Insurrection at the RNC?

The majorities of the delegations of seven states are required for roll call vote of the delegates on the rules.

That averts a cheat we've seen before -- where the guy at the podium calls for a voice vote and then says "The Nays have it" even if the ayes clearly had it.

The challenge to the rules has the support of eleven states' majorities. There should, then, be a role-call vote.

Reports are that the secretary they're supposed to deliver the signatures to (the signatures of the eleven states looking for a role-call vote) is hiding so that the signatures can't be delivered to him/her.

The challenges to the rules would have two big effects: 1, delegates would be unbound, but also 2, it would reject the consolidation of power in a whole host of areas in the RNC and Reince Priebus. Last Thursday or Friday, Mike Lee and like-minded delegates were very animated about stopping this attempted centralization of power in party apparatchick's hands.

Right now it's unclear what the outcome will be. Whip operations are underway to convince delegates to un-sign the petition and stop this from going to a roll call floor vote.

Annnnddd... this being the corrupt Republican Party you've learned to loathe, they ignored the fact that the signatures to force a role-call vote were present, and just held the voice vote, and immediately claimed "the ayes have it."

Mike Lee is attempting to protest, calling out "Point of order! Point of order!," so they, get this, just turned off his microphone.

The delegates are chanting "Role call vote." Look, if you really think the ayes have it, what is the problem with a role call vote? You only go to these measures to avoid a role call vote when you're pretty sure you'd lose a real vote.

Bullshit: Now they're trying to mollify people with a de novo voice vote -- once again, refusing to do an actual roll call vote, which they obviously know they'd lose.

Explanation: The chair is now claiming that while they received nine delegations' asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their petitions, leaving it short of the seven needed. (Paul Ryan was among those whipping to stop the roll call vote, as he saw it as an encroachment on his almighty authority.)

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1 Inside baseball much?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 18, 2016 04:08 PM (C9pBZ)

2 Nintendo is releasing a "classic edition" of the NES in November. $60, with 30 games. Old style controllers. HDMI.

Screw the election. Time for Tecmo Bowl.

Posted by: wooga at July 18, 2016 04:08 PM (2ZlIc)

3 "I'm not a member of an organized party. I'm a Republican."

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 18, 2016 04:08 PM (iIzG7)

4 If you don't get the signatures -- you're a sexist man baby.

Posted by: Sony Pictures at July 18, 2016 04:08 PM (K3F/8)

5 I'm not that big of a Trump guy, but this reeks of typical snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at July 18, 2016 04:09 PM (cPMmb)

6 Cruzies or Bushies?

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2016 04:09 PM (oDCMR)

7
1. Find the secretary.

2. Beat the crap out of them.

3. Deliver signatures to him at hospital.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (iQIUe)

8 First a coup in Turkey, then a coup in Cleveland?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (KUaJL)

9 I'd ask Cruzies or Kasichers

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (bksJQ)

10
Eddie Munster Ryan is behind the dirty pool crap.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (27m1/)

11 A summary of the Republican National Convention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oBx7Jg4m-o

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (vBeA5)

12 "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory"

exactly my first thought, too.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_and_the_dogs at July 18, 2016 04:11 PM (3X3ZR)

13 "First a coup in Turkey, then a coup in Cleveland?"

I wonder whether the one in Cleveland will be any more successful.

And whether it will result in beheadings.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 18, 2016 04:11 PM (iIzG7)

14 Roll-call, role-call, let's call the whole thing off!

Posted by: Country Singer at July 18, 2016 04:11 PM (uiwCw)

15 I don't like it but your choices are Trump or Hillary, pick one.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (bksJQ)

16 You mother-fuckers.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (9ym/8)

17 If Colbert getting in yesterday to mock Trump is any indication of how well security is running this could be a real cluster all the way around.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jjk9k2q

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (aVYsC)

18 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (GwIKd)

19 This is shocking. Just when I think that the GOP can't get anh lamer.

Posted by: Jmel at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (15vyA)

20 Republicans are the most stupid ever.

Get behind Trump or lose to Hillary in November.

Maybe they want Hillary to win..hmmm.

Posted by: Stupid is as Stupid does at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (xB7fY)

21 Reports are that the secretary they're supposed to deliver the signatures to (the signatures of the eleven states looking for a role-call vote) is hiding so that the signatures can't be delivered to him/her.

By the insanity of Cthulhu, that's just utterly pathetic. See my repeated screeching about how refusing to play by the rules demonstrates a contempt for rules in and of themselves.

This is like the Wisconsin Democrats fleeing across state lines so Walker couldn't get a vote on whatever it was. Though, to be fair, they did flee to a Tilted Kilt so, you know, that's understandable.

Also, and I may have this wrong, I thought all this would do is force an actual vote, not that it would unbind automatically. But I could be wrong on that.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:12 PM (mf5HN)

22 Yo Yo!

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (bksJQ)

23 Reports are that the secretary they're supposed to deliver the
signatures to (the signatures of the eleven states looking for a
role-call vote) is hiding so that the signatures can't be delivered to him/her.
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What is this? Fifth grade?!?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (dFi94)

24
You stupid stupid stupid whiney ass motherfuckers.

You. Lost.

You do.not. get to go back and rewrite the rules retoractively.

You want to be an agent of change???? Go change YOUR parties elders that thru their behaviors brought us Trump in the first place.

I am sooooo fucking done with these people.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (8XRCm)

25 *any*

Posted by: Jmel at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (15vyA)

26 This is insufferable.
The hardliners put rules in to thwart shenanigans by Ron Paul, and now want to pull shenanigans of their own.

Trump won the nomination. As did all the other losers before like Dole, McCain, and Romney. Compromise only works one way?

Posted by: wooga at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (2ZlIc)

27 GOPe lusting for power like Gollum for his lost Precious..

Posted by: davidt at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (FpN8r)

28 Bad news in NC. A long time Trump supporter just left meeting with the "Trump Team" and he basically said they were a bunch of arrogant assholes.

This from a very rich Trump supporter who was trying to raise LOTS of money for them.

Totally bush league, like the current flair up with Katch over his endorsement.

This shit is going to get real and we are going to lose to the worst most corrupt democrat candidate evah.

God help us. Thanks Jeb.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (F1iXz)

29 I don't understand

Posted by: @votermom at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (7lVbc)

30
We never out grow the schoolyard

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (lKyWE)

31 Eddie Munster Ryan is behind the dirty pool crap.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (27m1/)
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Let me see if I can dig anything up.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2016 04:14 PM (dFi94)

32 The party mafia - who have been in charge for a long time - don't want to surrender power to the voters. Its completely understandable; hey its their cushy Ox that is going to get gored here.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2016 04:14 PM (OPQZq)

33 effin ryan, democratic sucker of cock. give us boner back. at least he would sleep it off first. these guys are all assholes to the core. this party needs to die.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 18, 2016 04:14 PM (ucDmr)

34 As I have said for the last two threads, You come at the king, you best not miss.

Posted by: Omar Epps at July 18, 2016 04:14 PM (dQJCS)

35 Motion pushed through "without objection" despite obvious objection...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:15 PM (vBeA5)

36 RNC following the tactics of the democrats. But yeah they're totes different.

Posted by: buzzion at July 18, 2016 04:15 PM (z/Ubi)

37 Welcome to Trump's convention, bitches.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:15 PM (Zs4uk)

38 "Screw the election. Time for Tecmo Bowl."

Pick the team with Bo Jackson.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 18, 2016 04:15 PM (OD2ni)

39 Roll call

Not role

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 18, 2016 04:15 PM (wmxwV)

40 Does anyone at the convention really think they are going to be able to replace Trump at this stage?

Or is this just suicide bombing?

Posted by: @votermom at July 18, 2016 04:15 PM (7lVbc)

41 I, for one, will welcome the coronation, ahem election of Madame Hilary to be president.

Posted by: West at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (1Rgee)

42 2 Nintendo is releasing a "classic edition" of the NES in November. $60, with 30 games. Old style controllers. HDMI.

Screw the election. Time for Tecmo Bowl.
Posted by: wooga at July 18, 2016 04:08 PM (2ZlIc)

Word.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (0mRoj)

43 Hey I'm a Cruzer in Texas and I don't want any of this mess. Cruz is by far the better man for the job but let's face it, the GOPe and the media hate the guy and would do anything to get rid of him.

Trump trumps Demedia and that's why he's there. If Trump found a way to get an ally in Cruz it truly would remake the republican party.

Posted by: DanMan at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (RusNE)

44 The vast majority of Americans don't give a flying f*k about this kind of crap, but they do care very much when it is used to subvert their will.

Congress pulls this parliamentary crap all of the time, and it irks people.

But if the RNC succeeds in disrupting the nomination of Trump by using petty games like this the backlash will be epic, and gird your loins for a Clinton presidency.

And I hate Trump and will vote for him only because the FAB is existentially bad for America.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (Zu3d9)

45 I thought, nay, I KNOW we were sworn to that games like this could never happen and if it did, only those who ran in the primary were eligible to be nominated.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (m/IZ9)

46 I'm getting updates from the Unbound movement. They're calling for a walkout.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (HN6JB)

47 It is so nice to see Trump and the RNC work together.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)

48 Even I wouldn't pull a stunt like this.

Posted by: A Kangaroo at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (8ZskC)

49 Just as I have no understanding of what just went on in Turkey, I have no idea of the ins and outs (shut-up) of these conventions and their rules and laws and votes and what-not.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (CFc5L)

50 40 Does anyone at the convention really think they are going to be able to replace Trump at this stage?

Or is this just suicide bombing?

No to the first and yes to the second...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (O2RFr)

51 Burn it all.

Posted by: Iblis at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (9221z)

52 Weren't we told that the only people showing opposition were conservatives?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:17 PM (326rv)

53 This is shocking. Just when I think that the GOP can't get anh lamer.

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Not just GOP - Trump. Trump and RNC are working together.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:17 PM (gmeXX)

54 If I believed that replacing Trump at this juncture would increase the odds of beating Hillary, I would support it (Trump supporters already decided to fuck over conservatives, after all). Unfortunately, I think too many people would sit out in protest over changing the rules after the fact, so I can't get behind this.

It could be an excellent way of forcing reforms in exchange for giving up, however.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at July 18, 2016 04:17 PM (KF8B+)

55 I'm getting updates from the Unbound movement. They're calling for a walkout.
Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (HN6JB)

Don't let the door hit them on the way out...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:17 PM (O2RFr)

56 Annnnddd... this being the corrupt Republican Party you've
learned to loathe, they ignored the fact that the signatures to force a
role-call vote were present, and just held the voice vote, and
immediately claimed "the ayes have it."

Jesus H. Christ on a Ritz cracker.

Screw. Them. All.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 18, 2016 04:17 PM (wtvvX)

57 So an attempt at unbinding the delegates is NECESSARILY linked to an attempt at decentralizing power in the Party?

Clever those GOPe guys. Use the Trump-supporters (and those who want an end to the fatuous search for a miraculous, unifying candidate) to perpetuate and enhance central control.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (T/5A0)

58 Better to serve Hillary than Trump.

Posted by: GOPe at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (FpN8r)

59 Somebody find that Secretary.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (9ym/8)

60 Bad news in NC. A long time Trump supporter just left meeting with the "Trump Team" and he basically said they were a bunch of arrogant assholes.

He's from New York. HELLOOOOOO!!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (m/IZ9)

61 Compromise only works one way?
Posted by: wooga at July 18, 2016 04:13 PM (2ZlIc)

That is what I have taken away from this entire primary season.

Look, the Orange One wasn't even on my list of people to support and I didn't vote for him. But I've been told for, what, nearly 30 years that once the primary voters have spoken, fall in line and shut my mouth and I OWE the Republican nominee my vote.

Until now. Now? Many of those who declaimed the owe my vote as a high minded principle now discover that it's more of a guideline really because omg Trump!

As I keep caterwauling until I'm blue in the face, there will be life after Trump and the stances (they are stances, not principles) being taken now will be remembered.

A whole lot of people have revealed some very ugly truths about themselves.

See, this is where I preen about how my position that no politician is ever owed a vote by any one but must instead earn that vote each and every election works nicely in a situation such as we are in now.

And then I remember our choices are Hillary! or Trump and then I start weeping.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (mf5HN)

62 Stupid Party gonna stupid party...

Posted by: Kensington at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (7Kbxu)

63 ryans' wife is a demonrat lobbyist with a dick. he's a fuckin pussy. thanks, wisconsin. maybe he can endorse puss feingold while he's at it. damn, that guy is pond scum.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (ucDmr)

64 I wanted Cruz, the RNC didn't want Cruz, so they got Trump, I don't feel sorry for them.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (bksJQ)

65 > this being the corrupt Republican Party you've learned to loathe, they ignored the fact that the signatures to force a role-call vote were present, and just held the voice vote, and immediately claimed "the ayes have it."

Sooooo glad I dropped out of that corrupt, worthless, garbage party a year or two ago.

Posted by: ArthurK at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (h53OH)

66 "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory"

That's this year's official theme for the Republican convention. T-shirt sales are expected to cover the $6 million funding gap.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (8ZskC)

67 A Pyrrhic victory IF it happens. Let the collapse of the GOP begin.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (i0ykY)

68 This is why I want Trump to win the election even though I preferred Cruz. If he loses, the establishment will crow about how they were "right" and the GOP will be more emboldened than ever. If Trump wins, the GOP establishment effectively dies.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (Agn5J)

69
I've seen this movie before.

Posted by: Roland Wigglespoon at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (tBNWf)

70 But if the RNC succeeds in disrupting the nomination of Trump by using petty games like this the backlash will be epic, and gird your loins for a Clinton presidency.

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Trump and the RNC are aligned together on this.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (gmeXX)

71
Sooooo glad I dropped out of that corrupt, worthless, garbage party a year or two ago.

Yup, I'm a registered Independent...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (O2RFr)

72 As Prager says there's the stupid party and the destructive party, I'm a member of the stupid party.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (bksJQ)

73 'm not that big of a Trump guy, but this reeks of typical snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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This is about the rules not who is the nominee. This is way more important than that.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (3JA/M)

74 "Better to serve Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: GOPe "

Fark you.

*sorry, I've ben using the "F" word a lot today.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (9ym/8)

75 Seriously, Trump needs to TRY and be gracious. Show some humbleness and consolidate the party.

Would one of you Trumpoids pass this hint along to him?

It would solve a lot of his and our problems.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (F1iXz)

76 A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Is it time to .... Burn it down, scatter the stones, and salt the earth where it stood?

Posted by: Paladin at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (WujO7)

77 Ignore the voters, lose the voters.

And then your jobs, assholes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (PjWy4)

78 This is why I want Trump to win the election even though I preferred Cruz. If he loses, the establishment will crow about how they were "right" and the GOP will be more emboldened than ever. If Trump wins, the GOP establishment effectively dies.

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Are you even watching this? Trump and the GOP are working together. The GOP establishment doesn't die - it is vindicated.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (gmeXX)

79 And then I remember our choices are Hillary! or Trump and then I start weeping.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (mf5HN)

*hands alex a tissue

*bawls uncontrollably

Posted by: gapoz at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (xVRrG)

80 I'm conflicted. I'm not a Trump fan, but I am also generally for the democratic process.
Primaries were held. Trump won. Fair and square.
If we weren't going to listen to the voters, what is the point of holding the primaries? Do the #nevertrumpers have any plans other than throwing a tantrum? It seems like it or not (and I voted and supported Cruz) Trump is the standard bearer. If you don't like that outcome, you should have beat him during the primaries.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (t06LC)

81 Eddie Munster Ryan is behind the dirty pool crap.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2016 04:10 PM (27m1/)

Trump is right in the slime with him up to his orange eyebrows.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (3JA/M)

82 Some of the best chapters about Presidential elections that you'll find in modern political biographies center on the Conventions. Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, there's a long history of side-dealing, shenanigans and switcheroos. We're watching the sausage get made.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (2cS/G)

83 Ok so who is the savior?

Where is this savior?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (4ErVI)

84 Why are they doing this?

Because they are not going to create the chaos of "The Republican Civil War" story that the MSM is salivating for. it is going to be party unity and if that means NeverTrump is pushed off into a corner and sat down, then NeverTrump gets sat down in the corner.

Seriously - did anyone expect anything different? Did anyone actually expect that the RNC was going to let NeverTrump upstage the convention on the convention floor?

NeverTrump served their challenge on their butler's silver salver and the utterly obvious counter was in place.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Saturday! Brother Cavil's Emu Ranch Rodeo! sponsored by the Outrage Outlet. at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (hLRSq)

85 Not just GOP - Trump. Trump and RNC are working together.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:17 PM (gmeXX)

Really.

*adjusts tinfoil hat to cocky new angle*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (8ZskC)

86 So...everything's going as expected?

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (4e+hS)

87 Unbound people now demanding a roll call vote.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (HN6JB)

88 >>>24
You stupid stupid stupid whiney ass motherfuckers.

You. Lost.

You do.not. get to go back and rewrite the rules retoractively.

You want to be an agent of change???? Go change YOUR parties elders that thru their behaviors brought us Trump in the first place.

I am sooooo fucking done with these people.

...

I'm going to allow myself to insult you.

Hey asshole -- it's also a rule that you can call for a roll call vote to reject or accept the rules.

You guys do not believe in rules or democracy. You're social justice warriors -- you believe in whatever "rule" advances the objective you're zealously, maniacally in favor of, and then you curse any dissenters or objecters as some kind of traitors to a cause they never swore allegiance to.

I am sick to death of this fucktarded, childish, brutish, primitivist "whatever we want, goes."

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (dciA+)

89 What does that mean, SH-that Trump and the RNC are working together. You think Trump doest really want to be President but just went through months of some little acting routine? I don't like Trump and he may be having some second thoughts, but I don't think he's working with the RNC. Please explain

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (bpZlE)

90 Well sun is out again should go out and check the garden.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (bksJQ)

91 Trump's people need to pull the Colorado and Maine delegate's credentials and have them thrown out of the convention center and hotels (if they control them too).

Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)

92 Rep. Womack should have allowed the vote. The delegates followed the rules.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (YjDyJ)

93 Burn.
Scatter.
Salt.
Repeat.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (wtvvX)

94 Posted by: washrivergal at July 18, 2016 04:16 PM (CFc5L)

Frogs' Legs is brain food.

Just sayin'....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (Zu3d9)

95 Clever those GOPe guys. Use the Trump-supporters (and those who want an end to the fatuous search for a miraculous, unifying candidate) to perpetuate and enhance central control.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (T/5A0)

Remind me again how the #NeverTrumpers are the ones machinating with the elitist establishment?

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (vBeA5)

96 #NeverTrump was an Inside Job!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (PjWy4)

97 Is Trump still gonna claim to be anti-establishment, when the RNC is rigging the process in his favor?

Posted by: Myself at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (5wiU6)

98 Since Trump is screwing up his moment in Cleveland, I'm watching the Democrats to see what they're planning for us. They're focused on defending BLM, attacking Republicans with violent rhetoric and denouncing the Bill of Rights.

It's easy to foresee political violence ahead of us, on a widespread scale. When the FBI refused to enforce the laws and the President defended police assassinations from the White House it became pretty obvious where this is going. I think I'm going to add to my supplies and hide away for a couple of years.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (/m8T6)

99 Ok so who is the savior?

Jesus Christ

Where is this savior?

Same place he is everyday. At the right hand of God and present in the Holy Spirit.

Of you meant "political savior" There isn't one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (bpZlE)

100 60
Bad news in NC. A long time Trump supporter just left meeting with the
"Trump Team" and he basically said they were a bunch of arrogant
assholes.

He's from New York. HELLOOOOOO!!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (m/IZ9)

The people working NC are NOT from NY. They are just dicks from NC.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (F1iXz)

101 Figures now is when the feckless GOPe finally finds its balls.

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (6IPEM)

102 General Zod/Doctor Doom 2016

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (4ErVI)

103 "The ayes have it." Sounds like some shit Hairy Reed or Nancy Pelosi would do.

Said all along there is no difference in the two parties.

Posted by: Golfman at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (48QDY)

104 What does that mean, SH-that Trump and the RNC are
working together. You think Trump doest really want to be President but
just went through months of some little acting routine? I don't like
Trump and he may be having some second thoughts, but I don't think he's
working with the RNC. Please explain

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (bpZlE)

Fen... Trump's people spent all morning trying to arm twist delegations into withdrawing their petitions for a roll call vote.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (3JA/M)

105
"You only go to these measures to avoid a role call vote when you're pretty sure you'd lose a real vote."

Here's another possibility. You don't put up with these hurt girl shenanigans from the delusional #NeverTrump fringe, designed solely to publicly damage a ticket they can't beat in the Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (kdS6q)

106 "Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like"

Oh, yeah, that's a way to get people to vote for you.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (HN6JB)

107 Bring me the head of JEB Bush!11!!!

Posted by: Donald Erdogan at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (oia+s)

108 96
#NeverTrump was an Inside Joeb!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (PjWy4)

FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (F1iXz)

109 I'm fine with rejecting the consolidation of power. That is the problem with the GOPe. I find the need that delegates be unbound stupid.

Posted by: buzzion at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (z/Ubi)

110 What does that mean, SH-that Trump and the RNC are working together.

Trump and the RNC are working together to stuff the #NeverTrumpers. The Unbounders are trying to get a recorded vote and the RNC doesn't want to give it to them.

At least that's what I'm understanding.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (evdj2)

111 Frogs' Legs is brain food.

Just sayin'....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (Zu3d9)

Then I shall remain as dumb as a post.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (CFc5L)

112 Where is my cane!?

Posted by: Charles Sumner at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (i0ykY)

113 Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (3JA/M)

So what do you think that means? What are the implications?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (bpZlE)

114 Never Trump now?

What the fuck are you gonna do now?

Jesus.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (9ym/8)

115 Stupid Party gonna stupid party

----

No
This is their ending, if they push it through.

Things will only become worse now.

Sorry. Join the Democrats and hope to fix that.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (wmxwV)

116 I guess Trump was right. The system is rigged.

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (bhbDH)

117 Never get the idea that either Party will let the peons have a voice in who they want to nominate. The game has never moved from the "smoke filled rooms? of yesteryear just because they went to the primary system. It was rigged before, it is rigged now, and it will always be rigged.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (mpXpK)

118 58
Better to serve Hillary than Trump.

Posted by: GOPe at July 18, 2016 04:18 PM (FpN8r)

Actually....I'm thinking the level of chaos in the world is working against Trump. Hillary can conjure up a certain nostalgia for a much more orderly, but not too distant past. As the end of the world as we know it heats up, I'm afraid it may actually help Hillary, at least with a segment of the population.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (uOimA)

119
Trump's people need to pull the Colorado and Maine delegate's
credentials and have them thrown out of the convention center and hotels
(if they control them too).

Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)

Scratch a liberal, uncover a fascist.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (3JA/M)

120 Here's another possibility. You don't put up with
these hurt girl shenanigans from the delusional #NeverTrump fringe,
designed solely to publicly damage a ticket they can't beat in the Game
of Thrones.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (kdS6q)

A gracious victor wins more votes than a vindictive one. It's Trumps move.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (F1iXz)

121 As it turns out, Trump does like a rigged system.

Posted by: WisRich at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (hdpay)

122 Annnnddd... this being the corrupt Republican Party you've learned to loathe, they ignored the fact that the signatures to force a role-call vote were present, and just held the voice vote, and immediately claimed "the ayes have it."

Fuck those guys. They've shown they have as low a regard for principle and the rules as the Democrats. I think I've hit peak disgust.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (0mRoj)

123 Okay, someone help me out here. I don't understand the procedural rules. Is this an anti-Trump move by GOPe or a pro-Trump effort?

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (6IPEM)

124 Gordon Humphrey: Brownshirts, Fascists, #NeverTrump

Surprise!

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (NUqwG)

125 How is it democratic to allow the delegates to be unbound from the nominee that the voters in their state chose? If that is the case, why have a primary process at all? Just let the delegates choose who they like.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (a0IVu)

126 Are you even watching this? Trump and the GOP are working together. The GOP establishment doesn't die - it is vindicated.

I wasn't, since I'm working, but I didn't think the establishment would embrace Trump. I guess anything to save their sorry asses.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (Agn5J)

127 71----Trump and the RNC are aligned together on this.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (gmeXX)
-------------------------------------
Indeed.
The RNC will support Trump's nomination and he will support their determination to hold onto and enhance control of the party.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 18, 2016 04:26 PM (T/5A0)

128 Oh man.

Posted by: WisRich at July 18, 2016 04:26 PM (hdpay)

129 Have they started throwing their glasses of whine in each others faces yet?

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 18, 2016 04:26 PM (4e+hS)

130 ". You don't put up with
these hurt girl shenanigans from the delusional #NeverTrump fringe,
designed solely to publicly damage a ticket they can't beat in the Game
of Thrones."

Bullshit. They followed the rules to get the vote. You let them have the goddamn vote.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:26 PM (HN6JB)

131 Trump's people need to pull the Colorado and Maine delegate's credentials and have them thrown out of the convention center and hotels (if they control them too).

Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like.
Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)

Word.

Posted by: President Erdoğan at July 18, 2016 04:26 PM (vBeA5)

132 This is bullshit.

Absolute horseshit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:26 PM (9ym/8)

133 I see McVain is out with a quote blaming SCOAMF for the terror attack in the south of France.

So much for "We have nothing to fear from Barack Obama in the White House!".

What a fucking dolt.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (/m8T6)

134 123
Okay, someone help me out here. I don't understand the procedural
rules. Is this an anti-Trump move by GOPe or a pro-Trump effort?

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (6IPEM)

Pro

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (F1iXz)

135 I'm kind of puzzled. Just to make sure that I understand correctly -

Because they didn't do a roll call, they can't vote on a rules change that would -

1.) Unbind the delegates, allowing them to vote for whomever they wanted (i.e. Someone other than Trump)
2.). Prevent the consolidation of power by party leaders

Is that correct?

Posted by: junior at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (mUM5y)

136 I'm fine with rejecting the consolidation of power. That is the problem with the GOPe. I find the need that delegates be unbound stupid.

Posted by: buzzion at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (z/Ubi)

The whole damn thing is stupid. Trump and the RNC are acting as bullies so they won't be embarrassed, the nevertrumpers don't have any answer besides embarrassing Trump. Who wins in this? Hillary. Hillary benefits here.

If the nevertrumps could articulate a cogent reason and plan moving forward that would help the parties chances in November, I'm open to it. This just looks like sour grapes.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (t06LC)

137 Seriously, Trump needs to TRY and be gracious. Show some humbleness and consolidate the party.

Would one of you Trumpoids pass this hint along to him?

It would solve a lot of his and our problems.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:19 PM (F1iXz)

----

BULLSHIT.

Undoing a fucking primary election is not about "personality" its about power.

JEB ditching the convention aint meeting halfway.
KATSHIT ditching the convention aint about meeting halfway.

You want to meet halfway. Admit you lost and go from there.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

138 All this notwithstanding... when it gets to where, out of three hundred million Americans, we give ourselves the choice between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to rule our nation, it doesn't bode well for the Republic.

Sell the farm, and go long on canned goods.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (iIzG7)

139 So this is starting out like I thought...The Republicans are at each others throats, the "protesters" are nasty, the loosing Candidates are all whiny babies and it's a friggin circus.... When the Dems have their Convention it will be all Peace,harmony, and love for the annotated one...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (O2RFr)

140 Pro if you mean the attempt to not let there be a roll call vote. The roll call vote is anti

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (F1iXz)

141 Iowa and Colorado delegates leave.

Posted by: Joanne at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (hgBpU)

142 Since the convention rules apparently don't matter anymore, why not just eject any delegates who do not vote for Trump on the first ballot?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (bhbDH)

143 -snif- -snif-

Is that...kerosene I smell?

Self-immolation's back on the agenda!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (9krrF)

144 As we have long suspected, the GOPe would rather have a HRC Presidency than the threat of a Trump Presidency.

Screw the country. Screw the voters. I've got mine and I want to keep it.
GOPe Motto -

Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (oiNtH)

145 >>This is bullshit.

>>Absolute horseshoe.

That's a lot of shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (/tuJf)

146 Sure it looks goofy and stupid and risky as hell.

But serious you guys you haven't seen these checks. I've never seen so many zeroes in my life.

Posted by: GOPe at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (4ErVI)

147 139 So this is starting out like I thought...The Republicans are at each others throats, the "protesters" are nasty, the loosing Candidates are all whiny babies and it's a friggin circus.... When the Dems have their Convention it will be all Peace,harmony, and love for the annotated one...

And attacking the racist po-po.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (Agn5J)

148 A gracious victor wins more votes than a vindictive one. It's Trumps move.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (F1iXz)

The guys who lost have a role to play in accepting their loss with grace. So long as NeverTrump insists that it is still fighting Trump's nomination, Trump gets to fight back.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Saturday! Brother Cavil's Emu Ranch Rodeo! sponsored by the Outrage Outlet. at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (hLRSq)

149 Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (3JA/M)

So what do you think that means? What are the implications?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2016 04:24 PM (bpZlE)

The implication for anyone who thought that Trump would destroy the GOPe is that they are wrong. He was a liberal progressive, he is a liberal progressive and he is not going to do a damn thing to upset the status quo that he benefits from.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (3JA/M)

150 How is it democratic to allow the delegates to be unbound from the nominee that the voters in their state chose? If that is the case, why have a primary process at all? Just let the delegates choose who they like.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (a0IVu)

It'd save a lot of money in primaries.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (t06LC)

151 "The chair is now claiming that while they received nine delegations' asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their petitions, leaving it short of the seven needed. (P"

I'm calling bullshit on that since they had 11 states.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (HN6JB)

152 Wait a minute here.

Are you telling me this clown car is actually FULL OF CLOWNS?

I want my money back!

Posted by: torquewrench at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (noWW6)

153 designed solely to publicly damage a ticket they can't beat in the Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (kdS6q)

Too late.

Trump beat them to it.

Posted by: The Un-Convention-al Hat at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (vBeA5)

154 131 Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like.
Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk
-----------------------------------------------

And this perfectly explains exactly why the GOP is in this fix.

Win at all costs, even if you have to hold an old man responsible to the assassination of a president. Trump literally has very little time to make peace, and screwing over delegations won't do it.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (/m8T6)

155 Whig-like dissolution of the Grand Old Party is hard for me to watch. Those of you cheering it on? What, exactly, do you intend to replace it with? Trump? A party based on his ideology, whatever thehell it is? Give me abreak.

Posted by: troyriser at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (UWlp+)

156 >>>91 Trump's people need to pull the Colorado and Maine delegate's credentials and have them thrown out of the convention center and hotels (if they control them too).

Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like.
Posted by: jwest

...

some have just stopped bothering to hide their will-to-power authoritarian lusts.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (dciA+)

157
137 Seriously, Trump needs to TRY and be gracious. Show some humbleness and consolidate the party.

No.

First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (Zs4uk)

158 >>>I'm calling bullshit on that since they had 11 states.

yup

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (dciA+)

159
How is it democratic to allow the delegates to be unbound from the nominee that the voters in their state chose?
Posted by: IC

It's even more democratic to take a delegate from the candidate you selected in a primary, and give it to someone we like better.

So there.

Posted by: #NeverTrumpers

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (kdS6q)

160 Okay, someone help me out here. I don't understand the procedural

rules. Is this an anti-Trump move by GOPe or a pro-Trump effort?

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (6IPEM)

From what I understand this is just an attempt to take more control of the infrastructure. If they can't control the vote then they will control those that count the vote.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (uOimA)

161 Ah well, how bad could another Clinton presidency be?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (Agn5J)

162 States calling for roll call: UNBOUND: MN, IA, WA, CO, DC, ND, AK, VA, UT, ME, WY - updated list of all 11 states submitting petitions for roll call vote

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (HN6JB)

163 JEB ditching the convention aint meeting halfway.

KATSHIT ditching the convention aint about meeting halfway.

You want to meet halfway. Admit you lost and go from there.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 18, 2016 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

Like I said, it's Trumps move. Spitting in the face of the most powerful politician in OH is not a smart move, IF you want to win.

It's Trump's ego that is getting in the way of our victory. He has ALL the moves.
The losers need love too.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (F1iXz)

164 The guys who lost have a role to play in accepting
their loss with grace. So long as NeverTrump insists that it is still
fighting Trump's nomination, Trump gets to fight back.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Saturday! Brother Cavil's Emu Ranch Rodeo!
sponsored by the Outrage Outlet. at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (hLRSq)

No he doesn't... he either plays by the rules or he is a cheater just like Ryan.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (3JA/M)

165 156 >>>91 Trump's people need to pull the Colorado and Maine delegate's credentials and have them thrown out of the convention center and hotels (if they control them too).

Time to show these whining little fucks what power looks like.
Posted by: jwest

...

some have just stopped bothering to hide their will-to-power authoritarian lusts.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (dciA+)

To be fair, jwest has never hid his authoritarian lusts.

Posted by: buzzion at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (z/Ubi)

166 125 How is it democratic to allow the delegates to be unbound from the nominee that the voters in their state chose?

Exactly. The nevertrumpers keep screaming "undemocratic" when what they want is a republican (the system, not the party) solution to a "problem" created by democracy.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (s/EUv)

167 >>>First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

Posted by: jwest

...

who says many of trump's supporters are authoritarians with Strong Man on a Horse power fantasies?

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (dciA+)

168 Say a delegate is from a district that went 55-45 for Trump in the primary. The Party selects him to represent that 55-45 voter population in, say, the month of May, with the convention a few months away. The delegate that was chosen by the Party changes his mind in the intervening months, will no longer support Trump. They (the voters) chose the individual to cast the Vote, they did not bind him to their candidate as a rubber stamp. He, the delegate, will face the consequences of his own vote/non-vote. I don't see a problem with that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (2cS/G)

169 Back, and to the left.

Back, and to the left.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (4ErVI)

170 I seem to recall that this is stuff we complained about Democrats doing in their conventions. Republicans do learn, I guess.

Posted by: Stephen Blair at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (2lndx)

171 161
Ah well, how bad could another Clinton presidency be?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (Agn5J)

That ninth supreme court justice just voided the 2nd amendment, turn in your guns.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (F1iXz)

172 "The chair is now claiming that while they received
nine delegations' asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their
petitions, leaving it short of the seven needed. (P"

I'm calling bullshit on that since they had 11 states.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (HN6JB)

And were hiding bhind armed guards to keep from receiving even more.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (3JA/M)

173 I find this magical-thinking, pajama-boy shenanigans on display quite disheartening. It shows a distressing lack of any grasp of reality.
"According to page 24, section 8, clause 62B, we can now invalidate your nomination."

As Napoleon might say - Vous et quelle arm�e ?

Posted by: @votermom at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (7lVbc)

174 I will admit to not knowing wut is going on with this nonsense. The person who got the highest public vote should be the winner. Period.

A vote, last week, to change the delegate rules (and please correct if wrong as paying more attention to massacres of innocents vs stompy-pants "my guy did not win")...the tally was around 87 to 12. The twelve included Mike Lee and others who are trying to upend the convention. Twelve delegates who can vote the way they want. Whatever.

Seriously, if there was an upheaval of the #neverTrumps...what would happen? Who would they throw in there? Perhaps someone who did not even campaign? (Lookin at Mitt). Or, someone who did not win a primary...like !jeb! Wow, that would work out well. Just great. It is almost like Bill Kristol deciding a few weeks ago to insert McCain as his champion. Pathetic.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (MhL06)

175
I am sick to death of this fucktarded, childish, brutish, primitivist "whatever we want, goes."

What do you really think Ace?

I think Trump played this wrong, he would win but show he is confident and magnanimous...and might also force the hag to have to undergo the same treatment in Philly.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (mB79s)

176 The implication for anyone who thought that Trump would destroy the GOPe is that they are wrong. He was a liberal progressive, he is a liberal progressive and he is not going to do a damn thing to upset the status quo that he benefits from.

--------------

Bingo. The GOP establishment was not afraid of Trump. They are using Trump to maintain their power.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (gmeXX)

177 I shoulda been a delegate, I received invitations to go to the Texas thing to try for national.
Annnddd this is why don't identify as a republican.

Posted by: lindafell- TEXIT!! at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (xVgrA)

178
Trump gets to fight back.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH

I can hit you, but you can't hit me back! Cause Ima girl!

Posted by: #NeverTrumpers

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (kdS6q)

179 Since the convention rules apparently don't matter anymore, why not just eject any delegates who do not vote for Trump on the first ballot?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (bhbDH)

Worked for me!

Posted by: Saddam Hussein at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (vBeA5)

180 Why would you not have an alternate Secretary (or two)? Just to keep the show moving - what if the guy gets sick.

Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (Doh4+)

181 >>First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

I think Trump is following a plan very similar to what you are recommending. Perhaps Trump should have spent a few moments trying to win some of these people over during the last several months instead of telling them to shut the hell up and get in line.

Reap of whirlwinds and all that.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (/tuJf)

182 33 effin ryan, democratic sucker of cock. give us boner back. at least he would sleep it off first. these guys are all assholes to the core. this party needs to die.

The presiding officer for the day is Rep. Steve Womack of Arkansas.

@JakeSherman 13m ago Steve Womack- who is presiding over this - is a mild-mannered congressman from Arkansas. An army vet - former mayor of Rogers l, Arkansas

@ZekeJMiller 10m ago Rep Steve Womack drew the short straw of having to preside over chaotic scene.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (YjDyJ)

183 Fuck those fucking fuckers in particular.

In their peeholes.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (yv7u6)

184 *hands alex a tissue

*bawls uncontrollably
Posted by: gapoz at July 18, 2016 04:20 PM (xVRrG)

*shoves eye heroin through usb port*

In other news, I got sent flowers from someone we helped with a very frustrating project so that's nice.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (mf5HN)

185 Fuck the fucking fuckers!

Posted by: Drill at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (DN9jO)

186 150 How is it democratic to allow the delegates to be unbound from the nominee that the voters in their state chose? If that is the case, why have a primary process at all? Just let the delegates choose who they like.
Posted by: IC at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (a0IVu)
It'd save a lot of money in primaries.
Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2016 04:28 PM (t06LC)

The primaries are kinda like voting for Prop. 8 in California; a completely meaningless gesture that will be overturned by our betters should we vote the wrong way.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (SRKgf)

187 "No he doesn't... he either plays by the rules or he is a cheater just like Ryan."

Trump doesn't have the right to fight for his votes and the primary process? I don't recall Trump cheating.

Update me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (9ym/8)

188 Trump gets to fight back.

-----------

Sure he dose. But when he fights back with the RNC to shut down a delegate petition, don't tell me how much he is going to destroy the establishment.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

189 The primaries are kinda like voting for Prop. 8 in California; a completely meaningless gesture that will be overturned by our betters should we vote the wrong way.

what you said

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:33 PM (O2RFr)

190 Apparently, Price is now a spam marker in names. Anti-spam, always knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Posted by: Stephen Blair at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (2lndx)

191 I guess Trump was right. The system is rigged.
-------------------------------------

Yep, he's insuring the rigging.

Posted by: BuyMoreBrawndo at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (vaFpc)

192 Thanks Nip Sip and DFCtomm. A little clearer now.

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (6IPEM)

193 First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (Zs4uk)

Tywin Lannister? Is that you?

That's harsh bro. Trump did reach across and pick Pence, with his head, but I think his heart was with Newt. Yeah, quenching the floor vote is undemocratic, but so is allowing these electors to vote free once they have been bound. What about the voter's votes? Don't those mean anything.
We've had two good cycles laughing at the democrats and their rigged superdelagates. Wouldn't unbinding the delegations now be worse?

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (t06LC)

194
The GOP establishment was not afraid of Trump. They are using Trump to maintain their power.
Posted by: SH

And they're afraid of -- what -- NeverTrump dream date Mitt Romney? That's why The Man is trying to keep a brother down?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (kdS6q)

195 Okay, someone help me out here. I don't understand the procedural

rules. Is this an anti-Trump move by GOPe or a pro-Trump effort?

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:25 PM (6IPEM)

From
what I understand this is just an attempt to take more control of the
infrastructure. If they can't control the vote then they will control
those that count the vote.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (uOimA)

This is an attempt to have a roll call vote on the rules instead of a bullshit voice vote where the chairman only "hears" the voices he wants to hear.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (3JA/M)

196 Sooooo, the GOPe is now run by a bunch of passive-aggressive 12 year old girls.

And the #NeverTrumpers are a bunch of retarded passive-aggressive 6 year old girls.

Just when I think that my opinion of both of them can't get any lower.

It can!

Any chance both groups can go smother to death in a big pile of gopher shit?

And let the normal people get on with trying to save the country from Hillary! and her Hillaroids.

No?

Well...okay then.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (0cMkb)

197 We just had the Democrat candidate for president saying if elected she would push for a constitutional amendment making it unconstitutional to criticize her and the #nevertrumpers are pulling this???

I'd say incredible but sadly it not.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (3Xxpy)

198 I was talking to my husband last night about the election. I wondered what if Trump is elected president? Given the weak state of Congress, the Scalia-less Supreme Court, the inept Pentagon, so you believe anyone would tell our current President "no" if he decided not to step down come January 20th? My husband said the only thing that would stop him is the Constitution, but has that stopped him from anything else? I just have a feeling about this.

Posted by: California Girl at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (Pt5D1)

199 So when do they pull the fire alarm, table the motion, and come back in and deem it failed?

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (HN6JB)

200 Unbound people now demanding a roll call vote.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (HN6JB)
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That's who I voted for in the primary. Undesignated Delegate. Undesignated Delegate should probably designate about now.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (dFi94)

201 First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (Zs4uk)

And people wonder why #NeverTrump people are so adamantly against Trump and his supporters.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (vBeA5)

202 Test test

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (HvbSz)

203 " I'm fine with rejecting the consolidation of power. That is the problem with the GOPe. I find the need that delegates be unbound stupid. "

Posted by: buzzion at July 18, 2016 04:23 PM (z/Ubi)
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By linking the two things, the GOPe doesn't have to worry about Trump supporters joining the forces that want to reject the consolidation of power.

Trump supporters won't see that. All they will see is the effort to unbind delegates and they'll do what the GOPe wants.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (T/5A0)

204 States calling for roll call: UNBOUND: MN, IA, WA, CO, DC, ND, AK, VA, UT, ME, WY - updated list of all 11 states submitting petitions for roll call vote

Did any of these go for trump? if not, then why are they allowed to force everyone else to invalidate the primaries?

The GOPe is trying to quell people from being heard.

What these people who want to be heard are saying is, "do-over!!"

So it's a shitshow

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (326rv)

205 197 We just had the Democrat candidate for president saying if elected she would push for a constitutional amendment making it unconstitutional to criticize her and the #nevertrumpers are pulling this??

Not to mention Her little speech to the NAACP saying Cops should stop shooting Black men...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (O2RFr)

206 Winona Winona

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (HvbSz)

207 The primaries are kinda like voting for Prop. 8 in California; a completely meaningless gesture that will be overturned by our betters should we vote the wrong way.

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No, the "betters" (as you have put them) just aligned themselves with Trump to take more power away from the grass roots.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (gmeXX)

208
Ostensibly, this assembly is comprised of adults.

Evidence supporting the theory seems to be lacking.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (X35Yt)

209 Oh! And while I am ranting...a list, please, of any of the 16 campaigners who signed the "pledge" they insisted on...

!jeb!
Katshit

These are the two I remember. Are there others who signed the "pledge" and are not supporting the GOP candidate vs Hillary?

I have had several frantic emails from Rubio, him calling me a "friend" wanting money as polls must be showing something or other. First, I am not in Florida. Second, he knows damn well that I have been po'd at him since Gang of Eight. Third, he could get his little arse to the convention but he won't. I "think" he endorsed, lukewarmish, to Mr. Trump. I hope he does get defeated as he lied to get elected. Bite moi. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (MhL06)

210 174 I will admit to not knowing wut is going on with this nonsense. The person who got the highest public vote should be the winner. Period.

A vote, last week, to change the delegate rules (and please correct if wrong as paying more attention to massacres of innocents vs stompy-pants "my guy did not win")...the tally was around 87 to 12. The twelve included Mike Lee and others who are trying to upend the convention. Twelve delegates who can vote the way they want. Whatever.

Seriously, if there was an upheaval of the #neverTrumps...what would happen? Who would they throw in there? Perhaps someone who did not even campaign? (Lookin at Mitt). Or, someone who did not win a primary...like !jeb! Wow, that would work out well. Just great. It is almost like Bill Kristol deciding a few weeks ago to insert McCain as his champion. Pathetic.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (MhL06)

^This.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (t06LC)

211 I'm firmly in the, "I don't get it" camp.

Going to re-read the post.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (U+nHb)

212 I think Trump is following a plan very similar to
what you are recommending. Perhaps Trump should have spent a few moments
trying to win some of these people over during the last several months
instead of telling them to shut the hell up and get in line.

Reap of whirlwinds and all that.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 04:32 PM (/tuJf)

THIS. He is also basically telling everyone in NC to STFU. Never heard a supporter bad mouth his own candidate, that he supported from the beginning. Very shocking to him and me.

Trump's team is amateur hour.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (F1iXz)

213 This is all basic stuff. I didn't even apprentice under Hitler to learn it.

If you're going to consolidate a group with wildly different points of view, you need to establish order right off the bat. Afterwards, when the opposition is bloody and battered, you extend a hand of kindness.

This works for everyone from corporate CEOs to pimps.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (Zs4uk)

214 Aaron Gardner Retweeted John Frank
@ByJohnFrank 5m ago Delegates Unbound effort said they had 11 states -- so 5 dropped after Trump forces applied pressure #copolitics #RNC2016

@ZekeJMiller 5m ago Delegates Unbound sends text message to supporters: "Rigged election. Walk out."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (YjDyJ)

215 who says many of trump's supporters are authoritarians with Strong Man on a Horse power fantasies?

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:31 PM (dciA+)

This the same Ace who was happy with the GOP twisting the rules to get rid of Trump if he lagged too far behind in the pols?

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (uOimA)

216 Well, it's fucking Monday what did you expect... good news?

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (HgMAr)

217

This is just not who we are as a country, as a people.

This is just not who we are as a country, as a people.

This is just not who we are as a country, as a people.

This is just not who we are as a country, as a people.

This is just not who we are as a country, as a people.

This is just not who we are as a country, as a people.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (sItQg)

218 First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (Zs4uk)

"Crush zem! Break zem! Grindzere bones into bread!"

Really? Get a grip, West. Geez.

Posted by: troyriser at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (UWlp+)

219 First, Trump needs to crush the whining little pricks who can't accept reality. Once they are broken, then he can be gracious accepting their apologies and pledges of loyalty.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:29 PM (Zs4uk)

And people wonder why #NeverTrump people are so adamantly against Trump and his supporters.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (vBeA5)

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No kidding.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (gmeXX)

220 Unbound people now demanding a roll call vote.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:21 PM (HN6JB)
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That's who I voted for in the primary. Undesignated Delegate. Undesignated Delegate should probably designate about now.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (dFi94)

Whether someone is pro or anti-Trump, the rules vote deserves an actual vote count.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (3JA/M)

221 To be fair, jwest has never hid his authoritarian lusts.
Posted by: buzzion at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (z/Ubi)

This is true. He's a HOA President for god's sake.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (0mRoj)

222 I just have a feeling about this.

People on one side or another have that feeling every election year.

Obama does not want to remain president of the United States. He wants to rule the world, and he does not believe the United States is worthy to wield power.

Posted by: Stephen Blair at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (2lndx)

223 "on't tell me how much he is going to destroy the establishment.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:33 meXX)"

So, you like to talkn dirty.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (9ym/8)

224 This is an attempt to have a roll call vote on the rules instead of a bullshit voice vote where the chairman only "hears" the voices he wants to hear.
Posted by: redbanzai

Except that it's not an "attempt to have a roll call vote on the rules". It's an attempt to shitcan the primaries.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (326rv)

225
@ZekeJMiller 5m ago Delegates Unbound sends text message to supporters: "Rigged election. Walk out."

Honestly who the fuck do they want? Kasich, Romney, Jeb?

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (O2RFr)

226 Learn from the Turks: You can't pull off a coup if you aren't willing to play hardball. Playing nice just lets them turn the tables on you.

This whole "be gracious" crap always seems to translate as "lose and smile".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (9krrF)

227 So a small angry group of #NeverTrumpers is demanding a full roll call vote on a rule change measure that everyone knows has no chance of passing just so they can strut their moral virtue in front of a national audience of voters?

Yeah. Whatever.

Meanwhile, Hillary cackles maniacally.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:38 PM (8ZskC)

228 Explanation: The chair is now claiming that while they received nine delegations' asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their petitions, leaving it short of the seven needed. (Paul Ryan was among those whipping to stop the roll call vote, as he saw it as an encroachment on his almighty authority.)

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

If that's true, then name them. Name the delegations who asked for it and then name the ones who backed out so that we, the voters, can see if that's true.

Because that's fucking bullshit.

Look, I think the Never Trump thing is utter malarkey but if they played by the rules, bring it up for a vote.

And now I will be an enormous cunt. Hey, Senator Lee, now do you understand how the base has felt for the last 8 years? How playing by the rules and abiding by decorum and acting in good faith results in having the GOP rules shit in our mouths?

Now do you get it? Do you?

(Yes, I know that's a bit unfair to Sen. Lee but I am not in a generous mood)

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:38 PM (mf5HN)

229 Mijn hart vraagt de overkant van de tulpen - Winona!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:38 PM (HvbSz)

230 The Artists Formerly Known As #NeverRinos, who are lashing out at Trump critics right now, are amusing. Desperately supporting a Hillary-donating, Illegal-alien-hiring and Democrat Party stalwart like Donald Trump still hasn't tripped their irony meter. I'll vote for the douchebag, but I'll continue to ignore or mock his most ardent fans.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 18, 2016 04:39 PM (2cS/G)

231 Well....it's going to be interesting to see what's left of the Republican Party after this election season.

Trump hasn't shown much interest in building the team or supporting down-ballot candidates so if he wins it may be wide open to move in new directions....or not.

If he loses, rebuilding the coalition of national security hawks, fiscal conservatives, and social conservatives may be difficult. Lots of bad blood to clean up.

Posted by: Jill v2 at July 18, 2016 04:39 PM (8048L)

232 Is Bobby Knight there yet, he would start throwing chairs

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2016 04:39 PM (6Ll1u)

233 So a small angry group of #NeverTrumpers is demanding a full roll call vote on a rule change measure that everyone knows has no chance of passing just so they can strut their moral virtue in front of a national audience of voters?

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Even though it has no chance, Trump and RNC aligned themselves in an effort to strip power away from the grass roots. Trump is totally going to destroy the establishment.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:39 PM (gmeXX)

234 By linking the two things, the GOPe doesn't have to worry about Trump supporters joining the forces that want to reject the consolidation of power.

Trump supporters won't see that. All they will see is the effort to unbind delegates and they'll do what the GOPe wants.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (T/5A0)

Trump supporters are being used.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:39 PM (vBeA5)

235 Whew! I thought Winona and/or Dutch was banned for a second!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (HvbSz)

236 Learn from the Turks: You can't pull off a coup if you aren't willing to play hardball. Playing nice just lets them turn the tables on you.

This whole "be gracious" crap always seems to translate as "lose and smile".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 18, 2016 04:37 PM (9krrF)
.................

Shades of Romney.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (HgMAr)

237 Let me put this in a way for the Trump fans to understand.

Trump and Paul Ryan just worked together to strip power away from the grass roots.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

238 Here's the thing, the people calling for the vote are following the rules the GOP established.

The GOP decided, nope, we're not gonna honor those rules.

Regardless of Trump, that's bullshit.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (HN6JB)

239 Well, at least tomorrow is rapey Tuesday.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (Nwg0u)

240 If Bobby Kennedy was there, he'd be humping Michele Bachmann.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (8ZskC)

241 Pathetic. Just simply pathetic display. Will not watch.

Their suicide attempt would rather have Hillary. What kind of logic is that?

Mr. Trump was not my first choice by a long shot, but I support him. I would have supported the winner, regardless, as that is what I do. I also call him Mr. Trump as I call policemen or police officers vs the term, "cop."

I have always disliked sore losers. That is not changing reading this today of GOPe sore loser pants.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (MhL06)

242 Whether someone is pro or anti-Trump, the primaries deserve to be flushed down a rathole..
Posted by: redbanzai

Clarified that for you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (326rv)

243 I'll vote for the douchebag, but I'll continue to ignore or mock his most ardent fans.

He's My last choice, but He's what We got... I just can't stomach a Hillary Presidency and the inevitable end to the Supreme Court abiding by the Constitution... It's mostly there already...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:41 PM (O2RFr)

244 States calling for roll call: UNBOUND: MN, IA, WA,
CO, DC, ND, AK, VA, UT, ME, WY - updated list of all 11 states
submitting petitions for roll call vote

Did any of these go for trump? if not, then why are they allowed to force everyone else to invalidate the primaries?

The GOPe is trying to quell people from being heard.

What these people who want to be heard are saying is, "do-over!!"

So it's a shitshow

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (326rv)

Blue Hen... this NOT about never Trump. This is about whether the RNC will follow its own rules.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:41 PM (3JA/M)

245 The YAF-ish purge of the Trump supporters after November will be the only thing to keep us warm in the Hillary ~~Gulags~~ Hillary Fun Camps...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:41 PM (vBeA5)

246 All yer Republics...

Posted by: dananjcon at July 18, 2016 04:41 PM (NpXoL)

247 Blue Hen... this NOT about never Trump. This is about whether the RNC will follow its own rules.

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It is quite simple. The RNC with the help of Trump wish to strip power away from the delegates - from the rank and file.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (gmeXX)

248 De trampoline is leeg voor haar -
Tranen vallen op mijn bieten en pannenkoeken - Winona!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (HvbSz)

249 And people wonder why #NeverTrump people are so adamantly against Trump and his supporters.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:35 PM (vBeA5)

It's no wonder to me at all. Their long-time, insider machinations are being used against them by someone who is even more ruthless. Twice the pride, double the fall.

Posted by: Foul Harold at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (D8fDd)

250 I'm in charge here!

Posted by: Recep Tayyip Erdoğan at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (IqV8l)

251 That ninth supreme court justice just voided the 2nd amendment, turn in your guns.

Pfft, assault slingshots, baby!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (kFnmp)

252 192
Thanks Nip Sip and DFCtomm. A little clearer now.

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 04:34 PM (6IPEM)

It's parliamentary procedure, it's clear as mud by nature.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (uOimA)

253 Trump and Paul Ryan just worked together to strip power away from the grass roots.

Posted by: SH

So, the party is united.

Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (Doh4+)

254 Since I don't have insider's knowledge of this, I'm wondering how much of this is GOPe machination, and how much of this is buyer's remorse.

Anecdotally - and this is only anecdotally - I have a significant number of friends who voted for Trump in their respective primaries because they were convinced he was a hardcore conservative who was going to restore the things they believed in. Many are suffering from buyer's remorse and wishing they could go back and change their votes. Many others have learned what he is after the fact but either won't admit their mistake, or are sticking with him because at least he'll be kicking the right people's teeth in.

And I mean no offense at any voting for Trump who have stuck with their choice.

I can see a person - a delegate - saying "I'm pledged to vote for this guy, but now that know (fill in the blank), I really wish I could change. I really don't want to have to vote for this SOB."

It seems to me there's potentially a large number of people suffering from a bad case of "if I knew then what I know now."

That's my point of view, anyway, for what it's worth.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (iIzG7)

255 No, the "betters" (as you have put them) just aligned themselves with Trump to take more power away from the grass roots.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (gmeXX)

SH, this is an absolutely honest question and not snark.

Is it your position that the Never Trumpers (for lack of a better term) have a majority of the votes necessary to pass the rule changes they seek?

As I said, that is an honest question.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (mf5HN)

256 " So a small angry group of #NeverTrumpers is demanding a full roll call vote on a rule change measure that everyone knows has no chance of passing just so they can strut their moral virtue in front of a national audience of voters? "

So let it happen. Worst outcome, if you're sure of its failure, is a waste of time. Better to waste time than look like goons squashing a grassroots delegate uprising.

Let it fail fairly.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (HN6JB)

257 Whether someone is pro or anti-Trump, the primaries deserve to be flushed down a rathole..

Posted by: redbanzai

Clarified that for you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (326rv)

Blue Hen... do not put words in my mouth. It is really poor form to change someone else's comments like that.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (3JA/M)

258 Let me put this in a way for the Trump fans to understand.

Trump and Paul Ryan just worked together to strip power away from the grass roots.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

This is how ochlocracy really works.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (vBeA5)

259 Fuck these people and everyone who looks like these people.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (kFnmp)

260 Me thinks GOPer's are butt hurt losers.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (NpXoL)

261 The chair is now claiming that while they received nine delegations' asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their petitions, leaving it short of the seven needed. (Paul Ryan was among those whipping to stop the roll call vote, as he saw it as an encroachment on his almighty authority.)

Sounds like the rules are being adhered to. So those who claim to be very concerned that all the rules be faithfully followed should be satisfied. On the other hand, those that were hoping that the Republican Convention would turn into a giant, public pig-fuck will be disappointed at the lost opportunity.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (R+30W)

262 To be fair, jwest has never hid his authoritarian lusts.

His ambition? HOA President for Life.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (evdj2)

263 am sick to death of this fucktarded, childish, brutish, primitivist "whatever we want, goes."

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From where I sit, that's the Nevertrumpers

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (wmxwV)

264 I find this totes amusing that the Grand Old Pricks are literally giving us a something something "steamer", WHILE, Bobo is trying to get Martial Law off the ground.

Hello you big fat idiots at the GOP, there are more important things than your big fat egos and microscopic peckers, but, none of you would know that, now would you?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (kXoT0)

265 >>>Their suicide attempt would rather have Hillary. What kind of logic is that?

I think you're going to find, to your dismay, that when you keep running roughshod over one-time allies, they stop being allies and suddenly put you on top of their enemies list -- ahead of Hillary.

"Fuck you losers" is not likely to bring people into your camp.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (dciA+)

266 Please Wisconsin, throw Paul Ryan out on his ass. Pretty please?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (kFnmp)

267
Trump and RNC aligned themselves in an effort to strip power away from the grass roots.
Posted by: SH

Grass roots being, in this case quiet men of the soil like the politically incestuous CO delegation mentioned above, auto-selected thru their surprise last minute "cause the wrong guy was going to win" not a primary.

Yeah, moral high ground, that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (kdS6q)

268 I say we dust off and nuke Cleveland from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. **fistbumps Lt. Ripley**

Posted by: Corporal Hicks at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (JO9+V)

269 This is just theatrics. Media is trying to get ratings. Don't buy into it.

Posted by: Spypeach at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (NfOMi)

270
If your insurrection lasts more than 4 hours, call Bob Dole.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (27m1/)

271 You know what would be totes cool?

Uniforms. With armbands.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (4ErVI)

272 @237...first, sir/ms/android I resent the implied Mr. Trump supporter is stupid when I am quite smart as well as gorgeous. A college degree, even. Pretty dang high IQ as well as bust size.

Second, what do you call what Romney did? I'd say his little propaganda whiney loser pants full of regret poop went way further than an endorsement.

It has been a very nasty primary. We now have someone who won enough delegates, from prior GOP rules, to win the nomination. But, NOOOOOOOO, that is not good enough because he is not the favorite. I harf on this.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (MhL06)

273 Blue Hen... this NOT about never Trump. This is about whether the RNC will follow its own rules.

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It is quite simple. The RNC with the help of Trump wish to strip power away from the delegates - from the rank and file.
Posted by: SH

The peasants already voted. This effort is an attempt to obviate the primaries. Why in Satan's Unholy name this rule exists I don't know.

But it being used had one goal; denying others the right to be heard in the primaries.

And the RNC pushed through a guy that didn't even live in the state he was running for (that asshole from KS).

Now we care about the rules!?!

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (326rv)

274 I keep tellin' ya, Winona's going to steal you blind.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (HgMAr)

275 "...He wants to rule the world..."
Posted by: Stephen Blair

That's kind of what I'm thinking. Why not start right here? After all, he's more of a citizen of the World than a citizen of the US, right?

Posted by: California Girl at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (Pt5D1)

276 Why do they bother with these dog and pony shows anyway.... We all know the outcome... Trump is the nominee and Pence is His VP... Time to move on from this idiot circus...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (O2RFr)

277 Let me put this in a way for the Trump fans to understand.

Trump and Paul Ryan just worked together to strip power away from the grass roots.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

Meh.

If this is really an act of Pure Celestial Honor and Goodness From the #NeverTrumps-

let them drop their unbinding motion and vote on the other rules stuff.

But, my guess is....no.

They want to strut their morally moral superiority on the national stage-

and/or help Hillary! win.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (0cMkb)

278 Is it your position that the Never Trumpers (for lack of a better term) have a majority of the votes necessary to pass the rule changes they seek?

As I said, that is an honest question.

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I have no clue. From what I hear, they do not. But it looks like Trump and the RNC feared they did.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (gmeXX)

279 Serious question: what power is being stripped away from the grassroots besides the chance for the #NeverTrump delegates to vote on a measure that would unbind the delegates and is by all rational estimates sure to lose?

Is there something else?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (8ZskC)

280 >>Yeah, moral high ground, that.

This is Thunderdome, there is no moral high ground. And if there were, Trump would be repelled by it like a vampire from holy water.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (/tuJf)

281 many people were alienated from the GOP establishment wehn the establishment kept giving them the finger and ignoring them.

Now the "anti-establishment forces" (which are, get this, now allied with the establishment) is doing the exact same thing, and they expect WHAT outcome? A different outcome?

No, the same outcome. People do not like being treated by garbage and will quit any organization treating them like garbage.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (dciA+)

282 "Trump and Paul Ryan just worked together to strip power away from the grass roots."

Actually, the grass roots won.

They put Trump where he is now. The GOP elite and political writers with British accents lost in this last little maneuver.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (Zs4uk)

283 Hey surely it's drinking time, right?

*looks at clock*

*Mournful wail*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (4ErVI)

284
This is why we can never have nice things

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (lKyWE)

285 On the other hand, those that were hoping that the
Republican Convention would turn into a giant, public pig-fuck will be
disappointed at the lost opportunity.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (R+30W)

I am, but it's just Monday. We have a whole week left to go.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (uOimA)

286 His ambition? HOA President for Life.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 04:43 PM (evdj2)

El Condillo

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (8ZskC)

287
The chair is now claiming that while they received nine delegations' asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their petitions, leaving it short of the seven needed.

No!!!! We have proof!

Posted by: UnskewedPetitionCounts.com

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (kdS6q)

288 "Fuck you losers" is not likely to bring people into your camp.

That's been the Twitter Rubiobots' - the Howe's, etc - from the beginning, though.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (kFnmp)

289 No, the "betters" (as you have put them) just aligned themselves with Trump to take more power away from the grass roots.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (gmeXX)

SH, this is an absolutely honest question and not snark.

Is it your position that the Never Trumpers (for lack of a better
term) have a majority of the votes necessary to pass the rule changes
they seek?

As I said, that is an honest question.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:42 PM (mf5HN)

Actually, Alex. This isn't about whether they have the votes to change a rule to unbind the delegates. This is about whether they have the votes to reject a set of rules that Ryan (with Trump's acquiescence) has made even more unfair than Romney did. That rejection they likely have the votes for or Ryan and Trump wouldn't have worked so hard to only allow a voice vote.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (3JA/M)

290 Hint to RNC honchos that are currently scanning this thread:

People, people. Do you not understand timing?

Having big long break-- and anything over about 15 SECONDS is a long break in TV- really messes up the flow and makes it look sloppy.

Do you not have a script?

Also...when you stand around on stage, wondering what's up next, that encourages the rabble to chant stuff you may not want them to chant.

Posted by: shibumi who lives in a nation without laws at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (tvyXw)

291 I don't get this. How is undermining a clear winner of the primaries going to help the so-called grassroots? Or is that what you call a wannabe Inner Party that gets to pick the nominee, no matter the primary voting.

And it's not really undermining because it will fail. More like pissing on a parade.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (r1fLd)

292 Look around the world, guys.
Rules mean shit unless you have a tank backing you up.
Looks at Turkey - and sometimes even that is not enough.

NeverTrump contingent wanted to be heard, they should have either had their own army of protesters camped outside (but they never had the numbers, did they?) or they should have cut a deal with Trump earlier.

I don't like it - I want to live in a world where rules matter. But people who can't face the fact that rules are no longer enough are not going to be able to lead us at this time.

They live in an elite bubble where the rules always went there way. They never got screwed out of jobs by employers blatantly violating H1-B rules. They need to wake up.

Heck apparently Japan just went retro 1930s.
If y'all remember world war 2, nobody listened to the USA about following rues until we made them, by force.

Posted by: @votermom at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (7lVbc)

293 If anything, the Trump supporters are demanding surrender by conservatives. "Elect Trump, he's been a leftwing jackass for decades, but now he talks about walls, so it doesn't matter that he hasn't a conservative bone in his micro-pawed body".

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (2cS/G)

294 Reminds me of the State Convention scene in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (0QLpr)

295 We may be watching the Ted Cruz career suicide extrazaganza.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (Nwg0u)

296 You know what would be totes cool?

Uniforms. With armbands.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2016 04:44 PM (4ErVI)
..................

yes! And the gals get riding crops and thigh high leather boots.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (HgMAr)

297 why have primaries - make everybody a super delegate and the sleaziest candidate who lines the most pockets wins - ask Bernie how much he like the Super Del system

Posted by: Henry Hotlove at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (u32s7)

298 The people voted for Trump. Next time out all this energy into the primary.

Posted by: brak at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (MJuTN)

299 You're not much good to me alive, are you, Turki, er....GOP?

Posted by: Brick Top at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (rznWS)

300 So, reading Ace's comment above, Paul Ryan aka Romney clone, was one of the unsurpers. Smart move since his own butt is being challenged and it is no secret people hope he goes away. Such hope and he bowed to The Won without a fight.

Anyone who aligns with Ryan is nothing to me.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (MhL06)

301 I don't get this. How is undermining a clear winner of the primaries going to help the so-called grassroots? Or is that what you call a wannabe Inner Party that gets to pick the nominee, no matter the primary voting.

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Do you want the RNC cramming down rules over the delegates of the several states? That is what they just did.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)

302 We all have our opinions.... Just don't make them personal....Meaning behave and no attacks on fellow Morons/Ettes... Play nice...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (O2RFr)

303 We did drive some old motherfucking former Vermont senator to calling Trump and all his supporters "fascists".

I wonder how much Hillary and MSNBC tipped him to do that.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (Zs4uk)

304 Koortsige dromen van de wijn en waanzin , dansend door de hallen van kruisbogen - met Winona in mijn armen!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (HvbSz)

305 Whether someone is pro or anti-Trump, the primaries deserve to be flushed down a rathole..

Posted by: redbanzai

Clarified that for you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (326rv)

Blue Hen... do not put words in my mouth. It is really poor form to change someone else's comments like that.
Posted by: redbanzai

Okay.

Could you please elaborate on your "the rules are the rules are the rules" bit?

We've chatted awhile about the motives of trump and te RNC. Care to take a stab at the motives of those wanting "the rules are the rules are the rules"? Cause your soul searching is rather selective.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (326rv)

306 Strippers...they need strippers and midgets.

Makes everything much much better and funner.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (NpXoL)

307 This RNC are a bunch of crooks. They make Nixon look like JESUS.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (zLDYs)

308
I guess the Pence pick didn't wind up calming this down then.

This is just party politics crap of a stupid party, but the world over seems to be people getting pissed at their "rulers". Its the POPULIST SPRING!

not to be confused with recovery summer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2016 04:49 PM (ODxAs)

309 Rules mean shit unless you have a tank backing you up.

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Political conventions are about raw power, so on this point I agree with you. Just stop telling me how Trump is going to destroy the GOPe.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:49 PM (gmeXX)

310 This could all be resolved peacefully if Glenn Beck would appear and hand out some teddy bears and soccer balls.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:49 PM (8ZskC)

311 Posted by: @votermom at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (7lVbc)

I think you have it backwards regard to this particular event. It's the Trump supporters who are trying to go around the rules. It's all theater anyway. At the end of the day, Trump will be the nominee.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 04:49 PM (0QLpr)

312 Reminds me of the State Convention scene in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

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Somebody rode in on a horse firing six shooters?!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (Nwg0u)

313 I am sorry but

Cruz. Lee and Co. are starting to look like a American Conservative version of Gulen and his followers, or worse Rand Paul supporters...

Lacking common sense...and will be painted just as that by Ryan (and Team Bush) wants them to be, forcing the Trump folks to fight the Cruz folks.

It also explains why Cruz let Beck hijack his campaign. Does not look good for judgement...or strategic sense.

Of all the times to pull goofy stunts of personal glory, and yet people accuse Trump of being selfish.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (KhJh8)

314 240
If Bobby Kennedy was there, he'd be humping Michele Bachmann.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (8ZskC)

In the ass I hope!

Posted by: Wonkette at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (F1iXz)

315 This is about the rules. The rules of Fizzbin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (IqV8l)

316 Do you want the RNC cramming down rules over the delegates of the several states? That is what they just did.
Posted by: SH

No, I don't.

Did I want trump?
No.

Did I want this braindead show emerge from the wreckage of the clowncar?

No.

Did I want a bunch of self absorbed pols whine about loyalty and then bug out?

No.

It's kinda terrible all around.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (326rv)

317 I thought the ayes had it on the voice vote, FWIW.

Posted by: RokShox at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (asEe4)

318
Either way, I am done with any more of this garbage. Much more interesting things to do than listen to a gaggle of whineypants Middle Schoolers.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (X35Yt)

319 Serious question: what power is being stripped away
from the grassroots besides the chance for the #NeverTrump delegates to
vote on a measure that would unbind the delegates and is by all rational
estimates sure to lose?

Is there something else?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (8ZskC)

There is a bunch of something else. Rules were put in to allow the Chairman to keep committee assignment secret (so that the grassroots cannot organize) and to strip the delegates of the power that they currently have to choose committee chairs (who set the agenda in committee). Rules are also in the rule package that would double the votes needed from each delegation to ever consider a rule change in the future.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (3JA/M)

320 It's kinda terrible all around.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (326rv)

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On that we agree.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (gmeXX)

321 @8: "
First a coup in Turkey, then a coup in Cleveland?"

That's a lot of cooze.

Posted by: Pam Poovey at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (rznWS)

322 Where are those naked protesting broads when you need them?

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (a0IVu)

323 >>Political conventions are about raw power, so on this point I agree with you. Just stop telling me how Trump is going to destroy the GOPe.

I can't believe anyone actually believed that for more than a heartbeat.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (/tuJf)

324 293 If anything, the Trump supporters are demanding surrender by conservatives. "Elect Trump, he's been a leftwing jackass for decades, but now he talks about walls, so it doesn't matter that he hasn't a conservative bone in his micro-pawed body".
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 18, 2016 04:46 PM (2cS/G)

Sorry Lincolntf. I was big Cruz.

Now #neverhillary.

We lost. I have become an anachronism.

Posted by: Golfman at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (48QDY)

325 This RNC are a bunch of crooks. They make Nixon look like JESUS.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (zLDYs)

Nixon authorized the payment of hush money to the plumbers and obstructed justice by means of the monumental power of his office. Most of Nixon's successors--the Democratic ones--would view his crimes as just another day at the office.

Posted by: troyriser at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (UWlp+)

326 Now the "anti-establishment forces" (which are, get
this, now allied with the establishment) is doing the exact same thing,

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (dciA+)

That has always been the greatest power of the GOP. They're not that bright and they aren't very aggressive, so what exactly do they have going for them? They win through corruption. When they surrender and then offer to talk about it with you over dinner and say 'my limo will pop around to pick you up at 7' is when they are at their most powerful. Trump may be immune to that, but he's the only one in his outfit who is. However, he's use to playing hardball to get what he wants, so this is probably exactly the way he handles the local zoning commission.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (uOimA)

327 We may be watching the Ted Cruz career suicide extrazaganza.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (Nwg0u)

How do figure? He will be elected Senator again.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (0QLpr)

328 First a coup in Turkey, then a coup in Cleveland?"

That's a lot of cooze.

So bring out the booze...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (O2RFr)

329 The Trump people played this dumb, but who the fuck really wants a last minute switch to a Lose With Honor guy? I voted for Cruz, not for this Unruh bitch to shit all over the convention once my guy lost.

Posted by: fightwinger at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (AMKhy)

330 ... and midget strippers.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (HgMAr)

331 Blue Hen... this NOT about never Trump. This is about whether the RNC will follow its own rules.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:41 PM (3JA/M)

Yes... its the bottom of the ninth folks... the Cubs are looking at a Historic 7th game of the series win...

But wait... this just in... some of the crowd are insisting on a rules change, so the team with the most Hits, not the most Runs, gets the win....

Posted by: Don Q. at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (qf6WZ)

332 NeverTrump!

now

NeverGOP!

Posted by: Ginned up Controversy at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (QSZu4)

333 Roll = "the people who are in attendance."

Role = "a part played by an actor."

Posted by: RKae at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (+qoyA)

334 This is Thunderdome, there is no moral high ground. And if there were,
Trump would be repelled by it like a vampire from holy water.
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Yeah.

We've crossed the Rubicon into BizarroWorld.

IMHO, the only reason Trump is on that stage is because the majority of the party have gone squish and lied to the people about things like Obamacare.

Trump: the Screw You Republicans Candidate.

Posted by: shibumi who lives in a nation without laws at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (tvyXw)

335 Winona!
Hoe ik vertrouw je!!

Je zou alleen maar mijn hart te stelen! Nooit kleding of geld of bieten of mosterd!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (HvbSz)

336 Where are those naked protesting broads when you need them?
Posted by: IC at July 18, 2016 04:51 PM (a0IVu)
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Senator Lee is there but hasn't stripped yet.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (NUqwG)

337 If Bobby Kennedy was there, he'd be humping Michele Bachmann.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2016 04:40 PM (8ZskC)

In the ass I hope!

***

If Ted Kennedy was there he'd be drowning her.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (NpXoL)

338 The Val-u-rite must flow.

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (oia+s)

339 No, I'm in charge here and not to worry!

Posted by: Zombie Al Haig at July 18, 2016 04:52 PM (3b9U4)

340 The roll call vote had no chance of passing and would have been slightly embarrassing to Trump. To avoid that, the GOPe violated convention rules and physically prevented delivery of valid signatures to the convention secretary.

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (bhbDH)

341 This is Thunderdome,

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We don't need another hero.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (Nwg0u)

342 Is this train wreck being played out in C-Span? I can see MSNBC gleefully reporting this crap right now. Golly.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (a0IVu)

343 So, allow them their petty vote - roll over them - and move on.

Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (Doh4+)

344 Welp, I am back to lurking until next terrorist attack. Love most of you, but don't mess with me or tell me how to vote. I dislike in-fights and insults. Ain't got time for dis.

Trump/Pence 2016...oh, and I guess Gov Pence, once a Tea Party favorite, is not good enough, either (except when he endorsed Sen. Cruz).

Sad thing to see. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (MhL06)

345 Take your hat off during prayer. Jeez.

Posted by: Golfman at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (48QDY)

346 I thought the ayes had it on the voice vote, FWIW.

Posted by: RokShox at July 18, 2016 04:50 PM (asEe4)

Its not worth much... if the majority were ayes then they would get the same result with a roll call vote. The vote shouldn't go to those who can scream the loudest (which not coincidentally coincides with who the RNC seated closest to the stage and the microphones.)

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (3JA/M)

347 The roll call vote had no chance of passing and would have been slightly embarrassing to Trump. To avoid that, the GOPe violated convention rules and physically prevented delivery of valid signatures to the convention secretary.
Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (bhbDH)

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Trump and the RNC are not going to be embarrassed.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (gmeXX)

348 342 Is this train wreck being played out in C-Span? I can see MSNBC gleefully reporting this crap right now. Golly.

No matter what were to happen at the Convention, even if by some miracle it was good, the media will say otherwise so it really doesn't matter anyway...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (O2RFr)

349 I thought the ayes had it on the voice vote, FWIW.
..............

But the "harumphs" were a close second, with the "Fuck you's" trailing.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (HgMAr)

350 This would be far less a cluster F if they'd just allowed the damn vote.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (HN6JB)

351 This RNC are a bunch of crooks. They make Nixon look like JESUS.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2016 04:48 PM (zLDYs)

We knew that years ago. Calling us racists, wackobirds, supporting Sen Cokebear, etc.

And now the RNC is working with the current strong horse, while several state delegations are doing their bit to ensure the the convention is a zoo.

Are we allowed to root for casualties?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (326rv)

352 Wow. That pastor got everyone to calm the hell down and STFU.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (1ZOkK)

353 Roll = "the people who are in attendance."

Role = "a part played by an actor."

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Tootsie Roll = yum

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (Nwg0u)

354 237 Let me put this in a way for the Trump fans to understand.

Trump and Paul Ryan just worked together to strip power away from the grass roots.

The individuals whipping the delegates were Trump supporters and RNC officials:

@jonward11 2h ago Just witnessed trump aide Rick Gates haranguing young Va delegate. "I'm gonna remembered how Va was an embarrassment at the Natl convention"

@timothypmurphy 56m ago Sessions guy warns that supporting a roll call vote would draw all focus away from Trump, damage party, ruin the convention.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (YjDyJ)

355 Only read the first 20 comments or so but let me see if I've got this straight.

You are pissed off that the floor vote is rigged denying nomination by acclimatization for your candidate that ran against the system being rigged.

Do you really think a majority of delegates will vote against the rules?

Looks to me like Trump and the GOPe are getting along just fine.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (x8rLg)

356 Remind me again how the #NeverTrumpers are the ones machinating with the elitist establishment?
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:22 PM (vBeA5)

I think they were up to the point it was obvious there is no other choice. The GOPe needs to let the vote happen because those are the rules. The problem though is that NeverTrumpers are at a Kristol level of delusion. By some unlikely circumstance the delegates are unbound and who gets selected????

Reality is Trump won and unbinding the delegates even through the stupid rules is petty and emotional.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (Ee2nz)

357 Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (MhL06)

Don't go far:

http://tinyurl.com/z2zrkff

More than 20 people in Germany have been injured after a man with an axe went on the rampage on a train, German media report.
A police operation including a helicopter is under way in Heidingsfeld, a part of the city of Wurzburg in southern Germany.
Local media (in German) tweeted that 21 people had been injured and a suspect appeared to have been shot.

Posted by: the real ch3 at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (IG5KL)

358 : ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen

Don't be a stranger, this to shall pass..... hang in there...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (O2RFr)

359 SHOUTS REALLY LOUD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON~!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (p2X2f)

360 What is really disappointing is that Trump didn't have people in place with knight sticks ready to start beating protesters on the floor.

So many details to attend to for a convention...

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (Zs4uk)

361 >>But the "harumphs" were a close second, with the "Fuck you's" trailing.

I heard a bunch of "Blow me(s)".

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (/tuJf)

362 I'm firmly in the, "I don't get it" camp.

Going to re-read the post.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 18, 2016 04:36 PM (U+nHb)

All I got out of it is nevertrumpers who to the present are trying to bend the rules to nominate anybody else are having thermonuclear butt-hurt because trumpers are bending the rules trying to stop them from bending the rules.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (P/kVC)

363 "How is it democratic to allow the delegates to be unbound from the nominee that the voters in their state chose?"

The representative form of government is a total mystery to you, isn't it?

1) The United States was never intended to be a direct democracy.

2) That is beside the point anyway, since political parties (which are NOT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT) can set up any rules they want. Dice. Lottery. Simon Says. Doesn't matter.

An action is either in accordance with the rules or a violation of the rules. "Democracy" has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Trumps of Doom at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (IcMlE)

364 That ninth supreme court justice just voided the 2nd amendment, turn in your guns.
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no.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (cqiFV)

365 342
Is this train wreck being played out in C-Span? I can see MSNBC gleefully reporting this crap right now. Golly.
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See my comment at 290.

Lots of looonog pauses, lots of yelling and chanting that you can't understand, some sound glitches (as in "not working") with occasional explanations in the fonts below.

Posted by: shibumi who lives in a nation without laws at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (tvyXw)

366 Recess, kids.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 04:56 PM (NUqwG)

367 It was my impression that this effort at rejecting the Rules package was to force a vote on changing some of the primary rules for 2020 - things like incentives for states to have closed primaries, not award 100% of the delegates for a state to someone who didn't reach 50% +1, reallocating delegates per state based on citizens living there (not citizens + illegal immigrants), etc.

Regardless of your chosen candidate for the nomination, can we all agree that the primary system as presently run didn't do a very good job of helping us unite to pick a nominee? We're here now, and I don't see the point of trying to derail Trump now, but I sure don't want to see another primary season like we just had again in the future.

A system that gave the red & purple states a larger chunk of the delegates vs. blue states we NEVER win appeals to me. So does requiring a nominee to clear 50% of the vote in the early states before scooping up all the delegates.

Posted by: Jill v2 at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM (8048L)

368 The roll call vote had no chance of passing and would have been slightly embarrassing to Trump. To avoid that, the GOPe violated convention rules and physically prevented delivery of valid signatures to the convention secretary.

if they had voted, the MFM would have been fed a line about extremism, noble opposition and the other bullshit.

They were stopped, ad now the MFM will dwell on stunts that dems do as SOP.

Posted by: six magical coin tosses. at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM (326rv)

369 Begun, the Clone Wars have.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM (2PHKP)

370
Roll = "the people who are in attendance."

Or a tasty baked treat

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM (lKyWE)

371 Nuking Cleveland from orbit would have absolutely no effect on the Browns.

Posted by: Simplemind at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM (1/dEZ)

372 "timothypmurphy 56m ago Sessions guy warns that supporting a roll call vote would draw all focus away from Trump, damage party, ruin the convention."

No. This shit damages the party and ruins the convention. Letting them have their symbolic vote would have been a non story.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM (HN6JB)

373 Actually, the grass roots won.

They put Trump where he is now. The GOP elite and political writers with British accents lost in this last little maneuver.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (Zs4uk)

Trump didn't win with the support fo the grassroots.

Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (vBeA5)

374 This is inside baseball stuff that less than 1% of the voters have any clue about. This is one aspect of the election that I couldn't care less. Trump will be the nominee.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (0QLpr)

375 Now, that's a power prayer.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (Nwg0u)

376 @10: "Eddie Munster Ryan is behind the dirty pool crap."

Dude looks like James Badge Dale's retarded cousin.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (rznWS)

377 I have no clue. From what I hear, they do not. But it looks like Trump and the RNC feared they did.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 04:45 PM (gmeXX)

Thank you for the answer. I would quibble that this isn't a power grab if the vote would fail anyway but I do agree that if the rules were followed to force an actual roll call vote and shenanigans were used to avoid that, then that is awful. Or, more specifically, it's a power grab to prevent voting at all rather than on the underlying matters though that is quibbling indeed.

I should note that I am against voice votes for stuff like this in the first place. It would take, what, 15 minutes to do an actual vote? This is a serious time and about serious matters. Do not treat it like the pro forma voice vote on accepting new members in church.

Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (mf5HN)

378
Rules were put in
Posted by: redbanzai

The rules were passed by the rules committee last week. A rules committee comprised of delegates to the convention in proportion as the delegates were selected by the voters.

Nothing was "put" or "deemed passed". The #NeverTrumpers in Rules were just shown to be a paper tiger unable to muster one dozen, let alone two dozen votes.

These are the rules as decided by the delegates thru the rules process. Or, is that just another procedure we get to skip when we don't like the results?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (kdS6q)

379 No. This shit damages the party and ruins the convention. Letting them have their symbolic vote would have been a non story.

Damages the Party? What Party?

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (O2RFr)

380 Posted by: the real ch3 at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (IG5KL)

*types

Too soon.

Posted by: Golfman at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (48QDY)

381 Remember Folks, Trump is the candidate who ran against a "rigged" system.

He's the person who claimed Colorado was "rigged" against him somehow, even though it was not.

Now, he's more than happy to rig things in his favor.

Just keep this in mind - I prefer him to Hillary, but don't fall in love.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (UBBWX)

382 A system that gave the red & purple states a larger chunk of the delegates vs. blue states we NEVER win appeals to me. So does requiring a nominee to clear 50% of the vote in the early states before scooping up all the delegates.
Posted by: Jill v2

Doing that favors the party favorites. The outsiders have the least chance of making 50%.

Posted by: six magical coin tosses. at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (326rv)

383 364
That ninth supreme court justice just voided the 2nd amendment, turn in your guns.
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no.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2016 04:55 PM (cqiFV)

Well, mate, we tried that. Didn't work

Posted by: The Aussie with no gun at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (F1iXz)

384 What time does the sales presentation begin for time shares at Trump Tower?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (bhbDH)

385 Thank you, Burnt Toast. That's what I get.

Posted by: Seems legit at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (U+nHb)

386 So, at this moment, 3 delegations are getting steak, lobster and blow jobs while 6 other delegations are getting complimentary hotel downgrades and revised credentials for the cheap seats.

Democracy is working just the way it was designed to work.

Posted by: jwest at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (Zs4uk)

387 362 is the perfect summary. Everyone is bending the rules to prevent rules-bending by the choose-your-own-"establishment" rules-benders because Rule 36 Subsection 15 is of course the hill to fucking die on that we've been looking for.

Posted by: fightwinger at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (AMKhy)

388 Reminds me of the State Convention scene in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 04:47 PM (0QLpr)

Ransom Stoddard for President.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (vBeA5)

389 That ninth supreme court justice just voided the 2nd amendment, turn in your guns.

The Ft. Sumner gambit?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (m/IZ9)

390 Trump didn't win with the support fo the grassroots.

Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.

And the clowncar did neither.

Posted by: six magical coin tosses. at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (326rv)

391
Trump didn't win with the support fo the grassroots. Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.
Posted by: The Political Hat

Hear that South Carolina? You're now officially a bunch of Pokemon grabbing Millennials.

Congrats.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (kdS6q)

392 Is Cruz really behind today's #neverTrump shenanigans? If true, count me as sorely disappointed in him. At this late stage, Trump is probably the only person who could beat Hillary (sorry, 3 months is not enough time to introduce an alternate candidate to the general voting public while making peace with Trump's majorly pissed off base of supporters.)

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (Uy6ri)

393 "Democracy is working just the way it was designed to work.
"

Which is why we live in a constitutional republic.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (HN6JB)

394 "You stupid stupid stupid whiney ass motherfuckers.

You. Lost. "

Remember when Trump was whining about Colorado?

You guys were all about letting the voters vote then.

You guys were all about the system is rigged then.

Trump. Lost. Colorado. but he managed to whine and whine and whine and people believed him that it was "rigged" instead of the truth, that Trump didn't spend or hire or have any team there.

So STFU about whining.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (UBBWX)

395 >>Now, he's more than happy to rig things in his favor.

Why anyone would believe that Donald Trump, who excused his buying off of politicians as just part of the system, would want to tear down a rigged system rather than just insure he was in charge of the rigging was always a joke. Trump loves a rigged game as long as he is doing the rigging.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (/tuJf)

396 Trump's ruthlessness serves him well sometimes, and betrays him at other times. His lack of an organized campaign is an unadulterated disaster at all times.

He could have spent the last two months quietly trying to repair the damage his rhetoric did during the primaries. Draw in Kasich and Cruz, as well as maybe Rubio and Walker. Make friends with the governors of South Carolina, Iowa and New Mexico, all people he denounced in fiery ways during the primaries.

Surprise the fucking Democrats with a unified front, except for maybe the Bushes, and the McVains (which is, to my mind a strong political play anyway). Even try to turn Romney positive, or at lest neutral.

Eliminate the NeverTrump threat by making quiet deals in advance. Work the room, so to speak, until you've turned enemies into supporters.

Instead we get this incompetent shit. Amateur hour. And it pisses me off, because Trump is handing the government over to the evil people who intend to destroy the Constitution.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (/m8T6)

397 Is this proceeding as intended or just a result of extreme carelessness?

Posted by: Jim C at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (FpN8r)

398 We knew that years ago. Calling us racists, wackobirds, supporting Sen Cokebear, etc.

And now the RNC is working with the current strong horse, while several state delegations are doing their bit to ensure the the convention is a zoo.

Are we allowed to root for casualties?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 04:54 PM (326rv)

Well said.... this is a Sunni / Shiite fight....

one where you just sit back.... and get the popcorn.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 18, 2016 05:02 PM (qf6WZ)

399 372 No. This shit damages the party and ruins the convention. Letting them have their symbolic vote would have been a non story.

Here are two tweets discussing the RNC's role:

@ZekeJMiller 2h ago Trump backer and delegate Randy Evans says Trump team has already whipped potential roll call vote. Believe they'd have 2000+ for rules

@ZekeJMiller 34m ago VICTORY for the RNC whip effort to get delegates to withdraw support for rules roll call. It's OVER.

From Time: "For more than two hours Monday afternoon, senior RNC officials and Trump aides vigorously lobbied delegates who had signed the roll call petition to withdraw their names. After the Utah delegation chairman motioned for a roll call vote, it was ruled out of order because three of the nine delegations no longer had a majority of signatures submitted as a result of the backroom wrangling."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 05:02 PM (YjDyJ)

400 @358, Oh, I won't. I just get PISSED when the #neverTrumpers throw monkey feces and lump us all into a box with a red bow. Some of us just roll with it and vote accordingly. Trust me, I did not like McCain, well, until I saw a movie of Winter Soldiers. Did not like Romney that much.

Hell! I voted against Reagan the first time due to media propaganda and young age. The second time I had wised up. This is one of the many reasons I want to give Mr. Trump a chance, since he WON and all...and I see similarities to how President Reagan was treated by the elite GOP and the media.

This is why I was absent for months: the in-fighting bs.

I am firmly, and always have been, in the NEVER Hillary camp.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 05:02 PM (MhL06)

401 @353: "353
Roll = "the people who are in attendance."

Role = "a part played by an actor."

-

Tootsie Roll = yum"

Rolle = Esther

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:02 PM (rznWS)

402 Welp, I am back to lurking until next terrorist attack. Love most of you, but don't mess with me or tell me how to vote. I dislike in-fights and insults. Ain't got time for dis.

Trump/Pence 2016...oh, and I guess Gov Pence, once a Tea Party favorite, is not good enough, either (except when he endorsed Sen. Cruz).

Sad thing to see. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 04:53 PM (MhL06)

Same here. I truly don't care about the picayune infighting. All I want is for Hillary to lose so the long nightmare of Obama can finally end and we can heal.

Serious Question: If Trump wins, doesn't it make sense that he might not want the primaries changed for 2020 when he would be trying to get re-elected.

The primaries in both parties are broken and need to be fixed, but, the power brokers will never let that happen. Hell, the voter rolls in Cook County, Illinois will be purged before that ever happened.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at July 18, 2016 05:02 PM (kXoT0)

403 This sure looks like it is gonna be more "entertaining" then the Dem convention Love in for Hillary!

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 05:03 PM (O2RFr)

404 Tootsie Roll = yum
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

----

Tootsie Role = Dustin Hoffman

Posted by: RKae at July 18, 2016 05:03 PM (+qoyA)

405 I once was a delegate, then I took an arrow to the knee.

Posted by: old meme guy at July 18, 2016 05:03 PM (1wofY)

406 He could have spent the last two months quietly trying to repair the damage his rhetoric did during the primaries. Draw in Kasich and Cruz, as well as maybe Rubio and Walker. Make friends with the governors of South Carolina, Iowa and New Mexico, all people he denounced in fiery ways during the primaries.

Posted by: MTF

This supposes that any of them (including trump) were inclined to do anything of the kind.

Several of them have an incentive for trump to faceplant. I defy anyone to figure our katshitt.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 18, 2016 05:04 PM (326rv)

407 @361: "I heard a bunch of "Blow me(s)"."

The stupid bastards can't even quote me accurately.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 18, 2016 05:04 PM (rznWS)

408 Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (/m8T6

In case you have not noticed...

You could not buy off most of the never Trumpers...

It would not matter what you said.. or did... they will never support him...

Its become an emotional cause for them...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 18, 2016 05:04 PM (qf6WZ)

409 What time does the sales presentation begin for time shares at Trump Tower?
...............

Call me when he builds one in Cabo.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2016 05:04 PM (HgMAr)

410 ".... add to my supplies and hide away ...."

That's the plan here.

And it's true of this thread, too. Later, foax.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_and_the_dogs at July 18, 2016 05:04 PM (3X3ZR)

411
@404

Golf clap

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (lKyWE)

412 More from Time: "A roll call vote was considered more of a nuisance than a true threat to Trump. But a joint whip operation, which included RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and RNC Chief of Staff Katie Walsh as well as top Trump political aides, wanted to stave off a lengthy rebuke to the party's rules and its presumptive nominee."

http://ti.me/29PuTlI

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (YjDyJ)

413 "Which is why we're SUPPOSED TO live in a constitutional republic."

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: Trumps of Doom at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (IcMlE)

414 CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out.
Of course, they did.
Assholes

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (6IPEM)

415 Actually, this is kind of exciting, though.

Might be better for the convention.

Drama keeps interest up. Conflict attracts the media.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (UBBWX)

416 In case you have not noticed...

You could not buy off most of the never Trumpers...

It would not matter what you said.. or did... they will never support him...

Its become an emotional cause for them...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 18, 2016 05:04 PM (qf6WZ)

Oh. Hi Mr. Pot.

Posted by: Kettle at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (2PHKP)

417 Nice to see the HQ is never more than one post away from Assholepocalypse.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (Mt8T4)

418
The rules were passed by the rules committee last week. A rules committee comprised of delegates to the convention in proportion as the delegates were selected by the voters.

Nothing was "put" or "deemed passed". The #NeverTrumpers in Rules were just shown to be a paper tiger unable to muster one dozen, let alone two dozen votes.

These are the rules as decided by the delegates thru the rules process. Or, is that just another procedure we get to skip when we don't like the results?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (kdS6q)

Exactly.

This is just like the Brexit sore losers.

No, you do not get endless redos to pacify your tantrum.

If you really have an honorable disagreement with Trump winning the nomination-

then don't participate...walk out with your head held high

and your glorious honor unsullied.

Stage a walk-out.

Right now.

The rest of us would like to get on with winning.

This is not your moment.

You lost.

End of story.

Rebuild for the next cycle.

That's what adults do.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (0cMkb)

419 384
What time does the sales presentation begin for time shares at Trump Tower?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (bhbDH)

DON'T laugh. Trump's NC people have insisted that his Charlotte fundraiser be at Trump's rundown golf club on Lake Norman, near Charlotte.

Dumb f*cks think people in Charlotte are going to drive 30 miles in rush hour traffic for a breakfast for $2,700 a head and no photo op.

STUPID.

Posted by: The Aussie with no gun at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (F1iXz)

420 Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (vBeA5)

--------------------------------------------------------

Trump won because:

1. He meet with those who had loved ones killed by illegals, yet Ted and Beck went and meet with the illegals to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls. Did Cruz try to meet with them before Trump beat him to it? No.

2. Cruz let a radio shock jock / lunatic take over his campaign.

3. Cruz sided with the leftest protesters in Chicago as they attacked Trump supporters.

4. Cruz came out against any temporary Islamic immigration ban.

5. Cruz tried to win Rand Paul supporters and now he and Lee are transforming themselves into Ron Paul!

Not good...

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (KhJh8)

421 nood

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_and_the_dogs at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (3X3ZR)

422 off Aussie sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (F1iXz)

423 414 CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out.
Of course, they did.
Assholes

Lock the doors...

Posted by: donna at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (O2RFr)

424 This convention should last a day and no longer than two - already tired of the political weaseling - it is all these people know how to do

Posted by: Henry Hotlove at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (u32s7)

425 CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out.
Of course, they did.
Assholes

------------

All the delegates should walk out. There is zero point.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (gmeXX)

426 Any word on who the axe attacker in Germany was yet?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (3I/a1)

427 Which is why we live in a constitutional republic.

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (HN6JB)

Except you don't. It quit being a republic when they made senators elected by popular vote. When you look at the way the system was originally you can appreciate what they tried to do. Imagine that the Senators are there to represent the states, and the vice president is actually the loser of the presidential election. That makes the VP suddenly important, and also means president of the senate actually means something as well. Imagine trying to get any legislation through that mess. They meant to tie the hands of the government, to protect the rights of the people. Deadlock was the founding fathers gift to us, and it's a shame we voted it away.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (uOimA)

428 OT: Don Lemon says Sheriff Clarke is a big meanie:

Woke up to the most vile posts regarding this interview. Interesting how conservatives feel one way about the interview and liberals feel another. It's actually kinda sad, as it is not a contest but a conversation that clearly only one of us was trying to have. Sad that emotion trumps facts and rhetoric thwarts honest discussion. That said, displaying on live television exactly what so many fear about law enforcement is probably not the best representation right now of America's men and women who so bravely wear a police badge.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (Nwg0u)

429 @357...oh, wow. And one son keeps heckling me that Europe is safe and blah, blah, Germany is just fine.

See! I have enough to deal with without fighting with morons about an election vs Hillary and more of the same.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (MhL06)

430 (Yes, I know that's a bit unfair to Sen. Lee but I am not in a generous mood)
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at July 18, 2016 04:38 PM (mf5HN)

totally sympathize with the mood, but Lee is one of very few Repub senators who has been standing up to the GOPe all along. He's doing it now too. Ryan, Priebus and gang want to keep Trump.

Posted by: stace...SMOD2016--because why the fuck not? at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (ozZau)

431 Serious Question: If Trump wins, doesn't it make sense that he might not want the primaries changed for 2020 when he would be trying to get re-elected.

His guys are whipping for the rule change.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (evdj2)

432 414
CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out.

Of course, they did.

Assholes

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (6IPEM)

Doobie break.

Posted by: Stoner at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (FpN8r)

433 1. He meet with those who had loved ones killed by illegals, yet Ted and Beck went and meet with the illegals to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls. Did Cruz try to meet with them before Trump beat him to it? No.

------------

Cruz really is the worst. Handing out toys to children. What a monster.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (gmeXX)

434
CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out. Of course, they did. Assholes
Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (6IPEM)

Pot break,its hard to go half a day without getting stoned.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (lKyWE)

435 You know, the more I think about it the new I suspect this weak sauce coup is just kabuki. Or maybe coupbuki.

A way to drum up donations etc.

Drum up outrage. Send emails. Ask for money.

Posted by: @votermom at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (7lVbc)

436 @393: "Which is why we live in a constitutional republic."

Hahahahahaha *sniff* Geez, that's rich.

Oh, wait...you were serious? Let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Every single politician in America at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (rznWS)

437 Has any candidate ever experienced a post-convention free fall?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (bhbDH)

438 The rules were passed by the rules committee last
week. A rules committee comprised of delegates to the convention in
proportion as the delegates were selected by the voters.

Nothing
was "put" or "deemed passed". The #NeverTrumpers in Rules were just
shown to be a paper tiger unable to muster one dozen, let alone two
dozen votes.

These are the rules as decided by the delegates thru
the rules process. Or, is that just another procedure we get to skip
when we don't like the results?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (kdS6q)

Rules were "put in". A tiny minority of the delegates sit on the rules committee. Which is damn well why the the rules aren't the official rules until the are voted on by all delegates. A vote that was thwarted.

But do continue to make excuses for the GOPe and Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (3JA/M)

439 So glad I didn't fall for the "anti-Establishment" Trump con job.

Posted by: V the K at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (O7MnT)

440 A system that gave the red & purple states a larger chunk of the delegates vs. blue states we NEVER win appeals to me. So does requiring a nominee to clear 50% of the vote in the early states before scooping up all the delegates.
Posted by: Jill v2

Doing that favors the party favorites. The outsiders have the least chance of making 50%.
Posted by: six magical coin tosses. at July 18, 2016 04:59 PM (326rv)

The outsiders are helped by the first states being smaller, retail-oriented. That's how Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee managed to win Iowa in 2012 and 2008, respectively. It's how John McCain won New Hampshire in 2000. It gives candidates without much money to make some inroads with the people that actually care enough to show up.

Trump got all the delegates out of several states while getting approximately 40% of the votes due to the highly fragmented field. That's not a knock on Trump, he was very lucky to benefit from the celebrity aura, the huge field, and rules that were set up to favor a Romney 2012 type of candidate. The GOP insiders set those rules never anticipating the effect of a celebrity insurgent candidate. Nevertheless, we'd have a lot less grief right now if the rules had been structured to ensure the final winner was broadly favored across the party.

Posted by: Jill v2 at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (8048L)

441 I really really want to go to a convention. I don't even really care what it is for. I just want to be able to yell Harumph!!! and Huzzah!!! with a large crowd of people.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:08 PM (1H9ox)

442 All the delegates should walk out. There is zero point.
Posted by: SH

Yup. That'll show 'em.

Posted by: empress mommom at July 18, 2016 05:09 PM (326rv)

443 "All I got out of it is nevertrumpers who to the present are trying to bend the rules to nominate anybody else are having thermonuclear butt-hurt because trumpers are bending the rules trying to stop them from bending the rules."

This seems right -- and a great explanation -- but I admit to being a bit fuzzy on this. Why was unbinding tied to rules for 2020? Wasn't that because a committee passed on this last week? If so, why bring it up again when the #NeverTrumps could only muster 12 votes last week. Sounds like sour grapes and asshattery.

Not that it would pass, but why is even considering unbinding an option at this stage?

When some people here say "grassroots" do they mean Wannabe Inner Party people who think like they do, not the unwashed masses of voters?

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:09 PM (r1fLd)

444
Number of people who will care about this little dust-up in Nov. - zero.

Number of people who will care about this little dust-up next week - close to zero.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2016 05:09 PM (ODxAs)

445 totally sympathize with the mood, but Lee is one of very few Repub senators who has been standing up to the GOPe all along. He's doing it now too. Ryan, Priebus and gang want to keep Trump.

------------

Cruz and Lee have been the best two people to stand up against the establishment, but since they haven't bowed down to Trump, they are to be destroyed.

At least Lee didn't hand out toys to children. To many that is the worst sin imaginable.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:10 PM (gmeXX)

446 CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out. Of course, they did. Assholes

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 05:05 PM (6IPEM)

They are not assholes for expecting the rules of order to be followed. A whole lot more should have walked out at this farce (including Trump supporters with any integrity).

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:10 PM (3JA/M)

447 390 Trump didn't win with the support fo the grassroots.

Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.

And the clowncar did neither.
Posted by: six magical coin tosses. at July 18, 2016 05:00 PM (326rv)
--------------------
F you! I am not a low information voter.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at July 18, 2016 05:10 PM (ZXK8H)

448 So, really, no point to a convention in the first place. Maybe we should just quit wasting the money.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 18, 2016 05:10 PM (2PHKP)

449 ROTFLMAO, Womak, Lee and the rest of those babies need a bottle, a burping, and a nap.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:10 PM (6Xbsz)

450 @423...that's where all that legal weed got them. That old bag with long grey hair fits the part. I am sure she smells like bo and patchachouli (too lazy to spell).

Some people did not learn how to play in the sandbox at an early age. Waaaa! He got my toy! Not fair that he owned it first! waaaaaa.

Ok, off to look at German attack, which, I think, we can all agree was probably done by a "Mo." And who wants to limit Mo's to this country? It ain't Hillary. bah.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (MhL06)

451 This convention should last a day and no longer than two - already tired of the political weaseling - it is all these people know how to do
Posted by: Henry Hotlove at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (u32s7)
----------------------------
If the chair doesn't steamroll shite along, these things could go for weeks. That is an inherent weakness in the parliamentary procedures used in these types of conventions - that is with political people. To complete on schedule the rules have to be bent. They are no problem at the CPA convention.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (NUqwG)

452 "CNN is saying that the entire CO delegation walked out.
Of course, they did.
Assholes"

Hmmmm, what would have angered them so much as to have them walk out?

Ohhh, right. Trump, after spending zero money, time, or staff in the state, decided to go on national TV and say that the Colorado caucaus was "rigged."

That might just make people in Colorado's party angry.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (UBBWX)

453 So, really, no point to a convention in the first place. Maybe we should just quit wasting the money.

------------

I think many would be satisfied if Trump and the RNC just dictated things.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (gmeXX)

454 Except you don't. It quit being a republic when they made senators elected by popular vote. When you look at the way the system was originally you can appreciate what they tried to do. Imagine that the Senators are there to represent the states, and the vice president is actually the loser of the presidential election. That makes the VP suddenly important, and also means president of the senate actually means something as well. Imagine trying to get any legislation through that mess. They meant to tie the hands of the government, to protect the rights of the people. Deadlock was the founding fathers gift to us, and it's a shame we voted it away.
....
Huzzah!!!

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (1H9ox)

455 Hardball now? where was all this energy and enthusiasm in congress by the Mike Lee's of the world? We voted people like him in to be an opposition party and when he finally puts up a fight it is at our convention?

Posted by: Henry Hotlove at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (u32s7)

456 It's a political convention. Shit like this is going to happen. It's politics people. And if, as some have commented, that Trump is making deals, then he's doing what ever presumed nominee would do under the circumstances.

You think Cruz wouldn't be making deals with the RNC if he were in the same position? If you don't think he would then you're very naive on how this works.

Posted by: Soona at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (Fmupd)

457 @404: "Tootsie Role = Dustin Hoffman"

Toot toot Tootsie, goodbye

Posted by: Al Jolson at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (rznWS)

458 420 Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (vBeA5)

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Trump won because:

1. He meet with those who had loved ones killed by illegals, yet Ted and Beck went and meet with the illegals to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls. Did Cruz try to meet with them before Trump beat him to it? No.

2. Cruz let a radio shock jock / lunatic take over his campaign.

3. Cruz sided with the leftest protesters in Chicago as they attacked Trump supporters.

4. Cruz came out against any temporary Islamic immigration ban.

5. Cruz tried to win Rand Paul supporters and now he and Lee are transforming themselves into Ron Paul!

Not good...
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BINGO! Never mind Cruz is a slimy lawyer/politician.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (ZXK8H)

459 Probably a drawf. Maybe an imp.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (ISejo)

460 That's not a knock on Trump, he was very lucky to benefit from the celebrity aura, the huge field, and rules that were set up to favor a Romney 2012 type of candidate. The GOP insiders set those rules never anticipating the effect of a celebrity insurgent candidate. Nevertheless, we'd have a lot less grief right now if the rules had been structured to ensure the final winner was broadly favored across the party.
Posted by: Jill v2

1. Trump wasn't lucky. he possessed to attributes that primary candidates would kill for, and he used both. Name recognition and the ability to self fund. he was also not a politician, and he said something different from the clown car. And he was off and running.
2. True some of the more arcane races benefit 'fringe' candidates. But the changes would benefit the monied, party favorites.

Posted by: empress mommom at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (326rv)

461 Remember when Trump said he would spend a billion dollars of his own money on the general election?

Hilarious!

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (bhbDH)

462 Basically, Trump was a sore loser in Colorado, and impugned Colorado's GOP in the national press, and now Trump supporters are butthurt about this.

Hey! when Trump says stuff, it makes enemies.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (UBBWX)

463 408 In case you have not noticed...

You could not buy off most of the never Trumpers...
==============================

It's politics...every last one of them is for sale. All it takes is figuring out what they want, and that's what a professional campaign does. Kasich is a little nuts, for example, but there are lots of things Trump could promise him: a Medicaid bailout (since the state is so fucked on ObamaCare), or say on Ohio judges, or education money for his precious community colleges...there are hundreds of ways to buy off a guy like Kasich. And a President can dispense more money, power and influence than anyone. Easy fucking peasy.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (/m8T6)

464 "ardball now? where was all this energy and enthusiasm in congress by the Mike Lee's of the world? We voted people like him in to be an opposition party and when he finally puts up a fight it is at our convention?"

Well, principles I guess. LOL *shrugs*

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (6Xbsz)

465 Sheesh, these people act like the rule of law means something. Get a grip, people.
Suspect they will break to let the #never people to caucus. Then slip in some tainted food into the meeting room. Call everyone back into session while they are ralphing their guts out.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (FtrY1)

466 "Remember when Trump was whining about Colorado?

You guys were all about letting the voters vote then.

You guys were all about the system is rigged then.

Trump. Lost. Colorado. but he managed to whine and whine and whine and people believed him that it was "rigged" instead of the truth, that Trump didn't spend or hire or have any team there.

So STFU about whining.
Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (UBBWX)"

Great point!

Trump could have put this nomination away much earlier by knocking Cruz out in Iowa if he hadn't been too cheap and disorganized to get a ground game.

Posted by: Jill v2 at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (8048L)

467 They are no problem at the CPA convention.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 05:11 PM (NUqwG)

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That's because everyone wants to get to the free happy hour.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:13 PM (gmeXX)

468 "we'd have a lot less grief right now if the rules had been structured to ensure the final winner was broadly favored across the party."

There was never going to be anyone broadly favored this cycle.

The irony was that the rules were written to favor a Romney/Jeb candidate. It backfired.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:13 PM (r1fLd)

469 Btw, Boy's State was just like this. You could be standing in front of the chair yelling your objections and he would rule the vote unanimous.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:13 PM (evdj2)

470 Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:06 PM (uOimA)

Careful. You may be called a sore loser.

Not by me though. This is where it began.

Posted by: Golfman at July 18, 2016 05:13 PM (48QDY)

471 Because driving entire delegations out of the convention is a sure sign of victory in November...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 05:13 PM (vBeA5)

472 Sightings of Bill Kristol crying are now out there.

Someone get video's.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:13 PM (6Xbsz)

473 "Name recognition and the ability to self fund. "

ability to self-fund. not actual self-funding.

Those loans may still be paid off by donors.

We'll know after the convention if Trump was telling the truth or not about that.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:14 PM (UBBWX)

474 So it's a bad idea to comment saw after the dentists happy gas.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 18, 2016 05:14 PM (ISejo)

475 where was all this energy and enthusiasm in congress by the Mike Lee's of the world?

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It was being thwarted by the Paul Ryan's of the world. You know just like today.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:14 PM (gmeXX)

476 Like I said, it's Trumps move. Spitting in the face of the most powerful politician in OH is not a smart move, IF you want to win.

It's Trump's ego that is getting in the way of our victory. He has ALL the moves.
The losers need love too.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 18, 2016 04:30 PM (F1iXz)

I'm too confused to render an opinion on what's going on, so I'll just say this.

Trump has been spat on since he entered the race. I'm ok with him spitting back. He owes nothing to the losers at this point.

Posted by: Country Boy at July 18, 2016 05:15 PM (6W5FD)

477
It's my party and I'll aye if I want toooooo.....!

Posted by: The GOPe at July 18, 2016 05:15 PM (T6P0y)

478 "Trump could have put this nomination away much earlier by knocking Cruz out in Iowa if he hadn't been too cheap and disorganized to get a ground game."

Maybe I give him a pass on Iowa. Its his first rodeo.

but by colorado...c'mon.

Ge didn't even have people to vote for.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:15 PM (UBBWX)

479 As far as I can tell, the neverTrumpers tried to use the rules to force a floor vote and the Trumpers countered their use of the rules in their own use of the rules in having states withdraw from the motion. Net result is not enough votes.

No foul I can see there. Fair and square.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at July 18, 2016 05:15 PM (0sLvz)

480 @433: "Cruz really is the worst. Handing out toys to children. What a monster."

Handing out toys to criminals, you mean. Oh wait, like Hillary, they probably didn't mean to break the law.....

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:15 PM (rznWS)

481 Cruz really is the worst. Handing out toys to children. What a monster.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (gmeXX)

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Merkel did the same thing...how did that work out for the EU.

It is called common sense...there is time for kindness, and time not for it. You also start with your own citizens. I am starting to get the feeling that Cruz and Lee of the Libertarian strain of Conservatives who have some interesting views on nation states.

For example Lee is against a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, says it is "intolerant". Using Lee's logic we can never ban anyone entering the U.S. as if the constitution protects non-U.S. citizens entering the U.S.

That is Obama's position!

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (KhJh8)

482 I think calling the #NeverTrump delegates "grassroots" is more than a little disengenuous.

Posted by: random lurker at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (WF5ei)

483 How about a new slogan for the GOP

"The Democrats' Least-Loved Servants"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (AroJD)

484 In case you have not noticed...

You could not buy off most of the never Trumpers...

==============================

It's politics...every last one of them is for sale. All it takes is
figuring out what they want, and that's what a professional campaign
does. Kasich is a little nuts, for example, but there are lots of
things Trump could promise him: a Medicaid bailout (since the state is
so fucked on ObamaCare), or say on Ohio judges, or education money for
his precious community colleges...there are hundreds of ways to buy off a
guy like Kasich. And a President can dispense more money, power and
influence than anyone. Easy fucking peasy.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (/m8T6)

Believe it of not MTF, some people still have integrity even in this day and age (not Kasich of course, but some other people).

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (3JA/M)

485 431 His guys are whipping for the rule change.

No, Trump officials and the RNC (namely Priebus and Walsh) whipped against the rules roll call vote.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (YjDyJ)

486 The energy we were talking about was directing Lee at Ryan.

Yay, another useless tool who only stands up to vote when it's something Obama wants.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (6Xbsz)

487 "Trump has been spat on since he entered the race. I'm ok with him spitting back."

LOL. He compared Ben Carson to a child molester. Did Dr. Carson say a bad word about Trump?

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (UBBWX)

488 464 "ardball now? where was all this energy and enthusiasm in congress by the Mike Lee's of the world? We voted people like him in to be an opposition party and when he finally puts up a fight it is at our convention?"

Well, principles I guess. LOL *shrugs*
Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (6Xbsz)

Renee Ellmers could not be reached for comment. Cruz filibustered and is labeled as one that can not get along.

Posted by: Golfman at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (48QDY)

489 I think calling the #NeverTrump delegates "grassroots" is more than a little disengenuous.

Posted by: random lurker at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (WF5ei)

And you would be wrong.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (3JA/M)

490 That might just make people in Colorado's party angry.

Posted by: Sexypig

You should not feel so all alone!

Everybody must get stoned!

And anger is the path to the darkside.

Posted by: Yoda Dylan at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (RFeQD)

491 @433: "Cruz really is the worst. Handing out toys to children. What a monster."

Handing out toys to criminals, you mean.

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Yeah, those kids were hardened criminals.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (gmeXX)

492 @440: "The outsiders are helped by the first states being smaller, retail-oriented."

Retail oriented? So we're not just a banana republic, we're actually Banana Republic....

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (rznWS)

493 "Democracy is working just the way it was designed to work.
"

Which is why we live in a constitutional republic.
Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2016 05:01 PM (HN6JB)

Yes, and Trump won only a plurality of votes. In lower office primaries, there is a runoff so the winner is always someone who gets majority of the votes.

Delegates can serve as the "runoff" role. This year the normal candidates split the vote in a crowded field, while all the unconventional voters consolidated behind Trump.

The purpose of a party is to pick a suitable candidate and prevent what happened this year: an attention-seeking stunt candidate actually won the most delegates. Not the most votes, but the most delegates.

Posted by: stace...SMOD2016--because why the fuck not? at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (ozZau)

494 Trump won by emotionally manipulating LIVs.
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I respectfully disagree.

As a registered Republican, I feel betrayed by the party. They have made promises on things like Obamacare and have never followed through. They have supported Obama and the Democrats eagerly these last eight years. Sure, they may do some kabuki to make it look like they're not supporting them, but they do.

As a result, I only considered outsider candidates.

Posted by: shibumi who lives in a nation without laws at July 18, 2016 05:17 PM (tvyXw)

495 Anyone else think it is enormously stupid to determine the rules of the convention at the convention? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a rules convention two years out to set the rules for the presidential convention thereby obviating the need for fights to change the rules?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (Ee2nz)

496 " I think calling the #NeverTrump delegates "grassroots" is more than a little disengenuous."

It's disengenuous to call them anything but Hillary supporters. Which they obviously are.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (6Xbsz)

497 "460 That's not a knock on Trump, he was very lucky to benefit from the celebrity aura, the huge field, and rules that were set up to favor a Romney 2012 type of candidate. The GOP insiders set those rules never anticipating the effect of a celebrity insurgent candidate. Nevertheless, we'd have a lot less grief right now if the rules had been structured to ensure the final winner was broadly favored across the party.
Posted by: Jill v2

1. Trump wasn't lucky. he possessed to attributes that primary candidates would kill for, and he used both. Name recognition and the ability to self fund. he was also not a politician, and he said something different from the clown car. And he was off and running.
2. True some of the more arcane races benefit 'fringe' candidates. But the changes would benefit the monied, party favorites.
Posted by: empress mommom at July 18, 2016 05:12 PM (326rv)"

Trump was quite lucky in having rules in place that worked to his benefit, an enormous fragmented field, and media coverage more interested in ratings from covering such an interesting character than really informing the electorate (until he got the nomination).

I'll grant you that Trump worked hard to build his celebrity status and name recognition.

Having more closed primaries wouldn't benefit the monied interests nearly as much as it would help the grassroots conservatives to advance someone that is actually on board with their goals.

Posted by: Jill v2 at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (8048L)

498
CO delegates are least of the people that have a gripe about convention rules or rigging. Not that Trump would have won, but they are a closed incestuous group here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (ODxAs)

499 No, Trump officials and the RNC (namely Priebus and Walsh) whipped against the rules roll call vote.

They were whipping for the proposed rules changes without a roll call vote.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (evdj2)

500 "Handing out toys to criminals, you mean. Oh wait, like Hillary, they probably didn't mean to break the law....."

pssst. Children don't know they are breaking the law when Mommy takes them on a trip.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (UBBWX)

501 No wonder I don't see eye to eye with Trump fans. They think handing out toys to children is just the worst.

I hope I never become that cynical in life.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (gmeXX)

502 We'll know after the convention if Trump was telling the truth or not about that.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:14 PM (UBBWX)
The one thing we know right now, is that no one gives s crap about that except you.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (uOimA)

503 LIV - Anyone who disagrees with me.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (NUqwG)

504 Anyone else think it is enormously stupid to determine the rules of the convention at the convention? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a rules convention two years out to set the rules for the presidential convention thereby obviating the need for fights to change the rules?
...
Why are you so anti-fun?

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (1H9ox)

505
LOL. He compared Ben Carson to a child molester. Did Dr. Carson say a bad word about Trump?
Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (UBBWX)

Maybe he should have.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (lKyWE)

506 LIV - Anyone who disagrees with me.
...
I disagree

Posted by: LIV at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (1H9ox)

507 Ace: "The challenges to the rules would have two big effects: 1, delegates would be unbound, but also 2, it would reject the consolidation of power in a whole host of areas in the RNC and Reince Priebus."

Maybe they shouldn't have bundled the rules changes against consolidation of power together with a rule unbinding the delegates.

Trying to unbind the delegates is a NeverTrump Bill Kristol-ish dog-in-the-manger move at this point. It would render meaningless the entire primary process.

The objective would be to hand the election to Hillary, who together with Slick has been bought-and-paid-for by the pro-offshoring, H1B, open-borders globalist corporate crowd.

The post-American 'free-trade' cheap-foreign-labor-damn-the-consequences donor class felt that it had purchased the Republican Party fair and square and is now unhappy that primary voters rejected them. So now they would like to wreak a little vengeance. Yes, they preferred Jeb but they can live with Hillary.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (5xDis)

508 "CO delegates are least of the people that have a gripe about convention rules or rigging. Not that Trump would have won, but they are a closed incestuous group here."

Trump claimed the CO caucus was rigged.

It was not. When you accuse people of serious crimes, they normally don't take to your side.

Ben Carson excepted. He can be compared to a child molester and then support Trump.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (UBBWX)

509 433 1. He meet with those who had loved ones killed by illegals, yet Ted and Beck went and meet with the illegals to hand out teddy bears and soccer balls. Did Cruz try to meet with them before Trump beat him to it? No.

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Cruz really is the worst. Handing out toys to children. What a monster.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:07 PM (gmeXX)

Once again that entire scene and Cruz's involvement is being
misrepresented. What's new.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (0QLpr)

510 I suppose it isn't a surprise. The lunatics have been making Trumps rallies highly entertaining for months. It's actually kind of nice they would provide entertainment at the convention too.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (6Xbsz)

511
an attention-seeking stunt candidate actually won the most delegates. Not the most votes, but the most delegates.

Hear Here! That fucking obama!

Posted by: Hillary at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (ODxAs)

512 "These are the rules as decided by the delegates thru the rules process. Or, is that just another procedure we get to skip when we don't like the results?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 04:58 PM (kdS6q)"

Do you mean like the rules that require a roll call vote, but were ignored because it MIGHT look bad?? Those rules?

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (jTy8z)

513 Handing out toys to criminals, you mean.

Cruz didn't go there to comfort and welcome the children, he went there to point out what was happening and why. Handing out Becks toys was just something that happened.

He basically barked the Obama administration over what was going on.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:21 PM (evdj2)

514 "Maybe he should have."

He's weird.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:21 PM (UBBWX)

515 Anyone else think it is enormously stupid to determine the rules of the convention at the convention? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a rules convention two years out to set the rules for the presidential convention thereby obviating the need for fights to change the rules?
...
Why are you so anti-fun?
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STOP MAKING SENSE!!!! H8ter!!!

Posted by: lindafell- TEXIT!! at July 18, 2016 05:21 PM (xVgrA)

516 How about a new slogan for the GOP

"The Democrats' Least-Loved Servants"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

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I picture the Dems as Benny Hill, and the GOP as the short bald man that he used to slap on the head to get him to move where he wanted him to go.

Posted by: RKae at July 18, 2016 05:21 PM (+qoyA)

517 @491: "Yeah, those kids were hardened criminals."

In the country illegally. Criminals, whether you like it or not.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:22 PM (rznWS)

518 504

Hope you aren't one that has called for a Constitutional convention .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:22 PM (0QLpr)

519 517 @491: "Yeah, those kids were hardened criminals."

In the country illegally. Criminals, whether you like it or not.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:22 PM (rznWS)

Not if they were born here.

Posted by: SCOTUS at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (48QDY)

520 No, Trump officials and the RNC (namely Priebus and Walsh) whipped against the rules roll call vote.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (YjDyJ)

The roll call vote would have rejected the rules change (maybe). By whipping against the roll call vote, they were trying to force through the rule changes.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (3JA/M)

521 @500: "pssst. Children don't know they are breaking the law when Mommy takes them on a trip."

Pssst. Intent isn't an element of the crime.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (rznWS)

522 W'ere still fighting over Cruz?!!

I supported Cruz and i still feel like taking a gun to my head when this redundant stuff happens. Trump should be the nominee-end of story.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (bpZlE)

523 I still think any drama like this, or protests, or riots all will help Trump.

Maybe the Bernie Bros will be inspired!

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (UBBWX)

524 Wait how did my copy of a post disappear? I demand a roll call to determine how this happened!

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (0QLpr)

525 Well no need for the scheduled colonic cleansing.

GOPe now and forever, peasants.

The thugs really in charge of this convention are McConnell and Ryan---formally and informally-- and their fellow travelers.

Trump is the on-camera ... 'the talent'...but the producers, directors and money men are the same old GOPe--assholes who are totally indistinguishable from the DEMe.

We are well and truly Fcuked.

Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at July 18, 2016 05:24 PM (3ZttN)

526 He owes nothing to the losers at this point.
Posted by: Country Boy at July 18, 2016 05:15 PM (6W5FD)

He doesn't owe anyone anything.

But he does need their votes, and their money.
Maybe after he clinched the nomination he should've stopped kicking other Repubs in the nuts. Just a thought.

After the primaries, I thought he might be able to do the promised pivot to adult behavior and party unification, but he can't. It's outside of his nature.

Posted by: stace...SMOD2016--because why the fuck not? at July 18, 2016 05:24 PM (ozZau)

527 484 Believe it of not MTF, some people still have integrity even in this day and age (not Kasich of course, but some other people).

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:16 PM (3JA/M)
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Oh, spare me. This convention is an "event" designed to send a marketing message. The result is a foregone conclusion, or it should be anyway. Anyone organizing against Trump at this point is doing it for selfish motives: they think he's going to lose, and they'll look good to history for having fought him, or they hate his guts and are paying him back for some slight along the way, or they want something and are hanging around the fringes of the NeverTrump crowd until they get the offer they want.

I sure as hell hope no one is fighting this battle out of some misbegotten sense of "integrity". That's so nai ve that anyone doing so should be summarily drummed out of the convention, by their own side.

We need to win. This convention has to project a unified front. Trump needs to make the deals necessary to get that done. Do whatever it takes.

Posted by: MTF at July 18, 2016 05:24 PM (/m8T6)

528 As I've said before, #NeverTrump ended with Indiana. #NeverTrump could only get 12 votes last week during the committee, and is failing badly today. This is sour grapes and asshattery.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:24 PM (r1fLd)

529 Not enough insurrection, too bad, except those officers and gentlemen don't have anyplace else to go.

It's 360 degrees of doom in every direction. A sphere of doom, if you will.

Posted by: SMOD's GOT A BETTER WAY at July 18, 2016 05:24 PM (Sp1NT)

530 W'ere still fighting over Cruz?!!

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I'm undecided. Did he hand out bears, balls, or both?

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2016 05:25 PM (NUqwG)

531
Wait how did my copy of a post disappear? I demand a roll call to determine how this happened!
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (0QLpr)

Need six other posters bub

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 05:25 PM (lKyWE)

532 Pssst. Intent isn't an element of the crime.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (rznWS)

The heck you say?!

Posted by: FBI Dir Comey at July 18, 2016 05:25 PM (7lVbc)

533 Once again that entire scene and Cruz's involvement is being

misrepresented. What's new.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (0QLpr)

Trumpsters do love them some misrepresentation... especially about "the Canadian".

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:25 PM (3JA/M)

534
I saw Sphere of Doom open for Motley Crue in aught three at the Thunderdome.

Posted by: Hillary at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (ODxAs)

535 >>>> CO delegates are least of the people that have a gripe about convention rules or rigging. Not that Trump would have won, but they are a closed incestuous group here.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (ODxAs)
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Yup. This.
I wasn't allowed to vote at my caucus for Trump though I wasn' t planning on it and voted for Cruz bc the state GOP changed the rules at the last minute worried that letting people actually vote for Trump might help him nationally. We did a fake vote instead.

Posted by: L, Elle at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (6IPEM)

536 W'ere still fighting over Cruz?!!

I supported Cruz and i still feel like taking a gun to my head when this redundant stuff happens. Trump should be the nominee-end of story.

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Hell yeah, I'm fighting over him. Because losers keep bringing up how he handed out teddy bears to children and for some reason this is the worst thing he has ever done because ... well I don't know why accept that they are heartless.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (gmeXX)

537 499 They were whipping for the proposed rules changes without a roll call vote.

Right. I thought you meant something else.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (YjDyJ)

538 "W'ere still fighting over Cruz?!!"

Not really.

Most of this is caused by Trump.

Calling the Colorado process rigged because he lost, as he didn't have staff there.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (UBBWX)

539 Just get it over with and hope Trump flounces off at the eleventh hour. Anything could happen.

Posted by: SarahW at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (Sp1NT)

540
Aaaarghyle sock off.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (ODxAs)

541 Vote for our guy or else we will call you names!! You're not allowed to have an opinion because if you do, you're a Hillary supporter! Oh, and that guy you supported is basically Hitler, so there is that!

This is what we're reduced to.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (2PHKP)

542 "Maybe after he clinched the nomination he should've stopped kicking other Repubs in the nuts."

You mean the ones who have done everything to upset his primary win, after Cruz and Kasich hung in as potential spoilers and Romeny catspaws?

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (r1fLd)

543 Side note...
There was just an axe attack (the wood chopper not the body spray) on a train in Germany. No indication of motivation yet and the Muslim lumberjack union was unresponsive to questions.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (1H9ox)

544 Wait how did my copy of a post disappear? I demand a roll call to determine how this happened!

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:23 PM (0QLpr)

Need six other posters bub

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 05:25 PM (lKyWE)

Dear Ace,

Please be informed that this is my formal petition for a roll call vote on Joe's missing post

X's and O's,red

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (3JA/M)

545 This is what we're reduced to.

I'm reduced to drinking heavily.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (evdj2)

546 533
Trumpsters do love them some misrepresentation... especially about "the Canadian".

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 1996 05:25 PM (3JA/M)

I enjoy your butthurt so very much. You wonder why I'm not mentioning Cruz? It's because he like you is now irrelevant.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (uOimA)

547 It's disengenuous to call them anything but Hillary supporters. Which they obviously are.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:18 PM (6Xbsz)

There is no greater Hillary supporter than those who pushed Trump on us in the primaries.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (vBeA5)

548 You wonder why I'm not mentioning Cruz?

*snort* wait .. you just mentioned him!

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:28 PM (evdj2)

549 No wonder I don't see eye to eye with Trump fans. They think handing out toys to children is just the worst.

I hope I never become that cynical in life.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:19 PM (gmeXX)

Optics, it sends the signal they are welcome. What you encourage, you get more of.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (Ee2nz)

550 "Hell yeah, I'm fighting over him. Because losers keep bringing up how he handed out teddy bears to children and for some reason this is the worst thing he has ever done because ... well I don't know why accept that they are heartless."

The only reason I can see not handing out toys to kids who have been detained would be you don't think they are human somehow.

I'm fine with sending them back. You don't have to be a dick about it though.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (UBBWX)

551
Calling the Colorado process rigged because he lost, as he didn't have staff there.
Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (UBBWX)

Oh big deal,get over it

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (lKyWE)

552
I enjoy your butthurt so very much. You wonder why I'm not mentioning Cruz? It's because he like you is now irrelevant.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:27 PM (uOimA)

I think Ace mentioned something about personal attacks.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (2PHKP)

553 "Maybe after he clinched the nomination he should've stopped kicking other Repubs in the nuts."
...
Yeah, he should have cuddled with the Speaker of the House. Or maybe gone out to eat with the Senior Senator from South Carolina. Even better, he could have done some joint rallies with the previous Republican nominee for president.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (1H9ox)

554 Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:28 PM (evdj2)

I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:30 PM (uOimA)

555 Workplace question--if your boss goes from being a pushover to a gigantic asshole within the span of a few weeks, does that mean his job is on the line?

Re: the convention, is there any chance Lake Erie will explode and take this whole mess with it?

Don't know if you pay much attention to the Ras Right Direction/Wrong Direction o-meter, but it's at 21% this week, a 3 year low. Which of course helps the incumbent party!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 18, 2016 05:30 PM (hqZPQ)

556 The Rubber-Glue Gambit! Do right, no defense!

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:30 PM (evdj2)

557 I see sexypig (chemjeff), redbanzai, and even Miss80'sBaby have shown up for the thread.

Miss80's, how is Ryan's 12th dimensional chess plan working beyond fully funding PP, Obama's amnesty, etc.?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:30 PM (Ee2nz)

558 Optics, it sends the signal they are welcome. What you encourage, you get more of.

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Bullshit, no one decided to come to this country illegally because some others received a teddy bear.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:30 PM (gmeXX)

559 So I have to say, how does it feel for the shoe to be on the other foot? Remember when we Trump supporters got upset reading about delegate selection at the state-level being strong armed by Cruz-bots? In Colorado there was actually a consideration by the party to re-do the voting, it was that bad. And NOW you complain that you feel the RNC did not follow procedure? Watch some of the chaotic videos that were made during the delegate selection process, and you will maybe understand why I really don't care.

Who is having the problem unifying? These Never Trump people. It is OVER. They made the rules last week. Bound delegates must vote for Trump (if that is what their state voted). Live with it.

You are not the voter, delegate. You are representing them at the convention. Your personal issues with Trump are not what is important. The voters from your state ARE important.

Posted by: K-E at July 18, 2016 05:31 PM (BVeKL)

560 New polls!

Trump has gained 9% with Independents over the last month, breaking a tie (Monmouth).

Trump has leads of as much as 23% in six out of seven bellwether counties in seven swing states (Axiom Strategies).

Just win baby!

And he has enough momentum to win without the #NeverTrump vote.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:31 PM (r1fLd)

561 "Optics, it sends the signal they are welcome. What you encourage, you get more of."

I was once in line for customs in Macau.

The Chinese official came out and removed a candy dish from the counter when the family from the Philippines arrived to go through customs.

I guess you'd be on his said. "Optics! We can't let any Filipino kids eat some free candy because it might attract more of them to Macau!"

What attracts them are permisos, not teddy bears in detention, dude.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:31 PM (UBBWX)

562 This election is annoying when it isn't boring.

Posted by: V the K at July 18, 2016 05:31 PM (O7MnT)

563 Optics, it sends the signal they are welcome. What you encourage, you get more of.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (Ee2nz)

Since Cruz (not BECK but Cruz) was down there with medical supplies to highlight the disaster that the Obama administration (and Cantor) caused, no it wasn't to signal that they were welcome.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:31 PM (3JA/M)

564 There is no greater Hillary supporter than those who pushed Trump on us in the primaries.
....
As in the record number of people who voted for him the primaries?
Oh wait...you said no greater supporter. I guess that rules out those that say they will not vote for the Republican nominee for president. I mean, those people are doing their best to stop her from becoming president.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:32 PM (1H9ox)

565 And he has enough momentum to win without the #NeverTrump vote.

Which is fantastic, because no way do I want to be responsible for the presidency of the Tang-Haired Angry Clown.

Posted by: V the K at July 18, 2016 05:32 PM (O7MnT)

566 You are not the voter, delegate. You are representing them at the convention. Your personal issues with Trump are not what is important. The voters from your state ARE important.

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Might as well get rid of Congress too I guess.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:32 PM (gmeXX)

567 "Remember when we Trump supporters got upset reading about delegate selection at the state-level being strong armed by Cruz-bots? "

No, we remember Trump claiming it was rigged, when he had one person managing the entire caucus, fired him the week before the caucus and didn't have enough delegates, and screwed up his cards, etc.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:32 PM (UBBWX)

568 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (Ee2nz

You're almost there. Cruz went there specifically for optics to show the failure that was Obama and what his policies had created. What occurred and said that day and days after is easily found and it shows it was anything but handing out toys from Cruz's perspective.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:33 PM (0QLpr)

569 Miss80's, how is Ryan's 12th dimensional chess plan working beyond fully funding PP, Obama's amnesty, etc.?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:30 PM (Ee2nz)

How would she know? Why don't you go ask your Orange Overlord who supports PP, amnesty, etc.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:33 PM (3JA/M)

570 Trump will be the nominee. All I'm seeing to the contrary is conjecture and exstrapolation.

Posted by: Soona at July 18, 2016 05:34 PM (Fmupd)

571 "Remember when we Trump supporters got upset reading about delegate selection at the state-level being strong armed by Cruz-bots? "

No, we remember Trump claiming it was rigged, when he had one person managing the entire caucus, fired him the week before the caucus and didn't have enough delegates, and screwed up his cards, etc.

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I remember how a Trump win meant the establishment's days were over. But I guess it is easier to be coopted by the establishment than fight them.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:34 PM (gmeXX)

572 Hell yeah, I'm fighting over him. Because losers keep bringing up how he handed out teddy bears to children and for some reason this is the worst thing he has ever done because ... well I don't know why accept that they are heartless.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:26 PM (gmeXX)

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"Losers" keep bringing it up because Cruz and Co., keep doing strategically stupid things that their supporters think are "genius moves" that in the end accomplish nothing except two things:

1. Help empower the Bush/Ryan wing more by making the Cruz wing look like lunatics while at the same time weakening Trump.

2. Help Hillary Clinton win

The Teddy Bear thing was a great example! It just played into Obama's hands by showing how we must all feel sorry for the kids and let them in. Why not hand out teddy bears to American children who had loved ones slaughtered by illegals? Should they not come first?

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 05:35 PM (KhJh8)

573 Do you mean like the rules that require a roll call vote, but were ignored because it MIGHT look bad?? Those rules?
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at July 18, 2016 05:20 PM (jTy8z)

I think the rules that say the delegates are bound but now we'll change the rules to make the delegate unbound which we couldn't do in committee but we'll try to do on the floor and wahh, wahh, wahh....we want the rules changed. Changing the rules, even within the rules, for something like this is skeevey.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:35 PM (Ee2nz)

574 Trump will be the nominee.

It's a done deal, no doubt. He's got the RNC's backing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:35 PM (evdj2)

575 I do remember Trump demanding the Iowa results be overturned because he accused Cruz of being a liar and a cheat.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:36 PM (0QLpr)

576

You're almost there. Cruz went there specifically for optics to show the failure that was Obama and what his policies had created. What occurred and said that day and days after is easily found and it shows it was anything but handing out toys from Cruz's perspective.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:33 PM (0QLpr)

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And tied himself to Glenn Beck. Not a smart move.

Posted by: Soona at July 18, 2016 05:36 PM (Fmupd)

577 I actually think Trump and his supporters would be better off to drop the whole "we demand unity from you backstabbin' folks who will cause Trump to lose"

Instead you should organize, GOTV, raise money, etc. That would impress me more than cries of "stabbed in the back! and The NeverTrumpers are to blame!"

Get out your check books and send Trump some money. Maybe it wil' go to retire his personal loans or maybe he'll honor his promise and spend it on his campaign.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:36 PM (UBBWX)

578 The Teddy Bear thing was a great example! It just played into Obama's hands by showing how we must all feel sorry for the kids and let them in. Why not hand out teddy bears to American children who had loved ones slaughtered by illegals? Should they not come first?

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Its amazing how the teddy bear giveaway bothers you. You are really worked up about it.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:36 PM (gmeXX)

579 Winona?
Hier!
Denk je stemmen voor kleverige stroop?
Ja!
Moet je stuiteren?
Ja!
We toestaan Bandersnatch om naar te kijken?
Nee!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 18, 2016 05:37 PM (HvbSz)

580 Anyone figure out yet how a bunch of crybabies whining at the convention somehow makes them more attractive in 2016?

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:37 PM (6Xbsz)

581 "I do remember Trump demanding the Iowa results be overturned because he accused Cruz of being a liar and a cheat."

Yes, that is where Lyin' Ted came from.

Because Ted Cruz' team believed a CNN report from Tapper that Carson was dropping out, which if you listened to it, CNN was dropping hints so heavy it was clear that it was the case.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:38 PM (UBBWX)

582 Ah, Cleveland, home of 10 Cent Beer Night.

This convention would be better if everyone took peyote.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 18, 2016 05:38 PM (hqZPQ)

583 They should have allowed the vote, rules pass, move on.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:38 PM (evdj2)

584 "Anyone figure out yet how a bunch of crybabies whining at the convention somehow makes them more attractive in 2016?"

Trump whined his way through the primary. He admits he is a great whiner. He won.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:38 PM (UBBWX)

585 "This convention would be better if everyone took peyote."

Wait. They didn't?

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:39 PM (UBBWX)

586 582 Ah, Cleveland, home of 10 Cent Beer Night.

This convention would be better if everyone took peyote.
...
It's not helping me. But did you see the size of that chicken?

Posted by: Dirty Steve at July 18, 2016 05:39 PM (1H9ox)

587 Its amazing how the teddy bear giveaway bothers you. You are really worked up about it.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:36 PM (gmeXX)

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Actually it did not bother me that much at the time, although I thought it was a strategically stupid move.

What ticked me off about Cruz was when he backed a George Soros inspired riot in Chicago and blamed Trump and his supporters for getting beat up by the same leftist mob. Yes that is what at last got me thinking Cruz is not the kind of leader I want in charge.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 05:40 PM (KhJh8)

588 " "Anyone figure out yet how a bunch of crybabies whining at the convention somehow makes them more attractive in 2016?"

Trump whined his way through the primary. He admits he is a great whiner. He won."

Ahhh well, I guess your right. Hitler just took it in the shorts.

/sarc

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:40 PM (6Xbsz)

589 wasn't ShitHead the name of the Jerk's dog ?? or was it chemjeff ?

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Clever.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:41 PM (gmeXX)

590 What ticked me off about Cruz was when he backed a George Soros inspired riot in Chicago and blamed Trump and his supporters for getting beat up by the same leftist mob.

Yeah, that bugged me and as everyone knows, I was a Ted Guy the whole way. Stupid move.

Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:41 PM (evdj2)

591 590 wasn't ShitHead the name of the Jerk's dog ?? or was it chemjeff ?
...
Mmmmm...ShitHead.

Posted by: TFG at July 18, 2016 05:42 PM (1H9ox)

592
I see...have shown up for the thread.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist

Throw your pokeball and catch them, and we can battle after school.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 18, 2016 05:42 PM (kdS6q)

593 How would she know? Why don't you go ask your Orange Overlord who supports PP, amnesty, etc.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 05:33 PM (3JA/M)

Maybe because she posted on several threads during the budget process how Ryan had a plan to fix all of these things.

He's not my preferred candidate. I'm just not delusional in thinking that there is a choice at this point. Plus you, ace, et. al. were perfectly happy with trying to find a way to dump Trump. You wanted to play hardball and don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine.

Sad thing is you staged a worse coup than the one in Turkey. At one point that coup looked legitimate. Instead you floundered from candidates that couldn't co-op Trumps message (and in many cases ran from it), to flirting with third party candidates (Mitt, French), to a miserable defeat in the rules committee, and now like the pathetic Kristol are crying out for a savior as your last chance at a symbolic statement is subverted. Go cry in the corner.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:44 PM (Ee2nz)

594 Good day, Ace. I've got a feeling we'll be spending lots of time together in the near future. Loser

Posted by: Irrelevance at July 18, 2016 05:44 PM (aebb9)

595 The Trump Wars, begun, they have.

Time for my bootheels to be wanderin'

Posted by: Yoda Dylan at July 18, 2016 05:46 PM (RFeQD)

596 I thought the rioting was going on OUTSIDE of the convention center.

Posted by: lindafell- TEXIT!! at July 18, 2016 05:47 PM (xVgrA)

597 Insurrection failed?

Good.

And let me explain something that shouldn't need explaining but apparently does.

When you want to use convention rules to overturn the will of the voters and then complain about how the delegates aren't getting a vote, you can't be taken seriously. You are an egregious hypocrite of the worst sort engaging in cognitive dissonance on a level rarely exampled in human history.

"Democracy? Psh. Muh Framers didn't even like democracy and Muh Tru Conservatism doesn't need it! Hey, what is this?! You're not going to let us vote?! You're against democracy!"

Pathetic and contemptible. Honest to God. And fuck Mike Lee. What a worm.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at July 18, 2016 05:47 PM (Ja+yd)

598 Yeah, that bugged me and as everyone knows, I was a Ted Guy the whole way. Stupid move.
Posted by: Grump928(c) every hopeful at July 18, 2016 05:41 PM (evdj2)

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Exactly - All Cruz need say was that while he was not a fan of Trump, that he stood with the Trump's supporters who were attacked by communist thugs.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 05:48 PM (KhJh8)

599 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (Ee2nz

You're almost there. Cruz went there specifically for optics to show the failure that was Obama and what his policies had created. What occurred and said that day and days after is easily found and it shows it was anything but handing out toys from Cruz's perspective.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 18, 2016 05:33 PM (0QLpr)

That's not why Beck went though and Cruz was with Beck. All the MFM was going to show was Cruz handing out teddy bears and maybe a quick blurb. Cruz just doesn't have good political instincts.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:50 PM (Ee2nz)

600 Although this is no longer the most current thread, I'd like to extend a hearty "fuck you" to the assholes pulling this shit. War.

Posted by: Weasel at July 18, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)

601 595
The Trump Wars, begun, they have.

Time for my bootheels to be wanderin'

Posted by: Yoda Dylan at July 18, 2016 05:46 PM (RFeQD)

No it's over for now. The real fun comes if Trump wins. Every speech he tries to give in a blue state will be Palo Alto all over again, but more violent.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 05:51 PM (uOimA)

602 #NeverTrump now reminds me of the Black Knight in The Holy Grail:

Black Knight: [calling after King Arthur] Oh, oh, I see! Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:52 PM (r1fLd)

603 Yeah, he should have cuddled with the Speaker of the House. Or maybe gone out to eat with the Senior Senator from South Carolina. Even better, he could have done some joint rallies with the previous Republican nominee for president.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (1H9ox)

^^^^^^
There's a difference between cuddling and foregoing public and private insults.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 18, 2016 05:53 PM (kZVsz)

604 #198, that would be enough to convince the Society of the Cincinnati that the deal is off and the Newburgh Accord has been revoked.

You wanna see a handpicked task force of the Ranger Regiment serve an eviction notice, that would more than likely do it.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at July 18, 2016 05:53 PM (RWSlt)

605 I've just about had it with the Republican Party rulers.

Posted by: boocat at July 18, 2016 05:53 PM (glPX8)

606 Oh, and 600!!!

Do any of you understand how hard it is to be #600?

Posted by: Weasel at July 18, 2016 05:55 PM (Sfs6o)

607 At least the same people who helped elect Obama when Romney and McCain were up to bat have graciously dropped their masks on the ground so we can take note of who they are in the future.

Mighty white of em.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:55 PM (6Xbsz)

608 From what I have read, RNC could have just allowed the vote, Trump would have won, and we'd be done.

Trump and the RNC (they are now a team, so much for GOPe talk) decided to rig the vote instead.

Great job!

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:56 PM (UBBWX)

609 Yeah, he should have cuddled with the Speaker of the House. Or maybe gone out to eat with the Senior Senator from South Carolina. Even better, he could have done some joint rallies with the previous Republican nominee for president.

Fuck them all.
Posted by: ajmojo at July 18, 2016 05:29 PM (1H9ox)

Nah, all he needed to do was quit saying nasty crazy shit about the people he'd just beaten handily, and others like Gov Martinez. After he clinched the nom he was STILL saying that Cruz's dad killed JFK. What a lunatic--and this is our nominee. jesus.

Posted by: stace...SMOD2016--because why the fuck not? at July 18, 2016 05:57 PM (ozZau)

610 "There's a difference between cuddling and foregoing public and private insults."

"we will punch back twice as hard,"

That's the Chicago way. To beat that you need the New York way.

Just win baby!

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 05:57 PM (r1fLd)

611 That's not why Beck went though and Cruz was with Beck. All the MFM was going to show was Cruz handing out teddy bears and maybe a quick blurb. Cruz just doesn't have good political instincts.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 18, 2016 05:50 PM (Ee2nz)

Beck has also tried to bring Christian refugees from Iraq and Syria over, arguing that we have something in common with them culturally that we do not have with Muslim refugees from the area. The Obama administration has refused to designate Christians in the area as subject to any kind of special pressure, thus making them eligible for priority in refugee placements.

Manafort gave an interview over the weekend extending Trump's Muslim ban to Christians.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at July 18, 2016 05:57 PM (kZVsz)

612 "605 I've just about had it with the Republican Party rulers."

Well not rulers. Almost rulers. They got shouted down but hey, good news. The remain on Hillary's "Holiday" season list.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:57 PM (6Xbsz)

613 Seriously? Most of these never Trumpers are Romney supporters who rammed thru rules changes last convention to deny Paul supporters a voice, in a particularly ugly way, aaaaand also to ensure another "severe" conservative ala McCain/Romey boy nominee by making it hard for an insurgent candidate to win. Trump came in and in a single mighty blow destroyed the squishies and the Trojan horses that had they won, never Trump would be beating us up over to crawl over broken glass to support. Never Trump is siding with Bill Crystal, Romney, Ericson et al, and a Ted Cruz who is looking smarmier by the minute. I live in Texas. I voted for Cruz, and I WILL be contacting the attorney generals office about Canadian Teds possible fraudulent filing for his Senate
run. All I have read on the blogs for years is we need a hard nosed fighter........now we get one and nevertrump who's main leaders are Romney, Bill Crystal, and the down the drain NR, (Who had no problem shoving McCain/Romney down our throats, now suddenly Conservatism matters?)are running around screaming like little girls with a frog down their pants breaking pledges of support, urging others (but not themselves) somebody anybody make him stop pulling my shorts over my head, and oh by the way somehow an undemocratic flouting of the people's will and choice for the nominee is a noble cause? Spare me the drama.

Posted by: Old Guy at July 18, 2016 05:57 PM (h5QBs)

614 I thought the nevertrumpers lost in the rule change committee? Who are they going to put up to take the place of Trump/Pence? What the hell are they thinking?

Are they trying to get the MSM to give Trump/Pence bad publicity during the convention?

Republican nevertrumpers brag about voting for Hillary, are they trying to get the rest of the country to do the same?

Are the GOP nevertrumpers working with/for Hillary?

It sure looks like it.

Posted by: Pam at July 18, 2016 05:58 PM (cF0hS)

615 "608 From what I have read, RNC could have just allowed the vote, Trump would have won, and we'd be done.

Trump and the RNC (they are now a team, so much for GOPe talk) decided to rig the vote instead.

Great job!"

Yeah thats what happened. They played politics and got slapped down for doing it. What's the problem.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 05:58 PM (6Xbsz)

616 Seriously? Most of these never Trumpers are Romney supporters who rammed thru rules changes last convention to deny Paul supporters a voice, in a particularly ugly way, aaaaand also to ensure another "severe" conservative ala McCain/Romey boy nominee by making it hard for an insurgent candidate to win.

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Actually that was the RNC. The same group that rammed today's rules through.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 05:59 PM (gmeXX)

617 "Yeah thats what happened. They played politics and got slapped down for doing it. What's the problem."

Might white of you.

Posted by: Sexypig at July 18, 2016 05:59 PM (UBBWX)

618 Yeah thats what happened. They played politics and got slapped down for doing it. What's the problem."

Might white of you.

Your very welcome Ms. Pig.

You have to admit. The convention so far rocks.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 06:00 PM (6Xbsz)

619 Yeah thats what happened. They played politics and got slapped down for doing it. What's the problem.

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Nothing, it just shows that Trump is in cahoots with the RNC and was never going to destroy the establishment - something many of us understood from the beginning.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)

620 "
Nothing, it just shows that Trump is in cahoots with the RNC and was never going to destroy the establishment - something many of us understood from the beginning."

I'm just not feeling it sir. Not in the least.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 06:02 PM (6Xbsz)

621 "NeverTrump now reminds me of the Black Knight in The Holy Grail"

Yeah? Well, you don't vote for kings. And I'm not voting for Trump.

"Most of these never Trumpers are Romney supporters"

Didn't vote for Romney, either. McCain was my last time of holding my nose.

Posted by: Trumps of Doom at July 18, 2016 06:02 PM (IcMlE)

622 520 The roll call vote would have rejected the rules change (maybe). By whipping against the roll call vote, they were trying to force through the rule changes.

Right. I initially thought "rule change" was a reference to Kendall Unruh and company. Anyway, this is what Preibus was saying this morning:

@ZekeJMiller 4h ago .@Reince informs dels that the Sec of the Convention must be given written notice of roll call request. (she'll be in undisclosed location)

Reporters covering the convention saw Trump whips working the floor. The aforementioned and the RNC lobbied the signees to change their minds. This what they are claiming:

@ChadPergram 6m ago 3 delegations dropped out of effort to to force rules challenge at convention: DC MN ME. IA dropped out late. AK didn't file proper papers

That may be, but it would have been better for all concerned (Trump officials, the RNC, and Womack) to allow a vote. It would have embarrassed Trump, yes, but it most likely would have failed, and that would have been the end of that.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 06:02 PM (YjDyJ)

623 "That may be, but it would have been better for all concerned (Trump officials, the RNC, and Womack) to allow a vote. It would have embarrassed Trump, yes, but it most likely would have failed, and that would have been the end of that."

But it....Is.....The end of that.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 06:03 PM (6Xbsz)

624 "and that would have been the end of that."

And now this is the end of that. Not with a bang but a whimper.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 18, 2016 06:04 PM (r1fLd)

625 "Are the GOP nevertrumpers working with/for Hillary? "

That would be your mobbed-up gambling baron/"reality" TV star. I don't get invited to all the Clinton parties, unlike Captain Orangefur.

Posted by: Trumps of Doom at July 18, 2016 06:04 PM (IcMlE)

626 Although this is no longer the most current thread,
I'd like to extend a hearty "fuck you" to the assholes pulling this
shit. War.

Posted by: Weasel at July 18, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)

And on behalf of the grassroots that have been trying to wrest control of the Republican party from the GOPe, a hearty fuck you right back atcha.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 06:05 PM (3JA/M)

627 "625 "Are the GOP nevertrumpers working with/for Hillary? " "

You have 100 armed people guarding the bank. 100 armed intruders attack the bank and shooting up the place.

Only 70 people inside the bank are shooting back.

Moral of the story: When 30 people don't shoot back. They are in cahoots with the invaders.

Posted by: Drider at July 18, 2016 06:07 PM (6Xbsz)

628 Although this is no longer the most current thread,
I'd like to extend a hearty "fuck you" to the assholes pulling this
shit. War.

Posted by: Weasel at July 18, 2016 05:50 PM (Sfs6o)

And on behalf of the grassroots that have been trying to wrest control of the Republican party from the GOPe, a hearty fuck you right back atcha.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 06:05 PM (3JA/M)

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I'd side with you red, but the party may not be worth saving at this point.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:07 PM (gmeXX)

629 Nothing, it just shows that Trump is in cahoots with the RNC and was never going to destroy the establishment - something many of us understood from the beginning.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)

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So you mean when Cruz was sucking up this same establishment in the late part of the primary to get their support to stop Trump that was ok? Remember part of the reason Cruz blamed Trump for the Chicago leftist riot was because he was trying to kiss up to them to get their support.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 06:14 PM (KhJh8)

630 CRUZ!!!!

Posted by: redbutthurt at July 18, 2016 06:15 PM (qQk+U)

631 So you mean when Cruz was sucking up this same establishment in the late part of the primary to get their support to stop Trump that was ok?

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I didn't have a problem with Cruz doing it and I don't really have a problem with Trump doing it. That's politics. Just stop buying the myth that Trump is going to destroy the establishment.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:17 PM (gmeXX)

632 I didn't have a problem with Cruz doing it and I don't really have a problem with Trump doing it. That's politics. Just stop buying the myth that Trump is going to destroy the establishment.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:17 PM (gmeXX)

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No he is just going to bully them to get what he wants, just like Obama does. Trump has spent a life time paying off politicians to get what he wants. If he wants a wall he will get it, see how Pence rolled over...good boy.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 06:18 PM (KhJh8)

633 If he wants a wall he will get it

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Trump may get that wall, he'll pay for it with amnesty. But at least you will finally get a useless wall ... that will never be built. But Trump will get his press conference, he'll brag about building a wall (he won't mention the amnesty part), and all his fans will swoon.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:21 PM (gmeXX)

634 Trump may get that wall, he'll pay for it with amnesty. But at least you will finally get a useless wall ... that will never be built. But Trump will get his press conference, he'll brag about building a wall (he won't mention the amnesty part), and all his fans will swoon.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:21 PM (gmeXX)

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Does not have too. He will sell it as a tax on Mexico, and there is noting more wonderful to politicians than more revenue to spend on stuff. Better yet you don't have to raise taxes on Americans to get it.

I always wondered when some American politician would come along and push the old Athenian/Roman tribute model for raising money. Also the early American republic was basically funded with tariffs. Now it will be even more effective that we have the largest military to enforce it.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2016 06:24 PM (KhJh8)

635 Also the early American republic was basically funded with tariffs.

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I'd be very much in favor of tariffs if we eliminated all other forms of taxes, shrunk the government down to size of the founding era, and applied it universally.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:26 PM (gmeXX)

636
Roll = "the people who are in attendance."

Or a tasty baked treat

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2016 04:57 PM

...Except for Oceana Roll...

http://tinyurl.com/OceanRollChaplin

Posted by: EyeTest at July 18, 2016 06:33 PM (5x9My)

637 Not wasting my breath and life being retaliated against for a side I think is being treated unfairly by the Left and the media ignoring the understood rules of how things should be, if it then goes and treats people unfairly according to the rules of how things should be.

There are enough true believers in the ranks of Democrats, believers in both America and classic liberalism, that I would perhaps be better off switching, and seeing what can be done 20, 30 years down the road.

Even if Trump is elected, he is a four year blip. If you sacrifice the idea that you are the party that does not brute force things, you will be out of ammo and luck in about 10 years.

Posted by: Horatius at July 18, 2016 06:44 PM (ORlaL)

638 I think they are probably telling the truth about one thing. That some of the signers immediately unsigned. They had 28 votes on the rules committee until they had to stand. Then they had 14. No one wants to cross the old guard but to have a political future they have to let this go forward.

Lone Ranger and Tonto surrounded by Indians.
"Guess we are goners Tonto."
"What we white man?"

Posted by: Ok at July 18, 2016 06:53 PM (CRXed)

639 blazingcatfurca

Posted by: redbutthurt at July 18, 2016 06:55 PM (qQk+U)

640
Trump may get that wall, he'll pay for it with
amnesty. But at least you will finally get a useless wall ... that will
never be built. But Trump will get his press conference, he'll brag
about building a wall (he won't mention the amnesty part), and all his
fans will swoon.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2016 06:21 PM (gmeXX)

Amnesty is dead, and so is any politician that pushes it. Events are in the process of shredding that narrative at this very moment.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 06:55 PM (uOimA)

641 The NeverTrumpers tried once again to play stupid and unfair games and got their asses handed to them. Cry some more, losers!

Posted by: Crybabies at July 18, 2016 07:01 PM (cvIYk)

642 "Are the GOP nevertrumpers working with/for Hillary?

It sure looks like it.
"

They obviously want a 6-3 leftist majority on the Supreme Court for decades to come.

Of course, it would be a different matter if these losers thought that the entire American system was broken and therefore maybe it's time to just say heck with it and prepare for when it all comes crashing down, but no, they believe in the system and will be supporting Cruz or Jeb in 2020 like it will mean something after Hillary gets her appointments. The rest of us will have to do the dirty work when it comes time.

Posted by: Crybabies at July 18, 2016 07:07 PM (cvIYk)

643 This is what it looks like with the common man taking back the reins of power. It's not at all pretty is it? Trump is the ONLY one who can take the fight to the totalitarians. It's gonna be real dirty.

Posted by: Jack Hagan at July 18, 2016 07:09 PM (Jzaak)

644 The most interesting and telling thing in all this is that Reince Priebus fought harder for Trump than he ever did for Romney. I understand that he has to embrace the nominee regardless of personal feelings due to his position but this is more than just mere tolerance. So much for the crackpot theory that he was going to personally replace Trump with either Ryan or Walker.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at July 18, 2016 07:20 PM (YjDyJ)

645 The grotesque Cruz and the other #nevertrump bastards self-immolated with this pussy stunt. Now cut Count Chocola's speaking slot, bar Cuntchinneli, and seat a few new state delegations. Fuck the lot of this trash.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2016 07:21 PM (pq97T)

646 Amnesty is dead, and so is any politician that
pushes it. Events are in the process of shredding that narrative at this
very moment.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 18, 2016 06:55 PM (uOimA)

Says the guy (generic use here... I have no idea if you dangle or don't) who supports Trump wholeheartedly even after his amnesty of many shades statements.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 07:24 PM (9dfKD)

647 2012: We establishment GOP must use the voice vote to squash the Paul bots and nix any chance of a recorded vote so that Romneycare has a smooth ride.

2016: We establishment GOP must use the recorded vote to put a stop to the people's choice Donald Trump...why are they using a voice vote to squash us?

I'm done with those losers, vote them all out of office. Strip Colorado of any delegates for the next 2 cycles, strip VA of theirs, and move Iowa to LAST IN THE NATION status.

Posted by: doug at July 18, 2016 07:24 PM (Y7fRE)

648 On top of that the guy from ND is severing ties from Trump over this saying the people's voice need to be heard......then the asshole admits he's the former head of the GOP in the state. Damn establishment - they believe they have the authority to over rule the citizens at every turn.

Posted by: doug at July 18, 2016 07:26 PM (Y7fRE)

649 Ace is correct, the only reason not to have a roll call is because of the very real risk it would show the chair's side lost. Nor was this a Trump- antiTrump vote. It was about who controlled the party, the grassroots of the paid staff.

Even before the first night's prime time the geniuses running the RNC de- legitimized the entire convention.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at July 18, 2016 07:27 PM (r1i6d)

650 Primary Cruz.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2016 07:28 PM (pq97T)

651 heh, heh, all those elected delegates of Colorado walking out.... oh yeah, they weren't elected they were appointed by the CO establishment. Sayonara, and by the way, don't come back - there will be no Colorado delegation allowed at the RNC for decades.

Posted by: doug at July 18, 2016 07:29 PM (Y7fRE)

652 This is what it looks like with the common man
taking back the reins of power. It's not at all pretty is it? Trump is
the ONLY one who can take the fight to the totalitarians. It's gonna be
real dirty.

Posted by: Jack Hagan at July 18, 2016 07:09 PM (Jzaak)

SNORT... yeah, the common man with billions who just loves the poors (he told us so his own self)... what's he at now? 41% or 42% in the polls?

That is some majority he has going there.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 07:29 PM (9dfKD)

653 And if I am Trump, I would announce that his first Supreme Court appointee will NOT be Ted Cruz and by the way, thanks to Mike Lee, Cruz won't be allowed to speak at the convention. Then I would tell those political insiders to go to the other party and support Hillary with the other Big Business donors. That should grab the Bernie vote.

Posted by: doug at July 18, 2016 07:32 PM (Y7fRE)

654 Anybody else actually inside the arena?

I'm in the nosebleeds - but still here!

Posted by: Knemon at July 18, 2016 07:33 PM (jFlVM)

655 Trump is the establishement. He has no problems with lack of transparency, rampant cronysim and back room deals thay stink to high heaven because that is how he made his business reputation, such as it is.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at July 18, 2016 07:34 PM (r1i6d)

656 The insistence on voice vote is similar to the Committee plugging its ears with fingers and singing 'na-na-na-na-na-na' during '08 and '12.

They're content to retain the little power and prestige playing second fiddle to the Dems, they "eat" their own, rather that risk losing the benefits of their position.

Posted by: socalcon at July 18, 2016 07:42 PM (Roy2Z)

657 The grassroots is a minority of the base, maybe 20%. The tail complaining about not getting to wag the dog into defeat is pretty special.

Trump might lose (although running at MOE in Michigan and ahead in Iowa seems like even that's not so likely anymore), but any of the other candidates definitely would lose, at McCain levels of performance rather than even Romney levels.

The addiction to losing, to coming up with super elaborate strategies to lose, so long as "the party goes the direction I want it to only not really just in my mind" has been really discomfiting to see in the "grassroots" part of the base.

Posted by: TPC at July 18, 2016 07:42 PM (IxlVB)

658 Ace reveals his support of dictatorship.

The sore loser NeverTrump delegates tried to reject the will of the voters and he supports this, yet has the nerve to accuse Trump of being authoritarian.

Posted by: John Smith at July 18, 2016 07:44 PM (YCpUt)

659 623 But it....Is.....The end of that.

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Don't think so. Handing General Election ammo to Shrillary: "Cant run their own party, how can they run a nation" or "THIS is how you want the next 4 years?"

Posted by: socalcon at July 18, 2016 07:45 PM (Roy2Z)

660 "SNORT... yeah, the common man with billions who just loves the poors (he
told us so his own self)... what's he at now? 41% or 42% in the polls?

That is some majority he has going there."

Why else would a man who could live out the rest of his life in comfort do this? Endless cynicism gets us nowhere. Really. Also, why would someone on Ace of Spades blog, maybe the smartest blog on the net, believe the psy-opps push polls being presented right now? Brexit anyone?

Posted by: Jack Hagan at July 18, 2016 07:47 PM (Jzaak)

661 Given the need appeal to swing states, do we really care about the electoral votes from Colorado? Is it a swing state? Bush had a 4 point gap in '04; McCain and Romney lost by 9 pts in '08 and '12.

Would those results make it a swing state... with the CO lib base?

Posted by: socalcon at July 18, 2016 07:51 PM (Roy2Z)

662 Ace reveals his support of dictatorship.

The sore loser NeverTrump delegates tried to reject the will of the voters and he supports this, yet has the nerve to accuse Trump of being authoritarian.

Posted by: John Smith at July 18, 2016 07:44 PM (YCpUt)

Wow, you beclown yourself in your ignorance. What happened today was about the RNC making a power grab. Plenty of pro-Trump people were involved.

In fact, a major Trump donor resigned from the Trump Victory Committee, "You don't do this in America."

The RNC, GOPe/Paul Ryan and Trump people did this.

I guess Trump likes a rigged system if it's in his favor.

Posted by: Joanne at July 18, 2016 07:59 PM (hgBpU)

663 Even before the first night's prime time the geniuses running the RNC de- legitimized the entire convention.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at July 18, 2016 07:27 PM (r1i6d)

Seriously, this was a bad, bad move by Priebus. From reading the comments, I'm surprised so many people here (except Ace) don't even know what happened today.

Posted by: Joanne at July 18, 2016 08:05 PM (hgBpU)

664 What fixerupper said @ #24.

A pox on all their houses.

SH @ 633 Trump (or any President for that matter) could easily pay for a wall by adding a fee to remittances. $6-$8 BILLION dollars flowing offshore ANNUALLY, not back into our communities & infrastructure, but to prop up corrupt govts and further enrich oligarchies who could give a shit about their poor.

Mexico has no problem with building a wall to keep Guatemalans out yet turn on the crocodile tears when a US-Mexico wall is mentioned.

I'm so over it.

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at July 18, 2016 08:11 PM (9HNfr)

665 //The RNC, GOPe/Paul Ryan and Trump people did this.

I guess Trump likes a rigged system if it's in his favor.//

Did what? Made sure that the delegates don't overturn the will of the voters, thus rigging the system against them?

"The system is rigged because the delegates have not been allowed to overturn the voters' will!"

Yeah. It sounds that ridiculous.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at July 18, 2016 08:34 PM (RPsRI)

666 Seriously, the folks who are acting as though democracy has been subverted because the delegates didn't get their chance to subvert democracy by voting to undo what has already been democratically decided . . . well, those folks are a bit dense.

I hope they at least understand this about themselves.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at July 18, 2016 08:42 PM (RPsRI)

667 This is basically about a band of people who had previously running the party rejecting it having been taken away from them. It's as simple as that.

The idea of overriding existing rules would be legitimate for a case such as what the Democrats have right now - where their presumed nominee has been exposed as being guilty of multiple felonies.

Many Republicans have a variety of pet peeves and conspiracy theories about Trump, but unless he actually DOES shoot the wrong person on Madison Avenue it's suicidally insane to turn the whole primary process into a sham. He won - fair and square - and in a game that was literaly rigged against him, with a record number of votes.

It's actually GOOD to see the RNC finally working in concert with Team Trump.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 18, 2016 08:54 PM (jPHi7)

668 Posted by: Anti Antifa at July 18, 2016 08:42 PM (RPsRI)

Seriously, you are either retarded, have poor reading skills, or both. This wasn't about overturning the will of the people. It was about the Republican delegates voting on the rules of the party and taking it out of the hands of the RNC/GOPe. Nothing to do with trying to get rid of Trump.

Posted by: Joanne at July 18, 2016 09:37 PM (hgBpU)

669 I don't have time to understand this. I have a living to earn, dinner to shop for, help prepare (hubby does part of the cooking), and clean up. I bet I'm not the only one who does not have time for what is essentially inside baseball hijinks.

Posted by: Carmen M Fabella at July 18, 2016 10:25 PM (RHjCR)

670 //Seriously, you are either retarded, have poor reading skills, or both.//

There's a third possibility, namely, that while I am neither retarded or possessed of poor readings skills, I simply didn't read the article and carelessly made gross assumptions about facts.

I just received an email from Ken Cuccinelli explaining the situation. Unlike this blog post, I did read the email. The situation is now clear to me.

You are correct. It was not an anti-Trump effort.

That's what I get for making assumptions. Apologies.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at July 18, 2016 10:26 PM (RPsRI)

671 "The chair is now claiming that while they received nine delegations'
asking for a roll-call vote, three then withdrew their petitions"

We know which nine signed the petition.
Which three withdrew?
Oh, they refuse to answer that question, and will never tell us?
Sure, that's fine.

Who wouldn't trust the GOP establishment?
I mean they've never once screwed over the base on anything... right?
So we can give them the trust they ask for. They're entirely trustworthy.

Posted by: gekkobear at July 18, 2016 10:32 PM (0p8Lv)

672 Give it up losers

Posted by: The best at July 18, 2016 10:48 PM (xFBHJ)

673 #671: From what I've read, some delegates (albeit unnamed ones, aka "anonymous sources") from Minnesota and Iowa have told at least one reporter that they'd submitted petitions with the required number of signatures, but then had some of those signatories change their minds and withdraw their signatures.

I think it's at least feasible that the RNC is actually telling us the truth on this matter, and just doesn't want to name those delegates who changed their minds out of concern that they'd then be subjected to pressure to get back on board with #FreeTheDelegates.

Now, I know this isn't exactly the most credible source, here...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkyfpdm

... but, I'd also have to ask why some lefty BuzzFeed writer would want the GOP National Convention to run smoothly, enough to lie about what happened there, rather than "tell the truth" and let the resulting chaos divide the party and ensure a Hillary victory in November

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at July 18, 2016 10:49 PM (0OG8D)

674 Rimarys matter

Posted by: The best at July 18, 2016 10:54 PM (xFBHJ)

675 Seriously, you guys asking for details to corroborate the RNC's claim of #FreeTheDelegates signatories changing their minds... what do you think would happen if Reince Priebus came right out and said, "Yeah, Joe Bumble, a delegate from Sioux City, Iowa, signed the petition but then changed his mind and withdrew his support"?

Joe Bumble would then be pressured with all sorts of bribes and threats to change his mind back again.

Wouldn't you prefer that Joe Bumble be left free of such interference from "voting his conscience"?

By the way, I pulled that name Joe Bumble out of my ass as a hypothetical example; if there is indeed a Joe Bumble from Sioux City attending the Convention as a delegate, please accept my apologies; any resemblance to real-life persons in this comment is coincidental.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at July 18, 2016 11:13 PM (0OG8D)

676 Incidentally, Ace is a good guy, but he is prone to exaggerate at times when he doesn't personally like a person involved in the situations he's blogging about.

Exhibit A: Corey Lewandowski twisting off Michelle Fields's arm like the rear leg of a grasshopper.

And, Ace, you're giving me whiplash, here. One day it's "Yep, Trump is absolutely going to be the GOP nominee, and we've got to get behind him and support him, because Hillary."

Then, the next day, you see a tiny glimmer of hope that someone, anyone, you don't care who, might have an outside shot at stealing the nomination away from Trump, and then it's all about, "Oh, Trump is once again the worst thing ever, and anything that might be done to stop him will be 100% worth it."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at July 19, 2016 12:06 AM (0OG8D)

677 You guys do not believe in rules or democracy. You're social justice warriors -- you believe in whatever "rule" advances the objective you're zealously, maniacally in favor of, and then you curse any dissenters or objecters as some kind of traitors to a cause they never swore allegiance to.

- - -

Oh, fuck right off Ace.

Posted by: LASIK fucked my head at July 19, 2016 12:18 AM (AxrvF)

678 These asses lost the primary vote, lost the rules committee vote, and their most recent shenanigans have failed.

Boo hoo. No one cares about the pathetic mewling of losers.

Posted by: Sjg at July 19, 2016 12:52 AM (gDSJf)

679 So wtf--these whiners get delegates to be able to blow off the voters who sent them so they can vote for who? And "who" was not elected out of a group of 17. And "who" is going to go out there and say vote for me against Hillary? And never mind the most voters ever who elected Trump? What morons think this will work? (My apologies to the resident morons here).

Posted by: AnnaS at July 19, 2016 02:01 AM (P+I7L)

680 Says the guy (generic use here... I have no idea if
you dangle or don't) who supports Trump wholeheartedly even after his
amnesty of many shades statements.

Posted by: redbanzai at July 18, 2016 07:24 PM (9dfKD)

No cause with tom in the name you wouldn't know if I was a guy or not. Passive aggressive suits you.

Posted by: DFCtomm at July 19, 2016 05:22 AM (uOimA)

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