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Saturday Gardening Thread: Just Peachy [KT]

Greetings to gardeners, farmers and those who like farmers' markets, fruit stands, flowers or shade trees. Welcome to the first Saturday Gardening Thread of the year following the Summer Solstice. Do you feel any different?

Last week, Dave at Buffalo Roam wrote:

The hot weather is here and the sweet corn is probably finished this weekend. I put up 48 ears today. But we have Fredericksburg peaches! God bless Texas.

Then he wrote in response to my query:

Fredericksburg peaches are yellow, cling stone and so juicy it runs down your neck.

Mmmm. Those peaches sound good. Anybody who has a local source for peaches is fortunate. If you have your own tree(s), even better! More on peaches and nectarines later in this thread.

Do you live where it is too cool in summer to grow flavorful peaches? Maybe you could grow a beautiful scented tuberous begonia in peachy tones to admire while sipping a nice peachy-flavored beverage.

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John Smith Scented Tuberous Begonia

Tuberous Begonias

Tuberous begonias can be spectacular when grown under deep-rooted trees. (You can shop for them through the AoSHQ Amazon Store). They need light, well-drained soil, but it does not need to be very deep. You can put down a few inches of potting mix under a tree. Mama AJ might be able to grow some in a shady corner of her compost pile.

They will need to be watered, preferably by drip. Even if your shade trees are surface-rooting, tuberous begonias can be grown under them in containers. One of my favorite ways is to hang baskets from tree limbs.

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Amerihybrid Hanging Basket Begonia

Floridata compares tuberous begonias with other begonias grown by gardeners.

There are some 1500 species of begonias and, by some estimates, more than ten thousand named cultivars and hybrids. To simplify matters, they are divided by horticulturists into informal groups, based mainly on their growth habits.

The University of Minnesota Extension has a nice summary on growing tuberous begonias. After reading it, some members of The Horde may decide to start with blooming plants from the nursery. Have you ever grown them? Did you start with plants, tubers or seeds?

Peaches and Nectarines

Looks like they do grow mostly yellow peaches in and around Fredericksburg. But Dave at Buffalo Roam may get to try some freestones a little later in the summer Although the crop may be short at times, due to this year's weather.

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Peaches just outside Fredericksburg, Texas

Speaking of Texas, I covet the peachcot sold by Fanick's Nursery in San Antonio. LE Cooke, here in the San Joaquin Valley, sells the John Fanick Peach wholesale. We used to have our own luscious peachcot in the Valley, but the USDA lost the budstock during virus indexing. It took a while for the nursery to figure out what had happened.

My peaches are not ripe yet, but the days are hot and the nights are cool. Great weather for peaches and nectarines. I have bought some peaches and nectarines at a packing house. They are clingstones, too. Some may be showing up at a market near you. But anyone who has access to ripe, local peaches will probably like them better than the ones shipped from the San Joaquin Valley. Though even shipping peaches have improved in the last coouple of decades. Roughly since Epitaph for a Peach.

How to choose and grow a peach tree

Breeders like Floyd Zaiger have been busy with peaches and nectarines. In addition to old favorites, you can now choose supersweet cultivars. The low acid ones taste pretty good even when they are crispy. I prefer the balanced, high sugar/acid ones when ripe. They can be a little zingy when still firm.

The best way to pick a peach cultivar is to go with one known to do well in your area. There are some things to keep in mind if you want to get adventurous.

In the North, you will want to consider hardiness and bloom time.

In humid or rainy climates, you will want to consider brown rot and peach leaf curl resistance. Some people grow peaches as fan-shaped espaliers under a south or west overhang to limit peach leaf curl where it rains a lot.

In mild-winter areas, you need to know the chill requirement of the cultivar you want to grow. In the desert, early or late-ripening peaches may be a better bet than midseason ones.

Everywhere, you need to consider whether the rootstock is compatible with your climate and soil. The productive life of a peach tree is about 15 years when well-grown. This is longer than the life of many plums in the East, but in the West other stone fruits tend to stay productive longer. If you wnat to can or freeze, get cultivars recognized for this use. Cling canners are a challenge for most home gardeners. Not for my mother-in-law, who uses the little ones whole for pickled peaches. She has a special pit remover for canning peach halves.

Old peach and nectarine cultivars tend to have smaller, less showy blossoms than newer cultivars. I have an older cling cultivar which barely looks like it is in bloom when it blooms. The larger flowers are thought to be more attractive to bees. My Arctic Star white nectarine has beautiful large pale pink single blossoms. Normally it has very tasty, low acid super-sweet fruit. It's a little bitter this year because of early lack of water and poor thinning. These bitter overtones are especially characteristic of white nectarines and peaches if the trees are stressed before ripening, as by lack of water. Cutting back on water just before ripening can sweeten the fruit, though.

There are several cultivars with especially showy double blossoms that are marketed as "ornamental edibles". Some have fruit that rates high in taste tests. One of these is Red Baron, which produces fruit over a prolonged ripening season. It has a low chill requirement, only 250 hours. Double Jewel has lighter-colored blossoms and a slightly higher chill requirement. Its blossoms are pictured below. Take a look around the site at the link below the photo. If you had a ton o' money, would you build a thoroughbred horse ranch? In California? Not sure I would want to own it, but I would love to have friends who owned it.

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Double Jewel Peach Blossoms

Peach Melba

Peaches are great for homey desserts like cobblers, grunts, clafoutis, dowdys and buckles. But there is an elegant peach dessert that does not require baking.

Peach Melba was named after an Australian opera star of the Victorian era, Nellie Melba. The celebrity chef created this dessert also named Melba Toast after her. The original Peach Melba was introduced on a swan ice sculpture with spun sugar rather than raspberry puree as a garnish. I think the raspberries are better. This is a great hot-weather dessert. Nice video at the link.

Either sweetened raspberry puree or raspberry sauce is traditional. Peaches are generally poached, but I saw another recipe that used grilled peaches. Freestone peaches are best for this dish.

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Peach Melba Pie uses sliced peaches, so you could use clingstones. Inelegant press-in crust, homey.

Have you ever made Peach Melba? Do you have another favorite peach recipe - preserves, a dessert, drink or main dish? Think about it. Tomorrow is the day for CBD's remarkable Food Thread.

Boring Fruit Trees

Our insects of the week are the caterpillars or grubs that bore into peach trees. Some also attack other fruit trees. One of my earliest horticultural memories is of my Grandfather cutting a Peach Tree Borer out from the base of our apricot tree with a pocketknife. You should check the base of stone fruit trees in spring for gum exuding from the bark. They can kill your tree. Our apricot tree produced for several years after my grandfather took his pocketknife to it, but it was eventually ripped out of the ground by a whirlwind. There were signs of decay at the base of the tree.

The adult form of the Peach Twig Borer is also a moth. The caterpillars can therefore be controlled with good old Bt. The moths lay eggs on the succulent twigs of peach trees and other stone fruits. The caterpillars start eating this green growth, then switch to the fruits, making those fruits wormy.

I think the creepiest stone fruit borer is the Pacific Flathead Borer. It also attacks apple and other trees. One killed a young cherry tree at our house. The grub was pretty long, with a big head. Other flathead borers attack trees and shrubs like cedar.

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Flathead Borer Grub

It is hard to tell the species apart at the grub stage.

This is a Flat Headed Borer Grub in the family Buprestidae, known as the Metallic Wood Borers or Jewel Beetles. . . Many of the adult beetles are quite gorgeous and are sometimes made into jewelry in tropical counties. . . Sadly, we are not skilled enough to tell you the exact species. Flat Headed Borers often live many years as grubs feeding on wood. We have heard reports of the Golden Buprestid, Buprestis aurulenta, emerging from furniture 50 years after it was built. . . We have received our own report of an adult Golden Buprestid emerging from an 8 year old pine cutting board.

Eeew. Any interesting insects in your garden? In your life? Be careful to eat only the ones you don't mind eating.

Have a great week.



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1 Good afternoon greenthmbs

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 12:25 PM (d9qXV)

2 Fredericksburg peaches are the best. I need to pick some up. Eat all I can, make a cobbler with the rest

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 25, 2016 12:27 PM (TD9KB)

3 Getting peppers and tomatoes but just starting but will be swamped with wax beans so by end of week. But as I've written often I need rain.
Also had most kicked up tomato soup (canned) with mostly chives but also oregino and parsley last night.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 12:28 PM (d9qXV)

4 Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart is pushing for Britain to take back its border

HEY FRANCE!
Aiding terrorists.
Good idea!

Posted by: Milo at June 25, 2016 12:28 PM (CKqT5)

5 In my student poverty days south of Austin I had a peach tree at the farmhouse. I kept the water hose oozing on it all the growing season. No better breakfast than five or six peaches right off the tree. Well, bacon augments any breakfast of course.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:36 PM (Zrfof)

6 Skip at June 25, 2016 12:28 PM

Do you like to pick your wax beans small and cook them briefly, or let them get bigger for heartier presentations, Skip?

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 12:36 PM (qahv/)

7 Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:36 PM

Peaches and bacon sound good together.

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 12:38 PM (qahv/)

8 I don't always seek out peaches, but when I do get some they are sooooo good!

The perfect summer treat.

Millions of peaches, peaches for free!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvAnQqVJ3XQ

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 25, 2016 12:39 PM (ej1L0)

9 "...desserts like cobblers, grunts, clafoutis, dowdys and buckles. "
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These sound like diseases Royal Navy tars got.

Or maybe, yeah, British desserts.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 25, 2016 12:41 PM (jR7Wy)

10 I like them bigger, there tuning yellow but as a unripe banana now, also I'm seeing so many I could start picking in a day or so and will have them as fast as I could eat them. Between green and wax I have 8 plants.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 12:43 PM (d9qXV)

11 Back from Drug Store just in time. Yes, we have peaches here even though it is not "the Peach State". But looking at the top three States for growing peaches the last time I checked CA was #1, SC was #2, and GA which is called the peach State was # 3. And right now the peaches are flooding into the stores.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 25, 2016 12:43 PM (mpXpK)

12 I've tried for about 10 years to grow tuberous begonias. They always either rot, or dry out. I've given up.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2016 12:43 PM (LAe3v)

13 As a non peach tree owning moron , I have an early summer ritual . Go to store , smell ,lust after the first peachs of the season .. Buy 'em ..let them finish ripening in paper bag ,.. Chomp down in anticipation and be utterly disappointed .. Toss em ... Too mushy , finery or just plain ole nothing granular waste of money .. Sooo how does one navigate the fruited plains of gourmet know nothing peach purveyors ? What to shop for ?

Posted by: Madhatton at June 25, 2016 12:46 PM (i8ZRo)

14 As for bugs in our yard, we have every variety of bug there is. And if they ain't bitin' you they're biten' your bushes and trees.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 25, 2016 12:47 PM (mpXpK)

15 All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 25, 2016 12:41 PM

Yeah, "buckles" sounds like a horrible disease.


Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 12:47 PM (qahv/)

16 Damn...I'm still buzzed from last night.


Gardening?

I need a big juicy peach.

Posted by: eleven at June 25, 2016 12:49 PM (qUNWi)

17 I don't care for peaches, which is odd since I like peach-flavored drinks and other-peach flavored stuff. Do not like peach pie. I'd rather skip the pie altogether if it's peach.


Nectarines - I might eat one per summer. I'm more of a berry person.


Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 25, 2016 12:50 PM (dFi94)

18 ***eleven at June 25, 2016 12:49 PM (qUNWi)

"We're gonna lay around the shanty momma and put a good buzz on."

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:51 PM (Zrfof)

19 "Sooo how does one navigate the fruited plains of gourmet know nothing peach purveyors ?"

It's hard to tell by appearance or feel. That's why local growers are still a better bet than markets. I wish they would start showing the cultivar name. THAT could give you a clue. If you are desperate, there are some mail order places that will send you specific cultivars in season.

When I see peaches and nectarines at the supermarket, I generally go for the nectarines, because they seem to be picked a little riper, as a rule. But I have been disappointed with them, too.

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 12:52 PM (qahv/)

20 And generally, early peaches are not the best peaches. There are exceptions.

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 12:53 PM (qahv/)

21 Millions of peaches, peaches for me
Millions of peaches ,peaches for free

But I don't think they were really singing about peaches

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 12:53 PM (d9qXV)

22 How can a person not like peach pie?

That ain't right somehow.

Posted by: eleven at June 25, 2016 12:54 PM (qUNWi)

23 KT, a lot of the off-season peaches come from Chile of all places. No telling how green they were when picked.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:55 PM (Zrfof)

24 There is a major corporate farm about 15 miles down the road from me. Usually about this time of the year my wife and her mother drive down there to their "market" and buy peaches. They will bring back a a whole slew of those things and I will be eating peaches for a week. I get tired of them after a few days.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 25, 2016 12:56 PM (mpXpK)

25 We were talking about peaches this week, I love peaches and as a kid we would get them by the basket eat them right out of it. But somewhere in the last 30 years I detest the fuzzy skin. I have to peal it first. So often now I'll get nectarines.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 12:56 PM (d9qXV)

26 Skip, it's a carpet versus hardwood kinda thing.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:58 PM (Zrfof)

27 That grub worm up there is shaped like a horseshoe nail.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:59 PM (Zrfof)

28 One thing about peaches and nectarines I never see mentioned and had to learn the hard way is that the fruit ripens at the same time.

My trees bore little fruit for 5 years, maybe one or two a year, then a bumper crop. 2000 nectarines, all ripe at the same time.

If you have those trees, have your canning equipment at the ready because you will be working your ass off. Blanching, peeling, slicing and canning. and have lots of sugar.

Posted by: lonetown at June 25, 2016 01:00 PM (1SQPW)

29 We picked the peaches from one of our trees. The peaches are white, I'm not sure what kind it is. The other peach trees aren't ready yet.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 01:01 PM (egOGm)

30 I used to go out with my mom to U-pick peaches for canning.
Then she used to send me out with a box and a couple of $20s and told me to pick ripe ones

Last time I went out I was picking up windfalls for peach butter and canning and got yelled at by the orchard owner. Apparently there are rules now.

I love making peach butter: while preparing peaches for canning throw the skins, the cut out bruises, dark spots and maybe some pits and the chunks that are too small to use into the crock pot set on high with a bit of water and lemon and sugar in the bottom.
While you are canning the peaches let the crock pot continue to cook down.

When you wipe the sweat off of your brow from all that peach canning and the jars are cooling and you are waiting for the dome lids to ping,
take the cooked down scraps and run them through your food mill (taking the pits out first) and cook the puree down to "fairly thick" with any extra sugar and spices you want to add. I use allspice and ginger but I have used pickling spice by accident.

Anyhow, cook it down thick enough, the skins should have had enough pectin to firm up your batch, and waterbath can it like jam.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 25, 2016 01:02 PM (ry34m)

31 Also my garden is broken up most being in a fenced in area outside my main fenced in area(compound). I grow my cucumbers on the fence that splits my garden and have 1 tomatoe and things rescued from compost onions and cabbage. Noticed rabbits ate my cabbage last couple of days as they can get into the compound, but not in our garden.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 01:02 PM (d9qXV)

32 Japanese freakin beetle war going on here. If I can save our rose bush from them, it will be a miracle.

A nice pest we have is more hummingbirds than ever. They are emptying 3 large feeders every 3-4 days.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:02 PM (GzDYP)

33 KT,
beautiful ranch you linked. I have an idea where it is. What an amazing ranch.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 01:03 PM (egOGm)

34 Parker County Peaches in N. Texas; specifically, Hutton's between Weatherford and Mineral Wells. 'Red Globes' being harvested at the moment. More to come all the way till dove season (Labor Day).

Posted by: Billy the Mountain at June 25, 2016 01:09 PM (hmntZ)

35 32 Japanese freakin beetle war going on here. If I can save our rose bush from them, it will be a miracle.
.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:02 PM (GzDYP)
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They used to swoop down en masse just when my roses were at their loveliest. Oh how I hated their shiny little asses sticking up out of my beautiful blooms. they left a garden full of barren stems.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 25, 2016 01:11 PM (jR7Wy)

36 Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 25, 2016 01:11 PM (jR7Wy)

Is moving the only way to be rid of them?

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:14 PM (GzDYP)

37 Is moving the only way to be rid of them?
Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:14 PM (GzDYP)
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Nuking from orbit, etc.

I used to pick them off and put them in a jar of kerosene but that is just cleaning up after the fact.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 25, 2016 01:16 PM (jR7Wy)

38 Kindltot at June 25, 2016 01:02 PM

That peach butter sounds great.


Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 01:17 PM (qahv/)

39 Just back from my stint at a local farmer's market. Sold peach handpies, which are little handfuls of goodness. Peach butter sounds really, really good...going to have to make that.

I am waiting for the Japanese beetle invasion. Should be any day now. They hit my raspberries hard. I don't even try to pick them in the summer. I wait for the autumn harvest.

Posted by: Lizabth at June 25, 2016 01:18 PM (3v3uS)

40 CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 01:03 PM

The setting for than ranch is gorgeous.

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 01:18 PM (qahv/)

41 5
In my student poverty days south of Austin I had a peach tree at the
farmhouse. I kept the water hose oozing on it all the growing season.
No better breakfast than five or six peaches right off the tree. Well,
bacon augments any breakfast of course.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 25, 2016 12:36 PM (Zrfof)

bacon covered in peaches....or peaches covered in bacon

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 25, 2016 01:20 PM (0O7c5)

42 Our peach tree was full to the brim with fruit a month ago. Then one weekend we had a high-wind gully washer blow through. The next time Hubs went out to look at the tree, EVERY LAST PEACH was gone.

Don't know if they got blown away or if the squirrels and/or birds made off with them.

Mr. TiFW was majorly bummed - those peaches are always sweet and juicy....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 25, 2016 01:21 PM (Saqzi)

43 I have a yellow flowering rhododendron that gets the Tora Tora, Tora experience . I pick them off into a can of mineral spirits.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 01:25 PM (d9qXV)

44 I have used beetle traps, but they lure as much as catch. I knock them off into a jug of water w/ a drop of soap, but you have to leave them out to die a slow death. Yuck. Yesterday I used an evil pesticide to spray them and w/in minutes they were dropping dead which was strangely satisfying, but hurtful to beneficial pollinators.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:26 PM (GzDYP)

45 Peach butter this way can turn grey-brown. Sometimes it just turns oxidized brown. Adding something that will make it yellow again, or mahogany brown, could be a good idea.

I also found out that it is essential to follow the waterbath processing time exactly when you are canning peaches. If you, say, just process in boiling water for 10 minutes like you do jam, that does not break down the fruit's enzymes and they get mushy, fall apart and discolor.
To have crisp, colorful peaches all Winter you need to process in the boiling water bath for a full 25 - 30 minutes.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 25, 2016 01:28 PM (ry34m)

46 I think it's the ground where the grubs are that need chemical treatment, before they emerge, but I forget every summer. Maybe it's not too late for me to get some of them that way.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:29 PM (GzDYP)

47 Omg! Peach butter and peach pies? I am so jealous. And hungry. My Grandmother used to make a basket of apricot fried pies when I visited her in Texas. Yumm!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 25, 2016 01:31 PM (GzDYP)

48
Speaking of peaches - I spent most of a summer working just outside of Princeton, NJ next to a peach orchard. The orchard had a store that sold everything peach - fruits, jams, marmalade, pies, slushys - and on and on. A fresh peach slushy is delicious after a long hard day in the hot sun.

The store also had a blackboard showing all of the varieties they grew and when they came into and went out of season. They had 15 - 20 varieties, from the earliest to the latest to ripen.

It was quite a place.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 25, 2016 01:44 PM (RcpcZ)

49 Mmmm, now I'm hungry for some kind of peach product, which I don't have on hand. I do have a little jar of homemade prickly pear/dewberry jelly I got as a party favor. It's good stuff.

A couple of people in my neighborhood have what I guess are ornamental peaches. They don't put out fruit but the flowers are spectacular.

Posted by: stace, TEXIT at June 25, 2016 01:45 PM (ozZau)

50 Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 01:18 PM (qahv/)
The maintenance on that ranch must be astronomical. I'm trying to imagine the costs of maintaining the gardens alone and can't. They have 300 rose bushes. Not icebergs. They have my favorite David Austin roses.
They must have 1 guy whose job it is to take care of the roses.
It looks very well maintained.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 01:58 PM (egOGm)

51 My favorite peaches come from the western slope around Delta or Fruita I think.

Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:01 PM (mXIZj)

52
I found the orchard online - Terhune Orchards Winery. It looks like it has expanded quite a bit since I worked next to it about 20 years ago. If you're in the area it's worth a stop.

Just be sure to get out of the Princeton area before the afternoon rush. The roads become completely clogged for hours by Jaguars and other high end sports cars.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 25, 2016 02:02 PM (RcpcZ)

53 Caligirl which link shows the ranch?

Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:03 PM (mXIZj)

54 When I do dig down into soil like this year expanding my garden I see these white fat grubs around 1 inch long. I kill them with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 02:04 PM (d9qXV)

55
That's Terhune Orchards and Winery.

I miss my ampersands.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 25, 2016 02:04 PM (RcpcZ)

56
When I do dig down into soil like this year
expanding my garden I see these white fat grubs around 1 inch long. I
kill them with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 02:04 PM (d9qXV
Your loss - they're great trout bait.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 25, 2016 02:06 PM (RcpcZ)

57 Sooo how does one navigate the fruited plains of gourmet know nothing peach purveyors ? What to shop for ?
Posted by: Madhatton at June 25, 2016 12:46 PM (i8ZRo)
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Madhatton, I feel your pain. Nothing is as good as a good peach and nothing is as bad as a bad one.

The advice I've seen and followed is to first of all, give them a good sniff. If they don't smell like delicious peaches, don't buy them. If they don't smell like anything at all, don't buy them.

The second thing is to give them a slight squeeze. If they are rock-hard, nope. You want them to give just a little.

But I think the smell is the most important.

And peach pie is a slice of heaven on earth, the end.

Posted by: bluebell at June 25, 2016 02:10 PM (805dc)

58 I live in Denver - and it's impossible to get a decent peach around here! They're either hard as a stone, or grainy and flavor-less. Such a shame!

Posted by: Lily at June 25, 2016 02:11 PM (Qm82t)

59 I made some home made peach ice cream in my White Mountain cranker. It was tasty.

Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:14 PM (mXIZj)

60 Posted by: Lily at June 25, 2016 02:11 PM (Qm82t)
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Lily, do you belong to Costco? A week ago I bought some California peaches at ours (I live in Virginia) and they were wonderful - sweet and juicy, and gobbled up within a couple of days.

I'm with KT on the local thing, but peaches aren't ripe around here until the end of July usually.

Posted by: bluebell at June 25, 2016 02:16 PM (805dc)

61 Ronster,
Below the pic of the peach blossoms. Double jewel peach blossom.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 02:17 PM (egOGm)

62 Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:03 PM

It's the link under the blossom photo.

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 02:18 PM (qahv/)

63 Thanks Cali and KT. I found it. The climate there must be perfect. It looks like they can grow anything.

Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:23 PM (mXIZj)

64 Posted by: lonetown at June 25, 2016 01:00 PM

Two thousand nectarines at one time is a lot! They say that Red Baron peach ripens over an extended period (for those where it is adapted).

But most cultivars ripen their fruit mostly at the same time. Another good reason to limit tree size through summer pruning, etc. Check the Dave Wilson Nursery website for ideas. I think they go a little overboard in close spacing, and I have not had good luck with the multiple trees in a hole technique. Except for the genetic dwarfs or container trees, I like to see peaches at least 10 feet apart on center.

But that is still a lot smaller than a peach tree allowed to grow to full size. You could plant at least 2 trees that ripen at different times in the space of one big tree.

Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 02:28 PM (qahv/)

65 Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:23 PM (mXIZj)
It's in Santa ynez. Where that ranch is its a few degrees warmer than at my house. Also cooler in winter. The microclimates are funny. I know from experience those roses are a lot of work.
They have boxwoods and lavender, sage. Those do well here with not a lot of water.
I know some of these fancy ranches make their maintenance people trim everything by hand. No gas trimmers or hedge clippers.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 02:28 PM (egOGm)

66 Big Head Grubb and the Borers

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 25, 2016 02:39 PM (IqV8l)

67 CaliGirl, I noticed the mountains in one picture. Overall a beautiful landscape.

Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:41 PM (mXIZj)

68 Cali Girl, by hand? That is insane.

Not just more money than sense insane, that is full high church insanity there.
You can get stuff that runs off of pressure bottles or propane if the pollution is an issue.

The battery powered stuff has to be cheaper than paying hourly CA min wage.

(wonder if it is the intersection of conspicuous consumption and Marxist labor theory of value)


Posted by: Kindltot at June 25, 2016 02:43 PM (ry34m)

69 I finally planted 3 tomatoes and one cucumber. Much too late. Maybe they will produce a few maters and a cucumber or 2.

Posted by: Ronster at June 25, 2016 02:43 PM (mXIZj)

70 HI gardeners, pet thread is the Nood

Posted by: L, Elle at June 25, 2016 02:47 PM (6IPEM)

71 Posted by: Kindltot at June 25, 2016 02:43 PM (ry34m)
These are super wealthy people. I can't figure out the reasoning. One lady I know has an acre of lawn. she told me she makes her gardener do it with a push mower because it looks better. I asked her if she's ever been golfing. She didn't think I was funny.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 02:49 PM (egOGm)

72 64
Posted by: lonetown at June 25, 2016 01:00 PM

Two thousand
nectarines at one time is a lot! They say that Red Baron peach ripens
over an extended period (for those where it is adapted).

But
most cultivars ripen their fruit mostly at the same time. Another good
reason to limit tree size through summer pruning, etc. Check the Dave
Wilson Nursery website for ideas. I think they go a little overboard in
close spacing, and I have not had good luck with the multiple trees in a
hole technique. Except for the genetic dwarfs or container trees, I
like to see peaches at least 10 feet apart on center.

But that
is still a lot smaller than a peach tree allowed to grow to full size.
You could plant at least 2 trees that ripen at different times in the
space of one big tree.


Posted by: KT at June 25, 2016 02:28 PM (qahv/)


I used to be "in charge" of gardening when I was a kid, as we moved from house to house [I lived in 30 different places before I was 30]. One year, we had a peach tree, and I found out that you should cut it back by 40% every year because, otherwise, limbs will actually break under the weight of their fruit.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 25, 2016 02:53 PM (EzgxV)

73 Can't eat the massive quantities of peaches the way I used to. (Damn diabetes. Gotta watch the carbs.) But a vendor at the local farmers market has glorious peaches each season and I do indulge. At breakfast I can have a peach instead of toast or oatmeal. It's a nice seasonal trade off. They are my second favorite fruit. Apples are always number one.

Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 02:53 PM (V+03K)

74 71
Posted by: Kindltot at June 25, 2016 02:43 PM (ry34m)

These are super wealthy people. I can't figure out the reasoning.
One lady I know has an acre of lawn. she told me she makes her gardener
do it with a push mower because it looks better. I asked her if she's
ever been golfing. She didn't think I was funny.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 25, 2016 02:49 PM (egOGm)

I have 1.5 acres of lawn. Someone stole my lawn tractor once and I had to mow it with a push mower. It was in July and it took me two days. I got another lawn tractor after that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 25, 2016 02:59 PM (mpXpK)

75 Our summer squash and cukes are producing. Not huge amounts but enough for a meal. Our summer squash is usually good but this is an heirloom style new to us. The best I've ever had. Hope this growth and taste isn't a fluke because I want to grow more of them next season. It's a Fordhook zucchini style.

Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 02:59 PM (V+03K)

76 At breakfast I can have a peach instead of toast or oatmeal. It's a nice seasonal trade off. They are my second favorite fruit. Apples are always number one.
Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 02:53 PM (V+03K)
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JTB, try cutting up half a peach and putting it ON your oatmeal. You will love it. My son and I both think this is the best way to eat oatmeal.

Posted by: bluebell at June 25, 2016 03:02 PM (805dc)

77 Bluebell, I love the taste of peaches on oatmeal but the carb count gets a bit high when combined, so it's one or the other. Dang!

One treat I learned during peach season: a couple of buckwheat crepes (I make good ones) with thin slices of fresh peach between them and plenty of butter slathered on. The peaches provide all the sweetness needed. A couple of fired eggs on top and a cup of fresh brewed coffee to sip. Delish!

Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 03:15 PM (V+03K)

78 I just want to thank everyone for their lovely advice about my fuchsia plant a couple of weeks ago. It is doing much better now and has started to produce more blossoms. Yay! I'm so glad it's not dead!

Posted by: California Girl at June 25, 2016 03:15 PM (Pt5D1)

79 Damn big fingers. Make that fried eggs.

Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 03:16 PM (V+03K)

80 I usually put raisins in my oatmeal but would cut up peaches if I had some. I do apples occasionally and we do always have them.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 03:17 PM (d9qXV)

81 Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg!

Posted by: Army Of The Potomac at June 25, 2016 03:19 PM (lcUJ5)

82 JTB, I try to eat low-carb too, but I don't have diabetes, just hoping to stay that way. But do the same "rules" apply to diabetics regarding fats plus carbs as for us plain old low-carb folks? Meaning, if you eat fat with your carbs it gets absorbed much more slowly and doesn't mess with your blood sugar as much?

I ask because I put a spoonful of coconut oil in my oatmeal, then pour some heavy cream over it. I wonder if adding more fat to your oatmeal would let you enjoy a little bit of peach in there too. Or maybe you already do the added fats things.

Posted by: bluebell at June 25, 2016 03:23 PM (805dc)

83 Whoa, Bluebell. I have to check out the fat/carb connection. Thanks for mentioning it. The fat and calories, to a point, don't affect the glucose numbers. And I have continued to slowly lose weight so I have some leeway with calories. I don't worry about fats. Since I started using butter, various oils, cream, etc., (without being crazy) my cholesterol and triglyceride numbers have improved. So much for settled, nutritional science!

Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 03:31 PM (V+03K)

84 JTB, do check it out. And if you don't already, start using coconut oil whenever you can - it's supposed to be great for you. Costco has it in great whopping jars if you shop there, otherwise you can find it in most grocery stores these days.

Posted by: bluebell at June 25, 2016 03:37 PM (805dc)

85 Bluebell, We have a trip to Costco planned for this week, so I'll pick up the coconut oil. I've learned a lot in using diet to lessen the diabetes but there is, clearly, more to learn. I'm lucky in that the diabetes isn't severe and I use minimal medicine, not insulin, with the diet to keep it mild.

To keep this in a gardening mode, this could open up new stuff to grow in our yard: beans and such. Thanks again for the suggestion. I just found some studies saying exactly what you mentioned. Yeaa!!

Posted by: JTB at June 25, 2016 03:57 PM (V+03K)

86 Bought peaches out at grocery store, and more oatmeal

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2016 05:01 PM (d9qXV)

87 Found Western White Grubs in the lawn this week. Nasty little buggers.

Posted by: DavesNotHere at June 25, 2016 07:47 PM (ZjgiP)

88 Report from Treasure Valley of Idaho (near Boise): snow peas are producing heavily; one 8-foot, tightly planted row is yielding about 50 pods a day.

The Bibb lettuces are starting to bolt, and so is the parsley. (English thyme has lovely flowers to attract bees, and smells wonderful.) Chives have multiplied by 4 or more since I planted them!

Zucchini plants now have small fruits.

We might not get green beans this year - they're being crowded out by other plants. We'll need to give them more space next year - we may put them as row crops out in the (former) paddock. That will replenish the soil after we grow corn this year. (Corn has tasseled, but this is a first-year experiment and we will have to see how it does.)

We planted small blueberry bushes this spring and we're getting a small crop now. The established red raspberry patch has started to produce, and is dense enough that we sometimes spook our quail family hiding there (4 babies!).

I have a seed feeder out front, with millet and hulled sunflower, holds about a pound of seed I think - the sparrows and goldfinches empty it in 5-6 days! The squirrels, and sometimes quail, check the ground underneath it for fallen goodies.

Forecast is for a week of 100 F temperatures - irrigation will be on every day.

Posted by: Pat* at June 25, 2016 10:00 PM (ZdNOH)

89 Pat* at June 25, 2016 10:00 PM

Sounds wonderful.

Posted by: KT at June 26, 2016 01:41 AM (qahv/)

90 hi

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