The "Elites" Are Revolting

Elizabeth Nolan Brown on the "elites" no longer even bothering to pretend they're interested in democracy.

The transnationalist cosmopolitans of both the left and right have tapped their Inner John Olivers and they're ready to shove aside the consent of the governed and just rule by fiat.

This is as ugly an anti-masses sentiment as I can remember. And the consequences of it are likely to be dire. Ordinary people are effectively being told they're too dumb for politics. And democracy is being treated as a negotiable commodity that can be cast aside if we the stupid people make the wrong decision. This is a species of tyranny. The mask has slipped. Our normally conscientious elite, feeling bruised and aloof after the referendum, has dispensed with its usual platitudes about "respecting all views," and shown that beneath the polite veneer there lurks an ancient fury with the least and the dumbest; with the masses; with the people.

This piece similarly collects up the "elites'" fury at their inferiors.

Posted by: Ace at 04:44 PM

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1 They certainly are.

Posted by: Caliban at June 27, 2016 04:45 PM (DrC22)

2 All animals are created equal... some are just more "equal."

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 04:45 PM (O2RFr)

3 Felix Salmon's Twitter feed is glorious today.

Posted by: Oschisms at June 27, 2016 04:46 PM (ZsN9X)

4 The transnationalist cosmopolitans of both the left and right have
tapped their Inner John Olivers and they're ready to shove aside the
consent of the governed and just rule by fiat.
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Perhaps we should look into how the American founders dealt with this same sort of attitude from our nominal betters...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 04:47 PM (X7E8f)

5 4 The transnationalist cosmopolitans of both the left and right have
tapped their Inner John Olivers and they're ready to shove aside the
consent of the governed and just rule by fiat.

It's for Our own good don't You know...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 04:47 PM (O2RFr)

6 Face status:

[x] shocked
[ ] not shocked

Have to provide evidence these days.

(My apologies to whomever started this meme here. I have appropriated your joke without your permission.)

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 27, 2016 04:48 PM (ND7OQ)

7 They stink on ice. Woof!

Posted by: King Louis XIV at June 27, 2016 04:48 PM (HaJRS)

8 Can we get on with the collapse already? If it's going to happen, we need to have some people at least remember proper principles for government so that whatever comes after isn't necessarily a totalitarian hellhole.

The longer the western "Education" systems work, the harder tha tis.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 04:48 PM (KUaJL)

9 The fact that American elites are so worked up over Brexit shows what they really are. They love telling people what to do.

Posted by: Caliban at June 27, 2016 04:49 PM (DrC22)

10 Wow, these elites sure can get high and mighty!

Posted by: Plato at June 27, 2016 04:49 PM (/m8T6)

11 There's a scene in the animated Japanese film "Princesss Mononoke" where the lead character shoots and kills "the god of the forest" -- some kind of universal nature deity, represented by a stag with antlers -- but instead of simply falling down and dying, the inner spirit of the nature-god kind of pours out of the stag's body and grows to immense size and eventually transforms the entire dying forest into a green thriving garden of Eden.

There's something about that scene that reminds me of what is going on in Europe right now at this very moment. The elites and bureaucrats and transnantional socialists though they could kill the spirit of individualism and independence and freedom, but instead they (by calling for the Brexit vote referendum) have unleashed a formerly-contained energy that is now going to sweep over the continent. The entire project of "global government" which has been the goal of the Left since the 1850s has suddenly and shockingly taken a massive bodyblow, as the EU is now disintegrating and the desire for local governance is sweeping the world.

Posted by: zombie at June 27, 2016 04:49 PM (jBuUi)

12 The society in Europe is much more stratefied than it is here in the US. But like the US, the upper crust has always pretended to be a "champion of the little people". But that was only as long as they knew their "proper place".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 04:50 PM (mpXpK)

13
I quoted some brit toff he sais he would not accept the Leave result bc it was rule by mob. lol

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 04:51 PM (iQIUe)

14 The Great Terror shall be seen as afternoon tea if they keep going down this path. I hope the US stays out of round three.

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at June 27, 2016 04:51 PM (jJjGw)

15 We need some simple rules for these simple folk, perhaps prominently displayed, so they know their places.

Posted by: Napoleon The Pig at June 27, 2016 04:52 PM (/m8T6)

16 Here's the thing.

I have a JD.

I've taught college.

I have an IQ in the upper 5%.

Hell, I even ticky some diversity boxes.

So. Would any of those elites be happy to let me run their lives?

Because I'm thinking the answer is no.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 04:52 PM (mf5HN)

17 Woof!

Posted by: Nigel Farage at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (/m8T6)

18 Indeed, much of the elitist rage with the masses who voted for Brexit
echoes a longstanding suspicion of democracy. Among the upper echelons
of society there has never been a willing acceptance of the idea that
ordinary people should have an equal say in political life.
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When the government politicizes everything you have to expect that everyone will get involved in politics, at least eventually.

So the 1st world elites have to either accept that they will have to either return some measure of political power to the people by reducing the government, face the fact they will be outvoted by the more numerous hoi polloi, or....implement a sham democracy where people vote but it doesn't really matter,

Note that the elites are all on board with solution #3...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (X7E8f)

19 Ordinary people are effectively being told they're too dumb for politics.

Then since the elites are so hyper-competent, if they f*ck something up, they did that on purpose. Right? And they should pay for their perfidy, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (oKE6c)

20 Let's see if France can find those Guillotines. It's been a long time since they used them, but they have to be around there some place.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (uqqj+)

21 "Democracy" comes from the greek word "demos" -- the people.

The word "democracy" literally means "rule by the common man."

That simply won't do!

Posted by: zombie at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (jBuUi)

22 It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.

Posted by: GKC at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (XfEYT)

23 It's not just the elites in Europe, we've splintered this country so many ways that adversarial views are found everywhere. Shouting down and silencing the "uneducated" or the "uncaring" is step one.
It seems every group is elite, and special, just like all the others.

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (Fol9S)

24 It was only a 4% marging,too small for such an important political change.(If leave had won by 1% it would have been " the people have spoken!")

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (B48dK)

25 Isn't there an implicit bias in listening to John Oliver? His fan base is the same as Jon Stewart's Daily Show, who apparently aren't watching the black guy Comedy Central hired to replace him (or the black guy on the Nightly Show that follows). That's racism.

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 04:54 PM (7HtZB)

26 24 I meant if "stay" had won by 1%.

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 04:54 PM (B48dK)

27 It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.
***
Hanged? How about how many were even fired for Orlando, San Bernadino, the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mortgage meltdown, etc....?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 04:55 PM (X7E8f)

28 10 Wow, these elites sure can get high and mighty!
Posted by: Plato at June 27, 2016 04:49 PM (/m8T6)

Yeah, who do they think they are, us?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 04:55 PM (oKE6c)

29 After reading the new mandatory "bias" training from the DOJ and this I'm figuring We are truly f**ked...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 04:55 PM (O2RFr)

30 Ah, Wizard of Id, that timeless classic:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hxm46gz

Posted by: pookysgirl at June 27, 2016 04:56 PM (K27gs)

31
People in power don't like to give up power, even if its to tell you what kind of toilet or light bulb to use. Their control over people gives them a sense of self and of graft as hillary will attest.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 27, 2016 04:56 PM (ODxAs)

32 Wow, these elites sure can get high and mighty!
Posted by: Plato at June 27, 2016 04:49 PM (/m8T6)
___
I love Plato, really one of my favorites.

I always have to remember to not eat it when I am done making things out of it though.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 27, 2016 04:56 PM (X7E8f)

33 20 Let's see if France can find those Guillotines. It's been a long time since they used them, but they have to be around there some place.
Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (uqqj+)

A little WD-40, and they'll be good to go.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 04:56 PM (oKE6c)

34 Our "betters" among the elite were entrusted with running things honestly and competently. They instead have enriched themselves and their cronies with the peasants money, enacted laws and regulations that they can ignore but are enforced vigorously against the peasants.

They now have the chutzpah to tell us that all of this is "in your best interest".

We're left with a wrecked massively imbalanced economy, runaway immigration with no means to absorb the immigrants, and the world peace they claim to bring is instead a powder keg waiting for a match.

They fuck things up and shield themselves from the consequences. The people of the world are telling them "YOU'RE FIRED"

Posted by: kbdabear at June 27, 2016 04:57 PM (JHLkD)

35
Ordinary people are effectively being told they're too dumb for politics.
-----------------------

The last two presidential elections and the most recent Democrat primary should justify the contempt liberals have for ordinary people.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 04:57 PM (pC96u)

36
".....and they looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which"

Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 04:57 PM (8XRCm)

37 The upcoming election will be a mess, I think we can all agree. Perhaps we need to consider skipping it, just this one time.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Barack Obama, President For Life at June 27, 2016 04:58 PM (/m8T6)

38 36
".....and they looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which"
Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 04:57 PM (8XRCm)

Pig-man, baby, pig-man!

Posted by: Kramer at June 27, 2016 04:58 PM (7HtZB)

39 Seriously, the Brexit vote is probably the most important news to come out of Europe since 1989 (the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, a.k.a. "the Berlin Wall coming down").

And that was the most important news since 1945.

Until this moment, "the progress of history" was depicted as moving ever-forward toward transnational global government. Now we realize -- hang on just a darn minute, why is this terrible thing inevitably depicted as humanity's final state of perfection?

This is a waking-up of ultra-epic proportions. It could be even more important than the death of the Warsaw pact and the Soviet Union. 1989 saw the end of "self-defined overt communism." 2016 now sees the end of the even-more-sinister "crypto-communism," e.g. transnational undemocratic government.

Posted by: zombie at June 27, 2016 04:59 PM (jBuUi)

40 The mask has indeed slipped.

Posted by: WisRich at June 27, 2016 04:59 PM (hdpay)

41 Liberal cosmopolitanism, regnant since the end of the Cold War, has bought completely into its own rightness righteousness.*

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437142/brexit-vote-racism-xenophobia-were-not-cause

*A little correction there

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 04:59 PM (uqqj+)

42 hanging politicians? we are going to need more rope and a bigger tree. a lot bigger tree. there aint enough lamp posts anymore.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 27, 2016 04:59 PM (ucDmr)

43 It was only a 4% marging,too small for such an important political change.(If leave had won by 1% it would have been " the people have spoken!")
Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (B48dK)

Yup.

Look, America has a representative democracy because mobs are dangerous. 51% of the people will vote to have 49% support them. That's human nature. But. Of course there's a but.

But it's still supposed to be a democracy underneath. People are supposed to be able to vote the bastards out. People are supposed to be able to have a meaningful say on the local level.

The rise of the administrative state ended that. There's a reason I go all shrieky about the delegation doctrine and how the Administrative Procedures Act was the beginning of the downfall of America. We've replaced a House of Lords and a heredity despotism with unelected, unaccountable, non-fireable and bordering on heredity despotism.

In a way, all of this is clarifying. Then again, fires usually are.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 04:59 PM (mf5HN)

44 To quote the darling of the Northeast Liberal Elite;

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable" - JFK

Posted by: kbdabear at June 27, 2016 04:59 PM (JHLkD)

45
NRO #NeverTrumpbots Lash Out at Shattering of Their Worldview

LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (iQIUe)

46 I have seen this before. Australia has mandatory voting, but still the right sometimes wins there.

So, when discussing Aussie politics with two Aussies, I discovered the woman was very lefty and very elite.

I managed to get her to admit out loud that the "bogans" shouldn't be allowed to vote.

The boyfriend had a very surprised look on his face.

I may have revealed something to him about his girlfriend that night. heh hehe.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (UBBWX)

47 The second linked article is hilarious and delicious coming from Never tRump Online.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (NUqwG)

48 >>A little WD-40, and they'll be good to go.

Guillotine?

This is the 21st century. A detcord necklace is equally quick and far more suitable for Youtube in the ISIS era.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (o+SC1)

49 The elites plus everyone who thinks they're elite or wants to be elite. I was amazed by the outrage over this by college kids and people it doesn't even affect. Same people that are so suspicious of corporations and banks getting outraged over the UK leaving a group that mainly benefits corporations and banks.

Posted by: brak at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (MJuTN)

50 Yeah, this genie ain't going back in the bottle, folks.

Just a question of who goes first.

Because afterwards...it all goes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:01 PM (9krrF)

51 >>>The "Elites" Are Revolting<<<

We sure are.

Posted by: Debbie Weimaraner-Shitz, Henry Wax"man" at June 27, 2016 05:01 PM (H9MG5)

52 Funny, these are the same people always lecturing us on "tolerance."

Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2016 05:01 PM (NOIQH)

53 The transnationalist cosmopolitans of both the left and right have tapped their Inner John Olivers and they're ready to shove aside the consent of the governed and just rule by fiat.

They gonna skin those smoke wagons or just whistle Dixie?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 05:01 PM (PrVhQ)

54 Has anyone else in the EU aside from the pro Brexit voters told Merkel to go pound sand? She's one of the most revolting elites.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 27, 2016 05:01 PM (frf5f)

55 Brexit will sink your home values!
- Real headline on MSN.com today.

Posted by: Kramer at June 27, 2016 05:02 PM (7HtZB)

56 54 Has anyone else in the EU aside from the pro Brexit voters told Merkel to go pound sand? She's one of the most revolting elites.

Yeah, send Her back to Her bunker...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:02 PM (O2RFr)

57 35
Ordinary people are effectively being told they're too dumb for politics.
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The last two presidential elections and the most recent Democrat primary should justify the contempt liberals have for ordinary people.
Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 04:57 PM (pC96u)

The people of Wal-Mart ARE too stupid to make good decisions, but - and this is the key part - it's their RIGHT to make stupid decisions, at least for themselves.

People do things all the time that I think are stupid, but it's not my life, it's theirs, and they are just exercising their right to be stupid if they see fit. And, of course, I could be wrong (yes!), and what they're doing is actually sound.

I've had this with undergrad advisees who did not complete the requirements for their degree, and quit just short of doing so. I always thought that was stupid, but Edwin Land, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg all dropped out of Harvard, and they turned out OK.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 05:02 PM (oKE6c)

58 The electorate is too ignorant for Democracy and the elites too narcissistic for Democracy. A pendulum will always be the best the description of politics / government.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 05:03 PM (mmU7u)

59 Those Brexit celebrants are wearing JEANS. They are totally unfit to make decisions on choosing who will make the rules that are in their best interest.

Posted by: George Will at June 27, 2016 05:03 PM (JHLkD)

60 This is the 21st century. A detcord necklace is equally quick and far more suitable for Youtube in the ISIS era.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (o+SC1)

Style matters

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 05:03 PM (uqqj+)

61 The elites plus everyone who thinks they're elite or wants to be elite.

I think the term was "Intendant", a broader use than its original meaning, but also more usable in polite circles than "Starf*cker".

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:03 PM (9krrF)

62
The "leave" voters were of course the smart ones. The first countries to get out of the EU are going to be better off.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 27, 2016 05:04 PM (ODxAs)

63 >>Isn't there an implicit bias in listening to John Oliver? His fan base is the same as Jon Stewart's Daily Show....

Yes, since Oliver used to work on the Daily Show.

Just love these Brits who've moved to the US whining about Brexit.
So...you can leave the UK, but the UK can't leave the EU?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2016 05:04 PM (NOIQH)

64 The "Elites" and the "Pigs" never believed in Democracy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:04 PM (zp+j1)

65 BTW, there is a very strong argument that our government was designed to protect liberty, and not to deliver democracy.

Democracy is over-rated.

This is why judicial deference is bad. We need judges who will defend liberty over majoritarian legislation.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 27, 2016 05:05 PM (UBBWX)

66 the link isnt to e n brown

Posted by: bjk at June 27, 2016 05:05 PM (x2rNW)

67 Your local party is run by the same class of petty, stupid, short-sighted shitbags no less interested in democracy than the national shitbags.

They learn that disdain at the local level first.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 05:05 PM (77emZ)

68 People do things all the time that I think are stupid, but it's not my life, it's theirs, and they are just exercising their right to be stupid if they see fit. And, of course, I could be wrong (yes!), and what they're doing is actually sound.

Nobody decides to do the wrong thing. It's just that between the information they have, the values they've been taught, and how they've been brought up to think, they don't always recognize the right or wrong choice. Some of this is on them...but so, so much no longer is.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (9krrF)

69 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (GwIKd)

70
The love of money is not the root of all evil.

The love of ruling and lording over other people is the root of all evil.

~Fixerupper

Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (8XRCm)

71 This tracks with everything I heard on Brexit from the lefties I listen in on. Some decisions are too complicated for masses to vote on, and need to be kept to group properly educated to make informed decisions because only they can understand all the intricacies of the issue. I expect at some point in my life to simply vote for a face, and all other important issues to be decided by special committee of my betters. AVENGE ME!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (oGQLL)

72 The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (mmU7u)

73 67 Your local party is run by the same class of petty, stupid, short-sighted shitbags no less interested in democracy than the national shitbags.
-----------------

Everyone starts out on the HOA or PTO board and goes up from there.

Posted by: Roy at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (VndSC)

74 I get as impatient and condescending as anyone with the NFL/Kardashian state of our country, but at least I recognize the danger of reserving power to a small minority. Mob rule isn't much better, though.

I eagerly await our cold, logical robot overlords.

Posted by: pep at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (LAe3v)

75 Sorry that was Winston Churchill who of course also opined Democracy was the best of a bad lot.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 05:07 PM (mmU7u)

76 [Blind Gossip] When this female singer talks about sex, she uses code words.

When describing a recent sexual encounter, she said that she let the man "go fishing." When someone asked her what she meant, she explained that it meant allowing the man to penetrate her "starfish" from behind.

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I think she means spelunking?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 05:07 PM (iQIUe)

77 I'm shocked that anybody reading this blog would be shocked to learn that the elites hold them with contempt and hatred reserved for a level below subhuman.

If only there was a document that has been written and used in the past to address our grievances.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at June 27, 2016 05:07 PM (hNICT)

78 What exactly makes one an "elite?"

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (O2RFr)

79 The most miserable people in the world right now are Remain supporting kick ball fans.

Iceland 2
England 1

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (/tuJf)

80 I'm shocked that anybody reading this blog would be shocked to learn that the elites hold them with contempt and hatred reserved for a level below subhuman.

To be fair, the feeling is largely mutual.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (9krrF)

81 George Will seems to have favored Brexit.

Just so the commenter who thinks he didn't should probably consider that not everyone who is against Trump is also for Remain.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (UBBWX)

82 When the government politicizes everything you have to expect that everyone will get involved in politics, at least eventually.

So the 1st world elites have to either accept that they will have to either return some measure of political power to the people by reducing the government, face the fact they will be outvoted by the more numerous hoi polloi, or....implement a sham democracy where people vote but it doesn't really matter,

Note that the elites are all on board with solution #3...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 04:53 PM (X7E8f)

So I learned something interesting this week.

Back in 2005, they were holding referendums in various EU countries to ratify the constitution and form the EU as we currently understand it. Except, the people weren't going along with the plan and the referenda failed in several countries, such as France. The UK was set to vote on the constitution in 2006, but cancelled it in the wake of all those rejections.

So what happens? The technocrats amended existing treaties to implement the EU constitution as rejected by those nations. (Ireland being the exception there, since it wanted big bank bailouts.)

This is why I'm okay with the citizens of the UK (and the rest of the EU, if Frau Merkel will let them) voting to leave the EU. Most of them ever voted to join the EU in the first place!

Posted by: Hal at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (9+Yad)

83 All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (zp+j1)

84 I have a JD.

I've taught college.

I have an IQ in the upper 5%.

Hell, I even ticky some diversity boxes.

So. Would any of those elites be happy to let me run their lives?

Because I'm thinking the answer is no.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 04:52 PM (mf5HN)

1. Many have JDs, so that is a plus if it is Harvard or Yale.

2. Teach? If you don't mean a silly non-teaching honorary position for a large salary so you can lobby for the school, they don't care.

3. I have rarely encountered politicians whose intellects impress me, so they will probably be intimidated by your ability to use English and count without taking your socks off

4. They abhor diversity. Keep the colored folk away!

You're batting .250....nothing impressive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (Zu3d9)

85 I eagerly await our cold, logical robot overlords.
Posted by: pep at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (LAe3v)

Oh. Sweetie.

I'm not a robot.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (mf5HN)

86 I am actually glad that the masks are off. This at least tells us who the fuckers are.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (3ZoRf)

87 The "Elites" Are Revolting

In so many ways

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (39g3+)

88 I'm here for the new ice age!

Posted by: Yo! at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (GwIKd)

89 So. Would any of those elites be happy to let me run their lives?

Because I'm thinking the answer is no.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 04:52 PM (mf5HN)

They don't like shock collars or rowing the royal yacht?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (fC9RO)

90 No one believes more firmly than Comrade Fredo that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (zp+j1)

91 Don't have the link handy, but a jaw-dropping exit poll of voters sorted by age revealed the TRUE nature of the voting.

In the UK, the Brexit voting broke down like this:

Age 18-24: 90% STAY
Age 25-34: 55% LEAVE
Age 35-54: 60% LEAVE
Age 55-69: 65% LEAVE
Age 70+: 70% LEAVE

In other words: the younger you are, the more like you want communist dictatorship.

And were it now for the brainwashed youth and college students, "leave" would have won nationwide with about two-thirds of the vote. The sub-25s vote in HUGE numbers almost entirely to STAY, but it was not enough to outweigh every other age group.

Which confirms two truisms:

1. Youth = stupidity
2. "Education" = communist indoctrination

Posted by: zombie at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (jBuUi)

92 Memo to the UK Remainers:

If you were born after 1980, your entire adult life has been lived under the increasingly heavy thumb of the EU.

It is time you realized that your country has a history, one that extends back far beyond the Thatcher than you probably presume to hate from no personal experience.

A history of independence, a history of conquest which, no matter what spittle-inflected hostility your professors may have thrown at you, was positive (well, mostly positive, there was really no excuse for the Chinese opium situation), a history of sacrifice (the dead of the Somme and Passchendaele were the leaders your country needed through much of the 20th century.)

So, go suck German dork if you must. That thumping beneath your feet is your ancestors in graveyards all over Europe spinning at ten thousand RPM.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (o+SC1)

93 Ick, I clicked the bottom link and it took me to a Hillary website.
I feel that I need to take a hot bath.

Warnings on NRO link is appreciated.

Posted by: Drider at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (6Xbsz)

94 And were it now for = And were it NOT for

Posted by: zombie at June 27, 2016 05:09 PM (jBuUi)

95 The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average ~~voter~~ elected official.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (mmU7u)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 05:10 PM (Zu3d9)

96 This October makes 99 years since the Bolsheviks gave 'em what fer. They tell me my great-grandfather cried when they killed the Czar, but hell, it smartened the rest of them up for a bit. Can we get some transnational cosmopolitans witin range of ISIS?

Posted by: Oscar at June 27, 2016 05:10 PM (Sk0R3)

97
For a while I have just assumed that most elections are just sham votes anyway and its all been pre-determined by the elitists. Which always makes it a little bit of a shock when the elitists don't get their way.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 27, 2016 05:10 PM (ODxAs)

98 >>>This piece similarly collects up the "elites'" fury at their inferiors.

It really is amusing to read articles in publications that are vehemently anti-Trump (in this case, NRO) but are somehow able to find their inner populism / nationalism when it comes to Brexit.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 27, 2016 05:11 PM (R+30W)

99 Prager said it wouldn't surprise him if there is another referendum Brexit, keep voting until you get the result they need.

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2016 05:11 PM (d9qXV)

100 3. I have rarely encountered politicians whose intellects impress me, so they will probably be intimidated by your ability to use English and count without taking your socks off

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (Zu3d9)

They are impressed by accreditation, and think that equals intelligence. Actually they think that holding liberal positions equals intelligence- which makes them pretty much the same as everyone, ever, throughout history (I think this. This guy agrees with me. He smart.)

Too bad they are fools. Or rather, too bad for us.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 27, 2016 05:11 PM (3ZoRf)

101 Our own Founding Fathers agreed that pure democracy would be dangerous and only people with 'skin in the game' should be able to vote.

Of course todays elitist temper tantrum is because the middle class outvoted &/or outdid the media and elites in convincing the LIVs in how to vote.

How dare you go against how your celebrity betters told you to think?!

Posted by: Palerider at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (dkExz)

102 What is shocking is that the elites almost without exception have this inclination to dictatorship. Not a shred of humility among them.

Posted by: Decaf at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (dRz86)

103 The other dynamic is that their policies have been utter failures with tragic consequences and yet they're still smarter than us redneck hillbillies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (Nwg0u)

104 The thing about international socialism is that the working class is loyal to each other across national boundaries, so is the ruling class. And that is designed to help them maintain power.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (fC9RO)

105 16
Here's the thing.

I have a JD.

I've taught college.

I have an IQ in the upper 5%.

Hell, I even ticky some diversity boxes.

So. Would any of those elites be happy to let me run their lives?

Because I'm thinking the answer is no.

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You have the wrong thoughts in your head, you see. And the wrong blood in your veins. The wrong school on your diploma. Etc.

All this talk about privilege, these "elites" reek of it--the worst kind: Unearned and untouchable.

But me, a guy who watched my parents feed a family of 9 on $5k a year back in the 80's is derided as having privilege.

While these self-same fuckers that do so, spend all their day sucking up to the real privilege--hoping to be that ugly Cinderella invited to the Harvest Ball.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (77emZ)

106

That Cheri Jacobus chick is a complete lunatic, she's one of those GOP types...

The GOP wants to keep things the way they are, the fat drunken slobs they are.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at June 27, 2016 05:13 PM (sItQg)

107 "Ordinary people are effectively being told they're too dumb for politics."

Um, yeah, okay. In some ways this statement has a ring of truth to it. =cough= Hillary! Democrat voters! =cough, cough=

Posted by: Shinjinrui at June 27, 2016 05:13 PM (4SznG)

108 "The elites are not the problem at all, the population is at the moment the problem." -Joachim Gauck

Gates of Vienna: http://preview.tinyurl.com/j8pta4k

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (T/cxb)

109 The funny thing is that the EU had hid their plan to ban electric tea kettles till after the Brexit vote.

I guess some enterprising Brit will make a small fortune smuggling banned kettles to the rest of Europe.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (3Xxpy)

110 'It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so." said some guy who wound up on the wrong side of history.

e.g Yale Law School Dean's op-ed in WaPo a few days ago: "Global warming is perhaps the single most significant threat facing the future of humanity on this planet." while arguing that Exxon-Mobil has no First Amendment rights.

e.g., Angela Merkel, that letting over one million Muslim refugees just storm right into Germany was a good idea.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (r1fLd)

111 I like this talk from Insty:
"Traditionally, when the leaders and scribes resist the revolution, you hang a few from lampposts and the rest fall in line."

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (77emZ)

112 65
BTW, there is a very strong argument that our government was designed to protect liberty, and not to deliver democracy.

Democracy is over-rated.

This is why judicial deference is bad. We need judges who will defend liberty over majoritarian legislation.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 27, 2016 05:05 PM (UBBWX)

The founders absolutely did NOT want a "Democracy" and we have never been a Democracy no matter how the socialists try try year after year to get one. We are a "Republic".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (mpXpK)

113 102 What is shocking is that the elites almost without exception have this inclination to dictatorship. Not a shred of humility among them.
Posted by: Decaf at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (dRz86)

Sure, they want to be the nomenklatura in the dictatorship. Too bad the self styled "Intelligensia" are usually the first ones thrown into the wheels of the machine after things go sideways.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (3ZoRf)

114 Has there ever been a popular uprising in a ostensibly democratic society before, much less a successful one? I realize that representative government is a relatively recent phenomena, Classical Greece & Rome notwithstanding.

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (7HtZB)

115 He (Prager)also pointed out leftists are not fond of referendums as it is the only thing they can't control.

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (d9qXV)

116 The Democratic Platform endorses going after legally any one who disagrees with them on Global Warming...and you know it will not stop there. Comrades

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:15 PM (zp+j1)

117 I think about the lead-up to our two 20th century great wars. People behaved as if normal was in place, when in fact, in retrospect, the specter of devastation is as clear to us as anything.

Some at the time proclaimed the dangers they were facing, and were largely ignored, considered cranks and malcontents.

While I readily admit, there is an attraction to believing we're in dire times, that what is indeed, normal, is not normal, but I think that is not the case here. I think we are in for the storm. Indeed, we're already in it, we just aren't yet seeing the devastation.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 05:15 PM (TOk1P)

118 >> "Traditionally, when the leaders and scribes resist the
>> revolution, you hang a few from lampposts and the rest fall
>> in line."

Has anyone looked up 'lanterne' at Amazon lately? I mean, without free two-day Prime shipping we obviously can't do anything about our bureaucracy.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM (o+SC1)

119 People keep saying "they just want power." But clearly there is more to the story.

I think of it as kind of a racial civil war, primarily white people vs. themselves.

The "enlightened" white people seek to lead the other races in a war against their own kind.

Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM (q177U)

120 In a way, all of this is clarifying. Then again, fires usually are.

*nods sagely*

Also purifying.

Posted by: The Burning Times at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM (/ChCs)

121 "And the consequences of it are likely to be dire. Ordinary people are
effectively being told they're too dumb for politics. And democracy is
being treated as a negotiable commodity that can be cast aside if we the
stupid people make the wrong decision. This is a species of tyranny."

Getcher pitchforks right here, ladies and gennelmen! Getcher pitchforks before they're gone. Special today only, buy five pitchforks and get a free torch, no extra charge! Pitchforks, getcher pitchforks!...

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM (iIzG7)

122 114 Has there ever been a popular uprising in a ostensibly democratic society before, much less a successful one? I realize that representative government is a relatively recent phenomena, Classical Greece & Rome notwithstanding.
Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (7HtZB)

The various french revolutions.

The Civil War.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM (3ZoRf)

123 It is as it's always been. Read about the Peloponnesian Wars and see the similarities from then and now.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM (mmU7u)

124 The funny thing is that the EU had hid their plan to ban electric tea kettles till after the Brexit vote.

I guess some enterprising Brit will make a small fortune smuggling banned kettles to the rest of Europe.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (3Xxpy)

Okay. It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for tea?

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:17 PM (mf5HN)

125 -
"Isn't there an implicit bias in listening to John Oliver?"

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I had to look up who you guys where talking about. I thought we were getting all worked up over a limey twink on a some cooking show.

Posted by: irright at June 27, 2016 05:17 PM (XfEYT)

126 >>The Democratic Platform endorses going after legally any
>> one who disagrees with them on Global Warming...and you
>> know it will not stop there. Comrades

Especially once Hillary (or whomever replaces her once she's led off in shackles) gets a couple Supreme Court picks.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:17 PM (o+SC1)

127 "So. Would any of those elites be happy to let me run their lives? Because I'm thinking the answer is no."

During one of Dave Burge's satirical runs for office, he stated the key plank of his economic policy as being (quoted roughly from memory):

"I wouldn't have any idea how to run the economy. So I propose not to do so."

Posted by: torquewrench at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (noWW6)

128 >>> The Civil War.

You man the War of Northern Aggression?

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (Fol9S)

129 In the olden days torches and pitchforks were effective forms of social justice. As were riding the rail, and tar and feathers. We need a 21st century equivalent.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (B3Tgj)

130 man = mean..
dammit.

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (Fol9S)

131 Has there ever been a popular uprising in a ostensibly democratic society before, much less a successful one?
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Upper Canada/Lower Canada 1837 - unsuccessful

Posted by: RioBravo at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (NUqwG)

132 The Dow was down 286 points today, hardly the OMG THE WORLD IS FUCKED scare tactics, and the Plunge Protection Team can easily take care of their fellow elite in any case.

Posted by: kbdabear at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (JHLkD)

133 Its kind of funny watching the screaming freakout over Brexit. They're so obviously overreacting and its outrageous in some cases. "End of the world," "darkness" etc. They're acting like the black plague is spreading through the world.

I'm hoping their ridiculously overwrought response and the virtually nonexistent changes in reality proves how stupid the response of the elites and left are to when things go wrong.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:19 PM (39g3+)

134 @124

They are also going to ban "high power" vacuum cleaners as well.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 05:19 PM (3Xxpy)

135 You man the War of Northern Aggression?
Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 05:18 PM (Fol9S)

Are we going to start a longbow vs crossbow discussion? Maybe 9mm vs .45 vs .40?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 27, 2016 05:19 PM (3ZoRf)

136 "But me, a guy who watched my parents feed a family of 9 on $5k a year back in the 80's is derided as having privilege.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 05:12 PM (77emZ)"

This. I grew up in VERY similar circumstances in the 80's. Yet, I find myself mysteriously missing the benefit of all this "privilege," white - male - or otherwise, that I am supposed to have been bequeathed from birth.

I suspect others like ourselves are getting just a bit fed up with liberals deriding us for sh*t we haven't done.

Posted by: Shinjinrui at June 27, 2016 05:19 PM (4SznG)

137
"While I readily admit, there is an attraction to believing we're in dire times, that what is indeed, normal, is not normal, but I think that is not the case here. I think we are in for the storm. Indeed, we're already in it, we just aren't yet seeing the devastation."

You don't get invited to a lot of parties, do you?

Posted by: pep at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (LAe3v)

138 "In the olden days torches and pitchforks were effective forms of social
justice. As were riding the rail, and tar and feathers. We need a 21st
century equivalent."

Rope and lamppost, Madame la Guillotine... What can I say? I'm old school.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (iIzG7)

139 >>> The Civil War.

You man the War of Northern Aggression?

The War of Southern Recalcitrance.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (1xUj/)

140 >>You man the War of Northern Aggression?

Or it's alternate name, Don't Start Nothing Won't Be Nothing.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (/tuJf)

141 >> Okay. It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here,
>> but how are electric kettles less energy efficient than
>> having to heat up the stove

The idea here is you're supposed to have a lower-wattage kettle. The plan being that, when forced, some boffin will come up with something more efficient than a resistance heating element. Never mind that it - whatever bit of magic they might come up with - will, at least for the first ten years, cost 3x what the current stuff does and last half as long.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (o+SC1)

142 Has there ever been a popular uprising in a ostensibly democratic society before, much less a successful one?
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I guess it depends on how you define democracy.

The Soviet bloc countries had elections after all. Your choices were for the candidate(s) the government wanted you to chose though, and no matter who you voted for it would have no affect on the policies the government actually implemented.

Note this is the model of government the EU and US have been trending to for years...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (X7E8f)

143 As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:21 PM (zp+j1)

144 Fortunately, the Elites have gotten pretty good at democide, so they'll fix this problem in short order.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 27, 2016 05:21 PM (rznWS)

145 People like to tell other people what to do, because they think they are right and the other person is wrong. What we have going on here is a Global Homeowner's Association.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 05:21 PM (dFi94)

146 "The idea here is you're supposed to have a lower-wattage kettle."

The real problem is low-wattage bureaucrats and politicians.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:21 PM (iIzG7)

147 Labour crisis: As many as 150 MPs to vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn in no confidence vote after 35 shadow ministers quit

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As much as I detest Labour, not sure why they are all piling on Red Jerry.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 05:21 PM (iQIUe)

148 124 The funny thing is that the EU had hid their plan to ban electric tea kettles till after the Brexit vote.

I guess some enterprising Brit will make a small fortune smuggling banned kettles to the rest of Europe.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 05:14 PM (3Xxpy)

Okay. It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for tea?
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:17 PM (mf5HN)

I wouldn't be shocked if there was no difference in energy usage.

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2016 05:22 PM (z/Ubi)

149 In before the Scorpion!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 05:22 PM (evdj2)

150 I wouldn't be shocked if there was no difference in energy usage.

It's all about control...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:22 PM (O2RFr)

151 143 As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:21 PM (zp+j1)

Well, Crap.

Posted by: James Madison at June 27, 2016 05:22 PM (3ZoRf)

152 "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious
day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last
and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

Well, that's one more we can cross off the list. Have any left that HAVEN'T happened?

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:22 PM (iIzG7)

153 Did you know that, due to EU regulations, strong vacuum cleaners are outlawed in Britain?

Seriously, as of about two years ago, they banned any vacuum cleaner that had powerful suction.

Why? You ask.

Global warming. Duh!

Strong appliances use more electricity, carbon footprint yadda yadda.

But customers simply said, "Now I have to vacuum twice as long!"

Classic.

Posted by: zombie at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (jBuUi)

154 The people of Wal-Mart ARE too stupid to make good decisions, but - and
this is the key part - it's their RIGHT to make stupid decisions, at
least for themselves.

People do things all the time that I think
are stupid, but it's not my life, it's theirs, and they are just
exercising their right to be stupid if they see fit. And, of course, I
could be wrong (yes!), and what they're doing is actually sound.
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When we had a functioning republic, that stupidity wasn't a problem.

Now we have a mob democracy for everything the elites want. (And let's not kid ourselves--they are very deft at manipulating the mob to agitate for what benefits them.)
And we have a faceless oligarchy--from judges to bureaucrats--to give them everything else.

And they have, so far, kept the conservatives in line with a pincer of fear: The mob on one side and a fear of losing civilized order lest they go against the other.

You have no freedoms left, why hold onto your fear?

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (77emZ)

155 "As much as I detest Labour, not sure why they are all piling on Red Jerry."

Because Red Jerry is going to lose. He's like their lefty-Trump and the establishment wants to dump him for a better shot.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (UBBWX)

156 Pistols or Sabers at dawn? Bring it bitches!

Posted by: Paladin at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (E1aoU)

157 78 What exactly makes one an "elite?"

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (O2RFr)
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Anyone who believes in technocratic government tempered only by judicial action. Preferably staffed by experienced bureaucrats with wide acquaintance among others of the same ilk, and believing mostly in gradual transnational rule.

The guiding documents of these elites are not the archaic American revolutionary tracts, which are far too anti-government and jingoistic.

No, elites prefer Plato, Wilson and Trotsky. They like accounting, plans, imposed thinking and the "tides of history".

http://tinyurl.com/hes7ay6

Posted by: Barack Obama, President For Life at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (/m8T6)

158 The left isn't concerned about why they make you kneel to them....whatever they say...it is the kneeling that is what really matters.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (X7E8f)

159 They are also going to ban "high power" vacuum cleaners as well.

Any appliance they deem "inefficient" is being banned. its like living under that psychiatrist bitch in Robocop 2

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (39g3+)

160 While I readily admit, there is an attraction to believing we're in dire times, that what is indeed, normal, is not normal, but I think that is not the case here. I think we are in for the storm. Indeed, we're already in it, we just aren't yet seeing the devastation.

Read somewhere that we are peering down the barrel of a global war. Countries need it for their stagnant economies, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 05:23 PM (PrVhQ)

161 @11: "the EU is now disintegrating and the desire for local governance is sweeping the world."

For now. The young still favor ever-bigger government by wide margins. While this *might* represent a new beginning, it's just as likely that last throw of the dice for the older generations.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (rznWS)

162 "They are also going to ban 'high power' vacuum cleaners as well."

Even if these sorts of appliances were still to be available for purchase, a goodly percentage of Europe's serf class would find them too expensive to run, the way things are going.

There was an article in _Der Spiegel_ about how, thanks to ridiculous "green" mandates, electricity in Germany is becoming a luxury good. They used those words. The price for ordinary ratepayers has gone through the roof, and continues to rise.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (noWW6)

163 It's a good thing the Brits didn't know about the Eeee-Yewww wanting to ban electric tea pots and toasters before the vote. There would have been 25 million votes to GTFO instead of 17 million.

Posted by: Hank at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (/vqyz)

164 The War That Made Us Morally Superior to Boko Haram.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (2cS/G)

165 "Seriously, as of about two years ago, they banned any vacuum cleaner that had powerful suction."

The government fears competition. They feel the need to ban vacuum cleaners that suck more than they do.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (iIzG7)

166 The idea here is you're supposed to have a lower-wattage kettle. The plan being that, when forced, some boffin will come up with something more efficient than a resistance heating element. Never mind that it - whatever bit of magic they might come up with - will, at least for the first ten years, cost 3x what the current stuff does and last half as long.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (o+SC1)

Sooooooo, lower wattage for longer time = more energy efficient?

Are we sure this isn't an Underpants Gnome scheme?

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (mf5HN)

167 As another writer noted, the British working class Labour voters were treated as suffering victims of Thatcher's policies in the 1980's and even well into the '90's (remember films like "The Full Monty?")

Those are exactly the same people who, 30 years later, voted "Leave." So they're now elderly, ignorant bigots, just as the noble Tom Joad types the American left used to love are now redneck scum.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (u0lmX)

168
"Okay. It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for tea?"

Well, sure, if you're satisfied with the taste of that, no difference.

Posted by: Snooty foodie with extended pinkie at June 27, 2016 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

169 The Soviet bloc countries had elections after all. Your choices were for the candidate(s) the government wanted you to chose though, and no matter who you voted for it would have no affect on the policies the government actually implemented.

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As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the Soviet Politburo had a higher turnover rate than our Congress.

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 05:25 PM (7HtZB)

170 Over at ZeroHedge, there's this story:

"President of the European Union Parliament: "It is not the EU philosophy that the crowd can decides it's fate"

This kind of talk might be OK in Europe where they like Kings and Dictators, but not sure it will work here. Remember, our founding fathers wanted to get way from this exact sort of thing.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at June 27, 2016 05:25 PM (tvyXw)

171 "While I readily admit, there is an attraction to believing we're in dire times, that what is indeed, normal, is not normal, but I think that is not the case here. I think we are in for the storm. Indeed, we're already in it, we just aren't yet seeing the devastation."
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You don't get invited to a lot of parties, do you?

Posted by: pep at June 27, 2016 05:20 PM (LAe3v)

Neither did Jesus. What do you have against Jesus??

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 05:25 PM (TOk1P)

172 The EU will also ban electric toasters. Because ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (r1fLd)

173 This kind of talk might be OK in Europe where they like Kings and Dictators, but not sure it will work here. Remember, our founding fathers wanted to get way from this exact sort of thing.

So what happened?

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (O2RFr)

174 As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the Soviet Politburo had a higher turnover rate than our Congress.
Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 05:25 PM (7HtZB)

Well. Yes. But the manner of leaving was rather more final.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (mf5HN)

175 Sooooooo, lower wattage for longer time = more energy efficient?

Are we sure this isn't an Underpants Gnome scheme?
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (mf5HN)

Brought to you by the low flow toilet inventors who now require you to flush 4 times and use double the water to get rid of everything.

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (z/Ubi)

176 20 >> Let's see if France can find those Guillotines. It's been a long time
since they used them, but they have to be around there some place.

I could whip one of those up in a couple of days, max. A 2' x 2' sheet of 1/8" steel, a couple of 12' 4x4s, 25' of nylon rope, a couple of 2x6s, a few nuts and bolts and a laundry basket.

Some assembly required.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (gyKtp)

177 While this *might* represent a new beginning, it's just as likely that last throw of the dice for the older generations.

My money is on the latter. Its nice to see, but these people aren't opposed to big government socialism, just the kind they were being sold by a foreign body.

What I'm worried about is when they finally do reach the point where they run completely out of other peoples' money.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (39g3+)

178 I realize we're all suddenly supposed to join with the masses against the arrogant cosmopolitan elites when the masses do something we like. And it's fun, because those people are so full of their own importance and sure of how right they are.

But let's not forget that the masses also happily vote for a ton of socialist handout programs, and are overwhelmingly in favor of the proposition "give me free stuff at your expense, please." Any number of the stupidest Bernie Sanders proposals like "free" college or enormous minimum wage hikes would very easily pass with over 50% of the vote in a national referendum. So let's not pretend that the masses are suddenly geniuses or that we would have a better world if the pure will of the demos were expressed in all policy decisions.

Posted by: cjw at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (onydf)

179 When we had a functioning republic, that stupidity wasn't a problem.
***
Indeed. When Joe Smith, private citizen does does something different, others can look at the results and either emulate him or not.

When government bureaucrat instead forces a new rule using his office, those within the reach of his power have little choice whether his choice is good or bad.

So previously you had almost infinite and constant experimentation to find better ways to do things. Now you have high priests mandating changes on a whim and burning those at the stake who dare disagree.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (X7E8f)

180 There was an article in _Der Spiegel_ about how, thanks to ridiculous "green" mandates, electricity in Germany is becoming a luxury good. They used those words. The price for ordinary ratepayers has gone through the roof, and continues to rise.

How will they ever access the Internet?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (PrVhQ)

181 "It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for tea?"

Because.

The science is settled

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (ptqRm)

182 Just because I am xenophobic, it doesn't mean the Muzzies aren't out to kill me.

Commies too.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (1ijHg)

183 The War That Made Us Morally Superior to Boko Haram.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 27, 2016 05:24 PM (2cS/G)

A whiter shade of pale?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (TOk1P)

184 The EU will also ban electric toasters. Because ...

If they banned electric dildo's women would make the lives of men intolerable!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (zp+j1)

185
Thoughts?

Posted by: Barack Obama, President For Life

You really don't want to know.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (TMgNe)

186 Okay. It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for tea?

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:17 PM (mf5HN)

++++

Their issue is how much energy is wasted by a device. It is possible, and more expensive, to make a toaster that directs more of its heat to toasting and throws off less as wasted heat. But, the standard they use is not how does the toaster in question compare to an oven, but how does it compare to the most efficient toaster possible.

I have a automobile battery charger that is now banned in some states. The model I own will keep on charging the battery even when the battery is fully charged. It will just keep on going until I disconnect it. But, it is possible to make chargers with extra circuitry that will detect that the battery is fully charged and then shut off. Of course, they are more expensive, they won't work on a battery that has been fully discharged, and with the more complicated electronics, they are more likely to break down sooner.

My betters have decided that I should not be able to make the choice for myself if I would rather buy the cheaper, more reliable model that may cost me a few more pennies on my electric bill. In their wisdom, they have made the choice for me.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 27, 2016 05:28 PM (R+30W)

187 Hmm, I wonder where the yoots got the idea that BIG government is the best option? That's not something taught in screwels, is it?

Posted by: Hank at June 27, 2016 05:28 PM (/vqyz)

188 Well. Yes. But the manner of leaving was rather more final.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (mf5HN)

But cheaper.

Posted by: Lavrentiy Beria at June 27, 2016 05:28 PM (3ZoRf)

189 But customers simply said, "Now I have to vacuum twice as long!"

Classic.

Hiya!

Posted by: Low Flow Toilets Getting Flushed Three Times at June 27, 2016 05:28 PM (/ChCs)

190 The "leave" voters were of course the smart ones. The first countries to get out of the EU are going to be better off.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 27, 2016 05:04 PM (ODxAs)
Yet another instance of adverse selection. The elites are really getting a crash course in this concept.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (oKE6c)

191 It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual...
---------------------------
That's a start. Now try colder in winter, hotter in summer, and stuck recharging your car and you'll be good to go so to speak.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (NUqwG)

192 "How will they ever access the Internet?"

High speed internet uses a lot of energy.

Maybe there aught to be a EU standard for slow internet.

And no staying up more then two hours after sunset.
To reduce lighting requirements.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (ptqRm)

193 Most of the EU's decisions are driven by misguided ecological crap. They are trying to save us all from global warming and force people to live "green" no matter what it does to the people, the economy, or the actual products.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (39g3+)

194 As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the Soviet Politburo had a higher turnover rate than our Congress.
Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 05:25 PM (7HtZB)

Well. Yes. But the manner of leaving was rather more final.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (mf5HN)

Are we allowed to ask if that was a feature, not a bug?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (TOk1P)

195 For now. The young still favor ever-bigger government by wide margins.
While this *might* represent a new beginning, it's just as likely that
last throw of the dice for the older generations.
***
The same was true in the 30s of course. Let's hope it doesn't take quite the same route to wake up today's yutes...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (X7E8f)

196 157 78 What exactly makes one an "elite?"

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:08 PM (O2RFr)
=============================

Anyone who believes in technocratic government tempered only by judicial action. Preferably staffed by experienced bureaucrats with wide acquaintance among others of the same ilk, and believing mostly in gradual transnational rule.

---------

I would say you are an elite if you actually have some power to pull strings in that technocratic world.

If you work at the State Dept. or the EU HQ or in the Obama WH or for CNN, you are part of the elite. (It's a terrible elite, filled with mediocre aholes, but those are the ones with power.)

There are a lot of other aholes who think they are elite because they have a subscription to the NY Times and the WaPo and swallow all the lies the real elite feeds them. They're not. They're just pawns.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (u0lmX)

197 Brought to you by the low flow toilet inventors who now require you to flush 4 times and use double the water to get rid of everything.

How you doin'?

Posted by: Low Flow Toilets Getting Flushed Three Times at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (/ChCs)

198 "Yet another instance of adverse selection. The elites are really getting a crash course in this concept."

Also known as, "the last one to leave the restaurant gets the check."

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:30 PM (iIzG7)

199 This weekend I started binge watching "Indian Summers" on Amazon. It is interesting that a generally competent and honest civil service that generally had the best interests of the Indian population in mind was some how not loved and appreciated by the population of India merely because they were completely unaccountable to the Indians and because they viewed the Indians as inferior and held them in utter contempt.

Of course this is just an historical costume drama set in India in the 20th century that has absolutely no relationship to anything happening today either in Europe or the United States.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 27, 2016 05:31 PM (QHgTq)

200 Here's a story... My Lib Sister has moved back locally from Palm Springs for the summers...Was shopping with Her today and when We saw homeless people She said" We sure do have a lot more Homeless then when I was here years ago. "Maybe we're giving away too much stuff"... I nearly chocked... I said Yup... See, She doesn't want to see the icky people...Even though it's the bread and butter of her idols Hillary! and Barack...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:31 PM (O2RFr)

201 Well. Yes. But the manner of leaving was rather more final.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (mf5HN)

But cheaper.

Posted by: Lavrentiy Beria at June 27, 2016 05:28 PM (3ZoRf)

Hey you, come on over here. I have a "retirement" pin I'd like to stick you with.

Posted by: N. Krushchev at June 27, 2016 05:31 PM (TOk1P)

202 Can someone point out where exactly
'Republican Hate Kills'
where did that happen exactly?

???

Posted by: Yo! at June 27, 2016 05:32 PM (GwIKd)

203 My betters have decided that I should not be able to make the choice for myself if I would rather buy the cheaper, more reliable model that may cost me a few more pennies on my electric bill. In their wisdom, they have made the choice for me.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 27, 2016 05:28 PM (R+30W)

Ohhhhhhh.

So this is the new gas can thingy applied to kettles.

Got it.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:32 PM (mf5HN)

204 But let's not forget that the masses also happily vote for a ton of
socialist handout programs, and are overwhelmingly in favor of the
proposition "give me free stuff at your expense, please."
***
Interestingly the problem here is primarily the ability of the government to manipulate debt.

If instead the cost of new government programs was instantly passed on in taxes, you'd see few people favor them...

Yes, you can structure the cost to one group and the benefit to another - but when they are direct costs the out group figures out how to change their behavior quickly stopping the theft that the favored group wants.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (X7E8f)

205 Don't forget that the US has banned incandescent light bulbs.

Because of Gaia, and General Electric.

But mostly General Electric.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (r1fLd)

206 Think vacuums are bad, they have regulations on the shape of banana and cucumber.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (B3Tgj)

207
Can someone point out where exactly
'Republican Hate Kills'
where did that happen exactly?
???
Posted by: Yo!

Saddam's Republican Guards?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (IqV8l)

208 This weekend I started binge watching "Indian Summers" on Amazon. It is interesting that a generally competent and honest civil service that generally had the best interests of the Indian population in mind was some how not loved and appreciated by the population of India merely because they were completely unaccountable to the Indians and because they viewed the Indians as inferior and held them in utter contempt.

Of course this is just an historical costume drama set in India in the 20th century that has absolutely no relationship to anything happening today either in Europe or the United States.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 27, 2016 05:31 PM (QHgTq)

"This is known as bad luck."

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (mf5HN)

209 The Eeee-Yewww has it all figgered out.

They're making everything energy-efficient to compensate for the millions of new energy consumers they're letting in every year.

Posted by: Hank at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (/vqyz)

210 This weekend I started binge watching "Indian Summers" on Amazon. It is interesting that a generally competent and honest civil service that generally had the best interests of the Indian population in mind was some how not loved and appreciated by the population of India merely because they were completely unaccountable to the Indians and because they viewed the Indians as inferior and held them in utter contempt.

Same here. Awesome show. Supposed to be four more seasons covering 1932 -1947

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 05:34 PM (PrVhQ)

211 Landru save us!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 05:34 PM (evdj2)

212 Ohhhhhhh.

So this is the new gas can thingy applied to kettles.

Got it.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:32 PM (mf5HN)

You mean the piece of shit red container that I overflow my lawnmower with every time with almost as much gas as I put into it because I have to flip it upside down completely. God forbid I actually be allowed to use the joints of my arms to control the flow.

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2016 05:34 PM (z/Ubi)

213 I think I've discovered at least part of the problem here.

The "elites" on both sides of the Atlantic keep decrying the failures of democracy.

This is supposed to be a Republic, with a system of restraints built in to keep government and our fellow man out of our personal business.

Democracy is the basest form of government.
Three wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 27, 2016 05:34 PM (kKHcp)

214 What I'm worried about is when they finally do reach the point where they run completely out of other peoples' money.

They'll convince themselves "They" are holding out. Substitute appropriate group for "They", Jews are traditional, but there are others..."the bourgoisie" makes the rounds; in some places "the Chinese" get blamed, gotta love Asia; "the Igbo" got this a while back...

It's like I keep saying: Only the names ever really change.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:34 PM (9krrF)

215 Most of the EU's decisions are driven by misguided ecological crap. They are trying to save us all from global warming and force people to live "green" no matter what it does to the people, the economy, or the actual products.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:29 PM (39g3+)

The people here think "it's just about power." But as you clearly pointed out that's NOT the case. It's a religion. The Climate Change religion is the same religion that fights White Privilege.

Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (q177U)

216 TFG allowed as how he thinks he might grace the Private Equity business with his presence, post retirement from office. This is a man who has never worked in his life, and has no idea how markets function either. He's an exemplary politician so I assume he spouted out "Private Equity" because that's where his biggest donors work, and he assumes (probably correctly) they might love to give him hundreds of millions of dollars to attend a few cocktail parties at firm retreats in spectacular resorts where he'd like to play golf.

It's that assumption Obama is making that really grinds me. That, and the fact he's rightly judging his future partners.

Posted by: MTF at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (/m8T6)

217 "What do you have against Jesus??"

My girlfriend said he came on to her right after I walked out of the room to get another beer. Plus, he still owes me fifty bucks.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (noWW6)

218 So let's not pretend that the masses are suddenly geniuses or that we would have a better world if the pure will of the demos were expressed in all policy decisions.

Posted by: cjw at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (onydf)

Yeah. I'm not terribly comfortable with populism for that reason.

I'm not against the idea of elites. Our Founding Fathers were part of an elite in the very best sense of the word and they came up with a brilliant system of checks and balances.

The problem is that the modern day elites are mediocre fools who think they're not only smarter than us, they're smarter than the Founders. They think they can make socialism work, that they can change human nature. Our elites are dolts who believe themselves to be gods.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (u0lmX)

219 'Republican Hate Kills'

where did that happen exactly?
***
The left believes the mere thoughts can change reality.

By thinking salafists are violent we make them so. If we thought, or at least tried to think, that they follow a religion of peace, they would be peaceful.

Insane - but easy to understand, no?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (X7E8f)

220 The people here think "it's just about power." But as you clearly pointed out that's NOT the case. It's a religion. The Climate Change religion is the same religion that fights White Privilege.

Yes, and if You disagree the Democrats want to have You investigated..

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (O2RFr)

221 Yeah the Obamavilles started showing up in Salem around 2008. The local city street officials are frustrated because they spend more time cleaning up after bums than working on roads. But if you get your info from the news, you don't even know they exist.

You can see them as you drive around, but people pretend its not even real. All the local food banks ran out of food early in Obama's administration and have struggled to keep up since. But its racist to bring that up.

Until Trump wins by some impossibility. Then suddenly they'll be wall to wall news.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (39g3+)

222 Hey you, come on over here. I have a "retirement" pin I'd like to stick you with.
Posted by: N. Krushchev at June 27, 2016 05:31 PM (TOk1P)

A word, comrade?

Posted by: Alexei Kosygin at June 27, 2016 05:36 PM (3ZoRf)

223
What I'm worried about is when they finally do reach the point where they run completely out of other peoples' money.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:26 PM (39g3+)
As automation takes more and more jobs what do you expect these people to do? Starve while begging in front of gated communities? You live in an ideological glass house. The ideal of course would be to have a shrinking population, to match the shrinking jobs market, but you believe in a high rate of immigration. Nothing you believe will work in the real world. Nothing.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 05:36 PM (uqqj+)

224 Best no-spill gas can out there

I use it, and love it.

http://tinyurl.com/hv7o9ed

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:36 PM (ptqRm)

225 Bowtied Mandarins

Posted by: wooga at June 27, 2016 05:36 PM (s87zP)

226
By thinking salafists are violent we make them so. If we thought, or at least tried to think, that they follow a religion of peace, they would be peaceful.

Insane - but easy to understand, no?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (X7E8f)

I think you hit it with the insane part.

Posted by: Moki at June 27, 2016 05:37 PM (ezHMO)

227 206 Think vacuums are bad, they have regulations on the shape of banana and cucumber.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 27, 2016 05:33 PM (B3Tgj)

Such a paradise.

Posted by: Huma at June 27, 2016 05:37 PM (3ZoRf)

228 A teakettle placed above a flaming Peugeot consumes no electricity at all as your tea is heated.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 27, 2016 05:37 PM (iIzG7)

229 I can't wait until that Tommy douche and his beer pong buddies are making my life decisions! What could go wrong?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 27, 2016 05:37 PM (oGQLL)

230 Progressivism is the belief that society should be ordered by an intellectual elite. A Progressive is one who imagines themselves a part of this elite.

No one ever voted to send themselves to the camps.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 05:37 PM (evdj2)

231 Neo nazis are not of the right Ann.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/237340/

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 05:37 PM (B48dK)

232 As automation takes more and more jobs what do you expect these people to do? Starve while begging in front of gated communities? You live in an ideological glass house. The ideal of course would be to have a shrinking population, to match the shrinking jobs market, but you believe in a high rate of immigration. Nothing you believe will work in the real world. Nothing.
Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 05:36 PM (uqqj+)

That makes their unswerving dedication to abortion at any time far more understandable.

Posted by: Moki at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (ezHMO)

233 The truth is democracy _can_ be dangerous and many of the founding fathers feared it after seeing the French Revolution in action. There once was more checks to democratic powers (because Senators weren't directly elected). I like the idea that there is a house or two that can't be directly elected.

Who wasn't discouraged in the public's opinion after seeing the reelection in 2008? "Low-information voter" is a catch-phrase.

I consider populism generally a bad idea.

But I was encouraged by the Brexit vote.

The most hilarious display of Democrat's idea of democracy was during their convention where the crowd booed God in a verbal vote, but it was ignored. Keep voting until you get the right answer.

Posted by: JT at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (yqvys)

234 119 People keep saying "they just want power." But clearly there is more to the story.
I think of it as kind of a racial civil war, primarily white people vs. themselves.
The "enlightened" white people seek to lead the other races in a war against their own kind.
Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 05:16 PM
------------------------------
The Charles Manson notion (?) --- set blacks (etc) against whites and, when most whites are defeated, a small group of them (CM himself!) will easily rule a presumably stupid and docile colored population.

Interesting to contemplate that Bernardine Dohrn, Mrs. Bill Ayers, thought Manson was groovy. Perhaps you aren't entirely off-base in your view.

However, it still comes down to a lust for POWER, doesn't it?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (T/5A0)

235 Okay. It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are
electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove
or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for
tea?///

A greenie Treehugger did the comparison between on the stove, electric kettle and a microwave. He shows his math and concludes the electric kettle is the most efficient.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/otqkfkj

Posted by: Willy J. at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (wfv0g)

236 When I am in another tab for some reason this thread looks as if it's titled "The 'Ettes Are Revolting", and while I don't blame them I wonder what we did this time.

I'm dim. I've thought the same thought four or five times.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (1xUj/)

237 Best no-spill gas can out there"

Is the one I've had for thirty years. Still works.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (C9pBZ)

238
This is the 21st century. A detcord necklace is equally quick and far more suitable for Youtube in the ISIS era.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2016 05:00 PM (o+SC1)

In fact, the ISIS savages HAVE done detcord necklace beheadings on video. WZ had a couple of posts about it last year, if memory serves.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (LuZz8)

239 "181
"It's possible that I'm being dimmer than usual here, but how are
electric kettles less energy efficient than having to heat up the stove
or, pardon me for the blasphemy I am about to utter, microwave water for
tea?"

Because.

The science is settled

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:27 PM (ptqRm)"

Oh, you ignorant wing nuts. The answer is not "Because." The answer is "Because shut up."

Golly. I don't know how we are ever going to teach you any science. Reeducation camps may not work. We might just have to go directly to the Khmer Rouge solution.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 27, 2016 05:39 PM (QHgTq)

240 It's O/T
but, guess who has donated $87,000.00 to the Orlando shooters family..

Go ahead, guess.

http://wp.me/p5KU6p-KaR

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:39 PM (ptqRm)

241 Since Othrowslikeafagandhisshitisretarded got elected twice, my opinion of democracy has been kind of low.

If Trump beats Hillarity, prepare to hear the same shit. "Do Over! That one shouldn't count because of the knuckledraggers voted."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 27, 2016 05:39 PM (1ijHg)

242 Democrat propoganda is effective.

http://tinyurl.com/hrc7flg

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 05:39 PM (B48dK)

243 but, guess who has donated $87,000.00 to the Orlando shooters family..

CAIR?

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:39 PM (O2RFr)

244 So the EU wants to regulate toasters and kettles for energy efficiency, but it sees no problem with some of its members deciding that nuclear energy is "icky" and closing the nuclear power plants (looking at you, Angela). And those windmill thingies just aren't working as planned...

Idiots. Hooray for the Brits who voted to leave!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 27, 2016 05:39 PM (tbKrr)

245 Without looking: the Palestinian Authority?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 27, 2016 05:40 PM (1ijHg)

246 >>The people here think "it's just about power." But as you clearly pointed out that's NOT the case. It's a religion. The Climate Change religion is the same religion that fights White Privilege.

What do you think AGW is all about? Power. They have been using various environmental policies for decades to control us and it's never really about the environment, it's about power.

Maurice Strong, the godfather of the AGW movement who is finally experiencing room temperature, admitted as much years ago. More people should have listened to him then.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

247 237 Best no-spill gas can out there"

Is the one I've had for thirty years. Still works.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (C9pBZ)

Yes but being a new homeowner I don't have a the old jug with the vent hole on the back that I use with a funnel to fill the gas tank like I did at my parents to use.

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2016 05:40 PM (z/Ubi)

248 "Oh, you ignorant wing nuts. The answer is not "Because." The answer is "Because shut up."

It was Alex.

I was trying to be nice.

Sorry Alex.

Because....SHUT UP!!!

Better?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (ptqRm)

249 I just talked to a guy who has never seen "Idiocracy."

How are we to survive is people refuse to watch this documentary?

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (77emZ)

250 There is no such thing as "Radical Islam."

There is only Islam.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (1ijHg)

251 Yeah, I'm not so sure I am into pure democracy either.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (gmeXX)

252 When automation starts taking too many jobs they'll tax the robots as much as human workers. They'll make businesses buy Robotacare to pay for fixing them when they malfunction.

Posted by: Hank at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (/vqyz)

253 guess who has donated $87,000.00 to the Orlando shooters family..

***
Reminds me of how Hamas would do something similar for similar people doing similar things...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2016 05:42 PM (X7E8f)

254 Nobody decides to do the wrong thing. It's just
that between the information they have, the values they've been taught,
and how they've been brought up to think, they don't always recognize
the right or wrong choice. Some of this is on them...but so, so much no
longer is.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:06 PM (9krrF)
My point is that there IS no right or wrong choice (outside of the moral sphere). Dropping out of Harvard was right for a few people, some of whom I mentioned, and doubtless catastrophically wrong for a lot of others.

In 1902 Mt. Pelee on Martinique erupted. Everyone on the island was instantly broiled ... except a black man in an underground cell, who was to be hanged that day for murdering a white man, and who was the sole survivor. Now instead of for murder, say he'd been in the cell for doing something else stupid, e.g., burglary. Bad decision? Yep. The right choice? As luck would have it, in this case, yes. Even though he didn't know it at the time, as it was unforeseeable.
There's a difference between a good/bad decision, and a right/wrong (right/wrong not in the moral sense, but in the sense of how things worked out) decision.
A good decision is one you'd make again, despite the outcome this time, if confronted with the same facts, and conversely.
A right decision is one you're glad you made at the time, and conversely.So you step out of your front door and get hit by lightning. Wrong decision? You bet. A bad decision? Nope.You decide to tinker with the TV antenna on your roof during a lightning storm, and successfully improve your reception without incident. Bad decision? You bet. A good decision? Nope.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 05:42 PM (oKE6c)

255
You can see them as you drive around, but people pretend its not even real. All the local food banks ran out of food early in Obama's administration and have struggled to keep up since. But its racist to bring that up.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:35 PM (39g3+)

They don't want to admit that the decrease in donations and the increase in patronage of food banks has the exact same cause-the in-the-toilet economy that was the result of the current administration and the previous democrat congress, with help from RINOS like McCain and Graham. But you hear about it if you go to a church that has an empty food pantry, and has to shut down operation because the members don't have the spare money to give to keep it going.

Posted by: Moki at June 27, 2016 05:42 PM (ezHMO)

256 "I just talked to a guy who has never seen "Idiocracy."

How are we to survive is people refuse to watch this documentary? "

I find that I show the opening introduction about once every two weeks to a new person who has never seen it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:43 PM (ptqRm)

257 That makes their unswerving dedication to abortion at any time far more understandable.

Posted by: Moki at June 27, 2016 05:38 PM (ezHMO)

That's not even necessary. If you gentrify enough people simply quit having kids. The West, generally was getting it right. Fewer jobs and fewer kids, but then someone realized they could control the cost of labor with floods of immigrants, and since they didn't have to live with them, it was all good.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 05:43 PM (uqqj+)

258 What do you think AGW is all about? Power. They have
been using various environmental policies for decades to control us and
it's never really about the environment, it's about power.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 05:40 PM (/tuJf)
There's only one way to fight AGW: have the government control every aspect of the economy. The same thing the Marxists have been agitating for since 1848.
Oh. OK.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (oKE6c)

259 In the longbow/ crossbow controversy a North Philadelphia man chose crossbow to kill his wife.

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (d9qXV)

260 Hey, that Hillary! book comes out tomorrow...This should be good.....Watching the MSM falling all over themselves trying to dispute it...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (O2RFr)

261 "Republican Hate Kills", is a parade banner about three lanes of traffic wide, and about four ft. high, with letters of about 3 ft. high, on the aforementioned, rainbow (horizontally striped), parade banner.

Which was carried prominently in this past weekends' NYC "Pride" parade, as a statement of protest against the "Republican Hate" which the carriers of said parade banner allege was responsible for the deaths of 49 gay party-goers in the Orlando Pulse Club act of Islamic, Hillary Supporter Muslim Jihadi Terror.

Bing search will find the photos.

These folks would have volunteered to as guards in a Nazi gay concentration camp. They're that fvked up in the thinking department, for sure.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (v5iqM)

262 Pure democracy is bad. But so is removing accountability to unelected bureaucrats as the elites (to use that term) have been doing for decades. In the US it is even worse, as popular will is being overturned by the Court (see today's abortion decision).

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (gmeXX)

263 256 "I just talked to a guy who has never seen "Idiocracy."
How are we to survive is people refuse to watch this documentary? "
I find that I show the opening introduction about once every two weeks to a new person who has never seen it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:43 PM (ptqRm)

Should be required viewing in high school classrooms.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (oKE6c)

264 "C'est Martinique..."

Posted by: Louis Jordan at June 27, 2016 05:45 PM (1ijHg)

265 I just hope I have the "privilege" of taking out a few of them when the time comes.

Hillary for Prison 2016!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 27, 2016 05:45 PM (ej1L0)

266 "they'll tax the robots as much as human workers."

Screw them. What did they ever do for me?

Posted by: Bender at June 27, 2016 05:45 PM (LAe3v)

267 251 Yeah, I'm not so sure I am into pure democracy either.
Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (gmeXX)

That's why the Framers, bless them, created a constitutional republic.

If you want to see pure democracy on display, look no further than California.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2016 05:45 PM (p4UlV)

268 So. Would any of those elites be happy to let me run their lives?

Given your demonstrated footwear preferences I'm fairly sure there's a subset that would pay you to.

Posted by: DaveA at June 27, 2016 05:46 PM (8J/Te)

269 Speaking of revolting deletes, apparently the following greats will not be attending the Republican National Convention this year:

M. Romney, H Bush, W Bush, McCain, and L. Graham

Posted by: RioBravo at June 27, 2016 05:46 PM (NUqwG)

270 Better?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (ptqRm)

Oh it's fine.

I'm not upset at all.

Not in the least little tiniest bit.

Nope.

In COMPLETELY UNRELATED NEWS, I think it's time to test my newest flamethrower. If only I had a target. . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 05:46 PM (mf5HN)

271 Oh, and now the burger wars have gone too far, as Ronald McDonald gets shot outside a Sonic:

http://tinyurl.com/zhspn3y

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:47 PM (9krrF)

272 It's like they're stupid, made a bad deal, and now it's going against them.

Posted by: DaveA at June 27, 2016 05:47 PM (8J/Te)

273 251 Yeah, I'm not so sure I am into pure democracy either.
Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 05:41 PM (gmeXX)

That's why the Framers, bless them, created a constitutional republic.

If you want to see pure democracy on display, look no further than California.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2016 05:45 PM (p4UlV)

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They were truly revolutionary geniuses.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 05:47 PM (gmeXX)

274 "I just talked to a guy who has never seen "Idiocracy."
How are we to survive is people refuse to watch this documentary? "
I find that I show the opening introduction about once every two weeks to a new person who has never seen it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:43 PM (ptqRm)

Should be required viewing in high school classrooms.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 05:44 PM (oKE6c)

I am afraid we have past the point of no return

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 05:47 PM (zp+j1)

275 The BALLS on these people...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/237342/

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 05:47 PM (B48dK)

276 >>TFG allowed as how he thinks he might grace the Private Equity business with his presence, post retirement from office.

Huh. Just last week he was saying he wanted to own an NBA team.
Just last month he announced he would stay in DC and remain involved in politics.

How about he retire in Cuba?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2016 05:47 PM (NOIQH)

277 Pure democracy is bad. But so is removing accountability to unelected bureaucrats as the elites (to use that term) have been doing for decades.

Oh, I'm in favor of accountability. The old style.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 05:48 PM (9krrF)

278 I've been also thinking that for the most part, we have all been brainwashed.

Well, except for the Morons that break free into independent thought and analysis.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 27, 2016 05:48 PM (1ijHg)

279

The "Elites" Are Revolting

In related news ... Serfs up ... duuuuuuuuuuude ...

Posted by: Arbalest at June 27, 2016 05:48 PM (FlRtG)

280 Progressivism is the belief that society should be ordered by an intellectual elite. A Progressive is one who imagines themselves a part of this elite.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value

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Venezuela. Elites running every freaking thing always works out so well, doesn't it? ;-) And yet the media ignores what is going on down there.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 27, 2016 05:48 PM (tbKrr)

281 The BALLS on these people...

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You say Balls, I say smart negotiating. Why wouldn't the federal union ask for this?

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (gmeXX)

282 The political leaders of the Liberal Cosmopolitan Elite (LCE) delegated one job and one job only to the MSM - to mold political opinion so LCE political rule might continue.

With the Brexit vote, the current MSM failed to carry out their mission. No wonder that the major media outlets are outraged at the voters/viewers/readers/listeners. Good grief, they seem to be saying, are you rubes not content with the quality of our bread and circuses?

Perhaps it's past time to fire this bunch and hire a new MSM, with better quality propaganda.

Posted by: mrp at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (JBggj)

283 Maurice Strong, the godfather of the AGW movement who is finally experiencing room temperature, admitted as much years ago. More people should have listened to him then.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

We are going to have to agree to disagree. Why do they want power? Not merely for its own sake, but by a deep and abiding belief that humanity is evil, and must be controlled.

Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (q177U)

284 WaPo and the NYT agree.

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (zOTsN)

285 @34: "The people of the world are telling them "YOU'RE FIRED""

Over your dead bodies!

Posted by: The Global Elite at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (rznWS)

286 I am with the morons who think that we need to come up with another term other than 'elite' to describe these wankers. How about wankers? Wee Willy Wankers?

Anyhoo, Madame Clinton tweeted the following out:
Our first task has to be to make sure that the economic uncertainty created by these events does not hurt working families

She has a hard time navigating up the steps safely to her plane and she is going to protect GB 's working families??? Those scotch and sodas are beginning to show.

Posted by: Cheri at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (oiNtH)

287 Le NOOD

It has arrived

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (ptqRm)

288 Human nature has not changed at all since 1776....

Posted by: Yo! at June 27, 2016 05:50 PM (GwIKd)

289 >>There's only one way to fight AGW: have the government control every aspect of the economy. The same thing the Marxists have been agitating for since 1848.
Oh. OK.

Yup. The most irritating thing to me about the AGW scam is that the people who invented it freely admit it was a made up crisis being used to implement their socialist agenda. And yet there are millions and millions of people around the world who look at you as if you are a lunatic if you point this out to them.

Because elites like Al fucking Gore says its true.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 05:51 PM (/tuJf)

290 Nothing you believe will work in the real world. Nothing.

I assume that you're using "you" in a general sense here.

There's only one way to fight AGW: have the government control every aspect of the economy. The same thing the Marxists have been agitating for since 1848.

Total coincidence!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:51 PM (39g3+)

291 Napoleon or Kahn or Mao didn't care one whit about the morality of the people, their goodness of evilness. They had an abiding belief in their own perfection. And so does the elite

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 05:51 PM (zOTsN)

292
This whole revolt thing by the elitists is the very reason they want unchecked immigration; a more pliable and manageable people. They think.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 27, 2016 05:51 PM (ODxAs)

293 @43: "People are supposed to be able to vote the bastards out. People are
supposed to be able to have a meaningful say on the local level."

Actually, there's an Amendment that was designed to be really, really, really germane to that point. It's right up near the front of the list, too.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson & The Founding Fathers at June 27, 2016 05:52 PM (rznWS)

294 272 It's like they're stupid, made a bad deal, and now it's going against them.

This too, is the story of Obama.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 05:53 PM (PrVhQ)

295 The transnationalist cosmopolitans of both the left and right have tapped their Inner John Olivers and they're ready to shove aside the consent of the governed and just rule by fiat.

They gonna skin those smoke wagons or just whistle Dixie?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
****

An excellent quote and black powder pistol ref.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 27, 2016 05:53 PM (jtStN)

296 TFG allowed as how he thinks he might grace the Private Equity business with his presence, post retirement from office.
Huh. Just last week he was saying he wanted to own an NBA team.
Just last month he announced he would stay in DC and remain involved in politics.
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Trolling for the highest bidder. He is a lazy ideologue so capitalism is a poor fit. The first announcement is probably most correct.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 27, 2016 05:55 PM (tbKrr)

297 After the Brexit vote:

'Elites' = Loki
'the masses' = Hulk

puny god

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at June 27, 2016 06:03 PM (3Mimg)

298 I could whip one of those up in a couple of days,

Why bother, apparently the FBI has already lost track of dozens of ISIS sub-contractors already here.

Posted by: DaveA at June 27, 2016 06:03 PM (8J/Te)

299 We are going to have to agree to disagree. Why do
they want power? Not merely for its own sake, but by a deep and abiding
belief that humanity is evil, and must be controlled.

Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 05:49 PM (q177U)
Have to disagree. Hard-core Marxists believe fervently in the perfectibility of Man, whom they consider to evince evil only because of upbringing in a capitalist society. New Socialist Man will be brimming with the milk of human kindness and compassion. So, basically, a "no true Scotsman" answer.In socialist theory, the control part comes in in order to effect the transition to Heaven on Earth.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 06:04 PM (oKE6c)

300 34 They fuck things up and shield themselves from the consequences. The people of the world are telling them "YOU'RE FIRED"

Posted by: kbdabear at June 27, 2016 04:57 PM (JHLkD)

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Trump, anyone?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 27, 2016 06:04 PM (i6shs)

301 @119: "I think of it as kind of a racial civil war, primarily white people vs. themselves.

The "enlightened" white people seek to lead the other races in a war against their own kind."

It's just Charles Manson's "Helter Skelter" writ large - that's all it's ever been. A small group of elite to rule over the brutish races that are too stupid to accomplish anything on their own.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 27, 2016 06:04 PM (rznWS)

302 Total coincidence!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2016 05:51 PM (39g3+)

No I meant specifically you. You're completely anti-socialism, and yet pro-immigration, but you fail to explain how we're going to employ all these people as automation, and offshoring takes more and more jobs, but you don't want to pay to keep them from starving either. What you believe is pure nonsense that won't survive the real world. It's nothing more than right wing echo chamber masturbation.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 27, 2016 06:05 PM (uqqj+)

303 224 Best no-spill gas can out there

I use it, and love it.

http://tinyurl.com/hv7o9ed
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 05:36 PM (ptqRm)

Dude, you're spending $24 on a freakin' 2-1/2 gallon GAS CAN! That's nucking futs!

Posted by: random lurker at June 27, 2016 06:05 PM (+tRIN)

304 Nothing you believe will work in the real world. Nothing.

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice.

In practice, there is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 06:05 PM (oKE6c)

305
Oh, they are getting down and dirty in Labour. Too much to cut and paste but the Momentum, a lefty group has sent out emails accusing MPs of being "bought out with Zionest money." LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 06:07 PM (iQIUe)

306 "Dude, you're spending $24 on a freakin' 2-1/2 gallon GAS CAN! That's nucking fits!"

Not really.

I use it frequently.
I find it works well.
It meets my needs nicely.

I am able to afford it.

Yes, there should be cheaper alternatives that work as well in all respects from construction to performance.

I haven't found any.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 06:08 PM (ptqRm)

307 Get off my high horse!

Posted by: President Barack Obama at June 27, 2016 06:11 PM (hKi6n)

308 @218: "Our Founding Fathers were part of an elite in the very best sense of the
word and they came up with a brilliant system of checks and balances."

Unfortunately, they left out the most critical part: the "or else" clause. When the checks and balances can be ignored/steamrollered without consequence, they don't really work very well.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 27, 2016 06:14 PM (rznWS)

309 Have a conversation with a wanker elitist and their condescension and arrogance if you disagree with them are something to behold. I try to avoid it as it seriously makes me want to throat punch them.

Posted by: Cheri at June 27, 2016 06:14 PM (oiNtH)

310 Oh, they are getting down and dirty in Labour. Too
much to cut and paste but the Momentum, a lefty group has sent out
emails accusing MPs of being "bought out with Zionest money." LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 06:07 PM (iQIUe)
What do Zionists have to do with this? They should have called their group "Inertia."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 27, 2016 06:17 PM (oKE6c)

311 Our founding fathers did not let non-landowners vote.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 27, 2016 06:23 PM (1ijHg)

312 Again?

Posted by: Pastorius at June 27, 2016 06:54 PM (gMAUH)

313 The UK economy is loving it so far.

Credit rating smashed, currency smashed, stock market smashed, etc

Posted by: Bobby brings it at June 27, 2016 08:22 PM (Ua7x/)

314 War is when the gubmint tells you who the enemy is.

Revolution is when YOU decide who's the enemy.

Posted by: G6loq at June 27, 2016 09:16 PM (zj+JZ)

315 The mask has slipped. Nonsense. There never was a mask put on. The actions of the so-called elites were always obvious. Never hidden. It's strange why it took Merkel's reckless immigration to make the tendency toward authoritarianism obvious it should have intolerable years before this.

Posted by: bour3 at June 27, 2016 11:18 PM (wA60M)

316 Interestingly the EU was after British toasters and tea pots as energy hogs that had to go....The vote, in a way, was against AGW

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 11:20 PM (Q1UO3)

317 #244 Good thing the Brits are on their own electrical grid or the EU would cut them off.

Posted by: torabora at June 28, 2016 01:00 AM (e1pHd)

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