Federal EEOC: Wearing Don't Tread on Me Symbol Could be Punishable As a Racial Harassmen

My friends, you have nothing to fear from a Hillary presidency.

Eugene Volokh makes this point clear: this is not a case about what dress codes employers may force upon their workers; they have broad discretion in this area.

This is about what rules the federal government may force employers to enforce -- if you own a motorcycle repair shop, and one of your employees wears a Gadsden flag t-shirt, you may face huge civil fines from the US government because you failed to forbid the wearing of this obviously-racist shirt.

The sustaining, foundational myth of the #NeverTrump movement is that a Hillary presidency is cost-free -- no difference between president Hillary and President Trump, they say.

Whatever you need to tell yourselves, fellas.

Posted by: Ace at 03:06 PM

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1 Does wearing women's underwear count as sexual harassment? I'm asking for a friend.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 04, 2016 03:07 PM (oDCMR)

2 Does this mean my state of Virginia license plate is racial harassment?

Posted by: Jai at August 04, 2016 03:08 PM (u8Erp)

3 Oh f*ck me running.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:08 PM (1ZOkK)

4 I'm thinking I may be getting a drink sooner than later.

Posted by: Tree of Lierty at August 04, 2016 03:08 PM (BoHsa)

5 The EEOC from its very inception has always been a race mongering corrupt POS. It should have never been created and it should now be defunded, disbanded, and every employee above the level of janitor fired from government service and forbidden to every have a government job again.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 03:08 PM (mpXpK)

6 Oh, FFS...

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at August 04, 2016 03:08 PM (Saqzi)

7 What of the flag makers? Crime against the State?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:08 PM (1ZOkK)

8 And that is at its best when half of it is appointed by Republicans.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 03:09 PM (mpXpK)

9 I wonder what position Hellary has promised Khan?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:09 PM (1ZOkK)

10 10th

Posted by: KHAN's Other Wife at August 04, 2016 03:10 PM (WSTrb)

11 The best part of living in an insane asylum is all the free drugs they just give you.

Posted by: Push polling at August 04, 2016 03:10 PM (7wyDO)

12 Trump was never going to win the general. His defeat will not be because of NeverTrumpers; it will be because he was the wrong candidate from the beginning. It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else.

Posted by: saltlick at August 04, 2016 03:10 PM (w+WUl)

13 "The sustaining, foundational myth of the #NeverTrump movement is that a Hillary presidency is cost-free -- no difference between president Hillary and President Trump, they say."

Not sure if you've been talking to the wrong idiots online or you honestly believe this is the rallying call of #NeverTrump. Most of the #NeverTrump people I know feel like Hillary would be the devil incarnate, but one which we would be empowered to fight back against. Whereas Trump would usher in a rubber stamp on everything without any push back from either sides of the aisle. I think many in the #NeverTrump camp would vote for Trump if he stopped being an A-hole and constantly sticking his small foot in his mouth every week and did his job as a candidate to bring back disaffected voters. But, his fans would rather have him be the bull in the china shop no matter who happens to own said shop.

Posted by: Sean at August 04, 2016 03:11 PM (+a/VV)

14

And $250,000.00 for not calling someone the "right" gender in NY.

$250K.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:11 PM (qCMvj)

15 F them. I will wear my hat and my t shirt, when and where I want.

Posted by: lynndh at August 04, 2016 03:11 PM (DaWUf)

16 I've written about this before.

There's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism has been playing out at a college or university near you. This is a further extension. Soon we'll be seeing the argument in courts and ultimately in a SCOTUS with a few Hillary appointees.

The likes of Hillary and Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 04, 2016 03:11 PM (r1fLd)

17 racial harassment against what? snakes? beyond lunacy.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (KP5rU)

18 I'm sure this means that a test case will be making its way through the court system in the not-too-distant future.

We'll see if the 1st amendment still means what it means....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (Saqzi)

19 Sad to think I spent over 30 years of my life fighting for this shit.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (Wux4A)

20 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (GwIKd)

21 constantly sticking his small foot in his mouth every week

Posted by: Sean at August 04, 2016 03:11 PM (+a/VV)

*slightly smaller than large*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:13 PM (wB8Tg)

22 I saw the Harassmen open for the Barenaked Ladies at Red Rocks in '93.

Posted by: good show at August 04, 2016 03:13 PM (2WoCi)

23

NeverTrumpsters: Supreme Court picks don't matter!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:13 PM (qCMvj)

24 I know a lot of vets (son included) who sport that symbol on their vehicles.

I'm thinking things could get interesting if the government orders them to remove them.

What's next, the American flag?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:13 PM (1ZOkK)

25 Gadsen Neck Tat, FTW!

If Patrick Henry worked for the Federal Government,today, he wouldn't be allowed to have a name plaque on his door.

Posted by: Henri at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (TjcfH)

26 Supreme Court under Hillary:

First Amendment means whatever the President (Dem) desires.

Posted by: meh at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (bsDXW)

27 Is this part of reparations?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (IqV8l)

28 * looks at Gadsen coffee mug and Gadsen flag *

I think I'll keep them.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (6IPEM)

29 "Trump would usher in a rubber stamp on everything without any push back from either sides of the aisle"

That may be the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Posted by: KHAN's Other Wife at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (WSTrb)

30 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Well... I guess this Constitutional because its a Rule, not a Law?

Is this sophistry, or a penumbra?

Posted by: Don Q. at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (qf6WZ)

31 HEY, what about racial harassWOMYN?

Posted by: Feminist at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (UW4Uc)

32 So the left says that the American Revolutionary flag that has been a symbol for our rugged insistence on liberty for over 200 years is racist, should be banned, and those displaying it should be punished by government.

I dunno, folks. Seriously... are we not headed in a direction that will lead us to the point where forbearance is no longer a virtue?

Posted by: weew at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (EaEMG)

33
A picture of a coiled snake with don't tread on me written below it is a valuable public safety message

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (lKyWE)

34 I see an inordinate number of new name trolls. They hit every election cycle. At least we know now how much Scankles has set aside for paying astroturfing trolls to hit the 'net.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (mpXpK)

35 Didn't Texas have come and take flag?

Where can I get one of those!

Posted by: Yo! at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (GwIKd)

36 NeverTrumpers don't believe their is no cost to Clinton. They've been bellowing about the costs since early in the primary.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (mFkVC)

37 "However, whatever the historic origins and meaning of the symbol, it also has since been sometimes interpreted to convey racially-tinged messages in some contexts"

Sooo...they're saying "whatever" the actual meaning is, we'll decide what it means.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (s/EUv)

38 12 Trump was never going to win the general. His defeat will not be because of NeverTrumpers; it will be because he was the wrong candidate from the beginning. It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else.

And that has what to do with the Gadsden Flag?

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (O2RFr)

39 Every branch and agency of the Federal Government has been infiltrated and radicalized.

You own them nothing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Reactionary at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (evdj2)

40 I know that if this case gets to the SCOTUS, Hillary's appointee, Khan, will ensure people can wear what they want.

Under their hijab.

Posted by: MacGruber at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (sgrzZ)

41 The Gonzales flag ("Come And Take It") is now defined as rape.

Posted by: wooga at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (L0BaW)

42 Doubleplus ungood!

Posted by: Drill at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (DN9jO)

43 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Well... I guess this Constitutional because its a Rule, not a Law?

Is this sophistry, or a penumbra?
Posted by: Don Q. at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM

Dude, that's like a hundred years old...

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (ZQfW9)

44 I'm seeing a black-market business opportunity here.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (Fmupd)

45 They're going to make us into what they most fear-- angry, nationalistic, jingoistic, (spit!0 Americans.

Posted by: MTF at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (/m8T6)

46
9 I wonder what position Hellary has promised Khan?

Posted by: Jane D'oh

He's getting Chairman of Shari'ah Compliance Committee under VP Kaine. She offered him ChairPERSON position reporting directly to the President but he told her to go fuk herself and that "there's no fukkin way he was reporting to a woman, Allah be praised". So I heard.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (kfcYC)

47 Are they going to confiscate every copy of Metallica's Black Album?

Posted by: logical conclusion at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (2WoCi)

48
Most of the #NeverTrump people I know feel like Hillary would be the devil incarnate, but one which we would be empowered to fight back against. Whereas Trump would usher in a rubber stamp on everything without any push back from either sides of the aisle.

Is this supposed to make sense?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (IqV8l)

49 19 Sad to think I spent over 30 years of my life fighting for this shit.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (Wux4A)

Yup... spent a career defending this country from Foreign enemies...

I thought the deal was that I'd protect it there, and Civilians would protect it here...

I kept up my end of the bargain....

Posted by: Don Q. at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (qf6WZ)

50 Didn't Texas have come and take flag?
Where can I get one of those!
Posted by: Yo! at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM
******
I have one of those flags too. I bought it on eBay.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (6IPEM)

51 Trump was never going to win the general. His defeat will not be because of NeverTrumpers; it will be because he was the wrong candidate from the beginning. It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else.

Posted by: saltlick at August 04, 2016 03:10 PM (w+WUl)

Your concern has been:
[ ] Noted
[ ] Not Noted
[X] Folded, Spindled, Mutilated, and Incinerated.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Beach Blanket Statements and Other Vacation Supplies at The Outrage Outlet! at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (hLRSq)

52 Trump @ Maine town hall begins!

Posted by: one tall iced tea, plz at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (25+/B)

53 44
I'm seeing a black-market business opportunity here.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (Fmupd)

In the camps? We'll be lucky to have rags to wear. Sally Kohn will be one of our guards.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (1ZOkK)

54 So this is what 'weaponized' government looks like?

??

Posted by: Yo! at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (GwIKd)

55 "Trump was never going to win the general. His defeat will not be because of NeverTrumpers; it will be because he was the wrong candidate from the beginning. It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else."

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (r1fLd)

56 Whatever you need to tell yourselves, fellas.

Except the rest of us will have to live with the #NeverTrumpers end game....

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (Enq6K)

57 Maybe Hillary can get Nikki Haley to tear down that flag.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (IqV8l)

58 "Trump was never going to win the general. His defeat will not be because of NeverTrumpers; it will be because he was the wrong candidate from the beginning. It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else. "

I wonder how many times this -- and similar canned statements -- can be cut and pasted in an 8-hour shift.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (r1fLd)

59 Still, the Khan stuff is so bad that I would rather have this future instead.

Seriously guys, Trump was just out of line in how he handled it. We really can't let anything else distract us, we need to rehash the incident over and over.

We need to start focusing on who we can nominate in 2020 that will hopefully be able to distance himself from the Khan incident.

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (1NTNJ)

60 Trump @ Maine town hall begins!
Posted by: one tall iced tea, plz at August 04, 2016 03:17 PM (25+/B)

thanks

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (qCMvj)

61 This is depressing... If I was on a diet I'd break it....

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (O2RFr)

62 racial harassment against what? snakes? beyond lunacy.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (KP5rU)

This is the result of A) Complete shitheel pig-ignorance of history, and B) A bunch of pantywaist leftists who associate something with white people because TV, therefore racist.

Macaroni and cheese is to be banned from schools next.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (wB8Tg)

63 NeverTrumpers don't believe their is no cost to Clinton. They've been bellowing about the costs since early in the primary.

Yet it's a price they are willing to pay to keep their lickspittle ricebowls.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Reactionary at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (evdj2)

64 /Adds EEOC to list of "Agencies To Liquidate"
/Realizes "Agencies To Retain" would be shorter list
/Realizes said list is empty
/gives up

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (9krrF)

65 And that has what to do with the Gadsden Flag?

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (O2RFr)

Nothing.

He's almost certainly a paid clown part of the Hillary!bot/NeverTrumptard Astroturfing effort going on today.

If you flip talk radio stations you'll hear a lot of "concerned Republicans" saying the exact same things, the exact same way.

SOS - every election cycle.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (0cMkb)

66 Is this supposed to make sense?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 04, 2016 03:16 PM (IqV8l)
----------------

I think what he's trying to say is that a Trump presidency would essentially create (well, dramatically heighten) a one party state, in which both parties essentially agree on growing and centralizing government. The big government policies Trump would push would receive more support then the same policies from Clinton because their would not even be nominal opposition.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (mFkVC)

67 32 So the left says that the American Revolutionary flag that has been a symbol for our rugged insistence on liberty for over 200 years is racist, should be banned, and those displaying it should be punished by government.

I dunno, folks. Seriously... are we not headed in a direction that will lead us to the point where forbearance is no longer a virtue?

Posted by: weew at August 04, 2016 03:14 PM (EaEMG)

first they came for the Confederate Battle Flag, and I said nothing, because I am not Southern...

Then...

Wow... its like Deja Vu all over again...

Posted by: Don Q. at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (qf6WZ)

68 A few years ago I visited a company in San Antonio that had all sorts of flags hanging from the ceiling. They were located in an old shopping mall, so the ceilings were very high. There were many college flags, several US flags, some Gadsden flags and yes - even some Come and Take it flags (some with the cannon, others with the AR).

Walked into the main area of the building from reception, first thing you saw was the "Come and Take It" with an AR. I knew right then and there I was among friends.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (jxbfJ)

69
I wonder how many times this -- and similar canned statements -- can be cut and pasted in an 8-hour shift.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (r1fLd)

Does the Hell Beast pay by the word, or the hour I wonder?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (1ZOkK)

70 I kept up my end too. The Gadsden Foag was used by the Tea Party. Guess the IRS gambit has run out, time for stronger message.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (Wux4A)

71 This is a big fat softball over the middle of the plate for Judicial Watch. Send them money.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (SeD0w)

72 I'm sure this means that a test case will be making its way through the court system in the not-too-distant future.

We'll see if the 1st amendment still means what it means....

With the current make up of the Supremes? We lose.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (AY/TT)

73 You know, the Republican controlled Congress, which is Trump free, could zero line the EEOC.

You know, use that whole power of the purse thingy that is Constitutional.

The Lefty spin on this is that no no no no the EEOC didn't say that the Gadsden flag which the EEOC admitted was not created out of any racial animosity is per se offensive, it's just saying the employer has to investigate to see if it is in this case so that's okay then and you anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the law.

Mmmmhmmmm.

Anyone want to take the sucker bet that if it was a BLM or La Raza hat it would have gone the same way?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (mf5HN)

74 Burning a flag is free speech, but wearing one isn't.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (kumBu)

75 Just remember when reading these negative anti-Trump comments that Hillary spent six million on online advertising, Correct the Record, to demoralize and troll the opposition.

Posted by: Push polling at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (7wyDO)

76 I kept up my end too. The Gadsden Foag was used by the Tea Party.

Really? Didn't think Milo was working your end...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (9krrF)

77 Be curious to see how this whole tempest in a tea pot unfolds. I have a Gadsden flag on my motorcycle vest. Be a damn shame that they'd have to find a replacement for me if my employer asks me to remove it or stop wearing that vest.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (jxbfJ)

78 Posted by: saltlick at August 04, 2016 03:10 PM (w+WUl)

ARRRRGGGGGHHH

THE VIRTUE!

I'M BLIIIIINNNDDDDDD

I'M BLIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (mf5HN)

79 I supposed my camo hat with an American flag is a form of microaggression and is a type of racialistism..or something.

To the gulags!

Posted by: willy at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (Ffw22)

80 I like having a fag on my porch. Are we tawking about the same thing?

Posted by: Barney Frank at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (DrC22)

81 Step by step, step by step, we are heading to the wet-dream goal of the Left: Simply "being white" will be perceived as "triggering" to any and all minorities, and so being white will be banned -- i.e. all whites will be put in concentration camps.

And then, later, when no one's left to complain, killed.

And no, I am not joking. This slope is very, very slippery.

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (jBuUi)

82 74
Burning a flag is free speech, but wearing one isn't.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (kumBu)

THREAD WINNER

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (1ZOkK)

83 I see an inordinate number of new name trolls. They hit every election cycle. At least we know now how much Scankles has set aside for paying astroturfing trolls to hit the 'net.�Posted by: Vic We Have No Party�

True dat. It's only going to get worse for the next 90 some days.

I may just change my hash and nic and troll you guys as the dumbest, most ill-informed Hillary Clinton supporter on the planet. As an embarrassment to democrats everywhere.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (ZnIt3)

84 >racial harassment against what? snakes?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:12 PM (KP5rU)

Are 'snake people' a race now maybe?

Posted by: Lea at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (lIU4e)

85 This makes no sense.

So anything designed before Abolition could be associated with slavery, basically?

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (7lVbc)

86 Yet it's a price they are willing to pay to keep their lickspittle ricebowls.
Posted by: Grump928(c) Reactionary at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (evdj2)

Or else they weigh the options differently then you.

They don't want to see Conservative principles left without any party at all.

Or they believe Trump might be slightly better then Clinton but also might be much, much worse and aren't willing to gamble.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (mFkVC)

87 Lennon by day and Ono by night. There is no escaping the nightmare!

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (nFdGS)

88 www dot gadsenandculpeper dot com.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (AY/TT)

89 This slope is very, very slippery.
Posted by: zombie

And by "slope," I mean Viet Cong slanty-eyed villain.

/s

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (jBuUi)

90 Sean ... You'r for of shit or a troll... Trump will have to fight the dems the rino'. sand the media. Hillary will have to one opposing her. She will be free to do anything and with a ultra liberal Supreme Court backing her up.

Posted by: Globalist against Trump at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (nRWWi)

91 Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (mf5HN)

I think I'm going to read all of your posts in the voice of Invader Zim from now on.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (KUaJL)

92 75 Just remember when reading these negative anti-Trump comments that Hillary spent six million on online advertising, Correct the Record, to demoralize and troll the opposition.
-----------

True. I remember reading that the feds pay trolls, too.

Posted by: willy at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (Ffw22)

93 I prefer Trump to Hillary, for a myriad of reasons, but you can't run for President as a cartoon character and not expect to be treated like one.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (2cS/G)

94 73
You know, the Republican controlled Congress, which is Trump free, could zero line the EEOC.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (mf5HN)

Since the Republican controlled Congress suffers from a lack of testes, they couldn't zero line a monopoly game.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (jxbfJ)

95 Or else they weigh the options differently then you.

Duh. I care about my country.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Reactionary at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (evdj2)

96 79 I supposed my camo hat with an American flag is a form of microaggression and is a type of racialistism..or something.

To the gulags!

Posted by: willy at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (Ffw22)

Yup... it shows your support for that evil American Military Industrial Complex!

Posted by: Don Q. at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (qf6WZ)

97 It's racist because we say it's racist. End of discussion.

Posted by: A Racist at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (9mTYi)

98 Foags are the new flags. There, fixed it.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (Wux4A)

99 1
Does wearing women's underwear count as sexual harassment? I'm asking for a friend.
==

Depends who else is wearing them at the same time.

Posted by: looking closely at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (ji45d)

100 ARRRRGGGGGHHH

THE VIRTUE!

I'M BLIIIIINNNDDDDDD

I'M BLIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (mf5HN)

You realize that this is virtue signalling as much as what he wrote is, right?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (mFkVC)

101 I see an inordinate number of new name trolls. They hit every election cycle. At least we know now how much Scankles has set aside for paying astroturfing trolls to hit the 'net.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

Things look awfully coordinated to me.

The reason I doubt these are truly "concerned" conservatives is what is the goal exactly?

Trump is not going to be pulled off all 50 states ballots, I'm not even sure legally that it could be done even if Trump went along with it.

So what is the goal here?

I just don;t buy that so many conservatives want Hillary as President all because Trump poorly handled a confrontation with some asshole.

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (1NTNJ)

102 85 This makes no sense.

So anything designed before Abolition could be associated with slavery, basically?
Posted by: @votermom

Bingo. Exactly.

So, actually, it makes perfect sense.

Ban the past.

That's what happens in communist societies. Every single time.

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (jBuUi)

103 "However, whatever the historic origins and meaning of the symbol, it also has since been sometimes interpreted to convey racially-tinged messages in some contexts"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 04, 2016 03:15 PM (s/EUv)

Gangster rap, BLM and feathered headdresses to be banned next.

"NO CHINESE FOOD MENUS IN THE WORKPLACE!"

Let's face it, people are cray-cray.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (wB8Tg)

104 Would it be mean-spirited to hope that 'Shelton D.' (the pseudonymous complainant to the EEOC has a pallet of 'Black Lives Matter' T-shirts fall on him at his next job?

It is?

Well, all-righty then!

Plus, Spike Lee's real first name is 'Shelton'! Coincidence? That's what THEY want you to believe! Dun dun DUNNNNNN!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (nd1zx)

105 70 I kept up my end too. The Gadsden Foag was used by the Tea Party. Guess the IRS gambit has run out, time for stronger message.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:19 PM (Wux4A)

That is what worries me. That and all the agencies with no LEO responsibilities amassing stockpiles of ammo. No good can come from that.

Posted by: Moki at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (ezHMO)

106 These flags and shirts are imported so sorry they will have to go no matter who wins.

Posted by: free trade bad makes jobs sad at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (bhbDH)

107 ATC - BTW, love your tag line. If only there was a way to lure SMOD this way.......

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (jxbfJ)

108 This is depressing... If I was on a diet I'd break it....
Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (O2RFr)
*****
Don't be depressed. I think it's a good thing that they are exposing themselves for who they actually are. That goes for the GOPe too.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (6IPEM)

109
Burning a flag is free speech, but wearing one isn't.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (kumBu)

Its worse than that,You can be punished for letting someone else wear it

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (lKyWE)

110 You realize that this is virtue signalling as much as what he wrote is, right?
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (mFkVC)

What virtue am I signaling?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)

111 Duh. I care about my country.
Posted by: Grump928(c) Reactionary at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (evdj2)

So do most NeverTrumpers.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (mFkVC)

112 94 73
You know, the Republican controlled Congress, which is Trump free, could zero line the EEOC.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (mf5HN)
Since the Republican controlled Congress suffers from a lack of testes, they couldn't zero line a monopoly game.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (jxbfJ)

I'd be pleased if they just zero-lined Iran.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (SRKgf)

113
That's what happens in communist societies. Every single time.
Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (jBuUi)

At least they can now digitally alter photos to reflect the current sensibilities, instead of the crappy cut and paste jobs of the former USSR. Some of those were really amateur.

Posted by: Moki at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (ezHMO)

114 So do most NeverTrumpers.

They do not.

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (evdj2)

115 Mooch warned us back in '08 we'd have to "change our history and traditions." I don't think she added, "Or else."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (1ZOkK)

116 That reminds me: I need to dig mine out of the box in the garage and put it up.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (CS7jF)

117 My brother-in-law has a Gadsen flag, guess i need to get one now.

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (bksJQ)

118 By their fruits ye shall know them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (evdj2)

119 Why would anyone ever want to wear anything other than a yellow Maoist pantsuit?

Posted by: Hillary! at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (F1ndw)

120 "Really? Didn't think Milo was working your end...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 04, 2016 03:20 PM (9krrF) "

Has Milo ever branded himself as the "Gadsden Fag"? If not, he should.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (kumBu)

121 This is depressing... If I was on a diet I'd break it....
Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:18 PM (O2RFr)

My kid is making brownies.
I'm doomed.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (7lVbc)

122 You realize that this is virtue signalling as much as what he wrote is, right?
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (mFkVC)

What virtue am I signaling?
Posted by: alexthechick

Sits back. Pops popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (AY/TT)

123 110
You realize that this is virtue signalling as much as what he wrote is, right?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (mFkVC)

What virtue am I signaling?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)

Excuse my ignorance but....WTeverlovinF is virtue effing signalling?

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (Enq6K)

124 119 Why would anyone ever want to wear anything other than a yellow Maoist pantsuit?
Posted by: Hillary!

Wait till You see my inaugural pants suit!

Hillary!

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (O2RFr)

125 > I prefer Trump to Hillary, for a myriad of reasons, but you can't run for President as a cartoon character and not expect to be treated like one.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 04, 2016 03:22 PM (2cS/G)

I usually see him as a reality show/used car salesman type, but cartoon character works too.

Posted by: Lea at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (lIU4e)

126 Boy, I hope this person who works created by slave owners are offensive, doesn't, you know. . .use US currency, or anything.

Posted by: looking closely at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (ji45d)

127 *fondly remembers Mars Attacks*

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (7lVbc)

128 *waits for "person" to respond to AtC*

This should be "interesting."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (1ZOkK)

129 Milo is the Gonzales Flag of homodom.

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (evdj2)

130 They do not.
Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (evdj2)

If we're dealing in hyperbole:

Why do you want to see the country reduced to a single party state under a big-government authoritarian party?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (mFkVC)

131 Good. I was getting bored.

Posted by: The Ravage, Now With 30% More Teeth at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (nd1zx)

132 I don't get the Never Trumpers. Why not join efforts and get Trump over the finish line? If he turns out as bad as they say he is, then it is simple. Get a strong candidate to primary him in 2020.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (BDZWU)

133 looks like a few storms moving in. so much for the weber tonite.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (KP5rU)

134 So anything designed before Abolition could be associated with slavery, basically?
Posted by: @votermom
---------------

If it is politically convenient to the Left, of course.

Since a significant portion of the electorate know little/nothing of our history, or, has been taught a distorted version of that history which paints America as 'The Problem', they will see no problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (9mTYi)

135
81 Step by step, step by step, we are heading to the wet-dream goal of the Left: Simply "being white" will be perceived as "triggering" to any and all minorities, and so being white will be banned -- i.e. all whites will be put in concentration camps.

And then, later, when no one's left to complain, killed.

And no, I am not joking. This slope is very, very slippery.
Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (jBuUi)

---------------

Whites, and those Asians sure look white, and don't forget those white Hispanics.

I agree with you 100%. This is not going to end well.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (Fmupd)

136 uh oh. safe spaces everyone. and go...

Posted by: nckate at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (QvwhC)

137 So, freedom of expression is no longer a "thing." Unless State Approved?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (AiL64)

138 >What virtue am I signaling?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)

I bet people could come up with a lot of good ones...

Posted by: Lea at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (lIU4e)

139 126 Boy, I hope this person who works created by slave owners are offensive, doesn't, you know. . .use US currency, or anything.
Posted by: looking closely

The US Constitution was written in part by slave-owners, so it too shall be banned!

(That is actually the stated position of many academics.)

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (jBuUi)

140 Why do you want to see the country reduced to a single party state under a big-government authoritarian party?

How would it be different than under Hillary, or now for that matter?

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (evdj2)

141 I'm past wanting to save the Republic. It's dead. I just want revenge on those who killed it.

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (7HtZB)

142 115 "Or else."
----
or else she releases her nekkid pics! *gag*
::the horror::

Posted by: willy at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (Ffw22)

143 A President Trump might be better then President Hillary. But it can also be worse. If Trump is elected and he turns out as bad as everyone have been saying he is, it will be cold comfort to say 'At least it's not Hillary.'

On the other hand, Trump himself said he didn't need a unified GOP, and that he'll bring in huge numbers of new voters to support him. His critics are taking him at his word.

Posted by: TKYC at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (6Xoaa)

144 117 My brother-in-law has a Gadsen flag, guess i need to get one now.

I like the "Molon Labe" gear better.
It's shootier.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (SeD0w)

145 The US Constitution was written in part by slave-owners, so it too shall be banned!

(That is actually the stated position of many academics.)

We're working on it

The Libs on the Supreme Court..

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:29 PM (O2RFr)

146 A President Trump might be better then President Hillary. But it can also be worse.

How exactly?

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (evdj2)

147 I want Trump to appoint zombie as head of a new "Get The Red Out" department.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (7lVbc)

148 FWIW, I don't expect Trump to fix this problem unless he plans of fighting to eliminate the EEOC and its unconstitutional intrusion into the country's businesses. Under Obgerfell, the EEOC cannot stand.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)

149 *waits for "person" to respond to AtC*

This should be "interesting."
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Shares freshly popped popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (AY/TT)

150 Excuse my ignorance but....WTeverlovinF is virtue effing signalling?
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (Enq6K)

Virtue signaling is the phenomenon whereby a person (I don't person the nic) makes a statement, generally, but not always, unrelated to the topic at hand, the purpose of which is to identify or signal their position on a matter in such a way as to illustrate that they are a better person.

Or, less wordy, it's how people make comments not designed to persuade but to prove that they aren't one of Those People.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

151 Prager was saying that Ben Shapiro should publish the list of colleges that he can't speak at because of leftist intolerance

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (bksJQ)

152 WTeverlovinF is virtue effing signalling?
******
Tami, it's what SJWs and #NeverTrumpers are accused of doing. IOW, staking a position on some issue based on moral superiority just for the sake of gaining cred among fellow travelers

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (6IPEM)

153 The sustaining, foundational myth of the #NeverTrump movement is that a Hillary presidency is cost-free -- no difference between president Hillary and President Trump, they say.

I think the premise is more that there's no trust in Trump to be the warrior on such issues that he claims to be.

Posted by: Hal at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (9+Yad)

154 The American flag will be banned too. The stars and stripes flew longer over a slave state then the Confederate flag did.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (BDZWU)

155 That's the case that the #nevertrumps refuse to make. They have to say how it would be worse for conservatives and the Republic to elect Trump over Hillary.

I have yet to hear anything that isn't just unicorn farts.

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (evdj2)

156 looks like a few storms moving in. so much for the weber tonite.Posted by: chavez the hugo

Good. You don't need to add to the co2 problem. With the seas rising into the middle of streets in major cities all over the country it's time people got behind Hillary Clinton and pushed... for stiffer regulations of such heinous methods of cooking.

(Practice troll)

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (ZnIt3)

157 101
So what is the goal here?

I just don;t buy that so many conservatives want Hillary as President all because Trump poorly handled a confrontation with some asshole.
Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (1NTNJ)

Demoralization. It's psychological warfare. And it seems to be working with some people.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (zoehZ)

158 Excuse my ignorance but....WTeverlovinF is virtue effing signalling?
Posted by: Tami
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An act which is calculated to demonstrate that you are a 'good' person, as defined by political correctness.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (9mTYi)

159 What virtue am I signaling?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)
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Pretty much any political statement in a public forum is designed in part to signal the speakers virtue.

You are signalling your superiority to the poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary and, probably, your opposition to the "elites," with whom you associate Saltlick.

Virtue signaling works more than one way

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (mFkVC)

160 147 I want Trump to appoint zombie as head of a new "Get The Red Out" department.
Posted by: @votermom

On one condition: I get to rename it "The Better Dead Than Red Department."

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (jBuUi)

161 Virtue signaling is the phenomenon whereby a person
(I don't person the nic) makes a statement, generally, but not always,
unrelated to the topic at hand, the purpose of which is to identify or
signal their position on a matter in such a way as to illustrate that
they are a better person.

Or, less wordy, it's how people make comments not designed to persuade but to prove that they aren't one of Those People.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

Ooooh, ok. Well, I'm virtually signalling them with a particular finger.
Carry on....

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (Enq6K)

162 153-so you go with the sure thing-you know she's hell on wheels, because you "think" Trump might be??

Damn, hon, that is some bass-ackward logic there.

Posted by: Moki at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (ezHMO)

163 Some places are already banning the American Flag.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (Wux4A)

164 Hillary Fucking Clinton has a pre-written plan to get her fucking boot on your neck until it breaks. She will have the political system re-written until opposition is impossible, and you have perpetual domination of the far Left.

If you think Trump will do worse than that, you're nuts.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (Mt8T4)

165 Pretty much any political statement in a public forum is designed in part to signal the speakers virtue.

Project much?

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (evdj2)

166 You are signalling your superiority to the poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary and, probably, your opposition to the "elites," with whom you associate Saltlick.

So you're doing psychoanalysis now?

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:33 PM (O2RFr)

167
You are signalling your superiority to the
poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary
and, probably, your opposition to the "elites," with whom you associate
Saltlick.

Virtue signaling works more than one way

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (mFkVC)

Hoo boy. Not enough popcorn in the world.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (1ZOkK)

168 So you're doing psychoanalysis now?

It has to take a break from lying, every once in a while.

Posted by: Trump's in Putin's pocket! at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (2WoCi)

169 "Why do you want to see the country reduced to a single party state under a big-government authoritarian party?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (mFkVC) "

I don't think Trump has principles. I don't think he's actually a conservative. But who are the #NeverTrump crowd, really? I don't think they're my crowd. I don't think they're Cruz supporters who are butthurt that we lost the primary. The whole point has been that the #NeverTrump crowd are the 'uniparty' types, the ones who say they'll fight Democrats tooth and nail but then end up agreeing with them on 99% of the things that matter and never actually opposing the growth of big government.

Consider my virtue signaled. But I'm voting for Trump anyway.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (kumBu)

170 On one condition: I get to rename it "The Better Dead Than Red Department."
Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (jBuUi)

There will be tanks too.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (7lVbc)

171 "I don't get the Never Trumpers. Why not join efforts and get Trump over
the finish line? If he turns out as bad as they say he is, then it is
simple. Get a strong candidate to primary him in 2020."
=======

It wouldn't even necessarily require waiting until 2020. If he's that bad, impeach him. Impeach him on Day One if necessary. Impeaching him will garner my full and complete indifference.

But promote Hillary by trashing Trump day in and day out (and that is the net result)? That become insufferable the moment he secured the nomination.

Posted by: Kensington at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (7Kbxu)

172 156: i have two grills. think i will fire them both up on high. grill up some thunderthighs. and, maybe some taters too.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (KP5rU)

173 You know, its not that I don't like NeverTrumpers. I'm fine with them and do understand the view (though most of them have been "But the democrats are Worse!!!!!" shills for 8 years and will immediately go back to that, but that's a different issue)

But what is annoying is the tediousness. So many of them are Johnny One Note. Its all they talk about. Its the only threads they show up in. Or if its mentioned in another thread then that is all they want to still talk about. Its tedious and boring and sucks the fun out. Its not as if Trump fan Johnny One Notes are any better, but there aren't many Trump fan Johnny One Notes here, where it is all they talk about. All. Damn. Day. Every. Day. Every. Comment. All. The. Time.

Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (z/Ubi)

174 Excuse my ignorance but....WTeverlovinF is virtue effing signalling?
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:26 PM (Enq6K)

Forgive me for any inaccuracies, as I'm a lapsed Catholic. In one of the gospels, Jesus talks about people who fast and make a big deal about it. "Oh I'm so hungry, but I can't eat because I'm fasting. Woe is me." And he told his followers to knock it out. God doesn't care if you let everyone know that you're doing a good deed, or fasting, or praying, because he knows anyway. The only reason you're doing that is because you want everyone to know that you're doing this virtuous thing. By doing this, you care more about what other people think of you than of actually doing the good thing that God wants you to do.

That's virtue signaling. The point of comments like ATC quoted isn't to actually advance the argument, or to convince anyone rhetorically, or any of that. Their only purpose is to broadcast to everyone that the person making the comment is virtuous.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 04, 2016 03:34 PM (KUaJL)

175 79 I supposed my camo hat with an American flag is a form of microaggression and is a type of racialistism..or something.

As I posted about here a couple years back...I was out for a walk on a beautiful summer morning in a local park, and happened to be wearing a Remington cap.

This fat, sweaty middle-aged Progtard guy accosted me and threatened to call the sheriff on me because I "shouldn't be wearing THAT out in public where children could see it."

After I laughed out loud at the asshole and tried to go about my business, he said "You're one of those Tea Party terrorists I can tell by the way you're dressed." (The "way I was dressed" was, um, jeans, plain t-shirt, sneakers and a Remington cap.) Fat Sweaty Asshole then followed me for a while, holding up his phone and yelling thyat I was a "terrorist worse than ISIS" and he was going to call the police.

Finally I had enough of this fuck so I pulled out my own phone and said. "Let me do it myself. In fact, I'll drive myself to the police station and turn myself in. It will be a great chance to visit with my mom, who's been a dispatcher there for 23 years. Oh, and the Judge, who is my Godfather, would be glad to see me as well."

All true. And Fat Sweaty Asshole wandered off mumbling to himself after that.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 04, 2016 03:35 PM (s/EUv)

176 Or, less wordy, it's how people make comments not designed to persuade but to prove that they aren't one of Those People.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

It can be as simple as loudly proclaiming "me too" on a popular topic, or loudly denouncing an unpopular one.

Far too many people claim to be mind-readers on the internet, but I could see someone interpreting over-enthusiastic denunciation of virtue signaling as the thing itself.

Mostly people just need a five-gallon bucket of Chill and a shovel-shaped tablespoon.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:35 PM (wB8Tg)

177 Hey, is person Cat-piss by any chance? That particular ghoul hasn't been around lately, but since it's an election cycle, it's is the time he/she/it would lurch back in and stink up the comments.

Posted by: Moki at August 04, 2016 03:35 PM (ezHMO)

178 159 What virtue am I signaling?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)
-----------

Pretty much any political statement in a public forum is designed in part to signal the speakers virtue.

You are signalling your superiority to the poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary and, probably, your opposition to the "elites," with whom you associate Saltlick.

Virtue signaling works more than one way
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (mFkVC)

At least she's funny about it.

Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (z/Ubi)

179 Demoralization. It's psychological warfare. And it seems to be working with some people.
Posted by: rickl

Bingo

Constant despair

The funny thing is, the real life people I talk to don't seem to even bring it up. Nowhere near the focus like the MSM has on it. I think there might be more coverage than the Orlando shooting or the shootings in San Jose.

I certainly haven't seen any conservatives that now think Trump is a lost cause over Khan's stunt.

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (1NTNJ)

180 So many trolls or the same person with different names ....funny how they've come out from under their rocks these last 2 days. All to discourage . What trolls are good for. They know republicans aren't fighters unlike liberals. . Just except your defeat republicans, don't fight , don't donate to Trump he will lose.

Millions from Hillary's billionaires are going to good use. Not only the concentrated trolling, but go to sites and in 5 minutes all the Best comments get rigged to leftist bullshit ain't Trump with hijacked comments, it's amazing happens right in front of your eyes.

Posted by: Ava at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (nRWWi)

181 81 Step by step, step by step, we are heading to the wet-dream goal of the Left: Simply "being white" will be perceived as "triggering" to any and all minorities, and so being white will be banned -- i.e. all whites will be put in concentration camps.

And then, later, when no one's left to complain, killed.

And no, I am not joking. This slope is very, very slippery.
Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (jBuUi)

Except for the white elites who will be running things. Manson was just ahead of the times.

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (7HtZB)

182 The whole point has been that the #NeverTrump crowd are the 'uniparty' types, the ones who say they'll fight Democrats tooth and nail but then end up agreeing with them on 99% of the things that matter and never actually opposing the growth of big government.

----------

Do you really believe that? Most of the NeverTrump crowd appears to be highly conservative voices on the Internet. Fair to question their purity, but most do not want big government and have fought or argued against Hillary and the Dems for a long time. Most were against Romney too - at least in the primary.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

183 There are simply too many intact heads.

I want Trump to win solely so that all those heads explode as nature intended.

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (jBuUi)

184 And once again the trolls win. The discussion of the Federal overreach is sidetracked. I'm as guilty as the rest of you for engaging 'person'. But I shall endeavor to do better.

Posted by: Grump928(c) can likewise assert stuff at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (evdj2)

185 I'll have no problem opposing Trump for what he actually might do. Frankly, he's the only one of the two that the system (the voters, the media, and the political class) will even try to rein in.

Hillary will ride the Clinton (and Democrat, and Womyn) Immunity from Prosecution that will let her go as Stalinist as she likes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (3hIZX)

186 Why do you want to see the country reduced to a single party state under a big-government authoritarian party?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:27 PM (mFkVC)

Already happened. Those we trusted went to Washington and refused to use either the power of the purse or their oversight powers to curb abuses, thus entirely removing one of the three branches of government and destroying the little remaining balance of power.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (xoTYj)

187 Did "person" leave, or did the Ravage break loose?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (1ZOkK)

188 So people think that only the other side virtue signals?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (mFkVC)

189 Personally I think the media is overplaying its hand with all the "Trump - oh the horror!" stories.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (7lVbc)

190 "I see an inordinate number of new name trolls. They hit every election cycle. At least we know now how much Scankles has set aside for paying astroturfing trolls to hit the 'net."

Morons note. You are taxing Hillary's coffers by forcing her to send paid stooges here to comment. They are paying so that you can play whack a troll.

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (C6xeQ)

191 more criminalization of dissent

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (oAY8z)

192 Some places are already banning the American Flag.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM

I've quite a few stories that kids in public schools are forced to remove clothing withthe American flag for various reasons.

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (bksJQ)

193 Heh. What would be great fun would be directing the armed wings of the EPA, Dept of Ed, and the IRS to battle it out for funding.

Theyre all well-armed, so it would be amusing, instructive, and - in the long run - cost-effective.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (q4DZA)

194 189 Personally I think the media is overplaying its hand with all the "Trump - oh the horror!" stories.

I hope... He draws huge crowds at his ralleys... That hasn't changed... Hillary can't even fill a HS gym ...

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (O2RFr)

195 fat sweaty asshole needs buttfucking by a giant bison. on main street. on the fourth of july. he will give birth to another democrat.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (KP5rU)

196 And once again the trolls win. The discussion of the Federal overreach is sidetracked. I'm as guilty as the rest of you for engaging 'person'. But I shall endeavor to do better.

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In fairness, Ace opened it up. His blog - that's fine. But he lobbed the first grenade.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (gmeXX)

197 person, 159:

"You are signalling your superiority to the poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary and, probably, your opposition to the 'elites,' with whom you associate Saltlick."

So every time anyone argues with anyone, they're implying their own superiority, therefore virtue-signaling?

Uselessly broad. If everything is virtue-signaling, nothing is. (Hey, look, now I'm doing it too.)

Posted by: JPS at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (ueucK)

198 Most were against Romney too - at least in the primary.

Did they try to derail Romney once he was the nominee? How 'bout McCain? Did they vote for Obama to show how principled they were, in either 08 or 12?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (s/EUv)

199 I'm still not 100% sure how this virtue signaling works on an anonymous forum like this. On Twitter or Facebook, I get it - your real name and face is attached to that. I guess for the Horde, the 'regulars' are 'real' people in that some of us have very well-known internet personae. People know atc. People know Seamus Muldoon. People know zombie.

But at the end of the day, what does 'broseidon king of the brocean' gain by signaling my virtue on an anonymous forum? Eh, forgot it Jake, it's Web 2.0town.

(Well, Pixy is like Web 0.001 actually....)

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (kumBu)

200 >>I'm as guilty as the rest of you for engaging 'person'. But I shall endeavor to do better.

Oh, so you're just going to signal that you're better than us?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (/tuJf)

201 Demoralization. It's psychological warfare. And it seems to be working with some people.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (zoehZ)

================
Yep. Demoralization. "I'm wither Her!" apparently isn't working as well as "Make America Great Again!", so demoralize (with both meanings) is the tactic du jour. Don't buy it. God, Guns, And Liberty messaging is on the way, I expect.

Posted by: mrp at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (JBggj)

202
....Most of the NeverTrump crowd appears to be highly conservative voices on the Internet....

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

"Appears" being the keyword.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (0cMkb)

203 So people think that only the other side virtue signals?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:37 PM (mFkVC)

Almost everyone thinks only other people do things for bad reasons.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (wB8Tg)

204 Pretty much any political statement in a public forum is designed in part to signal the speakers virtue.

You are signalling your superiority to the poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary and, probably, your opposition to the "elites," with whom you associate Saltlick.

Virtue signaling works more than one way
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (mFkVC)

Oh.

Oh honey no.

No, I'm just being an utter bitch.

You see, I've had it up to above Bander's head with this necessity of people in each and every thread to go out of their way to make sure that everyone knows that they are SOOOOOOOOOO much purer in supporting conservative principles and thus telling us how awful Trump is and the countervailing response that prove that others are SOOOOOOOOOOO much purer in defeating Hillary and how any opposition to Trump is #NeverTrumptard nonsense.

Yeah. All of that is as annoying as it is boring.

So all of that reading between the lines you tried to impute into me being an utter bitch? Not so much with the accurate. I mean, frankly, I don't know about you but I don't precisely consider bitchiness to be a virtue. Thus whatever it was that I was signaling, it wasn't virtue.

But, hey, thanks for making massive assumptions about me! That's. So. Awesome! Here. Have this lemon bar. No. Really. Go ahead. Take it.

I triple dog dare you.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

205
I've quite a few stories that kids in public schools are forced to remove clothing withthe American flag for various reasons.

Especially on cinco da mayo..Mustn't make the Hispanics feel bad or some crap as they wave their Mexican flags in our faces...

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:40 PM (O2RFr)

206 Gee, I wonder how they would feel about the Knights Templar cross patch I have on my backpack.

Posted by: V the K at August 04, 2016 03:40 PM (O7MnT)

207 Hillary Fucking Clinton has a pre-written plan to get her fucking boot on your neck until it breaks. She will have the political system re-written until opposition is impossible, and you have perpetual domination of the far Left.

If you think Trump will do worse than that, you're nuts.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:32 PM (Mt8T4)

The Democrats bowed to their O'god who wanted to lower the oceans. And heal all 57 states.

The nevertrumpers are doing the same for Hillary. They don't get it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:40 PM (qCMvj)

208 : i have two grills. think i will fire them both up on high. grill up some thunderthighs. and, maybe some taters too.Posted by: chavez the hugo

If a charcoal grill isn't safe inside the house, it shouldn't be used outside the house either. When Hillary and Bill Clinton resume residence in the white house, I hope that she issues a presidential directive that bans those primitive instruments of grilling meat. *shudders*

(Warming up to this trolling stuff)

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (ZnIt3)

209 Oh, so you're just going to signal that you're better than us?

In all honesty ...

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (evdj2)

210 ....Most of the NeverTrump crowd appears to be highly conservative voices on the Internet....

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

"Appears" being the keyword.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (0cMkb)

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If not supporting Trump is your sole barometer, then fine. But to say that Jay Cost or Baseball Crank or even Drew basically agree with 99% of the uniparty is just wrong.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (gmeXX)

211 Heh. I wonder what's on the other end of the lemon bar?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (1ZOkK)

212 So every time anyone argues with anyone, they're implying their own superiority, therefore virtue-signaling?

Uselessly broad. If everything is virtue-signaling, nothing is. (Hey, look, now I'm doing it too.)
Posted by: JPS at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (ueucK)
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Well, largely, yes.

When I declare "I'm NeverTrump," that's virtue signalling.

When someone declares "I hate NeverTrump," that's virtue signalling.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (mFkVC)

213 As for the criminalization of dissent.

This is worse than that. This makes employers agents of repression. Toldja - they won't need to build camps; they'll just turn the whole society into one.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (q4DZA)

214
So every time anyone argues with anyone, they're implying their own superiority, therefore virtue-signaling?

Mobius Signalling!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (3hIZX)

215 204-and here we have example no. 23454234 of whyAtC is the Empress...

Posted by: Moki at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (ezHMO)

216 Heh. "wither Her" works, too

Posted by: mrp at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (JBggj)

217 At least they can now digitally alter photos to reflect the current sensibilities, instead of the crappy cut and paste jobs of the former USSR. Some of those were really amateur.
Posted by: Moki at August 04, 2016 03:25 PM (ezHMO)

I think that that might have been kind of the point: we can change history, at will, and don't even need to bother hiding it all that well, because no one will dare to question us.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (SRKgf)

218 Virtue signaling works more than one way

Virtue Signaling, See also: micro-agressions, safe spaces and white privilege. Imaginary problems w/imaginary solutions, paid for with other people's* money.
*Not person's money. I'm pretty sure Xe gets a refund.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (SeD0w)

219 100 Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:23 PM (mFkVC)

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What she is doing is called "sarcasm". She's not saying she's better than anyone else, or seeking others' approval.

/She demands obedience, being the Empress.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (i6shs)

220

Trump talking about Somalis in Minnesota.

good

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (qCMvj)

221 You are signalling your superiority to the
poster, largely via your implied greater dedication to defeating Hillary
and, probably, your opposition to the "elites," with whom you associate
Saltlick.

Virtue signaling works more than one way

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:31 PM (mFkVC)

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And then there's "condescension". I'm sure you think that you're just as much of a genius as Fredo is.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (Fmupd)

222 that's virtue signalling.

I'm signaling something with my hand right now can you guess what it is?

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (O2RFr)

223 Well said ace.

In other news, the WSJ basically called Trump an idiot in an editorial and implied that they would not endorse him.

http://tinyurl.com/j8ja2h8

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (F1iXz)

224 Yeah. All of that is as annoying as it is boring.

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No more annoying than everyone else saying you have to vote for Trump simply because he is not Hillary. Person is right, everyone is virtue signalling to some extent. So let's stop calling it VS or trolling. You want a truce, let's have it. But both sides bring it up and engage in it and continue the discussion.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (gmeXX)

225 Morons note. You are taxing Hillary's coffers by forcing her to send paid stooges here to comment. They are paying so that you can play whack a troll.

Soros has billions. He can afford it.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (AY/TT)

226 >>In all honesty ...

I suppose that attitude is ok for some people but I was raised to be a better person than that.

I bid you Good Day, Sir. I say, Good Day!

Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (/tuJf)

227 Hillary can't even fill a HS gym ...

Doesn't matter. With early voting, Demoncrats have over a month to drag the FSA away from their crack pipes and afternoon TV to vote; or just fill out the mail-in ballots for them.

Posted by: V the K at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (O7MnT)

228 I'm signaling something with my hand right now can you guess what it is?

I've tried for years to come up with some ASCII representation of a wanking motion but to no avail.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (evdj2)

229 Jefferson was also a slave owner (and i presume he traded a few). So would anything he wrote also be 'problematic'?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (h/uSM)

230 >everyone is virtue signalling to some extent

Some people are just saying true stuff. Not 'signaling' anything.

Posted by: Lea at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (lIU4e)

231 Morons note. You are taxing Hillary's coffers by forcing her to send paid stooges here to comment. They are paying so that you can play whack a troll.

---

But maybe THIS TIME, if I whack it, it won't go back up.

Wow, that came out wrong.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (KUaJL)

232 One thing I would posit, very reverently and innocuously, is that this country has been trying to figure out what it was for the better part of 250 years. Revolution, Whiskey Rebellion. War of 1812. Civil War. Western Expansion. Spanish-American War.

We've had Tea-Tollers take over Congress. Pacifists leave us totally unready for world war.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (AiL64)

233
Heh. I wonder what's on the other end of the lemon bar?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM

PARTY!!

Posted by: Don Lemon at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (IqV8l)

234 154
The American flag will be banned too. The stars and stripes flew longer over a slave state then the Confederate flag did.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at August 04, 2016 03:30 PM (BDZWU)

That has already happened in some CA school districts. But it was because it triggered the offended mexican illegals.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (mpXpK)

235 211 Heh. I wonder what's on the other end of the lemon bar?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (1ZOkK)

Lemon bars lead to lemon parties.

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (7HtZB)

236 I can't believe the American people are putting up with this. Too lazy to heat the tar barrel.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (7ZVPa)

237 I'll bet it really chaps their asses that Clint Eastwood wil be voting Trump. Meanwhile #nevertrump has a bunch of truffle shufflers like Erickson

Posted by: ryukyu at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (960oq)

238 No more annoying than everyone else saying you have to vote for Trump simply because he is not Hillary.

That's an argument, albeit a simple one, not a signal.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (evdj2)

239 I cannot wait until I'm told I have to wear a burka because clothing that shows my curves is offensive to muslims. I fear most blacks don't know enough history to counter with "a burka is an offensive symbol of the slave trade" + muslims win the hierarchy because no PTB wants a fatwa or whatever issued on their head. That would force me violate the policy and be fired to maintain my internal code that I will never convert, pay a Dhimmi tax etc.

Posted by: Palerider at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (dkExz)

240 Do you really believe that? Most of the NeverTrump crowd appears to be highly conservative voices on the Internet. Fair to question their purity, but most do not want big government and have fought or argued against Hillary and the Dems for a long time. Most were against Romney too - at least in the primary.
Posted by: SH

I would disagree with that.

A lot of the conservative voices have a particular blend of "conservatism" that some would call liberalism.

Most of the prominent NeverTrumpers are NeoCons that want constant war and nation building. They are also absolutely fanatical about the idea of amnesty and a very open immigration process, taking in refuggees, nation building etc

The other stuff they just sort of give lip service to.

But if these same "conservatives" are wanting Hillary over Trump, are they really that principled when it comes to conservative ideology?

That's the acid test to me.

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (1NTNJ)

241 Hey, is person Cat-piss by any chance? That particular ghoul hasn't been around lately, but since it's an election cycle, it's is the time he/she/it would lurch back in and stink up the comments.Posted by: Moki

Nah. Cat-piss comments are usually one sentence, maybe two. Often related to some radio personality she's listening to.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (ZnIt3)

242 Every time I ask myself how in the hell Obama ever got elected, then re-elected, and now Clinton is a serious contender, I go out and see (now that it's summer) people slathered in cartoon tattoos and idiotic writings on their arms and legs. I find it so disheartening and deeply depressing.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (CFc5L)

243 So is the US Navy Gadsden Flag also verbotin?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (zp+j1)

244

I've stated in the past that we have no idea how bad it will be, the colleges are creating monstrous people...

I think we have yet to see just how bad it will get, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

That weasel who Hewitt interviwed made so many insane arguments against trump, he must have been paid to say such stupid shit.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (sItQg)

245 I'm signaling something with my hand right now can you guess what it is?
Posted by: donna

Nope. Not gonna snark a well respected 'ette for a cheap joke.
Not gonna do it.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (AY/TT)

246 220

Trump talking about Somalis in Minnesota.

good
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (qCMvj)

And so begins a new cycle of MSM/social media outrage

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:45 PM (7HtZB)

247 #neverTrumpers all are beneficiaries of the Leviathan.

There is no other answer than that. There is no logic in advocating an American Republic and helping Hillary to be president.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (uHFrd)

248 A picture of a coiled snake with don't tread on me written below it is a valuable public safety message

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do they have those with alligators?

Posted by: dead nebraska kid at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (h/uSM)

249 Have this lemon bar.

*whispering* don't do it.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (SeD0w)

250 I go out and see (now that it's summer) people slathered in cartoon tattoos and idiotic writings on their arms and legs. I find it so disheartening and deeply depressing.

I comfort myself by imagining how long they would survive an all out social collapse.

Posted by: V the K at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (O7MnT)

251 236 I can't believe the American people are putting up with this. Too lazy to heat the tar barrel.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (7ZVPa)
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By the way, and to return to a discussion from yesterday, THIS story is exactly the sort of PC that we should be attacking with all our might. This is stifling of speech and debate.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (mFkVC)

252 The Left gets to define all words and all symbols.

Take the "Confederate flag," which has been used in many contexts and with several meanings. They ignore its use as a memorial to the dead, as a regional symbol, as a sign of rebellion to authority. They ONLY see it in its negative past uses. So it is banned --- and no one dare display it now that it is defined as only evil.

It will not stop.

One of the very few conservatives I've met at work in academe is an Orthodox Jew. When the OMG-Dylan-Roof-is-Confederate!!! frenzy was in full swing, she said, "Today the rebel flag, tomorrow the Star of David."

She may be right.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (T/5A0)

253
Nope. Not gonna snark a well respected 'ette for a cheap joke.
Not gonna do it.

It could be the Victory sign...

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (O2RFr)

254 Doesn't matter. With early voting, Demoncrats have over a month to drag the FSA away from their crack pipes and afternoon TV to vote; or just fill out the mail-in ballots for them.
Posted by: V the K at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (O7MnT)

and Buffet will limo drive them...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:46 PM (qCMvj)

255 What is your business MAKES "Don't Tread On Me" flags?

Posted by: Max Power at August 04, 2016 03:47 PM (q177U)

256 229 Jefferson was also a slave owner (and i presume he traded a few). So would anything he wrote also be 'problematic'?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (h/uSM)

The only good Founding Father was Hamilton, because he was black.

/LIV

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:47 PM (7HtZB)

257 she wasn't virtue signalling. she was making fun of you for being a pathetic troll.

Posted by: Gaff at August 04, 2016 03:47 PM (jPS2y)

258 No more annoying than everyone else saying you have to vote for Trump simply because he is not Hillary.

That's an argument, albeit a simple one, not a signal.

And one I've heard every election since '88.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:47 PM (AY/TT)

259 "Complainant stated that he found the cap to be racially offensive to African Americans because the flag was designed by Christopher Gadsden, a 'slave trader & owner of slaves.'"

My wife Michelle has to wake up in a house built by slaves.

She has to read a Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson, a slaveholder.

She has to suffer white people having legal rights in this country because of the Bill of Rights, written by James Madison, a slaveholder.

Much of America was built by slaves, for example the Intercontinental Railroad. I could give many more examples.

I have today directed Attorney General Lynch to implement a plan in which, as recompense for slavery, every white household in America shall be required to take into their home and support a family of Muslim immigrants.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 04, 2016 03:47 PM (5xDis)

260 12 Trump was never going to win the general. His defeat will not be because of NeverTrumpers; it will be because he was the wrong candidate from the beginning. It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else.

Ace and other #TrumpErs refuse to acknowledge that their support of the man is the reason he's lasted this long. Even if he dropped out today, the non-Left is unlikely to recover. Well done lads.

Posted by: thrill at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (n7Lib)

261 Most of the prominent NeverTrumpers are NeoCons that want constant war and nation building. They are also absolutely fanatical about the idea of amnesty and a very open immigration process, taking in refuggees, nation building etc

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That's fair, there are the NeoCon nevertrumpers - though they are also usually immigration restrictionists.

But I would garner that most of the vocal NeverTrumpers were generally held in fairly high esteem by many right up until they became NeverTrumpers.

That's fine to use that one reason for writing them off, but it is not correct to say they support 99% of the UniParty.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (gmeXX)

262 No more annoying than everyone else saying you have to vote for Trump simply because he is not Hillary. Person is right, everyone is virtue signalling to some extent. So let's stop calling it VS or trolling. You want a truce, let's have it. But both sides bring it up and engage in it and continue the discussion.
Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (gmeXX)
*******
Serious question, what do you gain by making the same argument over and over again? You don't actually want a truce. You seem to just want to argue so you can hear your own words and get a response.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (6IPEM)

263 Most of the prominent NeverTrumpers are NeoCons that want constant war and nation building. They are also absolutely fanatical about the idea of amnesty and a very open immigration process, taking in refuggees, nation building etc

i don't believe that at all.

Most Never Trump people are democrats in sheep clothing and liars. And some are real conservatives that just hate Trump ( and for some good reasons).

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (zp+j1)

264 I want Trump to win solely so that all those heads explode as nature intended.
Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:36 PM (jBuUi)

Mmmm, Kingsmen.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (7lVbc)

265 AHEM.

Wasn't the Democrat Party ALSO created by slave owners?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (3hIZX)

266 208: you are getting the hang of this. make about as much sense as the clinton crime family. i love it. how bout them chompers on webbs daughter?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (KP5rU)

267 No more annoying than everyone else saying you have to vote for Trump simply because he is not Hillary. Person is right, everyone is virtue signalling to some extent. So let's stop calling it VS or trolling. You want a truce, let's have it. But both sides bring it up and engage in it and continue the discussion.
Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (gmeXX)

Please set out exactly when I have ever stated that someone has to vote for Trump because he is not Hillary.

Not someone else. Not ace. Me. Because, you see, you quoted me and you replied to me and thus you are placing me into that group.

So. Show your evidence. Show when I have ever once said that anyone *has to* vote for Trump because he's not Hillary.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (mf5HN)

268 257 she wasn't virtue signalling. she was making fun of you for being a pathetic troll.
Posted by: Gaff at August 04, 2016 03:47 PM (jPS2y)

She wasn't originally talking to me. I just thrust my dumb head in.

And virtue signalling can certainly be mockery - very easily.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (mFkVC)

269 Hello, thread.

I have two obvious ideas which I hope have arleady been beaten to death.

(1) Some places on the internet say that Betsy Ross or her husband had a slave, so the American flag must be racist.

(ii) Virginia makes Gadsden license plates, so that's rolling racisim.

Posted by: The Barrel at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (mgbwf)

270 Nope. Not gonna snark a well respected 'ette for a cheap joke.
Not gonna do it.

It could be the Victory sign...

Could be like Helen Keller and signaling an orgasm.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (AY/TT)

271 If only someone had warned us during the primary that Trump's lack of discipline and penchant for flame wars would be an electoral liability.

Posted by: V the K at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (O7MnT)

272 246 220

Trump talking about Somalis in Minnesota.

good
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:42 PM (qCMvj)

And so begins a new cycle of MSM/social media outrage
Posted by: josephistan

Double-good!

The only way out for Trump from this current news cycle is to ultra-gaffe himself into another different media anti-Trump meltdown on a fresh topic.

And every time they go berserk about his latest offense, up the ante with something even more offensive.

The sooner he does this and the more extreme the "gaffes," the better, because the goal is to induce "headline burnout" on the part of the LIVs so they numbed and immune to any late-minute hyperbole.

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (jBuUi)

273 229
Jefferson was also a slave owner (and i presume he traded a few). So would anything he wrote also be 'problematic'?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 04, 2016 03:43 PM (h/uSM)

If you ever see any "history" done by PBS or the propaganda channel with history in the title you will see they always have a race mongering black on there to tear down Jefferson and promote that Sally Hemings lie.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (mpXpK)

274 Ace and other #TrumpErs refuse to acknowledge that
their support of the man is the reason he's lasted this long. Even if
he dropped out today, the non-Left is unlikely to recover. Well done
lads.

Posted by: thrill at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (n7Lib)

"Lads"? Misogynist!!!!eleventy!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (1ZOkK)

275 But to say that Jay Cost or Baseball Crank or even Drew basically agree with 99% of the uniparty is just wrong.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (gmeXX)

Don't know if the percentage of their support is 99% or 98.395% or 76%-

but it's obviously high enough that they don't mind Hillary! picking 2-4 SC judges-

and continuing and expanding the policies that are destroying the Middle Class and American freedom (see Gadsden flag above)-

and endangering our American troops because they don't give a flying fuck about the people under their command. (see Benghazi)-

so yeah, all those assholes clearly agree with the Uniparty enough to support and it or at the very least leave it in place.

Your argument is silly.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (0cMkb)

276
Ace and other #TrumpErs

As someone who's been here a looooonng effing time, allow me to laugh my fat white ass off at that.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:50 PM (3hIZX)

277 Doesn't matter what the Never Trump crowd thinks about conservative principles and the constitution.

Actions matter.

At the time of choosing, they chose poorly.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:50 PM (7lVbc)

278 Wasn't the Democrat Party ALSO created by slave owners?

By and for. Indeed, it remains dedicated to holding the black man down. First as a slave, then as a serf, finally as a dependent, soon to be replaced and eliminated.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:50 PM (evdj2)

279
And every time they go berserk about his latest offense, up the ante with something even more offensive.

Like eating KFC with a knife and fork... Scandalous!

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:50 PM (O2RFr)

280 Trump talking about Somalis in Minnesota.
.............

Phew. At least he's not talking about Goobacks.

Posted by: wth at August 04, 2016 03:50 PM (HgMAr)

281 51 [X] Folded, Spindled, Mutilated, and Incinerated.

By Spit and Rince Priebus himself and the long tale "strategy" of 15 candidates on the ballot.

Posted by: Wendy at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (bpemY)

282 You see, I've had it up to above Bander's head with this necessity of people in each and every thread to go out of their way to make sure that everyone knows that they are SOOOOOOOOOO much purer in supporting conservative principles

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

I'm sure no one is tired of ten months of the reverse. Because it has been at least that long, and frequently with various insults such as "shill, idiot, stupid, traitor, liar..."

That could not possibly be old hat.

But it's okay, it's not like Trump needs votes, so duly tell any and all not on the bandwagon to fuck the fuck off. There will be no consequences.

This is like the least persuasive movement *ever*. Seriously, "vote for me or fuck off" is *not* going to win.

History may know this as the "I'm So Mad I Ate My Hat" election.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (wB8Tg)

283 "In the camps? We'll be lucky to have rags to wear. Sally Kohn will be one of our guards.
Posted by: Jane D'oh"

We should be so lucky. That incompetent dunce Kohn would make Sgt Schultz from Hogan's Hero's look like a rocket scientist.

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (JTwsP)

284 265 AHEM.

Wasn't the Democrat Party ALSO created by slave owners?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

Not only that, it was created for the express purposes of DEFENDING AND PRESERVING the institution of slavery.

Thus, we must now ban the Democratic Party.

Posted by: zombie at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (jBuUi)

285 what about the icebacks of minnesota?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (KP5rU)

286 It's unfortunate so many of his primary voters didn't see what he was in time, but they need to take ownership of that bad decision, not blame anyone else.

Sorry Trump got the nomination not so much because of Trump voters, but because the Establishment sold us out so much, that many people so no need to ever support an establishment candidate ever again--and that was about 90% of those running in the Primaries. And also because none of those Einsteins saw that by al staying they were assuring Trump of a victory. And unfortunetaly Cruz never caught on for many reasons.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (zp+j1)

287 When I declare "I'm NeverTrump," that's virtue signalling.

When someone declares "I hate NeverTrump," that's virtue signalling.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:41 PM (mFkVC)

Well then, this is a virtually stupid conversation....in the extreme....virtually.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (Enq6K)

288 The stupid of this EEOC action is amazing,'

Next up EEOC says flags of Southern states should not be displayed because they are hostile?

NC flag? Remake of Second CSA flag

GA flag? The second CSA flag with an insert.

FL flag? Cross represents CSA battle flag, stars and bars

AL flag? Same as FL

MS flag? Includes battle flag

TX flag? Basically the second CSA flag, but it was the same as Republic of Texas flag.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (F1iXz)

289

She wasn't originally talking to me. I just thrust my dumb head in.

And virtue signalling can certainly be mockery - very easily.
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 03:49 PM (mFkVC)

---------------

I am better than you. There! I said it!

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (Fmupd)

290 Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 03:21 PM (ZnIt3)

Brother, you've got your work cut out for you if you think you're going to top the Mary Cloggenstien sock. But I wish you luck, cause that "chick" cracks me up.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (G2Sc9)

291 Serious question, what do you gain by making the same argument over and over again? You don't actually want a truce. You seem to just want to argue so you can hear your own words and get a response.
Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (6IPEM)

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I'll take a truce, but when Ace specifically addresses the NeverTrump crowd, it will generate a response.

You want to talk about the EEOC - let's talk about it. Do you really think Trump is going to change the EEOC? I don't. Sure it may not be as bad, but the EEOC is staffed with who it is staffed with. Is he going to fire everyone? You want to stop this shit - there is only one way - eliminate the EEOC. The Courts aren't going to stop this.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (gmeXX)

292 "Uselessly broad. If everything is virtue-signaling, nothing is. (Hey, look, now I'm doing it too.)

Posted by: JPS at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (ueucK) "

Agreed. Trying to best someone in an argument does not always carry the subtext of "Oh, and also, I'm better and more virtuous/pure than you."

It *can*. But it doesn't have to. And I think it's usually pretty obvious when it does.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (kumBu)

293 " The big government policies Trump would push would receive more support then the same policies from Clinton because their would not even be nominal opposition."

Oh, puh - leeze.

They would receive bipartisan opposition, based on what we're seeing right now.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (gUoN4)

294 Oh, I forgot to unsock the Barrel just then.

promote that Sally Hemings lie.

What lie? DNA has proven it and she was his wife's half-sister in the first place.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (mgbwf)

295 Don't give any money to "racial grievers" that could trigger them. That means all future welfare payments are single 5 dollar bills.

Posted by: Roy at August 04, 2016 03:53 PM (VndSC)

296 :::sits quietly in back row with composition book and box of Crayolas:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 04, 2016 03:53 PM (5BzqW)

297 i heard ronald reagan owned slaves. true?

some dumbfuck liv.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:53 PM (KP5rU)

298 You want to talk about the EEOC - let's talk
about it. Do you really think Trump is going to change the EEOC? I
don't. Sure it may not be as bad, but the EEOC is staffed with who it
is staffed with. Is he going to fire everyone? You want to stop this
shit - there is only one way - eliminate the EEOC. The Courts aren't
going to stop this.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (gmeXX)

So we eliminate it by voting for Not Trump?

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (Enq6K)

299 :::sits quietly in back row with composition book and box of Crayolas:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 04, 2016 03:53 PM (5BzqW)

*raises hand*

I would like to color too please.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (mf5HN)

300 Most of the prominent NeverTrumpers are NeoCons that want constant war and nation building. They are also absolutely fanatical about the idea of amnesty and a very open immigration process, taking in refuggees, nation building etc

i don't believe that at all.

Most Never Trump people are democrats in sheep clothing and liars. And some are real conservatives that just hate Trump ( and for some good reasons).
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I'm talking about outlets like the Weekly Standard with Kristol, Podohertz, a lot of the National Review editors, etc.

But yes, 99% of the "Trump is such an awful conservative that Hillary winning would be best" is astroturf from pretend conservatives to demoralize Trump support because they are scared shitless.

Its pretty to easy for most conservatives to pull the handle for Trump but not to endorse every cringe worthy exchange. Why that's so hard for this tiny group is beyond me, but much of it is ego and the idea of no longer being relevant

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (1NTNJ)

301 What lie? DNA has proven it

It proved that she was impregnated by some male of the Jefferson household. There are several candidates.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (evdj2)

302 Ace and other #TrumpErs refuse to acknowledge that
their support of the man is the reason he's lasted this long. Even if
he dropped out today, the non-Left is unlikely to recover. Well done
lads.

Posted by: thrill at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (n7Lib)

the majority here, including Ace weren't pro-Trump in the primaries.

But the votes gave Trump the win. So, because some do not like it, we're "Trumpers?"

I know this is awful repetitive, but we held our nose for George, Romney, McCain, and I bet we would have held our noses for Mario or whoever.

So, it's Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (qCMvj)

303 Wow. My business would tragically suffer a layoff of personnel that would include at least two bitches what bitch too much.

Call it a response to a downturn in the Clinton global economy.

Posted by: Fritz at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (WYh6/)

304 288 - The Mississippi state flag was removed from Broad Street in Philadelphia's row of state flags during the DNC. Not sure if it's been restored yet.

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (7HtZB)

305 Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:50 PM (7lVbc)

I typed and deleted. Couldn't get it right.

Votermom said it for me.

Let's continue to let that Kelly Ayotte,Renee Ellmers, Ron Johnson chicken screw us.

Posted by: Golfman at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (48QDY)

306 So we eliminate it by voting for Not Trump?
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (Enq6K)

Some of the people who refuse to vote for Trump can't seem to put 2 and 2 together to come up with 4

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (zp+j1)

307 From the article, sounds like some people would rather get cash from the government than hold a job.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (AroJD)

308 I thought jefferson and his brother, either, could have been the father. DNA couldn't determine which male thought.

Posted by: nckate at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (QvwhC)

309 243. I was about to bring that up too
I have one from my last ship on my Wall o' Ego at home

Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (NHXI1)

310 263 Most of the prominent NeverTrumpers are NeoCons that want constant war and nation building. They are also absolutely fanatical about the idea of amnesty and a very open immigration process, taking in refuggees, nation building etc
-------------------------------------------------------
i don't believe that at all.

Most Never Trump people are democrats in sheep clothing and liars. And some are real conservatives that just hate Trump ( and for some good reasons).

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:48 PM (zp+j1)

Most of the prominent NeverTrumpers are ex- Democrats who now proclaim themselves Republicans.
Bill Kristol, Freddie Barnes, Charles Krauthammer to name a few.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (uHFrd)

311 the majority here, including Ace weren't pro-Trump in the primaries.

But the votes gave Trump the win. So, because some do not like it, we're "Trumpers?"

I know this is awful repetitive, but we held our nose for George, Romney, McCain, and I bet we would have held our noses for Mario or whoever.

So, it's Trump.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (qCMvj)

Exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (zp+j1)

312 Who is the thick, stacked blonde who is hostessing NBCSports Olympic coverage right now?

She looks like a comfortable ride.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (TjcfH)

313 You want to talk about the EEOC - let's talk
about it. Do you really think Trump is going to change the EEOC? I
don't. Sure it may not be as bad, but the EEOC is staffed with who it
is staffed with. Is he going to fire everyone? You want to stop this
shit - there is only one way - eliminate the EEOC. The Courts aren't
going to stop this.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (gmeXX)

So we eliminate it by voting for Not Trump?
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (Enq6K)

------------

Until Trump comes out and campaigns on eliminating the EEOC, I'll just assume it will continue to wreck havoc on American businesses.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (gmeXX)

314 They won chasing the Stars and Bars down, one could only see they would move to a new target. Thats what leftists do.

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (bksJQ)

315

hehe, Trump hammering "liar" Hillary

crowd chants are great "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (qCMvj)

316 Important notice to MY trolls. I'm not paying you little bitches after 4:00 PM Eastern time. You abused my generosity of paying you 25 cents per hour by claiming overtime after 4. George Soros is not paying me to overpay you selfish little scrunts. Now get back to work as you still have 4 minutes on the clock.

Posted by: Hillary "Felon" Clinton at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (22uju)

317 So, it's Trump.

Sadly so, but so. Move the scrum or get off the field.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (evdj2)

318 >>>*raises hand*

I would like to color too please.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (mf5HN)

:::shoves 62 crayons into USB port, keeps blue and green:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (5BzqW)

319 I honestly don't think my vote... or anyone's vote... even matters any more the way Trump is browning the duvet cover on a daily basis.

I'm looking beyond the election and just trying to figure out how to make it to 2020.

Posted by: V the K at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (O7MnT)

320 "Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM (G2Sc9) "

What's the one that actually spells out SOCK? Something Olivia-Cuthbertson Klein. Susan, maybe? That's one of my favorite fake trolls.

But yes, Mary Cloggenstein is a legend.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (kumBu)

321 301 What lie? DNA has proven it

It proved that she was impregnated by some male of the Jefferson household. There are several candidates.
Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (evdj2)

The most likely being Jefferson's brother, who had fathered several children by his slaves & was living with Thomas at the time. It's possible Jefferson was sterile, as he had no known children (unless you count the child with her).

Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (7HtZB)

322 Is it a stain on Jefferson's reputation that he had sex with a negress?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (mgbwf)

323 Some of the people who refuse to vote for Trump can't seem to put 2 and 2 together to come up with 4

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (zp+j1)

I just don't get what exactly they want us to do? I really don't.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (Enq6K)

324 lynndh at 15: "F them. I will wear my hat and my t shirt, when and where I want."

Well, bully for you. And when you wear it to work, your employer will be forced to terminate you, or face the threat of a crippling lawsuit by the guy next to you who takes offense at your hat. That's the point here -- the government isn't holding a gun to your head. They're empowering other people to sue you or your employer, to seize their assets under threat of arms after the suit is won -- they'll hold the gun to your head then, literally -- and they'll control your speech that way. No one wants to get fired or lose a huge lawsuit.

You can say "F them" all you want. There's no amount of bravado that will protect your job. You'll be fired. This isn't a problem we can bluster our way out of, with masturbatory fantasies about standing up to the man and saying "go ahead and make me, you and what army." The United States Army, that's which one.

And I swear to all that's holy that if one more of you Texicans says "TEXIT", I will lose my shit. We already fought one goddamned civil war. One is enough. Again, it's intellectual masturbation. Nobody's going to fucking Texit or Arizexit or Pennsylvexit anything. It reminds me of AllenS's "salt the earth" defeatist schtick. Jesus did that get old -- but it made a few people feel better.

The way we change this is: We win the election, at every level, and we keep winning them, and we put decent constitutionalists in every seat and on every court.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (OWWiT)

325 288 Posted by: Nip Sip at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (F1iXz)

The current GA flag no longer has the Naval Jack incorporated in it. They had a major fight with a former governor over that and he had it changed to a new one anyway. He was ran out of office in the next election. Atlanta and Macon has not had enough cockroaches from Detroit come down yet,

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (mpXpK)

326 I have no illusions about Trump's ideology. But when it comes to violating precious conservative principles of limited government, has Trump ever said anything that can compare to W's "Whenever someone is hurting, government has got to move"? But I don't remember the #NeverW movement rising to rescue the cause of conservatism by extolling the relative virtues of Al Gore.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (nFdGS)

327 I have one from my last ship on my Wall o' Ego at home
Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 04, 2016 03:55 PM (NHXI1)

And I am sure the fucks on the EEOC do NOT know the difference...Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (zp+j1)

328 the majority here, including Ace weren't pro-Trump in the primaries.

And how.

Our new little one-name friend should go look up some of Ace's meltdowns after some of the debates.

Ace is down to the 'lesser of two evils' level, but he's not what I would call a fan of Donald.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (3hIZX)

329 :::shoves 62 crayons into USB port, keeps blue and green:::
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (5BzqW)

HEY!

Ohhhh purple!

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (mf5HN)

330 I just don't get what exactly they want us to do?

Despair.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (evdj2)

331 >>It proved that she was impregnated by some male of the Jefferson household. There are several candidates.

Please - Don't tell Wheezie!

Posted by: George Jefferson at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (TjcfH)

332 The woman in the white dress?

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (bksJQ)

333 I love the Gadsden flag. And the Lone Star flag. I stopped flying the Stars and Stripes five years ago. I'll fly it again if I am still alive after everything plays out and the rebuilding begins.

Posted by: unequal pig at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (dToM4)

334 I'm looking beyond the election and just trying to figure out how to make it to 2020.

Or '26 or 30'or '34 ......

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 03:58 PM (O2RFr)

335 322: well, she was hot.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 03:58 PM (KP5rU)

336 What if someone gets a Gadsden tattoo? Are they unemployable?

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:58 PM (7lVbc)

337 "The sustaining, foundational myth of the #NeverTrump movement is that a
Hillary presidency is cost-free -- no difference between president
Hillary and President Trump, they say."

This "avoid the cost of a bad Democrat president at any price" argument ignores the fact that there will, sooner or later, be a bad Democrat in the office regardless of whether Trump wins. We know from history that the presidency swings right to left and back every 4 - 16 years. I know some Republicans think (after only 8 years) that the pendulum must be permanently stuck to the left and will only ratchet further left, but at this point that's only speculation (the leftist wave feels overwhelming, sure, but so did it after the last time a baby boom generation came of voting age). If the latter's the case I don't see how electing the most unpopular Republican president in history helps put an end to that overall left-ward drift of the nation, and if the former's still the case I'd rather not waste our right-ward pendulum swing on a useless, statist candidate who won't advocate conservatism and who alienates young voters we increasingly depend on with each passing year. We either make the best of the inevitable right-ward pendulum swings (which strikes me as not something Trump is the best suited for), or we make our own right-ward ratchet effect (which requires a lot more well thought out social engineering in mass scale, applied to skeptical demographics, than the right gives any evidence of being capable of).

If Hillary loses this year, Democrats run someone with less baggage and more likability in 2020 (which is pretty much anyone else they can field) and probably guarantee a win, especially after 4 years of non-stop embarrassing and exhausting Trump news (at bare minimum, in terms of trouble Trump can make for conservatives). All you do is delay this crap 4 years, and reward the Republican party for its cowardice, self-serving, and stupidity. If you ever cared about teaching the GOPe to get their shit together or pack their bags, there's never gonna be an easier Republican candidate to sit out on. There will, however, be an inexhaustible supply of intolerable Democrat presidential candidates on any given election cycle to make the case that "we can't possibly afford to lose THIS one!".

Posted by: reform highlander at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (jCH/T)

338 Until Trump comes out and campaigns on
eliminating the EEOC, I'll just assume it will continue to wreck havoc
on American businesses.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (gmeXX)

Please, tell me who you're voting for in November.

Did you vote for Romney in '12...cuz I don't remember him talking about eliminating the EEOC specifically?
Did you vote for McCain in '08...cuz I don't remember him talking about eliminating the EEOC specifically?

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (Enq6K)

339 >>The woman in the white dress?

She'd be the only woman...

got it on mute and generally ignoring it.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (TjcfH)

340 I cannot wait until I'm told I have to wear a burka because clothing that shows my curves is offensive to muslims. I fear most blacks don't know enough history to counter with "a burka is an offensive symbol of the slave trade" + muslims win the hierarchy because no PTB wants a fatwa or whatever issued on their head. That would force me violate the policy and be fired to maintain my internal code that I will never convert, pay a Dhimmi tax etc.

Posted by: Palerider at August 04, 2016 03:44 PM (dkExz)

The blacks that vote for the Democratic Party are already enslaved. I have managed to change quite a few minds in the young people I interact with on a daily basis, but the older ones are a hot ass mess. My mother likes to remind me that some still like to live as if it's the 1960s. They can use it as an excuse for why they haven't accomplished a damn thing in their lives.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (S/qwI)

341 Chavez the Hugo, 297:

"i heard ronald reagan owned slaves. true?

"some dumbfuck liv."

No, but as is well known* he launched his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, as a wink and a nod to people who thought murdering civil rights activists was a good thing.

* Might be apocryphal, but I've read that when Pravda wanted to source a particularly baldfaced lie, they were fond of the phrase "As is well known".

Posted by: JPS at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (ueucK)

342 Most Never Trump people are democrats in sheep clothing and liars. And some are real conservatives that just hate Trump ( and for some good reasons).Posted by: Nevergiveup

I've read some of the problems that 'real' conservatives have with DT and their academic based free trade solutions. Pie in the sky has never been so abundant.

We finished second place in a trade war with China almost 20 years ago. That's reality. Some missive written 100 years ago, totally ignoring that reality is fantasy.

Which is why I've changed my nic. If someone can't embrace contemporary reality -- instead insists that they therefore hold the banner of 'true' conservatism -- I just can't reason them out of an unreasonable position.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (ZnIt3)

343 I just don't get what exactly they want us to do? I really don't.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (Enq6K)

Remember the line from the 007 movie when Bond is tied to a table as a laser is about to cut him in half and he asks Goldfinger if he expects him to talk? And Godfinger says " No Mr Bond, i expect you to die"

Well it's kinda the same thing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (zp+j1)

344 330 I just don't get what exactly they want us to do?

Despair.
Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (evdj2)

THIS

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (7lVbc)

345 A President Trump might be better then President Hillary. But it can also be worse.

Posted by: TKYC at August 04, 2016 03:28 PM (6Xoaa)

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. As in, how the FUCK could a Trump presidency be WORSE than Hillary?!?!?!?

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (G2Sc9)

346 Mother Russia.....uhhh America uhhh Mother Hillary will be intensely punitive and an Obama Presidency on steroids.

And how the heck is "Don't tread on me racist" anyway?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (HXQyP)

347 >>Is it a stain on Jefferson's reputation that he had sex with a negress?

No.

But the Davenport is ruined.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (TjcfH)

348 hehe, Trump hammering "liar" Hillary

crowd chants are great "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (qCMvj)
.............

She's just what we need, a president who will bring us all together!

Posted by: Carol Costello at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (HgMAr)

349 "Whenever someone is hurting, government has got to move"? But I don't remember the #NeverW movement rising to rescue the cause of conservatism by extolling the relative virtues of Al Gore.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (nFdGS)

"It's not a Republican thing to say, but you have to help people."

Last week. While endorsing a $10 federal minimum wage.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (mFkVC)

350 Any time someone's counter to your argument is personal ie an ad hominem (you are just virtue signaling) It is a logical fallacy and a dishonest argument.

Notice how the issues raised in your argument are not addressed, what is addressed is your psychology. This is modern argumentation which is to say, it is not logic, only personal attack.

This stuff ends in violence. 5 years over under.

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (JTwsP)

351 Can we get a racial minority Moron to file a lawsuit complaining that a lot of racists wear pants, and the wearing of pants at work must be banned?

It's the same reasoning. "Some racists display the Don't Tread on Me flag, therefore I am not comfortable when anyone displays it for any reason, and if I am not comfortable, the Federal government needs to step in and *make* me be comfortable." Nobody is even arguing that the person wearing the Don't Tread on Me intended anything racist by it; it is purely in the mind of the complainant, and that's enough.

So if someone gets it into his mind that pants are worn by racists, the Federal government should force everyone to switch to kilts.

And if we want this to have the desired effect, we had better do this quickly... three years from now, the response might just be that the Federal government goes ahead and bans pants.

P.S. In the 60's, when conservatives ran the government, "free speech" was the highest of moral goods, and it was absolutely essential to allow people to come to school or work wearing outrageous protest shirts or whatever. Now that the liberals are running things, they want to clamp down on speech with an iron fist. (a) I hate double standards. (b) They want to keep the pendulum from swinging back.

Posted by: mr_jack at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (M59SC)

352 You want to talk about the EEOC - let's talk
about it. Do you really think Trump is going to change the EEOC? I don't. Sure it may not be as bad, but the EEOC is staffed with who it is staffed with. Is he going to fire everyone? You want to stop this
shit - there is only one way - eliminate the EEOC. The Courts aren't going to stop this.
Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:52 PM
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So your argument is that Trump might not elimante the EEOC, so we should vote for Hilary who everyone knows will only strengthen that guv agency? Or just not vote for either to ensure that EEOC remains in place. Is that it?

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (6IPEM)

353 I just don't get what exactly they want us to do?

Despair.
Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (evdj2)

not going to happen over here!

Life's too short.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (qCMvj)

354 I know this is awful repetitive, but we held our
nose for George, Romney, McCain, and I bet we would have held our noses
for Mario or whoever.

So, it's Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (qCMvj)

Exactly. Hillary's just that bad. This country will not survive another 8 years of a President who can't be held accountable. And it will be 8, because no matter what her record after 4 years, any attempt to bring it up will be shouted down as sexist, much as Obama's detractors were all called racists.

We can't let them have this one. This is one of those battles that you can't lose without also losing the war. This is the last hill, and if you're not willing to die on it, you'll die in a ditch after being forced to dig it and kneel.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (HalrA)

355 I'm better than all of you combined. Neener neener!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (kTF2Z)

356
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (OWWiT)

Sorry dude. We can't change the local school board.

You think elections are going to turn this aircraft carrier around?

Posted by: Golfman at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (48QDY)

357 Is this the pre-Olympic Olympic games?

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (bksJQ)

358 341: good enough for me. makes sense too. knew he was a racist bastard.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (KP5rU)

359

I guess Ace is working on his weight loss thread.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (qCMvj)

360 got it on mute and generally ignoring it.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2016 03:59 PM (TjcfH)

That's how I watch men's diving and women's beach volleyball.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (mf5HN)

361 282 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (wB8Tg)

Here's the deal, fuck me into having to endure Hillary! and I will make it my mission to not support the moderate squish ever again.

I held my nose for Dole, I held it for Juan Queeg, I held it for Romney and I am holding it for Trump....

prove to me that that nose holding is a one way street and I am voting for payback rather than anything positive period.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (SzZnW)

362 "Sorry Trump got the nomination not so much because of Trump voters, but because the Establishment sold us out so much, that many people so no need to ever support an establishment candidate ever again--and that was about 90% of those running in the Primaries. And also because none of those Einsteins saw that by al staying they were assuring Trump of a victory. And unfortunetaly Cruz never caught on for many reasons.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (zp+j1) "

The biggest sign of how bad the Establishment is at their job:

The two candidates they least wanted to win were Cruz and Trump. One of them became the nominee, and one of them was the runner-up. It's no wonder why they haven't been able to stop a single Obama admin initiative. Just like Obama and co., they're incompetents who believe themselves to be the smartest folks in the room.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (kumBu)

363 Let's get something straight.

I am voting for Trump.

He is NOT a conservative.

He is a democrat selling populism, like Bernie.

If you think he is a conservative, I suggest you compare his programs or daily twitters feeds with Goldwater or Reagan.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (F1iXz)

364 Some persons here sound like a simp warming up the crowd before a FAB Rally. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (zp+j1)

365 Haven't seen a mention here, but Trump raised $80 million in July, nearly as much as Hillary. Expect he'll spend it more wisely.

WSJ is a Murdoch property, so like a post Ailes-Fox it won't be Trump-friendly.

Expect the rest of MSM to keep hitting Trump but after the likes of NYT and WaPo have called him a certifiable psychopath where do they go.

Trump's redoubts are Drudge and Hannity.

Expect the counter-offensive to start after Labor Day. I can almost hear General Zhukov gunning the engines of 3,000 T-34 tanks.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (r1fLd)

366 I just don't get what exactly they want us to do? I really don't.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (Enq6K)

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I don't care what you do but you sure seem to care about how I vote.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (gmeXX)

367 I find Diving an unnerving sport to watch.
Mostly because of the tiny towels.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (TjcfH)

368 mr_jack,

"Can we get a racial minority Moron to file a lawsuit complaining that a lot of racists wear pants, and the wearing of pants at work must be banned?"

I'm still hoping for the lawsuit against any sign of Democratic Party affiliation on the grounds that Andrew Jackson, like Christopher Gadsden, owned slaves.

Posted by: JPS at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (ueucK)

369 282---History may know this as the "I'm So Mad I Ate My Hat" election.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 03:51 PM (wB8Tg)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (T/5A0)

370 Heads up, people. The JEF is giving a presser in 15 minutes, give or take an hour.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (1ZOkK)

371 Exactly. Hillary's just that bad. This country will not survive another 8 years of a President who can't be held accountable. And it will be 8, because no matter what her record after 4 years, any attempt to bring it up will be shouted down as sexist, much as Obama's detractors were all called racists.

We can't let them have this one. This is one of those battles that you can't lose without also losing the war. This is the last hill, and if you're not willing to die on it, you'll die in a ditch after being forced to dig it and kneel.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (HalrA)

She will continue to flood the country with Democrat voters.

Illegals.
Refugees.
Free sh*t tribes.
Letting more people out of prison.
Grow the government employee count.
etc

same as TFG

End of a two party system.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (qCMvj)

372 370 Heads up, people. The JEF is giving a presser in 15 minutes, give or take an hour.

To have Trump committed?

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (O2RFr)

373 #324 Win elections! at every level! much as I would love to insult someone who uses an insult from the sixties ("texican"), I'll just repeat those incredibly naive words.

Posted by: unequal pig at August 04, 2016 04:04 PM (dToM4)

374 I only accept bills with founding fathers and Republican presidents on them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 04:04 PM (evdj2)

375 364 Some persons here sound like a simp warming up the crowd before a FAB Rally. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (zp+j1)

Yup. Because I'm totally voting for Clinton.

NGU, tell us some more about how Trump voters bear no responsibility for their actions.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:04 PM (mFkVC)

376 EEOC members are appointed by the President for terms of 5 years. No more than 3 members may be appointed from any one Party. It is supposed to be a "bipartisan" committee. It never has been and never will be because they have to be approved by the Senate.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (mpXpK)

377 > crowd chants are great "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Earlier, Gov LePage called her "Queen of Corruption".

Trump came on, and repeated it.

Posted by: one tall iced tea, plz at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (25+/B)

378 "Pretty much any political statement in a public forum is designed in part to signal the speakers virtue."

This is without question, the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read. So I can't make any political comment without this bullshit of virtue signalling? Go fuck yourself with a pineapple. This is right up there with "dog whistling" and all the other phoney, new speak nonsense the left in country has been pedaling for the last ten years. How dare you propose to assume what someone is "signalling?" Fucking assnine.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (G2Sc9)

379 Yup. Because I'm totally voting for Clinton.

Are you?

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (evdj2)

380 370 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (1ZOkK)

I think I can safely skip it, Trump is unqualified, I am a racist, he is awesome but misunderstood, and YAY Olympics....

asshole.....I hope Reggie love gives him chlamydia.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (SzZnW)

381 Heads up, people. The JEF is giving a presser in 15 minutes, give or take an hour.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (1ZOkK)

he just loves Campaign Mode doesn't he?

he'll be talking over Trump's speech

I see him moving more "military" and attacks as elections get closer. Gas prices will plummet. Same ole same ole. And people will wake up and look around on election day and say, hey, things aren't too bad...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (qCMvj)

382 Barky's gonna 'splain the $400M in foreign cash to Iran, I think. It's totally not ransom, and flying $400M in EUR and CHF in the middle of the night on a plane is totally legit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (DW+jj)

383 And the Clintons will come out as billionaires

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (bksJQ)

384 NGU, tell us some more about how Trump voters bear no responsibility for their actions.
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:04 PM (mFkVC)

Seems to me I never said that, but you like making shit up so go ahead. And what's your reason for being here except to stir the shit pot?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (zp+j1)

385 Please, tell me who you're voting for in November.

Did you vote for Romney in '12...cuz I don't remember him talking about eliminating the EEOC specifically?
Did you vote for McCain in '08...cuz I don't remember him talking about eliminating the EEOC specifically?

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I don't know who I will vote for. I may not vote at all for President. Maybe I'll write in someone.

I voted for Romney and McCain - neither of whom I liked (like you I suspect). Well guess what - Trump is a bridge too far for me. I've made compromises in the past, and I'll make them again. I'm simply not compromising on him. That's my virtue signal - but you asked.

I doubt they were going to eliminate the EEOC either.

Now do you want to talk about the EEOC or Trump?

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)

386 Yup. Because I'm totally voting for Clinton.

Had no doubt.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (3hIZX)

387 he just loves Campaign Mode doesn't he?

--

Yes he does.

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (7lVbc)

388 #NeverTrump movement

Trump or Death!
Death or Trump!

You have chosen Death,
You shall have Trump.

Posted by: DaveA at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (8J/Te)

389 "Our new little one-name friend should go look up some of Ace's meltdowns after some of the debates.

Ace is down to the 'lesser of two evils' level, but he's not what I would call a fan of Donald.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (3hIZX) "

Exactly. During the primaries, this site had maybe 3 or 4 regulars that were real Trump fanatics. Hell, after the thing with Ted Cruz's wife (I think it was that time), Ace even said he'd vote for Hillary! We've all had to come to terms with Trump as the nominee in our own way.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (kumBu)

390
[x] need way more snark

Posted by: Yo! at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (GwIKd)

391 >>Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. As in, how the FUCK could a Trump presidency be WORSE than Hillary?!?!?!?

If he's allowed to implement his YOLO foreign affairs plan of his protectionist economic plan its possible. I'm hoping that he will get some people on his staff that have the power to say to him "Are you out of your fucking mind?".

Longshot but the best I got.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (/tuJf)

392 He is a democrat selling populism, like Bernie.

If you think he is a conservative, I suggest you compare his programs or daily twitters feeds with Goldwater or Reagan.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 04, 2016 04:02 PM (F1iXz)

If he's a Democrat, he's an older style of Democrat and not the Alinskyite type. Still better than Clinton. Then again, I'm at the point where I'd probably vote for The Devil Himself before I'd vote for her.

Better the devil you know, right?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (HalrA)

393 370: i can give you a recap now. blah,blah, blah. this is not who we are. trumps an idiot. and, fuck all y'all. fore!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (KP5rU)

394 Any time someone's counter to your argument is personal ie an ad hominem (you are just virtue signaling) It is a logical fallacy and a dishonest argument.

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (JTwsP)

On the other hand, idiot, shill, stupid and liar are perfectly legitimate, honest responses.

I'm just sayin', hysterical anger tends to lose. People have good *reasons* to be angry.

It's not some stupid George Lucas thing where you become evil or anything, you just lose focus and waste your energy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (wB8Tg)

395 Hillary has had it in for the first amendment since the 90s when Drudge was able to post true things about her spouse.

Posted by: Sarahw at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (Sp1NT)

396 crowd chants are great "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Earlier, Gov LePage called her "Queen of Corruption".

Trump came on, and repeated it.
Posted by: one tall iced tea, plz at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (25+/B)

hehe, yeah, I heard.

lots of hecklers and disrupters too

twice so far he had to wait to keep talking

he's funny tho, he laughs at them and shakes his head

The last time, he turned his back and shook the people's hands behind him. Charming.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (qCMvj)

397 Yo! Yo,

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (bksJQ)

398 Artisanal ette, if you're still here.
I bought some figs on a whim without any clear idea of what to do with them. Any ideas?

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (6IPEM)

399 This is without question, the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read. So I can't make any political comment without this bullshit of virtue signalling? Go fuck yourself with a pineapple. This is right up there with "dog whistling" and all the other phoney, new speak nonsense the left in country has been pedaling for the last ten years. How dare you propose to assume what someone is "signalling?" Fucking assnine.
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (G2Sc9)
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I'm not the one who came up with the term or the one who started tossing it an anyone who disagrees.

People seem to really want to make the definition of "virtue signalling" "something people I don't like does."

You know how Ace suggests that people examine their own actions rather then just accuse others of things? This would be a good time for that.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (mFkVC)

400 The two candidates they least wanted to win were Cruz and Trump. One of them became the nominee, and one of them was the runner-up.

It's no wonder why they haven't been able to stop a single Obama admin initiative.

It's not incompetence when they are in on it.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (AY/TT)

401 You have chosen Death,
You shall have Trump.

Posted by: DaveA at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (8J/Te)

To borrow a punchline from an old joke... "Death *by* Trump? You are a strange man."

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (HalrA)

402 obama is probably gonna tell us the American murdered by the Somali in London was not an act of terrorism... Oh and Trump is crazy...

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (O2RFr)

403 Barack is going to say that there's no way Iran will get $400 mil for these two latest hostages.

$180m, tops.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM (3hIZX)

404 If he's allowed to implement his YOLO foreign affairs plan of his protectionist economic plan its possible.

A bad economic policy can always be changed. A Constitution altered by will and fiat not so much.

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 04:08 PM (evdj2)

405 Morons note. You are taxing Hillary's coffers by forcing her to send paid stooges here to comment. They are paying so that you can play whack a troll.
Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 03:38 PM (C6xeQ)

I'm fine with this. It costs me nothing to call out all the First Name Guys and persons and assorted trolls. Hillary! pays them? Less money for that evil cvunt.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 04:08 PM (G2Sc9)

406 Just a different Party staffing these agencies makes a world of difference.

Say what you will about our awful milquetoast candidates like Romney and McCain, but I guarantee you we wouldn't the Justice Dept threatening elementary schools about tranny bathrooms if they were in the WH.

The same with Trump.

He's not a social conservative crusader but he has some common sense.

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 04:08 PM (1NTNJ)

407 Barky's gonna 'splain the $400M in foreign cash to Iran, I think. It's totally not ransom, and flying $400M in EUR and CHF in the middle of the night on a plane is totally legit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (DW+jj)
..............

Damn right it is.

Posted by: Chapo Guzman at August 04, 2016 04:08 PM (HgMAr)

408 Are you?

Posted by: Grump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as smug as you at August 04, 2016 04:08 PM (evdj2)

409 Seems to me I never said that, but you like making shit up so go ahead. And what's your reason for being here except to stir the shit pot?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (zp+j1)

What's your reason for being here?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (mFkVC)

410 Heads up, people. The JEF is giving a presser in 15 minutes, give or take an hour.

=======

That should be interesting.

Posted by: mrp at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (JBggj)

411 I wonder how many times this -- and similar canned statements -- can be cut and pasted in an 8-hour shift.

It's on a macro.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (CtNpS)

412 End of a two party system.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:03 PM (qCMvj)

Exactly that. Hillary = permanent Democrat majority.

If she wins, there's only one recourse left, and it's the one that nobody sane is looking forward to.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (HalrA)

413
382 Barky's gonna 'splain the $400M in foreign cash to Iran, I think. It's totally not ransom, and flying $400M in EUR and CHF in the middle of the night on a plane is totally legit.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 04, 2016 04:05 PM (DW+jj)

Bets on which reporter will ask him where he found the constitutional authority to approve that?

Posted by: Golfman at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (48QDY)

414 That should be ~~interesting.~~revolting.

FIFY

Posted by: @votermom at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (7lVbc)

415 Last week. While endorsing a $10 federal minimum wage.Posted by: person a

You lying piece of foul excrement. He made exactly the correct answer, which is every state should decide what is proper minimum wage.

Don't piss me off. I won't caution you twice.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (ZnIt3)

416 Hillary has said her first goal is to turn over Citizens United otherwise know as anti-Hillary movies, videos and books

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (bksJQ)

417 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (mpXpK)

418 407 Barky's gonna 'splain the $400M in foreign cash to Iran, I think. It's totally not ransom, and flying $400M in EUR and CHF in the middle of the night on a plane is totally legit.

Well if it is about this he's gonna show us that they were just returning the money the Shah gave them for weapons all those years back...

Posted by: donna at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (O2RFr)

419 "Posted by: Pastafarian at August 04, 2016 03:57 PM (OWWiT) "

I'm not saying I disagree with you. Winning certainly brings us closer to our goals than losing.

But, IIRC, we have more Governor's Mansions and Statehouses than we've had since the early 20th Century, and we have control of both the House and Senate, and we don't seem to ever get anything done. I'm not saying we should lose. I'm just saying...when people say there's a long game, I hope they're right. I hope we can push back at some point.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (kumBu)

420 "It's not a Republican thing to say, but you have to help people."

Last week. While endorsing a $10 federal minimum wage.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:00 PM (mFkVC)

Still not as comprehensive an endorsement of government action as W's. And yet there was no NeverW from NR, Weekly Standard, etc. In fact, Jonah Goldberg wrote extensively about how non-conservative W was but that it didn't matter.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (nFdGS)

421 Okay kids, it's past time to check out. I told you George Soros will not pay for trolling after 4 PM Eastern. I'll be damned if I'm dipping into the 100s of Millions of dollars Bill and I have stashed in our Foundation. If you need money, go back to the glory holes where we found you for the troll positions.

Posted by: Hillary "Felon" Clinton at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (22uju)

422

a caller on Rush made an interesting point

if people don't vote (nevertrumpers) how many will just not vote at all, hurting the down ticket for the GOP

yep

shooting themselves in the foot

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (qCMvj)

423 LOL! Sebastian Gorka just mocked Shep's "the guy was white wearing black leather boots so he must be a neo Nazi" comment.

Pass the popcorn!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (1ZOkK)

424 Exactly that. Hillary = permanent Democrat majority.

If she wins, there's only one recourse left, and it's the one that nobody sane is looking forward to.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (HalrA)

Dance-off, bro!

Posted by: Peter Quill, Star-Lord at August 04, 2016 04:11 PM (7HtZB)

425 "We can't let them have this one. This is one of those battles that you can't lose without also losing the war. This is the last hill, and if you're not willing to die on it, you'll die in a ditch after being forced to dig it and kneel."

Nothin' I could possibly add to ^^^ THIS ^^^.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 04, 2016 04:11 PM (gUoN4)

426 So your argument is that Trump might not elimante the EEOC, so we should vote for Hilary who everyone knows will only strengthen that guv agency? Or just not vote for either to ensure that EEOC remains in place. Is that it?

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Holy Cow. Do you want to talk about Trump or the EEOC? I never said you should vote for Hillary. I'm not. But of course, not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary, even though not voting for Hillary is not voting for Trump.

We can all agree on how bad the EEOC is or we can discuss Trump and whether he will eliminate the shannigans of the EEOC or not (clearly I do not).

Do you want to continue the Trump wars or do you want to talk about the EEOC.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:11 PM (gmeXX)

427 On TV I saw the son of that ex-FBI dude that's been missing in Iran for 9 years and I thought to myself:
"Whassa matter pal, you don't got $100 million laying around the house?"

Posted by: Chapo Guzman at August 04, 2016 04:11 PM (HgMAr)

428 I'm not much of a wearer of a shirt with lettering although I had a lovely design and the names of the kids who were Confirmed-but if this is going to be considered "racial harassment" to wear a Gasden Flag it makes me feel like getting on and wearing it everywhere for a while just to stick it in the face of those controlling folks who don't believe in free speech

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (HXQyP)

429 You lying piece of foul excrement. He made exactly the correct answer, which is every state should decide what is proper minimum wage.

Don't piss me off. I won't caution you twice.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 04:10 PM (ZnIt3)

Manafort confirmed his word salad meant he endorsed the $10 wage.

You can stop threatening me, by the way.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (mFkVC)

430 :::draws a sea with green fish and dragons and a green boat:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (5BzqW)

431 What's your reason for being here?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (mFkVC)

he asked you first

Posted by: runner at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (c6/9Q)

432 But at the end of the day, what does 'broseidon king of the brocean' gain by signaling my virtue on an anonymous forum? Eh, forgot it Jake, it's Web 2.0town.

(Well, Pixy is like Web 0.001 actually....)

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM (kumBu)

Such people--the anonymous ones--aren't signalling virtue to the macroverse; they're signalling to their likeminded pals within the online community to which they belong.

Speaking of online communities (and off-topic), whatever the hell happened to that Second Life virtual community that was supposed to be the Next Big Deal? Did it disappear in a virtual blizzard? Was it overrun by virtual zombies? Destroyed from within by users tired of the word 'virtual'?

Posted by: troyriser at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (OGbEB)

433 Seems to me I never said that, but you like making shit up so go ahead. And what's your reason for being here except to stir the shit pot?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (zp+j1)

What's your reason for being here?
Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:09 PM (mFkVC)

First of all I comment on a whole range of issues. your a one trick pony who only bash's Trump. And I am here to 100%, without any reservations or evasions to defeat The FAB. As far as I can see your only purpose in life is to bash Trump, which only means you support a far left wing person.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (zp+j1)

434 nood pence

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 04, 2016 04:13 PM (KUaJL)

435 This is why I have a confederate battle flag, although I don't fly it outside, so I admit it's not much of a statement.

I don't have it because I'm racist; I have it because fuck you, that's why.

These are pretty popular in my beach town, too.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at August 04, 2016 04:13 PM (ozZau)

436 If Hillary loses this year, Democrats run someone with less baggage and more likability in 2020 (which is pretty much anyone else they can field) and probably guarantee a win, especially after 4 years of non-stop embarrassing and exhausting Trump news (at bare minimum, in terms of trouble Trump can make for conservatives).

Who do they actually have under the age of 70 that they could conceivably run, though? Hilldog's VP picks were pretty meager.

All you do is delay this crap 4 years, and reward the Republican party for its cowardice, self-serving, and stupidity. If you ever cared about teaching the GOPe to get their shit together or pack their bags, there's never gonna be an easier Republican candidate to sit out on.

1) Were you dropped on your head? Sitting out on Trump is what GOPe *wants* people to do.
2) SCOTUS. This election is the ballgame for that reason.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 04, 2016 04:13 PM (KUTP5)

437 In this post constitutional, post law, post reason world the social contract that has bound us together with common understandings is no longer operative.

Voting is not going to get us out of our predicament.

The only avenue being left us is the judicious, focused application of violence.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 04, 2016 04:13 PM (uzPrt)

438 -
398
Artisanal ette, if you're still here.

I bought some figs on a whim without any clear idea of what to do with them. Any ideas?

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM
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Make newtons?

Posted by: irright at August 04, 2016 04:14 PM (pMGkg)

439
First of all I comment on a whole range of issues. your a one trick pony who only bash's Trump. And I am here to 100%, without any reservations or evasions to defeat The FAB. As far as I can see your only purpose in life is to bash Trump, which only means you support a far left wing person.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2016 04:12 PM (zp+j1)

You're voting for Trump. You support a left wing person as well. The only question is whether he's quite as left as Clinotn (on some issues, he's far more left.)

And how are you defeating Clinton by posting here?

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:14 PM (mFkVC)

440 >>A bad economic policy can always be changed. A Constitution altered by will and fiat not so much.

Honestly, I've been hearing "They are going take your guns!" forever. Never happens. Every month for the last year guns sales have been setting records. No way in hell are they ever being confiscated.

I don't see Hillary being nearly as successful in her attempt to alter things as Obama. Name me one fucking thing she has ever accomplished at any level.

It's not that easy to do when everyone dislike you as they do with Hillary. Even her own team by and large doesn't like her.

And while a bad economic plan can be overcome, usually after years of trying to fix things at which time I hope to be sitting in the Keys with a drink with a little hat in it, it will cause years of pain. And Trump's idea of nuclear proliferation not being a bid deal is extremely frightening. That could be a real nightmare.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (/tuJf)

441 Here's the deal, fuck me into having to endure Hillary! and I will make it my mission to not support the moderate squish ever again.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 04, 2016 04:01 PM (SzZnW)

And if *I* get fucked into having to endure More Clinton by angry people who fell for the "MFM spends more on one candidate in the primary than all others combined" trick *AGAIN*, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

You know what Trump needs now? HELP. Even if he won't ask for it.

Haranguing people whose votes you need - not helping.

Oh, and, as always, if you *really* think someone is a troll, what are you doing handing them the thread keys by *responding repeatedly to every single thing they say and then meta-arguing with them for hours*?

Nobody learns nothing.

Jeez, at least print a list of Clinton Crimes for entertainment's sake.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (wB8Tg)

442 On the other hand, idiot, shill, stupid and liar are perfectly legitimate, honest responses."

No. I'm pretty sure, those are ad hominem also.

Argument should be logical. If someone is venting they shouldn't confuse that with argument. Venting has a purpose. Logic has a purpose. They aren't the same purpose. Venting is for you. Logic is for the other.

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (JTwsP)

443 It's possible Jefferson was sterile, as he had no known children (unless you count the child with her).
Posted by: josephistan at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM
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Er, no. He had a bunch of kids with his first wife. I dunno how many lived to adulthood (and am too lazy to look it up) but I know his daughter Martha acted as his FLOTUS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (T/5A0)

444 Better the devil you know, right?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (HalrA)

I said I was voting for him, BUT I don't know him or what he will do. It is a totally anti Hillary vote.
It's a crap shoot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (F1iXz)

445 You can stop threatening me, by the way.Posted by: person of low iq

Seems to me I cautioned you. Need a 'safe space' to hide?

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (ZnIt3)

446 I don't know who I will vote for. I may not vote at all for President. Maybe I'll write in someone.

I voted for Romney and McCain - neither of whom I liked (like you I
suspect). Well guess what - Trump is a bridge too far for me. I've
made compromises in the past, and I'll make them again. I'm simply not
compromising on him. That's my virtue signal - but you asked.

I doubt they were going to eliminate the EEOC either.

Now do you want to talk about the EEOC or Trump?

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)

Ok, you've compromised before and in your own words say you probably will again. And I'm sure a whoooole lot of us did/are/and will again too. (I voted for Cruz in the primary). We're just choosing to vote FOR him to keep a Clinton as far away from the white house as possible.

But you're holding Trump to a standard that you held no other candidate to. I'm just trying to figure out where it all ends for those not Trump voters.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 04:16 PM (Enq6K)

447 Seems to me I cautioned you. Need a 'safe space' to hide?
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 04:15 PM (ZnIt3)

No, it was a threat, and you know it. A threat because I was in YOUR "safe space," no less.

Posted by: person at August 04, 2016 04:17 PM (mFkVC)

448 Now we know who and what you are. You've ruined your ability to troll under that nic.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 04, 2016 04:19 PM (ZnIt3)

449 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (kumBu)

Silvia. You had the rest. Also a first-rate sock.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 04, 2016 04:19 PM (G2Sc9)

450 But you're holding Trump to a standard that you held no other candidate to. I'm just trying to figure out where it all ends for those not Trump voters.

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Only because Trump is a candidate like no one else. So I don't think I'm holding him to a standard like no one else. I've withheld my vote from others - who I find far more palatable and conservative. And going forward, perhaps I'll be more discretionary than in the past. Such is my right.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:20 PM (gmeXX)

451 I don't believe a real conservative being a #nevertrumper is a possibility. A real conservative is a cogent individual who understands that a Hillary victory is the end of the Republic.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 04, 2016 04:21 PM (uHFrd)

452 Why that's so hard for this tiny group is beyond me, but much of it is ego and the idea of no longer being relevant

Posted by: Maritime at August 04, 2016 03:54 PM (1NTNJ)

The sweat inducing fear that some rice bowls may never be filled again haunts their nights.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Beach Blanket Statements and Other Vacation Supplies at The Outrage Outlet! at August 04, 2016 04:21 PM (hLRSq)

453 A real conservative is a cogent individual who understands that a Hillary victory is the end of the Republic.

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If you really believe that then I understand why you are voting for Trump. But honestly, that's crazy talk to me. Hillary is not going to destroy the Republic, and if she is (which she isn't), then the Republic is already destroyed. Trump isn't going to save it.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:22 PM (gmeXX)

454
426 So your argument is that Trump might not elimante the EEOC, so we should vote for Hilary who everyone knows will only strengthen that guv agency? Or just not vote for either to ensure that EEOC remains in place. Is that it?

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Holy Cow. Do you want to talk about Trump or the EEOC? I never said you should vote for Hillary. I'm not. But of course, not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary, even though not voting for Hillary is not voting for Trump.
We can all agree on how bad the EEOC is or we can discuss Trump and whether he will eliminate the shannigans of the EEOC or not (clearly I do not).
Do you want to continue the Trump wars or do you want to talk about the EEOC.
Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:11 PM (gmeXX)
*******
Please do reread your original comment. You are the one that conflated Trump with your position on EEOC. Not me.

Keep moving those goalposts.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 04:23 PM (6IPEM)

455 Paid Hillashills everywhere... except Redstate. They do it for free.

Posted by: Memories at August 04, 2016 04:23 PM (mwcEF)

456 I remember the night of the Iowa Caucasus here. It was a thing to remember, some of the Cruz supporters were already planning Ted's second term as POTUS.

You want to talk about being merciless to us Trump supporters, that was the night.

Good, no damn good times back then.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 04, 2016 04:24 PM (WVsWD)

457 Please do reread your original comment. You are the one that conflated Trump with your position on EEOC. Not me.

Keep moving those goalposts.

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Only in response to someone, and frankly I'm not going to go back to the whole conversation to see where it started. Suffice it to say the EEOC is not the reason why I am not voting for Trump. But do I think he will do something about the crap we get from the EEOC - no I do not. I would feel better about Trump if he said he wanted to eliminate the EEOC, but admittedly that in and of itself would not get me toward voting for him. But it would be a start in the right direction.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:26 PM (gmeXX)

458 Such things are unpossible here in Leegreenwoodistan.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 04, 2016 04:26 PM (rznWS)

459 Whether or not someone who regularly reads and posts on Ace of Spades does or does not vote for trump is not going to make or break trump. Trump needs white working class voters, tradesmen, union guys and their wives. Those people who don't really care that much about politics per se, but they don't want to see their country invaded and their semi skilled jobs taken by visa holders or illegals.

I don't really care how Johan Goldberg votes or what he writes. Those people don't even know Johan Goldberg (or whoever else you want to name) EVEN EXISTS.

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 04:27 PM (JTwsP)

460 Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:26 PM (gmeXX
******
Nice walk back. You are making disingenuous arguments.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 04:28 PM (6IPEM)

461 Golfman at 356: "You think elections are going to turn this aircraft carrier around?"

Nah dude, you're right. Let's form a militia and implement a coup. That's the ticket.

Here's the problem with that plan, according to me, a gun owner whose collection might be called an arsenal, and who's all for watering that Tree of Liberty, were this a practical option: We're the frog in the pot, and it just never really feels quite hot enough to take that big leap. Not for a large percentage of the population. So you and twelve others can hold your militia meeting if it makes you feel better, but it's not going to change jack-shit.

And in the mean time, while you're out in the woods practicing your operational operations, the Republicans (here wait -- I'll do this for a few of you out there -- they're all backstabbing GOPe RINOs who deserve to lose power) will lose the presidency, the senate, and maybe the house. And at that point that pot gets even hotter, even faster.

But never quite hot enough to make your meetings any bigger than 12 or 13 guys with Gadsden flag tats over cracks of their asses.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 04, 2016 04:28 PM (OWWiT)

462 Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:26 PM (gmeXX)

I don't think there is anything that Trump could say that would make you vote for him.

You will keep finding reasons not to.

I think you have made that clear over that few weeks.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 04, 2016 04:28 PM (WVsWD)

463 Trump in not going to save the Republic that's for sure. Hillary's goal, read her college thesis, is a communist America. Trump's goal is not to destroy the Republic, he likes the Republic, it's been very good to him.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 04, 2016 04:29 PM (uHFrd)

464 @453: "Hillary is not going to destroy the Republic, and if she is (which she isn't), then the Republic is already destroyed."

Your tautology is tautological.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 04, 2016 04:32 PM (rznWS)

465 Golfman is right election won't do it.
Pasta is right also it not like you can fight a war.

So yes, put not your faith in princes.

We could still get lucky or something. . .

Posted by: simplemind at August 04, 2016 04:32 PM (JTwsP)

466 I don't think there is anything that Trump could say that would make you vote for him.

You will keep finding reasons not to.

I think you have made that clear over that few weeks.

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I agree. But he hasn't even given me any reason to reconsider at all. Bottom line, I simply believe that Trump is a pro-government progressive liberal who does not really care about the Constitution. I don't want to just defeat Hillary. I want to defeat liberalism. So there I am.

But if L'Elle wants to talk about the awful EEOC - I'm more than willing to do that. I'll walk nothing back. Trump isn't going to change it. The only thing that will change it is to eliminate it.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

467 Until Trump comes out and campaigns on

eliminating the EEOC, I'll just assume it will continue to wreck havoc

on American businesses.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (gmeXX)

Was that not your original comment?

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 04:34 PM (Enq6K)

468 @453: "Hillary is not going to destroy the Republic, and if she is (which she isn't), then the Republic is already destroyed."

Your tautology is tautological.

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Guess what, I don't accept the premise that Hillary is going to destroy the Republic. And if I did accept such premise, I would probably just accept the premise that the Republic is already dead.

Nothing tautological about that.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:35 PM (gmeXX)

469 Until Trump comes out and campaigns on

eliminating the EEOC, I'll just assume it will continue to wreck havoc

on American businesses.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 03:56 PM (gmeXX)

Was that not your original comment?
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 04:34 PM (Enq6K)

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I'm quite certain it was not my original comment. My original comment was Trump is not going to stop this crap from the EEOC.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:36 PM (gmeXX)

470 Then it's safe just to ignore whatever you say then?

Have a nice day.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 04, 2016 04:36 PM (WVsWD)

471 Just remember when reading these negative anti-Trump comments that Hillary spent six million on online advertising, Correct the Record, to demoralize and troll the opposition.
And the DNC email hacks showed they were budgeting for paying online trolls (against Bernie as I recall but obviously transferable to anti-Trumping as well)>

Posted by: andycanuck at August 04, 2016 04:37 PM (LdMbv)

472 Do you accept that Hillary is an Alinskyite?

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 04, 2016 04:37 PM (uHFrd)

473 Then it's safe just to ignore whatever you say then?

Have a nice day.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 04, 2016 04:36 PM (WVsWD)

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Tim - you may do what you please. I'm just one man expressing an opinion. Be safe.

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:38 PM (gmeXX)

474 SH, I've been reading your comments here for a long time. You're a smart guy.

Too smart for this line of reasoning.

I was anti-Trump too. Pro-Cruz, or Walker, or Rubio. But now I'm all in for Trump.

You say Trump won't fix the EEOC. You're probably right. Probably. There's a 3.9% chance that he will.

The odds of Hillary fixing it? 0.0000%. The odds of her making it worse? The probability is unity, my friend.

Embrace the dark side, SH. It's only a matter of time.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 04, 2016 04:39 PM (OWWiT)

475 Subtly buried in your post, ace, is the assumption that Trump will fix this problem. Where's the evidence of that?

Posted by: Steven S. at August 04, 2016 04:40 PM (JpEvT)

476 What virtue am I signaling?
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:24 PM

You're a virgin?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 04, 2016 04:42 PM (qZIkn)

477 Embrace the dark side, SH. It's only a matter of time.

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I'll say what I said from the get go about Trump. The best thing about a Trump presidency to me would be the reassertion of Congress. Until we get things working in a way that is more closely attuned to the original Constitutional structure, we are just rearranging the deck chairs. I hope Trump is great (should he win). With each passing election, the focus is always on beating the Democrat. Is that working or not?

Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:42 PM (gmeXX)

478 475 Subtly buried in your post, ace, is the assumption that Trump will fix this problem. Where's the evidence of that?
Posted by: Steven S. at August 04, 2016 04:40 PM (JpEvT)

3 outcomes present themselves:

1) The problem will get fixed
2) The problem will stay basically the same
3) The problem will get worse.

Even if you think Trump won't do 1 (because, guess what, it was never an actual option), it's likely he'll do 2, which is a sight better than Hillary who will definitely do 3.

Posted by: Memories at August 04, 2016 04:46 PM (mwcEF)

479 I bought some figs on a whim without any clear idea of what to do with them. Any ideas?
Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 04:07 PM

Oh, bring us a figgy pudding ...

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 04, 2016 04:47 PM (qZIkn)

480 "Who do they actually have under the age of 70 that they could conceivably run, though? Hilldog's VP picks were pretty meager."

Posted by: Ian S. at August 04, 2016 04:13 PM (KUTP5)

Julian Castro, Martin O'Malley, Sherrod Brown, Cory Booker, Even Bayh, Wendy Davis, Michelle Obama, Bill DeBlasio, Rahm Emanuel, Christine Quinn, Elliot Spitzer. Sure, their biggest stars are all Baby Boomers, but the only requirement here is being better liked than the two most disliked presidential candidates in history. It's a lower bar than most presidential elections.

"1) Were you dropped on your head? Sitting out on Trump is what GOPe *wants* people to do.

2) SCOTUS. This election is the ballgame for that reason."
Posted by: Ian S. at August 04, 2016 04:13 PM (KUTP5)
1) Then why stamp out opposition at the convention? He obviously wasn't their main guy, but the GOPe was obviously way happier with him than Cruz. Either way, they sure as hell don't want people sitting out for down-ballot races in a general election.2) Yeah, what a sucky time to purge 10% of your reliable voting block, demoralize another 40%, and alienate 80% of voters under 30, huh? Hell of a thing.

Posted by: reform highlander at August 04, 2016 04:55 PM (jCH/T)

481 I triple dog dare you.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 04, 2016 03:39 PM

To: The Empress
From: Galactic Protocol Office
Subj: Protocol

Going forward, please honor established protocol, and escalate from double-DOG-dare ya through triple-dare-you, before proceeding to TRIPLE-dog-dare ya.

Thank you for your continuing attention to this matter.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 04, 2016 04:59 PM (qZIkn)

482 "Even if you think Trump won't do 1 (because, guess what, it was never an
actual option), it's likely he'll do 2, which is a sight better than
Hillary who will definitely do 3."

It's likely you don't understand the problem of government autonomously increasing its encroachment in our lives. It's also quite possible Hillary does nothing and they continue to invade evermore. In other words, the status quo IS things getting worse.

No, such a problem needs an overhaul, a purposeful fixing. I see neither candidate saying anything or giving any indication that they will address or encourage the problem, and this whole faith-based fantasy of "My candidate says he knows how to fix things - therefore he will fix the things I think he should" is mindboggling in so many ways. People cannot be that naive.

Posted by: Steven S. at August 04, 2016 05:00 PM (JpEvT)

483 "The sustaining, foundational myth of the #NeverTrump movement is that a Hillary presidency is cost-free"

No it isn't.

Posted by: McCann at August 04, 2016 05:05 PM (G6Csz)

484 Raciest against who?
King George III, or the British?

Posted by: JEB at August 04, 2016 05:20 PM (mCOPv)

485 But you're holding Trump to a standard that you held
no other candidate to. I'm just trying to figure out where it all ends
for those not Trump voters.

Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2016 04:16 PM (Enq6K)

Trump benefits from more double standards than he loses on. Not very many candidates in either party could survive the things Trump has gotten away with on the campaign trail or in his past history. Probably none. Sure, a lot of Democrats could get away with the shady business dealings in Trump's past, especially if they're a Clinton, and with enough public penance made before the TV cameras they could get away with his affairs (though in the cases of Spitzer and Weiner, as it probably would have meant for almost any Democrat, it meant scaling down the scope of their political ambitions). But none could get away with Trump's level of embarrassing ignorance, idiocy (Hank Johnson was an unknown, yet everyone knew about his "what if Guam capsizes?" embarrassment), and in public party in-fighting. John Kerry could tell you, none could get away with Trump's egregious levels of "flip-flopping". None could get away with publicly insulting rivals' spouses appearances, mocking the physically disabled, or getting into fights with the families of fallen military soldiers (Maaaaaaaybe Biden, but Biden apologizes rather than doubling down if confronted on such things). Some, like Ace, would argue we need to be less policing on such slights, which is fine, but don't act like this is some double standard just for Trump.For me, Trump's refusal to learn from mistakes and adapt himself in a crisis (which his campaign is) is in itself disqualifying in a commander in chief. And that's a standard I'm happy to apply universally, it's just rare to see a party nominee who can't clear that low bar.

Posted by: reform highlander at August 04, 2016 05:30 PM (jCH/T)

486 Of course there is a difference between a Hillary presidency and Trump presidency. Hillary has larger hands and is beholden to every entity that donated to the Clinton Crime Family Foundation.

Posted by: Locke Common at August 04, 2016 05:32 PM (y4lrA)

487 I won't embrace Trump, but I will vote for him.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at August 04, 2016 06:01 PM (+aCe4)

488 But if L'Elle wants to talk about the awful EEOC - I'm more than willing to do that. I'll walk nothing back. Trump isn't going to change it. The only thing that will change it is to eliminate it.
Posted by: SH at August 04, 2016 04:33 PM
******
Yeah, again, you're being disingenuous. You cried foul and pretended with your "Holy Cow" BS comment that I brought Trump into the argument. No you did. And then you refused to reread your own comment when I called you out on your pathetic victim defense.

I'm not responsible for your words. You are. So defend your words. Or else stop arguing.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 04, 2016 06:10 PM (6IPEM)

489 37 WhatWhatWhat?

So, when they pile an "if" on top of an "if," their conclusion is proven?

Posted by: French Jeton at August 04, 2016 06:21 PM (WMvHw)

490 I respectfully disagree with your last line, Ace. Trump is not down 10-15 points nationally because of NeverTrumpers, and you know it.

It's not our job to be loyal followers of the party to keep Hillary, or any Democrat, out of office. That's the past several decades in a nutshell. Trump bears sole responsibility in all this. If he can't stop being a mess and can't formulate a message to derail a terrible Democrat candidate; if he can't run a campaign; if he can't unite a majority of Republican voters against a reviled Democrat candidate, then that's Trump's fault alone. Very few people went NeverRomney or NeverMcCain so it isn't because of sour grapes. It's because Trump is awful. If he truly cared about the country, he'd either stop Hillary himself or he'd step aside and let a man like Romney do so. At this point, what other chance do we have?

TrumpsterFire 2016
Trounced 2016
The Cantidate

Posted by: Me, That's Who at August 04, 2016 06:58 PM (5cE/w)

491 Hey now, our never-Trump betters are just teaching us hillbillies and white-trash a needed lesson, it's an act of love. A lesson in civics. We should thank them! See, we are their very own republican plantation 'folk'. Why should the plantation folk just be limited to democrat territory? There is plenty of American trash to go around.

Posted by: Twostellas at August 04, 2016 07:29 PM (buBai)

492 I removed my Gadsden flag from the picture window and replaced it with the Confederate 1st National Flag. Nobody knows what it is. I may need to put the Gadsden back up.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 04, 2016 07:44 PM (97XyN)

493 Every time I think things can't get more ridiculous, they do. The Gadsden flag? Argh.

Posted by: crossoverChaos at August 04, 2016 08:20 PM (bJcTx)

494 This is what happens when anti-Southern Republicans choose to use my ancestral and cultural heritage as a whipping boy to deflect the wrath of the PC left. They WILL come after you after you lend support to their narrative.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 04, 2016 08:49 PM (KF8B+)

495 Just ordered some Gadsden apparel.

Posted by: Iowan at August 04, 2016 09:16 PM (qgJK7)

496 It's a shame Ace has taken on the persona of noted intellectuals like Sean Hannity in pushing that blowhard charlatan and his candidacy. No doubt he knows damn well that 'NeverTrumpers' readily acknowledge there will be consequences with a Hillary presidency, that it won't be cost-free. The point though is that Trump will be no different, that he's ill-suited for the office to the extent he cannot be supported period.

Posted by: NeverTrump at August 05, 2016 01:48 AM (M/9Pj)

497 I should add, too, that the Never Trump contingent is quite small. We're not why the clown struggles to get to 40% in polling...it's everyone else knowing what you've chosen to ignore or deny, that he's an awful candidate running an awful campaign. I'm sure the GOPe will be blamed for this as well, even though they've bowed to Trump to an embarrassing extent and let him become putative leader of the party. Instead of being concerned with those of us who cannot support either candidate, maybe concern yourself with why your candidate seems just as disinterested in taking on Hillary as you accuse others of being. Why he's more interested in re-litigating the primaries, and taking on fellow Republicans, than he is his Democrat opponent. Why he's not buying ads, or getting the campaign infrastructure together he needs to get the vote out. Why he can't seem to get his shit together.

Posted by: NeverTrump at August 05, 2016 02:00 AM (M/9Pj)

498 "The sustaining, foundational myth of the #NeverTrump movement is that a Hillary presidency is cost-free -- no difference between president Hillary and President Trump, they say."

Wrong.

A Hillary socialist state is unenforceable. You cannot declare that 20 million people is too many to deport and then declare you will fine everybody for a t-shirt. Might as well ban the F-word while you're at it. It can have only one consequence.

And who will be at the core of that rebellion? It won't be the guys who jumped on the Trump bandwagon.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 06, 2016 02:57 PM (EioIi)

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