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The Regulatory State: The worst Excesses Of Rent Seekers And Power-Mad Politicians [CBD]
In a wonderful example of the insanity that is our current regulatory climate, It Takes 4 Times Longer to Become a Hair Braider Than an EMT in Oklahoma. Maybe there is something about hair braiding that can be incredibly dangerous, and must be strictly regulated, but off-hand I can't think of anything.
"Occupational licensing on its face, it's one of those things that makes sense, right? We want to make sure people know what they're doing," he continued. "But when you unpack it a little bit and dig down beyond the buzzwords, you see a lot of time it's really just a rigged system where it's rent-seeking by those in power to get an unfair advantage over others."Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation? Show your work. And that means justifying your argument in light of the current state of communications. So arguing that the meat-packing industry is better is incomplete. It was regulated more than 100 years ago, and with today's social media those companies would have been driven out of business by the consumer in about one week. And their replacements would have been transparent to their customers.
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I love thenew gas cans!
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:44 PM (7hRS/)
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I'm sure there's some useful OSHA and aviation-related regulations, but yeah, lots and lots of crap.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 22, 2016 01:45 PM (u0s1P)
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Light rail transit has done so much for Minneapolis and St. Paul. Including killing about a dozen motorists and pedestrians.
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:45 PM (7hRS/)
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This is why I keep increasing the number of regs shitcanned Day 1 of thd Cavil Plan...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, turkey ain't all that's stuffed at August 22, 2016 01:45 PM (FQ+Ab)
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There is nothing the government does well. Nothing. That's not why they exist, dumbass.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at August 22, 2016 01:46 PM (d/9qZ)
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Yeah, what's the downside of getting bad haircut? It grows back and you go to a new barber.
It's not as is they're bleeding people to release their humours anymore.
I am objectively good at massage. I have been told by two professional masseuses that I am good and don't need any more training.
But the state wants 500 hours of paid school.
It's not as is they're bleeding people to release their humours anymore.
I am objectively good at massage. I have been told by two professional masseuses that I am good and don't need any more training.
But the state wants 500 hours of paid school.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (mgbwf)
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th?
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (sUQ21)
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I dread this discussion.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.Bob Marley at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (9mTYi)
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Sorry for OT. Willow end of last thread.
293 285 Just read story on the American pole vaulter, Kendricks who stopped in the middle of his attempt when he heard the National Anthem being played. That's all kind of awesome.
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2nd Lt in the Army Reserves.
Sa-lute!
293 285 Just read story on the American pole vaulter, Kendricks who stopped in the middle of his attempt when he heard the National Anthem being played. That's all kind of awesome.
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2nd Lt in the Army Reserves.
Sa-lute!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (UC5ui)
Posted by: Bob Marley at August 22, 2016 01:48 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 01:48 PM (UC5ui)
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How many hours are required to get a knife/machete sharpener's license?
Posted by: Roy at August 22, 2016 01:48 PM (VndSC)
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293 285 Just read story on the American pole vaulter, Kendricks who stopped in the middle of his attempt when he heard the National Anthem being played. That's all kind of awesome.
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2nd Lt in the Army Reserves.
Sa-lute!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (UC5ui)
Saw this earlier!
/SALUTE!
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2nd Lt in the Army Reserves.
Sa-lute!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (UC5ui)
Saw this earlier!
/SALUTE!
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:48 PM (qf6WZ)
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Well, to become a hair braider don't you have to take classes in cultural appropriation?
Posted by: wth at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (HgMAr)
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Actually, the meat packing industry is pretty much regulated by the largest customers.
Wendy's, McDonalds, Burger King, WalMart and Kroger all have their own inspectors that visit the supply chain to make sure that everything is done to their specs, specs much higher than the gubbermints.
Why? You are a multi-billion company that wants to make sure that you don't have a food borne illness scare over what you have served. See, Steak and Ale.
Wendy's, McDonalds, Burger King, WalMart and Kroger all have their own inspectors that visit the supply chain to make sure that everything is done to their specs, specs much higher than the gubbermints.
Why? You are a multi-billion company that wants to make sure that you don't have a food borne illness scare over what you have served. See, Steak and Ale.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac in the OBX at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (kTZOh)
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How long until SWAT teams descend on elementary schools to arrest all those scumbag 9 year old girls for unlicensed hair-braiding?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (xhqXI)
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Eh, I yield to nobody in my contempt for unnecessary regulation but "better" is not necessarily the important criterion. There are some activities that become usable because they are regulated; see nuclear energy, trucking, etc. I don't think we should regulate everything, but clearly there are things that need regulating.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (RD7QR)
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Regulation is a necessary monster that frequently breaks its chains and escapes and destroys things. That said I have no doubt the USA is better than most other countries because we regulate quality and safety better than anyone.
It's definitely a catch 22.
It's definitely a catch 22.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (MNgU2)
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Mandatory blogging licenses and annual physicals has killed the blogosphere.
Posted by: Ctr at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (7wyDO)
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The car industry because replacing metal with plastic saves lives by saving Gaia... er...by better mpg...and er... butterflies.
The car industry because replacing metal with plastic saves lives by saving Gaia... er...by better mpg...and er... butterflies.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (ODxAs)
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Why? You are a multi-billion company that wants to make sure that you don't have a food borne illness scare over what you have served. See, Steak and Ale.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac in the OBX at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (kTZOh)
Crap, we should have thought of that.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac in the OBX at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (kTZOh)
Crap, we should have thought of that.
Posted by: Chipolte at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (hvf9s)
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14 Well, to become a hair braider don't you have to take classes in cultural appropriation?
Posted by: wth
Let's not ask 'oo appropriated 'oo.
Posted by: wth
Let's not ask 'oo appropriated 'oo.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (UC5ui)
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That's dangerous talk, comrade. Don't you know that women and minorities are most at risk when regulations are repealed? There's an internet meme to prove it. How can you hate women and minorities so much that you want to put them at risk?
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 01:51 PM (L3vVL)
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19 Mandatory blogging licenses and annual physicals has killed the blogosphere.
Posted by: Ctr at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (7wyDO)
#sixmonths
Posted by: Ctr at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (7wyDO)
#sixmonths
Posted by: Hillary at August 22, 2016 01:51 PM (l1m7t)
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One way to keep Congress busy and give them something useful to do; make them renew every regulation by voting for it the following year. Each vote must be by paragraph, and no paragraph can contain more than a thousand words.
If the regulation is not approved by Congress, it is null and void, and the agency cannot propose another similar regulation for five years.
Since this would cut into their contribution seeking time, and might require them to work forty hours a week, and fifty weeks a year, it will never happen.
If the regulation is not approved by Congress, it is null and void, and the agency cannot propose another similar regulation for five years.
Since this would cut into their contribution seeking time, and might require them to work forty hours a week, and fifty weeks a year, it will never happen.
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:52 PM (7hRS/)
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What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA at August 22, 2016 01:52 PM (8J/Te)
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The point CBD (as you surely know) is a matter of degree, a matter of case-by-case substantive evaluation.
And you make a very key point about market discipline (social media/internet info, dissatisfied customers, etc.) being vastly greater today than 100 years ago.
All basic economic concepts. Market failure. Market information availability.
It's actually *not* that complicated. But one must go, line by line, through the kinds of regulation that exist, to determine the regulation is that is simply stupid, outdated, or pernicious rent-seeking/market manipulation in sheep's clothing.
A good broad tool to start with is a standard that, up front, distinguishes prescriptive from protective regulation. For example states, and insurance regulation. Protection of policy-holders from fraud, abusive practices, seems reasonable and still needed. Prescription of policy choices to insurance companies is almost always a disaster (health insurance, pre-ACA, the most spectacular example - the sector was already mangled and inflated beyond recognition).
And you make a very key point about market discipline (social media/internet info, dissatisfied customers, etc.) being vastly greater today than 100 years ago.
All basic economic concepts. Market failure. Market information availability.
It's actually *not* that complicated. But one must go, line by line, through the kinds of regulation that exist, to determine the regulation is that is simply stupid, outdated, or pernicious rent-seeking/market manipulation in sheep's clothing.
A good broad tool to start with is a standard that, up front, distinguishes prescriptive from protective regulation. For example states, and insurance regulation. Protection of policy-holders from fraud, abusive practices, seems reasonable and still needed. Prescription of policy choices to insurance companies is almost always a disaster (health insurance, pre-ACA, the most spectacular example - the sector was already mangled and inflated beyond recognition).
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 01:52 PM (QDnY+)
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I like that my flying metal tube is under strict regulations.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 22, 2016 01:53 PM (MNgU2)
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Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA
I would've thought you'd be too amped up to sleep.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA
I would've thought you'd be too amped up to sleep.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 01:53 PM (xhqXI)
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>>> Maybe there is something about hair braiding that can be incredibly dangerous, and must be strictly regulated, but off-hand I can't think of anything.
Can the hair braiders just claim racism? I would think that would get things deregulated in a hurry.
Also I suspect these shops are regulated more than a PP clinic. No proof, I just suspect.
Can the hair braiders just claim racism? I would think that would get things deregulated in a hurry.
Also I suspect these shops are regulated more than a PP clinic. No proof, I just suspect.
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 01:53 PM (hvf9s)
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Okay the pilot that flys my scrawny carcass around needs to have a license. I'm still thinking if there's something else.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at August 22, 2016 01:53 PM (d/9qZ)
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32nd
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 22, 2016 01:54 PM (vP09u)
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rd?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 01:55 PM (UC5ui)
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I'm a resistor in the arc of this discussion.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at August 22, 2016 01:55 PM (d/9qZ)
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Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA
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Muldoon?
It's Aunt Enid that you have to be concerned about.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA
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Muldoon?
It's Aunt Enid that you have to be concerned about.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (9mTYi)
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Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (RD7QR)
do you know the Trucking regulations?
10 to 11 hours of driving... 10 hours sleeping in the sleeper...
NO OVERTIME PAY...
After about 6 days of this they must take a 36 hour break... even if they are out on the road.
If on a long haul, it is NORMAL to drive 60 hours in a 5 day period... with no overtime pay...
This is regulated by the Transportation Dept. by law... not the Dept. of Labor...
Actually... this is a VERY valid case of specific rent seekers being able to manipulate Federal Law.... in this case... the Trucking industry.
(for disclosure, my Lady Friend is a Long Haul Trucker...)
do you know the Trucking regulations?
10 to 11 hours of driving... 10 hours sleeping in the sleeper...
NO OVERTIME PAY...
After about 6 days of this they must take a 36 hour break... even if they are out on the road.
If on a long haul, it is NORMAL to drive 60 hours in a 5 day period... with no overtime pay...
This is regulated by the Transportation Dept. by law... not the Dept. of Labor...
Actually... this is a VERY valid case of specific rent seekers being able to manipulate Federal Law.... in this case... the Trucking industry.
(for disclosure, my Lady Friend is a Long Haul Trucker...)
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (qf6WZ)
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Test
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (6X/Qu)
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (7hRS/)
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I dunno - I remember flying commercial in the 70s and it was a much more pleasant experience than it is now. I'm told that portions of the industry were deregulated in the 80s which led to the whole cattle-car short-turnaround flying experience we had even before 9-11. But it was comparatively more expensive to fly in the 70s too.
So hard question. Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
So hard question. Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (eytER)
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Hillary's health is so great, that even the word great isn't great enough for how great she feels.....maybe a little sleepy sometimes but what the hell Giulaini, you just don't know anything about her health!!
Posted by: Colin at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (toJdI)
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Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Show your work. And that means justifying your argument in light of
the current state of communications. So arguing that the meat-packing
industry is better is incomplete. It was regulated more than 100 years
ago, and with today's social media those companies would have been
driven out of business by the consumer in about one week. And their
replacements would have been transparent to their customers.
Ummm, no thanks. This is an insurmountable standard.
OT, highly recommend Chipotle if your up for a burrito for lunch.
Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Show your work. And that means justifying your argument in light of
the current state of communications. So arguing that the meat-packing
industry is better is incomplete. It was regulated more than 100 years
ago, and with today's social media those companies would have been
driven out of business by the consumer in about one week. And their
replacements would have been transparent to their customers.
Ummm, no thanks. This is an insurmountable standard.
OT, highly recommend Chipotle if your up for a burrito for lunch.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (P/kVC)
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Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
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Eh. The strongest case for regulations probably falls on the traditional professions: Doctors and Lawyers. Both of them can really screw up your life, if they commit malpractice. But, the funny thing is that both doctors and lawyers who recently graduate are considered members of the profession, but really don't have the first clue about actual practice. Doctors need to be residents for years. Lawyers either wing it (dangerously), or, (hopefully) get a position with a firm that will mentor and train them.
A decent case might be made for engineers and accountants. But most of the rest of the licensing stuff is just badly concealed trade protectionism that offers no real value to the population.
--
Eh. The strongest case for regulations probably falls on the traditional professions: Doctors and Lawyers. Both of them can really screw up your life, if they commit malpractice. But, the funny thing is that both doctors and lawyers who recently graduate are considered members of the profession, but really don't have the first clue about actual practice. Doctors need to be residents for years. Lawyers either wing it (dangerously), or, (hopefully) get a position with a firm that will mentor and train them.
A decent case might be made for engineers and accountants. But most of the rest of the licensing stuff is just badly concealed trade protectionism that offers no real value to the population.
Posted by: Revenant at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (3DSAh)
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Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA
Ohm...that's a stretch.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA
Ohm...that's a stretch.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (mgbwf)
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26 What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA at August 22, 2016 01:52 PM (8J/Te)
Watt are you talking about?
Electricity - because anything else really Hertz.
Wake me up when Muldoon tops this.
Posted by: DaveA at August 22, 2016 01:52 PM (8J/Te)
Watt are you talking about?
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (qf6WZ)
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Like anything else they get involved with govt regulators always eventually go to far.
However, you absolutely do not want trucking deregulated. There is a happy medium between unregulated and over regulated.
However, you absolutely do not want trucking deregulated. There is a happy medium between unregulated and over regulated.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (X+nFp)
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (7hRS/)
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I remember some years ago reading about the interior decorator license requirements in Georgia, I think, that were totally ridiculous. We have to license interior decorators because if that feng shui gets out of hand, it could be real trouble.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (Nwg0u)
48
So what's the damage that results from amateur hair-braiding? Split ends?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (v9gSJ)
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So hard question. Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (eytER)
*****
I've been flying for business since the 80s. Much cheaper and much, much worse today.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (eytER)
*****
I've been flying for business since the 80s. Much cheaper and much, much worse today.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 22, 2016 01:58 PM (6X/Qu)
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I was going to say electrical and building safety codes also. Many building codes are ridiculous and do nothing but increase costs. But the actual safety codes probably helped. Its pretty hard for a consumer (renter) to use market avoidance when they can't see the wires.
I was going to say electrical and building safety codes also. Many building codes are ridiculous and do nothing but increase costs. But the actual safety codes probably helped. Its pretty hard for a consumer (renter) to use market avoidance when they can't see the wires.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 22, 2016 01:59 PM (ODxAs)
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Occupational licensing on its face, it's one of those things that makes sense, right?
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No, it makes no sense on its face.
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No, it makes no sense on its face.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
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36 Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (RD7QR)
do you know the Trucking regulations?
10 to 11 hours of driving... 10 hours sleeping in the sleeper...
NO OVERTIME PAY...
After about 6 days of this they must take a 36 hour break... even if they are out on the road.
If on a long haul, it is NORMAL to drive 60 hours in a 5 day period... with no overtime pay...
This is regulated by the Transportation Dept. by law... not the Dept. of Labor...
Actually... this is a VERY valid case of specific rent seekers being able to manipulate Federal Law.... in this case... the Trucking industry.
(for disclosure, my Lady Friend is a Long Haul Trucker...)
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (qf6WZ)
Well, yes, I do know some truckers, and that beats having people going 48 hours with no sleep while hopped up on No-Doze and having hallucinations. Yes, some aspects are over-regulated -- the regulators can never leave well enough alone -- but aspects like enforcing sleep NEED to be regulated.
do you know the Trucking regulations?
10 to 11 hours of driving... 10 hours sleeping in the sleeper...
NO OVERTIME PAY...
After about 6 days of this they must take a 36 hour break... even if they are out on the road.
If on a long haul, it is NORMAL to drive 60 hours in a 5 day period... with no overtime pay...
This is regulated by the Transportation Dept. by law... not the Dept. of Labor...
Actually... this is a VERY valid case of specific rent seekers being able to manipulate Federal Law.... in this case... the Trucking industry.
(for disclosure, my Lady Friend is a Long Haul Trucker...)
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (qf6WZ)
Well, yes, I do know some truckers, and that beats having people going 48 hours with no sleep while hopped up on No-Doze and having hallucinations. Yes, some aspects are over-regulated -- the regulators can never leave well enough alone -- but aspects like enforcing sleep NEED to be regulated.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (RD7QR)
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I think the regulatory bureaucracy for health and safety could largely be replaced by privately-run cooperatives.
Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (O7MnT)
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"A good broad tool to start with is a standard that, up front, distinguishes prescriptive from protective regulation."
Our federal securities laws started from the proposition of mandating full disclosure in prospectuses and the like, rather than a merit review of whether the offering was good or not.
Compare. Once upon a time, many state securities commissions would do a merit review. e.g., if you lived in Massachusetts, you couldn't buy stock in the Apple IPO back in the 1980s, because some bureaucrat thought it too speculative.
Our federal securities laws started from the proposition of mandating full disclosure in prospectuses and the like, rather than a merit review of whether the offering was good or not.
Compare. Once upon a time, many state securities commissions would do a merit review. e.g., if you lived in Massachusetts, you couldn't buy stock in the Apple IPO back in the 1980s, because some bureaucrat thought it too speculative.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (r1fLd)
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(for disclosure, my Lady Friend is a Long Haul Trucker...)
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (qf6WZ)
Cross country trucker that's what I want to be.
Cross country trucker, nsked, burly, and free.
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (qf6WZ)
Cross country trucker that's what I want to be.
Cross country trucker, nsked, burly, and free.
Posted by: StrawMan at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (EdhH3)
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The problems that regulation seeks to solve would be better solved by lawsuits. Less efficient in some cases, but still preferable to this eyebrow threading bullshit.
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (vP09u)
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Well, I do know, back in the day the aforementioned EMTs used to be "ambulance drivers," and the ambulance companies were private enterprises.
Many a folk died because the vehicle that showed up (if/when it showed up) wasn't equipped for life-saving capabilities, often they were nothing more than transporters.
Call it what you will, but I'd say we're better off with a standard for what happens when you call with a medical emergency.
Many a folk died because the vehicle that showed up (if/when it showed up) wasn't equipped for life-saving capabilities, often they were nothing more than transporters.
Call it what you will, but I'd say we're better off with a standard for what happens when you call with a medical emergency.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (TOk1P)
58
Off-topic, except tangentially.
Red Letter Media teases the studio that did the remake of Ben-Hur.
https://youtu.be/Aomqbq5eIB0
Hollywood stopped worrying about selling tickets, and started worrying about unloading their rotten scripts and rights to suckers within. Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel could not be reached for comment.
Red Letter Media teases the studio that did the remake of Ben-Hur.
https://youtu.be/Aomqbq5eIB0
Hollywood stopped worrying about selling tickets, and started worrying about unloading their rotten scripts and rights to suckers within. Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel could not be reached for comment.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (VdICR)
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Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
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Yes, much better.
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Yes, much better.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (gmeXX)
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*naked
Posted by: StrawMan at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (EdhH3)
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (qf6WZ)
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39 I dunno - I remember flying commercial in the 70s and it was a much more pleasant experience than it is now. I'm told that portions of the industry were deregulated in the 80s which led to the whole cattle-car short-turnaround flying experience we had even before 9-11. But it was comparatively more expensive to fly in the 70s too.
So hard question. Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (eytER)
It is safer. Whether that was driven by regulation, or the bad publicity of dead bodies is a question I cannot answer.
So hard question. Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 22, 2016 01:57 PM (eytER)
It is safer. Whether that was driven by regulation, or the bad publicity of dead bodies is a question I cannot answer.
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (7hRS/)
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Undoubtedly it's cheaper to fly these days, but is it "better...?"
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Yes, much better.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (gmeXX)
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The parts that suck about flying are usually government related. See the TSA.
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Yes, much better.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (gmeXX)
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The parts that suck about flying are usually government related. See the TSA.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (gmeXX)
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38 32 32nd
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 22, 2016 01:54 PM (vP09u)
Oh, and by the way,
FIRST!
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (7hRS/)
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Yes, you were 1st. But, you didn't claim you were 1st until #38. So, a lesser form of first.
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 22, 2016 01:54 PM (vP09u)
Oh, and by the way,
FIRST!
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:56 PM (7hRS/)
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Yes, you were 1st. But, you didn't claim you were 1st until #38. So, a lesser form of first.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (R+30W)
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I remember some years ago reading about the interior decorator license requirements in Georgia, I think, that were totally ridiculous. We have to license interior decorators because if that feng shui gets out of hand, it could be real trouble.
Before licensing, thousands of people were injured every year by drapes that didn't go with the carpet.
Before licensing, thousands of people were injured every year by drapes that didn't go with the carpet.
Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (O7MnT)
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Even food regulation is not the "market failure/state intervention" story most imagine.
Before the FDA was a gleam in anyone's eye, private companies instituted their own food safety programs - precisely for reasons of market discipline (sick customers = poor sales).
Heinz got much of its jump in its early days from the fact that it was one of the first "safe" purveyors of canned/bottled foods. Botulinum and other problems were of course common in the early days of canned food.
Astonishingly, I learned about this from ...... the first manager of the first Heinz venture in China (a small plant near Guangzhou that made baby cereal and one other item). The guy told me he spent a significant amount of his time responding to Chinese govt. requests to help them set up their own food safety regulatory agency and practices - and they came to Heinz in particular because they knew the corporate history and how the company had pioneered the concept before regulation existed.
Before the FDA was a gleam in anyone's eye, private companies instituted their own food safety programs - precisely for reasons of market discipline (sick customers = poor sales).
Heinz got much of its jump in its early days from the fact that it was one of the first "safe" purveyors of canned/bottled foods. Botulinum and other problems were of course common in the early days of canned food.
Astonishingly, I learned about this from ...... the first manager of the first Heinz venture in China (a small plant near Guangzhou that made baby cereal and one other item). The guy told me he spent a significant amount of his time responding to Chinese govt. requests to help them set up their own food safety regulatory agency and practices - and they came to Heinz in particular because they knew the corporate history and how the company had pioneered the concept before regulation existed.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (QDnY+)
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It absolutely makes sense to regulate and tax those doubleplus badthink hair-braiders. They might create a successful business and be free from the government teat.
Posted by: setnaffa at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (jl6Ly)
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To anyone saying certain things need to be regulated...
Wrong. At most, things need to have laws restricting them. Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
Wrong. At most, things need to have laws restricting them. Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (L3vVL)
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Whether that was driven by regulation, or the bad publicity of dead bodies is a question I cannot answer.
Um, hello... what am I? Chopped liver?
Um, hello... what am I? Chopped liver?
Posted by: Technological Advancement at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (O7MnT)
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'Interior designer tops the list as the most difficult occupation to enter in the states where it is licensed,' according to License to Work. 'Although licensed in only three states and D.C., the requirements are onerous. Aspiring designers must pass a national exam, pay an average of $364 in fees and devote an average of almost 2,200 days-six years-to a combination of education and apprenticeship before they can begin work.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (/D5Lf)
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6 Yeah, what's the downside of getting bad haircut? It grows back and you go to a new barber.
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The braiders don't even cut hair. They just braid it. If you don't like how they do it, unbraid it. My young niece had her hair corn-rowed (very tight braids) at the beach once. After a couple of hours, she got tired of it and asked me to undo it. I took the rubber bands off and unraveled the braids. Took maybe a minute and a half. The (black) lady at the beach who had done the braids had spent 20-30 minutes on them, and charged $10. This was in the Bahamas, where she probably wasn't subject to 500 hours of required schooling and occupational licensing. Otherwise, it would have cost a lot more.
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The braiders don't even cut hair. They just braid it. If you don't like how they do it, unbraid it. My young niece had her hair corn-rowed (very tight braids) at the beach once. After a couple of hours, she got tired of it and asked me to undo it. I took the rubber bands off and unraveled the braids. Took maybe a minute and a half. The (black) lady at the beach who had done the braids had spent 20-30 minutes on them, and charged $10. This was in the Bahamas, where she probably wasn't subject to 500 hours of required schooling and occupational licensing. Otherwise, it would have cost a lot more.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (NnYnv)
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Before licensing, thousands of people were injured every year by drapes that didn't go with the carpet.
Posted by: V the K
And that's when strippers decided to go hardwood.
Posted by: V the K
And that's when strippers decided to go hardwood.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (xhqXI)
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Wrong. At most, things need to have laws restricting them. Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
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Good point. I'm not sure we even need laws, but at least those are voted on by people we can hold accountable.
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Good point. I'm not sure we even need laws, but at least those are voted on by people we can hold accountable.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (gmeXX)
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Wendy's, McDonalds, Burger King, WalMart and Kroger
all have their own inspectors that visit the supply chain to make sure
that everything is done to their specs, specs much higher than the
gubbermints.
....
Posted by: at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (kTZOh)
And when they say "100% Beef" they mean the whole cow including head, fur, and feet.
all have their own inspectors that visit the supply chain to make sure
that everything is done to their specs, specs much higher than the
gubbermints.
....
Posted by: at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (kTZOh)
And when they say "100% Beef" they mean the whole cow including head, fur, and feet.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (P/kVC)
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Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
That's a most cromulent point.
Are you by any chance related to alex(delegation doctrine motherfucker do you speak it)the chick?
That's a most cromulent point.
Are you by any chance related to alex(delegation doctrine motherfucker do you speak it)the chick?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 02:04 PM (mgbwf)
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And when they say "100% Beef" they mean the whole cow including head, fur, and feet.
Tain't just that.
Tain't just that.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:04 PM (UC5ui)
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Before licensing, thousands of people were injured every year by drapes that didn't go with the carpet.
Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (O7MnT)
James Lileks wrote a book about it. The interior decorations equivalent of Upton Sinclair:
https://www.amazon.com/Interior-Desecrations-Hideous-Homes-Horrible/dp/0307238725
Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (O7MnT)
James Lileks wrote a book about it. The interior decorations equivalent of Upton Sinclair:
https://www.amazon.com/Interior-Desecrations-Hideous-Homes-Horrible/dp/0307238725
Posted by: BurtTC at August 22, 2016 02:04 PM (TOk1P)
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>>> Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel could not be reached for comment. Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (VdICR)
Their new musical "Springtime for Hillary" is gonna be huge!
Their new musical "Springtime for Hillary" is gonna be huge!
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:05 PM (hvf9s)
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I was going to say electrical and building safety
codes also. Many building codes are ridiculous and do nothing but
increase costs. But the actual safety codes probably helped. Its pretty
hard for a consumer (renter) to use market avoidance when they can't see
the wires.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
City regs are mostly a waste. When I replaced my falling down fence I had to get a license to rebuild it in the same place, on property I will never own because it is taxed to death. Pay for a piece of property, live on it for 50 years and pay taxes and it's still not yours.
codes also. Many building codes are ridiculous and do nothing but
increase costs. But the actual safety codes probably helped. Its pretty
hard for a consumer (renter) to use market avoidance when they can't see
the wires.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
City regs are mostly a waste. When I replaced my falling down fence I had to get a license to rebuild it in the same place, on property I will never own because it is taxed to death. Pay for a piece of property, live on it for 50 years and pay taxes and it's still not yours.
Posted by: Infidel at August 22, 2016 02:05 PM (hh7N1)
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*fills bowl with popcorn. adds just the right amount of salt and butter. sits back to watch the show.*
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (qoKAm)
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68 To anyone saying certain things need to be regulated...
Wrong. At most, things need to have laws restricting them. Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (L3vVL)
This is the nasty, ugly secret of regulation: When it's unnecessary it's totally unnecessary and when it's necessary it has to be thorough. You and I are safer because of safety features for cars but licensing for hair braiders is bullshit and everybody knows it. I guess you could make that the tool for distinguishing necessity for regulation.
Wrong. At most, things need to have laws restricting them. Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (L3vVL)
This is the nasty, ugly secret of regulation: When it's unnecessary it's totally unnecessary and when it's necessary it has to be thorough. You and I are safer because of safety features for cars but licensing for hair braiders is bullshit and everybody knows it. I guess you could make that the tool for distinguishing necessity for regulation.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (RD7QR)
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69 Whether that was driven by regulation, or the bad publicity of dead bodies is a question I cannot answer.
Um, hello... what am I? Chopped liver?
Posted by: Technological Advancement at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (O7MnT)
Have you flown in a Boeing 737 lately? My last flight was in one a few years ago. The plane was designed in the 1960's. The 747 was designed about then too.
Um, hello... what am I? Chopped liver?
Posted by: Technological Advancement at August 22, 2016 02:02 PM (O7MnT)
Have you flown in a Boeing 737 lately? My last flight was in one a few years ago. The plane was designed in the 1960's. The 747 was designed about then too.
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (7hRS/)
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It was regulated more than 100 years ago, and with today's social media
those companies would have been driven out of business by the consumer
in about one week.
I agree that to an extent the market is self regulating, but don't pretend it's a perfect system. What is the acceptable number of children who get food poisoning in that week that it takes for the market to drive that business out with bad press? That's assuming that there aren't scammers who can still be profitable changing the name of their company every week. Companies sell fake eggs, yes fake eggs, in China like this. The truth eventually comes out, but they sell a lot of fake eggs before they're forced to change the name.
those companies would have been driven out of business by the consumer
in about one week.
I agree that to an extent the market is self regulating, but don't pretend it's a perfect system. What is the acceptable number of children who get food poisoning in that week that it takes for the market to drive that business out with bad press? That's assuming that there aren't scammers who can still be profitable changing the name of their company every week. Companies sell fake eggs, yes fake eggs, in China like this. The truth eventually comes out, but they sell a lot of fake eggs before they're forced to change the name.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (q3VFO)
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'Interior designer tops the list as the most difficult occupation to enter in the states where it is licensed,' according to License to Work. 'Although licensed in only three states and D.C., the requirements are onerous. Aspiring designers must pass a national exam, pay an average of $364 in fees and devote an average of almost 2,200 days-six years-to a combination of education and apprenticeship before they can begin work.'
Gay guy can furnish a room in 15 minutes.
Gay guy can furnish a room in 15 minutes.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (UC5ui)
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As a Dentist I pay all these license Fees and X-ray Fees and This tax fee and that Tax fee and that fee. And little fee here, and A little fee there..here a fee, there a fee
And NONE of it makes anyone any safer in my Office, believe me...All it does it line the pocket of some Agency.
And NONE of it makes anyone any safer in my Office, believe me...All it does it line the pocket of some Agency.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:07 PM (zp+j1)
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16 How long until SWAT teams descend on elementary schools to arrest all those scumbag 9 year old girls for unlicensed hair-braiding?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (xhqXI)
And they sure don't seem to like lemonade either.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (xhqXI)
And they sure don't seem to like lemonade either.
Posted by: 9 year old girls at August 22, 2016 02:07 PM (WF5ei)
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Basically, on-line customer reviews or consumer report websites can replace a lot of the regulatory state.
Uber is a great example: its better than a taxi cab commission at dropping bad drivers and keeping good drivers.
Uber is a great example: its better than a taxi cab commission at dropping bad drivers and keeping good drivers.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:08 PM (UBBWX)
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Have you flown in a Boeing 737 lately? My last flight was in one a few years ago. The plane was designed in the 1960's. The 747 was designed about then too.
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You say that like its a bad thing. I realize it was in response to the technological advancement nic. But to have a plane that was engineered in the 60's still flying publicly today says a lot. It says that it is a robust and stable aircraft, and they have probably figured out solutions to almost all the bad design elements.
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You say that like its a bad thing. I realize it was in response to the technological advancement nic. But to have a plane that was engineered in the 60's still flying publicly today says a lot. It says that it is a robust and stable aircraft, and they have probably figured out solutions to almost all the bad design elements.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:08 PM (gmeXX)
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If I recall correctly, trucking regulation got started back in the day because truckers were doing Meth in order to drive 48 hours straight and were a hazard to other motorists.
As far as complaining in ALL CAPS about lack of overtime, negotiate a better contract.
As far as complaining in ALL CAPS about lack of overtime, negotiate a better contract.
Posted by: countrydoc at August 22, 2016 02:09 PM (QP15r)
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5 As a Dentist I pay all these license Fees and X-ray Fees and This tax fee and that Tax fee and that fee. And little fee here, and A little fee there..here a fee, there a fee
And NONE of it makes anyone any safer in my Office, believe me...All it does it line the pocket of some Agency.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:07 PM (zp+j1)
Sounds like someone needs a little re-education.
And NONE of it makes anyone any safer in my Office, believe me...All it does it line the pocket of some Agency.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:07 PM (zp+j1)
Sounds like someone needs a little re-education.
Posted by: Hillary at August 22, 2016 02:10 PM (EdhH3)
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"Companies sell fake eggs, yes fake eggs, in China like this. The truth eventually comes out, but they sell a lot of fake eggs before they're forced to change the name."
I read about that, but I think it ended up being a myth.
Really, feeding chicken only costs chicken feed.
http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/beware_fake_eggs_from_china
I read about that, but I think it ended up being a myth.
Really, feeding chicken only costs chicken feed.
http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/beware_fake_eggs_from_china
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:10 PM (UBBWX)
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There are case where some regulation has improved the market or over-all quality of a good/service.
Some like the initial air quality regulation on discrete sources like power plants has undoubtedly improved air quality. The problem is that the EPA and other agencies have expanded their power and reach exponentially.
Coupled with an antagonistic/weaponized bureaucratic ethos, we have the malicious administrative state that is fueling it's own unaccountable and monstrous growth.
Most of the beneficial regulation should have been restricted to state level agencies only. The EPA should never been allowed to progress beyond and advisory and research lab. The states all have their own agencies.
Notice that the few areas in which a Federal agency is necessary, our Betters in DC have used perverted oversight to fuck over the country; border/immigration and the Federal reserve.
(and I'd include the FCC's vicious stupidity when it comes to the bandwidth market. Internet access should not be as expensive as it is in Zimbabwe/Solomon Isl./Peruvia ... )
Some like the initial air quality regulation on discrete sources like power plants has undoubtedly improved air quality. The problem is that the EPA and other agencies have expanded their power and reach exponentially.
Coupled with an antagonistic/weaponized bureaucratic ethos, we have the malicious administrative state that is fueling it's own unaccountable and monstrous growth.
Most of the beneficial regulation should have been restricted to state level agencies only. The EPA should never been allowed to progress beyond and advisory and research lab. The states all have their own agencies.
Notice that the few areas in which a Federal agency is necessary, our Betters in DC have used perverted oversight to fuck over the country; border/immigration and the Federal reserve.
(and I'd include the FCC's vicious stupidity when it comes to the bandwidth market. Internet access should not be as expensive as it is in Zimbabwe/Solomon Isl./Peruvia ... )
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 22, 2016 02:11 PM (V3IFq)
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For exhibit 1...
Uber vs. Taxis...
NYC just added a regulation that taxi drivers don't have to speak or understand English, because racism. Makes Uber even more attractive...
Uber vs. Taxis...
NYC just added a regulation that taxi drivers don't have to speak or understand English, because racism. Makes Uber even more attractive...
Posted by: Ian S. at August 22, 2016 02:11 PM (KUTP5)
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Dentists are actually very well organized and avoid a lot of regulation because the ADA goes to bat for them.
See Charles Murray book on this subject of private groups opposing the regulatory state.
See Charles Murray book on this subject of private groups opposing the regulatory state.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:11 PM (UBBWX)
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Coal mining. I've been in it 40 years, and believe me,it was a whole lot more deadly 40 years ago than it is now and no, it's not because of mechanization because that hasn't changed that much and a lot of what did change was because of regulations.
Now you can make a good case that some of the laws are not needed at some of the mines, but you open a whole nother can of worms when you start making exceptions. Also, some regulators are dickheads and some are too easy, and at the very top of the totem pole is a political appointee, but overall, 99% of the people in the industry realize coal regs are a necessary evil.
Now you can make a good case that some of the laws are not needed at some of the mines, but you open a whole nother can of worms when you start making exceptions. Also, some regulators are dickheads and some are too easy, and at the very top of the totem pole is a political appointee, but overall, 99% of the people in the industry realize coal regs are a necessary evil.
Posted by: Subterranean JT at August 22, 2016 02:11 PM (qG0hz)
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what's the downside of getting bad haircut? It grows back and you go to a new barber.
And what's the downside of someone refusing to bake a cake for your gay wedding? According to Gary Johnson, it means Mormons get to shoot Muslims in the streets, or something.
And what's the downside of someone refusing to bake a cake for your gay wedding? According to Gary Johnson, it means Mormons get to shoot Muslims in the streets, or something.
Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (O7MnT)
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We were all so proud of Presdent Obama announicing he is going to Louusiana to help those poor people. Trump went there and lied and Presdent Obama should do something about Trump. He is not Presdent and will never be Presdent.... Keeps up the good work Presdent oblama and Brattleboro will always love you and your lovery Wife Micheal.....
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (NuElX)
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Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (RD7QR)
Dang! that's what I get for commenting after I leave my desk.
Dang! that's what I get for commenting after I leave my desk.
Posted by: countrydoc at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (QP15r)
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How long until SWAT teams descend on elementary schools to arrest all those scumbag 9 year old girls for unlicensed hair-braiding?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (xhqXI)
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About 2 yeqrs wgo black cars thqt just said "Police" on them began to appear around here, with a logo the size of a basketball with small lettering in the logo.
I finally got close enough to read the lettering. "Cobb County Board of Education".
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 01:49 PM (xhqXI)
****
About 2 yeqrs wgo black cars thqt just said "Police" on them began to appear around here, with a logo the size of a basketball with small lettering in the logo.
I finally got close enough to read the lettering. "Cobb County Board of Education".
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (6X/Qu)
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Bwahaha, I love when the left get hammered by their own stupid rules.
NEW YORK (AP) - Good Morning America co-anchor Amy Robach has apologized for saying 'colored people' on Monday's broadcast of the ABC program.
Her use of the term sparked criticism on social media. 'Offensive,' tweeted one viewer. Another said Robach 'gets a pass this time' but vowed to ditch 'GMA' for a rival morning program if it happened again.
Bwahaha, I love when the left get hammered by their own stupid rules.
NEW YORK (AP) - Good Morning America co-anchor Amy Robach has apologized for saying 'colored people' on Monday's broadcast of the ABC program.
Her use of the term sparked criticism on social media. 'Offensive,' tweeted one viewer. Another said Robach 'gets a pass this time' but vowed to ditch 'GMA' for a rival morning program if it happened again.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (UBBWX)
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Oklahoma - 600 hours to braid hair....
Guess which totes free market and small government party has a super-majority of both houses of the Oklahoma legislature, and could fix this if they wanted.
Oklahoma - 600 hours to braid hair....
Guess which totes free market and small government party has a super-majority of both houses of the Oklahoma legislature, and could fix this if they wanted.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (kdS6q)
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99% of the people in the industry realize coal regs are a necessary evil
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I'm not in the industry and I'm not convinced.
Of course, there are two issues? Are they necessary, and who should be the one imposing them?
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I'm not in the industry and I'm not convinced.
Of course, there are two issues? Are they necessary, and who should be the one imposing them?
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)
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According to Gary Johnson, it means Mormons get to shoot Muslims in the streets, or something.
Sounds like even more fun than a hobo hunt.
Sounds like even more fun than a hobo hunt.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 22, 2016 02:13 PM (KUTP5)
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 22, 2016 02:13 PM (sUQ21)
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nice too see mary is back on her meds again. i was getting worried.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 22, 2016 02:13 PM (KP5rU)
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Lemonade stands can't just pop up willy-nilly without our expert guidance!
Posted by: Guy with a form and a gov't car at August 22, 2016 02:14 PM (GzDYP)
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As far as complaining in ALL CAPS about lack of overtime, negotiate a better contract.
Posted by: countrydoc at August 22, 2016 02:09 PM (QP15r)
Sorry, but by Law and Regulation, they can't be paid overtime, even when State Law dictates it...
Which is the point... if you cross, or may cross a State line in a truck, you are then governed by the Dept. of Transportation... not the Dept. of Labor... unlike just about every other Job in the US...
Which shows that Laws and Regulations are manipulated by Industries and Large Corporations...
Posted by: countrydoc at August 22, 2016 02:09 PM (QP15r)
Sorry, but by Law and Regulation, they can't be paid overtime, even when State Law dictates it...
Which is the point... if you cross, or may cross a State line in a truck, you are then governed by the Dept. of Transportation... not the Dept. of Labor... unlike just about every other Job in the US...
Which shows that Laws and Regulations are manipulated by Industries and Large Corporations...
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 02:14 PM (qf6WZ)
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"Coal mining. I've been in it 40 years, and believe me,it was a whole lot more deadly 40 years ago than it is now and no, it's not because of mechanization because that hasn't changed that much and a lot of what did change was because of regulations."
Probably dangerous jobs are where regulations can help. Its not always against the mean 'ole boss, either.
We have a supplier in china who tried to provide his workers with N90 masks and the workers refused to wear them...with a regulator, you could force them to do so.
Probably dangerous jobs are where regulations can help. Its not always against the mean 'ole boss, either.
We have a supplier in china who tried to provide his workers with N90 masks and the workers refused to wear them...with a regulator, you could force them to do so.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:14 PM (UBBWX)
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You can't just let anyone braid hair.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:14 PM (8ZskC)
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In LA it takes two years of classes to be licensed to set up a home entertainment system.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 22, 2016 02:15 PM (/D5Lf)
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Now, am I arguing for the regulatory state? Christ no. I would be pleased if we could pare the legal, tax, and regulatory codes down to the bare minimum necessary to run an advanced Western economy. But there has to be a happy medium between the leftists regulating the size of bananas and the libertarians saying that nothing should be regulated whatsoever. Less is better; none is bad.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (RD7QR)
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Have you flown in a Boeing 737 lately? My last flight was in one a few years ago. The plane was designed in the 1960's.
The airframe was designed in the 1960's, and the fuselage has not change much because its economical to maintain the existing tools.
However, that's about it. Everything from the wings, to the engines, to the avionics, to the control systems, to the safety systems on a current generation 737 has about as much in common with the original aircraft as a 2017 Ford Focus has with a 1965 Galaxie.
The airframe was designed in the 1960's, and the fuselage has not change much because its economical to maintain the existing tools.
However, that's about it. Everything from the wings, to the engines, to the avionics, to the control systems, to the safety systems on a current generation 737 has about as much in common with the original aircraft as a 2017 Ford Focus has with a 1965 Galaxie.
Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (O7MnT)
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OK, back at my desk. About Chipotle...I have this crazy theory, bear with me, that Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now, and this is increasingly what informs their decisions. As such, the marketplace will not regulate behavior in the manner generally expected in those cases.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (9krrF)
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>>> You and I are safer because of safety features for cars but licensing for hair braiders is bullshit and everybody knows it. I guess you could make that the tool for distinguishing necessity for regulation.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (RD7QR)
Those unregulated lemonade stands run by kids on the side of the road were an absolute menace. Thank goodness the government stepped in to do something about it!
I do remember when nail salons had that horrible flesh eating outbreak due to poor cleanliness. Gross. And the explosion of foot trucks recently has made the number of iffy taco stands in my area surge. Should we regulate absolutely everything? Sometimes I think so, but buyer beware is probably the sanest policy.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:06 PM (RD7QR)
Those unregulated lemonade stands run by kids on the side of the road were an absolute menace. Thank goodness the government stepped in to do something about it!
I do remember when nail salons had that horrible flesh eating outbreak due to poor cleanliness. Gross. And the explosion of foot trucks recently has made the number of iffy taco stands in my area surge. Should we regulate absolutely everything? Sometimes I think so, but buyer beware is probably the sanest policy.
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (hvf9s)
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Coal mining. I've been in it 40 years, and believe me,it was a whole lot
more deadly 40 years ago than it is now and no, it's not because of
mechanization because that hasn't changed that much and a lot of what
did change was because of regulations.
Now you can make a good case that some of the laws are not needed at
some of the mines, but you open a whole nother can of worms when you
start making exceptions. Also, some regulators are dickheads and some
are too easy, and at the very top of the totem pole is a political
appointee, but overall, 99% of the people in the industry realize coal
regs are a necessary evil.
Posted by: Subterranean JT at August 22, 2016 02:11 PM (qG0hz)
--Utilities too. Corporate utilities tend conservative, but there is generally an understanding on both sides that some regulations are necessary. Considering that water and power companies (for example) are essentially monopolies within their territories, it makes some sense for there to be some oversight, and this is typically done at the state level. (Though, there are things like FERC also).Insurance companies have also, by and large, made peace with the fact that they are heavily regulated in most states. Much of that regulation is heavy-handed, and arguably not necessary, but my guess is that most people would not be happy with a completely unregulated insurance market.
Coal mining. I've been in it 40 years, and believe me,it was a whole lot
more deadly 40 years ago than it is now and no, it's not because of
mechanization because that hasn't changed that much and a lot of what
did change was because of regulations.
Now you can make a good case that some of the laws are not needed at
some of the mines, but you open a whole nother can of worms when you
start making exceptions. Also, some regulators are dickheads and some
are too easy, and at the very top of the totem pole is a political
appointee, but overall, 99% of the people in the industry realize coal
regs are a necessary evil.
Posted by: Subterranean JT at August 22, 2016 02:11 PM (qG0hz)
--Utilities too. Corporate utilities tend conservative, but there is generally an understanding on both sides that some regulations are necessary. Considering that water and power companies (for example) are essentially monopolies within their territories, it makes some sense for there to be some oversight, and this is typically done at the state level. (Though, there are things like FERC also).Insurance companies have also, by and large, made peace with the fact that they are heavily regulated in most states. Much of that regulation is heavy-handed, and arguably not necessary, but my guess is that most people would not be happy with a completely unregulated insurance market.
Posted by: Revenant at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (3DSAh)
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Dentists are actually very well organized and avoid a lot of regulation because the ADA goes to bat for them.
Bullshit. The ADA is full of shit and is another organization that only lines it's own pockets by selling out it's members
Bullshit. The ADA is full of shit and is another organization that only lines it's own pockets by selling out it's members
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (zp+j1)
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It is safer. Whether that was driven by regulation, or the bad publicity of dead bodies is a question I cannot answer.
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (7hRS/)
I think that depends entirely on the definition of "safer".
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 02:01 PM (7hRS/)
I think that depends entirely on the definition of "safer".
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (P/kVC)
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114 OK, back at my desk. About Chipotle...I have this crazy theory, bear with me, that Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now, and this is increasingly what informs their decisions. As such, the marketplace will not regulate behavior in the manner generally expected in those cases.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (9krrF)
That may explain The Whopperito
just nasty
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (9krrF)
That may explain The Whopperito
just nasty
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (/D5Lf)
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"Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now,"
There's truth to this, as more companies and industries join the Borg. Often, the HR department has sway.
There's truth to this, as more companies and industries join the Borg. Often, the HR department has sway.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (r1fLd)
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All regulations are not the same, Ace.
Regulations concerning food safety, etc. are, by and large, necessary but are probably taken to the extreme these days.
Regulating the medical industry standards of practice and minimum training is probably a pretty good idea as well.
And, yes, your argument that markets and competitors would self correct an industry is an ideal.. but I don't want to be the one getting salmonella and dying in order to put a spotlight on a certain company's bad practices. And most people agree with me.
Regulations concerning food safety, etc. are, by and large, necessary but are probably taken to the extreme these days.
Regulating the medical industry standards of practice and minimum training is probably a pretty good idea as well.
And, yes, your argument that markets and competitors would self correct an industry is an ideal.. but I don't want to be the one getting salmonella and dying in order to put a spotlight on a certain company's bad practices. And most people agree with me.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (so+oy)
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91
"Companies sell fake eggs, yes fake eggs, in China like this. The truth
eventually comes out, but they sell a lot of fake eggs before they're
forced to change the name."
I read about that, but I think it ended up being a myth.
Really, feeding chicken only costs chicken feed.
http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/beware_fake_eggs_from_china
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:10 PM (UBBWX)
That's a shame if it's a hoax, since the whole idea of a fake egg scam is so outlandish.
"Companies sell fake eggs, yes fake eggs, in China like this. The truth
eventually comes out, but they sell a lot of fake eggs before they're
forced to change the name."
I read about that, but I think it ended up being a myth.
Really, feeding chicken only costs chicken feed.
http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/beware_fake_eggs_from_china
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:10 PM (UBBWX)
That's a shame if it's a hoax, since the whole idea of a fake egg scam is so outlandish.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (q3VFO)
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Depends on what hair you're braiding. It could be very dangerous.
OT: Beck this morning was highlighting a few nuts that show up at Trump rallies and tried to make it seem like these were mainstream Trump supporters. There are always crazies that show up at any rally but Beck is so invested in 'never-Trump' he will never back down.
OT: Beck this morning was highlighting a few nuts that show up at Trump rallies and tried to make it seem like these were mainstream Trump supporters. There are always crazies that show up at any rally but Beck is so invested in 'never-Trump' he will never back down.
Posted by: Cheri at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (oiNtH)
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Lawyers mostly regulate themselves. A friend who is a judge says, if you want to see a really corrupt occupation, find one without a bar association.
Speaking of rent seekers, Rush has said over 100 green companies have gone out of business since O took over. Their owners of course are still rich with taxpayer monies.
Speaking of rent seekers, Rush has said over 100 green companies have gone out of business since O took over. Their owners of course are still rich with taxpayer monies.
Posted by: PJ at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (cHuNI)
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That's dangerous talk, comrade. Don't you know that
women and minorities are most at risk when regulations are repealed?
There's an internet meme to prove it. How can you hate women and
minorities so much that you want to put them at risk?
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 01:51 PM (L3vVL)
I know you are joking shillelagh but on a serious note... the exact opposite is true. Minorities and the poor are much more likely to be harmed by regulatory overreach than the middle class is because they do not have the resources to break into professions that are licensed by the state.
women and minorities are most at risk when regulations are repealed?
There's an internet meme to prove it. How can you hate women and
minorities so much that you want to put them at risk?
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 01:51 PM (L3vVL)
I know you are joking shillelagh but on a serious note... the exact opposite is true. Minorities and the poor are much more likely to be harmed by regulatory overreach than the middle class is because they do not have the resources to break into professions that are licensed by the state.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (3JA/M)
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OK, back at my desk. About Chipotle...I have this crazy theory, bear with me, that Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now, and this is increasingly what informs their decisions.
Publicly traded corporations have legal/fiduciary responsibilities that they generally have to follow or go to jail.
Play fast and loose with the corporation and it could get dicey.
Publicly traded corporations have legal/fiduciary responsibilities that they generally have to follow or go to jail.
Play fast and loose with the corporation and it could get dicey.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:19 PM (UC5ui)
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I enjoy the fact that to unscrew my gas dryer and then to screw the new tube in I'm supposed to pay a subcontractor $350. $200 of that is in a permit from the city and then they send out an inspector. Same for stoves. So I did the dryer myself since it was out in the open and obvious. I paid for the stove installation, since I didn't want a leak. Turns out the last stove installer rigged it wrong, so that was an additional $200 to meet code. So a $675 gas range ended up costing well over $1000.
Posted by: dagny at August 22, 2016 02:19 PM (eSQgj)
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'Interior designer tops the list as the most difficult occupation to
enter in the states where it is licensed,' according to License to Work.
'Although licensed in only three states and D.C., the requirements are
onerous. Aspiring designers must pass a national exam, pay an average of
$364 in fees and devote an average of almost 2,200 days-six years-to a
combination of education and apprenticeship before they can begin work.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (/D5Lf)
Pretty good shortcut for a second rate would-be architect.
'Interior designer tops the list as the most difficult occupation to
enter in the states where it is licensed,' according to License to Work.
'Although licensed in only three states and D.C., the requirements are
onerous. Aspiring designers must pass a national exam, pay an average of
$364 in fees and devote an average of almost 2,200 days-six years-to a
combination of education and apprenticeship before they can begin work.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 22, 2016 02:03 PM (/D5Lf)
Pretty good shortcut for a second rate would-be architect.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 22, 2016 02:19 PM (P/kVC)
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>Call it what you will, but I'd say we're better off with a standard for what happens when you call with a medical emergency.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (TOk1P)
Question: Ambulances...more well regulated than a PP clinic?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (TOk1P)
Question: Ambulances...more well regulated than a PP clinic?
Posted by: Lea at August 22, 2016 02:19 PM (lIU4e)
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I have this crazy theory, bear with me, that Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now, and this is increasingly what informs their decisions. As such, the marketplace will not regulate behavior in the manner generally expected in those cases.
Ummm...I don't know whether Chipotle is public or private but it has investors. Investors want to make money.
I don't know of an example that contradicts "human beings act in their perceived self-interest".
Ummm...I don't know whether Chipotle is public or private but it has investors. Investors want to make money.
I don't know of an example that contradicts "human beings act in their perceived self-interest".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 02:20 PM (mgbwf)
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Interior designer tops the list as the most difficult occupation to enter in the states where it is licensed. Aspiring designers must pass a national exam, pay an average of $364 in fees...
Posted by: RWC
As well as prepare a Souffleed Spinach and Goat Cheese Omelette, and sing Valjean's Soliloquy from Les Mis.
Interior designer tops the list as the most difficult occupation to enter in the states where it is licensed. Aspiring designers must pass a national exam, pay an average of $364 in fees...
Posted by: RWC
As well as prepare a Souffleed Spinach and Goat Cheese Omelette, and sing Valjean's Soliloquy from Les Mis.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 22, 2016 02:20 PM (kdS6q)
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Unlicensed hair-braiding is a gateway offense to other more serious crimes, like unlicensed mustache trimming.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:20 PM (8ZskC)
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As ridiculous as regs get, there are companies that would let people die if they wouldn't get caught and still get paid a pretty penny.
I wish that we lived in a world that wasn't like that but there it is.
I wish that we lived in a world that wasn't like that but there it is.
Posted by: Cheri at August 22, 2016 02:21 PM (oiNtH)
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have this crazy theory, bear with me, that Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now, and this is increasingly what informs their decisions.
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I think they see the ideological acting as having economic incentives though - no?
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I think they see the ideological acting as having economic incentives though - no?
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:21 PM (gmeXX)
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SOLAS
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Campaign F.U.D. Fix at the Outrage Outlet! New Shipments Arrive Daily! at August 22, 2016 02:21 PM (hLRSq)
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"That's a shame if it's a hoax, since the whole idea of a fake egg scam is so outlandish."
Yes, I wanted to believe, too. The video did show how they did it, so its possible.
Yes, I wanted to believe, too. The video did show how they did it, so its possible.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:21 PM (UBBWX)
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I am objectively good at massage. I have been told by two professional masseuses that I am good and don't need any more training.
But the state wants 500 hours of paid school.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (mgbwf)
450 of those hours are used to train you what to do when the customer asks for a "happy ending."
But the state wants 500 hours of paid school.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 01:47 PM (mgbwf)
450 of those hours are used to train you what to do when the customer asks for a "happy ending."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:22 PM (8ZskC)
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OK, back at my desk. About Chipotle...I have this crazy theory, bear with me, that Chipotle (and most media outlets) no longer act according to strictly economic motivations. Instead they are effectively ideological actors now, and this is increasingly what informs their decisions. As such, the marketplace will not regulate behavior in the manner generally expected in those cases.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (9krrF)
Like many other things, it's gone on for a while, but mostly went unnoticed. This is just another area where the prog scum and their CofC allies have taken off the mask.
See Twitter, Facebook, Target, Disney, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (9krrF)
Like many other things, it's gone on for a while, but mostly went unnoticed. This is just another area where the prog scum and their CofC allies have taken off the mask.
See Twitter, Facebook, Target, Disney, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 22, 2016 02:22 PM (Idu2i)
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Those unregulated lemonade stands run by kids on
the side of the road were an absolute menace. Thank goodness the
government stepped in to do something about it!
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (hvf9s)
Once upon a time our society had common sense, and that also applied to those individuals working in the government. You see things generally work better when activities are conducted by those who aren't stark raving mad. The problem is that everybody today is either: stark raving mad, or envious of the madness of those that are mad, or coming to the realization that they aren't going to be alive for much longer.
Those unregulated lemonade stands run by kids on
the side of the road were an absolute menace. Thank goodness the
government stepped in to do something about it!
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (hvf9s)
Once upon a time our society had common sense, and that also applied to those individuals working in the government. You see things generally work better when activities are conducted by those who aren't stark raving mad. The problem is that everybody today is either: stark raving mad, or envious of the madness of those that are mad, or coming to the realization that they aren't going to be alive for much longer.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (q3VFO)
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I have an idea. Why don't the people regulate the size and scope of government. I know it's novel, but we could write it into a national constitution or something.
Posted by: Soona at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (Fmupd)
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Regulating the medical industry standards of practice and minimum training is probably a pretty good idea as well.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (so+oy)
In Virginia, counselors and occupational therapists are licensed as health professions. Are you saying that citizens can't choose someone to talk to about their problems or someone to teach their autistic kids how to behave in public without state intervention?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 22, 2016 02:18 PM (so+oy)
In Virginia, counselors and occupational therapists are licensed as health professions. Are you saying that citizens can't choose someone to talk to about their problems or someone to teach their autistic kids how to behave in public without state intervention?
Posted by: redbanzai at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (3JA/M)
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As ridiculous as regs get, there are companies that would let people die if they wouldn't get caught and still get paid a pretty penny.
I wish that we lived in a world that wasn't like that but there it is.
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I'm not sure this is true - at least it is not prevalent. To the extent true, how do you think regulations actually make a difference? If they are willing to let employees die, I'm assuming they are also willing to skirt around regulations - or do the bare minimum?
I wish that we lived in a world that wasn't like that but there it is.
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I'm not sure this is true - at least it is not prevalent. To the extent true, how do you think regulations actually make a difference? If they are willing to let employees die, I'm assuming they are also willing to skirt around regulations - or do the bare minimum?
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (gmeXX)
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So a $675 gas range ended up costing well over $1000.
Posted by: dagny
Legal rape I'm sure that it didn't feel good.
Posted by: dagny
Legal rape I'm sure that it didn't feel good.
Posted by: Cheri at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (oiNtH)
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Also, good regulations are only as good as the people who inspect, audit, etc.
Case in point: Deep Horizon was regularly inspected by the government.
The government inspector actually have the Deep Horizon workers the inspection form, told them to fill it in pencil, and he'd go over it in pen.
I suspect a lot of government oversight ends up being like this: pro-forma.
The other issue is audit: my small company has been told to not worry about OSHA, etc., unless someone gets injured, or a disgruntled employee tattles, they don't come looking for you.
Case in point: Deep Horizon was regularly inspected by the government.
The government inspector actually have the Deep Horizon workers the inspection form, told them to fill it in pencil, and he'd go over it in pen.
I suspect a lot of government oversight ends up being like this: pro-forma.
The other issue is audit: my small company has been told to not worry about OSHA, etc., unless someone gets injured, or a disgruntled employee tattles, they don't come looking for you.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (UBBWX)
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I think they see the ideological acting as having economic incentives though - no?
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:21 PM (gmeXX)
--That's their justification. I tend to think that corporate culture skews leftwards, and people get into these high-level positions and decide that they are going to do some "good." Its virtue-signalling for the corporate class, basically.Relatively few people fall into the pure "capitalist" class anymore -- they want to feel good about making money.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:21 PM (gmeXX)
--That's their justification. I tend to think that corporate culture skews leftwards, and people get into these high-level positions and decide that they are going to do some "good." Its virtue-signalling for the corporate class, basically.Relatively few people fall into the pure "capitalist" class anymore -- they want to feel good about making money.
Posted by: Revenant at August 22, 2016 02:23 PM (3DSAh)
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*or you found a non-profit educating citizens about the Constitution or electoral integrity. Then all the agencies come after you.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (UBBWX)
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*eyetwitch*
I had a motherfucker of a day getting back from Seattle yesterday, what with Delta point blank lying to my fucking face about how they held down and chupacabra thunderfucked my ticket for the connection from Atlanta to home and thus I ended up getting in at 2:30 a.m. instead of 7:00 p.m. and with no one being quite sure just where my suitcase is.
So.
Let me just say this.
ARRRRRGGGGHHHH
DELEGATION DOCTRINE RAGE TWITCH
ARRRRRRGGGGHHHH
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go get really really really drunk.
I had a motherfucker of a day getting back from Seattle yesterday, what with Delta point blank lying to my fucking face about how they held down and chupacabra thunderfucked my ticket for the connection from Atlanta to home and thus I ended up getting in at 2:30 a.m. instead of 7:00 p.m. and with no one being quite sure just where my suitcase is.
So.
Let me just say this.
ARRRRRGGGGHHHH
DELEGATION DOCTRINE RAGE TWITCH
ARRRRRRGGGGHHHH
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go get really really really drunk.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (dEQP3)
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Are you saying that citizens can't choose someone to talk to about their problems or someone to teach their autistic kids how to behave in public without state intervention?
The Doctor Is IN
The Doctor Is IN
Posted by: Lucy at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (8ZskC)
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Light rail transit has done so much for Minneapolis and St. Paul. Including killing about a dozen motorists and pedestrians.
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:45 PM (7hRS/)
And the same for Houston as well as fucking up traffic
Posted by: rd at August 22, 2016 01:45 PM (7hRS/)
And the same for Houston as well as fucking up traffic
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 22, 2016 02:25 PM (QPdNE)
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Publicly traded corporations have legal/fiduciary responsibilities that they generally have to follow or go to jail.
Play fast and loose with the corporation and it could get dicey.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:19 PM (UC5ui)
Depends on which side of the aisle the corporation is on.
Twitter, Facebook, etc. can do pretty much whatever they want. But if you're Exxon/Mobil and don't go along with the global warming scam, watch out.
Play fast and loose with the corporation and it could get dicey.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:19 PM (UC5ui)
Depends on which side of the aisle the corporation is on.
Twitter, Facebook, etc. can do pretty much whatever they want. But if you're Exxon/Mobil and don't go along with the global warming scam, watch out.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 22, 2016 02:25 PM (Idu2i)
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I knew an old man who was over water treatment facilities for a major city in the 80s, and he often commented on how much better things were after plants couldn't just call the pool hall to get a replacement when an operator didn't show up for work. (He swore he saw that, or something similar, happen more than once before he became the boss.)
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at August 22, 2016 02:25 PM (x4zgf)
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In Mobile, AL you have to get a building permit to replace your front door.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 22, 2016 02:25 PM (jsWA8)
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103 99% of the people in the industry realize coal regs are a necessary evil
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I'm not in the industry and I'm not convinced.
Of course, there are two issues? Are they necessary, and who should be the one imposing them?
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)
Valid question on who should be enforcing regs. I guess the people, through their legislatures, decided back in the sixties that, at least in KY, state and federal both would regulate. That could change.
As far as you not being convinced it's necessary, I suppose you would have to ask some miners. I know hundreds, and most of us are closer to anarchists than collectivist.
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I'm not in the industry and I'm not convinced.
Of course, there are two issues? Are they necessary, and who should be the one imposing them?
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)
Valid question on who should be enforcing regs. I guess the people, through their legislatures, decided back in the sixties that, at least in KY, state and federal both would regulate. That could change.
As far as you not being convinced it's necessary, I suppose you would have to ask some miners. I know hundreds, and most of us are closer to anarchists than collectivist.
Posted by: Subterranean JT at August 22, 2016 02:25 PM (qG0hz)
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"As ridiculous as regs get, there are companies that would let people die if they wouldn't get caught and still get paid a pretty penny.
I wish that we lived in a world that wasn't like that but there it is."
This is true. Even a small percentage of assholes who do this can cause major headaches.
Internet helps a lot, but in some industries, assholes are just too prevalent. Guys who sell annuities to 99 year olds, etc.
I wish that we lived in a world that wasn't like that but there it is."
This is true. Even a small percentage of assholes who do this can cause major headaches.
Internet helps a lot, but in some industries, assholes are just too prevalent. Guys who sell annuities to 99 year olds, etc.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:26 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 02:27 PM (mgbwf)
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The Doctor Is IN
Posted by: Lucy at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (8ZskC)
That will be a lengthy felony prison sentence for you, Lucy.
Posted by: Lucy at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (8ZskC)
That will be a lengthy felony prison sentence for you, Lucy.
Posted by: your average Commonwealth's Attorney at August 22, 2016 02:27 PM (3JA/M)
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Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go get really really really drunk.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (dEQP3)
There just aren't enough opportunities to work the phrase "chupacabra thunderfucked" into conversation. And welcome back, Your Malevolence.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (dEQP3)
There just aren't enough opportunities to work the phrase "chupacabra thunderfucked" into conversation. And welcome back, Your Malevolence.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:27 PM (RD7QR)
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And what's the downside of someone refusing to bake a cake for your gay wedding? According to Gary Johnson, it means Mormons get to shoot Muslims in the streets, or something. Posted by: V the K at August 22, 2016 02:12 PM (O7MnT)
Heh. When my Mormon momma had an Iranian family move into her complex, she made them a rainbow funfetti cake. Not sure it it was halal but the family accepted it anyway. They returned the favor and made her some meat pastries. So good...
Johnson got in BIG trouble with Mormons for alluding that we are basically one step away from reenacting Mountain Meadows. (Which was not even a religious edict, it was a mistake made by an isolated group of paranoid settlers. But I digress.) More votes for McMuffin I guess.
Heh. When my Mormon momma had an Iranian family move into her complex, she made them a rainbow funfetti cake. Not sure it it was halal but the family accepted it anyway. They returned the favor and made her some meat pastries. So good...
Johnson got in BIG trouble with Mormons for alluding that we are basically one step away from reenacting Mountain Meadows. (Which was not even a religious edict, it was a mistake made by an isolated group of paranoid settlers. But I digress.) More votes for McMuffin I guess.
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:27 PM (hvf9s)
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"Depends on which side of the aisle the corporation is on."
Because of industry consolidation, many companies don't have the same kind of pressure from competitors that they once did.
They do have to swim in a political sea, and manage to it.
Because of industry consolidation, many companies don't have the same kind of pressure from competitors that they once did.
They do have to swim in a political sea, and manage to it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 22, 2016 02:27 PM (r1fLd)
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Like...those mattress tags?
Those are there because it was very popular for assholes to put garbage into mattresses to sell them a very low cost.
Literally garbage.
Those are there because it was very popular for assholes to put garbage into mattresses to sell them a very low cost.
Literally garbage.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:27 PM (UBBWX)
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140 I have an idea. Why don't the people regulate the size and scope of government. I know it's novel, but we could write it into a national constitution or something.
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Would never work. The leftists would infiltrate the school system and convince young kids that the constitution is a "living" document and that it morphs and changes to mean whatever the leftists want it to mean at any given time.
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Would never work. The leftists would infiltrate the school system and convince young kids that the constitution is a "living" document and that it morphs and changes to mean whatever the leftists want it to mean at any given time.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 22, 2016 02:28 PM (NnYnv)
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SH
One example.
California has one of the worst death rates per OSHA. A lot of Construction companies hire illegals who don't understand safety regulations and they end up dying because of it. A company will ask a worker Do you understand all of the safety rules we went over to you? Worker: Si!
Company: Sign here.
It is criminal but there it is.
One example.
California has one of the worst death rates per OSHA. A lot of Construction companies hire illegals who don't understand safety regulations and they end up dying because of it. A company will ask a worker Do you understand all of the safety rules we went over to you? Worker: Si!
Company: Sign here.
It is criminal but there it is.
Posted by: Cheri at August 22, 2016 02:28 PM (oiNtH)
163
The quality factor of some of these puns is so low they don't resonate.
Posted by: Fritz at August 22, 2016 02:28 PM (2Mnv1)
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"When my Mormon momma had an Iranian family move into her complex, she made them a rainbow funfetti cake. Not sure it it was halal but the family accepted it anyway."
Unless you're using pork products in the cake, it should be fine. Maybe a lard cake would be bad.
Unless you're using pork products in the cake, it should be fine. Maybe a lard cake would be bad.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:29 PM (UBBWX)
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Funfetti?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 02:29 PM (mgbwf)
166
In Virginia, counselors and occupational therapists are licensed as health professions. Are you saying that citizens can't choose someone to talk to about their problems or someone to teach their autistic kids how to behave in public without state intervention?
Posted by: redbanzai
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No.. I never said that.. I was referring to the people who give you drugs and/or cut you open .. That fact those counselors are licensed as health professionals is exactly the kind of overreach I object to.
Posted by: redbanzai
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No.. I never said that.. I was referring to the people who give you drugs and/or cut you open .. That fact those counselors are licensed as health professionals is exactly the kind of overreach I object to.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 22, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)
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"When my Mormon momma had an Iranian family move into her complex, she made them a rainbow funfetti cake. Not sure it it was halal but the family accepted it anyway."
Also, there is rule that if you eat pork by accident, its okay. You can also eat it if you're starving and the other choice is death.
Also, there is rule that if you eat pork by accident, its okay. You can also eat it if you're starving and the other choice is death.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:29 PM (UBBWX)
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163
The quality factor of some of these puns is so low they don't resonate.
Posted by: Fritz at August 22, 2016 02:28 PM (2Mnv1)
We should probably have someone from the government regulate those puns to ensure quality.
The quality factor of some of these puns is so low they don't resonate.
Posted by: Fritz at August 22, 2016 02:28 PM (2Mnv1)
We should probably have someone from the government regulate those puns to ensure quality.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 22, 2016 02:29 PM (q3VFO)
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Revenant, two errors. "Unregulated" is not reducing/eliminating all kinds of prescriptive/unjustifiable protective regulation from insurance companies. This is a common error - it's rampant in this thread, and I don't understand why people constantly misstate things this way - but less regulated, even vastly less regulated, is not "unregulated".
Other error. You would see nothing but upside from eliminating needless regulation from most insurance companies. As with uninsured medical services, you would see a spectacular benefit to all of us - greatly reduced costs, probably even better service (thanks to competition).
Insurance is the simplest business in the universe, basically applied math and a profit margin stuck on top. Its power comes precisely from this simplicity - unhampered/misregulated insurance is probably one of the basic factors behind modern prosperity in the entire world (added to clean water, rule of law/enforcement of contracts).
I know some entities do a calculation of the cost of unneeded regulation to the economy. Even those rough calculations do mostly static analyses - they cannot estimate, really, the opportunity cost of the suffocating blanket of unjustifiable regulation. It is certainly gigantic - society-changing, in fact.
The whole country (and other industrialized countries) is like California, writ large: remarkably wealthy and developed, DESPITE the regulatory environment that has long exceeded that which promotes growth and now suffocates growth.
Other error. You would see nothing but upside from eliminating needless regulation from most insurance companies. As with uninsured medical services, you would see a spectacular benefit to all of us - greatly reduced costs, probably even better service (thanks to competition).
Insurance is the simplest business in the universe, basically applied math and a profit margin stuck on top. Its power comes precisely from this simplicity - unhampered/misregulated insurance is probably one of the basic factors behind modern prosperity in the entire world (added to clean water, rule of law/enforcement of contracts).
I know some entities do a calculation of the cost of unneeded regulation to the economy. Even those rough calculations do mostly static analyses - they cannot estimate, really, the opportunity cost of the suffocating blanket of unjustifiable regulation. It is certainly gigantic - society-changing, in fact.
The whole country (and other industrialized countries) is like California, writ large: remarkably wealthy and developed, DESPITE the regulatory environment that has long exceeded that which promotes growth and now suffocates growth.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (QDnY+)
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AC/DC regrets they never wrote the song "Thunderfucked".
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (VdICR)
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I'll tell you a regulatory scheme that needs to die.
The three tier system.
Big players like InBev can basically buy their way via incentives to distributors and lock out smaller breweries from having access to the market.
The three tier system.
Big players like InBev can basically buy their way via incentives to distributors and lock out smaller breweries from having access to the market.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (eytER)
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Funfetti is definitely not halal. The "fun" part is where the problem is.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (8ZskC)
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I've been waiting for years for my industry... IT.. to get regulated...
Thankfully Silicone Valley has a LOT of Lobbyist clout in DC...
Thankfully Silicone Valley has a LOT of Lobbyist clout in DC...
Posted by: Don Q. at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (qf6WZ)
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SH
One example.
California has one of the worst death rates per OSHA. A lot of Construction companies hire illegals who don't understand safety regulations and they end up dying because of it. A company will ask a worker Do you understand all of the safety rules we went over to you? Worker: Si!
Company: Sign here.
It is criminal but there it is.
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No offense, but I don't think that means the company or the owner wants someone to die. I'm not even sure it means they are indifferent to such person's safety.
One example.
California has one of the worst death rates per OSHA. A lot of Construction companies hire illegals who don't understand safety regulations and they end up dying because of it. A company will ask a worker Do you understand all of the safety rules we went over to you? Worker: Si!
Company: Sign here.
It is criminal but there it is.
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No offense, but I don't think that means the company or the owner wants someone to die. I'm not even sure it means they are indifferent to such person's safety.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (gmeXX)
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"with today's social media those companies would have been driven out of business by the consumer in about one week."
Horse puckey.
In reality, "with today's social media", which are utterly compromised and corrupt and bought off, those companies would, instead of being "driven out of business", simply pay Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg to ensure that public complaints about unsanitary food were discreetly muted.
Just as happens "with today's social media" when there are news items unfavorable to Democratic candidates and causes.
There's an argument to be made against intrusive regulation, even in good causes, but the idea that "social media" can be a reliable watchdog is a total joke and nonstarter.
Horse puckey.
In reality, "with today's social media", which are utterly compromised and corrupt and bought off, those companies would, instead of being "driven out of business", simply pay Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg to ensure that public complaints about unsanitary food were discreetly muted.
Just as happens "with today's social media" when there are news items unfavorable to Democratic candidates and causes.
There's an argument to be made against intrusive regulation, even in good causes, but the idea that "social media" can be a reliable watchdog is a total joke and nonstarter.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)
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. Guys who sell annuities to 99 year olds, etc.
Posted by: Harun
heh. My father told me the story of watching his boss (bank president) screaming at his chief loan officer, because one of his salesmen sold a 30 year mortgage to an 85 year old.
Just when things started to die down, my father helpfully noted that it would be discrimination to refuse to sell to them.
Posted by: Harun
heh. My father told me the story of watching his boss (bank president) screaming at his chief loan officer, because one of his salesmen sold a 30 year mortgage to an 85 year old.
Just when things started to die down, my father helpfully noted that it would be discrimination to refuse to sell to them.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (326rv)
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In many states you need to have a certification or be a Veterinarian to do Horse Massage.
There was a story a while ago about some lady having trouble with one of the states over this and losing her part time gig.
http://www.iaamb.org/reference/state-laws-2013.html
There was a story a while ago about some lady having trouble with one of the states over this and losing her part time gig.
http://www.iaamb.org/reference/state-laws-2013.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (Mxs5H)
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"A company will ask a worker Do you understand all of the safety rules we went over to you? Worker: Si!
Company: Sign here.
It is criminal but there it is."
This can happen even if the work is legal and speaks English.
Sometimes they even know the safety rules but choose to ignore them.
Company: Sign here.
It is criminal but there it is."
This can happen even if the work is legal and speaks English.
Sometimes they even know the safety rules but choose to ignore them.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (UBBWX)
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The East Coast is the worst when it comes to this sort of regulation, there's pockets where its basically illegal to replace something pretty routine like a water heater or dishwasher unless you have a binder full of permits and licenses, and the people that work in these industries LOVE it and only want to pile it on more.
Posted by: Maritime at August 22, 2016 02:32 PM (dhZog)
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I enjoy the fact that to unscrew my gas dryer and then to screw the new tube in I'm supposed to pay a subcontractor $350.
Yeah, we recently replaced our gas dryer and installation and permits cost more than the actual dryer (this is in Maryland). The appliance guy at Home Depot said it was a law pushed by Dems to hurt big-box stores and drum up more business for unions.
Yeah, we recently replaced our gas dryer and installation and permits cost more than the actual dryer (this is in Maryland). The appliance guy at Home Depot said it was a law pushed by Dems to hurt big-box stores and drum up more business for unions.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 22, 2016 02:33 PM (KUTP5)
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In many states you need to have a certification or be a Veterinarian to do Horse Massage.
Mendoza don't need no stinkin license!
Mendoza don't need no stinkin license!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:33 PM (UC5ui)
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In many states you need to have a certification or be a Veterinarian to do Horse Massage.
There was a story a while ago about some lady having trouble with one of the states over this and losing her part time gig.
http://www.iaamb.org/reference/state-laws-2013.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw
In Tijuana, horse massage come with happy ending.
There was a story a while ago about some lady having trouble with one of the states over this and losing her part time gig.
http://www.iaamb.org/reference/state-laws-2013.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw
In Tijuana, horse massage come with happy ending.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 02:34 PM (xhqXI)
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heh. My father told me the story of watching his boss (bank president) screaming at his chief loan officer, because one of his salesmen sold a 30 year mortgage to an 85 year old
There is nothing wrong with that. If I'm 80 years old and want to reduce my mortgage payment by refinancing to a new 30-year, it makes perfect sense. The bank knows the estate will pay off the loan when I'm dead.
There is nothing wrong with that. If I'm 80 years old and want to reduce my mortgage payment by refinancing to a new 30-year, it makes perfect sense. The bank knows the estate will pay off the loan when I'm dead.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:34 PM (8ZskC)
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Is prostitution in NV regulated in its applicable jurisdictions? If it includes AIDS screening, I would presume that to be a good thing.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 22, 2016 02:34 PM (0sLvz)
185
I had to get a license and renew it every two years with 30 hours of continuing education. I became exempt this year after twenty years. I took the same stupid classes every year. Occasionally some new information was offered.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 22, 2016 02:35 PM (NqZ29)
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180 I enjoy the fact that to unscrew my gas dryer and then to screw the new tube in I'm supposed to pay a subcontractor $350.
Yeah, we recently replaced our gas dryer and installation and permits cost more than the actual dryer (this is in Maryland). The appliance guy at Home Depot said it was a law pushed by Dems to hurt big-box stores
and drum up more business for unions.
Posted by: Ian S.
Fvck the unions.
Yeah, we recently replaced our gas dryer and installation and permits cost more than the actual dryer (this is in Maryland). The appliance guy at Home Depot said it was a law pushed by Dems to hurt big-box stores
and drum up more business for unions.
Posted by: Ian S.
Fvck the unions.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (UC5ui)
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Is prostitution in NV regulated in its applicable jurisdictions? If it includes AIDS screening, I would presume that to be a good thing.
In CA porn actors are supposed to wear safety goggles for the money shots. Now that's funny.
In CA porn actors are supposed to wear safety goggles for the money shots. Now that's funny.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (8ZskC)
188
Here's a classic Adam Carolla rant on SoCal building codes:
https://youtu.be/w-ZdY9BLbgQ
https://youtu.be/w-ZdY9BLbgQ
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (xhqXI)
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OT. Great short/trailer for a movie about the hazards of being married to a werewolf:
http://tinyurl.com/I-See-A-Bad-Moon-Rising
Yes, I did just type that.
ProTip: Do NOT fuck the werewolf's wife.
http://tinyurl.com/I-See-A-Bad-Moon-Rising
Yes, I did just type that.
ProTip: Do NOT fuck the werewolf's wife.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (CS7jF)
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If it can plausibly kill or injure you and/or others, by all means regulate it; otherwise, have a good reason why it should be regulated.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (RD7QR)
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There is nothing wrong with that. If I'm 80 years old and want to reduce my mortgage payment by refinancing to a new 30-year, it makes perfect sense.
The bank knows the estate will pay off the loan when I'm dead.
Or not. LOL.
The bank knows the estate will pay off the loan when I'm dead.
Or not. LOL.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (UC5ui)
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>>> Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at August 22, 2016 02:24 PM (dEQP3)
Oh, you have been missed Alex! May the karma gods smile upon you at last for being a dutiful daughter plus suffering the penance that is Delta customer service. I still recall the way my flights were handled by them during one of the Snowmageddons, absolute horror.
*Shoves all the alcohol through USB port*
Oh, you have been missed Alex! May the karma gods smile upon you at last for being a dutiful daughter plus suffering the penance that is Delta customer service. I still recall the way my flights were handled by them during one of the Snowmageddons, absolute horror.
*Shoves all the alcohol through USB port*
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (hvf9s)
193
Regulation is good for everything, with the obvious exception of Abortion Clinics.
Posted by: Barky et al at August 22, 2016 02:37 PM (kfcYC)
194
Probably the most egregious are the HVAC federal laws, and SURPRISE! techs in that industry seem the most shady.
If "civilians" could buy refrigerants off the shelf, I could easily see half of companies in the AC business going under.
So then you have the worst of both worlds where people in the industry are basically begging the EPA to pass more and more regulations with no one to stand up for consumers.
If "civilians" could buy refrigerants off the shelf, I could easily see half of companies in the AC business going under.
So then you have the worst of both worlds where people in the industry are basically begging the EPA to pass more and more regulations with no one to stand up for consumers.
Posted by: Maritime at August 22, 2016 02:37 PM (dhZog)
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"I had to get a license and renew it every two years with 30 hours of continuing education. I became exempt this year after twenty years. I took the same stupid classes every year. Occasionally some new information was offered."
to be a prostitute in NV??!?!?!??!!?
What new information was added?
to be a prostitute in NV??!?!?!??!!?
What new information was added?
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:37 PM (UBBWX)
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SoCal building codes
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I think the sole purpose of building codes now is to allow appraisal districts a reason to increase the value of your improvement since they know when you made improvements.
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I think the sole purpose of building codes now is to allow appraisal districts a reason to increase the value of your improvement since they know when you made improvements.
Posted by: SH at August 22, 2016 02:37 PM (gmeXX)
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And of course...it depends who's doing the regulating.
The current Left-reclining (kinda past a lean now) bureaucracy will give indulgences to the faithful while calling forth an inquisition on the heretics. Thus Chipotle gets a pass and the oil companies have lawyers permanently wedged in their colons.
As for stockholders...well, we kinda know what sorta people the major stockholders are these days, don't we?
So yeah. Stop expecting "the market" to solve our problems. It's made up of people...and you know what that means.
The current Left-reclining (kinda past a lean now) bureaucracy will give indulgences to the faithful while calling forth an inquisition on the heretics. Thus Chipotle gets a pass and the oil companies have lawyers permanently wedged in their colons.
As for stockholders...well, we kinda know what sorta people the major stockholders are these days, don't we?
So yeah. Stop expecting "the market" to solve our problems. It's made up of people...and you know what that means.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:37 PM (9krrF)
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189 OT. Great short/trailer for a movie about the hazards of being married to a werewolf:
http://tinyurl.com/I-See-A-Bad-Moon-Rising
Yes, I did just type that.
ProTip: Do NOT fuck the werewolf's wife.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (CS7jF)
Which is why they have come to Nevada.
http://tinyurl.com/I-See-A-Bad-Moon-Rising
Yes, I did just type that.
ProTip: Do NOT fuck the werewolf's wife.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 22, 2016 02:36 PM (CS7jF)
Which is why they have come to Nevada.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:37 PM (RD7QR)
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. I took the same stupid classes every year
Exactly! All those classes do is line the pocket of the people giving them, and in the case of Dentist, it is often people tied into the ADA. It's one huge scam
Exactly! All those classes do is line the pocket of the people giving them, and in the case of Dentist, it is often people tied into the ADA. It's one huge scam
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (zp+j1)
200
Shit. That made no sense whatsoever.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (RD7QR)
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The bank knows the estate will pay off the loan when I'm dead.
Or not. LOL.
You are obviously unaware of the firepower of a fully-operational first trust deed.
Or not. LOL.
You are obviously unaware of the firepower of a fully-operational first trust deed.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (8ZskC)
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Barky et al wins @193
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (x4zgf)
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"I had to get a license and renew it every two years with 30 hours of continuing education. I became exempt this year after twenty years. I took the same stupid classes every year. Occasionally some new information was offered."
to be a prostitute in NV??!?!?!??!!?
What new information was added?
Butt stuff.
to be a prostitute in NV??!?!?!??!!?
What new information was added?
Butt stuff.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (UC5ui)
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*Shoves all the alcohol through USB port*
Posted by: LizLem
...hey, where did my mead stockpile disappear to...
Posted by: LizLem
...hey, where did my mead stockpile disappear to...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (9krrF)
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Crap, we should have thought of that.
Posted by: Chipolte at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (hvf9s)
Organic, non-GMO, the media had your ass covered.
Plus, it was a favorite of Obama!!!!
Posted by: Chipolte at August 22, 2016 01:50 PM (hvf9s)
Organic, non-GMO, the media had your ass covered.
Plus, it was a favorite of Obama!!!!
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac in the OBX at August 22, 2016 02:39 PM (kTZOh)
206
So sometimes it's a funny world. I do some worker's compensation stuff. Now that is a completely government field. Lot's of agency law is.
Anyway, the Labor Commission had decided (heck, had decided clear back in the 1930s) that they had the power to decide how much money the lawyer could make for representing the injured worker. Insurance company lawyers could bill as much as they wanted, but the poor schlub representing the guy who's hand got chopped off at work was stuck.
Finally, the Supreme Court said "no dice, Our branch of government regulates attorneys, not your branch."
Not sure how I really feel about that, to be honest. The State legislature and governor were told to take a flying leap, and only the judges can rule over the attorneys. And yet... they do rule with a rather harsh hand. The State professional licensing board had tried to take over attorney licensing back in the 80s and got slapped down pretty hard. It's a funny world to see differing government entities fighting it out.
Anyway, the Labor Commission had decided (heck, had decided clear back in the 1930s) that they had the power to decide how much money the lawyer could make for representing the injured worker. Insurance company lawyers could bill as much as they wanted, but the poor schlub representing the guy who's hand got chopped off at work was stuck.
Finally, the Supreme Court said "no dice, Our branch of government regulates attorneys, not your branch."
Not sure how I really feel about that, to be honest. The State legislature and governor were told to take a flying leap, and only the judges can rule over the attorneys. And yet... they do rule with a rather harsh hand. The State professional licensing board had tried to take over attorney licensing back in the 80s and got slapped down pretty hard. It's a funny world to see differing government entities fighting it out.
Posted by: Vanceone at August 22, 2016 02:39 PM (IQzhs)
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"And the same for Houston as well as fucking up traffic"
and closing businesses on Main St.! cut 8 lanes to 2 to fit a train that nobody rides to jack up the traffic that used to run up and down it. Now people avoid Main St. because of that damn train.
and closing businesses on Main St.! cut 8 lanes to 2 to fit a train that nobody rides to jack up the traffic that used to run up and down it. Now people avoid Main St. because of that damn train.
Posted by: DanMan at August 22, 2016 02:39 PM (RusNE)
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SH - no offense taken.
I was talking about unscrupulous actions by some construction companies. When you knowingly hire an illegal outside of Home Depot who speaks no English and you put him in a job without any knowledge of safety rules yet you have him sign that he does - that is negligence at the very least. Does the owner want this guy to die? No. But they have not done their due diligence for the sake of saving overhead costs.
Some of these accidents are horrendous.....falling into a tuna steamer, getting dragged into a wood chipper, electrical saw to the face, falling into a saw mill, etc. These were all preventable and these companies know that there are plenty more cheap labor employees that can replace them.
I was talking about unscrupulous actions by some construction companies. When you knowingly hire an illegal outside of Home Depot who speaks no English and you put him in a job without any knowledge of safety rules yet you have him sign that he does - that is negligence at the very least. Does the owner want this guy to die? No. But they have not done their due diligence for the sake of saving overhead costs.
Some of these accidents are horrendous.....falling into a tuna steamer, getting dragged into a wood chipper, electrical saw to the face, falling into a saw mill, etc. These were all preventable and these companies know that there are plenty more cheap labor employees that can replace them.
Posted by: Cheri at August 22, 2016 02:39 PM (oiNtH)
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>>> ...hey, where did my mead stockpile disappear to...Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (9krrF)
A good cause, hah!
A good cause, hah!
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:39 PM (hvf9s)
210
Some of these accidents are horrendous.....falling into a tuna steamer,
God, I still have nightmares about that.
God, I still have nightmares about that.
Posted by: Huma Abedin Rodham Edmund Wiener Clinton at August 22, 2016 02:41 PM (8ZskC)
211
AC/DC regrets they never wrote the song "Thunderfucked".
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM
Real funny, pal.
*eyeballs nic*
The bourbon won't help. Trust me on this....
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM
Real funny, pal.
*eyeballs nic*
The bourbon won't help. Trust me on this....
Posted by: The Chicken at August 22, 2016 02:41 PM (bzd8I)
212
Shouldn't there be some regulation against cross-eyed boobies? They are shocking when unleashed.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 22, 2016 02:41 PM (oDCMR)
213
By the way, you may want to re-think buying any Bumble Bee tuna. Just saying.
Posted by: Cheri at August 22, 2016 02:41 PM (oiNtH)
214
California has one of the worst death rates per OSHA. A lot of Construction companies hire illegals who don't understand safety regulations and they end up dying because of it. A company will ask a worker Do you understand all of the safety rules we went over to you? Worker: Si!
________________
OSHA is a joke. Every case I've worked where OSHA was doing "surprise" inspections of workplaces, the supervisors were always tipped off at least a week in advance of the upcoming "surprise" inspection -- so they could hide all the violations and coach the workers how to behave when the inspector was present.
________________
OSHA is a joke. Every case I've worked where OSHA was doing "surprise" inspections of workplaces, the supervisors were always tipped off at least a week in advance of the upcoming "surprise" inspection -- so they could hide all the violations and coach the workers how to behave when the inspector was present.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 22, 2016 02:42 PM (NnYnv)
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177 In many states you need to have a certification or be a Veterinarian to do Horse Massage.
There was a story a while ago about some lady having trouble with one of the states over this and losing her part time gig.
http://www.iaamb.org/reference/state-laws-2013.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (Mxs5H)
Totally OT, but check this out.
http://equivibe.com/gallery/
My partner has a non-working one sitting in the shop right now that one of his neighbors was tossing out. He picked it up for nothing, and when we have time we're going to refurb it so he can use it for his horses.
And of course, being a Moron, I was walking around the shop for a week yelling "ANYONE WANNA BUY A USED HORSE VIBRATOR????"
177 In many states you need to have a certification or be a Veterinarian to do Horse Massage.
There was a story a while ago about some lady having trouble with one of the states over this and losing her part time gig.
http://www.iaamb.org/reference/state-laws-2013.html
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 22, 2016 02:31 PM (Mxs5H)
Totally OT, but check this out.
http://equivibe.com/gallery/
My partner has a non-working one sitting in the shop right now that one of his neighbors was tossing out. He picked it up for nothing, and when we have time we're going to refurb it so he can use it for his horses.
And of course, being a Moron, I was walking around the shop for a week yelling "ANYONE WANNA BUY A USED HORSE VIBRATOR????"
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 22, 2016 02:42 PM (xxSK3)
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Some of these accidents are horrendous.....falling into a tuna steamer,
God, I still have nightmares about that.
Posted by: Huma Abedin Rodham Edmund Wiener Clinton
Dude!
Wrong sock.
God, I still have nightmares about that.
Posted by: Huma Abedin Rodham Edmund Wiener Clinton
Dude!
Wrong sock.
Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at August 22, 2016 02:43 PM (mgbwf)
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Nood cheating beotches!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 22, 2016 02:43 PM (UC5ui)
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Jeb Bush assured me that illegal aliens falling into tuna steamers and catching saws with their faces are all acts of love.
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at August 22, 2016 02:43 PM (x4zgf)
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I took the same stupid classes every year
Exactly! All those classes do is line the pocket of the people
giving them, and in the case of Dentist, it is often people tied into
the ADA. It's one huge scam
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (zp+j1)
Yes, there really is no positive correlation between required hours of continuing education and competent practice... yet regulatory boards love CE. If one did not know better, one would assume that state boards (that are controlled by practitioners of the board profession) are making it more difficult for other people to compete against them by raising the price of competition... hmmmm
Exactly! All those classes do is line the pocket of the people
giving them, and in the case of Dentist, it is often people tied into
the ADA. It's one huge scam
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 22, 2016 02:38 PM (zp+j1)
Yes, there really is no positive correlation between required hours of continuing education and competent practice... yet regulatory boards love CE. If one did not know better, one would assume that state boards (that are controlled by practitioners of the board profession) are making it more difficult for other people to compete against them by raising the price of competition... hmmmm
Posted by: redbanzai at August 22, 2016 02:46 PM (3JA/M)
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"I think the sole purpose of building codes now is to allow appraisal districts a reason to increase the value of your improvement since they know when you made improvements."
California has aircraft that fly over areas and take pictures to see who is doing unpermitted work.
No, I am NOT joking.
California has aircraft that fly over areas and take pictures to see who is doing unpermitted work.
No, I am NOT joking.
Posted by: Harun at August 22, 2016 02:47 PM (UBBWX)
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Revenant, two errors. "Unregulated" is not reducing/eliminating all
kinds of prescriptive/unjustifiable protective regulation from insurance
companies. This is a common error - it's rampant in this thread, and I
don't understand why people constantly misstate things this way - but
less regulated, even vastly less regulated, is not "unregulated".
Other error. You would see nothing but upside from eliminating
needless regulation from most insurance companies. As with uninsured
medical services, you would see a spectacular benefit to all of us -
greatly reduced costs, probably even better service (thanks to
competition).
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (QDnY+)
--
A debate can certainly be had over what regulations are "needed" and which ones are not. All of the regulations on the books are considered to be "needed" by the regulators (and it seems that many of the big members of the industry back these regs too, because they stifle competition from smaller competitors).
And that doesn't even get to the fact that having the regs on the books isn't the only thing that drives up costs. Many state insurance departments seem to purposely write and maintain obscure regs, make them purposely difficult to understand, and even employ things like "desk drawer" rules (essentially unpublished regulations that represent department policy). Insurance departments that are supposed to approve rate increases that are justified with actuarial data frequently do not do so (or approve only a much smaller increase) due to political concerns, and damn the math. Carriers are loath to challenge the regulators, because they will be regulated by the same people for decades to come, no matter the merits of the challenge. The only way to stop that would be to get rid of the enforcement and rate approval systems.
Ideologically, I would support de-regulation and, in some instances,
getting rid of it completely. Most people, I think, would not be happy
with these results. Have a life insurer go bankrupt without the State
Guarantee Fund, or have a twisting/churning/replacement scandal and all
of the regs would come right back. Have an insurer raise rates by 90% (justified by actuarial data, of course), without a rate review process and the public would probably go nuts. Depending on the policy and the age of the policyholder, the fact that another company made the correct actuarial assumptions in their rate-making 30 years ago may prove to be a cold comfort.
The situation is a complex one -- which is one of the reasons why the regs are such a mess in the first place.
kinds of prescriptive/unjustifiable protective regulation from insurance
companies. This is a common error - it's rampant in this thread, and I
don't understand why people constantly misstate things this way - but
less regulated, even vastly less regulated, is not "unregulated".
Other error. You would see nothing but upside from eliminating
needless regulation from most insurance companies. As with uninsured
medical services, you would see a spectacular benefit to all of us -
greatly reduced costs, probably even better service (thanks to
competition).
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 02:30 PM (QDnY+)
--
A debate can certainly be had over what regulations are "needed" and which ones are not. All of the regulations on the books are considered to be "needed" by the regulators (and it seems that many of the big members of the industry back these regs too, because they stifle competition from smaller competitors).
And that doesn't even get to the fact that having the regs on the books isn't the only thing that drives up costs. Many state insurance departments seem to purposely write and maintain obscure regs, make them purposely difficult to understand, and even employ things like "desk drawer" rules (essentially unpublished regulations that represent department policy). Insurance departments that are supposed to approve rate increases that are justified with actuarial data frequently do not do so (or approve only a much smaller increase) due to political concerns, and damn the math. Carriers are loath to challenge the regulators, because they will be regulated by the same people for decades to come, no matter the merits of the challenge. The only way to stop that would be to get rid of the enforcement and rate approval systems.
Ideologically, I would support de-regulation and, in some instances,
getting rid of it completely. Most people, I think, would not be happy
with these results. Have a life insurer go bankrupt without the State
Guarantee Fund, or have a twisting/churning/replacement scandal and all
of the regs would come right back. Have an insurer raise rates by 90% (justified by actuarial data, of course), without a rate review process and the public would probably go nuts. Depending on the policy and the age of the policyholder, the fact that another company made the correct actuarial assumptions in their rate-making 30 years ago may prove to be a cold comfort.
The situation is a complex one -- which is one of the reasons why the regs are such a mess in the first place.
Posted by: Revenant at August 22, 2016 02:48 PM (3DSAh)
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75 Laws; debated, given public hearing, and voted on. Not regulations pushed through by unelected career bureaucrats.
That's a most cromulent point.
Are you by any chance related to alex(delegation doctrine motherfucker do you speak it)the chick?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 02:04 PM (mgbwf)
Related? Not at all. We've hung out at Meetups before. I enjoyed/embarrassed myself at those times. I consider us at least friendly, perhaps actually friends, but I wouldn't presume to claim so lofty an accolade as that (though upon her declaration of such, I'd gleefully accept and agree).
I can't imagine this is all that rare of an ideological bone to pick on the right-o-sphere.
That's a most cromulent point.
Are you by any chance related to alex(delegation doctrine motherfucker do you speak it)the chick?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 22, 2016 02:04 PM (mgbwf)
Related? Not at all. We've hung out at Meetups before. I enjoyed/embarrassed myself at those times. I consider us at least friendly, perhaps actually friends, but I wouldn't presume to claim so lofty an accolade as that (though upon her declaration of such, I'd gleefully accept and agree).
I can't imagine this is all that rare of an ideological bone to pick on the right-o-sphere.
Posted by: shillelagh at August 22, 2016 02:50 PM (L3vVL)
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"with today's social media those companies would have been driven out of business by the consumer in about one week."
Horse puckey.
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Double horse puckey.
Everybody knows if it is not true you cannot put it on the internet.
Horse puckey.
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Double horse puckey.
Everybody knows if it is not true you cannot put it on the internet.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 22, 2016 02:51 PM (P/kVC)
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There are several different kinds of regulation everyone is discussing, and they're so different (and their pathologies are so different), it's really a hopelessly incoherent discussion.
Just to pick one (of the sort I think CBD had in mind), the disastrous misregulation of manufacturing, it's one with direct relevance to this season's debate about trade policy.
Tragically, neither is going to happen, but it would be great if all the current trade "deals" (good or "bad") were left in place for the moment, while pernicious unjustifiable regulation were slashed (just back to the 1990 level, for purposes of discussion). At both the state and federal levels.
Manufacturing (esp. small and specialty) would rebound spectacularly. A huge part of the outflow of small manufacturing to Mexico and elsewhere has not been wage-based, or anything related to trade "deals". It's been driven by ruinous, ridiculous "environmental" and other regulation (it's amazing how frequently I encounter this situation, anecdotally and in real life).
And just for once, please no absurd straw men about the only alternative to today's disastrous over-regulation is "1820s English sweat shops with child labor". That's why I set 1990 as the benchmark - already all the regulation that could be reasonably desired, in most cases.
Seems paradoxical that so many who are (mostly wrongly) fixated on trade deals as a source of job loss seem unconcerned by freedom-crushing, job-destroying over-regulation.
As a retail political matter, I'd bet many quatloos that Trump could get much broader mileage out of a justified assault on insane and ruinous over-regulation (obviously focused on the federal level in this case) than just discussing trade policy.
The number of voters who have at least obnoxiously memorable run-ins with stupid regulation (they can conflate local/state and federal, as is happening so much in this thread, doesn't change the bottom line) vastly exceeds those who believe trade deals are the most important issue.
Just to pick one (of the sort I think CBD had in mind), the disastrous misregulation of manufacturing, it's one with direct relevance to this season's debate about trade policy.
Tragically, neither is going to happen, but it would be great if all the current trade "deals" (good or "bad") were left in place for the moment, while pernicious unjustifiable regulation were slashed (just back to the 1990 level, for purposes of discussion). At both the state and federal levels.
Manufacturing (esp. small and specialty) would rebound spectacularly. A huge part of the outflow of small manufacturing to Mexico and elsewhere has not been wage-based, or anything related to trade "deals". It's been driven by ruinous, ridiculous "environmental" and other regulation (it's amazing how frequently I encounter this situation, anecdotally and in real life).
And just for once, please no absurd straw men about the only alternative to today's disastrous over-regulation is "1820s English sweat shops with child labor". That's why I set 1990 as the benchmark - already all the regulation that could be reasonably desired, in most cases.
Seems paradoxical that so many who are (mostly wrongly) fixated on trade deals as a source of job loss seem unconcerned by freedom-crushing, job-destroying over-regulation.
As a retail political matter, I'd bet many quatloos that Trump could get much broader mileage out of a justified assault on insane and ruinous over-regulation (obviously focused on the federal level in this case) than just discussing trade policy.
The number of voters who have at least obnoxiously memorable run-ins with stupid regulation (they can conflate local/state and federal, as is happening so much in this thread, doesn't change the bottom line) vastly exceeds those who believe trade deals are the most important issue.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 02:52 PM (QDnY+)
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I used to do commercial real estate and the license is the same for residential.
I want to keep the license, but every 2 years is requires 30 hours of class time, even if you're not active.
If you don't do the renewal after a certain period, you lose your license and then have to go through the entire process all over again with something like 120 class hours plus two tests. It's a large commitment.
But this is written by the Real Estate trade groups as they want to have as few brokers as possible.
I want to keep the license, but every 2 years is requires 30 hours of class time, even if you're not active.
If you don't do the renewal after a certain period, you lose your license and then have to go through the entire process all over again with something like 120 class hours plus two tests. It's a large commitment.
But this is written by the Real Estate trade groups as they want to have as few brokers as possible.
Posted by: Maritime at August 22, 2016 02:52 PM (dhZog)
226
Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Doctors.
Doctors.
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 22, 2016 02:58 PM (mXv3y)
227
Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Doctors.
Posted by: JeffreyL
Can't tell if this is sarcasm, but all the regulation is a big reason why healthcare is now incredibly unaffordable.
Doctors.
Posted by: JeffreyL
Can't tell if this is sarcasm, but all the regulation is a big reason why healthcare is now incredibly unaffordable.
Posted by: Maritime at August 22, 2016 03:02 PM (dhZog)
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Nope, Revenant, actually you mostly reinforce my case.
Enforcement is nothing more than bare-bones fraud prevention, no different than home contractors or auto mechanics or landscapers who don't deliver on something that's paid for. Nothing special about insurance.
And price approval is completely unjustified. It is literally replacing a market with an administrative structure. That's the point. It produces the cost increases we see in "regulated" sectors.
And my health insurance rates went up 300% overnight two years ago - and I'm not alone - and yet ...... I see no evidence other than my uninsured situation that it even happened, much less a public outcry (different, troubling issue, but relevant here).
Without barriers to entry, in today's world, there is negligible chance that any "gouging" would be sustainable. Insurance is the most flexible, powerful and least appreciated part of the modern financial economy.
CA's destroyed private health insurance market would be healthy and cheap if the barriers to entry (that term hardly suffices any more - it's an entirely regulated industry, with of course lots of pernicious captured-regulation as you note) were removed.
The actual cost of health insurance for me, actuarial cost plus reserve plus profit margin, would probable be 10% of what is now. If that.
THAT is the scale of wealth-destruction, misallocation of capital, and reduction in freedom we are talking about.
Not a single real or hypothetical horror story has any relation to the misregulation responsible for this disaster. But I give up. The country didn't get where it is because people think rigorously or carefully (at least for decades now), and it apparently will not start doing so now.
Enforcement is nothing more than bare-bones fraud prevention, no different than home contractors or auto mechanics or landscapers who don't deliver on something that's paid for. Nothing special about insurance.
And price approval is completely unjustified. It is literally replacing a market with an administrative structure. That's the point. It produces the cost increases we see in "regulated" sectors.
And my health insurance rates went up 300% overnight two years ago - and I'm not alone - and yet ...... I see no evidence other than my uninsured situation that it even happened, much less a public outcry (different, troubling issue, but relevant here).
Without barriers to entry, in today's world, there is negligible chance that any "gouging" would be sustainable. Insurance is the most flexible, powerful and least appreciated part of the modern financial economy.
CA's destroyed private health insurance market would be healthy and cheap if the barriers to entry (that term hardly suffices any more - it's an entirely regulated industry, with of course lots of pernicious captured-regulation as you note) were removed.
The actual cost of health insurance for me, actuarial cost plus reserve plus profit margin, would probable be 10% of what is now. If that.
THAT is the scale of wealth-destruction, misallocation of capital, and reduction in freedom we are talking about.
Not a single real or hypothetical horror story has any relation to the misregulation responsible for this disaster. But I give up. The country didn't get where it is because people think rigorously or carefully (at least for decades now), and it apparently will not start doing so now.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 22, 2016 03:02 PM (QDnY+)
229
As long as there are hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations, we cannot be free. It's great for lawyers though.
Posted by: IanDeal at August 22, 2016 03:24 PM (teGBX)
230
First, all these whiners on this thread need to be regulated. Most are committing micro or macro aggressions.
Second, religion doesn't need regulation, except the sorta reverse regulation, where they are only fined/lost tax status, if they dare talk politics (unless they are black backing the D)
Third ... thank God the Saudis and Russians have access through the Hillary Foundation, to make the world a better place. The Clinton Foundation is the ultimate regulator ... $10M in = outcome out.
Get used to it plebs ... the new law and order, a new peaceful world order.
Pay the Clinton = Obeying the regulation
War = Peace
Complaining = Gulag
is that so hard?
Second, religion doesn't need regulation, except the sorta reverse regulation, where they are only fined/lost tax status, if they dare talk politics (unless they are black backing the D)
Third ... thank God the Saudis and Russians have access through the Hillary Foundation, to make the world a better place. The Clinton Foundation is the ultimate regulator ... $10M in = outcome out.
Get used to it plebs ... the new law and order, a new peaceful world order.
Pay the Clinton = Obeying the regulation
War = Peace
Complaining = Gulag
is that so hard?
Posted by: illiniwek at August 22, 2016 03:25 PM (l6e0e)
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The illegal / black drug market cries out for government regulation. If only the federal government would treat that market like they treated healthcare!
Posted by: RedneckJohnGalt at August 22, 2016 03:32 PM (oZh5x)
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57 Well, I do know, back in the day the aforementioned EMTs used to be "ambulance drivers," and the ambulance companies were private enterprises.
Many a folk died because the vehicle that showed up (if/when it showed up) wasn't equipped for life-saving capabilities, often they were nothing more than transporters.
Call it what you will, but I'd say we're better off with a standard for what happens when you call with a medical emergency.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (TOk1P)
Back when there wasn't much if any portable lifesaving equipment?
Today the EMT certification is more or less a ticket to a government job that is protected by a union.
Private ambulance companies would probably have quicker response times and better equipment than the local government departments that always bleg for more funding for more firefighters and EMTs while just using that money to build grandiose firehouses that have all the latest "green" technologies.
Many a folk died because the vehicle that showed up (if/when it showed up) wasn't equipped for life-saving capabilities, often they were nothing more than transporters.
Call it what you will, but I'd say we're better off with a standard for what happens when you call with a medical emergency.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 22, 2016 02:00 PM (TOk1P)
Back when there wasn't much if any portable lifesaving equipment?
Today the EMT certification is more or less a ticket to a government job that is protected by a union.
Private ambulance companies would probably have quicker response times and better equipment than the local government departments that always bleg for more funding for more firefighters and EMTs while just using that money to build grandiose firehouses that have all the latest "green" technologies.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac in the OBX at August 22, 2016 03:49 PM (kTZOh)
233
Regulating psychotherapists is not incorrect.
In California, in order to be licensed as a therapist, you need to accumulate and demonstrate 3,000 hours of one-on-one client practice supervised by an already licensed therapist. And that number is picked for a reason; it's the approximate amount of experience you need in order to avoid truly horrible mistakes.
In California, in order to be licensed as a therapist, you need to accumulate and demonstrate 3,000 hours of one-on-one client practice supervised by an already licensed therapist. And that number is picked for a reason; it's the approximate amount of experience you need in order to avoid truly horrible mistakes.
Posted by: grayishpanther at August 22, 2016 03:49 PM (ty9Ew)
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Real estate transactions need regulation as well as surveyors and engineers. Engineers probably less so than surveyors but both are producing legal documents. If you are in an industry where you will be held legally liable for putting your name on something then there needs to be some regulation.
Posted by: BearGrylls at August 22, 2016 03:51 PM (GMQML)
235
227 Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Doctors.
Posted by: JeffreyL
Can't tell if this is sarcasm, but all the regulation is a big reason why healthcare is now incredibly unaffordable.
Posted by: Maritime at August 22, 2016 03:02 PM (dhZog)
If a group of eye surgeons wants to open up an eye surgery clinic, they have to get approval from the state. Not approval over the cleanliness or other things that would make the surgery "safer", no, they have to get approval to make sure that there are not "too many surgical beds in the area" because competition and choice make for much worse healthcare or something according to bureaucrats.
Doctors.
Posted by: JeffreyL
Can't tell if this is sarcasm, but all the regulation is a big reason why healthcare is now incredibly unaffordable.
Posted by: Maritime at August 22, 2016 03:02 PM (dhZog)
If a group of eye surgeons wants to open up an eye surgery clinic, they have to get approval from the state. Not approval over the cleanliness or other things that would make the surgery "safer", no, they have to get approval to make sure that there are not "too many surgical beds in the area" because competition and choice make for much worse healthcare or something according to bureaucrats.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac in the OBX at August 22, 2016 03:58 PM (kTZOh)
236
Here's a little test. What regulated industries or products are better because of regulation?
Wrong question.
It is not our neighbors or even our local community who are providing our goods and services. We don't know who they are. We have no reason to trust them, nor to broadly alert others of any malfeasance we might encounter. Also, we generally no longer have a pretty good working knowledge of how a lot of our products work, and are therefore in a poor position to assess the quality of those products.
In construction, there is a large body of standards and practices which are NOT a part of the State or National regulatory codes. They exist only as industry codes and standards. We make them enforceable by including them in our contracts, and compelling the contractor to build to those standards. Of course, we are then the ones who are responsible to hold the contractor to them.
The proper question becomes: What regulated industries or products are better because of government regulation?
Wrong question.
It is not our neighbors or even our local community who are providing our goods and services. We don't know who they are. We have no reason to trust them, nor to broadly alert others of any malfeasance we might encounter. Also, we generally no longer have a pretty good working knowledge of how a lot of our products work, and are therefore in a poor position to assess the quality of those products.
In construction, there is a large body of standards and practices which are NOT a part of the State or National regulatory codes. They exist only as industry codes and standards. We make them enforceable by including them in our contracts, and compelling the contractor to build to those standards. Of course, we are then the ones who are responsible to hold the contractor to them.
The proper question becomes: What regulated industries or products are better because of government regulation?
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 22, 2016 04:01 PM (o7l6R)
237
And the explosion of foot trucks recently has made the number of iffy taco stands in my area surge.
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (hvf9s)
So Barry was right about doctors performing needless amputations. Someone has to regulate all that amputated meat to make sure it's safe to consume.
Posted by: LizLem at August 22, 2016 02:16 PM (hvf9s)
So Barry was right about doctors performing needless amputations. Someone has to regulate all that amputated meat to make sure it's safe to consume.
Posted by: RickZ at August 22, 2016 04:43 PM (o+O5j)
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Could you argue restaurant inspection?
Nobody sees the kitchen. Nobody knows until there is a sickness and that sickness made public.
I would think a non-profit restaurant cleanliness certification they could post if they chose to join would be more efficient.
Nobody sees the kitchen. Nobody knows until there is a sickness and that sickness made public.
I would think a non-profit restaurant cleanliness certification they could post if they chose to join would be more efficient.
Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 22, 2016 04:56 PM (0CKeS)
239
I read an article a long time ago, about "Certification as a Fetish". Now, I read an article recently called "Business as Magic".
Both of these articles explain the concepts behind all this occupational licensing.
Here's one: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2016/04/07/business-as-magic/
Here's the other:
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/04/the_maintenance_of_certificati.html
Enjoy.
Both of these articles explain the concepts behind all this occupational licensing.
Here's one: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2016/04/07/business-as-magic/
Here's the other:
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/04/the_maintenance_of_certificati.html
Enjoy.
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Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat