Mike Flynn, RIP

Out of the blue, with no warning, my friend died yesterday.

At the end of the post, Larry O'Connor offers his tribute to Mike.

He was a really good guy. He leaves behind a wife and a combined family of his daughter and his wife's kids. May God guide them.

Educational Fund: "American Patriot Mike Flynn passed away June 23rd unexpectedly from a heart attack, leaving behind a wife and four children. Please consider a contribution to assist with education expenses for the children." Link to the GoFundMe page here.

Thanks to Y-Not for that.

[Update - Andy]: We had Mike Flynn on the podcast almost exactly a year ago. It's a great interview and gives a glimpse into what a great guy he was. Download | Stream from podcast site

Posted by: Ace at 03:55 PM

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1 God bless Mike and his family.

I've put a link to a GoFundMe set up for the kids' education expenses on the sidebar. 'Hope that's ok.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 03:57 PM (t5zYU)

2 Damn shame. I agree with TVOC

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 24, 2016 03:59 PM (89T5c)

3 God bless him, his family, and friends.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 03:59 PM (1ZOkK)

4 Godspeed to your friend Ace.

Posted by: IP at June 24, 2016 03:59 PM (Fol9S)

5 A big loss for conservatives.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2016 03:59 PM (mpXpK)

6

Heaven bound.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 24, 2016 03:59 PM (qCMvj)

7 I'm imagining his meeting up with Andrew, and the conversations they'll have.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:00 PM (1ZOkK)

8 Saw this.... so sad Prayers for His Family.....

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:00 PM (O2RFr)

9 Sad news.RIP Mike Flynn.

Posted by: steevy at June 24, 2016 04:00 PM (B48dK)

10

I'm so sorry Ace. Prayers for all who loved him

Posted by: ThunderB at June 24, 2016 04:00 PM (2XtqM)

11 Saw this this morning. Sorry Ace. My condolences.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:01 PM (/IMJl)

12 Saw this last night, condolences to you and all those he left behind. So sad.

Posted by: Doug at June 24, 2016 04:02 PM (fE9d/)

13 >>>God bless Mike and his family.

I've put a link to a GoFundMe set up for the kids' education expenses on the sidebar. 'Hope that's ok.

...

thank you... I will link that.

Posted by: acd at June 24, 2016 04:02 PM (dciA+)

14 Although I never met him, I exchanged a few messages with him over the past year during (and after) his Congressional run. His commitment to conservative principles and inherent goodness came through.

I was so impressed that a man with his writing talents took that extraordinary step of running for office. And I was pleased that he was going to represent us Cruz supporters at the convention.

We should all strive to be a difference-maker like Mike clearly was, while maintaining our humanity, in his case as a husband, father, and friend to many.

Rest in peace.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:02 PM (t5zYU)

15
Rest in Peace, Mr. Flynn.

Bless his family, unexpected deaths are always a great shock.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 24, 2016 04:02 PM (ODxAs)

16 One of the good guys. Not many of those left. You can count them on one hand. If you don't work in the oil fields.

Posted by: Eromero at June 24, 2016 04:03 PM (zLDYs)

17 Recquiscat in pace.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 24, 2016 04:03 PM (+wjl1)

18 Pretty scant on details. Some in the conservative movement seem to work themselves to death.

Acd will be around a long time.

/ jk

Posted by: Jiminy Cricket at June 24, 2016 04:04 PM (ZnIt3)

19 This fuckig sucks.

Condolences to his family and friends in their time of grief.

We need more like him and Breitbart.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 24, 2016 04:05 PM (ra1Al)

20 That's really sad.
Will pray for his widow & kids.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:06 PM (7lVbc)

21 I didn't know much about Mike Flynn, except for the time he was on the podcast. He seemed like a great guy.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 24, 2016 04:07 PM (KUaJL)

22 My condolences, Ace, to you, and to all his family and friends.

I will kick in to the fund for the children later this evening, when I have time to sit a spell at the keyboard.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2016 04:07 PM (GSdpU)

23 That was ace setting up the go find me right? acd was just a typo?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 24, 2016 04:08 PM (6Ll1u)

24 23 That was ace setting up the go find me right? acd was just a typo?

acd is ace.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:09 PM (1ZOkK)

25 We never know when our time on earth is over. He was loved, and still is. Although he's now on the other side of the veil, love lives on.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 24, 2016 04:09 PM (4p3Tz)

26 >>>18 Pretty scant on details. Some in the conservative movement seem to work themselves to death.

i don't know if it's "working themselves to death." Mike wasn't a super-hard worker (Just a bright one.) But there are bad lifestyle habits that come with being a writer or operative. Alcohol, smoking, not exercising much.

Though Mike was getting healthy. He kicked alcohol two years ago and was going to the gym several times a week. He was still smoking, though.

I think stress too. I have a theory that things feel very stressful when the outcome is important to you but you don't really have much influence over the outcome. I think that's why all political people (all of us) can get so crabby and snappy at times. Things matter, and yet, what can we do about them? Not much. Thus the stress.

It would be different if we were bricklayers. You could see the direct fruits of your efforts going up layer by layer.

Life is very short.

Posted by: acd at June 24, 2016 04:09 PM (dciA+)

27 So very sad when someone is gone so suddenly and at such a young age. Prayers for you, Ace, Mike's family, and all who loved him, that they will find peace and comfort.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 24, 2016 04:09 PM (Lsu4e)

28 23 That was ace setting up the go find me right? acd was just a typo?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 24, 2016 04:08 PM (6Ll1u)

It's ace. You can typo a name. Can't typo a hash.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 24, 2016 04:09 PM (KUaJL)

29 Don't really know much about him. What I do know was from Ace. I know he was a friend of yours and a friend of the conservative movement. More importantly he was a husband and father.

Posted by: SH at June 24, 2016 04:10 PM (gmeXX)

30 May perpetual light shine upon him.

What a loss.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 24, 2016 04:10 PM (T/5A0)

31 Attended the funeral last month of a vibrant 32 y.o. young man.

Yes, life is too short.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:11 PM (1ZOkK)

32 Terrible news.
A fine, good man. Far too young.

Posted by: wooga at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (OZNRP)

33 Recently I was talking with Mike about maybe running for Congress again (after the RINO they elected proves his RINO stripes) and I was busting on his balls for being so damn professorial in the debates. I told him "Hey, maybe not mention you fucking watch soccer and listen to jazz and classical music next time, dummy."

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (dciA+)

34 This might be a good time to remember all of the horde to take care of yourselves and get a check up.

Mr Y-not had an employee go in for a routine physical only to find out he had major blockage requiring immediate hospitalization and surgery. There are no guarantees in life, but usually we can do some things to keep our sands from running out.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (t5zYU)

35 Moron grammar

Ace
Acd
Half Ast

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (Nwg0u)

36 I'm sorry you lost your friend ace. My condolences to you and to his other friends and family.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (0mRoj)

37 This is one of the great mysteries of life, why we lose the good ones.

I suppose God feels they've earned a rest and peace.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:13 PM (1ZOkK)

38 @34
To remind, not remember!

I hear that cut.jib.newsletter blog has an edit function.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:13 PM (t5zYU)

39 I think stress too.

--

I think stress is a big culprit too.

There was an exec where I used to work (big fortune 500 financial company) - complete health nut, very fit. Dropped dead of a heart attack on his daily run one morning.

If you are genetically susceptible, your ticker is a ticking time bomb.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:13 PM (7lVbc)

40 acd = visually impaired Ace.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 24, 2016 04:13 PM (Lsu4e)

41 My condolences to you on your lost of a friend and to his family.

Posted by: Jollyroger...TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:14 PM (t06LC)

42 Condolences, Ace.

The Indonesian expression of condolence translates more or less to "I join with you in your grieving."

There's not a non-clumsy way to express the same thought in English. But we're saddened along with you, Ace, and his family.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 24, 2016 04:14 PM (FnuZG)

43 I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, ace. What you say in regards to being passionate about something over which you have little control rings true. I'm glad he had a loving family to go home to at night. They must be numb.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:14 PM (dFi94)

44
Mr Y-not had an employee go in for a routine physical only to find out he had major blockage requiring immediate hospitalization and surgery. There are no guarantees in life, but usually we can do some things to keep our sands from running out.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (t5zYU)

Several years ago, my husband went for a physical prior to a Scout camping trip.

He had 90% blockage in one of his arteries. As the doctor said, "You would have returned home in a box." It shocked me so badly, seeing the blockage, that I wept.

Came so close to losing him.

A 55 y.o. friend wasn't so lucky. Went in for the cath and died on the table.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:15 PM (1ZOkK)

45 Curious how avid of a runner was Mike Flynn? People can over do it with endurance type sports whether they train for competition, do it for fun, health physical or mental. Overtraining about did me in and when you've had otherwise healthy people drop dead close to you from apnea due to overtraining, it's quite a shock.

Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:15 PM (wnwJC)

46 Condolences.

While there are lots of people complaining about things, he was one of those who actually got up and made an effort.

Posted by: davidt at June 24, 2016 04:16 PM (XVTvT)

47 "American Patriot Mike Flynn passed away June 23rd unexpectedly from a heart attack"

Such a loss to family and country.

Get your ticker checked over by someone who knows what they're doing.

Even if you feel otherwise fine. In a distressingly high percentage of cases, the initial presenting symptom of heart disease is a lethal event.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2016 04:16 PM (noWW6)

48 In our most trying times, it's a tragedy to lose people who are our best and fiercest fighters, when we have barely begun the fight in earnest.

May the Lord bless and keep him. May He send comfort to family and friends.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:16 PM (p4UlV)

49 When I go, I hope it's quick. Don't need some long drawn out bullshit. Prayers for Mike and his family.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 24, 2016 04:17 PM (6Ll1u)

50 RIP

I'm getting a little tired of the good people leaving us and the tyrants hanging on and ruining life the rest of us.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 24, 2016 04:18 PM (O0lVq)

51 Flynn was a man dedicated to truth in a time where lies are the norm. May He who holds all Truth take him into his presence.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:18 PM (9krrF)

52 @50
Only the good die young.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:18 PM (t5zYU)

53 Condolences, Ace and may his family find peace. I've experienced a couple of sudden loss of friends my age here recently and can understand the difficulty in accepting the reality of it.

Time will support the good memories. Continuing to speak out and bring the conservative point of view will honor Mike's legacy.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 24, 2016 04:18 PM (ar1r/)

54 >>> In a distressingly high percentage of cases, the initial presenting symptom of heart disease is a lethal event.

This can't be said enough.. Best friend said he felt "off his game" 24 hours later, heart attack, bypass, and immediate retirement after 31 years in the Army.

Posted by: IP at June 24, 2016 04:18 PM (Fol9S)

55 From what information I've seen recently from the British health service, men over 50 should consider the 'blue pill' for another reason beside the obvious - heart protection.

I know, as a health nut, I can enjoy marital 'relations', run the trash a couple hundred feet to the curb, cook dinner, run for the phone, then slip a heart monitor on my wrist to check BP. 90/70 and even lower. Most 'other' times I'm 120/80 and higher.

There's something there. It's worth looking into.

Especially if you're in a rat race lifestyle.

Posted by: Jiminy Cricket at June 24, 2016 04:19 PM (ZnIt3)

56 My Niece lost Her niece last week to a motorcycle accident... She was only 23 and Has a 6 month old Daughter... Husband was driving... My Niece and her Husband were in Europe on a 3 week vacation that they cut short to come home..

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:19 PM (O2RFr)

57 While there are lots of people complaining about things, he was one of those who actually got up and made an effort.

Word. The fines tribute to such men and women is to pick up the banner and carry on in their stead.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:19 PM (9krrF)

58 >>34 This might be a good time to remember all of the horde to take care of yourselves and get a check up.

Mr Y-not had an employee go in for a routine physical only to find out he had major blockage requiring immediate hospitalization and surgery. There are no guarantees in life, but usually we can do some things to keep our sands from running out.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:12 PM (t5zYU)

...

yeah i'm super-naggy about health issues lately.
Good advice.

I had a health scare last year. I don't know if I told you guys that. I thought I had a heart problem, and then, when a liver panel test came back wonky, I thought I might have cancer.

It turns out I was fine on both counts. but, you know, it gets you thinking, how short life is.

I remember when the cancer test came back negative. I prayed to God after it, and vowed, "Thanks for the wake-up call -- I won't waste any more of these precious momets You've given me."

But then 20 minutes later I was sitting on the couch wasting time on Twitter.

Anyway, while I didn't keep that vow, I do occasionally observe it. I am trying to live a better life now.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM (dciA+)

59 My condolences, ace.

Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM (zoehZ)

60 "men over 50 should consider the 'blue pill' for another reason beside the obvious - heart protection"

All right, but I'm NOT cooking him a steak, too! ;-D

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM (t5zYU)

61 How exactly does one get one's heart checked out?

Do you need an EKG / ECG?

When I go in for a physical my primary care doc takes my bp and listens to my heart & breathing. That's it.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM (7lVbc)

62 45 Curious how avid of a runner was Mike Flynn? People can over do it with endurance type sports whether they train for competition, do it for fun, health physical or mental.
Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:15 PM (wnwJC)

There's a lot of evidence that that kind of exercise isn't very good for one's health.

Whatever Mike's cause of death, he was way too good a man to die so young.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:21 PM (ozZau)

63 So sorry for the loss of Mike.
It's OK to take a 80mg aspirin once a day if you are over 40.
These sometimes are called baby aspirin.

Posted by: navybrat at June 24, 2016 04:21 PM (nuccF)

64 People can over do it with endurance type sports

For instance Douglas Adams. But it was less that he overdid it and more that he was doing the exercises which he'd always done, but didn't know the blockages were creeping up on him.

Posted by: robert mugabe at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (5bz7Q)

65 >>Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM

Giving up the cigarettes was so important. Very glad you were able to leave those behind.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (t5zYU)

66 From what information I've seen recently from the British health service, men over 50 should consider the 'blue pill' for another reason beside the obvious - heart protection.

This was actually its original intended purpose when it was first developed--a rare case of a side effect becoming more important than the intended result...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (9krrF)

67 Now I've got "If Tomorrow Never Comes" (Garth Brooks) in my head.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (dFi94)

68 My condolences, Ace.

Posted by: willy at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (Ffw22)

69 >>>61 How exactly does one get one's heart checked out?

Do you need an EKG / ECG?

When I go in for a physical my primary care doc takes my bp and listens to my heart & breathing. That's it.

...

well they can do a two minute EKG but I never understand how they expect to find anything with such a short test. I think that can only find things that are always present, like a heart murmur or something.

then you can do the stress EKG (on the treadmill) or the continuous EKG (they stick a monitor on you for a week or two).

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (dciA+)

70 I had a health scare last fall. Chest pains and thought I was having a heart issue.

Husband took me to the ER and my blood pressure was off the chart. They rushed me into an exam room, and it turned out not to be my heart.

Doctor said "stress." I quit one of my committees, and I've recently been nagged back into it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (1ZOkK)

71 /off sock of immortal douchebag

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 24, 2016 04:23 PM (5bz7Q)

72 >> Curious how avid of a runner was Mike Flynn? People can over do it with endurance type sports whether they train for competition, do it for fun, health physical or mental.
Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:15 PM (wnwJC)

i don't think he was running. I think he was doing some swimming plus some other gym work. Not sure what kind. I don't think it was lifting. Maybe some stationary bike or something.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:24 PM (dciA+)

73 How exactly does one get one's heart checked out?

Do you need an EKG / ECG?

When I go in for a physical my primary care doc takes my bp and listens to my heart & breathing. That's it.

Make an appointment with a cardiologist. They'll do EKG and ECG, do an echo, probably blood tests as well. This is something you want a specialist for, and a good one. (Why yes, I have been going through this with pater familias of late...)

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:24 PM (9krrF)

74 then you can do the stress EKG (on the treadmill) or the continuous EKG (they stick a monitor on you for a week or two).

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (dciA+)

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I did the treadmill test once, several years ago. My body is outta shape but my heart was okay

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:24 PM (7lVbc)

75 Really sorry to hear that ace my man.

Posted by: eleven at June 24, 2016 04:24 PM (qUNWi)

76 Dammit, we keep losing eloquence on the Conservative side; Creighton, Andrew, Scalia, now Flynn.

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2016 04:25 PM (Doh4+)

77 Doctor said "stress." I quit one of my committees, and I've recently been nagged back into it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (1ZOkK)

NOOOOO!!! Don't do it! It's not worth your health, seriously.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:26 PM (0mRoj)

78 Make an appointment with a cardiologist. They'll do EKG and ECG, do an echo, probably blood tests as well. This is something you want a specialist for, and a good one. (Why yes, I have been going through this with pater familias of late...)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:24 PM (9krrF)

Thanks BC. I'll keep that in mind for my hubby the health nit.
He went to a cardiologist a couple of years ago too - was ok.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:26 PM (7lVbc)

79 I go to my late mom's cardiologist. I've had a heart murmur for years, but it hasn't gotten worse.

So there's that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:26 PM (1ZOkK)

80 >>>I had a health scare last fall. Chest pains and thought I was having a heart issue.

I had chest pains and my doctors kept kind of going, "Well, you know, it's probably nothing important."

I kept going, "*Probably*? Aren't you the ones who should be doing better than 'probably'?"

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:26 PM (dciA+)

81 May he rest in the heavenly arms of our Lord. And may his family find peace and support in their time of need.

Posted by: IC at June 24, 2016 04:26 PM (a0IVu)

82 then you can do the stress EKG (on the treadmill)
===================================

I had that done a couple of summers ago before surgery. It's scary when the tech says, "Crap-call the cardiologist!" It was just a bad wire or something.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:27 PM (dFi94)

83 Jane, yeah, stay off that committee if it stresses you out so much.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (7lVbc)

84 I'm so sorry, ace.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (pr5+C)

85 Jane, I took a visit to the ER last year thinking I was having a heart attack... Did all kinds of tests... Turns out I suffer from anxiety . Sure feels like the real thing... Scary stuff...

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (O2RFr)

86 When my father died of a heart attack it totally took me by surprise. My mom called and said he'd had a heart attack early in the morning. I yawned and said "OK" and got ready to visit him in the hospital. I didn't expect him to die, because generally, people live through a heart attack. It totally hit me out of left field, dead at 56.

My grandfathers on both side died of a heart attack, as did my grandmother on one side. I have it in my family, my older brother had one. Its part of the genetics, I suppose.

But sometimes they totally blindside you. I'm sorry Ace, that you lost your friend. God be with you in this difficult time, and with his family as well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3+)

87 Condolences to his family and Ace. Something about a friend passing hits you different than family, I don't know what it is but it seemed almost worse.

Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (wnwJC)

88 Losing friends in their prime is always a devastating thing. It's a familiar pain to me, and you have my condolences. This wonderful, terrible thing we call life often deals a bad hand, both to the newly departed and those who remain. Why this happens is beyond any mortal comprehension. You can take comfort, though. We will see them again, we will all meet again under the light of heaven, and there will be tears, but only tears of joy.

Stay strong, my friends, and keep his family in our prayers.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party, TEXIT! at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (HalrA)

89 I kept going, "*Probably*? Aren't you the ones who should be doing better than 'probably'?"

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:26 PM (dciA+)

Yeah, that's when you find another doc. My cardiologist is great, and we knew him as a friend, and good guy, before he became my mother's, and now my, doc.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (1ZOkK)

90 I've had chest pains twice that were serious. 2010 and then again this year. The ticker was fine both times.

After the 2010 episode I moved to Colorado. After this one's I quit drinking (well, except O'Douls, I get through a lot of that).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (5bz7Q)

91 I go to my late mom's cardiologist. I've had a heart murmur for years, but it hasn't gotten worse.

Keep an eye on that. Dad had a minor arrhythmia for years, but now since the UTI he had a while back, things have escalated. There are a number of things which can aggravate an existing condition like that. It's not something to slack off on.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (9krrF)

92
The little spikes and peaks on an EKG printout are suppose to have a specific length and ratio, etc. Also, if you had minor heart attacks before that went unnoticed and damaged the muscle, it would interfere with the electrical reading and show up on the print out.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2016 04:29 PM (iQIUe)

93 58 Anyway, while I didn't keep that vow, I do occasionally observe it. I am trying to live a better life now.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM (dciA+)

Ace, G-d bless you, buddy. This website has kept me sane, informed and even insane for about 10 years now. You may not know it, but what you do is vital and necessary.

Go out and have a burger, beer and some hot sex. Life is for the living.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:29 PM (p4UlV)

94 Turns out I suffer from anxiety . Sure feels like the real thing... Scary stuff...

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (O2RFr)
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I get panic attacks. It absolutely feels like you're having a heart attack.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:29 PM (dFi94)

95 I tried that damn treadmill. I'm not in great shape and have CFS to start with, but I was a trooper, trying to make it work. Then they inclined the stupid thing and sped it up, and I couldn't run for more than a dozen seconds before my legs gave out. The doctor looked like he was disappointed in me but dang, I'm not in shape to run up a hill. There's a reason I don't do that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2016 04:29 PM (39g3+)

96 And condolences to you, ace. Please take care of your health.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 24, 2016 04:29 PM (5bz7Q)

97 Something about a friend passing hits you different than family, I don't know what it is but it seemed almost worse.

You pick your friends?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:30 PM (/IMJl)

98 I get panic attacks. It absolutely feels like you're having a heart attack.

Got that too...

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:30 PM (O2RFr)

99 61 How exactly does one get one's heart checked out?

Do you need an EKG / ECG?

When I go in for a physical my primary care doc takes my bp and listens to my heart & breathing. That's it.
Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:20 PM (7lVbc)

I dunno, but I think our doc bases it on all the risk factors, like family history, smoking etc. He does a basic ECG on me, but he makes my husband do the treadmill version.

Another angle: About 8 years ago, a kid who had recently graduated from my son's high school died in his sleep from a heart problem. His heartbroken parents started a screening program for high school kids, and sure enough, my adorable 14 year old niece turned out to have a hole in her heart. She underwent major open heart surgery last summer and is fine.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:30 PM (ozZau)

100 85 Jane, I took a visit to the ER last year thinking I was having a heart attack... Did all kinds of tests... Turns out I suffer from anxiety . Sure feels like the real thing... Scary stuff...
Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (O2RFr)

That happened to me once. Cold sweats, dizziness, shortness of breath, the works. Went to the ER, heart rate and BP were elevated but EKG and enzymes were fine. Yup, it was a panic attack.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:30 PM (0mRoj)

101 This was actually its original intended purpose when it was first developed--a rare case of a side effect becoming more important than the intended result...Posted by: Brother Cavil

Right. Men with underperforming hearts with pain, aka angina.

I'll be happy when it comes off patent and the price becomes less stratospheric. I used to have occasional angina. Since I began self prescribing it's gone away. Mind is clearer, not so tired, blood pressure lowered.

Posted by: Jiminy Cricket at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (ZnIt3)

102 I'm more afraid of congestive heart failure.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (iQIUe)

103 Full disclosure: I had a bout of tachycardia over a week or so about twenty years ago. Turned out it was a combo of stress, lack of sleep, and too much caffeine. Like an idiot I ignored it until an "event" basically reset it and I said, "guys, get my sorry ass to the ER NOW". This is not a mistake I will ever make again.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (9krrF)

104
I buried an old friend earlier this week, after only recently burying the hatchet after 10 years of not speaking to him.

Do not waste time. Do not take for granted those whom you care about.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (p4UlV)

105 Godspeed Mike. Prayers for his loved ones.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (8marX)

106 85 Jane, I took a visit to the ER last year thinking I was having a heart attack... Did all kinds of tests... Turns out I suffer from anxiety . Sure feels like the real thing... Scary stuff...

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:28 PM (O2RFr)

Yes. I also suffer from anxiety due to stress. Speaking of, I've got a huge funeral reception I'm in charge of tomorrow. As exhausting as it will be, I feel it's a gift to the family. So my prayer is, "Please make me a cheerful servant." It helps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (1ZOkK)

107 >>.
The little spikes and peaks on an EKG printout are suppose to have a specific length and ratio, etc. Also, if you had minor heart attacks before that went unnoticed and damaged the muscle, it would interfere with the electrical reading and show up on the print out.

ah, that makes sense!

I guess that's why they kept saying it wasn't anything important.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:31 PM (dciA+)

108 Do not waste time. Do not take for granted those whom you care about.

THIS THIS THIS times ten

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:33 PM (dFi94)

109 Our best wishes to Mike Flynn's family. He fought the good fight on behalf of all of us, and all in our house are very sorry for your family's loss. Your husband and father are also America's loss.

Posted by: MTF at June 24, 2016 04:33 PM (/m8T6)

110 I remember him running for congress last year & I know it was against Lahood's kid. I made calls for him from my home to his district. I think it was in June.
RIP.
I put Go Fund Me on Twitter & make $ when I'm in house.

Posted by: Carol at June 24, 2016 04:33 PM (sj3Ax)

111 ace, didn't they give you a blood test? Mine showed it wasn't a heart attack, after the EKG was normal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:33 PM (1ZOkK)

112 My condolences ace, he sounds like a good man.

Posted by: Croaker at June 24, 2016 04:34 PM (uHiz2)

113 Do not waste time. Do not take for granted those whom you care about.

Word. Every day is a blessing; treasure it as if it may be the last.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:34 PM (9krrF)

114 @95 Christopher, I have heard that low-carb diets have helped some people with CFS.
(and other auto-immune disorders).

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 04:34 PM (7lVbc)

115 I am trying to get back into shape. if Trump wins I will have to stick around for a while.
If Hillary wins I will need to be in shape for what's coming.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 24, 2016 04:35 PM (8marX)

116 Doctor said "stress." I quit one of my committees, and I've recently been nagged back into it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:22 PM (1ZOkK)

Girl, you have enough going on. Please watch out for yourself!

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:35 PM (ozZau)

117 >>>111 ace, didn't they give you a blood test? Mine showed it wasn't a heart attack, after the EKG was normal.

yeah they ran a lot of blood tests. but they couldn't tell me what the pain actually *was*.

A friend suggested (much later) it might just be this condition where the membrane around your internal organs, your pleuris or something like that, gets dry and hurts as it pulls against the ribs. That's what he had, when he was younger.

without being able to definitely say it is X, it's hard to stop worrying it's Y.

They say it's "idiopathic," which means "We don't know."

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (dciA+)

118 My dad went in to get stents placed and whooosie daisy, turns out he needed a quadruple bypass.

He's doing pretty well now, but it's very scary how fast heart problems can come on.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (pr5+C)

119 So sad to hear this. I couldn't stay up to watch all the Brexit coverage last night. I woke up feeling happy for once to read the results and get some good news. The next thing I read was about Mike's death. They have a really great pic of Mike with Andrew up on Breitbart, both look so happy with huge smiles. And now they're both gone. What a loss.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (6IPEM)

120 I think this is freaky all the Breitbart guys.

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (yrohn)

121 @104 JJ Sefton-Sorry to hear that, condolences.

Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (wnwJC)

122 Do not waste time. Do not take for granted those whom you care about.

Word. Every day is a blessing; treasure it as if it may be the last.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:34 PM (9krrF)
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I try to end every visit or phone call with "I love you". Well, not every visit. I mean with family and friends, not the mailman. Every time my kids leave the house, I tell them "Be careful. I love you." It's automatic.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (dFi94)

123 My maternal grandparents both died suddenly in their early 60's of heart attacks.

My paternal grandfather died in his 40's of cancer, and paternal grandmother suffered a major stroke in her early 70's and died a month later.

Daddy died at 76 from falling and hitting his head.

Mother, who suffered her whole life with an enlarged heart and had two mitral valve replacements, surprised all of her doctors and made it to 83.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (1ZOkK)

124 My condolences to all.

May Time heal their wounds.

Posted by: eman at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (mR7Es)

125 it might just be this condition where the membrane around your internal
organs, your pleuris or something like that, gets dry and hurts as it
pulls against the ribs.
===========================================

Costochondritis?

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:38 PM (dFi94)

126 121 @104 JJ Sefton-Sorry to hear that, condolences.
Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (wnwJC)

Appreciate it. I'm going to live with that guilt for a long time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:38 PM (p4UlV)

127 A friend suggested (much later) it might just be this condition where the membrane around your internal organs, your pleuris or something like that, gets dry and hurts as it pulls against the ribs.

Pleurisy?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:39 PM (/IMJl)

128 123 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:36 PM (1ZOkK)

Dear Lord, I hope genetics takes a holiday with you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (p4UlV)

129 Losing friends in their prime is always a devastating thing.
---------

It's like, "What?! I just saw him last week, he seemed fine..."

One fellow I knew (54) contracted a hyper-rare blood disorder and died within just a few days.

We take a lot for granted.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (9mTYi)

130 Heh. Just talking about this stuff is stressing me out.

Off to get ready to go out with husband when he gets home.

Stay safe and healthy, Horde.

Ace, I'll keep you and Mike's family and friends in my prayers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (1ZOkK)

131 @97 rickb223-I would say that's it too. 30 year high school reunion coming up, best friend passed a year after the 20, still can't believe he's gone.

Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (wnwJC)

132 My dad had a heart attack at 39, me and my sister always thought oh shit, we're doomed. We both just had birthdays, 58,59. We both have myriad health problems, but no heart attack, woo hoo?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (6Ll1u)

133 "How exactly does one get one's heart checked out? Do you need an EKG / ECG?"

I'm busy juggling flaming chainsaws at the moment (preferable I suppose to flaming clown boners) but there are some other things you can keep an eye on.

One is blood chemistry as it pertains to the heart. There are certain markers of inflammation or other distress. In some states you can privately order this blood work for yourself without having to have an M.D. in the loop.

Another useful thing is getting your heart imaged to look for calcium buildup in atherosclerotic vessel walls.

And keep your records so you have a long term baseline by which to judge change!

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (noWW6)

134 125 it might just be this condition where the membrane around your internal
organs, your pleuris or something like that, gets dry and hurts as it
pulls against the ribs.
===========================================

Costochondritis?

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:38 PM (dFi94)

That's inflammation of the cartilage that connects the sternum to the ribs.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (0mRoj)

135 I'm going to live with that guilt for a long time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:38 PM (p4UlV)
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No need for that my friend. You made ammends. You are remembering him well. Forgive yourself. Let yourself off the hook. You don't belong there anymore.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (dFi94)

136 God bless his family.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 24, 2016 04:41 PM (mf5HN)

137 That's inflammation of the cartilage that connects the sternum to the ribs.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (0mRoj)
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And hurts like a son of a gun.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:41 PM (dFi94)

138 To whoever referred to the little blue pill's patent status: Look for the generic of Revatio. It's a lower dose of sildenafil (aka Viagra) intended for treating cardiovascular diseases, for which purpose the patent expired in 2013. Only the higher-dose Viagra for ED is still under patent in the US.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:42 PM (9krrF)

139 Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord. And let perpetual light shine upon him.

May God grant peace and comfort to his family and friends.

Posted by: bluebell at June 24, 2016 04:42 PM (805dc)

140 I get angina bad too, but I think that's more my body being weak and my heart stressing when I do too much. Or have too much sugar. So far I can control it with rest and quiet.

Diet and exercise will deal with 90% of health problems, or more, I think. If you can't exercise and are too poor to have a special diet, well...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2016 04:42 PM (39g3+)

141 JJ, you at least got to bury the hatchet while he was still living. That's a blessing in and of itself; focus on that instead.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:43 PM (9krrF)

142 I'm going to live with that guilt for a long time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:38 PM (p4UlV)
=========

No need for that my friend. You made ammends. You are remembering him well. Forgive yourself. Let yourself off the hook. You don't belong there anymore.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (dFi94)
----------------

grammie is a wise woman. She is absolutely right, JJ. Be very grateful that God gave you the chance to make things right with him again - and most importantly, you took it.

Posted by: bluebell at June 24, 2016 04:44 PM (805dc)

143 137 That's inflammation of the cartilage that connects the sternum to the ribs.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:40 PM (0mRoj)
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And hurts like a son of a gun.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:41 PM (dFi94)

I had a moderate case of it once. It wasn't that painful, but it just wouldn't friggin' go away. Took months.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:44 PM (0mRoj)

144 I know it's sappy, but it's true.

Yesterday's the past,
Tomorrow's the future,
But today is a gift.
That's why it's called the present.
-Bill Keane

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:45 PM (/IMJl)

145 As long as we're talking about depressing health things, my best friend's daughter gave birth last night to my friend's first grandchild.

There's something seriously wrong with the baby, and they don't know what. Docs induced early because she wasn't thriving. We are all freaked out not knowing and we can't visit because they're in San Francisco.

I count my blessings everyday.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:46 PM (ozZau)

146 As long as we're talking about depressing health things, my best friend's daughter gave birth last night to my friend's first grandchild.

There's something seriously wrong with the baby, and they don't know what. Docs induced early because she wasn't thriving. We are all freaked out not knowing and we can't visit because they're in San Francisco.

I count my blessings everyday.
Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:46 PM (ozZau)

Prayers up.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 24, 2016 04:48 PM (mf5HN)

147
Long story short, I was having "stomach" pain constantly, saw the doc, said try new food etc, didn't work, he recommend the ultrasound thinking it might be the gall bladder, but that and the kidneys, liver and pancreas were all good.

So I went in for the double up the backside and down the hatch video. Turns out it was Barrets Esophagus, which was caught early and can be healed. I am now on daily industrial strength Prevacid for 3 years until I get another video. So if you are a Tums eater and you have that symptom try not to worry its cancer like I did.

BTW, my cornhole is clean as a whistle, I am sure you want to know.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 24, 2016 04:48 PM (ODxAs)

148 @JJ Sefton-I'm sure it meant a lot to your friend too.

Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 04:48 PM (wnwJC)

149 Barrets Esophagus

.50BMG?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:48 PM (0mRoj)

150 my cornhole is clean as a whistle, I am sure you want to know.

Well, that's a relief. We were all concerned about your pooper.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2016 04:49 PM (39g3+)

151 I count my blessings everyday.
Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:46 PM (ozZau)
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stace, I will pray for that dear baby and her family. Not knowing is the worst.

Posted by: bluebell at June 24, 2016 04:50 PM (805dc)

152 Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 24, 2016 04:48 PM (mf5HN)

Thank you, Empress.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:50 PM (ozZau)

153 Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:46 PM (ozZau)
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Oh geez, stace. A little baby. Wow. All I can do is pray. I have that old Sunday School song in my head - "Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world." Maybe I'll just stop and sing it out loud.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:50 PM (dFi94)

154 Clean poopers should concern us all.

Posted by: eleven at June 24, 2016 04:50 PM (qUNWi)

155 Thanks, bluebell.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:51 PM (ozZau)

156 Sorry to hear about your friend, Ace.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 24, 2016 04:51 PM (3ZoRf)

157 Prayers for the little one, stace. It always feels worse when it's them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 24, 2016 04:51 PM (9krrF)

158 Thanks all. It's also regret for a lot of missed opportunities.

But this is about Ace.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2016 04:52 PM (p4UlV)

159 Posted by: speedster1 at June 24, 2016 04:51 PM (xfE5u)

Don't be an asshole.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:52 PM (0mRoj)

160 .50BMG? <<<<<<<

Being shot in the throat might hurt a little more.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 24, 2016 04:53 PM (ODxAs)

161 Prayers for the little one, stace. It always feels worse when it's them.

That always tests your faith. "Why?"

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:53 PM (/IMJl)

162 162 Prayers for the little one, stace. It always feels worse when it's them.

That always tests your faith. "Why?"
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:53 PM (/IMJl)

I don't ask why anymore. The answers are either unsatisfactory or too horrible to contemplate.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 04:55 PM (0mRoj)

163 Thanks, grammie, and everyone.

My friend was so tired last night she wasn't very forthcoming, but they're running genetic tests and other stuff today. Hope to know more tonight, since they're two time zones over. My friend lives here in my texas city and took a non-stop to CA yesterday morning.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 04:55 PM (ozZau)

164 Now you are being a dick.

Shut it.

Posted by: eleven at June 24, 2016 04:57 PM (qUNWi)

165 *I'm* an asshole for pointing out that this person, held up as an exemplar of conservative values, apparently failed to fulfill basic financial responsibilities?

Okey dokey.

This just isn't the time or place

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 04:59 PM (O2RFr)

166 *I'm* an asshole for pointing out that this person,
held up as an exemplar of conservative values, apparently failed to
fulfill basic financial responsibilities?

Okey dokey.

Posted by: speedster1 at June 24, 2016 04:56 PM (xfE5u)
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Or, it could be that people whose lives he touched, or who appreciated his work and his willingness, want to give the family a gift. To be nice. To be nice to a family who has lost their loved one. A gift of appreciation. No one is compelled to give.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 24, 2016 04:59 PM (dFi94)

167 There always has to be one doesn't there?

Posted by: Kreplach at June 24, 2016 05:00 PM (ra1Al)

168 My condolences, Ace. May angels sing him to his rest and may God bless and comfort his family and all who loved him.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 24, 2016 05:00 PM (tbKrr)

169 The good don't have as much to prove as the remaining horde... So they are released their earthly bonds early . The rest of us .. Hmmmm .. Condolences to you Ace and especially his family , how terribly sad.
There was s a profile for heart attacks apparently ., Spousal unit is tall thin a former marathoner , older now and slowed to a 6 mile jogger .. Felt dizzy on the west side pathway . Barely made it home .. Doc did all tests and he had cardiac oblation within th week .. Thinish , tall in fairly good shape ,high power career , exercising .. Bam you are at the head of a line you don't want to b in ..he says if he knew then .. He'd have slacked off earlier . Check ups , gang .. Check up tout suite ...

Posted by: Madhatton at June 24, 2016 05:00 PM (i8ZRo)

170 @165 speedster-Why Conservatives are more generous than the left 101.

Posted by: JROD at June 24, 2016 05:02 PM (wnwJC)

171 Who among us has no loose ends? No tasks we've neglected. No cranky results of procrastination?

So, before I let any more time pass, let me say to speedster, in Al Pacino's voice in Scent of a Woman, "Fuck you too!"

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at June 24, 2016 05:03 PM (fM4fB)

172

You know: personal responsibility as conservative principle?
Posted by: speedster1 at June 24, 2016 04:51 PM (xfE5u)

???
Pitching in voluntarily to help others is also a conservative value. Even if he had life insurance, most people could do with more money.

I can't believe this has to be explained to anyone.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:04 PM (ozZau)

173 : stace,

Prayers for the little one...

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 05:05 PM (O2RFr)

174

Ah, I see on the sidebar it was a heart attack.

Damn it. That is how Andrew died too.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 24, 2016 05:07 PM (qCMvj)

175 Sad to see such a fine person to be called so early. My sincere condolences to his friends and family.
I remember when he was running for Congress and watching a debate between the candidates. Mr. Flynn would've been an exemplary representative.

Posted by: Winnie in Arizona at June 24, 2016 05:07 PM (c6CS8)

176 I think of this GoFundMe as being equivalent to "In lieu of flowers..."

Because of Mike's work and online presence, there are probably hundreds of people who want to express their appreciation for him and try to help his loved ones. They can't go to his funeral, but they can send a gift for his kids' education.

Emotions are raw right now. I'm sure speedster did not mean to give offense. We should probably try to cut each other some slack today.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 05:07 PM (t5zYU)

177 Who among us has no loose ends? No tasks we've neglected. No cranky results of procrastination?

say "I love you" to those you love every day

the rest doesn't matter anyway near as much

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 24, 2016 05:08 PM (qCMvj)

178 Emotions are raw right now. I'm sure speedster did not mean to give offense. We should probably try to cut each other some slack today.

Well said...

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 05:08 PM (O2RFr)

179 heartfelt sadness for this loss.
so very sorry ace.

Posted by: concrete girl at June 24, 2016 05:09 PM (ceWrl)

180 156 I have no objection to the GFM, but isn't this what life insurance for?
You know: personal responsibility as conservative principle?
Posted by: speedster1 at June 24, 2016 04:51 PM (xfE5u)
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Um, it doesn't have anything to do with that.
For all we know, the guy could have had fifty jillion dollars worth of insurance and savings. Doesn't matter.

It's like sending flowers or a card. It's a way to say you're sorry about the loss ---- really more for the giver than the recipient.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 24, 2016 05:09 PM (T/5A0)

181 How old was he?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 24, 2016 05:10 PM (cNJvW)

182 OT.
Gag me.
Hubby rented that movie with Emma Watson in it set in Chile during the Pinochet coup.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 05:10 PM (7lVbc)

183 182 OT.
Gag me.
Hubby rented that movie with Emma Watson in it set in Chile during the Pinochet coup.

Bad?

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 05:11 PM (O2RFr)

184 speedster is banned.

I just don't have time for assholes. Life is too short and precious to spend a single moment of it among the foul.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 05:12 PM (dciA+)

185 @Donna just started. I suspect it will be all about how right wingers are the devil.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 05:13 PM (7lVbc)

186 185 @Donna just started. I suspect it will be all about how right wingers are the devil.
Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2016 05:13 PM (7lVbc)

Of course. They'll demonize Pinochet and fellate the communists.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 05:14 PM (0mRoj)

187 >>181 How old was he?

I thought I read he was in his early 60s, although I can't find the link. I don't think he looked it.

Do you know, ace?

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 05:15 PM (t5zYU)

188 speedster can join those ex-commenters who were very butthurt to learn that Mary Katherine Ham had married a liberal, and what did that say about her REAL conservative bona findes? Hmmm? HMMMMMM???!!!

some fucking people are just too fucking stupid to be permitted among other people.

There are some real sad socially-maladjusted people who like talking about politics because they don't understand normal human communication. but politics, having a small rule-set, is easier for them to discuss.

Trouble is, it's all they CAN talk about. Someone dies? Let's evaluate this person's choices according to Conservative Doctrine.

Eh, go fuck yourself stupid.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 05:15 PM (dciA+)

189 have no objection to the GFM, but isn't this what life insurance is for?�

Genital female mutilation (GFM) is no different than circumcision of a male. It's not (yet) covered by health insurance but we are sure this will change under the Hillary Clinton presidency.

Posted by: Islamic Apologist at June 24, 2016 05:15 PM (ZnIt3)

190 he was 49.

Speedster will be here to tell us that he must have been a liberal, for quitting life so easily. A real conservative would hyave fought harder.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 05:16 PM (dciA+)

191 Sorry for the loss of your friend, Ace, and prayers for his family and friends. May his memory be eternal.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2016 05:16 PM (bzd8I)

192 This may be an inappropriate and macabre topic suggestion, but what's the best funeral/wake you've ever been to? They say funerals are for the remaining and not the departed, and I can honestly say that I've been to some funerals/wakes that were so fun I almost felt guilty.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at June 24, 2016 05:17 PM (fM4fB)

193 >>>191 Sorry for the loss of your friend, Ace, and prayers for his family and friends. May his memory be eternal.

thank you for your kind sentiment.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 05:18 PM (dciA+)

194 Only 49? Jesus. That's awful.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 05:18 PM (0mRoj)

195 >>190 he was 49.

Crap.

Lord only knows where I got the 60s thing. I didn't just have my eyes done!

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 05:18 PM (t5zYU)

196 Agree with Grammie that you always sign off by saying "love you" when seeing or speaking with family and friends. Make it a habit! That's how I know that the last thing I ever said to my beloved grandmother was "I love you." We never know when a loved one will slip away.

And yes, don't be stupid about taking care of yourself. If you "think" something is not quite right, get off the couch and get in to a doc to get it checked out. You know when you don't feel right and only you can see that it is taken care of timely. /nagging app off now

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 24, 2016 05:18 PM (tbKrr)

197 192 This may be an inappropriate and macabre topic suggestion, but what's the best funeral/wake you've ever been to? They say funerals are for the remaining and not the departed, and I can honestly say that I've been to some funerals/wakes that were so fun I almost felt guilty.
Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at June 24, 2016 05:17 PM (fM4fB)

Never been to a fun one. The most memorable for me was a memorial service for a longtime family friend. I cried my guts out. It was awful.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 05:19 PM (0mRoj)

198 I just wish people would stop using GoFundMe.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2016 05:20 PM (39g3+)

199 I just wish people would stop using GoFundMe.

Yes, they have made me angry numerous times..

Posted by: donna at June 24, 2016 05:21 PM (O2RFr)

200 >>>This may be an inappropriate and macabre topic suggestion, but what's the best funeral/wake you've ever been to?

At Andrew Breitbart's funeral, Mike Flynn said something I meant to tell you guys about, but then didn't, because I didn't want to hurt his political career.

But since he's dead:

Mike and Chip Gerdes (another man who died far too early) were talking about some liberal scumbag who was trash-talking Andrew.

Mike and chip had both come from the political world, where dirty tricks were sometimes performed against enemies.

The two of them started egging each other on about which horrible things they were going to perpetrate on Andfrew's posthumous ill-wishers.

Mike got this devilish look in his eyes (as he often had -- he had a satanish kind of look) and began grinning at the coming vengeance.

"We're going to CROSS SOME LINES on this one," he grinned. "We're going to come out of this with some *regrets*."

It was funny.

Fortunately (or -- alas) they got sober and never undertook the torture campaign they were plotting.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 05:21 PM (dciA+)

201 Just had a guy at work survive a widowmaker heart attack thanks to a CPR trained coworker and a portable defib machine.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:21 PM (/IMJl)

202 This is awful!

My best wishes to his family.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at June 24, 2016 05:22 PM (KF8B+)

203 The Internet has a way with making things impersonal. From Internet tough guys to unsympathetic jerkwads.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 24, 2016 05:23 PM (cNJvW)

204 Glenn Reynolds had a column in USA Today: "Things Don't Have to be Rotten." I linked it in the sidebar.

Not really on this subject, but talking about how even when things look unfixable, we can change things for the better. He used NYC as his example.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 05:23 PM (t5zYU)

205 RIP Mr. Flynn, and condolences to his family and many friends.

Sounds like a standup guy. Very sad.

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at June 24, 2016 05:25 PM (VFhMt)

206 "We're going to CROSS SOME LINES on this one," he grinned. "We're going to come out of this with some *regrets*."
--

Well, ace, I'm good for bail money if you decide to carry on with Mike's plans!

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 05:25 PM (t5zYU)

207 Sorry for your loss, Ace. I can't believe that podcast was already a year ago. RIP, Mike Flynn.

Posted by: gloomhauer at June 24, 2016 05:25 PM (UKFDQ)

208 I noted it in another thread, but sleep apnea has been tied to heart attacks; it's what my cardiologist has attributed to the heart attack that I had last year, at age 43. I'm now, finally (no thanks to United Healthcare, who did all they could to deny the claim) on a CPAP and it has made a huge difference.

Run yourself through these checklists: https://tinyurl.com/zvtdzmg

Talk to your doctor if you need to. Sleep apnea can screw all sorts of things up with your health: https://tinyurl.com/m6dobqk

I knew I had it for 20 years and did nothing and it damn near killed me.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 24, 2016 05:25 PM (GUBah)

209 49?! Damn. Way too young. I lost a friend almost a year ago who was just 50. State trooper, healthy as a horse, finished a run and had a heart attack in his driveway right in front of his wife. You never know...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2016 05:26 PM (bzd8I)

210 206 "We're going to CROSS SOME LINES on this one," he grinned. "We're going to come out of this with some *regrets*."
--

Well, ace, I'm good for bail money if you decide to carry on with Mike's plans!
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at June 24, 2016 05:25 PM (t5zYU)

A good friend will bail you out. A great friend will be sitting with you in the cell, saying "damn that was fun". Which are you, Y-not?

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:27 PM (ozZau)

211 >>> Posted by: ace at June 24, 2016 05:21 PM (dciA+)
----
I was just going to ask you to share a fond memory of him. What a nice story. All the pics I have seen of him, he does seem to have a mischievous, semi-innocent churlish expression.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 24, 2016 05:27 PM (6IPEM)

212 Without revealing much, hopefully, let me just say that funerals and burial plots have not been immune to inflation. Some may think that funeral directors and all the necessary attendant services required are completely overpriced. Unfortunately people can't work for free. Even a Chinese casket would give many people sticker shock.

If people feel like lightening the burden on the widow with four children, then God bless them.

Posted by: Jiminy Cricket at June 24, 2016 05:28 PM (ZnIt3)

213 Mrs. Muse and her sisters had, shall we say, a "difficult" relationship with their mother. During said mother's funeral (I was not in attendance), when the minister asked if someone cared to step forward and say a few words about the deceased, nobody got up.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 24, 2016 05:28 PM (mAinT)

214 I just want to point out that it can take a while to receive life insurance payouts while expenses start immediately and can be pretty hefty. So donations are still helpful even if someone if is well covered life insurance-wise.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 24, 2016 05:29 PM (pAlYe)

215 213 Mrs. Muse and her sisters had, shall we say, a "difficult" relationship with their mother. During said mother's funeral (I was not in attendance), when the minister asked if someone cared to step forward and say a few words about the deceased, nobody got up.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 24, 2016 05:28 PM (mAinT)

Ouch.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 05:29 PM (0mRoj)

216 A good friend will bail you out. A great friend will be sitting with you in the cell, saying "damn that was fun". Which are you, Y-not?
Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:27 PM (ozZau)

A good friend will help you move. A *damn* good friend will help you move the body.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 24, 2016 05:29 PM (mAinT)

217 Count me in on the bail money, Ace! But having trouble visualizing an Ewok mug shot. Sad!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 24, 2016 05:30 PM (tbKrr)

218 I just want to point out that it can take a while to receive life insurance payouts while expenses start immediately and can be pretty hefty. So donations are still helpful even if someone if is well covered life insurance-wise.

+1

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:31 PM (/IMJl)

219 "During said mother's funeral (I was not in attendance), when the
minister asked if someone cared to step forward and say a few words
about the deceased, nobody got up."

There's an old rule of lawyering which says not to ask a question of a witness on the stand to which you don't already know the answer. Looks as though it holds for ministering, too.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2016 05:33 PM (noWW6)

220 Fortunately (or -- alas) they got sober and never undertook the torture campaign they were plotting.

Well, that really is too bad.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2016 05:33 PM (39g3+)

221 Count me in on the bail money, Ace! But having trouble visualizing an Ewok mug shot. Sad!

Cousin It.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:33 PM (/IMJl)

222 If you are the one in your family that pays the bills, write it all down. Spreadsheet it. First wife handled the bills and didn't do that. PE got her at 42. I had no idea who to pay and when. Do your family a favor. Tell them you love them, but also make sure they don't have to deal with financial nightmares.

Also, fuck you speedster.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 24, 2016 05:34 PM (kTF2Z)

223 Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 24, 2016 05:34 PM (kTF2Z)

Damn, Duke. I'm sorry.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 24, 2016 05:35 PM (0mRoj)

224 requiescat in pace

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at June 24, 2016 05:37 PM (Cq0oW)

225 When I worked in NYC, my group of dude friends all agreed that if one of us died , the others were required to use the funeral to roast you. No different than what we did when we were all together anyway. No wonder women roll their eyes at us guys constantly .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 24, 2016 05:38 PM (cNJvW)

226 There's an old rule of lawyering which says not to ask a question of a witness on the stand to which you don't already know the answer. Looks as though it holds for ministering, too.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2016 05:33 PM (noWW6)

Mrs. Muse told me later it was actually kind of funny. First, the minister was a great guy who actually took the opportunity afforded by the occasion to preach the Gospel, which impressed Mrs. Muse very much. And then when nobody came forward with a eulogy, he said, "So, I guess she was kind of a character, then?" Mrs. Muse and her sisters looked at each other and laughed and said yes, she was. Then the minister smiled, said thank you, and went on with the funeral.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 24, 2016 05:38 PM (mAinT)

227 Best wake for me was for a classmate of mine. He died at 34. He was a man of means and had a condition that made him aware that he would not live a normal life expectancy. He made arrangements such that there was a short, respectful and religious ceremony and internment, followed by limos to a venue with a dj and an open bar. The walls were adorned with pictures of him (usually shitfaced) with his friends. Party pics. We had a hell of a time and it felt like he was there but just in the bathroom or something. That's how I want to go out.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at June 24, 2016 05:40 PM (fM4fB)

228 Very sorry about the loss of your friend, Ace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 24, 2016 05:41 PM (AroJD)

229 And ace, please accept my condolences for your loss. My prayers are with Mike's family.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 24, 2016 05:43 PM (mAinT)

230 I appreciate the needed group bonding that needs to happen in times like this, but I am now so depressed that I have to move on. It's Friday afternoon, after a long, rough week, how bout some happy talk? Or some snark? Celebrate life.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 24, 2016 05:43 PM (6Ll1u)

231 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 24, 2016 05:44 PM (/IMJl)

232 Such a miserable loss. Would have loved to see someone like Mike become the face of the American right, going into the future. He embodies what I wish we had running the country and informing the culture.

Condolences to the family. As someone who has more experience with premature loss of a loved one than someone my age should have, there's really nothing anyone can say to you in such times that can even approach doing justice to their situation.

Posted by: reform highlander at June 24, 2016 05:44 PM (jCH/T)

233 Sorry for the loss of your friend, Ace. Sometimes the loss of a friend is worse than losing a family member.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2016 05:44 PM (I2l87)

234 appreciate the needed group bonding that needs to happen in times like this, but I am now so depressed that I have to move on. It's Friday afternoon, after a long, rough week, how bout some happy talk? Or some snark? Celebrate life.

====

might be Mr Flynn would want it that way. anyway got baddish news about my dad so I'd rather not think too hard on it honestly

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at June 24, 2016 05:46 PM (Cq0oW)

235 Sometimes the loss of a friend is worse than losing a family member.

===

yes.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at June 24, 2016 05:47 PM (Cq0oW)

236 Another heart attack?

Posted by: Sniffs the Air at June 24, 2016 05:53 PM (TxJtt)

237 Another warrior gone. RIP.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 24, 2016 05:53 PM (y8gYo)

238 So sorry to hear about your friend, Ace.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at June 24, 2016 06:17 PM (IN4IS)

239 Donated. A terrible loss for everyone.

Posted by: Cashin at June 24, 2016 06:25 PM (6ZeoU)

240 Sorry for your loss, Ace. We are all on the short leash, and we never-ever know when it is going to get yanked. Liquor works, a little. It allows tears better.

Posted by: goon at June 24, 2016 06:34 PM (WCaSy)

241 Condolences to you,Ace. Those we will miss the most are so often the ones taken first. My prayers are that precious memories soon replace the the void in your heart and the exhausting grief Mike's family is experiencing.

Posted by: Infidelicious at June 24, 2016 06:44 PM (TbFL/)

242 Sorry for your loss Ace

Posted by: xpo172 at June 24, 2016 07:02 PM (1PDwB)

243
Very sorry.

Posted by: BBC Dweeb at June 24, 2016 11:07 PM (iZGeA)

244 Hey ace -- I haven't been to this place for a while, but I just read this news about Mike Flynn and you're actually the first person I thought of, because I remember when he was running for Congress (which I only knew about from you). I want to express my heartfelt condolences on your loss. Something so sudden like this -- especially in one so young -- is shocking and should serve as a reminder that tomorrow isn't promised to any of us, so we should try to live each day as if it is our last on this earth.
May God grant your friend Mike Flynn rest among all His saints, and may his memory be eternal.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at June 25, 2016 01:43 AM (aNrvT)

245 Mike was a good dude. I only talked to him via Andrew during the proto-Big days. He was for real, like Andrew.

But also like Andrew, bad habits and high stress will take any of us down. It was actually more dangerous for Mike to become exercise-addicted so late, especially while still smoking. You literally risk jarring something loose into your blood stream. That's also similar to how Andrew went.

If you smoked for a long period of life, do not start running. Ease into it. Detox, EKG, bloodwork every 3-4 months. Change your diet. Chicken and fish. Don't go vegan or paleo.

Smokers are human chimney stacks that need swept. Running is not a cleaning cycle. It's a fight/flight response turned into a stressload loop. Running while still smoking turns a chimney into a cooling tower. The heart attack is critical mass.

I wanted Mike to win last year, especially against LaHood, the family responsible for Prez 0.

I'm sorry, Ace. I get how hard it must be because these are the friends/colleagues who really know your life in a short-hand way. It's hard to find people you don't have to include conversational addendums and footnotes into to explain wtf and why your life is what it is.

Posted by: budfox at June 25, 2016 10:26 AM (eUJB/)

246 Sorry about Mike, Ace. He'd have been a good Congressman, methinks.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at June 25, 2016 12:15 PM (0OG8D)

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