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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (27m1/)

2 Yay

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (qCMvj)

3 1st?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (3C84c)

4 Doh! I'll get the others.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (3C84c)

5 Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (3C84c)

6 TX Voter ID law rejected by 5th Circuit

Ridiculous.

What gov agency doesn't have picture ID?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (qCMvj)

7
5th Circuit Court to Black Americans:

"You're Sub Human."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:46 AM (27m1/)

8
Boy, did we ever nominate the wrong guy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:47 AM (27m1/)

9 Cafe where cop had glass in his sammich is closed

good

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:47 AM (qCMvj)

10 TX Voter ID law rejected by 5th Circuit

what would the libs say if they wanted to use some new "cool" "sciency" bio gadget instead?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:48 AM (qCMvj)

11 Cruz didn't make any friends last night.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 07:49 AM (U+nHb)

12 Glass in sammich. Nothing intentional. Yet restaurant is shut down.

Yeah right.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:49 AM (3C84c)

13
If debt is so good for the economy why do we need taxes? Why not just print all the money you need, Uncle Sugar, and have fun?

Rhetorical.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:49 AM (27m1/)

14 Not Intentional?

I must be the racisty racist of all racists. I just don't believe it.

I will not denounce myself.

I am comfortable with my racism.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 07:50 AM (WVsWD)

15 11 Cruz didn't make any friends last night.
Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 07:49 AM (U+nHb)

With friends like those, he doesn't need enemies. I loathe Trump because I have no other alternative.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:50 AM (27m1/)

16 What gov agency doesn't have picture ID?

1. Attempt to buy gun legally.
2. Refuse to show ID.
3. Get denied.
4. Sue all the way to Supreme Court using this case as guide.
5. ??

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:51 AM (3C84c)

17 "TFG wants to make it easier to discharge student debt "

Translated - TFG wants to soak the US taxpayer yet again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:51 AM (27m1/)

18

A terror attack against the police in Australia was thwarted a little while ago.

Would have been bad. Car in carport at police station.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sydney-police-station-terror-attack-8462477

Sydney police station 'terror attack': Man 'drives car filled with gas cylinders into underground car park'

He ended up setting himself on fire. Probably wanted to ignite the car as well as himself.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:52 AM (qCMvj)

19 Cruz is what I thought he was

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 07:52 AM (TaJ8L)

20 JONESVILLE FIRES POLICE CHIEF FOR TELLING TRUTH!

News at 11. Now a word from our sponsor....Ron Popiel's Pocket Fisherman......

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (WVsWD)

21 16 What gov agency doesn't have picture ID?

1. Attempt to buy gun legally.
2. Refuse to show ID.
3. Get denied.
4. Sue all the way to Supreme Court using this case as guide.
5. ??
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:51 AM (3C84c)

5. Lose. Actually, have SCOTUS not even deign to hear your case, plebe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (27m1/)

22 Clinton VP Contender Won't Be Punished, Said He Didn't 'Intend' To Break Federal Law

The White House on Tuesday announced they would not seek to punish Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary Julian Castro, despite knowing he broke the law.

The next time I get pulled over for speeding I'll tell the cop I didn't intend on speeding

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (GILMl)

23 Cruz did himself no favors last night and probably harmed himself immeasurably.

Bottom line is he signed a pledge to supprt the nominee.

Trump gave him a pretty plumb speaking spot

And his little stunt took all of the attention off of the main speaker of the evening, Mike Pence, and made Cruz the story everyone is talking about.

Pretty dissapointed in Cruz.

And it was so uneccesary.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

24 Democrat TX judge thinks because Scalia is dead he can get one by so Democrats can reengage voter fraud. .

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (mpXpK)

25 19 Cruz is what I thought he was
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 07:52 AM (TaJ8L)

I agree. Although we might have different opinions on "was."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (27m1/)

26 5. ??
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:51 AM (3C84c)

*****

....lower court ruling stands because Scalia.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (YLidQ)

27 A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.

Liberal tears replenish my soul.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 07:54 AM (ZnIt3)

28
Laura Ingraham offered her slot last night to Katsh*t. I did not know this. Glad he refused.

Her speech was one of the best of the night.

Cruz's was great, sans the one line at the end. Otherwise, strong conservative speech.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:54 AM (qCMvj)

29 Howdy, do.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 07:54 AM (Tw/PN)

30 Darn.

No pics of the terrorist on fire.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (WVsWD)

31 Democrat TX judge thinks because Scalia is dead he can get one by so Democrats can reengage voter fraud. .
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (mpXpK)

Scalia's death was one of the worst happenings of the last 50 years

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (zp+j1)

32 I think I'll stop contributing to my 401K so I can increase my ammo budget.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (97XyN)

33 >>>>If debt is so good for the economy why do we need taxes? Why not just print all the money you need, Uncle Sugar, and have fun?

Rhetorical.
.
.
.
.Pelosi used that same argument when the Dems passed the first 99 months extended unemployment bill. She claimed that $1 in Federal Government spending generated $2 dollars in spending for the economy. No one asked her how that magical thing could actually occur.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (iONHu)

34

So I woke up this morning
all circuits are dead
the echo of kabuki theater
ringing in my head

http://www.artelino.com/articles/shamisen.asp

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (aC1io)

35

The violent Left, who get away with murder.

Video-Protester: I'd 'Cut Off Donald Trump's Head!,' 'I'd Cut His F--king Goddamned Head Off!'

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/video-protester-id-cut-donald-trumps-head-id-cut-his-f-king-goddamned-head

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (qCMvj)

36 9
Cafe where cop had glass in his sammich is closed

good

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:47 AM (qCMvj)

I am not holding my breath waiting for that cafe owner to be charged under federal law for food adulteration.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (mpXpK)

37 Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

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This, exactly.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (U+nHb)

38 A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.

Liberal tears replenish my soul.

The salty tears are great on popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:56 AM (3C84c)

39 I haven't been watching the RNC just because I am not particularly into speeches.

Sounds like I missed some drama.

Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:57 AM (7lVbc)

40 Cruz's was great, sans the one line at the end. Otherwise, strong conservative speech.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:54 AM (qCMvj)

yes, but NOBODY will remember any of that and that is a Ted Cruz self inflicted wound

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 07:57 AM (zp+j1)

41 You say Iran has continued to "stoke tensions in the region?"

Why, who could have possibly predicted that?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2016 07:57 AM (EZebt)

42 Ingraham was amazing last night.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 07:58 AM (U+nHb)

43 Cruz showed what a petulant asshole he is last night. I'm sorry I voted for him.

I detest Trump as much as anyone.. but Cruz certainly doesn't seem to care that Hillary will likely be our next Prez.. probably even hopes for it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 21, 2016 07:58 AM (UpGcq)

44 I detest Trump as much as anyone.. but Cruz certainly doesn't seem to care that Hillary will likely be our next Prez.. probably even hopes for it.

He still has his job and is exempt from most laws they pass.
What's to care about?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 07:59 AM (3C84c)

45 Pretty dissapointed in Cruz.

And it was so uneccesary.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

Cruz's speech was one of the best of the night. Very conservative. If he had wordsmithed the last line a bit different, the response would be so different today.

I also partly blame some of the crowd. They could have politely clapped and moved on too. Mob mentality.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!

Trump knew, then upstaged him by showing up at the end to turn the cameras off of Cruz. What a show.

and then,

Ted Cruz Denied Entry Into Sheldon Adelson's Suite Following RNC Speech

haha

http://bit.ly/29QNdJu

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:59 AM (qCMvj)

46 I like Ted,
But sometimes he's a bone head.

An x-ray of his foot would probably show half a dozen self inflicted bullet holes right now.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 08:00 AM (ZnIt3)

47 He still has his job

For now.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2016 08:00 AM (Mt8T4)

48 23. Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

Let's see.

Have someone smear your wife and personally attack her.
Accuse your father of being the guy on the Grassy Knoll.
Impugn your character, on an hourly basis.
Mock your deeply held religious convictions.

And do all this without having the guts to have an honest, substantive critique on the issues. And at the very end, not have the decency to apologize - not even have the horse sense to even FAKE an apology.

And you're disappointed that Cruz didn't apologize?

Like I said, we have a low-life vulgarian who is our nominee, now surrounded by ex-Ford and Dole operatives and working closely with Rancid Pubis and McConnell.

I loathe and despise Donald Trump, not necessarily for that, but because I have no choice.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:00 AM (27m1/)

49 48 Not apologize, endorse.

I'm pretty steamed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:01 AM (27m1/)

50 yes, but NOBODY will remember any of that and that is a Ted Cruz self inflicted wound
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 07:57 AM (zp+j1)

I know, it was dumb. Really bad political calculation.

I think he underestimated the environment. You see Walker cheering him on in the crowd, and so forth, but, he shot himself in the foot in the end. He could have ended it strong.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (qCMvj)

51 Accuse your father of being the guy on the Grassy Knoll.
========================================

Do you have any proof that he wasn't? Hmm?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (dFi94)

52 J.J., Cruz didn't have to speak at all. If he's not supporting Trump he needs to get out of the way.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (U+nHb)

53

*not Walker, Mike Lee

"WE LOVE YOU TED!" -- Watch Mike Lee CHEER TED CRUZ ON during his epic speech!

Read more: http://therightscoop.com/#ixzz4F2mp4g00

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (qCMvj)

54 Hopefully that student debt bailout won't happen. I'd prefer the idiots to feel the pain of their mistakes. It'd be a good lesson for them.

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (SKk/g)

55 40 Cruz's was great, sans the one line at the end. Otherwise, strong conservative speech.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:54 AM (qCMvj)

yes, but NOBODY will remember any of that and that is a Ted Cruz self inflicted wound
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 07:57 AM (zp+j1)

My dear sweet friend - and I mean that most sincerely. If we survive the next 4-8 years, you will be proven wrong.

Much respect.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (27m1/)

56 g'mornin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (ZQfW9)

57 If no id required to vote, how about we reject id to ccw, board an aircraft, cash a welfare check, etc...that and we need you to come in on Sat for tps reports..yeah?...mmk?

Posted by: Dan Blather at July 21, 2016 08:03 AM (Ffw22)

58 >>>>Cruz's was great, sans the one line at the end. Otherwise, strong conservative speech.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 07:54 AM (qCMvj)

yes, but NOBODY will remember any of that and that is a Ted Cruz self inflicted wound
.
.
.The man broke his sworn pledge, you can't trust a single thing he says or does after that. He wasn't forced to sign it, he could have kept going in the Primary without signing it, but he did sign it and in the end he broke his word. Once a man does that it is all over for him.

He is a coward. If he really felt this strongly about not supporting Trump he should have said that from the very beginning but he didn't.

He has absolutely no chance in 2020 now. I was rooting from Cruz from the beginning, but I won't ever vote for him now.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2016 08:03 AM (iONHu)

59 People sure like firebrands who speak truth to the establishment right up until the moment they don't.

And hey, in an interview with the New York Times today, Trump engages in moral equivalency and "Blame America First" rhetoric as he praises Erdogan in Turkey. If Clinton had given the interview Trump did, everyone here would be (very correctly) tearing her to shreds.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:03 AM (mFkVC)

60 Cruz should have simply stayed away then, J.J.

But the GOP had to have its circus.. and they are doing a bang up job! Send in the clowns!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 21, 2016 08:03 AM (UpGcq)

61 g'mornin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (ZQfW9)

Howdy. Did you get your good news story of the day in?

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (SKk/g)

62

Pence stood out.

I was happily surprised.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (qCMvj)

63 As an enthusiastic supporter of Ted Cruz I was embarrassed by what I saw last night. As my senator he has become totally ineffective and should not be allowed to use his office for personal gain and political opportunity. I have this am emailed him suggesting he resign as senator from Texas.

Posted by: Dick Taylor CSA at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (1s0gS)

64 If debt is so good for the economy why do we need taxes? Why not just print all the money you need, Uncle Sugar, and have fun?

_____________________

That's pretty much what they do.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (NnYnv)

65 I hope Trump gives a good speech tonight.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (rwI+c)

66 off dirty sock

Posted by: willy at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (Ffw22)

67 52 J.J., Cruz didn't have to speak at all. If he's not supporting Trump he needs to get out of the way.
Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (U+nHb)
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Why? We need a few Constitutional Conservatives around now that both parties are dedicated to authoritarian big government.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (mFkVC)

68

Tucker just said something astute. This means Cruz won't be the next SC Justice. Good point.

But Trump might be the better man.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (qCMvj)

69 Like I said, we have a low-life vulgarian who is our nominee, now
surrounded by ex-Ford and Dole operatives and working closely with
Rancid Pubis and McConnell.
==========================================

I'm not a Trump fan. In fact he appeals to me like a root canal appeals to me. But in fairness, he's pretty much locked in to working with
Priebus, since Priebus holds the purse strings and is in charge of herding cats.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (dFi94)

70 My dear sweet friend - and I mean that most sincerely. If we survive the next 4-8 years, you will be proven wrong.

Much respect.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (27m1/)

proven wrong about what?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (zp+j1)

71 and furthermore, the Media must be destroyed

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (rwI+c)

72 Trump deserves the vitriol. All he had to do was be a gracious winner -- especially to Cruz, a conservative hero who fought against the GOP establishment. Trump ran a nasty, over the top, vicious primary campaign and then made no effort to heal the breach. Some leader.

There are consequences for that, as Cruz showed last night.

Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (3DSAh)

73 52 J.J., Cruz didn't have to speak at all. If he's not supporting Trump he needs to get out of the way.
Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (U+nHb)

Disagree. Someone has to lay out the path ahead. Trump is not who you think he is. Neither was Gerald Ford.

Trump knew he was not going to get an endorsement from Cruz going in.

Trump is yet another Romney, McCain, Dole and Dubya. He might actually pull out the win, please G-D, but don't kid yourself that your heading for the promised land with him in the Oval Office.

I've had enough.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (27m1/)

74 Why? We need a few Constitutional Conservatives around now that both parties are dedicated to authoritarian big government.
Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (mFkVC)

And of course you have proof trump is
authoritarian and anti-constitution?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (zp+j1)

75 Yesterday I reported that this employee had been fired.

Sometimes you really do get lemonade.

http://tinyurl.com/z2a4j7n

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (ptqRm)

76 I hope Trump gives a good speech tonight.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (rwI+c)

me too

I felt bad for Eric Trump last night, having to follow the Cruz mess.

He was off kilter.

Ivanka tonight before Donald. Should be good.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (qCMvj)

77 It's a shame about Cruz...

He would have made a good Supreme Court Justice or Attorney General.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (Zs4uk)

78 Well, the story on Morning Joe is that Cruz managed to unify the party behind Trump with his speech last night. He made Trump seem sympathetic.

Okey dokey.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (NOIQH)

79 70
proven wrong about what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (zp+j1)

That nobody will remember Cruz's speech. It was damned good. Every last word of it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (27m1/)

80 Tucker just said something astute. This means Cruz won't be the next SC Justice. Good point.

But Trump might be the better man.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (qCMvj)
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There was never the slightest chance Trump would put Cruz on the SC. Trump will never nominate any judge who might challenge executive and government power.

And Trump isn't even close to being the better man.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (mFkVC)

81 hope Trump gives a good speech tonight.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:04 AM (rwI+c)

I hope Micheal...erh I mean Trump, can get us a good deal tonight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (zp+j1)

82 JJ Sefton, Ted did a Kanye West last nigh. It was not even about not
endorsing, he pretty much encouraged people not to vote for Trump. SOre
loser who could not rise for the occasion. He is exactly what his
colleagues say he is - petty near sighted backstabber.

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (c6/9Q)

83 Guess y'all are interested in the convention. Can't say I'm interested in it. Prolly gonna ignore everything till election night unless something hilarious happens.

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (SKk/g)

84 JJ I know exactly who Trump is. I also know who Hillary is.

Cruz was my senator. I voted for him. He blew it.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 08:08 AM (U+nHb)

85 51 Accuse your father of being the guy on the Grassy Knoll.
========================================

Do you have any proof that he wasn't? Hmm?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (dFi94)

Just when did you quit beating your fiancee?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:08 AM (voOPb)

86 That nobody will remember Cruz's speech. It was damned good. Every last word of it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (27m1/)

It's already fogotten except for the non-edorsement...ehll Nice France is already forgotten.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:08 AM (zp+j1)

87 >>Tucker just said something astute. This means Cruz won't be the next SC Justice. Good point.

Yeah, my dreams of Cruz kicking butt in a Trump administration died last night. Bummer.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 08:08 AM (NOIQH)

88 Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (SKk/g)

On second thought, I'm not missing the first Trump vs. Clinton debate. That'll be fun to watch I bet.

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:08 AM (SKk/g)

89 Trump will never nominate any judge who might challenge executive and government power.

And Trump isn't even close to being the better man.
Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (mFkVC)

And of course you also have proof of this? So youyr supporting The FAB?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (zp+j1)

90 74
And of course you have proof trump is
authoritarian and anti-constitution?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (zp+j1)

He ain't no Reaganite, that's for sure. He didn't appear ab initio last June, politically.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (27m1/)

91 So if I understand Ted Cruz, I should "vote my conscience" -- by writing in a third-party candidate perhaps, or by not voting for president at all -- and thereby allow Hillary Clinton, one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians ever to draw breath in this nation, to become president.

Because doing that will help ensure the integrity of our values and defend our constitution?

How exactly?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (NnYnv)

92 And of course you have proof trump is
authoritarian and anti-constitution?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:06 AM (zp+j1)
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I've listened to him, NGU, and so have you. As badly as you want him to be a blank slate, he isn't.

Today in the NYT he praises Erdogan and his purges. He has praised Saddam, the Chinese during the Tienanmen Square massacre. He adores Putin.

He glibly said he'd order troops to kill innocents. He has demonstrated that he has no notion of the separation of powers.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (mFkVC)

93 Can't wait for next week when we can start tearing into the progressives instead of each other.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (EZebt)

94 39 I haven't been watching the RNC just because I am not particularly into speeches.
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2016 07:57 AM (7lVbc)

Same here. I said last night that the only people watching are those who already agree, so are those speeches persuading anybody? They're just speechifying to the choir, as it were.

The greatest political speech of my lifetime was Reagan's "A Time for Choosing" speech in 1964. Who did he persuade? Goldwater lost by a landslide. Speeches are overrated.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (sdi6R)

95 Convention? Its been so hectic here no time for tv.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (voOPb)

96 89
And of course you also have proof of this? So youyr supporting The FAB?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (zp+j1)

Legitimate criticism of Donald Trump does not mean support for Clinton. It's a strawman argument.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (27m1/)

97 I know, it was dumb. Really bad political calculation

----

What do you want? Aspie. Cares about the train, not the people in it.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (TaJ8L)

98 Do you have any proof that he wasn't? Hmm?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:02 AM (dFi94)

Just when did you quit beating your fiancee?

Oh, she can get away with anything since Fenelon killed her.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (1xUj/)

99 To people saying they expected Cruz in a Trump administration or to be placed on the SC by Trump...

Who do you think Trump is???

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (mFkVC)

100 He glibly said he'd order troops to kill innocents. He has demonstrated that he has no notion of the separation of powers.
Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:09 AM (mFkVC)

of course he never said that. He was talking about collateral damage and talk is cheap..get back to me when he actually does something anti-constitutional. And so your supporting The FAB?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:11 AM (zp+j1)

101 There are consequences for that, as Cruz showed last night.
Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (3DSAh)
---------------

It's very concerning, did Cruz ever apologize for his super pac ad against Melania Trump?

Posted by: willy at July 21, 2016 08:11 AM (Ffw22)

102
Personnally, I love a good speech. If you have ever been to a political convention, even a mock one put on by university, the floor demonstrations are great.

You get out in the aisle, march around with the other demonstrators, wave your sign or flag, jump around, yell and scream at people. You get the ol enthusiaism going. You get pumped up, you get everyone else pumped up. Great fun!

Then you go into the delegate meetings where you harrange and harrass your opponents, brow beat your political enemies, and make deals. It's America!

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:12 AM (aC1io)

103
of course he never said that. He was talking about collateral damage and talk is cheap..get back to me when he actually does something anti-constitutional. And so your supporting The FAB?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:11 AM (zp+j1)

No, as I have told you before, neither is remotely fit for office.

And yes, NGU, he did say he would order troops to kill the family's of terrorists.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:12 AM (mFkVC)

104 82 JJ Sefton, Ted did a Kanye West last nigh. It was not even about not
endorsing, he pretty much encouraged people not to vote for Trump. SOre
loser who could not rise for the occasion. He is exactly what his
colleagues say he is - petty near sighted backstabber.
Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:07 AM (c6/9Q)

Disagree. And I stand by what I wrote upthread.

Anyway, Donald Trump will have all those wonderful Bernie Sanders supporters to rally around him in November.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:12 AM (27m1/)

105 Legitimate criticism of Donald Trump does not mean support for Clinton. It's a strawman argument.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (27m1/)

Before yes, now NO. There are only choices in November. And your either part of the Solution or part of The Problem. Want to debate intellectual political theory...go take a course at harvard or yale...

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:12 AM (zp+j1)

106 It's very concerning, did Cruz ever apologize for his super pac ad against Melania Trump?
Posted by: willy at July 21, 2016 08:11 AM (Ffw22)
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All lies are true under Trump

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:13 AM (mFkVC)

107 Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:12 AM (mFkVC)

So your supporting The FAB?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:13 AM (zp+j1)

108 What do you want? Aspie. Cares about the train, not the people in it.
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM (TaJ8L)

a smart move would have been to walk away not endorsing if that was his intention, but to end it with more strong conservative hammers

he knew what he did

it belittled him

One sentence, belittled him. It was dumb. The speech was awesome, otherwise.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:13 AM (qCMvj)

109 TED CRUZ!!!!

Posted by: This year's "RON PAUL!!!!" at July 21, 2016 08:14 AM (QlyN5)

110

The fact that Cruz's wife was being harassed in the crowd and had to be escorted out by guards was disturbing in itself.

Mob mentality. Shameful on both sides.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:15 AM (qCMvj)

111 So your supporting The FAB?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:13 AM (zp+j1)

I'm not voting for Hil, which is a vote for Trump. I'm not voting for Trump, which is a vote for Hil. Those votes cancel each other out, so I'm voting for neither.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:15 AM (mFkVC)

112 did Cruz ever apologize for his super pac ad against Melania Trump?

Firstly, it wasn't his PAC. Secondly, he could have stopped them from broadcasting if he wanted to without the dreaded charge of "coordination" under McCain/Feingold.

I'm disappointed that Ted did not finesse the "endorsement" much better. Even I could think of a couple of ways to do it, though I loathe Trump.

Sadly as a Cruz backer, there's just no defense for what happened.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:15 AM (rwI+c)

113 Cruz's speech was great. He blew it at the end.

I wish he hadn't. We need everyone to drag Trump over the finish line.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (U+nHb)

114 Zod nods
Zuul drools
Zoot is a toot
Zathras shrugs

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (GYSvp)

115 105 Before yes, now NO. There are only choices in November. And your either part of the Solution or part of The Problem. Want to debate intellectual political theory...go take a course at harvard or yale...
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:12 AM (zp+j1)

You do realize that the floor vote yesterday cemented Rancid Pubis' and the Establishment's power, no? You do realize that Paul Manafort was instrumental in that? Now is exactly the time and place to make sure that our voices are heard, and not that of the establishment.

You have a lot of hope vested in Mr. Trump. He is going to disappoint and mightily. Yes, staving off Clinton is vital. But after that, whither the trajectory of the country? That is what a convention is about, beyond nominating the candidate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (27m1/)

116 couldn't

FMK

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (rwI+c)

117

Someone said last night that this could be the "Christie moment" for Cruz. The hug v the backstab.

possibly

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (qCMvj)

118 When it comes down to it, all I have to say about this election is, I got one vote. I'll vote for Trump. Cruz is a politician, he is thinking about himself (surprise!) and 2020. That is all there is to it. It does not sway me from what I have to do this election. Trump or Hillary, that's what we got. The only vote I'd have for Hillary is to put her ass in jail.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (SXa8W)

119 An x-ray of his foot would probably show half a dozen self inflicted bullet holes right now.

******

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you don't really need an X-ray to see bullet holes.

Posted by: Seamus M. at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (NeFrd)

120 Ugh, the Trump/Cruz wars have returned.
I respect the horde's difference of opinion. The most important thing at this point is defeating Hillary, not each other.

Time to search for some good news...

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (NOIQH)

121 And yes, NGU, he did say he would order troops to kill the family's of terrorists.

Don't ever vote for me then.
Because I'd go back to everyone that ever knew him after the third grade.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (3C84c)

122

I'm hungry.

*shuffles off

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (qCMvj)

123 "he knew what he did

it belittled him
"

so true. it could have been a speech about the erosion of the rule of law too - he was an associate Attorney General under Bush (yeah a real outsider...), after all. he chose a different path.

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (c6/9Q)

124 The fact that Cruz's wife was being harassed in the crowd and had to be escorted out by guards was disturbing in itself.

Mob mentality. Shameful on both sides.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:15 AM (qCMvj)

That happened last night? Sad.

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (SKk/g)

125 Just when did you quit beating your fiancee?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:08 AM (voOPb)
==============================================

Oh. Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Someone should have told me. Oh well. Live and learn.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (dFi94)

126 >>>Don't blame Islam, blame mental illness<<<

And latent muslim homosexuality. Them boys love/hate the buttsex!

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2016 08:18 AM (2Mnv1)

127
Trump is yet another Romney, McCain, Dole and Dubya. He might actually pull out the win, please G-D, but don't kid yourself that your heading for the promised land with him in the Oval Office.
________________________

With Trump there is at least a chance we will get some conservative SCOTUS appointments; with Hillary, there is no chance. With Trump there is at least a chance we will get some border enforcement; with Hillary, there is no chance.

I don't have any illusions about what Trump is, but I also don't have any illusions about what Hillary Clinton is.

That's why I am voting for Trump. I supported Cruz in the primaries, but he lost. I had hoped he would be able to make the case for himself, but he didn't.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2016 08:18 AM (NnYnv)

128 You have a lot of hope vested in Mr. Trump. He is going to disappoint and mightily. Yes, staving off Clinton is vital. But after that, whither the trajectory of the country? That is what a convention is about, beyond nominating the candidate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:16 AM (27m1/)

I have NO hope invested in Trump. I expect the very worst from him and hope for the very best. But I do know, and so do you, that he is better than the alternative. And between now and November THAT is all that matters.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:18 AM (zp+j1)

129 I'm hungry.

*shuffles off

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (qCMvj)

What you need is coffee!

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (SKk/g)

130 1. One-name trolls are out early today. Must be getting free Starbucks and meth as part of their contract.

2. I see that my "No watching the conventions because I don't have time to recover from a stroke" policy has panned out.

3. I just thank God that there haven't been riots. Kudos to the Cleveland law enforcement community for keeping a lid on things.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (SEFXb)

131 Here's the full text of the Cruz speech...

http://tinyurl.com/jeobb7t

He congratulated Trump right at the beginning, No where in the speech does he even remotely suggest not to vote for Trump. The media is whipping this up, don't buy into it. if everyone would have just listened to the speech and clapped after there would be none of this. But Trumps people wanted him to say the actual words " I endorse Trump" they didn't even seem to care about anything else he was saying, so they turned it into a circus per usual.

Posted by: spypeach at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (nyYhO)

132 I'm not voting for Hil, which is a vote for Trump. I'm not voting for Trump, which is a vote for Hil. Those votes cancel each other out, so I'm voting for neither.

Lack of a vote against her is a vote for her. Sorry.
That's the only way this game works.
Hold your breath, stomp your feet, deny reality. Doesn't matter.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (3C84c)

133 About the superwoman in the polka dot dress who repelled the police by the sheer force of her magnetic
personality?. Remember her?

"Look at her posture. She is balanced, powerful, upright and well grounded with both feet firmly planted on the earth. Look at the line made from the crown of her head to the heels of her feet. She is only protected by the force of her own personal power.

By contrast, the officers have the transitory, temporary, protection of their equipment that will be removed at the end of their shift. They are rocked back on their heels, knocked off balance, and appear about to fall over backward, just from the power of her.

This is a legendary picture. It will be in history and art books from this time."

Has anyone figured out that this was either set up or a photoshop?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (bpZlE)

134 I'm not voting for Hil, which is a vote for Trump. I'm not voting for Trump, which is a vote for Hil. Those votes cancel each other out, so I'm voting for neither.
Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:15 AM (mFkVC)

So since there are only 2 legitimate choices in November, what's your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:20 AM (zp+j1)

135 "It ain't personal. It's business."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 21, 2016 08:20 AM (4+VII)

136 The fact that Cruz's wife was being harassed in the crowd and had to be escorted out by guards was disturbing in itself.

============================================

Seriously? Someone needs a good pounding.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:20 AM (dFi94)

137 I'm hungry.

*shuffles off

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:17 AM (qCMvj)

I'm hungry too, but it's time for the treadmill.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (Zs4uk)

138 Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (3C84c)

Who's arguing not to vote for Trump?

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (SKk/g)

139 ATTENTION WRITERS!

Be sure to check out my bog today for an amazing opportunity to take part in a writer's workshop in NYC featuring Sarah Hoyt - for FREE.

Link in nic

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (7lVbc)

140
I really hope Mr. Trump wins. Because I am going to be "hocking a chainik" the size of Texas when the SCOUTS nominees appear and when the wall goes nowhere and when another trillion dollar budget is passed.

On the flip side, you have my word that I will apologize if everything he promised comes to fruition. But since past experience is the best predictor of future behavior, I think, sorry to say, I'll be proven right.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (27m1/)

141 Lack of a vote against her is a vote for her. Sorry.

In fairness, it's only half a vote for her.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (rwI+c)

142 133-The fawning quote from "SunnySkyz"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jy8nv8p

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (bpZlE)

143 I doubt a Cruz endorsement of Trump would help Trump very much. The non endorsement puts Ted into the Chris Christie territory of sore loser.

Even two sporting teams with a historic rivalry will cross the field and shake hands at the end of the game.

I started out 100% Ted, btw. Now I have lost almost all respect for the man. Hillary Clinton must not win in November.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 08:22 AM (ZnIt3)

144 131 Here's the full text of the Cruz speech...

http://tinyurl.com/jeobb7t

He congratulated Trump right at the beginning, No where in the speech does he even remotely suggest not to vote for Trump. The media is whipping this up, don't buy into it. if everyone would have just listened to the speech and clapped after there would be none of this. But Trumps people wanted him to say the actual words " I endorse Trump" they didn't even seem to care about anything else he was saying, so they turned it into a circus per usual.
Posted by: spypeach at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (nyYhO)

Wow. What a fucking disgrace. I'm just so disgusted.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:23 AM (27m1/)

145
votermom, do we have to go to NYC to participate?

Is this going to be like in a conference room at a big NYC publishing house with editors and marketing people?

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:23 AM (aC1io)

146 Ugh.

I'm still so disappointed in Cruz.

He sidelined himself last last night. We needed him to be an effective Senator over the next 4-8 yrs and hopefully, President in the next cycle or two.

But, nope.

He took himself completely out of the game. I'll be surprised if he wins his next Senatorial election...the Bushes have one of their clan in place and will have the money and support in Texas to run a very effective campaign.

Everyone understands why Ted did what he did but it was a stupid way to do it. And he's supposed to be the "smart guy".

He could have simply said at the end of his near great speech about freedom and the Constitution-

"...and we all know that Hillary is there waiting in the wings to take our freedoms away and burn the Constitution to ashes.

So, when we have the chance to move the cause of freedom and Constitutionality forward even one inch,

we have to take it. We have to vote for the person who will give us that inch and move forward toward freedom.

And, in this election that man is Donald J Trump."

BOOM! Done.

Not a full-throated support. But, a speech that gives everyone what they wanted, including Cruz, and provides Cruz with a platform and effective role going forward. And more important, keeps him from being sidelined as an ego-driven, sour grapes loser.

I guess it's the wasted potential that bothers me so much.

As anyone who's seen a bright kid get involved with the wrong group of friends, and lost his way with drugs or whatever can tell you,

your "friends" aren't always your friends.

His advisers and speechwriters are lousy if they didn't tell him this was the wrong way to go.

And bitter a-holes like Mark Levin, who I used to admire, I'm sure, stoked Cruz' ego and anger instead of being good friends who let him see the whole picture and helped him move ahead.

So, instead, we're stuck with the spectacle of Newt wiping Cruz' butt for him on national TV-

because Newt is a true friend, both to Ted and the freedom, and saw the damage Cruz had done to himself and the cause of defeating Hillary.

Can nobody on our side play this game?

I know TL

R.

But, I had to get this off my chest.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (HGtd0)

147 145
votermom, do we have to go to NYC to participate?

Is this going to be like in a conference room at a big NYC publishing house with editors and marketing people?
Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:23 AM (aC1io)

You all have the added bonus of buying me dinner and drinks!

And some of you can even punch me in the face!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (27m1/)

148 I just thank God that there haven't been riots. Kudos to the ~~Cleveland law enforcement community~~ Ohio Open Carry, and other 2A supporting gun laws for keeping a lid on things.

More guns...less crime.

Could possibly be a good title for a book.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (ptqRm)

149
Don't blame Islam, blame mental illness

===============
Unless they declare islam a mental illness, I dont want to hear it.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (iQIUe)

150 Cruz never had a chance of getting on the Supreme Court anyway. Even if Trump was to win and nominate him the Ted the Swimmer party would Bork him unless the Republicans used the nuclear option like the Democrats have under OBama twice.

Democommies never "go along to get along".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (mpXpK)

151 Voter Mom, Taliesin?

When I read that name, I always think of the Deborah Kurk Adept series because Adam's Hunting Lodge in one book has to deal with an evil Druid priest named that as part of the plot.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (GYSvp)

152 He congratulated Trump right at the beginning, No where in the speech does he even remotely suggest not to vote for Trump.
Posted by: spypeach at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (nyYhO)

--------------

He endorsed Constitutionalism, the Bill of Rights, and voting your conscience. Trump supporters are very aware of how that reflects on Trump.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (mFkVC)

153 I'm disappointed that Ted did not finesse the "endorsement" much better. Even I could think of a couple of ways to do it, though I loathe Trump.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

****

Now THAT is a ringing endorsement, Grump! Nuanced and subtle, but at the same time enthusiastic.

Posted by: Seamus M. at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (NeFrd)

154 "I have chosen the way of faithfulness. I have set my heart on your laws."

Psalm 119:30 (NIV)

Bible Gateway's Verse of the day. Seems appropriate.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (dFi94)

155 48 Have someone smear your wife and personally attack her.

Accuse your father of being the guy on the Grassy Knoll.

Impugn your character, on an hourly basis.

Mock your deeply held religious convictions.

And do all this without having the guts to have an honest,
substantive critique on the issues. And at the very end, not have the
decency to apologize - not even have the horse sense to even FAKE an
apology.

And you're disappointed that Cruz didn't apologize?

Posted by: J. J.

Exactamundo. Look, I *wish* that Ted could have found a way to implicitly support Trump more strongly; he did take clear shots at TFG/The Shrill One. Explicitly was clearly out of the question :

March 30 2016 -- "No, I don't anymore," Trump said, when asked by CNN's Anderson Cooper if he continued "to pledge to support whoever the Republican nominee is?"

Earlier, Cruz had told Cooper when asked the same question: "I'm not in the habit of supporting someone who attacks my wife and my family ..."

So, looking down the road a few years, Cruz will be able to claim that honor was at stake; not to the loyalty pledge, but to his family.

And that in good conscience, beyond the pale, etc. and so forth.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (gyKtp)

156 eerr Katherine Kurtz and Deborah Turner Harris

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (GYSvp)

157 >>>34

So I woke up this morning

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 07:55 AM (aC1io)

Earworm alert (1965):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29uNvGHsRlc

Posted by: m at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (/7Lfc)

158 When did votermom buy enough land to have a bog?

I guess you can at least burn the peat during the dark and burning times to stay warm.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (ptqRm)

159 He endorsed Constitutionalism, the Bill of Rights,
and voting your conscience. Trump supporters are very aware of how that
reflects on Trump.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (mFkVC)

the chicken wants a break, it is tired and a bit dry

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (c6/9Q)

160 Methinks we're fucked, regardless of how anyone votes.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (97XyN)

161 many great speaker last night, Laura was great.

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:27 AM (c6/9Q)

162 Sefton, Wo Hop's?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:28 AM (GYSvp)

163 Here's a nice story:

At this summer camp cops and kids bond for better communities:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/grlfetp

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:28 AM (bpZlE)

164 Cruz is such a weasel. He looks the part too. Ugly inside and out.

Posted by: Truth at July 21, 2016 08:28 AM (OTtI3)

165 Oh, she can get away with anything since Fenelon killed her.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2016 08:10 AM

And now Muldoon is missing, and presumed dead.

We may never know the true motives.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2016 08:28 AM (OF/aZ)

166 155
So, looking down the road a few years, Cruz will be able to claim that honor was at stake; not to the loyalty pledge, but to his family.

And that in good conscience, beyond the pale, etc. and so forth.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (gyKtp)

It's just amazing that no one takes any of that into account. We all know that politics ain't beanbag, but the nature and viciousness and outright slander on a national stage is way beyond anything I've ever seen before.

And not an apology. Not even a fake, staged sham apology either. It really was despicable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:28 AM (27m1/)

167 162 Sefton, Wo Hop's?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:28 AM (GYSvp)

Oh yeah!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:29 AM (27m1/)

168 "Methinks we're fucked, regardless of how anyone votes."

You are deep.

Time for cigs and retail breakfast.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 08:29 AM (Tw/PN)

169 The reason that the DOJ is going after the Wolf of Wall St. producers is that they actually produced something without giving the Democrats part of the take - had they produced nothing and defrauded everyone - like oh say Solyndra - while cutting the Ds in on it - it would have been totes OK.

Posted by: An Observation at July 21, 2016 08:29 AM (XLZjs)

170
126 >>>Don't blame Islam, blame mental illness

And latent muslim homosexuality. Them boys love/hate the buttsex!

----

And first cousin marriage

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 08:30 AM (TaJ8L)

171 the chicken wants a break, it is tired and a bit dry
Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (c6/9Q)

so does the dead horse, but these are people who not here to to anything but crap on Trump.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (zp+j1)

172 Listen up, people. I do not have time to sit here all day on this blog, scrolling up to get comments I missed, then scrolling down to catch up. Do Not Have Time. Lots of things to do today. So I can't stay here. You got that?

I think I'll grab another cup of coffee and come back, just for a minute. Just for a little bit.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (dFi94)

173 I'm late to the party commenting on this, but as a 100% Cruz supporter from the get-go, I was really disappointed last night. Disappointed that he just couldn't go that extra inch and say we have a choice between Trump and the most corrupt person ever nominated to a political party. We have Trump, like it or lump it. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate. It really is time to tighten it up and be in this together or lose America. And two choices is really all we have to decide between. I appreciate Newt trying to smooth it over when he came out next, but I was not impressed with Cruz's non-supportive support. And I can't believe I just said that.

Great last night were:
The black minister (Scott?) with the red shirt...awesome.
Laura Ingraham...en total fuego.
Eric Trump...another well-spoken Trump kid.
Newt...nobody can articulate better than him.
Pence...I was not expecting much, but he far surpassed my expectations.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (+FSld)

174 And some of you can even punch me in the face!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM

I would never do that to you sir.

But I could show up with thirty pounds of manuscripts.

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (aC1io)

175
Watching an archaeological program where they excavated a Roman fort in the UK. They found a silver ring with a gem stone carved with an anchor an a pair of fish, early Christian symbols.

And here's a photo of it:

http://goo.gl/KYsaes

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (iQIUe)

176 >>>48 23. Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

Let's see.

Have someone smear your wife and personally attack her.
Accuse your father of being the guy on the Grassy Knoll.
Impugn your character, on an hourly basis.
Mock your deeply held religious convictions.

And do all this without having the guts to have an honest, substantive critique on the issues. And at the very end, not have the decency to apologize - not even have the horse sense to even FAKE an apology.

And you're disappointed that Cruz didn't apologize?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:00 AM (27m1/)

I'm disappointed that he accepted a speaking role at the Republican convention and turned it into his own soapbox. That was not honorable.

Posted by: m at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (/7Lfc)

177 Psalm 63:

O G-d, thou art my G-d; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;

2 To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.

3 Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee.

4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name.

5 My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips:

6 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.

7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.

8 My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me.

9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.

10 They shall fall by the sword: they shall be a portion for foxes.

11 But the king shall rejoice in G-d; every one that sweareth by him shall glory: but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM (27m1/)

178 145
votermom, do we have to go to NYC to participate?

Is this going to be like in a conference room at a big NYC publishing house with editors and marketing people?
Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:23 AM (aC1io)

--

I don't know that much about it but yes, you have to go to NYC. They will send you a voucher for airfare and hotel / board.
I think there will only be around 15 or 16 of you.
It will be a working workshop - you bring your WIP and do whatever you writers do in workshops.
I don't know if there are agents - I think there will probably be someone to talk about self-publishing?

The link near the bottom of my post to Taliesin has details.

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM (7lVbc)

179 And now Muldoon is missing, and presumed dead.

No kidding? The guy with all the puns and photographic mammary?

Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM (ZnIt3)

180 Anna, I was looking for you yesterday to give you a heads up about it.

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM (7lVbc)

181 I can't remember which Moron said it, regardless of who the nominee is, we ain't voting our way out of this mess. I suspect Trump at sometime during the primaries had a 'Holy Shit! I could actually win this! What now!?!' moment. I think he's a hardline pragmatist and a political agnostic. It's going to be interesting if he does win. Will the cooperation he gets from the establishment types be different if he wins by a little or wins by a lot.? It really is tri-dimensional chess. Unfortunately, the powers-that-be always seem to win.

Posted by: Usedtocould at July 21, 2016 08:33 AM (VCqKl)

182 so does the dead horse, but these are people who not here to to anything but crap on Trump.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (zp+j1)
personal agenda

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 08:33 AM (c6/9Q)

183 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:26 AM (ptqRm)

I used to have a blog.

IRS taxed the L away.

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:33 AM (7lVbc)

184 138 Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (3C84c)

Who's arguing not to vote for Trump?
Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (SKk/g)

See # 111.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:34 AM (3C84c)

185 176 I'm disappointed that he accepted a speaking role at the Republican convention and turned it into his own soapbox. That was not honorable.

Posted by: m at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (/7Lfc)

And had he not appeared, that would have been great. Right.

It amazes me that Ted Cruz has to live up to some incredible standard from his detractors (who will still detract if he lives up to it) and yet the slightest critique of Mr. Trump and the invective flies.

OK. I get it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:34 AM (27m1/)

186 "And here's a photo of it:

http://goo.gl/KYsaes"

He got it at Jared.
The Galleria of Fine Jewelry.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:34 AM (ptqRm)

187 And now Muldoon is missing, and presumed dead.

We may never know the true motives.

Posted by: Duncanthrax

****

When did this happen?

Posted by: Seamus M. at July 21, 2016 08:35 AM (NeFrd)

188 Who's arguing not to vote for Trump?
Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2016 08:21 AM (SKk/g)

There are a few. They are only here to crap on Trump. And it is THEM I have a huge problem with.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:35 AM (zp+j1)

189 BTW, I have a bLog bleg.
If you like my blog and have blogs or social media accounts, please consider linking to me once in a while, when appropriate.
It helps tell google I'm not a spam site.
Thanks!

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (7lVbc)

190 Hello. Beautiful day.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (cVvbj)

191 "I used to have a blog.

IRS taxed the L away."

Sounds just a little too convenient.

I suspect that I know where Muldoon is buried.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (ptqRm)

192 Henri, from the first paragraph from Taliesin's page:

Calling the next great American author! If that's you, then this September 9-11 get ready to have us fly you out to New York City, put you up in a hotel, and spend an entire weekend developing your work at the Calliope Authors Workshop. You will have the opportunity to get thorough notes on your in-progress work as well as career advice from successful novelists, nonfiction authors, publishers, and literary agents.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (GYSvp)

193 Exciting time to be alive

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (cVvbj)

194 And here's a photo of it:

http://goo.gl/KYsaes

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 21, 2016 08:31 AM (iQIUe)
===============================================

That is so cool. They think it pre-dates Constantine. Very interesting.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (dFi94)

195 your "friends" aren't always your friends

----

Beck said he'd have to reconsider his support if Cruz endorsed Trump. Guess Cruz wanted that particular cheerleader.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (TaJ8L)

196 I see some are still throwing out that bogus saw about a non-vote for Trump is a vote for Scankles. That is only true in a minority of States that are actually considered a "toss-up". The election projectors give ten States this election as "toss-ups". Personally I would throw out NH, PA, WI, and IO. Those States have not gone Republican in a long time. That means there are only 6 States where your vote really counts.

http://bit.ly/2abN0o1

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (mpXpK)

197 http://bit.ly/29PvPFL

Christie on Ted's meltdown.

Posted by: Old argus at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (mBYZv)

198 @48

This had nothing to do with what Trump may have done in the past during the primary.

Trump is the Nominee, the convention is to nominate, gather support and unify behind the nominee.

Cruz signed a pledge to support the nominee.

Trump gave Cruz a prime speaking spot.

Cruz made himself the story with his little stunt and distracted tremendously from the evenings featured speaker, Mike Pence, and sowed disunity in the party and gave the FAB ammunition for the general.

Completely uneccessary, if Cruz was still angry he could have done what many others who do not support Trump have done and not shown up.

Very bad move on Cruz's part.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (e7A1N)

199 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM (27m1/

Nice selection; Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (bpZlE)

200 No kidding? The guy with all the puns and photographic mammary?
Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM

Yah. Apparently a trebuchet launch of the remains into Windsor is being planned, followed by a Shiner Bock-fueled Horde wake, very thoughtfully pre-paid for by Muldoon himself.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (OF/aZ)

201 Voter Mom, yesterday was: writing, writer's lunch, rain showers, and work.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:38 AM (GYSvp)

202 I suspect that I know where Muldoon is buried.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:36 AM (ptqRm)

*shoves shovel into shed*

I have no idea what you're talking about.

*opens eyes really wide to look innocent*

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:38 AM (7lVbc)

203 "When did this happen?"

That dead guy, Buzzion might have mentioned it.

Or, it could have been someone else.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:38 AM (ptqRm)

204 Don't blame Islam, blame mental illness

If you're raised under Islam, that IS your system of right and wrong. The mental illness angle assumes that inside of all people is OUR system of right and wrong.

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2016 08:39 AM (eeTCA)

205 yet the slightest critique of Mr. Trump and the invective flies.

OK. I get it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:34 AM (27m1/)

Actually no. His speech last night was almost 100% support for most of Trumps proposals, from the Border Control to Vetting Muslims from terrorist areas to Supreme Court appointments. He said nothing against trump EXCEPT for the vote your conciounce bullshit and the non-endorsment which ruined his entire speech and in many ways made no sense since as Newt said if you want someone to protect the Constitution, the ONLY candidate in November who "might" do that is Trump. Cruz's logic was at odds with his argument

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:39 AM (zp+j1)

206 Saw another vine with what appears to be the same cast of muslim assholes with a kid soldier. It looks older bc the thugs have longer hair. The kid looks older than the 9 y/o they beheaded but he is injured and they are threatening him like in the beheading video. Still waiting for the effing State Dept to condemn this.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 21, 2016 08:39 AM (iQIUe)

207 To all the Cruz critics here: a hypothetical:

If I wrongly accused all of y'all's families, in particular your fathers, of killing Kennedy and all that implies, i.e. your families being unpatriotic, violent pieces of shit guilty of the crime of the century, I'd be kicked from the site.

Trump does the same thing to Cruz and we have to pretend he's a wonderful fucking candidate for President.

BTW, Trump has come out this morning in support of fucking over the Baltic states and supporting Erdogan while he's holding US personnell at Incirlik hostage. He's gonna throw this thing to Hillary.

Posted by: Thing From Trump! Mountain at July 21, 2016 08:39 AM (gvSC+)

208 197 http://bit.ly/29PvPFL

Christie on Ted's meltdown.
Posted by: Old argus at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (mBYZv)

That fat fuck of a failure? Tell him to go hug Obama again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:39 AM (27m1/)

209 writer's lunch

That's three martinis, isn't it?

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2016 08:40 AM (eeTCA)

210
Y'know what's worse than a sore loser? A sore winner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (27m1/)

211 What's cool about this workshop is that it's geared towards right-wing writers.
Taliesin appears to have a bunch of other opportunities on their site if you click around.

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (7lVbc)

212 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:32 AM (27m1/)

==========================================

JJ - there is a beautiful song set to the words of that Psalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9nzHEDCRg

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (dFi94)

213 But he's a wonderful candidate and our best hope! (Which lie I have to tell is stressful to me).

He is all, all honorable men!

Posted by: Thing From Trump! Mountain at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (gvSC+)

214 If I wrongly accused all of y'all's families, in particular your fathers, of killing Kennedy and all that implies, i.e. your families being unpatriotic, violent pieces of shit guilty of the crime of the century, I'd be kicked from the site.

First of all he NEVER said. He said there is evidence Cruz's father knew Oswald---which I think is bullshit and was a crazy thing for Trump ot even hint at-- but let's at least be honest with the facts of what was said.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (zp+j1)

215 "Holy Land Moments" devotional from the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews:

"Giving Others The Benefit Of The Doubt"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hxrw8vw

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (bpZlE)

216 Exactly. With his little stunt, Cruz made it all about himself last night. No wonder his fellow Senators hate him so much.

Posted by: Truth at July 21, 2016 08:42 AM (OTtI3)

217
Yah. Apparently a trebuchet launch of the remains into Windsor is being planned, followed by a Shiner Bock-fueled Horde wake, very thoughtfully pre-paid for by Muldoon himself.

****

Meh. Send me into the hills of Peruvia!

Posted by: Seamus M. at July 21, 2016 08:42 AM (NeFrd)

218 I like this Cruz fellow.

Posted by: Tracy Flick at July 21, 2016 08:42 AM (Pby3z)

219 205 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:39 AM (zp+j1)

So, in essence, you've just, perhaps unintentionally, made the argument that Cruz's speech was in fact an endorsement of Mr. Trump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:42 AM (27m1/)

220 Oh well, need to get going. Picked up an extra shift at work.

Don't torch the place or your friends playing Monday Morning Quarterback with the MSM calling the plays.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2016 08:43 AM (GYSvp)

221 A sore winner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (27m1/)

how has Trump been a sore winner. He let Cruz speak. And to my knowledge he has not said anything bad about any of his Republican opponents since he wrapped this up? At least in public?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:43 AM (zp+j1)

222 216 Exactly. With his little stunt, Cruz made it all about himself last night. No wonder his fellow Senators hate him so much.
Posted by: Truth at July 21, 2016 08:42 AM (OTtI3)

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Or, he made it all about the principles that supposedly guide the Conservative movement.

And Trump fans, many of whom act as if in a cult of personality, are upset because he DIDN'T make it about their man.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:44 AM (mFkVC)

223 212 Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (dFi94)

Hate to admit that my first exposure to it was when George C. Scott recited it in "Patton" before the apology to the troops for slapping the soldier.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:44 AM (27m1/)

224 Wow, that was a great speech; I got goosebumps reading it. He attacked Clinton and Obama, not Trump. It definitely wasn't the divisive mess our local newspaper made it out to be this morning.
___________________________________________

131
Here's the full text of the Cruz speech...

http://tinyurl.com/jeobb7t

He congratulated Trump right at the beginning, No where in the
speech does he even remotely suggest not to vote for Trump. The media is
whipping this up, don't buy into it. if everyone would have just
listened to the speech and clapped after there would be none of this.
But Trumps people wanted him to say the actual words " I endorse Trump"
they didn't even seem to care about anything else he was saying, so they
turned it into a circus per usual.

Posted by: spypeach at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (nyYhO)

Posted by: Pyrocles at July 21, 2016 08:44 AM (MYMcU)

225
Thank you Anna.

It also looks like the workshop is aimed at university students?

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:44 AM (aC1io)

226
Cruz did himself no favors last night and probably harmed himself immeasurably.

Bottom line is he signed a pledge to supprt the nominee.

Trump gave him a pretty plumb speaking spot

And his little stunt took all of the attention off of the main
speaker of the evening, Mike Pence, and made Cruz the story everyone is
talking about.

Pretty dissapointed in Cruz.

And it was so uneccesary.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

Bottom line, Cruz did not promise an endorsement, Trump disavowed any pledge before any other candidate and Cruz said nothing negative about Trump.

Also, Trump did not have the power to stop Cruz from speaking.

So once again, Trump supporters are misrepresenting the facts.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 08:44 AM (9dfKD)

227 how has Trump been a sore winner. He let Cruz speak. And to my knowledge he has not said anything bad about any of his Republican opponents since he wrapped this up? At least in public?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:43 AM (zp+j1)
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Are you kidding? He has CONSTANTLY attacked his Republican opponents since Indiana. He was accusing Cruz's father of hanging with Oswald AFTER Indiana.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:45 AM (mFkVC)

228 >>>146

"...and we all know that Hillary is there waiting in the wings to take our freedoms away and burn the Constitution to ashes.

So, when we have the chance to move the cause of freedom and Constitutionality forward even one inch,

we have to take it. We have to vote for the person who will give us that inch and move forward toward freedom.

And, in this election that man is Donald J Trump."

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (HGtd0)

Nice.

Posted by: m at July 21, 2016 08:46 AM (/7Lfc)

229 And a Brooklyn Tabernacle devotional-"Is Anyone in Trouble"? part 1

I usually post these devotionals later in the day. I'm doing it now because I can't stand anymore of the Trump/ Cruz Wars and will be back after Trump speaks if it's not too late:

http://www.brooklyntabernacle.org/devotional

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:46 AM (bpZlE)

230 "Meh. Send me into the hills of Peruvia!"

Is that where they place the body on an elevated platform at the top of the hill.

And then the Temple Guinea Pigs remove the flesh from the corpse?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 08:46 AM (ptqRm)

231 Hate to admit that my first exposure to it was when
George C. Scott recited it in "Patton" before the apology to the troops
for slapping the soldier.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:44 AM (27m1/)
==============================================

As good a time as any

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:46 AM (dFi94)

232 Wow. Trump on Turkey. Wow

It would have been better if he said something like "if I have to chose between a West friendly despot and radical Islam, I chose the despot"

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:47 AM (cVvbj)

233 I'm not voting for Hil, which is a vote for Trump.
I'm not voting for Trump, which is a vote for Hil. Those votes cancel
each other out, so I'm voting for neither.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:15 AM (mFkVC)
Technically true that you are voting for neither - Russian Trolls aren't allowed to vote in US elections.

Posted by: An Observation at July 21, 2016 08:47 AM (XLZjs)

234 Trump would not be easily manipulated when it comes tto getting involved in war. That is the real reason he is opposed by so many. You have to want to send more young red staters to their deaths while slamming them and their small minded values in order to be considered a proper member of the elite GOP.

Posted by: Truth at July 21, 2016 08:47 AM (OTtI3)

235 221 A sore winner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:41 AM (27m1/)

how has Trump been a sore winner. He let Cruz speak. And to my knowledge he has not said anything bad about any of his Republican opponents since he wrapped this up? At least in public?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:43 AM (zp+j1)

Not necessarily him, but his cheering section. Both here and in the media. And it really galls me that he has gone out of his way to not court the base and openly wooing the kook left Sanders voters. That is troubling to say the least.

Look, I'm done. I've said my peace. We nominated the absolute wrong man. To my dying day I will believe that with every fiber of my being.

Let's just drag his sorry toupee over the finish line.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:47 AM (27m1/)

236 Lack of a vote against her is a vote for her. Sorry.
That's the only way this game works.
Hold your breath, stomp your feet, deny reality. Doesn't matter.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (3C84c

Life presents shitty options all of the time. This is one of those times.
I'm not a Trump guy but I will pull the lever.

Wish idiots like Red State, etc would spend half their fvcking energy trying to defeat Hillary instead of Trump.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:47 AM (voOPb)

237 Technically true that you are voting for neither - Russian Trolls aren't allowed to vote in US elections.

Soon.

Posted by: B. Obama at July 21, 2016 08:48 AM (cJDvr)

238 So, in essence, you've just, perhaps unintentionally, made the argument that Cruz's speech was in fact an endorsement of Mr. Trump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:42 AM (27m1/)

what I said last night and today acknowledges 100% that what Cruz said essentially endorse Trump's Polices. I have never denied that and I shouted that from the roof last night. But as I also said NOBODY will remember that because of his immature and out of place non-endorsement of Trump. The ONLY headline in the morning papers is that he refused to endorse Trump. Ya know most people have lives, unlike me, and did not watch last night...all they see are the headlines in the papers. 5 or 6 words by Cruz last night and he would have been a hero. I feel sorry for him actually. Bad Choice, Bad Move, childish.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:48 AM (zp+j1)

239 Fen - I heard some history of the Brooklyn Tabernacle the other day. It was very interesting. Now if I could only remember what they said.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2016 08:48 AM (dFi94)

240 I listened to the Cruz speech. It was obvious and pointed as delivered, especially at the end

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:48 AM (cVvbj)

241 It would have been better if he said something like "if I have to chose between a West friendly despot and radical Islam, I chose the despot"

Yaa butt it looks more like an Islamic Despot and no choice.

Posted by: Henri at July 21, 2016 08:49 AM (aC1io)

242 Lemme see if I understand the Obama position:

1. Arm America's enemies with nuclear weapons.
2. Pile debt and regulation onto the economy.
3. Abandon allies. Destroy a century of middle east progress.
4. Federalize local police and begin thought control.
5. Victory!

Posted by: Mr. Hope's suitcase at July 21, 2016 08:49 AM (/m8T6)

243 Some here are like Jonah Goldberg in that it is more important to you to keep
your "conservative values" and thereby let Hillary win than to support
Trump.

I am sick of this shit. "Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough."

I voted for Cruz, back in the SC primary. But I just unsubsribed to his emails.

Cruz's butthurt about the slings is like Jonah Goldberg still being butthurt because Trump said that he couldn't afford a pair of pants.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 21, 2016 08:49 AM (4+VII)

244 Hey, I'm not saying your families did kill Kennedy. I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: Thing From Trump! Mountain at July 21, 2016 08:49 AM (gvSC+)

245 Cruz used the wrong time, the wrong place for that. It wasn't right

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:49 AM (cVvbj)

246 It would have been better if he said something like "if I have to chose between a West friendly despot and radical Islam, I chose the despot"
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:47 AM (cVvbj)
----------------

Except Erdogan isn't West friendly - he is both a despot and a backer of radical Islam. And Trump supports him and his purge.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (mFkVC)

247 Muldoon shuffled off this mortal coil? Yeesh, they're dropping like flies around here. We should just have a huge, multi-location wake for the entire AoSHQ commentator community and cover that base before somebody else goes TU.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (SEFXb)

248 It's laughable that politicians talk about "keeping your word."

I know, I know, Ted screwed the pooch.

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (2Mnv1)

249 Because it's obvious that saying not to stay home in November and to vote you conscience and support candidates who respect the Constitution is a failure to endorse Trump.

We must ensure Cruz knows what it's like to be the man who failed to show suffiecient grief at Kim Jung Il's funeral or at least the first man to stop applauding at a Stalin speech.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (BvGg6)

250 238 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:48 AM (zp+j1)

Dude, he was booed before he finished the speech because he did not use the word "endorse."

And again, 6 straight months of blood-libeling him and his entire family without even offering a sham apology is really the infamy here. Not what Ted Cruz said or did not say.

And nothing on G-d's green earth can convince me otherwise.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (27m1/)

251 I do not respond to people who support The FAB

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (zp+j1)

252 He congratulated Trump right at the beginning, No where in the speech does he even remotely suggest not to vote for Trump.
Posted by: spypeach at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (nyYhO)

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He endorsed Constitutionalism, the Bill of Rights, and voting your conscience. Trump supporters are very aware of how that reflects on Trump.
Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:25 AM (mFkVC)

The crowd was boo'ing and screaming over him for the last portion of the speech. They started a ruckus way before he got to the now famous line.

So tired of all of this. Grow up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (qCMvj)

253 Last time I checked Erdogan was housing two million Syrian refugees. Keeping them out of Europe.

So he's neither 100% good, nor 100% bad.

Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (ZnIt3)

254 Person

I know that. You don't need to "educate" me

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (cVvbj)

255 I don't know why everybody's got their panties in a wad. From what I've listened to so far, I didn't hear Ted Cruz say anything bad about Trump. Maybe if Trump wanted to get his endorsement, he shouldn't have trashed his wife and father the way he did. Trump doesn't get to run roughshod over everybody and then expect them to just fall in line. That's why we were angry at the GOP e, wasn't it?

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (cJDvr)

256 Grammie-

Here's a little history of the Brooklyn Tabernacle. I like their pastor. Their growth seems to be a work of God since they're faithful and prayerful biblically grounded.

God bless and have a good day.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (bpZlE)

257 232 Wow. Trump on Turkey. Wow

It would have been better if he said something like "if I have to chose between a West friendly despot and radical Islam, I chose the despot"

Would have been better if he'd have said,
"We're kicking Turkey out of NATO ASAP. But until then, we have to support a NATO ally".

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (3C84c)

258 With a bunch of bellowing buffoons and shrieking harridans booing and hissing at him, Trump is lucky that Cruz didn't tell that clown show of a convention what he really thought of them.

Posted by: Mongo at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (2cS/G)

259 253 Last time I checked Erdogan was housing two million Syrian refugees. Keeping them out of Europe.

So he's neither 100% good, nor 100% bad.
Posted by: free range conservative at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (ZnIt3)

He also has Incirlik surrounded - including about 30 thermonuclear warheads.

That definitely ain't good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (27m1/)

260 Can nobody on our side play this game?

I know TLR.

But, I had to get this off my chest.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2016 08:24 AM (HGtd0)

No, they can't. No republican seems to understand how politics works, so we get caught up in "principled conservatism" for whatever the hell that means. No one remembers their Bismark, or their Eisenhower, or their Machiavelli. So we get Cruz strapping on a political suicide bomb because Trump was mean to him. Wonderful. You want to get back at Trump? Wait until the tide turns your way and knife him when he's down. It's politics baby. Play to win.

Instead try to align yourself with a movement that couldn't bring any power to the table in Cleveland and make yourself look petulant-that'll work.

Posted by: Alex #11 at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (EUMt/)

261

JJ

Blood libel?

Come on. Let's all turn the temperature down

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (cVvbj)

262 I've seen four one-name trolls today and it's just the morning thread. The Russians/DemonRats/general assholes must really care about the HQ.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (SEFXb)

263 255 Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (cJDvr)

THIS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (27m1/)

264 >>Watching an archaeological program where they excavated a Roman fort in
the UK. They found a silver ring with a gem stone carved with an anchor
an a pair of fish, early Christian symbols.

Very cool!! Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (NOIQH)

265 196 I see some are still throwing out that bogus saw about a non-vote for Trump is a vote for Scankles. That is only true in a minority of States that are actually considered a "toss-up". The election projectors give ten States this election as "toss-ups". Personally I would throw out NH, PA, WI, and IO. Those States have not gone Republican in a long time. That means there are only 6 States where your vote really counts.

http://bit.ly/2abN0o1
Posted by: Vic We Have N
o Party at July 21, 2016 08:37 AM (mpXpK

The problem with that thinking is that it hurts the lower ballot races such as US Senate and House. Now, if you want the GOP to be destroyed and Dems having all 3 branches again. Then it's not a problem.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (voOPb)

266 255 I don't know why everybody's got their panties in a wad. From what I've listened to so far, I didn't hear Ted Cruz say anything bad about Trump. Maybe if Trump wanted to get his endorsement, he shouldn't have trashed his wife and father the way he did. Trump doesn't get to run roughshod over everybody and then expect them to just fall in line. That's why we were angry at the GOP e, wasn't it?
Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (cJDvr)

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He was insufficiently deferential towards Dear Leader.

#NotaCult

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (mC1ZI)

267 Whoops; Forgot the link, Grammie:

http://www.brooklyntabernacle.org/the-church

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (bpZlE)

268 261 JJ

Blood libel?

Come on. Let's all turn the temperature down
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (cVvbj)

Hyperbole to be sure. And I apologize for that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (27m1/)

269 Would have been better if he'd have said,
"We're kicking Turkey out of NATO ASAP. But until then, we have to support a NATO ally".
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (3C84c)
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Well, in the same article he basically hands the NATO-member Baltic states to Putin, so I don't think "supporting a NATO ally" matters much to him.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (mFkVC)

270 Ace put this best on his Twitter feed:

We had a jungle primary like in California. An actual Republican didn't make the top two. So now we are faced with choosing between two Democrats.

I'm fine with those, like Ace, who that say Trump is the lesser of two evils and Hillary must be stopped so they support him. I'm also fine (and so is Ace!) with people who say "screw it, I'm not voting for either."

No one one owes anyone anything. Trump supporters didn't owe Cruz or Rubio their vote had Cruz or Rubio won (and said so repeatedly). Cruz and Rubio supporters don't owe Trump anything.

So let's all just calm down.

Posted by: chris not rock at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (WO0/g)

271 Bwahahahaha

https://is.gd/L0WgB4

People are posting this as if it's real

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (TaJ8L)

272 ERDOGUN doesn't have nukes

Come on. Incirlik is a Turkish/Nato base. Turkish air force is there. Has always been there

Too much hysteria today

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (cVvbj)

273 265 The problem with that thinking is that it hurts the lower ballot races such as US Senate and House. Now, if you want the GOP to be destroyed and Dems having all 3 branches again. Then it's not a problem.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (voOPb)

======================

If I vote for Gary Johnson, but my local Republican representation (Mark Sanford for the curious), then no, it doesn't.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (mC1ZI)

274 nd again, 6 straight months of blood-libeling him and his entire family without even offering a sham apology is really the infamy here. Not what Ted Cruz said or did not say.

And nothing on G-d's green earth can convince me otherwise.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (27m1/)

it is my understanding that he did reach out to Cruz, but anyway, my sole focus is on defeating The FAB...everything else is secondary to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (zp+j1)

275 And again, 6 straight months of blood-libeling him and his entire family without even offering a sham apology is really the infamy here. Not what Ted Cruz said or did not say.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:50 AM (27m1/)

Thank you.

Would anyone endorse someone who treated his family that way? As far as I am concerned Cruz did the right thing by not trashing Trump but not endorsing him either. If he did after what he said about his family, what kind of man would that make him?

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (cJDvr)

276
#NotaCult
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (mC1ZI)

There's plenty of cultish thinking to go around this year. Don't think it all goes one way.

Posted by: B. Obama at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (cJDvr)

277 So from what I can see Trump read the Cruz speech then loaded the stage area with people ready to boo at the end of the speech... he then hits with a tweet. All orchestrated. What in the sam hell is the point of it? He's got the nomination, Cruz is a nothingburger at this point, let him say his speech and walk off, be done with it.

Unless Trump's goal is to lose the election and have a scapegoat that just so happens to be the one guy that's been fighting the democrats and establishment republicans the whole time. That young and bright bench that republicans had before going into this election? Every one of them has been attacked either fairly or unfairly by Trump and subsequently his supporters. They hurl "Reagan's 10th commandment" all over the place but they are just as bad if not worse. I get politics aint beanbag.. but that part is over - let it go, at the very least you need a strong Ted Cruz in the senate, unless of course that's not your plan at all.

What's worse is you have people patting themselves on the back for the job Trump did in "providing Ted the rope" to hang himself... it was a con job, they knew the speech, and they manufactured the reaction to blow it up. If you ask me - Trump is trying to destroy and fracture the republican party as much as possible, just as I"m coming around to vote for him - he pulls this crap and pushes me back to leaning toward him being a plant by Hillary.

Posted by: Reality Man at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (obXkJ)

278 I don't think Trump is a "sore winner" at all. Letting Cruz speak last night was clearly a gracious act. But Trump isn't running any kind of a campaign at all, and, oddly, he seems surprised when his own incompetence bites him in the ass. Like last night, when Cruz used the time Trump gave him to say "vote for Ted next time".

Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (/m8T6)

279 Hey, Grampa Jimbo: If I said it about your dad, would you be angry?

Maybe, on national TV? "I'm not saying he did, I'm just Asking Questions."

An Excellent Candidate, AND an Honorable Man. Brutus 2016.

Posted by: Thing From Trump! Mountain at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (gvSC+)

280 Enough convention crap. More fun to watch Nigel Farage once again kick the crap out of Amanpour on CNN this morning. She really is a dumb fuck.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 08:56 AM (/tuJf)

281 272 Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (cVvbj)

With SCOAMF in charge, anything is possible from any bad actor at any time.

30 loose H-Bombs with an Apologist-in-Chief and an American military that is arming up with transsexuals is cause for concern.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:56 AM (27m1/)

282 He also has Incirlik surrounded - including about 30 thermonuclear warheads.

That definitely ain't good.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:52 AM (27m1/)

the Nukes are 100% under US Control and don't "assume" they have not already been moved

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:56 AM (zp+j1)

283 I don't know if it will hurt in the general.

It was like picking a scab

The NATO comments are more troubling

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:57 AM (cVvbj)

284 270 No one one owes anyone anything. Trump supporters didn't owe Cruz or Rubio their vote had Cruz or Rubio won (and said so repeatedly). Cruz and Rubio supporters don't owe Trump anything.

So let's all just calm down.
Posted by: chris not rock at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (WO0/g)

=====================

I find it hard to get emotional about politics.

I just don't understand the personal element some people bring to the field.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:57 AM (mC1ZI)

285 Hey, a new nick. Maybe I'll try it out.

Posted by: An Excellent Candidate. An Honorable Man. Brutus 2016 at July 21, 2016 08:57 AM (gvSC+)

286 278 I don't think Trump is a "sore winner" at all. Letting Cruz speak last night was clearly a gracious act. But Trump isn't running any kind of a campaign at all, and, oddly, he seems surprised when his own incompetence bites him in the ass. Like last night, when Cruz used the time Trump gave him to say "vote for Ted next time".
Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (/m8T6)

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Trump was sort of backed into giving Cruz a slot, and did not do it graciously. Cruz told him days in advance he would not endorse, and Trump vetted Cruz's speech. Trump's team rallied the boos.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 08:57 AM (mFkVC)

287
Any predictions on the next disaster?

Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (pC96u)

288 278 I don't think Trump is a "sore winner" at all. Letting Cruz speak last night was clearly a gracious act. But Trump isn't running any kind of a campaign at all, and, oddly, he seems surprised when his own incompetence bites him in the ass. Like last night, when Cruz used the time Trump gave him to say "vote for Ted next time".
Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (/m8T6)

I invite you to do a little research on the 1976 campaign and listen to Mr. Reagan's speech and its aftermath. More importantly, dig into any of Craig Shirley's books and you will see the enmity between Reagan and Ford. The former never endorsed the latter and his speech laid out the future clearly and concisely. And memorably.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (27m1/)

289 Sock off

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (2cS/G)

290 "BTW, Trump has come out this morning in support of fucking over the Baltic states....."

Population of the United States. 330 Million.

Population of the E.U. 508 million.

Why can't they defend themselves?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (WVsWD)

291 If I vote for Gary Johnson, but my local Republican representation (Mark Sanford for the curious), then no, it doesn't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (mC1ZI)

Me, too. I'm voting down ballot. Right now, I'm not planning to vote for Trump. I'll probably write someone in. But you never know.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (cJDvr)

292 >>If you're raised under Islam, that IS your system of right and wrong.
The mental illness angle assumes that inside of all people is OUR system
of right and wrong.

Exactly!

If you apply Western standards and values to them, then a majority of them could be considered insane. They don't value life, Their status is based on honor, not shame, which leads to all sorts of awful things like throwing acid in girls' faces, murdering family members who have shamed the family, and gang-raping the sister of the guy who ran off with your sister. And then there's ISIS, who regularly performs the most beastly, horrifically violent acts on people - even their own - with glee and pride.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (NOIQH)

293 282 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 08:56 AM (zp+j1)

I hope so. I also hope the guys manning the base didn't have the same training as the guys captured by the Iranian Navy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:59 AM (27m1/)

294 276
#NotaCult
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (mC1ZI)

There's plenty of cultish thinking to go around this year. Don't think it all goes one way.
Posted by: B. Obama at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (cJDvr)

=====================

There always is (read about the elections of 1824 and 1828 for a good early American dose). It's just slightly heightened because that hashtag was used pretty consistently over the last 8 years in regards to Obama's fanbase. And now, some of those who used it most have fallen into the same trap as fans of Trump as Obama's fans had.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:59 AM (mC1ZI)

295 If I vote for Gary Johnson, but my local Republican representation (Mark Sanford for the curious), then no, it doesn't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (mC1ZI)

You are right in your situation.

But the odds are better that if someone doesn't plan to vote for president they aren't going to vote period.

Moron political junkies will, but the LIV and the like, not so much IMHO.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:59 AM (voOPb)

296
And Trump fans, many of whom act as if in a cult of personality, are upset because he DIDN'T make it about their man.

----

It's the fucking nomination. It IS about Trump.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (TaJ8L)

297

Nukes in Turkey, if there are any....would never be put in control of the turks

It's a dangerous time, but let's not get carried away

More like we leave Incirlik and the turks steal stuff

But not nukes

BTW, we leave turkey, that makes ERDOGUN nervous. Because Russia

Turkey might become more compliant

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (cVvbj)

298 I also hope the guys manning the base didn't have the same training as the guys captured by the Iranian Navy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:59 AM (27m1/)

Sigh, your right about that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (zp+j1)

299 291 If I vote for Gary Johnson, but my local Republican representation (Mark Sanford for the curious), then no, it doesn't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (mC1ZI)

Me, too. I'm voting down ballot. Right now, I'm not planning to vote for Trump. I'll probably write someone in. But you never know.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (cJDvr)

And vote for him on the conservative line. I think we can all agree on one guiding principle: FUCK the GOP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (27m1/)

300 Me, too. I'm voting down ballot. Right now, I'm not planning to vote for Trump. I'll probably write someone in. But you never know.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (cJDvr)
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I'm definitely voting down ballot, no matter how Trumpy the GOPe gets.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (mFkVC)

301 "So from what I can see Trump read the Cruz speech then loaded the stage
area with people ready to boo at the end of the speech... he then hits
with a tweet. All orchestrated."

have any thoughts on the moonlading ? Looks fakey to me, just saying...

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (c6/9Q)

302 "the Nukes are 100% under US Control and don't "assume" they have not already been moved"

Probably shipped them out two weeks ago, using DHL.

Who would suspect?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (ptqRm)

303 Ted Cruz tried to give a "Cross of Gold" speech. Didn't work out for him.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (rnH8X)

304 272 Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 08:54 AM (cVvbj)
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He does, or at least he used to and probably still does. NATO has delivered tactical nukes to five countries under a weapons "sharing" program and, last I heard, Turkey was one such beneficiary. They have nukes. Ours.

Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (/m8T6)

305 For all of those asking if Trump had attacked my family personally like that... etc.

I would not have "endorsed" but I wouldn't have taken out my revenge on him at the convention for Trump either. He's smarter than that.

Instead of trying to play all 3 voter blocks, or however many in the GOP, GOPe, Conservatives, AND get revenge, he could have acted Presidential without endorsing Trump outright.

It was like a Trojan Horse. Not the platform to do it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (qCMvj)

306 287
Any predictions on the next disaster?
Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (pC96u

Natural or man made?

My guess is something to do with that Religion of Peace and the shout of Open Snack Bar

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (voOPb)

307 have any thoughts on the moonlading ? Looks fakey to me, just saying...
Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (c6/9Q)
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Manafort basically admitted it.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (mFkVC)

308 Will the Baltic States be responsible for feeding, housing, clothing, supplying arms and ammunition for American Troops that defend them.

Will they be responsible for paying out the coming life insurance claims on any combat dead?

Of course not.

The U.S. Taxpayer will.

#defendurselfEU

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:03 AM (WVsWD)

309 291 Me, too. I'm voting down ballot. Right now, I'm not planning to vote for Trump. I'll probably write someone in. But you never know.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (cJDvr)

===================

I have the advantage of living in a very safe state, so my decision to vote against both Trump and Hillary (it's less a vote for Johnson than a vote against the other two) is pretty much empty posturing, and I know that.

I'd rather have Trump than Clinton, and if there are only two names on the ballot it becomes much more likely that I chose to actually cast a vote for Trump, but I'm just hoping that there's some Constitution Party Candidate I know nothing about who ends up on it as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:03 AM (+do1l)

310 And Trump fans, many of whom act as if in a cult of personality, are upset because he DIDN'T make it about their man.

----

It's the fucking nomination. It IS about Trump.
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (TaJ8L)

He was invited by Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 09:03 AM (qCMvj)

311 Enough convention crap. More fun to watch Nigel Farage once again kick the crap out of Amanpour on CNN this morning. She really is a dumb fuck.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 08:56 AM (/tuJf)

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What point was she trying to make? Nigel is waaaay out of her intellectual league.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 21, 2016 09:03 AM (U+nHb)

312
Whoa. Anyone see this?!

http://www.weaselzippers.us/284781-man-who-

threw-suspicious-ticking-package-into-police-car-in-custody-after-standoff/

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (27m1/)

313 Cruz didn't make any friends last night.
Posted by: Seems legit at July 21, 2016 07:49 AM (U+nHb)

He earned my undying respect for refusing to kneel before the sleazy, orange Zod and slimy Rancid Pubis.

I'm sure Ronald Reagan would've endorsed Ford if Ford had

-called him a liar
-cheater
- son of the man who killed JFK (!!!)
- smeared Nancy's looks.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (OJKE+)

314 I think I'll tune in to Beck this morning to see if he's still insane.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (1ZOkK)

315 As always, the media has focused on tiny things that don't matter, while totally ignoring the huge news that is world changing.

In Donald Trump Jr.'s speech, he opened the door to win a minimum of 30% of the black vote and probably 70% by election day.

Finally, a republican has figured out that if you attack the democrats on their Faustian bargain with the teacher's union, you can change the voting patterns of the country. Trump Jr. talked about how schools are designed to provide employment to the union, but don't educate the kids.

If the campaign focuses on this and starts tossing out the numbers - that the big cities spend $25K to $30K per year per kid and only one in five learn to read or write - the country will take notice.

Once inner city blacks understand that Trump wants to give them a choice and finally teach their kids to read and make change for a dollar, the wave of change will happen.

Only Trump can make the case that for all these years the democrats have been "playing" the black population to get votes while paying off the teacher's union.

Make it a conspiracy. That is what people understand.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (Zs4uk)

316 Listen

Incirlik works like this. It's a Nato base. It has a US commander, and a Turkish commander. Each leads their own. There is coordination on joint ops. But they do not share equipment, housing, facilities. They don't even share a flight line

Sometimes the turks would break into our hangars and steal stuff like tools

That's how it works. The worst case scenario is that we pick up and leave, and then it's just a Turkish base

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (cVvbj)

317 And Trump fans, many of whom act as if in a cult of personality, are upset because he DIDN'T make it about their man.

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hahahahaha....You do understand what conventions are for after the nomination has been made?

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (U+nHb)

318 Wait, did somebody say Cruz had a strap-on?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (97XyN)

319 290 Why can't they defend themselves?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (WVsWD)

================

Because they spent all their money on run down hospitals.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (mC1ZI)

320 Cruz was Invited to speak to his party. To the nation. Cruz had NO inherent right to speak his peace..he was invited, as it were, to Trump's Party.

Understandably, Cruz is still butt hurt due to total BS Trump laid on him.

But Cruz could, and should , have declined to speak--just as Jebito and Katshit did not show up.

Cruz destroyed his ability to get HIS people in a Trump admin..to have influence. In other words Cruz aided and abetted Hilary last night and if you doubt it look at the headlines in your local paper this am. ...ALL about Cruz. No/little mention of Pence --who is he?

Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (3ZttN)

321 >>My guess is something to do with that Religion of Peace and the shout of Open Snack Bar

Too easy. Guess the weapon at least.
My guess? Stabbing.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (NOIQH)

322 308 Will the Baltic States be responsible for feeding, housing, clothing, supplying arms and ammunition for American Troops that defend them.

Will they be responsible for paying out the coming life insurance claims on any combat dead?

Of course not.

The U.S. Taxpayer will.

#defendurselfEU
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:03 AM (WVsWD)
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Estonia, at least, is one of the few nations in NATO (5, I think) that has always met their obligations.

And you are really eager to watch Putin rebuild the Russian empire.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (mFkVC)

323 311
Enough convention crap. More fun to watch Nigel Farage once again kick
the crap out of Amanpour on CNN this morning. She really is a dumb fuck.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 08:56 AM (/tuJf)

I watched that. She was border-line hysterical. WTF is up with her?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (1ZOkK)

324 "All orchestrated."

So what? What is your point?

You saying Trump is a better politician and leader than Cruz? That Trump knows how to neutralize political enemies better than Cruz? That Trump is more qualified to be President than Cruz?

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (rnH8X)

325

Suns out.
Nice day.
Time for a hand-in-hand walk with my hubby.

Be good.

Don't forget to smell the roses.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (qCMvj)

326 Man it sure does suck that George Takei died.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:06 AM (SzZnW)

327 He does, or at least he used to and probably still does. NATO has delivered tactical nukes to five countries under a weapons "sharing" program and, last I heard, Turkey was one such beneficiary. They have nukes. Ours.
Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (/m8T6)

NO they do NOT control them. Nukes are stored on some US/NATO bases for political reasons. That reason being that there presence there under a "sharing" agreement would prevent the host country from going nuclear independently. It is a form of nuclear non-perliferation. But those Nukes at 100% under American Control. The ONLY control the host country has is to deny their use from their sole...but even that is FUBAR really, since who would stop us from using them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:06 AM (zp+j1)

328

People. If there are nukes in Turkey, we control them. Not the Turks

Stop the hysteria

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:06 AM (cVvbj)

329
Is there a link to the Farage beatdown of the bowl-cut Bolshevik?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:06 AM (27m1/)

330 295 You are right in your situation.

But the odds are better that if someone doesn't plan to vote for president they aren't going to vote period.

Moron political junkies will, but the LIV and the like, not so much IMHO.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:59 AM (voOPb)

=====================

Slightly related story:

I was a poll worker in 2012, helping people to work the electronic voting machines in SC. One old black lady came up, demanding to vote for Obama. I walker her to her machine, pointed out where Obama's name was, and asked her if she planned on voting for anyone else. She pretty much walked away.

I didn't fight her decision.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (mC1ZI)

331 305 For all of those asking if Trump had attacked my family personally like that... etc.

I would not have "endorsed" but I wouldn't have taken out my revenge on him at the convention for Trump either. He's smarter than that.

Instead of trying to play all 3 voter blocks, or however many in the GOP, GOPe, Conservatives, AND get revenge, he could have acted Presidential without endorsing Trump outright.

It was like a Trojan Horse. Not the platform to do it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (qCMvj)

Exactly. To be as charitable as possible, you could say the guy has a tin ear for politics. Do we forget him hitching a ride on AF1 with Obama to the Dallas "memorial?" Or aligning with Glen Beck?

Hey may be a Principled Conservative, but he's a shitty politician.

Posted by: Alex #11 at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (EUMt/)

332
Any predictions on the next disaster?
Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (pC96u

Natural or man made?

My guess is something to do with that Religion of Peace and the shout of Open Snack Bar
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (voOPb)
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Man-made. I watched (and participated) as the Cruz horse was flogged to death on 3 threads last night -- the art thread will probably make it 4, and Ace's first post of the day might make it 5 -- and I was thinking maybe we could use a nice refreshing change of subject by guessing what will have us all going next.

Unambiguous disasters such as a ROP attack are also welcome suggestions.

Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (pC96u)

333 People. If there are nukes in Turkey, we control them. Not the Turks

Stop the hysteria
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:06 AM (cVvbj)

Exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (zp+j1)

334 Instead of trying to play all 3 voter blocks, or however many in the GOP, GOPe, Conservatives, AND get revenge, he could have acted Presidential without endorsing Trump outright.

It was like a Trojan Horse. Not the platform to do it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 09:01 AM (qCMvj)

I've listened to the most of the speech. I don't see what the problem is unless there's something shocking coming in the last 3 minutes of it. He begged people to vote up and down ballot this November and to vote their conscience. Isn't that what people do when they both most of the time? Vote their conscience?

From what I've listened to so far, it was a good speech. I don't know why anyone would expect an outright endorsement.

Didn't Trump vet the speech beforehand.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (cJDvr)

335 324 Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (rnH8X)

Eh, I think Cruz's camp are fools if they think this Wile E Coyote Real Genius schtick is working....

If Cruz was not smart enough to see he was being handed rope and had to decide whether to make a rope bridge or noose it is not speaking to his political wisdom.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:08 AM (SzZnW)

336 Dear Ace Commenter friends,

If I disagree with you don't take it personally, I don't. I haven't name called or yelled, or even used capitals exclusively.

Just saying how I saw things.

I'm firmly in the, "pray like crazy that evil bitch doesn't become President" camp.

Sincerely,

seems legit

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 21, 2016 09:08 AM (U+nHb)

337 He was invited by Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 09:03 AM (qCMvj)

He was "invited" by Trump after Trump was informed that Cruz had the right to speak whether he liked it or not.

I suspect that pow-wow they had was a trade of a prime time slot in exchange for Ted not officially placing his name in nomination (which was also his right to do).

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 09:08 AM (9dfKD)

338 Didn't Trump vet the speech beforehand.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (cJDvr)

No..just saw it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:08 AM (zp+j1)

339 "is up with her? "

Cognitive dissonance. A lot of that on the left.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:08 AM (rnH8X)

340 "278 I don't think Trump is a "sore winner" at all. Letting Cruz speak last night was clearly a gracious act. But Trump isn't running any kind of a campaign at all, and, oddly, he seems surprised when his own incompetence bites him in the ass. Like last night, when Cruz used the time Trump gave him to say "vote for Ted next time".
Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 08:55 AM (/m8T6)

----------------

Trump was sort of backed into giving Cruz a slot, and did not do it graciously. Cruz told him days in advance he would not endorse, and Trump vetted Cruz's speech. Trump's team rallied the boos."

I said it above and I'll say it again. Cruz was small last night. I've lost a lot of respect for the man. Petty. Shallow. That't not the way you do things.

Trump, knowing he was going to be a shit-head let him do it.

That's the calling of a "bigger" person.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:08 AM (exDwb)

341 Trump was sort of backed into giving Cruz a slot, and did not do it graciously. Cruz told him days in advance he would not endorse, and Trump vetted Cruz's speech. Trump's team rallied the boos.

You know this how?

What actually happened was that speakers at the convention were generally required to endorse in exchange for the speaking slot. But Trump, in what I think was an olive branch, neither vetted nor insisted that Cruz follow the same requirements as other speakers. Trump's team didn't see the speech until a couple of hours before Cruz was scheduled to speak, and by then it was too late...he couldn't revoke the spot because the story would be all about thin skinned Trump.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (PFy0L)

342 That's some pretty fast back peddling Cruz is doing right now.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (Zs4uk)

343 Husband and son are off to ATL this afternoon for MIL's 92nd b-day. They're carrying all the food, the cake I made, and fresh peas I put up.

To the best of my knowledge, the three ATL sibs and their hell spawn aren't doing crap.

Anyhow, I have a sick kitteh I'll be taking to the vet this afternoon. She's developed an allergy to her meds, and I don't know what's next. Ugh.

Miss my family. Glad I'm not in the belly of the beast in ATL, though.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (1ZOkK)

344 Speaking of Turkey, is the power back on at our base there?

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (U+nHb)

345 I, for one, am sick of hearing about the Trump kids and how wonderful they are, bright future in politics, etc.... I am supporting Trump only because a Hillary presidency would be a disaster that would dwarf the last 8 years. I like idea of Melania as First Lady but that is all I want to see/hear of his family. I'm not in this to help start another political dynasty like the Kennedy's..

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (1BQGO)

346 328 Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:06 AM (cVvbj)

As I pointed out upthread, look who our C-in-C is, look what he has done to the morale, training and equipment of our armed forces since 2009. And pray that the guys guarding our H-Bombs did not have the same training as the guys captured by the Iranian Navy.

This is NOT the Reagan era military. Not to denigrate the dedication of those who wear the uniform, but a lot of things can go bad in a short time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (27m1/)

347 I don't know why everybody's got their panties in a wad. From what I've listened to so far, I didn't hear Ted Cruz say anything bad about Trump. Maybe if Trump wanted to get his endorsement, he shouldn't have trashed his wife and father the way he did. Trump doesn't get to run roughshod over everybody and then expect them to just fall in line. That's why we were angry at the GOP e, wasn't it?

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 08:51 AM (cJDvr)

I don't think it's that at all. At least, for me.

Check out my comment at 146.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (HGtd0)

348 321 >>My guess is something to do with that Religion of Peace and the shout of Open Snack Bar

Too easy. Guess the weapon at least.
My guess? Stabbing.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (NOIQH

Stabby things have been used lately.
My guess is firearm, perhaps a riffle.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 09:10 AM (voOPb)

349 >>What point was she trying to make? Nigel is waaaay out of her intellectual league.

He represents everything she hates. He is a conservative who believes in primacy of his own country over some multi culti merged government in Brussels.

Like her fellow liberals she thinks anyone who doesn't agree with her is not just stupid but evil.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 09:10 AM (/tuJf)

350 That's some pretty fast back peddling Cruz is doing right now.
Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (Zs4uk)

Well he got booed off the stage and Newt smacked him down pretty good. And it was reported many back stage had some choice words for him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:10 AM (zp+j1)

351 334 Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (cJDvr)

"Voting our conscience" when confronted with evil lock-step totalitarians is a luxury liberty can't much longer afford.

Yes, I'd have been happier if I were telling the Trump fans to bite the pillow rather than Cruz ones, but the people on the other side of this equation are getting ready to elect a woman who should be a 16,000 count felon.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:11 AM (SzZnW)

352 I've listened to the most of the speech. I don't see
what the problem is unless there's something shocking coming in the
last 3 minutes of it. He begged people to vote up and down ballot this
November and to vote their conscience. Isn't that what people do when
they both most of the time? Vote their conscience?

From what I've listened to so far, it was a good speech. I don't know why anyone would expect an outright endorsement.

Didn't Trump vet the speech beforehand.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:07 AM (cJDvr)

The problem is that Trump supporters either 1) wanted Cruz to be forced to tongue bath Trump or 2) don't believe that Trump was included in the rights supporting, constitution defending group that Cruz asked people to support.

I will leave it to you to suss out which Trump supporters fall under 1) and which fall under 2).

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 09:11 AM (9dfKD)

353
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:00 AM (27m1/)

J.J. you know I think you're a mensch. But if Cruz harbored a grudge against Donald for attacks that - let's be honest - were penny-ante compared to what the Dems would have unloaded on him, how would he have fared as the nominee?

Cruz could have simply pulled a !Jeb and stayed home. But he decided to stick one last finger in Trump's eye and step on Pence's night with his "vote your conscience" line. If that line isn't a shot of adrenaline to the NeverTrumpers, I'll eat my hat. And the Dems are already using Ted's speech to hammer Trump.

It was a petulant error he could have avoided. I wish he had. We have enough problems with Trump as the nominee to begin with.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:11 AM (X6fMO)

354 Trump's team rallied the boos.

You can keep saying it but it's been debunked by every reporter on the floor.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (s/EUv)

355 He earned my undying respect for refusing to kneel before the sleazy, orange Zod and slimy Rancid Pubis.

I'm sure Ronald Reagan would've endorsed Ford if Ford had

-called him a liar
-cheater
- son of the man who killed JFK (!!!)
- smeared Nancy's looks.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2016 09:04 AM (OJKE+)

I don't get why this is so hard to understand. I could see him ignoring the character assassination if he was being very magnanimous, but not the attack on his wife and dad, which were COMPLETELY unnecessary and insane.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (cJDvr)

356 This pledge. This pledge that 'all republican candidates' had to sign. Did it say 'endorse'? I always thought it said 'support'. I don't 'endorse' Trump either. But I will 'support' him.

Missed the speech last night damn it. But seeing Cruz speak on FF right now, and he is defending himself pretty well.

Posted by: RedDish at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (5eXg1)

357 Well he got booed off the stage and Newt smacked him down pretty good. And it was reported many back stage had some choice words for him
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:10 AM (zp+j1)
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I sure hope the establishment gets him into line.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (mFkVC)

358 "Well he got booed off the stage and Newt smacked him down pretty good. And it was reported many back stage had some choice words for him"

Deservedly. The man was an ass.

Kasich is smiling in relief today.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (exDwb)

359 but the people on the other side of this equation are getting ready to elect a woman who should be a 16,000 count felon.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:11 AM (SzZnW)

Let's not forget the misdemeanors as well.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (voOPb)

360 #324 "So what? What is your point?

You saying Trump is a better politician and leader than Cruz? That
Trump knows how to neutralize political enemies better than Cruz? That
Trump is more qualified to be President than Cruz?
"

What does it matter at this point? What's he going to win? He's already got the nomination - is there some other goal that Trump has in mind by politicking his way with orchestrated crowd responses and tweets with Ted Cruz?

It does nothing to further his candidacy for president at this point. All it does is open the riff between people that didn't vote for him in the primary.

It's like the guy is trying to lose the election - then set up the excuse.

Posted by: Reality Man at July 21, 2016 09:13 AM (obXkJ)

361 But Trump might be the better man.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 21, 2016 08:05 AM (qCMvj)

Not even if he was the last man on earth.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2016 09:13 AM (OJKE+)

362 "Didn't Trump vet the speech beforehand."

Vetting a speech is (Fascist, Communist, Socialist,Democratic Party, Corporatism, Collectivism) and sign of a fragile organization.

"Let me see it so that I can know where your coming from but say whatever you want to say".

If they don't let me see it first then they are stabbing me in the back.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:13 AM (Bbcs8)

363
It's amazing to me how different people can have such diametrically opposed perceptions of people and events.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:13 AM (27m1/)

364

JJ

Love you like a brother but what I wrote at 316 and 328 is exactly how it works. I served under Clinton and Bush. That's how it works. That some how it works. Turks do not have, control or deploy nukes. Ever

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:14 AM (cVvbj)

365 So...apparently the Secret Service is seriously f'd up - much worse than the hooker scandal:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j4b2ya4

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:14 AM (NOIQH)

366 288 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 08:58 AM (27m1/)
--------------------------------------------------

It was a great speech though from Reagan, and it began with effusive thanks to Ford and made reference to Ford and the heavily Reagan- influenced GOP platform interchangeably throughout the short text. Closing at the end with his famous "there is no substitute for victory!" line, I doubt there was a Ford or Reagan delegate there who thought anything other than "we are going to war against the Democrats together!".

Ted achieved nothing like that last night-- he misread the crowd, he left a clear demarcation between the two candidates and he seemed enough tone-deaf that I honestly think even his most partisan supporters are looking at him a little sideways today.

Having said that, I fully agree with Chique and think Trump is basically at fault for not making peace successfully. And apologizing for calling Heidi crazy and Rafael part of the Kennedy assassination crew. The "Lying Ted" stuff was juvenile enough to forgive, but wife and father....

This is one of Trumps major challenges in bringing the party together for this election: like Obama, he wants "I won" to be the unifying force, when instead it is necessary to go and apologize. It was so personal an attack, and so mean and non-political, that the apology has to be equal to the insult. Since Trump is a Democrat, basically, and kind of a neophyte, he needs to cultivate some goodwill with his own side. He can still do it, but time is sliding by.

Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 09:14 AM (/m8T6)

367 "Voting our conscience" when confronted with evil lock-step totalitarians is a luxury liberty can't much longer afford.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:11 AM (SzZnW)

You can always vote your conscience. For example your conscience might tell you that although Trump is a disaster show, he is much better than Hilary because she would destroy the country. Your conscience could also tell you that Trump is the best thing to ever happen to America.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (cJDvr)

368 "And you are really eager to watch Putin rebuild the Russian empire."

That is something that the EU should be worried about. They should actually try ant meet that 2% of GDP on their own defense. Rarely if ever do they meet it.

Instead they are tearing apart their defense to pay for mooslamic immigration. They will not defend themselves.

Why should we? Because there aren't enough dead American Soldiers already buried under european soil?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (WVsWD)

369
My guess is something to do with that Religion of Peace and the shout of Open Snack Bar

Too easy. Guess the weapon at least.
My guess? Stabbing.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:05 AM (NOIQH)
-----------------------

What have we had in the past year? Stabbing, axe attack, truck hitting people, mass shooting -- have we had a bomb in the West recently? I can't remember.

I agree that the next incident will involve something other than a gun or explosive.

Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (pC96u)

370 Cruz speaking to the Texas delegation this morning.

First he implied he was voting for Trump and now he says he's going to "wait and listen".

WTF

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (Zs4uk)

371 "But he decided to stick one last finger in Trump's eye and step on Pence's night with his "vote your conscience" line. If that line isn't a shot of adrenaline to the NeverTrumpers, I'll eat my hat. "

Preaching a sermon.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (exDwb)

372 In related news we have obtained some preview footage of Hillary's acceptance speech at the Dem Convention in Philly next week:

http://tinyurl.com/jsadgl8

Posted by: Seamus M. at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (NeFrd)

373 Beck is LYING HIS ASS OFF right now. Saying Trump offered to put Kasich in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Don, Jr. was on Morning Joe and called that an absolute fallacy.

Now Beck is quoting Eric Erickson.

Can't listen to him any more.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (1ZOkK)

374 What actually happened was that speakers at the
convention were generally required to endorse in exchange for the
speaking slot. But Trump, in what I think was an olive branch, neither
vetted nor insisted that Cruz follow the same requirements as other
speakers. Trump's team didn't see the speech until a couple of hours
before Cruz was scheduled to speak, and by then it was too late...he
couldn't revoke the spot because the story would be all about thin
skinned Trump.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 21, 2016 09:09 AM (PFy0L)

It was not an olive branch... the minute that Cruz reached the 8 state threshold for nomination, he was guaranteed a speaking slot. Further, I have seen no evidence that Trump is even capable of non-pettiness.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (9dfKD)

375 The handful of Cruzbots please do us all a favor and vote for Hillary. We don't fucking need you and your butthurt whining is getting old.

Piss off, Joe.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 09:16 AM (evdj2)

376 Smart, savvy, well informed Ama... Ameri... Americans trust Hillary! >HIC!<

[leans over to vomit cheap wine on sidewalk]

Posted by: HoBox Henry boards the voting bus at July 21, 2016 09:16 AM (iU9Qe)

377 Hmm. And a couple of folks I know wonder why I don't give a rat's behind about any "conventions" and such...

Seems that I missed out, and that's a good thing. Slept well, too.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 21, 2016 09:16 AM (C9pBZ)

378 Cruz speaking to the Texas delegation this morning.

First he implied he was voting for Trump and now he says he's going to "wait and listen".

WTF

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (Zs4uk)

So it wasn't quite the walkback you thought it was?

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 09:16 AM (9dfKD)

379 "First he implied he was voting for Trump and now he says he's going to "wait and listen".

WTF"

He's shown his ass, like so many that disappoint. Let's not be so surprised.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (exDwb)

380 Cruz picked the scab. In public. Not smart, for a smart man

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (cVvbj)

381 "ruz speaking to the Texas delegation this morning.

First he implied he was voting for Trump and now he says he's going to "wait and listen".

WTF

lol

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (c6/9Q)

382 It's amazing to me how different people can have such diametrically opposed perceptions of people and events.

People like what they like and we're all homers.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (evdj2)

383 First he implied he was voting for Trump and now he says he's going to "wait and listen".

WTF
Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (Zs4uk)

Yeah I don't think he gets how bad this is making him look

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (zp+j1)

384 The Obama Administration lied to the American people. The Obama State Department deleted the video where it admitted the lie to cover-up the deceit.

But now - in breaking news - the Obama Administration intentionally deceived Congress about the Iran nuclear deal. This bombshell revelation shows that Iran's pathway to a nuclear bomb is 6 months - not one year.

From the ACLJ

Great-Iran will have a bomb in six months.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (bpZlE)

385 Let's not forget the misdemeanors as well.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 09:12 AM (voOPb)
===========================

Haha....so fucking right.

Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (/m8T6)

386 Never been more proud of a politician than last night with Cruz. Standing for what you believe in when faced with blistering opposition takes balls. Good for him.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (2PHKP)

387 That is something that the EU should be worried about. They should actually try ant meet that 2% of GDP on their own defense. Rarely if ever do they meet it.

Instead they are tearing apart their defense to pay for mooslamic immigration. They will not defend themselves.

Why should we? Because there aren't enough dead American Soldiers already buried under european soil?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (WVsWD)
----------------

Because if Putin succeeds, at some point there will be dead American soldiers anyway - and a whole lot more of them.

The idea has always been to fight them over there so we don't fight them here.

And again, Estonia, a Baltic state, does meet its obligations. So you might want to temper your isolationism there.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (mFkVC)

388 I just don't see what any of this has to do with Kim Kardashian's ass.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (97XyN)

389 367 Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (cJDvr)

We need to steel ourselves to stop the 2d tyrant in a row, not act like emos who think our vote is an exercise in religious affirmation.

We are voting on which unethical retard runs the show that is it.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (SzZnW)

390 It's rare that you see a politician commit political suicide in front of a national audience. Cruz is cooked.

Posted by: bjk at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (x2rNW)

391 You know what I'd like to see? Trump becoming a mensch by making a humble apology to Ted Cruz, understanding why he did not "endorse" him, etc., and offering a real olive branch for the sake of the party.

It would make him the better man and go a long way. Would make me reevaluate his character as well.

My 2 cents.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (27m1/)

392 Never been more proud of a politician than last
night with Cruz. Standing for what you believe in when faced with
blistering opposition takes balls. Good for him.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (2PHKP)
too bad he did not have those balls when it counted, like on the Iran vote

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (c6/9Q)

393 390 It's rare that you see a politician commit political suicide in front of a national audience. Cruz is cooked.
Posted by: bjk at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (x2rNW)

You may one day eat those words, my friend.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (27m1/)

394 Beck is LYING HIS ASS OFF right now. Saying Trump offered to put Kasich in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Don, Jr. was on Morning Joe and called that an absolute fallacy.

Now Beck is quoting Eric Erickson.

Can't listen to him any more.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:15 AM (1ZOkK)

Are you sure Beck is lying rather than Don. Jr.? Kasich had some sort of inducement to stay in the race. It obviously wasn't blind ego since he dropped out as soon as Cruz did.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (9dfKD)

395 384 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (bpZlE)

That's too bad you'd hope it was the last week of October.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (SzZnW)

396
What point was she trying to make? Nigel is waaaay out of her intellectual league.
--------------------

The last time I watched Amanpour, Daniel Hannan was talking to her. It was a simultaneous shout-fest and I couldn't hear what either one was saying. I think I'll skip the Farage interview and take your word that she was a idiot and he pwned her.

Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (pC96u)

397 So the Baton Rouge shooter converted to Islam in 2013 ?

Funny how that often leads to blood in the streets.

http://tinyurl.com/hr9nyas

Posted by: McCool at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (nCSwS)

398 "What's he going to win?"

The Presidency?

Cruz would be relived of duty in a military organization.

Trump effectively relived Cruz of duty in a political environment.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (Bbcs8)

399 Well let me put it this way to the Cruz folks -

You don't have to worry about 2020, because the country will be fundamentally done by 2020. So unless Cruz has some skills outside of speechifying, like a understanding of how to win a civil war with a country in the hands of Communists and Islamists. I am not going to follow the modern low rent version of Cato the Younger off the cliff.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 21, 2016 09:20 AM (KhJh8)

400 375 The handful of Cruzbots please do us all a favor and vote for Hillary. We don't fucking need you and your butthurt whining is getting old.

Piss off, Joe.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 09:16 AM (evdj2)

==================

Shhhh...He's showing us how to bring people together in a common goal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:20 AM (mC1ZI)

401 I just don't see what any of this has to do with Kim Kardashian's ass.

We may have found a bigger one last night.

Posted by: Kent at July 21, 2016 09:20 AM (iLoHX)

402 >>What have we had in the past year? Stabbing, axe attack, truck hitting
people, mass shooting -- have we had a bomb in the West recently? I
can't remember.

Brussels airport.
Also airport in Turkey.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:20 AM (NOIQH)

403 Tomorrow's Convention News, Written Yesterday.

Posted by: Corrupt Media at July 21, 2016 09:20 AM (Jh20h)

404 "My 2 cents."

Administers smelling salts. And Kung-Pao chicken.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (exDwb)

405 Again - Trump for whatever reason is looking backwards instead of forwards. He's got the nomination - why at this point pick a fight with people you need to vote for you? For all the "Trump is so clever and smart" - that may be true but it depends on what his goal is. If winning a presidential election is his goal, then he's doing it wrong. However, if it's losing with an excuse and people to blame - well then he found his target in Ted Cruz and his supporters.

It's a two for win for Hillary and the democrats - they get the WH and they get a conservative scalp. Trump's silly tweets about "Crooked Hillary" have been nice, but if he fails to hit her hard during the debates - and then loses and blames the NeverTrump nonsense that he and his supporters continue to antagonize, he'll be exactly what was said about him early - a plant.

Posted by: Reality Man at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (obXkJ)

406 I think that I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that Ted is not the political vessel for conservative hopes. He's apparently more like a low-budget Thomas Sowell. Correct on his positions but no politician. He could have easily finessed the Trump endorsement last night but his political instincts are all wrong.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (evdj2)

407 This is all genius Kabuki theater. Trump knew of this speech ahead of time and was fine with it. He knew that it would position him as the benevolent uniter...."Look, I invited this man to my convention and still he spit on me. They are all against me but I will do what I must to bring us together in spite of their misguided ire!"...
And he still gets to take the spotlight back when he walks into the auditorium while Ted is speaking. Genius.
As for Ted? This was his best play...and possibly the best play for the party. If he just came out and gave a full throated endorsement of Donnyboy, he would be seen as selling out the hard core conservative wing. He would be "establishment". Now, 4 (or maybe 8 but I think 4) years from now, he will be able to keep those people under his wing and in the tent of conservatives.

This has been the most WWE convention ever...villains, props, hot chicks...Love it and Trump is winning this going away.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (1H9ox)

408 Cruz managed the impossible, he made Trump look sympathetic and gracious (for letting him speak).

Posted by: bjk at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (x2rNW)

409 Trump doesn't need Cruz' endorsement to win. He's got fabulous vote totals and a luxurious campaign. He said he's going to do so much winning that everyone will get sick of winning.

So Cruz only hurt himself, which shouldn't matter to any Trump supporter, because he's unimportant. If Cruz torpedoed his career, so be it. I'd rather he be able to look himself in the mirror.

Shits all going tits up any way, Hillary or Trump.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (2PHKP)

410 Will someone *please* give Michelle Obama the love and attention she desperately craves? She's now done "Carpool Karaoke" w/James Corden.
Sad.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (NOIQH)

411 404 "My 2 cents."
Administers smelling salts. And Kung-Pao chicken.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (exDwb)

Oddly enough, I've never seen Kung Pao chicken in NYC. Must be a west coast thing?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:22 AM (27m1/)

412
Great-Iran will have a bomb in six months.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 09:17 AM (bpZlE)
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Exactly the remainder of Obama's term.

He throws gasoline all over the country for eight years, then tosses in a lit cigarette butt on his way out.

Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 09:22 AM (pC96u)

413 We are voting on which unethical retard runs the show that is it.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (SzZnW)

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That's how I see it. And I don't want Hillary's kind of retard running things.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (U+nHb)

414 Turkey has had several terrorist attacks

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (cVvbj)

415 Are you sure Beck is lying rather than Don. Jr.?
Kasich had some sort of inducement to stay in the race. It obviously
wasn't blind ego since he dropped out as soon as Cruz did.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 21, 2016 09:19 AM (9dfKD)

Beck is certifiable. He'd be perfectly happy to see Hillary! as president, just to prove a point. And yes, I believe Don Jr. over crybaby.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (1ZOkK)

416 We need to steel ourselves to stop the 2d tyrant in a row, not act like emos who think our vote is an exercise in religious affirmation.

We are voting on which unethical retard runs the show that is it.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (SzZnW)

Please read my comment again.

Your own conscience is telling you to vote for Trump. That is fine.

But you make big assumptions about people who have made a different decision, that they are just being petty and emotional. Whatever, you're entitled to that. (I hope you aren't one of the people who said they would never vote for Jeb/Rubio, though.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (cJDvr)

417 villains, props, hot chicks..."

Hmm.

*thinks about watching a bit of the convention*

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (C9pBZ)

418 413 We are voting on which unethical retard runs the show that is it.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:18 AM (SzZnW)

-----

That's how I see it. And I don't want Hillary's kind of retard running things.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (U+nHb)

===================

Remember, there are a variety of third parties to chose from as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (mC1ZI)

419
I just don't see what any of this has to do with Kim Kardashian's ass.

What did Kanye say now?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (X6fMO)

420
What have we had in the past year? Stabbing, axe attack, truck hitting
people, mass shooting -- have we had a bomb in the West recently? I
can't remember.

Brussels airport.
Also airport in Turkey.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:20 AM (NOIQH)
---------------------

::smacks head::

DUH! The incidents pile up so.

Posted by: iforgot at July 21, 2016 09:24 AM (pC96u)

421 It was not an olive branch... the minute that Cruz reached the 8 state threshold for nomination, he was guaranteed a speaking slot. Further, I have seen no evidence that Trump is even capable of non-pettiness.

*A* slot...which could have been at 11:00am EST.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 21, 2016 09:24 AM (PFy0L)

422 Never been more proud of a politician than last
night with Cruz.

Standing for what you believe in when faced with blistering opposition takes balls. Good for him.

Posted by: AlaBAMA

So the he AGREES with Beck when it comes to handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to illegals crossing the border.

Good to know.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 09:24 AM (3C84c)

423 "converted to Islam"

Problem with islam is that it is the religion officially (but secretly) supported by the US Federal Government. Religion of thugs and thuggery.

At one time the KKK was a state supported religion in some states. Unions are state supported religions in some states. And so on and so forth.

People who want to kill seek out their excuse. People who want to use those people work to ban the death penalty.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:24 AM (rnH8X)

424 Well, Chris Christy criticized Ted's speech on the TV afterwards, which I thought was pretty rich, considering what Christy did at the 2012 convention, and afterwards.

Politics is made up of people in political parties. They aren't robots. As I read somewhere else this morning, Ted is supposed to be a very smart man, so I assume he knew what he was doing.

I am actually much more amused at the preening moral pontification of posters here who are so morally shocked at what a turrible, turrible person Donald Trump is. Goodness, he's just AWFUL.

I think some of you must not have much interaction with the rest of the human race, and especially real politicians.
Here's clue; most of them are pretty weird, egotistical people. Trump is frankly a little more out in front with it, which to me, is almost refreshing. Having actually known professional politicians and what obnoxious jackwagons most of them are (from both parties), we should all be shocked, SHOCKED, that Trump is such an obvious boorish oaf.

Cry me a river.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at July 21, 2016 09:25 AM (RFeQD)

425

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2016 09:25 AM (1BQGO)

426 History is littered with the heads of those who refused to pay fealty to the king. History is also littered with the corpses of those who did.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:25 AM (2PHKP)

427 Well there it is. It's not about conservative principles, it's personal.

super

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 09:26 AM (/tuJf)

428 Cruz never played sports did he. it shows.

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:26 AM (c6/9Q)

429 Mornin' Horde. Serious heartburn this morning from last night's events.

Operation Final Trump is off the rails. I'm in post-mortem on it now, but it looks like the GOPe chose to adapt rather than self-immolate. If only we could have forced that with a better candidate...but we fight with the weapons at hand, sadly.

Cruz' stand last night might be principled, but I suspect he is failing the "shrewd as serpents" test. Combined with what I saw late in the campaign I'm in the bizarre situation of rethinking my Cruz support before my Trump support (tepid as the latter may be). Somethin' not right with that man and it's bugging me.

Meanwhile, the Horde has graduated from circular firing squad to simply calling airstrikes on itself. I do not consider this an improvement.

Having to watch over dad is getting in the way of all the drinking I should be doing to cope with this shit.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:26 AM (9krrF)

430 Imagine you're in front of a crowd giving a speech. Behind you, on a JumboTron, is a running display of all your internal thoughts; a requirement for any speaker in public. (the science is almost within reach, just go with it willya?)

Here's what one minute's worth of my internal thoughts might look like:

Fuck I hate giving speeches. Scares the shit out of me every damn time.

I'm getting plowed after this is over.

Whoa! Nice rack on that gal in the second row left. I'm a leftie today.

These shoes are killing my feet.

The tranquilizers AIN'T working.

The JumboTron is killing me, I HATE that damn thing. Hey, where'd everyone get rotten tomatoes from? I want my mommy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 21, 2016 09:26 AM (gyKtp)

431 @373 Jane D'oh If Kasich is offered a position in a Trump presidency, we would have the answer to that.

Posted by: RedDish at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (5eXg1)

432 Wow.

Cruz just declared war

I won't thank hI'm when Hillary is president

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (cVvbj)

433 ...and if you doubt it look at the headlines in your local paper this am. ...ALL about Cruz. No/little mention of Pence --who is he?

--

And this is kinda where I'm at, and why I was disappointed. Ted would've had to have known how his words were going to be played out in the media aftermath. And here we are.

I do understand how he must've struggled with an official endorsement. Donald Trump really pi$$ed me off during the primaries with his ridiculous attacks, the Lyin' Ted stuff and worst of all, the childish side-by-sides of Melania and Heidi. No doubt about it, it was abhorrent. He gave a great speech last night. But nobody will remember anything about it, hear anything about it, or hear about any other highlights of other good speeches either. The MFM have landed on the lack of an official endorsement like flies on a pile of crap. And Cruz didn't have to give them that ammunition, knowing what would likely happen if he didn't. He didn't have to kiss Donald's ring, but a simple vote for Trump over Hillary would've sufficed.

You can damned well bet that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will fully endorse the Hildabeast at her convention, despite their differences.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (+FSld)

434 Cruz managed the impossible, he made Trump look sympathetic and gracious (for letting him speak).
Posted by: bjk at July 21, 2016 09:21 AM (x2rNW)

Then Trump supporters should be happy. They can continue to bash Cruz while getting the victim sympathy vote.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (HnB/8)

435
**pushes egg cream through USB for J.J.**

We'll agree to disagree on this, I think, J.J.

Let's just hope that next week Scankles lets her inner Margaret Hamilton out on national TV and we can talk about that instead.

L'chaim!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (X6fMO)

436 416 Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (cJDvr)

Anyone who gets a case of "conscience" that allows democrats to set up our eating a nuke needs a support group.

That is the stakes in play, the rest is noise.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (SzZnW)

437 422 So the he AGREES with Beck when it comes to handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to illegals crossing the border.

Good to know.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 09:24 AM (3C84c)

===================

You should never be nice to people who are here illegally, even through private donations.

Because optics.

Optics trumps basic humanity.

Got it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (mC1ZI)

438 As for Ted? This was his best play...and possibly the best play for the party. If he just came out and gave a full throated endorsement of Donnyboy, he would be seen as selling out the hard core conservative wing. He would be "establishment". Now, 4 (or maybe 8 but I think 4) years from now, he will be able to keep those people under his wing and in the tent of conservatives.

Ted Cruz could have played it by saying exactly what a lot of us are saying here:

"Hey, Trump wasn't my first choice, my second choice, or even my fourth choice back February. But today, in the here and now, he is THE choice. The important thing here is to stop Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump is the man to do it which is why I'll be voting for him in November and I urge you to do the same."

He could have gone that way and made clear that in this case, pragmatism has to come before nobly sinking with the USS Principle.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (PFy0L)

439 "Oddly enough, I've never seen Kung Pao chicken in NYC. Must be a west coast thing?"

Sorry.

*Looks at Panda Express menu*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (exDwb)

440 Meanwhile, the Horde has graduated from circular firing squad to simply calling airstrikes on itself. I do not consider this an improvement.

--

Very true.

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (7lVbc)

441 So unless Cruz has some skills outside of speechifying, like a understanding of how to win a civil war with a country in the hands of Communists and Islamists.

Like how to run a country once a state secedes.
Sam Houston he's not.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (3C84c)

442

Burning it down, Ted Cruz

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (cVvbj)

443 "Never been more proud of a politician than last
night with Cruz."

When Cruz does something you find despicable you will understand why politicians have a bad name. Talking purty is a requirement for the job.

What did Cruz say that you were so proud of?
(not snark)

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (rnH8X)

444 Per Cruz's communication guy (didn't catch his name) on Morning Joe today, Cruz let Trump know that he would not endorse him. Told him when they met face to face 10 days ago, and again 2 days ago. Trump also saw Cruz practice the speech yesterday, so he knew the content. No one was burned or set up, they both made informed decisions. Kabuki theater, 3-D chess, whatever.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (NOIQH)

445 Ted is supposed to be a very smart man, so I assume he knew what he was doing.

He's Sheldon Cooper.

Posted by: Kent at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (iLoHX)

446 Seriously Ted, just shut your damn mouth and go away for a few days. Honestly. He is making it look like all the bad things people say about him are true.

Posted by: Eli Cash at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (55IMs)

447 Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (+FSld

Did Hillary go after Bernie's wife and accuse his father of assisting in the assassination of a President?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (HnB/8)

448 Hi folks Grin Breck here...do you like Kleenex?

God knows I'm a pro on tissue qualities what if I told you you could blow your nose on bullion?

//Grin Breck

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (SzZnW)

449 It turns out people DID want political kabuki. They just wanted it louder. and ruder. And masking policies that are even less Conservative.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:30 AM (mFkVC)

450 Does anyone really think Trump will be making most of the decisions? He has Newt and Sessions advising him and, I believe, those will be the voices that are heard. That is for whom I am casting my vote.

Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:30 AM (QZdJj)

451 432 Wow.

Cruz just declared war

I won't thank hI'm when Hillary is president
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (cVvbj)

==================

If you think Hillary will win because Cruz didn't explicitly support Trump, then your understanding of presidential elections seems, well, thin. At best.

Also, you seem to have very little faith in Trump to break the mold (with the backing of the GOPe).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:30 AM (mC1ZI)

452 Soooo....with all the drama and gnashing of teeth this week regarding the convention....By a factor of what will the viewership outpace that of the Democrat convention? 2,3,4?

The buildup has been fantastic. The number of people who have never watched the acceptance speech of any nominee, much less a Republican one, that will watch this one will be astronomical.

There is no bad publicity. Trump is going to come out of this with a huge boost.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 21, 2016 09:30 AM (1H9ox)

453 Let's just hope that next week Scankles lets her inner Margaret Hamilton out on national TV and we can talk about that instead.

L'chaim!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (X6fMO)

Most people really haven't had to listen to her cheese-grater-on-the eardrums voice yet. Starting next week they'll be hearing it non-stop until November. Might dampen whatever lingering enthusiasm there is for her.

Posted by: Gran at July 21, 2016 09:30 AM (XIXhw)

454 :pokes head in:

:waits for art thread:

Posted by: josephistan at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (7HtZB)

455 "So the he AGREES with Beck when it comes to handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to illegals crossing the border.

Good to know.

Posted by: rickb223"

Well, we're all in the same state. Having the same reaction. Something is awry.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (exDwb)

456 "calling airstrikes"

I'm not seeing the airstrikes. Do I just run with a tough verbal crowd or is there something I'm missing?

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (rnH8X)

457 He's Sheldon Cooper.
Posted by: Kent at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (iLoHX)

I have wondered if there is an element of that based on how he seems to rub men he works with the wrong way.

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (7lVbc)

458 The thought that Kasich would be offered anything in a Trump administration is pretty laughable at this point.

The prissy bitch wouldn't even come to his party's convention 120 miles from his house in his own state. Criminy, what a loser.

I know him slightly, and frankly he is actually becoming more unhinged every year. He didn't use to be like this; he used to be a lot more likable. I actually wonder if early dementia is setting in.

Kasich is term-limited out in 2018 as governor, and he may just retire. He may have thoughts about running against Sherrod Brown as Senator, but I would never vote for him again. What a putz he has become.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (RFeQD)

459 >>There is no bad publicity.

Ted Cruz seems to be testing your theory.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (/tuJf)

460 >>Let's just hope that next week Scankles lets her inner Margaret Hamilton out on national TV and we can talk about that instead.

Lena Dunham is speaking - hope Ace can get out a snarky post on that.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (NOIQH)

461 448 Hi folks Grin Breck here...do you like Kleenex?

God knows I'm a pro on tissue qualities what if I told you you could blow your nose on bullion?

//Grin Breck
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (SzZnW)

Darn-it Sven, there went the coffee

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (voOPb)

462 28

Cruz's was great, sans the one line at the end. Otherwise, strong conservative speech.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

Aside from that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2016 09:31 AM (kfcYC)

463 The GOPe is going to do sex to you.

Posted by: artist at July 21, 2016 09:32 AM (TwnkX)

464 Cruz is getting criticized by a woman in the crowd who voted for him. And she's getting applause.

I voted for him, and was a huge supporter, and dragged myself kicking and screaming over to Trump.

He's our candidate now, and I'll do whatever I can do to assure that the Hell Beast loses. I don't ever want another parent to have a child serve under a POS socialist bastard. And I don't want this country my family has fought for all the way back to the Revolution, fundamentally changed any more than it has been.

Cruz is campaigning for himself.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:32 AM (1ZOkK)

465 450 Does anyone really think Trump will be making most of the decisions? He has Newt and Sessions advising him and, I believe, those will be the voices that are heard. That is for whom I am casting my vote.
Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:30 AM (QZdJj)

=================

He also has Mike "Please don't say anything bad about my, LGBT community" Pence as his Vice President.

And the guy from Goldman Sachs as his Sec. of Treasury.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:32 AM (mC1ZI)

466 437 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (mC1ZI)

Feeding Donkey agitprop is seldom a winning move....

this nation will either be Muslim, or Latin by the time my grandsons are my age.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (SzZnW)

467 Maybe Cruz swore to himself/his family that he would never vote for Trump because of Trump's lowlife attacks on his wife and father, and is slowly trying to get to a point where he can rethink that, not quite there yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (2cS/G)

468 It's the fucking nomination. It IS about Trump.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (TaJ8L)

True.

But when was the last time you looked at a Republican doing....anything!....and thought, "Hmmm, nice move. Smart guy!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Zu3d9)

469 I'm no Trump supporter, but if it's Hillary or Trump AND ALL THAT COMES ALONG WITH THEM, then pulling the lever for Trump and hoping for the best is a no-brainer. We can't take 8 or even 4 more years of The Progressive Destruction of America. Never Trumpers are now seriously embarrassing themselves. The time for histrionics has long passed. Shut your mouths, divert your eyes from the Trump Show, and vote against Hillary in November. Otherwise, just call yourselves Democrats and start burning flags and pining for more cop killings.

Posted by: Binary Bill at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Jh20h)

470 Quite unrelatedly and unexpectedly, I just got an email from Ted Cruz that says "the fight goes on" and could I please send some $

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (7lVbc)

471 Never in a thousand years did I think Ted freakin' Cruz would become the Herald of LIB, but here we are.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:34 AM (9krrF)

472 Maybe Cruz swore to himself/his family that he would
never vote for Trump because of Trump's lowlife attacks on his wife and
father, and is slowly trying to get to a point where he can rethink
that, not quite there yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (2cS/G)

you get upset when boxers call each other names too ?

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:34 AM (c6/9Q)

473 :pokes head in:

:waits for art thread:"

Keep waiting. And keep your head down.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 21, 2016 09:34 AM (C9pBZ)

474 Temper my isolationism? Nah I'll pass. Having been stationed in Europe for 12 years and visiting a lot of American Cemeteries, I don't see the need for any more.

If the EU can't take out pooty-poot despite having twice the population of Russia, I see no need why the U.S. should save them again.

Estonia Defense Budget.

http://militarybudget.org/estonia/

As nyou can see they didn't even make the 2% goal very often. Do an average if you will. For 2014 it stood at 1.9% . In 2015 it stood at 2.1% 2013 is unknown.

I think you will find the average under the 2% goal.

They will not spend the money they need to. They do not have the political will to defend themselves.
They are still relying on the U.S. to come save them again.

They are not worth the Blood of one more American.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:34 AM (WVsWD)

475 People are a lot more upset at Cruz saying people should vote their conscience then they are at Trump for endorsing Erdogan's purge, saying America has no moral authority, and suggesting he will betray NATO allies to Putin.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:35 AM (mFkVC)

476 >>But when was the last time you looked at a Republican doing....anything!....and thought, "Hmmm, nice move. Smart guy!"

Threadwinner!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:35 AM (NOIQH)

477 Cruz is making himself mighty small

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:35 AM (cVvbj)

478 But when was the last time you looked at a Republican doing....anything!....and thought, "Hmmm, nice move. Smart guy!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Zu3d9)

Trump choosing Pence as his running mate. that is just one off the top of my head

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:35 AM (c6/9Q)

479
I would not have "endorsed" but I wouldn't have taken out my revenge on him at the convention for Trump either. He's smarter than that.

----

No he's not. Most of his grandstanding moves have the characteristic of being entirely useless except for pissing everyone off.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 09:35 AM (TaJ8L)

480 435
**pushes egg cream through USB for J.J.**

We'll agree to disagree on this, I think, J.J.

Let's just hope that next week Scankles lets her inner Margaret Hamilton out on national TV and we can talk about that instead.

L'chaim!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (X6fMO)

Can I get a pretzel stick and some candy dots on paper with that egg cream?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (27m1/)

481 Just curious where Cruz's principles stand on Dole, McCain, And Romney..

Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (3ZttN)

482 472
Maybe Cruz swore to himself/his family that he would

never vote for Trump because of Trump's lowlife attacks on his wife and

father, and is slowly trying to get to a point where he can rethink

that, not quite there yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (2cS/G)

you get upset when boxers call each other names too ?

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:34 AM (c6/9Q)

Ah, so it's a game. Trump is playing a game. With the seriousness of the country's existence at stake, Trump is reduced to demeaning people to win an office. There's a leader.

No principles, but damned good snark.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (2PHKP)

483 "Maybe Cruz swore to himself/his family that he would never vote for Trump because of Trump's lowlife attacks on his wife and father, and is slowly trying to get to a point where he can rethink that, not quite there yet."

And Cruz in return called Trump everything but a pervert.

Cuts both ways. Trump could cope. Cruz can't get past it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (exDwb)

484 Has anyone figured out that this was either set up or a photoshop?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 08:19 AM (bpZlE)

I saw the video of the event. The picture captures the moment the cops are stopping their run forward to grab her and pull her behind the lines to arrest her.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (Ee2nz)

485 I have wondered if there is an element of that based on how he seems to rub men he works with the wrong way.

Not the only one. The end of that speech had a whiff of what the Intarwebs would call "sperging". Wondering if there's an explanation for Cruz's more baffling turns there.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:37 AM (9krrF)

486 475 person

People haven't been upset at what Trump says or has said since he entered the race. It's bizzaro world.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 09:37 AM (HnB/8)

487 Ted going to play the "Ross Perot" role

Thanks Ted

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:37 AM (cVvbj)

488 We can't take 8 or even 4 more years of The Progressive Destruction of America.
Posted by: Binary Bill at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Jh20h)
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If this is true, we're already doomed, because a progressive will win the White House at some point, even if its not in 2016. Might as well get it over with if America is that weak.

However, if this is hyperbole, we might want to think about the long-term welfare of the nation.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:37 AM (mFkVC)

489 My only real hope for a Trump administration is that Congress gains its balls back.

It won't happen in a Hillary administration.

Maybe this is the time when the Freedom Caucus and the Democratic Party come together in an effort to reign in the executive branch while the GOPe sits back and tries to grease the tracks for the ever burgeoning state.

<5% chance, but it's the only hope I have for the future of the American federal government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:38 AM (mC1ZI)

490 "Thanks Ted"

No, he's not. Done.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:39 AM (exDwb)

491 let's be honest - regardless of what politics is - if Trump said those things about my wife and father... well in the old days he would have been carried out on a stretcher.

I think Ted Cruz let if off easy, cut him some slack, you don't need him - you need his former supporters. Picking a fight with them over this is pure stupidity if your goal is actually winning an election. Unless of course it's not about winning an election but merely look like you were trying to win but got undercut by those stupid conservatives (win/win for democrats).

Posted by: Reality Man at July 21, 2016 09:39 AM (obXkJ)

492 >>>You know what I'd like to see?<<<

I'd like to see Kasich eat some more food. His aptitude is mesmerizing.

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2016 09:39 AM (2Mnv1)

493 That's hilarious anyone thinks the Democrats are going to be helpful

Totally delusional

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:40 AM (cVvbj)

494 487
Ted going to play the "Ross Perot" role

Thanks Ted

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:37 AM (cVvbj)

Why do you care? He's done, right?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:40 AM (2PHKP)

495 Ted Cruz got booed. So what? Peyton Manning got booed during the Chiefs game and he went on to win the Super Bowl.

So if you still insist on not voting for Donald Trump, your choices are Mark Sanchez, Paxton Lynch and Hillary Clinton.

Choose well.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 21, 2016 09:40 AM (oRmVC)

496 I'd like to see Kasich eat some more food. His aptitude is mesmerizing.

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2016 09:39 AM (2Mnv1)

Does he eat with his mouth open?

Disgusting

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:40 AM (WVsWD)

497 265 The problem with that thinking is that it hurts the
lower ballot races such as US Senate and House. Now, if you want the GOP
to be destroyed and Dems having all 3 branches again. Then it's not a
problem.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 08:53 AM (voOPb)

I said nothing about not voting in the lower races, however depending on the State, they may not be impacted as well.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 21, 2016 09:40 AM (mpXpK)

498 492 Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2016 09:39 AM (2Mnv1)

Almost as funny as watching T'pol eat a breadstick....

//Captain J Archer USS Ooops

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:41 AM (SzZnW)

499 I just heard a Cruz clip from this morning on the radio, saying basically what I just said he might be thinking, minus the "might get there at some point". He is not going to forgive and forget, it appears.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 09:41 AM (2cS/G)

500 >>>He's Sheldon Cooper.
Posted by: Kent at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (iLoHX)

Last night reminded me more of Slick Willy. Too cute by half. Purty speechmakin' by a lawyer trying to hide his cards while showin' 'em to ya.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 09:41 AM (+fRrh)

501 "Why do you care? He's done, right?"

In my book? So gone. We can find someone else. Not so self important.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (exDwb)

502 Playing 3D chess and waiting for the next election or the right hill to die on have gotten us nothing for the past 8-10 years. If Ted Cruz is playing for 2020 or has some super-smart plan up his sleeve, he can stuff it. At this point, we just need consecutive punches landing straight on Hillary's face. Figuratively. What Ted is doing is not helping anyone, himself included.

Posted by: Eli Cash at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (55IMs)

503 He's Sheldon Cooper.
Posted by: Kent at July 21, 2016 09:29 AM (iLoHX)

That's Doctor Cooper to you.

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (7HtZB)

504
Does he eat with his mouth open?

Disgusting

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:40 AM (WVsWD)

Yes, he does. Watching him shovel scrambled eggs in his mouth while talking to the media was nauseating.

He probably inherited the habit of eating in a hurry, due to the fact he's the son of a mailman. Rain, sleet, or snow, gotta hurry up and go.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (1ZOkK)

505 499 I just heard a Cruz clip from this morning on the radio, saying basically what I just said he might be thinking, minus the "might get there at some point". He is not going to forgive and forget, it appears.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 09:41 AM (2cS/G)

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So, you're saying that he's not bending in the breeze?

Interesting to hear from a man who is at his core a conservative and still has the infrastructure to get a new campaign off the ground.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (mC1ZI)

506 I don't care about Ted. I care about the country. It's now clear Ted cares about Ted, more than anything

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (cVvbj)

507
Ah, so it's a game. Trump is playing a game. With
the seriousness of the country's existence at stake, Trump is reduced to
demeaning people to win an office. There's a leader.

No principles, but damned good snark.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (2PHKP)

you should read "Art of War", friend. on the second hand, don't. may offend your tender sensibilities.

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (c6/9Q)

508 They're all fucking nuts."

Stomp the brakes, boy. You're about to cross a line...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (C9pBZ)

509 501 Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at July 21, 2016 09:41 AM (XzRw1)

Those brain dead republicans are why we still have a second amendment functionally....

once Donkey succeeds in human wave flooding Texas blue we are just about done as a Republic in any sense of the word.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:43 AM (SzZnW)

510 Guess who's going to the DNC.

Go ahead...guess.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=284712

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 09:43 AM (ptqRm)

511 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 09:41 AM (+fRrh)

Niet in Nederlands?

Waroom?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 09:43 AM (WVsWD)

512 The only thing that Scankles could do that would make a difference is have a coughing fit and die of natural causes on national TV.

Trump is fighting the media. Trump has already defeated Hillary.

I have to think God is on Trump's side. Read the old Testament. King David had Uriah the Hittite sent to his death so that Bathsheba could birth King David's baby. No Country for Soft Hearts. (Coen brothers movie reference)

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (rnH8X)

513 426 History is littered with the heads of those who refused to pay fealty to the king. History is also littered with the corpses of those who did.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2016 09:25 AM (2PHKP)

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History is also littered with those who made fools of themselves instead of using good common sense. Thomas Beckett come to mind...

However this country succeeded because we had men like Ben Franklin who kept his head and won his country's freedom. Same with the founding fathers in general, heck even Jefferson knew how to make a deal that was not exactly principled when it suited his purposes.

Cruz is all lion and no fox, and worse he is a lion with a martyr complex.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (KhJh8)

514 >>I don't care about Ted. I care about the country. It's now clear Ted cares about Ted, more than anything

I like Cruz's values but he is way too self-important and he has terrible political instincts. This was the problem I had with his government shutdown. It was never going to work and all it did was give the left another club to beat us with. And now we will have a day full of reporting on divisions in the party. Very helpful.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (/tuJf)

515 Interesting to hear from a man who is at his core a conservative and still has the infrastructure to get a new campaign off the ground.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (mC1ZI)

Hope you live in TX, cause he is going to need all the help he can get to fend off a primary opponent named Bush, next time around.

Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (QZdJj)

516 510
Guess who's going to the DNC.

Go ahead...guess.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=284712

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 09:43 AM (ptqRm)

Yeah, she's one of several thug moms who are "honored" guests of the Hell Beast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (1ZOkK)

517 "http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=284712"

Lovely.

Let 'em do it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:45 AM (exDwb)

518 515. That was primary Senate opponent.

Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:45 AM (QZdJj)

519 513 History is also littered with those who made fools of themselves instead of using good common sense. Thomas Beckett come to mind...

However this country succeeded because we had men like Ben Franklin who kept his head and won his country's freedom. Same with the founding fathers in general, heck even Jefferson knew how to make a deal that was not exactly principled when it suited his purposes.

Cruz is all lion and no fox, and worse he is a lion with a martyr complex.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (KhJh

====================

So, you called Thomas Beckett, one of the most prominent examples from history of a man dying for a just cause, a fool.

Okey dokey.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (mC1ZI)

520 A whoooollle lotta people wanting Ted Cruz to do what they would not.

Not a single man in here would support a guy who called his wife ugly and his father a murderer. Not one of you. You wouldn't "get over it." You owe your family more than just a passing annoyance.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (ygBCA)

521 515 Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (QZdJj)

Which will be ironic.

The Bush clan who loathe orange toupee weasel getting payback for orange toupee weasel.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (SzZnW)

522 He also has Incirlik surrounded - including about 30 thermonuclear warheads.

I believe there are standing orders about foreign powers who try to capture US nuclear weapons.

Posted by: An Observation at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (ZugRQ)

523
Can I get a pretzel stick and some candy dots on paper with that egg cream?

Sure, J.J. And to show you what a hell of a guy I am, I'll throw in some candy cigarettes and bang caps, too!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (X6fMO)

524 Think about who hates Cruz more than anyone else, and it might clear up any misconceptions you have as to what is going on.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (7ZVPa)

525 515 Hope you live in TX, cause he is going to need all the help he can get to fend off a primary opponent named Bush, next time around.
Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (QZdJj)

==================

SC.

I got Lindsay problems to deal with.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:47 AM (mC1ZI)

526 488 We can't take 8 or even 4 more years of The Progressive Destruction of America.
Posted by: Binary Bill at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Jh20h)
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If this is true, we're already doomed, because a progressive will win the White House at some point, even if its not in 2016. Might as well get it over with if America is that weak.

True. But not doomed.
Supreme Court picks will last, hopefully, 15 to 20 years. So even if a prog wins in four, if we get conservative judges, we might squeak by. If Hill picks, we ARE doomed.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 09:47 AM (3C84c)

527 Jack straw you keep insisting the government shutdown was some negative event for the GOP. Subsequent congressional elections prove it to be otherwise.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 09:47 AM (HnB/8)

528 Per Cruz's communication guy (didn't catch his name) on Morning Joe today, Cruz let Trump know that he would not endorse him. Told him when they met face to face 10 days ago, and again 2 days ago. Trump also saw Cruz practice the speech yesterday, so he knew the content. No one was burned or set up, they both made informed decisions. Kabuki theater, 3-D chess, whatever.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2016 09:28 AM (NOIQH)

This goes along with what Don Jr. said last night to Hannity after the convention. Sean breathlessly and without pause, started babbling about what did Don Jr. think of Cruz not endorsing his father and why would his dad offer a speaking spot to Cruz if he thought he wasn't going to endorse him.

Don Jr. looked at Hannity kind of puzzled and said, "My father wouldn't bar someone from speaking because they aren't endorsing him", then tried to answer Hannity about the endorsement while Hannity was interrupting him, asking again WHY wouldn't Ted endorse him at the convention. DonJr. shrugged and said, "I don't know why you would come to a convention and not endorse the convention's candidate" and then immediately started talking about the other speakers, etc. He would not take any more bait from Hannity and he simply went on to what was important about what was said last night.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2016 09:47 AM (ZgFWy)

529 The Death of Muldoon- a limerick

In the streets the cheering is starting
'Cause they said from this world I'm departing
But it wasn't a toomah
Just a premature roomah
I'm not dead as long as I'm farting

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2016 09:47 AM (NeFrd)

530 Did Hillary go after Bernie's wife and accuse his father of assisting in the assassination of a President?

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I didn't say the comparison was personal. Sanders and Warren have a lot of ideological differences with Clinton. That won't stop them from being there to endorse the hag next week.

Look, Trump was an ass. I said that. I understand that. I've always been fully 100% behind Ted Cruz. I voted for him. I've seen him speak on several occasions. I would've loved nothing more than to see him become our nominee. But that time has passed and we are where we are. It's either Trump or Cankles. Cruz made a great case for conservatism and the Constitution last night, as he always does. But will Ted be voting for Donald? What will his conscience tell him? Based on what he said last night, I don't have an answer to that question. Do you? Therein lies the problem with how his words were received by LIVs and others who don't live and breathe politics. What exactly was the message?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (+FSld)

531 If Trump delivers on his speech tonight (which, based upon his previously scripted events, I have no doubt he will) it will move the needle well for him. And in a meaningful, lasting way, not a dead cat convention bump. This is going to be the most viewed acceptance speech in the history of television.
If he fucks the chicken...well that will be a problem.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (1H9ox)

532 416 Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:23 AM (cJDvr)

Anyone who gets a case of "conscience" that allows democrats to set up our eating a nuke needs a support group.

That is the stakes in play, the rest is noise.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:27 AM (SzZnW)

Any recommendations?

(By the way, don't assume I agree with your premise.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (cJDvr)

533 How much do you think Trump could get from Putin for the Baltics? I mean, if we're going to betray them, we might as well pay down a bit of the debt in the process.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (mFkVC)

534 These Cruz Trump wars are insanely tiring. All I'd add is this, Luntz had a focus group of independents yesterday who all liked what Cruz did and then went to say it reflected well on trump for letting him speak knowing there wasn't an endorsement coming; they felt more reassured that he won't surround himself with yes men..so maybe a win win situation. Because it's really all about the so called independents right?

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (KTFfX)

535 "Sure, J.J. And to show you what a hell of a guy I am, I'll throw in some candy cigarettes and bang caps, too!"

I like the heck out of those frosty cups. Any chance?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (exDwb)

536 Playing 3D chess and waiting for the next election or the right hill to die on have gotten us nothing for the past 8-10 years. If Ted Cruz is playing for 2020 or has some super-smart plan up his sleeve, he can stuff it. At this point, we just need consecutive punches landing straight on Hillary's face. Figuratively. What Ted is doing is not helping anyone, himself included.

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This isn't 3d chess. Stop making this more complicated than it is. It's a man not backing another man who viciously insulted his family. Like any man would do. That's it. Whether it helps or hurts his own political career is secondary. He's sticking up for his family first.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (ygBCA)

537 You guys are absolutely right. Cruz is small because he came to the RNC convention and talked about liberty, the constitution, the rule of law, and the damage that overreach of government does, and he did not act like the entire staff of CNN about their own candidate.

He is small because after a man calling him a liar, his wife ugly, and accusing his father of both being a murderer and being in league with communists he came to support him as the candidate of his party, and the best option for the nation, and did not sh*t all over him.

Further, you are all correct because this gaffe of Cruz' will make the MFM say bad things about Donald Trump, and they will not support him, and will do everything in their power to make him look like a loser loon failure who will enslave everyone, cause a coup and eat your pets.

And your logic is dead on, because one thing has been proven over and over again if a Republican does what the major media outlets demand, they give him preferential treatment and in no way try to destroy his reputation and impugn his motives.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (ry34m)

538 Michael Moore says Trump is going to win

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-says-trump-is-913121

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (7lVbc)

539 534 These Cruz Trump wars are insanely tiring. All I'd add is this, Luntz had a focus group of independents yesterday who all liked what Cruz did and then went to say it reflected well on trump for letting him speak knowing there wasn't an endorsement coming; they felt more reassured that he won't surround himself with yes men..so maybe a win win situation. Because it's really all about the so called independents right?
Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (KTFfX)

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That's not what Jazz Shaw said!

(God...Hot Air has really gotten terrible, hasn't it?)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (mC1ZI)

540 519 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (mC1ZI)

I think Beckett got what he wanted, martyrdom.

I also think Henry won the argument.

England is hardly Catholic these days and soon will not be Christian at all, the monarchy rolls on.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (SzZnW)

541 "If Hill picks, we ARE doomed."

Just for affect.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (exDwb)

542 Muldoon,

You're back amongst the living!!

Did you see Buzzion?

How's he doing?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (ptqRm)

543 But speaking of epic smacked owns, Teresa May laid some hurt on her MPs the other day...these house of common debates are very entertaining.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (KTFfX)

544 So, you called Thomas Beckett, one of the most prominent examples from history of a man dying for a just cause, a fool.

Okey dokey.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (mC1ZI)

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Ben Franklin > Thomas Becket

Posted by: William Eaton at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (KhJh8)

545 Cruz is a Bush, McCain, Romney guy.
With a hint of CIA (GHWB and Cruz's father). And a hint of apocalyptic religion (Beck and Cruz's father).

I think these guys may have been taken in and are trying to fulfill a apocalyptic ritual.

I'm a multiverse guy so I'm cutting these guys loose on their own thread.
:-)

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (rnH8X)

546
People haven't been upset at what Trump says or has said since he entered the race. It's bizzaro world.

I'm not upset because I know that most of what falls out of Teh Donald's mouth - support for Erdogan, screw NATO, I'm going to order our soldiers to kill civilians - will be opposed by an absolute wall of Democrat legislators and virtually all of the GOP. A President Trump will have his feet held to the fire by the left and the quislings of the right in a way they have never held the dog-eating crackhead to account.

Here's the difference - President Trump says, "I'm shutting down the IRS," and the response is, "like hell you are!" President Hillary says "I want a nationwide gun confiscation," and the response is, "YES, Madam President!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (X6fMO)

547 538 Michael Moore says Trump is going to win

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-says-trump-is-913121
Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (7lVbc)

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I'll only trust Moore's predictive ability about what he's having for dinner.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (mC1ZI)

548 >>Jack straw you keep insisting the government shutdown was some negative event for the GOP. Subsequent congressional elections prove it to be otherwise.

And you keep pretending nothing else subsequently happened like say the disastrous rollout of Obamacare. Obama has not personally suffered for his policies but the left has.

Go ask Ken Cuccinelli if the shutdown helped or hurt his race. In the final days of his race that became a huge issue used against him. And we got nothing out of the shutdown. Squat. Because we never could.

Yes, it got big ups from the Amen Choir but it accomplished nothing accept taking some of the focus off the fuckups of the left.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (/tuJf)

549 Cruz did himself no favors last night and probably harmed himself immeasurably.

Bottom line is he signed a pledge to supprt the nominee.

Trump gave him a pretty plumb speaking spot

And his little stunt took all of the attention off of the main speaker of the evening, Mike Pence, and made Cruz the story everyone is talking about.

Pretty dissapointed in Cruz.

And it was so uneccesary.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2016 07:53 AM (e7A1N)

Agreed. He was giving a very good speech and then he weaseled out.

IF YOU SIGN A PLEDGE AND THEN BREAK IT, YOUR WORD MEANS NOTHING. That goes for Yeb! and everyone else who whined and moaned to force Trump to sign the pledge and then decided, "Nope, because I didn't get my way, I do not have to keep my word."

It doesn't matter if you "loathe" the guy in the pledge, it matters if you kept your word. In my book, it makes you the moral equivalent of the worst scum in the Democratic party.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (kXoT0)

550 532 Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (cJDvr)

Vote for the retard who doesn't think a nuclear Iran is an awesome idea.

The other retard may agree, but only b/c she wants Saudi to have it first.

If you can't stop the democrat tell me where I can score SPF 17,500 suntan lotion just in case I am at ground zero of Donkeyfest.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (SzZnW)

551 Yeah, I dunno if Moore is trying to scare up more turnout or if he really believes that

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (7lVbc)

552
Ben Franklin > Thomas Becket
Posted by: William Eaton at July 21, 2016 09:50 AM (KhJh

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Like Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or... we'll have to negotiate a mutually advantageous agreement."

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (mFkVC)

553 Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (7lVbc)

interesting. Hillary is throwing a hail mary - brown's mother is invited. i am sure law enforcement is thrilled.

Posted by: runner at July 21, 2016 09:52 AM (c6/9Q)

554 539, Hot Air has gone sideways...in a hurry. The world could be burning and they would go on and on about the latest trump outrage.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 09:52 AM (KTFfX)

555 Muldoon,

You're back amongst the living!!

Only to be expected. He didn't run afoul of FenelonSpoke, it just had an accident with a loaded pun.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:52 AM (9krrF)

556 540 519 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (mC1ZI)

I think Beckett got what he wanted, martyrdom.

I also think Henry won the argument.

England is hardly Catholic these days and soon will not be Christian at all, the monarchy rolls on.
Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:49 AM (SzZnW)

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Um...what?

Henry II won the argument against Beckett because the country went secular hundreds of years later? Or because Henry VIII broke with the church?

That's history taking a new course hundreds of years later, not Henry besting Beckett in any sort of argument.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:52 AM (mC1ZI)

557 This goes along with what Don Jr. said last night to Hannity after the convention. Sean breathlessly and without pause, started babbling about what did Don Jr. think of Cruz not endorsing his father and why would his dad offer a speaking spot to Cruz if he thought he wasn't going to endorse him.
...
Playing like a fiddle. Trump is now the enigmatic uniter. He plays the media game better than the media. Hillary's convention will be Fleetwood Mac and ticker tape...the tried and true. Which was fine 25 fucking years ago.
The electorate doesn't like "scripted" anymore. Look a television...what gets the buzz? Canned laugh track formula sitcoms or "unscripted" "reality" tv?

Hillary's campaign is an episode of Melrose Place. Trumps is Survivor meets the Kardashians.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 21, 2016 09:53 AM (1H9ox)

558 549 IF YOU SIGN A PLEDGE AND THEN BREAK IT, YOUR WORD MEANS NOTHING. That goes for Yeb! and everyone else who whined and moaned to force Trump to sign the pledge and then decided, "Nope, because I didn't get my way, I do not have to keep my word."

It doesn't matter if you "loathe" the guy in the pledge, it matters if you kept your word. In my book, it makes you the moral equivalent of the worst scum in the Democratic party.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (kXoT0)

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Didn't Trump himself say that he wasn't going to follow the pledge?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:53 AM (mC1ZI)

559 534: These Cruz Trump wars are insanely tiring. All I'd add is this, Luntz had a focus group of independents yesterday who all liked what Cruz did and then went to say it reflected well on trump for letting him speak knowing there wasn't an endorsement coming; they felt more reassured that he won't surround himself with yes men..so maybe a win win situation. Because it's really all about the so called independents right?

Posted by: IC
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I saw that, too. I swear, two minutes of watching those focus-group pollster guys is more enlightening than two years' of punditry.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 21, 2016 09:54 AM (oRmVC)

560 554 Posted by: IC at July 21, 2016 09:52 AM (KTFfX)

I am about a week from telling Poppin' Fresh "you know what else 'goes red' Ed? Tampons."

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:54 AM (SzZnW)

561 Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (+FSld)

Cruz personally will not be voting for Trump or he would have said so. What he did was signal to his supporters that it's okay for them to do so.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 09:54 AM (HnB/8)

562 I see the GOPe types are still whining about Cruz.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at July 21, 2016 09:54 AM (hVdx9)

563 Didn't Trump himself say that he wasn't going to follow the pledge?

So we hold it against Trump, but not Cruz?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (9krrF)

564 "The trait of utilizing knowledge and experience with common sense and insight."

"The giving up of one's own benefit, especially giving up one's life, for the good of others."

"dying for a just cause"

"Just Cause is an action-adventure video game set in an open world environment." :-)

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (rnH8X)

565
I have to think God is on Trump's side. Read the old Testament. King David had Uriah the Hittite sent to his death so that Bathsheba could birth King David's baby. No Country for Soft Hearts. (Coen brothers movie reference)
Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 09:44 AM (rnH8X)

Look; I'm not understanding the Biblical reference. Trump is like David? Who's Bathsheba? Who's Uriah the Hittite?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (bpZlE)

566 "Any recommendations? "

Yes. Anyone with nuclear inclinations faces military obliteration. You think you can pop a nuke over the U.S.?

You face immediate and assured nuclear retaliation in minutes AND YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (exDwb)

567
Agreed. He was giving a very good speech and then he weaseled out.

IF YOU SIGN A PLEDGE AND THEN BREAK IT, YOUR WORD MEANS NOTHING. That goes for Yeb! and everyone else who whined and moaned to force Trump to sign the pledge and then decided, "Nope, because I didn't get my way, I do not have to keep my word."

It doesn't matter if you "loathe" the guy in the pledge, it matters if you kept your word. In my book, it makes you the moral equivalent of the worst scum in the Democratic party.

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You guys do realize like waaaay back in March when asked if he still planned to honor the pledge, Donald said "no." You all miss that or what?

And, again, fuck the pledge. Fuck the Republican Party. Fuck Donald Trump. His loyalty is to his family first. As should any man's be. If the rest of it falls to pieces, so what. He owes his family before those other things.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (ygBCA)

568 Unfortunately caught some of Beck this morning.

He's not only so proud of Ted, he's back to slinging a bunch of lies about how the booing was orchestrated by the Trump campaign, that the Trump campaign lied about Melania's speech being written by her and they paid off this speech writer to come out and say it was a mistake, etc.

Beck started shrieking about how the Trump campaign denies everything but that its all a lie, on and on.

I turned it off. Sirius needs to evaluate whether they want this nutter on for three hours every morning.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (ZgFWy)

569 >>>Not a single man in here would support a guy who called his wife ugly and his father a murderer. Not one of you. You wouldn't "get over it." You owe your family more than just a passing annoyance.
Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (ygBCA)

I keep hearing a lot of outrageous outrage over Ted Cruz' father. If you would punch someone in the face or get them an ambulance over an implication that your father may have been involved in a highly investigated crime that occurred 50+ years ago, you have severe mental issues (says the guy in Banana Splits underoos surrounded by Winona posters). What got under Cruz' skin was that DJT said the kooky shit and still beat him - and that's on Cruz. I like(d) Cruz, did not vote Trump in the primary, but that's the truth. No concern.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (+fRrh)

570 I mean I KNOW the Biblical story; I just don't see Trump as "a man after God's own heart."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (bpZlE)

571 Phil Robertson (who was a big Cruz supporter) is on FBN.

Guy is smart....and funny.

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2016 09:56 AM (Enq6K)

572 And Cruz in return called Trump everything but a pervert.

Cuts both ways. Trump could cope. Cruz can't get past it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:36 AM (exDwb)

Cruz was nowhere near as personal and brutal. He repeatedly said that he liked Trump but that he lacked the experience/temperament to be POTUS. Trump called him "Lyin Ted" mocked his religion and essentially called his wife ugly. Not the same.

I'll still vote for Trump though.

Posted by: Timon at July 21, 2016 09:56 AM (396pH)

573 Whether it helps or hurts his own political career is secondary. He's sticking up for his family first.
....

Sure.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 21, 2016 09:56 AM (1H9ox)

574 521. Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:46 AM (SzZnW)

Yep. Figure the Bushes will use a PAC to splatter Cruz all over the place for providing Hillary her Kingdom.

Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 09:56 AM (QZdJj)

575 Yes. Anyone with nuclear inclinations faces military obliteration. You think you can pop a nuke over the U.S.?

You face immediate and assured nuclear retaliation in minutes AND YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE.

...have you SEEN the fucktards in charge? The ones who say we could "absorb" such an attack? Who back down at the slightest thread of discomfort and disapproval?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:56 AM (9krrF)

576 556 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 09:52 AM (mC1ZI)

Um "what?"

Beckett had great PR he was fighting for "Power to Beckett to act for Rome" not anything more noble.

In the race between Nationalism and proto-globalism I'll go with the Anglic people being in business for the Anglic people every time.

The modern equivalent would be the Arch-Bishop of Roxbury Park fighting to cleave to Dope Frank not the United States....

if I wanted that type of shit I'd be a Soros fluffing democrat.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:57 AM (SzZnW)

577 Did Hillary go after Bernie's wife and accuse his father of assisting in the assassination of a President?

Not a single man in here would support a guy who called his father a murderer.

Of course that is not what trump said. What trump said was bad enough...no need to embellish and lie about it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:58 AM (zp+j1)

578 Muldoon,

You're back amongst the living!!

Only to be expected. He didn't run afoul of FenelonSpoke, it just had an accident with a loaded pun.

A premature proclamation?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 21, 2016 09:58 AM (3C84c)

579 "Cruz was nowhere near as personal and brutal."

Check yo'self.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:58 AM (exDwb)

580 Cruz spoke (or is still speaking) this morning at a breakfast where he is taking questions. Apparently "it's all over Twitter". The clip I heard was brief, and I couldn't tell if he answered "I won't/can't VOTE for a guy who maligned my wife and father..." or if the question was why didn't you ENDORSE him, not about voting. But he said something like that. Maybe a distinction without a difference, but I want to hear it again.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2016 09:58 AM (2cS/G)

581
Not a single man in here would support a guy who called his wife ugly and his father a murderer. Not one of you. You wouldn't "get over it." You owe your family more than just a passing annoyance.

You know what you do then, if you're not willing to support the guy? You DON'T SPEAK. It's that simple. Gets the same message across without making yourself the story like this.

Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 09:58 AM (sxq57)

582 I'll still vote for Trump though.
Posted by: Timon at July 21, 2016 09:56 AM (396pH)

And that, in the end, is what counts

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (zp+j1)

583 566 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (exDwb)

Urkle X and friends are jerking off to the notion that the United States deserves to eat a nuke for WW2....

Democrats will NOT retaliate.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (SzZnW)

584 506 I don't care about Ted. I care about the country. It's now clear Ted cares about Ted, more than anything
Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 09:42 AM (cVvbj)

I suppose Trump isn't all about Trump.

I thought he gave a good speech, reminding us about the principles that made this country what it is. It was nice that someone did that at the Republican convention.

Now we can go back to the Hillary bashing, which is always right and a awesome (go away, Jeff Flake) and saying how awesome Trump is.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, l'americaine at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (cJDvr)

585 I keep hearing a lot of outrageous outrage over Ted Cruz' father. If you would punch someone in the face or get them an ambulance over an implication that your father may have been involved in a highly investigated crime that occurred 50+ years ago, you have severe mental issues (says the guy in Banana Splits underoos surrounded by Winona posters). What got under Cruz' skin was that DJT said the kooky shit and still beat him - and that's on Cruz. I like(d) Cruz, did not vote Trump in the primary, but that's the truth. No concern.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (+fRrh)

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If you can get over someone, let's cut the bullshit here, calling your father a murderer, then I guess that's beyond my comprehension. It doesn't matter if the supposed act was 5 days or 500 years ago.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (ygBCA)

586 Like Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or... we'll have to negotiate a mutually advantageous agreement."
Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:51 AM (mFkVC)

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But that is what we did to end the war. We told the French we would make a joint deal to end the war with Britain, but instead made a side deal leaving the French hanging.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (KhJh8)

587 Ted Cruz's grandfather killed William McKinley? Makes sense, I guess; it was around the time of the Cuban independence wars. Sic semper tyrannis, except in Spanish.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 21, 2016 10:00 AM (oRmVC)

588 Memo to Ted Cruz: I believe the majority of the country has moved on from the attacks on your wife. You don't have to move on or forgive/forget, but we don't care anymore.

Posted by: Eli Cash at July 21, 2016 10:00 AM (55IMs)

589 "Didn't Trump himself say that he wasn't going to follow the pledge?"

If the GOPe continued to cheat him out of delegates.

Cruz's team were the ones working to put Cruz delegates in instead of following the vote. Cruz's surrogates were bragging about it to the media. Trump turned the tables on that strategy.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 10:00 AM (Bbcs8)

590 Art thread, where art thou?

Posted by: votermom at July 21, 2016 10:00 AM (7lVbc)

591 468 It's the fucking nomination. It IS about Trump.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 21, 2016 09:00 AM (TaJ8L)

True.

But when was the last time you looked at a Republican doing....anything!....and thought, "Hmmm, nice move. Smart guy!"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Zu3d9)

It's been years

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2016 10:01 AM (voOPb)

592 If you can get over someone, let's cut the bullshit here, calling your father a murderer, then I guess that's beyond my comprehension. It doesn't matter if the supposed act was 5 days or 500 years ago.
Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (ygBCA)

of course, again, that is not what Trump said

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 10:01 AM (zp+j1)

593 You know what you do then, if you're not willing to support the guy? You DON'T SPEAK. It's that simple. Gets the same message across without making yourself the story like this.
Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 09:58 AM (sxq57)

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Yo man, it's Donald's convention. He read the text of the speech. Hew knew, weeks ago, Cruz wouldn't endorse.

Moreover, had Cruz refused to speak he'd have caught this same hell for being a sore loser and whatnot, only it would have happened a month ago. But the some complaints would have still been lodged, largely.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 10:01 AM (ygBCA)

594 520 A whoooollle lotta people wanting Ted Cruz to do what they would not.

Not a single man in here would support a guy who called his wife ugly and his father a murderer. Not one of you. You wouldn't "get over it." You owe your family more than just a passing annoyance.
Posted by: Rich
He should have thought of that before making the pledge.

All of the pledge-breakers can forget 2020 or any other election for that matter.

What will they do when the primary debate moderator asks who's willing to pledge to support the eventual nominee? Any of them will be a laughing stock if they put up their hand.

Good riddance.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2016 10:01 AM (kfcYC)

595 Nood. Art

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 10:01 AM (4Up2s)

596 But when was the last time you looked at a Republican doing....anything!....and thought, "Hmmm, nice move. Smart guy!"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2016 09:33 AM (Zu3d9)

when Newt cleaned up after Cruz

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 10:02 AM (zp+j1)

597 >>If you can get over someone, let's cut the bullshit here, calling your father a murderer, then I guess that's beyond my comprehension. It doesn't matter if the supposed act was 5 days or 500 years ago.

I'm not asking him to get over it. I'm asking him to shut up about it.

What Trump said was beyond the pale but we aren't voting on it this fall. The country's future is a lot more important than Ted's feelings.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 10:02 AM (/tuJf)

598 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 10:02 AM (zp+j1)

You may want to read what Trump said. What I paraphrased was not an embellishment.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 10:03 AM (HnB/8)

599 >>>If you can get over someone, let's cut the bullshit here, calling your father a murderer, then I guess that's beyond my comprehension. It doesn't matter if the supposed act was 5 days or 500 years ago.
Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:59 AM (ygBCA)

If you said my dad shot Kennedy in the head himself then blew Lee Harvey Oswald, it wouldn't faze me in the slightest. I wouldn't put change in your cup, that's all.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 21, 2016 10:03 AM (+fRrh)

600 Mrs. E went swimming this morning and one of the ladies told her Cruz said he would not vote for Trump. She must have seen a different speech than the one I did. The impression I got was we should vote for Trump. Which is what I intend to do.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2016 10:03 AM (zLDYs)

601 of course, again, that is not what Trump said
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2016 10:01 AM (zp+j1)

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I mean I guess we can all play ignorant, but why? I know what he said, and I know who made the charge initially. To pretend it's anything other than just a flat out accusation from Donald himself is to play dumb.

By the way this doesn't even touch the fact that Donald's best bud, who runs the Enquirer or whatever the shitrag was, decided to lob a story out there that Cruz was sleeping around with 10 different women.

But hey, get over it!

Like hell.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 10:04 AM (ygBCA)

602 Ted's speech is being quoted, and tweeted, by Hillary

Well done

Posted by: ThunderB at July 21, 2016 10:04 AM (4Up2s)

603 I'm not asking him to get over it. I'm asking him to shut up about it.

What Trump said was beyond the pale but we aren't voting on it this fall. The country's future is a lot more important than Ted's feelings.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 10:02 AM (/tuJf)
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Jack, have you read Trump's NYT interview this morning?

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 10:04 AM (mFkVC)

604 only it would have happened a month ago. But the some complaints would have still been lodged, largely.

Yes yes, he would've caught some crap, but it wouldn't be like it is today AND it would be over with by now.

Politics ain't beanbag, and Cruz learned that lesson, painfully in the primary. He can't get over it and support his party, or at the very least get the hell out of the way.

Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 10:04 AM (sxq57)

605 "Guy is smart....and funny.
"

Did you see his interview with Milo at the Cannes Film Festival?

If you can find it, it's worth the watching.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2016 10:05 AM (ptqRm)

606 What Trump said was beyond the pale but we aren't voting on it this fall. The country's future is a lot more important than Ted's feelings.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2016 10:02 AM (/tuJf)

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Yes, to you and I. But to the man whose family was insulted? No, sorry, it isn't.

Again, if that was my family, I wouldn't then support the man who said it, no matter what. Everyone else can feel free to, but I'd owe it to my family to stand up for them before anything else.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 10:06 AM (ygBCA)

607 You guys do realize like waaaay back in March when asked if he still planned to honor the pledge, Donald said "no." You all miss that or what?

And, again, fuck the pledge. Fuck the Republican Party. Fuck Donald Trump. His loyalty is to his family first. As should any man's be. If the rest of it falls to pieces, so what. He owes his family before those other things.
Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (ygBCA)

Y'all are missing my point. I do not five a raw rat's rump about what The Donald said or didn't say. I voted for Cruz in my primary. If you give your word, you should keep it, even if the other guy is a jerk. The more principled move on Cruz's part would have been to not speak last night, IMHO. I am a gal who faithfully voted for whatever pantywaist the Glum Old Pricks nominated because they said they needed my vote to counter the Dim monster. This time, when the stakes are the highest they have ever been against the worst monster the Dims have ever ran, the Greedy Old Pricks suddenly find their conscience and pick up their skirts and run away from the party's candidate. So, yeah, that pisses me off, because no matter how bad The Donald is he is not a drunken, mendacious, physically frail, depraved, treasonous, greedy, treacherous, felonious, elderly whore(monger). Call me crazy or illogical all you want, but, the rule of law means something to me and the Supreme Court damn sure does.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at July 21, 2016 10:06 AM (kXoT0)

608 You guys do realize like waaaay back in March when asked if he still planned to honor the pledge, Donald said "no." You all miss that or what?

And, again, fuck the pledge. Fuck the Republican Party. Fuck Donald Trump. His loyalty is to his family first. As should any man's be. If the rest of it falls to pieces, so what. He owes his family before those other things.
Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (ygBCA)k

Trump signed the pledge in September 2015. Google RNC Trump signs pledge and feel free to read it at your favorite website, it's on all the major ones.

If someone can't handle the rough and tumble world of politics, they shouldn't be in it. Trump has said that he regrets the photo of Heidi Cruz and that he shouldn't have done it. Then he moved on. Just like he moved on from Cruz not endorsing him and acting like a nasty little high schooler, and actually went to Cruz and offered him a spot in the convention.

I'm far more impressed with someone who acknowledges that something they did was a mistake, they regret it, apologizes, and then moves on. It's actually how you have to be in the private sector, You cannot hold grudges at every single business dealing that goes wrong. You cannot fire every single employee that screws up, or revenge on every competitor. You will not survive in the business world, either personally or professionally.

Politics is even more like that. You have to be able to stake your position, and fight for it, but you have to move on and you cannot proudly make everyone in the Senate or House your enemy.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2016 10:07 AM (ZgFWy)

609 Again, if that was my family, I wouldn't then support the man who said it, no matter what. Everyone else can feel free to, but I'd owe it to my family to stand up for them before anything else.

That's all fine and dandy. Then what you do is STFU and get out of the way of the party you nominally belong to, yes?

Don't vote for the guy. Don't fundraise for him. But also don't *try* (and fail, spectacularly) to knife him in the back at the convention he got the nomination at.

Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 10:07 AM (sxq57)

610 How did you like those apples kids?

Posted by: Ted Cruz at July 21, 2016 10:10 AM (E8UjU)

611 Positive side for Trump supporters is they have their go to excuse if Trump gets beat.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 21, 2016 10:10 AM (HnB/8)

612 How much do you think Trump could get from Putin for the Baltics? I mean, if we're going to betray them, we might as well pay down a bit of the debt in the process.

Posted by: person at July 21, 2016 09:48 AM (mFkVC)

How much $$$ do you think the Baltic States are will to stay free of pooty-poot?

I think that is a better question.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 10:11 AM (WVsWD)

613 That's all fine and dandy. Then what you do is STFU and get out of the way of the party you nominally belong to, yes?

Don't vote for the guy. Don't fundraise for him. But also don't *try* (and fail, spectacularly) to knife him in the back at the convention he got the nomination at.
Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 10:07 AM (sxq57)

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I haven't visited the comment section in a while, but when did so many become "Rah Rah Republican" people? Honestly, I thought the majority of people here could give a rat's ass about the Republican party.

Cruz has spent the better part of 4 years trying to burn that thing to the ground. He's shiv'd the leaders of the party on multiple occasions. Now he needs to play nice with Donald because "he's the Party's Nominee." I don't get it.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 10:12 AM (ygBCA)

614 You want American lives to defend your soil? Still? We haven't done enough for free?

#fuckEUrope

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 21, 2016 10:12 AM (WVsWD)

615 By the way, Donald has a chance to do tonight what so many of you wanted Cruz to do, just get over it and move on.

Here's betting he doesn't.

Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 10:14 AM (ygBCA)

616 563 Didn't Trump himself say that he wasn't going to follow the pledge?

So we hold it against Trump, but not Cruz?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 21, 2016 09:55 AM (9krrF)

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I hold it against neither of them. I think it was dumb.

Just a question.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 10:14 AM (mC1ZI)

617 Cruz helped Trump.

Cruz helped Trump create a wall between Trump and the Bush family. And a wall between Trump and wall street. Heidi works for Goldman Sachs. Ted and Heidi were volunteers in the Bush campaign.

Much better than an endorsement.

Posted by: Ok at July 21, 2016 10:18 AM (rnH8X)

618 Hillary left people to die. So far, I have never heard the same of Trump. He is the only option to defeat her, as unfortunate as that is. If you want someone that glibly lied in front of coffins to save her own political future as CIC, that is your choice. I'll take the vulgar guy over the evil woman.

Posted by: ever at July 21, 2016 10:22 AM (QZdJj)

619 The entire "pledge" thing from the RNC came about because Trump had such strong public support and the RNC was aghast at the prospect of Trump getting the nomination. So they began a campaign to find someone, anyone who they could support instead, hence Jeb, Kasich, etc. Trump knew they were working behind the scenes to destroy his campaign and he simply said if that happened, he would consider running third party. So the RNC panicked and decided they needed to stop that avenue, so that they could try to keep Trump supporters in the Republican column. They NEVER thought he would win the nomination, the pledge was directed at him. But they had to ask everyone for that same pledge.

Everyone eagerly said yes, because they also knew the pledge was designed to box in Trump, whom they thought would not win the nomination,either because of not enough votes in the states, or that they could count of the RNC elites to sabotage Trumps campaign or delegate counts , etc.

Trump held out for a long time, until he knew that the RNC could not possible sabotage his campaign without it being obvious, had a meeting with Reince and then signed the pledge.

That is smart. What Ted did was not smart, but seems to be predictable.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2016 10:23 AM (ZgFWy)

620 615 By the way, Donald has a chance to do tonight what so many of you wanted Cruz to do, just get over it and move on.

Here's betting he doesn't.
Posted by: Rich at July 21, 2016 10:14 AM (ygBCA)

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2 potential tracks:

1) Relatively milquetoast scripted speech about how we're gonna beat Crooked Hillary, and oh, Trump is just the coolest.

2) Weird tirade that touches on every topic known to man where he says fifteen things that any other politician would need to lick boot to get people to forgive (like, "vote your conscience").

Either way, it will be the most brilliant piece of statesmanship since John Adams gained the nickname "His Rotundity".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 10:23 AM (mC1ZI)

621 One of y'all mentioned Sam Houston. Didn't he lose a lot because he didn't support secession during the civil war? Unless I'm missing something, Sam Houston wasn't who y'all think he is.

Posted by: Brutus 2016 at July 21, 2016 10:24 AM (gvSC+)

622 I'm always a day late and a dollar short around here when it comes to posting and such, but boy howdy, there sure is a lot of whining, gnashing of teeth, and general loud lamentations regarding Cruz's speech last night, although I could not infer from all the comments just what it was, specifically, that he said that has so many of you upset.

So, I read a transcript of the guy's speech. And frankly, boys and girls, I don't see the problem here. He congratulated Trump on winning the nomination, and proceeded to give what I thought was a very good speech on what the Republican Party was SUPPOSED to be all about.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at July 21, 2016 10:24 AM (2pIEi)

623 622 I'm always a day late and a dollar short around here when it comes to posting and such, but boy howdy, there sure is a lot of whining, gnashing of teeth, and general loud lamentations regarding Cruz's speech last night, although I could not infer from all the comments just what it was, specifically, that he said that has so many of you upset.

So, I read a transcript of the guy's speech. And frankly, boys and girls, I don't see the problem here. He congratulated Trump on winning the nomination, and proceeded to give what I thought was a very good speech on what the Republican Party was SUPPOSED to be all about.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at July 21, 2016 10:24 AM (2pIEi)

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He said "vote your conscience".

Can you imagine anything more vile?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at July 21, 2016 10:25 AM (mC1ZI)

624 I haven't visited the comment section in a while, but when did so many become "Rah Rah Republican" people? Honestly, I thought the majority of people here could give a rat's ass about the Republican party.

It's not about the party. It's about the intelligence to know that Cruz is a member of that party. If he doesn't like it, he could leave. I'd actually respect that decision. What he did last night looked petulant.

Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 10:26 AM (sxq57)

625 I mean, if Cruz has the intelligence to remember he's a member of the party, rather than an independent.

He pissed in his party's punchbowl. That's all.

Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2016 10:27 AM (sxq57)

626 >>Hillary's campaign is an episode of Melrose Place. Trumps is Survivor meets the Kardashians. Posted by: ajmojo at July 21, 2016 09:53 AM (1H9ox)

Agree completely, and to bit-surf, I'd suggest that Trump is Hannibal meets Dr. Phil.

Posted by: General Zod at July 21, 2016 10:30 AM (Bdeb0)

627 Trump has lost a few votes he never had.

Now what?

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly matters at July 21, 2016 10:46 AM (3myMJ)

628 One of y'all mentioned Sam Houston. Didn't he lose a lot because he didn't support secession during the civil war? Unless I'm missing something, Sam Houston wasn't who y'all think he is.
....

He didn't lose. he was president (twice), senator and governor of Texas, as well as governor of Tennessee.

He was removed from office for refusing to support secession, and as it turned out, he was right. It took, what, about 100 years for the south to fully recover from Reconstruction.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 21, 2016 10:54 AM (ozZau)

629 CNN, Mar. 29:
Cooper: "Do you still pledge to support whoever the Republican nominee is?"
Trump: "No, I don't anymore."

I'm doing what Cruz said; voting my conscience. that's why I'm voting for Trump.

But he was an asshole. Having Pecker publish Ted's "affairs", the JFK crap with his dad, attacking Heidi because someone else published the naked pictures of Melania that Trump took in 2000 to publicize a Reform Party run. Ted's right.

I'll support Trump, but I won't drink his Kool-Aid. We need to put Country First.

And that includes Trump, too.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 21, 2016 11:57 AM (Ndje9)

630 Still voting for Trump...cuz, you know, Hillary...but I voted Cruz in the primary, and have no problem with him not endorsing Trump.

Posted by: Trainer at July 21, 2016 12:44 PM (R/FOr)

631 Dan Aykroyd referred to those who criticized the new "Ghostbusters" movie as likely Trump supporters and KKK members. "Probably no jobs. I would say you're looking at obese white men between 50 and 60", said the 64-year-old fat white Canadian man who hasn't done much work in the last 20 years that wasn't "Ghostbusters" or "Blues Brothers" related. Look in the mirror lately, Dan?

Posted by: jim at July 21, 2016 12:50 PM (TddCJ)

632 voting for Trump...cuz, you know, Hillary...but I voted Cruz in the primary, and have no problem with him not endorsing Trump.

Posted by: Trainer at July 21, 2016 12:44 PM (R/FOr)

Cruz didn't explicitly endorse Trump, but put a case together what we would expect from Hillary and thus indirectly did so by listing all the things we are fighting for (freedom of speech, freedom of religion, RTKABA, etc.) and told the audience not to stay home, but vote their conscience in November. What did Trump expect? He called the man a liar ("Lyin' Ted") repeatedly and insulted the man's wife, a call for which I'm sure the Don would be less than forgiving about. It's also up to Don to prove his Conservative bonnifides with more than words. Pence may be a good step in that direction.

Posted by: jim at July 21, 2016 01:00 PM (TddCJ)

633 Tracking page shows Polar people shoved off once they read that article!

http://polarocean.co.uk/tracking/

Posted by: scottst at July 21, 2016 02:14 PM (v+8+I)

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