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"Independent Conservative" To Announce Bid to... Throw Election to Hillary?
Gotta love this about the Establishment -- their timing is impeccable, like everything else they do. Just brilliant stuff, moving from victory to victory.
So now many of the ballots are now locked and thus a new candidate can't win a bunch of states, even in theory. Perfect time to finally man up. The name is... underwhelming.UPDATE: Word is it’s Evan Mcmullen, Chief Policy Director for the House Republican Conference.He's also former CIA and Goldman Sachs. And the UN. Well. I guess the Establishment really found their guy. 27 ballot deadlines have already passed -- by Friday, it will be 35. More about this Electoral Juggernaut here. Rick Wilson will be involved in his campaign because of course he will. McMullen doesn't seem like a very good candidate -- but he is a Mormon. Leading AllahPundit to speculate: Is this just all about the Establishment trying to deliberately throw the election to Hillary, by draining enough Utah votes off from Trump to let Hillary take that crucial (and usually reliable) state? His Electoral College analysis is that even assuming Trump wins the big states he needs to win (FL, OH, PA), he will lose the election to Hillary if Hillary takes Utah. Is that what this is about? Some of our party simply defecting to the Democrat Party while still pretending to be Republicans? Meanwhile, activists are calling upon the GOP to hold an emergency meeting to dump Trump as a candidate. And of course the Establishment absolutely refuses any self-examination whatsoever. They absolutely refuse to ask the key, if painful, question: How were we so easily beaten by a man with such serious and manifold flaws and inadequacies?
From what I’ve seen there has been zero reflection on the part of Republican leaders on how much the base’s views differ from theirs and what to do about it. The GOP is not at all refiguring its stands. The only signs of life I see are among young staffers on Capitol Hill, who understand their bosses’ stands have been rebuked and are quietly debating among themselves what policy paths will win the future. Beyond that, anti-Trump Republicans treat his voters like immoral enablers of a malignant boob. Should Mr. Trump lose decisively in November they’ll lord it over everyone, say “I told you so,” and accept what they imagine will be forelock-tugging apologies. Then they will get to work burying not only Mr. Trump but his issues.The party, I'm thinking, is roughly half college-educated and white collar, and half non-college educated and blue collar. The latter cohort is having a rougher time in this Winner Take All, Average Is Over new world than the former. But the party seems pretty convinced that what the latter cohort really cares about is subsidies for Boeing's overseas sales, low taxes for the rich, open borders and driving down blue collar wages ever further. Oh: And they're super-duper ga-ga about running the same idealist/fantasist, we-had-to-rebuild-the-village-to-destroy-it nation-building super-hawk neocon foreign policy that the rest of America loves so much too. Whatever happens, you will not be able to get this crew to back off a single one of their very unpopular positions. They're very fond of pointing out that their intraparty rivals' policies are unpopular too -- but they never can bring themselves to admit their own policies are very unpopular.
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His wives will love the idea of him running.
Posted by: Dick at August 08, 2016 12:01 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Framkin at August 08, 2016 12:04 PM (ya3u6)
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Friend of the Blog Rick Wilson
Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at August 08, 2016 12:05 PM (evdj2)
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PUMA!
Posted by: huerfano at August 08, 2016 12:05 PM (jkkMG)
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Notice the lack of mainstream talk about the Green Party candidate?
Posted by: Dang at August 08, 2016 12:06 PM (k0G44)
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ahhh. Monday. fvckit.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at August 08, 2016 12:06 PM (IQI2h)
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>>He's also former CIA and Goldman Sachs. And the UN.
Wow, so much going for him....as just another DC insider!
Wow, so much going for him....as just another DC insider!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:06 PM (NOIQH)
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Rick Wilson will be involved in his campaign because of course he will.
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Aren't you friends or at least acquaintances?
Sorry to say this if he is, why does one get involved in this if it weren't the money?
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Aren't you friends or at least acquaintances?
Sorry to say this if he is, why does one get involved in this if it weren't the money?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 08, 2016 12:07 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:07 PM (NOIQH)
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The party of stupid strikes again!
Posted by: IC at August 08, 2016 12:08 PM (a0IVu)
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Go Go Magic PJ's!
Posted by: garrett at August 08, 2016 12:08 PM (c1srJ)
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Shouldn't Prick be following those hobbits trying to get the Ring back?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2016 12:08 PM (OkKDg)
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It just seems rather, I dunno, backstabby for alleged members of an organization to openly harm that organization.
The more I see of the "true cons" the less I like them.
The more I see of the "true cons" the less I like them.
Posted by: Boots at August 08, 2016 12:09 PM (EBwPV)
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10 The party of stupid strikes again!
Posted by: IC at August 08, 2016 12:08 PM (a0IVu)
At least local volunteer fire departments save the basement. More than we can say for these brilliant politicians.
Go basement savers, Go!!!!
Posted by: IC at August 08, 2016 12:08 PM (a0IVu)
At least local volunteer fire departments save the basement. More than we can say for these brilliant politicians.
Go basement savers, Go!!!!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 08, 2016 12:09 PM (voOPb)
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I think trump will get plenty of Utah votes in Nov, however unenthusiastic they might be, but this will be red meat to some. Utahns in general seem really livid about it being Trump, they have not been settling down like they normally do, though there is a decent enough contingent excited for Trump. But the average GOP voter here is not excited for him.
If this McMullen guy (who I've never heard of before and I'm a Mormon, we usually know about everyone in positions of power from the tribe) runs, he will split the #nevertrump vote here between himself Gary Johnson.
Any attempt by GOP to circumvent the nominee that allows the Hildabeest to rule supreme over us all in Jan is evil and must be killed with fire.
If this McMullen guy (who I've never heard of before and I'm a Mormon, we usually know about everyone in positions of power from the tribe) runs, he will split the #nevertrump vote here between himself Gary Johnson.
Any attempt by GOP to circumvent the nominee that allows the Hildabeest to rule supreme over us all in Jan is evil and must be killed with fire.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:10 PM (hvf9s)
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I'm writing in Haven Monahan.
Posted by: garrett at August 08, 2016 12:10 PM (c1srJ)
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I imagine this candidate polled well at the Bohemian Grove conclave.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 08, 2016 12:10 PM (evdj2)
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What is the point of GOP consultants like Wilson, Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace, etc.?
They seem focused on something other than having their candidates win...
They seem focused on something other than having their candidates win...
Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
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I'm not saying he's CFR, but he's CFR.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 08, 2016 12:10 PM (evdj2)
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Fuck these people, and fuck Rick Wilson. Seriously. Why would anyone here ever throw one moment of support to these assholes when they show nothing but contempt for their electorate? I'm done with them forever.
I honestly think it's time to bring back Let It Burn. It's going to burn anyway, so the least we can hope for is the destruction of the GOP.
I honestly think it's time to bring back Let It Burn. It's going to burn anyway, so the least we can hope for is the destruction of the GOP.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 08, 2016 12:11 PM (bc7LP)
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I read Rick Wilson's screed this weekend in one of the NY papers, and he railed on how good it would be to crush the Trumpers who refused to acknowledge the wisdom gleaned from the 2012 Republican moratorium. That would be the same doc that came out in favor of blanket amnesty, because of course it did. At no point in his article did ever, and I mean not once, allow for the possibility that maybe some of the establishment's ideas were not acceptable or even very good.
Nope, it was all in on crushing the knuckle draggers once and for all and taking the party forward. Into irrelevancy to be certain.
The complete lack of self awareness and refusal to even allow for introspection are two reasons among many why I want to see the GOP burn to the ground and all of their brilliance discarded. Rick Wilson and Liz Mair are two of the architects of this persistent failure, yet there they are leading the charge against the one guy who beat so many of the polished establishment politicos. No, I'm not a Trump fan, but I do actually have my eyes open and can see what's happened. When your policies were rejected for the last two elections in favor of dyed in the wool communist, and the best thing you can do is put up guaranteed electoral losers like McCain and Romney (then yell at all of us to get in line), well I'm not too anxious to pull you out of that ditch you find yourself in.
I want to see these people crushed and banished from DC forever. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Nope, it was all in on crushing the knuckle draggers once and for all and taking the party forward. Into irrelevancy to be certain.
The complete lack of self awareness and refusal to even allow for introspection are two reasons among many why I want to see the GOP burn to the ground and all of their brilliance discarded. Rick Wilson and Liz Mair are two of the architects of this persistent failure, yet there they are leading the charge against the one guy who beat so many of the polished establishment politicos. No, I'm not a Trump fan, but I do actually have my eyes open and can see what's happened. When your policies were rejected for the last two elections in favor of dyed in the wool communist, and the best thing you can do is put up guaranteed electoral losers like McCain and Romney (then yell at all of us to get in line), well I'm not too anxious to pull you out of that ditch you find yourself in.
I want to see these people crushed and banished from DC forever. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at August 08, 2016 12:12 PM (I6SOt)
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You can't say that the GOPe is stepping on their d*ck, cause they got no balls.
But the level of fail here is astounding. Why don't we hold the coronation of Shrillary right now and get it over with.
Quick, someone get the hag her broom, and two escorts to hold her up as she ascends her throne.
But the level of fail here is astounding. Why don't we hold the coronation of Shrillary right now and get it over with.
Quick, someone get the hag her broom, and two escorts to hold her up as she ascends her throne.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 08, 2016 12:13 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: L, Elle at August 08, 2016 12:13 PM (6IPEM)
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Every tweet in PrickWilson's timeline is AntiTrump.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2016 12:13 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)
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Again, an amazing display of pure fucking genius by our betters in the GOPe.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (0mRoj)
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The good news is that the masks are all off now.
The bad news is that we now know that way more people than we hoped had previously been wearing masks.
The bad news is that we now know that way more people than we hoped had previously been wearing masks.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (KUaJL)
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Pat Paulson!
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (GckyN)
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I'm white collar and I'm the farthest thing from the establishment. Tea Party all the way/Gadsen flag flying to annoy all the progs on my street in a leafy, pretentious NJ suburb. Cruz was my pick but am solidly behind Trump because the alternative is BHO's 3rd, possibly 4th term.
Oh, and Rick Wilson is a fat, bald, self-absorbed slob.
Oh, and Rick Wilson is a fat, bald, self-absorbed slob.
Posted by: Sid Vicious at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (xYNyF)
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Remember The King Phillip's War? Those were the days.
Posted by: John Sassamon at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (Queum)
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Well f**k this... I mean do these ass wipes really believe that in 2020 they will win the WH with a more "suitable" Candidate?The damage in 4 years will be disastrous not to mention Hill may win a second term... I've friggin had it...
Posted by: donna at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (O2RFr)
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The more the merrier, now it's a party
Posted by: nckate at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (QvwhC)
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Rarry!
Posted by: Gabby Johnson at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (0mRoj)
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Utahns in general seem really livid about it being Trump, they have not been settling down like they normally do, though there is a decent enough contingent excited for Trump. But the average GOP voter here is not excited for him.
Ask them how they feel about a pres hillary.
Ask them how they feel about a pres hillary.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (kPMrr)
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Evan Almighty 2016!
Posted by: Roy at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (VndSC)
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Jesus......this is why we can't have nice things......
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:16 PM (0O7c5)
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Take heart, today may be worse than yesterday, but it's better than tomorrow.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 08, 2016 12:16 PM (evdj2)
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Well f**k this... I mean do these ass wipes really believe that in 2020 they will win the WH with a more "suitable" Candidate?The damage in 4 years will be disastrous not to mention Hill may win a second term
She dies three and a hlaf years in, Kaine gets the sympathy vote. Pulls a Carter.
She dies three and a hlaf years in, Kaine gets the sympathy vote. Pulls a Carter.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:17 PM (kPMrr)
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is rick wilson still a friend of the blog?
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:17 PM (0O7c5)
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36 Jesus......this is why we can't have nice things......
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:16 PM (0O7c5)
Sorry. I really wanted you to have nice things, but dad's kind of an asshole.
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:16 PM (0O7c5)
Sorry. I really wanted you to have nice things, but dad's kind of an asshole.
Posted by: Jesus at August 08, 2016 12:17 PM (0mRoj)
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Um, who? Even if he is from Utah, will actual Utahans go for something so transparently cynical?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:17 PM (RD7QR)
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In before person's Evan Mcmullen 2016 rants.
Principles!
Principles!
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 08, 2016 12:17 PM (UPYhp)
Posted by: Framkin at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (ya3u6)
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The good news is that the masks are all off now.
The bad news is that we now know that way more people than we hoped had previously been wearing masks.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (KUaJL)
THIS. True, and Terrifying.
The bad news is that we now know that way more people than we hoped had previously been wearing masks.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (KUaJL)
THIS. True, and Terrifying.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (hvf9s)
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Say what you will of Trump and his deficiencies...I will forever be thankful to him for being the catalyst for what I hope is the complete destruction of the GOP.
If only Bernie didn't wimp out, I'd be saying the same of him regarding the Donkeys.
If only Bernie didn't wimp out, I'd be saying the same of him regarding the Donkeys.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (1H9ox)
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Nose, meet spited face.
Posted by: That guy who always says... at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (Tyii7)
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I think Utah deserves a huge influx of Muslim refugees. Dump them all in Salt Lake City, make it a Islamic city.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (KhJh8)
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I just can't even think on this right now. Pardon me as I have a Pvt. Hudson moment.
Posted by: GeoSTI at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (0e/Wy)
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Are people in Utah this stupid and gullible?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:19 PM (Cu/XA)
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Yes, the GOPe chose a Mormon anti-Trumpalternative in order to lose Utah and throw the race to Hillary. It's actually avery smart move from a purely tactical perspective. I only wish they'd use theseskilz against the Democrats--for once.
Notice that Mitt Romney was actually a fairly lethal, cutthroatopponent in 2012 when he was going against Gingrich and Santorum butthen inexplicably transformedinto aquiescent cup ofcurdled buttermilkwhenengaging Obama.
Notice that Mitt Romney was actually a fairly lethal, cutthroatopponent in 2012 when he was going against Gingrich and Santorum butthen inexplicably transformedinto aquiescent cup ofcurdled buttermilkwhenengaging Obama.
Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:19 PM (OGbEB)
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Pat Paulson!
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz
Too much credibility as a candidate, more like Pegasus the Pig from that era.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz
Too much credibility as a candidate, more like Pegasus the Pig from that era.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 08, 2016 12:19 PM (eFRS+)
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Who......?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2016 12:19 PM (i+FHX)
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41 Um, who? Even if he is from Utah, will actual Utahans go for something so transparently cynical?
To ask is to answer.
To ask is to answer.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (kPMrr)
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It's a shame that there are no political parties in the US that actually even pretend to care about the country.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (7ZVPa)
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So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
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I'm NeverTrump, and I think this is a stupid idea.
You guys got your candidate. If we were ever going to settle this in a semi-amicable way, Trump was either going to have to win without us NeverTrumpers, or lose big enough without us that you couldn't make a reasonable argument our votes could have gotten him over the top.
So far most of NeverTrump has been comments on blogs and a few mouthy columnists and political geeks getting in the dying print media and on twitter and saying they won't vote for him. I just don't think that was ever going to move the needle on the larger voting population very much. While it remains to be seen, if this guy camps out in the few western states with large LDS populations, there's a chance he could impact the race, and suddenly the argument that NeverTrump could actually affect the race has some evidence behind it.
You guys got your candidate. If we were ever going to settle this in a semi-amicable way, Trump was either going to have to win without us NeverTrumpers, or lose big enough without us that you couldn't make a reasonable argument our votes could have gotten him over the top.
So far most of NeverTrump has been comments on blogs and a few mouthy columnists and political geeks getting in the dying print media and on twitter and saying they won't vote for him. I just don't think that was ever going to move the needle on the larger voting population very much. While it remains to be seen, if this guy camps out in the few western states with large LDS populations, there's a chance he could impact the race, and suddenly the argument that NeverTrump could actually affect the race has some evidence behind it.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (W2YA6)
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This should illustrate that some people view their own voters as the enemy, not the opposing candidate.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (OkKDg)
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Saw this guys picture. Don't you have to be born on earth to run for president?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (Mxs5H)
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55 So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
*cough*
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
*cough*
Posted by: Zombie Amb. Stevens at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (0mRoj)
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He's a former refugee resettlement officer for the UN - That should tell you all you need to know.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (vg8iE)
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I think Utah deserves a huge influx of Muslim refugees. Dump them all in Salt Lake City, make it a Islamic city.
Since they like illegal aliens so much.....
Since they like illegal aliens so much.....
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (kPMrr)
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can't we have at least one male republican consultant who doesn't look like he touches children in his ice cream truck?
Posted by: nckate at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (QvwhC)
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So serious question: How do we go from where we are here to having an actual conservative party that represents our interests? The GOP clearly does not. And I don't think most of Trump's supporters (myself included) really believe that he's got strong conservative instincts. Now that the establishment is clearly ready to take down Trump in a murder-suicide, can we start thinking about whatever comes after actually cares about the principles of limited government?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:21 PM (KUaJL)
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Reminds me of Henry VIII trying for a male heir. A parade of stillborns and sickly sons.
Reminds me of Henry VIII trying for a male heir. A parade of stillborns and sickly sons.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (pC96u)
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This Utah resident is not voting for the schmuck.
Posted by: Mark in Sandy UT at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (LZ0tZ)
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41 Um, who? Even if he is from Utah, will actual Utahans go for something so transparently cynical?
Sadly, the answer is "almost certainly yes."
Sadly, the answer is "almost certainly yes."
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Some People Call Me Maurice at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (WlGX+)
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Somebody with a fax machine sends out some guys name for president, and the blog-o-sphere runs with it as if it were real.
Somebody with a fax machine sends out some guys name for president, and the blog-o-sphere runs with it as if it were real.
Posted by: Loyd Bro Hausterfester at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (ya3u6)
Posted by: An Observation at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (7zXVZ)
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We have nothing to fear from Hillary in this election.
Her health deteriorates by the hour.
Posted by: Framkin at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (ya3u6)
The press is in full-blown "don't-show-FDR's-wheelchair" mode with her.
We have nothing to fear from Hillary in this election.
Her health deteriorates by the hour.
Posted by: Framkin at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (ya3u6)
The press is in full-blown "don't-show-FDR's-wheelchair" mode with her.
Posted by: Gran at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (XIXhw)
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It is also possible that this guy has absolutely no measurable impact on the overall vote totals. Nobody has ever heard of him, and those who vote for him weren't going to vote Trump anyway.
OTOH, the folks who put him up to running will have no cover. They'll be known commodities, for good or bad.
OTOH, the folks who put him up to running will have no cover. They'll be known commodities, for good or bad.
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (3e8zv)
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Saw this guys picture. Don't you have to be born on earth to run for president?
Posted by: Buzzsaw
So you're saying there's a chance.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
So you're saying there's a chance.
Posted by: Henry Waxman at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (UPYhp)
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I really am beginning to think that this could be the meteor of the next civil war. I don't like Trump as a candidate; in fact, I'd rather set my crotch on fire and put it out with an ice pick than have him as our candidate. But as it happens, a majority of Republican primary voters chose this man, and we have to support him to prevent that FAB from getting the White House.
If the stupid-ass GOPe (BIRM) can't understand this, and at least stay the fuck out of the way, there could be big, BIG trouble ahead. I really think they are stupid enough to support an unbelievably stupid move like this. And enough Americans will be pissed off to say, Look, this is the guy we wanted. Stand here, smile, and wait for the flash.
If the stupid-ass GOPe (BIRM) can't understand this, and at least stay the fuck out of the way, there could be big, BIG trouble ahead. I really think they are stupid enough to support an unbelievably stupid move like this. And enough Americans will be pissed off to say, Look, this is the guy we wanted. Stand here, smile, and wait for the flash.
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (JKZQv)
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isn't mike lee in trouble?
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (0O7c5)
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This Utah resident is not voting for the schmuck.
They're really only looking for a few percent to throw the race to the Ds.
They're really only looking for a few percent to throw the race to the Ds.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (OkKDg)
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Name recognition alone should be worth 25-30%.
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (9RGU3)
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"Conservstism" by and large is a fund raising and book publishing scam not a governing political system.
With Hillary in the White House the scam can continue which is why Trump is seen as an existential threat the consultant class as well as the "Conservstive commentariate industrial complex."
With Hillary in the White House the scam can continue which is why Trump is seen as an existential threat the consultant class as well as the "Conservstive commentariate industrial complex."
Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (CEzm0)
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55 So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
*Cackle*
I'm going to--
*cough cough hack hack spit loogie cough cough hack*
--take that as a challenge, wingnut!
*hic*
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
*Cackle*
I'm going to--
*cough cough hack hack spit loogie cough cough hack*
--take that as a challenge, wingnut!
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary "Prune Juice!" Clinton at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (RD7QR)
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They're globalist would-be aristocrats with a sense of entitlement that can be seen from Low Earth Orbit. What did you expect they'd do?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (9krrF)
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Wall St candidate
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (0o/oP)
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Brilliant. Anger at the establishment was the reason for Trump.
That, and "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
That, and "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (laMCB)
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So serious question: How do we go from where we are here to having an actual conservative party that represents our interests?
We can't. No one will step up to found a real, viable third party.
We can't. No one will step up to found a real, viable third party.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (bc7LP)
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55 So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
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Also showing serious signs of memory problems...
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (9P3OG)
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So serious question: How do we go from where we are here to having an actual conservative party that represents our interests?
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I think we'll have to take a deep breath and settle for a red-white-and-blue patriot for now and try to let that take effect. That's something we used to take for granted regardless of the political philosophy, but now it's a side in an argument.
When it's all over, I suspect there will be a new alignment of, for lack of better terms, authoritarian vs libertarian (small-l).
So serious question: How do we go from where we are here to having an actual conservative party that represents our interests?
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I think we'll have to take a deep breath and settle for a red-white-and-blue patriot for now and try to let that take effect. That's something we used to take for granted regardless of the political philosophy, but now it's a side in an argument.
When it's all over, I suspect there will be a new alignment of, for lack of better terms, authoritarian vs libertarian (small-l).
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (pC96u)
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Her health deteriorates by the hour.Posted by: Framkin at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (ya3u6)
Nothing--not even death--will stop Hillary from chasing her heart's desire.
That witch will have hercorpse stuffed and mounted and hire a ventriloquist, if that's what it takes.
Nothing--not even death--will stop Hillary from chasing her heart's desire.
That witch will have hercorpse stuffed and mounted and hire a ventriloquist, if that's what it takes.
Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (OGbEB)
86
Open for business.
Posted by: The AoSHQ Concern Desk at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (Tyii7)
87
55
So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary
Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
That those who wanted Trump fail to understand why he lost?
So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary
Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
That those who wanted Trump fail to understand why he lost?
Posted by: pep at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (3e8zv)
88
The Glenn Beck, Mormon and Michelle Fields jokes keep getting funnier after being beaten into the ground one-thousand times by a diminishing Horde knowledge-base.
I could not be #NeverTrump since before the RNC Convention, but I watch "conservatives" treat this guy like he's the Second-Coming of Jesus Christ, Himself.
Screw the "Party". I'll have my own. I'll do it better, anyway.
Those of you who are like-minded can stop by for burgers and beers. The rest of you can revel in your "Savior" while you elect someone who is a slightly-less left-wing Obama.
Tea Party*, period.
*Your choice of beverage is included in my meager offer.
-Slappy T. Weasel, esq.
P.S.: I don't hate you, because I am not allowed to. I am only allowed to kill you under certain, undeniable circumstances.
I could not be #NeverTrump since before the RNC Convention, but I watch "conservatives" treat this guy like he's the Second-Coming of Jesus Christ, Himself.
Screw the "Party". I'll have my own. I'll do it better, anyway.
Those of you who are like-minded can stop by for burgers and beers. The rest of you can revel in your "Savior" while you elect someone who is a slightly-less left-wing Obama.
Tea Party*, period.
*Your choice of beverage is included in my meager offer.
-Slappy T. Weasel, esq.
P.S.: I don't hate you, because I am not allowed to. I am only allowed to kill you under certain, undeniable circumstances.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (6gk0M)
Posted by: garrett at August 08, 2016 12:25 PM (c1srJ)
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Egg McMuffin for President?
That's outrageous!
I demand a low-carb high-fat alternative!
Bacon McButter 2016!
That's outrageous!
I demand a low-carb high-fat alternative!
Bacon McButter 2016!
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:25 PM (7lVbc)
91
**slaps both hand hard on the desk, drops head and shakes it side to side**
Posted by: Paladin at August 08, 2016 12:25 PM (LTquJ)
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My owner has a vagina you know or didn't you rubes get the memo?
Posted by: Hillary's Cankles at August 08, 2016 12:25 PM (c7vUv)
93
o serious question: How do we go from where we are here to having an actual conservative party that represents our interests
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Dump the neoconservatives
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Dump the neoconservatives
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (0o/oP)
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The last thing the Republican Party wants is a viable third party. Running this guy could pull Gary Johnson's polling down far enough to keep the Libertarian party out of the debates.
Posted by: Cooley at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (AdOkg)
95
The GOP needs to be demolished. It's a confused monstrosity.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (POnMO)
96
So glad Ace is back writing here and not on twitter.
Posted by: Draki at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (SKk/g)
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>>> Ask them how they feel about a pres hillary.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (kPMrr)
I think most Utah Mormons want to call it quits on both and do what their ancestors did, trudge away to non-US territory and do their own thing. Problem with that is there is nowhere to go...
second look at Utah seceding and actually forming the independent state of Deseret?
Even when the Mormon Pioneers were murdered/raped/pillaged and fled to Mexican territory to get some peace, when the country came a'calling asking them to contribute men to the Mexican American War, they did it. They sacrificed those men even though they were desperately needed on the trail, left their women and children trekking across the plains and formed the Utah Battalion and did their duty to their country. Even after they were exiles they did this.
This is nowhere near as dramatic a scenario as that, but let's hope Mormons again do their duty to their country, no matter how painful it might be, and help vote out the hildabeest in Nov.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:15 PM (kPMrr)
I think most Utah Mormons want to call it quits on both and do what their ancestors did, trudge away to non-US territory and do their own thing. Problem with that is there is nowhere to go...
second look at Utah seceding and actually forming the independent state of Deseret?
Even when the Mormon Pioneers were murdered/raped/pillaged and fled to Mexican territory to get some peace, when the country came a'calling asking them to contribute men to the Mexican American War, they did it. They sacrificed those men even though they were desperately needed on the trail, left their women and children trekking across the plains and formed the Utah Battalion and did their duty to their country. Even after they were exiles they did this.
This is nowhere near as dramatic a scenario as that, but let's hope Mormons again do their duty to their country, no matter how painful it might be, and help vote out the hildabeest in Nov.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (hvf9s)
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We can't. No one will step up to found a real, viable third party.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (bc7LP)
Well-known folks like Clint Eastwood could found a party but you need a leader for folks to rally around.
Conservatism has a bad rep.
Maybe we need the burning times for people to realize, "Hey, Jindal might have been just the guy we needed!"
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 08, 2016 12:23 PM (bc7LP)
Well-known folks like Clint Eastwood could found a party but you need a leader for folks to rally around.
Conservatism has a bad rep.
Maybe we need the burning times for people to realize, "Hey, Jindal might have been just the guy we needed!"
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (laMCB)
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25 Finally, a pure conservative that can't win but can help Hillary win.
Principles!
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)
Goldman Sachs, CIA, UN pure conservative. Huh.
Principles!
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)
Goldman Sachs, CIA, UN pure conservative. Huh.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (S6rOh)
100
It's like we're watching another age of dinosaurs die out before our very eyes.
Posted by: Fritz at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (2Mnv1)
101
Snatching defeat from the victorious jaws of the vagina dentata named Hillary!
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (/zgGD)
102
So, basically, the only hope for the Republic is a grand mal seizure. God's humor is inscrutable and vast.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (RD7QR)
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I've said it before, say what you want about the Democrats--evil, immoral, etc.--but they deliver results to their coalition.
Not one member of their coalition can look back over the last 10 years and say, "We haven't gotten anything."
What can the Republicans point to as their "promises delivered?"
One fucking class gets all the wins, the other gets all the blame.
Not one member of their coalition can look back over the last 10 years and say, "We haven't gotten anything."
What can the Republicans point to as their "promises delivered?"
One fucking class gets all the wins, the other gets all the blame.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 08, 2016 12:27 PM (77emZ)
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I think the appropriate mindset is just to point and laugh.
Laugh at the floundering fools as history flushes them down the toilet.
Laugh at the floundering fools as history flushes them down the toilet.
Posted by: Max Power at August 08, 2016 12:27 PM (QCc6B)
105
That witch will have hercorpse stuffed and mounted and hire a ventriloquist, if that's what it takes.
Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (OGbEB)
In discussing Hillary, please don't use the word "mounted."
Thanks.
Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (OGbEB)
In discussing Hillary, please don't use the word "mounted."
Thanks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:27 PM (SRKgf)
106
What is the GOPe end game? To punish us for daring to disrespect them? To blame us for electing Hillary so we'll march in step with Jeb next time? Mere virtue signalling?What's the point?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
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It's a shame that there are no political parties in the US that actually even pretend to care about the country.
Goes back to Mark Twain. "If voting changed anything, they'd outlaw it"
Goes back to Mark Twain. "If voting changed anything, they'd outlaw it"
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (kPMrr)
108
The GOPe thought the Monty Python skit about becoming a Village Idiot was a how to guide.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (/zgGD)
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UniParty gonna UniParty.
The fact that UniParty (R) throwing this out there shows that they are more concerned than the most recent polls suggest they should be.
The fact that UniParty (R) throwing this out there shows that they are more concerned than the most recent polls suggest they should be.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (P/kVC)
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fess up whose got the pictures of Evan
Posted by: Ben H at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (cfPDV)
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I want to see these people crushed and banished from DC forever. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at August 08, 2016 12:12 PM (I6SOt)
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The DNC did it with the DLC. (Harold Ford, anyone?)
I want to see these people crushed and banished from DC forever. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at August 08, 2016 12:12 PM (I6SOt)
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The DNC did it with the DLC. (Harold Ford, anyone?)
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (pC96u)
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>.So, basically, the only hope for the Republic is a grand mal seizure. God's humor is inscrutable and vast.
This.
Stroke/SMOD 2016!!
This.
Stroke/SMOD 2016!!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (9P3OG)
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Or is the candidate's true name Evanita Peron McGuffin?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (/zgGD)
115
So serious question: How do we go from where we are here to having an actual conservative party that represents our interests? The GOP clearly does not. And I don't think most of Trump's supporters (myself included) really believe that he's got strong conservative instincts.
Serious answer: There aren't enough conservatives to bother. Right now it's between the globalists and the nationalists, given the spectacular failure of "conservatives" to articulate a consistent vision and sell it as beneficial to most Americans. Conservatives need to do some soul-searching, hunker down, and either pray the whole shebang collapses in a manner favorable to them (yeah, good luck with that) or figure out how to embed themselves in things such that, should the day come, they can guide matters appropriately.
Me, I'm just trying to figure out how to salvage the West from the massive clusterfuck collapse it's being driven to by forces within (the Left) and without (Islam). If America gets its shit together enough to be part of it, great, if not, well, lookin' for a Plan B. (The options are not great.)
Serious answer: There aren't enough conservatives to bother. Right now it's between the globalists and the nationalists, given the spectacular failure of "conservatives" to articulate a consistent vision and sell it as beneficial to most Americans. Conservatives need to do some soul-searching, hunker down, and either pray the whole shebang collapses in a manner favorable to them (yeah, good luck with that) or figure out how to embed themselves in things such that, should the day come, they can guide matters appropriately.
Me, I'm just trying to figure out how to salvage the West from the massive clusterfuck collapse it's being driven to by forces within (the Left) and without (Islam). If America gets its shit together enough to be part of it, great, if not, well, lookin' for a Plan B. (The options are not great.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (9krrF)
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What can the Republicans point to as their "promises delivered?"
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Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (UPYhp)
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Who the hell is Evan McMullen?!? Geez, talk about everything Flyover Country doesn't like and doesn't want in a presidential candidate. Or is that the point here?
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (ry4ab)
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So, you're saying the election this time could come down to the difference on the ballots in...
UTAH!?!?!??!
Man, this is really getting to be a Yuge ball of bs.
I'm going to be optimistic and hope Utah voters can see through this bs.
NOT holding my breath.
Think I might stop reading political stuff for a while and just start praying a lot more.
I'll even pray that Hillary isn't suffering with her obvious illness, unless it's God's will for her life.
UTAH!?!?!??!
Man, this is really getting to be a Yuge ball of bs.
I'm going to be optimistic and hope Utah voters can see through this bs.
NOT holding my breath.
Think I might stop reading political stuff for a while and just start praying a lot more.
I'll even pray that Hillary isn't suffering with her obvious illness, unless it's God's will for her life.
Posted by: Orange Mule at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (uXcD2)
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106 What is the GOPe end game? To punish us for daring to disrespect them? To blame us for electing Hillary so we'll march in step with Jeb next time? Mere virtue signalling?What's the point?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
Auditioning for their role in the corporatist state coming to a former republic near you. If they show that they are good troopers then they can keep their place at the trough no matter what.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
Auditioning for their role in the corporatist state coming to a former republic near you. If they show that they are good troopers then they can keep their place at the trough no matter what.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (RD7QR)
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If Hillary is elected, the Trump supporters can take some consolation in targeting all the candidates the Nevertrumpers like for political destruction. They'll be great fun to be had in doing so.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (POnMO)
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Rush sez Trump is doing well in his speech at the Dee-troit Economic Club.
I'm looking forward to listening to it later (after Rush and before Olympics).
Rush sez Trump is doing well in his speech at the Dee-troit Economic Club.
I'm looking forward to listening to it later (after Rush and before Olympics).
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (pC96u)
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troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM
So you are saying she will be preserved to lie in state in a refridgerated mausolium in the heart of Washington, D.C. for a couple of centuries as V. Lenin does in Moscow?
I would think Obama wants that spot for himself.
So you are saying she will be preserved to lie in state in a refridgerated mausolium in the heart of Washington, D.C. for a couple of centuries as V. Lenin does in Moscow?
I would think Obama wants that spot for himself.
Posted by: Loyd Bro Hausterfester at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (ya3u6)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (bc7LP)
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>>What is the GOPe end game? To punish us for daring to disrespect them?
To blame us for electing Hillary so we'll march in step with Jeb next
time? Mere virtue signalling?What's the point?
Yes.
Also, Hillary will preserve their phoney-baloney-goodtime-banana jobs because she is the status quo, a known DC entity.
To blame us for electing Hillary so we'll march in step with Jeb next
time? Mere virtue signalling?What's the point?
Yes.
Also, Hillary will preserve their phoney-baloney-goodtime-banana jobs because she is the status quo, a known DC entity.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)
125
I remember all those blue-collar conservatives funding third-party challenges to McCain and Romney--who won their primary's with less votes than Trump.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (77emZ)
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EVICTION NOTICE
Notice is hereby given to the Republican base and to all working class Americans, you have twenty-four (24) hours to vacate our land.
Please remove yourselves beyond the borders of the United States of America. We plan to import new tenants more to our liking.
Oh, and on your way out please max out your mortgage and credit card debt and buy as much as you can of goods from our factories in China, Mexico and elsewhere outside the US.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Notice is hereby given to the Republican base and to all working class Americans, you have twenty-four (24) hours to vacate our land.
Please remove yourselves beyond the borders of the United States of America. We plan to import new tenants more to our liking.
Oh, and on your way out please max out your mortgage and credit card debt and buy as much as you can of goods from our factories in China, Mexico and elsewhere outside the US.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Posted by: Globalist business interests at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (5xDis)
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>>Goldman Sachs, CIA, UN pure conservative. Huh.
Every bit as pure as Bernie who ended up backing the most corrupt nominee in history after bashing her during his entire campaign.
Bernie wants to stay in the Senate and continue to suck down those sweet tax dollars because he could never get a job in the private sector.
There are no pure politicians. Some just pretend better.
Every bit as pure as Bernie who ended up backing the most corrupt nominee in history after bashing her during his entire campaign.
Bernie wants to stay in the Senate and continue to suck down those sweet tax dollars because he could never get a job in the private sector.
There are no pure politicians. Some just pretend better.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2016 12:31 PM (/tuJf)
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The GOP needs to be demolished.
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Just step out of the way, don't interrupt them, and watch it happen.
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Just step out of the way, don't interrupt them, and watch it happen.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:31 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2016 12:31 PM (POnMO)
130
Oh: And they're super-duper ga-ga about running the same idealist/fantasist, we-had-to-rebuild-the-village-to-destroy-it nation-building super-hawk neocon foreign policy that the rest of America loves so much too.
^This. This really is why Bill Kristol and Krauthammer hate Trump. I get it. I was a neocon. I drank the Kool aid. That shit didn't work. Huge failure. What was supposed to happen, didn't. Turns out democracy and rule of law doesn't work for third world savages. Or this country anymore either I guess.
^This. This really is why Bill Kristol and Krauthammer hate Trump. I get it. I was a neocon. I drank the Kool aid. That shit didn't work. Huge failure. What was supposed to happen, didn't. Turns out democracy and rule of law doesn't work for third world savages. Or this country anymore either I guess.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 12:31 PM (t06LC)
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102 So, basically, the only hope for the Republic is a grand mal seizure. God's humor is inscrutable and vast.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (RD7QR)
Making y'all suffer is the only real entertainment I get up here. Do you have any idea how Me-damned boring the angelic choir gets after a few eons?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (RD7QR)
Making y'all suffer is the only real entertainment I get up here. Do you have any idea how Me-damned boring the angelic choir gets after a few eons?
Posted by: God at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (0mRoj)
132
GOPe is busy broiling the bunny.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (/zgGD)
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yeah.....it's not like we need to get our actual candidate to actually focus on his message of crushing hillary......now we need this squirrel to enter the race to further distract trump and have more airing of the gope dirty laundry....yeah! the #gophuckyourselves rnc the gope is now the party of foot stomping and whining.......worse than sjws.... embarrassing.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (TfoPg)
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Notice the lack of mainstream talk about the Green Party candidate?
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The Greens are having the temerity to question the Divine Right of Hillary, First Duchess of Chappaqua, to ascend the throne of the "Democrat" Party and rule as Queen of America. therefore they will be ignored more than the Libertarians. (Yea verily, the Libertarians can't even get arrested in this election. Time to take over a state capitol, boys!)
Notice the lack of mainstream talk about the Green Party candidate?
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The Greens are having the temerity to question the Divine Right of Hillary, First Duchess of Chappaqua, to ascend the throne of the "Democrat" Party and rule as Queen of America. therefore they will be ignored more than the Libertarians. (Yea verily, the Libertarians can't even get arrested in this election. Time to take over a state capitol, boys!)
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (ry4ab)
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The American Thinker blog/link in nic- goes into detail about the Hilary health questions.
Yesterday I saw a bumper sticker that said 2016 We are screwed. It was a ,most likely, Bernie supporter. I doubt they will vote for Hillary, and probably not Trump,but they are probably never going to trust the dem party again!
Yesterday I saw a bumper sticker that said 2016 We are screwed. It was a ,most likely, Bernie supporter. I doubt they will vote for Hillary, and probably not Trump,but they are probably never going to trust the dem party again!
Posted by: Chillin the most at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (BI43k)
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44 The good news is that the masks are all off now.
The bad news is that we now know that way more people than we hoped had previously been wearing masks.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (KUaJL)
THIS. True, and Terrifying.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (hvf9s)
Sorry you guys are now going through what we Bernie supporters have been watching for the past year. The DC establishment has decided that Hillary must be the next president and will do everything in their power to make it so. Trump is literally the only hope at this point.
The bad news is that we now know that way more people than we hoped had previously been wearing masks.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:14 PM (KUaJL)
THIS. True, and Terrifying.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:18 PM (hvf9s)
Sorry you guys are now going through what we Bernie supporters have been watching for the past year. The DC establishment has decided that Hillary must be the next president and will do everything in their power to make it so. Trump is literally the only hope at this point.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (S6rOh)
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'No Amish is going to vote for Hillary':
Pennsylvania community mostly backs Trump
Despite 'too much bragging' by Trump,
Amish against social liberalism and voting for a woman
Pennsylvania community mostly backs Trump
Despite 'too much bragging' by Trump,
Amish against social liberalism and voting for a woman
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (brgv3)
139
So, what arch-conservative clients has PrickWilson lent his awesome mind-power to in the past?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (OkKDg)
140
..."Yes.
Also, Hillary will preserve their phoney-baloney-goodtime-banana Rock-And-Roller jobs because she is the status quo, a known DC entity.
-Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)
Rush Phrase Fixed.
Also, Hillary will preserve their phoney-baloney-goodtime-banana Rock-And-Roller jobs because she is the status quo, a known DC entity.
-Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)
Rush Phrase Fixed.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (6gk0M)
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Like I said this morning, if Rick Wilson is so damned great as a political strategist, why the fuck has his home fucking state of Florida--the one he ought to know better than any other state--voted for a Democrat the last two cycles?
Shouldn't he have a message that could win there?
(And isn't this guy a Rubio fanboi? How did Rubio do in his homestate again?)
Shouldn't he have a message that could win there?
(And isn't this guy a Rubio fanboi? How did Rubio do in his homestate again?)
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (77emZ)
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129 I mean "homicidal" 
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (POnMO)
143
So you are saying she will be preserved to lie in state in a refridgerated mausolium in the heart of Washington, D.C. for a couple of centuries as V. Lenin does in Moscow?
Nah. Stuffed and [redacted] like Trigger, Roy Rogers' horse.
Nah. Stuffed and [redacted] like Trigger, Roy Rogers' horse.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (SRKgf)
144
Sometimes he calls them "The F.M.-Types", as well.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (6gk0M)
145
Yes, and also notice CNN having no interest whatsoever in giving the "historic" Green Party candidate a primetime forum to share her views as they did for Gary Johnson and his queer partner Bill Weld.
Yes, and also notice CNN having no interest whatsoever in giving the "historic" Green Party candidate a primetime forum to share her views as they did for Gary Johnson and his queer partner Bill Weld.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (TfoPg)
146
>>In discussing Hillary, please don't use the word "mounted."
Thanks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Why not?
Thanks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Why not?
Posted by: Huma's Strap On at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (c7vUv)
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[ ] A Cocksucker All Along
You decide.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (TfoPg)
my selection......he blocked me on twitter for a comment i made here way back when....very cj-ish
You decide.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (TfoPg)
my selection......he blocked me on twitter for a comment i made here way back when....very cj-ish
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (TfoPg)
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Evan McMullin.
With an "i".
Let's try to get that straight before we have to print the invitations for the Inauguration.
Evan McMullin.
With an "i".
Let's try to get that straight before we have to print the invitations for the Inauguration.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (kdS6q)
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As a conservative white male in his mid 40's, I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society, with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars for my societal and political betters.
**sigh**
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
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138 'No Amish is going to vote for Hillary':
Pennsylvania community mostly backs Trump
Despite 'too much bragging' by Trump,
Amish against social liberalism and voting for a woman
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (brgv3)
Great. Lancaster County is in the bag for the GOP. Just as it has been for the past 150 years.
Pennsylvania community mostly backs Trump
Despite 'too much bragging' by Trump,
Amish against social liberalism and voting for a woman
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 08, 2016 12:32 PM (brgv3)
Great. Lancaster County is in the bag for the GOP. Just as it has been for the past 150 years.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (RD7QR)
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Well if there's one thing the USA is still good at it's wasting an incredible amount of time and money on nothing.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (KvWlw)
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Serious answer: There aren't enough conservatives to bother. Right now it's between the globalists and the nationalists, given the spectacular failure of "conservatives" to articulate a consistent vision and sell it as beneficial to most Americans. Conservatives need to do some soul-searching, hunker down, and either pray the whole shebang collapses in a manner favorable to them (yeah, good luck with that) or figure out how to embed themselves in things such that, should the day come, they can guide matters appropriately.
Me, I'm just trying to figure out how to salvage the West from the massive clusterfuck collapse it's being driven to by forces within (the Left) and without (Islam). If America gets its shit together enough to be part of it, great, if not, well, lookin' for a Plan B. (The options are not great.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (9krrF)
Yeah, that's basically what I'd been worrying.
Me, I'm just trying to figure out how to salvage the West from the massive clusterfuck collapse it's being driven to by forces within (the Left) and without (Islam). If America gets its shit together enough to be part of it, great, if not, well, lookin' for a Plan B. (The options are not great.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (9krrF)
Yeah, that's basically what I'd been worrying.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (KUaJL)
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Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (kdS6q)
do they send those to africa too like the wrong super bowl winner shirts?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (kdS6q)
do they send those to africa too like the wrong super bowl winner shirts?
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (0O7c5)
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Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (9krrF)
Agreed with all of this
Agreed with all of this
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (0o/oP)
Posted by: garrett at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (c1srJ)
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>>> This Utah resident is not voting for the schmuck.
Posted by: Mark in Sandy UT at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (LZ0tZ)
Same here. They are forgetting that a lot of the Romney love in Utah is because he helped run the successful SLC Olympics, he became a household name here. People were thrilled to vote for the man, the Mormon part was an extra bonus. Who is this McMullen putz what we should vote for him? It is cynical baiting by the GOP if it happens. I like to think well enough of my fellow Utahns they will not fall for this.
Posted by: Mark in Sandy UT at August 08, 2016 12:22 PM (LZ0tZ)
Same here. They are forgetting that a lot of the Romney love in Utah is because he helped run the successful SLC Olympics, he became a household name here. People were thrilled to vote for the man, the Mormon part was an extra bonus. Who is this McMullen putz what we should vote for him? It is cynical baiting by the GOP if it happens. I like to think well enough of my fellow Utahns they will not fall for this.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (/zgGD)
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150 As a conservative white male in his mid 40's, I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society, with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars for my societal and political betters.
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Welcome to the club.
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (0mRoj)
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It's all Lies now. I thought 2008 was bad when the media went full in the tank for obama, spinning for racist Jeremiah Wright and terrorist William Ayers.
But it's even worse today.
All Lies when you turn on the TV. Lie after lie about Trump, and Full Spin mode for Hillary Clinton.
It's all Lies now. I thought 2008 was bad when the media went full in the tank for obama, spinning for racist Jeremiah Wright and terrorist William Ayers.
But it's even worse today.
All Lies when you turn on the TV. Lie after lie about Trump, and Full Spin mode for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (TfoPg)
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If you want to know why the Green Party isn't getting any press, you should check out Jill Stein's VP pick. Pure genius that....
Posted by: Azathoth at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (DRWGY)
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Out of the chaos, the noise, and the confusion, the world screams with one voice for Evan McMullen!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (Nwg0u)
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From Rush's description of the Trump event, I'd say Hillary should be nervous. Crowd goes wild when he hammers her.
From Rush's description of the Trump event, I'd say Hillary should be nervous. Crowd goes wild when he hammers her.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (pC96u)
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"Conservstism" by and large is a fund raising and book publishing scam not a governing political system.
With Hillary in the White House the scam can continue which is why Trump is seen as an existential threat to the consultant class as well as the "Conservstive commentariate industrial complex."
A Trump presidency would be disasterous to the bottom lines for these people.
With Hillary in the White House the scam can continue which is why Trump is seen as an existential threat to the consultant class as well as the "Conservstive commentariate industrial complex."
A Trump presidency would be disasterous to the bottom lines for these people.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (CEzm0)
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We have nothing to fear from Hillary in this election.
Her health deteriorates by the hour.
Every time I click here, I hope to see a Flaming Skull of her stroke/demise/or anything that will end her political carrier.
Her health deteriorates by the hour.
Every time I click here, I hope to see a Flaming Skull of her stroke/demise/or anything that will end her political carrier.
Posted by: Paladin at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (LTquJ)
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55
So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary
Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
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The Second Civil War, possibly, or the sort of opposition removal dealt out to the Gracchi. Or the actual reboot of Red Dawn when the PRC invades the USA to reclaim its bond money.
So incredibly corrupt, dishonest, and blitheringly incompetent Hillary
Clinton will be president. What's the worst that could happen?
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The Second Civil War, possibly, or the sort of opposition removal dealt out to the Gracchi. Or the actual reboot of Red Dawn when the PRC invades the USA to reclaim its bond money.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (ry4ab)
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>What is the GOPe end game? To punish us for daring to disrespect them?
To blame us for electing Hillary so we'll march in step with Jeb next
time? Mere virtue signalling?What's the point?
Ask the CoC.
To blame us for electing Hillary so we'll march in step with Jeb next
time? Mere virtue signalling?What's the point?
Ask the CoC.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (0o/oP)
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Great. Another Clinton in the Oval Orifice. The GOPe is scurrying around, looking for pointed objects to stick in their eyes.
Posted by: Hank at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (FGVDB)
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>>> Snatching defeat from the victorious jaws of the vagina dentata named Hillary!
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (/zgGD)
This is the sort of vivid, horrifyingly accurate imagery that the Horde always delivers on. Thanks Anna...sort of.
*looks for the almost empty bottle of brain bleach*
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:26 PM (/zgGD)
This is the sort of vivid, horrifyingly accurate imagery that the Horde always delivers on. Thanks Anna...sort of.
*looks for the almost empty bottle of brain bleach*
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (hvf9s)
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I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society,
with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars
for my societal and political betters
We're funding The Titanic.
with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars
for my societal and political betters
We're funding The Titanic.
Posted by: The AoSHQ Concern Desk at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (Tyii7)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
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Sounds like they dusted off GM's strategy circa 1970's on how to defeat Toyota.
Sounds like they dusted off GM's strategy circa 1970's on how to defeat Toyota.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (lKyWE)
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exdem13 that would be funny, if the PRC foreclosed on the US and then defaulted itself to Russia.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (/zgGD)
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Trump talking in Detroit and very few minutes another left wing nut gets up screams and is ejected.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (zp+j1)
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Turn on the tv "news" at any time and you'll find pro-Clinton guests, and, if the "news" program chooses to balance their coverage, they will put on Republicans...who hate Trump.
That's the "news" today. All day. For the next 91 days.
Trump has no idea what he's got himself into.
btw, the S&P hit a record high today! Yay, obama! obama made the 1% richer!!
Turn on the tv "news" at any time and you'll find pro-Clinton guests, and, if the "news" program chooses to balance their coverage, they will put on Republicans...who hate Trump.
That's the "news" today. All day. For the next 91 days.
Trump has no idea what he's got himself into.
btw, the S&P hit a record high today! Yay, obama! obama made the 1% richer!!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (TfoPg)
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I thought McMullen & Wife was a dopey comystery in which Rock Hudson pretended to be hutch.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (Nwg0u)
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As a conservative white male in his mid 40's, I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society, with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars for my societal and political betters.
All this, plus I have to look after dad through all this shit.
If you wonder why my tolerance for certain things seems zero, remember that.
All this, plus I have to look after dad through all this shit.
If you wonder why my tolerance for certain things seems zero, remember that.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (9krrF)
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So they found a McMuffin to run...Yawn
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (zp+j1)
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Anybody watching Trump's economic speech in Detroit? He's doing pretty well.
Protestors being led out every few minutes or so and he's maintaining his cool. Obviously this timing tactic is meant to distract but he's been calm and on point.
Protestors being led out every few minutes or so and he's maintaining his cool. Obviously this timing tactic is meant to distract but he's been calm and on point.
Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (hgBpU)
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Serious questions...
Are those that are #NeverTrump happy with this? Will you be casting a ballot for McMuffin?
Or, does this chafe you as it does me (not a #NT guy, but not I don't own a Make America Great hat) and actually possibly swing in the direction of voting for Trump instead of abstaining or voting for the Liberaciism candidate?
Are those that are #NeverTrump happy with this? Will you be casting a ballot for McMuffin?
Or, does this chafe you as it does me (not a #NT guy, but not I don't own a Make America Great hat) and actually possibly swing in the direction of voting for Trump instead of abstaining or voting for the Liberaciism candidate?
Posted by: ajmojo at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (1H9ox)
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Great. Another Clinton in the Oval Orifice. The GOPe is scurrying around, looking for pointed objects to stick in their eyes.
Posted by: Hank
In their defense, if Her Thighness is elected, I'd want to put my eyes out too.
Posted by: Hank
In their defense, if Her Thighness is elected, I'd want to put my eyes out too.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (UPYhp)
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (kPMrr)
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127 >>Goldman Sachs, CIA, UN pure conservative. Huh.
Every bit as pure as Bernie who ended up backing the most corrupt nominee in history after bashing her during his entire campaign.
Bernie wants to stay in the Senate and continue to suck down those sweet tax dollars because he could never get a job in the private sector.
There are no pure politicians. Some just pretend better.
Bernie did pretty damned well considering he was fighting the entire DNC and the media. He went back to the Senate as an I at least. But I am not here to fight. I'm here to join forces against Hillary. Insulting people who might support the only candidate who can do that doesn't help the cause.
127 >>Goldman Sachs, CIA, UN pure conservative. Huh.
Every bit as pure as Bernie who ended up backing the most corrupt nominee in history after bashing her during his entire campaign.
Bernie wants to stay in the Senate and continue to suck down those sweet tax dollars because he could never get a job in the private sector.
There are no pure politicians. Some just pretend better.
Bernie did pretty damned well considering he was fighting the entire DNC and the media. He went back to the Senate as an I at least. But I am not here to fight. I'm here to join forces against Hillary. Insulting people who might support the only candidate who can do that doesn't help the cause.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (S6rOh)
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10 protesters thrown out of Trump's Detroit speech just now.
Trumps' comment: "At least Bernie Sanders protesters had more energy."
Trumps' comment: "At least Bernie Sanders protesters had more energy."
Posted by: Azathoth at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (DRWGY)
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Trump talking in Detroit and very few minutes another left wing nut gets up screams and is ejected.
You mean FASCIST.
They're not left wing nuts. These people are vicious and committed FASCISTS.
Trump talking in Detroit and very few minutes another left wing nut gets up screams and is ejected.
You mean FASCIST.
They're not left wing nuts. These people are vicious and committed FASCISTS.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (TfoPg)
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143
So you are saying she will be preserved to lie in state in a
refridgerated mausolium in the heart of Washington, D.C. for a couple of
centuries as V. Lenin does in Moscow?
Nah. Stuffed and [redacted] like Trigger, Roy Rogers' horse.
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Great, now I am thinking of a "Five Nights at Hillary's" video game. O_o
So you are saying she will be preserved to lie in state in a
refridgerated mausolium in the heart of Washington, D.C. for a couple of
centuries as V. Lenin does in Moscow?
Nah. Stuffed and [redacted] like Trigger, Roy Rogers' horse.
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Great, now I am thinking of a "Five Nights at Hillary's" video game. O_o
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (ry4ab)
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"Conservstism" by and large is a fund raising and book publishing scam not a governing political system.
With Hillary in the White House the scam can continue which is why Trump is seen as an existential threat to the consultant class as well as the "Conservstive commentariate industrial complex."
A Trump presidency would be disasterous to the bottom lines for these people."
-Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (CEzm0)
You're confusing "Conservatism" with the GOP.
With Hillary in the White House the scam can continue which is why Trump is seen as an existential threat to the consultant class as well as the "Conservstive commentariate industrial complex."
A Trump presidency would be disasterous to the bottom lines for these people."
-Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2016 12:37 PM (CEzm0)
You're confusing "Conservatism" with the GOP.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (6gk0M)
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Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:29 PM (9krrF)
Yeah, that's basically what I'd been worrying.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (KUaJL)
Same here.
Yeah, that's basically what I'd been worrying.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2016 12:35 PM (KUaJL)
Same here.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (SRKgf)
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Constitutionally, the electorial college will save us no matter how chaotic November happens to be.
and failing that
we have the House of Representatives.
and we have lawyers
Constitutionally, the electorial college will save us no matter how chaotic November happens to be.
and failing that
we have the House of Representatives.
and we have lawyers
Posted by: Loyd Bro Hausterfester at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (ya3u6)
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21 I want to see these people crushed and banished from DC forever. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at August 08, 2016 12:12 PM (I6SOt)
In the article sans_sheriff mentions, Wilson diagnosis the Trump problem. His solution? Outreach to the Latino community. I take that as code for CIR. They just don't get it. The problem with Trump is Trump. The problem with Wilson et.al. is they think Trump has the wrong policies; if we would just go along with them, it would all be good. It's what Ace has been hitting for months now. Can't these people even see that they birthed Trump by ignoring their base?
Posted by: sans_sheriff at August 08, 2016 12:12 PM (I6SOt)
In the article sans_sheriff mentions, Wilson diagnosis the Trump problem. His solution? Outreach to the Latino community. I take that as code for CIR. They just don't get it. The problem with Trump is Trump. The problem with Wilson et.al. is they think Trump has the wrong policies; if we would just go along with them, it would all be good. It's what Ace has been hitting for months now. Can't these people even see that they birthed Trump by ignoring their base?
Posted by: duke at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (EQNFN)
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Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Check your Privilege, Buddy.
Posted by: garrett at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (c1srJ)
**...Swing low sweet chariot....
**sigh**
Check your Privilege, Buddy.
Posted by: garrett at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (c1srJ)
**...Swing low sweet chariot....
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (NpXoL)
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171
So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
Democrats hold another ballot, then put the new nominee on the ballots in each state, assuming that the laws of the state in question allow them to do so. It could be that there are states in which the ballot is set in concrete now, which is probably why Hillary's attending physician is a nervous wreck.
So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
Democrats hold another ballot, then put the new nominee on the ballots in each state, assuming that the laws of the state in question allow them to do so. It could be that there are states in which the ballot is set in concrete now, which is probably why Hillary's attending physician is a nervous wreck.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 12:41 PM (RD7QR)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
...
She is still "voted" in as we stopped paying attention to the Constitution a long time ago.
...
She is still "voted" in as we stopped paying attention to the Constitution a long time ago.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 08, 2016 12:41 PM (1H9ox)
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At the end of last week a group of tourists from Israel received permission to pray at the tomb of Aaron, brother of Moses, which is in Jordan. However, Jordanian officials refused to let them through with anything that marks them as Jewish, according to a Channel 2 news report.
And these are the "Moderates" we always hear about? Peace in our Time!
And these are the "Moderates" we always hear about? Peace in our Time!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (zp+j1)
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Ex CIA, Goldman, UN and chief policy man for house GOPe.
You gotta' hand it to em'. That's a grand slam right there. SMOD worthy hire if I've ever seen one.
You gotta' hand it to em'. That's a grand slam right there. SMOD worthy hire if I've ever seen one.
Posted by: Cooldawg at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (TxM3A)
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The only silver (gray, actually) lining to this awful time in our nation's history is all the Shits who have exposed themselves and have thrown away their careers as supposed "conservstives."
I look forward to Rick Cocksucker Wilson's irrelevance, along with Glenn Beck and many many more like him.
The only silver (gray, actually) lining to this awful time in our nation's history is all the Shits who have exposed themselves and have thrown away their careers as supposed "conservstives."
I look forward to Rick Cocksucker Wilson's irrelevance, along with Glenn Beck and many many more like him.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (TfoPg)
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Ace, buddy, I say this in love, but we had multiple candidates during the nomination process who polled ahead of Clinton in head to head matchups. We had one who got stomped in all of those head to heads, even the ones with Bernie.
Guess which one we nominated.
Yeah yeah, I know, the Holy Hill of Immigration upon which we must be sacrificed. I don't care about it. It doesn't impact me in a negative way. And I don't actually believe St. Michael Brown and Pajama Boy were really going to go get a job, but that Jose and Maria stopped them. Or, for that matter, Bubba Bumfuck, unemployed but proudly waving the Confederate flag. I think he likes to sit at home, not work, and when called out on that, blame immigrants, because that's a lot easier than, I dunno, improving one's skill set, making oneself more valuable, getting off the couch, etc.
Guess which one we nominated.
Yeah yeah, I know, the Holy Hill of Immigration upon which we must be sacrificed. I don't care about it. It doesn't impact me in a negative way. And I don't actually believe St. Michael Brown and Pajama Boy were really going to go get a job, but that Jose and Maria stopped them. Or, for that matter, Bubba Bumfuck, unemployed but proudly waving the Confederate flag. I think he likes to sit at home, not work, and when called out on that, blame immigrants, because that's a lot easier than, I dunno, improving one's skill set, making oneself more valuable, getting off the couch, etc.
Posted by: The Governor at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (Ib5sz)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
The Constitution doesn't really care how the nominations come about. If the Dems want to run a replacement and can jawbone enough states into going along, they drop in Joey Paintchips and roll in style. If they want to stay as is and roll the dice, effectively swearing in Kaine as President, they can try that.
The Constitution doesn't really care how the nominations come about. If the Dems want to run a replacement and can jawbone enough states into going along, they drop in Joey Paintchips and roll in style. If they want to stay as is and roll the dice, effectively swearing in Kaine as President, they can try that.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (9krrF)
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Coupe!
Posted by: Revolutionary guy who can't spell at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (KvWlw)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
The DNC then elects the President. It's in the "adumbrations and penumbrae" clause of the Constitution.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
The DNC then elects the President. It's in the "adumbrations and penumbrae" clause of the Constitution.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (SRKgf)
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Alternatives?
Posted by: SMOD at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (lnki2)
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159 150 As a conservative white male in his mid 40's, I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society, with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars for my societal and political betters.
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (0mRoj)
____
Do we get club pins and stuff?
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (0mRoj)
____
Do we get club pins and stuff?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Cu/XA)
Posted by: willy at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Ffw22)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
I think maybe Chelsea becomes President then.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
I think maybe Chelsea becomes President then.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (SRKgf)
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Ace, buddy, I say this in love, but we had multiple candidates during the nomination process who polled ahead of Clinton in head to head matchups. We had one who got stomped in all of those head to heads, even the ones with Bernie.
Guess which one we nominated.
Point. Of. Order.
Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, of course Trump did well, the press always suckers folks into picking who they want to stop and turns on them in the general!"
And assumes that wasn't going on with the other 16 weak sisters that ran for the GOP nod.
Can we please just have the slightest touch of internal consistency in these scenarios please? It's just plain insulting now.
Guess which one we nominated.
Point. Of. Order.
Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, of course Trump did well, the press always suckers folks into picking who they want to stop and turns on them in the general!"
And assumes that wasn't going on with the other 16 weak sisters that ran for the GOP nod.
Can we please just have the slightest touch of internal consistency in these scenarios please? It's just plain insulting now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (9krrF)
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Just damn. A pox on the gopE's houses.
They just don't want to win.
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Wrong. Trump not being in the White House is a win for them.
They just don't want to win.
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Wrong. Trump not being in the White House is a win for them.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (1H9ox)
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Yes, and also notice CNN having no interest whatsoever in giving the "historic" Green Party candidate a primetime forum to share her views as they did for Gary Johnson and his queer partner Bill Weld.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (TfoPg)
Is it in Trump's interest to have a 4 person presidential debate with all the candidates? Let dems see Jill Stein is a 3rd party option. Or does that pull focus, is just a one on one dustup between Trump and Hillary better?
Whatever Trump demands he could get.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:33 PM (TfoPg)
Is it in Trump's interest to have a 4 person presidential debate with all the candidates? Let dems see Jill Stein is a 3rd party option. Or does that pull focus, is just a one on one dustup between Trump and Hillary better?
Whatever Trump demands he could get.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceef?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
The Democrats have the dead vote. So why not run and hold office?
Posted by: fixerupper at August 08, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
The Democrats have the dead vote. So why not run and hold office?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:45 PM (493sH)
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197 Ace, buddy, I say this in love, but we had multiple candidates during the nomination process who polled ahead of Clinton in head to head matchups. We had one who got stomped in all of those head to heads, even the ones with Bernie.
Guess which one we nominated.
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1. Who polled "well ahead" of Hillary? Please provide specific polls.
2. Romney was polling "well ahead" of Obama in late 2011/early 2012.
Guess which one we nominated.
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1. Who polled "well ahead" of Hillary? Please provide specific polls.
2. Romney was polling "well ahead" of Obama in late 2011/early 2012.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:45 PM (Cu/XA)
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"I think maybe Chelsea becomes President then."
-Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (SRKgf)
I'm pretty sure that I'm In-Charge.
-Alan Haig.
-Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (SRKgf)
I'm pretty sure that I'm In-Charge.
-Alan Haig.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:45 PM (6gk0M)
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I commented on this phenomenon on the previous thread.
There was a good article at The Federalist about this.
http://tinyurl.com/z7kx94p
Basically, the gist of the article is, there are three factions among conservatives:
The Nationalists, who care most about border security and protectionism, and for whom immigration is the overriding issue
The
Grassroots, who care most about social issues, and who tend to be
either indifferent or pragmatic on the issue of immigration
The Establishment, who care most about low taxes and economic growth, and who openly advocate for more immigration
And immigration is just one of many issues for which one of the three factions holds a near-absolutist position, but the other faction(s) holds a near-absolutist position in the *opposite direction*.
So the National GOP was held together as an uneasy coalition among these three factions, but the last few years has seen that coalition evaporate. So there really isn't any National GOP party any more, only three warring factions.
Trump won the primary, despite his numerous flaws, because he was the only candidate representing the Nationalist Faction. The other two factions had multiple candidates splitting the vote.
There was a good article at The Federalist about this.
http://tinyurl.com/z7kx94p
Basically, the gist of the article is, there are three factions among conservatives:
The Nationalists, who care most about border security and protectionism, and for whom immigration is the overriding issue
The
Grassroots, who care most about social issues, and who tend to be
either indifferent or pragmatic on the issue of immigration
The Establishment, who care most about low taxes and economic growth, and who openly advocate for more immigration
And immigration is just one of many issues for which one of the three factions holds a near-absolutist position, but the other faction(s) holds a near-absolutist position in the *opposite direction*.
So the National GOP was held together as an uneasy coalition among these three factions, but the last few years has seen that coalition evaporate. So there really isn't any National GOP party any more, only three warring factions.
Trump won the primary, despite his numerous flaws, because he was the only candidate representing the Nationalist Faction. The other two factions had multiple candidates splitting the vote.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2016 12:45 PM (uAvJJ)
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Yeah yeah, I know, the Holy Hill of Immigration upon which we must be sacrificed. I don't care about it. It doesn't impact me in a negative way. And I don't actually believe St. Michael Brown and Pajama Boy were really going to go get a job, but that Jose and Maria stopped them.
It's not as much the unskilled job, as it is the cost of them being here in financial resources, law enforcement resources, and stolen elections.
It's not as much the unskilled job, as it is the cost of them being here in financial resources, law enforcement resources, and stolen elections.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 12:45 PM (kPMrr)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:45 PM (TfoPg)
Posted by: Vote Nehlen - Dump Ryan at August 08, 2016 12:46 PM (YDkm4)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:46 PM (6gk0M)
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Can't these people even see that they birthed Trump by ignoring their base?
They don't want to see it. Nor do they want to see that by undermining their own party's candidate they'll chase off a bunch of their base.
The blinders they wear are made of donor money.
They don't want to see it. Nor do they want to see that by undermining their own party's candidate they'll chase off a bunch of their base.
The blinders they wear are made of donor money.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 08, 2016 12:46 PM (T/cxb)
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Pretty pathetic, but I'm honestly not worried.
Still, people are going to remember this and all it will insure is that the next nominee will also be on Trump's platform.
Trump did kill Establishment Republicanism, there's just some zombies still walking around.
Still, people are going to remember this and all it will insure is that the next nominee will also be on Trump's platform.
Trump did kill Establishment Republicanism, there's just some zombies still walking around.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 12:46 PM (bb6Hh)
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161 If you want to know why the Green Party isn't getting any press, you should check out Jill Stein's VP pick. Pure genius that....
Posted by: Azathoth at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (DRWGY)
She and Gary Johnson must share the same drug dealer. And he is coming up with some potent shit.
Posted by: Azathoth at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (DRWGY)
She and Gary Johnson must share the same drug dealer. And he is coming up with some potent shit.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:46 PM (SRKgf)
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Nothingburger.
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (Uy6ri)
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170
I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society,
with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars
for my societal and political betters
We're funding The Titanic.
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I got this one. Play it Harry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkSRF-uHlWk
I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of society,
with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax dollars
for my societal and political betters
We're funding The Titanic.
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I got this one. Play it Harry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkSRF-uHlWk
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (ry4ab)
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chemjeff, The Federalist is a bunch of cocksuckers.
There are no "nationalists" unless you define people who want the laws on the books, you know, enforced, as Nationalists.
chemjeff, The Federalist is a bunch of cocksuckers.
There are no "nationalists" unless you define people who want the laws on the books, you know, enforced, as Nationalists.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (TfoPg)
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Can't these people even see that they birthed Trump by ignoring their base?
They didn't ignore their base, because we aren't their base.
They didn't ignore their base, because we aren't their base.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (uAvJJ)
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Trump is absolutely better off debating Johnson, Stein, and Clinton than just Clinton.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's
Agreed.
I really don't see many conservatives falling for the Libertarian ticket this time around.
Make it a circus and Trump will win.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's
Agreed.
I really don't see many conservatives falling for the Libertarian ticket this time around.
Make it a circus and Trump will win.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (bb6Hh)
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>>> Bernie did pretty damned well considering he was fighting the entire DNC and the media. He went back to the Senate as an I at least. But I am not here to fight. I'm here to join forces against Hillary. Insulting people who might support the only candidate who can do that doesn't help the cause.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (S6rOh)
You are right about Bernie; it shows how much the average dem hates Hillary though they tried to pretend otherwise at DNC, tried to unite the party using anti Trump hate. She has no excitement behind her despite the DNC lies.
And for what it's worth, as far as I'm concerned you are very welcome here.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (S6rOh)
You are right about Bernie; it shows how much the average dem hates Hillary though they tried to pretend otherwise at DNC, tried to unite the party using anti Trump hate. She has no excitement behind her despite the DNC lies.
And for what it's worth, as far as I'm concerned you are very welcome here.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (hvf9s)
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Jill Stein could get 10% by simply stating "I don't cackle or drool"
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (/zgGD)
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Do we get club pins and stuff?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Cu/XA)
Not enough in the budget for that. We can work up a secret handshake if you like.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Cu/XA)
Not enough in the budget for that. We can work up a secret handshake if you like.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (0mRoj)
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@187
I don't think so.
The entire political and governing reality we have been laboring under was created by a handful of Democrats Wilson,FDR, LBJ, etc.. I don't see a viable or functioning "conservative" counterpoint to this reality.
I don't think so.
The entire political and governing reality we have been laboring under was created by a handful of Democrats Wilson,FDR, LBJ, etc.. I don't see a viable or functioning "conservative" counterpoint to this reality.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (xZbMI)
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Trump won the primary, despite his numerous flaws, because he was the only candidate representing the Nationalist Faction. The other two factions had multiple candidates splitting the vote.
Posted by: chemjeff
Yeah, I split the three up differently when I pontificated about that last week, but that's about the size of things.
All the King's horses and all the King's men are taking a rain check on this Humpty Dumpty.
Posted by: chemjeff
Yeah, I split the three up differently when I pontificated about that last week, but that's about the size of things.
All the King's horses and all the King's men are taking a rain check on this Humpty Dumpty.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (9krrF)
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The DNC did it with the DLC. (Harold Ford, anyone?)
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (pC96u)
Well, if memory serves Ford pretty much dropped out of the elected office game because he figured his blazingly corrupt family would drag him down. Which of course is ridiculous. Being a Donk is like being smeared head-to-toe with Criminal-Charges-Be-Gone brand shampoo.
The DNC did it with the DLC. (Harold Ford, anyone?)
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 08, 2016 12:28 PM (pC96u)
Well, if memory serves Ford pretty much dropped out of the elected office game because he figured his blazingly corrupt family would drag him down. Which of course is ridiculous. Being a Donk is like being smeared head-to-toe with Criminal-Charges-Be-Gone brand shampoo.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (Xv6Y5)
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>>>And of course the Establishment absolutely refuses any self-examination whatsoever.
Oh, they do. They just rule out any prescriptions that involve making the party more conservative.
It's just amazing to me that you can turn on the TV every night and watch giddy liberals talking the X's & O's of demographics changes, but the idea of stopping these changes, TO YOUR ELECTORAL BENEFIT, is racist and taboo. It's strategically better to help your opposition build the demographics firewall that will lock you out of electoral politics for good than to be called a racist for trying to stop it.
Oh, they do. They just rule out any prescriptions that involve making the party more conservative.
It's just amazing to me that you can turn on the TV every night and watch giddy liberals talking the X's & O's of demographics changes, but the idea of stopping these changes, TO YOUR ELECTORAL BENEFIT, is racist and taboo. It's strategically better to help your opposition build the demographics firewall that will lock you out of electoral politics for good than to be called a racist for trying to stop it.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (s9KBB)
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159 150 As a conservative white male in his mid
40's, I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of
society, with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax
dollars for my societal and political betters.
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (0mRoj)
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Do we get club pins and stuff?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Cu/XA)
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No, but there will be coffee and scones served at our first meeting. Valu-rite and pants optional of course.
40's, I look forward to spending another 4 years on the periphery of
society, with no voice or value except as a living vessel to create tax
dollars for my societal and political betters.
**sigh**
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:34 PM (NpXoL)
Welcome to the club.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 12:36 PM (0mRoj)
____
Do we get club pins and stuff?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Cu/XA)
**
No, but there will be coffee and scones served at our first meeting. Valu-rite and pants optional of course.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (NpXoL)
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As mentioned above, I don't think Trump quite understood what he was getting into once he became the nominee. He's a very well known personality, and as a member of the entertainment elite I'm sure he thought he would get much better press coverage than the average Republican.
IMO, if Trump can't win this thing it cannot be won and the anti-freedom party will accelerate their lawlessness and complete disregard of the constitution. None of the candidates that Trump trumped would be doing as well as he is right now, if that were possible one of those 16 would be the current candidate.
IMO, if Trump can't win this thing it cannot be won and the anti-freedom party will accelerate their lawlessness and complete disregard of the constitution. None of the candidates that Trump trumped would be doing as well as he is right now, if that were possible one of those 16 would be the current candidate.
Posted by: Boots at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (EBwPV)
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Is it possible they're going for an Option 3 election with the House picking the president?
Posted by: Lauren at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (EPWpk)
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Hillary's so decrepit her v dentata have to be pulled out and left in a Polident cup overnight.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (62ucv)
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Trump is giving his speech and someone in the office said, He keeps throwing people out of the place! That's all he does. I said you mean the people who are screaming and yelling at him and purposely disrupting him and security is removing? And he was going around the office telling people that Trump was throwing people out. Like he was randomly selecting and having them thrown out.
Trump is giving his speech and someone in the office said, He keeps throwing people out of the place! That's all he does. I said you mean the people who are screaming and yelling at him and purposely disrupting him and security is removing? And he was going around the office telling people that Trump was throwing people out. Like he was randomly selecting and having them thrown out.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (493sH)
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So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceed?
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In a much safer direction, of course!
Be here all week folks, please try the prime rib.
Whatsihisface from Virginia becomes the presidential nominee, and someone approved by the DNC gets to be Veep nominee, I guess.
So... Hillary strokes out. How, constitutionally, does the election proceed?
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In a much safer direction, of course!
Be here all week folks, please try the prime rib. Whatsihisface from Virginia becomes the presidential nominee, and someone approved by the DNC gets to be Veep nominee, I guess.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (ry4ab)
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>>Bernie did pretty damned well considering he was fighting the entire DNC and the media. He went back to the Senate as an I at least. But I am not here to fight. I'm here to join forces against Hillary. Insulting people who might support the only candidate who can do that doesn't help the cause.
I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing our an inconvenient fact for Bernie supporters. He rolled over and endorsed the old hag so that he would get Democrat support in his next Senate run. You should be mad at him for insulting you and trying to help Hillary get elected and hammering Trump whenever possible.
And Bernie wasn't ignored by the media at all. He was on everywhere with his free shit message and I never saw the press call him on the irrationality of his proposals once. He will now fade back into the obscurity he deserves.
It's great that you want Hillary to lose and so do I but that's probably all we have in common. I am not a Trump supporter, I'm a Hillary despiser.
I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing our an inconvenient fact for Bernie supporters. He rolled over and endorsed the old hag so that he would get Democrat support in his next Senate run. You should be mad at him for insulting you and trying to help Hillary get elected and hammering Trump whenever possible.
And Bernie wasn't ignored by the media at all. He was on everywhere with his free shit message and I never saw the press call him on the irrationality of his proposals once. He will now fade back into the obscurity he deserves.
It's great that you want Hillary to lose and so do I but that's probably all we have in common. I am not a Trump supporter, I'm a Hillary despiser.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (/tuJf)
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179 Anybody watching Trump's economic speech in Detroit? He's doing pretty well.
Protestors being led out every few minutes or so and he's maintaining his cool. Obviously this timing tactic is meant to distract but he's been calm and on point.
Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (hgBpU)
I really like what are you saying on taxes no estate tax and childcare being th like what are you saying on taxes no estate tax and childcare being tax deductible.
Protestors being led out every few minutes or so and he's maintaining his cool. Obviously this timing tactic is meant to distract but he's been calm and on point.
Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (hgBpU)
I really like what are you saying on taxes no estate tax and childcare being th like what are you saying on taxes no estate tax and childcare being tax deductible.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (dKiJG)
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Trump in Detroit just now:
"I am proposing an across the board income tax reduction especially for middle income Americans."
...
"All tax policies should be geared towards keeping wealth in the United States"
"I am proposing an across the board income tax reduction especially for middle income Americans."
...
"All tax policies should be geared towards keeping wealth in the United States"
Posted by: Azathoth at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (DRWGY)
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I really don't see many conservatives falling for the Libertarian ticket this time around.
Posted by: Maritime
You mean conservatives won't go for ending religious freedom and gun-grabbing?
Posted by: Maritime
You mean conservatives won't go for ending religious freedom and gun-grabbing?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (UPYhp)
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Hey, Bernette. How is everyone treating you here? Has anyone told you to F Off yet? That's a rite of initiation so don't take it personally once it happens to you. IIRC, you have to get 3 FU's in your first month to qualify for the Platinum Membership.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (6IPEM)
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Whatever Trump demands he could get.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (KhJh8)
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225 Jill Stein could get 10% by simply stating "I don't cackle or drool"
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Or by running up some steps. 6 will do.
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Or by running up some steps. 6 will do.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (7lVbc)
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I'm running for POTUS????
Posted by: Evan Mcmullen at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (lnki2)
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Remembering JFK's "Ask not..." and thinking about the SJWs on a tear with Hillary's blessing and promises of more free shit, I'm thinking boy, did that message ever get mixed-up, trashed and torn to shreds. What an unfunny joke it all is.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (CFc5L)
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Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (TfoPg)
Umm, yes there is such a thing as nationalism. It is not just about "enforcing the laws". It is about emphasizing the American way of doing things, American traditions, American values, even if another way might be better in another sense. That is why protectionism is so alluring. It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Umm, yes there is such a thing as nationalism. It is not just about "enforcing the laws". It is about emphasizing the American way of doing things, American traditions, American values, even if another way might be better in another sense. That is why protectionism is so alluring. It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2016 12:51 PM (uAvJJ)
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Republicans are out there thinking Trump is supported by "Whites who feel left behind both culturally and economically."
I keep hearing variants of this phrase over and over.
Republicans heard this from the Leftist Narrative and, of course, they believe it!
Stupid, stupid Republicans. They killed the the party, not the base.
Republicans are out there thinking Trump is supported by "Whites who feel left behind both culturally and economically."
I keep hearing variants of this phrase over and over.
Republicans heard this from the Leftist Narrative and, of course, they believe it!
Stupid, stupid Republicans. They killed the the party, not the base.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:51 PM (TfoPg)
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IIRC, you have to get 3 FU's in your first month to qualify for the Platinum Membership.
So that's why I've never been above cardboard level.
So that's why I've never been above cardboard level.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (T/cxb)
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President Barack Obama says hes being forced out of the Oval Office, not quitting, as he faces the end of his presidency.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zp+j1)
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"No, but there will be coffee and scones served at our first meeting. Valu-rite and pants optional of course."
Sweet.
I'll wear pants and I'll take some of that booze.
Sweet.
I'll wear pants and I'll take some of that booze.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (cKiti)
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questions...
Are those that are #NeverTrump happy with this? Will you be casting a ballot for McMuffin?
Or, does this chafe you as it does me (not a #NT guy, but not I don't own a Make America Great hat) and actually possibly swing in the direction of voting for Trump instead of abstaining or voting for the Liberaciism candidate?
Posted by: ajmojo at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (1H9ox)
If this kind of shit doesn't make you ready to join forces with Trump to keep Hillary out of office I honestly don't know what else could. CIA, UN, Goldman Sachs. Constant war, accelerated destruction of the US economy, and no more borders. That's what the establishment in both parties wants.
Are those that are #NeverTrump happy with this? Will you be casting a ballot for McMuffin?
Or, does this chafe you as it does me (not a #NT guy, but not I don't own a Make America Great hat) and actually possibly swing in the direction of voting for Trump instead of abstaining or voting for the Liberaciism candidate?
Posted by: ajmojo at August 08, 2016 12:39 PM (1H9ox)
If this kind of shit doesn't make you ready to join forces with Trump to keep Hillary out of office I honestly don't know what else could. CIA, UN, Goldman Sachs. Constant war, accelerated destruction of the US economy, and no more borders. That's what the establishment in both parties wants.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (S6rOh)
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242 Whatever Trump demands he could get.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (KhJh
He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (KhJh
He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (SRKgf)
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The more I see the "NewHorde" type, the more Libertarian I become.
-Minus abortions and borders. You know... the Constitution.
The rest of you can come join my Tea Party. I can only promise beer and burgers.
-Minus abortions and borders. You know... the Constitution.
The rest of you can come join my Tea Party. I can only promise beer and burgers.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:53 PM (6gk0M)
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IIRC, you have to get 3 FU's in your first month to qualify for the Platinum Plutonium Membership.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:53 PM (SRKgf)
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Posted by: Vote Nehlen - Dump Ryan at August 08, 2016 12:46 PM (YDkm4)
Ryan's district is what, R+5?
If he wins, vote for the democrat. Might be enough to tip the balance.
Ryan's district is what, R+5?
If he wins, vote for the democrat. Might be enough to tip the balance.
Posted by: Cooldawg at August 08, 2016 12:53 PM (TxM3A)
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It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Okay, Professor Economics of Open Borders, Cheap Labor, and Unfettered World Trade Agreements.
Jeff, the 1% are screwing you and all you can say is May I Have Another.
It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Okay, Professor Economics of Open Borders, Cheap Labor, and Unfettered World Trade Agreements.
Jeff, the 1% are screwing you and all you can say is May I Have Another.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:53 PM (TfoPg)
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Trump is giving his speech and someone in the office said, He keeps throwing people out of the place! That's all he does. I said you mean the people who are screaming and yelling at him and purposely disrupting him and security is removing? And he was going around the office telling people that Trump was throwing people out. Like he was randomly selecting and having them thrown out.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (493sH)
Plus, he punched a baby in the dick!
Trump is giving his speech and someone in the office said, He keeps throwing people out of the place! That's all he does. I said you mean the people who are screaming and yelling at him and purposely disrupting him and security is removing? And he was going around the office telling people that Trump was throwing people out. Like he was randomly selecting and having them thrown out.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:49 PM (493sH)
Plus, he punched a baby in the dick!
Posted by: josephistan at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (7HtZB)
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The factions in the GOP are simply between the status quo guys and the change guys.
People talking about principles and such are, for the most part, being duped.
People talking about principles and such are, for the most part, being duped.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (7lVbc)
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The Left is always against "Nationalism". It's a dirty word to them, and they throw any and everything at it to make it seem foolish. Even things that haver nothing what so ever to do with Nationalism.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (zp+j1)
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That witch will have hercorpse stuffed and mounted and hire a ventriloquist, if that's what it takes.
Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (OGbEB)
Hillary ain't only ever been mounted but oncet.
Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2016 12:24 PM (OGbEB)
Hillary ain't only ever been mounted but oncet.
Posted by: Webb Hubbell at August 08, 2016 12:55 PM (f3Uae)
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The GOPe already shit the bed, and now is asking us to check out a snazzy new bow tie?
Posted by: wooga at August 08, 2016 12:55 PM (5urXt)
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242 Whatever Trump demands he could get.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (KhJh
Oh hell yes. Stein is a little farther left than I am even, but she has been excellent in her attacks on Hillary. She's smart, attractive, and can think on her feet.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 12:44 PM (hvf9s)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2016 12:50 PM (KhJh
Oh hell yes. Stein is a little farther left than I am even, but she has been excellent in her attacks on Hillary. She's smart, attractive, and can think on her feet.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (S6rOh)
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Umm, yes there is such a thing as nationalism. It is not just about "enforcing the laws". It is about emphasizing the American way of doing things, American traditions, American values, even if another way might be better in another sense.
I believe that's called "patriotism," and the American way of doing things, American traditions, and American values built the most successful country in human history, so "other ways" need to - and should need to - pass a pretty high bar to get serious consideration.
I believe that's called "patriotism," and the American way of doing things, American traditions, and American values built the most successful country in human history, so "other ways" need to - and should need to - pass a pretty high bar to get serious consideration.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (SRKgf)
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President Barack Obama says hes being forced out of the Oval Office, not quitting, as he faces the end of his presidency.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zp+j1)
We need more stories about kids crying when they find out Barry won't be prezzy for life.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zp+j1)
We need more stories about kids crying when they find out Barry won't be prezzy for life.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (493sH)
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That is why protectionism is so alluring. It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Posted by: chemjeff
It's an "opportunity cost". You pass up on one thing to obtain another--in this case, you see preserving your nation/culture/what have you as being worth making a bit less GDP in trade. It's only stupid if you're about maximizing economic profits.
Never assume that someone whose values and priorities differ from your own are stupid. It's apples to oranges.
Posted by: chemjeff
It's an "opportunity cost". You pass up on one thing to obtain another--in this case, you see preserving your nation/culture/what have you as being worth making a bit less GDP in trade. It's only stupid if you're about maximizing economic profits.
Never assume that someone whose values and priorities differ from your own are stupid. It's apples to oranges.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (9krrF)
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Plus, he punched a baby in the dick!
Posted by: josephistan at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (7HtZB)
I got punched in the dick as a baby.
(at least that's what I say when it's cold out)
Posted by: josephistan at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (7HtZB)
I got punched in the dick as a baby.
(at least that's what I say when it's cold out)
Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (Zs4uk)
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259 The Left is always against "Nationalism". It's a dirty word to them, and they throw any and everything at it to make it seem foolish. Even things that haver nothing what so ever to do with Nationalism.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (zp+j1)
As befits "international socialists."
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:54 PM (zp+j1)
As befits "international socialists."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (SRKgf)
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The Left is against nations.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (7lVbc)
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Trump is giving his speech...
If he's learned anything since becoming the nominee, it's to smile and wait while protesters are removed. No more the "kick them out into the snowdrifts, keep their coats, and eat their offspring" stuff...
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Trump is giving his speech...
If he's learned anything since becoming the nominee, it's to smile and wait while protesters are removed. No more the "kick them out into the snowdrifts, keep their coats, and eat their offspring" stuff...
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (Bdeb0)
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Never assume that someone whose values and priorities differ from your own are stupid. It's apples to oranges.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (9krrF)
I like grapes!
Never assume that someone whose values and priorities differ from your own are stupid. It's apples to oranges.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (9krrF)
I like grapes!
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (7HtZB)
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Can't these people even see that they birthed Trump by ignoring their base?
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Let's suppose you got promoted to VP of some do nothing division at work.
You don't have to work very hard, generating results is discouraged, and the pay is really, really good.
After years of being in this position, you hear the stock holders are agitating for a new CEO that will clean house of all the do nothing VPs and their dead weight.
Do you recognize you have to find a way to generate value and completely change how you've worked for more then a decade? Or do you try your damnedest to isolate the stock holders and their chosen CEO pick?
Sadly, this is simple self interest by the GOPe
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Let's suppose you got promoted to VP of some do nothing division at work.
You don't have to work very hard, generating results is discouraged, and the pay is really, really good.
After years of being in this position, you hear the stock holders are agitating for a new CEO that will clean house of all the do nothing VPs and their dead weight.
Do you recognize you have to find a way to generate value and completely change how you've worked for more then a decade? Or do you try your damnedest to isolate the stock holders and their chosen CEO pick?
Sadly, this is simple self interest by the GOPe
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (X7E8f)
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I believe that's called "patriotism,"
Exactly. But that makes people feel bad today. So they must label it with a negative moniker.
I believe that's called "patriotism,"
Exactly. But that makes people feel bad today. So they must label it with a negative moniker.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (TfoPg)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (Xv6Y5)
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Jill Stein could get 10% by simply stating "I don't cackle or drool"
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Jill Stein could get 20% by saying "I will actually do all the crazy lib stuff i am saying right now, as opposed to the Democrat candidate grown wealthy on political graft. Plus I won't actually start a major war by doing crazy overseas stuff to win 5 points in the polls and then denying it when Putin deploys the tanks and bombers."
Jill Stein could get 10% by simply stating "I don't cackle or drool"
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Jill Stein could get 20% by saying "I will actually do all the crazy lib stuff i am saying right now, as opposed to the Democrat candidate grown wealthy on political graft. Plus I won't actually start a major war by doing crazy overseas stuff to win 5 points in the polls and then denying it when Putin deploys the tanks and bombers."
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (ry4ab)
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Speaking of shit, Turd rowing is on.
Posted by: buzzion at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (bMG0w)
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-Minus abortions and borders. You know... the Constitution.
The rest of you can come join my Tea Party. I can only promise beer and burgers.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:53
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You had me at minus abortions and borders, but what kind beer?
The rest of you can come join my Tea Party. I can only promise beer and burgers.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:53
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You had me at minus abortions and borders, but what kind beer?
Posted by: L, Elle at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (6IPEM)
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As befits "international socialists."
Posted by: Jay Guevara
They kinda got stung by the "national" version.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
They kinda got stung by the "national" version.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (9krrF)
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No more the "kick them out into the snowdrifts, keep their coats, and eat their offspring" stuff...
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (Bdeb0)
I miss that. Media spoils everything fun.
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (Bdeb0)
I miss that. Media spoils everything fun.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (7lVbc)
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Never assume that someone whose values and priorities differ from your own are stupid. It's apples to oranges.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13
I said something like that a while back, but nobody listens to me anymore.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13
I said something like that a while back, but nobody listens to me anymore.
Posted by: Sun Tzu at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (UPYhp)
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That is not a bad idea. Trump should demand the Green and Libertarian candidates get to speak. If Hillary refuses, just have Trump debate on his own the Greens and Libs. Either way Trump keeps his hardcore supporters, and gives TV time to those who hurt Hillary more than Trump. Plus it makes Hillary look like she is scared and weak.
Posted by: William Eaton
Its an interesting strategy, I'm just afraid that the MSM will cast it has "Trump ducks debate".
I honestly believe though if Trump could get all of them to debate, he'd easily win the election as there's easily a 45% of people I don't see defecting from Trump and really do believe immigration is the #1 issue.
Posted by: William Eaton
Its an interesting strategy, I'm just afraid that the MSM will cast it has "Trump ducks debate".
I honestly believe though if Trump could get all of them to debate, he'd easily win the election as there's easily a 45% of people I don't see defecting from Trump and really do believe immigration is the #1 issue.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (bb6Hh)
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Nationalism, my ass.
It's about not getting our asses handed to us by our "leaders" who treat us like serfs.
Nationalism, my ass.
It's about not getting our asses handed to us by our "leaders" who treat us like serfs.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (TfoPg)
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That is why protectionism is so alluring. It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Posted by: chemjeff
I think a scenario you've overlooked is threatening protectionism to induce other countries to negotiate seriously and in good faith on deals that manifestly disfavor us. Without that threat at least implied, those countries have no incentive to play ball.
Posted by: chemjeff
I think a scenario you've overlooked is threatening protectionism to induce other countries to negotiate seriously and in good faith on deals that manifestly disfavor us. Without that threat at least implied, those countries have no incentive to play ball.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:59 PM (SRKgf)
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I believe that's called "patriotism,"
Exactly. But that makes people feel bad today. So they must label it with a negative moniker.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (TfoPg)
A story as old as time by the Left and the RINO Establishment
Exactly. But that makes people feel bad today. So they must label it with a negative moniker.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (TfoPg)
A story as old as time by the Left and the RINO Establishment
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:59 PM (zp+j1)
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At least chemjeff is consistent. Moo Moo was the same, only with more exotic vitriol.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 12:59 PM (6gk0M)
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No more the "kick them out into the snowdrifts, keep their coats, and eat their offspring" stuff...
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (Bdeb0)
I miss that. Media spoils everything fun.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (7lVbc)
Don't worry we are all thinking it. LOL
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 12:57 PM (Bdeb0)
I miss that. Media spoils everything fun.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (7lVbc)
Don't worry we are all thinking it. LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (zp+j1)
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This "Socialists" (everything from Commies to 'crats) VS. "Nationalists" ( actually Facism to Repubs) game has been played since the days of Stalin.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (P6sPH)
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277 As befits "international socialists."
Posted by: Jay Guevara
They kinda got stung by the "national" version.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (9krrF)
Yep. The common denominator being "socialism."
Posted by: Jay Guevara
They kinda got stung by the "national" version.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (9krrF)
Yep. The common denominator being "socialism."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (SRKgf)
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Sadly, this is simple self interest by the GOPe
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (X7E8f)
Yup.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (X7E8f)
Yup.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (7lVbc)
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Instead of pulling this crap now, these establishment republicans should have been pressuring Kasich and Rubio to drop out before they have the nomination to Trump. They were so worried about Cruz that they gave the nom to Trump, now they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary the presidency all so they can save their little club.
Posted by: Rbastid at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (yxZ54)
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Well I hope that this move works just as well as when Anderson ran to keep that dangerous Hollywood cowboy who was going to get us into nuclear war with the USSR out of the WH.
Trump is not at all my idea of the next Reagan, but I am all for ANYONE who threatens to wrest some power away from the WS/uniparty cartel.
Trump is not at all my idea of the next Reagan, but I am all for ANYONE who threatens to wrest some power away from the WS/uniparty cartel.
Posted by: PaleRider at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (Jen0I)
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I second everything lizlem said.
And I'll add
To me dem vs rep battle is a carryover from the old protestant vs Catholic debate. Wherein democrats are like Catholics that it's all settled doctrine even if you dont like it. Where as with Republican protestant all doctrine is in the table and if you care for something you have to push for it.
I preface this to say that Mormons aren't s natural fit for either group as we are top down established doctrine organization yet heretical to the old institutions. Mormons have longed to declare independence from these two trump offs perceived as a gaudu fake tan casino owner with the lesbian eastern bloc wife. Ie fairly foreugn to us culturally.
Keep in mind bill Clinton came in third behind bush 41 and perot. So no love of Clinton's here. But demographics have changed drastically since then.
And I'll add
To me dem vs rep battle is a carryover from the old protestant vs Catholic debate. Wherein democrats are like Catholics that it's all settled doctrine even if you dont like it. Where as with Republican protestant all doctrine is in the table and if you care for something you have to push for it.
I preface this to say that Mormons aren't s natural fit for either group as we are top down established doctrine organization yet heretical to the old institutions. Mormons have longed to declare independence from these two trump offs perceived as a gaudu fake tan casino owner with the lesbian eastern bloc wife. Ie fairly foreugn to us culturally.
Keep in mind bill Clinton came in third behind bush 41 and perot. So no love of Clinton's here. But demographics have changed drastically since then.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (G7wcY)
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Tyranny, open borders and weed!
These are the things that America needs!
These are the things that America needs!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at August 08, 2016 01:00 PM (0mRoj)
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"He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates"
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
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"You had me at minus abortions and borders, but what kind beer?"
-Posted by: L, Elle at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (6IPEM)
Lager, mainly. But I have a soft-spot for ales.Call ahead. Let me know... LOL.
-Posted by: L, Elle at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (6IPEM)
Lager, mainly. But I have a soft-spot for ales.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (6gk0M)
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264 President Barack Obama says hes being forced out of the Oval Office, not quitting, as he faces the end of his presidency.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zp+j1)
We need more stories about kids crying when they find out Barry won't be prezzy for life.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (493sH)
But don't worry kids, the GOPe will ensure Hillary wins, and her first act will be to name Obama to the Supreme Court for life!
These asshats are so wrapped up in their ideological purity, they're blind to the consequences of actually losing.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zp+j1)
We need more stories about kids crying when they find out Barry won't be prezzy for life.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 12:56 PM (493sH)
But don't worry kids, the GOPe will ensure Hillary wins, and her first act will be to name Obama to the Supreme Court for life!
These asshats are so wrapped up in their ideological purity, they're blind to the consequences of actually losing.
Posted by: Iblis at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (yFk0p)
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Umm, yes there is such a thing as nationalism. It is not just about "enforcing the laws". It is about emphasizing the American way of doing things, American traditions, American values, even if another way might be better in another sense. That is why protectionism is so alluring. It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Riddle me this batman:
Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
Riddle me this batman:
Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (kPMrr)
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They can't even fathom that not all trade deals are good for the USA.
It never occurred to these free-market-world-traders that sometimes the deal is not worth it. Nope, we must support ALL trade deals because trade deals are all good by definition!
They can't even fathom that not all trade deals are good for the USA.
It never occurred to these free-market-world-traders that sometimes the deal is not worth it. Nope, we must support ALL trade deals because trade deals are all good by definition!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (TfoPg)
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The Left actually discourages American patriotism while simultaneously encouraging the patriotism of immigrants toward their home countries. It's truly sickening.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (P6sPH)
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Remembering JFK's "Ask not..." and thinking about the SJWs on a tear
with Hillary's blessing and promises of more free shit, I'm thinking
boy, did that message ever get mixed-up, trashed and torn to shreds.
What an unfunny joke it all is.
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JFK: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for you country.
LBJ: Ask what we can do for you, and you can have it.
Bill: We have new shiny menus!
Obama: If it's not on the menu we will make it for you anyway! the wife recommends kale salad though.
Hillary: You'll take what we give you and be grateful, peon.
Remembering JFK's "Ask not..." and thinking about the SJWs on a tear
with Hillary's blessing and promises of more free shit, I'm thinking
boy, did that message ever get mixed-up, trashed and torn to shreds.
What an unfunny joke it all is.
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JFK: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for you country.
LBJ: Ask what we can do for you, and you can have it.
Bill: We have new shiny menus!
Obama: If it's not on the menu we will make it for you anyway! the wife recommends kale salad though.
Hillary: You'll take what we give you and be grateful, peon.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (ry4ab)
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>>I miss that. Media spoils everything fun. Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:58 PM (7lVbc)
You just watch. Before it's all over, his neckties won't be too long, his coif will be tidy, and his wife will be hosting a canning and preserving blog.
You just watch. Before it's all over, his neckties won't be too long, his coif will be tidy, and his wife will be hosting a canning and preserving blog.
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (Bdeb0)
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I think a scenario you've overlooked is threatening protectionism to induce other countries to negotiate seriously and in good faith on deals that manifestly disfavor us.
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Interestingly, this is one area where businessman Trump seems to get it...
This reminds my of his argument in regards to examining whether NATO still works.
It still boggles my mind that after 9/11 the US got almost no help out of NATO.
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Interestingly, this is one area where businessman Trump seems to get it...
This reminds my of his argument in regards to examining whether NATO still works.
It still boggles my mind that after 9/11 the US got almost no help out of NATO.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (X7E8f)
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Trump: big on controlling immigration and building a wall, wins over all the GOPe can throw at him
GOPe: We need more immigration, who can we find to run to oppose Trump?
GOPe: We need more immigration, who can we find to run to oppose Trump?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (39g3+)
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>>It's an "opportunity cost". You pass up on one thing to obtain another--in this case, you see preserving your nation/culture/what have you as being worth making a bit less GDP in trade. It's only stupid if you're about maximizing economic profits.
That's not really true. The problem with protectionism is that it is designed to help a certain segment of society but the costs are born by all of society in the form of fewer jobs and higher prices.
That's not really true. The problem with protectionism is that it is designed to help a certain segment of society but the costs are born by all of society in the form of fewer jobs and higher prices.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm waiting for Hillary to literally fall apart like Sam Lowry's mother in "Brazil."
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (0mRoj)
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Wilson diagnosis the Trump problem. His solution? Outreach to the Latino community.
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Amnesty will solve everything!
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Amnesty will solve everything!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (Nwg0u)
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293 "He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates"
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
Random jump scares during debate.
No personal.SS allowed on stage.
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
Random jump scares during debate.
No personal.SS allowed on stage.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (7lVbc)
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What, Jeb was busy or something?
Posted by: Jay In Ames at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (i2Lsf)
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He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (SRKgf)
**
Hehehe.....ISWYDT.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 12:52 PM (SRKgf)
**
Hehehe.....ISWYDT.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (NpXoL)
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Bad idea. This was always a bad idea, but the time for it to be serious passed along time ago.
Unless Trump became seriously ill or flaked out and withdrew there should be no more talk of replacing him or running someone else.
His candidacy is a very risky experiment. It needs to succeed or fail on his own merits and the strengths of his campaign. Period.
Unless Trump became seriously ill or flaked out and withdrew there should be no more talk of replacing him or running someone else.
His candidacy is a very risky experiment. It needs to succeed or fail on his own merits and the strengths of his campaign. Period.
Posted by: Jill v2 at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (wcqwk)
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Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
We're bad people whose imperialistic economic colonialism is the cause of all wars and trouble worldwide.
We're bad people whose imperialistic economic colonialism is the cause of all wars and trouble worldwide.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (39g3+)
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You just need to accept the fact that it's over. Hillary is the next President. She was elected the moment Trump became the nominee.
The only hope now is to somehow get Trump to drop out and let Pence run in his place. Otherwise you're praying for a miracle scandal to drop on Hillary one week before the election.
The only hope now is to somehow get Trump to drop out and let Pence run in his place. Otherwise you're praying for a miracle scandal to drop on Hillary one week before the election.
Posted by: JT at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (CZaQB)
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George P. Bush has endorsed Trump. But it isn't a "full-throated" endorsement according to the media.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (P6sPH)
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I think a scenario you've overlooked is threatening protectionism to induce other countries to negotiate seriously and in good faith on deals that manifestly disfavor us. Without that threat at least implied, those countries have no incentive to play ball.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Exactly, but many "free traders" are fine with these shitty deals we're getting.
Me? I'd like to see a change in our entire tax structure, like maybe cutting tax rates here on companies and individuals and swapping it with higher tariffs.
Somehow, for about the first 150 years, our federal government was almost completely funded by tariffs alone and no income tax.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Exactly, but many "free traders" are fine with these shitty deals we're getting.
Me? I'd like to see a change in our entire tax structure, like maybe cutting tax rates here on companies and individuals and swapping it with higher tariffs.
Somehow, for about the first 150 years, our federal government was almost completely funded by tariffs alone and no income tax.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (bb6Hh)
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What about me?
Posted by: Grassroot Nationalist at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (KvWlw)
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Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (kPMrr)
That's not who we are.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (kPMrr)
That's not who we are.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: General Zod at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (Bdeb0)
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So... question: Who's the RINO now, Trump or Romney?
Posted by: spd at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (+fXXA)
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I was hoping Trump would continue his scorched earth campaign thru the primaries against Hillary. I guess he thought he would still get positive press after the nomination. Some huge opportunities in the last month against the ever corrupt bitch.
I suppose he can still do it during Sept and Oct, but it doesn't appear now he is going to spend any money at all.
I was hoping Trump would continue his scorched earth campaign thru the primaries against Hillary. I guess he thought he would still get positive press after the nomination. Some huge opportunities in the last month against the ever corrupt bitch.
I suppose he can still do it during Sept and Oct, but it doesn't appear now he is going to spend any money at all.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (ODxAs)
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isn't mcmullen a form of weasel. stupdid fuckin repukes.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (KP5rU)
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Nood wobbly hillary
Nood wobbly hillary
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (TfoPg)
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George P. Bush has endorsed Trump. But it isn't a "full-throated" endorsement according to the media.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (P6sPH)
Barry: I've given more "full-throated" endorsements to guys at Man's Country than I can count
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:04 PM (P6sPH)
Barry: I've given more "full-throated" endorsements to guys at Man's Country than I can count
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (493sH)
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Riddle me this batman:
Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (kPMrr)
The best example of that is France. The French always whine about how America looks out for American interests (as if!), while no country on earth is sharper elbowed in looking for its interests than France, birthplace of chauvinism.
Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (kPMrr)
The best example of that is France. The French always whine about how America looks out for American interests (as if!), while no country on earth is sharper elbowed in looking for its interests than France, birthplace of chauvinism.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (SRKgf)
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Why ?
Why go through the trouble of running an Establishment Republican candidate ... if he/she can't win and the Establishment Democrat is already way out in front ?
I can think of one obvious answer ...
Why go through the trouble of running an Establishment Republican candidate ... if he/she can't win and the Establishment Democrat is already way out in front ?
I can think of one obvious answer ...
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (nw6G5)
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Most Democrat women gave--or would have given --a "full-throated" endorsement to Bill Clinton if asked.....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (P6sPH)
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Win or lose - the GOP as we know it is dead. And that is a good thing (TM).
Current GOP is utterly useless in cutting a single dime from the budget. The budget is the SINGLE thing all conservatives agree on.
The poorly named TEA party gave a good shot a few years a go but failed in removing the insiders.
What the conservative tent looks like next year is unknown, but it will be very different
Current GOP is utterly useless in cutting a single dime from the budget. The budget is the SINGLE thing all conservatives agree on.
The poorly named TEA party gave a good shot a few years a go but failed in removing the insiders.
What the conservative tent looks like next year is unknown, but it will be very different
Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (0CKeS)
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I said something like that a while back, but nobody listens to me anymore.
Posted by: Sun Tzu
Have you considered writing a book?
Posted by: Sun Tzu
Have you considered writing a book?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (T/cxb)
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President Barack Obama says hes being forced out of the Oval Office, not quitting, as he faces the end of his presidency.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
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If Obama had been in history class and not stoned, he could have learned about Marius, Sulla, and the Triumvirates. But somehow I think he would have sympathized with the strongmen....
President Barack Obama says hes being forced out of the Oval Office, not quitting, as he faces the end of his presidency.
Breitbart
That Damn pesky Constitution
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If Obama had been in history class and not stoned, he could have learned about Marius, Sulla, and the Triumvirates. But somehow I think he would have sympathized with the strongmen....
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 01:05 PM (ry4ab)
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The Left actually discourages American patriotism while simultaneously encouraging the patriotism of immigrants toward their home countries. It's truly sickening.
Posted by: JoeF.
That's a good point that should be made more often.
Posted by: JoeF.
That's a good point that should be made more often.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:06 PM (bb6Hh)
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"You just need to accept the fact that it's over. Hillary is the next President. She was elected the moment Trump became the nominee."
Trump will run circles around Hillary and her mormon pet.
Trump will run circles around Hillary and her mormon pet.
Posted by: Drider at August 08, 2016 01:06 PM (bdzyz)
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NOOD!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 08, 2016 01:06 PM (6gk0M)
Posted by: The Turkey Baster at August 08, 2016 01:06 PM (BrQrN)
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306 293 "He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates"
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
Random jump scares during debate.
No personal.SS allowed on stage.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (7lVbc)
SENATOR CLINTON: And that is my position.
MODERATOR: Thank you, Senator Clinton. Mr. Trump?
MR. TRUMP: My position has been clear since the beginning: SQUIRREL!
MODERATOR: Senator Clinton, are you all right?
SENATOR CLINTON: [Breathing rapidly] Fine.
MODERATOR: Continue, Mr. Trump.
MR. TRUMP: Thank you. Also, I think Senator Clinton needs to realize that GUN!
SENATOR CLINTON: [Grabs chest]
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
Random jump scares during debate.
No personal.SS allowed on stage.
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (7lVbc)
SENATOR CLINTON: And that is my position.
MODERATOR: Thank you, Senator Clinton. Mr. Trump?
MR. TRUMP: My position has been clear since the beginning: SQUIRREL!
MODERATOR: Senator Clinton, are you all right?
SENATOR CLINTON: [Breathing rapidly] Fine.
MODERATOR: Continue, Mr. Trump.
MR. TRUMP: Thank you. Also, I think Senator Clinton needs to realize that GUN!
SENATOR CLINTON: [Grabs chest]
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 08, 2016 01:06 PM (RD7QR)
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All of the "free market open borders no barriers to movement" people make me think of the definition of an economist, someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
There is a value to having a national consciousness, an esprit de corps that includes those inside and excludes those on the outside.
That extra payoff for those at the top of the economic scale thanks to a lack of protection, is coming out of the pockets of those at the bottom who never get a chance to get out of their situation b/c there's no way to compete against the poor in the 3rd world in wages/bennies.
There is a value to having a national consciousness, an esprit de corps that includes those inside and excludes those on the outside.
That extra payoff for those at the top of the economic scale thanks to a lack of protection, is coming out of the pockets of those at the bottom who never get a chance to get out of their situation b/c there's no way to compete against the poor in the 3rd world in wages/bennies.
Posted by: Boots at August 08, 2016 01:07 PM (EBwPV)
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Interestingly, this is one area where businessman Trump seems to get it...
This reminds my of his argument in regards to examining whether NATO still works.
It still boggles my mind that after 9/11 the US got almost no help out of NATO.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (X7E8f)
NATO is always there when they need us.
This reminds my of his argument in regards to examining whether NATO still works.
It still boggles my mind that after 9/11 the US got almost no help out of NATO.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (X7E8f)
NATO is always there when they need us.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 08, 2016 01:07 PM (SRKgf)
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independent conservative. is that like a functioning addict?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 08, 2016 01:07 PM (KP5rU)
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The problem with protectionism is that it is designed to help a certain segment of society but the costs are born by all of society in the form of fewer jobs and higher prices.
And, ultimately, it ends up hurting the industry its supposed to protect, because the overall economy gets better with freer trade.
The answer to American jobs being lost or moving overseas is to cut back regulation, crush unions, and reduce costs overall for businesses here. If it costs too much to do business, no trade policy is going to fix that and subsidies are a waste.
And, ultimately, it ends up hurting the industry its supposed to protect, because the overall economy gets better with freer trade.
The answer to American jobs being lost or moving overseas is to cut back regulation, crush unions, and reduce costs overall for businesses here. If it costs too much to do business, no trade policy is going to fix that and subsidies are a waste.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:07 PM (39g3+)
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It speaks to a "pro-America" sentiment even though it is economically stupid.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2016 12:51 PM (uAvJJ)
Is it though? I mean, yeah, nationalism is economically inefficient and in a perfect world free trade and open borders makes sense. Problem is we don't live in a perfect world, and with certain nations cheating, tariffs on US products, and unlimited immigration to the detriment of US citizens, I've had to reevaluate what I believe on this.
I mean, that is my main knock on Communism: sure it works on paper, but real life isn't paper. Same here.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2016 12:51 PM (uAvJJ)
Is it though? I mean, yeah, nationalism is economically inefficient and in a perfect world free trade and open borders makes sense. Problem is we don't live in a perfect world, and with certain nations cheating, tariffs on US products, and unlimited immigration to the detriment of US citizens, I've had to reevaluate what I believe on this.
I mean, that is my main knock on Communism: sure it works on paper, but real life isn't paper. Same here.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (t06LC)
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"If he wins, vote for the democrat."
Yes, definitely, but let's get Nehlen elected so we don't have to go there.
Yes, definitely, but let's get Nehlen elected so we don't have to go there.
Posted by: Vote Nehlen - Dump Ryan at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (YDkm4)
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The gope reaction to the very idea of holding their nose in an election shows just how one sided our relationship has been.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (G7wcY)
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What's his position on turf grass?
Posted by: Hroniss Grasu the Cripple at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (3b9U4)
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"independent conservative. is that like a functioning addict?"
More like a zombie. Utterly devoid of common sense and logic. It only lives to eat brains, which unfortunately. Does not help said zombie to grow one.
More like a zombie. Utterly devoid of common sense and logic. It only lives to eat brains, which unfortunately. Does not help said zombie to grow one.
Posted by: Drider at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (bdzyz)
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Well, it's a stupid plan doomed to failure.
He can't even be on the ballot in more than maybe half the states.
But I don't see it making a difference.
Hillary solidly takes DE, IL, NY, WA, CA, VT, MA, RI, MD, DC, HI.
That's 3 + 20 + 29 + 12 + 55 + 3 + 11 + 4 + 10 + 3 + 4 = 154
I'd call CT, MN, NJ, OR, VA more solid than leaning.
7 + 10 + 14 + 7 + 13 = 51 Or net 205.
She takes CO, NM, PA, NH, and ME in all likelihood.
9 + 5 + 20 |+ 4 + 3 = 41 That puts her at 246.
WI + MI add 26 going to = 272.
It's a race to 270...
So Trump has to take one of those states back to even have a chance.
And I don't see the state on that list that Trump carries over Hillary.
WI or MI are probably his best chances; and they're longshots to be fair.
And this is assuming FL (29) goes his way; which is iffy at best.
So, losing UT or not?
It won't matter.
If Trump pullls off a big enough miracle to take NV, OH, FL (plus his leaners for 265) and then takes either WI or MI? Then he's not losing Utah.
If he doesn't take ALL of those; losing UT or not is just a question of:
"How big did Trump lose" not "Did Trump lose".
He can't even be on the ballot in more than maybe half the states.
But I don't see it making a difference.
Hillary solidly takes DE, IL, NY, WA, CA, VT, MA, RI, MD, DC, HI.
That's 3 + 20 + 29 + 12 + 55 + 3 + 11 + 4 + 10 + 3 + 4 = 154
I'd call CT, MN, NJ, OR, VA more solid than leaning.
7 + 10 + 14 + 7 + 13 = 51 Or net 205.
She takes CO, NM, PA, NH, and ME in all likelihood.
9 + 5 + 20 |+ 4 + 3 = 41 That puts her at 246.
WI + MI add 26 going to = 272.
It's a race to 270...
So Trump has to take one of those states back to even have a chance.
And I don't see the state on that list that Trump carries over Hillary.
WI or MI are probably his best chances; and they're longshots to be fair.
And this is assuming FL (29) goes his way; which is iffy at best.
So, losing UT or not?
It won't matter.
If Trump pullls off a big enough miracle to take NV, OH, FL (plus his leaners for 265) and then takes either WI or MI? Then he's not losing Utah.
If he doesn't take ALL of those; losing UT or not is just a question of:
"How big did Trump lose" not "Did Trump lose".
Posted by: gekkobear at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (2iR3c)
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329 "You just need to accept the fact that it's over. Hillary is the next President. She was elected the moment Trump became the nominee."
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I know its just trolling, but considering that last Reuters poll has this within 2 points and a few weeks ago several polls had Trump leading solidly, how on Earth can you write it off so confidently?
There were several candidates like Ted Cruz that I thought would fare poorly as the GOP nominee, but I wouldn't be writing them off if they were polling within the margin of error.
__________
I know its just trolling, but considering that last Reuters poll has this within 2 points and a few weeks ago several polls had Trump leading solidly, how on Earth can you write it off so confidently?
There were several candidates like Ted Cruz that I thought would fare poorly as the GOP nominee, but I wouldn't be writing them off if they were polling within the margin of error.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (bb6Hh)
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While a tax cut for the middle class sounds good, in reality the middle class doesn't pay a hell of a lot of taxes.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
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You mean FASCIST.
They're not left wing nuts. These people are vicious and committed FASCISTS.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (TfoPg)
Fascism is a movement of the Left. I should know, I wrote the book on it.
They're not left wing nuts. These people are vicious and committed FASCISTS.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:40 PM (TfoPg)
Fascism is a movement of the Left. I should know, I wrote the book on it.
Posted by: zombie Mussolini at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (f3Uae)
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Zero and his cohorts want to destroy the USA and that explains any trade deals they make.
They do no want us to prosper they want to bring us down to the level of the rest of the world.
They do no want us to prosper they want to bring us down to the level of the rest of the world.
Posted by: Grassroot Nationalist at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (KvWlw)
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All of the "free market open borders no barriers to movement" people make me think of the definition of an economist, someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
I thought that was the definition of a cynic.
I thought that was the definition of a cynic.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (t06LC)
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344 While a tax cut for the middle class sounds good, in reality the middle class doesn't pay a hell of a lot of taxes.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
You GFY on that one. I pay a shit ton.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
You GFY on that one. I pay a shit ton.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:11 PM (t06LC)
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I don't think a spoiler candidate like this Establishment clown will do anything, but I will say the last 4 elections have been in that 3-5 point range.
That's closer than many people realize, 1.5% points flipping from one major candidate to the other can mean a different President.
That's closer than many people realize, 1.5% points flipping from one major candidate to the other can mean a different President.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:12 PM (bb6Hh)
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I know its just trolling, but considering that last Reuters poll has this within 2 points and a few weeks ago several polls had Trump leading solidly, how on Earth can you write it off so confidently?
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (bb6Hh)
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Reuters is an outlier. There will always be one or two polls that are out there. The LA Times one is another one that was showing the race tied-ish and that one too has started to show a move towards Hillary.
Can we for once not do the "polls are lying" thing? Or the "every poll shows X, but this one poll shows Y, therefore Y has to be correct" thing?
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:09 PM (bb6Hh)
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Reuters is an outlier. There will always be one or two polls that are out there. The LA Times one is another one that was showing the race tied-ish and that one too has started to show a move towards Hillary.
Can we for once not do the "polls are lying" thing? Or the "every poll shows X, but this one poll shows Y, therefore Y has to be correct" thing?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:12 PM (Cu/XA)
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"I know its just trolling, but considering that last Reuters poll has this within 2 points and a few weeks ago several polls had Trump leading solidly, how on Earth can you write it off so confidently? "
He can say it because it's a tag line for the Democratic Underground types.
Just repeat it and hope that at some point Hillary will be able to snap out of her daze and be able to climb 5 steps on her own.
He can say it because it's a tag line for the Democratic Underground types.
Just repeat it and hope that at some point Hillary will be able to snap out of her daze and be able to climb 5 steps on her own.
Posted by: Drider at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (bdzyz)
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348 344 While a tax cut for the middle class sounds good, in reality the middle class doesn't pay a hell of a lot of taxes.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
You GFY on that one. I pay a shit ton.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:11 PM (t06LC)
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Then you are not middle class.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
You GFY on that one. I pay a shit ton.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:11 PM (t06LC)
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Then you are not middle class.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (Cu/XA)
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No, patriotism is different than nationalism.
Patriotism is a general feeling of pride in one's own country, but does not necessarily contain any policy objectives. Nationalism is a set of policy ideas that are justified by patriotic motives.
Patriotism is a general feeling of pride in one's own country, but does not necessarily contain any policy objectives. Nationalism is a set of policy ideas that are justified by patriotic motives.
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (Cb76r)
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Also i am pro fair trade with the West. No questions asked trade ie forcing us workers to compete with third world post communist slaves??? Stop acting like it's the same thing.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (G7wcY)
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Why is it ok for every country in the world to look out for themselves, and put themselves first, but us?
Because we're the most evil country that's ever exist. The USA invented racism, slavery, starvation, pestilence, the oppression of wimmins, and diaper rash.
Because we're the most evil country that's ever exist. The USA invented racism, slavery, starvation, pestilence, the oppression of wimmins, and diaper rash.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (uiH3d)
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Reuters is an outlier. There will always be one or two polls that are out there. The LA Times one is another one that was showing the race tied-ish and that one too has started to show a move towards Hillary.
Can we for once not do the "polls are lying" thing? Or the "every poll shows X, but this one poll shows Y, therefore Y has to be correct" thing?
Posted by: #neverskankle
Reuters has consistently been an outlier that favors Hillary, so if they have been showing a race within the margin of error now, I think its still a jump ball.
Can we for once not do the "polls are lying" thing? Or the "every poll shows X, but this one poll shows Y, therefore Y has to be correct" thing?
Posted by: #neverskankle
Reuters has consistently been an outlier that favors Hillary, so if they have been showing a race within the margin of error now, I think its still a jump ball.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:14 PM (bb6Hh)
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"He should demand that the stage be at the top of a flight of stairs, and that TV cover the entrance of the candidates"
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
Random jump scares during debate.
No personal.SS allowed on stage.
Posted by: at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (7lVbc)
Seizure inducing strobes.
Obstacle course to get to the podium.
Posted by: f'd at August 08, 2016 01:01 PM (KvWlw)
Random jump scares during debate.
No personal.SS allowed on stage.
Posted by: at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (7lVbc)
Seizure inducing strobes.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2016 01:15 PM (P/kVC)
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Reuters has consistently been an outlier that favors Hillary, so if they have been showing a race within the margin of error now, I think its still a jump ball.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:14 PM (bb6Hh)
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I'm just saying when 9 polls show Huge Hillary lead and Reuters shows a small Hillary lead, chances are the 9 are right and the 1 is wrong, and not vice versa.
Reuters has consistently been an outlier that favors Hillary, so if they have been showing a race within the margin of error now, I think its still a jump ball.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:14 PM (bb6Hh)
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I'm just saying when 9 polls show Huge Hillary lead and Reuters shows a small Hillary lead, chances are the 9 are right and the 1 is wrong, and not vice versa.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:15 PM (Cu/XA)
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311
You just need to accept the fact that it's over. Hillary is the next
President. She was elected the moment Trump became the nominee.
The
only hope now is to somehow get Trump to drop out and let Pence run in
his place. Otherwise you're praying for a miracle scandal to drop on
Hillary one week before the election.
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Oh look, the troll is here. Hey dumbass, Trump is STILL the nominee, he is STILL running against Her Thighness, and the GOPe idiots behind this stance are STILL backstabbing douchebags.
You just need to accept the fact that it's over. Hillary is the next
President. She was elected the moment Trump became the nominee.
The
only hope now is to somehow get Trump to drop out and let Pence run in
his place. Otherwise you're praying for a miracle scandal to drop on
Hillary one week before the election.
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Oh look, the troll is here. Hey dumbass, Trump is STILL the nominee, he is STILL running against Her Thighness, and the GOPe idiots behind this stance are STILL backstabbing douchebags.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 01:15 PM (ry4ab)
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chemjeff, The Federalist is a bunch of cocksuckers.
There are no "nationalists" unless you define people who want the laws on the books, you know, enforced, as Nationalists.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (TfoPg)
Obviously not chemjeff, but it's a pretty good food for thought article describing what the word "conservative" means to different groups in the party, and how the divisions can find no agreement to band together as they have in the past. We can never go back to the Reaganism ideals, they were killed off years ago.
There are no "nationalists" unless you define people who want the laws on the books, you know, enforced, as Nationalists.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 08, 2016 12:47 PM (TfoPg)
Obviously not chemjeff, but it's a pretty good food for thought article describing what the word "conservative" means to different groups in the party, and how the divisions can find no agreement to band together as they have in the past. We can never go back to the Reaganism ideals, they were killed off years ago.
Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2016 01:16 PM (hgBpU)
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Also i am pro fair trade with the West. No questions asked trade ie forcing us workers to compete with third world post communist slaves??? Stop acting like it's the same thing.
Posted by: Shiggz
Agreed.
And why is a Cuban trade embargo over human rights the most conservative thing EVER!!!
But anything less than complete free trade with Communist China that's basically been making millions of women get abortions for the last 50 years , has gulags full of political prisoners and threatens our military on a regular basis is considered Big Government Socialism
Posted by: Shiggz
Agreed.
And why is a Cuban trade embargo over human rights the most conservative thing EVER!!!
But anything less than complete free trade with Communist China that's basically been making millions of women get abortions for the last 50 years , has gulags full of political prisoners and threatens our military on a regular basis is considered Big Government Socialism
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:16 PM (bb6Hh)
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I'm just saying when 9 polls show Huge Hillary lead and Reuters shows a small Hillary lead, chances are the 9 are right and the 1 is wrong, and not vice versa.
Posted by: #neverskankles
Please list these 9 national polls showing Hillary with a "huge" lead.
Thanks troll.
Posted by: #neverskankles
Please list these 9 national polls showing Hillary with a "huge" lead.
Thanks troll.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:17 PM (bb6Hh)
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As mentioned above, I don't think Trump quite understood what he was getting into once he became the nominee. He's a very well known personality, and as a member of the entertainment elite I'm sure he thought he would get much better press coverage than the average Republican.
IMO, if Trump can't win this thing it cannot be won and the anti-freedom party will accelerate their lawlessness and complete disregard of the constitution. None of the candidates that Trump trumped would be doing as well as he is right now, if that were possible one of those 16 would be the current candidate.
Posted by: Boots at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (EBwPV)
All the original candidates I loved and wanted to be our next pres were the first out. That winnowed down to Cruz and Rubio for me. rubio killed himself with the amnesty crap and Trump wounded him with the little Marco bit.
I would gladly have voted for Cruz. But the MSM would have painted him as some sort of religious snake handler Christian what wants to take away abortion and all your freebies, and that would have been all you hear till election day. He does not have enough personality to fight back vs the MSM, no matter how brilliant and conservative he is. I think he would have lost vs the MSM narrative not Hillary herself.
Trump is the only candidate that can battle the media in equal terms. We will see if he has learned any lessons from this past week: as Ace has said in the past, he punched down vs. Khan. Punch up or equal with Hillary and keep doing that till election day, he might, MIGHT pull it off.
Gahhhhhhhhh, SMOD save us oh merciful one from our own undoing.
IMO, if Trump can't win this thing it cannot be won and the anti-freedom party will accelerate their lawlessness and complete disregard of the constitution. None of the candidates that Trump trumped would be doing as well as he is right now, if that were possible one of those 16 would be the current candidate.
Posted by: Boots at August 08, 2016 12:48 PM (EBwPV)
All the original candidates I loved and wanted to be our next pres were the first out. That winnowed down to Cruz and Rubio for me. rubio killed himself with the amnesty crap and Trump wounded him with the little Marco bit.
I would gladly have voted for Cruz. But the MSM would have painted him as some sort of religious snake handler Christian what wants to take away abortion and all your freebies, and that would have been all you hear till election day. He does not have enough personality to fight back vs the MSM, no matter how brilliant and conservative he is. I think he would have lost vs the MSM narrative not Hillary herself.
Trump is the only candidate that can battle the media in equal terms. We will see if he has learned any lessons from this past week: as Ace has said in the past, he punched down vs. Khan. Punch up or equal with Hillary and keep doing that till election day, he might, MIGHT pull it off.
Gahhhhhhhhh, SMOD save us oh merciful one from our own undoing.
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 01:18 PM (hvf9s)
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Please list these 9 national polls showing Hillary with a "huge" lead.
Thanks troll.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:17 PM (bb6Hh)
___
FFS.
Thanks troll.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:17 PM (bb6Hh)
___
FFS.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:18 PM (Cu/XA)
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Egg McMuffin for President?
That's outrageous!
I demand a low-carb high-fat alternative!
Bacon McButter 2016!
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:25 PM (7lVbc)
Yes! THIS^^^^^^
That's exactly what I'm talking about!
That's outrageous!
I demand a low-carb high-fat alternative!
Bacon McButter 2016!
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2016 12:25 PM (7lVbc)
Yes! THIS^^^^^^
That's exactly what I'm talking about!
Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2016 01:19 PM (0cMkb)
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Regarding polls, who here at AoSHQ even answers the phone if caller ID shows it's a pollster?
Nobody here in chez boots does. And if one sneaks by with a phony ID, they get hung up on.
It wouldn't be prudent to admit voting for Trump.
Nobody here in chez boots does. And if one sneaks by with a phony ID, they get hung up on.
It wouldn't be prudent to admit voting for Trump.
Posted by: Boots at August 08, 2016 01:19 PM (EBwPV)
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358
Reuters has consistently been an outlier that favors Hillary, so if
they have been showing a race within the margin of error now, I think
its still a jump ball.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:14 PM (bb6Hh)
___
I'm just saying when 9 polls show Huge Hillary lead and Reuters
shows a small Hillary lead, chances are the 9 are right and the 1 is
wrong, and not vice versa.
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It is also possible that one poll made it past the editor and 9 polls are still leftist-slanted agitprop.
Reuters has consistently been an outlier that favors Hillary, so if
they have been showing a race within the margin of error now, I think
its still a jump ball.
Posted by: Maritime at August 08, 2016 01:14 PM (bb6Hh)
___
I'm just saying when 9 polls show Huge Hillary lead and Reuters
shows a small Hillary lead, chances are the 9 are right and the 1 is
wrong, and not vice versa.
-----------
It is also possible that one poll made it past the editor and 9 polls are still leftist-slanted agitprop.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 08, 2016 01:20 PM (ry4ab)
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304 I'm waiting for Hillary to literally fall apart like Sam Lowry's mother in "Brazil."
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (0mRoj)
Ha! This is one of Mrs. Muse's favorite movies. I relayed this comment to her and after laughing her ass off she said, "I hope they're not attacking Hillary because of the way she looks" and I said "no, Trump is going after her because of her long history of corruption incompetency. The ones who are making fun of Hillary's looks are jackasses like us morons who hang out on AoSHQ."
Posted by: Insomniac at August 08, 2016 01:02 PM (0mRoj)
Ha! This is one of Mrs. Muse's favorite movies. I relayed this comment to her and after laughing her ass off she said, "I hope they're not attacking Hillary because of the way she looks" and I said "no, Trump is going after her because of her long history of corruption incompetency. The ones who are making fun of Hillary's looks are jackasses like us morons who hang out on AoSHQ."
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 08, 2016 01:20 PM (uiH3d)
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Federalist about this.
http://tinyurl.com/z7kx94p
Basically, the gist of the article is, there are three factions among conservatives:
The Nationalists, who care most about border security and protectionism, and for whom immigration is the overriding issue
The
Grassroots, who care most about social issues, and who tend to be
either indifferent or pragmatic on the issue of immigration
The Establishment, who care most about low taxes and economic growth, and who openly advocate for more immigration
Do the grassroots really care most about social issues though? Did having Peter Theil at the RNC infuriate the grass roots?
http://tinyurl.com/z7kx94p
Basically, the gist of the article is, there are three factions among conservatives:
The Nationalists, who care most about border security and protectionism, and for whom immigration is the overriding issue
The
Grassroots, who care most about social issues, and who tend to be
either indifferent or pragmatic on the issue of immigration
The Establishment, who care most about low taxes and economic growth, and who openly advocate for more immigration
Do the grassroots really care most about social issues though? Did having Peter Theil at the RNC infuriate the grass roots?
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 01:21 PM (S6rOh)
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We're bad people whose imperialistic economic colonialism is the cause of all wars and trouble worldwide.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (39g3+)
Brazil slaves bit at Olympics was no doubt a HUGE surprise to the SJW snowflakes. Only the US had slavery!!
*rolls eyes*
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:03 PM (39g3+)
Brazil slaves bit at Olympics was no doubt a HUGE surprise to the SJW snowflakes. Only the US had slavery!!
*rolls eyes*
Posted by: LizLem at August 08, 2016 01:23 PM (hvf9s)
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Honestly, the number of Mormons I known could be counted on one hand.
But, they didn't seem so tribally retarded that an obvious and cynical scheme like this would work.
But, hell, who knows?
Welcome to Crazyland!!!
But, they didn't seem so tribally retarded that an obvious and cynical scheme like this would work.
But, hell, who knows?
Welcome to Crazyland!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2016 01:24 PM (0cMkb)
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I'll say this. Trumps plan to coopt big labor is way more likely to budge the needle then the gope idea to pussy foot ther way into the Latino culture. Which has negative 10k% chance of succeeding.
Yes Bush got a respectable Hispanic % in 04. That was about homeland security and the left was obsessed with their 1960's antivietnam mindset which Hispanics don't relate with. But the left is now war whatever /shrug and hardcore affirmative action and free shit.
Yes Bush got a respectable Hispanic % in 04. That was about homeland security and the left was obsessed with their 1960's antivietnam mindset which Hispanics don't relate with. But the left is now war whatever /shrug and hardcore affirmative action and free shit.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 08, 2016 01:25 PM (G7wcY)
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Actually the three main conservative groups can be summed up as ,
Nationalists-- law and order, anti-ILLEGAL immigrant, mildly pro-legal immigrant, protectionism
Social Conservatives--morality, social-issues, strong defense, mildly pro-immigrant ( for possible converts)
Blue Bloods--low taxes, pro-business, pro-immigration, strong defense
Grassroots conservatives are drawn from all three.
Nationalists-- law and order, anti-ILLEGAL immigrant, mildly pro-legal immigrant, protectionism
Social Conservatives--morality, social-issues, strong defense, mildly pro-immigrant ( for possible converts)
Blue Bloods--low taxes, pro-business, pro-immigration, strong defense
Grassroots conservatives are drawn from all three.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2016 01:29 PM (P6sPH)
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The GOP is afraid to call my home for money, now. I made the last woman who called cry. I don't feel bad about it. They need to know they don't represent me and haven't sine Gingrich's 1994 Contract with America. That's the last time I was proud to be a Republican.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at August 08, 2016 01:30 PM (S2VsH)
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If I lived in Ryan's district, I would happily cast a vote for Nehlen.
But if Ryan prevails, I would vote for any Dimocrat because the GOPe richly deserves a swift kick in the nu,,,, oh wait. That wouldn't work....
Ok then, the GOPe deserves a hard jab to the face- right in the cock sucker!
But if Ryan prevails, I would vote for any Dimocrat because the GOPe richly deserves a swift kick in the nu,,,, oh wait. That wouldn't work....
Ok then, the GOPe deserves a hard jab to the face- right in the cock sucker!
Posted by: Cooldawg at August 08, 2016 01:33 PM (TxM3A)
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Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 01:21 PM (S6rOh)
I don't think social issues are that big of a deal at the federal level.
Many social conservatives want those problems solved in the correct manner and per our founding documents- at the state level.
I don't think social issues are that big of a deal at the federal level.
Many social conservatives want those problems solved in the correct manner and per our founding documents- at the state level.
Posted by: Cooldawg at August 08, 2016 01:37 PM (TxM3A)
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Yeah yeah, I know, the Holy Hill of Immigration upon which we must be sacrificed. I don't care about it. It doesn't impact me in a negative way. And I don't actually believe St. Michael Brown and Pajama Boy were really going to go get a job, but that Jose and Maria stopped them. Or, for that matter, Bubba Bumfuck, unemployed but proudly waving the Confederate flag. I think he likes to sit at home, not work, and when called out on that, blame immigrants, because that's a lot easier than, I dunno, improving one's skill set, making oneself more valuable, getting off the couch, etc.
Posted by: The Governor at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (Ib5sz)
You are remarkably clueless.
I am not worried about Pedro or Maria taking my job. I am worried about demographic changes which will make the Dem a permanent ruling party. It appears the GOPe doesn't care about that, not really, because they're fine playing second fiddle as long as they get their cheap labor and get to hang on to their phony-baloney jobs. And because they really are not opposed to the ever-growing welfare state - that's just horseshit for the Tea Party rubes.
Posted by: The Governor at August 08, 2016 12:42 PM (Ib5sz)
You are remarkably clueless.
I am not worried about Pedro or Maria taking my job. I am worried about demographic changes which will make the Dem a permanent ruling party. It appears the GOPe doesn't care about that, not really, because they're fine playing second fiddle as long as they get their cheap labor and get to hang on to their phony-baloney jobs. And because they really are not opposed to the ever-growing welfare state - that's just horseshit for the Tea Party rubes.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 08, 2016 01:38 PM (u0lmX)
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May Ryan go down. It will wipe that smug look off his face like when he and his bottom Barky reach "agreement" on something.
The NeverTrumpers will probably put $.5 Billion for Lex Luther in Utah alone, relying on the traditional analysis. Nothing traditional, however, works this year with Trump and it will do no more than place them on a long, informal enemy list.
The NeverTrumpers will probably put $.5 Billion for Lex Luther in Utah alone, relying on the traditional analysis. Nothing traditional, however, works this year with Trump and it will do no more than place them on a long, informal enemy list.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 08, 2016 01:39 PM (g1MTt)
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They were so worried about Cruz that they gave the nom to Trump, now
they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary
the presidency all so they can save their little club.
***
Yep. The argument that Trump is to unpolished, and not ideological conservative that we need something else was rather answered when the GOPe decided not to rally behind the polished conservative candidate that was his last real competitor.
they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary
the presidency all so they can save their little club.
***
Yep. The argument that Trump is to unpolished, and not ideological conservative that we need something else was rather answered when the GOPe decided not to rally behind the polished conservative candidate that was his last real competitor.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 01:42 PM (X7E8f)
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"I know its just trolling, but considering that last Reuters poll has
this within 2 points and a few weeks ago several polls had Trump leading
solidly, how on Earth can you write it off so confidently?"
It's not trolling. Trump has never been leading solidly. When the largest scandal of Hillary's career dropped on her head like a freaking anvil, and it was after the Republican Convention but before the Democrat one, Trump managed a very, very narrow lead.
That is disastrous. That was the perfect scenario for him. The PERFECT scenario. Something that will never actually happen on election day because both parties always get their convention. And he brought it up to a coin flip.
And now that the Democrat's had their convention, he's down by an average of seven percent again. Like he has been for most of this race.
But no, I'm sure the peerless political genius, Donald Trump, will turn it all around instead of messing things up even further.
Trump supporters voted for probably the single worst presidential nominee in history. And now we're going to lose to Hillary Fucking Clinton of all people.
this within 2 points and a few weeks ago several polls had Trump leading
solidly, how on Earth can you write it off so confidently?"
It's not trolling. Trump has never been leading solidly. When the largest scandal of Hillary's career dropped on her head like a freaking anvil, and it was after the Republican Convention but before the Democrat one, Trump managed a very, very narrow lead.
That is disastrous. That was the perfect scenario for him. The PERFECT scenario. Something that will never actually happen on election day because both parties always get their convention. And he brought it up to a coin flip.
And now that the Democrat's had their convention, he's down by an average of seven percent again. Like he has been for most of this race.
But no, I'm sure the peerless political genius, Donald Trump, will turn it all around instead of messing things up even further.
Trump supporters voted for probably the single worst presidential nominee in history. And now we're going to lose to Hillary Fucking Clinton of all people.
Posted by: JT at August 08, 2016 01:44 PM (CZaQB)
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So McMullin is anti-genocide but is pro choice. Huh. It's like no one can be bothered with SoCons in even rhetorical degrees anymore.
Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at August 08, 2016 01:53 PM (YJJZG)
382
Let me get this straight. Trump caves and endorses Paul Ryan on Friday and then Paul returns the favor by releasing his chief policy guy to run against Trump as an independent?
Posted by: Kyle Smith at August 08, 2016 01:57 PM (yBWAd)
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"free trade" is a misnomer anyway, as all countries are mostly mercantilist, and there are always details in the individual deals. We have leaned toward "free trade" at our expense, obviously, given the huge deficits that indeed do matter.
"Protectionist" is what most countries do, it is just a matter of how they structure their deals. It protects only certain trades maybe, but is still smarter than putting those people out of work. The ideal that they will get even better jobs magically is just magical thinking.
And as others said, "free trade" with enemies means we build them up to kill us. How is that an ultimate good of free trade?
This link is a rebuttal to the overstated "comparative advantage" ability to solve all ills by dropping all trade barriers, even unilaterally.
http://tinyurl.com/29xguz6
"Protectionist" is what most countries do, it is just a matter of how they structure their deals. It protects only certain trades maybe, but is still smarter than putting those people out of work. The ideal that they will get even better jobs magically is just magical thinking.
And as others said, "free trade" with enemies means we build them up to kill us. How is that an ultimate good of free trade?
This link is a rebuttal to the overstated "comparative advantage" ability to solve all ills by dropping all trade barriers, even unilaterally.
http://tinyurl.com/29xguz6
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2016 01:59 PM (l6e0e)
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Like a fungus, these self appointed arbitors of what is "principled" just refuse to go away. I didn't get the memo that they were in charge of determining what exactly is acceptable or "conservative."
I am an ex-democrat. The Democratic Party no longer represents me. I looked to the republicans but they didn't protect me from the democrats, they seemed to promote the same progressive democratic policies that the people don't want. The people want a voice and trump is it.
I don't care how or what you label trump or his policies. It doesn't matter. Didn't mitt Romney self label as a 'severe conservative?" It's laughable.
From my vantage point, if trump
Secures the border
Implements e-verify
Reforms the current visa system
Fixes the trade deals
Fixes the VA
Brings back law and order
And appoints conservative judges.......
You can label him anything you want, that's what I'm looking for and Hillary will do the opposite.
I am an ex-democrat. The Democratic Party no longer represents me. I looked to the republicans but they didn't protect me from the democrats, they seemed to promote the same progressive democratic policies that the people don't want. The people want a voice and trump is it.
I don't care how or what you label trump or his policies. It doesn't matter. Didn't mitt Romney self label as a 'severe conservative?" It's laughable.
From my vantage point, if trump
Secures the border
Implements e-verify
Reforms the current visa system
Fixes the trade deals
Fixes the VA
Brings back law and order
And appoints conservative judges.......
You can label him anything you want, that's what I'm looking for and Hillary will do the opposite.
Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at August 08, 2016 02:05 PM (KZdWP)
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"Is that what this is about? Some of our party simply defecting to the Democrat Party while still pretending to be Republicans?"
Ahem. There is only one party. Those not in the Uniparty are few and far between. . .
Ahem. There is only one party. Those not in the Uniparty are few and far between. . .
Posted by: simplemind at August 08, 2016 02:05 PM (JTwsP)
386
For those of you that forget ... no less than St. Reagan was protectionist. See Harley Davidson.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 08, 2016 02:07 PM (nw6G5)
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What I find odd is the motivations for these alternative conservative candidates. Trump's one position that is at odds with typical Republicans is trade, yet the establishment seems more concerned about Trump's lack of a neocon foreign policy.
Look, we tried in Iraq, and it didn't work. The culture over there is just too far gone. It's hopeless. Americans, and even most Republicans, simply want to be left alone by the Arab Muslim world and certainly aren't willing to spend money and lives fighting over there. Just quarantine the SOBs. Seems to be Trump's position, too. And this seems to be his biggest problem with much of the Establishment. It's weird.
Look, we tried in Iraq, and it didn't work. The culture over there is just too far gone. It's hopeless. Americans, and even most Republicans, simply want to be left alone by the Arab Muslim world and certainly aren't willing to spend money and lives fighting over there. Just quarantine the SOBs. Seems to be Trump's position, too. And this seems to be his biggest problem with much of the Establishment. It's weird.
Posted by: Maxwell at August 08, 2016 02:10 PM (n6tqt)
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right scoggDog ... and he fought the chip dumping.
"Free Trade" could be called protectionist for the globalists. What has not been accounted for is all the debt we piled up, the new found military strength of our enemies, the profits that are held overseas, the tech stolen, currency manipulations, enslaved foreign workers, massive pollution abroad, etc.
Even if all the regulations and taxes in America were for the "greater good", they have a cost from which the globalists, multi-nationals are protected. But they sell freely back into our alleged little perfect world without cost for those "ideal world" burdens our elite lay on US.
"Free Trade" could be called protectionist for the globalists. What has not been accounted for is all the debt we piled up, the new found military strength of our enemies, the profits that are held overseas, the tech stolen, currency manipulations, enslaved foreign workers, massive pollution abroad, etc.
Even if all the regulations and taxes in America were for the "greater good", they have a cost from which the globalists, multi-nationals are protected. But they sell freely back into our alleged little perfect world without cost for those "ideal world" burdens our elite lay on US.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2016 02:15 PM (l6e0e)
389
"The
only hope now is to somehow get Trump to drop out and let Pence run in
his place."
Never going to happen. Trump has been obsessive and self- promotional about "winners" and "fighters", well, since forever, when he actually was married to someone named Ivana.
I think he is going to stubbornly do it his way, all the way through, and will likely double down if seriously challenged. The idea of the guy whose entire self image is based on the concepts of of Surviving At The Top, Never Give Up, Think Big and Kick Ass, ad infintum will not go quietly into the night.
"The
only hope now is to somehow get Trump to drop out and let Pence run in
his place."
Never going to happen. Trump has been obsessive and self- promotional about "winners" and "fighters", well, since forever, when he actually was married to someone named Ivana.
I think he is going to stubbornly do it his way, all the way through, and will likely double down if seriously challenged. The idea of the guy whose entire self image is based on the concepts of of Surviving At The Top, Never Give Up, Think Big and Kick Ass, ad infintum will not go quietly into the night.
Posted by: RM at August 08, 2016 02:16 PM (U3LtS)
390
Finally a hill to die on.
Posted by: at at at at at August 08, 2016 02:17 PM (YtW5B)
391
They were so worried about Cruz that they gave the nom to Trump, now
they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary
the presidency all so they can save their little club.
***
Yep. The argument that Trump is to unpolished, and not ideological conservative that we need something else was rather answered when the GOPe decided not to rally behind the polished conservative candidate that was his last real competitor.
**************************************
++
they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary
the presidency all so they can save their little club.
***
Yep. The argument that Trump is to unpolished, and not ideological conservative that we need something else was rather answered when the GOPe decided not to rally behind the polished conservative candidate that was his last real competitor.
**************************************
++
Posted by: RM at August 08, 2016 02:19 PM (U3LtS)
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In 2010-12, the GOP had a chance to invigorate and grow itself by welcoming the Tea Party into the "big tent," but they chose to make the tent smaller.
In 2016 they had a chance to solidify half of their base, the working class that had been abandoned by the Democrats at the national level, and maybe even grow that base by making it attractive to more refugees from the Democrats. Instead, they chose to insult and reject those people knocking at teh door to come in.
The GOP as now constituted deserves to die, and it will. The husk will remain because in many States there is a vast preference for 2 parties to get on the ballot, but in 2018 and maybe 2020 the GOP will be a minor party--bigger than the Libertarians but definitely second tier.
By 2022 or 2024 it may have started to reconstitute itself as a largely new entity, keeping the name and ballot access, but otherwise barely identifiable as the party it was in 2012.
And conservatism as we have known it will be dead, dead, dead, the Democrats will have killed it off, along with a good part of our constitution.
In 2016 they had a chance to solidify half of their base, the working class that had been abandoned by the Democrats at the national level, and maybe even grow that base by making it attractive to more refugees from the Democrats. Instead, they chose to insult and reject those people knocking at teh door to come in.
The GOP as now constituted deserves to die, and it will. The husk will remain because in many States there is a vast preference for 2 parties to get on the ballot, but in 2018 and maybe 2020 the GOP will be a minor party--bigger than the Libertarians but definitely second tier.
By 2022 or 2024 it may have started to reconstitute itself as a largely new entity, keeping the name and ballot access, but otherwise barely identifiable as the party it was in 2012.
And conservatism as we have known it will be dead, dead, dead, the Democrats will have killed it off, along with a good part of our constitution.
Posted by: mhj at August 08, 2016 02:23 PM (FZdvr)
393
When I worked I was college educated and white collar (but I did work hard). Now I am a grumpy old white guy. Guess that makes me no collar now. Voting Trump.
Posted by: lynndh at August 08, 2016 02:25 PM (DaWUf)
394
Ace, it might be time to take a breath and wonder if, now that it's apparently risen to the point it deserves actual capitalization, "The Establishment" might serve the same psychological role as "The Illuminati".
There's a lot to dislike about politics qua politics, and one has to be careful (and I mean that - the mind can be insidious) to avoid fabricating a mythological entity for the purpose of projecting onto it that which is objectionable. It's the kind of (at best) loose thinking that lead to movements like Occupy Wall Street, Bern Victimization, and of course Trumpism.
There are career politicians, but more and more, when I hear "The Establishment" I just hear noise.
There's a lot to dislike about politics qua politics, and one has to be careful (and I mean that - the mind can be insidious) to avoid fabricating a mythological entity for the purpose of projecting onto it that which is objectionable. It's the kind of (at best) loose thinking that lead to movements like Occupy Wall Street, Bern Victimization, and of course Trumpism.
There are career politicians, but more and more, when I hear "The Establishment" I just hear noise.
Posted by: Blacklake at August 08, 2016 02:27 PM (b9GlI)
395
Trump supporters voted for probably the single worst
presidential nominee in history. And now we're going to lose to Hillary
Fucking Clinton of all people.
News Flash: Absolutely NO ONE outside of the GOPe's donor class wanted President Jeb Bush. He would have lost in a landslide, as Trump probably will. And he was the only other real choice being rammed down our throats (never forget that the GOPe wanted Trump over Cruz, and would have burned it all down before letting Cruz have the nomination).
presidential nominee in history. And now we're going to lose to Hillary
Fucking Clinton of all people.
News Flash: Absolutely NO ONE outside of the GOPe's donor class wanted President Jeb Bush. He would have lost in a landslide, as Trump probably will. And he was the only other real choice being rammed down our throats (never forget that the GOPe wanted Trump over Cruz, and would have burned it all down before letting Cruz have the nomination).
Posted by: Rusty Nail at August 08, 2016 02:36 PM (S2VsH)
396
I hope Evan McGroober speaks genuine frontier gibberish!
Posted by: Afroman at August 08, 2016 02:40 PM (cP2Xe)
397
336 The problem with protectionism is that it is designed to help a certain segment of society but the costs are born by all of society in the form of fewer jobs and higher prices.
And, ultimately, it ends up hurting the industry its supposed to protect, because the overall economy gets better with freer trade.
The answer to American jobs being lost or moving overseas is to cut back regulation, crush unions, and reduce costs overall for businesses here. If it costs too much to do business, no trade policy is going to fix that and subsidies are a waste.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:07 PM (39g3+)
That will help us look more like China in terms of pollution and workers' rights.
And, ultimately, it ends up hurting the industry its supposed to protect, because the overall economy gets better with freer trade.
The answer to American jobs being lost or moving overseas is to cut back regulation, crush unions, and reduce costs overall for businesses here. If it costs too much to do business, no trade policy is going to fix that and subsidies are a waste.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2016 01:07 PM (39g3+)
That will help us look more like China in terms of pollution and workers' rights.
Posted by: Bernette at August 08, 2016 02:43 PM (S6rOh)
398
They were so worried about Cruz that they gave the nom to Trump, now
they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary
the presidency all so they can save their little club.
***
Yep.
The argument that Trump is to unpolished, and not ideological
conservative that we need something else was rather answered when the
GOPe decided not to rally behind the polished conservative candidate
that was his last real competit
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 01:42 PM (X7E8f)
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But, but, but . . . we have to get rid of those wackobirds.
But, but, but . . . an outsider/insider is better than one of those wackobirds -- as long as they endorse the uniparty.
they're crying and moaning and doing everything they can to give Hillary
the presidency all so they can save their little club.
***
Yep.
The argument that Trump is to unpolished, and not ideological
conservative that we need something else was rather answered when the
GOPe decided not to rally behind the polished conservative candidate
that was his last real competit
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2016 01:42 PM (X7E8f)
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But, but, but . . . we have to get rid of those wackobirds.
But, but, but . . . an outsider/insider is better than one of those wackobirds -- as long as they endorse the uniparty.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 08, 2016 02:44 PM (MIKMs)
399
I was just thinking the other day....Ya know who has too little power in America? GOLDMAN SACHS!
That is what we need, a Goldman Sachs man in the White House to FINALLY represent such a downtrodden faction of America.
LOL
Talk about fucking tone deaf.
That is what we need, a Goldman Sachs man in the White House to FINALLY represent such a downtrodden faction of America.
LOL
Talk about fucking tone deaf.
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at August 08, 2016 02:52 PM (NAv1Q)
400
"A Republic, if you can keep it." BaaaawHaaaawHaaaaw
Posted by: Ben Franklin at August 08, 2016 02:56 PM (vI+F1)
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"That will help us look more like China in terms of pollution and workers' rights. " Bernette
yes.
If we think our regs, taxes, society are for the good, why buy products that are cheaper because they break most of those principles?
In time that simply replaces our ideals with those we tax ourselves against. That concept that we are so much better that we can still out-compete them was flawed and is proven wrong.
We found plenty of globalists that will sell us out and profit off the abusive standards of the third world, thereby prolonging and growing them, as our little attempt at nirvana whithers.
(sure though, many regs/taxes could be reduced and are there for bureaucratic Marxist control and illicit revenue "rent seekers")
yes.
If we think our regs, taxes, society are for the good, why buy products that are cheaper because they break most of those principles?
In time that simply replaces our ideals with those we tax ourselves against. That concept that we are so much better that we can still out-compete them was flawed and is proven wrong.
We found plenty of globalists that will sell us out and profit off the abusive standards of the third world, thereby prolonging and growing them, as our little attempt at nirvana whithers.
(sure though, many regs/taxes could be reduced and are there for bureaucratic Marxist control and illicit revenue "rent seekers")
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2016 02:58 PM (l6e0e)
402
ace,
I thought I'd let you in on 'a dirty little secret' (as Rush might say).
If you REALLY want to chase off us Trump supporters from your website, all you have to do is regularly post how hopeless you think his candidacy is.
Point out the worst poll for Trump. Give your most 'incisive' analyses of how he is fundamentally doomed.
It's one thing to do such shit only several (say, five) weeks before voting day (if and only iff Trump happens to be down by 5+ points ON AVERAGE in the polls). In that case, we wouldn't specifically associate your website with undue pessimism and go elsewhere with our internet browsing time. Because the OBVIOUS bad fate would be everywhere.
But this early on - when the nasty Hilldabeast is still oh so clearly beatable - all you have to do is push the inappropriate meme that Trump is all but doomed. - Especially if you use polls and other statistics to back up such shit.
Then we will gladly move on and spend our time in other parts of the internet. (Like Instapundit which in general is far less focused in its approach to material than your website is.)
You may have absolutely no idea how unappealing it is for serious Trump supporters to click on your page only to read that there is virtually no chance that he will beat Hillary.
We would much rather go elsewhere. - And not just in terms of commenting. We don't want to read despairing ___SPECU-FUCKING-LATIONS___ on how the general election is already lost several months before election day.
Just say'n.
You really want us gone?
No problem.
Just push that shit. Over and over again.
We'll leave.
And when this election is over (WHATEVER THE RESULT), most of us will never come back. - As well will remember that you were secretly/subconciously cheering for Trump to lose. (Or - as you might put it - for the wicked Hillary to win.)
- Other excellent content be damned.
I thought I'd let you in on 'a dirty little secret' (as Rush might say).
If you REALLY want to chase off us Trump supporters from your website, all you have to do is regularly post how hopeless you think his candidacy is.
Point out the worst poll for Trump. Give your most 'incisive' analyses of how he is fundamentally doomed.
It's one thing to do such shit only several (say, five) weeks before voting day (if and only iff Trump happens to be down by 5+ points ON AVERAGE in the polls). In that case, we wouldn't specifically associate your website with undue pessimism and go elsewhere with our internet browsing time. Because the OBVIOUS bad fate would be everywhere.
But this early on - when the nasty Hilldabeast is still oh so clearly beatable - all you have to do is push the inappropriate meme that Trump is all but doomed. - Especially if you use polls and other statistics to back up such shit.
Then we will gladly move on and spend our time in other parts of the internet. (Like Instapundit which in general is far less focused in its approach to material than your website is.)
You may have absolutely no idea how unappealing it is for serious Trump supporters to click on your page only to read that there is virtually no chance that he will beat Hillary.
We would much rather go elsewhere. - And not just in terms of commenting. We don't want to read despairing ___SPECU-FUCKING-LATIONS___ on how the general election is already lost several months before election day.
Just say'n.
You really want us gone?
No problem.
Just push that shit. Over and over again.
We'll leave.
And when this election is over (WHATEVER THE RESULT), most of us will never come back. - As well will remember that you were secretly/subconciously cheering for Trump to lose. (Or - as you might put it - for the wicked Hillary to win.)
- Other excellent content be damned.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at August 08, 2016 03:08 PM (AhiRu)
403
For those of you that forget ... no less than St. Reagan was protectionist. See Harley Davidson.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 08, 2016 02:07 PM (nw6G5)
See Intel.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 08, 2016 02:07 PM (nw6G5)
See Intel.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 08, 2016 03:45 PM (Ee2nz)
404
#NeverMcMullen
Posted by: Zap Branigan at August 08, 2016 03:49 PM (pInIV)
405
IMO both be right
1. If you make 50k and pay even 5k on taxes that all comes of the top. After housinge and food cost where they are competing with a very large and growing # of welfare recipients really inflating prices at The bottom. E.g. ketchup you may shop one way but someone on ebt if they live with parents evpecially doesnt care If it's on saleor name brand.
2. If skankles is looking at combined state, fed, city, county, sales and income plus bigger prices from higher taxes when purchases.
352 348 344 While a tax cut for the middle class sounds good, in reality the middle class doesn't pay a hell of a lot of taxes.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
You GFY on that one. I pay a shit ton.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:11 PM (t06LC)
___
Then you are not middle class.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (Cu/XA)
1. If you make 50k and pay even 5k on taxes that all comes of the top. After housinge and food cost where they are competing with a very large and growing # of welfare recipients really inflating prices at The bottom. E.g. ketchup you may shop one way but someone on ebt if they live with parents evpecially doesnt care If it's on saleor name brand.
2. If skankles is looking at combined state, fed, city, county, sales and income plus bigger prices from higher taxes when purchases.
352 348 344 While a tax cut for the middle class sounds good, in reality the middle class doesn't pay a hell of a lot of taxes.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:10 PM (Cu/XA)
You GFY on that one. I pay a shit ton.
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 08, 2016 01:11 PM (t06LC)
___
Then you are not middle class.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 08, 2016 01:13 PM (Cu/XA)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 08, 2016 04:30 PM (G7wcY)
406
"How were we so easily beaten by a man with such serious and manifold flaws and inadequacies?" Because they thought Trump wasn't serious, Jeb! and Rubio would deliver the Latino vote via "pathway to citizenship," and Cruz was Lucifer himself.
Posted by: hurricane567 at August 08, 2016 05:21 PM (DzqXH)
407
Hate to break it to you Ace, but GOP already threw the election to Hillary by nominating the only candidate who can lose to her. Up by 8 points, and it's not going to go down. At this point, extra choices don't really change much.
Posted by: Steven S. at August 08, 2016 05:42 PM (JpEvT)
408
"Whatever happens, you will not be able to get this crew to back off a single one of their very unpopular positions. "
Everything is unpopular until it is SOLD. You have to SELL tax cuts.
Whining that the Right exists at all is pathetic. You put up a real stinker. Another goddam Republican beater Democrat kisser whose idea of unity is to declare the margin of victory can go to Hell because it dared to hesitate to kiss his ass.
Oh and please do reconcile putting down that "idealist/fantasist, we-had-to-rebuild-the-village-to-destroy-it nation-building super-hawk neocon foreign policy" with "cherishing every Gold Star family" considering we have an all volunteer military and have executed exactly 0 people for saying "Fuck this war, I want out."
Everything is unpopular until it is SOLD. You have to SELL tax cuts.
Whining that the Right exists at all is pathetic. You put up a real stinker. Another goddam Republican beater Democrat kisser whose idea of unity is to declare the margin of victory can go to Hell because it dared to hesitate to kiss his ass.
Oh and please do reconcile putting down that "idealist/fantasist, we-had-to-rebuild-the-village-to-destroy-it nation-building super-hawk neocon foreign policy" with "cherishing every Gold Star family" considering we have an all volunteer military and have executed exactly 0 people for saying "Fuck this war, I want out."
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 08, 2016 05:51 PM (L5HxJ)
409
YOUR party, idiot. Not MINE. I don't have to save it for you.
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 08, 2016 05:52 PM (L5HxJ)
410
"Then you are not middle class"
besides the 14% fica, and then property and sales tax, there is the suppressed wages "tax", and the ZIRP on savings tax, the inflated money tax, the coming fed and many states debt boondoggle tax, and all the taxes hidden in the actual cost of everything where the corporations pass on their taxes, the traffic light hidden camera ticket tax, ...
I'm probably missing some.
But at least computer tech is rather cheap ... so we can live without going out much, even if we are enriching the Chinese that may kill us, or the Middle East. oy ... the coming controls on our life might be considered a tax, given the forefathers that paid in blood for liberty. Live free or die.
besides the 14% fica, and then property and sales tax, there is the suppressed wages "tax", and the ZIRP on savings tax, the inflated money tax, the coming fed and many states debt boondoggle tax, and all the taxes hidden in the actual cost of everything where the corporations pass on their taxes, the traffic light hidden camera ticket tax, ...
I'm probably missing some.
But at least computer tech is rather cheap ... so we can live without going out much, even if we are enriching the Chinese that may kill us, or the Middle East. oy ... the coming controls on our life might be considered a tax, given the forefathers that paid in blood for liberty. Live free or die.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2016 05:55 PM (l6e0e)
411
Trump supporters voted for probably the single worst presidential nominee in history. And now we're going to lose to Hillary Fucking Clinton of all people.
Posted by: JT at August 08, 2016 01:44 PM (CZaQB)
And the establishment Repubs gave him their endorsements, so now it's Congress as well as the White House that is in peril.
Posted by: JT at August 08, 2016 01:44 PM (CZaQB)
And the establishment Repubs gave him their endorsements, so now it's Congress as well as the White House that is in peril.
Posted by: Blandly Attentive at August 08, 2016 06:52 PM (R7ooG)
412
"And they're super-duper ga-ga about running the same idealist/fantasist,
we-had-to-rebuild-the-village-to-destroy-it nation-building super-hawk
neocon foreign policy that the rest of America loves so much too."
In fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, no less!
This "we're going abroad just to break shit and spend money for some strange" line belongs to the Bernie and Bircher crowds.
It's sad to see it land here and particularly jarring to see people implicitly endorsing Obama's knee-jerk pessimism and broad contempt for maintaining unfettered access to the global commons (do you really think Iraq was only about "nation-building?" Come off it).
An engaged, leaning-to-interventionist United States has been more successful in the world, and generally a better guarantor of regional and global security, than a retrenched and diffident one.
Bush learned that lesson the hard way. Obama threw it out and nominated his short bus driver to shape relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran.
we-had-to-rebuild-the-village-to-destroy-it nation-building super-hawk
neocon foreign policy that the rest of America loves so much too."
In fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, no less!
This "we're going abroad just to break shit and spend money for some strange" line belongs to the Bernie and Bircher crowds.
It's sad to see it land here and particularly jarring to see people implicitly endorsing Obama's knee-jerk pessimism and broad contempt for maintaining unfettered access to the global commons (do you really think Iraq was only about "nation-building?" Come off it).
An engaged, leaning-to-interventionist United States has been more successful in the world, and generally a better guarantor of regional and global security, than a retrenched and diffident one.
Bush learned that lesson the hard way. Obama threw it out and nominated his short bus driver to shape relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Posted by: Sherlock McFagworthy at August 08, 2016 07:19 PM (iggco)
413
Maybe Trump can actually destroy the Republican Party. If I think that's even a remote possibility, I'll vote for him. God help us.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2016 08:40 PM (97XyN)
414
I can't decide if it's funny or sad that so many of you think 1) that Evan McMullen can throw the election and 2) that he is the creation of some nefarious, evil, behind the scenes GOP"establishment" faction. Really, you guys need to get out of mom's basement and get some fresh air.
Trump is going to lose this election due to Trump, and Trump ALONE! Almost every day Trump engages in an unforced error that convinces increasing numbers of people that he is simply unfit for office. His conspiracy theories, mean girl tweets, and social media flare ups over any perceived slights simply make him an unpalatable option for far too many people. Those actions are the fault of Trump, no one else.
You can rail all you want about the evil establishment and how the GOP should just die, but at the end of the day Trump will lose because he keeps saying and doing STUPID SHIT! The fact is the Libertarian ticket wouldn't be polling as high they are, and this McMullen guy wouldn't be in the race, if Trump wasn't busy shooting himself in both feet at the cyclical rate. Place the blame where it belongs, with Trump.
Trump is going to lose this election due to Trump, and Trump ALONE! Almost every day Trump engages in an unforced error that convinces increasing numbers of people that he is simply unfit for office. His conspiracy theories, mean girl tweets, and social media flare ups over any perceived slights simply make him an unpalatable option for far too many people. Those actions are the fault of Trump, no one else.
You can rail all you want about the evil establishment and how the GOP should just die, but at the end of the day Trump will lose because he keeps saying and doing STUPID SHIT! The fact is the Libertarian ticket wouldn't be polling as high they are, and this McMullen guy wouldn't be in the race, if Trump wasn't busy shooting himself in both feet at the cyclical rate. Place the blame where it belongs, with Trump.
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