NYT's New Ombudsman: Gee This Paper Sure is Stultifyingly Close-Minded

Oh, well, that's not exactly said -- just that the paper has the reputation of being stultifyingly close-minded liberal.

Like the tiresome bore at a party, I went around asking several journalists in the newsroom about these claims that The Times sways to the left. Mostly I was met with a roll of the eyes. All sides hate us, they said. We’re tough on everyone. That’s nothing new here.
That response may be tempting, but unless the strategy is to become The New Republic gone daily, this perception by many readers strikes me as poison. A paper whose journalism appeals to only half the country has a dangerously severed public mission. And a news organization trying to survive off revenue from readers shouldn’t erase American conservatives from its list of prospects.

No one here would tell me the ideological breakdown of The Times’s total audience or subscriber base, numbers that are considered proprietary. I know only that there is unease in at least a few offices about whether The Times feels sufficiently relevant to a broad slice of readers.
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For some print readers, the placement of an editorial calling for gun control on the front page last December, which garnered a record number of comments, was shrill proof of the kind of Times bias they expect. There was a torrent of debate over the appropriateness of its placement.
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Imagine what would be missed by journalists who felt no pressing need to see the world through others’ eyes. Imagine the stories they might miss, like the groundswell of isolation that propelled a candidate like Donald Trump to his party’s nomination. Imagine a country where the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world was viewed not as a voice that speaks to all but as one that has taken sides.

Or has that already happened?

Posted by: Ace at 01:41 PM

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Posted by: johnd01 at July 26, 2016 01:05 PM (ukNFU)

2 The NYT doesn't "sway" to the left. It grabs the wheel, cranks it over, mashes the accelerated and bellows out a rebel yell to the left.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:07 PM (8ZskC)

3 a skunk never smells its own stink

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 26, 2016 01:07 PM (/CIN4)

4 As to the last question, that happened many, many years ago.

Posted by: HH at July 26, 2016 01:08 PM (DrCtv)

5 Paper of record....with a skip in it.

Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2016 01:08 PM (x9c8r)

6 Imagine what would be missed by journalists who felt no pressing need to see the world through others' eyes.

Yeah. Imagine that.

*spit*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:08 PM (8ZskC)

7
Old NYT: All the news that's fit to print

New NYT: The tiresome bore at the party

Works for me!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:08 PM (BK3ZS)

8 Wouldn't line a bird cage with it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 26, 2016 01:09 PM (1ZOkK)

9 Did they reveal top secret docs on the front page for Obama like they did for Bush?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:09 PM (mBYZv)

10 NYT biased? Next you'll tell me MSLSD is not objective.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 26, 2016 01:09 PM (UPYhp)

11 Huh? Gay Good! Guns Bad! Cops Kill Blacks! Hill-A-Ree! Hill-A-Ree!

Posted by: Zombie L A Times, about to die at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (ucB75)

12 To the left? Hell, everyone I know thinks the Times swings way too far to the right.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (8ZskC)

13 A New York Times Ombudsman writing about bias at his own newspaper, thinks that Donald Trump was propelled to the nomination by a "groundswell of isolation".

How appropriate.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (FohCt)

14 Um, they're just figuring this out now? Doesn't that kind of confirm the whole cluelessness thing?

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (RD7QR)

15 Bias at the New York Times? Crazy talk.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

16 >>>>

Or has that already happened?

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It takes this guy seven seconds to realize that his hand is on a hot stove doesn't it?

Posted by: Buzzion at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (bMG0w)

17 Who was it the NYT had to bring in as their special pet conservative? I remember, it was someone to the Left of Rockefeller...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (mBYZv)

18 "Captain, the deck is getting awfully tilty. And wet."

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Salute the DNC with Bang a Gong, Gotterdammerung! at July 26, 2016 01:10 PM (hLRSq)

19 Yes, genius, that has already happened. I guess kudos for maybe having finally noticed?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (LYCUN)

20 Like the tiresome bore at a party, I went around asking several journalists in the newsroom about these claims that The Times sways to the left.

LOL. "sways"? "Sways" implies movement in both directions. And gentle movement, at that. No, "face-plants into the butt-hole of the left" is more accurate.

And I think the author was really looking for "sashays", anyway, but the Slimes folks aren't overly literate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (zc3Db)

21 Imagine a country where the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world was viewed not as a voice that speaks to all but as one that has taken sides.

The irony, she burns.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (8ZskC)

22 News media is owned by corporations. All corporations are run by Republicans. Therefore, news media is biased towards Republicans.

- liberal logic 101

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (7HtZB)

23 Or has that already happened?

ahahaa

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (qCMvj)

24
Who was it the NYT had to bring in as their special pet conservative? I remember, it was someone to the Left of Rockefeller.

David Brooks, AKA Creasey McCreaseyPants

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (BK3ZS)

25 Imagine what would be missed by journalists who felt no pressing need to see the world through others eyes. Imagine the stories they might miss, like the groundswell of isolation that propelled a candidate like Donald Trump to his partys nomination. Imagine a country where the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world was viewed not as a voice that speaks to all but as one that has taken sides.

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Imagine???? Does he think he's John Lennon.???

"Its easy if you try."

We dont have to imagine. We live in that world every.fucking.day.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (8XRCm)

26 Or has that already happened?

Perish the thought.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (326rv)

27 The Times doesn't 'sway' Left, it's far Left and pulling the reins as hard as it can in that direction.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (mBYZv)

28 no one is as biased as someone who refuses to even consider their own biases.

"We are hard on everyone." Sure, keep telling yourself that, pumpkin.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (3ZoRf)

29 Great Scott!

Ace managed to get this post up to 88 mph, and posted from the future.

Posted by: Doc Brown at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (H9MG5)

30
"I stay awake."
* * *

New Guy noses around, looks for mission, issues Bold Statement.

Minions glance up from keyboards, smile knowingly, go back to business as usual.

* * *
May the Lord keep Fleegle in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (pC96u)

31 >>A paper whose journalism appeals to only half the country has a
dangerously severed public mission. And a news organization trying to
survive off revenue from readers shouldn't erase American conservatives
from its list of prospects.

Gosh, sounds like Fox News' original approach: cater to the half of the country currently served by the NYT et. al..

Quick, ask the Ombudsman what he thinks of Fox News.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (NOIQH)

32 NYT=Through The Looking Glass

Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (3ZttN)

33 We don't sway in the breeze. Its more of a libration in a zephyr.

Posted by: NYT at July 26, 2016 01:12 PM (3e8zv)

34 I have a helpful suggestion that will never take place but whatevs.

The NYT should hire a writer based in Iowa who comes from an Evangelical Christian background who served in the military.

Since I am being energy efficient, presume linky to Iowahawk's Heart of Redness here.

I will give the new public editor credit for noting that the problem is not merely commission but omission. The NYT doesn't even know there are entire stories it misses.

Take, for example, the horror in Japan of the insane guy killing the disabled people. To the NYT, the story is how can this happen when Japan has gun control. Whereas to me, and many others I would know, this guy claimed to do it because the disabled should be euthanized and, other than methodology, how does the differ from what is being pushed by Singer, et al.

The NYT doesn't even know that's a question.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

35 It just seems odd to me to see people reading newspapers anymore.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (qUNWi)

36 He's gotta be trolling us.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (8ZskC)

37 Ace is blogging from the future.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (vg8iE)

38 New York Times website mainpage currently lists as Opinion Pages:

Hecklers for Trump: Whatever their motives, the Bernie-or-Bust crowd is siding with Citizens United, Big Coal, and the 1 percent.

First Woman to First Woman: Men need to help fend off sexism against Hillary Clinton, Australia's first female leader says.

An Imperfect First Gentleman: If Bill Clinton returns to the White House
as a presidential spouse, he will be novel in his well-documented
flaws.

Michelle Obama, Superhero: What it feels like to watch the First Lady shine.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (FohCt)

39 I have seen comments from even liberal Democrats that agree the NYT is biased. My position is they are not just biased, they are an active Democrat PR rag, as is almost all the large newspapers in the US and all the networks, and even the writes for movies and TV shows. IOW the MFM.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (mpXpK)

40 22 News media is owned by corporations. All corporations are run by Republicans. Therefore, news media is biased towards Republicans.
- liberal logic 101
Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (7HtZB)

Exactly. I've just that argument made. They seem to think there are free-range news media outlets.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (SRKgf)

41
in both directions. And gentle movement, at that. No, "face-plants into the butt-hole of the left...

...with tongue out, licking their lips and exclaiming, "Yum! Yum! Yum!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:14 PM (BK3ZS)

42 A sober, common sense, business like approach at the ole' grey lady??

The DEUCE!!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at July 26, 2016 01:14 PM (NpXoL)

43 Michelle Obama, Superhero: What it feels like to watch the First Lady shine.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (FohCt)

Spit polish?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 26, 2016 01:14 PM (SRKgf)

44 "That response may be tempting, but unless the strategy is to become The New Republic gone daily, this perception by many readers strikes me as poison."

I would read the old Michael Kelly-era New Republic over this rag any day.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 26, 2016 01:14 PM (OD2ni)

45

How many times were they on the brink of bankruptcy?

Who bailed them out?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:14 PM (qCMvj)

46 The NY Times subscriptions must be cratering again.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:15 PM (8ZskC)

47 >>The Times doesn't 'sway' Left, it's far Left and pulling the reins as hard as it can in that direction.

Also setting the tone for the rest of the media.

There was a time not that long ago that the network news people read the NYT in the morning to determine which stories they would be covering in their evening news broadcast. Their influence has no doubt diminished in an internet and 24x7 new channel world, but they still retain authority with so many in the industry.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 01:15 PM (NOIQH)

48 The NYTimes is perceived to be liberal because of the liberal salting of editorial opinion in the middle of news stories.

Instead of just reporting the dreary facts, colorful commentary is inserted. The article would be boring without it.

Describing Trump's numerous bankruptcies as an aside on US Fiscal policy for example. It discredits Trump, disqualifies him for president, and confims the liberal bias in the Times readership.

Do the same thing on any other political issue where public opinion is divided. Like televison, the news media thrives on controversy. Public outrage is the life blood of news. Without it, the news media would be ignored.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:15 PM (hQUve)

49 Reagan's line is so apropos The Times:

"It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so."

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2016 01:15 PM (r1fLd)

50
Imagine a country where the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world was viewed not as a voice that speaks to all but as one that has taken sides.

"the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world?" Oh, honey, the NYT isn't even the most powerful newsroom on Bleeker Street.

And we know you've taken sides. Speaking for myself, that doesn't bother me. What does bother me is your insistence, against all evidence, that you are impartial. You are not. You are Democrat operatives with bylines and deserve every bit of mockery that comes your way.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:15 PM (X6fMO)

51 I had hopes that Bezos would knock heads and straighten out WaPo. That clearly hasn't happened.

Posted by: pep at July 26, 2016 01:16 PM (3e8zv)

52 Michelle Obama, Superhero:

What it feels like to watch the First Lady shine

a turd.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:16 PM (dLr9j)

53 unless the strategy is to become The New Republic gone daily,

Outdated comparison. The NRO is just another liberal outlet now. Compare their front page to any traditional liberal site. No difference.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 26, 2016 01:16 PM (s/EUv)

54 As a smart guy I know put it, "the well-known New York alternative newspaper".

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 26, 2016 01:16 PM (XdbLA)

55 People stop listening to dishonest brokers, asshole.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:16 PM (8ZskC)

56 Bill Clinton...."well-documented
flaws."

Who knew sticking yer crooked little we-man in an intern would be considered a flaw, I always thought of it as a feature.

...The more you know.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 26, 2016 01:17 PM (NpXoL)

57 People who rely on the NYTimes for their news are constantly surprised by events. I know for a fact that there have been Democratic officials involved in controversies for months where the very first time the readers here about it is when the official resigns. They are all Wut??

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 26, 2016 01:17 PM (rwI+c)

58 "Imagine a country where the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world was viewed not as a voice that speaks to all but as one that has taken sides."

Ignoring the "greatest" silliness, yes, let's just imagine.

Or we could peruse the last 40+ years of their archives.

~~MFM~~ NYT delenda est.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 26, 2016 01:17 PM (1CroS)

59 "And we know you've taken sides. Speaking for myself, that doesn't bother me. What does bother me is your insistence, against all evidence, that you are impartial. You are not. You are Democrat operatives with bylines and deserve every bit of mockery that comes your way."

Right. I feel like Michael talking to Carlo about Sonny. "Stop telling me you're innocent. It insults me and makes me very angry."

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (OD2ni)

60 An Imperfect First Gentleman: If Bill Clinton returns to the White House as a presidential spouse, he will be novel in his well-documented flaws.

All of which have been thoroughly discredited.

Posted by: Andrea Mitchell at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (8ZskC)

61
Imagine what would be missed by journalists who felt no pressing need to see the world through others eyes. Imagine the stories they might miss, like the groundswell of isolation that propelled a candidate like Donald Trump to his partys nomination. Imagine a country where the greatest, most powerful newsroom in the free world was viewed not as a voice that speaks to all but as one that has taken sides.

Now imagine that newspaper digs its own grave, jumps in and pulls the dirt down upon itself.

Who will miss them?

* stone-cold silence *

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (BK3ZS)

62 News media is owned by corporations. All corporations are run by Republicans. Therefore, news media is biased towards Republicans.
- liberal logic 101
Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (7HtZB)

My new counter to that is "Facebook is a corporation. Zuckerberg runs Facebook. I didn't know he was a Republican, thank you for telling me!"

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (mf5HN)

63
I think its funny he had to even ask if the NYT was Leftist.

As if it was just a perception.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (ODxAs)

64 no matter how far to the left they go, lefties always think they are basically the 'moderates'

Posted by: mallfly SuPreme at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (qSIlh)

65 Walter Duranty's Pulitzer has still not been sent back.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (mBYZv)

66 Of course, the same can be said of the alphabet TV news. People who watch them actually know less than people who watch no news at all since half of what they think they know isn't so.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (rwI+c)

67 I see Ace's time machine is still fully functional.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at July 26, 2016 01:19 PM (X+nFp)

68 News media is owned by corporations. All corporations are run by Republicans. Therefore, news media is biased towards Republicans.

I remember them saying that when Ted Turner still owned CNN.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:19 PM (mBYZv)

69
I think its time for my reminder on "bias".

Bias is a subconcious slant that creeps into ones work product. Its a reflection of the subjects world view.

Spiking stories, lying, exaggerating, carrying water for one party over another, and altering facts to fit a pretermined narrative are all NOT BIAS. Its a conscious decision.

and ..... It IS corruption.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 01:20 PM (8XRCm)

70 My new counter to that is "Facebook is a corporation. Zuckerberg runs Facebook. I didn't know he was a Republican, thank you for telling me!"

GE is a corporation. And a FoO. Friend of Obola. Zero taxes.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:20 PM (dLr9j)

71 Lot of irony here.

You come back when lawndree done.

Posted by: Chinese Laundry manager at July 26, 2016 01:20 PM (RFeQD)

72 How's the hair, grammie winger?

Posted by: Infidel at July 26, 2016 01:20 PM (78TEp)

73 Happy Womb Liberation Day AtC!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:21 PM (dLr9j)

74
If you don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you are misinformed.

- - shit Mark Twain said, Vol. X

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:21 PM (X6fMO)

75 I love the cognitive dissonance.

"The NYT has a perception of being leftwing."

"Yeah, that's because they are leftwing. See these examples."

"Aha, you confirm my point. There indeed is perception that they are leftwing."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 26, 2016 01:21 PM (KUaJL)

76 "Groundswell of isolation." Funny. The NY Times' finger remains firmly on the pulse of absolutely nobody.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 26, 2016 01:22 PM (8ZskC)

77

It let them look inside my vajayjay. They love it!

Posted by: Hitlery Uber Alles at July 26, 2016 01:22 PM (qul7b)

78 If you don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you are misinformed.

- - shit Mark Twain said, Vol. X

If voting changed anything, they'd outlaw it.
--Vol XI

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:22 PM (LwB8i)

79 "Aha, you confirm my point. There indeed is perception that they are leftwing."

-----------------

what of the perception that they are a bunch of douche nozzles?

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 26, 2016 01:22 PM (/CIN4)

80 Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

The shibboleths of the leftist elite demonstrate their own insularity and ignorance of the world around them.

That they accept euthanasia, abortion at will, drug use by children (and a hundred other things) without question, as if they were part of the natural order of things, speaks to their lack of curiosity.

It is this way on the Upper West Side, therefore it is this way everywhere!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (Zu3d9)

81 That ombudsman is talking goofy. I don't know anybody who doesn't read and trust the NYT.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (1CroS)

82 64 no matter how far to the left they go, lefties always think they are basically the 'moderates'
----------------

Talked to a coworker who loved burnie because he thought Sanders was "a straight down the middle indy"

I scoffed and asked how a self avowed socialist who votes with the dims everytime is middle of the road?

The blank deer in the headlights look was priceless.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (Ffw22)

83 Thank you, rick!

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (mf5HN)

84 It's interesting that the article was published. What's the end game?

Posted by: Caliban at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (DrC22)

85 My new counter to that is "Facebook is a corporation. Zuckerberg runs Facebook. I didn't know he was a Republican, thank you for telling me!"
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (mf5HN)

*****

Tim Cook - Apple
Eric Schmidt - Google
Jeff Bezos - WaPo and Amazon

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (ESTIr)

86 Yeah, imagine...

This tool is an idiot. Albeit, a somewhat enlightened idiot, but an idiot nonetheless.

Posted by: Chi's on a cracker at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (6C8Gg)

87 Moderation in all things, especially introspection.

They are all moderately left of center, except when they are not.

And the largest stockholder of the New York Time Corp. is Carlos Slim, a Mexican billionaire, one of the richest men in a corporatist society, where drug cartels run rampant and murder people with impunity, and bribe people at all levels of government.

A new model of corporate governance.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (RFeQD)

88 Things have really gone down hill at the Grey Lady since my day.

Hey Sulzbergers! Here's an idea: Maybe leave the hidden lefty editorials out of the news side entirely! You can still demand collective farms on the editorial page, but perhaps reposrt the news with some semblance of "fair and balanced".

Oops- stop barfing!

Might even make some money for a change.

Posted by: Zombie Walter Duranty at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (/m8T6)

89

Rush was talking about Julian Assange's statement that he has something that could get Hillary arrested.

Can she be arrested after the SCOAMF leaves office, so a pardon couldn't happen? Or is that too late?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:24 PM (qCMvj)

90 I wouldn't mind the NYT so much if it just came out honestly as a leftist organ (take that any way you like), and drop the pretense of objectivity and even-handedness. Call it the New York Democrat-Times.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 26, 2016 01:24 PM (SRKgf)

91 We'd love to be able to get the New York Times.

We desperately need toilet paper.

Posted by: many Venezuelans at July 26, 2016 01:24 PM (H9MG5)

92 Fixerupper -- good point.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (qUNWi)

Posted by: the NYT - you can't spell NYT without YT at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (LdMbv)

94

Fauxie gave me a nice Heil Hitlery last night! Thanks sugar tits!

Posted by: Hitlery Uber Alles at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (qul7b)

95

Imagine a world where there are devices that have access to the sum of all human knowledge....and people use it to watch cat gifs and play angry birds.

Or has that already happened?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (X7E8f)

96 66 Of course, the same can be said of the alphabet TV news. People who watch them actually know less than people who watch no news at all since half of what they think they know isn't so.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (rwI+c)

Lately my mom, lifelong democrat but now Trumpist, keeps asking me "Where did you hear about that?" when I tell her of the latest terrorist outrage, dumb shit obamam said, etc. She only ever watched the nightly news for info.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (7HtZB)

97
Modern journalists want to be journalists because they want to make the world a better place. That is not reporting the news. It is trying to change what people think about the news.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (hQUve)

98 'I never thought I'd see the day when I, as a liberal, would start getting so frustrated with the one-sided reporting that I would start hopping over to the Fox News webpage to read an article and get the rest of the story that the NYT refused to publish,'

It's a start.

Too little too late though

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (/D5Lf)

99
"People do. "
* * *

unless the strategy is to become The New Republic gone daily, this perception by many readers strikes me as poison.
---------------------
I wonder how the New Republic feels about that.

* * *
May God keep Drooper in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (pC96u)

100 Talked to a coworker who loved burnie because he thought Sanders was "a straight down the middle indy"

I scoffed and asked how a self avowed socialist who votes with the dims everytime is middle of the road?

The blank deer in the headlights look was priceless.

Posted by: willy at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (Ffw22)

that's kind of what Rush was aluding to at the top of his show

he used to think the American people won't fall for this stuff from the dem party, but now he has doubts, and said he is sad at what he sees. The people believe it and live it. 40% of the country are gone.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (qCMvj)

101 Every so often, its valueable for all of us to stop and ask: "Am I what my opponents say I am?"

Am I bigoted, am I close minded, am I anti-science, am I misogynist, etc? Do they have a point and is there anything I should rethink or examine to make sure I am holding to a just, rational, virtuous position instead of simply reacting in anger, fear, or zealotry?

If you cannot or will not do that, you cannot truly be a good man or a good thinker. Virtue and truth require constant return and consideration, humility, and self-examination.

The left both cannot and will not do this. For them, it has become a faith, a religious fervor. To question this is to question the very foundations of everything they stand for and believe in, shattering their very comprehension of reality which is a very fearsome thing.

Further, it requires them to question and defy their commissars who issue statements of the latest official dogma. And if you cannot trust them, or what you've always believed, who can you trust, what is true and real? That is a very terrifying thing to deal with.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (39g3+)

102 This is laughable. The better inquiry is when, if ever, was the NYT anything but a liberal compost heap?

Posted by: Locke Common at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (1iqqd)

103 Interesting, I got TWO comments I made yesterday, posted today.

One answered the question.

Yes,

When you forgave a sitting democrat president for sexual harassment, you gave up your right to say you are unbiased.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (F1iXz)

104 Self-awareness really is like a slap in the face every now and again.

Posted by: Fritz at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (WYh6/)

105 He sounds like a guy in the heat of passion that reaches down and finds out the woman he's ravishing has a dick.

Posted by: Soona at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (Fmupd)

106 I see that Tim Lahaye has left us behind.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (nFdGS)

107 You get more evenhanded American news from The Guardian then you get from CBS.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 26, 2016 01:27 PM (rwI+c)

108 Try reading the comments on that ombudsman's article

The majority see the Times as too conservative and decry the perceived need of the Times' editors to pursue a "false equivalence" to give equal treatment to the earth-is-round and earth-is-flat theories of the universe.

Casting themselves, obviously, in the earth-is-round camp and conservatives in the earth-is-flat camp.

And the best of luck to you in your new role at the Times, Ms. Ombudsman

Posted by: crisis du jour at July 26, 2016 01:27 PM (KBMCn)

109 The NYT's real concern isn't about conservatives. I suspect the vast majority there think Donald Trump is the worst possible choice for president, running neck and neck with Ted Cruz.

No, I think the NYT is really worried about the Clinton/Bernie split in the liberal base. Right now, I bet the Berniebots consider the NYT to be Hillary's house organ. Back in the day, the NYT "brain trust" figured they could write off half the country and still make dough. Writing off half their subscribers, especially the YOUNG half, is whole different matter. Time to squeeze that Beanie Baby, Pinch!

Chocolate The Moose FTW!!! Wheeeeeeee!!

Posted by: mrp at July 26, 2016 01:27 PM (JBggj)

110 85 My new counter to that is "Facebook is a corporation. Zuckerberg runs Facebook. I didn't know he was a Republican, thank you for telling me!"
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:18 PM (mf5HN)
*****
Tim Cook - Apple
Eric Schmidt - Google
Jeff Bezos - WaPo and Amazon
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (ESTIr)

Howard Schulz - Starbucks
Target Corporation

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 26, 2016 01:27 PM (SRKgf)

111 75 I love the cognitive dissonance.

"The NYT has a perception of being leftwing."

"Yeah, that's because they are leftwing. See these examples."

"Aha, you confirm my point. There indeed is perception that they are leftwing."
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 26, 2016 01:21 PM (KUaJL)

Hah. Spot on.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:27 PM (3ZoRf)

112 Old fish refuse to be wrapped in the NYT. Claims it makes them smell bad.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (FtrY1)

113 Julian Assange's statement that he has something that could get Hillary arrested.

Julian, Julian, Julian.. sigh. You silly, silly boy.

Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (thyJJ)

114 Lately my mom, lifelong democrat but now Trumpist, keeps asking me "Where did you hear about that?" when I tell her of the latest terrorist outrage, dumb shit obamam said, etc. She only ever watched the nightly news for info.
Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:25 PM (7HtZB)

This is both my parents. My dad asks for links. And now he watches O'Reilly faithfully every night (but that is all they watch on Fox).

They are both voting for Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (qCMvj)

115 You just need to read Coulter's book Slander to document the Leftist bias of the NY Times. It's so obvious a 10th grader could document it for a term paper. It didn't need a hard hitting investigation or require subjectivity. It's objectively documented the minute you browse the front page .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (tL/BP)

116
Rush now saying the Ds are considering asking Bernie to nominate Hillary tonight.

Oh, I so hope he does! Sure, throw kerosene on that conflagration!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (BK3ZS)

117 Posted by: Locke Common at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (1iqqd)

The sad thing about the NYT is that with their resources they can produce excellent quality, comprehensive reporting. It's just that they so rarely write about non-political (as defined by the Left, which means pretty much everything) topics.

They know how to do it....they choose not to.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (Zu3d9)

118 Modern journalists want to be journalists because they want to make the world a better place. That is not reporting the news. It is trying to change what people think about the news.

They don't do this because they see the world as broken and want to help, as in times past many journalists did.

They do this because they think they have nothing new to learn or find out, and must share their enlightenment and absolute knowledge with a darkened and benighted people living in the past. They understand, you see, and we do not.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (39g3+)

119 No, I think the NYT is really worried about the Clinton/Bernie split in the liberal base. Right now, I bet the Berniebots consider the NYT to be Hillary's house organ. Back in the day, the NYT "brain trust" figured they could write off half the country and still make dough. Writing off half their subscribers, especially the YOUNG half, is whole different matter. Time to squeeze that Beanie Baby, Pinch!

Chocolate The Moose FTW!!! Wheeeeeeee!!
Posted by: mrp at July 26, 2016 01:27 PM (JBggj)

Making money won't be an issue when news outlets can restructure themselves as "non-profits." It's coming.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (7HtZB)

120 I see that Tim Lahaye has left us behind.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge

Fuck.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (oUkrT)

121 Have they returned Stalin's Pulitzer?

Right, fuck'em

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (ngn8T)

122 I used to read the Times for Russell Baker and the occasional A&L article that didn't threaten to cause a stroke, but lately it's hard to find any articles that I can force myself to read. Takes all the fun away when they stop trying to hide the spin.

Posted by: Caliban at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (DrC22)

123 Shut Up! they explained.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (rwI+c)

124
"Some people like attention."
* * *

"The NY Times is alienating its independent and open-minded readers, and in doing so, limiting the reach of their message and its possible influence."
-------------------

Wait, WHAT? Since when is a newspaper supposed to be "influential"? Just report the facts and bugger off.

* * *
May the Lord keep Snorky in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (pC96u)

125
Can she be arrested after the SCOAMF leaves office, so a pardon couldn't happen? Or is that too late?

She could still be tried by President Trump for the email stuff. The non-prosecution doesn't invoke double-jeopardy. I think she'll need a pardon anyway if she doesn't win this November.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (mBYZv)

126 This guy sounds like he was birthed 5 minutes ago.

Posted by: x at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (nFwvY)

127 105
He sounds like a guy in the heat of passion that reaches down and finds out the woman he's ravishing has a dick. and it is up his ass

Posted by: Soona at July 26, 2016 01:26 PM (Fmupd)

FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (F1iXz)

128 This time traveling blog is making me thirsty!

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (bDmeN)

129

When the Democrats are creating so many poor and peasant class dem voters, who will pay for a NYTimes subscription?

There aren't many left that can afford it.

My fil has one. He believes every word of it. What a waste of money.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (qCMvj)

130 Maybe the ombudsman should interview former Executive Editor Jill Abramson and ask her about the article she penned for The Guardian earlier this year saying that the Hillary email investigation, a story broken by the NYT by the way, was a partisan witch hunt and that Hillary is a "fundamentally honest" person.

Nah, no bias there.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

131 He's gotta be trolling us.

If I had to guess, it would be that they are afraid they are going to lose this election, and want to try to restore their reputation enough to affect the election more.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (2lndx)

132 Rush now saying the Ds are considering asking Bernie to nominate Hillary tonight.

Did they put that in an e-mail? Cause that'd be extra special.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (326rv)

133 116

Rush now saying the Ds are considering asking Bernie to nominate Hillary tonight.

Oh, I so hope he does! Sure, throw kerosene on that conflagration!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (BK3ZS)

Talk about having to eat a shit sandwich.Makes you wonder - what do they have on Bernie besides a desire to not die by "suicide"?

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (jxbfJ)

134 115 You just need to read Coulter's book Slander to document the Leftist bias of the NY Times. It's so obvious a 10th grader could document it for a term paper. It didn't need a hard hitting investigation or require subjectivity. It's objectively documented the minute you browse the front page .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (tL/BP)

I think I was in the 19th grade when I noticed my local paper had a bias. Any article about the military was against the armed forces, any article about Christians was against Christianity. Even to my young mind I realized that I wasn't getting the whole story.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (7HtZB)

135 The NYT has been covering up the crimes of the progressives and making false allegations against conservatives since at least the thirties and that's not going to stop now.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (Nwg0u)

136 She could still be tried by President Trump for the email stuff. The non-prosecution doesn't invoke double-jeopardy. I think she'll need a pardon anyway if she doesn't win this November.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (mBYZv)

thanks

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (qCMvj)

137 Water? What water?

Posted by: A. Fish at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (IqV8l)

138 This is both my parents. My dad asks for links. And now he watches O'Reilly faithfully every night (but that is all they watch on Fox).

They are both voting for Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (qCMvj)

Get your folks to come here

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (/D5Lf)

139 113 Julian Assange's statement that he has something that could get Hillary arrested.

Julian, Julian, Julian.. sigh. You silly, silly boy.
Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (thyJJ)

So he is a tease and has a death wish. Good to know.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (3ZoRf)

140 134 - 10th, not 19th grade. Stupid greasy salad dressing

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (7HtZB)

141 "64 no matter how far to the left they go, lefties always think they are basically the 'moderates'"

I have a co-worker that tries to push the latest John Oliver/Colbert destroyed something conservative narrative. Whenever pushed on it, he always retreats to his "I'm not political, I just think its funny." So annoying.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (OD2ni)

142

My Brown Panties enforcers are gonna burn down the Reichstaag, er, I mean the Center!

Posted by: Hitlery Uber Alles at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (qul7b)

143 NY Times biased? Gee, I don't know.

When was the last time they endorsed a Republican in an election?

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (syn4Y)

144
He sounds like a guy in the heat of passion that reaches down and finds out the woman he's ravishing has a dick. and it is up his ass

Change "woman" to "life" and that's how I feel whenever I'm unlucky enough to wake up in the morning.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (X6fMO)

145
Julian Assange's statement that he has something that could get Hillary arrested.

Julian, Julian, Julian.. sigh. You silly, silly boy.

Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (thyJJ)

Given recent event, that is extremely silly.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (3JA/M)

146 "The NYT has a perception of being leftwing."

That's like saying Alex has a reputation for not liking capes.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (qUNWi)

147 129

When the Democrats are creating so many poor and peasant class dem voters, who will pay for a NYTimes subscription?

There aren't many left that can afford it.

My fil has one. He believes every word of it. What a waste of money.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (qCMvj)
Aren't many left who want to read it, much less afford it.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (jxbfJ)

148 Rush now saying the Ds are considering asking Bernie to nominate Hillary tonight.

Oh, I so hope he does! Sure, throw kerosene on that conflagration!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (BK3ZS)

Talk about having to eat a shit sandwich.Makes you wonder - what do they have on Bernie besides a desire to not die by "suicide"?
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:31 PM (jxbfJ)

damned if you do, damned if you don't

I love this

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (qCMvj)

149 *Ring-ring*

Clue phone, it's for you, NYT!

Posted by: GuyfromNH at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (scUt2)

150 I think I was in the 19th grade when I noticed my local paper had a bias.

-----

Final year of your Doctorate???

Posted by: fixerupper at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (8XRCm)

151
I kinda hate people like Assange, not speaking of his other actions, but of people who claim they have evidence of something and say so, but never actually just release it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (ODxAs)

152 The Old Grey Lady smells of urine and unresolved diarrhea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (9mTYi)

153
Get your folks to come here

Just make sure they wear pants.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (X6fMO)

154 When was the last time they endorsed a Republican in an election?

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (syn4Y)

Does RINO Bloomberg count?

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (F1iXz)

155 If the NYT split uo their Lefty/righty newz 50/50 the lefties wouldn't read it anymore. They would feel.as though their rights had been infringed.

Posted by: Hank at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (wv7Zv)

156 Maybe I missed it -- were there email exchanges w/NYT personnel in the Wikileaks DNC email leak?

Because most major news organizations were shown to be totally partnering with the Democrat party. No credibility left to cling to.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (NOIQH)

157 145

Julian Assange's statement that he has something that could get Hillary arrested.

Julian, Julian, Julian.. sigh. You silly, silly boy.

Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (thyJJ)

Given recent event, that is extremely silly.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (3JA/M)

Still would make for some great reading though.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (jxbfJ)

158 I kinda hate people like Assange, not speaking of his other actions, but of people who claim they have evidence of something and say so, but never actually just release it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
-----------

Harry Reid

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (9mTYi)

159
141 You didn't say it right; it's

I have a co-worker that tries to push the latest John Oliver/Colbert destroyed something conservative narrative.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (BK3ZS)

160 "Try reading the comments on that ombudsman's article"

Yep. Many of the comments are pretty much, "Of course it's liberal. Facts are liberal and the Times reports facts."

Useless arguing with that. Only thing to do is point and laugh uproariously.

Posted by: spongeworthy at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (mrfTe)

161 This is both my parents. My dad asks for links. And now he watches O'Reilly faithfully every night (but that is all they watch on Fox).

They are both voting for Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (qCMvj)

Get your folks to come here

Posted by: RWC

Ewwwww. That'd be like seeing your parents at the teen hangout.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (+Q7pl)

162 They know how to do it....they choose not to.

Exactly. They have the resources and the talent, they have the skill and the knowledge. They just don't want to use it. They're not just lazy, they're intellectually corrupt.

Casting themselves, obviously, in the earth-is-round camp and conservatives in the earth-is-flat camp.

Correct. The left doesn't view the right as an alternative or a difference of opinion. They don't see this as two reasonable people having a disagreement. They see themselves as absolutely right, and hence anyone who disagrees as horrific, evil, corrupt, monstrous, and someone who not only needs to be wiped out, but never given any slightest degree of an audience.

They don't see it as True vs mistaken. They see it as Gandhi vs Hitler.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (39g3+)

163 >>>The people believe it and live it. 40% of the country are gone

More like 70% are already the nation of Idiocracy. Trump has managed to tap into the LIVs on the right, which embarrasses the Rockefeller wing of the GOP. Yes, yes, Trump has plenty of smart supporters - as does Bernie Sanders - but the real reason either one got so much traction is that they cornered the market on their respective LIV contingents.

Posted by: wooga at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (zH34X)

164 OT: The City Journal article in the sidebar is excellent.

Further evidence that our options now are limited to civil war or subjugation to left-totalitarianism.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (97XyN)

165 153

Get your folks to come here

Just make sure they wear pants.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (X6fMO)

That's a requirement here? <hastily throws on jeans exercising caution with the zipper>

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (jxbfJ)

166 >>I kinda hate people like Assange, not speaking of his other actions, but
of people who claim they have evidence of something and say so, but
never actually just release it.

Assange has released a lot over the past few years --- I wouldn't assume he won't deliver on his threat to Hillary.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (NOIQH)

167 We decide if Madame Secretary should be arrested.And the answer is no.
Your non biased DOJ

Posted by: steevy at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (B48dK)

168
When was the last time they endorsed a Republican in an election?

Did they endorse Bloomberg when he ran as a Republican?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:36 PM (IqV8l)

169 84 It's interesting that the article was published. What's the end game?
Posted by: Caliban at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (DrC22)

Cover. If they get criticism about their leftward bent in other contexts they can just point to this and say "We are aware of the issue!" So they immunize themselves.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 26, 2016 01:36 PM (RD7QR)

170 Odd that lack of minorities in a company is considered 100% rock-solid, res ipsa loquitur proof of discrimination, yet none of the MSM would dare attempt to correct the lack of conservatives in their organizations.

Even if one tried, they'd have a obvious excuse in the sparsity of conservatives graduating from J-school, and discard the effort. "Oh, well. No conthervatith are smert enough to join uth~!"

***
It's been said many times before, if someone wanted to create a dominating presence in the media world, one would only have to hire people with 10 years experience in a technical field and then train them to write rather than hoping/wishing/expecting J-school grads to master a topic in 3 hours.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 26, 2016 01:36 PM (VY8H5)

171 Julian Assange's statement that he has something that could get Hillary arrested.

Julian, Julian, Julian.. sigh. You silly, silly boy.

Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (thyJJ)

Given recent event, that is extremely silly.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:32 PM (3JA/M)

Still would make for some great reading though.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:34 PM (jxbfJ)

Maddening, insomnia inducing reading anyway:-P

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:36 PM (3JA/M)

172 Wait, Bloomberg is a Republican?

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 01:36 PM (syn4Y)

173 167 We decide if Madame Secretary should be arrested.And the answer is no.
Your non biased DOJ

State laws are a bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:36 PM (+Q7pl)

174 >>>smells of urine and unresolved diarrhea.

Ah, that takes me back to 2012!

Posted by: Huma Abedin at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (zH34X)

175 As was posted on the downstairs thread, the DNC is in talks with Bernie to get him to actually do the official nominating of Hillary Clinton. For party unity and all I guess.

If he does that, it will demonstrate unequivocally that his candidacy was simply a way to bring cover to Hillary's move to the further left. He was never a serious candidate, as was demonstrated by his refusal to say what was the truth against Hillary. But this would completely sever the loyalty of his Bernie Bots. They will wander off and vote for Gary Johnson or the Green chick. The DNC will have shut them up, and Bernie can hop on a private jet to a few Hillary rallies and be assured that he won't be destroyed by the Democrats either in Congress or by prosecution of his wife for her college fraud or the likely campaign finance problems lurking in his campaign.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (Zz6ul)

176 Water? What water?
Posted by: A. Fish
------------

Bubble? What bubble?

Posted by: Mr. Bubble at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (9mTYi)

177 Who does Julian think he's kidding? There isn't anything that gets a Clinton thrown in jail.
They're like the Kennedys now.

Posted by: Hank at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (wv7Zv)

178 The NY Times doesn't "sway" to the left. It "careens", knocking over several garbage cans and a traffic light in the process....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (wkPBv)

179 This is both my parents. My dad asks for links. And now he watches O'Reilly faithfully every night (but that is all they watch on Fox).

They are both voting for Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:28 PM (qCMvj)

Get your folks to come here

Posted by: RWC

And get my mouth washed out with soap?

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (7HtZB)

180

So tonight is going to push more hate and vitriol at cops.

They are evil.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (qCMvj)

181 ....or the Green chick....

like, from Star Trek?

Posted by: LIV at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (ZQfW9)

182 As was posted on the downstairs thread, the DNC is in talks with Bernie to get him to actually do the official nominating of Hillary Clinton. For party unity and all I guess.

So seizing the bernie signs and demanding obedience was the warm up act?

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (326rv)

183 >>Assange has released a lot over the past few years --- I wouldn't assume he won't deliver on his threat to Hillary.

Assange was saying before Comey came out with his recommendation to not prosecute that he had info that should get Hillary indicted but he doubted it would ever happen for obvious reasons.

If that is the case, much better to wait until she gets the nomination when it is too late, practically anyway, to replace her. I expect that the Russians are going to release some more stuff that is personally damaging her after the nomination as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (/tuJf)

184 The name of Rochester, New York's newspaper is honest in its bias: "The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle".

Posted by: Pyrocles at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (MYMcU)

185 heh, temp gop

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (syn4Y)

186 Benji Carver: "Whenever pushed on it, he always retreats to his 'I'm not political, I just think its funny.'"

Your coworker isn't named, by coincidence, Jon Stewart is he?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (1CroS)

187 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (39g3+)

Everytime I discuss politics with a liberal, regardless of what facts I tell them, they say "well you can believe what you want, but you are still wrong"

The minute they have the impression that I'm conservative, I'm wrong. I could agree with them and I'd be wrong because they aren't going to listen to a thing I say.

Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (thyJJ)

188

Can't wait to start making lampshades out of white male Repubs!

Posted by: Hitlery Uber Alles at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (qul7b)

189 125

Can she be arrested after the SCOAMF leaves office, so a pardon couldn't happen? Or is that too late?

She could still be tried by President Trump for the email stuff.
The non-prosecution doesn't invoke double-jeopardy. I think she'll need
a pardon anyway if she doesn't win this November.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:30 PM (mBYZv)

I posted a link a few days ago to an article that said several States and a few foreign counties are looking into her and Bubba's shame charity. If she is charged with a State crime of a foreign crime O'Turd can not pardon her.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 01:39 PM (mpXpK)

190 165 153

Get your folks to come here

Just make sure they wear pants.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:33 PM (X6fMO)

That's a requirement here?
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (jxbfJ)

Only on the book thread

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:39 PM (7HtZB)

191 175, you're right. His candidacy was a sham. The goal was always electing Clinton, something more than a few people around here said of Trump's.....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2016 01:39 PM (wkPBv)

192 177 Who does Julian think he's kidding? There isn't anything that gets a Clinton thrown in jail.
They're like the Kennedys now.
Posted by: Hank at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (wv7Zv)

Unless he has an audio recording of her literally ordering the murder of someone. Even then, the media and supporters would start running interference: saying it does not sound like her, why would she do something like that. The Target was an asshole.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:39 PM (3ZoRf)

193 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 26, 2016 01:39 PM (mpXpK)

oh please, please, please

Posted by: gapoz at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (thyJJ)

194 Cover. If they get criticism about their leftward bent in other contexts they can just point to this and say "We are aware of the issue!" So they immunize themselves

Yep, it's like the FBI investigating themselves over the investigation of the Clinton email security accidents and finding that the FBI investigation did everything they were expected to do.

and like humpty dumpty, what I said is what I meant, and what I meant is what I wrote.

It's rhetoric, not science.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (hQUve)

195 I kinda hate people like Assange, not speaking of his other actions, but
of people who claim they have evidence of something and say so, but
never actually just release it.

Assange has released a lot over the past few years --- I wouldn't assume he won't deliver on his threat to Hillary.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM (NOIQH)

I think it is about the timing. And intimidation. He must hate her with a burning passion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (qCMvj)

196 As was posted on the downstairs thread, the DNC is
in talks with Bernie to get him to actually do the official nominating
of Hillary Clinton. For party unity and all I guess.

So seizing the bernie signs and demanding obedience was the warm up act?

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (326rv)

RNC and Trump pulled that same shit... uniparty indeed.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)

197 Rush now saying the Ds are considering asking Bernie to nominate Hillary tonight.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:29 PM (BK3ZS)

Talk about getting bent over and driven hard!

Heh! Couldn't happen to a better person. It would show clearly what a sellout Sanders really is, and who drives the bus at the DNC.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (i0ykY)

198 >>It's interesting that the article was published. What's the end game?

Think it's kinda like going to confession for them, but without the burden of then acting on it.

Reminds me of how the media will do ridiculous, flood-the-zone tabloid reporting, like the orgy of stories when Michael Jackson died or Natalie whatsername was murder while on vacation. Then they'll pivot to a bunch of navel-gazing, "gee, we kinda went overboard on that" stories about themselves. Then they forgive themselves so that they're primed and ready for the next media orgy with a clean conscious.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 26, 2016 01:41 PM (NOIQH)

199 Bernie already endorsed Hilly, it really got this firestorm going. Do they think him nominating her is going to have the opposite effect?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:41 PM (mBYZv)

200 If that is the case, much better to wait until she gets the nomination when it is too late, practically anyway, to replace her. I expect that the Russians are going to release some more stuff that is personally damaging her after the nomination as well.
Posted by: JackStraw

If she loses, the left will seethe, ad hate the rest of the country all the more, because she was "robbed".

If she manages to win, the drip, drip, drip continues. No ally will trust her, and her enemies will ridicule her.

it's as if our main foe has experience in diplomacy and intelligence work.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:41 PM (326rv)

201
I think it is about the timing. And intimidation. He must hate her with a burning passion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (qCMvj)

As should anyone with any sort of a moral compass... even if it misfires occasionally.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:41 PM (3JA/M)

202 I can buy that the Russians are behind the wikileaks. But why?
If Putin thinks he can roll Trump, just add his name to the list of people who underestimated him.....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (wkPBv)

203 Or has that already happened?

How facetious. How cute.

What utter bullshit.
She knows better, and this is damage control made public.

With hopes, of course, that her paper can be more clever in their bias.
The better to fool the rubes she hopes to attract so as to keep a rightly dying beast alive.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (kKHcp)

204 The DailyMail UPDATE on the Normandy Catholic Church atrocity:

One of the nuns who survived the attack:

"'They recorded themselves. They did a sort of sermon around the altar, in Arabic. It's a horror,' she told BFM television.

Posted by: mrp at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (JBggj)

205 Heh! Couldn't happen to a better person. It would show clearly what a sellout Sanders really is, and who drives the bus at the DNC.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (i0ykY)

Exactly, right now a lot of Sander's supporters are pissed at him volunteering to be Hillary!s throw rug. How do they think him nominating her will help?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (3ZoRf)

206 Prada was less biased.

Posted by: Benko at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (5FKUO)

207 It's interesting that the article was published. What's the end game?
Posted by: Caliban
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A pro forma 'self-questioning'. You see, they have virtuously raised the question themselves, answered it with a 'thoughtful' "No, no... we're fine". So, that's that, everything is as it should be.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (9mTYi)

208

I paid off Bernie with the Ambassadorship to the USSR, er, I mean Russia!

He loves him some Commies!

Posted by: Hitlery Uber Alles at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (qul7b)

209 Bernie already endorsed Hilly, it really got this firestorm going. Do they think him nominating her is going to have the opposite effect?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:41 PM (mBYZv)

all of these little liv socialists are getting a slap on the face - the ultimate wake up call to politics

the looks on their faces... they had no idea

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:43 PM (qCMvj)

210 I posted a link a few days ago to an article that said several States and a few foreign counties are looking into her and Bubba's shame charity. If she is charged with a State crime of a foreign crime O'Turd can not pardon her.

And the DOJ has no say in prosecution/not prosecuting.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:43 PM (LwB8i)

211 Exactly, right now a lot of Sander's supporters are pissed at him volunteering to be Hillary!s throw rug. How do they think him nominating her will help?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:42 PM (3ZoRf)

those that are THAT deflated will not vote
would you?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qCMvj)

212 I think it is about the timing. And intimidation. He must hate her with a burning passion.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:40 PM (qCMvj)

I think it's blackmail. Promise me asylum or I release.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (mf5HN)

213 those that are THAT deflated will not vote
would you?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qCMvj)

Yes. But just not for her.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (3ZoRf)

214 I think it is about the timing. And intimidation. He must hate her with a burning passion.

How could he not?

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qUNWi)

215

I need my coffee nap.

lol

/waves

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qCMvj)

216 I can buy that the Russians are behind the wikileaks. But why?

If Putin thinks he can roll Trump, just add his name to the list of people who underestimated him.....
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Kosovo

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (3Liv/)

217

Assange, still living in the mumble embassy? Last I read he was living free, somewhere, on someone.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (hQUve)

218 I'd like an amendment to the Constitution that disallows anyone that attended Harvard Law from running for any public office. ANY office.

Posted by: Hank at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (wv7Zv)

219 Prada was less biased.

That's why the Devil wore it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (mBYZv)

220 So seizing the bernie signs and demanding obedience was the warm up act?

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:38 PM (326rv)

RNC and Trump pulled that same shit... uniparty indeed.
Posted by: redbanzai

Geepers....I don't recall seizing any signs. Do you?

Is this one of those "totalitarian tendencies" you were going on about yesterday?

Maybe I'll read all about it in the NYT.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (326rv)

221 Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (mf5HN)

With all due respect Queen, that would require a win in November.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (i0ykY)

222 "'They recorded themselves. They did a sort of sermon around the altar, in Arabic. It's a horror,' she told BFM television.
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There's something in Revelation like that, as I recall

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (3Liv/)

223 Merkin. Not throw-rug.

Posted by: the NYT - you can't spell NYT without YT at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (LdMbv)

224 Omsbudsman is link whoring.

These people know they are liberal and write a liberal paper. They also believe they write the truth because in their mind the truth has a liberal bent.

Posted by: blaster at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (UWzjE)

225 As should anyone with any sort of a moral compass... even if it misfires occasionally.
Posted by: redbanzai
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One might forgive Bernie for naively embracing a false economic/social philosophy, but to kowtow and embrace evil that he knows to be evil, is unforgivable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:46 PM (9mTYi)

226 221 Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (mf5HN)
With all due respect Queen, that would require a win in November.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (i0ykY)

AND good faith on Hillary's part.

I don't see any problem.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 26, 2016 01:46 PM (SRKgf)

227
Who does Julian think he's kidding? There isn't anything that gets a Clinton thrown in jail.
They're like the Kennedys now.
Posted by: Hank at July 26, 2016 01:37 PM (wv7Zv)
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He might be able to keep her out of office. That, y'know, is still, y'know, possible, y'know.

Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at July 26, 2016 01:47 PM (pC96u)

228 I with The Pope should call for a New Crusade. Invite The Protestants and Orthodox too if they wish. All Christians.
If Frankie can't bring himself, get Benedict to do it.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2016 01:47 PM (wkPBv)

229 How could he not?
Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 01:44 PM (qUNWi)

I have a hard time believing that anyone has a true liking for her. From all reports her private persona is even more repugnant than her public one. The only one I can still understand is Chelsea. You only have the one set of parents- even if they are two of the most inveterate liars and conmen from the later half of the 20th century.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:47 PM (3ZoRf)

230 I had a fantasy last night while watching Bernie. It was that he went completely off the reservation and called for a coup on the DNC.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:48 PM (9mTYi)

231 Its not impossible that the wikileaks guys just see Hillary as a monster that must be stopped, even if they are left-leaning normally. They aren't all mindless zealots.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:48 PM (39g3+)

232 They don't see it as True vs mistaken. They see it as Gandhi vs Hitler.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM

===

It has long been my observation (not an original one) that being leftist/ progressive/ commie/ whatever means that, by your basic premise/ choice (think "vegan") you have attained moral superiority. You can therefore not sin, and all sense of sin or guilt must devolve to the other, that is, the conservative.

I saw this years ago in the feminist family members who no longer speak to me. They are all delusional and, when the EBT cards and internet go dark, they will look around with the same confusion as the members of the Czarist court when faced with their executioners.

Posted by: Lurkette at July 26, 2016 01:48 PM (PLmfk)

233 Maybe if Putin declared himself to be a Communist the Democrats would stop criticizing him.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:48 PM (IqV8l)

234 I had a fantasy last night while watching Bernie. It was that he went completely off the reservation and called for a coup on the DNC.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc

if he was planning on retiring, maybe.

Otherwise, he and his wife owe their existence to government coffers.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:49 PM (326rv)

235 Let's be candid here. We all know how smart journalists are. Look at Shep Smith. He knows EVERYTHING, even to the point of being qualified to harangue us when we don't understand things like waterboarding being torture.

Cathy Crowley is so smart she was able to correct Mitt Romney in a debate she was moderating. You can't be no mental slouch and pull that off.

Let's take it easy on the NYT. They've got journalists. And journalists are wicked smart.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 01:49 PM (4ng05)

236
Exactly, right now a lot of Sander's supporters are pissed at him volunteering to be Hillary!s throw rug. How do they think him nominating her will help?

More like Hillary's jerksock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2016 01:49 PM (X6fMO)

237 Its not impossible that the wikileaks guys just see Hillary as a monster that must be stopped, even if they are left-leaning normally. They aren't all mindless zealots.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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The weird thing is, a true Liberal would be frightened out of their wits by the Progressive takeover of America.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:50 PM (9mTYi)

238 Maybe if Putin declared himself to be a Communist the Democrats would stop criticizing him.

I think Lenin was the last true believing communist leader of The Soviet Union/Russia.
It's all about power. Getting it, using it, maintaining it....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2016 01:50 PM (wkPBv)

239 They aren't all mindless zealots.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:48 PM (39g3+)

Show your work.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 26, 2016 01:50 PM (i0ykY)

240 24
Who was it the NYT had to bring in as their special pet conservative? I remember, it was someone to the Left of Rockefeller.

David Brooks, AKA Creasey McCreaseyPants
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2016 01:11 PM (BK3ZS)

To be fair, they also have Ross Douthat. Even as late as May he was still fantasizing about a Romney resurgence, but the man is a valuable asset as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Hal at July 26, 2016 01:50 PM (9+Yad)

241 Exactly, right now a lot of Sander's supporters are pissed at him volunteering to be Hillary!s throw rug. How do they think him nominating her will help?

They lost the convention; they are thinking about the MFM image for the rest of the campaign.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:50 PM (326rv)

242 From Gates of Vienna: Anne Marie Waters of Sharia Watch needs some votes to help get her book published.

http://tinyurl.com/jn5lkah

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at July 26, 2016 01:51 PM (nFdGS)

243 Assange and his team were allegedly just opposed to all the secrets being kept and crap going on behind the scenes, too. If that's their pure motivation, then who they hurt or help is kind of irrelevant; its about tearing the wall down.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:51 PM (39g3+)

244 The DNC has flags now, but they're way off to the side almost hidden by the stage structure.

Assholes.

Posted by: Soona at July 26, 2016 01:51 PM (Fmupd)

245 "The weird thing is, a true Liberal would be frightened out of their wits by the Progressive takeover of America."

The people who call themselves "liberal" are not really Liberal.
They are partners in whatever the progressives are doing.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2016 01:52 PM (wkPBv)

246 They don't see it as True vs mistaken. They see it as Gandhi vs Hitler.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:35 PM

Every liberal we know, deep down, thinks that we're either an idiot or evil.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:52 PM (7HtZB)

247 Assange and his team were allegedly just opposed to all the secrets being kept and crap going on behind the scenes, too. If that's their pure motivation, then who they hurt or help is kind of irrelevant; its about tearing the wall down.

As someone else noted, the media loves drama and presenting stuff first. Sure, the left buries crap. But if there's a perception that the info will get disseminated, then the urge to present first wins out.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:53 PM (326rv)

248 Hmm... This story seems familiar. Let's check the archives.

THE PUBLIC EDITOR; Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?

By DANIEL OKRENT JULY 25, 2004

OF course it is.

http://tinyurl.com/jkdrbt6
(NYT)

He goes on to say more stuff that sounds much like this new stuff by this new guy. I suppose if you have those handy archives, you might as well mine them once in a while.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 26, 2016 01:53 PM (R+30W)

249 Cathy Crowley is so smart she was able to correct Mitt Romney in a debate she was moderating. You can't be no mental slouch and pull that off.
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Rachel Maddow [to John Bohner] on live TV - "There is no such thing as The Preamble to the Constitution."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2016 01:53 PM (9mTYi)

250 231 Its not impossible that the wikileaks guys just see Hillary as a monster that must be stopped, even if they are left-leaning normally. They aren't all mindless zealots.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:48 PM (39g3+)

A fair point. We are so used to people backstabbing, double dealing, and being dishonorable that we would not recognize a principled man if he walked up and slapped us.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:53 PM (3ZoRf)

251 The reporters of the NYT would make fine NASCAR drivers with just a little training. They already have the whole turning left thing down pat.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 26, 2016 01:54 PM (WTK7p)

252 The only one I can still understand is Chelsea. You only have the one set of parents- even if they are two of the most inveterate liars and conmen from the later half of the 20th century.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:47 PM (3ZoRf)

I'm thinking the apple hasn't really fallen far from the tree.

Posted by: Hal at July 26, 2016 01:54 PM (9+Yad)

253 Show your work.

Hitchens, Orwell, et al. Even people such as Charles Barkley. They are rare and astonishing, but out there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:54 PM (39g3+)

254 To be fair, they also have Ross Douthat. Even as late as May he was still fantasizing about a Romney resurgence,
Posted by: Hal at July 26, 2016 01:50 PM (9+Yad)

General Steiner is coming.

Posted by: josephistan at July 26, 2016 01:54 PM (7HtZB)

255
"Maybe you don't want Zuwanie at the U.N. "
* * *

I'm going to need a thread on this New Hotness about Putin buying the White House for Obama. It makes no sense to me, none.

Rush gave a lengthy, detailed rundown on why some people or other consider it completely unlikely about ten minutes ago, withOUT giving the punchline as to why it's true. GRRRFMMPHH.

* * *
May God keep Drooper in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 01:54 PM (pC96u)

256 Every liberal we know, deep down, thinks that we're either an idiot or evil.

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That's okay. I think they are either mentally ill or dishonest.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (hQUve)

257 It is hard to credit bottomless self-ignorance as portrayed by this NYT representative.

It is certainly much easier for people to point out examples in their lives of pathological liars who say whatever non-credible thing they think they need to at any given time.

What to *do* about that seems to be a mystery when the offense is not easily actionable. I mean, calling a pathological liar, or worse a *group* of pathological liars, liars, is kind of wasted breath.

I mean, I guess one's philosophy could encompass all sorts of unethical crap, like "it's not criminal if you don't get prosecuted," or "the ends justify the means." Maybe even lying about your philosophy.

People have become very good at describing problems, perhaps at the expense of solving them.

As far as roots of problems, consider Marxism describes itself as the "last ideology" in a similar way that Islam decrees itself the "last religion." I think that's interesting.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (wB8Tg)

258
I'm going to need a thread on this New Hotness about Putin buying the White House for Obama.
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TRUMP TRUMP, I mean Trump, not Obama.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (pC96u)

259 The New York Times: All The News That Fits The Narrative.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (iIzG7)

260 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (IqV8l)

261 Comcast asking the biting question: Will serial philanderer and impeached President, Bill Clinton's speech change the election?

I'm certain, that as far as Comcast is concerned, even if he came out on stage and raped an under aged prostitute, yeah, THE SPEECH WAS TEH AWESOME!!!!

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 01:56 PM (4ng05)

262 Leftist morality is written by their politics.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:56 PM (mBYZv)

263 I'm shocked, I say I'm shocked that there is bias going on at the NYT...

Posted by: IP at July 26, 2016 01:56 PM (Fol9S)

264
I'm going to need a thread on this New Hotness about Putin buying the White House for Obama.

He bought a house which was built by slaves.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (IqV8l)

265 260 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (IqV8l)

Who is afraid?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (3ZoRf)

266
I'm going to need a thread on this New Hotness about Putin buying the White House for Obama.

He bought a house which was built by slaves.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (IqV8l)
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Dammit dammit dammit I meant Trump, not Obama.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (pC96u)

267 Geepers....I don't recall seizing any signs. Do you?

Is this one of those "totalitarian tendencies" you were going on about yesterday?

Maybe I'll read all about it in the NYT.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty Pulitzer prize winner and ass reporter for the NYT at July 26, 2016 01:45 PM (326rv)

I don't think signs were an issue (conservatives don't roll like SJW) but Trump went out of his way to join with the GOPe and change the rules so us grassroots proles are silenced in future conventions... and then there were the threats against Cruz delegates. There was also intimidation and threats against grassroots committee members. And blatant cheating during floor votes.

Not to mention Trump supporters losing their everloving minds over Cruz refusing to endorse (something the same people took great pleasure in making fun of Bernie for doing yesterday).

But other than that and most of their policies, the RNC and the DNC (and their candidates) are nothing alike.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (3JA/M)

268 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

.27 cent gallon of gas? Bring it.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 01:58 PM (dLr9j)

269 Hmm... This story seems familiar. Let's check the archives.

THE PUBLIC EDITOR; Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?

By DANIEL OKRENT JULY 25, 2004

OF course it is.

http://tinyurl.com/jkdrbt6
(NYT)

He goes on to say more stuff that sounds much like this new stuff by this new guy. I suppose if you have those handy archives, you might as well mine them once in a while.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

PLAGERISM!!!!

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 01:58 PM (ngn8T)

270
I'm going to need a thread on this New Hotness about Putin buying the White House for Obama.
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TRUMP TRUMP, I mean Trump, not Obama.

I'm not sure a correction is necessary. All those foreign contributions came from somewhere.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 26, 2016 01:58 PM (mBYZv)

271
I can buy that the Russians are behind the wikileaks. But why?

The Clinton camp is saying its revenge for her supporting a challenge to Putin's bid forhis third run at the presidency of Russia back in 2011

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (lKyWE)

272 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

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That's just crazy talk. When Trump gets elected we are going to be working overtime, making deals, building infrastructure. People will be working, spending, and the economy will be booming.

It's hyperinflation we have to be worried about. All those dollars sloshing around the global suddenly coming home to roost.

We have no inflation right now because no one is working. When Trump puts everyone to work, look out. Demand for everything will be huge. Prices will explode.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (hQUve)

273 Yeah the gas prices and oil. Its a total coincidence that the Saudis who love Hillary have dumped their fuel prices to $50 a barrel.

A sing of the weakness of the USA leadership and how the world perceives it: how many forces are trying to game and manipulate the US election. They wouldn't have even dared in the past.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

274 Sigh same old shit from the same old people

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:00 PM (zp+j1)

275 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (IqV8l)

Who is afraid?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (3ZoRf)

OPEC and people like Obama who wants high gas prices to "fundamentally transform" people's lives.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:00 PM (3JA/M)

276 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

My 4.6-liter V-8 and I are doing our level best to alleviate that glut. By burning off as much excess petroleum as we can.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 26, 2016 02:00 PM (iIzG7)

277 Putin's mind controllers in the old KGB psych wards influenced the DNC to write all those emails ...

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:00 PM (ngn8T)

278 Yeah the gas prices and oil. Its a total
coincidence that the Saudis who love Hillary have dumped their fuel
prices to $50 a barrel.

A sing of the weakness of the USA leadership and how the world
perceives it: how many forces are trying to game and manipulate the US
election. They wouldn't have even dared in the past.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

They are trying to destroy the fracking industry... its not working out for them real well.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:01 PM (3JA/M)

279 Post a pic from Weasel Zippers of a huge Pali Flag at the DNC for all my Jewish Friends and family voting for them. Assholes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:01 PM (zp+j1)

280 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

My 4.6-liter V-8 and I are doing our level best to alleviate that glut. By burning off as much excess petroleum as we can.

I've paid a $1.09 for the last two fill ups thanks to the Kroger loyalty card and .90 off.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 26, 2016 02:01 PM (dLr9j)

281
"How do you feel about him? "
* * *

I can buy that the Russians are behind the wikileaks. But why?

The Clinton camp is saying its revenge for her supporting a challenge to Putin's bid forhis third run at the presidency of Russia back in 2011
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (lKyWE)
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Why would she have done that? I thought she reset everything so it was all hunky-dory.

But anyway, I CAN'T buy that the Russkies are behind the leak unless there's a good reason, and right now I can't see a good reason.

* * *
May God keep Bingo in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 02:01 PM (pC96u)

282 Putin thought Clinton had given him a Release Button.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 26, 2016 02:01 PM (tL/BP)

283 271
I can buy that the Russians are behind the wikileaks. But why?

The Clinton camp is saying its revenge for her supporting a challenge to Putin's bid forhis third run at the presidency of Russia back in 2011
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (lKyWE)

My point about all of this is: The Russians may have leaked these to hurt Hillary and the dems. Who gives a shit?

THE DEMS ARE THE ONE WHO WROTE THE DAMAGING EMAILS! They are not arguing that the emails are falsified, just that they were leaked improperly.

If they were really worried about the content, maybe don't write the fricking content in the first place.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (3ZoRf)

284 Take a look at the intellectual rigor on display here. Imagine that the NYT were investigating a story about corruption, or a corporation flouting EPA regulations. Would they ask the party in question if they are guilty of the accusations, and then take their word for it if they proclaimed innocence?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (KUaJL)

285 A fair point. We are so used to people backstabbing, double dealing, and being dishonorable that we would not recognize a principled man if he walked up and slapped us.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 01:53 PM (3ZoRf)

Well, if there's a principled man involved, it isn't Assange.

Look, I appreciate the information, but even ignoring externalities like putting one's dick in unwelcome places, WL has a history of careless disclosure against the West that causes little complications like death (previous intelligence leaks that did not redact identification of ME sources working for the US).

I'm still not sure why the DNC didn't deny the e-mails were real. That would be their style.

All that being said, I think WL is way more InfoWars AltLeft than Left. They probably search every dump they get for "9/11 inside job" before they release it, hoping against hope. So I can see them being down on the Clintons from the POV that their hideous corruption and lack of prosecution for *decades* makes them about the best conspiracy target ever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (wB8Tg)

286 Putin's mind controllers in the old KGB psych wards influenced the DNC to write all those emails ...
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:00 PM (ngn8T)

Diabolical.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (4ng05)

287 They are trying to destroy the fracking industry... its not working out for them real well.

Well that too but they lurve and control Hillary, and low gas prices historically in the past have helped the party in power win elections. Hasn't been true for a while now, but who knows?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (39g3+)

288 Has anyone here heard of the Tigerlady Defense Tool?

https://www.tigerlady.com/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 02:03 PM (IqV8l)

289 OPEC and people like Obama who wants high gas prices to "fundamentally transform" people's lives.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:00 PM (3JA/M)

Sounds like just the folks I want to be afraid. Hurrah!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:03 PM (3ZoRf)

290 FBN: Fears of global oil glut.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (IqV8l)

Who is afraid?

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Columbia due to Venezuelan locust hordes; our border states after Mexico's oil fields collapse, toothless ND hookers, Putin, and the various ME oil ticks.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:03 PM (ngn8T)

291 I can buy that the Russians are behind the wikileaks. But why?

The Clinton camp is saying its revenge for her supporting a
challenge to Putin's bid forhis third run at the presidency of Russia
back in 2011

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 01:59 PM (lKyWE)

Nah... if he hadn't dismissed her as the ineffectual hack she is, she would have mysteriously come down with dioxin poisoning or some such.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:03 PM (3JA/M)

292 Aetius -- exactly.

Posted by: eleven at July 26, 2016 02:04 PM (qUNWi)

293
Columbia due to Venezuelan locust hordes; our
border states after Mexico's oil fields collapse, toothless ND hookers,
Putin, and the various ME oil ticks.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:03 PM (ngn8T)

This too.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:04 PM (3JA/M)

294 nood

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 26, 2016 02:04 PM (KUaJL)

295 279 Post a pic from Weasel Zippers of a huge Pali Flag at the DNC for all my Jewish Friends and family voting for them. Assholes
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2016 02:01 PM (zp+j1)

The justifications for this should plumb the depths of irrationality in truly epic fashion.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (4ng05)

296 Well, if there's a principled man involved, it isn't Assange.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (wB8Tg)

Oh, I am not arguing that Assange is the second coming of George Washington, just about the idea in general.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (3ZoRf)

297
"Wouldn't mind if he were dead?"
* * *

THE DEMS ARE THE ONE WHO WROTE THE DAMAGING EMAILS! They are not arguing that the emails are falsified, just that they were leaked improperly.

If they were really worried about the content, maybe don't write the fricking content in the first place.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2016 02:02 PM (3ZoRf)
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DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT!

* * *
May God keep Fleegle in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (pC96u)

298 ouch ... The hollow channels on the underside of TigerLady's claws are designed to collect DNA and protect it, to aid in making a positive identification."

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (ngn8T)

299 "Who does Julian think he's kidding? There isn't anything that gets a Clinton thrown in jail."

There's a good chance that Hillary's home brew server got hacked. If so the hacker would have the 30,000 e-mails that Hillary didn't want the public to see because many were about co-ordinating Clinton Cash Corruption by linking gifts to the Foundation and speaking fees to Bill with official actions taken by Madame Secretary. These e-mails could look innocuous until put in context.

Similar to how we all knew DWS and other Hillary minions had corrupted the DNC, but here are the e-mails where they actually write about doing it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 26, 2016 02:05 PM (r1fLd)

300 The Dems think the e-mails were disclosed illegally, like evidence obtained without a warrant, and must therefore be excluded from the court of public opinion.

Posted by: davidt at July 26, 2016 02:07 PM (syn4Y)

301 >>THE DEMS ARE THE ONE WHO WROTE THE DAMAGING EMAILS! They are not arguing that the emails are falsified, just that they were leaked improperly.

If you can't argue the facts argue the law.
If you can't argue the law argue the facts.
If both the facts and the law are against you pound the table and yell like hell.

If this pattern sounds familiar it's because our politics are filled with lawyers.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (/tuJf)

302 May God keep Bingo in His bosom.

Posted by: iforgot lost a bet to the more realistic guy who worships cartoon characters

Doug Stanhope dates a cartoon character?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 26, 2016 02:08 PM (mgbwf)

303 I want the New York Times to hire Milo Y away from Breitbart and make him a daily columnist. That may create a 1% pushback against the 99% left leaning rag.

It would be fabulous. They'd make a mint in new readers. It would shock the hell out of all the blue haired ladies who seem to have the men there by the balls.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (ZnIt3)

304 I don't think signs were an issue (conservatives don't roll like SJW) but Trump went out of his way to join with the GOPe and change the rules so us grassroots proles are silenced in future conventions... and then there were the threats against Cruz delegates. There was also intimidation and threats against grassroots committee members. And blatant cheating during floor votes.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 01:57 PM (3JA/M)

Gee, I remember listening to none other than Mike Lee on Levin's show say that the GOP party Elites wanted to change the rules so that their power was strengthened and that Trump was not involved in it at all. That there was no discussion of Trump's nominatiion in the committee rules change meeting, rather it was debate about the RNC getting more control over the nominating and convention process and shutting out grassroots members input on that process.

Levin only provides a synopsis of his shows since they are available on podcast. Here's the link.
http://www.marklevinshow.com/2016/07/18/july-18-2016/

Posted by: Jen the original at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (Zz6ul)

305 @283 I shit you not that Donna Brazile (now interim DNC Chair) was quoted as saying that among other things they need to "address" after the "email scandal" is "email security."

Like a guy who got busted robbing a 7-11 telling the parole board he'll be sure to wear a ski mask next time. Un freaking believable.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (k8tEg)

306 "If she loses, the left will seethe, ad hate the rest of the country all the more, because she was "robbed".

Which is why it is necessary that every patriot take active measures to purge the influence of the Left from this country. These measures should be within the capability and moral limits of the individual patriot.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at July 26, 2016 02:12 PM (swEzU)

307 @283 I shit you not that Donna Brazile (now interim DNC Chair) was quoted as saying that among other things they need to "address" after the "email scandal" is "email security."

Like a guy who got busted robbing a 7-11 telling the parole board he'll be sure to wear a ski mask next time. Un freaking believable.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 26, 2016 02:11 PM (k8tEg)

The contents are not important. The fact that those contents were hacked and then put out for all to read is what is upsetting the DNC.

When it shocks Rosie O'Donnell into speaking the truth......

Posted by: Jen the original at July 26, 2016 02:13 PM (Zz6ul)

308
Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:04 PM (3JA/M)

The funny thing is she thinks it an acceptable explanation.But what it shows is that as SOS she meddled in the elections of an unfriendly foreign country and lost and as a result the now hostile foreign country is in returnmeddling in our elections.

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 26, 2016 02:15 PM (lKyWE)

309 256
Every liberal we know, deep down, thinks that we're either an idiot or evil.

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That's okay. I think they are either mentally ill or dishonest.

Posted by: Futuromo at July 26, 2016 01:55 PM (hQUve)

You misspelled "corrupt".

Posted by: cthulhu at July 26, 2016 02:18 PM (EzgxV)

310 haha

FOX reporting that neither Sanders nor the state of Vermont will nominate Clinton. and Sanders will not be on convention floor tonight.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2016 02:40 PM (Lsu4e)

311 Gee, I remember listening to none other than Mike
Lee on Levin's show say that the GOP party Elites wanted to change the
rules so that their power was strengthened and that Trump was not
involved in it at all. That there was no discussion of Trump's
nominatiion in the committee rules change meeting, rather it was debate
about the RNC getting more control over the nominating and convention
process and shutting out grassroots members input on that process.

Levin only provides a synopsis of his shows since they are available on podcast. Here's the link.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/2016/07/18/july-18-2016/

Posted by: Jen the original at July 26, 2016 02:10 PM (Zz6ul)

And Gee Mike Lee was wrong. There are pictures of Trump's people trying to strongarm delegates on the floor vote for rules.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (3JA/M)

312 Big reason I don't by the Philadelphia Inquire

Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2016 03:05 PM (bksJQ)

313 That was the best comments section I have ever seen for an NYT piece. I'm guessing all the liberal commenters are either in full meltdown over WikiLeaks or at the convention collecting their paychecks.

Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at July 26, 2016 03:18 PM (lJJaE)

314 the now hostile foreign country is in return meddling in our elections."

Assange says BS. http://tinyurl.com/jnt8bj6

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2016 03:28 PM (eSQgj)

315 Neocons be like "Let's go into the central square of Kiev and give the protestors bread."

Now they're all outraged that Russia is interfering in US politics. Guys, if you didn't want Russia interfering in US politics, maybe you shouldn't have been funding NED and NRI for the last 20 years.

Posted by: bjk at July 26, 2016 03:49 PM (x2rNW)

316 88 Things have really gone down hill at the Grey Lady since my day.

Posted by: Zombie Walter Duranty at July 26, 2016 01:23 PM (/m8T6)

Well, to start, you're racist and sexist on the basis of your characterization. She's not Gray, she's a Paper of Color identifying in the Grayscale, and she's not a lady, she's a unique genderfluid Xe who righteously rejects both your regressive concept of binary gender and the stifling title of "lady" suggesting social and behavioral norms enslaving those associating with the female portion of the spectrum.

Posted by: 0302 at July 26, 2016 04:23 PM (wx6iv)

317 And Gee Mike Lee was wrong. There are pictures of Trump's people trying to strongarm delegates on the floor vote for rules.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 26, 2016 02:50 PM (3JA/M)

The famous orange hats?
How do you "strongarm" delegates? Threaten to pull their credentials? Threaten their families?
Who are these "Trump's people"? Why aren't they walking around with swastikas armbands and german shepherds viciously barking at delegates.

The Rules committee voted in the...Rules committee meeting. The floor vote was regarding adopting the rules and it was a voice vote, remember?

Every convention or meeting of delegates of any organization will have members lobbying the delegates to adopt that lobbyist's point of view. You may call it strongarming, those of us who have been delegates for organizations will call it lobbying. Sometimes it changes minds, sometimes it doesn't.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 26, 2016 04:38 PM (Zz6ul)

318 "Imagine the stories they might miss, like the groundswell of isolation that propelled a candidate like Donald Trump to his party's nomination."

So this hack's pseudo-defense of the NYT is in itself dripping with bias? Shocking. A candidate LIKE DONALD TRUMP...read between the lines...Trump is an unfit candidate propped up only by circumstances. Make no mention of a lack of intellectual curiosity as to why a proven incompetent and corrupt harpie has been coronated by a complicit big media in collusion with a major political party? No story there though, right Champ?

The NYT can suck a thousand bags of dicks for all I care.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at July 26, 2016 07:39 PM (eOUAk)

319 Gee This Paper Sure is Stultifyingly Close-Minded

Ummm... most people figured that out 30 yrs ago.

That's why there are now things like,"Rush Limbaugh", "Fox News", "The Drudge Report", etc ad nauseum.

The immortal line from "Die-Hard" always works... "Welcome to the party, pal"!

Posted by: Scott at July 29, 2016 06:35 PM (PqNKV)

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