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Project Veritas Undercover Video Shows DNC Delegate Explaining That Yes, Hillary Wants to Ban All Guns, But Can't Say Anything So "Extreme" Publicly

In this video, he explains to the media what they already know and already believe.

Posted by: Ace at 02:02 PM




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1 The NYT's moderate editorial board will surely cover this.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 26, 2016 02:04 PM (KUaJL)

2 This is my shocked face

Posted by: FCF at July 26, 2016 02:04 PM (kejii)

3 Maybe that explains the pic of DWS on Drudge yesterday. Even she can't believe how deep the shits getting.

Posted by: Bruce at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (8ikIW)

4 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dciA+)

5
How does Hillary intend to accomplish this goal?

Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (hQUve)

6 Let's start with her security detail.

Posted by: HH at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (DrCtv)

7 So they're telling you that their official act in office will be violating the constitution And their oath of office.

Sort of, in a planned way.

Sounds like consipiracy to commit treason IMO.

Posted by: TheTruth at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (Av8i6)

8
The smarmy self-assuredness and assumed superiority of bints like this are going to lead to consequences that their pointy little heads won't be able to grasp.

Comes the revolution...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (BK3ZS)

9 How does Hillary intend to accomplish this goal?
Posted by: Findley

Wit and charm

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (ngn8T)

10 But of course we all knew this. THAT is why it is hard to be for ANY gun control, because we know what they really want, and if we give them an inch they will take a mile and all out guns.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (zp+j1)

11 Communists Unity Not Totalitarianism Suckers.

C.U.N.T.S.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (DurKO)

12 I am pretty sure everyone already knows that. Except she doesn't want them ALL banned. Politicians, their guards cronies, and cops would keep theirs.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (mpXpK)

13 People surprised by this- exactly no one.

Are there really dems who do not think that all dems in power want to do all the dem sacred cows (Gun control, unlimited abortion, restriction of free speech?)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:07 PM (3ZoRf)

14 4 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dciA+)


You can see better now? That's great!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 26, 2016 02:07 PM (0mRoj)

15 But Trump doesn't use his salad fork!

It will totally be worth it to see Hillary win and our guns taken, because maybe next time you'll nominate a true gentlemen.

Only then can the tyranny stop.

Posted by: NeverTrump at July 26, 2016 02:07 PM (Jzg4b)

16 Everyone knows this. Gun-grabbers know it, gun-owners know it.

Is there really anyone in the middle who doesn't think that's the goal?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 02:07 PM (mBYZv)

17 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Posted by: ace




How are the eyes coming along?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:07 PM (dLr9j)

18 I bet on before 65 posts.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (c8f61)

19
Just heard a Glenn Beck ad on radio. His death spiral beyond complete irrelevance continues apace.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (BK3ZS)

20 #5 I don't think HRC is stupid enough to think she actually COULD accomplish it, its just one of those things on her "wish list".

Starting with Al Gore's shellacking, the Dems largely know that gun control is a losing issue for them. They push it hard in the coastal liberal holdouts that still support it (EG, NY, CA), but its basically lip service only everywhere else. Dems haven't been able to pass a national gun control package in years; the closest they've gotten has been a bunch of unilateral executive actions by Obama on same,

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (ji45d)

21 12 I am pretty sure everyone already knows that. Except she doesn't want them ALL banned. Politicians, their guards cronies, and cops would keep theirs.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 02:06 PM (mpXpK)

No, not 'cops' but rather the NKV... Nationalized Police force that would obviously set up on her coron- I mean election.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (3ZoRf)

22 I am sure the Dems do not want to ban all guns. I mean any more than Planned Parenthood sells baby parts!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (zp+j1)

23 And after this mass-stabbing attack in Japan, she will also ban all knives.

Posted by: zombie at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (jBuUi)

24 Pieces of shit- all of them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (BC5E+)

25 Every gun owner in America already knows she wants to ban guns, why hide it?

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (L2wIJ)

26 5
How does Hillary intend to accomplish this goal?
Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (hQUve)

There are lots of proposals out there: ban ammo, regulate certain parts out of existence, I'm sure there are other means. They know law can't do it but much can be accomplished with regulation.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

27 Everyone knows this. Gun-grabbers know it, gun-owners know it.

Is there really anyone in the middle who doesn't think that's the goal?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles



#NeverTrumpers

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (dLr9j)

28 When you think of Hilary and her supporters -- think Sharp Hoes.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (ngn8T)

29 Will she ban Tigerlady claws?

https://www.tigerlady.com/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (IqV8l)

30 I really do think guns are the sleeper issue this election that awakens the conservative majority.

Obama got two elections where guns weren't really brought up.

It seems even a New Yorker like Trump understands, in his acceptance speech he bragged about the NRA endorsing him.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (Jzg4b)

31 Sometimes tragedies can be blessings in disguise. That canoe trip for example. The one where I lost all of my weapons and my ammo, who would have thought that I'd ever say that I'm actually glad that it happened?

Now I don't have to worry about them coming for my guns.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (4ng05)

32 Will the internet free speech be completely banned before guns or guns first.

These are the tough decisions C.U.N.T.S. are faced with now.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (ALaia)

33 Anyone surprised by this revelation, raise your hand.

Anyone surprised that someone at the Democrat convention was stupid enough to say this to a stranger, raise both hands.

Anyone surprised that someone was stupid enough to say this, on camera, to Project Veritas -- well, you can just smile real big, like I am.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (iIzG7)

34 >>i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

You sound surprised.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (/tuJf)

35 4 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dciA+)



Wait. Back up. I've been absent for a while.

For your eyes? What kind of therapy do they do?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - In Florida at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (gW5Vg)

36 Hillary and Obama: "Don't be silly, wing-nuts, we don't want to take your guns, we'd just like to pursue what Australia did..."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (NOIQH)

37 >>>How are the eyes coming along?

good but now that i'm mostly recovered i've set a new bar: near-20/20 clarity. I'm not there yet. frustrating.

but, in the scheme of things, it's pretty good.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (dciA+)

38 Kind of like Elena Kagan and gay marriage.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (OD2ni)

39 Connected to the last NYT thread, it is *kind of* plausible that the left are just so staggeringly egotistical and ignorant that they believe they are centrists or the only acceptable ideology... but it is kind of simpler to look at it from the POV that they lie about everything.

Not to say that everything is a lie, but that there's nothing they won't lie about for advantage.

I mean, when a group of people spend 80 years ratcheting their policies in a direction through incremental steps, and always say their work is not done, it's pretty easy to believe they intent to go further in that direction than what they're asking for *now*.

P.S. I've had this conversation with liberals who, through foolishness, assumed I was on "their side" because I wasn't fighting with them at the moment.

It may not be all, but many liberals want a much more totalitarian society than they would have you believe.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (wB8Tg)

40 And claims that this video was "doctored" in 3. . 2. . 1. .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (X6fMO)

41 >> There are lots of proposals out there: ban ammo, regulate
>> certain parts out of existence, I'm sure there are other
>> means

Of course there are.

Posted by: Chief Justice Its-a-Tax at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (o+SC1)

42 #23, You snark, but "knife control" is a big issue in (post gun control) Britain.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (ji45d)

43 the cool thing about not needing glasses is that I can do something I haven't done since high school: Buy sunglasses.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (dciA+)

44 There are lots of proposals out there: ban ammo, regulate certain parts out of existence, I'm sure there are other means. They know law can't do it but much can be accomplished with regulation.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

There is always the supreme court. They can literally do anything and their power is unlimited.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (3ZoRf)

45 If the Democrats truly voiced their principles, no one would vote for them.

Posted by: BacktoGA at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (QUl0c)

46 Wait. Back up. I've been absent for a while.

For your eyes? What kind of therapy do they do?
Posted by: BCochran1981




Watch pr0n.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (DUqif)

47
Starting with Al Gore's shellacking, the Dems largely know that gun control is a losing issue for them. They push it hard in the coastal liberal holdouts that still support it (EG, NY, CA), but its basically lip service only everywhere else. Dems haven't been able to pass a national gun control package in years; the closest they've gotten has been a bunch of unilateral executive actions by Obama on same,


Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (ji45d)


I doubt even she thinks she can get it through Congress. But with executive actions and the Courts, she won't need them.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (W2YA6)

48 You can throw enough restrictions where gun ownership is basically something only for the elite.

Look at something like NYC, gun ownership basically involves hiring a lawyer and a yearly tax.

I still don't know how they has passed the Supreme Court.

Even with Roberts, the Court WAS actually pretty good on gun issues.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (Jzg4b)

49 Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (DUqif)

That's why he needed glasses in th first place

Posted by: @votermom at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (7lVbc)

50 Hillary would do that thing in your mouth, even if she said she wouldn't.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (KdXXc)

51 This is my rifle, this is my gun.

Hillary wants to ban all penises!

Posted by: wooga at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (zH34X)

52 the cool thing about not needing glasses is that I can do something I haven't done since high school:




Fap without worrying about needing glasses.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (dLr9j)

53 Wait until Obama/Clinton release the Mulsim hordes from the prisons and turn them into their private army.

Happy Days are around the corner.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (j72Tr)

54 >>I don't think HRC is stupid enough to think she actually COULD accomplish it, its just one of those things on her "wish list".


Sorry, these people got Obamacare, as they had been striving for for*decades*. They will get gun confiscation if they have a chance.
They achieve so much for two reason:

A. They never give up, they only concede defeat on a given method, regroup, and go at it from another angle.

B. They are perfectly happy to do this incrementally, the old boiling a frog in water routine.


Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (NOIQH)

55
For your eyes? What kind of therapy do they do?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - In Florida at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (gW5Vg)


Combined eyes and shoulder. They play porno just out range from where he can focus.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (LUG6K)

56 cold dead hands, C.U.N.T.S, cold dead hands.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (BC5E+)

57 the cool thing about not needing glasses is that I can do something I haven't done since high school: Buy sunglasses.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (dciA+)

And then do the second thing you have not done since High School>>>>> LOSE those same sunglasses!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (zp+j1)

58 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Korean massage where they walk on your back and then do the happy nice thing?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (mgbwf)

59 Watch pr0n.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (DUqif)


I fully endorse this form of therapy.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - In Florida at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (gW5Vg)

60 19


Just heard a Glenn Beck ad on radio. His death spiral beyond complete irrelevance continues apace.



Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (BK3ZS)
I use to really enjoy Beck. I still think he's one of the better researchers around. But yeah, he seems to have lost it. Anything special today?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (cPMmb)

61 If the Democrats truly voiced their principles, no one would vote for them.

If the Democrats truly voiced their principles, we'd already be in the camps, and the boxcars would be deadheading back for their next roundup.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (iIzG7)

62 Don't you want to make Grabby happy? Poor Grabby Giffords iz having a sad. Let's make Grabby happy! Grab all guns!

Posted by: Make Grabby Happy at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (ucB75)

63
"Same thing. "
* * *




I wonder what's become of Mary Bayer, Alternate Delegate.




* * *
May God keep Snorky in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (pC96u)

64 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Korean massage where they walk on your back and then do the happy nice thing?



Lub & tug lound eye.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (dLr9j)

65 Hillary and Obama: "Don't be silly, wing-nuts, we don't want to take your guns, we'd just like to pursue what Australia did..."
Posted by: Lizzy

Connecticut, basically Idaho - right, turned in what 5% of their guns ...

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (ngn8T)

66 Starting with Al Gore's shellacking, the Dems largely know that gun control is a losing issue for them. They push it hard in the coastal liberal holdouts that still support it (EG, NY, CA), but its basically lip service only everywhere else. Dems haven't been able to pass a national gun control package in years; the closest they've gotten has been a bunch of unilateral executive actions by Obama on same,


Posted by: looking closely






Gun control is this unicorn that liberals will forever chase, despite how badly voters react.

It's a bit like our side with abortion. It never goes well.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (Jzg4b)

67 #5 How? You can just look at what President Obama did or tried to do. Off the top of my head:

a. Heavily regulate indoor gun ranges to the point where many folded. Card played here is "lead pollution" via EPA. Increasing cost and expense of operation is the goal.

b. Destroy military ammo spent cases to reduce supply of cheap ammo. Obama had to reverse this one pretty quickly when law enforcement complained about the cost increases.

c. Destroy US milsurp guns instead of allowing them into domestic surplus market. (Which is why the CMP doesn't have a big stock of 1911s for sale).

None of these things "ban" guns, but they do make owning/using them harder/more expensive. Again, its just incrementalism.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (ji45d)

68 So what kind of jail time is he looking at for making this video?

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (7HtZB)

69 >> Even with Roberts, the Court WAS actually pretty good on
>> gun issues.

When President Wipes-With-A-Cloth gets to name replacements for Scalia, Thomas (and of course Ginsburg) everything goes out the window.

Stare Decisis will become Scary Bullshit.

Posted by: JEM at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (o+SC1)

70 Yeah, everybody knows it, everyone understands it. They want to take away all guns from people. They want to disarm the public and federalize the police. Central control = no sheriffs or cops who are armed and organized resistance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (39g3+)

71 >>the cool thing about not needing glasses is that I can do something I haven't done since high school: Buy sunglasses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uW47jWLMiY

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 02:15 PM (/tuJf)

72 Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit! Stealth edit!

Posted by: The Left at July 26, 2016 02:15 PM (R+30W)

73 Hillary was very open earlier in the primaries in her admiration for the Australian scheme. Since most Americans don't realize that the Australian scheme involves actual *cough gun confiscation under duress cough*, you would think that Trump and the Republicans would have been all over that, bringing it up nonstop.

Nope. Crickets.

Never failing to fail.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (noWW6)

74 >> Hillary and Obama: "Don't be silly, wing-nuts, we don't
>> want to take your guns, we'd just like to pursue what
>> Australia did..."

Australia's immigration policy, sure. Australia's gun policy, no thanks.

Posted by: JEM at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (o+SC1)

75 31 Sometimes tragedies can be blessings in disguise. That canoe trip for
example. The one where I lost all of my weapons and my ammo, who would
have thought that I'd ever say that I'm actually glad that it happened?




Now I don't have to worry about them coming for my guns.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (4ng05)

Yeah, I lost mine in Lake Michigan during a fishing trip in 3 weeks.

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (L2wIJ)

76 But it is a state delegate. Get a quote from Hillary and you have something. And this shouldn't be shocking news to any of us morons here - despite the denials from the left.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (jxbfJ)

77 We need one of those commercials. You know the ones; where the attractive, serious articulate (man or woman - makes no difference) is walking around in the field of view explaining, in a calm, expert way, the dangers of little people having rights. The commercial ends with the person stopping and pausing as they become even more serious now as they ask us:

Rights. Isn't it time we gave them a second look?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (4ng05)

78 Does nuru massage qualify as physical therapy?

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (ZnIt3)

79 In fairness to HRC (I know, she doesn't deserve it) this is a delegate, not a member of her campaign.

Delegates are ignorant twatwaffles who project their ideals on a candidate.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (mgbwf)

80 Whenever Beck comes up I picture him with red swollen eyes and a spider crawling across his face.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (qUNWi)

81 I can do something I haven't done since high school: Buy sunglasses.

I recommend the Roddy Piper Ray-Bans. Give an extra set to your leftist friends, too, so they can see Hillary and the rest of the Dems for what they really are.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (iIzG7)

82 Hillary was very open earlier in the primaries in her admiration for the Australian scheme. Since most Americans don't realize that the Australian scheme involves actual *cough gun confiscation under duress cough*



TEXIT or war.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (dLr9j)

83 I don't think the gang bangers are going to give up their guns easily.


Not sure why I think that.

Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (hQUve)

84 Didn't Ruth Bader Ginsberg recently say she was was just waiting for the opportunity to overturn Heller?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (NOIQH)

85
Just heard a Glenn Beck ad on radio. His death spiral beyond complete irrelevance continues apace.



Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (BK3ZS)
I use to really enjoy Beck. I still think he's one of the better researchers around. But yeah, he seems to have lost it. Anything special today?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (cPMmb)

He's combined urging his listeners to buy gold & emergency food into one product. It's time to eat gold, people.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (7HtZB)

86 In before Toby!

Posted by: The Scorpion at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (rwI+c)

87 If hillary wins this will happen, via the supreme court. just like gay marriage. no matter what states do and who objects where. it will happen. and then it will be too late to complain.

Posted by: runner at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (c6/9Q)

88 #66, Well, I think demographics have shifted a bit on both gun control AND abortion. Americans, in general, are more pro-gun now than in living memory, I think. CCW is at an all time high, more Americans own guns, more Americans are involved in shooting sports, etc.

With respect to abortion, I think the pendulum has started to swing a bit the other way. No the USA isn't suddenly overwhelmingly pro-life, but in this "ultrasound" era, where fetuses are typically visualized in utero, I think there actually is a bit more support for increased restriction/regulation of abortion than there was, say, 20 years ago.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (ji45d)

89 >>>I recommend the Roddy Piper Ray-Bans. Give an extra set to your leftist friends, too, so they can see Hillary and the rest of the Dems for what they really are.
Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (iIzG7)

Throw in bubblegum and a shotgun for the complete kit.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (c8f61)

90 OT but sort of related - No mention of ISIS or terrorism on Day 1 of the Dem convention and they want to grab all guns; so bad guys who want to behead us = misunderstood refugees; Americans wanting to protect themselves = terrorists. Sounds about right?

Posted by: IC at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (a0IVu)

91 Yeah, I lost mine in Lake Michigan during a fishing trip in 3 weeks.
Posted by: Deathknyte at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM (L2wIJ)

Yes, it's heartbreaking. But you'll learn to adjust... in three weeks... after you lose them. Bright side. You have time to practice. And say goodbye.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (4ng05)

92
Rights. Isn't it time we gave them a second look?


The problem is too many people would agree. Liberty gets in the way of the left's scheme. "Progressivism" is hindered by rights and freedom. You cannot impose 'equality' if people are free to choose and act. And many, many people think that liberty is probably bad. I am not exaggerating. Ask your leftist buddies about liberty and why nobody talks about it any more. Ask a college student about freedom and rights.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (39g3+)

93 Buy sunglasses.
Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (dciA+)

We're gonna need a selfie, Joe Cool.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (wOKJp)

94 Central control = no sheriffs or cops who are armed and organized resistance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:14 PM (39g3+)


This has been a big burr in their saddles, local law enforcement have pushed back hard on a *lot* of policies.

I think the central planners thought that asset forfeiture and equipment programs would so thoroughly corrupt departments that they would become lackeys, but it didn't quite happen that way.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (wB8Tg)

95 >>Hillary was very open earlier in the primaries in her admiration for the
Australian scheme. Since most Americans don't realize that the
Australian scheme involves actual *cough gun confiscation under duress
cough*


And wasn't it done hastily right after one of the worst mass killings in their history? "Never let an opportunity go to waste" - now who lives by that motto?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (NOIQH)

96 Liberals have already lost most of the middle of our country. Electorally they've taken a fair degree of the coastal states who are guaranteed for them. States like NY and California already shit on the Second Amendment because they rely on Blue Cities to get elected. They don't care about the Second Amendment. Just free college, free abortion, free healthcare, high taxes and any other scraps they throw to them.

This only leaves them to care about places like Floriida, NC and to a lesser extent Virginia where they need to make sure the gun "rubes" don't come out en masse.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 26, 2016 02:19 PM (KdXXc)

97 Sunglasses... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYQlDRMhsPI

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 02:19 PM (syn4Y)

98 12
I am pretty sure everyone already knows that. Except she doesn't want
them ALL banned. Politicians, their guards cronies, and cops would keep
theirs.

Not so sure about the cops...

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 26, 2016 02:19 PM (zllbf)

99 In fairness to HRC (I know, she doesn't deserve it) this is a delegate, not a member of her campaign.

Delegates are ignorant twatwaffles who project their ideals on a candidate.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM




I was thinking the same thing. Just not in those exact words. My words were inadequate to the high standards set here by the Moron Horde, and therefore, was afraid to post them.

Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:19 PM (hQUve)

100 Which ones of you morons went drunk boating?


http://goo.gl/e0bUpZ

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 26, 2016 02:19 PM (iQIUe)

101 #78

I just googled "nuru massage". . .
That was a mistake.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:20 PM (ji45d)

102 This video ought to be worth five points in the polls for Trump; the Thug Moms tonight should be a bonanza!

//

Ace, I finally relented and went to physical therapy for my back, and the ultrasound and stretching exercises worked wonders.

Posted by: PJ at July 26, 2016 02:20 PM (cHuNI)

103 California has basically already done the whole "lead=toxic=ban"

The EPA could do this to all 50 states and a Hillary Supreme Court would back it.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:20 PM (Jzg4b)

104 I think the central planners thought that asset forfeiture and equipment programs would so thoroughly corrupt departments that they would become lackeys, but it didn't quite happen that way.
Posted by: Merovign

We appreciate the armored vehicle; now go home commissar.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (ngn8T)

105 Libertarian "Principled Libertarian" Gary Johnson Picked gun grabbing nanny state liberal Republican William Weld as his VP. Idiot!


So what choice do we have? It is Trump or a coming civil war over gun rights.

Posted by: rd at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (uQh+H)

106 Re: Sunglasses, Chief,

buy good ones. Polarized. They make a huge difference in making your eyes feel good as opposed to just blocking out the sun.

Maui Jims are the best but there are other good brands.

Also, counterintuitively, if you spend $150-250 you will lose them less often than if you spend $50 because you make sure you know where they are.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (mgbwf)

107 Between Thug Mamas tonight and Proud Illegal last night, its pretty clear the DNC isn't simply weak on law and order, but is opposed to it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (39g3+)

108 43 the cool thing about not needing glasses is that I can do something I haven't done since high school: Buy sunglasses.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (dciA+)



Ray-Bans. With the foam thing that attaches to each ear piece and goes behind your head. They're supper popular with the ladies.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - In Florida at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (gW5Vg)

109 California has basically already done the whole "lead=toxic=ban"

The EPA could do this to all 50 states and a Hillary Supreme Court would back it.
Posted by: TP South

Composite copper bullets are already on the shelves.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (ngn8T)

110 What could bullets be made of besides lead?

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (qUNWi)

111 I know if I was a little girl who was terrified of being snatched up and deported in the middle of the night, the first thing I'd do is appear in a national television ad running on all the major networks.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (s/EUv)

112
I just googled "nuru massage". . .
That was a mistake.



Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:20 PM (ji45d)

Funny, you must have clicked something wrong then.... usually it involves boobs and oil which is the exact opposite of a mistake

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 26, 2016 02:22 PM (t06LC)

113 29 Will she ban Tigerlady claws?

https://www.tigerlady.com/
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 02:09 PM (IqV8l)


Wow, that is clever.

Posted by: rickl at July 26, 2016 02:22 PM (zoehZ)

114
My words were inadequate to the high standards set here by the Moron Horde, and therefore, was afraid to post them.
Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:19 PM (hQUve)


That never stops me

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:22 PM (lKyWE)

115 "B. They are perfectly happy to do this incrementally, the old boiling a frog in water routine."

Also, the ratchet effect, where once the left have moved the policy or the law one small click closer to their desired end, they'll fight like hell to lock it in at that new point. No pasaran!

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 02:22 PM (noWW6)

116 According to Wikipedia (yeah, I know, I know...):

"Nuru massages have become legal in certain regions of the world including areas in Canada, Europe and Pahrump, Nevada."

Who gets credit for that -- Harry Reid, or Art Bell?

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:22 PM (iIzG7)

117 " So they're telling you that their official act in office will be violating the constitution And their oath of office.

Sort of, in a planned way.

Sounds like consipiracy to commit treason IMO."

In a nutshell, yes.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 26, 2016 02:22 PM (gUoN4)

118 Well, we all know that Hillary won't let a bothersome little obstacle known as The Law stand in her way.

Posted by: Fritz at July 26, 2016 02:23 PM (WYh6/)

119 My 90.00 polarized Oakley knockoffs from Gander Mountain have suited me fine for years of hiking all over the country.

Don't pay an extra 100.00 for the Oakley name.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 26, 2016 02:23 PM (s/EUv)

120
In fairness to HRC (I know, she doesn't deserve it) this is a delegate, not a member of her campaign.



Delegates are ignorant twatwaffles who project their ideals on a candidate.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:16 PM>>>

The Dems say we are all members in good standing of the KKK. So I'm not giving Hillary any slack.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 26, 2016 02:23 PM (aVYsC)

121 Hillary continues to act like she's running to be governor of a Deep Blue state. So positions on things like BLM and gun control will pile up votes in states like MA and MD she was going to win anyway, but will hurt her elsewhere.

There are something like seven anti-gun states. e.g., the Massachusetts AG just issued a directive expanding that state's ban on so-called assault weapons.

But the trend is the other way. e.g. over 40 states now have "shall issue" concealed carry statutes.

There is a high correlation between anti-gun states having a high rate of serious crime, and pro-gun states having a lower rate. Even more so if just look at their major cities.

Pro-gun states have gun homicide rates similar to Canada and Luxembourg. With the exception of NYC, anti-gun cities have homicide rates like Jamaica and Venezuela.


Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2016 02:23 PM (r1fLd)

122 buy good ones. Polarized. They make a huge difference in making your eyes feel good as opposed to just blocking out the sun.

Maui Jims are the best but there are other good brands.

Also, counterintuitively, if you spend $150-250 you will lose them less often than if you spend $50 because you make sure you know where they are.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:21 PM (mgbwf)

I have a pair of Maui Jims that I bought in '99. Best pair of sunglasses I have ever owned. It is amazing how much eye strain they reduce, you do not even notice it until you put them on.

They are a bit heavier than I might like, but they have held up to pretty heavy use.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:23 PM (3ZoRf)

123 "What could bullets be made of besides lead?"

Depleted uranium.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:24 PM (iIzG7)

124 Cheap Sunglasses?

https://youtu.be/cHkaIHRK35g

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:24 PM (39g3+)

125 >>>Buy sunglasses.

Get two pairs!!
https://goo.gl/y3aiTb

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 26, 2016 02:24 PM (c8f61)

126 I'm sure "They Live" was supposed to be about our side, though.
_________________________________________

81
I can do something I haven't done since high school: Buy sunglasses.

I
recommend the Roddy Piper Ray-Bans. Give an extra set to your leftist
friends, too, so they can see Hillary and the rest of the Dems for what
they really are.


Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (iIzG7)

Posted by: Pyrocles at July 26, 2016 02:24 PM (MYMcU)

127 What could bullets be made of besides lead?
Posted by: eleven


There's all sorts of other alloys already available, but the main point is, if Liberals can basically ban 99% of ammo out there now, that's a huge notch on their belt.

Mark my words, its coming.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:24 PM (Jzg4b)

128
It will totally be worth it to see Hillary win and our guns taken, because maybe next time you'll nominate a true gentlemen

----

Not only a gentleman, but a Constitutionalist! We'll restore the original intent of The Founders as regarding the 2A at same time as we eliminate the income tax! See? Your guns are safe!

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 26, 2016 02:24 PM (wmxwV)

129 People who think banning and confiscation of all guns could never happen here better think again. Already a number of cities and States effectively already do that.


And we are never more than one ruling by the corrupt Supreme Court away from an absolute communist dictatorship in this country.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 02:25 PM (mpXpK)

130 The EPA could do this to all 50 states and a Hillary Supreme Court would back it.

Posted by: TP South



Composite copper bullets are already on the shelves.
==

As are steel and bismuth shot pellets.

The idea wouldn't be to entirely eliminate ammunition, just to significantly drive up its costs and down its availability. (IE think .22s are hard to get NOW? Wait until they have to be made of out sintered copper).

I think like Obama's ban on military ammo case recycling, this would run into signficant push back from State and local police, who wouldn't want to pay dramatically increased costs for ammo.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:25 PM (ji45d)

131 "He's combined urging his listeners to buy gold emergency food into one product. It's time to eat gold, people."

Oh, it's back to the whole "eating" stuff now. After the big Beck plan of mass fasting to ensure God's divine favor upon the Cruz campaign didn't work out quite as planned.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 02:25 PM (noWW6)

132 88...No the USA isn't suddenly overwhelmingly pro-life, but in this "ultrasound" era, where fetuses are typically visualized in utero, I think there actually is a bit more support for increased restriction/regulation of abortion than there was, say, 20 years ago.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (ji45d)

This video makes me so happy: this couple tried for 17 years to have a child and finally succeeded.
http://tinyurl.com/ze9y58s

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at July 26, 2016 02:26 PM (oQQwD)

133 I'm sure "They Live" was supposed to be about our side, though.

Kinda. More an elites vs normal people thing. Corporations yes, but rich people, politicians, etc. Vs the working man.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:26 PM (39g3+)

134 You have to know, but can guess others don't think that leftists are coming for your weapons, they tell you as much every shooting.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 02:26 PM (bksJQ)

135 >>Maui Jims are the best but there are other good brands.

Try Costas. I spend a lot of time on the water and they have the best polarized lenses I've ever worn.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 02:26 PM (/tuJf)

136
I thought lead birdshot was already illegal for water fowl. I haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:26 PM (hQUve)

137 I've been using $1 sunglasses, the same ones, for like 8 years.

Mind you my favorites are a super-lightweight set of Ralph Lauren (I know, right?) glasses that cost $120 in Y2K dollars, but I scratched a lens and need to have them fixed professionally (the repair kit was just lame, but it was reversible).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 02:27 PM (wB8Tg)

138 #129
Banning, yes. Confiscation, no.

There are just way too many guns in private hands, many of effectively have no real paper trail, for the Federal gov't to ever seize all of them. Is every American going to turn in their guns? Hell no. Didn't happen in Australia, and there are a *LOT* more guns here.



Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:27 PM (ji45d)

139 Jesus the leftists at the DNC are downright scary.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:27 PM (zp+j1)

140 They won't come for guns door to door, but I can easily think of a handful of strategies a compliant Supreme Court could green light to where the gun industry and ownership will be like the coal industry is today.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:27 PM (Jzg4b)

141 I buy my polarized sunglasses up on the Pennsatuckey turnpike for about $15.00 Every summer they bring in these carriers outside of the rest stops that look like voting booths.

They're excellent and cheap. Especially cheap. I like cheap.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 02:28 PM (ZnIt3)

142 What could bullets be made of besides lead?


Bizmuth. Zinc. Copper. Stainless steel for shotguns.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:28 PM (2hlqN)

143 12 I am pretty sure everyone already knows that. Except she doesn't want them ALL banned. Politicians, their guards cronies, and cops would keep theirs.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

Don't forget the re-education camp guards.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 26, 2016 02:28 PM (kfcYC)

144 The military is already doing away with lead bullets to satisfy the econazis. Never mind that these new rounds are much more expensive and probably not worth a shit.


And doing away with lead for bullets has already happened. Obama shut down the last lead smelter in the US several years ago as part of his under the table gun confiscation.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (mpXpK)

145 #136
Its illegal to hunt migratory waterfowl with lead shot.

But lead shot is still readily available and widely used for breaking clays, and for other hunting.


Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (ji45d)

146 Especially cheap. I like cheap.
Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 02:28 PM (ZnIt3)


Ever drink the "Military Brand" booze they sell in all the PXs and Exchanges?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (zp+j1)

147 142 What could bullets be made of besides lead?


Bizmuth. Zinc. Copper. Stainless steel for shotguns.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:28 PM (2hlqN)



*Kirk putting coal, sulphur and diamonds into bamboo tube as Gorn slithers into view*

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (27m1/)

148 I thought lead birdshot was already illegal for water fowl. I haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Findley



It is in many areas, but bird shot and actual bullets for a pistol/rifle are two very different things.

Also, compare the price of non-lead birdshot to lead shot. It's like a 400% increase in price.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (Jzg4b)

149
California is now ready to pass a law that requires background checks for peoplethat make their own home made guns.

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (lKyWE)

150 What could bullets be made of besides lead?
Posted by: eleven


There's all sorts of other alloys already available, but the main point is, if Liberals can basically ban 99% of ammo out there now, that's a huge notch on their belt.

Mark my words, its coming.
Posted by: TP South

Some of the alternatives are down right nasty - composite clad ceramics that shatter in the body at very high velocities and with tight BCs shred soft armor. You could probably make them in a 3D printer.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (ngn8T)

151 the main thing to keep in mind with sunglasses is that you're going to break and/or lose them soon, so its not worth spending a fortune on them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:30 PM (39g3+)

152 87 If hillary wins this will happen, via the supreme court. just like gay marriage. no matter what states do and who objects where. it will happen. and then it will be too late to complain.
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2016 02:17 PM (c6/9Q)


-----------


If this happens, I actually think there will be massive non-compliance. It also might mean that this is when the shooting starts.

Posted by: Soona at July 26, 2016 02:30 PM (Fmupd)

153 You can have all the guns you want, but you'll have to pay a $10,000 tax on them. And another $10,000 for the yearly license. And then there's the liability insurance you have to pay, and....

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 02:30 PM (7HtZB)

154 "Common-sense gun control" can include silly ineffective things that drive up cost with no real benefit. Like microstamping bullets and requiring so-called smart gun James Bondish technology.

California is leading this.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2016 02:31 PM (r1fLd)

155 35 4 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dciA+)


Wait. Back up. I've been absent for a while.

For your eyes? What kind of therapy do they do?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - In Florida

Ace's eye-balls did 50 push-ups on a picture of Kate Upton.

Then his other balls did, too for good measure.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 26, 2016 02:31 PM (kfcYC)

156 The military is already doing away with lead bullets to satisfy the econazis.

They're doing this crap because they have been ordered to by their Commander in Chief and given specific instructions by their various hard left department secretaries.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)

157 I bought 5,000$ Givenche sunglasses that I threw away because they bored me.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 02:31 PM (qUNWi)

158 "Don't forget the re-education camp guards."

Oh please. This again? How many times do I have to explain it? They're not "guards". They're _life coaches_.

Except with, you know, truncheons.

Posted by: Happy Fun Camp Activities Director at July 26, 2016 02:32 PM (noWW6)

159 153 You can have all the guns you want, but you'll have to pay a $10,000 tax on them. And another $10,000 for the yearly license. And then there's the liability insurance you have to pay, and....
Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 02:30 PM (7HtZB)


Watch more people buy guns illegally than ever before. Not just criminals but average citizens.

Ironically, they might even be cheaper to obtain than legally. In NYC the licensing for a pistol is over $400. Just for the license.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 26, 2016 02:32 PM (27m1/)

160 142
What could bullets be made of besides lead?




Bizmuth. Zinc. Copper. Stainless steel for shotguns.
===
Not sure about zinc on its own, but as part of an alloy, sure. Depleted uranium (for military AP rounds). Mild steel can work for rounds (its commonly used for military rifle round cores now).

Silver (for Lone ranger fans, and for killing werewolves). . .this one isn't really all that practical.

Wood (used for training bullets).

Pretty much any heavy metal COULD be used to make bullets, though lead has advantages of high density, low cost, low melting temperature, and easy castability that makes it ideal.


Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:32 PM (ji45d)

161
I would think that the current 'lead' solder -- which can't legally contain lead, but has a low melting point -- would be excellent for making bullets.

Kinda pricey I suppose.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 02:32 PM (ZnIt3)

162 You can have all the guns you want, but you'll have to pay a $10,000 tax on them. And another $10,000 for the yearly license. And then there's the liability insurance you have to pay, and....
Posted by: josephistan



yep, the SC has basically said the feds have an unlimited power to tax (except abortion of course)

Also, all of these people that say they simply won't comply with a ban, I agree, but if you use a gun to protect yourself, you're fu#ked legally.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:32 PM (Jzg4b)

163
California is now ready to pass a law that requires background checks for peoplethat make their own home made guns.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:29 PM (lKyWE)

I forgot to add that the law will also require you to get a registration number from the state to be etched into the firearm

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (lKyWE)

164 To summarize:


crossbow v. longbow

maryanne v. ginger

.45 acp v. 9 mm

cheap sunglasses v. good sunglasses

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (mgbwf)

165
If this happens, I actually think there will be massive non-compliance. It also might mean that this is when the shooting starts.


Yeah already happening even in some pretty deep blue states. A law is passed: hand in your guns. People go "eat me" and keep them. Police shrug and go about their business like the law was never passed.

If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody obeys.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (39g3+)

166 "Stainless steel for shotguns."

There's no lead in an X12 Taser shotgun round, and you can have boatloads of fun with that. I'm looking forward to hitting my first hippie with one of those, from about six feet.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (iIzG7)

167 157 I bought 5,000$ Givenche sunglasses that I threw away because they bored me.
Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 02:31 PM (qUNWi)

MooMoo, is that you?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (3ZoRf)

168 Plastic bullets?

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (syn4Y)

169 #159

Like marijuana, illegal guns TYPICALLY are cheaper to obtain compared to legal ones. Legal ones have all this licensing, paperwork, taxes, etc.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (ji45d)

170 Connecticut, basically Idaho - right, turned in what 5% of their guns ...


TURN THEM IN?
No, it was just an "assault weapon" registration.

They did not even register them!

And the more radical are daring the stateAG to come looking for them.

Posted by: rd at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (uQh+H)

171 Right from the Obama playbook.

Lie.

But use nice language. Common sense. Comprehensive.

You can keep your doctor.

What reasonable folks could agree to. Folks.

Calm, reserved, the delivery from Mr Nice Guy.

This is how they win.

I hate living in fucking Colorado. The Haggard Queen is ten points out from Trump, she'll help sweep Bennett in, all I hear is pro-choice, right to die, anti frack, recall those fucking gun nuts, recall those fucking school board members. It's like an echo chamber.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (U6f54)

172
It might behoove people to buy machine tools like a lathe and drill press, and then you can "roll your own" as it were.

The Soviets were cranking out cheap, crude PPsH 41's by the bushel even in the teeth of the German invasion, many in homes and small cottage shops.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (27m1/)

173 164
To summarize:





crossbow v. longbow



maryanne v. ginger



.45 acp v. 9 mm



cheap sunglasses v. good sunglasses

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (mgbwf)

Ginger wears the good sunglasses, Maryanne the cheap sunglasses.

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 02:35 PM (syn4Y)

174 If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to
actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody
obeys.
==
Unfortunately, not true.

Its still a "law" when someone in the gov't decides they want to "get" you for some reason, catches you, and charges you with violating it.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:35 PM (ji45d)

175 If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody obeys.



Until the cops pop you for something minor like a broken tail light and your FOID card pops up.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:35 PM (dLr9j)

176 Not sure about zinc on its own, but as part of an alloy, sure. Depleted uranium (for military AP rounds). Mild steel can work for rounds (its commonly used for military rifle round cores now).

Silver (for Lone ranger fans, and for killing werewolves). . .this one isn't really all that practical.

Wood (used for training bullets).

Pretty much any heavy metal COULD be used to make bullets, though lead has advantages of high density, low cost, low melting temperature, and easy castability that makes it ideal.


Posted by: looking closely



It's going to completely mess up the trajectory of the bullet.

Throwing small birdshot out of a shotgun is much different than actual bullets coming out of a rifled barrel.

Prices will SKYROCKET, but it can be done. It will be a mess if they can ban lead.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:35 PM (Jzg4b)

177 "You can have all the guns you want, but you'll have to pay a $10,000 tax
on them. And another $10,000 for the yearly license. And then there's
the liability insurance you have to pay, and...."

I've related this before: I was calling around to quote out an "umbrella" liability insurance policy, and an agent said, "Oh, yes, we'd be happy to do that for you. Just a few quick questions first, okay?"

Among the "quick question" was this: "Do you have guns in your house?"

Answer: yes. (I was at this point in the process just an anonymous caller.)

Response: "I'm sorry, we won't issue the policy in that circumstance."

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 02:35 PM (noWW6)

178 I forgot to add that the law will also require you to get a registration number from the state to be etched into the firearm

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (lKyWE)


What was kind of amazing is that they *didn't* have that before, homemade guns could be unserialized legally (as of now still can be).

They will no doubt try to ban them entirely. Unfortunately, the voter situation in CA is catastrophic, with the mass inrush of illegal immigrants and the mass outrush of business owners and retirees.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 02:36 PM (wB8Tg)

179 If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody obeys.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (39g3+)

Si senor. This is true. Now, help me make this paper for welfare benefits like Obama said I could have.

Posted by: Juan from Juarez at July 26, 2016 02:36 PM (t06LC)

180 And the more radical are daring the stateAG to come looking for them.





That will get your name on a list.

Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:36 PM (hQUve)

181 How many hundreds of thousands of dollars was needed to get Hillary to look that young? Why couldn't that have been spent to help Africans or battered women? I guess Hillary cares more about her ephemeral career than eternal issues like Africans and battered women. F*ck you, Hillary.

Posted by: Yuimetal at July 26, 2016 02:36 PM (ZIv+2)

182 Its still a "law" when someone in the gov't decides they want to "get" you for some reason, catches you, and charges you with violating it.



Same as the way a warrant works. Po po rarely go looking for someone. But when a warrant comes back on someone.......

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:36 PM (dLr9j)

183 What could bullets be made of besides lead?

Bizmuth. Zinc. Copper. Stainless steel for shotguns.>>>

How about Polonium? It's right next to Lead and Bismuth on the table.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 26, 2016 02:37 PM (aVYsC)

184 Also, all of these people that say they simply won't comply with a ban, I agree, but if you use a gun to protect yourself, you're fu#ked legally.
Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:32 PM (Jzg4b)


------------------


And I'm thinking this is where some states start telling the fed to fuck off.

Posted by: Soona at July 26, 2016 02:37 PM (Fmupd)

185 That will get your name on a list.
Posted by: Findley

Yes, I believe DAR maintains one for the folks at a bridge in mass.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:37 PM (ngn8T)

186 #172
Yeah, you can build sten, "liberator" "12 winds shotgun" or other cheapo improvised firearms at home. These things are 'possible'. But probably no real "need" to do that here, with so many guns floating around.


Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:37 PM (ji45d)

187 Moo Moo is my pool man. That's why he's a millionaire.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 02:37 PM (qUNWi)

188 I hate living in fucking Colorado. The Haggard Queen is ten points out from Trump, she'll help sweep Bennett in, all I hear is pro-choice, right to die, anti frack, recall those fucking gun nuts, recall those fucking school board members. It's like an echo chamber.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (U6f54)

Move. There is always Texas.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 26, 2016 02:38 PM (t06LC)

189 The distinction isn't between and good. You just want good as you can get, cheap as you can get. Don't pay a lot for something that breakable and basically disposable, but don't get them so cheap all they do is fry your eyes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:38 PM (39g3+)

190
You can have all the guns you want, but you'll have to pay a $10,000 tax on them. And another $10,000 for the yearly license. And then there's the liability insurance you have to pay, and...."

At what point do you so over burden a right as to make it not a right anymore?

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:38 PM (lKyWE)

191 If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody obeys.



Until the cops pop you for something minor like a broken tail light and your FOID card pops up.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT



Let me give you an example of how they "win".

I travel to California and I don't carry my pistol because the laws are so bad.

Someone attempted to break into my rented house and I had to fend for myself with a knife. Fortunately the guy took tail and ran.

I also called the cops and they NEVER came.

But being somebody with something to "lose", I didn't want to risk getting pulled over in California with an "unregistered" pistol.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:38 PM (Jzg4b)

192 176 Not sure about zinc on its own, but as part of an alloy, sure. Depleted uranium (for military AP rounds). Mild steel can work for rounds (its commonly used for military rifle round cores now).

Silver (for Lone ranger fans, and for killing werewolves). . .this one isn't really all that practical.

Wood (used for training bullets).

Pretty much any heavy metal COULD be used to make bullets, though lead has advantages of high density, low cost, low melting temperature, and easy castability that makes it ideal.



Frozen meat bullets.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:39 PM (dLr9j)

193 Molon Labia, Bitch.

Posted by: A. Greek at July 26, 2016 02:39 PM (F0l0a)

194 Yeah, you can build sten, "liberator" "12 winds shotgun" or other cheapo improvised firearms at home. These things are 'possible'. But probably no real "need" to do that here, with so many guns floating around.


Posted by: looking closely

Yet

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:39 PM (ngn8T)

195 174 If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to
actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody
obeys.
==
Unfortunately, not true.

Its still a "law" when someone in the gov't decides they want to "get" you for some reason, catches you, and charges you with violating it.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:35 PM (ji45d)

++++

Yep. Instead of going after everyone at once, where people could band together and resist, they can come at people one at a time. Stuff like you get pull over for something and the cop comes across the weapon in your vehicle. Or, a messy divorce and the ex makes a point to tell the judge about your illegal guns.

Most people feel uneasy being in a position where the government can have them on a slam-dunk felony anytime they want to go to the trouble.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 26, 2016 02:40 PM (R+30W)

196 And I'm thinking this is where some states start telling the fed to fuck off.

Yep.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2016 02:40 PM (B+qrE)

197 116 According to Wikipedia (yeah, I know, I know...):

"Nuru massages have become legal in certain regions of the world including areas in Canada, Europe and Pahrump, Nevada."

Who gets credit for that -- Harry Reid, or Art Bell?

------------------

I'm thinking Dennis Hof.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 26, 2016 02:40 PM (F2rZx)

198 193 Molon Labia, Bitch.
Posted by: A. Greek at July 26, 2016 02:39 PM (F0l0a)

Come and lip them?

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 26, 2016 02:40 PM (RD7QR)

199 At what point do you so over burden a right as to make it not a right anymore?

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:38 PM (lKyWE)

Well, in theory as Heller and McDonald make the 2nd an individual right, it should get strict scruitiny, meaning no law would be valid that didn't serve a compelling state interest and there wasn't a less obtrusive way to do... but then the supreme court is a group of dishonest hacks at this point so whatever.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 26, 2016 02:40 PM (t06LC)

200 As for eyeball therapy, ace pilot Chuck Yeager used to do a thing when he was on long-distance escort missions with bombers where he'd focus on his canopy glass, then as far out as he could, then back again, over and over. He said it kept him awake, but it also helped his eyesight, he was sure.

Try it some time. You're working muscles when you do it, and it doesn't take long before they start to get tired and ache. Its a workout, but it helps condition your eyeballs.

At what point do you so over burden a right as to make it not a right anymore?

That all depends on how Justice Kennedy votes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:41 PM (39g3+)

201 O/T....

My cordless drill died.

Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (Zu3d9)

202 Good luck with that project, pal.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Salute the DNC with Bang a Gong, Gotterdammerung! at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (hLRSq)

203 >>i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.
Posted by: ace

Jeebus! For your eyes? I've been out of the healthcare game too long.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (NHtMs)

204 Its still a "law" when someone in the gov't decides they want to "get" you for some reason, catches you, and charges you with violating it.

Sure, it becomes less a law than a device to punish targets. Its not really a law any longer so much as a tool of tyranny, picking who and where it is used.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:43 PM (39g3+)

205 Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (Zu3d9)

Yeah buy a good one, if I ever have to borrow it. I like top shelf items

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:43 PM (zp+j1)

206 4 i just got back from physical therapy. I think it actually helped.

Posted by: ace at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (dciA+)

Never heard of physical therapy for eyes, do they make you watch bad porn or something? lol

Posted by: Killerdog at July 26, 2016 02:43 PM (gNrgn)

207 Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (Zu3d9)

Yeah buy a good one, if I ever have to borrow it. I like top shelf items
Posted by: Nevergiveup



Tea, meet monitor.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:43 PM (dLr9j)

208 What the particular delegate believes is only indicative of a certain amount of wishful thinking.
You find people like that all over the political spectrum.
"Hey, my guy is going to fix all the bathrooms so that the water swirls the other way!"

It doesn't mean that Hillary won't try stuff and be incremental if elected, but it will be incrementalism, again, to trim 2A rights..
Most politicians are really just thugs, regardless of party. They don't really care about you, or your rights, or what you think you can do because you are a citizen.
We're all marks in this con. It's just who is going to screw us more, and steal more of our money.

So let's elect Hillary, who has already committed espionage, probably treason, and her husband is a rapist. A complete government of sociopaths to govern us stupid boobs.
The last 8 years have taught us nothing. I mean, this is what at least 40% of the country is thinking, or rather, has been told to think and repeat.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at July 26, 2016 02:44 PM (RFeQD)

209 What could bullets be made of besides lead? 

Guessing nobody mentioned depleted Uranium

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 02:44 PM (bksJQ)

210 5
How does Hillary intend to accomplish this goal?
_________________

It won't be any problem at all to locate and seize and dispose of hundreds of millions of guns in the U.S.

But finding and deporting millions of illegal aliens in the U.S., on the other hand, would be completely impossible!

Posted by: HILLARY CLINTON at July 26, 2016 02:44 PM (NnYnv)

211 Gee ,wouldn't it be nice to see people like O'Keefe and Judicial Watch's head honcho invited to the WH and praised for the important work they do. A photo op, and maybe one or even two preezy Freedom medals dished out.

Instead of Jay-Z, Cecile Richards, and the Muslim Brotherhood.

*damn, there I go again, sounding optimistic; this won't end well*

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2016 02:44 PM (gyKtp)

212
My cordless drill died.

Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo



Bosch and Dewalt are good.

Have you tried the small 12V Bosch Impact Driver? It's one of those tools I would pay $1,000 for if I had to, I use it so much around the house.

Can easily drive just about any screw into any wood and also makes a perfect cordless screwdriver.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:45 PM (Jzg4b)

213 Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?>>>

For their price Ryobi makes a very good cordless drill. If money is no object the Dewalt 20vMAX kicks ass.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 26, 2016 02:45 PM (aVYsC)

214 #176

Even steel shot have a different patterning and impact pattern than lead ones. Doesn't matter "quite" so much because these are short range weapons anyway, but for marginal shots at the end of your range, steel doesn't hit as hard.

Pure copper bullets are available now and have been for a while. They work fine, and good ones are very accurate. Pure brass bullets are available. Tungsten is another commonly used non-lead bullet constituent metal.

The point is, yes, of course non-lead bullets can have different trajectories than lead ones. That doesn't mean they can't be really effective. . .you just have to zero your weapon with the ammo used, and understand its limitations.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:45 PM (ji45d)

215

I've moved away from battery powered tools. When the battery pack goes bad, the tool is useless.

Posted by: Findley at July 26, 2016 02:45 PM (hQUve)

216 "Never heard of physical therapy for eyes, do they make you watch bad porn or something?"

If you're watching the Democrat convention, you'll build up some great eye-rolling muscles. I think by this point, my eyes can deadlift fifteen pounds each.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:46 PM (iIzG7)

217 Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (Zu3d9)


I've had a Makita for about a decade now. Use it a couple times a week. Batteries still recharge fine.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 02:46 PM (ZnIt3)

218 "Guessing nobody mentioned depleted Uranium"

See #123, Skip -- I'm miles ahead of you.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (iIzG7)

219 Never heard of physical therapy for eyes, do they make you watch bad porn or something? lol

Posted by: Killerdog at July 26, 2016 02:43 PM (gNrgn)

I think it involves lots of onions, and naked pictures of Helen Thomas

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (uAvJJ)

220 Pure copper bullets are available now and have been for a while. They work fine, and good ones are very accurate. Pure brass bullets are available. Tungsten is another commonly used non-lead bullet constituent metal.

The point is, yes, of course non-lead bullets can have different trajectories than lead ones. That doesn't mean they can't be really effective. . .you just have to zero your weapon with the ammo used, and understand its limitations.

Posted by: looking closely



Sounds like you're all aboard the lead ban.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (Jzg4b)

221 Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 02:42 PM (Zu3d9)


Milwaukee makes a nice one. Built in light, very solid. The battery charges fast too.

I had a Ryobi and I hated it.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (t06LC)

222 >>When the battery pack goes bad, the tool is useless.

Until you replace the battery pack. Did that with my Makita not too long ago and it works like new.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (/tuJf)

223 I use Bosch cordless drills, I like them and have gone through a few but the other week my impact driver fell 20 feet without any damage.
The thing with impact drivers is great for driving screws but limited in actual drilling. It can be done but only with smaller bits.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (bksJQ)

224 112: Heh, maybe he was at work.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (Lyh9/)

225 BCochran1981 - In Florida at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (gW5Vg)
"what kind of therapy do they do?"

I imagine it goes something like this:

Ok Mr Spades, we are going to show you a series of slides from various distances and we want you to tell us which one of the busty lesbians has the tan lines.

Posted by: Bob in Houston-TEXIT! at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (XRxxn)

226 I think it involves lots of onions, and naked pictures of Helen Thomas

That sounds like aversion therapy.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (YEelc)

227 Conspiracy theory circulating that the young DNC aide that got plugged a couple of weeks ago was the email leaker.

Posted by: V the K at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (O7MnT)

228 I am quite sick of the word 'historic' today. It is in every teaser and every news broadcast.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (TnUKj)

229 "My cordless drill died. Anyone have a strong opinion about the quality of the various ones out there?"

I have Makitas and Bosches. I treat tools with care and respect, but have had occasional Bosch failures (always electrical -- the mechanicals are stout). It can get expensive as hell to source limited production German replacement components.

Also, I'm sorta boycotting Kraut goods at this point, given that they are insisting on not only their own civilizational suicide, but also forcing it down the throats of the rest of Europe.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (noWW6)

230 I noticed that about the time the NYT ran an article saying that Eric Holder and Barry both were extremely disappointed that they could not achieve gun control during this most radical administration the popular meme by Hillary! and the LSM became "Gun Safety" which is just another word for confiscation.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (NHtMs)

231 Ryobi is junk, don't buy anything cordless from them.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (Jzg4b)

232 If the large majority of the public simply ignore a law, it ceases to
actually be law. It doesn't matter how much its written down if nobody
obeys.



Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:33 PM (39g3+)

-- You're right, in a sense (especially concerning things like the Constitution). In reality though, the state doesn't have a problem with everyone ignoring the law, so long as they can use it when they want to. First, you make everyone a criminal. Next, you selectively enforce the law, especially against your political enemies. That way, regular people will be too afraid to say anything, because they know that they are "guilty" too.

Posted by: Revenant at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (3DSAh)

233 If I were reduced to making STEN guns on my knee mill -- I would probably make bullets using mild steel, tightly rolled to the correct diameter. Maybe do a base cavity for stability by starting with a trapezoidal piece. I suspect you would get decent expansion.

Have to seal it some way - wad, etc. But should work. Lots of mild steel out there.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (ngn8T)

234 It doesn't mean that Hillary won't try stuff and be incremental if elected, but it will be incrementalism, again, to trim 2A rights..

Why would she restrain herself? If she wins, its confirmation that she can do anything and still gain victory. That all her corruption and blatant lawlessness has no price. And further it will be confirmation that the American people are perfectly fine with her rhetoric, the Democratic Party's actions, and the president's utterly disregard of law and the constitution.

How would anyone stop her, if she just issued an executive order requiring everyone to turn in all guns? The courts would deadlock, then agree with her when she put someone like Eric Holder on the SCOTUS. Congress would yell and hold hearings but pass no laws and do no impeachments. The justice department might balk, but would do what they're told or be replaced by someone who will.

The American people, having elected her, would not even fight back. Nobody is going to revolt, not in a culture that believes nothing is worth dying or even fighting for.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (39g3+)

235 Ryobi 18 volt with the new type batteries.
Work fine, last long time.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 26, 2016 02:49 PM (9TWWe)

236 #209, Ahem: http://tinyurl.com/haa68p7

DU works well, but I can't EVER imagine any relevant quantities of same being available for civilian use.

Then again, if you're really desperate, and have access to it, I suppose you could use NON depleted uranium.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:49 PM (ji45d)

237 It's cheaper if batteries are run down where they won't charge is buy another drill. I charge batteries sometime twice every say (I would say it's the most used tool I have) and they last years.

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (bksJQ)

238 Yeah, you can build sten, "liberator" "12 winds shotgun" or other cheapo
improvised firearms at home. These things are 'possible'. But probably
no real "need" to do that here, with so many guns floating around.





Posted by: looking closely

Ahh, but potato guns are a hoot.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (jxbfJ)

239 This seems like a good thread to pimp a family business. My nephew works for a push pin company, and the boss was playing around in the office & noticed that the pushpins fit into a 9mm casing perfectly. And thus "Bullet Points" pushpins were born. Website in nic if anyone wants to check it out.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (7HtZB)

240 Conspiracy theory circulating that the young DNC aide that got plugged a couple of weeks ago was the email leaker.
Posted by: V the K

Nice

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (ngn8T)

241 Ni-cad batteries do not lastw long.

I have seen U tube videos where people replace the batteries in rechargeable battery packs.

Posted by: rd at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (uQh+H)

242 Yeah, you can build sten, "liberator" "12 winds shotgun" or other cheapo improvised firearms at home. These things are 'possible'. But probably no real "need" to do that here, with so many guns floating around.

You forget, the point of those weapons is to use them to get a better weapon. I doubt the circumstances under which that would be A Thing need explaining.

Unless of course someone gets the skills and knowledge to fab AK-47 style weapons, which can more or less be built and maintained in any dirt village anywhere in the 'Stans.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (9krrF)

243 I think it involves lots of onions, and naked pictures of Helen Thomas
Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2016 02:47 PM (uAvJJ)

That may be torture, not thearpy.

Posted by: Killerdog at July 26, 2016 02:51 PM (gNrgn)

244 What goes for the 2A goes also for the entire Bill of Rights. The Democrats hate the Constitutional limitations on government and are doing their level best to destroy them, each and every one.

However you feel about gun violence, vote only for candidates who will protect and defend the Constitution. They will come for you, sure as shootin, so you should defend even those rights about which you don't care (or even hate).

Posted by: MTF at July 26, 2016 02:51 PM (/m8T6)

245 "Conspiracy theory circulating that the young DNC aide that got plugged a couple of weeks ago was the email leaker."

The twentysomething white guy who was alone and on foot in a rough part of town on a weekend night at four in the morning? They sure did a plausible job of disguising the hit as a drug purchase gone awry.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 02:51 PM (noWW6)

246 Have to seal it some way - wad, etc. But should work. Lots of mild steel out there.
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (ngn8T)

I saw Mild Steel open for REO Speedwagon at the Spectrum in 85 - They kicked ass!

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 02:51 PM (7HtZB)

247 Someone needs uranium? *hic*

Do you speak Russian or Iranian, because we have interpeters for that trans action. *hic*

Posted by: Hilarity Clinton at July 26, 2016 02:51 PM (ZnIt3)

248 The older ryobi batteries died quickly. But the new green line seems to do pretty well. Drill and the impact driver both run forever.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 26, 2016 02:51 PM (9TWWe)

249
Unless of course someone gets the skills and knowledge to fab AK-47 style weapons, which can more or less be built and maintained in any dirt village anywhere in the 'Stans.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (9krrF)

There used to be a thread on a gun board of an AK47 a guy built from a shovel. It worked too.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 26, 2016 02:52 PM (t06LC)

250 by poster amr @captainsjournal many years ago:

"Senator Feinstein denies that this bill, with its registration requirement for the vast majority of firearms, is a step towards confiscation, I doubt that she forgets the passage of the California Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 in her home state and what happened afterwards. That Act required the registration of so-called “assault weapons”. Attorney General Dan Lungren reversed the official position and in 1997 to declared one of the rifles considered legal and subject to registration just a few years earlier, the SKS Sporter with detachable magazine, to be illegal. Owners who had complied with the law were forced to surrender their weapons or transfer them out of state.

Worse yet, despite assurances by the NYC government that registration records would not EVER be used for anything more than tracking lost and stolen weapons, the registration system for long guns such as rifles and shotguns established in 1967 was used in the 1990′s to confiscate previously lawful semi-automatic rifles. Also, registration easily allowed the confiscation of firearms in GB and Australia.

I doubt that the modern American resort to arms to protect basic constitutional rights would have been possible in McMinn County, TN with this proposed law. Only the corrupt and powerful would have had weapons and the Battle of Athens or sometimes called the McMinn County War on August 1, 1946 would not have occurred. Even Eleanor Roosevelt supported the necessity of that effort.

The Revolutionary War began when British subjects, soon to be called Americans, repelled the British Army’s attempt to confiscate arms. This is a streak of defiance that has permeated American culture throughout its history. So why should any American citizen believe that if Senator Feinstein and other elected officials are willing to violate a basic American right to bear arms, that existed even before we were a nation, that we should trust said officials to safeguard any of our constitutional rights."

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 26, 2016 02:52 PM (NHtMs)

251 Mild Steel was my least favorite Judas Priest all-ballads album.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:52 PM (39g3+)

252 #233.
I don't see why someone willing to risk a long jail term to make an illegal Sten gun wouldn't be also willing to get some readily available lead and make normal bullets from it.

Just casting lead bullets cowboy style in your garage with a dipper and mold is going to be a lot easier than trying to concoct some out of steel, I think.

BTW, Ive heard its possible to turn bullets from brass or steel on a lathe. So if you had to do it, that may be the easiest way.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:52 PM (ji45d)

253 >>What could bullets be made of besides lead?

Guessing nobody mentioned depleted Uranium

Posted by: Skip


You must be new here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (VY8H5)

254 There used to be a thread on a gun board of an AK47 a guy built from a shovel. It worked too.



The shovel part was the bolt cover. Still have to have forged steel for the chamber. Shovel steel couldn't hold the pressures.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (dLr9j)

255 Mild Steel was the least successful porn star name evah.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (mgbwf)

256 249: The relevant thread is in my nic.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 02:54 PM (Lyh9/)

257 AK47 Shovel Build



http://tinyurl.com/z2yhxev

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 02:54 PM (/D5Lf)

258 OT: wow, liberals on twitter are all over Russia and Trump ties to Russia, and Russia, NATO, etc.

Amazing from Team Reset, and "the 80s' want their foreign policy back"

Man are they angry about DNC hack.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 26, 2016 02:54 PM (UBBWX)

259 On the bright side, my milled AK barreled receiver arrives today. And of course, when I started looking for surplus Polish stock sets to go with it, they are nowhere to be found, though they were plentiful two months ago.

Posted by: The Scorpion at July 26, 2016 02:54 PM (rwI+c)

260 Is this the drill thread?

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (vtcmf)

261 Jackals link is much more detailed than mine

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (/D5Lf)

262 #239
For a second I thought this was live ammo loaded with pushpins! (A la crazy You tube videos where people load "stupid" things into shotgun shells, etc).


Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (ji45d)

263 What goes on at the politburo stays at the politburo.

Posted by: Sphynx at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (OZmbA)

264 255 Mild Steel was the least successful porn star name evah.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (mgbwf)

Hey!

Posted by: Flacido Domingo at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (7HtZB)

265 Don't know if preppers still do advocate it but years ago saw they pushed blackpowder as a backup for cases like confiscation or bullet material scarce

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (bksJQ)

266 I can't imagine the media showing anything but glee if RNC emails were hacked by Russia

Posted by: Sexypig at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (UBBWX)

267 254. He bent the receiver out of the shovel. The trunnion was from a Romanian kit and the barrel was a blank that was already threaded and chambered.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (Lyh9/)

268

I no longer use dildo's made from mild steel. Bends in my Rockwell 70 vajayjay too easily...

Posted by: Hitlery at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (qul7b)

269 Unless of course someone gets the skills and knowledge to fab AK-47 style weapons, which can more or less be built and maintained in any dirt village anywhere in the 'Stans.
Posted by: Brother Cavil,

Thank you Uncle Al for this wonder - the Internet

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:56 PM (ngn8T)

270 The shovel part was the bolt cover. Still have to have forged steel for the chamber. Shovel steel couldn't hold the pressures.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (dLr9j)

I think it was the lower receiver. It was built on a parts kit which did have the barrel.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 26, 2016 02:56 PM (t06LC)

271 188 I hate living in fucking Colorado. The Haggard Queen is ten points out from Trump, she'll help sweep Bennett in, all I hear is pro-choice, right to die, anti frack, recall those fucking gun nuts, recall those fucking school board members. It's like an echo chamber.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (U6f54)

200k signatures turned in to put $15/hr minimum wage on the ballot. Which will be paid for by the enormous unicorn fart industry that will replace all the natural gas and oil we're no longer pumping.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 26, 2016 02:56 PM (W2YA6)

272 looking closely -- just thinking ahead of a lead ban

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:56 PM (ngn8T)

273 Man are they angry about DNC hack.


Ignore the crime, blame the whistle blower.

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 26, 2016 02:56 PM (vtcmf)

274 But should work. Lots of mild steel out there.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (ngn8T)
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Plus steel doesn't melt under heat. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at July 26, 2016 02:56 PM (/m8T6)

275 Gun thread - electric, cordless, smokeless or black powder operated

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 02:57 PM (bksJQ)

276 #254

The chamber on an AK is part of the barrel.

The receiver on an AK is normally made out of a piece of bent sheet steel. It doesn't HAVE to be tough. . .all it really does is hold the action components in the right spot with the barrel.

So you could use a shovel for that. You could probably use a piece of appropriately tough/thick plastic. There are commercially available polymer (plastic) AR15 receivers available now. I've seen a build somewhere where a guy made a functional AR15 receiver out of PLASTIC CUTTING BOARDS. Thing didn't last long, but enough to get off a few shots.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 02:58 PM (ji45d)

277 Trouble is.. they don't need to take over Congress to accomplish this. All they need is Hillary in office and give her the chance to appoint 2-4 Supreme Court Justices.

The 2nd Amendment will be conveniently re-interpreted to mean state run militias are the only ones it covers.

Posted by: Hillary Rotten Clinton at July 26, 2016 02:59 PM (so+oy)

278 BTW, that same guy made a 9mm PPSh out of a kit as well, which requires milling your own trunnion/Reciever.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 02:59 PM (Lyh9/)

279 Which will be paid for by the enormous unicorn fart industry that will replace all the natural gas and oil we're no longer pumping.

Reminds me of Oregon's grand idea to pass socialized medicine for the state in the late 90s, just when the economy collapsed, and all that tax revenue they were relying on to pay for it dried up. But of course, they didn't get rid of the bill. they just piled up debt, raised fees all over, and finally got the stupid public to vote themselves a tax increase. Still massively in debt. Doctors leaving the system etc.

Obamacare was supposed to pick up the slack but Oregon's interface with the ACA was the most infamous of the boondoggles. They're still firing people and investigating why it was such a massive disaster.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:59 PM (39g3+)

280 Or the EPA to say bullets are verbotten

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 03:01 PM (bksJQ)

281 All of these "what ifs" on how to fashion an "illegal" gun or bullets seems like cold comfort to me.

If I'm having to melt scrap metal and homemade black powder to make bullets for my "shovel gun" I think the Left has officially won.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:01 PM (Jzg4b)

282 Is this the drill thread?Posted by: That guy who always says...


It started out on topic. Then physical therapy segued into nuru massage, prompting much goggling, and the sudden dearth of comments, then onto sunglasses - cheap v expensive, then Charlie Brown brought us back on topic, drills.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 03:01 PM (ZnIt3)

283 Obamacare was supposed to pick up the slack but Oregon's interface with the ACA was the most infamous of the boondoggles. They're still firing people and investigating why it was such a massive disaster.



Because no one had a clue how to hold a job and work.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 03:02 PM (dLr9j)

284 #272
I don't think anyone is going to ban the METAL lead. (Its use is already restricted, because of toxicity). The ban is going to be on lead BULLETS.

But there is plenty of lead around if you look: wheel weights, fishing sinkers, car batteries, etc. Plus of course, there is tons of reclaimable lead at gun ranges, etc.

Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 03:02 PM (ji45d)

285 264 255 Mild Steel was the least successful porn star name evah.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (mgbwf)

Hey!
Posted by: Flacido Domingo at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (7HtZB)


Wachusayin'.

Posted by: Big Jim noodle at July 26, 2016 03:02 PM (Fmupd)

286 Meanwhile kids of homosexual couples are having a difference of opinion with their parents:

http://tinyurl.com/lnb3vtw

Turns out a mom and dad really are the best way to raise kids.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:02 PM (39g3+)

287

My first Executive Order will be to the BATF, to stop all background checks 'for a while' to allow for a 'study' on how to improve the system...

Posted by: Hitlery at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (qul7b)

288 Now we talk about horseman babies.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (qUNWi)

289 Doesn't Hillary support suing the gun manufacturers for gun violence. That would put the domestic manufactures out of business, that would be a start.

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (6+jI3)

290 284 #272
I don't think anyone is going to ban the METAL lead. (Its use is already restricted, because of toxicity). The ban is going to be on lead BULLETS.

But there is plenty of lead around if you look: wheel weights, fishing sinkers, car batteries, etc. Plus of course, there is tons of reclaimable lead at gun ranges, etc.
Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 03:02 PM (ji45d)

What do they use to balance tires? It's heavy & melts easily.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (7HtZB)

291 I don't think anyone is going to ban the METAL lead. (Its use is already restricted, because of toxicity). The ban is going to be on lead BULLETS.

But there is plenty of lead around if you look: wheel weights, fishing sinkers, car batteries, etc. Plus of course, there is tons of reclaimable lead at gun ranges, etc.
Posted by: looking closely



Nope, California even banned the lead weights on car wheels.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (Jzg4b)

292 "I hate living in fucking Colorado. The Haggard Queen is ten points out
from Trump, she'll help sweep Bennett in, all I hear is pro-choice,
right to die, anti frack"

There was a very interesting movement within recent memory, in which it was being proposed for the northern tier of counties of CO (where they have oil and gas operations as economic mainstays) to secede from CO, and join with WY to their north, which has a much friendlier political climate for fracking.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (noWW6)

293 MA AG Healey will be speaking tonight to gloat how she banned all semiautomatic rifles by fiat and turned a hundred thousand citizens of the commonwealth into felons with a single presd conference.

Our craven legislature and squish rino givernor is ok with it.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 26, 2016 03:04 PM (kI5Sv)

294 I hate living in fucking Colorado. The Haggard Queen is ten points out
from Trump, she'll help sweep Bennett in, all I hear is pro-choice,
right to die, anti frack, recall those fucking gun nuts, recall those
fucking school board members. It's like an echo chamber.



Posted by: the littl shyning man at July 26, 2016 02:34 PM (U6f54)



200k signatures turned in to put $15/hr minimum wage on the ballot.
Which will be paid for by the enormous unicorn fart industry that will
replace all the natural gas and oil we're no longer pumping.



All of this. ^^^

Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2016 03:04 PM (z64/7)

295 Heh. Bernie isn't going to put Hillary's name up for nomination.

#unity

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 03:04 PM (/tuJf)

296 But there is plenty of lead around if you look: wheel weights, fishing sinkers, car batteries, etc. Plus of course, there is tons of reclaimable lead at gun ranges, etc.



Zimbabwe here we come!

I want a pet hyena!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 03:04 PM (dLr9j)

297 I love Ken Griffey jr, and he's one of the all time greats in baseball. But his Hall of Fame speech really bothered me.

First off, he talked about his mom being so poor and having to work so hard. That's a nice tribute, but... his dad was a major league baseball player, in the post-Kurt Flood era. He had money.

And second, he never praised his mom for being good or teaching them right, or being true or loving. Only for being 'tough' and 'hard-working' and 'never giving up.' Which is a problem. If that's all you know your mom for, she's not really mom at all. She's just the woman that provides for you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (39g3+)

298 Heh. There's an article on Yahoo. Debbie Delivered, Reince Didn't.

I'm not going to bother reading the drivel, but it looks like the claim Matt Bai is making is that DWS was good with being underhanded by getting the establishment preferred candidate through in Clinton. But Reince was unable to do the same thing and lost the GOP to Trump.

You know, betters have to make sure you stupid peasants don't do anything they don't want you to do.

Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (z/Ubi)

299 Our new democrat governor of Pennsylvania has placed a brand new $1.00 a pack tax on cigarettes starting August first. Ninety cents tax on vap stuff.

I want the equivalent tax on the fat people aisle at the grocery store. You know which one I'm talking about.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (ZnIt3)

300 If I'm having to melt scrap metal and homemade black powder to make bullets for my "shovel gun" I think the Left has officially won.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:01 PM (Jzg4b)


Yep. We're in the camps or dead by then.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (/D5Lf)

301 I'd like to see Colorado pass the $15 minimum wage, that economy will crater over night.

Teachable moment.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (Jzg4b)

302 But,but the tape was edited! Or the tape was "tampered" with!

Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (O2RFr)

303 I want a pet hyena!

I want to eat your hand

Posted by: Pet Hyena at July 26, 2016 03:06 PM (39g3+)

304 293
MA AG Healey will be speaking tonight to gloat how she banned all
semiautomatic rifles by fiat and turned a hundred thousand citizens of
the commonwealth into felons with a single presd conference.



Our craven legislature and squish rino givernor is ok with it.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 26, 2016 03:04 PM (kI5Sv)

You folks in Mass. really took it on that move of hers. Executive overreach anyone? Have lawsuits been filed yet?BTW - NH has very friendly gun laws (for now). Only a short trek north on I-95.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 03:06 PM (jxbfJ)

305 Well shit. Just got done (for today) with a little home improvement project. Heat ran us in. Hot mother-trucker out there.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:06 PM (9ym/8)

306 I think it really comes down to whatever She decides She wants the signature achievement of the first term of Her presidency to be. Sure, there will be all kinds of small changes towards progressivism, but there's going to be one thing that will massively, fundamentally, change the country as well, and will raise such a furor downballot Dems will complain and force the next big change into Her second term. Will She legalize every immigrant and grant them citizenship? That's Her first term. The second term will be saved for taking all the guns. Unless She switches them around, or wants to nationalize health care at some point.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 26, 2016 03:07 PM (W2YA6)

307 What do they use to balance tires? It's heavy & melts easily.
Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 03:03 PM (7HtZB)

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Old stuff was lead. There is some steel.

Alot of new wheel weights are zinc. Horrible material to cast with.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:07 PM (8XRCm)

308 But there is plenty of lead around if you look: wheel weights, fishing sinkers,

Back when I had a basement I shot some fishing weights with a .22. They make really interesting deformations.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 03:08 PM (mgbwf)

309 An excellent article full of facts on the Australian gun grab and what it would mean if attempted in America:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2016 03:08 PM (gyKtp)

310 That WaPo article that Weirddave put in the sidebar is very entertaining.

Posted by: bluebell at July 26, 2016 03:09 PM (805dc)

311 "I want to eat your hand
Posted by: Pet Hyena "



Down! Down hyena!

*cracks whip*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:09 PM (9ym/8)

312 Welp, time to buy more ammo...
This is getting old. Safe is getting crowded but I don't want to waste ammo $$ on a new safe.

Posted by: IP at July 26, 2016 03:09 PM (Fol9S)

313 Well shit. Just got done (for today) with a little home improvement project. Heat ran us in. Hot mother-trucker out there.



93, feel like 103. Humidity 53%
My neck of the woods.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 03:09 PM (dLr9j)

314 301 I'd like to see Colorado pass the $15 minimum wage, that economy will crater over night.

Teachable moment.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (Jzg4b)


For normal folks. Not for the left. Look at all their failed cities.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 03:09 PM (/D5Lf)

315 if the government can't keep guns out of the hood where guns are illegal to have then how in the hell are they going to keep guns out of the vast majority of the country that is left, legal, illegal whatever? we can't ferret out living illegal beings but we're going to confiscate guns and ammo? good luck with that.

Posted by: nckate at July 26, 2016 03:10 PM (9Pufo)

316 Totally off topic because sometimes you just have to think about something other than politics...

Macy's is having a pretty good sale on sheets.

And yes, I would normally buy Pratesi, but they don't make the color we need.

Posted by: jwest at July 26, 2016 03:10 PM (Zs4uk)

317
Or.... put another way.

The Party that says we cant round up 11 million illegal aliens are going to try to round up 325 million firearms.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:11 PM (8XRCm)

318 315
if the government can't keep guns out of the hood where guns are illegal
to have then how in the hell are they going to keep guns out of the
vast majority of the country that is left, legal, illegal whatever? we
can't ferret out living illegal beings but we're going to confiscate
guns and ammo? good luck with that.


Posted by: nckate at July 26, 2016 03:10 PM (9Pufo)
Ask the governors of NY, MD and the mayor of Chicago. They seem to be doing a bang up job.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 03:11 PM (jxbfJ)

319 Why would you let them take you to the camps?

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?
Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more. we had no awareness of the real situation We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: Grad School Fool at July 26, 2016 03:11 PM (swEzU)

320 For normal folks. Not for the left. Look at all their failed cities.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA



Problem is, Colorado looks like it's just becoming California.

A $15 minimum wage "can" work in a place like NYC, but not in a state like Colorado.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (Jzg4b)

321 301 I'd like to see Colorado pass the $15 minimum wage, that economy will crater over night.

Teachable moment.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (Jzg4b)

I'd rather it didn't, since I live here, but there's a enough idiots in Denver and Boulder and Aspen that what the rest of the state thinks or will have to deal with won't matter.

And as for teachable moments, Venezuela's ongoing misery doesn't seem to be having much of an informational effect on the democrats and their Bernie-lovin' friends.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (W2YA6)

322 I welcome them to run on an anti-gun platform. It will give Trump Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (iONHu)

323 O/T, but did you all notice how quiet things got regarding the Ft. Myers nightclub shooting? Very very little said on the shooters. Turns out it was 3 fine upstanding urban youths who strayed from the path of righteousness.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (jxbfJ)

324 "That WaPo article that Weirddave put in the sidebar is very entertaining. "



The one about peach Snicker bars camel underwear?


Yes. Interesting.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:13 PM (9ym/8)

325 I don't doubt that Hillary and many she would appoint to various positions may intend to ban guns. However, quoting a Hillary delegate at the convention is meaningless. Who cares what a delegate thinks? Does she even matter? The content of the video is of the same quality as the audio.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 26, 2016 03:13 PM (NUqwG)

326 O/T, but did you all notice how quiet things got regarding the Ft. Myers nightclub shooting? Very very little said on the shooters. Turns out it was 3 fine upstanding urban youths who strayed from the path of righteousness.

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O/O/T, did you even know there was a suicide bombing in Germany yesterday??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:13 PM (8XRCm)

327 322 I welcome them to run on an anti-gun platform. It will give Trump Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.
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Ditto. Bring it.

More attack ad material for team Trump.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 03:14 PM (Ffw22)

328 317
Or.... put another way.

The Party that says we cant round up 11 million illegal aliens are going to try to round up 325 million firearms.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:11 PM (8XRCm)

Everyone is better at the things that matter to them. They don't care about finding illegal aliens. They do care about bringing their ideological enemies to heel.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 26, 2016 03:14 PM (W2YA6)

329 For the left, its about what they want to be true rather than reality. For most people in America, really. Whether something will work or not is quite irrelevant, they have a dream and if they dream it enough and work hard enough, they can make that dream come true.

Why would they think otherwise? They've been told that every minute of their lives since they were a zygote.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:14 PM (39g3+)

330 >>>>if the government can't keep guns out of the hood where guns are illegal
to have then how in the hell are they going to keep guns out of the
vast majority of the country that is left, legal, illegal whatever? we
can't ferret out living illegal beings but we're going to confiscate
guns and ammo? good luck with that.
.
.
.
.The left has this fantasy that if they pass laws to confiscate guns that all gun owners will meekly line up and turn them in like sheep. I think that CT and NY has finally proven that simply is not going to happen. If those deep blue States only had a 20% compliance rate, imagine what the rest of the Country would look like.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2016 03:14 PM (iONHu)

331 323 O/T, but did you all notice how quiet things got regarding the Ft. Myers nightclub shooting? Very very little said on the shooters. Turns out it was 3 fine upstanding urban youths who strayed from the path of righteousness.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (jxbfJ)

12 year olds at a nightclub past midnight.

Awesome parenting folks. Awesome.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (/D5Lf)

332

"Huma, my hyena is itching really bad, bring the cream."

Posted by: Hitlery at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (qul7b)

333 Rumors of Kmart closing most stores, company denies it (sort of) All local stores having going out of business sales this month....times sure have changed when Kmart was top dog...

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (6+jI3)

334 Reminds me of when sodamyear, had a big laugh over "you can't say that"..wide latina and all that.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (Ffw22)

335 The left has this fantasy that if they pass laws to confiscate guns that all gun owners will meekly line up and turn them in like sheep. I think that CT and NY has finally proven that simply is not going to happen. If those deep blue States only had a 20% compliance rate, imagine what the rest of the Country would look like.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2016 03:14 PM (iONHu)

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Boss...... what is UP with all the canoe accident claims lately???

Posted by: Jake From State Farm at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (8XRCm)

336 I think KMart got bought didn't it? Kind of sad really, but I haven't been in once since the 80s.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (39g3+)

337 I welcome them to run on an anti-gun platform. It will give Trump Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.
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Ditto. Bring it.

More attack ad material for team Trump.
Posted by: willy


If Trump wants to win, he should continue to push the gun issue hard

I'm telling you, this cuts across a lot of demographics.

The people that really WANT gun control are in blue enclaves that are already in Hillary's column.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:16 PM (Jzg4b)

338 "did you even know there was a suicide bombing in Germany yesterday?? "





Yeah, they said the guy was a Syrian getting ready to be deported to Bulgaria.

???

How did all come to play?


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:16 PM (9ym/8)

339 322
I welcome them to run on an anti-gun platform. It will give Trump Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (iONHu)

Watchers of the DNC convention tonight are going to get an earful of it.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 03:16 PM (jxbfJ)

340 326 O/T, but did you all notice how quiet things got regarding the Ft. Myers nightclub shooting? Very very little said on the shooters. Turns out it was 3 fine upstanding urban youths who strayed from the path of righteousness.
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Hamilton, OH, also. Gang related, doesn't fit the narrative.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 03:17 PM (Ffw22)

341
O/O/T, did you even know there was a suicide bombing in Germany yesterday??


No but Michelle gave a speech yesterday at the Democrat Convention that was Reaganesque!


Swoon.... the MSM

Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (O2RFr)

342 336 I think KMart got bought didn't it? Kind of sad really, but I haven't been in once since the 80s.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:15 PM (39g3+



Neither has anyone else.

Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (z/Ubi)

343 228 I am quite sick of the word 'historic' today. It is in every teaser and every news broadcast.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 26, 2016 02:48 PM (TnUKj)
________________

Sure Hillary might be a "historic first" woman president, but I will be a "historic first" too.

I will the the "historic first" orange president!

Posted by: The Donald at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (NnYnv)

344 yeah the governors of NY and Md and the mayor of chicago have done such a great job confiscating guns and ammo that there aren't any guns or gun deaths in those areas. that's how effective gun confiscation will be across the country

Posted by: nckate at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (9Pufo)

345 "what is UP with all the canoe accident claims lately???"


Farkin' canoes.


Death traps I tell ya. Death traps.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (9ym/8)

346 Watchers of the DNC convention tonight are going to get an earful of it.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 03:16 PM (jxbfJ)

Is it #BLM night tonight?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (/D5Lf)

347 There's this apparent conflict in the left's approach.

They claim they want all guns out of the hands of citizens, for safety
Which would leave all guns in the hands of law enforcement, which they claim is full of racist murdering thugs.

This seems to be a contradiction, until you understand their solution: only federal law enforcement.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (39g3+)

348 The left has this fantasy that if they pass laws to confiscate guns that all gun owners will meekly line up and turn them in like sheep. I think that CT and NY has finally proven that simply is not going to happen. If those deep blue States only had a 20% compliance rate, imagine what the rest of the Country would look like.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman



I think a lot of this is just to piss on our tribe.

If they can say shut down gun shows, that will be a huge win even though that's probably the largest group of law abiding citizens you could find.

Same with the lead bullet thing, there will still be ammo, it will just cost a fortune to go shooting, etc.

It's about the scalp.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (Jzg4b)

349
Pro Tip.

Liberals dont *really* have a problem with guns. Their security teams have them. Alot of anti gun politicians have them personally.

The dont have a problem with guns. They *really* have a problem with gun OWNERS.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (8XRCm)

350 I want the equivalent tax on the fat people aisle at the grocery store. You know which one I'm talking about.


The aisle where they keep the scooty-puffs?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (s/EUv)

351 326 O/T, but did you all notice how quiet things got regarding the Ft. Myers nightclub shooting? Very very little said on the shooters. Turns out it was 3 fine upstanding urban youths who strayed from the path of righteousness.
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On their way to college, no doubt.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (NnYnv)

352 Mild Steel was the least successful porn star name evah.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:53 PM (mgbwf)

Hey!
Posted by: Flacido Domingo at July 26, 2016 02:55 PM (7HtZB)


Wachusayin'.
Posted by: Big Jim noodle

You don't know what you're missing. Then again, that's true for everyone.

Posted by: Your Little Pony at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (326rv)

353 Watchers of the DNC convention tonight are going to get an earful of it.

And tonight we not only get Billy Jeff, we get the "mothers of the Year' to tell Us how their little darlings were murdered by White Cops and they weren't doin nuffin!

Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (O2RFr)

354 353 Watchers of the DNC convention tonight are going to get an earful of it.

And tonight we not only get Billy Jeff, we get the "mothers of the Year' to tell Us how their little darlings were murdered by White Cops and they weren't doin nuffin!
Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (O2RFr)



Will the mother of St. Trayvon of the Gray Hoodie also be there?

Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (z/Ubi)

355
The left has this fantasy that if they pass laws to confiscate guns that all gun owners will meekly line up and turn them in like sheep

Its funny that they think that people how rush to by assualt rifles everytime they talk about banning them will then suddenly turn them in if they do manage to pass a law banning them

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (lKyWE)

356 Scotsman, I've heard its worse than that. I've heard compliance could be in the single digits, like 5-6 percent.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (Lyh9/)

357 yeah the governors of NY and Md and the mayor of
chicago have done such a great job confiscating guns and ammo that there
aren't any guns or gun deaths in those areas. that's how effective gun
confiscation will be across the country


Posted by: nckate at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (9Pufo)

Yup, Chicago will easily make 400 dead 4000 shot.....382/2334 now...

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (6+jI3)

358 And tonight we not only get Billy Jeff, we get the "mothers of the Year' to tell Us how their little darlings were murdered by White Cops and they weren't doin nuffin!
Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (O2RFr)

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Forget the Moms. I want the BURN THIS BITCH DOWN!! BURN THIS BITCH DOWN!! BURN THIS BITCH DOWN!! BURN THIS BITCH DOWN!! BURN THIS BITCH DOWN!! ...Dad.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

359 "BTW - NH has very friendly gun laws (for now)."

A state that elected Jeanne Shaheen will not be a safe harbor for long.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (noWW6)

360 Will the mother of St. Trayvon of the Gray Hoodie also be there?

Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (z/Ubi)


Of course

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 03:22 PM (/D5Lf)

361 Will the mother of St. Trayvon of the Gray Hoodie also be there?
Posted by: buzzion at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (z/Ubi)

----

yes

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:22 PM (8XRCm)

362 337 If Trump wants to win, he should continue to push the gun issue hard

I'm telling you, this cuts across a lot of demographics.

The people that really WANT gun control are in blue enclaves that are already in Hillary's column.
----------------
Agree. It's a yuuge galvanizing issue for a lot of folks.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 03:22 PM (Ffw22)

363 Will the mother of St. Trayvon of the Gray Hoodie also be there?

Yes....

Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:22 PM (O2RFr)

364 "The left has this fantasy that if they pass laws to confiscate guns that all gun owners will meekly line up and turn them in like sheep "



Worked real good in Connecticut didn't it? Thousands and thousands of un-registered semis to this day. People just ignored it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:23 PM (9ym/8)

365 Not appearing at the DNC: fathers of those thugs killed while attacking people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 03:23 PM (39g3+)

366 No but Michelle gave a speech yesterday at the Democrat Convention that was Reaganesque!
______________

Yes, she told us how Hillary, the same woman she urged people not to vote for in 2008 because she's just the "same old, same old" and had never done anything for anybody, was now the greatest candidate evah!

She also told us how she sleeps "in a house built by slaves," even though the original White House was built by white people. Some black slaves did help to paint the original WH, but that house was burned down by the British in the War of 1812, and the entire WH was gutted and rebuilt during the Truman administration. How many black slaves did that raaaaacist Democrat Truman use, I wonder?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 26, 2016 03:23 PM (NnYnv)

367 ...we get the "mothers of the Year' to tell Us how their little darlings were murdered by White Cops and they weren't doin nuffin!
Posted by: donna at July 26, 2016 03:19 PM (O2RFr)
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I appreciate their strategy of differentiation. I think the Democrats will now hold the title of Stupid Party to go along with Evil Party.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 26, 2016 03:23 PM (NUqwG)

368 355: And that doesn't even take into account 80 percent lowers. You can build an AK in your kitchen from a kit FFS!

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 03:23 PM (Lyh9/)

369 362: It's like partial birth abortion: No upside to massive downside depending on the area.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 03:25 PM (Lyh9/)

370
The people that really WANT gun control are in blue enclaves that are already in Hillary's column.

You'd be surprised how many gun owners there are in blue enclaves.They just don't advertise it.

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 03:25 PM (lKyWE)

371
So.... Is Michael Browns Mom going to speak???

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:25 PM (8XRCm)

372

We already knew this was their strategy.

Trump and any super PAC's sure have a lot of material here.

Where do they start?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 03:26 PM (qCMvj)

373 A $15 minimum wage "can" work in a place like NYC, but not in a state like Colorado.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:12 PM (Jzg4b)

No, it can't.

A minimum wage is, by definition, anti-competitive, and will decrease employment among entry-level employees.

Sorry, but you cannot repeal basic economic law.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 03:26 PM (Zu3d9)

374 371: Yeah, a lot of law abiding blacks own guns in the south. Ready made wedge issue for The Donald.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 03:26 PM (Lyh9/)

375 So.... Is Michael Browns Mom going to speak???
Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:25 PM (8XRCm)


of course

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 03:27 PM (qCMvj)

376 Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 03:21 PM (lKyWE)
Aren't all the democratic laws just fantasy and wishful thinking?

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 26, 2016 03:28 PM (eU/yZ)

377 Mothers of the Movement: Gwen Carr, Mother of Eric Garner; Sybrina Fulton, Mother of Trayvon Martin; Maria Hamilton, Mother of Dontré Hamilton; Lucia McBath, Mother of Jordan Davis; Lezley McSpadden, Mother of Michael Brown; Cleopatra Pendleton-Cowley, Mother of Hadiya Pendleton; Geneva Reed-Veal, Mother of Sandra Bland

Performance by Andra Day

President of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund Cecile Richards



#BlackLivesMatter

#ExceptForThe266BlackBabiesWeKillPerDay

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 03:28 PM (/D5Lf)

378 The F-35 is back.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 26, 2016 03:28 PM (9ym/8)

379 Yeah, a lot of law abiding blacks own guns in the south. Ready made wedge issue for The Donald.



The Dem Party - Against blacks and gun ownership since 1865!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 03:29 PM (dLr9j)

380 7/26/2016 DNC Other featured speakers include mothers who lost their children to gun
violence such as Eric Garner's mother, Gwen Carr; Trayvon Martin's
mother, Sybrina Fulton; and Michael Brown's mother, Lezley McSpadden

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2016 03:29 PM (6+jI3)

381 But there is plenty of lead around if you look: wheel weights, fishing sinkers, car batteries, etc. Plus of course, there is tons of reclaimable lead at gun ranges, etc.
Posted by: looking closely at July 26, 2016 03:02 PM (ji45d)

Nope, I reload. Lead is not easy to find. Car batteries have to be returned (or you pay a fee), wheel weight are long gone, etc.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (ngn8T)

382
The F-35 is back.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill


My favorite pick up truck!

Posted by: John Kerry at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (IqV8l)

383 363 Will the mother of St. Trayvon of the Gray Hoodie also be there?

Yes....
_________________

She'll be there, but she won't be explaining how it is that little Trayvon came to be living in the house of his daddy's baby mama at the time of his death, instead of at his mommy Sabrina Fulton's house, because mommy had grown tired of the gangsta antics of the druggie burglar-boy who could be Obama's son if he had one, and had thrown him out.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (NnYnv)

384 Wikileaks proves DNC exists to rig elections. #BananaRepublic

Posted by: USA at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (tfM+W)

385 No, it can't.

A minimum wage is, by definition, anti-competitive, and will decrease employment among entry-level employees.

Sorry, but you cannot repeal basic economic law.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo




So how do all 50 states have minimum wage laws?

Not saying I want a $15 minimum wage at all, but I'm not going to pretend that a $15 minimum wage in a place like NYC is going to make it collapse.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (Jzg4b)

386 "Ready made wedge issue for The Donald."

Who will instead of guns be talking about funding a $20M PAC to take political revenge upon Cruz and Kasich. Kasich still being, by the way, the Governor of a critically important swing state for the general election.

Karate Hands is a nut case, but sometimes in politics you have to cozy up to nut cases in the service of the greater good, and Trump is going the opposite direction.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (noWW6)

387 A thought, for a moment. The local LEOs hereabouts are floating putting down $100k for a drone with FLIR. They are naturally selling this as for Search and Rescue--the radio show where I heard them talk about it, naturally they trotted out a sob story about some senior with Alzheimer's who went missing and whose remains were eventually found two years later, only a mile from home.

Here's the kicker: I'm willing to bet the S&R ops where that would be needed aren't going to be terribly common. So...who here actually believes that drone's going to just sit unused for months and years on end between S&R needs?

Me neither.

The hypothetical Federal Police will be run and staffed the same as any Federal program--with political goals in mind, diversity is our strength, etc. etc. Competency will not be high on the list of factors...and that's where the drones come in.

Just want to add that juicy tidbit to the list.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (9krrF)

388 >>>>Scotsman, I've heard its worse than that. I've heard compliance could be in the single digits, like 5-6 percent.
.
.
.
.When I left CT the newspapers were saying it was ~20% and they had an agenda to push so you are most likely closer to the real number.

One think I do know is that CT has had an illegal registration database of all firearms sold in the State since 1993. It is maintained by the DCPCS and they have the name an address of every person who bought an "assault rifle" in the State.

They could go and round up every single person who failed to register after Sandy Hook but they have not. They have had 4 years and they have not arrested one single person for failure to register their guns and magazines. They are scared $hitless about what would happen if they started doing that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2016 03:30 PM (iONHu)

389 DNC Other featured speakers include mothers who lost their children to gun

To: Kate Steinle's parents,

Fuck off.

Sincerely,

The DNC

Posted by: Our Betters at July 26, 2016 03:31 PM (326rv)

390 I've had liberals tell me this before... "Nobody wants to ban or take your guns".

You can show them this video and they will say

"Yeah but nobody wants to take your guns"

Posted by: Reality Man at July 26, 2016 03:31 PM (Ch0fq)

391
Some of you guys know that my oldest is a cop.

Some of you guys also know that my oldest is an MP and was sent to Ferguson during the mostly peaceful, but fiery protests. At the time of Ferguson, he was a Crim Just student and looking to get into a police academy. All the Guard pay he earned while in Ferguson payed for his Police Academy Schooling.

Michael Brown paid for my boy to go to the Police Academy.

He loves to tell that story.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 03:31 PM (8XRCm)

392 nood

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2016 03:32 PM (1ZOkK)

393

This should be another time where the cops just turn there backs on the DNC convention. The ones working there.

They are out in 100+ heat keeping those a-holes safe.

Just walk away. Plan a strike. Whatever it takes.

Just walk away.

I heard the police are mad that there aren't cops being represented on the same stage. Unity? It's all BS.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 03:32 PM (qCMvj)

394 I'd like to see Colorado pass the $15 minimum wage, that economy will crater over night.

Teachable moment.
Posted by: TP South
..............
If they pass that, they will likely pass ColoradoCare universal health care as well. 10% new payroll taxes - mostly from the employer.

Their economy won't crater overnight.. it won't even last to 1 am!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 26, 2016 03:32 PM (so+oy)

395 The NRA has put out a couple of great ads recently. This new info ought to be right up their ally.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 03:32 PM (Ffw22)

396 Posted by: Reality Man at July 26, 2016 03:31 PM (Ch0fq
They lie, they do want to take our guns.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 26, 2016 03:32 PM (eU/yZ)

397 Probably be a mass "Hands up, Don't shoot" when the mothers speak

Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2016 03:32 PM (6+jI3)

398 and.. all it will do is draw all the deadbeat stoners from all over the country who will sign up for free healthcare and public assistance..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 26, 2016 03:33 PM (so+oy)

399 1. Buy stock in gun and ammunition manufacturers.
2. Threaten to ban guns.
3. Sales of guns and ammunition skyrocket, increasing the value of the stocks.
4. Left wing politicians and citizens donate and praise her efforts, solidifying the Democratic base.
5. Direct the federal government to spent taxpayer dollars for ammunition, once more increasing the value of the stocks.

She doesn't have to ban guns, she only has to maintain the appearance of trying. Much like King 4Putt in Syria, he only has to appear like he is trying.

Posted by: Vicini at July 26, 2016 03:33 PM (16OL0)

400 5 How does Hillary intend to accomplish this goal?

The important people will have guns, mainly wealthy Democratic donors - the people who need body guards. The rest of else they will will be kept "safe" by our armed Federal government.

Posted by: Wendy at July 26, 2016 03:34 PM (bpemY)

401 I'm absolutely shocked!

Posted by: No One Ever at July 26, 2016 03:34 PM (M1MpJ)

402 They could go and round up every single person who failed to register after Sandy Hook but they have not. They have had 4 years and they have not arrested one single person for failure to register their guns and magazines. They are scared $hitless about what would happen if they started doing that.



Wait until DHS shows up. Then what do they do?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 03:35 PM (dLr9j)

403 "How does Hillary intend to accomplish this goal?"

Simple, have the 2nd amendment reinterpreted by Supreme Court. Militia will be redefined as something like the National Guard, then laws are passed saying that citizens cannot own firearms without demonstrating "need" and the government then defines "need."

Not hard at all.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2016 03:36 PM (eSQgj)

404 Governor Moonbeam signed 6 or 7 new gun laws recently. My magazines that held more than 10 rounds were un-grandfathered and we're supposed to turn them in. I'd do just that if they hadn't been lost at sea.
Point being, states gonna do what states do. We can take it to court. It could wind it's way all the way up to SCOTUS. Thankfully we have Justice Scalia riding herd up there.

Oh, wait.

Posted by: Hank at July 26, 2016 03:36 PM (wv7Zv)

405 They could go and round up every single person who failed to register after Sandy Hook but they have not. They have had 4 years and they have not arrested one single person for failure to register their guns and magazines. They are scared $hitless about what would happen if they started doing that.



Wait until DHS shows up. Then what do they do?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT




Even with non-compliance, owning an "outlawed" firearm is cold comfort.

If you ever take it out to go shooting, if some "friend" decides to drop a dime on you, you use it to protect yourself, a divorce, family squabble, etc.

I'm not handing my guns over but we can't pretend that these bans aren't a major setback.

Posted by: TP South at July 26, 2016 03:38 PM (Jzg4b)

406 A minimum wage is, by definition, anti-competitive, and will decrease employment among entry-level employees.

Sorry, but you cannot repeal basic economic law.




The true minimum wage is always zero.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 26, 2016 03:44 PM (rwI+c)

407 >>>Governor Moonbeam signed 6 or 7 new gun laws recently. My magazines that
held more than 10 rounds were un-grandfathered and we're supposed to
turn them in. I'd do just that if they hadn't been lost at sea.

Point being, states gonna do what states do. We can take it to
court. It could wind it's way all the way up to SCOTUS. Thankfully we
have Justice Scalia riding herd up there.



Oh, wait.
.
.
.
.That's a bad law and the State is required to reimburse you by making those magazines you lost illegal once the State had deemed them legal. That law should be smacked down when it is first challenged. But like you said, it is California.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 26, 2016 03:46 PM (iONHu)

408 That's a bad law and the State is required to reimburse you by making those magazines you lost illegal once the State had deemed them legal.

This thread needed some humor

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 03:52 PM (ngn8T)

409 My Soylent Gold(C) is people food!

Posted by: glen beck at July 26, 2016 04:05 PM (LdMbv)

410
The compliance rate with the safe act is hovering at about 2-2.5% right now.

They are soft pedaling enforcement right now, being pretty much unable to get county and local LEO on board.

Rumors abound about changes coming,but even with my connections (extremely trustworthy) I can't find out just what.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 26, 2016 04:07 PM (X35Yt)

411 312 Welp, time to buy more ammo...
This is getting old. Safe is getting crowded but I don't want to waste ammo $$ on a new safe.

Posted by: IP at July 26, 2016 03:09 PM (Fol9S)



Don't store ammo in a safe. Ammo isn't particularly dangerous in a fire, until it's in a confined space, like a weapon's chamber. Or, a safe.

Contact the various safe companies and fire departments to assure the veracity of the preceding statement.

Get a ventilated, surplus gym locker, and a good padlock. Bolt the locker to the floor. That's good ammo storage, and reasonable security, withal.

More room in the safe for guns, optics and other gear, anyway!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


and now, off to the nood.....

Posted by: Jim at July 26, 2016 04:12 PM (v5iqM)

412 410: Damn, irongrampa, I hadn't heard it was that low. That's a "Enforce only if you want to be hinging from a lamppost Mussolini-style" numbers. And that's a blue state. Imagine the compliance (lack thereof) in a red state.

Posted by: Jackal at July 26, 2016 04:12 PM (Lyh9/)

413 Given the mass stabbing incident in Japan today, I think our bigger concern should be knife crime, knife control, and the banning of knives.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at July 26, 2016 04:26 PM (u0f7+)

414 Re: the minimum wage

The minimum wage should be "res quantum valorem tantum vendi potest".

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at July 26, 2016 05:04 PM (u0f7+)

415 as soon as the secret service goes gunless for all politician security details, I will consider going gunless.

Posted by: talgus at July 26, 2016 05:40 PM (UaPF2)

416 This kind of talk is really dangerous to throw around. If the Democrats really want to start a civil war this is the way to do it. Who's going to grab 'em? The cops? The military? Brother against brother? Father against son? Are these liberals all of a sudden going to become proficient with firearms so they can take our guns away themselves? Good luck with that.

Posted by: Funeral Guy at July 26, 2016 09:26 PM (X9xMc)

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