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Trump Takes the Lead in Two Post-Convention Polls
The bounce is back. Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.Morning Consult:
In the national poll, conducted from July 22 through July 24, Donald Trump pulls ahead of Hillary Clinton by 4 points, a sizeable swing from the past week, when the former secretary of State was clinging to a 2-point lead. In a three-candidate scenario including former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee pulls in 10 percent of the vote, and Trump still leads Clinton by 4 points.It's a popular thing among NeverTrumps to disclaim any responsibility in this election by saying "Trump is doomed anyway." It's a comforting way to evade making any hard choices. I know, because I said it myself four months ago when I said I wasn't going to say anything to help Trump, because he was doomed anyway, and I might as well keep my virtue. But he could win. I still think he's disfavored to win (though I'm less confident of that now), but this idea that NeverTrumpers are enamored with -- that opposing Trump is an absolutely free choice with no downside consequences whatsoever -- appears to be a bunch of babytalk. That doesn't mean anyone is obligated to help a man he or she considers unfit for office and a bad person besides. But the various Twitter-generated slogans exist to arrest thought, not spur it. This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously, not simply by stringing together a series of Twitter argumentative memes that substitute for thought.
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We now return you to your regularly-scheduled internecine war.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (/wm8n)
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wha?
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (vGhPp)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (qCMvj)
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>> It's a popular thing among NeverTrumps to disclaim any responsibility in this election by saying "Trump is doomed anyway."
Or you could go the "Trump is no better than Hillary route." I'm not going to go that route, but you know what they say about the devil you know versus the devil the don't know.
Or you could go the "Trump is no better than Hillary route." I'm not going to go that route, but you know what they say about the devil you know versus the devil the don't know.
Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (bMcUX)
Posted by: Ted Cruz at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (/wm8n)
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Ace, looking forward to the health thread today. It's today's antidote to politics and much needed.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (sdxbz)
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Cue the preening #NeverTrumpers...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (/wm8n)
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Johnson/Weld -16
Posted by: Derptastic at July 25, 2016 11:40 AM (b8jcS)
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Weren't these polls taken before the Wikileaks mail dump?
Posted by: Decaf at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (dRz86)
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What would the poll results be if Cake Girl was added?
Posted by: Furious George at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (57K5j)
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The place smells like shit.
Oh, Hillary's plane just landed.
Something tells me her reception at the VFW convention here in CLT is not going to be too polite.
Here's hoping. Don't worry media won't show the booing.
Oh, Hillary's plane just landed.
Something tells me her reception at the VFW convention here in CLT is not going to be too polite.
Here's hoping. Don't worry media won't show the booing.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (F1iXz)
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It's a slightly smaller than large lead.
Posted by: D. Trump at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (H9MG5)
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Web Hubble and Hillary discussed her Pregnancy:
Web: "And if you think I want to see my face on a girl, you have another think coming. Find somebody with an unbent clothes hanger."
Head Bobbing Hillary: "No, I want Bill to know he isn't the only one with a Wanda Lust in this family."
Web: "And if you think I want to see my face on a girl, you have another think coming. Find somebody with an unbent clothes hanger."
Head Bobbing Hillary: "No, I want Bill to know he isn't the only one with a Wanda Lust in this family."
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (vGhPp)
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If Trump really wants to MAGA he would have the entire Congress arrested after he's sworn in.
Maybe release a small handful after that.
Then send federal agents in to shutdown all major network "news" stations. Remove them from the air.
Discuss.
Maybe release a small handful after that.
Then send federal agents in to shutdown all major network "news" stations. Remove them from the air.
Discuss.
Posted by: artist at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (TwnkX)
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I have said he is not my first choice, but in November when I see Hillary on one line and Trump on the other. I know who I am choosing. Hint not the career politician.
Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (oInnZ)
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I don't believe this poll any more than the other polls. They're all push polls at this point. Why do the pollsters want Democrat voters to think the race is tight?
Posted by: Skeptical at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (Pl1FV)
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Jill Stein? Wasn't she one of Charlie's Angels?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (/wm8n)
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Was watching Fox coverage of the DNC last night. I need to look it up myself, but Stephen Hayes indicated there was some discussion in the hacked e-mails about how the famous picture of Cruz's dad with Oswald might actually be legit. You have to wonder if the Dems might not have used it as an October surprise had Cruz won the primary.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (rvzMR)
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (F1iXz)
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What surprises me is that there that many yellow dog Democrats and blacks who are supporting Scankles.
For those who are unfamiliar with the term "yellow dog Democrats" it is a Southern saying meaning one who would vote for a "yellow dog" as long as it had a "D" after its name.
For those who are unfamiliar with the term "yellow dog Democrats" it is a Southern saying meaning one who would vote for a "yellow dog" as long as it had a "D" after its name.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (mpXpK)
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This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously
Trump is a deeply flawed candidate and I have serious reservations about a Trump presidency.
But Hillary is worse and must not be allowed to be leader of the free world.
I know what I have to do. Not judging anyone else's moral compasses whatsoever. But mine tells me I have to do the one thing I can do to stop Hillary, and that is to vote Trump.
Trump is a deeply flawed candidate and I have serious reservations about a Trump presidency.
But Hillary is worse and must not be allowed to be leader of the free world.
I know what I have to do. Not judging anyone else's moral compasses whatsoever. But mine tells me I have to do the one thing I can do to stop Hillary, and that is to vote Trump.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (s/EUv)
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To me, neverTrumper's are the Blues Brothers analogue. They are on a mission. A mission of righteousness. They are the righteous conservatives who, though death may overtake them, will remain loyal to their righteous quest.
They have another analogue. One that was birthed here by Ace - The Noble Lie. In my mind just as irrational and every bit as insidious. But hey - righteousness is its own reward - evidently.
They have another analogue. One that was birthed here by Ace - The Noble Lie. In my mind just as irrational and every bit as insidious. But hey - righteousness is its own reward - evidently.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (4ng05)
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Some of us anti-Trumpers have said all along he would win.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (gmeXX)
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If NeverTrumpers want to do something constructive, start working on building a candidate to take down president Trump in 2020.
President Hillary would be the end of the republic in any real sense.
The R party ran liberals in 2008 and 2012 and most conservatives voted for them (against my advice in 2012), why should Trump be different? Because he won't set out to lose "with honor"?
President Hillary would be the end of the republic in any real sense.
The R party ran liberals in 2008 and 2012 and most conservatives voted for them (against my advice in 2012), why should Trump be different? Because he won't set out to lose "with honor"?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (X7E8f)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (zwQ7i)
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It's easy to mistake elation at the prospect of a defeat for Hillary with enthusiasm for Trump. I'm definitely door #1.
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (3e8zv)
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Hillary is sure to win back voters with her warmth and endless accomplishments.
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 25, 2016 11:45 AM (TJCSB)
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For those who are unfamiliar with the term "yellow dog Democrats" it is a Southern saying meaning one who would vote for a "yellow dog" as long as it had a "D" after its name.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
__________
If we only had that option on the ballot this year . . .
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
__________
If we only had that option on the ballot this year . . .
Posted by: Furious George at July 25, 2016 11:45 AM (57K5j)
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I refuse to let the lingering hope push its way back to the front. Clinton is weak, is not trusted and is essentially a non-indicated criminal. Yet, we nominated Trump. Jesus Christ. We're going to put another Clinton in the White House because the Republican Establishment believes their own bullshit and treated the base like crap.
I'll be voting down ballot all the way, but I'm leaning toward Bill the Cat as a write in. (Opus for VP!!!)
I'll be voting down ballot all the way, but I'm leaning toward Bill the Cat as a write in. (Opus for VP!!!)
Posted by: nodakdrunkhobos at July 25, 2016 11:45 AM (cC95d)
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I'd have to suspect that satisfaction with Hillary has to be going even lower after the DNC emails became public.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 11:45 AM (nIGPZ)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:45 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:46 AM (zOTsN)
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This election is way too weird for any predictions to be made. Trump is not a professional politician, he comes from a different world, has not worked his way around the rubber chicken dinner circuit for decades, and he is the Republican nominee.
Hillary Clinton' has been in and around politics for decades but has accomplished nothing politically on her own, has the charisma of a brick to the face, and has a high probability of being compromised to foreign governments.
What the voters will do is anyone's guess.
Hillary Clinton' has been in and around politics for decades but has accomplished nothing politically on her own, has the charisma of a brick to the face, and has a high probability of being compromised to foreign governments.
What the voters will do is anyone's guess.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Matenloch Brand Brain Bleach with Caustic Foaming Action at the Outrage Outlet! at July 25, 2016 11:46 AM (hLRSq)
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At the end of this week will Hillary have a bounce or a "Dead Cat Bounce?"
Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (oInnZ)
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Hillary is sure to win back voters with her warmth and endless accomplishments.
Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
Hillary is sure to win back voters with her warmth and endless accomplishments.
Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (3e8zv)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (zOTsN)
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Hillary is speaking right now and losing votes with each word...
It's been shown that Hillary's numbers decline the more people are exposed to her.
It's been shown that Hillary's numbers decline the more people are exposed to her.
Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (Zs4uk)
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Don't worry we already have the poll results ready for after the Democrat Convention. Historic First double digit bounce.
-Legacy Media
-Legacy Media
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (39g3+)
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the Republican Establishment believes their own bullshit and treated the base like crap.
***
And one thing we need to get a handle on is how to punish the GOPe leadership.
They hate us and more importantly they do not fear us.
I wonder if someone get talk to Trump about Glenn Reynold's revolving door tax...if Trump wins that is....
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And one thing we need to get a handle on is how to punish the GOPe leadership.
They hate us and more importantly they do not fear us.
I wonder if someone get talk to Trump about Glenn Reynold's revolving door tax...if Trump wins that is....
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (X7E8f)
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She is now talking about her Syria policy
Not mentioning her Libya policy
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:46 AM (zOTsN)
Much like how you won't find the Titanic in any of our brochures.
Not mentioning her Libya policy
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:46 AM (zOTsN)
Much like how you won't find the Titanic in any of our brochures.
Posted by: The White Star Line at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (/wm8n)
Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (Fmupd)
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Some of us anti-Trumpers have said all along he would win.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (gmeXX)
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**THROWS MUTIPLE FLAGS AND THE HAT.
Holy shit. Goal posts moved to beyond visual range.
15 yards for unsportmanlike conduct
15 yards for illegal formatiom
15 minute game misconduct penalty while we're at it.
Plus four freethrows.
Now you've just off the damn rails.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (gmeXX)
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**THROWS MUTIPLE FLAGS AND THE HAT.
Holy shit. Goal posts moved to beyond visual range.
15 yards for unsportmanlike conduct
15 yards for illegal formatiom
15 minute game misconduct penalty while we're at it.
Plus four freethrows.
Now you've just off the damn rails.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (8XRCm)
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"To me, neverTrumper's are the Blues Brothers analogue."
Right down to the enormous pile of wrecked cars.
Right down to the enormous pile of wrecked cars.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (noWW6)
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21 This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously
Trump is a deeply flawed candidate and I have serious reservations about a Trump presidency.
But Hillary is worse and must not be allowed to be leader of the free world.
I know what I have to do. Not judging anyone else's moral compasses whatsoever. But mine tells me I have to do the one thing I can do to stop Hillary, and that is to vote Trump.
FWIW I feel like McConnell and Ryan (unless he's primaried) will push back a heck of a lot more against a Trump admin than they would HRC. In that sense gridlock is good.
Trump is a deeply flawed candidate and I have serious reservations about a Trump presidency.
But Hillary is worse and must not be allowed to be leader of the free world.
I know what I have to do. Not judging anyone else's moral compasses whatsoever. But mine tells me I have to do the one thing I can do to stop Hillary, and that is to vote Trump.
FWIW I feel like McConnell and Ryan (unless he's primaried) will push back a heck of a lot more against a Trump admin than they would HRC. In that sense gridlock is good.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (rvzMR)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (zOTsN)
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Trump says boneheaded things, has the tendency to veer off tangent (but perhaps that is part of his appeal?) but as far as I can tell, is frank about the dismal state of affairs in this country and around the world. There is no sugar coating it for rational adult voters anyway and I do appreciate someone who actually comes out and says it.
Posted by: IC at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (a0IVu)
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Or you could go the "Trump is no better than Hillary route." I'm not going to go that route, but you know what they say about the devil you know versus the devil the don't know.
The devil we don't know - Trump - Don't know
The Devil we DO know - Hillary - Disastrous
Yeah. Go the devil you know route.
The devil we don't know - Trump - Don't know
The Devil we DO know - Hillary - Disastrous
Yeah. Go the devil you know route.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (4Hf9E)
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I've said before and will stick with my prediction...Trump carries 41 states.
The media will excoriate him and after a rough first year, he will be come a decent president.
The media will excoriate him and after a rough first year, he will be come a decent president.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (r65B3)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (zOTsN)
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Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
JT Marlin upgrades the Peerless Turd Polish Co. to STRONG BUY
JT Marlin upgrades the Peerless Turd Polish Co. to STRONG BUY
Posted by: JT Marlin at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (/wm8n)
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I'd have to suspect that satisfaction with Hillary has to be going even lower after the DNC emails became public.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
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Emails?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
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Emails?
Posted by: LIV at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (9mTYi)
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I just saw a theory that the DNC leak was actually orchestrated by disgruntled members of our own intelligence community.
They can't leak what was on Hillary's servers without endangering national security but they could safely leak DNC emails.
They can't leak what was on Hillary's servers without endangering national security but they could safely leak DNC emails.
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (7lVbc)
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Look, if you're not a NeverHillary then you're probably just punching the clown in the heat of day hoping Kate Upton shows up with a pitcher of margaritas and astroglide.
Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (WYh6/)
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There really isn't much to consider.
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
There is no set of circumstances or events that would make me not vote for Trump.
We can survive Trump, and we may be able to effect change through him, we will not with the FAB in the Oval Office.
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
There is no set of circumstances or events that would make me not vote for Trump.
We can survive Trump, and we may be able to effect change through him, we will not with the FAB in the Oval Office.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (gEpjt)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (zOTsN)
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Voting for Trump in 2016 will be much easier than voting against Obama in 2008 & 2012...
Posted by: Taqyia2Me at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (sJuKe)
Posted by: In before the troll at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (T6P0y)
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Trump/Pence 2016. Seriously chosen, because Clinton/ Kaine.
Well put, Ace.
Well put, Ace.
Posted by: tubal at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (d6TTt)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (0mRoj)
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The devil we don't know - Trump - Don't know
The Devil we DO know - Hillary - Disastrous
***
Trump's worst case scenario is he is as bad as Hillary and has an R by his name when things fall apart.
Trump's best case scenario is he actually breaks up the DC Uniparty.
That's a lot of potential upside with frankly little risk....considering his opponent.
The Devil we DO know - Hillary - Disastrous
***
Trump's worst case scenario is he is as bad as Hillary and has an R by his name when things fall apart.
Trump's best case scenario is he actually breaks up the DC Uniparty.
That's a lot of potential upside with frankly little risk....considering his opponent.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (X7E8f)
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Ace, looking forward to the health thread today. It's today's antidote to politics and much needed.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (sdxbz)
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Ditto.
Ace, looking forward to the health thread today. It's today's antidote to politics and much needed.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (sdxbz)
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Ditto.
Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (pC96u)
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Anything with the slightest whiff of #TrumpIGuess brings all the #NeverTrump variations right out of the woodwork.
I am a special snowflake, so I will be promoting an even purer, even more principled position of #AlwaysGilmore.
I am a special snowflake, so I will be promoting an even purer, even more principled position of #AlwaysGilmore.
Posted by: fightwinger at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (AMKhy)
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She has confidence and optimism and doesn't understand people who trash America
Looking for big applause line
Going Full Otter
She has confidence and optimism and doesn't understand people who trash America
Looking for big applause line
Going Full Otter
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (zOTsN)
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And I truly cannot, cannot stomach the idea of listening to Hillary screech for the next 4 years, and her dumb ass VP habla espanol welcoming all the illegals and the increase in domestic terrorism in this country.
Posted by: IC at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (a0IVu)
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>>Kate Upton shows up with a pitcher of margaritas and astroglide. Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (WYh6/)
Cut, jib, etc.
Cut, jib, etc.
Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (Bdeb0)
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Kreplach @ 54 Hillary Clinton is an Extinction Level Event
- - - -
Well said!
I really worry if the Republic can survive if she wins.
- - - -
Well said!
I really worry if the Republic can survive if she wins.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (r65B3)
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Ah, Nate Silver, the man who predicted a half dozen times already this election that Trump was doomed and would lose. But he's right this time!
Its like a fortune teller that gives you ten predictions, one of which comes sorta true and people think its all eerie and supernatural.
Its like a fortune teller that gives you ten predictions, one of which comes sorta true and people think its all eerie and supernatural.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (39g3+)
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Anyone else remember the nice fat post-Palin, post-convention bounce that John McCain enjoyed? And then had it all slip through his fingers thanks largely to his own clumsiness.
A couple of gaffes from Trump going off message again, trumpeted loudly by the Democratic operatives with bylines who masquerade as a press corps, and it's back to being Hillary's race to lose.
A couple of gaffes from Trump going off message again, trumpeted loudly by the Democratic operatives with bylines who masquerade as a press corps, and it's back to being Hillary's race to lose.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (noWW6)
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Some of us anti-Trumpers have said all along he would win.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (gmeXX)
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**THROWS MUTIPLE FLAGS AND THE HAT.
Holy shit. Goal posts moved to beyond visual range.
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I think I have said all along that he would win. I've said for the pasts 2 years that the GOP nominee would win - whoever (even Trump) - but other than Jeb.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (gmeXX)
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**THROWS MUTIPLE FLAGS AND THE HAT.
Holy shit. Goal posts moved to beyond visual range.
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I think I have said all along that he would win. I've said for the pasts 2 years that the GOP nominee would win - whoever (even Trump) - but other than Jeb.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (gmeXX)
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At this time in the process, #NeverTrumpers are like evangelical atheists. I don't understand what makes either of them tick. Believe whatever you want, but what is the point of working so hard to sell your position to anyone else?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (/wm8n)
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Anti-Trumpers are the Knights Templar of conservatism.
Tales will be written. Songs will be sung. Maidens will faint away at their bravery in pursuit of their holy quest.
Tales will be written. Songs will be sung. Maidens will faint away at their bravery in pursuit of their holy quest.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (4ng05)
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At the end of this week will Hillary have a bounce or a "Dead Cat Bounce?"
Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (oInnZ)
That's just her pooter smell.
At the end of this week will Hillary have a bounce or a "Dead Cat Bounce?"
Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (oInnZ)
That's just her pooter smell.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (T6P0y)
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She is running to the right?
She cooperates with republicans she says
America is great she says
She won't let people trash America she says
She is running to the right
That is interesting. She is dumping the Bernie bots. Outright
She has gone Full Otter
She is running to the right?
She cooperates with republicans she says
America is great she says
She won't let people trash America she says
She is running to the right
That is interesting. She is dumping the Bernie bots. Outright
She has gone Full Otter
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (zOTsN)
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This certainly seems to be a low-keyed reaction to Trump moving ahead in the polls despite Hillary spending tens of millions in negative advertising.
Considering the intensity of the whining we Trump supporters heard in the early days when Hillary was polling 20 points ahead, I would think the level of amazement would be higher.
Considering the intensity of the whining we Trump supporters heard in the early days when Hillary was polling 20 points ahead, I would think the level of amazement would be higher.
Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (Zs4uk)
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With the Shrillster we'd go from having a passive-aggressive lying bitch in the WH to a nagging and aggressive bitch.
With the Shrillster we'd go from having a passive-aggressive lying bitch in the WH to a nagging and aggressive bitch.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (8XRCm)
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I just saw a theory that the DNC leak was actually orchestrated by disgruntled members of our own intelligence community.
***
If so that is pretty weak tea.
Hillary was selling out her office from the moment she was elected Senator. If the NSA types want to bring her down, and are willing to pay the price, I have no doubt they could.
I just saw a theory that the DNC leak was actually orchestrated by disgruntled members of our own intelligence community.
***
If so that is pretty weak tea.
Hillary was selling out her office from the moment she was elected Senator. If the NSA types want to bring her down, and are willing to pay the price, I have no doubt they could.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (X7E8f)
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Trump needs to make an ad that splices together Hillary's weird seizure thing and her barking like a dog.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (0mRoj)
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Anti-Trumpers are the Knights Templar of conservatism.
Tales will be written. Songs will be sung. Maidens will faint away at their bravery in pursuit of their holy quest.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (4ng05)
And they'll appear on Ancient Aliens sometime in the future.
Anti-Trumpers are the Knights Templar of conservatism.
Tales will be written. Songs will be sung. Maidens will faint away at their bravery in pursuit of their holy quest.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (4ng05)
And they'll appear on Ancient Aliens sometime in the future.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (Enq6K)
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She is now throwing sugar at the VFW. Lots of treats in the goody bag
But
She is running to the right. Isn't that interesting.
But
She is running to the right. Isn't that interesting.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (zOTsN)
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I just saw a theory that the DNC leak was actually orchestrated by disgruntled members of our own intelligence community.
That actually strikes me as more plausible than the "Russians did it!" DNC claim.
That actually strikes me as more plausible than the "Russians did it!" DNC claim.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (39g3+)
82
She has no charisma. Absolutely none. She's got dead-fish eyes.
Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (Fmupd)
83
If Trump really wants to MAGA he would have the entire Congress arrested after he's sworn in.
Maybe release a small handful after that.
Then send federal agents in to shutdown all major network "news" stations. Remove them from the air.
Discuss.
Posted by: artist
I've long been on record as saying there's nothing wrong with DC a 30 megaton airburst couldn't fix.
Maybe release a small handful after that.
Then send federal agents in to shutdown all major network "news" stations. Remove them from the air.
Discuss.
Posted by: artist
I've long been on record as saying there's nothing wrong with DC a 30 megaton airburst couldn't fix.
Posted by: The Turkey Baster at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (9krrF)
84
If held today, Tang-ego would probably win. But, given the Media Industrial Complex's penchant for demonizing Republicans, I believe Hillary has a better than fifty percent chance of winning.
Posted by: Burning Times Low Quality Pizza at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (2X7pN)
85
She is a really hateful person. It must come from deep inside.
Posted by: Infidel at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (sOWvc)
86
Debbie Whatshername Shultz was booed off the stage at her own state's delegation meeting this morning.
Go over to Daily Kooks if you want to taste some sweet libtard tears being shed over DWS opening up the convention this afternoon.. which will be met with LOTS more boos!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Go over to Daily Kooks if you want to taste some sweet libtard tears being shed over DWS opening up the convention this afternoon.. which will be met with LOTS more boos!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (so+oy)
87
Reproductive aid on the cheap sock off.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (3e8zv)
89
Wait, which 'DOOM!!!' are we embracing today?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (nIGPZ)
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I think I have said all along that he would win.
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No you fucking didn't.
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I guarantee you you will not find one post of mine that ever said Trump would lose. That was never my reason for not supporting him. Now I realize that others have said he would, but I have consistently maintained that the GOP would win because Hillary is such a bad candidate.
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No you fucking didn't.
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I guarantee you you will not find one post of mine that ever said Trump would lose. That was never my reason for not supporting him. Now I realize that others have said he would, but I have consistently maintained that the GOP would win because Hillary is such a bad candidate.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
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These polls are really stacking up well for the MSMs planned future coverage.
Hell, even McLame got a bump coming out of his convention, mostly due to Sarah, so this shouldn't be a big suprise.
Except that it is Trump, whom everyone loves to hate.
Anyways, the narrative was always going to be "Rocky" because that is what it is every fucking cycle.
Big bad dominating evil unstoppable Repuglican vs. the Peoples Only hope, and when Hellary gets her convention bounce and closes the gap or resumes the lead, it'll be "Yayh for the little guy!"
Sure it is absolute bullshit, but we do love our Rocky stories.
Hell, even McLame got a bump coming out of his convention, mostly due to Sarah, so this shouldn't be a big suprise.
Except that it is Trump, whom everyone loves to hate.
Anyways, the narrative was always going to be "Rocky" because that is what it is every fucking cycle.
Big bad dominating evil unstoppable Repuglican vs. the Peoples Only hope, and when Hellary gets her convention bounce and closes the gap or resumes the lead, it'll be "Yayh for the little guy!"
Sure it is absolute bullshit, but we do love our Rocky stories.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (kKHcp)
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73 Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (zOTsN)
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Incredibly enough, it is not much of a stretch to suggest that we are 3+ months away from a world in which George Will is voting for the Democratic candidate and Susan Sarandon is voting for the Republican candidate.
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Incredibly enough, it is not much of a stretch to suggest that we are 3+ months away from a world in which George Will is voting for the Democratic candidate and Susan Sarandon is voting for the Republican candidate.
Posted by: fightwinger at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (AMKhy)
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America is great she says
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If Hillary runs a "America is already great enough" campaign she'll lose. It will be 1980 all over again...
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If Hillary runs a "America is already great enough" campaign she'll lose. It will be 1980 all over again...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (X7E8f)
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Right down to the enormous pile of wrecked cars.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (noWW6)
The guy in the car, they're in their girl scout inspired, uniforms, he looks over at the leader, "I've always loved you."
Yes - that.
Right down to the enormous pile of wrecked cars.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:48 AM (noWW6)
The guy in the car, they're in their girl scout inspired, uniforms, he looks over at the leader, "I've always loved you."
Yes - that.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (4ng05)
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As for Republicans sitting out the elections I still maintain that it only makes a difference if the "sitters" are in one of those purple toss-up States. And after thinking about the so-called "down ticket" races I don't think it will impact them either unless it is really a purely local race and a toss-up. In which I really don't care what they are doing in Bumfck, North Dakota.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (mpXpK)
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So, I went over to NRO to see what kind of #NeverTrump shit they are spewing and I posted my "If you think Trump is just as bad as Hillary, there is nothing I can write to change you sick, twisted mind" comment.
Holy crap! I was dumped on (metaphorically). "No!. He's worse!"
I thought that I accidentally posted it at The New Republic.
Holy crap! I was dumped on (metaphorically). "No!. He's worse!"
I thought that I accidentally posted it at The New Republic.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (4+VII)
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She's running to the right.
Well, no surprise there. Every Clinton runs to the right when its convention time. Its total BS as we all a know, but that's the model.
Well, no surprise there. Every Clinton runs to the right when its convention time. Its total BS as we all a know, but that's the model.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (r65B3)
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Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (3e8zv)
Is she going to get three tries at it like she did her announcement that she is officially running for president?
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (3e8zv)
Is she going to get three tries at it like she did her announcement that she is officially running for president?
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (bMG0w)
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A businessman with a few bankruptcies, a couple of divorces and a reality tv show vs. a corrupt politician who has been exposed numerous times? I'll take the businessman.
I believe in the Constitution and the separation of powers. Trump has only spoken of acting within the laws we already have. Nothing to fear.
I believe in the Constitution and the separation of powers. Trump has only spoken of acting within the laws we already have. Nothing to fear.
Posted by: K-E at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (b+5gx)
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When does Bill Kristol quit screwing around and endorse Hillary?
Posted by: Meremortal at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (3myMJ)
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Look, let's just face it, this year more than ever DC is like Hollywood:
Nobody. Knows. Anything.
Nobody. Knows. Anything.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (9krrF)
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Holy crap! I was dumped on (metaphorically). "No!. He's worse!"
I thought that I accidentally posted it at The New Republic.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (4+VII)
Ask them how he is worse.
I thought that I accidentally posted it at The New Republic.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (4+VII)
Ask them how he is worse.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (Enq6K)
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And they'll appear on Ancient Aliens sometime in the future.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (Enq6K
That, or Funniest Home Videos.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (Enq6K
That, or Funniest Home Videos.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (4ng05)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (zOTsN)
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He could win, if he really hammers Hillary on her corrupt path to her nomination, and the way Sanders was shafted. And on TPP -- that's a big deal for most of the Sanders supporters (the 50% or so that can read, and know what TPP is.) Hillary's VEEP pick voted for TPP.
If he can dissuade, say, 20% of the Bernie Bros from voting at all, or voting third party, that would cost Hillary something like 7% of the total electorate. If he could get maybe 5% to vote Trump, that should be enough for him to win, with a comfortable enough cushion to cover the margin-of-fraud.
Personally, I give him...one chance in 5. Better than nothing.
If he can dissuade, say, 20% of the Bernie Bros from voting at all, or voting third party, that would cost Hillary something like 7% of the total electorate. If he could get maybe 5% to vote Trump, that should be enough for him to win, with a comfortable enough cushion to cover the margin-of-fraud.
Personally, I give him...one chance in 5. Better than nothing.
Posted by: Pastafarian at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (+EU58)
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Here is another reason to vote for Trump if you are still on the fence
I just put this in the last thread....
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If Hillary loses this election it will shatter the Democrat party into two camps, the same way 1968 hobbled the Democrat party at least in presidential elections. From 1968 to 1988 the Dems won once and it was against Ford who was coming off the Nixon scandal.
If you are conservative you have a chance to turn things around for another twenty years, not to mention the Supreme Court. It is also looking good for the GOP to hold the Senate.
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Add to that..
Think of the political grand strategic situation depending on if she wins or loses. Heck even Neo-Cons should think this over after she makes a mess of foreign intervention to the point where this country really might elect a Ron Paul type character on foreign policy at least (probably will be a prog with a hard isolationist stance).
I mean people obsess over Trump's finger on the button, but have you ever thought about Hillary with a couple of screws loose with the finger on the button. Trump is a property guy, he does not want see his properties get nuked!
I just put this in the last thread....
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If Hillary loses this election it will shatter the Democrat party into two camps, the same way 1968 hobbled the Democrat party at least in presidential elections. From 1968 to 1988 the Dems won once and it was against Ford who was coming off the Nixon scandal.
If you are conservative you have a chance to turn things around for another twenty years, not to mention the Supreme Court. It is also looking good for the GOP to hold the Senate.
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Add to that..
Think of the political grand strategic situation depending on if she wins or loses. Heck even Neo-Cons should think this over after she makes a mess of foreign intervention to the point where this country really might elect a Ron Paul type character on foreign policy at least (probably will be a prog with a hard isolationist stance).
I mean people obsess over Trump's finger on the button, but have you ever thought about Hillary with a couple of screws loose with the finger on the button. Trump is a property guy, he does not want see his properties get nuked!
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (KhJh8)
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I'm not a Trump guy (living in Rhode Island, it doesn't particularly matter), but the people actually surprised that this bounce is happening need to get out of the snarky twitter echo chamber and actually meet real life people. Holy cow is this absurd. If these people (including the #NeverTrumpers) don't know a single person who wants Trump or why they do, the problem is with them.
Posted by: SB at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (/cTY8)
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I think I have said all along that he would win.
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No you fucking didn't.
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I guarantee you you will not find one post of mine that ever said Trump would lose.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
Heh. Nicely Clintonian, so it fits today's theme.
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No you fucking didn't.
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I guarantee you you will not find one post of mine that ever said Trump would lose.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
Heh. Nicely Clintonian, so it fits today's theme.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (/wm8n)
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#35
Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
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"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
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"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (JBggj)
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She's running to the right.
Well, no surprise there. Every Clinton runs to the right when its
convention time.
What would you do if the left was coming for you with torches and pitchforks?
Well, no surprise there. Every Clinton runs to the right when its
convention time.
What would you do if the left was coming for you with torches and pitchforks?
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:57 AM (3e8zv)
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Hillary was selling out her office from the moment she was elected
Senator. If the NSA types want to bring her down, and are willing to pay
the price, I have no doubt they could.
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It's one thing for her to be a corrupt Senator or even SoS, it's another for her to be on the brink of being POTUS.
As to the timing - maybe they thought Comey wouldn't wuss out?
Senator. If the NSA types want to bring her down, and are willing to pay
the price, I have no doubt they could.
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It's one thing for her to be a corrupt Senator or even SoS, it's another for her to be on the brink of being POTUS.
As to the timing - maybe they thought Comey wouldn't wuss out?
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 11:57 AM (7lVbc)
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>>evangelical atheists. I don't understand what makes
either of them tick.Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (/wm8n)
The type bothers even those of us who don't "believe"--Richard Dawkins is one of the worst offenders, smart though he undeniably is. Like the ex-smoker who won't quit needling practitioners, he bothers those others who quit by unnecessarily making a spectacle of himself.
either of them tick.Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:52 AM (/wm8n)
The type bothers even those of us who don't "believe"--Richard Dawkins is one of the worst offenders, smart though he undeniably is. Like the ex-smoker who won't quit needling practitioners, he bothers those others who quit by unnecessarily making a spectacle of himself.
Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:57 AM (Bdeb0)
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FWIW, Nate Silver of 538 fame has Trump at 57.8% chance of winning. The trend is our friend.
Posted by: oddnot does fret and with reason at July 25, 2016 11:57 AM (g1MTt)
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A nice thing is that this is a nuance-free election. At least we don't have to wade through any of that crap.
Posted by: tubal at July 25, 2016 11:58 AM (d6TTt)
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Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
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Hillary Clinton 20.16.
Bobblehead Edition
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Hillary Clinton 20.16.
Bobblehead Edition
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 11:58 AM (7lVbc)
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I guarantee you you will not find one post of mine that ever said Trump would lose.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
Heh. Nicely Clintonian, so it fits today's theme.
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No, just setting the record straight. My reasons for opposing Trump were not because he would lose. I won't be surprised if he wins.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
Heh. Nicely Clintonian, so it fits today's theme.
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No, just setting the record straight. My reasons for opposing Trump were not because he would lose. I won't be surprised if he wins.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:58 AM (gmeXX)
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I'm the type of pessimist that I will only believe polls that show hillary winning. Its easier that way.
I'm the type of pessimist that I will only believe polls that show hillary winning. Its easier that way.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 11:58 AM (ODxAs)
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I mean people obsess over Trump's finger on the
button, but have you ever thought about Hillary with a couple of screws
loose with the finger on the button. Trump is a property guy, he does
not want see his properties get nuked!
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (KhJh
Yeah - her finger on the button the next time she has a f*$ing seizure. That should end well for all of us.....
button, but have you ever thought about Hillary with a couple of screws
loose with the finger on the button. Trump is a property guy, he does
not want see his properties get nuked!
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (KhJh
Yeah - her finger on the button the next time she has a f*$ing seizure. That should end well for all of us.....
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (/5WQL)
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In which case I really don't care what they are doing in Bumfck, North Dakota.
Close, Vic. ND's capital is Bismarck.
In which case I really don't care what they are doing in Bumfck, North Dakota.
Close, Vic. ND's capital is Bismarck.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (BK3ZS)
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The FAB is talking the VFW...Makes me want to puke. sigh
Please G-D don't let that ass into the White House I beg you
Please G-D don't let that ass into the White House I beg you
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (zp+j1)
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So, Hillary's claim that Trump will have our troops committing "war crimes" -- does she mean the modern "didn't let the enemy slaughter them" war crime, where anything that doesn't look good in a 5-second video clip narrated by an air-head briefed by our enemy's lobbyists is call for the entire military to be sent to prison, or for-real war crimes, as defined by the Geneva Comventions?
Posted by: Robert Crawford at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (5JEr5)
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Hillary has already imprisoned people when convenient for her.
She has already sold her office to foreign countries for personal benefit.
She wants to imprison believing Christians.
She wants to finish the take over of the health care sector.
She wants to completely open the doors to immigrants and H1Bs from all over - including "Syrian refugees".
She will appoint at least 3 national socialists to the SC if elected.
She will continue Obama's support for Iran and ISIS.
There is simply no way Trump could be worse.
Hillary has already imprisoned people when convenient for her.
She has already sold her office to foreign countries for personal benefit.
She wants to imprison believing Christians.
She wants to finish the take over of the health care sector.
She wants to completely open the doors to immigrants and H1Bs from all over - including "Syrian refugees".
She will appoint at least 3 national socialists to the SC if elected.
She will continue Obama's support for Iran and ISIS.
There is simply no way Trump could be worse.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (X7E8f)
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What is FAB in relation to the PIAPS?
Posted by: Drill at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (DN9jO)
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Kate Upton shows up with a pitcher of margaritas and astroglide. Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (WYh6/)
Cut, jib, etc.
Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (Bdeb0)
She'll have to have that whole pitcher herself to drink me pretty!
I'd be good as is.
Cut, jib, etc.
Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (Bdeb0)
She'll have to have that whole pitcher herself to drink me pretty!
I'd be good as is.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (kKHcp)
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If Trump wins, there's going to be a lot of Pauline Kael-style postelection astonishment and denial among Dems. It'd be...sublime.
Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (Bdeb0)
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DWS was CHEERED, NOT BOOED at Florida Delegation Breakfast this morning. ALL BOOS ARE NOW CHEERS.
Coming Soon: How to DEBUNK biased polls.
Coming Soon: How to DEBUNK biased polls.
Posted by: CORRUPT MEDIA at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (Jh20h)
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Holy crap! I was dumped on (metaphorically). "No!. He's worse!"
I thought that I accidentally posted it at The New Republic.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (4+VII)
I'm beginning to think the NRO and SooperMexican (the right scoop) are all Glenn Beck in disguise.
The many faces of Glenn. Leaping off the deep end.
I thought that I accidentally posted it at The New Republic.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 25, 2016 11:55 AM (4+VII)
I'm beginning to think the NRO and SooperMexican (the right scoop) are all Glenn Beck in disguise.
The many faces of Glenn. Leaping off the deep end.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (qCMvj)
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I don't think Romney took the lead after his Convention fwiw
I get not liking Trump on some levels, he wasn't my pick, but the idea of any conservative not supporting him when the choice is against Hillary means this is just more of a game to you and your feelings are more important than what is good for the nation.
I get not liking Trump on some levels, he wasn't my pick, but the idea of any conservative not supporting him when the choice is against Hillary means this is just more of a game to you and your feelings are more important than what is good for the nation.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (Jzg4b)
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (OneoG)
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I guarantee you you will not find one post of mine that ever said Trump would lose.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
*The melody from 'Onward Christian Soldiers' wafts faintly on the air.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:54 AM (gmeXX)
*The melody from 'Onward Christian Soldiers' wafts faintly on the air.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (4ng05)
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How good will it feel if we actually get to see Hillary get drubbed on election day? We are going to need Y-not to post a new happiness thread for that, should it come to pass.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (SUtNI)
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She refused to say Trumps name
She twisted his statement as being critical of the United States instead of being critical of the administration.
The administration and the nation are not the same thing
She refused to say Trumps name
She twisted his statement as being critical of the United States instead of being critical of the administration.
The administration and the nation are not the same thing
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (zOTsN)
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Ace, you should quit Twitter again. All it does is piss you off and inhibit you from enjoying blogging.
Posted by: Brisco_County at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (1CELu)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (nIGPZ)
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I cannot think of one thing to put in the PRO column of Hillary becoming POTUS.
NOT.ONE.THING.
Not even Vagina?
NOT.ONE.THING.
Not even Vagina?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (/wm8n)
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The Ultimate Reason to Vote for Trump:
If Hillary wins, we will have to listen to that voice for another 8 years.
If Trump wins, we get to watch Ivanka say sweet nothings to us with her hair blowing gently in the breeze instead.
How is this even a dilemma?
If Hillary wins, we will have to listen to that voice for another 8 years.
If Trump wins, we get to watch Ivanka say sweet nothings to us with her hair blowing gently in the breeze instead.
How is this even a dilemma?
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (7lVbc)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (kKHcp)
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And . . . willowed. And it's good enough for me. Damned phone's fault.
Posted by: Thanatopsis at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (JaiYy)
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Ace, I have never used the "he's not going to win anyway" argument because that is the type of stupid argument that drives me nuts during the primaries every time.
Either you support someone because you feel he represents you and your values or you refuse support because he doesn't (or, as with some of the tepid Trump support here, you support what you perceive as the lesser of two evils).
Not supporting someone because you don't think they can win is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
I don't particularly care if Trump can win or not, I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies. I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Either you support someone because you feel he represents you and your values or you refuse support because he doesn't (or, as with some of the tepid Trump support here, you support what you perceive as the lesser of two evils).
Not supporting someone because you don't think they can win is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
I don't particularly care if Trump can win or not, I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies. I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
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She is running to the right. Isn't that interesting.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (zOTsN)
Eh, even TFG ran to the right on some issues esp with McCain.
Their morons ( the bad kind) no the Dim candidate is lying so don't worry about it.
Our morons (the worse kind, i.e.. #NeverTrumps) will believe Hillary! and thus use it as another excuse to vote for her.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:53 AM (zOTsN)
Eh, even TFG ran to the right on some issues esp with McCain.
Their morons ( the bad kind) no the Dim candidate is lying so don't worry about it.
Our morons (the worse kind, i.e.. #NeverTrumps) will believe Hillary! and thus use it as another excuse to vote for her.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (HGtd0)
141
For The FAB to even intimate she supports the Military or The Police is laughable.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zp+j1)
142
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At the end of this week will Hillary have a bounce or a "Dead Cat Bounce?"
Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016
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Oh, the pressholes and presstitutes will make sure she has a "sizeable bounce as voters see her experience shine" bullshit or some such.
At the end of this week will Hillary have a bounce or a "Dead Cat Bounce?"
Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016
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Oh, the pressholes and presstitutes will make sure she has a "sizeable bounce as voters see her experience shine" bullshit or some such.
Posted by: oddnot does fret and with reason at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (g1MTt)
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Health thread?! Does Ace have a tick on his nose, too?
Quick hold him! Cover his eyes! Poor alcohol on the knife! I'm going in....
Health thread?! Does Ace have a tick on his nose, too?
Quick hold him! Cover his eyes! Poor alcohol on the knife! I'm going in....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (iQIUe)
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"Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to 'reintroduce' her to America. Really."
Well, the Grandmonster did "relaunch" her campaign about fifteen times in a row.
Her spirit animal has to be Wile E. Coyote.
Well, the Grandmonster did "relaunch" her campaign about fifteen times in a row.
Her spirit animal has to be Wile E. Coyote.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (noWW6)
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133 Ace, you should quit Twitter again. All it does is piss you off and inhibit you from enjoying blogging.
Posted by: Brisco_County at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (1CELu)
And give up all that sweet Twitter income? No way.
Posted by: Brisco_County at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (1CELu)
And give up all that sweet Twitter income? No way.
Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (Zs4uk)
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I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
You're kidding, right?
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
You're kidding, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (/wm8n)
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>>Ah, Nate Silver, the man who predicted a half dozen times already this election that Trump was doomed and would lose. But he's right this time!
Its like a fortune teller that gives you ten predictions, one of which comes sorta true and people think its all eerie and supernatural.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (39g3+)
I've never been a conspiracy theorist but the last few years have been so crazy. I don't trust any polls really. Maybe two days before the election I will when things level off?
Its like a fortune teller that gives you ten predictions, one of which comes sorta true and people think its all eerie and supernatural.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (39g3+)
I've never been a conspiracy theorist but the last few years have been so crazy. I don't trust any polls really. Maybe two days before the election I will when things level off?
Posted by: Lea at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (HGtd0)
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I don't particularly care if Trump can win or not, I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies. I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
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Watch it red. You'll be accused of moving goalposts or something.
I agree with you - though I have maintained that I thought he would win. But even that doesn't make some people happy.
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Watch it red. You'll be accused of moving goalposts or something.
I agree with you - though I have maintained that I thought he would win. But even that doesn't make some people happy.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (gmeXX)
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98: Reeeeaaaaalllllyyyy...
Reintroduce someone who's been in national politics for a quarter century at least. Good luck with that!
Reintroduce someone who's been in national politics for a quarter century at least. Good luck with that!
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (Lyh9/)
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Pour...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (iQIUe)
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>>Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
How many times can this woman be repackaged and reintroduced??
Her best hope is convincing LIVs and Bernie supporters that Trump is Satan. That's all she's got. She'll have some very lovely and convincing people doing that for her this week, but you cannot shine that turd that is Hillary Clinton enough to convince anyone not already on board that she's a good choice.
How many times can this woman be repackaged and reintroduced??
Her best hope is convincing LIVs and Bernie supporters that Trump is Satan. That's all she's got. She'll have some very lovely and convincing people doing that for her this week, but you cannot shine that turd that is Hillary Clinton enough to convince anyone not already on board that she's a good choice.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (NOIQH)
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Yeah - her finger on the button the next time she has a f*$ing seizure. That should end well for all of us.....
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (/5WQL)
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Considering Clinton's security skills the Russians will nuke us with our own nukes.
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at July 25, 2016 11:59 AM (/5WQL)
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Considering Clinton's security skills the Russians will nuke us with our own nukes.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (4+VII)
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For The FAB to even intimate she supports the Military or The Police is laughable.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zp+j1)
When she tells her Secret Service aide to "shut the fuck up" it's always in a loving way.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zp+j1)
When she tells her Secret Service aide to "shut the fuck up" it's always in a loving way.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (/wm8n)
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (CH3GY)
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Poor alcohol on the knife!
Well sure. You don't want to waste the good stuff on sterilizing equipment.
Well sure. You don't want to waste the good stuff on sterilizing equipment.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (0mRoj)
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Conrad Black's piece over at HotAir's this morning should have ruffled a few nevertrumpers feathers.
haha
The great divide. We're almost there.
Conrad Black's piece over at HotAir's this morning should have ruffled a few nevertrumpers feathers.
haha
The great divide. We're almost there.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (qCMvj)
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No, just setting the record straight. My reasons for opposing Trump were not because he would lose. I won't be surprised if he wins.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:58 AM (gmeXX)
I'm protecting conservatism, goddamnit! If not me, who? If not now, when? Many are called. Few will answer. From the pit of my mother's basement I spit my last breath at thee!
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:58 AM (gmeXX)
I'm protecting conservatism, goddamnit! If not me, who? If not now, when? Many are called. Few will answer. From the pit of my mother's basement I spit my last breath at thee!
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (4ng05)
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and so it begins
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (evdj2)
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6 Ace, looking forward to the health thread today. It's today's antidote to politics and much needed.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (sdxbz)
Seconded.
Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (sdxbz)
Seconded.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (SUtNI)
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The reasons I hear from supposed "adult" conservatives on why they can't support Trump are pretty juvenile.
Like he said mean things in the primary, or retweeted an unflattering picture of Cruz's wife next to his.
Are you really going to hand the Supreme Court to the Left for the next 30 years because Trump did some childish things during the primary?
Like he said mean things in the primary, or retweeted an unflattering picture of Cruz's wife next to his.
Are you really going to hand the Supreme Court to the Left for the next 30 years because Trump did some childish things during the primary?
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (Jzg4b)
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I want Trump to go Medieval on Hillary!
Do what Charles Martel did to the muzzies in 8th century France.
Do what the indians did to Custer at the Little Bighorn.
Do what Gen. Curtis LeMay did to the Japanese in WW2.
And if she strokes out, look into the camera and in his best Urkel voice say; Did I do that?
Do what Charles Martel did to the muzzies in 8th century France.
Do what the indians did to Custer at the Little Bighorn.
Do what Gen. Curtis LeMay did to the Japanese in WW2.
And if she strokes out, look into the camera and in his best Urkel voice say; Did I do that?
Posted by: JackS at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (hgwL9)
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Can I just make a general comment about how scary the convention stuff looks to me? I went to the 2000 convention in philly there may have been a few security things but it wasn't terribly noticeable. This 'let's build a wall' stuff is just weird. Scary how much things have gone downhill in such a short time.
Posted by: Lea at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (lIU4e)
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Not even Vagina?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (/wm8n)
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Thats not a vagina.
That's a gaping semi-circular maw of rotting gelatinous flesh, wraith-like in that it may have been human at one time, but evil and avarice have twisted it it into an undead belligerent antagonist version of its former self.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (/wm8n)
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Thats not a vagina.
That's a gaping semi-circular maw of rotting gelatinous flesh, wraith-like in that it may have been human at one time, but evil and avarice have twisted it it into an undead belligerent antagonist version of its former self.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (evdj2)
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ALERT: Refer to Trump's post-Convention bounce as "small, typical, and expected." Also, for next week, refer to Clinton's post-Convention bounce as "huge, unusual, and unexpected." Key words for the Convention this week remain "unity," "hopeful," "uplifting," "positive," and "patriotic."
Posted by: CORRUPT MEDIA at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (Jh20h)
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If Hillary Clinton wins then the Clinton crime family Inhabits the Oval Office but unlike the 90s has a fully weopanozed federal bureaucracy and the newly created "pen-phone" executive powers at its disposal to crush its enemies.
It will get at the bare minimum 2 SCOTUS picks and more than likely 4.
It will have the political Capitol to shove amnesty down our throats ushering in Democrat control of the White House for at least a generation and probably more.
The choice is clear, Hillary Clinton cannot be allowed to win the Presidnecy.
It will get at the bare minimum 2 SCOTUS picks and more than likely 4.
It will have the political Capitol to shove amnesty down our throats ushering in Democrat control of the White House for at least a generation and probably more.
The choice is clear, Hillary Clinton cannot be allowed to win the Presidnecy.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (gEpjt)
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I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies.
That is hardly a new statement by some around here, but it makes absolutely no sense and also is factually untrue. "Totalitarian Tendencies" Please? Since he has NO governmental experience it's laughable to make that statement. You can't compare business to government. And since the Democrats are so far to the left, the "Liberal" label is not longer valid. Humphry and Scoop Jackson were liberal...what you are seeing today in the deomcratic party socialism and beyond.
That is hardly a new statement by some around here, but it makes absolutely no sense and also is factually untrue. "Totalitarian Tendencies" Please? Since he has NO governmental experience it's laughable to make that statement. You can't compare business to government. And since the Democrats are so far to the left, the "Liberal" label is not longer valid. Humphry and Scoop Jackson were liberal...what you are seeing today in the deomcratic party socialism and beyond.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (zp+j1)
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That doesn't mean anyone is obligated to help a man he or she considers unfit for office and a bad person besides. But the various Twitter-generated slogans exist to arrest thought, not spur it.
This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously, not simply by stringing together a series of Twitter argumentative memes that substitute for thought.
This is what I think as well. I don't mind if you don't like Trump and don't want to vote for him. Its a free... ish country and your vote is your own vote. I just have two rules:
1) Be sane about your opposition, not slouching into the lunatic "he's the next Hitler KKK nuclear war mongering racist!" camp.
2) Oppose Hillary more than you do Trump. And most of these super anti-Trump folks don't even come close. Its anti Hillary once in a while and 15 times as much anti Trump.
That makes me highly suspicious of your politics.
This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously, not simply by stringing together a series of Twitter argumentative memes that substitute for thought.
This is what I think as well. I don't mind if you don't like Trump and don't want to vote for him. Its a free... ish country and your vote is your own vote. I just have two rules:
1) Be sane about your opposition, not slouching into the lunatic "he's the next Hitler KKK nuclear war mongering racist!" camp.
2) Oppose Hillary more than you do Trump. And most of these super anti-Trump folks don't even come close. Its anti Hillary once in a while and 15 times as much anti Trump.
That makes me highly suspicious of your politics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (39g3+)
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>>Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
How many times can this woman be repackaged and reintroduced??
She's like a fat, unattractive Madonna.
Who is not fat.
How many times can this woman be repackaged and reintroduced??
She's like a fat, unattractive Madonna.
Who is not fat.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (nIGPZ)
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I have a hard time believing that a candidate whose first action after the convention is to pledge $20 million, NOT to defeat his opponent, but to take revenge on irrelevant former Republican rivals, is mentally stable.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (laMCB)
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139: And I think Trump is no more liberal than Romney and McCain. I supported those 2 wimpy, incompetent sh!tstains. I have NO problem supporting Trump.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (Lyh9/)
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I don't trust any polls really. Maybe two days before the election I will when things level off?
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It is not unusual to see two polls with margin of error of say 4 points showing a difference of 10 points...and then you never see any real explanation as to why...
I think realistically, polling can give you an idea of the state of a race but they are very easy to control and there is complexity beyond the pollers ability to control.
For example, if you can people at 11 AM you are going to get retired people, unemployed people, and stay at home moms.
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It is not unusual to see two polls with margin of error of say 4 points showing a difference of 10 points...and then you never see any real explanation as to why...
I think realistically, polling can give you an idea of the state of a race but they are very easy to control and there is complexity beyond the pollers ability to control.
For example, if you can people at 11 AM you are going to get retired people, unemployed people, and stay at home moms.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (X7E8f)
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Just to repeat: a thoughtful social media director for a certain campaign might find it profitable to encourage the demographic that favored Bernie to go over to Jill Stein and the Greens. Just an idea.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (RD7QR)
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I'm protecting conservatism, goddamnit! If not me, who? If not now, when? Many are called. Few will answer. From the pit of my mother's basement I spit my last breath at thee!
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I'm just not voting for him. I know that offends you. You are free to vote for him.
I still think he will win - even without my vote.
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I'm just not voting for him. I know that offends you. You are free to vote for him.
I still think he will win - even without my vote.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (gmeXX)
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What would the poll results be if Cake Girl was added?
Posted by: Furious George at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (57K5j)
I know one poll that would rise. In fact...
BRB.
Posted by: Furious George at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (57K5j)
I know one poll that would rise. In fact...
BRB.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (wKcQA)
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Like I said in the previous thread, I'm not going to partake in Trump's fate. He may lose, he may win. It will happen without me, and if that means Hillary wins, then fine.
I vote for Republicans because I am an anti-authoritarian, American exceptionalist. I will not vote for a man who vows to destroy disagreeable media outlets, who wants the armed forces (which includes me) to murder innocents and who has weird admiration for Sadam Hussein (to include telling bizarre liberal lies about him not having WMDs) and Vladimir Putin. Fuck that shit.
I vote for Republicans because I am an anti-authoritarian, American exceptionalist. I will not vote for a man who vows to destroy disagreeable media outlets, who wants the armed forces (which includes me) to murder innocents and who has weird admiration for Sadam Hussein (to include telling bizarre liberal lies about him not having WMDs) and Vladimir Putin. Fuck that shit.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (hxUdS)
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>> I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Read or watch "Clinton Cash". Hillary brings with her a whole band of foreign tyrants and domestic sleazeballs she's been tight with for decades. She will be carving up and selling off America while taking away all of our rights.
Even if you believe they are equally bad, consider that Trump is Little Leager to Hillary's MLB MVP when it comes to corruption.
Read or watch "Clinton Cash". Hillary brings with her a whole band of foreign tyrants and domestic sleazeballs she's been tight with for decades. She will be carving up and selling off America while taking away all of our rights.
Even if you believe they are equally bad, consider that Trump is Little Leager to Hillary's MLB MVP when it comes to corruption.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (NOIQH)
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Don't lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trump is a loser and a idiot. He cannot be trusted and this is why the DNC needs to nominate our Senatior Sanders for Presdent. Presdent Obanma should makes Hilllery step down and Senator Standers becomes the nominee !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (NuElX)
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170: (Stands up and starts clapping)
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (Lyh9/)
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"Hillary's claim that Trump will have our troops committing 'war crimes'"
Hillary cheered on her husband when he started a war against Serbia.
In the Senate, she voted to start the war in Afghanistan. She voted to start the war in Iraq.
As Secretary of State, she started a war in Libya. Started a war in Syria. Started a war in Yemen.
Now she wants to call her opponent a warmonger. You couldn't make this up.
Hillary cheered on her husband when he started a war against Serbia.
In the Senate, she voted to start the war in Afghanistan. She voted to start the war in Iraq.
As Secretary of State, she started a war in Libya. Started a war in Syria. Started a war in Yemen.
Now she wants to call her opponent a warmonger. You couldn't make this up.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (noWW6)
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165 Not even Vagina?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (/wm8n)
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Thats not a vagina.
That's a gaping semi-circular maw of rotting gelatinous flesh, wraith-like in that it may have been human at one time, but evil and avarice have twisted it it into an undead belligerent antagonist version of its former self.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (8XRCm)
A vaginazgul?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (/wm8n)
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Thats not a vagina.
That's a gaping semi-circular maw of rotting gelatinous flesh, wraith-like in that it may have been human at one time, but evil and avarice have twisted it it into an undead belligerent antagonist version of its former self.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (8XRCm)
A vaginazgul?
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (0mRoj)
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Ace, you should quit Twitter again.
He can't quit that slut.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (CH3GY)
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa?
He said we'd be together forever!!!
*sobs*
He can't quit that slut.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (CH3GY)
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa?
He said we'd be together forever!!!
*sobs*
Posted by: Rubio's Rotting Garbage at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (HGtd0)
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People say a lot of things. The reality is they vote their own comfort. Trump is busy right now telling everyone behind the scenes that he isn't going to change a thing. Which is probably true but in a surprising way. Trump will be offered a large number of choices from a large number of groups. The credibility of the various groups will be on the line not Trump's credibility.
Hillary needs more money. She will continue the destruction of the US economy.
Hillary needs more money. She will continue the destruction of the US economy.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (rnH8X)
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O/T: Howzabout a 110% income tax on all lobbying income if you were ever a Congress critter or staffer?
Then have reverse vesting of Congressional pension. If you only serve one term, you get 100% of your Congressional salary for life. If you serve two terms, you get 50%. Three terms, you get 25%. After that, nothing.
Then have reverse vesting of Congressional pension. If you only serve one term, you get 100% of your Congressional salary for life. If you serve two terms, you get 50%. Three terms, you get 25%. After that, nothing.
Posted by: Furious George at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (57K5j)
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This Russia thing is a false flag, for real. What a joke. How dumb to fall for it
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (zOTsN)
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I don't get people. Even if one thought both major candidates were equally bad you should vote for the candidate where the media will spotlight faults and congress will be inclined to take back their power IMO.
8 years should have shown people that a media that covers FOR an administration instead of covering them and a congress that won't oppose the historic "first" minority/female gender etc president is disastrous.
8 years should have shown people that a media that covers FOR an administration instead of covering them and a congress that won't oppose the historic "first" minority/female gender etc president is disastrous.
Posted by: PaleRider at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (wYRTH)
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Trumps speech has her cornered.
She has to give a speech about the country going in the right direction and healthy as a horse because of Obama and the Uniparty. Vote for her to continue down this path and finish the job of completely alienating the American citizens from their own country.
She is fucked.
She has to give a speech about the country going in the right direction and healthy as a horse because of Obama and the Uniparty. Vote for her to continue down this path and finish the job of completely alienating the American citizens from their own country.
She is fucked.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (OneoG)
Posted by: Hillary! (Pandering, Drunk or both?) at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (UPYhp)
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I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
I think the best way to understand it is that he might be as awful, but we know for absolute certainty that Hillary will be awful; even worse than we fear.
For me, opposition to Trump is less "he'll suck at the job" but more "he's a sleazy scumbag unworthy of high office that is a stain on the nation's character". He's trash. He's a lying adulterer and cutthroat businessman. I don't like him or what he does. I opposed Clinton for the same reason: he's scum. Clinton was even worse.
As for Trump's politics? Who the heck knows. Sometimes he seems really smart, sometimes he seems like a leftist idiot. I really have no handle on the guy and I think that's on purpose.
I think the best way to understand it is that he might be as awful, but we know for absolute certainty that Hillary will be awful; even worse than we fear.
For me, opposition to Trump is less "he'll suck at the job" but more "he's a sleazy scumbag unworthy of high office that is a stain on the nation's character". He's trash. He's a lying adulterer and cutthroat businessman. I don't like him or what he does. I opposed Clinton for the same reason: he's scum. Clinton was even worse.
As for Trump's politics? Who the heck knows. Sometimes he seems really smart, sometimes he seems like a leftist idiot. I really have no handle on the guy and I think that's on purpose.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (39g3+)
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I won't endorse him but I'll vote for him...
Posted by: DanMan at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (RusNE)
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I will vote Trump in the off chance that if he wins, there will be some vestiges of the Republic to rebuild.
Posted by: tubal at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (d6TTt)
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35 27
Hillary is sure to win back voters with her warmth and endless accomplishments.
Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (3e8zv)
You can only have so many reintroductions before it becomes indistinguishable from stalking.
Hillary is sure to win back voters with her warmth and endless accomplishments.
Haven't you heard? They're going to use the convention to "reintroduce" her to America. Really.
Posted by: pep at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (3e8zv)
You can only have so many reintroductions before it becomes indistinguishable from stalking.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (RD7QR)
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I think what Darrell Hammond said about Hillary is still very true (I'm paraphrasing from memory):
When she laughs, the mouth smiles but the eyes don't. Laughter and rage have become indistinguishable.
When she laughs, the mouth smiles but the eyes don't. Laughter and rage have become indistinguishable.
Posted by: Gran at July 25, 2016 12:07 PM (XIXhw)
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I just have two rules:
1) Be sane about your opposition, not slouching into the lunatic "he's the next Hitler KKK nuclear war mongering racist!" camp.
2) Oppose Hillary more than you do Trump. And most of these super anti-Trump folks don't even come close. Its anti Hillary once in a while and 15 times as much anti Trump.
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Well then I think I fit your two rules. I've never said he would be Hitler or that he is a racist. And I think I'm pretty anti-Hillary.
You all may find this hypocritical, but if Trump wins, I will probably celebrate a little that Hillary will not be President. It will be nice to finally see the Clintons go away. Well sort of go away - I doubt they go away completely.
1) Be sane about your opposition, not slouching into the lunatic "he's the next Hitler KKK nuclear war mongering racist!" camp.
2) Oppose Hillary more than you do Trump. And most of these super anti-Trump folks don't even come close. Its anti Hillary once in a while and 15 times as much anti Trump.
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Well then I think I fit your two rules. I've never said he would be Hitler or that he is a racist. And I think I'm pretty anti-Hillary.
You all may find this hypocritical, but if Trump wins, I will probably celebrate a little that Hillary will not be President. It will be nice to finally see the Clintons go away. Well sort of go away - I doubt they go away completely.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (gmeXX)
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Summary: I think Trump will win because Hillary can't get people to believe things will stay the same or get better.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (rnH8X)
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14. Discuss.
In Turkish.
In Turkish.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (Kucy5)
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Is 5 points a big bounce? I didnt think so but the msm says it is.
Is 5 points a big bounce? I didnt think so but the msm says it is.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (iQIUe)
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Fatty Bitchbuckle's best shot at a post convention bounce is to no show
Posted by: x at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (nFwvY)
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I will endorse and promote him because I want him to win because Clinton. If it means compromising my principles, so be it.
Posted by: tubal at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (d6TTt)
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Want a campaign commercial???
There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (qf6WZ)
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So, what, you don' want to pee on me anymore?
Posted by: Twitter at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (Jh20h)
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The NeverTrump position boils down to making the assertion that Trump will be worse than Hillary for Conservatives and the country.
I'm just not seeing that.
I'm just not seeing that.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (evdj2)
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122 Hillary has already imprisoned people when convenient for her.
She has already sold her office to foreign countries for personal benefit.
She wants to imprison believing Christians.
She wants to finish the take over of the health care sector.
She wants to completely open the doors to immigrants and H1Bs from all over - including "Syrian refugees".
She will appoint at least 3 national socialists to the SC if elected.
She will continue Obama's support for Iran and ISIS.
There is simply no way Trump could be worse.
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What makes you think Trump won't do all of that stuff? He has expressed support for the transgender bullies. He has suggested nominating liberals justices to SCOTUS. He has stated he wants to replace Obamacare with single-player.
I have no reason to believe a Trump administration will be less corrupt than a Clinton administration.
The immigration part I'll give you.
She has already sold her office to foreign countries for personal benefit.
She wants to imprison believing Christians.
She wants to finish the take over of the health care sector.
She wants to completely open the doors to immigrants and H1Bs from all over - including "Syrian refugees".
She will appoint at least 3 national socialists to the SC if elected.
She will continue Obama's support for Iran and ISIS.
There is simply no way Trump could be worse.
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What makes you think Trump won't do all of that stuff? He has expressed support for the transgender bullies. He has suggested nominating liberals justices to SCOTUS. He has stated he wants to replace Obamacare with single-player.
I have no reason to believe a Trump administration will be less corrupt than a Clinton administration.
The immigration part I'll give you.
Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (bMcUX)
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I'm just not voting for him. I know that offends you. You are free to vote for him.
I still think he will win - even without my vote.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (gmeXX)
It doesn't offend me in the least. The seriousness that I attribute to your motives are reflected in the nature of my comments about them.
I still think he will win - even without my vote.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:05 PM (gmeXX)
It doesn't offend me in the least. The seriousness that I attribute to your motives are reflected in the nature of my comments about them.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (4ng05)
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I don't particularly care if Trump can win or not, I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies. I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
Oh, BS. If you really thought that way you wouldn't be here yammering against Trump all the time.
I don't particularly care if Trump can win or not, I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies. I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
Oh, BS. If you really thought that way you wouldn't be here yammering against Trump all the time.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (3myMJ)
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Even if one thought both major candidates were equally bad you should vote for the candidate where the media will spotlight faults and congress will be inclined to take back their power IMO.
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That to me is one of the better arguments for voting for him - maybe the best.
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That to me is one of the better arguments for voting for him - maybe the best.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (gmeXX)
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Here's a question for NeverTrumpers: If you were magically transported to the universe of House of Cards, would you vote for Frank Underwood if his opponent was Donald Trump, not vote at all, or vote for Trump?
If your answer is any different than what you're planning to do this election, why?
If your answer is any different than what you're planning to do this election, why?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (+Xox3)
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68 Anyone else remember the nice fat post-Palin, post-convention bounce that John McCain enjoyed? And then had it all slip through his fingers thanks largely to his own clumsiness.
A couple of gaffes from Trump going off message again, trumpeted loudly by the Democratic operatives with bylines who masquerade as a press corps, and it's back to being Hillary's race to lose.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (noWW6)
Yeah, I keep thinking of this. For a while in September 2008, McCain/Palin had the lead. It all came crashing down when the housing bubble burst and McCain sounded like he didn't have a clue about economics. Actually, he pretty much admitted that verbatim. Then he suspended his campaign which was one of the dumbest things I had ever heard of in politics. Just totally bungled it. That was the day any hope of him winning died.
A couple of gaffes from Trump going off message again, trumpeted loudly by the Democratic operatives with bylines who masquerade as a press corps, and it's back to being Hillary's race to lose.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (noWW6)
Yeah, I keep thinking of this. For a while in September 2008, McCain/Palin had the lead. It all came crashing down when the housing bubble burst and McCain sounded like he didn't have a clue about economics. Actually, he pretty much admitted that verbatim. Then he suspended his campaign which was one of the dumbest things I had ever heard of in politics. Just totally bungled it. That was the day any hope of him winning died.
Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 25, 2016 12:10 PM (SUtNI)
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Trump needs to make an ad that splices together Hillary's weird seizure thing and her barking like a dog.
Posted by: Insomniac
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I certainly hope that one or more conservative PACs produce aggressive videos. Heaven knows, Hillary is fertile ground for sowing pointed mockery.
Posted by: Insomniac
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I certainly hope that one or more conservative PACs produce aggressive videos. Heaven knows, Hillary is fertile ground for sowing pointed mockery.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 12:10 PM (9mTYi)
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Well then I think I fit your two rules. I've never said he would be Hitler or that he is a racist. And I think I'm pretty anti-Hillary.
You all may find this hypocritical, but if Trump wins, I will probably celebrate a little that Hillary will not be President. It will be nice to finally see the Clintons go away. Well sort of go away - I doubt they go away completely.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (gmeXX)
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Sorry. Trump Train is closed.
Moose out front should have told you.
You all may find this hypocritical, but if Trump wins, I will probably celebrate a little that Hillary will not be President. It will be nice to finally see the Clintons go away. Well sort of go away - I doubt they go away completely.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (gmeXX)
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Sorry. Trump Train is closed.
Moose out front should have told you.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:10 PM (8XRCm)
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She has to give a speech about the country going in the right direction and healthy as a horse because of Obama and the Uniparty.
Which is the opposite of her primary campaign of gloom and doom.
Which is the opposite of her primary campaign of gloom and doom.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 12:10 PM (39g3+)
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Considering Clinton's security skills the Russians will nuke us with our own nukes.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (KhJh
Heh! Right!
I'm hoping Israel starts leaking some of the stuff they supposedly got from her bathroom server. Hell, I hope everyone that has something from the server starts leaking it. But not until she is crowned at the end of the week. I don't want them throwing someone more likeable in there at the last minute. I want her to run and have Trump and everyone on our side expose her for the lying, murderous scrunt she is. And I want her breakdown after losing on national television for all to see. (Fingers crossed that's how it plays out....)
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (KhJh
Heh! Right!
I'm hoping Israel starts leaking some of the stuff they supposedly got from her bathroom server. Hell, I hope everyone that has something from the server starts leaking it. But not until she is crowned at the end of the week. I don't want them throwing someone more likeable in there at the last minute. I want her to run and have Trump and everyone on our side expose her for the lying, murderous scrunt she is. And I want her breakdown after losing on national television for all to see. (Fingers crossed that's how it plays out....)
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at July 25, 2016 12:10 PM (/5WQL)
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Is 5 points a big bounce? I didnt think so but the msm says it is.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (iQIUe)
Actually.... 5 points is about the average post convention bounce...
But the MSM was trying to say he'd get no bounce, because of all the Protests that were supposed to happen....
It will be interesting to see what bounce if any Hilldog gets.
Is 5 points a big bounce? I didnt think so but the msm says it is.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:08 PM (iQIUe)
Actually.... 5 points is about the average post convention bounce...
But the MSM was trying to say he'd get no bounce, because of all the Protests that were supposed to happen....
It will be interesting to see what bounce if any Hilldog gets.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:10 PM (qf6WZ)
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There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
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Feel the love, brother!
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Feel the love, brother!
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (JBggj)
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Nate Silver
CLINTON still leads in our polls-plus model, which adjusts for Trump's convention bounce.
http://53eig.ht/2934XS8
This would be the same "polls-plus" model that was so hilariously* wrong against Trump in the primaries.
*that is hilarious if you're the type who laughs at statistics jokes.
Nate Silver
CLINTON still leads in our polls-plus model, which adjusts for Trump's convention bounce.
http://53eig.ht/2934XS8
This would be the same "polls-plus" model that was so hilariously* wrong against Trump in the primaries.
*that is hilarious if you're the type who laughs at statistics jokes.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (kdS6q)
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I support the wall around the DNC, as long as it keeps them in.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (nIGPZ)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (iQIUe)
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Don't forget,,,, just around the corner....Bill Kristol to unveil his super conservative überStar alternative to Trump. Should blow the lid off of this already tumultuous campaign season. Stay tuned folks!
Posted by: Ed gibbon at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (KiatL)
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I don't place any faith in polls. They can be gundecked (USN-speak), similar to any other leftwing fraud, chicanery, skullduggery, shenanigans, malfeasance, or other un-named upfcukery. In other words, don't get lulled into any false sense of security. Remember the Maginot Line.
Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (zLDYs)
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No one's asking for anyone to shout their approval to the rooftops for Trump and all his ways.
Just don't give the Enemy (the media and the Democrats. BIRM) any useful soundbites and understand that even a lousy Trump Presidency will be a thousand percent better than a mild Hillary Presidency.
Glad to see the polls show an increase of support for Trump.
I've always believed it was there but that the people being polled were concerned about being vocal about it. But Trump has shown he's a better person than Hillary and Hillary has been revealed to be the bitch that she is.
His choice of VP may have tipped the scales for many.
Just don't give the Enemy (the media and the Democrats. BIRM) any useful soundbites and understand that even a lousy Trump Presidency will be a thousand percent better than a mild Hillary Presidency.
Glad to see the polls show an increase of support for Trump.
I've always believed it was there but that the people being polled were concerned about being vocal about it. But Trump has shown he's a better person than Hillary and Hillary has been revealed to be the bitch that she is.
His choice of VP may have tipped the scales for many.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (ECJ+C)
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As far as national polls go.. meh.. It's not how we elect a president..
But it's a good sign of trajectory, if nothing else.
Trump needs to win Florida, Virginia, Ohio, No. Carolina and Wisconsin or Iowa...
It's a very tall order..
But it's a good sign of trajectory, if nothing else.
Trump needs to win Florida, Virginia, Ohio, No. Carolina and Wisconsin or Iowa...
It's a very tall order..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (so+oy)
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I'm with Her!
Trade deals- check.
Unlimited cheap imported labor- check.
8 more years of being the pious opposition- check!
Trade deals- check.
Unlimited cheap imported labor- check.
8 more years of being the pious opposition- check!
Posted by: Eric Erickson at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (jYnsn)
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And the Titanic.
Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (zLDYs)
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McCain killed his own campaign, by that stupid pause, by saying we have nothing to fear with BO in the White House, by refusing to attack BO, and by having HIS OWN CONSULTANTS LEAK NEGATIVE STORIES TO THE PRESS ABOUT HIS VEEP
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (zOTsN)
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I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
You're kidding, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (/wm8n)
No I am not... and it still puzzles the hell out of me how you and others keep coming back to SCOTUS... the minute you guys chose Trump, you virtually guaranteed that no justices who actually care about the Constitution would be nominated.
Because neither Trump nor Hillary care about the Constitution.
For all your certainty that Trump would appoint people who care about the Second Amendment, I see no evidence that HE even cares about that other than to fool suckers into voting for him. Trump certainly does not care about the First Amendment (either the free speech parts for anyone but him or the free exercise part that the Two Corinthians crowd so values).
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:01 PM (zE5x1)
You're kidding, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (/wm8n)
No I am not... and it still puzzles the hell out of me how you and others keep coming back to SCOTUS... the minute you guys chose Trump, you virtually guaranteed that no justices who actually care about the Constitution would be nominated.
Because neither Trump nor Hillary care about the Constitution.
For all your certainty that Trump would appoint people who care about the Second Amendment, I see no evidence that HE even cares about that other than to fool suckers into voting for him. Trump certainly does not care about the First Amendment (either the free speech parts for anyone but him or the free exercise part that the Two Corinthians crowd so values).
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (zE5x1)
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ANSBACH
Germany Bomber Left Video Pledge to ISIS
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Yep. No connection...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (iQIUe)
But motives. They're... what's the word... illusive.
Germany Bomber Left Video Pledge to ISIS
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Yep. No connection...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (iQIUe)
But motives. They're... what's the word... illusive.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (4ng05)
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But he could win. I still think he's disfavored to win (though I'm less
confident of that now), but this idea that NeverTrumpers are enamored
with -- that opposing Trump is an absolutely free choice with no
downside consequences whatsoever -- appears to be a bunch of babytalk.
I disagree with this on a fundamental level. The only consequence of your vote is your vote. No more, no less. If you think that your vote has some fundamental consequence about how the universe turns out you are wrong.
So what do you say to those people who live in Blue States. Do you say that there votes don't matter, stay home because your vote can never have a consequence?
What do you say to a republican that lives in Detroit, Chicago or San Francisco. Stop voting, since your vote can never have consequence?
Read what you are writing and think what you are trying to say.
confident of that now), but this idea that NeverTrumpers are enamored
with -- that opposing Trump is an absolutely free choice with no
downside consequences whatsoever -- appears to be a bunch of babytalk.
I disagree with this on a fundamental level. The only consequence of your vote is your vote. No more, no less. If you think that your vote has some fundamental consequence about how the universe turns out you are wrong.
So what do you say to those people who live in Blue States. Do you say that there votes don't matter, stay home because your vote can never have a consequence?
What do you say to a republican that lives in Detroit, Chicago or San Francisco. Stop voting, since your vote can never have consequence?
Read what you are writing and think what you are trying to say.
Posted by: JeffreyL at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (mXv3y)
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Bad news about DWS stepping down. I'm convinced she is a double agent working for the Republicans. No one could naturally be that awful.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (OD2ni)
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I don't believe the polls, but I do like to point out the contraindicators to the people who do.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (nIGPZ)
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Oh, BS. If you really thought that way you wouldn't be here yammering against Trump all the time.
This. I'm still undecided if Trump needs or deserves my vote, but I'm not going to try to persuade people not to support him as the lesser of weevils. If I don't vote for him it will because of personal issues, not broad policy or relative shittiness. Hillary is incomparably shitty.
This. I'm still undecided if Trump needs or deserves my vote, but I'm not going to try to persuade people not to support him as the lesser of weevils. If I don't vote for him it will because of personal issues, not broad policy or relative shittiness. Hillary is incomparably shitty.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (evdj2)
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Hillary has the charisma of a saggy, single-testicle scrotum. The only bounce she's getting will come from Bill plumping her during his "I was the greatest president ever" speech.
Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (WYh6/)
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During the dem convention
Trump is visiting seven swing states, seven
Usually the republican candidate does not campaign during th dem convention
Stupid party indeed
Trump is visiting seven swing states, seven
Usually the republican candidate does not campaign during th dem convention
Stupid party indeed
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (zOTsN)
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209 Here's a question for NeverTrumpers: If you were magically transported to the universe of House of Cards, would you vote for Frank Underwood if his opponent was Donald Trump, not vote at all, or vote for Trump?
If your answer is any different than what you're planning to do this election, why?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (+Xox3)
Hell, that's easy. Underwood in a heartbeat. He might be evil but he's not batshit crazy.
He also understood when he had to share power with Congress to get his way.
If your answer is any different than what you're planning to do this election, why?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 25, 2016 12:09 PM (+Xox3)
Hell, that's easy. Underwood in a heartbeat. He might be evil but he's not batshit crazy.
He also understood when he had to share power with Congress to get his way.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (laMCB)
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not simply by stringing together a series of Twitter argumentative memes that substitute for thought.
Those who would build a #BlogVerse must first seek to #DestroyTwitter.
Those who would build a #BlogVerse must first seek to #DestroyTwitter.
Posted by: DaveA at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (8J/Te)
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There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
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Feel the love, brother!
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (JBggj)
The Trump fence! It's everywhere!
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Feel the love, brother!
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (JBggj)
The Trump fence! It's everywhere!
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (4ng05)
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We get it, Ace.
I'm torn. I don't know who I hate more. I don't know what he's going to do, and I *do* know what she's going to do, so advantage Trump, I guess. He could be open to suggestion. He still has to earn my vote, but I'm predisposed at this time to reluctantly pull the lever.
But every time it seems he does something to pull me in, he does something to push me away.
To be fair, every time I get resigned to a Hillary! regime, she (or her press sycophants) do something to make me want to Vote Trump just to keep that harridan away from power.
I'm torn. I don't know who I hate more. I don't know what he's going to do, and I *do* know what she's going to do, so advantage Trump, I guess. He could be open to suggestion. He still has to earn my vote, but I'm predisposed at this time to reluctantly pull the lever.
But every time it seems he does something to pull me in, he does something to push me away.
To be fair, every time I get resigned to a Hillary! regime, she (or her press sycophants) do something to make me want to Vote Trump just to keep that harridan away from power.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (IgRG/)
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I've heard that Trump farts in elevators. Especially after eating the Taco Bowl (although that is delicious, and a bargain at the price)!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (qN4Yb)
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Amnesty in 100 days and 500% in suicide bomber refugees means the end of any real election again. Ever.
There is a special kind of stupid that would allow the final destruction of the country over their vanity, pride, ego.
Tell your kids and grandchildren you sold them out and enabled Crooked Hillary to win.
WWI and WWII soldiers died for their children and grand children to have a better life. This generation has adult babies who revel in their selfishness.
#NeverHillary
There is a special kind of stupid that would allow the final destruction of the country over their vanity, pride, ego.
Tell your kids and grandchildren you sold them out and enabled Crooked Hillary to win.
WWI and WWII soldiers died for their children and grand children to have a better life. This generation has adult babies who revel in their selfishness.
#NeverHillary
Posted by: #NeverHillary at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (Qv8F7)
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I don't particularly care if Trump can win or not, I don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies. I do not perceive him to be a lesser evil. I think he and Hillary would be equally awful as president.
Posted by: redbanzai
Redbanzai was a Cruz Superfan and got way too wrapped up in the primary drama to where she thinks Cruz is actually her husband and when Trump retweeted the mean picture it was her.
I simply don't believe this stance is principled, its emotional.
Posted by: redbanzai
Redbanzai was a Cruz Superfan and got way too wrapped up in the primary drama to where she thinks Cruz is actually her husband and when Trump retweeted the mean picture it was her.
I simply don't believe this stance is principled, its emotional.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (Jzg4b)
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I will not vote for a man who vows to destroy disagreeable media outlets
These "disagreeable media outlets" have lied, covered up and biased their way through elections and daily reporting for the last 50 years at the least. They are not honest in any sense of the word, nor do they provide information for an educated citizen to make sensible choices. They are propagandists. They are no better than Orwell's Ministry of Truth.
AFAIC, Trump is well within his rights to order the immediate arrest and imprisonment of the entire editorial staffs of the MFM outlets. I would not shed a single tear.
I will not vote for a man who vows to destroy disagreeable media outlets
These "disagreeable media outlets" have lied, covered up and biased their way through elections and daily reporting for the last 50 years at the least. They are not honest in any sense of the word, nor do they provide information for an educated citizen to make sensible choices. They are propagandists. They are no better than Orwell's Ministry of Truth.
AFAIC, Trump is well within his rights to order the immediate arrest and imprisonment of the entire editorial staffs of the MFM outlets. I would not shed a single tear.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (X6fMO)
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For all your certainty that Trump would appoint
people who care about the Second Amendment, I see no evidence that HE
even cares about that other than to fool suckers into voting for him.
Trump certainly does not care about the First Amendment (either the free
speech parts for anyone but him or the free exercise part that the Two
Corinthians crowd so values).
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (zE5x1)
And what's your assessment of Hillary's potential SC picks?
people who care about the Second Amendment, I see no evidence that HE
even cares about that other than to fool suckers into voting for him.
Trump certainly does not care about the First Amendment (either the free
speech parts for anyone but him or the free exercise part that the Two
Corinthians crowd so values).
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (zE5x1)
And what's your assessment of Hillary's potential SC picks?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (Enq6K)
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The only bounce she's getting will come from Bill plumping her during his "I was the greatest president ever" speech.
Posted by: Fritz
Phrasing!
Posted by: Fritz
Phrasing!
Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (UPYhp)
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It's a popular thing among NeverTrumps to disclaim any responsibility in this election by saying "Trump is doomed anyway."
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Can someone explain to me why my vote in CA matters? Is there some miraculous scenario that Trump has a chance here? There will be exactly TWO Republicans on my November ballot, and NO conservatives (my GOP Congressman is a confirmed RINO squish, and in no danger of losing). All other statewide races are 2 Dems.
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Can someone explain to me why my vote in CA matters? Is there some miraculous scenario that Trump has a chance here? There will be exactly TWO Republicans on my November ballot, and NO conservatives (my GOP Congressman is a confirmed RINO squish, and in no danger of losing). All other statewide races are 2 Dems.
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Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (2NLtQ)
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216 There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
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Feel the love, brother!
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (JBggj)
OH.... and you need not only a special ID, but a PICTURE ID to get in...
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Feel the love, brother!
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM (JBggj)
OH.... and you need not only a special ID, but a PICTURE ID to get in...
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (qf6WZ)
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>>Hell, that's easy. Underwood in a heartbeat. He might be evil but he's not batshit crazy.
What's a little murder or two in order to ascend to the presidency, amirite?
*headslap*
What's a little murder or two in order to ascend to the presidency, amirite?
*headslap*
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (NOIQH)
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"irrelevant former Republican rivals"
I don't think so. They (GOPe) are a bigger threat to Trump than Hillary. Trump is a bigger threat to them than Hillary.
It's a cozy club and nobody here is in it.
http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2007/04/george_w_bush.html
I don't think so. They (GOPe) are a bigger threat to Trump than Hillary. Trump is a bigger threat to them than Hillary.
It's a cozy club and nobody here is in it.
http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2007/04/george_w_bush.html
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (Bbcs8)
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230 Bad news about DWS stepping down. I'm convinced she is a double agent working for the Republicans. No one could naturally be that awful.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (OD2ni)
Word is that while she was a representative, she was actually somewhat reasonable and could be negotiated with. She didn't full batshit until she became DNC chair.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 25, 2016 12:12 PM (OD2ni)
Word is that while she was a representative, she was actually somewhat reasonable and could be negotiated with. She didn't full batshit until she became DNC chair.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (0mRoj)
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I used to be firmly in the NeverTrump camp, but I've seen the light. I have since decided that an electorate that is capable of nominating Clinton and Trump is one that deserves to be punished. Who better to do that than Clinton? Or maybe Trump? Now I get to choose between the greater of two evils. That seems more satisfying somehow.
Posted by: Tom G at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (SG9B5)
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Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:13 PM (zOTsN)
How is that stupid?
Or was that sarcasm? My filter is a little jiggy.
How is that stupid?
Or was that sarcasm? My filter is a little jiggy.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (IgRG/)
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don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies.
Name one totalitarian tendency
don't support him because he is objectively an liberal progressive with totalitarian tendencies.
Name one totalitarian tendency
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (lKyWE)
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Hi Bernie Bros, it's that Hippy Chick you want to schtupp and totally not that fat Reich Winger joncelli! I think you should consider Jill Stein as your Bernie alternative! She's a socialist just like Bernie, she wants to horribly cripple the infrastructure of capitalism just like Bernie, and she might even be a heterosexual! Although I don't know if that's like Bernie. Dude's kinda creepy.
Anyway, you should vote for Jill Stein and then maybe we can get high and I'll give you a handjob, because there ain't no way I'm spreading my legs for a loser like you. I mean, take a bath, 'kay? Then maybe pokey pokey.
Anyway, you should vote for Jill Stein and then maybe we can get high and I'll give you a handjob, because there ain't no way I'm spreading my legs for a loser like you. I mean, take a bath, 'kay? Then maybe pokey pokey.
Posted by: Totally That Hippy Chick at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (RD7QR)
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And what's your assessment of Hillary's potential SC picks?
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is false hope.
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is false hope.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (gmeXX)
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Looked at FB pages of the two kids who were murdered in Ft Myers. The 14 y/o hadnt posted since he was 10. Both looked very wholesome. 18 y/o was only interested in basketball and was intending on going to college. What a shame. Looked at the event flier and it also looked clean.
Looked at FB pages of the two kids who were murdered in Ft Myers. The 14 y/o hadnt posted since he was 10. Both looked very wholesome. 18 y/o was only interested in basketball and was intending on going to college. What a shame. Looked at the event flier and it also looked clean.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (iQIUe)
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For all your certainty that Trump would appoint people who care about the Second Amendment, I see no evidence that HE even cares about that other than to fool suckers into voting for him.
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He released his list of SCOTUS appointees. Its a stellar list.
You people are in denial and "making shit up as we go" now territory.
Go away. You're boring, trite, bitter and becoming dishonest.
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He released his list of SCOTUS appointees. Its a stellar list.
You people are in denial and "making shit up as we go" now territory.
Go away. You're boring, trite, bitter and becoming dishonest.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (8XRCm)
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There really isn't much to consider.
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
There is no set of circumstances or events that would make me not vote for Trump.
We can survive Trump, and we may be able to effect change through him, we will not with the FAB in the Oval Office.
Posted by: Kreplach
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That is the absolute perfect way to put it.
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
There is no set of circumstances or events that would make me not vote for Trump.
We can survive Trump, and we may be able to effect change through him, we will not with the FAB in the Oval Office.
Posted by: Kreplach
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That is the absolute perfect way to put it.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (m3iiU)
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I want someone who would kick that evil old man in the nuts not help him.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:17 PM (Bbcs8)
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The Enwidening.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:17 PM (nIGPZ)
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Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (2NLtQ)
It was not that long ago that we elected Republican Governors...
and voted against Gay Marriage...
You need to tailor your message to Calif. issues... but it could be done.
It was not that long ago that we elected Republican Governors...
and voted against Gay Marriage...
You need to tailor your message to Calif. issues... but it could be done.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:17 PM (qf6WZ)
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP
would do everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize
that is false hope.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (gmeXX)
Probably?! Probably?!
Your head is probably in the sand then. Ain't no probably about it.
would do everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize
that is false hope.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (gmeXX)
Probably?! Probably?!
Your head is probably in the sand then. Ain't no probably about it.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:17 PM (Enq6K)
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When the burning times come, the silver lining will be getting to blame everybody else for their very bad, awful, no good, horrible, primary choice. You made me a Hillary voter, now hang your heads in shame!
Posted by: Bill Kristol at July 25, 2016 12:17 PM (jYnsn)
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>>They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do everything
they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is false hope.
After the way Congress rolled over for Obama you have hope they'll find their spines for Hillary?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is false hope.
After the way Congress rolled over for Obama you have hope they'll find their spines for Hillary?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:17 PM (NOIQH)
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Biggest lie in this entire election has been...
"Trump will be as bad as Hillary as President".
You have to be delusional to believe that.
For a hypothetical - Trump in a comparable situation to Benghazi would do everything he could to get our people out, including leveling half the city. If he failed he at least would get revenge by then leveling the whole thing. The message would be sent throughout the Islamic world, kill Americans and you will get crushed.
"Trump will be as bad as Hillary as President".
You have to be delusional to believe that.
For a hypothetical - Trump in a comparable situation to Benghazi would do everything he could to get our people out, including leveling half the city. If he failed he at least would get revenge by then leveling the whole thing. The message would be sent throughout the Islamic world, kill Americans and you will get crushed.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (KhJh8)
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he minute you guys chose Trump, you virtually guaranteed that no justices who actually care about the Constitution would be nominated.
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I guess you missed the list of possible SC Nominees he put out ha?
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I guess you missed the list of possible SC Nominees he put out ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (zp+j1)
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But, its time for a pear shaped crone who screeches. It's her turn!
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (oDCMR)
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Your head is probably in the sand then. Ain't no probably about it.
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I know they would be bad. Is that what you want to hear.
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I know they would be bad. Is that what you want to hear.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (gmeXX)
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And what's your assessment of Hillary's potential SC picks?
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do
everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is
false hope.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM
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Loretta Lynch is at the very top of her list.
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do
everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is
false hope.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM
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Loretta Lynch is at the very top of her list.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (2NLtQ)
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A couple of gaffes from Trump going off message again, trumpeted loudly by the Democratic operatives with bylines who masquerade as a press corps, and it's back to being Hillary's race to lose.
So far, none of Trump's gaffes have hurt him in polling. Whether that reflects actual voter attitudes or not, I have no idea. But all variations have been within the margin of error before this one, if you took the polls as an aggregate (that is, ignore outliers and look at an average).
Personally, I still think polls are a pile of waste matter and to be ignored at least until, say, late September. And even then, they're only useful to see trends, not snapshots.
So far, none of Trump's gaffes have hurt him in polling. Whether that reflects actual voter attitudes or not, I have no idea. But all variations have been within the margin of error before this one, if you took the polls as an aggregate (that is, ignore outliers and look at an average).
Personally, I still think polls are a pile of waste matter and to be ignored at least until, say, late September. And even then, they're only useful to see trends, not snapshots.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (39g3+)
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Torquewrench, I have no problem with Hillary starting wars. I have no problem with Trump starting wars. If they are defending innocent people, they are righteous and I'm fine with that (now, I might have problems with the execution, as in Libya, but that's another story). It doesn't make either of them warmongers.
Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go.
Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
Posted by: Afroman at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (SQ5Y2)
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Jeff W
Is stupid that the republicans abstained from campaigning during the dem convention as some sort of half assed professional courtesy
That's stupid as shit
Trump is campaigning in only swing states during the dem convention. No doubt responding to dem convention memes and the media on the way, stealing headlines and press
Jeff W
Is stupid that the republicans abstained from campaigning during the dem convention as some sort of half assed professional courtesy
That's stupid as shit
Trump is campaigning in only swing states during the dem convention. No doubt responding to dem convention memes and the media on the way, stealing headlines and press
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (8XRCm)
To be fair, he also declared he didn't feel bound by that list at all, either.
But even the unknown in this case is a better chance than the known.
To be fair, he also declared he didn't feel bound by that list at all, either.
But even the unknown in this case is a better chance than the known.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (IgRG/)
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I guess you missed the list of possible SC Nominees he put out ha?
I would really love to believe that list, but it requires believing that Trump will nominate justices who will tell Trump "no, you can't do that."
I would really love to believe that list, but it requires believing that Trump will nominate justices who will tell Trump "no, you can't do that."
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (2lndx)
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losing votes with each word...
It's been shown that Hillary's numbers decline the more people are exposed to her.
Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (Zs4uk)
Exactly. It's the " Hillary Standard" :-) BernBots far outnumber NeverTrumpers too, so there's that also.
It's been shown that Hillary's numbers decline the more people are exposed to her.
Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (Zs4uk)
Exactly. It's the " Hillary Standard" :-) BernBots far outnumber NeverTrumpers too, so there's that also.
Posted by: Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (yNyJy)
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Hillzebub: You know, there's a double standard when it comes to corruption and Hilldog. Why is my every little felony such a big deal?
http://tinyurl.com/h593jp5
Whiney crybully looks good on you, Hillz. Not everybody can pull it off.
http://tinyurl.com/h593jp5
Whiney crybully looks good on you, Hillz. Not everybody can pull it off.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (s2zdt)
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Hillary wants to bring in how many refugees? Over 10,000 right? I do not want America to become Germany - suicide bombings on a weekly basis.
Posted by: IC at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (a0IVu)
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To be fair, every time I get resigned to a Hillary! regime, she (or her press sycophants) do something to make me want to Vote Trump just to keep that harridan away from power.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer
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what he said.. all of it...
Posted by: Jeff Weimer
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what he said.. all of it...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (so+oy)
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Prager to me has been the clearest on the this whole "To vote or not to vote Trump."
I don't agree with everything he says but he makes it about as clear as it can get. The left must be stopped.
I don't agree with everything he says but he makes it about as clear as it can get. The left must be stopped.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (R5HRU)
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And what's your assessment of Hillary's potential SC picks?
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is false hope.
Posted by: SH
Hillary will get her appointments, the Senate won't delay this for 4-8 years.
Not going to happen.
And Trump has repeatedly said he will appoint justices like Scalia.
The idea that he's going to put some hard lefty on the Court like Hillary (with Mike Pence as his VP) is absurd and the NeverTrumpers know it.
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They would probably be bad. I would hope the GOP would do everything they can to oppose them in the Senate. I realize that is false hope.
Posted by: SH
Hillary will get her appointments, the Senate won't delay this for 4-8 years.
Not going to happen.
And Trump has repeatedly said he will appoint justices like Scalia.
The idea that he's going to put some hard lefty on the Court like Hillary (with Mike Pence as his VP) is absurd and the NeverTrumpers know it.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (Jzg4b)
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So, are we going to remove Ace's tick, or what?
So, are we going to remove Ace's tick, or what?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
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Reality has set in (he says with great hope): if you judge that your only choice this election is to vote against, rather than for, a particular candidate then voting for the execrable Trump as against the corrupt criminal Clinton is the majority (plurality) decision.
This week, at least.
This week, at least.
Posted by: steve walsh at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (qRZ5f)
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Is 5 points a big bounce? I didnt think so but the msm says it is.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
5 points is average, but three things:
1. It's a bouncy average, with a wide range over a short number of runs. For example a zero Romney bounce in 2012 and double digits for Carter in 1980. So the average is sorta junk.
2. The baseline polling company of the average, Gallup, isn't polling the race this year. So, apples to oranges.
3. Uhhh -- I forget what the third one is.
Is 5 points a big bounce? I didnt think so but the msm says it is.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
5 points is average, but three things:
1. It's a bouncy average, with a wide range over a short number of runs. For example a zero Romney bounce in 2012 and double digits for Carter in 1980. So the average is sorta junk.
2. The baseline polling company of the average, Gallup, isn't polling the race this year. So, apples to oranges.
3. Uhhh -- I forget what the third one is.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (kdS6q)
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I know they would be bad. Is that what you want to hear.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (gmeXX)
What I want to hear? No.
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (gmeXX)
What I want to hear? No.
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:21 PM (Enq6K)
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Hillary saying she has confidence and optimism
She doesn't sound confident or optimistic.
She sounds rage filled.
She doesn't sound confident or optimistic.
She sounds rage filled.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:21 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (zOTsN)
That's what I thought. It seemed like you were saying Trump was stupid for doing it, not the GOP for not doing it before.
That's what I thought. It seemed like you were saying Trump was stupid for doing it, not the GOP for not doing it before.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:21 PM (IgRG/)
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Wasnt there a movie about a guy who thought he had a tick on his neck but it was a tiny head that talked?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:21 PM (iQIUe)
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Is Shep Smith gay? I'm asking for a friend.
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 25, 2016 12:21 PM (oDCMR)
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The guy beat 16 professional campaigns.
If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him.
If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 12:21 PM (s/EUv)
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OT:
Anyone know what's going on in Somalia that we're sending troops there? Friend just told me her Army son is going there next month. Not sure what he does, but I know he's not special forces/Ranger etc.
Anyone know what's going on in Somalia that we're sending troops there? Friend just told me her Army son is going there next month. Not sure what he does, but I know he's not special forces/Ranger etc.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (Lsu4e)
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Polls, as in what I hang the warsh on?
Posted by: Hip Grammy Hil' at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (k8tEg)
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To be fair, he also declared he didn't feel bound by that list at all, either.
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To be fair..... linky please.
Cuz that didnt happen.
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To be fair..... linky please.
Cuz that didnt happen.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (8XRCm)
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Johnson/Weld -16
Posted by: Derptastic at July 25, 2016 11:40 AM (b8jcS)
Just like JB Weld, except it doesn't work.
Posted by: Derptastic at July 25, 2016 11:40 AM (b8jcS)
Just like JB Weld, except it doesn't work.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (htBb9)
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#NeverTrumpers keep saying that Trump could be as bad or worse than Hellary.
There's an admission there that many don't want to accept.
"As bad as'
"Or Worse"
The baseline for bad government is Hellary, admitted even by NeverTrumpers.
In their humble opinions Trump MAY be as bad, or MAY be worse.
Comparing a known bad entity against an opinion of what COULD be (I really gotta learn Italican) seems like a bad intellectual bet.
Since many of the NeverTrumpers aren't dumb, I can only surmise that emotions are overruling thought.
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There's an admission there that many don't want to accept.
"As bad as'
"Or Worse"
The baseline for bad government is Hellary, admitted even by NeverTrumpers.
In their humble opinions Trump MAY be as bad, or MAY be worse.
Comparing a known bad entity against an opinion of what COULD be (I really gotta learn Italican) seems like a bad intellectual bet.
Since many of the NeverTrumpers aren't dumb, I can only surmise that emotions are overruling thought.
.02
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (kKHcp)
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So, are we going to remove Ace's tick, or what?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
This is what AtC's flamethrower is for, isn't it?
So, are we going to remove Ace's tick, or what?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
This is what AtC's flamethrower is for, isn't it?
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Country Boy at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (oO+cT)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (nIGPZ)
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I will be making my decision about an hour before the polls close. It's really a cop out though because I will vote for Trump if it seems close in Texas but probably won't if a large lead is projected. Admittedly I won't have a legitimate voice to complain either way after the election.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (W9BSD)
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What's this I hear about campaigning during the DNC. That's just not done, you dungaree wearing miscreants!
Posted by: George Will at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (UPYhp)
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The idea that he's going to put some hard lefty on the Court like Hillary (with Mike Pence as his VP) is absurd and the NeverTrumpers know it.
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How is Mike Pence going to stop him from doing whatever he wants to do?
I hope you guys are right, but I have this feeling that the minute he gets pushback from the Dems, he'll nominate a compromise candidate that the GOP cannot oppose since their man nominated him.
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How is Mike Pence going to stop him from doing whatever he wants to do?
I hope you guys are right, but I have this feeling that the minute he gets pushback from the Dems, he'll nominate a compromise candidate that the GOP cannot oppose since their man nominated him.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (gmeXX)
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I would really love to believe that list, but it requires believing that Trump will nominate justices who will tell Trump "no, you can't do that."
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (2lndx)
A) Trump may have big mouth and talk before he thinks. And since he is not a career politician, that is not a surprise, but there is not evidence he does not take advice from experts and no evidence he has ever done anything "illegal". And I don't mean some technical business violations which, if your in business are impossible to avoid at times
B) There is NO chance any FAB SC Nominee will defend the Constituation
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (2lndx)
A) Trump may have big mouth and talk before he thinks. And since he is not a career politician, that is not a surprise, but there is not evidence he does not take advice from experts and no evidence he has ever done anything "illegal". And I don't mean some technical business violations which, if your in business are impossible to avoid at times
B) There is NO chance any FAB SC Nominee will defend the Constituation
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (zp+j1)
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I think its an AWESOME idea to campaign in swing states during the dem convention
I am astounded it didn't happen before Trump
I am astounded it didn't happen before Trump
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Chelsea at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (U0lQa)
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I'll be convinced to vote for Trump as soon as he leads the polls in my voting state of Massachusetts. Until then my vote for anyone other than HRC is pointless.
Posted by: steve walsh at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (qRZ5f)
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If you're #NeverTrump you are for #It'sFuckingOver.
I only hope most all the nevers vote in CA and NY and MA and DE.
I only hope most all the nevers vote in CA and NY and MA and DE.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (U6f54)
Posted by: NativeNH at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (q7qYC)
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She will appoint at least 3 national socialists to the SC if elected.
Shouldn't that be Trans-National Socialists,
or Dis-National.
Shouldn't that be Trans-National Socialists,
or Dis-National.
Posted by: DaveA at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (8J/Te)
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290 OT:
Anyone know what's going on in Somalia that we're sending troops there? Friend just told me her Army son is going there next month. Not sure what he does, but I know he's not special forces/Ranger etc.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (Lsu4e)
We have bases in Djibouti, but I don't know about Somalia...is it a UN obligation?
Anyone know what's going on in Somalia that we're sending troops there? Friend just told me her Army son is going there next month. Not sure what he does, but I know he's not special forces/Ranger etc.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (Lsu4e)
We have bases in Djibouti, but I don't know about Somalia...is it a UN obligation?
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (RD7QR)
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I think Trump can win.
I think he is to the left of Clinton on trade and foreign policy, and agrees with her as regards the role of government and the power of the executive.
Most of all, I think having at least a decade, probably more, with two big-government, authoritarian parties, neither of which even pays lip service to Constitutional Conservatism, may be worse then four years of a wounded Clinton.
I think he is to the left of Clinton on trade and foreign policy, and agrees with her as regards the role of government and the power of the executive.
Most of all, I think having at least a decade, probably more, with two big-government, authoritarian parties, neither of which even pays lip service to Constitutional Conservatism, may be worse then four years of a wounded Clinton.
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (mFkVC)
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If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him.
Too many politicians, at least Republicans, change what worked the moment they become the official nominee (or, if you're Fred Thompson, the moment you officially enter the primaries...)
Too many politicians, at least Republicans, change what worked the moment they become the official nominee (or, if you're Fred Thompson, the moment you officially enter the primaries...)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (2lndx)
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Word is that while she was a representative, she was actually somewhat reasonable and could be negotiated with. She didn't full batshit until she became DNC chair.
Posted by: Insomniac
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As far as I know, she still is a Representative.
Posted by: Insomniac
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As far as I know, she still is a Representative.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (so+oy)
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What I want to hear? No.
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
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I'm convinced. I think both will nominate liberals to the court. Obviously, there is probably a better chance that Hillary will nominate a liberal since that is an absolutely certainty. But in the end, I think Trump will too. But that's just my opinion. It isn't the sure thing that Hillary's is.
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
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I'm convinced. I think both will nominate liberals to the court. Obviously, there is probably a better chance that Hillary will nominate a liberal since that is an absolutely certainty. But in the end, I think Trump will too. But that's just my opinion. It isn't the sure thing that Hillary's is.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
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"Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go."
Yeah, that's unsat. However, Hillary is fine with ISIS killing your family members, so add that nugget into your calculus.
Yeah, that's unsat. However, Hillary is fine with ISIS killing your family members, so add that nugget into your calculus.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (eSQgj)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (UPYhp)
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There really isn't much to consider.
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
There is no set of circumstances or events that would make me not vote for Trump.
We can survive Trump, and we may be able to effect change through him, we will not with the FAB in the Oval Office.
Posted by: Kreplach
This election is testing the "vote for the lesser evil" scheme to destruction.
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
There is no set of circumstances or events that would make me not vote for Trump.
We can survive Trump, and we may be able to effect change through him, we will not with the FAB in the Oval Office.
Posted by: Kreplach
This election is testing the "vote for the lesser evil" scheme to destruction.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (IgRG/)
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"Is Shep Smith gay? I'm asking for a friend."
As my late dad would say, Shep's a three dollar bill.
As my late dad would say, Shep's a three dollar bill.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (OD2ni)
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Anyone know what's going on in Somalia that we're sending troops there? Friend just told me her Army son is going there next month. Not sure what he does, but I know he's not special forces/Ranger etc.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (Lsu4e)
LOL...Nobody who really knows would tell you and anyone who tell's you does NOT know.
and THAT I can assure you of
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (Lsu4e)
LOL...Nobody who really knows would tell you and anyone who tell's you does NOT know.
and THAT I can assure you of
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (zp+j1)
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America is great she says
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If Hillary runs a "America is already great enough" campaign she'll lose. It will be 1980 all over again...
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How would you get out of the Trump corner?
He's exposed the truth that things are horrible in America right now; 69%+ of America agrees.
And he's painted her as the 3rd term of all those horrible polices.
America is great she says
***
If Hillary runs a "America is already great enough" campaign she'll lose. It will be 1980 all over again...
==========
How would you get out of the Trump corner?
He's exposed the truth that things are horrible in America right now; 69%+ of America agrees.
And he's painted her as the 3rd term of all those horrible polices.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (77emZ)
319
Biggest lie in this entire election has been...
"Trump will be as bad as Hillary as President".
You have to be delusional to believe that.
Oh, I could see him possibly being as bad, but it would be a different flavor of bad. Instead of evil and communist, corrupt and incompetent flailing crazy.
"Trump will be as bad as Hillary as President".
You have to be delusional to believe that.
Oh, I could see him possibly being as bad, but it would be a different flavor of bad. Instead of evil and communist, corrupt and incompetent flailing crazy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (39g3+)
320
So, are we going to remove Ace's tick, or what?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
>whips out Kabar
Sure. You hold 'em.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
>whips out Kabar
Sure. You hold 'em.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (kKHcp)
321
What makes you think Trump won't do all of that stuff?
***
He might. He has been all over the board in what he will do if he wins.
But the point is simply that Trump, at his worst, would do the same things we *know* Hillary *will* do.
***
He might. He has been all over the board in what he will do if he wins.
But the point is simply that Trump, at his worst, would do the same things we *know* Hillary *will* do.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (X7E8f)
322
I knew Margaret Thatcher. You, madam, are no Margaret Thatcher. Spit!
I knew Margaret Thatcher. You, madam, are no Margaret Thatcher. Spit!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (iQIUe)
323
297 Is Shep Smith gay? I'm asking for a friend.
No, but his boyfriend is.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (nIGPZ)
No no, Shep can't be gay, in fact he's always asking why these faggots are always sticking their dicks in his mouth.
No, but his boyfriend is.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (nIGPZ)
No no, Shep can't be gay, in fact he's always asking why these faggots are always sticking their dicks in his mouth.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (ODxAs)
325
I only hope most all the nevers vote in CA and NY and MA and DE.
I expect quite a few of them are in DC or MD.
I expect quite a few of them are in DC or MD.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (2lndx)
326
I'm convinced. I think both will nominate liberals to the court. Obviously, there is probably a better chance that Hillary will nominate a liberal since that is an absolutely certainty. But in the end, I think Trump will too. But that's just my opinion. It isn't the sure thing that Hillary's is.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
Honestly, is that *any* different than any GOP President in the past?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
Honestly, is that *any* different than any GOP President in the past?
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (IgRG/)
327
Wait... we're cutting off Aces dick now???
Wait... we're cutting off Aces dick now???
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (8XRCm)
328
199: I think it is a big bounce considering the clusterfuck that was the convention.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (UBzPO)
329
And you'll notice that those pussies at NRO wouldn't let CAC use plaid in any of his maps!
Wimps.
Wimps.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (LdMbv)
330
320 So, are we going to remove Ace's tick, or what?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
>whips out Kabar
Sure. You hold 'em.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (kKHcp)
Kabar? Pfft.
*fires up Husqvarna*
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (iQIUe)
>whips out Kabar
Sure. You hold 'em.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (kKHcp)
Kabar? Pfft.
*fires up Husqvarna*
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:26 PM (0mRoj)
331
"America is not a race, and its not racist to defend America"
Posted by: Line for Trump, Gratis at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (k8tEg)
332
I'm convinced. I think both will nominate liberals to the court. Obviously, there is probably a better chance that Hillary will nominate a liberal since that is an absolutely certainty. But in the end, I think Trump will too. But that's just my opinion. It isn't the sure thing that Hillary's is.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
So your ignoring the List Trump put out that was universally praised by Conservatives?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
So your ignoring the List Trump put out that was universally praised by Conservatives?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (zp+j1)
333
I'm convinced. I think both will nominate liberals
to the court. Obviously, there is probably a better chance that Hillary
will nominate a liberal since that is an absolutely certainty. But in
the end, I think Trump will too. But that's just my opinion. It isn't
the sure thing that Hillary's is.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
And you think Trump will nominate liberals based on what exactly?
to the court. Obviously, there is probably a better chance that Hillary
will nominate a liberal since that is an absolutely certainty. But in
the end, I think Trump will too. But that's just my opinion. It isn't
the sure thing that Hillary's is.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
And you think Trump will nominate liberals based on what exactly?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (Enq6K)
334
I guess you missed the list of possible SC Nominees he put out ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM_________I'd wager the odds of him actually nominating anyone on the list are remote. I suspect it was mere campaign rhetoric.
TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM_________I'd wager the odds of him actually nominating anyone on the list are remote. I suspect it was mere campaign rhetoric.
TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (2NLtQ)
335
ANSBACH
Germany Bomber Left Video Pledge to ISIS
============
Yep. No connection...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM
~~~~~
Any word on the wounded yet? I'm concerned because we have an army base very near there. Praying none of our peeps were hurt.
Germany Bomber Left Video Pledge to ISIS
============
Yep. No connection...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:11 PM
~~~~~
Any word on the wounded yet? I'm concerned because we have an army base very near there. Praying none of our peeps were hurt.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (Lsu4e)
336
The idea that he's going to put some hard lefty on the Court like Hillary (with Mike Pence as his VP) is absurd and the NeverTrumpers know it.
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How is Mike Pence going to stop him from doing whatever he wants to do?
I hope you guys are right, but I have this feeling that the minute he gets pushback from the Dems, he'll nominate a compromise candidate that the GOP cannot oppose since their man nominated him.
Posted by: SH
The point is, Trump's pick for VP was a REALLY conservative Republican.
The charge I kept hearing was that Trump deep down was super liberal and after getting the nom, he was going to let his freak flag fly. Instead, he chose one of the most conservative Governors in the US.
Now the goal post is being moved to where "once he's President, he'll let the mask fall"
I honestly believe Trump will have a team of trusted conservatives like Newt advising him on SC picks and he will do MUCH better with this than Hillary who will simply appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburg type justices.
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How is Mike Pence going to stop him from doing whatever he wants to do?
I hope you guys are right, but I have this feeling that the minute he gets pushback from the Dems, he'll nominate a compromise candidate that the GOP cannot oppose since their man nominated him.
Posted by: SH
The point is, Trump's pick for VP was a REALLY conservative Republican.
The charge I kept hearing was that Trump deep down was super liberal and after getting the nom, he was going to let his freak flag fly. Instead, he chose one of the most conservative Governors in the US.
Now the goal post is being moved to where "once he's President, he'll let the mask fall"
I honestly believe Trump will have a team of trusted conservatives like Newt advising him on SC picks and he will do MUCH better with this than Hillary who will simply appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburg type justices.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (Jzg4b)
337
Low Information Voter: How did he get a bump from a Dark Angry Hateful Dark speech from the DarkNET?
Hillary will get a bump too, when she tells that joke that she knows.
Hillary will get a bump too, when she tells that joke that she knows.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (zOTsN)
339
This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously, not
simply by stringing together a series of Twitter argumentative memes
that substitute for thought.
It is a serious choice, whether one should cast their vote for one of the major parties, or a third party, or to knowingly abstain from voting. I've never joined Twitter, so I really don't know about all the "Twitter argumentative memes." Trying to reduce thought to 140 characters (or however long it is) is guaranteed to result in truncated thinking, no matter the ultimate conclusion.
Any candidate who gets the nomination of a major party has a chance to win. Even McCain and Romney had a chance to win. Trump does too -- the only question is whether that chance is negligible or serious.
The GOP has struggled on the national stage recently. Democrats frequently point out that the GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. When one way of winning no longer works, its healthy for the system to spawn off an opposition party that can truly be competitive.
That is not to say that the new party's platform would be correct -- the Democrats have been elected for years spouting incorrect nonsense. It would be sad turn (and a mark of us as an unserious nation) if the only viable political options are two parties that hold fast to incorrect nonsense. Sad -- but it may be that is what is happening.
This is a serious choice and should be considered seriously, not
simply by stringing together a series of Twitter argumentative memes
that substitute for thought.
It is a serious choice, whether one should cast their vote for one of the major parties, or a third party, or to knowingly abstain from voting. I've never joined Twitter, so I really don't know about all the "Twitter argumentative memes." Trying to reduce thought to 140 characters (or however long it is) is guaranteed to result in truncated thinking, no matter the ultimate conclusion.
Any candidate who gets the nomination of a major party has a chance to win. Even McCain and Romney had a chance to win. Trump does too -- the only question is whether that chance is negligible or serious.
The GOP has struggled on the national stage recently. Democrats frequently point out that the GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. When one way of winning no longer works, its healthy for the system to spawn off an opposition party that can truly be competitive.
That is not to say that the new party's platform would be correct -- the Democrats have been elected for years spouting incorrect nonsense. It would be sad turn (and a mark of us as an unserious nation) if the only viable political options are two parties that hold fast to incorrect nonsense. Sad -- but it may be that is what is happening.
Posted by: Revenant at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (3DSAh)
340
After 2012 the mantra was L.I.B. and continued cheering for SMOD to arrive from the heavens. A Clinton vote could expedite this but a Trump vote could possibly bring it about quicker. With Kankles we fully know what to expect, but with Trump we just have a inkling, kindling, and a overall trajectory with no defined point of impact. Officially, I'm going Trump because I'm tired of the Clintons (so voting against someone) but in the dark recesses of my inner working I'm voting for Trump for the potential chaos he brings. If not to the country (hopefully) but to the establishment that helped create him.
OT: Thank you AOS for not going all Hot Air'y and use FB comment system - since they did, that site has become stagnant and the commentary extremely empty. Here and Insty are my sites of choice now to read the comments.
OT: Thank you AOS for not going all Hot Air'y and use FB comment system - since they did, that site has become stagnant and the commentary extremely empty. Here and Insty are my sites of choice now to read the comments.
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (laQYo)
341
Which is the opposite of her primary campaign of gloom and doom.
***
Democrats have had this odd argument of late that things have gotten so much worse in the last few years that we need real change...so make sure to not rock the boat by voting for people that will change anything.
***
Democrats have had this odd argument of late that things have gotten so much worse in the last few years that we need real change...so make sure to not rock the boat by voting for people that will change anything.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (X7E8f)
342
"The guy beat 16 professional campaigns."
For certain values of "professional campaign".
Most of those campaigns were run by the same utterly inept establishment-GOP consultantocracy who produced the feeble McCain '08 and Romney '12 efforts.
For certain values of "professional campaign".
Most of those campaigns were run by the same utterly inept establishment-GOP consultantocracy who produced the feeble McCain '08 and Romney '12 efforts.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (noWW6)
343
Hillary Clinton is an Exitiction Level Event, Trump is not.
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In the end, I just don't believe it. She is bad, she is awful. But I do not believe she will destroy this country.
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In the end, I just don't believe it. She is bad, she is awful. But I do not believe she will destroy this country.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (gmeXX)
344
304 I'll be convinced to vote for Trump as soon as he leads the polls in my voting state of Massachusetts. Until then my vote for anyone other than HRC is pointless.
Posted by: steve walsh at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (qRZ5f)
Soooo... if enough people think like you...
and we KNOW that polls are often wrong...
Trump WILL loose....
If the Brits had voted based on your standard, BREXIT would not have passed.
304 I'll be convinced to vote for Trump as soon as he leads the polls in my voting state of Massachusetts. Until then my vote for anyone other than HRC is pointless.
Posted by: steve walsh at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (qRZ5f)
Soooo... if enough people think like you...
and we KNOW that polls are often wrong...
Trump WILL loose....
If the Brits had voted based on your standard, BREXIT would not have passed.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (qf6WZ)
345
B) There is NO chance any FAB SC Nominee will defend the Constituation
I missed the memo. What does FAB stand for? I get from context that it's Hillary, but I'm assuming we are not calling her a fabian socialist.
I missed the memo. What does FAB stand for? I get from context that it's Hillary, but I'm assuming we are not calling her a fabian socialist.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (2lndx)
346
Honestly, is that *any* different than any GOP President in the past?
Posted by: Jeff Weimer
I have a 9 step test to determine that...
Posted by: Jeff Weimer
I have a 9 step test to determine that...
Posted by: Zombie Sandra Day O'Connor at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (UPYhp)
347
Does everyone here understand burrowing? Does everyone understand just how many political appointees and "schedule c" staff are installed in government during a democrat administration? For those who want to equivocate that "Trump is the same," who understands how less than cabinet positions are assigned, how burrowing works, and the rest of the details of Washington?
The "Trump is the same as Hillary" crowd haven't the faintest understanding of Washington, the Parties, or the far left.
The "Trump is the same as Hillary" crowd haven't the faintest understanding of Washington, the Parties, or the far left.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (eSQgj)
348
And you think Trump will nominate liberals based on what exactly?
Posted by: Tami
Hurt feelings, mostly.
Posted by: Tami
Hurt feelings, mostly.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (Jzg4b)
349
If you think both candidates are equally bad, you would logically either not comment on either, or spend equal time denigrating both.
Which would mean you would either not be here, or you'd spend equal time at liberal sites denigrating Hillary. Which would mean you would be very busy.
I smell rats.
Which would mean you would either not be here, or you'd spend equal time at liberal sites denigrating Hillary. Which would mean you would be very busy.
I smell rats.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (3myMJ)
350
I'd wager the odds of him actually nominating anyone on the list are remote. I suspect it was mere campaign rhetoric.
TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (2NLtQ)
Hum?
So every stupid statement he makes is held against him like Gospel
BUT the list of Conservative Judges is remote?
Got it?
TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (2NLtQ)
Hum?
So every stupid statement he makes is held against him like Gospel
BUT the list of Conservative Judges is remote?
Got it?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (zp+j1)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
352
328 199: I think it is a big bounce considering the clusterfuck that was the convention
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Please boo
328 199: I think it is a big bounce considering the clusterfuck that was the convention
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Please boo
Posted by: Ted Cruz at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (U0lQa)
353
He's exposed the truth that things are horrible in America right now; 69%+ of America agrees.
And he's painted her as the 3rd term of all those horrible polices.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (77emZ)
I threw that one at my Wife, who is leaning Hillary (because let's face it, Trump *is* an asshole), and she changed to "I don't know this year". She despises Obama.
And he's painted her as the 3rd term of all those horrible polices.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 12:25 PM (77emZ)
I threw that one at my Wife, who is leaning Hillary (because let's face it, Trump *is* an asshole), and she changed to "I don't know this year". She despises Obama.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (IgRG/)
354
My biggest anticipated problem with a Trump presidency seems counter intuitive but I believe it will be the economy. He is unpredictable and business hates unpredictability. If he would come out and makes a couple of definitive statements on what he plans to do regard the economy in his first 100 days I think that will eliminate some of the perception of unpredictability.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (W9BSD)
355
I've been at our county fair talking to a wide variety of people the last four days. I've been in the local TEA party tent, our Constitution Bee tent, and the county Republican Party tent (since I'm on the upcoming ballot).
We are getting a lot of questions, but not one person I hear supports Hillary. The true Dems avoid us like the plague, with a look askance, and my Dem coworkers do not want to talk politics.
I answered several people on the Cruz booing, since the State Caucus selected Cruz. One of the GOP delegates, a candidate for State Senate, gave me stories about the GOP convention from her point of view.
I am a tad hopeful. I see understanding about how bad Hillary will be here in the heartland.
We are getting a lot of questions, but not one person I hear supports Hillary. The true Dems avoid us like the plague, with a look askance, and my Dem coworkers do not want to talk politics.
I answered several people on the Cruz booing, since the State Caucus selected Cruz. One of the GOP delegates, a candidate for State Senate, gave me stories about the GOP convention from her point of view.
I am a tad hopeful. I see understanding about how bad Hillary will be here in the heartland.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (hyuyC)
356
"To vote or not to vote Trump."
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To vote, or not to vote, that is the question:
Whther 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Hillzebub,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by voting end them.
Dude, do you listen to yourself when you talk?
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To vote, or not to vote, that is the question:
Whther 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Hillzebub,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by voting end them.
Dude, do you listen to yourself when you talk?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (s2zdt)
357
I missed the memo. What does FAB stand for? I get from context that it's Hillary, but I'm assuming we are not calling her a fabian socialist.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (2lndx)
I refuse to type her name or Fredo's
Fat Ass Bitch
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (2lndx)
I refuse to type her name or Fredo's
Fat Ass Bitch
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (zp+j1)
358
Trump o Soze!!! TRUMP O KEYSER SOZE!!!! KEYSER SOZE!!!
Posted by: Hungarian Guy in a Hospital Bed at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (qN4Yb)
359
"Hillary wants to bring in how many refugees? Over 10,000 right? I do not want America to become Germany - suicide bombings on a weekly basis."
Well, you'll just have to live with it because I'm too pure to allow my delicate and precious hand to vote for anybody else but my perfect imaginary candidate.
Well, you'll just have to live with it because I'm too pure to allow my delicate and precious hand to vote for anybody else but my perfect imaginary candidate.
Posted by: The anti-Trump guy with a stick up his ass and chip on his shoulder at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (Qv8F7)
360
I have this feeling that the minute he gets pushback from the Dems, he'll nominate a compromise candidate that the GOP cannot oppose since their man nominated him.
Posted by: SH
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Wait.... so youre NOW saying that Trump is a wilting wallflower seeking compromise and accomodation.???
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: SH
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Wait.... so youre NOW saying that Trump is a wilting wallflower seeking compromise and accomodation.???
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
361
If Hillary loses this election it will shatter the Democrat party into
two camps, the same way 1968 hobbled the Democrat party at least in
presidential elections.
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It will be worse than that.
In 1968, the Dems still had a huge powerbase in the South; a deep bench of Governors, legislatures, etc, people with nationwide appeal.
They have NOTHING beyond the Presidency now--the Northeast and the West Coast.
The one and only thing holding the Dem party together right now is their ability to still deliver "wins" via the Presidency--take that away and there is no reason for any of the groups to stay.
two camps, the same way 1968 hobbled the Democrat party at least in
presidential elections.
===========
It will be worse than that.
In 1968, the Dems still had a huge powerbase in the South; a deep bench of Governors, legislatures, etc, people with nationwide appeal.
They have NOTHING beyond the Presidency now--the Northeast and the West Coast.
The one and only thing holding the Dem party together right now is their ability to still deliver "wins" via the Presidency--take that away and there is no reason for any of the groups to stay.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (77emZ)
362
For a hypothetical - Trump in a comparable situation to Benghazi would do everything he could to get our people out, including leveling half the city. If he failed he at least would get revenge by then leveling the whole thing. The message would be sent throughout the Islamic world, kill Americans and you will get crushed.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (KhJh
Trump wouldn't have foolishy gone along with removing Gaddafi in the first place.Gaddafi was a bad,bad man but he hadn't really caused any trouble for the U.S. in over a decade.Trump might have tried to make him an ally against ISIS,and he might have been a good one.
For a hypothetical - Trump in a comparable situation to Benghazi would do everything he could to get our people out, including leveling half the city. If he failed he at least would get revenge by then leveling the whole thing. The message would be sent throughout the Islamic world, kill Americans and you will get crushed.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM (KhJh
Trump wouldn't have foolishy gone along with removing Gaddafi in the first place.Gaddafi was a bad,bad man but he hadn't really caused any trouble for the U.S. in over a decade.Trump might have tried to make him an ally against ISIS,and he might have been a good one.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (lKyWE)
363
Assuming that 538's polling is right, the path of least resistance for Trump is
Bush '04 states
+OH
+FL
+IA
+NV
Butthurt BernBot states
+NH
+ME-2
Bush '04 states
+OH
+FL
+IA
+NV
Butthurt BernBot states
+NH
+ME-2
Posted by: fightwinger at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (AMKhy)
364
#338
FL, OH, PA and MI
That's what he is pushing for
======================
Michigan is winnable for Trump.
FL, OH, PA and MI
That's what he is pushing for
======================
Michigan is winnable for Trump.
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (JBggj)
365
Read or watch "Clinton Cash". Hillary brings with
her a whole band of foreign tyrants and domestic sleazeballs she's been
tight with for decades. She will be carving up and selling off America
while taking away all of our rights.
Even if you believe they are
equally bad, consider that Trump is Little Leager to Hillary's MLB MVP
when it comes to corruption.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (NOIQH)
Lizzy... I think Trump is a little leaguer of corruption because of his capacity and lack of position to be as corrupt, not because of his character.
His character has been on full display in his crony business practices and the attack and lie, lie, lie style he has chosen to win the nomination.
her a whole band of foreign tyrants and domestic sleazeballs she's been
tight with for decades. She will be carving up and selling off America
while taking away all of our rights.
Even if you believe they are
equally bad, consider that Trump is Little Leager to Hillary's MLB MVP
when it comes to corruption.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:06 PM (NOIQH)
Lizzy... I think Trump is a little leaguer of corruption because of his capacity and lack of position to be as corrupt, not because of his character.
His character has been on full display in his crony business practices and the attack and lie, lie, lie style he has chosen to win the nomination.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zE5x1)
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Clinton's SC picks would probably be bad? Is that what you said, SH? Just probably? Carry on.
Posted by: Afroman at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (SQ5Y2)
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Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (gmeXX)
Then you have no concept of how DC works, who Hillary is or what she wants, and no knowledge of the far left.
Then you have no concept of how DC works, who Hillary is or what she wants, and no knowledge of the far left.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (eSQgj)
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349 If you think both candidates are equally bad, you would logically either not comment on either, or spend equal time denigrating both.
Which would mean you would either not be here, or you'd spend equal time at liberal sites denigrating Hillary. Which would mean you would be very busy.
I smell rats.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (3myMJ)
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Or maybe people are concerned with the corruption and decline of the party with which they've identified all their life and consider that more pressing and infuriating then the party they opposed continuing to act as it has for at least the last 8 years?
Which would mean you would either not be here, or you'd spend equal time at liberal sites denigrating Hillary. Which would mean you would be very busy.
I smell rats.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 25, 2016 12:28 PM (3myMJ)
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Or maybe people are concerned with the corruption and decline of the party with which they've identified all their life and consider that more pressing and infuriating then the party they opposed continuing to act as it has for at least the last 8 years?
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (mFkVC)
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We have bases in Djibouti, but I don't know about Somalia...is it a UN obligation?
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM
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No idea. In fact, she doesn't believe he knows exactly what he'll be doing either.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at July 25, 2016 12:24 PM
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No idea. In fact, she doesn't believe he knows exactly what he'll be doing either.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (Lsu4e)
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Over 10,000 right? I do not want America to become Germany - suicide bombings on a weekly basis.
Posted by: IC at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (a0IVu)
The very next day after the Paris attack Killary was asked about the numbers & that the refugees appear to be men between 20-30 yrs.old. Madam Brotherhood's response, "30k is not an unreasonable number given the suffering, blah, blah, blah" " yes, the heads of households must establish a strong footing first for their families arriving later" - which is sexist by the DNC playbook - so SHE'S A MAN, BABY!
Posted by: IC at July 25, 2016 12:20 PM (a0IVu)
The very next day after the Paris attack Killary was asked about the numbers & that the refugees appear to be men between 20-30 yrs.old. Madam Brotherhood's response, "30k is not an unreasonable number given the suffering, blah, blah, blah" " yes, the heads of households must establish a strong footing first for their families arriving later" - which is sexist by the DNC playbook - so SHE'S A MAN, BABY!
Posted by: Austin Power's Bebe Dahl at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (yNyJy)
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So every stupid statement he makes is held against him like Gospel
BUT the list of Conservative Judges is remote?
That's generally a good bet. When a politician says something stupid, like "I want to spread the wealth around", you can assume they mean it. When they say something that sounds good, like "you can keep your doctor", best to assume it's just pablum.
BUT the list of Conservative Judges is remote?
That's generally a good bet. When a politician says something stupid, like "I want to spread the wealth around", you can assume they mean it. When they say something that sounds good, like "you can keep your doctor", best to assume it's just pablum.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (2lndx)
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Wait.... so youre NOW saying that Trump is a wilting wallflower seeking compromise and accomodation.???
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
yes from the get go that was the problem with some people here...who used to call him a 'Flexible Authoritarian"? And some people got mad at me for pointing that out.
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
yes from the get go that was the problem with some people here...who used to call him a 'Flexible Authoritarian"? And some people got mad at me for pointing that out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zp+j1)
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So your ignoring the List Trump put out that was universally praised by Conservatives?
And you think Trump will nominate liberals based on what exactly?
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Not ignoring it, just not putting a lot of stock in it.
Even if he does nominate someone from that list, the Dems will oppose. Will Trump expend political capital to get someone on the court, particularly when he has not shown that he really cares about the Constitution?
I just don't see it.
And you think Trump will nominate liberals based on what exactly?
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Not ignoring it, just not putting a lot of stock in it.
Even if he does nominate someone from that list, the Dems will oppose. Will Trump expend political capital to get someone on the court, particularly when he has not shown that he really cares about the Constitution?
I just don't see it.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (gmeXX)
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Just for reference:
18 U.S. Code 599. Promise of appointment by candidate
Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
If a promise of appointment was done by a current government employee, 18 U.S. Code 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses, also could apply.
18 U.S. Code 599. Promise of appointment by candidate
Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
If a promise of appointment was done by a current government employee, 18 U.S. Code 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses, also could apply.
Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (e8kgV)
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334 I guess you missed the list of possible SC Nominees he put out ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM_________I'd wager the odds of him actually nominating anyone on the list are remote. I suspect it was mere campaign rhetoric.
TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (2NLtQ)
So your point then is that it does not matter WHAT Trump says... your mind is made up.
You will base your vote on the idea that HE is telling lies...
When you KNOW what Hillary will do with her picks.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:18 PM_________I'd wager the odds of him actually nominating anyone on the list are remote. I suspect it was mere campaign rhetoric.
TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:27 PM (2NLtQ)
So your point then is that it does not matter WHAT Trump says... your mind is made up.
You will base your vote on the idea that HE is telling lies...
When you KNOW what Hillary will do with her picks.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (qf6WZ)
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FAB = Fat Assed Bitch
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (4Hf9E)
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OH, PA, and MI. Way more important than IA
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (zOTsN)
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The "Full Otter" posts crack me up.
Wishful thinking: "We'll go to our chief political strategist, Melvin Asshat. Melvin, what are people saying about Mrs. Clinton's speech?" "Well, Jeff, most are pointing out the similarities of her speech to Otter's speech in the movie Animal House. Without the humming."
"And VP candidate Kane?" "Hard to tell Jeff, but Kane did stuff a harmonica in his mouth and asked reporters, 'What am I?'. Nobody had a good answer."
Wishful thinking: "We'll go to our chief political strategist, Melvin Asshat. Melvin, what are people saying about Mrs. Clinton's speech?" "Well, Jeff, most are pointing out the similarities of her speech to Otter's speech in the movie Animal House. Without the humming."
"And VP candidate Kane?" "Hard to tell Jeff, but Kane did stuff a harmonica in his mouth and asked reporters, 'What am I?'. Nobody had a good answer."
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (hKi6n)
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"TX SC Justice Don Willett has been poking fun at Trump for months on Twitter, yet he's on the list."
Even before Trump shortlisted him, Willett downplayed talk of a federal bench nomination, saying that he didn't want to accept a "demotion" from the Texas high court.
Willett is also way too fond of endless shallow social media trivialities for my tastes. No, Mr. Justice, I honestly don't need to see a photo of your kids eating Blue Bell ice cream *again*. I don't care if they're adorable. They're not my kids.
On the other hand: Willett ceremonially swore in Dave "Iowahawk" Burge upon Burge moving from IL to TX. Them's credentials.
Even before Trump shortlisted him, Willett downplayed talk of a federal bench nomination, saying that he didn't want to accept a "demotion" from the Texas high court.
Willett is also way too fond of endless shallow social media trivialities for my tastes. No, Mr. Justice, I honestly don't need to see a photo of your kids eating Blue Bell ice cream *again*. I don't care if they're adorable. They're not my kids.
On the other hand: Willett ceremonially swore in Dave "Iowahawk" Burge upon Burge moving from IL to TX. Them's credentials.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (noWW6)
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In the end, I just don't believe it. She is bad, she is awful. But I do not believe she will destroy this country.
Posted by: SH
Her Court appointments will.
We just had 4 justices go along with Obama's Amnesty bullshit.
If they get a few more justices, its over. The SC Court will simply strike down every conservative law passed for the next 30 years, even if we get back the White House.
Just see what happened in Texas with a law they passed where a doctor had to be at an abortion clinic that had wide public support.
Posted by: SH
Her Court appointments will.
We just had 4 justices go along with Obama's Amnesty bullshit.
If they get a few more justices, its over. The SC Court will simply strike down every conservative law passed for the next 30 years, even if we get back the White House.
Just see what happened in Texas with a law they passed where a doctor had to be at an abortion clinic that had wide public support.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (Jzg4b)
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Bumble, I also was a Cruz superfan I guess, but reality has a way of bitch slapping you and I will reluctantly vote for Trump because Hillary. Totally disappointed in Cruz and what he did at the convention. He should have stayed the hell home if he wasn't prepared to swallow his jewels and endorse Trump.
Posted by: Jaimo at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (9U1OG)
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Wait.... so youre NOW saying that Trump is a wilting wallflower seeking compromise and accomodation.???
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
No... what he is saying is Trump will not go to the wall because he doesn't value the Constitution and is not a conservative; therefore he would have no reason to push to the wall for a Constitutional conservative nominee.
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
No... what he is saying is Trump will not go to the wall because he doesn't value the Constitution and is not a conservative; therefore he would have no reason to push to the wall for a Constitutional conservative nominee.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (zE5x1)
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Posted by: The anti-Trump guy with a stick up his ass and chip on his shoulder at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (Qv8F7)
Wouldn't "Cruzer" be shorter?
Wouldn't "Cruzer" be shorter?
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (eSQgj)
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347 dagny
^^ This! ^^
The fellow travelers in the SESers rank are a big problem for America.
I hope there is someone connecting the dots and making a list of who has been particularly naughty in the last years.
We need to give those people aggressive forensic audits, and use the money recovered to pay the debt.
^^ This! ^^
The fellow travelers in the SESers rank are a big problem for America.
I hope there is someone connecting the dots and making a list of who has been particularly naughty in the last years.
We need to give those people aggressive forensic audits, and use the money recovered to pay the debt.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (hyuyC)
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The point is, Trump's pick for VP was a REALLY conservative Republican.
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Impeachment insurance. Impeach me, bitches, and you'll get a real constitutionalist then where will you be?
GOPe: OMG, NOOOOOOOOO!
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Impeachment insurance. Impeach me, bitches, and you'll get a real constitutionalist then where will you be?
GOPe: OMG, NOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (s2zdt)
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We're getting what we deserve, either doing something distasteful to prevent the Avatar of Molech on Earth taking the oath of office next January...or watching the Avatar of Molech on Earth take the oath of office next January.
It's Romans 1:28, all the way down.
It's Romans 1:28, all the way down.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (Ft3+l)
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304 I'll be convinced to vote for Trump as soon as he leads the polls in my voting state of Massachusetts. Until then my vote for anyone other than HRC is pointless.
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You are discounting the effect your vote and others for Trump has in Dark Blue states. Its a bit of the bucket of cold water tossed on a drunk. Surprisingly, the drunk notices. View voting for Trump as a bucket of cold water to sober up Feauxcohontas and her tribe.
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You are discounting the effect your vote and others for Trump has in Dark Blue states. Its a bit of the bucket of cold water tossed on a drunk. Surprisingly, the drunk notices. View voting for Trump as a bucket of cold water to sober up Feauxcohontas and her tribe.
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (oDCMR)
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So far, none of Trump's gaffes have hurt him in polling
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I have a suspicion that for the most part it isn't the gaffes that hurt a politician - it is when they do the apologize/damage control round after the gaffes that does the damage.
Remember that Obama does this too. He'll say stupid shit, get called on it, and completely ignore the call...
Now yes, Obama has the state media defending him, but I think this will work for just about any politician...
So far, none of Trump's gaffes have hurt him in polling
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I have a suspicion that for the most part it isn't the gaffes that hurt a politician - it is when they do the apologize/damage control round after the gaffes that does the damage.
Remember that Obama does this too. He'll say stupid shit, get called on it, and completely ignore the call...
Now yes, Obama has the state media defending him, but I think this will work for just about any politician...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (X7E8f)
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I am a tad hopeful.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
I have some bad news for you about that mole of yours....
At this point, what seems to have been foreclosed is the "icky-poo Trump causes a GOP-ELE" scenario that loses the Senate and House.
Now, the worst case seems to look like a 2012 loss or a 2004/00 breakeven.
I am a tad hopeful.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
I have some bad news for you about that mole of yours....
At this point, what seems to have been foreclosed is the "icky-poo Trump causes a GOP-ELE" scenario that loses the Senate and House.
Now, the worst case seems to look like a 2012 loss or a 2004/00 breakeven.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (kdS6q)
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U.S. Code 599. Promise of appointment by candidate
Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
If a promise of appointment was done by a current government employee, 18 U.S. Code 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses, also could apply.
Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (e8kgV)
he has NOT promised to appoint anyone...simple put out a list of the "TYPE" of people he "Might" select. And that very point was discussed BEFORE he put any list out so I am sure the Lawyers went over it...but Laws don't apply to The FAB so "What Difference Does It Really Make"?
Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
If a promise of appointment was done by a current government employee, 18 U.S. Code 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses, also could apply.
Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (e8kgV)
he has NOT promised to appoint anyone...simple put out a list of the "TYPE" of people he "Might" select. And that very point was discussed BEFORE he put any list out so I am sure the Lawyers went over it...but Laws don't apply to The FAB so "What Difference Does It Really Make"?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (zp+j1)
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Before the R convention, I moved from Trump can win to "it's his to lose."
Once again, I can't think of anything that will happen between now and November that will help Hillary but can think of a lot of things that can happen that will hurt her.
And then there's the DNC e-mail coming out of left field.
Expect more.
MSM shilling for Hillary will continue to lose effectiveness. Not all LIVs are stupid. Most are actually uninformed but for MSM. But the hypocrisy of their coverage will become apparent with time, and Trump can shout above it.
Trump has already passed peak negative, so attack ads won't work. His negatives are also of a different quality than Hillary's. Over two-thirds of potential voters think she's untrustworthy. If Hillary makes her convention a big Trump bashing exercise, it'll backfire.
Once again, I can't think of anything that will happen between now and November that will help Hillary but can think of a lot of things that can happen that will hurt her.
And then there's the DNC e-mail coming out of left field.
Expect more.
MSM shilling for Hillary will continue to lose effectiveness. Not all LIVs are stupid. Most are actually uninformed but for MSM. But the hypocrisy of their coverage will become apparent with time, and Trump can shout above it.
Trump has already passed peak negative, so attack ads won't work. His negatives are also of a different quality than Hillary's. Over two-thirds of potential voters think she's untrustworthy. If Hillary makes her convention a big Trump bashing exercise, it'll backfire.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 25, 2016 12:34 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Ghastly Dineria at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (oIMc/)
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Her Court appointments will.
We just had 4 justices go along with Obama's Amnesty bullshit.
If they get a few more justices, its over. The SC Court will simply strike down every conservative law passed for the next 30 years, even if we get back the White House.
Just see what happened in Texas with a law they passed where a doctor had to be at an abortion clinic that had wide public support.
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If Hillary's appointments destroy the country, then the country was probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
We just had 4 justices go along with Obama's Amnesty bullshit.
If they get a few more justices, its over. The SC Court will simply strike down every conservative law passed for the next 30 years, even if we get back the White House.
Just see what happened in Texas with a law they passed where a doctor had to be at an abortion clinic that had wide public support.
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If Hillary's appointments destroy the country, then the country was probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX)
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The point is, Trump's pick for VP was a REALLY conservative Republican.
Rememeber when Romney picked a REALLY conservative Republican?
Rememeber when Romney picked a REALLY conservative Republican?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (ODxAs)
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Bumble, I also was a Cruz superfan I guess, but
reality has a way of bitch slapping you and I will reluctantly vote for
Trump because Hillary. Totally disappointed in Cruz and what he did at
the convention. He should have stayed the hell home if he wasn't
prepared to swallow his jewels and endorse Trump.
Posted by: Jaimo at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (9U1OG)
I am not buying your "superfan" status.
reality has a way of bitch slapping you and I will reluctantly vote for
Trump because Hillary. Totally disappointed in Cruz and what he did at
the convention. He should have stayed the hell home if he wasn't
prepared to swallow his jewels and endorse Trump.
Posted by: Jaimo at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (9U1OG)
I am not buying your "superfan" status.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (zE5x1)
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372 Wait.... so youre NOW saying that Trump is a wilting wallflower seeking compromise and accomodation.???
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
yes from the get go that was the problem with some people here...who used to call him a 'Flexible Authoritarian"? And some people got mad at me for pointing that out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zp+j1)
Just leave the goalposts on the delivery truck.
I thought he was a brash opinionated jerk that was over confrontation and insistend on doing things his way.
**oils the wheels under the goalposts
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (8XRCm)
yes from the get go that was the problem with some people here...who used to call him a 'Flexible Authoritarian"? And some people got mad at me for pointing that out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zp+j1)
Just leave the goalposts on the delivery truck.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (4Hf9E)
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The "Trump is the same as Hillary" crowd haven't the faintest understanding of Washington, the Parties, or the far left.
There's a reason the best scenario for clearing out DC in my mind looks a lot like Iwo Jima--with the Marines and flamethrowers being less metaphorical than I might otherwise prefer.
There's a reason the best scenario for clearing out DC in my mind looks a lot like Iwo Jima--with the Marines and flamethrowers being less metaphorical than I might otherwise prefer.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (9krrF)
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Wouldn't "Cruzer" be shorter?
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (eSQgj)
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Nah, because lots of Cruzers (myself included) are pretty disappointed that he didn't either no show/no endorse or show up and endorse.
Wouldn't "Cruzer" be shorter?
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (eSQgj)
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Nah, because lots of Cruzers (myself included) are pretty disappointed that he didn't either no show/no endorse or show up and endorse.
Posted by: fightwinger at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (AMKhy)
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More wishful thinking:
"Mrs. Clinton, you've said you're a progressive socialist. People really want to know: Are you a local socialist or a national socialist? And if you're not a national socialist, why are you running for national office instead of local office?"
"Mrs. Clinton, you've said you're a progressive socialist. People really want to know: Are you a local socialist or a national socialist? And if you're not a national socialist, why are you running for national office instead of local office?"
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (hKi6n)
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Hilz is going to get luxuriously schlonged. Again.
Posted by: fly gal at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (8TdcF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (zp+j1)
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I see Gen. John Allen (ret. USMC) is endorsing Clinton and is to speak at the donk convention. Wasn't he one of the people in the Petraeus situation and was hanging out with Jill Kelly? She had infiltrated Central command and had hezbollah connections.
A lot of people that need things "disappeared" are attaching themselves to Clinton.
A lot of people that need things "disappeared" are attaching themselves to Clinton.
Posted by: bananaDream at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (Ag8Mw)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (zOTsN)
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351 Nearly 70% of registered voters say Hillary is untrustworthy
Boom
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
Unfortunately about 20% like that fact.
Boom
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
Unfortunately about 20% like that fact.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (bMG0w)
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (JBggj)
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he has NOT promised to appoint anyone...simple put out a list of the "TYPE" of people he "Might" select.
It sounds like you're saying he's not going to choose someone from the list.
It sounds like you're saying he's not going to choose someone from the list.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (2lndx)
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Even if you want to think Trump is only about himself and cares nothing about ideology, a right-leaning justice is simply going to be more accomodating to Trump's agenda than a liberal.
Liberal justices will act like a dictator has seized the Oval Office, I doubt they would even agree to swear him in.
This isn't 3rd dimensional chess, Trump will know where his bread his buttered.
Liberal justices will act like a dictator has seized the Oval Office, I doubt they would even agree to swear him in.
This isn't 3rd dimensional chess, Trump will know where his bread his buttered.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (Jzg4b)
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They have NOTHING beyond the Presidency now--the Northeast and the West Coast.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (77emZ)
Unfortunately, those areas are the most populous, and carry a big stick in the electoral college.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 12:30 PM (77emZ)
Unfortunately, those areas are the most populous, and carry a big stick in the electoral college.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (kKHcp)
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Not voting for Trump, or voting for Hillary puts one in the Make It Burn crowd.
May you not escape the consequences of your actions.
May you not escape the consequences of your actions.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (m3iiU)
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His character has been on full display in his crony business practices and the attack and lie, lie, lie style he has chosen to win the nomination.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zE5x1)
Yet somehow he raised some awesome Kids.... and is well respected and liked by his actual employees...
It seems that is the MEDIA and people who do NOT know him... that cast aspersions on his character....
TDS is alive and well... and helping Hillary...
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zE5x1)
Yet somehow he raised some awesome Kids.... and is well respected and liked by his actual employees...
It seems that is the MEDIA and people who do NOT know him... that cast aspersions on his character....
TDS is alive and well... and helping Hillary...
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (qf6WZ)
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Mrs. Clinton, you've said you're a progressive socialist. People really want to know: Are you a local socialist or a national socialist?
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Oooooooh..... I would LOVE to hear her say she is a national socialist........ on national TV.
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Oooooooh..... I would LOVE to hear her say she is a national socialist........ on national TV.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (8XRCm)
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he has NOT promised to appoint anyone...simple put out a list of the "TYPE" of people he "Might" select.
It sounds like you're saying he's not going to choose someone from the list.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (2lndx)
NO not at all...just pointing out he was not breaking any law
It sounds like you're saying he's not going to choose someone from the list.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 25, 2016 12:36 PM (2lndx)
NO not at all...just pointing out he was not breaking any law
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (zp+j1)
413
"No... what he is saying is Trump will not go to the wall because he doesn't value the Constitution and is not a conservative; therefore he would have no reason to push to the wall for a Constitutional conservative nominee."
Er, let's pretend that this purely imaginary scenario is dead on balls accurate.
Sigh
Contrast that with Hillary.
I still don't know who the "pure" candidate is. I'm waiting for someone to tell me who it is. In the DNCleaks Ted begged money from the left to finance his delegate fight. That seems a tad, "impure?" No? So it can't be him.
*taps chin* Who can it be? Does he exist?
Er, let's pretend that this purely imaginary scenario is dead on balls accurate.
Sigh
Contrast that with Hillary.
I still don't know who the "pure" candidate is. I'm waiting for someone to tell me who it is. In the DNCleaks Ted begged money from the left to finance his delegate fight. That seems a tad, "impure?" No? So it can't be him.
*taps chin* Who can it be? Does he exist?
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (eSQgj)
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he doesn't value the Constitution
And of course you have proof of that?
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Let's just leave it at this:
When his Court appointments turn out bad, I'll just get to say I told you so.
If they turn out good, then I'll eat a big giant crow.
There is no need to continue arguing about it.
You have faith in him on the Court - I do not.
And of course you have proof of that?
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Let's just leave it at this:
When his Court appointments turn out bad, I'll just get to say I told you so.
If they turn out good, then I'll eat a big giant crow.
There is no need to continue arguing about it.
You have faith in him on the Court - I do not.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
415
"289 The guy beat 16 professional campaigns.
If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him. "
That's actually a really interesting tactical point. There's a sort of gentleman's agreement to let each side have their 4 days, but Hillary's going second, which means Trump can just walk all over that if he cares to and she can't retaliate in kind. Some attorneys like to play nice by not interrupting with frivolous objections during their opponent's closing arguments (even though interrupting repeatedly is the best strategy), but if you gave yours first there's not really any punishment to you for talking all over your opponent's turn as long as you don't look like too much of an a-hole.
If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him. "
That's actually a really interesting tactical point. There's a sort of gentleman's agreement to let each side have their 4 days, but Hillary's going second, which means Trump can just walk all over that if he cares to and she can't retaliate in kind. Some attorneys like to play nice by not interrupting with frivolous objections during their opponent's closing arguments (even though interrupting repeatedly is the best strategy), but if you gave yours first there's not really any punishment to you for talking all over your opponent's turn as long as you don't look like too much of an a-hole.
Posted by: cjw at July 25, 2016 12:38 PM (onydf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:38 PM (zp+j1)
417
We hate Trump because he lies and does not like or support persons of color. Presdent Obama should make Trump apologize for his vicious and divisive statements. presdent Obama has done a grate job fixing the Bush mess !
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 25, 2016 12:38 PM (NuElX)
418
Them baby talkers with their pacifiers and shit.
Posted by: Killerdog at July 25, 2016 12:38 PM (gNrgn)
419
So your point then is that it does not matter WHAT Trump says... your mind is made up.
You will base your vote on the idea that HE is telling lies...
When you KNOW what Hillary will do with her picks.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM_________.
Not at all. I never mentioned any of those other things you're claim I said, and I never said "lies". I just think basing a vote on his hypothetical list is foolish and naive. OTOH, I could see more Anthony Kennedys in a Trump Presidency.
You will base your vote on the idea that HE is telling lies...
When you KNOW what Hillary will do with her picks.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM_________.
Not at all. I never mentioned any of those other things you're claim I said, and I never said "lies". I just think basing a vote on his hypothetical list is foolish and naive. OTOH, I could see more Anthony Kennedys in a Trump Presidency.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (2NLtQ)
420
The point is, Trump's pick for VP was a REALLY conservative Republican.
Rememeber when Romney picked a REALLY conservative Republican?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
So the answer is Trump should have picked a squishy New England Republican so we'll never be disappointed?
Pence has been around a while and seems to me to be pretty rock-ribbed.
It's a more conservative VP pick than Reagan made with Pappy Bush.
Rememeber when Romney picked a REALLY conservative Republican?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
So the answer is Trump should have picked a squishy New England Republican so we'll never be disappointed?
Pence has been around a while and seems to me to be pretty rock-ribbed.
It's a more conservative VP pick than Reagan made with Pappy Bush.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (Jzg4b)
421
his crony business practices
Such as?
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Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Such as?
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Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
422
For me the most important aspect for Trump is who will be have in his administration and who will be advising him. So far the people advising him and who I believe he will continue to take advice from is his family. That doesn't fill me with the confidence I need. His other go to people seem to be Newt and Christie. Not exactly my favorite two people in the world.
Needless to say , Clinton has all the top talent from Hell advising her.
Needless to say , Clinton has all the top talent from Hell advising her.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 12:40 PM (W9BSD)
423
My biggest anticipated problem with a Trump presidency seems counter
intuitive but I believe it will be the economy. He is unpredictable and
business hates unpredictability. If he would come out and makes a
couple of definitive statements on what he plans to do regard the
economy in his first 100 days I think that will eliminate some of the
perception of unpredictability.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (W9BSD)
And that doesn't even touch on his promise of tariffs.
My biggest anticipated problem with a Trump presidency seems counter
intuitive but I believe it will be the economy. He is unpredictable and
business hates unpredictability. If he would come out and makes a
couple of definitive statements on what he plans to do regard the
economy in his first 100 days I think that will eliminate some of the
perception of unpredictability.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 12:29 PM (W9BSD)
And that doesn't even touch on his promise of tariffs.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:40 PM (zE5x1)
424
The Obamas are staying in DC, and they will never STFU
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Maybe Trump can use Kelo to knock their house down
The Obamas are staying in DC, and they will never STFU
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Maybe Trump can use Kelo to knock their house down
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 12:40 PM (U0lQa)
425
If Hillary's appointments destroy the country, then the country was probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX)
OK then... you are actively rooting for the destruction of the Constitution...
Nice to know....
If Hillary's appointments destroy the country, then the country was probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX)
OK then... you are actively rooting for the destruction of the Constitution...
Nice to know....
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:40 PM (qf6WZ)
426
Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (e8kgV)
That doesn't apply to Supreme Court picks becausethe positionmust be confirmed by congress.Therefore it cannot be promised
Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 12:32 PM (e8kgV)
That doesn't apply to Supreme Court picks becausethe positionmust be confirmed by congress.Therefore it cannot be promised
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:40 PM (lKyWE)
427
A tax break is crony
No
Crony is using a public position for pay by private people
It matters if you are the hooker or the john
No
Crony is using a public position for pay by private people
It matters if you are the hooker or the john
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: The anti-Trump guy with a stick up his ass and chip on his shoulder at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (Qv8F7)
429
You have faith in him on the Court - I do not.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
NO when did I say that... I said his list was more impressive than any The FAB would put out or eventually select. And when you find one place I said I would trust him, please point it out to me. I have repeadetly said I have NO IDEA where he really stands since he has NO political record except current statements. And I also said my support for him now stem 99% from not wanting The FAB anywhere near the White House
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
NO when did I say that... I said his list was more impressive than any The FAB would put out or eventually select. And when you find one place I said I would trust him, please point it out to me. I have repeadetly said I have NO IDEA where he really stands since he has NO political record except current statements. And I also said my support for him now stem 99% from not wanting The FAB anywhere near the White House
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (zp+j1)
430
I think alot of the nevertrumpers were also nevercruzers; they were always more Jebbers. and they think hillary will still be a-ok.
I think alot of the nevertrumpers were also nevercruzers; they were always more Jebbers. and they think hillary will still be a-ok.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (ODxAs)
431
yes from the get go that was the problem with some people here...who used to call him a 'Flexible Authoritarian"? And some people got mad at me for pointing that out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zp+j1)
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Trump's only deeply held value is his narcissism.
When he perceives something as a challenge or a slight, he will be as authoritarian as possible on the matter.
For this reason (and several others), he will always be far more angry with resistance within the GOP, the people who are supposed to bow to him, then from the Democrats.
Otherwise he will show halfhearted interest or return to the lazy left-wing "commonsense" he's heard all his life.
He may put up a halfway decent judge (though not one who will limit executive power, which is what we need), but he is unlike to expend much capital pushing him through.
He will move Heaven and hell to punish Cruz or anyone else he perceives as not bowing low enough, however, riding roughshod over the Constitution to do so.
I wouldn't put it past him to nominate liberal judges just to spite Constitutionalists.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (zp+j1)
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Trump's only deeply held value is his narcissism.
When he perceives something as a challenge or a slight, he will be as authoritarian as possible on the matter.
For this reason (and several others), he will always be far more angry with resistance within the GOP, the people who are supposed to bow to him, then from the Democrats.
Otherwise he will show halfhearted interest or return to the lazy left-wing "commonsense" he's heard all his life.
He may put up a halfway decent judge (though not one who will limit executive power, which is what we need), but he is unlike to expend much capital pushing him through.
He will move Heaven and hell to punish Cruz or anyone else he perceives as not bowing low enough, however, riding roughshod over the Constitution to do so.
I wouldn't put it past him to nominate liberal judges just to spite Constitutionalists.
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (mFkVC)
432
The guy beat 16 professional campaigns.
If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him. "
At least he's not running ads on behalf of his opponent like McCain did talking about how super awesome Obama was during the Convention.
It still makes me gag.
If he thinks it's a good idea to campaign during the DNC convention, I ain't gonna second-guess him. "
At least he's not running ads on behalf of his opponent like McCain did talking about how super awesome Obama was during the Convention.
It still makes me gag.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (Jzg4b)
433
There seems to be a lot of that going around, especially in 2008 and 2012 when critics couldn't stop themselves from attacking the GOP nominee because they didn't want any responsibility should he have won.
Posted by: JohnJ at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (TF/YA)
434
380
It's already over. The court isn't going to hold up any conservative laws right now. Trump appoints a conservative justice and somebody else (hi John Roberts) just moves into the squish role for the attention and love of the elite chattering class. You will have leftist "secular" religion imposed on you by the state and like it.
The whole thing needs to be rebuilt from scratch, starting all the way back at the schools.
It's already over. The court isn't going to hold up any conservative laws right now. Trump appoints a conservative justice and somebody else (hi John Roberts) just moves into the squish role for the attention and love of the elite chattering class. You will have leftist "secular" religion imposed on you by the state and like it.
The whole thing needs to be rebuilt from scratch, starting all the way back at the schools.
Posted by: SB at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (/cTY8)
435
Maybe this has been covered on the blog, maybe not but I'm seeing more and more that Putin has somehow co-opted Trump?
What is this based on?
What is this based on?
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (R5HRU)
436
395 Redbanzi, no seriously I am a Glenn Beck listener so that should tell you where I fall on the conservative spectrum and Cruz has been my guy since the beginning, actually before that. I've done a little Trump bashing around here and HotGas, Breitbart, etc. I just couldn't believe he did what he did at the convention. I was embarrassed for him. His ego took over and he absolutely did not have to do that speech to prepare for 2020. It was arrogant and I'm pissed. That said, I feel I have no choice but to vote for Trump. I held my nose for Romney, McCain and Dole, I will hold my nose once again.
Posted by: Jaimo at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (9U1OG)
437
NO when did I say that... I said his list was more impressive than any The FAB would put out or eventually select. And when you find one place I said I would trust him, please point it out to me. I have repeadetly said I have NO IDEA where he really stands since he has NO political record except current statements. And I also said my support for him now stem 99% from not wanting The FAB anywhere near the White House
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Fine. I acknowledge his list. That's great he put it out. I think it was smart of him to do. I don't put a lot of stock in it. I acknowledge that anyone on that list will be better than Hillary.
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Fine. I acknowledge his list. That's great he put it out. I think it was smart of him to do. I don't put a lot of stock in it. I acknowledge that anyone on that list will be better than Hillary.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
438
"If Hillary's appointments destroy the country, then the country was
probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX) "
These guys always think the destruction will look like the American Revolution. It won't, it will look like the French or like the current Turks.
probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX) "
These guys always think the destruction will look like the American Revolution. It won't, it will look like the French or like the current Turks.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (eSQgj)
439
These are the paranoid delusions of the deranged
They is plenty to criticize without making things up
They is plenty to criticize without making things up
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (zOTsN)
440
Not at all. I never mentioned any of those other things you're claim I said, and I never said "lies". I just think basing a vote on his hypothetical list is foolish and naive. OTOH, I could see more Anthony Kennedys in a Trump Presidency.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (2NLtQ)
He has stated he will nominate people with the same temperament and judicial philosophy as Scalia...
You say he will nominate a squish.
ergo, you are saying he is telling a lie.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (2NLtQ)
He has stated he will nominate people with the same temperament and judicial philosophy as Scalia...
You say he will nominate a squish.
ergo, you are saying he is telling a lie.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (qf6WZ)
441
I'm thinking that with Trump in the White House, Cruz would actually be more effective in the Senate.
Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (JBggj)
442
the has NOT promised to appoint anyone...simple put out a list of the "TYPE" of people he "Might" select.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Ooo -- sorry, you just missed him. He went out to report Melenia's speech writer to the FEC for using Trump letterhead.
He'll be back after lunch.
the has NOT promised to appoint anyone...simple put out a list of the "TYPE" of people he "Might" select.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Ooo -- sorry, you just missed him. He went out to report Melenia's speech writer to the FEC for using Trump letterhead.
He'll be back after lunch.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (kdS6q)
443
Thats not a vagina
That's my maw.
Posted by: Chelsea at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (U0lQa)
..................
That's a Doomsday Machine.
A regular planet eater.
That's my maw.
Posted by: Chelsea at July 25, 2016 12:23 PM (U0lQa)
..................
That's a Doomsday Machine.
A regular planet eater.
Posted by: James T. Kirk at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (HgMAr)
444
Not ignoring it, just not putting a lot of stock in it.
Even if he does nominate someone from that list, the Dems will
oppose. Will Trump expend political capital to get someone on the
court, particularly when he has not shown that he really cares about the
Constitution?
I just don't see it.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (gmeXX)
Whole lotta conjecture going on right here.
In your mind you've played out every possible Trump scenerio and come to the conclusion that they all end badly? Aaaalllllrighty then.
Even if he does nominate someone from that list, the Dems will
oppose. Will Trump expend political capital to get someone on the
court, particularly when he has not shown that he really cares about the
Constitution?
I just don't see it.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:31 PM (gmeXX)
Whole lotta conjecture going on right here.
In your mind you've played out every possible Trump scenerio and come to the conclusion that they all end badly? Aaaalllllrighty then.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (Enq6K)
445
Laurie David's Cervix
I understand where you are coming from.
For me:
I will walk into Mordor, one step in front of the other, until I can walk no more. Then I will crawl forward.
USA! USA!
I understand where you are coming from.
For me:
I will walk into Mordor, one step in front of the other, until I can walk no more. Then I will crawl forward.
USA! USA!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (hyuyC)
446
"If Hillary's appointments destroy the country, then the country was
probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX) "
These guys always think the destruction will look like the American Revolution. It won't, it will look like the French or like the current Turks.
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I'm not the one saying the country will be destroyed.
probably already on a path to destruction. Let's get on with it I say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX) "
These guys always think the destruction will look like the American Revolution. It won't, it will look like the French or like the current Turks.
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I'm not the one saying the country will be destroyed.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (gmeXX)
447
435 Maybe this has been covered on the blog, maybe not but I'm seeing more and more that Putin has somehow co-opted Trump?
What is this based on?
Butthurt, mostly.
What is this based on?
Butthurt, mostly.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (s/EUv)
448
>> There's a sort of gentleman's agreement to let each side have their 4
days, but Hillary's going second, which means Trump can just walk all
over that if he cares to and she can't retaliate in kind.
Eh, considering that Hillary was scoring point all last week via here MSM surrogates the Trump move is not outrageous. Especially after seeing the DNC emails, does anyone thing that people from Hillary's campaign were *not* pushing narratives and talking points last week to assist the MSM with their coverage.
We've had gentlemen like McCain and Romney run, the kind who would give Obama all due respect and expect him to behave the same way. That's never worked. Time to try something new.
days, but Hillary's going second, which means Trump can just walk all
over that if he cares to and she can't retaliate in kind.
Eh, considering that Hillary was scoring point all last week via here MSM surrogates the Trump move is not outrageous. Especially after seeing the DNC emails, does anyone thing that people from Hillary's campaign were *not* pushing narratives and talking points last week to assist the MSM with their coverage.
We've had gentlemen like McCain and Romney run, the kind who would give Obama all due respect and expect him to behave the same way. That's never worked. Time to try something new.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (NOIQH)
449
nevertrumpers were also nevercruzers; they were always more Jebbers. and they think hillary will still be a-ok.
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It's a bread and butter issue. Trump takes away the butter, at least. Sometimes both.
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It's a bread and butter issue. Trump takes away the butter, at least. Sometimes both.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (U0lQa)
450
he doesn't value the Constitution
And of course you have proof of that?
To be frank, he has no real knowledge of the Constitution to value it one way or the other. Hillary on the otherhand has knowledge of it and how she and her demons can usurp it with illogical interpretations.
And of course you have proof of that?
To be frank, he has no real knowledge of the Constitution to value it one way or the other. Hillary on the otherhand has knowledge of it and how she and her demons can usurp it with illogical interpretations.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (W9BSD)
451
There's a sort of gentleman's agreement to let each side have their 4 days
A gentleman's agreement with Democrats? So, a unilateral cease-fire.
A gentleman's agreement with Democrats? So, a unilateral cease-fire.
Posted by: t-bird at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (F1ndw)
452
Win or lose, I am truly enjoying the democrat's current suffering. Fuck them all.
Posted by: Weasel at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (6xtq3)
453
Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Your shitting me right? Your actually accusing a developer and Builder of trying to get Tax Breaks? And of course you know he did not take them. He did not have that power. The Governing Authorities authorized them for their own reasons. But to blame a developer for getting Tax Breaks is laughable and I don't mean that as an insult, but show me ANY developer that did not try to get one
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Your shitting me right? Your actually accusing a developer and Builder of trying to get Tax Breaks? And of course you know he did not take them. He did not have that power. The Governing Authorities authorized them for their own reasons. But to blame a developer for getting Tax Breaks is laughable and I don't mean that as an insult, but show me ANY developer that did not try to get one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zp+j1)
454
Off Topic
Finally finished my blog post. Couch Potato reviews Black Mass The Intern
Link in nic if interested
Finally finished my blog post. Couch Potato reviews Black Mass The Intern
Link in nic if interested
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (7lVbc)
455
The Putin "connection" is courtesy of clintons campaign manager, force multiplied by the usual suspects
Posted by: runner at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (c6/9Q)
456
The Obamas are staying in DC, and they will never STFU
.................
There goes the neighborhood, or what's left of it.
.................
There goes the neighborhood, or what's left of it.
Posted by: wth at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (HgMAr)
457
"What is this based on?"
Made up narrative to take the heat off Obama, Hillary and GOPe. What would anyone expect them to say? That they are all a bunch of crooks and are going to lock themselves up for their protection and the protection of others?
Made up narrative to take the heat off Obama, Hillary and GOPe. What would anyone expect them to say? That they are all a bunch of crooks and are going to lock themselves up for their protection and the protection of others?
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (rnH8X)
458
435 Maybe this has been covered on the blog, maybe not but I'm seeing more and more that Putin has somehow co-opted Trump?
What is this based on?
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (R5HRU)
DNC talking points. The lofos absorb their spin like sponges.
What is this based on?
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (R5HRU)
DNC talking points. The lofos absorb their spin like sponges.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (eSQgj)
459
Halfrican
It's based on a DNC talking point that the never Trumpers are clinging to like a life preserver
It's based on a DNC talking point that the never Trumpers are clinging to like a life preserver
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zOTsN)
460
Want a campaign commercial???
There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
"And the Democrats said they wouldn't build a wall... Just one to keep the people with pitchforks and torches from getting to them."
There is an 8 foot high 4mile long FENCE around the Democrat convention.... with ARMED GUARDS controlling access....
"And the Democrats said they wouldn't build a wall... Just one to keep the people with pitchforks and torches from getting to them."
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (vGhPp)
461
his crony business practices
Such as?
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Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Such as inducing a government panel to condemn land that he wanted under the auspices of eminent domain (several times).
Such as his practice of not paying businesses who he bought goods or services from if he perceived that they were too small to effectively sue him.
Such as his practice of leaving business partners holding the bag when joint businesses went tits up.
Such as Trump University.
Such as?
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Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Such as inducing a government panel to condemn land that he wanted under the auspices of eminent domain (several times).
Such as his practice of not paying businesses who he bought goods or services from if he perceived that they were too small to effectively sue him.
Such as his practice of leaving business partners holding the bag when joint businesses went tits up.
Such as Trump University.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zE5x1)
462
>>What is this based on?
The desire to save Hillary's butt?
They don't need facts, they just need a competing narrative.
The desire to save Hillary's butt?
They don't need facts, they just need a competing narrative.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (NOIQH)
463
Whole lotta conjecture going on right here.
In your mind you've played out every possible Trump scenerio and come to the conclusion that they all end badly? Aaaalllllrighty then.
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Yes, I think they will end badly. They could end up good, and I hope they do. Just because I don't support Trump doesn't mean I don't want him to do good things.
In your mind you've played out every possible Trump scenerio and come to the conclusion that they all end badly? Aaaalllllrighty then.
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Yes, I think they will end badly. They could end up good, and I hope they do. Just because I don't support Trump doesn't mean I don't want him to do good things.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (gmeXX)
464
It's already over. The court isn't going to hold up any conservative laws right now. Trump appoints a conservative justice and somebody else (hi John Roberts) just moves into the squish role for the attention and love of the elite chattering class. You will have leftist "secular" religion imposed on you by the state and like it.
He'll get two picks from jump street. Scalia & Ginsberg.
He'll get two picks from jump street. Scalia & Ginsberg.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (4Hf9E)
465
409 Not voting for Trump, or voting for Hillary puts one in the Make It Burn crowd.
May you not escape the consequences of your actions.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (m3iiU)
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So, about this "NeverTrumpers will be morally responsible for Hillary"...
Ace has said one of the pleasures of a Trump presidency will be that he won't feel compelled to defend everything he does. But why not? If he votes Trump, won't he be morally responsible for the results?
I also expect to hear a lot of "Well, we never could have anticipated that he would have done that. It's not my fault." from Trump voters if he wins.
May you not escape the consequences of your actions.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at July 25, 2016 12:37 PM (m3iiU)
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So, about this "NeverTrumpers will be morally responsible for Hillary"...
Ace has said one of the pleasures of a Trump presidency will be that he won't feel compelled to defend everything he does. But why not? If he votes Trump, won't he be morally responsible for the results?
I also expect to hear a lot of "Well, we never could have anticipated that he would have done that. It's not my fault." from Trump voters if he wins.
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (mFkVC)
466
If Trump is President his SCOTUS picks will likely be like previous Republicans. For every Scalia, an O'connor. For every Thomas, a Souter.
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (7HtZB)
467
Trump's only deeply held value is his narcissism
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Name me a modern president with a normal size eqo
Trump's only deeply held value is his narcissism
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Name me a modern president with a normal size eqo
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (U0lQa)
468
453 Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Your shitting me right? Your actually accusing a developer and Builder of trying to get Tax Breaks? And of course you know he did not take them. He did not have that power. The Governing Authorities authorized them for their own reasons. But to blame a developer for getting Tax Breaks is laughable and I don't mean that as an insult, but show me ANY developer that did not try to get one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zp+j1)
Plus, this sort of thing happens all the time across a variety of industries and projects.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Your shitting me right? Your actually accusing a developer and Builder of trying to get Tax Breaks? And of course you know he did not take them. He did not have that power. The Governing Authorities authorized them for their own reasons. But to blame a developer for getting Tax Breaks is laughable and I don't mean that as an insult, but show me ANY developer that did not try to get one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zp+j1)
Plus, this sort of thing happens all the time across a variety of industries and projects.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:45 PM (0mRoj)
469
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 12:43 PM (s/EUv)
Eh, easy answer but I'd like anyone who knows a bit to speak on it.
Eh, easy answer but I'd like anyone who knows a bit to speak on it.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (R5HRU)
470
The commies start their convention yet?
Posted by: wth at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (HgMAr)
471
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zp+j1)
Hey, is SH a long time poster? I haven't been around enough to know and tend to forget bland nics.
Hey, is SH a long time poster? I haven't been around enough to know and tend to forget bland nics.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (eSQgj)
472
Of course you should be campaigning during the others convention. Why the hell not? That is when you should have your biggest ad buy across the nation 24/7. And it should include quick take ads on the false narratives of the previous day convention. Play to win.
Of course you should be campaigning during the others convention. Why the hell not? That is when you should have your biggest ad buy across the nation 24/7. And it should include quick take ads on the false narratives of the previous day convention. Play to win.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (ODxAs)
473
Oh, and whoever blew the margins, shame on you. Again I say, shame!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (0mRoj)
474
Trump's only deeply held value is his narcissism.
When he perceives something as a challenge or a slight, he will be as authoritarian as possible on the matter.
Talk is cheap...when you have an example get back to me...until then it's called an opinion and as the old saying goes: everyone has one
When he perceives something as a challenge or a slight, he will be as authoritarian as possible on the matter.
Talk is cheap...when you have an example get back to me...until then it's called an opinion and as the old saying goes: everyone has one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (zp+j1)
475
Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
And how much of taxpayer's money was being wasted BEFORE he took over the project?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
And how much of taxpayer's money was being wasted BEFORE he took over the project?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:47 PM (Enq6K)
476
Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Your shitting me right? Your actually accusing a developer and Builder of trying to get Tax Breaks?
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You asked for an example, I gave you one. I don't condone him from seeking it, but most of us believe that offering tax breaks to the powerful - which Trump was back then - is just cronyism.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
Your shitting me right? Your actually accusing a developer and Builder of trying to get Tax Breaks?
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You asked for an example, I gave you one. I don't condone him from seeking it, but most of us believe that offering tax breaks to the powerful - which Trump was back then - is just cronyism.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:47 PM (gmeXX)
477
Hey, is SH a long time poster? I haven't been around enough to know and tend to forget bland nics.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (eSQgj)
yes.. he just hates trump
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (eSQgj)
yes.. he just hates trump
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:47 PM (zp+j1)
478
Maybe this has been covered on the blog, maybe not but I'm seeing more and more that Putin has somehow co-opted Trump?
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I would presume that both Russia and China have to be concerned about America's current support for ISIS and Iran.
Obama/Clinton created the former, and are helping the latter get nuclear weapons.
If you were Putin, Trump, even if he makes America stronger again, is the better choice...
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I would presume that both Russia and China have to be concerned about America's current support for ISIS and Iran.
Obama/Clinton created the former, and are helping the latter get nuclear weapons.
If you were Putin, Trump, even if he makes America stronger again, is the better choice...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (X7E8f)
479
You have to laugh how some of the same people criticizing Obama and Clinton for waging a hashtag was against our enemies are now doing the same thing to Trump.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (KdXXc)
480
thanks, everyone
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (R5HRU)
481
Such as inducing a government panel to condemn land that he wanted under the auspices of eminent domain (several times).
Such
as his practice of not paying businesses who he bought goods or
services from if he perceived that they were too small to effectively
sue him.
Such as his practice of leaving business partners holding the bag when joint businesses went tits up.
Such as Trump University.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zE5x1)
And yet, no one died.
Would you like to address Hillary's record?
Such
as his practice of not paying businesses who he bought goods or
services from if he perceived that they were too small to effectively
sue him.
Such as his practice of leaving business partners holding the bag when joint businesses went tits up.
Such as Trump University.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM (zE5x1)
And yet, no one died.
Would you like to address Hillary's record?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (Enq6K)
482
SH is longtime
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (zOTsN)
483
And that eminent domain crap is getting old tiresome. Anyone using it aught to take a civics class
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (zp+j1)
484
he guy beat 16 professional campaigns
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I think he beat maybe 3. There were a lot of phony campaigns, like Pataki, designed to divide voters and allow Jeb to win "without the base"
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I think he beat maybe 3. There were a lot of phony campaigns, like Pataki, designed to divide voters and allow Jeb to win "without the base"
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (U0lQa)
485
Talk is cheap...when you have an example get back to me...until then it's called an opinion and as the old saying goes: everyone has one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (zp+j1)
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You are going to be constantly surprised by a Trump presidency.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (zp+j1)
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You are going to be constantly surprised by a Trump presidency.
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (mFkVC)
486
Trump 306 EV, Clinton 233 EV. End of story.
Posted by: Blogforce one at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (CG+Mw)
487
Eh, easy answer but I'd like anyone who knows a bit to speak on it.
Trump is cozy with Putin. The leaks hurt Hillary. Therefore Putin is behind it. That's about it for the theory.
Trump is cozy with Putin. The leaks hurt Hillary. Therefore Putin is behind it. That's about it for the theory.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (s/EUv)
488
Plus, this sort of thing happens all the time across a variety of industries and projects.
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Indeed it does. I didn't realize we were now in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful. NGU wanted an example of Trump's crony capitalism. I gave him one. Maybe it was a small one and a long time ago, but it was an example nonetheless.
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Indeed it does. I didn't realize we were now in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful. NGU wanted an example of Trump's crony capitalism. I gave him one. Maybe it was a small one and a long time ago, but it was an example nonetheless.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
489
NO when did I say that... I said his list was more
impressive than any The FAB would put out or eventually select. And when
you find one place I said I would trust him, please point it out to me.
I have repeadetly said I have NO IDEA where he really stands since he
has NO political record except current statements. And I also said my
support for him now stem 99% from not wanting The FAB anywhere near the
White House
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Fine. I acknowledge his list. That's great he put it out. I think
it was smart of him to do. I don't put a lot of stock in it. I
acknowledge that anyone on that list will be better than Hillary.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
The list that the Heritage Foundation put out, more like. Just as the immigration plan on Trump's site is Jeff Sessions. Trump has at various times disavowed all or parts of both. Hell, he was walking back the SCOTUS list the very day it was released.
impressive than any The FAB would put out or eventually select. And when
you find one place I said I would trust him, please point it out to me.
I have repeadetly said I have NO IDEA where he really stands since he
has NO political record except current statements. And I also said my
support for him now stem 99% from not wanting The FAB anywhere near the
White House
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Fine. I acknowledge his list. That's great he put it out. I think
it was smart of him to do. I don't put a lot of stock in it. I
acknowledge that anyone on that list will be better than Hillary.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:42 PM (gmeXX)
The list that the Heritage Foundation put out, more like. Just as the immigration plan on Trump's site is Jeff Sessions. Trump has at various times disavowed all or parts of both. Hell, he was walking back the SCOTUS list the very day it was released.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (zE5x1)
490
You are going to be constantly surprised by a Trump presidency.
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (mFkVC)
Thank YOU. I HOPE I have the chance. THANK YOU
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (mFkVC)
Thank YOU. I HOPE I have the chance. THANK YOU
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (zp+j1)
491
Hey, is SH a long time poster? I haven't been around enough to know and tend to forget bland nics.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (eSQgj)
yes.. he just hates trump
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And I like to argue.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (eSQgj)
yes.. he just hates trump
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And I like to argue.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)
492
473 Oh, and whoever blew the margins, shame on you.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (0mRoj)
What? No, I just had some ice cream!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (0mRoj)
What? No, I just had some ice cream!
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (7HtZB)
493
So every stupid statement he makes is held against him like Gospel
BUT the list of Conservative Judges is remote?
As the kids say, THIS. I can't figure out how people know for certain when Trump is being serious and means it, and when he's just mouthing off, being political, or lying. It seems based a lot less on any objective, rational standards and a lot more on personal bias:
If you like Trump, you believe all the good stuff is his real nature
If you don't like Trump, you believe all the bad stuff is his real nature.
I really can't tell. He seems to be a lot more serious and thoughtful behind his public Reality TV persona, but he's definitely rash and thoughtless in his reactions.
BUT the list of Conservative Judges is remote?
As the kids say, THIS. I can't figure out how people know for certain when Trump is being serious and means it, and when he's just mouthing off, being political, or lying. It seems based a lot less on any objective, rational standards and a lot more on personal bias:
If you like Trump, you believe all the good stuff is his real nature
If you don't like Trump, you believe all the bad stuff is his real nature.
I really can't tell. He seems to be a lot more serious and thoughtful behind his public Reality TV persona, but he's definitely rash and thoughtless in his reactions.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (39g3+)
494
"Not voting for Trump, or voting for Hillary puts one in the Make It Burn crowd.
May you not escape the consequences of your actions. "
Ah, yes. Not voting for Trump is the same as a vote for Hillary. But the Hillary people are saying that not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump. So if I don't vote for either of them, I guess I get, like, two votes? Cool!
Hillary wouldn't win this state if she were running against Satan himself, so I'm going to vote for a candidate I like (technically, one that I dislike less than Trump and Hillary). Not because that candidate has a realistic chance of winning, but because I want some fresh ideas. Your kind of thinking is exactly what's given us Trump and Hillary, and it needs to stop. Now.
May you not escape the consequences of your actions. "
Ah, yes. Not voting for Trump is the same as a vote for Hillary. But the Hillary people are saying that not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump. So if I don't vote for either of them, I guess I get, like, two votes? Cool!
Hillary wouldn't win this state if she were running against Satan himself, so I'm going to vote for a candidate I like (technically, one that I dislike less than Trump and Hillary). Not because that candidate has a realistic chance of winning, but because I want some fresh ideas. Your kind of thinking is exactly what's given us Trump and Hillary, and it needs to stop. Now.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (wvPvB)
495
Democrats are trying to seriously link the DNC email hack to a Trump-Putin conspiracy. Dear God is that the best they can do?
You have to read some of the mockery they are receiving in return. It's hilarious.
You have to read some of the mockery they are receiving in return. It's hilarious.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (KdXXc)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (ODxAs)
497
Good to see you back Ace. Your posts the past few days about the consequences of being a Never Trumper are insightful and I think very useful to helping persuade Never Trumpers give a second thought to what the true consequences of their decision are. For me the payoff to the conservatives and Constitutionalists will be if Trump actually picks Supreme Court justices that are like Scalia. If he does that, they win because the court will stave off the excesses of progressivisim. If he doesn't (or Mrs. Clinton wins), we are screwed. And if you are worried about Trump taking on excessive authority, don't worry. When Trump gets in the liberals on the court will find limitations on executive authority that even Scalia didn't know existed.
Posted by: Phil Dayton at July 25, 2016 12:51 PM (eFytx)
498
"Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH
Turning the Commodore into the Grand Hyatt was a bold project and helped to turn around a blighted Grand Central area. At the time, nearly everyone except the gays was running out of Manhattan. I know this from living through it.
So kudos to the Donald.
I'll give SH the benefit of the doubt and just call him ignorant.
Posted by: SH
Turning the Commodore into the Grand Hyatt was a bold project and helped to turn around a blighted Grand Central area. At the time, nearly everyone except the gays was running out of Manhattan. I know this from living through it.
So kudos to the Donald.
I'll give SH the benefit of the doubt and just call him ignorant.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 25, 2016 12:51 PM (r1fLd)
499
d by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 12:48 PM (s/EUv
Thanks. I mean I can see where people think it, Russia/Communism has never stopped trying to co-op us.
Thanks. I mean I can see where people think it, Russia/Communism has never stopped trying to co-op us.
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 25, 2016 12:51 PM (R5HRU)
500
If Trump is President his SCOTUS picks will likely be like previous Republicans. For every Scalia, an O'connor. For every Thomas, a Souter.
Posted by: josephistan
I'll agree that's how these things usually go.
I will say I do think even pretty moderate Republicans TRY to nominate conservative justices, its just a field that the Left dominates and also there was usually a Democrat Senate to get through.
But even a Bush Sr was able to put a Clarence Thomas on the bench.
But Ted Cruz has a lot to do with John Roberts being chief justice, so the idea that any Republican is perfect on this doesn't match with reality.
Posted by: josephistan
I'll agree that's how these things usually go.
I will say I do think even pretty moderate Republicans TRY to nominate conservative justices, its just a field that the Left dominates and also there was usually a Democrat Senate to get through.
But even a Bush Sr was able to put a Clarence Thomas on the bench.
But Ted Cruz has a lot to do with John Roberts being chief justice, so the idea that any Republican is perfect on this doesn't match with reality.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:51 PM (Jzg4b)
501
488 Plus, this sort of thing happens all the time across a variety of industries and projects.
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Indeed it does. I didn't realize we were now in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful. NGU wanted an example of Trump's crony capitalism. I gave him one. Maybe it was a small one and a long time ago, but it was an example nonetheless.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
I didn't say I was in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful, I merely note that it's de rigeur. I think it's an extreme stretch to cite that as an example of cronyism when it's a routine practice not necessarily dependent on personal ties.
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Indeed it does. I didn't realize we were now in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful. NGU wanted an example of Trump's crony capitalism. I gave him one. Maybe it was a small one and a long time ago, but it was an example nonetheless.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
I didn't say I was in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful, I merely note that it's de rigeur. I think it's an extreme stretch to cite that as an example of cronyism when it's a routine practice not necessarily dependent on personal ties.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:51 PM (0mRoj)
502
All the arguing, who will be worse? I don't like either of them, but shitllery must not become our president.
Posted by: Infidel at July 25, 2016 12:52 PM (sOWvc)
503
492 473 Oh, and whoever blew the margins, shame on you.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (0mRoj)
What? No, I just had some ice cream!
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (7HtZB)
Suuure you did.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:46 PM (0mRoj)
What? No, I just had some ice cream!
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (7HtZB)
Suuure you did.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 12:52 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (eSQgj)
505
Turning the Commodore into the Grand Hyatt was a bold project and helped to turn around a blighted Grand Central area. At the time, nearly everyone except the gays was running out of Manhattan. I know this from living through it.
So kudos to the Donald.
I'll give SH the benefit of the doubt and just call him ignorant.
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But he did get a tax break. And yes, these happen all the time. Not just in NY. They happen in Texas too. I think most of us oppose it though. Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
So kudos to the Donald.
I'll give SH the benefit of the doubt and just call him ignorant.
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But he did get a tax break. And yes, these happen all the time. Not just in NY. They happen in Texas too. I think most of us oppose it though. Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
506
Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
There is nothing wrong with that at all. First, the family members are also muzzies, so hence enemies in their own right. Secondly, once it became clear that such was the policy, families would act themselves to ensure that their yutes did not run off and join ISIS.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
There is nothing wrong with that at all. First, the family members are also muzzies, so hence enemies in their own right. Secondly, once it became clear that such was the policy, families would act themselves to ensure that their yutes did not run off and join ISIS.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (htBb9)
507
But Ted Cruz has a lot to do with John Roberts being chief justice, so the idea that any Republican is perfect on this doesn't match with reality.
Posted by: Bumble
Shhhh.
The idea that there are perfect, white knight conservative politicians out there Fight Fight Fighting for us is the only thing keeping some of these people from going Jonestown.
Posted by: Bumble
Shhhh.
The idea that there are perfect, white knight conservative politicians out there Fight Fight Fighting for us is the only thing keeping some of these people from going Jonestown.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (UPYhp)
508
"Will Trump expend political capital"
Trump is a tit-for-tat guy. If Trump had put forth Bork then Bork would be on the SC or the public face of the move to block Bork would have had a career ending tat. They would have a sad entry in Wikipedia.
Trump is a tit-for-tat guy. If Trump had put forth Bork then Bork would be on the SC or the public face of the move to block Bork would have had a career ending tat. They would have a sad entry in Wikipedia.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (rnH8X)
509
And I like to argue.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)
Me to. Keeps me young. I get where your coming from
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)
Me to. Keeps me young. I get where your coming from
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (zp+j1)
510
Assuming the Russians were able to hack into Clinton's private server it seems to me Putin would want her to become president not Trump.The leverage he would hold over Hillary would be tremendous.
Assuming the Russians were able to hack into Clinton's private server it seems to me Putin would want her to become president not Trump.The leverage he would hold over Hillary would be tremendous.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (lKyWE)
511
"Or maybe people are concerned with the corruption and decline of the party with which they've identified all their life and consider that more pressing and infuriating then the party they opposed continuing to act as it has for at least the last 8 years?"
Then that's stupid. We've been fighting the far left since WWII or even the French Revolution.
Then that's stupid. We've been fighting the far left since WWII or even the French Revolution.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:55 PM (eSQgj)
512
508 "Will Trump expend political capital"
Trump is a tit-for-tat guy.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (rnH8X)
Well, yeah. Have you seen his wives?
Trump is a tit-for-tat guy.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (rnH8X)
Well, yeah. Have you seen his wives?
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (7HtZB)
513
>>Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 12:44 PM
Seriously, read or watch "Clinton Cash".
I couldn't argue that Trump is corruption-free in his business dealings.
However, we're talking about Hillary being orders of magnitude worse than Trump. She and Bill are most certainly the most corrupt American politicians in the history of the country. It's really no contest when you compare Trump attempting to displace a homeowner in NJ vs. Bill and Hill's egregious handling of the Haiti earthquake recovery efforts. The UN put Bill in charge of the funds, he bypassed well-known organizations to give contracts to his cronies who then...sucked all the money and did next to nothing for 1000's of homeless, jobless, needy Haitians.
Seriously, read or watch "Clinton Cash".
I couldn't argue that Trump is corruption-free in his business dealings.
However, we're talking about Hillary being orders of magnitude worse than Trump. She and Bill are most certainly the most corrupt American politicians in the history of the country. It's really no contest when you compare Trump attempting to displace a homeowner in NJ vs. Bill and Hill's egregious handling of the Haiti earthquake recovery efforts. The UN put Bill in charge of the funds, he bypassed well-known organizations to give contracts to his cronies who then...sucked all the money and did next to nothing for 1000's of homeless, jobless, needy Haitians.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (NOIQH)
514
The SCOTUS balance at this point is about whether it will remain about as it is, or become a 2nd Warren court. People today imagine a left-wing court in light of the recent decisions like gay marriage or banning the death penalty for juveniles, but in both of those cases the court was simply mandating policies that had slight majority favor nationally against strong regional opposition. In other cases it was a matter of letting unconstitutional legislation stand, but the legislation had at least actually passed (kind of).
A real activist left-wing court would do the type of things Obama advocated as a law professor, enshrining various positive rights. (You may recall his quote lamenting that the Bill of Rights "says what the government can't do to you, but doesn't say what it must do FOR you.") If you want to see separation of powers really go to hell, see what happens when there's a positive "right to education" or "right to health care" and courts start intervening to tell state legislatures how much money they must spend on certain programs. The Warren court was pulling stuff like that out of thin air all the time, taking actions that were extremely unpopular and enjoyed nowhere near the level of national support that gay marriage did at the time of Obergefell.
A real activist left-wing court would do the type of things Obama advocated as a law professor, enshrining various positive rights. (You may recall his quote lamenting that the Bill of Rights "says what the government can't do to you, but doesn't say what it must do FOR you.") If you want to see separation of powers really go to hell, see what happens when there's a positive "right to education" or "right to health care" and courts start intervening to tell state legislatures how much money they must spend on certain programs. The Warren court was pulling stuff like that out of thin air all the time, taking actions that were extremely unpopular and enjoyed nowhere near the level of national support that gay marriage did at the time of Obergefell.
Posted by: cjw at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (onydf)
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Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
Because mom and pop couldn't have done the project.
Should it have stayed a slum area then?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
Because mom and pop couldn't have done the project.
Should it have stayed a slum area then?
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (Enq6K)
516
There's only one reason to support Trump- The Supreme Court.
And there's zero reasons to support Hillary or a third party.
So, there you go. Trump wins, 1-0. Not because he's great or he's this or he's that. The Supreme Court. Period. Stop.
And there's zero reasons to support Hillary or a third party.
So, there you go. Trump wins, 1-0. Not because he's great or he's this or he's that. The Supreme Court. Period. Stop.
Posted by: Dogstar at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (Gtzr5)
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I think most of us oppose it though. Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
But Local Gov's love them. Because without them "some" developers would not go into areas and develope. And then the Local Gov's would lose a ton of tax rateables and would not be able to fund the Police and Fire and Garbage pick up. There is a rational to it.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
But Local Gov's love them. Because without them "some" developers would not go into areas and develope. And then the Local Gov's would lose a ton of tax rateables and would not be able to fund the Police and Fire and Garbage pick up. There is a rational to it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (zp+j1)
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Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:47 PM (zp+j1)
Don't know how anyone rises to the level of hate engendered by Hillary, seems nutty.
Don't know how anyone rises to the level of hate engendered by Hillary, seems nutty.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 12:57 PM (eSQgj)
519
11 The place smells like shit.
Oh, Hillary's plane just landed.
Something tells me her reception at the VFW convention here in CLT is not going to be too polite.
Here's hoping. Don't worry media won't show the booing.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (F1iXz)
Media is full on in the tank for her.
Trump and Pence are doing a townhall here in Roanoke today, and last night it was the lead story on the local 11pm news. Well, not the townhall being the lead story, the townhall was the teaser story, the actual lead story was who was putting together a protest of the townhall, how to contact them, what time the protesters were meeting, where to meet, then a 10 second blurb on the actual townhall.
The Mrs, who is not political at all, looked at me and said "I guess that is what the biased media looks like". This was 4 months after we went to a Rubio rally in March that had about 5K at it on a Sunday night that the local media pretty much ignored preferring to focus on the 25 protesters standing outside.
Oh, Hillary's plane just landed.
Something tells me her reception at the VFW convention here in CLT is not going to be too polite.
Here's hoping. Don't worry media won't show the booing.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (F1iXz)
Media is full on in the tank for her.
Trump and Pence are doing a townhall here in Roanoke today, and last night it was the lead story on the local 11pm news. Well, not the townhall being the lead story, the townhall was the teaser story, the actual lead story was who was putting together a protest of the townhall, how to contact them, what time the protesters were meeting, where to meet, then a 10 second blurb on the actual townhall.
The Mrs, who is not political at all, looked at me and said "I guess that is what the biased media looks like". This was 4 months after we went to a Rubio rally in March that had about 5K at it on a Sunday night that the local media pretty much ignored preferring to focus on the 25 protesters standing outside.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (1JnAL)
520
Then that's stupid. We've been fighting the far left since WWII or even the French Revolution.
Unfortunately a fragment of it has infiltrated/disguised itself as a key political ally, thus undermining and thwarting our efforts. It thus becomes a sad necessity to turn or eliminate this compromised entity to be able to fight the larger war effectively.
Unfortunately a fragment of it has infiltrated/disguised itself as a key political ally, thus undermining and thwarting our efforts. It thus becomes a sad necessity to turn or eliminate this compromised entity to be able to fight the larger war effectively.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (9krrF)
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For all who are worried about Trump doing something horrible take a minute and think. Trump is not a republican. The party whose nomination he holds does NOT like or support him. The democrats HATE him. IF he is elected president do you really believe that either party is going to let him do ANYTHING remotely controversial? IF he is lucky he will get conservative leaning justices on the court. That's it guys. Wall street and every other big entity out there is not going to allow Trump to rain on their parade. A vote for Trump will only slow the burn. That's it. Nothing else. Hillary will be allowed to embezzle tax money, steal the other half of the white house, and take away your rights. How do I know? Look at what she has gotten away with without being president. Think guys.
Posted by: lightning at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (pwONV)
522
510
Assuming the Russians were able to hack into Clinton's private server it seems to me Putin would want her to become president not Trump.The leverage he would hold over Hillary would be tremendous.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (lKyWE)
At the risk of sounding like a single-name concern troll, is it unreasonable to think that Putin would prefer a President that he thinks would not honor our NATO commitment & shrug his shoulders should he Putin make a move against the Baltic states?
Assuming the Russians were able to hack into Clinton's private server it seems to me Putin would want her to become president not Trump.The leverage he would hold over Hillary would be tremendous.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (lKyWE)
At the risk of sounding like a single-name concern troll, is it unreasonable to think that Putin would prefer a President that he thinks would not honor our NATO commitment & shrug his shoulders should he Putin make a move against the Baltic states?
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (7HtZB)
523
Assuming the Russians were able to hack into Clinton's private server it seems to me Putin would want her to become president not Trump.The leverage he would hold over Hillary would be tremendous.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic
Hack? Password was "Password".
Posted by: Flawless Male logic
Hack? Password was "Password".
Posted by: Vladimir Putin's pet mini-giraffe at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (UPYhp)
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Assuming the Russians were able to hack into Clinton's private server it seems to me Putin would want her to become president not Trump.The leverage he would hold over Hillary would be tremendous.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (lKyWE)
Again, Putin's goal is to weaken NATO so he can continue his expansionist agenda.
Putin has supported numerous isolationist nationalist parties across Europe, such as France's FN.
Trump wants to weaken NATO. He also praises Putin and worked to remove support for Ukraine from the GOP platform.
As to leverage, much of Trump's business now relies on Russian oligarchs because American banks don't trust him.
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 12:54 PM (lKyWE)
Again, Putin's goal is to weaken NATO so he can continue his expansionist agenda.
Putin has supported numerous isolationist nationalist parties across Europe, such as France's FN.
Trump wants to weaken NATO. He also praises Putin and worked to remove support for Ukraine from the GOP platform.
As to leverage, much of Trump's business now relies on Russian oligarchs because American banks don't trust him.
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: Paul Ryan at July 25, 2016 12:59 PM (ODxAs)
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Do you really want to bring "corruption" in as a reason why you can't vote for Trump when Hillary is the competition?
I mean, I guess if Lieberman or someone like that was the Dem nominee you could make some hay with that, but Hillary is like a crime kingpin.
And as was pointed out earlier, much of the problem with a Dem President is the "tribe" they bring in that rules DC. This Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, etc.
I mean, I guess if Lieberman or someone like that was the Dem nominee you could make some hay with that, but Hillary is like a crime kingpin.
And as was pointed out earlier, much of the problem with a Dem President is the "tribe" they bring in that rules DC. This Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, etc.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:59 PM (Jzg4b)
527
Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
Do you not know that the Allies bombed civilian areas during WWII? I guess they didn't get the memo that you can't kill family members of enemy combatants.
In all seriousness, Allied leadership was conflicted about the necessity but did it anyway.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
Do you not know that the Allies bombed civilian areas during WWII? I guess they didn't get the memo that you can't kill family members of enemy combatants.
In all seriousness, Allied leadership was conflicted about the necessity but did it anyway.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2016 01:00 PM (YQ4mh)
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"A real activist left-wing court would do the type of things Obama advocated as a law professor, enshrining various positive rights."
"People today imagine a left-wing court in light of the recent decisions like gay marriage or banning the death penalty for juveniles, but in both of those cases the court was simply mandating policies that had slight majority favor nationally against strong regional opposition."
One of the things that makes us Americans and not Europeans has been our commitment to civil liberties, including the right to free speech.
But there's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism is being played out at a college or university near you.
The likes of Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.
I'd put the gay marriage decision in this bucket.
"People today imagine a left-wing court in light of the recent decisions like gay marriage or banning the death penalty for juveniles, but in both of those cases the court was simply mandating policies that had slight majority favor nationally against strong regional opposition."
One of the things that makes us Americans and not Europeans has been our commitment to civil liberties, including the right to free speech.
But there's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism is being played out at a college or university near you.
The likes of Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.
I'd put the gay marriage decision in this bucket.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (r1fLd)
529
The problem I have with the Supreme Court argument is that John Roberts was considered a genius choice and a towering conservative figure until he got into the job.
The truth is, we don't really even know what they'll do until they're on the court and every year that goes by, the lesser and smaller the justices are -- and the more indoctrinated into leftist ideology they have been in their schooling.
The truth is, we don't really even know what they'll do until they're on the court and every year that goes by, the lesser and smaller the justices are -- and the more indoctrinated into leftist ideology they have been in their schooling.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (39g3+)
530
And I like to argue.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)
Me to. Keeps me young. I get where your coming from
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We could argue about the Chapman deal? There may not be an argument there.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:50 PM (gmeXX)
Me to. Keeps me young. I get where your coming from
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We could argue about the Chapman deal? There may not be an argument there.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (gmeXX)
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I think most of us oppose it though. Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
Posted by: SH
When a mom & pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: SH
When a mom & pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (4Hf9E)
532
There's only one reason to support Trump- The Supreme Court.
Not at all
1. The Supreme Court
2. Every other federal court
3. Voter ID laws
4. Open borders---WIDE open borders
5. Multiplying Syrian refugees
6. Global warming scam
7. Coal, nuclear power, and fraking
8. Due process for "sexual assaults"---every woman deserves to be "believed"
9. BLM
10. Burrowing
11. Cabinet positions, assistant secretary positions, Agency General Counsel positions, Schedule C staff positions
12. Not having a president already deemed "above the law."
13. Refusal to recognize "radical islam"
14. A president who asserts she can't use email, or is too stupid to understand basic basic tech
I can go on indefinitely.
Not at all
1. The Supreme Court
2. Every other federal court
3. Voter ID laws
4. Open borders---WIDE open borders
5. Multiplying Syrian refugees
6. Global warming scam
7. Coal, nuclear power, and fraking
8. Due process for "sexual assaults"---every woman deserves to be "believed"
9. BLM
10. Burrowing
11. Cabinet positions, assistant secretary positions, Agency General Counsel positions, Schedule C staff positions
12. Not having a president already deemed "above the law."
13. Refusal to recognize "radical islam"
14. A president who asserts she can't use email, or is too stupid to understand basic basic tech
I can go on indefinitely.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 01:02 PM (eSQgj)
533
The problem I have with the Supreme Court argument is that John Roberts was considered a genius choice and a towering conservative figure until he got into the job.
The truth is, we don't really even know what they'll do until they're on the court and every year that goes by,
Kinda know ahead of time how Hillz picks will lean.
The truth is, we don't really even know what they'll do until they're on the court and every year that goes by,
Kinda know ahead of time how Hillz picks will lean.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:02 PM (4Hf9E)
534
Most of the Left's victories have come through the Courts.
They couldn't even pass gay marriage in deep blue California, but the Supreme Court always comes through.
A few key justices would have made all the difference with this country's trajectory.
If there's even a chance with a Hillary alternative, I'm taking it.
They couldn't even pass gay marriage in deep blue California, but the Supreme Court always comes through.
A few key justices would have made all the difference with this country's trajectory.
If there's even a chance with a Hillary alternative, I'm taking it.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:03 PM (Jzg4b)
535
He should have stayed the hell home if he wasn't prepared to swallow his jewels and endorse Trump. Posted by: Jaimo at July 25, 2016 12:33 PM (9U1OG)
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One of the most potent themes here is that Congress is without balls. So why the heck must a member of Congress swallow their jewels and vote as they are told? Bleah. TC did what he said he was going to do, gracefully, and supported the Party. He could have been 'washing his hair' so to speak, like the other cowards, but he stood up and did what was appropriate.
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One of the most potent themes here is that Congress is without balls. So why the heck must a member of Congress swallow their jewels and vote as they are told? Bleah. TC did what he said he was going to do, gracefully, and supported the Party. He could have been 'washing his hair' so to speak, like the other cowards, but he stood up and did what was appropriate.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 25, 2016 01:03 PM (MIKMs)
536
In all seriousness, Allied leadership was conflicted about the necessity but did it anyway.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer
Churchill's philosophy was "do what it takes to win, argue about the morality of certain actions after the victory."
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer
Churchill's philosophy was "do what it takes to win, argue about the morality of certain actions after the victory."
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 25, 2016 01:03 PM (UPYhp)
537
But Local Gov's love them. Because without them
"some" developers would not go into areas and develope. And then the
Local Gov's would lose a ton of tax rateables and would not be able to
fund the Police and Fire and Garbage pick up. There is a rational to it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (zp+j1)
Except that is wrong... the "extra taxes" that they promise will pay for tax credits and other crony business inducements statistically, empirically do not. You know who is better off? The businessmen who suck up those tax dollar funded inducements and the politicians that the pay off (in one way or another) to give them tax dollars.
You know who is worse off? Taxpayer and small businesses who cannot afford to lobby politicians.
Yet one more reason to hate Trump? He has turned supposed conservatives into welfare loving (or at least welfare defending) sycophants.
But Local Gov's love them. Because without them
"some" developers would not go into areas and develope. And then the
Local Gov's would lose a ton of tax rateables and would not be able to
fund the Police and Fire and Garbage pick up. There is a rational to it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 12:56 PM (zp+j1)
Except that is wrong... the "extra taxes" that they promise will pay for tax credits and other crony business inducements statistically, empirically do not. You know who is better off? The businessmen who suck up those tax dollar funded inducements and the politicians that the pay off (in one way or another) to give them tax dollars.
You know who is worse off? Taxpayer and small businesses who cannot afford to lobby politicians.
Yet one more reason to hate Trump? He has turned supposed conservatives into welfare loving (or at least welfare defending) sycophants.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 01:04 PM (zE5x1)
538
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (7HtZB)
If you held proof that the newly elected President Clinton had committed multiple felonies that would lead to her removal from office how afraid would you be about gettinrg aggressive in the Baltics?
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 12:58 PM (7HtZB)
If you held proof that the newly elected President Clinton had committed multiple felonies that would lead to her removal from office how afraid would you be about gettinrg aggressive in the Baltics?
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 25, 2016 01:04 PM (lKyWE)
539
I think most of us oppose it though. Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
Posted by: SH
When a mom & pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
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If tax breaks are so great, then maybe we should just cut everyone's taxes.
Posted by: SH
When a mom & pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
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If tax breaks are so great, then maybe we should just cut everyone's taxes.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
540
We could argue about the Chapman deal? There may not be an argument there.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (gmeXX)
A deal went thru?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (gmeXX)
A deal went thru?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:05 PM (zp+j1)
541
But there's a pernicious movement afoot to read the 14th Amendment right to "liberty" to override things in the Bill of Rights such as the right to free speech. You see, you can't have "liberty" if someone offends you with their speech. This current phase of progressivism is being played out at a college or university near you.
The likes of Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.
I'd put the gay marriage decision in this bucket.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (r1fLd)
*****
Yes, and as an addition to this is their desperate attempt to redefine speech as an action. Can't control speech? Actions can be controlled.
The likes of Obama loves them the 14th Amendment. The rest of the Constitution, not so much.
I'd put the gay marriage decision in this bucket.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (r1fLd)
*****
Yes, and as an addition to this is their desperate attempt to redefine speech as an action. Can't control speech? Actions can be controlled.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 25, 2016 01:05 PM (5Vxpm)
542
They (GOPe) are a bigger threat to Trump than Hillary.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (Bbcs
You're joking, right? The GOPe co-opted Trump at the convention in the name of unity. Did you miss the part where they turned off Mike Lee's microphone?
Oh yeah, Cruz, big establishment guy. Yeah, Mitch and Paul just love the guy.
Posted by: Ok at July 25, 2016 12:15 PM (Bbcs
You're joking, right? The GOPe co-opted Trump at the convention in the name of unity. Did you miss the part where they turned off Mike Lee's microphone?
Oh yeah, Cruz, big establishment guy. Yeah, Mitch and Paul just love the guy.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 25, 2016 01:05 PM (laMCB)
543
Because without them
"some" developers would not go into areas and develope. And then the
Local Gov's would lose a ton of tax rateables and would not be able to
fund the Police and Fire and Garbage pick up. There is a rational to it.
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Of course there is a rationale to it. Just not a good or principled one.
"some" developers would not go into areas and develope. And then the
Local Gov's would lose a ton of tax rateables and would not be able to
fund the Police and Fire and Garbage pick up. There is a rational to it.
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Of course there is a rationale to it. Just not a good or principled one.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:05 PM (gmeXX)
544
Hey, I got my DNC talking points list this morning. You guys mind if I try them out on you?
Posted by: person for Hillary at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (eSQgj)
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (Jzg4b)
546
Alberta Oil Peon, there's a non idiotic way to criticize Islam without coming off as a non-thinking bigot. You have yet to discover it. Also, were you military? If not, your opinion on how to defeat jihadists is not needed.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (hxUdS)
547
When a mom pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (4Hf9E)
OR we can acknowledge that the government has no fucking business picking winners and losers in the marketplace and deny all businesses special tax anything.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (4Hf9E)
OR we can acknowledge that the government has no fucking business picking winners and losers in the marketplace and deny all businesses special tax anything.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (zE5x1)
548
When a mom pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (4Hf9E)
OR we can acknowledge that the government has no fucking business picking winners and losers in the marketplace and deny all businesses special tax anything.
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Maybe Texas and Frisco should just offer everyone else the same deal they offered Toyota.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:01 PM (4Hf9E)
OR we can acknowledge that the government has no fucking business picking winners and losers in the marketplace and deny all businesses special tax anything.
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Maybe Texas and Frisco should just offer everyone else the same deal they offered Toyota.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
549
When a mom & pop shop relocates and brings in 2500 jobs and the resulting home buying and tax base, they'll get breaks too.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
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If tax breaks are so great, then maybe we should just cut everyone's taxes.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
****
OK, now you are making no sense at all.
See Toyota HQ from California to Frisco, Texas.
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If tax breaks are so great, then maybe we should just cut everyone's taxes.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
****
OK, now you are making no sense at all.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 25, 2016 01:08 PM (5Vxpm)
550
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 01:04 PM (zE5x1)
A) NO your wrong.
B) you don't like the law? Fine get it changed or blame the Local Governments that grant it.
To blame the developers shows a basic misunderstanding of the Law. And to blame Trump, a developer for taking advantage of every legal means at his disposal like very other developer just shows all you really care about is hating and hurting Trump.
A) NO your wrong.
B) you don't like the law? Fine get it changed or blame the Local Governments that grant it.
To blame the developers shows a basic misunderstanding of the Law. And to blame Trump, a developer for taking advantage of every legal means at his disposal like very other developer just shows all you really care about is hating and hurting Trump.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:08 PM (zp+j1)
551
OR we can acknowledge that the government has no fucking business picking winners and losers in the marketplace and deny all businesses special tax anything.
True. And when your community goes tits up from lack of jobs in the area, you can sleep comfortable at night on welfare.
True. And when your community goes tits up from lack of jobs in the area, you can sleep comfortable at night on welfare.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:08 PM (4Hf9E)
552
There is a good reason for eminent domain; hospitals, roads etc.
Enriching developers and politician graft is not a good reason.
There is a good reason for eminent domain; hospitals, roads etc.
Enriching developers and politician graft is not a good reason.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:09 PM (ODxAs)
553
Redbanzai was a Cruz Superfan and got way too wrapped up in the primary drama to where she thinks Cruz is actually her husband and when Trump retweeted the mean picture it was her.
I simply don't believe this stance is principled, its emotional.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (Jzg4b)
Attributing bad motives to someone who disagrees with you? If I had the banhammer, you'd be gone.
I simply don't believe this stance is principled, its emotional.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 12:14 PM (Jzg4b)
Attributing bad motives to someone who disagrees with you? If I had the banhammer, you'd be gone.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 25, 2016 01:09 PM (laMCB)
554
Eminent Domain discussions?
So we're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic again?
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (Jzg4b)
yeah that is always their final wall to make a stand on
Sigh
So we're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic again?
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (Jzg4b)
yeah that is always their final wall to make a stand on
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:09 PM (zp+j1)
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If the Left gets 5 or 6 hard left justices, what the Constitutions says is pretty irrelevant.
We've already seen that's true for 4 of them.
1 or 2 SOMETIMES looks at the Constitution, with only 3 left actually doing their job.
We've already seen that's true for 4 of them.
1 or 2 SOMETIMES looks at the Constitution, with only 3 left actually doing their job.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:09 PM (Jzg4b)
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OR we can acknowledge that the government has no fucking business picking winners and losers in the marketplace and deny all businesses special tax anything.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (zE5x1)
^^^^^ this.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (zE5x1)
^^^^^ this.
Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 01:10 PM (7HtZB)
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/putins-party/article/2003473
This is where the Trump-Russia connection comes from. It's not bullshit, and it isn't liberal lies.
The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of patriots, but their candidate is in bed with the ex KGB man. Embarassing.
This is where the Trump-Russia connection comes from. It's not bullshit, and it isn't liberal lies.
The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of patriots, but their candidate is in bed with the ex KGB man. Embarassing.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 01:10 PM (hxUdS)
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Maybe Texas and Frisco should just offer everyone else the same deal they offered Toyota.
Posted by: SH
Why? You bringing 2500 jobs into the city? Are you going to expand the city's tax base?
Posted by: SH
Why? You bringing 2500 jobs into the city? Are you going to expand the city's tax base?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:10 PM (4Hf9E)
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And when your community goes tits up from lack of jobs in the area, you can sleep comfortable at night on welfare.
or ya know, pay less taxes and not have to compete against a govt approved and funded monopoly.
or ya know, pay less taxes and not have to compete against a govt approved and funded monopoly.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:11 PM (ODxAs)
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To blame the developers shows a basic misunderstanding of the Law. And to blame Trump, a developer for taking advantage of every legal means at his disposal like very other developer just shows all you really care about is hating and hurting Trump.
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I don't think we are blaming Trump. From a developers point of view it does make sense. But those who prosper by these types of deals typically support them. I would argue that it is an example of a type of crony capitalism. Now we should probably blame the government that gives out these deals more than the person who seeks them, but the two go hand and hand.
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I don't think we are blaming Trump. From a developers point of view it does make sense. But those who prosper by these types of deals typically support them. I would argue that it is an example of a type of crony capitalism. Now we should probably blame the government that gives out these deals more than the person who seeks them, but the two go hand and hand.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)
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Where are people getting the idea that the democrats aren't full on balls dedicated to giving developers every incentive under the sun to build and develop? How is that "Trump"? Hell being a developer isn't the problem, it's the left getting in bed with the developer to screw the tax payer.
What else is nifty is the left wants to be included in crony capitalist development because then they can dictate transportation, expand epa rules, arrange more crony capitalist deals, take another social engineering "Leap Forward."
Anyone who thinks the lefties are "on the side" of "mom and pop" are delusional.
What else is nifty is the left wants to be included in crony capitalist development because then they can dictate transportation, expand epa rules, arrange more crony capitalist deals, take another social engineering "Leap Forward."
Anyone who thinks the lefties are "on the side" of "mom and pop" are delusional.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 01:12 PM (eSQgj)
562
"Again, Putin's goal is to weaken NATO so he can continue his expansionist agenda."
You may have heard of the proverbial "self-licking ice cream cone". Well, NATO is a self-weakening ice cream cone.
With the majority of its Euro participants not even spending a trifling 2% of GDP on their militaries, and of those that do hit the threshold, quietly directing a large percentage of that spending to militarily null line items such as pension benefits.
You may have heard of the proverbial "self-licking ice cream cone". Well, NATO is a self-weakening ice cream cone.
With the majority of its Euro participants not even spending a trifling 2% of GDP on their militaries, and of those that do hit the threshold, quietly directing a large percentage of that spending to militarily null line items such as pension benefits.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 01:12 PM (noWW6)
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or ya know, pay less taxes and not have to compete against a govt approved and funded monopoly.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
LOL. What city is gonna lower your taxes?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
LOL. What city is gonna lower your taxes?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:13 PM (4Hf9E)
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I'd love it if a state decided no more friendly tax deals, but that state would be unilaterally disarming and watch a lot of jobs go to other states.
My company went through the same thing and it makes a difference when they are expanding where they locate.
I still say this is penny ante stuff when you look at what our nation is facing.
My company went through the same thing and it makes a difference when they are expanding where they locate.
I still say this is penny ante stuff when you look at what our nation is facing.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:13 PM (Jzg4b)
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Why? You bringing 2500 jobs into the city? Are you going to expand the city's tax base?
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Really? One, won't other companies take advantage of this wonderful tax deal? Won't it encourage other companies to move there as well. Two, because this favors the powerful over the less powerful.
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Really? One, won't other companies take advantage of this wonderful tax deal? Won't it encourage other companies to move there as well. Two, because this favors the powerful over the less powerful.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:13 PM (gmeXX)
566
Anyone who thinks the lefties are "on the side" of "mom and pop" are delusional.
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I don't think they are. A lot of righties aren't either.
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I don't think they are. A lot of righties aren't either.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)
567
421
his crony business practices
Such as?
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Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
I don't think we are blaming Trump.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)
Ok, this is getting painful.
his crony business practices
Such as?
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Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
I don't think we are blaming Trump.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)
Ok, this is getting painful.
Posted by: Tami at July 25, 2016 01:14 PM (Enq6K)
568
Nobody is saying that its just repubs approving of eminent domain. We are saying it is an abused policy by slimy politicians of all stripes.
Nobody is saying that its just repubs approving of eminent domain. We are saying it is an abused policy by slimy politicians of all stripes.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:15 PM (ODxAs)
569
A) NO your wrong.
B) you don't like the law? Fine get it changed or blame the Local Governments that grant it.
To blame the developers shows a basic misunderstanding of the Law.
And to blame Trump, a developer for taking advantage of every legal
means at his disposal like very other developer just shows all you
really care about is hating and hurting Trump.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:08 PM (zp+j1)
NGU... that argument is about basic economics not Trump in particular. And I am not wrong. The empirical studies that have been done on economic development deals (whether that be building stadiums to attract a sports team or tax credits to attract Toyota) do not create more economic value than the tax dollars going out for them. And that doesn't even get into the perverse incentives that such tax/building deals create.
Localities and states can fairly attract businesses by lowering regulatory burdens and creating a positive business environment. When they do that, everyone wins.
B) you don't like the law? Fine get it changed or blame the Local Governments that grant it.
To blame the developers shows a basic misunderstanding of the Law.
And to blame Trump, a developer for taking advantage of every legal
means at his disposal like very other developer just shows all you
really care about is hating and hurting Trump.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:08 PM (zp+j1)
NGU... that argument is about basic economics not Trump in particular. And I am not wrong. The empirical studies that have been done on economic development deals (whether that be building stadiums to attract a sports team or tax credits to attract Toyota) do not create more economic value than the tax dollars going out for them. And that doesn't even get into the perverse incentives that such tax/building deals create.
Localities and states can fairly attract businesses by lowering regulatory burdens and creating a positive business environment. When they do that, everyone wins.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 01:15 PM (zE5x1)
570
You guys are gonna be pleasantly surprised by a Hillary administration. She's gonna inspire the republican party to play fight like never before!
You'll see hand-wringing, sternly worded speeches, thoughtful navel gazing, and carefully planned surrender. You'll be inspired, entertained, and comforted to know that Congress did everything possible to look adversarial prior to rolling over and playing dead.
And that hill to die on? It'll still be there in 2024. Jeb Bush Jr is in the wings. If that's not #Winning, what is?
Hill/Kaine 2016!
You'll see hand-wringing, sternly worded speeches, thoughtful navel gazing, and carefully planned surrender. You'll be inspired, entertained, and comforted to know that Congress did everything possible to look adversarial prior to rolling over and playing dead.
And that hill to die on? It'll still be there in 2024. Jeb Bush Jr is in the wings. If that's not #Winning, what is?
Hill/Kaine 2016!
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at July 25, 2016 01:15 PM (jYnsn)
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"I don't think we are blaming Trump. From a developers point of view it does make sense. But those who prosper by these types of deals typically support them. I would argue that it is an example of a type of crony capitalism. Now we should probably blame the government that gives out these deals more than the person who seeks them, but the two go hand and hand."
No, that's equivocation.
Guess what? It's not illegal to donate money to a pol in hopes of preferential treatment or in fear of retaliatory treatment. It's not even "wrong". It's real life.
It is wrong, illegal, unethical to be a pol and TAKE bribe money or exact revenge on those you don't get it from. Quid pro quo is unethical and illegal.
It's complete BS to say that those who know how the system works like it. They probably like it LESS, not more.
No, that's equivocation.
Guess what? It's not illegal to donate money to a pol in hopes of preferential treatment or in fear of retaliatory treatment. It's not even "wrong". It's real life.
It is wrong, illegal, unethical to be a pol and TAKE bribe money or exact revenge on those you don't get it from. Quid pro quo is unethical and illegal.
It's complete BS to say that those who know how the system works like it. They probably like it LESS, not more.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 01:15 PM (eSQgj)
572
People arguing against tax breaks etc, surely decline deductions on their personal income taxes,right?
Posted by: runner at July 25, 2016 01:16 PM (c6/9Q)
573
Such as the tax break he got for his first Manhattan project that was touted in his campaign video.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
I don't think we are blaming Trump.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)
Ok, this is getting painful.
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I don't blame Trump for seeking this tax abatement as a developer. But it is an example of a type of crony capitalism that many of us are against. NGU wanted an example. I gave him one. And I can hold it against Trump if I want to.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
I don't think we are blaming Trump.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)
Ok, this is getting painful.
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I don't blame Trump for seeking this tax abatement as a developer. But it is an example of a type of crony capitalism that many of us are against. NGU wanted an example. I gave him one. And I can hold it against Trump if I want to.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:16 PM (gmeXX)
574
Really? One, won't other companies take advantage of this wonderful tax deal? Won't it encourage other companies to move there as well. Two, because this favors the powerful over the less powerful.
Posted by: SH
I don't like it, but find me a state that won't do it or a business that doesn't try and get it.
The idea that a true "conservative" business man is so wed to ideology that he's not going to find a way to get a special tax break for his business is delusional.
Posted by: SH
I don't like it, but find me a state that won't do it or a business that doesn't try and get it.
The idea that a true "conservative" business man is so wed to ideology that he's not going to find a way to get a special tax break for his business is delusional.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:16 PM (Jzg4b)
575
shows all you really care about is hating and hurting Trump
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Feel the FEELZ. You just HATE because you don't agree with me.
Nonsense.
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Feel the FEELZ. You just HATE because you don't agree with me.
Nonsense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 25, 2016 01:17 PM (MIKMs)
576
LOL. What city is gonna lower your taxes?
Its about not raising them due to the developer subsidy. But I suspect you knew what I meant.
Its about not raising them due to the developer subsidy. But I suspect you knew what I meant.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:17 PM (ODxAs)
577
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)
You're building a case on nothing. It appears that all you have is some emotional attachment to? Cruz? IDK Jeb?
You're building a case on nothing. It appears that all you have is some emotional attachment to? Cruz? IDK Jeb?
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 01:17 PM (eSQgj)
578
270
Torquewrench, I have no problem with Hillary starting wars. I have no
problem with Trump starting wars. If they are defending innocent people,
they are righteous and I'm fine with that (now, I might have problems
with the execution, as in Libya, but that's another story). It doesn't
make either of them warmongers.
Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
Eh, I'm of two minds on that. On the one hand, I don't think much of killing his wife and kids....on the other, I have no problem with mopping up his support network. The way "funerals" for "martyrs" get turned into pep rallies to encourage others suggests that regularly bombing ISIS fighters' funerals would probably be a good idea.
Torquewrench, I have no problem with Hillary starting wars. I have no
problem with Trump starting wars. If they are defending innocent people,
they are righteous and I'm fine with that (now, I might have problems
with the execution, as in Libya, but that's another story). It doesn't
make either of them warmongers.
Trump, however, wanted the military to kill the family members of ISIS. That's a no go.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 12:19 PM (hxUdS)
Eh, I'm of two minds on that. On the one hand, I don't think much of killing his wife and kids....on the other, I have no problem with mopping up his support network. The way "funerals" for "martyrs" get turned into pep rallies to encourage others suggests that regularly bombing ISIS fighters' funerals would probably be a good idea.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 25, 2016 01:18 PM (EzgxV)
579
It is not cronyism when the government fails to take something from you - which they would do for any producer doing that job. Cronyism is when the government gives only a favored individual or company money; see Solyndra - The Scandal for an example of cronyism.
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 01:19 PM (vGhPp)
580
People arguing against tax breaks etc, surely decline deductions on their personal income taxes,right? <<<<
who is arguing against tax breaks that everybody can take under the law? This is about politicians taking graft from giving one entity a break.
who is arguing against tax breaks that everybody can take under the law? This is about politicians taking graft from giving one entity a break.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (ODxAs)
581
Indeed it does. I didn't realize we were now in favor of specific tax breaks for the powerful. NGU wanted an example of Trump's crony capitalism. I gave him one. Maybe it was a small one and a long time ago, but it was an example nonetheless.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
For fuck's sake. Developers of every stripe constantly negotiate for tax breaks from municipal governments. And municipal governments frequently get into bidding wars to offer tax breaks to businesses seeking to expand or relocate. It's leverage to try to get a large employer to set up shop in their 'hood. What they forgo in property tax, they make up for by increased economic activity. There nothing illegal or immoral about it. Only a Communist would think otherwise.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
For fuck's sake. Developers of every stripe constantly negotiate for tax breaks from municipal governments. And municipal governments frequently get into bidding wars to offer tax breaks to businesses seeking to expand or relocate. It's leverage to try to get a large employer to set up shop in their 'hood. What they forgo in property tax, they make up for by increased economic activity. There nothing illegal or immoral about it. Only a Communist would think otherwise.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (htBb9)
582
If tax breaks are so great, then maybe we should just cut everyone's taxes.
Yes. Yes, we should. But that's not enough on its own, of course.
If tax breaks are so great, then maybe we should just cut everyone's taxes.
Yes. Yes, we should. But that's not enough on its own, of course.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (39g3+)
583
Cronyism is when the government gives only a favored individual or company money; see Solyndra - The Scandal for an example of cronyism.
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I think it is both, but admittedly, I think your example is worse. But in general, I oppose both types.
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I think it is both, but admittedly, I think your example is worse. But in general, I oppose both types.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:21 PM (gmeXX)
584
Oh FFS, I go away to lunch and you guys are still arguing with the NeverTrumpers?!?!
Really?
There's no there there.
They never have a bad thing to say about Hillary! except in the most neutral of terms,
and no matter when, they jump right in whenever Trump is mentioned on a thread to piss all over what enthusiasm people can manage for Trump.
What does this tell you?
There are only a few choices at this point:
1) they are Hillary!-turfers, hired to spread bad feeling
(although I'll entertain the suggestion that they're chemjeff socks)
2) they are crazy bananas becuz who in their right mind, waits around all day long just so they can crap all over someone on the internet?
3) Trump banged their Mom one Friday night in Vegas and never called back
4) They are koo-koo bananas Cult of Cruzians (but not really conservatives) becuz somehow in their minds giving Hillary! up to 4 SC judges plus 4-8 years to finish destroying the economy and middle class will be a good thing for Cruz and the Constitution
5) They are Trump Stalkers (weird love/hate thing going on)
6) They are Cruz Stalkers(double reverse weird love/hate thing going on)
7) They are intellectually and emotionally stunted toddlers who are still having a tantrum months later cause their guy didn't win.
That's pretty much it.
None of their arguments work.
Esp. becuz no one can predict the future.
Any Trump victory is going to have to come by overwhelming the Democrat margin of fraud in every state.
So, yes - as Ace says, withholding your vote for Trump is in essence a vote for Hillary!
That's ok. NeverTrumpers are free-agents and can do as they please.
But, we sure as hell don't have to clutter every thread with their preening nonsense. Just ignore them.
Really?
There's no there there.
They never have a bad thing to say about Hillary! except in the most neutral of terms,
and no matter when, they jump right in whenever Trump is mentioned on a thread to piss all over what enthusiasm people can manage for Trump.
What does this tell you?
There are only a few choices at this point:
1) they are Hillary!-turfers, hired to spread bad feeling
(although I'll entertain the suggestion that they're chemjeff socks)
2) they are crazy bananas becuz who in their right mind, waits around all day long just so they can crap all over someone on the internet?
3) Trump banged their Mom one Friday night in Vegas and never called back
4) They are koo-koo bananas Cult of Cruzians (but not really conservatives) becuz somehow in their minds giving Hillary! up to 4 SC judges plus 4-8 years to finish destroying the economy and middle class will be a good thing for Cruz and the Constitution
5) They are Trump Stalkers (weird love/hate thing going on)
6) They are Cruz Stalkers(double reverse weird love/hate thing going on)
7) They are intellectually and emotionally stunted toddlers who are still having a tantrum months later cause their guy didn't win.
That's pretty much it.
None of their arguments work.
Esp. becuz no one can predict the future.
Any Trump victory is going to have to come by overwhelming the Democrat margin of fraud in every state.
So, yes - as Ace says, withholding your vote for Trump is in essence a vote for Hillary!
That's ok. NeverTrumpers are free-agents and can do as they please.
But, we sure as hell don't have to clutter every thread with their preening nonsense. Just ignore them.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 01:21 PM (HGtd0)
585
nood
Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 01:23 PM (Lsu4e)
586
For fuck's sake. Developers of every stripe
constantly negotiate for tax breaks from municipal governments. And
municipal governments frequently get into bidding wars to offer
tax breaks to businesses seeking to expand or relocate. It's leverage to
try to get a large employer to set up shop in their 'hood. What they
forgo in property tax, they make up for by increased economic activity.
There nothing illegal or immoral about it. Only a Communist would think
otherwise. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (htBb9)
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High speed rail FTW! Bringing jobs to CA for many years now.
For fuck's sake. Developers of every stripe
constantly negotiate for tax breaks from municipal governments. And
municipal governments frequently get into bidding wars to offer
tax breaks to businesses seeking to expand or relocate. It's leverage to
try to get a large employer to set up shop in their 'hood. What they
forgo in property tax, they make up for by increased economic activity.
There nothing illegal or immoral about it. Only a Communist would think
otherwise. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (htBb9)
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High speed rail FTW! Bringing jobs to CA for many years now.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 25, 2016 01:23 PM (MIKMs)
587
For fuck's sake. Developers of every stripe constantly negotiate for tax breaks from municipal governments. And municipal governments frequently get into bidding wars to offer tax breaks to businesses seeking to expand or relocate. It's leverage to try to get a large employer to set up shop in their 'hood. What they forgo in property tax, they make up for by increased economic activity. There nothing illegal or immoral about it. Only a Communist would think otherwise.
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This is a good example of the disconnect between many Trump supporters and some of us who do not support him.
You don't need to explain to me the reasons why this happens. I know the reasons why. I get it. I get why the local governments do it and I get why the businesses do it.
But it doesn't mean it is good policy or right. At the end of the day, certain businesses get favored treatment that others do not.
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This is a good example of the disconnect between many Trump supporters and some of us who do not support him.
You don't need to explain to me the reasons why this happens. I know the reasons why. I get it. I get why the local governments do it and I get why the businesses do it.
But it doesn't mean it is good policy or right. At the end of the day, certain businesses get favored treatment that others do not.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:24 PM (gmeXX)
588
anti-TRUMP = pro=Hllary
Posted by: Myshiba at July 25, 2016 01:24 PM (4qOWG)
589
Oh come on, politicians wouldn't be doing it unless they were personally profiting in some way. And I do think "rent seeking" by private individuals is unethical to the country even though it is not illegal. They damn well know they are being treated better under the law.
Oh come on, politicians wouldn't be doing it unless they were personally profiting in some way. And I do think "rent seeking" by private individuals is unethical to the country even though it is not illegal. They damn well know they are being treated better under the law.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:24 PM (ODxAs)
590
Its a form of cronyism, but no President is going to solve the problem of municipal governments throwing things at businesses to get them to relocate.
Ultimately, the people we vote for on a local level are going to need to be vetted to not be so easily bribed.
But usually the idea is a small tax break now garners far more revenue later. Most of the states that threw incentives at Japanese car companies to locate in the South are doing pretty well.
I also think this is 1,314 on the list of things we need to fix ASAP.
Ultimately, the people we vote for on a local level are going to need to be vetted to not be so easily bribed.
But usually the idea is a small tax break now garners far more revenue later. Most of the states that threw incentives at Japanese car companies to locate in the South are doing pretty well.
I also think this is 1,314 on the list of things we need to fix ASAP.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:25 PM (Jzg4b)
591
But he did get a tax break. And yes, these happen all the time. Not just in NY. They happen in Texas too. I think most of us oppose it though. Because mom and pop shops don't get these tax breaks in general. They go to powerful developers and powerful projects.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
You sound exactly like a Berniebot when you do this. Ex-fucking-lactly.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
You sound exactly like a Berniebot when you do this. Ex-fucking-lactly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 01:25 PM (htBb9)
592
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 01:21 PM (HGtd0)
EXACTLY
Most are either Cruzers who are still upset their candidate failed so miserably OR they're GoPe (Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson) who are virtue signaling and think Hillary is less yucky than the guy with the accent.
EXACTLY
Most are either Cruzers who are still upset their candidate failed so miserably OR they're GoPe (Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson) who are virtue signaling and think Hillary is less yucky than the guy with the accent.
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 01:25 PM (eSQgj)
593
But, we sure as hell don't have to clutter every thread with their preening nonsense. Just ignore them.
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That was a long post for someone recommending ignoring them.
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That was a long post for someone recommending ignoring them.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:25 PM (gmeXX)
594
But it doesn't mean it is good policy or right. At the end of the day, certain businesses get favored treatment that others do not.
Posted by: SH
Okay, we agree, but that disqualifies Trump?
I mean its almost like saying Trump can't be trusted with shrinking government because he also takes a Social Security check every month.
Posted by: SH
Okay, we agree, but that disqualifies Trump?
I mean its almost like saying Trump can't be trusted with shrinking government because he also takes a Social Security check every month.
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:26 PM (Jzg4b)
595
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:24 PM (gmeXX)
Why do you think "Trump" is somehow the source of this? You think electing Hillary would suddenly clean up tax breaks for developers????????
What???
Why do you think "Trump" is somehow the source of this? You think electing Hillary would suddenly clean up tax breaks for developers????????
What???
Posted by: dagny at July 25, 2016 01:27 PM (eSQgj)
596
Okay, we agree, but that disqualifies Trump?
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I think it moved on from a discussion about Trump.
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I think it moved on from a discussion about Trump.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:27 PM (gmeXX)
597
who is arguing against tax breaks that everybody can
take under the law? This is about politicians taking graft from giving
one entity a break.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (ODxAs)
if you say so, but that is not what the argument is about. it is about Trump taking advantage of benefits available under the law, like tax breaks. somehow it is now a bad thing because it is Trump, of course.
take under the law? This is about politicians taking graft from giving
one entity a break.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 01:20 PM (ODxAs)
if you say so, but that is not what the argument is about. it is about Trump taking advantage of benefits available under the law, like tax breaks. somehow it is now a bad thing because it is Trump, of course.
Posted by: runner at July 25, 2016 01:27 PM (c6/9Q)
598
I think alot of the nevertrumpers were also
nevercruzers; they were always more Jebbers. and they think hillary will
still be a-ok.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (ODxAs)
You mean the Cruz Fedayeen are are false flag operation?
nevercruzers; they were always more Jebbers. and they think hillary will
still be a-ok.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 12:41 PM (ODxAs)
You mean the Cruz Fedayeen are are false flag operation?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2016 01:27 PM (P/kVC)
599
Trump's a tool of the Kremlin, leveraged to oligarchs. Fools support him.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 25, 2016 01:28 PM (n6ODX)
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Why do you think "Trump" is somehow the source of this? You think electing Hillary would suddenly clean up tax breaks for developers????????
What???
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I don't think he is the source of it and I don't think Hillary would clean it up. Its never going to be "cleaned up." All we can do is fight it where we see it. Its at the local level, the state level, and the federal level.
This all started because NGU sought an example of Trump and crony capitalism. I gave him one. Then it just morphed into a general discussion over tax breaks.
What???
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I don't think he is the source of it and I don't think Hillary would clean it up. Its never going to be "cleaned up." All we can do is fight it where we see it. Its at the local level, the state level, and the federal level.
This all started because NGU sought an example of Trump and crony capitalism. I gave him one. Then it just morphed into a general discussion over tax breaks.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:29 PM (gmeXX)
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"Trump's a tool of the Kremlin, leveraged to oligarchs. Fools support him.Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 25, 2016 01:28 PM (n6ODX)"
Whew. Thanks for showing up, I was the only one here posting the DNC talking points
Whew. Thanks for showing up, I was the only one here posting the DNC talking points
Posted by: person for Hillary at July 25, 2016 01:30 PM (eSQgj)
602
Carter Page. Google him.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 25, 2016 01:31 PM (n6ODX)
603
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:29 PM (gmeXX)
Er, then quit complaining about Trump and crony capitalism if it ends up in dumb arguments that are equal to both sides.
It would be like me going over to a lefty site and complaining that the democrat leaders didn't listen to the base.
Er, then quit complaining about Trump and crony capitalism if it ends up in dumb arguments that are equal to both sides.
It would be like me going over to a lefty site and complaining that the democrat leaders didn't listen to the base.
Posted by: person for Hillary at July 25, 2016 01:32 PM (eSQgj)
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Er, then quit complaining about Trump and crony capitalism if it ends up in dumb arguments that are equal to both sides.
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I'll engage in debate however I see fit. When someone asks for an example, I'll oblige. If that starts a more general discussion on something, I'll engage.
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I'll engage in debate however I see fit. When someone asks for an example, I'll oblige. If that starts a more general discussion on something, I'll engage.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:34 PM (gmeXX)
605
602 Carter Page. Google him.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 25, 2016 01:31 PM (n6ODX)
ROTFLMAOThat's a POLITICO story. You know the "news" arm of the DNC.Priceless!!!!!That's how we do it though, confuse these rubes with media/corruptocrat/DNC "conspiracies".
What's the next DNC talking point on the list??? I'm sure Politico vetted it.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 25, 2016 01:31 PM (n6ODX)
ROTFLMAOThat's a POLITICO story. You know the "news" arm of the DNC.Priceless!!!!!That's how we do it though, confuse these rubes with media/corruptocrat/DNC "conspiracies".
What's the next DNC talking point on the list??? I'm sure Politico vetted it.
Posted by: person for Hillary at July 25, 2016 01:35 PM (eSQgj)
606
I don't listen to any Trump advocacy except the 'he's not Hillary' argument . Any other argument trying to convince me that Trump is a positive just pushes me in the opposite direction and I lose some respect for that advocate.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 01:40 PM (W9BSD)
607
36 FAB says Trump will make the troops commit war crimes
No shit
War crimes
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (zOTsN)
Um, did you miss the GOP debates?
TRUMP said he would make US Troops commit war crimes, in one of the GOP debates.
His 2nd take when told the military wouldn't do that for him?
He said they'd have to, and they wouldn't dare cross him.
It took him 5-6 iterations and a couple days to get to the rational response of NOT endorsing and demanding war crimes and violations of the Geneva conventions.
So saying Trump would use the US Military to commit war crimes is an accurate quote of Trump.
And it is Trump's gut instinct before his advisors spend a few days correcting his personal views.
No shit
War crimes
Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (zOTsN)
Um, did you miss the GOP debates?
TRUMP said he would make US Troops commit war crimes, in one of the GOP debates.
His 2nd take when told the military wouldn't do that for him?
He said they'd have to, and they wouldn't dare cross him.
It took him 5-6 iterations and a couple days to get to the rational response of NOT endorsing and demanding war crimes and violations of the Geneva conventions.
So saying Trump would use the US Military to commit war crimes is an accurate quote of Trump.
And it is Trump's gut instinct before his advisors spend a few days correcting his personal views.
Posted by: gekkobear at July 25, 2016 01:42 PM (kq7Of)
608
This is all that should matter to anyone who is an actual conservative:
If Hillary wins, she will appoint Scalia's replacement. This replacement is certain to be a leftist, as Democrats only pick left-wing ideologues.
The USSC will then have five leftists, plus one moderate, one semi-conservative, and two conservatives.
As a result of this, it is a near-certainty that the Heller decision will be overturned, soon. The 2nd Amendment will then effectively be dead. And after that, the government will come for your guns.
The only way to prevent this scenario is to prevent Hillary from becoming president. The only other candidate who has a chance to beat Hillary is Trump.
Therefore, the best course of action for a conservative is to hold his/her nose and vote for Trump.
QED.
If Hillary wins, she will appoint Scalia's replacement. This replacement is certain to be a leftist, as Democrats only pick left-wing ideologues.
The USSC will then have five leftists, plus one moderate, one semi-conservative, and two conservatives.
As a result of this, it is a near-certainty that the Heller decision will be overturned, soon. The 2nd Amendment will then effectively be dead. And after that, the government will come for your guns.
The only way to prevent this scenario is to prevent Hillary from becoming president. The only other candidate who has a chance to beat Hillary is Trump.
Therefore, the best course of action for a conservative is to hold his/her nose and vote for Trump.
QED.
Posted by: WARPIG at July 25, 2016 01:42 PM (KL5Ns)
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What's the next DNC talking point on the list??? I'm sure Politico vetted it.
Posted by: person for Hillary at July 25, 2016 01:35 PM (eSQgj)
Hey dagny, how about you argue in favor of some element of Trump's awful foreign policy
Posted by: person for Hillary at July 25, 2016 01:35 PM (eSQgj)
Hey dagny, how about you argue in favor of some element of Trump's awful foreign policy
Posted by: person at July 25, 2016 01:43 PM (mFkVC)
610
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 01:21 PM (HGtd0)
Good to know you've dismissed a sizable portion of the GOP base well before the election.
Keep attacking them as much as you can, and MORE name calling of all who do not bow to the Orange Cheezus!
That's how you win an election.
Blind faith, and insults and attacks against those in your own party.
It's so crazy it just might work... Except it won't.
Good to know you've dismissed a sizable portion of the GOP base well before the election.
Keep attacking them as much as you can, and MORE name calling of all who do not bow to the Orange Cheezus!
That's how you win an election.
Blind faith, and insults and attacks against those in your own party.
It's so crazy it just might work... Except it won't.
Posted by: gekkobear at July 25, 2016 01:46 PM (kq7Of)
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Trump has got 2 problems, one I think he can take care of fairly easily, the other I have no idea what he's doing.
I think he's got plenty of opportunity to attack Hillary in the way she needs to be attacked - this might not take much effort as the e-mails seem to be doing the work for him.
His problem is that instead of basically forgetting Ted Cruz existed, and letting the rest of the party that didn't vote for him in the primaries to naturally gravitate toward him for the general - he continues to attack Cruz and by relation, Cruz's (and anyone else for that matter) voters.
Trump literally has to do nothing, but he's continuing to attack republicans... republicans in the senate that will be his natural allies.. talking about super pacs (of which he'll never cut a check for) to take them out. I have no idea what he's strategy here is. Unless he's trying to throw the election, there is literally no reason to continue that nonsense.
I think he's got plenty of opportunity to attack Hillary in the way she needs to be attacked - this might not take much effort as the e-mails seem to be doing the work for him.
His problem is that instead of basically forgetting Ted Cruz existed, and letting the rest of the party that didn't vote for him in the primaries to naturally gravitate toward him for the general - he continues to attack Cruz and by relation, Cruz's (and anyone else for that matter) voters.
Trump literally has to do nothing, but he's continuing to attack republicans... republicans in the senate that will be his natural allies.. talking about super pacs (of which he'll never cut a check for) to take them out. I have no idea what he's strategy here is. Unless he's trying to throw the election, there is literally no reason to continue that nonsense.
Posted by: Reality Man at July 25, 2016 01:48 PM (Ch0fq)
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I voted for Ted Cruz in the primary. You know, the guy who's actually conservative, who's been a conservative all his life, who actually understands conservative positions.
Remember, all you Trumpists are supporting a Hillary donor, while accusing those who refuse to vote for either of these clowns of being Hillary surrogates.
As for criticizing Hillary, I do that enough. However, she's not the one taking her liberal views and trying to infiltrate the party that's supposed to represent people like me. So I've had to adjust targets.
Remember, all you Trumpists are supporting a Hillary donor, while accusing those who refuse to vote for either of these clowns of being Hillary surrogates.
As for criticizing Hillary, I do that enough. However, she's not the one taking her liberal views and trying to infiltrate the party that's supposed to represent people like me. So I've had to adjust targets.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 01:49 PM (hxUdS)
613
I read in one of your posts that you like to argue. You evidently don't understand what an argument is. An argument is nothing but an intellectual fight. Fights don't go to the person who is right - they go to the person who fights the best. People who win intellectual fights suffer from the misconception that they are right. One of the greatest lessons I ever learned was that I could win an argument and be dead wrong in everything I had said. You evidently haven't learned that lesson.
Don't start none there won't be none.
Don't start none there won't be none.
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 01:50 PM (vGhPp)
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I read in one of your posts that you like to argue. You evidently don't understand what an argument is. An argument is nothing but an intellectual fight. Fights don't go to the person who is right - they go to the person who fights the best. People who win intellectual fights suffer from the misconception that they are right. One of the greatest lessons I ever learned was that I could win an argument and be dead wrong in everything I had said. You evidently haven't learned that lesson.
Don't start none there won't be none.
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I have no clue what you are trying to say.
Don't start none there won't be none.
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I have no clue what you are trying to say.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 01:51 PM (gmeXX)
615
Eminent Domain discussions?
So we're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic again?
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (Jzg4b)
yeah that is always their final wall to make a stand on
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:09 PM (zp+j1)
Property rights are the foundation of our prosperity and basic freedoms. Without them we are nothing.
I'm shocked that everyone here has forgotten that. Trump really has taken over your minds and erased your critical thinking.
I'll probably vote for the horrible SOB,but I can see right now the damage he's already causing. The damage is to be seen right here on this page.
I'll only vote for him because Hillary's party is already deeply engaged in destroying the US.
So we're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic again?
Posted by: Bumble at July 25, 2016 01:06 PM (Jzg4b)
yeah that is always their final wall to make a stand on
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 01:09 PM (zp+j1)
Property rights are the foundation of our prosperity and basic freedoms. Without them we are nothing.
I'm shocked that everyone here has forgotten that. Trump really has taken over your minds and erased your critical thinking.
I'll probably vote for the horrible SOB,but I can see right now the damage he's already causing. The damage is to be seen right here on this page.
I'll only vote for him because Hillary's party is already deeply engaged in destroying the US.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:53 PM (ozZau)
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So saying Trump would use the US Military to commit war crimes is an accurate quote of Trump.
And it is Trump's gut instinct before his advisors spend a few days correcting his personal views.
Posted by: gekkobear at July 25, 2016 01:42 PM (kq7Of)
Words just don't mean what they used to.
"Quote" for one. "Paraphrase" was passed right by to redefine "quote" as "Interpretation".
Not that it was an unfair interpretation.Had Trump been more familiar with the laws of warfare he may have been able to refine his statements... ah, whatever.
And it is Trump's gut instinct before his advisors spend a few days correcting his personal views.
Posted by: gekkobear at July 25, 2016 01:42 PM (kq7Of)
Words just don't mean what they used to.
"Quote" for one. "Paraphrase" was passed right by to redefine "quote" as "Interpretation".
Not that it was an unfair interpretation.Had Trump been more familiar with the laws of warfare he may have been able to refine his statements... ah, whatever.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2016 01:55 PM (P/kVC)
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I'll only vote for him because Hillary's party is already deeply engaged in destroying the US.
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:53 PM (ozZau)
And judges
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:53 PM (ozZau)
And judges
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 25, 2016 01:57 PM (ozZau)
618
Posted by: gekkobear at July 25, 2016 01:46 PM (kq7Of)
gekkobear,*
You can vote for whoever you damn well please or don't.
For one thing, I don't see you cluttering up every Trump thread with Integrity Peacocking but I could be wrong.
In any event, your type of NeverTrump I wasn't talking about.
Where I'm coming from is this, and you can check in the old threads if you wish-
I was a Cruz supporter but he lost.
And Trump won.
Anyone who's ever played sports knows that sometimes you lose.
That's reality.
Cruz may have been a yard of freedom and Trump an inch, but I'll take that inch instead of Hillary!'s mile of oppression.
And i have never dismissed NeverTrumps...they dismissed themselves by virtue of their position.
They took themselves out of the game.
So, other than not bowing to the Orange Cheezus, what's your end game?
And why do you deserve special courting from the victor of the GOP primaries and now candidate when you've taken the position that you won't vote for him?
I think that's pretty damn illogical if you ask me.
*Yeah, yeah, I'm a hypocrite by answering but gb is one of teh krazees.
gekkobear,*
You can vote for whoever you damn well please or don't.
For one thing, I don't see you cluttering up every Trump thread with Integrity Peacocking but I could be wrong.
In any event, your type of NeverTrump I wasn't talking about.
Where I'm coming from is this, and you can check in the old threads if you wish-
I was a Cruz supporter but he lost.
And Trump won.
Anyone who's ever played sports knows that sometimes you lose.
That's reality.
Cruz may have been a yard of freedom and Trump an inch, but I'll take that inch instead of Hillary!'s mile of oppression.
And i have never dismissed NeverTrumps...they dismissed themselves by virtue of their position.
They took themselves out of the game.
So, other than not bowing to the Orange Cheezus, what's your end game?
And why do you deserve special courting from the victor of the GOP primaries and now candidate when you've taken the position that you won't vote for him?
I think that's pretty damn illogical if you ask me.
*Yeah, yeah, I'm a hypocrite by answering but gb is one of teh krazees.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 01:59 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 02:03 PM (0cMkb)
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Cronyism differs from offering tax incentives for a number of reasons.
1. The tax incentives are available to any and everyone bidding on the job, and that includes you; as you are free to submit a bid on those jobs. You are unlikely to win the bid because you lack the substance necessary to convince the government that your bid is sincere.
2. The tax incentives are a matter of public record - they are official offers.
3. Cronyism is done on the sly and in the dark under the table - and it is a scandal when it comes to light.
For example - what happened to the $1,000,000,000,000 in 'stimulus' money in 2008? Answer: Have you noticed how many Billionaires there are now - who you had never heard of before the Stimulus - who support the Democratic party? Obama made about 100 Billionaires - hundreds of people worth a hundred million, thousands worth a million. Those were all the recipients of his Cronyism.
1. The tax incentives are available to any and everyone bidding on the job, and that includes you; as you are free to submit a bid on those jobs. You are unlikely to win the bid because you lack the substance necessary to convince the government that your bid is sincere.
2. The tax incentives are a matter of public record - they are official offers.
3. Cronyism is done on the sly and in the dark under the table - and it is a scandal when it comes to light.
For example - what happened to the $1,000,000,000,000 in 'stimulus' money in 2008? Answer: Have you noticed how many Billionaires there are now - who you had never heard of before the Stimulus - who support the Democratic party? Obama made about 100 Billionaires - hundreds of people worth a hundred million, thousands worth a million. Those were all the recipients of his Cronyism.
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 02:23 PM (vGhPp)
621
On the original subject - I expect the Hillary phenomenon to continue - i.e. the more people hear her the less they like her - to continue, and for her to get a negative boost from the convention.
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 02:29 PM (vGhPp)
622
NeverTrump was a cool idea when the election was going to be a rout. Then the NeverTrumpers could have been all principled and shit, and said "I told you so." But the race is not going to be a rout. It is going to be tight, very tight. Tell me how your principles taste after Hillary wins in a squeaker then proceeds to replace Scalia and Ginsburg with two 42-year old lock-step progressives that changes the completion of SCOTUS for the remainder of my lifetime.
Anyone who calls themselves a conservative, but who does anything, or fails to do anything, that increases the odds the ascension of that corrupt old hag, needs to seriously re-examine their motivations and question their own conservative credentials. It's all hands on deck time!
Anyone who calls themselves a conservative, but who does anything, or fails to do anything, that increases the odds the ascension of that corrupt old hag, needs to seriously re-examine their motivations and question their own conservative credentials. It's all hands on deck time!
Posted by: tommylotto at July 25, 2016 02:30 PM (A3a8d)
623
I have voted in every primary and general election since 1972. I have also spent thousands of hours volunteering in Republican campaigns. I have always voted Republican but I have never reflexively voted for all Republicans on the ballot. A candidate has to earn my vote. I also perform due diligence on the candidates I vote for . Trump lacks the emotional character, the management skills, the moral compass and a minimum commitment to constitutional government to ever receive my vote. Indeed, there is no acceptable outcome among either major party candidate this election.
There is also a lot of magical thinking and frothing at the mouth on both sides of the aisle about the other's corrupt, crony ridden megalomaniacal senior citizen with no demonstrable competence in solving the looming financial crises of a system wallowing in debt. These voters would rather fret and finger point at the other side over secondary issues like the wall and BLM.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius, Meditations.
There is also a lot of magical thinking and frothing at the mouth on both sides of the aisle about the other's corrupt, crony ridden megalomaniacal senior citizen with no demonstrable competence in solving the looming financial crises of a system wallowing in debt. These voters would rather fret and finger point at the other side over secondary issues like the wall and BLM.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius, Meditations.
Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at July 25, 2016 02:33 PM (dUhPF)
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Anyone who calls themselves a conservative, but who does anything, or fails to do anything, that increases the odds the ascension of that corrupt old hag, needs to seriously re-examine their motivations and question their own conservative credentials. It's all hands on deck time!
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If we all agree to vote Trump, can we all agree this is the last time? Because future Presidents will always have an opportunity to appoint a justice. The next Republican is always likely to be less of a leftist than the Dem, so it will always be arguable that you should vote GOP no matter what. Can we agree that this is the one special time where it is more important than all other times?
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If we all agree to vote Trump, can we all agree this is the last time? Because future Presidents will always have an opportunity to appoint a justice. The next Republican is always likely to be less of a leftist than the Dem, so it will always be arguable that you should vote GOP no matter what. Can we agree that this is the one special time where it is more important than all other times?
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 02:42 PM (gmeXX)
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So Trump is winning polls without NeverTrumpers support, and you say he needs our support because...?
It's early, but I think he can still win this election without my soul. Thanks.
It's early, but I think he can still win this election without my soul. Thanks.
Posted by: Steven S. at July 25, 2016 02:44 PM (JpEvT)
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I think there is a lot of truth to the Ace analysis that much of politics is social signaling, i.e. the fear among educated white people of being associated with icky Kaboom eaters.
An inconvenient truth, I think, is that women are even more sensitive to social stigma than men: for the same reason you see more ugly /successful guys paired with hot wives than the reverse. There is more female DNA tied up with social status than for men, and so, correspondingly, more women feel it is viscerally un-acceptable to be associated with a candidate that diminishes their social status.
George Will of course is excepted. I have this image in mind of his bow tie being made of cartoon rubber so you can cartoon puch him in the face while holding the tie in the other hand, so he makes "boing" sounds each time his head snaps back into your fist.
And yes. I denounce myself.
An inconvenient truth, I think, is that women are even more sensitive to social stigma than men: for the same reason you see more ugly /successful guys paired with hot wives than the reverse. There is more female DNA tied up with social status than for men, and so, correspondingly, more women feel it is viscerally un-acceptable to be associated with a candidate that diminishes their social status.
George Will of course is excepted. I have this image in mind of his bow tie being made of cartoon rubber so you can cartoon puch him in the face while holding the tie in the other hand, so he makes "boing" sounds each time his head snaps back into your fist.
And yes. I denounce myself.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 25, 2016 02:58 PM (k8tEg)
627
Here is a thought:
If Trump pulls us out of NATO, or does not defend a NATO ally which will dissolve the union, the US will lose the ability to command an organization whose members (not including the US) create 20 trillion dollars in GDP per year and have over 5 million active and reserve troops.
What in the world could Hillary do that's worse than that? Allow city governments to decide their own gun control rules? Fine, move out of Chicago and DC. I love Heller, but I'd rather return to pre 2010 gun laws than lose NATO.
Because China has a 12 tril economy and 4 mil troops. They are an existential threat in any war without NATO.
If Trump pulls us out of NATO, or does not defend a NATO ally which will dissolve the union, the US will lose the ability to command an organization whose members (not including the US) create 20 trillion dollars in GDP per year and have over 5 million active and reserve troops.
What in the world could Hillary do that's worse than that? Allow city governments to decide their own gun control rules? Fine, move out of Chicago and DC. I love Heller, but I'd rather return to pre 2010 gun laws than lose NATO.
Because China has a 12 tril economy and 4 mil troops. They are an existential threat in any war without NATO.
Posted by: Stone at July 25, 2016 02:59 PM (qRV1m)
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I think there is a lot of truth to the Ace analysis that much of politics is social signaling, i.e. the fear among educated white people of being associated with icky Kaboom eaters.
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I absolutely believe there is a lot of social signaling - not just on one side.
I think you saw it when polls would show that the public favored gay marriage, but then it would lose in an election.
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I absolutely believe there is a lot of social signaling - not just on one side.
I think you saw it when polls would show that the public favored gay marriage, but then it would lose in an election.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 03:00 PM (gmeXX)
629
@627
Just wow.
As though NATO will add 1% of effectiveness in a shooting/nuke war with Chiner over what the US (sole Pacific power projector among NATO) already has.
Sometimes its time to bury the dead rather than pretend the corpse is going to drive you home after dinner. We still need alliances, but NATO has never been a means of adding to the defense of the US as such, but rather a tripwire to make the Russkies think twice about bold maneuvers, and that purpose can no longer be served by the NATO as exists today.
Arm the Poles, the Ukranians and you have every bit of effectiveness that NATO of today can give you, minus pain in the ass Turks of course.
Just wow.
As though NATO will add 1% of effectiveness in a shooting/nuke war with Chiner over what the US (sole Pacific power projector among NATO) already has.
Sometimes its time to bury the dead rather than pretend the corpse is going to drive you home after dinner. We still need alliances, but NATO has never been a means of adding to the defense of the US as such, but rather a tripwire to make the Russkies think twice about bold maneuvers, and that purpose can no longer be served by the NATO as exists today.
Arm the Poles, the Ukranians and you have every bit of effectiveness that NATO of today can give you, minus pain in the ass Turks of course.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 25, 2016 03:03 PM (k8tEg)
630
@629
Considering how the non US NATO economy is greater than ours and they have more than twice the troops we do, yes I'm pretty confident they would be a big deal. Your 1% is hyperbole.
Considering how the non US NATO economy is greater than ours and they have more than twice the troops we do, yes I'm pretty confident they would be a big deal. Your 1% is hyperbole.
Posted by: Stone at July 25, 2016 03:19 PM (qRV1m)
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Also, why was NATO a tripwire?
Because the combined economies and military of NATO would have beaten the USSR in any war, whereas they could hope for victory if squaring off against just the US.
Same exists for China today. Our deterrent against them is much stronger with NATO than without.
Because the combined economies and military of NATO would have beaten the USSR in any war, whereas they could hope for victory if squaring off against just the US.
Same exists for China today. Our deterrent against them is much stronger with NATO than without.
Posted by: Stone at July 25, 2016 03:31 PM (qRV1m)
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113 FWIW, Nate Silver of 538 fame has Trump at 57.8% chance of winning. The trend is our friend.
Posted by: oddnot does fret and with reason at July 25, 2016 11:57 AM (g1MTt)
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Backwards, actually, but up to 41.3 is a nice change.
Posted by: oddnot does fret and with reason at July 25, 2016 11:57 AM (g1MTt)
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Backwards, actually, but up to 41.3 is a nice change.
Posted by: Old Toby at July 25, 2016 03:39 PM (vP09u)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 25, 2016 03:49 PM (k8tEg)
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Look, here's the bottom line.
We lambaste liberals / progressives / Democrats for ruling, governing, and supporting policies based on their FEELZ. They ARE the emotion based community.
Well, I'm sorry to break it to you raging pussies, but George Will is most assuredly the tantrum throwing poster boy for you #NeverTrump jackasses.
You have a hunch. That's it. He might nominate liberals to SCOTUS. He might be just flat insane. Based on what ? A hunch. You have no evidence. There is no fact based anything. It'ls all "I FEEL LIKE HE'S BAD". What ? WHAT ?
Seriously, continue to pretend you are a "pure conservative" of some such BS. But please, go spend your time with the rest of the emotion based community because that's all that will be left when your "consequence free" campaigning for Hillary reaches it's logical conclusion.
We lambaste liberals / progressives / Democrats for ruling, governing, and supporting policies based on their FEELZ. They ARE the emotion based community.
Well, I'm sorry to break it to you raging pussies, but George Will is most assuredly the tantrum throwing poster boy for you #NeverTrump jackasses.
You have a hunch. That's it. He might nominate liberals to SCOTUS. He might be just flat insane. Based on what ? A hunch. You have no evidence. There is no fact based anything. It'ls all "I FEEL LIKE HE'S BAD". What ? WHAT ?
Seriously, continue to pretend you are a "pure conservative" of some such BS. But please, go spend your time with the rest of the emotion based community because that's all that will be left when your "consequence free" campaigning for Hillary reaches it's logical conclusion.
Posted by: deadrody at July 25, 2016 03:59 PM (W15tP)
635
Cronyism differs from offering tax incentives for a number of reasons.
1. The tax incentives are available to any and everyone bidding on the job, and that includes you;
as you are free to submit a bid on those jobs. You are unlikely to win
the bid because you lack the substance necessary to convince the
government that your bid is sincere.
2. The tax incentives are a matter of public record - they are official offers.
3. Cronyism is done on the sly and in the dark under the table - and it is a scandal when it comes to light.
For
example - what happened to the $1,000,000,000,000 in 'stimulus' money
in 2008? Answer: Have you noticed how many Billionaires there are now -
who you had never heard of before the Stimulus - who support the
Democratic party? Obama made about 100 Billionaires - hundreds of people
worth a hundred million, thousands worth a million. Those were all the
recipients of his Cronyism.
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 02:23 PM (vGhPp)
There is no difference between disparate tax treatment and cronyism. None at all.
1. The tax incentives are available to any and everyone bidding on the job, and that includes you;
as you are free to submit a bid on those jobs. You are unlikely to win
the bid because you lack the substance necessary to convince the
government that your bid is sincere.
2. The tax incentives are a matter of public record - they are official offers.
3. Cronyism is done on the sly and in the dark under the table - and it is a scandal when it comes to light.
For
example - what happened to the $1,000,000,000,000 in 'stimulus' money
in 2008? Answer: Have you noticed how many Billionaires there are now -
who you had never heard of before the Stimulus - who support the
Democratic party? Obama made about 100 Billionaires - hundreds of people
worth a hundred million, thousands worth a million. Those were all the
recipients of his Cronyism.
Posted by: An Observation at July 25, 2016 02:23 PM (vGhPp)
There is no difference between disparate tax treatment and cronyism. None at all.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 25, 2016 04:05 PM (3JA/M)
636
@633
Actually, Chiner isn't anywhere, as Chiner does not exist.
China is obviously not in Europe.
Actually, Chiner isn't anywhere, as Chiner does not exist.
China is obviously not in Europe.
Posted by: Stone at July 25, 2016 04:20 PM (qRV1m)
637
@634
Trump thinks protectionism is superior to free trade.
Trump thinks the US is stronger militarily without NATO.
Trump does not understand what a Trade Deficit is, as evident by the fact he continually brings it up in his speeches in an incorrect manner.
Trump will not touch entitlements.
Trump thinks putting tariffs on Chinese and Mexican goods will create jobs and grow our economy.
These are all facts, not hunches.
Conservatism has, until the past year, been based on economic conservatism/free trade, National Defense and Social Conservatism/family values.
He undermines the first two values and does not care about the third. Excuse some of us if we don't redefine Conservatism just because Trump was nominated. Excuse us if we still think these values are what the country needs.
Trump thinks protectionism is superior to free trade.
Trump thinks the US is stronger militarily without NATO.
Trump does not understand what a Trade Deficit is, as evident by the fact he continually brings it up in his speeches in an incorrect manner.
Trump will not touch entitlements.
Trump thinks putting tariffs on Chinese and Mexican goods will create jobs and grow our economy.
These are all facts, not hunches.
Conservatism has, until the past year, been based on economic conservatism/free trade, National Defense and Social Conservatism/family values.
He undermines the first two values and does not care about the third. Excuse some of us if we don't redefine Conservatism just because Trump was nominated. Excuse us if we still think these values are what the country needs.
Posted by: Stone at July 25, 2016 04:29 PM (qRV1m)
638
I mean, heck.
The pro Trumpers are the ones who are changing their minds about the positions the party should take. Honestly, don't be surprised when some people hold on to the old values because we still think they are the best for the country.
The pro Trumpers are the ones who are changing their minds about the positions the party should take. Honestly, don't be surprised when some people hold on to the old values because we still think they are the best for the country.
Posted by: Stone at July 25, 2016 04:32 PM (qRV1m)
639
On to victory!!
Posted by: Debbie Does Philadelphia at July 25, 2016 04:45 PM (97XyN)
640
@OP: Yeah, but Trump is a Democrat. If Pelosi won the Republican nomination, would you still vote for her? That's the issue for never trump people. Just because some/many people aren't aware of Trump's liberal positions doesn't mean he isn't a hardcore liberal. His many statements on various Republican positions should have made that clear.
Posted by: MrX at July 25, 2016 05:22 PM (if9v9)
641
Here's what's annoying me about this election: The pundits online whose opinions I've been substituting for independent thought are in disagreement with one another. I keep going back and forth, depending upon whose trusted voice I've read most recently. Vote for Trump, because Hillary Clinton means the end of the Republic? Yes! Vote for no one, because no matter how bad Hillary is, he's just an ass-clown not worthy of my vote? Yes! And back and forth and back and forth.
I hate this election.
I hate this election.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at July 25, 2016 06:10 PM (yjhOG)
642
Ace, you said Trump was done as recent as the Mex judge faux outrage, it weren't four months ago like you claim
Posted by: Kyle Smith at July 25, 2016 07:29 PM (L282n)
643
What all you so called concerned Patriots want me to do is vote for someone who has sold out to Putin.
Hell No.
Trump is a liar, a fascist and a traitor.
Most of you Trumpsters are probably FSB Trolls anyway.
Hell No.
Trump is a liar, a fascist and a traitor.
Most of you Trumpsters are probably FSB Trolls anyway.
Posted by: Unsk at July 25, 2016 08:55 PM (Tr/gv)
644
So using a poll without much context from 7/2016 is thought?
Show me a ground game, a new deportment that can win independents, the Bernie bro outcome, a plan for unauthorized voting by illegals. Show me more plausibility to the notion that trump won't be trounced and we can talk. Right now talking about this poll sounds like a cheap substitute for thought in itself.
Nice try. One less donor for you ace. I'm sticking w drew.
Show me a ground game, a new deportment that can win independents, the Bernie bro outcome, a plan for unauthorized voting by illegals. Show me more plausibility to the notion that trump won't be trounced and we can talk. Right now talking about this poll sounds like a cheap substitute for thought in itself.
Nice try. One less donor for you ace. I'm sticking w drew.
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