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Crony Criminals: Department of Justice Blocked Any FBI Inquiry Into Clinton Foundation

This is why I just don't get NeverTrump.

Do you want a country that is still recognizably America in four years, or do you want... something darker?

Yes, Trump is an obnoxious, ignorant, possibly crooked asshole.

And what is Hillary? Hillary is all that plus the official and very illegal protection of the US federal bureaucracy.

The Clinton Foundation was not part of the recent investigation into her private server; it was separate. The FBI went to Justice Department earlier this year asking for it to open a case into the foundation, but the public integrity unit declined. The Justice Department had looked into whether it should open a case on the foundation a year prior and found it didn't have sufficient evidence to do so.

America is being divided, before your very eyes, into those castes with Juice and those without Juice. It's devolving into a fucking organized crime family.

We are not equal under the law -- far from it. And every day this corrupt gang makes this more and more normal and more and more acceptable to the public.

I know one thing about Trump. I can't vouch for his good intentions -- he doesn't have them -- but I know the federal government and the so-called Fourth Estate will not play Mob Lawyers for him.

Anyone who says they're for Equal Treatment Under the Law and then who supports someone who has been, is, and will continue to be Above the Law is simply a liar or hopelessly confused.

If Trump breaks the law, he'll be hounded, pressured into appointing and Independent Prosecutor --

Remember those? We had them under Republican presidents. It's where the President has to appoint someone from outside his coterie of cronies to investigate himself or his cronies. We don't have those under Democrat presidents, who prefer having their own cronies "investigate" them.*

-- and then impeached and kicked out of office.

It will, indeed, be a black eye for the GOP.

But it will be a victory for the Rule of Law and a vindication of the American Republican System of Government.

And what happens when Hillary similarly breaks the law, then has her crony Loretta Lynch say "no controlling legal authority," and completely gets away with it?

Which outcome sounds worse to you? Which will be more corrosive to America itself -- the rule of law triumphant, or the rule of law humiliated, stripped of its clothes, and raped on the floor?

We are literally witnessing the end of the Republic itself, and yet people prefer to dwell on smaller things (maybe because smaller things are comforting; if you dwell on small things, you can convince yourself nothing major is amiss) and just shrug at the end of the Republic.

By the way: CNN buried the lede at the end of their story. Drudge had to elevate it to the actual headline news it is.

So, hey. Let's all coronate queen Hillary and her united media, federal bureaucracy, Supreme Court, and permanent Clinton-Industrial Complex.

There's nothing at all wrong with power with no checks whatsoever -- that's Article 1, Section 1 of the Constitution, isn't it?

Treason never prospers, for if it prospers, then none dare call it treason.

Let's just sit back and watch some treason prospering.

* Some fool of a leftwing blogger -- are there any other kind? if they had anything on the ball, they'd be working for their buddies in a real media organization -- says I'm forgetting the Clinton Administration. Well, no; I just got sloppy with my terminology.

There are Special Prosecutors -- who have always existed; these are appointed by the President or AG -- and Independent Prosecutors -- who existed from like 1978 to 1999, when the law was allowed to lapse.

Independent Prosecutors are appointed and directed by a three-judge panel drawn from the DC Circuit of Appeals. I think a matter had to be referred to them by the AG, but the AG had little discretion about whether or not to refer; much was dictated by law. You were supposed to refer to the 3-judge panel for any allegation of wrongdoing by any covered person (high ranking officials) where any conflict-of-interest in the administration of justice might be present.

Janet Reno caused great controversy when she refused to refer Al gore to the 3-judge panel, claiming "no controlling legal authority," despite the fact the law in question actually did control and did mandate she refer the case. She just basically claimed that since Al Gore had (in her deciding) not committed any wrongful act, there was nothing to refer -- and that's precisely the sort of cronies-deciding-the-legal-fate-of-other-cronies the law was supposed to forbid.

So, the point is: democrats don't appoint outside prosecutors they can't control unless it's forced by the law, and that law doesn't even exist any longer.

So they no longer do.

See here.

Democrat Presidents don't appoint Special Prosecutors anymore, and didn't under Clinton, either. That was an Independent Prosecutor appointed by the court. Clinton didn't voluntarily have that going on.

(Note: because the questions of constitutionality with the independent prosecutor law, a special prosecutor -- actually appointed by the AG -- was to "shadow" the independent prosecutor basically as a fall-back option if a court struck down the independent prosecutor law as unconstitutional due to separation-of-powers concerns. So technically there was a special prosecutor "shadowing" Ken Starr, but you don't know his name, because he wasn't important, and was just there to preserve any convictions should the framework of the independent prosecutor law be invalidated.)

Anyway, this blogger-who-blogs-about-other-bloggers didn't know this, so I thought I'd help him out.

Democrat presidents don't appoint special prosecutors. Republicans bow to pressure and do so -- see Nixon and Bush -- but the media never pressures Democrats to do this, which is why the idea of a special prosecutor for Hillary has never been so much as broached by the mainstream media.

It was just allowed to sit in Obama's cronies' hands.

Posted by: Ace at 06:37 PM




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1 First?

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 10, 2016 06:39 PM (fsFHj)

2 NeverTrump is easy if you belong to the cabal of influence peddling UniParty whores.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 06:39 PM (P/kVC)

3 Yeah, but Trump kicked a baby out of the audience and may have thought mean things about a rank partisan who's also a gold start dad.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at August 10, 2016 06:39 PM (louq8)

4 Hillary is the most corrupt politician in American history. And she had some decent competition, too.

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2016 06:40 PM (jBuUi)

5 She built a wall to keep RICO out, and that's not Puerto Rico.

Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2016 06:40 PM (fWLrt)

6 Jews?

Posted by: Wu at August 10, 2016 06:40 PM (mkppl)

7
Thanks Thom!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (kdS6q)

8 The only reason I have for voting for Trump is that the media will rediscover its job as watchdog, which is a good thing.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (N8hFs)

9 Were coronating a new aristocracy, who have done nothing to deserve it.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (ngn8T)

10 They will continue to become more brazen... one can only imagine what they will be doing 2 years from now if they win .... they will not even bother with then coverup

Posted by: E.T. at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (c+7Ko)

11 What a scandal-free administration.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (Mt8T4)

12 Hate to see this become theme music for current events:

https://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw (sfw)

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (4WhSY)

13 I came to this conclusion 4 months ago

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (Ozsfq)

14
I heard that Trump stuck a baby to the windows of Trump Tower with a suction cup.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (LuZz8)

15 Nothing to see here ... move along...

Posted by: donna at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (O2RFr)

16 ... as House of Cards becomes a reality.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (K254S)

17

Not a smidgen of corruption.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (pPTJ4)

18 Trump would be worse. That hair, have you seen it?

Posted by: #NeverTrump at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (8ZskC)

19 It's devolving into a fucking organized crime family.

Bingo! Ace hits the nail on the head.

What 2016 was SUPPOSED to be a about was a battle between the Bush crime family and Clinton crime family for control of America's lucrative crony-income-stream.

Instead, a brash young turn named Trump is trying to muscle in on the turf war of our gangland overlords. THAT's why the Dems and the GOPe are so equally pissed off. he's upsetting the mafiosi balance of power.

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (jBuUi)

20 8 The only reason I have for voting for Trump is that the media will rediscover its job as watchdog, which is a good thing.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (N8hFs)

++++

It will continue to fabricate the news, but I agree that it will be better to have it fabricating news against the government instead of in support of the government.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (R+30W)

21 I picked a bad time to quit snorting draino.

Posted by: Killerdog at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (TBmsQ)

22 brash young turn = brash young turk

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (jBuUi)

23 I'm with Weirddave on the Trump reason, but have to throw in the bonus line:

Trump: He pisses off all the right people.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (v5iqM)

24 BTW, what are Trump's bad intentions?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (P/kVC)

25 Trump shot a baby from a trebuchet.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

26 And the Republicans are doing absolutely bumkis about this corruption.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (mpXpK)

27 >>> Do you want a country that is still recognizably America in four years, or do you want... something darker?

No, they're perfectly happy with it becoming a corrupt crime family, as long as they get their piece of it.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (Wt+M2)

28 "This is why I just don't get NeverTrump." I agree. Kristol is off the deep end.

But it's also why I just don't get Trump. All he has to do is hammer on this stuff. He was disciplined enough to say "lyin' Ted" 4257 times. Why can't he be disciplined enough to talk only about the destruction Hillary will bring and the few good policies he has. But he can't.

Posted by: duke at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (EQNFN)

29 BTW, what are Trump's bad intentions?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (P/kVC)

Some people don't like that he breaths...no biggie

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (Ozsfq)

30 C'mon. It's no contest. Trump is way worse. He is orange and also said something about a Mexican judge being Mexican and also a judge?

Are those your principles?

Because those aren't my principles. And I don't think they're Ronald Reagan's principles either.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (louq8)

31 Trump shot a baby from a trebuchet.

Trump makes it possible for an innocent youth to climb up his capitalist tower with out any safety nets!

Posted by: donna at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (O2RFr)

32 public integrity unit

-
Yeah, right.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (Nwg0u)

33 >>We are literally witnessing the end of the Republic itself, and yet people prefer to dwell on smaller things


To be fair to Trump, that baby's dick wasn't small. It was slightly smaller than large.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (c1srJ)

34 Excellent synopsis, Ace.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 10, 2016 06:45 PM (ZnIt3)

35 9 Were coronating a new aristocracy, who have done nothing to deserve it.
Posted by: Jean


In the sense that the Capone family was the aristocracy of Chicago, while the Gambino clan were the aristocracy of New York.

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2016 06:45 PM (jBuUi)

36 23
Trump: He pisses off all the right people.

Posted by: Jim at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (v5iqM)


Yep, I saw that early on, and is why I won't have to hold my nose to vote for him.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 06:45 PM (sdi6R)

37

Trump shot a baby from a trebuchet.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 06:43 PM (8ZskC)







At an illegal alien......errrr, undocumented American.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2016 06:45 PM (LuZz8)

38 > America is being divided, before your very eyes, into those castes with Juice and those without Juice. It's devolving into a fucking organized crime family.

> We are not equal under the law -- far from it. And every day this corrupt gang makes this more and more normal and more and more acceptable to the public.

---------

If This Goes On... it leads to violent attempts to overthrow the govt. If there's one thing I've learned from my recent interest in Roman History... No matter how bad things are, (violent attempts to overthrow the govt.) usually makes things worse.

Interesting times ahead!

Posted by: ArthurK at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (h53OH)

39 boss tweed and his pals had nothing on this bitch. the mafia could take lessons from the clintoons. this country is fucked. like a peter north porn scene.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (KP5rU)

40 Name a law you anticipate Turnip will break.

Name a law you anticipate Lady Rodham-Bathory will obey.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (VY8H5)

41 So this will be the lead story on all the major networks tonight ... right?

Posted by: donna at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (O2RFr)

42
Sulla 2016!
"Harsh but... harsh."

Posted by: ArthurK at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (h53OH)

43 I'm shocked! Shocked I say, to discover that the DoJ would cover Her Heinous' ass! I mean, do they even have enough lawyers to hide that thing?

Posted by: Old Blue at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (9iR5/)

44 If I ever get into trouble with the law I don't want special treatment, I just ask to be treated like an illegal alien.

... Or a Clinton.

Posted by: Clinton Corollary to Shit I Heard on the Howie Carr at August 10, 2016 06:46 PM (H9MG5)

45 Post hits the nail on the head of why I will be, reluctantly and sadly, voting Trump.

Posted by: RFR at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (FuFVX)

46 This is all a direct result of having let Barky slide on about 123 clearly impeachable offenses, starting from his acts during his 2008 campaign and continuing non-stop to this very day. And the real beginning of it all was when too many people thought it would be nasty to force Barky to prove, in some way, that he was actually eligible for the position. After that, there was no question that the Rule of Law was going to die a quick and ugly death. Shrillary just hitched a ride on this train of free and open lawless. It has been a friggin free-for-all.

All the people constantly shilling to give aid and comfort to invading illegals was just the cherry on top of all this lawlessness and mockery of the notion of the American Constitutional Republic.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (zc3Db)

47 good portion of NeverTrump are involved with the clinton crime family, the others were unable to buy access to trump, so its their payback, and are now committing money and think-tank mojo to hillary in the hope of being part of her coterie, having influence

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (c6/9Q)

48 But hey, that was pretty cool of that patriot to climb that Baby-dick Puncher's ill-gotten skyscraper.

Posted by: Andetson Cooper at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (89T5c)

49 Posted by: duke at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (EQNFN)


The MSM was eager to cover Trump when he talked about Lyin' Ted, so you heard about it.

Now, the primaries are over. Trump's attacks on Hillary will be completely embargoed unless they can be twisted to make him sound like a dangerous lunatic. If they can, they'll be made into a week-long series.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (8ZskC)

50 41 So this will be the lead story on all the major networks tonight ... right?
Posted by: donna


Fifty bucks says Tower Suction Cup Boy is in the employ of the Hillary Camp, and was "activated" to provide a alternate story for the networks to focus on tonight instead of her epic criminal corruption.

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (jBuUi)

51 And the Republicans are doing absolutely bumkis about this corruption
----------------------------

Well, congress can't do anything about it. The GOP only has minimal control of congress and that's only minimal oversight of the executive branch.

The Gop needs control of the congress, AND the executive branch, and the judicial branch, and the media branch and the education branch if they are going to fix this. And they'll need the Federal Reserve, the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force and Space Command.

Otherwise, there isn't much they can do.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (pPTJ4)

52 Judicial Watch is scheduling a time for Killary's deposition. Cheryl Mills has been re-questioned. Mills' memory wasn't quite as faulty this time.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2016 06:48 PM (QrM6Y)

53 damn sock

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 10, 2016 06:48 PM (89T5c)

54 OSHA to sue Trump for not having proper railings and toilet facilities on outside of building.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 06:48 PM (Mt8T4)

55 Post hits the nail on the head of why I will be, reluctantly and sadly, voting Trump.

Posted by: RFR at August 10, 2016 06:47 PM (FuFVX)


I am very enthusiastically voting Trump.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 10, 2016 06:48 PM (zc3Db)

56 There's nothing at all wrong with power with no checks whatsoever.

Word.

Posted by: The Chernobyl Reactor Pile at August 10, 2016 06:48 PM (9wsaH)

57 I'm beginning to believe my BP issue is directly due to this election season.

Obama and Hellary are trying to kill me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 06:49 PM (1ZOkK)

58 the media, the supremes, the fbi, cia, doj will all cover for Hillary and pound anyone that messes with their team goals.

now tell me they will allow trump to do 'anything' he wants!

of course they will all decide the constitution -bill of rights- and law mean everything at that point.

so this is why I'm going trump. to trump them for a period of time.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 06:49 PM (A1MMY)

59 Obama said Hillary's the most qualified to be President since Jefferson. Hah! Most corrupt since Aaron Burr.

John Crudele is a strong reporter for the New York Post and oftern writes about chicanery in official statistics such as the unemployment number. He writes again today that the Russians hacked through her Blackberry and have everything. He also writes that the NSA has everything too and offered it to Comey who turned them down. Others may also have the "deleted" e-mails, even that nerdy kid down the block.

There's been a steady drip of leaks that will likely continue. Even CNN is covering it.


Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 06:49 PM (r1fLd)

60 The real story is about the dog that didn't bark: the GOPe.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 06:50 PM (Nwg0u)

61 This country has been ruled by corrupt and criminal oligarkies since JFK took over the WH. And it keeps getting worse and more visible every year. The problem is the MFM only says anything about it when a Republican is in office. When the Republicans go after a crook like Clinton "its only sex" and everybody does it.


With Scankles they simply ignore it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 10, 2016 06:50 PM (mpXpK)

62 trump must be worse, we just know because, so I've heard.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 06:50 PM (A1MMY)

63 The real story is about the dog that didn't bark: the GOPe.

Fuck them to hell

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 06:50 PM (8ZskC)

64 This is not really important...Much better we should talk about some intellectual useless topic to make political hey and beat that dead horse back to death

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2016 06:50 PM (Ozsfq)

65 I am sure the elevators at the FBI Building are packed with idealistic agents on their way out the door...

for the night.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (c1srJ)

66 Weren't there a bunch of people here saying they'd vote for Hillary over Rubio? I can remember at least one...

Too bad we didn't nominate one of the fifteen other candidates. As it is, it's her election.

Posted by: DOBSON at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (BXcJU)

67 Also, Hillary is the agent of Trump's assholery. She benefits directly from it, ergo she is most responsible for it. Cui bono.

It's the same phenomenon as the '91 David Duke v. Edwin Edwards gubernatorial campaign. Everyone knew Edwards was a crook, so he had his machine (i.e, gangster) voters cross party lines and make loyal Democrat patsy Duke the Republican nominee.

Bottom line is if Trump offends you, you have only Hillary to blame. Trump is the rodeo clown; Hillary is the drunk overweight cowboy sitting on her own hat; and the American voters are the bull.

Posted by: Paul Feig at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (sjMdG)

68 Post hits the nail on the head of why I will be, reluctantly and sadly, voting Trump.

I'm happily voting ABC, Anybody But Clinton. This time around that happens to be Trump.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (4WhSY)

69 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 06:49 PM (1ZOkK)
Deep breaths Jane, deep breaths.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (fsFHj)

70 This is not really important...Much better we should talk about some intellectual useless topic to make political hey and beat that dead horse back to death
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Have you heard that Trump dickpunches babies?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (UPYhp)

71 If Hillary had to climb to the top of Trump Towers with suction cups to be President, I believe she would do it. The sheer demonic force of her will would carry her through.

Posted by: Hildebeest at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (rMBk7)

72 The Washington bureaucracy hates you, just so you know.

Fight now at election time, because once that's over you got nuffin.

Posted by: Hillary Corleone at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (E3EdC)

73 And Stupid Shep Smith wastes the hour of the Five with ridiculout coverage of some A&&hole climbing the Trump Tower.

Why don't some super wealthy conservatives join together and create a new "Fox-type" News? The old "Fox News" ain't doin' it for me the past few years.

The hard-hitters don't follow up, oh, never mind. I need another glass of plonk.

Posted by: Susanamantha at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (uf79c)

74 If I knew how to commit voter fraud and vote more than once i would.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (Ozsfq)

75 Turns out the Trump Tower Spiderman is a Trump supporter.

Shep hardest hit.

Posted by: @votermom at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (7lVbc)

76 At least Trump didn't dick-punch the climber off Trump Tower.

Interesting how the Secret Service jumped all over Trump and team for the 2nd Amendment comment.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (1ZOkK)

77
Well, hello there First Name Guy. Aren't you a handsome devil?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (LuZz8)

78
Speaker for life baby. Speaker. For. Life.
Posted by: PAUL RYAN at August 10, 2016 06:51 PM (XzRw1)


Only if we vote downticket, dickbreath.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (Mt8T4)

79 He also writes that the NSA has everything too and offered it to Comey who turned them down.

wow

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (c6/9Q)

80 75 Turns out the Trump Tower Spiderman is a Trump supporter.

Posted by: @votermom


Link?

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2016 06:53 PM (jBuUi)

81 CNN BREAKING NEWS: CNN has found out that all Hurricanes in the past 500 years that struck the US have been steered by Trump Inc. to hurt persons of color. This is Wolf Blitzed reporting from CNN Headquarters live from Vladivostok with "Uncle Joe" Stalin's ghost.

Posted by: Charles Fox at August 10, 2016 06:53 PM (NuElX)

82 wow ,because this guy knows it and that means others know it

chinese have her emails too

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 06:53 PM (c6/9Q)

83 And if you can't vote for Trump, at least vote for Mike Pence and his running mate.

Anyone. Anyone, I beseech you but the criminal enterprise.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 10, 2016 06:53 PM (ZnIt3)

84 It's OK. There will be justice. You have to be patient. That, and endure the destruction of our Republic. But Hillary Clinton will face the music at the World Court, which will probably be in Warsaw by that time.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (0cMXq)

85 Goes to show Trumpsters are unstable

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (bksJQ)

86
If I knew how to commit voter fraud and vote more than once i would.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2016 06:52 PM (Ozsfq)


Nunca te rindas

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)

87 The Republican party brought all this down on us from 2000-2008. The Republican party of 1994-2000 was its highwater mark.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (dZ756)

88 Second look at voting against all incumbents?

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (laMCB)

89 Hillary is basically Tony Soprano. Trump is Big Pussy, not that bright.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (OZmbA)

90 Weren't there a bunch of people here saying they'd vote for Hillary over Rubio?



In a moment of rage I admit to saying I would vote for Hillary just to help burn everything to the ground, pound stone, and salt the earth, but that was just frustration, and I didn't know much about Trump at the time.

Now that I know a little about Trump. . . I realize that I won't have to burn everything to the ground, plunder the ashes, and bury the foundations. Someone else, probably the black block anarchist will be doing that for me, and I can just watch.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 06:55 PM (pPTJ4)

91 all our leaders will have a new respect for law. free speech, gun rights after trump wins. just wait.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 06:55 PM (A1MMY)

92 Democrat voters probably regard bureaucratic tyranny and favoritism to be something akin to terrorism: "It probably won't happen to me, and the Democrats give me what I want, so what do I care?"

As long as they keep the level of malfeasance below a "Scott Adams" threshold, public apathy will win the day.

Posted by: Hildebeest at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (rMBk7)

93 He also writes that the NSA has everything too and offered it to Comey who turned them down.
===================

I'm sure that the Sacred Wall Doctrine was invoked. It is always called forth when a Dem is in trouble. When a Republican is in the dock of public opinion, the Sacred Wall recedes into the mist and is seen no more.

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (JBggj)

94 I'm beginning to believe my BP issue is directly due to this election season.

Obama and Hellary are trying to kill me.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 06:49 PM (1ZOkK)
it is not time to panic yet

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (c6/9Q)

95 >>> "All he has to do is hammer on this stuff."

He does. The problem is the media seizes every opportunity to divert attention away from it.

This isn't even a Trump problem. Remember Romney's "gaaaaaaafes?" The problem is Paul Ryan and other establishment types have been blowing his messaging too, and giving the media excuse to cover this because "republican leaders also think it's an issue."

If they started punching back they could overcome the messaging, but they keep twisting the knife instead. The Trump economic plan was drowned out by "50 GOP experts." If it wasn't the 2nd amendment thing they would've claimed he was hinting at trying to commit voter fraud. And if it wasn't that, they would claim that Trump hadn't committed to the debates yet. Trump can't fight a 3 front war.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (Wt+M2)

96 If she gets elected, there will be no place to hide.

I really believe that she will be the direct cause for states to start seceding.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (EQgcz)

97 85 Goes to show Trumpsters are unstable
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (bksJQ)


I dunno. He made it to the 12th floor. That's pretty stable.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (sdi6R)

98 Hillary is basically Tony Soprano. Trump is Big Pussy, not that bright.
Posted by: Sphynx

You haven't seen what I've seen.

Posted by: Huma at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (UPYhp)

99 "He also writes that the NSA has everything too and offered it to Comey who turned them down.
wow"

Crudele in today's NY Post:
"The NSA even offered the emails to the FBI when it was conducting the probe that ultimately found that Hillary was "extremely careless" with sensitive government information. The FBI declined the NSA's offer, I'm told. The emails, the FBI contended, would have been useless in court if Hillary had been indicted because of the way they were obtained."

Also, the DOJ told the FBI not to go there.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (r1fLd)

100 our local news talks all retarded and their shit is all fucked up. what a bunch of nickel fuckers. they are all ready for cnn.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (KP5rU)

101
I WANT YOU INSIDE MA BELLY!

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 10, 2016 06:57 PM (yfObW)

102 *wave hand* These aren't the crimes you're looking for.

Posted by: Obi Wan Clintonobi at August 10, 2016 06:57 PM (z/Ubi)

103 I was going to link to the article on my FB page...I didn't, because no one cares. Everyone is "Trump is Evil! Trump Is Hitler! Trump wants Hillary assassinated!"

What difference, at this point, does it make?


Posted by: Captain Whitebread at August 10, 2016 06:57 PM (QlRV3)

104 But Hillary has a vagina! And Trump is meeeeean!

Posted by: Soccer mom voter at August 10, 2016 06:58 PM (0mRoj)

105 The regulations from Mordor on the Potomac have reached the point that your average worker cannot work an eight hour day with violating at least three feral regulations. Just like the JEF, Her Heinous wants to increase the number of feral regulations to put a further drag on businesses, workers, and serfs in general. The woman (and I use that term loosely) is pure unadulterated evil, and she may just win the election. I despair.

Posted by: Old Blue at August 10, 2016 06:58 PM (9iR5/)

106 Why are the women tandem playing beach volleyball in burkas?

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 06:58 PM (bksJQ)

107 The FBI declined the NSA's offer, I'm told. The emails, the FBI
contended, would have been useless in court if Hillary had been indicted
because of the way they were obtained."
================

Behold! The Sacred Wall appears!

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 06:58 PM (JBggj)

108 Guiliani mentioned RICO earlier. That would take years. All these incestuous assholes are all tied together.
But I could wait. It would be glorious.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (89T5c)

109 Also, the DOJ told the FBI not to go there.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (r1fLd)

others will

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (c6/9Q)

110 Well, this is a unique argument.

So you want people to vote for Trump, counting on him to do something impeachable, hope he actually is impeached, and then thinking that this whole affair will birth some restoration of the Rule of Law?

Is this your argument Ace? I just want to make sure I understand your argument before I respond more fully on it.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (5115x)

111 This is why I just don't get NeverTrump.

It's a mix, right? Some of them are swinish pro-Hillary traitors. Others don't want to see the GOP brand (for the little that it's still worth) tarnished permanently with Trump. Others are principled conservatives who hate the GOP, too, but are put off by Trump's almost daily demonstrations of stupidity (like stepping all over negative Hillary news with his latest verbal eruption.)

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (laMCB)

112
Why are the women tandem playing beach volleyball in burkas?
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 06:58 PM (bksJQ)


Because they're really men?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (lKyWE)

113 all those govt agencies under her control.. she would NEVER misuse govt resources.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (A1MMY)

114 Why are the women tandem playing beach volleyball in burkas?

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 06:58 PM (bksJQ)

they want to lose

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (c6/9Q)

115 Trump may ne an asshole but he is OUR asshole, godammit! Trump 2016

Posted by: Excelsior at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (CG+Mw)

116 Were coronating a new aristocracy, who have done nothing to deserve it.
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2016 06:41 PM (ngn8T)

"We" aren't coronating anything.

This is a bloodless coup (so far) with no discernible opposition in the halls of power.

"If there was hope, it must lie with the proles."

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (jBqMt)

117 >>So you want people to vote for Trump, counting on him to do something impeachable, hope he actually is impeached, and then thinking that this whole affair will birth some restoration of the Rule of Law?



Good thing Chemistry doesn't rely on reading comprehension, or anything.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (c1srJ)

118 Ohhhhh, its only in the 60 degree range, 20c whatever that is.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (bksJQ)

119 Hillary is basically Tony Soprano. Trump is Big Pussy, not that bright.
Posted by: Sphynx

You haven't seen what I've seen.

Posted by: Huma at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM
.........Let me tell you about big pussy....

Posted by: Hope Solo's Train Tunnel at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (dNwFH)

120 Well, the one thing I can assure you that a Clinton victory would accomplish for a sizeable portion of the country.

Wholesale lots of formerly Law Abiding Conservatives would take a terminal dose of fucktall, and dive deep into Greek Democracy, tenfold.

And the sabotage wouldn't stop there, either, I'd imagine. Countless opportunities for mischief, and I won't list them here. Let's just say that most everything a bureaucracy needs to function, would somehow end up not on anyone's delivery schedule.

If we're going to be punished for thought crimes, might as well indulge in the actual, and not the abstract.

And we're far more intelligent, canny and creative than they've ever imagined or suffered in their worst nightmares.

They've had the advantage for more than 50 years, because we stay between the lines. Play by the rules. Take our lumps, even when really not deserved.

But I think that all that'll come to a sudden end, soon after a bad outcome in November. And I'm not even slightly suggesting or inferring a shooting kind of conflict, not even remotely close to that.

Hell, we'll be too busy mirthfully grinning our faces off as we joyfully throw sand in the works and wrenches into all the gears, in the months and years to come.

Oh, and as an added benefit? Hard to give the Free Shit Army much shit, when the whole Shit supply chain is diverted into the Spinning Fan.

And why the difference, this time around? Ace just spelled it out, right here in this post. I don't think the Good Guy side is going to take being terminally marginalized, without a peep or protest or pissin' match.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (v5iqM)

121 Quote 1
"This is why I just don't get NeverTrump."


Quote 2
"Yes, Trump is an obnoxious, ignorant, possibly crooked asshole."

Quote 2 gave all the ammunition needed for quote 1.

I'll give you obnoxious, ignorant is a matter of opinion and crooked is pure conjecture.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (WVsWD)

122 We are literally witnessing the end of the Republic itself

And come now. This is overwrought histrionics.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (5115x)

123 Its even Brazil playing, I was expecting thongs

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (bksJQ)

124 Trump is Big Pussy

Trust me: he's not.

Posted by: hope solo at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (6FqZa)

125 If Hellary is elected, it will literally break my heart, and I will have nothing to do with ANYONE, family included, who voted for her.

My ancestors fought to free us from the British, and the men in my side of the family have fought in every war since.

Kills me to see what's happening to this nation.

And Lydon Johnson....no words. Thanks for creating a whole slave plantation. You evil old ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (1ZOkK)

126 "Trump: He pisses off all the right people."

Too bad he also pisses off the wrong people.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (KF8B+)

127 Good thing Chemistry doesn't rely on reading comprehension, or anything.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (c1srJ)



Yeah, it's mostly just numbers and shit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (8ZskC)

128 But Ace, Trump is just so hard to listen to.

Posted by: Jim Geraghty at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (bsDXW)

129 Lydon = Lyndon

*angry fingers*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (1ZOkK)

130 Overwrought histrionics are the worst kind of histrionics.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (8ZskC)

131 I don't think Trump would have to do something impeachable, for us to realize this one clear advantage of his election over Clinton's, chemjeff.

If Hillary does something illegal, she'll get away with it, because the press, FBI, etc will cover for her, as they are now, as they have for Obama.

if Trump were to try anything illegal, they'd be all over him like piranha on a bleeding ox.

So Trump won't even attempt half of the shenanigans that Hillary would get away with. Simple concept, chemjeff.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (sgHEm)

132 #122

And come now. This is overwrought histrionics.
==========

And for one, brief shining moment, I agree with Jeff.

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (JBggj)

133 >.And what is Hillary? Hillary is all that plus the official and very illegal protection of the US federal bureaucracy.



Hillary and Bill are the most corrupt politicians in the history of the America.
They're several orders of magnitude worse then the next most corrupt pol, whoever that might be.

It is mind-boggling the degree to which they leveraged her position as SoS.
"Clinton Cash" should be required reading. They would probably sell off Chelsea's kids is there were a few billion in it for them.

Posted by: Tom Cruise at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (NOIQH)

134 Hillary will be the end if she wins, the Supreme Being Court will be leftists longer than I'll be caring.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (bksJQ)

135 129 Lydon = Lyndon

*angry fingers*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (1ZOkK)

Deep breaths, Jane, deep breaths.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (0mRoj)

136 128 But Ace, Trump is just so hard to listen to.
Posted by: Jim Geraghty at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (bsDXW)
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Yeah, we all know being "hard to listen to" was only a valid complaint when given as a reason not to vote for Cruz in the primary.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:03 PM (mFkVC)

137 Is Huma actually Luca Brazi in panty hose?

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at August 10, 2016 07:03 PM (0sLvz)

138 Lydon = Lyndon

*angry fingers*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (1ZOkK)



Jane, take your fingers out for some drinks. It will be good for all of you.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:03 PM (8ZskC)

139 chermjeff, do you think govt agencies will use their tools to stop Hillary malfeasance? but they would to stop Trump. rule of law will be cool again.

for a short time maybe, but rem,ember the fks waving the constitution and bill of rights around with George bush and the patriot act and so on? yes a ploy but maybe enough to make some people think what does protect Them from the arm of govt or asses in charge of the rest of us.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:03 PM (A1MMY)

140 >>Hillary is basically Tony Soprano.


Whitey Bulger

Posted by: Tom Cruise at August 10, 2016 07:03 PM (NOIQH)

141 This isn't even a Trump problem. Remember Romney's
"gaaaaaaafes?" ...

Posted by: GrapeDrink at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (Wt+M2)


My God Romney put a dog on his car- Obama chowing down dog ribs
Projection works with a compliant press.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 07:03 PM (P/kVC)

142 NeverTrump is irrelevant at this point. It has been since Trump became the presumptive nominee and, ever more so, since the convention ended.

Trump is the Republican nominee. The end.

Since that time, he has shot himself in the foot repeatedly. No one is doing this shit to him. Yes, the media gleefully reports on it. Yes, lots of people are saying, "See? I told ya so". The bottom line is that Trump is doing this shit to himself.

Hillary isn't winning. She's not gaining any significant support. Trump is losing support and he's doing so by his own actions.

I do not want Hillary in any government housing that is not a prison but the person with the best chance to stop her is running the most incomprehensibly inept campaign in history.

It's time to stop blaming others for Trump's failings. If Hillary wins, one person is accountable just as if he'd be accountable for his actions if he one and got the job.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:04 PM (71OEY)

143 My two cents.


I'm voting for Trump because I refuse to let that evil bitch run this country. As much as I told myself during the primaries that I wouldn't vote for Jeb, Christie, Rubio, etc, I ashamedly know now that I would vote for them, to keep that evil bitch out of the White House.


I understand some people don't want to vote for Trump. I so wanted Cruz in there, but it didn't happen. I decided I will vote for Trump. Maybe you won't. That's ok, it's called free will and we all have it.


What really tweaks me is those who feel the need to trumpet from the highest mountain, like a fucking skipping record over and over and over again that they just simply will not vote for Trump. Yeah, we get it. To me, that's nothing but a huge self-ego stroke. It's prideful. It's "hey, lookatme! Dammit I SAID LOOK AT ME!!!!" It's pretentious and it's crude.


I just can't wait until this election season is over. Although, we'll do this same dance again soon enough. It never fucking fails.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 10, 2016 07:04 PM (+eR2D)

144
But Ace, Trump is just so hard to listen to. Posted by: Jim Geraghty at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (bsDXW)


Have you heard Clinton speak?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 10, 2016 07:04 PM (lKyWE)

145 What's sitting in plain view is that Huma simultaneously drew salaries from State, the Foundation and a Bill Clinton venture with his protege Doug Band, who's on the e-mails that just got released. This suggests that Huma was the point for "co-ordinating."

Even these few e-mails show enough "co-ordination" for a prima facia RICO case. You could write a draft complaint in a week with what's already in the public domain.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:04 PM (r1fLd)

146 Sadly it doesn't matter. Any dem deep down knows what a corrupt piece of slime Hillary is, they don't care because (D) and (V). The nevertrumpers would rather see that corrupt piece of shit Hillary in the WH.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 10, 2016 07:04 PM (dNwFH)

147 Overwrought histrionics are the worst kind of histrionics.
------

Nah, I love watching Hollywood actors take an unbelievable story line and make it dramatic and believable by believing in the storyline, and making you believe it too. It takes histroinics to do that.

Sharknado for example, only one of literally thousands.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (pPTJ4)

148 NeverTrump is irrelevant at this point. It has been since Trump became the presumptive nominee and, ever more so, since the convention ended.


NeverTrump will continue to be relevant as long as its adherents do their best to sabotage his candidacy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (8ZskC)

149 13
I came to this conclusion 4 months ago
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Ditto for me Nevergiveup. Whatever wrong Trump has done wrong in his life, Hillary has done three times bad, with definitive proof to boot. Proof that is being steadily ignored by the mercenary whores of the Lamestream Media even as it is pushed under the rug by Obummer's obliging minions. The worst thing trump could do is be a lame president for 4 years. Hillary will be Stalin and Sulla together, with less moral restraint and desperation to make A Legacy before her brain short-circuits. But Trump isn't buddy-buddy with the GOPe, so stab him in the back more times than Julius Caesar or the Gracchi.

Posted by: exdem13 at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (ry4ab)

150 Yeah, it is end of the Republic stuff.

Do you think Trump will fix it?

I don't.

Sure, I probably should vote for him - why not? but I think the rot is baked into the cake.

The sure sign for me is the fact that zero FBI agents resigned after Hillary walked.

Its over folks.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (UBBWX)

151 This has been my Trump arguement ever since I had to reconcile myself to supporting someone who said Ted Cruz's dad assassinated JFK.

Hail Orange Julius Caesar!

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (KH8nb)

152 You do not get the never trump idea?
Here it is.
With a country that was going the wrong way with someone far more conservative and moral than Trump. A country that voted for the black guy for no other reason than he was black and democrat. A nation that has enough people to not only keep the Democratic party a viable party, but have enough left over losers to vote for Trump to be the Nominee in yet the other major party. A nation that overwhelmingly supports Social Security and Medicare, despite them having future liabilities of over $50 trillion and over $200 trillion respectively while at the same time supporting welfare and owing an unheard of $19 trillion.
I am no longer willing to vote for the lesser of two evils. Both candidates are beyond the evil of any candidate I have witnessed in my entire life, although some of the prior ones might have been more so.
You want to elect Trump so he can sink the nation. That is your prerogative. I am under no obligation to help you. I was never going to vote for the Democrat under any circumstances. I was willing to vote for the Republican if the Nominee offered something of value to me. I do not find a minutely slower path Armageddon to be valuable to me.

Posted by: astonerii at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (o/DjS)

153 Yes, Trump is an obnoxious, ignorant, possibly crooked asshole...

----

People, it's Falstaff vs. Lady Macbeth.

And some folks don't want to vote for Falstaff because he's clownish?

Damn. I just don't get it.

Posted by: RKae at August 10, 2016 07:06 PM (rbJs2)

154 148 NeverTrump is irrelevant at this point. It has been since Trump became the presumptive nominee and, ever more so, since the convention ended.


NeverTrump will continue to be relevant as long as its adherents do their best to sabotage his candidacy.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (8ZskC)

Which makes them #ImwithHillary, whether they admit it or not.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 10, 2016 07:06 PM (0mRoj)

155 >>This suggests that Huma was the point for "co-ordinating."


Hell, she was acting SoS by accessing Hillary's email and directing others to take action via Hillary's account, right?

Posted by: Tom Cruise at August 10, 2016 07:06 PM (NOIQH)

156 Inexplicably, there are Christian sites, particularly some Catholic one, which day in and day out trumpet how conservative they are, then turn around and bash Trump for being personally vulgar in some way. As if they have gotten the shakes just imagining inviting him to Sunday dinner.

Hillary? Who's Hillary? Whoever she is, she has to be better than that boorish and vulgarian Trump and his women, they decide.

Posted by: Jamie at August 10, 2016 07:06 PM (m6piq)

157 "Trump: He pisses off all the right people."



Too bad he also pisses off the wrong people.





Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (KF8B+)

who are those "wrong people"?

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 07:07 PM (c6/9Q)

158 Hillary's election would be the end of the republic. Not necessarily because of what Hillbitch would do but because it would be proof positive that the people are unworthy of a republic.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:07 PM (Nwg0u)

159 What percent of NeverTrumpers are secretly going to vote for him? Not trying to score political points just curious.

I would say it's AT LEAST 10%

Posted by: Max Power at August 10, 2016 07:07 PM (q177U)

160 People, it's Falstaff vs. Lady Macbeth.

And some folks don't want to vote for Falstaff because he's clownish?

Damn. I just don't get it.
Posted by: RKae at August 10, 2016 07:06 PM (rbJs2)
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This is incredibly offensive to Falstaff.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:07 PM (mFkVC)

161 BAM ace. The one argument these snide "Never Trump" pricks cannot elide is that Trump (Jackass that he is) will be held accountable by the federal bureaucracy and the so-called 4th estate. Those fuckers will go full-blown Woodward and Bernstein if Trump is elected.

Oh, and CJ, if this totally unaccountable international crime queen-pin is elected, lets remember to compare notes in 4 years. Ace is right. A Republic in name only, as in Augustan Rome.

Posted by: Alamo at August 10, 2016 07:07 PM (E/XIS)

162 "Sadly it doesn't matter. Any dem deep down knows what a corrupt piece of slime Hillary is, they don't care because (D) and (V)."

Enough Ds can be made to care, at least enough to stay home.

I's will care. She's already losing to Trump with I's.

At some point the 12-year old rape victim will get heard. It'll kill Hillary with young women. I'd love to schlong Kirsten Gillibrand with this too.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (r1fLd)

163 Hillary is a few brain waves more than a vegatable. And those brain waves are those of a psychotic homicidal criminal totalitarian.

We have the fourth estate and the so called opposition party enabling a vegetable to occupy POTUS.

Why support a vegetable you ask? Because Trump is not and never had been a member of their Club. So support the diseased vegetable instead.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (IKya9)

164 Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:00 PM (c1srJ)

Fine, so how do you interpret Ace's argument?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (5115x)

165 trump has yet to use our assets to further his foundations and let them be killed when their usefulness is more than their financial or political value.

trump has yet to start wars and part out countries assets for political and financial gain.

Trump hasn't left his chosen ambassadors and assistants die because of hidden agendas and gun running to terrorists.

trump hasn't loaded up Mexican cartels and gangs with guns 'fast and furious' to help use death and destruction to undermine Our rights in America.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (A1MMY)

166 Yeah, let's put the Clinton Crime Syndicate back in the White House, right Never Trumpers?

Billy Jeff will be free to sexually harass, rape, whatever, and he and the Hell Beast will hell beast like no one's business.

But Trump is crude!

And I was a Cruz supporter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (1ZOkK)

167 I'm beginning to believe my BP issue is directly due to this election season.

Obama and Hellary are trying to kill me.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 06:49 PM (1ZOkK)

I have gone from a light to moderately heavy drinker in the course of about 3 months due in part to this shitshow I'm living through.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 07:09 PM (jBqMt)

168 Also, I think Trump supporters need to realize that Never Trump is not that big.

Arizona being on Trump+2 is not due to evil National Review people.

Its because Trump had his Mexican judge moment.

Oh, sure Clinton is going to "destroy" the Republic.

But it was already gone. The media, and Obama made that happen.

Trump being held to account would be useful, but really its the media and the deep state that need to be reformed and that won't happen.

Kreplach is probably right that civil war is what is going to happen. See late Rome.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:09 PM (UBBWX)

169 >>Both candidates are beyond the evil of any candidate I have witnessed in my entire life, although some of the prior ones might have been more so.


Nice and subtle little bush bash, there.

You do good work.
Can you have your manager post so we can tell him how well you are doing?

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:09 PM (c1srJ)

170 Falstaff vs. Lady Macbeth

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True but an anthology incomprehensible to your average Donk.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:09 PM (Nwg0u)

171 Hillary is a few brain waves more than a vegatable. And those brain
waves are those of a psychotic homicidal criminal totalitarian.
==========

'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (JBggj)

172
wow ,because this guy knows it and that means others know it

chinese have her emails too


Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 06:53 PM (c6/9Q)








Hell, I suspect that the Tahitians and Botswanans have her emails.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (LuZz8)

173 Ace, I still like your "choosing a fly in your mouth or a spider in your mouth" analogy for the Trump/Clinton thing. I think it sums our dilemma up nicely.

And lately, ol' Wobbles is looking more and more like a giant black widow.

Posted by: weew at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (6EH85)

174 "Augustan Rome" suggests a wise and politically astute tyrant. I'd go with Chavismo-era Venezuela for a better comparison.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (8ZskC)

175 Which makes them #ImwithHillary, whether they admit it or not.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 10, 2016 07:06 PM (0mRoj)

I ask again - how many times does a voter have to have voted GOP before Trump becomes entitled to their vote and not providing it becomes a vote for Clinton?

If Bernie Bros don't vote, is that a vote for Clinton? Or Trump?

How about someone who has never voted? If they continue not to vote, is that a vote for Clinton?

I want to be sure I understand this correctly.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (mFkVC)

176 Goes to show Trumpsters are unstable

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 06:54 PM (bksJQ)



I dunno. He made it to the 12th floor. That's pretty stable.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 06:56 PM (sdi6R)

Proving yet again that White Men Can't Jump.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (P/kVC)

177 *angry fingers*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:02 PM (1ZOkK)


I saw Angry Fingers open for Talking Heads in Montreal in '82

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at August 10, 2016 07:11 PM (QlRV3)

178 149
The problem with your argument that Hillary will be Stalin and Sulla is that in order to have that kind of power to transform, you have to have a powerful personality.
She does not.
Trump does. What would Hitler have been without a strong personality? Nobody is who.

Posted by: astonerii at August 10, 2016 07:11 PM (o/DjS)

179 Yeah, let's put the Clinton Crime Syndicate back in the White House, right Never Trumpers?

Billy Jeff will be free to sexually harass, rape, whatever, and he and the Hell Beast will hell beast like no one's business.

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Bonus: Chelsea will assume the duties of first lady.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (Nwg0u)

180
I ask again - how many times does a voter have to have voted GOP before Trump becomes entitled to their vote and not providing it becomes a vote for Clinton?


67.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (Mt8T4)

181 Hillary is evil yes, causesd countless deatsh during her tenure at state, but really that fkn trump is so obnoxious,a nd rude I mean really rude aznd hell he might be as bad as Hillary I assume he must be so no way am I voting for that creep.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (A1MMY)

182 Frankly, I think many of these GOPe #NeverTrumpers are just concerned that Trump might interfere with their graft. These shitweasles have all kinds of bad things to say about Trump but nary a peep about the Clinton Machine's decades of corruption. I have no illusions that Trump is a limited-government guy but I don't think he is motivated by avarice while Hillary Clinton is.

It is still too early to call the election. If the Progs do win, it will be a Pyric victory. The economy will continue to slide into the abyss. Add to that, there will continue to be assassinations of police officers by people motivated by the rhetoric of Black Lives Matter (but don't dare call them a terrorist organization) and more Jihadi attacks (but don't dare call them Muslim).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (5Yee7)

183 Trump on message is good, Trump freestyleing is a disaster.
Hillary no one gets to even ask her anything except sycophants

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (bksJQ)

184
171
Hillary is a few brain waves more than a vegatable. And those brain

waves are those of a psychotic homicidal criminal totalitarian.
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'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"


Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (JBggj)







An apple.

Posted by: Frau Gruppencankles at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (LuZz8)

185 Trump does. What would Hitler have been without a strong personality? Nobody is who.

Posted by: astonerii at August 10, 2016 07:11 PM (o/DjS)



Strong personality = ZOMG HITLER!!!!11!!

Lord, give it a rest.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (8ZskC)

186 End of the Republic? I'd say No if Hillary Clinton's misdeeds were discovered and she made an attempt of denying them. But she's (1) flaunting it and (2) running for president. This is very bad.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (0cMXq)

187 And a post about Clinton/Obama corruption turns into a NeverTrump Embarassment Session.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (Mt8T4)

188 trump will not be allowed free run of govt agencies, unlike Hillary.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (A1MMY)

189 "Marge, it takes two to lie - one to lie, and one to listen."

So it's our fault, don't you see.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (r1fLd)

190 Strong personality = ZOMG HITLER!!!!11!!

Lord, give it a rest.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:12 PM (8ZskC)

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Strong personalities are doubleplus ungood in Fundamentally Transformed America.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (QlRV3)

191 Shut up and talk about fasting Ace

Posted by: xpo172 at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (1PDwB)

192 What was that old saying?


"The tree of treason needs occasional watering with the blood of patriarchs" or something.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (CS7jF)

193 For all you current and former military families: Do you honest-to-G-d want Hellary commanding our brave men and women?

The Beast is legendary for her disgust as FLOTUS with just the sight of military uniforms. She treated the military staff as horribly as she did the Secret Service.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:14 PM (1ZOkK)

194 Liars, liars, pantsuits on fire.

Posted by: t-bird at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (yddCj)

195 >>Fine, so how do you interpret Ace's argument?


Jeff, I like you. I really do. You remind me of a few guys I have known that are genuinely good people.

Go and re-read what Ace wrote.

He is not arguing in favor of a evil benefactor.

He is arguing in favor of an alternative to a known malefactor.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (c1srJ)

196 Hi willow! *hugs, huge hugs*

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (+eR2D)

197 'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"
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a road apple.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (KSKy7)

198 astonerii at 152, if you can't see a glimmer of light between the stated policy goals of Trump, and of Clinton...If you can't look at their tax proposals, say, or who they're likely to nominate to SCOTUS, and say "yep Trump looks better to me", then...

You're probably a Democrat, and you were never going to vote for the Republican nominee, no matter who it was. Or you're a nincompoop.

And if your argument at this point (and that's the crucial thing -- not 6 months ago, but now, now that Trump is the nominee) is: But Trump might not do what he says; then you are definitely an idiot.

Trump might not do what he says. Maybe there's only a 25% chance he will. But the odds of Clinton cutting taxes, undoing TPP and ObamaCare, and nominating a conservative constitutionalist for SCOTUS?

0.0000%, buddy. Last time I checked, 25% > 0%. There's some math for you.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (sgHEm)

199 I'm going to modify my prior post slightly.

If Trump loses, he is the primary person responsible.

Secondary are his supporters for dragging his ass over the finish line from the primaries while he continued to fail to gain majority support even from his own party.

The numbers are what they are and they have never changed. Trump has never earned more than 40% support. Think for a second: if 60% of your party does not want you, perhaps a different option is needed.

Let's go further. Republicans don't make up 50% of the country. Even if everyone who usually votes R, whether they like it or not, gave in to the 40% and all consolidated around Trump... going by the past 2 presidential elections, that gives him less than 47% of the total national vote.

You nominated a guy who cannot even earn grudging support from a group that all consider Hillary to be the worse than Obama. Fine. You won. Now what? How is he going to get the support of independents and democrats to actually win?

This reality was obvious in every poll since the beginning. Trump's supporters chose to ignore it and insist that everyone was wrong but them. Well, it's turning out exactly as all the numbers said.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (71OEY)

200 "Frankly, I think many of these GOPe #NeverTrumpers are just concerned that Trump might interfere with their graft."

Name names.

Because i'm sick of being told about the evil GOPe when Boehner and McConnel supported Trump and knifed Cruz.

So, which exact GOPe people are protecting their Graft by being Never Trump?

The only people I can see would be Right Media types like NR people.

But, by the way, by the same exact token, which media types rode the Trump wave? who pushed Trump? When they could have stopped him?

Joe Scarborough. Hannity. Other blowhards.

Sorry, they bear a lot of responsibility for this debacle.

You want people to vote for Trump out of hatred for Clinton because you're skarred she will win? Acknowledge that maybe some in the media pushed the wrong guy - showed the wrong rallies from start to finish.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (UBBWX)

201 Danger Girl! kissy face!

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (A1MMY)

202 'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"
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the one lying on the bed in with a soiled Depends and skin ulcers...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (KSKy7)

203 Gonna put some Corky's ribs in the oven.

*deep, cleansing breaths*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (1ZOkK)

204 Secondary are his supporters for dragging his ass over the finish line from the primaries while he continued to fail to gain majority support even from his own party.

In favor of WHO? The sixteen who drew even LESS SUPPORT???

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:17 PM (Mt8T4)

205 Trump should just start hammering Cankles. Where are the speech transcripts, landing under sniper fire, Wall street, Goldman Sachs, Benghazi and refusal for security, emails, pay to play, Clinton family crime foundation. It is a target rich environment. Stay on message!

Posted by: Timon at August 10, 2016 07:17 PM (396pH)

206 Trump is a wild card. He might turn out to be the greatest president ever. I don't expect that but I know what Hillz is and Trump won't be worse.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:17 PM (Nwg0u)

207 You want people to vote for Trump out of hatred for Clinton because you're skarred she will win? Acknowledge that maybe some in the media pushed the wrong guy - showed the wrong rallies from start to finish.


WTF???

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:17 PM (8ZskC)

208 willow, how are you doing? How have you been?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 10, 2016 07:17 PM (+eR2D)

209 201
Danger Girl! kissy face!

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (A1MMY)


Hey, I want kissy face, too!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:17 PM (1ZOkK)

210 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (1ZOkK)

Breathe, Jane. Relax, it's early.

Posted by: F.N.G. at August 10, 2016 07:18 PM (kiSdp)

211 So you want people to vote for Trump, counting on him to do something impeachable, hope he actually is impeached, and then thinking that this whole affair will birth some restoration of the Rule of Law?

Is this your argument Ace? I just want to make sure I understand your argument before I respond more fully on it.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 06:59 PM (5115x)

****

Your cheese has slid ALL the way off your cracker.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 07:18 PM (u5E9A)

212 Hold me. I'm skarred.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:18 PM (Mt8T4)

213 So, I know a guy who's go-to guy whenever the guy I know gets in trouble is the number two guy at one of 'Merica's top alphabet agencies. My guy talks to that guy all the time, and has confirmed to me this:

The government at this point is ALL graft, top to bottom. The number two guy at that agency is heavily involved in internationally smuggling [redacted] and [redacted], and makes millions every few months doing that, while also sort-of taking time doing his "real job". Everyone at the top of his agency is doing the same thing.

The rats all know the ship is utterly bankrupt and sinking after this next election, and will be ungovernable, so they are taking everything they can, now, while they have the chance.

It's all over but the Fat Chick Singing for this country.

Posted by: [Nick redacted] at August 10, 2016 07:19 PM (CS7jF)

214 so many new names...

so many trite and tired concerns...


Posted by: redc1c4 at August 10, 2016 07:19 PM (KSKy7)

215 >>Trump is a wild card. He might turn out to be the greatest president ever. I don't expect that but I know what Hillz is and Trump won't be worse.

yep.
Which is why Ace's point is valid.
It is (likey) impossible for Trump to be worse because the Checks and Balances will actually be utilized against a BadTrump.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:19 PM (c1srJ)

216 Damiano,

I think I would blame Trump first, then the media who pushed Trump for months and months.

Suddenly, once he won the nomination beyond all doubts, lo and behold the media become questioning of him! Amazing!

They gave $2 billion in free time to him to build him up, because he was the one Hillary could beat.

Akin Part II.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:19 PM (UBBWX)

217 At least the Trumps are creators. They build things. They LOVE to build things and to talk about the things they build.

What has Hillary created? She's a destroyer. A destroyer of careers. A destroyer of reputations. A destroyer of the dreams and aspirations of millions of Americans.

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 07:19 PM (JBggj)

218 If Cankles was a veggie she would be a phak lueat (Thai). With phak being pronounced in the English language as 'F**k"..........

Posted by: Charles Fox at August 10, 2016 07:19 PM (NuElX)

219 Three way hugs and kissy faces! (((willow))) (((jane)))

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (+eR2D)

220 Posted by: weew at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (6EH85)
I pick the fly. I was bitten by a black widow again. I pick the fly.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (fsFHj)

221 too late, he is the guy. it's him or Hillary.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (A1MMY)

222 America is being divided

That's why we have a Department of "Just Us".

Posted by: t-bird at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (RrDm2)

223 Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (8ZskC)

Point taken Tully, but remember the victor controlled how history was recorded, and after the proscription, there weren't many left who would dare write other than a panegyric regarding Caesar.
There were a few, harmless (hence still extant) old men who remembered what political liberty was.

Posted by: Alamo at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (E/XIS)

224 212
Hold me. I'm skarred.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:18 PM (Mt8T4)


Don't you mean "skeered?" As in, "Shep walked into an outhouse in Mississippi, saw a raccoon, and was skeered shitless."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (1ZOkK)

225 This reality was obvious in every poll since the beginning. Trump's supporters chose to ignore it and insist that everyone was wrong but them. Well, it's turning out exactly as all the numbers said.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:15 PM (71OEY)

Self identified conservatives outnumber EVERY OTHER GROUP! 40%+. Trump reaches out the them, he wins. Independents hate HRC. They like a conservative message. Simple as that.

Posted by: Timon at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (396pH)

226 "It is (likey) impossible for Trump to be worse because the Checks and Balances will actually be utilized against a BadTrump."

I'd prefer Trump over Hillary, but you should be careful assuming checks and balances will magically re-appear.

Maybe the media will do its job.

but that's not a check and balance if its only used against one party.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (UBBWX)

227 Jane, kissy and hugs, afternoon dear.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:20 PM (A1MMY)

228 >>Danger Girl! kissy face!

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (A1MMY)

>>Hey, I want kissy face, too!



Just be quiet Morons...
and don't make any sudden movements!

This. could. get. interesting.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (c1srJ)

229 "And the Republicans are doing absolutely bumkis about this corruption.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party "

We are ruled by The Liberal-RINO Globalist Crime Cabal. ... And people are worried about some turn of phrase from Trump when the USA is being staged for a soft coup and I am not being hyperbolic.

Posted by: DrDeano at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (cP8Yw)

230 Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (A1MMY)
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/me goes and looks for new thread...


Posted by: redc1c4 at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (KSKy7)

231 Three way hugs, DangerGirl and willow!!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (1ZOkK)

232 actually I AM scared .

of Hillary>
and the left staying in power any longer, I've had enough of their freakishness.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (A1MMY)

233 Man who play with Cankle's pussy get stinky finger with Zika.

Posted by: Charles Fox at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (NuElX)

234
Falstaff vs. Lady Macbeth

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True but an anthology incomprehensible to your average Donk.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:09 PM (Nwg0u)
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An analogy, I assume you mean.

How about Lisa Simpson vs Bart?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (5o5ek)

235 I heard that Trump stuck a baby to the windows of Trump Tower with a suction cup.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (LuZz

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LOL!

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (ogaHx)

236 person at 175:

Suppose you're drowning, and I'm standing 10 feet away on the dock, holding a life preserver with a rope. And I stand there and eat a banana while you drown.

Would I then bear any responsibility for your death? Not legally, but morally?

I mean, I didn't actually force any water into your lungs.

Most people would say: Yeah, I'm responsible, and an asshole. Similarly, anyone who doesn't actively help to prevent Hillary's election, and just stands there eating their fucking banana, is partly responsible for her election.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (sgHEm)

237 garret, heck, it's still daywalking time. everyone is safe.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (A1MMY)

238 I'd love to schlong Kirsten Gillibrand with this too.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (r1fLd)

...quick bing image search...
OK
... safe search off....

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (P/kVC)

239 NeverTrump will continue to be relevant as long as its adherents do their best to sabotage his candidacy.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (8ZskC)

Trump is doing a better job of sabotaging himself than anyone could ever dream of. Even his opponent doesn't have to do press or attack him. All she has to do to win is hid from the media as much as possible and allow Trump to continue to beclown himself.

100% of the negative coverage Trump is getting is coming from things he does to himself. Yet you want to blame shadowy forces behind a hash tag.

This is not hit job stuff like Romney giving people cancer, having binders full of women, or refusing to talk to his garbage man. Trump call press conferences, then proceeds to make an ass of himself.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (71OEY)

240 "too late, he is the guy. it's him or Hillary."

Go donate to Trump and make phone calls.

I don't think it matters. I think the media determines winners.

The Never Trump people I really don't like are those in the rightie media now having fun on twitter with the Real Media.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (UBBWX)

241 SMFH, sheesh I'm glad to see, you everything is good i hope

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:23 PM (A1MMY)

242 We could survive another corrupt pol; hell, is there any other kind?

We can't survive the corrupt process. The EPA investigates itself. It also pays greenie lawyers to sue them, then 'settles' out of court. The NLRB is stacked with union lawyers, and issues rule after rule making companies unable to fight unionization.and workers. A Chicago alderman [Ed Burke, 14th] has over 8 million in his campaign account, for a job that pays $117k. TFG and Co. has issued regulations costing over $750 billion (over a 10 year period) during his term; Bush ONLY managed to do about $600 billion in damage during his 2 terms. *Hint -- Them ain't braggin' rights*

World wide economic freedom indices, corrupt practices rating, trust in gubmint -- All in decline for the US.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2016 07:23 PM (gyKtp)

243 235
I heard that Trump stuck a baby to the windows of Trump Tower with a suction cup.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2016 06:42 PM (LuZz




Right after he punched it in the dick and killed its mom!


---- Don Lemon

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:23 PM (1ZOkK)

244 >>I'd prefer Trump over Hillary, but you should be careful assuming checks and balances will magically re-appear.

>Maybe the media will do its job. but that's not a check and balance if its only used against one party.


It's one that WILL NOT EVER be used against Clinton. That is the point of the argument.


Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:23 PM (c1srJ)

245 I really love the most about Cankles is her sexy laugh..............

Posted by: Charles Fox at August 10, 2016 07:23 PM (NuElX)

246 The main thing to remember is that damiano is blameless no matter how much he nevertrumps

Posted by: x at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (nFwvY)

247 This is not hit job stuff like Romney giving people cancer, having binders full of women, or refusing to talk to his garbage man. Trump call press conferences, then proceeds to make an ass of himself.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:22 PM (71OEY)


If you feel this way, go to HuffPo and converse with your fellow travelers.

Posted by: Timon at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (396pH)

248 who are those "wrong people"?
Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 07:07 PM (c6/9Q)

Conservatives....you know, losers like me who worship the Constitution and masturbate to Hayek. People who were wholly committed to the anti-GOPe cause under the obviously mistaken impression that the purpose was to force the GOP to both campaign and govern as conservatives, and not to fuck over important Republican constituencies in the name of perceived electability.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (KF8B+)

249 chemjeff, I explained this argument at 131, and others here have too, probably better.

You're being purposefully obtuse, and argumentative. You're not arguing in good faith.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (sgHEm)

250 Secondary are his supporters for dragging his ass over the finish
line from the primaries while he continued to fail to gain majority
support even from his own party.


No, I think this is an unfair criticism. IMO, per the Federalist article from a few days ago, it is better to understand the Republican Party not as one unified party, but as three warring factions that come together for an uneasy alliance from time to time. Broadly speaking, they are the Nationalist faction (pro-America first and foremost), the Grassroots faction ("movement conservatives"), and the Establishment faction (WSJ/CoC conservatives). The primaries were about which faction could drive as many of their members out to vote to push their faction's preferred candidate over the finish line. To Trump's credit, his faction, the Nationalist faction, was able to do that. His supporters didn't have an obligation during the primaries to vote for someone representing a different faction, and that is fine. The real problem IMO is that the Grassroots faction, the one I most identify with personally, ended up being the smallest one of the three, and for that I have a very big sadz.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (5115x)

251 This is precisely what people don't get. And when most of them do, when they finally admit they've supported subterfuge for the advancement of their personal politics, it will be too late.

There is no room for fan boys and fan girls in politics. We have another name for them, so did Stalin: useful idiots.

Like many decisions in life you have choices. Each one of those choices has certain outcomes you may not like. But to deny one choice is worse than the other is to live in a land of make believe. This is what the never trumpers are trying to do. They are trying to avoid the obvious choices by creating a deflection. But that diversion is nothing more than one of the other choices which exist. They are supporting Clinton but just don't have the guts to state it. So they create their own personal camouflaged excuse for making their choice of Clinton. They are simply too weak to admit it. They are very small cowards and they will continue to deny they are quislings even after their queen is coronated.

I actually have less respect for them then the opposition. Fuck them. May they burn in the shit puddle they've created for every one of us.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (MktOj)

252 The Foundation took on an even darker role when it morphed from Bill's thing to become the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Foundation. From that point -- with Hillary at State -- it was used to pre-game Hillary's campaign and to support an Adminstration-in-Waiting. Among other crimes, it let the Clinton's evade Federal Election Commision restrictions, including donations from foreign interests.

If you step back and behold!, it's actually quite impressive in a way.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (r1fLd)

253 sexypig, i have no money to donate after the irs gets theirs, and I'm not thrilled , but i knew this would be so, because everyone i know is sick of losing their financial asses for the last decade and repubklicans not taking Obama Hillary, holder, etc to task for their malfeasance

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:25 PM (A1MMY)

254 "Obama said Hillary's the most qualified to be President since Jefferson."

The irony is that soon celebrating Jefferson will be as much of a thought crime as Southerners celebrating our ancestral and cultural heritage.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:25 PM (KF8B+)

255 An analogy, I assume you mean.

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Damon autocucumber! Third time today it's screwed me and it wasn't where I expected.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:26 PM (Nwg0u)

256 The Clinton World Crime League is just the biggest toomah on America's cancer-ridden system.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:26 PM (Mt8T4)

257 231 Three way hugs, DangerGirl and willow!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:21 PM (1ZOkK)

Oooo, this is getting good!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 10, 2016 07:26 PM (0mRoj)

258 "NeverTrump will continue to be relevant as long as its adherents do their best to sabotage his candidacy."

Enough of this "stabbed in the back" bullshit.

Trump's decline in the polls always stem from Trump himself:

Mexican judges

Gold star families.

Never Trump has not made a dent compared to these.

Romney's huge speech? a nothing burger.

Trump has fallen from his post convention high also based on his own statements.

Also, he does that when Hillary is getting her worse press. Never Trump didn't do that.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:26 PM (UBBWX)

259 I see that the tedious bores are back. The ones that only show up to talk about this stuff. And only this stuff. Always. And cannot allow any comment to go unaddressed.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2016 07:27 PM (z/Ubi)

260 Remember right after Barry was elected, he said he'd go down in history as one of the Top Five presidents?

We're living in interesting times, and the LIVs and FSA are going to determine our destiny.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:27 PM (1ZOkK)

261 So my sister just told me that she's going to vote for Trump because of this - and she was solidly against him, wasn't going to vote for anybody in the top slot.

Cascade effect? Three cheers for unintended consequences!

Posted by: Joanne at August 10, 2016 07:27 PM (hgBpU)

262 "Obama said Hillary's the most qualified to be President since Jefferson."


Yeah. George Jefferson.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:27 PM (Mt8T4)

263
It really is time for a revolution.

No, I am NOT in no uncertain terms advocating violence in any way, shape or form.

But this cannot go on. It simply cannot, nay MUST not.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:27 PM (9P3OG)

264 Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (sgHEm)

Pasta, that is what I honestly got out of Ace's argument. If I misread it then I apologize for misinterpreting it.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (5115x)

265 Hey willow! Still vertical so all good.

Laughing at the mental image of a dastardly Trump, twirling a long mustache between his fingers, hair weasel flapping in the breeze as he kneels over the ledge of Trump Tower, cackling maniacally as he slaps a baby onto the side of the building, a suction cup away from certain doom...

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (ogaHx)

266 Yeah, I had my way with that rule of law bitch.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (c7vUv)

267 Suppose you're drowning, and I'm standing 10 feet away on the dock, holding a life preserver with a rope. And I stand there and eat a banana while you drown.
....

Hmmm...

You're drowning... because you jumped in water over your head, knowing that you can't swim, while wearing a suit of steel armor with weights tied to your ankles, then- rather than take any of the numerous lines tossed out to you or calm down and allow others to who jumped in to support you, you kick and scream and intentionally try to drown them while asking the person laughing at you and counting in your demise to thrown more weights for you to catch...

Yup. It's all the guys fault standing aside and eating a banana.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (71OEY)

268 Suppose you're drowning, and I'm standing 10 feet away on the dock, holding a life preserver with a rope. And I stand there and eat a banana while you drown.

I got a better one.

You're inside the walls of Vienna in 1529 with the Ottoman army massing outside. You're watching the defenders man the ramparts and barricade the gates, clearly outnumbered. You're overseeing the spectacle from your lounge chair while enjoying a cold one, declining to get involved because you're just not that fond of Vienna anyway.

You think it absolves you when you say, "hey, I'm not going out there to fight on the side of the Ottomans."

That's #NeverTrump

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (8ZskC)

269 >>If you step back and behold!, it's actually quite impressive in a way.


Also an excellent way to avoid inheritance taxes for Chelsea and her demon spawn.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (NOIQH)

270 "sexypig, i have no money to donate after the irs gets theirs, and I'm not thrilled , but i knew this would be so, because everyone i know is sick of losing their financial asses for the last decade and repubklicans not taking Obama Hillary, holder, etc to task for their malfeasance"

Yeah, I donated $700 to Cruz, but I can't do anymore.

GOP has been horrible. This election is going to suck.

Sometimes we need to realize that we personally don't matter: no matter what arguments we make, its a bunch of LIV people who decide it.

(I just like to argue on the internet.)

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (UBBWX)

271 The irony is that soon celebrating Jefferson will be as much of a
thought crime as Southerners celebrating our ancestral and cultural
heritage.
===========

Yep, to be left on the curb with "Jefferson-Jackson" dinners.

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (JBggj)

272 i know I'm not thrilled with Trump, but i saw only cruz as a possible fighter and he just couldn't get enough votes. this is the only other bird we can throw at the shits . and at least he's not afraid to bite back.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (A1MMY)

273 Thomas Jefferson said: "A little revolution every once in awhile is a good thing"...........

Posted by: Charles Fox at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (NuElX)

274 President Trump.


It's gonna happen. Better get used to it.

Posted by: meh at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (bsDXW)

275 We're living in interesting times, and the LIVs and FSA are going to determine our destiny.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:27 PM (1ZOkK)


I never really wanted to live in interesting times, but here I am.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (+eR2D)

276 Ace wisely observes we are living in the end times of the US Republic. Here is how the fundamental transformation ends:

1. In her first 100 days, Hillary enacts a "bipartisan" Amnesty based on Rubio-Schumer S.744 from 2013. 12M (really more) fiat citizens are created out of thin, illegal air. Amnesty enables (per the CBO) each one to bring an average of 3.2 people here from their homelands.

Do the math: 50M new Fiat-American voters, most of whom are dependent on government, are manufactured. Our Liberal-RINO Globalist Overlords are cemented into power leaving no means to remove them. At least no democratic means.

Paul Ryan brings Hillary TPP and TiSA (worse than TPP) "free-trade in highly mobile global labor" treaties which she signs.

Done and done. The Republic is 'stick a fork in it' dead.

Posted by: DrDeano at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (cP8Yw)

277 Jane, I just went back and read what you are worrying about.

It's probably just a HIPAA thing. If you don't tell the doctor ahead of time, or in writing, that they can leave details about your test results on the phone, they are not legally allowed to do so.
Because someone else might hear it.

Also, tell whoever does your blood test next time that you want a copy of your results sent directly to you.

Posted by: @votermom at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (7lVbc)

278 They are supporting Clinton but just don't have the guts to state it.

Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (5115x)

279 ??You're inside the walls of Vienna in 1529 with the Ottoman army massing outside. You're watching the defenders man the ramparts and barricade the gates, clearly outnumbered. You're overseeing the spectacle from your lounge chair while enjoying a cold one, declining to get involved because you're just not that fond of Vienna anyway.

What about the banana?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

280 Hillary needs to be hammered on her failing health. She is not well, and nobody should be forced to endure her nasty, angry America-hating lunacy.

Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (WYh6/)

281 I would vote for Jenjis Kahn before Shillary. At least I know it would be a straight up fight if he was elected.

Posted by: Javems at August 10, 2016 07:31 PM (yOqwj)

282 So where can I buy Value-Rite Vodka futures? Asking for a friend, of course.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at August 10, 2016 07:31 PM (SUtNI)

283 What about the banana?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

I think Gary Johnson is the banana. I might be confused.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:31 PM (mFkVC)

284 Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?

---

No

Posted by: waffler at August 10, 2016 07:31 PM (bsDXW)

285 sexypig, i look at this election as a big sick joke but at least i can laugh this time around at the absurdity of it all.

keep chin up, no use wacking our allies , maybe we can gain a little time and learn to fight back and bring the country back from the brink.. hopes but not really convinced.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:31 PM (A1MMY)

286 Does anyone know if Candles is "Hung Well".

Posted by: Charles Fox at August 10, 2016 07:31 PM (NuElX)

287 You're inside the walls of Vienna in 1529 with the Ottoman army massing outside.

Actually, it is more like ISIS vs. Assad in Syria. You want them both to lose.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (5115x)

288 274 President Trump.

It's gonna happen. Better get used to it.
Posted by: meh at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (bsDXW)


G-d willing and . . . G-d help us.

We'll have a lot of work to do with him, and I look forward to it since the alternative will be unbearable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (9P3OG)

289 ChemJeff :

You're being purposefully obtuse, and argumentative. You're not arguing in good faith
-------------------------------------------

Pasta, that is what I honestly got out of Ace's argument

-----------------------------------------

I can imagine a reality in which both of these statements are true.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (pPTJ4)

290 Damiano, I agree with you: If Trump loses, Trump is mainly to blame; and then secondarily to blame, are the people that forced this flawed nominee onto us.

But: I'll still vote for him. I'm even going to send him some money.

And I suspect that you'll vote for him too.

And then if he loses, you and I will rip into every AlwaysTrump guy here, and tear them a new asshole. Or: If Trump wins, and nominates his liberal sister for SCOTUS -- again, new asshole, ripped.

How's that sound?

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (sgHEm)

291 'Goodnight, Vienna' - Ringo Starr 1974

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (c1srJ)

292 Maybe the Trump campaign should get someone to climb to the roof of the Clinton Library and announce that they have video message for Hillary.

Maybe the girl who was raped when she was 12 until she had to have stitches in her vagina would have something to say. You know the one who's rapist was defended by and got off with a light sentence due to the actions of then Attorney Hillary 'Champion of Womynz" Clinton?

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (zu88C)

293 278 They are supporting Clinton but just don't have the guts to state it.

Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (5115x)


Trump is unacceptable AND our only alternative.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (9P3OG)

294 >>>Yeah. George Jefferson.<<<

Wasn't Wheezy plagued by a chronic cough?

Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (WYh6/)

295 but i saw only cruz as a possible fighter

-
Don't think the media wouldn't be Trumping Cruz and don't think the GOPers would be supporting Cruz. They hate him more than Trump.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:34 PM (Nwg0u)

296 Anyone watching Jeopardy? Geeze I despise that guy on the left.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 10, 2016 07:34 PM (J3phO)

297 294 >>>Yeah. George Jefferson.

Wasn't Wheezy plagued by a chronic cough?
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (WYh6/)


ISWYDT.


Or Wheezer?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:34 PM (9P3OG)

298 >>If Hillary does something illegal, she'll get away with it, because the
press, FBI, etc will cover for her, as they are now, as they have for
Obama.


Hillary would be damn near bulletproof.

Not only first woman president, but she's just triumphed over the FBI --- consider being a federal agent contemplating being a whistleblower against Hillary now. That goes double after Seth Rich's murder. It's career suicide if not literal suicide.

And also, Bill was impeached. Imagine how worried the GOP would be of the optics of impeaching a second Clinton - they would be scared of proving they are a "vast right-wing conspiracy" (because you know the MSM would run with that narrative for her).

Posted by: Lizzy at August 10, 2016 07:34 PM (NOIQH)

299 "Frankly, I think many of these GOPe #NeverTrumpers are just concerned that Trump might interfere with their graft."

Name names.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:16 PM (UBBWX)


John McCain: that fcvker has had sticky fingers since the Keating Five scandal decades ago.

Oh, by the way, GFY

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 10, 2016 07:34 PM (5Yee7)

300 >>Trump is unacceptable AND our only alternative.


Vote Trump!

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:34 PM (c1srJ)

301 Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 07:26 PM (UBBWX)

Horse shit...

The reason those became 'reasonable' attacks on Trump were the bipartisan nature of those attacks!

The Gold Star crap is just that... crap.... but the Media AND Never Trumpers made it into a huge story... the media by being their normal selves... and the NeverTrumpers by agreeing WITH the attack... thus validating the bogus media attack.

Posted by: Don Quixote at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (qf6WZ)

302 And, Pastafarian, how dare you use that nick here when I am now on a low-carb diet!

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (5115x)

303 "I'm going to modify my prior post slightly.

If Trump loses, he is the primary person responsible.

Secondary are his supporters for dragging his ass over the finish line from the primaries while he continued to fail to gain majority support even from his own party. "

Meh, I would also give a small portion of the blame to #NeverTrump for making an extremely unlikely win all but impossible, as well as much of it to the GOPe for radicalizing so many people beyond the point of rationality in the first place.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (KF8B+)

304 Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (5115x)

*****
Sure. Your numbers are so small as to be insignificant. Please, for the love of all that is Holy, stop fucking telling us about it and cast your vote for Johnson or Stein.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (u5E9A)

305 Actually, it is more like ISIS vs. Assad in Syria. You want them both to lose.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (5115x)



What a great analogy. You're right. And you are choosing to side with those "moderate" rebels. Who then promptly turn over all the support you gave them to ISIS. Good job, you big hero you.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (z/Ubi)

306
Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?
----------------
Only if the person has the judgement and intellectual reasoning skills of a squashed gnat.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (zu88C)

307 If only Kasich could have won the GOP nomination!

Posted by: #NeverTrump at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (8ZskC)

308 Conservatives....you know, losers like me who
worship the Constitution and masturbate to Hayek. People who were
wholly committed to the anti-GOPe cause under the obviously mistaken
impression that the purpose was to force the GOP to both campaign and
govern as conservatives, and not to fuck over important Republican
constituencies in the name of perceived electability.





Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:24 PM (KF8B+)
oh, oki would suggest turning TV off , throwing away news print and streaming trump's speeches live

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (c6/9Q)

309 This is worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcEnRu-hY8

Posted by: Off the reservation at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (bkEY6)

310 0h smfh, that's an amazing picture to put imn my head. glad to see you on this side of the ground of course and hope life is treating you and yours kindly

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (A1MMY)

311 So, we're in pre- Communist USSA?

/feel sorry for everyone who has kids right now. Don't know if I could cope, knowing that there was a huge possibility that my kids would have a much lower standard of life.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 10, 2016 07:37 PM (tvyXw)

312 You know what- keep up the deflection. You keep telling yourself that the never trumpers are something more than a bunch of treacherous cowards who are helping Clinton. When she gets elected because the margiins are so thin and every amount of support so important, keep telling yourself that had nothing to do with it.

Me? I've been sitting here watching my friends, neighbors and family suffer under this regime. So I'm gonna blame you with the rest of the communists and anti democratic forces. You are the enemy as much as them. My memory is long and buttressed by watching my families future and freedoms slipping away. When we get more executive orders, more democratic subterfuge and corruption from the bureaucracy, more undermining iof the constitution by unelected judges, my hate, my determination to destroy their subterfuge will burn just as white hot for you.

You may think this is going away. It isn't. You've shown who you really are. You are part of the problem that needs to be wiped from the earth and I'm going to make it my mission in life and that of my family to wipe it out and restore some measure of freedom and liberty to our country.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 07:37 PM (MktOj)

313 "Trump is unacceptable AND our only alternative."
-Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (9P3OG)

...and it all comes down to ^THIS^

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 07:37 PM (6gk0M)

314 There will never be another independent counsel grant, either D or R. Republicans can simply point to Hillary and say, nope, if it wasn't necessary for her, it is unnecessary for anything we could do.

Simple as that.

Posted by: JeffreyL at August 10, 2016 07:37 PM (M0TCd)

315 yeah yeah yeah , jeff .


Trump is Hitler and ISIS and fucking Joseph Stalin.


For such a purported highbrow, analytical intellectual , you really have only one note.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:38 PM (zu88C)

316 Damiano at 267:

So you'd watch a man die, and not help him, because you thought he made foolish choices?

Pretty cold, dude. Remind me not to invite you to any of my cocktail/swim parties. Because bad choices will be made, and ropes will need to be thrown.

And here's one flaw in my analogy: That guy that's going to drown while you eat your banana? He's dragging all of us down with him, including you. Hope it's a really good banana.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:38 PM (sgHEm)

317 If only there had been some way to predict Hillary Clinton would be the Democrat nominee in 2016.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 10, 2016 07:38 PM (fn3+8)

318
It's probably just a HIPAA thing. If you don't
tell the doctor ahead of time, or in writing, that they can leave
details about your test results on the phone, they are not legally
allowed to do so.

Because someone else might hear it.



Also, tell whoever does your blood test next time that you want a copy of your results sent directly to you.

Posted by: @votermom at August 10, 2016 07:29 PM (7lVbc)


I filled out 30 min. worth of paperwork, and gave them permission to tell my husband anything and leave results on my phone.

This medical group is yuuge and I hate it. My husband has been going there for years and is okay with them.

I've never seen a fatter bunch of staff/nurses in my life, yet my skelator doc was all, "You could lose about 15 lbs." Which I'm in the process of doing.

Douchebag.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:38 PM (1ZOkK)

319 "Obama said Hillary's the most qualified to be President since Jefferson."

Starship or Airplane? In either case, I'd still have to disagree with him.

Posted by: t-bird at August 10, 2016 07:38 PM (OLNwX)

320 at least erg shoves fruit up his ass for our entertainment.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:38 PM (zu88C)

321 No exaggeration to say if it weren't for double standards The institutional left would have no standards at all.

Posted by: Shiggz at August 10, 2016 07:39 PM (G7wcY)

322 Well, hello there First Name Guy. Aren't you a handsome devil?
Trump punched me.

Posted by: Dick at August 10, 2016 07:39 PM (LdMbv)

323 yes, they would attack cruz with everything they could think of true or not. just as they did Romney or anyone not left. or under an r.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:39 PM (A1MMY)

324 Cicero at 268: Yep, you're right, that's a much better analogy.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:39 PM (sgHEm)

325 You're inside the walls of Vienna in 1529 with the Ottoman army massing outside. You're watching the defenders man the ramparts and barricade the gates, clearly outnumbered. You're overseeing the spectacle from your lounge chair while enjoying a cold one, declining to get involved because you're just not that fond of Vienna anyway.

You think it absolves you when you say, "hey, I'm not going out there to fight on the side of the Ottomans."

That's #NeverTrump

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (8ZskC)


More.... the Never Trumpers are inside Vienna, telling everyone around them 'you know... those Ottomans have some very legitimate grievences...'

Posted by: Don Quixote at August 10, 2016 07:39 PM (qf6WZ)

326 165 trump has yet to use our assets to further his foundations and let them be killed when their usefulness is more than their financial or political value.

trump has yet to start wars and part out countries assets for political and financial gain.

Trump hasn't left his chosen ambassadors and assistants die because of hidden agendas and gun running to terrorists.

trump hasn't loaded up Mexican cartels and gangs with guns 'fast and furious' to help use death and destruction to undermine Our rights in America.
Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 07:08 PM (A1MMY)


Well said, willow.

Anybody who would consider voting for Pantsuit Stalin badly needs to have their moral compass recalibrated.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 07:40 PM (sdi6R)

327 >>>They are supporting Clinton but just don't have the guts to state it.

Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?
Posted by: chemjeff

Chemjeff, let me ask you this.

Be completely honest.

How many leftwing blogs are you posting on to criticize Clinton and demoralize her supporters?

Is that number zero?

So you tell me: In what sense are you completely neutral in this when the only affirmative actions you take to reduce a candidate's chances of winning are taken against Trump?

Ben Shapiro is fond of saying "I'm against both."

Oh, okay Ben.

How many leftwing readers are you convincing to vote some third party, I wonder?

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that your readership is 98% Republican, and the 2% of Democrats reading you are *encouraged* to vote for Clinton by the fact that "even conservative commentator Ben Shapiro finds Trump completely unacceptable; ergo, my choice for Hillary is validated and affirmed."

Sorry, NeverTrump people -- despite your claiming to be against "both candidates," I only see you badmouthing one.

In fact, on Twitter the other day, I criticized the media for throwing open-ended softball questions at hIllary.

Howard Kurtz (perhaps having read me, perhaps not) said the exact same thing.

So did LIBERAL commentator Krystal Ball.

You know what the NeverTrump people did? They said I was wrong for criticizing the media's performance with Hillary, and that she got a good grilling.

So you tell me: Are NeverTrumpers really "against both candidates"? If so, why the knee-jerk reflex to defend THE MEDIA against what even liberals like Krystal Ball admitted was a softball treatment of Hillary?

I'm going to need some proof you're "against both candidates" beyond your simple assertion you are. Please link all the leftwing blogs you're posting derogatory stuff about Hillary are.

I'll wait.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:41 PM (dciA+)

328 I'm still interested in who Prick Wilson ever worked for and why no one seems to know.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:41 PM (Mt8T4)

329 Corruption by and from the democrat party since Bill was president is the biggest threat to the country and it has gotten progressively worse since Clinton. The rule of law stopped applying to the highest ranking democrats and Trump is our last hope of getting it back, but there is no guarantee Trump will restore it.

Posted by: Locke Common at August 10, 2016 07:41 PM (Mruaf)

330 You're inside the walls of Vienna in 1529 with the
Ottoman army massing outside. You're watching the defenders man the
ramparts and barricade the gates, clearly outnumbered. You're
overseeing the spectacle from your lounge chair while enjoying a cold
one, declining to get involved because you're just not that fond of
Vienna anyway.



You think it absolves you when you say, "hey, I'm not going out there to fight on the side of the Ottomans."



That's #NeverTrump

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:28 PM (8ZskC)


#NeverTrump are the ones prancing around with a megaphone declaring that Vienna deserves to lose, but they are neutral.

The guy in the lounger is merely worthless.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 07:42 PM (P/kVC)

331 If Trump loses blame the MFM and Never Trumpers. Hillary is the worst candidate since....well can't think of another one.

Posted by: Javems at August 10, 2016 07:42 PM (yOqwj)

332 Trump is unacceptable AND our only alternative.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (9P3OG)
-----------------

Conservatives - or anyone who doesn't support an authoritarian government - lost the election in Indiana. There were almost 15 candidates (give or take a couple) who might have had some chance of advancing some tiny bit of the Conservative agenda. Trump beat them.

The general election is just a cruel epilogue. Both candidates will be terrible in different ways, and its an open question as to which will do more lasting damage to Conservatism. The only thing Constitutionalists can do is try and save what they can to fight again another day.

Trump fans like to argue they are being realistic and clear eyed in making the election a binary. To me, the realistic and clear-eyed appraisal is that the meaningful election - the choice between competing sets of ideas - is over until 2018.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:42 PM (mFkVC)

333 Young veterans my son's age (he's 26 now) who've served in combat, and have been promoted to lead others (NCO) are WAY more informed than the idiots son is going to university with. The Special Snowflakes.

Sadly, the Snowflakes find my son and his fellow student/vet buddies "scary" and they'll be voting for the Hell Beast.

I dream of our son falling in love with a great girl, and having a child or three. What kind of country are we leaving them, chemjeff?]/b]

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (1ZOkK)

334 >>So did LIBERAL commentator Krystal Ball.


Who I would bang like a gong while listening to T.Rex.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (c1srJ)

335 test

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (1ZOkK)

336 Trump is unacceptable AND our only alternative."

-Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (9P3OG)



...and it all comes down to ^THIS^
---

Serious, non-trolling question here.

WHAT exactly makes Trump unacceptable?

What exactly has he done that is offensive and/or illegal?

If it's only "he has a big mouth," well, we currently have a Preezy that thinks we have 57 states, "corpseman," thinks Austrian is a language, talks about his Muslim faith, says the police are always wrong and enjoys personally killing people via drone. Yet no one says HE is unacceptable.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (tvyXw)

337 You know how Hillary will run the country, dealings will be under the table, her cronies will all get goverment jobs and or contracts. Any of her supposed public messages will be scrubbed just as she did as Bill was governor and she continued as SoS. She is telling you she will legalize illegals and will fight to repeal the 2nd Amendment and change Citizens United. People will die as she abandons operations that will prove to be a embarrassment, leftist in general and she is one are anti military, pro global warming, pro abortion, and she in particular is pro BLM.
No you can't tell me you have no idea how she will govern, she has a very long record that tells you everything.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (bksJQ)

338 A group of 10 frat boys are at the lake getting drunk.

4 of them dare a guy who can't swim to try to swim across the lake because he's awesome. He responds, "Hold my beer and watch this". The 5 remaining say repeatedly, "This really isn't a good idea. He can't swim and he's drunk". The 4 insist that he'll figure it out because he's awesome and call the 5 guys a bunch of pussies.

The guy jumps in the lake, flails around, and starts drowning. The 4 continue to shout, "He's awesome!". 4 of the 5 grudgingly make various attempts to save the drowning guy. Some shout, "Dude, at least let go of the keg you carried with you". Others throw him lines. Others swim out to try to help him and he screams at them to leave him alone and intentionally tries to drown them.

One of the 5 walks away and says. Fuck this. I want no part of it.

Meanwhile, there's another frat yelling stupid advice to the drowning guy and he does everything they tell him and dozens more things that are worse.

After the police drag the corpse out of the lake, the 4 guys all blame the guy that warned them the drowned guy couldn't swim, especially while drunk, and walked away wanting no part of the outcome after watching all advice get refused and all help rewarded with scorn.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:44 PM (71OEY)

339 Life is what it is, willow.

Kids and grandbabies are doing fine.

chemjeff, fine, you're not voting for Trump.

Fact is, Her Shrillness or Trump will be president.

Neither of the third party candidates have an ice cube's chance in hell winning the presidency.

No one likes the options, but it is what it is.

The kind of country that my children and grandchildren will inherit after Cankles gets done with it is too horrific to contemplate.

Trump isn't much better, but there is some slim hope he'll choose people who have some lick of sense.

There is none of that hope with that bitch.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 07:44 PM (ogaHx)

340 I'm going to need some proof you're "against both candidates" beyond your simple assertion you are. Please link all the leftwing blogs you're posting derogatory stuff about Hillary are.

I'll wait.

--------

Bravo

Posted by: waffler at August 10, 2016 07:44 PM (bsDXW)

341 Hey it is a given..it is Obvious that treason is prospering with Hillary in the lead to promote MORE treason......but...what about DJT and my baby's punched dick?

Posted by: DJT dick punched my baby at August 10, 2016 07:44 PM (AV4JD)

342 'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"
Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2016 07:10 PM (JBggj)


Habichuelas

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (ry34m)

343 Read everything in this little essay and then explain to me how anyone is going to stop the absolute juggernaut of election fraud that will occur in November, as is very likely occurring right now.

The DOJ is very obviously co-opted to the democrat candidate. The FEC has only referred cases to the DOJ 44 times in its entire history. The DOJ, of course would just decline any prosecution. Hell, the DOJ actually dismisses cases it wins (the New Black Panther intimidation case from Phila) if it's politically expedient.

Bottom line...and I've said it a number of times...the election fraud this time around will be out in the open, blatant, and actually spiteful. They will laugh at you while they do it...and there won't be a damn thing anyone can do about it. To quote Gore..."No controlling legal authority." We're fucked.

Posted by: Orson at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (pY0li)

344 -Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (tvyXw)

He's not a conservative. There were better options. It didn't go my way. Any further argument would be sour grapes at this point.

...I'll choose not to entertain it further.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (6gk0M)

345
You're watching the defenders man the ramparts and barricade the gates, clearly outnumbered. You're overseeing the spectacle from your lounge chair while enjoying a cold one, declining to get involved because you're just not that fond of Vienna anyway.

Hey I'm gaurding the beer cooler.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (lKyWE)

346 333 Young veterans my son's age (he's 26 now) who've served in combat, and have been promoted to lead others (NCO) are WAY more informed than the idiots son is going to university with. The Special Snowflakes.

Sadly, the Snowflakes find my son and his fellow student/vet buddies "scary" and they'll be voting for the Hell Beast.

I dream of our son falling in love with a great girl, and having a child or three. What kind of country are we leaving them, chemjeff?]/b]
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (1ZOkK)

---

^^^^This

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (ogaHx)

347 So...have you looked around to determine who will be in your underground cell?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (r65B3)

348 >>I'll wait.


Posted by: ace


Threadwinner

Posted by: Lizzy at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (NOIQH)

349 >>WHAT exactly makes Trump unacceptable?


He's not a Conservative.
Period.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:46 PM (c1srJ)

350

@327

Personally, I see no point to going into the Lion's Den and attempting to persuade the Lions to become vegetarians. It just seems counter productive.

If you can get them young enough, you might be able to reprogam them into being very large kitty cats. And people tell me that I am naive to even think that.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 07:46 PM (pPTJ4)

351 Daimano,

Great hypothetical. Here's a hypothetical -- how many leftwing blogs are you posting derogatory stuff about Hillary clinton on?

If the answer is "zero" -- as I strongly suspect it is -- how can you maintain your claim you're just a neutral in this fight?

A lot of NeverTrumpers swear they're also NeverHillary IN THEIR HEARTS.

Well I can't look within your hearts, boys. I can only see your words and your actions, out here in the real world. You know, where things actually count.

And what i see are people whose words and actions are NeverTrump, *exclusively*, and are even sometimes supportive of Hillary (she won't be that bad! We can survive her!).

Words and deeds, guys. I'm tired of hearing about your hidden internal intentions.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:47 PM (dciA+)

352 I'm still interested in who Prick Wilson ever worked for and why no one seems to know.

-
Prick Wilson. Wasn't he that guy in a dress who was all the devil made me do it?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 10, 2016 07:47 PM (Nwg0u)

353 Here's what Trump actually said:
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks" Trump said, adding: "Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

How does all of MSM find this to be an implicit call to assassinate Hillary?

I heard a call to political action, which we've seen before with the 2nd Amendment crowd. Has there been a single case in recent memory of a pro-gunner using violence for political ends?

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:47 PM (r1fLd)

354 Trump is unacceptable

-------

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


The only 'unacceptable' that I can see is that pant-suit-wearing , commie-licking, Constitution-destroying, murderous bitch, wannabe-dictator hell beast becoming President of the United States that she so desperately wants to destroy.

THAT is unacceptable. Nothing else.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:47 PM (zu88C)

355 He's not a Conservative.
Period.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:46 PM (c1srJ)

*****
I have never seen anyone here claim that he was. So.....what's the next move, given the slate of candidates?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 07:47 PM (u5E9A)

356 nevertrump has a pronounced and conspicuous lack of moral clarity

at best they're borderline sociopaths

scary scary

Posted by: happyfeet at August 10, 2016 07:48 PM (mLfQi)

357 They are not against "both" Ace, and clowns like chemjeff know it.

They are cowards who don't even possess the temerity to admit it. They are the worst part of a weakling. The part that acts in a manner meant to disguise their motives in order to mislead and misdirect.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 07:48 PM (MktOj)

358 Actually, it is more like ISIS vs. Assad in Syria. You want them both to lose.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:32 PM (5115x)

But that will not happen. One will win.

Try to be realistic, and stop squandering the good will and camaraderie that you have built here over the last years.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 10, 2016 07:48 PM (Zu3d9)

359 Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:44 PM (71OEY)

Your analogy to the current situation is flawed...

Because the 5 guys who said he'd never make it are not walking away...

They are on the shore actively telling him he can't make... and that he doesn't deserve to make it... that he is unworthy because of his character flaws...

Those would be the Never Trumpers...


I have no problem with those who do not want to support Trump....

I do have a problem with those who are supposedly on the Right, actively working against him.

Posted by: Don Quixote at August 10, 2016 07:48 PM (qf6WZ)

360 45% in the primaries, Damiano, not 40%. At least try to be honest.

Posted by: Afroman at August 10, 2016 07:49 PM (YhvyR)

361 oh, oki would suggest turning TV off , throwing away news print and streaming trump's speeches live
Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 07:35 PM (c6/9Q)

Sure man, that's the reason.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:50 PM (KF8B+)

362 Oooh...just got a robo-push-poll!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (Zu3d9)

363 He's unacceptable because he's not a conservative (or even a Republican) but he gets my vote because he's our ONLY option.

Exactly as Sefton stated.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (c1srJ)

364 Person, you seem to forget the Supreme Court. If Her Heinous is elected she will get at least a couple of picks. It will be like the JEF's promise that if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor. But in her case, if you like the Second Amendment, you can keep your Second Amendment, or if you like your First Amendment, you can keep that too. Remember that one of the planks of the Democratic Convention was to criminalize people who deny climate change.

Posted by: Old Blue at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (9iR5/)

365
Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:41 PM (dciA+)

You are right, ace, that I don't post on leftwing blogs.

But I'll do better than that. In my life I have only ever voted for one Democrat, and that was for a local small town mayor, with whom I had a personal friendship, and was not a stark raving lunatic proggie. Every other single election, from school board to President, has been for either a Republican or a Libertarian. Every one. And I have zero intention of starting to vote for Democrats now.

I think that says a lot more than posting useless comments on message boards.

You know what I honestly want out of this election, Ace? For a third party to become viable somehow. Right now it looks like it is the Libertarian Party, even though I don't think much of Johnson/Weld either, they are rather piss-poor facsimiles of libertarians. But I would like the right, generally speaking, to move in a more libertarian direction, and that only *seriously* happens when a third party becomes momentarily strong in the course of national politics, and one of the two major parties moves in to scoop up that substantial chunk of voters.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (5115x)

366 343
Bottom line...and I've said it a number of times...the election fraud this time around will be out in the open, blatant, and actually spiteful. They will laugh at you while they do it...and there won't be a damn thing anyone can do about it. To quote Gore..."No controlling legal authority." We're fucked.
Posted by: Orson at August 10, 2016 07:45 PM (pY0li)


I agree with you, and I've said it a number of times as well.

Trump is the only candidate who might call attention to it. The GOPe never has and never will, because "civility".

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 07:52 PM (sdi6R)

367 Being offended by Trump , bothered by Trump , annoyed by Trump, disgusted with Trump and unhappy with Trump does NOT make him " unacceptable" .

Just means you hate him. Fine. Rock on.

Opinions are easily wiped away with toilet paper. Clintons crimes and treason are REAL.


Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:52 PM (zu88C)

368 "They are cowards who don't even possess the temerity to admit it."

Admit what? What's "cowardly" when I vote Republican down-ballot and leave the Presidential bubble blank?

Posted by: DOBSON at August 10, 2016 07:52 PM (BXcJU)

369 >>>I have no problem with those who do not want to support Trump....

I do have a problem with those who are supposedly on the Right, actively working against him.

...

I don't even have a problem with the latter. People's consciences direct them in different ways. Trump has certainly done his level best to alienate a big block of the GOP.

I don't mind that some Republicans have now decided they are supporting a Democrat for president. People are allowed to make different calls.

I mind the fact that they won't admit -- both to the world at large and more importantly *to themselves* -- that that's what they've decided.

A difficult decision should be made with eyes open and with honesty, especially to oneself. All these cavalier evasions -- Jonah Goldberg saying that NeverTrump has NO influence on the election so why blame them-- despite the fact that every day I get a solicitation from Jack Fowler telling me ohw critical NRO is in shaping public opinion.

Just be honest with yourselves, please. And then, to the world outside.

it's a tough choice and it shouldn't be made into an easy one with glib bullshit like "I can agitate against Trump all day and that IN NO WAY helps Hilllary Clinton."

Of course it does. Of course it does.

Are we not adults here? Are we children, running from our own actions?

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:53 PM (dciA+)

370 A DCCC push-poll trashing my excellent congressman.

Of course, I am a woman of color, so maybe that will help them with their poll.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 10, 2016 07:53 PM (Zu3d9)

371 Person is

(X) a troll
( ) not a troll

Posted by: at at at at at August 10, 2016 07:53 PM (EdXI9)

372 You know what I honestly want out of this election, Ace? For a third party to become viable somehow.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (5115x)



And until then you'll tear down the only viable alternative to Hillary. Unh-huh. Got it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:53 PM (8ZskC)

373 Hell, we're going to lose the *THIRD* amendment if she wins.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 10, 2016 07:54 PM (dZ756)

374 DOBSON is right!

Posted by: Larry at August 10, 2016 07:54 PM (8ZskC)

375 Do you think it is possible for a person, with all sincerity and honesty, to find both Trump and Hillary to be unacceptable?


Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:30 PM (5115x)

Given that they are not identical twins they are not equal.
Unless one has a naively simplistic definition of 'unacceptable' I doubt any sincere and honest person can find both equally unacceptable.

Right now there are surely many Bernbots who find both 'unacceptable', but in their decision matrix Hills is less unacceptable.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 07:54 PM (P/kVC)

376 A President Hillary will build on the foundation laid by Obama and progressive predecessors.

Here's an example. She's said if Congress won't give her Comprehensive Immigration Reform (read: amenesty) she'll do it by executive order. She'll appoint a fifth SCOTUS vote and get it upheld.

Rinse and repeat.

And you think Trump will be the authoritarian?

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 07:54 PM (r1fLd)

377 >>>
I think that says a lot more than posting useless comments on message boards.

um no not really jeff. Voting takes a half an hour, one day, every two years. You spend an hour a day here agitating against Trump. I'd say the latter represents a lot more commitment and is a better indicator of your intentions.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:54 PM (dciA+)

378 >>> WHAT exactly makes Trump unacceptable?
....

1. He has consistently failed to come up with any reasonable or even thoughtful answer to any question directly related to the responsibilities of POTUS
2. When asked for details on his own proposals, he is, at best, inconsistent and contradictory and, at worst, appears confused and unaware of what is being asked
3. Absolutely none of his proposals reduce the size and scope of government. All of them increase both while vastly swelling unfunded liabilities
4. When asked how his ideas will be funded, if not point 2, he makes cop out claims of "waste fraud and abuse" and alleges that someone else will pay for things.
5. Prior to 2012 or so, he supported Obama and has supported the Clintons since the 1990s
6. Even if you disagree with all of the above and support all his ideas... absolutely none of his proposals or ideas fall within the scope of "Preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution" or the defined powers of POTUS.

A friend used to joke about always saying positive things about people, such as "He's not twins and he's not married to my sister". In Trump's case, he's got those two going for him plus "He's not Hillary Clinton".

Remove those three things and there really isn't anything positive to say about him.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:55 PM (71OEY)

379 But I would like the right, generally speaking, to move in a more libertarian direction, and that only *seriously* happens when a third party becomes momentarily strong in the course of national politics, and one of the two major parties moves in to scoop up that substantial chunk of voters.

That 'substantial chunk of voters' is dwarfed by the 50 million devotees of socialism and feudalism of the third world shitholes that will become citizens in Hillary's First 100 Days.

The two parties will move hard Left to try to own the most of that crowd.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 07:55 PM (v9gSJ)

380
DOJ

Defending the
Oligarchy's
Jurisdictions

Posted by: eesh, that sounded a little too Bernie at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (H9MG5)

381 Damiano, you're right -- after that guy drowns, the others shouldn't blame the one guy that walked away.

And you're right -- they probably will blame him.

But: If I'm that fifth guy, I don't walk away, even if there are 4 others trying to save him, even if I told him in advance not to dive in. Even if I think he brought it on himself.

I'm going to try to save him. Wouldn't you too?

Yep, the AlwaysTrump guys will blame us, if Trump loses. (I was one of the last of the holdouts hoping for a brokered convention.) They shouldn't, but they will. But that's not going to prevent me from voting Trump.

It's not going to prevent you from voting Trump, will it?

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (sgHEm)

382 364 Person, you seem to forget the Supreme Court. If Her Heinous is elected she will get at least a couple of picks. It will be like the JEF's promise that if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor. But in her case, if you like the Second Amendment, you can keep your Second Amendment, or if you like your First Amendment, you can keep that too. Remember that one of the planks of the Democratic Convention was to criminalize people who deny climate change.
Posted by: Old Blue at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (9iR5/)

No, I remember the Supreme Court. It is one of the tragedies of this election. But it's gone. The pro-choice millionaire who is totally unconcerned with Federalism and wants as much power as possible concentrated in the executive - the guy with the bad opinions on Kelo, the guy who doesn't care if he has a GOP Senate - is not going to spend a single iota of political capital on good Constitutionalist judges.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (mFkVC)

383 You know what I want? A PONY!!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (8ZskC)

384 >>>You know what I honestly want out of this election, Ace? For a third party to become viable somehow. Right now it looks like it is the Libertarian Party, even though I don't think much of Johnson/Weld either, they are rather piss-poor facsimiles of libertarians.

and I'd like a candidate with Cruz's brain stuck into the body of someone with John Thune's looks.

We can play pretend games like little children or we can be men and admit the actual choice in front of us.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (dciA+)

385 They are cowards who don't even possess the temerity to admit it.

The cowardly thing to do would just be to go along with the herd in order to just get along.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (5115x)

386 chemjeff, I think Ace posed a question to you respectfully. I'm interested in your answer. I gave your conscientious objections to Trump the benefit of the doubt up until you posted a contorted defense on the blog on the thread Ace put up where you defended Hilary and the rapist that brutally violated a 12 yr old girl to the point that he damaged her body so much that he left her needing stitches and unable to bear children.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 10, 2016 07:57 PM (6IPEM)

387
and I'd like a candidate with Cruz's brain stuck into the body of someone with John Thune's looks.-- ace


And Jon Voight's voice.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:57 PM (1ZOkK)

388
Trump isn't a conservative is a reason to give Hillary the reins?

You would rather die on a that hill and let Hillary fill the country with illegals that will vote Democrat forever--- which means that there will NEVER be another non-Democrat president-- rather than consider Trump?

You'd rather risk your kids future and by your actions, give them a USA that is fundamentally different than what the founding fathers envisioned because you will not support a less than ideal candidate?

Really?

How about this scenario:

You are having a heart attack and need open heart surgery immediately or you will die.

You have a choice of two surgeons:

1. Surgeon A, who has literally killed almost a hundred patients, and seems to be mentally incompetent as well as physically ill.

2. Surgeon B, who doesn't have as many known heart surgery patients, but has been a surgeon for a long time, has no known fatalities and seems competent as well as healthy, albeit a bit outspoken.

Who are you going to choose?

Right now, you're saying "I'll wait for Surgeon C from Johns Hopkins, although I don't know if he'll ever show up."'

And you'll die, waiting for the Surgeon C who will never arrive.


Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (tvyXw)

389 Hitler hated juice.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (5fSr7)

390

oh great.

so now #nevertrump just wants their very own success story like Ross Perot.

sheesh...

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (zu88C)

391 >>>. (I was one of the last of the holdouts hoping for a brokered convention.)

i was hoping for one too, but it didn't happen.

Some of us live in the real world where some things happened and other things did not, and others prefer playing in quantum irreality where all possibilities always remain in existence.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (dciA+)

392 >8 The only reason I have for voting for Trump is that the media will rediscover its job as watchdog, which is a good thing.

If the media actually did that, that alone would be reason to vote Trump!

Posted by: crossoverChaos at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (UNGxn)

393 when I vote Republican down-ballot and leave the Presidential bubble blank

That's the spirit! We'll show them!1!

Posted by: Happy Chemtrails at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (Tyii7)

394 'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"

The self-manuring kind. Sustainable!

Posted by: Hilarry! at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (J3phO)

395 and I'd like a candidate with Cruz's brain stuck into the body of someone with John Thune's looks.-- ace


And Jon Voight's voice.


And Fabio's shoulders.

*quiver*

Posted by: Shemp Smith at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (v9gSJ)

396 I have a feeling Schrodinger's cat is about to make an appearance on the thread.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (8ZskC)

397 -

TRUMP: He'll Screw Them Over For US
CLINTON: She'll Screw Us Over For Her

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (0x/TW)

398 10,000 kids, in one city benefited from a get ready for school program. The kids were supplied with backpacks, hair cuts, eye examinations ,school supplies, vaccinations and other screenings. These kids are all already on three meal a day programs and their families are getting food stamps and housing and obamacare. Now multiply that by a shitload of cities . I plan to claim at least 20 of them next year.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (QrM6Y)

399 Maybe someone up thread already asked, but what is the response from the GOPe and the Congressional GOP leadership?

Feckless, invertebrate cocksuckers.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (qbnYE)

400 45% in the primaries, Damiano, not 40%. At least try to be honest.
Posted by: Afroman at August 10, 2016 07:49 PM (YhvyR)

I wouldn't count any of the states after Indiana, most people are not going to bother voting for people after they suspended their campaigns. Minor point, but if we're nitpicking....

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (KF8B+)

401
I dream of our son falling in love with a great girl, and having a child or three. What kind of country are we leaving them, chemjeff?]/b]
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (1ZOkK)

Inasmuch as I think I'd be the best grandparent ever, I'm seriously considering discouraging my kids from having children. I don't think I'd want them growing up in this corrupted third world shithole in training nation.

Look at the crap we're being put through now....can you imagine how bad it will be in 20-30 years??

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 08:00 PM (jBqMt)

402 Yeah, let the wymmn elect a monster who mocked a 12 y.o. rape victim (and laughed about it) and got the rapist off with a slap on the wrist.

Girl Power my f*cking ass. Hell Beast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 08:00 PM (1ZOkK)

403 What has Trump done in the last month to change the mind of the - according to the latest polling ~65% of voters - who think he's unfit for the presidency?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 10, 2016 08:00 PM (fn3+8)

404 >>>In Trump's case, he's got those two going for him plus "He's not Hillary Clinton".

Remove those three things and there really isn't anything positive to say about him.

...

I think it shows how Okay With Hillary some have become that this statement -- "He's not Hillary Clinton" -- now strikes them as so ineffably weak and unconvincing.

This statement is only weak and unconvincing to those who are becoming comfortable with President Rodham.

Like I keep saying: I'll respect your choice. Just please respect me, and yourself, and *state* your choice, honestly.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:00 PM (dciA+)

405 "I have a feeling Schrodinger's cat is about to make an appearance on the thread."
-Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (8ZskC)

I'm not here.

...unless you can see me.

-Nameless Kitty

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (6gk0M)

406 387
and I'd like a candidate with Cruz's brain stuck into the body of someone with John Thune's looks.-- ace


And Jon Voight's voice.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 07:57 PM (1ZOkK)


And Ronald Reagan's charisma.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (sdi6R)

407 Let's see. America voted, TWICE, to elect as President an anti-Israel, Marxist/Socialist, demonstrably anti-American community organizer with no experience at all in business and next-to-none in government.

We may as well go ahead and elect the co-founder of the criminal enterprise known as the Clinton family. This way we can get a Supreme Court to banish the individual right to bear arms, the right to free speech, and the right to free exercise of religion. Once all that's done, we can get down to the business of having the proper civil war the Left has been spoiling for all these years.

Posted by: Experiment over at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (df+Zi)

408 >>>'Secretary Clinton, if you were a vegetable, what kind of vegetable would you be?"<<<



Technically, she already is.

Posted by: the big, bald black guy that follows her around with a Diazepam injector at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (H9MG5)

409 Remove those three things and there really isn't anything positive to say about him.



Posted by: Damiano

---------

still not seeing "unacceptable".


I wonder if nevertrumpers let their kids play in busy streets because the cars SHOULD obey the traffic laws.



Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (zu88C)

410 10,000 kids, in one city benefited from a get ready for school program. The kids were supplied with backpacks, hair cuts, eye examinations ,school supplies, vaccinations and other screenings. These kids are all already on three meal a day programs and their families are getting food stamps and housing and obamacare. Now multiply that by a shitload of cities . I plan to claim at least 20 of them next year.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2016 07:59 PM (QrM6Y)

Make them do your mowing.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (jBqMt)

411 i was hoping for one too, but it didn't happen.

Some of us live in the real world where some things happened and other things did not, and others prefer playing in quantum irreality where all possibilities always remain in existence.
Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (dciA+)

-------------

Ace, two questions:

How will anti-statists benefit from a Trump administration?

What is your opinion on Trump's foreign policy, particularly his suggestions that we abandon NATO?

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (mFkVC)

412 I believe part of the idea in disquising their choice Ace, is to somehow keep people aligned with them in the future. They realize that coming out directly and stating they are for Clinton will alienate people forever from their influence. They don't want to be that guy who as a Republican votes for Clinton. That's a stain that will be worn forever. It will infect everything they do in the future.

So they deflect and try to hide their real motives in order to preserve a measure of integrity. This is the favorite choice if some people who call themselves conservatives and its staining the entire movement.

I have a burning hate for the dishonesty because it won't work. I'm not that stupid and it's insulting to believe I can't figure this out.

Yeah the choices suck. As many of us day every day, fucking get over it and deal with it.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (MktOj)

413 >>>. (I was one of the last of the holdouts hoping for a brokered convention.)
--------------------------------------------

Hillary's health is still an issue. It might be she can't continue to campaign or even take office.

The problem is, the democrats might well put up a better candidate.

If Trump can't win against Hillary, then the country is too far gone to save. Detroit being the operative example.

Posted by: The Eclectic Fan at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (pPTJ4)

414 We can play pretend games like little children or we can be men and admit the actual choice in front of us.





Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (dciA+)
===========================================

Men? What am I supposed to do with all these sundresses?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (dFi94)

415 Sic the IRS on the Clinton Foundation.

Just need a couple of rogue agents in Dallas.

Posted by: Golfman at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (9HX7k)

416 1. Surgeon A, who has literally killed almost a hundred patients, and seems to be mentally incompetent as well as physically ill.

Is suspected of murder and has an enemies list. ...That you are on.

Posted by: t-bird at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (J3phO)

417 "John McCain: that fcvker has had sticky fingers since the Keating Five scandal decades ago."

That's a pretty good name. Too bad he endorsed Trump.

http://tinyurl.com/h49lwbl

Again, GOPe seems to have endorsed Trump.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (UBBWX)

418 If we're making a Frankenstein President

and Ron Jeremy's enormous schwanzstucker

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (r1fLd)

419 Can I get 2 Hope Solos to go with horsey sauce? And a small coke please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2016 08:02 PM (ej1L0)

420 Conservatives - or anyone who doesn't support an
authoritarian government - lost the election in Indiana. There were
almost 15 candidates (give or take a couple) who might have had some
chance of advancing some tiny bit of the Conservative agenda. Trump
beat them.



....
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 07:42 PM (mFkVC)

Trans-nationalism is 'conservative'?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (P/kVC)

421
um no not really jeff. Voting takes a half an
hour, one day, every two years. You spend an hour a day here agitating
against Trump. I'd say the latter represents a lot more commitment and
is a better indicator of your intentions.





Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 07:54 PM (dciA+)

I am here because I like to hang out among people who, at least broadly speaking, share my viewpoint. I'm not here to preach against Trump. That isn't my purpose. Voting represents an actual act of power, rather than just posting on message boards. Sure it takes less time to vote than to post screeds in comment forums, but the screeds don't count in the final vote tally.
But if the only proof that you will accept is if I go on leftwing blogs and start badmouthing Hillary, then yes - I have failed your test.
I guess I knew it would always come to this.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (5115x)

422 "I really believe that she will be the direct cause for states to start seceding."

If Hillary gets elected, that's your silver lining right there. And I'll be looking forward to serving under patriotic leaders like President Abbott of the Free Republic of Texas.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (iIzG7)

423
If we're making a Frankenstein President



and Ron Jeremy's enormous schwanzstucker

---------

John Bolton's 'stache.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (zu88C)

424 Who I would bang like a gong while listening to T.Rex.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:43 PM (c1srJ)


How about my hubcap diamond star halo?

Posted by: Hope Solo, Raw Ramp at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (7iOMr)

425 "Trump is unacceptable AND our only alternative."

-Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2016 07:33 PM (9P3OG)

I'm with you J.J. Came to that conclusion a few weeks ago. I mean I'll rag on him when he deserves it, but I just can't consider the alternative in good conscience.

Posted by: Joanne at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (hgBpU)

426 The cowardly thing to do would just be to go along with the herd in order to just get along.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 07:56 PM (5115x)

Or, maybe it takes guts to realize that this time it's bigger than how you feel, and you might just have to do something that sucks because you love something that's bigger than you. It all comes down to the military for me, how can anyone in good conscience vote or advocate for Hillary when you know how she will treat all of our brave men and women in the military.

Posted by: spypeach at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (nyYhO)

427 oh great.

so now #nevertrump just wants their very own success story like Ross Perot.

sheesh...



Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 07:58 PM (zu88C)

it's like deja vu all over again

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (c6/9Q)

428 When the nation is suffering under President Hell Beast, I never want to see or hear from another Never Trumper for as long as I live.

Hope you all end your days gathering scraps out of dumpsters.

Sorry if I hurt your Feelz, but soon it will be illegal for me to express my feelings here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2016 08:03 PM (1ZOkK)

429 "I wonder if nevertrumpers let their kids play in busy streets because the cars SHOULD obey the traffic laws."
-Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (zu88C)

You're horrible at this.

Posted by: Analogy Guy at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (6gk0M)

430 >>>How will anti-statists benefit from a Trump administration?

for one thing, the media will suddenly be infused with powerful vigor to patrol the executive branch for over-reach.

Do you deny this?

Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (dciA+)

431 And the Republicans are doing absolutely bumkis about this corruption.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 10, 2016 06:44 PM (mpXpK)


That is so unremarkable at this point, and yet there it is.
What it says about them, coupled with undermining their own party's candidate, I'll leave for others to discuss.

But lo these last 7.5 years we've noticed a lot of talk and nothing else.
What will the next four to eight bring?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (kKHcp)

432 "Sic the IRS on the Clinton Foundation.

Just need a couple of rogue agents in Dallas."

See, this is my issue: there are no more rogue agents!

How many FBI guys resigned en masse to protest Hillary?

ZERO

Comey, supposedly a man of honor, had no honor.

If Trump wins - I'm fine with that.

I just don't think it will matter.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (UBBWX)

433 It doesnt matter ifits Hillary, John Kerry, Uncle Joe, or any other leftist the result will be exactly the same as if it was Hillary, the Supreme Court is the first order of business and leftist use it like a battering ram.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (bksJQ)

434 "It's devolving into a fucking organized crime family."


You call this organized??

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (SRKgf)

435 How about my hubcap diamond star halo?

I'm dirty sweet and I'm your girl.

Posted by: Hope's Rolo at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (Tyii7)

436 >>What am I supposed to do with all these sundresses?


Give them to the Scottish contingent. They'll turn them into Kilts.

Which is Scottish, for Battle Skirt.


Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:05 PM (c1srJ)

437 I really doubt my vote counts here in Massachusetts & there are never any down ballot challengers, once in a great while there will be, but I have always voted for the GOP nominee.

I planned to stay home because my vote doesn't make a difference. But I have email subscription to Judicial Watch & after reading latest one, I Will vote for GOP nominee.

But he has to STHU & focus on Mrs. Clinton. I'm so disgusted with this election & it's raining today, I usually listen to Mark Levin if I'm in my car @ 6 pm, on radio here 9 pm-12 am. I could listen on iPad app, but I'm watching TCM on demand & trying to arrange appt for haircut etc.
I love Mark & the fact that I'm watching an old movie instead of Levin shows how disgusted I am.

Posted by: Carol at August 10, 2016 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)

438 Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (dciA+)

The only thing preventing him would be congress; and they've already set the precedent.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2016 08:06 PM (qbnYE)

439 "Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?"

Yes. Bush used executive orders.

Also, Trump may very likely be advised by NY Democrats like Schumer and find himself "evolving"

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:06 PM (UBBWX)

440
10,000 kids, in one city benefited from a get ready for school program.

There is no unemployment and the country has infinite money.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 10, 2016 08:06 PM (IqV8l)

441 411
What is your opinion on Trump's foreign policy, particularly his suggestions that we abandon NATO?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:01 PM (mFkVC)


You didn't direct your question at me, but I think NATO should have disbanded in the 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact. It no longer served its original purpose, and it would have been a gesture of goodwill towards the new non-communist Russia.

Instead, it expanded eastward and fed the traditional Russian paranoia.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

442 I think I should donate to Judicial Watch.

They seem to be the only check and balance that has been effective lately.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (UBBWX)

443 There's a point at which you can't keep kicking the can down the road because it's crushed from being kicked so many times. Then you are stuck with what's left.

The next president will have a chance to impact the next generation. You can have someone who while imperfect will preserve a measure of freedom and personal liberty so we can recover the republic or another who will not. Who will make the unelected administrative and judicial state a permanent oligarchy for our children.

This is an easy choice in that respect.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (MktOj)

444 @ ace at August 10, 2016 07:47 PM (dciA+)

I actually argue against Hillary on several sites, including left wing sites.

Do I do it a lot? Not a whole lot. Why? Because it's pointless and annoying to try to have a reasonable debate with the majority of anyone on the left. Breitbart did it better than anyone... but he rarely succeeded in actually having a reasoned discussion. His success was in exposing how they were incapable of reason. I don't have his patience or knack for humor.

I completely agree with ever negative thing said about Hillary and it is incomprehensible to me why anyone would support her, even those who are all about women's rights, fairness, and whatever other fairy tales they believe in.

Trump is a different issue. He's not Hillary. I give him that. He's also consistently incapable of articulating, defending, or being even remotely consistent on even the simplest things.

Trump won. The others lost. Fine. My issue with Trump at this point is his continued failure to make any constructive advances whatsoever while stepping on the gas pedal of hanging himself.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (71OEY)

445 I dream of our son falling in love with a great girl, and having a child
or three. What kind of country are we leaving them, chemjeff?



Jane, we aren't leaving them a very good country, certainly not as good as the one we grew up in, that is for sure. But I would like to point out that the biggest reason IMO that the country seems to be doing worse is the prevalence of leftist ideas, and less about who exactly is in charge at any given moment. Sure Obama has been a terrible president, but what has made him a terrible president is less about his personal narcissism and thin skin - those are bad too, of course - but his awful collectivist leftist ideas about just about everything. It's the IDEAS that have to be discredited and defeated, not just the people spouting the ideas.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (5115x)

446 Jeff, fine, you like hanging out here. We like having you here.

Then tell me: HERE, how much time to do you spend knocking trump (and occasionally defending hIllary) versus how much time do you spend knocking Hillary?

You can't say "I'm against both equally" if the great majority of your time is spent on the former.

Do you not accept that? Is my logic somehow askew?

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (dciA+)

447 -Posted by: Carol at August 10, 2016 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)

We still love you, Carol! You're so sweet, darlin'!

Long Thrive the Roses!!!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:08 PM (6gk0M)

448 Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

Yes.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:09 PM (5115x)

449 349 >>WHAT exactly makes Trump unacceptable?


>>>He's not a Conservative.
>>>Period.
>>>Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:46 PM (c1srJ)

But he is a deal maker who believes that everyone has to get something out of deal for it to work. He's offering conservatives a fully conservative SC. You can't get everything you want, but with a guy like Trump you're going to get some of it. In politics you either make deals or you die and no one gets everything they want.

Posted by: BomberCommand at August 10, 2016 08:09 PM (7us0J)

450 Posted by: Analogy Guy

I blame beer.

nevertrumpers want a conservative that follows the conservative playbook rules.

They can only accept a candidate that follows their preconceived expectations.

It may not be a very good analogy but it is an even more stupid, dishonest and disingenuous way to live.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:09 PM (zu88C)

451 He's unacceptable because he's not a conservative (or even a Republican) but he gets my vote because he's our ONLY option.

Exactly as Sefton stated.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 07:51 PM (c1srJ)

Yep.

We still (barely) have something left to lose, so we have little choice in the matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXV_QjenbDw

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 08:09 PM (KF8B+)

452 Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (UBBWX)

Pension is a helluva drug.

Posted by: Fed Bereaucrats from top to bottom at August 10, 2016 08:10 PM (9HX7k)

453 Yes, Trump is an obnoxious, ignorant, possibly crooked asshole.

[But] what is Hillary? Hillary is all that plus the official and very illegal protection of the US federal bureaucracy.


That right there.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:10 PM (bS6uW)

454 "I planned to stay home because my vote doesn't make a difference.
Posted by: Carol "



Carol?


"Carol" Carol?


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:10 PM (xiMfJ)

455 I think it will be hot to wear Don Lemon's tiny head as a hat.
Air Tight Mr. Lemon.

That's so hot on a selfie stick.

Posted by: Hope Solo's Poop Shute at August 10, 2016 08:10 PM (qiqGr)

456 Once Comey admitted that Hillary broke the law, but that he wasn't going to recommend prosecution I went from "Not Quite" Trump to all in. These folks have given a collective middle finger to the American people and it's time for us to give them one right back.

Posted by: Njconservative at August 10, 2016 08:10 PM (AMg7m)

457 for one thing, the media will suddenly be infused with powerful vigor to patrol the executive branch for over-reach.

Do you deny this?

Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:04 PM (dciA+)

--------------------

I'll concede that the media would suddenly find some Constitutional principles.

However, others would lose any pretense of them. If both Trump and Clinton proposed single payer health care (or the other leftist policies they agree on), which would get more votes in Congress?

I would suggest Democrats would go along with either. Trump, as a nominal Republican, would provide cover for at least a few of the spineless GOPe in the House and Senate to support it who might have otherwise opposed it. This is no testament to the steadfastness of Congressional Republicans but to their sniveling desire for political cover and fondness for leaning whichever way the political wind seems to blow.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (mFkVC)

458 I don't care for Trump. I've never voted for a pro-like liberal Democrat in my life, and I don't relish the thought of doing so now. But - Eric Metaxis wrote a persuasive article that helped me swallow a very bitter pill. In short, he said that Hillary will hurl us over the cliff, with no chance of going back up. Trump on the other hand, might just possibly claw and drag us 5 feet back from the edge of that cliff, giving us time to figure out what to do next. As a conservative Christian (really), the opinion of Metaxis carries weight with me.


That, and Benghazi. My son left the military because of Benghazi.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (dFi94)

459 "I'm not here to preach against Trump."

If that's true, then why do you do it day in and day out?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (0mRoj)

460 The question I would like to put on the table is, since we are doing the hypothetical thing, once prez'nit hillzebub puts an end to the 2nd and makes 50 million undocumented progtards, documented

and

Partisan Warfare breaks out, what duty do I have to defend people who made the klintoon redux possible?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (WVsWD)

461 I was #NeverTrump early on. Fuck that.


Can you just imagine what that old bitch will do as POTUS?? Oblammer and his whole 'phone and a pen' bullshit is nothing.

Hillary has been doing far worse things for 30 years...


Posted by: Portnoy at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (e8zbz)

462 Only Trump can break the china.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (IqV8l)

463 People knocked Romney in the comments. Did they cause Romney to lose?

This is Ace's argument.

the reality is the its the big media types that cause actual polling to move.

Rush. Jo Scarbourough, Hannity. the MSM.

They built up Trump.

Was it NBC head who said "Trump may not be good for the country but he's good for NBC?"

Our little commentary doesn't matter.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:12 PM (UBBWX)

464 "I think it will be hot to wear Don Lemon's tiny head as a hat."

It would be better to drink ale from his polished skull, as would have been done in better times by the conquerors. The only problem is that his head is so small, there would have to be a refill.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 10, 2016 08:12 PM (iIzG7)

465 430

More than that, though. If what Christie said in private is true, Trump wants the ability to fire civil servants and prevent "burrowing." When on earth have you ever heard someone take that position? If he can fire the incompetents in the VA, that's a huge step for government generally, left or right. And his VA privatization scheme is something no ones wanted to touch before now.

So it's not like voting Trump is all preventative. And the fact he has good enough sense not to say that shit publicly says he isn't as stupid psychotic as people think.

It really sucks he's going to lose though man...

Posted by: GrapeDrink at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (Wt+M2)

466 Thanks to all my one name supporters. Paychecks are in the mail.

Oh, and thanks as well to the fools overthinking evil versus not evil.

Posted by: Hillary Corleone at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (E3EdC)

467 Instead, it expanded eastward and fed the traditional Russian paranoia.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

And solidified (classical) liberal democracy in countries that, in noted contrast to most of Western Europe, became staunch allies, expanding American power and influence.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (KF8B+)

468 Hillary is a Cucumber. Trust me I know the type.

Posted by: Hope Solo's Poop Shute at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (qiqGr)

469 Hey, I'm just a TV guy.

Posted by: Don's Lemons at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (Tyii7)

470 "But lo these last 7.5 years we've noticed a lot of talk and nothing else. What will the next four to eight bring?"

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say, "A lot of talk and nothing else."

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (97XyN)

471 I would suggest Democrats would go along with either. Trump, as a nominal Republican, would provide cover for at least a few of the spineless GOPe in the House and Senate to support it who might have otherwise opposed it. This is no testament to the steadfastness of Congressional Republicans but to their sniveling desire for political cover and fondness for leaning whichever way the political wind seems to blow.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:11 PM (mFkVC)



I would love to be your chiropractor. The way you twist yourself into a pretzel to explain how Trump is worse than Hillary must be killing you.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 08:14 PM (8ZskC)

472 >>>Trump is a different issue. He's not Hillary. I give him that. He's also consistently incapable of articulating, defending, or being even remotely consistent on even the simplest things.

Trump won. The others lost. Fine. My issue with Trump at this point is his continued failure to make any constructive advances whatsoever while stepping on the gas pedal of hanging himself.

...

trump's a bad candidate, and undisciplined, emotional. bullying, self-pitying, narcissistic, unschooled, and lazy.

McCain, if you remember, was a bad candidate too. A vain hot-head who lied to the base with aplomb -- when he wasn't denigrating them horribly -- who called a 12 year Chelsea Clinton a dog in front of his press buddies. (By the way he got such great press because he used to run down the GOP base with reporters, who loved him for that.)

He was also preaching more and more super-hawk interventionism when America was plainly exhausted from wars we weren't winning.

On economic matters, he was an unschooled boob.

Yet, despite McCain's manifold flaws, he was STILL BETTER THAN BARACK OBAMA, and while many in the GOP decided to vote for Obama, to their eternal shame, I remain confident I did the right thing in promoting the very flawed man, and yet still better than the community organizing communist Barack Obama.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:14 PM (dciA+)

473 449
But he is a deal maker who believes that everyone has to get something out of deal for it to work.
Posted by: BomberCommand at August 10, 2016 08:09 PM (7us0J)


And that is the very essence of capitalism: The voluntary exchange of value for value.

You go into a grocery store and pay money for a carton of milk. You go away happy because you wanted the milk more than the money, and the store owner is happy because he wanted the money more than the milk.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:14 PM (sdi6R)

474 Treason never prospers, and what's the reason?
For if it succeeds, none dare call it treason.

Thank you again, Willy Shakespeare for having a quote for all occasions, including this election year.

Posted by: exdem13 at August 10, 2016 08:14 PM (ry4ab)

475 chemjeff at 421, re. screeds "not counting":

I have a little influence over a small pocket of people close to me -- I think I can help sway maybe 10 or 12 votes toward Trump. Maybe.

People who post here frequently, on a blog read by hundreds of thousands of people? They have very big influence. Particularly someone eloquent, analytical, persuasive. Like you. Hundreds of people will read your comments.

Now, the guys wielding the big stick here, are Ace and the cobs. These guys are thought leaders in the conservative movement. But commenters count for something too -- for more than I certainly do, moving around in my circle of acquaintances in the real world.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 10, 2016 08:14 PM (sgHEm)

476 "I'll concede that the media would suddenly find some Constitutional principles."

And that is the problem!

They are not actually finding Constitutional principles!

So it does not matter.

People need to understand this. Vote for Trump - hope he wins, it will not matter.

The rot is deeper. Trump will be like a new coat of paint over dry-rot wood.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:15 PM (UBBWX)

477 Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

Yes. No.

FIFY.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:15 PM (bS6uW)

478 chemjeff, please again provide your defense of Hilary getting that rapist off on 1 yr in jail on the rape of a 12 yr old girl who he physically damaged so much that she required stitches and was left unable to bear children.

I can find it for you, or you can repeat your defense of her again. I have never seen you defend Trump in a similar, extreme way if at all.

It is beneath you and your precious conscience and morality to defend her in this way.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 10, 2016 08:15 PM (6IPEM)

479 Trump has no virtues other than the fact he isn't a member of the Clinton Crime Family. And that's enough to support him.

Posted by: MTF at August 10, 2016 08:15 PM (E3EdC)

480 And solidified (classical) liberal democracy in countries that, in noted contrast to most of Western Europe, became staunch allies, expanding American power and influence.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 08:13 PM (KF8B+)

--------

And whether Russia is Communist or not, it is still expansionist and tyrannical, just as it was before Communism.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:15 PM (mFkVC)

481 Can you just imagine what that old bitch will do as POTUS?? Oblammer and his whole 'phone and a pen' bullshit is nothing.

---------------
Exactly.

She was fighting for her version of Obamacare when Barky was smoking hash in Pock ee stan . She is still toting a grudge over the rejection of HIllarycare.

Her wish list will kill America dead as a damn hammer.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (zu88C)

482 ...and I've quit arguing against what has already happened. I've said that if they tried to deny Trump the nomination, I'd be pissed.

The guy who talked about the Party Politics was persona non grata, as far as I was concerned.

I didn't get my way. Boo-Hoo. Happens all the time. Almost every election, as a matter-of-fact.

I believe that Trump is worse than John McCain. He's not a conservative and he's even more vindictive that that guy.

...but I held my nose and pulled the lever for that douche.

I cannot justify, (in any sense), allowing an above-the-law Queen to rise to her "Throne".

...not while I still draw breath.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (6gk0M)

483 You didn't direct your question at me, but I think NATO should have disbanded in the 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact. It no longer served its original purpose, and it would have been a gesture of goodwill towards the new non-communist Russia.

Instead, it expanded eastward and fed the traditional Russian paranoia.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

Indeed. We shouldn't be subsidizing Germany's defense costs (they contribute only 1.2% of the GDP to defense), while they screw up the Continent with Mutti Merkel's insane "refugee" policy.

I'm more worried about the upcoming confrontation in the S. China Sea.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (cC/ZB)

484 "Now, the guys wielding the big stick here, are Ace and the cobs. These guys are thought leaders in the conservative movement."

Ace and Drew convinced me to back Cruz.

But I'm already conservatarian.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (UBBWX)

485 It is beneath you and your precious conscience and morality to defend her in this way.
==========================

We don't really know that to be true.

Posted by: MTF at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (E3EdC)

486 Nevertrump = Globalizationism.

The religion that is Globalizationism believes there is no god above the transnational utopia, to be created by the prophets unlimited free trade, unlimited migration, defeat (or at least deflation) of the traditional Western powers and all its works.

Hillory doesn't stand in the way of all that. The Donald does. Pretty much everything else is irrelevant to these people. That's how religious fanatics operate.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (Pz4pT)

487 >>>Our little commentary doesn't matter.


yours matters relatively little; the big fish of the NeverTrump movement, like Jonah Goldberg, who are similarly claiming to be aw-shucks-just-a-low-level-commenter-with-hardly-any-influence, do matter, and they're lying when they say they don't.

But even if your agitations don't matter, they do provide an insight into your *actual desires,* and if you knock trump all day and never Hilary, then let's just cut the bullshit and admit you support Hillary, okay?

I don't care that you do support her. I can't say "that's a defensible choice" any more. I've said it over and over.

But what is not defensible is coming in and just lying about it every day and getting all pissy whem other people call you on the lie.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (dciA+)

488
People knocked Romney in the comments. Did they cause Romney to lose?


Maybe.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (zu88C)

489 They just continue to reinforce what we already knew.


Just more in our face, openly, brazenly, and, displaying the depth of corruption they now have.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:17 PM (xiMfJ)

490 I've been gone about an hour. Trump toss any babies around?

Posted by: Goomba at August 10, 2016 08:17 PM (cjdxs)

491 President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

>ace

I'm waiting for a reporter to ask Hellary " Will you continue Obama's executive actions regarding immigration and if so would you accede that same power to Trump re: Muslim immigration?"

Posted by: Golfman at August 10, 2016 08:17 PM (9HX7k)

492 @lowtech redneck - pointing out the difference between 40% and 45% is not nitpicking, it's a significant difference. Picking a state to say other following votes don't count is the definition of nitpicking. It's disingenuous. Did you do the same for Romney's percentages? Didn't think so.

Posted by: Afroman at August 10, 2016 08:17 PM (YhvyR)

493 391 Some of us live in the real world where some things happened and other
things did not, and others prefer playing in quantum irreality where all
possibilities always remain in existence.


Posted by: ace

Hence the popularity of alternate history fiction, which I simply cannot get into. At least sci-fi projects into the future, which is NOT determined.

We are faced with a binary choice, Hillary or Trump. There's no magic quantum tunnel escape to the Bahamas and a pina colada paradise.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (gyKtp)

494 grammie, those reasons have been mine since he started in fullswing. as we saw gope would not fight Obama back, nor the left ideology shoving the middle class into the abyss. and we know what the left is now capable of because we've been living it. military, govt agencies being used against 'lefts enemies' absolutely no real consequence. just blather from us and they move onto to the next swing at our finances, our military, our personal lives, our speech, our guns, our rights with media help, govt help, republicans help!

i just want some breathing space and us to round up ideas to fight the left and the spinless gop. i was hoping this election might be a sign to the republican party that WE wznt actual restraints put on the left, and if they won't do that there is an actuazl consequence. maybe they'll heed this call .
maybe not.

Posted by: willow at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (A1MMY)

495 10,000 kids, in one city benefited from a get ready for school program.


That should read "benefited." Every liberal program "benefits" the children - by their reckoning, with cherry-picked kids, cherry-picked locales, and cherry-picked data that are massaged like Kobe beef.

Then when the full-blown program is rolled - at great expense - it's the same old shit again: drugs, gangs, shitty academic performance.


It's almost as if there's something more fundamental at work...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (SRKgf)

496 Rush. Jo Scarbourough, Hannity. the MSM.

They built up Trump.

Was it NBC head who said "Trump may not be good for the country but he's good for NBC?"

Our little commentary doesn't matter.
Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:12 PM (UBBWX)

*****
Bullshit. The GOPe giving their base the finger built the conditions that gave Trump his shot. Not the Media.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (u5E9A)

497 Think President Trump would be permitted to change Obamacare or immigration policy by executive fiat?

Yes. No.

FIFY.

--Right, because the GOP already stopped Obama...oh wait, they didn't.

Trump might not even change it to be more conservative, BTW. you guys discount this, but its highly likely he'd "fix" it for the Democrats.

He already said he could dela with Schumer and Pelosi.

This is not an argument to vote for Hillary. Its just an argument to not assume he won't wield power.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (UBBWX)

498 Tim none, and Its not hypothetical, Hillary is telling you thats what she is going to do. Now she doesn't give a wit about any illegal its all a ploy to keep leftists in power.If shd gave a flying leap about people her and the Clinton Foundation wouldn't have fleeced Haiti out of millions of dollars.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (bksJQ)

499 there's no magic quantum tunnel escape to the Bahamas and a pina colada paradise.


Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (gyKtp)
===========================================

Crap. I just bought a time-share.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (dFi94)

500 I'm waiting for a reporter to ask Hellary " Will you continue Obama's executive actions regarding immigration and if so would you accede that same power to Trump re: Muslim immigration?"


PRO TIP: Don't put the rest of your life on hold while you're waiting for a "journalist" to ask Hillary a question like that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (8ZskC)

501 I knew a guy in college. Super-gay. I mean, en feugo. But closeted. Not just closeted -- he didn't know he was gay.

one day, he tells his female friends -- he had only female friends -- "I kissed a boy last night. I think I'm gay."

one of the friends, a black girl who was, yes, sassy, hugged him and said, "George, you were the *last* to know!"

I feel like I'm in a "George, you were the *last* to know!" situation with people who are plainly pro-clinton but, like George, who couldn't admit even to himself he was gay, just can't accept the truth of their leanings yet.



Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (dciA+)

502 I have been known to say this a time or two....

We ain't voting our way out of our predicament.

The only way historically to enact true change is through violence or the threat of violence.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (7C/kB)

503 If Hillary is elected, there will be 25 million more Democrat voters brought in before she faces re-election. Conservatism ends when it is a powerless minority.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (v9gSJ)

504 If we're making a Frankenstein President

and Ron Jeremy's enormous schwanzstucker

For a President you need a War Cock that uses Tigers for condoms.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at August 10, 2016 08:20 PM (BZey7)

505 Trump toss any babies around?

Nah, just a few dick punches.

Posted by: Don's Lemons at August 10, 2016 08:20 PM (Tyii7)

506 It's pretty simple really.

Trump may be an asshole and running a stupid campaign and you may have a far, far better grasp of what he should be doing, but he is not Hitler or Mussolini or PolPot.


Hillary is.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:20 PM (zu88C)

507 There's no magic quantum tunnel escape to the Bahamas and a pina colada paradise.

You just get caught in the rain.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 10, 2016 08:20 PM (6FqZa)

508 Ace, are you saying that chemjeff is gay?

Posted by: The Guy Who Kind of Understands, But Doesn't Completely Understand at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (8ZskC)

509 Trump made the Rio Dive and Water Polo pools turn green! News at 11.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (PvCxa)

510 151 This has been my Trump arguement ever since I had to reconcile myself to supporting someone who said Ted Cruz's dad assassinated JFK.

Hail Orange Julius Caesar!

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2016 07:05 PM (KH8nb)

++++

Trump didn't say that. He did wonder how it came to be that Cruz Sr. was photographed in the company of Lee Harvey Oswald. I would be interested in hearing that story myself. All's we have heard on that subject is non-denial denials from team Cruz. Which makes me wonder even more. What was he doing with Oswald?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (R+30W)

511 "Bullshit. The GOPe giving their base the finger built the conditions that gave Trump his shot. Not the Media."

Right. Because there was no choice but Trump who was an enemy of the GOPe.

Oh wait, there was Cruz.

Without Trump, and the media pumping, Cruz would have won.

Trump is not the single solution to the GOPe.

But he was the most popular.

Should he lose to Hillary, you may wish to regret Hannity offering him hours and hours of free time.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (UBBWX)

512 "It's almost as if there's something more fundamental at work..."
-Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 10, 2016 08:18 PM (SRKgf)

Let's take a vote...

Do you agree Mr. Cloward? *cough* No.
Do you agree Mrs. Piven? *cough* Not at all. *snicker*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (6gk0M)

513 Hillary has said she will ban semi-auto rifles by executive order. That is blatantly illegal. That is the sort of thing she will do over and over. But, yeah, Trump is worse. (roll eyes)

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (hVdx9)

514 In the end, the #NeverTrump sophistry boils down to this: I'll take Hillary and her corruption and dishonesty and incompetence and her Supreme Court nominees over Trump as the Republican nominee because I find Trump ideologically impure. It really can't be stated any more simply.

Except for the Trumpsters, we all agree Trump is an imperfect messenger for whom we are semi-regularly embarrassed. But I'll be damned if I'll let that or his ideological impurity invite Hillary Clinton into the White House.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:22 PM (bS6uW)

515 ChemJeff is gay?

I did not know that.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:22 PM (c1srJ)

516 I've been gone about an hour. Trump toss any babies around?
Posted by: Goomba at August 10, 2016 08:17 PM

He had the police evict a man from his Tower, turns out he was a tourist from Virginia who wanted to see Trump and give him a message.

See its not had to think like a leftist

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:22 PM (bksJQ)

517 I'm waiting for a reporter to ask Hellary " Will you continue Obama's executive actions regarding immigration and if so would you accede that same power to Trump re: Muslim immigration?"
=========================

Seriously? I'll save you the wait: yes, she will do whatever the hell she wants, and no, Trump doesn't get similar freedom of action in office. In fact, he will be held to exacting standards right up until he is driven from office by the angry left.

Posted by: MTF at August 10, 2016 08:22 PM (E3EdC)

518 Nevertrump = Globalizationism.

The religion that is Globalizationism believes there is no god above the transnational utopia, to be created by the prophets unlimited free trade, unlimited migration, defeat (or at least deflation) of the traditional Western powers and all its works.

Hillory doesn't stand in the way of all that. The Donald does. Pretty much everything else is irrelevant to these people. That's how religious fanatics operate.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2016 08:16 PM (Pz4pT)


I should have put scare quotes around the words "free trade," because the way it is practiced is not actually free. It's unfettered for the fascists who have access to exploitable markets, and without any real risk for them. They control the IMF, and make offers third world sinkholes with exploitable resources cannot refuse. They line their pockets, and then hide behind the mantle of "Free Trade."


Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2016 08:22 PM (Pz4pT)

519 "Rush. Jo Scarbourough, Hannity. the MSM.

They built up Trump. "





I'd have to disagree. The GOP, endlessly, fcuking over its perceived base over and over and over.......



.....and over.



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (xiMfJ)

520 " I would be interested in hearing that story myself."

It was debunked dude.

Its not his dad in the photo.

This is why the party is not united, and its why Trump sucks. Once a Birther always a Birther.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (UBBWX)

521 I will try to approach this more constructively.

As of today, RCP has the electoral vote at 256 Hillary, 154 Trump excluding toss ups. With no toss ups, it's 362/ 176 respectively.

As of today, Trump has no viable path to the White House based on the electoral college and the popular vote is worse.

Clinton has -10.9 unfavorables vs. Trump's 27.6.

Let's assume that 100% of every republican, conservative, libertarian, and otherwise right leaning person held their nose and voted for Trump because he's not Hillary. The result is still Trump losing in November, not because of NeverTrump or anything else. It is because he has continued to fail abysmally to gain support from anyone outside of the core minority that got him the nomination and over 53% of the country leans left and wants free shit.

Trump is losing because of his actions, not the failure of others to kiss his ring. Until the main problem- Trump himself- gets dealt with, everything else is secondary.

It's no different that trying to balance the budget by eliminating waste fraud and abuse. If you closed every government agency and program including the military but did not get rid of Medicare and social security, we would still not have a balanced budget especially when you include debt and interest.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (71OEY)

522 Trump didn't say that. He did wonder how it came to be that Cruz Sr. was photographed in the company of Lee Harvey Oswald. I would be interested in hearing that story myself. All's we have heard on that subject is non-denial denials from team Cruz. Which makes me wonder even more. What was he doing with Oswald?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (R+30W)

You're lying. Cruz has denied it. He shouldn't have to, of course, it's a gross smear and repeating it to "just ask questions" is unattractive.

You get a lot of your news from the Enquirer?

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (mFkVC)

523 I don't care for Trump or his positions, if he has some. Do I think he would leave US service personnel to die for political gain? No. That's a big deal to me.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (dFi94)

524 And solidified (classical) liberal democracy in
countries that, in noted contrast to most of Western Europe, became
staunch allies, expanding American power and influence.


Posted by: lowtech redneck

Western Europe? Our influence in Europe has never been weaker since WWII than it is now.

When the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact collapsed, NATO should have been disbanded.
The Europeans could then have made their own arrangements for their collective defense and paid for it themselves. The US could have become more financially disengaged from European politics, and could have avoided the mess that was the Yugoslavia breakup.
This does not mean we would have been completely isolated from European politics, but standing apart from their problems.
What has our presence, influence and money spent in the last 20 plus years actually done....for the US?
Much of Europe gave us the middle finger on Operation Iraqi Freedom. The countries of Eastern Europe (Poland most prominently) did work with us. Most did not.
So, yay NATO. We're still obligated to defend Turkey. How's that working out?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (S6Pax)

525 I read a book about a monkey named George who was Curious.
But, I didn't think he was gay.
I just thought the man in the Yellow Hat was a pedophile who was into bestiality.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (c1srJ)

526 >>>I'm waiting for a reporter to ask Hellary " Will you
continue Obama's executive actions regarding immigration and if so
would you accede that same power to Trump re: Muslim immigration?"

Posted by: Golfman at August 10, 2016 08:17 PM (9HX7k)<<<

Actually, Trump would be well within the law to restrict any group that he determined to be hazardous to nation.

SCOAMF has completely ignored the laws on the books, and gone way out of bounds with his "just using prosecutorial discretion" to amnesty wide swaths of illegals and give them documentation b.s.

Posted by: point of order at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (H9MG5)

527 Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it "treason."

Not the Bard. Sir John Harrington.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (97XyN)

528 Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:07 PM (dciA+)


C'mon Ace, be fair. I have never defended Hillary, not here and not anywhere. What I have said are things like objecting to the use of hyperbolic predictions like "electing Hillary would be the literal end of the Republic". Objecting to that is not defending Hillary, it is objecting to the hyperbole. A person can believe Hillary would be bad, just not Stalin-level bad; just like a person can believe Trump would be bad, just not Hitler-level bad.


And honestly, Ace, about the only thing that we can all agree on here on this blog is that Hillary is unacceptable. It is an unstated assumption behind everything and IMO a correct one. Why should I attempt to persuade people here not to vote for Hillary when we have all already accepted this premise? Do I have to constantly repeat that I believe the earth is round, lest I get accused of being one of those crazy flat-earthers?


But what animates me the most, to be honest, are discussions about ideas. Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor Hillary really matter. It's the ideas which they represent that are the most important part IMO.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (5115x)

529 Even if someone was gay, the point is?

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (bksJQ)

530 6. Even if you disagree with all of the above and
support all his ideas... absolutely none of his proposals or ideas fall
within the scope of "Preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution" or
the defined powers of POTUS.



A friend used to joke about always saying positive things about
people, such as "He's not twins and he's not married to my sister". In
Trump's case, he's got those two going for him plus "He's not Hillary
Clinton".



Remove those three things and there really isn't anything positive to say about him.



Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 07:55 PM (71OEY)

And the latest MSM hit parade is Trump's support for the second amendment.

The rest of your bullet points are equally 'unacceptable'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (P/kVC)

531 That is some authentic frontier gibberish there, ace.

Posted by: Howard Johnson at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (0x/TW)

532 ChemJeff is gay?

And his real name is George.

Posted by: Golfman at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (9HX7k)

533 My sister doesn't like to watch Cowboy games with me because I'm generally pessimistic about their chances and predict the worst.

Like it's my fault Tony Romo throws interceptions and has more broken collar bones than playoff wins in his career. I'm a hater.

#NeverRomo

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (fn3+8)

534 "I'd have to disagree. The GOP, endlessly, fcuking over its perceived base over and over and over......."

OK, that could lead to the audience being very receptive to Trump's message.

I'd love to hear what he told the NYT about his real beliefs.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (UBBWX)

535 -Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (UBBWX)

Sour grapes, at this point. I don't blame you for voting your conscience, (as I might have before the inauguration).

Just know that if you're in a swing-State, that you're choosing the Unlawful, Sanctified Queen Douche over the Shit Sandwich.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (6gk0M)

536 There's nothing wrong with chemjeff being gay.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 08:25 PM (8ZskC)

537 Nobody ever talks about Trump's tax plan.

Which rocks.

And is ....wait for it....CONSERVATIVE.


Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:25 PM (zu88C)

538 There's nothing wrong with chemjeff being gay.

I'm glad Buzzion didn't live to hear that.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2016 08:25 PM (v9gSJ)

539 >> PRO TIP: Don't put the rest of your life on hold
>> while you're waiting for a "journalist" to ask Hillary
>> a question like that.

And you might want to consult a tax attorney before the IRS lands on your doorstep.

Posted by: JEM at August 10, 2016 08:25 PM (o+SC1)

540 It was debunked dude.


Dam right it was debunked.

Posted by: Snopes at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (BZey7)

541 I think George Gay was a sole survivor of a squadron at Midway in WWII

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (bksJQ)

542 501 I knew a guy in college. Super-gay. I mean, en feugo. But closeted. Not just closeted -- he didn't know he was gay.

one day, he tells his female friends -- he had only female friends -- "I kissed a boy last night. I think I'm gay."

one of the friends, a black girl who was, yes, sassy, hugged him and said, "George, you were the *last* to know!"

I feel like I'm in a "George, you were the *last* to know!" situation with people who are plainly pro-clinton but, like George, who couldn't admit even to himself he was gay, just can't accept the truth of their leanings yet.



Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (dciA+)

So the whole time George Carlin was right about the big Club and you, Ace, are not invited.

I'm not either. Only 50,000 tops are in the entire country.

Those people you are talking about probably are not invited either, but delude themselves into thinking they are by licking boots.

Posted by: Hope Solo's Poop Shute at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (qiqGr)

543 You want to see sad, the real life effects of what's going on? Watch a bunch of guys go to combat to defend our principles and ideals and then come back to see this shit. To see a bunch of cowards, manipulators and effeminate assholes playing games with our future and undermining everything they fought for. To watch freedom slip away at the hands of liars who use the military as a punch line while they destroy them with their policies. This is one reason the suicide rate of veterans is the highest among all groups.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (MktOj)

544 522 Trump didn't say that. He did wonder how it came to be that Cruz Sr. was photographed in the company of Lee Harvey Oswald. I would be interested in hearing that story myself. All's we have heard on that subject is non-denial denials from team Cruz. Which makes me wonder even more. What was he doing with Oswald?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (R+30W)

You're lying. Cruz has denied it. He shouldn't have to, of course, it's a gross smear and repeating it to "just ask questions" is unattractive.

You get a lot of your news from the Enquirer?

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:23 PM (mFkVC)

++++

Link? One that has the actual words he used. A quote that has more specificity that "that story is inaccurate". I would like to see an actual quote of Cruz Sr. denying that it was him in that photograph. Good luck producing it, because it's not there.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (R+30W)

545 Damiano is right. If it was a Bush vs. Gore defeat, then NeverTrump would get blame for it. Landslide? Nope - all on him.

Trump is dog food whether we support him or not.

Posted by: DOBSON at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (BXcJU)

546
trump's a bad candidate, and undisciplined, emotional. bullying, self-pitying, narcissistic, unschooled, and lazy.
--

But yet Trump has lots of successful deals behind him -- and unsuccessful ones as well-- and a tv series that ran 14 years. And he's reportedly a billionaire. So not sure if "lazy" is the most accurate description.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (tvyXw)

547 We are faced with a binary choice, Hillary or Trump.

You, individually, are not faced with a binary choice. There will be more than 2 names on the ballot. And you do not get any special prize for voting for one of the top two.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:27 PM (5115x)

548 >> Remove those three things and there really isn't
>> anything positive to say about him.

Yeah, but that's enough.

Posted by: JEM at August 10, 2016 08:27 PM (o+SC1)

549 514Except for the Trumpsters, we all agree Trump is an imperfect
messenger for whom we are semi-regularly embarrassed. But I'll be
damned if I'll let that or his ideological impurity invite Hillary
Clinton into the White House.
-------------------------
That is the long and short of it right there, man.

Posted by: exdem13 at August 10, 2016 08:27 PM (ry4ab)

550 We ain't voting our way out of our predicament.

The only way historically to enact true change is through violence or the threat of violence.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (7C/kB)

This is an unfortunate Truth of politics, especially in social democracies like ours. I know, we're a republic, but that's just on paper. Like the constitution.

The Left in all its guises has been playing the IRA/Sein Finn game here for 50 years. A group of radicals demands something outrageous, does some violence or damage, and the political arm says
Well we decry violence but you have to give these hopeless folks something or I fear they will continue.

It works.

Just the threat of the Long Hot Summer keeps the spices flowing every year.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 08:27 PM (kKHcp)

551 510
Trump didn't say that. He did wonder how it came to be that Cruz Sr. was photographed in the company of Lee Harvey Oswald. I would be interested in hearing that story myself. All's we have heard on that subject is non-denial denials from team Cruz. Which makes me wonder even more. What was he doing with Oswald?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (R+30W)


The way I understood it was that Cruz Sr. was allegedly associated with Oswald's "Fair Play for Cuba Committee" well before the assassination.

Of course, nobody under 50 has any idea what that means. They just heard "Oswald" and jumped to the conclusion that Trump was referring to the JFK assassination.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:27 PM (sdi6R)

552 "I'm glad Buzzion didn't live to hear that."




*takes of hat, puts over heart*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (xiMfJ)

553 "Nobody ever talks about Trump's tax plan."

I think we're all done with tax plans.

This election has been helpful in that respect.

Ace has convinced me that most Republican voters don't care about lower taxes.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (UBBWX)

554 I'm not gay, sheesh.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (5115x)

555 Trump is a jackass.He keeps on saying stupid things that give the media cover to swarm over his comments. The same media that has zero interest in possibly the largest public corruption scandal ever, i.e. the "Clinton Foundation".

Posted by: cm9000 at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (Y/5qL)

556 >>>But what animates me the most, to be honest, are discussions about ideas. Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor Hillary really matter. It's the ideas which they represent that are the most important part IMO.

your opinion is wrong. What matters most is actual real-world consequences, like a SC stacked and jacked with Young Turk liberals who will rule us for 40 years.

What matters most is Loretta Lynch continuing to be paid to be Hillary's personal mob lawyer.

What matters most is Hilary continuing Obama's practice of ignoring the law and changing written law with a phone and a pen.

THE FUCKING SOUL OF THE GOP SHOULD BE FOUGHT ABOUT WHERE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOUGHT ABOUT -- IN WRITING, IN MAGAZINES, IN ARGUMENTS.

Not by tanking a fucking election to show a section of the GOP some find low class a lesson about listening to their betters.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (dciA+)

557 "Picking a state to say other following votes don't count is the definition of nitpicking. It's disingenuous."

Not really; counting vote totals in states where only one candidate is still running does not accurately reflect his support relative to other candidates. Its a 'minor' point because Trump clearly had more support than any other single candidate, and clearly didn't have majority support, either way.

And I have no idea what Romney's totals were, it frankly never entered my mind.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (KF8B+)

558 Chemjeff I'm not against you but 3rd party vote you might as well vote for 1 of my cats.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (bksJQ)

559 Right. Because there was no choice but Trump who was an enemy of the GOPe.

Oh wait, there was Cruz.

Without Trump, and the media pumping, Cruz would have won.

Trump is not the single solution to the GOPe.

But he was the most popular.

Should he lose to Hillary, you may wish to regret Hannity offering him hours and hours of free time.
Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:21 PM (UBBWX)

*****
Well, sure. The shitty, tone deaf, lecturing campaign Cruz ran had nothing to do with it. It was all Media. GOPe fucking the base over is not to be consieered. Riigghhttt...

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (u5E9A)

560 I'm agreeing more with Kreplach lately.

Republics fail.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (UBBWX)

561 I'm not gay, sheesh.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (5115x)




*nods sympathetically*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (8ZskC)

562 Link? One that has the actual words he used. A quote that has more specificity that "that story is inaccurate". I would like to see an actual quote of Cruz Sr. denying that it was him in that photograph. Good luck producing it, because it's not there.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (R+30W)
----------------------

No, dude, you're totally right. It's Cruz Sr. You've bested me and uncovered the conspiracy. Good job!

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (mFkVC)

563 But what animates me the most, to be honest, are
discussions about ideas. Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor
Hillary really matter. It's the ideas which they represent that are the
most important part IMO.


Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (5115x)
=================================================

Chemjeff, you have to have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association and freedom of conscience to enjoy the exploration of ideas. I believe Hillary to be a huge threat to those freedoms. Sometimes, all you have is a defensive block. That is where I think we are.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (dFi94)

564 But what animates me the most, to be honest, are discussions about ideas. Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor Hillary really matter. It's the ideas which they represent that are the most important part IMO.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (5115x)

---

Hillary wins, it will be her ideas that will be in play.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (ogaHx)

565 552 "I'm glad Buzzion didn't live to hear that."




*takes of hat, puts over heart*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (xiMfJ)

*pours shot of Val-U-Rite on the ground*

Posted by: Insomniac at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (0mRoj)

566 Then fine, chemjeff and Domiano and your ilk, know that when we wake up the morning after the election with that psychopathic c*nt as Obama's successor, you will have done as much to help her get there as the DNC.

Apparently we truly are the party of stupid.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (bS6uW)

567
I've been gone about an hour. Trump toss any babies around?
Posted by: Goomba




A set of triplets.

Juggled in a reversed three ball cascade. Pretty impressive, actually.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (kdS6q)

568 "I think George Gay was a sole survivor of a squadron at Midway in WWII"




He was. Torpedo 8. Wiped completely out save for him.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:30 PM (xiMfJ)

569 554 I'm not gay, sheesh.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (5115x)
----------

But if I remember correctly, you did drown a man so you could steal his bananas. In Vienna.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:30 PM (mFkVC)

570 Crap. I just bought a time-share.


Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:19 PM (dFi94)

party time !

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 08:30 PM (c6/9Q)

571 This blonde Swiss volleyball player is smoking hot.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (/tuJf)

572
"I'm glad Buzzion didn't live to hear that."

*takes of hat, puts over heart*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill




Lowers staff to half flag....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (kdS6q)

573 "Well, sure. The shitty, tone deaf, lecturing campaign Cruz ran had nothing to do with it. It was all Media. GOPe fucking the base over is not to be consieered. Riigghhttt..."

Do you think I support the GOPe?
I'm part of the base, doood, not a DC insider.

I didn't even consider Cruz until Ace and Drew sold me on him.

Part of that was because he provided immigration voters and so-cons something solid...normally those are not really my big issues.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (UBBWX)

574 In reality there are states you can stay home, or vote 10 times and its not changing which way your state goes. Pennsylvania might be a fight so I'm voting Trump.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (bksJQ)

575 527
Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason?

For if it prosper, none dare call it "treason."



Not the Bard. Sir John Harrington.
----------
Of course he said it. *facepalm* Sorry, quote misdone because of ill health today. the news and rainstorm outside aren't helping me either.

Posted by: exdem13 at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (ry4ab)

576 >>"I'm glad Buzzion didn't live to hear that."

*takes of hat, puts over heart*

*pours shot of Val-U-Rite on the ground*


*Breaks into Buzzions house and helps self to his vacuum cleaner*

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (c1srJ)

577 One thing that Trump has done is make an awful lot of people show who they really are.

Sean Hannity is an example of someone whose style I've not particularly cared for at times. However, over the past few months he has demonstrated a sharp sense of priority, and I admire him for it. He gets that our country is in an existential crisis and has shown himself to be one of the good guys.

On the other hand, an example of someone who I've developed a particular disgust for is Mark Levin. He's revealed himself to be a petty and bitter little man with a personal vendetta.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (H6376)

578 Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (dciA+)

Glad I'm not ace's keyboard right about now.

Posted by: Golfman at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (9HX7k)

579 I'm not gay, sheesh.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (5115x)


Hmmm. I think we need more proof than that.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (Pz4pT)

580 566 Then fine, chemjeff and Domiano and your ilk, know that when we wake up the morning after the election with that psychopathic c*nt as Obama's successor, you will have done as much to help her get there as the DNC.

Apparently we truly are the party of stupid.
Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (bS6uW)

Give some credit to the folks who voted for Trump in the primary.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (mFkVC)

581 You want to see sad, the real life effects of what's
going on? Watch a bunch of guys go to combat to defend our principles
and ideals and then come back to see this shit. To see a bunch of
cowards, manipulators and effeminate assholes playing games with our
future and undermining everything they fought for. To watch freedom
slip away at the hands of liars who use the military as a punch line
while they destroy them with their policies. This is one reason the
suicide rate of veterans is the highest among all groups.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 08:26 PM (MktOj)
==================================================

Everybody needs to read this right there ^^^^

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (dFi94)

582 No, dude, you're totally right. It's Cruz Sr. You've bested me and uncovered the conspiracy. Good job!

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (mFkVC)

++++

Who said anything about a conspiracy? Not me. I am convinced that whatever the story is about he came to photographed with Oswald is an interesting story. I would like to hear him tell it.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (R+30W)

583 >>> Sometimes, all you have is a defensive block. That is where I think we are.

indeed. I'd rather have my own man carry the ball down the field, but if I can't have that, if the best I can have is an awkward dude who can only trip over his feet and fall on his face -- I still want the ball in that guy's hand, because I DON'T want the ball in Hillary's hand.

Trump's a wash, Hillary is a huge loss.

Is a wash great? NOPE!

Guess what -- it's better than losing.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (dciA+)

584 I'm not gay, sheesh.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Posted by: The Zombie Bard at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (Tyii7)

585 The media crossfire on Trump is almost unbelievable and not like anything I've ever seen. BOTH sides are wildly exaggerating his defects. This could kill him, or it could backfire and cause a popular uprising--against the press and the establishment. Especially if the stock market decides to correct itself.

Posted by: Caliban at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (3GFMN)

586 Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor Hillary really matter.
----------------------------------------------

Maybe in the long run of human history, but one of them will matter a lot over the next eight years. Beyond too, once Hillary announces the end of the Republic.

Posted by: MTF at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (E3EdC)

587 "Without Trump, and the media pumping, Cruz would have won."

Wait wut? I thought Senator Cruz was the smartest man in ant given room able to out smart Rock, Bullwinkle, Boris, and Natasha.

Trump and the media should have been no problem for "Super Cruz"!!

Wut? Wait again. yurtle mcturtle pulled the woll over this guys eyes.

zoonk zoonk!! Game over.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 10, 2016 08:33 PM (WVsWD)

588 >> I'm not gay, sheesh.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:28 PM (5115x)


Not even for Bradley Cooper?

Don't lie to us, Jeff.
You can lie to yourself, but not to us.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:33 PM (c1srJ)

589 Trump isn't anti-gay, CJ, if that's what you're concerned about.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2016 08:33 PM (8ZskC)

590 "I'm super-conservative which is why I'm helping Hilary get elected" makes no sense, and it will continue not making sense, no matter how many times NeverTrumpers claim it makes complete sense.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:33 PM (dciA+)

591 Oh please, Trump is not that bad. He's a doofus and would thereby be hamstrung as POTUS, but he genuinely wants to make the USA work again.

Posted by: Crossfit Addict at August 10, 2016 08:33 PM (FKWJm)

592 Well, chemjeff, you are making disingenuous arguments bc you can get away with it bc you are a long time regular.

Even on the Hilary defended a guilty rapist thread you couldn't bring yourself to condemn Hilary. Instead you made a stupid, simplistic legal argument in her defense.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (6IPEM)

593 564
But what animates me the most, to be honest, are discussions about
ideas. Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor Hillary really
matter. It's the ideas which they represent that are the most important
part IMO.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (5115x)



---



Hillary wins, it will be her ideas that will be in play.
-----
Hillary has no ideas any more. She only has desires, for power, money, and women, just like she imagined the big boys she always wanted to be like when she was young. She outlived her pinko politics, now only the Hag Stalin is left. THAT is what we will get if she is elected president.

Posted by: exdem13 at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (ry4ab)

594 516
He had the police evict a man from his Tower, turns out he was a tourist from Virginia who wanted to see Trump and give him a message.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:22 PM (bksJQ)


Wouldn't it have easier to just send Trump a tweet?

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (sdi6R)

595 As my mom always said Fight nice
Good night all.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (bksJQ)

596 Killary doesn't need the SC to nix the 2nd Amendment. She already has every regulatory office at her beck and call. There is going to be a $2,500 fee for gunsmiths to have a license. That shit will grow exponentially. When a bottle of Hoppes # 9 cost $65.00 , you know we will have arrived.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (QrM6Y)

597 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:24 PM (5115x)

But your assertion above that you've never argued against Trump is patently false.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (jBqMt)

598 nood non-political Falcon 9 rocket

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (dciA+)

599 chemjeff is gay?

Posted by: Crossfit Addict at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (FKWJm)

600 >>>This blonde Swiss volleyball player is smoking hot.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (/tuJf)<<<

Sucks that they're borrowing clothes from the Egyptian team's lockers tonight.

Posted by: that's not beachwear!!! at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (H9MG5)

601 Hillary has no ideas any more. She only has desires, for power, money, and women, just like she imagined the big boys she always wanted to be like when she was young. She outlived her pinko politics, now only the Hag Stalin is left. THAT is what we will get if she is elected president.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (ry4ab)

---

"ideas"

Better?

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (ogaHx)

602 What I find most disheartening about the voluntary retardation of NeverTrumpism is how many big names have been sucked into it-

Here Exhibit #1 from a thread yesterday- Mark Levin:

So I am listening to Levin on the radio on the way home. He is just taking it to Trump, how awful he is, about how he can never get enough votes because all he did was win the Republican primary (Lord knows no one who has ever won the Republican primary did so with enough votes to win the general election...but I digress), and on and on and on, how he could be an apologetic for Trump like "all the others" but he just has to face reality.

And then his first caller comes on, says I am a lifelong Republican since Nixon, but now I am going to vote for Hillary.

Levin cuts him off - "Whoa! What do you want to do that for?"

Now, Levin is a smart guy. Why would he think constantly degrading Trump would not result in people deciding to vote for Hillary?



Yeah, I used to respect Levin but he's literally gone nuts after Cruz lost.

I haven't listened to him for a couple of weeks so I though I'd tune in today and see if he was still a nut bar #NeverTrumptard.

Surprise! he was.

Repeating. Every. Single. Libtard. Talking. Point.

and reinforcing them by-

playing the same Selective Editing of Trump's speech as CNN, MsNBC, etc.

He could've played a few of the sentences before and a few of the sentences after the horrible remark of terror.

and everyone of his listeners would've seen that it was a big nothing.

But, nope.

On and on and on about how #NeverTrumptards interpretation of innocent remarks was Trump's fault.

And then the friggin' cherry on the top- was a loooong monologue abut how NeverTrumptards constant negativism wasn't driving Trump's numbers down.

It was Trump. Trump was the head of the NeverTrump movement because NeverTrumps are not responsible for their own moral agency and efx in the real world. (I'm paraphrasing but that was actually the gist of it).

Just sad.

really.

He's lost his mind.

I would like conservatives to have influence with Trump if he wins becuz we supported him-

but there's no chance of that if high profile "conservatives" like Levin are constantly undercutting him.

Yeeesh.



Masks are falling all over.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (HGtd0)

603 Frankly, in the long run, neither Trump nor Hillary really matter. It's the ideas which they represent that are the most important part

That is embarrassingly stupid. Seriously, that reads like the words of a freshman philosophy student. I look forward to your next post on the meaning of truth and beauty.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (bS6uW)

604 568
"I think George Gay was a sole survivor of a squadron at Midway in WWII"



He was. Torpedo 8. Wiped completely out save for him.

========


I heard him speak and met him. Got his autograph on one of my dixie cup covers.

It was my honor and pleasure.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (zu88C)

605 Over at ZeroHedge:


The utter cluelessness of the professional apologists and punditry would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic:
the more you fume and rage that Trump is unqualified, narcissistic,
singularly inappropriate, etc. etc. etc., the more appealing he becomes
to everyone who isn't inside the protective walls of your neofeudal
castle.

The people outside the cozy walls of the protected elites don't care
if he is unqualified (by the standards of those who get to pick our
presidents for us) narcissistic, singularly inappropriate, and so
on--they are cheering him on because you, the multitudes of
water-carriers for the Imperial elites, the teeming hordes of well-paid,
I-got-mine-so-shut-the-heck-up pundits, flacks, hacks, sycophants,
apparatchiks, toadies, lackeys, functionaries, leeches and apologists,
are so visibly afraid that your perks, wealth, influence and power might
drain away if the 80% actually get a say.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (tvyXw)

606
Without Trump, and the media pumping, Cruz would have won.
Posted by: Sexypig




All he would have had to do is -- double his percentage of the popular vote, and quadruple the number of states he won.

Easy peazy.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2016 08:35 PM (kdS6q)

607 'Trump and the media should have been no problem for "Super Cruz"!!'

so, when Trump loses, don't whine about the media being against him.

Because Super Trump, right?

the reality is the media is very important.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (UBBWX)

608 You know how I know you're gay?

You talk about what animates you.

Posted by: Cal at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (7C/kB)

609 LOL, I am not here to defend Hillary , I am here to bury Trump

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (c6/9Q)

610 "*Breaks into Buzzions house and helps self to his vacuum cleaner*"



Anything in his refrigerator? Liquor cabinet?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (xiMfJ)

611 I think we're over tax plans--sexypig


In Soviet America, tax plans are over you.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (zu88C)

612 I've been gone about an hour. Trump toss any babies around?
Posted by: Goomba


Trump apparently started to kick an old man, but he kicked so hard that his leg exceeded the speed of light, went backward in time, and kicked the man when he was a baby.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (H6376)

613 @ ace at August 10, 2016 08:14 PM (dciA+)

Completely agree about McCain.

Completely agree that Trump is- astoundingly- preferable to Hillary.

At issue, however, is Hillary is currently trouncing Trump 256/ 154 best case, 362/ 176 worst case. As I mentioned earlier, even if 100% NeverTrumps and everyone remotely right leaning turns out and votes for Trump, he still loses big.

So, the real question is: how the fuck do me mitigate the damage and get through the next 4 to 8 years? Even if Hillary drops dead and 53% of the country that has supported her ilk for the past several decades dies with her tomorrow, that question remains equally valid because the ridiculously unlikely alternative to Hillary still gives us expanded government everything, including Obamacare (abeit by a different name) and zero ability to deal with our escalating international and global issues.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (71OEY)

614 George Gay, the pilot at Midway?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 10, 2016 08:37 PM (IqV8l)

615 "All he would have had to do is -- double his percentage of the popular vote, and quadruple the number of states he won.

Easy peazy."

You think Trump voters would have chosen, say Kasich or Rubio, then?

Interesting.

Look folks, if you think Rubio or Kasich or Jeb are better than Cruz, that's fine. LOL.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:37 PM (UBBWX)

616 Just remember. The Presidency pays less than Hillary and Bill make giving speeches. They already have lifetime health benefits and SS protection.

So Hillary ain't gunning for the White House just to pick out new curtains. This shit will be a daily event. Bill will be unstoppable and you thought Barack and his pen did damage.

Hillary will utterly destroy this country.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 08:38 PM (pUDQf)

617 Is a wash great? NOPE!

Guess what -- it's better than losing.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:32 PM (dciA+)

It still gets you one point in the NHL.

So there's that.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 08:38 PM (jBqMt)

618 ZeroHedge guys get it

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 08:38 PM (c6/9Q)

619 Who I get pissed about are the Anti-Cruzers who spread their Alt-Right bullshit like it is gospel.

--Your sources suck, your swastikas shine and your brains are made of oatmeal and raisins.

"He just looks funny".

Okay, sweetheart.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:38 PM (6gk0M)

620 " heard him speak and met him. Got his autograph on one of my dixie cup covers.

It was my honor and pleasure. "





I can imagine. Envious.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 10, 2016 08:39 PM (xiMfJ)

621 Even on the Hilary defended a guilty rapist thread
you couldn't bring yourself to condemn Hilary. Instead you made a
stupid, simplistic legal argument in her defense.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (6IPEM)

I did not even participate in that discussion.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:39 PM (5115x)

622 Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (71OEY)

So why does the Beast get almost all the tossup electoral votes?

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 08:40 PM (jBqMt)

623 someone who I've developed a particular disgust for
is Mark Levin. He's revealed himself to be a petty and bitter little
man with a personal vendetta.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (H6376)


Agreed, sorry to say.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 10, 2016 08:40 PM (Y/5qL)

624 I think Cruz would have won easily if superficial things, like his looks and manner, had been better.

he lost due to superficialities -- the dreamboat dummy Rubio made too many people swoon.

That's not a reason to think conservatism is dead, and it's no reason to be butthurt about it.

i wish people weren't so superficial. By which I mean: I wish most people weren't as superficial as i am.

They are. that's reality.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:40 PM (dciA+)

625 >>Posted by: grammie winger at August 10,

I'm tired of planting friends who survived the most horrendous things mankind had to offer only to watch them take their own lives because people are so self absorbed, dishonest and manipulative to realize what they are doing has a real disastrous impact to our future.

In the end politics isn't some inconsequential game. The choices you make in life have real impacts. It's about time some people actually learned that.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 08:40 PM (MktOj)

626 George Gay, the pilot at Midway?


------


yep. met him in 1988 , he was speaking at the Naval Reserve Center at Georgia Tech.

A few years earlier I had built a Corsair model and hung it from my ceiling.

The cover art of the model was George Gay in a 'Mae West' life preserver floating next to the Jap destroyer. He said it almost ran him over.

That was such a great day!

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:41 PM (zu88C)

627
But your assertion above that you've never argued against Trump is patently false.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (jBqMt)

I did not assert that I never argued against Trump.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:41 PM (5115x)

628 You think Trump voters would have chosen, say Kasich or Rubio, then?

Interesting.

Look folks, if you think Rubio or Kasich or Jeb are better than Cruz, that's fine. LOL.
Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:37 PM (UBBWX)

****
You're going to have to clean up all that straw this time. I am NOT doing it again.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 08:41 PM (u5E9A)

629 >>I did not assert that I never argued against Trump.


Nor did you assert that you were gay for Bradley Cooper.

But, c'mon...you're not even a little curious?

I just don't buy it.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:43 PM (c1srJ)

630 The postman always rings twice.

Posted by: Red Kasich at August 10, 2016 08:43 PM (Tyii7)

631 s/b The cover art of the model box

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:43 PM (zu88C)

632 >>>At issue, however, is Hillary is currently trouncing Trump 256/ 154 best case, 362/ 176 worst case. As I mentioned earlier, even if 100% NeverTrumps and everyone remotely right leaning turns out and votes for Trump, he still loses big.

i don't know about that. Dude is pulling now like 75% of the GOP vote.

If that were at the 94% romney had? We'd be talking Trump ahead by a point or two.

When Trump was ahead in the polls, he had like 84% GOP support.

Makes a big difference.

Yes, NeverTrump, you do have an impact. You can't run away from your own influence and numbers when you find it convenient to do so.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:43 PM (dciA+)

633 @602

I like Levin but he is still part of the overall "conservative Commentariate Industrial Complex" and at the end of the day his business model is based on selling conservative product and I can fully comprehend that Trump is anthitetical and offensive to everything he believes in and holds dear but this election is bigger then principle.

Hillary Clinton becoming President is an Extinction Level Event.

All things must be viewed through that principle.

There is simply no other choice but to push Trump's sorry ass across the finish line and worry about corralling him and his exuberences later.

A Hillary loss effectively ends the Clinton Crime Cartel and the Clintons themselves.

That is our mission that is the task at hand.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2016 08:44 PM (7C/kB)

634 Hillary wins, it will be her ideas that will be in play.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (ogaHx)

Her ideas are *already* in play. If she croaked dead tomorrow, her ideas would still be in play by whomever her successor would be.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:44 PM (5115x)

635 "The Justice Department had looked into whether it should open a case on the foundation a year prior and found it didn't have sufficient evidence to do so."

Just rephrase that a little: The Justice Department said "We don't have enough evidence a crime occurred here, so don't you dare go looking for evidence that a crime occurred here."

Par for the course.

Posted by: Sayyid at August 10, 2016 08:44 PM (1QPOQ)

636 i wish people weren't so superficial. By which I mean: I wish most people weren't as superficial as i am.

They are. that's reality.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2016 08:40 PM (dciA+)

Reminds me of how people who watched the Nixon/Kennedy debates on TV thought JFK won. People who heard them on the radio thought Nixon won.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2016 08:44 PM (H6376)

637 Even on the Hilary defended a guilty rapist thread

you couldn't bring yourself to condemn Hilary. Instead you made a

stupid, simplistic legal argument in her defense.



Posted by: L, Elle at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (6IPEM)
I did not even participate in that discussion.


Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:39 PM (5115x)


But you would have said Trump would be worse than Hillary if you had. Right?

Posted by: cm9000 at August 10, 2016 08:44 PM (Y/5qL)

638 Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:36 PM (UBBWX)

Where should we send the check to?

Posted by: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN at August 10, 2016 08:45 PM (WVsWD)

639 "I coulda been a contender" If wishes and buts were candy and nuts ( somebody help me out here) We are where we are.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2016 08:45 PM (QrM6Y)

640 Commenters are voters.

No way around that.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (zu88C)

641 What's fucking crazy is that Hillary has to be a certain level of bad before they'll vote for Trump. How fucking bad does she have to be?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (pUDQf)

642 571
This blonde Swiss volleyball player is smoking hot.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2016 08:31 PM (/tuJf)

^^^THIS591
Oh please, Trump is not that bad. He's a doofus and would thereby be
hamstrung as POTUS, but he genuinely wants to make the USA work again.

Posted by: Crossfit Addict at August 10, 2016 08:33 PM (FKWJm)

^^^And THIS

Posted by: Ian R.R. Galt at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (8iiMU)

643 All of my ideas in play can be found in The Little Red Book. *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (Tyii7)

644 "Yes, NeverTrump, you do have an impact. You can't run away from your own influence and numbers when you find it convenient to do so."

You think this is due to Never Trump?

and not say, Mexican Judge comments?

or comments about the family of a guy who died for America?

Guess what gets on my radio?

Trumps' direct statements.

Not Jonah Goldberg tweets.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (UBBWX)

645 I'm tired of planting friends who survived the most horrendous things
mankind had to offer only to watch them take their own lives because
people are so self absorbed, dishonest and manipulative to realize what
they are doing has a real disastrous impact to our future.

================================================


Yes. It's a terrible thing to hear that someone who served with you, lived thru the war part and lost in the being-home part. Three times for my son, not counting the ones who died over in that hell-hole of a sandbox. In my mind, this is why the Progressives should never get to sit in the CiC chair. They don't give a flying crap.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (dFi94)

646 "What has our presence, influence and money spent in the last 20 plus years actually done....for the US?"

Besides expanding and protecting liberal democracy in countries that are actually receptive to it, it has served to constrain an at best competing and at worst hostile power and given us more influence in a strategically and economically important region of the world than would have otherwise been the case, for relatively little added cost. Also, it better enables us to project military power during emergencies.

I guess I just don't see countries like Russia or China as unworthy of threat containment. Do you also disagree with our alliance with Japan, South Korea, and the Phillippines?






Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (KF8B+)

647 Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 08:29 PM (bS6uW)

Yup. It's all my fault. Trump would be running a perfect, flawless, unbelievably effective campaign if it were not for me.

I even follow him around and drug him before his speeches. You know that whole, "Hey, let's spend the week after the convention talking about forming an anti-Criuz SuperPAC!" thing instead of going after his actual opponent? That was my idea.

You're absolutely right. It is 100% my fault that the guy who didn't get above 40% support from his own party in the primaries is proving to have exponentially less support outside the party, exactly like everyone and every poll showed since the beginning. It's also my fault that 53% of the country has consistently voted for free shit from Democrats and this situation has not improved. They still want their free shit and are pissed off that the Republican controlled Congress prevented Obama from giving it to them. Don't believe me? Obama's current approval rating is 55% vs. congress at around 16%.

Trump's -27.6% approval with all voters? That's my fault too.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (71OEY)

648 624 I think Cruz would have won easily if superficial things, like his looks and manner, had been better.
-----------

I think you might be right. Whenever I would hear that crap, I would say well, I'm not looking for Miss Congeniality, I'm looking for a president who knows the Constitution and will abide by it.

Besides, whenever, besides George Washington, has there been a presidential election where everyone agreed?

Posted by: bluebell at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (805dc)

649 BTW, why is Hillary never holding press conferences?

Because she also knows that her own direct statements do her the most damage.


Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:47 PM (UBBWX)

650 I also like how Ross' bikini bottom tends to crawl up her fine, fine butt.

I can't help it, I'm hardwired this way.....


Posted by: Ian R.R. Galt at August 10, 2016 08:47 PM (8iiMU)

651 Every year, like most of you who are seeing your doctor annually for checkups, I get the usual comprehensive blood test done and it has always delighted my doctor due to the fact that it shows that my liver is doing wonderfully. It's this way because I've been good about keeping my drinking in check - I'll have a beer every now and then but otherwise, I haven't really been much of a drinker during the past 35 years I've been able to do so legally.

With this election, I am now questioning the wisdom of my approach: Why should I have been so considerate of my health? What good will it do to live through the destruction of the Republic? What a fool I've been to faithfully follow the advice of medical science.

Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at August 10, 2016 08:47 PM (0phrO)

652 No Ace, I believe "conservatism" has been permanently stained. The people at NRO, RS, Levin, et al who are running with the never trump bull and then trying deflect the fact that what they are doing is helping Clinton, has shown their real motives. They've lost my support forever.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2016 08:47 PM (MktOj)

653 One thing we can all agree on is that Donald Trump bears no responsibility for the success or failure of his campaign.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 10, 2016 08:48 PM (fn3+8)

654 This blonde Swiss volleyball player is smoking hot.


wow. Thanks for the heads up, JackStraw!

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:48 PM (zu88C)

655 The Swiss Misses definitely win the beauty contest.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:48 PM (c1srJ)

656 "Where should we send the check to?
Posted by: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN"

Trump delivered them ratings. They got checks.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:48 PM (UBBWX)

657 For the record, I don't think a man's sexual orientation has the slightest impact on his ability to teach chemistry to future terrorists.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 10, 2016 08:49 PM (wjEzi)

658 indeed. I'd rather have my own man carry the ball down the field, but if
I can't have that, if the best I can have is an awkward dude who can
only trip over his feet and fall on his face -- I still want the ball in
that guy's hand, because I DON'T want the ball in Hillary's hand.



Okay, let's use your football analogy for a moment.

If Hillary gets the ball, she will immediately run it down the field for a touchdown.

If Trump gets the ball, he will run in the *same direction*, just not as far - possibly.

I get it that we both don't want the ball in Hillary's hands because she not only will advance liberal proggieness but is a demonstrably more corrupt person on top of that. But in either case, the ball is going in the wrong direction.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:49 PM (5115x)

659 >> I also like how Ross' bikini bottom tends to crawl up her fine, fine butt.


Me, too.

It's the closeup of her face I can't abide.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 08:49 PM (c1srJ)

660 "Do you want a country that is still recognizably America in four years, or do you want... something darker?"

This is exactly why I'm NeverTrump. I loathe them both, but I think the downside risk is worse with Hairpiece than with Cankles.

Posted by: ScurvyOaks at August 10, 2016 08:49 PM (e6Kkp)

661
One thing we can all agree on is that Donald Trump bears no responsibility for the success or failure of his campaign

------------


You know what's worse than a passive-aggressive arguer?



Nothing.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:49 PM (zu88C)

662 641 What's fucking crazy is that Hillary has to be a certain level of bad before they'll vote for Trump. How fucking bad does she have to be?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 08:46 PM (pUDQf)

Apparently "mean" is viewed as worse than "crooked" or "dishonest" in our woeful modern PC culture.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2016 08:50 PM (H6376)

663 It's the closeup of her face I can't abide.

butterface

Posted by: That guy who always says... at August 10, 2016 08:50 PM (Tyii7)

664 The #NeverTrumpers at this point are cowards on many many different levels.

When this country was a baby through a teenager people thought of their vote as a sacrifice. Now it's nothing more than a pompom or a tongue on their master/owners boot.

Think about it.

I have eat tunafish and mayo, on porkrinds for dinner. Believe it or not this blog has helped me through the darkest days of my life recently and I'm glad the Ewok started talking health and dieting and fitness because it helped motivate me to pick myself up one last time.

Later.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 08:50 PM (qiqGr)

665 It's going to be interesting when Hillary is being blackmailed by US enemies if she becomes POTUS.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 08:51 PM (ogaHx)

666 I will be voting for Trump and doing all I can to help elect GOP Senators, even if the Mark Kirk's don't deserve it. Ace pretty much explained why I hold this position regarding Trump. He'll be held accountable, as will a GOP-controlled Senate, so for this alone, I will support them.

I wish I had better options but there aren't any short of SMOD.

Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at August 10, 2016 08:51 PM (0phrO)

667 But you would have said Trump would be worse than Hillary if you had. Right?




Posted by: cm9000 at August 10, 2016 08:44 PM (Y/5qL)

Trump worse how? In defending rapists? No, Trump never did that, Hillary did do that though. And laughed about it. Which is particularly sick.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:51 PM (5115x)

668 @662

As far as I know Trump does not have a body count.

So apparently to some being "mean" is worse the actually killing people.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2016 08:51 PM (7C/kB)

669 and not say, Mexican Judge comments?



or comments about the family of a guy who died for America?



If you think "comments" out-weigh corrupt actions you are an idiot.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 10, 2016 08:52 PM (Y/5qL)

670 >>>It's going to be interesting when Hillary is being blackmailed by US enemies if she becomes POTUS.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 08:51 PM (ogaHx)<<<

I am not going back to Russia. No. Fucking. Way.

Posted by: Alaska at August 10, 2016 08:52 PM (H9MG5)

671 I think the downside risk is worse with Hairpiece than with Cankles.



Yeah lower taxes and enforced immigration law are definitely scarier than the Hell-Bitch cancelling the Second Amendment, there butch.

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:52 PM (zu88C)

672 "No Ace, I believe "conservatism" has been permanently stained. The people at NRO, RS, Levin, et al who are running with the never trump bull and then trying deflect the fact that what they are doing is helping Clinton, has shown their real motives. They've lost my support forever."

I actually agree with this partially.

Some of these guys are just soooo lame.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:53 PM (UBBWX)

673 Chemjeff... please allow me to save you from yourself.

I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% of this blog's posters "get" what you are saying.

You keep trying to say it over-and-over again with different words, in different manners, with different emphasis.

I tried this during the Primaries. It nearly drove me crazy.

I left the blog for months, because I didn't need anything more than real life. ...I get it.

I tried this during the nomination speeches. I was merely being a sore loser, but I had a point to make and I was going to make it.

After so long, it is time to put down the baseball bat because although there are idiot horses that once bit and "neighed" like jackasses?

...they are dead.

You need to stop beating them.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 08:53 PM (6gk0M)

674 As my mom always said Fight nice
Good night all.
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2016 08:34 PM (bksJQ)

Fight Nithe?
Was yo momma 50-6?

Thees a puthy.

Posted by: Mike Tython at August 10, 2016 08:53 PM (kKHcp)

675
660 "Do you want a country that is still recognizably America in four years, or do you want... something darker?"

This is exactly why I'm NeverTrump. I loathe them both, but I think the downside risk is worse with Hairpiece than with Cankles.
Posted by: ScurvyOaks at August 10, 2016 08:49 PM (e6Kkp)

So you'll go with the rapist protecting felon over the guy who isn't a rapist protecting felon. I think you need to retake logic 101.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 08:53 PM (pUDQf)

676 If you think "comments" out-weigh corrupt actions you are an idiot.

But...but...they're so hurtful.

Posted by: Oberlin College Snowflake at August 10, 2016 08:53 PM (Tyii7)

677 "If you think "comments" out-weigh corrupt actions you are an idiot."

I am not the arbiter of which outweighs which.

Look at polls.

That is the arbiter.

Maybe Trump, who once could cite poll after poll, should take a peek at those, too.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:54 PM (UBBWX)

678
or comments about the family of a guy who died for America who sold out their son's memory by becoming Hillary's political props in return for a few table scraps from the Clinton Foundation ?


FTFY

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:55 PM (zu88C)

679 It's just silly to think China or Russia would blackmail the Clintons. Crazy talk.

They both love the Clintons. Bill have China satellite tech and Hillary have Russia Uranium.

Why screw up a good thing?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 08:55 PM (pUDQf)

680 Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:48 PM (UBBWX)

But we have you on infinite repeat without spending a cent.

You keep parroting our propaganda for free.

Thanks!

Posted by: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN at August 10, 2016 08:56 PM (WVsWD)

681 BTW, "comments" by a president can be corrupting.

Obama's "comments" about IRS audits of enemies?

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:56 PM (UBBWX)

682 Slapweasel, I think that is good advice for now.

I will stick to ideas and policies from now on. Not discussing individuals.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:56 PM (5115x)

683 Look. Trump pretty much makes me sick. If I can vote for Trump, anybody can vote for Trump.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 08:56 PM (dFi94)

684 "But we have you on infinite repeat without spending a cent.

You keep parroting our propaganda for free.

Thanks!"

Oh, sorry for expressing my opinion.

I guess Ace is right: he and his readers want a 100% all Trump comment zone.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:57 PM (UBBWX)

685 Shame on anyone who goes Hillary, just disgusted!

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 08:58 PM (9plvG)

686 I guess Ace is right: he and his readers want a 100% all Trump comment zone.


see 661

Posted by: Mortimer at August 10, 2016 08:58 PM (zu88C)

687 679 It's just silly to think China or Russia would blackmail the Clintons. Crazy talk.

They both love the Clintons. Bill have China satellite tech and Hillary have Russia Uranium.

Why screw up a good thing?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 08:55 PM (pUDQf)

---

*AHEM*

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 10, 2016 08:58 PM (ogaHx)

688 You know ... I'm more interested in the aura, the vibe, the cosmic chi of the candidates. Their interplay across the whole psychic spectrum intrigues me more than simple, base, mundane pedestrian concerns. I'm taking a holistic view of the was and will be ... rather than only the now. That's what excites me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 10, 2016 08:58 PM (wjEzi)

689 It has been mentioned before, but a critical issue is the spinelessness of the fcuking GOPe in Congress. If we would have an actual opposition party, many problems could be avoided.

The Haggard Queen gets elected? Then a strong, truly conservative Congress could stop her in her tracks. (Yes, I may be a dreamer.)

Trump gets elected? Then truly stupid shit that he may try would also be thwarted.

Libtards have been losing hundreds and hundreds of state legislature seats, as well as federal seats. Why oh WHY can't the GOP grow a pair of balls and punch the fcuk back? This has always astounded me, and disheartened me.

However, the fact that Trump (and Sanders, so a lesser degree) have pushed hard against their respective establishment powers gives me some hope that the 'Murican people might possibly be starting to maybe wake up.

When Atlas finally shrugs, then everybody is going to be wide awake.





Posted by: Ian Galt at August 10, 2016 08:58 PM (8iiMU)

690 >>> "That's not a reason to think conservatism is dead, and it's no reason to be butthurt about it."

Uhh Ace, I hate to break it to you in such stark terms, but the electorate isn't going to get any easier for conservatives. The left has been dancing since 2008 about how at a certain point, the minority vote gives them a permanent place in the federal government. This is probably going to be the election that does it.

Unless there is a way to slow immigration long enough to have Hispanics assimilate into the white voting block, we are going to permanently lose. Italians, Germans, and Irish all block-voted until people stopped immigrating from there and assimilation ensued.

I don't mean to get alt-righty on you, but I do think this is our last election. First they win the presidency, then they pack the court, then they do whatever they want.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at August 10, 2016 08:59 PM (Wt+M2)

691 "Shame on anyone who goes Hillary, just disgusted!"

Has anyone said they actually will vote Hillary?

Meg Whitman.

Ooooohh.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:59 PM (UBBWX)

692 *AHEM*

Posted by: Iran, North Korea, Turkey, etc at August 10, 2016 08:59 PM (ogaHx)

693 "I don't mean to get alt-righty on you, but I do think this is our last election. First they win the presidency, then they pack the court, then they do whatever they want."

Even if Trump wins, the demographics will continue on.

Remember, he's only against illegal immigration.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:00 PM (UBBWX)

694 >>I don't mean to get alt-righty on you, but I do think this is our last election. First they win the presidency, then they pack the court, then they do whatever they want.


Except : Pay the Bills.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 09:00 PM (c1srJ)

695 -Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 08:56 PM (5115x)

God bless you, Brother! Find peace instead of consternation. Fight when necessary, by all means!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 10, 2016 09:01 PM (6gk0M)

696 I guess Ace is right: he and his readers want a 100% all Trump comment zone.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:57 PM (UBBWX)

I do think many of Ace's readers want to purge those critical of Trump, but I have to stick up for Ace here. He is a remarkably tolerant blog host. Just about every other right-of-center blog, and that includes places like NRO, have long since purged the dissenters. Ace is very hesitant to wield the banhammer and when he does the victim indisputably deserves it.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 09:01 PM (5115x)

697 Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 08:57 PM (UBBWX)

0 Results found.

sexypig + anti + clinton.

Posted by: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN at August 10, 2016 09:02 PM (WVsWD)

698 The Soviets had a word for their untouchable overclass: nomenklatura.

The whole shebang existed solely for the benefit of this small group of gangsters who owned the USSR. That is where are rapidly headed.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 10, 2016 09:02 PM (IdCqF)

699 The only question regarding Paul Ryan in a Hillary Presidency is whether he likes the strap on lubed with baby oil or astroglide. He's getting fucked either way.

Ok. Another question may be whether he smiles are not when Huma bends him over.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 09:02 PM (pUDQf)

700 Even if Trump wins, the demographics will continue on.
========================================


The most consistent votes for Republican candidates come from married couples with children who regularly attend religious services. So - get married, have lots of babies, and go to church. Bingo! You're growing the demographics.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2016 09:03 PM (dFi94)

701 If this country turns over to Hillary! the power to nominate Supreme Court justices it is over. Chief Justice Sotomeyer will declare the 2nd amendment unconstitutional and there go your right to protect your family. Far fetched? Se the SC rulings on obamacare, gay marriage, etc.

NeverTrump is nothing more than national suicide. Love him or hate him, he ain't Hillary! and that fact alone is enough for me to vote for him in the hope my vote helps him exceed the margin of fraud in the November election.

Posted by: Alf767 at August 10, 2016 09:03 PM (qGI+A)

702 The Nevertrump position seems to be premised on the assumption that DJT is just as bad as Hillary Clinton. They're both New York liberals. Trump will pick liberal Supreme Court justices and will generally be liberal in other actions he takes as well.

If you honestly think that, here is what you necessarily have to believe....

That Trump will hurt and betray tens of millions of people who've showered him with adoration for over a year, people who have defended him at ever turn, while....

Delighting people who have expressed some of the most virulent hatred imaginable towards him and his family. One of whom tried to attack him by rushing the stage, and another who tried to grab a gun and ASSASSINATE HIM.


Nah, I don't see that kind of disloyalty coming from him. I think the Nevertrumpers are all wet.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2016 09:03 PM (H6376)

703 "I do think many of Ace's readers want to purge those critical of Trump, but I have to stick up for Ace here. He is a remarkably tolerant blog host. Just about every other right-of-center blog, and that includes places like NRO, have long since purged the dissenters. Ace is very hesitant to wield the banhammer and when he does the victim indisputably deserves it."

No, I agree. But he specifically implored us to stop attacking Trump. Which is fine.

I'm actually surprised he thinks comments sections count for much in real life.

I'll maybe refrain from commenting. I know it was not so fun reading all the "true-cons" who hated Romney - another flawed candidate that really had to win.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:04 PM (UBBWX)

704 @ ace at August 10, 2016 08:43 PM (dciA+)

I disagree with your math because I think you're overestimating the size of the R pool, but no matter. We're both speculating and let's assume that Trump had Romney level R support.

It means Trump still loses. 53% of the country votes for whomever promises the most free shit. Most of them are democrats, yes, and Democrat turn out has the potential to go down vs. 2008 and 2012, looking solely at Hillary. However, Trump's disapproval outside of Rs is still double Hillary's.

No R wins one R votes alone. Yes, they don't win without them either, I concede that. My point still, I believe, stands. Even assuming 100% Rs for Trump and depressed D turnout vs. 2008/ 2012, Trump is not selling to independents or turning Ds.

That's all popular vote. One could lose the popular and win the electoral except the electoral math for Trump is even worse than the popular math.

Why? It's not NeverTrump. It is the simple fact that nearly 100% of universities, unions, government agencies and workers, and public education employees all believe in goverment as our savior and everything can be solved by taking more money from rich people and giving away free shit. College graduation rates and enrollment rates are skyrocketing, meaning an exponentially increasing number of SJWs each year who all have exponentially increasing debt and exponentially fewer employment opportunities as increasingly greater percentages of GDP is moved out of the market and consumed by government and government dependents.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:04 PM (71OEY)

705 "We are literally witnessing the end of the Republic itself, and yet people prefer to dwell on smaller things."

The only thing I would add is that it's been going on for quite awhile. Only lately have people picked their heads out of the sand for a few seconds at a time.

Obama has been in our faces for years.

What's really changed is that the Praetorian guard has finally showed themselves. They've been there for a long time.

Comey, Lynch, and Holder need to be in prison among others. No joke.

And Trump is not even remotely in their categories.






Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 09:04 PM (dJgZA)

706 "The most consistent votes for Republican candidates come from married couples with children who regularly attend religious services. So - get married, have lots of babies, and go to church. Bingo! You're growing the demographics."

A positive message! I indeed am married, and have a child...but am too old for more.

I do instill in her respect for the constitution and natural rights, too.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:05 PM (UBBWX)

707 185
Reagan had a strong personality. He did good with what he had. The founding Fathers all had strong personalities.
The difference is that you pretty much never get that transformational change without a strong personality leading the way.
Hillary can be as evil as she wants to be, but without that cult following, it means next to nothing at all. No one will start or partake in her revolution.

Trump on the other hand, as evidenced by his fervent cult following and his hatred of checks on his power... He can actually do some serious harm.

Posted by: astonerii at August 10, 2016 09:06 PM (o/DjS)

708 "What's really changed is that the Praetorian guard has finally showed themselves. They've been there for a long time.

Comey, Lynch, and Holder need to be in prison among others. No joke."

This is what frightens me. Nobody even bats an eye anymore. Not a single FBI agent resigned. they all signed non-disclosure agreements, etc.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:06 PM (UBBWX)

709 Is this volleyball game live or prerecorded?

Never mind,it just ended.

What the hell? The last set they play to 15?

That's just silly.


Posted by: Ian Galt at August 10, 2016 09:07 PM (8iiMU)

710 The end of the 2nd amendment won't go well. I hope they are ready for what that will do to this country.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 09:07 PM (pUDQf)

711 Also, i found it extremely disturbing that Clinton took speech money from Nigeria.

Look, a little corruption from Russian oligarchs or whatever...maybe I can see wetting the beak.

But to take money from a poor country's government?

How many schools could that have built?

This has me worried - its deep, evil corruption.



Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:08 PM (UBBWX)

712 >>What the hell? The last set they play to 15?

That's just silly.


I think it is always to 15, but you have to win by 2. Otherwise, 21.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 09:10 PM (c1srJ)

713 ...first to 21. i think.

hard to concentrate on the rules when there's all that ass.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2016 09:10 PM (c1srJ)

714 Trump on the other hand, as evidenced by his fervent cult following and his hatred of checks on his power... He can actually do some serious harm.
Posted by: astonerii at August 10, 2016 09:06 PM (o/DjS)

Sell your crap at some other doorstep. No one here is buying it. better than 2/3rds of this blog had other candidates during the primaries. Me? I had four. Now we have Trump, and you have your delusions and your "integrity".

A Trump presidency would mean an oppositional congress and media, not a steamrolling juggernaut of hate.
Those here who fear he'll be too liberal have more on the ball than someone who thinks fascism will rise with Trump.

Do you imagine us all to be dullard enough to fall for that illogic?
Don't answer, it's rhetorical.

Posted by: Mike Tython at August 10, 2016 09:15 PM (kKHcp)

715 Oh dear me, just don't vote, that will show them

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 09:15 PM (9plvG)

716 "This is what frightens me. Nobody even bats an eye anymore. Not a single FBI agent resigned. they all signed non-disclosure agreements, etc."

Like I said, it's been going on for quite awhile and the it's taken this long for even the blogosphere to finally admit the obvious.

The rest of the 'aware' populous has already signed on to Trump. That's what's going on. No cults. Just people who have a clue.

Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 09:15 PM (dJgZA)

717 @lowtech redneck - why didn't Rimney's totals enter your mind - isn't it the way you always count percentages in primaries? Or is it special for Trump?

Posted by: Afroman at August 10, 2016 09:16 PM (YhvyR)

718 The Never Trumps are the most pompous fools I have ever seen in politics. They have fever dreams of Trump the autocrat. All the the while facilitating the real tyranny Hillary will usher in.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 10, 2016 09:17 PM (Y/5qL)

719 Again, I will try to be constructive.

McCain didn't lose to Obama solely on cult of personality and grudging R support. He lost because the democrats ran an astounding technical machine that turned and held critical districts and counties sufficient to turn the electoral vote. Obama did not win in a landslide.

In 2012, Team Romney tried to do the same and failed miserably with Operation ORCA. As ace mentioned earlier, Romney had 94% support from Rs and did better than McCain in all the demographics. His system and organization failed.

Now it's 2016. Setting aside all other issues, the democrats have a machine that has continued to be built on over the past 2 winning national elections.

Trump has virtually no organization or ground game whatsoever. There is no plan or structure in place to swing critical counties or districts to win the electoral vote. This is not due to NeverTrump or other silliness. It is 100% due to Trump. How many days left? At what point does Team Trump start building a campaign?

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:19 PM (71OEY)

720 I have plugged my fucking nose and voted for rinos more than I am proud to say, whatever, so over this, go ahead anti-trumpers, sleep well at night knowing you allowed the nightmare!

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 09:21 PM (9plvG)

721 Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:19 PM (71OEY)

What ever you do, keep pounding on Trump. We're behind you every step of the way.

Posted by: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN at August 10, 2016 09:22 PM (WVsWD)

722 Trump has virtually no organization or ground game whatsoever. There is no plan or structure in place to swing critical counties or districts to win the electoral vote. This is not due to NeverTrump or other silliness. It is 100% due to Trump. How many days left? At what point does Team Trump start building a campaign?
Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:19 PM (71OEY)

All good points.
But in the end, if you plan on voting he or she doesn't need to GOTV.

You've got to decide whether or not you'd rather have Hellary, or not.
Binary.
Simple.

Posted by: Mike Tython at August 10, 2016 09:23 PM (kKHcp)

723 Trump has virtually no organization or ground game whatsoever. There is no plan or structure in place to swing critical counties or districts to win the electoral vote. This is not due to NeverTrump or other silliness. It is 100% due to Trump. How many days left? At what point does Team Trump start building a campaign?
Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:19 PM (71OEY)


I think plays into the idea of the Trump is surprised he's even winning. I don't think he ever intend to spend that much money on this. Now he's winning and he doesn't have any infrastructure in place. Don't think you can build out the infrastructure now at this point the campaign. Like it or not, Trumps campaign will be Twitter/pep rally/ a few ad buys if the MSM will even take his money.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 09:25 PM (pUDQf)

724 Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:19 PM (71OEY)

Leave Trump alone.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 10, 2016 09:26 PM (fn3+8)

725 Meant to say having won the primary.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 09:27 PM (pUDQf)

726 If anything Trump is exactly the type of guy the Founders hoped would appear in times like these. Granted I am sure they wished he was more polished and not so crude all the time. Here is why:

The founders (or at least some of them) realized that all men can be corrupted and greedy, and have massive egos. They hoped that the system would correct itself by allowing these negative forces to cancel each other out.

So in theory - Washington becomes a cesspool of cronyism and power hungry elites. They protect each other, are politicians, government workers, and lobbyists for life, etc. Then enters a developer turned reality TV star with a huge ego and who talks dirty. He thinks he should be running things because he has a huge ego. He says he will do all sorts of stuff, some of it sounds wild!

However despite the "crudeness", he is not from that world of politicians, lobbyists, and government employees. So they resist him hard, which causes Trump to double down on them harder....cycle repeats.

But that is how a real two party political system is supposed to work. It is not supposed to be a incestuous single family. Trump, for all his supposed faults, is a the safety valve...and if he is elected president he will wreck Washington's peace...and that is a good thing.

And build a wall...if out of spite alone he will build it. Even if he signs a EO, and Ryan sues him...he will find a way to get the needed Pesos. The Dems (and Paul Ryan) will then realize we cannot have Presidents just dong whatever hell they want. Thus we get a wall (which BTW will provide lots of jobs), and limits to Presidential power when it is all done.

I still think Trump won't stop the pending breakup of the country, but it will put our side in a better position if it does happen.







Posted by: William Eaton at August 10, 2016 09:27 PM (KhJh8)

727 "Trump has virtually no organization or ground game whatsoever. There is no plan or structure in place to swing critical counties or districts to win the electoral vote. This is not due to NeverTrump or other silliness. It is 100% due to Trump. How many days left? At what point does Team Trump start building a campaign?"

All true, but not arguments against voting for Trump.

The problem to me is the insistence that any Trump defeat will be blamed on Never Trump, and not for any reasons as you state.

The advanced scapegoating annoys me.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:29 PM (UBBWX)

728 "No, I agree. But he specifically implored us to stop attacking Trump. Which is fine.

I'm actually surprised he thinks comments sections count for much in real life. "

---------------------------------

It does. Don't kid yourself. I've watched it play out. I have a marketing background too.



Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 09:30 PM (dJgZA)

729 Unless there is a way to slow immigration long enough to have Hispanics
assimilate into the white voting block, we are going to permanently
lose. Italians, Germans, and Irish all block-voted until people stopped
immigrating from there and assimilation ensued.


But the *evidence*, that Hispanics aren't assimilating as quickly as other immigrant groups in the past, is very thin.

In this paper, by the second generation, Hispanic immigrants achieve almost the same level of educational attainment as native-born peers (less than 1 years' worth of education difference).

http://inequality.stanford.edu/_media/pdf/ Reference%20Media/Smith_2003_Immigration.pdf

I would like to see your references about pace of assimilation among Hispanics.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 09:30 PM (5115x)

730 "Like it or not, Trumps campaign will be Twitter/pep rally/ a few ad buys if the MSM will even take his money."

I also worry that too many will be swayed by the rallies.

Trump needs money, and staff. If you just think big rallies will be enough, it will not.

If you support Trump, as many here seem to do, donate, call, etc.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:30 PM (UBBWX)

731 @lowtech redneck - why didn't Rimney's totals enter your mind - isn't it the way you always count percentages in primaries? Or is it special for Trump?
Posted by: Afroman at August 10, 2016 09:16 PM (YhvyR)

It never entered my mind because we were discussing Trump's support, not Romney's. Perhaps that other guy you were talking to was discussing Romney? Your comment about Trump's support simply caught my eye as I was scanning through the post (this comment section moves fast, I can't always keep up).

It is my understanding, possibly erroneous, that Romney, like every other Republican candidate in modern history, won a clear majority of votes before the other candidates all dropped out. That's just something I've heard, so if I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 09:31 PM (KF8B+)

732 The Monster Vote. The Republic will be saved by the Monster Vote.

The pressholes and 'rats have spoken of the "silent" vote for Trump being white guys. It is much broader. It is Monster. It is more than white guys. Look at the insta-poll this morning on Bravo! which was showing Wives of Brooklyn or somesuch--a show with a demographic of women and gays. The host and guests were visibly shocked when it came in 65% Orange Guy, 35% Orange Pantsuited Corrupt Harpy. It gave me some reassurance all is not nearly lost.

Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 10, 2016 09:31 PM (g1MTt)

733 "It does. Don't kid yourself. I've watched it play out. I have a marketing background too."

Really? I just use them as a place to blow off steam and argue for kicks.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:32 PM (UBBWX)

734 I'd love for him to start controlling the narrative. Stop letting the media paint a picture of him. Palin never recovered from what they did to her. That worries me.

Hillary has so much baggage to work with. I just don't get why Trump isn't finding a way to make Hillary's corruption page one.

Manafort may actually be phoning it in.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2016 09:34 PM (pUDQf)

735 "Hillary has so much baggage to work with. I just don't get why Trump isn't finding a way to make Hillary's corruption page one."

I have a feeling he likes when he's winning. Like when the media feted him. Now, its more of a chore to attack Hillary and his numbers aren't fun to review. Negative feedback loop. Dems planting of Khan family was brilliant. Hillary specifically said he'd be baited, and Trump proved them right.

"Manafort may actually be phoning it in."

Probably. Little staff. Little money. Last career hurrah.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:37 PM (UBBWX)

736 The advanced scapegoating annoys me.
Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:29 PM (UBBWX)

-------------------------------------------------------

You can blame Bill Kristol, Eric Erickson, Glenn Beck & Co. for that. They admit they want Trump stopped, and when it happens they will happily take credit for it. They will say "WE DID IT! YAAAA".

Like it or not...they are the front men of NeverTrump.

Posted by: William Eaton at August 10, 2016 09:38 PM (KhJh8)

737 I would like to see your references about pace of assimilation among Hispanics.

Where do you live, dude? Come drive around Houston for a week and then ask me that question. There are entire parts of town with multi-generational families who speak only Spanish and live like they're in Mexico.

Also, newsflash: "data" is created by uber-liberal academics who tell people what that want to hear in exchange for grant money.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 09:38 PM (bS6uW)

738 Trump problem, Thing One, media, Thing Two republicans.
Might be a Dr Seuss book in there somewhere

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 09:38 PM (9plvG)

739 The advanced scapegoating annoys me.
Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:29 PM (UBBWX)

****

The advance absolving yourself from the result of your actions (or non actions) is equally if not more annoying.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 09:38 PM (u5E9A)

740 "The advance absolving yourself from the result of your actions (or non actions) is equally if not more annoying."

I am not voting for Hillary.

I said I would vote fro Trump if I lived in a swing state.

I live in California.

You let me know what "action" I have taken to devastate Trump's chances here.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:40 PM (UBBWX)

741 "I'm actually surprised he thinks comments sections count for much in real life. "

There is a reason Hillary and Ovomit spent millions of dollars on internet trolling.

Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 09:41 PM (dJgZA)

742 Hillary and her minions in the MSM are just guaranteeing her defeat. Trump will win a 4 way race. The smartest thing Hillary could do is try and keep Gary Johnson and Jill Stein out of the debates.

Posted by: Czar Peter at August 10, 2016 09:41 PM (9i6G8)

743 I said I would vote fro Trump if I lived in a swing state.

I live in California.

You let me know what "action" I have taken to devastate Trump's chances here.
Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:40 PM (UBBWX)

****

I also mentioned non action. Are you really obtuse enough to think that trashing Trump does not help Hillary?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 09:42 PM (u5E9A)

744 742 Hillary and her minions in the MSM are just guaranteeing her defeat. Trump will win a 4 way race. The smartest thing Hillary could do is try and keep Gary Johnson and Jill Stein out of the debates.
Posted by: Czar Peter at August 10, 2016 09:41 PM (9i6G

--------------------------------------------------------------

And the smartest thing Trump can do is get them in the debates. That puts Hillary in the role of Bush...

Posted by: William Eaton at August 10, 2016 09:43 PM (KhJh8)

745
Also, newsflash: "data" is created by uber-liberal academics who tell people what that want to hear in exchange for grant money.


This has got to be a parody.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 09:44 PM (5115x)

746 744 742 Hillary and her minions in the MSM are just guaranteeing her defeat. Trump will win a 4 way race. The smartest thing Hillary could do is try and keep Gary Johnson and Jill Stein out of the debates.
Posted by: Czar Peter at August 10, 2016 09:41 PM (9i6G

--------------------------------------------------------------

And the smartest thing Trump can do is get them in the debates. That puts Hillary in the role of Bush...

Posted by: William Eaton at August 10, 2016 09:43 PM (KhJh

++++

That's one strategy. But, the more that voters see of Hillary, the less popular she is. In a 2 person debate, there will be more attention paid to Hillary and less chance for her to hide.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 09:45 PM (R+30W)

747 This has got to be a parody.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 09:44 PM (5115x)

****

Well, certainly an Uber something academic would think this is true.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 09:47 PM (u5E9A)

748 "Really? I just use them as a place to blow off steam and argue for kicks."

Oh wow. I just assumed (make an ass out of u and me) that people are at least aware enough to understand the game.

Lesson learned. Again.

It works (to a degree). Nobody is spending millions for nothing.

Lots of rutterless people ripe for the influencing.

Ask yourself, is this something that helps my country, my kids, my grandkids? The oligarchy is at a level that boggles my mind. And the fact that some still float on top of it all is staggering.

One way or another it will add up. Just will.

People need to be grown ups and get it together.



Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 09:48 PM (dJgZA)

749 743 ManWithNoParty, Thank you Thank You Thank You

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 09:49 PM (9plvG)

750 Thank you, Ace! Well articulated, and to the point.


I'm so glad to see one, such as yourself, be so cogent, and strategic, in your thinking.


IOW, if that bitch is elected, we're up shit creek without a paddle! The USA as we know it is toast!



Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 09:49 PM (HUXet)

751 @745 - I was thinking the same thing when I read your post about Hispanics assimilating by the second generation. You either live on the Moon or somewhere else where there are no actual Hispanics.

And yes, academic data is badly compromised in the social sciences.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 09:49 PM (bS6uW)

752 The problem to me is the insistence that any Trump defeat will be blamed on Never Trump, and not for any reasons as you state.



The advanced scapegoating annoys me.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 10, 2016 09:29 PM (UBBWX)

as ace explained above, there is nevertrump like you (little impact), and there is #NeverTRump like NRO, most of WSJ editorial and opinion page who are doing the real damage and working with the enemy (the media and clinton's campaign) to bury the republican candidate - mainly so they can run another malleable and "approved "candidate in 4 years, and yes the sainted ted cruz fits that category, sorry cruzers

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2016 09:50 PM (c6/9Q)

753 Makes Watergate look like an overdue parking ticket. I know the entire "if it were a Republican" bit has been played out to death, but seriously - there world be firings, impeachments, jail time, the works.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 09:50 PM (kumBu)

754 "But the *evidence*, that Hispanics aren't assimilating as quickly as other immigrant groups in the past, is very thin."

Voting patterns (of first and second generation citizens, and the children of the same) are the only evidence I care about on that matter, and the evidence there isn't thin. I don't think its because mestizos are magically more leftist than, say, Swedish immigrants are, but the combination of large numbers of linguistic cohorts and left-wing control over the institutions of mass cultural dissemination* mean that high immigration levels will lead to greater numbers of left-wing voters for the foreseeable future.

*They are not taught to honor the principles our country is founded upon or to celebrate the melting pot, but rather to embrace identity politics along the lines of La Raza and Howard Zinn.

I have to get to sleep so I can't continue this conversation, but if you wish to reply I'll read it tomorrow morning. I don't like it, but I think high levels of immigration will be bad for the country for at least a generation at this point. Its probably best to promote limiting it on the basis of working class income stagnation, but my real concern is the demonstrated voting habits of the immigrants. Preserving the Constitution is worth the loss in GDP and population growth.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 10, 2016 09:52 PM (KF8B+)

755 There are no Conservative or Republican College teachers.
They are all either Marxist Totalitarians or Libertarians who always have to be right about everything. Group Think in College is only second to that of the inner circle of the Uniparty.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 09:52 PM (4qOdP)

756 755 There are no Conservative or Republican College teachers.
They are all either Marxist Totalitarians or Libertarians who always have to be right about everything. Group Think in College is only second to that of the inner circle of the Uniparty.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 09:52 PM (4qOdP)

Correction: there are very few and they shut up publically to keep their jobs.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 09:53 PM (4qOdP)

757 Why am I #Never trump?

Trump is Hillary's donor, enabler, dealer, & pimp.


Donors & enablers should always know better.

It is for good reason that drug dealers & pimps always get more jail time than junkies and prostitutes.

Posted by: Trumpet Suckers Revenge at August 10, 2016 09:54 PM (QSZu4)

758 You can drive through miles of neighborhoods in Las Vegas and not see one American flag, only Mexican flags, there's your data

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 09:55 PM (9plvG)

759 "I also mentioned non action. Are you really obtuse enough to think that trashing Trump does not help Hillary?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 09:42 PM (u5E9A) "

I can't speak for Sexypig, but I know that when I was #NeverTrump (and I never really was...I just wanted Cruz to win the primary; #NeverTrump seems to be people that want the Democrat to win because Trump's very existence is unconscionable to them) I was never narcissistic enough to think that my brain drippings on here would influence a single voter. And I say that as someone who's pretty fucking narcissistic.

I live in a swing state. My vote still doesn't *really* count because no election is going to be decided by one vote. But I know that, in the aggregate, the votes of people like me, people that weren't all-in with Trump from the beginning, are going to decide Ohio. And Ohio might decide the election, as it has done before.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 09:55 PM (kumBu)

760 745
Also, newsflash: "data" is created by uber-liberal academics who tell people what that want to hear in exchange for grant money.

This has got to be a parody.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 09:44 PM (5115x)

++++

Thought you hung out at Instapundit as well as here? I guess you missed all the links he has been putting up about how there is a big problem with scientific studies that can't be replicated.

http://tinyurl.com/nt9jum5
WaPo

http://tinyurl.com/qh8ey2d
Nature

http://tinyurl.com/zzlbevc
First Things

Hell, just Google, there are literally millions of results for scientific study can't be replicated.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2016 09:56 PM (R+30W)

761 "You can drive through miles of neighborhoods in Las Vegas and not see one American flag, only Mexican flags, there's your data

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 09:55 PM (9plvG) "

That's the vast (well, sorta vast) wasteland between the strip and Old Vegas. There's really no reason to even pass through unless you have a car and you want to bypass the freeway.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 09:57 PM (kumBu)

762 I've consistently stated that Hillary is worse than Satan.

I've made one comment in this thread, responding directly to someone who asked "What makes Trump unacceptable" that attacked Trump on his positions.

Otherwise, I have simply pointed out the things that Trump could be doing to win, yet is doing precisely the opposite.

I am not NeverTrump. I am "anyone but Hillary". I don't like Trump but he's not Hillary, so fuck it.

That doesn't change the fact that Trump is actively doing everything possible to lose.

I have not once said that I am not voting for Trump. Never the less, I am attacked repeatedly as being "NeverTrump", called names, and had numerous other juvenile attacks made against me.

I am sorry that you've invested so much in your candidate that you cannot bear to recognize the real issues that are causing him to lose. Rather than consider his failings, his lack of any viable campaign or organization, or any of the other numerous problems, you choose to resort to hash tag arguments and juvenile attacks on anyone who points out reality.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:57 PM (71OEY)

763 "Yes, Trump is an obnoxious, ignorant, possibly crooked asshole."

He is the first one most assuredly. Maybe the second, yes on certain issues. That last one is most of the DC establishment of which he is no part.

Months ago I said I would give him my vote but nothing else. Here to eat my words. I now understand (big Cruz backer myself) why the nevertrumpers are disparaged here.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at August 10, 2016 09:59 PM (iRHb1)

764 Correction: there are very few and they shut up publically to keep their jobs.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 09:53 PM (4qOdP)

Yes. The party of inclusiveness and tolerance has gone from having a minority position with equal rights, to shutting down all dissent at the threat of punishment.
By all means lets have more of that if it will keep the short fingered vulgarian from the Oval office.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 09:59 PM (kKHcp)

765 vote Hillary, I am voting Trump. And I'm on vacation and am pissed off at myself for even getting on here tonite.
God Bless ya'll, have a great rest of the week

Posted by: lousagirl at August 10, 2016 10:01 PM (9plvG)

766 I am sorry that you've invested so much in your candidate that you cannot bear to recognize the real issues that are causing him to lose. Rather than consider his failings, his lack of any viable campaign or organization, or any of the other numerous problems, you choose to resort to hash tag arguments and juvenile attacks on anyone who points out reality.
Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 09:57 PM (71OEY)

Who the fuck are you responding to? If that is a blanket statement directed towards all of us, it is no wonder you're feeling put upon. It is an asshole-type remark. Made only to make yourself feel better.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:02 PM (kKHcp)

767 I live in a swing state. My vote still doesn't *really* count because no election is going to be decided by one vote. But I know that, in the aggregate, the votes of people like me, people that weren't all-in with Trump from the beginning, are going to decide Ohio. And Ohio might decide the election, as it has done before.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 09:55 PM (kumBu)

*****

If you live in Ohio, your vote certainly does count.

Regarding Trump trashing, as mentioned above, there is a reason the Obama campaign spent millions on blog trolls.

We make the mistake of thinking most watch this stuff as closely as we do. They don't. They don't call them LIVs for nothing. They are swarmed out to maybe change the mind of 1-2% of voters. These days, that is significant.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:03 PM (u5E9A)

768 "I also mentioned non action. Are you really obtuse enough to think that trashing Trump does not help Hillary?"

Oh. I haven't had time to read all the comments.

Another troll, then.

People, it's paramount to get it together.

If anyone thinks it's going to get better, they need to have their heads examined.

We are at peak - Oligarchy - the downhill slide is a bitch and it's not an amusement ride.

As much as you may dislike a person - Trump - he's not even in the ballpark with the scummy forces aligned against this country.

The 'aware' population isn't at risk - so much. The rest of you are.








Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:03 PM (dJgZA)

769 One of the best things you ever written Ace. Spot. On.

Posted by: Jewells45 at August 10, 2016 10:04 PM (CNHr1)

770 "Also, newsflash: "data" is created by uber-liberal academics who tell people what that want to hear in exchange for grant money.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 09:38 PM (bS6uW) "

Being caught completely fabricating data, even in uber-liberal fields, is a good way to never get another grant in your career. You can always offer enough confounds/alternative explanations that you still toe the liberal line. And most grants are just basically free money - they're not even contingent on you publishing the paper. If a paper really destroyed your ideology, you can just bury it in a filing cabinet somewhere - only a few people will know it even exists.

Academia also has a strict hierarchy - if you want to disprove the thesis of a 'name' person in the field, and you're a nobody, your paper better be a fucking howitzer.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:05 PM (kumBu)

771 Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 10, 2016 07:01 PM (WVsWD)

Oops just read your comment. Excuse me for stepping on your toes in 763.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at August 10, 2016 10:07 PM (iRHb1)

772 I'm sick of having my motives questioned because I'm not voting for Trump. He's NOT a good person and I think he's unfit to be President. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: rexbatt at August 10, 2016 10:08 PM (woA40)

773 My FB post tonight: "Being a strict constitutionalist, I will frame this comment by the 1st, 2nd, and 20th amendments to the U.S. Constitution. As 2016 progresses, my advice is to freely and publicly state that one should spend as much money as one can on bullets and bourbon in preparation for 2017."

Posted by: Radar at August 10, 2016 10:09 PM (Hbk9Y)

774 "772
I'm sick of having my motives questioned because I'm not voting for
Trump. He's NOT a good person and I think he's unfit to be President.
It's as simple as that.

Posted by: rexbatt at August 10, 2016 10:08 PM (woA40)"

Realistically, you have two choices. Choose wisely, my friend.

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:10 PM (HUXet)

775 "I live in a swing state. My vote still doesn't *really* count because no election is going to be decided by one vote."

It counts. Please vote. Please vote for Trump.

It matters.

You must be young. Don't fall for the garbage out there.

There are only two choices. That's it.

Don't throw away your vote and please don't let Hillary win.



Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:10 PM (dJgZA)

776 One of the best things you ever written Ace. Spot. On.


Agreed! Serious times call for serious commentary.

Posted by: Pete Seria at August 10, 2016 10:11 PM (/pOl7)

777 m sick of having my motives questioned because I'm not voting for Trump. He's NOT a good person and I think he's unfit to be President. It's as simple as that.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 10, 2016 10:08 PM (woA40)

Nobody is going to question your motives, unless you show up saying how you are conservative/republican/not leftist, but just can't stomach this man. Oh, and you have to mention that of course you don't like Hellary but don't feel you should have to mention it, but go on and on ad infinitum (sic) on the horrible Mr. Trump.

You've done none of that. Democrats are more welcome here than trolls.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:12 PM (kKHcp)

778 Oh my dear Lord. Do we really have people arguing that "data" should not be trusted because *some* studies in psychology could not be reproduced?

You claim: "There are entire parts of town with multi-generational families who speak only Spanish and live like they're in Mexico."

First, let us assume that your statement is factually correct, which is dubious on its face - how do you *know* that *all* of the families in these parts of town speak "only" Spanish and "live like they're in Mexico"? Did you interview them all? But let's just accept it for now. How do you know that this experience is representative of the Hispanic experience *as a whole*, and not just peculiar to, say, your area of Texas? Maybe, if we want to understand the larger issue about Hispanic assimilation, we would investigate what Hispanics are doing all over the country, in various circumstances... we might call it a "study", and the results might be called "data"...

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:12 PM (5p18q)

779 There are only two choices. That's it.

This is a demonstrably false statement.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:13 PM (5p18q)

780 "Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:10 PM (dJgZA)"


ANYONE who lives in a swing state, and votes the wrong way, or doesn't vote, deserves to be flogged, covered in honey and hog tied to an anthill, and/or any other extremely uncomfortable to fatal results of their actions. Just sayin'...

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:14 PM (HUXet)

781 "My vote still doesn't *really* count because no election is going to be decided by one vote."

God, as someone who has worked elections, that could not be farther from the truth.

I've seen elections decided by ten people. Ten. All sat home thinking it didn't matter.

It matters.

Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:15 PM (dJgZA)

782 I rest my case.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:15 PM (kKHcp)

783 "This is a demonstrably false statement.


Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:13 PM (5p18q)"
Realistically speaking, it's a very true statement.

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:16 PM (HUXet)

784 Maybe, if we want to understand the larger issue about Hispanic assimilation, we would investigate what Hispanics are doing all over the country, in various circumstances... we might call it a "study", and the results might be called "data"...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:12 PM (5p18q)

*****

Their post is what is known as anecdotal data. They are kiving this shit real time. Shove your certified, liberal funded study suggestion right up your liberal ass, Perfesser.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:18 PM (u5E9A)

785
@780

Exactly.

I'm just scanning over the thread and it proves my point.

All the paid cynics are here influencing the gullible.


You can see it live in action.

"Awe, what does it matter?"

It matters.

Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:19 PM (dJgZA)

786 Realistically speaking, it's a very true statement.


Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:16 PM (HUXet)

Are there more than two names on the ballot? Yes or no?
If your answer is "yes", which I hope it is, why shouldn't an individual vote for whomever they believe would be the best choice for the position?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:20 PM (5p18q)

787 Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:18 PM (u5E9A)

In other words, ignore the studies that contradict your personal narrative...

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:21 PM (5p18q)

788 Here is the awful truth. The only person who consistently, since the start of all this, lost to Hillary Clinton (and Bernie Sanders, not that that matters), in every GE poll of likely voters got the R nomination.

Who is responsible? Two parties. First, are the 16 or whatever other candidates. They all showed up trying to run the same milquetoast, aim for the middle, I don't want to offend anyone campaign that has lost repeatedly. Except Trump. Trump had one messages and it wasn't walls... It was "Fuck those guys and fuck that shit". Credit to Trump. He got that part right. If there is one thing that the majority of R voters agree on, it's that we're fed up with the usual shit.

So, the 16 or whatever other dumbasses pivoted from milquetoast bullshit to 'attack Trump'. That was stupid. Trump was right. Instead of fixing their own stupidity, they attacked the single thing Trump was right about.

The result? Trump had a core MINORITY who are fed up with milquetoast bullshit and the MAJORITY split their votes 16, 15, 10, 5... and finally 3, then 2 different ways. At the same time, however, Trump never gained support. His opponents defeated themselves. Cruz got it right for a bit (and surged) while he supported Trump on the "fuck those guys" tack but he did did a shit job of doing it himself. So he plateaued and went down. As he went down, he started sounding more and more milquetoast bullshit and lost support.

So Trump won by everyone else losing. Still a win- however- he still never gained support over his core and still was never winning against Hillary. This is as true now as it was months ago. Whatever Trump actually does only results the majority opposition to him opposing him more strongly.

Hillary Clinton is worse than Satan. Everyone agrees who is not a brainless SJW. Her favorables are negative 10- worse than congress and anyone who's ever run for office or won a nomination or election ever in the history of the world...

...with one exception. Donald Trump. His favorabilty is and always has been around -20.

Stop blaming hashtags. Trumps supporters need to look at something other than his Twitter account. Why is Trump losing? He has ALWAYS been losing.

For 2 or 3 days, he polled above Clinton around the convention... then proceeded to go after Republicans and otherwise shit all over himself again.

Donald Trump is losing because of Donald Trump. Want someone to blame? Start there. Want someone else? Blame the people who no nominated the ONLY person who has always been losing to Hillary.

You want to hurl accusations about votes be "effectively" for Hillary? Start with the votes cast for the only guy who has consistently been losing to her and stop making up bullshit speculation about how other people support that rancid bitch.

You know who actually did support Hillary in her elections? Donald Trump.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 10:22 PM (71OEY)

789 If your answer is "yes", which I hope it is, why shouldn't an individual vote for whomever they believe would be the best choice for the position?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:20 PM (5p18q)

*****

Yes. How is Gary Johnson better suited to the position than Trump or Scankles. Make your case or STFU.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:22 PM (u5E9A)

790 Isn't that what the left does when it comes to, say, GMO's? Many of them believes GMO's are harmful, despite the scientific evidence saying otherwise, because it contradicts their personal narrative of Evil AgriCorps destroying Mother Gaia with Evil Technology.

You probably didn't even bother to read the paper I linked, did you?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:22 PM (5p18q)

791 In other words, ignore the studies that contradict your personal narrative...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:21 PM (5p18q)

****

Of course. Seeing it with your own eyes and living it real time is far subservient to a liberal study that is funded to produce a result.

Good God, you Academics suck.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:25 PM (u5E9A)

792 And to be honest, Gary Johnson is pretty bad when judged by libertarian standards. I was somewhat interested in him, until he nominated William Weld as VP, which just turned my stomach to be honest. He is a guy who really does refuse to say bad things about Hillary and thinks Trump is Hitler, which is stupid. I can't say I'll be voting for them either.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:27 PM (5p18q)

793 "Are there more than two names on the ballot? Yes or no?
If
your answer is "yes", which I hope it is, why shouldn't an individual
vote for whomever they believe would be the best choice for the
position?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:20 PM (5p18q)"

I said, "Realistically speaking". There are more than two candidates on the ballot, but none but the R and D have a chance of being elected. The other two are spoilers. You are free to cast your ballot in vain, if you so choose.

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:27 PM (HUXet)

794 Of course. Seeing it with your own eyes and living it real time is far subservient to a liberal study that is funded to produce a result.

Good God, you Academics suck.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:25 PM (u5E9A)

Don't be so provincial, you xenophobic rube. Let the smart set put you some F'n knowledge. Trust them. Would they lie?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:28 PM (kKHcp)

795 "Seeing it with your own eyes" does NOT mean that your experience is representative of the entire population. Can't you get that through your thick head?

Is every academic study to you just an example of some liberal conspiracy? Do you take medicines? You know, the efficacy of medicines were validated by liberal academics doing those "studies", with "data", probably just trying to get grant money or something...

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:29 PM (5p18q)

796 And if I wanted to see science trashed like this, I would go to a liberal blog where they trash fracking and GMO's because they see the stupid fracking movie or read stories on the Internet...

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:32 PM (5p18q)

797
Don't be so provincial, you xenophobic rube. Let the smart set put you some F'n knowledge. Trust them. Would they lie?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:28 PM (kKHcp)

Are you an expert in chemistry? Biology? Medicine? Physics? Economics? Sociology? Engineering? Mathematics?

Oh, you aren't?
So, hmm, if you want to figure out something involving one of these areas, what are you going to do? Maybe you might consult some experts, who have published studies based on validated methods...

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:34 PM (5p18q)

798 Seeing it with your own eyes" does NOT mean that your experience is representative of the entire population. Can't you get that through your thick head?

Is every academic study to you just an example of some liberal conspiracy? Do you take medicines? You know, the efficacy of medicines were validated by liberal academics doing those "studies", with "data", probably just trying to get grant money or something...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:29 PM (5p18q)

*****

So, if people chime in from all 50 states with what they have seen, this is to be ignored? Even if it is only 25 states, this what is known as a trend, Perfesser.

But, unless a funded study is done, these results are meaningless. I will repeat, Academics suck. They would disbelieve what they saw happen right in front of them if a study came out that said they didn't really see that.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:35 PM (u5E9A)

799 It is not about the "rubes" bowing down to the "elites". It is about the limited capacity of any human being to have a deep and full understanding of every particular subject. There is no such thing as a Renaissance Man anymore.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:36 PM (5p18q)

800 "Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:10 PM (dJgZA) "

Like I said, it matters in the aggregate. It's a game theory exercise - if every single person in the country truly believered their vote didn't matter, then one vite wins it all. I'm voting for Trump. But let's not pretend that the vote of the person that uses the name 'broseidon' on AoS is going to swing Ohio.

A mass of people *like me* - people who backed other candidates in the primary but will vote Trump to keep Drunk Grandma out office - will swing Ohio.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:37 PM (kumBu)

801 Oh, you aren't?
So, hmm, if you want to figure out something involving one of these areas, what are you going to do? Maybe you might consult some experts, who have published studies based on validated methods...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:34 PM (5p18q)

*****

Nothing is real unless some experts who are available for purchase do a study and agree it is real. Unfuckingbelievable.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:37 PM (u5E9A)

802 And if I wanted to see science trashed like this, I would go to a liberal blog where they trash fracking and GMO's because they see the stupid fracking movie or read stories on the Internet...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:32 PM (5p18q)

One of the worst things about the melding of academia with government (using government money makes them government bitches, you know) is the declining faith in the word Science!

Not the scientific method, rigorously applied mind you.
But lets face it, studies that cannot be replicated should not have the same weight as those that can.

Medicine and related studies can be replicated, thus the improvement in treatments over time.

Don't try to conflate disbelief in social science with some sort of flat-earth lunacy. Your strawman building abilities are slipping.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:38 PM (kKHcp)

803 So, if people chime in from all 50 states with what they have seen, this is to be ignored?


If people from all 50 states were surveyed, based on validated consistent methods, that would be called a "study", and no, it should not be ignored, even if it yields results different from our personal narratives. That last bit is the really hard part of science.


But drawing a sweeping conclusion just based on observing a single neighborhood in Houston? Umm, no.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:39 PM (5p18q)

804 "Nothing is real unless some experts who are available for purchase do a study and agree it is real. Unfuckingbelievable.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:37 PM (u5E9A)"
I've always been a fan of common sense.

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:39 PM (HUXet)

805 And if I wanted to see science trashed like this, I would go to a liberal blog where they trash fracking and GMO's because they see the stupid fracking movie or read stories on the Internet...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:32 PM (5p18q)

****

Bye. Hurry, now.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:39 PM (u5E9A)

806 But drawing a sweeping conclusion just based on observing a single neighborhood in Houston? Umm, no.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:39 PM (5p18q)

****

Awesome selective editing of my post. Quote the whole thing and we can talk.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:41 PM (u5E9A)

807 Fuq, show me a state in a Presidential election decided by one vote. My vote matters when combined with the votes of others like me that don't really like Trump but will do whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of office.

Our coalition (if you can even call it that) matters. And if one person deciding to stay home cascades into a domino effect and now tens or hundreds of people are sitting out - that matters.

My one, single vote will not swing the election. No state has even been won or lost by one vote. I'm voting because I want to think that we can win this thing, that symbolically, me refusing to stay home/vote 3rd party means that other Ohioans like me will do the same.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:43 PM (kumBu)

808 @ chemjeff and kakypat

I kinda agree and disagree with you both.

A person can choose how to vote for several reasons. They definitively have more than 2 choices. Yes, the R or D is going to win... because our entire system is corrupt, broken and contrary to its originally intended purpose.

Me personally? I refuse to support a party. The person either goes along (at least generally) with what I want from my elected representative or they do not. If they do, they get my support. If they do not, they do not get my support. The end.

So, we get back to choices.
A) You can vote FOR someone
B) You can vote AGAINST someone
C) You can not vote
D) You can vote for the person who is likely to win, regardless of how they do or do not represent your beliefs, because you want to be part of the winning team
E) You can say "fuck the lot of them" and refuse to support any of them (which is, ironically, the idea that Trump ran on and won the primary on... but is now suddenly wrong because it now applies to him)

So, some Tuesday in November, everyone who is a citizen over 18 years of age and not a felon (unindicted felons not included) has a choice of what to do with their time. The options are virtually infinite. It will depend on what they are motivated to do.

How many people, given infinite options of what to do with their time, will choose to go out and stand in line to vote when they don't like any of the available options? The answer is simple: the people with the strongest feelings, primarily FOR and lees so AGAINST a candidate (if they have both feelings, they're definately going out to vote). Everyone else will say, "Screw it. I'm fucked either way. I'm going drinking".

So... you have your two rigged options (since the parties decided that no one else is fit and the subjects let them get away with it). One has a -10 approval, the other has -20. Guess who's going to win?

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 10:45 PM (71OEY)

809 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:43 PM (kumBu)

A vote is your opinion with a legal number attached to it.
It is the only time your opinion actually "counts".

This, what we do...shows we care, but it's just talkin shit on teh intertubes.

Can it make a difference? Sure, but it doesn't count like a vote.

So I gotta do what I gotta do, and I'll hold my nose and do it like so many times before.
So do you.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:48 PM (kKHcp)

810 Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:38 PM (kKHcp)

Oh, now the goalposts are shifting. First it was those grubby liberal academics just hunting grant money that made their work unreliable. Now you shift the goalposts that it's only about studies that can't be replicated. Guess what, I can agree with you on that one. Studies that can't be replicated don't deserve as much weight as those that can. Even if they are conducted by liberal academics just looking for some sweet gubmint grant money. Or conservative academics just looking for some sweet gubmint grant money, for that matter.


If you are going to express disbelief in a particular study, then why not do so by finding flaws in the study's methodology? Believe me, they are definitely out there. I posted the link to the entire paper so that you could examine it for yourself. Maybe that study is flawed. That is certainly possible. Humans are fallible, even scientists, they are not saints and their word should not be above reproach. Maybe their conclusion is incorrect. It certainly could be. But you are just going to ignore it because it contradicts your narrative. That is unscientific and frankly wrong. That carries no weight.


And by the way, as a scientist, I *WANT* government out of the grant-making business. Ultimately it IS corrupting and bad for the scientific enterprise.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:48 PM (5p18q)

811 " In other words, ignore the studies that contradict your personal narrative...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:21 PM (5p18q)"


Some people refuse to publish studies that contradict their secular religion of choice, chemjeff. As an academic, you should know that. Those papers stashed away in drawers because they were 'inconvenient truths,' to borrow a term of art from a professional tantric massage receiver.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:48 PM (kumBu)

812 "Like I said, it matters in the aggregate. It's a game theory exercise - if every single person in the country truly believered their vote didn't matter, then one vite wins it all. I'm voting for Trump. But let's not pretend that the vote of the person that uses the name 'broseidon' on AoS is going to swing Ohio"

Ok. I've had a long day and I'm not interested in the 'theory' discussion.

Just do your future self (and the rest of us who know a different time in American history) a favor and vote for Trump.

It matters. It matters greatly.





Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (dJgZA)

813 799 It is not about the "rubes" bowing down to the "elites". It is about the limited capacity of any human being to have a deep and full understanding of every particular subject. There is no such thing as a Renaissance Man anymore.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:36 PM (5p18q)

Oh how true.

Heck, forget Renaissance Man. I'd be happy to see people with the ability express a though without the assistance of Twitter, Facebook quotes or emojis.

The beauty of being a Renaissance Man was the awareness of how much you didn't know and how inconsequential your personal existence is in the grand scheme of things. Now people think that they are of historic importance based on 140 characters that they copied and pasted from somewhere else.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (71OEY)

814 Ace, your argument seems based on the idea that fights over D.C. power politics are won in the same way as games of king of the hill are: Make sure your team puts the most time on the clock spent in the oval office, and you win. In 2016's case, the existing and possible Supreme Court vacancies do make that strategy more worthwhile, but also consider that 1) There's s pretty consistent pattern through American history (with 3 exceptions, the last being the Roosevelt and Truman administrations) that political party's tend to hold onto the presidency for only 1-3 consecutive terms. If Trump somehow manages to win 2 terms, let's say, while failing or refusing to advance a conservative agenda for the duration, that could easily mean 16-20 years of no conservative agenda pushed by the executive branch, added to the last 8 years of the Obama administration's agenda. It seems pretty costly to risk a having a Republic administration exist as a mere intermission between activist Democrat administrations. And 2) How do you take back those Democrat-owned federal bureaucracies with a party leader who hemorrhages college educated voters and under 30 voters? I assume we actually want to wrest those from Democrat control at some point in the next 30 years.

I wouldn't begrudge anyone voting on the Supreme Court alone, but I certainly don't think I'm nuts for thinking it will turn out a horribly dumb gamble to force the party's candidate with the lowest general public favorability ratings on the country and expect good results for their party's fortunes come 2017-2020. And that goes for both parties, as Hillary is second only to Trump on this metric. Cruz
may now be down there as well post-RNC, though I doubt he stays there
for too long.

Posted by: reform highlander at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (xf3KI)

815
Nothing is real unless some experts who are available for purchase do a study and agree it is real. Unfuckingbelievable.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:37 PM (u5E9A)

That is a strawman. Nobody is claiming that you don't observe what you legitimately observe. The question is, "are your observations representative of the entire population?" Just observing one neighborhood, or just recording the results of one person's experiences, cannot possibly answer that question.

Awesome selective editing of my post. Quote the whole thing and we can talk.
I was referencing Blacksheep's comments, not yours.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (5p18q)

816 "So I gotta do what I gotta do, and I'll hold my nose and do it like so many times before.
So do you.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 10:48 PM (kKHcp) "

Yes, it's only time we actually get to make a direct impact. And like I said, the aggregate votes of people *like me* will decide Ohio. But it won't be my vote that wins in for Trump.

I'm trying to be both optimistic and realistic. That can be a hard mix to pull off. I hope by going out and voting for an imperfect candidate to stop a legitimate criminal from being POTUS will encourage others to do the same.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:52 PM (kumBu)

817 "Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 10:45 PM (71OEY)"


That is a very thoughtful and respectful post. Thank you!



However, as one who has seen many elections in my day, and one who doesn't belong to any party, I can tell you that, this election, I will be voting against the continuance of socialism and the furtherance of fascism in this once great country.


One more thing, a vote for Trump is a vote AGAINST the rigged systems that both parties currently enjoy.

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:53 PM (HUXet)

818 Some people refuse to publish studies that
contradict their secular religion of choice, chemjeff. As an academic,
you should know that. Those papers stashed away in drawers because they
were 'inconvenient truths,' to borrow a term of art from a professional
tantric massage receiver.


Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:48 PM (kumBu)

Oh I know that for sure. But, just like the X-Files, "the truth is out there". If one academic attempts to bury a study, some other academic observes the same thing and "scoops" the first one. So it is less common than people think.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:54 PM (5p18q)

819
How many people, given infinite options of what to do with their
time, will choose to go out and stand in line to vote when they don't
like any of the available options? The answer is simple: the people with
the strongest feelings, primarily FOR and lees so AGAINST a candidate
(if they have both feelings, they're definately going out to vote).
Everyone else will say, "Screw it. I'm fucked either way. I'm going
drinking".



I am almost at the point of casting a vote for Gary Johnson, not because I like him, but to send a big FUCK YOU to both parties. So that is what is motivating me.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:56 PM (5p18q)

820 The beauty of being a Renaissance Man was the
awareness of how much you didn't know and how inconsequential your
personal existence is in the grand scheme of things. Now people think
that they are of historic importance based on 140 characters that they
copied and pasted from somewhere else.

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (71OEY)

Yes. Humility is sorely lacking, all over the place. It is a huge irritation for me.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:58 PM (5p18q)

821 I was referencing Blacksheep's comments, not yours.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (5p18q)

****

You quoted mine in your response.

Anyhoo, you are suggesting that real world experience is to be ignored in favor of aggregate data. Not a surprising position, Perfesser, as you know that data from North and South Dakota will water down results from Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 10:58 PM (u5E9A)

822 "Oh I know that for sure. But, just like the X-Files, "the truth is out there". If one academic attempts to bury a study, some other academic observes the same thing and "scoops" the first one. So it is less common than people think.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:54 PM (5p18q) "

There's always someone who wants to get their name out there, but like I said above, if you're trying to disprove the theory/hypothesis of a big name, your work better be bulletproof. As hard as it is to actually get fired a tenured prof, if you piss off the wrong people in your field, the grand poobahs can make you persona non grata for everything that matters. You can still keep your job, teach your classes, hold the Xavier Y Hohenhoffer Memorial Chair or w/e ridiculous honorary position you have, but good luck ever getting published again in one of the journals that 'matters,' even as just a co-author.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 10:59 PM (kumBu)

823 Yes. Humility is sorely lacking, all over the place. It is a huge irritation for me.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:58 PM (5p18q)

****

You have absolutely zero self awareness if you are comfortable making this statement.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:01 PM (u5E9A)

824
Anyhoo, you are suggesting that real world experience is to be ignored in favor of aggregate data.



No. I am suggesting that anecdotal evidence is not as reliable as aggregated, validated data, *for making general predictions over a large population*.


Blacksheep and others want me to disbelieve that filthy "data" put out by those filthy "liberal academics" and trust his/her observations of one neighborhood in Houston, when it came to the question of, "are Hispanics assimilating as a faster or slower rate compared to the past?" Sorry, I cannot do that.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:03 PM (5p18q)

825 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 10:48 PM (5p18q)

"Oh, now the goalposts are shifting. First it was those grubby liberal academics just hunting grant money that made their work unreliable. Now you shift the goalposts that it's only about studies that can't be replicated"

Hey Jeffy, you're getting a little too worked up. That wasn't me who said that, and I'm not moving any goalposts.
Replication is the key to true science.

Are you really claiming that there's no "fudging" of data done ever in Science! to achieve a particular result?
There are whole books written about debunked junk science, and the Penn State/East Anglia debacle shows how corrupt the process can be....deciding who can peer-review something based on the knowledge of their predispositions.

Scuse me for being sceptical, but it is earned by observation.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:03 PM (kKHcp)

826
You have absolutely zero self awareness if you are comfortable making this statement.


Oh I will be the first to admit that I too am lacking in humility as well.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:03 PM (5p18q)

827 @ Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 10:53 PM (HUXet)

Thanks for the complement and I regret that you'll likely hate my next response.

Questions:
1. Which of Trumps policies reduce socialism or facism, as you put it, or as I would rephrase: the size and scope of government and its consequences on individuals and/ or businesses. I have read Trumps proposals and all them them, to me, appear to vastly increase these things, albeit some in different ways.

2. I agree, as you mentioned earlier, that the R or D will win. We appear to agree that this is a consequence of a rigged system. Since Trump is the R nominee, how is a vote for him, particularly if that vote is not actually FOR him but against the D alternative, a vote against the rigged system? Also, if Trump was not the R nominee and, instead, was the Libertarian or Green or Independence or any other party nominee, would he still have your vote- agreeing, as we do, that he would be guaranteed to lose- or would your vote be cast for the other "Not Hillary" R?

Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 11:04 PM (71OEY)

828 For those blasting academics: Yeah, most of the people in academia suck. But the 'long march through the institutions' WORKED. That's why colleges churn out little mini-Marxs at an astonishing rate. Maybe being a teacher isn't as 'conservative' a job as working on a tractor in the scorching heat, but if we're going to take this country back, we need more conservative/libertarian teachers.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:05 PM (kumBu)

829 For those blasting academics: Yeah, most of the people in academia suck. But the 'long march through the institutions' WORKED. That's why colleges churn out little mini-Marxs at an astonishing rate. Maybe being a teacher isn't as 'conservative' a job as working on a tractor in the scorching heat, but if we're going to take this country back, we need more conservative/libertarian teachers.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:05 PM (kumBu)

*****

I do not mean this unkindly, but thank you for that stunning display of the glaringly obvious.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:09 PM (u5E9A)

830 "Replication is the key to true science.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:03 PM (kKHcp) "


You'd be amazed (or actually, probably not, given the tenor of your posts) how many 'landmark theories' were never replicated but are still treated as dogma.

That goes back to what I said before about trying to disprove a theory that was postulated by one of the big names. You need rock-solid data. It's like Omar says on The Wire - you come at the king, you best not miss.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:10 PM (kumBu)

831
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:03 PM (kKHcp)

Well excuuuse me for getting a little bit worked up over the subject that I have decided to dedicate my life's work to.
Is there some "fudging" in science? Yes. Is that a rational justification for discarding all of the science that you don't want to believe? No.
Just be fucking honest. You don't want to believe studies which purport to show that Hispanic assimilation is on par with previous immigrant groups over time, because that would be inconvenient towards your personal narrative. Instead of trying to trash science in favor of your narrative, why not adjust your narrative to be in alignment with what the *truth* actually is? And I don't even claim to know what the truth really is. What I have read *so far* is that yes, Hispanic assimilation is about on par with that of previous immigrant groups, and that the reason why they tend to vote for Democrats isn't because they aren't assimilated, but because they *are* assimilated and nevertheless prefer Democrats *anyway*, most likely due to their identity politics pandering. But you know what? I might be wrong. Show me the study that points out where I"m wrong and then we can chat.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:11 PM (5p18q)

832 but if we're going to take this country back, we need more conservative/libertarian teachers.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:05 PM (kumBu)

A Long March back to reality.
The worry most people I've talked to is that there isn't enough time. The time to collapse/change that can't be undone and the time to even achieve parity in academia and the media etc. don't meet.
Bah. Inelegant as usual.
Shorter: Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:12 PM (kKHcp)

833 "Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:09 PM (u5E9A) "

So if our side realizes we need conservative teachers to the point where it's "glaringly obvious," why do people in the conservosphere still mock teachers and teaching, as if we were saying we need more conservative ditch diggers or buggy whip manufacturers?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:13 PM (kumBu)

834 I do not mean this unkindly, but thank you for that stunning display of the glaringly obvious.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:09 PM (u5E9A)

Well guess what, genius, we will not get more conservatives into academia when we have people like you trashing all of academia and disbelieving science. Too many people on the right regard going into academia as "consorting with the enemy". That type of thinking has to stop.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:14 PM (5p18q)

835 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:11 PM (5p18q)

OMG! Listen. I never wrote an opinion on hispanic assimilation tonight.
One way or the other.

Go back and read. My comment was about Science! and how it is not infallible, which you have admitted.

Quit shrieking and re-read.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:15 PM (kKHcp)

836 "Shorter: Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:12 PM (kKHcp) "

There might not be enough time. But we certainly need to try. We'll never win if academia continues to be 95% (which might even be a low estimate) liberal.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:15 PM (kumBu)

837
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:15 PM (kKHcp)

Well you are right, I am sorry about that. So consider that paragraph directed at those for whom the shoe does fit.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:17 PM (5p18q)

838 Well guess what, genius, we will not get more conservatives into academia when we have people like you trashing all of academia and disbelieving science. Too many people on the right regard going into academia as "consorting with the enemy". That type of thinking has to stop.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:14 PM (5p18q)

***

I was not responding to you, but as you know that, fine. What has to stop is people in Academia trashing Conservatism. You actually believe you are a Conservative.

What we need are real Conservatives in Academia, not faux Conservatives such as yourself.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:19 PM (u5E9A)

839 Too many people on the right regard going into academia as "consorting with the enemy". That type of thinking has to stop.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:14 PM (5p18q)

****

Based on your posts, it is. Sport.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:22 PM (u5E9A)

840 What we need are real Conservatives in Academia, not faux Conservatives such as yourself.


Oh right, we need "real Conservatives", not the "fakers" like me.


You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.


I am the one who, when I was a student, got the university's disciplinary code changed because I was unfairly punished for FREE SPEECH that I made on campus.


I am the one who, as a new faculty member in his first faculty job, was the ONLY ONE who had the guts to stand up to the tyrannical faculty union who was openly flouting the labor laws. And it cost me dearly to do so.


I am the one who, again as a new *untenured* faculty member, was willing to stand up for my beliefs against the dominant liberal orthodoxy on campus.


You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, asshole.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:24 PM (5p18q)

841 "Posted by: Damiano at August 10, 2016 11:04 PM (71OEY)"


I don't hate your thoughts. In fact, they are very respectful and, if you'll forgive me, the thoughts of one who is rather young, and hasn't seen tough times in this country before now.


To me, the number one issue is the economics of this country. They need a thorough overhaul, and I believe his plan does this. I watched how Reagan's economic plan worked in real time, and I believe Trump's is in line with that. His plan is FOR American workers, and does not reward Big Business with cheap foreign labor.


I've, also, watched in real time the Rs and Ds come together as the uniparty, unlike in many years past when they were adversaries. I believe this started with the Young Guns in the mid-80s, the Ryan/McCarthy/Cantor group who got in bed with K Street, and pledged their allegiance to them, and Wall Street/Big Banks, turning their backs on the middle class.


No matter the party, no matter how many are on the ballot, Trump is the only one in this race who will bust up the cabal that runs DC now, which is why he has so much opposition among the rank and file establishment...D, Media, and many Rs.


I expect the Ds and Media to behave as they have. However, the Rs have been corrupted to the point where they need a real kick in the ass outta there!


Key word...........corruption. That's why I'm voting for Trump, even though I was for Cruz before.


Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 11:25 PM (HUXet)

842 "What we need are real Conservatives in Academia, not faux Conservatives such as yourself.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:19 PM (u5E9A) "

You'd rather have a lockstep liberal in academia than chemjeff? Because odds are that's who replaces him.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:25 PM (kumBu)

843 @834 - Jeff, seriously, go fuck yourself. I hold a BS/MS (Optics) in Physics, and a JD in law and am a registered patent attorney. I litigate patents for a living. I would make your fake-ass cry in a deposition.

As for the broader point about science being corrupted by grants and expert fees, I've forgotten more about breaking that shit down than you'll ever know. Professors lie. Badly. For money. Like prostitutes. And they are easy to expose. Like you.

You got called out on weak, inconsistent reasoning and should now take your medicine and shut the fuck up. I'm embarrassed for you at this point.

Dickheads like you make me hate the internet.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 11:25 PM (bS6uW)

844 " Damiano"

I'm so sorry! I misspoke!

The Young Guns came about in the mid-2000s!

Lordy! I AM old! lol

Posted by: kakypat at August 10, 2016 11:29 PM (HUXet)

845
Posted by: Blacksheep at August 10, 2016 11:25 PM (bS6uW)

Oh, now it makes more sense. You are referring to "expert witnesses" at trials? Yes, of course, human beings are human beings, even scientists, they will prostitute themselves for money. This is like a big duh. Your experience with expert witnesses in no way invalidates peer reviewed, validated scientific studies.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:30 PM (5p18q)

846 "It matters. It matters greatly.

Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 10:51 PM (dJgZA) "

I'll keep waiting for you to find a state that was decided by one vote. I stick by my statement that my vote counts in the aggregate.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:31 PM (kumBu)

847 You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, asshole.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:24 PM (5p18q)

****

Yeah, shithead, I do. I have to work with people like you that come from your background. Clueless fucks, every one of them. I train little pissants like you to finally be productive in the real world.

It is a constant struggle.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:31 PM (u5E9A)

848 Trump!

Nothing wrong with the man, loves his country, 1000x better than the Hag.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 10, 2016 11:33 PM (BS8yt)

849 All you have demonstrated, MWNP, is that when a conservative professor actually does conservative things on campus, that you will nonetheless shit on them because they are still professors and still "the enemy". Well fuck you. You don't want more conservative professors, you just want to tear down all of academia.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:33 PM (5p18q)

850 All you have demonstrated, MWNP, is that when a conservative professor actually does conservative things on campus, that you will nonetheless shit on them because they are still professors and still "the enemy". Well fuck you. You don't want more conservative professors, you just want to tear down all of academia.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:33 PM (5p18q)

*****

You are going to have to clean up your own copious straw droppings this time.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:35 PM (u5E9A)

851 So many masks ARE slipping, for sure. For years I used to defend conservatives against the charge that they were "anti-science" or "anti-education". And now things like this election cycle have demonstrated that yes, there is a not-insignificant number of people on the right who are intrinsically suspicious of science, and hate academia. Boy do I feel like a fool for trying to stand up for you all.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:36 PM (5p18q)

852 You are going to have to clean up your own copious straw droppings this time.

Oh no. Not straw. I am dead on right. You don't give a shit about conservatives doing conservative things on campus. You don't value academia AT ALL. We are all just lazy useless fucks, whether we are liberal or conservative alike, amirite?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:37 PM (5p18q)

853 "Yeah, shithead, I do. I have to work with people like you that come from your background. Clueless fucks, every one of them. I train little pissants like you to finally be productive in the real world.

It is a constant struggle.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:31 PM (u5E9A) "

So which is it?

Do we need more conservatives in academia, or are academics clueless fucks?



Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:39 PM (kumBu)

854 Oh no. Not straw. I am dead on right. You don't give a shit about conservatives doing conservative things on campus. You don't value academia AT ALL. We are all just lazy useless fucks, whether we are liberal or conservative alike, amirite?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:37 PM (5p18q)

****

You are commenting on a premise I never put forth. Hence, straw man argument. But, keep enjoying that chicken.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:40 PM (u5E9A)

855 "And now things like this election cycle have demonstrated that yes, there is a not-insignificant number of people on the right who are intrinsically suspicious of science, and hate academia. Boy do I feel like a fool for trying to stand up for you all.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:36 PM (5p18q) "

Don't act like it doesn't cut both ways. A lot of academics consdier people without at least a Master's to be an unperson.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:42 PM (kumBu)

856 Do we need more conservatives in academia, or are academics clueless fucks?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:39 PM (kumBu)

****

At this point, option 2. No idea what the future will hold.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:42 PM (u5E9A)

857 You are commenting on a premise I never put forth. Hence, straw man argument. But, keep enjoying that chicken.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:40 PM (u5E9A)

Fuck you. You made your intentions clear. You have no respect and no regard for academia, liberal OR conservative. It's all useless mental masturbation as far as you're concerned.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:43 PM (5p18q)

858 Chemjeff, you got some serious issues going on right now. I urge you to chill out, learn that you are not the center of the universe, and seek temporary counseling. Please work on putting yourself in others shoes and realizing even those you disagree with while debating/arguing a point, you should out of respect for the foundation of Scientific knowledge consider all the data and facts to draw conclusions.

As somebody who used to come across just like you from 200-2004 living in the most Marxist city in America, please take my advice.

It is not attactrive to start arguments and debates with a closed rigid mind.

God Bless and Be Well.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 11:45 PM (4qOdP)

859 Yeah, shithead, I do. I have to work with people like you that come from your background. Clueless fucks, every one of them. I train little pissants like you to finally be productive in the real world.

It is a constant struggle.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:31 PM (u5E9A)

Heh. I heard something just about like that thirty some years ago.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 10, 2016 11:47 PM (kKHcp)

860 Wait, so because I don't tolerate people who trash science in favor of their personal narrative, I have a "closed rigid mind"?

Well I suppose that yes, yes I do. Science, which is the search for truth, should trump people's personal narratives, when it comes to discovering what is *true* and what is *false*.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:49 PM (5p18q)

861 Fuck you. You made your intentions clear. You have no respect and no regard for academia, liberal OR conservative. It's all useless mental masturbation as far as you're concerned.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:43 PM (5p18q)

****

Go fuck yourself. You made it clear you would ignore anecdotal (read real world experience) in favor of one of your funded studies, Perfesser. You are fucking hopeless.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:50 PM (u5E9A)

862 Better than 2/3rds of this blog had other candidates during the primaries. Me? I had four.
And most of the pro-Trump side wanted Cruz as Trump's VP; plenty even after their bitter divorce including going into the convention.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2016 11:51 PM (LdMbv)

863 860 Wait, so because I don't tolerate people who trash science in favor of their personal narrative, I have a "closed rigid mind"?

Well I suppose that yes, yes I do. Science, which is the search for truth, should trump people's personal narratives, when it comes to discovering what is *true* and what is *false*.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2016 11:49 PM (5p18q)

People who search for the truth fail and are wrong 99% of the time while on that journey.

Science is trial and error. Not trial and success (via confirmation bias or other errors)

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 10, 2016 11:54 PM (4qOdP)

864 "At this point, option 2. No idea what the future will hold.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 10, 2016 11:42 PM (u5E9A) "

So why is it "glaringly obvious" that we need more conservatives in academia? We need more 'clueless fucks,' I guess?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 10, 2016 11:55 PM (kumBu)

865 "I'll keep waiting for you to find a state that was decided by one vote. I stick by my statement that my vote counts in the aggregate."

Wow. I tell you I'm tired and this is the smug little reply I get?

You are quite the asshole. Must be a millennial for sure.

Another name to keep watch of as a troll.

Dear little snowflake,

Fuq off.



Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 11:56 PM (dJgZA)

866 "Another name to keep watch of as a troll.

Dear little snowflake,

Fuq off.

Posted by: Fuq the media at August 10, 2016 11:56 PM (dJgZA) "

"I'm tired" is a cop-out. You're acting like I'm a Superhero that is going to save Ohio, and by extension the USA, with my one vote. Why don't you just admit that one vote doesn't matter? Voters/votes matter in the aggregate. And yet another commenter who labels everybody that disagrees with them a troll. If either of us is petulant, it's you.

I already told you I'm voting for Trump. What do you want, me to act like I'm saving the country with my one vote? That's ridiculous narcissism. Again, if anybody is acting like a 'special snowflake,' it's you. The idea that my one vote counts is a juice-box, everybody gets a medal philosophy. Coalitions matter. Moods matter. A dispirited electorate matters. Trends matter. Ideas matter. One vote? Might matter in the race for dog catcher.


By the way, this is a smart military blog largely populated by adults. You can say fuck.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 11, 2016 12:14 AM (kumBu)

867 Crony Criminals: Department of Justice Blocked Any FBI Inquiry Into Clinton Foundation

This is why I just don't get NeverTrump.


Ace, just write "establishment delenda est" at the end of each post.

You made a very good point that no matter how bad Trump turns out to be, the media and the bureaucracy will stand as a check against him, which they'd never do against Hillary.

If you really want to defeat Hillary, focus less on berating those who openly despise Trump and focus. It's easier to tell someone to not eat a poisoned donut than tell them to eat a s**t sandwich.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 11, 2016 12:35 AM (vBeA5)

868 You mean the Department to Prevent Justice?

Forget about it, Ace; it's Obamerica.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 11, 2016 01:26 AM (Ndje9)

869 What is the evidence that Trump will be better than Hillary?

They're both corrupt liars who would sell their family members or the country out for a buck.

Only difference I can find is Trump is too damn stupid and unstable to look good next to the worst candidate the Dems have put up in 50 years.

Posted by: DangerDad at August 11, 2016 04:17 AM (d9/C1)

870 All sound and right Ace, but on what grounds do you assert that Trump does not have good intentions? He lacks any filter on his mouth, which on the whole is one of his big positives in our era of politically correct demagoguery, and he doesn't actually understand much about economics or anything else, but his policy naivate is all on the side of pro-American populism, which is fine and good, in a world full of America hating socialism and Islamofascism, including on the left side of our domestic politics.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at August 11, 2016 03:33 PM (5SpNa)

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