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Quick explanation of so-called "Bulletproof Coffee:"
The coffee was popularlized -- and I guess invented -- by David Asprey, author of "The Bulletproof Executive." Here's his video about it. He makes various claims about the coffee which strike me as ludicrous -- he says his !Q has gone up 20 points on the coffee --- but there is one big part of the coffee that seems solidly-based. The coffee recipe is just two tablespoons of grass-fed unsalted butter (Kerrygold has one of the most widely distributed of such butters; look for the silver label for unsalted (gold is salted)), and some medium-chain triglyceride oil, available from Amazon in various forms. I use coconut oil, but not for any particular reason. (SEE UPDATE.) I also put a lot of Saigon cinnamon in mine, plus non-sugar sweetener (stevia for me -- I don't taste the bad taste many object to). The point of the coffee for those doing Intermittent fasting and/or Low Carb High Fat is that you're actually having a small meal, composed of almost 100% fat, but this meal does not produce any insulin response, as fat doesn't trigger an insulin release. So, as far as intermittent fasting, even though you actually are breaking your fast with a shot of calories and fat, you're not breaking your fast as regards the hormone you actually care about -- insulin. No insulin is being raised, so as far as your insulin metabolism knows, you're still in your fasted state. Yet you're getting some calories, which will make it easier for you to hit the 16 (or 18, or 20) hour mark without eating. If you're doing Low Carb High Fat, you just swapped out one meal for a small meal that's 100% dietary fat, so that helps you on LCHF ratios. Remember, don't just replace carbs with protein. At some point your body will figure out the trick you're pulling on it and start burning protein for glucose (and producing the insulin response). Eat more protein, but not too much more. You want to swap the carbs for fat, not a ton of extra protein. People add the cinnamon because it's a natural stimulant that adds to the kick of caffeine and also, I think, is supposed to have some additional fat-burning effect beyond the simple metabolism-boosting effect. I kinda doubt that though. But we have a doctor who prescribes cinnamon capsules to patients, so maybe he can elucidate on that for us. Since I've been adding cinnamon I've gone from two cups of coffee in the morning to just one, which is good for me, because too much caffeine makes me jittery and trips my anxiety switches. Now, I know people whom make their coffee with heavy whipping cream, which is also 100% fat (or nearly so). So the question arises: Why have your coffee with weirdo creamer like butter and coconut oil, when you could get the same basic metabolic effect from heavy whipping cream? I have no idea why you wouldn't do that. I think Asprey just popularlized this butter-and-oil recipe (he claims that he drank tea with yak butter in the Himalayas and it endowed him with superior performance in all ways) and so this is what I'm doing. I don't see how the heavy whipping cream version would be inferior for IF or LCHF purposes. I would say this, though: Butter keeps a long time. That means you pretty much always have creamer in the morning, and never have one of those oh-no-I'm-out-of-creamer-and-didn't-go-to-the-supermarket-last-night black coffee mornings. So even if you're going the whipping cream route, maybe just have a stick of unsalted butter in there. Just in case. Okay so here are my accountability stats: Had another lame week of weight loss. I dropped through the 187 resistance point Friday, down to 185.5, but have lost nothing since then. I actually I gained slightly -- 185.7. Still, 20 pounds down from two months ago, or around then. Maybe two and a half. The last time I lost weight I was losing 3-4 pounds per week many weeks, but I was doing something else then too: Walking at a hard pace for 40-50 minutes, 4 times a week. I haven't been doing that. I might have to start doing that again, especially now that my shoulder's got me out of commission for weightlifting. So: How are all of you doing? PS: Broseidon King asked if he could post his lift figures here. Of course you can/should. Any medical/health/exercise goal can be posted here. It's not just weight loss. If you want to talk about your GAINS, BRO, then talk about your GAINS, BRO~!Oh: Last time people were debating the best way to drink two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar (which might reduce insulin, especially at night -- though this is unproven). I've been having it in coffee cups with cold water and ice and stevia. The water cuts the vinegar, obviously, but it's still a small enough amount to drink that you can power it down in a (not terribly pleasant) minute. A coffee cup, especially a big coffee cup, seems to me to be the right compromise between cutting the vinegar and yet not making so much liquid it's hard to get down. A Note on Adding MCT Oil to Your Coffee: Remember when I pooped my pants a few months ago? Yeah, that was from MCT oil. You sort of have to add it slowly, to get your body used to it. It gets things moving smoothly out of your body -- a little too smoothly if you start with loads of MCT oil.
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Frankly I forgot about the intermittent fasting. I was going to start last week.
Still doing well with the Fitbit though.
Still doing well with the Fitbit though.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:06 PM (r65B3)
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Stopped drinking beer, biking 100 miles per week.
Posted by: Sherlock at July 25, 2016 05:06 PM (cgxNI)
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I lost three pounds of brown this morning. Does that count as a medical/exercise/health goal?
Posted by: Minuteman at July 25, 2016 05:08 PM (A3b6q)
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the beer thing is hard to do. I like it.
But it's about moderation.
the Fitbit keeps me walking and that's the key...consistency in what we do.
But it's about moderation.
the Fitbit keeps me walking and that's the key...consistency in what we do.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:08 PM (r65B3)
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I need to cut out the beer
Posted by: The Jackhole at July 25, 2016 05:08 PM (M+Lyo)
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I think Asprey just popularlized this butter-and-oil recipe (he claims
that he drank tea with yak butter in the Himalayas and it endowed him
with superior performance in all ways)
Yeah, don't believe everything you hear.
that he drank tea with yak butter in the Himalayas and it endowed him
with superior performance in all ways)
Yeah, don't believe everything you hear.
Posted by: Mrs. Yak at July 25, 2016 05:09 PM (LAe3v)
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>>> the beer thing is hard to do. I like it.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:09 PM (dciA+)
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the Fitbit keeps me walking and that's the key...consistency in what we do.
yeah maybe i'll get ekdahl to do a post with me on fitbit and jawbone.
the Fitbit keeps me walking and that's the key...consistency in what we do.
yeah maybe i'll get ekdahl to do a post with me on fitbit and jawbone.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:10 PM (dciA+)
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I'll just eat a Twinkie, thanks anyway.
Posted by: Jonah at July 25, 2016 05:10 PM (WXHux)
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If any of y'alls live in the SF Bay Area, Philz Coffee is the only coffee chain in the country that uses some kind of hyper-fat whipping-cream cream that's supposed to be only used by pastry chefs in specific recipes. Philz instead puts it into coffee and the result is spectacular -- by far the best coffee you've ever had. So it confirms Ace's theory about using heavy cream in your coffee instead of butter, which i just unnecessary. The Philz way is also 100% fat but also 100% delicioous.
The hard part? Getting your hands on the ultra-heavy cream stuff. Not generally sold to retail customers. Otherwise, you'll have to get your coffee at the Philz location.
The hard part? Getting your hands on the ultra-heavy cream stuff. Not generally sold to retail customers. Otherwise, you'll have to get your coffee at the Philz location.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:10 PM (jBuUi)
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yak butter in the Himalayas and it endowed him with superior performance in all ways
Did he rub it on his dick, cause this sounds like one of those little ads in the back of a mens magazine.
Did he rub it on his dick, cause this sounds like one of those little ads in the back of a mens magazine.
Posted by: DaveA at July 25, 2016 05:11 PM (8J/Te)
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I've lost about 8 lbs recently doing "high fat-protein/low carb - intermittent fasting" diet.
The "intermittent fasting" means just skipping meals from time to time. And I do drink plenty of nice black coffee.
As to "super coffee" (or whatever the hell they call coffee with butter). . .I've tried it, and IMO its revolting. If you like it, all the more power to you, and if it helps you reach your weight/fitness goals, double that, but I'm not drinking that swill.
The "intermittent fasting" means just skipping meals from time to time. And I do drink plenty of nice black coffee.
As to "super coffee" (or whatever the hell they call coffee with butter). . .I've tried it, and IMO its revolting. If you like it, all the more power to you, and if it helps you reach your weight/fitness goals, double that, but I'm not drinking that swill.
Posted by: looking closely at July 25, 2016 05:11 PM (0hzM1)
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Why y'all gotta put shit in your coffee? #BlackCoffeeMAtters
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 05:11 PM (UPYhp)
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Yak Butter is great, but if you really want to lose weight you want Gnu Butter.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2016 05:11 PM (CH3GY)
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Crohn's disease really sucks. Just in case you were wondering.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2016 05:13 PM (kTF2Z)
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Ahhh, here's the info -- it's called "Manufacturing Cream":
https://www.quora.com/What-s-the-secret-ingredient-in-Philz-coffee
Berkeley Farms makes it:
http://www.shopwell.com/berkeley-farms-manufacturing-cream/cream/p/7293501240
Use that instead of yak butter!
https://www.quora.com/What-s-the-secret-ingredient-in-Philz-coffee
Berkeley Farms makes it:
http://www.shopwell.com/berkeley-farms-manufacturing-cream/cream/p/7293501240
Use that instead of yak butter!
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:13 PM (jBuUi)
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#12, responding to above, heavy cream, I'm willing to try, though the lactose is a downer there.
I've always like coffee with cinnamon (I put in espresso, in particular) so that's not a "stretch", though IMO, if I'm drinking a GOOD coffee, I just want to taste the coffee.
I've always like coffee with cinnamon (I put in espresso, in particular) so that's not a "stretch", though IMO, if I'm drinking a GOOD coffee, I just want to taste the coffee.
Posted by: looking closely at July 25, 2016 05:13 PM (0hzM1)
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2016 05:14 PM (CH3GY)
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Yak Butter is great, but if you really want to lose weight you want Gnu Butter.
Posted by: garrett
Add some Venezuelan beaver cheese for a high protein snack.
Posted by: garrett
Add some Venezuelan beaver cheese for a high protein snack.
Posted by: Mr Wensleydale - Vendor of Fine Cheeses at July 25, 2016 05:14 PM (UPYhp)
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The Perfect Human Diet
http://tinyurl.com/jughnwa
With Gary Taubes, C. J. Hunt, Loren Cordain, bunch of anthropological biologists at the Max Planck Institute, and others...
Free if you subscribe to Netflix.
http://tinyurl.com/jughnwa
With Gary Taubes, C. J. Hunt, Loren Cordain, bunch of anthropological biologists at the Max Planck Institute, and others...
Free if you subscribe to Netflix.
Posted by: scoville unit at July 25, 2016 05:15 PM (0adl+)
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I was doing really well with the rowing machine. Had started out at 21 mins per session, then went up by 3 every time. Every day or two days on one day off seemed to tire me out like hell, so I switched to very other day. Was smooth sailing, got 42 minutes last time.
Then the ac in the upstairs where the rowing machine is went out. I am all for exercising strenuously, but not in 90 degrees- good way to pass out. Hopefully the guy comes wednesday or thursday to get it fixed.
Then the ac in the upstairs where the rowing machine is went out. I am all for exercising strenuously, but not in 90 degrees- good way to pass out. Hopefully the guy comes wednesday or thursday to get it fixed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:15 PM (3ZoRf)
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If you mix butter with coconut oil and hot coffee in a foam cup it will dissolve the cup.
Makes you wonder what it might be doing to your stomach.....
If you mix butter with coconut oil and hot coffee in a foam cup it will dissolve the cup.
Makes you wonder what it might be doing to your stomach.....
Posted by: Frankly at July 25, 2016 05:15 PM (U3R8X)
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>>>I've always like coffee with cinnamon (I put in espresso, in particular) so that's not a "stretch", though IMO, if I'm drinking a GOOD coffee, I just want to taste the coffee.
i have coffee again around 3 or 4 and that's often regular coffee with whipping cream because now I'm in my eating window (unless I'm going for a longer window).
so it's not like this is the only coffee you can drink; this is just the still-in-fasted-state version.
i have coffee again around 3 or 4 and that's often regular coffee with whipping cream because now I'm in my eating window (unless I'm going for a longer window).
so it's not like this is the only coffee you can drink; this is just the still-in-fasted-state version.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (zUoxk)
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I think the reason Asprey recommends butter is because it's hard to get "high quality" cream. Kerrygold comes from grass-fed cows and you are going to have a hard time finding cream that comes with that benefit (and don't get started on the raw v. pasteurized dairy debate).
Posted by: CraftD at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (Mvgu2)
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I would imagine cream, stevia and iced espresso would taste and have a similar mouth feel to one of those sweet Starbuck coffee shake creations with all the sugar.
I also like to use just a bit of unsweetend heavy cream on fresh ripe berries for the satisfying texture it ads.
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I also like to use just a bit of unsweetend heavy cream on fresh ripe berries for the satisfying texture it ads.
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Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (dUhPF)
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If you mix butter with coconut oil and hot coffee in a foam cup it will dissolve the cup.
Makes you wonder what it might be doing to your stomach.....
Posted by: Frankly at July 25, 2016 05:15 PM (U3R8X)
Your stomach is pretty much a cauldron of battery acid, so.
Makes you wonder what it might be doing to your stomach.....
Posted by: Frankly at July 25, 2016 05:15 PM (U3R8X)
Your stomach is pretty much a cauldron of battery acid, so.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (3ZoRf)
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214 this morning and back in mild ketosis. I've added cinnamon and IF to my regimen at the recommendation of the host. Pushing hard this week to move 5 lbs of waxy fat.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (evdj2)
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7 >>> the beer thing is hard to do. I like it.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace
Highly recommended:
Dry hard cider.
Really really tasty (if you get the good stuff), and all the sugar has been converted to alcohol, so it's not as fattening.
Go for British or French ciders, or high-end American ciders (especially from Vermont, Michigan and Oregon). Stay away from the horrible mass-produced corporate stuff, like Angry Orchard or Redd's, both of which are horrible.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace
Highly recommended:
Dry hard cider.
Really really tasty (if you get the good stuff), and all the sugar has been converted to alcohol, so it's not as fattening.
Go for British or French ciders, or high-end American ciders (especially from Vermont, Michigan and Oregon). Stay away from the horrible mass-produced corporate stuff, like Angry Orchard or Redd's, both of which are horrible.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (jBuUi)
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I started intermittent fasting pretty much as soon as I saw the video about it in the original post. I've been doing it for about two weeks and lost about five pounds, which I will TOTALLY take. I'm keeping it up; it's hardest on the weekends.
At my heaviest I was 422. When I started IF I was 403 and now I'm 397. I feel it's really working and it makes sense why it would.
I'm someone who tried dieting the "right" way years ago and lost a lot of weight, only to immediately gain it all back when I stopped losing weight and just couldn't stand eating 1800 calories a day any more. I feel like IF might be my ticket back to a healthy weight.
At my heaviest I was 422. When I started IF I was 403 and now I'm 397. I feel it's really working and it makes sense why it would.
I'm someone who tried dieting the "right" way years ago and lost a lot of weight, only to immediately gain it all back when I stopped losing weight and just couldn't stand eating 1800 calories a day any more. I feel like IF might be my ticket back to a healthy weight.
Posted by: Viridian at July 25, 2016 05:17 PM (1O7Wl)
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http://tinyurl.com/2fgnnus
Manufacturing Cream is cream with a fat content at or above 40% (most
heavy cream sold in grocery stores tops out at around 36% percent fat).
This higher fat content gives the cream better flavor, a smoother
texture, a lower risk of curdling or burning, and more stability when
whipped or churned.Because of this,it is usually free from the
artificial stablizers often added to lighter creams.
http://tinyurl.com/2fgnnus
Manufacturing Cream is cream with a fat content at or above 40% (most
heavy cream sold in grocery stores tops out at around 36% percent fat).
This higher fat content gives the cream better flavor, a smoother
texture, a lower risk of curdling or burning, and more stability when
whipped or churned.Because of this,it is usually free from the
artificial stablizers often added to lighter creams.
Posted by: looking closely at July 25, 2016 05:17 PM (0hzM1)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:17 PM (dciA+)
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I started drinking two tbsp of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water and two cinnamon capsules every night before I go to bed. We'll see how I feel in a week or two.
I need to get back to chai tea with heavy whipping cream. I'm not a huge coffee fan, but chai with cream has a caramel scent and tastes good.
Tonight will be a run and swordwork at the park.
I need to get back to chai tea with heavy whipping cream. I'm not a huge coffee fan, but chai with cream has a caramel scent and tastes good.
Tonight will be a run and swordwork at the park.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 25, 2016 05:17 PM (LUG6K)
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Set a new deadlift PR of 475 on Saturday. Working towards 500.
Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:17 PM (MJuTN)
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How most diets are developed:
https://youtu.be/SavsJYXWgm8
https://youtu.be/SavsJYXWgm8
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 05:17 PM (UPYhp)
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Down exactly 14 pounds in exactly 16 weeks to 183.6 using a combination of 16 hour IF, low carb high fat, and running again. Never able to do all three at once (usually just two). Got down 4 lbs immediately, then after a few weeks stalled at 10 lbs down. Then got off diet but starting running after long layoff, working up to 40 miles per week. Weight held steady at 10 lbs down. Last week, IF and high fat, low carb restarted loss, down another 4 lbs. 14 lbs to go.
Posted by: chris not rock at July 25, 2016 05:18 PM (yrige)
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2nd week of the Slow-Carb diet (Tim Ferris - 4 Hour Body) and down 5 lbs.
I am doing a fairly heavy weightlifting program, so I suspect I won't lose near as much total weight as most. Losing fat is my main goal and we'll see how it goes.
I am trying to Intermittent fast the day after my cheat day and did that for the first time yesterday. Made it to 18 hrs, but was not pleasant.
I'm an airline pilot that flies mainly long-haul international routes, so sticking to this diet on the road may prove to be a struggle. There are usually good options in US airports, but once you're in the metal tube for 12 hours all bets are off. Not to mention trying to stick to the plan when overseas.
I've had the last couple of weeks off, but start flying again on Friday. Need to do some research on what to pack with me for the flight.
I am doing a fairly heavy weightlifting program, so I suspect I won't lose near as much total weight as most. Losing fat is my main goal and we'll see how it goes.
I am trying to Intermittent fast the day after my cheat day and did that for the first time yesterday. Made it to 18 hrs, but was not pleasant.
I'm an airline pilot that flies mainly long-haul international routes, so sticking to this diet on the road may prove to be a struggle. There are usually good options in US airports, but once you're in the metal tube for 12 hours all bets are off. Not to mention trying to stick to the plan when overseas.
I've had the last couple of weeks off, but start flying again on Friday. Need to do some research on what to pack with me for the flight.
Posted by: Phat at July 25, 2016 05:18 PM (/K6Oh)
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When I did Atkins I found that I really got to where I craved carbs no matter how much protein or fat in any form into my belly. I would get to the point where my mouth would water at the thought of two slices of white bread and any amount of bacon and or any kind of cheese would sate my appetite.
I tried the low carb tortillas but they tasted like sawdust, and anything I would eat with them tasted like I was wasting good food by throwing sawdust on it.
One of the more satisfying foods that gave me a change from the meat/cheese/eggs/bacon sameness was cashews. They had a crunchiness and a texture not found in the other low carb fare. For variety I would eat pecans and filberts. If I was just looking for texture and not taste I would eat peanuts, but those quickly bored my palate.
Can anyone recommend a low carb bread substitute with the "mouth-feel" of bread? Extra points if it can be used in the same way as bread to make a sammich.
I tried the low carb tortillas but they tasted like sawdust, and anything I would eat with them tasted like I was wasting good food by throwing sawdust on it.
One of the more satisfying foods that gave me a change from the meat/cheese/eggs/bacon sameness was cashews. They had a crunchiness and a texture not found in the other low carb fare. For variety I would eat pecans and filberts. If I was just looking for texture and not taste I would eat peanuts, but those quickly bored my palate.
Can anyone recommend a low carb bread substitute with the "mouth-feel" of bread? Extra points if it can be used in the same way as bread to make a sammich.
Posted by: Minuteman at July 25, 2016 05:18 PM (A3b6q)
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atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:09 PM (dciA+)
Cardiologists say liquor is rough on your heart. I try
To forget that part.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:09 PM (dciA+)
Cardiologists say liquor is rough on your heart. I try
To forget that part.
Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 05:18 PM (48QDY)
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32 zombie,
thanks, good to know. I'l look for that.
Posted by: ace
The manufacturing cream, or the dry cider? Or both?
thanks, good to know. I'l look for that.
Posted by: ace
The manufacturing cream, or the dry cider? Or both?
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:19 PM (jBuUi)
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Nice lips, dude.
Posted by: wth at July 25, 2016 05:19 PM (HgMAr)
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I have a charity bike thing this weekend so I'm carb loading and trying to drink pickle juice to see if that helps with my lactic acid issue. It hits me after the 50 mile mark and makes life miserable.
Posted by: nckate at July 25, 2016 05:19 PM (9Pufo)
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I'm 272 and still eat waaaaay too many carbs.
Also I don't lift, yet, tomorrow I'm done being on call so I'll either be hitting the gym, doing jiu jitsu, doing yoga or some combo. In reality I should probably just do one thing, over training is a real issue for me as I've been a useless lardo.
Also I don't lift, yet, tomorrow I'm done being on call so I'll either be hitting the gym, doing jiu jitsu, doing yoga or some combo. In reality I should probably just do one thing, over training is a real issue for me as I've been a useless lardo.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:19 PM (R5HRU)
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This Bulletproof coffee sounds good, but you guys gotta try the cold chai.
Posted by: GolfBoy at July 25, 2016 05:20 PM (moQX0)
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>>I started drinking two tbsp of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water and two cinnamon capsules every night before I go to bed. We'll see how I feel in a week or two.
why have the capsules at night? Won't that interfere with sleeping?
Also, why capsules, rather than straight cinnamon powder?
why have the capsules at night? Won't that interfere with sleeping?
Also, why capsules, rather than straight cinnamon powder?
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:20 PM (dciA+)
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>>>The manufacturing cream, or the dry cider? Or both?
the cream. I don't really care about the cider that much. I don't drink a lot and wine works fine for me.
the cream. I don't really care about the cider that much. I don't drink a lot and wine works fine for me.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:21 PM (dciA+)
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46 I ate a lot of cheese yesterday and this afternoon I had to use....the apparatus.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at July 25, 2016 05:21 PM (XzRw1)
A shoehorn to get off the toilet?
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at July 25, 2016 05:21 PM (XzRw1)
A shoehorn to get off the toilet?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:22 PM (3ZoRf)
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Tabata is a good regime to look into if you want to boost your metabolism. I alternate it with heavy lifting (StrongLifts 5x5 at the moment).
http://tinyurl.com/Tabata-Explained
http://tinyurl.com/Tabata-Explained
Posted by: scoville unit at July 25, 2016 05:22 PM (0adl+)
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Thanks for the thread, Ace.
I'm two weeks into IF and so far, so good. I, uh, lost my scale back home. Honestly, don't know where it is. But I feel a little better and I haven't noticed any drop off in energy.
I do end up with a dry mouth during fasting, which results in a lot more water consumed, which in turn helps keep hunger pangs away. Apart from water, I eat two gummy vitamins (don't judge) at 15 cal total and add some 0 calorie 'Talking Rain Fusion' water, provided at work for some non-water flavored drinking. The stuff is also caffeine-laced, so bonus there, I think.
I'm also doing very light exercise in the morning. 20 pushups, 20 air squats, 20 leg lifts. My plan is to increment by one each day, so I should be up to 27 of each next Monday. I also have a barbell for when I want to add curls, overhead press and weight to squats.
I should note that I'm not really changing my diet. I still drink pop, eat brownies and lovely, lovely carbs....just only from noon to eight.
I'm two weeks into IF and so far, so good. I, uh, lost my scale back home. Honestly, don't know where it is. But I feel a little better and I haven't noticed any drop off in energy.
I do end up with a dry mouth during fasting, which results in a lot more water consumed, which in turn helps keep hunger pangs away. Apart from water, I eat two gummy vitamins (don't judge) at 15 cal total and add some 0 calorie 'Talking Rain Fusion' water, provided at work for some non-water flavored drinking. The stuff is also caffeine-laced, so bonus there, I think.
I'm also doing very light exercise in the morning. 20 pushups, 20 air squats, 20 leg lifts. My plan is to increment by one each day, so I should be up to 27 of each next Monday. I also have a barbell for when I want to add curls, overhead press and weight to squats.
I should note that I'm not really changing my diet. I still drink pop, eat brownies and lovely, lovely carbs....just only from noon to eight.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 25, 2016 05:22 PM (O6j1v)
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Also, Ace, in the last diet thread, you discussed drinking vinegar and hard it is to choke down, and late in the thread I recommended looking into:
-- switchels
-- shrubs
-- Pok-Pok Thai-style drinking vinegar
-- Gut Shot drinkable pickle juice and beet vinegar.
Four ways to get your vinegar fix, but in a delicious way!
Switchel was commonnplace in 18th- and 19th-century America -- vinegary thirst-quenching drink with ginger. Now making a comeback.
-- switchels
-- shrubs
-- Pok-Pok Thai-style drinking vinegar
-- Gut Shot drinkable pickle juice and beet vinegar.
Four ways to get your vinegar fix, but in a delicious way!
Switchel was commonnplace in 18th- and 19th-century America -- vinegary thirst-quenching drink with ginger. Now making a comeback.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:22 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:23 PM (dciA+)
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The secret to losing weight is to eat what you like in moderation and exercise. Ace you are right about the walk in the morning. When I retired I did a 2 mile power walk every morning usually done between 25 and 30 min. And most of the time I limited myself to 2,000 cal per day. I was able to lose weight under that regime.
But then I had a heart attack and quit smoking. After that I was hungry all the time. The cancer hit and the neuropathy in my hands and feet hit and it became painful to walk. Since then I have ballooned to 196 pounds.
But then I had a heart attack and quit smoking. After that I was hungry all the time. The cancer hit and the neuropathy in my hands and feet hit and it became painful to walk. Since then I have ballooned to 196 pounds.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:23 PM (mpXpK)
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Based on this being weekly Monday thread I have moved my weigh-in day from Friday to Monday but that was after I already weighed on Friday. I was disappointed to find that this morning I was actually up a pound from Friday, which I did not expect. I know that I'm trimming down though because my tshirts are loosening up and this morning after I showered I was actually able to wrap the towel around my waist and get enough of a tuck for it to stay there. That is improvement for me. I have also moved one notch tighter on the belt.
I suppose the one pound weight gain over the weekend could be from building muscle as I burn fat but....I dunno, I have not added any new physical activity to my routine yet. Do you build muscle doing LCHF + IF without adding in exercise?
Despite the disappointment of the scale moving the wrong direction this morning I feel good about where I stand with this. I have been very disciplined about eating minimal carbs, fasting for 15+ hours daily, and increasing my fat intake. I can keep a towel around my waist now, have tightened up a belt notch, and my knees don't scream bloody murder at me every time I stand up. Those are all huge improvements for me.
I suppose the one pound weight gain over the weekend could be from building muscle as I burn fat but....I dunno, I have not added any new physical activity to my routine yet. Do you build muscle doing LCHF + IF without adding in exercise?
Despite the disappointment of the scale moving the wrong direction this morning I feel good about where I stand with this. I have been very disciplined about eating minimal carbs, fasting for 15+ hours daily, and increasing my fat intake. I can keep a towel around my waist now, have tightened up a belt notch, and my knees don't scream bloody murder at me every time I stand up. Those are all huge improvements for me.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 05:23 PM (SUtNI)
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Green Tea and Green tea supplements are no longer the weight loss product of the month?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 05:23 PM (W9BSD)
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#23.
Ace, you're way more serious about this "intermittent fasting" thing than I am. For me this was mostly accidental. . .did try to cut out carbs, though moved recently and change in commute and working patterns is mostly responsible. By coincidence, happened right about the time you did your intermittent fasting post.
Went from 186# to 177# in 6-7 weeks and it was fairly effortless (FWIW, I'm just shy of 5'11", so its not like I was starting from a place of "super fat"). Tried the buttered coffee when the "supercoffee" idea first got attention. If I were trying a more deliberate diet, I'd definitely think about something like that, though maybe not buttered coffee.
Ace, you're way more serious about this "intermittent fasting" thing than I am. For me this was mostly accidental. . .did try to cut out carbs, though moved recently and change in commute and working patterns is mostly responsible. By coincidence, happened right about the time you did your intermittent fasting post.
Went from 186# to 177# in 6-7 weeks and it was fairly effortless (FWIW, I'm just shy of 5'11", so its not like I was starting from a place of "super fat"). Tried the buttered coffee when the "supercoffee" idea first got attention. If I were trying a more deliberate diet, I'd definitely think about something like that, though maybe not buttered coffee.
Posted by: looking closely at July 25, 2016 05:24 PM (0hzM1)
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Coffee is a key component of this for me. My regular weekday routine is now: Coffee with heavy cream, about 30 ounces, in the morning. No sugar -- that's new for me. i thought about an artificial sweetener, but I know too many fat people who drink diet Coke.
Then an essentially zero-carb lunch; and nothing else for the rest of the day. I've lost about 3.5 pounds in a week. I'll probably taper a bit, but that's cool, I'll be down to something trim for me (185 or so) in 5 or 6 weeks.
Then an essentially zero-carb lunch; and nothing else for the rest of the day. I've lost about 3.5 pounds in a week. I'll probably taper a bit, but that's cool, I'll be down to something trim for me (185 or so) in 5 or 6 weeks.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:24 PM (+EU58)
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why have the capsules at night? Won't that interfere with sleeping?
Also, why capsules, rather than straight cinnamon powder?
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:20 PM (dciA+)
It's easier to remember to take two pills in the evening than to try and get cinnamon in the morning, since I don't drink coffee or even tea until lunch.
I leave my job at the end of the week, and move out for grad school, so I may be able to adjust how I do things later, but I found myself looking for excuses to "start next week" and so just taking the capsules in the evening was about forcing me to start now.
Also, why capsules, rather than straight cinnamon powder?
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:20 PM (dciA+)
It's easier to remember to take two pills in the evening than to try and get cinnamon in the morning, since I don't drink coffee or even tea until lunch.
I leave my job at the end of the week, and move out for grad school, so I may be able to adjust how I do things later, but I found myself looking for excuses to "start next week" and so just taking the capsules in the evening was about forcing me to start now.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 25, 2016 05:24 PM (LUG6K)
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Ace,
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but I have listened to Mr. Asprey and his dietary advice. One of his stated reasons for no Dairy in coffee is that the lactose "neutralizes" the anti-oxidant qualities of coffee. I am a bit skeptical about this and attribute it to his "Milk is the debil!!1!" attitude. I think that adding MCT oil to coffee is a great addition and really helps with hunger control, but is there any confirmation on milk/cream affecting the anti-oxidant qualities of foods or drinks?
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but I have listened to Mr. Asprey and his dietary advice. One of his stated reasons for no Dairy in coffee is that the lactose "neutralizes" the anti-oxidant qualities of coffee. I am a bit skeptical about this and attribute it to his "Milk is the debil!!1!" attitude. I think that adding MCT oil to coffee is a great addition and really helps with hunger control, but is there any confirmation on milk/cream affecting the anti-oxidant qualities of foods or drinks?
Posted by: Croaker at July 25, 2016 05:24 PM (kd6ig)
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47 46 I ate a lot of cheese yesterday and this afternoon I had to use....the apparatus.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at July 25, 2016 05:21 PM (XzRw1)
A shoehorn to get off the toilet?
If you were a mathematician I would recommend that you just work it out with a pencil. Don't use a calculator because the keys will start sticking.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at July 25, 2016 05:21 PM (XzRw1)
A shoehorn to get off the toilet?
If you were a mathematician I would recommend that you just work it out with a pencil. Don't use a calculator because the keys will start sticking.
Posted by: Minuteman at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (A3b6q)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:23 PM (mpXpK)
Have you tried the Lyrica for the neuropathy?
Have you tried the Lyrica for the neuropathy?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (W9BSD)
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Here's a recipe for switchel from Jas. Townsend & Son:
https://youtu.be/e8sPaesPOiU
https://youtu.be/e8sPaesPOiU
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (UPYhp)
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Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 05:23 PM (SUtNI)
Can't really build muscle while trying to lose weight, gotta do one or the other.
Either way lift in both scenarios, once you've hit a desirable weight, then start bulking up by eating more.
Can't really build muscle while trying to lose weight, gotta do one or the other.
Either way lift in both scenarios, once you've hit a desirable weight, then start bulking up by eating more.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (R5HRU)
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does anyone know when Presdent Obama and Michael Obama will be speaking today? We cannot find what time anywhere and do not want to miss there speeches............ We love them and will miss them........
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (NuElX)
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My husband is a fairly strict paleo guy....no sweets, no potatoes except sweet potatoes and no grain EXCEPT his beer. No way he's giving that up and he's lost about 20-25 lbs. in the past year.
It can be done.
And he has Crohn's too....the no grain (except beer) has helped tremendously.
It can be done.
And he has Crohn's too....the no grain (except beer) has helped tremendously.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 05:26 PM (Enq6K)
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I'm currently doing Maffetone: The premise is you exercise aerobically at a low heart-rate (basically 180-your age), and at the end of your workout you should have no pain and feel like you could do it again, right away, easily.
It's all endurance. There's no anaerobic stuff allowed until you're in decent aerobic condition. (He's the anti-Rippetoe!) Maffetone even casts aspersions as to whether anaerobic exercise has any value whatsoever.
This is: a) completely the opposite of the current CW; b) totally against my nature.
So, that's why I'm doing it.
I started with a 1K warmup, 1K "run" (I can't go faster than my heart rate will allow), 1/2 K cool down. I started week three yesterday and did 1K warmup, 4K "run", 1K cooldown.
We'll see how it plays out.
No weight this week because I use the Wii to weigh and I'm hacking it to get around the whole scratched-CD problems. But my pants are looser.
Currently on hour 25 of a planned 48-hour fast. It's going fine.
It's all endurance. There's no anaerobic stuff allowed until you're in decent aerobic condition. (He's the anti-Rippetoe!) Maffetone even casts aspersions as to whether anaerobic exercise has any value whatsoever.
This is: a) completely the opposite of the current CW; b) totally against my nature.
So, that's why I'm doing it.
I started with a 1K warmup, 1K "run" (I can't go faster than my heart rate will allow), 1/2 K cool down. I started week three yesterday and did 1K warmup, 4K "run", 1K cooldown.
We'll see how it plays out.
No weight this week because I use the Wii to weigh and I'm hacking it to get around the whole scratched-CD problems. But my pants are looser.
Currently on hour 25 of a planned 48-hour fast. It's going fine.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 05:26 PM (7zeA4)
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>>>Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but I have listened to Mr. Asprey and his dietary advice. One of his stated reasons for no Dairy in coffee is that the lactose "neutralizes" the anti-oxidant qualities of coffee. I am a bit skeptical about this and attribute it to his "Milk is the debil!!1!" attitude. I think that adding MCT oil to coffee is a great addition and really helps with hunger control, but is there any confirmation on milk/cream affecting the anti-oxidant qualities of foods or drinks?
I don't. I didn't read Asprey's book. I'm not sure if I will.
I don't. I didn't read Asprey's book. I'm not sure if I will.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:26 PM (dciA+)
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#54
Seriously, green tea out, green (ie unroasted) COFFEE in. That's what they're pushing at the health food stores this month.
FWIW, green coffee beans are cheap, readily available, and disgusting. If you want this, just buy a few pounds of unroasted coffee, rather than paying some exhorbitant amount to a third party for the same.
Not sure what benefits this is supposed to offer over traditional roasted coffee (which makes a pretty tasty beverage), but I'm sure some tout some.
Seriously, green tea out, green (ie unroasted) COFFEE in. That's what they're pushing at the health food stores this month.
FWIW, green coffee beans are cheap, readily available, and disgusting. If you want this, just buy a few pounds of unroasted coffee, rather than paying some exhorbitant amount to a third party for the same.
Not sure what benefits this is supposed to offer over traditional roasted coffee (which makes a pretty tasty beverage), but I'm sure some tout some.
Posted by: looking closely at July 25, 2016 05:27 PM (0hzM1)
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Oddly enough, we just got back from a little hike (600' elevation change) and I'm making myself some tea with cinnamon.....then I come in here and read this.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 05:28 PM (EzgxV)
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All this talk of exercise and dieting and the closest I've heard someone come to mentioning stretching is doing yoga. Maybe I've missed it. Especially as you get up there in age nothing is more important than a good daily stretching routine.
Posted by: JROD at July 25, 2016 05:29 PM (Xbys0)
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some studies have shown dairy interferes with antioxidant absorption, but like so many things with nutrition, it gets blown out of proportion by people with agendas (anti-dairy here)
here's an actual study on it:
http://tinyurl.com/h52j52y
here's an actual study on it:
http://tinyurl.com/h52j52y
Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:29 PM (MJuTN)
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>>>Currently on hour 25 of a planned 48-hour fast. It's going fine.
that sounds tough. i've always wanted to do a 36 one but I'll tell you, I start getting a little unfocused (not to mention hangry) at hour 22.
that sounds tough. i've always wanted to do a 36 one but I'll tell you, I start getting a little unfocused (not to mention hangry) at hour 22.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:30 PM (dciA+)
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What I think is good weighing advice is something I read in "the carbohydrate addicts diet" book. Weigh daily, write the #s down and average weekly. Your weight fluctuates and you don't want to get dismayed or given false confidence by a bit of water retention or dehydration.
I thought that book had a lot of good psychological advise for dieting and think it could be useful even for someone who was using a different eating plan. Tips to prepare for the diet saboteurs who will try to shove cake on you "or you'll hurt my feelings" even when you've explained you are dieting and so on.
I thought that book had a lot of good psychological advise for dieting and think it could be useful even for someone who was using a different eating plan. Tips to prepare for the diet saboteurs who will try to shove cake on you "or you'll hurt my feelings" even when you've explained you are dieting and so on.
Posted by: Palerider at July 25, 2016 05:30 PM (dkExz)
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@Minuteman I never did find a good substitute for bread but I do want to call out mashed califlower to you. That was flat delicious and had a mouth feel like mashed potatoes.
Any good sources for Manufacturing Cream (easy now) in the Seattle area? I might want to try that.
Any good sources for Manufacturing Cream (easy now) in the Seattle area? I might want to try that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (O6j1v)
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>>>All this talk of exercise and dieting and the closest I've heard someone come to mentioning stretching is doing yoga. Maybe I've missed it. Especially as you get up there in age nothing is more important than a good daily stretching routine.
i actually have to re-learn how to stretch. I've lost most of my flexibility. I especially need to just do it every day.
i actually have to re-learn how to stretch. I've lost most of my flexibility. I especially need to just do it every day.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
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I quit coffee cold turkey about six months ago, and I feel better, replaced it with V-8.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (6Ll1u)
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Here ya go:
http://pokpoksom.com/
Pok Pok Som Drinking Vinegar and Soda
Really really tasty -- and I don't even like vinegr, generally!
http://farmhouseculture.com/gutshot/
Gut Shot probiotic vingar drinks.
I've tried Ginger Beet and Garlic Dill Pickle -- both recommended.
https://draxe.com/switchel/
Switchel: The Hipster Fermented Drink that Benefits Your Gut
http://pokpoksom.com/
Pok Pok Som Drinking Vinegar and Soda
Really really tasty -- and I don't even like vinegr, generally!
http://farmhouseculture.com/gutshot/
Gut Shot probiotic vingar drinks.
I've tried Ginger Beet and Garlic Dill Pickle -- both recommended.
https://draxe.com/switchel/
Switchel: The Hipster Fermented Drink that Benefits Your Gut
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (jBuUi)
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I've been on a summer shape-up program, but Ace's IF post really turbocharged it. I read Jason Fung (MD)'s book "The Obesity Code" and incorporated 24-32 hour fasts (usually about 30, I start fasting after dinner on, say, a Sunday and then have a small, nutritious meal to break it about an hour before sleep Monday).
Age 51, Male. Weight: 191, down 1.5 lbs for week, 14 pounds since my "Summer Shape Up" began on Memorial Day.
Consecutive pushups: 25 (+4 from last week!)
Dips: 5 (+1)
Pullups: .25 (I cheated like hell but damn if I didn't get my chin over the bar for the first time this summer). I tested myself in the same fasted state I did last week. Maybe next week I can do a pullup without cheating.
I take the dog for long walks, swim laps, do some strength training with bodyweight, bands, and freeweights. Sex with spouse: AWESOME! We're talking mahogany. Teak. Me and the overweight rescuemutt do windsprints once a week too (the dog is on a summer shape-up too, whether he likes it or not).
Only asterisk should for the week is that yesterday I took my son to the special TCM showing of "Planet of the Apes" (look for the Dr. Zaius comedy interview with Ben Mankiewicz online, it's pretty funny if you like the movies) and I went rather nuts: had a large Coke, Milk Duds, and lots of popcorn. Weirdly, I didn't get a "sugar rush/letdown" from the Coca-Cola and Milk Duds. I think my muscles/liver ate all the carbs.
Age 51, Male. Weight: 191, down 1.5 lbs for week, 14 pounds since my "Summer Shape Up" began on Memorial Day.
Consecutive pushups: 25 (+4 from last week!)
Dips: 5 (+1)
Pullups: .25 (I cheated like hell but damn if I didn't get my chin over the bar for the first time this summer). I tested myself in the same fasted state I did last week. Maybe next week I can do a pullup without cheating.
I take the dog for long walks, swim laps, do some strength training with bodyweight, bands, and freeweights. Sex with spouse: AWESOME! We're talking mahogany. Teak. Me and the overweight rescuemutt do windsprints once a week too (the dog is on a summer shape-up too, whether he likes it or not).
Only asterisk should for the week is that yesterday I took my son to the special TCM showing of "Planet of the Apes" (look for the Dr. Zaius comedy interview with Ben Mankiewicz online, it's pretty funny if you like the movies) and I went rather nuts: had a large Coke, Milk Duds, and lots of popcorn. Weirdly, I didn't get a "sugar rush/letdown" from the Coca-Cola and Milk Duds. I think my muscles/liver ate all the carbs.
Posted by: Eric E. at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (7b4Mw)
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#62: Can't really build muscle while trying to lose weight, gotta do one or the other.
I think its *possible* to do that, but only if you're starting from a place of way excess weight. Once you're lean, no, won't work.
As has been the experience of many, when I started lifting I gained weight (only a teeny bit) but also lost body fat, so even though there wasn't a big change in weight, there was a noticeable difference in appearance.
I think its *possible* to do that, but only if you're starting from a place of way excess weight. Once you're lean, no, won't work.
As has been the experience of many, when I started lifting I gained weight (only a teeny bit) but also lost body fat, so even though there wasn't a big change in weight, there was a noticeable difference in appearance.
Posted by: looking closely at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (0hzM1)
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I lost .4 pounds since Thursday. I went out Thursday and drank a 12 pack and ate burritos Friday. Right back on the horse Saturday.
I went to the gym this morning and did deadlifts and kettle ball swings. I walked 2 miles.
I may try the coffee.
I went to the gym this morning and did deadlifts and kettle ball swings. I walked 2 miles.
I may try the coffee.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (eU/yZ)
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Oh, lactic acid-wise, an interesting thing about Maffetone:
I've been running off-and-on for years now and it's always hurt. Calves, achilles tendons in particular. I interpreted this as muscular, but my calves were plenty strong from lifting.
If I run at that low heart-rate (180-age), I don't get the pain at all. So...the pain may have been an inability of the cardio-vascular system to evacuate the lactic acid? Dunno. If you have that kind of issue, it might be worthwhile to check out working at a lower heart rate.
I've been running off-and-on for years now and it's always hurt. Calves, achilles tendons in particular. I interpreted this as muscular, but my calves were plenty strong from lifting.
If I run at that low heart-rate (180-age), I don't get the pain at all. So...the pain may have been an inability of the cardio-vascular system to evacuate the lactic acid? Dunno. If you have that kind of issue, it might be worthwhile to check out working at a lower heart rate.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 05:32 PM (7zeA4)
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Ace - you are right on w your low (no) sugar high fat diet. I had vsg surgery in December and have been following this plan to a T since and have lost 80 pounds. Feel fantastic too.
Posted by: Skb71 at July 25, 2016 05:32 PM (9ZlKo)
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I started this with the post where you lost 14 pounds. Read all of Jason Fung's blog. It makes perfect sense as a medically oriented thinker. The fasting was easier than I expected. I did 16 hours with the 8 hour window. Started on a weekend. It took me two weeks for results. And then, I didn't drop much...3 pounds. Perhaps because I was already fairly low carb, but not necessarily high fat. Tweaking and not much going on. Perhaps menopause being fairly recent plays a role?
I am a coffee w cream drinker and I still only have one cup in am. I I've got a good fasting schedule with lots of water or all natural carbonated h20. I don't feel tired nor do I lack energy. Gonna keep going with it...
I am a coffee w cream drinker and I still only have one cup in am. I I've got a good fasting schedule with lots of water or all natural carbonated h20. I don't feel tired nor do I lack energy. Gonna keep going with it...
Posted by: DefendUSA at July 25, 2016 05:32 PM (wD+vh)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)
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Ace..
What DO you eat during those 4-6 hours that you're actually eating? protien/salads/good fats? Can you provide an example?
What DO you eat during those 4-6 hours that you're actually eating? protien/salads/good fats? Can you provide an example?
Posted by: Citation X Driver at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (ABJy3)
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good daily stretching routine
Posted by: JROD at July 25, 2016 05:29 PM (Xbys0)
Good thought. When I think about it, I do stretching (as in every muscle I can think of, back, trunk, limbs, neck) before bed. Helps sleep enormously. I need to think about it more often, like every night and not just once in awhile.
Posted by: JROD at July 25, 2016 05:29 PM (Xbys0)
Good thought. When I think about it, I do stretching (as in every muscle I can think of, back, trunk, limbs, neck) before bed. Helps sleep enormously. I need to think about it more often, like every night and not just once in awhile.
Posted by: scoville unit at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (0adl+)
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29
7 >>> the beer thing is hard to do. I like it.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace
Highly recommended:
Dry hard cider.
Really really tasty (if you get the good stuff), and all the sugar has been converted to alcohol, so it's not as fattening.
Go for British or French ciders, or high-end American ciders
(especially from Vermont, Michigan and Oregon). Stay away from the
horrible mass-produced corporate stuff, like Angry Orchard or Redd's,
both of which are horrible.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (jBuUi)
I had been wondering about insulin response from highly fermented "dry" wines/ciders/etc. I'm thinking, since alcohol is processed differently from sugars, they might be the superior tipple from a dieting perspective.
7 >>> the beer thing is hard to do. I like it.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace
Highly recommended:
Dry hard cider.
Really really tasty (if you get the good stuff), and all the sugar has been converted to alcohol, so it's not as fattening.
Go for British or French ciders, or high-end American ciders
(especially from Vermont, Michigan and Oregon). Stay away from the
horrible mass-produced corporate stuff, like Angry Orchard or Redd's,
both of which are horrible.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016 05:16 PM (jBuUi)
I had been wondering about insulin response from highly fermented "dry" wines/ciders/etc. I'm thinking, since alcohol is processed differently from sugars, they might be the superior tipple from a dieting perspective.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (EzgxV)
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I've tried the unsalted butter in my coffee, and I much prefer heavy cream instead. My heavy cream container says 0 carbs per 2 Tbsp serving, so that should be okay, right? I also add a spoonful of coconut oil. Not a huge fan of the way the oil sits on the coffee but it's okay.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (smnIE)
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I'm down to 210 from 250 four months ago. 1400 calories per day.
Another forty pounds to go. I've been reading about high fat--low carb--moderate protein diets at mercola.com and drberg.com
Transitioning to the high fat type diet, still with calories counted. Wondering if such a diet will enable me to stop counting calories and not regain once I reach my goal.
I do practically no exercise. Otta change that.
Another forty pounds to go. I've been reading about high fat--low carb--moderate protein diets at mercola.com and drberg.com
Transitioning to the high fat type diet, still with calories counted. Wondering if such a diet will enable me to stop counting calories and not regain once I reach my goal.
I do practically no exercise. Otta change that.
Posted by: Kevin C at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (AAK04)
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As far as stretching goes, get a foam roller it'll pay for itself before you know it.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:34 PM (R5HRU)
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And I tried two recipes this weekend that worked well -- first, this "bread":
http://www.dietdoctor.com/recipes/keto-garlic-bread
I don't like garlic, so I skipped that part of it. This is a very satisfying recipe. I've found that the ritual of a prep, and the look and feel of things, is critical to finding satisfaction with foods. This recipe, that uses almond flour, gives you a nice sticky bouncy dough. And you get myriad wonderful little air pockets, just like real bread, but by combining baking powder and vinegar in the mix, rather than with yeast.
You can make about 10 good-size rolls with the recipe, and warm these in the oven later. You can cut them in half and use them as english muffins; they'd probably make good hamburger buns too. It's not bread, but it's close enough for me. Great with butter, and great for dipping into:
Clam chowder:
https://www.verywell.com/low-carb-clam-chowder-2242410
This is a really good clam chowder. I added extra clams, a little extra celery and celery salt, used straight heavy cream (no milk), and a few dashes of hot sauce. I used coconut flour for thickener. It's not the thickest chowder I've ever had or made, but it has a great flavor, as much flavor as any I've had. I think the coconut flour really helps with the flavor.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/recipes/keto-garlic-bread
I don't like garlic, so I skipped that part of it. This is a very satisfying recipe. I've found that the ritual of a prep, and the look and feel of things, is critical to finding satisfaction with foods. This recipe, that uses almond flour, gives you a nice sticky bouncy dough. And you get myriad wonderful little air pockets, just like real bread, but by combining baking powder and vinegar in the mix, rather than with yeast.
You can make about 10 good-size rolls with the recipe, and warm these in the oven later. You can cut them in half and use them as english muffins; they'd probably make good hamburger buns too. It's not bread, but it's close enough for me. Great with butter, and great for dipping into:
Clam chowder:
https://www.verywell.com/low-carb-clam-chowder-2242410
This is a really good clam chowder. I added extra clams, a little extra celery and celery salt, used straight heavy cream (no milk), and a few dashes of hot sauce. I used coconut flour for thickener. It's not the thickest chowder I've ever had or made, but it has a great flavor, as much flavor as any I've had. I think the coconut flour really helps with the flavor.
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Posted by: Palerider at July 25, 2016 05:30 PM (dkExz)
The saboteurs kill me. No, I don't want cake. Or your bread. I take it to go and throw it away.
The saboteurs kill me. No, I don't want cake. Or your bread. I take it to go and throw it away.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:35 PM (eU/yZ)
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Ace--
The funny thing about fasting is that when I first started putting on the pounds (back in the '90s) I would fast for days at a time. My record, I think, was four.
The interesting thing to me was that I would start to look better. My skin (which has never been great) would sort of start to glow, and I'd get compliments on it.
I didn't pursue it though, because Everyone Knows Fasting Is Bad.
It gets easier, just like the short fasts, by the way. At a certain point, you actually get a near revulsion of eating.
The funny thing about fasting is that when I first started putting on the pounds (back in the '90s) I would fast for days at a time. My record, I think, was four.
The interesting thing to me was that I would start to look better. My skin (which has never been great) would sort of start to glow, and I'd get compliments on it.
I didn't pursue it though, because Everyone Knows Fasting Is Bad.
It gets easier, just like the short fasts, by the way. At a certain point, you actually get a near revulsion of eating.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 05:35 PM (7zeA4)
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I am in perfect health.
Except for this slight chest pain that goes down my arm, the numbness in my left hand, and my swollowen ankles. Well, and I can't feel anything below my knees, and I get out of breath tying my shoes.
But other than that, I'm in perfect health. I could live to be a hundred. Don't know why I would want to.
I am in perfect health.
Except for this slight chest pain that goes down my arm, the numbness in my left hand, and my swollowen ankles. Well, and I can't feel anything below my knees, and I get out of breath tying my shoes.
But other than that, I'm in perfect health. I could live to be a hundred. Don't know why I would want to.
Posted by: G. R. Longfingers at July 25, 2016 05:35 PM (zySRA)
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The number on the scale went down this morning by 1. I think I am losing around a pound a week more or less. I have lost 16 pounds so far, aiming to lose another 14. I expect it to slow down as I am technically within normal weight now (according to BMI chart)
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:35 PM (7lVbc)
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
I do my stretching during my morning shower. Yes I may make environmentalists mad for wasting water but I'm also not recycling so what's your point.
I do my stretching during my morning shower. Yes I may make environmentalists mad for wasting water but I'm also not recycling so what's your point.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 05:36 PM (W9BSD)
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I've amped up my MTB riding and started road bike riding again with 3-4 HIT sessions mixed in throughout the week. I feed the machine with lots of turkey pieces cooked with uncured pancetta and veggies. I start the day with Lucky Charms and 2 scoops of muscle milk.
Ace, with your shoulder jacked, you can still amp up the metabolism doing squats and lunges until the rest of you heals up.
Ace, with your shoulder jacked, you can still amp up the metabolism doing squats and lunges until the rest of you heals up.
Posted by: fastfreefall at July 25, 2016 05:36 PM (50okW)
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Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:34 PM (R5HRU)
Love the foam roller. You can also use tennis balls, I like a lacrosse ball. It's painful.
Love the foam roller. You can also use tennis balls, I like a lacrosse ball. It's painful.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:36 PM (eU/yZ)
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The biggest obstacle for me is definitely booze.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:37 PM (R5HRU)
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Lost 45 pounds (also down to 185) since December 15, mostly by carefully tracking calories on MyFitnessBuddy and setting it for 1200-1600 a day. At first I was eating almost nothing but Fage 0% yogurt and some kind of canned fish like oysters, clams, sardines or tuna. And spicing it up with Carolina Reaper pepper. About a month ago I switched to the high fat diet and have been eating a lot of salmon steaks, ground beef, butter and cheese. I feel much more satisfied but have neither lost or gained any weight on the high fat. Probably because I've started ignoring the calorie count and eating a lot more.
Posted by: Fischer at July 25, 2016 05:37 PM (lugza)
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29 7 >>> the beer thing is hard to do. I like it.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace
Highly recommended:
Dry hard cider.
Really really tasty (if you get the good stuff), and all the sugar has been converted to alcohol, so it's not as fattening.
Go for British or French ciders, or high-end American ciders (especially from Vermont, Michigan and Oregon). Stay away from the horrible mass-produced corporate stuff, like Angry Orchard or Redd's, both of which are horrible.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016
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Thanxs guys. Love the red wines...not a fan of cider.
And it helps I think, if only to adjust attitude. I believe red wine is good for you.
I'm down about 13 lbs but more importantly, two belt holes.
But it's about moderation.
atkins suggests switching your taste to dry red wine or liquor. I go the red wine route, myself.
Posted by: ace
Highly recommended:
Dry hard cider.
Really really tasty (if you get the good stuff), and all the sugar has been converted to alcohol, so it's not as fattening.
Go for British or French ciders, or high-end American ciders (especially from Vermont, Michigan and Oregon). Stay away from the horrible mass-produced corporate stuff, like Angry Orchard or Redd's, both of which are horrible.
Posted by: zombie at July 25, 2016
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Thanxs guys. Love the red wines...not a fan of cider.
And it helps I think, if only to adjust attitude. I believe red wine is good for you.
I'm down about 13 lbs but more importantly, two belt holes.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:37 PM (r65B3)
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The coffee recipe is just two tablespoons of grass-fed unsalted butter (Kerrygold has one of the most widely distributed of such butters; look for the silver label for unsalted (gold is salted)), and some medium-chain triglyceride oil, available from Amazon in various forms. I use coconut oil, but not for any particular reason.
I also put a lot of Saigon cinnamon in mine, plus non-sugar sweetener (stevia for me -- I don't taste the bad taste many object to).-ace
Love ya ace, but what the hell?!?!?!?
Butter, Sweetener and cinnamon in coffee? Good Lord
I also put a lot of Saigon cinnamon in mine, plus non-sugar sweetener (stevia for me -- I don't taste the bad taste many object to).-ace
Love ya ace, but what the hell?!?!?!?
Butter, Sweetener and cinnamon in coffee? Good Lord
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 25, 2016 05:37 PM (voOPb)
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Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:36 PM (eU/yZ)
Good call! I forgot about the lacrosse ball, that's for serious knots and you're right; hurts like a sumbitch but it is wonderful for spot kneading.
Good call! I forgot about the lacrosse ball, that's for serious knots and you're right; hurts like a sumbitch but it is wonderful for spot kneading.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:37 PM (R5HRU)
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Tips to prepare for the diet saboteurs who will try to shove cake on you "or you'll hurt my feelings" even when you've explained you are dieting and so on.
******
Heh.
Diet saboteurs and their hurt feelings. That has got some bite to that insight.
******
Heh.
Diet saboteurs and their hurt feelings. That has got some bite to that insight.
Posted by: Taco Shack at July 25, 2016 05:38 PM (C+qQ0)
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Nothing new to report on the diet/weight loss front since I pretty much take weekends off. I did hit the treadmill for four miles last night with a 4mph pace, though. Going to shoot for five miles tonight. Mostly walking with some short bursts of jogging in there.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2016 05:38 PM (GUBah)
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Ace inspired me this weekend to re-read my Taubes book "Why we get fat." So I have been luxuriating in the meat and fat since Saturday. I always have trouble keeping my carbs below 20g per day but this time, with all the eggs and mayo in the fridge, who knows?
Posted by: Lurkette at July 25, 2016 05:38 PM (PLmfk)
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Stats for when I started IF (I was already doing lchf) and today:
DATE TIME SYS DIA HEART WEIGHT NOTES
16-07-08 05:28 126 85 67 173.6 start intermittent fasting (20:4)
16-07-25 05:09 102 71 81 167.4
I just broke a 44-hour fast, and wasn't especially hungry when I did. A lot of hard physical labor yesterday, and didn't feel weak or wobbly. My target weight is about 155.
DATE TIME SYS DIA HEART WEIGHT NOTES
16-07-08 05:28 126 85 67 173.6 start intermittent fasting (20:4)
16-07-25 05:09 102 71 81 167.4
I just broke a 44-hour fast, and wasn't especially hungry when I did. A lot of hard physical labor yesterday, and didn't feel weak or wobbly. My target weight is about 155.
Posted by: lizardbrain at July 25, 2016 05:38 PM (EXDjY)
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need more talk of GAINS, bro
Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:39 PM (MJuTN)
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>>>
What DO you eat during those 4-6 hours that you're actually eating? protien/salads/good fats? Can you provide an example?
i'm pretty strict. Just protein and fat, mostly. Meat and low-car veggies.
I get extra fat wherever I can. Like, if i get cobb salad for dinner, I pay to get extra avocado and extra eggs. (The yolks have lots of fat.)
I also try to get broccoli whenever I can, becasue broccoli supposedly has something in it that interferes with an enzyme in your body that turns testosterone to estrogen. So, if you can knock out this enzyme, you increase your net testosterone.
It makes it enjoyable to eat broccoli when you're saying to yourself "This is boosting my testosterone, this is boosting my testosterone."
(Which is important for women as well: In both sexes, estrogen causes fat accumulation, and testosterone causes fat burning and muscle growth.)
When I do a fat fast I just get a tub of sour cream, a thing of onion soup powder, and make onino dip. Then I stick broccoli florets in it.
I try to get salmon frequently. I do a bagel-with-out-the-bagel meal with salmon, cream cheese, onion and tomato. A lot of fat there, and good protein with Omega 3's.
I come back to bacon and eggs a lot. cheap, and very good for you. Sometimes I make extra eggs and just have the yolks.
What DO you eat during those 4-6 hours that you're actually eating? protien/salads/good fats? Can you provide an example?
i'm pretty strict. Just protein and fat, mostly. Meat and low-car veggies.
I get extra fat wherever I can. Like, if i get cobb salad for dinner, I pay to get extra avocado and extra eggs. (The yolks have lots of fat.)
I also try to get broccoli whenever I can, becasue broccoli supposedly has something in it that interferes with an enzyme in your body that turns testosterone to estrogen. So, if you can knock out this enzyme, you increase your net testosterone.
It makes it enjoyable to eat broccoli when you're saying to yourself "This is boosting my testosterone, this is boosting my testosterone."
(Which is important for women as well: In both sexes, estrogen causes fat accumulation, and testosterone causes fat burning and muscle growth.)
When I do a fat fast I just get a tub of sour cream, a thing of onion soup powder, and make onino dip. Then I stick broccoli florets in it.
I try to get salmon frequently. I do a bagel-with-out-the-bagel meal with salmon, cream cheese, onion and tomato. A lot of fat there, and good protein with Omega 3's.
I come back to bacon and eggs a lot. cheap, and very good for you. Sometimes I make extra eggs and just have the yolks.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:39 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 05:39 PM (qUNWi)
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12, responding to above, heavy cream, I'm willing to try, though the lactose is a downer there.
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The heavier the fat content, the less lactose..
I read somewhere that 1/2 & 1/2 has about half the lactose of whole milk.
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The heavier the fat content, the less lactose..
I read somewhere that 1/2 & 1/2 has about half the lactose of whole milk.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (so+oy)
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Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:39 PM (MJuTN)
I'm starting my lifting program over it's been months since I've lifted so I'm starting back at week 1 of week 5 with week 1 weight totals.
I'm starting my lifting program over it's been months since I've lifted so I'm starting back at week 1 of week 5 with week 1 weight totals.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (R5HRU)
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Well, the formatting sure got messed up between writing and "Post." You can probably figure it out.
Posted by: lizardbrain at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (EXDjY)
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Terribly cynical, cynical thing I actually said to my doctor at one point:
Yes. I know my weight is an issue. However, when I get some horrible wasting disease (heart disease is rampant in the family; cancer as well, but not as prevalent) that causes me to lose a lot of weight, I'll be good at the end of treatment. Trim and ready to rumble.
If you're super stick thin and get sick, you can't lose 40lbs without it being dangerous.
/and yes, my doctor did sort of yell at me for saying this. But did not disagree
Yes. I know my weight is an issue. However, when I get some horrible wasting disease (heart disease is rampant in the family; cancer as well, but not as prevalent) that causes me to lose a lot of weight, I'll be good at the end of treatment. Trim and ready to rumble.
If you're super stick thin and get sick, you can't lose 40lbs without it being dangerous.
/and yes, my doctor did sort of yell at me for saying this. But did not disagree
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (tvyXw)
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Look into Ketogenic diets. The Bulletproof claims are a bit much, but they are on the right track. Tim Ferris and Joe Rogan podcasts covered the topic a few times recently.
Posted by: Dave at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (Um/n9)
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Ima gonna try the intermittent fasting thing. I heard somewhere on here that the LCHF doesn't work as well for females and that's good enough for me because I don't know if I can live without my pasta and bread.
Question: With the fasting, is it okay to have tea with Splenda in the
AM, or is that considered something bad? I'm thinking I can go from 8PM
to Noon or even 1PM the next day without trouble, as long as I can have
my caffeine in the morning.
I've only got to lose about 15 lbs. May not sound like much, but when you're only 5' 2", there's not a lot of places for it to go, so it's kinda like a normal person carrying around an extra 30 lbs. or so.
Question: With the fasting, is it okay to have tea with Splenda in the
AM, or is that considered something bad? I'm thinking I can go from 8PM
to Noon or even 1PM the next day without trouble, as long as I can have
my caffeine in the morning.
I've only got to lose about 15 lbs. May not sound like much, but when you're only 5' 2", there's not a lot of places for it to go, so it's kinda like a normal person carrying around an extra 30 lbs. or so.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (Lsu4e)
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brak--Off lifting till I finish this Maffetone experiment. But (assuming this is still running) I'll post even my embarrassing lifts.
Great thing about being at zero: You gain so fast! =P
Great thing about being at zero: You gain so fast! =P
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (7zeA4)
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We have a cafeteria at work that's free for employees That's a problem. I have been doing well the last couple of weeks having a salad and piece of fish or chicken for lunch, and have lost about 8 or 10 pounds going no carb, but today I went berserk and had six hush puppies.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:41 PM (Sfs6o)
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:39 PM (dciA+)
I'm lazy as shit but yep, I'll make 4 slices of bacon and 4-6 scrambled eggs with spinach.
I'm lazy as shit but yep, I'll make 4 slices of bacon and 4-6 scrambled eggs with spinach.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 05:41 PM (R5HRU)
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Is it wrong that while I was reading the post, I kept hearing it in Rich Evans' voice?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 25, 2016 05:41 PM (AroJD)
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60 Have you tried the Lyrica for the neuropathy?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (W9BSD)
No but my doctor did say that we could try some drug that may help. I am already taking a tray full of drugs in the morning and evening for the heart and BP. And my oncologist had previously told me that if it did not go away after 6 months it would never go away and there was nothing you could do about it. So I declined. It has been years now and it has not gone away.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (W9BSD)
No but my doctor did say that we could try some drug that may help. I am already taking a tray full of drugs in the morning and evening for the heart and BP. And my oncologist had previously told me that if it did not go away after 6 months it would never go away and there was nothing you could do about it. So I declined. It has been years now and it has not gone away.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (mpXpK)
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Hey Ace:
Got to get back to the gym but I've managed to cut out bread, pasta and baked goods and I think I'm losing a bit of my bay window. Still eat rice and potatoes once or twice a week.
And whoever invented prunes is a genius!
Hey Ace:
Got to get back to the gym but I've managed to cut out bread, pasta and baked goods and I think I'm losing a bit of my bay window. Still eat rice and potatoes once or twice a week.
And whoever invented prunes is a genius!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (27m1/)
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I have a question about IF
Do you get hungrier during fasting as your percent of body fat decreases?
It would seem logical to me that the less fat you have to burn, the quicker your body gets to hunger.
Anyone know how exactly the body decides which fat to burn?
Do you get hungrier during fasting as your percent of body fat decreases?
It would seem logical to me that the less fat you have to burn, the quicker your body gets to hunger.
Anyone know how exactly the body decides which fat to burn?
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (7lVbc)
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>>>
Ace, with your shoulder jacked, you can still amp up the metabolism doing squats and lunges until the rest of you heals up.
yeah i've realized that, but i've been avoiding it. I just got a bosu ball for home so I can do squats on that (the balancing aspect seems to make squats harder, like you're lifting weight).
Ace, with your shoulder jacked, you can still amp up the metabolism doing squats and lunges until the rest of you heals up.
yeah i've realized that, but i've been avoiding it. I just got a bosu ball for home so I can do squats on that (the balancing aspect seems to make squats harder, like you're lifting weight).
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (dciA+)
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We all have to start somewhere. If you're in there lifting you're already ahead of most people. The gains will come.
Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (MJuTN)
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Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:39 PM (MJuTN)
I deadlifted 115 today. I'm awesome.
I deadlifted 115 today. I'm awesome.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (eU/yZ)
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Ace--
The magic is in cruciferous vegetables. Of which, broccoli is the least repulsive. The others are cauliflower, brussel sprouts...
BTW, you think fish in a microwave is bad? You can clear out an office by nuking a bunch of cruciferous vegetables.
Heh.
The magic is in cruciferous vegetables. Of which, broccoli is the least repulsive. The others are cauliflower, brussel sprouts...
BTW, you think fish in a microwave is bad? You can clear out an office by nuking a bunch of cruciferous vegetables.
Heh.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (7zeA4)
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We have a cafeteria at work that's free for
employees That's a problem. I have been doing well the last couple of
weeks having a salad and piece of fish or chicken for lunch, and have
lost about 8 or 10 pounds going no carb, but today I went berserk and
had six hush puppies.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:41 PM (Sfs6o)
Don't feel bad. I had to go to a luncheon today. I indulged in a small roll and about 2 tablespoons of mashed potatoes and gravy. And a piece of lemon cake.
employees That's a problem. I have been doing well the last couple of
weeks having a salad and piece of fish or chicken for lunch, and have
lost about 8 or 10 pounds going no carb, but today I went berserk and
had six hush puppies.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:41 PM (Sfs6o)
Don't feel bad. I had to go to a luncheon today. I indulged in a small roll and about 2 tablespoons of mashed potatoes and gravy. And a piece of lemon cake.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (GUBah)
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A fifth a day makes the Doctor say HEY!!
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (ODxAs)
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I used to hate fasting over Yom Kippur. By 3PM I was getting a wicked headache and had to break the fast early.
My very pious grandfather went from sundown to 9PM the following night with no food or water and he was in his 80s. Old Jake was quite a guy.
I used to hate fasting over Yom Kippur. By 3PM I was getting a wicked headache and had to break the fast early.
My very pious grandfather went from sundown to 9PM the following night with no food or water and he was in his 80s. Old Jake was quite a guy.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (27m1/)
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I am in perfect health.
Except for this slight chest pain that goes down my arm, the numbness in my left hand, and my swollowen ankles. Well, and I can't feel anything below my knees, and I get out of breath tying my shoes.
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I love it when you tie the shoes and then raise up quickly. Your vision goes all dark and there little light flashes. And your get all numb...what a rush!
Except for this slight chest pain that goes down my arm, the numbness in my left hand, and my swollowen ankles. Well, and I can't feel anything below my knees, and I get out of breath tying my shoes.
- - - -
I love it when you tie the shoes and then raise up quickly. Your vision goes all dark and there little light flashes. And your get all numb...what a rush!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (r65B3)
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>>>Anyone know how exactly the body decides which fat to burn?
I have a partial answer to that. The most dangerous fat in your body is visceral fat, the fat that accumulates around your midsection and I think even between your organs.
The accumulation of this fat is what gives people beer bellies, where their abdomen gets very thick, with the fat seeming to be inside, rather than outside in blubber.
That's the deadliest kind of fat there is.
The good news is it's the most metabolically active fat there is. So when you burn fat, you burn that type of fat preferentially.
so that's good
I have a partial answer to that. The most dangerous fat in your body is visceral fat, the fat that accumulates around your midsection and I think even between your organs.
The accumulation of this fat is what gives people beer bellies, where their abdomen gets very thick, with the fat seeming to be inside, rather than outside in blubber.
That's the deadliest kind of fat there is.
The good news is it's the most metabolically active fat there is. So when you burn fat, you burn that type of fat preferentially.
so that's good
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (dciA+)
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Does adding FUCK to a video make it hip, or just crude?
I thought we were trying to remove FUCK from the HQ?
I guess FUCKING NOT
I thought we were trying to remove FUCK from the HQ?
I guess FUCKING NOT
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (F1iXz)
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#62: Can't really build muscle while trying to lose weight, gotta do one or the other.
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I'm not trying to build muscle right now. Just trying to figure out what would account for having gone up a pound over the weekend when I've been pretty disciplined about LCHF/IF. Yesterday for example I didn't eat anything at all until 4:30pm when I ate a piece of cheese to tide me over til dinner. Then for dinner I had a salad with Alaskan crab, some high fat cheese crumbled in there, and some olive oil and melted butter drizzled on. I should not be gaining any fat right now so thinking that a pound up over the weekend might be muscle.
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I'm not trying to build muscle right now. Just trying to figure out what would account for having gone up a pound over the weekend when I've been pretty disciplined about LCHF/IF. Yesterday for example I didn't eat anything at all until 4:30pm when I ate a piece of cheese to tide me over til dinner. Then for dinner I had a salad with Alaskan crab, some high fat cheese crumbled in there, and some olive oil and melted butter drizzled on. I should not be gaining any fat right now so thinking that a pound up over the weekend might be muscle.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (SUtNI)
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yeah i've realized that, but i've been avoiding it. I
just got a bosu ball for home so I can do squats on that (the balancing
aspect seems to make squats harder, like you're lifting weight).
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (dciA+)
Perfect your squats on the floor before moving to the BOSU ball.
just got a bosu ball for home so I can do squats on that (the balancing
aspect seems to make squats harder, like you're lifting weight).
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (dciA+)
Perfect your squats on the floor before moving to the BOSU ball.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
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My very pious grandfather went from sundown to 9PM the following night with no food or water and he was in his 80s. Old Jake was quite a guy.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (27m1/)
Will is a heck of a thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (27m1/)
Will is a heck of a thing.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (3ZoRf)
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Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 25, 2016 05:40 PM (tvyXw)
This is true, I had surgery and was really sick. I lost 20 pounds in 10 days. My brother called me Karen carpenter. I looked terrible.
This is true, I had surgery and was really sick. I lost 20 pounds in 10 days. My brother called me Karen carpenter. I looked terrible.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
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@ 126: BTW, you think fish in a microwave is bad? You can clear out an office by nuking a bunch of cruciferous vegetables.
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Or borscht. Gawd that stuff is vile!
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Or borscht. Gawd that stuff is vile!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (r65B3)
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Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
What's a hush puppy?
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
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Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (r65B3)
Uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT A RUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHHHH!
Uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT A RUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHHHH!
Posted by: Hawk - Legion of Doom at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (R5HRU)
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Has anyone else tried DHEA for weight loss? I've lost 20 pounds in the last month since I started. Although I'm also taking Cymbalta for neuropathy, and (lucky me) instead of increasing my appetite, it's decreasing it.
Posted by: Laura at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (3YYhi)
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yeah i've realized that, but i've been avoiding it. I
just got a bosu ball for home so I can do squats on that (the balancing
aspect seems to make squats harder, like you're lifting weight).
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (dciA+)
I hope you have someone to spot for you. Doing squats on a ball alone seem like a good way to get hurt.
just got a bosu ball for home so I can do squats on that (the balancing
aspect seems to make squats harder, like you're lifting weight).
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (dciA+)
I hope you have someone to spot for you. Doing squats on a ball alone seem like a good way to get hurt.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:47 PM (3ZoRf)
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I deadlifted 115 today. I'm awesome.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (eU/yZ)
Yes you are awesome!!!
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (eU/yZ)
Yes you are awesome!!!
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:47 PM (7lVbc)
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137 My very pious grandfather went from sundown to 9PM the following night with no food or water and he was in his 80s. Old Jake was quite a guy.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (27m1/)
Will is a heck of a thing.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (3ZoRf)
The worst is sitting in temple, with all the old alta-cockers and their collective bile-breath from fasting was something to behold. Feh!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (27m1/)
Will is a heck of a thing.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (3ZoRf)
The worst is sitting in temple, with all the old alta-cockers and their collective bile-breath from fasting was something to behold. Feh!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:47 PM (27m1/)
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I deadlifted 115 today. I'm awesome.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (eU/yZ)
nice work!
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:43 PM (eU/yZ)
nice work!
Posted by: brak at July 25, 2016 05:47 PM (MJuTN)
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I've been trying 18 hour intermittent fasting for a couple of weeks now, and it seems to be working very well. I don't weigh myself much, the differences are too frustrating, and I'm too uncaffeinated in the morning to do it then, when it would be consistent, but it's pretty clear from clothing etc that something is happening, and with remarkable speed. I thought it would be really hard to cut out all the snacking between meals, but it wasn't too bad. Hunger pangs come, but just now and then.
Kind of surprised how straightforward it seems, and how obvious, once you start thinking of your body needing some hours to come down off the insulin, and how only then it start using up your glycogen and then fat, so why not give it as long as possible in that mode?
Kind of surprised how straightforward it seems, and how obvious, once you start thinking of your body needing some hours to come down off the insulin, and how only then it start using up your glycogen and then fat, so why not give it as long as possible in that mode?
Posted by: Splunge at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (iMxBJ)
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139
Or borscht. Gawd that stuff is vile!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (r65B3)
"Yob t'bya, sook'm sin!"
- - Bladdy Pootski
Or borscht. Gawd that stuff is vile!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (r65B3)
"Yob t'bya, sook'm sin!"
- - Bladdy Pootski
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (27m1/)
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Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (SUtNI)
Weight fluctuates I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (SUtNI)
Weight fluctuates I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Posted by: Hawk - Legion of Doom at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (evdj2)
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I like to pop into these threads to remind everyone that Atkins was a shit Dr. My father was his patient when he developed congestive heart failure and in spite of twice weekly visits to Park Ave for chelation, (a non treatment for heart disease designed to efficiently extract money from patient and excuse all the damage his special diet was doing to his heart.) he was diagnosed with a "flu" until he had a massive heart attack at church. I was in CA at the time, and I begged him to drop Atkins and go to a real cardiologist since his condition was even apparent to me on the phone.
He survived that day, but the damage was done and he died a few months later.
He survived that day, but the damage was done and he died a few months later.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (LWu6U)
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If you binge, fret not.
The fear of binging is, IMO, part of the "calorie in/calorie out" mindset. "If I eat X calories, I must burn Y calories."
First, if that were true, the human body would be the ideal machine, because no engine burns 100% of the fuel it takes in.
Second, if you're basically doing the Right Stuff, an occasional binge will not hurt you. That's the premise behind "cheat meal". But even if you can't (like a lot of us) do a cheat meal because of what it leads to (constant cheating), you can not get hung up on the occasional binge.
I once binged (with malice aforethought) on my birthday weekend and gained 13 pounds in four days. One week later, I had lost 12 of those pounds. And, no, I didn't burn up an excess 36K+ calories that week.
I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader as to where those other 12 pounds went.
The fear of binging is, IMO, part of the "calorie in/calorie out" mindset. "If I eat X calories, I must burn Y calories."
First, if that were true, the human body would be the ideal machine, because no engine burns 100% of the fuel it takes in.
Second, if you're basically doing the Right Stuff, an occasional binge will not hurt you. That's the premise behind "cheat meal". But even if you can't (like a lot of us) do a cheat meal because of what it leads to (constant cheating), you can not get hung up on the occasional binge.
I once binged (with malice aforethought) on my birthday weekend and gained 13 pounds in four days. One week later, I had lost 12 of those pounds. And, no, I didn't burn up an excess 36K+ calories that week.
I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader as to where those other 12 pounds went.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (7zeA4)
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Best FUCKING diet I evah was on cost me an eight ball a week.
I worked my ass off, fucked all night and generally had a grand time.
"It's the REAL thing" Too old now for so much fun.
There is a reason Freud liked it.
I worked my ass off, fucked all night and generally had a grand time.
"It's the REAL thing" Too old now for so much fun.
There is a reason Freud liked it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (F1iXz)
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147 Posted by: Splunge at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (iMxBJ)
From what I understand most hunger sensations are from lack of water, and that consequently if you drink a glass of water when you feel like noshing, it should satisfy the craving.
Thoughts?
From what I understand most hunger sensations are from lack of water, and that consequently if you drink a glass of water when you feel like noshing, it should satisfy the craving.
Thoughts?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (27m1/)
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (r65B3)
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (4Hf9E)
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>>
I hope you have someone to spot for you. Doing squats on a ball alone seem like a good way to get hurt.
wall's a foot away. Can always put out a hand.
Instapundit told me that the bosu ball will start forcing the brain to rewire itself to add the skill of balance, and I love anything that has that "hack your brain" claim attached to it, so I'm doing that.
(Plus, real squats, with weight, but I need to get my shoulder back for that.)
I hope you have someone to spot for you. Doing squats on a ball alone seem like a good way to get hurt.
wall's a foot away. Can always put out a hand.
Instapundit told me that the bosu ball will start forcing the brain to rewire itself to add the skill of balance, and I love anything that has that "hack your brain" claim attached to it, so I'm doing that.
(Plus, real squats, with weight, but I need to get my shoulder back for that.)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (dciA+)
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Thanks ace, that's good to know that visceral fat goes first.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (7lVbc)
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So I'll ask again...
If I have black tea with Splenda in the morning, will that be considered breaking the fast?
If I have black tea with Splenda in the morning, will that be considered breaking the fast?
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Lsu4e)
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140 Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
Never been to Calabash, huh?
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
Never been to Calabash, huh?
Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (48QDY)
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140 Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
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Looks like a fried cat turd, but they're delicious.
140 Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
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Looks like a fried cat turd, but they're delicious.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)
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I think the reason Asprey recommends butter is because it's hard to get "high quality" cream. Kerrygold comes from grass-fed cows and you are going to have a hard time finding cream that comes with that benefit (and don't get started on the raw v. pasteurized dairy debate).
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I think it is just to because butter is unique and generates buzz. But you may be right too. I prefer cream, but I enjoy the buttered coffee too.
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I think it is just to because butter is unique and generates buzz. But you may be right too. I prefer cream, but I enjoy the buttered coffee too.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (gmeXX)
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JJ's right. Drink the water.
I also augment with just one hand full of nuts...unsalted mixed nuts. Works well.
I also augment with just one hand full of nuts...unsalted mixed nuts. Works well.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (r65B3)
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160
Never been to Calabash, huh?
Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (48QDY)
"Heh, heh, I'm mortified!"
- - Zombie Jimmy Durante
Never been to Calabash, huh?
Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (48QDY)
"Heh, heh, I'm mortified!"
- - Zombie Jimmy Durante
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (27m1/)
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Good week, got two hour walk in Saturday, now at 101 lbs loss, -1 for week. No special diet just less.
Posted by: Fredlike at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (AHd0y)
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Texas Zombie at 137 -- a pound is really trivial. If you went up a pound, you probably just drank a little more water than usual. Maybe you needed it to process the fiber in the salad or the salt in the cheese.
I don't sweat things day-to-day, I'm trying to focus more on week-to-week.
I don't sweat things day-to-day, I'm trying to focus more on week-to-week.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (+EU58)
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(he claims that he drank tea with yak butter in the Himalayas and it endowed him with superior performance in all ways)
Besides the obvious comedic possibilities here, I remember reading some stuff long ago about spiced tea with butter as a staple drink in Mongolia and Central Asia.
The superior performance stuff is absolute bullshit though. He was a lowlander getting climatized to the high altitude. It was a function of his body having to work harder to pull in enough oxygen to function normally. That's why a lot of athletes prefer to train at high altitudes if possible. When you return to the lowlands to compete, you're frickin' Superman.
(he claims that he drank tea with yak butter in the Himalayas and it endowed him with superior performance in all ways)
Besides the obvious comedic possibilities here, I remember reading some stuff long ago about spiced tea with butter as a staple drink in Mongolia and Central Asia.
The superior performance stuff is absolute bullshit though. He was a lowlander getting climatized to the high altitude. It was a function of his body having to work harder to pull in enough oxygen to function normally. That's why a lot of athletes prefer to train at high altitudes if possible. When you return to the lowlands to compete, you're frickin' Superman.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (LuZz8)
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140
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
It is a type of deep-fried cornbread in small round balls with chopped onion in it. It is usually eaten with fried fish.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Sfs6o)
What's a hush puppy?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:46 PM (eU/yZ)
It is a type of deep-fried cornbread in small round balls with chopped onion in it. It is usually eaten with fried fish.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (mpXpK)
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If I have black tea with Splenda in the morning, will that be considered breaking the fast?
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That's fine as far as I know since it has zero carbs
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That's fine as far as I know since it has zero carbs
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (7lVbc)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (qul7b)
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Nip with the winner.
Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (48QDY)
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161 Looks like a fried cat turd, but they're delicious.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)
*calls DNC for convention concession permit*
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)
*calls DNC for convention concession permit*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (27m1/)
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Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (evdj2)
What's a pone? Help a girl out.
What's a pone? Help a girl out.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (eU/yZ)
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I once lived by an old closed down dairy queen that opened back up as an all you can eat catfish and hushpuppies place, man I miss that place.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (6Ll1u)
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To me the best hushpuppies are basically mexican cornbread balls fried in lard. I prefer them less sweet than some people.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (evdj2)
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You guys made me hungry, so I'm having a couple of slices of Muenster with my cinnamon'd tea.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (EzgxV)
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The worst is sitting in temple, with all the old alta-cockers and their collective bile-breath from fasting was something to behold. Feh!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:47 PM (27m1/)
Try being catholic, a meat lover, and doing an old school no meat during lent but fish. It is easier to be completely vegetarian than to eat no meat but fish.
For me at least.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:47 PM (27m1/)
Try being catholic, a meat lover, and doing an old school no meat during lent but fish. It is easier to be completely vegetarian than to eat no meat but fish.
For me at least.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (3ZoRf)
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170
OT BREAKING 15+ DEAD IN JAPAN KNIFE ATTACK PER FOX
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (qul7b)
Terrific. Just what I need to hear one month before I go to Kyoto and Tokyo.
OT BREAKING 15+ DEAD IN JAPAN KNIFE ATTACK PER FOX
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (qul7b)
Terrific. Just what I need to hear one month before I go to Kyoto and Tokyo.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (27m1/)
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Saw that about Japan.
Wonder whats up with that?
Wonder whats up with that?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (r65B3)
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Hush puppy. That would be part of my last meal on death row. Fish and Chips from Long John Silver with hush puppies.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (W9BSD)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (evdj2)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (mpXpK)
Sounds like heaven.
Sounds like heaven.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)
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I like to eat in the morning but have no problem fasting after about 1400-1500. Is it okay to fast in the afternoon through the following morning?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (jR7Wy)
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173 Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 05:48 PM (evdj2)
What's a pone? Help a girl out.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (eU/yZ)
Pone. Italian-American pronunciation of pony.
What's a pone? Help a girl out.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (eU/yZ)
Pone. Italian-American pronunciation of pony.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (27m1/)
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wall's a foot away. Can always put out a hand.
Instapundit told me that the bosu ball will start forcing the brain to rewire itself to add the skill of balance, and I love anything that has that "hack your brain" claim attached to it, so I'm doing that.
(Plus, real squats, with weight, but I need to get my shoulder back for that.)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (dciA+)
Oh, I thought you were trying to squat on the balls with a bar solo. I was wondering how you could keep from hurting yourself.
wall's a foot away. Can always put out a hand.
Instapundit told me that the bosu ball will start forcing the brain to rewire itself to add the skill of balance, and I love anything that has that "hack your brain" claim attached to it, so I'm doing that.
(Plus, real squats, with weight, but I need to get my shoulder back for that.)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (dciA+)
Oh, I thought you were trying to squat on the balls with a bar solo. I was wondering how you could keep from hurting yourself.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (3ZoRf)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:52 PM (3ZoRf)
Makes me think of fish sticks.
Makes me think of fish sticks.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (eU/yZ)
Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (48QDY)
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>>>I like to eat in the morning but have no problem fasting after about 1400-1500. Is it okay to fast in the afternoon through the following morning?
yeah, it's fine. Might even be a little better to do it that way, because your insulin will be near-zero when you're asleep and pumping out growth hormone (which insulin would negate, were it present).
yeah, it's fine. Might even be a little better to do it that way, because your insulin will be near-zero when you're asleep and pumping out growth hormone (which insulin would negate, were it present).
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (dciA+)
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Country Singer at 127: You ate rolls -- actual real bread rolls -- mashed potatoes -- and LEMON CAKE?
You son of a bitch.
You come in here and speak of LEMON CAKE?
You've betrayed us all. You've let the whole team down, and most of all, you've let yourself down.
You son of a bitch.
You come in here and speak of LEMON CAKE?
You've betrayed us all. You've let the whole team down, and most of all, you've let yourself down.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (+EU58)
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182
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (mpXpK)
Sounds like heaven.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)
They are good but I like just lain old cornbread better, or fried cornbread.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (mpXpK)
Sounds like heaven.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)
They are good but I like just lain old cornbread better, or fried cornbread.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (ODxAs)
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Instapundit told me that the bosu ball will start
forcing the brain to rewire itself to add the skill of balance, and I
love anything that has that "hack your brain" claim attached to it, so
I'm doing that.
(Plus, real squats, with weight, but I need to get my shoulder back for that.)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (dciA+)
If you're going to use the BOSU for squats soon, start working on your core. Planks, jack knives on stability ball, etc (no, not sit ups). Without a strong core, you'll fall off the BOSU.
forcing the brain to rewire itself to add the skill of balance, and I
love anything that has that "hack your brain" claim attached to it, so
I'm doing that.
(Plus, real squats, with weight, but I need to get my shoulder back for that.)
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (dciA+)
If you're going to use the BOSU for squats soon, start working on your core. Planks, jack knives on stability ball, etc (no, not sit ups). Without a strong core, you'll fall off the BOSU.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (Enq6K)
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Best FUCKING diet I evah was on cost me an eight ball a week.
I worked my ass off, fucked all night and generally had a grand time.
"It's the REAL thing" Too old now for so much fun.
There is a reason Freud liked it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (F1iXz)
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Ace may I make a suggestion for a guest blog post.
I worked my ass off, fucked all night and generally had a grand time.
"It's the REAL thing" Too old now for so much fun.
There is a reason Freud liked it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (F1iXz)
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Ace may I make a suggestion for a guest blog post.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 05:55 PM (gmeXX)
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154 From what I understand most hunger sensations are from lack of water, and that consequently if you drink a glass of water when you feel like noshing, it should satisfy the craving.
Thoughts?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (27m1
Tried it, and it doesn't work for me. Nothing really does, but riding it out, waiting for it to stop, is not too hard.
Thoughts?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (27m1
Tried it, and it doesn't work for me. Nothing really does, but riding it out, waiting for it to stop, is not too hard.
Posted by: Splunge at July 25, 2016 05:55 PM (iMxBJ)
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>>>Oh, I thought you were trying to squat on the balls with a bar solo. I was wondering how you could keep from hurting yourself.
no, not with my shoulder out. i'd use a kettleball for weight on the bosu, were i using weight.
no, not with my shoulder out. i'd use a kettleball for weight on the bosu, were i using weight.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:55 PM (dciA+)
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Saw that about Japan.
Wonder whats up with that?
Lack of access to shooty things. Stuck with stabby things.
Wonder whats up with that?
Lack of access to shooty things. Stuck with stabby things.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 05:55 PM (4Hf9E)
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Obama and Michael Obama will be speaking today? We cannot find what time anywhere and do not want to miss there speeches............ We love them and will miss them........
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (NuElX)
Mooch is sometime tonight. The fatter the speakers the closer to her time in an effort to make her look slim by comparison.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 25, 2016 05:25 PM (NuElX)
Mooch is sometime tonight. The fatter the speakers the closer to her time in an effort to make her look slim by comparison.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (yNyJy)
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I love it when you tie the shoes and then raise up quickly. Your vision goes all dark and there little light flashes. And your get all numb...what a rush!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (r65B3)
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That happens to me a lot when I've been sitting at my computer a long time and then I stand up quickly. Come to think of it though, I don't believe it has happened since I started down this healthy living road with y'all.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:44 PM (r65B3)
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That happens to me a lot when I've been sitting at my computer a long time and then I stand up quickly. Come to think of it though, I don't believe it has happened since I started down this healthy living road with y'all.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (SUtNI)
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So was he shouting Allah-san Akbar?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (r65B3)
200
If I have black tea with Splenda in the morning, will that be considered breaking the fast?
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Lsu4e)
Read what's in splenda. You won't want it.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Lsu4e)
Read what's in splenda. You won't want it.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (Enq6K)
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Coconut oil in coffee -- well, I tried it for a couple of days, and wound up feeling sickened by the thought of even doing that again. Plus I like coffee too much (I roast my own) to mess with it that way.
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (mpXpK)
Sounds like heaven.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)
You can leave the onions out, but they must be eaten hot.
Cold hush puppies taste like cold breaded lard, which is what they are/
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM (mpXpK)
Sounds like heaven.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)
You can leave the onions out, but they must be eaten hot.
Cold hush puppies taste like cold breaded lard, which is what they are/
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (F1iXz)
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I try to do the fast but after I work out I'm starving. I eat early by six I've eaten but I will cut a bit*h by 10. I ate today.
I may try the bulletproof coffee. I ordered the oil on Amazon.
I may try the bulletproof coffee. I ordered the oil on Amazon.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (eU/yZ)
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Long time runner who stopped 1.5 years ago due to progressively deteriorating knees (arthritis in both knees).
I got a synvisc injection (viscous liquid made from rooster combs) in right knee one week ago. Left had a cortisone shot and is scheduled for synvisc in another 2 weeks. Clinical studies do not look great, but I have 4 soccer friends who swore by it, so I gave it a try.
Results so far: I am walking about normally (decent improvement). I am now descending stairs (my hardest task) much closer to normal.
Running feels noticeably better. It remains decidedly less comfortable than it did before my knee issues began but a fair amount of improvement. Previously, my normal was not ever having a thought about my knees. Never felt them. So now I feel them and there is some discomfort, but it is a good deal improved. I'd say moderate improvement. More than a little, but not a giant or complete cure. Its enough to make me pretty excited though.
My doctor believes it may slow down the decline, though he stresses that this aspect of synvisc has never been tested and due to the costs of such a study, its not likely to be tested for this.
I should note that I am running against doctor's orders. But it feels a lot better running.
I got a synvisc injection (viscous liquid made from rooster combs) in right knee one week ago. Left had a cortisone shot and is scheduled for synvisc in another 2 weeks. Clinical studies do not look great, but I have 4 soccer friends who swore by it, so I gave it a try.
Results so far: I am walking about normally (decent improvement). I am now descending stairs (my hardest task) much closer to normal.
Running feels noticeably better. It remains decidedly less comfortable than it did before my knee issues began but a fair amount of improvement. Previously, my normal was not ever having a thought about my knees. Never felt them. So now I feel them and there is some discomfort, but it is a good deal improved. I'd say moderate improvement. More than a little, but not a giant or complete cure. Its enough to make me pretty excited though.
My doctor believes it may slow down the decline, though he stresses that this aspect of synvisc has never been tested and due to the costs of such a study, its not likely to be tested for this.
I should note that I am running against doctor's orders. But it feels a lot better running.
Posted by: PRNDL at July 25, 2016 05:57 PM (2Ynt1)
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Oh my God, now you're all going on about hush puppies. Goddammit, I have had maybe 6 grams of carbs in the last week, and you bastards are in here describing lemon cake and hush puppies, and linking to recipes and almost indecent photos of them...
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:57 PM (+EU58)
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I would think a very weak solution of ipecac could curb hunger quite effectively. Full strength and you vomit instantly, diluted to X percent and you just get nauseous but dilute to ? percent and it could theoretically be enough to make you not hungry without feeling ill.
If I were a chemist, I'd try it out.
I would think a very weak solution of ipecac could curb hunger quite effectively. Full strength and you vomit instantly, diluted to X percent and you just get nauseous but dilute to ? percent and it could theoretically be enough to make you not hungry without feeling ill.
If I were a chemist, I'd try it out.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:58 PM (27m1/)
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I weighed in this morning at exactly 260. My goal is 210.
Restarted Body For Life this morning which I've done off and on the past several years. Never got the results some of the "stories" got, probably because I still eat like I did 30 years ago. But it's a good 45 minute workout with weights, and I add one ouror two other sets to it. So about an hour total.
Restarted Body For Life this morning which I've done off and on the past several years. Never got the results some of the "stories" got, probably because I still eat like I did 30 years ago. But it's a good 45 minute workout with weights, and I add one ouror two other sets to it. So about an hour total.
Posted by: Country Boy at July 25, 2016 05:58 PM (/KbE7)
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I should note that I am running against doctor's orders. But it feels a lot better running.
Posted by: PRNDL at July 25, 2016 05:57 PM (2Ynt1)
I use to do personal training/PT for a Chiropractor. He always said "If it wasn't for runners, I'd be out of business."
Posted by: PRNDL at July 25, 2016 05:57 PM (2Ynt1)
I use to do personal training/PT for a Chiropractor. He always said "If it wasn't for runners, I'd be out of business."
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 05:59 PM (Enq6K)
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I would think a very weak solution of ipecac could curb hunger quite
effectively. Full strength and you vomit instantly, diluted to X
percent and you just get nauseous but dilute to ? percent and it could
theoretically be enough to make you not hungry without feeling ill.
If I were a chemist, I'd try it out.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:58 PM (27m1/)
Bring back the Vomitorium
I would think a very weak solution of ipecac could curb hunger quite
effectively. Full strength and you vomit instantly, diluted to X
percent and you just get nauseous but dilute to ? percent and it could
theoretically be enough to make you not hungry without feeling ill.
If I were a chemist, I'd try it out.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:58 PM (27m1/)
Bring back the Vomitorium
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:59 PM (mpXpK)
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Ace - "The last time I lost weight I was losing 3-4 pounds per week many weeks, but I was doing something else then too: Walking at a hard pace for 40-50 minutes, 4 times a week."
The key. THE KEY. For me, at first that equated to about 460 cals for a one hour, 4MPH walk. 10 months later, after a loss of 50+ lbs, I'm up to 6 miles over hilly terrain, about 650 cals. About 15 lbs to go.
The key. THE KEY. For me, at first that equated to about 460 cals for a one hour, 4MPH walk. 10 months later, after a loss of 50+ lbs, I'm up to 6 miles over hilly terrain, about 650 cals. About 15 lbs to go.
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199 So was he shouting Allah-san Akbar?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (r65B3)
Banzai-akbar?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 05:56 PM (r65B3)
Banzai-akbar?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 05:59 PM (27m1/)
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I drink switchels everyday. Ok, it's a sort of a switchel. I buy the real lemon lemonade/limeade packets. I use one packet of limeade/lemonade, an ounce or two of raw apple cider vinegar, slice of fresh ginger, ice, and water in a 30oz. Yeti tumbler. It's pretty tasty actually and super simple to make daily.
I do a 20oz glass of cold brewed coffee with heavy cream every morning. I may try to add cinnamon. The local grocery chain, HEB, has its house brand of Central Market heavy cream. I swear the cream is thicker and richer than any of the other heavy creams I've tried. I don't even need any type of sweetener anymore.
I do a 20oz glass of cold brewed coffee with heavy cream every morning. I may try to add cinnamon. The local grocery chain, HEB, has its house brand of Central Market heavy cream. I swear the cream is thicker and richer than any of the other heavy creams I've tried. I don't even need any type of sweetener anymore.
Posted by: lindafell TEXIT!! at July 25, 2016 05:59 PM (xVgrA)
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>>> If I have black tea with Splenda in the morning, will that be considered breaking the fast?
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Lsu4e)
Read what's in splenda. You won't want it.
Posted by: Tami
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without disputing Tam's point, you can have splenda. Just a note -- in powder form, the dummies actually add filler which *contains 1 g of carb.*
It's so stupid. They're giving you a no-carb sweetener, and what do they do to add volume? They add in carbs.
You can get liquid splenda which contains no carb fillers.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Lsu4e)
Read what's in splenda. You won't want it.
Posted by: Tami
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without disputing Tam's point, you can have splenda. Just a note -- in powder form, the dummies actually add filler which *contains 1 g of carb.*
It's so stupid. They're giving you a no-carb sweetener, and what do they do to add volume? They add in carbs.
You can get liquid splenda which contains no carb fillers.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
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205 Oh my God, now you're all going on about hush puppies. Goddammit, I have had maybe 6 grams of carbs in the last week, and you bastards are in here describing lemon cake and hush puppies, and linking to recipes and almost indecent photos of them...
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:57 PM (+EU5
You're the one with the "Pastafarian' nic.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:57 PM (+EU5
You're the one with the "Pastafarian' nic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM (3ZoRf)
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I got a synvisc injection (viscous liquid made from rooster combs)...
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OK...who the Hell thought that up?
Hey look...lets grab all these damn roosters and cut off their combs and stick it all in the blender set to frappe! And Hey! Then lets shoot that shit up! I bet its a real buzz!
Actually PRNDL, good for you. I hope it work out. I ran for years and have been very lucky with my knees.
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OK...who the Hell thought that up?
Hey look...lets grab all these damn roosters and cut off their combs and stick it all in the blender set to frappe! And Hey! Then lets shoot that shit up! I bet its a real buzz!
Actually PRNDL, good for you. I hope it work out. I ran for years and have been very lucky with my knees.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM (r65B3)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:59 PM (mpXpK)
One day you'll see me on TV with SlapChop guy so don't laugh.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:59 PM (mpXpK)
One day you'll see me on TV with SlapChop guy so don't laugh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM (27m1/)
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-running pain: any chance you've got inflamed tendons? I had a weird situation with severe pain *only* when I had my legs massaged. Never hurt running or walking, but it was bad enough I saw a doctor, and ended up getting orthotics and physical therapy and lo! The pain is GONE. I was kinda asymptomatic, but the PT said she'd had another client with the same situation--a male ballet dancer. Also, changing shoes as soon as they lose their support. Expensive, but being pain-free is worth it.
-Crohn's: Mine disappeared after I started doing higher protein with weightlifting (which pushed out carbs...) and I didn't even realize what had done it. I now no longer have any symptoms, flare-ups, and no meds for years. Low carb is worth it just for that alone.
Trying the IF. For some reason I thought I would be foggy in the morning skipping breakfast, but other than wanting to chew on the doorframe I function just fine. I don't like coffee, but I may try the chai with heavy cream deal.
Goals: I want to be able to do 20 regular pushups at a quick tempo, and one full, no-cheat pullup. There. I have confessed to the Moron Nation, may Ghu have mercy on my soul.
-Crohn's: Mine disappeared after I started doing higher protein with weightlifting (which pushed out carbs...) and I didn't even realize what had done it. I now no longer have any symptoms, flare-ups, and no meds for years. Low carb is worth it just for that alone.
Trying the IF. For some reason I thought I would be foggy in the morning skipping breakfast, but other than wanting to chew on the doorframe I function just fine. I don't like coffee, but I may try the chai with heavy cream deal.
Goals: I want to be able to do 20 regular pushups at a quick tempo, and one full, no-cheat pullup. There. I have confessed to the Moron Nation, may Ghu have mercy on my soul.
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at July 25, 2016 06:01 PM (Oa+Fj)
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Re Running; most of the medical stuff I have seen regarding exercise says that you should give up running or jogging after you get older than 50. It recommended that you go to walking and swimming. They said jogging was to hard on the knees and ankles for older people.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 06:01 PM (mpXpK)
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@204
I feel your pain. I have a broken knee cap, ran a marathon on it, but now the bone on bone is really getting painful.
Cortisone shots every six months. They will not replace the knee.
Lose weight and try Meloxicam. I take it and nowI don't take Advil. It's prescription http://tinyurl.com/jzkkygl
I feel your pain. I have a broken knee cap, ran a marathon on it, but now the bone on bone is really getting painful.
Cortisone shots every six months. They will not replace the knee.
Lose weight and try Meloxicam. I take it and nowI don't take Advil. It's prescription http://tinyurl.com/jzkkygl
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:01 PM (F1iXz)
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Is mayo on the hair ok?
Posted by: D. W. Schlitz at July 25, 2016 06:01 PM (gNrgn)
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>>>I try to do the fast but after I work out I'm starving. I eat early by six I've eaten but I will cut a bit*h by 10
most people recommend working out fasted and then eating a big meal in the next hour, post-workout. Supposedly that puts almost all nutrients towards muscle repair and growth.
most people recommend working out fasted and then eating a big meal in the next hour, post-workout. Supposedly that puts almost all nutrients towards muscle repair and growth.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (ODxAs)
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If I have black tea with Splenda in the morning, will that be considered breaking the fast?
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That's fine as far as I know since it has zero carbs
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM
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I wasn't going to do the LC/HF stuff, just the intermittent fasting for 16+ hrs. Hoping it's okay. I get awful caffeine withdrawal headaches.
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That's fine as far as I know since it has zero carbs
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 05:51 PM
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I wasn't going to do the LC/HF stuff, just the intermittent fasting for 16+ hrs. Hoping it's okay. I get awful caffeine withdrawal headaches.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (Lsu4e)
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without disputing Tam's point, you can have splenda. Just a note -- in powder form, the dummies actually add filler which *contains 1 g of carb.*
It's so stupid. They're giving you a no-carb sweetener, and what do they do to add volume? They add in carbs.
You can get liquid splenda which contains no carb fillers.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
Pure Splenda is VERY expensive per unit. When some R&D guys were working on a recipe that used splenda on a large scale, he said something like 1 kilo costs about $800. This was several years ago, so it may be cheaper now.
It's so stupid. They're giving you a no-carb sweetener, and what do they do to add volume? They add in carbs.
You can get liquid splenda which contains no carb fillers.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
Pure Splenda is VERY expensive per unit. When some R&D guys were working on a recipe that used splenda on a large scale, he said something like 1 kilo costs about $800. This was several years ago, so it may be cheaper now.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (3ZoRf)
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Clogginstien cannot be a real person. No one is that F***Ing stuped / dumb !!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (2STRf)
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Posted by: D. W. Schlitz at July 25, 2016 06:01 PM (gNrgn)
It puts the Miracle Whip on the mons veneers . . .
- - Buffalo Barney Frank
Posted by: D. W. Schlitz at July 25, 2016 06:01 PM (gNrgn)
It puts the Miracle Whip on the mons veneers . . .
- - Buffalo Barney Frank
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:03 PM (27m1/)
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What about pickled beets for a vinegar source? Good idea or bad? I love pickled beets, even the juice. Would a serving of them work or do they have too much sugar?
Posted by: Lily, formerly from HotAir at July 25, 2016 06:03 PM (lI1qk)
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Oh, poop. I guess I will get on the weight-loss thing again. I'm seriously overweight, and I have been putting off taking action.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at July 25, 2016 06:03 PM (yjhOG)
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Veneris, not veneers. Sheesh.
Veneris, not veneers. Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:04 PM (27m1/)
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230 Oh, poop. I guess I will get on the weight-loss thing again. I'm seriously overweight, and I have been putting off taking action.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at July 25, 2016 06:03 PM (yjhOG)
Why do today what you'll never do tomorrow?
Posted by: Smallish Bees at July 25, 2016 06:03 PM (yjhOG)
Why do today what you'll never do tomorrow?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:04 PM (27m1/)
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You can get liquid splenda which contains no carb fillers.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM
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I just happened to buy some of the liquid stuff because it looked so convenient.
Thanks all for the help.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:00 PM
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I just happened to buy some of the liquid stuff because it looked so convenient.
Thanks all for the help.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 06:04 PM (Lsu4e)
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Veneris, not veneers. Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:04 PM (27m1/)
Pubes not teeth?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:04 PM (27m1/)
Pubes not teeth?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:04 PM (3ZoRf)
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (dciA+)
I've also heard you don't have to do that either, keep the fat burning rolling on. Eat later.
I've also heard you don't have to do that either, keep the fat burning rolling on. Eat later.
Posted by: Hawk - Legion of Doom at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (R5HRU)
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Eat right.
Exercise.
Die anyway. after being hit by truck while running
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (0mRoj)
FIFY
Eat right.
Exercise.
Die anyway. after being hit by truck while running
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (0mRoj)
FIFY
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (F1iXz)
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Splenda contains chlorine, yeah...the kind you put in a pool. Kills everything in your gut, including good bacteria which is crucial.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
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Mons Veneers is a vijazzle product I think.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (27m1/)
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Beets are high sugar. Not low carb at all.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (yNyJy)
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Wouldn't using stevia be much better for you than the chemical that is splenda?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (6Ll1u)
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Off Hawk sock
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 06:07 PM (R5HRU)
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240 Beets are high sugar. Not low carb at all.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (yNyJy)
I'd rather have "ah-beets." Capisce?
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (yNyJy)
I'd rather have "ah-beets." Capisce?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:07 PM (27m1/)
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>>. Wouldn't using stevia be much better for you than the chemical that is splenda?
yeah but many people don't like the taste of stevia
yeah but many people don't like the taste of stevia
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (F1iXz)
Or dropping dead of a heart attack while running, a la Jim Fixx.
Or dropping dead of a heart attack while running, a la Jim Fixx.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:07 PM (0mRoj)
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I wasn't going to do the LC/HF stuff, just the intermittent fasting for 16+ hrs. Hoping it's okay. I get awful caffeine withdrawal headaches.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (Lsu4e)
Oh yeah, I need caffeine too.
The fasting period is supposed to control your insulin, so no carbs or protein allowed.
I wasn't going to do the LC/HF stuff, just the intermittent fasting for 16+ hrs. Hoping it's okay. I get awful caffeine withdrawal headaches.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 06:02 PM (Lsu4e)
Oh yeah, I need caffeine too.
The fasting period is supposed to control your insulin, so no carbs or protein allowed.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:08 PM (7lVbc)
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You've betrayed us all. You've let the whole team down, and most of all, you've let yourself down.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (+EU5
Yeah, I know. Penance will be paid on the treadmill later.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 05:54 PM (+EU5
Yeah, I know. Penance will be paid on the treadmill later.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2016 06:08 PM (GUBah)
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245 Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (F1iXz)
Or dropping dead of a heart attack while running, a la Jim Fixx.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:07 PM (0mRoj)
I'll never get over how Pistol Pete Maravich died.
Or dropping dead of a heart attack while running, a la Jim Fixx.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:07 PM (0mRoj)
I'll never get over how Pistol Pete Maravich died.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:08 PM (27m1/)
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I have not tried the bullet coffee yet. I have been using heavy cream. Sometimes I pour it in straight and a couple times I have whipped it up. I enjoy it a lot. Interested in doing the butter and oil thing but not sure I will bother if there is no real difference health wise.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 06:08 PM (SUtNI)
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229 Pickled Beets are the BOMB! But the ones I get are very sweet, and aren't the root crops higher in carbs? I'd sort of written them off.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 06:08 PM (Sfs6o)
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Wouldn't using stevia be much better for you than the chemical that is splenda?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (6Ll1u)
Yes, if you can find a good source for it. Some companies use the stems of the stevia plant which contribute to the bitter aftertaste that people complain about. If you don't like stevia, try honey or even pure maple syrup.
Wouldn't using stevia be much better for you than the chemical that is splenda?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 06:06 PM (6Ll1u)
Yes, if you can find a good source for it. Some companies use the stems of the stevia plant which contribute to the bitter aftertaste that people complain about. If you don't like stevia, try honey or even pure maple syrup.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (Enq6K)
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I should try to eat more broccoli. I don't really like it unless it has a sauce on it. We grow it too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (eU/yZ)
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I'll never get over how Pistol Pete Maravich died.
I heard he only had one coronary artery. You're supposed to have two or is it three.
I heard he only had one coronary artery. You're supposed to have two or is it three.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (qUNWi)
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I don't use sweeteners at all in drinks.
After an adjustment period sweet drinks just taste weird.
After an adjustment period sweet drinks just taste weird.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (7lVbc)
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I put my Brags unfiltered cider vinegar in apple juice and water. its not hard to stomach that way at all. if you want to avoid the juice i add it to tea instead of lemon.
just recently went on a high protien low carb diet and lost 18 lbs. found if i have ONE cheat day ever 7-10 days i lose weight even better. This has been my birthday week so i have been eating any dumb thing i please and i find i miss my diet foods and the structure of my meal schedule (intermittent fasting isnt hard for me.) so happily i am back on my diet this monday.
hilariously Bebes Boobs Destroy brought be Ahi poke for my birthday present, so i am eating that today as my protein.
Instead of straight coconut oil i take Nutiva coconut mana as a fat/fiber/ small amount of carbs source. its very nice in terms of taste and texture and this helps with maintaining my program, especially when i am hungry and i want something. Very little makes hunger pangs go away.
also i have had great results using Armor V immune support vitamins from Muscle Pharm, and Met-Rx BCAA 2200, which is a branch chain amino acid with a bunch of B vitamins like B6 to make it all work better. i take biotin on top of that to help the BCAA burn fat and the farrier would say grow hoof and hair... had great results so far. i was a 45 yo woman on a 1200 cal a day diet but it wasnt till i went on a strict schedule and started the supplements as well that it was working for me. I was not as tremendously active as i used to be due to a really bad back injury and every time they injected me with cortisone i gain 10 lbs. My objective is to take it off and keep it off, while increasing my physical activity as the back will allow. It was hilarious watching my farrier and i compare back exercises and rehab routines when we used to talk crossfit. *Sigh* getting old as horsemen sucks... i remember when i thought the spinal fracture didnt bother me....
just recently went on a high protien low carb diet and lost 18 lbs. found if i have ONE cheat day ever 7-10 days i lose weight even better. This has been my birthday week so i have been eating any dumb thing i please and i find i miss my diet foods and the structure of my meal schedule (intermittent fasting isnt hard for me.) so happily i am back on my diet this monday.
hilariously Bebes Boobs Destroy brought be Ahi poke for my birthday present, so i am eating that today as my protein.
Instead of straight coconut oil i take Nutiva coconut mana as a fat/fiber/ small amount of carbs source. its very nice in terms of taste and texture and this helps with maintaining my program, especially when i am hungry and i want something. Very little makes hunger pangs go away.
also i have had great results using Armor V immune support vitamins from Muscle Pharm, and Met-Rx BCAA 2200, which is a branch chain amino acid with a bunch of B vitamins like B6 to make it all work better. i take biotin on top of that to help the BCAA burn fat and the farrier would say grow hoof and hair... had great results so far. i was a 45 yo woman on a 1200 cal a day diet but it wasnt till i went on a strict schedule and started the supplements as well that it was working for me. I was not as tremendously active as i used to be due to a really bad back injury and every time they injected me with cortisone i gain 10 lbs. My objective is to take it off and keep it off, while increasing my physical activity as the back will allow. It was hilarious watching my farrier and i compare back exercises and rehab routines when we used to talk crossfit. *Sigh* getting old as horsemen sucks... i remember when i thought the spinal fracture didnt bother me....
Posted by: Gushka can haz kittys what plays fetch! at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (YhV5r)
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Sounds like I'd prefer eating a bullet to drinking this bulletproof coffee stuff.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:10 PM (0mRoj)
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Since going paleo I've lost nine plus pounds (I don't weigh myself more than once a week.)
My clothing is getting looser, which feels good and I've lost a combined 18 inches or so (belly, waist, hips, chest and a couple of other spots.)
My clothing is getting looser, which feels good and I've lost a combined 18 inches or so (belly, waist, hips, chest and a couple of other spots.)
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 25, 2016 06:10 PM (hJrjt)
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252 I should try to eat more broccoli. I don't really like it unless it has a sauce on it. We grow it too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (eU/yZ)
I make a tagine of fish with carrots and cauliflower in a tomato sauce and it's damned good if I say so myself.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (eU/yZ)
I make a tagine of fish with carrots and cauliflower in a tomato sauce and it's damned good if I say so myself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:10 PM (27m1/)
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I don't like spends or stevia. I drink my coffee with cream.
I hate the taste.
I hate the taste.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:11 PM (eU/yZ)
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Saw the comments above about the knife attack in Japan, and decided I wanted more info on it. So I went to bing, entered "knife attack Japan", and waited for the results. The top result was the USA today article headline, "Reports: 19 dead, 20 injured in knife attack outside Tokyo." And the picture that Bing grabbed to accompany the search engine result was a pic of Hillary and Kaine celebrating.
Oops...
(following the link revealed that the image came from a sidebar item about Hillary's selection of Kaine as her VP pick).
Oops...
(following the link revealed that the image came from a sidebar item about Hillary's selection of Kaine as her VP pick).
Posted by: junior at July 25, 2016 06:11 PM (vgXTT)
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I bought a jar of agave recently, seems to work well, thoughts?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 06:11 PM (6Ll1u)
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Why y'all gotta put shit in your coffee? #BlackCoffeeMAtters
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 05:11 PM (UPYhp
Second that emotion! Nothing can go in my coffee.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 05:11 PM (UPYhp
Second that emotion! Nothing can go in my coffee.
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252 I should try to eat more broccoli. I don't really like it unless it has a sauce on it. We grow it too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (eU/yZ)
I quite like roasted broccoli but I'm not fond of raw broccoli--don't hate it but I'm not fond of it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (eU/yZ)
I quite like roasted broccoli but I'm not fond of raw broccoli--don't hate it but I'm not fond of it.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 25, 2016 06:11 PM (hJrjt)
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>>>If you don't like stevia, try honey or even pure maple syrup.
why would anyone replace sugar with sugar in a slightly different form?
sugar is sugar. It doesn't matter if it's from a "natural" source. Cane sugar is "natural" too.
why would anyone replace sugar with sugar in a slightly different form?
sugar is sugar. It doesn't matter if it's from a "natural" source. Cane sugar is "natural" too.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:12 PM (dciA+)
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I'm going to go have a glass of water and a small leaf of raw cabbage for dinner.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 06:12 PM (Sfs6o)
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237 Splenda contains chlorine, yeah...the kind you put in a pool. Kills everything in your gut, including good bacteria which is crucial.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
It does contain chlorine, but it is a kind of chlorinated sucrose molecule that has been modified in such a way that it tastes like sugar, but the body cannot process it.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
It does contain chlorine, but it is a kind of chlorinated sucrose molecule that has been modified in such a way that it tastes like sugar, but the body cannot process it.
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253 Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:09 PM (qUNWi)
258 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 25, 2016 06:10 PM (NeFrd)
The fact that it went undetected his entire life, with doctors prodding and examining him on a regular basis to be sure, and with the alcoholism to boot.
Just as he turned his life around. Last words after a pick up game, "I've never felt this good in my life."
And then he collapsed.
258 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 25, 2016 06:10 PM (NeFrd)
The fact that it went undetected his entire life, with doctors prodding and examining him on a regular basis to be sure, and with the alcoholism to boot.
Just as he turned his life around. Last words after a pick up game, "I've never felt this good in my life."
And then he collapsed.
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>>>259 252 I should try to eat more broccoli. I don't really like it unless it has a sauce on it. We grow it too.
you can throw a parmesan sauce or hollandaise sauce on them to get some fat, too
you can throw a parmesan sauce or hollandaise sauce on them to get some fat, too
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (dciA+)
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266 I'm going to go have a glass of water and a small leaf of raw cabbage for dinner.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 06:12 PM (Sfs6o)
One braised pea. Sliced very, very thin.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 06:12 PM (Sfs6o)
One braised pea. Sliced very, very thin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (27m1/)
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I prefer black coffee--apart from lattes or cappuccinos.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (hJrjt)
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237 Splenda contains chlorine, yeah...the kind you put in a pool. Kills everything in your gut, including good bacteria which is crucial.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
Uh, so does salt.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
Uh, so does salt.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (z/Ubi)
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The trick with stevia is to use very little at first with either a creme or butter or cheese product. Then a bit more, until your taste buds gets used to it. I hated Stevia at first before I found out the trick. Now I buy Stevia in the big bags.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:14 PM (yNyJy)
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You get used to not having sweetener in your coffee.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:14 PM (eU/yZ)
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Uh, so does salt.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (z/Ubi)
Next you'll be telling me salt contains metal!?!
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (z/Ubi)
Next you'll be telling me salt contains metal!?!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:14 PM (3ZoRf)
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why would anyone replace sugar with sugar in a slightly different form?
sugar is sugar. It doesn't matter if it's from a "natural" source. Cane sugar is "natural" too.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:12 PM (dciA+)
Cane sugar is extremely processes. Honey and/or maple syrup are not and have health benefits that processed cane sugar doesn't.
Most if not all Paleo 'dessert' recipes use maple syrup or honey.
sugar is sugar. It doesn't matter if it's from a "natural" source. Cane sugar is "natural" too.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:12 PM (dciA+)
Cane sugar is extremely processes. Honey and/or maple syrup are not and have health benefits that processed cane sugar doesn't.
Most if not all Paleo 'dessert' recipes use maple syrup or honey.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:14 PM (Enq6K)
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Coffee is good. Drink up and enjoy one of God's gifts to us.
Next up is we need a "BulletProof" beer recipe....
Next up is we need a "BulletProof" beer recipe....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 25, 2016 06:14 PM (ej1L0)
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i thank God every day my craving tastes run to salty not sweet. I never have to worry about sweeteners but i had to give my tree ripened nectarines to my dad this year and that was NOT FUN. i got another 15 lbs to go, tho. But i never forgot Ace observing that fruit is just round sugar, and hes NOT WRONG dammit.
Posted by: Gushka can haz kittys what plays fetch! at July 25, 2016 06:15 PM (YhV5r)
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agave sugar is even higher in fructose than high fructose corn syrup.
sugar is just generally something to avoid, or to just have in small quantities, as an indulgence.
sugar is just generally something to avoid, or to just have in small quantities, as an indulgence.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:15 PM (dciA+)
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>> he says his IQ has gone up 20 points on the coffee
Ace, since you started telling off the NeverTrumpers your own IQ seems higher. Coffee is for winners!
Ace, since you started telling off the NeverTrumpers your own IQ seems higher. Coffee is for winners!
Posted by: Donald J. Trump at July 25, 2016 06:15 PM (5xDis)
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:13 PM (dciA+)
That's the only way I'll eat it. I will eat it roasted. I have 50 acres of it on this ranch at my house.
That's the only way I'll eat it. I will eat it roasted. I have 50 acres of it on this ranch at my house.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:15 PM (eU/yZ)
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>>>Cane sugar is extremely processes. Honey and/or maple syrup are not and have health benefits that processed cane sugar doesn't.
Most if not all Paleo 'dessert' recipes use maple syrup or honey.
Posted by: Tami
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ah you're paleo; i don't know the rules of paleo.
but processed or not, sugar is still sugar, and behaves the same way in the body. the only thing you can do to make sugar better is to slow down its absorption with fiber (or fat), but the sugar is still good. you're just slowing down a bad thing.
Most if not all Paleo 'dessert' recipes use maple syrup or honey.
Posted by: Tami
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ah you're paleo; i don't know the rules of paleo.
but processed or not, sugar is still sugar, and behaves the same way in the body. the only thing you can do to make sugar better is to slow down its absorption with fiber (or fat), but the sugar is still good. you're just slowing down a bad thing.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:16 PM (dciA+)
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Splenda contains chlorine, yeah...the kind you put in a pool. Kills
everything in your gut, including good bacteria which is crucial.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
Bull shit.
http://tinyurl.com/zh635x2
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Splenda contains chlorine, yeah...the kind you put in a pool. Kills
everything in your gut, including good bacteria which is crucial.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:05 PM (Enq6K)
Bull shit.
http://tinyurl.com/zh635x2
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:17 PM (F1iXz)
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280 >> he says his IQ has gone up 20 points on the coffee
Ace, since you started telling off the NeverTrumpers your own IQ seems higher. Coffee is for winners!
Posted by: Donald J. Trump at July 25, 2016 06:15 PM (5xDis)
"Idiota estúpido con pelo anaranjado!"
- - Rafael Cruz Coffee Plantation manager
Ace, since you started telling off the NeverTrumpers your own IQ seems higher. Coffee is for winners!
Posted by: Donald J. Trump at July 25, 2016 06:15 PM (5xDis)
"Idiota estúpido con pelo anaranjado!"
- - Rafael Cruz Coffee Plantation manager
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:17 PM (27m1/)
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Ever tried going completely off soda for a long period (+1 month) when you finally break down, a coke tastes like you are drinking a candy bar.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (3ZoRf)
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285 Ever tried going completely off soda for a long period (+1 month) when you finally break down, a coke tastes like you are drinking a candy bar.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (3ZoRf)
Lifelong seltzer drinker. Remember being addicted to Diet Coke, aka Diet Crack.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (3ZoRf)
Lifelong seltzer drinker. Remember being addicted to Diet Coke, aka Diet Crack.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (27m1/)
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I didn't remember the pooping of the pants story. Link please.
Posted by: Zakn at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (7mkUl)
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Tami, don't worry, the form of chlorine in splenda, and in table salt for that matter, is much different than the form of chlorine used to disinfect pools.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (5p18q)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (3ZoRf)
I don't drink cokes, haven't since I was a kid. They're way too sweet.
I don't drink cokes, haven't since I was a kid. They're way too sweet.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (eU/yZ)
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I cut up about a pound of bacon, sautéed until crisp. Added 3-4 cloves of thinly sliced garlic and a head of green cabbage cut into about one inch pieces. Sauté until cooked. Simple, high fat plus veggie. That was my main meal today and I have left overs for several more meals.
Posted by: lindafell TEXIT!! at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (xVgrA)
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Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (5p18q)
What's up Chemjeff? I've missed you.
What's up Chemjeff? I've missed you.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:20 PM (eU/yZ)
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as soon as you go off sugar/sweetener for a while, you start noticing how over-sweetened a lot of things are.
also, berries start tasting plenty sweet. blackberries, for example.
also, berries start tasting plenty sweet. blackberries, for example.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:20 PM (dciA+)
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Y'all need to stop talkin trash about Coke.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:20 PM (qUNWi)
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Hillary (aka El Porko) will never be POTUS. She could F**k up a wet dream !!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 25, 2016 06:21 PM (2STRf)
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Lifelong seltzer drinker. Remember being addicted to Diet Coke, aka Diet Crack.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (27m1/)
I could never drink diet drinks. Found out later when I worked in Food QA that I was super sensitive to sweetness (could identify water with sugar added down to a ridiculously low %. It was a work thing.)
Any artificial sweetener tastes horrid to me, with the exception of splenda, but even then, I can usually tell the difference between it and real sugar.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 25, 2016 06:18 PM (27m1/)
I could never drink diet drinks. Found out later when I worked in Food QA that I was super sensitive to sweetness (could identify water with sugar added down to a ridiculously low %. It was a work thing.)
Any artificial sweetener tastes horrid to me, with the exception of splenda, but even then, I can usually tell the difference between it and real sugar.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:21 PM (3ZoRf)
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Tami, don't worry, the form of chlorine in splenda, and in table salt
for that matter, is much different than the form of chlorine used to
disinfect pools.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (5p18q)
True. But, I do have a salt water pool. http://tinyurl.com/6tto6aq
Hope I don't die.
Tami, don't worry, the form of chlorine in splenda, and in table salt
for that matter, is much different than the form of chlorine used to
disinfect pools.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (5p18q)
True. But, I do have a salt water pool. http://tinyurl.com/6tto6aq
Hope I don't die.
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:20 PM (dciA+)
I have 25 acres of blackberries here now. I have 2 flats in the fridge. I prefer blueberries but those are done for the year.
I have 25 acres of blackberries here now. I have 2 flats in the fridge. I prefer blueberries but those are done for the year.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:22 PM (eU/yZ)
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Hillary (aka El Porko) will never be POTUS. She could F**k up a wet dream !!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 25, 2016 06:21 PM (2STRf)
Tell me about it.
Hillary (aka El Porko) will never be POTUS. She could F**k up a wet dream !!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 25, 2016 06:21 PM (2STRf)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Good ole Bill at July 25, 2016 06:22 PM (F1iXz)
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I like the bulletproof coffee every morning. At 6'2" and 180 pounds, don't need to lose weight but just like the taste. I am a lifelong straight strong black coffee drinker except for adding alcohol various types at times.
Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2016 06:23 PM (zLDYs)
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Y'all need to stop talkin trash about Coke.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:20 PM (qUNWi)
Yeah. Tell it.
Y'all need to stop talkin trash about Coke.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:20 PM (qUNWi)
Yeah. Tell it.
Posted by: Good ole Bill at July 25, 2016 06:23 PM (F1iXz)
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Yeah I only rarely have sodas anymore, and yeah they are really sweet.
I used to be a serious Pepsi addict, maybe 4 a day. Not any more.
I used to be a serious Pepsi addict, maybe 4 a day. Not any more.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (5p18q)
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Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:23 PM (5p18q)
Everything's good with me. I have missed you ;-)
Everything's good with me. I have missed you ;-)
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (eU/yZ)
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (qUNWi)
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And I will try the heavy cream in my coffee in the morning, see how it goes.
I wonder if sour cream would also work?
I wonder if sour cream would also work?
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Posted by: lindafell TEXIT!! at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (xVgrA)
That sounds good.
Did you leave the bacon fat in or drain the pan first?
My family would freak out if I cooked anything in bacon grease. They are still in the "grease is bad" paradigm.
That sounds good.
Did you leave the bacon fat in or drain the pan first?
My family would freak out if I cooked anything in bacon grease. They are still in the "grease is bad" paradigm.
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305 Hi Chemjeff, missed ya.
Coffee doesn't improve your IQ I'm sure
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (bksJQ)
It seems doubtful, although getting appropriate fats in your diet is important for brain function and caffeine can make you more alert.
Coffee doesn't improve your IQ I'm sure
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (bksJQ)
It seems doubtful, although getting appropriate fats in your diet is important for brain function and caffeine can make you more alert.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (0mRoj)
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The bulletproof coffee why does it have to be grass fed butter?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (eU/yZ)
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I wonder if sour cream would also work?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (5p18q)
Try it. Mmmm, curddled milk in coffee. What could go wrong?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:24 PM (5p18q)
Try it. Mmmm, curddled milk in coffee. What could go wrong?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (3ZoRf)
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307 Posted by: lindafell TEXIT!! at July 25, 2016 06:19 PM (xVgrA)
That sounds good.
Did you leave the bacon fat in or drain the pan first?
My family would freak out if I cooked anything in bacon grease. They are still in the "grease is bad" paradigm.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (7lVbc)
Cook bacon. Then fry eggs in the grease. Mmm mmm good.
That sounds good.
Did you leave the bacon fat in or drain the pan first?
My family would freak out if I cooked anything in bacon grease. They are still in the "grease is bad" paradigm.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (7lVbc)
Cook bacon. Then fry eggs in the grease. Mmm mmm good.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (0mRoj)
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I haven't had soda in years but I'm addicted to carbonated water.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (7lVbc)
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There used to be a liquid crack concoction I loved that combined frozen yogurt, chocolate sauce, peanut butter, and two shots of espresso.
One of you geniuses needs to convert this to lo-carb for me.
One of you geniuses needs to convert this to lo-carb for me.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (jR7Wy)
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Before I get into my post, I am currently doing the Bulletproof Coaching program and it is a worthwhile experience. Just to be upfront about where I'm coming from, also what I write is all me and any mistakes are a function of me not understanding well enough what I am talking about.
I do Bulletproof coffee pretty much every morning. I use mold free beans, unsalted butter and Brainobtain( Aspreys mct oil that is 18 times more concentrated in some regards compared to coconut oil.) Supposedly the purity of the coffee make sure one does not crash, which happens to some, from inferior beans and the oil is very easily absorbed and gives a boost energy wise. The butter is more complex and broken down over a longer time period. I am not sure that I am in need of the extra boost or the purity of the beans, but I am doing well IF-wise. One important function of the coffee is that it brings one closer to being in ketosis and burning fat as the primal fuel. The coffee, albeit important, is only one element of the diet he argues for adapting. Asprey claims, while being very well researched, are to a large extent a function of how well it works for him,as in n=1. And,while I might not track his experience a 100 percent, it gives me at least a different set of parameters for finding out what kind food and supplementation I should go for.
I do Bulletproof coffee pretty much every morning. I use mold free beans, unsalted butter and Brainobtain( Aspreys mct oil that is 18 times more concentrated in some regards compared to coconut oil.) Supposedly the purity of the coffee make sure one does not crash, which happens to some, from inferior beans and the oil is very easily absorbed and gives a boost energy wise. The butter is more complex and broken down over a longer time period. I am not sure that I am in need of the extra boost or the purity of the beans, but I am doing well IF-wise. One important function of the coffee is that it brings one closer to being in ketosis and burning fat as the primal fuel. The coffee, albeit important, is only one element of the diet he argues for adapting. Asprey claims, while being very well researched, are to a large extent a function of how well it works for him,as in n=1. And,while I might not track his experience a 100 percent, it gives me at least a different set of parameters for finding out what kind food and supplementation I should go for.
Posted by: Per at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (fcFXq)
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Half and Half is like $1.30 a qt at Costco.
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It seems doubtful, although getting appropriate fats in your diet is important for brain function and caffeine can make you more alert.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (0mRoj)
I wonder if that is why everyone seems like such a moron these days? Not enough fat in the diet.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (0mRoj)
I wonder if that is why everyone seems like such a moron these days? Not enough fat in the diet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (3ZoRf)
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Sodium chloride is what you sprinkle on your food, salt however is a different animal. You seen videos of throwing salt in water?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (6Ll1u)
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I did it! I got up in the morning and did 5 minutes of exercise. Well, I did it on Saturday and Sunday, but this morning I was going on 4 hours sleep so I didn't. I intend to get a decent night's sleep tonight. Of course, I always do. Okama because I'm on my phone and I'm driving, I can't do my Banana Splits thing.
Posted by: iforgot -- now on Android! at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (gQ8F7)
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Caffeine actually does do something to the brain.
So does nicotine.
So does nicotine.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (7lVbc)
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Brak - 475 is a big, big number...congrats!
I was working on reps last Friday (deadlift day for me):
225 x 8
275x 5
325 x 4
350 x 4
275 x 8
I'm getting better.
Lost 3 lbs the past week...it's way easier for me to fast those last 2-3 hours because I'm in the gym, and after the workout, there's also a carry-over effect where I'm simply not hungry.
I was working on reps last Friday (deadlift day for me):
225 x 8
275x 5
325 x 4
350 x 4
275 x 8
I'm getting better.
Lost 3 lbs the past week...it's way easier for me to fast those last 2-3 hours because I'm in the gym, and after the workout, there's also a carry-over effect where I'm simply not hungry.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:28 PM (yxupc)
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One good thing is when I really started drinking coffee, it was black, went shortly with sugar but dropped that. Now it's a spoon of cream in first and through refills nothing else.
Do like cinnamon occasionally
Do like cinnamon occasionally
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:28 PM (bksJQ)
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My family would freak out if I cooked anything in bacon grease. They are still in the "grease is bad" paradigm.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (7lVbc)
My grandmother would look at you an ask, what was she supposed to fry everything in?
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:25 PM (7lVbc)
My grandmother would look at you an ask, what was she supposed to fry everything in?
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320 Caffeine actually does do something to the brain.
So does nicotine.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (7lVbc)
I've read that nicotine can actually speed up synaptic discharges.
So does nicotine.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (7lVbc)
I've read that nicotine can actually speed up synaptic discharges.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:29 PM (0mRoj)
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I haven't had soda in years but I'm addicted to carbonated water.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (7lVbc)
I like it, but it will eat your stomach lining up.
I haven't had soda in years but I'm addicted to carbonated water.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (7lVbc)
I like it, but it will eat your stomach lining up.
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I know it helps keep you alert, that's why I started.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:29 PM (bksJQ)
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Posted by: iforgot -- now on Android! at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (gQ8F7)
Good for you!! Keep at it. Exercise has really helped me feel better. The dreaded back issues.
Good for you!! Keep at it. Exercise has really helped me feel better. The dreaded back issues.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:30 PM (eU/yZ)
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Caffeine actually does do something to the brain.
So does nicotine.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (7lVbc)
So for the glory, "the real thing, coke"
Caffeine actually does do something to the brain.
So does nicotine.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:27 PM (7lVbc)
So for the glory, "the real thing, coke"
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Speaking of pooping pants, I got on the scale the day Ace posted the "let's have a regular health post" thread and I realized my 22 pounds of fat had turned to 30.
So I immediately went on a fast and LCHF (which has helped me before). I feel much better but I'm waiting to go on the scale until tomorrow. Why? I don't want to get discouraged. I'm being strict, I'm going to give it a couple more days for results.
So I immediately went on a fast and LCHF (which has helped me before). I feel much better but I'm waiting to go on the scale until tomorrow. Why? I don't want to get discouraged. I'm being strict, I'm going to give it a couple more days for results.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 06:30 PM (U+nHb)
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Just an FYI, heavy cream has a longer shelf life than milk. Usually when I buy it, the use-by date is about a month out. So, if you don't like the idea of butter in your coffee, the cream will last in the fridge a good while (not as long as butter, of course...)
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 06:30 PM (Lsu4e)
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Rain again, need it.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:31 PM (bksJQ)
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I dropped 60 lbs over about a year on a restricted calorie diet. I counted calories (1200 to 1400 a day), and more importantly recorded them religiously and charted the results in excel, along with my weight. Unfortunately later during a couple of rounds of chemo and radiation "therapy" my oncologist told me, "Don't you dare lose any weight". I took her at her word and gained 30 lbs back. Just to be healthy mind you. I'm big boned though.
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:28 PM (yxupc)
You're awesome.
You're awesome.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:31 PM (eU/yZ)
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Using kept sticks, I am in ketosis which is VERY encouraging.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 06:31 PM (U+nHb)
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279 sugar is just generally something to avoid, or to just have in small quantities, as an indulgence.
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Sugar is my arch nemesis, over the last couple of weeks have managed to eliminate 90% of it and feel better. Haven't lost any scale weight yet, but pants are feeling looser and had a great w.o. today. Lots more energy.
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Sugar is my arch nemesis, over the last couple of weeks have managed to eliminate 90% of it and feel better. Haven't lost any scale weight yet, but pants are feeling looser and had a great w.o. today. Lots more energy.
Posted by: willy at July 25, 2016 06:31 PM (Ffw22)
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Cook bacon. Then fry eggs in the grease. Mmm mmm good.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (0mRoj)
I did that on Saturday. My stomach revolted. The grease damn near made me puke. So this morning I cooked the bacon in the microwave and fried my eggs in coconut oil. Delicious!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:26 PM (0mRoj)
I did that on Saturday. My stomach revolted. The grease damn near made me puke. So this morning I cooked the bacon in the microwave and fried my eggs in coconut oil. Delicious!
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Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:32 PM (bksJQ)
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:32 PM (yxupc)
You mighta had a bit too much bacon grease in there.
Drain some or mop some up with a paper towel and leave enough to cook.
You mighta had a bit too much bacon grease in there.
Drain some or mop some up with a paper towel and leave enough to cook.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 06:33 PM (R5HRU)
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IrishEi,
I'm not an acolyte of Tim Ferris, but he does do his homework/science.
He recommends NO artificial sweeteners while on the 'Slow-Carb' diet, claims they interfere with the natural weight loss process.
You can get used to it without a sweetener, just got to power through.
-says this in shame while drinking a rum/diet coke.
I'm not an acolyte of Tim Ferris, but he does do his homework/science.
He recommends NO artificial sweeteners while on the 'Slow-Carb' diet, claims they interfere with the natural weight loss process.
You can get used to it without a sweetener, just got to power through.
-says this in shame while drinking a rum/diet coke.
Posted by: Phat at July 25, 2016 06:33 PM (/K6Oh)
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I've read that nicotine can actually speed up synaptic discharges.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:29 PM (0mRoj)
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that it might be a good preventative measure for Alzheimers as well.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 06:29 PM (0mRoj)
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that it might be a good preventative measure for Alzheimers as well.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 06:33 PM (3ZoRf)
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Thank you, CaliGirl!!!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:34 PM (yxupc)
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Right Ace. I drink my hot coffee & tea black. But iced coffee I use almond milk & a bit of Stevia. Iced tea I drink plain, with a bit of lemon zest. A bit of stevia on cheese or nuts ( watch it now, I am a girl ;-) can really help with those carb cravings. The brain craves sugar in the morning & salt at night. Trick is to trick the brain. A bit of stevia in the am, a bit of salt in the pm. Salted fried kale chips. It's all the rage!
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:34 PM (yNyJy)
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I do limit to no more than 1 Coke a day, I've known people who drink soft drinks like water.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:35 PM (bksJQ)
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Nood.
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About stretching.....
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
Do it after you exercise. Your muscles are nice and warm and will tolerate the stretch more easily.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
Do it after you exercise. Your muscles are nice and warm and will tolerate the stretch more easily.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2016 06:36 PM (Zu3d9)
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Project Veritas video on Bearing Arms on admission Hillary is coming for u our weapons
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:36 PM (bksJQ)
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Some of the paleo/primal folks say that while you should avoid sugar in general, blackstrap molasses has a lot of nutrients that other food is low on. Phew, it has a strong taste though.
I forget why I stopped doing my daily greenfood (pond scum) shake, but I used to put the cider vinegar and molasses in it so their tastes would be covered up.
I think it made my nails stronger, but I was doing other things for that at the same time, so not sure about that.
I forget why I stopped doing my daily greenfood (pond scum) shake, but I used to put the cider vinegar and molasses in it so their tastes would be covered up.
I think it made my nails stronger, but I was doing other things for that at the same time, so not sure about that.
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But I just got here.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:36 PM (bksJQ)
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I like it, but it will eat your stomach lining up.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:29 PM (F1iXz)
Damn it!
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 06:29 PM (F1iXz)
Damn it!
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 06:36 PM (7lVbc)
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Y'all wanna eat Splenda, I have no problem with it. Knock your socks off. If your soul concern is # calories, then ok, have at it. If it's nutrition, then I'm not sure why you'd want to use it but whatever. You do what you think is right for you. Personally, I'd prefer honey/syrup or stevia to a pack of splenda...but that's me.
And Nip Sip from your link:
Fact: The manufacturer of Splenda claims that chlorine
is naturally present in such foods as lettuce, mushrooms and table salt,
but they never directly state that eating Splenda is the same as eating
these foods. Remember, Splenda is not a natural substance, it is an
artificial chemical sweetener manufactured by adding three chlorine
atoms to a sugar molecule.
And Nip Sip from your link:
Fact: The manufacturer of Splenda claims that chlorine
is naturally present in such foods as lettuce, mushrooms and table salt,
but they never directly state that eating Splenda is the same as eating
these foods. Remember, Splenda is not a natural substance, it is an
artificial chemical sweetener manufactured by adding three chlorine
atoms to a sugar molecule.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 06:37 PM (Enq6K)
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>>>Using kept sticks, I am in ketosis which is VERY encouraging.
my ketosis is crap. It went super-red last week after I ate four egg yolks. I think it's time to start gobbling egg yolks again.
my ketosis is crap. It went super-red last week after I ate four egg yolks. I think it's time to start gobbling egg yolks again.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)
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What's the deal with apple cider vinegar? I"ve been trying to lose 12 pounds since forever. Had to cut back on the running due to knee trouble, pfui.
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Caffeine actually does do something to the brain.
............
It stops mine from aching every morning.
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It stops mine from aching every morning.
Posted by: wth at July 25, 2016 06:38 PM (HgMAr)
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I know I read somewhere that coffee caused an insulin response but I can't find it right now. I did find a summary (with references) showing the research is all over the place.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j4psmvz
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j4psmvz
Posted by: gingeroni at July 25, 2016 06:38 PM (/7w30)
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I don't have knee problems but am bike riding for exercise
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:39 PM (bksJQ)
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I had my first protein shake (whey) of the day at 1:30 (Texas time); first 'real food' meal at 2:00 (bacon and eggs), a light snack at 4:00 (raw broccoli and two small grilled chicken thighs - both dunked in ranch dressing for the fat content); I'll eat half a ribeye steak, more broccoli and some grape tomatoes in about 20 minutes, and then my last protein shake (casein) at 8:00 to complete my eating cycle.
I really like IF.
And I LOVE having y'all to compare notes with...to read what you're doing and what's working. The Horde is a tremendous support group -- thank you all!!!
I really like IF.
And I LOVE having y'all to compare notes with...to read what you're doing and what's working. The Horde is a tremendous support group -- thank you all!!!
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:40 PM (yxupc)
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i want to start doing windsprints but it's been so long since I flat-out RAN i fear:
1. I'll pull a little muscle I didn't even know I had
2. I'll look like a perfect spaz
1. I'll pull a little muscle I didn't even know I had
2. I'll look like a perfect spaz
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)
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Starting this week, I'm cutting out booze and starting intermittent fasting. For 3 of the last 4 years, I've been on the road every week, and/or working 2 weeks on/2 weeks off at a remote site, and put on about 40 lbs. Six months or so ago, I started lifting weights again, first with Stronglifts 5X5, and now with a similar routine that I follow with an app on my phone. I'm 45, and I can bench, squat and deadlift more than I could in high school (and I was no slouch in high school), but I really haven't done a lot about my diet. So here goes.
Posted by: Tucker Jerbs at July 25, 2016 06:41 PM (qRw9w)
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Speaking of saboteurs, the winemaker just brought me a blackberry pie. I'm going to dump it out. It's beautiful though.
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Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:40 PM (yxupc)
Dude you eart the way I wish I could. Minus the bacon and eggs, I can do that.
Dude you eart the way I wish I could. Minus the bacon and eggs, I can do that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 06:41 PM (R5HRU)
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Guaranteed way to lose weight:
Eliminate all drinks that contain calories. Diet soda is OK, but seltzer water is better.
Eliminate all bad snacks and desserts.
Substitute fruit and occasionally nuts for snacks and desserts. To make this easier, find a fruit you like and get the best quality you can. Buying organic may be the key here. Not because organic actually means much, if anything, in terms of nutrition or taste on its own, but because sometimes the organic selection is more selective. For example, the organic strawberries in my area are universally tastier and redder than the regular strawberries. They obviously do not include the partially green/white strawberries when packaging the more expensive organic. It is worth it to me to pay the extra cost because of this.
Choose chicken instead of beef.
Significantly reduce saturated fat. Avoid full fat cheese and sour cream whenever possible. These are the little extras that will hurt your weight loss.
Avoid bread, crackers, etc. Some rice and oats are OK.
If you stick to eating lots of veggies, some chicken, fruit, low/no fat dairy, the occasional bit of grain, and pick the good fats instead of the bad, you WILL lose weight incredibly fast.
I know these are obvious tips, but thought I'd share anyway.
Eliminate all drinks that contain calories. Diet soda is OK, but seltzer water is better.
Eliminate all bad snacks and desserts.
Substitute fruit and occasionally nuts for snacks and desserts. To make this easier, find a fruit you like and get the best quality you can. Buying organic may be the key here. Not because organic actually means much, if anything, in terms of nutrition or taste on its own, but because sometimes the organic selection is more selective. For example, the organic strawberries in my area are universally tastier and redder than the regular strawberries. They obviously do not include the partially green/white strawberries when packaging the more expensive organic. It is worth it to me to pay the extra cost because of this.
Choose chicken instead of beef.
Significantly reduce saturated fat. Avoid full fat cheese and sour cream whenever possible. These are the little extras that will hurt your weight loss.
Avoid bread, crackers, etc. Some rice and oats are OK.
If you stick to eating lots of veggies, some chicken, fruit, low/no fat dairy, the occasional bit of grain, and pick the good fats instead of the bad, you WILL lose weight incredibly fast.
I know these are obvious tips, but thought I'd share anyway.
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 06:42 PM (z6nci)
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)
Isn't there a saying, dance like no one is watching. Run like no one is watching.
Isn't there a saying, dance like no one is watching. Run like no one is watching.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:42 PM (eU/yZ)
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I'm 45, and I can bench, squat and deadlift more
than I could in high school (and I was no slouch in high school), but I
really haven't done a lot about my diet. So here goes.
Posted by: Tucker Jerbs at July 25, 2016 06:41 PM (qRw9w)
Throw some numbers out there. Would love to see them.
than I could in high school (and I was no slouch in high school), but I
really haven't done a lot about my diet. So here goes.
Posted by: Tucker Jerbs at July 25, 2016 06:41 PM (qRw9w)
Throw some numbers out there. Would love to see them.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (yxupc)
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>>>What's the deal with apple cider vinegar?
supposedly reduces insulin. I'm not sure if it's true. Dr. Jason Fung thinks it may be true. I noticed in the beginning of my regime it seemed to help get me into ketosis, but i'm not detecting much of a boost lately.
there are other reasons to have it, though I forget what they are. Fermented foods are supposedly good for you for reasons I can't remember. Anti-oxidants or something? I don't know.
supposedly reduces insulin. I'm not sure if it's true. Dr. Jason Fung thinks it may be true. I noticed in the beginning of my regime it seemed to help get me into ketosis, but i'm not detecting much of a boost lately.
there are other reasons to have it, though I forget what they are. Fermented foods are supposedly good for you for reasons I can't remember. Anti-oxidants or something? I don't know.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (dciA+)
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Stevia is natural & Spenda is not. Plus stevia has been eaten by Peruvians for centuries & the only side effect thus far is that they like bight bold colors & llamas;-)
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (yNyJy)
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>>>All this talk of exercise and dieting and the closest I've heard someone come to mentioning stretching is doing yoga. Maybe I've missed it. Especially as you get up there in age nothing is more important than a good daily stretching routine.
i actually have to re-learn how to stretch. I've lost most of my flexibility. I especially need to just do it every day.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
I don't stretch much, but I recently figured out (through reading a spam email, of all things) that my hip and back pain were due to tight psoas muscles. I did the little stretching program they were selling, and it worked quickly and completely
Several years ago, I also cured my plantar fasciitis by strengthening and stretching my feet.
i actually have to re-learn how to stretch. I've lost most of my flexibility. I especially need to just do it every day.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
I don't stretch much, but I recently figured out (through reading a spam email, of all things) that my hip and back pain were due to tight psoas muscles. I did the little stretching program they were selling, and it worked quickly and completely
Several years ago, I also cured my plantar fasciitis by strengthening and stretching my feet.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (ozZau)
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>>>
Significantly reduce saturated fat. Avoid full fat cheese and sour cream whenever possible. These are the little extras that will hurt your weight loss.
this is 100% completely wrong advice. This is the bad advice the US government has given us for 60 years, and caused hundreds of thousands of premature deaths due to heart attack, diabetes, and cancer.
Significantly reduce saturated fat. Avoid full fat cheese and sour cream whenever possible. These are the little extras that will hurt your weight loss.
this is 100% completely wrong advice. This is the bad advice the US government has given us for 60 years, and caused hundreds of thousands of premature deaths due to heart attack, diabetes, and cancer.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:44 PM (dciA+)
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I grow conventional and organic strawberries. The conventional are always better. Cane fruits like raspberries and blueberries are good organic because the best pesticide for the mite that attacks them happens to be an organic pesticide.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:44 PM (eU/yZ)
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>>>Several years ago, I also cured my plantar fasciitis by strengthening and stretching my feet.
any specific program?
any specific program?
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (dciA+)
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the only side effect thus far is that they like bight bold colors llamas;-)
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (yNyJy)
Well that settles it. Sign me up for Splenda!
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (yNyJy)
Well that settles it. Sign me up for Splenda!
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (5p18q)
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Dude you eart the way I wish I could. Minus the bacon and eggs, I can do that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 06:41 PM (R5HRU)
I haven't eaten bacon in a while, but Household Six bought me some last week, I'm not going to let it go bad and throw it out! I do eat two fried eggs (big delicious Duck eggs) every day though. Every. Day. And my cholesterol level is low.
Dude you eart the way I wish I could. Minus the bacon and eggs, I can do that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 06:41 PM (R5HRU)
I haven't eaten bacon in a while, but Household Six bought me some last week, I'm not going to let it go bad and throw it out! I do eat two fried eggs (big delicious Duck eggs) every day though. Every. Day. And my cholesterol level is low.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (yxupc)
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IrishEi, I think the IF method allows any non-calorie drink. However, you might want to know that anything sweet, even non-calorie sweet, is believed to trigger an insulin response. Your body still thinks it's sugar, or calories. So says my sister-in-law, who is a doctor, for what that's worth.
Posted by: April at July 25, 2016 06:46 PM (e8PP1)
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261 pounds during this morning's weigh-in; goal is 220. I was doing fairly well earlier this year (down to the 240's from a peak in the 280's in early 2015), but I allowed myself to begin slipping a few months ago.
I've found that a half-pot of black coffee for breakfast and primarily meat+salads for lunch and dinner allowed me to lose weight fairly effectively without being incredibly hungry. My arch-nemesis is booze--the consumption of which I absolutely must curtail if I'm ever to reach my goal. I, uh, cleared out my booze supply this past weekend, so I won't be readily tempted.
I've also got an elliptical which I plan to use again once my ankle improves (got an icepack on it now).
I've found that a half-pot of black coffee for breakfast and primarily meat+salads for lunch and dinner allowed me to lose weight fairly effectively without being incredibly hungry. My arch-nemesis is booze--the consumption of which I absolutely must curtail if I'm ever to reach my goal. I, uh, cleared out my booze supply this past weekend, so I won't be readily tempted.
I've also got an elliptical which I plan to use again once my ankle improves (got an icepack on it now).
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 25, 2016 06:47 PM (jV8Mq)
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2. I'll look like a perfect spaz
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)
There is nothing more potentially embarrassing than speaking a newly learned foreign language in public.
If you can do that (and I assume you do), then sprinting should be a piece of cake.
My French sucks because I am too embarrassed to speak it.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)
There is nothing more potentially embarrassing than speaking a newly learned foreign language in public.
If you can do that (and I assume you do), then sprinting should be a piece of cake.
My French sucks because I am too embarrassed to speak it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (Zu3d9)
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Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (ozZau)
My wife stretches my hips for about 3 minutes on Mondays after my squat workout. Our chiropractor showed her how to stretch me out...wonderful.
My wife stretches my hips for about 3 minutes on Mondays after my squat workout. Our chiropractor showed her how to stretch me out...wonderful.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (yxupc)
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>>>However, you might want to know that anything sweet, even non-calorie sweet, is believed to trigger an insulin response. Your body still thinks it's sugar, or calories. So says my sister-in-law, who is a doctor, for what that's worth.
maybe. Fung says this may be so, but the evidence seems inconclusive. the mechanism that would occur here, if it does occur here, is that the mouth detects sweetness and starts the insulin response, *expecting* a rush of sugar that never comes.
but, as I said, I hear there are other studies that say this doesn't happen, or it's a small effect.
i'm reducing artificial sweeteners myself but cutting out all sweet from my diet is a bridge too far for me, at least right now.
maybe. Fung says this may be so, but the evidence seems inconclusive. the mechanism that would occur here, if it does occur here, is that the mouth detects sweetness and starts the insulin response, *expecting* a rush of sugar that never comes.
but, as I said, I hear there are other studies that say this doesn't happen, or it's a small effect.
i'm reducing artificial sweeteners myself but cutting out all sweet from my diet is a bridge too far for me, at least right now.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (dciA+)
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Stace--
I'd be interested in anything that strengthens nails. I'm a classical guitarist, and I used to be able to rip through cardboard with my nails. (It's how I opened most packages, in fact.) But my nails have become brittle in recent years.
I'd be interested in anything that strengthens nails. I'm a classical guitarist, and I used to be able to rip through cardboard with my nails. (It's how I opened most packages, in fact.) But my nails have become brittle in recent years.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (7zeA4)
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Okay I am going to a conference next week, and after that, I will start the intermittent fasting.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (5p18q)
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Significantly reduce saturated fat. Avoid full fat cheese and sour cream whenever possible. These are the little extras that will hurt your weight loss.
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 06:42 PM (z6nci)
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Wait, what? That's kind of opposite of what we have been talking about regarding LCHF, no?
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 06:42 PM (z6nci)
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Wait, what? That's kind of opposite of what we have been talking about regarding LCHF, no?
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 06:50 PM (SUtNI)
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Often in past years I've been if I had to or wanted to run windows sprints it killed me. But haven't done them as a regimen as I should.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 06:50 PM (bksJQ)
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Posted by: April at July 25, 2016 06:46 PM (e8PP1)
Someone told me that too.
Someone told me that too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 06:51 PM (eU/yZ)
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>>>Several years ago, I also cured my plantar fasciitis by strengthening and stretching my feet.
any specific program?
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (dciA+)
No, I put together some ideas I got from reading a primal website, but it wasn't specifically addressing plantar fasciitis.
It involved mainly walking everyday in those stupid monkey feet shoes, which make you push off your forefoot and spread your toes. It's amazing, btw, that the pain in the heel relates so much to what's going on in the forefoot.
Standing on tip toes stretches it out and strengthens it too.
any specific program?
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (dciA+)
No, I put together some ideas I got from reading a primal website, but it wasn't specifically addressing plantar fasciitis.
It involved mainly walking everyday in those stupid monkey feet shoes, which make you push off your forefoot and spread your toes. It's amazing, btw, that the pain in the heel relates so much to what's going on in the forefoot.
Standing on tip toes stretches it out and strengthens it too.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:52 PM (ozZau)
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Wait, what? That's kind of opposite of what we have been talking about regarding LCHF, no?
yeah. it's state of the art advice, circa 1981, when people didn't know anything
Wait, what? That's kind of opposite of what we have been talking about regarding LCHF, no?
yeah. it's state of the art advice, circa 1981, when people didn't know anything
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 06:52 PM (dciA+)
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I would think a very weak solution of ipecac could curb hunger quite effectively.
Huh. Both times I was pregnant, I lost 20 lbs the first trimester because I was nauseous (don't worry, babies were perfectly healthy and home-birthed). I've always wondered how I could get that sick feeling without actually being sick or pregnant. Heh.
Huh. Both times I was pregnant, I lost 20 lbs the first trimester because I was nauseous (don't worry, babies were perfectly healthy and home-birthed). I've always wondered how I could get that sick feeling without actually being sick or pregnant. Heh.
Posted by: April at July 25, 2016 06:52 PM (e8PP1)
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moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one!
Go to Sally's and get the Mane n Tail "hoof conditioner" or some such name. It will strengthen your nails. I tried everything under the sun for years (I remember drinking Knox gelatin when I was 10) and this is the ONLY thing that has worked for me.
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one!
Go to Sally's and get the Mane n Tail "hoof conditioner" or some such name. It will strengthen your nails. I tried everything under the sun for years (I remember drinking Knox gelatin when I was 10) and this is the ONLY thing that has worked for me.
Posted by: Lurkette at July 25, 2016 06:53 PM (PLmfk)
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Haven't eaten since dinner last night. Just broke fast with a piece of brie cheese. Looking forward to something for dinner tonight but not sure what since I forgot to get something out of the freezer earlier. Ooof.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 06:54 PM (SUtNI)
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Stace, interesting you brought up blackstrap molasses. Apparently (per Mom) I had a great-uncle who used to pour blackstrap molasses on everything and he was a real pistol, living to a ripe old age. It used to be considered something of a health food.
Maybe it was just a Southern thing, "soppin' syrup".
Maybe it was just a Southern thing, "soppin' syrup".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 25, 2016 06:54 PM (jR7Wy)
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Stace--
I'd be interested in anything that strengthens nails. I'm a classical guitarist, and I used to be able to rip through cardboard with my nails. (It's how I opened most packages, in fact.) But my nails have become brittle in recent years.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (7zeA4)
It's awful, right? Mine got really bad only recently too. I use a clear strengthening polish, and i have to take calcium for bones anyway, and the molasses MAY have helped. I think Gushka way upthread had some nail discussion.
I'd be interested in anything that strengthens nails. I'm a classical guitarist, and I used to be able to rip through cardboard with my nails. (It's how I opened most packages, in fact.) But my nails have become brittle in recent years.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (7zeA4)
It's awful, right? Mine got really bad only recently too. I use a clear strengthening polish, and i have to take calcium for bones anyway, and the molasses MAY have helped. I think Gushka way upthread had some nail discussion.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:55 PM (ozZau)
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As long as we're talking about cooking in bacon fat: normally I hate Brussels sprouts. In a similar recipe to the the reader above, I cut them really thin (chiffonade) and fry them with some bacon, grease, and garlic just long enough to turn them super-bright green. Absolutely delicious that way.
Posted by: Eric E. at July 25, 2016 06:55 PM (7b4Mw)
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Ace, I thought the issue was that people substituted sugary "low fat" foods for the high saturated fat foods and that is why the world saw such problems.
I have eliminated both categories. I don't eat foods that are high in bad fats or sugar. I've tried several different diets in my life and by far the best results were on the low bad fat and low bad carb combined plan. But that might be too restrictive for many people.
I have eliminated both categories. I don't eat foods that are high in bad fats or sugar. I've tried several different diets in my life and by far the best results were on the low bad fat and low bad carb combined plan. But that might be too restrictive for many people.
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 06:56 PM (z6nci)
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Lurkette--
Thanks! I'll look into that.
I'm also interested in a dietary solution, if there is one. That is, if the brittleness is a deficiency in diet, the state of my nails may be a good warning sign, you know?
Thanks! I'll look into that.
I'm also interested in a dietary solution, if there is one. That is, if the brittleness is a deficiency in diet, the state of my nails may be a good warning sign, you know?
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:58 PM (7zeA4)
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I think the point, Truth, is that "bad fats" has been redefined over the years. Saturated fat being one of the wrongly maligned ones, and the various frankenfats (from vegetables) being wrongly celebrated.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:59 PM (7zeA4)
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Late to the thread, as always when I de-lurk, but I've been keto for 440 days at 60 lb lost. The last 20 lb to my goal weight have been stubborn a-holes, HOWEVER, I have started lifting at home to tone and build muscle so I'm not sweating it. I've also lost another pant size, so I'm in a women's 6 petite (size 8 was my goal). I started out in a 20 W. And I bought a skirt the other day in a size 4 in the regular ladies department. So, really not sweating the scale right now and just keto-ing on.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 07:00 PM (KkVB6)
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Truth:
70% of the fat in a porterhouse steak is either oleic acid, the "good" unsaturated fat found in olive oil, or stearic acid, which metabolizes to oleic acid immediately in the body.
This is true of the fat in eggs and bacon too.
There is no reason to avoid these delicious, satisfying, protein-and-nutrient rich foods.
(Just read that in Taubes last night.)
There has never been any evidence saturated fat is bad for you. It was a scam from the start, and now the medical community is admitting it, though they're loathe to do so: It means they've been selling people poison for 60 years.
70% of the fat in a porterhouse steak is either oleic acid, the "good" unsaturated fat found in olive oil, or stearic acid, which metabolizes to oleic acid immediately in the body.
This is true of the fat in eggs and bacon too.
There is no reason to avoid these delicious, satisfying, protein-and-nutrient rich foods.
(Just read that in Taubes last night.)
There has never been any evidence saturated fat is bad for you. It was a scam from the start, and now the medical community is admitting it, though they're loathe to do so: It means they've been selling people poison for 60 years.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)
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I only drained about half of the bacon fat. After cooking the cabbage it wasn't greasy.
I believe Black Strap Molasse is good for you because it's high in iron.
I believe Black Strap Molasse is good for you because it's high in iron.
Posted by: lindafell TEXIT!! at July 25, 2016 07:01 PM (xVgrA)
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Movie--
I think I read somewhere it might be protein deficiency, but don't quote me on that. As I say, I've had "bendy" nails forever, and one thumbnail split when I was about 22 and it has never healed up.
I think I read somewhere it might be protein deficiency, but don't quote me on that. As I say, I've had "bendy" nails forever, and one thumbnail split when I was about 22 and it has never healed up.
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Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 06:52 PM (ozZau)
And this was after several years of using orthotics just to control the pain. They finally quit working, so I was desperate to try something else. I haven't had a problem since. I wear minimalist Teva sandals while walking, and if my toe area feels tight I put them in toe spreaders for a bit. I know it's weird, but I swear the toes are a big part of this in my case.
And this was after several years of using orthotics just to control the pain. They finally quit working, so I was desperate to try something else. I haven't had a problem since. I wear minimalist Teva sandals while walking, and if my toe area feels tight I put them in toe spreaders for a bit. I know it's weird, but I swear the toes are a big part of this in my case.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 07:01 PM (ozZau)
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I consumed a considerable amount of aspartame in the form of those diet
drink mixes (Crystal Light, etc.) for years. After reading about the
concerns of aspartame causing insulin responses similar to sugar, I
decided to quit it cold turkey. Making only one other change in my diet
(switching to coconut oil for cooking vs. olive oil), I found my
cholesterol dropped by over 50 points.
I don't miss the diet drinks at all and use other artificial sweetners sparingly--generally, stevia. Hopefully, Dr. White isn't lurking around...
drink mixes (Crystal Light, etc.) for years. After reading about the
concerns of aspartame causing insulin responses similar to sugar, I
decided to quit it cold turkey. Making only one other change in my diet
(switching to coconut oil for cooking vs. olive oil), I found my
cholesterol dropped by over 50 points.
I don't miss the diet drinks at all and use other artificial sweetners sparingly--generally, stevia. Hopefully, Dr. White isn't lurking around...
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 25, 2016 07:02 PM (jV8Mq)
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Good and bad? Always good AND bad? I am starting to think so.
My weight dropped a bit, 251, down from 256, and a new low. I haven't seen 251 since... late 1988. My blood sugar was coming down, hit a low of 126 (fasting). I had orange juice on my second to last meal night and... blew the insulin thing. It went to nearly 200 and is just into the 160's after several nights and days. Gah!
I am both low carb high fat and intermittent fasting... as a reminder. I really don't feel hungry much anymore. I watch food prep and cooking videos quite often and have no problems.
And, by the way, I use cream in tea, once or twice a day. But that is a new thing. I don't need it to hold me over, I simply want more fats in my diet, and fear I may not quite be getting that. An area I mean to pay much closer attention regarding. High fat... gotta drill that in... it's so against all the propaganda. Perhaps one guy's prop is another guys truth, at least on some things? Not sure, but maybe. I just... can't do butter in coffee. I can, and have, eaten bugs, snakes, would try bats, dog, horse. I have want to try blood pudding, love sashimi, and would love to get a goat or sheep head to roast. I simply CANNOT do butter in my coffee. Ewww!
My weight dropped a bit, 251, down from 256, and a new low. I haven't seen 251 since... late 1988. My blood sugar was coming down, hit a low of 126 (fasting). I had orange juice on my second to last meal night and... blew the insulin thing. It went to nearly 200 and is just into the 160's after several nights and days. Gah!
I am both low carb high fat and intermittent fasting... as a reminder. I really don't feel hungry much anymore. I watch food prep and cooking videos quite often and have no problems.
And, by the way, I use cream in tea, once or twice a day. But that is a new thing. I don't need it to hold me over, I simply want more fats in my diet, and fear I may not quite be getting that. An area I mean to pay much closer attention regarding. High fat... gotta drill that in... it's so against all the propaganda. Perhaps one guy's prop is another guys truth, at least on some things? Not sure, but maybe. I just... can't do butter in coffee. I can, and have, eaten bugs, snakes, would try bats, dog, horse. I have want to try blood pudding, love sashimi, and would love to get a goat or sheep head to roast. I simply CANNOT do butter in my coffee. Ewww!
Posted by: Doom at July 25, 2016 07:02 PM (4JtYT)
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II don't have any dietary restrictions,
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 07:02 PM (bksJQ)
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>> It means they've been selling people poison for 60 years.
Ignaz Semmelweis, people. GOOGLE IT.
They drove him mad and killed new mothers by the score because he dared suggest doctors' dirty hands were the culprits in post-partum fever.
Ignaz Semmelweis, people. GOOGLE IT.
They drove him mad and killed new mothers by the score because he dared suggest doctors' dirty hands were the culprits in post-partum fever.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 07:03 PM (7zeA4)
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Go to Sally's and get the Mane n Tail "hoof conditioner" or some such name. It will strengthen your nails. I tried everything under the sun for years (I remember drinking Knox gelatin when I was 10) and this is the ONLY thing that has worked for me.
Posted by: Lurkette at July 25, 2016 06:53 PM (PLmfk)
Heh, I'll try that. I remember when they first started Mane n Tail in the Walgreens years ago. Sounds like good stuff.
Go to Sally's and get the Mane n Tail "hoof conditioner" or some such name. It will strengthen your nails. I tried everything under the sun for years (I remember drinking Knox gelatin when I was 10) and this is the ONLY thing that has worked for me.
Posted by: Lurkette at July 25, 2016 06:53 PM (PLmfk)
Heh, I'll try that. I remember when they first started Mane n Tail in the Walgreens years ago. Sounds like good stuff.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 07:04 PM (ozZau)
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people eating traditional diets high in saturated fats (like the massai of africa who eat only beef, beef milk, and beef blood (when they want protein but don't want to kill the cow)) have almost no obesity, diabetes, or cancer.
The latter are called "The diseases of civlization." People eating traditional diets high in saturated fats and low in refined carbohydrates simply don't get them.
Indians don't get them. Eskimos don't get them.
That 'diseases of civilization" infected the west but not traditional peoples was noticed and some idiot named Ancel Keys guessed -- wrongly -- that these were all caused by the wealth of the west making people able to afford more meat in their diets.
That's sort of true -- but what he ignored is that westerners were also eating hundreds of pounds of sugar plus highly refined flour per year that tribal peoples were not.
He ignored that completely. He guessed the problem was the meat and eggs.
He was wrong, and people died because of it, and continue dying now because the government and medical establishment doesn't have the guts to admit how wrong they got it.
The latter are called "The diseases of civlization." People eating traditional diets high in saturated fats and low in refined carbohydrates simply don't get them.
Indians don't get them. Eskimos don't get them.
That 'diseases of civilization" infected the west but not traditional peoples was noticed and some idiot named Ancel Keys guessed -- wrongly -- that these were all caused by the wealth of the west making people able to afford more meat in their diets.
That's sort of true -- but what he ignored is that westerners were also eating hundreds of pounds of sugar plus highly refined flour per year that tribal peoples were not.
He ignored that completely. He guessed the problem was the meat and eggs.
He was wrong, and people died because of it, and continue dying now because the government and medical establishment doesn't have the guts to admit how wrong they got it.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:04 PM (dciA+)
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I might try the nail stuff, I could use it.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 07:05 PM (bksJQ)
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They drove him mad and killed new mothers by the score because he dared suggest doctors' dirty hands were the culprits in post-partum fever.
don't be silly, it's the miasma drifting in through open windows
They drove him mad and killed new mothers by the score because he dared suggest doctors' dirty hands were the culprits in post-partum fever.
don't be silly, it's the miasma drifting in through open windows
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:05 PM (dciA+)
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Movie--
Well, the Knox never did anything for me, as I recall. And I tried every nail hardener polish out there, for years. My nails would split at the slightest provocation and, like I said, this is the ONLY thing ever that helped at all.
Well, the Knox never did anything for me, as I recall. And I tried every nail hardener polish out there, for years. My nails would split at the slightest provocation and, like I said, this is the ONLY thing ever that helped at all.
Posted by: Lurkette at July 25, 2016 07:06 PM (PLmfk)
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"grass-fed unsalted butter"
What, couldn't spring for 100% kale-fed? Though I personally prefer Wagyu butter. Much superior terroir with that.
What, couldn't spring for 100% kale-fed? Though I personally prefer Wagyu butter. Much superior terroir with that.
Posted by: Sjg at July 25, 2016 07:07 PM (gDSJf)
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Ace, concerning the Keto sticks. I am in Ketosis, but even when I was kicking butt and losing weight (years past) I RARELY had the two darkest colors.
Must be very insulin resistant. Am I making up science crap?
Must be very insulin resistant. Am I making up science crap?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 07:07 PM (U+nHb)
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I've been thinking all this corn syrup sweetner added to everything is the most culprit in diabetes
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 07:07 PM (bksJQ)
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>>>Ace, concerning the Keto sticks. I am in Ketosis, but even when I was kicking butt and losing weight (years past) I RARELY had the two darkest colors.
Must be very insulin resistant. Am I making up science crap?
...
i've only been in the deep purple a few times and i've been on ketogenic diets off and on for almost 10 years now.
purple is very hard for me to get. Basically I have to eat no carbs for five days AND exercise hard.
Must be very insulin resistant. Am I making up science crap?
...
i've only been in the deep purple a few times and i've been on ketogenic diets off and on for almost 10 years now.
purple is very hard for me to get. Basically I have to eat no carbs for five days AND exercise hard.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:08 PM (dciA+)
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87 I've tried the unsalted butter in my coffee, and I much prefer heavy cream instead. My heavy cream container says 0 carbs per 2 Tbsp serving, so that should be okay, right? I also add a spoonful of coconut oil. Not a huge fan of the way the oil sits on the coffee but it's okay.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (smnIE)
Yeah, just stirring in coconut oil made me queasy until I learned that you have to use an immersion blender or regular blender to incorporate the oil or butter in the coffee. You won't believe how rich it tastes when it's mixed up.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 05:33 PM (smnIE)
Yeah, just stirring in coconut oil made me queasy until I learned that you have to use an immersion blender or regular blender to incorporate the oil or butter in the coffee. You won't believe how rich it tastes when it's mixed up.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 25, 2016 07:09 PM (OJKE+)
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the best i get is usually just a hot pink.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:09 PM (dciA+)
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Being from the 80s, fear of not being able to obtain cream or sugar due to a nuclear conflagration influenced me to acquire the taste for my coffee black. So when I started bulletproofing a year or so ago, the addition of the butter was an improvement.
Like Ace, I began with coconut oil because it was handy. Last month, I splurged for a jug of MCT oil. No real difference in flavor, but the alleged benefits come from the MCTs used. Coconut oil is mostly Lauric acid. MCT oil, at least the one I bought, is an extraction of the Caprylic and Capric acids. I think this is the basis of Aspry's claim.
Like Ace, I began with coconut oil because it was handy. Last month, I splurged for a jug of MCT oil. No real difference in flavor, but the alleged benefits come from the MCTs used. Coconut oil is mostly Lauric acid. MCT oil, at least the one I bought, is an extraction of the Caprylic and Capric acids. I think this is the basis of Aspry's claim.
Posted by: Desmondo at July 25, 2016 07:09 PM (zsQy2)
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Lurkette--
Oh, gelatin for nails? Yeah, that's nonsense. The idea is that if it's made from horse's hooves, it'll go straight to your fingertips or something. Not impressive logic.
But I know I'm short on magnesium, and possibly calcium. So maybe that's it. Trying to eat more bone broth. (Which you can do without disrupting a fast, though I generally don't eat or drink at all during a fast.)
Oh, gelatin for nails? Yeah, that's nonsense. The idea is that if it's made from horse's hooves, it'll go straight to your fingertips or something. Not impressive logic.
But I know I'm short on magnesium, and possibly calcium. So maybe that's it. Trying to eat more bone broth. (Which you can do without disrupting a fast, though I generally don't eat or drink at all during a fast.)
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 07:10 PM (7zeA4)
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Mandy (not Patinkin)...wow! Good on you!
Posted by: April at July 25, 2016 07:14 PM (e8PP1)
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An easy at home remedy for plantar fasciitis is to roll the arch of your foot on a tennis ball. Another is to freeze a bottle of water and roll that under your foot (it's not comfortable!)
There's also a stretch you can do....it's similar to a calf stretch. Get in a calf stretch position but bend the knee on the side you're stretching. You should feel the stretch move into your Achilles heal.
There's also a stretch you can do....it's similar to a calf stretch. Get in a calf stretch position but bend the knee on the side you're stretching. You should feel the stretch move into your Achilles heal.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:15 PM (Enq6K)
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And my oncologist had previously told me that if it did not go away after 6 months it would never go away and there was nothing you could do about it. So I declined. It has been years now and it has not gone away.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (mpXpK)
Same for me, 8+ years now, and I'd say it's actually gotten a little worse. The more intense the exercise, the worse the pain is
I'm 20-25 lbs over my ideal/healthy weight. I'm encouraged to read about everyone's successes. I'm going to try this approach.
Thanks Ace for starting this thread!
Oh, and my grandma always talked about how she drank vinegar with a little sugar mixed in a glass of water as a "refreshing summer drink" later in her life she had issues with acid reflux and she swore by a tablespoon of vinegar in a cup of water daily to help with that ailement.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (mpXpK)
Same for me, 8+ years now, and I'd say it's actually gotten a little worse. The more intense the exercise, the worse the pain is
I'm 20-25 lbs over my ideal/healthy weight. I'm encouraged to read about everyone's successes. I'm going to try this approach.
Thanks Ace for starting this thread!
Oh, and my grandma always talked about how she drank vinegar with a little sugar mixed in a glass of water as a "refreshing summer drink" later in her life she had issues with acid reflux and she swore by a tablespoon of vinegar in a cup of water daily to help with that ailement.
Posted by: longtime lurker's mom on her phone at July 25, 2016 07:15 PM (zeiYk)
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This is weird how many folks here have been jumping on the 'get healthier' bandwagon over the past couple of weeks.
I dunno about the IF thing. Sounds like a situation that could possibly get your results reasonably quickly, then you blow up like a balloon as soon as you eat normally again (normal: healthyish, not normal: 100 boxes of Twinkies & a case of beer per meal). Yeah, sure. Starve yourself and you'll lose weight. Works for homeless and African kids. Hey, if it works for you for some reason, good for you.
I'm one of those skinny guys who ate everything, constantly and never gained a pound. When I was younger, I tried every supplement, ate even more, drank a gallon of milk per day, and hit the gym for an hour every day. Nothing.
Then I started closing in on 40 and my pants stopped fitting. One day I looked down and realized I couldn't see my shoes and realized I was getting worn out doing menial tasks.
So I did the P90X thing. First go round was pretty religious on the workouts but less than perfect on the food plan. I was in q world of pain for the first 2-3 weeks then the pain stopped. I got stronger, got rid of the gut mostly, and burned out about 2 1/2 months in. Endurance kicked my ass and seemed to get worse instead of better.
Took a break for a month, then tried P90X 3 (30 min instead of and hour each workout). That seemed to go better. I got a LOT stronger. By month 3 (month 6 since I started doing something other than smoking and eating Twinkies), I was probably close to the best shape of my life... and least in terms of health and strength. Endurance was still not great and I didn't look much different other than not fat. Then I fell off the wagon for 2 years, so I'm starting over again.
No P90X this time. No calorie counting. No diets (other than somewhat avoiding processed foods and tons of carbs... but I honestly am not watching what I eat).
Here's the thing I learned: eat regularly, don't eat absolute crap, and if you really want to, eat MORE- more often, smaller portions. Exercise 3 days a week (weights, walking, about and 40- 1.5 hours total) and through about 15-30 minutes of yoga per day (really helps with the pain getting back going again plus it seems to ramp up my strength and general fitness faster and more completely than anything else).
Results? Down about 5 pounds in 2 weeks. Body fat down about about .5%. DOMS pain doesn't really happen after week 1.5 and goes away faster. Strength coming up very fast.
Teach your body to eat and process food, and things seem to work out well and it took me 2 years of total neglect and doing everything wrong to start getting fat and feeling like crap again. The really good news is that things seem to be turning around faster this time with much less worrying about fads, programs, and other silly crap, "bro science" that no one really seems to understand.
I dunno about the IF thing. Sounds like a situation that could possibly get your results reasonably quickly, then you blow up like a balloon as soon as you eat normally again (normal: healthyish, not normal: 100 boxes of Twinkies & a case of beer per meal). Yeah, sure. Starve yourself and you'll lose weight. Works for homeless and African kids. Hey, if it works for you for some reason, good for you.
I'm one of those skinny guys who ate everything, constantly and never gained a pound. When I was younger, I tried every supplement, ate even more, drank a gallon of milk per day, and hit the gym for an hour every day. Nothing.
Then I started closing in on 40 and my pants stopped fitting. One day I looked down and realized I couldn't see my shoes and realized I was getting worn out doing menial tasks.
So I did the P90X thing. First go round was pretty religious on the workouts but less than perfect on the food plan. I was in q world of pain for the first 2-3 weeks then the pain stopped. I got stronger, got rid of the gut mostly, and burned out about 2 1/2 months in. Endurance kicked my ass and seemed to get worse instead of better.
Took a break for a month, then tried P90X 3 (30 min instead of and hour each workout). That seemed to go better. I got a LOT stronger. By month 3 (month 6 since I started doing something other than smoking and eating Twinkies), I was probably close to the best shape of my life... and least in terms of health and strength. Endurance was still not great and I didn't look much different other than not fat. Then I fell off the wagon for 2 years, so I'm starting over again.
No P90X this time. No calorie counting. No diets (other than somewhat avoiding processed foods and tons of carbs... but I honestly am not watching what I eat).
Here's the thing I learned: eat regularly, don't eat absolute crap, and if you really want to, eat MORE- more often, smaller portions. Exercise 3 days a week (weights, walking, about and 40- 1.5 hours total) and through about 15-30 minutes of yoga per day (really helps with the pain getting back going again plus it seems to ramp up my strength and general fitness faster and more completely than anything else).
Results? Down about 5 pounds in 2 weeks. Body fat down about about .5%. DOMS pain doesn't really happen after week 1.5 and goes away faster. Strength coming up very fast.
Teach your body to eat and process food, and things seem to work out well and it took me 2 years of total neglect and doing everything wrong to start getting fat and feeling like crap again. The really good news is that things seem to be turning around faster this time with much less worrying about fads, programs, and other silly crap, "bro science" that no one really seems to understand.
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Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:15 PM (Enq6K)
The ice does not sound fun. I do the tennis ball thing now and it hurts.
The ice does not sound fun. I do the tennis ball thing now and it hurts.
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Any advice/sources for LGHT meals? I can't seem to find many good recipes online. My husband isn't on board, and I really don't want to make two separate meals for dinner. So I need to make semi-normal things that I can add a starch to for him.
Do you do those fat bomb things? I've just been eating tablespoons of cream cheese, not sure if that's on program.
I'm excited to start IF, mostly because I hate eggs and LC breakfasts that don't involve eggs are hard to come by.
On apple cider vinegar...I LOVE LOVE LOVE vinegar, and just take it as a shot. But I also used to drink pickle juice out of the jar (and as a chaser to a shot of whiskey) so I guess I'm weird.
Do you do those fat bomb things? I've just been eating tablespoons of cream cheese, not sure if that's on program.
I'm excited to start IF, mostly because I hate eggs and LC breakfasts that don't involve eggs are hard to come by.
On apple cider vinegar...I LOVE LOVE LOVE vinegar, and just take it as a shot. But I also used to drink pickle juice out of the jar (and as a chaser to a shot of whiskey) so I guess I'm weird.
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 07:20 PM (3htdE)
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Mandy P. Not Patankin...
Thank you. That is very encouraging to me. I have 60 pounds to lose and I am only 5'2" so it is very discouraging. I have lost 3 so far. Hey, you gotta start somewhere, right?
Congratulations to you!!!!
Thank you. That is very encouraging to me. I have 60 pounds to lose and I am only 5'2" so it is very discouraging. I have lost 3 so far. Hey, you gotta start somewhere, right?
Congratulations to you!!!!
Posted by: Lily, formerly from HotAir at July 25, 2016 07:21 PM (vfC/C)
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The ice does not sound fun. I do the tennis ball thing now and it hurts.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:18 PM (eU/yZ)
It's so not! I've done it but bitched all the way through it. It does help with inflammation though. But I usually just do the tennis ball because I'll do it longer than with the frozen bottle of water.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:18 PM (eU/yZ)
It's so not! I've done it but bitched all the way through it. It does help with inflammation though. But I usually just do the tennis ball because I'll do it longer than with the frozen bottle of water.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:21 PM (Enq6K)
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moviegique: I did Maffetone as well. Not sure how good it is for weight loss, but it worked great for improving my times in endurance sports. Ran a sub 3:25 marathon as a 49 year old (qualifying for Boston) and a sub 6 hour half ironman (which is only so so). Takes a lot of discipline to run that slow, but it works.
Posted by: chris not rock at July 25, 2016 07:21 PM (WO0/g)
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Yeah, just stirring in coconut oil made me queasy until I learned that you have to use an immersion blender or regular blender to incorporate the oil or butter in the coffee. You won't believe how rich it tastes when it's mixed up.
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This. Although if you have a milk frother or a good blender bottle you can do the same thing. I get tired of hauling out the immersion blender, so I invested in a blender bottle with a stainless steel ball inside it. I put all my fat and stevia in the cup, brew the coffee over it, pop the lid on and shake it for maybe 20 seconds, and it's done. Comes out frothy and creamy just like with the blender.
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This. Although if you have a milk frother or a good blender bottle you can do the same thing. I get tired of hauling out the immersion blender, so I invested in a blender bottle with a stainless steel ball inside it. I put all my fat and stevia in the cup, brew the coffee over it, pop the lid on and shake it for maybe 20 seconds, and it's done. Comes out frothy and creamy just like with the blender.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 07:22 PM (KkVB6)
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And my oncologist had previously told me that if it did not go away after 6 months it would never go away and there was nothing you could do about it. So I declined. It has been years now and it has not gone away.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (mpXpK)
Same for me, 8+ years now, and I'd say it's actually gotten a little worse. The more intense the exercise, the worse the pain is
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My oncologist makes all her patients wear freezing cold mitts and booties during infusion, to keep the stuff out of your hands and feet. They're painful to wear until your hands numb up, but I have just a trace of numbness that I don't even notice except when I think about it. That might be helpful for others who are about to go into chemo to ask the doctor about.
Now apparently there's a cold hat you can wear to prevent hair loss, but that hasn't made it to my clinic yet.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 05:42 PM (mpXpK)
Same for me, 8+ years now, and I'd say it's actually gotten a little worse. The more intense the exercise, the worse the pain is
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My oncologist makes all her patients wear freezing cold mitts and booties during infusion, to keep the stuff out of your hands and feet. They're painful to wear until your hands numb up, but I have just a trace of numbness that I don't even notice except when I think about it. That might be helpful for others who are about to go into chemo to ask the doctor about.
Now apparently there's a cold hat you can wear to prevent hair loss, but that hasn't made it to my clinic yet.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 07:23 PM (ozZau)
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i want to start doing windsprints but it's been so long since I flat-out RAN i fear:
1. I'll pull a little muscle I didn't even know I had
2. I'll look like a perfect spaz
Do you run at all?
1. I'll pull a little muscle I didn't even know I had
2. I'll look like a perfect spaz
Do you run at all?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 07:24 PM (rwI+c)
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Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:21 PM (Enq6K)
I do also use a lacrosse ball. I do it on my calves and the muscles in my back. It hurts.
I do also use a lacrosse ball. I do it on my calves and the muscles in my back. It hurts.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:24 PM (eU/yZ)
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purple is very hard for me to get. Basically I have to eat no carbs for five days AND exercise hard.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:08 PM (dciA+)
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Okay, glad you said that, I thought it was just me. Most of the time (while doing Atkins) I'm the palest pink (shut your whore mouths) even when I'm pretty strict.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:08 PM (dciA+)
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Okay, glad you said that, I thought it was just me. Most of the time (while doing Atkins) I'm the palest pink (shut your whore mouths) even when I'm pretty strict.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 07:24 PM (U+nHb)
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373 the only side effect thus far is that they like bight bold colors llamas;-)
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (yNyJy)
Well that settles it. Sign me up for Splenda!
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (5p18q)
Ah, so what you are really saying is that you are anti-llamanite;-)
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 06:43 PM (yNyJy)
Well that settles it. Sign me up for Splenda!
Posted by: chemjeff at July 25, 2016 06:45 PM (5p18q)
Ah, so what you are really saying is that you are anti-llamanite;-)
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 07:26 PM (yNyJy)
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I do also use a lacrosse ball. I do it on my calves and the muscles in my back. It hurts.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:24 PM (eU/yZ)
I'll bet. Do you have a foam roller?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:24 PM (eU/yZ)
I'll bet. Do you have a foam roller?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:26 PM (Enq6K)
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I dunno about the IF thing. Sounds like a situation that could possibly get your results reasonably quickly, then you blow up like a balloon as soon as you eat normally again (normal: healthyish, not normal: 100 boxes of Twinkies & a case of beer per meal). Yeah, sure. Starve yourself and you'll lose weight. Works for homeless and African kids. Hey, if it works for you for some reason, good for you.
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It works best in conjunction with low carb, high fat. Honestly, when you keto (LCHF) your hunger level decreases naturally. Fat just keeps you satiated longer, so a lot of days I get up in the morning and I'm not hungry so I don't eat until 1 or 2 in the afternoon. And voila, I've just IF'd for 19 or 20 hours without any real effort at all. I don't know if I would ever have made it when I was a carb eater. I was hungry all the damn time when I ate higher carbs and if more than 3-4 hours went by without a meal I was sick to my stomach and ready to pass out. So I really believe it's the difference in what I'm eating that allows me to stay full longer and stretch the time between my last and first meal to those lengths.
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It works best in conjunction with low carb, high fat. Honestly, when you keto (LCHF) your hunger level decreases naturally. Fat just keeps you satiated longer, so a lot of days I get up in the morning and I'm not hungry so I don't eat until 1 or 2 in the afternoon. And voila, I've just IF'd for 19 or 20 hours without any real effort at all. I don't know if I would ever have made it when I was a carb eater. I was hungry all the damn time when I ate higher carbs and if more than 3-4 hours went by without a meal I was sick to my stomach and ready to pass out. So I really believe it's the difference in what I'm eating that allows me to stay full longer and stretch the time between my last and first meal to those lengths.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 07:27 PM (KkVB6)
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Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:26 PM (Enq6K)
Yes, I have the one with the squares on it. It's hollow. Yes, its painful.
Yes, I have the one with the squares on it. It's hollow. Yes, its painful.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:27 PM (eU/yZ)
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chris not rock--
Good to hear. It is VERY hard to run that slow.
But I think the truth, for most of us, is going to be somewhere in between Rippetoe's "strength uber allis" and Maffetone's "endurance or...well, nothing, really".
Good to hear. It is VERY hard to run that slow.
But I think the truth, for most of us, is going to be somewhere in between Rippetoe's "strength uber allis" and Maffetone's "endurance or...well, nothing, really".
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 07:28 PM (7zeA4)
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Ace--"i want to start doing windsprints "
Windsprints are great but I like more variation.
My workouts tend to vary: some weeks I do all weights, others I'll do all cardio, and still others I'll do a mix between cardio and weights.
The one thing they all have in common is that I use an "Insanity" type of method. "Insanity" is a program popularized on TV by a company called Beach Body and the principle is simple: work hard for 3 minutes then rest for about 30 secs.
For instance, on days that I lift, my workout looks like this: Bench press heaviest weight 6-9 reps, then quickly transition to Leg press 6-9 reps and repeat for a total of 4 sets. The transition is continuous and there are no breaks until you move to the next pair of exercises
By the end of each pairing I am totally and utterly winded and by the end of the workout I am physically fatigued (but pumped) and drenched.
Usually, I can do a full body workout in around 45 minutes depending on equipment availability. This is key because I have other things to do then spend my time in a gym.
Whatever you do Ace, you should incorporate high intensity as much as possible, windsprints is a great first step.
Windsprints are great but I like more variation.
My workouts tend to vary: some weeks I do all weights, others I'll do all cardio, and still others I'll do a mix between cardio and weights.
The one thing they all have in common is that I use an "Insanity" type of method. "Insanity" is a program popularized on TV by a company called Beach Body and the principle is simple: work hard for 3 minutes then rest for about 30 secs.
For instance, on days that I lift, my workout looks like this: Bench press heaviest weight 6-9 reps, then quickly transition to Leg press 6-9 reps and repeat for a total of 4 sets. The transition is continuous and there are no breaks until you move to the next pair of exercises
By the end of each pairing I am totally and utterly winded and by the end of the workout I am physically fatigued (but pumped) and drenched.
Usually, I can do a full body workout in around 45 minutes depending on equipment availability. This is key because I have other things to do then spend my time in a gym.
Whatever you do Ace, you should incorporate high intensity as much as possible, windsprints is a great first step.
Posted by: Dansgirls at July 25, 2016 07:28 PM (xBbs+)
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Congrats to all of the Horde working on fitness goals! And to our man/Ewok, Ace, for kicking this medical thread off!!
I lost 35+ pounds in four months and it was almost painless: just ate whatever I usually ate, but only half. Of course, it was almost painless because I had a growth that was pressing on the stomach, and so I was physically unable to eat as much as usual. Growth is gone now and I continue to try to eat about half of the normal. Have a serious sweet tooth so still indulge in the occasional sweet. Sodas are not my thing so I drink coffee in the morning, then tea and water for the rest of the day. Tried South Beach a few years ago but it was not a long-term solution for me.
I lost 35+ pounds in four months and it was almost painless: just ate whatever I usually ate, but only half. Of course, it was almost painless because I had a growth that was pressing on the stomach, and so I was physically unable to eat as much as usual. Growth is gone now and I continue to try to eat about half of the normal. Have a serious sweet tooth so still indulge in the occasional sweet. Sodas are not my thing so I drink coffee in the morning, then tea and water for the rest of the day. Tried South Beach a few years ago but it was not a long-term solution for me.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at July 25, 2016 07:29 PM (tbKrr)
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Thanks for the tips about blending the milk and coconut oil and butter/cream. I did try that at first, but boy did I get tired really fast of washing the blender parts every day. Maybe I'll try it again.
I have to admit I had to figure out what ace meant by "beef milk" - I've never heard it called that, just cow's milk. And drinking "beef blood" when they didn't want to kill the cow? Oof - I don't even want to know what that involves.
I'll stick to my greasy coffee!
I have to admit I had to figure out what ace meant by "beef milk" - I've never heard it called that, just cow's milk. And drinking "beef blood" when they didn't want to kill the cow? Oof - I don't even want to know what that involves.
I'll stick to my greasy coffee!
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:30 PM (805dc)
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Ace, I really appreciate this thread. While I'm looking for the magic bullet or several of them I get distracted by the next deal, cinnamon, no fluoride water, vinegar, etc..
These threads help me discern what has ACTUALLY helped others. Also, viable research others have found. I'll try them all, why not?
This place is generally skeptical so when someone here and you of course says something works, I'm more likely to hit it.
These threads help me discern what has ACTUALLY helped others. Also, viable research others have found. I'll try them all, why not?
This place is generally skeptical so when someone here and you of course says something works, I'm more likely to hit it.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 07:30 PM (U+nHb)
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A for the urine strips, they only really measure ketosis well at the beginning. After a while your body adapts to using the ketones efficiently and so you stop spilling so many in your urine. At that point, they're inaccurate and tend to only turn very dark when you're dehydrated. The more accurate way to check ketosis is with a blood ketone meter, which I don't bit her with personally due to $$$. If you eat under 20-50-ish carbs a day you're going to be in ketosis and I eat around 20, so I just don't sweat it.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 07:30 PM (KkVB6)
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I use olive oil for almost everything except baking (which I never do for myself anymore; just give away treats as gifts).
The jar of coconut oil I have is quite old. I tried using it in baking and wasn't pleased with the results, but that was probably my fault as I think it is the unrefined variety.
The jar of coconut oil I have is quite old. I tried using it in baking and wasn't pleased with the results, but that was probably my fault as I think it is the unrefined variety.
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 07:31 PM (R5PUB)
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The primal people swear by all out sprints?
Anyone have good results with this?
I haven't done it in years and wonder what will happen to my body when I do.
Should I save that for after the 30 pound weight loss?
Anyone have good results with this?
I haven't done it in years and wonder what will happen to my body when I do.
Should I save that for after the 30 pound weight loss?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 07:32 PM (U+nHb)
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Btw I got this Caesar's salad dressing from the grocery that is 17g of fat per 2 Tbsp.
Delicious.
Delicious.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 07:33 PM (7lVbc)
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>>> Oof - I don't even want to know what that involves.
just what you'd guess - they knick a neck vein of the cow and fill a glass with it.
I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
just what you'd guess - they knick a neck vein of the cow and fill a glass with it.
I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 07:32 PM (U+nHb)
Really good for your heat plus it yields more results in a quicker fashion than plodding along in a mile or two mile run.
Really good for your heat plus it yields more results in a quicker fashion than plodding along in a mile or two mile run.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (R5HRU)
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For you peeps suffering from plantar fasciitis:
get yourself a pair of Vionic Tide flip flops. It sounds crazy, but wearing those all day as much as possible for months on end cured mine. Now I only wear those (I have three pair) and two pairs of Dansko sandals in the summer, and equally supportive (yet hopefully not too old-ladyish) shoes in the winter.
Keep the Vionics by your bed so you put them on first thing. I tried other things (including the lacrosse ball, which did help, but didn't cure it) and this worked great.
get yourself a pair of Vionic Tide flip flops. It sounds crazy, but wearing those all day as much as possible for months on end cured mine. Now I only wear those (I have three pair) and two pairs of Dansko sandals in the summer, and equally supportive (yet hopefully not too old-ladyish) shoes in the winter.
Keep the Vionics by your bed so you put them on first thing. I tried other things (including the lacrosse ball, which did help, but didn't cure it) and this worked great.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (805dc)
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Lastly, this post was up at 5:00pm, will that be a regular time?
I spent an hour going through the last health thread and that's not counting going to links.
I spent an hour going through the last health thread and that's not counting going to links.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (U+nHb)
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>>>Okay, glad you said that, I thought it was just me. Most of the time (while doing Atkins) I'm the palest pink (shut your whore mouths) even when I'm pretty strict.
it's frustrating as fuck. that's why I did the fat fast, but that didn't help. I'm boiling eggs now to see if yolks put me into good ketosis again.
it's frustrating as fuck. that's why I did the fat fast, but that didn't help. I'm boiling eggs now to see if yolks put me into good ketosis again.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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My oncologist makes all her patients wear freezing cold mitts and booties during infusion, to keep the stuff out of your hands and feet. They're painful to wear until your hands numb up, but I have just a trace of numbness that I don't even notice except when I think about it. That might be helpful for others who are about to go into chemo to ask the doctor about. ...
That's interesting! I'm always happy to hear others have gone through chemo with better results now, & how many things have changed for the better since I went through it.
That's interesting! I'm always happy to hear others have gone through chemo with better results now, & how many things have changed for the better since I went through it.
Posted by: longtime lurker's mom on her phone at July 25, 2016 07:35 PM (zeiYk)
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Whatever you do Ace, you should incorporate high intensity as much as possible, windsprints is a great first step.
Posted by: Dansgirls at July 25, 2016 07:28 PM (xBbs+)
The paleo guy I follow says that long distance running is bad for you, but you should do some kind of sprints for just a few minutes every 7-10 days. They can be on a bike, rower, running or whatever you want to get a high intensity effect.
I've been a useless blob lately, but when I'm following the program I do Tabata sprints once a week, walking most days, and weights (Rippetoe) 2-3 times a week.
Posted by: Dansgirls at July 25, 2016 07:28 PM (xBbs+)
The paleo guy I follow says that long distance running is bad for you, but you should do some kind of sprints for just a few minutes every 7-10 days. They can be on a bike, rower, running or whatever you want to get a high intensity effect.
I've been a useless blob lately, but when I'm following the program I do Tabata sprints once a week, walking most days, and weights (Rippetoe) 2-3 times a week.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 07:35 PM (ozZau)
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Regarding patellar tendonitis, though I've had that, my arthritis is actual arthritis by xray and mri.
Nip Sip - thank you for the meloxicam suggestion. I can confirm that it did make a decent improvement, but it ripped my stomach apart. I had to go off it after 2 weeks and had pretty bad abdominal pain for 2-3 weeks after. Prilosec for a month seems to have fixed it. I do naproxen / alleve now which I tolerate better for some reason, though it is same class of NSAID.
I discovered how well the Meloxicam was performing when I went off it.
So, its cortisone in both knees and the synvisc. Getting synvisc in the other knee in about 2 weeks. Plus NSAID, ice, stretching.
Hoping it will let me return to running full time at least for a couple more years.
Nip Sip - thank you for the meloxicam suggestion. I can confirm that it did make a decent improvement, but it ripped my stomach apart. I had to go off it after 2 weeks and had pretty bad abdominal pain for 2-3 weeks after. Prilosec for a month seems to have fixed it. I do naproxen / alleve now which I tolerate better for some reason, though it is same class of NSAID.
I discovered how well the Meloxicam was performing when I went off it.
So, its cortisone in both knees and the synvisc. Getting synvisc in the other knee in about 2 weeks. Plus NSAID, ice, stretching.
Hoping it will let me return to running full time at least for a couple more years.
Posted by: PRNDL at July 25, 2016 07:36 PM (M7FRt)
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I've been meaning to ask - what is bone broth?
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I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Blech. Never never never. I'd take my beef milk straight up please.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Blech. Never never never. I'd take my beef milk straight up please.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:36 PM (805dc)
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votermom, bone broth is just chicken broth made with chicken bones (instead of using boneless meat). Beef broth made with beef bones, etc.
So if you've ever made homemade chicken stock, you've made bone broth if you used a whole chicken or chicken parts with bones.
So if you've ever made homemade chicken stock, you've made bone broth if you used a whole chicken or chicken parts with bones.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:38 PM (805dc)
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>>> Lastly, this post was up at 5:00pm, will that be a regular time?
I spent an hour going through the last health thread and that's not counting going to links.
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yeah, or later. I can't do it during the day, when news is expected. Can't do it as my last post, when the coven is on.
so i figure late afternoon.
I spent an hour going through the last health thread and that's not counting going to links.
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yeah, or later. I can't do it during the day, when news is expected. Can't do it as my last post, when the coven is on.
so i figure late afternoon.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:40 PM (dciA+)
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I just started taking:
pterostilbene (super resveratrol) and
nicotinamide riboside
This is the anti-aging combo that is in Elysium basis.
If I was a mouse, the nicotinamide riboside would let me go 33% longer on a treadmill. At least in mice, it prevents the decline of mitochondria.
As a human, allegedly, I hope there is some similar effect. I look forward to more research as I hate being a sucker.
pterostilbene (super resveratrol) and
nicotinamide riboside
This is the anti-aging combo that is in Elysium basis.
If I was a mouse, the nicotinamide riboside would let me go 33% longer on a treadmill. At least in mice, it prevents the decline of mitochondria.
As a human, allegedly, I hope there is some similar effect. I look forward to more research as I hate being a sucker.
Posted by: PRNDL at July 25, 2016 07:40 PM (M7FRt)
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I've been meaning to ask - what is bone broth?
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 07:36 PM (7lVbc)
Like making a stock. Some people roast the bones first before simmering.
I've been meaning to ask - what is bone broth?
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 07:36 PM (7lVbc)
Like making a stock. Some people roast the bones first before simmering.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 07:40 PM (Enq6K)
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This is such a great idea, ace. You can see how popular it is. It's so encouraging to know so many people are trying to better their health.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:41 PM (805dc)
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votermom - I had the same question. Who the heck makes broth without bones?? So just another fancy new name for a traditional food. Although I think I read somewhere that the bones are boiled much longer than I've always done it, to extract more of the nutrients/calcium.
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 07:42 PM (3htdE)
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I did the sprinting thing as part of...crap, I've forgotten what university tested it and came up with the program. If someone reminds me later, I'll get the chart out.
It did seem to work, i.e., it made me go faster on my regular runs. It also was brutally hard to confront, at least for me, and hard to recover from.
(Maffetone is very against actually doing speedwork to, y'know, go faster, and I gotta believe this is one place he's maybe off the rails.)
It did seem to work, i.e., it made me go faster on my regular runs. It also was brutally hard to confront, at least for me, and hard to recover from.
(Maffetone is very against actually doing speedwork to, y'know, go faster, and I gotta believe this is one place he's maybe off the rails.)
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 07:42 PM (7zeA4)
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Posting late as I left for work before this thread was up.
I am short and too fat!! I am 5'2"... can't change that, I weigh 225 lbs ... I am going to do something about that!!
I have psoriasis and the related psoriatic arthritis and Hashimoto's Thyroiditis.
I.DO.NOT.WANT.TO.TAKE.MEDS! I like my liver!
So, I have been reading about, implementing a stricter paleo regime called Auto Immune Protocol for about 2 weeks now; I lost about 8 lbs so far.
But now will be adding the Intermittent Fasting.
I've been listening to a bunch of the videos on my drive to work since Friday. I work at a hospital, taking call, so my hours are varied.
Today I got in at 7:00 am, only had my version of bullett proof coffee, which I make using chilled canned coconut milk cream, which is mostly fat (dairy is not allowed on AIP). Only drank fruit infused water.
Just got home and never was hungry during the day.
I finished eating last night at about 9 pm; so that means I've been fasting for about 22 hours!
I"m super excited that I went this long without really thinking about eating. I had brought some bone broth and Butternut squash soup to work, but I didn't feel like stopping to eat!
Sorry for the long post, but I am super excited!
I am short and too fat!! I am 5'2"... can't change that, I weigh 225 lbs ... I am going to do something about that!!
I have psoriasis and the related psoriatic arthritis and Hashimoto's Thyroiditis.
I.DO.NOT.WANT.TO.TAKE.MEDS! I like my liver!
So, I have been reading about, implementing a stricter paleo regime called Auto Immune Protocol for about 2 weeks now; I lost about 8 lbs so far.
But now will be adding the Intermittent Fasting.
I've been listening to a bunch of the videos on my drive to work since Friday. I work at a hospital, taking call, so my hours are varied.
Today I got in at 7:00 am, only had my version of bullett proof coffee, which I make using chilled canned coconut milk cream, which is mostly fat (dairy is not allowed on AIP). Only drank fruit infused water.
Just got home and never was hungry during the day.
I finished eating last night at about 9 pm; so that means I've been fasting for about 22 hours!
I"m super excited that I went this long without really thinking about eating. I had brought some bone broth and Butternut squash soup to work, but I didn't feel like stopping to eat!
Sorry for the long post, but I am super excited!
Posted by: KraKat at July 25, 2016 07:43 PM (8OK44)
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Keep the Vionics by your bed so you put them on first thing. I tried other things (including the lacrosse ball, which did help, but didn't cure it) and this worked great.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (805dc)
That is great to hear that those work. it's weird, but the opposite worked for me--no support, so my feet toughened up, apparently. I had tried the ball and the boot you wear at night, and all the conventional things, but they didn't work. I guess everyone's different.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (805dc)
That is great to hear that those work. it's weird, but the opposite worked for me--no support, so my feet toughened up, apparently. I had tried the ball and the boot you wear at night, and all the conventional things, but they didn't work. I guess everyone's different.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 07:43 PM (ozZau)
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Maureen--
The "bone broth" designation is to keep you from confusing it with the store bought cubes, which is also an answer to your question "Who the heck makes broth without bones?" =)
The "bone broth" designation is to keep you from confusing it with the store bought cubes, which is also an answer to your question "Who the heck makes broth without bones?" =)
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 07:43 PM (7zeA4)
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Posted by: Dansgirls at July 25, 2016 07:28 PM (xBbs+)
You are tough. I would never workout very hard if I didn't have the trainer. I always tell my self I'm going to hike up the mountain. I still haven't tried. It's behind my house so there's no excuse but that I'm basically lazy.
I do walk a lot outside. I will walk up the small hill over and over.
Self motivated people impress me.
You are tough. I would never workout very hard if I didn't have the trainer. I always tell my self I'm going to hike up the mountain. I still haven't tried. It's behind my house so there's no excuse but that I'm basically lazy.
I do walk a lot outside. I will walk up the small hill over and over.
Self motivated people impress me.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 25, 2016 07:47 PM (eU/yZ)
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I lost 10 pounds in two weeks on the IF schedule, nothing else.
Posted by: ustuplay at July 25, 2016 07:48 PM (olvG6)
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>>>443 I use olive oil for almost everything except baking (which I never do for myself anymore; just give away treats as gifts).
The jar of coconut oil I have is quite old. I tried using it in baking and wasn't pleased with the results, but that was probably my fault as I think it is the unrefined variety.
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 07:31 PM (R5PUB) <<<
I use olive oil regularly as a condiment (generally mixed with garlic, salt, hot sauce, and parmesan) but only cook with coconut oil. I'm big on pan frying, sauteing, and making popcorn and find that the unrefined stuff imparts a nice, rich flavor. I can't really comment on baking; the closest I come to that is making microwaved coffee cup flax muffins on occasion.
The jar of coconut oil I have is quite old. I tried using it in baking and wasn't pleased with the results, but that was probably my fault as I think it is the unrefined variety.
Posted by: Truth at July 25, 2016 07:31 PM (R5PUB) <<<
I use olive oil regularly as a condiment (generally mixed with garlic, salt, hot sauce, and parmesan) but only cook with coconut oil. I'm big on pan frying, sauteing, and making popcorn and find that the unrefined stuff imparts a nice, rich flavor. I can't really comment on baking; the closest I come to that is making microwaved coffee cup flax muffins on occasion.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 25, 2016 07:49 PM (jV8Mq)
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465: Ha - that makes sense.
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 07:52 PM (3htdE)
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Maffetone is against speed work (sprinting). But if you want to get faster at marathons, there is a method that works.
1) Most of your runs have to be very slow (heart rate at 180-age). Say 3 a week.
2) 1 long run a week at a heart rate only a bit above that.
3) 1 run a week at race pace.
4) 1 day during the week where you do hard sprints.
I think the idea is to keep your body confused. I found hard to keep this going, but it worked like a charm in improving my time and how fast I could run at a low heart rate.
My weight was at its low at that point too. Only problem was that as soon as I stopped running, I didn't stop eating and packed on the pounds.
1) Most of your runs have to be very slow (heart rate at 180-age). Say 3 a week.
2) 1 long run a week at a heart rate only a bit above that.
3) 1 run a week at race pace.
4) 1 day during the week where you do hard sprints.
I think the idea is to keep your body confused. I found hard to keep this going, but it worked like a charm in improving my time and how fast I could run at a low heart rate.
My weight was at its low at that point too. Only problem was that as soon as I stopped running, I didn't stop eating and packed on the pounds.
Posted by: chris not rock at July 25, 2016 07:53 PM (WO0/g)
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Posted by: KraKat at July 25, 2016 07:43 PM (8OK44)
Congrats. Being excited is good motivator.
Congrats. Being excited is good motivator.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 07:54 PM (yNyJy)
Posted by: KraKat at July 25, 2016 08:00 PM (8OK44)
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461 votermom - I had the same question. Who the heck makes broth without bones?? So just another fancy new name for a traditional food. Although I think I read somewhere that the bones are boiled much longer than I've always done it, to extract more of the nutrients/calcium.
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 07:42 PM (3htdE)
Yeah, I do mine in the crockpot, then freeze it in ice cube trays to store. Makes for easier measurements and less defrosting. To actually make the stuff I put the whole carcass of a roasted chicken in the crockpot with a quartered onion, maybe a handful of chopped celery, salt, and some whole peppercorns, cover with water to almost the top of the pot, then let it cook on low for about 48 hours. The longer you cook it, the more of the nutrients you get out of it.
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 07:42 PM (3htdE)
Yeah, I do mine in the crockpot, then freeze it in ice cube trays to store. Makes for easier measurements and less defrosting. To actually make the stuff I put the whole carcass of a roasted chicken in the crockpot with a quartered onion, maybe a handful of chopped celery, salt, and some whole peppercorns, cover with water to almost the top of the pot, then let it cook on low for about 48 hours. The longer you cook it, the more of the nutrients you get out of it.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 08:00 PM (KkVB6)
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chris not rock --
(1) Been doing that. I thought you were supposed to do 7 days a week, potentially, though.
(2) Didn't know that, don't remember it from book or site, will have to re-read.
(3) Didn't know that either!
(4) REALLY didn't know that!
Heh. More research to do, I guess. I run VERY slowly and it was a real slog to try to increase, so if this works, I'll be happy.
(1) Been doing that. I thought you were supposed to do 7 days a week, potentially, though.
(2) Didn't know that, don't remember it from book or site, will have to re-read.
(3) Didn't know that either!
(4) REALLY didn't know that!
Heh. More research to do, I guess. I run VERY slowly and it was a real slog to try to increase, so if this works, I'll be happy.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 08:02 PM (7zeA4)
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Now that I have the official imprimatur of ace, I will indeed talk about my GAINS.
I am: 5'11'' (unless you're a pretty girl, in which case I'm six feet tall), 235 lbs
Bench: 4 reps of 265, but struggled enough on 4th rep that my spotter touched the bar, so it wouldn't count at competition
Deadlift: 5 reps of 365, and felt like I probably could have hit one more. I used to use straps as training wheels but I don't anymore. I use a traditional stance with one hand reversed as my grip - the guy I workout with that is closest to my level of strength (but much more fit - he's like 5'8'' 170 and is 10 years younger than me) and whom I sort of compete with does sumo deadlifts. I'm just not as comfortable with the sumo stance.
I'm re-testing my one rep maxes in two weeks. My deadlift last time (about a year ago) was 380 with straps - obviously I'm going to shoot past that. I'm hoping to hit 4 plates, so that's 405, but I'm feeling I might even be able to top that.
For bench, my one-rep last check was 270, so again, I know I'll shoot past that. The 'chart' says my current performance puts me around IIRC 285 or 290. For the sake of round numbers and easy bar math, I'd like to hit three plates, so 315. That's probably a goal for a couple months down the road, though.
Obviously I'm focused on strength now, but I do want to lose weight also. I'm not experimenting with IF yet, just doing healthier food and smaller portions. But if enough of the horde get results with IF I might jump on the bandwagon.
I am: 5'11'' (unless you're a pretty girl, in which case I'm six feet tall), 235 lbs
Bench: 4 reps of 265, but struggled enough on 4th rep that my spotter touched the bar, so it wouldn't count at competition
Deadlift: 5 reps of 365, and felt like I probably could have hit one more. I used to use straps as training wheels but I don't anymore. I use a traditional stance with one hand reversed as my grip - the guy I workout with that is closest to my level of strength (but much more fit - he's like 5'8'' 170 and is 10 years younger than me) and whom I sort of compete with does sumo deadlifts. I'm just not as comfortable with the sumo stance.
I'm re-testing my one rep maxes in two weeks. My deadlift last time (about a year ago) was 380 with straps - obviously I'm going to shoot past that. I'm hoping to hit 4 plates, so that's 405, but I'm feeling I might even be able to top that.
For bench, my one-rep last check was 270, so again, I know I'll shoot past that. The 'chart' says my current performance puts me around IIRC 285 or 290. For the sake of round numbers and easy bar math, I'd like to hit three plates, so 315. That's probably a goal for a couple months down the road, though.
Obviously I'm focused on strength now, but I do want to lose weight also. I'm not experimenting with IF yet, just doing healthier food and smaller portions. But if enough of the horde get results with IF I might jump on the bandwagon.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 08:08 PM (kumBu)
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okay i had three egg yolks and a small amount of egg white
i'll let you know if this boosts my ketosis tomorrow.
i'll let you know if this boosts my ketosis tomorrow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 08:09 PM (dciA+)
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473 - To actually make the stuff I put the whole carcass of a roasted chicken in the crockpot
Mandy - me too. I also save wingtips and throw them in if I have them. And if chicken breasts on the bone are on sale, I'll buy a bunch and remove the bones from some of them and use those.
One of these days I'm going to get around to buying a bag of beef bones from a local farm and make a beef broth. Some day....!
Mandy - me too. I also save wingtips and throw them in if I have them. And if chicken breasts on the bone are on sale, I'll buy a bunch and remove the bones from some of them and use those.
One of these days I'm going to get around to buying a bag of beef bones from a local farm and make a beef broth. Some day....!
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 08:10 PM (3htdE)
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You got me started again with the intermittent fasting. Thanks! I'm going on three weeks, down 5 pounds. I fast between 15 and 16 hours. I'm pushing it to 18-20 tomorrow. Wish me luck!
I feel so much better.
I feel so much better.
Posted by: Sue at July 25, 2016 08:10 PM (N5Lm3)
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I run VERY slowly and it was a real slog to try to increase, so if this works, I'll be happy.
You learn to run fast by running fast. It's not all strength, it's also muscle memory. Find a gentle downslope and us it to increase your speed. Let me repeat, very gentle downslope. You never want to feel out of control with your arms flying all akimbo.
Uphill for strength, downhill for speed training.
You learn to run fast by running fast. It's not all strength, it's also muscle memory. Find a gentle downslope and us it to increase your speed. Let me repeat, very gentle downslope. You never want to feel out of control with your arms flying all akimbo.
Uphill for strength, downhill for speed training.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 08:11 PM (rwI+c)
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21Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 05:15 PM (3ZoRf
Hope I am not breaking rules by commenting here with other threads up.
Re. rowing. I am a distance and endurance person. Old as dirt so have tried a lot of different sports, programs and changes. I love distance swimming and rowing. I hate sprints. But change of pace for me is essential to lean out.
But boredom sets in -- and sprints, intervals, etc. can add a lot. So I changed from racking up meters and time to changing things up. Maybe 20-15 minutes warm up, intervals 30sec hard, 1 min regular, x 3 or 5, then dismount and add series beside the erg -- maybe push ups, step ups, deadlifts -- 5 -8 each x1 or 2 max, and then return to 3-5 steady row, and repeat. Try to do a within specified amount of time.
Do similar with swimming, some days endurance, other, change up strokes, pulls, etc and add sprints.
Keeps me interested. 2 cents. Also for me, a good all around series of Turkish Get Ups with KB, weight of your choosing or not .
Hope I am not breaking rules by commenting here with other threads up.
Re. rowing. I am a distance and endurance person. Old as dirt so have tried a lot of different sports, programs and changes. I love distance swimming and rowing. I hate sprints. But change of pace for me is essential to lean out.
But boredom sets in -- and sprints, intervals, etc. can add a lot. So I changed from racking up meters and time to changing things up. Maybe 20-15 minutes warm up, intervals 30sec hard, 1 min regular, x 3 or 5, then dismount and add series beside the erg -- maybe push ups, step ups, deadlifts -- 5 -8 each x1 or 2 max, and then return to 3-5 steady row, and repeat. Try to do a within specified amount of time.
Do similar with swimming, some days endurance, other, change up strokes, pulls, etc and add sprints.
Keeps me interested. 2 cents. Also for me, a good all around series of Turkish Get Ups with KB, weight of your choosing or not .
Posted by: gracepc at July 25, 2016 08:12 PM (OU4q6)
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Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 08:10 PM
I've done beef bones, too, and it's really good. So much better tasting than the watery stuff in the box or can in the store. It's just very rich tasting, if that makes sense.
I've done beef bones, too, and it's really good. So much better tasting than the watery stuff in the box or can in the store. It's just very rich tasting, if that makes sense.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 08:13 PM (KkVB6)
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Re bone broth: Many of the Paleo sites recommend using an Instant Pot, which is a multi function cooking unit: pressure cooker, slow cooker, rice cooker, steamer...
You use the pressure cooker feature to make bone broth in about 3 hours:
celery, carrots, onion, bones, salt (I use fish sauce), apple cider vinegar and water. Takes about 20 mins to get up to pressure; cook for 2 hours, 20 mins to depressurize.
I got mine on Amazon, so you could help out Ace by going through his Amazon link!
You use the pressure cooker feature to make bone broth in about 3 hours:
celery, carrots, onion, bones, salt (I use fish sauce), apple cider vinegar and water. Takes about 20 mins to get up to pressure; cook for 2 hours, 20 mins to depressurize.
I got mine on Amazon, so you could help out Ace by going through his Amazon link!
Posted by: KraKat at July 25, 2016 08:15 PM (8OK44)
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I read here a lot but don't post that much. I have really been following these health threads closely since I'm in the midst of dieting and exercising also.
I'm going to try the butter/cinnamon in my coffee and substitute olive oil for the coconut oil I don't have any coconut oil.
That will be my all morning breakfast. I drink 3 cups of coffee now so I want to take it down to 2.
Breakfast (bacon and eggs) will move up to the lunch spot with my veggies and fruit for dinner.
If we are going to fight leftist, Statist commies we better be in tip top condition.
I've been concentrating on finger strength so I can hold my nose while simultaneously pulling that lever for Trump.
Trump may not be my first choice but he is Golden when compared to that pantsuit wearing, lying Grandma Felon running against him.
Thanks for all the info on dieting, exercising and such. Please keep it coming. It is much appreciated.
I'm going to try the butter/cinnamon in my coffee and substitute olive oil for the coconut oil I don't have any coconut oil.
That will be my all morning breakfast. I drink 3 cups of coffee now so I want to take it down to 2.
Breakfast (bacon and eggs) will move up to the lunch spot with my veggies and fruit for dinner.
If we are going to fight leftist, Statist commies we better be in tip top condition.
I've been concentrating on finger strength so I can hold my nose while simultaneously pulling that lever for Trump.
Trump may not be my first choice but he is Golden when compared to that pantsuit wearing, lying Grandma Felon running against him.
Thanks for all the info on dieting, exercising and such. Please keep it coming. It is much appreciated.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 25, 2016 08:17 PM (cCxiu)
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I mix a glass of water with one TBSP vinegar and 1/4 TSP baking soda twice a day to keep my system PH on the alkaline rather than acidic side. Weird, but with lots of ice, I find it a refreshing drink!
Posted by: Mary at July 25, 2016 08:18 PM (2ly7u)
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Ace, I had completely forgotten that you pooped your pants. I don't know what's wrong with me today.
Posted by: Jrytrpt at July 25, 2016 08:18 PM (zj3T7)
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Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks
Makes total sense, it's got to be all that delicious marrow. Do you roast the bones first? I remember reading a recipe from (I think) Julie Child where the whole process took a day or two. I'm sure it's amazing, but.....
Makes total sense, it's got to be all that delicious marrow. Do you roast the bones first? I remember reading a recipe from (I think) Julie Child where the whole process took a day or two. I'm sure it's amazing, but.....
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 08:18 PM (3htdE)
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I forgot to add to the thread a great greens supplement is Athletic Greens. Spendy but very good.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:21 PM (R5HRU)
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Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at July 25, 2016 08:00 PM (KkVB6)
I will try that the next time we have roast chicken. Thanks.
I want to make beef broth now. Gotta get some bones.
I will try that the next time we have roast chicken. Thanks.
I want to make beef broth now. Gotta get some bones.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 08:22 PM (7lVbc)
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I have about 3-4 chicken carcasses and a hundred wing tips in the freezer to make stock when it cools down a bit.....November or so.
Posted by: lindafell TEXIT!! at July 25, 2016 08:27 PM (xVgrA)
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Posted by: @votermom
Votermom...not sure where you live, but around here (TN) small local beef farm sell "bags of bones" pretty cheaply. They're harder to come by from normal butchers/supermarkets, where you can still usually get chicken backs or wing tips pretty easily.
Votermom...not sure where you live, but around here (TN) small local beef farm sell "bags of bones" pretty cheaply. They're harder to come by from normal butchers/supermarkets, where you can still usually get chicken backs or wing tips pretty easily.
Posted by: Maureen the Lurker at July 25, 2016 08:28 PM (3htdE)
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For bench, my one-rep last check was 270, so again, I
know I'll shoot past that. The 'chart' says my current performance puts
me around IIRC 285 or 290. For the sake of round numbers and easy bar
math, I'd like to hit three plates, so 315. That's probably a goal for a
couple months down the road, though.
Obviously I'm focused on
strength now, but I do want to lose weight also. I'm not experimenting
with IF yet, just doing healthier food and smaller portions. But if
enough of the horde get results with IF I might jump on the bandwagon.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 08:08 PM (kumBu)
Great numbers Bro!!!
Here's a key takeaway from the Hodge Twins about IF: when you lift weights, do it in your fasted state.
When I saw that, I thought "oh no effin way. I'll pass out." My first two days on IF weren't weight days. The 3d day was a weight day...and the idea of burning fat to fuel my workouts was intriguing, to say the least. But just in case, I put two protein bars in my bag, because I just KNEW I wouldn't get through the workout with them. And it was squat day.
Well surprise, surprise, surprise. Not only did I make complete the workout in the fasted state, I felt strong throughout the workout. Squat day, bench day, and deadlift day...all in the fasted state. And today is the beginning of my 3d week on IF. No question I'm burning fat, the way my Wranglers fit is testament to that.
And I'm not putting up beginner numbers either. Last week, peak squat set was 315 x 3, during bench day, singles at 300, 315, and 325, and during deads, a set of 350 x 4. Needless to say, I'm delighted that I'm using fat to fuel these workouts.
My workouts begin at the 14th hour of my fasted state.
It works.
know I'll shoot past that. The 'chart' says my current performance puts
me around IIRC 285 or 290. For the sake of round numbers and easy bar
math, I'd like to hit three plates, so 315. That's probably a goal for a
couple months down the road, though.
Obviously I'm focused on
strength now, but I do want to lose weight also. I'm not experimenting
with IF yet, just doing healthier food and smaller portions. But if
enough of the horde get results with IF I might jump on the bandwagon.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 08:08 PM (kumBu)
Great numbers Bro!!!
Here's a key takeaway from the Hodge Twins about IF: when you lift weights, do it in your fasted state.
When I saw that, I thought "oh no effin way. I'll pass out." My first two days on IF weren't weight days. The 3d day was a weight day...and the idea of burning fat to fuel my workouts was intriguing, to say the least. But just in case, I put two protein bars in my bag, because I just KNEW I wouldn't get through the workout with them. And it was squat day.
Well surprise, surprise, surprise. Not only did I make complete the workout in the fasted state, I felt strong throughout the workout. Squat day, bench day, and deadlift day...all in the fasted state. And today is the beginning of my 3d week on IF. No question I'm burning fat, the way my Wranglers fit is testament to that.
And I'm not putting up beginner numbers either. Last week, peak squat set was 315 x 3, during bench day, singles at 300, 315, and 325, and during deads, a set of 350 x 4. Needless to say, I'm delighted that I'm using fat to fuel these workouts.
My workouts begin at the 14th hour of my fasted state.
It works.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 08:32 PM (yxupc)
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Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 05:31 PM (dciA+)
There is all kinds of thinking out there. Original Strength goes with a short series of crawling, rolling over, rocking and leopard crawls. Sounds stupid, works well in am.
There is all kinds of thinking out there. Original Strength goes with a short series of crawling, rolling over, rocking and leopard crawls. Sounds stupid, works well in am.
Posted by: gracepc at July 25, 2016 08:33 PM (OU4q6)
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Oh, and since I guess it also kinda matter.
I'm about to turn 29 in two weeks. My routine is on Monday and Wednesday I do what is basically a 45 minute HIIT (high intensity internal training) class. On Tuesday and Thursday I do the class that emphasizes the powerlifting stuff - we bench every Tuesday and deadlift every Thursday. After doing our sets (usually one warmup and three sets of increasing weight/decreasing reps, and we have an 'off-exercise' that usually works the same muscle group that we do while the other guys in the class are doing their lift, so we end up doing 3 or 4 sets of the 'off-exercise.' Sometimes it's kroc rows, sometimes it's band pull-aparts, sometimes it's something totally different like reverse crunches), we do a strength-based cardio circuit - the trainer is good at hitting different muscle groups, and we have some of the fun shit to use every once in a while (tires for flips, sledgehammers, weight sleds, heavy ropes, kegs, atlas stones). The total workout is again about 45 minutes. I always do a short warmup beforehand and stretch/use a foam roller afterwards. It incorporates some CrossFit elements, but it's definitely not CrossFit.
I do pretty much nothing exercise-wise on Friday and Sunday. On Saturday I work out at home but no heavy weights, mostly just cardio and core work and stretching.
I don't know if there's an "ideal" way to schedule workouts. My regimen now seems to be working well. Yeah, I'm sore as hell Friday morning, but that's the price of working hard during the week.
At one point I was definitely using too many painkillers to manage the soreness/muscle fatigue. My kidney and liver function always check out just fine at my physicals, but I know part of that is due to youth, and I don't want to start bad habits. I try to use as few NSAIDs as possible now - no APAP (tylenol) ever, and if I feel I really need it, I'll use a bit of aspirin or ibuprofin. I also have this topical gel (it's called Voltaren - for medical types who would know or care, it's diclofenac sodium) that is good for shoulder and hip pain in lieu of painkillers - my grandpa is a Dr., so I just get it from him. I also ordered magnesium on the advice of fellow Moron sixkiller and I hope that will also help combat the soreness and muscle fatigue.
I'm about to turn 29 in two weeks. My routine is on Monday and Wednesday I do what is basically a 45 minute HIIT (high intensity internal training) class. On Tuesday and Thursday I do the class that emphasizes the powerlifting stuff - we bench every Tuesday and deadlift every Thursday. After doing our sets (usually one warmup and three sets of increasing weight/decreasing reps, and we have an 'off-exercise' that usually works the same muscle group that we do while the other guys in the class are doing their lift, so we end up doing 3 or 4 sets of the 'off-exercise.' Sometimes it's kroc rows, sometimes it's band pull-aparts, sometimes it's something totally different like reverse crunches), we do a strength-based cardio circuit - the trainer is good at hitting different muscle groups, and we have some of the fun shit to use every once in a while (tires for flips, sledgehammers, weight sleds, heavy ropes, kegs, atlas stones). The total workout is again about 45 minutes. I always do a short warmup beforehand and stretch/use a foam roller afterwards. It incorporates some CrossFit elements, but it's definitely not CrossFit.
I do pretty much nothing exercise-wise on Friday and Sunday. On Saturday I work out at home but no heavy weights, mostly just cardio and core work and stretching.
I don't know if there's an "ideal" way to schedule workouts. My regimen now seems to be working well. Yeah, I'm sore as hell Friday morning, but that's the price of working hard during the week.
At one point I was definitely using too many painkillers to manage the soreness/muscle fatigue. My kidney and liver function always check out just fine at my physicals, but I know part of that is due to youth, and I don't want to start bad habits. I try to use as few NSAIDs as possible now - no APAP (tylenol) ever, and if I feel I really need it, I'll use a bit of aspirin or ibuprofin. I also have this topical gel (it's called Voltaren - for medical types who would know or care, it's diclofenac sodium) that is good for shoulder and hip pain in lieu of painkillers - my grandpa is a Dr., so I just get it from him. I also ordered magnesium on the advice of fellow Moron sixkiller and I hope that will also help combat the soreness and muscle fatigue.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 08:34 PM (kumBu)
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Bro,
I didn't see triceps mentioned as a separate body part.
Your accessory exercises need to work triceps in a big way on bench day. As you well know, locking the weight out is key to finishing the lift.
I haven't competed since 08, but I never went into a meet thinking my triceps or hamstrings were too strong. Never.
I didn't see triceps mentioned as a separate body part.
Your accessory exercises need to work triceps in a big way on bench day. As you well know, locking the weight out is key to finishing the lift.
I haven't competed since 08, but I never went into a meet thinking my triceps or hamstrings were too strong. Never.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 08:38 PM (yxupc)
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broseidon, ever heard of Relief Factor? Look into that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:47 PM (R5HRU)
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hamstrings and hips can never be too strong.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:48 PM (R5HRU)
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hamstrings and hips can never be too strong.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:48 PM (R5HRU)
Squats and deadlifts will work hamstrings, hips and glutes fer sure.
Throw in some accessory work on the glute/ham machine and you're golden!
hamstrings and hips can never be too strong.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:48 PM (R5HRU)
Squats and deadlifts will work hamstrings, hips and glutes fer sure.
Throw in some accessory work on the glute/ham machine and you're golden!
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:04 PM (yxupc)
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hamstrings and hips can never be too strong.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:48 PM (R5HRU)
Squats and deadlifts will work hamstrings, hips and glutes fer sure.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:04 PM (yxupc)
That rear-wheel drive is critical. Squats FTW.
I'm trying to get my husband to do this, but he's always recovering from something. It's a weird deal when you realize that you're physically stronger than the man you married.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:48 PM (R5HRU)
Squats and deadlifts will work hamstrings, hips and glutes fer sure.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:04 PM (yxupc)
That rear-wheel drive is critical. Squats FTW.
I'm trying to get my husband to do this, but he's always recovering from something. It's a weird deal when you realize that you're physically stronger than the man you married.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 09:14 PM (ozZau)
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Okay, simple delicious treat. I just warmed to molten a 3rd of a stick of cream cheese, mixed in cinnnamon, heavy cream, splenda and vanilla.
Heated in the microwave until I could mix it smoothly, then put it in the refrigerator until cool.
It is excellent.
Heated in the microwave until I could mix it smoothly, then put it in the refrigerator until cool.
It is excellent.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 09:15 PM (rwI+c)
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I've been HFLC for about 2 years now. Lost about 70 lbs going from 290 to 220-225ish. I go the heavy whipping cream and stevia route with my coffee in the morning. I've pretty much plateaued at around this weight though it seems and would probably need to start exercising to start losing again. Though a lot of people have commented that I look skinny, but being 6'4" I can get away with that will still weighing 225. One thing that I have noticed is that I can dip down to under 220 for a bit if I actually have a cheat day were I eat pizza or past and then go back to low carb. I'm guessing the carbs are revving up my metabolism somewhat. I do take a couple of tablespoons of apple cider vinegar though I treat it like a shot of vodka and literally put it in a shot glass and slug it down. One way to make it go down smoother is to mince up some fresh garlic, mix it with a couple of cups of cider vinegar in a sauce pan and simmer for 10 minutes or so. Put this in a jar with a lid in it in the fridge. Makes it taste more like a salad dressing and the garlic is good for you to boot. Drinking the vinegar straight also helps if you have a swollen gland in your neck, sore throat, or a lot of mucus crud throat. The vinegar makes you pucker so much you can feel it squeezing those toxins right out of your throat.
Posted by: HeftyJo at July 25, 2016 09:16 PM (TVDHC)
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Thanks Ace for the health thread. I'm rebooting my LCHF/IF diet plan after several weeks of cavalier neglect of my health. I'm 6'4" and ~250 lbs now and need to get down to ~200 lbs. I drink apple cider vinegar each morning on an empty stomach by adding ~1 TBSP to a pint glass of water and just powering it down. I think I will start an exercise regimen soon after my well-being has stabilized some.
Posted by: Arnie Fufkin at July 25, 2016 09:18 PM (JUHfN)
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:19 PM (yxupc)
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I'm trying to get my husband to do this, but he's
always recovering from something. It's a weird deal when you realize
that you're physically stronger than the man you married.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 09:14 PM (ozZau)
Keep after him, Stace.
If you could only do one exercise in the gym for the rest of your life, that exercise should be squats. It's the best all-around exercise there is.
Start hubby off with Goblet squats...he can do it.
always recovering from something. It's a weird deal when you realize
that you're physically stronger than the man you married.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 09:14 PM (ozZau)
Keep after him, Stace.
If you could only do one exercise in the gym for the rest of your life, that exercise should be squats. It's the best all-around exercise there is.
Start hubby off with Goblet squats...he can do it.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:23 PM (yxupc)
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"
I didn't see triceps mentioned as a separate body part.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 08:38 PM (yxupc)"Yeah, we usually hit tris as well on bench day, either as the 'off-exercise' or during the circuit. I've definitely had those sets where I know I'm just a hair away from being able to lock it out but my tris just aren't cooperating. But we definitely work them.Thanks for all the advice, btw.
I can certainly tell you that if you told my 18 year old self that in just over a decade I'd be soliciting help on improving my bench press on a conservative blog, he'd probably die from shock, since I was a left-of-center blob of goo.
I didn't see triceps mentioned as a separate body part.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 08:38 PM (yxupc)"Yeah, we usually hit tris as well on bench day, either as the 'off-exercise' or during the circuit. I've definitely had those sets where I know I'm just a hair away from being able to lock it out but my tris just aren't cooperating. But we definitely work them.Thanks for all the advice, btw.
I can certainly tell you that if you told my 18 year old self that in just over a decade I'd be soliciting help on improving my bench press on a conservative blog, he'd probably die from shock, since I was a left-of-center blob of goo.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:27 PM (kumBu)
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"Squats and deadlifts will work hamstrings, hips and glutes fer sure.
Throw in some accessory work on the glute/ham machine and you're golden!
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:04 PM (yxupc) "
Yeah, we don't do Oly style squats every week mostly because the class is twice a week and my trainer prefers deadlift and bench being the centerpieces, but we almost always have a squat somewhere in there, usually goblet squats and sometimes zercher squats lately (which are brutal, but I think some of that is my form sucks on it atm and I need to improve it). There's a reason that the Big 3 lifts are the Big 3 - they work.
Throw in some accessory work on the glute/ham machine and you're golden!
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:04 PM (yxupc) "
Yeah, we don't do Oly style squats every week mostly because the class is twice a week and my trainer prefers deadlift and bench being the centerpieces, but we almost always have a squat somewhere in there, usually goblet squats and sometimes zercher squats lately (which are brutal, but I think some of that is my form sucks on it atm and I need to improve it). There's a reason that the Big 3 lifts are the Big 3 - they work.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:34 PM (kumBu)
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Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 08:38 PM
(yxupc)"Yeah, we usually hit tris as well on bench day, either as the
'off-exercise' or during the circuit. I've definitely had those sets
where I know I'm just a hair away from being able to lock it out but my
tris just aren't cooperating. But we definitely work them.Thanks for all
the advice, btw.
I can certainly tell you that if you told my 18
year old self that in just over a decade I'd be soliciting help on
improving my bench press on a conservative blog, he'd probably die from
shock, since I was a left-of-center blob of goo.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:27 PM (kumBu)
I switch the exercises up to keep things fresh and ensure I hit all 3 heads of the triceps.
For example, last Wednesday, I did super-sets of weighted dips (25 pounder) combined with triceps push downs. The sets of weighted dips were all I could get; the push downs used a heavy enough weight to limit my reps to 10-12. Any less than that and I wouldn't be ramming enough blood into the muscle. Go from one exercise to the other, no rest. That's one set. Rest. Repeat. 3 sets total.
Next up, super set triceps extensions, using the rope attachment, with reverse triceps extensions using the bar. Again, one after the other; 10-12 reps, 3 sets total.
You'll get a great pump and lots of blood flow to grow the muscle.
(yxupc)"Yeah, we usually hit tris as well on bench day, either as the
'off-exercise' or during the circuit. I've definitely had those sets
where I know I'm just a hair away from being able to lock it out but my
tris just aren't cooperating. But we definitely work them.Thanks for all
the advice, btw.
I can certainly tell you that if you told my 18
year old self that in just over a decade I'd be soliciting help on
improving my bench press on a conservative blog, he'd probably die from
shock, since I was a left-of-center blob of goo.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:27 PM (kumBu)
I switch the exercises up to keep things fresh and ensure I hit all 3 heads of the triceps.
For example, last Wednesday, I did super-sets of weighted dips (25 pounder) combined with triceps push downs. The sets of weighted dips were all I could get; the push downs used a heavy enough weight to limit my reps to 10-12. Any less than that and I wouldn't be ramming enough blood into the muscle. Go from one exercise to the other, no rest. That's one set. Rest. Repeat. 3 sets total.
Next up, super set triceps extensions, using the rope attachment, with reverse triceps extensions using the bar. Again, one after the other; 10-12 reps, 3 sets total.
You'll get a great pump and lots of blood flow to grow the muscle.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:38 PM (yxupc)
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"broseidon, ever heard of Relief Factor? Look into that.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:47 PM (R5HRU) "
I'll check it out. Anything that helps keep me away from NSAIDs as a panacea for everything is a boon.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at July 25, 2016 08:47 PM (R5HRU) "
I'll check it out. Anything that helps keep me away from NSAIDs as a panacea for everything is a boon.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:38 PM (kumBu)
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but we almost always have a squat somewhere in
there, usually goblet squats and sometimes zercher squats lately (which
are brutal, but I think some of that is my form sucks on it atm and I
need to improve it). There's a reason that the Big 3 lifts are the Big 3
- they work.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:34 PM (kumBu)
I just watched a video of a Zercher squat. Looks like a much more painful version of a Goblet squat, except using a barbell, and designed to screw with your elbows!
If your trainer loves them, however, you're probably going to keep doing them.
In the video I watched, I would have one suggestion for the guy performing the squats. I thought his stance was a little too narrow -- 2-4 inches wider would make a huge difference; plus, if he pointed his toes outward at more like a 45 degree angle instead of straight ahead, it would take the strain off his knees.
But hey - that was the only video I watched.
there, usually goblet squats and sometimes zercher squats lately (which
are brutal, but I think some of that is my form sucks on it atm and I
need to improve it). There's a reason that the Big 3 lifts are the Big 3
- they work.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 09:34 PM (kumBu)
I just watched a video of a Zercher squat. Looks like a much more painful version of a Goblet squat, except using a barbell, and designed to screw with your elbows!
If your trainer loves them, however, you're probably going to keep doing them.
In the video I watched, I would have one suggestion for the guy performing the squats. I thought his stance was a little too narrow -- 2-4 inches wider would make a huge difference; plus, if he pointed his toes outward at more like a 45 degree angle instead of straight ahead, it would take the strain off his knees.
But hey - that was the only video I watched.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:45 PM (yxupc)
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1 Pat of butter
1 packet of artificial sweetener
A dab of vanilla - a little goes a long way
Mix together. Eat.
I don't like Stevia sweetner. I use a no-name brand.
It tastes like you are eating cookie batter before you add the flour/dry items when making cookies from scratch.
When you make chocolate chip cookies you mix butter, white and brown sugar, vanilla, and eggs. Then you add the flour/dry items.
So it's like you are sneaking a taste.
1 packet of artificial sweetener
A dab of vanilla - a little goes a long way
Mix together. Eat.
I don't like Stevia sweetner. I use a no-name brand.
It tastes like you are eating cookie batter before you add the flour/dry items when making cookies from scratch.
When you make chocolate chip cookies you mix butter, white and brown sugar, vanilla, and eggs. Then you add the flour/dry items.
So it's like you are sneaking a taste.
Posted by: Sweet Atkins Diet treat at July 25, 2016 09:47 PM (Qv8F7)
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Broseidon,
Here's a short intro video (1:30) from Westside Barbell on box squatting.
Note the wide stance and the foot angle. Also the monolift -- only powerlifting gyms have these.
Box squats are the best way to train the deadlift.
Here's a short intro video (1:30) from Westside Barbell on box squatting.
Note the wide stance and the foot angle. Also the monolift -- only powerlifting gyms have these.
Box squats are the best way to train the deadlift.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:53 PM (yxupc)
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:54 PM (yxupc)
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"http://tinyurl.com/Box-Squats
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:54 PM (yxupc) "
I forgot, yeah, we have done those too - either with the barbell across the shoulders like Oly style, and I believe we may have done it with two dumbbells like a front squat and with two kettle bells in the same way.
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the Zercher squat either, but I did find early on that the wide stance is the way to go - I was almost pushing my feet against the squat rack. With a narrow stance, they were just killing me.
We don't do them that often, though - usually he works them into a 'strongman style' workout once a month, and our go-to is goblet squats or less often those box squats (though we don't do the barbell box squats as often).
But he's not a drill sgt. and he's always open to suggestions if we have preferences for changing the workouts, so I might suggest that we try doing the barbell box squats more often.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:54 PM (yxupc) "
I forgot, yeah, we have done those too - either with the barbell across the shoulders like Oly style, and I believe we may have done it with two dumbbells like a front squat and with two kettle bells in the same way.
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the Zercher squat either, but I did find early on that the wide stance is the way to go - I was almost pushing my feet against the squat rack. With a narrow stance, they were just killing me.
We don't do them that often, though - usually he works them into a 'strongman style' workout once a month, and our go-to is goblet squats or less often those box squats (though we don't do the barbell box squats as often).
But he's not a drill sgt. and he's always open to suggestions if we have preferences for changing the workouts, so I might suggest that we try doing the barbell box squats more often.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 10:08 PM (kumBu)
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Beyond Bulletproof: Adding *fiber* to my current version of bulletproof coffee. Specifically, potato starch and Inulin FOS. The theory here is to continue everyday intermittant fasting(nothing to eat from 8pm to noon except fatty coffee) and low carb dieting, with fiber supplements that will keep large intestine bugs happy and producing short chain fatty acids and other fermentation by-products. Why add that? Low carb diets are probably too low in fiber, which harms the bowel lining and allows inflammation and immune system response causing stuff into the body.
Posted by: Quantum of Bollocks at July 25, 2016 10:12 PM (JlyCG)
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493 I also ordered magnesium on the advice of fellow Moron sixkiller
and I hope that will also help combat the soreness and muscle fatigue.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 08:34 PM (kumBu)
I thought I'd try to increase my magnesium for a variety of reasons that sounded good at the time. After taking magnesium supplements for a bit, my memory popped out something from a hazy, unpleasant period some years before.....the "cleanout juice" for colonoscopy prep is primarily magnesium.
I don't know if I netted any actual absorbed magnesium, but the supplements can be brutal on your absorption of everything else.
and I hope that will also help combat the soreness and muscle fatigue.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 08:34 PM (kumBu)
I thought I'd try to increase my magnesium for a variety of reasons that sounded good at the time. After taking magnesium supplements for a bit, my memory popped out something from a hazy, unpleasant period some years before.....the "cleanout juice" for colonoscopy prep is primarily magnesium.
I don't know if I netted any actual absorbed magnesium, but the supplements can be brutal on your absorption of everything else.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 10:19 PM (EzgxV)
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513
Beyond Bulletproof: Adding *fiber* to my current version of
bulletproof coffee. Specifically, potato starch and Inulin FOS. The
theory here is to continue everyday intermittant fasting(nothing to eat
from 8pm to noon except fatty coffee) and low carb dieting, with fiber
supplements that will keep large intestine bugs happy and producing
short chain fatty acids and other fermentation by-products. Why add
that? Low carb diets are probably too low in fiber, which harms the
bowel lining and allows inflammation and immune system response causing
stuff into the body.
Posted by: Quantum of Bollocks at July 25, 2016 10:12 PM (JlyCG)
Starch isn't fiber. It's actually converted to sugars by enzymes in your saliva -- it hits the stomach as sugars.
Beyond Bulletproof: Adding *fiber* to my current version of
bulletproof coffee. Specifically, potato starch and Inulin FOS. The
theory here is to continue everyday intermittant fasting(nothing to eat
from 8pm to noon except fatty coffee) and low carb dieting, with fiber
supplements that will keep large intestine bugs happy and producing
short chain fatty acids and other fermentation by-products. Why add
that? Low carb diets are probably too low in fiber, which harms the
bowel lining and allows inflammation and immune system response causing
stuff into the body.
Posted by: Quantum of Bollocks at July 25, 2016 10:12 PM (JlyCG)
Starch isn't fiber. It's actually converted to sugars by enzymes in your saliva -- it hits the stomach as sugars.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 10:24 PM (EzgxV)
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Important recipe note on mixing potato starch into any hot drink: The fiber transforms into digestible ...carbohydrates it seems...at temps above 130F, so the trick is to work out the number of ice cubes it takes to cool your standard cup of hot beverage to something below that, before adding the fiber. Bonus: This seems to help disperse the oils into the coffee better, rather than subjectIng me to concentrated doses off the top. Also have added raw coconut powder atop the rest. One or a combo of these additives precipitates a bit, so an occasional shaking of the Contigo mug seems to be required.
Subjective results: This seems to have beaten down cravings and diet failings of the scrounging for carbs variety. hoping to lose some fat now after being stable for a few years about where I am, maybe 5 to 8 lbs north of ideal.
Subjective results: This seems to have beaten down cravings and diet failings of the scrounging for carbs variety. hoping to lose some fat now after being stable for a few years about where I am, maybe 5 to 8 lbs north of ideal.
Posted by: Quantum of Bollocks at July 25, 2016 10:31 PM (JlyCG)
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#515. Supposedly Not true of "potato starch" when consumed unheated. It is a resistant starch that only bugs in the lower gut can do anything with.
Posted by: Quantum of Bollocks at July 25, 2016 10:33 PM (JlyCG)
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Just got back into my IF and ACV again after some weird 100+ fasting bg and for the first time, I've been in the low to mid 70s. No hypos, (no meds, just diet and exercise) just feeling good.
As long as my labs continue to look good (which they are), this way of eating is completely sustainable and probably saved my life.
FYI, my son was diagnosed with T1 and we are also doing lchf for his treatment (with insulin). Have to run some genetic tests on me to see where the link is, but either way, we have so much more control and energy eating this way.
As long as my labs continue to look good (which they are), this way of eating is completely sustainable and probably saved my life.
FYI, my son was diagnosed with T1 and we are also doing lchf for his treatment (with insulin). Have to run some genetic tests on me to see where the link is, but either way, we have so much more control and energy eating this way.
Posted by: Diane Suffern at July 25, 2016 10:40 PM (7tHmS)
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I thought I'd try to increase my magnesium for a
variety of reasons that sounded good at the time. After taking magnesium
supplements for a bit, my memory popped out something from a hazy,
unpleasant period some years before.....the "cleanout juice" for
colonoscopy prep is primarily magnesium.
I don't know if I netted any actual absorbed magnesium, but the supplements can be brutal on your absorption of everything else.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 10:19 PM (EzgxV)
Loose stool can result from too much magnesium, primarily magnesium oxide. Back off the dosage and you'll be fine.
Better yet, don't take magnesium oxide at all, take magnesium chloride which has a far greater bio-availability rate. With magnesium oxide, you're wasting your money.
variety of reasons that sounded good at the time. After taking magnesium
supplements for a bit, my memory popped out something from a hazy,
unpleasant period some years before.....the "cleanout juice" for
colonoscopy prep is primarily magnesium.
I don't know if I netted any actual absorbed magnesium, but the supplements can be brutal on your absorption of everything else.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 10:19 PM (EzgxV)
Loose stool can result from too much magnesium, primarily magnesium oxide. Back off the dosage and you'll be fine.
Better yet, don't take magnesium oxide at all, take magnesium chloride which has a far greater bio-availability rate. With magnesium oxide, you're wasting your money.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 10:49 PM (yxupc)
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380 Stace--
I'd be interested in anything that strengthens nails. I'm a classical guitarist, and I used to be able to rip through cardboard with my nails. (It's how I opened most packages, in fact.) But my nails have become brittle in recent years.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (7zeA4)
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prenatal vitamins
I'd be interested in anything that strengthens nails. I'm a classical guitarist, and I used to be able to rip through cardboard with my nails. (It's how I opened most packages, in fact.) But my nails have become brittle in recent years.
Posted by: moviegique at July 25, 2016 06:48 PM (7zeA4)
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prenatal vitamins
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 10:54 PM (CmpB+)
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I found a good way to get magnesium in an appropriate form by mixing milk of magnesia with seltzer water:
http://tinyurl.com/h4nvcuu
I can attest to reduced muscle cramps after I started drinking about 6 oz of this daily. It's apparently better than pill supplements.
http://tinyurl.com/h4nvcuu
I can attest to reduced muscle cramps after I started drinking about 6 oz of this daily. It's apparently better than pill supplements.
Posted by: Arnie Fufkin at July 25, 2016 10:59 PM (JUHfN)
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Keep after him, Stace.
If you could only do one exercise in the gym for the rest of your life, that exercise should be squats. It's the best all-around exercise there is.
Start hubby off with Goblet squats...he can do it.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:23 PM (yxupc)
Thanks for the encouragement. That means a lot. I need to get him going on that.
If you could only do one exercise in the gym for the rest of your life, that exercise should be squats. It's the best all-around exercise there is.
Start hubby off with Goblet squats...he can do it.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 25, 2016 09:23 PM (yxupc)
Thanks for the encouragement. That means a lot. I need to get him going on that.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:05 PM (ozZau)
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just what you'd guess - they knick a neck vein of the cow and fill a glass with it.
I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Mongols did this with their horses.
I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Mongols did this with their horses.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 11:06 PM (CmpB+)
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Re: bone broth.
If you have a pressure canner or pressure cooker, you can get good hearty bone broth in about 2 hours instead of cooking it all day. I was doing 6-8 hours, then pulling the broth out as well as the meat and vegetables, then putting the bones back in with more water and cooking slowly for another 6-8 hours. I have a Presto Pressure Canner and can do all that in an afternoon now.
If you have a pressure canner or pressure cooker, you can get good hearty bone broth in about 2 hours instead of cooking it all day. I was doing 6-8 hours, then pulling the broth out as well as the meat and vegetables, then putting the bones back in with more water and cooking slowly for another 6-8 hours. I have a Presto Pressure Canner and can do all that in an afternoon now.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 11:10 PM (CmpB+)
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just what you'd guess - they knick a neck vein of the cow and fill a glass with it.
I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Mongols did this with their horses.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 11:06 PM (CmpB+)
I've never sampled their blood as a meal, but i do know that their jugular veins are ridiculously accessible. Put a thumb on it, and the vein is there for any dufous to access.
I first saw it on Survivor: Africa. They mix the blood with the milk and drink. It lets them have the benefit of both meat, milk, and a still-living cow.
Posted by: ace at July 25, 2016 07:34 PM (dciA+)
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Mongols did this with their horses.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 11:06 PM (CmpB+)
I've never sampled their blood as a meal, but i do know that their jugular veins are ridiculously accessible. Put a thumb on it, and the vein is there for any dufous to access.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:12 PM (ozZau)
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Posted by: KraKat at July 25, 2016 08:15 PM (8OK44)
oops, sorry, didn't see your Instant Pot post.
oops, sorry, didn't see your Instant Pot post.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 11:14 PM (CmpB+)
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Hmm, seems like I have willowed the post. My stats:
38 year old 5'5" woman with PCOS and history of infertility. Earlier this year I got down to 220 and could not budge. I could not eat less and I could not work out more. I gave up and got back up to 245 as of today.
Had some measurements from March, so I compared them to this morning. Seems that all 25 of those pounds went to my stomach area. Yeah.
Low carbing and will be using coconut oil / extra light olive oil mid morning and mid afternoon to help get more fat. With a glass of water right after, this helps cut cravings.
38 year old 5'5" woman with PCOS and history of infertility. Earlier this year I got down to 220 and could not budge. I could not eat less and I could not work out more. I gave up and got back up to 245 as of today.
Had some measurements from March, so I compared them to this morning. Seems that all 25 of those pounds went to my stomach area. Yeah.
Low carbing and will be using coconut oil / extra light olive oil mid morning and mid afternoon to help get more fat. With a glass of water right after, this helps cut cravings.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at July 25, 2016 11:21 PM (CmpB+)
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"Thanks for the encouragement. That means a lot. I need to get him going on that.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:05 PM (ozZau) "
Perhaps entice him with an actual jeweled medieval goblet as a reward if he starts doing goblet squats often enough and shreds pounds/adds strength and muscle mass because of it.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:05 PM (ozZau) "
Perhaps entice him with an actual jeweled medieval goblet as a reward if he starts doing goblet squats often enough and shreds pounds/adds strength and muscle mass because of it.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 25, 2016 11:26 PM (kumBu)
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I'll second the resistant starch thing. Been using it for six months now - raw unmodified potato starch. For me at least, it proves the theory of the gut-brain axis. Increases REM sleep. I went from rarely dreaming to wild, vivid evenings. Like sharing an intimate moment with Liz Hurley and then in walks my dead father, David Letterman and a Bear on roller skates with a funny hat.
Posted by: Desmondo at July 26, 2016 12:26 AM (zsQy2)
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Desmondo wrote: "I'll second the resistant starch thing. Been using it for six months now - raw unmodified potato starch. For me at least, it proves the theory of the gut-brain axis. Increases REM sleep. I went from rarely dreaming to wild, vivid evenings...."
Are you doing a bit of potato starch all day, or just in the evening? The various directions out there for taking resistant starches/fermentable fiber/pre-biotics had indicated spread this throughout the day. So I was sort of obliged to add it to the only thing I eat before noon...the pre-existing slug of "Bulletproof" like fatty coffee I have been depending on for a few years now.
Second shot of it is with a just-before-bed amino acid powder combo I concocted about a year, interpolating between various capsule formulas that hit the market back then. That amino acid combo(*) improved my chances of sleeping through the night without trouble, without notable effects like recalling vivid dreams(even if maybe had some). Now, adding the Inulin and potato starch to that slurry also does nothing I am able to know of to dreams. What does reliably yield me recall of vivid dreams is eating a bit dark chocolate or cocoa powder in the afternoon or anytime after that... Which dreams are cool sometimes...however I thought I knew that such recall of dreams meant you've rapidly awoken from them, i.e. not great sleep quality if that is happening much. So I stay away from much chocolate/cocoa later in the day and particularly at night, on that theory.
The goal of some of this has been...was anyway... for me to sleep better, and produce HGH better, at night. The amino acids are supposed to help with both that and blood vessel wall health. Getting insulin down well before sleep is also meant to help boost HGH production in sleep...and the results of doing that have been SPECTACULAR improvement in my ability to sleep straight through the evenings. Who knows if it is helping HGH though.
Are you doing a bit of potato starch all day, or just in the evening? The various directions out there for taking resistant starches/fermentable fiber/pre-biotics had indicated spread this throughout the day. So I was sort of obliged to add it to the only thing I eat before noon...the pre-existing slug of "Bulletproof" like fatty coffee I have been depending on for a few years now.
Second shot of it is with a just-before-bed amino acid powder combo I concocted about a year, interpolating between various capsule formulas that hit the market back then. That amino acid combo(*) improved my chances of sleeping through the night without trouble, without notable effects like recalling vivid dreams(even if maybe had some). Now, adding the Inulin and potato starch to that slurry also does nothing I am able to know of to dreams. What does reliably yield me recall of vivid dreams is eating a bit dark chocolate or cocoa powder in the afternoon or anytime after that... Which dreams are cool sometimes...however I thought I knew that such recall of dreams meant you've rapidly awoken from them, i.e. not great sleep quality if that is happening much. So I stay away from much chocolate/cocoa later in the day and particularly at night, on that theory.
The goal of some of this has been...was anyway... for me to sleep better, and produce HGH better, at night. The amino acids are supposed to help with both that and blood vessel wall health. Getting insulin down well before sleep is also meant to help boost HGH production in sleep...and the results of doing that have been SPECTACULAR improvement in my ability to sleep straight through the evenings. Who knows if it is helping HGH though.
Posted by: Quantum of Bollocks at July 26, 2016 01:19 AM (yWb+Q)
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You don't want to be eating cinnamon as a dietary supplement unless it's actual Sri Lankan cinnamon.
Cassia, which is usually labeled and sold as cinnamon, contains high amounts of coumarin which will eff up your liver if consumed in large amounts.
Furthermore, since cassia is so much cheaper, people often try to pass it off as real cinnamon, and you can't really tell the difference visually if it's ground. In stick form, real cinnamon will show a thinner, feathery edge on the ends as compared to cassia.
{end amateur apothecary/spice snob rant}
Cassia, which is usually labeled and sold as cinnamon, contains high amounts of coumarin which will eff up your liver if consumed in large amounts.
Furthermore, since cassia is so much cheaper, people often try to pass it off as real cinnamon, and you can't really tell the difference visually if it's ground. In stick form, real cinnamon will show a thinner, feathery edge on the ends as compared to cassia.
{end amateur apothecary/spice snob rant}
Posted by: Geoarrge at July 26, 2016 02:57 AM (hR4gg)
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Posted by: cthulhu at July 26, 2016 03:07 AM (EzgxV)
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For people who think stevia has an "off" taste:
Combine two or three different kinds, and then add a half pinch of good salt (say, Himalayan pink salt, or Celtic sea salt) to whatever your making. Smoothes out the taste.
Also, be sure to look at the stevia ingredients. If it includes dextrose, understand that the dextrose will induce the insulin response. Many of the low-price Stevias in the grocery stores include dextrose.
If you can get past the rambling writing, the book "Trim Healthy Mama" gives a terrific survey of eating to lose weight and get healthy. It explains the research and the why's and how's. And yes, my masculine husband is reading the book, we're both following the plan. Awesome weight loss, chronic pain going away by lessening the chronic inflammation, burping gone, flatulence almost non-existent. . .
Combine two or three different kinds, and then add a half pinch of good salt (say, Himalayan pink salt, or Celtic sea salt) to whatever your making. Smoothes out the taste.
Also, be sure to look at the stevia ingredients. If it includes dextrose, understand that the dextrose will induce the insulin response. Many of the low-price Stevias in the grocery stores include dextrose.
If you can get past the rambling writing, the book "Trim Healthy Mama" gives a terrific survey of eating to lose weight and get healthy. It explains the research and the why's and how's. And yes, my masculine husband is reading the book, we're both following the plan. Awesome weight loss, chronic pain going away by lessening the chronic inflammation, burping gone, flatulence almost non-existent. . .
Posted by: Flyover at July 26, 2016 03:23 AM (ZHm8z)
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BTW, I love bulletproof coffee. All the good fats!
Posted by: Flyover at July 26, 2016 03:24 AM (ZHm8z)
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Can anyone recommend a low carb bread substitute with the "mouth-feel" of bread? Extra points if it can be used in the same way as bread to make a sammich. Posted by: Minuteman
Why not cut your bread consumption in half the easy way? Over the course of a year that adds up tremendously.
Gather all your lunchmeats. Take a single slice of bread and place on plate. Add your meat and cheese, same as usual. Cut sandwich in half. Place one half over other half.
I've been doing this for ages. You get all the taste and texture of a sandwich, but you've cut bread consumption in half. Sandwich tastes just as good, if not better.
I'd imagine a loaf of bread weighs two pounds. If you go from consuming one loaf of bread per week to one half loaf, you're consuming about twenty-six less pounds of bread per year.
Why not cut your bread consumption in half the easy way? Over the course of a year that adds up tremendously.
Gather all your lunchmeats. Take a single slice of bread and place on plate. Add your meat and cheese, same as usual. Cut sandwich in half. Place one half over other half.
I've been doing this for ages. You get all the taste and texture of a sandwich, but you've cut bread consumption in half. Sandwich tastes just as good, if not better.
I'd imagine a loaf of bread weighs two pounds. If you go from consuming one loaf of bread per week to one half loaf, you're consuming about twenty-six less pounds of bread per year.
Posted by: free range conservative at July 26, 2016 06:28 AM (ZnIt3)
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I was at 185 with a goal of getting to 170. Started IF/low-carb 2 weeks ago but couldn't exercise due to back strain. Lost 2 pounds in week 1. Lost 0 pounds in week 2. Just resumed lifting with some cardio. Hoping for another measurable loss in week 3. But the no result for this past week sucked.
Posted by: Benedick at July 26, 2016 08:54 AM (ps+cq)
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You are probably not intermittent fasting if you break your fast with BPC in the morning. It has zero to dobqith insulin and everything to do with calories.
LCHF diet reduces insulin response, but IF works regardless of type of diet. The benefits of IF are amazing BTW - try it for yourself!
LCHF diet reduces insulin response, but IF works regardless of type of diet. The benefits of IF are amazing BTW - try it for yourself!
Posted by: Underdown at July 26, 2016 10:24 AM (ZeaRV)
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"For people who think stevia has an "off" taste:
Combine two or three different kinds, and then add a half pinch of good salt (say, Himalayan pink salt, or Celtic sea salt) to whatever your making. Smoothes out the taste."
That's interesting. I just finished induction - 14 days - on Atkins and I guzzled generic diet cola and used generic sweeteners - so the cheap crap - and lost 10 lbs.
I'm female and I know water weight issues but I've not had any problems with the sweetener issue.
You've got to be diligent in counting your carbs and then Atkins works.
This is my second phase of Atkins. I lost the bulk of the weight I wanted to lose last year. This is my attempt to get to my perfect ideal weight.
Atkins - Low carb/High fat works because you can only eat so much fat and protein. I'm not hungry in the least and so calorie count does drop off.
TIPS -
Plan ahead. Test out meals that you like before you start the actual program.
Start at lunch time on your first day. Meaning have carbs for breakfast - an early breakfast. That way you avoid the - carb flu headaches. You are asleep for the switch over the next day.
Combine two or three different kinds, and then add a half pinch of good salt (say, Himalayan pink salt, or Celtic sea salt) to whatever your making. Smoothes out the taste."
That's interesting. I just finished induction - 14 days - on Atkins and I guzzled generic diet cola and used generic sweeteners - so the cheap crap - and lost 10 lbs.
I'm female and I know water weight issues but I've not had any problems with the sweetener issue.
You've got to be diligent in counting your carbs and then Atkins works.
This is my second phase of Atkins. I lost the bulk of the weight I wanted to lose last year. This is my attempt to get to my perfect ideal weight.
Atkins - Low carb/High fat works because you can only eat so much fat and protein. I'm not hungry in the least and so calorie count does drop off.
TIPS -
Plan ahead. Test out meals that you like before you start the actual program.
Start at lunch time on your first day. Meaning have carbs for breakfast - an early breakfast. That way you avoid the - carb flu headaches. You are asleep for the switch over the next day.
Posted by: Sweet Atkins Diet treat at July 26, 2016 12:16 PM (7Txj/)
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@Posted by: Minuteman at July 25, 2016 05:18 PM (A3b6q)
Try this recipe for a nice firm bread. Spread the batter thin using a rubber spatula if possible. I make this all the time:
http://tinyurl.com/cw84z8o
Try this recipe for a nice firm bread. Spread the batter thin using a rubber spatula if possible. I make this all the time:
http://tinyurl.com/cw84z8o
Posted by: Arnie Fufkin at July 26, 2016 11:00 PM (JUHfN)
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