, spitting water in cabin...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3objectid=11699492
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (rJpWp)
Now we know what gerg has been up to, aside from fellating his girlfriend.
all right: 'fess up...
which of you was this?
Airline staff caught with blow up doll in cockpit, spitting water in cabin...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3objectid=11699492
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (rJpWp)
Now we know what gerg has been up to, aside from fellating his girlfriend.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (1ZOkK)
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I think I have some toe jam I need to remove.. so you know..kind of busy.
After that it's scrubbing tile grout.
And then learning Esperanto.
All more worthwhile activities than watching the Obumbles movie... ugh
After that it's scrubbing tile grout.
And then learning Esperanto.
All more worthwhile activities than watching the Obumbles movie... ugh
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:19 PM (5p18q)
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I'll vote for the douchebag because he isn't Hillary
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (/tuJf)
It's a tad to long for Bumper Sticker but I like it
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:16 PM (/tuJf)
It's a tad to long for Bumper Sticker but I like it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:19 PM (Ozsfq)
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Out of curiosity. Who really thought for a second that Trump would have deportation squads scouring the countryside.
He is going to follow the law and take them as they come. Build a wall to keep the prego mothers from hopping over to dropping a welp in the bush so we all have to take care of it for the next 50 years and to keep the gimpy ones out.
Follow the law in sending home those caught breaking the law and wala. We are back on the road to having a sane, organized immigration policy which is a far cry from the tragedy that the lawless pile of mung is today.
He is going to follow the law and take them as they come. Build a wall to keep the prego mothers from hopping over to dropping a welp in the bush so we all have to take care of it for the next 50 years and to keep the gimpy ones out.
Follow the law in sending home those caught breaking the law and wala. We are back on the road to having a sane, organized immigration policy which is a far cry from the tragedy that the lawless pile of mung is today.
Posted by: Drider at August 23, 2016 08:19 PM (6Xbsz)
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"As a Texan who has known many, many illegals throughout the years and
who has seen enough of Mexico and Central America to know that they're
horrible places, I have a lot of sympathy for illegals."
Me too. However, consider the fact that immigrants from those places are overwhelmingly likely, once given citizenship, to vote to turn America into a place just as horrible as where they came from.
That puts a big damper on my sympathies.
who has seen enough of Mexico and Central America to know that they're
horrible places, I have a lot of sympathy for illegals."
Me too. However, consider the fact that immigrants from those places are overwhelmingly likely, once given citizenship, to vote to turn America into a place just as horrible as where they came from.
That puts a big damper on my sympathies.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:19 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 08:20 PM (qul7b)
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Just skipped over 30 posts to say,
Meh.
All he has to do to get 90% of his original stance is merely enforce existing by telling his AG to enforce them as vigorously and creatively as the last few administrations have disregarded them.
Meh.
All he has to do to get 90% of his original stance is merely enforce existing by telling his AG to enforce them as vigorously and creatively as the last few administrations have disregarded them.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 08:20 PM (P/kVC)
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correction.. 310 posts
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (P/kVC)
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Is it me or can Donald Trump do nothing right?
Is it me?
I mean, no matter what he says or what he does, it's wrong or bad, according to Somesayinthemedia.
If he goes to Louisiana, it's bad. If he doesn't go, it's bad. If he wants to deport all the foreign invaders, it's bad. If he doesn't want to deport all the foreign invaders, it's bad.
If Trump doesn't reach out to black people, it's bad. If Trump makes a direct appeal to black people, it's bad.
Is it me or can Donald Trump do nothing right?
Is it me?
I mean, no matter what he says or what he does, it's wrong or bad, according to Somesayinthemedia.
If he goes to Louisiana, it's bad. If he doesn't go, it's bad. If he wants to deport all the foreign invaders, it's bad. If he doesn't want to deport all the foreign invaders, it's bad.
If Trump doesn't reach out to black people, it's bad. If Trump makes a direct appeal to black people, it's bad.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (hhGDT)
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277
Nah it's actually very mild. people are on their best behavior and no one is takingthe bait chances.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (Ozsfq)
FIFY.
Nah it's actually very mild. people are on their best behavior and no one is taking
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:10 PM (Ozsfq)
FIFY.
Posted by: rickl at August 23, 2016 08:22 PM (sdi6R)
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307 I'm sure he'll take TX, but it shouldn't be this close.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (ozZau)
He's only up by 3 in Missouri.
AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q
Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014. The polls produce what the investors in those polls want.
It is like you want Hillary to win.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:14 PM (ozZau)
He's only up by 3 in Missouri.
AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q
Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014. The polls produce what the investors in those polls want.
It is like you want Hillary to win.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
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I guess I no longer give a shit. I will do everything in my power to keep that bitch out of office.
Fuck those lunatics Johnson and Stein. The more Democrats I can convince to vote for them, the better.
Fuck those lunatics Johnson and Stein. The more Democrats I can convince to vote for them, the better.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (+eR2D)
328
#dicksoutforharambeandcecil
#dicksoutforharambeandcecil
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (hhGDT)
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>>However, consider the fact that immigrants from those places are
overwhelmingly likely, once given citizenship, to vote to turn America
into a place just as horrible as where they came from.
Just saw a quote that was something like, "If you bring half of Calcutta home, you turn your home into Calcutta."
We can't save the world by inviting it to move into our country.
overwhelmingly likely, once given citizenship, to vote to turn America
into a place just as horrible as where they came from.
Just saw a quote that was something like, "If you bring half of Calcutta home, you turn your home into Calcutta."
We can't save the world by inviting it to move into our country.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (NOIQH)
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Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (hhGDT)
I'd say that pretty standard operating procedure for Democrat supporting Pravda media since the year dot.
I'd say that pretty standard operating procedure for Democrat supporting Pravda media since the year dot.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 08:24 PM (6HqlZ)
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Some people don't know what anti-establishment is if they think it has something to do with crediting your two predecessors for their results, and saying that you're going to continue the process, but what you can really bring to the new company...er...position is more energy!!.
That kind of looks like "status quo" to me. And you don't have to believe it because it came from Wapo, you can read other sources which quote the same thing, and make the same analyses.
It doesn't change the case that Trump is less of a gamble, against Hillary's guaranteed loss.
That kind of looks like "status quo" to me. And you don't have to believe it because it came from Wapo, you can read other sources which quote the same thing, and make the same analyses.
It doesn't change the case that Trump is less of a gamble, against Hillary's guaranteed loss.
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:24 PM (LQb5m)
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It's only the people who were shrieking that Trump
was going to deport every Mexican living here, and let Mexico figure out
if they were in the US illegally or not, that now are shrieking that he
is backtracking on immigration and he is going to give amnesty to
everyone who hasn't murdered at least four people .
...
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (aSpG0)
OMG! Trump may actually believe in due-process.
was going to deport every Mexican living here, and let Mexico figure out
if they were in the US illegally or not, that now are shrieking that he
is backtracking on immigration and he is going to give amnesty to
everyone who hasn't murdered at least four people .
...
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:18 PM (aSpG0)
OMG! Trump may actually believe in due-process.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (P/kVC)
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The better questions are:
What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
The better questions are:
What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
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"He listened--or had analysts listening--to conservative talk radio for
like 2 years, to find what was popular among conservatives. He never had
to believe the stuff he was selling, he just had to sell it."
It's been remarked before that, just as with Mitt Romney before him, Trump speaks the traditional language of conservatism in an oddly stilted, slow, phrase-book manner.
"Greetings Americans! I am much desiring to be becoming your President. If you are giving your votes to me I promise I will restore..."
::: squints at pronunciation cheat sheet, carefully sounds out :::
"... 'cons-tee-too-shin-al ree-stray-nts' upon government."
::: beams widely, flashes thumbs-up sign :::
like 2 years, to find what was popular among conservatives. He never had
to believe the stuff he was selling, he just had to sell it."
It's been remarked before that, just as with Mitt Romney before him, Trump speaks the traditional language of conservatism in an oddly stilted, slow, phrase-book manner.
"Greetings Americans! I am much desiring to be becoming your President. If you are giving your votes to me I promise I will restore..."
::: squints at pronunciation cheat sheet, carefully sounds out :::
"... 'cons-tee-too-shin-al ree-stray-nts' upon government."
::: beams widely, flashes thumbs-up sign :::
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (noWW6)
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What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
these are trick questions right? I mean I know a trick question when I see one?
What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
these are trick questions right? I mean I know a trick question when I see one?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (Ozsfq)
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Trump's very good at crawfishing, but I'm not sure if that is what this is, or if it's just a softening of his rhetoric. The Wall, at least, is still non-negotiable.
I mentioned this a couple of threads ago, but it bears repeating -- NRO has published an opinion piece by "The Editors" that makes the case that Hillary needs to be criminally investigated and soon. I'm assuming that The Editors is the same group that wrote that vicious anti-Trump issue of their monthly rag.
http://tinyurl.com/z36wgs4
At almost the same time, VDH, writing at NRO, penned a piece taking on
Conservative columnists and analysts are so turned off by Trump that they resort to sophisticated metaphors to express their distaste - like "abortion," "ape", "bastard," "bitch," "cancer," "caudillo," "dog crap," "filth," "idiot," "ignoramus," and "moron." Some of them variously talk of putting a bullet through his head given that he resembles, or is worse than, Caesar, Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin.
Well, enough about Kevin D. Williamson. But VDH does suggest that people, supposedly on the conservative side, writing like that should lose their jobs.
*Kevin, time to update the ole resume*
Anyhow, here's VDH's piece:
http://tinyurl.com/hn2cbkm
I mentioned this a couple of threads ago, but it bears repeating -- NRO has published an opinion piece by "The Editors" that makes the case that Hillary needs to be criminally investigated and soon. I'm assuming that The Editors is the same group that wrote that vicious anti-Trump issue of their monthly rag.
http://tinyurl.com/z36wgs4
At almost the same time, VDH, writing at NRO, penned a piece taking on
Conservative columnists and analysts are so turned off by Trump that they resort to sophisticated metaphors to express their distaste - like "abortion," "ape", "bastard," "bitch," "cancer," "caudillo," "dog crap," "filth," "idiot," "ignoramus," and "moron." Some of them variously talk of putting a bullet through his head given that he resembles, or is worse than, Caesar, Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin.
Well, enough about Kevin D. Williamson. But VDH does suggest that people, supposedly on the conservative side, writing like that should lose their jobs.
*Kevin, time to update the ole resume*
Anyhow, here's VDH's piece:
http://tinyurl.com/hn2cbkm
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: awkward davies at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (7Awbj)
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Gary Johnson was on The Five today, and enraged the hell out of me. When asked about defeating ISIS, he said it would "just" leave a "void" for another entity to come into.
When Kimberly Guilfoyle said what about the children being crucified and people being burned alive, etc., he still stuck to his talking point that there would always be bad guys doing bad things.
He's a stoner elitist idiot. He also said he didn't support Reagan in his re-election.
Scary, scary, guy.
When Kimberly Guilfoyle said what about the children being crucified and people being burned alive, etc., he still stuck to his talking point that there would always be bad guys doing bad things.
He's a stoner elitist idiot. He also said he didn't support Reagan in his re-election.
Scary, scary, guy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (1ZOkK)
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"As a Texan who has known many, many illegals throughout the years and who has seen enough of Mexico and Central America to know that they're horrible places, I have a lot of sympathy for illegals."
Mexico is a land rich in natural resources like oil and minerals, prime agricultural land, two long coastlines, tourist attractions, and many other natural advantages.
The problems of Mexico are not the fault of Americans.
And the intentional failure by the American government to patrol and enforce our national border does not fix any of the problems in Mexico.
Mexico is a land rich in natural resources like oil and minerals, prime agricultural land, two long coastlines, tourist attractions, and many other natural advantages.
The problems of Mexico are not the fault of Americans.
And the intentional failure by the American government to patrol and enforce our national border does not fix any of the problems in Mexico.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 23, 2016 08:27 PM (PL2OL)
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#NeverHitlery. End of story.
Now, far more important, what look and accessories to kit up the sexbot with? And should you have a full spare? 'One is none and two is one' as the saying goes. Parts kits. Sustainable lube supply. Underwear and silkies.
This is not an issue to take lightly. Sexbot Preppers need to writes some articles and guides...
#NeverHitlery. End of story.
Now, far more important, what look and accessories to kit up the sexbot with? And should you have a full spare? 'One is none and two is one' as the saying goes. Parts kits. Sustainable lube supply. Underwear and silkies.
This is not an issue to take lightly. Sexbot Preppers need to writes some articles and guides...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 08:27 PM (qul7b)
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Is it me or can Donald Trump do nothing right?
Is it me?
I mean, no matter what he says or what he does, it's wrong or bad, according to Somesayinthemedia.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (hhGDT)
Exactly. This is why i wrote in an earlier thread that I am not looking forward to the debates, because it won't matter what great policy statements Trump makes, or what slam he throws on Hillary, the media will find that he said something like 'black", "night", "aim for", "trump employs more female managers" etc. and will call them everything from racists, anti woman, dog whistles, backtracking, lying, or whatever negative they can convolute into a three paragraph opinion piece or feed to some shrieking harpy on CNN.
Is it me?
I mean, no matter what he says or what he does, it's wrong or bad, according to Somesayinthemedia.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (hhGDT)
Exactly. This is why i wrote in an earlier thread that I am not looking forward to the debates, because it won't matter what great policy statements Trump makes, or what slam he throws on Hillary, the media will find that he said something like 'black", "night", "aim for", "trump employs more female managers" etc. and will call them everything from racists, anti woman, dog whistles, backtracking, lying, or whatever negative they can convolute into a three paragraph opinion piece or feed to some shrieking harpy on CNN.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:29 PM (aSpG0)
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What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
I got this ! Today Ted Cruz, in response to the AP blockbuster story regarding mrs. clinton's wheeling and dealing at the state tweeted the following : "Epic Corruption".not sure what kasich is doing other than not helping win ohio
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
I got this ! Today Ted Cruz, in response to the AP blockbuster story regarding mrs. clinton's wheeling and dealing at the state tweeted the following : "Epic Corruption".not sure what kasich is doing other than not helping win ohio
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:29 PM (c6/9Q)
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The more Democrats I can convince to vote for them, the better.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM
Good for you, Danger Girl; Keep up the good work!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM
Good for you, Danger Girl; Keep up the good work!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2016 08:29 PM (6HqlZ)
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Ahhh.....all is grist for the concern mill.
Trump is a vicious xenophobe who will round 'em up in boxcars, so he can't be trusted or supported.
He suggests that the rule of law is still in place, and he's a flip-flopper, so he can't he trusted or supported.
Quite funny, really. One WaPo writer's opinion piece shall be taken as proof od whatever is required to furrow their concerned little brows.
Trump is a vicious xenophobe who will round 'em up in boxcars, so he can't be trusted or supported.
He suggests that the rule of law is still in place, and he's a flip-flopper, so he can't he trusted or supported.
Quite funny, really. One WaPo writer's opinion piece shall be taken as proof od whatever is required to furrow their concerned little brows.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 08:29 PM (dBCRC)
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Now, far more important, what look and accessories to kit up the sexbot with?
Japanese School Girl.
Japanese School Girl.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (rwI+c)
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"Just saw a quote that was something like, 'If you bring half of Calcutta home, you turn your home into Calcutta.' We can't save the world by inviting it to move into our country."
Singapore has a policy of welcoming healthy, law-abiding, nonradicalized, educated, competent, self-supporting immigrants as new citizens.
Letting in millions of diseased, illiterate peasants? Eh, not so much.
Letting in millions of thieves and serial rapists? Not in the cards.
There's a phrase you will hear quoted by Singaporean officials to the effect that it is good to have a little softness in your heart, but you can't allow for your heart to become so soft that you end up bleeding to death from it.
Singapore has a policy of welcoming healthy, law-abiding, nonradicalized, educated, competent, self-supporting immigrants as new citizens.
Letting in millions of diseased, illiterate peasants? Eh, not so much.
Letting in millions of thieves and serial rapists? Not in the cards.
There's a phrase you will hear quoted by Singaporean officials to the effect that it is good to have a little softness in your heart, but you can't allow for your heart to become so soft that you end up bleeding to death from it.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (noWW6)
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If a President Trump doesn't build the wall, then his approval numbers will collapse to about 20% and he'll be a hated one-term president who is a lame duck almost from the start of his presidency and gets nothing accomplished.
He's going to build a wall, folks. Even if he doesn't want to. Because he has to, in order to keep his base of supporters loyal.
He's going to build a wall, folks. Even if he doesn't want to. Because he has to, in order to keep his base of supporters loyal.
Posted by: WARPIG at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (KL5Ns)
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Me too. However, consider the fact that immigrants
from those places are overwhelmingly likely, once given citizenship, to
vote to turn America into a place just as horrible as where they came
from.
That puts a big damper on my sympathies.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:19 PM (noWW6)
Take a look at this paper:
http://tinyurl.com/hhjjpse
from those places are overwhelmingly likely, once given citizenship, to
vote to turn America into a place just as horrible as where they came
from.
That puts a big damper on my sympathies.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:19 PM (noWW6)
Take a look at this paper:
http://tinyurl.com/hhjjpse
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (5p18q)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (qul7b)
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AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q)
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Uummm, no. The polls you see from Georgia are the Atlanta Journal Constitution polling their readers.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q)
****
Uummm, no. The polls you see from Georgia are the Atlanta Journal Constitution polling their readers.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (+eR2D)
352
The better questions are:
What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
Ted should just endorse Clinton. That would help Trump.
Ms Lindsey did say some nice things about one of Trump's structured speeches.Kasich is busy destroying CiCi's.
What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
What did Lindsey Graham or John Kasich do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:25 PM (hhGDT)
Ted should just endorse Clinton. That would help Trump.
Ms Lindsey did say some nice things about one of Trump's structured speeches.Kasich is busy destroying CiCi's.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (P/kVC)
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For those who say we cannot deport all those illegals, here's the plan: remember all those school buses Mayor Ray Nagin left sitting instead of using them to evacuate his residents during Katrina? Well, ther are fleets of buses like that in every town and city in America. And they will be available in June of 2017 to take illegals to the border of their choice, north or south. The first ride is free, any after that not so much. And yes, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua, et. al. will pay for the fuel.
Posted by: Devan at August 23, 2016 08:32 PM (kC+1/)
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NRO has published an opinion piece by "The Editors" that makes the case that Hillary needs to be criminally investigated and soon.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (gyKtp)
It's just posturing. It's too late to start a criminal investigation now, and they know it.
It was clear a year and a half ago that Hillary had illegally operated an email facility for government records and which must have contained classified info.
And NRO pretended that Obama and Lynch were disinterested, non-conflicted government officials objectively investigating Obama's own Secretary of State and the wife of the man who appointed Lynch US Attorney, and NRO never called for an independent counsel, even with the obvious conflict of interest.
The GOPe was never interested in holding Hillary to account.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (gyKtp)
It's just posturing. It's too late to start a criminal investigation now, and they know it.
It was clear a year and a half ago that Hillary had illegally operated an email facility for government records and which must have contained classified info.
And NRO pretended that Obama and Lynch were disinterested, non-conflicted government officials objectively investigating Obama's own Secretary of State and the wife of the man who appointed Lynch US Attorney, and NRO never called for an independent counsel, even with the obvious conflict of interest.
The GOPe was never interested in holding Hillary to account.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 23, 2016 08:33 PM (PL2OL)
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A University based research from fuckin 2007?
LMAO
History since then has proven those conclusions wrong
LMAO
History since then has proven those conclusions wrong
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:33 PM (Ozsfq)
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350
AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q)
****
Uummm, no. The polls you see from Georgia are the Atlanta Journal Constitution polling their readers.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (YLidQ)
This. Atlanta is pretty much deep blue, with the exception of Cobb County, Sandy Springs, and a few others. Of course the city of Atlanta has more than its share of the FSA.
AZ, GA, MO are all "swing states" now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:17 PM (5p18q)
****
Uummm, no. The polls you see from Georgia are the Atlanta Journal Constitution polling their readers.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (YLidQ)
This. Atlanta is pretty much deep blue, with the exception of Cobb County, Sandy Springs, and a few others. Of course the city of Atlanta has more than its share of the FSA.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:33 PM (1ZOkK)
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Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:13 PM (noWW6)
I don't dispute those findings, but it doesn't seem to factor in economic status. As a general rule poor people have more children - and more single parent births - than middle class/upper class people.
Cutting off benefits would probably help, but who can say for sure? Regardless, does anyone see California turning off benefits for illegals? Texas is about as conservative as it gets and it's not happening here either.
I don't dispute those findings, but it doesn't seem to factor in economic status. As a general rule poor people have more children - and more single parent births - than middle class/upper class people.
Cutting off benefits would probably help, but who can say for sure? Regardless, does anyone see California turning off benefits for illegals? Texas is about as conservative as it gets and it's not happening here either.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (fn3+8)
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In ten days, I will be in Texas ten years. Where has the time gone?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (+eR2D)
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Why on fucking earth would Trump go out of his way to "pivot" on illegals, one of the key issues that won him the nomination?
He would gain nothing from it. Only a stupid Republican would pull this shit -- to help gain favor with the media and win over the coveted "independents" that he is told by his advisers really aren't down with all that conservative jazz.
Why on fucking earth would Trump go out of his way to "pivot" on illegals, one of the key issues that won him the nomination?
He would gain nothing from it. Only a stupid Republican would pull this shit -- to help gain favor with the media and win over the coveted "independents" that he is told by his advisers really aren't down with all that conservative jazz.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (hhGDT)
360
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:24 PM (LQb5m)
I know, right? At least if we are going to get Rubio's immigration position, we might as well have gone with Rubio. At least then Florida wouldn't be as much of a tossup.
I know, right? At least if we are going to get Rubio's immigration position, we might as well have gone with Rubio. At least then Florida wouldn't be as much of a tossup.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (5p18q)
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Consider the source before you consider the validity of the statement st face value.
Posted by: Gmac- 'All politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (jzU6Y)
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"Mexico is a land rich in natural resources like oil and minerals, prime
agricultural land, two long coastlines, tourist attractions, and many
other natural advantages."
I was talking with someone about the inexorable economic and social decay of South Africa, which is similarly inherently advantaged in endless ways, and he was shaking his head sadly about it.
"How is it even humanly *possible* to fuck this up so badly? They have everything going for them!"
agricultural land, two long coastlines, tourist attractions, and many
other natural advantages."
I was talking with someone about the inexorable economic and social decay of South Africa, which is similarly inherently advantaged in endless ways, and he was shaking his head sadly about it.
"How is it even humanly *possible* to fuck this up so badly? They have everything going for them!"
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (noWW6)
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If Trump doesn't reach out to black people, it's bad. If Trump makes a direct appeal to black people, it's bad.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (hhGDT)
---
I was watching CNN this morning. And they quoted Trump's line about black and Hispanic people getting shot in the streets. And I knew--I just knew--they were going to play a montage of umbrages over this statement. And I was right, clips of people who live in black neighborhoods saying yes, there is some crime but it's not so bad "and I felt really insulted..." I wish I had those odds on a roulette wheel.
Meanwhile, Black Lives Matter says that cops are hunting young black men down in the streets, and no amount of black cops you can parade in a montage will change the "legitimacy" of this inflated fear.
It's really this long term hypnotism of the liberals and their media: Be open-minded, and "open-minded" means this position...accept this position and feel the pride of being open-minded...(close your mind on the other position as "close-minded"...shun the unfashionable "close-minded"...).
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:21 PM (hhGDT)
---
I was watching CNN this morning. And they quoted Trump's line about black and Hispanic people getting shot in the streets. And I knew--I just knew--they were going to play a montage of umbrages over this statement. And I was right, clips of people who live in black neighborhoods saying yes, there is some crime but it's not so bad "and I felt really insulted..." I wish I had those odds on a roulette wheel.
Meanwhile, Black Lives Matter says that cops are hunting young black men down in the streets, and no amount of black cops you can parade in a montage will change the "legitimacy" of this inflated fear.
It's really this long term hypnotism of the liberals and their media: Be open-minded, and "open-minded" means this position...accept this position and feel the pride of being open-minded...(close your mind on the other position as "close-minded"...shun the unfashionable "close-minded"...).
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:35 PM (LQb5m)
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Rubio sponsored the gang of 8 bullshit sellout plan for those with a conveniently bad memory.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:35 PM (Ozsfq)
365
Uummm, no. The polls you see from Georgia are the Atlanta Journal Constitution polling their readers.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (YLidQ)
Read it for yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/z43l3oq
It's more than just AJC polls there.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:31 PM (YLidQ)
Read it for yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/z43l3oq
It's more than just AJC polls there.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:35 PM (5p18q)
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if we are going to get Rubio's immigration position
If my Grandma had wheels she'd be a school bus.
If my Grandma had wheels she'd be a school bus.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at August 23, 2016 08:36 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:37 PM (hhGDT)
Posted by: Barky at August 23, 2016 08:37 PM (qul7b)
369
Consider the source before you consider the validity of the statement st face value.
Posted by: Gmac- 'All politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (jzU6Y)
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That's why I googled "perhaps with a lot more energy." and found a bunch of sources, for basically the same thing. Yes, you should consider the source--but you should also have an idea of how many sources there are. And also, it's helpful to know that they are all quoting an interview on Fox News, not exactly the enemy camp.
Posted by: Gmac- 'All politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (jzU6Y)
---
That's why I googled "perhaps with a lot more energy." and found a bunch of sources, for basically the same thing. Yes, you should consider the source--but you should also have an idea of how many sources there are. And also, it's helpful to know that they are all quoting an interview on Fox News, not exactly the enemy camp.
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:37 PM (LQb5m)
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Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014. The polls produce what the investors in those polls want.
It is like you want Hillary to win.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
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Evening neighbor. What part of the State? Cobb County here.
It is like you want Hillary to win.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
****
Evening neighbor. What part of the State? Cobb County here.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (YLidQ)
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What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's
Be prepared to be shocked. The Canadian actually tweeted something negative about Hillary without also saying Trump was just as bad. First time he's done that since, I kid you not, April.
Mind you, Tedward is just retweeting, and he doesn't mention Hillary by name, but the tweet has her picture, so that's something.
twitter.com/tedcruz/status/768202826174504961
What did Ted Cruz do today to help defeat Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's
Be prepared to be shocked. The Canadian actually tweeted something negative about Hillary without also saying Trump was just as bad. First time he's done that since, I kid you not, April.
Mind you, Tedward is just retweeting, and he doesn't mention Hillary by name, but the tweet has her picture, so that's something.
twitter.com/tedcruz/status/768202826174504961
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (kdS6q)
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Trump can do nothing right. So get used to it, folks.
It's Trump and The People against The Democrats, the Media, and most of the GOP.
Trump can do nothing right. So get used to it, folks.
It's Trump and The People against The Democrats, the Media, and most of the GOP.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (hhGDT)
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Cutting off benefits would probably help, but who can say for sure? Regardless, does anyone see California turning off benefits for illegals? Texas is about as conservative as it gets and it's not happening here either.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (fn3+
Well, turn about is fair play. How about directing the Dept of Education to cut off funding of any university that enrolls anyone who is in the country illegally? Including, say, Saudi's who overstay their student visas?
The DOE has no problem threatening universities that receive federal funding with cut off if they don't have transgender bathrooms, or don't have sufficient minority enrollment or any number of progressive ideas.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (fn3+
Well, turn about is fair play. How about directing the Dept of Education to cut off funding of any university that enrolls anyone who is in the country illegally? Including, say, Saudi's who overstay their student visas?
The DOE has no problem threatening universities that receive federal funding with cut off if they don't have transgender bathrooms, or don't have sufficient minority enrollment or any number of progressive ideas.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (aSpG0)
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163
People didn't vote for Donald based on some fealty to ideological conservative positions.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (5p18q)
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Non sequitur. Some of the "people" I know who voted for Trump said they did so based on his stated ideological position of shutting down the border and deporting immediately. Whether or not that is an ideological conservative position is irrelevant - it's what he led those poor saps to believe.
People didn't vote for Donald based on some fealty to ideological conservative positions.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 07:49 PM (5p18q)
* * * * *
Non sequitur. Some of the "people" I know who voted for Trump said they did so based on his stated ideological position of shutting down the border and deporting immediately. Whether or not that is an ideological conservative position is irrelevant - it's what he led those poor saps to believe.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (g9d8D)
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Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at August 23, 2016 08:36 PM (rwI+c)
What is the difference now between Trump's current position and Rubio's post-Gang-of-8 position?
What is the difference now between Trump's current position and Rubio's post-Gang-of-8 position?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (5p18q)
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Mind you, Tedward is just retweeting, and he doesn't mention Hillary by name, but the tweet has her picture, so that's something.
Yes, it's something.
Mind you, Tedward is just retweeting, and he doesn't mention Hillary by name, but the tweet has her picture, so that's something.
Yes, it's something.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (hhGDT)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (hhGDT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (Ozsfq)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:40 PM (hhGDT)
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I was talking with someone about the inexorable
economic and social decay of South Africa, which is similarly inherently
advantaged in endless ways, and he was shaking his head sadly about it.
"How is it even humanly *possible* to fuck this up so badly? They have everything going for them!"
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (noWW6)
Mandela died, and his successor has been a filthy, criminal, corrupted, POS. Not unlike Hillary.
Beautiful, breathtaking country. Beautiful people. Abject, stunning poverty.
economic and social decay of South Africa, which is similarly inherently
advantaged in endless ways, and he was shaking his head sadly about it.
"How is it even humanly *possible* to fuck this up so badly? They have everything going for them!"
Posted by: torquewrench at August 23, 2016 08:34 PM (noWW6)
Mandela died, and his successor has been a filthy, criminal, corrupted, POS. Not unlike Hillary.
Beautiful, breathtaking country. Beautiful people. Abject, stunning poverty.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:40 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at August 23, 2016 08:41 PM (rwI+c)
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Okay, so there's a hill, and it's made of beans. And it's impossible to travel up the hill...because it's beans??
Okay, so there's a hill, and it's made of beans. And it's impossible to travel up the hill...because it's beans??
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:41 PM (hhGDT)
383
338
Gary Johnson was on The Five today, and enraged the hell out of me. When
asked about defeating ISIS, he said it would "just" leave a "void" for
another entity to come into.
When Kimberly Guilfoyle said what
about the children being crucified and people being burned alive, etc.,
he still stuck to his talking point that there would always be bad guys
doing bad things.
He's a stoner elitist idiot. He also said he didn't support Reagan in his re-election.
Scary, scary, guy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (1ZOkK)
Yeah, Johnson is turning out to be a big disappointment, along with his authoritarian running-mate.
Gary Johnson was on The Five today, and enraged the hell out of me. When
asked about defeating ISIS, he said it would "just" leave a "void" for
another entity to come into.
When Kimberly Guilfoyle said what
about the children being crucified and people being burned alive, etc.,
he still stuck to his talking point that there would always be bad guys
doing bad things.
He's a stoner elitist idiot. He also said he didn't support Reagan in his re-election.
Scary, scary, guy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:26 PM (1ZOkK)
Yeah, Johnson is turning out to be a big disappointment, along with his authoritarian running-mate.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:41 PM (5p18q)
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354 >> It's just posturing. It's too late to start a criminal investigation now, and they know it.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost
It's more the tone of the piece. Read it. I got the sense that they are getting ready to eat about 22 crow pies, and change their stance on Trump.
If so, I want to be the first to point and laugh at the elite clowns there.
And hey I've invented a new word, I thought -- Classholes, to use in place of 'elites'. But alas, that smart fucker at xkcd beat me to it:
https://xkcd.com/72/
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost
It's more the tone of the piece. Read it. I got the sense that they are getting ready to eat about 22 crow pies, and change their stance on Trump.
If so, I want to be the first to point and laugh at the elite clowns there.
And hey I've invented a new word, I thought -- Classholes, to use in place of 'elites'. But alas, that smart fucker at xkcd beat me to it:
https://xkcd.com/72/
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 23, 2016 08:42 PM (gyKtp)
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Can you even make a hill of ball bearings?
Posted by: Grump928(C) ponders at August 23, 2016 08:42 PM (rwI+c)
386
378
Who the fuck cares about Rubio's post gang of 8 position? What a straw man.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (Ozsfq)
It's what he campaigned on. You know, just like how Trump campaigned on his own immigration position.
Who the fuck cares about Rubio's post gang of 8 position? What a straw man.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (Ozsfq)
It's what he campaigned on. You know, just like how Trump campaigned on his own immigration position.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:42 PM (5p18q)
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373
How about directing the Dept of Education to cut off funding of any university that enrolls anyone who is in the country illegally? Including, say, Saudi's who overstay their student visas?
The DOE has no problem threatening universities that receive federal funding with cut off if they don't have transgender bathrooms, or don't have sufficient minority enrollment or any number of progressive ideas.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (aSpG0)
And *all* federal funding should be cut off to sanctuary cities. That should really be a no-brainer.
How about directing the Dept of Education to cut off funding of any university that enrolls anyone who is in the country illegally? Including, say, Saudi's who overstay their student visas?
The DOE has no problem threatening universities that receive federal funding with cut off if they don't have transgender bathrooms, or don't have sufficient minority enrollment or any number of progressive ideas.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (aSpG0)
And *all* federal funding should be cut off to sanctuary cities. That should really be a no-brainer.
Posted by: rickl at August 23, 2016 08:42 PM (sdi6R)
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Non sequitur. Some of the "people" I know who voted for Trump said they did so based on his stated ideological position of shutting down the border and deporting immediately. Whether or not that is an ideological conservative position is irrelevant - it's what he led those poor saps to believe.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (g9d8D)
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And some of the people I talked to made him the "Ragu candidate". Whatever you wanted in a stance, "it's in there". Constitutionalist? Yeah Trump said something about the Constitution...it's in there. Social conservative? Trump's got the most evangelicals voting for him...it's in there.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (g9d8D)
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And some of the people I talked to made him the "Ragu candidate". Whatever you wanted in a stance, "it's in there". Constitutionalist? Yeah Trump said something about the Constitution...it's in there. Social conservative? Trump's got the most evangelicals voting for him...it's in there.
Posted by: Axeman at August 23, 2016 08:43 PM (LQb5m)
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It's more the tone of the piece. Read it. I got the sense that they are
getting ready to eat about 22 crow pies, and change their stance on
Trump.
Nah, I think they will simply decline to endorse anyone.
getting ready to eat about 22 crow pies, and change their stance on
Trump.
Nah, I think they will simply decline to endorse anyone.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:43 PM (5p18q)
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What a straw man.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Racist! Our preferred term is Silage-American.
Posted by: The Scarecrow
What a straw man.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Racist! Our preferred term is Silage-American.
Posted by: The Scarecrow
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 23, 2016 08:43 PM (kdS6q)
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You know who else is a phony piece of shit?
Penn Jillette. He's also very dumb. He thinks he's smart, too. He's a big Trump hater, now. Claims he's all about libertarianism, now.
But all he's about is helping Hillary Clinton win because Penn Jillette is a leftist at heart -- so, yeah, today's typical "libertarian."
You know who else is a phony piece of shit?
Penn Jillette. He's also very dumb. He thinks he's smart, too. He's a big Trump hater, now. Claims he's all about libertarianism, now.
But all he's about is helping Hillary Clinton win because Penn Jillette is a leftist at heart -- so, yeah, today's typical "libertarian."
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (hhGDT)
392
I am out of here before I get banned
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (Ozsfq)
393
It's a little late to back out now I suppose. He's still not as bad as HRC and the repubes will probably block everything he might do anyway.
Posted by: freeaked at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (BO/km)
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It's more than just AJC polls there.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:35 PM (5p18q)
*****
Half of those polls have asterisks, with no explanation of what the notations mean. Color me unimpressed.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:35 PM (5p18q)
*****
Half of those polls have asterisks, with no explanation of what the notations mean. Color me unimpressed.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (YLidQ)
395
>>Be prepared to be shocked. The Canadian actually tweeted something negative about Hillary without also saying Trump was just as bad. First time he's done that since, I kid you not, April.
When was the last time Trump said something nice about Cruz?
Trump wants to unite the party, he should follow up with his statement that he regrets saying rotten things about people and actually apologize to some. It might work wonders.
Think his ego could handle it?
When was the last time Trump said something nice about Cruz?
Trump wants to unite the party, he should follow up with his statement that he regrets saying rotten things about people and actually apologize to some. It might work wonders.
Think his ego could handle it?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (hhGDT)
397
It's a hill of fucking beans, is what it is.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (hhGDT)
I've never understood why some Trump supporters think it vital to try to push voters away from Trump.
Petunia used to do this with Romney. Even after he got the nomination she spent all her energy trashing the defeated candidates, to the point it seemed she WANTED fewer people to vote for Romney.
No biggie, but I just don't understand the motive. Eh, politics.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:39 PM (hhGDT)
I've never understood why some Trump supporters think it vital to try to push voters away from Trump.
Petunia used to do this with Romney. Even after he got the nomination she spent all her energy trashing the defeated candidates, to the point it seemed she WANTED fewer people to vote for Romney.
No biggie, but I just don't understand the motive. Eh, politics.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (ozZau)
398
"Well, turn about is fair play. How about directing the Dept of Education
to cut off funding of any university that enrolls anyone who is in the
country illegally? Including, say, Saudi's who overstay their student
visas?"
How would cutting university funding affect the breeding habits of immigrants? If the child is born in the US it's a US citizen.
Ending birthright citizenship is fine to discuss but until Republicans have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it can't happen. Assuming all Republican senators voted in lockstep. Even then the courts would probably shoot it down on 14th Amendment concerns.
to cut off funding of any university that enrolls anyone who is in the
country illegally? Including, say, Saudi's who overstay their student
visas?"
How would cutting university funding affect the breeding habits of immigrants? If the child is born in the US it's a US citizen.
Ending birthright citizenship is fine to discuss but until Republicans have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it can't happen. Assuming all Republican senators voted in lockstep. Even then the courts would probably shoot it down on 14th Amendment concerns.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (fn3+8)
399
A "hill" of beans or ball bearings is impossible because of "slump," I guess, because I can't think of a more accurate term.
A "hill" of beans or ball bearings is impossible because of "slump," I guess, because I can't think of a more accurate term.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (hhGDT)
400
Evidently, people are very threatened by the idea that GA is a swing state now. Sorry but that is what the current polling suggests.
http://tinyurl.com/z43l3oq
And there are more than just AJC polls in that polling average.
http://tinyurl.com/z43l3oq
And there are more than just AJC polls in that polling average.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (5p18q)
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Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (ozZau)
It's all about the in-group/out-group dynamics.
It's all about the in-group/out-group dynamics.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (5p18q)
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Posted by: GnuBreed at August 23, 2016 08:42 PM (gyKtp)
I'll have to take your word for it. I refuse to give those classholes the pageview click!
I'll have to take your word for it. I refuse to give those classholes the pageview click!
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (PL2OL)
403
Another important reason to hope Trump wins. Photos in the media of Melania and Ivanka vs Chelsea and withered Bill.
Posted by: Willy J. at August 23, 2016 08:47 PM (CDowr)
404
getting rid of sanctuary cities, that would be nice, getting rid of
scholarships for illegals, not allowing them to enroll in schools and
universities, fining employer for hiring illegals, with a threat of a shutdown, actual border
control with guns and a DMZ type zone - mined ; those who overstayed their visa (in teh hopes of amnesty) should
be kicked out, the so called "students" to non-existing colleges and
programs. a lot these characters also use legitimate citizens to get
loans for example - make penalties harsher. this will clean up the
country considerably. and it is just a tip of the iceberg of how it can be done with existing laws.
scholarships for illegals, not allowing them to enroll in schools and
universities, fining employer for hiring illegals, with a threat of a shutdown, actual border
control with guns and a DMZ type zone - mined ; those who overstayed their visa (in teh hopes of amnesty) should
be kicked out, the so called "students" to non-existing colleges and
programs. a lot these characters also use legitimate citizens to get
loans for example - make penalties harsher. this will clean up the
country considerably. and it is just a tip of the iceberg of how it can be done with existing laws.
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:47 PM (c6/9Q)
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A "hill" of beans or ball bearings is impossible because of "slump," I guess, because I can't think of a more accurate term.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (hhGDT)
Angle of internal friction.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (hhGDT)
Angle of internal friction.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 08:47 PM (P/kVC)
406
You've been willowed.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2016 08:48 PM (1ZOkK)
407
I don't believe anything any politician says including DT. It saves a lot of disappointment. Wow that's a long word ,disappointment.
Posted by: freeaked at August 23, 2016 08:48 PM (BO/km)
408
Hill of beans:
From the internet:
"Before machine planting, many vegetables were planted in groups of four to six seeds. This group of seeds was called a hill.
The purpose of planting in hills was to make it easier for the young sprouts to push up through the soil.Together, five or six can break the dry crust of the soil, where one might not be able to. Also, much of the home grown seeds did not germinate, so planting five or six together assured that a couple would grow.
In a large field of many millions, one hill didn't amount to much, therefore a hill of beans was worth just about zero."
From the internet:
"Before machine planting, many vegetables were planted in groups of four to six seeds. This group of seeds was called a hill.
The purpose of planting in hills was to make it easier for the young sprouts to push up through the soil.Together, five or six can break the dry crust of the soil, where one might not be able to. Also, much of the home grown seeds did not germinate, so planting five or six together assured that a couple would grow.
In a large field of many millions, one hill didn't amount to much, therefore a hill of beans was worth just about zero."
Posted by: Aviator at August 23, 2016 08:48 PM (c7vUv)
409
>>>So, who's rushing out to see the Obama movie?
Who's playing him? More importantly, why would anyone be tempted to see this? The man is a bore. He can't even manage to be an interesting crappy leader, like Hitler or Stalin. I'd sooner see a movie about Kim Jong or Merkel.
Who's playing him? More importantly, why would anyone be tempted to see this? The man is a bore. He can't even manage to be an interesting crappy leader, like Hitler or Stalin. I'd sooner see a movie about Kim Jong or Merkel.
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 23, 2016 08:49 PM (g6yUI)
410
And there are more than just AJC polls in that polling average.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (5p18q)
*****
I read it. See my comment about asterisks, interestingly mostly on the polls with the largest FAB lead.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (5p18q)
*****
I read it. See my comment about asterisks, interestingly mostly on the polls with the largest FAB lead.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:49 PM (YLidQ)
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Anyone know what "slump" is?
As in "concrete slump."
Slump refers to the stiffness of the uncured concrete before it is poured. From a scale of 1-10. They dump a little a pile on the ground out of the truck's shute and check how much it spreads out. The wetter the concrete, the more it spreads or slumps. The dryer (stiffer) the concrete, the more of a conical pile it makes.
Anyone know what "slump" is?
As in "concrete slump."
Slump refers to the stiffness of the uncured concrete before it is poured. From a scale of 1-10. They dump a little a pile on the ground out of the truck's shute and check how much it spreads out. The wetter the concrete, the more it spreads or slumps. The dryer (stiffer) the concrete, the more of a conical pile it makes.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 23, 2016 08:49 PM (hhGDT)
412
Non sequitur. Some of the "people" I know who voted for Trump said they did so based on his stated ideological position of shutting down the border and deporting immediately. Whether or not that is an ideological conservative position is irrelevant - it's what he led those poor saps to believe.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (g9d8D)
And what's different now? The fact that he wants to deport convicted criminals first because they pose the greatest danger? Did people actually think that Donald Trump was going to mobilze the Army to go through each and every neighborhood, busting into homes, and apartments, dragging anyone sounding foreign into the streets, zip tying their wrists and then filling up trucks with them to haul to an airplane hanger if they don't have "papers"?
The country has existing deportation and immigration laws that if followed, provide a procedure to deport anyone in the country illegally who is found either by being involved in a criminal activity or some other event requiring government interactions with them, such as hospitalizations, schools, etc.
What we are not doing now is actually deporting those caught at the border, Not providing enough of a barrier at the border to stop illegal crossing, not allowing the border patrol to do their job, including defend themselves when attacked by illegals, we alllow sanctioning cities for providing safe havens for illegals, we are allowing states to issue drivers licenses, CA. actually allows illegals to attend law school and pass the bar, we are ignoring illegal status of those applying for food stamps welfare, school vouchers, etc., on and on.
This is why we have the number of illegals here. IF we don't address the above situations first, we will continue to have more people arrive here than we can physically deport.
Posted by: Smitty27 at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (g9d8D)
And what's different now? The fact that he wants to deport convicted criminals first because they pose the greatest danger? Did people actually think that Donald Trump was going to mobilze the Army to go through each and every neighborhood, busting into homes, and apartments, dragging anyone sounding foreign into the streets, zip tying their wrists and then filling up trucks with them to haul to an airplane hanger if they don't have "papers"?
The country has existing deportation and immigration laws that if followed, provide a procedure to deport anyone in the country illegally who is found either by being involved in a criminal activity or some other event requiring government interactions with them, such as hospitalizations, schools, etc.
What we are not doing now is actually deporting those caught at the border, Not providing enough of a barrier at the border to stop illegal crossing, not allowing the border patrol to do their job, including defend themselves when attacked by illegals, we alllow sanctioning cities for providing safe havens for illegals, we are allowing states to issue drivers licenses, CA. actually allows illegals to attend law school and pass the bar, we are ignoring illegal status of those applying for food stamps welfare, school vouchers, etc., on and on.
This is why we have the number of illegals here. IF we don't address the above situations first, we will continue to have more people arrive here than we can physically deport.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:50 PM (aSpG0)
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 23, 2016 08:50 PM (Ee2nz)
414
This hurts Trump with the mouth-breathing, benighted alt-right white nationalists who, we were and are even now informed, while not constituting ALL of the flip-flopping Fuhrer's supporters, nonetheless make up a goodish percentage thereof.
Which is it? Is Hillary better than Trump because he's an incipient fascist who'll turn loose deportation units to go door to door and round up anyone other than lutherans and klansmen in good standing? Or is she better because Trump is portrayed by a WAPO writer as something other than this fever-dream of the left?
Which is it? Is Hillary better than Trump because he's an incipient fascist who'll turn loose deportation units to go door to door and round up anyone other than lutherans and klansmen in good standing? Or is she better because Trump is portrayed by a WAPO writer as something other than this fever-dream of the left?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (dBCRC)
415
Half of those polls have asterisks, with no explanation of what the notations mean. Color me unimpressed.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (YLidQ)
Ooo, the scary asterisk! What it must mean, of course, is, "the poll is invalid and/or skewed and Trump will actually win in a landslide". Yes yes. That is obviously what it means. Obviously.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:44 PM (YLidQ)
Ooo, the scary asterisk! What it must mean, of course, is, "the poll is invalid and/or skewed and Trump will actually win in a landslide". Yes yes. That is obviously what it means. Obviously.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (5p18q)
416
370 Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014. The polls produce what the investors in those polls want.
It is like you want Hillary to win.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
****
Evening neighbor. What part of the State? Cobb County here.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (
Evening brother. Born and raised in South West Georgia. Been living outside of Athens Ga area in the country the past 10 years.
It is like you want Hillary to win.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
****
Evening neighbor. What part of the State? Cobb County here.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:38 PM (
Evening brother. Born and raised in South West Georgia. Been living outside of Athens Ga area in the country the past 10 years.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (CV0nS)
417
Just enforcing the laws we have now would be an improvement. I'd be pretty happy with that.
Posted by: freaaked at August 23, 2016 08:52 PM (BO/km)
418
Ending birthright citizenship is fine to discuss but until Republicans have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it can't happen. Assuming all Republican senators voted in lockstep. Even then the courts would probably shoot it down on 14th Amendment concerns.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (fn3+
There's a pretty good legal argument that foreign nationals whose presence on US soil is illegal do not have the capacity to pass birthright US citizenship to their children, but I think President Trump would have to appoint a couple of Justices to the Court before that position would be upheld.
Obviously, if Hillary is elected it's going nowhere and she would basically grant US citizenship to any foreign national who is willing to vote Dem.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (fn3+
There's a pretty good legal argument that foreign nationals whose presence on US soil is illegal do not have the capacity to pass birthright US citizenship to their children, but I think President Trump would have to appoint a couple of Justices to the Court before that position would be upheld.
Obviously, if Hillary is elected it's going nowhere and she would basically grant US citizenship to any foreign national who is willing to vote Dem.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 23, 2016 08:52 PM (PL2OL)
419
273 I voted for Dole. I voted for Bush x2, I voted for McCain, I voted for Romney. I'll vote for Trump.
"Fuck, I'd vote for any POS the R party put up to keep that fucking non-cocksucking commie whorebag mentally-challenged bitch out of the White House."
Piece of Shit
Whoreba-a-a-ag
We gotta Keep her out of the White House
Ooooo eeeee
What's up with that, what's up wit dat?
Ooooo eeeee
What's up with that, what's up with that?
"Fuck, I'd vote for any POS the R party put up to keep that fucking non-cocksucking commie whorebag mentally-challenged bitch out of the White House."
Piece of Shit
Whoreba-a-a-ag
We gotta Keep her out of the White House
Ooooo eeeee
What's up with that, what's up wit dat?
Ooooo eeeee
What's up with that, what's up with that?
Posted by: Diondre Cole at August 23, 2016 08:53 PM (4bjXi)
420
Ooo, the scary asterisk! What it must mean, of course, is, "the poll is invalid and/or skewed and Trump will actually win in a landslide". Yes yes. That is obviously what it means. Obviously.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (5p18q)
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They don't explain what it means. If you have some factually verifiable based insight as to why the GA polls that show the biggest FAB lead mean, please spill it, Perfesser.
Otherwise, I assume you are just trolling.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (5p18q)
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They don't explain what it means. If you have some factually verifiable based insight as to why the GA polls that show the biggest FAB lead mean, please spill it, Perfesser.
Otherwise, I assume you are just trolling.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 08:53 PM (YLidQ)
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Anywhere near Spring Creek or Seminole Death Rattle? Or closer to Columbus?
Posted by: freaaked at August 23, 2016 08:54 PM (BO/km)
422
"There's a pretty good legal argument that foreign nationals whose
presence on US soil is illegal do not have the capacity to pass
birthright US citizenship to their children, but I think President Trump
would have to appoint a couple of Justices to the Court before that
position would be upheld."
that birthright citizenship is a mess
presence on US soil is illegal do not have the capacity to pass
birthright US citizenship to their children, but I think President Trump
would have to appoint a couple of Justices to the Court before that
position would be upheld."
that birthright citizenship is a mess
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:54 PM (c6/9Q)
423
Allahpindint isn't a jackass.
Posted by: gene at August 23, 2016 08:55 PM (DHWc8)
424
He's going to build a wall, folks. Even if he doesn't want to. Because he has to, in order to keep his base of supporters loyal.
Posted by: WARPIG at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (KL5Ns)
I believe that the builder in him needs to put the wall up.
Posted by: WARPIG at August 23, 2016 08:30 PM (KL5Ns)
I believe that the builder in him needs to put the wall up.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 08:55 PM (0sLvz)
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How would cutting university funding affect the breeding habits of immigrants? If the child is born in the US it's a US citizen.
Ending birthright citizenship is fine to discuss but until Republicans have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it can't happen. Assuming all Republican senators voted in lockstep. Even then the courts would probably shoot it down on 14th Amendment concerns.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (fn3+
I agree. But a President Trump could direct the DOE the first day in office to do exactly what I propose. If the country wasn't so damn attractive to illegals, you wouldn't have so many here.
Why are there so many Syrians and Islamists making a bee line to Germany, instead of some of the other neighboring European countries? Because the German government is welcoming them with open arms, open wallets, and oppressing it's own people to stop any call for the immigration to stop.
Ending birthright citizenship is fine to discuss but until Republicans have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it can't happen. Assuming all Republican senators voted in lockstep. Even then the courts would probably shoot it down on 14th Amendment concerns.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 08:45 PM (fn3+
I agree. But a President Trump could direct the DOE the first day in office to do exactly what I propose. If the country wasn't so damn attractive to illegals, you wouldn't have so many here.
Why are there so many Syrians and Islamists making a bee line to Germany, instead of some of the other neighboring European countries? Because the German government is welcoming them with open arms, open wallets, and oppressing it's own people to stop any call for the immigration to stop.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 08:55 PM (aSpG0)
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For those who say we can't deport x number of people. Let's say actually deported 1 million in a year (after stopping the flood coming in). While doing that we announced a true amnesty. You get to keep your stuff if you leave now. If we catch you, we confiscate it all. You will leave with the clothes on your back and that is all. Leave voluntarily and register as you leave and what you have is yours.
Prediction, the border exits get flooded.
Prediction, the border exits get flooded.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 23, 2016 08:55 PM (Ee2nz)
427
You'd be surprised how many can be deported, and fast...
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 08:56 PM (c6/9Q)
428
Who misses the old Donald "Boxcar" Trump?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 23, 2016 08:56 PM (0sLvz)
429
Well that depends on your definition of "Wall"
Posted by: Donald Clinton at August 23, 2016 08:57 PM (iYydO)
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Chemjeff, In Georgia we have Atlanta and then we have the rest of the state.
Things that come out of Georgia tend to be Atlanta-Centric.
But I could be wrong and I'm open minded like that.
Things that come out of Georgia tend to be Atlanta-Centric.
But I could be wrong and I'm open minded like that.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:57 PM (CV0nS)
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'I believe that the builder in him needs to put the wall up.'
Let's hope so. If it takes DT's ego to get it done then let 'er rip.
Let's hope so. If it takes DT's ego to get it done then let 'er rip.
Posted by: frreaked at August 23, 2016 08:58 PM (BO/km)
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For those who say we can't deport x number of
people. Let's say actually deported 1 million in a year (after stopping
the flood coming in). While doing that we announced a true amnesty.
You get to keep your stuff if you leave now. If we catch you, we
confiscate it all. You will leave with the clothes on your back and
that is all. Leave voluntarily and register as you leave and what you
have is yours.
Prediction, the border exits get flooded.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 23, 2016 08:55 PM (Ee2nz)
Amnesty. You are not allowed to use that word that way.
people. Let's say actually deported 1 million in a year (after stopping
the flood coming in). While doing that we announced a true amnesty.
You get to keep your stuff if you leave now. If we catch you, we
confiscate it all. You will leave with the clothes on your back and
that is all. Leave voluntarily and register as you leave and what you
have is yours.
Prediction, the border exits get flooded.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 23, 2016 08:55 PM (Ee2nz)
Amnesty. You are not allowed to use that word that way.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 08:59 PM (P/kVC)
433
They don't explain what it means. If you have some factually verifiable
based insight as to why the GA polls that show the biggest FAB lead
mean, please spill it, Perfesser.
But that's not true. One "asterisked" poll has Hillary +7, but TWO "asterisked" polls have Trump +4.
I actually don't know what the asterisk means either. But it seems rather obvious that you are using the "asterisk" excuse to ignore polling that contradicts your feelings. Too bad so sad.
based insight as to why the GA polls that show the biggest FAB lead
mean, please spill it, Perfesser.
But that's not true. One "asterisked" poll has Hillary +7, but TWO "asterisked" polls have Trump +4.
I actually don't know what the asterisk means either. But it seems rather obvious that you are using the "asterisk" excuse to ignore polling that contradicts your feelings. Too bad so sad.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:59 PM (5p18q)
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It's all about the in-group/out-group dynamics.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (5p18q)
That makes sense
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:46 PM (5p18q)
That makes sense
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 23, 2016 09:00 PM (ozZau)
435
I'm a Hill of beans. Mine and Huma's.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 23, 2016 09:01 PM (g6yUI)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 09:01 PM (P/kVC)
437
I actually don't know what the asterisk means either. But it seems rather obvious that you are using the "asterisk" excuse to ignore polling that contradicts your feelings. Too bad so sad.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:59 PM (5p18q)
*****
Well, a Perfesser admitting he doesn't know something. Truly a first. So, since you don't know, why did you post this:
Ooo, the scary asterisk! What it must mean, of course, is, "the poll is invalid and/or skewed and Trump will actually win in a landslide". Yes yes. That is obviously what it means. Obviously.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (5p18q)
*****
????
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:59 PM (5p18q)
*****
Well, a Perfesser admitting he doesn't know something. Truly a first. So, since you don't know, why did you post this:
Ooo, the scary asterisk! What it must mean, of course, is, "the poll is invalid and/or skewed and Trump will actually win in a landslide". Yes yes. That is obviously what it means. Obviously.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 08:51 PM (5p18q)
*****
????
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:02 PM (YLidQ)
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Oh, I figured out what the asterisk means.
It means that the poll included all the candidates, not just Hillary and Trump.
Non-asterisk was just a head-to-head matchup, where the pollsters only asked about Hillary vs. Trump.
It means that the poll included all the candidates, not just Hillary and Trump.
Non-asterisk was just a head-to-head matchup, where the pollsters only asked about Hillary vs. Trump.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:02 PM (5p18q)
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well, what i'd like to see..is him talking about very simply enforcing the laws that are on the books today. if the law was followed, we would not have this problem. we already have a 'deportation force'...its called ICE....and we have a 'force' this supposed to 'protect' the border...'border patrol'. if both of these agencies were allowed to actually do their freaking jobs...i think we would find that this 'illegal immigration' issue...all of a sudden becomes a non issue...esp when a wall is built. also..no bennies and implement e-verify. not rocket science. if this Country does not start to follow the law....well...we've all seen how the last 8 years were. the next 8 will be worse..and on and on and on...etc. without law, we have nothing. but, i'm 43...so, i'm old...so maybe the whole 'law' thing has passed me by. lol...i dont know.
Posted by: johny boy at August 23, 2016 09:03 PM (UNXWZ)
440
I live in Middle Georgia. I don't know a single person that likes Hillary, except for maybe my sister who lives in Atlanta.
Posted by: frreaked at August 23, 2016 09:03 PM (BO/km)
441
"I agree. But a President Trump could direct the DOE the first day in
office to do exactly what I propose. If the country wasn't so damn
attractive to illegals, you wouldn't have so many here."
Fair enough, but most of the money for education is allocated at the state level. I'm not sure what the current federal law is on education funding but President Trump can't order the Dept of Ed to disregard the law.
Well, I guess he could, but I'm not sure I like the idea of disregarding laws that are inconvenient. If it's an impeachable offense when Obama does so it would be for a Republican president too. I think throwing out rule of law for turnabout is fair play would be a disastrous path to follow.
office to do exactly what I propose. If the country wasn't so damn
attractive to illegals, you wouldn't have so many here."
Fair enough, but most of the money for education is allocated at the state level. I'm not sure what the current federal law is on education funding but President Trump can't order the Dept of Ed to disregard the law.
Well, I guess he could, but I'm not sure I like the idea of disregarding laws that are inconvenient. If it's an impeachable offense when Obama does so it would be for a Republican president too. I think throwing out rule of law for turnabout is fair play would be a disastrous path to follow.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 09:03 PM (fn3+8)
442
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:02 PM (YLidQ)
Because you are using a very flimsy pretext to ignore polling that you don't like.
Because you are using a very flimsy pretext to ignore polling that you don't like.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:04 PM (5p18q)
443
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:02 PM (YLidQ)
Because you are using a very flimsy pretext to ignore polling that you don't like.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:04 PM (5p18q)
*****
Until very recently you were using the very same pretext to glean the result you wanted too. So, how do those polls look when you include your boy Johnson and Greenie Stein, Perfesser?
Because you are using a very flimsy pretext to ignore polling that you don't like.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:04 PM (5p18q)
*****
Until very recently you were using the very same pretext to glean the result you wanted too. So, how do those polls look when you include your boy Johnson and Greenie Stein, Perfesser?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:06 PM (YLidQ)
444
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 23, 2016 09:01 PM (P/kVC)
oh , too bad...what do the polls say ?
oh , too bad...what do the polls say ?
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:08 PM (c6/9Q)
445
442 Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:02 PM (YLidQ)
Because you are using a very flimsy pretext to ignore polling that you don't like.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:04 PM (5p18q)
Sasser geogia had a rally for Trump during the primaries, and the attendance was close to 5000 from what my friends told me who attended. Trump was never suppose to attend. This was early in the primaries.
I have friends and family that live across the state both libs and cons. Not one of them not their family members are voting for Hillary. Also, I have not heard of one sighting of a Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign yet. Anywhere.
Because you are using a very flimsy pretext to ignore polling that you don't like.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:04 PM (5p18q)
Sasser geogia had a rally for Trump during the primaries, and the attendance was close to 5000 from what my friends told me who attended. Trump was never suppose to attend. This was early in the primaries.
I have friends and family that live across the state both libs and cons. Not one of them not their family members are voting for Hillary. Also, I have not heard of one sighting of a Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign yet. Anywhere.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:09 PM (CV0nS)
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 09:10 PM (ru2SK)
447
Until very recently you were using the very same
pretext to glean the result you wanted too.
Umm, no I wasn't. I posted evidence and data that could be falsified, not lame anecdotal crap.
So, how do those polls look
when you include your boy Johnson and Greenie Stein, Perfesser?
Do your own fucking math. I even provided the numbers for you. If you want me to do your math for you, then you should be paying tuition. I will give you a hint: Georgia is still a swing state.
pretext to glean the result you wanted too.
Umm, no I wasn't. I posted evidence and data that could be falsified, not lame anecdotal crap.
So, how do those polls look
when you include your boy Johnson and Greenie Stein, Perfesser?
Do your own fucking math. I even provided the numbers for you. If you want me to do your math for you, then you should be paying tuition. I will give you a hint: Georgia is still a swing state.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:10 PM (5p18q)
448
So Trump supporters: Exactly how much does Trump have to change position before you will accept that this has all been a glorious mistake?
Posted by: Picky at August 23, 2016 09:10 PM (O+GV5)
449
New Reuters poll out shows Hillary +12 nationally.
The race is officially in Clinton/Dole blowout phase now.
The race is officially in Clinton/Dole blowout phase now.
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 23, 2016 09:11 PM (hYg7T)
450
No Ace, he's not effing over anyone. He's attempting to win an election to avoid plunging the US into an even deeper nightmare. This, unfortunately, is proving more difficult than necessary due to the 24-7 onslaught by GOPe naysayers, Never-Trumpeters, and overwrought bloggers.
Posted by: Yan Yanson from Wi. at August 23, 2016 09:11 PM (ZFwmc)
451
I have friends and family that live across the state
both libs and cons. Not one of them not their family members are voting
for Hillary. Also, I have not heard of one sighting of a Hillary bumper
sticker or yard sign yet. Anywhere.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:09 PM (CV0nS)
Your circle of friends and family does not include many, if any, supporters of the opposing team. That is fine. That is what most people's circle of friends would likely look like. That doesn't invalidate the polling. That just means your circle of friends is not representative of the state as a whole.
both libs and cons. Not one of them not their family members are voting
for Hillary. Also, I have not heard of one sighting of a Hillary bumper
sticker or yard sign yet. Anywhere.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:09 PM (CV0nS)
Your circle of friends and family does not include many, if any, supporters of the opposing team. That is fine. That is what most people's circle of friends would likely look like. That doesn't invalidate the polling. That just means your circle of friends is not representative of the state as a whole.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:13 PM (5p18q)
452
I voting against the evil witch. If you were talking to me Picky please stop calling me a Trump supporter it hurts enough already.
Posted by: frreaked at August 23, 2016 09:17 PM (BO/km)
453
451 I have friends and family that live across the state
both libs and cons. Not one of them not their family members are voting
for Hillary. Also, I have not heard of one sighting of a Hillary bumper
sticker or yard sign yet. Anywhere.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:09 PM (CV0nS)
Your circle of friends and family does not include many, if any, supporters of the opposing team. That is fine. That is what most people's circle of friends would likely look like. That doesn't invalidate the polling. That just means your circle of friends is not representative of the state as a whole.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:13 PM (5p18q
Half voted for Obama and faught to the death for him in 2008. About a third did the same in 2012.
Do you even comprehend what you read or just shoot from the hip.
both libs and cons. Not one of them not their family members are voting
for Hillary. Also, I have not heard of one sighting of a Hillary bumper
sticker or yard sign yet. Anywhere.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:09 PM (CV0nS)
Your circle of friends and family does not include many, if any, supporters of the opposing team. That is fine. That is what most people's circle of friends would likely look like. That doesn't invalidate the polling. That just means your circle of friends is not representative of the state as a whole.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:13 PM (5p18q
Half voted for Obama and faught to the death for him in 2008. About a third did the same in 2012.
Do you even comprehend what you read or just shoot from the hip.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:20 PM (CV0nS)
454
You mean Cheeto Jesus is the establishment crony he's been his entire business life? Wow who could have seen that coming.
Posted by: Kzintius at August 23, 2016 09:20 PM (Tf8s7)
455
In case any of the DNC paid trolls show up here lying about Trumps visit to Austin, here is a great site detailing exactly the agenda for today, who is showing up for a fundraiser, meet and photo op , and the fact that the evening rally tonight has a line 1/3 mile long to get in that has people who waited in the afternoon heat for their seat.
http://tinyurl.com/zdczwrj
http://tinyurl.com/zdczwrj
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 09:21 PM (aSpG0)
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Winona, ik giet bonen op uw heuvels! Toestaan dat mijn augurk en knijp mijn bieten!
Er is geen sterretje door mijn liefde!
Er is geen sterretje door mijn liefde!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 09:22 PM (0G1TT)
457
449
New Reuters poll out shows Hillary +12 nationally.
The race is officially in Clinton/Dole blowout phase now.
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 23, 2016 09:11 PM (hYg7T)
Actually, Dole only lost by 8.5% in the popular vote.
We may be in Mondale territory.....
New Reuters poll out shows Hillary +12 nationally.
The race is officially in Clinton/Dole blowout phase now.
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 23, 2016 09:11 PM (hYg7T)
Actually, Dole only lost by 8.5% in the popular vote.
We may be in Mondale territory.....
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:22 PM (5p18q)
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Well, if we have to vote for Trump in order to stop Hillary Clinton from turning the Supreme Court into the North Korean Politburo then it doesn't matter what his plan is.
You have to accept it.
By the way, shouldn't we have made him detail the plan during the primaries? Is that asking too much.
You have to accept it.
By the way, shouldn't we have made him detail the plan during the primaries? Is that asking too much.
Posted by: SteveMG at August 23, 2016 09:23 PM (Lp67s)
459
Do you even comprehend what you read or just shoot from the hip.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:20 PM (CV0nS)
Which do you expect me to believe, polling that is representative of the state as a whole, or the opinions of your relatively small circle of family and friends?
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:20 PM (CV0nS)
Which do you expect me to believe, polling that is representative of the state as a whole, or the opinions of your relatively small circle of family and friends?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:24 PM (5p18q)
460
Chemjeff, I will eat crow if Hillary wins Georgia. I'll film it wearing a Mexican wrestling mask and send it to you to post.
Will you do the same if Trump wins Georgia? If so we have a bet. If not then you are all talk and are trolling.
Will you do the same if Trump wins Georgia? If so we have a bet. If not then you are all talk and are trolling.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:24 PM (CV0nS)
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"24-7 onslaught by GOPe naysayers, Never-Trumpeters, and overwrought bloggers."
Stop it, please. You actually believe that the average voter out there who is against Trump is doing so because of the above?
None of those voters know NRO from their rear ends.
You Trump supporters sound like leftwing victimologists. In fact, you're exactly like that just with a different political agenda.
Stop it, please. You actually believe that the average voter out there who is against Trump is doing so because of the above?
None of those voters know NRO from their rear ends.
You Trump supporters sound like leftwing victimologists. In fact, you're exactly like that just with a different political agenda.
Posted by: SteveMG at August 23, 2016 09:25 PM (Lp67s)
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Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:24 PM (CV0nS)
I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I am only pointing out that the state is a "tossup" according to recent polling.
I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I am only pointing out that the state is a "tossup" according to recent polling.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:27 PM (5p18q)
463
Well Trump very early said the wall only would be about 1000 miles, due to other natural borders. And he had Giuliani with a plan for added security ... so Trump has not changed on that.
Back when I was hoping for walker, Walker said we'd stop the flow, THEN decide what to do with those here later. They were sure that was the smart approach ... to not promise amnesty nor deporting, it would be figured out after border control.
Trump said they'd have to go back but never explained how easy it would be to come back through that big beautiful door in his beautiful wall. He always said he'd be humane with those here illegally. "Trust me, trust me"
All he has changed now is he is starting with those that are criminals, gang members. Trump now puts emphasis on deporting "LEGALLY", and some emphasis on increasing demands for e-verify. And still must be fair to US workers and those waiting to come in. Just no emphasis now, on forced deporting 11 million, humanely.
POTENTIALLY that is no change at all ... unless he was promising mass deportations by force, which I don't recall. A deportation force ... he had said that and still will, using current law. So there is softening a little ... but he had also said he would negotiate. I just don't see this as "OMG he is copping out, he is just like Rubio". That could still happen, but he does want to get elected first.
But I guess the Trump haters need to get in a lot of "see we told you so" ... but I was never sure who he was going to let back in through his beautiful door. In that sense he took the Walker approach ... border control first. Close the border, gangsters out, Americans first, the rest slowly "self deport". Still the best option, more realistic now. He needs to say "no amnesty" to make me happy, but he always had the "touch back amnesty" on the table.
Back when I was hoping for walker, Walker said we'd stop the flow, THEN decide what to do with those here later. They were sure that was the smart approach ... to not promise amnesty nor deporting, it would be figured out after border control.
Trump said they'd have to go back but never explained how easy it would be to come back through that big beautiful door in his beautiful wall. He always said he'd be humane with those here illegally. "Trust me, trust me"
All he has changed now is he is starting with those that are criminals, gang members. Trump now puts emphasis on deporting "LEGALLY", and some emphasis on increasing demands for e-verify. And still must be fair to US workers and those waiting to come in. Just no emphasis now, on forced deporting 11 million, humanely.
POTENTIALLY that is no change at all ... unless he was promising mass deportations by force, which I don't recall. A deportation force ... he had said that and still will, using current law. So there is softening a little ... but he had also said he would negotiate. I just don't see this as "OMG he is copping out, he is just like Rubio". That could still happen, but he does want to get elected first.
But I guess the Trump haters need to get in a lot of "see we told you so" ... but I was never sure who he was going to let back in through his beautiful door. In that sense he took the Walker approach ... border control first. Close the border, gangsters out, Americans first, the rest slowly "self deport". Still the best option, more realistic now. He needs to say "no amnesty" to make me happy, but he always had the "touch back amnesty" on the table.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (l6e0e)
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>>>460 Chemjeff, I will eat crow if Hillary wins Georgia. I'll film it wearing a Mexican wrestling mask and send it to you to post.
Will you do the same if Trump wins Georgia? If so we have a bet. If not then you are all talk and are trolling.
I think someone should wear Ultimate Warrior makeup plus the arm tassels.
Will you do the same if Trump wins Georgia? If so we have a bet. If not then you are all talk and are trolling.
I think someone should wear Ultimate Warrior makeup plus the arm tassels.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (0G1TT)
465
Do your own fucking math. I even provided the numbers for you. If you want me to do your math for you, then you should be paying tuition. I will give you a hint: Georgia is still a swing state.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:10 PM (5p18q)
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Really, Perfesser? Please show me said maths you did.
I am interested because I will not pay one dime to any institution that employs someone who cannot argue his way out of a brown fucking paper bag without resorting to Strawmen and insults to come to his conclusions.
IMO, Perfesser, you are the problem. But, like Eric Erickson and the other GOPe douchebags, you have staked out your position as "Conservative". Big ole LOL there.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:10 PM (5p18q)
****
Really, Perfesser? Please show me said maths you did.
I am interested because I will not pay one dime to any institution that employs someone who cannot argue his way out of a brown fucking paper bag without resorting to Strawmen and insults to come to his conclusions.
IMO, Perfesser, you are the problem. But, like Eric Erickson and the other GOPe douchebags, you have staked out your position as "Conservative". Big ole LOL there.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (YLidQ)
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'Which do you expect me to believe, polling that is representative of the state as a whole, or the opinions of your relatively small circle of family and friends?'
What makes you think the poll is accurate? It's probably mostly Atlanta metro. If Ga goes for HRC it won't be my damn fault though it will be those damn Yankees that have infested my state.
What makes you think the poll is accurate? It's probably mostly Atlanta metro. If Ga goes for HRC it won't be my damn fault though it will be those damn Yankees that have infested my state.
Posted by: frreaked at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (BO/km)
467
459 Do you even comprehend what you read or just shoot from the hip.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:20 PM (CV0nS)
Which do you expect me to believe, polling that is representative of the state as a whole, or the opinions of your relatively small circle of family and friends?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:24 PM (
I expect you to believe a fellow American countryman and brother, whose family has bled for your Constitutional Rights over a bunch of transnational progressives who hates you and your Constitutional Rights and don't care one bit about you because you are not a part of Their Club.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:20 PM (CV0nS)
Which do you expect me to believe, polling that is representative of the state as a whole, or the opinions of your relatively small circle of family and friends?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:24 PM (
I expect you to believe a fellow American countryman and brother, whose family has bled for your Constitutional Rights over a bunch of transnational progressives who hates you and your Constitutional Rights and don't care one bit about you because you are not a part of Their Club.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (CV0nS)
468
Holding your candidate to a major campaign promise - and discussing his possible abandonment of it - is now "Trump hating."
If you try to hold this man to any standard, to any position, you're for Hillary and are a hater of Trump.
Please Trump supporters, just say you don't care what he says or does or advocates. At least be honest. Whatever he says is fine.
If you try to hold this man to any standard, to any position, you're for Hillary and are a hater of Trump.
Please Trump supporters, just say you don't care what he says or does or advocates. At least be honest. Whatever he says is fine.
Posted by: SteveMG at August 23, 2016 09:30 PM (Lp67s)
469
462 Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:24 PM (CV0nS)
I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I am only pointing out that the state is a "tossup" according to recent polling.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:27 PM (5p18q
Come on Chemjeff. Make the bet if GA is really a swing state as you claim.
I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I am only pointing out that the state is a "tossup" according to recent polling.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:27 PM (5p18q
Come on Chemjeff. Make the bet if GA is really a swing state as you claim.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:30 PM (CV0nS)
470
Trump is still smelling better than Hillary... Even if he goes full Rubio.
Posted by: setnaffa at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (jl6Ly)
471
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (YLidQ)
You wouldn't understand my dissertation even if you got a brain transplant. So kindly fuck off.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (YLidQ)
You wouldn't understand my dissertation even if you got a brain transplant. So kindly fuck off.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (5p18q)
472
Fair enough, but most of the money for education is allocated at the state level. I'm not sure what the current federal law is on education funding but President Trump can't order the Dept of Ed to disregard the law.
Well, I guess he could, but I'm not sure I like the idea of disregarding laws that are inconvenient. If it's an impeachable offense when Obama does so it would be for a Republican president too. I think throwing out rule of law for turnabout is fair play would be a disastrous path to follow.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 09:03 PM (fn3+
I'm talking about universities. They accept federal funding with only a handful that don't. Hillsdale doesn't and it's possible they may be the only college in the country that refuses all federal money, including accepting students who take federal grants and loans.
Why? Because they ended up being told by the Feds in 1984 to start counting the race of the students. Hillsdale was one of the first colleges in the nation to prohibt discrimination of gender race and religion and was anti slavery from the beginning. After a legal battle, Hillsdale lost and decided the only thing they could do to remain independent of govt. interference was to stop any funding by the gov.
So, yes, the Federal gov. funding is able to be removed at will from the college level educational experience.
Well, I guess he could, but I'm not sure I like the idea of disregarding laws that are inconvenient. If it's an impeachable offense when Obama does so it would be for a Republican president too. I think throwing out rule of law for turnabout is fair play would be a disastrous path to follow.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 23, 2016 09:03 PM (fn3+
I'm talking about universities. They accept federal funding with only a handful that don't. Hillsdale doesn't and it's possible they may be the only college in the country that refuses all federal money, including accepting students who take federal grants and loans.
Why? Because they ended up being told by the Feds in 1984 to start counting the race of the students. Hillsdale was one of the first colleges in the nation to prohibt discrimination of gender race and religion and was anti slavery from the beginning. After a legal battle, Hillsdale lost and decided the only thing they could do to remain independent of govt. interference was to stop any funding by the gov.
So, yes, the Federal gov. funding is able to be removed at will from the college level educational experience.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (aSpG0)
473
Dunno. I've been listening to his speech in Austin right now.
No mention of changing his mind, nor anything about a "pivot".
And he still has to speak to Hannity at 9 p.m. (CST)
Nuttin' of nuttin'. Yet.
No mention of changing his mind, nor anything about a "pivot".
And he still has to speak to Hannity at 9 p.m. (CST)
Nuttin' of nuttin'. Yet.
Posted by: theduchessofkitty at August 23, 2016 09:32 PM (NtsQB)
474
Caw Caw! Come on Jeff eat me! Caw Caw!
Posted by: The Crow at August 23, 2016 09:32 PM (BO/km)
475
Trump loves his country and you can figure what ever he does, he will be be better than the POS alternative.
Trump loves his country and you can figure what ever he does, he will be be better than the POS alternative.
Posted by: NPR certified--Too White to Comment at August 23, 2016 09:32 PM (AV4JD)
476
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:28 PM (CV0nS)
i like georgia, so i will help you out with this: by arguing with cj you are casting pearls before a prog
i like georgia, so i will help you out with this: by arguing with cj you are casting pearls before a prog
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:33 PM (c6/9Q)
477
>>>You wouldn't understand my dissertation even if you got a brain transplant. So kindly fuck off.
"I couldn't fuck a gorilla!!"
"I couldn't fuck a gorilla!!"
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 23, 2016 09:33 PM (0G1TT)
478
468 Holding your candidate to a major campaign promise - and discussing his possible abandonment of it - is now "Trump hating."
If you try to hold this man to any standard, to any position, you're for Hillary and are a hater of Trump.
Please Trump supporters, just say you don't care what he says or does or advocates. At least be honest. Whatever he says is fine.
Posted by: SteveMG at August 23, 2016 09:30 PM (Lp67s
I expect him to act like a typical politician and make adjustments to win the general election.
Translation I would not be surprised if he was a liar like all the other politicians in DC, but we will not know until he gets there. So maybe he won't lie as much. Maybe he will act like a drunken Italian with a stolen credit card at the nudie bar.
I'll take my chances over the Status Quo.
If you try to hold this man to any standard, to any position, you're for Hillary and are a hater of Trump.
Please Trump supporters, just say you don't care what he says or does or advocates. At least be honest. Whatever he says is fine.
Posted by: SteveMG at August 23, 2016 09:30 PM (Lp67s
I expect him to act like a typical politician and make adjustments to win the general election.
Translation I would not be surprised if he was a liar like all the other politicians in DC, but we will not know until he gets there. So maybe he won't lie as much. Maybe he will act like a drunken Italian with a stolen credit card at the nudie bar.
I'll take my chances over the Status Quo.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:35 PM (CV0nS)
479
Trump started his Austin rally with mothers of people killed by illegal immigrants. So, what are you worrying about? Honestly. Watch what he says.
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 09:35 PM (ru2SK)
480
You wouldn't understand my dissertation even if you got a brain transplant. So kindly fuck off.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (5p18q)
****
Translation: "I can not back up my positions and fuck you for asking. Rube."
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a Lib Perfesser at all.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (5p18q)
****
Translation: "I can not back up my positions and fuck you for asking. Rube."
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a Lib Perfesser at all.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:36 PM (YLidQ)
481
You wouldn't understand my dissertation even if you got a brain transplant. So kindly fuck off.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (5p18q)
IIRC it was an ending comment like this that got Moo Moo banned.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:31 PM (5p18q)
IIRC it was an ending comment like this that got Moo Moo banned.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 23, 2016 09:38 PM (piHZw)
482
--Use of emotionally charged, bullying tactics to get people to shut up and silently accept your narrative will be responded to by a banning.-- ACE
Thanks Ace. I've been coming here for years and years. Because of your sense of humor and quick wit. Thought you were a real gem. You had God's gifts, I thought.
It pains me now.
I don't care if anybody accepts my narrative. Especially not silently! So you got me, and my kind figured all wrong. I am not a bully, never have been. Just an angry dude, like you - about to use some angry language (like you do very often) to make my point.
Lately - you, and a good number of my friends - cannot stop beating down, vilifying, and degrading our candidate.
Sorry you don't like him. Sorry he won, fair and square. Sorry he's the only guy in the last 50 years that understands fighting and WINNING is dirty.
I didn't like any of the RINOs I was forced to vote for for the last 34 fucking years. But I voted for the R anyway, like a good and dutiful R, conservative should, right? Everyone on the right said, "he's not perfect, of course, but he's better than the liberal opponent."
Now you and your fellows abandon that philosophy and have turned. Now I am supposed to suffer your righteous indignation while you retire to the fainting couch? Our guy ain't good enough all of a sudden? Fuck you!
The "conservatives" and you have asked us to swallow liver oil for so many elections, for the collective good, for America,
But this one election is too much for you, right? You won't swallow the liver oil - it's only the stupid rubes who do that, right?
I've had it with your bitching. I've supported you and your ilk while you sat silently, helped the left rape me and mine thru your proxies Boehner, McConnell, McCain - who else? (Nice show they put on, bro).
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
In case you don't understand, you tender-feeling fuckwit, THIS IS THE LAST STAND.
And yet you continue every day to chip away at our own block.
Have you learned nothing from 50 years of "Progressive" progression? They never, EVER fail to circle the wagons. They never, EVER fail to support their felons, their murderers, their sodomites running prostitution rings in fucking congress. And they WIN. Always.
No, Miss Manners, you are focused on on your personal image. Polite and upright to the end, right? Nice strategy.
Now fuck off. And fuck off again.
Keep fucking yourself until Hillary is in office and takes your life savings that Trump thought you had a right to keep. But he's a fool, right? An ignoramus? Uncultured brute?
I guess he wasn't nice-nice enough for you when he tried to defend America and her principles so inelegantly, right?
So you'll gladly give up the republic, all of it to preserve your righteous image of yourself.
Trump wants a triumphant America but you can't get behind it, because why??
Inelegance?
Did I mention, fuck off?
In case I didn't, because maybe I forgot, let me announce again, "fuck off!"
And how bout this? "Suck Hillary's dick!"
Have you noticed that you've been banning an ever growing list of once-supporters??
Hmm. We're all bamboozled and befuddled. How can it be? What a complete fucking mystery!
Thanks Ace. I've been coming here for years and years. Because of your sense of humor and quick wit. Thought you were a real gem. You had God's gifts, I thought.
It pains me now.
I don't care if anybody accepts my narrative. Especially not silently! So you got me, and my kind figured all wrong. I am not a bully, never have been. Just an angry dude, like you - about to use some angry language (like you do very often) to make my point.
Lately - you, and a good number of my friends - cannot stop beating down, vilifying, and degrading our candidate.
Sorry you don't like him. Sorry he won, fair and square. Sorry he's the only guy in the last 50 years that understands fighting and WINNING is dirty.
I didn't like any of the RINOs I was forced to vote for for the last 34 fucking years. But I voted for the R anyway, like a good and dutiful R, conservative should, right? Everyone on the right said, "he's not perfect, of course, but he's better than the liberal opponent."
Now you and your fellows abandon that philosophy and have turned. Now I am supposed to suffer your righteous indignation while you retire to the fainting couch? Our guy ain't good enough all of a sudden? Fuck you!
The "conservatives" and you have asked us to swallow liver oil for so many elections, for the collective good, for America,
But this one election is too much for you, right? You won't swallow the liver oil - it's only the stupid rubes who do that, right?
I've had it with your bitching. I've supported you and your ilk while you sat silently, helped the left rape me and mine thru your proxies Boehner, McConnell, McCain - who else? (Nice show they put on, bro).
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
In case you don't understand, you tender-feeling fuckwit, THIS IS THE LAST STAND.
And yet you continue every day to chip away at our own block.
Have you learned nothing from 50 years of "Progressive" progression? They never, EVER fail to circle the wagons. They never, EVER fail to support their felons, their murderers, their sodomites running prostitution rings in fucking congress. And they WIN. Always.
No, Miss Manners, you are focused on on your personal image. Polite and upright to the end, right? Nice strategy.
Now fuck off. And fuck off again.
Keep fucking yourself until Hillary is in office and takes your life savings that Trump thought you had a right to keep. But he's a fool, right? An ignoramus? Uncultured brute?
I guess he wasn't nice-nice enough for you when he tried to defend America and her principles so inelegantly, right?
So you'll gladly give up the republic, all of it to preserve your righteous image of yourself.
Trump wants a triumphant America but you can't get behind it, because why??
Inelegance?
Did I mention, fuck off?
In case I didn't, because maybe I forgot, let me announce again, "fuck off!"
And how bout this? "Suck Hillary's dick!"
Have you noticed that you've been banning an ever growing list of once-supporters??
Hmm. We're all bamboozled and befuddled. How can it be? What a complete fucking mystery!
Posted by: FredB at August 23, 2016 09:39 PM (c5sfq)
483
IIRC it was an ending comment like this that got Moo Moo banned.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 23, 2016 09:38 PM (piHZw)
yeah - don't get why they don't apply the same rules for everyone, especially this character
Posted by: Country Boy at August 23, 2016 09:38 PM (piHZw)
yeah - don't get why they don't apply the same rules for everyone, especially this character
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:41 PM (c6/9Q)
484
moo moo got banned ??
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:42 PM (c6/9Q)
485
I'll take my chances over the Status Quo.
Okay, but isn't it possible to do both, to hold two ideas in your head at the same time? That is hold him to his promises AND also say that he's the better alternative.
The reason Trump can continue to play this game is that too many of his supporters just say, "Well, he's not as bad as what we have."
I would suggest that if his supporters yelled and screamed a bit that he would stop doing things like this.
Okay, but isn't it possible to do both, to hold two ideas in your head at the same time? That is hold him to his promises AND also say that he's the better alternative.
The reason Trump can continue to play this game is that too many of his supporters just say, "Well, he's not as bad as what we have."
I would suggest that if his supporters yelled and screamed a bit that he would stop doing things like this.
Posted by: SteveMG at August 23, 2016 09:44 PM (Lp67s)
486
yeah - don't get why they don't apply the same rules for everyone, especially this character
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:41 PM (c6/9Q)
*****
A once very active and now background COB enjoyed his posts. Actually said he would take one of this Perfesser over 3 to 4 regular commenters. So, in the past he had a White Knight. The results have been predictable.
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:41 PM (c6/9Q)
*****
A once very active and now background COB enjoyed his posts. Actually said he would take one of this Perfesser over 3 to 4 regular commenters. So, in the past he had a White Knight. The results have been predictable.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (YLidQ)
487
All of this because people will not accept the verifiable facts that are presented directly to their faces.
Fine, go ahead and believe that your circle of friends is somehow representative of the whole state. I really don't give a shit.
Fine, go ahead and believe that your circle of friends is somehow representative of the whole state. I really don't give a shit.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (uAvJJ)
488
I expect you to believe a fellow American countryman and brother, whose
family has bled for your Constitutional Rights over a bunch of
transnational progressives who hates you and your Constitutional Rights
and don't care one bit about you because you are not a part of Their
Club.
Look, this isn't about believing Hillary or not. This is about the polling. Do you believe the polls in Georgia are wrong? If so, do you have any evidence to support your hypothesis?
family has bled for your Constitutional Rights over a bunch of
transnational progressives who hates you and your Constitutional Rights
and don't care one bit about you because you are not a part of Their
Club.
Look, this isn't about believing Hillary or not. This is about the polling. Do you believe the polls in Georgia are wrong? If so, do you have any evidence to support your hypothesis?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:47 PM (uAvJJ)
489
I would suggest that if his supporters yelled and screamed a bit that he would stop doing things like this.
1.I'm not a supporter I'm voting against the witch.
2.DT isn't going to stop doing things like this it's his nature.
1.I'm not a supporter I'm voting against the witch.
2.DT isn't going to stop doing things like this it's his nature.
Posted by: The Crow at August 23, 2016 09:48 PM (BO/km)
490
A once very active and now background COB enjoyed
his posts. Actually said he would take one of this Perfesser over 3 to 4
regular commenters. So, in the past he had a White Knight. The results
have been predictable.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (YLidQ)
how does the business model - is it hits ?
his posts. Actually said he would take one of this Perfesser over 3 to 4
regular commenters. So, in the past he had a White Knight. The results
have been predictable.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (YLidQ)
how does the business model - is it hits ?
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:49 PM (c6/9Q)
491
487 All of this because people will not accept the verifiable facts that are presented directly to their faces.
Fine, go ahead and believe that your circle of friends is somehow representative of the whole state. I really don't give a shit.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (uAvJJ)
Dude, my family and circle of friends have been involved in statewide and national politics since our grandparents.
I offered a crow eating bet because I'm certain that GA is not a swing state.
You have declined so far.
The End.
Fine, go ahead and believe that your circle of friends is somehow representative of the whole state. I really don't give a shit.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (uAvJJ)
Dude, my family and circle of friends have been involved in statewide and national politics since our grandparents.
I offered a crow eating bet because I'm certain that GA is not a swing state.
You have declined so far.
The End.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:51 PM (CV0nS)
492
And by the way. I live in Missouri. Which is ALSO now a swing state. Do you think I enjoy thinking about this state going for Hillary? No I don't. But at least I am mature enough to recognize that my circle of friends is not representative of the whole state and that maybe the polls have a point.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:51 PM (uAvJJ)
493
Fine, go ahead and believe that your circle of friends is somehow representative of the whole state. I really don't give a shit.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (uAvJJ)
****
Come on Perfesser, your input is obviously sorely needed here. What else would the rubes who could not understand your dissertation about Chemistry do to find a Political thought direction?
Cuz those two things are totes related.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:45 PM (uAvJJ)
****
Come on Perfesser, your input is obviously sorely needed here. What else would the rubes who could not understand your dissertation about Chemistry do to find a Political thought direction?
Cuz those two things are totes related.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:51 PM (YLidQ)
494
I offered a crow eating bet because I'm certain that GA is not a swing state.
The polls as of this moment say otherwise.
I offered a crow eating bet because I'm certain that GA is not a swing state.
The polls as of this moment say otherwise.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:52 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 09:52 PM (dBCRC)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:53 PM (uAvJJ)
497
SteveMG
Why don't you watch the Austin rally with the mothers of those killed by illegal aliens featured prominently and listen to what Trump says instead of believing the Washington Post?
SteveMG
Why don't you watch the Austin rally with the mothers of those killed by illegal aliens featured prominently and listen to what Trump says instead of believing the Washington Post?
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 09:53 PM (ru2SK)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 09:53 PM (dBCRC)
499
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 09:52 PM (dBCRC)
oh look, it's Mr. Passive-Aggressive
oh look, it's Mr. Passive-Aggressive
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:54 PM (uAvJJ)
500
488 I expect you to believe a fellow American countryman and brother, whose
family has bled for your Constitutional Rights over a bunch of
transnational progressives who hates you and your Constitutional Rights
and don't care one bit about you because you are not a part of Their
Club.
Look, this isn't about believing Hillary or not. This is about the polling. Do you believe the polls in Georgia are wrong? If so, do you have any evidence to support your hypothesis?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:47 PM (uAvJJ)
Yes. I do. Polls cost money and usually involve corporations. The polls are using 2012 methodology and not methodology based on the primaries.
Therefore, they are wrong.
You are welcome.
family has bled for your Constitutional Rights over a bunch of
transnational progressives who hates you and your Constitutional Rights
and don't care one bit about you because you are not a part of Their
Club.
Look, this isn't about believing Hillary or not. This is about the polling. Do you believe the polls in Georgia are wrong? If so, do you have any evidence to support your hypothesis?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:47 PM (uAvJJ)
Yes. I do. Polls cost money and usually involve corporations. The polls are using 2012 methodology and not methodology based on the primaries.
Therefore, they are wrong.
You are welcome.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 09:55 PM (CV0nS)
501
Perry or Cruz were my favorites. Trump won. He has my unqualified support and I'm appalled that the silly WAPO article is given enough credence to cause this silly level of uproar. FredB strikes me as on the spot with his never trumper criticisms.
Posted by: Guaman at August 23, 2016 09:55 PM (OMMdV)
502
Trump does really well in townhall type settings; should be interesting
Posted by: runner at August 23, 2016 09:55 PM (c6/9Q)
503
troll
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:53 PM (uAvJJ)
****
I assume self awareness was not part of your course of study to get to your vaunted dissertation.
Yes?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:53 PM (uAvJJ)
****
I assume self awareness was not part of your course of study to get to your vaunted dissertation.
Yes?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:56 PM (YLidQ)
504
oh look, it's Mr. Passive-Aggressive
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:54 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
My irony meter just blew a Fetzer valve.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:54 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
My irony meter just blew a Fetzer valve.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (YLidQ)
505
CJ -
You're not doing yourself any favors insulting people who give you a bit of good natured grief. It's this sort of thing that makes people who haven't been here long form incomplete and perhaps incorrect opinions about you.
You're not doing yourself any favors insulting people who give you a bit of good natured grief. It's this sort of thing that makes people who haven't been here long form incomplete and perhaps incorrect opinions about you.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (dBCRC)
506
Polls cost money and usually involve corporations.
This is a logical fallacy. The sponsor of the claim does not de-legitimize the validity of the claim. That is just another form of the ad hominem fallacy.
The polls are using 2012 methodology and not methodology based on the primaries.
What is your evidence for this claim?
This is a logical fallacy. The sponsor of the claim does not de-legitimize the validity of the claim. That is just another form of the ad hominem fallacy.
The polls are using 2012 methodology and not methodology based on the primaries.
What is your evidence for this claim?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: The Crow, just caws at August 23, 2016 09:59 PM (BO/km)
508
460 Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization
Chemjeff, I will eat crow if Hillary wins Georgia. I'll film it wearing a Mexican wrestling mask and send it to you to post.
Will you do the same if Trump wins Georgia? If so we have a bet. If not then you are all talk and are trolling.
Not to put too fine a point on things, but this looks like a reasonable way to settle the argument.
It's all fine and good to ask for evidence about pollsters, poling methods and even poll results ... but this is about as serious as baseball statistics involving number of runners on base, night games, etc.
So. Is there a bet?
460 Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization
Chemjeff, I will eat crow if Hillary wins Georgia. I'll film it wearing a Mexican wrestling mask and send it to you to post.
Will you do the same if Trump wins Georgia? If so we have a bet. If not then you are all talk and are trolling.
Not to put too fine a point on things, but this looks like a reasonable way to settle the argument.
It's all fine and good to ask for evidence about pollsters, poling methods and even poll results ... but this is about as serious as baseball statistics involving number of runners on base, night games, etc.
So. Is there a bet?
Posted by: Arbalest at August 23, 2016 10:02 PM (FlRtG)
509
501 Perry or Cruz were my favorites. Trump won. He has my unqualified support and I'm appalled that the silly WAPO article is given enough credence to cause this silly level of uproar. FredB strikes me as on the spot with his never trumper criticisms.
Posted by: Guaman at August 23, 2016 09:55 PM (OMMdV)
Damn straight. Maybe some folks think they're too good to watch a Trump speech like the one in Austin, so they want to rely upon a BS factually void story from the WaPo for their Trump information.
Posted by: Guaman at August 23, 2016 09:55 PM (OMMdV)
Damn straight. Maybe some folks think they're too good to watch a Trump speech like the one in Austin, so they want to rely upon a BS factually void story from the WaPo for their Trump information.
Posted by: Bernette at August 23, 2016 10:03 PM (ru2SK)
510
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (dBCRC)
When you decided to question my integrity for deciding to return to this place, that was too much. Yes I was insulted by that. I don't mind a few jokes at my expense. I do mind people accusing me, in a passive-aggressive manner, of lacking principles or ethics. And even if that wasn't your intent, that is how it came across.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (dBCRC)
When you decided to question my integrity for deciding to return to this place, that was too much. Yes I was insulted by that. I don't mind a few jokes at my expense. I do mind people accusing me, in a passive-aggressive manner, of lacking principles or ethics. And even if that wasn't your intent, that is how it came across.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:05 PM (uAvJJ)
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Posted by: Arbalest at August 23, 2016 10:02 PM (FlRtG)
But I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I don't believe that proposition myself.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 23, 2016 10:02 PM (FlRtG)
But I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I don't believe that proposition myself.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:06 PM (uAvJJ)
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But I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I don't believe that proposition myself.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:06 PM (uAvJJ)
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Then you were just trolling. Got it.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:06 PM (uAvJJ)
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Then you were just trolling. Got it.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:08 PM (YLidQ)
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There was never going to be a mass deportation. The best anybody could really have is deporting the bad ones, enforcing the laws on the books, and start the process of legalization for those who were already in the country.
Get rid of the anchor baby and welfare benefits. If you are in the country to work, that's what you are going to do. Work!
Get rid of the anchor baby and welfare benefits. If you are in the country to work, that's what you are going to do. Work!
Posted by: John Paterson at August 23, 2016 10:10 PM (iu3ST)
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506 Polls cost money and usually involve corporations.
This is a logical fallacy. The sponsor of the claim does not de-legitimize the validity of the claim. That is just another form of the ad hominem fallacy.
The polls are using 2012 methodology and not methodology based on the primaries.
What is your evidence for this claim?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (uAvJJ
No Jeff it is not a logical fallacy but common sense and proven that people pay pollsters for the desired results. It is reality in this election. 45 million in Wall Street donations to Hillary. 19k in Wall Street donations to Trump.
My proof is reading the internals. They all use and "weigh" polls based on 2012 general election.
Using the model based on the Primary turnouts the republican ticket ie Trump is expected to get over 73 million votes. See the Monster Vote. Also look at the republican primary that shattered records for voters and had many new registered republicans and many of those were cross over democrats and independents.
I'm done arguing. Put up the wrestling mask or make up and eat crow over Georgia or don't. Take the bet or don't. You are super convinced that Georgia is a swing state so it is a fair even bet. Hillary takes Georgia I eat the crow. Trump wins and you eat the crow.
This is a logical fallacy. The sponsor of the claim does not de-legitimize the validity of the claim. That is just another form of the ad hominem fallacy.
The polls are using 2012 methodology and not methodology based on the primaries.
What is your evidence for this claim?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 09:58 PM (uAvJJ
No Jeff it is not a logical fallacy but common sense and proven that people pay pollsters for the desired results. It is reality in this election. 45 million in Wall Street donations to Hillary. 19k in Wall Street donations to Trump.
My proof is reading the internals. They all use and "weigh" polls based on 2012 general election.
Using the model based on the Primary turnouts the republican ticket ie Trump is expected to get over 73 million votes. See the Monster Vote. Also look at the republican primary that shattered records for voters and had many new registered republicans and many of those were cross over democrats and independents.
I'm done arguing. Put up the wrestling mask or make up and eat crow over Georgia or don't. Take the bet or don't. You are super convinced that Georgia is a swing state so it is a fair even bet. Hillary takes Georgia I eat the crow. Trump wins and you eat the crow.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (CV0nS)
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Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:08 PM (YLidQ)
My claim ALL ALONG was that Georgia is now a SWING STATE, and that polling provides strong evidence for this claim. I never claimed that Hillary or Trump would win that state. You all were so offended by this claim, in contradiction to the evidence, that you decided to go on your asterisk tirade and insult the person presenting the evidence. Typical.
My claim ALL ALONG was that Georgia is now a SWING STATE, and that polling provides strong evidence for this claim. I never claimed that Hillary or Trump would win that state. You all were so offended by this claim, in contradiction to the evidence, that you decided to go on your asterisk tirade and insult the person presenting the evidence. Typical.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: FredB at August 23, 2016 10:13 PM (c5sfq)
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510.
You told us that the day of the flounce was going to be your last day here.
I trust I can be forgiven, your grace, for taking you at your word on that occasion.
I was sorry to see you go, and glad you returned.
You told us that the day of the flounce was going to be your last day here.
I trust I can be forgiven, your grace, for taking you at your word on that occasion.
I was sorry to see you go, and glad you returned.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 10:13 PM (Cfp1/)
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511
Posted by: Arbalest at August 23, 2016 10:02 PM (FlRtG)
But I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I don't believe that proposition myself.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:06 PM (uAvJJ)
What!?!? Then why are you arguing that Georgia is a freaking swing state
!?!
Posted by: Arbalest at August 23, 2016 10:02 PM (FlRtG)
But I am not claiming that Hillary will win Georgia. I don't believe that proposition myself.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:06 PM (uAvJJ)
What!?!? Then why are you arguing that Georgia is a freaking swing state
!?!Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:14 PM (CV0nS)
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What!?!? Then why are you arguing that Georgia is a freaking swing state!?!
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:14 PM (CV0nS)
Because the current polls support this claim.
What!?!? Then why are you arguing that Georgia is a freaking swing state!?!
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:14 PM (CV0nS)
Because the current polls support this claim.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:18 PM (uAvJJ)
520
I was sorry to see you go, and glad you returned.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 10:13 PM (Cfp1/)
Uh-huh.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 10:13 PM (Cfp1/)
Uh-huh.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:18 PM (uAvJJ)
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Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
No, they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Polling_2
Georgia's been getting a lighter and lighter shade of pink for years now, its perfectly possible for it to become a toss-up state with depressed Republican turnout and/or a split conservative vote. In a few years, Atlanta will turn it into Virginia.
Even if Texas succeeds at #Texit, we won't be able to join them-Atlanta will see to that. I'm hoping they'll have generous immigration laws for fellow Southerners.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
No, they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Polling_2
Georgia's been getting a lighter and lighter shade of pink for years now, its perfectly possible for it to become a toss-up state with depressed Republican turnout and/or a split conservative vote. In a few years, Atlanta will turn it into Virginia.
Even if Texas succeeds at #Texit, we won't be able to join them-Atlanta will see to that. I'm hoping they'll have generous immigration laws for fellow Southerners.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 10:19 PM (egK2C)
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And by the way, Palpatine, what I actually said, was that I *might* be back. I did not say I was leaving for ever and ever. Guess you forgot that part.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:20 PM (uAvJJ)
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My claim ALL ALONG was that Georgia is now a SWING STATE, and that polling provides strong evidence for this claim. I never claimed that Hillary or Trump would win that state. You all were so offended by this claim, in contradiction to the evidence, that you decided to go on your asterisk tirade and insult the person presenting the evidence. Typical.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (uAvJJ)
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Yes. And when presented with evidence that you may not be right, you lost your dissertatation Perfesser shit.
This is a very common trait with Lib Douchebags. I may or may not be including in said statement. Tough call.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (uAvJJ)
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Yes. And when presented with evidence that you may not be right, you lost your dissertatation Perfesser shit.
This is a very common trait with Lib Douchebags. I may or may not be including in said statement. Tough call.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:21 PM (YLidQ)
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And I don't believe for one moment someone who says "I'm glad your back" is the same person who questions my ethics for supposedly reneging on a promise I never made.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:21 PM (uAvJJ)
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Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:21 PM (YLidQ)
Your "evidence" was to go on a tirade about a fucking asterisk. When it was clear to anyone with half a brain that you were using a stupid asterisk as a pretext to disbelieve facts that contradicted your personal reality.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:21 PM (YLidQ)
Your "evidence" was to go on a tirade about a fucking asterisk. When it was clear to anyone with half a brain that you were using a stupid asterisk as a pretext to disbelieve facts that contradicted your personal reality.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:23 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 10:23 PM (Cfp1/)
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Your "evidence" was to go on a tirade about a fucking asterisk. When it was clear to anyone with half a brain that you were using a stupid asterisk as a pretext to disbelieve facts that contradicted your personal reality.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:23 PM (uAvJJ)
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So, where are those numbers I asked for a long time ago that include your boy Johnson as well as watermelon Stein, Perfesser? I need someone who is totally into his Chemistry dissertation to parse these numbers for me, cuz I'm just a rube with a Low Voltage MBA.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:23 PM (uAvJJ)
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So, where are those numbers I asked for a long time ago that include your boy Johnson as well as watermelon Stein, Perfesser? I need someone who is totally into his Chemistry dissertation to parse these numbers for me, cuz I'm just a rube with a Low Voltage MBA.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:26 PM (YLidQ)
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I'm not your fucking calculator. Break out your calculator and do your own math.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:27 PM (uAvJJ)
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Wouldn't it be sweet to use your calculator to prove me wrong? Oh that would be so sweet. But the numbers don't lie. Even with the ASTERISK factor removed, Georgia is still a swing state.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:28 PM (uAvJJ)
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CJ -
When I question your ethics or integrity, it will be when I give a damn about them. I don't just now, and can anticipate no set of circumstances under which I would.
When I question your ethics or integrity, it will be when I give a damn about them. I don't just now, and can anticipate no set of circumstances under which I would.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 10:28 PM (Cfp1/)
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I'm not your fucking calculator. Break out your calculator and do your own math.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:27 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
But you are the guy with the dissertation I could not possibly understand. Help us, oh Lib Perfesser Canoby! We need your guidance.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:27 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
But you are the guy with the dissertation I could not possibly understand. Help us, oh Lib Perfesser Canoby! We need your guidance.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:30 PM (YLidQ)
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521 Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
No, they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Polling_2
Georgia's been getting a lighter and lighter shade of pink for years now, its perfectly possible for it to become a toss-up state with depressed Republican turnout and/or a split conservative vote. In a few years, Atlanta will turn it into Virginia.
Even if Texas succeeds at #Texit, we won't be able to join them-Atlanta will see to that. I'm hoping they'll have generous immigration laws for fellow Southerners.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 10:19 PM (egK2C)
I agree Georgia is turning pink. The AJC had Carter leading or within the margin of error in 2014. At least that is what WSB radio was parroting every day. IIRC. He got smoked.
The key is that it will take a depressed republican turnout. The models based on the primaries of 2016 do not show that at all.
If Trump manages to change the party to American and not Globalist and anti Transnational progressive then GA will continue to be a solid red state.
I'm on a cell phone so I'll take your word on the polling information you provided.
The issue is wether or not in 2016 Georgia is a swing state and I'm saying and sticking with no it is not.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
No, they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Polling_2
Georgia's been getting a lighter and lighter shade of pink for years now, its perfectly possible for it to become a toss-up state with depressed Republican turnout and/or a split conservative vote. In a few years, Atlanta will turn it into Virginia.
Even if Texas succeeds at #Texit, we won't be able to join them-Atlanta will see to that. I'm hoping they'll have generous immigration laws for fellow Southerners.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 10:19 PM (egK2C)
I agree Georgia is turning pink. The AJC had Carter leading or within the margin of error in 2014. At least that is what WSB radio was parroting every day. IIRC. He got smoked.
The key is that it will take a depressed republican turnout. The models based on the primaries of 2016 do not show that at all.
If Trump manages to change the party to American and not Globalist and anti Transnational progressive then GA will continue to be a solid red state.
I'm on a cell phone so I'll take your word on the polling information you provided.
The issue is wether or not in 2016 Georgia is a swing state and I'm saying and sticking with no it is not.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:34 PM (CV0nS)
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Yup now you are just trolling in order to try to get me banned.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:34 PM (uAvJJ)
534
522.
I do recall the words 'last day here' from you on that day. But you left yourself an out, I see.
Guilty conscience does not become you.
I do recall the words 'last day here' from you on that day. But you left yourself an out, I see.
Guilty conscience does not become you.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 23, 2016 10:36 PM (Cfp1/)
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Wow! Some angry folk here.
Posted by: Hillary's rancid vagina at August 23, 2016 10:37 PM (hy43O)
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519
What!?!? Then why are you arguing that Georgia is a freaking swing state!?!
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:14 PM (CV0nS)
Because the current polls support this claim.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:18 PM (uAvJJ
Jeff, the networks are hemorrhaging money across the country because of a lack of political ads being bought.
Does it not stand to reason that polls out out by Television companies, radio, ext... Would have a financial interest in producing polls that would have the end result to be for PACs and Candidates to buy more ads?
What!?!? Then why are you arguing that Georgia is a freaking swing state!?!
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:14 PM (CV0nS)
Because the current polls support this claim.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:18 PM (uAvJJ
Jeff, the networks are hemorrhaging money across the country because of a lack of political ads being bought.
Does it not stand to reason that polls out out by Television companies, radio, ext... Would have a financial interest in producing polls that would have the end result to be for PACs and Candidates to buy more ads?
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:40 PM (CV0nS)
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Yup now you are just trolling in order to try to get me banned.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:34 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
You have already done this to yourself with your post upthread. Naturally, a Lib Perfesser is gonna blame someone else for their own actions.
How sadly typical.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 23, 2016 10:34 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
You have already done this to yourself with your post upthread. Naturally, a Lib Perfesser is gonna blame someone else for their own actions.
How sadly typical.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 10:43 PM (YLidQ)
538
People telling Trump supporters that the polls are lying are lying. One or two polls may be outliers, but the general trend is clear.
A lot of Conservatives took the wrong conclusion from the (true) idea that the MSM is biased. The useful conclusion is that every outlet, left or right, is biased to some extent. The honorable outlets are those that (unlike the MSM) are as open and honest about their bias as possible and attempt to avoid outright falsehoods. Ace, for instance, is quite honest.
A lot of conservatives seem to have decided instead to absolutely reject anything that comes from the MSM or other outlets that say things they don't like. Instead, they put absolute trust in right-leaning sights that lie about their bias. They don't undertake the much harder task of trying to sift the truth from multiple biased sources.
This is why GOP voters seem so susceptible to con men like Trump.
A lot of Conservatives took the wrong conclusion from the (true) idea that the MSM is biased. The useful conclusion is that every outlet, left or right, is biased to some extent. The honorable outlets are those that (unlike the MSM) are as open and honest about their bias as possible and attempt to avoid outright falsehoods. Ace, for instance, is quite honest.
A lot of conservatives seem to have decided instead to absolutely reject anything that comes from the MSM or other outlets that say things they don't like. Instead, they put absolute trust in right-leaning sights that lie about their bias. They don't undertake the much harder task of trying to sift the truth from multiple biased sources.
This is why GOP voters seem so susceptible to con men like Trump.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 10:59 PM (mFkVC)
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This is why GOP voters seem so susceptible to con men like Trump.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 10:59 PM (mFkVC)
****
Who are you voting for and what do you hope to accomplish here, person guy?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 10:59 PM (mFkVC)
****
Who are you voting for and what do you hope to accomplish here, person guy?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:01 PM (YLidQ)
540
Who are you voting for and what do you hope to accomplish here, person guy?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:01 PM (YLidQ)
I'm voting for neither major party candidate (or any of the third party jerks either). I've said this repeatedly.
I'm not going to answer to you about why I'm here. I'm done with that nonsense.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:01 PM (YLidQ)
I'm voting for neither major party candidate (or any of the third party jerks either). I've said this repeatedly.
I'm not going to answer to you about why I'm here. I'm done with that nonsense.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:06 PM (mFkVC)
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532 521 Dude, chill out. I live in Georgia and the AJC had Jimmy Carter's son winning the Senate in 2014.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
No, they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Polling_2
Georgia's been getting a lighter and lighter shade of pink for years now, its perfectly possible for it to become a toss-up state with depressed Republican turnout and/or a split conservative vote. In a few years, Atlanta will turn it into Virginia.
Even if Texas succeeds at #Texit, we won't be able to join them-Atlanta will see to that. I'm hoping they'll have generous immigration laws for fellow Southerners.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 10:19 PM (egK2C)
I agree Georgia is turning pink. The AJC had Carter leading or within the margin of error in 2014. At least that is what WSB radio was parroting every day. IIRC. He got smoked.
The key is that it will take a depressed republican turnout. The models based on the primaries of 2016 do not show that at all.
If Trump manages to change the party to American and not Globalist and anti Transnational progressive then GA will continue to be a solid red state.
I'm on a cell phone so I'll take your word on the polling information you provided.
The issue is wether or not in 2016 Georgia is a swing state and I'm saying and sticking with no it is not.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:34 PM (
I read over the polls on the wiki site.Many had them within the margin of error leaning republican. Carter got beat by several points more than the polls showed.
Thanks for the link.
You and yours are always welcome to Georgia especially during The Burning Times
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 08:23 PM (CV0nS)
No, they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Polling_2
Georgia's been getting a lighter and lighter shade of pink for years now, its perfectly possible for it to become a toss-up state with depressed Republican turnout and/or a split conservative vote. In a few years, Atlanta will turn it into Virginia.
Even if Texas succeeds at #Texit, we won't be able to join them-Atlanta will see to that. I'm hoping they'll have generous immigration laws for fellow Southerners.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 23, 2016 10:19 PM (egK2C)
I agree Georgia is turning pink. The AJC had Carter leading or within the margin of error in 2014. At least that is what WSB radio was parroting every day. IIRC. He got smoked.
The key is that it will take a depressed republican turnout. The models based on the primaries of 2016 do not show that at all.
If Trump manages to change the party to American and not Globalist and anti Transnational progressive then GA will continue to be a solid red state.
I'm on a cell phone so I'll take your word on the polling information you provided.
The issue is wether or not in 2016 Georgia is a swing state and I'm saying and sticking with no it is not.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:34 PM (
I read over the polls on the wiki site.Many had them within the margin of error leaning republican. Carter got beat by several points more than the polls showed.
Thanks for the link.
You and yours are always welcome to Georgia especially during The Burning Times
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 11:06 PM (CV0nS)
542
540 Who are you voting for and what do you hope to accomplish here, person guy?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:01 PM (YLidQ)
I'm voting for neither major party candidate (or any of the third party jerks either). I've said this repeatedly.
I'm not going to answer to you about why I'm here. I'm done with that nonsense.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:06 PM (mFkVC)
Please write in SMOD. The only true protest vote that matters.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:01 PM (YLidQ)
I'm voting for neither major party candidate (or any of the third party jerks either). I've said this repeatedly.
I'm not going to answer to you about why I'm here. I'm done with that nonsense.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:06 PM (mFkVC)
Please write in SMOD. The only true protest vote that matters.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 11:09 PM (CV0nS)
543
I'm not going to answer to you about why I'm here. I'm done with that nonsense.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:06 PM (mFkVC)
****
Of course you won't. Bless your little heart.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:06 PM (mFkVC)
****
Of course you won't. Bless your little heart.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:10 PM (YLidQ)
544
"This includes Trump. He'll make deals."
Which is why Boner, Vichy Mitchy, etc. wanted him instead of Cruz.
SUCKERS!
Which is why Boner, Vichy Mitchy, etc. wanted him instead of Cruz.
SUCKERS!
Posted by: SDN at August 23, 2016 11:10 PM (Uu1Au)
545
Fun question: in 2020, at which party's convention is Trump more likely to speak?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:13 PM (mFkVC)
546
Which is why Boner, Vichy Mitchy, etc. wanted him instead of Cruz.
SUCKERS!
Posted by: SDN at August 23, 2016 11:10 PM (Uu1Au)
*****
Awesome to see you, new guy.
SUCKERS!
Posted by: SDN at August 23, 2016 11:10 PM (Uu1Au)
*****
Awesome to see you, new guy.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:13 PM (YLidQ)
547
Fun question: in 2020, at which party's convention is Trump more likely to speak?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:13 PM (mFkVC)
****
Why not take this question upstairs, to the ONT?
Come on, be brave.....
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:13 PM (mFkVC)
****
Why not take this question upstairs, to the ONT?
Come on, be brave.....
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:16 PM (YLidQ)
548
Why not take this question upstairs, to the ONT?
Come on, be brave.....
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:16 PM (YLidQ)
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ONT is generally politics free. Gotta respect that.
I'll try to bring it up sometime between now and the election.
Come on, be brave.....
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:16 PM (YLidQ)
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ONT is generally politics free. Gotta respect that.
I'll try to bring it up sometime between now and the election.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:19 PM (mFkVC)
549
I'll try to bring it up sometime between now and the election.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:19 PM (mFkVC)
*****
Sure you will. Female reproductive organ.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 23, 2016 11:19 PM (mFkVC)
*****
Sure you will. Female reproductive organ.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 23, 2016 11:21 PM (YLidQ)
550
Is there any evidence Trump was ever a true believer in the immigration hawk position outside of this last Republican primary? In the month of the 2012 election (2012! Not 1984, not 2004, not 200 he was telling the media that Mitt Romney and other 2012(!) Republicans were too mean-spirited on immigration http://tinyurl.com/p5lz5k3 . That same year he was gushing to the media, on camera, about what a great president he thought Hillary Clinton would be, and how terrific she is ( http://tinyurl.com/z3dvlat ). He's expressed other paleo-conservative sentiments before then, like the isolationism and trade protectionist, but as far as I can tell never on immigration. People assumed by filling in the blanks, but it turns out he was always too fond of employing them.
The man has a grab-bag of applause lines that he knows works, and he knows how to pander to certain crowds. People seem to have a hard time grasping that the man doesn't have an ideology, and to what little extent he can simulate one it's always very fickle and, of course, always negotiable. He brought out the immigration lines when he was playing to a Republican primary audience, but he'll never, ever have to run in a Republican primary again. Now he's pandering to the RNC and the general election voters, as he will for the rest of his time as the Republican party's presidential candidate (be it it 2.5 months or 8 years). Just make the sale, that's always been his only goal here. If the client wants a wall, you promise a wall, and if something else comes up, we'll have to see where we are and renegotiate. He doesn't have any secret rich guy tricks he's gonna pull off in October to turn things around, he just has this one trick: tell the client what the client wants to hear, and get the deal in writing.
Everyone saying "wait and see", this is exactly who and what his 70 year biography (including 30+ years as a highly visible public figure) tells us he is and always has been. There are still some Ace-style cynical arguments to be made for voting for him, especially against Hillary, but if you're still thinking dad just went out to buy cigarettes and he'll be back any day now, then you are 2016's version of the lady saying Obama was gonna pay her mortgage back in 2008. Everyone else knew Trump was exactly what he seemed to be on the surface since he first poked his head into public consciousness, and aren't gonna apologize for seeing it clearly. If you think Trump is an effective blunt instrument, argue that, but don't lie to yourselves or to the rest of us.
he was telling the media that Mitt Romney and other 2012(!) Republicans were too mean-spirited on immigration http://tinyurl.com/p5lz5k3 . That same year he was gushing to the media, on camera, about what a great president he thought Hillary Clinton would be, and how terrific she is ( http://tinyurl.com/z3dvlat ). He's expressed other paleo-conservative sentiments before then, like the isolationism and trade protectionist, but as far as I can tell never on immigration. People assumed by filling in the blanks, but it turns out he was always too fond of employing them.The man has a grab-bag of applause lines that he knows works, and he knows how to pander to certain crowds. People seem to have a hard time grasping that the man doesn't have an ideology, and to what little extent he can simulate one it's always very fickle and, of course, always negotiable. He brought out the immigration lines when he was playing to a Republican primary audience, but he'll never, ever have to run in a Republican primary again. Now he's pandering to the RNC and the general election voters, as he will for the rest of his time as the Republican party's presidential candidate (be it it 2.5 months or 8 years). Just make the sale, that's always been his only goal here. If the client wants a wall, you promise a wall, and if something else comes up, we'll have to see where we are and renegotiate. He doesn't have any secret rich guy tricks he's gonna pull off in October to turn things around, he just has this one trick: tell the client what the client wants to hear, and get the deal in writing.
Everyone saying "wait and see", this is exactly who and what his 70 year biography (including 30+ years as a highly visible public figure) tells us he is and always has been. There are still some Ace-style cynical arguments to be made for voting for him, especially against Hillary, but if you're still thinking dad just went out to buy cigarettes and he'll be back any day now, then you are 2016's version of the lady saying Obama was gonna pay her mortgage back in 2008. Everyone else knew Trump was exactly what he seemed to be on the surface since he first poked his head into public consciousness, and aren't gonna apologize for seeing it clearly. If you think Trump is an effective blunt instrument, argue that, but don't lie to yourselves or to the rest of us.
Posted by: reform highlander at August 23, 2016 11:24 PM (xf3KI)
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How bout this, Trump haters?
90% of people hate their jobs.
So what?
Jobs put food on the table and pays the rent. Ergo, we keep going back to our jobs.
So you hate Trump? OK, champ.
You're the idiot who thinks you can stop going to your job (because every snowflake hates his job) and everything will work out just fine. Somehow. Because Trump failed to live up to Santa Claus and Hillary has a vagina (maybe)
Suck. Hillary's. Dick.
90% of people hate their jobs.
So what?
Jobs put food on the table and pays the rent. Ergo, we keep going back to our jobs.
So you hate Trump? OK, champ.
You're the idiot who thinks you can stop going to your job (because every snowflake hates his job) and everything will work out just fine. Somehow. Because Trump failed to live up to Santa Claus and Hillary has a vagina (maybe)
Suck. Hillary's. Dick.
Posted by: FredB at August 23, 2016 11:28 PM (c5sfq)
552
"Truecon" nevertrumpers cannot make policy arguments against Trump because their opposition is visceral and aesthetic.
When he wins just be happy the long march of socialism has been stalled and hope that he'll do something to reverse it.
And don't forget the actual most important thing about this election: whoever wins will be a wartime president.
When he wins just be happy the long march of socialism has been stalled and hope that he'll do something to reverse it.
And don't forget the actual most important thing about this election: whoever wins will be a wartime president.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at August 23, 2016 11:49 PM (Iy6JT)
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chemjeff,
With all due respect, why are you here? It seems like an emotional issue or something. Do you post ten times as often when the topic is Trump and his supposed betrayals or mistakes than anything else? Why? And you basically take on surface value the position of an established institution with a vested interest that is going against Trump, even though the main theme of the election is the establishment/insiders against the rest of us. The theme isn't the Constitution or rolling back the size of government or our Judeo-Christian values, which have fallen into desuetude anyway.
With all due respect, why are you here? It seems like an emotional issue or something. Do you post ten times as often when the topic is Trump and his supposed betrayals or mistakes than anything else? Why? And you basically take on surface value the position of an established institution with a vested interest that is going against Trump, even though the main theme of the election is the establishment/insiders against the rest of us. The theme isn't the Constitution or rolling back the size of government or our Judeo-Christian values, which have fallen into desuetude anyway.
Posted by: Lance at August 24, 2016 12:31 AM (rZMTM)
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While it may be true that Trump is rethinking his immigration position, I have to think that the reason the Post is reporting this is to sow doubt among his supporters.
Posted by: goodluckduck at August 24, 2016 12:44 AM (zUi5E)
555
Doesn't change anything - I'm still voting for the leader who is not above the law.
Posted by: Fen at August 24, 2016 01:22 AM (GULnm)
556
551
How bout this, Trump haters?
...
Suck. Hillary's. Dick.
Posted by: FredB at August 23, 2016 11:28 PM (c5sfq)
I'm not voting for the candidate you want me to.
And I'm STILL not going to even after you insult me.
Surprised by that? Really?
Your genius plan of drumming up support by insulting people?
Probably not as effective as you think.
But good luck with your hope that you can insult enough people to find the few who enjoy that and will do as they're told when you command them.
Really, best of luck; get out there and insult twice as many people...
I'm sure it helps someone. I can't imagine how, but best of luck.
How bout this, Trump haters?
...
Suck. Hillary's. Dick.
Posted by: FredB at August 23, 2016 11:28 PM (c5sfq)
I'm not voting for the candidate you want me to.
And I'm STILL not going to even after you insult me.
Surprised by that? Really?
Your genius plan of drumming up support by insulting people?
Probably not as effective as you think.
But good luck with your hope that you can insult enough people to find the few who enjoy that and will do as they're told when you command them.
Really, best of luck; get out there and insult twice as many people...
I'm sure it helps someone. I can't imagine how, but best of luck.
Posted by: gekkobear at August 24, 2016 01:38 AM (2iR3c)
557
My proof is reading the internals. They all use and "weigh" polls based on 2012 general election.
Using the model based on the Primary turnouts the republican ticket
ie Trump is expected to get over 73 million votes.
...
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (CV0nS)
WOOHOO Unskew the Polls 2 Electric Boogaloo!
We did that in 2012 and KNEW Romney would win by 6;
Huge Win for the GOP! Genius plan we should repeat now!
One quick question.
Why didn't President Romney run for a 2nd term?
Seriously, I've never seen the reasoning he gave for not running for his incumbent easy win 2nd term after his unskew victory...
Do you recall what the reason was?
Using the model based on the Primary turnouts the republican ticket
ie Trump is expected to get over 73 million votes.
...
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (CV0nS)
WOOHOO Unskew the Polls 2 Electric Boogaloo!
We did that in 2012 and KNEW Romney would win by 6;
Huge Win for the GOP! Genius plan we should repeat now!
One quick question.
Why didn't President Romney run for a 2nd term?
Seriously, I've never seen the reasoning he gave for not running for his incumbent easy win 2nd term after his unskew victory...
Do you recall what the reason was?
Posted by: gekkobear at August 24, 2016 01:45 AM (2iR3c)
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557 My proof is reading the internals. They all use and "weigh" polls based on 2012 general election.
Using the model based on the Primary turnouts the republican ticket
ie Trump is expected to get over 73 million votes.
...
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (CV0nS)
WOOHOO Unskew the Polls 2 Electric Boogaloo!
We did that in 2012 and KNEW Romney would win by 6;
Huge Win for the GOP! Genius plan we should repeat now!
One quick question.
Why didn't President Romney run for a 2nd term?
Seriously, I've never seen the reasoning he gave for not running for his incumbent easy win 2nd term after his unskew victory...
Do you recall what the reason was?
Posted by: gekkobear at August 24, 2016 01:45 AM (
First, to be accurate for 2016 the polling models and methodology should reflect the numbers from the primaries in 2016. Not the general election in 2012.
Second, I knew Romney was going to lose after he took a drive in the second debate. He took a dive. He was a ringer. It made me sick to my stomach.
Romney has gone after Trump harder than he ever went after Obama. Makes one think, yes?
I have no idea why he did not run for re-election. My guess is that he is a puppet playing his role in the Uniparty.
Using the model based on the Primary turnouts the republican ticket
ie Trump is expected to get over 73 million votes.
...
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 23, 2016 10:11 PM (CV0nS)
WOOHOO Unskew the Polls 2 Electric Boogaloo!
We did that in 2012 and KNEW Romney would win by 6;
Huge Win for the GOP! Genius plan we should repeat now!
One quick question.
Why didn't President Romney run for a 2nd term?
Seriously, I've never seen the reasoning he gave for not running for his incumbent easy win 2nd term after his unskew victory...
Do you recall what the reason was?
Posted by: gekkobear at August 24, 2016 01:45 AM (
First, to be accurate for 2016 the polling models and methodology should reflect the numbers from the primaries in 2016. Not the general election in 2012.
Second, I knew Romney was going to lose after he took a drive in the second debate. He took a dive. He was a ringer. It made me sick to my stomach.
Romney has gone after Trump harder than he ever went after Obama. Makes one think, yes?
I have no idea why he did not run for re-election. My guess is that he is a puppet playing his role in the Uniparty.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 24, 2016 02:20 AM (CV0nS)
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Seems like my respectful and polite comments are being deleted.
Whoever is moderating this blog: if you feel the only way to win an argument is to suppress the other point of view, you have admitted to yourself that you are wrong.
Like millions of former GOP voters, I won't vote for Trump. Trump is corrupt and has lied about everything. He was an amnesty guy in 2012, was, get this, not truthful in the primary, and his supporters who bashed Rubio as worse than Hillary really shouldn't complain when I say Trump is worse than Hillary.
Trump has historically been a very loyal friend to the worst democrats, Hillary and Weiner included.
But it's more complex than that. Sure, Hillary and Trump are the same politically, but Trump stabbed us in the back, and destroyed the GOP and many conservatives down ticket. It would be terrible for the GOP to be led by him, and he would purge it of conservatives. He's already promising to spend millions to destroy Cruz.
It would be healthier for the GOP if it opposed President Hillary. Remember the late 90s and how the GOP was actually decent for a while.
Anyway, I am very surprised to find the comments I left have been removed. The paranoia that insists 'fake' about everyone saying they are conservative but do not support Trump is pointless. There are a lot of polls confirming we're pretty numerous.
Whoever is moderating this blog: if you feel the only way to win an argument is to suppress the other point of view, you have admitted to yourself that you are wrong.
Like millions of former GOP voters, I won't vote for Trump. Trump is corrupt and has lied about everything. He was an amnesty guy in 2012, was, get this, not truthful in the primary, and his supporters who bashed Rubio as worse than Hillary really shouldn't complain when I say Trump is worse than Hillary.
Trump has historically been a very loyal friend to the worst democrats, Hillary and Weiner included.
But it's more complex than that. Sure, Hillary and Trump are the same politically, but Trump stabbed us in the back, and destroyed the GOP and many conservatives down ticket. It would be terrible for the GOP to be led by him, and he would purge it of conservatives. He's already promising to spend millions to destroy Cruz.
It would be healthier for the GOP if it opposed President Hillary. Remember the late 90s and how the GOP was actually decent for a while.
Anyway, I am very surprised to find the comments I left have been removed. The paranoia that insists 'fake' about everyone saying they are conservative but do not support Trump is pointless. There are a lot of polls confirming we're pretty numerous.
Posted by: Dustin at August 24, 2016 02:43 AM (orEnP)
560
559 Seems like my respectful and polite comments are being deleted.
Whoever is moderating this blog: if you feel the only way to win an argument is to suppress the other point of view, you have admitted to yourself that you are wrong.
Like millions of former GOP voters, I won't vote for Trump. Trump is corrupt and has lied about everything. He was an amnesty guy in 2012, was, get this, not truthful in the primary, and his supporters who bashed Rubio as worse than Hillary really shouldn't complain when I say Trump is worse than Hillary.
Trump has historically been a very loyal friend to the worst democrats, Hillary and Weiner included.
But it's more complex than that. Sure, Hillary and Trump are the same politically, but Trump stabbed us in the back, and destroyed the GOP and many conservatives down ticket. It would be terrible for the GOP to be led by him, and he would purge it of conservatives. He's already promising to spend millions to destroy Cruz.
It would be healthier for the GOP if it opposed President Hillary. Remember the late 90s and how the GOP was actually decent for a while.
Anyway, I am very surprised to find the comments I left have been removed. The paranoia that insists 'fake' about everyone saying they are conservative but do not support Trump is pointless. There are a lot of polls confirming we're pretty numerous.
Posted by: Dustin at August 24, 2016 02:43 AM (orEnP)
Kelly Anne Conway is being exposed as we speak for infiltrating Trump and giving him the shiv to destroy him just like the GOPe stated they would do.
Kelly Anne Conway is a puppet, but she is carrying the knife. SAhe was first part of Team Rubio. Then after the GOPe meeting in secret on Sea Island March 3rd-*6th she jumps to team Cruz telling all of Team Rubio to jump aboard. On March 8th only a couple of days saying anti Trump is no threat to Trump and down playing it, she begins to attack him. She is pro amnesty and pro women issues. Professional pollster specializing in Womenz.
Nice Try GOPe. Nice Try Uniparty.
Whoever is moderating this blog: if you feel the only way to win an argument is to suppress the other point of view, you have admitted to yourself that you are wrong.
Like millions of former GOP voters, I won't vote for Trump. Trump is corrupt and has lied about everything. He was an amnesty guy in 2012, was, get this, not truthful in the primary, and his supporters who bashed Rubio as worse than Hillary really shouldn't complain when I say Trump is worse than Hillary.
Trump has historically been a very loyal friend to the worst democrats, Hillary and Weiner included.
But it's more complex than that. Sure, Hillary and Trump are the same politically, but Trump stabbed us in the back, and destroyed the GOP and many conservatives down ticket. It would be terrible for the GOP to be led by him, and he would purge it of conservatives. He's already promising to spend millions to destroy Cruz.
It would be healthier for the GOP if it opposed President Hillary. Remember the late 90s and how the GOP was actually decent for a while.
Anyway, I am very surprised to find the comments I left have been removed. The paranoia that insists 'fake' about everyone saying they are conservative but do not support Trump is pointless. There are a lot of polls confirming we're pretty numerous.
Posted by: Dustin at August 24, 2016 02:43 AM (orEnP)
Kelly Anne Conway is being exposed as we speak for infiltrating Trump and giving him the shiv to destroy him just like the GOPe stated they would do.
Kelly Anne Conway is a puppet, but she is carrying the knife. SAhe was first part of Team Rubio. Then after the GOPe meeting in secret on Sea Island March 3rd-*6th she jumps to team Cruz telling all of Team Rubio to jump aboard. On March 8th only a couple of days saying anti Trump is no threat to Trump and down playing it, she begins to attack him. She is pro amnesty and pro women issues. Professional pollster specializing in Womenz.
Nice Try GOPe. Nice Try Uniparty.
Posted by: The Death Rattle of Western Civilization at August 24, 2016 04:11 AM (CV0nS)
561
Here is the deal. We'll keep voting for people who support our positions, until we eventually get a son of a bitch that will do what he says he's going to do. Trump may or may not do what he's said he would do, well see, and if he doesn't then we'll 'next' him.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 24, 2016 05:44 AM (eqKZR)
562
I think Trump is doing an exceptional job in a difficult position. I think the Universe has answered my question as to how we got here and why politicians are so corrupt. Adam Smith spoke of invisible hand. Collectively we have an invisible mob. Trump is getting himself elected by that mob. Hillary, Romney, Bush family et al are trying to rig that mob. Similar to what the Federal Reserve is trying to do with the invisible hand.
Posted by: I don't get it? at August 24, 2016 06:25 AM (CRXed)
563
Trump polls really, really badly with demographics that he needs at least a portion of to have any hope of winning. These changes in tone and substance are designed to get new voters. He's betting that his base will accept this tactic or not care, perhaps believing that it's all just words to get votes.
The whole point is to get elected. He is an adherent to the BAMN principle.
The whole point is to get elected. He is an adherent to the BAMN principle.
Posted by: steve walsh at August 24, 2016 06:32 AM (SPxQP)
564
I could have told you the Festung idea is a just another shovel-ready job waiting to happen.
But noooooo.
But noooooo.
Posted by: Julius Streicher at August 24, 2016 08:16 AM (M7Ze9)
Posted by: HiHo at August 24, 2016 09:04 AM (CPk08)
566
He better watch it, trump's tough stance on immigration is a big part of why I haven't sided with that butthole johnson yet. He goes too wishy-washy on that and he loses one of his main positive points.
Posted by: JoshO at August 24, 2016 10:08 AM (Ij0J5)
567
Warms my heart to see so much love for the Marco Rubio border-security-then-amnesty-discussion position!! I am happy to see folks here so open minded!
Posted by: T at August 24, 2016 10:19 AM (OJNE7)
Posted by: Todd Underwood at August 24, 2016 11:45 AM (177pm)
569
I get such a kick out of everyone trying to parse every word that Trump says. He will build a wall. Mexico will pay for it. Are we going to round up 11 million people at gun point? Maybe. Maybe not. We will definitely not keep doing whatever the hell you call what we are doing right now. We have laws. I think, from the twinkle in his eye, that Trump has been reading up on the laws that are existing. And we can extrapolate from that that he's going to come out with a plan that makes sense.
So please, take a chill pill. I remember lots of politicans making lots of promises and we got none of it.
So please, take a chill pill. I remember lots of politicans making lots of promises and we got none of it.
Posted by: Ohio Granny at August 24, 2016 05:19 PM (UBuPn)
570
Trump has now endorsed McCain over Trump's own supporter, Kelli Ward. McCain was one of the original members of the Gang of Eight.
That is one more piece of evidence that Trump is the con man we always said he was.
That is one more piece of evidence that Trump is the con man we always said he was.
Posted by: Matt_SE at August 24, 2016 07:26 PM (ECsmS)
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