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Giuliani, Gingrich, Priebus Plot 'Intervention" To Keep Trump From Constantly Setting Himself on Fire Just Because He's Bored
Yesterday I made a sustained argument as to why this Khzir Khan story was a bullshit, typically overheated Twitter convulsion.
But here's the thing: A presidential candidate shouldn't need supporters to constantly work hard to bail him out of trouble. He should, as many anti-Trumpers point out, sort of try to keep out of trouble. He should be working for us -- not vice versa. I grew very tired of having to do heavy lifting for Bush and Palin. I really resented the fact that neither could seem to carry his or her own load without the entire party pitching in to spell them. And even though I think Twitter is stupid, and so is the Twitter mindset that Twitter infect its users with -- Are you playing the game, or is the game playing you? -- gosh I can't tell you how nice it would be if Donald Trump could go three weeks without detonating a bomb in his own face. This intervention will not work, because Trump is immune from social pressure. He grew up a rich kid that routinely skated from trouble due to his wealth; he simply never had to learn, as most of us learned and internalized at an early age, that bad behavior, and upsetting conventional (even if dumb) social wisdom, has consequences and should be avoided. On one hand, this gives Trump a limited immunity from social pressure and a greater freedom of political motion; most of our pencil-necked, cowardly politicians are so paralyzed by social fear they can't do much more than propose alternative schemes for achieving the liberal agenda. On the other hand, the downside of having no internal restraints because you never had to pay for your bad decisions ever before in your life, is... well, you have a megalomaniac man-child like Trump. The only person Trump seems to respect (and then some) is Ivanka, and I would say "Maybe Ivanka can talk a little restraint into him," but she's obviously already tried (Of course she has; she's not insane) and she's already failed. So this cake is baked. It's Crazytime for the next three months, with Trump playing Russian Craps -- pull a pin out of one of six grenades, mix the grenades up, then see if you can find the live one and stick the pin back in before it explodes. Like I Was Saying:Trump on his own temperament https://t.co/eOCH3KIfOw pic.twitter.com/bGZ8u4a0jm
— Joe Perticone (@JoePerticone) August 3, 2016
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>>I grew very tired of having to do heavy lifting for Bush and Palin. I
really resented the fact that neither could seem to carry his or her own
load without the entire party pitching in to spell them.
Exactly. Kills me watching Trump take the Khan bait when the world is on fire.
F-O-C-U-S!!!!!
really resented the fact that neither could seem to carry his or her own
load without the entire party pitching in to spell them.
Exactly. Kills me watching Trump take the Khan bait when the world is on fire.
F-O-C-U-S!!!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 01:15 PM (Enq6K)
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Putting the pin back into a grenade doesn't do much good......a fact which doesn't harm the appropriateness metaphor much, depressingly enough.......
Posted by: HiHo at August 03, 2016 01:15 PM (CPk08)
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I don't think you can have it both ways. We like that Trump stomps all over the media, and won't kowtow to PC conventions, but that's the same part of his personality that self-immolates every couple of days.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at August 03, 2016 01:16 PM (27Ws9)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (UP78u)
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Trump aggressively defends himself - he is the opposite of GW Bush.
In many ways, it's been great to watch *someone* in the GOP do this - he will not back down to PC, to MSM rope-a-dope, to being poo-pooed by the GOPe.
But as Farmer Joe said, this is also what contributes to the petty spats - the times when he really should just let something roll off his back.
In many ways, it's been great to watch *someone* in the GOP do this - he will not back down to PC, to MSM rope-a-dope, to being poo-pooed by the GOPe.
But as Farmer Joe said, this is also what contributes to the petty spats - the times when he really should just let something roll off his back.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (NOIQH)
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It's Crazytime for the next three months, with Trump playing Russian Craps -- pull a pin out of one of six grenades, mix the grenades up, then see if you can find the live one and stick the pin back in before it explodes.
Posted by Ace at 01:11 PM Commen
Is Russian craps like Greek fire or Ukrainian golf?
Posted by Ace at 01:11 PM Commen
Is Russian craps like Greek fire or Ukrainian golf?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (RD7QR)
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It does seem Trump's media coverage changed once he got a bounce after the convention. Weird.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (TJCSB)
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Farmer Joe, a lot of us AREN'T trying to have it both ways. We've hated him all along and this is why. Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 03, 2016 01:19 PM (UP78u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:19 PM (9P3OG)
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Lots can happen in three months.
Trump obviously isn't a politician; that can be good or bad.
However... we're all assuming that he's out of control and needs to be reigned in. Maybe, maybe not.
This is probably crazy, but perhaps Trump is playing a game we don't know or don't understand. Perhaps there's a plan. He's not stupid, and while we're all playing baseball, he's playing soccer.
BTW, interesting article over at (gasp!) Infowars about Hillary
going off on a guy handling a bomb dog. Gist of it was that she either
has a huge personality disorder or a potential brain tumor that causes
rage. Or both.
Trump obviously isn't a politician; that can be good or bad.
However... we're all assuming that he's out of control and needs to be reigned in. Maybe, maybe not.
This is probably crazy, but perhaps Trump is playing a game we don't know or don't understand. Perhaps there's a plan. He's not stupid, and while we're all playing baseball, he's playing soccer.
BTW, interesting article over at (gasp!) Infowars about Hillary
going off on a guy handling a bomb dog. Gist of it was that she either
has a huge personality disorder or a potential brain tumor that causes
rage. Or both.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:20 PM (tvyXw)
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Ronald Reagan is the last Republican who could do his own heavy lifting whilst carrying the entire party on his back. Gingrich came close for a few months.
Trump could do his own heavy lifting; trouble is he keeps bench pressing and flinging piles of dung. Ivanka can only tell him to calm the fuck down so many times.
Trump could do his own heavy lifting; trouble is he keeps bench pressing and flinging piles of dung. Ivanka can only tell him to calm the fuck down so many times.
Posted by: kevlarchick at August 03, 2016 01:20 PM (qwwfd)
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>>>4 I don't think you can have it both ways. We like that Trump stomps all over the media, and won't kowtow to PC conventions, but that's the same part of his personality that self-immolates every couple of days.
Posted by: Farmer Joe
oh you can have it both ways. It's not true that gutsiness MUST be married to a complete inability predict future consequences.
It's just that we usually have one type (the skittish sheep afraid of his own shadow) and now have another type (the guy who loves playing with fire and, when possible, gasoline).
but the idea that you can't have moral courage AND probity and prudence is disproven by most of the US armed forces.
Posted by: Farmer Joe
oh you can have it both ways. It's not true that gutsiness MUST be married to a complete inability predict future consequences.
It's just that we usually have one type (the skittish sheep afraid of his own shadow) and now have another type (the guy who loves playing with fire and, when possible, gasoline).
but the idea that you can't have moral courage AND probity and prudence is disproven by most of the US armed forces.
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:20 PM (dciA+)
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Ace - you left out the best part of this intervention story. Christie's pouting.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:20 PM (gmeXX)
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>>>He should be working for us -- not vice versa.
Wouldn't it be nice if the dogeater in chief would remember that once in a while?
Wouldn't it be nice if the dogeater in chief would remember that once in a while?
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (N6hcZ)
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He's got a purty cone.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (IqV8l)
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Monafort claimed this is all bullshit.
Posted by: Czar Peter at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (bUskh)
19
Trump aggressively defends himself - he is the opposite of GW Bush.
In
many ways, it's been great to watch *someone* in the GOP do this - he
will not back down to PC, to MSM rope-a-dope, to being poo-pooed by the
GOPe.
But as Farmer Joe said, this is also what contributes to
the petty spats - the times when he really should just let something
roll off his back.
Posted by: Lizzy
This.
In
many ways, it's been great to watch *someone* in the GOP do this - he
will not back down to PC, to MSM rope-a-dope, to being poo-pooed by the
GOPe.
But as Farmer Joe said, this is also what contributes to
the petty spats - the times when he really should just let something
roll off his back.
Posted by: Lizzy
This.
Posted by: Dang at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (k0G44)
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>>>3 Putting the pin back into a grenade doesn't do much good......a fact which doesn't harm the appropriateness metaphor much, depressingly enough.......
I didn't say it was a GOOD game
I didn't say it was a GOOD game
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (dciA+)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
And they all lost to ????
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
And they all lost to ????
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (QPdNE)
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I will say again, this Khan Kerfuffle is a phony messed dreamed up by the DNC and pushed by the MFM. That is the way it should be answered. If the two RINOs and couch sitting Gingrich get involved it will just get worse.
These are not "friends" of Trump.
These are not "friends" of Trump.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (mpXpK)
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Also... how do these spats hurt America in general?
Are Trump's spats worse than Hillary's corruption?
Or the bodies that are behind the Clinton Crime Machine?
Or Hillary's rages?
What is more worrisome-- a toddler who throws a fit over something, or an angry adult with lots of guns?
Are Trump's spats worse than Hillary's corruption?
Or the bodies that are behind the Clinton Crime Machine?
Or Hillary's rages?
What is more worrisome-- a toddler who throws a fit over something, or an angry adult with lots of guns?
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (tvyXw)
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16 >>>He should be working for us -- not vice versa.
Wouldn't it be nice if the dogeater in chief would remember that once in a while?
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (N6hcZ)
I read "dogeater" as "derogator."
Wouldn't it be nice if the dogeater in chief would remember that once in a while?
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (N6hcZ)
I read "dogeater" as "derogator."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (9P3OG)
25
15 Ace - you left out the best part of this intervention story. Christie's pouting.
Posted by: SH
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I'm not sure why Christie is so salty. If Trump wins, he'll be the Attorney General. Perhaps not as much prestige on paper, but you actually get to do stuff.
VP is such a bullshit do-nothing job that they let Biden do it.
Posted by: SH
---------
I'm not sure why Christie is so salty. If Trump wins, he'll be the Attorney General. Perhaps not as much prestige on paper, but you actually get to do stuff.
VP is such a bullshit do-nothing job that they let Biden do it.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (xN1DB)
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I don't think Trump stepped in it with this Kahn shit at all, I'm fucking GLAD he's pushing back against assholes like that; fake, lying pieces of shit with anti-American ulterior motives....
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (jjaLl)
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I think no matter whoever says anything, there is a 50-50 chance it will be misheard or misrepresented by 100% of the people hearing it.
Posted by: FCF at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (kejii)
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>>Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Eh, the MSM has the long knives out no matter what. Just look at what they did to squeaky clean, mild-mannered Mitt Romney. They turned him into a stone-cold killer of employees wives, a caveman who wanted to lock women away without even tampons, and a dog-torturer.
The only difference is that with Trump, it's uglier.
I wouldn't be happier with watching Jeb kissing MSM and Hillary's butt for the next few months, either. Neither Trump nor Jeb were my pick.
Kinda at the point where it feels like it's a sideshow act to hide the coronation of whichever favored Dem steals the presidency.
Eh, the MSM has the long knives out no matter what. Just look at what they did to squeaky clean, mild-mannered Mitt Romney. They turned him into a stone-cold killer of employees wives, a caveman who wanted to lock women away without even tampons, and a dog-torturer.
The only difference is that with Trump, it's uglier.
I wouldn't be happier with watching Jeb kissing MSM and Hillary's butt for the next few months, either. Neither Trump nor Jeb were my pick.
Kinda at the point where it feels like it's a sideshow act to hide the coronation of whichever favored Dem steals the presidency.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
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At least Trump has gotten the left to start handing out copies of the Constitution.
This can't possibly be a bad thing. Some people are bound to actually read it. If they do, and this catches on, the establishment on both sides is fucked.
This can't possibly be a bad thing. Some people are bound to actually read it. If they do, and this catches on, the establishment on both sides is fucked.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (4ng05)
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Someone posted on a thread a day or so ago that the rule is, if this isn't attacking Hillary, then shut up.
ABC. Always Battling Clinton.
But this is not really a Trump failing: all conservatives in politics seem to have a hard time not taking this kind of bait. Either they attack the proxy, or they give in to the proxy, because they're assuming that the proxy is genuine. In either case they've taken the bait when they should be attacking the fisherman.
The advantage of someone without those blinders, without boundaries, ought to be that they can break out of that straightjacket, and attack the Democrats for using other people as proxies.
ABC. Always Battling Clinton.
But this is not really a Trump failing: all conservatives in politics seem to have a hard time not taking this kind of bait. Either they attack the proxy, or they give in to the proxy, because they're assuming that the proxy is genuine. In either case they've taken the bait when they should be attacking the fisherman.
The advantage of someone without those blinders, without boundaries, ought to be that they can break out of that straightjacket, and attack the Democrats for using other people as proxies.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (2lndx)
31
I think we're looking at this the wrong way. We've had to do the same thing with every republican politician since Reagan.
This isn't a Trump problem. McCain and Romney both sucked at articulating conservative principles as well. Even the good ones, like Walker and Perry who had actual accomplishments in limiting government, couldn't make a case for it properly. The real problem here is that the media is never. ever. going to give a republican candidate a fair shot.
The Khan thing is bullshit because the media has made such a big deal about it, and they'll never make a big deal when a democratic politician puts their foot in their mouth. If it wasn't that, it would have been something else, and they are never going to stop until the election is in the bag for Hillary (if then).
This isn't a Trump problem. McCain and Romney both sucked at articulating conservative principles as well. Even the good ones, like Walker and Perry who had actual accomplishments in limiting government, couldn't make a case for it properly. The real problem here is that the media is never. ever. going to give a republican candidate a fair shot.
The Khan thing is bullshit because the media has made such a big deal about it, and they'll never make a big deal when a democratic politician puts their foot in their mouth. If it wasn't that, it would have been something else, and they are never going to stop until the election is in the bag for Hillary (if then).
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (KUaJL)
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"I grew very tired of having to do heavy lifting for Bush and Palin."
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I simply refuse to defend these people anymore on anything greater than, say, "come on, he was obviously joking about the baby."
But that's it. (Not that anybody cares or that I have any reach or influence over anybody anyway).
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I simply refuse to defend these people anymore on anything greater than, say, "come on, he was obviously joking about the baby."
But that's it. (Not that anybody cares or that I have any reach or influence over anybody anyway).
Posted by: Kensington at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (QKzob)
33
Odd how the MFM ran with the Khan story and they became overnight celebrities yet Pat Smith is treated like a leper.
Odd how the MFM ran with the Khan story and they became overnight celebrities yet Pat Smith is treated like a leper.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Afroman at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (gv4+t)
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ONE TIME AT RUSSIAN CRAPS CAMP IDI AND I WERE TOSSING DRY ICE BOMBS IN THE OUTHOUSES AND HE FORGOT AND WENT IN TO TAKE A DUMP...
ONE TIME AT RUSSIAN CRAPS CAMP IDI AND I WERE TOSSING DRY ICE BOMBS IN THE OUTHOUSES AND HE FORGOT AND WENT IN TO TAKE A DUMP...
Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE GRENADE FINDER at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (qul7b)
36
The way it looks to me, is that Trump sees all of this not in terms of the Presidency, or American leadership, but of himself. That's why stupid little attacks work on him; those he's gotta respond to. Bigger issues that don't directly involve him don't seem to engage him much.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (AroJD)
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It will still come down to the debates. August is known as the "silly season" in politics for a reason. Most people (and LIV) do not pay attention to the day to day.
But, yeah, it would be nice to see Trump display more competence.
In the end, the Corey Lewandowski faction is probably correct. Trump is going to be Trump. You can't stop it. You can either accept it, and get behind it, or not.
But, yeah, it would be nice to see Trump display more competence.
In the end, the Corey Lewandowski faction is probably correct. Trump is going to be Trump. You can't stop it. You can either accept it, and get behind it, or not.
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (3DSAh)
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I think no matter whoever says anything, there is a 50-50 chance it will
be misheard or misrepresented by 100% of the people hearing it.
--
And if the person is Trump-- or a Republican who doesn't agree with King O-- there is a 100% chance that 100% of the media will spin it for the Democrats.
/an aside- on Facebook, Trump posted a link from Jihad Watch. So someone on his staff is reading that site. Which is think is a VERY good thing.
I think no matter whoever says anything, there is a 50-50 chance it will
be misheard or misrepresented by 100% of the people hearing it.
--
And if the person is Trump-- or a Republican who doesn't agree with King O-- there is a 100% chance that 100% of the media will spin it for the Democrats.
/an aside- on Facebook, Trump posted a link from Jihad Watch. So someone on his staff is reading that site. Which is think is a VERY good thing.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (tvyXw)
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but the idea that you can't have moral courage AND probity and prudence is disproven by most of the US armed forces.
But, having someone in command who knows when to go around the preferred enemy and attack the real enemy (or the real enemy's source of power) is rare. (I just finished reading Victor Davis Hanson's The Soul of Battle. I highly recommend it. Talks about Epaminondas, Sherman, and Patton.)
But, having someone in command who knows when to go around the preferred enemy and attack the real enemy (or the real enemy's source of power) is rare. (I just finished reading Victor Davis Hanson's The Soul of Battle. I highly recommend it. Talks about Epaminondas, Sherman, and Patton.)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (2lndx)
40
BTW, interesting article over at (gasp!) Infowars about Hillary
going off on a guy handling a bomb dog. Gist of it was that she either has a huge personality disorder or a potential brain tumor that causes rage. Or both.
_________________
Hillary is just a nasty person. She always has been. The stories about her and Bill Clinton at Yale were that everybody loved Bill, and nobody could stand Hillary.
Not much has changed in the last 40 years in that regard.
going off on a guy handling a bomb dog. Gist of it was that she either has a huge personality disorder or a potential brain tumor that causes rage. Or both.
_________________
Hillary is just a nasty person. She always has been. The stories about her and Bill Clinton at Yale were that everybody loved Bill, and nobody could stand Hillary.
Not much has changed in the last 40 years in that regard.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (NnYnv)
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I grew very tired of having to do heavy lifting for Bush and Palin. I really resented the fact that neither could seem to carry his or her own load without the entire party pitching in to spell them.
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You want to expand on that? Do you mean carry their own load in selling themselves or in selling conservatism - conservative ideas? Are you basically saying they were bad salesmen?
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You want to expand on that? Do you mean carry their own load in selling themselves or in selling conservatism - conservative ideas? Are you basically saying they were bad salesmen?
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Avi at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (wwH1X)
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Who is escalating the crazy - Trump or the Left?
Imo we are so used to the Left being batshit crazy and the Right just patting their heads and ignoring it.
Trump comes from the Left, so he meets crazy with crazy.
The Right is very uncomfortable with it, because manners, but in terms of strategy, this is one we have not before tried.
Notice how the manners strategy has continually failed in the past.
For me I have no influence on either side so I am just observing, but can see how scary and frustrating it must be for people who think they have any influence.
Imo we are so used to the Left being batshit crazy and the Right just patting their heads and ignoring it.
Trump comes from the Left, so he meets crazy with crazy.
The Right is very uncomfortable with it, because manners, but in terms of strategy, this is one we have not before tried.
Notice how the manners strategy has continually failed in the past.
For me I have no influence on either side so I am just observing, but can see how scary and frustrating it must be for people who think they have any influence.
Posted by: @votermom at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (7lVbc)
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If Trump delivered a four-hour address on policy and sneezed in the middle, the press would spend the next week discussing the sneeze.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (PjWy4)
46
Third prize is you're now living in a socialist country.
Posted by: Kensington at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (QKzob)
47
The Khan thing is bullshit because the media has made such a big deal about it, and they'll never make a big deal when a democratic politician puts their foot in their mouth.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
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That's true, but at least Hillary knows when an issue is bad for her, and doesn't engage.
After Comey basically said that the only thing saving her from indictment was that she was senile, Hillary didn't go on the attack. She didn't call Comey a stupid Republican stooge. She ignored his findings, and when presented with them, she acted like he had vindicated her.
That's how Trump should have handled Khan:
Step 1 - Ignore
Step 2 - Say nice things if pressed
Step 3 - Pivot to how Khan's story is a reason you shold vote for Trump.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
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That's true, but at least Hillary knows when an issue is bad for her, and doesn't engage.
After Comey basically said that the only thing saving her from indictment was that she was senile, Hillary didn't go on the attack. She didn't call Comey a stupid Republican stooge. She ignored his findings, and when presented with them, she acted like he had vindicated her.
That's how Trump should have handled Khan:
Step 1 - Ignore
Step 2 - Say nice things if pressed
Step 3 - Pivot to how Khan's story is a reason you shold vote for Trump.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (xN1DB)
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36 The way it looks to me, is that Trump sees all of this not in terms of the Presidency, or American leadership, but of himself. That's why stupid little attacks work on him; those he's gotta respond to. Bigger issues that don't directly involve him don't seem to engage him much.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (AroJD)
So, now we get 3 months of the Dems and the MSM flicking the Donald in the ear like the fat kid on the school bus just to watch him fly off the handle.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (AroJD)
So, now we get 3 months of the Dems and the MSM flicking the Donald in the ear like the fat kid on the school bus just to watch him fly off the handle.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (RD7QR)
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BUT TRUMP SAID HE WOULD NUKE MEXICO!!!! OMG!!!!
Posted by: #NeverTrump at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (8ZskC)
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Imo we are so used to the Left being batshit crazy and the Right just patting their heads and ignoring it.
Trump comes from the Left, so he meets crazy with crazy.
The Right is very uncomfortable with it, because manners, but in terms of strategy, this is one we have not before tried.
Notice how the manners strategy has continually failed in the past.
For me I have no influence on either side so I am just observing,
but can see how scary and frustrating it must be for people who think
they have any influence.
---
Good point.
Trump comes from the Left, so he meets crazy with crazy.
The Right is very uncomfortable with it, because manners, but in terms of strategy, this is one we have not before tried.
Notice how the manners strategy has continually failed in the past.
For me I have no influence on either side so I am just observing,
but can see how scary and frustrating it must be for people who think
they have any influence.
---
Good point.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (tvyXw)
51
Trump's big mouth is a major part of his appeal. He really doesn't hide anything. What you see with him is what you get. And a lot of voters find that refreshing - which is why, despite all of his gaffes, he's in a close race.
Posted by: Mike at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (ISxUB)
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I'm not sure why Christie is so salty. If Trump wins, he'll be the
Attorney General. Perhaps not as much prestige on paper, but you
actually get to do stuff.
VP is such a bullshit do-nothing job that they let Biden do it.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (xN1DB)
--All of these people have huge egos. And, who knows if Trump kinda led him on. Christie did detonate his campaign in a kamakazi mission to take out Rubio. Maybe he thought he was getting something for it.
Attorney General. Perhaps not as much prestige on paper, but you
actually get to do stuff.
VP is such a bullshit do-nothing job that they let Biden do it.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (xN1DB)
--All of these people have huge egos. And, who knows if Trump kinda led him on. Christie did detonate his campaign in a kamakazi mission to take out Rubio. Maybe he thought he was getting something for it.
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 01:28 PM (3DSAh)
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"The way it looks to me, is that Trump sees all of this not in terms of the Presidency, or American leadership, but of himself."
And Clinton, or every other politician for that matter, is different in that respect how? They may hide it better, some a lot better, but that's about it.
And Clinton, or every other politician for that matter, is different in that respect how? They may hide it better, some a lot better, but that's about it.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 03, 2016 01:28 PM (jjaLl)
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Like Hillary is any different than she was in the first grade
Posted by: x at August 03, 2016 01:28 PM (nFwvY)
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Every time I get almost warmed up to the point of being perhaps ready to lightly consider the possible action of maybe with mild serious thought contemplating the act of getting a Trump bumper sticker --he says something profoundly ignorant.
Then, like the condemned souls clawing Imhotep back to Hades, I hear the cackle of Trump supporters on Breitbart and resign myself to the conservative diaspora.
Then, like the condemned souls clawing Imhotep back to Hades, I hear the cackle of Trump supporters on Breitbart and resign myself to the conservative diaspora.
Posted by: AE at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (ITo+e)
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Christie did detonate his campaign in a kamakazi mission to take out Rubio.
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Sort of like Montgomery bragging about a victory in Belgium after Patton was already in Germany.
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Sort of like Montgomery bragging about a victory in Belgium after Patton was already in Germany.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (gmeXX)
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I think Trump pushing back against Khan has exposed Khan. Something that wouldn't have happened if Trump had just let it go.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (Fmupd)
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34 Almost every other candidate would be up 10 points now?
Here - pull the other one.
Posted by: Afroman at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (gv4+t)
i doubt it. the clintonmachine/MSM will destroy anyone. Cruz would be eviscerated etc.
while I wish Trump had a better filter, he's the best fighter and can go around the MSM.
Here - pull the other one.
Posted by: Afroman at August 03, 2016 01:25 PM (gv4+t)
i doubt it. the clintonmachine/MSM will destroy anyone. Cruz would be eviscerated etc.
while I wish Trump had a better filter, he's the best fighter and can go around the MSM.
Posted by: Avi at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (wwH1X)
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About nukes - the fact that no country in the world believes we will ever use nukes makes us weak.
Posted by: @votermom at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (7lVbc)
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How did you have to bail out Bush? You may not agree with some of his positions but he didn't have to constantly backtrack or change those positions. The part that Trump is not at fault is the dumb faux outrage everyone knew the Left and the media would attempt as they do with every GOP nominee.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (MSiSP)
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If you can't step back and laugh about this from time to time...you're gonna have a rough time.
4.5 billion years from now when the earth is slowly consumed by a dying sun none of this will really matter.
4.5 billion years from now when the earth is slowly consumed by a dying sun none of this will really matter.
Posted by: Max Power at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (q177U)
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47 That's true, but at least Hillary knows when an issue is bad for her, and doesn't engage.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (xN1DB)
Are you saying that based on lack of a report by the MFM? Anything she does that is stupid will never get reported unless local media does it and some conservative blog picks up on it several days later.
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She is the worst campaigner in history and makes Trump look like an expert.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (xN1DB)
Are you saying that based on lack of a report by the MFM? Anything she does that is stupid will never get reported unless local media does it and some conservative blog picks up on it several days later.
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She is the worst campaigner in history and makes Trump look like an expert.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (mpXpK)
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F-O-C-U-S!!!!!
Posted by: Lizzy
Ace, please add this video to this post!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJgrCuOTXoM
F-O-C-U-S!!!!!
Posted by: Lizzy
Ace, please add this video to this post!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJgrCuOTXoM
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:30 PM (EEKes)
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There is this idea that the Right can win with a candidate who never gets his hair mussed was disproven in 2012.
This is the year of no holds barred fighting.
This is the year of no holds barred fighting.
Posted by: @votermom at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (7lVbc)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
LMAO!!!!
No, just no.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
LMAO!!!!
No, just no.
Posted by: Max Power at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (q177U)
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As more than one commentator has pointed out I do think there's an element where Trump never thought he'd go this far, and on at least one level, never wanted to be President. And so, I think there is probably some self-sabotage going on. My hope is that he is settling into the role and maybe resign himself to being a necessary, one-term change of direction President.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (k8tEg)
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A free-swinging wrecking ball isn't anybody's friend; it's everybody's danger.
Don't get in front or behind it.
Don't get in front or behind it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (8GNw0)
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57 I think Trump pushing back against Khan has exposed Khan. Something that wouldn't have happened if Trump had just let it go.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (Fmupd)
true , but that hasn't made it out past the conservative media. a proxy could have done that while Trump could have avoided it.
still Hillarys lying with Wallace should have been a bigger story but its not.
the MSM would find anything to trash any of the other candidates had they got the nomination.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (Fmupd)
true , but that hasn't made it out past the conservative media. a proxy could have done that while Trump could have avoided it.
still Hillarys lying with Wallace should have been a bigger story but its not.
the MSM would find anything to trash any of the other candidates had they got the nomination.
Posted by: Avi at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (wwH1X)
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I was a lot nicer in first grade. That was before constantly having to deal with assholes.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2016 01:32 PM (0mRoj)
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About nukes - the fact that no country in the world believes we will ever use nukes makes us weak.
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Agree 100%
What's the point of a deterrent if everyone knows you'll never use it?
Not only will we not use nukes, we won't even talk about using nukes.
Not only will Uncle Sam not spank you, Uncle Sam will not even TALK about spanking you. So of course the kids are going to be out of control brats.
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Agree 100%
What's the point of a deterrent if everyone knows you'll never use it?
Not only will we not use nukes, we won't even talk about using nukes.
Not only will Uncle Sam not spank you, Uncle Sam will not even TALK about spanking you. So of course the kids are going to be out of control brats.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:32 PM (tvyXw)
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So, now we get 3 months of the Dems and the MSM flicking the Donald in the ear like the fat kid on the school bus just to watch him fly off the handle.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist
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It's even worse than that. Trump doesn't fly off the handle at absolutely everything; he flies off the handle at the stuff that really hurts him.
Khan's criticism - that Trump never sacrificed anything for America - happens to be true. Now, not having sacrificed for America is not a disqualification for the presidency, but it is an effective minor criticism. By freaking the fuck out, Trump shows you where his vulnerabilities are. He concedes that sacrifice is a big deal.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist
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It's even worse than that. Trump doesn't fly off the handle at absolutely everything; he flies off the handle at the stuff that really hurts him.
Khan's criticism - that Trump never sacrificed anything for America - happens to be true. Now, not having sacrificed for America is not a disqualification for the presidency, but it is an effective minor criticism. By freaking the fuck out, Trump shows you where his vulnerabilities are. He concedes that sacrifice is a big deal.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:32 PM (xN1DB)
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You can make fun of that 'basically the same as first grade' but I don't think personality actually changes that terribly much. Not that I'm a big yay trump person, but as much as that's funny I don't think it's a big deal..
Posted by: Lea at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (lIU4e)
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Dance like a monkey ace! Dance!
Posted by: Not Avi at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (RD7QR)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt
Oh no, your precious Republican Shits are gonna lose!!
Who will help the Democrats screw us over?!?!
Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt
Oh no, your precious Republican Shits are gonna lose!!
Who will help the Democrats screw us over?!?!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (EEKes)
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This is the kind of lunacy Trump is dealing with every minute of every day. Frankly, I'm not sure anybody normal could put up with it.
http://tinyurl.com/za8a6wv
http://tinyurl.com/za8a6wv
Posted by: TB at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (UXEYz)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
Don't.
Think.
So.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
Don't.
Think.
So.
Posted by: The MSM, America's Proud Watchdog of Democracy at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (8ZskC)
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If Trump had decided to run in '08 or even in '12 (didn't he?) with this strategy, I don't think he'd have lasted the primaries.
The environment is different now as opposed to then. 8 years of SCOAMF destroying everything with his enablers in the GOP was the last straw.
Whether he's sincere or not, people PERCEIVE him as sincere, and that is what is making him the teflon candidate and "the outsider."
G-d forbid but another jihad attack whether here or abroad will seal the deal.
If Trump had decided to run in '08 or even in '12 (didn't he?) with this strategy, I don't think he'd have lasted the primaries.
The environment is different now as opposed to then. 8 years of SCOAMF destroying everything with his enablers in the GOP was the last straw.
Whether he's sincere or not, people PERCEIVE him as sincere, and that is what is making him the teflon candidate and "the outsider."
G-d forbid but another jihad attack whether here or abroad will seal the deal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (9P3OG)
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The Khan thing (I agree Trump made the mistake of rising to the bait) only resonates with those enamored with virtue signaling. This pretty much covers the Facebook and Twitter crowd. But the big gorilla in the room is that 75% of America state we are on the wrong track and all Hillary is offering is she will be the first woman president. That 75% negative came from the first black president's performance.
Head to Head Trump leads Hillary on the Economy, National Security, and Immigration. He isn't in the running to be the first woman president.
Head to Head Trump leads Hillary on the Economy, National Security, and Immigration. He isn't in the running to be the first woman president.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (oDCMR)
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57 I think Trump pushing back against Khan has exposed Khan. Something that wouldn't have happened if Trump had just let it go.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona
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Okay, great, you showed Khan for who he is. Unfortunately he's not running for president. Hillary is. And spending five days exposing a minor convention speaker as a Muslim wacko moves how many voters away from Hillary?
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona
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Okay, great, you showed Khan for who he is. Unfortunately he's not running for president. Hillary is. And spending five days exposing a minor convention speaker as a Muslim wacko moves how many voters away from Hillary?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (xN1DB)
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Face it; the MFM will lie, distort, cheat and do anything possible to destroy ANY Republican candidate. It is NEVER possible for a Republican candidate to make the MFM happy unless they are a hardcore DIABLO and then they will not get actual support.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Free trade is more dangerous than Islam at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (bhbDH)
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That's true, but at least Hillary knows when an issue is bad for her, and doesn't engage. "
no she engaged Wallace with lies.
the difference is that the MSM will cover for her.
Trump can be 100% on message trashing hillary, but the MSM will tell a story that he threw out a baby.
and the Ryans will run to the MSMs rescue.
no she engaged Wallace with lies.
the difference is that the MSM will cover for her.
Trump can be 100% on message trashing hillary, but the MSM will tell a story that he threw out a baby.
and the Ryans will run to the MSMs rescue.
Posted by: Avi at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (wwH1X)
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Posted by: Free trade is more dangerous than Islam at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (bhbDH)
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Bold nic
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Bold nic
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)
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And the trolls arrive.
Posted by: joncelli, Having a Bad Poll Trip at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (RD7QR)
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57 I think Trump pushing back against Khan has exposed Khan. Something that wouldn't have happened if Trump had just let it go.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona
Maybe so, but wouldn't a more effective line of attack would be to go after the person who set the bait in the first place? i.e. Hilary and SCOAMF?
Just a thought.
Khan is a muzzie brotherhood stooge.
Posted by: Soona
Maybe so, but wouldn't a more effective line of attack would be to go after the person who set the bait in the first place? i.e. Hilary and SCOAMF?
Just a thought.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (9P3OG)
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Where are the Hillary is lying commercials? Anyone in any of the battleground states see any? Lord knows there is so much video of her lying that it's dereliction by the campaign if they haven't run anything yet .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (MSiSP)
Posted by: Paladin at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (LtaK3)
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9 Farmer Joe, a lot of us AREN'T trying to have it both ways. We've hated him all along and this is why. Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
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Preachin' to the choir, brother.
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Preachin' to the choir, brother.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (F2rZx)
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This intervention will not work, because Trump is immune from social pressure. He grew up a rich kid that routinely skated from trouble due to his wealth; he simply never had to learn, as most of us learned and internalized at an early age, that bad behavior, and upsetting conventional (even if dumb) social wisdom, has consequences and should be avoided.
With all due respect, I completely disagree.
The conventional social wisdom needs to be upset. The conventional social wisdom needs to be stomped on.
To hell with the consequences. It has to be attempted. Avoiding it is one of the reasons why we're where we are today.
If Trump fails, so be it. At least somebody tried, unlike the spineless pussies that have overrun the GOP (not referring to you here, for the record). : )
With all due respect, I completely disagree.
The conventional social wisdom needs to be upset. The conventional social wisdom needs to be stomped on.
To hell with the consequences. It has to be attempted. Avoiding it is one of the reasons why we're where we are today.
If Trump fails, so be it. At least somebody tried, unlike the spineless pussies that have overrun the GOP (not referring to you here, for the record). : )
Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (ah5Ar)
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I'm not sure why Christie is so salty. If Trump wins, he'll be the Attorney General.
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Lets hope not. Christie is a Muslim-appeasing dhimmi. Christie is the guy who said he saw nothing wrong with a state employee being fired for filming himself burning his own copy of a koran, on his own time, on his own property. Christie is the guy who said anybody who opposed a Ground Zero victory mosque was a hateful bigot.
Rudy Guiliani would be a much better choice for AG.
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Lets hope not. Christie is a Muslim-appeasing dhimmi. Christie is the guy who said he saw nothing wrong with a state employee being fired for filming himself burning his own copy of a koran, on his own time, on his own property. Christie is the guy who said anybody who opposed a Ground Zero victory mosque was a hateful bigot.
Rudy Guiliani would be a much better choice for AG.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (NnYnv)
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Did Trump throw out the bath water with the baby?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (IqV8l)
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I hope Trump tell them to go fuck themselves...
He's doing just fine with the way he's doing things now. If you start playing by the media's (democrat's) rules, you're sure to lose.
Keep fighting every little thing. Don't give an inch. Never, NEVER apologize for anything.
Use every opportunity to get a few licks in Hillary.
Above all, don't listen to loser republicans.
He's doing just fine with the way he's doing things now. If you start playing by the media's (democrat's) rules, you're sure to lose.
Keep fighting every little thing. Don't give an inch. Never, NEVER apologize for anything.
Use every opportunity to get a few licks in Hillary.
Above all, don't listen to loser republicans.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
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She is the worst campaigner in history and makes Trump look like an expert.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
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Yes, Hillary sucks at campaigning. But she KNOWS she sucks, so she doesn't do it. Here's the difference between Hillary and Trump.
Hillary knows she sucks at press conferences; doesn't hold them.
Trump doesn't realize he sucks at Twitter; keeps using it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
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Yes, Hillary sucks at campaigning. But she KNOWS she sucks, so she doesn't do it. Here's the difference between Hillary and Trump.
Hillary knows she sucks at press conferences; doesn't hold them.
Trump doesn't realize he sucks at Twitter; keeps using it.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (xN1DB)
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81 Posted by: Free trade is more dangerous than Islam at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (bhbDH)
Ooh. Now there's a thought.
Not.
Ooh. Now there's a thought.
Not.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (9P3OG)
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That's true, but at least Hillary knows when an issue is bad for her, and doesn't engage.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (xN1DB)
Not really. Remember "What difference at this point does it make?" as an easy example. If that were a republican politician, such a glib response would have blown up on social media. We'd have seen for weeks videos of John Oliver "ripping to shreds" that excuse.
I don't disagree with the strategy that you need to attack whenever possible, and to turn it back on them, but nobody is going to be 100% perfect with every response. When the media is laser focused on exposing republican flaws and covering up democratic flaws, then unless our candidate is a better rhetorician than Plato, we're going to be spending time covering their tracks in these gaffes.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (xN1DB)
Not really. Remember "What difference at this point does it make?" as an easy example. If that were a republican politician, such a glib response would have blown up on social media. We'd have seen for weeks videos of John Oliver "ripping to shreds" that excuse.
I don't disagree with the strategy that you need to attack whenever possible, and to turn it back on them, but nobody is going to be 100% perfect with every response. When the media is laser focused on exposing republican flaws and covering up democratic flaws, then unless our candidate is a better rhetorician than Plato, we're going to be spending time covering their tracks in these gaffes.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (KUaJL)
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Buncha BLMers & sjws eject Trump supporter from NY public park
https://twitter.com/HalleyBorderCol/status/760547796055232512
https://twitter.com/HalleyBorderCol/status/760547796055232512
Posted by: @votermom at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (7lVbc)
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same shit. different day. pick the trumper or the beast. what difference does it make? it's all kabuki anyway. either way, we are fooked.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (KP5rU)
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>>>On the other hand, the downside of having no internal restraints because you never had to pay for your bad decisions ever before in your life, is... well, you have a megalomaniac man-child like Trump.
So what you're saying is...Trump has the same attitude as a Federally appointed judge.
I think this may save Trump: every time one hears a criticism of him, ones' mind immediately jumps to liberal douchebags and Republican turncoats to whom it more accurately applies. For instance, Obama calling him unfit.
So what you're saying is...Trump has the same attitude as a Federally appointed judge.
I think this may save Trump: every time one hears a criticism of him, ones' mind immediately jumps to liberal douchebags and Republican turncoats to whom it more accurately applies. For instance, Obama calling him unfit.
Posted by: Yuimetal at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (N6hcZ)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (PjWy4)
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KHAAAAAAAN!
Posted by: That captain who always says... at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (vtcmf)
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Don't rely on the MSM. Spend money!! Get out of the rally safe space as your main campaign tool. Go around the MSM.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (MSiSP)
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Trump gonna Trump. Expect an occasional Trumpout, complete with poo-flinging and self-pleasuring in public.
Still better than an utterly corrupt commie mole dyke hater of everything good this country ever accomplished...
Trump gonna Trump. Expect an occasional Trumpout, complete with poo-flinging and self-pleasuring in public.
Still better than an utterly corrupt commie mole dyke hater of everything good this country ever accomplished...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (qul7b)
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Use every opportunity to get a few licks in Hillary.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
That's my job.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
That's my job.
Posted by: Huma the Accomodator at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (RD7QR)
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I think we're on the same page, Avi. The Khan event would have been used against any R nominee, leaving him or her with three choices: ignore, attack, or yield. Most would have yielded - the worst reaction; a few would have ignored and still found it used against them; and Cruz is likely the only other who would have 'attacked'.
The Khan krap isn't over yet - it could still be a positive.
The Khan krap isn't over yet - it could still be a positive.
Posted by: Afroman at August 03, 2016 01:37 PM (gv4+t)
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It's Crazytime for the next three months, with Trump playing Russian Craps -- pull a pin out of one of six grenades, mix the grenades up, then see if you can find the live one and stick the pin back in before it explodes.
Can we play that instead of having this election cycle? Because that would be so so so much better.
Can we play that instead of having this election cycle? Because that would be so so so much better.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (Zs4uk)
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60 How did you have to bail out Bush? You may not agree with some of his positions but he didn't have to constantly backtrack or change those positions. The part that Trump is not at fault is the dumb faux outrage everyone knew the Left and the media would attempt as they do with every GOP nominee.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
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Yeah I was scratching my head at this one, too. I recall thinking that Bush should have attacked more, but I don't recall having to rescue him from his dumbassery.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
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Yeah I was scratching my head at this one, too. I recall thinking that Bush should have attacked more, but I don't recall having to rescue him from his dumbassery.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (xN1DB)
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joe, living dangerously at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (KUaJL)
Why rely on the MSM to put out that message?
Why rely on the MSM to put out that message?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (MSiSP)
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If Cruz were the nominee, the discussion on CNN for the last week would have been "Gee, *DID* his dad kill Kennedy?"
Trump would look placid and regal compared to what the MSM would be doing as a matter of course.
Trump would look placid and regal compared to what the MSM would be doing as a matter of course.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (PjWy4)
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Trump doesn't care who he offends. For good or for ill, he's the Honey Badger of this election cycle, and he's got the toupee to prove it.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (iIzG7)
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Okay, great, you showed Khan for who he is. Unfortunately he's not running for president. Hillary is. And spending five days exposing a minor convention speaker as a Muslim wacko moves how many voters away from Hillary?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (xN1DB)
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It's still a part of the picture with whom the dems (and the Hildebaest) have allied themselves.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:34 PM (xN1DB)
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It's still a part of the picture with whom the dems (and the Hildebaest) have allied themselves.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (Fmupd)
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60 How did you have to bail out Bush? You may not agree with some of his positions but he didn't have to constantly backtrack or change those positions. The part that Trump is not at fault is the dumb faux outrage everyone knew the Left and the media would attempt as they do with every GOP nominee.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
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Yeah I was scratching my head at this one, too. I recall thinking that Bush should have attacked more, but I don't recall having to rescue him from his dumbassery.
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Ace - that is three of us who wouldn't mind if you expounded on that point.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
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Yeah I was scratching my head at this one, too. I recall thinking that Bush should have attacked more, but I don't recall having to rescue him from his dumbassery.
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Ace - that is three of us who wouldn't mind if you expounded on that point.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (gmeXX)
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Farmer Joe, a lot of us AREN'T trying to have it both ways. We've hated him all along and this is why. Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Like Presidents Romney and McCain did?
Like Presidents Romney and McCain did?
Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (ah5Ar)
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I think people get the vapors over what Trump does, then later on forget about it because it wasn't really that big a deal, and in the end he usually ends up winning. Trump clarified himself, and Kahn deleted his website and is backpedaling furiously. Who lost here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)
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"It's Crazytime for the next three months, with Trump playing Russian Craps -- pull a pin out of one of six grenades, mix the grenades up, then see if you can find the live one and stick the pin back in before it explodes."
*bellyflops onto all six grenades*
*bellyflops onto all six grenades*
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (0mRoj)
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Trumps greatest strength is his greatest weakness. He is not a smooth politician. If he goes smooth politician, he will lose support.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (Nwg0u)
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Pence is campaigning in fucking Arizona. When the GOP has to fight for Arizona, the election is pretty much over.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (s6X53)
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Trump is fine. It's the left, nevertrumpers and the passive aggressives who constantly twist things to attack him who shd take a walk.
And why wd anyone trust Reece Penis?
And why wd anyone trust Reece Penis?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (iQIUe)
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Agree 100%
What's the point of a deterrent if everyone knows you'll never use it?
Not only will we not use nukes, we won't even talk about using nukes.
Not only will Uncle Sam not spank you, Uncle Sam will not even TALK about spanking you. So of course the kids are going to be out of control brats.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:32 PM (tvyXw)
"Spanking"? Good Lord.
What's the point of a deterrent if everyone knows you'll never use it?
Not only will we not use nukes, we won't even talk about using nukes.
Not only will Uncle Sam not spank you, Uncle Sam will not even TALK about spanking you. So of course the kids are going to be out of control brats.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:32 PM (tvyXw)
"Spanking"? Good Lord.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (CGjum)
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Don't forget President Bob Dole.
Posted by: President Bob Dole at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (IqV8l)
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[You don't look scared...]
It's weird but I think Trump has the temperament to BE president, but he doesn't have the temperament to RUN for president.
It's weird but I think Trump has the temperament to BE president, but he doesn't have the temperament to RUN for president.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Drooper at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (pC96u)
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Like Presidents Romney and McCain did?
Posted by: Country Boy
This election's gonna be different because the media loves me!
Posted by: Country Boy
This election's gonna be different because the media loves me!
Posted by: John McCain - circa June, 2008 at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (UPYhp)
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Trumps greatest strength is his greatest weakness. He is not a smooth politician. If he goes smooth politician, he will lose support.
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There is definitely a lot of truth there.
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There is definitely a lot of truth there.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (gmeXX)
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Trump as Honey Badger.
Would this necessarily be bad for America?
Did we "benefit" from 8 years of Obama apology tours?
Would this necessarily be bad for America?
Did we "benefit" from 8 years of Obama apology tours?
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (tvyXw)
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and Cruz is likely the only other who would have 'attacked'.
Cruz generally seems to do a good job of staying on message when attacks come out of the blue. I suspect that he would have turned this to be an example of Hillary's failings, and not attacked Khan himself.
When some ditzy Hollywood type ambushes him, he almost always attacks the suggested policy (or its implications) or the politicians who push that policy, rather than the ditzy messenger.
Cruz generally seems to do a good job of staying on message when attacks come out of the blue. I suspect that he would have turned this to be an example of Hillary's failings, and not attacked Khan himself.
When some ditzy Hollywood type ambushes him, he almost always attacks the suggested policy (or its implications) or the politicians who push that policy, rather than the ditzy messenger.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (2lndx)
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2008: Ha ha! Look at those stupid Democrats! They nominated a megalomaniac with absolutely no relevant skill set and who entire background is a fiction! What imbeciles! They picked a narcissist to project all their hopes and dreams on, solely on the basis of "Hope" and "Change" and some idea that they are fighting back at the "establishment" by supporting illusionary strong man who only wants the office because his unimaginable ego feels like he's entitled to it!
2016: Mirrors are hereby banned from existence. Make America Great Again! Punish our enemies! Reward our friends! All he needs is a pen and a phone! Yay!
2016: Mirrors are hereby banned from existence. Make America Great Again! Punish our enemies! Reward our friends! All he needs is a pen and a phone! Yay!
Posted by: Damiano at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (71OEY)
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Bush did not have to be "bailed out" because he never defended himself on ANY of the outrageous lies put out by the Democrats and pushed by the MFM. And that was due to advice from that idiot Karl Rove.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (mpXpK)
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Okay, great, you showed Khan for who he is. Unfortunately he's not running for president. Hillary is. And spending five days exposing a minor convention speaker as a Muslim wacko moves how many voters away from Hillary?
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It shows a willingness to fight the fake smears as they pop up. Something Bush never did, one of the reasons we have 0h!bama.
Trump's going to have to fight this kind of crap everyday to the election and beyond [if he wins].
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It shows a willingness to fight the fake smears as they pop up. Something Bush never did, one of the reasons we have 0h!bama.
Trump's going to have to fight this kind of crap everyday to the election and beyond [if he wins].
Posted by: willy at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (Ffw22)
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114 I think people get the vapors over what Trump does, then later on forget about it because it wasn't really that big a deal, and in the end he usually ends up winning. Trump clarified himself, and Kahn deleted his website and is backpedaling furiously. Who lost here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)
I'd bet less than 5% of people know anything about Khans website. But 100% know that Trump insulted a dead soldier's family.
So yeah, who won?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)
I'd bet less than 5% of people know anything about Khans website. But 100% know that Trump insulted a dead soldier's family.
So yeah, who won?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (s6X53)
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I hope Trump tell them to go fuck themselves...
He's doing just fine with the way he's doing things now. If you
start playing by the media's (democrat's) rules, you're sure to lose.
Keep fighting every little thing. Don't give an inch. Never, NEVER apologize for anything.
Use every opportunity to get a few licks in Hillary.
Above all, don't listen to loser republicans.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
Yup, I agree 100%
I hope Trump tell them to go fuck themselves...
He's doing just fine with the way he's doing things now. If you
start playing by the media's (democrat's) rules, you're sure to lose.
Keep fighting every little thing. Don't give an inch. Never, NEVER apologize for anything.
Use every opportunity to get a few licks in Hillary.
Above all, don't listen to loser republicans.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (Zs4uk)
Yup, I agree 100%
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (jjaLl)
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as long as ryan, mc connell and their toadies are running shit, the president does not matter. it's a fuckin runnin joke. voting matters about as much as a morning dump. you feel better, doesn't change anything.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (KP5rU)
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I know the Cruz campaign would have had five different commercials running in battleground states and that Cruz would be discussing the pathological lying Hillary just committed with Wallace instead of defending himself against 'personal attacks on a gold star familiy' .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (MSiSP)
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Well, lets just say Trump is here on Daytona Beach at 3pm today. At noon there is a line around the block in the 95 degree Florida sun. People want a fighter and will fight for one. Khan, well it is rope a dope, but Trump is the roper. As fr the rest of the GOPe, they know jack about winning, we need to rewrite the rules.
Posted by: the garbone at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (/wcVO)
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66 As more than one commentator has pointed out I do think there's an element where Trump never thought he'd go this far, and on at least one level, never wanted to be President. And so, I think there is probably some self-sabotage going on. My hope is that he is settling into the role and maybe resign himself to being a necessary, one-term change of direction President.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (k8tEg)
he'd never have copywriter "make America Great again" 3 weeks after Romney fizzled"
Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (k8tEg)
he'd never have copywriter "make America Great again" 3 weeks after Romney fizzled"
Posted by: Avi at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (wwH1X)
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Khan is a fifth columnist, so yeah, expsing him is important.
European leaders have allowed ISIS to form a network in europe and its not going to go away. The same policies the donks are pushing will have the same results.
Where are the terrorists always plotting to attack? Donk states.
Khan is a fifth columnist, so yeah, expsing him is important.
European leaders have allowed ISIS to form a network in europe and its not going to go away. The same policies the donks are pushing will have the same results.
Where are the terrorists always plotting to attack? Donk states.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (iQIUe)
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111 It's still a part of the picture with whom the dems (and the Hildebaest) have allied themselves.
Posted by: Soona
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114 I think people get the vapors over what Trump does, then later on forget about it because it wasn't really that big a deal, and in the end he usually ends up winning. Trump clarified himself, and (((Kahn))) deleted his website and is backpedaling furiously. Who lost here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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The price of exposing Khan was five days of bad media coverage for Trump, culminating in the Veterans of Foreign Wars (!!!) condemning Trump.
That's too high a price to pay, and too much time wasted. Trump lost this round. He didn't lose it by as much as he possibly could have, but he lost.
Posted by: Soona
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114 I think people get the vapors over what Trump does, then later on forget about it because it wasn't really that big a deal, and in the end he usually ends up winning. Trump clarified himself, and (((Kahn))) deleted his website and is backpedaling furiously. Who lost here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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The price of exposing Khan was five days of bad media coverage for Trump, culminating in the Veterans of Foreign Wars (!!!) condemning Trump.
That's too high a price to pay, and too much time wasted. Trump lost this round. He didn't lose it by as much as he possibly could have, but he lost.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:44 PM (xN1DB)
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Cruz generally seems to do a good job of staying on message when attacks come out of the blue.
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For all his faults, Bush was very good at staying on message which was always just a few things. But I wonder if that works as well in today's environment. We saw where it got Rubio into trouble. I used to believe that saying the same thing over and over was good because most people only heard it once. But with you tube and people able to mash things together, it is easy to make you look like a robotic politician always saying the same thing. In this regard, Trump may have figured out how to play in the new media landscape.
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For all his faults, Bush was very good at staying on message which was always just a few things. But I wonder if that works as well in today's environment. We saw where it got Rubio into trouble. I used to believe that saying the same thing over and over was good because most people only heard it once. But with you tube and people able to mash things together, it is easy to make you look like a robotic politician always saying the same thing. In this regard, Trump may have figured out how to play in the new media landscape.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:44 PM (gmeXX)
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There may be only one tool that could be used to modify Trump's behavior. He clearly values the public narrative that he is the patriarch of a clan that gets along swimmingly. I tend to doubt this is the case after two scandal ridden divorces and with three mother for his five children but it is certainly is the image Trump wants to project. That image also requires his children to cooperate. If all the adult children threatened to walk out on him, . thus destroying the narrative, it might have an impact. Unfortunately, the children all seem to be birds living in gilded cages their father built for them, so I doubt it could ever happen.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (J1XI0)
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I am with Vic. The whole situation is contrived by the media. Remember Joe the plumber? The media would have caused the same ruckus no matter what Trump had said-even if he had said nothing. The FACT that Trump is still standing after all this is amazing.
Posted by: Chillin the most at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (BI43k)
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"Where are the terrorists always plotting to attack? Donk states."
True. They tried one time in Texas, and got shot dead by a badass cop with a horse.
True. They tried one time in Texas, and got shot dead by a badass cop with a horse.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (iIzG7)
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We see what they let us see.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (Fhc/4)
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Khan is a fifth columnist, so yeah, expsing him is important.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
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Every speaker at the Democrat convention is a fucking fifth columnist. Should Trump spend five days each exposing them? Because he can only do that 19 more times. He's going to run out of days before he runs out of fifth columnists.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
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Every speaker at the Democrat convention is a fucking fifth columnist. Should Trump spend five days each exposing them? Because he can only do that 19 more times. He's going to run out of days before he runs out of fifth columnists.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (xN1DB)
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Cruz generally seems to do a good job of staying on message when attacks come out of the blue. I suspect that he would have turned this to be an example of Hillary's failings, and not attacked Khan himself.
When some ditzy Hollywood type ambushes him, he almost always attacks the suggested policy (or its implications) or the politicians who push that policy, rather than the ditzy messenger.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (2lndx)
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Sorry. Cruz proved he wasn't a strong enough fighter when he attacked Trump for calling Hillary out on only being where she is because of who her husband is, which is 100% factually correct. I say this as someone who voted for Cruz in my primary.
When some ditzy Hollywood type ambushes him, he almost always attacks the suggested policy (or its implications) or the politicians who push that policy, rather than the ditzy messenger.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (2lndx)
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Sorry. Cruz proved he wasn't a strong enough fighter when he attacked Trump for calling Hillary out on only being where she is because of who her husband is, which is 100% factually correct. I say this as someone who voted for Cruz in my primary.
Posted by: Serenity Now! at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (BDZWU)
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116 Trumps greatest strength is his greatest weakness.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
That's it in a nutshell.
We're all prisoners trapped in a tiger cage with the MSM as Viet Cong guards pacing above us, occasionally jabbing at our naked bodies with sharpened bamboo poles.
We keep bickering among ourselves about what the best strategy would have been for avoiding getting jabbed: Should we contort our bodies this way? That way?
Listen: Doesn't mater what we do. Doesn't matter who we would have nominated. The media will and would have "gone the Full Palin" on any of them. The media have this nation in a hammerlock. That's our problem. We're so frustrated that we start attacking each other, but we should be doing nothing but attacking them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
That's it in a nutshell.
We're all prisoners trapped in a tiger cage with the MSM as Viet Cong guards pacing above us, occasionally jabbing at our naked bodies with sharpened bamboo poles.
We keep bickering among ourselves about what the best strategy would have been for avoiding getting jabbed: Should we contort our bodies this way? That way?
Listen: Doesn't mater what we do. Doesn't matter who we would have nominated. The media will and would have "gone the Full Palin" on any of them. The media have this nation in a hammerlock. That's our problem. We're so frustrated that we start attacking each other, but we should be doing nothing but attacking them.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (jBuUi)
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Trump needs to jump in right now and have a special news conference to win over black voters...
Pull out all the stops.
Say that the democrats have been playing the black population for chumps for decades. Tell them that reason blacks aren't making progress is because of the democrat's deal with the teachers union and that Social Security is screwing blacks by eliminating inherited wealth.
Make the blacks victims of the democrats.
Start a fucking riot.
Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money - the money their family would have inherited if they had it in an Individual Retirement Account.
Tell them that's the democrat's way of keeping blacks poor and dependent.
Let's see if the media wants to talk about Khan then.
Pull out all the stops.
Say that the democrats have been playing the black population for chumps for decades. Tell them that reason blacks aren't making progress is because of the democrat's deal with the teachers union and that Social Security is screwing blacks by eliminating inherited wealth.
Make the blacks victims of the democrats.
Start a fucking riot.
Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money - the money their family would have inherited if they had it in an Individual Retirement Account.
Tell them that's the democrat's way of keeping blacks poor and dependent.
Let's see if the media wants to talk about Khan then.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (Zs4uk)
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I think people are getting tired of the default setting for everything being outrage.
What did Trump say about the Khans that was insulting to them or their son.
I hear rumor now that Dems are handing out Constitutions. Guessing that means that the FBI will take that off the suspects for terrorism list.
For now.
What did Trump say about the Khans that was insulting to them or their son.
I hear rumor now that Dems are handing out Constitutions. Guessing that means that the FBI will take that off the suspects for terrorism list.
For now.
Posted by: blaster at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (1hhNr)
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So, is this going to be another trump bashing mega thread disguised as political analysis? Have fun. Puppehs and Rescue Doggehs beckon me....
So, is this going to be another trump bashing mega thread disguised as political analysis? Have fun. Puppehs and Rescue Doggehs beckon me....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (iQIUe)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Any pub running would be in the fetal position by now.
McCain & Romney ring any bells? Binders! Dog carriers!
Jeb!
Please clap.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Any pub running would be in the fetal position by now.
McCain & Romney ring any bells? Binders! Dog carriers!
Jeb!
Please clap.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (AY/TT)
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Since when did Meg fuckin Whitman become a "prominent" Republican, btw?
She has never held any office!
She first announced herself as a Republican, when, 4 years ago?
Since when did Meg fuckin Whitman become a "prominent" Republican, btw?
She has never held any office!
She first announced herself as a Republican, when, 4 years ago?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (EEKes)
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Posted by: the garbone at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (/wcVO)
You think anyone in that line is undecided whether they will vote for Trump?
You think anyone in that line is undecided whether they will vote for Trump?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (MSiSP)
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If Cruz were the nominee, the discussion on CNN for the last week would have been "Gee, *DID* his dad kill Kennedy?"
Yeah, exactly. Trump is still doing the thing he did 5 months ago when people were praising him for bypassing the media and getting his voice out, controlling the message, and being the "F you" to the media and Democrats that Republican candidates never were.
Now suddenly its pearl-clutching time and horror at his gauche statements. The man seems to have a connection with the vapid, childish spirit of the age. Even if that's a nasty, awful place to be, he's working it and reaching people that a more dignified, intellectual candidate would not.
Yeah, exactly. Trump is still doing the thing he did 5 months ago when people were praising him for bypassing the media and getting his voice out, controlling the message, and being the "F you" to the media and Democrats that Republican candidates never were.
Now suddenly its pearl-clutching time and horror at his gauche statements. The man seems to have a connection with the vapid, childish spirit of the age. Even if that's a nasty, awful place to be, he's working it and reaching people that a more dignified, intellectual candidate would not.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)
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137 Cruz generally seems to do a good job of staying on message when attacks come out of the blue.
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For all his faults, Bush was very good at staying on message which was always just a few things. But I wonder if that works as well in today's environment. We saw where it got Rubio into trouble. I used to believe that saying the same thing over and over was good because most people only heard it once. But with you tube and people able to mash things together, it is easy to make you look like a robotic politician always saying the same thing. In this regard, Trump may have figured out how to play in the new media landscape.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:44 PM (gmeXX)
agreed.
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For all his faults, Bush was very good at staying on message which was always just a few things. But I wonder if that works as well in today's environment. We saw where it got Rubio into trouble. I used to believe that saying the same thing over and over was good because most people only heard it once. But with you tube and people able to mash things together, it is easy to make you look like a robotic politician always saying the same thing. In this regard, Trump may have figured out how to play in the new media landscape.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:44 PM (gmeXX)
agreed.
Posted by: Avi at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (wwH1X)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
You Really Think So?
You Really Think So?
Posted by: JEB at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (LtaK3)
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Trump is a LIV. He's our own LIV with an explosive vest strapped on, waiting to go into Washington and let it fly.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 03, 2016 01:47 PM (OZmbA)
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What happens if Trump drops out? Can anyone other than Pence replace him?
Posted by: Imports kill! at August 03, 2016 01:47 PM (bhbDH)
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139 Remember Joe the plumber?
Posted by: Chillin the most
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Yeah I do. And I remember that it was a blunder for Obama to elevate a nobody into an opponent, and treat Joe the Plumber as if he were the enemy. Attacking him was a fuck-up.
Apparently we have learned nothing from that.
Posted by: Chillin the most
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Yeah I do. And I remember that it was a blunder for Obama to elevate a nobody into an opponent, and treat Joe the Plumber as if he were the enemy. Attacking him was a fuck-up.
Apparently we have learned nothing from that.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (xN1DB)
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145 Trump needs to jump in right now and have a special news conference to win over black voters...
Pull out all the stops.
Say that the democrats have been playing the black population for chumps for decades. Tell them that reason blacks aren't making progress is because of the democrat's deal with the teachers union and that Social Security is screwing blacks by eliminating inherited wealth.
Make the blacks victims of the democrats.
Start a fucking riot.
Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money - the money their family would have inherited if they had it in an Individual Retirement Account.
Tell them that's the democrat's way of keeping blacks poor and dependent.
Let's see if the media wants to talk about Khan then.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (Zs4uk)
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THIS. If anybody knows someone in the Trump campaign, get this advice to them stat!
Pull out all the stops.
Say that the democrats have been playing the black population for chumps for decades. Tell them that reason blacks aren't making progress is because of the democrat's deal with the teachers union and that Social Security is screwing blacks by eliminating inherited wealth.
Make the blacks victims of the democrats.
Start a fucking riot.
Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money - the money their family would have inherited if they had it in an Individual Retirement Account.
Tell them that's the democrat's way of keeping blacks poor and dependent.
Let's see if the media wants to talk about Khan then.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (Zs4uk)
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THIS. If anybody knows someone in the Trump campaign, get this advice to them stat!
Posted by: Serenity Now! at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (BDZWU)
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Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (iQIUe)
You want only Trump praised threads? I think his defenders outnumber his critics at aos.
You want only Trump praised threads? I think his defenders outnumber his critics at aos.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (MSiSP)
159
Trump's mercurial temperament is exactly why Democrats made him the Republican nominee.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (sjMdG)
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First Ace Twitter is fake so is Facebook. They have millions of bots that you think are real people and they not. The last election in the UK if you believed Twitter Labour was going to win. And both run by leftist so they are doing everything they can to elect Hillary, keep the gravy train running, especially if TPP passes.
Drudge had a link to a story that they use Facebook / Twitter bots in elections, over 100 million fake bot accounts to manipulate people and the people don't know they are conversing with a bot (computer) they used it in Obama's election and in many Latin American elections.
Second I can understand people's frustration , but if he doesn't do anything they media just makes up shit. He wasn't respectful enough receiving the Purple Heart, he was dismissive, he's not American enough. They twist everything he says, does. Scarborough made up some bullshit story that he " heard" that Trump was asking his advisors we he can't use nuclear weapons. Reported by the Hilll, so they spread their proproganda from one " news" source to another "news" source. And doesn't matter the Trump's person said that never and Scarobourgh is full it . It gets out there. Now they reporting from " sources" they republicans are outs him as the nominee., sure.
Drudge had a link to a story that they use Facebook / Twitter bots in elections, over 100 million fake bot accounts to manipulate people and the people don't know they are conversing with a bot (computer) they used it in Obama's election and in many Latin American elections.
Second I can understand people's frustration , but if he doesn't do anything they media just makes up shit. He wasn't respectful enough receiving the Purple Heart, he was dismissive, he's not American enough. They twist everything he says, does. Scarborough made up some bullshit story that he " heard" that Trump was asking his advisors we he can't use nuclear weapons. Reported by the Hilll, so they spread their proproganda from one " news" source to another "news" source. And doesn't matter the Trump's person said that never and Scarobourgh is full it . It gets out there. Now they reporting from " sources" they republicans are outs him as the nominee., sure.
Posted by: Tom at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (nRWWi)
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Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
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And yet they couldn't even beat Trump.
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And yet they couldn't even beat Trump.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (Fhc/4)
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"What happens if Trump drops out? Can anyone other than Pence replace him?"
Toricelli rule invoked.
Toricelli rule invoked.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (iIzG7)
163
Take this for what it's worth and do not attack me:
Puffington Puffs is reporting that people in the GOP claim Trump is going to drop out of the race.
Say, what?
Take this for what it's worth and do not attack me:
Puffington Puffs is reporting that people in the GOP claim Trump is going to drop out of the race.
Say, what?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (9P3OG)
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That's too high a price to pay, and too much time wasted. Trump lost this round. He didn't lose it by as much as he possibly could have, but he lost.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:44 PM (xN1DB)
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AND it would have been replaced by something else "awful" that Trump has said. The MFM is going to play this game until November.
That's too high a price to pay, and too much time wasted. Trump lost this round. He didn't lose it by as much as he possibly could have, but he lost.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:44 PM (xN1DB)
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AND it would have been replaced by something else "awful" that Trump has said. The MFM is going to play this game until November.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (Fmupd)
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Trump has destroyed his candidacy.
If I keep repeating that I am certain that it will come about.
If I keep repeating that I am certain that it will come about.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet has All You Need to Prepare for Your New Hordeling! at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (hLRSq)
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And I remember that it was a blunder for Obama to elevate a nobody into an opponent, and treat Joe the Plumber as if he were the enemy.
Yeah, boy, that sure hurt him. He was devastated and ended up losing, huh?
Yeah, boy, that sure hurt him. He was devastated and ended up losing, huh?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (39g3+)
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We shoulda nominated for Meg Whitman!
She's the bestest, most prominent, most respected Republican evah!
We shoulda nominated for Meg Whitman!
She's the bestest, most prominent, most respected Republican evah!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (EEKes)
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133 Well, lets just say Trump is here on Daytona Beach at 3pm today. At noon there is a line around the block in the 95 degree Florida sun. People want a fighter and will fight for one. Khan, well it is rope a dope, but Trump is the roper. As fr the rest of the GOPe, they know jack about winning, we need to rewrite the rules.
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A buddy invited me to go, but I couldn't make it. I hope there's a yuuge turnout. Hoping to see pics later.
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A buddy invited me to go, but I couldn't make it. I hope there's a yuuge turnout. Hoping to see pics later.
Posted by: willy at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (Ffw22)
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Ace went on a fantastic twitter rant.
I storified it.
https://storify.com/alexthechick/ace-being-all-wise
No, you won't get twitter cooties on you if you click.
I storified it.
https://storify.com/alexthechick/ace-being-all-wise
No, you won't get twitter cooties on you if you click.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (mf5HN)
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Toricelli rule invoked.
Yeah, I expect that rule only works for Democrats. Also, and here's the fun part, it will need to play out separately in every state.
Yeah, I expect that rule only works for Democrats. Also, and here's the fun part, it will need to play out separately in every state.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (2lndx)
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Yeah I do. And I remember that it was a blunder for Obama to elevate a nobody into an opponent, and treat Joe the Plumber as if he were the enemy. Attacking him was a fuck-up.
Fuck up? Who destroyed whom? Who was president these last 7+ years?
Fuck up? Who destroyed whom? Who was president these last 7+ years?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (AY/TT)
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158 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (iQIUe)
You want only Trump praised threads? I think his defenders outnumber his critics at aos.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (MSiSP
Worth noting:
Just because someone is critical of Mr. Trump does not automatically mean that he/she does not support or minimally won't cast a vote for him.
You want only Trump praised threads? I think his defenders outnumber his critics at aos.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (MSiSP
Worth noting:
Just because someone is critical of Mr. Trump does not automatically mean that he/she does not support or minimally won't cast a vote for him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (9P3OG)
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114 I think people get the vapors over what Trump does, then later on forget about it because it wasn't really that big a deal, and in the end he usually ends up winning. Trump clarified himself, and Kahn deleted his website and is backpedaling furiously. Who lost here?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)
Trump lost.
Because he wasted 4-5 days of precious campaign time battling someone other than his opponent. And because all that most people will take away from this is that Trump was attacking a Gold Star family.
I think you'll see a downward slide in the polls taken after this week. Trump can't afford to lose any votes so this was a screw-up. And you only get so many before you just lose.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:40 PM (39g3+)
Trump lost.
Because he wasted 4-5 days of precious campaign time battling someone other than his opponent. And because all that most people will take away from this is that Trump was attacking a Gold Star family.
I think you'll see a downward slide in the polls taken after this week. Trump can't afford to lose any votes so this was a screw-up. And you only get so many before you just lose.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (wqVD1)
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I'm sure there is a little voice in Trump's head saying "Why change now? My behavior is what won the nomination. If all these geniuses are so smart, why aren't they the nominee?"
And to a certain extent, he was a point. But I think his success will be contingent on how large NeverHillary! vote is.
And to a certain extent, he was a point. But I think his success will be contingent on how large NeverHillary! vote is.
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (6n332)
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Take this for what it's worth and do not attack me:
Puffington Puffs is reporting that people in the GOP claim Trump is going to drop out of the race.
Say, what?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (9P3OG)
They've been saying that shit for months. Except it was always he'd drop out in October. I guess it's August now.
Take this for what it's worth and do not attack me:
Puffington Puffs is reporting that people in the GOP claim Trump is going to drop out of the race.
Say, what?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (9P3OG)
They've been saying that shit for months. Except it was always he'd drop out in October. I guess it's August now.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (s6X53)
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Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money
Lower the retirement age to 50.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money
Lower the retirement age to 50.
Posted by: DNC idea forum at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (IqV8l)
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So the casus belli for this intervention talk seems to have been Trump's refusal to support Paul Ryan's *primary* in a couple weeks (the khan thing is already old in political terms).
Does anyone have a good reason why Trump should be any more supportive of Paul in a primary than Paul was in Trump's primary?
Does anyone have a good reason why Trump should be any more supportive of Paul in a primary than Paul was in Trump's primary?
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (3Liv/)
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>>I am with Vic. The whole situation is contrived by the media. Remember Joe the plumber? The media would have caused the same ruckus no matter what Trump had said-even if he had said nothing. The FACT that Trump is still standing after all this is amazing.
This is not news. They do this to any Republican candidate. The trick is to limit the amount of ammunition you give them to shoot you with. Trump seems incapable of learning this basic lesson.
The reason Trump is still standing is because of his competition. He has horrible approval numbers but Hillary is just a tad better.
Terrific.
This is not news. They do this to any Republican candidate. The trick is to limit the amount of ammunition you give them to shoot you with. Trump seems incapable of learning this basic lesson.
The reason Trump is still standing is because of his competition. He has horrible approval numbers but Hillary is just a tad better.
Terrific.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (Fmupd)
Then let them come up with it. Don't hand it to them.
Then let them come up with it. Don't hand it to them.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (MSiSP)
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So we will have 100 days of Trump taking all the air out of the room, it is as if he is already in office, by Nov folks will rally round the flag. Just a feeling.
All the GOPe falling out now, almost like self deportation.
All the GOPe falling out now, almost like self deportation.
Posted by: the garbone at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (/wcVO)
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Meg Whitman, who couldn't be picked out of a line up, says to vote for Hillary Clinton!
Trump needs to be replaced!
Meg Whitman, who couldn't be picked out of a line up, says to vote for Hillary Clinton!
Trump needs to be replaced!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (EEKes)
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159 Trump's mercurial temperament is exactly why Democrats made him the Republican nominee.
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Before Benedict Comey's traitorous decree , I would have called this a conspiracy theory.
Before....
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Before Benedict Comey's traitorous decree , I would have called this a conspiracy theory.
Before....
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (Fhc/4)
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166 And I remember that it was a blunder for Obama to elevate a nobody into an opponent, and treat Joe the Plumber as if he were the enemy.
Yeah, boy, that sure hurt him. He was devastated and ended up losing, huh?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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Obama won, ergo he made no missteps in his campaign.
Tell me youd on't actually believe that. Please.
Yeah, boy, that sure hurt him. He was devastated and ended up losing, huh?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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Obama won, ergo he made no missteps in his campaign.
Tell me youd on't actually believe that. Please.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (xN1DB)
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>>>You can make fun of that 'basically the same as first grade' but I don't think personality actually changes that terribly much. Not that I'm a big yay trump person, but as much as that's funny I don't think it's a big deal..
of course it does. Morality and empathy are socialized into children by parents. Children are not born with these things. They're quite selfish until they're taught that other matter, too.
Every generation is invaded by a horde of barbarians -- they're called children. Forget who said that.
I put up a post with a funny observation on this.
of course it does. Morality and empathy are socialized into children by parents. Children are not born with these things. They're quite selfish until they're taught that other matter, too.
Every generation is invaded by a horde of barbarians -- they're called children. Forget who said that.
I put up a post with a funny observation on this.
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (dciA+)
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145 Trump needs to ... [good idea #9,382]
Posted by: jwest
Yeah, that (and a zillion other things) would be nice.
But sadly we have no control over him.
Do his advisors read AoS? Maybe. I wouldn't know.
I have no magical answers but we instead need to be focusing on what WE should do. Because Trump gonna Trump. On a good day, it'll be brilliant. On a bad day, it'll be disastrous.
But that's out of our control.
We need to maximize our own effectiveness in defeating Hillary regardless of Trump's antics.
Posted by: jwest
Yeah, that (and a zillion other things) would be nice.
But sadly we have no control over him.
Do his advisors read AoS? Maybe. I wouldn't know.
I have no magical answers but we instead need to be focusing on what WE should do. Because Trump gonna Trump. On a good day, it'll be brilliant. On a bad day, it'll be disastrous.
But that's out of our control.
We need to maximize our own effectiveness in defeating Hillary regardless of Trump's antics.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
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What month is this... August? So that means [uses fingers to count] August, September, October... we have three moar months of this.
Is it gonna get better?
...How would it?
Is it gonna get worse?
To borrow a phrase, you betcha!
Is it gonna get better?
...How would it?
Is it gonna get worse?
To borrow a phrase, you betcha!
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (TOk1P)
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He was on The Factor last night or the night before, I forget, and O'Reilly tried to explain things to him, as he always does too, and in the end he stated later to a guest, "Trump won't admit his mistakes." That is just who he is.
Trump also said "It's worked for me so far."
But, "so far" was getting the nominee. Now it's major hardball. The GOP candidates were (that name for cats that starts with a "p"). Now he's got the media, and the Republican party, and the GOPe/RINO bloggo's and the GOPe/RINO social media idiots to contend with. And the globalists.
No, people should not have to tell him what to do, but he is naive in the "political sense." He thought his friends in business would remain his friends. He was wrong. Politics ends up with (evidently from the headlines, attacking your wife over voting for Hillary) nasty business.
I don't mind him getting help. They all do, and did. Bush, McCain and Romney all stuck their foots in their mouths. And there was not a damn thing they could do about it.
I know what Trump meant about muslim women. We all did. It needs to be said. But the media, and now the child rattling never trumper thumpers are overblowing everything. Even Buffet. All for greed, power, money and status.
Trump needs to figure this out fast. He needs to keep hammering what actually gave him the win. The state of our country.
He was on The Factor last night or the night before, I forget, and O'Reilly tried to explain things to him, as he always does too, and in the end he stated later to a guest, "Trump won't admit his mistakes." That is just who he is.
Trump also said "It's worked for me so far."
But, "so far" was getting the nominee. Now it's major hardball. The GOP candidates were (that name for cats that starts with a "p"). Now he's got the media, and the Republican party, and the GOPe/RINO bloggo's and the GOPe/RINO social media idiots to contend with. And the globalists.
No, people should not have to tell him what to do, but he is naive in the "political sense." He thought his friends in business would remain his friends. He was wrong. Politics ends up with (evidently from the headlines, attacking your wife over voting for Hillary) nasty business.
I don't mind him getting help. They all do, and did. Bush, McCain and Romney all stuck their foots in their mouths. And there was not a damn thing they could do about it.
I know what Trump meant about muslim women. We all did. It needs to be said. But the media, and now the child rattling never trumper thumpers are overblowing everything. Even Buffet. All for greed, power, money and status.
Trump needs to figure this out fast. He needs to keep hammering what actually gave him the win. The state of our country.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (qCMvj)
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What happens if Trump drops out? Can anyone other than Pence replace him?
Posted by: Imports kill!
The GOP can replace him at anytime. It's a private organization. The person they pick won't appear on any ballot, but they can boot him at any time up until Nov. 7.
Posted by: Imports kill!
The GOP can replace him at anytime. It's a private organization. The person they pick won't appear on any ballot, but they can boot him at any time up until Nov. 7.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (8GNw0)
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145 Trump needs to jump in right now and have a special news conference to win over black voters...
Pull out all the stops.
Say that the democrats have been playing the black population for chumps for decades. Tell them that reason blacks aren't making progress is because of the democrat's deal with the teachers union and that Social Security is screwing blacks by eliminating inherited wealth.
Make the blacks victims of the democrats.
Start a fucking riot.
Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money - the money their family would have inherited if they had it in an Individual Retirement Account.
Tell them that's the democrat's way of keeping blacks poor and dependent.
Let's see if the media wants to talk about Khan then.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (Zs4uk)
Then segue into pointing out that illegal immigration directly affects black unemployment.
Pull out all the stops.
Say that the democrats have been playing the black population for chumps for decades. Tell them that reason blacks aren't making progress is because of the democrat's deal with the teachers union and that Social Security is screwing blacks by eliminating inherited wealth.
Make the blacks victims of the democrats.
Start a fucking riot.
Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
Let the democrats explain how black men can pay into Social Security for 45 years then die earlier than whites and receive no money - the money their family would have inherited if they had it in an Individual Retirement Account.
Tell them that's the democrat's way of keeping blacks poor and dependent.
Let's see if the media wants to talk about Khan then.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (Zs4uk)
Then segue into pointing out that illegal immigration directly affects black unemployment.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (SRKgf)
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Gist of it was that she either has a huge personality disorder or a potential brain tumor that causes rage. Or both.
ARF!!! ARF!!! ARF!!!
ARF!!! ARF!!! ARF!!!
Posted by: hilllary at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (LdMbv)
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I see CNN every morning at the gym. They pound on Trump relentlessly, hour after hour, flogging the same stupid "gaffe" for days on end.
On Hillary's opportunistic sanctioning of the overthrow of Khaddafi with no follow-up plan as Secretary of State?
*crickets*
On Hillary's "pay for play" sale of American foreign policy, now under investigation by the FBI?
*crickets*
On Hillary's abandonment of American soldiers at Benghazi?
*crickets*
On Hillary's framing of some poor loser who put a video on YouTube that was critical of the pedophile prophet?
*crickets*
On the humiliation of America by giving a toy RESET button to the Russians?
*crickets*
On Hillary's reckless exposure of American secrets to foreign agents via her bathroom server?
*crickets*
On Hillary's advocacy of unlimited illegal immigration into the U.S.?
*crickets*
On Hillary's very obvious physical ailments?
*crickets*
On the hypocrisy of Hillary's "pro-vagina" bullshit after trashing Bubba's victims and sadistically humiliating a teenaged girl who was raped by her client?
*crickets*
On Hillary getting kicked off of the Watergate investigation committee staff for unethical conduct?
*crickets*
On Huma Abedin's connections to Hillary and the Muslim Brotherhood?
*crickets*
On the unending stream of lies that has issued from Hillary's ugly piehole through the entire span of her public life?
*crickets*
On Hillary's alcoholism?
*crickets*
On Hillary's violently unstable temperament?
*crickets*
I could go on.
My point is that NO GOP CANDIDATE would be "up 10 points" against the relentless headwind of the corrupt American media. Stop kidding yourself.
On Hillary's opportunistic sanctioning of the overthrow of Khaddafi with no follow-up plan as Secretary of State?
*crickets*
On Hillary's "pay for play" sale of American foreign policy, now under investigation by the FBI?
*crickets*
On Hillary's abandonment of American soldiers at Benghazi?
*crickets*
On Hillary's framing of some poor loser who put a video on YouTube that was critical of the pedophile prophet?
*crickets*
On the humiliation of America by giving a toy RESET button to the Russians?
*crickets*
On Hillary's reckless exposure of American secrets to foreign agents via her bathroom server?
*crickets*
On Hillary's advocacy of unlimited illegal immigration into the U.S.?
*crickets*
On Hillary's very obvious physical ailments?
*crickets*
On the hypocrisy of Hillary's "pro-vagina" bullshit after trashing Bubba's victims and sadistically humiliating a teenaged girl who was raped by her client?
*crickets*
On Hillary getting kicked off of the Watergate investigation committee staff for unethical conduct?
*crickets*
On Huma Abedin's connections to Hillary and the Muslim Brotherhood?
*crickets*
On the unending stream of lies that has issued from Hillary's ugly piehole through the entire span of her public life?
*crickets*
On Hillary's alcoholism?
*crickets*
On Hillary's violently unstable temperament?
*crickets*
I could go on.
My point is that NO GOP CANDIDATE would be "up 10 points" against the relentless headwind of the corrupt American media. Stop kidding yourself.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (8ZskC)
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188 What happens if Trump drops out? Can anyone other than Pence replace him?
Like that's gonna happen....
Like that's gonna happen....
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (O2RFr)
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We need to maximize our own effectiveness in defeating Hillary regardless of Trump's antics.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
You are way too sensible.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
You are way too sensible.
Posted by: @votermom at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (7lVbc)
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Boo hoo hoo Trump won't endorse McCain. What unmitigated bullshit the media is spoonfeeding the masses.
The Maverick could turn a Trump endorsement around and spit it back with a, 'No, thanks h8er' note attacked to it.
The crybullies of the world are pissing me off with the constant whining.
The Maverick could turn a Trump endorsement around and spit it back with a, 'No, thanks h8er' note attacked to it.
The crybullies of the world are pissing me off with the constant whining.
Posted by: free range sorta conservative at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (ZnIt3)
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Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (3Liv/)
Because Paul said he supports Trump as the nominee and Trump needs his fence sitting critics to vote for him for President.
Because Paul said he supports Trump as the nominee and Trump needs his fence sitting critics to vote for him for President.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (MSiSP)
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Does anyone have a good reason why Trump should be any more supportive of Paul in a primary than Paul was in Trump's primary?
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Depends on who needs whom more than the other? Back to my question on who should be the bigger man in such a situation? But to focus on Trump, his goal should be to increase the size of his camp. Does campaigning for or against Ryan do that?
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Depends on who needs whom more than the other? Back to my question on who should be the bigger man in such a situation? But to focus on Trump, his goal should be to increase the size of his camp. Does campaigning for or against Ryan do that?
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (gmeXX)
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That's why stupid little attacks work on him; those he's gotta respond to. Bigger issues that don't directly involve him don't seem to engage him much.
Isn't this too the story of Obama ?
Isn't this too the story of Obama ?
Posted by: McCool at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (TQxRy)
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If only we could get back to the good old days of 2012. Where if you weren't all on board for Romney and said something critical about him you were told to sit down and shut up and "how dare you" and " But the Democrats are worse!!!!!"
Posted by: Buzzion at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (z/Ubi)
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Re temperament.
Yeah not important. Mr. First Class Temperament much?
How many people you got killed, how much money you stole, how many laws you broke and secrets you exposed - important. Unless all you really care about is free sh!+ and/or feeling special. Hey wait a minute, 52% of the voting public is all about free sh!+ and feeling special. So that means by definition, you can't get elected unless you are a democrat - even if you are nominally republican.
So the theory about Trump moving us to the left is like saying the Rooster's crow made the sun come up. Its going to happen with out the silly orange haired rooster crowing. It happened yesterday and it will happen every day in the future. Our problems can not be fixed by political candidates.
"Politics is downstream of culture" - Andrew Breitbart.
Yeah not important. Mr. First Class Temperament much?
How many people you got killed, how much money you stole, how many laws you broke and secrets you exposed - important. Unless all you really care about is free sh!+ and/or feeling special. Hey wait a minute, 52% of the voting public is all about free sh!+ and feeling special. So that means by definition, you can't get elected unless you are a democrat - even if you are nominally republican.
So the theory about Trump moving us to the left is like saying the Rooster's crow made the sun come up. Its going to happen with out the silly orange haired rooster crowing. It happened yesterday and it will happen every day in the future. Our problems can not be fixed by political candidates.
"Politics is downstream of culture" - Andrew Breitbart.
Posted by: simplemind at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (JTwsP)
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Meg Whitman, who couldn't be picked out of a line up, says to vote for Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (EEKes)
Exactly. I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (EEKes)
Exactly. I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (SRKgf)
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Wait a minute... I just posted at a phantom thread.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (9mTYi)
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My point is that NO GOP CANDIDATE would be "up 10 points" against the relentless headwind of the corrupt American media. Stop kidding yourself.
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Threadwinner
My point is that NO GOP CANDIDATE would be "up 10 points" against the relentless headwind of the corrupt American media. Stop kidding yourself.
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Threadwinner
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (Fhc/4)
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Things were so much easier when all we had to deal with was the lies on the internet about Trump planning to go after all the Jews.
Things were so much easier when all we had to deal with was the lies on the internet about Trump planning to go after all the Jews.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (EEKes)
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Rush had an interesting observation:
Khan is more visible than Tim Kaine, and acting like he's really Hillary's running mate.
So, go Trump!
Rush had an interesting observation:
Khan is more visible than Tim Kaine, and acting like he's really Hillary's running mate.
So, go Trump!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (9P3OG)
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Not sure an "intervention" is gonna work... Trumps just gotta be trump
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (O2RFr)
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194 Boo hoo hoo Trump won't endorse McCain. What unmitigated bullshit the media is spoonfeeding the masses.
The Maverick could turn a Trump endorsement around and spit it back with a, 'No, thanks h8er' note attacked to it.
The crybullies of the world are pissing me off with the constant whining.
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The MFM knows if T supported McStain or Ryno, he'd lose support.
That's why their "mad", they want the base to turn away from him.
The Maverick could turn a Trump endorsement around and spit it back with a, 'No, thanks h8er' note attacked to it.
The crybullies of the world are pissing me off with the constant whining.
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The MFM knows if T supported McStain or Ryno, he'd lose support.
That's why their "mad", they want the base to turn away from him.
Posted by: willy at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (Ffw22)
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*crickets*
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One thing is common to every one of those examples: Hillary doesn't talk about any of that stuff. She doesn't give the press NEW stuff to report on. When news is bad - like Comey's recommendation - she just ignores it.
That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
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One thing is common to every one of those examples: Hillary doesn't talk about any of that stuff. She doesn't give the press NEW stuff to report on. When news is bad - like Comey's recommendation - she just ignores it.
That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (xN1DB)
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So, if Trump drops out, what happens to the NeverTrumpers? Like dogs chasing parked cars?
I know what I'll do: I'll vote for "primary candidate Cruz," who would've gotten any of this right if only he'd managed to get any of this right.
I know what I'll do: I'll vote for "primary candidate Cruz," who would've gotten any of this right if only he'd managed to get any of this right.
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (Bdeb0)
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of course it does. Morality and empathy are socialized into children by parents. Children are not born with these things. They're quite selfish until they're taught that other matter, too.
Every generation is invaded by a horde of barbarians -- they're called children. Forget who said that.
I put up a post with a funny observation on this.
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (dciA+)
What was that thing, written some years ago, everyone thought it was wise and insightful: "All I need to know I learned in Kindergarten," or something like that.
It's a poem, I think. I want to say Robert Fulgam is the author, but that can't be right... can it?
Crep, lemme look. Yep, Fulgham.
I assume Trump is doing that sort of thing. Which is, needless to say, not some deep discussion of the evolution of morality in human children.
Every generation is invaded by a horde of barbarians -- they're called children. Forget who said that.
I put up a post with a funny observation on this.
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (dciA+)
What was that thing, written some years ago, everyone thought it was wise and insightful: "All I need to know I learned in Kindergarten," or something like that.
It's a poem, I think. I want to say Robert Fulgam is the author, but that can't be right... can it?
Crep, lemme look. Yep, Fulgham.
I assume Trump is doing that sort of thing. Which is, needless to say, not some deep discussion of the evolution of morality in human children.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (TOk1P)
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There's so much concern on this thread.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (Fmupd)
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200 Meg Whitman, who couldn't be picked out of a line up, says to vote for Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (EEKes)
Exactly. I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (SRKgf)
I think she also ran against Barbara Ma'am Boxer but Gloria Allred smeared her with some illegal alien housekeeper thing.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (EEKes)
Exactly. I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM (SRKgf)
I think she also ran against Barbara Ma'am Boxer but Gloria Allred smeared her with some illegal alien housekeeper thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (9P3OG)
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I do worry about the "it's worked so far" argument. We're basically admitting to the Peter Principle here and hoping that the ceiling for this one step higher than it currently is.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (KUaJL)
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>>Does anyone have a good reason why Trump should be any more supportive of Paul in a primary than Paul was in Trump's primary?
I don't think Ryan gives a damn. He is a hell of a lot more popular in his district than Trump is.
I don't think Ryan gives a damn. He is a hell of a lot more popular in his district than Trump is.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (/tuJf)
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191 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (8ZskC)
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What we need is some people with a lot of spare time on their hands to troll the ever loving shit out of CNN. That guy at the RNC holding the Clinton News Network placard behind Jake Tapper? Great start. So let's do more of that and get really creative with it.
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What we need is some people with a lot of spare time on their hands to troll the ever loving shit out of CNN. That guy at the RNC holding the Clinton News Network placard behind Jake Tapper? Great start. So let's do more of that and get really creative with it.
Posted by: Serenity Now! at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (BDZWU)
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Will the intervention include letters from the other 16 GOP candidates explaining how Trump made them sad, like on the TV show?
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (hqZPQ)
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This is not news. They do this to any Republican candidate. The trick is to limit the amount of ammunition you give them to shoot you with.
And when you leave them with no ammunition, they manufacture it.
Binders!!11!!11!!
And when you leave them with no ammunition, they manufacture it.
Binders!!11!!11!!
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (AY/TT)
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131 as long as ryan, mc connell and their toadies are running shit, the president does not matter. it's a fuckin runnin joke.
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Yes, comrade! This is why we must elect a strong man dictator! Abolish Congress! Our Dear Leader must take control of the media and punish insolence and insults against his august person with merciless vengeance!
/sarc
I agree that McConnel, Ryan, et. al. are worthless scumbags that should be deported, imprisoned and/ or otherwise deal with as traitors to the Constitution they swore to uphold.
Here's the problem: Voters. People want free shit. All of them. They all want stuff they feel entitled to and always vote for the jackass who promises it.
Go to your local Tea Party Conservatives for Small Government and Constitutional Freedom rally... ask, "Okay, let's repeal social security. It's bankrupt, responsible for more than 1/3 of debt and unfunded federal liabilities, and a spot on example of unconstitutional government". Everyone there will start screaming about getting "their" money that they paid in and will be completely oblivious to the fact that there is no lock box, there is no money, it was all spent, the checks going out are paid with borrowed cash, and the money people are paying in does not cover the interest payments due on the amount borrowed.
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Yes, comrade! This is why we must elect a strong man dictator! Abolish Congress! Our Dear Leader must take control of the media and punish insolence and insults against his august person with merciless vengeance!
/sarc
I agree that McConnel, Ryan, et. al. are worthless scumbags that should be deported, imprisoned and/ or otherwise deal with as traitors to the Constitution they swore to uphold.
Here's the problem: Voters. People want free shit. All of them. They all want stuff they feel entitled to and always vote for the jackass who promises it.
Go to your local Tea Party Conservatives for Small Government and Constitutional Freedom rally... ask, "Okay, let's repeal social security. It's bankrupt, responsible for more than 1/3 of debt and unfunded federal liabilities, and a spot on example of unconstitutional government". Everyone there will start screaming about getting "their" money that they paid in and will be completely oblivious to the fact that there is no lock box, there is no money, it was all spent, the checks going out are paid with borrowed cash, and the money people are paying in does not cover the interest payments due on the amount borrowed.
Posted by: Damiano at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (71OEY)
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That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
She's "smart" enough to avoid the media for over 200 days now... Bitch is gonna coast into the Presidency... I'm more or less resigned to that now...
That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
She's "smart" enough to avoid the media for over 200 days now... Bitch is gonna coast into the Presidency... I'm more or less resigned to that now...
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Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (3Liv/)
Because Paul said he supports Trump as the nominee and Trump needs his fence sitting critics to vote for him for President.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (MSiSP)
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To me your latter point is the real reason. But if Trump feels like shitting on Ryan is the better way to get people to vote for him, then have at it. Its his campaign.
Because Paul said he supports Trump as the nominee and Trump needs his fence sitting critics to vote for him for President.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (MSiSP)
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To me your latter point is the real reason. But if Trump feels like shitting on Ryan is the better way to get people to vote for him, then have at it. Its his campaign.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (gmeXX)
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Second I can understand people's frustration , but if he doesn't do anything they media just makes up shit. He wasn't respectful enough receiving the Purple Heart, he was dismissive, he's not American enough. They twist everything he says, does. Scarborough made up some bullshit story that he " heard" that Trump was asking his advisors we he can't use nuclear weapons.
Yeah, exactly. Its not like if he was more measured and careful the media would just lay off. Every candidate for the GOP gets this treatment, even if the media has to just make up crap about them. Remember how Romney was going to ban tampons and condoms? How he gave a woman cancer?
The difference is Trump fights back. He's an awful, immoral douchebag, but at least he does what we've been longing for a candidate to do for decades: takes it back to the press and gets his point across anyway.
Yeah, exactly. Its not like if he was more measured and careful the media would just lay off. Every candidate for the GOP gets this treatment, even if the media has to just make up crap about them. Remember how Romney was going to ban tampons and condoms? How he gave a woman cancer?
The difference is Trump fights back. He's an awful, immoral douchebag, but at least he does what we've been longing for a candidate to do for decades: takes it back to the press and gets his point across anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)
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Cruz's big problem is nobody likes him,he could argue policy brilliantly but he comes off like a dick.Throw a Cuban military uniform on the guy and he make a believable Castro henchmen.
Cruz's big problem is nobody likes him,he could argue policy brilliantly but he comes off like a dick.Throw a Cuban military uniform on the guy and he make a believable Castro henchmen.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (lKyWE)
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That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
She's "smart" enough to avoid the media for over 200 days now... Bitch is gonna coast into the Presidency... I'm more or less resigned to that now...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (O2RFr)
It's not that she avoids the media. It's that the media does not cover her.
That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
She's "smart" enough to avoid the media for over 200 days now... Bitch is gonna coast into the Presidency... I'm more or less resigned to that now...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (O2RFr)
It's not that she avoids the media. It's that the media does not cover her.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:57 PM (9P3OG)
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We need to maximize our own effectiveness in defeating Hillary regardless of Trump's antics.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
The way we do that is simple...
1) We come up with the ideas.
2) Ace picks up on the ideas, uses his God-given writing talents to polish them.
3) Using his not-so-unknown smart military website, he starts promoting the idea as if it's Trump's, leaked by unnamed sources.
4) Trump people see the idea, gauge the reaction it's getting, then say it was their idea all along.
5) Ace ends up working for Trump after they mistakenly think it was his idea to start with.
This could be the campaign theme by Friday if Ace gets to work.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
The way we do that is simple...
1) We come up with the ideas.
2) Ace picks up on the ideas, uses his God-given writing talents to polish them.
3) Using his not-so-unknown smart military website, he starts promoting the idea as if it's Trump's, leaked by unnamed sources.
4) Trump people see the idea, gauge the reaction it's getting, then say it was their idea all along.
5) Ace ends up working for Trump after they mistakenly think it was his idea to start with.
This could be the campaign theme by Friday if Ace gets to work.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:57 PM (Zs4uk)
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Re the Torricelli Rule, in 1992 the Minnesota GOP ditched their candidate for governor only days before the election when a purported sex scandal blew him up. There was a state statute in effect that clearly stated the second highest vote getter in the primary would be the replacementt if the candidate died or withdrew between the primary and the general election. (Since the second place finisher was the odious Arne Carlson, I always wondered who leaked the events that took place at a private party to the press.)
There was an controversy, however, about whether the Lt. Governor candidate would remain the same or if the new candidate for governor could pick his own running mate.
There was an controversy, however, about whether the Lt. Governor candidate would remain the same or if the new candidate for governor could pick his own running mate.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (J1XI0)
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Fuck up? Who destroyed whom? Who was president these last 7+ years?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (AY/TT)
I feel like Mugatu.
That was a mistake for Obama, a rare misstep in a campaign that was generally exceedingly well run (and got an enormous amount of assistance). Just because a winning campaign makes a mistake doesn't mean they don't win; often it means they learned from that mistake. You think Obama doesn't wish he could go back and unsay "bitter clingers" at that speech? You can bet he watched his speaking and kept terms like that out until he was safely in office and could let his honest feelings loose.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (AY/TT)
I feel like Mugatu.
That was a mistake for Obama, a rare misstep in a campaign that was generally exceedingly well run (and got an enormous amount of assistance). Just because a winning campaign makes a mistake doesn't mean they don't win; often it means they learned from that mistake. You think Obama doesn't wish he could go back and unsay "bitter clingers" at that speech? You can bet he watched his speaking and kept terms like that out until he was safely in office and could let his honest feelings loose.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (CGjum)
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Because Paul said he supports Trump as the nominee and Trump needs his fence sitting critics to vote for him for President.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (MSiSP)
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That's a good reason to endorse Ryan in the general, but it makes no sense to support an establishment republican in a primary, doubly so given their history.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (MSiSP)
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That's a good reason to endorse Ryan in the general, but it makes no sense to support an establishment republican in a primary, doubly so given their history.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (3Liv/)
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Y'know I don't know if it was intentionally planned or a happy accident, but when GWB was running against John F*ckin Kerry I recall the campaign kept the media and JF'inK on their heels by constantly bringing up new political points and changing the national dialog about the time CNN had assembled its 'panel' to chew on the last one.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (OZmbA)
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One thing is common to every one of those examples: Hillary doesn't talk about any of that stuff. She doesn't give the press NEW stuff to report on. When news is bad - like Comey's recommendation - she just ignores it.
That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (xN1DB)
Totally different situation. She doesn't need to say anything because the MSM will do it for her.
That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM (xN1DB)
Totally different situation. She doesn't need to say anything because the MSM will do it for her.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (SRKgf)
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GOP challenge - how to keep the dumpster from lighting itself on fire continuously.
Posted by: Roy at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (VndSC)
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The weakest argument I see from the Trump spinners is that he won the primary thus he knows what he's doing. First time I've ever heard that spin for a candidate when discussing strategy in the General.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (MSiSP)
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"On one hand, this gives Trump a limited immunity from social pressure and a greater freedom of political motion; most of our pencil-necked, cowardly politicians are so paralyzed by social fear they can't do much more than propose alternative schemes for achieving the liberal agenda."
And that's one of the biggest problems - a meta problem actually - of our politics now. We simply cannot have outside the box, pragmatic discussions and assessments on national policy because the political industry professionals box themselves in due to political pressure and fear of having the wrong word dishonestly parsed by antagonists most of which are MFM-type surrogates for the DNC and the Uniparty.
And like a bunch of trained seals, "we" clap at the outrage machine and demand the one change agent available to us at the moment start singing a different tune. No, let's not demand that he walk back his speech. His statements are provocative; they are not wrong. I'm not about to urge him to back off the attacks in whatever form. It's the incessant pressure of doing politics the "proper" way that has bound this country into its straitjacket.
I simply don't care that he ruffles feathers. These feathers should have been plucked decades ago. If they had been, "we" wouldn't be the constricted, own-shadow fearing fools "we've" been (and continue to be) trained to be.
And that's one of the biggest problems - a meta problem actually - of our politics now. We simply cannot have outside the box, pragmatic discussions and assessments on national policy because the political industry professionals box themselves in due to political pressure and fear of having the wrong word dishonestly parsed by antagonists most of which are MFM-type surrogates for the DNC and the Uniparty.
And like a bunch of trained seals, "we" clap at the outrage machine and demand the one change agent available to us at the moment start singing a different tune. No, let's not demand that he walk back his speech. His statements are provocative; they are not wrong. I'm not about to urge him to back off the attacks in whatever form. It's the incessant pressure of doing politics the "proper" way that has bound this country into its straitjacket.
I simply don't care that he ruffles feathers. These feathers should have been plucked decades ago. If they had been, "we" wouldn't be the constricted, own-shadow fearing fools "we've" been (and continue to be) trained to be.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (1CroS)
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A smart military blog should have a better description of how grenades work. The pin only keeps the spoon in place. Once the spoon is released, putting the pin back in doesn't do anything. The grenade will explode. Putting the pin back in only makes a difference if the spoon hasn't been released yet.
Posted by: JohnJ at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (TF/YA)
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Cruz's big problem is nobody likes him,he could argue policy brilliantly but he comes off like a dick.Throw a Cuban military uniform on the guy and he make a believable Castro henchmen.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (lKyWE)
That's horrible. Criticize the guy all you want for legitimate reasons, but to do that is just scummy. We're pretty fucking lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Cruz's big problem is nobody likes him,he could argue policy brilliantly but he comes off like a dick.Throw a Cuban military uniform on the guy and he make a believable Castro henchmen.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 01:56 PM (lKyWE)
That's horrible. Criticize the guy all you want for legitimate reasons, but to do that is just scummy. We're pretty fucking lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (Idu2i)
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That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
If she was the GOP candidate, it wouldn't matter, the media would bury her regardless of her silence or action on the matter. This isn't about how clever she is or what a dunce Trump is. Its about fighting the battle in the situation you find yourself in. Trump is a bombastic jerk with little self control... like 99% of people on social media. He's singing their song. Maybe that will work; we've seen two presidential candidates try it the decent, honorable, and intelligent way and go down in flames. Maybe this will work? I dunno. In the end, does it really matter?
If she was the GOP candidate, it wouldn't matter, the media would bury her regardless of her silence or action on the matter. This isn't about how clever she is or what a dunce Trump is. Its about fighting the battle in the situation you find yourself in. Trump is a bombastic jerk with little self control... like 99% of people on social media. He's singing their song. Maybe that will work; we've seen two presidential candidates try it the decent, honorable, and intelligent way and go down in flames. Maybe this will work? I dunno. In the end, does it really matter?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)
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Isn't Meg Whitman the actress who did that orgasm scene with Billy Crystal?
Posted by: Northernlurker at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (hJrjt)
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That's why she's winning. Hillary Goddam Clinton is winning because she has the good sense to keep her trap shut about things that hurt her.
Bullshit. And you know it.
Hillary doesn't have to talk about shit because the MSM REFUSES to ask her.
Bullshit. And you know it.
Hillary doesn't have to talk about shit because the MSM REFUSES to ask her.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (AY/TT)
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This week: "Boo hoo hoo Trump won't endorse McCain"
Two weeks ago: "How dare that bastard Cruz not endorse the Republican nominee! Treason! His career is over! Run him out on a rail! Trump must start a SuperPAC to oppose him in his next election!"
Two weeks ago: "How dare that bastard Cruz not endorse the Republican nominee! Treason! His career is over! Run him out on a rail! Trump must start a SuperPAC to oppose him in his next election!"
Posted by: Damiano at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (71OEY)
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Where should the race be, on Wednesday, August 3?
Should Trump have a 15 point lead in the polls, given that he's promised America a rather common-sense way to a better life?
Should Hillary! have a 27 point lead in the polls, after her coronation and Trump's blundering and the sycophancy of the media?
Should Trump have a 15 point lead in the polls, given that he's promised America a rather common-sense way to a better life?
Should Hillary! have a 27 point lead in the polls, after her coronation and Trump's blundering and the sycophancy of the media?
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (hqZPQ)
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There's so much concern on this thread.
Posted by: Soona
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Posted by: free range sorta conservative at August 03, 2016 02:00 PM (ZnIt3)
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236 Isn't Meg Whitman the actress who did that orgasm scene with Billy Crystal?
Posted by: Northernlurker at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (hJrjt)
No. She was the one from Talos IV on "Star Trek."
Posted by: Northernlurker at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (hJrjt)
No. She was the one from Talos IV on "Star Trek."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:00 PM (9P3OG)
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Meg Whitman, who couldn't be picked out of a line up, says to vote for Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM
Exactly. I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM
I think she also ran against Barbara Ma'am Boxer but Gloria Allred smeared her with some illegal alien housekeeper thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM
Meg Whitman was great in Top Gun
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM
Exactly. I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:53 PM
I think she also ran against Barbara Ma'am Boxer but Gloria Allred smeared her with some illegal alien housekeeper thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:55 PM
Meg Whitman was great in Top Gun
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 03, 2016 02:00 PM (ZQfW9)
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I don't think Ryan gives a damn. He is a hell of a lot more popular in his district than Trump is.
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That's probably true, but it seems to be what put Priebus in a snit.
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That's probably true, but it seems to be what put Priebus in a snit.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (3Liv/)
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Bullshit. And you know it.
Hillary doesn't have to talk about shit because the MSM REFUSES to ask her.
When was the last news conference She gave? Like I said She's coasting into the White House with the medias wind behind Her sails...
Hillary doesn't have to talk about shit because the MSM REFUSES to ask her.
When was the last news conference She gave? Like I said She's coasting into the White House with the medias wind behind Her sails...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (O2RFr)
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re: ArthurK's link on WR104 - he should have read the Wiki article more...
The Wolf-Rayet star would have to generate a GRB. ... astronomers believe it unlikely that WR 104 will generate a GRB
a spectrographic observation suggest a significantly larger and therefore less dangerous angle (towards Earth).
The GRB would have to reach far enough in order to damage life on Earth
I'm not worried. We're a hell of a small target to hit from 7500 ly.
The Wolf-Rayet star would have to generate a GRB. ... astronomers believe it unlikely that WR 104 will generate a GRB
a spectrographic observation suggest a significantly larger and therefore less dangerous angle (towards Earth).
The GRB would have to reach far enough in order to damage life on Earth
I'm not worried. We're a hell of a small target to hit from 7500 ly.
Posted by: Gran at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (XIXhw)
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>>The difference is Trump fights back.
Not really. The real difference is he doubles down constantly. It excites the people who were always going to vote for him, the people whom Trump himself said would vote for him if shot somebody on 5th Avenue, but it is not bringing in new voters. His polling number are not going up, they are flat and going down. Trump supporters love this "he fights" theme but the reality is he shoots himself in the foot at least as much as he lands blows on Hillary.
He handled the Khan thing very poorly. Not just the initial response but the 5 days of double, tripling and quadrupling down on it. That is not a winning strategy.
Not really. The real difference is he doubles down constantly. It excites the people who were always going to vote for him, the people whom Trump himself said would vote for him if shot somebody on 5th Avenue, but it is not bringing in new voters. His polling number are not going up, they are flat and going down. Trump supporters love this "he fights" theme but the reality is he shoots himself in the foot at least as much as he lands blows on Hillary.
He handled the Khan thing very poorly. Not just the initial response but the 5 days of double, tripling and quadrupling down on it. That is not a winning strategy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (/tuJf)
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Clinton has had decades worth of criminal and shady activity.
Trump has unforced errors.
It kills me.
Trump has unforced errors.
It kills me.
Posted by: Cheri at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (oiNtH)
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Damn Maet, when do you sleep?
Maet never sleeps.
Maet never sleeps.
Posted by: rust at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (LdMbv)
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Meg Whitman makes a nice candy assortment.
Meg Whitman makes a nice candy assortment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (9P3OG)
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It does seem Trump's media coverage changed once he got a bounce after the convention. Weird.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (TJCSB)
It almost as if they once again supported a bad candidate until he won the nomination and then dropped him like a hot potato a la John McCain. Hmmmm
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (TJCSB)
It almost as if they once again supported a bad candidate until he won the nomination and then dropped him like a hot potato a la John McCain. Hmmmm
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:02 PM (3JA/M)
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The way we do that is simple...
1) We come up with the ideas.
2) Ace picks up on the ideas, uses his God-given writing talents to polish them.
3) Using his not-so-unknown smart military website, he starts promoting the idea as if it's Trump's, leaked by unnamed sources.
4) Trump people see the idea, gauge the reaction it's getting, then say it was their idea all along.
5) Ace ends up working for Trump after they mistakenly think it was his idea to start with.
This could be the campaign theme by Friday if Ace gets to work.
Posted by: jwest
Well, it's a longshot. Better than nothing, I suppose.
1) We come up with the ideas.
2) Ace picks up on the ideas, uses his God-given writing talents to polish them.
3) Using his not-so-unknown smart military website, he starts promoting the idea as if it's Trump's, leaked by unnamed sources.
4) Trump people see the idea, gauge the reaction it's getting, then say it was their idea all along.
5) Ace ends up working for Trump after they mistakenly think it was his idea to start with.
This could be the campaign theme by Friday if Ace gets to work.
Posted by: jwest
Well, it's a longshot. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 02:02 PM (jBuUi)
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Well, the $400 million ransom payment will leave a mark if Mr. Trump hammers away with it.
He has a rally near Daytona later today. Let's see.
Well, the $400 million ransom payment will leave a mark if Mr. Trump hammers away with it.
He has a rally near Daytona later today. Let's see.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:02 PM (9P3OG)
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Trump's spokedollie Katrina Pierson went out and clumsily implied that the late CAPT Khan had been killed on Obama's watch, when in fact quite obviously given the timing it had been while George W. Bush was the President.
The alphabet networks are just creaming their jeans over this. Pierson got absolutely grilled on the Clown Nose Network, and the anchors did their level best to imply that no one on Team Trump, from the Scalpweasel on down, has any command of elementary facts.
Expect now for another two or three news cycles to get damagingly burned up on this Khan nonsense. Due to yet another entirely unforced error from the Trump campaign.
Trump and his entire crew need to learn the First Rule Of Holes: when you're in one, GODDAMNED STOP DIGGING ALREADY.
The alphabet networks are just creaming their jeans over this. Pierson got absolutely grilled on the Clown Nose Network, and the anchors did their level best to imply that no one on Team Trump, from the Scalpweasel on down, has any command of elementary facts.
Expect now for another two or three news cycles to get damagingly burned up on this Khan nonsense. Due to yet another entirely unforced error from the Trump campaign.
Trump and his entire crew need to learn the First Rule Of Holes: when you're in one, GODDAMNED STOP DIGGING ALREADY.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:02 PM (noWW6)
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Well, at least the Khan kerfuffle occurred in July, not October. I'm sure events will hold off until then.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 03, 2016 02:02 PM (hqZPQ)
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Nice post and true.
Trump needs some STFU pills, that said....
the GOP in DC has been playing Russian Roulette with a semi-auto and not a revolver Ace.
Sometimes the right pill jar is "make some damned noise and misbehave" and they have misplaced that jar as badly as Trump has misplaced the other one.
Trump needs some STFU pills, that said....
the GOP in DC has been playing Russian Roulette with a semi-auto and not a revolver Ace.
Sometimes the right pill jar is "make some damned noise and misbehave" and they have misplaced that jar as badly as Trump has misplaced the other one.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:03 PM (SzZnW)
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Put the democrats on defense trying to explain why only 1 in 4 black kids in the inner city learn how to read.
The Sherman campaign.
The Sherman campaign.
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Meg Whitman makes a nice candy assortment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (9P3OG)
She was also a very good poet.
Meg Whitman makes a nice candy assortment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (9P3OG)
She was also a very good poet.
Posted by: Gran at August 03, 2016 02:03 PM (XIXhw)
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Due to yet another entirely unforced error from the Trump campaign.
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He hires the best people.
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He hires the best people.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 02:03 PM (gmeXX)
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This story is out of NBC. It's mostly a lie.
There's been a lot of made-up shit out of MSM in the last few days.
e.g. WaPo has an op-ed "Is Trump crazy?" Noted brilliant psychoanalyst Eugene Robinson puts Trump on the couch and concludes he's certifiable.
e.g.., a regular Morning Joe panelist said that he heard from an unnamed source that Trump really wants to lose so he can create his own Trump TV network -- backed with money from an unnamed Russian oligarch -- so that Trump can cash in on his new political notoriety.
Trump's big mistake was not having a polished sound bite for Stephanoplous. Otherwise, from what I've seen Trump hasn't said much about the Kahns and it's been tempered. If I'm wrong, let me know.
The MSM portrayal of it is another thing. Trump may lose because of MSM, but I think they'll overplay their hand. e.g., Papa Kahn is not camera friendly. Many people -- me included -- could tell he was insincere from the start because of the tone he took at the Convention. He needed to be more weepy -- and should have been coached to do so. His wife actually did a much better job.
There's been a lot of made-up shit out of MSM in the last few days.
e.g. WaPo has an op-ed "Is Trump crazy?" Noted brilliant psychoanalyst Eugene Robinson puts Trump on the couch and concludes he's certifiable.
e.g.., a regular Morning Joe panelist said that he heard from an unnamed source that Trump really wants to lose so he can create his own Trump TV network -- backed with money from an unnamed Russian oligarch -- so that Trump can cash in on his new political notoriety.
Trump's big mistake was not having a polished sound bite for Stephanoplous. Otherwise, from what I've seen Trump hasn't said much about the Kahns and it's been tempered. If I'm wrong, let me know.
The MSM portrayal of it is another thing. Trump may lose because of MSM, but I think they'll overplay their hand. e.g., Papa Kahn is not camera friendly. Many people -- me included -- could tell he was insincere from the start because of the tone he took at the Convention. He needed to be more weepy -- and should have been coached to do so. His wife actually did a much better job.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 03, 2016 02:03 PM (r1fLd)
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Rush talking about this now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:19 PM (9P3OG)
Rush is steal... err... borrowing from Ace again:-P
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:19 PM (9P3OG)
Rush is steal... err... borrowing from Ace again:-P
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (3JA/M)
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>>I'd have to Bing her (?) to remind myself of who she is.
I don't think I'm gonna be 'binging' THAT
I don't think I'm gonna be 'binging' THAT
Posted by: Sphynx at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (OZmbA)
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If there was going to be an 'intervention,' would it be announced to the press? I'd think that such a leak would be to the purposes of the purpose leaking it, rather than to the campaign itself.
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253 Trump's spokedollie Katrina Pierson went out and clumsily implied that the late CAPT Khan had been killed on Obama's watch, when in fact quite obviously given the timing it had been while George W. Bush was the President.
That Woman needs to go...
That Woman needs to go...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
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Yes, we always support candidates by literally calling them Hitler; and hinting that someone should kill him because who wouldn't kill Baby Hitler if they could.
Posted by: the new york times at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (LdMbv)
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>>>It's Crazytime for the next three months, with Trump playing Russian Craps -- pull a pin out of one of six grenades, mix the grenades up, then see if you can find the live one and stick the pin back in before it explodes.
Had I designed the grenade, I would have used a toothbrush instead of a pin!
Had I designed the grenade, I would have used a toothbrush instead of a pin!
Posted by: Alfred Kinsey at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (N6hcZ)
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253 Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:02 PM (noWW6)
Khan was not killed by Ogabe, Khan was killed by Hillary....and Dubya but Dubya ain't on the ticket.
Khan was not killed by Ogabe, Khan was killed by Hillary....and Dubya but Dubya ain't on the ticket.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (SzZnW)
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>> Almost every other Republican running this year would be up by 10 points, now.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
Any other Republican would be down double digits.
Trump and Cruz were the only ones running on immigration and against unfair 'free trade' deals.
An amnesty candidate like Jeb or Marco would do worse than Romney did against Obama.
And as for Cruz, the MSM would have made short work of him, as the song goes he would have been "wrapped up like a douche another runner onna right".
Every four years, thanks to the Dems/GOPe, the demographics get worse and worse for a Republican candidate.
The only way out of this is to bring the white working class into the Republican party to counter the huge wave of Third World immigration. Romney did terribly among whites in the Rust Belt and the northeast. But the GOPe hate these folks, and think they should crawl off and die somewhere as losers in the globalization/push-for-ever-cheaper-labor for transnational business.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (woA40)
Any other Republican would be down double digits.
Trump and Cruz were the only ones running on immigration and against unfair 'free trade' deals.
An amnesty candidate like Jeb or Marco would do worse than Romney did against Obama.
And as for Cruz, the MSM would have made short work of him, as the song goes he would have been "wrapped up like a douche another runner onna right".
Every four years, thanks to the Dems/GOPe, the demographics get worse and worse for a Republican candidate.
The only way out of this is to bring the white working class into the Republican party to counter the huge wave of Third World immigration. Romney did terribly among whites in the Rust Belt and the northeast. But the GOPe hate these folks, and think they should crawl off and die somewhere as losers in the globalization/push-for-ever-cheaper-labor for transnational business.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (5xDis)
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236 Isn't Meg Whitman the actress who did that orgasm scene with Billy Crystal?
Posted by: Northernlurker at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (hJrjt)
I thought she was the sniper in the tower at UT Austin back when.
Posted by: Northernlurker at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (hJrjt)
I thought she was the sniper in the tower at UT Austin back when.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (SRKgf)
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That's horrible. Criticize the guy all you want for legitimate reasons, but to do that is just scummy. We're pretty fucking lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
I like Cruz but thats the fact,he can get elected in Texas but he'd never be elected in a general.Evenwhen he smiles he makes it look painful
That's horrible. Criticize the guy all you want for legitimate reasons, but to do that is just scummy. We're pretty fucking lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
I like Cruz but thats the fact,he can get elected in Texas but he'd never be elected in a general.Evenwhen he smiles he makes it look painful
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (lKyWE)
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Meg Whitman is my favorite poet. Who can ever forget "When RINOs Last in the Dooryard Bloomed"?
Posted by: Caliban at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (DrC22)
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262 If there was going to be an 'intervention,' would it be announced to the press? I'd think that such a leak would be to the purposes of the purpose leaking it, rather than to the campaign itself.
How about the "leak" that Trump wants to use nukes...
How about the "leak" that Trump wants to use nukes...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (O2RFr)
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260 Rush is steal... err... borrowing from Ace again:-P
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (3JA/M)
He opened the show with Trump before Ace posted.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (3JA/M)
He opened the show with Trump before Ace posted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (9P3OG)
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GOP challenge - how to keep the dumpster from lighting itself on fire continuously.
Well since they have been doing it themselves continuously for almost 20 years...
Well since they have been doing it themselves continuously for almost 20 years...
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (Fhc/4)
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Meg Whitman makes a nice candy assortment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (9P3OG)
She was also a very good poet.
Posted by: Gran
I love the way she yodels those country-western classics.
Meg Whitman makes a nice candy assortment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (9P3OG)
She was also a very good poet.
Posted by: Gran
I love the way she yodels those country-western classics.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (jBuUi)
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I put up a post with a funny observation on this.
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (dciA+)
There is a new thread, so this may not get seen, but there was a study a while back that said most of your personality is encoded by 1st grade.
But observe away.
Posted by: ace at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (dciA+)
There is a new thread, so this may not get seen, but there was a study a while back that said most of your personality is encoded by 1st grade.
But observe away.
Posted by: Lea at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (1ZOkK)
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And as for Cruz, the MSM would have made short work of him, as the song goes he would have been "wrapped up like a douche another runner onna right".
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Saying it does not make it true.
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Saying it does not make it true.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (PjWy4)
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Slim Whitman is Meg Whitman's grandfather.
Slim Whitman is Meg Whitman's grandfather.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (EEKes)
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Hillary doesn't have to talk about shit because the MSM REFUSES to ask her.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (xN1DB)
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269 Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (lKyWE)
Was that so difficult? Anyway, I bet you wish you had someone like Mitch McConnell in that seat. You got Cornyn so you should be happier than a pig in shit, n'est ce pas?
Was that so difficult? Anyway, I bet you wish you had someone like Mitch McConnell in that seat. You got Cornyn so you should be happier than a pig in shit, n'est ce pas?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (9P3OG)
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268 Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (SRKgf)
Meg Whitman was that country singer from the '50s right?
Meg Whitman was that country singer from the '50s right?
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (SzZnW)
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The sniveling GOP is the dumpster fire....their continuing collaboration with the MSM/DNC (against their own nominee) is why there is a Trump in the first place.
They are an embarrassment, they are DEAD and just don't know it yet.
They are an embarrassment, they are DEAD and just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Pam at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (cF0hS)
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Nah, it just seems to come natural to Him...
You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Nah, it just seems to come natural to Him...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (O2RFr)
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Trump's spokedollie Katrina Pierson went out and clumsily implied that the late CAPT Khan had been killed on Obama's watch, when in fact quite obviously given the timing it had been while George W. Bush was the President.
I'd still hit it.
I'd still hit it.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 02:07 PM (Idu2i)
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>>270 Meg Whitman is my favorite poet. Who can ever forget "When RINOs Last in the Dooryard Bloomed"?
Posted by: Caliban
heh
Posted by: Caliban
heh
Posted by: Sphynx at August 03, 2016 02:07 PM (OZmbA)
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277 Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (gmeXX)
Ted Cruz wants grandma to starve and is gonna take 'way yo Obamafo!
//MSLSD
Don't kid yourself every GOP candidate is Hitler
Ted Cruz wants grandma to starve and is gonna take 'way yo Obamafo!
//MSLSD
Don't kid yourself every GOP candidate is Hitler
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:07 PM (SzZnW)
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You fools will be having this argument until you die. On your death bed you will be cursing Trump, #NeverTrump, the GOP, if only this and if only that and it would have been different if.
You are worse than the Bush Haters because there are so many more of you, and you will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Grow up, face reality. Trump or Hillary or nobody. But it's not your fault. You did your best. It's everyone else who won't listen to you who let you down and destroyed the country. All of them, those others, the insane ones, the evil ones. It's all Their Fault. You tried, you really tried but no one listens to you.
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You fools will be having this argument until you die. On your death bed you will be cursing Trump, #NeverTrump, the GOP, if only this and if only that and it would have been different if.
You are worse than the Bush Haters because there are so many more of you, and you will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Grow up, face reality. Trump or Hillary or nobody. But it's not your fault. You did your best. It's everyone else who won't listen to you who let you down and destroyed the country. All of them, those others, the insane ones, the evil ones. It's all Their Fault. You tried, you really tried but no one listens to you.
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It's for your future. Don't delay. Subscritions are limited.
Posted by: Psyhic Fiends Nutworks at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (gdoO9)
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That's horrible. Criticize the guy all you want for
legitimate reasons, but to do that is just scummy. We're pretty fucking
lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
I like Cruz but thats the fact,he can get elected in Texas but he'd
never be elected in a general.Evenwhen he smiles he makes it look
painful
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (lKyWE)
Yes he could and would be elected elsewhere.
legitimate reasons, but to do that is just scummy. We're pretty fucking
lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
I like Cruz but thats the fact,he can get elected in Texas but he'd
never be elected in a general.Evenwhen he smiles he makes it look
painful
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:04 PM (lKyWE)
Yes he could and would be elected elsewhere.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (3JA/M)
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The MSM portrayal of it is another thing. Trump may lose because of MSM, but I think they'll overplay their hand. e.g., Papa Kahn is not camera friendly.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 03, 2016 02:03 PM (r1fLd)
Yep. Disaffection with the MSM could make this whole thing blow up in the Dems' faces. Also, you're Papa Khan came across as a preachy dick, and now that we know his political proclivities - including support for sharia - he could become radioactive.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 03, 2016 02:03 PM (r1fLd)
Yep. Disaffection with the MSM could make this whole thing blow up in the Dems' faces. Also, you're Papa Khan came across as a preachy dick, and now that we know his political proclivities - including support for sharia - he could become radioactive.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (SRKgf)
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"wrapped up like a douche another runner onna right".
♫ But you can't be blinded by the lights
If they hit each other simultaneously. ♪
♫ But you can't be blinded by the lights
If they hit each other simultaneously. ♪
Posted by: manfred mann's physics band at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (LdMbv)
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He hires the best people.
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Kinda unsettling.Wasn't that the quote from the guy who built Jurassic Park?
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Kinda unsettling.Wasn't that the quote from the guy who built Jurassic Park?
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 02:09 PM (Fhc/4)
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Meg Whitman has helped make the Republican Party what it is today.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 02:09 PM (PjWy4)
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Don't kid yourself every GOP candidate is Hitler
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I don't. Every GOP must go against the MSM. Its been that way for a long time and yet we have won in the past. I think Cruz would have been able to confront them successfully.
But can't prove it.
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I don't. Every GOP must go against the MSM. Its been that way for a long time and yet we have won in the past. I think Cruz would have been able to confront them successfully.
But can't prove it.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 02:10 PM (gmeXX)
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Also, you're Papa Khan came across as a preachy dick, and now that we know his political proclivities - including support for sharia - he could become radioactive.
The key word in Your statement was "We"..... We know but the general public has no idea because the MSM doesn't report it...
The key word in Your statement was "We"..... We know but the general public has no idea because the MSM doesn't report it...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:10 PM (O2RFr)
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
You think Hillary keeps her mouth shut because the media has nothing on her?
You think Hillary keeps her mouth shut because the media has nothing on her?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 02:10 PM (AY/TT)
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293 Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 02:09 PM (PjWy4)
Christine Todd Whitman too....
"It's MY Party Too"
Yeah sugar it sure is....
Christine Todd Whitman too....
"It's MY Party Too"
Yeah sugar it sure is....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:10 PM (SzZnW)
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The weakest argument I see from the Trump spinners is that he won the primary thus he knows what he's doing. First time I've ever heard that spin for a candidate when discussing strategy in the General.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (MSiSP)
It was the same shit in 2008. Remember how "Running for president was proof positive that Obama was qualified to be president"? The only difference now is that Trump has zero chance of winning, but the cognitive dissonance is the same.
Yes, Trump won the primary... with less than 40% of the vote. 60% was split between 3 other candidates. This number has not improved.
The GOP nominee has 40% or less support from the base, zero support from the opposition, and only 19% of anyone polled, regardless of party identification, views him favorably after over 18 months of campaigning and more media coverage than any candidate for any office has ever received in history. Do the math: over 80% of voters hate him, 100% of democrats will vote against him, and 60% of his own party does not support him.
But, sure, he somehow going to magically overcome that in 100 day whist delivering everyone's past due Skittle shitting unicorns.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (MSiSP)
It was the same shit in 2008. Remember how "Running for president was proof positive that Obama was qualified to be president"? The only difference now is that Trump has zero chance of winning, but the cognitive dissonance is the same.
Yes, Trump won the primary... with less than 40% of the vote. 60% was split between 3 other candidates. This number has not improved.
The GOP nominee has 40% or less support from the base, zero support from the opposition, and only 19% of anyone polled, regardless of party identification, views him favorably after over 18 months of campaigning and more media coverage than any candidate for any office has ever received in history. Do the math: over 80% of voters hate him, 100% of democrats will vote against him, and 60% of his own party does not support him.
But, sure, he somehow going to magically overcome that in 100 day whist delivering everyone's past due Skittle shitting unicorns.
Posted by: Damiano at August 03, 2016 02:10 PM (71OEY)
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Kinsey and Kim Jong have the same hairstyle. Coincidence?
Posted by: Alfred Kinsey at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (N6hcZ)
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>>On the other hand, the downside of having no internal restraints because you never had to pay for your bad decisions ever before in your life, is... well, you have a megalomaniac man-child like Trump.
I would like to know where this petty jealousy crap comes from.
I'm not pretending to know all about Trump's childhood and his father's wealth, but his father began building houses in Queens when he was a teenager. When he died in 1999, his fortune was estimated to be worth between $300-$400 M. Between 1925 and when he died in 1999, he amassed his fortune. Trump was born in 1946.
Just because his family wasn't living in a one room shack on the bayou doesn't mean he simply "skated" because of his father's wealth, the amount of which while he was growing up is not known.
That kind of prejudice is just as disgusting as any other.
Trump has often said his father was very disciplined with him and his brothers, which makes sense considering that with the exception of Fred Jr. the alcoholic, the rest all turned out to make something of themselves.
I'm with Bruce, this is going to turn into another Let's Bash Trump thread, and I think I have other things to do.
I would like to know where this petty jealousy crap comes from.
I'm not pretending to know all about Trump's childhood and his father's wealth, but his father began building houses in Queens when he was a teenager. When he died in 1999, his fortune was estimated to be worth between $300-$400 M. Between 1925 and when he died in 1999, he amassed his fortune. Trump was born in 1946.
Just because his family wasn't living in a one room shack on the bayou doesn't mean he simply "skated" because of his father's wealth, the amount of which while he was growing up is not known.
That kind of prejudice is just as disgusting as any other.
Trump has often said his father was very disciplined with him and his brothers, which makes sense considering that with the exception of Fred Jr. the alcoholic, the rest all turned out to make something of themselves.
I'm with Bruce, this is going to turn into another Let's Bash Trump thread, and I think I have other things to do.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (NNq1n)
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Nah, it just seems to come natural to Him...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (O2RFr)
For instance, I don't think the moderator asked him about his penis size before we were treated to a discussion of it on live tv.
Nah, it just seems to come natural to Him...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (O2RFr)
For instance, I don't think the moderator asked him about his penis size before we were treated to a discussion of it on live tv.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (3JA/M)
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"How did you have to bail out Bush? You may not agree with some of his
positions but he didn't have to constantly backtrack or change those
positions."
George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2001: "I remember they used to put out there in the Old West wanted posters
that said 'Wanted dead or alive.'"
George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2002: "And, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
positions but he didn't have to constantly backtrack or change those
positions."
George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2001: "I remember they used to put out there in the Old West wanted posters
that said 'Wanted dead or alive.'"
George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2002: "And, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (noWW6)
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Another theory for why Trump supposedly says so many dumb things is that those are the only things the media gives him any attention for. Hillary Clinton says a lot more not-just-dumb-but-blatantly-dishonest things and the media doesn't endlessly report that.
If it weren't for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all.
If it weren't for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all.
Posted by: JohnJ at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (TF/YA)
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I wish I could buy 75% of the media an ice cream cone.
I wish I could buy 75% of the media an ice cream cone.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (SzZnW)
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joe hallenbeck... No but there is difference when it's trolling with bullshit and dressing it up as " meaningful " criticism like the Pete troll. Who obviously from yesterday's posts is using a few different names amd his agenda it's fruturation or criticism but to undermine and subvert.
Posted by: Ava at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (nRWWi)
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sven10077: "Don't kid yourself every GOP candidate is Hitler"
This. Forever and always. The idea of checking one's tone now because a/the slur is coming is idiotic.
This. Forever and always. The idea of checking one's tone now because a/the slur is coming is idiotic.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 03, 2016 02:12 PM (1CroS)
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sven10077: "Don't kid yourself every GOP candidate is Hitler"
Of course.... Trumps just making it easier on them... They don't even have to manufacture things... In a way it's refreshing....
Of course.... Trumps just making it easier on them... They don't even have to manufacture things... In a way it's refreshing....
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:13 PM (O2RFr)
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If only we could get back to the good old days of 2012. Where if you weren't all on board for Romney and said something critical about him
you were told to sit down and shut up and "how dare you" and " But the
Democrats are worse!!!!!"
Buzzion, that's a good point. I'm going to add to it a little, it I may.
In 2008, I supported Fred Thompson. Not a great campaigner, but he seemed the closest to my way of thinking. Ultimately, I held my nose and voted for McCain (okay, to be honest, I voted for Sarah and for that grumpy old man she was running with). I held my nose and pulled the handle.
In 2012, I supported Perry. Okay, my track record sucks; so sue me. The song remains the same; I held my nose and pulled the handle for Romney. And then I left the GOP.
In those two elections, I voted for two guys who weren't my candidates, and with whom I had serious disagreements, but -- and here's the key -- at least they met my minimum requirements for a vote. It's like the bumper car ride, with the sign that says "you must be at least this height to go on this ride."
Well, this year, for some people, neither candidate is hitting the bottom of that sign. Politically, Trump is about two feet tall and Hillary is something stuck to the bottom of your shoe, but that sign isn't moving from four-foot-two. Yeah, he's better than Hillary, but for a lot of people, neither one measures up; it's just a matter of one failing by less than the other.
I'm no longer part of the GOP, and I can respect that. I switched back just long enough to vote for Cruz in the primary, and now I'm gone again.
In the last thread, we talked about the Republic being over and both sides of the political coin having their Free Shit Army. There are people who held their nose and voted for McCain and Romney, saying "well, I didn't get my first choice this go-round, but maybe next time." I think a lot of people are catching on that their side is never going to get a turn again in the GOP, so why be counted on as a reliable hold-your-nose voter?
There are people who are done with the game, who are tired of getting screwed, and are willing to step out of the way and let nature run her everloving course.
You have to ask yourself - is there something left worth saving that voting Republican will save? They have a valid point.
you were told to sit down and shut up and "how dare you" and " But the
Democrats are worse!!!!!"
Buzzion, that's a good point. I'm going to add to it a little, it I may.
In 2008, I supported Fred Thompson. Not a great campaigner, but he seemed the closest to my way of thinking. Ultimately, I held my nose and voted for McCain (okay, to be honest, I voted for Sarah and for that grumpy old man she was running with). I held my nose and pulled the handle.
In 2012, I supported Perry. Okay, my track record sucks; so sue me. The song remains the same; I held my nose and pulled the handle for Romney. And then I left the GOP.
In those two elections, I voted for two guys who weren't my candidates, and with whom I had serious disagreements, but -- and here's the key -- at least they met my minimum requirements for a vote. It's like the bumper car ride, with the sign that says "you must be at least this height to go on this ride."
Well, this year, for some people, neither candidate is hitting the bottom of that sign. Politically, Trump is about two feet tall and Hillary is something stuck to the bottom of your shoe, but that sign isn't moving from four-foot-two. Yeah, he's better than Hillary, but for a lot of people, neither one measures up; it's just a matter of one failing by less than the other.
I'm no longer part of the GOP, and I can respect that. I switched back just long enough to vote for Cruz in the primary, and now I'm gone again.
In the last thread, we talked about the Republic being over and both sides of the political coin having their Free Shit Army. There are people who held their nose and voted for McCain and Romney, saying "well, I didn't get my first choice this go-round, but maybe next time." I think a lot of people are catching on that their side is never going to get a turn again in the GOP, so why be counted on as a reliable hold-your-nose voter?
There are people who are done with the game, who are tired of getting screwed, and are willing to step out of the way and let nature run her everloving course.
You have to ask yourself - is there something left worth saving that voting Republican will save? They have a valid point.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 02:15 PM (iIzG7)
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wrapped up like a douche another runner Hitler onna right
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 02:16 PM (Fhc/4)
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Yes he could and would be elected elsewhere.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (3JA/M)
So why is Trump our candidate?
Yes he could and would be elected elsewhere.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (3JA/M)
So why is Trump our candidate?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:16 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 03, 2016 02:16 PM (NdM46)
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>>We're pretty fucking lucky to have him in the senate and as a leader.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
Leader--very lucky indeed. In fact, if I had a nickel for every time I said, "Y'know, that effort/legislation/movement would've failed if Senator Ted Cruz hadn't marshalled support, inspired followers, and delivered results..."
...I'd be Trump-rich.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:59 PM (9P3OG)
Leader--very lucky indeed. In fact, if I had a nickel for every time I said, "Y'know, that effort/legislation/movement would've failed if Senator Ted Cruz hadn't marshalled support, inspired followers, and delivered results..."
...I'd be Trump-rich.
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 02:16 PM (Bdeb0)
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George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2001: "I remember they used to put out there in the Old West wanted posters
that said 'Wanted dead or alive.'"
George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2002: "And, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (noWW6)
:adjusts tinfoil hat:
Why would Bush be concerned about bin laden in 2002? He was killed at Tora Bora in December of 2001.
that said 'Wanted dead or alive.'"
George W. Bush on Osama bin Laden, 2002: "And, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (noWW6)
:adjusts tinfoil hat:
Why would Bush be concerned about bin laden in 2002? He was killed at Tora Bora in December of 2001.
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Why would Bush be concerned about bin laden in 2002? He was killed at Tora Bora in December of 2001.
So who did TFG kill?
So who did TFG kill?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 02:17 PM (AY/TT)
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307 Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 02:13 PM (O2RFr)
Don't vote for him....that'll show the media they need to be fair.
Look I freely admit I am far from angelic on the issue of "not my circus, not my clowns" had the GOP pushed Yeb, Chrispy or the Rube I'd be worse than the NTs....
Like I said to an idiot over at insty(not implying you are an idiot subtly BTW) after Trump is defeated by Billy Dee Kristol my mission will be a little different in 2018....
and I mean it.
I will make it my mission to destroy every nevertrumper in office I can and push the bugfuck craziest democrat candidates I can after I switch parties.
The GOP has shown it has no interest in stopping the left so it is time to give the left my favorite Chinese curse....
"may you have EVERYTHING you ever wished for...."
Don't vote for him....that'll show the media they need to be fair.
Look I freely admit I am far from angelic on the issue of "not my circus, not my clowns" had the GOP pushed Yeb, Chrispy or the Rube I'd be worse than the NTs....
Like I said to an idiot over at insty(not implying you are an idiot subtly BTW) after Trump is defeated by Billy Dee Kristol my mission will be a little different in 2018....
and I mean it.
I will make it my mission to destroy every nevertrumper in office I can and push the bugfuck craziest democrat candidates I can after I switch parties.
The GOP has shown it has no interest in stopping the left so it is time to give the left my favorite Chinese curse....
"may you have EVERYTHING you ever wished for...."
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:18 PM (SzZnW)
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"Trump's big mistake was not having a polished sound bite for Stephanoplous."
Trump's big mistake is behaving as though Staphylococcus is anything other than a longtime operative of Clintonworld. Trump should be calling out this enormous inescapable personal conflict of interest that George S has, and refusing to appear with him. Naming and shaming at every opportunity.
Also, Trump should be asking repeatedly how ABC-Disney can cover him fairly while Trump has decried Disney firing hundreds of American-citizen tech workers and replacing them with cheaper imported H-1B "coolie coders".
Trump's big mistake is behaving as though Staphylococcus is anything other than a longtime operative of Clintonworld. Trump should be calling out this enormous inescapable personal conflict of interest that George S has, and refusing to appear with him. Naming and shaming at every opportunity.
Also, Trump should be asking repeatedly how ABC-Disney can cover him fairly while Trump has decried Disney firing hundreds of American-citizen tech workers and replacing them with cheaper imported H-1B "coolie coders".
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:18 PM (noWW6)
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Why don't they Love the Trump??? Oh wait, they are on the take, that explains a lot.. We need to get a grip. Even the gipper would be getting this treatment, the issue is the rest of the "we are good losers" gang in the GOPe.
Posted by: the garbone at August 03, 2016 02:18 PM (5xuEg)
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246 >>The difference is Trump fights back.
Not really. The real difference is he doubles down constantly. It excites the people who were always going to vote for him, the people whom Trump himself said would vote for him if shot somebody on 5th Avenue, but it is not bringing in new voters. His polling number are not going up, they are flat and going down. Trump supporters love this "he fights" theme but the reality is he shoots himself in the foot at least as much as he lands blows on Hillary.
He handled the Khan thing very poorly. Not just the initial response but the 5 days of double, tripling and quadrupling down on it. That is not a winning strategy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (/tuJf)
Let me remind everyone that the whole raison d'etre of a political campaign is to win the fucking election.
That's it. Period. Full stop. Anything else is a distraction.
It's not to fight back or punish the MSM or teach someone a lesson or send a message or excite you. Sure these may happen sometimes and it's enjoyable and all but this is not the fundamental purpose of the campaign. Politics is not catharsis. Elections are not therapy.
Anything a campaign does that costs them support is a screw-up. If you're behind and are not gaining votes, you are losing.
Not really. The real difference is he doubles down constantly. It excites the people who were always going to vote for him, the people whom Trump himself said would vote for him if shot somebody on 5th Avenue, but it is not bringing in new voters. His polling number are not going up, they are flat and going down. Trump supporters love this "he fights" theme but the reality is he shoots himself in the foot at least as much as he lands blows on Hillary.
He handled the Khan thing very poorly. Not just the initial response but the 5 days of double, tripling and quadrupling down on it. That is not a winning strategy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (/tuJf)
Let me remind everyone that the whole raison d'etre of a political campaign is to win the fucking election.
That's it. Period. Full stop. Anything else is a distraction.
It's not to fight back or punish the MSM or teach someone a lesson or send a message or excite you. Sure these may happen sometimes and it's enjoyable and all but this is not the fundamental purpose of the campaign. Politics is not catharsis. Elections are not therapy.
Anything a campaign does that costs them support is a screw-up. If you're behind and are not gaining votes, you are losing.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 03, 2016 02:19 PM (wqVD1)
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In 2008, I supported Fred Thompson. Not a great
campaigner, but he seemed the closest to my way of thinking. Ultimately,
I held my nose and voted for McCain (okay, to be honest, I voted for
Sarah and for that grumpy old man she was running with). I held my nose
and pulled the handle.
In 2012, I supported Perry. Okay, my track
record sucks; so sue me. The song remains the same; I held my nose and
pulled the handle for Romney. And then I left the GOP.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 02:15 PM (iIzG7)
Me too on both counts... Fred in particular had little to no patience with political BS.
campaigner, but he seemed the closest to my way of thinking. Ultimately,
I held my nose and voted for McCain (okay, to be honest, I voted for
Sarah and for that grumpy old man she was running with). I held my nose
and pulled the handle.
In 2012, I supported Perry. Okay, my track
record sucks; so sue me. The song remains the same; I held my nose and
pulled the handle for Romney. And then I left the GOP.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 02:15 PM (iIzG7)
Me too on both counts... Fred in particular had little to no patience with political BS.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:19 PM (3JA/M)
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There was an analysis I saw of Trump that viewed everything he did through the perspective of his experience as a real estate developer. It was very insightful I thought. I know a consultant who has worked with Trump, and some of what I see Trump doing reminds me a lot of a developer I worked with. Some developers, for God knows what reason, thrive on strife within their teams. They will even foment it if it doesn't occur. Contractor vs consultant, contractor vs sub, consultant vs consultant, etc etc. Some of it is productive shit stirring and some is just bizarre (almost like Joker throwing pieces of pool cues). I worry the next 14 weeks are going to be like that. Everyone gets punched in the face - Rs vs Ds, Tea Party vs RINO, free for all melee at times.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 03, 2016 02:19 PM (ipPNI)
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Let's see - four years of hot pics of Melania or four years of Hillary in a frock coat. I don't think this will be that close.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 03, 2016 02:20 PM (oDCMR)
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280 Hillary doesn't have to talk about shit because the MSM REFUSES to ask her.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (xN1DB)
......
Exactly.
Yes, Hillary's refusal to speak directly to the press outside of a completely scripted and controlled environmental is inexcusable.
Trump, on the other hand, goes on Twitter ever two minutes to say some kind of jackass, ignorant thing and intentionally limits himself to 140 characters, guaranteeing that whatever he says will have no context and easily be twisted by everyone to suit their personal motive. And his supporters see this as a good thing. Anytime anything happens, they await breathlessly for his next tweet.
Then, Trumps spokes assholes (Top.Men) go out for he next 24 hours, trying to modify/ explain/ add context/ clarify whatever jackass thing he said.
Then 48 hours later, Trump holds a press conference to expand and elaborate on whatever jackass thing he tweeted.
Then everyone wonders why an offhand, stupid tweet gets wall to wall 24 hour coverage for weeks and blames the media.
No, Trump does this repeatedly to himself.
Hillary doesn't have to speak, present and argument, defend herself or anything else. All she has to to is sit back, keep her mouth shut, and watch Trump hang himself.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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You think Trump only says dumb shit because the press hounds him until he says something dumb?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 02:06 PM (xN1DB)
......
Exactly.
Yes, Hillary's refusal to speak directly to the press outside of a completely scripted and controlled environmental is inexcusable.
Trump, on the other hand, goes on Twitter ever two minutes to say some kind of jackass, ignorant thing and intentionally limits himself to 140 characters, guaranteeing that whatever he says will have no context and easily be twisted by everyone to suit their personal motive. And his supporters see this as a good thing. Anytime anything happens, they await breathlessly for his next tweet.
Then, Trumps spokes assholes (Top.Men) go out for he next 24 hours, trying to modify/ explain/ add context/ clarify whatever jackass thing he said.
Then 48 hours later, Trump holds a press conference to expand and elaborate on whatever jackass thing he tweeted.
Then everyone wonders why an offhand, stupid tweet gets wall to wall 24 hour coverage for weeks and blames the media.
No, Trump does this repeatedly to himself.
Hillary doesn't have to speak, present and argument, defend herself or anything else. All she has to to is sit back, keep her mouth shut, and watch Trump hang himself.
Posted by: Damiano at August 03, 2016 02:20 PM (71OEY)
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316 Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:18 PM (noWW6)
Trump's problem is he thinks b/c he has partied with Snuffalupagus Snuffy won't try to destroy him....
Snuffy is no more a Clinton ally than Trump was....
Trump's problem is he thinks b/c he has partied with Snuffalupagus Snuffy won't try to destroy him....
Snuffy is no more a Clinton ally than Trump was....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:21 PM (SzZnW)
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Ehh... its way too early to panic. This is playing out kinda like a typical Hollywood story... where Trump will get real low in the polls and everyone will think he's finished, only to have a comeback in the last act, debate season.
No matter how undisciplined and controversial Trump is, the bottom line is that a big majority of Americans DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT WOMAN ON TV the next four years. The country fucking hates her. At least with a President Trump, he'd be very entertaining, to both the left and right. Trump just needs to make sure enough American's are willing to take a chance on him in the White House the next four years. There is still plenty of time to turn things around and leave a positive impression by the time people start voting.
No matter how undisciplined and controversial Trump is, the bottom line is that a big majority of Americans DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT WOMAN ON TV the next four years. The country fucking hates her. At least with a President Trump, he'd be very entertaining, to both the left and right. Trump just needs to make sure enough American's are willing to take a chance on him in the White House the next four years. There is still plenty of time to turn things around and leave a positive impression by the time people start voting.
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 03, 2016 02:22 PM (Uy6ri)
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Anything you do that costs you support is a campaign screw-up. If you're behind and are not gaining votes, you are losing.
Assuming what we read in the media can be trusted.
Assuming what we read in the media can be trusted.
Posted by: Psyhic Fiends Nutworks at August 03, 2016 02:22 PM (gdoO9)
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Things like this make me wonder why he's running and if he thinks he has a chance or is he just pissing in the wind or hoping Hillary pays him off for being just a big enough asshole during the race that she ends up winning it all.
Posted by: Jaimo at August 03, 2016 02:22 PM (9U1OG)
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318 Posted by: Maetenloch at August 03, 2016 02:19 PM (wqVD1)
Absolutely Maet which is what I pointed out to people about Kansas rebuking Huulululakas last night.....
Not my fault Hula Hoop sucked at retail politics and alienated ~25% of the GOP electorate as hello this cycle....
Trump will either win or lose, and I will make my analysis of whether the GOP is worth a bucket of frog piss.
If it is below market value for a bucket of frog piss I will join the Donks and go with Plan B.
Absolutely Maet which is what I pointed out to people about Kansas rebuking Huulululakas last night.....
Not my fault Hula Hoop sucked at retail politics and alienated ~25% of the GOP electorate as hello this cycle....
Trump will either win or lose, and I will make my analysis of whether the GOP is worth a bucket of frog piss.
If it is below market value for a bucket of frog piss I will join the Donks and go with Plan B.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:23 PM (SzZnW)
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Yes he could and would be elected elsewhere.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (3JA/M)
So why is Trump our candidate?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:16 PM (lKyWE)
There is no non-profane answer that I an actually get to come out of my fingers so I will leave it alone.
Are you truly saying that Texas is the only state in which Cruz could be elected? Cause I seem to remember him winning more states than that.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:08 PM (3JA/M)
So why is Trump our candidate?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 02:16 PM (lKyWE)
There is no non-profane answer that I an actually get to come out of my fingers so I will leave it alone.
Are you truly saying that Texas is the only state in which Cruz could be elected? Cause I seem to remember him winning more states than that.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:25 PM (3JA/M)
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328 Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 02:25 PM (3JA/M)
Ted Cruz benefited from a rare bout of "f*c* Bush" in the Texas GOP that cycle....
I know the Ohio GOP pretty well and I voted for Ted in Ohio's primary, Ted would not be elected to the Senate out of Ohio.(sadly)
I miss the days where the Trump people and Cruz people were on the same page about Cased-Dick my governor....
Kasich nominated Trump or finished the process....Trump won sanity lost but insane times may call for an insane candidate.
Ted Cruz benefited from a rare bout of "f*c* Bush" in the Texas GOP that cycle....
I know the Ohio GOP pretty well and I voted for Ted in Ohio's primary, Ted would not be elected to the Senate out of Ohio.(sadly)
I miss the days where the Trump people and Cruz people were on the same page about Cased-Dick my governor....
Kasich nominated Trump or finished the process....Trump won sanity lost but insane times may call for an insane candidate.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:28 PM (SzZnW)
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2008: "Wow, the Republican nominee is a cow on ice. It's really starting to look like the Democrat could win this thing."
Response from the true believers in 2008: "This is all your fault! If only cynics like you would clap louder, Tinkerbell would live, and total victory would be ours!"
2012: "Wow, the Republican nominee is a cow on ice. It's really starting to look like the Democrat could win this thing."
Response from the true believers in 2012: "This is all your fault! If only cynics like you would clap louder, Tinkerbell would live, and total victory would be ours!"
2016: ah, screw it, you know where I'm going with this thing.
Response from the true believers in 2008: "This is all your fault! If only cynics like you would clap louder, Tinkerbell would live, and total victory would be ours!"
2012: "Wow, the Republican nominee is a cow on ice. It's really starting to look like the Democrat could win this thing."
Response from the true believers in 2012: "This is all your fault! If only cynics like you would clap louder, Tinkerbell would live, and total victory would be ours!"
2016: ah, screw it, you know where I'm going with this thing.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:30 PM (noWW6)
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330 Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 02:30 PM (noWW6)
You show me the 2008 and 2012 equivalent of the Billy Dee Kristol/NRO movement...
torque this is it....
the GOP is as useful as an accordion in the tench at Verdun in stopping the left....
//Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
You show me the 2008 and 2012 equivalent of the Billy Dee Kristol/NRO movement...
torque this is it....
the GOP is as useful as an accordion in the tench at Verdun in stopping the left....
//Bury my heart at Wounded Knee
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:32 PM (SzZnW)
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People who are supporting the nominee are now 'Trump spinners'? That's really retarded, sir!
Posted by: Afroman at August 03, 2016 02:32 PM (gv4+t)
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I'm hoping (wild, I know) that Trump will see he can't win, makes some kind of excuse to bow out, and lets another be GOP nominee. Maybe Pence would be best pick since he was picked by Trump, so Trumpsters could relate. Or Gingrich since he is a Trump supporter. Don't think it could be one of the 17 that Trump defeated in primaries because they are sort of deemed 'losers'. From what I've read it would be up to the 168 members of RNC to pick.
Posted by: Alix at August 03, 2016 02:39 PM (MpfHK)
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@damiano: Trump won the primary with less than 40% of the vote? Got a link for that bullshit?
Posted by: Afroman at August 03, 2016 02:40 PM (gv4+t)
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I was told there'd be counter-punching.
Counter-punching like I'd never seen. I'd get tired of all the expert counter-punching.
I mean, a big fat $400 million cash for hostages deal to the master terrorists in Iran just landed in his lap like a drunk stripper, for Chrissakes. Get on TV and talk about that for a while.
Counter-punching like I'd never seen. I'd get tired of all the expert counter-punching.
I mean, a big fat $400 million cash for hostages deal to the master terrorists in Iran just landed in his lap like a drunk stripper, for Chrissakes. Get on TV and talk about that for a while.
Posted by: Eric E. at August 03, 2016 02:41 PM (7b4Mw)
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Trump isn't stupid; if he was, he'd have lost most of the fortune his father left him, and he wouldn't have won the nomination against 17 other Republican contestants, and we'd be talking about Hillary vs Jeb or Hillary vs Rubio.
Many of the fire bombs he lobs are calculated. Of course, not all of them worked, and I think this is one of the cases where it has backfired, and backfired pretty badly. If I were Team Trump, I would have reframed the anger of Daddy Khan and said, look, your son is a hero, and I understand your anger. But your anger is totally misdirected. You should be angry at Hillary, who voted for the unnecessary war that got your son killed. Unfortunately, Team Trump didn't go this route.
I think people are freaking out too early. Trump's behind again, but so what?. The national polls don't matter -- all that matters are the polls in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and a few other battleground states. Trump may be behind in those, but we still have a little less than 3 months to get his metrics back up and etch away Hillary's.
There is ample room to learn from one's mistake, and ample room to damage Hillary on her failures to both the security of the country and the economy.
Many of the fire bombs he lobs are calculated. Of course, not all of them worked, and I think this is one of the cases where it has backfired, and backfired pretty badly. If I were Team Trump, I would have reframed the anger of Daddy Khan and said, look, your son is a hero, and I understand your anger. But your anger is totally misdirected. You should be angry at Hillary, who voted for the unnecessary war that got your son killed. Unfortunately, Team Trump didn't go this route.
I think people are freaking out too early. Trump's behind again, but so what?. The national polls don't matter -- all that matters are the polls in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and a few other battleground states. Trump may be behind in those, but we still have a little less than 3 months to get his metrics back up and etch away Hillary's.
There is ample room to learn from one's mistake, and ample room to damage Hillary on her failures to both the security of the country and the economy.
Posted by: P-Dog at August 03, 2016 02:49 PM (SbcN+)
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We need to maximize our own effectiveness in defeating Hillary regardless of Trump's antics.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
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That's all that we can do --- and it begins in our own backyards, so to speak.
As a closet conservative with many Dem friends/associates, I am subtly, slowly promoting Gary Johnson among those who otherwise will "hold their nose" and vote Hillary. (I've made one convert, which is better than nothing!)
Among conservative Catholic and Evangelical friends, I promote the necessity of voting to stop Hillary, which means voting for the odious Scalp-weasel.
If each of us could turn just a few people, it could make a big difference. In any case, it's all I can do.
We need to maximize our own effectiveness in defeating Hillary regardless of Trump's antics.
Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 01:51 PM (jBuUi)
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That's all that we can do --- and it begins in our own backyards, so to speak.
As a closet conservative with many Dem friends/associates, I am subtly, slowly promoting Gary Johnson among those who otherwise will "hold their nose" and vote Hillary. (I've made one convert, which is better than nothing!)
Among conservative Catholic and Evangelical friends, I promote the necessity of voting to stop Hillary, which means voting for the odious Scalp-weasel.
If each of us could turn just a few people, it could make a big difference. In any case, it's all I can do.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 03, 2016 02:49 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 02:52 PM (iQIUe)
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Worth noting:
Just because someone is critical of Mr. Trump does not automatically mean that he/she does not support or minimally won't cast a vote for him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (9P3OG)
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Even more worth noting: thousand comment threads with the same BS are boring. And so is your defense shtick for some reason you feel the need to repeat ad nauseum.
Just because someone is critical of Mr. Trump does not automatically mean that he/she does not support or minimally won't cast a vote for him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 01:50 PM (9P3OG)
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Even more worth noting: thousand comment threads with the same BS are boring. And so is your defense shtick for some reason you feel the need to repeat ad nauseum.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 02:54 PM (iQIUe)
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Speaking of heavy lifting...Trump wants other people to do that for him. He wants the RNC to do a GOTV for him, which is why his campaign doesn't. He wants the RNC to run ads for him, which is why he has bought $1 million of ads after Labor Day, while Hillary bought $100 million. He doesn't want to do the hard work on the details for a competent professional campaign.
A few Trump supporters even say that it's not enough to vote for Trump, you (the individual voter.) have to rally for him, campaign for him, or else you're for Hillary. Nope, doesn't work that way, especially for a guy who even joked about not taking office if elected.
A few Trump supporters even say that it's not enough to vote for Trump, you (the individual voter.) have to rally for him, campaign for him, or else you're for Hillary. Nope, doesn't work that way, especially for a guy who even joked about not taking office if elected.
Posted by: TKYC at August 03, 2016 02:56 PM (TuhJ1)
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Maybe all those loser pussies should be more concerned about how we got to the situation where the media is allowed to create this shit storm in the first place.
Any mildly inquisitive investigation would've revealed Khan's monetary links to Clinton and his previous advocacy not for the Constitution but for Sharia.
But because they have decided to play King makers and have a liberal Democrat agenda they have refused to broadcast that sort of information and sticking only with negative comments and articles about Trump.
Caving in to the Media agenda by stifling the truth is what has brought us to where we are now; where people are afraid to express their politics, or negative opinions or even to state the facts.
Do we really want to continue down that road?
This election is not only about left vs right about about reality vs a phoney dream world that the left has created that prevents us from viewing the world honestly and factually and making value judgements about what is going on based on those facts.
The media wants to be the ultimate arbiter of those facts and has so far shown a disregard for the danger inherent in applying what you wish were true to the world and then wondering what happened when the facts catch up to you.
In some cases this has lead to murder and rape and it's fast taking hold here where a false premise has become a civil rights movement that has only the destruction of our society and rational crime control as it's eventual outcome if successful.
Any mildly inquisitive investigation would've revealed Khan's monetary links to Clinton and his previous advocacy not for the Constitution but for Sharia.
But because they have decided to play King makers and have a liberal Democrat agenda they have refused to broadcast that sort of information and sticking only with negative comments and articles about Trump.
Caving in to the Media agenda by stifling the truth is what has brought us to where we are now; where people are afraid to express their politics, or negative opinions or even to state the facts.
Do we really want to continue down that road?
This election is not only about left vs right about about reality vs a phoney dream world that the left has created that prevents us from viewing the world honestly and factually and making value judgements about what is going on based on those facts.
The media wants to be the ultimate arbiter of those facts and has so far shown a disregard for the danger inherent in applying what you wish were true to the world and then wondering what happened when the facts catch up to you.
In some cases this has lead to murder and rape and it's fast taking hold here where a false premise has become a civil rights movement that has only the destruction of our society and rational crime control as it's eventual outcome if successful.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 03, 2016 02:57 PM (ECJ+C)
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"Maybe all those loser pussies should be more concerned about how we got to the situation where the media is allowed to create this shit storm in the first place."
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I'm second to none in hating the hypocrisy of the media, but we are way past talking about the shitstorm being created by then. Trump put his foot in his mouth with the Khans, and HE WON'T STOP. He just needs to stop, and then the story is done. But he keeps going. Yes, this isn't being treated the same as Benghazi. Yes, that's an issue. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT DISCUSSING THAT ASPECT AT ALL. It just gets worse and worse, and it won't get out of the news cycle because he won't stop.
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I'm second to none in hating the hypocrisy of the media, but we are way past talking about the shitstorm being created by then. Trump put his foot in his mouth with the Khans, and HE WON'T STOP. He just needs to stop, and then the story is done. But he keeps going. Yes, this isn't being treated the same as Benghazi. Yes, that's an issue. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT DISCUSSING THAT ASPECT AT ALL. It just gets worse and worse, and it won't get out of the news cycle because he won't stop.
Posted by: Dave at August 03, 2016 03:22 PM (2Kysq)
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342-you misspelled "Khan won't stop".
Posted by: nip at August 03, 2016 03:27 PM (L5nkE)
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Ok, so neither are stopping. That doesn't mean Trump has to keep going.
Posted by: Dave at August 03, 2016 03:33 PM (2Kysq)
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Instead, we get to watch every bit of lead he builds up getting set on fire because Trump's ego is all-in on this story, and is perfectly willing to ride it into the ground of a Hillary victory.
Posted by: Dave at August 03, 2016 03:34 PM (2Kysq)
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Serious question: What does "winning" this story look like for Trump? He's the last one to say "You suck" without Khan saying "No YOU suck" back?
There's no victory here, and a massive amount of loss. The closest thing he can get to a win is to not play.
So he keeps on playing, because Trump.
There's no victory here, and a massive amount of loss. The closest thing he can get to a win is to not play.
So he keeps on playing, because Trump.
Posted by: Dave at August 03, 2016 03:36 PM (2Kysq)
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341
Maybe all those loser pussies should be more concerned about how we got
to the situation where the media is allowed to create this shit storm in
the first place.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 03, 2016 02:57 PM (ECJ+C)
...So we should accept Trump, and not ask how the heck we got this idiot as our candidate. We have to accept the world as it is. Right?
But we should not tell Trump to accept the world as it is; and should instead hypothesize about what if we had a different media?
Do you have a plan to entirely change the media in the next couple of months?
Do you have a time machine if we can pinpoint when in the past 50 years we went wrong and could fix it?
Or have we accepted Trump is going to lose; and we now just want ot sort out our stories on WHY he lost and who we'll blame?
I'm going to blame Trump for all the stupid things Trump did. Does that help matters any?
Maybe all those loser pussies should be more concerned about how we got
to the situation where the media is allowed to create this shit storm in
the first place.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 03, 2016 02:57 PM (ECJ+C)
...So we should accept Trump, and not ask how the heck we got this idiot as our candidate. We have to accept the world as it is. Right?
But we should not tell Trump to accept the world as it is; and should instead hypothesize about what if we had a different media?
Do you have a plan to entirely change the media in the next couple of months?
Do you have a time machine if we can pinpoint when in the past 50 years we went wrong and could fix it?
Or have we accepted Trump is going to lose; and we now just want ot sort out our stories on WHY he lost and who we'll blame?
I'm going to blame Trump for all the stupid things Trump did. Does that help matters any?
Posted by: gekkobear at August 03, 2016 04:08 PM (2iR3c)
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There is a new thread, so this may not get seen, but there was a study a while back that said most of your personality is encoded by 1st grade.
But observe away.
Posted by: Lea
Personally. I think people flatter themselves that "they grow up". Basically the people I knew as kids, are still the kids they were, even though they are now in their 50's.
Either of the Clinton's "adult" or do they just present well when the camera's are on? At the end of the day Trump's "problem" is his presentation is two standard deviations from the mean for a politician. That is good and bad. Some days he's on the right of the curve, some days on the left. If he were in the middle all the time, he'd not be where he is now. Deal with it.
Its a high risk approach. Good chance he will burn up on re entry.
But observe away.
Posted by: Lea
Personally. I think people flatter themselves that "they grow up". Basically the people I knew as kids, are still the kids they were, even though they are now in their 50's.
Either of the Clinton's "adult" or do they just present well when the camera's are on? At the end of the day Trump's "problem" is his presentation is two standard deviations from the mean for a politician. That is good and bad. Some days he's on the right of the curve, some days on the left. If he were in the middle all the time, he'd not be where he is now. Deal with it.
Its a high risk approach. Good chance he will burn up on re entry.
Posted by: simplemind at August 03, 2016 04:21 PM (C6xeQ)
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I thought Meg Whitman was the "Master of the Pan-Flute". Or was that Zamfir?
Posted by: simplemind at August 03, 2016 04:23 PM (C6xeQ)
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All you poor souls who just want to see Newt in teh Nood. I honestly don't feel your pain.
Srsly, whether DJ wins or loses, the GOPe is on fiyah (and not in a good way) and the heat from said flameout is popping my corn, so please, let it burn, lest I have nothing to munch while the Ascendent Hildebeest whirls around and eats the extreme liberal left.
Dr. Serizawa: The Oxygen destroyer must not be used!
Ogata: If we do not defend ourselves from Godzilla now, what will become of us?
Dr. Serizawa: And what will become of us if a weapon, such as I now have, falls into the wrong hands?
Ogata: Then you have a responsibility no man has ever faced. You have your fear which might become reality. And you have Godzilla, which *is* reality.
:%s/Godzilla/Hillary|Trump/g (your choice)
Srsly, whether DJ wins or loses, the GOPe is on fiyah (and not in a good way) and the heat from said flameout is popping my corn, so please, let it burn, lest I have nothing to munch while the Ascendent Hildebeest whirls around and eats the extreme liberal left.
Dr. Serizawa: The Oxygen destroyer must not be used!
Ogata: If we do not defend ourselves from Godzilla now, what will become of us?
Dr. Serizawa: And what will become of us if a weapon, such as I now have, falls into the wrong hands?
Ogata: Then you have a responsibility no man has ever faced. You have your fear which might become reality. And you have Godzilla, which *is* reality.
:%s/Godzilla/Hillary|Trump/g (your choice)
Posted by: Orestes at August 03, 2016 04:55 PM (EIJH/)
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I agree and want him to quit walking into MSM or DNC traps. I want him to focus like a laser on Hillary. I want him to memorize his twitter response to Obarfy yesterday, pitch perfect, on his and Hilz failures.
However:
1) It is still early. Long month ahead of screeching and wailing and ashes on head. Unfortunately a lot can happen between now and October. Won't tempt fate in what I am thinking and I hope I am wrong.
2) Probably by accident and not planning, the Khan guy proved to be a Haggard plant, one who profits from illegals, one who believes in Sharia, one with big ties to Foundation money. One who attempted to erase his website yesterday.
3) Polls. Oh how I do not trust them post 2012. Nevah evah. The polls are, this week, in the bed with STD Tongue Hallerass. Of course. Of course!!! They also, from the wee bit I understand, frequently over poll Dims, and are using voting data from 2012. And, bias, much?
4) There is a lot going on behind the curtain that the polls, the Khan flap, and various other "interventions" are masking. Wagging the dog much? The $400 million to Iran, which the WH says, nope, not for hostages (right), just coincidence a plane full of money did this. It is the plane's fault!!! A bus in Paris was firebombed by isis. Clinton Cash movie on youtube. Hilz health. Hilz pitiful crowds. N. Korea firing missile at Japan, etc.
5) Their (MSM and DNC) greatest wish is that we feel defeatist and oh noes. They can bite moi. xoxo
However:
1) It is still early. Long month ahead of screeching and wailing and ashes on head. Unfortunately a lot can happen between now and October. Won't tempt fate in what I am thinking and I hope I am wrong.
2) Probably by accident and not planning, the Khan guy proved to be a Haggard plant, one who profits from illegals, one who believes in Sharia, one with big ties to Foundation money. One who attempted to erase his website yesterday.
3) Polls. Oh how I do not trust them post 2012. Nevah evah. The polls are, this week, in the bed with STD Tongue Hallerass. Of course. Of course!!! They also, from the wee bit I understand, frequently over poll Dims, and are using voting data from 2012. And, bias, much?
4) There is a lot going on behind the curtain that the polls, the Khan flap, and various other "interventions" are masking. Wagging the dog much? The $400 million to Iran, which the WH says, nope, not for hostages (right), just coincidence a plane full of money did this. It is the plane's fault!!! A bus in Paris was firebombed by isis. Clinton Cash movie on youtube. Hilz health. Hilz pitiful crowds. N. Korea firing missile at Japan, etc.
5) Their (MSM and DNC) greatest wish is that we feel defeatist and oh noes. They can bite moi. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 03, 2016 06:12 PM (9A4UU)
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His response to everything should also include Day #____since Hillary had a press conference.
Good grief, too, people had President Reagan defeated and done. I am not buying the defeatest crap. I am also not an obamabot who thinks Mr. Trump is perfect. He needs to be thick skinned and ignore the gnat droppings.
Good grief, too, people had President Reagan defeated and done. I am not buying the defeatest crap. I am also not an obamabot who thinks Mr. Trump is perfect. He needs to be thick skinned and ignore the gnat droppings.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 03, 2016 06:18 PM (9A4UU)
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Trump acts out when bored because he is a narcissist. They have to have constant chaos. Hillary is also a narcissist and a codependant ( and hopefully co -defendant someday).
It's the nature of the beast in both cases. Sadly.
But personality disordered people react differently to outside stressors than they do to their own manufactured chaos. Hillary shuts down and basically ignores the issues. Trump focuses on fixing things.
That's the reality.
It's the nature of the beast in both cases. Sadly.
But personality disordered people react differently to outside stressors than they do to their own manufactured chaos. Hillary shuts down and basically ignores the issues. Trump focuses on fixing things.
That's the reality.
Posted by: Petrichor at August 03, 2016 08:52 PM (woiX0)
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1)Judge rules against Trump in Trump U case
2)Trump says "What do you expect, he's a Mexican" or something close
3)McConnell says "You can't say that! You are going to cost us the illegal alien...uh...Latino vote!"
4)Someone reveals that judge has done work for La Raza
Trump shoots from the hip but he is right more often than he is wrong and doesn't have the time or the crayons to explain it.
2)Trump says "What do you expect, he's a Mexican" or something close
3)McConnell says "You can't say that! You are going to cost us the illegal alien...uh...Latino vote!"
4)Someone reveals that judge has done work for La Raza
Trump shoots from the hip but he is right more often than he is wrong and doesn't have the time or the crayons to explain it.
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