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Did an Undercover FBI Agent Seems to Have Directly Encouraged Garland, TX Jihadist Shooter to Attack "Draw Mohammad" Rally
Is this actual standard FBI undercover protocol -- encouraging a jihadist to kill someone so you can arrest him?
I don't know. At this point, though, I'm ready to believe most anything. On the other hand: the undercover agent was posing as a jihadist himself. Obviously he's supposed to play Jihadist in his communications with this guy. If this guy is speaking vaguely of jihad, he's supposed to agree, right? Otherwise the guy would know he's not for real. So I don't know if this agent was doing something wrong. He does seem to have entirely misjudged how serious his jihadist contact was, and how imminent his plan was. But being wrong is not a crime. Except when Hillary Clinton becomes president.Days before an ISIS sympathizer attacked a cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, he received a text from an undercover FBI agent. “Tear up Texas,” the agent messaged Elton Simpson days before he opened fire at the the Draw Muhammad event, according to an affidavit filed in federal court Thursday. “U know what happened in Paris,” Simpson responded. “So that goes without saying… No need to be direct.” That revelation comes amidst a national debate about the use of undercover officers and human sources in terrorism cases. Undercover sources are used in more than half of ISIS-related terror cases, according to statistics kept by the George Washington University Program on Extremism, and civil liberties advocates say some of those charged might not have escalated their behavior without those interventions. “It would certainly be inappropriate for an FBI undercover agent or cooperating witness to provoke or inspire or urge a person to commit an act of violence,” Michael German, a former FBI agent now at the Brennan Center for Justice, told The Daily Beast. “I could imagine an undercover agent thinking it was just the hyperbolic rhetoric they are participating in, and it wasn’t an intent to go to texas and do harm.” ... According to the court papers, [the jihadist] asked the undercover officer about the Draw Muhammad event’s security, size, and police presence, during the event, according to an affidavit filed in court. The affidavit does not specify what the undercover responded to questions about size and security.Well... now we're getting into a very dark area. Why don't they specify what the undercover agent answered? Did he provide accurate details or false ones? What?
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Yeah, this is worrisome. IIRC I read yesterday that the administration or official whoevers refused to address this issue when directly asked by a reporter.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at August 05, 2016 11:02 AM (t5zYU)
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Yes. Or no, accordingly.
Yes. Or no, accordingly.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 05, 2016 11:04 AM (pC96u)
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How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:06 AM (1ZOkK)
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Latest Bullshit Poll has Hillary Clinton up by 10,000 points. Why doesn't he just drop out to the dumbest woman in the world.
Posted by: Anti-Mary Clogginstien Not From Vermont at August 05, 2016 11:06 AM (D8mtz)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 05, 2016 11:06 AM (/wm8n)
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Nothing surprises anymore. Left is right. Up is down.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:06 AM (p0f5T)
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some guy in charlotte was arrested yesterday in relation to this and providing material support to isis, etc.
Posted by: nckate at August 05, 2016 11:06 AM (QvwhC)
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The "I didn't think he would really do it!" defense?
Posted by: IP at August 05, 2016 11:07 AM (Fol9S)
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O/T ATL Journal/Constitution poll showing Hellary polling ahead of Trump 44% to 40% in Georgia.
Dammit.
Sorry for the O/T.
Dammit.
Sorry for the O/T.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:07 AM (1ZOkK)
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On the positive side, no dogs were shot in the making of this clusterfuck.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 05, 2016 11:07 AM (/wm8n)
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Is this actual standard FBI undercover protocol -- encouraging a jihadist to kill someone so you can arrest him?
How is that any different from supplying fake explosives to a jihadi to blow up a downtown Dallas office building and then arresting him?
How is that any different from supplying fake explosives to a jihadi to blow up a downtown Dallas office building and then arresting him?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:07 AM (AY/TT)
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The country's in the very best of hands.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 05, 2016 11:08 AM (uz/Pv)
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"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:08 AM (1ZOkK)
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Top. Men.
Posted by: IP at August 05, 2016 11:08 AM (Fol9S)
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I didn't realize that the FBI had a Lone Wolf Training Division.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 05, 2016 11:09 AM (/wm8n)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:09 AM (GwIKd)
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who the fuck knows
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 05, 2016 11:09 AM (R5HRU)
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That is a very sticky legal trap that LEO can fall into when running undercover operations - Entrapment.
"Your Honor! My client wouldl have never murdered Amy Sue Ka-Boom except Agent Billy Bob Boob-belt encouraged Mohammed Mohammed Jihad to do so! Look at these transcripts."
"Your Honor! My client wouldl have never murdered Amy Sue Ka-Boom except Agent Billy Bob Boob-belt encouraged Mohammed Mohammed Jihad to do so! Look at these transcripts."
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:09 AM (+bQch)
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" ... and civil liberties advocates say some of those charged might not have escalated their behavior without those interventions."
________
Entrapment, in other words. Whose legal onus is it to prove entrapment?
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Entrapment, in other words. Whose legal onus is it to prove entrapment?
Posted by: FireHorse at August 05, 2016 11:09 AM (YcAfS)
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#InfidelLivesMatter
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 05, 2016 11:09 AM (/wm8n)
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Daily Beast tips its hand:
>>"If you see that pig [Pamela Geller] make your 'voice' heard against her," Hendricks allegedly told the undercover agent, referring to a notorious Islamophobe.
Daily Beast tips its hand:
>>"If you see that pig [Pamela Geller] make your 'voice' heard against her," Hendricks allegedly told the undercover agent, referring to a notorious Islamophobe.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (pC96u)
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It's a sting operation. The FBI try to catch these guys before they go and do something, like in the case of the boston guy they shot at the bus station. Sometimes they get to Garland before they can get arrested/shot.
Posted by: Draki at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (SKk/g)
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Jihadi gotta jihad, no matter what the stimulus
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (GwIKd)
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Days before an ISIS sympathizer attacked a cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, he received a text from an undercover FBI agent.
"Tear up Texas," the agent messaged Elton Simpson days before he opened
fire at the the Draw Muhammad event, according to an affidavit filed in
federal court Thursday.
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Wait...did he send this msg without receiving anything immediately prior from Simpson? Did he just start "Hey dude....how ya been? Why don't ya Tear up Texas today."
Because if that's the case, I think we're waaaay out of the grey area.
"Tear up Texas," the agent messaged Elton Simpson days before he opened
fire at the the Draw Muhammad event, according to an affidavit filed in
federal court Thursday.
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Wait...did he send this msg without receiving anything immediately prior from Simpson? Did he just start "Hey dude....how ya been? Why don't ya Tear up Texas today."
Because if that's the case, I think we're waaaay out of the grey area.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (Enq6K)
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When the head of the FBI tells us Hellary is a lying liar who lies, and doesn't recommend an indictment, there's your clue.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (1ZOkK)
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And don't forget, the attackers in Garland used Fast and Furious guns
Posted by: SimonGruber at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (rX06+)
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I'd be more worried if the FBI agent tried to buy an A/C unit.
-John Kerry
-John Kerry
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (s6X53)
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Well, in general undercover agents encourage crime all the time, right? So they can arrest the people they encouraged.
They call it stings.
Maybe it was a messed up sting.
They call it stings.
Maybe it was a messed up sting.
Posted by: @votermom at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (7lVbc)
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Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:07 AM (AY/TT)
That's a really good question. I guess on one hand the FBI is just playing salesmen and in the other situation they were egging him on?
I dunno.
That's a really good question. I guess on one hand the FBI is just playing salesmen and in the other situation they were egging him on?
I dunno.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (R5HRU)
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Just when you think it can't get worse... it does.
I always cringe at any hint of entrapment by law enforcement.
I always cringe at any hint of entrapment by law enforcement.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (ZnIt3)
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Yikes.
Also, "Days before an ISIS sympathizer attacked a cartoon contest..."?
I have to wonder, WTF does it take to be considered part of ISIS - is there a special induction ceremony, a certificate, a training period and final exam they must pass?!? No one is ever officially ISIS on the West, and yet they keep successfully attacking us with their...fanboys? sympathizers? crazy wannabes? what?
Also, "Days before an ISIS sympathizer attacked a cartoon contest..."?
I have to wonder, WTF does it take to be considered part of ISIS - is there a special induction ceremony, a certificate, a training period and final exam they must pass?!? No one is ever officially ISIS on the West, and yet they keep successfully attacking us with their...fanboys? sympathizers? crazy wannabes? what?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (NOIQH)
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"When the head of the FBI tells us Hellary is a lying liar who lies, and doesn't recommend an indictment, there's your clue."
*bites tongue........bites tongue*
*bites tongue........bites tongue*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (p0f5T)
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I have to wonder, WTF does it take to be
considered part of ISIS - is there a special induction ceremony, a
certificate, a training period and final exam they must pass?!? No one
is ever officially ISIS on the West, and yet they keep successfully
attacking us with their...fanboys? sympathizers? crazy wannabes? what?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (NOIQH)
There's a secret handshake (right hand only) and a goat orgy.
I have to wonder, WTF does it take to be
considered part of ISIS - is there a special induction ceremony, a
certificate, a training period and final exam they must pass?!? No one
is ever officially ISIS on the West, and yet they keep successfully
attacking us with their...fanboys? sympathizers? crazy wannabes? what?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (NOIQH)
There's a secret handshake (right hand only) and a goat orgy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (1ZOkK)
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I have to wonder, WTF does it take to be considered part of ISIS - is there a special induction ceremony, a certificate, a training period and final exam they must pass?!?
You have to have the decoder ring.
You have to have the decoder ring.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (/wm8n)
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (GwIKd)
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Is this actual standard FBI undercover protocol -- encouraging a jihadist to kill someone so you can arrest him?.
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Hey! Credit where credit is due, please.
SOP, by the way.
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Hey! Credit where credit is due, please.
SOP, by the way.
Posted by: Federal Bureau of Instigation at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (/m8T6)
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Consider it this way:
When you don't do the big things right, you wind up managing the lots of little things that are fallout from that failure. All those little things become problems because we don't do the big thing.
We aren't serious about the real problem, and are just having to manage all the little details and events that result from that failure of admitting what the problems are re: National Security: open borders and Islam.
When you don't do the big things right, you wind up managing the lots of little things that are fallout from that failure. All those little things become problems because we don't do the big thing.
We aren't serious about the real problem, and are just having to manage all the little details and events that result from that failure of admitting what the problems are re: National Security: open borders and Islam.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (uz/Pv)
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In other FBI sting operations against home grown jihadi scum, the undercover agents have provided them with the bombs. Of course the FBI supplied bombs were built as duds but looked real.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (+bQch)
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Can't say I'm the biggest fan of the FBI anymore, but they have been doing a good job of catching jihadis with sting operations. Is it entrapment? I don't think so, because it's pretty difficult to convince a normal person to blow up a school or shoot people drawing pictures.
Posted by: Draki at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (SKk/g)
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There are some good agents in the FBI, but the organization as a whole is perceived as corrupt as the day is long. The Hillary incident was the icing on the cake, the the FBI has been on a downward spiral for years.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (kFnmp)
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Murky.
Remember that Randy Weaver's family got slaughtered because an undercover agent got him to saw a shotgun 1/8th of an inch too short.
Remember that Randy Weaver's family got slaughtered because an undercover agent got him to saw a shotgun 1/8th of an inch too short.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 05, 2016 11:13 AM (mgbwf)
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In other FBI sting operations against home grown jihadi scum, the undercover agents have provided them with the bombs. Of course the FBI supplied bombs were built as duds but looked real.
So at least we can say that the FBI is smarter than the BATF.
So at least we can say that the FBI is smarter than the BATF.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 05, 2016 11:13 AM (/wm8n)
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>>How is that any different from supplying fake explosives to a jihadi to blow up a downtown Dallas office building and then arresting him?
The guns weren't fake. They injured at least one person before getting taken out.
I don't know about you but I'd be kind of pissed if the FBI told some jihadist to tear it up and he shot me.
The guns weren't fake. They injured at least one person before getting taken out.
I don't know about you but I'd be kind of pissed if the FBI told some jihadist to tear it up and he shot me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (/tuJf)
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He does seem to have entirely misjudged how serious his jihadist contact was, and how imminent his plan was.
Okay. So I'm not the only one who reads all of that and takes away the impression that the FBI was just damn fine with US citizens being killed? Because I was hoping I was just being super paranoid.
I'm still trying to process this. Because this reads very badly and I'm talking about the actual affidavit, not the story.
Okay. So I'm not the only one who reads all of that and takes away the impression that the FBI was just damn fine with US citizens being killed? Because I was hoping I was just being super paranoid.
I'm still trying to process this. Because this reads very badly and I'm talking about the actual affidavit, not the story.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Sooners everywhere at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (/m8T6)
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"Oops. Fuck. Make that read 'Source is *too* responsive to tasking.'"
Posted by: General Zod at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (Bdeb0)
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I don't know about you but I'd be kind of pissed if the FBI told some jihadist to tear it up and he shot me.
Or if the Justice Department unleashed weapons to the Mexican drug cartels...
Or if the Justice Department unleashed weapons to the Mexican drug cartels...
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (Agn5J)
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"There are some good agents in the FBI, but the organization as a whole is perceived as corrupt as the day is long."
Wyatt, curious. How does your department handle these things? Knowing this.
Wyatt, curious. How does your department handle these things? Knowing this.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:15 AM (p0f5T)
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Because if that's the case, I think we're waaaay out of the grey area.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (Enq6K)
I've read that it is very common for undercover agents to instigate violence, to the point where the loudest advocate for "direct action" in a group is suspected.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (Enq6K)
I've read that it is very common for undercover agents to instigate violence, to the point where the loudest advocate for "direct action" in a group is suspected.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 05, 2016 11:15 AM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:16 AM (p0f5T)
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Wyatt, curious. How does your department handle these things? Knowing this.
We have a few officers working in a local FBI Task Force. It has been my experience the Marshals are great, Secret Service is aces, and the dickheads are the FBI. Not true for everyone, but for a lot of them.
We have a few officers working in a local FBI Task Force. It has been my experience the Marshals are great, Secret Service is aces, and the dickheads are the FBI. Not true for everyone, but for a lot of them.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 05, 2016 11:16 AM (Agn5J)
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If I thought the Bilderberger types had a sense of humor, I'd believe they used armed officers of government agencies to prank each other. This would make one heck of a Bohemian Grove fireside knee-slapper.
Posted by: General Zod at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (Bdeb0)
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Next thing you'll tell me is ATF sells guns to narcoterroists and plans on finding them at crime scenes.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (xInes)
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At what point does a sting become entrapment? I don't know anything about anything anymore.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (7HtZB)
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This isn't any different than Fast and Furious. The federal government, with POTUS's blessing, illegally sells firearms to Mexican criminals, who then in turn use those weapons to murder American citizens, including a federal LEO. In the following years, the American public is then hectored endlessly on the virtues of gun control by the same people - either through complicity or incompetence - who enable such violence.
Ain't America great?
Ain't America great?
Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (LBO1U)
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well, is there any information about whether or not the fbi agent gave the jihadi information on how to get his hands on obamas fast and furious stash?
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (AoSQU)
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We have a few officers working in a local FBI Task Force. It has been my experience the Marshals are great, Secret Service is aces, and the dickheads are the FBI. Not true for everyone, but for a lot of them.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 05, 2016 11:16 AM (Agn5J)
Just doing my job.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 05, 2016 11:16 AM (Agn5J)
Just doing my job.
Posted by: Raylan Givens at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (4+VII)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
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The guns weren't fake. They injured at least one person before getting taken out.
I don't know about you but I'd be kind of pissed if the FBI told some jihadist to tear it up and he shot me.
I'm with you on this. What if, once they supplied jihadi jim with fake bombs, he realizes they are duds and replaces them with his own?
I don't know about you but I'd be kind of pissed if the FBI told some jihadist to tear it up and he shot me.
I'm with you on this. What if, once they supplied jihadi jim with fake bombs, he realizes they are duds and replaces them with his own?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (AY/TT)
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At what point does a sting become entrapment? I don't know anything about anything anymore.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (7HtZB)
The line is often drawn by how much lawyer you can afford.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (7HtZB)
The line is often drawn by how much lawyer you can afford.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (kKHcp)
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I can't help but think that this administration has already been caught using one federal agency maliciously against political opponents.
I think I need to unplug for a while. This line of thinking is definitely not healthy.
I think I need to unplug for a while. This line of thinking is definitely not healthy.
Posted by: Joe, living mobile at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (0HJ/y)
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What is the difference between an informant encouraging someone to commit a crime and a case officer encouraging someone to terrorize someone, not to arrest them, but because the case officer wants the target terrorized?
Intent, is the difference.
Law enforcement wants a suspect to cross the line into behavior where the suspect can be arrested.
Covert operatives employ the same psychological devices to encourage behavior that undermines the stability of the government.
Obama sayng the grievances of #BlackLivesMatter are justified is exactly this same thing. Letting convicted felons out of prison early saying their conviction and sentenancing was unjustified.
And the NYTimes publishing news articles saying the US is tracking Osama bin Laden's cell phone is what it is whether it is done in public in the newspapers, or covertly in some dimly lit speakeasy.
Intent, is the difference.
Law enforcement wants a suspect to cross the line into behavior where the suspect can be arrested.
Covert operatives employ the same psychological devices to encourage behavior that undermines the stability of the government.
Obama sayng the grievances of #BlackLivesMatter are justified is exactly this same thing. Letting convicted felons out of prison early saying their conviction and sentenancing was unjustified.
And the NYTimes publishing news articles saying the US is tracking Osama bin Laden's cell phone is what it is whether it is done in public in the newspapers, or covertly in some dimly lit speakeasy.
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (NIr24)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Pshaw! Your internet crumb trail is so obvious we don't need to infiltrate anything.
Pshaw! Your internet crumb trail is so obvious we don't need to infiltrate anything.
Posted by: Bob Who is Totally Not from the NSA at August 05, 2016 11:20 AM (mgbwf)
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Undercover and sting operations are tough. We want to hope that the undercover agent or mole can get the information out before the attack actually happens. We also (or I also) would hope that the attack, or something like it, would still have happened absent law enforcement involvement. Sometimes it isn't clear that that's the case. But it would be crazy to give up on undercover work, and as you noted, an undercover agent has to pretend to support the criminal activities they're trying to stop. And sometimes, actually provide support for them.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 05, 2016 11:20 AM (2lndx)
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Didn't the Texas cop shoot the perp dead?
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (GwIKd)
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Considering Fast and Furious, Innocence of Mohammed videomaker arrest, EPA creating the Animus River spill to make it a superfund site, BLM descending on the Bundy Ranch as it it were the home base of a Mexican drug cartel --- let's just say our government is now in the habit of instigating a lot of incidents that will trigger the desired increased governmental involvement/authority.
Who here thinks that maybe, just maybe, the Geller assassination would have been the perfect incident to enact laws that stifle criticism of Islam? For own safety, of course.
*straightens out tinfoil hat*
Who here thinks that maybe, just maybe, the Geller assassination would have been the perfect incident to enact laws that stifle criticism of Islam? For own safety, of course.
*straightens out tinfoil hat*
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (NOIQH)
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meh, maybe not so bog a deal. feds have given guys suicide vests and triggers to huge ieds in manhattan with the understanding the guy would be planning to pull the trigger.
in one case they gave the guy a detonator in lower manhattan and arrested his backward jihadi ass after he tried to detonate the bomb.
more surprising about this case is that they were encouraging a guy who either had or only need to get a gun.
man I hate jihadis and communists.
in one case they gave the guy a detonator in lower manhattan and arrested his backward jihadi ass after he tried to detonate the bomb.
more surprising about this case is that they were encouraging a guy who either had or only need to get a gun.
man I hate jihadis and communists.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (AoSQU)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Ever wonder if Bob with the NSA (watching you at your computer) is really Achmed with the NSA?
*reaches for sticky to put over camera*
Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Ever wonder if Bob with the NSA (watching you at your computer) is really Achmed with the NSA?
*reaches for sticky to put over camera*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (1ZOkK)
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Nothing would surprise me anymore.... And Jane, Georgia? We are so screwed...
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (O2RFr)
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54 Next thing you'll tell me is ATF sells guns to narcoterroists and plans on finding them at crime scenes.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (xInes)
Now that's just right wing tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory crazy talk!
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (xInes)
Now that's just right wing tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory crazy talk!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (p0f5T)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Ever wonder if Bob with the NSA (watching you at your computer) is really Achmed with the NSA?
*reaches for sticky to put over camera*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (1ZOkK)
you mean the ones posting death threats?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Ever wonder if Bob with the NSA (watching you at your computer) is really Achmed with the NSA?
*reaches for sticky to put over camera*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (1ZOkK)
you mean the ones posting death threats?
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (AoSQU)
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (4r4Qq)
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Didn't the Texas cop shoot the perp dead?
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (GwIKd)
Yep. Them there jihadis came up against a shooter. Not just an LEO, but a calm efficient shooter.
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (GwIKd)
Yep. Them there jihadis came up against a shooter. Not just an LEO, but a calm efficient shooter.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (kKHcp)
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At what point does a sting become entrapment? I don't know anything about anything anymore.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (7HtZB)
This is well outside my areas of expertise but from what I recall there has to be an act in furtherance of a conspiracy before an arrest can be made.
For example and this is only an example, I'm not trying to start anything nor do I think this is a good idea, it is within the First Amendment to discuss how it would be a great idea for someone to bolt shut the doors of Congress during a State of the Union address and then set the place on fire. That is not actionable.
But once someone who is discussing that goes out and buys a bunch of gas cans? That's no longer speech but an action in furtherance and that's probable cause.
So in order to be able to arrest people, you have to goad a person into taking an action besides shooting off one's mouth.
The entrapment part comes when the person who did the action says hey the government pushed me into it.
Again, that's what I recall and I'm sure I have the particulars not quite right but that's the broad outline.
Isn't it an old joke that KKK meetings are now made up of 4 FBI guys talking to 3 Secret Service guys?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:17 AM (7HtZB)
This is well outside my areas of expertise but from what I recall there has to be an act in furtherance of a conspiracy before an arrest can be made.
For example and this is only an example, I'm not trying to start anything nor do I think this is a good idea, it is within the First Amendment to discuss how it would be a great idea for someone to bolt shut the doors of Congress during a State of the Union address and then set the place on fire. That is not actionable.
But once someone who is discussing that goes out and buys a bunch of gas cans? That's no longer speech but an action in furtherance and that's probable cause.
So in order to be able to arrest people, you have to goad a person into taking an action besides shooting off one's mouth.
The entrapment part comes when the person who did the action says hey the government pushed me into it.
Again, that's what I recall and I'm sure I have the particulars not quite right but that's the broad outline.
Isn't it an old joke that KKK meetings are now made up of 4 FBI guys talking to 3 Secret Service guys?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN)
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WTF does it take to be considered part of ISIS
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Serious guess, you join a mosque, you start talking hate, you fall in with the crowd, you talk more hate, you get deeper in, and at some point you're getting the magazines and you're in the network.
WTF does it take to be considered part of ISIS
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Serious guess, you join a mosque, you start talking hate, you fall in with the crowd, you talk more hate, you get deeper in, and at some point you're getting the magazines and you're in the network.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (pC96u)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Do the paid trolls count?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Do the paid trolls count?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (KUaJL)
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Empress, let's remake Trading Places. But the Duke brothers are out of control federal agents who on a $1 bet decide to ruin a law abiding citizen while rehabilitating a real scumbag.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (+bQch)
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Ever wonder if Bob with the NSA (watching you at your computer) is really Achmed with the NSA?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (1ZOkK)
Thanks, Jane, now I have a new worry.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:21 AM (1ZOkK)
Thanks, Jane, now I have a new worry.
Posted by: @votermom at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (7lVbc)
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60 Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Not me. Swearsies.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Not me. Swearsies.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (0mRoj)
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>>Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
FBI
NSA
ACE
Just a coincidence. Sure.
FBI
NSA
ACE
Just a coincidence. Sure.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (/tuJf)
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Pam Geller, must be devastated by the Daily Beast's slur. What a shithole of the interwebs that place is.
Posted by: huerfano at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (jkkMG)
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Ace, the mistake you make is in thinking the FBI Agent was not acting as the guy's defacto handler.
Look couple this with the FBI Jedi Hand-waving away Omar Mateen's documented and credible threats of Jihad b/c "racist."
And the wife is now likely firmly ensconced in witsec.
The civil service works for the invaders.
Once you accept it this all makes sense.
Look couple this with the FBI Jedi Hand-waving away Omar Mateen's documented and credible threats of Jihad b/c "racist."
And the wife is now likely firmly ensconced in witsec.
The civil service works for the invaders.
Once you accept it this all makes sense.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (SzZnW)
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Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:07 AM (1ZOkK)
Looking at the poll numbers:
Total Respondents: 767
For Cankles: 312
For Weaselhair: 288
For Pothead: 88
For Anti-Hillary!: 16
More than half of the respondents are in the ATL (389).
Looking at the poll numbers:
Total Respondents: 767
For Cankles: 312
For Weaselhair: 288
For Pothead: 88
For Anti-Hillary!: 16
More than half of the respondents are in the ATL (389).
Posted by: Country Singer at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (uiwCw)
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82 60 Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Come and get me... At this point what difference does it make?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Come and get me... At this point what difference does it make?
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (O2RFr)
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obama's FBI
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (4r4Qq)
well, that is why they arrested the dc metro cop after six years of surveillance. needed someone white with a nazi angle to justify their use of the word extremist and take some of the heat off of the jihadi core.
you can expect more non-brown terrorism arrests.
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (4r4Qq)
well, that is why they arrested the dc metro cop after six years of surveillance. needed someone white with a nazi angle to justify their use of the word extremist and take some of the heat off of the jihadi core.
you can expect more non-brown terrorism arrests.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:25 AM (AoSQU)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:25 AM (p0f5T)
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Isn't it an old joke that KKK meetings are now made up of 4 FBI guys talking to 3 Secret Service guys?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN)
Don't forget us!
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN)
Don't forget us!
Posted by: The Two BATF Guys at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (uiwCw)
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Hey, have the rocket surgeons at the FBI caught Mrs. Orlando Shooter yet?
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (408Ta)
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80 Empress, let's remake Trading Places. But the Duke brothers are out of control federal agents who on a $1 bet decide to ruin a law abiding citizen while rehabilitating a real scumbag.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (+bQch)
But who's going to be taking Jamie Lee Curtis's place?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (+bQch)
But who's going to be taking Jamie Lee Curtis's place?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (7HtZB)
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More than half of the respondents are in the ATL (389).
Posted by: Country Singer at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (uiwCw)
Thanks for the info. Fox didn't bother to break it down. Shocka.
Posted by: Country Singer at August 05, 2016 11:24 AM (uiwCw)
Thanks for the info. Fox didn't bother to break it down. Shocka.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (1ZOkK)
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I am now at T minus 1:20....
Packed and happy.
Keep your heads up....or down.
May Trumper lie down with never trumper....
we can have a blood feud over top bunk later.
Packed and happy.
Keep your heads up....or down.
May Trumper lie down with never trumper....
we can have a blood feud over top bunk later.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (SzZnW)
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What if, once they supplied jihadi jim with fake bombs, he realizes they are duds and replaces them with his own?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (AY/TT)
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I imagine they supply the bombs very close to bang-time -- but mind you, I generally try to be logical and I have a job where I could be fired for incompetence or rank stupidity.
What if, once they supplied jihadi jim with fake bombs, he realizes they are duds and replaces them with his own?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (AY/TT)
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I imagine they supply the bombs very close to bang-time -- but mind you, I generally try to be logical and I have a job where I could be fired for incompetence or rank stupidity.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (pC96u)
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Looking at the poll numbers:
Total Respondents: 767
For Cankles: 312
For Weaselhair: 288
For Pothead: 88
For Anti-Hillary!: 16
Also check ages. One poll asked no one under 35. Why?
Avoid the Bernie Bros.
Total Respondents: 767
For Cankles: 312
For Weaselhair: 288
For Pothead: 88
For Anti-Hillary!: 16
Also check ages. One poll asked no one under 35. Why?
Avoid the Bernie Bros.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (AY/TT)
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60 Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Not me. Swearsies.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (0mRoj)
yeah. sure. drink this. swallow these. put this gadsen flag shirt on then we will talk.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Not me. Swearsies.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (0mRoj)
yeah. sure. drink this. swallow these. put this gadsen flag shirt on then we will talk.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:27 AM (AoSQU)
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There is a similar plot point in Aquarius, the current TV show. The undercover police woman that infiltrated the SDS disarmed a bomb on a college campus and her bosses go crazy. They told her that they could have shut down this SDS branch if she let it explode. That is nonsense. There are the same penalties for setting a bomb. Same with planning a murder or terrorist attack.
Posted by: Darrell at August 05, 2016 11:27 AM (tk8Sf)
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oops should have been Gadsen
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:27 AM (AoSQU)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
I know I'm paranoid.
I was abused as a child.
I know I'm paranoid.
I was abused as a child.
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:27 AM (NIr24)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 05, 2016 11:27 AM (2lndx)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
That's preposterous! I was too stupid to score well enough on the BATF test.
That's preposterous! I was too stupid to score well enough on the BATF test.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (kFnmp)
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Didn't the FBI interview the Orlando shooter like 3 times?
Posted by: Yo! at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (GwIKd)
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (4r4Qq)
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sven, nice to see you here.
I understand. It's tough to deal with dementia/Alzheimer's. Takes a lot out of you.
Tough to maintain a schedule or family life or anything else.
I understand. It's tough to deal with dementia/Alzheimer's. Takes a lot out of you.
Tough to maintain a schedule or family life or anything else.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (p0f5T)
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The federal government is largely illigitimate, the federal agencies under its control are largely incompetence when they aren't acting tyrannically, I see no peaceful path out of our predicament.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (oZrgQ)
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"When the head of the FBI tells us Hellary is a lying liar who lies, and doesn't recommend an indictment, there's your clue."
This.
Benedict Comey betrayed his oath and his country.
This.
Benedict Comey betrayed his oath and his country.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (U4rCv)
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Isn't it an old joke that KKK meetings are now made up of 4 FBI guys talking to 3 Secret Service guys?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN
*ahem*
3 How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN
*ahem*
3 How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (bMG0w)
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The big problem here would be if the FBI knew the details of the plan, and could have told someone in Garland: Watch for 2 swarthy males with shitty 9mm carbines driving an 82 Honda Civic, scheduled to arrive at around 2pm at the receiving entrance in the rear.
And instead they just said nothing, because the target was the administration's political opponent.
Then we've got a major fucking problem. And I don't think it sounds far-fetched for this administration.
Maybe someone should ask local law enforcement in Garland if they were ever warned about this by the FBI.
And instead they just said nothing, because the target was the administration's political opponent.
Then we've got a major fucking problem. And I don't think it sounds far-fetched for this administration.
Maybe someone should ask local law enforcement in Garland if they were ever warned about this by the FBI.
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (sgHEm)
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Good luck with everything Sven. Just don't try to roll a D100 in a moving car while playing Car Wars. 
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (+bQch)
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (QM5S2)
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I am trying to care about this because of civil rights, entrapment, and that whole nine yards, and I find not a shred of outrage. I think it's because Islam has a continuous lawfare assault against anything that in any way "OUTRAGES" Islam and goes against its unrelenting war to conquer the West.
I freely acknowledge that this is a very slippery slope. The same slope that finds uncover agents in any sting operation being led into being as bad as the operations they are there to disrupt.
It is a sad and crazy time to be alive, when, the worst people on the planet from ISIS scum to gang scum to white collar crime scum to sex trafficking scum to ____ scum have become so expert at using the law to their advantage that there is no way to combat them that is both moral and legal.
I freely acknowledge that this is a very slippery slope. The same slope that finds uncover agents in any sting operation being led into being as bad as the operations they are there to disrupt.
It is a sad and crazy time to be alive, when, the worst people on the planet from ISIS scum to gang scum to white collar crime scum to sex trafficking scum to ____ scum have become so expert at using the law to their advantage that there is no way to combat them that is both moral and legal.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (kXoT0)
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108 Isn't it an old joke that KKK meetings are now made up of 4 FBI guys talking to 3 Secret Service guys?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN
*ahem*
3 How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (bMG0w)
Hey, you guys ever hear the one about the Klan rally?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN
*ahem*
3 How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (bMG0w)
Hey, you guys ever hear the one about the Klan rally?
Posted by: Amy Shumer at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (KUaJL)
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I'm going to tie this in with what I've been speechifying on, and let's see how this works:
Islam is an anachronism, and the principle ideas underlying it that essentially promote and justify murder under prescribed circumstances, are anachronistic and should have no place in society - anywhere.
If, we want the world to get better and not worse, Islam and its teachings should be shunned and its teachings not condemned necessarily, but repudiated.
It might be possible for Islam to be reformed, but the truth about reformation is that it would be a totally different religion. That actually might be ok as well, especially if an analysis of Judaism and Christianity, and their reformations through time have resulted in totally different religions, as well.
What I have been suggesting is that we need to start thinking differently. The essence of how we see our existence has remained substantially unchanged for thousands of years, while every other single aspect of our existence has changed. The ideas and aspirations of Islam should have no place in our thought processes.
Islam is an anachronism, and the principle ideas underlying it that essentially promote and justify murder under prescribed circumstances, are anachronistic and should have no place in society - anywhere.
If, we want the world to get better and not worse, Islam and its teachings should be shunned and its teachings not condemned necessarily, but repudiated.
It might be possible for Islam to be reformed, but the truth about reformation is that it would be a totally different religion. That actually might be ok as well, especially if an analysis of Judaism and Christianity, and their reformations through time have resulted in totally different religions, as well.
What I have been suggesting is that we need to start thinking differently. The essence of how we see our existence has remained substantially unchanged for thousands of years, while every other single aspect of our existence has changed. The ideas and aspirations of Islam should have no place in our thought processes.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (4ng05)
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So the DNC thinks increased terror attacks help them?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (7ZVPa)
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*shoves Coke through USB port for buzzion*
Murky.
Remember that Randy Weaver's family got slaughtered because an undercover agent got him to saw a shotgun 1/8th of an inch too short.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 05, 2016 11:13 AM (mgbwf)
Waco. We have to burn all those children to the ground because otherwise they might be abused.
Murky.
Remember that Randy Weaver's family got slaughtered because an undercover agent got him to saw a shotgun 1/8th of an inch too short.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 05, 2016 11:13 AM (mgbwf)
Waco. We have to burn all those children to the ground because otherwise they might be abused.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (mf5HN)
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Is it entrapment? I don't think so, because it's
pretty difficult to convince a normal person to blow up a school or
shoot people drawing pictures.
Posted by: Draki at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (SKk/g)
Well, you could also argue that it is pretty difficult to convince a normal person to commit any crime.
I'm not sure where my thoughts will go on this one, but part of me is thrilled that they got the Jihadists to expose themselves....
pretty difficult to convince a normal person to blow up a school or
shoot people drawing pictures.
Posted by: Draki at August 05, 2016 11:12 AM (SKk/g)
Well, you could also argue that it is pretty difficult to convince a normal person to commit any crime.
I'm not sure where my thoughts will go on this one, but part of me is thrilled that they got the Jihadists to expose themselves....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (Zu3d9)
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The FBI is great. Competent enough to encourage salafists. But not competent enough to stop them.
Heckuva job Comey!
Heckuva job Comey!
Posted by: 18-1 at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (X7E8f)
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The FBI's incompetence all seems to run the same direction.
Posted by: Grump928(c) ponders at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (+bQch)
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Well...there's active undercover work and there's passive.
Sending a text seems overly active. Unless the agent was totes kidding.
"LOL R U gonna tear up Texas? OMG UR weapons are totally on fleek! Also, if you let me come with you to the shooting I'll need you to shout Alla Hu Akbar into the flower on my lapel, bruh."
Sending a text seems overly active. Unless the agent was totes kidding.
"LOL R U gonna tear up Texas? OMG UR weapons are totally on fleek! Also, if you let me come with you to the shooting I'll need you to shout Alla Hu Akbar into the flower on my lapel, bruh."
Posted by: SGT York at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (ITvKk)
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There is a more fundamental question...
Why is it OK for the Government to do something a citizen would get Prosecuted for?
Why is it Legal for the Police to lie to you, but not for you to lie to the Police?
I understand the argument that they need to be able to lie to catch bad guys... but they are not catching most of them NOW....
Does the end, justify the means... can it be a moral society when our own Government can and does lie to us with impunity?
Why is it OK for the Government to do something a citizen would get Prosecuted for?
Why is it Legal for the Police to lie to you, but not for you to lie to the Police?
I understand the argument that they need to be able to lie to catch bad guys... but they are not catching most of them NOW....
Does the end, justify the means... can it be a moral society when our own Government can and does lie to us with impunity?
Posted by: Don Q. at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (qf6WZ)
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Im sure the agent was directed to take fast and furious action.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (U4rCv)
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The way that reads (only source I looked at is this post) is that the Fed was trying to get him to acknowledge intent to attack in plain English to give him something actionable for arrest/prosecution. Note the jihadist scolded him for being direct.
This sort of dialogue is probably very common, and sadly, necessary for prosecution if the jihadist target doesn't need the Fed to get his weapons (most of these arrests seem to happen when they buy fake guns or explosives from the Feds).
This sort of dialogue is probably very common, and sadly, necessary for prosecution if the jihadist target doesn't need the Fed to get his weapons (most of these arrests seem to happen when they buy fake guns or explosives from the Feds).
Posted by: Valse Addemmis at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (ipDvm)
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94
I am now at T minus 1:20....
Packed and happy.
Keep your heads up....or down.
May Trumper lie down with never trumper....
we can have a blood feud over top bunk later.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (SzZnW)
I missed it.....where ye be going sven?
I am now at T minus 1:20....
Packed and happy.
Keep your heads up....or down.
May Trumper lie down with never trumper....
we can have a blood feud over top bunk later.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:26 AM (SzZnW)
I missed it.....where ye be going sven?
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (Enq6K)
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>>driving an 82 Honda Civic, scheduled to arrive at around 2pm at the receiving entrance in the rear.
driving an 82 Honda Civic with a crown-shaped incense dispenser in the rear window, stringed wooden-bead back massagers on the front seats, a CD hanging from the rearview, and fuzzy-ball adornments across the front interior windshield.
That'll be them. Approach with caution.
driving an 82 Honda Civic with a crown-shaped incense dispenser in the rear window, stringed wooden-bead back massagers on the front seats, a CD hanging from the rearview, and fuzzy-ball adornments across the front interior windshield.
That'll be them. Approach with caution.
Posted by: General Zod at August 05, 2016 11:33 AM (Bdeb0)
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By the way, isn't there a very similar accusation about OKC? That McVeigh was working with another man (in addition to Nichols) who was supposedly ATF or FBI, with the theory being they would arrest McVeigh before he could actually run through an attack....but the agent gave him too much help and he was ready before the feds were ready to arrest him?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 05, 2016 11:33 AM (X7E8f)
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Yeah, WACO was BATF at their Anti-Finest Hour. Raid a place you know has weapons in daylight...
But yeah, if Hillary! gets elected we'll have more of that to experience.
But yeah, if Hillary! gets elected we'll have more of that to experience.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:33 AM (+bQch)
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Maybe someone should ask local law enforcement in Garland if they were ever warned about this by the FBI.
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (sgHEm)
That's where I am trying not to go with this. Did the FBI know or have a high degree of confidence that there were people on their way to Garland and the FBI didn't say a damn word.
Because that? That is very worrisome.
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (sgHEm)
That's where I am trying not to go with this. Did the FBI know or have a high degree of confidence that there were people on their way to Garland and the FBI didn't say a damn word.
Because that? That is very worrisome.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:33 AM (mf5HN)
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David Huddleston is dead.
A very good character actor. Blazing Saddles, Smokey & the Bandit, lots of tv shows.
David Huddleston is dead.
A very good character actor. Blazing Saddles, Smokey & the Bandit, lots of tv shows.
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:33 AM (4r4Qq)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:34 AM (p0f5T)
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Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (bMG0w)
It takes a few minutes for posts from the Great Blog in the Sky to show up here.
It takes a few minutes for posts from the Great Blog in the Sky to show up here.
Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 05, 2016 11:34 AM (nvMvs)
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5 So the DNC thinks increased terror attacks help them?
Yes because they have painted Trump as cray,cray... Can't let him near the nukes!
Yes because they have painted Trump as cray,cray... Can't let him near the nukes!
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)
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@109
You can try asking but more than likely the Feds acting under the new protocols of making everyone sign NDAs have made everyone clam up.
And when the hell did the Feds get the authority to slap NDAs on personnel?
You can try asking but more than likely the Feds acting under the new protocols of making everyone sign NDAs have made everyone clam up.
And when the hell did the Feds get the authority to slap NDAs on personnel?
Posted by: Kreplach at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (oZrgQ)
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I hate when I'm monitoring some item on an online auction thinking to semi-snipe the item, and then forget to check on it until 10 minutes after the auction closes. I just did that on something I really wanted. It has thrown an effin pall over my entire morning.
Ef my swiss cheese brain.
Ef my swiss cheese brain.
Posted by: Grump928(c) vents at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (evdj2)
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Diet or Coke Zero please.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (bMG0w)
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> So I'm not the only one who reads all of that and takes away the impression that the FBI was just damn fine with US citizens being killed? Because I was hoping I was just being super paranoid.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (mf5HN)
It seems like if you are undercover, there is a point when you might have to make a choice between blowing your cover and people getting killed.
I know which one I would prefer they choose...especially since I don't think this guy was the top guy and we're not talking about a 24 level scenario where somebody is about to blow up the country.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:14 AM (mf5HN)
It seems like if you are undercover, there is a point when you might have to make a choice between blowing your cover and people getting killed.
I know which one I would prefer they choose...especially since I don't think this guy was the top guy and we're not talking about a 24 level scenario where somebody is about to blow up the country.
Posted by: Lea at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (lIU4e)
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>>Yeah, WACO was BATF at their Anti-Finest Hour.
Big guns story on the usually NY-ey, artsy CBS Sunday Morning show last weekend. They interviewed the head of the ATF who whined that people only remember two things about his agency: Ruby Ridge and Waco. Oh, boo hoo, you should be remembered for that.
Big guns story on the usually NY-ey, artsy CBS Sunday Morning show last weekend. They interviewed the head of the ATF who whined that people only remember two things about his agency: Ruby Ridge and Waco. Oh, boo hoo, you should be remembered for that.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (NOIQH)
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The federal government is largely illigitimate, the federal agencies
under its control are largely incompetence when they aren't acting
tyrannically,
***
For the most part the individuals in the government are not rewarded when actually accomplishing whatever mission their organization nominally has, and instead are rewarded when they advance the interests of the deep state instead.
So not surprisingly you find most government officials work to advance the goals they are rewarded for, not whatever their job nominally entails.
This is where a Trumnado coming in and firing everyone above line manager could do a lot of good...
under its control are largely incompetence when they aren't acting
tyrannically,
***
For the most part the individuals in the government are not rewarded when actually accomplishing whatever mission their organization nominally has, and instead are rewarded when they advance the interests of the deep state instead.
So not surprisingly you find most government officials work to advance the goals they are rewarded for, not whatever their job nominally entails.
This is where a Trumnado coming in and firing everyone above line manager could do a lot of good...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (X7E8f)
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Very salient point Empress, did the FBI send out any special notice to the LEOs in Garland about heightened threat levels. Or did the Garland LEOs go to high alert because of only media attention?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (+bQch)
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122 There is a more fundamental question...
Why is it OK for the Government to do something a citizen would get Prosecuted for?
Why is it Legal for the Police to lie to you, but not for you to lie to the Police?
I understand the argument that they need to be able to lie to catch bad guys... but they are not catching most of them NOW....
Does the end, justify the means... can it be a moral society when our own Government can and does lie to us with impunity?
Posted by: Don Q. at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (qf6WZ)
Utilitarians say yes, Kant says no.
Why is it OK for the Government to do something a citizen would get Prosecuted for?
Why is it Legal for the Police to lie to you, but not for you to lie to the Police?
I understand the argument that they need to be able to lie to catch bad guys... but they are not catching most of them NOW....
Does the end, justify the means... can it be a moral society when our own Government can and does lie to us with impunity?
Posted by: Don Q. at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (qf6WZ)
Utilitarians say yes, Kant says no.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (KUaJL)
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You can try asking but more than likely the Feds acting under the new protocols of making everyone sign NDAs have made everyone clam up.
And when the hell did the Feds get the authority to slap NDAs on personnel?
Posted by: Kreplach at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (oZrgQ)
yeah, that is a good question, which in a functioning system, would be run out to the end by reporters and congress.
And when the hell did the Feds get the authority to slap NDAs on personnel?
Posted by: Kreplach at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (oZrgQ)
yeah, that is a good question, which in a functioning system, would be run out to the end by reporters and congress.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (AoSQU)
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"Did the FBI know or have a high degree of confidence that there were people on their way to Garland and the FBI didn't say a damn word.
Because that? That is very worrisome. "
Anymore................?
Because that? That is very worrisome. "
Anymore................?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (p0f5T)
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In the case where the FBI counterintel has an inside source, knows about the plan, and doesn't reveal any of it to local law enforcement because they don't want to burn their source and are trying to reach a higher level than just the common street soldier.
I hold this view about 9/11. They 'knew' something was going to happen, had a long list of suspects, and didn't want to burn their sources and methods. They rounded up the ususal suspects much too quickly to be completely unaware.
Samething happened with Pearl Harbor. The 'knew' something was going to happen, didn't believe it, couldn't do anything about it, didn't want to blow the cover on radio intercepts, and politically, had to wait for public outrage to justify going to war.
In the case where the FBI counterintel has an inside source, knows about the plan, and doesn't reveal any of it to local law enforcement because they don't want to burn their source and are trying to reach a higher level than just the common street soldier.
I hold this view about 9/11. They 'knew' something was going to happen, had a long list of suspects, and didn't want to burn their sources and methods. They rounded up the ususal suspects much too quickly to be completely unaware.
Samething happened with Pearl Harbor. The 'knew' something was going to happen, didn't believe it, couldn't do anything about it, didn't want to blow the cover on radio intercepts, and politically, had to wait for public outrage to justify going to war.
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (NIr24)
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I don't need to know this information. I want my representatives to have this info in the various oversight committees but I don't need the details of our covert operations.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:37 AM (1b+5Z)
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143 "Did the FBI know or have a high degree of confidence that there were people on their way to Garland and the FBI didn't say a damn word.
Because that? That is very worrisome. "
Well Geller was "expendable."
Because that? That is very worrisome. "
Well Geller was "expendable."
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:37 AM (O2RFr)
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How is that any different from supplying fake
explosives to a jihadi to blow up a downtown Dallas office building and
then arresting him?
Posted by: rickb223
That jihadist was found in an islamic chat room, was asked, what he wanted to do, not told to do anything, and then was given items he asked for. (truck, bomb - fake, of course, cell phone activator, hideout for after the explosion, food and supplies) He was given multiple opportunities to bail out and he kept upping the damage he wanted to do. The FBI even made the fake bomb very involved to activate. Something like 13 switches that needed to be set so they could prove in court it was a very deliberate act. And he was being very closely monitored the entire time with phone taps and surveillance. When he made the call that would have activated the bomb he was arrested by a dozen agents who were hiding in a stairwell just a few feet away. Two very different situations.
The FBI saw in the chat room how serious and determined he was and they felt they needed to facilitate his plan with him before an actual jihadist started helping him.
explosives to a jihadi to blow up a downtown Dallas office building and
then arresting him?
Posted by: rickb223
That jihadist was found in an islamic chat room, was asked, what he wanted to do, not told to do anything, and then was given items he asked for. (truck, bomb - fake, of course, cell phone activator, hideout for after the explosion, food and supplies) He was given multiple opportunities to bail out and he kept upping the damage he wanted to do. The FBI even made the fake bomb very involved to activate. Something like 13 switches that needed to be set so they could prove in court it was a very deliberate act. And he was being very closely monitored the entire time with phone taps and surveillance. When he made the call that would have activated the bomb he was arrested by a dozen agents who were hiding in a stairwell just a few feet away. Two very different situations.
The FBI saw in the chat room how serious and determined he was and they felt they needed to facilitate his plan with him before an actual jihadist started helping him.
Posted by: Dang at August 05, 2016 11:37 AM (k0G44)
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Can't let him near the nukes!
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)
Front page article in the NY Times today.
Alas...I am not joking.
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)
Front page article in the NY Times today.
Alas...I am not joking.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 05, 2016 11:37 AM (Zu3d9)
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That's where I am trying not to go with this. Did the FBI know or have a high degree of confidence that there were people on their way to Garland and the FBI didn't say a damn word.
Because that? That is very worrisome.
I'm going to ask the question then:
Was the point of this operation dealing with the terrorists, or to teach Gellar and/or Texas a lesson?
Because that? That is very worrisome.
I'm going to ask the question then:
Was the point of this operation dealing with the terrorists, or to teach Gellar and/or Texas a lesson?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 05, 2016 11:38 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:38 AM (O2RFr)
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*shoves Diet Coke through USB for buzzion*
It seems like if you are undercover, there is a point when you might have to make a choice between blowing your cover and people getting killed.
I know which one I would prefer they choose...especially since I don't think this guy was the top guy and we're not talking about a 24 level scenario where somebody is about to blow up the country.
Posted by: Lea at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (lIU4e)
The agent knows something and does he tell and blow cover or let people die scenario has been a thriller staple since, what, there were thrillers?
It just seems that in this scenario there were relatively low cost ways for the FBI guy to notify Garland that there was a problem. Of course, that's based on very limited information so maybe not. But it seems bad.
It seems like if you are undercover, there is a point when you might have to make a choice between blowing your cover and people getting killed.
I know which one I would prefer they choose...especially since I don't think this guy was the top guy and we're not talking about a 24 level scenario where somebody is about to blow up the country.
Posted by: Lea at August 05, 2016 11:36 AM (lIU4e)
The agent knows something and does he tell and blow cover or let people die scenario has been a thriller staple since, what, there were thrillers?
It just seems that in this scenario there were relatively low cost ways for the FBI guy to notify Garland that there was a problem. Of course, that's based on very limited information so maybe not. But it seems bad.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:38 AM (mf5HN)
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Serious guess, you join a mosque, you start talking hate, you fall in with the crowd, you talk more hate, you get deeper in, and at some point you're getting the magazines and you're in the network.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (pC96u)
Yeah, and that GoatDaddy porn stacks up fast, what with it being a weekly publication. Then there's GoatLightly, GoatFun, UddersRUs, Rustler (wild goat aficionados), and JustKidding for those who like 'em young...
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 05, 2016 11:23 AM (pC96u)
Yeah, and that GoatDaddy porn stacks up fast, what with it being a weekly publication. Then there's GoatLightly, GoatFun, UddersRUs, Rustler (wild goat aficionados), and JustKidding for those who like 'em young...
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 11:38 AM (kXoT0)
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>>So I'm not the only one who reads all of that and takes away the
impression that the FBI was just damn fine with US citizens being
killed?
In Obama's America, that is the norm. What's a few hundred Mexican citizens when arming a cartel will help you end the 2nd Amendment? What's a US consulate and a CIA annex with 30 + people when you have a re-election to win? What's the big deal about more than doubling US casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan when you need to keep your campaign promise of pulling out of those wars? What's more than a few dead seniors when you want to enact sweeping healthcare legislation? And on and on.
impression that the FBI was just damn fine with US citizens being
killed?
In Obama's America, that is the norm. What's a few hundred Mexican citizens when arming a cartel will help you end the 2nd Amendment? What's a US consulate and a CIA annex with 30 + people when you have a re-election to win? What's the big deal about more than doubling US casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan when you need to keep your campaign promise of pulling out of those wars? What's more than a few dead seniors when you want to enact sweeping healthcare legislation? And on and on.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:39 AM (NOIQH)
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the FBI didn't say a damn word
--
That I dispute, somewhat. Too many news 'leaks' of threats in the news media. I'm blanking on the common phrase they use, but those warnings from inside government sources sound too much like weather reports; chance of rain 50%, temperatures falling over night into the low sixties.
--
That I dispute, somewhat. Too many news 'leaks' of threats in the news media. I'm blanking on the common phrase they use, but those warnings from inside government sources sound too much like weather reports; chance of rain 50%, temperatures falling over night into the low sixties.
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:39 AM (NIr24)
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CNN is totally in Hillary's camp, doing everything they can to spin for the democrats and hurt Trump at every opportunity.
However, compared to MSNBC, they are fair and balanced.
I can't see how the federal elections commission isn't finding their programming a campaign contribution. All the masks are off. They aren't even pretending to pretend anymore.
Don't we have lawyers on our side?
However, compared to MSNBC, they are fair and balanced.
I can't see how the federal elections commission isn't finding their programming a campaign contribution. All the masks are off. They aren't even pretending to pretend anymore.
Don't we have lawyers on our side?
Posted by: jwest at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (Zs4uk)
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Waco. We have to burn all those children to the ground because otherwise they might be abused.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (mf5HN)
There was an excellent letter to the editor in our fish wrap yesterday, about all the screw-ups by Hellary as FLOTUS. One of them was her recommendation of Janet Reno to Billy Jeff.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM (mf5HN)
There was an excellent letter to the editor in our fish wrap yesterday, about all the screw-ups by Hellary as FLOTUS. One of them was her recommendation of Janet Reno to Billy Jeff.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (1ZOkK)
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It might be possible for Islam to be reformed, but the truth about reformation is that it would be a totally different religion.
Get back to me after they have had their "reformation" AND 400 years to work out the bugs.
Get back to me after they have had their "reformation" AND 400 years to work out the bugs.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (AY/TT)
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Well a trool just outed themselves with 'East Wind Rain" blather.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (+bQch)
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barky gutted the military, filled it with gays, dumbed down the fbi to the point of keystone cops, paid off iran twice. also, hillary walks around a free person after selling state secrets to the highest bidder. what the hell is so hard to understand about these fuckin crooks. fundamentally chaging america. there you have it. good luck suckers.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (KP5rU)
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Can't let him near the nukes!
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)
The same nukes that Bobo is trying his durndest to give to that bastion of probity and moral superiority, The UN?
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)
The same nukes that Bobo is trying his durndest to give to that bastion of probity and moral superiority, The UN?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (kXoT0)
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Obama helped cause this. We just don't trust him or his administration. They pull shit like Fast and Furious, why not play "Jihadi Joe" and have undercover agents try to cause attacks if they think they can benefit from it.
I don't want to believe that is true. But you cannot ignore the track record either.
I don't want to believe that is true. But you cannot ignore the track record either.
Posted by: Revenant at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (3DSAh)
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146 143 "Did the FBI know or have a high degree of confidence that there were people on their way to Garland and the FBI didn't say a damn word.
Because that? That is very worrisome. "
Well Geller was "expendable."
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:37 AM (O2RFr)
Even more tin-foil-hat - Geller's a real thorn in the side in of the TFG administration on its foreign policy and approach to GFMs. What if they saw this as an opportunity?
Because that? That is very worrisome. "
Well Geller was "expendable."
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:37 AM (O2RFr)
Even more tin-foil-hat - Geller's a real thorn in the side in of the TFG administration on its foreign policy and approach to GFMs. What if they saw this as an opportunity?
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:41 AM (0mRoj)
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Fairfax City Mayor R. Scott Silverthorne, a supporter of Hillary Clinton, was arrested Thursday after allegedly giving methamphetamine to an undercover police officer in exchange for sex.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at August 05, 2016 11:41 AM (XzRw1)
LOLZ to the MAX.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at August 05, 2016 11:41 AM (XzRw1)
LOLZ to the MAX.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 11:41 AM (kXoT0)
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I see a Native American door and I want to paint it African American.
Mmmm mmm mmmm mmmmm mmmm mmmm...
I see a Native American door and I want to paint it African American.
Mmmm mmm mmmm mmmmm mmmm mmmm...
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:42 AM (4r4Qq)
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The FBI has been corrupted beyond repair under the Obama administration. It is being run by stooges of the Muslim Brotherhood regarding profiling, investigations etc etc....
The DHS and State dept. tell incoming refugees/migrants to edit their online profiles to eliminate any pro ISIS propaganda so they don't have to deny them entry into the US...
Our National government has been compromised to an incredible degree....this fundamental transformation is going to get a lot of people killed when the organized bad guy Muslims start to do their thing here in the US.
P.S. I'm not saying ALL Muslims are terrorists. Just that MOST terrorists are Muslims and our government is not vetting any incoming Muslims. This is a recipe for disaster IMHO.
The FBI has been corrupted beyond repair under the Obama administration. It is being run by stooges of the Muslim Brotherhood regarding profiling, investigations etc etc....
The DHS and State dept. tell incoming refugees/migrants to edit their online profiles to eliminate any pro ISIS propaganda so they don't have to deny them entry into the US...
Our National government has been compromised to an incredible degree....this fundamental transformation is going to get a lot of people killed when the organized bad guy Muslims start to do their thing here in the US.
P.S. I'm not saying ALL Muslims are terrorists. Just that MOST terrorists are Muslims and our government is not vetting any incoming Muslims. This is a recipe for disaster IMHO.
Posted by: In Before the Thread dies and votes democrat at August 05, 2016 11:42 AM (Phipy)
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>>I can't see how the federal elections commission isn't finding their programming a campaign contribution. All the masks are off. They aren't even pretending to pretend anymore.
They never have pretended. It was MSNBC that blew up the 47% thing and the binders full of women.
One of Trump's supposed virtues was his ability to fight through all this. He better get busy.
They never have pretended. It was MSNBC that blew up the 47% thing and the binders full of women.
One of Trump's supposed virtues was his ability to fight through all this. He better get busy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:42 AM (/tuJf)
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Bill Clinton lost the Nuke codes for months. Called the biscuit, he could not locate when asked to produce.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (1b+5Z)
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Just once I would like to turn on the computer and read some good news...Crap story after crap story today... I should go back to bed...
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (O2RFr)
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Janet Reno destroyed lives as a Miami-Dade prosecutor by using suspect testimony from children who had been interviewed by ill-trained people. So suddenly south Florida had a couple of high-profile child daycare abuse cases that she milked for all it was worth. Long before Nifong and Mosby, Janet Reno blazed the trail.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (+bQch)
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Don't we have lawyers on our side?
Posted by: jwest at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (Zs4uk)
Welcome to the world of Citizens United...
As long as they don't directly coordinate with a Campaign, they can do and say whatever they want... even if they are supposedly 'Press'.
The question becomes what are 'We', the American people going to do to correct their behavior?
Posted by: jwest at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (Zs4uk)
Welcome to the world of Citizens United...
As long as they don't directly coordinate with a Campaign, they can do and say whatever they want... even if they are supposedly 'Press'.
The question becomes what are 'We', the American people going to do to correct their behavior?
Posted by: Don Q. at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (qf6WZ)
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This kind of absurdity is gonna be our future for the rest of our lives, now. Everyone who knew how to make America functional is out of the work force and in retirement homes or cemeteries. And it's only gonna get worse with each subsequent generation after the Baby Boomers. Every would-be future Isaac Newton is devoting their free time to making ambitious in-game Minecraft projects and playing Kerbel Space Program rather than the understanding of the newest frontiers of the natural world. 21st century Western Civ will just be a cargo cult imitation of the 20th century from here out. My two cents.
Posted by: reform highlander at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (jCH/T)
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The same nukes that Bobo is trying his durndest to give to that bastion of probity and moral superiority, The UN?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (kXoT0)
Dear Lord. The UN. Just read about an outbreak of yellow fever in Congo, and how the UN has "bungled" the response. 22 million vaccines are "missing."
Most useless organization ever.
The same nukes that Bobo is trying his durndest to give to that bastion of probity and moral superiority, The UN?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (kXoT0)
Dear Lord. The UN. Just read about an outbreak of yellow fever in Congo, and how the UN has "bungled" the response. 22 million vaccines are "missing."
Most useless organization ever.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (1ZOkK)
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Conspiracy theory time. The guy who shot the Garland jihadist is an assassin, knew the jihadist was coming and knew what he looked like and was ready to fire before the jihadist made his move.
Conspiracy theory is just too damn easy.
Conspiracy theory is just too damn easy.
Posted by: Dang at August 05, 2016 11:44 AM (k0G44)
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I hold this view about 9/11. They 'knew' something was going to happen,
had a long list of suspects, and didn't want to burn their sources and
methods. They rounded up the ususal suspects much too quickly to be
completely unaware.
***
I forget this guy's name, but a mid level guy at the FBI came out after 9/11 claiming that his data mining program, which was running before 9/11, had established Atta and co were in the US and up to no good - though it didn't have specifics.
His program was suspended though because it also established that a number of American heavy weight politicians (Kerry and Condolezza Rice IIRC) were actually in the employee of foreign governments and no one wanted to touch that issue.
had a long list of suspects, and didn't want to burn their sources and
methods. They rounded up the ususal suspects much too quickly to be
completely unaware.
***
I forget this guy's name, but a mid level guy at the FBI came out after 9/11 claiming that his data mining program, which was running before 9/11, had established Atta and co were in the US and up to no good - though it didn't have specifics.
His program was suspended though because it also established that a number of American heavy weight politicians (Kerry and Condolezza Rice IIRC) were actually in the employee of foreign governments and no one wanted to touch that issue.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 05, 2016 11:44 AM (X7E8f)
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110 Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:29 AM (+bQch)
Marvel Ms Puma...we *will* be playing Marvel Super Heroes RPG on the drive...
Wife is designated dice roller on the phone app....
God speed and God bless.
Marvel Ms Puma...we *will* be playing Marvel Super Heroes RPG on the drive...
Wife is designated dice roller on the phone app....
God speed and God bless.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:44 AM (SzZnW)
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125 Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:31 AM (Enq6K)
Home to Ohio, I want to visit my sister and family.
She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Home to Ohio, I want to visit my sister and family.
She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
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Who let the nutters in here?
Posted by: Dang at August 05, 2016 11:46 AM (k0G44)
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161
Obama helped cause this. We just don't trust him or his administration.
They pull shit like Fast and Furious, why not play "Jihadi Joe" and have
undercover agents try to cause attacks if they think they can benefit
from it.
I don't want to believe that is true. But you cannot ignore the track record either.
Posted by: Revenant at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (3DSAh)
So I guess there isn't one friggin' FBI agent that says to themselves "Wait a minute....if I'm a FBI agent doing this here (where ever here is) and it could get people killed, couldn't there be other FBI agents doing the same thing near where my loved ones live/work/play? Maybe I should say something."
And I'm not talking about times where they supply the fake whatevers to Jihaddist....I'm talking about times like this one where Ahmed has real guns and bombs.
Obama helped cause this. We just don't trust him or his administration.
They pull shit like Fast and Furious, why not play "Jihadi Joe" and have
undercover agents try to cause attacks if they think they can benefit
from it.
I don't want to believe that is true. But you cannot ignore the track record either.
Posted by: Revenant at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM (3DSAh)
So I guess there isn't one friggin' FBI agent that says to themselves "Wait a minute....if I'm a FBI agent doing this here (where ever here is) and it could get people killed, couldn't there be other FBI agents doing the same thing near where my loved ones live/work/play? Maybe I should say something."
And I'm not talking about times where they supply the fake whatevers to Jihaddist....I'm talking about times like this one where Ahmed has real guns and bombs.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:46 AM (Enq6K)
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Hey,
what me worry?
Don't you recall Obama said that we are a big country, and we can absorb a lot of terrorist attacks and it won't bring us down?
Excepting of course, if you are one of the 'absorbers'
Pretty free with American lives, but then democrats always have been. I seem to recall they allowed Vietnam to 'absorb' about 58,000 or so.
Hey,
what me worry?
Don't you recall Obama said that we are a big country, and we can absorb a lot of terrorist attacks and it won't bring us down?
Excepting of course, if you are one of the 'absorbers'
Pretty free with American lives, but then democrats always have been. I seem to recall they allowed Vietnam to 'absorb' about 58,000 or so.
Posted by: Put that kid back where it came from or So Help Me at August 05, 2016 11:46 AM (HPNqc)
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Well a trool just outed themselves with 'East Wind Rain" blather.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM
Trool ... I like. Troll and tool in one word. Consider it stolen. However, I will pay a royalty payment redeemable for 1/10 of .01 discount on future purchases.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:40 AM
Trool ... I like. Troll and tool in one word. Consider it stolen. However, I will pay a royalty payment redeemable for 1/10 of .01 discount on future purchases.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 05, 2016 11:46 AM (ZnIt3)
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Janet Reno destroyed lives as a Miami-Dade prosecutor by using suspect testimony from children who had been interviewed by ill-trained people. So suddenly south Florida had a couple of high-profile child daycare abuse cases that she milked for all it was worth. Long before Nifong and Mosby, Janet Reno blazed the trail.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (+bQch)
Oh. Oh I had forgotten about that.
*eyetwitch*
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (+bQch)
Oh. Oh I had forgotten about that.
*eyetwitch*
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (mf5HN)
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108 Isn't it an old joke that KKK meetings are now made up of 4 FBI guys talking to 3 Secret Service guys?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN
*ahem*
3 How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
But... but.. but... the greatest terrorist threat in the US right now comes from white supremacist groups.
I know this because our DOJ, who in 2011 ordered words such as 'jihad' and 'Islamist' scrubbed from the FBI counter-terrorism training materials, tells us so, and they wouldn't lie.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:22 AM (mf5HN
*ahem*
3 How's the joke go? Something about arriving at the Klan rally and its all Feds and just one true believer.
Posted by: buzzion at August 05, 2016 11:05 AM (bMG0w)
But... but.. but... the greatest terrorist threat in the US right now comes from white supremacist groups.
I know this because our DOJ, who in 2011 ordered words such as 'jihad' and 'Islamist' scrubbed from the FBI counter-terrorism training materials, tells us so, and they wouldn't lie.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (9biqG)
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To be fair, the FBI has shown to be arrogantly incompetent for a couple of decades now. The unabomber, the Olympic bombing, 9/11 and the anthrax attacks to name a few. I realize though we don't really hear about their successes.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (1b+5Z)
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They Polly wanted Pamela Geller dead. Big surprise . The fish rots from the head.
Posted by: Excesior at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (85RJ5)
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Sven I can suddenly imagine Sheldon arguing that a phone app dice roll program is completely unfair because 'how do you know it uses a radomizer to generate the rolls?'
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (+bQch)
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Home to Ohio, I want to visit my sister and family.
She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
Oh I'm so sorry to hear that sven.
I hope those sweet memories will sustain you.
She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
Oh I'm so sorry to hear that sven.
I hope those sweet memories will sustain you.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (Enq6K)
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Oh I'm so sorry to hear that sven.
I hope those sweet memories will sustain you.
Me too . Have a safe journey...
I hope those sweet memories will sustain you.
Me too . Have a safe journey...
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (O2RFr)
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by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (9biqG)
That perception will be increased with the new movie coming out starring Harry Potter.
That perception will be increased with the new movie coming out starring Harry Potter.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (1b+5Z)
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Oh my: Featured Dem Spaeker Kahn is pro Sharia, constitution was a prop/lie.
That will play well in the heartland.
That will play well in the heartland.
Posted by: charles at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (ZQiyP)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (4ng05)
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the the FBI has been on a downward spiral for years.
The FBI is accountants with guns. Edit to add GS level accountants with guns. They are bureaucratic stooges. Obambi has had 8 years to resift all fed bureaus into his own liking, and this idiocy is the result. And, it's only going to get worse.
The FBI is accountants with guns. Edit to add GS level accountants with guns. They are bureaucratic stooges. Obambi has had 8 years to resift all fed bureaus into his own liking, and this idiocy is the result. And, it's only going to get worse.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (SeD0w)
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169 Janet Reno destroyed lives as a Miami-Dade prosecutor by using suspect testimony from children who had been interviewed by ill-trained people. So suddenly south Florida had a couple of high-profile child daycare abuse cases that she milked for all it was worth. Long before Nifong and Mosby, Janet Reno blazed the trail.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (+bQch)
See the case of Bobby Fijnje. She destroyed that poor kid's life.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (+bQch)
See the case of Bobby Fijnje. She destroyed that poor kid's life.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:49 AM (0mRoj)
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reform highlander: Disagree. Games like minecraft and KSP will inspire a lot more. Hell, it's a favorite among practing aero-engs I know.
Posted by: GeoSTI at August 05, 2016 11:49 AM (0e/Wy)
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obama loves gun violence -- gives him an opprtunity to 1) make a case for gun control and 2) blame Republicans and put them on defensive.
obama.Loves.Gun.Violence.
It's good for 'business,' as they say.
obama loves gun violence -- gives him an opprtunity to 1) make a case for gun control and 2) blame Republicans and put them on defensive.
obama.Loves.Gun.Violence.
It's good for 'business,' as they say.
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (4r4Qq)
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Home to Ohio, I want to visit my sister and family.
She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
God bless, sven. And safe journey.
She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
God bless, sven. And safe journey.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (1ZOkK)
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I think your supposed to capture the guy just before the badness happens...at least according to the movies
Posted by: A dude in MI at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (0LQ4f)
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To be fair, the FBI has shown to be arrogantly incompetent for a couple of decades now. The unabomber, the Olympic bombing, 9/11 and the anthrax attacks to name a few. I realize though we don't really hear about their successes.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (1b+5Z)
If you want to have fun, by which I mean tear your hair out in rage, go look up all the utter incompetence in the Platinum Standard FBI forensics labs.
Let's see, off the top of my head, arson starting point analysis was more or less made up completely. Bite mark patterns? Same. Hair fiber analysis? Not so much with the reliable.
But, remember, folks on the jury. This stuff was reviewed by the FBI labs and those are even better than the ones on CSI.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:47 AM (1b+5Z)
If you want to have fun, by which I mean tear your hair out in rage, go look up all the utter incompetence in the Platinum Standard FBI forensics labs.
Let's see, off the top of my head, arson starting point analysis was more or less made up completely. Bite mark patterns? Same. Hair fiber analysis? Not so much with the reliable.
But, remember, folks on the jury. This stuff was reviewed by the FBI labs and those are even better than the ones on CSI.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (mf5HN)
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167 Bill Clinton lost the Nuke codes for months. Called the biscuit, he could not locate when asked to produce.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (1b+5Z)
Prolly set it down somewhere in a pr0n shop and then forgot about it.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:43 AM (1b+5Z)
Prolly set it down somewhere in a pr0n shop and then forgot about it.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (9biqG)
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Sorry for giving you the *eyetwitch* Empress.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:51 AM (+bQch)
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It's a trap!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 05, 2016 11:51 AM (so+oy)
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>>obama loves gun violence -- gives him an opprtunity to 1) make a case
for gun control and 2) blame Republicans and put them on defensive.
3) Stifle anti-Islam speech. Pair this with the fake Benghazi narrative abot a filmmaker inflaming the ME with his pesky free speech.
for gun control and 2) blame Republicans and put them on defensive.
3) Stifle anti-Islam speech. Pair this with the fake Benghazi narrative abot a filmmaker inflaming the ME with his pesky free speech.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:51 AM (NOIQH)
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what was not told was how good of a shot the everyday officer providing security was. took them both out with hand gun. excellent gun control.
Screw the FBI playing chicken with my home!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the FBI playing chicken with my home!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: talgus at August 05, 2016 11:51 AM (UaPF2)
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She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077
Prayers. Mine. You have them.
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077
Prayers. Mine. You have them.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:52 AM (AY/TT)
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Re Janet Reno, let's not forget Elian Gonzalez. Nothing like pointing a weapon at a terrified child's head and sending him home to the very place his mother died trying to free him from.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:52 AM (1ZOkK)
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He stands with Islam.
Posted by: Grump928(c) vents at August 05, 2016 11:52 AM (evdj2)
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Oh my: Featured Dem Spaeker Kahn is pro Sharia, constitution was a prop/lie.
That will play well in the heartland.
Posted by: charles at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (ZQiyP)
Media will not let that angle get legs. They have been and will be, busy banging the drum about how Melania is an illegal and, what should be blowing everybody's minds is that this is the only time - for only one person - in the last 20 years, that the left has been concerned about a potentially illegal immigrant being in the country. And now it's a CRISIS.
That will play well in the heartland.
Posted by: charles at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (ZQiyP)
Media will not let that angle get legs. They have been and will be, busy banging the drum about how Melania is an illegal and, what should be blowing everybody's minds is that this is the only time - for only one person - in the last 20 years, that the left has been concerned about a potentially illegal immigrant being in the country. And now it's a CRISIS.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 05, 2016 11:52 AM (4ng05)
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206
Oh my: Featured Dem Spaeker Kahn is pro Sharia, constitution was a prop/lie.
The MFM will never mention that factoid. Even Fox hasn't brought it up.
Oh my: Featured Dem Spaeker Kahn is pro Sharia, constitution was a prop/lie.
The MFM will never mention that factoid. Even Fox hasn't brought it up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (1ZOkK)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (mf5HN)
Definitely. I blame that on the FBI oversight being non experts who just accepted the 'experts' explanation why this was valid science and would not listen to anyone else.
Definitely. I blame that on the FBI oversight being non experts who just accepted the 'experts' explanation why this was valid science and would not listen to anyone else.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (1b+5Z)
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# 189 was just featured on Drudge who linked to Gateway.
Posted by: charles at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (ZQiyP)
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That perception will be increased with the new movie coming out starring Harry Potter.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (1b+5Z)
Seriously? Great.
My favorite was when Hollywood changed the plot of a Tom Clancy novel from Muslim-terrorists-get-hold-of-a-nuke to White-trash-neo-nazis-get-hold-of-a-nuke, because that's so much more believable.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:48 AM (1b+5Z)
Seriously? Great.
My favorite was when Hollywood changed the plot of a Tom Clancy novel from Muslim-terrorists-get-hold-of-a-nuke to White-trash-neo-nazis-get-hold-of-a-nuke, because that's so much more believable.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (9biqG)
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"comes amidst a national debate"
These "national debates" these idiot media types create....
I hear the breathless sonorous tones emanating from the piehole of the crooked headed pederast on NBC News Brain Williams....
"comes amidst a national debate"
These "national debates" these idiot media types create....
I hear the breathless sonorous tones emanating from the piehole of the crooked headed pederast on NBC News Brain Williams....
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (mop5z)
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>>Long before Nifong and Mosby, Janet Reno blazed the trail.
At around the same time, Martha Coakley was the AG of Massachusetts. She railroaded a whole family with trumped up charges of child abuse. It was outrageous what she did and she still went on to a prominent political career. Check out the Fells Acres case for the info.
Guess what party she belongs to?
At around the same time, Martha Coakley was the AG of Massachusetts. She railroaded a whole family with trumped up charges of child abuse. It was outrageous what she did and she still went on to a prominent political career. Check out the Fells Acres case for the info.
Guess what party she belongs to?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (+bQch)
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The affidavit raises a lot more questions than it answers, and I would hope that overseers within Congress and the Justice Department would want to take a hard look at the scope of this investigation
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Congress and DOJ take a hard look? All depends what the preordained final determinations are at stake.
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Congress and DOJ take a hard look? All depends what the preordained final determinations are at stake.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 05, 2016 11:56 AM (voOPb)
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Fairfax City Mayor R. Scott Silverthorne, a supporter of Hillary Clinton,"
Is this in the same Virginia that, we are regularly assured, just desperately wants to vote "R"?
Suuure.
Is this in the same Virginia that, we are regularly assured, just desperately wants to vote "R"?
Suuure.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 05, 2016 11:56 AM (C9pBZ)
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213 Lunch time
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/vintage-airline-food-meal-16.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (+bQch)
Back when they served real food.
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/vintage-airline-food-meal-16.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (+bQch)
Back when they served real food.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (0mRoj)
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At around the same time, Martha Coakley was the AG of Massachusetts. She railroaded a whole family with trumped up charges of child abuse. It was outrageous what she did and she still went on to a prominent political career. Check out the Fells Acres case for the info.
And Tookie Amirault spent a decade or so in jail after everyone knew it was bogus.
And Tookie Amirault spent a decade or so in jail after everyone knew it was bogus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (mgbwf)
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Steer clear of the media today unless you don't mind having a stroke....
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 05, 2016 11:58 AM (C9pBZ)
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our government has been at war with it's own people since the days of woodrow wilson. if not before. they are inherently evil.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 05, 2016 11:58 AM (KP5rU)
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Folks ... I've got bad news. I'll try to be gentle. Have a seat.
If it's a Federal Agency ... it's trying to fvck you. One way or another.
There. Glad we got that cleared up.
If it's a Federal Agency ... it's trying to fvck you. One way or another.
There. Glad we got that cleared up.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 05, 2016 11:58 AM (U0YOh)
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I have totally lost my faith, in what is said and reported. Sad to say, mistrust and cynicism is spilling over in to my life, and it does have an effect on some personal relationships. An old song goes through my head
When the truth is found
to be lies
And all the love within you dies
I did not understand what that meant, when I was young. Funny, isn't it, that this loss of faith came so late in life?
When the truth is found
to be lies
And all the love within you dies
I did not understand what that meant, when I was young. Funny, isn't it, that this loss of faith came so late in life?
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 11:58 AM (d6TTt)
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So I guess there isn't one friggin' FBI
agent that says to themselves "Wait a minute....if I'm a FBI agent doing
this here (where ever here is) and it could get people killed, couldn't
there be other FBI agents doing the same thing near where my loved ones
live/work/play? Maybe I should say something."
And I'm not talking
about times where they supply the fake whatevers to Jihaddist....I'm
talking about times like this one where Ahmed has real guns and bombs.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:46 AM (Enq6K)
--No-one has come forward, as far as I know. And no-one has come forward with leaks regarding the Hillary investigation.I see alot of shrugged shoulders and "what difference at this point, does it make?"
agent that says to themselves "Wait a minute....if I'm a FBI agent doing
this here (where ever here is) and it could get people killed, couldn't
there be other FBI agents doing the same thing near where my loved ones
live/work/play? Maybe I should say something."
And I'm not talking
about times where they supply the fake whatevers to Jihaddist....I'm
talking about times like this one where Ahmed has real guns and bombs.
Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2016 11:46 AM (Enq6K)
--No-one has come forward, as far as I know. And no-one has come forward with leaks regarding the Hillary investigation.I see alot of shrugged shoulders and "what difference at this point, does it make?"
Posted by: Revenant at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (3DSAh)
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Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (9biqG)
The movie is called Imperium. Daniel Radcliffe infiltrates white power group. Can't tell from the previews if it has a political message or if the white power subject is just the tool to make a powerful drama.
The movie is called Imperium. Daniel Radcliffe infiltrates white power group. Can't tell from the previews if it has a political message or if the white power subject is just the tool to make a powerful drama.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (1b+5Z)
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>>My favorite was when Hollywood changed the plot of a Tom Clancy novel
from Muslim-terrorists-get-hold-of-a-nuke to
White-trash-neo-nazis-get-hold-of-a-nuke, because that's so much more
believable.
And also, they were more concerned about Muslim feelings than regular citizens' feelings by putting out a movie about nuking the president in a Baltimore sports stadium just 9 months after 9/11.
It was way TOO SOON for me, as a then-resident of the DC area who had watched them airlift bodies out of the Pentagon as it spewed black smoke on 9/11.
from Muslim-terrorists-get-hold-of-a-nuke to
White-trash-neo-nazis-get-hold-of-a-nuke, because that's so much more
believable.
And also, they were more concerned about Muslim feelings than regular citizens' feelings by putting out a movie about nuking the president in a Baltimore sports stadium just 9 months after 9/11.
It was way TOO SOON for me, as a then-resident of the DC area who had watched them airlift bodies out of the Pentagon as it spewed black smoke on 9/11.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (NOIQH)
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Alright, take this entrapment arguement and flip it over. Instead of encouraging a suspect to commit the crime how about discouraging the suspect. He doesn't do the deed.
Does that count as a win? You stopped the thing from ever happening.
What is your intent, to get someone arrested, or prevent death and destruction?
Alright, take this entrapment arguement and flip it over. Instead of encouraging a suspect to commit the crime how about discouraging the suspect. He doesn't do the deed.
Does that count as a win? You stopped the thing from ever happening.
What is your intent, to get someone arrested, or prevent death and destruction?
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (NIr24)
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Back when they served real food.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (0mRoj)
Back before pat-downs by pervs, removing shoes, belts, jewelry, having shampoo confiscated, and in general being treated like a criminal for trying to get from point A to point B.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (0mRoj)
Back before pat-downs by pervs, removing shoes, belts, jewelry, having shampoo confiscated, and in general being treated like a criminal for trying to get from point A to point B.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (1ZOkK)
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What is your intent, to get someone arrested, or prevent death and destruction?
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (NIr24)
To get an arrest. That boosts stats and gets funding.
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (NIr24)
To get an arrest. That boosts stats and gets funding.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 12:00 PM (0mRoj)
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Empress - http://www.ufunk.net/gadgets/antique-vibrator-museum/
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:01 PM (+bQch)
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Gee...a government bureaucrat playing undercover spreading BS just so he can look good.
Wow...color me surprised.
Wow...color me surprised.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 05, 2016 12:01 PM (r65B3)
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 12:01 PM (NIr24)
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Back before pat-downs by pervs, removing shoes, belts, jewelry, having shampoo confiscated, and in general being treated like a criminal for trying to get from point A to point B.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (1ZOkK)
That too. Flying used to be fun. Now it's like checking in for a prison visit.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (1ZOkK)
That too. Flying used to be fun. Now it's like checking in for a prison visit.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (0mRoj)
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If you want to have fun, by which I mean tear your hair out in rage, go look up all the utter incompetence in the Platinum Standard FBI forensics labs.
Let's see, off the top of my head, arson starting point analysis was more or less made up completely. Bite mark patterns? Same. Hair fiber analysis? Not so much with the reliable.
But, remember, folks on the jury. This stuff was reviewed by the FBI labs and those are even better than the ones on CSI.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (mf5HN)
***************************************
And then sold to the gullible public on shows like Forensic Files. I swear they had a "forensic garbage bag analysis" on one of those. It taints juries to this day. And almost NONE of is stands up to independent scrutiny.
Let's see, off the top of my head, arson starting point analysis was more or less made up completely. Bite mark patterns? Same. Hair fiber analysis? Not so much with the reliable.
But, remember, folks on the jury. This stuff was reviewed by the FBI labs and those are even better than the ones on CSI.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 05, 2016 11:50 AM (mf5HN)
***************************************
And then sold to the gullible public on shows like Forensic Files. I swear they had a "forensic garbage bag analysis" on one of those. It taints juries to this day. And almost NONE of is stands up to independent scrutiny.
Posted by: Alex #11 at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (EUMt/)
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Rio is full of such winning... they lose the key to the Olympic stadium.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
235
At around the same time, Martha Coakley was the AG of Massachusetts. She railroaded a whole family with trumped up charges of child abuse. It was outrageous what she did and she still went on to a prominent political career. Check out the Fells Acres case for the info.
Guess what party she belongs to?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (/tuJf)
And didn't the main defendant in that case languish in prison *even after* it was determined he was innocent? In fact, is he still in prison, or was he finally let out?
Guess what party she belongs to?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (/tuJf)
And didn't the main defendant in that case languish in prison *even after* it was determined he was innocent? In fact, is he still in prison, or was he finally let out?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (9biqG)
Posted by: nip at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (L5nkE)
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That too. Flying used to be fun. Now it's like checking in for a prison visit.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (0mRoj)
People used to dress up, too. Now you're lucky if you're not stuck next to someone with nasty feet wearing flip-flops.
That too. Flying used to be fun. Now it's like checking in for a prison visit.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (0mRoj)
People used to dress up, too. Now you're lucky if you're not stuck next to someone with nasty feet wearing flip-flops.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 12:03 PM (1ZOkK)
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Does that count as a win? You stopped the thing from ever happening.
What is your intent, to get someone arrested, or prevent death and destruction?
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (NIr24)
Our government? Yes.
What is your intent, to get someone arrested, or prevent death and destruction?
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 11:59 AM (NIr24)
Our government? Yes.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 05, 2016 12:03 PM (voOPb)
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The MFM will never mention that factoid. Even Fox hasn't brought it up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (1ZOkK)
Exactly,Trump made a huge mistake going after Kahn all this stuff coming out about Kahn will never see the light of day,the damage is already done.The only way it will matter is if Kahn stays on the campaign trail as a surrogate for Clinton,and that ain't going to happen.
The MFM will never mention that factoid. Even Fox hasn't brought it up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 11:54 AM (1ZOkK)
Exactly,Trump made a huge mistake going after Kahn all this stuff coming out about Kahn will never see the light of day,the damage is already done.The only way it will matter is if Kahn stays on the campaign trail as a surrogate for Clinton,and that ain't going to happen.
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That too. Flying used to be fun. Now it's like checking in for a prison visit.>>>
Once a Keister bomber succeeds in getting on a plane it will be even worse.
Once a Keister bomber succeeds in getting on a plane it will be even worse.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 05, 2016 12:04 PM (aVYsC)
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This undercover behavior is totally consistent with the standard narc, undercover playbook. Everyone who survived the 70s knows to never trust the member who is pressing for action.
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The affidavit does not specify what the undercover responded to questions about size and security.
Looks like he forgot to mention that there would be someone there to return fire.
Looks like he forgot to mention that there would be someone there to return fire.
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Rio is full of such winning... they lose the key to the Olympic stadium.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
I can't imagine going to Rio. Heard this morning that in addition to the raw sewage, hospital waste, and other trash in the water, they've found body parts.
Rio is full of such winning... they lose the key to the Olympic stadium.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
I can't imagine going to Rio. Heard this morning that in addition to the raw sewage, hospital waste, and other trash in the water, they've found body parts.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 12:05 PM (1ZOkK)
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>>And Tookie Amirault spent a decade or so in jail after everyone knew it was bogus.
18 years. I can't even imagine how angry I would be if that happened to me. I remember seeing him in an interview after he got out and his dignity was amazing.
Even when he was paroled he was still labeled as a convicted sex offender which made it difficult for him to find any sort of job.
Coakley is such a scumbag.
18 years. I can't even imagine how angry I would be if that happened to me. I remember seeing him in an interview after he got out and his dignity was amazing.
Even when he was paroled he was still labeled as a convicted sex offender which made it difficult for him to find any sort of job.
Coakley is such a scumbag.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 12:05 PM (/tuJf)
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The FBI is a joke agency
J. Edgar had a deliberate public relations campagin to see to it the general public never thought of the FBI as a joke. It was a different public back then.
J. Edgar had a deliberate public relations campagin to see to it the general public never thought of the FBI as a joke. It was a different public back then.
Posted by: Wellingtame Hoggleshope at August 05, 2016 12:05 PM (NIr24)
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Setting a sting means creating a CONTROLLED situation and luring the suspect into it. A trap, as it were. You limit collateral damage to the best of your ability. You don't agitate a violent or unstable person to go down to the local public elementary school and shoot up the class, and THEN show up and do some arrestin'.
Unless you want to send a message to the victims as well. And who was shot up here? An Draw Moo-hammed show? Gee, could the Administration have an issue with such displays? I wonder.
Unless you want to send a message to the victims as well. And who was shot up here? An Draw Moo-hammed show? Gee, could the Administration have an issue with such displays? I wonder.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 05, 2016 12:05 PM (nWmg2)
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As a "journalist" (an occasional commenter on smart military blogs) I had planned on going under deep cover to urge heavily armed militants to attack federal government offices in DC and drag agency heads outside to string up on lamp posts.
Now I'm getting the distinct impression that that sort of thing will be frowned upon by everyone but the FBI.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Now I'm getting the distinct impression that that sort of thing will be frowned upon by everyone but the FBI.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 05, 2016 12:05 PM (VhlKn)
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Has federal law enforcement done a damn thing to curb Islamic terror?
This is why I can never support things like warrantless wiretapping, its not going to protect us and is simply another tool for a political agency.
This is why I can never support things like warrantless wiretapping, its not going to protect us and is simply another tool for a political agency.
Posted by: Maritime at August 05, 2016 12:06 PM (1NTNJ)
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STFU, Megan McCain. She's on a rant about Trump not supporting Kelly Ayotte, because millenials!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 12:06 PM (1ZOkK)
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At around the same time, Martha Coakley was the AG of Massachusetts. She railroaded a whole family with trumped up charges of child abuse. It was outrageous what she did and she still went on to a prominent political career. Check out the Fells Acres case for the info.
Guess what party she belongs to?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2016 11:55 AM (/tuJf)
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That one is crazy, but then there's also the whopper of the McMartin pre-school case.
Guess what party she belongs to?
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That one is crazy, but then there's also the whopper of the McMartin pre-school case.
Posted by: Alex #11 at August 05, 2016 12:07 PM (EUMt/)
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Prayers to you and yours, sven. May even the roughest roads be smoothed.
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What if they've got well manicured feet, Jane.
You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles.
You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 05, 2016 12:07 PM (U0YOh)
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60 Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
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Bet on it. My brother works in govt. IT security, and has regaled me some stories. The amount of foreign involvement in media, etc. is off the charts and should be criminally investigated. So our own govt. doing it is a given.
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Bet on it. My brother works in govt. IT security, and has regaled me some stories. The amount of foreign involvement in media, etc. is off the charts and should be criminally investigated. So our own govt. doing it is a given.
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On the plus side, if the FBI and other federal agenciesare any indication, the newly formed Homeland Outreach Program *cough* secret police *cough* in an authoritarian socialistHillary Clinton Administration will almost certainly be cartoonily inept, so we've got that going for us.
Posted by: troyriser at August 05, 2016 12:08 PM (OGbEB)
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STFU, Megan McCain. She's on a rant about Trump not supporting Kelly Ayotte, because millenials!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 12:06 PM (1ZOkK)
Sad, isn't it, that a person like her actually has anyone pay attention to her opinions. Says a lot about the country.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 05, 2016 12:06 PM (1ZOkK)
Sad, isn't it, that a person like her actually has anyone pay attention to her opinions. Says a lot about the country.
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 12:08 PM (d6TTt)
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The ritual abuse craze of the 80s was utterly insane.
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Now I'm getting the distinct impression that that sort of thing will be frowned upon by everyone but the FBI.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Well now that you've mentioned it in opened channels, it's a bad idea.
Geez, you can ignore my rants about fixing society, but do try to pay attention when I go off about OpSec...sheesh...
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Well now that you've mentioned it in opened channels, it's a bad idea.
Geez, you can ignore my rants about fixing society, but do try to pay attention when I go off about OpSec...sheesh...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 05, 2016 12:09 PM (9krrF)
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The FBI has lost all credibility since the Hillary charade.
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Sad, isn't it, that a person like her actually has anyone pay attention to her opinions. Says a lot about the country.
Yes, we are most certainly screwed...
Yes, we are most certainly screwed...
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:09 PM (O2RFr)
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The FBI has lost all credibility since the Hillary charade.
Yes... What happened to the mass "resignations?"
Yes... What happened to the mass "resignations?"
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God Bless you all, Sven. I pray that she has only good days while you are there.
I lost a beloved Aunt to early onset dementia. I can still remember how it felt when she looked at me and said, "I know I love that face, but, I don't know who it is." She was my Dad's only sister and I look like my Dad and her. I was always being mistaken for her sister or daughter.
I lost a beloved Aunt to early onset dementia. I can still remember how it felt when she looked at me and said, "I know I love that face, but, I don't know who it is." She was my Dad's only sister and I look like my Dad and her. I was always being mistaken for her sister or daughter.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 12:10 PM (kXoT0)
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You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles.
Go on........
Go on........
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 12:11 PM (AY/TT)
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Agoraphobia is an "extreme or irrational fear of crowded spaces or enclosed public places."
Islamophobia is a bullshit made up word the left uses to brand us as neurotic extremists who have this "extreme or irrational fear of Islam."
The only group in the political spectrum with extreme or irrational fears is the left; who fear the anti Islamic backlash. Since 9/11 Islamic terrorists have killed 20,000 people. The total for the Islamic backlash is 1; a convenience store clerk who was shot immediately after 9/11.
What ever "fear" people have of Islam is neither extreme nor irrational. We aren't the crazy people, and Islamophobia is a word we absolutely need to stop using as it cedes the "playing field" and "moral high ground" to the insane left.
Fear of a man eating lion is sane and normal - it would be insane not to be afraid of one when confronted by it. Fear of the violent and murderous wing of Islam is also sane and normal.
Islamophobia is a bullshit made up word the left uses to brand us as neurotic extremists who have this "extreme or irrational fear of Islam."
The only group in the political spectrum with extreme or irrational fears is the left; who fear the anti Islamic backlash. Since 9/11 Islamic terrorists have killed 20,000 people. The total for the Islamic backlash is 1; a convenience store clerk who was shot immediately after 9/11.
What ever "fear" people have of Islam is neither extreme nor irrational. We aren't the crazy people, and Islamophobia is a word we absolutely need to stop using as it cedes the "playing field" and "moral high ground" to the insane left.
Fear of a man eating lion is sane and normal - it would be insane not to be afraid of one when confronted by it. Fear of the violent and murderous wing of Islam is also sane and normal.
Posted by: An Observation at August 05, 2016 12:11 PM (KAF4o)
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Yes... What happened to the mass "resignations?"
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:09 PM (O2RFr)
Federal pensions are a helluva thing. Federal benefits in general are a helluva thing.
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:09 PM (O2RFr)
Federal pensions are a helluva thing. Federal benefits in general are a helluva thing.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 05, 2016 12:11 PM (kXoT0)
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Bet on it. My brother works in govt. IT security, and has regaled me some stories. The amount of foreign involvement in media, etc. is off the charts and should be criminally investigated. So our own govt. doing it is a given.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 05, 2016 12:07 PM (nWmg2)
Yeah. All I can say to that is they can go fuck themselves. I am past being worried about that sort of thing. They know every damned thing about me anyway. I will voice my opinions, when I choose.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 05, 2016 12:07 PM (nWmg2)
Yeah. All I can say to that is they can go fuck themselves. I am past being worried about that sort of thing. They know every damned thing about me anyway. I will voice my opinions, when I choose.
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 12:11 PM (d6TTt)
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I bet Mossad could get into that stadium in Rio.
The older I get, the less appealing S America is to me. Guess I wasted all of those years of Spanish por nada. Gracias por todo, Senor Calvo.
And Maetenloch, thanks for posting all of the O/N threads. You seem like a good chap and maybe we'll meet somehow in the next life.
The older I get, the less appealing S America is to me. Guess I wasted all of those years of Spanish por nada. Gracias por todo, Senor Calvo.
And Maetenloch, thanks for posting all of the O/N threads. You seem like a good chap and maybe we'll meet somehow in the next life.
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252 What if they've got well manicured feet, Jane.
You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 05, 2016 12:07 PM (U0YOh)
Bunk.
You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 05, 2016 12:07 PM (U0YOh)
Bunk.
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"219 was just featured on Drudge who linked to Gateway"
So that means what, 47 people saw it?"
47 ...... Or two million unique daily visitors. Been awhile since I posted here, a lot more sucky pouty types now.
So that means what, 47 people saw it?"
47 ...... Or two million unique daily visitors. Been awhile since I posted here, a lot more sucky pouty types now.
Posted by: charles at August 05, 2016 12:12 PM (ZQiyP)
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Here's a thing. A while ago I signed up for Google Rewards on my smartphone to gain "money" to be used in various game apps. You get ten or twenty cents to spend whenever you answer a customer survey, stuff like that. The first "survey question" after I entered my e-mail, etc. was, "Do you generally support the goals of the United Nations?". I thought that was pretty creepy, never used the app again, forgot about it. I just got an alert that a new survey was available, and I clicked it out of curiosity. The questions were "Are you a registered voter?", "Which of these best describes your political beliefs" and some other similar question. I clicked "I prefer not to say" for all of them. I wonder if everyone gets the same questions or I just got "Lucky".
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 05, 2016 12:12 PM (2cS/G)
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Islam is an anachronism, and the principle ideas underlying it that essentially promote and justify murder under prescribed circumstances, are anachronistic and should have no place in society - anywhere.
It might be possible for Islam to be reformed, but the truth about reformation is that it would be a totally different religion. That actually might be ok as well, especially if an analysis of Judaism and Christianity, and their reformations through time have resulted in totally different religions, as well.
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The equation of "anachronistic"--- (you are using it in the sense of "old-fashioned" or "backward")--- with "bad" is a progressivist conceit. Tuesday is not always better than Monday and the Third Reich is not necessarily better than the Weimar Republic.
The US Constitution is "anachronistic" in that it doesn't fit in with modern, progressive ideology and government. But that does not mean it is bad. Maybe it's too damned good for us now.
The problem with Islam is not that it is a 7th century religion but that it is a BAD religion and always has been. Buddhism is MUCH older yet it has ALWAYs been superior.
And BTW, your statement that Judaism and Christianity have reformed themselves to the point of being "totally different religions" is unmitigated bunk.
Islam is an anachronism, and the principle ideas underlying it that essentially promote and justify murder under prescribed circumstances, are anachronistic and should have no place in society - anywhere.
It might be possible for Islam to be reformed, but the truth about reformation is that it would be a totally different religion. That actually might be ok as well, especially if an analysis of Judaism and Christianity, and their reformations through time have resulted in totally different religions, as well.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM
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The equation of "anachronistic"--- (you are using it in the sense of "old-fashioned" or "backward")--- with "bad" is a progressivist conceit. Tuesday is not always better than Monday and the Third Reich is not necessarily better than the Weimar Republic.
The US Constitution is "anachronistic" in that it doesn't fit in with modern, progressive ideology and government. But that does not mean it is bad. Maybe it's too damned good for us now.
The problem with Islam is not that it is a 7th century religion but that it is a BAD religion and always has been. Buddhism is MUCH older yet it has ALWAYs been superior.
And BTW, your statement that Judaism and Christianity have reformed themselves to the point of being "totally different religions" is unmitigated bunk.
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U know what happened in Paris,Simpson responded. So that goes without saying No need to be direct
I take thisas Simpson telling the undercover FBI agent to shut up, he is being too specific and he is talking to openly in a text.He is actually thinking about operational security,If this didn't make you think the guy was actually very serious I don't no what would
U know what happened in Paris,Simpson responded. So that goes without saying No need to be direct
I take thisas Simpson telling the undercover FBI agent to shut up, he is being too specific and he is talking to openly in a text.He is actually thinking about operational security,If this didn't make you think the guy was actually very serious I don't no what would
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 05, 2016 12:13 PM (lKyWE)
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Islamophobia is a bullshit made up word the left uses to brand us as neurotic extremists who have this "extreme or irrational fear of Islam."
Nothing extreme or irrational about it. When your religion calls for killing non-believers.......
Nothing extreme or irrational about it. When your religion calls for killing non-believers.......
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 12:13 PM (AY/TT)
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Recall that FBI agent Joe Pistone became this close to becoming a made guy in the Bonnano family. He was ordered by Sonny "Black" Napolitano to whack somebody.
And of course, after 6 years undercover the FBI shut down the operation.
Recall that FBI agent Joe Pistone became this close to becoming a made guy in the Bonnano family. He was ordered by Sonny "Black" Napolitano to whack somebody.
And of course, after 6 years undercover the FBI shut down the operation.
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Steer clear of the mediatoday unless you don't mind having a stroke....
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (O2RFr)
Steer clear of the media
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 11:57 AM (O2RFr)
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275 Islamophobia is a bullshit made up word the left uses to brand us as neurotic extremists who have this "extreme or irrational fear of Islam."
Nothing extreme or irrational about it. When your religion calls for killing non-believers.......
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 12:13 PM (AY/TT)
Considering what Islam is and what it has done for the past 1,500 years, you bet your sweet ass I'm Islamophobic.
Nothing extreme or irrational about it. When your religion calls for killing non-believers.......
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 12:13 PM (AY/TT)
Considering what Islam is and what it has done for the past 1,500 years, you bet your sweet ass I'm Islamophobic.
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:15 PM (9P3OG)
One of Depp's better movies. His best as a matter of fact.
One of Depp's better movies. His best as a matter of fact.
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Yeah. All I can say to that is they can go fuck themselves. I am past being worried about that sort of thing. They know every damned thing about me anyway. I will voice my opinions, when I choose.
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 12:11 PM (d6TTt)
There's a corporate marketing appraoch that involves gathering the names of Key Opinion Leaders (KOLs). Such people are those prominent in a given field or industry whose ideas and accomplishments carry weight with their peers; i.e., thought leaders, those with influence.
Translated to federalgovernment enemies' list kind of context, Ace is a KOL. You and I are not. In the scheme of things, we don't matter much, sorry.
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 12:11 PM (d6TTt)
There's a corporate marketing appraoch that involves gathering the names of Key Opinion Leaders (KOLs). Such people are those prominent in a given field or industry whose ideas and accomplishments carry weight with their peers; i.e., thought leaders, those with influence.
Translated to federalgovernment enemies' list kind of context, Ace is a KOL. You and I are not. In the scheme of things, we don't matter much, sorry.
Posted by: troyriser at August 05, 2016 12:17 PM (OGbEB)
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Who'd believe that?
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Well, in general undercover agents encourage crime all the time, right? So they can arrest the people they encouraged.
They call it stings.
Maybe it was a messed up sting.
Posted by: @votermom at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (7lVbc)
Well, there is a fine line there. Usually, undercover agents play the role of criminals willing to provide something their "clients" need, like weapons or explosives, the latter, at least, usually fake. But encouraging crimes, or suggesting alternate plans for crime, could be construed as entrapment.
In this case, I wonder if Obongo's DOJ, "encouraged" the Garland jihadis because they too want Pam killed?
They call it stings.
Maybe it was a messed up sting.
Posted by: @votermom at August 05, 2016 11:10 AM (7lVbc)
Well, there is a fine line there. Usually, undercover agents play the role of criminals willing to provide something their "clients" need, like weapons or explosives, the latter, at least, usually fake. But encouraging crimes, or suggesting alternate plans for crime, could be construed as entrapment.
In this case, I wonder if Obongo's DOJ, "encouraged" the Garland jihadis because they too want Pam killed?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 05, 2016 12:18 PM (f3Uae)
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Translated to federalgovernment enemies' list kind of context, Ace is a KOL. You and I are not. In the scheme of things, we don't matter much, sorry.
Oh Man, and I thought I was so brilliant here!
Oh Man, and I thought I was so brilliant here!
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:18 PM (O2RFr)
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Post some "inflammatory comments" of the right wing kind and see how wrong you are.
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Post some "inflammatory comments" of the right wing kind and see how wrong you are.
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253 60 Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Now I'm getting the distinct impression that that sort of thing will be frowned upon by everyone but the FBI.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Well now that you've mentioned it in opened channels, it's a bad idea.
Geez, you can ignore my rants about fixing society, but do try to pay attention when I go off about OpSec...sheesh...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13
But at the secret going away party for Maet at the bunker you didn't say anything about popsicles when you said the fire of heaven would rain down on.... Oh wait. Now I understand. Don't worry, mums the word. Zipped lips. Wink wink.
Posted by: josephistan at August 05, 2016 11:18 AM (7HtZB)
Now I'm getting the distinct impression that that sort of thing will be frowned upon by everyone but the FBI.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Well now that you've mentioned it in opened channels, it's a bad idea.
Geez, you can ignore my rants about fixing society, but do try to pay attention when I go off about OpSec...sheesh...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13
But at the secret going away party for Maet at the bunker you didn't say anything about popsicles when you said the fire of heaven would rain down on.... Oh wait. Now I understand. Don't worry, mums the word. Zipped lips. Wink wink.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 05, 2016 12:19 PM (VhlKn)
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"Let's you and them fight". . . ?
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Oddly enough, one of my connections on LinkedIn is connected to Pam Gellar and I always get the notification to connect with her.
Would like to, but am fearful of what it might mean for my career, and the government spies.
Oddly enough, one of my connections on LinkedIn is connected to Pam Gellar and I always get the notification to connect with her.
Would like to, but am fearful of what it might mean for my career, and the government spies.
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One of Depp's better movies. His best as a matter of fact.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 12:16 PM (1b+5Z)
I think its one of Pacino's best too
One of Depp's better movies. His best as a matter of fact.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 12:16 PM (1b+5Z)
I think its one of Pacino's best too
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You would have been correct ~ 10 years ago Troy.
I suspect they have garnered enough from F*c*book's datamining methods they now sift through the top commentariat to *some* degree....
I have made the mistake of having too many places I have posted.
Anyway signing off, good luck.
To all who endure the punishment the Alzheimer's/Dementia gods wreak on good families my prayers.
To all who offered me and mine good words and prayers thank you.
Good luck folks, once we lose this cycle old America is never coming back.
You would have been correct ~ 10 years ago Troy.
I suspect they have garnered enough from F*c*book's datamining methods they now sift through the top commentariat to *some* degree....
I have made the mistake of having too many places I have posted.
Anyway signing off, good luck.
To all who endure the punishment the Alzheimer's/Dementia gods wreak on good families my prayers.
To all who offered me and mine good words and prayers thank you.
Good luck folks, once we lose this cycle old America is never coming back.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 12:20 PM (SzZnW)
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After Janet Reno and the FBI's excellent work in Texas, and the ATF's awesome work in Mexico, I'm mostly surprised the jihadist wasn't more successful.
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One of Depp's better movies. His best as a matter of fact.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 12:16 PM (1b+5Z)
I think its one of Pacino's best too
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 05, 2016 12:19 PM (lKyWE)
Pacino has done some incredible roles. Sonny Black was damn good as well, but his body of work is pretty amazing.
One of Depp's better movies. His best as a matter of fact.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 05, 2016 12:16 PM (1b+5Z)
I think its one of Pacino's best too
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 05, 2016 12:19 PM (lKyWE)
Pacino has done some incredible roles. Sonny Black was damn good as well, but his body of work is pretty amazing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:21 PM (9P3OG)
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The Gateway story on the Khan man indicates that his son was "martyred." Perhaps that's a mistranslation from the original language, but no one should refer to our military KIA as "martyred."
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 05, 2016 12:22 PM (hqZPQ)
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Well, shit.
Our government runs guns to Mexican cartels, and we're surprised that Americans wind up dead as a result.
Our government directs troops to abandon weapons and supplies in the Middle East for ISIS to acquire, and we're surprised that people wind up dead as a result.
Our government runs guns through to insurgents in Benghazi, and we're surprised that people wind up dead as a result.
Our government enables and supports the Black Lives Matter movement, the new Black Panther Party, and we're surprised that people wind up dead as a result.
Our government empowers Iran to develop nuclear weapons, and are we going to be surprised that people wind up dead as a result?
Once you start with the assumption that this Administration is a traitorous enemy seeking the destruction of this country, only then do all of its actions suddenly make sense.
Our government runs guns to Mexican cartels, and we're surprised that Americans wind up dead as a result.
Our government directs troops to abandon weapons and supplies in the Middle East for ISIS to acquire, and we're surprised that people wind up dead as a result.
Our government runs guns through to insurgents in Benghazi, and we're surprised that people wind up dead as a result.
Our government enables and supports the Black Lives Matter movement, the new Black Panther Party, and we're surprised that people wind up dead as a result.
Our government empowers Iran to develop nuclear weapons, and are we going to be surprised that people wind up dead as a result?
Once you start with the assumption that this Administration is a traitorous enemy seeking the destruction of this country, only then do all of its actions suddenly make sense.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 05, 2016 12:22 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:22 PM (9P3OG)
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Ever wonder if any of the posters here are undercover Feds?
"A guy who used to be in Washington knew that his phone was tapped, used to answer, Fuck Hoover, yes, go ahead."
-George Carlin
"A guy who used to be in Washington knew that his phone was tapped, used to answer, Fuck Hoover, yes, go ahead."
-George Carlin
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 05, 2016 12:23 PM (uz/Pv)
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285 Translated to federalgovernment enemies' list kind of context, Ace is a KOL. You and I are not. In the scheme of things, we don't matter much, sorry.
Oh Man, and I thought I was so brilliant here!
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:18 PM (O2RFr)
Yeah, never been under the illusions of grandeur. As someone once told me, "you're just not that important". Words of wisdom, and strangely reassuring.
Point I was trying to make is that Feds have all my particulars already, So why not critique them. After all, it's not like I'm some 2 faced asshole politician that has to talk out of both sides of their mouth to con people.
I watch it at AoS though, don't ever want to compromise the boss. He does not deserve that.
Oh Man, and I thought I was so brilliant here!
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:18 PM (O2RFr)
Yeah, never been under the illusions of grandeur. As someone once told me, "you're just not that important". Words of wisdom, and strangely reassuring.
Point I was trying to make is that Feds have all my particulars already, So why not critique them. After all, it's not like I'm some 2 faced asshole politician that has to talk out of both sides of their mouth to con people.
I watch it at AoS though, don't ever want to compromise the boss. He does not deserve that.
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 12:23 PM (d6TTt)
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234 Rio is full of such winning... they lose the key to the Olympic stadium.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
Heh. Makes me wish that Obama's big push for Chicago as an Olympic venue had succeeded.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
Heh. Makes me wish that Obama's big push for Chicago as an Olympic venue had succeeded.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 12:23 PM (9biqG)
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Yeah, fuck the media.
The story is not Obama paying Iran a ransom.
The story is Trump lying that he saw a video of it.
They deserve to burn in Hell. I hope Trump can rise above this because he is being Palin'ed.
Yeah, fuck the media.
The story is not Obama paying Iran a ransom.
The story is Trump lying that he saw a video of it.
They deserve to burn in Hell. I hope Trump can rise above this because he is being Palin'ed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:23 PM (9P3OG)
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I watch it at AoS though, don't ever want to compromise the boss. He does not deserve that.
True that...
True that...
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:24 PM (O2RFr)
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Sven, God bless you and your angel sister.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 05, 2016 12:24 PM (T/5A0)
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All the best to you and yours, sven! Safe travels!
Perhaps we'll meet again somewhere in Free America.
Perhaps we'll meet again somewhere in Free America.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 05, 2016 12:24 PM (hqZPQ)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 05, 2016 12:25 PM (qul7b)
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Good luck folks, once we lose this cycle old America is never coming back.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 12:20 PM (SzZnW)
Bye scen, you are one of my favorites. Door here at AoS is always open for you.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 12:20 PM (SzZnW)
Bye scen, you are one of my favorites. Door here at AoS is always open for you.
Posted by: tubal at August 05, 2016 12:25 PM (d6TTt)
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>>It might be possible for Islam to be reformed, but the truth about
reformation is that it would be a totally different religion. That
actually might be ok as well, especially if an analysis of Judaism and
Christianity, and their reformations through time have resulted in
totally different religions, as well.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM
It could be reformed; some theological "tools" are present in the religion to do so. Ijtihad is one such, though it's considered bidah (innovation) in Sunnism. If "modern" Sunnism could reconcile itself to at least trying such an interpretive means of textual study (granted, a big 'if'), some of the hadith-slavery might be overcome. The question of Christian and Judaic "reform" seems to be accepted as fait accompli, and I'm not sure that it is.
reformation is that it would be a totally different religion. That
actually might be ok as well, especially if an analysis of Judaism and
Christianity, and their reformations through time have resulted in
totally different religions, as well.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 05, 2016 11:30 AM
It could be reformed; some theological "tools" are present in the religion to do so. Ijtihad is one such, though it's considered bidah (innovation) in Sunnism. If "modern" Sunnism could reconcile itself to at least trying such an interpretive means of textual study (granted, a big 'if'), some of the hadith-slavery might be overcome. The question of Christian and Judaic "reform" seems to be accepted as fait accompli, and I'm not sure that it is.
Posted by: General Zod at August 05, 2016 12:25 PM (Bdeb0)
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299 234 Rio is full of such winning... they lose the key to the Olympic stadium.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
Heh. Makes me wish that Obama's big push for Chicago as an Olympic venue had succeeded.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 12:23 PM (9biqG)
The public slap in his face after he lobbied for it was delicious.
Then again, all the shootings and criminality would have been covered up and obfuscated. Or, blamed on Republicans.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:02 PM (+bQch)
Heh. Makes me wish that Obama's big push for Chicago as an Olympic venue had succeeded.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 05, 2016 12:23 PM (9biqG)
The public slap in his face after he lobbied for it was delicious.
Then again, all the shootings and criminality would have been covered up and obfuscated. Or, blamed on Republicans.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:25 PM (9P3OG)
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reform highlander: Disagree. Games like minecraft and KSP will inspire a
lot more. Hell, it's a favorite among practing aero-engs I know.
Posted by: GeoSTI at August 05, 2016 11:49 AM (0e/Wy)
I don't necessarily doubt you're right, I was just trying to be colorful in laying on the cynicism. All the people I know who play KSP are accomplished engineers or their kids.
I'm no anti-gaming scold, but from personal experience I know it can be a very time-consuming hobby. Added to all the other cheap and easy hobbies of modern times though (like commenting on blogs), that's a lot of distraction and claims on our attention that weren't around for most of the figures who created modern civilization.I think it cuts both ways, though. I bet such an abundance of easy options to remove boredom figures into the declining crime rate in our society, but I would also bet it preoccupies a lot of time time and energy that would have been used for the good of society. Can't say, ultimately, which is for the better (certainly not gonna give these things up voluntarily myself), especially in the long run. None the less, hard not to feel like the 21st century is off to an underwhelming start compared to the 20th.
reform highlander: Disagree. Games like minecraft and KSP will inspire a
lot more. Hell, it's a favorite among practing aero-engs I know.
Posted by: GeoSTI at August 05, 2016 11:49 AM (0e/Wy)
I don't necessarily doubt you're right, I was just trying to be colorful in laying on the cynicism. All the people I know who play KSP are accomplished engineers or their kids.
I'm no anti-gaming scold, but from personal experience I know it can be a very time-consuming hobby. Added to all the other cheap and easy hobbies of modern times though (like commenting on blogs), that's a lot of distraction and claims on our attention that weren't around for most of the figures who created modern civilization.I think it cuts both ways, though. I bet such an abundance of easy options to remove boredom figures into the declining crime rate in our society, but I would also bet it preoccupies a lot of time time and energy that would have been used for the good of society. Can't say, ultimately, which is for the better (certainly not gonna give these things up voluntarily myself), especially in the long run. None the less, hard not to feel like the 21st century is off to an underwhelming start compared to the 20th.
Posted by: reform highlander at August 05, 2016 12:26 PM (jCH/T)
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I'm with you on this. What if, once they supplied jihadi jim with fake bombs, he realizes they are duds and replaces them with his own?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (AY/TT)
In that case, the agency is off the hook, IMHO. Jihadi Jim wanted bombs in the first place. Feds obligingly provide him with duds, which can harm no one. Jim is suspicious, determines they are duds, and gets explosives from an alternate source. Which raises the question: why would Jihadi Jim deal with "undercover guy" if he had an alternate source? And, secondly, Jihadi Jim discovers the bombs are duds. Is he going say, "Shit, I was ripped off!" Or is he going to say, "Shit, the infidels are on to me!"
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 05, 2016 11:19 AM (AY/TT)
In that case, the agency is off the hook, IMHO. Jihadi Jim wanted bombs in the first place. Feds obligingly provide him with duds, which can harm no one. Jim is suspicious, determines they are duds, and gets explosives from an alternate source. Which raises the question: why would Jihadi Jim deal with "undercover guy" if he had an alternate source? And, secondly, Jihadi Jim discovers the bombs are duds. Is he going say, "Shit, I was ripped off!" Or is he going to say, "Shit, the infidels are on to me!"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 05, 2016 12:27 PM (f3Uae)
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I watch it at AoS though, don't ever want to compromise the boss. He does not deserve that.
Sometimes I feel like I need to put a legal disclaimer on my comments here:
"The above comment is solely the opinion of this commenter, and not necessarily the views of the proprietor of this blog, or any other commenter or reader. FYNQ."
Sometimes I feel like I need to put a legal disclaimer on my comments here:
"The above comment is solely the opinion of this commenter, and not necessarily the views of the proprietor of this blog, or any other commenter or reader. FYNQ."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 05, 2016 12:27 PM (iIzG7)
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*arches eyebrow and flicks an ear*
Spam mail for 'Affordable Maid Service' and all I can think of is this video
https://youtu.be/NewiSNS-vLk
Spam mail for 'Affordable Maid Service' and all I can think of is this video
https://youtu.be/NewiSNS-vLk
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 05, 2016 12:27 PM (+bQch)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 05, 2016 12:27 PM (VhlKn)
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Our government runs guns to Mexican cartels, and we're surprised that Americans wind up dead as a result.
Yes,they now even move money like a Mexican cartel
Our government runs guns to Mexican cartels, and we're surprised that Americans wind up dead as a result.
Yes,they now even move money like a Mexican cartel
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 05, 2016 12:28 PM (lKyWE)
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Saw a "story" today that Hillary need not do any debates... The election is already over....I think it's more she couldn't do one... Notice, other than the convention, she never talks at any rally's longer than 20 minutes and then they whisk her away.. Also over 200 days since she did a news conference... Something is definitely up with her...
Posted by: donna at August 05, 2016 12:28 PM (O2RFr)
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>>Makes me wish that Obama's big push for Chicago as an Olympic venue had succeeded.
Oh, can you imagine? The opening ceremony would have been an Obama love fest. It's not like any of the organizers would want to celebrate anything distinctly *gulp* American, or gotten all xenophobic w/stars and bars?
Oh, can you imagine? The opening ceremony would have been an Obama love fest. It's not like any of the organizers would want to celebrate anything distinctly *gulp* American, or gotten all xenophobic w/stars and bars?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 05, 2016 12:29 PM (NOIQH)
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Is he going say, "Shit, I was ripped off!" Or is he going to say, "Shit, the infidels are on to me!"
"Bitch set me up!"
"Bitch set me up!"
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 05, 2016 12:29 PM (iIzG7)
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Makes me wish that Obama's big push for Chicago as an Olympic venue had succeeded.
You know, there's a lot of available venues in Detroit. And better water in Flint.
You know, there's a lot of available venues in Detroit. And better water in Flint.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 05, 2016 12:30 PM (iIzG7)
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Hmmm. It's gotten quiet around here. I wonder if there was a nood posted, and no one told me. I ought to go check, before any more of my brilliant comments get willowed.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 05, 2016 12:32 PM (iIzG7)
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Considering what Islam is and what it has done for the past 1,500 years, you bet your sweet ass I'm Islamophobic.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:16 PM (9P3OG)
J.J. your fear of Islam is neither "extreme" or "irrational" - so you are NOT Islamophobic. There is no word to describe a rational sane fear of something. You fall into a leftist trap and brand yourself as mentally unbalanced when you self identify as Islamophobic.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2016 12:16 PM (9P3OG)
J.J. your fear of Islam is neither "extreme" or "irrational" - so you are NOT Islamophobic. There is no word to describe a rational sane fear of something. You fall into a leftist trap and brand yourself as mentally unbalanced when you self identify as Islamophobic.
Posted by: An Observation at August 05, 2016 12:32 PM (KAF4o)
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"What if they've got well manicured feet, Jane.
You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles."
Ummm, she's a man.
You know ... slender, graceful feet with well polished nails. Connected to toned, supple calves by shapely ankles."
Ummm, she's a man.
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at August 05, 2016 12:33 PM (QM5S2)
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Lunatic Fridge is on the radio right now.
Who knew this song was prophetic.
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (4r4Qq)
You have a lunatic fridge? Maybe you should ice it before it kills you in your sleep. Can't be too careful with rogue appliances.
Who knew this song was prophetic.
Posted by: M Magoo at August 05, 2016 11:28 AM (4r4Qq)
You have a lunatic fridge? Maybe you should ice it before it kills you in your sleep. Can't be too careful with rogue appliances.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 05, 2016 12:34 PM (f3Uae)
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 05, 2016 12:36 PM (iIzG7)
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She has early onset dementia.....
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
Prayers for you and your sister, sven.
She is still there mostly, and when I close my eyes and think "angel" I see her face....always have.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 11:45 AM (SzZnW)
Prayers for you and your sister, sven.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 05, 2016 12:37 PM (u0lmX)
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Is this the same agent that suggested to Timothy McVey to blow up a federal building?
Posted by: Bang-a-gong at August 05, 2016 12:39 PM (Y6A4B)
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I'm sure that someone has brought this up, but exactly how much "encouragement" does a mohammedan really need before going all splodey jihadi? Because it seems to me that all the encouragement they need is "there are infidels still alive somewhere in the world".
I'm sure that someone has brought this up, but exactly how much "encouragement" does a mohammedan really need before going all splodey jihadi? Because it seems to me that all the encouragement they need is "there are infidels still alive somewhere in the world".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 05, 2016 12:45 PM (Xv6Y5)
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Little known fact: The hero security officer did not kill the two attackers. He did slow/wound them and SWAT officers on site came over and capped them.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at August 05, 2016 12:54 PM (m3iiU)
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Here's a thing. A while ago I signed up for Google Rewards on my smartphone to gain "money" to be used in various game apps. You get ten or twenty cents to spend whenever you answer a customer survey, stuff like that. The first "survey question" after I entered my e-mail, etc. was, "Do you generally support the goals of the United Nations?". I thought that was pretty creepy, never used the app again, forgot about it. I just got an alert that a new survey was available, and I clicked it out of curiosity. The questions were "Are you a registered voter?", "Which of these best describes your political beliefs" and some other similar question. I clicked "I prefer not to say" for all of them. I wonder if everyone gets the same questions or I just got "Lucky".
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 05, 2016 12:12 PM (2cS/G)
Google is evil. Never forget that. I'd recommend you throw your smartphone into a wood chipper to sanitize it.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 05, 2016 12:12 PM (2cS/G)
Google is evil. Never forget that. I'd recommend you throw your smartphone into a wood chipper to sanitize it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 05, 2016 12:58 PM (f3Uae)
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Absolutely. The guy yelling loudest for direct action is always a Fed.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at August 05, 2016 01:34 PM (Ft3+l)
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Sounds like the cat telling the dog, "go ahead. run out in traffic. What could possibly go wrong?"
With the Texans' success in this incident, may the feds should start thinking about running the hajis out in front of civilian guns more often.
With the Texans' success in this incident, may the feds should start thinking about running the hajis out in front of civilian guns more often.
Posted by: Techtor Gorch at August 05, 2016 01:39 PM (gnC+d)
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An FBI agent intentionally flipped the switch of a jihadi in Garland Texas?
Ok, there are a few things wrong with that statement.
1. Was he a jihadi or a Muslim. Are they they same thing. Yes and no. A jihadi IMHO is a Muslim who flipped his switch and become a bloodthirsty, goat fugging jihadi.
If he was a jihadi in Garland Texas then why wasn't he already processed into dog food.
2. There are a thousand ways for a muslim to flip his switch in the States. Like Kahns father, he wants Sharia but the only thing standing in the way of that is a mess of Americans. It's a switch flipping zone from coast to coast.
So I don't think that this FBI did anything to flip this guys switch that simply walking down mainstreet USA would have done the same thing. In fact I believe it to be extremely difficult to switch a muslim's switch on command. They resist direct outside influence and resist being played like a fool but then again he could be walking by a table outside of a Sunday School class with pictures of Jesus and other prophets (In their eyes) and all of the sudden start slitting throats of every kid there.
Weird stuff.
Ok, there are a few things wrong with that statement.
1. Was he a jihadi or a Muslim. Are they they same thing. Yes and no. A jihadi IMHO is a Muslim who flipped his switch and become a bloodthirsty, goat fugging jihadi.
If he was a jihadi in Garland Texas then why wasn't he already processed into dog food.
2. There are a thousand ways for a muslim to flip his switch in the States. Like Kahns father, he wants Sharia but the only thing standing in the way of that is a mess of Americans. It's a switch flipping zone from coast to coast.
So I don't think that this FBI did anything to flip this guys switch that simply walking down mainstreet USA would have done the same thing. In fact I believe it to be extremely difficult to switch a muslim's switch on command. They resist direct outside influence and resist being played like a fool but then again he could be walking by a table outside of a Sunday School class with pictures of Jesus and other prophets (In their eyes) and all of the sudden start slitting throats of every kid there.
Weird stuff.
Posted by: Drider at August 05, 2016 01:46 PM (bdzyz)
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291 Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2016 12:20 PM (SzZnW)
Prayers for your sister and your whole family, Sven. May God give all of you his perfect joy that doesn't depend on circumstances and his peace that surpasses all understanding.
Prayers for your sister and your whole family, Sven. May God give all of you his perfect joy that doesn't depend on circumstances and his peace that surpasses all understanding.
Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 05, 2016 01:48 PM (nvMvs)
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The FBI and angencies like it let things play out. It is all games to them. Spy vs Spy. They don't give a Shit about the citizens they serve.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 05, 2016 01:55 PM (apJVd)
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our sunday school teacher is an upper-mid-level muckiemuck in the
fbi.....since the first of july, he no longer has to "conceal" carry his pistol to church, since wv passed an open carry law......
he never fails to remind us that most, if not ALL, the "terrorist' threats the fbi catches before the actual attack, turn out to be entrapment schemes by the fbi......and also, how many attacks they DON'T catch, because they're too busy entrapping instead of actually, you know, investigating.......
because actually investigation is hard work.......
he'll be retiring soon, and moving to - where else - texas.........i'm sure he's not the only patriot getting out before the purge.......
WTF is wrong with this country?????......
fbi.....since the first of july, he no longer has to "conceal" carry his pistol to church, since wv passed an open carry law......
he never fails to remind us that most, if not ALL, the "terrorist' threats the fbi catches before the actual attack, turn out to be entrapment schemes by the fbi......and also, how many attacks they DON'T catch, because they're too busy entrapping instead of actually, you know, investigating.......
because actually investigation is hard work.......
he'll be retiring soon, and moving to - where else - texas.........i'm sure he's not the only patriot getting out before the purge.......
WTF is wrong with this country?????......
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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat