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Three Figures Pink And Gray
James Abbott McNeill Whistler

This guy's range was impressive. From soft, gauzy works like the above, to impressionistic landscapes to crisp and detailed realism (look for "Arrangement in Grey and Black No. 1"). He could do it all.

Well, he couldn't hit a curve ball, but that's beside the point.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:10 AM




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1 Morning.

Posted by: HH at June 27, 2016 10:04 AM (DrCtv)

2 Awesome..

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:04 AM (Fol9S)

3 legit noods?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 10:05 AM (KUaJL)

4 Kinda dark, isn't it?

Posted by: HH at June 27, 2016 10:05 AM (DrCtv)

5 Kill, screw, marry. Go!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 10:05 AM (KUaJL)

6 Naked gardening? Kinky!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 27, 2016 10:06 AM (kTF2Z)

7 So, that really was his mother? I need to get out more..

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:06 AM (Fol9S)

8 We're number one...

We're number one!!!

Winning!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/jkkwku6

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:06 AM (ptqRm)

9 Pity that this was painted before the era of high definition.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2016 10:07 AM (sl+zA)

10
The chick on the left looks like she needs to pee.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 27, 2016 10:07 AM (dJec7)

11 What would Whistler's Mother think about him painting such a risqué portrait?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:07 AM (mmU7u)

12 Unlike the Leader of the Free World, the lady knows how to operate an umbrella.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (sl+zA)

13 Supreme Court strikes down Texas abortion law, 5-3.

Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (Enq6K)

14
Unlike the Leader of the Free World, the lady knows how to operate an umbrella.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (sl+zA)








That's not an umbrella, that's a custom sniper rifle, Jackal-style.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (dJec7)

15 near-Noods.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 27, 2016 10:09 AM (kKHcp)

16 Are those cherry blossoms?
Possible metaphor there...

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:09 AM (Fol9S)

17 Don't think I like that one.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 10:09 AM (mpXpK)

18 whistler's brother was a rebel

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 27, 2016 10:10 AM (0O7c5)

19 13 Supreme Court strikes down Texas abortion law, 5-3.
Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (Enq6K)

Not being familiar with the case, I'm guessing this didn't go our way?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 10:10 AM (KUaJL)

20 The lady on the right looks like she can operate an umbrella. Impressive.

Posted by: Barry O. at June 27, 2016 10:10 AM (1ZOkK)

21 Way better than that nekkid Barney Frank from the other day....

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 10:10 AM (B48dK)

22 True story: Whistler's girlfriend had to move out of the house when mother moved in.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 27, 2016 10:10 AM (VuTQn)

23 Bolshevik SCOTUS upholds nearly everything leftwing.

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 10:11 AM (Ffw22)

24 13
Supreme Court strikes down Texas abortion law, 5-3.


Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (Enq6K)

I figured we would at lest get another 4-4 split. So one of the others turned traitor eh. I knew the four politicians pretending to be judges would opt for Gosnell level medical quality in their abortion mills but I didn't think any of the others would.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 10:11 AM (mpXpK)

25 Kennedy strikes again .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:12 AM (mmU7u)

26 whistler's brother was a rebel




Browncoat

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:13 AM (PrVhQ)

27 Kennedy is a gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 10:13 AM (B48dK)

28 Supreme Court strikes down Texas abortion law, 5-3.
Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (Enq6K)
__________________________


Roe vs. Wade and abortion, voluntary or not, aren't going anywhere, it's time to accept that fact and move on. Just my .02

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:13 AM (Fol9S)

29 Kennedy is still growing in office, to monstrous proportions.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2016 10:14 AM (sl+zA)

30 Those look like some very nice girls.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at June 27, 2016 10:14 AM (RRLg9)

31 Washington (CNN) In
a dramatic ruling, the Supreme Court on Monday threw out a Texas
abortion access law in a victory to supporters of abortion rights who
argued that if it had been allowed to go into effect it would have
shuttered all but a handful of clinics in the state.The
5-3 ruling is the most significant decision from the Supreme Court on
abortion in two decades and could serve to deter other states from
passing so-called "clinic shutdown" laws.

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote the majority opinion, which was joined in full by Justice Anthony Kennedy.

There
were two provisions of the law at issue. The first said that doctors
have to have local admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, the second
says that the clinics have to upgrade their facilities to hospital-like
standards. Critics say if the 2013
law, known as H.B. 2, is allowed to go into effect it could shutter all
but a handful of clinics in a state with 5.4 million women of
reproductive age.

Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:14 AM (Enq6K)

32 You have a right to abortion in a filthy,unsafe facility.

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 10:15 AM (B48dK)

33 Roe vs. Wade and abortion, voluntary or not, aren't going anywhere, it's time to accept that fact and move on. Just my .02

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:13 AM (Fol9S)


If you believe in the Divine, and accept that each soul is worth something, there is no moving on.


If you don't, all I can tell you is it's rather pointless suggesting those who do should just "move on."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:16 AM (TOk1P)

34 Supreme Court strikes down Texas abortion law, 5-3.


I'm torn. As long as you have legal abortion it might as well be as physically dangerous and squalid as it is morally.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:17 AM (evdj2)

35 Scotus, the legislative branch has decreed...

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 10:17 AM (Ffw22)

36 Ohhhh thank you for this.


This guy's range was impressive. From soft, gauzy works like the above, to impressionistic landscapes to crisp and detailed realism (look for "Arrangement in Grey and Black No. 1"). He could do it all.


Yup. People forget just how diverse his works were and how diversified his talents were to be able to do that range.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 10:18 AM (mf5HN)

37

Just a reminder. Texas wrote the law requiring better facilities and medical practices at abortion clinics in response to the malpractice, and crimes, of Dr Douglas Karpen, Houstons own Kermit Gosnell

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:19 AM (zOTsN)

38 21
Way better than that nekkid Barney Frank from the other day....

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 10:10 AM (B48dK)
But not as nice as the woman over the rock

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 27, 2016 10:19 AM (jxbfJ)

39 wait, so we have to "accept" abortions that aren't voluntary?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 27, 2016 10:19 AM (dBmVV)

40 As a Christian, I am supposed to pray for the murdering justice's redemption , but as a human sinner I can not help but wish for righteous karma to visit them sooner than later.

The issue is important to me but what makes me more angry regardless of the issue is the interference once again with state rights and the will of the people. We are two countries at war whether there is a formal split or not. I will act accordingly.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:19 AM (mmU7u)

41 You have a right to abortion in a filthy,unsafe facility.




I'm not losing sleep over it. If they want to visit a butcher, be my guest.
They get an infection by going to a skanky joint and wind up sterile? Win-win.
I'm no longer getting in people's way and keeping them from making disastrous decisions.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:19 AM (PrVhQ)

42 But not as nice as the woman over the rock




The "baby name" position.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:21 AM (PrVhQ)

43 Washington (CNN) In
a dramatic ruling, the Supreme Court on Monday threw out a Texas
abortion access law in a victory to supporters of abortion rights who
argued that if it had been allowed to go into effect it would have
shuttered all but a handful of clinics in the state.The
5-3 ruling is the most significant decision from the Supreme Court on
abortion in two decades and could serve to deter other states from
passing so-called "clinic shutdown" laws.

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote the majority opinion, which was joined in full by Justice Anthony Kennedy.

There
were two provisions of the law at issue. The first said that doctors
have to have local admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, the second
says that the clinics have to upgrade their facilities to hospital-like
standards. Critics say if the 2013
law, known as H.B. 2, is allowed to go into effect it could shutter all
but a handful of clinics in a state with 5.4 million women of
reproductive age.

Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:14 AM (Enq6K)



Amazing how every other aspect of "healthcare" delivery is being overregulated by the feds, but abortions can be done by untrained and unlicensed hacks in a pigsty.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:21 AM (TOk1P)

44 Funny - I was just looking through a book of Whistler paintings last night. I was quite taken with "Arrangement in Black: Lady Meux." My late husband was a big fan of his soft technique and the way he handled light.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 27, 2016 10:21 AM (4p3Tz)

45 You have a right to abortion in a filthy,unsafe facility.
Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 10:15 AM (B48dK)


I would like to see laws passed saying that an abortion clinic must meet the sanitation standards required by salons that provide manicures, pedicures and waxing services.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (mf5HN)

46 " wait, so we have to "accept" abortions that aren't voluntary?"

Is there a form that the fetus had to sign before this, for the voluntary abortion?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (ptqRm)

47 The first said that doctors have to have local admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, the second says that the clinics have to upgrade their facilities to hospital-like standards. Critics say if the 2013 law, known as H.B. 2, is allowed to go into effect it could shutter all but a handful of clinics in a state with 5.4 million women of reproductive age.

Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:14 AM (Enq6K)




So what they're saying is most of the abortion mills are unsafe filthy places but leave them as is. Brilliant

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (493sH)

48 Just fyi - those people are almost nekked.

Posted by: Kevin at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (/Zzcw)

49 If you don't, all I can tell you is it's rather pointless suggesting those who do should just "move on."


Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:16 AM (TOk1P)


The only way it is going away is either by constitutional amendment or by appointment of sufficient Supreme Court justices. They only way you get to either of those is by changing the culture of the land such that either of those is politically possible.

To change the culture of the land to support either the amendment or the appointment of certain justices you will need to change the academic and entertainment sectors. That is your target, that is where you need to develop influence. That is the headwaters.

Sounds like work, doesn't it?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (hLRSq)

50 The Supreme Court has issued their ruling, now let them enforce it.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken (Assault Commenter) at June 27, 2016 10:23 AM (FTyp4)

51 Douglas Karpen runs a chains of abortion mills in Texas, where he performs unsafe abortions in filthy surroundings to minors without regard for their health

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:23 AM (zOTsN)

52 Interesting and attractive painting. I was surprised it was in oil since it looks like pastels at first. It is subtle, perhaps sparse, almost zen, to reflect the interest in Japanese style at the time. I wish I could look at the original, full size and close up. Bet there is more to notice.

Thanks for another art thread, CBD. Now to check out more paintings by Whistler.

Posted by: JTB at June 27, 2016 10:23 AM (V+03K)

53 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (hLRSq)

We did the work in Texas and the people spoke.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:24 AM (mmU7u)

54 >>>>Supreme Court strikes down Texas abortion law, 5-3.




Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2016 10:08 AM (Enq6K)

I figured
we would at lest get another 4-4 split. So one of the others turned
traitor eh. I knew the four politicians pretending to be judges would
opt for Gosnell level medical quality in their abortion mills but I
didn't think any of the others would.
.
.
.
.It was never going to be upheld. Not sure why everyone put their hopes in this law.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:24 AM (iONHu)

55 Just a reminder. Texas wrote the law requiring better facilities and medical practices at abortion clinics in response to the malpractice, and crimes, of Dr Douglas Karpen, Houstons own Kermit Gosnell

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:19 AM (zOTsN)

Had to look that up.

Wish I hadn't.

Evil motherfucking piece of shit.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 27, 2016 10:24 AM (/CXhS)

56 "Douglas Karpen runs a chains of abortion mills in Texas, where he performs unsafe abortions in filthy surroundings to minors without regard for their health"

Perfectly legal

Posted by: SCOTUS at June 27, 2016 10:25 AM (ptqRm)

57 Why are they gardening in nightgowns? Seems dirty. Boobehs seem smallish too.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 27, 2016 10:25 AM (oGQLL)

58 Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:16 AM (TOk1P)


The only way it is going away is either by constitutional amendment or by appointment of sufficient Supreme Court justices. They only way you get to either of those is by changing the culture of the land such that either of those is politically possible.

To change the culture of the land to support either the amendment or the appointment of certain justices you will need to change the academic and entertainment sectors. That is your target, that is where you need to develop influence. That is the headwaters.

Sounds like work, doesn't it?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 27, 2016 10:22 AM (hLRSq)



It sure does. And is.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:25 AM (TOk1P)

59 The Beast just tweet the SC ruling is for safe abortions. It look to me like it was just the opposite.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 27, 2016 10:25 AM (493sH)

60 Reading transliterations of the original Greek NT, and authors like C.S. Lewis, George MacDonald, and Heath Bradley, I have long believed that eventually, way out there in time, all mankind, every single soul was going to be saved by Jesus Christ. Some would just take some more retraining and testing than others.


Evidently, the Supreme Court of today will be among the number requiring greater discipline.


That is all I will say. I think I'll be done with the news for today.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at June 27, 2016 10:26 AM (6JL3d)

61 The medical community ignored Gosnell, and they are ignoring Karpen. I am sure there are dozens and dozens of Gosnells and Karpens. If the medical community will not police their own, and prosecutors will not touch the cases for political reasons, and these shit holes are "state approved", there is no remedy

I think I found your war on women

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

62 I hope Harry Blackmun - who authored the Roe v. Wade opinion - is suffering unspeakable torment in his own special part of Hell, drowning in the gore of the millions of babies whose murder he made legal, having his flesh chemically burned for all eternity and his limbs ripped off him, restored and ripped off him over and over and over again.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 10:27 AM (0mRoj)

63 28 Roe vs. Wade and abortion, voluntary or not, aren't going anywhere, it's time to accept that fact and move on. Just my .02


Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:13 AM (Fol9S)

This was not a law to eliminate abortion. It was to require that abortion mills would be regulated to a minimum level of clinical standards like any other medical facility.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 10:27 AM (mpXpK)

64 Hillary is lauding the ruling.

We should certainly allow this woman to replace Antonin Scalia. Totes.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at June 27, 2016 10:27 AM (txI6z)

65 32 You have a right to abortion in a filthy,unsafe facility.

Posted by: steevy at June 27, 2016 10:15 AM (B48dK)


This.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 10:28 AM (1ZOkK)

66 Not sure why everyone put their hopes in this law.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:24 AM (iONHu)


Oh, I don't think it would be accurate for many of us to say we put ANY of our hopes in ANY law, or law generating body.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:28 AM (TOk1P)

67 I'm thinking most of these places would shut down if the death of a fetus-carrier due to a fetus removal procedure was considered felony murder and included doctors, nurses, and institute administrators who supervised said doctors and nurses.

Posted by: Ok at June 27, 2016 10:28 AM (jN+3o)

68 Many of the people being sent to these butchers are minors. Just saying

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:29 AM (zOTsN)

69 I mentioned in the previous thread, the Broadway play "Hamilton" is throwing a fundraiser for the Hell Beast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 10:29 AM (1ZOkK)

70 Lower court decision against Bob McConnell vacated and remanded.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (Pby3z)

71 Having something be as clean as a hospital is a near oxymoron, no?

Posted by: goon at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (WCaSy)

72 Former Virginia Gov. McDonnald's conviction reversed by Supreme Court.
Abortion Rules in Texas overturned

Posted by: tmitsss at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (ZYgGF)

73 I called it this morning

The fascinating thing about this ruling was the "reasoning" the progressive apparatchiks on the court come up with to say that states have no need or right to impose health standards on medical facilities.

Puppy mills have higher sanitary and medical standards than most abortion clinics.

And this finding that the regulations are medically unnecessary.

Apparently the SCOTUS gets to decide what is and isn't medically necessary and not peoples representatives and the medical community.

We are living in a post constitutional, post law, post representative era.

We are not voting our way out our predicament.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (3Xxpy)

74 Oh Steevy, gross. The naked fat guy was bad enough, now you've put a face to it and it's terrifying.

Posted by: Jaimo at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (9U1OG)

75 Love Whistler's work. A must see is the Peacock Room in the Freer-Sackler gallery of The Smithsonian. Designed by Whistler & moved from Detroit to DC. Go see it when the light is let in once a day.

http://www.asia.si.edu/exhibitions/current/peacockRoom/pano.asp

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (7HtZB)

76 Fast food is a dog eat dog business.

LUMBERTON, N.C. (WNCN) - A man named Ronald McDonald, 36, was shot during an argument at a Sonic restaurant Thursday evening in Lumberton, North Carolina.

McDonald, who is the husband of one of the restaurant's managers, argued with Telvin Drummond, 24, an employee at Sonic.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (Nwg0u)

77
Roe vs. Wade and abortion, voluntary or not, aren't going anywhere, it's time to accept that fact and move on. Just my .02
Posted by: IP

Same with race quotas.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (IqV8l)

78 "This was not a law to eliminate abortion. It was to require that abortion mills would be regulated to a minimum level of clinical standards like any other medical facility. "

Two industries which I believe now have higher regulatory hurdles for safety and cleanliness then Abortion Mills.....


Veterinarian's Office
Mortuary.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (ptqRm)

79 71 Having something be as clean as a hospital is a near oxymoron, no?
Posted by: goon at June 27, 2016 10:30 AM (WCaSy)

Depends on the hospital.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 10:31 AM (0mRoj)

80 We did the work in Texas and the people spoke.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:24 AM (mmU7u)

Hmm. Since this is being run through the US Constitution it seems you will have to get outside of your safe spaces, like Texas, and influence the larger national culture. And no, I do not think that will be easy and yes, I think it will take a long time.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 27, 2016 10:31 AM (hLRSq)

81 Reading transliterations of the original Greek NT, and authors like C.S. Lewis, George MacDonald, and Heath Bradley, I have long believed that eventually, way out there in time, all mankind, every single soul was going to be saved by Jesus Christ. Some would just take some more retraining and testing than others.

Evidently, the Supreme Court of today will be among the number requiring greater discipline.

That is all I will say. I think I'll be done with the news for today.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at June 27, 2016 10:26 AM (6JL3d)


If it brings any consolation, and I'm not suggesting it should, the souls of those butchered and flushed by these monsters are safely and peacefully in Heaven now, unencumbered by the evil of this world.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:31 AM (TOk1P)

82 69 I mentioned in the previous thread, the Broadway play "Hamilton" is throwing a fundraiser for the Hell Beast.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 10:29 AM (1ZOkK)

Then I will continue to not see Hamilton.

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:31 AM (7HtZB)

83 The medical community will not out these monsters

Progressive prosecutors in urban areas will not pursue these cases

Minors who use these facilities do not sue

Karpen is Gosnell and the Supreme Court has said the state of Texas cannot do anything about it

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:31 AM (zOTsN)

84 Whoops, sorry, McDonnell.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (Pby3z)

85 I'm thinking most of these places would shut down if the death of a fetus-carrier due to a fetus removal procedure was considered felony murder and included doctors, nurses, and institute administrators who supervised said doctors and nurses.


The quicker solution is to charge them as accessories after the fact to statutory rape. Plenty of minors passing through their doors.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (evdj2)

86 Two industries which I believe now have higher regulatory hurdles for safety and cleanliness then Abortion Mills.....


Veterinarian's Office
Mortuary.



Gas station bathroom.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (PrVhQ)

87
55 Just a reminder. Texas wrote the law requiring better facilities and medical practices at abortion clinics in response to the malpractice, and crimes, of Dr Douglas Karpen, Houstons own Kermit Gosnell
---------------------


Was Karpen violating existing laws?

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (pC96u)

88 So you can have a taco stand in the front of the store and an abortion clinic in the back! SCOTUS really looking out for little guy

sarc\

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (nSMEm)

89 "Just my .02"

My bet is if borders are closed an abortion will be impossible to get within five years. Abortion isn't allowed when serfs are desired.


Posted by: Ok at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (jN+3o)

90 Former Virginia Gov. McDonnald's conviction reversed by Supreme Court.

Unanimous decision. So yipee, I guess, though the aim was never to punish corruption but instead to make McDonnell irrelevant for the last gubernatorial election.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 27, 2016 10:33 AM (PFy0L)

91 I'm thinking most of these places would shut down if the death of a fetus-carrier due to a fetus removal procedure was considered felony murder and included doctors, nurses, and institute administrators who supervised said doctors and nurses.

Posted by: Ok at June 27, 2016 10:28 AM (jN+3o)



You would be wrong. It happens with greater frequency than you might imagine, and it gets quietly flushed, just like the unsellable body parts of those babies.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (TOk1P)

92 You have a right to abortion in a filthy,unsafe facility.

-
Filthy, unsafe facilities should be limited to strip joints and whorehouses.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (Nwg0u)

93 It's like Hillary and Huma at the Gay Pride Parade.

Posted by: Fritz at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (2Mnv1)

94 "Gas station bathroom."

Doors aren't wide enough for a gurney.

Except for the Handicapped Accessible.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (ptqRm)

95
55 Just a reminder. Texas wrote the law requiring better facilities and medical practices at abortion clinics in response to the malpractice, and crimes, of Dr Douglas Karpen, Houstons own Kermit Gosnell
---------------------


Was Karpen violating existing laws?
Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 10:32 AM (pC96u)
------------------

Never mind, it's right there. "AND CRIMES."

So next question: Do those laws (aim to) ensure proper sanitation and quality of care for women?

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (pC96u)

96 Why would a law enforcing basic standards of hygiene on abortion clinics be restricting access to their services? Has anyone asked why it seems impossible for abortion clinics to be run safely & cleanly? No other medical establishment, including veterinary practices, seem to have a hard time with basic sanitary requirements.

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (7HtZB)

97 //Since this is being run through the US Constitution it seems you will have to get outside of your safe spaces, like Texas, and influence the larger national culture. And no, I do not think that will be easy and yes, I think it will take a long time.//

The Right has to create it's own counter culture, cultivate it, then expand it.

That process is already happening with blogs like Mike Cernovich's Danger and Play, the online #GamerGate community, and with Milo Yiannopoulos' campus tours and podcast.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (txI6z)

98 Each of the 5 justices should be sent a little present in a jar of formaldahyde. You know, at times, you just want to spit on your hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (nSMEm)

99 So government can't impose restrictions on abortion, an implied right, but can deny express 2nd Amendment rights without due process with a watch list

Once again nothing is transitive

Posted by: Mary at June 27, 2016 10:35 AM (jT2ev)

100 93 It's like Hillary and Huma at the Gay Pride Parade.
Posted by: Fritz at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (2Mnv1)...

...feeling each other up. Hope you already had breakfast.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 27, 2016 10:35 AM (Pby3z)

101 Abortion is sacred, so this decision is a victory for the free exercise of religion.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at June 27, 2016 10:35 AM (0mRoj)

102 Not sure why everyone put their hopes in this law.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman




As Vic said in #63,

This was not a law to eliminate abortion. It was to require that abortion mills would be regulated to a minimum level of clinical standards like any other medical facility.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party


That's why.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:35 AM (PrVhQ)

103 My hair stylist has been living a nightmare.

He was referred by his doctor to a plastic surgery center for surgery on his varicose veins.

Long story short, he had swelling in his legs, was told to go home and "rest," and woke up two nights later paralyzed from the neck down.

He underwent surgery on his spine (docs told his partner he had a 50/50 chance of surviving). They opened up his spine which had a huge infection, and flushed it out, and after nearly a month in the hospital, losing 30 lbs, he's home now, in a wheelchair. Docs told him he'll probably never have full use of his legs.

He told me he's determined to walk again, and is undergoing physical therapy, trying to stand, etc.

Meanwhile, he can't work, and may never be able to.

I asked him if he was considering getting a lawyer, and he said he's too focused on trying to learn to walk again.

I'd be suing the hell out of the plastic surgery center.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 10:35 AM (1ZOkK)

104 >>>>Not sure why everyone put their hopes in this law.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:24 AM (iONHu)





Oh, I don't think it would be accurate for many of us to say we
put ANY of our hopes in ANY law, or law generating body.
.
.
.
.Every time something like this happens it gives Dems free ammo to use in elections. The Republicans want to deny your right to an abortion, war on women, they want to take away your birth control, etc. And these laws never get upheld by SCOTUS.

It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion issue alone. Rightly or wrongly Roe vs. Wade set the right to an abortion into stone, and anything anyone does to try and make it safer or more rare is going to be attacked without mercy as trying to deny that right.

It is only hurting Conservatives at the polls. A clear majority of the Country is fine with killing their babies on demand and not having to suffer any consequences of that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

105 Karpen has killed women. The medical community covers up for him, looks the other way. Houston will not prosecute him.

This law was the only thing that limited the damage that Karpen and practice era like him cause

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (zOTsN)

106 92 You have a right to abortion in a filthy,unsafe facility.

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Filthy, unsafe facilities should be limited to strip joints and whorehouses.




And 7-11 bathrooms

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:37 AM (PrVhQ)

107 You need a license to be a horse masseuse. Abortion facility not so much.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 27, 2016 10:37 AM (wrS2o)

108 The fascinating thing about this ruling was the "reasoning" the progressive apparatchiks on the court come up with to say that states have no need or right to impose health standards on medical facilities.

-
However government can ban salt shakers from restaurants and keep you from buying big gulps.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 27, 2016 10:37 AM (Nwg0u)

109
Hillary and Huma at the Gay Pride Parade.

When the walls fell.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 10:38 AM (IqV8l)

110 The Turks seem to have blinked, and that is no mean feat. Maybe there is something to be said for being a Putin-style tough guy state, in the world as it is, not in the Barack alternate reality version, hey Donald?

Posted by: goon at June 27, 2016 10:38 AM (WCaSy)

111 Texit...if Trump doesn't win.

If they leave I'm there. I'm thinking it will get pretty crowded.

Texas will need new water supplies, uranium for nuclear power plants, steel mfg capability

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:39 AM (nSMEm)

112

Douglas Karpen. That is who they are defending. Look him up. He's a peach

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:39 AM (zOTsN)

113 Unanimous decision. So yipee, I guess, though the aim was never to punish corruption but instead to make McDonnell irrelevant for the last gubernatorial election.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 27, 2016 10:33 AM (PFy0L)
============
That's getting to be a common tactic by lefties.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 10:40 AM (iQIUe)

114 It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion issue alone.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)


No.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:40 AM (TOk1P)

115 #109

Hildabeast adding a rainbow to her campaign logo yet?

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:40 AM (nSMEm)

116 109
Hillary and Huma at the Gay Pride Parade.

When the walls fell.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 10:38 AM (IqV8l)

Hilary with her legs wide open

I denounce myself

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:40 AM (7HtZB)

117 It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion issue alone.

If we abandon hope in the political process to effectuate our policy preferences, we might as well go to straight to direct action.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)

118 111 Texit...if Trump doesn't win.

If they leave I'm there. I'm thinking it will get pretty crowded.

Texas will need new water supplies, uranium for nuclear power plants, steel mfg capability
Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:39 AM (nSMEm)

Mexico better pray they build a wall.

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:41 AM (7HtZB)

119 Texit...if Trump doesn't win.

If they leave I'm there. I'm thinking it will get pretty crowded.




Nah.

What is the math? Everyone in the world would fit with a 5 sq ft patch?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:42 AM (PrVhQ)

120 >>We are not voting our way out our predicament.

A lot of Brits were probably thinking the exact same thing about the EU last week. And now nobody really knows where things are headed save for the idea that things are only headed one direction. Progressivism took a major shot last week, culturally and financially.

We too are on an unsustainable course and signs of dissatisfaction are everywhere, Trump not the least of them. Things will change. They always do. The only uncertainty is timing.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 10:42 AM (/tuJf)

121 Texit

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:42 AM (nSMEm)

122 It is only hurting Conservatives at the polls. A
clear majority of the Country is fine with killing their babies on
demand and not having to suffer any consequences of that.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)
Oh, but there are consequences.......

Posted by: God at June 27, 2016 10:43 AM (jxbfJ)

123 Roe vs. Wade and abortion, voluntary or not, aren't going anywhere, it's time to accept that fact and move on. Just my .02
Posted by: IP

Same with race quotas.

-
And socialism and guns.

Yeah, if we just give up on abortion, race quotas, socialism, and guns, we'll be sitting pretty.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 27, 2016 10:44 AM (Nwg0u)

124 "What is the math? Everyone in the world would fit with a 5 sq ft patch?"

I did the math several weeks ago, using one square foot for each human on the planet.

Even Rhode Island could hold everyone. With lots of room to spare.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:44 AM (ptqRm)

125 Abortion will remain rampant until the people hound it out of society.

The current state of "the people" does not bode well for this happening at any point within my lifespan.

We don't need a revolution, not alone. We need a Revival.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 10:45 AM (9krrF)

126 I did the math several weeks ago, using one square foot for each human on the planet.

Even Rhode Island could hold everyone. With lots of room to spare.



That was a good Star Trek episode.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:45 AM (evdj2)

127 121 Texit
Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:42 AM (nSMEm)

I would expect our progressive slavemasters in DC to go full Lincoln in such an event. Maybe not the bloodshed part, but I would expect them to use every other means at their disposal, legal or illegal, to punish severely Texas and its residents.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 10:45 AM (0mRoj)

128 David Cameron's speech was awesome. Imagine Barry ever giving a speech like that where he says, yeah I lost but I want to do everything I can to help my country during the transition?

Posted by: MSM at June 27, 2016 10:46 AM (0LHZx)

129 Give California back to Mexico. That would teach both of them to be careful about what they ask for, and it would solve a bunch of deportation problems over night. The proverbial 2 birds with one stone shot.

Posted by: goon at June 27, 2016 10:46 AM (WCaSy)

130
96 Why would a law enforcing basic standards of hygiene on abortion clinics be restricting access to their services? Has anyone asked why it seems impossible for abortion clinics to be run safely & cleanly? No other medical establishment, including veterinary practices, seem to have a hard time with basic sanitary requirements.
Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (7HtZB)
-----------------------

We're being told that Karpen committed crimes. He must have been violating existing laws requiring that "abortion clinics to be run safely & cleanly."

We're also being told that "Houston" wouldn't prosecute Karpen. Therefore, apparently, someone saw the solution not as to enforce existing laws, but as to write more restrictive laws.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 10:46 AM (pC96u)

131 Off MSN socks. Blegh.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 27, 2016 10:46 AM (0LHZx)

132 Well Golden Isis is #538 in free Kindle downloads and the promotion is ongoing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (y5tDv)

133 America didn't love Gosnell

They were horrified. They just don't know about Karpen. There is a reason the government media complex has suppressed the planned parenthood sting videos

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (zOTsN)

134 If you don't, all I can tell you is it's rather pointless suggesting those who do should just "move on."
Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:16 AM (TOk1P)
__________________________________


Go
ahead and fight your fight folks, but keep in mind it's also not for you to
question my belief in the divine any more than it is up to me to judge
yours. The second, yes, the very millisecond you do, you lose.
Do
I believe it to be horrific? Yes. Do I wish it were as rare as
possible? Yes again.
But will we, can we, change anyone's mind by
insulting their beliefs, or lack there of? Not a chance.
_______________________________

>>> The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

You hit it spot on.

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (Fol9S)

135 Not a fan of Cameron, but appreciate his candor and that in the jaws of defeat, he demonstrated class. Unlike certain petulant a**es that we all know and love (to hate).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (jxbfJ)

136 This is so demoralizing and depressing. A 20 wk or partial birth abortion ban won't stand for the same reason SCOTUS struck this one down until we get a conservative majority again if that ever happens. The one thing Congress could do now is to defund PP. They aren't even willing to do that.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (6IPEM)

137 Give California back to Mexico. That would teach both of them to be careful about what they ask for, and it would solve a bunch of deportation problems over night. The proverbial 2 birds with one stone shot.



2nd'ed!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (PrVhQ)

138 Everyone in the world would fit with a 5 sq ft patch?

1000 sq feet per person.

Posted by: math at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (2WoCi)

139 What is the math? Everyone in the world would fit with a 5 sq ft patch?

For 7 billion people, it's roughly 600 square miles, or the size of the island of Zanzibar. (Thus the source of the title of the novel Stand on Zanzibar.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (9krrF)

140 "Imagine Barry ever giving a speech like that where he says, yeah I lost but I want to do everything I can to help my country during the transition?"

Why would he want to do that?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (ptqRm)

141 Karpen sold fetal tissue. Karpen snapped the necks of babies born alive

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

142 Speaking of five-square-foot patches...

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (0mRoj)

143 Well, maybe it's time to take a step back and reevaluate the tactics involved in the abortion fight? Because, quite frankly, those of us that believe in any sort of restrictions at all have lost, and the deficit keeps growing.

We don't control the reporting, we don't control the culture. Perhaps its time to let them get a big fat dose of their policies in action? As reprehensible as that may be, this is where we're at.

I'm sure we can lose even more rights because of this albatross around our necks.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (sPO/s)

144 It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion issue alone.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

*****

Well, sure. Because that is totes what the Left does when they lose on an issue.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 27, 2016 10:49 AM (YLidQ)

145 Karpen performs late term abortions.

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:49 AM (zOTsN)

146 *searches desperately for remote to mute the Hell Beast*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 10:49 AM (1ZOkK)

147 141 Karpen sold fetal tissue. Karpen snapped the necks of babies born alive
Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

But it's totes cool. We should just give up, because reasons.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 10:49 AM (0mRoj)

148 Heeeeyyyyyyy....that's right. Only 78 more days until Elbows!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (r65B3)

149 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

No.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (mmU7u)

150 109


Hillary and Huma at the Gay Pride Parade.



When the walls fell.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
-----------------

There! Are! Four! Lights!

Posted by: Corona at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (ragzU)

151 I see SCOTUS screwed the pooch on guns and domestic violence misdemeanors.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (LWWrf)

152 *insert discourse on Single Issue vs Primary Issue voters here*

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (evdj2)

153 Karpen has killed women. The medical community covers up for him, looks the other way. Houston will not prosecute him.

This law was the only thing that limited the damage that Karpen and practice era like him cause

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (zOTsN)




And the left lauds this as protecting women's rights. Once again what's a few dead bodies when it comes to the agenda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (493sH)

154 If you don't, all I can tell you is it's rather pointless suggesting those who do should just "move on."
Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:16 AM (TOk1P)
__________________________________


Go
ahead and fight your fight folks, but keep in mind it's also not for you to
question my belief in the divine any more than it is up to me to judge
yours. The second, yes, the very millisecond you do, you lose.
Do
I believe it to be horrific? Yes. Do I wish it were as rare as
possible? Yes again.
But will we, can we, change anyone's mind by
insulting their beliefs, or lack there of? Not a chance.
_______________________________

>>> The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

You hit it spot on.


Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (Fol9S)



I don't really give a damn what you believe. You apparently don't understand the meaning of the word "if."


And you two clowns are the ones here trying to tell everyone else to "move on."


You are free to move anywhere you wish. Again, I don't give a damn what you do. And as to your advising me and others what we should do?


I won't use words here strongly enough to tell you where to shove it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

155 So basically it doesn't matter who Obama/Hillary appoint to SCOTUS. It's already a left wing court.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 27, 2016 10:52 AM (0LHZx)

156 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:52 AM (evdj2)

157 The chaos of Brexit is going to look like a day at the beach after Hillary takes over here. I think maybe the days of peaceful transition are in the rearview mirror.

Posted by: goon at June 27, 2016 10:52 AM (WCaSy)

158 We need a Jonah.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:53 AM (evdj2)

159 151 I see SCOTUS screwed the pooch on guns and domestic violence misdemeanors.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 27, 2016 10:50 AM (LWWrf)

Which is complete bullshit, not just because of 2nd amendment reasons, but because of the amount of domestic violence fraud, mandatory arrest and "primary aggressor" laws, and the white-knighting tendencies of many cops, prosecutors and judges.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 10:53 AM (0mRoj)

160 If Texas goes they will get about 5% of the US population and a dribble% from elsewhere in the world. Nearly all will come with money

Downside is Uncle Sam's claims in the state. They have outsized overpaid installations

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 10:53 AM (nSMEm)

161
Karpen sold fetal tissue. Karpen snapped the necks of babies born alive
Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:48 AM (zOTsN)
----------------------

Horrible. If the new laws were written to address Karpen's crimes, why did they cover sanitation and doctors' qualifications, not the sale of fetal tissue and late-term abortions and the neck-snapping of newborns?

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 10:53 AM (pC96u)

162 Even Rhode Island could hold everyone. With lots of room to spare.

-
You're gonna shoehorn Lena Dunham into one square foot?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (Nwg0u)

163 Filthy, unsafe facilities should be limited to strip joints and whorehouses.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


Congress?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (RFeQD)

164 The tatoo parlors here at Myrtle Beach need to relax their standards to the same that the supremes say abortion mills need to meet. EG the current sanitation standards for tattoo parlors in SC are unconstitutional. They must have no standards.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (mpXpK)

165 You don't have to be religious to find the practice of chopping babies up for convenience and profit to be abhorrent and to fight against it.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (0mRoj)

166 "There is only one thing worst than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."

James McNeill Whistler

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (AroJD)

167 It's like Hillary and Huma at the Gay Pride Parade.

Posted by: Fritz at June 27, 2016 10:34 AM (2Mnv1)




Fox Business showed a clip of her there. She looked like she was coughing up a lung. Maybe it was a hairball

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (493sH)

168 Personally, I think there should be as many safeguards in place effecting abortion purchasers as there are for handgun purchasers.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:55 AM (ptqRm)

169 160 If Texas goes they will get about 5% of the US population and a dribble% from elsewhere in the world. Nearly all will come with money

Downside is Uncle Sam's claims in the state. They have outsized overpaid installations


Uncle Sugar can sign a quit claim deed, or waste a shitload of blood and treasure trying to keep it.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 10:55 AM (PrVhQ)

170 "Congress?"

Covered under "Whorehouse"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:56 AM (ptqRm)

171 It's 11:00 AM. Do you know where your bartender is?!

Posted by: goon at June 27, 2016 10:56 AM (WCaSy)

172 Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 10:53 AM (pC96u)

The new law was to address a number of issues regard to the issue of reasonable abortion standards not presently in the law and not just about Karpen.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:56 AM (mmU7u)

173 I'm generally pro-choice, but I think this decision is ridiculous. You need higher standards for vet clinics than for abortion clinics. Something isn't right there.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 27, 2016 10:57 AM (0LHZx)

174 158 We need a Jonah.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:53 AM (evdj2)

He's over at NRO

Posted by: josephistan at June 27, 2016 10:57 AM (7HtZB)

175 People are driven to fuck.

It is built into our genes and it is not going to change.

Religions and morals come and go, but biology sticks around.

If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.

Work with the biology, not against it.

Posted by: eman at June 27, 2016 10:57 AM (MQEz6)

176 The prosecutor in Houston will not touch Karpen, but she will prosecute the activist who made the planned parenthood sting video

Does that provide a clue?

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 10:57 AM (zOTsN)

177 I won't use words here strongly enough to tell you where to shove it.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

____________________________


Meh, whatever, feel free to use whatever words you choose, I'm an adult. It's the internet. I was simply pointing out where this type of argument jumps the tracks, every time.
So, go on, I wish you peace in your quest.

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:58 AM (Fol9S)

178 The abortion issue is the perfect example of what I've been going on about for some time: We're not voting our way out of this. The fight is not political, it is cultural.

Time to change tactics. Actually time was decades ago, but because haaaaaaaaard we stuck to votes and bitching about judges.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 10:58 AM (9krrF)

179 "Something isn't right there."

We demand that Veterinary standards be lowered as well?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 10:58 AM (ptqRm)

180 Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 10:58 AM (evdj2)

181 Gosnell was such a frankly terrible doctor, I don't think he had practicing privileges at any hospital, because no one would have him.

That's a hurdle that bad doctors must get over.

The clear signal from this Court is that abortion is here and can't be abridged.

However, an enumerated right (the Second Amendment), can be.


The overall chasm of logic is quite frankly staggering. So, we also have to assume that logic is thrown out, too.

"Government" is going to soon come to Direct Action. Coming soon when Hillezebub is elected. Chew on that.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at June 27, 2016 10:58 AM (RFeQD)

182 Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 10:58 AM (Fol9S)

I assume you are pro-choice? Would that be correct?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:59 AM (mmU7u)

183 164
The tatoo parlors here at Myrtle Beach need to relax their standards to
the same that the supremes say abortion mills need to meet. EG the
current sanitation standards for tattoo parlors in SC are
unconstitutional. They must have no standards.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (mpXpK)
Vic -very good point.One thing I don't understand is why isn't the "right" out there getting in front of this. Get out there and say that this law was to try and make women's health safer?!! Use this abortionist Karpen and Gosnell as prime examples of why this effort was important!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 27, 2016 10:59 AM (jxbfJ)

184 If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.

Actually, what if I want neither? What if I see growing the numbers of the more responsible people as a tool for fixing our problem? What if I see reversing the decline in Western populations as a critical aspect in preserving and restoring the West?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:00 AM (9krrF)

185 "f you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means. "
Really stupid question here.


Abortion rates in Islamic countries?


Anybody know?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 11:00 AM (ptqRm)

186 I'm sensing a great opportunity for Whole Foods to expand their business along with tattoo parlors.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 11:00 AM (KUaJL)

187 Religions and morals come and go, but biology sticks around.

If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.

Work with the biology, not against it.



Vote FOR unsanitary and non sterile facilities!
Let biology and bacteria rule the day!
Sterile now. Sterile tomorrow. Sterile forever!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:01 AM (PrVhQ)

188 Few men have endured the sheer amount of official scorn, mockery, revilement, and unhinged criticism over the years that Farage has.

Welcome to the party, pal. Mrs. Palin has baked some cookies for us.

Posted by: Richard Nixon, Robert Bork, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Clarence Thomas, George W. Bush, and S at June 27, 2016 11:01 AM (XrN31)

189 I won't use words here strongly enough to tell you where to shove it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

Maybe just address the differences in your beliefs instead of calling them "clowns."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (Zu3d9)

190 167
Fox Business showed a clip of her there. She looked like she was coughing up a lung. Maybe it was a hairball

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (493sH)
Time for Huma to shave again?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (jxbfJ)

191 Arrangement in Pink: Whistler's Mothers abortion

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (4p3Tz)

192 Something I did not know, Spain has been without a government since December 20th. They had elections this weekend and still need to build a coalition to form a government.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (y5tDv)

193 In case anyone is wondering: you CAN (successfully) wash your keyboard in the dishwasher. No dish washing liquid, no heat dry. I dried mine on top of our dehumidifier vent. No more sticky kid food stuff.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (SeD0w)

194 Even if you are pro choice this is a bad ruling

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (zOTsN)

195 Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:01 AM (PrVhQ)


I'd agree, if it were not for Freedocare ensuring that I'm also going to be paying for the medical care resulting from the complications.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (KUaJL)

196 Whistler's engagement and marriage was a spur of the moment thing. A friend at a party suggested they marry, and they agreed on the spot. They were wed within a few days.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 27, 2016 11:03 AM (4p3Tz)

197 Nicely arched foot on the girl to the left. Whistler had a good eye for detail.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 27, 2016 11:03 AM (txdEq)

198 It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion
issue alone. Rightly or wrongly Roe vs. Wade set the right to an
abortion into stone, and anything anyone does to try and make it safer
or more rare is going to be attacked without mercy as trying to deny
that right.
===============================================


1. No.

2. So?

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (dFi94)

199 Hillary is giving a speech that seems totally tone deaf to what just happened in the UK. She is giving a speech that Bernie could have written.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (/tuJf)

200
The new law was to address a number of issues regard to the issue of reasonable abortion standards not presently in the law and not just about Karpen.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:56 AM (mmU7u)
-------------------------

Were existing laws inadequate regarding sanitation and quality of medical care for the women? Did women die or get sick or injured at extraordinary rates even when the existing laws were followed?

Look, I'll come out and say it: I suspect this law was a roundabout way to limit the number of abortions, not to ensure the health of women.

If you want to limit abortions, fine, but just say so instead of claiming you were doing it for health and safety of the women who were getting abortions -- whom most people here regard as murderers anyway.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (pC96u)

201 184 If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.

Actually, what if I want neither? What if I see growing the numbers of the more responsible people as a tool for fixing our problem? What if I see reversing the decline in Western populations as a critical aspect in preserving and restoring the West?
Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:00 AM (9krrF)

Then you have a long list of things to change.

Posted by: eman at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (MQEz6)

202 192 Something I did not know, Spain has been without a government since December 20th. They had elections this weekend and still need to build a coalition to form a government.
Posted by: Anna Puma



Um, hits hard about "needing a government" to run a country.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (PrVhQ)

203 Hey, I just wanted to thank everyone who bought "Wearing the Cat - Part One: Flaming Hoops" yesterday.

When I checked on Sunday night...

You bookish morons and 'ettes drove WTC - PO: FH to:

#4 in Kindle under Literary Fiction in Satire

#8 in Kindle under Humor in Satire

#11 in Kindle under Genre Fiction in Satire.


Thank you sincerely. Everyone of you rock!

I am not worthy!

*bows in general direction of Oregon and thus OregonMuse*

*bows in direction of Val-U-Rite Distillery and Paint Factory*


The Horde proves once again that it only comes in one flavor-

and that flavor is....AWESOMENESS!!!


....well Raspberry Awesomeness Crunch...

..but still.

A huge sincere thank you once again.

Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat - Part One: Flaming Hoops" at June 27, 2016 11:05 AM (HGtd0)

204 In my opinion the biggest slap was the unanimous McDonnell decision.

Liberals have been weaponizing their kangaroo courts to politically ruin people and demonize them. This is one of the subterfuges which is most dangerous and makes people rate the courts lower than dental surgery.

We now need something that rolls back the illegal administrative state.

Abortion? Well Democrats love them some abortion. They kill the old with their healthcare policies and euthanasia "rights". Why not just kill the rest of those who are defenseless and most vulnerable.

There is going to be a special little place in hell for Kennedy.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 27, 2016 11:05 AM (O0lVq)

205 Could we start a meme that abortion is actually a secret Republican plan to oppress and enslave the black population?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 11:07 AM (ptqRm)

206 187 Religions and morals come and go, but biology sticks around.

If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.

Work with the biology, not against it.



Vote FOR unsanitary and non sterile facilities!
Let biology and bacteria rule the day!
Sterile now. Sterile tomorrow. Sterile forever!
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:01 AM (PrVhQ)

You really thought that was what I was getting at?

Posted by: eman at June 27, 2016 11:07 AM (MQEz6)

207 I suspect this law was a roundabout way to limit the number of abortions, not to ensure the health of women.


Why? Clean your shit up slightly cleaner than a truck stop shitter and have privileges at a local hospital for when things go south.

Too hard?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:07 AM (PrVhQ)

208 I don't think this is such a difficult arguement. Frame it their way.

Why are poor women and minors be forced to use ill equipped and unsanitary facilities staffed by incompetent health care prividers

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:07 AM (zOTsN)

209 I won't use words here strongly enough to tell you where to shove it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

Maybe just address the differences in your beliefs instead of calling them "clowns."


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:02 AM (Zu3d9)



I was being told to move on by clowns who can't even read their own words and understand them.


It astounds me that people claim others should not tell people what to do, and do so while telling others what to do.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (TOk1P)

210 Then you have a long list of things to change.

Well, I didn't say it was quick or easy...but few worthwhile things are.

Of course I also recognize I'm one voice in the wilderness on this, even here. Which is the only reason I bring it up--maybe someone will look at it and think, and start their way back. But I try not to be obnoxious about it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (9krrF)

211 Apparently abortion is the only medical procedure that legislative bodies cannot impose minimum standards on.


Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (3Xxpy)

212 That umbrella one of the figures is holding looks Japanese style.

Is that supposed to be a Cherry Blossom Tree they're all standing around? It doesn't quite look right.

maybe a Dogwood?

Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat - Part One: Flaming Hoops" at June 27, 2016 11:09 AM (HGtd0)

213 You really thought that was what I was getting at?



#1. It was snark.
#2. I no longer give a shit if people want to destroy themselves.

Not getting in their way. Especially when they can't use "I didn't know" as an excuse.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:09 AM (PrVhQ)

214
Why? Clean your shit up slightly cleaner than a truck stop shitter and have privileges at a local hospital for when things go south.

Too hard?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:07 AM (PrVhQ)
----------------


That's why I need an answer to this question, which I'll repeat:

Were existing laws inadequate regarding sanitation and quality of medical care for the women? Did women die or get sick or injured at extraordinary rates even when the existing laws were followed?

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:09 AM (pC96u)

215 Could we start a meme that abortion is actually a secret Republican plan to oppress and enslave the black population?

The "stealth genocide" meme may be of use. Anyone else notice who's availing themselves of it and who isn't...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:09 AM (9krrF)

216 I would like to see laws passed saying that an abortion clinic must meet the sanitation standards required by salons that provide manicures, pedicures and waxing services.
Posted by: alexthechick
------------

Tattoo parlors.

Posted by: Da Plane! Da Plane! at June 27, 2016 11:09 AM (9mTYi)

217 Spain is still economically moribund with an overall unemployment rate of 21% and a 45% unemployment rate among the youth.

The two socialist parties have a total of 156 seats after the new elections which is still 20 short needed to form a government. The 'conservative' PP has 137 seats. And it seems like no one wants to form a coalition.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2016 11:10 AM (y5tDv)

218
192 Something I did not know, Spain has been without a government since December 20th. They had elections this weekend and still need to build a coalition to form a government.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Um, hits hard about "needing a government" to run a country.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT

You'd think they'd all be dead by now!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 11:10 AM (IqV8l)

219 I guess this will end liberals lawsuits for injury or death from "substandard" care- right? OR when the next Dr Mengele, like that monster from Philadelphia they quickly hushed up appears again?

Maybe one day liberals will figure out they've murdered a generation of their progeny. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep reproducing.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 27, 2016 11:11 AM (O0lVq)

220 Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (pC96u)


No the present laws did not address the minimal standards one would think would be reasonable for medical procedures.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:11 AM (mmU7u)

221 Look, I'll come out and say it: I suspect this law was a roundabout way to limit the number of abortions, not to ensure the health of women.

My family does volunteer work for an abortion alternative org (Thrive), and they keep tabs on how often ambulances are summoned to PP. It's an almost weekly occurrence. And PP tries to keep it under wraps, no sirens, p/u at the back of the facility. It's brutal. This is no small problem.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 27, 2016 11:11 AM (SeD0w)

222 It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion issue alone. Rightly or wrongly Roe vs. Wade set the right to an abortion into stone, and anything anyone does to try and make it safer or more rare is going to be attacked without mercy as trying to deny that right.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

Aaaannnd... this is why we're losing.

You think we should just give up, then?

Let me ask you this: Does the left ever give up? On anything?

If by some miracle the Obergefell decision went against them, do you think that the gay mafia wouldn't have worked another case up to SCOTUS within 6 months?

They fight and fight and fight and then they win, and then they declare the issue settled.

And unfortunately, they can get too many on our side to agree with them.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (XrN31)

223 Something I did not know, Spain has been without a government since December 20th. They had elections this weekend and still need to build a coalition to form a government.

If you go half a year without a government and nobody notices, what exactly does that say?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (9krrF)

224 I'm distressed that this Whistler thread has been hijacked by abortion. 'Bye y'all.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (4p3Tz)

225
210 Then you have a long list of things to change.

Well, I didn't say it was quick or easy...but few worthwhile things are.

Of course I also recognize I'm one voice in the wilderness on this, even here. Which is the only reason I bring it up--maybe someone will look at it and think, and start their way back. But I try not to be obnoxious about it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (9krrF)

I'm actually with you on this one.

Here are some ideas.

Build a wall and kick out the illegals.

Lower the age of marriage to 16.

Give tax breaks to companies that hire people using certificates of training rather than college degrees.

More jobs, more marriages for young Americans.

That equals more babies.

Posted by: eman at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (MQEz6)

226 So, what will happen now to the four states that have laws passed on the books requiring that abortion clinics have the same standards as any other clinics. Michigan is one of them.

I guess now the abortion supporters will sue to have them struck down.

You know, I'm fine with this. I'm not fine with the decision, because states used to be left alone to regulate it's medical facilities, licensing of professionals, etc.

What I don't want to see is the Supreme Court coming back and edicting that all hospitals MUST perform abortions, including Catholic hospitals, etc.
So, I say, let every out of work car salesman take a weekend course on abortions, open his little shop, and then have at it. A bunch of women die, I really don't care anymore.


Until we have an article V convention and term limits, etc. on these assholes on the Supreme Court, this will continue. As the three conservative judges wrote, the court currently will do everything it can to protect abortion, twisting law into nonesense in order to maintain as many abortion clinics as possible.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (PiuBB)

227 Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (TOk1P)

Reasoned argument is better than ad hominem attacks.

As I said...calling them clowns isn't productive.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (Zu3d9)

228 132 Well Golden Isis is #538 in free Kindle downloads and the promotion is ongoing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2016 10:47 AM (y5tDv)

I just downloaded it, Anna. It's now on my to do list.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (gyKtp)

229 Yup. People forget just how diverse his works were and how diversified his talents were to be able to do that range.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 27, 2016 10:18 AM (mf5HN)

I love the peacock room at the freer gallery...

Posted by: Lea at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (lIU4e)

230 "f you go half a year without a government and nobody notices, what exactly does that say?"

That your previous form of Government was very non-impacting to the average citizens life?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (ptqRm)

231 Were existing laws inadequate regarding sanitation and quality of medical care for the women? Did women die or get sick or injured at extraordinary rates even when the existing laws were followed?



Obviously so.
Governments usually don't waste time re-writing effective laws.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (PrVhQ)

232 166 "There is only one thing worst than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."

James McNeill Whistler


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 27, 2016 10:54 AM (AroJD)

Nope that was one of Oscar Wilde's. This is one of Whistler's:

Wilde heard a witticism and said, "I wish I had said that."
Whistler: "You will, Oscar, you will."


(Look up Monty Python's Oscar Wilde skit on You Tube, it's great.)

Love Whistler's paintings. The man himself was not the easiest person to get along with - but then few artists are.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 11:14 AM (u0lmX)

233 I assume you are pro-choice? Would that be correct?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 10:59 AM (mmU7u)
_________________________________


I
was once incredibly pro-life, and I still am albeit less so. It has a
valid medical purpose, whether I like it or not. But I certainly don't
feel it should be voluntary. After years of watching this fight go on,
always being fought the same way to no progress, that to says the tactics aren't
working.

eman said it, work with biology. People young, old, rich, and poor are gonna get pregnant. It's a fact. What do you think you can do about that in the courts? We have laws against drugs and murder, how's that working out?

>>>If the new laws were written to address Karpen's crimes, why did they
cover sanitation and doctors' qualifications, not the sale of fetal
tissue and late-term abortions and the neck-snapping of newborns?

^^^^^ I wondered this too.

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 11:14 AM (Fol9S)

234
Apparently abortion is the only medical procedure that legislative bodies cannot impose minimum standards on.


Posted by: Kreplach at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (3Xxpy)
------------------

Okay, I finally found a few snippets from the opinion.

>>Texas law had previously
required an abortion facility to maintain a written protocol
"for managing medical emergencies and the transfer of
patients requiring further emergency care to a hospital."

>>"The great weight of evidence demonstrates that,
before the act's passage, abortion in Texas was extremely
safe with particularly low rates of serious complications
and virtually no deaths occurring on account of the procedure."


From page 6 in a 100-page document. Haven't gotten further yet.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:14 AM (pC96u)

235 I'm distressed that this Whistler thread has been hijacked by abortion. 'Bye y'all.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (4p3Tz)

It's an open thread. No hijacking has occurred.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:14 AM (mmU7u)

236 184 If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.
_____________

If you really want to reduce the number of abortions, stop subsidizing it, and make sure women who get abortions are required to pay at least several hundred dollars, in cash (i.e., no welfare, Medicaid, etc.) for the procedures, no exceptions.

When abortions are no longer "free" to consumers, the demand for them will drop sharply, as females of child-bearing years will start using cheaper contraception methods to keep from taking the hit to their income.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 27, 2016 11:15 AM (NnYnv)

237 Jen

No bargain has been struck. I have very little doubt that facilities that accept Obamacare will be required to perform abortion. Zero doubt that's coming. Zero

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:15 AM (zOTsN)

238 Standing for a principle for which you are mocked, then standing down from that principle because you are mocked, well ... it's not much of a principle then, is it?


Sane people know instinctively in their hearts that dismembering babies and tearing their limbs apart, then selling those parts to the highest bidder is wrong. They just don't want to be told it is wrong. Of what importance is it to me whether I'm mocked or not?


Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:15 AM (dFi94)

239 As a younger man, especially after the Ken Burns (spit!) series on the Civil War (War of Northern Aggression for you purists), I often wondered how the nation could have come to the point of civil war. Was slavery really the only sticking point? Obviously no. A big one, not the only one. But what else could have driven so many states to say, Eff You, and cut themselves loose.

And now, after the intervening years have added age and some wisdom (what has stuck, anyway), and in particular the last seven years of the JEF, I now understand how things got to where they were in 1864. I obviously wasn't here then (Vic help me out here), but I can't help but believe this must have been what it felt like.

And I don't like it. But I don't know how to fix it.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 27, 2016 11:15 AM (ND7OQ)

240 Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:14 AM (pC96u)

What part of the new law are you against?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:15 AM (mmU7u)

241
Were existing laws inadequate regarding sanitation and quality of medical care for the women? Did women die or get sick or injured at extraordinary rates even when the existing laws were followed?



Obviously so.
Governments usually don't waste time re-writing effective laws.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (PrVhQ)
----------------------

Governments don't write unnecessary laws?
o.........k............

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:16 AM (pC96u)

242 what is not reported doesn't not exist

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (zOTsN)

243 Re: Spain. What it says is that once the bureaucracy is entrenched, the elected government is nothing more than window dressing.

Most of the western governments of the world are nothing more than oligarchies with a democratic facade. Maybe even all; not that I can think of one that isn't.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (sPO/s)

244 (Look up Monty Python's Oscar Wilde skit on You Tube, it's great.)
Love Whistler's paintings. The man himself was not the easiest person to get along with - but then few artists are.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 11:14 AM (u0lmX)

"Your Majesty is like a stream of bats' piss."

"What I meant was, you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark."

(and that was from memory)

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (XrN31)

245 I'm actually with you on this one.

Here are some ideas.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of influencing the culture by other means that eventually leads to proper laws.

Honestly, I'm shocked I have to explain this, but here goes.

Those laws we get passed get knocked down because judges. Those judges are there because other politicians. Those politicians are there because people, people who vote, people who care more about "getting theirs" and keeping up with the Kardashians than leading anything resembling a moral life that amounts to anything. They care about self-gratification and damn the future.

That is what has to change. No law will change it.

Harder to do...but much more powerful result.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (9krrF)

246 *serves the Empress a peach Hateshake*

Perhaps the management should take under advisement the suggestion that there should be an Art thread with with a contemporaneous Open thread so the streams don't cross and Mecha-Lena is not born.

Would that be a worthwhile suggestion?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (y5tDv)

247 200 Were existing laws inadequate regarding sanitation
and quality of medical care for the women? Did women die or get sick or
injured at extraordinary rates even when the existing laws were
followed?



Look, I'll come out and say it: I suspect this law was a roundabout
way to limit the number of abortions, not to ensure the health of women.



If you want to limit abortions, fine, but just say so instead of
claiming you were doing it for health and safety of the women who were
getting abortions -- whom most people here regard as murderers anyway.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:04 AM (pC96u)

You and a damn lot of other commenters on here are not adequately reading what the issue here is. In TX when this law was passed, as in most States, THERE ARE NO STANDARDS.
This law was meant to establish minimum clinical standards LIKE EVERY OTHER GD MEDICAL FACILITY HAS.
It was NOT written to prohibit abortions. Sure, some of those fly-by-night mills would have to shut down. But they NEED to shut down if they can't meet the same standards a damn dog pound has.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (mpXpK)

248 Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:16 AM (pC96u)

Why did you change what he said?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (mmU7u)

249 Off, conservative pantheon sock!

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:18 AM (XrN31)

250 Good old Kennedy... Yeh, it's an "un-due" burden on Womens rights to require abortion clinics to meet the standards of regular surgical centers and have Hospital privileges if something goes wrong...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:18 AM (O2RFr)

251 We must keep abortion free and easily available. For the children.

Posted by: Beams crossing at June 27, 2016 11:18 AM (9mTYi)

252 I keep seeing this "Abortion clinics arent required to be as clean as a Vet's office" argument thrown around.
Can anybody prove this. Like with real facts and not some quote?
Somebody has to be able to prove there are no clenliness laws on the books already to be believed.

Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 11:19 AM (Fol9S)

253 Governments don't write unnecessary laws?
o.........k............




They don't waste time re-writing EFFECTIVE laws.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:19 AM (PrVhQ)

254 236 184 If you really seek to reduce the number of abortions, push for contraception and relief by other means.
_____________

If you really want to reduce the number of abortions, stop subsidizing it, and make sure women who get abortions are required to pay at least several hundred dollars, in cash (i.e., no welfare, Medicaid, etc.) for the procedures, no exceptions.

When abortions are no longer "free" to consumers, the demand for them will drop sharply, as females of child-bearing years will start using cheaper contraception methods to keep from taking the hit to their income.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 27, 2016 11:15 AM (NnYnv)

I think it would help, but how would you get that if you can't even get laws that make them clean they tools?

Posted by: eman at June 27, 2016 11:19 AM (MQEz6)

255 Posted by: eman at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (MQEz6)
=====

The problem with your whole premise is that the 'government' gets to set what 'they' want. What happened to individuals making private decisions (including what, if any, medical care to use). That is where the whole discussion breaks down -- accepting the premise that the government decides. Tomorrow, a law could be floated that 'ugly' people must have plastic surgery -- it is a 'right', after all to have plastic surgery and somehow, someway, 'government' must support it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (MIKMs)

256 the Stalinists ginned up phony charges against McDonnel, just in time to sway the VA gov election, and now charges overturned. Yeah.

Reminds of what they did to Delay.

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (Ffw22)

257 The Houston prosecutor will not prosecute Karpen, so existing laws do not work.

The state governs facility requirements. That's why this tactic was chosen

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (zOTsN)

258
Here's a little more from the opinion:

"Abortion, as regulated by the State before the enactment
of House Bill 2, has been shown to be much safer,
in terms of minor and serious complications, than many
common medical procedures not subject to such intense
regulation and scrutiny." 46 F. Supp. 3d, at 684; see, e.g.,
App. 223--224 (describing risks in colonoscopies), 254
(discussing risks in vasectomy and endometrial biopsy,
among others), 275--277 (discussing complication rate in
plastic surgery).

12. "Additionally, risks are not appreciably lowered for
patients who undergo abortions at ambulatory surgical
centers as compared to nonsurgical-center facilities." 46
F. Supp. 3d, at 684; App. 202--206, 257--259.

13. "[W]omen will not obtain better care or experience
more frequent positive outcomes at an ambulatory surgical center as compared to a previously licensed facility."

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (pC96u)

259 " Good old Kennedy... Yeh, it's an "un-due" burden on Womens rights to require abortion clinics to meet the standards of regular surgical centers and have Hospital privileges if something goes wrong..."


Really looking forward to Kennedy's opinion of undue burden on gun ownership laws next.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (ptqRm)

260 It was NOT written to prohibit abortions.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (mpXpK)

That's ridiculous.

Of course it was written with the intent to decrease the number of abortions.

Whether those who supported it had other reasons, such as an honest interest in minimum standards? I have no doubt they did.

But to pretend that this wasn't a salvo in the abortion wars is disingenuous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:21 AM (Zu3d9)

261

Karpens facility in Houston had a raw sewage leak. And kept performing abortions during that time


Seems like a problem to me

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:21 AM (zOTsN)

262 I agree AND disagree with the SC ruling on abortion.

I disagree that expecting clinics to have minimum health standards is too burdensome; I am curious if the SC left that door open to some kind of lesser standard.

I do agree with the court on the admitting privileges thingy; this rule is intended to make it impossible for clinics to operate at all. Don't believe me on this? Let me share this 1st paragraph from a 2013 Fox News article:

JACKSON, Miss. - Mississippi's only abortion clinic missed a Friday deadline to comply with a 2012 state law that requires each of its physicians to get hospital admitting privileges -- a law the governor said he signed with the hopes of shutting the clinic down.

And of course there was much pressure brought to bear (read that as we will take away that sweet sweet state money if you don't comply) to every Jackson area hospital to NOT extend admitting privileges to any abortion doc.

Look, we object vigorously to any attempt to lawfare away our 2nd Amendment rights...

How is this different?

Answer -- It's not. Abortions are legal too. Phil Bryant admitted that he was trying to lawfare the last MS clinic out of business.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 11:21 AM (gyKtp)

263
The Houston prosecutor will not prosecute Karpen, so existing laws do not work.
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No, the Houston prosecutor does not work. How is the solution to a non-prosecuting prosecutor more laws? By the very terms of the argument, that's no solution.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:21 AM (pC96u)

264 the Stalinists ginned up phony charges against McDonnel, just in time to sway the VA gov election, and now charges overturned. Yeah.

Reminds of what they did to Delay.
Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (Ffw22)

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.... and Palin

Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 11:22 AM (8XRCm)

265 259 " Good old Kennedy... Yeh, it's an "un-due" burden on Womens rights to require abortion clinics to meet the standards of regular surgical centers and have Hospital privileges if something goes wrong..."


Really looking forward to Kennedy's opinion of undue burden on gun ownership laws next.
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And to think Kennedy was runner up. Bork would have been so much better.

Weak dick republicans caved to the likes of t. kennedy(rih).

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:22 AM (Ffw22)

266 Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 11:19 AM (Fol9S)

You know this has been debated for a couple of years now. That you are just now aware of it and taking your high minded stance doesn't mean we have to hold your hand and present all of our evidence again for your convenience.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:23 AM (mmU7u)

267 Listen, some of you are showing willful ignorance by assuming that most abortion clinics are clean and safe. Go read up on what the Gosnell clinic looked like. That's what this law was designed to prevent from happening. In TX, as ThunderB has mentioned on this thread repeatedly, they have their own Gosnell. That is what this law was passed to prevent from happening again. These houses of horrors need to be shut down.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 27, 2016 11:23 AM (6IPEM)

268 The SCOTUS opinion on the Texas abortion law is depressing.

I don't think pro-choice conservative/libertarians have ever realized that it is this issue, more than anything else that has damned us. Not just in terms of SCOTUS fights and bitter litmus tests.

Why do you think the left has fought so passionately for both pro-abort policies and amnesty? Without immigration, they would be doomed by demographics, since conservatives tend to have more children than liberals. 40% of all pregnancies in NYC end in abortion. If your constituents are going to kill that many babies in the womb, you've got to get new voters from somewhere. With amnesty in place, the Dems don't have to reform any abortion laws.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 11:23 AM (u0lmX)

269 Yeah I'm walking away from this thread as it is making me want to see the new Ghostbusters movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2016 11:23 AM (y5tDv)

270 But to pretend that this wasn't a salvo in the abortion wars is disingenuous.

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I think it can have dual purposes.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:23 AM (gmeXX)

271 Whatever happened to "safe, legal and rare?" Seems to me that this law took into consideration all three legs of that stool. Run a safe medical facility, therefore the clinics are legal, and by kicking out the bad clinics, only the good clinics are left, so much more rare. Doesn't this pretty much fit their slogan?

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:24 AM (dFi94)

272 264 the Stalinists ginned up phony charges against McDonnel, just in time to sway the VA gov election, and now charges overturned. Yeah.

Reminds of what they did to Delay.
Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:20 AM (Ffw22)

Where does he go to get His life back... Thanks for giving Virginia McCauliff (SP .)

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:24 AM (O2RFr)

273 That's why I need an answer to this question, which I'll repeat:

Were existing laws inadequate regarding sanitation and quality of medical care for the women? Did women die or get sick or injured at extraordinary rates even when the existing laws were followed?
Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:09 AM (pC96u)

You realize that "existing laws" are being lawfared out for abortion clinics.

I think what the vast majority of Americans do not understand is exactly what happens in an abortion. They think that women walk into a clinic. are given a valium, put their feet up in stirrups and while Yanni music is playing in the background, someone in a white coat inserts a slender vacuum cleaner up their vagina and through an open easy access cervical opening, and slurp, five minutes later the contents of the uterus are in the drain, and that's it. One sanitary pad and a Rx for birth control pills and they are out the door.

Why? Because when people try to film what goes on in an abortion , they end up in jail. If an ultrasound is the law, it is struck down because it would 'undue influence" the woman to maybe not have an abortion.
So most people do not realize that performing an abortion requires sedation, anesthetic, drugs to open the cervix, removal with metal spoon like instruments of the contents of the uterus, including scraping the walls of the uterus,(that can't be seen, all this is done by "feel") and then the woman's body, which was pregnant an hour ago, now has been thrown into a non pregnant state.

We don't want to regulate or require minimum standards for these places though , because it might end up blocking someone unqualified from performing abortions.




Posted by: Jen the original at June 27, 2016 11:24 AM (PiuBB)

274 >>>268 The SCOTUS opinion on the Texas abortion law is depressing.

I don't think pro-choice conservative/libertarians have ever realized that it is this issue, more than anything else that has damned us. Not just in terms of SCOTUS fights and bitter litmus tests.

Why do you think the left has fought so passionately for both pro-abort policies and amnesty? Without immigration, they would be doomed by demographics, since conservatives tend to have more children than liberals. 40% of all pregnancies in NYC end in abortion. If your constituents are going to kill that many babies in the womb, you've got to get new voters from somewhere. With amnesty in place, the Dems don't have to reform any abortion laws.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 11:23 AM (u0lmX)

___________________

On the plus side, this means that once the Great Wall of Trump is built we can demographically grind the left into irrevelance

Posted by: TeamRawDog at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (10hEu)

275 How is this different?

Answer -- It's not. Abortions are legal too. Phil Bryant admitted that he was trying to lawfare the last MS clinic out of business.
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Mainly it's different because slaughtering children isn't a God-given right.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (3Liv/)

276 260 But to pretend that this wasn't a salvo in the abortion wars is disingenuous.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:21 AM (Zu3d9)

If that is the case then every news report I have seen on this case and the the law is lying.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (mpXpK)

277 271 Whatever happened to "safe, legal and rare?" Seems to me that this law took into consideration all three legs of that stool. Run a safe medical facility, therefore the clinics are legal, and by kicking out the bad clinics, only the good clinics are left, so much more rare. Doesn't this pretty much fit their slogan?
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:24 AM (dFi94)

"Safe, legal and rare" is an empty slogan meant to put a humanitarian veneer on a barbaric practice, but you already knew that.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (0mRoj)

278 Common sense abortion control is out? Expanded medical background checks plus health and safety checks are out? Gwarsh.

Posted by: Count de Monet TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (JO9+V)

279 264.... and Palin
Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 11:22 AM (8XRCm)
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Exactly. In my mind, I have no doubt mcasshole chose her for the purpose of precisely what they did to her.

She was too popular and a rising star before she got the "treatment"

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:26 AM (Ffw22)

280 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (mpXpK)

Right....

So now the media are paragons of honesty, integrity and evenhandedness.

Got it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:26 AM (Zu3d9)

281 275 How is this different?

Answer -- It's not. Abortions are legal too. Phil Bryant admitted that he was trying to lawfare the last MS clinic out of business.
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Mainly it's different because slaughtering children isn't a God-given right.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (3Liv/)

Nor is it expressly enshrined in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It's something SCOTUS pulled out of its ass

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:26 AM (0mRoj)

282 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:21 AM (Zu3d9)

Is parental notification laws also an attempt to reduce the number of abortions or is it just the right thing to do?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:26 AM (mmU7u)

283
Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:16 AM (pC96u)

Why did you change what he said?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:17 AM (mmU7u)
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Here, I'll rewrite what he said:

Governments usually don't waste time re-writing effective laws.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (PrVhQ)
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And my response:

o............k............

Please see my #258.

Existing laws were effective, but they weren't enforced in Karpen's case.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

284 Are Tijuana abortion facilities cleaner than Texas facilities?

Maybe not. But now, they won't be dirtier.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:27 AM (PrVhQ)

285 Can anybody prove this. Like with real facts and not some quote?
Somebody has to be able to prove there are no clenliness laws on the books already to be believed.
Posted by: IP
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It transcends that. It also speaks to the competence and engagement of the doctors involved. Would you chose to have a surgical procedure by someone who does not have admitting privilege at the local hospital(s)?

If something goes wrong, the staff are left to call 911 and hope that the emergency room takes care of things. It happens more often than we know.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2016 11:27 AM (9mTYi)

286 Said my piece and I'm done. Sorry I even engaged in this one, even if I think it's a fight that needs to be fought. But it seems sometimes we're more willing to fight each other than anything else.

Later, Horde.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 27, 2016 11:27 AM (9krrF)

287 Rightly or wrongly Roe vs. Wade set the right to an abortion into stone, and anything anyone does to try and make it safer or more rare is going to be attacked without mercy as trying to deny that right.

And yet despite Heller, the Left is driven to limit access to guns (and our second amendment) so that we can all be safer.


Posted by: McCool at June 27, 2016 11:28 AM (TQxRy)

288 but you already knew that.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (0mRoj)
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Yeah, I know. Just like to practice shouting from my soapbox.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:28 AM (dFi94)

289 I know sadly abortion is here to stay... That being said I don't see where this "law" would have changed that... Maybe it would have caused some clinics to close down because of safety issues but other than that i don't see a problem.

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:28 AM (O2RFr)

290 Time for me to go back to my book before I get mad and get banned.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (mpXpK)

291 "Safe, legal and rare" is an empty slogan meant to put a humanitarian veneer on a barbaric practice, but you already knew that.
Posted by: Insomniac

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I think we are down to 'legal'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (9mTYi)

292 I was sort of hoping that the Brexit wouldn't be the only good thing to come out of this summer.

Not looking very promising right now, though.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (KUaJL)

293 Existing laws were effective, but they weren't enforced in Karpen's case.



Then they weren't effective, were they?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (PrVhQ)

294 288 but you already knew that.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (0mRoj)
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Yeah, I know. Just like to practice shouting from my soapbox.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:28 AM (dFi94)

Keep it up, you're doing a great job!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (0mRoj)

295
Sidebar: Matt Walsh on Twitter "The Left has only met two industries it doesn't want to regulate: Abortion and porn." Link to the decision here.




The left is rather keen on regulating porn. In Blue States and cities, we have mandatory condom use, HIV testing, ID checks and quite a few other laws.

That would be the feminist influence and their good porn/bad porn fixation.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (kdS6q)

296 222
It is high time for everyone to take a step back and let the abortion
issue alone. Rightly or wrongly Roe vs. Wade set the right to an
abortion into stone, and anything anyone does to try and make it safer
or more rare is going to be attacked without mercy as trying to deny
that right.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 27, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

Aaaannnd... this is why we're losing.

You think we should just give up, then?

Let me ask you this: Does the left ever give up? On anything?

If
by some miracle the Obergefell decision went against them, do you think
that the gay mafia wouldn't have worked another case up to SCOTUS
within 6 months?

They fight and fight and fight and then they win, and then they declare the issue settled.

And unfortunately, they can get too many on our side to agree with them.
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Conservatives keep playing by the rules and can't figure out why they keep losing.
Never doubting that the very rules themselves are the reason they are losing.

Abortion and 2nd Amendment rights are the ONLY thing the state Republicans have been able to win on.

And you're calling for surrender?

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (77emZ)

297 Rightly or wrongly Roe vs. Wade set the right to an abortion into stone, and anything anyone does to try and make it safer or more rare is going to be attacked without mercy as trying to deny that right.

And yet despite Heller, the Left is driven to limit access to guns (and our second amendment) so that we can all be safer.

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Rightly or wrongly Koramatsu set the right of government to lock up American citizens just because they are from a certain country in stone.

What are you going to do?

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:30 AM (gmeXX)

298 People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

299 298 People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?

Because abortion is the lefts Holy grail...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (O2RFr)

300 What are you going to do?


Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:30 AM (gmeXX)


Shoot the hostage. Whoops, sorry, wrong movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (0mRoj)

301 Texit...if Trump doesn't win.
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Query-would abortion be permitted in a free Republic of Texas?

Because a constitutional ban right off the top would be a good start to preventing the wrong sort of people of mucking it up the way they have this country.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 27, 2016 11:32 AM (3Liv/)

302 If a city prosecutor refuses to protect the citizenry does the state have an obligation to act

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:32 AM (zOTsN)

303 People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

Yeah i wanna know the answer to that too!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 11:32 AM (zp+j1)

304 Welp.

Looks like i parachuted into another moron circular firing squad.

I'll mention my thanks another time.

*engages jetpack*

Posted by: naturalfake at June 27, 2016 11:33 AM (HGtd0)

305 Where does he go to get His life back... Thanks for giving Virginia McCauliff (SP .)
Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:24 AM (O2RFr)
________________

Hopefully he can work on that and move forward.

Ken C., would have been a great gov. Like to see him try again, or even in another capacity.

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:33 AM (Ffw22)

306 303 People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

Yeah i wanna know the answer to that too!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 11:32 AM (zp+j1)

Well quit practicing illegal dentistry, ya idjit!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:33 AM (0mRoj)

307 Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:08 AM (TOk1P)

Reasoned argument is better than ad hominem attacks.

As I said...calling them clowns isn't productive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:13 AM (Zu3d9)


Your opinion is noted.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:33 AM (TOk1P)

308 Is parental notification laws also an attempt to reduce the number of abortions or is it just the right thing to do?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:26 AM (mmU7u)

Both.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:34 AM (Zu3d9)

309 I am so grateful that President Obama put a wise Latina on the Supreme Court so she could help ensure that ALL women (cis & trans) have access to adequate health care so they can decide whether or not to abort THEIR fetuses regardless of what some CIS-MEN try to tell them!! And if the Rethuglikkkan Congress would approve President Obama's very moderate pick, we could have more progress towards a better society where we don't have to worry about scary noises, machine guns, destruction of Gaia, gas guzzling assault SUVs, heteronormative caucaso-Americans, Bible thumpers, and gigantic redneck inbred families!!! I look forward to the election of Hillary where every woman can get an abortion any damn time she feels like it, especially if it interferes with her ambitions!!! Where are my pink Nikes?

Posted by: Bratty Steinenclog from Marlboro, Vermont at June 27, 2016 11:34 AM (oGQLL)

310 Abortion and 2nd Amendment rights are the ONLY thing the state Republicans have been able to win on.

And you're calling for surrender?


Posted by: RoyalOil
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I noticed that too. TGWS also said not to worry about firearm confiscation after they are banned. Starting to think I should ignore his or her posts.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 27, 2016 11:34 AM (jtStN)

311 This law made shitty clinics close. It's really not a pro or anti abortion issue. It's a health issue

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:34 AM (zOTsN)

312 People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?

Because they may put lead and silver fillings in the drain and pollute the environment !!!!

What would we do without proper amalgam waste management !!!

Posted by: McCool at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (TQxRy)

313 Your opinion is noted.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:33 AM (TOk1P)

You want to be smug? have at it. But don't make ad hominem attacks on other commenters or you will be banned.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (Zu3d9)

314 Why is that?

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)
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Because Leftism is a death cult. I'm not exaggerating for effect. At the end of every Leftist policy or goal, there is Death. I think it's demonic, but I think even a non-religious person can see that the way of the Left always ends in death. Always. They want you dead. It's the logical conclusion of every single progressive ideal.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (dFi94)

315
It transcends that. It also speaks to the competence and engagement of the doctors involved. Would you chose to have a surgical procedure by someone who does not have admitting privilege at the local hospital(s)?



Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2016 11:27 AM (9mTYi)

I have heard from more than one OB/GYN that the people who become FT abortionists are the lazy and most mediocre docs in the business.

Abortions are (generally speaking) not medically difficult procedures. If your conscience is dead, it's an easy way to make good money.

You don't have to develop ongoing relationships with your patients, the way a real OB/GYN does, nor do you have to go to the hospital at 2 am to deliver babies. You can keep banker's hours and the women you "care" for are no more real to you than the babies you chop up.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (u0lmX)

316 : Bratty Steinenclog from Marlboro, Vermont at

I was laughing till I realized everything You said was true...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (O2RFr)

317 275 Mainly it's different because slaughtering children isn't a God-given right.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 27, 2016 11:25 AM (3Liv/)

And the 2nd Amendment is? I avoided, on purpose, any argument about whether abortions should be legal at all.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (gyKtp)

318 Somebody has to be able to prove there are no clenliness laws on the books already to be believed.
Posted by: IP at June 27, 2016 11:19 AM (Fol9S)

Women having an abortion are having a surgical procedure. Right now, 46 states do not require the person performing the abortions to have admitting privileges(meaning the asshole has a minimum standard of competency proven by board exams, history of complaints, etc. ) in order to assembly line abortions. So when abortionist perforates the uterus, or woman who has serious coke habit is seizuring from coke and anesthetic, all abortion clinic does is call 911. City ambulance, whatever comes, hauls patient to city hospital, and docs there are on their own.

Explain to me why someone performing abortions CANNOT gain admitting privileges to a hospital, therefore developing a relationship with that hospital, regular communication with it, etc.
The reason is because they are unqualified.

But let's let them do surgery all day long on women because after all, we wouldn't want to regulate or restrict a surgical procedure that the left adores.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 27, 2016 11:36 AM (PiuBB)

319 I appreciate the support of the Supreme Court and would like to know when I'm getting out.

Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at June 27, 2016 11:36 AM (Mt8T4)

320 Query-would abortion be permitted in a free Republic of Texas?



After birth up to the 228th trimester.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:36 AM (PrVhQ)

321
Existing laws were effective, but they weren't enforced in Karpen's case.



Then they weren't effective, were they?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:29 AM (PrVhQ)
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Okay, if there's a city with a lousy prosecutor, keep her in place but write tons more laws. Apply that to everything. For instance: if the prosecutor fails to prosecute a guy who stole a t.v., require all t.v. stores to have 24-hour surveillance with armed guards, and require all t.v.s to have serial numbers registered with the FBI.

But first see #258. The laws were effective.

I'm out of this thread, too.

Posted by: iforgot at June 27, 2016 11:37 AM (pC96u)

322 Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (gyKtp)

Yes.

The 2nd Amendment codifies our God-given right to possess arms for self defense and to resist tyranny.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:37 AM (Zu3d9)

323 298 People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

Because abortion, and not dentistry, has been enshrined as a constitutional right. We're lucky that handing out abortions for free is not legally mandated.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:37 AM (XrN31)

324 Seriously. You hear of people practicing illegal dentistry getting prosecuted in Texas. The thinking is to protect the health of the poor who are the subjects of this often terrible "care". Yet, take the exact some populace, give them to Karpen, and it will be ignored

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:37 AM (zOTsN)

325 We're lucky that handing out abortions for free is not legally mandated.

Yet....

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:38 AM (O2RFr)

326 Seems there are some closet abortion supporters about. That's disappointing.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:38 AM (0mRoj)

327 Somebody has to be able to prove there are no clenliness laws on the books already to be believed.
Posted by: IP
****

Then you'll move the goalposts again.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 27, 2016 11:38 AM (jtStN)

328 Huh. Checking pockets of husband's shorts before tossing in washing machine, and I discover a $100 bill.

Should I consider it a tip?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (1ZOkK)

329 320 Query-would abortion be permitted in a free Republic of Texas?



After birth up to the 228th trimester.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:36 AM (PrVhQ)

But only if they need killin'.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (0mRoj)

330 Seems there are some closet abortion supporters about. That's disappointing.

I'm personally against it... Both My Kids who are Conservatives aren't.... I'm just from the wrong era I guess...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

331 Heh. I've got the first Black Sabbath album cranked up as I'm reading this thread. Seems fitting.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (XrN31)

332
People practicing illegal dentistry get more scrutiny than abortion providers. Why is that?

Is it safe?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (IqV8l)

333 So happy for Baltimore making number 1, what a great achievement. I'll be there the weekend after the 4th. We will be in the city on Sunday morning, hopefully all the gang bangers are sleeping if off. We did the same trip to cities like Newark, Camden, and all the other great east coast cities. Usually pretty peaceful at 8 am Sunday.

Posted by: Colin at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (HQP2c)

334 Should I consider it a tip?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (1ZOkK)
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Shoe money. Automatic.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (dFi94)

335 I really dont understand how the EU got so corrupt and why they are shocked that so many people want out

Common Market - great idea
EU with it's unelected embezzling bureaucrats who micro manage everyone's lives - bad idea.

In the early 90s when the EU was just coming to fruition, I saw all the building they were erecting for the bureaucrats and you could tell even then too much money was being spent and palms were being greased. The they hired all the commies who had become greens for jobs. smh

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (iQIUe)

336
Shoe money. Automatic.


Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (dFi94)

That's what I was thinking.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (1ZOkK)

337 334 Should I consider it a tip?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (1ZOkK)
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Shoe money. Automatic.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (dFi94)

What does $100 bucks get you in women's shoes these days? One-fifth of a shoe?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (0mRoj)

338
Seems there are some closet abortion supporters about. That's disappointing.
Posted by: Insomniac




One tends to see that position from the Libertarians and GOPe type Republicans. They are, after all, social liberals.

However, can't see how a nominal conservative squares that circle.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (kdS6q)

339 Never get into a argument about abortion on Ace of Spades.

Just my advice for my fellow morons.

Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 11:42 AM (QCc6B)

340 So happy for Baltimore making number 1, what a great achievement. I'll be there the weekend after the 4th. We will be in the city on Sunday morning, hopefully all the gang bangers are sleeping if off. We did the same trip to cities like Newark, Camden, and all the other great east coast cities. Usually pretty peaceful at 8 am Sunday.



Between 8:00 & 8:30.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:42 AM (PrVhQ)

341 I'm personally against it... Both My Kids who are Conservatives aren't.... I'm just from the wrong era I guess...
Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

Must be frustrating.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:42 AM (0mRoj)

342 Should I consider it a tip?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (1ZOkK)

Heh. Better ask hubby what he needs $100 in walking-around money for.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:42 AM (XrN31)

343 341 I'm personally against it... Both My Kids who are Conservatives aren't.... I'm just from the wrong era I guess...
Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

Must be frustrating.


It's a generational thing I guess.....

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (O2RFr)

344 318 Explain to me why someone performing abortions CANNOT gain admitting
privileges to a hospital, therefore developing a relationship with that
hospital, regular communication with it, etc.

The reason is because they are unqualified.

Posted by: Jen

See my post at 262 for an explanation.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (gyKtp)

345 >>>> Somebody has to be able to prove there are no clenliness laws on the books already to be believed.
Posted by: IP
****
Why don't you go prove that there aren't any cleanliness laws on the books since that's the premise that you're starting with?

Posted by: L, Elle at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (6IPEM)

346 339 Never get into a argument about abortion on Ace of Spades.

Just my advice for my fellow morons.
Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 11:42 AM (QCc6B)

For my next trick, I'm going in against a Sicilian with death on the line.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (0mRoj)

347 Heh. I've got the first Black Sabbath album cranked up as I'm reading this thread. Seems fitting.


Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (XrN31)
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REO Speedwagon here. Daughter wants some of their stuff on our playlist. Next up, Zac Brown Band for Son. Could be worse - could be ABBA. Oh wait, soon-to-be-mister wants ABBA. I am having second thoughts on marrying a person who wants to dance to ABBA.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (dFi94)

348 Roe vs. Wade and abortion, voluntary or not, aren't going anywhere, it's time to accept that fact and move on. Just my .02
Posted by: IP

_________

It's a stupid issue conservatives have been spinning our wheels on for several decades.

There will always be abortion, just like there's always going to be sin.

If it's any consolation, my guess is 90% of the aborted babies would be abortion-loving Democrats. They're killing their own.

Posted by: Barley at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (Jzg4b)

349 Perhaps the state of TX should take a page out of the lefty playbook.

If it's not done already, Step up random inspections of abortion factories to make sure all applicable laws/rules/regulations are followed exactly to the letter.

Shutdown/delay/stonewall/hamstring any that aren't in strict compliance.

Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (Ffw22)

350 340 So happy for Baltimore making number 1, what a great achievement. I'll be there the weekend after the 4th. We will be in the city on Sunday morning,

For Heaven sake why?

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (O2RFr)

351 341 I'm personally against it... Both My Kids who are Conservatives aren't.... I'm just from the wrong era I guess...
Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

Must be frustrating.


It's a generational thing I guess.....

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I don't know about that. What are their ages? Do they go to Church? Do they have kids? Give them time, educate them, they will hopefully come around.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:44 AM (gmeXX)

352 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:34 AM (Zu3d9)

correct and doing what's right should be the primary consideration in determining if the action is legal and not the consequential effect desired by many proponents.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (mmU7u)

353 325 >> We're lucky that handing out abortions for free is not legally mandated.



Yet....

Posted by: donna

That's now a plank in the DNC platform. I'm serious.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (gyKtp)

354 I don't know about that. What are their ages? Do they go to Church? Do they have kids? Give them time, educate them, they will hopefully come around.

They're both adults with Kids... We really don't talk about it...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (O2RFr)

355 Exactly. In my mind, I have no doubt mcasshole chose her for the purpose of precisely what they did to her.

She was too popular and a rising star before she got the "treatment"
Posted by: willy at June 27, 2016 11:26 AM (Ffw22)
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Yeah it's too bad she was too naive too see that's what was going to happen.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (BDZWU)

356 Never get into a argument about abortion on Ace of Spades.

Just my advice for my fellow morons.
Posted by: Max Power at June 27, 2016 11:42 AM (QCc6B)


Well unless it's a discussion of whether Fredo's mother should have had an abortion...then your on pretty safe ground

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (zp+j1)

357 What does $100 bucks get you in women's shoes these days? One-fifth of a shoe?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (0mRoj)
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Shoes I'm getting married in cost $14.99 - plus tax. Then again, my dress cost me seven bucks, so ...

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (dFi94)

358 When my son was little he asked, "Mommy, what's abortion?"

When I explained it in simple terms, he looked shocked and responded, "That's MURDER!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (1ZOkK)

359 In the early 90s when the EU was just coming to
fruition, I saw all the building they were erecting for the bureaucrats
and you could tell even then too much money was being spent and palms
were being greased. The they hired all the commies who had become greens
for jobs. smh

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (iQIUe)

But you have admit the design if the EU buildings is stunning. Makes Brussels look like a capital of the Untied Europe... or buildings for upscale Euro stores...do they have Euro stores like we have dollar stores....

Posted by: Colin at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (HQP2c)

360 Because abortion, and not dentistry, has been enshrined as a constitutional right. We're lucky that handing out abortions for free is not legally mandated.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 27, 2016 11:37 AM (XrN31)

The lefts next hill in the abortion fight is to require all hospitals to provide free abortions, including the Catholic ones.
Why not? It will answer the right's call to attempt to regulate abortion clinics.

Free abortion, free birth control, free sanitary products. Free STD diagnosis and treatment. Mandatory HPV vaccines, (free of course).

All part of Hillary's universal health care utopia.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (PiuBB)

361 Your opinion is noted.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:33 AM (TOk1P)

You want to be smug? have at it. But don't make ad hominem attacks on other commenters or you will be banned.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:35 AM (Zu3d9)


Still upset because you erroneously accused me of accusing you of something I didn't accuse you of, I see.


As you have noted yourself, Charlie, you aren't Ace, and you aren't a Cob. This effort of throwing around threats can just as easily be interpreted as an ad hominem attack.


So are you going to ban me for saying that? I would really like to know what the limits on your ability to use what power you think you have are. Please, inform me.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

362 357 What does $100 bucks get you in women's shoes these days? One-fifth of a shoe?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:41 AM (0mRoj)
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Shoes I'm getting married in cost $14.99 - plus tax. Then again, my dress cost me seven bucks, so ...
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (dFi94)

You are awesome.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (0mRoj)

363 It's a stupid issue conservatives have been spinning our wheels on for several decades.

There will always be abortion, just like there's always going to be sin.

If it's any consolation, my guess is 90% of the aborted babies would be abortion-loving Democrats. They're killing their own.

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I know this may surprise you, but to many of us it is not just a sin, it is the killing of another human. And we really do believe that all human life has dignity and value and should be allowed to live - even liberal offspring.

Frankly, I would be all for a new party that was devoted to one thing and one thing only - eliminating abortion.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:47 AM (gmeXX)

364 People who have no strong opinion on abortion have never seen an abortion.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:47 AM (mmU7u)

365 But you have admit the design if the EU buildings is stunning. Makes Brussels look like a capital of the Untied Europe... or buildings for upscale Euro stores...do they have Euro stores like we have dollar stores....



Makes them look like District 1 Capital.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:47 AM (PrVhQ)

366 Free abortion, free birth control, free sanitary products. Free STD diagnosis and treatment. Mandatory HPV vaccines, (free of course).

All part of Hillary's universal health care utopia.
Posted by: Jen the original at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM

Actually it is...don't forget free college!

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

367 Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

It's no effort at all. You aren't worth it.

No ad hominem attacks or you will be banned.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 27, 2016 11:48 AM (Zu3d9)

368 358 When my son was little he asked, "Mommy, what's abortion?"

When I explained it in simple terms, he looked shocked and responded, "That's MURDER!"
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (1ZOkK)

Yup. Even little kids get it.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 27, 2016 11:48 AM (0mRoj)

369 Last night, I read here about Nigel Farage, who fought against Britain's inclusion in the EU for 25 years and was called a whack job and loon and bigot during that time.

But he kept it up - for a quarter of a century. And he finally got a huge victory last week.

No, it's not the same as abortion, but it's still a bit of a contrast to conservatives here, who cave in out of fear of being uncool, which of course is the most important thing of all when you're talking about a nation of emotional and intellectual adolescents.

"Oh, noes, we must have been wrong about this because they're making fun of us on SNL!" That's the way many react to all sorts of issues, not just abortion.

That lying old Commie fraud Lillian Hellman was given hero status by the left when she said she wouldn't cut her conscience to fit this year's fashion - a great line, although Hellman really didn't have much in the way of a conscience. Unfortunately, many on the right are very willing to cut their consciences.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 27, 2016 11:48 AM (u0lmX)

370 REO Speedwagon here. Daughter wants some of their stuff on our playlist. Next up, Zac Brown Band for Son. Could be worse - could be ABBA. Oh wait, soon-to-be-mister wants ABBA. I am having second thoughts on marrying a person who wants to dance to ABBA.


-----

As soon as you able,woman I am willing
To make the break that we are on the brink of.
ABBA is on the turntable, their tunes are spilling
Waiting here for you to crank and sing to.....

Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 11:48 AM (8XRCm)

371 I am just trying to provide context. The law was written after Gosnell, and pointed at Karpen. The law was put forward by Gregg Abbott who is now the governor. The people wanted the law, that's why abortion Barbie went down in flames when she ran on it.

This is about protecting the health of the citizens. The citizens wanted it. It's not over reach

Posted by: ThunderB at June 27, 2016 11:49 AM (zOTsN)

372 Should I consider it a tip?
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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What happens in the laundry room, stays in the laundry room.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2016 11:49 AM (9mTYi)

373 It's a stupid issue conservatives have been spinning our wheels on for several decades.


Along with over-regulation, the 2nd Amendment and low-flow toilets.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 11:49 AM (evdj2)

374 Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 27, 2016 11:40 AM (IqV8l)

Was that a Marathon Man reference?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 27, 2016 11:50 AM (mmU7u)

375 340 So happy for Baltimore making number 1, what a
great achievement. I'll be there the weekend after the 4th. We will be
in the city on Sunday morning,



For Heaven sake why?

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:43 AM (O2RFr)
We visit all the McD's on those trips, not to eat, he does work for McD and his agreement is to visit big city McD's at the safest time.

Posted by: Colin at June 27, 2016 11:50 AM (HQP2c)

376 This is about protecting the health of the citizens. The citizens wanted it. It's not over reach

I've always believed it should be up to the States....... But there are no more States rights it seems...

Posted by: donna at June 27, 2016 11:50 AM (O2RFr)

377 But he kept it up - for a quarter of a century. And he finally got a huge victory last week.

No, it's not the same as abortion, but it's still a bit of a contrast to conservatives here, who cave in out of fear of being uncool, which of course is the most important thing of all when you're talking about a nation of emotional and intellectual adolescents.

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It is an apt comparison. We are winning at the ballot box, we then lose when court decides. If Brexit were up against a similar group of 9 (or people, it would lose too. We just have to keep fighting and pushing for it.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:50 AM (gmeXX)

378 Free abortion, free birth control, free sanitary products. Free STD diagnosis and treatment. Mandatory HPV vaccines, (free of course).



No mandatory HPV vaccines in Texas. Rick Perry tried.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:51 AM (PrVhQ)

379 Woah, I was just trying to type 8 followed by ) and got a smiley face. That is the first emoticon I have ever used, and it came up in an abortion debate. I don't think it counts.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:52 AM (gmeXX)

380 I guess you guys know there's a NOOD

Posted by: L, Elle at June 27, 2016 11:52 AM (6IPEM)

381 Frankly, I would be all for a new party that was devoted to one thing and one thing only - eliminating abortion.
Posted by: SH


It was a big mistake for conservatives to get hitched up with the Religious Right.

What a colossal failure this has been for people obsessed with this one issue. Do you have a single victory to show?

Abortion is no closer to being outlawed and the conservative movement keeps losing female voters.

It's evil, but so are a lot of things, and if you want to stop abortion, better do more to convince people it's evil instead of hoping judges and politicians stop people from doing it.

Posted by: Barley at June 27, 2016 11:53 AM (Jzg4b)

382 I guess you guys know there's a NOOD



Do now. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:53 AM (PrVhQ)

383 Along with over-regulation, the 2nd Amendment and low-flow toilets.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at June 27, 2016 11:49 AM (evdj2)

-----

Which reminds me...... I dont remeber which moron recommended Cascade Fryer Boil Out as a replacement for all the non phosphorous diwahwasher detergents that simply do not work.

But that stuff works. And it works because its got phosphates in it.

Thank You.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 27, 2016 11:53 AM (8XRCm)

384 No mandatory HPV vaccines in Texas. Rick Perry tried.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 27, 2016 11:51 AM (PrVhQ)

Wait until Kennedy issues a fatwah.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 27, 2016 11:53 AM (PiuBB)

385 But you have admit the design if the EU buildings is stunning. Makes Brussels look like a capital of the Untied Europe... or buildings for upscale Euro stores...do they have Euro stores like we have dollar stores....
Posted by: Colin at June 27, 2016 11:46 AM (HQP2c)

=======
No, I see them as a waste of money and Brussels is now a jihadist capital in europe. Maybe if the EU was less busy with buildings and stealing money, they would have addressed the snake pit in it's midst.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 27, 2016 11:54 AM (iQIUe)

386 What a colossal failure this has been for people obsessed with this one issue. Do you have a single victory to show?

--------------

Actually, we have many victories. In fact, it wins again, and again, and again. And we are still fighting it all these years later.

If we had a party who was only dedicated to one thing, maybe we would have even more victories. I don't know that, but there is a history of a party devoted to one moral purpose of having success.

Posted by: SH at June 27, 2016 11:55 AM (gmeXX)

387 It was a big mistake for conservatives to get hitched up with the Religious Right.
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Would you like us to sit out the next election? Tell us if you prefer us to vote or not.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:56 AM (dFi94)

388 Shoes I'm getting married in cost $14.99 - plus tax. Then again, my dress cost me seven bucks, so ...


Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 11:45 AM (dFi94)
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Is there a way to make sure the tags show? I think it is wonderful that you are not playing the thousands of dollars to showoff game (oldest is getting married in September and I am not happy with her 'splash' fantasies), but wasn't there a comedian on HeeHaw who always had a price tag dangling from her Sunday-go-to-meeting outfits. Minnie Pearl?
If I were attending, I would even make an effort to make sure my black 'dress' crocs were clean and my resale shop wardrobe was newer -- and maybe even ironed. Don't tell my daughter.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 27, 2016 11:57 AM (MIKMs)

389 The supreme court should be cleaned to their abortion 'clinic' standards. With a dirty mop like college restrooms...

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 11:57 AM (Jej2J)

390 Posted by: mustbequantum at June 27, 2016 11:57 AM (MIKMs)
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Oh! It's so funny that you mention Minnie Pearl! I was telling my mother the other day that I was proud of my seven dollar dress, and that I might make a price tag to wear on the back! LOL


Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 27, 2016 12:00 PM (dFi94)

391 So go the eminent domain route....every time PP sets up and capitalizes a abortion 'clinic', eminent domain the joint to make it a tax generating property. That's what the court said is okay to do when a property is underperforming the tax base.

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 12:01 PM (Jej2J)

392 The other thing to do is to swamp the place with men self identifing as women to get a free pregnancy test...every day.

Posted by: torabora at June 27, 2016 12:02 PM (Jej2J)

393 Government discrimination based on race? That's OK. We'll just ignore the part of the Constitution that prohibits that.

Abortion restrictions? Not OK. We'll pretend that the Constitution actually says something about that.

Fuck the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Enough at June 27, 2016 12:55 PM (cvIYk)

394
"It's evil, but so are a lot of things, and if you want to stop
abortion, better do more to convince people it's evil instead of hoping
judges and politicians stop people from doing it."

Excuse me? It's the fucking judges who are making shit up and striking down the will of the people in these states.

Posted by: Enough at June 27, 2016 12:58 PM (cvIYk)

395 98
Each of the 5 justices should be sent a little present in a jar of
formaldahyde. You know, at times, you just want to spit on your hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Talk of the liberation of souls is discouraged at AoSHQ.

Posted by: Starring Miley's Tongue as Paul Kersey at June 27, 2016 06:40 PM (4p3Tz)

396 235
I'm distressed that this Whistler thread has been hijacked by abortion. 'Bye y'all.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at June 27, 2016 11:12 AM (4p3Tz)



It's an open thread. No hijacking has occurred.

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Okay, it's been OVERRUN by abortion, Joe. And thereby ruined. Hence my farewell.

Posted by: Starring Miley's Tongue as Paul Kersey at June 27, 2016 06:49 PM (4p3Tz)

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