Mid-Morning Open Thread [CBD]

Battle of Valmy
Horace Vernet

This overly propagandized battle had been used by France to tout the glories of the French Revolution, and to show that The People! were ascendent. But....the real reason they won this battle is the professional backbone of French Army regular cavalry and artillery who actually knew what they were doing. It wasn't even a big battle, unlike one that occurred about 50 kilometers to the east and 124 years later, near a little town called Verdun.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:45 AM

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1 furst?

Posted by: Wernher Von Strangelove. at July 25, 2016 09:46 AM (NA4Je)

2 Ja wohlt mein Fuhrer!

Posted by: Wernher Von Strangelove. at July 25, 2016 09:47 AM (NA4Je)

3 Y'all remember yesterday, I said Washinghername would not be thrown under the bus because she knows where the bodies are? Shillary's new employee this morning...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 25, 2016 09:50 AM (jsWA8)

4 So Hills claims there is a "Hillary" standard and one for everyone else in this campaign. Sorta like saying there's a "Manson" standard for cult murders I guess.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 25, 2016 09:50 AM (U+F0H)

5 I don't know much about the French Revolution. Was it a military coup?

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 09:51 AM (7lVbc)

6 Nice windmill.

Posted by: Don Quijote at July 25, 2016 09:52 AM (PFy0L)

7 French revolution painting this morning and the DNC in town this week. Just a coinky dink I'm sure.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 25, 2016 09:53 AM (jsWA8)

8
Sorry for dragging this in from the previous thread, but I have to make sure:

MONDAY JULY 25 | 4:00 PM ET - WELLS FARGO CENTER
Gavel In

Is this when the DNC formally convenes?

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 09:53 AM (pC96u)

9 I like this, CBD. When I clicked on it and could really see the detail, I especially liked the way he did the fire and smoke, and the windmill.

I'm not much on dead soldiers and horses, though. But I suppose they are well done too.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 09:55 AM (805dc)

10 So Hills claims there is a "Hillary" standard and one for everyone else in this campaign.

If by "Hillary" standard she means "gets away with murder", yeah, there is.

Not thinking she really wants to go down that path.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 09:56 AM (9krrF)

11 I love military art, but this is kind a blah (much like the battle). I prefer something from Detaille or DeNeuville.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 09:56 AM (7HtZB)

12 Verdun wasn't a battle. It was a slaughterhouse for both sides. WWI had to be the most horrible war of any war ever fought. It hit the sweet spot of my old school tactics with new school technology.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 09:56 AM (W9BSD)

13 Y-not, are you here? I have a tomato tip for you.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 09:57 AM (805dc)

14 So Hills claims there is a "Hillary" standard and one for everyone else in this campaign.

If by "Hillary" standard she means "gets away with murder", yeah, there is.

Not thinking she really wants to go down that path.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 09:56 AM (9krrF)

The FAB is tone deaf and also lives in an Echo chamber..Dumb Bitch

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 09:57 AM (zp+j1)

15 It wasn't even a big battle, unlike one that occurred about 50 kilometers to the east and 124 years later, near a little town called Verdun.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:45 AM

Well, most battles in history are small compared to Verdun. It's sort of an apples and oranges thing,comparing modern and pre-modern battles.

When it comes to scale, you can't really compare Napoleon's invasion of Russia with Hitler's invasion of the USSR.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersands and &&& so there) at July 25, 2016 09:57 AM (P8951)

16 My old = old

Auto crap not only corrects wrong , it adds shit.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 09:57 AM (W9BSD)

17
Oh shit. Snipers EVERYWHERE.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 09:58 AM (T6P0y)

18 I don't know much about the French Revolution. Was it a military coup?

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 09:51 AM (7lVbc)
Massive tax revolt - people living in dung while the elites partied

Posted by: runner at July 25, 2016 09:58 AM (c6/9Q)

19 So Hills claims there is a "Hillary" standard and one for everyone else in this campaign.

The "Hillary" standard is the old "Clinton" standard.

Which is regular old sociopathy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 09:58 AM (nIGPZ)

20 Mosques Lead Rally Against Terrorism At National Mall in DC 20 Muslims Show

Weasel Zippers

PAR for the course and LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 09:59 AM (zp+j1)

21 Oh worse than snipers everywhere, there is more than a hint of gunpowder and grapeshot in the air.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 09:59 AM (xNWlE)

22 >>Mosques Lead Rally Against Terrorism At National Mall in DC 20 Muslims Show

Aaaand how many of 'em were DNC interns

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:00 AM (NOIQH)

23 WWI had to be the most horrible war of any war ever fought. It hit the sweet spot of my old school tactics with new school technology.

Bad thing is they'd had sixty years to see it coming, between the Crimea and the American ~~Civil War~~ ~~Late Unpleasantness~~ ~~War Between the States~~ ~~War of Northern Aggression~~ er, example.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:00 AM (9krrF)

24 Cannon fodder to the front!!!!

Posted by: Bruce at July 25, 2016 10:01 AM (8ikIW)

25 Aaaand how many of 'em were DNC interns
Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:00 AM (NOIQH)
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The ones that didn't make the cut to go to Philadelphia.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 10:01 AM (805dc)

26 Talk about the chickens coming home to roost. I give you:

Wasserman-Shultz!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 10:02 AM (zp+j1)

27 Alot of the "big battles" that determined world events were not that big. Battle of Caludon, thought to destroy an independent Scotland forever because so many scots died. About a thousand casualties. Not nothing, but not the massive battle like the later ones in the civil war or the world wars

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:02 AM (zOTsN)

28 "20 Muslims Show"

But, there are plenty of moderate and peaceful Muslims who hate terror.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2016 10:03 AM (9ym/8)

29 By the By, Old Bernie's religion is Socialism...he is about as Jewish and week old Lox

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 10:03 AM (zp+j1)

30 French Revolution = international socialism's first triumph. The same crap we see today of goofy pseudoscience, anti-religious religious fervor, mass murder & rule of the "enlightened" over the masses first showed up there. Even the political concept of "The Left" was born in the French Revolution. There's a reason why Adam Smith supported our revolution, but was against the French Revolution.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:03 AM (7HtZB)

31 They could have used more snipers.

And Apaches.

Snipers and Apaches.

And maybe an Abrams tank.

More snipers, Apaches and an Abrams tank.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 25, 2016 10:04 AM (4AVeu)

32 There is a lot of detail in that painting.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2016 10:05 AM (9ym/8)

33 So that smoke in the distance is non a cloud of gas?
Good to know.
(Removes mask.)

Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2016 10:05 AM (r65B3)

34 More snipers, Apaches and an Abrams tank.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 25, 2016 10:04 AM (4AVeu)

They may not have had Apaches, but the French Revolutionary wars were the first time air power, in the form of hot air observation balloons, was used in combat.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:06 AM (7HtZB)

35 Dood's got some nice calves. Too bad he died before he could publish his workout regimen. Unless he's just napping.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 25, 2016 10:06 AM (qN4Yb)

36
Ret. Marine Gen. John R. Allen on Monday announced he is endorsing Hillary Clinton for the presidency. "I have no doubt that she is the leader we need at this time to keep our country safe, and I trust her with that most sacred responsibility as commander-in-chief," he said in a statement.

Gen. Allen then added, "Huh? US Embassy guards are what now?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:06 AM (kdS6q)

37
WWI had to be the most horrible war of any war ever fought. It hit the sweet spot of my old school tactics with new school technology.

Bad thing is they'd had sixty years to see it coming, between the Crimea and the American Civil War Late Unpleasantness War Between the States War of Northern Aggression er, example.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:00 AM (9krrF)

Even more so, the Franco-Prussian War.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:06 AM (T6P0y)

38 Wow, just got a gander at Trumps surging poll numbers including the fact that his favoribilties are rising and the FABs are sinking.

I think he might have a shot at this.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2016 10:07 AM (gEpjt)

39 >>Mosques Lead Rally Against Terrorism At National Mall in DC 20 Muslims Show

Related: Stumbled across this clip of David Horowitz taking a question from an MSA leader at a UC San Diego speech back in 2010. Watch to the end - this is what "moderate" muslims look like. Chilling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3e4hmxmITE

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:07 AM (NOIQH)

40 More snipers, Apaches and an Abrams tank.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

Toss in a few A-10's and we're there

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:07 AM (9krrF)

41 Love hearing about how Sanders' delegates are planning on being a disruptive mess at the DNC. DWS has been booed already by the Florida delegation, and Sanders supporters are in the street with "Hillary for Prison" regalia and chanting "lock her up."

Posted by: Revenant at July 25, 2016 10:08 AM (3DSAh)

42 More snipers, Apaches and an Abrams tank.

Send snipers, tanks and choppers.

Posted by: zombie General Zevon at July 25, 2016 10:08 AM (2WoCi)

43 And if Trump wins he will have done it by not only fighting the Donks and the media but also a third party candidate and a substantial part of his own party.

Fascinating.

They might write books about this after its all said and done.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (gEpjt)

44
More snipers, Apaches and an Abrams tank.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

Toss in a few A-10's and we're there

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:07 AM (9krrF)

Teaching the Apaches to drive the Abrams might be a bit problematic. Not much in common with a horse.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (T6P0y)

45 >>>38 I think he might have a shot at this.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2016 10:07 AM (gEpjt)

Run Libtard.exe/

Eek!! You wingnutz and your violent gun rhetoric are contributing to the climate of hate!!

/Libtard program terminated

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (qN4Yb)

46 23: I was just about to make that point, Bro. Cavil. Cold Harbor, The Crater, and Petersburg should have been a warning to military minds in Europe and the rest of the world that Napoleonic tactics mixed with mid 19th century military tech was a recipe for a bloodbath. Fast forward to 1914 and the advent of Smokeless powder, spitzer projectiles, bolt action rifles, and most importantly, the machine gun and you get a 4 year long meat grinder. I wonder if the American experience in the "Late Unpleasantness" was part of the reason why Pershing was loath to let his men get tied down in trenches?

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (Lyh9/)

47 Yes, but... they didn't intend to have a battle at Valmy. It was supposed to be a picnic.

Posted by: Friedrich Paulus at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (iU9Qe)

48 Even more so, the Franco-Prussian War.

Oh God. Talk about conflicts that set the stage for things to come. French resentment, the modern German state, shifting balance of power, military technologies...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (9krrF)

49
And DWS is getting booed by the DNC groundings:

http://tinyurl.com/j7cswhx

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:10 AM (kdS6q)

50 Ret. Marine Gen. John R. Allen on Monday announced he is endorsing Hillary Clinton for the presidency. "I have no doubt that she is the leader we need at this time to keep our country safe, and I trust her with that most sacred responsibility as commander-in-chief," he said in a statement.

Gen. Allen then added, "Huh? US Embassy guards are what now?"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:06 AM (kdS6q)

Which is why I ALWAYS caution about assuming any Military higher ups political inclination and touting them for any run for Office

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 10:10 AM (zp+j1)

51

See the wind power?

That's modern day Germany

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:10 AM (zOTsN)

52 Must have been hell getting them to stand still long enough to get the painting done.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at July 25, 2016 10:10 AM (QM5S2)

53 >> people living in dung while the elites partied

Posted by: runner

What's wrong with that?

Posted by: FSA Dung Beetle at July 25, 2016 10:10 AM (c7vUv)

54 More snipers, Apaches and an Abrams tank.

When I first read that I laughed at the snark when I thought it meant actual Apache Indians mixed with an Abrams tank.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:10 AM (W9BSD)

55 >>Teaching the Apaches to drive the Abrams might be a bit problematic. Not much in common with a horse.

That's why you go with Comanches. Real horse people.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (/tuJf)

56 The most horrible war ever fought is going to be the one that has track-mobile robots roaming the battlefield indiscriminately eating the wounded while speakers mounted on their turrets play "Muskrat Love."

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (Bdeb0)

57 Somehow Trump needs to push some angle that the reason Bernie endorsed Hillary is due to blackmail--like they threatened to kick him out of the Senate if he didn't.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (77emZ)

58
'I am prepared to take lives': Dutch Imam sparks outrage by saying he is ready to kill and die for Islam

http://goo.gl/2Y6CM5

Arent they all?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (iQIUe)

59 Vive l'Ordre Mixte!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 25, 2016 10:12 AM (LdMbv)

60 Take a cruise down the Rhine and the tour guides will point out all the German monuments of victory over the French. There are quite a few such monuments.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:12 AM (xNWlE)

61 My bookhorde post is still in progress (was reading a good book last night) but I put up a few pics of bernouts protesting yesterday over here

https://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2016/07/25/ hell-no-dnc-we-wont-vote-for-hillary-bernthewitch/

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:12 AM (7lVbc)

62
Even more so, the Franco-Prussian War.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:06 AM (T6P0y)

And even more recently, the Russo-Japanese War. The sea battles aside, it was just static trench lines & machine guns, just like the Western Front ten years later.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:12 AM (7HtZB)

63 55: Give'em to the Cheyenne. My anthropology professor once referred to them as "the best light cavalry in the world" and thought they were a match to the Mongols.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:13 AM (Lyh9/)

64 Somehow Trump needs to push some angle that the reason Bernie endorsed Hillary is due to blackmail--like they threatened to kick him out of the Senate if he didn't.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (77emZ)

Well kinda. They can't kick him out of the Senate, but they can deny him any good Committee seats or any Leadership positions. He only cuacuses with the Dems, since he is not officially a Dem, he is an Independent. And THAT they did threaten him with

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 10:13 AM (zp+j1)

65 >>57
Somehow Trump needs to push some angle that the reason Bernie endorsed
Hillary is due to blackmail--like they threatened to kick him out of the
Senate if he didn't. Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (77emZ)

Or Trump could merely say that Bernie endorsed Hillary because Bernie is a fucking idiot, which is conveniently true.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:13 AM (Bdeb0)

66 46 23: I was just about to make that point, Bro. Cavil. Cold Harbor, The Crater, and Petersburg should have been a warning to military minds in Europe and the rest of the world that Napoleonic tactics mixed with mid 19th century military tech was a recipe for a bloodbath. Fast forward to 1914 and the advent of Smokeless powder, spitzer projectiles, bolt action rifles, and most importantly, the machine gun and you get a 4 year long meat grinder. I wonder if the American experience in the "Late Unpleasantness" was part of the reason why Pershing was loath to let his men get tied down in trenches?
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (Lyh9/)

The crater incident was actually not a horrible idea. Just horrifically executed. Charging into the crater instead of around it- without ladders- was kind of a bone headed move.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 10:13 AM (3ZoRf)

67
WWI had to be the most horrible war of any war ever fought.
Posted by: Brother Cavil

WWI had relatively low direct civilian casualties, because of the narrow front in the West and the quick Russian defeat in the East.

If we're picking, that's my metric. Preferable to the civilian horrors of WWII or the 30 Years Wars.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:14 AM (kdS6q)

68 Question - why wasn't the Eastern Front of WWI bogged down in trench warfare like the Western Front was?

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:14 AM (7HtZB)

69 65: I'd go with the blackmail angle. Easier for the Berniebros to swallow.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:14 AM (Lyh9/)

70
'I am prepared to take lives': Dutch Imam sparks outrage by saying he is ready to kill and die for Islam.
----------------------
OK, your call.

Posted by: Sniper at July 25, 2016 10:15 AM (L62jT)

71 Question - why wasn't the Eastern Front of WWI bogged down in trench warfare like the Western Front was?

Posted by: josephistan

No one brought shovels?

Posted by: Bruce at July 25, 2016 10:15 AM (8ikIW)

72 >>Somehow Trump needs to push some angle that the reason Bernie endorsed
Hillary is due to blackmail--like they threatened to kick him out of the
Senate if he didn't.

When your opponent is busy kicking himself in the nuts, do not interfere.

Stuff Sun Tzu Sort Said V.II

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:15 AM (/tuJf)

73 Battle art. Iirc at Gettysburg they have this huge 360 degree painting - you stand in the middle and as you turn around you can feel like you're in the battle.

What that artist could have accomplished if he lived today.

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:16 AM (7lVbc)

74 Very very difficult to shovel frozen ground.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:16 AM (zOTsN)

75 Didn't the British at one point in the Great War send in sappers to dig under a German strong point and place explosives. Took months. And well while certainly cataclysmic did not create the hole they desired?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (xNWlE)

76 68: I think it did get bogged down that way, it's just less commonly known b/c less attention is devoted to the eastern front.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (Lyh9/)

77
When I first read that I laughed at the snark when I thought it meant actual Apache Indians mixed with an Abrams tank.

The 7th is made up of phantoms.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734627/

Posted by: Snake Plissken at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (IqV8l)

78
Even more so, the Franco-Prussian War.

Oh God. Talk about conflicts that set the stage for things to come. French resentment, the modern German state, shifting balance of power, military technologies...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (9krrF)

Yeah. The FPW is one of my main historical interests, because it sets the stage for EVERYTHING in the 20th century. Both World Wars, the rise of communism etc.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (T6P0y)

79 Didn't the British at one point in the Great War send in sappers to dig under a German strong point and place explosives. Took months. And well while certainly cataclysmic did not create the hole they desired?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (xNWlE)

Both sides did that and more than once

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (zp+j1)

80 Even more so, the Franco-Prussian War.
==========

And the little-known Austro-Prussian War of 1866.

Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (JBggj)

81 73
Battle art. Iirc at Gettysburg they have this huge 360 degree painting -
you stand in the middle and as you turn around you can feel like you're
in the battle. Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:16 AM (7lVbc)

It's called the Gettysburg cyclotron. A friend of mine helped install it in the new building that houses it. It's pretty interesting.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (Bdeb0)

82 If you want to count civilian deaths caused from diesease and pestilence, WWI contributed directly to one of the worst civilian death tolls since the Black Plague.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:18 AM (W9BSD)

83 sorry, not cyclotron (just took a class in nukes). Cyclorama.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:18 AM (Bdeb0)

84 Good Morning Hoard,
IPspouse update, She was tired and feeling really gloomy, so I had to take her by the hand on Wednesday, make her stop moving and just sit down.
Pep talks seldom convey the true seriousness of things, and trying not to lecture her, I flat laid it out. She cannot let this define her. She's got a lot of positives to consider. (Thanks to the Ette's for helping me see them, and I used your words.)
It was all I could do to keep the tears from my eyes, but Thursday morning brought a smile and a new outlook on things. "She's got this.."
The procedure to remove the bad cells was first thing Friday morning. She was moving a little slow afterwards and all weekend, but this morning she says she's feeling pretty good, better than ok. She asked the doc to make a second pass and to be extra vigilant in removing the bad cells. So now we wait will on pathology results, and then a 3 month follow up.

Thanks and God bless everyone for the prayers and the kind words, it means so much, it's only right that I let you all know it helped.

Posted by: IP at July 25, 2016 10:18 AM (Fol9S)

85 I heard that Manafort was having a hard time wiping a huge grin off his face at tv interviews yesterday.

Trump is the luckiest candidate in recent history. Fortuna favors him.

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:18 AM (7lVbc)

86 "It's sort of an apples and oranges thing,comparing modern and pre-modern battles."

Depends -- reasonable estimates put Cannae (Hannibal v. Rome) at 60-80,000, with about 75% casualties on the Roman side. I can't remember the number, but one author expressed the casualties in tons of flesh, and it was a stunning figure. That was a single afternoon, with hand weapons.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at July 25, 2016 10:18 AM (5JEr5)

87 72: Which is why he's kept his mouth shut on this thus far. Don't make yourself apart of the conversation until needed. Let Hilldog spin and sputter. Don't provide a rallying point with your criticism.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:19 AM (Lyh9/)

88 IP that is good! Continued prayers for IP spouse.

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:19 AM (7lVbc)

89 Civilians die from cholera and typhus. Not battle

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:19 AM (zOTsN)

90 Nate Silver has Trump winning at 57.7% now, first time he has been projected to win by the 538 site.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 25, 2016 10:20 AM (iONHu)

91 And wwI helped spread the deadly "Spanish Flu" epidemic. Millions died

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:20 AM (zOTsN)

92 Didn't the British at one point in the Great War send in sappers to dig under a German strong point and place explosives. Took months. And well while certainly cataclysmic did not create the hole they desired?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (xNWlE)

Happened first in the American Civil war. The Union did it and went over the top and then down into the crater they had created and were slaughtered by the Confederates firing down on them.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:20 AM (W9BSD)

93 Newt Gingrich, of all people, once wrote of the powerful effect it had exerted upon him to visit the memorial at Verdun. Hall after hall after hall of bones in a huge ossuary, the remnants of the unidentifiable dead.

Moral of the story: this is what happens when you don't get the politics right.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 10:21 AM (noWW6)

94 >>Somehow Trump needs to push some angle that the reason Bernie endorsed
Hillary is due to blackmail--like they threatened to kick him out of the
Senate if he didn't.

First, stand back and let Bernie speak tonight. If he doesn't push back, millions of Sanders supporters will be crushed.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:21 AM (NOIQH)

95 90 ...and I think the first time the R candidate was projected to win since 528 has been in business.

Posted by: Czar Peter at July 25, 2016 10:21 AM (PFoqq)

96 87 72: Which is why he's kept his mouth shut on this thus far. Don't make yourself apart of the conversation until needed. Let Hilldog spin and sputter. Don't provide a rallying point with your criticism.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:19 AM (Lyh9/)

Not providing your enemies with a common enemy is a good tactic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 10:21 AM (3ZoRf)

97 A curious side effect of the Franco-Prussian War was that it made a unified Italy possible. French soldiers had guarded the last of the Vatican state against conquest by Italy, but when the war started, they were recalled, and Italian forces took Vatican City after a brief battle.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (7HtZB)

98 ALERT: Contents of Democrat-related Wikileaks emails are now to be treated as a LOCAL NEWS STORY. National Media Blackout is hereby in effect.

Posted by: CORRUPT MEDIA at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (Jh20h)

99 First, stand back and let Bernie speak tonight. If he doesn't push back, millions of Sanders supporters will be crushed.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:21 AM (NOIQH)

he will not. He will attack Trump. He is in the bag for The FAB at this point for personal gain. He sold out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (zp+j1)

100 >>Which is why he's kept his mouth shut on this thus far. Don't make yourself apart of the conversation until needed. Let Hilldog spin and sputter. Don't provide a rallying point with your criticism.

I've been saying all along that I didn't think Trump could win but Hillary could definitely lose this race. She seems bound and determined to make me right.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (/tuJf)

101 "Bad thing is they'd had sixty years to see it coming, between the Crimea and the American example."

Yep -- had European generals thought harder about the campaign of Grant vs. Lee, they may have come up with sane alternatives.

But, then, most of their actual experience was with colonial wars, so they didn't think about fighting another industrial power until it was too late.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (5JEr5)

102 Yeah. The FPW is one of my main historical interests, because it sets the stage for EVERYTHING in the 20th century. Both World Wars, the rise of communism etc.

Funny thing is, if you follow all the threads back, they lead to France.

I think we've been worried about the wrong nation...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:23 AM (9krrF)

103 Dude on the bottom right hasn't even bled out yet and the ghouls have taken his boots.

Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 10:23 AM (WYh6/)

104 Boy, they're having ~~terrorist~~ not terrorist attacks in Germany at a rate of more than one a day.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 25, 2016 10:23 AM (Nwg0u)

105 Yes, Anna, as Nevergiveup says mining and countermining was done by both sides. (And had been used in sieges since gunpowder became common in Europe.) But I think what you're remembering in particular is the Australians laying the biggest mine of the war (IIRC) at Hill 60.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 25, 2016 10:23 AM (LdMbv)

106
And even more recently, the Russo-Japanese War. The sea battles aside, it was just static trench lines & machine guns, just like the Western Front ten years later.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:12 AM (7HtZB)

Yes, but the Europeans largely ignored it because they looked at it as just a bunch of barely civilized Slavs and slant-eyes hacking at each other on the far side of the world.

Oops.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:24 AM (T6P0y)

107 I think it did get bogged down that way, it's just less commonly known b/c less attention is devoted to the eastern front.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM

They should have read that magnificent bastard's book.

Posted by: Patton at July 25, 2016 10:24 AM (bzd8I)

108 101: Thought harder: I.e reading a book about the war. The Euros, though, were cocky as all hell that they were the smartest guys in the room and that their weapons would be the "Killer App" as it were, therefore no need for new tactics. Result: Meat Grinder.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:25 AM (Lyh9/)

109 IP, thank you so much for letting us know. I've been looking for you since I know she had the procedure on Friday. Sounds like she is doing well and you are giving her exactly the support she needs. I will pray that the pathology report comes back with good results.

Keep doing what you're doing!

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (805dc)

110 RCP Polls Today: Trump beats Clinton, 44-43.
Predictwise: Clinton beats Trump, 68-32.

Real Life: People who used to know the dem platform is the end of the Republic continue screed against Trump through disastrous DNC without criticizing Hillary, 100-0.

Posted by: 0302 at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (wx6iv)

111
'I am prepared to take lives': Dutch Imam sparks outrage by saying he is ready to kill and die for Islam

----

Speaking of Indians. If only the Aztec were still around and we could send them after the Moslems.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (wmxwV)

112 "all the German monuments of victory over the French. There are quite a few such monuments."

Yeah, but even Mexico has some of those, and they're on the other side of the world.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (5JEr5)

113 Take a close look at that painting. Near center, there's a man, mounted on a rearing-up horse, that's facing the windmill.

Can there be any doubt?

Don Quixote!

Co-Starring Sancho, adroitly playing the role of Waldo in this epic. Five star reviews, as no one has yet been able to find him among the seething masses of men and horses at war.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (v5iqM)

114 > and most importantly, the machine gun

www.firstworldwar.com/bio/maxim.htm

Posted by: Sir Hiram Maxim at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (iynDC)

115 Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 25, 2016 10:23 AM (9krrF)

I would agree. The are far greater an arrogant nation more than the United States has been incorrectly accused.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:27 AM (W9BSD)

116 The more people see of Hillary, the less they like her. As has been noted, she has NEVER gone up in the polls after announcing a run.

Since she announced her run, everything has been scripted, with one goal in mind: Show as little of Hillary honestly as possible.

And the media has worked overtime on this--news reports have not shown her speaking if they can help it, most of the coverage has not been about her but to tear down her opponents.

Hillary--up to this point--has been Hillary the hypothetical, the vacuum, the largely blank slate filled only with the nice things that everyone wants.

On the other hand, the more people see of Trump, the better he does. And, as much as the #neverTrumpers won't admit it--he connects with ordinary people. You know, those people who actually decide elections.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 10:27 AM (77emZ)

117 >>he will not. He will attack Trump. He is in the bag for The FAB at this point for personal gain. He sold out

Yep. Which will CRUSH his supporter's dreams.

No Trump intervention needed, though I like that he's encouraging Bernie to go 3rd party #SystemRigged!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:27 AM (NOIQH)

118 Good morning, Morons!

The Democrats better get their act together fast, because Trump got the mother of all convention bounces last week. All polls in the RCP closed at least on the 17th, just before the RNC. And ALL polls completed after the convention show Trump in the lead. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

There are a lot of polls to cover here, so here is the quick summary...

TLDR: Trump went from an average of being down 3.8% to being ahead by .2% in the RCP average.

Individual polls (this is where I look for trends):

Just a reminder: My theory of the race is that Clinton has peaked, and the the undecideds are trying to comfortable with Trump as an alternative. As long as he doesn't do anything really unexpected, they will gradually move to him in enough numbers to give him the win in a 4 person race.

NBC - A big shift here, and this is a result that fits with my theory of the race. Previously Clinton was leading this poll 46-41. Now she still leads, but 46-45. 4% of the undecideds moved into Trump's column. This poll concluded on 7/17, just before the start of the convention.

Economist/YouGov - This poll also completed on 7/17, and it shows a small drop in support for both candidates. It moved from a 47-42 Clinton lead to a 45-41 Clinton lead.

Rassmussen - Ras continues to show a slight Trump lead. This poll closed 7/19 during the middle of the RNC, so expect a larger Trump lead when this releases this week. This moved from a 42-40 Trump lead to a 43-42 Trump lead.

Reuters/Ipsos - This poll has been brutal on Trump in the past, and has a large Dem house effect built in. This poll closed on 7/20 the day before Trump's acceptance speech. Previously this poll was showing a Clinton lead of 44-33 (11 points). It still shows a Clinton lead but 40-36 (4 points). This poll alone is the one that keeps skewing the RCP average to pull things in Clinton's direction.

Gravis - This poll closed on 7/22, the day after the convention. It was showing a 50-48 Clinton lead, now that has shifted to a 51-49 Trump lead.

LA Times - This is a new poll, closing on 7/24. The full convention is priced into it. Trump leads 45-41 in this poll. This is a very significant result, because showing Trump polling into the mid 40s is significant. As I've pointed out, poll changes in the past have been driven by Clinton support dropping, but Trump remaining stuck at 40%.

CNN/ORC - Also closing 7/24, the poll used to show a 47-42 Clinton lead. That has flipped to a 48-45 Trump lead. That is a huge shift in a month, and reflects both the Clinton email scandal and the RNC.

CBS - Finally CBS also closed their poll on 7/24. They make 8 of 8 polls showing a shift toward Trump. Previously this poll was a 40-40 tie just before the RNC. Now it is a 44-43 lead for Trump.

For a convention that was supposedly a disaster, the polling results for Trump were very positive.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (2OHkH)

119 Sanders was never genuinely firmly opposed to Clinton. Had he been, there were numerous opportunities early in the Democratic primary cycle where he could have gone for the jugular, and yet he refrained at every opportunity to do so.

What Sanders was running was an option play: to be the plausible second choice in the event that a federal indictment of Hillary came down.

The rock-ribbed Democratic base will vote for indicted candidates -- hell, they vote for previously convicted felons all the time -- but independents won't, and the Grandmonster would have had to be replaced on the ticket. Sanders hoped to be that replacement should the scenario occur, which obviously it did not.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (noWW6)

120 114 > and most importantly, the machine gun

www.firstworldwar.com/bio/maxim.htm

Posted by: Sir Hiram Maxim at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (iynDC)

And the tactics used to make it even more of a slaughter machine.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (W9BSD)

121 I'll just get this in here now.

*shoots thread with longbow*

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (mf5HN)

122 Little known fact:

Goethe took part in the battle of Valmy against revolutionary France, assisting Duke Carl August of Saxe-Weimar during the failed invasion of France.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (9mTYi)

123 The key is not to win the disaffected Sanders voter

It's to get them to stay home

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (zOTsN)

124 Hillary to speak in CLT today at VFW convention. NO ONE has posted a time for her arrival.

NO ONE. Trying to figure out when she will be gone so I can go to Post Office. It must be a secret, cause it is not on any news site, her site, or the VFW site.

Something tells me Trumps visit tomorrow will not be a secret.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (F1iXz)

125 Artillery was the big killer of WW1 on the Western Front.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (LdMbv)

126 What astonishes me about WW1 and trench warfare is that they kept doing it for 3+ years. Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different? They kept bashing their heads against a wall until the Americans got into the war.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (Lyh9/)

127 All the Clinton campaign has is that the email hack was a Russian plot to help Trump. That is some weak shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:30 AM (/tuJf)

128 "The Democrats better get their act together fast, because Trump got the
mother of all convention bounces last week. All polls in the RCP closed
at least on the 17th, just before the RNC. And ALL polls completed
after the convention show Trump in the lead. Every. Last. One. Of.
Them."

Unpossible. After all, the media have been hectoring the country for days about how "dark" the tone of the GOP convention and Trump's speech had been.

Dark dark dark. Gloomy. Threatening. Dire. Ugly. Paranoid. Exclusionary. Neo-fascist. Entire thesauruses were used up in telling voters about the utter awfulness of it.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 10:31 AM (noWW6)

129 You have to admit, the uniforms worn back then were fabulous, unlike the WW1 uniforms. Must have been a great time to be officers and soldiers, looking great as you are blow apart.

Posted by: Colin at July 25, 2016 10:31 AM (6+jI3)

130 I find it interesting that so many wars continued right from WWI - the Irish rebellion & civil war, the Russian civil war, the Russo-Polish war, the Greco-Turkish war, the Baltic states' wars of independence, et al.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:31 AM (7HtZB)

131
'I am prepared to take lives': Dutch Imam sparks outrage by saying he is ready to kill and die for Islam
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

"If everyone just brings a fruit plate from the supermarket to the picnic again, me and Mr. Choppy are gonna thin the congregation a little", the Lutheran minister threatened.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:31 AM (kdS6q)

132 I've been saying all along that I didn't think Trump could win but Hillary could definitely lose this race. She seems bound and determined to make me right.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (/tuJf)

Now there's an interesting discussion. Will either candidate win this race or will it be a case of who loses last?

I'm in the race to a loss camp, I do believe.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 25, 2016 10:32 AM (mf5HN)

133 Damn, I love this place....
But I need to work, so, ya'll have a good day.

Posted by: IP at July 25, 2016 10:32 AM (Fol9S)

134 127: And what would be the Dem response if the shoe were on the other foot and the Repubs had the same excuse? "It's the seriousness of the charge"

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:32 AM (Lyh9/)

135 Anna the Brits did 4 giant mines, IIRC. Three of them went off and the fourth was lost until the 70's when it went off too.

No only would they dig mines, but they would dig counter-mines and wind up fighting in the tunnels as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPGrrnpzB_Y

The biggest one shook teacups in London

here is another link

http://www.tunnellersmemorial.com/tunnelling-companies/

Posted by: Kindltot at July 25, 2016 10:32 AM (ry34m)

136 126 What astonishes me about WW1 and trench warfare is that they kept doing it for 3+ years. Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different? They kept bashing their heads against a wall until the Americans got into the war.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (Lyh9/)

I've often wondered why an amphibious assault into Belgium wasn't attempted by the Allies.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:32 AM (7HtZB)

137 I wonder if the American experience in the "Late
Unpleasantness" was part of the reason why Pershing was loath to let his
men get tied down in trenches?

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (Lyh9/)

It was that and the previous 3 years from 1914 to 1917, but mostly the previous 3 years from 1914 to 1917.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 25, 2016 10:33 AM (UnMRd)

138 Artillery was the big killer of WW1 on the Western Front.

Over a billion shells fired. Billion with a B.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (W9BSD)

139 98
ALERT: Contents of Democrat-related Wikileaks emails are now to be
treated as a LOCAL NEWS STORY. National Media Blackout is hereby in
effect.

Posted by: CORRUPT MEDIA at July 25, 2016 10:22 AM (Jh20h)

From Gateway Pundit via Drudge: Major findings from the Wikileaks outing of DNC files.

http://tinyurl.com/z5guqum

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (mpXpK)

140
120 114 > and most importantly, the machine gun

www.firstworldwar.com/bio/maxim.htm

Posted by: Sir Hiram Maxim at July 25, 2016 10:26 AM (iynDC)

And the tactics used to make it even more of a slaughter machine.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (W9BSD)

One could argue that the outdated tactics were the real killers. There wasn't much difference in the weapons between The Somme and the Allied breakouts in 1918, but the tactics were radically different, and were able to overcome the machine guns, trench lines and artillery.

The only real technical innovation was the tank, which was an immature technology that never really made as much of an impact as later on in WWII.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (T6P0y)

141 130: Really, the war didn't end. It metastasized, not unlike WW2 and the Cold War.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (Lyh9/)

142 Why no amphibious invasion?

Alfred Thayer Mahan and Gallipolli answer your question?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (xNWlE)

143 126 What astonishes me about WW1 and trench warfare is that they kept doing it for 3+ years. Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different? They kept bashing their heads against a wall until the Americans got into the war.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (Lyh9/)

Technology. Inertia. Exhaustion. Previous experience. The generals seemed to know they needed to be mobile and that the trenches were a losing proposition for both sides. The defensive benefits of the current tech FAR outweighed the applications for offense- until the advent of the tank.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (3ZoRf)

144 Ahahahahahahahaha, that pathetic old ward-heeler Mike Honda is being booed loudly at the DNC by his own home state delegation from Commiefornia. This morning is looking up already.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (noWW6)

145 Excellent news, IP!!

_ _ _

>>The rock-ribbed Democratic base will vote for indicted candidates --
hell, they vote for previously convicted felons all the time -- but
independents won't, and the Grandmonster would have had to be replaced
on the ticket. Sanders hoped to be that replacement should the scenario
occur, which obviously it did not.

Mentioned this earlier: MSNBC showed a clip from a discussion with a handful of Bernie supports. It was exactly like the former Cruz supporters' discussions here. Many said they knew Bernie supporters who would vote Trump (but they would never - nice selection of participants, NBC!), one guy said it's not his fault if sitting out means Trump wins, and another pleaded with people to not vote Jill Stein because it would help Trump win.

This is an amazing race, where a good number of voters on both sides detest their candidate and are arguing among themselves on the best way to express this while also not putting Satan in the Oval Office. The polls are going to be all over the place until November.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (NOIQH)

146 Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM

I wonder if the Ted Cruz booing, sadly, actually helped. Because there's a media hammering the drum that Conservatism sucks with Ted Cruz as its Emmanuel Goldstein. To a LIV who hears "Ted Cruz got booed at the GOP convention" that sounds like hey, Trump is worth a look.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 25, 2016 10:35 AM (PFy0L)

147 After Hillary's great speech on Thursday. MSM will be all aglow with pride and glowing admiration for how wonderful she is....With Bill, and family all smiles..all will forgotten

Posted by: Colin at July 25, 2016 10:35 AM (6+jI3)

148 Ha. Just finished watching the 1975 version of 'The Stepford Wives.' What a hoary old piece of feminist paranoia.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 10:35 AM (nIGPZ)

149 I'm going to design and build a long-limbed crossbow, just to toss it to Teh Horde, and sit back n' watch the ensuing argumentative mayhem.

*evil grin*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

p.s. I'll also equip it with a bayonet mount, and that awful shoulder thingy whut goez up!

Posted by: Jim at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (v5iqM)

150 All the Clinton campaign has is that the email hack was a Russian plot to help Trump. That is some weak shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:30 AM (/tuJf)

Yep. Deflect away from the content.

Shameless media hacks. They got caught with jizz on their chim.

Posted by: Golfman at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (b6FQn)

151 "mining and countermining was done by both sides. (And had been used in sieges since gunpowder became common in Europe.)"

Older than that. A Roman soldier's remains were found in a tunnel under the walls of the Persian capitol. Based on deposits around him, it's possible he was killed by the gas given off by burning some sulfur compound.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (5JEr5)

152 What astonishes me about WW1 and trench warfare is that they kept doing it for 3+ years. Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different? They kept bashing their heads against a wall until the Americans got into the war.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (Lyh9/)

----------------------

Old, obsolete military traditions and tactics have killed most of the soldiers in almost every war. Even modern ones.

Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (Fmupd)

153 AHC has a series on WWI going on now. Very well done, although it's by Canadians so expect the pacifist shit.

It was a slaughter. Straight up. WWI ruined the 20th Century by killing off the British upper class and destroying the empire.

Britain has been in hock to the USA ever since.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (F1iXz)

154 he will not. He will attack Trump. He is in the bag for The FAB at this point for personal gain. He sold out
Posted by: Nevergiveup
-----------

The Berniebots will be on their feet cheering Hillary with wild enthusiasm within 60 seconds.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (9mTYi)

155 AlextheChick, politics is like war. The one who makes the fewer mistakes wins.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (xNWlE)

156 This will cheer you up. Clips of Bernie Sanders in Philly saying what they think of Hillary.
(It's from infowars but it's fun)

https://youtu.be/cSWYhok-0e8

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (7lVbc)

157 The only real technical innovation was the tank, which was an immature technology>>>

The problem with the first tanks was that the French made them with only one gear which was reverse.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (aVYsC)

158 Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different?

---

Some did. You have to remember that it was the last aristocratic or Victorian war. Those generals weren't Our Sort for the powers that be.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (wmxwV)

159 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (T6P0y)

Planes too.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (W9BSD)

160 71 Question - why wasn't the Eastern Front of WWI bogged down in trench warfare like the Western Front was?

Posted by: josephistan

They made a classic mistake, the first of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second of which is never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha-ha, Ha-ha, Ha-ha....thump.

Posted by: Vicini at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (16OL0)

161 One could argue that the outdated tactics were the real killers. There wasn't much difference in the weapons between The Somme and the Allied breakouts in 1918, but the tactics were radically different, and were able to overcome the machine guns, trench lines and artillery.

The only real technical innovation was the tank, which was an immature technology that never really made as much of an impact as later on in WWII.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (T6P0y)

Part of that was also the influx of new thinking and a lack of exhaustion on the part of the Americans as well. Attitude counts for a lot and the western front had taught the powers already engaged that an assault led to some pretty horrific consequences: The Somme, Verdun.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (3ZoRf)

162 Thanks and God bless everyone for the prayers and
the kind words, it means so much, it's only right that I let you all
know it helped.

Posted by: IP at July 25, 2016 10:18 AM (Fol9S)
Online friends will get you through a bad time every bit as well as face-to-face ones. Good news on Mrs. IP. May she continue to improve.

Posted by: creeper at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (pFp74)

163 "Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different?"

Lots of old school generals still fighting the last war with cavalry tactics, etc.

Germany learned their lessons and fast. They began practicing maneuver warfare in the 20's and it wasn't until WW2 that the rest of the nations involved really understood it too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (9ym/8)

164 Older than that

King David managed to get within Jerusalems walls and attack by using the tunnels used for water

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (zOTsN)

165 You have to admit, the uniforms worn back then were fabulous, unlike the WW1 uniforms. Must have been a great time to be officers and soldiers, looking great as you are blow apart.

-
Live fast, die young, leave a good looking dismembered corpse.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (Nwg0u)

166 140: There's about a dozen ways the war could have played out differently depending on who put 2 and 2 together first. Imagine if the Austrians or Germans had done it. Or, if you really want to go down the rabbithole: The Russians, in say 1914 or 1915...
Lot of untrod ground for alt history writers IMHO.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:38 AM (Lyh9/)

167 The innovations that made amphibious assaults under fire plausible weren't in place until 1943/44 (especially overwhelming air superiority) and even then the first few US amphibious assaults were supremely dicey affairs. There's a reason people know what Anzio, Omaha, Tarawa are...

Posted by: fightwinger at July 25, 2016 10:38 AM (AMKhy)

168 My parents visited Verdun (and the Somme, among others) when dad was an Army doc '56-'58. Mom said it was horrifying when she realized that the earth beneath her feet was about 1/3 dirt, 1/3 bone chips, and 1/3 steel fragments. She got chills down her arms just talking about it.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at July 25, 2016 10:39 AM (cA3on)

169 Just waiting patiently for the fitness thread! Ready to get started...

Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at July 25, 2016 10:39 AM (NrMU9)

170 >>I'm in the race to a loss camp, I do believe.

We've seen some horrible candidates over the years but Hillary has got to be pinnacle of awfulness. From Benghazi to multiple FBI investigations to this latest evidence of rigging the primary, I can't remember anything like this. I watched Clinton Cash last night and it was both shocking and maddening to watch the obvious selling out of our country by the Clinton Crime Family. If that gets widespread distribution she should drop another few points.

All that's missing at this point is a tornado dropping a house on her and some flying monkeys.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:39 AM (/tuJf)

171 Wow, just got a company-wide e-mail.

Effective August 1st the entire company will be working from home 4 days a week. I'm already doing 2-3 a week.

Nice.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 10:40 AM (s/EUv)

172 WWI probably had the most soldiers shot by their own side for various infractions.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:40 AM (W9BSD)

173
'I am prepared to take lives': Dutch Imam sparks outrage by saying he is ready to kill and die for Islam.
-------------------------
Helping martyrs acheive their goal.

Posted by: Sniper at July 25, 2016 10:40 AM (L62jT)

174
Effective August 1st the entire company will be working from home 4 days a week. I'm already doing 2-3 a week.

Nice.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 10:40 AM (s/EUv)

You work in Venezuela??

Posted by: Kindltot at July 25, 2016 10:40 AM (ry34m)

175 166 140: There's about a dozen ways the war could have played out differently depending on who put 2 and 2 together first. Imagine if the Austrians or Germans had done it. Or, if you really want to go down the rabbithole: The Russians, in say 1914 or 1915...
Lot of untrod ground for alt history writers IMHO.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:38 AM (Lyh9/)

Harry Turtledove does a lot of this.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (3ZoRf)

176 The US Marine Corps evolved from being the snipers up in the masts or soldiers at Belleau Woods to amphibious Devil Dogs only after they started playing with such tactics in Central America during the Banana Wars.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (xNWlE)

177 157
The only real technical innovation was the tank, which was an immature technology>>>

The problem with the first tanks was that the French made them with only one gear which was reverse.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (aVYsC)

What? I am not feeling the love?

http://tinyurl.com/h2cwlvw

Posted by: Eddie Rickenbacker at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (F1iXz)

178 I wonder if the Ted Cruz booing, sadly, actually
helped. Because there's a media hammering the drum that Conservatism
sucks with Ted Cruz as its Emmanuel Goldstein. To a LIV who hears "Ted
Cruz got booed at the GOP convention" that sounds like hey, Trump is
worth a look.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 25, 2016 10:35 AM (PFy0L)

Perversely, of the 15 or 17 candidates or whatever it was, the GOP somehow wound up nominating the most liberal one, with policies that are frankly astonishing to many conservatives. As many have repeated on this site, the Republican party is not necessarily a conservative party, although it does lean more conservative than the Democrats, who are basically all-out Socialist these days. Trump may very well capture the center while losing the right, like Nixon did in 1968 (and later in 1972, McGovern and Wallace's shooter managed to give Nixon the right as well by default).

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (UnMRd)

179 >>140

120 114 > and most importantly, the machine gun

Wireless was also an interesting development in WW1. Early in the war, the Allies cut six of the Germans' seven undersea cables (like the day after the war started), blinding a lot of German liaisons overseas. The huge wireless broadcast station at Nauen, north of Berlin, was able to stay in touch with German colonies in Africa (and Spee's Pacific squadron by relay stations for awhile), but the dominance of British global comms had a telling effect on the Germans' ability to meaningfully fight the war anywhere but on the European continent.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (Bdeb0)

180 Morning horde.

*scrolls up

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (mEZce)

181
What astonishes me about WW1 and trench warfare is that they kept doing it for 3+ years. Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different? They kept bashing their heads against a wall until the Americans got into the war.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (Lyh9/)

Funny thing is as I understand it, the American tactics for breaking the trenchlines were actually French tactics learned from some of their assault and mountain troops who were detailed to teach the AEF about trench warfare. The French never adopted the new assault tactics wholesale, just in these small specialized units. The AEF on the other hand, they adopted these tactics wholesale, and broke the Germans in a few months.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (T6P0y)

182 Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:38 AM (Lyh9/)

I think we got lucky because you would think the Germans would have won after Russia basically surrendered and allowed Germany to concentrate on the other fronts. Yeah Americans!

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:43 AM (W9BSD)

183 #118

Thanks for the post, Dave.

I noted that the new CNN and CBS polls were taken during the weekend (7/22-7/24). Weekend polls tend to understate GOP support.

Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 10:43 AM (JBggj)

184 "If everyone just brings a fruit plate from the supermarket to the picnic again, me and Mr. Choppy are gonna thin the congregation a little", the Lutheran minister threatened.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:31 AM (kdS6q)

LOL,my sister went to her husband's family reunion yesterday. She said no one of the younger generations brought any food--just appetites.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima having that drink! at July 25, 2016 10:43 AM (kXoT0)

185 161: Well, I guess it took most of the previous generation of officers dying off in the trenches to get the dumbasses at the top to start listening to new ideas. Not because they were more receptive, but because there was no one left and they had no choice. "Accelerated aging" as it were of the officer corps. Aka survival of the fittest.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:43 AM (Lyh9/)

186 Woodrow Wilson stays out of the War, it would have been over in six months and the German's wouldn't have sent Lenin to Russia to get them out of the war.

Democrat presidents, what can't they fuck up and LIE about.

"He kept us out of War" Wilson slogan 1916

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 10:43 AM (F1iXz)

187 Crossbow?
How about a mechanized model:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zx3nez7

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 10:43 AM (9mTYi)

188 Alot of the "big battles" that determined world events were not that big.

The North American battles of the Seven Years War were generally fought by armies numbering in the hundreds, and mostly without cannon. Roads and supply lines were very very bad.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at July 25, 2016 10:44 AM (evdj2)

189 One could argue that the outdated tactics were the real killers. There wasn't much difference in the weapons between The Somme and the Allied breakouts in 1918, but the tactics were radically different, and were able to overcome the machine guns, trench lines and artillery.

The only real technical innovation was the tank, which was an immature technology that never really made as much of an impact as later on in WWII.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:34 AM (T6P0y)

There was another late war innovation that made an impact - the submachine gun. Germans used them effectively in their 1918 breakthrough, before the Americans arrived & numbers got the upper hand.

Posted by: josephistan at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (7HtZB)

190 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 25, 2016 10:41 AM (T6P0y)

The Germans broke the trench lines also by using small special force units to infiltrate behind the lines. They learned this tactic in northern Italy .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (W9BSD)

191 Germany learned their lessons and fast. They began
practicing maneuver warfare in the 20's and it wasn't until WW2 that the
rest of the nations involved really understood it too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2016 10:37 AM (9ym/

They actually introduced the "storm trooper" tactics, emphasizing speed and bypassing resistance, successfully late in the war, but it was too late. Rommel had a role in that.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (UnMRd)

192 Thing is, Verdun was at least a military target. There are lesser known actions where the Germans were shelling the French villages prior to the trenches and the military were going to the front using taxis, trains, private cars while evacuating screaming civilians and taking enormous casualties. They were incredibly brave and managed on the fly to stop the Germans with the trench system.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (wmxwV)

193 Family and I are going to get our passports this week. Can't believe that we waited this long.

Posted by: Jmel at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (15vyA)

194 Run Libtard.exe/

Eek!! You wingnutz and your violent gun rhetoric are contributing to the climate of hate!!

/Libtard program terminated
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 25, 2016 10:09 AM (qN4Yb)

For some it's a TSR

Posted by: random lurker at July 25, 2016 10:46 AM (+tRIN)

195 What astonishes me about WW1 and trench warfare is that they kept doing it for 3+ years. Why the hell didn't some enterprising general have the sense to throw out the book and try something different? They kept bashing their heads against a wall until the Americans got into the war.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:29 AM (Lyh9/)

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Fixed position machine guns against massing offensive troops is what brought the trench warfare. You could not mount offensive operations with out having mass casualties inflicted on your troops. See Battle of the The Somme.

When America entered the war, some of the European generals were appalled at the casualties the Americans were taking.

While the Americans proved to be the tipping point in WWI, I also credit the introduction of the tank with breaking the German trench lines.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 10:46 AM (8XRCm)

196 You work in Venezuela??

Close. New Yorkistan.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 10:47 AM (s/EUv)

197 WWI? Airplanes? Hello? I would call that a "technical" break through.

Course, that's just me.

Posted by: Eddie Rickenbacker at July 25, 2016 10:47 AM (F1iXz)

198 I'm all giddy with anticipation for a week of brotherly love and Hillary love! Pennsylvania shitkickers, let's get this thing started!

Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 10:47 AM (WYh6/)

199 Hillz has been running ads in which she says when she's in the White House, we'll have a place at the table. Yeah, we're on the menu under entrees.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 25, 2016 10:48 AM (Nwg0u)

200 Which is why I ALWAYS caution about assuming any Military higher ups political inclination and touting them for any run for Office

Posted by: Nevergiveup

Exactly. It never ceases to amaze me when a military high ranking officer goes all in with a socialist's lies. Remember Gen. Wesley Clark? What a tool.

Posted by: Cheri at July 25, 2016 10:48 AM (oiNtH)

201 175: Yeah, I've read some of his stuff (love "Guns of the South") Don't think he's jumped down this particular road though.

181: Wow, that tells you just how dense the French officer corps were. They had the tools and the tactics and did not apply them.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:48 AM (Lyh9/)

202 We've seen some horrible candidates over the years but Hillary has got to be pinnacle of awfulness. From Benghazi to multiple FBI investigations to this latest evidence of rigging the primary, I can't remember anything like this. I watched Clinton Cash last night and it was both shocking and maddening to watch the obvious selling out of our country by the Clinton Crime Family. If that gets widespread distribution she should drop another few points.

All that's missing at this point is a tornado dropping a house on her and some flying monkeys.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 10:39 AM (/tuJf)

I will say that this whole oh hey here's the corruption right out here in the open thingy is kind of refreshing.

You know, like the first drops as the tsunami crests on a hot day.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 25, 2016 10:48 AM (mf5HN)

203 t's called the Gettysburg cyclotron. A friend of
mine helped install it in the new building that houses it. It's pretty
interesting.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:17 AM (Bdeb0)

Actually it took several artists to do it, each artist had a specialty painting various parts of the Cyclorama...I have been their many times. Both when it was in the old building and now in the new visitors center.The North Koreans have something similar, showing how the glorious Koreans defeated the evil Americans, you see it on a trip to Pyongyang

Posted by: Colin at July 25, 2016 10:48 AM (6+jI3)

204 AHC has been running this for a week or so. Somewhere on this link is a schedule I think.

http://tinyurl.com/glqzpgp

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 10:49 AM (F1iXz)

205 193 Family and I are going to get our passports this week. Can't believe that we waited this long.
Posted by: Jmel at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (15vyA)
============

I got my first passport in April of 1990. I went to the post office to turn in my paper work. I told the lady at the counter that I was afraid I wd not get it in time. She said,"let me put a rush on it". No extra charge. That was a few minutes before noon on a Sat and when I came home from work on Tues it was in my mail box. I could have cried. What a great country!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 10:49 AM (iQIUe)

206 90
Nate Silver has Trump winning at 57.7% now, first time he has been projected to win by the 538 site.
========
By way of comparison, what was the high-water mark for McCain and Romney?
If anyone recalls?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 10:50 AM (77emZ)

207 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 25, 2016 10:45 AM (UnMRd)

Yep , Rommel was in Northern Italy where he implemented these tactics.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 25, 2016 10:50 AM (W9BSD)

208 Everyone is tuning into the Dem convention for some special reason. I'm tuning in to see Clinton's flesh-eating daughter speak. Mrs. Zod and I plan to be impressed.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 10:50 AM (Bdeb0)

209
New York Times

L Train Will Shut Down From Manhattan to Brooklyn in '19 for 18 Months. About 225,000 passengers ride the L train across the East River every day.

Suck it up, strap-hangers.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:51 AM (kdS6q)

210
I had trouble taking a dump this morning. And would you know it, when I went on twitter, ISIS was already claiming credit for it. smh

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 10:51 AM (iQIUe)

211
This poll alone is the one that keeps skewing the RCP average to pull things in Clinton's direction.
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Dave in Fla, those are amazing polls and I love your work, but to question one thing, I think the two outward extremes are excluded from the RCP average.

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 10:51 AM (pC96u)

212 Clark was Air Force

You had to assume political boot licking toady

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 10:53 AM (zOTsN)

213 I believe that was one of the first battles where Alexandre Dumas' dad distinguished himself.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 10:53 AM (39g3+)

214 191: Ian and Karl at the "InRange" channel on youtube did some analysis of the stormtrooper tactics and argued that they had the effect of wiping out the most committed and effective troops on the German side along with wasting the best and most cutting edge equipment, leaving only the guys who would break and run or frag their officers at the first opportunities.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:53 AM (Lyh9/)

215 Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM (2OHkH)

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Up coming things to watch...

1. The DNC scandal once again involving e-mails which happened after these polls where taken. This is has to help Trump, either by depressing support for Hillary by Sanders voters toward someone else (or becoming undecideds), and turning more undecideds away from Hillary toward Trump.

2. Will the Democrat convention provide a bump or a circus? Right now it is looking like it might become Thunderdome.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 10:54 AM (KhJh8)

216 WWII contained examples of failing to learn WWI lessons.

Jellicoe at Jutland was incredibly finicky and standoffish with his force disposition. He was that way because he knew taking the Grand Fleet into a couple of well-timed torpedo spreads would be a wipeout and would change the entire calculus of the war "in one afternoon".

Fast forward, and pretty much the first 18 months of the U.S. Navy fighting in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor was a depressing litany of getting hit by well-timed IJN torpedo spreads, over and over again. And then it was another full year or so after that before USN torpedoes themselves had their extensive design and manufacturing flaws sorted out. Lesson not learned.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 10:54 AM (noWW6)

217 Watching District 9.....again. This is a well-made non-Hollywood movie. Still entertaining.

It's the same as when I watch Battle, Los Angeles.

Budget movies done really well.

Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 10:54 AM (Fmupd)

218 207: I think Rommel's genius was in applying those tactics to armor, which Patton had the sense to shamelessly copy and adapt to.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:55 AM (Lyh9/)

219 Clinton debate prep should she include a Bernie Shaw question:

"Secretary Clinton, if you walked in on your husband while he was in the process of raping and strangling a staffer, would you contat the FBI or the Secret Service in helping to dispose of the body?"

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 25, 2016 10:56 AM (hqZPQ)

220 Sounds like my wife. She hates Cruz more than Trump because of his religious beliefs. If Cruz hates Trump so much, maybe Trump's not that bad? She actually said that she likes Trump's attitude towards gays, which is her primary issue.

She still wants to move to Canada if Trump wins, though. I hope to see her disappointed in November.
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146
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 25, 2016 10:28 AM

I wonder if the Ted Cruz booing, sadly, actually helped. Because
there's a media hammering the drum that Conservatism sucks with Ted Cruz
as its Emmanuel Goldstein. To a LIV who hears "Ted Cruz got booed at
the GOP convention" that sounds like hey, Trump is worth a look.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 25, 2016 10:35 AM (PFy0L)

Posted by: Pyrocles at July 25, 2016 10:56 AM (MYMcU)

221 I'm tuning in to see Clinton's flesh-eating daughter ..
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Hold it... when you say "Clinton's daughter", you're speaking of Hillary right? 'Cause...

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at July 25, 2016 10:56 AM (9mTYi)

222
Hillz has been running ads in which she says when she's in the White House, we'll have a place at the table.
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She's plagiarizing straight from Michelle. That was one of her incessant memes. You could call it a racist dog-whistle.

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 10:57 AM (pC96u)

223 Tonight's Carnival Speakers:

Mooch and Sanders along with union goons/Trumka, Keith Ellison, and other idiots.

Posted by: Cheri at July 25, 2016 10:57 AM (oiNtH)

224 214 191: Ian and Karl at the "InRange" channel on youtube did some analysis of the stormtrooper tactics and argued that they had the effect of wiping out the most committed and effective troops on the German side along with wasting the best and most cutting edge equipment, leaving only the guys who would break and run or frag their officers at the first opportunities.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 10:53 AM (Lyh9/)

The Stormtroopers couldn't hit the broad side of a bantha!

Posted by: Luke Skywalker at July 25, 2016 10:57 AM (7HtZB)

225 BREAKING: That Was Fast!
Hillary Immediately Brings
Disgraced DNC Chair Onto
Her Campaign [Y-not]

From the sidebar.

I was posit that she's not disgraced at all.
Oh sure, the optics are bad so she has to be moved,
but she did as she was supposed to do and helped to
scuttle yet another palooka that was making too much
ground against HER.

Now she'll beng, as all important slots have been filled.

I say higher paying because silence is worth $$ in some
circles.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 10:58 AM (kKHcp)

226 2. Will the Democrat convention provide a bump or a circus? Right now it is looking like it might become Thunderdome.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 10:54 AM (KhJh

This is the thing. Whether the bump that Bill and Obama can give her is outweighed by her own negatives when speaking.

There can always be surprises- this year more than most.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 25, 2016 10:58 AM (3ZoRf)

227 I guess it's pointless to claim I spotted the sniper...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 10:58 AM (htBb9)

228
I think the two outward extremes are excluded from the RCP average.
Posted by: iforgot

RCP is an unweighted average. However, they do select which polls to include, and there is a time cut off. They use the N most recent polls.

538 is the place that plays all sorts of fruity modeling adjustments, so Nate can try and hide his cheating.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:59 AM (kdS6q)

229 I believe that was one of the first battles where Alexandre Dumas' dad distinguished himself.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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I'm still trying to figure out where Tristram Shandy's Uncle Toby received 'the wound upon his groin'.

I think it must have been in Flanders.

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at July 25, 2016 11:00 AM (9mTYi)

230
So, non jihadist suicidal bomber planned to set off bomb remotely and had all sorts of ISIS shit on his computer and in his home. Yeah, sounds about right.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 11:00 AM (iQIUe)

231 "Yep , Rommel was in Northern Italy where he implemented these tactics."

And with a mountain unit as well.

Just as with the French, the innovative new tactics were coming out of the small specialized companies.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:00 AM (noWW6)

232

For the Bernie bots doesn't she just have to promise legalized marijuana and forgiveness of college loan debt?

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (zOTsN)

233 How many felons will the DNCC feature in the next few days? Enough to fill a cell block, I presume.

Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (WYh6/)

234 >>2. Will the Democrat convention provide a bump or a circus? Right now it is looking like it might become Thunderdome.

I'm a cynic. I think the MSM will recover themselves in time to gush about all the wonderful speeches by all of their favorite people - Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Bill and Chelsea, etc.

Factor in that this is going to be (as usual) a star-studded event, with not just Lena Dunham (cue the "millennial women lurv Hills! segment) but all sorts of beautiful people, as well as the usual comedians leading the way on the proper way to satirize Trump - John Stewart, Bill Maher, that new Melania impressionist, etc.

These people are clowns to us, but they can be very effective when they join forces.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (NOIQH)

235 Hold it... when you say "Clinton's daughter", you're speaking of Hillary right? 'Cause...

Posted by: Webb Hubbell

Oh yeah, deny me the credit for my role...

Posted by: The Turkey Baster at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (9krrF)

236 I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.

Posted by: Cheri at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (oiNtH)

237 I guess it's pointless to claim I spotted the sniper...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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It was the glint from the optics that tipped you off, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (9mTYi)

238 iJeb! 2016

Posted by: Sancho Panza at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (vM7T2)

239 Will the Democrat convention provide a bump or a circus? Right now it is looking like it might become Thunderdome.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 10:54 AM (KhJh

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I am stone cold rooting for Thunderdome.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:02 AM (805dc)

240 Hillary hoping for a ThunderBump

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 25, 2016 11:02 AM (IqV8l)

241 >>221
I'm tuning in to see Clinton's flesh-eating daughter .. Hold it... when you say "Clinton's daughter", you're speaking of Hillary right? 'Cause...Posted by: Webb Hubbell at July 25, 2016 10:56 AM (9mTYi)

Good point. Edited to read: "I'm tuning in to see the human-beta-test Moreau-failed-experiment that passes as Clinton's daughter."

And because "Chelsea" has probably forgotten them, here are The Laws: Not to go on all fours, not to suck up drink, not to eat fish or flesh, not to claw the bark of trees, not to chase other men.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:03 AM (Bdeb0)

242 The MSM goons look and act really excited about the convention.

Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 11:03 AM (Fmupd)

243
Andrea Mitchell

@DWS booed off the stage at her own FL delegation breakfast

Chris Cillizza calls it disastrous:

REMINDER: This a is a Florida delegation breakfast. These are the people who should be most supportive of Wasserman Schultz!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 11:03 AM (kdS6q)

244 The MSM goons look and act really excited about the convention.
Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 11:03 AM (Fmupd)
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Probably for a very different reason than the commenters here who are excited.

Here, have some popcorn.

Posted by: bluebell at July 25, 2016 11:04 AM (805dc)

245 Awesome. DWS is still scheduled to gavel in the convention.

C'mon Bernie Bros., don't let me down!

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 11:04 AM (/tuJf)

246 #226

This is the thing. Whether the bump that Bill and Obama can give her is outweighed by her own negatives when speaking.
======================

At the moment, Barry's struggling to make it to the 50% job approval mark. After the weekend's developments, Mr. "I think Hillary Clinton is the most qualified person to be president since Thomas Jefferson" Obama is probably not overjoyed to be campaigning for H. Clinton. He does love the limelight, though, as long as the camera and the attention are focused on him.

Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 11:04 AM (JBggj)

247 I hear the Liar's Club is having a big convention this week.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (UCoxC)

248
These people are clowns to us, but they can be very effective when they join forces.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Lizzy has it right.

Across America the front pages will be emblazoned with photos of a smiling, waving Hill. The broadcast media will run video of the same. They will wax ecstatic about the wonderful Party and candidate.

It's what the Fifth Column does.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (9mTYi)

249 Up until yesterday I had successfully avoided seeing anything but stills of debbi waffleface shulz. Good grief, how is it she could be uglier in moving pictures? What a little troll she is.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (kJslv)

250 DWS should try her luck at ComicCon. She could dress as Jewbacca.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (hqZPQ)

251 Give'em to the Cheyenne. My anthropology professor once referred to them as "the best light cavalry in the world" and thought they were a match to the Mongols.

That title more likely goes to the Comanche, as far as NorAm goes.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (zzUT1)

252
I love Hillary and the shit she just makes up.

"I am 100% confident that my homebrew server with the fire wall turned off was absolutely NOT penetrated by any foreign inteligence service"

"DNC server was hacked???? It.Was.The.Russians."

Sweetie. Im sure Putin would rather have you as a stoooge.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (8XRCm)

253 538 is the place that plays all sorts of fruity modeling adjustments, so Nate can try and hide his cheating.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 10:59 AM (kdS6q)

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Say what you will, but his "fruit modeling adjustments" tend to be in favor of Trump this time around. Take a look at New Hampshire polls, for instance:

July 9-18, University of NH | Leader: Tie | Adjusted Leader: Trump + 3
June 22-23, Public Policy Polling | Leader: Clinton + 4 | Adjusted Leader: Tie
June 24-28, American Research Group | Leader: Clinton +5 | Adjusted Leader: Clinton + 1

There is a lengthy section explaining his methodology but I think it comes down to Nate's belief that the pollsters are undersampling Trump's supporters, just like 4 years ago when he thought they were undersampling Obama's supporters.

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at July 25, 2016 11:06 AM (bMcUX)

254 Hillary hoping for a ThunderBump
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 25,

From what I've read She's usually looking for a Thunder mug....

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:07 AM (O2RFr)

255 130 josephistan

ISTR more people were killed by violence in the 5 years after WWI ended than were killed in WWI proper.

Many more civilians died, as diversity in Austria-Hungury and Russia led to bloodshed.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 25, 2016 11:07 AM (hyuyC)

256 186

Democrat presidents, what can't they fuck up and LIE about.

Don't hang that out there like a challenge. They'll be all to willing to accept it.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 25, 2016 11:08 AM (jxbfJ)

257 "DNC server was hacked???? It.Was.The.Russians."

In cahoots with Trump don't You know...

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:08 AM (O2RFr)

258 C'mon Bernie Bros., don't let me down!
Posted by: JackStraw
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Bernie will nudge them into Hill's camp. They will go enthusiastically.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:08 AM (9mTYi)

259
236 I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.
Posted by: Cheri at July 25, 2016 11:01 AM (oiNtH)

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Bill at the podium: I'm here to tell you how great Hil........*points at woman in audience*.........oh, honey. What a great rack. You doing anything after my speech?

Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 11:08 AM (Fmupd)

260 Maybe Bernie will say "Vote your conscience."

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:09 AM (gmeXX)

261 Bernie will nudge them into Hill's camp. They will go enthusiastically.

He already says He's still backing Hillary so His little brown shirts will follow suit...

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:09 AM (O2RFr)

262 252

I love Hillary and the shit she just makes up.

"I am 100% confident that my homebrew server with the fire wall
turned off was absolutely NOT penetrated by any foreign inteligence
service"

And Bill Clinton insists there was no penetration with that server from the restaurant he ate at last night.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 25, 2016 11:09 AM (jxbfJ)

263 C'mon Bernie Bros., don't let me down!

I know, right? Feels weird to root for them, but I'm rootin'

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 25, 2016 11:09 AM (s/EUv)

264 Give'em to the Cheyenne. My anthropology professor once referred to them as "the best light cavalry in the world" and thought they were a match to the Mongols.
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The Mongols had compound bows and better armor. Later on they had Chinese accountants. Advantage: Mongols.

Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 11:10 AM (JBggj)

265 Somehow Trump needs to push some angle that the reason Bernie endorsed Hillary is due to blackmail--like they threatened to kick him out of the Senate if he didn't.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 10:11 AM (77emZ)

Trump should troll Tim Kaine. "Tim Kaine? Poor bastard. He was a fairly competent Governor, for a Dem. I had even considered giving him a job in my Administration, perhaps as a Czar to dismantle HUD. But no, he had to go with Hillary. In the unlikely event she wins the Presidency, Tim Kaine will be #2 in the most corrupt Administration in history; when she loses, he will be marked with the taint of losing, too."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 11:10 AM (htBb9)

266 Good grief, how is it she could be uglier in moving pictures?
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It's just a reflection of her soul.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:10 AM (9mTYi)

267
That list of dnc emails at gateway pundit shows quite the slime of the dems. But fun to peruse.

If only the msm would note it. Ha, I crack myself up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 11:10 AM (ODxAs)

268 Watching District 9.....again. This is a well-made non-Hollywood movie. Still entertaining.

It's the same as when I watch Battle, Los Angeles.

Budget movies done really well.
Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 10:54 AM (Fmupd)

Both of those are entertaining and well done.

What I really like about Battle Los Angeles is it shows how smart the American forces are. Those mouthbreathing knuckledraggers somehow manage to keep going and keep fighting and assess a situation and make decisions and solve problems without the need to have any higher ups telling them what to do.

Also it shows that bravery is being scared out of your mind and doing it anyway.

Sure, it's a cheesy alien invasion movie but it's a fine example of the genre.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 25, 2016 11:11 AM (mf5HN)

269 I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.

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Bill's best days are behind him, and my assessment of him has changed over the years. He's obviously a talented politician (or was), but I think he was overrated for many many years.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:11 AM (gmeXX)

270 >>Bernie will nudge them into Hill's camp. They will go enthusiastically.

I would have agreed with that until the events of this weekend. They are already being disruptive at the state delegations and show no sign of letting up.

Don't forget, as much as Trump talked about a rigged system it was at the core of the Sanders campaign. He now has proof that he was right.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 11:11 AM (/tuJf)

271 I had trouble taking a dump this morning.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 10:51 AM

That's 'cause you didn't have a plan, son.

Posted by: Admiral Painter at July 25, 2016 11:11 AM (zzUT1)

272 That list of dnc emails at gateway pundit shows quite the slime of the dems. But fun to peruse.

But Donna Brazille says they were "tampered" with...

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:11 AM (O2RFr)

273 CNN tried to make a big story about Amb. Steven's mother telling Trump to stop "invoking" her son. No one really picked up on the story. But what about the other three mothers?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 25, 2016 11:11 AM (kk0Wq)

274
I made this point on FB over the weekend.

"You're right... Trump is boorish, will say anything to his opponents face with no filter.

Hillary is boorish, will say anything behind her opponents back bitch with no filter".

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:12 AM (8XRCm)

275 That's 'cause you didn't have a plan, son.
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LOL

Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 11:12 AM (JBggj)

276
I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.

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He is painful to watch these days.

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 11:12 AM (pC96u)

277 Did anyone hear clips of DWS getting booed? Holy crap

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 25, 2016 11:13 AM (wmxwV)

278 I was reading the article at Drudge about the propaganda campaign that's been going on for decades to get the country ready for a Hillary! presidency. It'd be Goebbelsesque if it weren't so incompetently executed.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 25, 2016 11:13 AM (hqZPQ)

279 276
I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.

And Chelsea... Contrast the Clinton Family with the Trump Family...

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:13 AM (O2RFr)

280 >>What I really like about Battle Los Angeles is it shows how smart the American forces are.

Yes! Love that movie. It's a rah-rah Marines movie that just happens to include them fighting aliens.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:13 AM (NOIQH)

281 Music festival attack in Germany. Several injuries. No deaths.

Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2016 11:13 AM (Fmupd)

282 THe only thing I'm certain about in the DNC is that anything that's convincing or media effective will be trumpeted front page, all-day-coverage material and anything humiliating, stupid, embarrassing, or bad will be buried and ignored.

Facebook recently admitted that they suppressed mention of the DNC email leak.

http://tinyurl.com/z3v2bxz

They claim it was an error caused by their anti-spam software, which mysteriously only seems to affect things which harm Democrats.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:14 AM (39g3+)

283 "Bernie will nudge them into Hill's camp...."

Yes he will. But they're all not going to go. A good chunk of them will, but not all. Trump will get a small portion (good); so will Johnson (bad). But a lot will simply stay home.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 25, 2016 11:14 AM (kk0Wq)

284 CBD, Thanks for this appropriate choice of painting today as the DNC opens. I enjoy Vernet's works, especially the landscape aspects and the way he shows the 'fog of war' from using black powder. That is a serious problem during a battle. Folks should check out Vernet's portraits which are excellent. (Yeah, one of them at least is a nicely bare breasted lady.)

As I recall, Sherlock Holmes in "The Greek Interpreter" claimed Vernet was an ancestor. I can see Conan Doyle imagining this style of painting when writing his historical novels.

I wonder if Vernet influenced some of the modern painters doing scenes of the American Civil War.

Posted by: JTB at July 25, 2016 11:14 AM (V+03K)

285 Just had an F-35 fly over the house.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (9ym/8)

286 264: I think his comparison was including the lever action rifles and breech loaders they employed, so his comparison was "unbalanced" to put it lightly. I think the plains tribes had compound bows, though. Or maybe it was composite (sinew/bone backed) bows? I get them crossed sometimes.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (Lyh9/)

287
There is a lengthy section explaining his methodology but I think it comes down to Nate's belief that the pollsters are undersampling Trump's supporters, just like 4 years ago when he thought they were undersampling Obama's supporters.
Posted by: Kevin DuBrow

As someone who has followed Nate Silver from long before his 538 days, back when he was making his living on sign-up commissions for online poker parlors and cheating in games with bots, the only thing that he cares about is getting paid for being right about the final result. How he gets there is utterly unimportant to him, and his thumb is always -- always -- on the scale.

He is completely bent.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (kdS6q)

288 Facebook recently admitted that they suppressed mention of the DNC email leak.

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Twitter totally and overtly suppressed it.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (8XRCm)

289
156 This will cheer you up. Clips of Bernie Sanders in Philly saying what they think of Hillary.
(It's from infowars but it's fun)

https://youtu.be/cSWYhok-0e8
Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 10:36 AM (7lVbc)

The older woman from Michigan with the glasses atop her head was pretty articulate and definitely outraged.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (BK3ZS)

290 Don't forget, as much as Trump talked about a rigged system it was at the core of the Sanders campaign. He now has proof that he was right.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Doesn't matter. All that matters is The Party. Bernie will (and in fact, has) thrown himself under the bus for the collective 'good'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (9mTYi)

291 75 AnnaPuma. Some are still the.
http://rense.com/general47/50000lbWW1bomb.htm

Posted by: Drill at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (DN9jO)

292 >>Facebook recently admitted that they suppressed mention of the DNC email leak.

Heh. Loved the howls of outrage from Bernie supporters when they figured out that the story was being suppressed on Twitter (hiding #DNCLeaks) and facebook.

Why, just last week I bet most of them were joyous over Milo being banned.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:16 AM (NOIQH)

293 OT, but I need some horde help (TM).

One of my dogs has a tck, a very small one, on his frickin nose. Not kidding.

In contemplating how to get it off, tweezers probably won't work, because he will no doubt go a little nuts watching the steel pins of torture coming right at his face. Flame obviously won't work. Alcohol probably will just irritate him.

I'm stymied. Though I am thinking of trying the tweezers, but hold my hand over his eyes, so he doesn't see what's happening until its too late...

Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!

Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:16 AM (/m8T6)

294 "I don't see how Bill will give her any boost."

She has his coffee poisoned and Bill drops dead on stage.

Posted by: conspiracy nut at July 25, 2016 11:17 AM (Bbcs8)

295 293 One of my dogs has a tick, a very small one, on his frickin nose. Not kidding.
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Typing error again. Sorry.

Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:18 AM (/m8T6)

296
**sigh**

A compound bow has wheels or cams. Its a modern bow.

The Mongels had "recurve" laminated bows.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:18 AM (8XRCm)

297 @293. You could eat the dog.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 25, 2016 11:18 AM (hqZPQ)

298 What I mean by the "Bernie was blackmailed" post is that Trump needs the Bernie Bros angry, feeling like their hero has been cheated once again.

We need them for chaos and riots at the DNC now, not to stay home or support Trump later.

Recall: Trump made a huge pivot in the last weeks, adding "I am the law and order candidate."

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 11:18 AM (77emZ)

299 Any brilliant ideas, anyone?

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Cover his eyes.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:18 AM (8XRCm)

300 Anyone running odds on Hillary having that fatal stroke/heart attack/siezure/spontaneous combustion during the convention?

Posted by: The Turkey Baster at July 25, 2016 11:19 AM (9krrF)

301 I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.

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He is painful to watch these days.
Posted by: iforgot
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Guy should be wearing a drool cup.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:19 AM (9mTYi)

302 I don't see how Bill will give her any boost. His sell date has long passed and he sounds pretty incoherent and drifts off when trying to make some kind of point.

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He is painful to watch these days.
Posted by: iforgot
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Guy should be wearing a drool cup.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Depends.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (4Hf9E)

303 OT, but I need some horde help (TM).

One of my dogs has a tck, a very small one, on his frickin nose. Not kidding.

In contemplating how to get it off, tweezers probably won't work, because he will no doubt go a little nuts watching the steel pins of torture coming right at his face. Flame obviously won't work. Alcohol probably will just irritate him.

I'm stymied. Though I am thinking of trying the tweezers, but hold my hand over his eyes, so he doesn't see what's happening until its too late...

Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!
Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:16 AM (/m8T6)

Whatever you do, youtube it.

This sounds like it will need to be a two person job. One to hold the poor critter and another to come at him with the tweezers o'doom.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (mf5HN)

304 'Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!'

Cover the tick with some Vaseline and it will suffocate and fall off.

Posted by: freaked at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (KvWlw)

305 The more I think about it, the more I think I'm going to leave the presidential part of this year's ballot blank.

I read the Weekly Standard piece on Trump's Russia connections. Disturbing. And he's a lifelong liberal and Hillary donor, so I'm always bewildered that anyone on the right trusts him. He doesn't seem to be fluent in conservative, whether his speech writers accurately not down our views or not.

So while I've considered holding my nose and voting for him, I don't think I'm going to dirty my hands at this point. I understand that this decision may make Hillary Clinton president.

That's fine. She's going to be disastrous (worse than BO) and gun control will never pass.

Try to change my mind. My NeverTrump stance is quite malleable.

Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (hxUdS)

306 285 Just had an F-35 fly over the house.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (9ym/

It was both overhead, and over budget.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (v5iqM)

307 Something tells me that the crabcakes and pow-wow chow are going to be rocking tonight!

Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (WYh6/)

308 It works I just did it to one of my dogs this weekend.

Posted by: freaked at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (KvWlw)

309 268: AtC, that kind of thing (small units with reasonable tactical autonomy) has been characteristic of the American way of war. You see the same thing when you compare American and Soviet air tactics. US pilots had autonomy, Soviets were controlled from the ground and had fixed areas of responsibility. Its one of the reasons why a lot of US planes had longer ranges compared to Soviet counterparts.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (Lyh9/)

310 MTF, vasoline on the tick?

As I was told in the Boy Scouts, the ticks breath through the rear.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (77emZ)

311 287 As someone who has followed Nate Silver from long before his 538 days, back when he was making his living on sign-up commissions for online poker parlors and cheating in games with bots, the only thing that he cares about is getting paid for being right about the final result. How he gets there is utterly unimportant to him, and his thumb is always -- always -- on the scale.

He is completely bent.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 11:15 AM (kdS6q)

I don't disagree that his finger is on the scale, I'm just saying it looks like he is pushing on the other side this time. He's got to be somewhat nervous about a repeat of 2014.

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (bMcUX)

312 OT, but I need some horde help (TM).

One of my dogs has a tck, a very small one, on his frickin nose. Not kidding.

In contemplating how to get it off, tweezers probably won't work, because he will no doubt go a little nuts watching the steel pins of torture coming right at his face. Flame obviously won't work. Alcohol probably will just irritate him.

I'm stymied. Though I am thinking of trying the tweezers, but hold my hand over his eyes, so he doesn't see what's happening until its too late...

Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!

Yes the vaseline trick works well, we just had to do it this weekend.

Posted by: spypeach at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (nyYhO)

313
OT, but I need some horde help (TM).

One of my dogs has a tck, a very small one, on his frickin nose. Not kidding.

In contemplating how to get it off, tweezers probably won't work, because he will no doubt go a little nuts watching the steel pins of torture coming right at his face. Flame obviously won't work. Alcohol probably will just irritate him.

I'm stymied. Though I am thinking of trying the tweezers, but hold my hand over his eyes, so he doesn't see what's happening until its too late...

Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!
Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:16 AM (/m8T6)
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Call the vet, or just take him in. They can get three people to hold him still while one gets the tick out.

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (pC96u)

314 BTW, this will make Trump partisans very, very happy. Also will help the day for anyone who hates the idea of electing a Crime Lord as president.

Nate Silver, dedicated Democrat and Official Oracle Of Delphi for Hillary partisans says that if the election were today, Trump would win. He received that significant a bump from the convention I suppose, or, perhaps, peoples opinions on Hillary have jelled negatively despite the convention.

It will be interesting to see what the polling looks like post-Demoncrat convention.

http://tinyurl.com/hw7n84o

Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:22 AM (/m8T6)

315 304
'Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!'

Cover the tick with some Vaseline and it will suffocate and fall off.

Posted by: freaked at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (KvWlw)

Wait, you want to kill me to kill the tick?

I vote no.

Posted by: The Dog at July 25, 2016 11:22 AM (F1iXz)

316 Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!
Posted by: MTF
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Well, he might lick it off, but it may be worth trying a dab of vaseline on the tick. Ticks have to breathe too, and deprived of oxygen, they release and try to get air.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:22 AM (9mTYi)

317 "Recall: Trump made a huge pivot in the last weeks, adding "I am the law and order candidate."
I think Trump should start using the word "fair", as in "The other side is not playing FAIR , or the "system is UNFAIRLY rigged." Or "I'm for law and order because it's not FAIR that hard-working people are preyed upon by the criminals."
People like that word. It resonates with people who feel like their voice isn't heard.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 25, 2016 11:23 AM (kk0Wq)

318 The Democrats at POLITICO:

The GOP Shut Down a Program That Might Have Prevented Dallas and Baton Rouge

Trump is blaming Obama for police shootings. But seven years ago Republicans halted a federal study that sought to detect potential radicalization by veterans.

But seven years ago, when a little-known division in the new president's Department of Homeland Security sought to explore the potential violence of returning veterans -- one that might have aided local law enforcement with intelligence in Dallas and Baton Rouge -- it was Congressional Republicans who succeeded in pushing to shut the program down.

The intelligence unit, called the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, undertook a sensitive mission when it was founded in the Bush administration in 2004: Studying and monitoring sub-sections of the population for potential signs of ideological and political radicalization. The group's mandate allowed it to research radicalized groups without criminal cause -- a counterterrorism think-tank, of sorts, that circulated early warnings to state and local law enforcement.

Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 11:23 AM (e8kgV)

319 296: Oh, ok. I was thinking of non re-curve laminated bows, which the plains tribes had. My mistake. Not a big bow guy.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:23 AM (Lyh9/)

320 305 The more I think about it, the more I think I'm going to leave the presidential part of this year's ballot blank.

I read the Weekly Standard piece on Trump's Russia connections. Disturbing. And he's a lifelong liberal and Hillary donor, so I'm always bewildered that anyone on the right trusts him. He doesn't seem to be fluent in conservative, whether his speech writers accurately not down our views or not.

So while I've considered holding my nose and voting for him, I don't think I'm going to dirty my hands at this point. I understand that this decision may make Hillary Clinton president.

That's fine. She's going to be disastrous (worse than BO) and gun control will never pass.

Try to change my mind. My NeverTrump stance is quite malleable.
Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 11:20 AM (hxUdS)

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Instead of leaving anything blank, I'm going to research the 4th and 5th party candidates and hopefully find one less unappealing than Gary Johnson. With Pence on the ticket, I have no fear that Trump can win my state (IN) with no trouble.

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at July 25, 2016 11:24 AM (bMcUX)

321 The GOP Shut Down a Program That Might Have Prevented Dallas and Baton Rouge

Radicalization by Muslims?

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:24 AM (O2RFr)

322
In other news - 'Vaseline Shares Soar'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:24 AM (9mTYi)

323 >>But seven years ago, when a little-known division in the new president's
Department of Homeland Security sought to explore the potential
violence of returning veterans --

Um, they didn't shoot police because they're veterans, they shot them because of being riled up my #BLM, MSM hype of blacks being shot by cops, and mental illness.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:25 AM (NOIQH)

324 I wonder if she will make any kind of appearance before Thrusday, or will that be too taxing on her health.

Hillary will be on a large cocktail of legal and illegal drugs Thursday night. But I'm still pulling for a full grand mal seizure after she accepts the nomination.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 25, 2016 11:25 AM (OneoG)

325 "Any brilliant ideas, anyone? "

PetArmor

Posted by: conspiracy nut at July 25, 2016 11:25 AM (Bbcs8)

326 @Randy Weaver's Revenge

Your concern is:
[X] Noted
[ ] Not Noted

Also, no bonus troll points are awarded for name.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 11:26 AM (77emZ)

327 >>Doesn't matter. All that matters is The Party. Bernie will (and in fact, has) thrown himself under the bus for the collective 'good'.

We'll see but the early teevee coverage of this clusterfark is not going well for team unity.

Time to get some stuff done. Later.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2016 11:26 AM (/tuJf)

328 That list of dnc emails at gateway pundit shows quite the slime of the dems. But fun to peruse.

But Donna Brazille says they were "tampered" with...

Someone needs to ask her when she will be releasing the original emails that show the leaked ones were tampered with.

Posted by: db at July 25, 2016 11:26 AM (Gh3mF)

329 Odds that Debbie Hellmann'sHead-Shultz shows up at the DNC in a suicide vest?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 11:26 AM (nIGPZ)

330 Vaseline is the popular choice so I will try it! I've never heard of that idea, probably because I was unfairly tossed out of the Boy Scouts for misbehavior on a coed camp out. (What the hell did they think was going to happen anyway? I'm still mad, since I come from a scouting family).

Thanks very much to everyone!

Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:27 AM (/m8T6)

331 "I think I'm going to leave the presidential part of this year's ballot blank."

That way the poll workers can fill it in.

Posted by: conspiracy nut at July 25, 2016 11:27 AM (Bbcs8)

332
Hillary will be on a large cocktail of legal and illegal drugs Thursday night.
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Agreed 100%. Bill, too. Both of them are sawdust.

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

333 @318...I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I think the VA falls under the Executive Branch, and they've done a real stellar job looking out for veterans under Obama.

And the Dept of Justice has done a fantastic job following up on terrorist leads across the board, as well as ensuring good governance.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 25, 2016 11:27 AM (hqZPQ)

334 Wow, just heard Bernie Bots were booing Nancy Pelosi. That makes three top Dem womyn they hate. What, are they misogynists? Haven't they heard that the world would be a Utopia if we just had all women running everything? No more wars, free everything and at last we would love and value children instead of using them for slave labor.

Posted by: Ripley at July 25, 2016 11:27 AM (1BQGO)

335 319 296: Oh, ok. I was thinking of non re-curve laminated bows, which the plains tribes had. My mistake. Not a big bow guy.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:23 AM (Lyh9/)

Fully automatic tactical assault bows that can fire entire quivers full of arrows in 1.5 seconds. Also with bayonet lugs and the shoulder thing that goes up.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2016 11:27 AM (0mRoj)

336 This agita at the dem convention is so delightful

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:28 AM (zOTsN)

337 >>Try to change my mind. My NeverTrump stance is quite malleable.

Trump is *NOT* Hillary.

Watch or read "Clinton Cash" to get an idea of how Hillary and Bill would behave if given the chance of her being in the Oval Office.

The reality is that no 3rd party candidate is going to win, and voting for someone other than Hillary or Trump. It sucks, but there it is.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

338
Debbie Wasserman Schultz FULL SPEECH: BOOED OFF STAGE at DNC By Florida Delegation 7/25/16

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbBVULW73M

Trying to use a mention of the cop shootings to stop the boos.

Oh, you bitch!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 25, 2016 11:28 AM (kdS6q)

339 Nate Silver is fucking with is.
Still, I don't think Tim Kaine is going to help her. He looks emasculated to a lot of men (and some women) by playing second fiddle. And this convention looks to be a clusterfuck in the making, so it's hard to see her get much of a bump from it. Besides, everybody already knows who she is, so I doubt there will be many "curious" people watching her acceptance speech. I also thing the media and their endless "FIRST WOMYNS!!" is going to help. They already played this up many times--including a few weeks ago when she knocked out Bernie.
Who is really excited by that--except the people who were already voting for her?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM (kk0Wq)

340 Awesome. DWS is still scheduled to gavel in the convention.

C'mon Bernie Bros., don't let me down!

Posted by: JackStraw
****

Fart like the wind!

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM (0x/TW)

341 But seven years ago, when a little-known division in the new president's
Department of Homeland Security sought to explore the potential
violence of returning veterans --

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Oh FFS.... the DHS memo talked about returning vets joining state militias and white supremacy groups and that buzz words like "constitiutionalist" "constructionist", the Gadsen Flage and MOLON LABE are indicators.

In other words..... WHITE GUYS RUNNING AROUND THE WOODS IN CAMO WITH GUNS.

fuck

liying liars gonna lie out their lying lie hole.... again.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM (8XRCm)

342 But Donna Brazille says they were "tampered" with...
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Donna's still trying to figure out why her insurance premiums went up. She's mystified.

Anyhow, I am certainly impressed by her cyber-acumen. Who would have guessed that she has such digi-sleuth skilz?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM (9mTYi)

343 327: Remember also, the people supporting Bernie are some of the same millennials who were first mobilized by Obama in 2008. They're new, and therefore, possibly pliable by the message of an unconventional Republican who might lead with the charge of a rigged system that blackmailed their idol.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM (Lyh9/)

344 So while I've considered holding my nose and voting for him, I don't think I'm going to dirty my hands at this point. I understand that this decision may make Hillary Clinton president.

That's fine. She's going to be disastrous (worse than BO) and gun control will never pass.

If she is elected, gun control won't have to pass. The judges she appoints will take care of that issue for her.

Posted by: db at July 25, 2016 11:30 AM (Gh3mF)

345 85: "Oh Fortuna, Velut Luna!"

Posted by: Thanatopsis at July 25, 2016 11:30 AM (JaiYy)

346 325
"Any brilliant ideas, anyone? "

PetArmor

Posted by: conspiracy nut at July 25, 2016 11:25 AM (Bbcs

DON'T CALL PETA!

http://tinyurl.com/jrh4t7c

Posted by: The Dog at July 25, 2016 11:30 AM (F1iXz)

347 Kaine has a Beta Male/Merkin Muffley stage presence. Maybe that's what the kids want these days.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 25, 2016 11:30 AM (hqZPQ)

348 I bet Bill can step it up for one more big speech with enough coke and steroids in him. Look at how big a bump Obama got from his asinine "nobody could have done it better, he tried his best!" economy speech in 2012. The guy is really good at fooling suckers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:31 AM (39g3+)

349 If she is elected, gun control won't have to pass. The judges she appoints will take care of that issue for her.

---------

That just means gun control measures won't be overturned.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

350 335: Sounds like something that DaVinci would have thought of in crossbow form...

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:31 AM (Lyh9/)

351 "I understand that this decision may make Hillary Clinton president. That's fine. She's going to be disastrous (worse than BO) and gun control will never pass."

My friendsh, you have nothing to fear from Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain, 2008 at July 25, 2016 11:31 AM (noWW6)

352 Hillary will sign amnesty in her first 100 days, and Rs will be more than happy to give it to her. At that point, it's all moot.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 25, 2016 11:32 AM (nIGPZ)

353 323 >>But seven years ago, when a little-known division in the new president's Department of Homeland Security sought to explore the potential violence of returning veterans --

Um, they didn't shoot police because they're veterans, they shot them because of being riled up my #BLM, MSM hype of blacks being shot by cops, and mental illness.

And muzzie.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:32 AM (4Hf9E)

354 Oops. Self-willowed.

Anyway-

concerning the new Star Trek series-

Did anyone else think after watching the trailer and listening to the music, and seeing the uniforms as well as the weird angular ship that-

Star Trek Discovery takes place in-

the "Bearded Spock" universe from the original TV show.

So, the good guys would be bad guys and the bad guys would be good guys.

It's all nuancey and stuff.

Yay?

Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 11:33 AM (HGtd0)

355 339: The whole "FIRST!!!1!1!!!" angle is more effective when the candidate is a blank slate, I think.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:33 AM (Lyh9/)

356

Bill can give a good speech, but he has a bimbo issue. The Lena Dunhams won't like being treated to a Bill Clinton sexual history timeline. Too much rape in it, at least as defined today

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:33 AM (zOTsN)

357 That just means gun control measures won't be overturned.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

The get rid of that pesky Second amendment and all is cured.
Join a Milta.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2016 11:33 AM (F1iXz)

358
Instead of leaving anything blank, I'm going to research the 4th and 5th party candidates

Nacho Supreme

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 25, 2016 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

359 I bet you need ID to get into the dem convention.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at July 25, 2016 11:34 AM (0x/TW)

360 That's fine. She's going to be disastrous (worse than BO) and gun control will never pass.

If she is elected, gun control won't have to pass. The judges she appoints will take care of that issue for her.

And God forbid you EVER had to defend yourself.

Hello Great Britain!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:34 AM (4Hf9E)

361 348 I bet Bill can step it up for one more big speech with enough coke and steroids in him. Look at how big a bump Obama got from his asinine "nobody could have done it better, he tried his best!" economy speech in 2012. The guy is really good at fooling suckers.

Trust Me... every speech given at the Dem convention will be compared to the Gettysburg Address... Especially Bills,Hills, and Chels....

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:34 AM (O2RFr)

362 That just means gun control measures won't be overturned.

Oh, they can do better than that. They imposed abortion and homosexual marriage on the nation through decisions. They can impose gun control, too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:34 AM (39g3+)

363
Cover the dogs eyes and give him treats while you're doing it and do it fast.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 11:34 AM (iQIUe)

364 That just means gun control measures won't be overturned.
Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

----

Heller. The case that decide that the 2nd Ammendment was an individuals right to bear arms was a 5-4 decision.

1 vote.

I know you dont like Trump and arent going to cede anything to him... but pull your head out of your ass for moment and.....

.... nevermind. Im using logic and reason to debate a person that didint use logic and reason to arrive at their opinions in the first place.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (8XRCm)

365 Oh FFS.... the DHS memo talked about returning vets joining state militias and white supremacy groups and that buzz words like "constitiutionalist" "constructionist", the Gadsen Flage and MOLON LABE are indicators.

In other words..... WHITE GUYS RUNNING AROUND THE WOODS IN CAMO WITH GUNS.

fuck

liying liars gonna lie out their lying lie hole.... again.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM (8XRCm)

When you outsource your data gathering on what is or isn't an extremist group to the SPLC, that's what happens.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (kKHcp)

366 The get rid of that pesky Second amendment and all is cured.
Join a Milta.

State or federal? What if your state doesn't play along?

Private army? Good luck.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (4Hf9E)

367 >>Trust Me... every speech given at the Dem convention will be compared to
the Gettysburg Address... Especially Bills,Hills, and Chels....

Exactly. The fawning over Chelsea will be the worst of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (NOIQH)

368 AtC, that kind of thing (small units with reasonable tactical autonomy) has been characteristic of the American way of war. You see the same thing when you compare American and Soviet air tactics. US pilots had autonomy, Soviets were controlled from the ground and had fixed areas of responsibility. Its one of the reasons why a lot of US planes had longer ranges compared to Soviet counterparts.
Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (Lyh9/)

Ahhh yes, I'd forgotten about that.

Wasn't there some issues with fueling for the Soviet planes too? They had difficulties with mid-air refueling or something like that? I could be mistaken there.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (mf5HN)

369 MTF!

Don't use the vaseline. Find a helper and pull it out with tweezers. Once you get the tweezers in a good position, as close to the head as possible, pull straight up, not horizontally.

See this page from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/ticks/removing_a_tick.html

Posted by: IrishEi at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (Lsu4e)

370
Donna's still trying to figure out why her insurance premiums went up. She's mystified.

She's switching to Liberty Mutual.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (IqV8l)

371 Alison Camerota was downright giddy on the Clinton News Network this morning, hoping that Mooch will get in a dig or three at Melania.

Go for it, Moochelle. The contrast between your fat ass and "toned arms" and angry demeanor, vs. Melania's toned body and class will be all out there for the world to see.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 25, 2016 11:36 AM (1ZOkK)

372 So what does Bernie say tonight? "Thank you sir may I have another?" Or "I'm mad as hell and not goi to take it anymore?" Bacon or Finch?

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 25, 2016 11:36 AM (U+F0H)

373 Hillary looks tired.

Sounds like she has been hitting the bourbon. Low low voice today

Time to change out her batteries

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:36 AM (zOTsN)

374 Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment

Doesn't mention any Islamic or Black Panther party situations. It's all about militia and neo-Nazis.

I know the nation has worked hard towards diversity and inclusiveness, but I doubt the neo-Nazis included the ethnic persuasion of either the Dallas or Baton Rouge shooters.

Posted by: Jack Reacher at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (e8kgV)

375 368: I don't think they ever mastered it, no. I don't think the Soviets ever developed AWACS, either.

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (Lyh9/)

376 Go for it, Moochelle. The contrast between your fat ass and "toned arms" and angry demeanor, vs. Melania's toned body and class will be all out there for the world to see.

Hope someone does a split screen...

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (O2RFr)

377 Donna's still trying to figure out why her insurance premiums went up. She's mystified.

She's switching to Liberty Mutual.>>>

Did she catch that disease named Brad?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 25, 2016 11:37 AM (aVYsC)

378 Donna's still trying to figure out why her insurance premiums went up. She's mystified.

She's switching to Liberty Mutual.

And Brad.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (4Hf9E)

379

Military supports Hillary says Hillary for Gen Allens endorsement.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (zOTsN)

380 I've been getting estimates on replacing the concrete pad between my garage and the driveway...

Anyone who doesn't have the time to go through medical school then into brain surgery, just learn how to do cement flat work.

It pays about the same.

Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (Zs4uk)

381 SomTim Kaine, went to Mizzou? That explains a lot.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (U+F0H)

382 DOG TICK

Take a medium sized towel.
Wrap once around dogs mouth, lay the rest over his head to cover his eyes.

Sit on his back so he can't back away, grab snout with one hand and pull tick off with tweezers with other hand.

You gotta be firm and determined about this, no pussyfooting around.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (kKHcp)

383 IP, your wife shouldn't ever feel that missing an appointment contributed to her situation....the new hotness right now is actually to extend the time between paps for low-risk women.
In my own case, with a blood screen and clear test, the new recommended interval is up to five years.

Virulent forms can pop up in far less time than the old 1-yr interval in high risk individuals. but I general it's a slow, slow process and there is high potential for over treatment, and all the attendant anxieties and costs and painful procedures.

Posted by: Sarahw at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (Sp1NT)

384 Trump is the luckiest candidate in recent history. Fortuna favors him.

Posted by: @votermom

It would be the most awesome moment in the history of Presidential politics if Trump came to the inauguration dressed as Conan, with Carmina Burana thundering in the background.

Posted by: Mean Girls at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (3e8zv)

385

Hillary wants to fix the VA, especially since she is responsible for getting so many of them greviously injured

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (zOTsN)

386 310
As I was told in the Boy Scouts, the ticks breath through the rear.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2016 11:21 AM (77emZ)

They must be democrats then.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (jxbfJ)

387 Chelsea's speech will be called the greatest speech in the history of human language, a soaring angel's song of rhetoric and inspiration that made the entire press corps spontaneously orgasm and half the audience faint. Choirs were heard to sing in the background and a golden beam of light rested on her from above while she spoke.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (39g3+)

388 Her dad is a big military hero becuase he worked at a training base in MI

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (zOTsN)

389 I think it must have been in Flanders.

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at July 25, 2016 11:00 AM

Vile slander. I was nowhere near the man.

Posted by: Moll Flanders at July 25, 2016 11:40 AM (bzd8I)

390 >>Exactly. The fawning over Chelsea will be the worst of it. Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (NOIQH)

Composed. Mature. Competent. Self-assured. "Her own person." "remarkably well-informed on the issues."

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:40 AM (Bdeb0)

391 Her dad's training base experience formed her thoughts about th military

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (zOTsN)

392 >>Composed. Mature. Competent. Self-assured. "Her own person." "remarkably well-informed on the issues."

"...future president!!!!!"

- Democrat dynasty-loving MSM

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (NOIQH)

393 Nood

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (/wm8n)

394 387 Chelsea's speech will be called the greatest speech in the history of human language, a soaring angel's song of rhetoric and inspiration that made the entire press corps spontaneously orgasm and half the audience faint. Choirs were heard to sing in the background and a golden beam of light rested on her from above while she spoke.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (39g3+)

I think they'll like it a little more than that.

Posted by: jwest at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (Zs4uk)

395 Composed. Mature. Competent. Self-assured. "Her own person." "remarkably well-informed on the issues."

I suggest She give it with a bag over Her head... Then it's brilliance won't be over shadowed by Her face...

Was that mean?

Posted by: donna at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (O2RFr)

396 387
Chelsea's speech will be called the greatest speech in the history of
human language. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (39g3+)

I don't think that's the angle they'll take--even they know there's not enough lipstick to turn Chelsea into anything but a lipsticked mutant.

The angle will be how informed, competent, "down to earth," and "genuine" she is.

Posted by: General Zod at July 25, 2016 11:41 AM (Bdeb0)

397
I'd have just yanked that tick right out with my fingers, but apparently vaseline is solution. Maybe pour some vaseline on the dnc - the commie tick attached to the USA and see if that works.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (ODxAs)

398 Sorry if the Latin is misspelled. Dragging up 45 yo memories from from my music history/composition class. I liked Orff. He was . . . *strange*.

Posted by: Thanatopsisd at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (JaiYy)

399 The US is exceptional says FAB

Implying that Trumps trashing the nation by being critical

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (zOTsN)

400 387
Chelsea's speech will be called the greatest speech in the history of
human language, a soaring angel's song of rhetoric and inspiration that
made the entire press corps spontaneously orgasm and half the audience
faint. Choirs were heard to sing in the background and a golden beam of
light rested on her from above while she spoke.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (39g3+)

Good grief. Is she actually going to, "like", yammer? The same twit whose staff told the Today Show crew not to speak to her directly, but go through a Chelsea staffer?

Gah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (1ZOkK)

401 Heller. The case that decide that the 2nd Ammendment was an individuals right to bear arms was a 5-4 decision.

1 vote.

I know you dont like Trump and arent going to cede anything to him... but pull your head out of your ass for moment and.....

----------

My comment really had nothing to do with Trump - was just making the Constitutional argument that overturning Heller would not impose gun control. A legislature (or executive) would have to do it, and the court may not declare such laws or actions unconstitutional. Perhaps same thing to many.

I do not disagree that another liberal judge would allow the Court to overturn Heller. I think it probably likely.

But we should understand that gun rights are becoming greater not necessarily because of the Courts but because states are loosening up their laws.

There is a lesson in there. We can't rely on the Court completely.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (gmeXX)

402

Justice!

Diversity!

Respect!

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (zOTsN)

403 IP, your wife shouldn't ever feel that missing an
appointment contributed to her situation....
Posted by: Sarahw at July 25, 2016 11:38 AM (Sp1NT)
___________________________________

Thanks, that was one of the things she was so down about. She admitted the Doc said the same thing, but she can be very hard on herself.

Posted by: IP at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (Fol9S)

404

She has the best relationships with our allies, say FAB

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (zOTsN)

405 "Hillary looks tired."

The historical lesson of John Kennedy is that potent cocktails of intravenous drugs can prop up someone who is completely medically unfit for the Presidency long enough to get elected. And even serve for years thereafter without the public catching on.

The stuff available today is leagues better than what Max Jacobson was injecting into Kennedy to keep him energetic.

And I finally watched the "OMG Hilldawg had a _seizure_ right on live camera" video. A complete nothingburger.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 11:43 AM (noWW6)

406 Shame on cspan. Now they want you to have a cable provider before allowing you to watch live their streams.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (iQIUe)

407 366 The get rid of that pesky Second amendment and all is cured.
Join a Milta.

State or federal? What if your state doesn't play along?

Private army? Good luck.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (4Hf9E)

Might work.... might not....

Posted by: Lavoy Finicum at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (qf6WZ)

408 Exactly. The fawning over Chelsea will be the worst of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 25, 2016 11:35 AM (NOIQH)

The MFM is going to run out of superlatives as every single Dim speech will be the best evah!!!11!!!1111

By the times Hillary!'s speech is finished,

their commentary will simply be sitting around in the lotus-position before a picture of Hillary!

Chanting OMMMMMMMMMM...

Posted by: naturalfake at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (HGtd0)

409 New thread is up. Be nice every one and have a good day.

Posted by: Picric at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (oInnZ)

410
Now twangy, pretend Virginia accent

She sounds like a grade school video, or a robot

Says Kaines son is deploying today to defend NATO

Wtf. Defend NATO?

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (zOTsN)

411 Here is another reason to vote for Trump if you are still on the fence

If Hillary loses this election it will shatter the Democrat party into two camps, the same way 1968 hobbled the Democrat party at least in presidential elections. From 1968 to 1988 the Dems won once and it was against Ford who was coming off the Nixon scandal.

If you are conservative you have a chance to turn things around for another twenty years, not to mention the Supreme Court. It is also looking good for the GOP to hold the Senate.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 25, 2016 11:45 AM (KhJh8)

412
DNC also does not provide a live stream at this time.

Highlights of today are a bunch of illegals whining and Bernie and ending with Mooch.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 11:46 AM (iQIUe)

413
But we should understand that gun rights are becoming greater not necessarily because of the Courts but because states are loosening up their laws.

There is a lesson in there. We can't rely on the Court completely.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 11:42 AM (gmeXX)

Its clear you do not live in California....

Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 11:46 AM (qf6WZ)

414 410
Now twangy, pretend Virginia accent

She sounds like a grade school video, or a robot

Says Kaines son is deploying today to defend NATO

Wtf. Defend NATO?

Posted by: ThunderB at July 25, 2016 11:44 AM (zOTsN)

Public relations Officer?

Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (qf6WZ)

415 I just saw a theory that the DNC leak was actually orchestrated by disgruntled members of our own intelligence community.
They can't leak what was on Hillary's servers without endangering national.security but they could safely leak DNC emails.

Posted by: @votermom at July 25, 2016 11:47 AM (7lVbc)

416
Some Trump campaign staffer has probably been given One Job of physically restraining Trump from doing an Ivanka/Chelsea tweet along the lines of the Melania/Heidi one. So I guess it'll be up to some ordinary moronic tweeters.

Posted by: iforgot at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (pC96u)

417 Always late and always irrelevant. �Entiendo! Es mi culpa. Lo siento.

Posted by: Thanatopsisd at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (JaiYy)

418
Finally found the old bag live:

https://goo.gl/8LvIUx

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (iQIUe)

419 411: Reason enough to wholeheartedly support Trump. 4 years to mend internal wounds on the right with out the Hillbeast shredding the constitution. And yes, I know Trump isn't perfect on this subject. He's scads better than Hillbeast and will have advisors that are much better than him on the constitution!

Posted by: Jackal at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (Lyh9/)

420 #296

**sigh**

A compound bow has wheels or cams. Its a modern bow.

The Mongels had "recurve" laminated bows.

===============

Yes. That's what I meant. Thanks!

**sigh**

Posted by: mrp at July 25, 2016 11:49 AM (JBggj)

421 >> C'mon Bernie Bros., don't let me down!

Fart like the wind!
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at July 25, 2016 11:29 AM

Have the BernBros and BernCisterns considered the GlobalWarming effects of their methane and assorted mercaptan releases upon Gaia?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2016 11:50 AM (zzUT1)

422 326 RoyalOil, why would my name get any bonus troll points? What do you know about it?

And to the person who said Trump isn't Hillary, I told people months ago that Jeb wasn't Hillary either. It didn't save that moderate Republican, so why is it saving the Hillary donor?

Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (hxUdS)

423 My comment really had nothing to do with Trump - was just making the Constitutional argument that overturning Heller would not impose gun control. A legislature (or executive) would have to do it, and the court may not declare such laws or actions unconstitutional. Perhaps same thing to many.

It is the opinion of this court that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to an individual. Gun confiscation may commence immediately.

Posted by: db at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (Gh3mF)

424 387 Chelsea's speech will be called the greatest speech in the history of human language, a soaring angel's song of rhetoric and inspiration that made the entire press corps spontaneously orgasm and half the audience faint. Choirs were heard to sing in the background and a golden beam of light rested on her from above while she spoke.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (39g3+)

What will be enlightening is kind of silly... yet will be a YUGE indicator of if the Hilldog campaign is paying attention.

If Chelsea and Hilldog come out in REALLY expensive clothes? Then they really don't understand the optics or issues of this election...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 11:51 AM (qf6WZ)

425 Any brilliant ideas, anyone? Much appreciated!
Posted by: MTF at July 25, 2016 11:16 AM (/m8T6)

MTF, quickly grabbing the tick with two fingernails is the best tactic in that case, as gross as that may sound. The dog is used to seeing your hand and won't freak out about it. Have a tissue ready in the left hand, grab the tick with the right hand, put the tick into the tissue and dispose as you like.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (RD7QR)

426 If Chelsea and Hilldog come out in REALLY expensive clothes? Then they really don't understand the optics or issues of this election...
You can pile the most expensive clothes on the planet on these two, and they'll still be the gruesome twomsome.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (kk0Wq)

427 It is the opinion of this court that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to an individual. Gun confiscation may commence immediately.

----------

I don't think the people will allow it. The Court hasn't held Obama back on gun control. The people have.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (gmeXX)

428 "Statu variablis."

Posted by: Brunnhilde at July 25, 2016 12:02 PM (aW5/6)

429 I don't think the people will allow it. The Court hasn't held Obama back on gun control. The people have.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:00 PM (gmeXX)

So.... I can buy an AR15 in Calif? I don't need a special card to buy ammunition?

YMMV

Posted by: Don Q. at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (qf6WZ)

430 #318

It was shutdown because it was seen as mutating under the Obamites as a system to allow spying on veterans for any reason, including conservative activism.

Given the choice, I'd take membership in a group that regularly speaks glowingly of overthrowing the government, like say, the New Black Panthers or Nation of Islam, as far more of a warning sign than having served in the US military.

Posted by: Epobirs at July 25, 2016 12:03 PM (IdCqF)

431 So.... I can buy an AR15 in Calif? I don't need a special card to buy ammunition?

YMMV

------------

The people in other states. You live in CA. The people in CA want gun control. In Texas, we do not. Its not a perfect system.

Posted by: SH at July 25, 2016 12:04 PM (gmeXX)

432 They must be democrats then.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Hoping TP will clean up the s*** in DC at July 25, 2016 11:39 AM (jxbfJ)

Both are parasites, so, yes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 25, 2016 12:16 PM (htBb9)

433 "If Chelsea and Hilldog come out in REALLY expensive clothes? Then they
really don't understand the optics or issues of this election..."

The Crown Princess is notoriously tone-deaf on this stuff. If she were a Republican, the press would have savaged her already to where there was no more left of her than of the Kilkenny cats.

Exhibit A: Chelsea musing in an interview that she's "not really motivated by money", a short time after, at age 29, never having had a real job in her life, she had plunked down eleven million dollars in cash to buy a Manhattan luxury penthouse.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 25, 2016 12:22 PM (noWW6)

434 426 If Chelsea and Hilldog come out in REALLY expensive clothes? Then they really don't understand the optics or issues of this election...
You can pile the most expensive clothes on the planet on these two, and they'll still be the gruesome twomsome.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 25, 2016 11:56 AM (kk0Wq)

=========

While in advanced pregnancy, Clinton addressed an animal rights group in black leather pants. LOL Even the leftards were shocked she could be so stupid. Looked dumb, too.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:39 PM (iQIUe)

435 NOOD people, NOOD.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2016 12:40 PM (iQIUe)

436
285 Just had an F-35 fly over the house.

So the other three in the flight got downchecked?

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 25, 2016 01:44 PM (FtrY1)

437 A painting right up my alley. So much so I had to mention it.

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2016 02:22 PM (bksJQ)

438 test

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