The Sunni-Shia Schism Ain't What It Used To Be [CBD]

The news that we have taken official action (writing their names on a list!) against some al-Qaeda thugs isn't news. Where they are operating shouldn't be news either, if any of us were actually paying attention to that mysterious motivating factor common in essentially all terrorist activity on earth.

U.S. Levies Terror Sanctions Against Iran-based al-Qaeda Leaders

Three senior al-Qaeda operatives landed on the Treasury Department's Specially Designated Global Terrorists list on July 20, joining the U.S. government's international who's-who of terrorist operatives. What's perplexing is that two of the three al-Qaeda figures aren't based in the stereotypical al-Qaeda hangouts of Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Yemen. Instead, they're hiding out in a country that's seen its relations with the U.S. and the broader international warm considerably in recent years: Iran.

Many people (including me) have understood the schism between Shia and Sunni Islam to be permanent. Oh, they hate us, but they spend a lot of energy killing each other because of differences of opinion as to who should have succeeded Mohammed when he died in 632. Yup...that's the big difference. The Sunnis wanted succession to be decided by selection, and the Shia faction wanted it to remain in Mohammed's family.

That fracture in Islam has prevented concerted action for much of the last 1,400 years, and that is a very good thing. But no less an authority on the fight against the West than some guy name Bin laden (a Wahhabi Sunni from Saudi Arabia) said not to attack Iran, in spite of it being the center of Shia Islam, because so much of his funding and support flowed through there. As he wrote:

I have some notes about your threats against Iran. I hope you and your brothers take this well. You did not consult with us in this dangerous matter that harms everyone's interests. We expect you would consult with us for these important matters, for as you are aware, Iran is our main artery for funds, personnel and communication, as well as for the matter of hostages. There is no need to open a front with Iran.

The point? Islam has huge internal issues, but the external enemy, The West, can unify them. Not all of the time, and with luck they will continue to kill each other. But Iran, which truly is the nexus of terrorism in the world, is willing to work with anyone who hates America and who will attack us. They have sublimated a 1,400 year old religious-cultural fight in furtherance of their goal to humble, and perhaps destroy America and the West.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 04:00 PM

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1 First?

Posted by: Fox2! at July 23, 2016 04:01 PM (brIR5)

2
Well, this is a surprise.

Posted by: Sunburned in Syracuse at July 23, 2016 04:02 PM (raQ6N)

3 You know, a decent president could take a sledgehammer and chisel to these fractures. Just sayin'...

Posted by: Jackal at July 23, 2016 04:03 PM (NiR1r)

4 Seven years after 9/11, Americans elected a president named Barack Hussein Obama. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Voting should be an earned privilege, not a right, and everybody who voted for him should be stripped of that privilege and never be allowed to vote ever again.

In a sane world.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 04:06 PM (sdi6R)

5 Yeah a few bright minds decided to jump into the middle if that.

Posted by: Skip at July 23, 2016 04:07 PM (bksJQ)

6

Well, this is a downer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2016 04:11 PM (qCMvj)

7 Sigh.

Posted by: The Goat at July 23, 2016 04:11 PM (Tyii7)

8 Good thing I'm not on Twitter, because it would be nonstop obscenities and invective until I was banned for life.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 04:12 PM (sdi6R)

9

Tossing this out here then going back to my Caturday.

I found this interesting in that it tried to pinpoint why McCain and Romney failed so miserably. (I know, I know.)

The Changing of the Guard in Cleveland: What a Difference Donald Trump Has Made

http://bit.ly/2akahpt

You can also see why there are Trumpers, Non-Trumpers, and inBetweeners.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2016 04:14 PM (qCMvj)

10 U.S. Levies Terror Sanctions Against Iran-based al-Qaeda Leaders

Does that mean we're moderating their Twitter accounts? Show 'em that tough love, Bammy!

Posted by: t-bird at July 23, 2016 04:15 PM (Z58Xa)

11 If we had actual smart people in DC they would spend about a billion a year making sure the Shia and Sunnis kept after each other instead of creating the TSA, Homeland, etc.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 23, 2016 04:19 PM (kX2mK)

12 This is all very true. Furthermore, the US under Bush and accelerated under Obama/Clinton have formed an axis with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood along with the UK and Europe.

The other faction is Russia, China, the Latin American countries, Iran, Syria, India, and Islamic secular countries with strong men in power.

Interesting times we live.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 23, 2016 04:20 PM (vQc5t)

13 Most Americans don't appreciate how dangerous Iran is. It's a 5000 year old empire built on Cyrus the Great's ambition to rule the world. As Shiites and importantly, non Arabs ( their Aryan folks) they will use the Arab street and Sunni radicals to do their bidding, no matter how distasteful they find these people. Time means nothing to them only results. Obama had no idea how far in over his head he was.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 04:20 PM (06U2p)

14 Sins of the Carter Administration are being returned to us in spades. Instead of assassinating Ayatollah Asshola Khomeini, he was allowed to return to Iran and replace the deposed Shah, whom Carter abandoned, and Old Jimmah let loose the fundamentalists of Iran onto the rest of the civilized world.

Jimmah also abandoned old man Somoza resulting in untold thousands dead in Central America in the 80's. Jimmah did this in the name of "human rights" which neither the weird beards in Iran or the Marxists in Nicaragua gave 2 rat farts about.

1979 was a red banner year for International Communism and terrorists the world over.

Thanks Jimmah! Hope you rot in hell when the time comes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 23, 2016 04:25 PM (ej1L0)

15 >>>>Instead, they're hiding out in a country that's seen its relations with
the U.S. and the broader international warm considerably in recent
years: Iran.<<<

.

Delusional to say the least. Must be catching.

Posted by: Javems at July 23, 2016 04:25 PM (yOqwj)

16 Prezdent ShitMidas and Lizard Bitch are on their side.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 23, 2016 04:27 PM (2Pzfn)

17
Comic Con stuff:

Justice League - Comic-Con Trailer

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE

Dotraki Aquaman wandered in from another movie. Gay Flash is very gay.

Wonder Woman - Comic-Con Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM

All earth-tones and killing Germans.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2016 04:28 PM (kdS6q)

18 9
I found this interesting in that it tried to pinpoint why McCain and Romney failed so miserably. (I know, I know.)

The Changing of the Guard in Cleveland: What a Difference Donald Trump Has Made

http://bit.ly/2akahpt

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2016 04:14 PM (qCMvj)

Wow, that's a good article.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 04:29 PM (sdi6R)

19 Thanks Jimmah! Hope you rot in hell when the time comes.

I'm keeping a seat warm for him. Heh.

Posted by: Beelzebub at July 23, 2016 04:29 PM (Tyii7)

20 Michael Ledeen has been expounding on stuff like this for about fifteen years. It's only new news if you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 23, 2016 04:29 PM (gvSC+)

21
Good thing I'm not on Twitter, because it would be nonstop obscenities and invective until I was banned for life.
Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 04:12 PM

You'd never be banned if you aimed your ire at "the right people."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 23, 2016 04:30 PM (IqV8l)

22 Artisinal at 9

Great article
Also reading the linked Rolling Stone article which is delicious in its teeth gnashing.

Posted by: @votermom at July 23, 2016 04:32 PM (7lVbc)

23 Crosspost:
NDH,

Read up on finding lost cats.
They can be gone a while, further away than you think,
hiding nearby, stuck in a garage, not coming out during the day or when you call loud, etc.

Good luck.

Posted by: DaveA at July 23, 2016 04:38 PM (8J/Te)

24 You can't deal mercifully with jihadis. It's like the Walking Dead trailer in the sidebar, the one where girl has the business end of a shotgun pointed in 'someone's' face. She suddenly reverses the shotgun and buttstrokes them in the face. Not something I would have done. No sir. You give them the full benefit of the 12 gauge.

Posted by: Eromero at July 23, 2016 04:39 PM (zLDYs)

25 I burn with shame that a pissant country like Iran is even a factor in our foreign policy, much less defeating our aims. The entire country barely has the GDP of Dallas-Fort Worth and almost all if it is earned by a commodity that must be shipped by tanker and exposed pipeline.

Never in history would the Great Powers have put up with this shit for even a year. And we've sucked ass for three decades.

Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at July 23, 2016 04:40 PM (rwI+c)

26 Iran is the nexus. The ME will not stabilize until we crush the Mullahs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at July 23, 2016 04:42 PM (rwI+c)

27 So you get on this Treasury Department's Specially Designated Global Terrorists list and what happens ? Now you qualify for grant money from the State Department ? Special Weapons Upgrade funding from BATF ? Invitations to a better grade of dinner & cocktail parties in DC ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_and_the_dogs at July 23, 2016 04:43 PM (gUoN4)

28 Sanctions?? Oh no. Not sanctions. What next - times out?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 23, 2016 04:46 PM (SRKgf)

29 The news that we have taken official action (writing their names on a list!)

I started that.

Posted by: Santa Claus at July 23, 2016 04:47 PM (SRKgf)

30 Sanctions?? Oh no. Not sanctions. What next - times out?

Posted by: Jay Guevara
****

Noogies.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at July 23, 2016 04:48 PM (hVdx9)

31 11 If we had actual smart people in DC they would spend about a billion a year making sure the Shia and Sunnis kept after each other instead of creating the TSA, Homeland, etc.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 23, 2016 04:19 PM (kX2mK)

Yep. AND ... we'd be working with the Russians to smoke as many jihadis as possible.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 23, 2016 04:49 PM (SRKgf)

32 I can sort of understand a desire, in the late 80's, not to drive Iran into alliance with the Soviets, but when the Soviet Union collapsed, Iran was ripe for the big straightening out. Likewise Cuba. Two big missed opportunities that I put squarely at the feet of George Herbert Walker Bush, possibly the biggest fuckup the Republicans have ever put into office.

Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at July 23, 2016 04:51 PM (rwI+c)

33 Moose limbs are our friends

Posted by: Horse face Kerry at July 23, 2016 04:51 PM (7lVbc)

34
"the Iranian regime which received at least $56 billion in sanctions relief as the result of the July 2015 nuclear deal"

Thank you Republican controlled Senate for all your hard work.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2016 04:54 PM (kdS6q)

35 The Muslim Brotherhood is ensconced throughout the Federal government.

The didn't get where they are by Constitutional means, and they can't be removed by Constitutional means.

But they need to be gotten rid of. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 04:56 PM (sdi6R)

36 11---yes 1000x

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 04:58 PM (mqyr1)

37 The only reason Carter won't go down as the worst of the lot for fucking the Shah is the current clown show in the White House, Of course if the hag wins she and her Muslim Brotherhood ally Kaine may be in the race.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 04:59 PM (06U2p)

38 But they need to be gotten rid of. Draw your own conclusions.

Sharpie Mo Sucks on the wall til they all leave the hostile workplace environment?

Posted by: DaveA at July 23, 2016 04:59 PM (8J/Te)

39 And when I get to heaven, I will personally ask Reagan what the hell he was thinking with the whole Bush thing.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 05:00 PM (06U2p)

40 This email leak thing is really blowing up. Big time.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 23, 2016 05:00 PM (4ErVI)

41 Always late.

Posted by: gNewt...don't like Ryan....better call Paul at July 23, 2016 05:00 PM (Si9ix)

42 Iran is the nexus. The ME will not stabilize until we crush the Mullahs.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at July 23, 2016 04:42 PM (rwI+c)

Absolutely correct Sir!......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 23, 2016 05:01 PM (ej1L0)

43 Newt has an interesting plan for isis - cut em off from the modern era. Basically, he wants to shut off every modern convenience, like electricity and gasoline, and give them the 8th century back.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 23, 2016 05:02 PM (U0lQa)

44 25 I burn with shame that a pissant country like Iran is even a factor in our foreign policy, much less defeating our aims. The entire country barely has the GDP of Dallas-Fort Worth and almost all if it is earned by a commodity that must be shipped by tanker and exposed pipeline.

Never in history would the Great Powers have put up with this shit for even a year. And we've sucked ass for three decades.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at July 23, 2016 04:40 PM (rwI+c)

Well said.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 23, 2016 05:02 PM (VdICR)

45
Thank you Republican controlled Senate for all your hard work.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2016 04:54 PM (kdS6q)

I still say Republicansin the Senatesold out the security of Americians on the Iran deal in exchange for Obama's support of the TPP which Democrats were against

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 23, 2016 05:03 PM (lKyWE)

46 Pretty classy of Mr. Trump to call the Cleveland Police Chief and thank him and his officers for a job well done.

Posted by: WeBoned! at July 23, 2016 05:05 PM (SOVQ8)

47
Oh, in other movienews. If you're wondering why nobody is mentioning the Girl Ghostbuster box office this weekend -- here's why.

65% drop from last Friday. Down to 5th place, just hovering above that fruity fish movie that was released a month ago.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2016 05:05 PM (kdS6q)

48 Maybe a bit off OT, but I have to say it.
Speaking of "divide and conquer", has anyone considered the possibility that Trump's talk about illegal immigration, walls and barring Muslims could --even if it never gets legislated--have the net effect of scaring the "good Muslims", as well as the non-criminal illegal Mexicans, straight?
In other words, fearing possible legal reprisals, the subjects of Trump's ire keep their mouths shut, their noses clean andstrive to set themselves apart from the criminal or terrorist element among their communities?

(Sorry for the awkward phrasing,but the AC stopped working and it's 99 degrees in here at the moment...just wanted to get this out)

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:06 PM (mqyr1)

49 If the Hag wins there will be no America as we know it.

Posted by: gNewt...don't like Ryan....better call Paul at July 23, 2016 05:08 PM (Si9ix)

50 If we were smart we'd be playing a nice game of lets you and him fight.

Hey Mohamed(Sunni), Achmed(Shia) said your mother is a rotten whore and your father has no dick.

Wha? I KEEL YOU!

Then stand back and watch the festivities. Most important, STAY THE HELL OUT IF IT.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 23, 2016 05:09 PM (kTF2Z)

51 Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 04:56 PM (sdi6R)
But do you think Trump would try to get rid of the MoBro? I have no idea. But we sure as hell had no say in their infestation of our government.

Posted by: F.N.G. at July 23, 2016 05:09 PM (kiSdp)

52 45
I still say Republicansin the Senatesold out the security of Americians on the Iran deal in exchange for Obama's support of the TPP which Democrats were against
Posted by: Flawless Male logic at July 23, 2016 05:03 PM (lKyWE)

It was earlier than that. In the 1990s Bill Clinton sold missile secrets to the Chinese Communists in exchange for illegal campaign contributions. That was straight-up treason, and he deserved the death penalty.

But the Republicans in Congress didn't want to go there. Instead, they impeached him over a stupid sex scandal.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 05:10 PM (sdi6R)

53
I still say Republicans in the Senate sold out the security of Americians on the Iran deal in exchange for Obama's support of the TPP which Democrats were against
Posted by: Flawless Male logic

That's just good government bi-partisan negotiation. Everybody wins something.

Perhaps not us. Our jobs are being crated up to be sent to Malaysia, and NORAD just picked up an Iranian ICBM hanging on Santa's bumper coming in over the Pole.

But "wins" in the broader sense.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2016 05:11 PM (kdS6q)

54 So, Obama's a Sunni, right? So that's where the US is headed.

Which sect will claim Germany?

Just wondering.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 05:11 PM (tvyXw)

55 48
(Sorry for the awkward phrasing,but the AC stopped working and it's 99 degrees in here at the moment...just wanted to get this out)
Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:06 PM (mqyr1)

Oh, no. That's my worst fear at the moment. I hope you get it back working again.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 05:13 PM (sdi6R)

56 "So, Obama's a Sunni, right? So that's where the US is headed."

Obama is an atheist but Islam is what makes up his his "faith tradition."

Posted by: Ripley at July 23, 2016 05:14 PM (1BQGO)

57 It ain't me ... It ain't me ...

I ain't no fortunate son.

All the old shit - seems like it's coming new again.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 23, 2016 05:15 PM (fiGNd)

58 33 Moose limbs are our friends
Posted by: Horse face Kerry at July 23, 2016 04:51 PM (7lVbc)

Correction: they're YOUR friends. And you work for one.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 23, 2016 05:15 PM (SRKgf)

59 Coming Soon to a neighborhood near you.

Posted by: TheTruth at July 23, 2016 05:16 PM (Av8i6)

60 43 Newt has an interesting plan for isis - cut em off from the modern era. Basically, he wants to shut off every modern convenience, like electricity and gasoline, and give them the 8th century back.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 23, 2016 05:02 PM (U0lQa)

And shut down their cell phones and Internet access. Lack of porn will bring them to their knees.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 23, 2016 05:18 PM (SRKgf)

61 as much as i liked reagan, he really let us down not bombing the goat humpers off the face of the earth. probably old man bush talked him out of it. the bush family should be in exile somewhere.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 23, 2016 05:18 PM (ucDmr)

62 Somebody should suggest banning the adherents of the religion of blood and terror from our country.

Somebody.

Posted by: Mortimer at July 23, 2016 05:19 PM (VnHnj)

63 By coincidence, I was just reading this:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z4bzoy7

The Arab Implosion and It's Consequences

Posted by: Epobirs at July 23, 2016 05:19 PM (IdCqF)

64
If we had actual smart people in DC

What an imagination you got.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 23, 2016 05:19 PM (SRKgf)

65 52: But the Republicans in Congress didn't want to go there. Instead, they impeached him over a stupid sex scandal.

Posted by: rickl
________

Ever since Eliot Spitzer's easy departure from Albany, I started to wonder if the stupid sex scandals are deliberate - you know, so they can leave office in "disgrace" instead of chains.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 23, 2016 05:20 PM (oRmVC)

66 everybody in d.c. right now are inbred suckers of cock. all of them.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 23, 2016 05:21 PM (ucDmr)

67 So Kaine is a pro abortion Catholic...makes perfect sense to me. And imagine if a conservative had been associated with the Jesuits - wouldn't get a warm welcome. Fucking MFM

Posted by: Junipero Serra at July 23, 2016 05:25 PM (06U2p)

68 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gpjp7nXAWk

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 05:27 PM (06U2p)

69 Ah, well. Got a family issue. This the place the pace to dice it out?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 23, 2016 05:31 PM (9ym/8)

70 07, in my opinion, and speaking as a Roman Catholic, having a believer on the ticket who is pro-abortion, negates the idea of bragging that there is a Catholic in the ticket.
But it won't matter to a lot of RC's because sadly, like many Jews, their true religion is the Democrat Party.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:33 PM (AWVTX)

71 "But it won't matter to a lot of RC's because sadly, like many Jews, their true religion is the Democrat Party."

I just wanted to add that to many of their people, they would sooner change their official religion than vote for a Republican.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:35 PM (AWVTX)

72
Kong: Skull Island - Comic-Con Trailer

www.youtube.com/watch?v=E591L_sxw-k

John Goodman and SLJ? That's surprise casting.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2016 05:36 PM (kdS6q)

73 As a Catholic, I was rather pissed when my pastor talked about not building walls but welcoming people in friendship or some bull like that..looked at my husband and we both rolled our eyes.

Posted by: IC at July 23, 2016 05:38 PM (KTFfX)

74 If we are a Suprt Power but we can't defeat ISIS, are we really a Super Poer?

Posted by: Chillin the most at July 23, 2016 05:38 PM (BI43k)

75 "But it won't matter to a lot of RC's because sadly, like many Jews, their true religion is the Democrat Party."

I just wanted to add that to many of their people, they would sooner change their official religion than vote for a Republican
-----

Unfortunately, as a Catholic, I have to agree.

I think a lot of Catholics just fall back on the Catholics want to help people and Democrats want to help people so it's best to be a Democrat.

If they really thought about it (which most people won't do) they'd realize that the Democrats have done quite a bit to aid poverty in this nation.

Also... abortion? Hello Catholics, Democrats are the All Abortion All The Time Party.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 05:38 PM (tvyXw)

76 Big deal, so Kaine speaks fluent Spanish. CNN thinks it's just great, and adds that he wants "an inclusive country."
What the fuck does that mean? We're not "inclusive" already?

I hope the fact that he speaks Spanish so fluently costs him more votes than it gets him....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:38 PM (AWVTX)

77 Sorry for the typos

Posted by: Chillin the most at July 23, 2016 05:39 PM (BI43k)

78 khamenei has recently called for all muslims to unite against the u.s. and israel. he specifically meant shia and sunni to drop their conflict.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 23, 2016 05:39 PM (WTSFk)

79 74
If we are a Suprt Power but we can't defeat ISIS, are we really a Super Power?
---

Everyone in the World knows that the "Adults are in Charge" at the White House, and that Obama and his people are "The Smartest in the World."

How has that worked out for us?

Maybe we could go full on Idiocracy and put someone of "average" intelligence in charge who is not a limousine liberal to see what happens.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 05:40 PM (tvyXw)

80 ... so they can wage common war against these two enemies.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 23, 2016 05:40 PM (WTSFk)

81 ... israel and the u.s.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 23, 2016 05:41 PM (WTSFk)

82 78
khamenei has recently called for all muslims to unite against the u.s.
and israel. he specifically meant shia and sunni to drop their conflict.
----
See? Our lord Obama is a uniter!

Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at July 23, 2016 05:41 PM (tvyXw)

83 Looking at some photos of Venezuelans looking for food and being held back by the army.

Yet, they keep on going...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 23, 2016 05:41 PM (iQIUe)

84 he made this call in the last couple of months i think.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 23, 2016 05:42 PM (WTSFk)

85 77, I agree with you and I know most of them don't think it through. They just identify with the Democrat Party. It's a lifestyle choice like their favorite designer sheets or clothes. The Democrats are for "the working man" and "the little guy" and all that bullshit.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:42 PM (AWVTX)

86 so what if kaine speaks fluent spanish. can he speak fluent gibberish like sherriff joe? i don't think so.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 23, 2016 05:44 PM (ucDmr)

87 I don't feel sorry for 1 second about Venezuelans, watch what you wish for.

Posted by: Skip at July 23, 2016 05:45 PM (bksJQ)

88
Everyone in the World knows that the "Adults are in Charge" at the White House, and that Obama and his people are "The Smartest in the World."

From MSN via the Guardian :

Hillary Clinton's choice of Tim Kaine shows she's the grown-up in this contest

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 23, 2016 05:45 PM (IqV8l)

89 So, Obama's a Sunni, right? So that's where the US is headed.

Which sect will claim Germany?

Just wondering.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 05:11 PM (tvyXw)
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Pretty sure BHO is an atheist, but culturally Sunni. Interesting is that Jarrett is Iranian. However, both are probably involved in some offshoot 'black liberation' Islam so they can belong to the Muslim Brotherhood to assuage the minders assigned to political figures. Is Huma Abedin Sunni or Shia?

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 23, 2016 05:49 PM (MIKMs)

90 A Moron just did the sweetest thing in the whole wide world
for me and gave me one of the best gifts I have ever received. I have to embarrass him here bc it really was that sweet.

Thank you so, so much, Beckoning Chasm.

Posted by: L, Elle at July 23, 2016 05:50 PM (6IPEM)

91 Hello Catholics, Democrats are the All Abortion All The Time Party.

What if St. Peter has a big button labelled Democrat-Voter linked to trapdoors for when the line gets long at the pearly gates?

Posted by: DaveA at July 23, 2016 05:50 PM (8J/Te)

92 "Hillary Clinton's choice of Tim Kaine shows she's the grown-up in this contest"

Get used to it.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:51 PM (AWVTX)

93 Hillary Clinton's choice of Tim Kaine shows she's the grown-up in this contest

He's Nasty Granny Killbot's designated driver?

Posted by: derit at July 23, 2016 05:51 PM (ewfUZ)

94 So Kaine speaks Spanish. Big deal. Can he fend off a kraken with a nine iron? Yeah, didn't think so.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 23, 2016 05:51 PM (kTF2Z)

95 >>>60 And shut down their cell phones and Internet access. Lack of porn will bring them to their knees.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 23, 2016 05:18 PM (SRKgf)

Well, half of them at least.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 23, 2016 05:51 PM (+b2T3)

96 Posted by: Skip at July 23, 2016 05:45 PM (bksJQ)

Well sure the 58% or whatever who voted for Chavez but the 40% who knew better are suffering along with those who voted against the principle of "thou shall not covet" Well I suppose some of the ones who knew their history very well left while they still could.

Posted by: PaleRider at July 23, 2016 05:52 PM (wYRTH)

97 87 I don't feel sorry for 1 second about Venezuelans, watch what you wish for.
Posted by: Skip at July 23, 2016 05:45 PM (bksJQ)
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Well you should. The kids didnt vote for that crap. And the opposition didnt either. The oppo candidates are always getting arrested and thrown in prison but they havent given up and are making headway. Unfortunately, the commies control the army.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 23, 2016 05:56 PM (iQIUe)

98 95, unfortunately that would also bring about half of the morons here to their knees.
Especially the part about the pron...

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 05:58 PM (cui1Q)

99 nood chess/open

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 23, 2016 05:58 PM (tEhtH)

100 From MSN via the Guardian :

Hillary Clinton's choice of Tim Kaine shows she's the grown-up in this contest
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How to identify an uber liberal (since most are liberal) in the UK:

"So, do you read The Guardian? "

/sigh. I have always loved an English accent, but they're batsh*t crazy liberal.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 06:01 PM (tvyXw)

101 Hillary Clinton's choice of Tim Kaine shows she's the grown-up in this contest. Yep she wears the Depends in this relationship.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 06:01 PM (06U2p)

102 New Democratic strategy:

"Obama is your Daddy, now it's time to elect a Mommy. Because we all NEED Mommy Hillary."

/think I'm joking?

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 06:02 PM (tvyXw)

103 Huma is a Sunni, likely Wahhabi given her ties to KSA. Wiener was either the most hapless or most devious cover ever by the way.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 06:03 PM (06U2p)

104 @97 Bruce

I've been an expat for quite awhile in Europe with international companies. I have met my share of Venezuelans over the years and you're right.. a large minorty wanted nothing to do with it. Anyone with an education or money fled that "workers paradise" and most would like to return once the "chavos" die off or are finally overthrown.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at July 23, 2016 06:04 PM (GcTQ1)

105 New Democratic strategy:
"Obama is your Daddy, now it's time to elect a Mommy. Because we all NEED Mommy Hillary."
/think I'm joking?

I wouldn't complain if she decided to be just like Mama Basura (RIP)?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 23, 2016 06:04 PM (T/cxb)

106 @100 shibumi

The island monkeys (Brits) are a messed up lot. Half believe the moon landings never happened and still think the NHS is fantastic.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at July 23, 2016 06:08 PM (GcTQ1)

107 It came to me why Trump went after Megyn Kelly. Brilliant move.

That way Trump insured he was always interviewed by Kelly instead of Greta Von Sustraint.

Megyn is more photogenic and would be easier to out maneuver.

Posted by: Ok at July 23, 2016 06:08 PM (CRXed)

108 The Guardian might as well put the hammer and sickle on their masthead. They have always been communists.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at July 23, 2016 06:10 PM (RSDoa)

109
as much as i liked reagan, he really let us down not bombing the goat humpers off the face of the earth. probably old man bush talked him out of it. the bush family should be in exile somewhere.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 23, 2016 05:18 PM (ucDmr)
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I've heard tell that Reagan was a Cold Warrior who didn't know from the Islamist threat. Little did he know, that attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon was the first volley in Islam's war on the West. He didn't know what it was, disgracefully and confusedly withdrew without exacting retribution. What was our mission there anyway?

Posted by: iforgot at July 23, 2016 06:13 PM (5o5ek)

110
The Changing of the Guard in Cleveland: What a Difference Donald Trump Has Made

http://bit.ly/2akahpt

You can also see why there are Trumpers, Non-Trumpers, and inBetweeners.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2016 04:14 PM (qCMvj)
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>>no George P. Bush

Thank thank thank merciful God that princeling was absent. He'd have been doing the Ivanka speech if Jeb! had gotten the nomination. Oh I'm so thankful to my fellow Republicans for denying the Heir Apparent his second date with Hillary.

Texans -- TEXANS -- are the ones keeping that dynasty alive. George P. will be Governor of Texas someday, and he'll run for prez. I'm glad the dynasty was dealt a setback in 2016.

Posted by: iforgot at July 23, 2016 06:23 PM (5o5ek)

111 frankly, didn't miss Romney or any member of the Bush family during the convention.

Posted by: IC at July 23, 2016 06:25 PM (KTFfX)

112 "Texans -- TEXANS -- are the ones keeping that dynasty alive. George P. will be Governor of Texas someday, and he'll run for prez. I'm glad the dynasty was dealt a setback in 2016."

I think you're right and ruing the day.

No. More. Bush.

I mean, you know.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 23, 2016 06:29 PM (9ym/8)

113 Just took the grilled pork chops off the fire.

Don't hate me because I smell like a grill.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at July 23, 2016 06:31 PM (vvsvX)

114 Sock off

Posted by: @votermom at July 23, 2016 06:32 PM (7lVbc)

115 Oh, yeah, I forgot that the Bushes, McCain, Romney, and Kasich weren't there. Didn't miss them. And that's not snark. I really forgot about them.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 23, 2016 06:32 PM (kTF2Z)

116 Mmmmmm.....

Pork chops.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 23, 2016 06:33 PM (9ym/8)

117 116 Mmmmmm.....

Pork chops.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 23, 2016 06:33 PM (9ym/

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What? Where?

Posted by: Michael Moore. at July 23, 2016 06:34 PM (kTF2Z)

118 I'll see your pork chops, RK, and raise you a tray of beef enchiladas. Enchilada is Spanish good eats.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 23, 2016 06:37 PM (kTF2Z)

119 115, to the extent that Trump has a *chance* to attract a few Democrats/non-voters, it's probably good that he isn't seen with them.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 23, 2016 06:38 PM (cui1Q)

120 As I see it Obama's only real job was to cut a deal with Iran. No one wants to go down in history as the greatest mass murderer ever. The Iranians are intractable. I've dealt with many, they will not hold to a deal. Obama was their last chance. Average grunts in the gulf wars called Iran "Lake America" (glass lake). It's coming as soon as the blame can be laid at the feet of a lot of people with no one directly responsible.

Posted by: Jack Hagan at July 23, 2016 06:39 PM (t1bby)

121 Soooooooo, then, the enemy of my enemy is my enemy?

Posted by: CitizenX at July 23, 2016 06:44 PM (mvyKt)

122 121? Me?

Posted by: Jack Hagan at July 23, 2016 06:49 PM (t1bby)

123 63
By coincidence, I was just reading this:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/z4bzoy7
The Arab Implosion and It's Consequences

Posted by: Epobirs at July 23, 2016 05:19 PM (IdCqF)
------------Pretty thought provoking read Epobirs

Posted by: Old Blue at July 23, 2016 06:55 PM (9iR5/)

124 Shia and Sunni together again?

The enemy of my enemy (the West) is my friend.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 23, 2016 07:05 PM (4+VII)

125 Who knew that a moderate Republican could garner support from Dems and Independents? What is different now?

He says that he will build a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it.

He says that there should be a moratorium on allowing Muslims to come here.

He says that our trade deals suck.

He says that Hillary is a crook.

And since he is not a career politician, he is given the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 23, 2016 07:09 PM (4+VII)

126 So "I forgot" picking on Reagan and Texas in one thread? Forgive Reagan as he had to sort the godless commits first...he would have gotten around to Mo and crew. And W was a helluva governor if for nothing else that he gave us Perry and a Republican legislature. In others words, lighten up Francis.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 07:10 PM (06U2p)

127 Commits - Commies, sorry or godless heathen rooskies if you prefer

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 23, 2016 07:11 PM (06U2p)

128 It's "perplexing"? To who? Tooth Fairy fans? We see radical feminists, gay rights extremists and fundamentalist Islamists work together in the West.

If they can, Sunnis and Shias can.

We give Iran 56 Billion so far. And put two al Qaeda fundraisers on the Naughty List? For what--for taking Obama's Welfare for Terrorists? Ted Cruz was right: Obama's the best fundraiser they've got. The best.

The Sunni/Shia split ain't what it used to be--and neither is the Democrat/Shia split.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 23, 2016 07:16 PM (Ndje9)

129 The island monkeys (Brits) are a messed up lot. Half believe the moon
landings never happened and still think the NHS is fantastic.
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They live on an island, and thus have limited breeding choices.

So... lots of inbreeding over the decades.

That's why their teeth no longer look/function as teeth.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at July 23, 2016 07:20 PM (tvyXw)

130 112
No. More. Bush.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 23, 2016 06:29 PM (9ym/

Well I'm a shag carpet man myself, but I know what you mean.

Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2016 07:34 PM (sdi6R)

131 Evil man the media tells me...http://tinyurl.com/zfnl65r

Posted by: WeBoned! at July 23, 2016 07:40 PM (SOVQ8)

132 In which I say "well fucking duh."

AQ in Iran has always been a thing. If Kerry and company are just figuring it out, well, really, how much worse could a Trump administration be?

Posted by: blaster at July 23, 2016 07:43 PM (GOoUs)

133 #109 "...that attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon was the first volley in Islam's war on the West. He didn't know what it was, disgracefully and confusedly withdrew without exacting retribution. What was our mission there anyway?"

It was an ill-conceived peacekeeping mission. SecDef Cap Weinberger thwarted our response. Iran, again, was the culprit.

However, I locate the first (modern) volley with the PLO's Sirhan Sirhasn assassinating Bobby Kennedy. That's why Bill Ayers dedicated his first book to Sirhan.

His first book before "Audacity of Hope", I mean.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 23, 2016 07:56 PM (Ndje9)

134 Well by all means let's not forget our giving billions to the most radical rightwing Islamists to fight left wing Rusdians for us
And removing the most powerful secular leader Saddam that was a big boost too
Can't recall the PLO being big on that Allah Akbar stuff thought they were more commie like

Posted by: Him at July 23, 2016 09:09 PM (bJmbC)

135 Norman Doidge: "The list of distinguished fighters of terrorism and tyranny who nonetheless have found themselves overriding their principles to let Arafat go rather than bringing him to justice is remarkable. Ronald Reagan brooked no compromise with the "evil empire," and bombed Muammar Qaddafi's home, nearly killing him. Yet in the 1980s, President Reagan pressured Menachem Begin to let Arafat and his fighters go free when the Israeli army had them cornered in West Beirut. Begin, who had made a career of resisting liberal democracies when they offered Israel bad advice, succumbed."...

"Richard is the most systematically evil character in all of Shakespeare's plays. "I can smile, and murder while I smile," he says, swearing that he will outdo all the villains of history "and set the murderous Machiavel to school." The most important thing Richard knows is that while conscience allows us to understand ordinary crimes, it actually blinds us before the most extraordinary ones. The idea that conscience blinds us, making us less able to oppose evil's most brazen forms, is deeply disturbing, for conscience is the sine qua non of civil society.

Conscience is supposed to be the faculty that helps us become aware of our effects on others and our motives towards them, notably our baser motives. ...But conscience, designed to ferret out evil within, can also actually narrow our awareness of evil. This happens, according to Freud, because the person with a conscience learns to repress automatically his own most destructive inclinations so as not to act on them. He becomes ignorant, for example, of the thrill of evil that a sadist like Richard III feels when he plays God and exercises the freedom to kill whomever he pleases. But the cost of repressing one's most destructive feelings is an inability to understand, without significant effort, those who give these feelings free rein." ...

"Arafat gets endless second chances because the conscience of the West is doing what a conscience does: second-guessing the West's own actions. That is why Arafat is always playing upon the conscience of the West, especially by his endless recourse to "international law" and invocation of "human rights," an utterly brazen ploy coming from a terrorist."

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 24, 2016 12:38 AM (Ndje9)

136 It would seem that this simmering rift within Islam is something a first world power ought to be able to exploit, were it so inclined.

Posted by: holygoat at July 24, 2016 01:19 AM (DbBV5)

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