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The Transnationalists/Globalists/Universalists of the GOP Capital Class Ought to Read this Megan McArdle Piece Before It's Too Late

Too Late for them, I mean.

Her major point is that the elites of UK and Euorpe -- and, by implication (though she's delicate about it) the US -- have decided that "nationalism" is crude and kin to racism, and therefore, there is no longer any legitimate reason to favor a fellow citizen over a foreigner. To favor the former over the latter is a crude tribalism close enough to "racism" to be racism, for all intents and purposes.

The globalist/universalist/transnationalist wing of the GOP is careful to not admit this sort of archlibertarian/global socialism belief, because their fellow citizens would no longer pay them any mind if they were to announce their belief that they have absolutely no favoritism for a fellow citizen over a foreigner.

It would be like hiring a lawyer who tells you "I don't care if you win or not -- it would be tribalist to favor you. I'm just in favor of the truth." That lawyer, by telling you he's indifferent to your victory or defeat, or your opponent's victory over you, is telling you as clearly as posible "Do not take me for counsel."

Similarly, if the purported leaders of the GOP admitted their true, Arch-Randian belief that the nation-state is outmoded and all that matters is an elite citizenship in the Transnational Archilbertarian Belief system, US Citizens would know to not heed their counsel.

No one would bother listening to anyone admitting, right up front, "I'm utterly indifferent to your fate."

Yet that is in fact the hidden deep nelief of the globalists. If a US citizen and a foreign immigrant find themselves in competition -- as all things in life find themselves in competition, outside the babytalk liberal babblings that we're all on the same team -- and the foreign immigrant wins out, well, that's not really anyone's problem but the citizen who lost out. Other US citizens should not have been rooting for the US citizen to prevail, nor think it a bad thing that he lost. To harbor such Pro-US-Citizen sympaties is inherently Racist.

The globalists/anti-nationalists won't admit this, because if they did, people would naturally say "Then why in FUCK'S NAME should we follow your prescritpions? By your own admission you do not care if we win or lose; you think it would be racist to care either way."

So they continue to hide this central premise -- but not particularly well, because their disdain for their fellow citizens, and their revulsion at the disgusting racist impulse called 'nationalism," is palpable.

It used to be only the left thought this way. I routinely used to bait the left by asking them a hypothetical: if you're the uS coast guard, and can save only a US citizen or a foreign national from drowning, which would you choose? *

Liberals proudly said "I would not choose," and refuse to answer -- they considered it an article of their cult belief system that to privilege the American in this hypothetical would be racist and unenlightened. The enlightened view -- and they're all about showing off their enlightened view -- is to take a God's Eye View of the situation. God, not being American, would have no reason to favor the American life. Only a lowly human with his primitive nationalism would see things this way.

So, you know, liberals merely wish to show themselves to be the equals of God Himself as far as objectively.

So, liberals have always believed this.

But it's only been the past five or six year -- and especially the past year -- where I've seen so many "conservative" masks come peeling off to reveal how thoroughly they agre with their libera elite (???)_ brethren on this point.

Megan Mcardle delivers a warning to these people: You'd better get over your Moral Preening over the idea of favoring your fellow citizen over a foreign one, or your current crop of followers are going to fire you and find a lawyer who does not find it repulsively racist to favor their clients over their opponents:

In some ways, the modernity that we thought was supposed to wash nationalism away on the tide of history made things worse for the cause of mass migration. For the first few centuries of its existence, America had a chronic labor shortage, which eased any frictions with new arrivals. We also lacked a modern welfare state, to which low-skilled immigrants are likely to be net costs rather than net contributors. I heard the strain on the National Health Service cited multiple times this weekend as a sore spot for Brexiteers, and though the “Remain” campaign says “You’ve got it all wrong, the problem is Conservative budget cuts,” this rather aggressively misses the point: When things are hard, immigrants compete with natives for scarce government resources, and the natives don’t like the competition.

I don't know whether Britain will end up leaving the EU; based on my conversations this weekend, and the polls, I’d put the chances at slightly above 50 percent. But that’s not a very educated guess, and I wouldn’t stake anything important, like money or the future of my country, on its correctness. Even if Remain wins, however, elites will face the question of what to do next. They can decide that they’ve skated by the crisis and may now return to business as usual while they wait for the populist storms to blow over. But there’s a real danger in doing so, in Britain or in any of the other countries that are currently being swept by populist movements. The storm may indeed pass, but it may blow up into a hurricane -- and the majority may go shopping for a new elite, one they trust to take care of people like them.

She notes that at some point, it no longer matters if you largely agree with what a self-claimed elite says they believe -- if you simply no longer believe they're on your side (as the GOP base decided of its leadership this year) then you simply fire them, period, and seek out a new lawyer who's not too proud and too maroally narcisistic to make an occasional argument to defend your interests.


By the way: this is why voters turned on Liberal Democrats beginning in 1980. At some point voters got sick of the liberals constantly adding new clients higher in priority to themselves, forever subordinating their own interests to their new clients' interests.

Eventually, the public fired the liberal Democrats from the presidency. It would take a disastrous turn in 1992 for the public to risk a Democratic Presidency again. (It also took a Democratic candidate essentially repudiating liberal Democratic politics and promising to favor the middle class once again.)

The GOP elite is following the liberal Democrats down this same path to irrelevance.

At some point, people will believe you when you keep telling them you have higher priorities than looking out for their interests.

Is there a single American out there who believes the radical Randian Paul Ryan is actually looking out for Americans ?

* I remember being frustrated, because I'd designed the hypothetical to show them that, despite their protestations, they actually did favor Americans over non-Americans. I thoght the hypothetical would cause them to realize this, or that they would dodge the question/evade the hypothetical until that became obvious.

Intead, they surprised me: They didn't dodge the question at all. They straight-up declared they had no patriotic fellow-feeling for their fellow Americans -- as all thinking people naturally should not -- and would not choose between them on nationality alone. They'd rather flip a coin than knee-jerkedly favor the American.

I designed the hypotehtical to be a trap, and to expose their anti-Americanism to themselves. I was astonished to find out they already knew they were anti-American, and couldn't wait for the opportunity to proclaim that.

I'm afraid the current GOP leadership class is not quite so honest about this at the current time, as they're serving as the leadership of a party that once used to believe in a concept called "patriotism," or at least pretended to.

I think I prefer the liberals, in all honesty. At least they were straight about what they believed.

BTW: I call this an "arch-libertarian position" because, well, it is. Libertarians believe that nationalism is just another kind of collectivism, and as evil as the others.

Now, honestly, nationalism certainly is a kind of collectivism. Any fidelity to any corporate (many-body) organization is of course a kind of collectivism.

But an evil one?

I get libertarians saying this -- but not conservatives.

If you don't believe in patriotism, you cannot believe in a Just War-- for why should you favor the lives of your own fellow citizens over the lives of foreign ones?

That jibes with Libertarianism's toddler philosophy that War Harms Trees and Other Living Things.

But I cannot get "conservates" attackign nationalism/patriotism -- and at the same time agitating for war.

If patriotism is racism, then any warfare contducted by a nation-state is, by defintion, a racist war.

"Conservatives" buying into this theory seem to support war while rejecting the entire underlying premise that justifies a war -- the idea that we can, and should, favor our own lives over any foreigners who wish to deprive of our lives.

If we have no real basis, except for crude racism, to favor ourselves over any others, what the hell are we doing organizing men into divisions for?

Patriotism and the Honor of Soldiers: If you accept the basic premise that it's a good thing to favor your fellow citizens, then soldiers are honorable fighters because they're vindicating this virtuous impulse.

If, however, you reject the idea of patriotism -- which is just the polite word for nationalism; let's not play semantic games, they're the same thing -- then soldiers are nothing but thugs we hire to kill people when we have disputes with them.

I just don't see how you can claim to be patriotic, or to be "pro-miliatry," when you dn't believe in the central pillar of patriotism -- a favoring of one's fellows over any other claimants for one's loyalties or sympathies.

Tht's not the same as jingoism- you don't have to be an ultranationalist to be a nationalist, nor do you have to be a my-country-right-or-wrong jingoist to be a patriot.

But when you're routinely slurring the idea of nationalism generally, and claiming that anyone who favors one's fellow citizens over non-citizens is a small-brained provincial little racist collectivist, you're denying that soldiers are anything more than amoral mercenaries hired by one group to defend them and their interests.

I could see people slurring the "bad kind" of patriotism -- jingoism -- and the "bad kind" of nationalism -- ultranationalism. The idea that we should always, in every single case, privilege "Ours" over "Theirs," no matter how wrong "Ours" might be in a particular case, or no matter how little it would take to help "Theirs" with a minor sacrifice by "Ours."

That makes sense to me. I can see arguments on such points.

But I never thought I'd see the GOP "elite" attacking nationalism qua nationalism, that is, any amount of nationalism, any amount of patriotism, as inherently tribalist, collectivist, primitive, and a kissing cousin of racism.

But then, I'm learning a lot of about the party I thought I had affinity with lately.

I think I'm probably learning more about group-based "thinking" over actual thinking by individuals than about the party -- that is, I think I'm just relearning every single day that people are far stupider when they "think" in packs than when they think as individuals -- but I do think I'm lesrning something about the party as a whole as well.

I did not realize until the past few months that nationalism -- patriotism -- was controversial not merely among liberals (who are honest enough to brand themselves cosmopolitan transnationalists and anti-patritots), but controversial among the leaders of the alleged "patriotic party" as well.

Posted by: Ace at 05:26 PM




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1 Ace to the barrel? I hope your eyes are feeling better soon.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:28 PM (egOGm)

2 Kilroy was here.

Posted by: Kilroy at June 17, 2016 05:29 PM (Dx2t8)

3 I am a citizen of the World.

Posted by: Predisent (sic) Fuckup at June 17, 2016 05:29 PM (1ijHg)

4 I like the Coast Guard example.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 17, 2016 05:30 PM (h53OH)

5 Link no work.

Posted by: Jason M at June 17, 2016 05:30 PM (lnByf)

6 Ummm. Busted link.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 17, 2016 05:30 PM (h53OH)

7 Italicans rule.

And get rescued first.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:30 PM (C9pBZ)

8 Whoa! What a strange ride it has been.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:30 PM (1ijHg)

9 Out damned Eyetalics, Out! I say!

Posted by: The Spear known as Shake at June 17, 2016 05:31 PM (Dx2t8)

10 The report was slanted. But it got better.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 05:32 PM (GSdpU)

11 The link, she's busted.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2016 05:32 PM (8ZskC)

12
Nationalism, historically, is a word that is rather problematic, vis a vis Hitler, imperialism etc.

I love my country, am a patriot, defend her to the hilt and think we need to defend our interests here and abroad vigorously but intelligently.

Nationalist? Not so much.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (p4UlV)

13 But lawyers only care about getting paid.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (qlpyb)

14 No wonder Ace went blind.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (HgMAr)

15 But lawyers only care about getting paid.


Sir, you wound me deeply.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (8ZskC)

16 I hate to sound mean but I would save the American.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (egOGm)

17
I'm a resident of the world but a citizen of the US of A.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (p4UlV)

18 Muslims get preference because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" or in Obama's case, "The enemy of America is my friend."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (1ijHg)

19 So wait, our political leaders don't care if our economy is good or bad just so long as someone mows their lawn?

Is that right?! I think I will just take my daily Soma and this won't bother me so much any more.

Posted by: MTF at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (/m8T6)

20 I think this is the article the link should go to

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/
2016-06-17/britain-s-elites-ignore-the-masses-at-their-peril

Posted by: ArthurK at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (h53OH)

21 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (p4UlV)
Eat something, the housekeeper will be back next week.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (egOGm)

22 The Uniparty is transnational. Also, they are the London Boys of politics.

Posted by: MTF at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (/m8T6)

23 Can we restart with different people in charge. This set has gotten pretty stupid and they make bad deals.

Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (8J/Te)

24 14,
There's a joke there, somewhere, but I just can't quite get a grip on it...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (C9pBZ)

25 This post needs some formatting cleanup.

Posted by: JEM at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (o+SC1)

26
I hope the Brits exit. I smell a rigged election the other way, but I still hope. And even if they do, it may be way too late for them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (p4UlV)

27 true, every word of it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_and_the_dogs_relocating_to_more_rural_area_asap at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (3X3ZR)

28 When "serious" men will not do what is needed then a clown will have to do.

And he may not have the squeaky red nose but he does have the wacky hair.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (z/Ubi)

29 24 14,
There's a joke there, somewhere, but I just can't quite get a grip on it...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:35 PM (C9pBZ)


We can.

- - Rosie Palmer and her 4 Sisters.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:36 PM (p4UlV)

30 Well, I say if it don't matter why do we have a stinking gubbermint at ALL then? Why the hell are we keeping useless layabouts like King Putts and his nitwit entourage, not to mention the entire State Dept bozos, TSA, etc, etc, on our backs and in our wallets if "the nation" doesn't matter? Go get jobs chasing alligators out of resort areas, jerks. We don't need you anymore either. It's everybody for themselves.

Posted by: Buck O'Fama at June 17, 2016 05:36 PM (mdhLY)

31 Here's the link....

http://tinyurl.com/gvlajke

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:36 PM (Zu3d9)

32
Actually 5 sisters, but Yakuza.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:36 PM (p4UlV)

33 It's not nationalism v. internationalism. It's meaning v. nihilism.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (Nwg0u)

34 "Smell a rigged election"

Nah, that's just Hillary.

/Huma

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (C9pBZ)

35 I think George Orwell is snorting blow off of Ayn Rand's ass while they laugh their asses off. Marx is jerking off in the corner.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (SeD0w)

36 13 But lawyers only care about getting paid.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (qlpyb)

Oh for Chrissakes, here we go again.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (0mRoj)

37 21 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (p4UlV)
Eat something, the housekeeper will be back next week.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:34 PM (egOGm)


I may die of starvation by then!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (p4UlV)

38 I'm signed on for the Texit option.

Let's make Texas a Republic again.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (v5iqM)

39 Well, I say if it don't matter why do we have a stinking gubbermint at ALL then? Why the hell are we keeping useless layabouts like King Putts and his nitwit entourage, not to mention the entire State Dept bozos, TSA, etc, etc, on our backs and in our wallets if "the nation" doesn't matter?

It's all about maximization of profit.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at June 17, 2016 05:38 PM (8ZskC)

40 Ace must have hit the i key on his new dictaphone.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:38 PM (HgMAr)

41
Bloomberg.com : British Elite ignore the masses at their peril.

I was going to cut and paste the url out of the source but that would have emwidened the center and pissed off everyone, unless I embedded spaces which would have pissed off everyone that wasn't pissed off by the emwidening.

Posted by: Kautious Lee at June 17, 2016 05:38 PM (06Zti)

42 I may die of starvation by then!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (p4UlV)

Wife's out of town?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:39 PM (Zu3d9)

43 Well, I for one NEED my yard guy, cleaning lady, cook, and nanny!
****disclosure: I really only need two of the four****

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 05:39 PM (xVgrA)

44 So you're saying that Marx has a grip on things...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (C9pBZ)

45 42
Wife's out of town?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:39 PM (Zu3d9)

Til tomorrow. But I do the cooking.

I think I'll make a marinara sauce and some spaghetti.

Or go out and get a burger.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (p4UlV)

46 maroally?

I get the gist most of the time, and understand the AceVis. This one i.dont.know.

Been contemplating/procrastinating with vision things that don't get better, but not worse, sortof.

God's blessing on Ace's operation and get all well.

Posted by: micky at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (o5vMc)

47 Guess ace can see again.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (kTF2Z)

48 American Leadership:

We fundamentally transformed America into a third world shithole because that's where we came from and that's who we are.

Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2016 05:41 PM (f40FU)

49 You read it here first.

After the vote in which a majority of the electorate choose to BREXIT, the EU and the UK Parliament will chose to IGNORE it.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:41 PM (1ijHg)

50 It's funny though - I'm the only homeowner in the greater Houston area who seems to cut my own grass...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:41 PM (C9pBZ)

51 Or go out and get a burger.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (p4UlV)

Mermaid Oyster Bar on McDougal. $1 oysters until 7:00pm, fun Happy-Hour cocktails, and they make a kick-ass seafood salad.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (Zu3d9)

52 I loath the saying, "that's not who we are." Who the hell is we? Not me!

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (xVgrA)

53 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:37 PM (p4UlV
I always use poor phrasing. If you make a mess, the housekeeper will clean it again next week.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (egOGm)

54 51 Or go out and get a burger.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (p4UlV)

Mermaid Oyster Bar on McDougal. $1 oysters until 7:00pm, fun Happy-Hour cocktails, and they make a kick-ass seafood salad.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (Zu3d9)


Yeah, I know. Right around the corner from me. But I hate to eat alone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (p4UlV)

55 marinara and spaghetti without meat is like a sister's kiss.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (1ijHg)

56 Anon @ 50.

Nope. Suffered through the hell of pushing the mower, only yesterday.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (v5iqM)

57 No pudding until you eat your meat.

Posted by: Killerdog at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (rAsP5)

58 When I visited my daughter in Ohio, I saw white gardeners and fast food workers. Pretty sure that is illegal here.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (6Ll1u)

59 Geez, even some of our own Ace-holes aren't even sure they put Americans first.

This is like the Catholic concept of subsidiarity, or something. We are best equipped to take care of our own people, because they're here, rather than being responsible for everyone everywhere else. We can see if what we do actually helps or hurts. And other countries should be best at taking care of their own people, etc..this is simple logistics.

It really kind of hurts to think my government doesn't care more about me than every other person in the world. You know, like fuck it, get drunk and pop Percocet hurt.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (eG5Q2)

60
I hope the wife doesnt come back and find JJ starved to death and have eaten by the cats -- though I am sure he would taste delicious...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (iQIUe)

61 Wow

So Ace's eyes are good then?

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (Cq0oW)

62 49,
We'll never know the number of Brits who voted to leave the EU, but the remain side will have the majority of ballots.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:44 PM (C9pBZ)

63 52 I loath the saying, "that's not who we are." Who the hell is we? Not me!
Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (xVgrA)



Pardon me, you jug-eared layabout joyboy. YOU are not who WE THE PEOPLE are.

So kindly get fucked.

(directed at Obama)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:44 PM (p4UlV)

64 have = half

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 05:44 PM (iQIUe)

65 Anon,
There are two guys on my street who do their own yards in Austin. Only one looks good though.

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 05:44 PM (xVgrA)

66 go get some ground beef, (I would also highly recommend a spicy italian sausage, but I don't know if you are kosher)


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:44 PM (1ijHg)

67
I am going on five years or so now that I totally believe its the govt vs everybody else. Now I always bitched about the govt of course, but I always racked it up to bureaucratic incompetence and the democrat party. I now believe both parties and govt in general are actively undermining the nation. It is in fact liberty vs tyranny, and tyranny is winning.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 05:44 PM (ODxAs)

68 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (iQIUe)
Or his wife to come home to a dirty kitchen after the housekeeper was there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (egOGm)

69 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (p4UlV)

Me too, except at a bar.

We're having lamb tomorrow night. If your wife is delayed, you are welcome to join us.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (Zu3d9)

70 keep kosher, not are kosher.

You are halal.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (1ijHg)

71 60
I hope the wife doesnt come back and find JJ starved to death and have eaten by the cats -- though I am sure he would taste delicious...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (iQIUe)

"Marie Provost" by Nick Lowe

Google it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (p4UlV)

72 Too much stress having a housekeeper. I spend too much time cleaning up before she gets here.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (HgMAr)

73
Nationalist? Not so much.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (p4UlV)
---------------------

Nationalism as applied to America is different, though. There's an ideal involved, a thing that makes -- please don't take this the wrong way, it used to be good -- that makes it possible for anyone to be American, regardless of his/her country of origin.

Example, Milo Yiannopoulos.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (pC96u)

74 69 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (p4UlV)

Me too, except at a bar.

We're having lamb tomorrow night. If your wife is delayed, you are welcome to join us.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (Zu3d9)


I also have my buddy in town, but thanks for the offer. Hope your mom is doing better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (p4UlV)

75 54 51 Or go out and get a burger.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:40 PM (p4UlV)

Mermaid Oyster Bar on McDougal. $1 oysters until 7:00pm, fun Happy-Hour cocktails, and they make a kick-ass seafood salad.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (Zu3d9)


Yeah, I know. Right around the corner from me. But I hate to eat alone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:42 PM (p4UlV)

Some of us eat alone all the time. Suck it up. I thought New Yorkers were all tough and shit!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (0mRoj)

76 Well, I did buy a self propelled mower...

String trimmer, not so much.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (C9pBZ)

77 Aristocracy always transcends national boundaries.

Every now and then the masses figure out they are yet again been enslaved (by any other name), rise up, and kill them.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (P/kVC)

78 Wow

So Ace's eyes are good then?

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (Cq0oW)
...............

Go ahead, ask him how many fingers you are holding up.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (HgMAr)

79 Damn, Sefton, if I was up there I'd join you. I'm batching it myself until Sunday and I'd love a dozen oysters and a beer right now.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (CAKDm)

80 73 Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:45 PM (pC96u)


For me, what you describe is "patriot." Nationalist has too many bad connotations, as I had mentioned.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (p4UlV)

81 _ then you simply fire them

From your lips...


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (242F/)

82
I think Texas is our only hope if Hillary gets elected.

The first illegal or anti-American thing she tries, someone's got to say NO to the federal government and back it up with -- what was it Andrew Jackson said -- something about a number of divisions.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (pC96u)

83 Speaking of pushback:

https://goo.gl/lrdnTN

I think I'm going to send every one of these AGs a thank-you note.

Posted by: JEM at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (o+SC1)

84 It goes deeper...

Why fight for those who don't care if we win or lose... who give away victories for political expediency...

Who give the very enemies you fought against, treaties and advantages???

Viet Nam if part of the Trans Pacific Trade Pact.

Iran, who is complicit in many Soldiers Deaths, direct and indirect (Beirut Lebanon was DIRECTLY planned by them, and they supported bad guys in Afghan, and Iraq).... yet we have now given them a total pass on behavior...

Hell... Saudi Arabians were the ones who did 9/11... yet OPEC is still an illegal multinational conspiracy to dictate oil prices...

China was still providing Viet Nam with Arms, when Dick Nixon went to China to open up trade with them...

Hell.... we KNOWINGLY armed ISIS, in a bid to take down Assad because he supported Russia, not us....

I can't express the bitterness I, as a Vet, feel.... because the most effective Enemy the US Soldier has.... is his own Government.

Posted by: Don Q........ at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (qf6WZ)

85 Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (6Ll1u)
I have a white housekeeper, but every other service person who comes here( painter, tree trimmers etc.) any laborer aren't. Even the drive thru at In n out burger I can't understand them.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (egOGm)

86 75 Some of us eat alone all the time. Suck it up. I thought New Yorkers were all tough and shit!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (0mRoj)

I'm a gentle, little petunia you fucking prick, ya'!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (p4UlV)

87
For me, what you describe is "patriot." Nationalist has too many bad connotations, as I had mentioned.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (p4UlV)
----------------

In a way, "nationalism" doesn't even apply to America. I'll go with Americanism. There's anti-Americanism God knows.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (pC96u)

88 Yeah, when I was up in Pennsylvania last month it seemed like all the landscapers, construction workers, and road crews where white. That's weird!!! I don't think I've seen any white people around here doing any of those jobs, except the engineers on road crews....maybe.

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (xVgrA)

89 So Ace's eyes are good then?

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 05:43 PM (Cq0oW)



You should probably stick with ALL CAPS for the important stuff, just in case.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (8ZskC)

90 87 In a way, "nationalism" doesn't even apply to America. I'll go with Americanism. There's anti-Americanism God knows.
Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (pC96u)


On this, I concur.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:49 PM (p4UlV)

91 Back in the day, I was interviewing a candidate for an engineering position. Entry level, college graduates. She was talking about "shifting to America".

Shifting? What the hell is that?

She came off as that was normal.

Shifting. That is what the Muslims are doing.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:49 PM (1ijHg)

92 Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 05:46 PM (0mRoj)
I go eat by myself during the day. I know the people that work there, no big deal. I bring a book.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:49 PM (egOGm)

93 The other problem with government elites using redistribution to salve their troubled souls is that when government becomes Daddy, and gives away your toys to your brother because he likes your brother better, sibling rivalry results. Check Cain and Abel.

So all power mongers have used socialism to divide the polity and ignite revolution. And now that's where we at.

Posted by: PJ at June 17, 2016 05:50 PM (cHuNI)

94 Who would I rescue from drowning?

Boobs.
And if there are no boobs, then the American.

Posted by: wooga at June 17, 2016 05:50 PM (TS0uO)

95 91 Shifting. That is what the Muslims are doing.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:49 PM (1ijHg)

SHAPE-shifting?! The JUICE!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:50 PM (p4UlV)

96 mmmmm, oysters

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_and_the_dogs_relocating_to_more_rural_area_asap at June 17, 2016 05:50 PM (3X3ZR)

97 It's funny though - I'm the only homeowner in the greater Houston area who seems to cut my own grass...

Hired a crew from the local ARC. Hard workers, and citizens.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 17, 2016 05:51 PM (YEelc)

98 To the GOP, Americanism is a dirty, filthy, obscene word.

Cause, love, peace and multi-culti.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:51 PM (1ijHg)

99 A N D U S E S P A C E S.
H I , A C E .

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:51 PM (HgMAr)

100 I never eat alone.
I always have body guards with me.


Posted by: Kautious Lee at June 17, 2016 05:51 PM (06Zti)

101 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (p4UlV)

Heh. The very picture of a delicate flower of innocent virtue, indeed.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 05:51 PM (0mRoj)

102 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (p4UlV)

There is a great hole-in-the-wall taco place around the corner from Katz's.

"Taqueria Lower East Side."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:52 PM (Zu3d9)

103
House OKs military plan to recruit illegal aliens...

Army plans to layoff 40,000 soldiers...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 05:52 PM (iQIUe)

104
To the GOP, Americanism is a dirty, filthy, obscene word.

Cause, love, peace and multi-culti.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:51 PM (1ijHg)

------------------------

Then AMERICANISM it is. AMERICANISM AMERICANISM AMERICANISM.

Fuck you, GOPe.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:52 PM (pC96u)

105 So pasta and sauce, and a salad it is.

Got me a nice wine too. Borealis, Willamette Valley white.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:52 PM (p4UlV)

106 102 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:48 PM (p4UlV)

There is a great hole-in-the-wall taco place around the corner from Katz's.

"Taqueria Lower East Side."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo -- Am Yisrael Chai at June 17, 2016 05:52 PM (Zu3d9)


A bit of a schlep but it is a nice night.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (p4UlV)

107 my eyes aren't so good. i know theyre are a lot of tpos but i can't see them.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)

108 How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for transnational globalists?

Posted by: John Cary at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (X4FeV)

109 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (GwIKd)

110 Got me a nice wine too. Borealis, Willamette Valley white.
------
Did your sommelier recommend it?

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (xVgrA)

111 Who would I rescue from drowning?

Boobs.
..................

I thought the boobs kind of rescued themselves.
, ,
( ) ( )

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (HgMAr)

112 Margin Status:

Not Blown: [ ]

Blown: [X]


Speaking of shelfish, this is hilarious:

Www.http://tinyurl..com/Jim-Gaffigan-Seafood

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (7Ol+s)

113 well, that failed

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (HgMAr)

114 You cannot have open borders and a generous welfare system.

Something somebody smarter than me said

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (9iR5/)

115 Going away to watch "Special Report."

We are so fucked.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (1ijHg)

116 Although they sugar coat it, the WaPo characterizes three main Donk gun control arguments as untrue.

The sugar coating includes concluding that the Searchlight Strangler statement was just a slip of the tongue and that Senator Murphy almost weasel worded it enough to kinda be true.

http://tinyurl.com/z3od9kc

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (Nwg0u)

117 "Arch-Randian?" You must be reading a different Ayn Rand than I've been reading all my life.

If you decided to actually refer to her work, pay particular attention to her views on libertarianism.

Posted by: TB at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (UXEYz)

118
It's bullshit like this from the Remain 'luvvies" that pisses me off:

Sue Perkins @sueperkins
And shame on all those who have insulted the electorate over the last few months with their relentless rhetoric of hate, fear and exclusion.

=================
What a hypocrite.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (iQIUe)

119
my eyes aren't so good. i know theyre are a lot of tpos but i can't see them.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
-------------------

Your fingers must have been divinely guided.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (pC96u)

120 We are not voting our way out of our predicament.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (3Xxpy)

121 Ayeeeeeyaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!

Run for your lives!!!!!!!

The black diamonds . . . . . .

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (7Ol+s)

122 Wow. This is a lot of writing. Hopefully, ace isn't pushing too hard while still out there on the wrong end of the eye-healing curve.

That said,

"Is there a single American out there who believes the radical Randian Paul Ryan is actually looking out for Americans?"

Given the colossal amount of government pork, pelf, and piffle which is routinely rubber-stamped through at budget time (or more accurately at "cromnibus" time) by Lyin' Ryan, it's hard to characterize him as a Randian of any sort.

Really more than anything else he just seems to be a nitwit, and a systematically dishonest nitwit at that.

Any executive summary of Ryan's claims to be a conservative would have to include this gem: the big labor unions were absolutely desperate to get rid of the heavy "Cadillac tax" with which Obamacare was shortly to lumber the platinum-plated health care of Big Labor.

This distress of theirs could have been used as leverage to gently coerce the unions, and their numerous political catspaws, into a coalition to repeal and replace Obamacare. Perhaps not requiring said unions and catspaws to go out and actively campaign for RR, but at least diminishing their active opposition to RR.

Instead, Ryan used his potent position as Speaker to simply write a repeal of the Cadillac taxes on Big Labor into one of the cromnibus bills -- and then, incredibly, to list the enactment of that proviso as having been a, quote, _key conservative victory_, unquote. When in fact what it did was to further entrench Obamacare like a swollen tick into the body politic.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2016 05:56 PM (noWW6)

123
well, that failed
Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:54 PM (HgMAr)
-------------------

Bad plastic surgery.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (pC96u)

124 121 Ayeeeeeyaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!

Run for your lives!!!!!!!

The black diamonds . . . . . .
Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2016 05:55 PM (7Ol+s)

Ski this thread at your own peril.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (0mRoj)

125 Does anyone know which McDonalds have the fellatio fish?? Is there a limit per customer???

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (U1Wra)

126 I saw the Black Diamonds open for the Blown Seals back in 1997 at the Gorge at George, WA.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (7Ol+s)

127 Things no longer work well when people don't care for their own more than for others.

Imagine a family where the parents weren't rooting for and advocating for their own kids. Then who would be advocating for them? Nobody. Imagine a family which was totally dispassionate as to whether their child got into college, got medical care, or even was allowed to not get murdered, because they were expected to care at least as much about strangers.

Who would want a family like that? That would not be a family, and would not function as a family.

Its the same with larger societal structures. Imagine a neighborhood, or a whole town that was indifferent to its own well-being, and didn't care if they got screwed. Same thing when an entire country rejects its own self-interest. Things won't work so well, because then nobody cares about anybody.

Add to that the notion that we are actually supposed to care MORE for people of (and from) other countries than we do for ourselves, and we are on a suicidal path. Yet that is what our government and leaders expect us to do.

They expect us to sacrifice ourselves, or we're racist or something.

Actually, it is plain to me that, for some reason I don't understand, we are now second-class citizens in our own country, and the country is being taken away from us as rapidly as possible and given to non-law-abiding non-citizens, as is happening in Europe. It pains me to watch this play out. A lot.

I think the reasons for this are probably (a) enhancement of leaders'own finances in power, and possibly (b) belief that the caring societal circle can be forced to encompass the whole world. But I don't think it can, as the kind of altruism and loyalty required diminish as you move from the family into larger groups. As it is, countries often break down when the familial bonds from the people to it are weakened. I don't think it can work with the whole world.

Mainly, though, I think it's (a) - money and power - that drives this destruction of our country.

Posted by: Alana at June 17, 2016 05:58 PM (NftUw)

128 >> How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for
>> transnational globalists?

You offer him shitloads of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isd56mshPI

(sorry can't come up with a vid of these guys back in the Thatcher days)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndkSzDT0rhY

(I'll let my daughter play my Dollyrots pandora channel, but not the Liz Phair channel yet...)



Posted by: JEM at June 17, 2016 05:59 PM (o+SC1)

129 123
Bad plastic surgery.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (pC96u)
..............

Botched.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:59 PM (HgMAr)

130 Isn't a difference between nationalism and patriotism though? I recall that Jonah Goldberg defined the difference between the two in Liberal Fascism. I think nationalism is the belief that a group of people are superior to all others and patriotism (in the American sense) is the belief that our ideas are superior.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (0AHgl)

131
Change of plans: cheeses, chorizo, grapes and wine.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (p4UlV)

132 Any good books on street fighting?

Or for stuff like that

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (GwIKd)

133 129 123
Bad plastic surgery.

Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (pC96u)
..............

Botched.
Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 05:59 PM (HgMAr)


What do you mean? I look fantastic!

Posted by: Donatella Versace at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (0mRoj)

134 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (p4UlV)
Sounds good, when will it be ready?

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (egOGm)

135
I thought he meant "arch" as "opposed to" like arch enemy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (ODxAs)

136 Ace did you watch Naked and Afraid last night?
Because it might help when their asses are blurry.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (HgMAr)

137 You'd better get over your Moral Preening over the idea of favoring your fellow citizen over a foreign one, or your current crop of followers are going to fire you and find a lawyer who does not find it repulsively racist to favor their clients over their opponents:

you mean like Trump?

Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (2Ocf1)

138 134 Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (egOGm)


Nibbling as we speak, toots! L'chaim!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (p4UlV)

139 For the most part a nation had one language and culture.

When there are more than one things get interesting

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2016 06:02 PM (GwIKd)

140 132
Any good books on street fighting?

Or for stuff like that

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (GwIKd)
--------Years and years ago, I just browsed through the Anarchist's Cookbook. IIRC a lot of stuff in there about urban guerrilla warfare type stuff.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:03 PM (9iR5/)

141

If we are all "citizens if the world" now, why are we always stuck being the police? Why are we always the ones who have to do the organized dying? Why are we always the worlds military?

You cannot demand people die for a place they have no link to for an idea they do not support! There will always be agrees ice despots and there will always be war, and that's why human have organized themselves thusly. Fealty to a place or an idea that had meaning to them


Who will fight and die for globalism? Nobody

Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:03 PM (zOTsN)

142 House OKs military plan to recruit illegal aliens...

Army plans to layoff 40,000 soldiers...

.Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! a


Special orders, special duty, doing the work Americans won't do.


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 17, 2016 06:03 PM (242F/)

143 #12 J. J. Sefton

How about believing in the privilege of being a citizen?

As far as I can see, the only benefit of being a US citizen is that I now get to support millions of legal and illegal immigrants. And public employee unions.

Posted by: Jack at June 17, 2016 06:04 PM (YX9fV)

144 Aggressive despots. Jeez

Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:04 PM (zOTsN)

145 132 Any good books on street fighting?

Or for stuff like that
Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2016 06:00 PM (GwIKd)

Look up Marc McYoung's books.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 06:04 PM (0mRoj)

146 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:01 PM (p4UlV)
I'm going shopping in the morning, I'm going to get some grapes and some good cheese, crackers. It's going to be hot on Sunday. That kind of thing is my favorite lunch to have by the pool.
You made me hungry.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 06:04 PM (egOGm)

147 Street fighting requires a tribe. No tribe means your ass gets kicked.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 06:04 PM (U1Wra)

148 Does anyone know which McDonalds have the fellatio fish?? Is there a limit per customer???

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (U1Wra)
.....................

Be sure to ask for extra secret sauce.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:05 PM (HgMAr)

149 Sorry, it's MacYoung.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 06:05 PM (0mRoj)

150 I will not fight and die for sharia law, or for countries that will not fight for themselves

I will not fight and die for globalism

Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:05 PM (zOTsN)

151 tl : dr...

but i'm guessing the short versions is "F the GOPe"

amiright?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 17, 2016 06:06 PM (8WVNP)

152 my eyes aren't so good. i know theyre are a lot of tpos but i can't see them.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)


Please don't overdo it, Ace. Give your eyes time to heal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 06:06 PM (GSdpU)

153 Yet that is in fact the hidden deep nelief of the globalists. If a US
citizen and a foreign immigrant find themselves in competition



Responding
to a question his father, Arthur Sulzberger, Sr., asked: "If a young
American soldier comes upon a young North Vietnamese soldier, which one
do you want to see get shot?"

Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., current publisher of the NYT: "[That's] the dumbest question I ever
heard in my life. I would want to see the American get shot. It's the
other guy's country."



Now, by extension, this is OUR country, so what would young Sulzberger's take be on illegal aliens and on Muslims? Hmmm?


We all know: he'd favor an illegal alien and a Muslim over an American, too, wouldn't he? A pattern seems to be developing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:07 PM (oKE6c)

154 152 my eyes aren't so good. i know theyre are a lot of tpos but i can't see them.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)


Please don't overdo it, Ace. Give your eyes time to heal.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 06:06 PM (GSdpU)

And don't scratch. You'll go blind. And don't remove the bandages too early or you'll go blind.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 06:07 PM (0mRoj)

155 my eyes aren't so good. i know theyre are a lot of tpos but i can't see them.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)

Ewok pron. Much more powerful than human pron.

Posted by: Mr. Magoo at June 17, 2016 06:08 PM (X4FeV)

156 Paul Ryan builds a wall around his house. Security Guards 24/7

Now that he and his own are safe, he can safely sell-out the American people.

Posted by: Jack at June 17, 2016 06:08 PM (YX9fV)

157 Special orders, special duty, doing the work Americans won't do.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 17, 2016 06:03 PM (242F/)



Can you say "Tianamen Square?" I knew you could.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:09 PM (oKE6c)

158 146 You made me hungry.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 06:04 PM (egOGm)

Don't forget the olives. I personally don't like them but wifey loves them. We had a most memorable meal of wine, olives, cheese, breads outdoors in a cafe in Barcelona's Barre Gotic (sp).

That's actually her ideal "last meal."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:09 PM (p4UlV)

159 And don't scratch. You'll go blind. And don't remove the bandages too early or you'll go blind.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 06:07 PM (0mRoj)
-----------And stop doing that other thing, you know which one I'm talking about.
'Cause you'll go blind.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:09 PM (9iR5/)

160 Drink lots of fluids (beer) and get lots of rest (Norco).

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:09 PM (HgMAr)

161 Ewok pron. Much more powerful than human pron.

Posted by: Mr. Magoo at June 17, 2016 06:08 PM (X4FeV)


Causes hairless palms. And blindness. But mostly blindness.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 06:10 PM (GSdpU)

162 I can't express the bitterness I, as a Vet, feel.... because the most effective Enemy the US Soldier has.... is his own Government.
Posted by: Don Q........ at June 17, 2016 05:47 PM (qf6WZ)

---

Oh, I do understand what you're feeling, brother.

What makes me smile, however, is that our enemy has trained us well.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 06:10 PM (rlfds)

163 And don't scratch. You'll go blind. And don't remove the bandages too early or you'll go blind.... And don't Fap or you'll go blind.

Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 06:10 PM (v0YLX)

164 I had to install the window a/c today, a little early. But we are supposed to get hot hot, people are going to die hot. Fucking hot as hell hot I tell you. Good thing that I'm only a mile from the beach hot.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 17, 2016 06:11 PM (6Ll1u)

165 Megan Mcardle delivers a warning to these people: You'd better get over
your Moral Preening over the idea of favoring your fellow citizen over a
foreign one, or your current crop of followers are going to fire you
and find a lawyer who does not find it repulsively racist to favor their clients over their opponents



And that's the best case. If the SHTF, we won't risk our necks to save theirs. They're on their own. After all, they've left us on our own. And as all always like to say, reciprocity is the bedrock of human relationships.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:11 PM (oKE6c)

166 Ace, don't know if you read all the comments, but please lay off the computer. I had the same surgery.

You are looking at pixellated images, which are indistinct in the sense that they have fuzzy edges, unlike printed type on a page where the edges of the characters are distinct. And your lenses and eyeballs are continually trying to adjust to resolve the fuzziness - which is impossible.

Your eyes shouldn't be working like that - they should be resting and healing.

What you need to do is stay off the computer for a week or so. Whatever the doc says.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at June 17, 2016 06:12 PM (/WPPJ)

167 Oh, I do understand what you're feeling, brother.


What makes me smile, however, is that our enemy has trained us well.
---
truth.

B-9-2 Harmony Church 1983

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 17, 2016 06:12 PM (8WVNP)

168 153 Yet that is in fact the hidden deep nelief of the globalists. If a US
citizen and a foreign immigrant find themselves in competition


Responding
to a question his father, Arthur Sulzberger, Sr., asked: "If a young
American soldier comes upon a young North Vietnamese soldier, which one
do you want to see get shot?"

Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., current publisher of the NYT: "[That's] the dumbest question I ever
heard in my life. I would want to see the American get shot. It's the
other guy's country."



Now, by extension, this is OUR country, so what would young Sulzberger's take be on illegal aliens and on Muslims? Hmmm?


We all know: he'd favor an illegal alien and a Muslim over an American, too, wouldn't he? A pattern seems to be developing.


No one is shooting Sulzbergers?

Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 06:13 PM (v0YLX)

169 So anyone remember when all that new world order stuff was just a crazy conspiracy theory that could never happen because we wouldn't let it happen? Good times. Good times.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at June 17, 2016 06:13 PM (0AHgl)

170 Ace, dictate your posts to one of your staff!

And tell her to bring you a sammich.

Posted by: PJ at June 17, 2016 06:13 PM (cHuNI)

171 Speaking of going blind. You know those lawyer commercials, the ones that say "If you've taken this drug..."
Well, one came up saying that if you've taken Viagra and have suffered a loss of vision, call 1-800-SUE-THEM!
My first thought was well, your mother warned you about that. And I laughed my ass off. I only saw that commercial one time. I guess everyone else that saw it had the same thought.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:14 PM (9iR5/)

172 Its HOT!

It's AFRICA Hot!

No, Tarzan couldn't take this kinda heat!

Posted by: Neil Simon at June 17, 2016 06:14 PM (R1ejq)

173 How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for
>> transnational globalists?



You offer him shitloads of money.



And when you don't have any money to offer him, because you've pissed it all away on stupid liberal shit (AGW programs, HIGH. SPEED. RAIL., etc.)? Then what?


Then you (as a transnational globalist) start running. Fast.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (oKE6c)

174
Levin is delivering a damn good opening monologue. No screaming. But damn good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (p4UlV)

175 Today 2 union guys were putting up steel gates that block off the dumpster area. They were talking loud as to be heard but other that many were there. The 2 electricians were speaking Spanish to eachother. The one union guy asks the other when did I move out of the country? He didn't remember leaving. The other guy was acknowledged and replied with similar banter. Shortly after (they were outside I was working inside ) I did want to go ask if they were going to vote for Trump as Hillary said day 1 she was going to make every illegal a citizen.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (d9qXV)

176
I like the berets that the IDF wears. We should have an official moron beret. It would be easier to identify each other.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (iQIUe)

177 B-9-2 Harmony Church 1983

** fist bump **

B-2-2 Harmony Church 1982

Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (2hcmo)

178 What did Obama say? Given the choice he would always side with the Muslim man?

Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:16 PM (zOTsN)

179
154 152 my eyes aren't so good. i know theyre are a lot of tpos but i can't see them.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)


Please don't overdo it, Ace. Give your eyes time to heal.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 06:06 PM (GSdpU)

And don't scratch. You'll go blind. And don't remove the bandages too early or you'll go blind.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 06:07 PM (0mRoj)







Scratching, removing bandages......I'm pretty sure that Teh Ewok can resist doing those things to avoid going blind.

It's some of the OTHER stuff that'll make you go blind that he'll have problems with.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2016 06:16 PM (LuZz8)

180 You hypothetical dilemma was too namby-pamby, Ace. I often also ask similar hypotheticals, but mine are much more brutal, and are often peppered with follow-up questions, e.g.:

Your ship sinks and you find yourself on a lifeboat with 20 women and children. The lifeboat is at absolutely maximum capacity -- any more passengers and it would sink and you'd all die. But the lifeboat is also slowly leaking and no one knows how to fix it. You realize that within four hours, it will sink. A passing ship may or may not rescue you -- no way to know. You see another survivor paddling toward the boat. It is a man. He asks to come aboard. You say "No, the boat's too full." But the man notices the boat is leaking and announces as he dogpaddles, "But I am a shipwright! I can fix the leak! Let me aboard"

What do you do?

If they say, "No, don't let him aboard," I then start probing and amending the situation to maximize the dilemma. if the answerer is a liberal, say, "OK, but here's some extra information: The woman and children are all members of the Nazi Party, and the drowning shipwright is black. NOW what do you do?" Etc. etc. etc. Keep amending it til their psyche breaks.

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:16 PM (jBuUi)

181 176
I like the berets that the IDF wears. We should have an official moron beret. It would be easier to identify each other.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (iQIUe)


Shaped like a toupe. On fire.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:16 PM (p4UlV)

182 No one is shooting Sulzbergers?

Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 06:13 PM (v0YLX)

Dunno. Haven't checked the news yet today.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:16 PM (oKE6c)

183 No, Tarzan couldn't take this kinda heat!
---------
Tarzan know where Tarzan go. Best to avoid bush over yonder.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:16 PM (9iR5/)

184 If patriotism is racism, then any warfare conducted by a nation-state is, by definition, a racist war..
------------

It isn't, of course, no matter how convenient the psycho-Left finds it to apply a redefinition which they find convenient to their vapidity.

Jingoism is another matter, I think, and may have something to do with those tribes that Ace discusses from time to time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, back from the range, STRACT at June 17, 2016 06:17 PM (9mTYi)

185 If they were all forced to fight to death and the winner fed to weasels the results would be an improvement.

Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2016 06:17 PM (8J/Te)

186
"They Shoot Sulzbergers, Don't They?"

Great movie. Brian Dennehy played Shoot.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:17 PM (p4UlV)

187 Ace, important question:

Did the doctors and the nurses at the hospital all have pig-noses?

Have you looked in the mirror yet?

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (jBuUi)

188
Have we no wine here???

BBS

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (p4UlV)

189 Oh, I don't know... I don't see anymore typos than usual.

*damn. he can't read this, can he?*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (9mTYi)

190 I did want to go ask if they were going to vote for Trump as Hillary said day 1 she was going to make every illegal a citizen.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (d9qXV)

Did she really say that? I missed it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (oKE6c)

191

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"



that's our president

Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (zOTsN)

192 A country without borders is not a country. Anarchy is looking more attractive every day. I'm more of an anarchist than those stupid shits running around dressed in black anyway.

Posted by: Javems at June 17, 2016 06:19 PM (yOqwj)

193 Ace. Be thankful for all your senses. You may not be able to SEE the boobehs, but you can still TASTE them, SMELL them, TOUCH them, and HEAR them ( gentle slapping noises on your cheeks )

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:19 PM (HgMAr)

194 191

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"

that's our president
Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (zOTsN)


I'd say standing, in that instance, might be rather hazardous to one's health.

IYKWIM

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:20 PM (p4UlV)

195 "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"



Lotsa room at Gitmo.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:20 PM (oKE6c)

196 I'm telling you, guillotine futures are going to blow up, get in while you can!

Posted by: Ghost of Robespierre at June 17, 2016 06:21 PM (+tRIN)

197 that's our president
Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:18 PM (zOTsN)

---

That motherfucker has not been, nor will ever be, my president.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 06:21 PM (rlfds)

198 185 If they were all forced to fight to death and the winner fed to weasels the results would be an improvement.
Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2016 06:17 PM (8J/Te)



I'm thinking PPV. Pay off the national debt in no time.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:21 PM (oKE6c)

199
My family,for it's entire existence, has lived by and held to those values so disregarded today.

Y'all know the ones I mean.

I and MY family are products of those values.

I'm trying, in my small way to restore us to those values--by political means. Lately it isn't all that certain that is possible.

But we have to keep trying.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 17, 2016 06:21 PM (X35Yt)

200 One of the Democratic debates (2nd I think) Bernie started it and Hillary had to out do him.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:22 PM (d9qXV)

201 190 I did want to go ask if they were going to vote for Trump as Hillary said day 1 she was going to make every illegal a citizen.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (d9qXV)
Did she really say that? I missed it.

Pretty much... She said on day one she is gonna open the "office" of immigrant services or some such name to move the process along..

Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 06:22 PM (O2RFr)

202 196 I'm telling you, guillotine futures are going to blow up, get in while you can!
Posted by: Ghost of Robespierre at June 17, 2016 06:21 PM (+tRIN)



Forget the Tesla. Battery-powered tumbrils FTW!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:22 PM (oKE6c)

203 SMFH,
Tell us how you REALLY feel!

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (xVgrA)

204
Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.

You have got to be kidding me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (p4UlV)

205
I like the berets that the IDF wears. We should have an official moron beret. It would be easier to identify each other.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 06:15 PM (iQIUe)









Screw that. Berets are French, and therefore, lame.

Pork pie hats, Fozzie Bear-style.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (LuZz8)

206 Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.


Good work FBI...

Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (O2RFr)

207 Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.
-----
Have they checked the West Bank or Gaza?

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (xVgrA)

208 205 Pork pie hats, Fozzie Bear-style.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (LuZz

"Goodbye Pork Pie Hat"

Great Jeff Beck tune from "Wired" 1976.

40 years ago?! Holy fook.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (p4UlV)

209 William Tecumseh Sherman - Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.

Witness the ROE's forced on us by the left since Viet Nam.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (9iR5/)

210 156 Paul Ryan builds a wall around his house. Security Guards 24/7
Now that he and his own are safe, he can safely sell-out the American people.
Posted by: Jack at June 17, 2016 06:08 PM (YX9fV)



May not be enough, comrade.

Posted by: Nick Ceausceau at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (oKE6c)

211 I think we're heading toward two different options:

Another American Revolution, or another French one.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 17, 2016 06:25 PM (Pby3z)

212 Have they checked the West Bank or Gaza?
Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (xVgrA)

White House basement?

Posted by: random lurker at June 17, 2016 06:25 PM (+tRIN)

213
I still say this is a video of ace getting a therapeutic sponge bath. How do I know? The fur, the dialated eyes...

https://goo.gl/iNAxQT

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 06:25 PM (iQIUe)

214 Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (O2RFr)

Probably aided by one of the Muslims in the Obama administration.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 06:25 PM (rmw+9)

215 209 William Tecumseh Sherman - Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.
Witness the ROE's forced on us by the left since Viet Nam.
Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (9iR5/)



Ah, what did he know about war? He never took a course in Peace Studies in his life.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (oKE6c)

216 Probably aided by one of the Muslims in the Obama administration.

Maybe obama will have her at a rose garden ceremony...

Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (O2RFr)

217 Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.


Good work FBI...

Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (O2RFr)
......................

Good grief. Why wasn't the bitch in custody under hot lamps 4 days ago?

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (HgMAr)

218
Bittersweet:

Fire Chief whose body was never found at Ground Zero has vials of blood he donated buried in a ceremony at Calverton National Cemetery on Long Island.

RIP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (p4UlV)

219 I'm telling you, guillotine futures are going to blow up, get in while you can!
Posted by: Ghost of Robespierre
------

Bah. One guillotine can handle eight or ten unpersons a minute once the ball gets rolling and they develop a rhythm.

The real bump is going to be in tumbrels. It's the Uber of the future, I tell ya. Buy now, before the rush.

Posted by: Bob's Tumbrel Emporium at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (9mTYi)

220 I had heard that the wife "went into seclusion."

If she is gone, well, fucking A. Seems to me that she might have been an important person of interest....

Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (2Ocf1)

221 If they say, "No, don't let him aboard," I then start probing and amending the situation to maximize the dilemma. if the answerer is a liberal, say, "OK, but here's some extra information: The woman and children are all members of the Nazi Party, and the drowning shipwright is black. NOW what do you do?" Etc. etc. etc. Keep amending it til their psyche breaks.
Posted by: zombie



Or just beat two to death with a paddle.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 17, 2016 06:26 PM (T0djb)

222 Another American Revolution, or another French one.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles


Alas, more likely the latter, as the former was an anomaly in world history. Or a miracle. I'm gonna go with miracle.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (RwwCT)

223 Could be shacking up with Bergdoll

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (xVgrA)

224 207 Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.
-----
Have they checked the West Bank or Gaza?
Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (xVgrA)




She's preparing to throw her burka into the ring for the CA US Senate seat.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (oKE6c)

225 211 Another American Revolution, or another French one.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 17, 2016 06:25 PM (Pby3z)

Bits of both, I suspect. Let's all vow to keep our heads.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (p4UlV)

226 . Keep amending it til their psyche breaks.Posted by: zombie

That actually sounds like a classic psych game that some people play in real life when they want to bust nuts and prove their superiority. Some details, upon which you comment. But then more details, that prove you wrong. You rebutt based on new information. But wait, there's even more information, previously unmentioned that proves you wrong again.

Congratulations for co-opting the game.

I have a new daughter-in-law that decided to play the game on me. She got me once. Now I turn a deaf ear to her when she asks me for advice. Fool me once...

She knew my wife and I are thoroughly versed in psychology and she still wanted to test us. Bad decision.

But good for you for giving the left a taste of their own deceit.

Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (ZnIt3)

227 Ace needs to lay down and put some cold boobehs on his eyes. Maybe a nice young Meggie Mac type could place her bazooms in the freezer door for a couple minutes, then apply.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (U1Wra)

228 Good work FBI...

Posted by: donna
.........................

They found their car keys?

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:27 PM (HgMAr)

229 ace FFS take it easy, go slow on your recovery, it's your eyes we're talking about. You've built an awesome place here, and part of that is your platoon of co-bloggers, who have no peer. Let the troops carry the ammo cans up the hill, the leader can recover from his wounds for a while.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2016 06:29 PM (QDnY+)

230 It's difficult for me to blame FBI agents as well as regular cops and GIs.

It's their commanders and the Momzer-in-Chief who has their careers by the balls.

Coup Coup for coup d'etat puffs!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:29 PM (p4UlV)

231 Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.


Good work FBI...




We knew that Wed or Thurs.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 17, 2016 06:29 PM (T0djb)

232 Ah. Way better than cucumbers. - Ace

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 06:30 PM (HgMAr)

233 What were they going to arrest the wife for? Walking while Muslim?

















How was she not taken into custody asap?

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:30 PM (d9qXV)

234
Skipped or in seclusion - there is no reason why she isnt in custody with an indictment pending.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 06:30 PM (iQIUe)

235 I took an oath to support and defend OUR Constitution, several time in fact, over a 20 year career. These asshats take a similar oath when they enter office. If they cannot honor that oath, it's probably time to do something aout it

Posted by: Bill R. at June 17, 2016 06:30 PM (jKUeC)

236 But good for you for giving the left a taste of their own deceit.
Posted by: Lice Wags


That's my super-power.

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:31 PM (jBuUi)

237
Levin:

1980s - Reagan, Thatcher, Kohl, John Paul II

Today - Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Francis

I want to cry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:31 PM (p4UlV)

238 Just saw at Puffington Puffs that the wife of the Orlando scum has disappeared.

FIL, who should be in jail, said she was no longer there... Could mean the FBI has her but it didn't sound like it cause the cops came shortly there after to search the house...

Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 06:31 PM (O2RFr)

239 How was she not taken into custody asap?
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:30 PM (d9qXV)

****

Being an accomplice to 50 murders, just for starters.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 06:32 PM (jw4+G)

240 I think the fireworks will start after the election.

There will be fireworks. It's inevitable.

There are ideas so anti-human and toxic to freedom that they have to be blown out of people's heads.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 17, 2016 06:33 PM (4ErVI)

241 so does this mean that i should be able to go anywhere in the world without passports and pay taxes to the country i prefer over theirs?

Does this mean i can only obey laws i agree with much as ice, and our betters do?

i mean why have laws that are americacentric?
why not one set of law and tax rates for all?

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:34 PM (vP09u)

242
208 205 Pork pie hats, Fozzie Bear-style.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2016 06:23 PM (LuZz

"Goodbye Pork Pie Hat"

Great Jeff Beck tune from "Wired" 1976.

40 years ago?! Holy fook.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:24 PM (p4UlV)







Originally a Charlie Mingus tune from his album Ah Um. One of my favorite jazz albums, mostly because it's not snooty or angry, but filled with joy. You can feel that they had great big grins on their faces while recording. Great album.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (LuZz8)

243 Okay, so what's the solution?

In twenty years there won't be many Americans working in factories. For the same reason there won't be many working in fast food restaurants. Or driving big rigs/buses/taxis. They'll be replaced by robots.

A wall isn't going to change that. Tariffs aren't going to change that. Cutting off welfare to immigrants isn't going to change that.

Then there's the matter of ~$100 trillion in unfunded SS/Medicare liabilities. Those that crave an isolationist US foreign policy are going to be delighted because the country won't be able to afford military deployments.

If a wall on the border popped up and every illegal in the country deported magically tomorrow it wouldn't solve either of those problems.

So what's the easy answer?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (ktzHq)

244 >>> Great Jeff Beck tune from "Wired" 1976.

Charles Mingus 1959

Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (2hcmo)

245 239
Being an accomplice to 50 murders, just for starters.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 06:32 PM (jw4+G)

At the very least, his cuntcubine was a material witness or person of interest.

This is just murder.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (p4UlV)

246 If you ever wondered how the National Socialist Workers Party came to power, you're living it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (rwI+c)

247 "Another American Revolution, or another French one."

Or an October one.

Instead of the gulags, we'll have Happy Fun Camp, but otherwise damn near.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (noWW6)

248 i mean why have laws that are americacentric?
why not one set of law and tax rates for all?
Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:34 PM (vP09u)

*****

Now you're with the One World Government mindset.....

/s

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 06:36 PM (jw4+G)

249 244 >>> Great Jeff Beck tune from "Wired" 1976.

Charles Mingus 1959
Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (2hcmo)

Really? It's a Mingus cover? I did not know that. Then again, in 1976 I had no idea who Charlie Mingus was.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:36 PM (p4UlV)

250 Don't exactly "disagree" with anything in this post, just feel so much of it is obvious or under-stated or tautological in some way - which is not a criticism of ace, but does lead to something else.


Key things have been so down-defined, to coin an awkward term.


How/why is it "conservative" or "nationalist" to -


* recognize the importance of the rule of law
* respect constitutional principles that made the US what it once was
* apply common sense to fiscal matters, live within your means


And one could go on, and on. These things were, literally, common sense just a short time ago. They also, when properly and carefully measured, show up as *still* basic common sense to a majority of the populace - *including* self-ID's "liberals".


So I do disagree about the "liberals" being honest about this. For the umpteenth time, let's remember what this absurd president ran on in 2008. You could have barely rephrased 90% of his campaign themes (such as they existed, beyond a jaw-droppingly vacuous "hope and change" parody of a campaign, and a suburban NPR dumbshit racial redemption exercise) and they'd have sounded normal coming from a GOP Senator running for re-election in a red or purple state.


Balanced budgets, transparency, good guvamint bromide b.s. (hilariously, budget balance was returning up until Oct. 2008, and the Bush admin. was fairly transparent by any historical standard).


It's not "nationalist" in any meaningful sense to support the most basic foundation of a civilized, advanced country - rule of law. So once again, the language, and the political wordscape, is being grotesquely distorted.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2016 06:37 PM (QDnY+)

251 Then there's the matter of ~$100 trillion in unfunded SS/Medicare liabilities. Those that crave an isolationist US foreign policy are going to be delighted because the country won't be able to afford military deployments.



$230+ trillion.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 17, 2016 06:37 PM (T0djb)

252 247
Instead of the gulags, we'll have Happy Fun Camp, but otherwise damn near.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (noWW6)

Dirt au gratin for lunch. Minus the au gratin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:37 PM (p4UlV)

253 Do the Dems and Gop believe in borders at all or are borders optional ? are we sovereign nation at all or When they decide or is this also optional at their personal whim?

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:37 PM (vP09u)

254 242
Originally a Charlie Mingus tune from his album Ah Um. One of my favorite jazz albums, mostly because it's not snooty or angry, but filled with joy. You can feel that they had great big grins on their faces while recording. Great album.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (LuZz


Will have to check this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:38 PM (p4UlV)

255 When soldiers are thugs, eh? Most branches have lowered recruiting standards the past few years so we actually DO have thugs. Tattooed gangster thugs, too. Simple fact is we have lost or forced out senior NCO's and Officers. Affirmative action promotees have now filled those top positions. This action, along with recruiting thugs just may soon produce a military which will obey the orders to fire on citizens. I suppose the best we can expect is to have a majority (hopefully) which will refuse that order. Because that order will be given. And probably sooner than later.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (zLDYs)

256 "Levin:
1980s - Reagan, Thatcher, Kohl, John Paul II
Today - Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Francis"

This is one of those, "wait, who really won the Cold War again" moments.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (noWW6)

257 Ace Insta-Poll:

What Year From History Are We Currently Re-Living?

a. 1775
b. 1789
c. 1848
d. 1917
e. 1933
f. 1948
g. 1949
h. 1975

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)

258 This Syria thing is going to move Orlando to section 3, page 7.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (242F/)

259 House OKs military plan to recruit illegal aliens...

Army plans to layoff 40,000 soldiers...

.Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

This is why among other reasons, when the time comes, the military will not be our friend.

Posted by: Blano at June 17, 2016 06:40 PM (upmgM)

260 257 Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)


It could be E, 1933. Or it could be 2110, with Colonel Green and the Eugenics Wars.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:40 PM (p4UlV)

261 Now they want to involve us in Syria.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 06:40 PM (IqV8l)

262 255 When soldiers are thugs, eh? Most branches have lowered recruiting standards the past few years so we actually DO have thugs. Tattooed gangster thugs, too. Simple fact is we have lost or forced out senior NCO's and Officers. Affirmative action promotees have now filled those top positions. This action, along with recruiting thugs just may soon produce a military which will obey the orders to fire on citizens. I suppose the best we can expect is to have a majority (hopefully) which will refuse that order. Because that order will be given. And probably sooner than later.
Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (zLDYs)

---

Standards have dropped.

Fortunately for us, those NCOs and officers are combat-trained and tested. And I'm not talking about the Petraeus winning hearts and minds bullshit. Or receiving an award for Diversity training.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 06:41 PM (rlfds)

263 Ace Insta-Poll: What Year From History Are We Currently Re-Living?

410 A.D.

Posted by: Alaric the Visigoth at June 17, 2016 06:41 PM (X4FeV)

264 I hate to sound mean but I would save the American.

And shout to the foreigner: "Hey, as long as you're there, want to scrub the hull for me? Thanks."

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (F1ndw)

265 the unfunded labilities are caused by our better fiscal malfeasance? why should the AMERICAN taxpayer pick up the tab for their malfeasance?
let other countries citizens do so for them. i mean why our fidelity to american govt, but they have none to the joe citizen?

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (vP09u)

266 Dirt au gratin for lunch. Minus the au gratin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:37 PM (p4UlV)



And for dessert, a (North) Korean specialty: tree bark a la mode. Hold the ice cream.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (oKE6c)

267 >>> Then again, in 1976 I had no idea who Charlie Mingus was.

Nor did I. Getting older ain't all bad ;--)

Posted by: fluffy at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (2hcmo)

268 "What Year From History Are We Currently Re-Living?"

Embrace the healing power of All Of The Above.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (noWW6)

269 I've seen predictions that robots and automation will replace 70% of workers within 30 years. Not just factories and restaurants. Doctors, surgeons, nurses, pharmacists, dentists. Construction, farming, oil and gas.

We'll be a nation of lawyers, politicians, salesmen, and idlers. Not even prostitutes will be spared.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (ktzHq)

270 Mingus [on piano], "I Can't Get Started"

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 17, 2016 06:43 PM (242F/)

271 Communist have always screamed workers of the world unite

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:43 PM (d9qXV)

272 A Mingus among us.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 06:43 PM (IqV8l)

273 265 the unfunded labilities are caused by our better fiscal malfeasance? why should the AMERICAN taxpayer pick up the tab for their malfeasance?
let other countries citizens do so for them. i mean why our fidelity to american govt, but they have none to the joe citizen?
Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (vP09u)



Here's the real blood boiler: we borrow the money we give to other countries to bail them out.

Why can't they borrow the money themselves? Because they're such shitty credit risks that no one will lend to them. How long before we're in the same category?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:43 PM (oKE6c)

274 Does anyone know which McDonalds have the fellatio fish?? Is there a limit per customer???

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (U1Wra)
.....................

Be sure to ask for extra secret sauce.

This is gonna have me giggling for weeks.

Posted by: Blano at June 17, 2016 06:44 PM (upmgM)

275 manwithnoparty, im infuriated by their demand for allegiance to the US govt (them), but they feel nothing to joe citizen

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:44 PM (vP09u)

276 A large number of our military are combat tested. I trust them. Just not their leadership

Posted by: ThunderB at June 17, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)

277 Does anyone know which McDonalds have the fellatio fish?? Is there a limit per customer???

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (U1Wra)


How did I not connect those dots after 40 odd years?!

I'm ashamed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:45 PM (p4UlV)

278
I've seen predictions that robots and automation will replace 70% of workers within 30 years.


The Worker-less Workplace of tomorrow will be like today's Paperless Office.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2016 06:45 PM (F1ndw)

279 Here's the real blood boiler: we borrow create the money we give to other countries to bail them out.

Why can't they borrow the money themselves? Because they're such shitty credit risks that no one will lend to them. How long before we're in the same category?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:43 PM (oKE6c)

*****

FIFY

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 06:45 PM (jw4+G)

280 My wife drug out her classroom record player yesterday. I hooked it into our stereo which has earthshaking capabilities. She played her boring music. At moderate volume.

I'm tempted to drag out an old Jeff Beck album and play 'Shapes of things' at the correct volume. Broken glass, shattered vases, tumbling books... the works.


Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 06:45 PM (ZnIt3)

281 Any way we can get WashExit vote so we can dissolve the Union before it's too late?


Damn......the GOPe have lost their damn minds.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2016 06:45 PM (ej1L0)

282 Ace Insta-Poll: What Year From History Are We Currently Re-Living?


Spain, 1935.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:46 PM (oKE6c)

283 261
Now they want to involve us in Syria.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 06:40 PM (IqV8l)
-----------That ship sailed a long time ago along with a no fly zone. Now that Russia has a presence there, it's no longer feasible without firing on Russian aircraft. Maybe they could have acted when they crossed Obowmao's bright red line, but no longer. They're a day late and a couple of dollars short.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 17, 2016 06:46 PM (9iR5/)

284 IIRC, one of Joni Mitchell's more seminal albums was her 1979 tribute, "Mingus."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:46 PM (p4UlV)

285 jay, im struggling to not use a string of verbal diarrhea for their pure chutzpah in think WE the citizen are obligated to them and their livelihoods, yet jack and chit for avergae joe.

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (vP09u)

286 "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"
----------------------------------------
Note that the assumption he makes is that the "ugly direction" can only mean infidels attacking Muslims in some way.

But what if it's the reverse? What if Muslims are attacking infidels by, oh say, gunning them down in a nightclub, or perhaps butchering infidel coworkers who just threw them a baby shower, or, I dunno, maybe blowing up big buildings full of thousands of people? Wouldn't that be "ugly?"
And if so, would he still side with the Muslims?

We know what the answer is.
Which brings us back to the fact that the alien and the anti-American always seem to take precedence over the native and pro-American.
And at least half the country approves of it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (T/5A0)

287 Spock! Help me, Spock!

Posted by: Kahless as Surak at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (IqV8l)

288 274 Does anyone know which McDonalds have the fellatio fish?? Is there a limit per customer???

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 17, 2016 05:57 PM (U1Wra)



They advertised it as trouser trout, but substituted the more common whitefish.

Raysiss!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (v5iqM)

289 manwithnoparty, im infuriated by their demand for allegiance to the US govt (them), but they feel nothing to joe citizen
Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:44 PM (vP09u)

****

As am I. If nothing else this election cycle has dropped a lot of masks.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (jw4+G)

290 I've seen predictions that robots and automation will replace 70% of workers within 30 years.

You should get together with Paul Ehrlich.

Posted by: retards of the world unite! at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (9RnWu)

291 We'll be a nation of lawyers, politicians, salesmen, and idlers. Not even prostitutes will be spared.


Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 06:42 PM (ktzHq)


Wait a minute: there's a lot of overlap between those groups. Please clarify exactly which ones will be spared, and which won't.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:48 PM (oKE6c)

292 Baron von Ottomatic, you could go on for 1,308 pages with the strawman portion of your comment.


Of course restoring minimum rule of law and sense and fairness in immigration (the real-world translation of what most people sensibly want) won't build us a space station, and also won't do much about river fever in the Congo, and I'm fairly confident it won't solve the young bride shortage in China.


But if you care to consider, you know, actual real serious problems directly caused by mass illegal migration, then of course even minimal improvements will yield huge, nearly instant benefits.


There are, in fact, "easy" answers (historically, comparatively speaking) to many huge self-inflicted problems we face. And some not so easy.


But with so many people, it's never more than the unserious, logically disconnected, factually challenged strawman festival. Border barriers are easy, highly effective, cheap, and yield instant definitive benefits in terms of illegal entry, contraband control, and security. Just as one example.


But, gotta head off and do the paperwork for two AR lowers. Now, mind you, my buying these two stripped lowers won't do much to lessen Muslim/Hindu tensions in India, will have no appreciable effect on the cost-effectiveness of current-technology photovoltaic panels, and as far as I know won't stop the beetle afflicting conifers in SoCal forests above 2,000 feet.


But I'm gonna get them anyway.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2016 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

293 More "words of wisdom" about Syria from the State Dept

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=66382

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 06:48 PM (rlfds)

294 if only we could divorce their crummy asses.

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:48 PM (vP09u)

295 290 I've seen predictions that robots and automation will replace 70% of workers within 30 years.
You should get together with Paul Ehrlich.
Posted by: retards of the world unite! at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (9RnWu)



I'm building a robot that will beat liberal shitheads like Paul Ehrlich into puree.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:49 PM (oKE6c)

296 "Here's the real blood boiler: we borrow the money we give to other countries to bail them out."

Foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget. SS/Medicare is ~45%. Soon to be 75%.

I think the foreign aid fairy shares an apartment with the growth fairy and waste/fraud/abuse fairy.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 06:50 PM (ktzHq)

297 We will need robots to work underwater where global warming has raised the seas.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 06:50 PM (IqV8l)

298 297 Nah,we'll evolve to have gills.

Posted by: steevy at June 17, 2016 06:51 PM (B48dK)

299 Ace was a better typist when he was blind.

Posted by: The media Suxs at June 17, 2016 06:51 PM (5L5VR)

300 Aquaman will lead us to freedom.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 06:52 PM (rwI+c)

301 And Paul Ryan has declared himself a globalist.

Looking at the map, I see the problem with Ryan getting primaried. His district is chock full of rich refugees from Chicago and Evanston.

That whole corner of Illinois and Wisconsin (I include Illinois because these folks intermingle across the border) is chock a block with liberals and Globalists.

Large estates and globalist corporate hqs up there too.

Now I think that the reason they wanted Ryan as Speaker is that they figure he can fool a few more numbskulls into thinking he's a moderate Republican and believe what he's saying isn't the death of the country.

And that's what we're looking at folks. If we don't stop this and stop it now, in the next four years you won't recognize the country. I know it's really twisted up now but you wait if the globalists have there way, we'll have the 3rd world over here and you'll be lucky to have a job.

Unless of course you've been taken into protective custody for your blasphemies and put into a re education camp.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 06:52 PM (ECJ+C)

302
"A large number of our military are combat tested."

There's no living member of the U.S. military who has been combat-tested in a war with a genuine peer adversary.

And at the rate U.S. military capabilities are declining, we're going to be in a situation pretty soon where we will have multiple peer adversaries.

Having zero peer adversaries was nice while it lasted. It's not going to last.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 17, 2016 06:53 PM (noWW6)

303 I see your eyes feel back up to par.

Posted by: Dick at June 17, 2016 06:53 PM (+eR2D)

304 287 Spock! Help me, Spock!
Posted by: Kahless as Surak at June 17, 2016 06:47 PM (IqV8l)


I like that giant steaming turd master. With the claws.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:53 PM (p4UlV)

305
Help me Mega Millions. You're my only hope.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:53 PM (p4UlV)

306 300 Aquaman will lead us to freedom.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 06:52 PM (rwI+c)


Two words.

David. Sirota.

BAM!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:54 PM (p4UlV)

307 296 "Here's the real blood boiler: we borrow the money we give to other countries to bail them out."
Foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget. SS/Medicare is ~45%. Soon to be 75%.
I think the foreign aid fairy shares an apartment with the growth fairy and waste/fraud/abuse fairy.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 06:50 PM (ktzHq)



You missed the point. The point wasn't the proportion of the budget devoted to foreign aid, but rather that we are borrowing to provide charity to others. I don't care if it's $1; if you're in debt, take care of your own debt first, before you start worrying about other people's debt.

Foreign aid is a small proportion of the budget, but we do exactly the same thing - borrow money to provide goodies - in all of the entitlement spending (EBT, SNAP, Medicare, Social Security, the lot) instead of addressing our negative cash flow.

Funny how the only "sustainability" liberals never worry about is financial sustainability. They worry about the delta smelt, but not the fiscal melt(down).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:55 PM (oKE6c)

308

So, the alligator says to the gorilla, "Well, help me find my car keys and I'll DRIVE us outta here!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2016 06:56 PM (kdS6q)

309 Foreign aid is a small proportion of the budget, but we do exactly the same thing - borrow money to provide goodies - in all of the entitlement spending (EBT, SNAP, Medicare, Social Security, the lot) instead of addressing our negative cash flow.


Clearly they intend to make it up in volume.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 06:56 PM (rwI+c)

310
94 year old ex-Auschwitz guard sentenced to 5 years in prison as accessory to murder of 10's of thousands of Jews and other prisoners.

Symbolic at best, I suppose. Still, it does send a message but sadly on mostly indifferent if not hostile ears.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:57 PM (p4UlV)

311 But I'm gonna get them anyway.
Posted by: rhomboid
----------

Itch, meet scratch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2016 06:57 PM (ZxmMG)

312 308

So, the alligator says to the gorilla, "Well, help me find my car keys and I'll DRIVE us outta here!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2016 06:56 PM (kdS6q)


Why do I keep thinking a remake of Wally Gator and Magilla Gorilla.

G-d help me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:58 PM (p4UlV)

313 Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 06:55 PM (oKE6c
I don't think they comprehend math. I remember during the stimulus, a liberal I know same

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 06:58 PM (egOGm)

314 Jay, i can remember liberals being very 'concerned' re paying for wars, because they wanted the cash for more useful stuff, here at home.
you know free health care!

the health care that is free to the same folks it was free before. but hey the govt gets a lot more fine money to spend for those that lost the job /and nice insurance policy lottery.

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:58 PM (vP09u)

315 Sounds like the movie sucks...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 17, 2016 06:59 PM (vBeA5)

316 Help me Mega Millions. You're my only hope.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton
-----------

*casually, indifferently, idly, files nails*

Posted by: Lady Luck at June 17, 2016 07:00 PM (ZxmMG)

317
Oh Canada, you are such a bunch of hosers:

http://tinyurl.com/z3vxtms

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 07:00 PM (ODxAs)

318 oh anyway, i should just shut up, nothing i say means cht.

so i'll go hang out with the flowers outside.

Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 07:00 PM (vP09u)

319 And as far as bleeding heart give a little cause we're so privileged?

BS. It's that sort of thinking that has been morphed into what we have now.

Give someone an inch and they'll think you're weak and they'll take the whole mile.

That's human nature. And that's what happens when you "help" the down trodden and the supposed less well off.

They will then proceed to pester you to death because they know they've found a sucker.

It's like political correctness. It starts out as being a courtesy to not say things that might upset someone (and it's a form of soft racism) but it then becomes the rule and then the law and then their dragging people to court because their feelings were hurt.

Which is why the founders made speech untouchable unless it actively encouraged harm.

But the bleeding hearts felt all cozy and warm about how good a person they were to not call someone a bad name that day.

And now look where we are.

If you play the game by the liberals rules, you're going to lose. And thus our children now are indoctrinated and they're about to vote us off the planet.

Thanks all you moderate liberal squishes no matter what your political affiliation, gender or whatever.

You should look in a mirror when you wonder how things got so screwed up. It's pride and thinking that you can surrender only a little bit. Surrender always becomes total eventually.

And then you have to either stand up and kick ass or let yourself be buried by those who will stand up and take your stuff and your country and your job.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 07:00 PM (ECJ+C)

320 Sounds like the movie sucks...


You'll laugh, you'll cry, it will become a part of you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:01 PM (rwI+c)

321 My cat stepped on the keyboard. My liberal friend thought instead of having a 787 billion stimulus each person in America should get 1 million. I had to show her on a calculator how her math worked.
But the country is totally solvent. The rich will pay.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:01 PM (egOGm)

322
If a wall on the border popped up and every illegal in the country deported magically tomorrow it wouldn't solve either of those problems.

So what's the easy answer?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 06:35 PM (ktzHq)

Jesus Fucking anti-Christ.....there are no easy answers!!!!!

But there are several answers that will help, and that's one of them.

Posted by: Blano at June 17, 2016 07:02 PM (upmgM)

323 How was she not taken into custody asap?
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 06:30 PM (d9qXV)
.................

Becuz musloid civil rights, diversity, wars on wymyn and shit. Besides, they couldn't find their car keys.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 07:02 PM (HgMAr)

324 314 Jay, i can remember liberals being very 'concerned' re paying for wars, because they wanted the cash for more useful stuff, here at home.
you know free health care!



Yep. Defense is one of the few discretionary parts of the budget nowadays.


I remember liberals saying that defense spending was a non-productive use of government resources (i.e., is consumption, rather than investment). Which it is, of course, but they never mention entitlement spending, which is also non-productive. Recipients of EBT etc. basically are making one contribution to society: turning food into shit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (oKE6c)

325 Most of my life the left has made the argument that 'As a rich nation, we can afford to go X'. We're not rich anymore.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (rwI+c)

326 And of course both the liberal and the phony conservative would be the first ones screaming at the top of their lungs to the U.S. Coast Guard that they were an Americans who needed to be saved first.

Here's a funny story. The anonymous gay activist who suddenly is for Trump after Islam shot up his playground.

This guy said he tormented people on the right, doxxed them, harassed, etc. He can't come forward because he knows what his shit buddies will do to him.

He didn't give a shit about anyone but his own narcissistic butt till Orlando. 9-11? Didn't care. San Bernadino? Didn't care. Bakers ruined over gay cakes? Didn't care. Fort Hood? Didn't care. On and on.

Just a miserable jerk. Now suddenly it's his ass on the line and now he cares.


Posted by: The media Suxs at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (5L5VR)

327 err do X

FMK

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (rwI+c)

328 314 Posted by: willow at June 17, 2016 06:58 PM (vP09u)

Before Obamacare, I paid about $3,000 a year in insurance. And that's as a New Yorker on the high end.

Let us assume that if you subtract illegal aliens and other non qualifiers, you wind up with 10 million people who do not have insurance and want it. If you just cut them a check for $3,000 a year that's $30 billion.

Just $30 billion a year and we could have saved our healthcare, insurance industry and the status quo. Even if I'm off and it's 30 million people uninsured, it's $90 billion a year. Not hundreds of billions if not trillions and we get to keep our relative freedom.

But, no.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (p4UlV)

329 I don't like this movie either.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (sdi6R)

330 All the best fiction (Forstchen, Rawles, etc) feature old combat vets playing a big part in battles fought to regain our freedom. I am hoping fiction becomes fact when our time comes.

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2016 07:04 PM (zLDYs)

331 So, the alligator says to the gorilla, "Well, help me find my car keys and I'll DRIVE us outta here!"


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2016 06:56 PM (kdS6q)
..................

The alligator works for the FBI?

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 07:04 PM (HgMAr)

332 I don't like this movie either.


Stay. There's an "Easter Egg" after the trailer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:04 PM (rwI+c)

333 Help me Mega Millions. You're my only hope. Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Yes.

According to the highly reputable web site www.8-ball-magic.com

Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 07:05 PM (ZnIt3)

334 I don't know, 'rons. Today I'm thinking we're all royally screwed anyway.

And I doubt I'll live through it when it hits.

I'm not sure I want to.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 17, 2016 07:05 PM (rJUlF)

335 Wth- Which goes back to my first statement What were they going to arrest her for? Walking while Muslim?

That's what a leftist would ask.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 07:05 PM (d9qXV)

336 And I doubt I'll live through it when it hits.


Take two with you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:05 PM (rwI+c)

337 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (p4UlV)
My idea is HSA for medicaid with a catastrophic policy and give them the deductible amount in a HSA every year. If any thing is left over at the end of the year, they can transfer it to a retirement account.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:06 PM (egOGm)

338 It has a sad ending.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (HgMAr)

339 16 I hate to sound mean but I would save the American.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 05:33 PM (egOGm)

I would agree wholeheartedly except what if the choice was:

Michael Moore or Mark Steyn?

Dan Savage or Milo?

Nancy Pelosi or (if she was still alive) Oriana Fallaci?

A pair of native born SJWs or our Canuck 'rons?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (P8951)

340

So the alligator says to the gorilla, "I don't have to outrun the bear."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (kdS6q)

341 We have an oligarchy right now. None of the feeders at the oligarchy trough care to give up their money and power.

Of course they are going to hate the natural borns who want their stolen country returned to them after the theft.

Posted by: The media Suxs at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (5L5VR)

342 JJ
my bigger point is third party payers are bad for consumers. If we all had HSA with a catastrophic policy, health care would improve just like lasik surgery and plastic surgery.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (egOGm)

343 Anyone not an American nationalist is anti-American. It's one thing to believe in liberal immigration policies; it's another entirely to advocate that immigrants should not assimilate.

Tribalism is what people left behind, traditionally. Immigrants came here to become Americans, and that effort takes sweat, devotion to American exceptionalism and encouragement from the larger community.

Immigrants want to leave tribal slaughter behind. Immigrants want to subsume their history into a better history. Nationalism is critical to keeping the peace here.

Take heed of this warning: Abandon the idea of America at your peril, intellectual elites, because your tribe is very small and completely insignificant absent the peace and prosperity America offers you.

Posted by: MTF at June 17, 2016 07:08 PM (/m8T6)

344 Steyn. Milo. The Canuck 'rons.

No hard choices there. My brothers and sisters in spirit, if not national origin.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 17, 2016 07:08 PM (rJUlF)

345 We don't want to fight, but by Jingo if we do, we've got men, and coin and ships, and guns, to see it through, and through & through.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 07:08 PM (PLnZs)

346 335 Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 07:05 PM (d9qXV)

They initiated contact with her knowing she was on film buying his ammo, and on film driving him to the Slaughterhouse Disco....

if she were a white Xian tea partier the 1st question would have been "have you eaten ma'am 'cause you're going to jail?"

The deference to PC sensibility that allowed Omar to shoot 103 people was on display with the wife.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 07:09 PM (g8Hfr)

347

So the alligator says to the gorilla, "well -- that isn't my dog!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2016 07:09 PM (kdS6q)

348 Donna,
You're jacking with me now. I think I know who I would choose in those situations and it's not the Americans.
Just like I would save my child before a complete stranger.
But 2 complete strangers, I'll save the American.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:10 PM (egOGm)

349 Thank you, Donna. Thank you. I... I ... can't go on... tearing up. Thank you.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 07:10 PM (PLnZs)

350 You know, a riot is an ugly thing, but ....

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 17, 2016 07:10 PM (cN3mz)

351 325 Most of my life the left has made the argument that 'As a rich nation, we can afford to go X'. We're not rich anymore.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (rwI+c)



And how did we become rich in the first place? By not doing the stupid shit the left is advocating now.

I look at it at the family level. We all know households that do just fine financially, and others, at the exact same income level, who are broke, hurting, and need help. Why? Because they do stupid shit, routinely. They might be flat-busted broke, but they go to Starbucks every day, they shop at Whole Foods, they go out to dinner all the time, etc., and never deny themselves anything they want. They never say, "That would be nice, but we can't afford that."

And they call their problems "bad luck." See, e.g., the article on the NYT reporter on finance and economics.

http://tinyurl.com/h4cs26u

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:11 PM (oKE6c)

352 a. 1775
b. 1789
c. 1848
d. 1917
e. 1933
f. 1948
g. 1949
h. 1975

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)


Can't be 1975 because I haven't shit or pissed my pants. Pretty sure that was a thing for me in 1975.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 17, 2016 07:12 PM (4ErVI)

353 344 Steyn. Milo. The Canuck 'rons.
No hard choices there. My brothers and sisters in spirit, if not national origin.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 17, 2016 07:08 PM (rJUlF)



Judgmental! /liberal

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:12 PM (oKE6c)

354 Charity without requirements hurts both the giver and the receiver.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:12 PM (rwI+c)

355 342 JJ
my bigger point is third party payers are bad for consumers. If we all had HSA with a catastrophic policy, health care would improve just like lasik surgery and plastic surgery.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (egOGm)

Totally agree.

Without the Fed in between your doctor and you (Medicare, etc,) and with real free market competition, medical costs would be a fraction of what they are. As they were before 1965.

But, no.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (p4UlV)

356 I'm finding out the aftermath of a funeral includes large quantities of comfort food. The food tonight involves perogies, Mennonite farmers sausage (grilled) and fried pastries.
Food from my childhood. I feel like a lead pork chop.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (dC1U5)

357 Willow has forgotten that some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: random lurker at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (+tRIN)

358
a. 1775
b. 1789
c. 1848
d. 1917
e. 1933
f. 1948
g. 1949
h. 1975
Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)

I hope it's a. (although bear in mind the Revolutionary War was not a party or a cakewalk).

I fear it's b.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (P8951)

359 [Note to self: Get large 'andycanuck' forehead tattoo before taking any vacation cruise. See if DayGlo ink available.]

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (PLnZs)

360 301---I see the problem with Ryan getting primaried.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016
----------------------
Yep. You can't Cantor a guy who's in such a 'moderate' district. Last I looked his conservative challenger was down 85-15%.

But note that the district is not rock-solid GOP. It's more like 55 to 45%. So, if the 15% of primary voters who don't like his face were to vote Dem, he'd be a goner.

IOW, with effort and the desire, it's possible to bring him down.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 17, 2016 07:14 PM (T/5A0)

361 Isn't the issue that they are all leftwing liberals now? The leadership of the Democracts, the leadership of the Republicans, and yes the leader of the libertarians.

Between Paul Ryan, Hillary Clinton, and Gary Johnson the only question is who would grow Leviathan faster, and what specific clients would they enrich.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2016 07:15 PM (pibXr)

362 So the alligator says to the gorilla, "a watertight asshole can shit in the woods, too".

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 07:15 PM (HgMAr)

363 Not hundreds of billions if not trillions and we get to keep our relative freedom.

But, no.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:03 PM (p4UlV)

****

You have identified the problem and the reason for CommieCare. All they really had to do was expand Medicare. But, no.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:15 PM (jw4+G)

364 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (p4UlV)
I have insurance and if I have to have an MRI, I just go where the doctor tells me. If I had to pay out of pocket, I would find the cheapest, all things being equal.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:15 PM (egOGm)

365 So the alligator says to the gorilla, "You don't come here for the fishing do you?"

Posted by: The media Suxs at June 17, 2016 07:15 PM (5L5VR)

366 But note that the district is not rock-solid GOP. It's more like 55 to 45%. So, if the 15% of primary voters who don't like his face were to vote Dem, he'd be a goner.


BuckPAC lives! The downside is you get a Lieberman forever.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:16 PM (rwI+c)

367 356 I'm finding out the aftermath of a funeral includes large quantities of comfort food. The food tonight involves perogies, Mennonite farmers sausage (grilled) and fried pastries.
Food from my childhood. I feel like a lead pork chop.
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (dC1U5)


Sadly, I have one coming up Sunday or Monday. In Jewish tradition, the food is for family members who are too distraught or preoccupied to deal with mundane daily things like cooking, etc. during shiva.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:16 PM (p4UlV)

368 Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (PLnZs)
Just get a henna tattoo, they wash off eventually.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:16 PM (egOGm)

369 IOW, with effort and the desire, it's possible to bring him down.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 17, 2016 07:14 PM (T/5A0)

Yup, getting jinky with the presidency a la nevertrump is one thing, losing one of 435 is quite another

Posted by: random lurker at June 17, 2016 07:16 PM (+tRIN)

370 So the alligator says to the gorilla, "eat them fast, don't play around with them".

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (HgMAr)

371 I always read this lottery winners who go broke. Many have drug and/or gambling problems. They have no idea of what things cost. Guy who takes home 12 mil goes out and buys a private jet and several houses. Most of what they actually take home is much less than the jackpot amount. They buy houses for all their relatives. Everyone hits them up for money.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)

372 360 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 17, 2016 07:14 PM (T/5A0)

Which is exactly what I said when laughed at about taking Ryan down.

I'd prefer by "r" but by "d" if need be.

In 2018 I plan to have fun.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (g8Hfr)

373 Here's another nobrainer:

Trigglypuff vs. Alizee

(For all I know Alizee the frog might be as SJW as triggly, but there's still a bit of a difference, as Ace knows)

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Alizee+J%27en+Ai+Marre&FORM=RESTAB

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (P8951)

374 >>>291
We'll be a nation of lawyers, politicians, salesmen, and idlers.<<<

.
Put them on the "B" arc

Posted by: Javems at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (yOqwj)

375 Is it really hyperbole to call a person with anattitude like Ryan's a traitor? Surely he must know that flooding the country with people who don't subscribe to Western values will doom our ethos. Isn't knowingly helping to destroy your country treason?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 17, 2016 07:18 PM (H6376)

376
The number of non DoD officers who are authorized to carry firearms EXCEEDS the US Marine Corps.

200,000 federal officers with arrest and firearm authority. Tripled since 1996 from 74,000.

Hmm . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:18 PM (p4UlV)

377 I think it's 1979 all over again. Like Groundhog Day. We're back in the same situation. A chance of snapping out of incessant stagnation into a vibrant economy that actually creates jobs, opportunities, wealth.

Or selling out the last vestiges of hope, so that far east communists can raise their standard of living equivalent to ours.

Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (ZnIt3)

378 At some point it will be healthier just to annex Mexico and Canada.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (rwI+c)

379 355 342 JJ
my bigger point is third party payers are bad for consumers. If we all had HSA with a catastrophic policy, health care would improve just like lasik surgery and plastic surgery.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:07 PM (egOGm)

Totally agree.

Without the Fed in between your doctor and you (Medicare, etc,) and with real free market competition, medical costs would be a fraction of what they are. As they were before 1965.

But, no.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:13 PM (p4UlV)



Yep. Throw in tort reform, and medical costs would move closer to veterinary costs.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (oKE6c)

380
That includes the Smithsonian Institution and the US Mint.

Armed. To. The. Teeth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (p4UlV)

381 Isn't knowingly helping to destroy your country treason?
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 17, 2016 07:18 PM (H6376)

Yes, but countries are sooooo passe. Better to have a global elite to run things.

Now shut up or it's off to the Happy Fun Camp with you.

-- The Establishment

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 17, 2016 07:20 PM (rJUlF)

382 The penguin looks at the gorilla and says, "Heavens no, it's just ice cream!"

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 17, 2016 07:20 PM (ktzHq)

383 So the alligator says to the gorilla, "He had a hat."

Posted by: The media Suxs at June 17, 2016 07:20 PM (5L5VR)

384 At some point it will be healthier just to annex Mexico and Canada.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (rwI+c)
..................

Dibs on Baja.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2016 07:20 PM (HgMAr)

385 What Year From History Are We Currently Re-Living?



a. 1775

b. 1789

c. 1848

d. 1917

e. 1933

f. 1948

g. 1949

h. 1975

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)


I'm going to go with 1860, but that's just me.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 17, 2016 07:21 PM (GUBah)

386 371 I always read this lottery winners who go broke. Many have drug and/or gambling problems. They have no idea of what things cost. Guy who takes home 12 mil goes out and buys a private jet and several houses. Most of what they actually take home is much less than the jackpot amount. They buy houses for all their relatives. Everyone hits them up for money.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)



So you're saying that people self-selected for shitty judgment (lottery players) tends to produce a group of people with shitty judgment?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (oKE6c)

387 I'm going to go with 1860, but that's just me.

*checks for Abolitionist on the ballot*

Out of luck.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (rwI+c)

388 379 Yep. Throw in tort reform, and medical costs would move closer to veterinary costs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (oKE6c)

Self-identify as a cat.

Winning.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (p4UlV)

389 Yep. Throw in tort reform, and medical costs would move closer to veterinary costs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (oKE6c)

*****

Drug companies having one price for their products would be helpful as well. The U.S. consumers are currently getting to foot the entire bill for R&D of all U.S. drug companies.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (jw4+G)

390 I'm going to go with 1860, but that's just me.


Posted by: Country Singer at June 17, 2016 07:21 PM (GUBah)

I say again: Spain, 1935.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (oKE6c)

391
You want General Washington
You will settle for General Franco
You will get General Disorder

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:24 PM (rwI+c)

392 50 It's funny though - I'm the only homeowner in the greater Houston area who seems to cut my own grass...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 05:41 PM (C9pBZ)


Everyone in my neighborhood has a service the comes during the week. But then there's that one old guy who has to crank up his reel mower from 1975 on Saturday at 7:00 AM when I finally have the time to sleep in..

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:24 PM (hOPk7)

393 So some guy just got arrested for having a gun at a trump rally in Texas. No sure of intent yet. All I can see is he's big, dark, and has that chin beard thing, not a goatee. No name yet.

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 07:24 PM (xVgrA)

394 371 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)

My father grew up during the Depression and I have some of that mentality.

If I won Mega Millions, I guarantee you I would not buy a jet, etc. I have my eye on a lakefront house in NE Pennsylvania that's about $350,000 and that's it, baby.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:25 PM (p4UlV)

395 Something came to mind, maybe dumb but, what if a bunch of us start calling our senators and ask, how many people they've helped remove from the no fly list who were wrongfully placed on it?

Posted by: willy at June 17, 2016 07:25 PM (Ffw22)

396 What Year From History Are We Currently Re-Living?

a. 1775
b. 1789
c. 1848
d. 1917
e. 1933
f. 1948
g. 1949
h. 1975

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)
--------------------------------------------------

Some bad years there. I'm going with 1848, in honor of the decline of European nation states, political chaos in the U.S., possible third party presidential runs, the Progressive disease is dominating D.C. and theoretical support for transnational ideologies (that eventually led to the execution of hundreds of millions) were gaining in popularity.

Posted by: MTF at June 17, 2016 07:25 PM (/m8T6)

397 There was a guy who tweeted a death threat against Trump yesterday/today. Maybe it's him? The story should still be on Gateway Pundit's home page.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (PLnZs)

398 I think the period of time we are closest to now is the late 1920's.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (MNgU2)

399 390 I say again: Spain, 1935.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (oKE6c)

Germany 1933. Same diff.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (p4UlV)

400 "Surely he must know that flooding the country with people who don't subscribe to Western values will doom our ethos. Isn't knowingly helping to destroy your country treason?"

Which exact people are flooding in a destroying our ethos?

A whole lot of Americans don't subscribe to Western values anymore. What's the plan for them?

Posted by: Sexypig at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (UBBWX)

401 1933. The commies are ascendent and the average joe is blaming predation by the government and crony capitalists on "capitalism".

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:27 PM (b+8Ki)

402
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)


So you're saying that people self-selected for shitty judgment (lottery players) tends to produce a group of people with shitty judgment?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (oKE6c)

I've told this story before - a guy who worked at a 7/11 in Hawaii won a $1 million lottery about 15 years ago or so. After taxes, there was only about $350,000.(!!!!) He spent all of it - every single dime - on a baby blue Rolls convertible.

I think it's safe to say he's still working at 7/11 and the Rolls is long gone. But he's got lots of nice pictures of him driving around being King Shit for a few weeks.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:27 PM (P8951)

403 Current temperature: 95
Humidity: 147%
Feels like: I'm not going outside, that's what it feels like.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 17, 2016 07:27 PM (rJUlF)

404 To this administration Muzzies are a protected class, Rush mentioned that the injustice department is on the lookout for Muzzy discrimination.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 07:28 PM (d9qXV)

405 Drug companies having one price for their products would be helpful as well. The U.S. consumers are currently getting to foot the entire bill for RD of all U.S. drug companies.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (jw4+G)



Yes, absolutely. That's because other countries buy pharma products through their national health services, i.e., as monopsonies, and (implicitly, sometimes explicitly) threaten to rescind patent coverage and allow domestic companies to make the same product if pharma doesn't play ball. The monopsonies then dictate the price they will pay, usually (IIRC) on a cost-plus basis after the RD has been done. (Think of the cost to produce a movie vs. the cost to produce another DVD of the same movie.)

Pharma can't do anything about it; it's the US government that's got to get hard-nosed about this.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:28 PM (oKE6c)

406 Which exact people are flooding in a destroying our ethos?

A whole lot of Americans don't subscribe to Western values anymore. What's the plan for them?

Posted by: Sexypig at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (UBBWX)

*****

You're getting Straw all over the place.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:28 PM (jw4+G)

407
By the way, tonight's drawing is $310 million. After taxes, you get about $122 million lump sum.

I would be so friggin' miserly, you wouldn't believe it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:29 PM (p4UlV)

408 Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (oKE6c)
Tort reform is a must. Doctors use defensive medicine.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:29 PM (egOGm)

409 All of the Western leaders seem to be on the same page: Permanently change the demographics of your nation by importing foreigners by the millions. This cannot be coincidental.

It may sound tinfoil-hattish, but this has to be a planned and coordinated push for World Government. First, the most successful societies must be deliberately broken down.

I cannot see any other explanation.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2016 07:29 PM (sdi6R)

410 I think it's 1979 all over again. Like Groundhog Day. We're back in the same situation. A chance of snapping out of incessant stagnation into a vibrant economy that actually creates jobs, opportunities, wealth.

Or selling out the last vestiges of hope, so that far east communists can raise their standard of living equivalent to ours.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (ZnIt3)

Nope.

1856.

Everybody's just waiting for the match to be lit.

Posted by: Blano at June 17, 2016 07:30 PM (upmgM)

411 I think it's safe to say he's still working at 7/11 and the Rolls is long gone. But he's got lots of nice pictures of him driving around being King Shit for a few weeks.

The average lottery winner is broke in two years, independent of jackpot size.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:30 PM (hOPk7)

412 399 390 I say again: Spain, 1935.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (oKE6c)
Germany 1933. Same diff.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (p4UlV)



I was going for the tension and potential outbreak of hostilities between patriots/nationalists and Reds. The analogy is perfect.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:30 PM (oKE6c)

413 J.J. Sefton,

I am so sorry about the loss of your friend. Prayers and hugs for you, sir.

Posted by: Moki at June 17, 2016 07:30 PM (ezHMO)

414 Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:27 PM (P8951)
What a dumbass.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:31 PM (egOGm)

415 408 Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:19 PM (oKE6c)
Tort reform is a must. Doctors use defensive medicine.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:29 PM (egOGm)


The two most impossible groups to politically defang are the lawyers and the teachers.

No one is invincible, but in this situation, it's rather challenging to say the least.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:31 PM (p4UlV)

416 Nood

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 07:32 PM (d9qXV)

417 Looks like bikers will be protecting the trump supporters at his az ralley tomorrow.... I'll take tatooed harley riders over a pajama boy commie any day....

By the way i saw tatooed harley riders open for joe jackson at the hollywood bowl 1981....

Posted by: E.T. at June 17, 2016 07:32 PM (c+7Ko)

418 413 J.J. Sefton,

I am so sorry about the loss of your friend. Prayers and hugs for you, sir.
Posted by: Moki at June 17, 2016 07:30 PM (ezHMO)


Many thanks. I'm sorry that it took so long for me to have a rapprochement with him, yet grateful that it did happen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:32 PM (p4UlV)

419 I had some discussions recently that posed a similar choice to ace's Coast Guard example. The answers, including my own, somewhat surprised me.

You're en employer and you have two equally qualified candidates for a job. Candidate A is a US Citizen, Candidate B is not a citizen. Let's assume that B has legal status. Who do you hire?

If you'd asked me for the entirety of my preceding career, I'd have said, "Candidate A, the American", partially out of a sense of nationalism, partially out of practicality (no necessity for dealing with foreign family issues, potential language barriers, cultural differences, legal requirements, etc.). Candidate A would appear to be An easier choice with less potential for practical issues.

That's no longer the case. Now, by and large, Candidate A is a foreigner to me.

They expect outrageous pay and have no notion to that compensation correlates to performance or income. They cite BLS statistics as justification for their salary demands. Ok, the CEO of Apple makes several million a year in total comp. The CEO and sole owner of Bob's Hardware and Tire Shop is lucky to break 100K and is likely dumping part or all of his salary back into the company. How does that square with BLS averages? They will tell me, "I have credential x, y, and z" but absolutely zero experience. Who is of greater value, the shade tree mechanic who has been working on cars since diapers and a long list of running vehicles to his name or the guy that read every book about cars but has never held a wrench?

Then Candidate A will start with a long list of other "entitlements", paid time off AND sick time AND vacation time AND flex time AND... They never want to answer, "Okay, so when should I actually expect you to show up and get something done?"

Next Candidate A will lecture you about "fairness" (and everyone else in the workplace, if you hire them). Huh. If I said, I will pay you $5 to move that box on to the shelf and you agreed, I'd think that's fair. I'd think "unfair" would be you agreeing, then finding all sorts of reasons to not move the box while demanding more of me to show up and argue about why it isn't moved.

Candidate A will actively look for reasons to sue you. If they perceive unfairness, they won't come to you. They won't try to solve the problem. They will call the government and sue you. Then Candidate A will try to form a union.

The Non Citizen just wants a job and will generally do whatever it takes to excel in the position for whatever you agreed to pay them. They still have a sense of pride and work ethic. They don't make excuses about showing up late constantly, like showing up for work is an imposition. They show up early and don't start arguing about getting paid additional money for the time they hung up their coat, got coffee across the street, then took sat in the bathroom for 45 minutes on their phone before starting work.

Liberals have killed my sense of nationalism... along with our nation.

Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2016 07:32 PM (71OEY)

420 399 390 I say again: Spain, 1935.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (oKE6c)
Germany 1933. Same diff.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (p4UlV)



I'd say we have some parallels with Germany in 1919 (an ascendant Left thinking its time has come; not in losing a war, obviously) and with Chile in 1973.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:32 PM (oKE6c)

421 385
I'm going to go with 1860, but that's just me.
Posted by: Country Singer at June 17, 2016 07:21 PM (GUBah)


A mashup of 1860 and 1789 would certainly be "interesting".

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2016 07:32 PM (sdi6R)

422 Ryan is the leader of the accommodationist wing of the GOPe. I'm embarrassed that in 2012 I proclaimed here and elsewhere that he was an outstanding pick by Romney.

Posted by: cm9000 at June 17, 2016 07:33 PM (2TUVm)

423 400 Posted by: Sexypig at June 17, 2016 07:26 PM (UBBWX)

reciprocity

Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 07:33 PM (g8Hfr)

424
Apparently Morley Safer and Walter Cronkite subscribed to the idea that nations should be essentially abolished, and that all governments should be merged into a central global power. You know, because peoples around the world all have such similar value systems.
When your Dad was yelling at the TV all the years ago, he was right. Those guys WERE communists.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 17, 2016 07:33 PM (H6376)

425 All of the Western leaders seem to be on the same page: Permanently change the demographics of your nation by importing foreigners by the millions. This cannot be coincidental.

They don't have any reason to not import foreigners. These people aren't working in a cubicle or punch a clock, so it could be as simple as they feel more moral in being anti-nationalist.

There's a video floating around of a female German politician saying something like "In the future there won't be Germans, and that's a good thing". Everybody clapped, too.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (t2hqv)

426
1856.

Everybody's just waiting for the match to be lit.
Posted by: Blano at June 17, 2016 07:30 PM (upmgM)

Except it won't just America. It will be throughout the West.

And given Europe's past, I think the backlash there will indeed be the uglier form of nationalism.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (P8951)

427 *checks for Abolitionist on the ballot*



Out of luck.



Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (rwI+c)


Oh, there's an abolitionist on the ballot named Hillary!, it's just that what she wants to abolish isn't slavery (quite the opposite). She wants to abolish the United States and its Constitution.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (GUBah)

428 The two most impossible groups to politically defang are the lawyers and the teachers.
No one is invincible, but in this situation, it's rather challenging to say the least.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 07:31 PM (p4UlV)



They are, but their strength could one day be their weakness: they're all-in for the Democrat Party. A sea change in cultural and political values could leave them high and dry, ripe for targeting.

People say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (oKE6c)

429 Well DAMN! You sure as hell landed with a THUD! with this return to posting ... good to see you back ... how's the recovery goin' ... ?

Posted by: Dr_No at June 17, 2016 07:35 PM (bICLx)

430 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)
If I won the lottery, I would get a king air. I don't need a jet, but if I won 100 million, I would get a small jet. Maybe a citation or a pilatus.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:36 PM (egOGm)

431 422 Ryan is the leader of the accommodationist wing of the GOPe. I'm embarrassed that in 2012 I proclaimed here and elsewhere that he was an outstanding pick by Romney.
Posted by: cm9000 at June 17, 2016 07:33 PM (2TUVm)

Most of us here were fooled. I certainly was.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:36 PM (P8951)

432 431 422 Ryan is the leader of the accommodationist wing of the GOPe. I'm embarrassed that in 2012 I proclaimed here and elsewhere that he was an outstanding pick by Romney.
Posted by: cm9000 at June 17, 2016 07:33 PM (2TUVm)

Most of us here were fooled. I certainly was.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:36 PM (P8951)


Me too. What a disappointment.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:37 PM (iTl3j)

433 I say the late 20's . We are presently in a period with a big gap between the have and have nots. Good times like the roaring twenties for many. For others they are looking for promised freebies like offered by Huey Long and others who were embracing the populist socialist theory at the time. Anarchists also popular at that time like they are today. People were living on debt and credit without knowing the crash that was about to hit.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 07:37 PM (MNgU2)

434 If I won the lottery, I would get a king air. I don't need a jet, but if I won 100 million, I would get a small jet. Maybe a citation or a pilatus.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:36 PM (egOGm)

*****

A gently used Hatteras yacht moored in Caulker Caye, Belize for me.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:38 PM (jw4+G)

435 Except it won't just America. It will be throughout the West.



And given Europe's past, I think the backlash there will indeed be the uglier form of nationalism.

Posted by: DonnaV. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (P8951)

Look at Chile, though. Pinochet sorted out a lot of people in Chile, but it looks like (to channel the line from Apocalypse Now) he got the right ones. My impression is that Chile is doing pretty well by any standard, and fantastically well by South American standards.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:38 PM (oKE6c)

436 Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:38 PM (jw4+G)
I'll let you use my jet if you let me visit your yacht.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:40 PM (egOGm)

437
432431 422 Ryan is the leader of the accommodationist wing of the GOPe. I'm embarrassed that in 2012 I proclaimed here and elsewhere that he was an outstanding pick by Romney.
Posted by: cm9000 at June 17, 2016 07:33 PM (2TUVm)

Yeah, I did too back then. At this point, I detest Mittens Ryan more than the turds they ran against in 2012.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 17, 2016 07:40 PM (H6376)

438 Most of us here were fooled. I certainly was.

Posted by: DonnaV. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:36 PM (P8951)



Me too. Same thing with Chris Christie. Hell, I was fooled by Al Gore. I didn't realize he was nuts.

In reflecting on these cases, I like to console myself by thinking that maybe it wasn't my judgment/perspicacity that was deficient, it was that they changed.

I think that that's a particularly good bet in Gore's case; I think he was unhinged by losing the election.

Christie, I dunno. Maybe he had his head turned by Obongo. Ryan, I think, had his head turned by the DC power brokers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:41 PM (oKE6c)

439 You know, if it's 1789, I hope I live long enough to see a few prominent pols in the tumbrels before they come to get me.

Imagine Orange Johnny, Ryan and Miss Lindsay standing at the steps leading to the guillotine like Sidney Carton, except they're saying, "WTF are you doing? I'm on YOUR side, don't you see? This can't be happening!"

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:42 PM (P8951)

440

I routinely used to bait the left by asking them a hypothetical: if you're the US coast guard, and can save only a US citizen or a foreign national from drowning, which would you choose?


Ace:

This example might be a bit too extreme.

Perhaps you might get better responses from a re-imagined question:

If you're a hiring manager, in Dallas, Chicago, Dearborn, St Louis, Atlanta, Baltimore, San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland or any other American city,

... and ...

a) ... you have 2 equally technically-qualified job candidates, one an H1B (but the H1B has a lead, due to "Diversity points"), the other a (native-born) US Citizen ... whom do you hire?

b) ... you have 2 job candidates, one an H1B, the other a (native-born) US Citizen, and the US Citizen's "technical score" makes up for the H1B's "Diversity points" ... whom do you hire?

c) ... you have 2 job candidates, one an H1B, the other a (native-born) US Citizen, and the US Citizen's "technical score" makes up for all but 2 of the H1B's "Diversity points" ... whom do you hire?


Be sure to offer the liberal some Bactine and some ointment ...

Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2016 07:43 PM (FlRtG)

Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2016 07:43 PM (FlRtG)

442 >>>*checks for Abolitionist on the ballot*

Out of luck.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 07:22 PM (rwI+c)

All of our candidates want to abolish Republicans and y'all in chains......that's gotta count for somethin', amirite?

Posted by: Joey "Choo-choo" Biden at June 17, 2016 07:43 PM (eakac)

443 I'll let you use my jet if you let me visit your yacht.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:40 PM (egOGm)

*****

We have a deal then. Now, off to purchase the winning ticket....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:43 PM (jw4+G)

444 426
And given Europe's past, I think the backlash there will indeed be the uglier form of nationalism.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (P8951)


And even that would be vastly preferable to the future they are currently looking at.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2016 07:45 PM (sdi6R)

445 c) ... you have 2 job candidates, one an H1B,
the other a (native-born) US Citizen, and the US Citizen's "technical
score" makes up for all but 2 of the H1B's "Diversity points" ... whom
do you hire?





Be sure to offer the liberal some Bactine and some ointment ...



Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2016 07:43 PM (FlRtG)

d) you have two job candidates, one being anybody at all, without necessarily having any qualifications, but a decent attitude, and the other Grievance Studies graduate ... whom do you hire?
Trick question. Answer: you call up a robot manufacturer, to see if he can possibly hook you up.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:47 PM (oKE6c)

446 443 I'll let you use my jet if you let me visit your yacht.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2016 07:40 PM (egOGm)

*****

We have a deal then. Now, off to purchase the winning ticket....
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 17, 2016 07:43 PM (jw4+G)

And you two can use both to get to my fabulous South Pacific Island where I'll hole up when the shit hits the fan.

I will lay in a lifetime supply of Kaboom and Val-U-Rite and we can use crossbows to spear fish...

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:47 PM (P8951)

447 426

And given Europe's past, I think the backlash there will indeed be the uglier form of nationalism.

Posted by: DonnaV. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:34 PM (P8951)



Never mind the backlash. Europe had better hope the frontlash doesn't get too much worse.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:49 PM (oKE6c)

448 This may seem overly harsh, but I take no small measure of comfort knowing the leftists are particularly ill suited to survive what's coming.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 07:49 PM (e3bId)

449 Not longbows?

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:50 PM (+dM6I)

450 448 This may seem overly harsh, but I take no small measure of comfort knowing the leftists are particularly ill suited to survive what's coming.
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 07:49 PM (e3bId)



Move over.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:51 PM (oKE6c)

451 d) you have two job candidates, one being anybody at all, without necessarily having any qualifications, but a decent attitude, and the other Grievance Studies graduate ... whom do you hire?
Trick question. Answer: you call up a robot manufacturer, to see if he can possibly hook you up.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:47 PM (oKE6c)

Eh, try out the decent attitude guy first. He might surprise you. If that doesn't work out, then go with the robot.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:51 PM (P8951)

452 There is no very little there to the assertions about the grass roots versus the elite in the Republican party, though it flatter the pundits sense of importance to write of one. Trump won the nomination with 44.4% of the total votes cast in the Republican primary, which was the lowest percentage of primary voters since Richard Nixon in 1968. That was despite the fact he had the largest amount of free media of any candidate within memory. Trump did it the same way McCain won in 2008 with only 46,7% of the primary vote. He appealed to non Republican voters in the early open and winner take all primaries in order to create the impression he had huge momentum.

Now that it is a two way race, like McCain in 2008, Trump is faltering, and for the same reasons. He is a deeply flawed candidate that few people trust because of his past actions.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at June 17, 2016 07:54 PM (NTfUt)

453 Hire me, ima wymens so y'all will only have to pay me 78% of what y'all would have to pay the illegal and the beta male.

Posted by: lindafell de spair in Texas at June 17, 2016 07:55 PM (xVgrA)

454 Eh, try out the decent attitude guy first. He might surprise you. If that doesn't work out, then go with the robot.

Posted by: DonnaV. (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege) at June 17, 2016 07:51 PM (P8951)

Sure. I was kidding, but in the $15/h regime, that will be what those in a lot of industries will be thinking.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:55 PM (oKE6c)

455 448 This may seem overly harsh, but I take no small measure of comfort knowing the leftists are particularly ill suited to survive what's coming.
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 07:49 PM (e3bId)


Unfortunately the same is true of old people and small children.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:55 PM (+dM6I)

456 455 True. But I think everything I have worked my entire life for is about to go down the drain, so please forgive me if I look forward to a little retribution.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 07:57 PM (e3bId)

457 Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at June 17, 2016 07:54 PM (NTfUt)


Maybe the extraordinary number of candidates who held on for an unusual time had something to do with those numbers. Most primaries have fewer candidates at the outset, and a much faster winnowing process.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:57 PM (oKE6c)

458 You better hire the Grievance Studies graduate, if you know what's good for you.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Loretta Lynch at June 17, 2016 07:57 PM (sdi6R)

459

445 Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:47 PM (oKE6c)

d) you have two job candidates, one being anybody at all, without necessarily having any qualifications, but a decent attitude, and the other Grievance Studies graduate ... whom do you hire?
Trick question. Answer: you call up a robot manufacturer, to see if he can possibly hook you up.



I've lived a, b & c, in technical jobs, for very many years ... never seen d. But this might solve certain problems.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2016 07:58 PM (FlRtG)

460 455 448 This may seem overly harsh, but I take no small measure of comfort knowing the leftists are particularly ill suited to survive what's coming.
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 07:49 PM (e3bId)
Unfortunately the same is true of old people and small children.
Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:55 PM (+dM6I)



That's certainly true re natural causes. How relevant natural causes may be is another question.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:58 PM (oKE6c)

461
d) you have two job candidates, one being anybody at all, without necessarily having any qualifications, but a decent attitude, and the other Grievance Studies graduate ... whom do you hire?


False choice. There is nothing in which I would engage commercially that would even remotely call for a Grievance Studies graduate. I'd want to make a profit, not cater to someone continually in the throes of snother case of the vapors over some imagined slight.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 17, 2016 07:58 PM (BK3ZS)

462 I've lived a, b c, in technical jobs, for very many years ... never seen d. But this might solve certain problems.



Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2016 07:58 PM (FlRtG)

It was a semi-jocular comment, but looking for a new secretary I once had an HR wanker hand me a sheaf of resumes, one of which came from a Womyns' Studies major. I just shot him a look ("Really?"), put the resume aside, and went to the next one.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 08:01 PM (oKE6c)

463 There is no very little there to the assertions about the grass roots versus the elite in the Republican party, though it flatter the pundits sense of importance to write of one.

The election will tell. Up and down the ticket. Perhaps the electorate will once more vote against the Democrats, or perhaps the Republicans will lose everything. To know the answer, we need only wait.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at June 17, 2016 08:02 PM (rwI+c)

464

It was a semi-jocular comment, and I thought it might be, but out here in Silicon Valley ... I've seen things ...

Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2016 08:03 PM (FlRtG)

465 Antipatriotism isn't just unpragmatic for winning elections. It is immoral.

I like the lawyer analogy. The lawyer is morally obligated to act in the interests of his client. But politicians who share the unpatriotic view are worse than that. They are not only getting paid by the taxpayer, they are forcing him to subsidize these noncitizens as well. You can be charitable to someone individually, but to coerce some else to aid him is theft.

Finally, I think we have a duty to our countrymen similar to members of a household. First there is no moral obligation to let strangers into your home. Second, you have a moral obligation not to let people in who would harm or even inconvenience your family, no matter how bad your family. A parent who lets in a serial Syrian groper and endangers his or her daughter isn't compassionate, just a bad parent.

Posted by: Steve and Cold bear at June 17, 2016 08:04 PM (JuvA7)

466 This is exactly why the alt-right is rising in so many nation states.

Though I disagree with them at times, they understand that being a citizen matters and that we have a duty to our fellow citizens over foreign nationals. Time will tell if this causes a change in power or if we just continue down the road to an oligarichal global governance.

Posted by: NJRob at June 17, 2016 08:06 PM (bUbtO)

467 460 455 448 This may seem overly harsh, but I take no small measure of comfort knowing the leftists are particularly ill suited to survive what's coming.
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 07:49 PM (e3bId)
Unfortunately the same is true of old people and small children.
Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:55 PM (+dM6I)


That's certainly true re natural causes. How relevant natural causes may be is another question.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2016 07:58 PM (oKE6c)


A lot of old people are dependent on things like a steady supply of medications and functioning hospitals. If you developed cancer or a fistula or even just a bacterial infection, how long do you think you'd last in Venezuela today? Those kinds of services always fail first when things get dicey.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 08:07 PM (s8Nap)

468 While the main thrust is correct, you are falling into a common error. Nationalism is not, and never really was, a conservative position. This was certainly clear in the 19th C, when - contrary to the ignorance of today's conservative commentariat - in Western Europe it was bitterly opposed by "throne and altar" conservatives like Metternich. (Admittedly, Russia was a different story, as usual.) In America, it was states rights which was the core opposition to nationalism*. Our system was SUPPOSED to be an alternative to nationalism, even if it has largely failed.

Please don't confuse it with patriotism. Nationalism was just a gleam in Europe's eye in Shakespeare's day, but anyone can see the strong patriotism he expresses. And on this point, he was not unique by any means. If the word "tribalism" were not so abused today (it should refer to loyalty to a kinship group - nothing so vast and abstract as a nation or a race) it would be what conservatives should be defending: the fact that our sympathies and loyalties are and ought to be strongest for those closest to us, beginning with the family. (Note that nationalists were never really big on families, either.) Then they become wider - as they should - but also weaker.

The trouble is that nationalism, per se, entails the superiority of the nation over, not just other nations, but over its own subdivisions - states, provinces, towns; all kinds of localities. It has also, every place but here, entailed state power over churches (hence the establishments of Protestant countries, and the constant war between the Catholic Church and nationalist governments), and over education - with all the standardization that entailed, and of course the economy.

A very good example of the premodern notion of loyalty was Lee's decision that he could not fight against Virginia, not even for the US. Nowadays, that is regarded by the enlightened as being a cousin of Nazism, but that's leftist BS. Any serious conservative ought to be able to sympathize, even if disagreeing. (I'm not sure the nazification of the Confederacy isn't driven more by hatred of its subsidiarist nature, than by abhorrence of slavery, the latter being only the hammer used to drive the wedge.)

Anyway, don't fall into the "enemy of my enemy" trap. Nationalism is just another of the modern age's silly-ass nostrums, just like socialism, fascism, communism, multiculturalism, and all the rest. I think it's really from a pre-modern perspective that this should be seen for what it is, a battle between two sets of idolaters. But there are very few who will take that stance.

*One of the bred-in-the-bone faults with the American system is the fact that within the states themselves, the state governments have effectively despotic power over lower-levels of government. But I don't see how this could have been avoided, given our history. Nothing is perfect.

Posted by: George LeS at June 17, 2016 08:10 PM (DML1u)

469 467 I think deaths from the simple disruption of maintenance medication delivery during any sort of widespread 'event' will be staggering.

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2016 08:12 PM (e3bId)

470 Everyone in my neighborhood has a service the comes
during the week. But then there's that one old guy who has to crank up
his reel mower from 1975 on Saturday at 7:00 AM when I finally have the
time to sleep in..

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2016 07:24 PM (hOPk7)

That is because every other a-hole on the block pays a lawn service to come in with four guys jumping off a truck and firing up two lawnmowers, a weedwacker, and an edger at 7:00 AM eery day monday thru friday, the only days he can sleep in.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 17, 2016 08:22 PM (P/kVC)

471 Can I get a amen

Posted by: csonar at June 17, 2016 08:22 PM (V9sPV)

472 Ace, excellent posts, in fact the last two (including the one about Ryan) are right on.

I would add...

Basically the problem we have now is a internationalist oligarchic party dominates Western Civilization. I mean in Germany, Britain, France, America, etc. we have basically the same political party in power. All of them demand that we put nationalism behind other worldly interests.

The "uni-party" is not just the GOP/Democrat alliance on internationalism, but also involves the Tories/Labor in Britain, and most "mainstream" political parties in western Europe.

You can see why a bunch of American "hicks" running around with guns and going on about the constitution is upsetting to them. Peasants with guns is never good if you are a member of the new aristocracy. Then comes a "lunatic" like Trump going on about blowing the whole thing up so he can appease "his fans".

Posted by: William Eaton at June 17, 2016 08:23 PM (KhJh8)

473 It is not so much that we have a patriotic duty that supersedes others. It's more that the politician who does not act in the interests of the citizenry is using or squandering resources and property not his own, to harm said citizenry. That is theft and is immoral on that level. The politician can favor whomever he wants on his own time on his own dime.

Posted by: Steve and Cold bear at June 17, 2016 08:24 PM (JuvA7)

474 World Government will not be in any way, shape, or form "libertarian". I believe its architects look back fondly on the days of feudalism and hereditary nobility.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2016 08:27 PM (sdi6R)

475 468---Posted by: George LeS at June 17, 2016 08:10 PM
--------------------
Thoughtful comment.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 17, 2016 08:29 PM (T/5A0)

476 Politicians are dishonest stewards, bad stewards, like a trust fund manager for a child or a senile elderly person who rips them off. They try to spin that as somehow morally virtuous, because they are disgusting shameless sociopaths.

Posted by: Steve and Cold bear at June 17, 2016 08:29 PM (JuvA7)

477 https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/743946117251993600
Man with gun taken into custody at Trump rally in Texas.

Posted by: @votermom at June 17, 2016 08:32 PM (7lVbc)

478 Sigh... another in the endless examples of somebody defining libertarians to suit their argument. I have been a libertarian since my single-digit years. I have always been an ardent patriot of the USA. The one unique country in the history of the world, whose sole purpose has been (however flawed in implementation as all things are) to secure the blessings (from God) of Liberty for ourselves and our posterity. There is (for me), no dichotomy between Liberty and Country. I would save my countryman.

Libertarians are the political untouchables of the USA. Everybody (right and left) hates and despises libertarians. Everybody else wants libertarians as a john wants a whore: they want our votes to gain political power, so they can enslave their opponents and enrich themselves by theft. We are despised because our answer to all that is "gfy". Yah, that seems a very Holden Caulfield attitude. But as you are all finally learning, as we have always said, there are no differences between (R) and (D). Gfy, I'll do what I want, it's my life, and I'll join you if it's to my benefit. I've got a limited amount of time here, and I intend to use that time solely for purposes that I find valuable. I'm not gonna mess with other people, and I won't be messed with. You wanna mess with me, bring backup.

Poor soft-headed McCardle, her heart breaks over the plight of refugees. Welcome to life, where tragedy stalks us every day and comes to us all. You want to help those people? Kick them out of our country and send them home with guns. Lots of guns. The United States is not the world's charity. This country is run for our benefit. If all the other countries don't want to follow our example, then fine, let them reap as they sow.

Libertarians understand this: No country has a "right" to exist. If we all cannot or will not defend our country, we will lose it one way or another, sooner rather than later, and be slaves to someone else.

Posted by: John A. Fleming at June 17, 2016 09:05 PM (qNI3R)

479 Libertarians understand this: No country has a "right" to exist. If we all cannot or will not defend our country, we will lose it one way or another, sooner rather than later, and be slaves to someone else.


Isn't Open Borders the official position of the Libertarian Party?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at June 17, 2016 09:08 PM (rwI+c)

480 Seemingly so. https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

"The fundamental choice before us is whether we redouble our efforts to enforce existing immigration law, whatever the cost, or whether we change the law to match the reality of a dynamic society and labor market."

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at June 17, 2016 09:10 PM (rwI+c)

481 284 IIRC, one of Joni Mitchell's more seminal albums was her 1979 tribute, "Mingus."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 06:46 PM (p4UlV)


Good choice.

I know that morons have fun of her for kooky things she's done and said, but she is one heckuva musician and songwriter.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at June 17, 2016 09:47 PM (nvMvs)

482 Actual libertarians also vehemently oppose the welfare state and seek its abolition. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that you can't have both open borders and a welfare state.

I have no idea what the official LP position is at present. My position is "first eliminate welfare in all its forms, and then we can discuss open borders". Anything else is national suicide.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2016 09:50 PM (sdi6R)

483 "Just war theory" has nothing to do with nationalism.

Your ignorance is showing.

Posted by: MlR at June 17, 2016 10:36 PM (k4rgc)

484 I am reminded of the famous psycho experiment that we all heard about, letting rats overpopulate in a confined space. Our technology is shrinking the space each of us has, rather than us over populating, but the effect is the same. It feels like we're crowding ourselves and pushing back and pushing each other away. This whole borderless world thing is contrary to human nature, which is to self define and group. Rabbi Ed Friedman writes about the need for boundaries and self defining. We need to do that individually and as a country. No matter how enlightened we become, we still live in the physical world and are still run by our animal (human) nature.

Posted by: Dave Jones at June 17, 2016 11:07 PM (LNakt)

485 And now you know why I support Trump. He's an Orange buffoon but of the entire GOP field he was the only one not clearly in bed with the globalists. I fully expect him to screw me over, but I will not vote for people who don't put Americans first.

Posted by: RedSnapper at June 17, 2016 11:15 PM (CdEiq)

486 Obama thought he was past the antiquated nation state model.

Surprise--world in flames!

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 17, 2016 11:22 PM (Ndje9)

487 Outside the anglo-american world, how many libertarians are there? I just don't get why these guys think giving a bunch of third worlders the right to vote in our elections is going to push policy to the right. It's insane.

Posted by: Baltar at June 17, 2016 11:25 PM (Aej9S)

488 Ace, maybe you should follow up your original question to leftists with a reframed version: "Ok, fair enough, you wouldn't pick either, but what if one of them were a leftist approved person (take your pick: trans, gay, Muslim, etc) and the other a conservative?" I wonder if they would still regard the choice as arbitrary?
P.s., Apologies if a similar comment has been made. I came here late and haven't read all the comments.

Posted by: The Cosmic Puppet at June 18, 2016 12:38 AM (JN4PP)

489 The Libertarian Party? C'mon, they were co-opted long ago. Think. What happened to all those Tea-Party darlings? Surprise! After less than two years in office they threw away their masks, and you could all see that they were just run of the mill grasping politician-wannabe lying sociopaths. The "Tea Party" label was their opportunity of a lifetime to join the Ruling Party. The LP are just the kooks who think it's their ticket to the Ruling Party, too stupid to realize they'll never get there.

There is no political representation for those who just want to be left alone to live their lives and raise their families and achieve their chosen goals in peace. I'm guessing somewhere around 85% of the people of the country are for one of two things: 1) get my my neighbor's money, or 2) we can't let people do whatever they want that we don't like. With numbers like that, what's the use? Life is best spent on things that are interesting.

Posted by: John A. Fleming at June 18, 2016 12:48 AM (c2pxW)

490 If anyone thinks that getting rid of the 'visible' (i.e. the ones we elect) elites will solve our issues they need to consider the massive body of invisibles: the bureaucracies. The need to regrow a sense of love of country in that body is overwhelming. I can only be done one step at a time. Quite rebellion though actions such as home schooling and attending local town halls to oppose anti-American agendas are the first in a very long list of things one can do.

Posted by: Flapjawman at June 18, 2016 02:20 AM (Z4qFi)

491 oh man...the typoes in my post are terrible...sorry for that.

Posted by: Flapjawman at June 18, 2016 02:29 AM (Z4qFi)

492 McArdle is pretty much the only person at Bloomberg that could have written that article.

Posted by: bjk at June 18, 2016 06:49 AM (x2rNW)

493 Sorbonne, Paris, France

Let me say at once that I am no advocate of a foolish cosmopolitanism. I believe that a man must be a good patriot before he can be, and as the only possible way of being, a good citizen of the world. Experience teaches us that the average man who protests that his international feeling swamps his national feeling, that he does not care for his country because he cares so much for mankind, in actual practice proves himself the foe of mankind; that the man who says that he does not care to be a citizen of any one country, because he is the citizen of the world, is in fact usually and exceedingly undesirable citizen of whatever corner of the world he happens at the moment to be in. In the dim future all moral needs and moral standards may change; but at present, if a man can view his own country and all others countries from the same level with tepid indifference, it is wise to distrust him.

Sincerely,

Posted by: Theodore Roosevelt, who actually earned his Nobel Peace Prize at June 18, 2016 07:36 AM (Ndje9)

494 @487 Baltar

"I just don't get why these guys think giving a bunch of third worlders the right to vote in our elections is going to push policy to the right. It's insane."


Magic dirt theory? Globalists are pushing an agenda and like all OWS types, the consequences be damned as they won't be paying for them. Thomas Sowell wrote a book "The Visoin of the Anointed" and it pretty much describes the insanity of what is currently going on.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at June 18, 2016 07:47 AM (RfIsX)

495 You noticed that liberalism and libertarianism have long been universalist abstractions, but then wonder why conservatism, or self-styled conservatives, are now spouting universalist abstractions. The truth of the matter is that conservatism officially has been a universalist abstraction itself, for quite some time.

Posted by: countenance at June 18, 2016 09:06 AM (nDQDc)

496 You also say that conservatives used to be patriotic. Actually, they still are. But the sleight of hand is that they define patriotism as adhering to universalist abstract ideologies, usually one variant of libertarianism or another. Unlike the definition of patriotism that most people have, which is basically nationalism.

I think your article is an example of the fact that so many people who thought they were conservatives for a lot of years were actually people that wanted populism and nationalism, and thought subconsciously that conservatism was that in essence or could be bounced off of for those purposes, and more and more people are figuring it out that it just isn't so, that conservatism isn't populism and nationalism, and trying to use conservatism as a bank shot for pop-nat purposes has been a generation-long flop.

Hence, Trump, and hence, the alt-right, and hence, eventually, a fully independent nationalist political conscience of some sort that is different from and triangulates against conservatism, liberalism, libertarianism, et al.

Posted by: countenance at June 18, 2016 09:16 AM (nDQDc)

497 "BTW: I call this an "arch-libertarian position" because, well, it is. Libertarians believe that nationalism is just another kind of collectivism, and as evil as the others."
Where did you get the idea that Libertarians in general believed this? Admittedly, Libertarians can hardly agree on the time of day but nationalism is just another form of collectivism? Some libertarians may think so, but most? or all? Nah

Posted by: FLOYd Alsbach at June 18, 2016 09:51 AM (b0nI/)

498 "I just don't see how you can claim to be patriotic, or to be
"pro-miliatry," when you dn't believe in the central pillar of
patriotism -- a favoring of one's fellows over any other claimants for
one's loyalties or sympathies."

Does that include when your fellows are wrong? Because there is a law within the military, as seen in the discourse ont he subject of waterboarding, etc.

Posted by: Fnord at June 18, 2016 10:29 AM (ZgRru)

499 When a middle class moralist starts preening about the wonders of a global society, just change the subject to your local farmer's market and point out your own moral superiority for buying fresh, local non-corporate produce at those events. It won't dent their faith, but it does end the torture.

Posted by: Ana at June 18, 2016 10:57 AM (J9Bq3)

500 Here's an example that WILL put arch-libertarians in a quandary.
Zombie apocalypse. You and a few friends and loved ones have survived, made it to a shelter with some supplies and weapons.
[The zombies are not the real threat; they're a sanitation problem for the Army Corps. of Engineers.]
Another band of survivors now seeks to take over your shelter, steal your supplies and turn your weapons against you.
Do you eschew favoritism and roll over?
Or do you hold the fort, however racist/speciesist/ infectedist that may be?

Posted by: Robert Arvanitis at June 18, 2016 11:31 AM (GqAUD)

501 ace.

I'm going to delurk for a second and leave I think the second comment on your blog, the first one I had to bring math, and no one likes math...

Dead nuts, spot on my man. That's why I've kept coming back for over 10 years. I know we haven't been playing nicely with each other, and there's been times I wanted to de-lurk and yell at you, but I figured ace would get it and write it as well as I could. You did...

While I'm typing a message that I hope you see:

a) you're in my prayers for the eye thing, sorry it's not going as well as hoped. Do everything you have to do to get better.

b) MPPP, who I'm sure you have familiarity with, wants to try to step to his dream job, which he is uniquely qualified for. He asked for help on Friday and got excellent advice, because that's what the horde does - we should figure out a way to moron source his cover letter in the mornings early next week to make absolutely sure it's his best foot forward. Stares at cobs...

Posted by: cfdxprt at June 18, 2016 12:41 PM (HI21U)

502 This is why I left the Republican Party and cannot support American military intervention anywhere in the world now:

"But I cannot get "conservates" attackign nationalism/patriotism -- and at the same time agitating for war."

This probably started with elder Bush and spiraled out of control. If you think a soldier merely is an expendable widget easily replaced if killed to advance your personal interests, AND "citizen" is an outmoded concept, you have no right to be near the levers of power. It explains why people such as Graham will undermine all efforts to secure the nation's sovereignty yet squeal for War o' the Week. I singled out Graham because he literally said illegal immigration was a positive thing because it kept his greens fees lower.

Bush/Obama/Bush have destroyed this country and all actively engaged in outright treason. It is hard to get too taxed about the election as a result. Question and aside: which state will follow California and allow illegal aliens to vote and hold office?

Brilliant piece from McArdle and you, Ace.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 18, 2016 04:36 PM (pq97T)

503 Make that "Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama."

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 18, 2016 05:56 PM (pq97T)

504 Conservatives are scared to death of their culturally dominant opponents calling them racist, which leads to the white-hating, America-destroying, anti-conservative beliefs of the left to becoming policy. Quacking on about collectivism is just the fig leaf they put over their cowardice. (Conservatism - a movement of cowards lead by crooks.) It's just a plausible excuse that prevents them from having to acknowledge that they are collaborating in the destruction of their people, civilization, nation, political movement, and even their political party. How do you acknowledge that you are a lick-spittle? That you are a Stockholm/Battered Wife Syndrome slave? The war/military thing isn't a contradiction, the press for war and uber militarism is just acquiring a foreign enemy in order to avoid racial politics back home. As Peter Hitchens put it: "They [the Republicans] preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts."

http://tinyurl.com/633js8

Posted by: Rob at June 19, 2016 09:37 PM (2mALu)

505 This is a very good article, in my opinion, and explains the post-cultural philosophy of the likes of Paul Ryan, perhaps Obama, perhaps Hillary Clinton, and perhaps most of the RINOs. But, I kept waiting, as I do when reading just about every article written by a conservative blogger, trying to analyze a particular political problem, for this sort of conclusion: "Okay, now that I've analyzed this problem for you, here is a strategy and plan for what we conservatives can DO to replace these RINOs." Because they really do not care what any of us have to say or write.

The ONLY thing they fear is the possibility that we will get organized and united politically to actually learn how to do politics and take them out in the next primary election.

Here's a place to start:

http://tinyurl.com/hp8cws9

Thank you.

Posted by: Cold Warrior at June 20, 2016 12:31 AM (QxrRm)

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