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How About a Health Thread?

So several of us have a Moron Health Club going, where we're following one or more aspects of the strategies in this post.

Here's my own update: Continue losing weight. Some muscles now kinda-sorta visible in stomach. At least... if you know what you're looking for. Feel pretty good. Started weightlifting. Immediately hurt shoulder with jackass benchpress form (and no spotter). Now off weightlifting for two weeks.

Here's a thing. I realized a while back that I'm relatively good at losing weight and getting into something that resembles normal shape. What I'm horrible at is keeping it off.

I'm sure many have this same problem -- yes, at first, it's easy, because you're full of enthusiasm and curiosity. it's fun to experiment with your body, like a scientist.

Then you get bored. You get down to those last stubborn 20 pounds and give up. And start... gaining weight again.

So: I did something I thought I'd never do. I joined a weight maitainence program. It starts in a couple of weeks, which is pretty good timing, because that's when I tend to get bored and say "You know what are good? Apple fritters, that's what."

I joined the program not because I think they have anything to teach me -- I think I now have a good strategy. Low carb high fat combined with Intermittent Fasting 16-20 hours a day with occasional (4 times a week) 22-24 hour fast days.

Working.

No, my reason for gong is not to learn how to do this.

It's to keep myself accountable to others for it.

Whenever I have to see the doctor, I lose weight that month. I just don't want to embarrass myself.

When I'm done with the doctor, well. No sense staying lean now, huh?

In the 4-Hour Body, a decent book by Tim Ferris, he repeats the truism "What gets measured, gets improved." And, conversely, what doesn't get measured -- when you don't check your weight; when you don't check your look in the mirror -- devolves.

he notes a study, by the way, in which people were asked to write down what they ate in a diary. They were given no dietary advice or restrictions. They could eat anything they wanted. They could do what they had always done.

Yet, they lost weight.

The simple act of being mindful of what they were eating -- journaling their food intake -- was enough to cause them to put themselves on a regime the researchers hadn't asked for.

So, what gets measured gets improved; what is not measured, devolves.

So I joined this health maintenance program to finally avoid the Aw Fuck It Let's Get Fribbles thing.

I need a nurse taking my weight every two weeks. Yes, I'm already checking it every day.

But I need someone else to tell me, "You've lost 6 pounds." Even though I already know I lost six pounds, it doesn't count unless someone acknowledges it.

That's my plan to stick on this.

But I also thought: Why not open a weekly Moron Health Club thread where other people can post their goals and gains, their strategies and the outcomes from them?

Again: What gets measured, gets improved.

So here are my stats.

Last year I got way overweight (after quitting smoking) then lost about 32 pounds. But then, of course, I gained about 27 back.

From that recent high point, I've lost 20 pounds, and am getting kind of sort of back to my best recent weight. The I can fight through my real resistance point: My problem comes at 180 pounds. I want to be 170, or even 165. But when I hit 180 my body resists further weight loss. I can get to 178 but then I stop losing.*

Then come the Pop Tarts.

I'm on a fat fast right now, to help me get some momentum to break through my 180 pound wall.

Anyway, if you're already in the Moron Health Club, or would like to start, please enroll below.

By the way: Um, I'm not a doctor. You shouldn't listen to me. Everything I say about health is poison and will kill you. That's my disclosure. Listen to any of the stupid things that come plopping out of my mouth about any topic at all at your own risk.


* I'm kind of hitting a new resistance point at 187 but then, I'm also taking creatine -- a muscle volumizer that just stuffs water into your muscles, giving you a purely cosmetic "muscley" look -- so that's adding some water weight.

Posted by: Ace at 06:25 PM




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1 "What gets measured, gets improved."

Oh, if only.

Posted by: Men everywhere at July 21, 2016 06:28 PM (LAe3v)

2 I need a nurse taking my weight every two weeks.

Is she a hot nurse, or, you know, Nurse Ratched?

Posted by: pep at July 21, 2016 06:29 PM (LAe3v)

3 DAMM, 2d?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at July 21, 2016 06:29 PM (2exYR)

4 " it's fun to experiment with your body"

TMI

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at July 21, 2016 06:29 PM (CbG28)

5 Dear ace, I've been real itchy on my back and shoulders lately, what gives?

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 21, 2016 06:30 PM (4e+hS)

6 Something that has helped me in the past (and which I need to get back to) is to focus less on the weight, and more on capability. Can I run a mile in X time? Can I do Y pushups/pullups? Have I mastered this figure in Argentine Tango?

Those kind of goals seem to work for me because it forces me to examine what I'm doing in terms of an endstate. It's easier to resist the apple fritters if I think it's going to affect my abilities elsewhere, rather than just "well, I want to lose weight/lower my blood pressure/whatever".

Posted by: Oregon Sheriffs Association. at July 21, 2016 06:30 PM (LUG6K)

7 Gah, sock off!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 21, 2016 06:31 PM (LUG6K)

8 My low carb and ice cream diet has been a dismal failure, so far.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 21, 2016 06:31 PM (4e+hS)

9 Dude-

Doesn't creatine give you the worst gas?

Posted by: scofflaw_x at July 21, 2016 06:32 PM (ekGL3)

10 I haven't had more than 2 grams of carbs the whole fucking week.

I'm about ready to cut a bitch, to be honest. The first day I felt like grim death. I've also been doing the fasting -- although that's not much of a difference for me, I've been skipping supper for about 10 years.

I'm 50, 6'1.5", 200 lb. I'm doing this in the hopes of seeing my abdominal muscles once again. Haven't seen those sons of bitches in about...18 years? Wonder if they're still there.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 06:32 PM (+EU58)

11 >>>1 "What gets measured, gets improved."

Oh, if only.
Posted by: Men everywhere

...

haha. Yes, if only.

Okay, except for that.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:32 PM (dciA+)

12 I'm doing HFLC diet, too. I'm diabetic/pre-diabetic.

This diet is really good. Feel great. Feel full.

I've lost 7 pounds in a couple weeks.

I'm not really religious about it either.

I just try for one meal to be HFLC, and the other to be careful about not being caloric heavy/carb heavy.

Also intermittent fasting only 16 hours a day about 4-5 times per week.

How can you do 20 hours? Seems tough.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 21, 2016 06:32 PM (UBBWX)

13 If you keep pulling it ,it will get longer.

Posted by: steevy at July 21, 2016 06:32 PM (B48dK)

14 >>>9 Dude-

Doesn't creatine give you the worst gas?

...

no not really. is that a common side effect?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:33 PM (dciA+)

15 "Dude-

Doesn't creatine give you the worst gas?"

And I mean as a side benefit...

Posted by: scofflaw_x at July 21, 2016 06:33 PM (ekGL3)

16 I will be 44 next month and damn if my metabolism did not take a nose dive after 40. Always maintained at 130 - 135 pounds but in a blink I put on 15 pounds and am now at 150. And cannot seem to lose it even though I exercise daily, run a 5k once a month..it is all in the diet and I like food...so am back to trying nutrisystem. Have not been 100% faithful this first month but it does keep me somewhat accountable.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 06:33 PM (a0IVu)

17 I'm doing a nutritional challenge at the moment. It started with simply taking note of the reasons why I was eating a particular food at a particular time--no changes, just awareness.
That was genuinely helpful.
Right now it is in a very strict phase. I eat only meat, eggs and green vegetables. It's a little boring but seems effective at changing measurements in the right direction, weight loss and a sense of well being.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:33 PM (hJrjt)

18 >>>How can you do 20 hours? Seems tough.

nah. once you get used to 16 hours, you just blunder into 20 hours almost by accident.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:33 PM (dciA+)

19 http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=116587971

Just google: "Why does creatine make me fart?" Pretty common in some, not in others I guess.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at July 21, 2016 06:34 PM (ekGL3)

20 And speaking of scofflaws (commenter 9) -- I haven't had a goddamned cocktail all week. And here you are with your delicious nick, tempting me with your bourbon and sweet vermouth and orange bitters. You dick hole.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 06:34 PM (+EU58)

21 Ace, I used to be a GOOOOD basketball player. Back in those days I started to lift weights to build up my strength. My workout goal back then was to improve my b-ball game.

Then time went by, and my game declined. But I still worked out, and my workout included b-ball. My workout goal shifted, to: Improve my overall conditioning health.

Then more time went by, and I developed a new, what I believe to be permanent workout priority:

DON'T GET INJURED.

If I get injured, I can't do any workouts, and the flab just PILES ON...Better an easier, safer workout, than an injury! Spotters are good.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at July 21, 2016 06:35 PM (2exYR)

22 Anyway, if you're already in the Moron Health Club, or would like to start, please enroll below.


Is this an official thing? Because I'll sign up.

For me being in shape is psychological.

I've been in an out shape all my life. By in shape, I mean ripped like you'd see in a gay magazine. By out of shape I mean, yeah, you can hang 30 extra pounds on that frame because you're big, but no I actually can't.

So the last time I was in super shape was two years ago because I was desperately trying to hold on to that really hot girl from high school. And when that didn't work I stopped caring.

I've lost most of the weight again because of intermittent fasting, but I'm not really doing it on purpose.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2016 06:35 PM (1xUj/)

23 I'm in! I have been high fat low carb since reading Gary Taubes about four years ago. Dinner tonight: Omelette cooked in butter and oilve oil.

Posted by: USA at July 21, 2016 06:35 PM (tfM+W)

24 I have been getting back into working out myself. The biggest thing for me usually is establishing the habit- if I can do that, then I am golden.

I have mostly been aiming at making the workouts sustainable until I am really established, which is why I stayed away from the weightlifting and am now just concentrating on cardio.

I tend to believe that weightlifting is better than cardio for weight and health improvement, but I have also found that it is really easy to derail your plan if you pull just one of the amazing number of muscles you have.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 06:35 PM (3ZoRf)

25 I wonder how much Kate Upton's boobs weigh?

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2016 06:35 PM (Sfs6o)

26 Ace...I demand a Ghostbusters review.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:35 PM (qUNWi)

27 Creating used to cause muscle cramps in a bad way. But I haven't used it since the Army, so newer stuff is probably better.

Posted by: UGAdawg at July 21, 2016 06:36 PM (HL3BI)

28 i've only been taking creatine for like nine days (with four days off in between). maybe I have some farting ahead of me.

i'm also not taking it right now because i'm not lifting so I figure why bother

but I still have some water weight

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:36 PM (dciA+)

29 I am in very poor health.

That's my contribution to the health thread.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 21, 2016 06:36 PM (wB8Tg)

30 Ehh, I'm in the same place, need to lose weight (again). But I have been on so many weight loss regimes in the past, which worked great until I got bored, that I don't know if I can commit. It's a grim process. You need a healthy modicum of self loathing to do that to yourself. Self hatred is good. Say, how could you let this happen to yourself??

It's not just about looks either. It's joint and hip pain, late onset diabetes...seen it happen..

At least I do exercise every day. But, no more beer or ice cream! No pastries! Wah.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte, now with sugartits at July 21, 2016 06:36 PM (t5zNk)

31 Some muscles now kinda-sorta visible in stomach.

I'm down nearly 30 pounds in the last 12 months thanks to low-carb and now the occasional IF. Got a 2 pack going so far. Maybe a hint of a 4 pack.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 06:36 PM (rwI+c)

32 Ace, this intermittent fasting reminds, slightly, of a program I read about in a bodybuilding magazine years ago.
That one encouraging alternating overfeeding, with underfeeding, which, I suppose, was supposed to keep your metabolism operating at peak efficiency.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:36 PM (hJrjt)

33 25
I wonder how much Kate Upton's boobs weigh?


I believe they are measured in ass-tons.

Posted by: pep at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (LAe3v)

34 If you are seriously working out, and it sounds as if you are, don't focus so much on weight loss. You are building muscle and that weighs more than fat so you will hit these plateaus.

A better measure is percent body fat. When I was seriously into staying in shape I would focus on the body fat measurement because that was the thing that really mattered.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (/tuJf)

35 Doing "Starting Strength". Have gained 7 pounds in a month. Hoping it's mostly muscle. He recommends 4 big meals a day. Got that part down.

Seriously, added 65 pounds to my squat. Up to 72 pounds!

Posted by: jd at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (IiR2y)

36 We're all going to die some day, and it's Trump's fault!

Okay, just passing gas here.

I'm 60 years old, in pretty good health, but my personal life is a wreck. I think it's all genetic, anyways. My father's brothers all had wrecked personal lives too (but they were alcoholics, which I am not). Maybe the reason you have dysfuntional relationships is .....you.

How do we fix that? Well, no one can but me. If you want help, inquire within.


Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (RFeQD)

37 As Billy Joel would say, "There is nothing sadder than a man on a diet."

You only live once. Spending time from it on a diet sounds like a waste.

Posted by: TKYC at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (EvxH9)

38 I believe they are measured in ass-tons.

Metric Mouthfuls.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (rwI+c)

39 My change in diet has produced some prodigious flatulence.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:38 PM (hJrjt)

40 32, that is what the slow carb diet advocates too. Adhere to the slow carb diet 6 days a week and go hog wild on day 7.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 06:38 PM (a0IVu)

41 Weight loss Pro-tip: Pick a hot, young woman as your doctor.

Posted by: USA at July 21, 2016 06:38 PM (tfM+W)

42 weight in itself is not the best yardstick if you intend on lifting. Muscle weighs more than fat. A good BMI/scale would be a useful tool. Weight static or up BUT BMI down, thats good.

Posted by: Cu'Chuillain at July 21, 2016 06:38 PM (8mYHH)

43 Kate Upton's boobs are appx 10 Beckinsales.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:39 PM (qUNWi)

44 I wonder how much Kate Upton's boobs weigh?

I believe they are measured in ass-tons.


Posted by: pep

There's some important research to be done here. I'll get back to you on that.....someday.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at July 21, 2016 06:39 PM (RFeQD)

45 Is there some kind of exercise program based around lifting/weighing Kate Upton's boobs? I'd be sweating like a m@therf@cker...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at July 21, 2016 06:39 PM (2exYR)

46 I was doing squats for the first time in my life and kind of digging them -- I always dreaded them, feared them almost. But I haven't found them that horrifying.

Then... hurting myself with the bench press.

And it had been the squats I had feared would cause the injury.

Instapundit told me to warm up doing squats on the Bosu ball (the half-ball balance ball). He said it rewires your neurons so much you can almost feel it.

I didn't feel it yet but it seems like a good thing to keep after.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:39 PM (dciA+)

47 I tend to believe the discipline involved in losing fat and getting fitter spill over into other areas of life, which is part of why I'm committed to a pretty disciplined diet.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:40 PM (hJrjt)

48 >>>It starts in a couple of weeks, which is pretty good timing, because
that's when I tend to get bored and say "You know what are good? Apple
fritters, that's what."<<<



Especially in a few weeks, when we start to get all that great Fall food.


Mmmm, cider donuts from Randall's Farm... apple cake... chocolate chip pumpkin bread... okay, just about anything they sell.

Posted by: the Autumn Wind is a Raider Dessert Scented Temptress at July 21, 2016 06:40 PM (H9MG5)

49 I was surprised how much weightlifting has made me feel better & look better over the last 2 years. I think the squats make me feel better. I get this "thrumming" feeling a few hours after a good workout. I never got that with running & I used to run a lot. I think the bench has made me look better. I didn't think I needed to put on muscle--I'm built pretty bulky with big shoulders--but now my chest size seems to fit with my shoulder size.

Posted by: Dave at July 21, 2016 06:40 PM (NL/S2)

50 34 If you are seriously working out, and it sounds as if you are, don't focus so much on weight loss. You are building muscle and that weighs more than fat so you will hit these plateaus.

A better measure is percent body fat. When I was seriously into staying in shape I would focus on the body fat measurement because that was the thing that really mattered.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (/tuJf)

Good advice. Also, do not kill yourself trying to get a six pack. Some people are just blessed with good genes and have a low body fat %. Others end up resorting to all sorts of bad ideas trying to get their body looking like the guy on the Protein container.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 06:41 PM (3ZoRf)

51 >>>40 32, that is what the slow carb diet advocates too. Adhere to the slow carb diet 6 days a week and go hog wild on day 7.

i can't do a cheat day. I took "you can eat whatever you want on your cheat day" rather literally.

On cheat day I ate a whole box of oreos, six donuts, and a tube of Pringles, PLUS carby real food.

Guess what? It's not true you can eat "anything you want" on cheat day.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:41 PM (dciA+)

52 Isaac Newton had a 6 pack.

True story.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:41 PM (qUNWi)

53 How many mouths full are represented in Kate Uptons boobs?

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:41 PM (hJrjt)

54 I eat Pop Tarts every day as well as anything else I want and it doesn't do anything.
But have been bike riding for a little longer every week to exercise.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 06:42 PM (bksJQ)

55 51 >>>40 32, that is what the slow carb diet advocates too. Adhere to the slow carb diet 6 days a week and go hog wild on day 7.

i can't do a cheat day. I took "you can eat whatever you want on your cheat day" rather literally.

On cheat day I ate a whole box of oreos, six donuts, and a tube of Pringles, PLUS carby real food.

I get the psychology of cheat days but I wonder, if I really believe certain foods are genuinely not healthy for me, why would I eat them?

Guess what? It's not true you can eat "anything you want" on cheat day.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:41 PM (dciA+)

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:42 PM (hJrjt)

56 How many mouths full are represented in Kate Uptons boobs?

Mouthfulls are quatum.

There are only ever 2 mouthfuls.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (qUNWi)

57
Have gained 7 pounds in a month. Hoping it's mostly muscle.


Its virtually impossible to gain more than a pound or two of muscle a month

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (lKyWE)

58 my two rules, which I don't follow as much as I'd like, but I lost a lot of weight some years ago (later gained much of it back but eventually lost most of it again)

skip the evening meal (alcohol allowed, but not sugary girly alcohol)

don't ride whenever you can walk. along walk with a decent cigar can make for a good escape from things.

my two cents.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (qSIlh)

59 How tall are you, Ace? I'm 6' and a smidge and 180 seems pretty low already. My near term goal is 200, intermediate goal 185 and long term is getting back to fighting weight at 172 1/2.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (rwI+c)

60 Unfortunately, my point of resistance is more like 230....but, just got back from physical, and the doctor remains disappointed that a sedentary cuss who drinks as much as I do can stay so healthy.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (EzgxV)

61 If you want to relieve stress join a boxing gym. You don't have to spar if you don't want to . Heavy bag, speed bag and rope work are great for stress, cardio and muscle building. I have a speed bag and heavy bag at home. Don't spar any more 'cause I no longer like to get hit.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (8yZ+3)

62 Guess what? It's not true you can eat "anything you want" on cheat day.

Posted by: ace

My problem was a cheat meal became a cheat day, which became a cheat weekend. Now I'm back to no cheats.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (UPYhp)

63 IC at 16: Yeah, I hit that metabolic cliff too. There was a time when I'd come home, masturbate, make a giant milk shake with a half-gallon of ice cream and half-a-pack of chocolate chip cookies, beat off again, then eat supper.

Oh, to be 16 again. Youth wasted on the young, yada yada.

My wife's a runner, and she's seen the same thing lately, she's just turning 43. I've got her on the AoS diet along with me. It helps to have a diet buddy.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (+EU58)

64 Using an app diary has been helpful for me - the My Fitness Pal app has calorie counts of a bazillion foods, along with calorie burns of another bazillion activities - it will also keep track of water which you should be drinking generously esp in the summer heat.

It's like a handwritten diary but always with you and much easier than trying to explain why you are logging stuff into a paper notebook - hey I'm just texting yo!

Posted by: Boots at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM (EBwPV)

65 The link to ace's post at Insty generated 90 comments.That's a lot of comments for that site.

Posted by: steevy at July 21, 2016 06:44 PM (B48dK)

66 I've been doing the No Sugars No Grains thing since the middle of January, it's working pretty well, lost about 30 pounds and I'm not too tempted by carbs/sugars very often.

Just started back at the gym, seems to be working OK.

I'm interested in the fasting stuff but I haven't really hit too stubborn a plateau yet.

Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2016 06:44 PM (CLfqv)

67 Question: does fasting work? Earlier Ace citation handy anyone? I always thought it just made you fatter once you resumed eating.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2016 06:44 PM (ujg0T)

68 also in re lifting, dont be one of those ass clowns who throws on 400lbs, maybe gets 2 reps and lets if fall on their chest. Time under tension, lighter weights, more reps and a slow on the concentric (downward control in the case of the bench) portion.

Posted by: Cu'Chuillain at July 21, 2016 06:45 PM (8mYHH)

69 What weight loss maintenance program?

Posted by: gm at July 21, 2016 06:45 PM (4ueYo)

70 Have gained 7 pounds in a month. Hoping it's mostly muscle.





Its virtually impossible to gain more than a pound or two of muscle a month

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

I have to say, I'm looking pretty freakin' good.

Posted by: jd at July 21, 2016 06:45 PM (IiR2y)

71 10. of course your stomach muscles are still there. There's just a layer of flab over them.
But truthfully, you need to have genetics on your side to get the abs that they show in advertisements--assuming those pictures aren't photoshopped anyway.
You can do 50,000 crunches or whatever a day, but you don't have the genes, you won't get those ideal abs. But your stomach will be flatter, and when you think about it, that's good enough.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:45 PM (srJPz)

72 I ate some bread and butter.

I hate myself!

Posted by: Jeanne del norte, now with sugartits at July 21, 2016 06:46 PM (t5zNk)

73 We are on different diets here. Sure makes it fun to cook and going out? Hah

Posted by: FCF at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (kejii)

74 Skip's evening meal (alcohol allowed, (Scotch or red wine)but not sugary girly alcohol) 

don't ride whenever you can walk. along walk with a decent cigar can make for a good escape from things.

my two cents.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at July 21, 2016 06:43 PM 

Tonight - Grilled steak, microwave potato with butter and fresh chives, didn't get to salad yet.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (bksJQ)

75 Question: does fasting work?

My experience (limited) with the fasting so far is that it works if you are already in moderate ketosis. If you just skip a day eating I think the body just slows down to see if the famine will pass rather than burning any fat. It just scavenges for glycogen in remote corners of your body.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (rwI+c)

76
I have to say, I'm looking pretty freakin' good.
Posted by: jd at July 21, 2016 06:45 PM (IiR2y)



Great thats the important part,its what keeps you going.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (lKyWE)

77 Five years ago, I had hip replacements that didn't work. Over the course of most of the five years, with no help from the medical community, I gained fifty pounds and pretty much was looking at being an invalid.

Soooo... Jan 1, 2016 I weighed 260 lbs, couldn't go up and down stairs, couldn't run and I was sick of it. I came up with my own exercises that I could do, started intermittent fasting (though I didn't know that was what it was), joined Crossfit and now - I weigh 215, I am incredibly more fit than I was before and the idea of being an invalid is a distant memory. And I've made a date to skydive toward the end of next month.

I totally revamped how I eat. I never venture into the inner isles of the grocery and only eat quality, fresh food. Even though I shop at the Whole Foods type stores, I'm saving a boat load of money on food because I only eat once a day. I'm still trying to adjust to not buying so much food because my frig seems to be always full.

Getting on the road to getting fit has changed my life.

I just about totally quit the news, because I decided to try to change from being always angry and negative to being positive. It's still a struggle, especially with the election, but I'm getting there.

This probably won't go down well with most as many will see it as encouraging Ace to quit, but once this election is over (probably before then actually) I'm gonna get my head out of the election as well. I think it is pretty obvious that trying to convince people about shit on the internet is roughly the equivalent of standing on your head and pissing in your mouth.

So that's my health journey input. I'm pretty sure I probably started an argument about this too.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (4ng05)

78 >>also in re lifting, dont be one of those ass clowns who throws on 400lbs, maybe gets 2 reps and lets if fall on their chest. Time under tension, lighter weights, more reps and a slow on the concentric (downward control in the case of the bench) portion.

I gave up free weights when I stopped playing ball. I was kind of small for my position as I got older so bulk was helpful.

I'm not into building my strength up after my back operation which seriously cut into my core strength and my legs. I'm all about doing multiple reps with lower weights on the machines. I want long, strong muscles and the machines are much better for that.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (/tuJf)

79 >>>Also, someone awhile ago posted a clip of a negligee-clad Ms. Ryder descending stairs in a Dracula movie. There was flesh moving in all directions. I'd like to see that again.
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Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (2gKX/)

80 I love bread n butter.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:47 PM (qUNWi)

81 My biggest thing is bread.

It's stupid. If I don't eat bread, I lose weight without doing anything. Bread makes me physically sick. I can go months without it...

And then I'm like "oh, hai there muffin, I need you in my life" and then I completely fall off the wagon and gorge on bread and pastry for two months until my jeans don't fit.

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 06:48 PM (v3zRt)

82 also in re lifting, dont be one of those ass clowns who throws on 400lbs, maybe gets 2 reps and lets if fall on their chest. Time under tension, lighter weights, more reps and a slow on the concentric (downward control in the case of the bench) portion.


I will stipulate that I'm old and what I'm saying is just the received wisdom I imbibed as youth.

You wanted to do 10 reps with the weight. If you couldn't do 8 you lowered the weight, if you could do more than 12 you increased it.

Has that been superceded?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2016 06:48 PM (1xUj/)

83 I'm overweight, but considering all the crap I eat, it's a womder I'm not grossly overweight. I'm one of those guys who has muscles though--my legs, arm, chest, neck. If I hadn't had about 25,000 Mountain Dews in the last 25 years, I'd probably be a specimen--without lifting weights too much.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:48 PM (srJPz)

84 Ever considered old school isometrics, Ace? No weights involved.

Posted by: micky at July 21, 2016 06:48 PM (o5vMc)

85 not = now

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 06:49 PM (/tuJf)

86 Pretty much every online dietary expert: https://youtu.be/SavsJYXWgm8

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 21, 2016 06:49 PM (UPYhp)

87 >>>That one encouraging alternating overfeeding, with underfeeding, which, I suppose, was supposed to keep your metabolism operating at peak efficiency.

a guy I know knew a gym guy who was doing that years back, seemed to work well, he said.

The idea is to not consistently reduce your calories (or else your body's homeostasis system will kick in and reduce your daily energy expenditure) but do so periodically, so the body continues at its current energy expenditure but occasionaly has low-calorie days where it has no choice but to burn fat.

I think I might have screwed up and just overdone it with calorie reduction and reduced my Daily Energy Expenditure. I'm trying to eat more to lose weight right now.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:49 PM (dciA+)

88 Get in shape?

Round is a shape.

Posted by: MoroNation at July 21, 2016 06:49 PM (OJKE+)

89 My breakfast usually is two items, bowl of oatmeal and toaster strudel and 2 cups of coffee for instance
Pop Tarts and juice around 9:30am.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 06:49 PM (bksJQ)

90 Hershel Walker never lifted weights . All body weight workouts.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (8yZ+3)

91


I DISABLED THE DOOR LATCH SAFETY INTERFACE ON MY MICROWAVE, COVER MY HEAD IN TINFOIL AND STICK MY HEAD IN WITH IT RUNNING!

I GIVE MYSELF A 2 MINUTE TREATMENT EVERY MORNING TO GET TO MY HAPPY PLACE.

IDI SAYS I POSITIVELY GLOW!

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MICROWAVE RAGE at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (qul7b)

92 I weigh 131 pounds. I look best at around 125. Anything lower than that, I start looking like a gaunt old lady with a chicken neck. I eat a ridiculously small amount of food, mostly bran cereal or oatmeal for breakfast, almonds, seeds and berries for lunch, chicken with vegetables (raw) for dinner - if not chicken then cheese. My weight never budges. It might go to 133 or down to 130, but it mostly just sticks at 131. I don't know how I would take 6 pounds off. It's not like I'm going to exercise so you can forget about that.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (dFi94)

93 Elizabeth Hurley stair run > Winona Ryder stair run.


IMHO.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (qUNWi)

94 >>>84 Ever considered old school isometrics, Ace? No weights involved.

actually when my shoulder gets better I'll do push ups for a few weeks before I try the bench again. I have to build up the little muscles in my shoulder before trying high weight again.

what other ones do you mean?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (dciA+)

95 I want long, strong muscles and the machines are much better for that..
correct except the ancillary muscles which would normally help stabilize the lift are out of play when the motion is limited by the machine. Very strong major muscles with weak stablilizing muscles is a recipe for soft tissue injuries.

Posted by: Cu'Chuillain at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (8mYHH)

96 All credit to original poster, whoever that was, and apologies to my jerksock!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy


I forgive you.

Posted by: Winona Judd at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (VY8H5)

97 Losing weight and getting your BMI into a "normal" range is a good thing. I lost about 30 lbs a few years ago by going low carb. When I introduced flax seed meal + peanut butter for breakfast, my BP dropped into the normal range for my age. I'm also trying to develop a new test for measuring blood oxidative stress, which may be the underlying cause for a lot of health problems. Morons can find out more info at my website.

Posted by: scrood at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (3b9U4)

98 42 weight in itself is not the best yardstick if you intend on lifting. Muscle weighs more than fat. A good BMI/scale would be a useful tool. Weight static or up BUT BMI down, thats good.
________________________
When I was at my most muscular I registered as obese on the Gov't chart
Didn't think it was anything other than an absurd result that I could laugh off, until I went to buy life insurance...turns out that stupid Gov't guideline resulted in higher premiums because of my "obesity".

Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (CLfqv)

99 So ace's dates are no longer getting pancakes. Now they get rice cakes.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (Epxii)

100 >>> I don't know how I would take 6 pounds off. It's not like I'm going to exercise so you can forget about that.

cut carbs, boost fat.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (dciA+)

101 All body weight workouts.

Push ups, sit ups and pull ups are probably the best thing you can ever do on a regular basis, and I hate all of them with a passion.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (rwI+c)

102 How can I join?

Posted by: Isolden at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (O7hFp)

103
I think mixing it up diet and exercise wise keeps you motivated. Not losing, eat less or exercise more or eat the same and exercise more, etc. Switch from bike riding to hiking or climbing. You may not burn as many calories with one exercise or the other but while doing it you're not eating, not thinking about eating, and hopefully having fun.

European vacations under normal conditions are also a way to lose weight or at least you wont gain weight because you do so much walking and you're having fun. Plus, you can have a "petite adventure."

Isnt there anyone near you who will after work maybe go for a walk/hike/run with you? That keeps you motivated. More than one person is great.

Sierra Club sponsored evening hikes once a week at different levels of difficulty. Cost like 2 bucks to join.

In my neighborhood, I see trainers take out groups of people walking and doing weird hand exercises. I live in a hilly area so they work up a sweat.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (iQIUe)

104 Seriously, added 65 pounds to my squat. Up to 72 pounds!


Posted by: jd at July 21, 2016 06:37 PM (IiR2y)


*****


Snort!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (NeFrd)

105 After Ace and someone I follow in YouTube both started talking Intermittent Fasting, I started.

So far...hasn't been too bad. I have not changed my diet, I still eat carbs, drink pop but nothing but water after 7:30~8pm to 11:30~noon the next day. It hasn't been hard, apart from the last hour when I get a little 'hangry'.

I notice my mouth feels dry when I'm in the fasting phase and that is driving a lot of water consumption, which is all to the good.

Not seeing immediate weight loss but I'm hopeful. If Ace does another thread in a couple weeks on this topic, I'll let folks know how it's going then.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 21, 2016 06:52 PM (s2cys)

106 "Question: does fasting work?"

Fasting can work. If you can control what you eat after the extra fasting. The problem is, most people are tempted to over eat.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 06:52 PM (WVsWD)

107 " What gets measured, get's improved"
Heh. If only.
But all guys know that no matter how many times you measure "it", you never get the exact same measurement. There's like a "half-inch range."

Okay, I'll stop now.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:52 PM (srJPz)

108 >>Push ups, sit ups and pull ups are probably the best thing you can ever do on a regular basis, and I hate all of them with a passion.

By back doc told me that sit ups are of the devil and he forbade me from ever doing them again.

I love that guy.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 06:52 PM (/tuJf)

109 I've read fasting works great for men but not so much for women since our bodies are more likely to go into fat storage mode.

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (v3zRt)

110 >>>
You wanted to do 10 reps with the weight. If you couldn't do 8 you lowered the weight, if you could do more than 12 you increased it.

Has that been superceded?

...

rippetoe is pushing sets of 5

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (dciA+)

111 "My biggest thing is bread.

It's stupid. If I don't eat bread, I lose weight without doing anything. Bread makes me physically sick. I can go months without it... "

Try making muffins with coconut flour or flax flour.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (UBBWX)

112 >>>90 Hershel Walker never lifted weights . All body weight workouts.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (8yZ+3)

I think the lesson there is that a lot of response is highly individualized. He was a freak. Find the way to eat and the way to exercise that works for you, and recognize that it changes as you age. Experiment. Also assess.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (2gKX/)

113 Will we be seeing the first ewok ninja taking a run at qualifying next season on American ninja warrior?

Posted by: Buzzion at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (ewgWz)

114
I think the body just slows down to see if the famine will pass rather than burning any fat.


Yep,it actually puts your body into a fat storing mode

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (lKyWE)

115 ace,
I think isometrics refers to no movement involved. Like pushing/pulling against a stationary object.

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (m1x3q)

116 My biggest problem, honestly, has been not eating enough good food during the day. Then I'd get craving and stop by a grocery store and by a bag of cheetos or pepperoni and inhale it. Not good.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (hJrjt)

117 Some women store fat in awesomely intoxicating ways.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (qUNWi)

118 When I was at my most muscular I registered as obese on the Gov't chart
same here...an annual physical had me listed that way, I looked at the Dr. and said "Who the fuck made up these numbers" She turned red but laughed...

Posted by: Cu'Chuillain at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (8mYHH)

119 >>>I've read fasting works great for men but not so much for women since our bodies are more likely to go into fat storage mode.

um, I think there are conflicting takes on that, and even those who talk about what you're talking about say women should fast -- just not daily, as men can/should. Women should do the IF thing for like 4 days, then one or two days non-fasting, then 4 days fasting. etc.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (dciA+)

120
There was a cop who would ran some free program getting people ready for the marathon. They would meet once a week and he would give them valuable info to do on their own and then every one would run together that day.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQIUe)

121 correct except the ancillary muscles which would normally help stabilize the lift are out of play when the motion is limited by the machine. Very strong major muscles with weak stablilizing muscles is a recipe for soft tissue injuries.
Posted by: Cu'Chuillain at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (8mYHH)

And isn't that essentially Rippetoes whole argument for doing exercises that work as many muscles as possible at once? It forces them all to develop in tandem.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (3ZoRf)

122 cut carbs, boost fat.





Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:51 PM (dciA+)
===========================================

You mean like put butter on my cheese?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (dFi94)

123 By the end of the year I'm hoping to be able to see my toes without bending over.









I hope I don't have to resort to cutting them off and putting them in a jar.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (NeFrd)

124 Ace,

When your shoulders feel better and you're ready to bench again, don't do barbell bench presses. Instead, do the flat bench and incline bench press with dumbbells. These will work the stabilizer muscles more and strengthen you without locking your shoulder joints in place and risking injury. Give it a month with dumbbells before easing back into the barbell.

Posted by: Sixkiller at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (yxupc)

125 It's not my thang, but in my daily visit to Scott Adams's blog I saw this:


The Persuasion Diet
http://tinyurl.com/jkwkxh7


Here's a passage:

A smarter approach to fitness is to fix the brain first, and let the body follow. You might call it the Persuasion Diet. That's what I wrote about in my book, How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big. I teach you how to learn which foods to eat, manage cravings, create positive habits, and eliminate the need for willpower. In other words, I teach you how to persuade yourself to good health without doing anything unpleasant whatsoever.

Because I'm known as a cartoonist -- and not a doctor -- none of you should be taking health-related advice from me. I wrote the health-related chapters in my book with the full knowledge I would be ignored and mocked for my lack of qualifications. But I didn't mind that tradeoff because I counted on two things:

1. I have no sense of shame, as I will demonstrate once again in this post. So I knew it wouldn't bother me to be mocked. It didn't.

2. I figured science would catch up to me and validate my "mind first" approach to fitness. We're almost there.

Since publication of my book -- which only has a few chapters on fitness -- I have heard from readers all over the world that they have lost lots of weight and gotten back into exercise, all relatively effortlessly. So the idea of systems being better than goals -- for all areas of your life -- is spreading.

Also, I have been documenting my own progress as I approach my 60th birthday next June. I achieved this level of fitness -- the best of my life, by far -- without any willpower or sacrifice at all. I simply developed systems to train my brain. My body followed. This photo is a day old. And I should note that I don't have a personal chef or a personal trainer. This is just me eating whatever I want, whenever I want, as much as I want, and going to the gym for about 45 minutes a day.



Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (5o5ek)

126 Ace's 'resistance point' is 18 pounds below my goal weight :-|

Must be I'm 'big boned'!

Posted by: peacelovewoodstock at July 21, 2016 06:54 PM (q+fVz)

127 >>>what other ones do you mean?
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (dciA+)>>>

You could borrow Harry Reid's exercise bands.

Posted by: gm at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (4ueYo)

128 Ace-

Possibly silly question... when you say you're on a "fat fast", does that mean you're cutting out fat, or eating fat predominantly? Just curious.

I've been on a 16/8 IF cycle for about 2 weeks now. Don't know if I'm losing weight, and the change in eating habits has taken some getting used to. I've only been eating between 10am-6pm, but I work a 7-4 day (with a 1.25 hr commute each way) so those first few hours are filled with my stomach growling. It says "feed me, dipshit" and I've replied with "here, have some water, and kindly STFU, piggy". I'm used to having coffee as soon as I get to the office but I like it with lots of light cream which is a no-no for IF. I think I'll keep on with it. It's enough for me for now that I'm not eating a doughy breakfast or snacking after dinner.

Posted by: Gran at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (lcUJ5)

129 Bread is my downfall, Italian bread especially.
And corn chips. I just can't stop.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (srJPz)

130 "Try making muffins with coconut flour or flax flour. "

Yeah I have a gluten free flour mix (cup 4 cup) that's very good. The problem is when I'm out and just want to eat something and not think about it. Then the bread items call to me. "You don't want to mess with a lettuce wrap...get this lovely pretzel bun"

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (v3zRt)

131 Does anybody here follow the Barak Obama workout routine?

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (hJrjt)

132 Last time I dieted, I had been reading Good Calories Bad Calories..stopped eating bread and drinking beer FOR A YEAR and did the high fat low carb thing.

But what really lost the weight for me was an accidental fast where the stupid party my band played for in at a lake in BFE didn't even provide a meal. So I ate the tuna pack and mixed nuts I had for emergency food. Then when I got home I said fuck it and tried to sleep without eating

Felt terrible but dropped 5 lbs. That was all I need at the time but have put on 25 since. Crap.

Hey. Maybe I'll try laxatives.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte, now with sugartits at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (t5zNk)

133 By the way, and I'm not pushing Crossfit, but I do recommend it. It is an interesting and unusual culture that is totally unlike any other gym environment.

I lifted weights for years and was shocked to find, once I started Crossfit, that there is actually technique involved.

Crossfit was started by a SEAL and though I'm not certain of this, but I think he wanted to capture an element of the team culture that pervades the SEALs.

Whatever it is, it is definitely cool. I have had workouts at an intensity level I can not remember having in the rest of my life, and I was an athletic person for most of my life.

That's my pitch for Crossfit.

BTW - the Crossfit games are going on now. Individual events will begin tomorrow again and they are unusual but very cool to watch.

And... in my opinion, Crossfit is redefining beauty. Though first impressions may be shocking, fit is beautiful and some Crossfit women are absolutely amazing and amazing for their physical beauty.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (4ng05)

134 Count me in with those who say that weight is less important than your waist size.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:56 PM (srJPz)

135 Bread is my downfall, Italian bread especially.
And corn chips. I just can't stop.


Spaghetti. Hello my lil stringy pasta friend.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:56 PM (qUNWi)

136 If you can afford it, work out with a personal trainer doing strength training, at least to learn proper form.

After 40, mine said, we all need to lift weights (ladies, too) because our muscle mass and ergo metabolism start to decline. Also you just feel and look so much better. He wasn't a big fan of cardio; except for high-intensity interval training, which is a great fat burner.

Creatine is a fantastic supplement for regaining muscle mass, not just water weight. AND it helps stave off cognitive decline. See this for the science on creatine:

http://tinyurl.com/z896ynz

Posted by: Beverly at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (Y+aOZ)

137 On NHK world sumo wrestling just ended, never knew I got this channel.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (bksJQ)

138 Ace,

What do you do about alcohol and fasting? If I want to do a 16 hour fast and eat at noon (which I do with my colleagues), then I have to stop eating and drinking by 8pm. Not having a second drink after 8pm never seems to be in the cards.

Posted by: chris not rock at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (85X6y)

139 >>>And I've made a date to skydive toward the end of next month.

ooh. I want to do that.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (dciA+)

140 >>>Will we be seeing the first ewok ninja taking a run at qualifying next season on American ninja warrior?

Posted by: Buzzion at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (ewgWz)<<<

The Ewok vs The Bull.
Guy covered in hair vs guy with absolutely no hair.

Posted by: let's do this! at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (H9MG5)

141 131, what cigarettes and 2.5 lb dumbells?

Ironic that smoking does tend to keep weight down. That's why when you see pictures of adults from the '40's and '50's---everyone is thin.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (srJPz)

142 133 By the way, and I'm not pushing Crossfit, but I do recommend it. It is an interesting and unusual culture that is totally unlike any other gym environment.

I lifted weights for years and was shocked to find, once I started Crossfit, that there is actually technique involved.

Crossfit was started by a SEAL and though I'm not certain of this, but I think he wanted to capture an element of the team culture that pervades the SEALs.

Whatever it is, it is definitely cool. I have had workouts at an intensity level I can not remember having in the rest of my life, and I was an athletic person for most of my life.

That's my pitch for Crossfit.

BTW - the Crossfit games are going on now. Individual events will begin tomorrow again and they are unusual but very cool to watch.

And... in my opinion, Crossfit is redefining beauty. Though first impressions may be shocking, fit is beautiful and some Crossfit women are absolutely amazing and amazing for their physical beauty.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (4ng05)

I watched the 2015 World Crossfit competition and Netflix recently and thought it was fascinating. And I thought the women were hot.
The idea of Crossfit intrigues but I think I'm too old.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (hJrjt)

143 I'm 36 and 5'4". I gained about 15 lbs right when I first got married 3 years ago, and then another 5-7 when I got pregnant last year, and didn't lost it after my miscarriage.

I just weighed, and I'm 141 pounds. I would like to lose back to 120. I was doing tabata workouts 3 times a week, but that class broke for summer. I think I'll go back to tabata workouts on my own and do low carb.

As long as I have my caffeine, I'm good.

Posted by: sunny-dee at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (QAOZh)

144 135, yes, and that too.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (srJPz)

145 >>>rippetoe is pushing sets of 5

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (dciA+)

Some smart guys said it was all about total reps and percentage of max - 3x8, 4x6, 5x5, etc were all similar but weights and rest periods might be different - find the sweet spot where it all clicks. Then increase volume while keeping time constant.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (2gKX/)

146 Soon-to-be-mister says we're going to join a gym after we get married. He's starting to irritate me already.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (dFi94)

147 My biggest challenge has been cutting back on beer & bacon.

Posted by: Blogforce one at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (oRmpV)

148 And isn't that essentially Rippetoes whole argument for doing exercises that work as many muscles as possible at once? It forces them all to develop in tandem.

possible, I have no idea who he/she is. When I started lifting, it was when Bill Phillips was cool, EAS was legit and there was no internet. So, all I know about lifting is experience as to what works for me, and from the articles in his magazine before he sold out.

Posted by: Cu'Chuillain at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (8mYHH)

149 I don't ever want to skydive.

Fuck that shit in particular.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (qUNWi)

150 Making your muscles work is an imaginative thing. Arms are especially easy to stress. Think for example of what doing light weight curls are about. You can do that without the weights.

I need to maintain my thin drummer limbs bc bulk isn't part of what makes the seemingly impossible possible on the kit. I'm 6'2" 160.

Try it

Posted by: micky at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (o5vMc)

151 I want to grow my penis a little longer.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at July 21, 2016 06:59 PM (B77dy)

152 A quick little note about intermittent fasting:

Studies about the effects of intermittent fasting are uncovering some really amazing health benefits from following it.

For me, it only took a couple of days to get used to going all day without eating. I normally eat my only meal around five or six in the evening. I get so much done.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 06:59 PM (4ng05)

153 Creatine has come a long, long way from 20 years ago. No more bloat, particularly if you buy the micronized stuff, for example, Con-cret and/or Dymatize. I switch back and forth.

Posted by: Sixkiller at July 21, 2016 06:59 PM (yxupc)

154 Mr Macca Bean - crossfitters (is that what they are called?) are so intimidating though..I'm starting to do some sprinting when I am out on my walk/jog/runs; the idea being to not let your heart rate settle into a steady pace during exercise but to keep acceleration/de-acceleration which consumes more energy.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 06:59 PM (a0IVu)

155 Ace,

The best rehab is a high number of reps at a low weight to promote increased blood circulation through your injured areas. Muscle healing comes from increased blood circulation, that's how the body repairs its tissues.

Also, I think someone mentioned Starting Strength above, which I would heartily recommend. Just google Mark Rippetoe and his Starting Strength program. The program is straightforward and works as it took a 160 lb. weakling like myself up to 185 lb. with a 400 lb deadlift. Your diet will be much more forgiving when you're taxing the body with heavy barbell training.

Posted by: Merle Haggard at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (/MKCq)

156 Carbs are my downfall. I LOVE beer, good craft beer. Tonight it's still going to be in the 90's when I get home. (No we're not a frozen tundra year round, just 9 months) Patio, meet cold beer! Potatoes! oh yea and right now the sweet corn is fantastic. I am only 15 or ( less in the summer due to activity)overweight. I just decided to be ok with that because I enjoy beer, bread etc. I do try to moderate it but that's my battle. I think ANY diet you choose has to be maintainable. Sure you can lose a ton of weight eating bacon and cheese but can you keep it up forever? My brother did the meal delivery thing and dropped weight, but he got tired of eating astronaut food and gained I back. It's all about balance.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (dNwFH)

157 I weigh about 185 pounds at 5'9". I started the keto high fat, almost no carb diet Monday. The no energy and headache before the switch to ketosis did me in and I broke. It's so hard for me to stick with this program, even though I know it works. I wish I could be away from the temptation, or have a cheering partner to keep me on the path.

Posted by: MarineMatt at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (tPf1p)

158
You wanted to do 10 reps with the weight. If you couldn't do 8 you lowered the weight, if you could do more than 12 you increased it.

Has that been superceded?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
---------------
Depends on what your goals are, actually.
Add muscle, strength, mass? Heavy weight with low reps.
Tone, strengthen, general fitness? Lighter weight, higher reps.

The 10 to 12 reps is probably right for most people's goals.
If you cant get past Obama sized dumbells, just put on the Mom jeans and go for a bike ride.
*don't forget your helmet!

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (m1x3q)

159 151. You can always shave your pubes.....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (srJPz)

160 146 Soon-to-be-mister says we're going to join a gym after we get married. He's starting to irritate me already.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (dFi94)

He's probably already bought you a pair of yoga pants.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (hJrjt)

161 Ironic that smoking does tend to keep weight down. That's why when you see pictures of adults from the '40's and '50's---everyone is thin.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (srJPz)

Pervasive availability of sweets and everything being loaded with corn syrup could also have something to do with that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (3ZoRf)

162 The Ewok vs The Bull.
Guy covered in hair vs guy with absolutely no hair.
Posted by: let's do this!

It's a medical condition asshole. And I'm not eligible for parole until 2033.

Posted by: Sammy "the Bull" Gravano at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (UPYhp)

163 What do you Morons know about "insulin resistance"?





I keep seeing late night commercials saying this is the cause of belly fat.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (9dfKD)

164

Jump on the scale each morning.

Exercise and eat less, although you can easily lose or maintain weight with just limiting how much food you eat.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (qCMvj)

165 13 If you keep pulling it ,it will get longer.

You too?!?

Posted by: Dick Poulin at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (sMt7r)

166 Some smart guys said it was all about total reps and
percentage of max - 3x8, 4x6, 5x5, etc were all similar but weights and
rest periods might be different - find the sweet spot where it all
clicks. Then increase volume while keeping time constant.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (2gKX/)

Now you're talking 'elite level' benchers. That kind of stuff is beyond the average gym rat.
Personally, I'm a Westside Barbell (Louie Simmons place in Columbus, OH) disciple.

Posted by: Sixkiller at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (yxupc)

167 He's probably already bought you a pair of yoga pants.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:00 PM (hJrjt)
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The thought of that horrifies and disgusts me.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (dFi94)

168 Then come the Pop Tarts.

PopTarts are the foundation of a well-balanced diet.

... except for you people who toast them. That's just weird.

If you want to be in good shape and healthy just remember the two Ps: Pop Tarts and Push-ups.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (zc3Db)

169 I don't ever want to skydive.

Fuck that shit in particular.
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (qUNWi)

I went to jump school in the military and made 28 training jumps. I never thought I would be able to do it again, but now I'm pretty sure I can. I'm telling you right now. It's a hoot.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (4ng05)

170 >>>What do you do about alcohol and fasting? If I want to do a 16 hour fast and eat at noon (which I do with my colleagues), then I have to stop eating and drinking by 8pm. Not having a second drink after 8pm never seems to be in the cards.

i put off eating until later. I always make a point of remembering my last calories, even if it's just a glass of wine. then that sets the time I can eat the next day.

Yeah, when you drink a glass of wine at 11, that means you can't eat until supper the next day.

As you do this morel it becomes easier. It really becomes no particularly hard thing to wait to eat until supper.

Most days -- some days, for whatever reason, you get hungry or feel weak, and yeah, you can break the fast early occasionally. But most days, once you're used to this, your body is now routinely burning fat to make energy so it's no big deal to wait longer to eat.

That's the thing-- getting your body used to burning fat for energy. Once it starts doing that regularly, going 20 hours without food really isn't that hard.

(It's a little hard sometimes. just not that hard.)

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (dciA+)

171 When I crave carbs, I find that cheese is a good substitute. Melt some cheese on a source of protein and I'm satiated.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (dZ756)

172 Seriously though, I spent a week last month at our place in the mountains stringing fence. Digging 30" post holes, lugging 5" X 7 ft posts up the hill, unrolling fencing, tensioning with a hand winch, driving "T"-posts, etc. Managed 4-5 hours each day, pacing myself and hydrating well. Thought I might have bitten off more than I could chew, but by the end of the week my shoulders were much more toned, my waist had slimmed, my pot gut was less noticeable and my posture was better. And all the walking seemed to help my healing foot surgery. Good old fashioned physical labor.

Bonus, the cows are no longer crapping right in front of our deck.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (NeFrd)

173 Being naturally heavy, the only time I was at a "normal" weight was when I got a form of colitis in high school. I went from 170 to 135 in one month. It was kind of a behavior modification, because I knew the more I ate the sicker I'd get. All that weight stayed off.

They never did find out what caused it. It tapered off a little in college and the beer, pizza, mac n cheese lifestyle ballooned me up a little.

I'm signing up for the Moron Health Club. My goal is to not only maintain the 27-lb. loss I had the first three months of the year but to fine-tune my diet to exactly what works for me and keep losing, but it's no pressure. I'm thrilled to be where I am.

Like I said, whole milk (which has relatively high sugar) isn't allowed on a low-carb diet, but I maintain with it. Likewise, rolled oats would be no-go to LCHF purists, but I can't see any harm in it.

Long story short, I wish I would've given the LCHF lifestyle a chance decades ago. I started in late December and it has been the only thing that has taken weight off for me (other than illness or prescription diet pills). One area I differ from Jason Fung is in dairy consumption. The author of "Always Hungry" claims high-fat dairy is instrumental in weight loss, and I tend to agree.

I just picked up lactose-free whole milk at Aldi (keeps forever) and had a couple no-carb peanut butter cookies and a glass of milk. That was dinner and that'll be it till tomorrow morning's no-carb coffee.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (OJKE+)

174

This is where I journal my food when I need to lose weight.


https://www.myfitnesspal.com/

It's also a great place to look up how many calories are in a food item, or calculate your own recipes.

There are others like it, but this one works for me in a pinch. It's so easy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:03 PM (qCMvj)

175 What do you Morons know about "insulin resistance"?

I have a theory that IR is your body telling you that you're too fat, and that it has no place to store the sugar. I should get a grant for a meta-study to see if people who have had liposuction are more susceptible to IR.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (rwI+c)

176 Also, how is the vision? Have not seen an update lately.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (3ZoRf)

177 Ace,

My trainer doesn't recommend any straight bar presses, it's all with dumbells (presses, flys, incline, etc).

The theory is that it uses many more of the smaller stabilizing muscles around the pecs to keep the weight under control, thus resulting in a better workout and better chest development.

It's also faster than having to move plates on and off the straight bar.

Posted by: Phat at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (/K6Oh)

178 I've been lifting weights on and off in an attempt to bulk of for years, but it wasn't until I gave up the 8 rep isolation exercises and switched to a 5x5 routine (I used Stronglifts because of the nice phone app) that I made any real progress. Since establishing a good strength baseline I've added back in some isolation work, but I'm a true believer when it comes to squats and deadlifts.

Posted by: Xander Crews at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (25bQA)

179 67
Question: does fasting work? Earlier Ace citation handy anyone? I always
thought it just made you fatter once you resumed eating.





Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2016 06:44 PM (ujg0T)

It only works when coupled with a high-fat/low carb regime.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (EzgxV)

180 > What I'm horrible at is keeping it off.

Pushups.
Sit ups.
Pull ups.

Every day, same time.
No excuses.

Do what you can, first day.
Do one more, every day after.

Take a day off, once a week, if you aren't really trying.

Posted by: Old argu at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (v9gSJ)

181 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 06:53 PM (2gKX/)

Don't disagree Walker was a freak of nature but body weight is all you need . Gymnasts don't lift weights. Push ups, dips, burpees, pull ups are all you need.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (8yZ+3)

182 161 that's true. Even when we used to walk up to the corner store to get a bottle of soda when we were kids (late '60's), the bottle of RC was only 10 0z. That classic iconic Coke bottle was only 7.5 oz.
Portions, portions.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (srJPz)

183 Feed your body and soul with purpose, Ace.

We couldn't live without you.

/10 years of lurking

Posted by: Eisenhammer at July 21, 2016 07:04 PM (Zh5SX)

184 I started getting into shape a little over three years ago to start competing in obstacle course type race, Spartan, tough mudder, etc.

The one thing I learned is that the human body is incredibly homeostatic and tends toward being the way it wants to be and that a clear plan and dedicated, consistent effort is needed to achieve your goals and that most people's time frames for success are completely unrealistic being measured in weeks and months instead of months and years.


Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (7C/kB)

185 Ace all that stuff about yo-yo'ing will be an academic point at some date uncertain point in the future.

First the laws of body chemistry will take over and your yo-yo wont yo.


But the real danger is that you might get a visit from the Widow Maker.

Learn to get some where decent on the weight scale and celebrate a LOT of birthdays in the future.

A non-conventional way to do this is to get lots of photos of the thing(s) , people you love and put them prominently in your life to remind you Why you are trying to be healthy (in your case may be a Twitter logo?)
Live FOR something.

Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (3ZttN)

186 >>> keep seeing late night commercials saying this is the cause of belly fat.

go to the post I linked and watch the video by Jason Fung. Insulin resistance is in fact the entire key to weight gain for 99% of overweight people.

Insulin sweeps glucose out of your blood and puts it into muscles or fat cells. If you're not exerecising -- it's fat cells.

Insulin resistance is better thought of as "Chronic High Insulin Syndrome," where you body overproduces insulin when you eat. You sweep too much gluclose out of your blood into fat cells -- and for two long. For maybe six hours after eating, rather than just 2 hours, as a thin person does.

the key to weight loss is to force insulin levels down. this is done by low carb high fat dieting and Intermittent fasting or both at the same time.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (dciA+)

187 171 When I crave carbs, I find that cheese is a good substitute. Melt some cheese on a source of protein and I'm satiated.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 21, 2016 07:02 PM (dZ756)

That is what I do to control sweet cravings. I find the highest butter fat, most sugary ice cream I can find (Graeters around here.) Spoon full of that usually kills the craving.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (3ZoRf)

188 Good to know that IF can be applied to women too. I read a few articles to the contrary and never looked further.

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (v3zRt)

189 What do you Morons know about "insulin resistance"?

I keep seeing late night commercials saying this is the cause of belly fat.


Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (9dfKD)
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I think it's a real thing and I remember my doctor talking about it when he put me on a certain medication. Come to think of it, that seems to coincide with the time where my body weight just got stuck.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (dFi94)

190 My daughter bought me a Fitbit.
She's out of the will.
Damn thing works though.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2016 07:05 PM (L9uv7)

191 Mr Macca Bean - crossfitters (is that what they are called?) are so intimidating though..I'm starting to do some sprinting when I am out on my walk/jog/runs; the idea being to not let your heart rate settle into a steady pace during exercise but to keep acceleration/de-acceleration which consumes more energy.
Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 06:59 PM (a0IVu)

Crossfit IS intimidating. But once you get into it, and I don't know all of the reasons, but it is addicting. I had the privilege of working out with a guy who had been to the games seven times. This guy looks like he is carved out of stone. He's 35.

BTW - the Crossfit games have only been in existence for 10 years. So he's been to most of them.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:06 PM (4ng05)

192 I watched a cooking show yesterday, they were doing paleo. Either this couple was a couple of hipster douchbags, or I'm not really that far off from that diet.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 21, 2016 07:06 PM (6Ll1u)

193 Franco Columbo didn't do any ab work at all.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 07:06 PM (8yZ+3)

194 Start with bands then move to free weights.

Posted by: jason at July 21, 2016 07:06 PM (CLxvC)

195 >>>166 Personally, I'm a Westside Barbell (Louie Simmons place in Columbus, OH) disciple.
Posted by: Sixkiller at July 21, 2016 07:01 PM (yxupc)

I'm a Starr/Gallagher/Siff/Tight Tan Slacks of Deszo Ban disciple but readjusting my training for getting older.

And Winona Ryder worshipper/disciple/puppy.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:06 PM (2gKX/)

196 I'm kind of hitting a new resistance point at 187 but then, I'm also taking creatine -- a muscle volumizer that just stuffs water into your muscles, giving you a purely cosmetic "muscley" look -- so that's adding some water weight.


my husband is a big weight trainer (but he also runs, and does other forms of cardio), but has a weight regimen 3 x a week, I think it is.

He's also been taking creatine for a long time (years?), with no side effects, also some protein shakes.

Remember, weight training also bulks, so you might see a gain of weight, or no change for a while, depending on how you train.

I just do upper body stuff to strengthen. I use our elliptical and recumbent, yoga, and walking and biking or whatever. I do what I feel like doing each day. I'm not as strict as him.

Just eat healthy and keep the calories down.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:07 PM (qCMvj)

197 >>>
176 Also, how is the vision? Have not seen an update lately.

it's okay. not quite 20/20 yet. I little blurry today because I was on the computer all night spitting rage at NeverTrump people.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:07 PM (dciA+)

198
Don't disagree Walker was a freak of nature but body weight is all you need . Gymnasts don't lift weights. Push ups, dips, burpees, pull ups are all you need.


The military way.Its worked fo 100 years

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 21, 2016 07:07 PM (lKyWE)

199 I've always been kind of a health junkie (despite my sweets cravings) and I've been very lucky my whole life in that I've never had a weight problem. I also run 4 miles 5-6 days a week and have for years. Mostly due to a deep fear I've had of being overweight that started in my teens. I could tell you stories about how over the top I went with it all. Now that I'm a few weeks away from turning 53 and already post-menopausal (Ace, just be glad you don't have to deal with that), my body is going through a re-shaping of sorts. And it's been hard on me mentally. That said, I've started doing the intermittent fasting since you posted about it. It's not that hard, so I'll keep up with it and see where it takes me. My goal isn't so much weight oriented. It's getting back my flat stomach oriented.

About the boring exercise routines, I purposefully run outdoors. If I had to do any kind of workout inside a gym, I don't know if I could be as dedicated. Being outdoors doing whatever you like, can or want to do is considerably less boring to me.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at July 21, 2016 07:08 PM (+FSld)

200 Bananna Splits guy , have you ever heard Matthew Sweet's "Winona?" It's a great song about "her."
Look it up on YouTube

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 07:08 PM (srJPz)

201 141
Ironic that smoking does tend to keep weight down. That's why when you see pictures of adults from the '40's and '50's---everyone is thin.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 06:57 PM (srJPz)


Well, smoking and the fact that the government hadn't invented the carb-heavy "food pyramid" yet. When I was in elementary school in the 60s, I was taught the "four food groups" and encouraged to eat something from each group at every meal.

Moderation and a balanced diet. What a concept.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:08 PM (sdi6R)

202 I am a doctor. I've put all my overweight and/or diabetic patients (T2DM) on cinnamon capsules.At Wal Mart ,1,00 mg/two capsules. You should start at 2 (500 mg) capsules/day.You'll lose weight,lose belly fat,lower your blood sugar. If you're diabetic,please monitor your blood sugar,because as it lowers,you'll have to decrease your meds
Corwin

Posted by: corwin at July 21, 2016 07:08 PM (gDWEu)

203 >>>194 Start with bands then move to free weights.

yeah i have those. If anyone is interested -- those bands give you a pretty decent workout, they're cheap, and you can put your "gym" in a bag in a drawer when you're not using it.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:08 PM (dciA+)

204 "watched a cooking show yesterday, they were doing paleo. Either this couple was a couple of hipster douchbags, or I'm not really that far off from that diet."

Paleo does tend to bring in the dbags, but it really is the best way to eat. Once you cut the grains you just have to see how much fruit/veg you can add in without getting your carb count too high.

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 07:08 PM (v3zRt)

205 Has anyone tried the Johnson Up Day Down Day Diet (JUDDD)? It's similar to intermittent fasting, but the window is between 24 and 36 hours and you eat a limited amount of calories (500-800) during that period. On the up days you are allowed quite a bit of caloric intake, up to 3000.

Posted by: longtimelurker at July 21, 2016 07:09 PM (qOztk)

206 >>> am a doctor. I've put all my overweight and/or diabetic patients (T2DM) on cinnamon capsules.At Wal Mart ,1,00 mg/two capsules. You should start at 2 (500 mg) capsules/day.You'll lose weight,lose belly fat,lower your blood sugar.

i just put cinnamon in my coffee -- is there any benefit to capsules?

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:09 PM (dciA+)

207 I have been wondering Ace how the eyes were, and day at the beach will help them I'm sure.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:09 PM (bksJQ)

208 The idea of Crossfit intrigues but I think I'm too old.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (hJrjt)

I'm 63. I've had a broken back, a broken pelvis and a dozen other broken bones and I've been shot. The doctor told me I have bone on bone disks in my lower spine and he wanted to fuse them. Since Crossfit, that has gotten much better - to the point I don't even notice it - rarely anyway.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:09 PM (4ng05)

209 And Winona Ryder worshipper/disciple/puppy.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:06 PM (2gKX/)

Please do not go full stalker and try to assassinate someone to impress her. j/k... sort of.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:09 PM (3ZoRf)

210 164
Jump on the scale each morning.

Exercise and eat less, although you can easily lose or maintain weight with just limiting how much food you eat.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
--------------------------
I couldn't disagree more. Spend the money a full length mirror instead of a scale. A look in the mirror will tell you more than a scale anyday.
(Muscle weighs more than fat, etc)
If your progressing, you'll see it. Without getting discouraged by the lack of "weight loss" - which I used to see almost every day.
The idea is usually to lose fat, not weight.

All this is assuming you're eating & moving (exercising) in an effort to reach your intended goal.

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (m1x3q)

211 205, I don't know, but my Johnson has" up" days and "down" days all year...

Posted by: JoeF. at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (srJPz)

212 The diet I'm following is very strict. (I can eat a lot of food, but it has to be restricted to meat, green veggies and eggs.) But I think strict guidelines are good--certainly for a short period of time--because you know what you can and cannot eat. Period.

When I try to eat everything in moderation I tend to scarf down massive quantities of crap.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (hJrjt)

213 I absolutely have to exercise to even just maintain my weight. It's not so much calories burned - it's the mindset when I do don't want to "waste" my workout by eating junk. I feel better about myself and don't overeat. I have had a bum knee for 6 weeks and had surgery today. I've put 10 pounds easy peasy from sitting like slug and eating out of boredom. It will be much harder to take those 10 pounds off.

I can't wait to be able to move like a normal person instead of gimping around. I feel awful about myself.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (P8951)

214 That stuff about keeping a record of what you eat is yuuuuge. At least it works for me.

I used to go on effective diets, basically calorie-counting ones, where I tracked everything I ate and noted the calories. Once I reached my goal, I'd stop recording my food intake and of course would sooner or later put the pounds back on.

The last time I reached my goal, about 2 years ago, I decided to keep writing it all down. I haven't put the weight back on.

I know pretty much what I can eat calorie-wise to maintain and I'm FAR less likely to go overboard if I write it down.
It's weird. I never forbid myself to have a donut or a bag of chips. I just find I'm less likely to do it if I record the crime.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (T/5A0)

215 >>Good old fashioned physical labor.

Growing up with farm chores to do was always a workout. You haven't really worked out until you have spent a day throwing hay bales up into the loft. Throwing being the operative word.

After that the gym felt more like a spa.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (/tuJf)

216 >>>The military way.Its worked fo 100 years
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 21, 2016 07:07 PM (lKyWE)

Also a lot of running. And you're not going to look like Herschel Walker. SGT York was not Charles Atlas. Good for health, but make peace with your genetics.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:11 PM (2gKX/)

217 >>>Paleo does tend to bring in the dbags, but it really is the best way to eat. Once you cut the grains you just have to see how much fruit/veg you can add in without getting your carb count too high.

Posted by: Lauren

...

paleo would be cool if they weren't anti-cheese

sometimes, when I was lazy, I would just buy pepperoni and cheddar cheese and eat only that for three days. I assumed that was bad for me.

strangely I noticed everytime I did it I dropped weight and leaned up.

cheese is a good food for weight loss. cheese and eggs, especially the yolks

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:11 PM (dciA+)

218 I'm losing weight.
I weigh every morning.
Sometimes it goes back up one, but I don't freak out.
The IF thing (I skip breakfast) is shrinking my stomach - I feel stuffed with smaller portions.

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:11 PM (7lVbc)

219 Two words:


Prancercize

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2016 07:11 PM (NeFrd)

220 Donna - you had knee surgery today? How are you feeling? I can't believe you're coherent already!

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:12 PM (dFi94)

221 "paleo would be cool if they weren't anti-cheese "

Yeah, I think "Primal" is the one that allows cheese. I think the idea is that dairy is inflammatory, but I still eat it.

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (v3zRt)

222 "The link to ace's post at Insty generated 90 comments.That's a lot of comments for that site."

It's up to nearly twice that number now.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (noWW6)

223 In addition to the Pop Tarts and Push-ups, you also want to do a hard, but short, jump rope routine. The way I always structured my rope jumping was to pick a number and then knock off 10% of the count every time I miss - so 200 jumps and drop the running count 20 for every miss .. stuff like that. When you have worked up to 500 drop 50 then you're getting a pretty good set going. And add in a set of doubles, too. For that you want to work up to 50 drop 5.

Jumping rope beats the crap out of running or bicycling. You have to jump lightly, though, to preserve the knees.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (zc3Db)

224 I'm used to having coffee as soon as I get to the office but I like it with lots of light cream which is a no-no for IF. I think I'll keep on with it. It's enough for me for now that I'm not eating a doughy breakfast or snacking after dinner.
Posted by: Gran at July 21, 2016 06:55 PM (lcUJ5)

Screw that. The "Always Hungry" author differs with Jason Fung (IF) in that HEAVY CREAM is exactly what your body wants and won't make you fat. I use a ton every morning with some "skinny syrup," in mocha flavor. You can get it at Bed, Bath & Beyond. You'll thank me on your next drive to work.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (OJKE+)

225 Ya know, Jack Lalanne was the shit. When he died, Bill Starr wrote an article about trying to keep up with him through a workout when he was much younger. He said it wasn't the weights, it was the pace.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (2gKX/)

226 Ever seen the calorie count for the pioneers? They had to eat 2-3 times what we do, just to stay alive, what could have changed?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 21, 2016 07:14 PM (6Ll1u)

227 I self-medicate with food. My excess weight is like a snow suit of fat, protecting me from pain. Except, it really doesn't. I hurt, so I eat. Which leads to more pain, either physical or emotional or both, so I eat more. My weight problems are because food is my addiction, my drug of choice to slowly kill myself.

I've tried diets. I've had surgery. After lap-band surgery I went from the 323 to 250 and hung out in that area for about 5 years. I realize as an American woman I'm not supposed to be proud of weighing 250 pounds, but screw the haters. 250 is a hell of a lot better than 320. I was working out consistently 3-4 times a week. I felt good. I was sleeping good. I couldn't eat much without feeling like I needed to vomit, and I was constantly thinking of food, but thems the breaks, right?

Then I got sick and my lap-band had to be completely unfilled. And I participated in a charity softball tournament. 5 games in 6 hours. Shredded my knees. I was in so much pain I could barely walk. Which depressed me. So I ate. And gained weight. Which caused more pain and depression. And the cycle started over again. I got up to 309 pounds in 6 months.

What to do? Not more surgery. My cousin has had all the surgeries. Some twice. She ends up weighing more a year later than before the surgery. Not more diets. I've tried them all. Even the faith-based ones where you're a bad Christian if you can't let God control your food intake. 12-step? I fully acknowledge my addiction is food, but it's not like you can quit eating full-stop forever.

However I needed to try something different, so I researched 12-step programs. And found an article that said maybe 12-step wasn't the best answer. There are drugs available that turn off the pleasure sensors which have shown great success with alcoholics, narcotic abusers, smokers... I thought surely they've figured out how to do this with food.

I made an appointment to talk to my doctor. And it turns out there is a drug called Contrave. Not a diet pill that makes you jittery and destroys your heart. It's a mind pill. Part antidepressant, part something else. And it shuts off the feeling of comfort and happiness eating used to bring me.

I have been absolutely amazed. For the first time in my life I am not eating until I am full or until my plate is clean. I am eating merely until I am not hungry. And then I don't want anymore. Sometimes I even find the idea of eating another bite revolting. I still like certain foods. I still have cravings. But I don't have to feel guilty about giving in or eating what I want. Because I can stop after a bite or two.

I realized too that I used to experience great anxiety not only over my plate not being cleaned, but over other people leaving food on their plate as well. Now that the anxious feeling isn't constantly present when I sit down to eat, I can see how much it affected me.

I'm losing 1-2 pounds a week. Consistently. I'm down over 30 pounds currently. I don't spend my time wondering when I can eat again or agonizing over how much I get to eat. Food isn't constantly in my thoughts. It's been utterly liberating. I haven't filled my lap-band again. My knees still haven't allowed me to start exercising. But I keep losing weight because for the first time in my entire life, I am in control.

Best part is, I don't have to take the drug forever. Just until my brain gets rewired to think this way -- a year or so.

I hope to be able to start exercising soon. I'm looking forward to getting stronger. Healthier. I want to be able to spend time doing things my friends can do and not sound like a steam engine about to explode. I want to fly on a plane and not get that disgusted, irritated look from the person I end up sitting next to. I want to be able to throw out my airline seatbelt extenders (different ones for different airlines). I want to be able to buy clothes that don't have a 2 in front of the size - 2X, 20+... I want to go to amusement parks and not be told I'm too big for the safety harness or the seat (that's utterly humiliating).

But at the very heart of it, I want to know my hours, my days, my life doesn't revolve around the next time I get to eat. That food does not control me.

And for the very first time, I believe all these things are possible. And it's such a massive burden lifted off my heart, mind, and soul.

Posted by: Oil Field Trash at July 21, 2016 07:14 PM (4aqU7)

228 208 The idea of Crossfit intrigues but I think I'm too old.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 06:58 PM (hJrjt)

I'm 63. I've had a broken back, a broken pelvis and a dozen other broken bones and I've been shot. The doctor told me I have bone on bone disks in my lower spine and he wanted to fuse them. Since Crossfit, that has gotten much better - to the point I don't even notice it - rarely anyway.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:09 PM (4ng05)

That's interesting. I'm 62 with slight knee issues and very tight hip flexors, which can cause lower back problems.
I've hired personal trainers from time to time. The thing I like about trainers is the fact they push me farther (or is it further) than I would on my own. When I think I'm done, they always say five more reps and somehow I'd get them done.
I had one trainer I liked to call my favorite she-Nazi. I actually loved working with her.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:14 PM (hJrjt)

229

Ok


Who is the girl

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 07:15 PM (zOTsN)

230 Hey Ace,
When your chest/shoulder starts feeling better shift from barbells to dumbbells for a month or so. (Or at least switch out every few chest/shoulder workouts to use dumbbells, it will help keep both sides of your body in balance).

Right now I like the Bigger, Leaner, Stronger workouts. The guy is pretty good at marketing but the workout itself seems solid. Got great results until allergies kicked in here. As soon as I can actually breath again I'm going right back to it.

Posted by: AdamPM at July 21, 2016 07:15 PM (SXVyF)

231 . I've put all my overweight and/or diabetic patients (T2DM) on cinnamon capsules.At Wal Mart ,1,00 mg/two capsules.


I have never heard of this. I always find easy answers the more attractive.

To the googles!

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 07:15 PM (rwI+c)

232 Jumping rope beats the crap out of running or bicycling. You have to jump lightly, though, to preserve the knees.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (zc3Db)

I have been using a good rowing machine. Not quite as much instantaneous heart rate elevation as running, but one whole hell of a lot easier on my knees, ankles and back.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:16 PM (3ZoRf)

233 >>>Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 07:15 PM (zOTsN)

Ha!! Nailed it!! Eye surgery, diet, working out!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:16 PM (2gKX/)

234 That's great to read Oil Field Trash.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (hJrjt)

235 "cheese and eggs, especially the yolks"

My health and strength are better now that I've returned to gleefully eating eggs complete with yolks, compared to when I was following the orthodox government dieticians' and doctors' guidelines and eating only the whites.

The yolks have most of the nutritional value. It's only that ridiculous irrational unfactual freakout about dietary cholesterol that brought them into an undeserved status as food villains.

Oh, my serum cholesterol numbers haven't budged despite the change.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (noWW6)

236 I'm in.

I've already gone from 238 down to 213 and have been asked if I'm entering in the Mr Naturals for the over 55 class.
But I agree, What gets measured, improves and is maintained." My additional twist added.

So what now. Where is the mailing list?

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (CRQ5V)

237 I'm going to call bullshit. One hour of weight training and 20 hours of fasting does not make up for 15 hours of sitting. Body mechanics are very simple and trying to make your body do something it hasn't ever had to do is injurious. People tend to overuse supplements without ever looking at long term effects.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (Pmv65)

238 Oil Field Trash, that's wonderful!

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (7lVbc)

239 Not sure that I will put my stats up, but I will read and comment (if allowed) with respectful interest.

BTW, Ace, 4 times a week you're fasting from 22-24 hours a day? Basically not eating at all for 4 out of 7 days?

I know there is more to it than that, but that sounds like you could be cutting 10,000 or more calories a week off a normal intake. That could result in a loss of say, 3 lbs a week(!) all other things being equal?

I tried the intermittent fast a couple of years ago when it got mentioned here and it seemed to help. I lost about 45 pounds, but picked about 15 back up and can't seem to knock that back off.

Posted by: RM at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (U3LtS)

240 One site that I like to keep up with is suppversity.blogspot.com. He does a good job of posting about the most recent exercise science research. He's a big fan of high intensity interval training, and creatine and baking soda.

Posted by: Xander Crews at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (25bQA)

241 And for the very first time, I believe all these
things are possible. And it's such a massive burden lifted off my heart,
mind, and soul.

Posted by: Oil Field Trash at July 21, 2016 07:14 PM (4aqU7)
===============================================

Your post really moved me. God bless you.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (dFi94)

242

Anyone tried the 'Athletic Greens' superfood supplement powder Tim Ferris endorsed?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (qul7b)

243 I know pretty much what I can eat calorie-wise to maintain and I'm FAR less likely to go overboard if I write it down.
It's weird. I never forbid myself to have a donut or a bag of chips. I just find I'm less likely to do it if I record the crime.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 21, 2016 07:10 PM (T/5A0)


right, you get a feel for what is heavy calories and what is not - it becomes second hand

it's easy if you just eat healthy, though

I usually have just a yogurt for breakfast, if I eat.

It looks like the fasting cycles mentioned above are simply skipping breakfast and not eating after dinner, no snacks. Easy. But, eat healthy.

My meals today:


Scrambled eggs and kiwi (I was in the mood for eggs). Coffee. Water.

Shrimp Salad (just greens and poached shrimp with a little dressing). Water.

Chicken on the grill w/bbq sauce, and yellow squash.

Water.

I always feel good.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:18 PM (qCMvj)

244 On Banting diet for one month. Went from 192.5 to 178 in that period. Side benefit is that I no longer have joint pain in knees and elbows present before starting this.

Posted by: profligatewaste at July 21, 2016 07:18 PM (t7h71)

245 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:16 PM (3ZoRf)

Rowing is a great workout but it's too hard for most people to keep up with it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2016 07:18 PM (zc3Db)

246

Zackly


Eye surgery


Dieting


Trying muscle powders


Who is the chick

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 07:19 PM (zOTsN)

247 Screw that. The "Always Hungry" author differs with Jason Fung (IF) in that HEAVY CREAM is exactly what your body wants and won't make you fat. I use a ton every morning with some "skinny syrup," in mocha flavor. You can get it at Bed, Bath & Beyond. You'll thank me on your next drive to work.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2016 07:13 PM (OJKE+)


Thanks, I might try that. I've been using liquid stevia for years now, ever since I developed an allergy/sensitivity to sucralose (Splenda). I break out in hives if I eat it now. Weird.

Posted by: Gran at July 21, 2016 07:19 PM (lcUJ5)

248 Didja know Trump's RBC count is higher than Cruz's, and the cells have 10% higher O2 carrying capacity?

So suck it Cruzers!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (1CroS)

249 If anyone is interested -- those bands give you a pretty decent workout

More like a work-over! Watch out for those damned things.

Posted by: Hairy Reed, The Searchlight Strangler at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (OLNwX)

250 246

Zackly


Eye surgery


Dieting


Trying muscle powders


Who is the chick
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 07:19 PM (zOTsN)



That dirty skank twitter.

Posted by: buzzion at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (z/Ubi)

251 I started riding a bike to get in shape. I now ride to the store to get my beer and cigarettes.

Posted by: Some A-hole at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (qC8kc)

252 On measuring:

I find it's best to measure multiple ways, because sometimes you'll get one wonky reading (no weight loss registered, but you feel like you lost weight).

When you measure multiple ways, you're pretty certain of geting one or more hits and thus validation and reinforcement.

The methods are:

Scale
Bodyfat percentage reading (many scales do this)
Measuring waist/hips/thigh/upper arm with tape
mirror

also, you can just sort of tell when your pants keep slipping off.

mirror is a big one, as someone said above. My bodyfat reading today said I gained bodyfat, but I can tell that's wrong. I can see in the mirror I've dropped fat.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (dciA+)

253 It better not be Winona or I'm gonna feel weird!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (2gKX/)

254 I'm losing weight.
I weigh every morning.
Sometimes it goes back up one, but I don't freak out.
The IF thing (I skip breakfast) is shrinking my stomach - I feel stuffed with smaller portions.
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:11 PM (7lVbc)


weighing is important

if you're in shape, you don't have to do it every day

I slip on jeans to test sometimes. Jeans are great for testing weight gain. Slacks in general. (I wear a lot of dresses).

and yeah, if you go up one or two, don't freak, it levels out

holidays are when I have to worry - we eat out a lot - that's the killer

and when I know I'm having ice cream or cake, I cut back elsewhere in the day

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:21 PM (qCMvj)

255 OT: I guess the leftist protesters in Cleveland decided they weren't evil enough sooooo . . . .

The Cleveland Police Department has added syringes to the list of banned items after several unconfirmed reports of protesters outside the GOP convention pricking officers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 21, 2016 07:21 PM (Nwg0u)

256 if you're already in the Moron Health Club, or would like to start, please enroll below.

Would you have me as a member? In that case, no way!

Been on the evolutionary bandwagon since 1999.

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2016 07:22 PM (w/iDp)

257 So anyhoo I got a Samsung tab 4 nook from Barnes and Noble.

It's pretty neat.

Anyone have thoughts about what it can do?

Or what?

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 07:22 PM (qUNWi)

258 What I've been following seems to be paleo, but that word hasn't been used in coaching.
I love cheese but eliminating dairy hasn't been hard.
The hardest part has been cutting coffee, because I really don't see coffee as being particularly harmful. I've committed to this program. And there's no doubt it is benefiting me so I comply with my coaching and stopped drinking coffee.

I'm past the caffeine addiction and I think it's good to not have to waste time and money buying mediocre or worse coffee. But I genuinely like coffee. And I like coffee-making rituals so I will go back at some point in the next few months.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:22 PM (hJrjt)

259 I use heavy cream in my second cup of coffee & after.

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:22 PM (7lVbc)

260 mirror is a big one, as someone said above. My bodyfat reading today said I gained bodyfat, but I can tell that's wrong. I can see in the mirror I've dropped fat.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:20 PM (dciA+)


I've read those body fat scales are a scam, because it can't really be customized. We looked into buying one years ago and just didn't.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:23 PM (qCMvj)

261 Oil Field Trash,

I'm so glad you've found something that works for you. I'd never heard of that drug, but it makes sense it would work since diet is so tied to anxiety and depression. Wishing you continued success!

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2016 07:23 PM (v3zRt)

262 I'm a simpleton about this. People get irritated with me and say, "Well, you just don't understand metabolism. Etc., etc."

My perspective is (Calories consumed) - (Calories expended) = Weight gain/loss

A balanced modest diet combined with moderate exercise compels weight gain/loss to track caloric intake.

As I said, I'm a simpleton, and people always insist that I just don't grasp something , and yet there just doesn't (to me) seem to be a plausible counterpoint.

I'm not making a throwaway comment, because I know that people struggle with this.

Posted by: Puzzled in NC at July 21, 2016 07:23 PM (OLNwX)

263 That's interesting. I'm 62 with slight knee issues and very tight hip flexors, which can cause lower back problems.
I've hired personal trainers from time to time. The thing I like about trainers is the fact they push me farther (or is it further) than I would on my own. When I think I'm done, they always say five more reps and somehow I'd get them done.
I had one trainer I liked to call my favorite she-Nazi. I actually loved working with her.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:14 PM (hJrjt)

As I said earlier, my hips don't even work right. When I started Crossfit, my squat was like 4". Yesterday, I did my first regulation squat in 5 years. One of the elements of Crossfit that they stress, is mobility and they have some really effective exercises and techniques to help you increase your mobility.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:23 PM (4ng05)

264 >>>246

Zackly


Eye surgery


Dieting


Trying muscle powders


Who is the chick
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 07:19

...

the chick is called "life." For a long time I thought I had a heart condition. Also, my panic kept getting tripped and kept me inactive. (People with panic tend to stay inside.)

Since getting the all clear on my heart, and fixing my panic (reduced nicotine and caffeine), I can actually do shit.

I feel like I've been living in prison for a while, and i'm just more inclined to do stuff.

This is part of the reason I'm always ragging on twitter and facebook and tv. I just see those things as manacles I used to wear.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:23 PM (dciA+)

265 OT: saw a bumper sticker today on one of those itty-bitty Fiats:

GIANT METEOR 2016:
Just End It Already

I guess SMOD is trademarked by the Ace o' S Corporation

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2016 07:24 PM (9mTYi)

266 >>>
I've read those body fat scales are a scam, because it can't really be customized. We looked into buying one years ago and just didn't

i kinda think it's bullshit but I figure you can get a trendline from it.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:25 PM (dciA+)

267 And furthermore, you crazy Commie nut jobs with your toilet-paper-roll-upside-down , pull from the bottom heathen antics should be duct taped to a log and sat on by naked sumo wrestlers until you recognize that over the top is simply the way God and nature intended.....


...


I missed something, didn't I.

Posted by: Mortimer at July 21, 2016 07:25 PM (xOs4a)

268 Color guard has rifles tonight at the convention

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:25 PM (bksJQ)

269 until you recognize that over the top is simply the way God and nature intended.....

and your cats like it too.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 07:25 PM (rwI+c)

270 I lost 30+lb very quickly some years ago when a certain medical diagnosis came in quite negative. I kept most of it off for 8-9 years but in the past few it's crept back on.

I know exactly what would help me to get it off: someone paying me $60 million in constructive termination. Then I just pay other people to deal with all the stuff that sucks up my time.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (o+SC1)

271
Anyone tried the 'Athletic Greens' superfood supplement powder Tim Ferris endorsed?
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 21, 2016 07:17 PM (qul7b)


Supplements for the most part are a waste of money.Your body takes what it needs and the rest goes to waste.A good balanced diet will provide all that is needed.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (lKyWE)

272 I work out with a trainer 3 times a week. Cardio on Tue and Thursday. I hike up the hill.
I've been having success with low carbs. My downfall is drinking. We are going out tonight, I will feel bad tomorrow and eat junk. I need to lose 5 lbs. Always.
Having to meet the trainer is good for me or else I wouldn't work out that hard. I think I'd sleep in.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (eU/yZ)

273 I'm trying to lose weight in with diet and exercise, but I seemed plagued by tiny injuries. In my 40s now. I was fucking bullet proof when I was younger. You could toss me off a building and I would shake it off.

Posted by: Max Power at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (q177U)

274 I need to gain five pounds in 20 days or they'll have to add suspenders to my strapless wedding dress.

Life is tough all over.

Posted by: Spellcheck at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (HKBpI)

275 I have not weighed myself in years. But I do know my weight as I can easily gauge it by the way my clothes fit.
You know how much you weigh. I don't personally think it is a good idea to be emotionally attached to your scale because that's what happens and you berate yourself to kingdom come when you slip up and tend to eat more and round and round you go. But everyone does their own thing and in their own way.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2016 07:27 PM (CFc5L)

276 I'm toilet paper roll parity ambiguous.

Hell, as long as it plays out who cares?

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 07:27 PM (qUNWi)

277 >> I missed something, didn't I.

No, I think that falls in the 'don't interrupt him, he's rolling' category.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:27 PM (o+SC1)

278 Color guard has rifles tonight at the convention

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:25 PM (bksJQ)
========================================

I read that as "raffles" and wondered what the prizes were.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:28 PM (dFi94)

279 I'll never abandon coffee (well, maybe on my deathbed), but I will find ways to cut down the caffeine. For soda I'm pretty much a caffeine-free Coke person now. I think it tastes better than the original and I can cut down personal daily caffeine intake by over 50%.

Small step but at least it's a step and I don't punish myself by denying full-on, big-flavor coffee.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2016 07:28 PM (1CroS)

280 Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:25 PM (dciA+)
That's what my trainer tells me. Watch the trend. He explained how they work, I don't remember. His calipers are more accurate.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 21, 2016 07:29 PM (eU/yZ)

281

To learn more about healthy health in general, really recommend

Prescription for Nutritional Healing, Fifth Edition: A Practical A-to-Z Reference to Drug-Free Remedies Using Vitamins, Minerals, Her bs & Food Supplements

https://amzn.com/1583334009

I have bought at least 3-4 editions over the years.

Everything in there, like the cinnamon mentioned above. (yes, weight loss, fight fat) But, also beware of the cautions, which this book covers (for example, cinnamon, not large amounts when pregnant).

Great book. (Buy it through the Ace Amazon site if you do.)

There is a section on fasting, but not for weight loss, for cleaning toxins and allowing organs to rest.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:29 PM (qCMvj)

282 Posted by: Spellcheck at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (HKBpI)
=========================================


You're getting married? Congratulations! Can your alterations person do something in regards to your dress?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:30 PM (dFi94)

283 I've read those body fat scales are a scam, because it can't really be customized. We looked into buying one years ago and just didn't.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette
---------------------
Disclaimer:
I spent more than 20 years inthe fitness biz. Personal trainer and regional mgr for an outfit that sold high-end equipment that you use at the gym. And quality home equipment.

I wouldn't call the scales junk, but they are not accurate.
The hand-held units might be a step up.
Someone qualified to check body fat with calipers would be much better (you can buy a set for home, then learn to use them).
Of course, buoyancy test is ideal...

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 07:30 PM (m1x3q)

284 >> Small step but at least it's a step and I don't punish myself
>> by denying full-on, big-flavor coffee.

I drink a fair amount of coffee, but no soft drinks.

Bought a 20lb CO2 tank, a regulator, and some plumbing to make my own club soda. Keep 2 1-liter bottles of water in the fridge, ready to go.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:30 PM (o+SC1)

285 Posted by: Max Power at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (q177U)
I hear you. Two steps forward three steps back.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 21, 2016 07:30 PM (eU/yZ)

286 >>>On Banting diet for one month. Went from 192.5 to 178 in that period.

the Banting diet is 140 years old and was routinely prescribed to reduce weight until the idiots decided -- with no evidence -- that fat causes you to get fat.

The Atkins diet is just the Banting diet.

The secret to losing weight was known for 100 years, until some idiots decided to form a Consensus and put people on an experimental diet (high carb) that has resulted in obesity, diabetes, and cancer.

Read gary Taubes "Good Calories Bad Calories" about this. It's a scandal. It's Global Warming. You won't believe how close the analogy is to Global Warming "consensus" forming this all is.

They had it completely right, then they decided to change everything with no evidence and put America on the World's Worst Possible Diet, and millions of people died early.

And only now are doctors beginning to acknowledge that "science" and a "settled consensus" (with no actual evidence for it) murdered people.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:30 PM (dciA+)

287 I read that as "raffles" and wondered what the prizes were.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 07:28 PM 


With my typing skills it was a 50/50 it would come out as rifles or faffles

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:31 PM (bksJQ)

288 276 I'm toilet paper roll parity ambiguous.

Hell, as long as it plays out who cares?
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 07:27 PM (qUNWi)


No, it's imperative that we must have Strong Opinions about this vital topic which affects us all.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (sdi6R)

289 I lost 125 pounds of nagging fat the easy way. I divorced her.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (xInes)

290 JEN, me too - love coffee but not soda.
And I love carbonated / seltzer water.

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (7lVbc)

291 I feel like I've been living in prison for a while, and i'm just more inclined to do stuff.

This is part of the reason I'm always ragging on twitter and facebook and tv. I just see those things as manacles I used to wear.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:23 PM (dciA+)


happy for you

you feel good when you balance out everything

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (qCMvj)

292 For to lose, one can first go penniless for a while and then meager food may seem a banquet. So too is, the difference between eating and dining -- and combined == less food. Savor the flavor. Forage all day, not three squares.

I can't eat an entire whataburger anything in one sitting, true.

But, I can be happy with steamed broccoli, eggs, peanut butter...

Posted by: micky at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (o5vMc)

293 JEM, not JEN, sorru

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (7lVbc)

294 Posted by: Spellcheck at July 21, 2016 07:26 PM (HKBpI)
They will fix it, I haven't seen a bride yet that hasn't lost a lot of weight.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 21, 2016 07:33 PM (eU/yZ)

295 >> No, it's imperative that we must have Strong Opinions
>> about this vital topic which affects us all.

I'm sure there's published peer-reviewed research somewhere on the subject.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:33 PM (o+SC1)

296 Max Power: "I was fucking bullet proof when I was younger. You could toss me off a building and I would shake it off."

Yeah, the Supreme Being loves to tease you with stuff and then yank it all away for some perverse pleasure. There are several things I was much better at and now are disintegrating before my eyes. The arc of life might be better if we just improved forever until we hit the wall of death... which was a couple of generations further away from us than they are now.

Death and Decrepitude, I stab at Thee!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2016 07:34 PM (1CroS)

297 Here's my own update: Continue losing weight. Some muscles now kinda-sorta visible in stomach. At least... if you know what you're looking for.

Pics or it didn't happen!

Posted by: Barney Frank at July 21, 2016 07:34 PM (XnLTM)

298 There will be a day under President Julian Castro all toilet paper rolls will be dispensed with, you will dream about the day you used to have toilet paper.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:34 PM (bksJQ)

299 I'm sure there's published peer-reviewed research somewhere on the subject.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:33 PM (o+SC1)


Not in Venezuela, there isn't.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2016 07:34 PM (zc3Db)

300 Thanks for posting this. I started doing LCHF the day you posted it. I had never dieted before despite being pretty overweight. I wanted to lose weight, sure, just not badly enough to do anything about it. Finally hit a point where I wanted to do something and your post was the catalyst for me to say "it's time." So, here are the changes I have made.

Dramatically reduced alcohol consumption. Went from a bottle of wine and change a night to one glass of wine or one glass of bourbon or no more than two beers in a day. Usually it's a glass of red wine after dinner.

Went full bore on LCHF and realized that it's actually a lot of work to eat a lot of fat because it necessarily means you're doing more cooking when you might otherwise just order pizza or get something premade and reheat in the oven. Unless you eat sticks of butter - that doesn't take any prep time. But....that's not for me. So I've had to be more intentional about meal planning. It's been a lot of work to keep those meals planned and not give in to the temptation to save time by ordering a pizza but you know what - meal planning and meal prep is worth the time.

My daily food schedule goes something like this. In the morning I don't eat breakfast - just have a couple cups of coffee with half and half and then drink water thereafter. For lunch I have leftovers from the night before and then nothing until dinner time which due to my work & family schedule usually doesn't happen til around 7:00 or so. Sometimes not until 8:30 if things go haywire with a kid which they often do the age my kids are. Then I don't eat anything from dinner time until lunch the next day so fasting roughly 8pm to 12 or 1pm the next day. So the fasting time is intermittent anywhere from 16-18 hours.

Trying to keep as much variety as I can so I don't get board of my meals. Usually I will do a meat with a veggie or salad side. Meats have been bacon, bratwurst, venison, salmon, steak, chicken, pork chops, etc. The HEB grocery stores are fantastic on the meal prep side of things because you can pick up pre-seasoned pork chops, chicken legs, pork tenderloins, salmon patties, etc. Just cook 'em up. I usually like to season my own but when I don't have the time it is great to be able to pick up a pack of 4 or 5 seasoned pork chops for less than $5.

Sometimes I cook up the veggies in the grease from whatever meat I just cooked. Other times do them raw or incorporate them in a salad. I have quit buying store bought dressings and now flavor my salads with olive oil, a little salt, and crumbled blue or feta cheese.

Results wise - first two weeks I killed 10 pounds. I think. I didn't actualy weigh the first day or so and not sure I trust my scale entirely. It might have been more like 12 pounds. But anyway... Went to a wild wedding weekend and indulged in the food & booze and gained some of it back.

I feel great though. Feel a lot more healthy. I know I'm losing weight. I can almost feel it dropping off. I have decided to weigh once a week on Fridays so I'll be eager to see where I'm at tomorrow morning. Dang hard not to step on that scale every day. But I think the incrementalness of the daily change would be depressing so I am going to stick with weekly.

I notice that I am way more productive too in pretty much every facet of life from work to stuff around the house. I don't spend every day trying to recover from a little too much wine the night before and I'm not carb crashing in the afternoons which was a real drag pretty much every day. I have more energy and an easier time getting up in the mornings. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like my knees aren't screaming at me as much as they were.

Ace - I know you're not a doc so you can't take all the credit. But the LCHF thing makes more sense to me than any diet or weight loss plan I have ever heard of. Part of why I never dieted before is because pretty much every diet I ever heard about sounded super faddish. LCHF is the first thing that has ever really rung true to me. I watched the videos and read a bunch of other stuff and it just set right, you know. I am trying to treat this not as a diet but as a lifestyle - as the new normal. Yeah, I will have a piece of cake on my kid's birthday. But I won't have to feel guilty about it because it's ok to have a little treat on occasion. I think that is a perspective that is unique to lifestyle and not totally compatible with dieting. But what do I know, I'm new to all this.

Glad to be part of the Moron Health Club. Sign me up for the platinum membership. I heard that comes with a monthly cup of chocolate pudding.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 21, 2016 07:35 PM (SUtNI)

301 Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:32 PM (7lVbc)
I don't drink soda either. I drink a lot of water.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 21, 2016 07:35 PM (eU/yZ)

302 It's ice cream time, Cookies and cream tonight.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:35 PM (bksJQ)

303 I quit coffee many month's back, never thought I could do it. I feel better, even though the scientists tell me it may cure everything.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 21, 2016 07:35 PM (6Ll1u)

304 Nood

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 21, 2016 07:35 PM (YLidQ)

305 Color guard has rifles tonight at the convention
Posted by: Skip
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Ah. But, what are they? Morons need details.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2016 07:36 PM (OLNwX)

306 Bodybuilders get ripped lifting and walking. And starving.

And 'roids.

On contest day those huge slabs of Mr Universe beef can't even lift a toy poodle. Or get a hard-on.

For realz.

Posted by: Mortimer at July 21, 2016 07:36 PM (xOs4a)

307 My bathroom just has TP rolls sitting there on a thing.

You reach over and unroll what you need.

This is not quantum mechanics.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 07:36 PM (qUNWi)

308 The Cleveland Police Department has added syringes
to the list of banned items after several unconfirmed reports of
protesters outside the GOP convention pricking officers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 21, 2016 07:21 PM (Nwg0u)




Here's an AJC link: https://tinyurl.com/ztoby2u




Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2016 07:36 PM (GUBah)

309 288 276 I'm toilet paper roll parity ambiguous.

Hell, as long as it plays out who cares?
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 07:27 PM (qUNWi)
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No, it's imperative that we must have Strong Opinions about this vital topic which affects us all.
Posted by: rickl
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Well, if you roll it to the back, you have to stretch farther, thus burning more calories...
But only heathens do that.

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 07:36 PM (m1x3q)

310 You gotta shoot for proportion. 6'8" and only 165 lbs is out of whack.

Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:37 PM (g9d8D)

311 Texas Zombie, that's great!

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:38 PM (7lVbc)

312 >> And I love carbonated / seltzer water.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01039C0Z0/

Screws on to 1-liter/2-liter bottle. You need a 5lb or if you've got the room a 20lb CO2 cylinder.

Fill bottle 3/4 full. Refrigerate. When cold, remove from fridge, open the cap a little and squeeze the air out of the top. Tighten cap, connect to CO2 tank, open valve, shake fifteen times while connected. Disconnect and continue shaking for another 30-45 seconds. Done.

Expecting our 20lb tank will last 2+ years.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:38 PM (o+SC1)

313 Gone on the eat less diet. Using Myfitnesspal as my diary app. So far so good, gone from 380 to 323 since starting strict counting. Down from 425 peak. I have found I have to set a daily limit and stick to it. Do I want an ice cream cone, go ahead, I just have to eat less of other things. Setting the right calorie goal is the heard part. I used several calculators mostly saying 2400 or so would be a good number for me. I started out around 2200 a day and have now dropped to 2000 and am maintaining a 1 lb per week loss rate. If the rate starts to slow up, the goal will move down. I also started walking a bit more and doing some weight lifting, but pretty minor. I found before that when I tried to work out a lot I just hurt myself and ended up do no exercise, because I couldn't walk. So 3 days a week walking, 3 days weights. Would low carb diet, or high protein, or watermelon, only diet do better, perhaps, but managing so far. Only real downer is that once I hit my maintinence weight, I might be able to add 300 or so calories, but cannot go back to eat however much I want if I want to stay there.

Posted by: Fredlike at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (AHd0y)

314 >>>ent full bore on LCHF and realized that it's actually a lot of work to eat a lot of fat because it necessarily means you're doing more cooking when you might otherwise just order pizza or get something premade and reheat in the oven. Unless you eat sticks of butter - that doesn't take any prep time. But....that's not for me.

avacados
salmon with cream cheese (lots of cream cheese)
onion dip with brocolli

also I do this high fat sauce:

I wedge parmesian, grated
1 stick butter
1 stick cream cheese
pint of heavy whipping cream
italian-style spices
lots of garlic

now pour that fat over brocolli or zero carb shitaki noodles.

Lots of fat.

I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dciA+)

315 I don't drink soda either. I drink a lot of water.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 21, 2016 07:35 PM (eU/yZ)


soda is really bad for you
diet soda, really really bad

I try to avoid soda, cut back on bread, no chips.

I do get migraines occasionally tho, and the diet pepsie actually helps kill it (coffee makes me vomit when I have a migraine), so I keep some on hand at all times.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:41 PM (qCMvj)

316 Another book I've heard good things about is "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz. It's not a diet book but more a history of how science and government got nutrition advice so wrong. I haven't read it myself but it has rave reviews at Amazon. You could probably learn a thing or two about nutrition just by reading the reviews.

https://tinyurl.com/jkag3fx

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

317 I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dciA+)

Why not cut out the middle man and just drink the sauce from a glass?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:41 PM (3ZoRf)

318 >>> I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.

Damn, that sounds good!

Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2016 07:42 PM (eiFlk)

319 On the cautionary note, the arguments on politics are nothing compared to nutrition/training on fitness sites. Lyle McDonald was supersmart but stirred more shit than the Ti-D-Bowl man. You haven't seen anything until you've seen the 5x5 versus the 3x8 crew, or volume versus HIT. Dear God avoid that shitshow.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 07:43 PM (JCdBH)

320 The only time I would ever use pay-pal is to buy Ace a manic dog, that if you didn't get it outside 6 times a day it would eat every shoe and every piece of furniture you own.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 07:43 PM (Pmv65)

321 Pretty sure it was M-1's, it was a Veterans group.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2016 07:43 PM (bksJQ)

322 JEM, where does one get a CO2 cylinder exactly?

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:44 PM (7lVbc)

323 I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.





Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dciA+)


Like a kicked-up alfredo sauce. Probably good on just about anything.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at July 21, 2016 07:44 PM (+eR2D)

324 avacados
salmon with cream cheese (lots of cream cheese)
onion dip with brocolli

also I do this high fat sauce:

I wedge parmesian, grated
1 stick butter
1 stick cream cheese
pint of heavy whipping cream
italian-style spices
lots of garlic

now pour that fat over brocolli or zero carb shitaki noodles.

Lots of fat.

I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dciA+)


Fat keeps you satisfied. The low-fat "diet" was also stupid. Fat is good for you.

I'm an avocado freak, btw. We had guac for dinner last night.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:44 PM (qCMvj)

325 Contrave is a fairly new drug on the market. I wouldn't have been interested in trying it because "diet pills"... well, they don't exactly have a sterling reputation, do they?

But after reading the article about the success they were having helping people with alcohol and drug addictions, I was intrigued enough to ask my doctor if there was a food version.

I was sent a scale by the manufacturer so they could gather data in exchange for paying 1/2 price for the medication (because insurance doesn't cover it). I weigh myself every morning and I get an e-mail at the end of the week with a graph showing my progress.

It's been fascinating to watch that line constantly trending downward without any feelings of deprivation or anxiety. I used to think people who claimed they "forgot to eat" were full of crap, but I actually understand how it is possible now.

I honestly cannot adequately express how liberating and life changing the past 4 months have felt. And even better, I haven't noticed any negative side effects.

Posted by: Oil Field Trash at July 21, 2016 07:45 PM (4aqU7)

326 >> I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so >> fucking good it's obnoxious.

I want to french a girl who's got a mouthful of that and feel it dripping down our necks.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:45 PM (o+SC1)

327 317 I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dciA+)

Why not cut out the middle man and just drink the sauce from a glass?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Seafood joint around the corner makes a broccoli & hollandaise that is absolutely perfect. It's not a normal side dish - you have to pay extra.
I bet they go through 55 gallons of hollandaise a week, easy.
I could lap that up like soup.

Ace's sace recipe just got saved, though. Sounds delish.

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 07:45 PM (m1x3q)

328 Currently doing intermittent fasting based on ace's recommendation. It works! And the best thing is it is not hard to do. It is exponentially easier for me to not eat at all than to control what it is and how much I am eating. I am down 7 pounds since I started - less than two weeks. From 217 to 210. Eating window is usually 4 to 6 hours and I feel great.

Posted by: Losing at July 21, 2016 07:45 PM (8OdfZ)

329 Lyle McDonald was supersmart but stirred more shit than the Ti-D-Bowl man

-------

Brilliant guy. Read all his books. Total anti-social ahole. His Monkey Island blog was a regular stop for me for years.

Posted by: Mortimer at July 21, 2016 07:46 PM (xOs4a)

330 My strategy is mostly to eat less. I've stopped eating 2nd breakfast, cut out most snacking, though I will crunch through a carrot.

Tonight for dessert I had a single peppermint.

Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2016 07:46 PM (eiFlk)

331 >> JEM, where does one get a CO2 cylinder exactly?

Find your local industrial/welding gas supply house.

Around here it's Airgas or a few independents.

A 20lb cylinder might be $140 to purchase but refills are much less, and like I said that will last a VERY long time.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:47 PM (o+SC1)

332 My strategy is mostly to eat less. I've stopped eating 2nd breakfast, cut out most snacking, though I will crunch through a carrot.

Tonight for dessert I had a single peppermint.
Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2016 07:46 PM (eiFlk)


I keep the Lindt chocolate on hand. Usually the dark with sea salt or something like that. I eat a square when I crave a sweet.

Peppermint is good, too.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:48 PM (qCMvj)

333 I've jumped on the bandwagon, not just because I need to be lighter and healthier anyway, but because I think we all will need to be pretty soon. To put it another way, I'm thinking that I may have a long hike out to the undisclosed location in store (like, a week-long hike), followed by a lot of manual labor doing things like planting/harvesting, chopping firewood, etc.


To that end, I've also started with the fasting and exercise. Over the last two weeks I've worked myself up to five miles every other day on the treadmill with the incline varying from 1.5 to 4.5 degrees. I'm not worrying too much about speed just yet, but I've been averaging about 3.2 mph. Once I get a little better endurance built up, I'll start increasing the speed with a goal of doing the five miles with a minimum pace of 9 minutes per mile. Right now the total weight loss is .5lb over the last week, but I think that's just muscle being built back up. I think it'll be another week or two before I start seeing weight (or fat) coming off in any significant amounts. I'm less concerned with weight than with shedding fat. The further goal is to start adding in weight training once I drop about another 10lbs (right now I'm 5'8" and 234). My goal is 175, which was a good weight for me previously.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2016 07:48 PM (GUBah)

334 7 years ago, at the age of 48, I lost 60 lbs (went from 240 to 180) by following a low-carb diet and exercising vigorously (I started doing P90X). Now I am 55 years old, still weigh 180, am still doing P90X (admittedly, every other day, not every day), and I can honestly say I am in really good shape for a "senior citizen." It really is a matter of willpower...I just keep doing my best to be consistent (though I'm not 100% - gained 5 lbs on vacation last week) and that seems to be what works for me.

Posted by: T-Bone at July 21, 2016 07:48 PM (kS4V8)

335 Eat Stop Eat is THE resource for IF.

IMHO.

Posted by: Mortimer at July 21, 2016 07:48 PM (xOs4a)

336

You sleep better when you don't snack at night.

Eat dinner, then stop.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:49 PM (qCMvj)

337 I lost thirty pounds with minimal effort (I am 6'1, 280, losing thirty for me is like normal people losing ten) by just adjusting both my food intake and the type.

Two cans of soda a day limit.

No fries.

Skip the pizza, one a month.

That kind of shit.

Then the gym four days a week.

Thirty min of cardio. Everything past that is a bonus.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at July 21, 2016 07:50 PM (ipFbG)

338 One other powerful disincentive to abandon coffee forever is the amount of money I've spent on coffee roasting and brewing equipment. I like it too much, plus I'm skeptical about claims about how bad coffee is for your health.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:50 PM (hJrjt)

339 >>> Currently doing intermittent fasting based on ace's recommendation.

After reading that 11 hors is the magic tipping point for fat burning, I try to space dinner and breakfast 11 1/2 hours apart.

Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2016 07:50 PM (eiFlk)

340 >> You sleep better when you don't snack at night.

I like a glass of milk at bedtime.

And at age 55 alcohol after 8PM f*cks up my sleep completely unless I'm absolutely physically exhausted.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:51 PM (o+SC1)

341 Just curious.....why the hell is there so much babbling on about Kate Upton? Yes, she's a nice blonde with large breasts but she's nothing I'd consider spectacular and certainly not worthy of all the delirious panting going on. Many many more beautiful faces with equally fun boobs - even a lot of unknown models do more for me than Upton.

Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:51 PM (g9d8D)

342 Most of the time, I eat the same thing everyday. Two chicken breakfast sausage links, an egg and a piece of Naan bread.

I have a recovery protein shake after workouts and I will sometime graze on berries and nuts, maybe a handful of each after that.

Though I don't plan them, I normally have one to two cheat meals a month if I go out to eat. I only drink on days I cheat so two beers or a cocktail will buzz the hell out of me.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:52 PM (4ng05)

343 Started the Intermittent Fasting because I figure what the heck. The first week was easy, practically didn't even notice the fasting. Week two by the time hour 16 rolls around I am ready to gnaw off my arm by breakfast.

Posted by: tms at July 21, 2016 07:52 PM (gQHeD)

344 338 One other powerful disincentive to abandon coffee forever is the amount of money I've spent on coffee roasting and brewing equipment. I like it too much, plus I'm skeptical about claims about how bad coffee is for your health.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:50 PM (hJrjt)


Who says coffee is bad for you? Everything I've heard says it's good. I think I read recently that it may help stave off Parkinson's Disease.

Too much caffeine would probably make you jittery, and you shouldn't drink it before bedtime. That's what alcohol is for.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:53 PM (sdi6R)

345 >> Thirty min of cardio. Everything past that is a bonus.

My pure weight-loss regimen at the gym, above and beyond dietary control I can't seem to manage right now, was all cardio - run 3 miles on the treadmill then 30 minutes pouring sweat on the bike.

I prefer running and biking outdoors in the real world but I'm not half so consistent about it.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (o+SC1)

346 As a potential diabetic, I'm glad to be off the daily coffee habit. I was worried about how it was affecting my pancreas and I think it often led to snacking.

Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (eiFlk)

347 re: Kate Upton

Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:51 PM (g9d8D)

Well, aside from perhaps Banana Splits guy, most of us do not discriminate. Upton is more of a short hand for the concept of boobs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (3ZoRf)

348 341 Just curious.....why the hell is there so much babbling on about Kate Upton?
Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:51 PM (g9d8D)


I agree. I'm more a Christina Hendricks man myself.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

349 344 338 One other powerful disincentive to abandon coffee forever is the amount of money I've spent on coffee roasting and brewing equipment. I like it too much, plus I'm skeptical about claims about how bad coffee is for your health.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:50 PM (hJrjt)


Who says coffee is bad for you? Everything I've heard says it's good. I think I read recently that it may help stave off Parkinson's Disease.

Too much caffeine would probably make you jittery, and you shouldn't drink it before bedtime. That's what alcohol is for.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:53 PM (sdi6R)

I agree. I recently read claims that coffee helps reduce the risk of liver cancer--which goes hand-in-hand with coffee during the day, liquor at night.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (hJrjt)

350
I agree. I'm more a Christina Hendricks man myself.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

Absolutely.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:56 PM (3ZoRf)

351 Who says coffee is bad for you? Everything I've heard says it's good. I think I read recently that it may help stave off Parkinson's Disease.

Too much caffeine would probably make you jittery, and you shouldn't drink it before bedtime. That's what alcohol is for.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:53 PM (sdi6R)

Black coffee is fasting fuel for me. Two cups of black coffee in the morning and I'm good for a very long time.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 07:56 PM (4ng05)

352 Um Ace? I think you mean convention, not Debate on the above thread.

Posted by: buzzion at July 21, 2016 07:56 PM (z/Ubi)

353 artisanal'ette- I have an alternative guacamole recipe that I use. 6-8 avacados, minced garlic, lime juice and shredded parmesan. All to taste.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 07:56 PM (Pmv65)

354 Grammy, the dress is as-is off the rack. Seemed perfect in March, but I stopped boredom-eating in April and felt too good to realize I looked so bad.

Posted by: Spellcheck at July 21, 2016 07:56 PM (HKBpI)

355 Just curious.....why the hell is there so much babbling on about Kate Upton?
Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:51 PM (g9d8D)

I agree. I'm more a Christina Hendricks man myself.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

****

Charlotte McKinney FTW. Look her up.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 21, 2016 07:57 PM (YLidQ)

356 That sauce sounds good. I wonder if you could tweak that a bit to make a clam chowder, without the potatoes, and with no flour for thickening.

What do you think, Ace? If I can eat clam chowder, I could do this low carb thing indefinitely. I can eat clam chowder like it's my goddamned job.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 07:57 PM (+EU58)

357 Charlotte McKinney FTW. Look her up.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 21, 2016 07:57 PM (YLidQ)

For some reason, she is fairly far down the list for me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2016 07:58 PM (3ZoRf)

358 As I expect a few insults for the Kate Upton ain't great comment. I point the doubters here: http://tinyurl.com/ht8qzop

Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:59 PM (g9d8D)

359 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean

re: skydiving

have fun !
i've always wanted to do that.

Posted by: concrete girl at July 21, 2016 07:59 PM (lgyjG)

360 Good idea.

My target weight is 2 pounds. I'll achieve it just as my cremains are cooling down.

Posted by: ArthurK at July 21, 2016 07:59 PM (h53OH)

361 YES! Charlotte McKinney is a great example. (Although she's a bit on the too dirty side for me - posted public selfies of herself with splooge all over her face - yes that splooge)

Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 08:00 PM (g9d8D)

362 re: skydiving

have fun !
i've always wanted to do that.
Posted by: concrete girl at July 21, 2016 07:59 PM (lgyjG)

I am really excited about it. You might try a tandem dive.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 08:01 PM (4ng05)

363 artisanal'ette- I have an alternative guacamole recipe that I use. 6-8 avacados, minced garlic, lime juice and shredded parmesan. All to taste.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 07:56 PM (Pmv65)


I make it different depending what I have on hand. Last night I had fresh tomatoes, so used them with 3 avocados, a jalapeno from my garden, cilantro from my garden, lime juice, garlic, cumin, and green onion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:01 PM (qCMvj)

364 Great idea, I'll delurk to join then relurk.

Started on the lchf right after the first thread, down 4 lbs the first week and I'm weighing in tomorrow at end of 2nd.

Posted by: chicagolurker at July 21, 2016 08:01 PM (AXEnn)

365 Ace, Shitaki noodles or Shirataki?

Posted by: USA at July 21, 2016 08:02 PM (tfM+W)

366 Keto egg fast has broken my stall before.

I'm into IF but starting to get a little wary of it as a woman...reading some conflicting reports, but I love Jason Fung so much, though. What's a girl to do?

Posted by: Bee at July 21, 2016 08:02 PM (7tHmS)

367 I read Taubes and was convinced that my flabby waist was a result of too much sugar and not near enough exercise.

I've always been a high protein eater, but I cut out the carbs and sugar sodas, joined a gym over a year ago and have never looked back.

It was tough going the first month because of lack of progress but a couple more into it and the changes were noticeable. Now, I can't stop.

Just recently I saw my a family member for whom I hadn't seen in 8 years and he was amazed at my body composition.

I'm 52, and probably in the best shape/health I've ever been.

Posted by: Dansgirls at July 21, 2016 08:03 PM (xBbs+)

368 What do you think, Ace? If I can eat clam chowder, I
could do this low carb thing indefinitely. I can eat clam chowder like
it's my goddamned job.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 07:57 PM (+EU5


You could use cauliflower in place of the potato. Add a little onion and celery for flavor.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at July 21, 2016 08:03 PM (+eR2D)

369 Dammit, I want apple fritters now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, turkey ain't all that's stuffed at July 21, 2016 08:05 PM (O6eUq)

370 artisanal'ette- Thanks for the tip about the cumin. I love it on my tequila /lime chicken wings but I will try it as you have. Thanks.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 08:06 PM (Pmv65)

371 one word:

Sexercise

Posted by: Jade Sea at July 21, 2016 08:06 PM (bb6wb)

372 DangerGirl -- not a cauliflower fan. I think I'd just leave the potatoes out and put more clam in. But yes, definitely I'd keep the celery and onion. (Onion has a little carb in it, but not much for the flavor gained.)

I'll try binging a recipe, I don't want to mess up a bunch of heavy cream and clams with experimentation.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 08:07 PM (+EU58)

373 I'd be specifically interested in workouts to rehab what's left of my right shoulder, after that nasty fall last September.

And my left hip, from the waterfall mishap this past April.

I'll be happy to get some relief from the pain on those. But, a lifetime of being bent, folded, stapled and mutilated beyond the point of U.S. Postal Service mailing limits, has a cumulative effect on the overall physical chassis.

And mine is needing some major straightening on the frame machine, body n' fender work, de-rusting and few new coats of paint.

For now though, running of any kind simply isn't in the equation. I'd do far more harm than good at this point.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2016 08:07 PM (v5iqM)

374 artisanal'ette- Thanks for the tip about the cumin. I love it on my tequila /lime chicken wings but I will try it as you have. Thanks.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 08:06 PM (Pmv65)

Oh yeah. Cummin makes everything better.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 08:08 PM (4ng05)

375 I worked out a lot in Afghanistan, and got in better shape than I thought possible. Now I maintain, just do pull-ups and barbell thrusters. Calculated the most effect for the least effort. I have been known to run, but not often.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2016 08:08 PM (q6C1L)

376 I'll try binging a recipe, I don't want to mess up a bunch of heavy cream and clams with experimentation.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 08:07 PM (+EU5

Clam broth, cream, onion, celery, clams, bacon...that should do it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at July 21, 2016 08:09 PM (+eR2D)

377 I went low carb around 8 years ago and lost 30 pounds fairly quickly. My weight has stabilized, but that's ok because I feel so much better. No GERD, no headaches, no joint aches and pains, and my mind is so much clearer. Also, my dental hygienist doesn't lecture me any more. There's literally nothing that hasn't been improved by going low cab high fat paleo! After over 50 years of eating lots of sugar and processed crap, the results have far exceeded anything I could have hoped for.

You gotta stick to it though, really adapting to a low carb lifestyle can take months.

Posted by: Woody at July 21, 2016 08:10 PM (+axYg)

378 For now though, running of any kind simply isn't in the equation. I'd do far more harm than good at this point.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2016 08:07 PM (v5iqM)-

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, go check out a Crossfit box. You can get a free workout for sure. Might be just the thing.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at July 21, 2016 08:10 PM (4ng05)

379 355
I agree. I'm more a Christina Hendricks man myself.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

****

Charlotte McKinney FTW. Look her up.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 21, 2016 07:57 PM (YLidQ)


Eh, there's someone I like much better than Christina or Charlotte, but you've never heard of her and it would be controversial to mention her.

*she's all mine*

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 08:10 PM (sdi6R)

380 Jim- Take your aching body to a pool and do all the rehab you want.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2016 08:12 PM (Pmv65)

381 Ace, check out Dr. Peter Attia at eatingacademy.com. He runs experiments on himself and willing colleagues, especially the effects of nutritional ketosis.

Posted by: wisenheimer at July 21, 2016 08:13 PM (qnhj2)

382 And interestingly, just got an email from Fitbit (I got a refurb Surge from Woot about two weeks ago). Evidently I've now walked 26 miles since receiving it.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2016 08:14 PM (GUBah)

383 Holy crap, a cup of canned clams has 5 grams of carbohydrates. ??!!

How in holy hell does a clam contain carbs? I'm at something like zero carbs for the week. I've just been eating cheese wrapped around deli meat with a line of sour cream down the middle, eggs, coffee with heavy cream (no sugar), and bacon.

At this point, I hate to actually eat carbs, particularly if I'm going to eat clams, and not, say, really good chocolate, or a nice cocktail. This is bullshit. Clams should not contain carbs. Oh damn it all.

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 08:16 PM (+EU58)

384 Jim,
I assume you went through some kind of rehab, no?
We're you given exercises for your rotator cuff? You can do them with a can of beans or a bottle of bourbon.
Shoulders only have a few purposes, so shoulder specific exercises are easy to find.

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 08:17 PM (m1x3q)

385 I lost about 40 pounds, went down quit a bit in waist size, and then gained most of it back. I feel the extra pounds that I carry. My low-carb diet did the trick the first time, but then when I revisited it, it didn't do anything for me.

Posted by: todd at July 21, 2016 08:19 PM (VJuM/)

386 Well damn, sorry to hear about the clams, Pastafarian.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at July 21, 2016 08:20 PM (+eR2D)

387 5 grams doesn't sound like that much. Unless you're eating like eight cans a day.

Moderation. A few carbs won't kill you.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 08:22 PM (sdi6R)

388
368 What do you think, Ace? If I can eat clam chowder, I
could do this low carb thing indefinitely. I can eat clam chowder like
it's my goddamned job.

Posted by: Pastafarian

...

yes, as someone said, you just have to scratch make it. The Atkins book had a clam chowder recipe.

All you really have to do is skip the potatoes or sub with cauliflwer and skip the flour in favor of some other thicking agent (or just making it with heavy whipping cream and adding a little cream cheese to give some body)

everything else -- heavy cream, bacon, clam, butter, onion and celebry -- is fine for the high fat/low car regimen

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:23 PM (dciA+)

389 I too gained weight after quitting smoking and have been working since last July to lose it. When I started, I was 301 pounds. Now I'm 248. I've been walking at least 45 minutes a day and doing an hour of weight lifting every night. I use Fitbit to make sure I hit 10,000 steps every day I'm not traveling for work, and I use the Lose It! app to track what I eat. It's got a great library of foods and lets you scan barcodes on your phone, so it's very convenient.

I also just started using Hello Fresh for my meals. After dieting for a year I'd gotten into a rut food wise and it's easy to overindulge when you are so sick of chicken and rice for dinner. Hello Fresh is a meal delivery service where you get a box of three meals (two servings per meal) each week with everything already portioned out and ready to be cooked. It's not diet food, it's honestly the best food I've ever eaten, and it's recipes I wouldn't try on my own. Last week was steak and nectarine salad one day, then pork chops with grape salsa, sweet potatoes, and broccolini, and the third meal was pan-seared chicken with dill sauce, Yukon potatoes, and green beans. Each meal is between 450 and600 calories. I can't say enough how good this food is. I have never had chicken I cooked just with salt and pepper on the stove that tasted so delicious. I highly highly highly recommend this service even if you aren't on a diet.

Posted by: Zoomie at July 21, 2016 08:24 PM (GtQG5)

390 >>>. My low-carb diet did the trick the first time, but then when I revisited it, it didn't do anything for me.

i had trouble on low-carb Mark II as well. I think your body begins breaking down protein for fuel, thus almost giving you your carbs "back," in a way.

I'm losing weight now that I've gone low-carb HIGH FAT. that last part is important. You have to swap in fat to reduce carbs while keeping protein normal. Swapping carbs to protein may result in your body just switching to protein for fuel.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:25 PM (dciA+)

391 >>>Holy crap, a cup of canned clams has 5 grams of carbohydrates. ??!!

i've learned that sugar is actually a natural preservative and a lot of processed foods include unnecessary sugar just to extend shelf life.

but even so, 5 grams in a meal isn't a big thing at all. sure you'll get some more from the rest of the soup but it's fine.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:27 PM (dciA+)

392 Intermittent Fasting here too. Learned it from the post you listed.

History: Bad heart - replacement level numbers, diabetes, type-2 - uncontrolled on medicine so I quit medicine. Overweight, have been for decades. Initial heart problem was misdiagnosed at depression, so mistreated for first 23 years.

I am fasting for 20-hours, eating in a four hour window. Then fasting for 44 hours, and eating in same time window. I've gone down 24 from typical weight for the last 30 years (280 to 256), and my blood sugar has dropped from 336 (the highest of the first tests after quitting all that for a while) down to, now, a low of 154... in about 7 or 8 cycles.

I drink tea, will probably be adding cream in the mornings and at "meal time" on the non-meal days. I found the sugar replacements I had were just as bad as, or worse than, sugar. I've heard liquid sugar substitutes might work... next time I'm at the store I'll buy. No food otherwise.

Some rough periods. But fasting was/is a breeze. Mostly meat and fat, just some better carbs (though there will be a treat day every two weeks... anything goes).

So... there you go. Thanks for the solution. I was about to lose my drivers license, between the Vets Admin calling the state on me, and the state being a real c*%t (Utah, stay away). This might keep my license. I'll be moving to Alaska in a year or two.

Posted by: Doom at July 21, 2016 08:27 PM (4JtYT)

393 rinsing the water from the clams would also get rid of a lot of the sugar

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:29 PM (dciA+)

394 Chi, sadly, I was turned out of the ER after the fall, with nothing but a scrip for some pain pills, and not even an MRI.

'Cause I could raise my arms, and do the range of motion, they said I wasn't badly hurt. Even when I told them that things felt amiss in there, they said if I was hurt, I wouldn't be able to move like that.

Well, later, at home, when shock wore off, it was a different story.

And thanks to 0zero care, no insurance worth mentioning. Scrood.

I like what you said about a bourbon workout though. I think I'll go pour me a glass of liquid rehab!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2016 08:29 PM (v5iqM)

395 Don't use canned clams?
Can you get them frozen?

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 08:30 PM (m1x3q)

396 good work, doom!

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:31 PM (dciA+)

397 >>> the sugar replacements I had were just as bad as, or worse than, sugar.

Some people get an insulin reaction to artificial sweeteners. I suspect I am one of them, so I just avoid them.

Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2016 08:31 PM (eiFlk)

398 I use a kettlebell for weight training, just 25 reps in the morning. Learning more exercises with. Helps with core and posture.

Posted by: chicagolurker at July 21, 2016 08:32 PM (AXEnn)

399
That's pretty much the diet I've been on for several years. I do love eating tasty critters but I do miss nature's most perfect food....pizza. I've gone from 305 to 187 .


Posted by: Psycholoco at July 21, 2016 08:32 PM (l70qg)

400 weisenheimer-- thanks, I like the guys who body-hack themselves

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:32 PM (dciA+)

401 308
The Cleveland Police Department has added syringes

to the list of banned items after several unconfirmed reports of

protesters outside the GOP convention pricking officers.



Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 21, 2016 07:21 PM (Nwg0u)



Here's an AJC link: https://tinyurl.com/ztoby2u






Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2016 07:36 PM (GUBah)


Diabetics hardest hit.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2016 08:33 PM (EzgxV)

402 Alright, I'm sold, I'm making clam chowder this weekend. I'll let everyone know how it comes out in the next health thread. (I'm sure you're all on pins and needles.)

Posted by: Pastafarian at July 21, 2016 08:36 PM (+EU58)

403 Ok, count me in. I've tried the low carb thing for a while but can't stay on it. However, I started intermittent fasting after that AoS post and I've lost 6 pounds. At this point it's easier for me because it simplifies things and I only have to think about food once a day. I also like Dr. Fung's videos.

Good luck, everybody!

Posted by: sinalco at July 21, 2016 08:36 PM (yODqO)

404 >>That's pretty much the diet I've been on for several years. I do love eating tasty critters but I do miss nature's most perfect food....pizza. I've gone from 305 to 187 .

i eat pizza once a week

just can't have the bread. you use a fork to pull the cheese off.

yeah it's weird and you miss the bread but it's still pretty good

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:37 PM (dciA+)

405 341
Just curious.....why the hell is there so much babbling on about Kate
Upton? Yes, she's a nice blonde with large breasts but she's nothing I'd
consider spectacular and certainly not worthy of all the delirious
panting going on. Many many more beautiful faces with equally fun boobs -
even a lot of unknown models do more for me than Upton.


Posted by: Smitth27 at July 21, 2016 07:51 PM (g9d8D)


She's a nice blonde with large breasts who is happy about it -- and is happy that other people are happy about it, too.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2016 08:38 PM (EzgxV)

406 Friday is pizza day for lunch. It looks weird at the restaurant, but leave the crust and order meat!

Posted by: chicagolurker at July 21, 2016 08:38 PM (AXEnn)

407 I found that when intermittent fasting, the one meal a day I allow myself has become smaller. It's not that I'm forcing myself to eat less...it's just that my appetite has decreased so what would have been a regular meal a couple of months ago has turned into a gut-stuffing feast.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 21, 2016 08:39 PM (16TRA)

408 I tell you what you don't want to hear:

Allen Carr's "The Easyway to Control Your Drinking"

His Easyway was right about smoking. But drinking? That seemed kind of scary.

If you quit smoking you're a hero. If you quit drinking you're a weirdo. But then you find there's a whole group of closeted tea-totallers out there.

So yeah. I'm a weirdo. But I look damn sexy and feel great. I'm coming up on a year booze free. I do not miss it. Which is unbelievable. I think I should miss it. But I actually don't. Here's why: Talk about freedom.

Friday -- I go to a party. Have a great time -- I don't have to worry about going too far. Drive home with no worries. Wake up the next morning feeling great. Pedal four hours on my bike. Then go on my boat. Throw my kids around. Then go home bang my hot wife because I don't have whiskey dick. Then fall asleep, deep asleep.

The weight, now she's is easy to keep off. And yeah, I like setting the right example for my boys and nephews.

If you drink you have the power to make yourself (nearly) instantaneously richer. I mean richer in the way you start living the way you really want to. Richer in a way that money can't buy. It actually took about 5 weeks for the final booze side effects to wear off. But even before that it is just better.

You start clearing up your shit, you'll find that people in your life will start doing the same.

Posted by: Men's Temperance 20,000 Leagues under the Sea at July 21, 2016 08:40 PM (svFmG)

409 I see that honey has slightly fewer carbs than sugar - I wonder if that is an acceptable substitute?

Jim,
After I do a few chores (dog, clothesline, fresh drink), I'll look for what I'm thinking of. Rotator cuff could very well be your source of pain. A few simple exercises (that you do with very light weight, while seated) may help. Consult a physician, of course...
I'll post here or try to email you .

Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2016 08:41 PM (m1x3q)

410 I can do low carb for short periods, but get too grouchy after a while.

I have a bad sweet tooth and if I can stay away from all the junk, keeping fit is easier.

Posted by: willy at July 21, 2016 08:42 PM (Ffw22)

411 When I in a induction phase, I make a fake pizza like thing by just putting some pepperoni, a little onion, minced garlic, Italian seasoning and chilli peppers in a small pan. The stuff cooks in the pepperoni grease. When they are just about cooked, I cover it up with mozzarella cheese. When the cheese is mostly melted, turn off the heat, and when it cools enough to be stable, flip onto your plate.

It makes a great fake pizza.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 08:42 PM (rwI+c)

412 Pastafarian, clams eat plankton, which is about 40% carbs.

Maybe you could slip the clams some Dulce Lax?

Posted by: Kindltot at July 21, 2016 08:42 PM (ry34m)

413 I'm losing weight now that I've gone low-carb HIGH
FAT. that last part is important. You have to swap in fat to reduce
carbs while keeping protein normal. Swapping carbs to protein may result
in your body just switching to protein for fuel.





Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:25
*****
Care to share what your menu looks like? Just a couple of examples -but then, I can google/Bing it too and will probably not see your reply. So f*ck that request.

I lost 22 lbs on a meth/bath salts diet but finding out in jail the next day about running through the town square naked and covered in the blood of a poodle I bit to death was totally embarrassing.

Posted by: oddnot does fret and with reason at July 21, 2016 08:42 PM (g1MTt)

414 Late to the thread, but...
>It's to keep myself accountable to others for it.

I think this is part of the reason behind Catholic Confession. It's easy enough to say "God knows what I did and that I'm sorry." But to bring oneself to admit out loud to another human being, even a (sort of) non-judgmental one, just how many hobos you have contemplated turning into leather coats helps keep one from pulling out that flaying knife. Usually. As much, anyway.

BTW, half-price sale on full-length leather coats.

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at July 21, 2016 08:44 PM (lIjxj)

415 >>>nother book I've heard good things about is "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz. It's not a diet book but more a history of how science and government got nutrition advice so wrong. I haven't read it myself but it has rave reviews at Amazon. You could probably learn a thing or two about nutrition just by reading the reviews.

https://tinyurl.com/jkag3fx

...

i'm alternating reading that and Taubes Good Calories Bad Calories, which is the same basic story. Not sure which is better.

right now i'm a taubes partisan because he kicked off this whole revolution -- at least as far as bringing it to public attention with his 2005 (?) article "What If It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?"

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 08:45 PM (dciA+)

416 I'm losing weight now that I've gone low-carb HIGH
FAT. that last part is important. You have to swap in fat to reduce
carbs while keeping protein normal. Swapping carbs to protein may result
in your body just switching to protein for fuel.
-----------

I saw an interview with Laird Hamilton, once and his diet was mostly fats, veggies, and protein.

He's in incredible shape.

Posted by: willy at July 21, 2016 08:45 PM (Ffw22)

417 I stopped lifting weights and running (too much stress/impact) recently

Been doing Yoga (DDP yoga specifically) and I love it. Gets the heartrate up fast and is exhausting on the muscles without using weights.

Great for balance and posture and flexibility.

Posted by: Jose at July 21, 2016 08:47 PM (pfX6+)

418 Ace, this is a good EconTalk podcast with Gary Taubes, they discuss the similarities between bad science in economics and public health.

http://goo.gl/yg3KQ

Posted by: Jose at July 21, 2016 08:51 PM (pfX6+)

419 Been doing Yoga (DDP yoga specifically) and I love it.



I've been thinking about trying adding that into my regimen. I'll look into further.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2016 08:52 PM (GUBah)

420 She stays thin eating babies.

Posted by: Huma at July 21, 2016 08:53 PM (pdPtK)

421 check out DDP's youtube page, some great stories on there, he's a cool guy, helps his wrestler buddies who got fat and could barely walk.

https://goo.gl/i91C0t

Posted by: Jose at July 21, 2016 08:54 PM (pfX6+)

422 419 Been doing Yoga (DDP yoga specifically) and I love it.

I've been thinking about trying adding that into my regimen. I'll look into further.
--------------

Yoga is good stuff. I used to think it was for wimps, but did it with p90x, found it's challenging, and a great way to stay fit.

Posted by: willy at July 21, 2016 08:55 PM (Ffw22)

423 Dang...ace us all sauce braggin and shit.

Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2016 08:56 PM (qUNWi)

424 Chi, as always my email is in my nic. I'd be grateful for any link you wanna send.

Oh, and I'll leave a glass setting out under my USB port, too. In case you want to send a bourbon attachment with that email.

Cheers!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2016 08:58 PM (v5iqM)

425 check out DDP's youtube page, some great stories on
there, he's a cool guy, helps his wrestler buddies who got fat and could
barely walk.



https://goo.gl/i91C0t

Posted by: Jose at July 21, 2016 08:54 PM (pfX6+)

What got me to thinking about it was the former paratrooper that got all fixed up by doing the DDP yoga. Sixteen years of service gave me similar ailments, just not nearly that bad. Then again, I wasn't Airborne and only spent about four years as a leg infantryman.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2016 08:59 PM (GUBah)

426 My daily. Bear in mind I do a lot of light construction for a living and am out in all kinds of weather.

A microwave sausage breakfast burrito and a can of Mountain Dew.

Quart of water

Lunch. Eaten at work. Often some form of dinner leftovers.

Chex mix. I prefer the heavy on garlic and Worcestershire sauce version.

Dinner. Broiled chicken or fish, sauteed veggies. Zuchinni and yellow squash and some chopped onions. Do it in a big pan with just a little olive oil, some black pepper, and some Lowry's seasoned salt. I'll do a pan of those and be good for a couple days.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at July 21, 2016 08:59 PM (SSiqh)

427 Congrats on your sidebar mention pasta

Posted by: Phone of kari at July 21, 2016 09:00 PM (nTl+J)

428 Lost six pounds in one week of intermittent fasting and without changing my diet. Looking to lose 30 pounds total or to get under 20% body fat.

Posted by: ustuplay at July 21, 2016 09:12 PM (olvG6)

429 Hershel Walker never lifted weights . All body weight workouts.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 06:50 PM (8yZ+3)


Bo Jackson didn't lift weights either. All awesome genes.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at July 21, 2016 09:14 PM (C9lNt)

430 Congrats on your sidebar mention pasta

His thinness was based on a loss of essence.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 09:15 PM (rwI+c)

431 I'm down to two and a half packs of Lucky Strikes and a liter of Jim Beam a day and I only drink a pint before breakfast.

Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2016 09:15 PM (6Xbsz)

432 My advice is stop weighing in as much. Try to separate weight from reaching your goals, which should to be look good and feel fit. If you are weightlifting you're going to reach a point where you no longer are losing weight.

That's good though, adding muscle mass is going to add weight. That muscle is going to make you look and feel better. Even if you put on more body fat your figure is going to look more "manly" and full.

Posted by: chris at July 21, 2016 09:19 PM (HeZeD)

433 Eat all you want but don't eat all the time.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 21, 2016 09:20 PM (ECJ+C)

434 I started intermittent fasting the night of that post and taking long walks, hikes really, in the last two hours of my fast. Lost 9 lbs so far and feel better, and more clear headed, than I have in a long time. Good on ya ace, for reals.

Posted by: Fellow American at July 21, 2016 09:21 PM (xQWR8)

435 Cool! An accountability group! I think i need a little nudge to stick with my health goals.

On the positive side, I really noticed my strength improvement last time I had to scramble up some rocks while hiking. This is improvement left over from the exercise regimen I abandoned last November.

Posted by: Emmie at July 21, 2016 09:23 PM (xVuS6)

436 Pastafarian, congratulations on making the sidebar!

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2016 09:31 PM (9mTYi)

437 The wife went on weight watchers, so of course I had to join. I started low frequency/high intensity lifting just to maintain lean body mass (I am 6'1" and started at 260lb). I've been averaging a solid 2-3lb/loss a week and actually more than maintaining muscle, progressing about 10%/week on the weight I can push across everything. Mostly doing legs and shoulder and back targeted stuff, no bench press (very little on arms in general, a few bicep curls) and mixing it up with a couple miles brisk walk (no running on my low calorie budget.. plus my knees are old) but adding in squats (I was afraid of injury too but practiced a few times then realized my gym has a cage that will help keep your form if you suck). Weight watchers is ok, but hard to get enough protein on points system unless you like shakes. I haven't started creatine yet, but done a lot of reading. Apparently the side effects (e.g. cramps) are from following the (bad) instructions - no reason to load since it'll saturate on the low dose after a week or two.

Posted by: m-zero-x at July 21, 2016 09:31 PM (rKuQq)

438 Great free app if no ones mentioned it.

MyFitnessPal

one my phone. I don't use half of it. Too much to list. Set your goals for carbs, fat protein, calories. You can barcode food into it, and get macro percentages to keep you on track.

Graphs your weight you enter each day and it gives you a "if all your meals were like this one you would weight...in 3 weeks."

You can track water intake and exercise and it give you calories burned.

I'm on a keto diet and this has helped me stay accountable. The macros are key to me for tracking fat against other percentages since its a high fat program. The articles they have are also informative.



Posted by: Guido at July 21, 2016 09:31 PM (tf/6I)

439 I have been doing the intermittent fasting while lifting weights and doing cardio. In a month I have lost at least 10 pounds. I don't weigh myself because that is a double edged sword.
I found out I had lost weight due to work forcing us to do "biometrics" testing to save money on our health insurance.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at July 21, 2016 09:32 PM (hVdx9)

440 My mind just blurred two comments together.

Intermittent masturbation as a weight loss strategy.

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2016 09:34 PM (oFSUK)

441 My awesome diet plan consists of

1: Get sick
2: Don't eat
3: Weight Loss!

(Disclaimer: Do not use/depend on this technique. Just...no, okay?)

Probably dropped 2-5 this week. Abscess. Tooth pulled today, on antibiotic course and root canal scheduled for next week.

Just...don't.

I'm not the healthiest person I know, but I'm far from the worst...

Posted by: Captain Comic at July 21, 2016 09:35 PM (fYW43)

442 432
My advice is stop weighing in as much. Try to separate weight from
reaching your goals, which should to be look good and feel fit. If you
are weightlifting you're going to reach a point where you no longer are
losing weight.



That's good though, adding muscle mass is going to add weight. That
muscle is going to make you look and feel better. Even if you put on
more body fat your figure is going to look more "manly" and full.





Posted by: chris at July 21, 2016 09:19 PM (HeZeD)
Plus having more muscle means your resting metabolism is increased. Double-edged sword though, you need to eat more to gain and keep the muscle. I need over 300 grams of protein a day and it's rough getting that much without supplements.

Posted by: AdamPM at July 21, 2016 09:37 PM (SXVyF)

443 I'm in! I'm down 35 lbs since the new year, but haven't lost much in the last three months. Current 5'7", 165.

Posted by: Timbo at July 21, 2016 09:39 PM (oz9K2)

444 I'm in, good post ace.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 21, 2016 09:39 PM (R5HRU)

445 Creatine is used by your muscles to make energy in the ATP cycle. It's functional and should in theory allow you to do an extra rep or two which indirectly should give you more muscle work
It sounds cliche but to keep it off it really has to be part of your everyday lifestyle. I've gone both extremes getting in best shape of my life followed by a 4 year lazy period where I did nothing and ended up in the worst shape of my life. Since december I'm back down 30 lbs and only about 15 to go to get back to top, sticking with staying active and making good food choices ( especially when you're out at a restaurant where it's harder to stay good and everything is a billion calories)

I also find it's a self feeding cycle, the more I stay active and work out the more I want to nake good choices everywhere else cause I dont want my hard work to go for nothing. So just stay active. It's gotten to where I had to take last 6 days off cause I pulled my neck muscles real bad, and in just 6 days I feel like I haven't gone in forever and I'm back to fat and lazy, though I know it's actually only been 6 days

Posted by: mst3k at July 21, 2016 09:40 PM (Z53PH)

446 Oh, and all you yoga supporters? Shame on you.

Cultural appropriation! Ignoring spiritual elements!

You should only call it advanced stretching.

Or pilates derivatives, or something...


Posted by: Captain Comic at July 21, 2016 09:42 PM (fYW43)

447 my eventual goal is to lift 4x a week and hit yoga 2-3.

Plus whatever sports I play.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at July 21, 2016 09:44 PM (R5HRU)

448 I don't know how much I weigh, but I am dropping pounds. Back in January, I weighed 195 lbs., which is a lot for me. I'm a small framed guy whose ideal weight is probably 170. If I had to guess, I'd put myself at 175 lbs. right now. I've got a little belly fat -- enough to keep me in 34"-waist jeans at 5'10".

The best choice I made along the way was to buy a George Foreman Grill for work. I eat a moderate amount of fat, low carbs, and almost no sweets, except on my Cheat Day. No soft drinks at all.

Also, I've done this while kicking cigarettes. I am using a vape, which has made it very, very easy for me. Since October 13, I haven't had a smoke. And I've gone from the 18ml nicotine juice to having it made by a local vape shop at .5ml. I'll be transitioning to zero when I finish my current bottle of juice, in a couple of weeks, or so.

I feel IMMENSELY better than I did at this time last year, and I can't see myself reverting back to my old ways. The fact is, I simply don't miss it.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at July 21, 2016 09:48 PM (Jd3Pb)

449 Don't worry about muscle definition. I started a program a while back that I called Sculptured Blubber; you just take what you can get and learn to love the more Rubinesque shapes that are so easy to maintain.

Posted by: javapoppa at July 21, 2016 09:56 PM (yapmr)

450 Grump928,

About the pizza? Want a sort of crust? Use a big portabella. You might want to bake the base first, a bit anyway. It takes a little longer too cook than the toppings. If fat isn't an issue, butter it well while baking. Then you can, pretty much, have a real-ish-er pizza. I did that before I was ever a dieter. Just sounded good and I'm not a baker.

Posted by: Doom at July 21, 2016 09:57 PM (4JtYT)

451 Neutral grip dumbbell bench will help you build the right form and prevent your shoulders from getting fucked.

Dumbbell rows will help you build up additional stability in your shoulder and back.

Machines are the way to go to target specific muscles but complex free weight lifts (e.g. squats, deadlifts) will do more to burn fat and build muscle than damn near anything else.

Posted by: Brw at July 21, 2016 09:58 PM (yZFBV)

452 In 2002, I was 305 pounds and using the diabetic exchange diet (similar to weight watchers) I got down to 215, and with various things I got up to 285. My Fitness Pal (recommended by my neurologist) got me down to 270 or so, and (despite being pretty religious about using it) my weight had been creeping up until I got to about 278 or so ten days ago

That's when I started not eating between 8PM and Noon, and it seems to be working. I weighed in at 273.8 this morning. Of course, it's only been a week and a half, but so far so good.

Posted by: Jonathan G at July 21, 2016 10:02 PM (jT9wB)

453 440
My mind just blurred two comments together.



Intermittent masturbation as a weight loss strategy.
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Tried it for years, doesn't work.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at July 21, 2016 10:08 PM (+O9YB)

454 I am trying to lose weight. I got up to 207 and worked down to 196 by eliminating sweets, softdrinks and sugar in my coffee.

2 weeks ago I stopped drinking beer and eating bread. I eat a good sized breakfast (2 eggs, 3 slices of bacon and home fries) a decent sized lunch (meat, vegetables and a fruit). For dinner about 8PM I only eat vegetables and 1 piece of fruit.

I dropped another 8 pounds in 2 weeks so Im down to 188 now. I need to drop about 25 or 30 more pounds to hit my ideal weight.

I have been exercising along with that.

Its not very scientific but it seems to be working for me.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 21, 2016 10:13 PM (cCxiu)

455 Count me (daily reader/lurker) in this!


Me, in summary: I was in the best shape of my life several years ago. Got into a great groove where I was doing 5-6 exercise classes a week at my gym. Everything from step aerobics to weights to kickboxing and boot camp. I love exercise. As long as I have the time, it's no problem. Weight and health-wise, everything was ideal. I had reached a point, where I would get hungry from all my workouts and I had to eat more or I would lose weight. This was fantastic!


Problems started with my current job. I leave for work at about 4 pm and get home at 1 am. When I get home, no matter what, I feel so hungry I could gnaw off my own arm. Invariably, I eat after work. I wake up around 10 a.m. I eat then. You see where this is going? I eat my first meal at 10 in the morning and I'm still hungry at 1 a.m. I don't give myself enough "fasting time" and slowly, but surely, the pounds are creeping on. My weight still looks normal, I think, to others, but I know the difference between where I was 5 years ago and now. And, frankly, now that I know what I'm capable of, the feeling I get when I come home from work and promptly inhale half a bag of pretzels is just bad.

Posted by: BethinPA at July 21, 2016 10:18 PM (TlEQw)

456 I have really been missing pizza. I'm going to try that portabella mushroom thing.

I substituted mustard for mayo and have been making sandwiches using lettuce for the bread so I have something to hold the meat on without getting mustard all over my hands. heh..

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 21, 2016 10:18 PM (cCxiu)

457 Dropped 30 pounds in about 2 months on a LCHF diet. Did that for like 6 months and plateaued. Started warrior style intermittent fasting 2 weeks ago ( thanks Ace) and have lost another 12 pounds and still haven't hit a new plateau. I thought I'd struggle more with the fasting, but it's become easier to go the full 24 hours. I'm only looking to lose another 10 pounds or so.

Posted by: Brenden at July 21, 2016 10:30 PM (Am63W)

458


Royal Canadian Air Force Exercise Plans for Physical Fitness:

by Royal Canadian Air Force (Author), Roger Duhamel (Introduction)

Posted by: plum at July 21, 2016 10:33 PM (vzZKT)

459 count me in. I've been trying to lose ten pounds for a while. I've just turned 61 this year and it's getting harder and harder to stay in shape.

Posted by: vivi at July 21, 2016 10:36 PM (11H2y)

460 Posted by: Doom at July 21, 2016 08:27 PM (4JtYT)

Hot damn - keep up the good work. That is inspiring! Tell the state to butt out and you'll keep your license, thank you very much.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 21, 2016 11:11 PM (SUtNI)

461 259 I use heavy cream in my second cup of coffee & after.
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:22 PM (7lVbc)

I did that for the first time today. Put some ice in a glass, whipped up some heavy cream and poured that in, then poured the cold coffee from the morning over that. No sweeteners. Wow! What a fantastic iced coffee. I have a new favorite thing!

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 21, 2016 11:12 PM (SUtNI)

462 I'm in.
Moron #462.

Paleo + running (with swimming and biking).

My friend Doug, a 63 year old semi-pro soccer goalie in MA said the words that have guided me:
"You gotta walk around faint for awhile."

Smoothie in the AM. Lots of stevia, juice, berries, protein powder, avocado and almond meal

Lunch is a tuna packet with grape tomatoes and some smokehouse almonds.

Basic (small portion) of meat and vegs

Cauliflower rice and pesto spaghetti squash are staples.

Oh, and lots of Peets coffee (my one and only vice)

As Einstein (?) said, "Nothing happens until something moves."
So move

Posted by: Chris Cassone at July 21, 2016 11:21 PM (wAf3/)

463 Started Weight Watchers a week ago. Already down a couple of pounds. Many more to go.

Posted by: Hamilton at July 21, 2016 11:31 PM (TlNDs)

464 #5

Dear Ace, my boobs are itchy. What gives?

Yeah, I know about that point you can't get past. Mine used to be around 185, now it's 165 thanks to paleo. I've held this for about two months through IF and semi-paleo (occasional sandwiches). But I need to be at 150. That's not an unrealistic goal. But how to get there?

Posted by: Miley's Tongue Depressor at July 22, 2016 12:00 AM (NTqvt)

465 I'm in on the Smaller Moron Diet Horde. Perhaps as to buy me some cred since I remain #NeverTrump. But let's not have that argument here.

Relevant bio: Atkins since March '15. Down probably 150 lbs. since then with probably 100ish more to go. I don't know because I didn't weigh myself when I started and haven't since. The number doesn't matter, and will only lead to me getting neurotic about it if it doesn't move. I can tell because I'm getting smaller, especially in my manboobs. Sweet Jesus, I can't wait until those fuckers are gone.

IF will be virtually impossible for me because I have a fairly physical job and I'm just straight-up hangry when I'm done. I also nosh on allowed goodies to stave off the urge to binge. Breakfast is a six-egg cheese omelette, lunch some nuts and cheese or a salad, and dinner is a big hunk of dead animal with veggies if I didn't have a salad that day. I supplement with fish oil, CoQ10, B, C and D3, and I'm intrigued by cinnamon thanks to this thread. I'm not sure if having an additional protein/creatine source would really be that helpful to me since I'm probably getting more than enough. I may need to top up on fat though. I can eat cream cheese by the brick.

I was lifting 3x weekly to start, then fell off, then reinvigorated it again after a breakup sent me to Angry Workout Mode, then fell back off when I lost one of my part-time jobs and needed to scrape every penny to make rent. (Seriously, one month I slid in at the end with 21 cents to my name.) Just joined back up and got another free T-shirt. I asked for a size smaller than what I usually wear. I figure I'll need it.

Posted by: @irishmikecomedy at July 22, 2016 01:11 AM (eFFhZ)

466 I've been doing the LCHF thing for about three years. One of the phases is when you lose the desire to eat apple fritters. It's really weird but a McDonalds apple pie means nothing to me now.

Posted by: Inflammable at July 22, 2016 01:23 AM (gOtn1)

467 Losing your manboobs? That's possible? OMG! I like mine!

Just teasing. I use falsies. *lying, again* :p

Posted by: Doom at July 22, 2016 02:14 AM (4JtYT)

468 Inflammable,

yes that is a really cool thing, when the craving goes away.

A friend had an apple fritter today. Right in front of me. Offered me a piece. No real interest.

It really does show that this has a large component of addiction to it. Don't get me wrong; highly refined flour and sugar will always be pleasurable. Had i eaten that fritter, it would have tasted good.

But the actual craving for them has an addiction component. And as with giving up cigarettes, once you've been off them long enough, you just don't really want them anymore.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:15 AM (dciA+)

469 >>>
Yeah, I know about that point you can't get past. Mine used to be around 185, now it's 165 thanks to paleo. I've held this for about two months through IF and semi-paleo (occasional sandwiches). But I need to be at 150. That's not an unrealistic goal. But how to get there?

i don't know. Like I said, I'm trying the fat fast (85-90% calories from fat for 3-4 days) to put my ketosis into overdrive. So far, it's not working, or these ketosticks are shot.

What everyone says, I think, is you just have to ride a plateau out. Your body will eventually give up the resistance, but it's a contest of wills. It doesn't want to get thinner and will try to break you. you just have to have the staying power until it gives up.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:18 AM (dciA+)

470 >>> I'm intrigued by cinnamon thanks to this thread.

it's a good stimulant and can be used to supplement coffee's stimulant effect, without causing jitters, because while they're both stimulants, they're different stimulants and don't seem to stack with each other in a way that produces jitteriness.

someone also seemed to strongly imply it helped with fat burning which I didn't know at all.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:20 AM (dciA+)

471 >>I've held this for about two months through IF and semi-paleo

oh, btw, doing a few days of 24 hour fasts does usually seem to move the needle.

(Or 23 hour fasts.)

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:21 AM (dciA+)

472 >>>I've been trying to lose ten pounds for a while. I've just turned 61 this year and it's getting harder and harder to stay in shape.

well 10 pounds is itself pretty easy, which is why all weight programs can make the 10 pounds or your money back guarantee. but of the first ten, five will be water pounds. but even the next five pounds of fat won't be too hard.

you're lucky; you really should be able to take care of this in two months, pretty easily.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:23 AM (dciA+)

473 >>>457 Dropped 30 pounds in about 2 months on a LCHF diet. Did that for like 6 months and plateaued. Started warrior style intermittent fasting 2 weeks ago ( thanks Ace) and have lost another 12 pounds and still haven't hit a new plateau. I thought I'd struggle more with the fasting, but it's become easier to go the full 24 hours. I'm only looking to lose another 10 pounds or so.

cool man. the warrior diet is sort of working for me, in the sense i'm always losing, but damn, it's a slow thing. I really hoped warrior would put me into overdrive but it's still coming slowly.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:24 AM (dciA+)

474 >>>I have really been missing pizza. I'm going to try that portabella mushroom thing.

one alternative is these low-carb tortillas most supermarkets sell. They're like six net carbs per tortilla and about the size of an individual size pizza.

put pizza sauce on that and mozzarella and bake for 8-9 minutes at 450 or 500 degrees and you have yourself a mini-pizza, with "bread" you can actually eat.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:26 AM (dciA+)

475 >>> Ok, count me in. I've tried the low carb thing for a while but can't stay on it. However, I started intermittent fasting after that AoS post and I've lost 6 pounds. At this point it's easier for me because it simplifies things and I only have to think about food once a day.

a lot of guys promoted that aspect, that it frees up your time from eating, which sounds weird and culty (if you don't eat food, you have more time to think about Zebulon the Redeemer!!!), but there's a lot of truth in it.

people don't actually need to eat as often as they've been trained to do and once you're used to it it's totally fine to just eat once or twice a day.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2016 02:48 AM (dciA+)

476 I'm in and have been on a self-improvement kick since early May. I weigh myself on the Nintendo Wii (which is also the main part of my exercise plan), and the scale is pretty generous, so the real numbers here are probably +5-10 pounds, but:

From about 248 pounds on May 3 to about 224 the day I left for the convention, or about 24 pounds in about 10 weeks. Not a sustainable rate but fun while it lasts.

The fasting stuff sounds scary.

Posted by: Knemon at July 22, 2016 02:54 AM (WMa3/)

477 With food, I haven't been counting calories, nor have I been doing full low carb, but I've been as I put it "trying not to eat like an asshole," so: fewer trips for seconds; a lot less bread/pasta, trying to be a bit hungry when I go to bed.

Beyond the Wii I've been walking every-goddamn-where, and lifting weights every few days (though my form is bad and I'm worried I'm going to hurt myself).

Posted by: Knemon at July 22, 2016 02:58 AM (WMa3/)

478 The I can fight through my real resistance point: My problem comes at 180 pounds. I want to be 170, or even 165. But when I hit 180 my body resists further weight loss. I can get to 178 but then I stop losing.*


Here's your problem. The scale. Without knowing your height I can't say for certain, but you're entering the realm of excellence, let's call it. You want to key in on other measures. Use a tape measure at this point. Forget the scale. Measure a few key areas and record them daily. Arms at widest point, if you're lifting weights. Waistline, of course. Chest at widest point. On the same chart, have a column for goal on each area. You're allowed to change the goals a little based on what you see in the mirror.

I read once that in clothing an 'athletic fit' is eleven inches difference between chest and waist. So, for example, 32 inch waist and 43 inch chest. Or 31 and 42. *That* should be your goal. Believe me, you hit that, and you'll look good and feel great and never want to return to flabby. The problem at that point is finding shirts that fit, because it's so rare that men reach that goal. It's achievable, I've done it. Most male models are in that range. It's a great feeling and easily achievable with minimum effort. Weight lifting, extra cardio, eating 'real' food with extra protein for the extra muscle.

By adding inches to chest measurement through weight lifting, or an inch or so to arms, you're packing on extra muscle. Heavy muscle. So the scale becomes an enemy.

Try it out. A piece of paper and a tape measure and three goals.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 22, 2016 05:26 AM (ZnIt3)

479 This method of body 'shaping' also works for women, by the way. The wife and I enjoy going to a resort in the carribean that is very centered around the water and wearing bathing suits for about eight hours a day. About three months before trip I set up a goal sheet for her based on classic hourglass look. She wasn't far off, but the final ten pounds was obvious. We keyed on waist and hip measurement with a little upper body.

Within days she could measure the results. She completely ignored the scale. By the time we got there she had hit two of the three goals exactly. If I recall the final numbers were something like 37-25-35. She felt great and looked fantastic.

The mind/body connection is pretty interesting.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 22, 2016 05:53 AM (ZnIt3)

480 If you want to try body weight workouts, this is the place to go:

http://darebee.com/

Posted by: Stonyman at July 22, 2016 07:21 AM (lx1HG)

481 What I like most about fasting is holding my hand up in the "stop" position and smugly saying, "No thank you! I'm fasting today."

Posted by: runninrebel at July 22, 2016 07:24 AM (9LYIb)

482 South Beach Diet? Yea or Nay?

Posted by: lions at July 22, 2016 10:07 AM (UPoDJ)

483 399
That's pretty much the diet I've been on for several years. I do love eating tasty critters but I do miss nature's most perfect food....pizza. I've gone from 305 to 187 .
Posted by: Psycholoco at July 21, 2016 08:32 PM (l70qg)

You area a friggin hero. Love it!

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 22, 2016 11:05 AM (SUtNI)

484 Posted by: Men's Temperance 20,000 Leagues under the Sea at July 21, 2016 08:40 PM (svFmG)

That's no joke on the benefits of quitting the booze. I have not (and probably won't bother to) bring it all to zero but I have substantially curbed it down to one glass per day with or after dinner and I feel absolutely fantastic.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 22, 2016 11:07 AM (SUtNI)

485 I'm making that sauceright now, as a matter of fact. It is so fucking good it's obnoxious.

Posted by: ace at July 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dciA+)

Pic or it didn't happen! Also, I might have to give this a whirl over the weekend.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 22, 2016 11:08 AM (SUtNI)

486 316 Another book I've heard good things about is "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz. It's not a diet book but more a history of how science and government got nutrition advice so wrong. I haven't read it myself but it has rave reviews at Amazon. You could probably learn a thing or two about nutrition just by reading the reviews.

https://tinyurl.com/jkag3fx
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

I watched the Nina Teicholz video that Ace posted on the first fitness thread a couple weeks ago and thought it was great. Lots of good info there but she is an awful lecturer. Obviously not comfortable with it. I hope that as she does more she will put together a better delivery. Loved the video anyway though. Just made so much sense. Loved how she went through the history of how we all came to be taught and believe that high carb low fat was the way to go in the first place.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 22, 2016 11:11 AM (SUtNI)

487 479 This method of body 'shaping' also works for women, by the way. The wife and I enjoy going to a resort in the carribean that is very centered around the water and wearing bathing suits for about eight hours a day. About three months before trip I set up a goal sheet for her based on classic hourglass look. She wasn't far off, but the final ten pounds was obvious. We keyed on waist and hip measurement with a little upper body.

Within days she could measure the results. She completely ignored the scale. By the time we got there she had hit two of the three goals exactly. If I recall the final numbers were something like 37-25-35. She felt great and looked fantastic.

The mind/body connection is pretty interesting.
Posted by: free range conservative at July 22, 2016 05:53 AM (ZnIt3)

You, sir, are a legend. You set specific fitness goals for your wife and lived to tell about it. Do you run seminars?

Posted by: Texas Zombie at July 22, 2016 11:27 AM (SUtNI)

488 Yeah, tracking is great.

I committed to a summer shape-up over memorial day when I took my kids to the pool and realized my usual "Dad bod" had blossomed into Full Bathing Suit Disgrace. Decided to make some lifestyle changes then and there.

I write down what I eat, track bodyfat (waist/wrist method -- Google it if you're curious, it's easy and better than nothing) and also track fitness through number of pushups, dips, pullups, and time to walk/jog/run a mile at roughly 75% of my maximum heart rate.

So far I'm down about 15 pounds. More in pure fat, though, as I've come back a bit in lean mass.

Posted by: Eric E. at July 22, 2016 11:35 AM (7b4Mw)

489 Where and how do we join this group? Just by commenting?

Posted by: Aliq at July 22, 2016 11:46 AM (pVYBP)

490 489 Where and how do we join this group? Just by commenting?

Posted by: Aliq at July 22, 2016 11:46 AM (pVYBP)

====================

I believe that's the idea -- kind of a virtual club -- and then continue to participate in Ace's proposed weekly Moron Health Club thread where people can post their goals and gains, their strategies and the
outcomes from them.

Posted by: ShainS at July 22, 2016 12:35 PM (a6Ff7)

491 I'm in. I've exercised my whole life - weights, cardio, dance, you name it. As I approach my 40th my metabolism has definitely slowed. I eat mostly Paleo, but cheat way more often than I should with sweets/chocolate. Fasting is very hard for me due to low blood sugar issues. Type 2 Diabetes is strong in my family.

I'm currently following a program called Lift Weights Faster by a woman named Jen Sinkler. She uses weights in place of cardio and it kicks my ass weekly. But I get quick results. Even quicker results if I don't eat like an asshole. I'd like to kick it all up a notch and love the moron support group idea! Thanks ace!

Posted by: shinypie at July 22, 2016 12:55 PM (Letpr)

492 Ace- I feel like your following me around and doing all of the same things as me. I'm an aspiring amateur survivalist who works from the house and reads Tim Ferriss and am on a low carb intermintant day fast Diet. One small difference, I only loose weight if I am training for something. If I'm not obsessed with something I'm pretty fuck worthless, not just with weight loss, with life in general. I use to run Marathons, I did six marathon in three years, and lost 30pds. All of that running sort of fucked up my knees. Post running I went from 169 to 185. So I started mountain climbing, with a goal of climbing Ben Nevis in Scotland, I got back down to 175 training for that climb. Post Ben Nevis and after quitting smoking, and relentlessly staring at various screens for a few years I got all the way up to 205. I also pretty much quit going outside when I started working at home. My son just started college in San Fransisco this summer. He has to be out of his dorm for 14 days in August, inspired by your discussions with Drew about outdoorsy stuff he and I are going to spend all that time backpacking in the Sierra mountains. This is way out of my comfort zone. It will either be a utopian spirit quest/once in a life time bonding experience, or a really uncomfortable two weeks of sleeping on the ground and shitting into holes I have to dig into said ground. This trip is my current excuse to loose weight. So far I've lost 12 pds. I've still got a few weeks. I'd like to get down to 175. I ordered all of the topographical maps of the area and am testing a lot of gear. I'm hoping my nearly 50 body is up to the task.

Posted by: Scott Coffee at July 22, 2016 02:20 PM (otLn5)

493 A great tool. Posted towards the end of the last Health thread. Thought I'd repost.

Great free app if no ones mentioned it.



MyFitnessPal



one my phone. I don't use half of it. Too much to list. Set your
goals for carbs, fat protein, calories. You can barcode food into it,
and get macro percentages to keep you on track.



Graphs your weight you enter each day and it gives you a "if all your meals were like this one you would weight...in 3 weeks."



You can track water intake and exercise and it give you calories burned.



I'm on a keto diet and this has helped me stay accountable. The
macros are key to me for tracking fat against other percentages since
its a high fat program. The articles they have are also informative.




Posted by: Guido also a great tool. at July 22, 2016 03:14 PM (tf/6I)

494 Love the Ketogenic diet. Easy for me as a fat and meat lover. Real butter, real cream cheese, real everything. Don't get cravings. Stay full after meals. 10 lbs. gone so far. feel great.

Also, to get enough fat we do Fat Bombs. Use The Google Machine for delish easy bombs.

Posted by: Guido at July 22, 2016 03:17 PM (tf/6I)

495 the only way to keep weight off is to make lifestyle changes, much more so re: diet than exercise. You need to get used to eating different things; you can eat enough to be full and maintain weight by making very little real sacrifice. You can still eat dessert, just a small one and not every day. You can still eat pizza, just eat a salad and 2 slices instead of 4 slices. Drink 1-2 light beers not 3-4 regular beers. Eat an Egg White Delight for breakfast instead of a big bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch and milk. Doing stuff like that you will keep weight off. I have kept 28 lbs. off doing this.

Posted by: andy at July 22, 2016 03:32 PM (JIDht)

496 I have a bet with a coworker for $200 for whoever loses the most weight by % by August 5. Started in January. He and I both figured out that is way too much time because we both started off fast and stopped because of the dreaded, "I have plenty of time" thoughts. I started doing the whole 30 and lost 15 lbs withing the first month. started at 241 down to 227. Went back and forth until July 5th and decided to start it again. Then saw the IF post and decided I would try that. June 30 I was 234. July 16 I was 225.

Posted by: Mike Hall at July 22, 2016 04:00 PM (yikhW)

497 Andy,

I actually plan to make intermittent fasting a regular thing, not a diet thing. Currently going one, then two days, fasting, with a four hour feeding window. Frees up a lot of day, food tastes much better than when grazing, controlling blood sugars, and weight. Will be adding exercise, walking to start, when up to it. Though I may, if I hit my goals, cut to single day fasting all around... not sure. But... it's not a "thing"... it's sort of life, now. Or, that is the plan.

But I agree, in general. Anything else is just a longer version of fast and feast, and that was killing me. Probably killing lots of people.

Posted by: Doom at July 22, 2016 06:07 PM (4JtYT)

498 Oh, but your notion of cutting bits out? That didn't work for me. I can't 'cut' well. I just can't. A little less here, a bite less there, will see me binging like a beast. I can't tease myself with food. I just don't think one shoe fits all feet is all. Rugby players versus soccer player, I guess.

Posted by: Doom at July 22, 2016 06:10 PM (4JtYT)

499 #495 Andy. Why egg WHITES?! Stop thinking like Michelle Obama and throw EXTRA yolks in there.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue Depressor at July 22, 2016 08:32 PM (NTqvt)

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