On Race and Judges, Trump Isn't a Racist nor a Conservative -- He's a Standard Issue Liberal

There's no part of a minority that's expected to rule in solidarity with his race?

No particular racial mode of thinking a minority brings to the table?

That would be a shock to these liberals:

"It's impossible not to be disgusted at someone who could benefit so much from affirmative action and then pull up the ladder after himself. "

-- Liberal Maureen Dowd making the standard liberal criticism of Clarence Thomas -- that he's a race traitor insufficiently biased towards members of his own race.

Did Jake Tapper call Maureen Dowd a "textbook racist" for that bit of demagoguery?

Of course not.

Did Paul fucking Ryan?

I doubt it.

He sure didn't remember objecting to it when called upon to comment upon Trump's similar race essentialism. Guess it didn't make much of an impression on him then.

Incidentally, Clarence Thomas is a figure of hate for the left because of his relative uniqueness.

Therefore, in the minds of liberals, most black judges are sufficiently solicitous of the political interests of their own races.

Again-- any upset from the liberals over this liberal idea that judges of color are supposed to "look out for their own"?

None.

This "Thomas pulls the ladders up from other blacks (which most black judges don't do)" critique is of course not original to Dowd -- nothing is original to this tired, sad hag. It's standard issue liberal cant.

None of which is ever objected to by our liberal media masters.

Indeed, Clarence Thomas is attacked for his race quite frequently, on bizarrely unrelated grounds.

The left is renewing its venomous, racist attacks on Thomas in the aftermath of his dissent in the Supreme Court’s 6-3 ruling in favor of gay marriage.
Actor George Takei smeared Thomas as a “clown in blackface.” The Huffington Post called his dissent “beyond ridiculous” and tarred him as a hypocrite for opposing a court-created “right” to gay marriage:
“Clarence Thomas is married to a white woman — something that would be illegal today, if it weren’t for the Supreme Court’s historic Loving v. Virginia ruling.” As if his personal life is fair game.
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Last Friday, in another low blow, New York Times reporter Adam Liptak portrayed Thomas as a lightweight whose opinions are cut-and-paste jobs from briefs submitted to the court.

Do Hispanics have a different style of judging than whites -- a different set of inputs leading to a different array of outputs?

Yes indeed they do, says liberal Justice Sandra Sotomayor.

In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge "may and will make a difference in our judging."
In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion -- often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O’Connor -- that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life," said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.
Her remarks, at the annual Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California, Berkeley, were not the only instance in which she has publicly described her view of judging in terms that could provoke sharp questioning in a confirmation hearing.
This month, for example, a video surfaced of Judge Sotomayor asserting in 2005 that a “court of appeals is where policy is made.” She then immediately adds: “And I know — I know this is on tape, and I should never say that because we don’t make law. I know. O.K. I know. I’m not promoting it. I’m not advocating it. I’m — you know.”

Indeed, President Obama himself has suggested that minority judges like Sotomayor may bring something to the bench that whites can't bring -- "empathy."

Republicans have signaled that they intend to put the eventual nominee under a microscope, and they say they were put on guard by Mr. Obama's statement that judges should have "empathy," a word they suggest could be code for injecting liberal ideology into the law.

Now some conservatives will claim that they agree with the above-going complaints.

But okay -- then why didn't you say so?

Because these quotes were insanely easy to find.

If you had any interest at all in attacking both Trump and the liberal race-based worldview he seems to espouse, you could have done so.

But you didn't.

You only seemed interested in joining the PC Pitchfork Brigade.

You may disagree with Trump's Standard Liberal Take on Race Essentialism.

However, if you do not simultaneously point out that this is the Standard Liberal Take, and is, when uttered by any liberal, completely unremarkable and indeed routine, then your goal here is not to push back against PC Speechcodes and Racethink -- but to advance it, because it temporarily (?) serves your interests to do so.

Shall we search for more quotes, or will everyone concede the left routinely attacks conservative minorities for not having sufficient race solidarity, and routinely praises liberal minorities for thinking in racially-harmonious ways?

By the Way: The media recently had yet another Race-Affects-Judgments-In-Legal-Contexts-When-We-Say-It-Does moment, on May 23:

@Patterico @jaketapper @AceofSpadesHQ https://t.co/8aMCelJKNm
— [[[[Chris Coon]]]] (@Coondawg6 June 7, 2016

Why no one ever talks about racial inputs affecting legal outputs-- except the left and the media (but I repeat myself), constantly!

Posted by: Ace at 04:13 PM

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1 Yes, if we let the left set the agenda and the facts, we have already lost.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:15 PM (Ozsfq)

2
Who wants to some funneh?

Ace, et al, I think you'll appreciate this. This guy hits all the right notes while maintaining a straight face.

How To Become Gluten Intolerant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oht9AEq1798

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:16 PM (XgPhs)

3 When Sotomayor was up for conformation, I remember reading some ridiculous twaddle about how her experience raising babies and making tamales brought something important to the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court.

Seriously. Because constitutional law is all about tamale-making and baby raising.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 04:17 PM (8ZskC)

4 Any time Trump is talking about anything other than how horrible Hillary is, he's wasting precious time.

It would also help if he stopped spending time attacking other Republicans. Gosh, maybe he could do some fundraising since he's decided not to self-fund after all.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 04:18 PM (8048L)

5 I was just going to post something like this! Trump is no different than Joe "Indians in 7-11, Clean & Articulate Black Guy" Biden on race: not hateful, just stupid & patronizing. Most liberals of his generation have the same p.o.v.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:18 PM (7HtZB)

6 Tamales are delicious.

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 04:18 PM (U7v0V)

7
Tamales are delicious.

Posted by: Lauren

Trump Tower makes the best tamales in New York City!

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:19 PM (XgPhs)

8 It would also help if he stopped spending time attacking other Republicans. Gosh, maybe he could do some fundraising since he's decided not to self-fund after all.
Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 04:18 PM (8048L)

But other, and I use the term loosely, Republicans are allowed to attack him without any fear of retaliation? What are those democratic rules? And of course you will donate to him right, since you are so worried about fund raising?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:19 PM (Ozsfq)

9 Black Diamonds the New Scent from AceofSpades

Find it in Lesser Tier Box Stores, This Fall.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (I8Bd1)

10 I asked for kittens.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (B48dK)

11 another benefit of leaving Facebook - not having to scroll past George Takei posts

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (27KAF)

12 Only leftists bring it up, who's the racists?

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (3wHFl)

13 Ryan and McConnell are both sniveling fuckwits for apologizing for Trump's racism and groveling before the MSM. There was an important point to be made here about forcing the Left to live by its own mythology.

But McConnell and Ryan could never imagine making it. That's why the GOP is DEAD.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (8ZskC)

14 7
Tamales are delicious.

Posted by: Lauren

Trump Tower makes the best tamales in New York City!
Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:19 PM (XgPhs)

I'm actually planning on having dinner there next time I visit New York, just to troll people.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (7HtZB)

15
Clarence Thomas is attacked for his race quite frequently, on bizarrely unrelated grounds.
-------------------------

Clarence Thomas is routinely denounced as white. Yes -- he's THAT evil.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (pC96u)

16 On Race and Judges, Trump Isn't a Racist nor a Conservative -- He's a Standard Issue Liberal
-Ace

Finally. I've been trying to sort this Curiel thing in my head, and you've just provided clarity. Trump's statements are only "racist" in the same sense that the entire leftist philosophy is also "racist". I see Trump's statements as abhorrent... But still not as bad as Hillary.

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (0+LRx)

17 another benefit of leaving Facebook - not having to scroll past George Takei posts
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (27KAF)

I think if you look up the phrase "One Trick Pony" in the dictionary, you will find his picture

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (Ozsfq)

18

All of a sudden the Left isn't in favor of recognizing and promoting a 'different world view'!

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (XgPhs)

19 Mark Kirk, senator from Iowa, leaving the republican party to be an independent.

Says it's because of Trump.

Doesn't know who he's going to vote for in the fall.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)

20 It is very telling indeed that Ryan and Graham called Trump a 'racist' for his comments. These were people who never truly understood what it means to be 'equal under the eyes of the law.' According to Ryan and Graham minorities are 'more equal' and have to have special treatment, where whites get stomped on repeatedly for perceived 'racist' comments and actions that are just normal comments and actions.

FYI, it is very common for people of a certain era (Trump included) to refer to a country (Mexico) rather than the politically-correct term "Hispanic" when talking about someone who is of Mexican descent. Same as you will find people of a certain generation who call Asians 'orientals.' They do not see these words as demeaning or racist. They are just descriptive words.

Let's get over it already. Ryan, Graham, etc. good riddance to you. You just bought into the left and their ridiculous notion that 'acceptable' terms change all the time, and if you don't keep up, you are 'racist.'

Posted by: K-E at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (lDREP)

21 Ben Stein, of all people, makes the very point that Ryan should have made.

http://spectator.org/trump-is-totally-right/

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 04:22 PM (8ZskC)

22 Nothing goes better with a plate of warm Emanations and Penumbras than a nice cold glass of Horchata.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 04:22 PM (I8Bd1)

23 Oh yeah the GOP with their " sharp questioning" in confirmation hearings has served us well.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:22 PM (B48dK)

24
Condi Rice is another one they do it to.

Code: Not Black
Decoded: Not good

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:23 PM (pC96u)

25 I hate getting willowed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:24 PM (1ZOkK)

26 Mark Kirk, senator from Iowa, leaving the republican party to be an independent.

Says it's because of Trump.

Doesn't know who he's going to vote for in the fall.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)

where did you get that? He is withdrawing support for trump, but where does it say he is leaving the party...not that I give a shit, just saying...Some State Senator from another State is leaving the party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:24 PM (Ozsfq)

27 Tamales are delicious.
Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 04:18 PM (U7v0V)

Don't generalize. You haven't tried my mom's tamales.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 04:25 PM (8ZskC)

28
The Left is so full of shit, tho.

One day they're all about Diversity! and Multiculturalism!

And just when all us idiots are all playing by their rules on diversity and multiculturalism, the Left creates a new set of rules! It is now considered CULTURAL APPROPRIATION for whites to even eat a fucking taco.

The Left is fucking with us. They are, simply, trying to break us. We are pretty much living an episode of The Prisoner. We are all Patrick McGoohans.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:25 PM (XgPhs)

29 *hic* cough.

Posted by: Hillary! at June 07, 2016 04:26 PM (YCHOA)

30 So we have accepted that "Hispanics", or for us old dudes, "Mexicans" are a race? What about the French? They are denigrated here all the time. Is that racist?

Posted by: Javems at June 07, 2016 04:26 PM (yOqwj)

31 So everyone in America is a Hyphenated American EXCEPT the La Raza Judge who is the only 100% pure American?

OK I got it...Good to know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:27 PM (Ozsfq)

32 You poor victims.

Posted by: Zeno at June 07, 2016 04:27 PM (mk1E9)

33 Mmmm
Tamales!

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 07, 2016 04:27 PM (QM5S2)

34 This is the power of DEFINITIONS.
You seen "racism" requires an "inequity of power."
Ergo, you can't be racist against white people.

Posted by: Edumacated Person at June 07, 2016 04:27 PM (k8tEg)

35 Great, Willowed x two.

Posted by: what me worry? at June 07, 2016 04:27 PM (dZGNV)

36 SMOD can't come quick enough for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:27 PM (Ozsfq)

37 More.

Fuck. These never-trumpers won't be happy until Hillary is sworn into office.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (i2t8l)

38 Liberals at least subconsciously realize that tribalism is a thing. They just happen to be on the side of any tribe that opposes the west.

Posted by: a phoenician sailor at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (uEmgg)

39 I love tamales.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (CFc5L)

40 where did you get that? He is withdrawing support for trump, but where does it say he is leaving the party...not that I give a shit, just saying...Some State Senator from another State is leaving the party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:24 PM (Ozsfq)

He just called in to MSNBC and was interviewed.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (Zs4uk)

41 Mark Kirk, senator from Iowa, leaving the republican party to be an independent.

Says it's because of Trump.

Doesn't know who he's going to vote for in the fall.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)

Goodbye RINO scum.

He'll caucus with the Democrats if Trump wins, you watch.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (ClpZf)

42 Ryan comes to bury Caesar, not to praise him. Third in line, Ryan is the most powerful Republican in the country save for Trump. It burns, Precious, yes, I know, it burns.

Posted by: Jamie at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (9eteO)

43 Forget it Jake, it's Calvinball.

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (QM5S2)

44 Didn't Obama say it was dangerous to get between Mooch and a tamale?

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (B48dK)

45 "Indeed, President Obama himself has suggested that minority judges like Sotomayor may bring something to the bench that whites can't bring -- "
.....................

Tamales?

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (HgMAr)

46 The Progressive Left... Please keep up with your whitesplaining about minorities...

Posted by: Brock O'bama at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (eDWZG)

47 Clarence Thomas was born five miles from where I'm sitting right now.

A good friend of ours is his cousin.

Thomas and his wife vacation in their motor home, and frequently come to the state park on our island.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (1ZOkK)

48 I don't think his comments were racist to begin with. He's speaking about one judge, not all Mexicans.

And, having been involved in civil litigation several times, I am open to the possibility that he is being screwed by this judge. It ain't racist to make a claim about one guy if the claim is true.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (mrfTe)

49
Let's say you're in the office in your cubicle. Your coworker peeks over the partition and says, "Hey, bro, how 'bout we do Meh-hee-can for lunch today?"

You say, "Si, senor!"

Now if your Social Justice Whiner (SJW) coworker overhears this, he/she'll will fuck you in the ass royally with human resources.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (XgPhs)

50
This stuff is so deep that -- admit it -- we've all come to take our own abuse for granted.

If I were being sued on some hokey civil rights issue by a Hispanic and facing a judge who belongs to La Raza, I would purse my lips and resign myself to failure.

It wouldn't even occur to me to charge bias and demand another judge. I admit it. I would just take the inevitable injustice for granted; a matter of routine, a part of the landscape.

Although that was before. This is now.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:30 PM (pC96u)

51 44 Didn't Obama say it was dangerous to get between Mooch and a tamale?
Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (B48dK)

A table of tamales, to be exact.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 04:30 PM (CFc5L)

52 I'll repeat myself (since I love the sound of my own typing):

Far too many people on the Right failed to say a word when I have been Unpeopled for decades due to my refusal to accept that my vagina and my sexuality come with non-optional political beliefs.

So they can take their vapors and their moral authority and their ever so refined sensibilities and they can kiss my ass.

Posted by: alexthechick - All Your Parfait Is Belong To Me at June 07, 2016 04:30 PM (mf5HN)

53 He just called in to MSNBC and was interviewed.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (Zs4uk)

Called into MSNBC? Well that says it all. Hope his wheel chair gets Seinfelded.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:30 PM (Ozsfq)

54 44
Didn't Obama say it was dangerous to get between Mooch and a tamale?

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (B48dK)

Tamale or a taco. When she unhinges her jaw, look out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:30 PM (1ZOkK)

55

Another angle.
Yes indeed.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:30 PM (qCMvj)

56 Same old arguments, FIRE!!!!

This is getting worse than 'Groundhog Day.'

Posted by: ZBT at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (mBYZv)

57 I want to eat tamales with Condi in her black leather boots!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (BRgcl)

58 Wait, so the Supreme Court is saying that there must be a black person on the jury of any black person's trial? By constitutional force?

So that's what they think "peers" means? Their appearance? If they're going to try me, then there must be guys with beards on the jury? What kind of jackassery is this?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (39g3+)

59
The big, and I mean big, thing right now in Japan are burrito machines.

That's just fucked up, if you ask me.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (XgPhs)

60 Every day, I wake up in house built by mexicans.

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (QM5S2)

61 I gotta get a bigger Trump Lawn Sign.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (Ozsfq)

62
Personal burrito machines. Like coffee makers, I guess.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:32 PM (XgPhs)

63
Raging Bull star Theresa Saldana who also starred on TV's The Commish and was stabbed 10 times by a deranged fan in the 1980s dies at age 61

========
They dont say what she died of though.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 04:32 PM (iQIUe)

64 52 Sure,THEY get to kiss your ass,I get a visit from a pack of Velociraptors.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:32 PM (B48dK)

65 If Trump is elected will the military need to bounce everyone with a Hispanic surname? Since Trump is building a wall on the Mexican border and their ethnic allegiance would prevent them from faithfully executing his orders as CiC?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 04:32 PM (ktzHq)

66

The whole point of identity politics is to enforce bias

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 04:33 PM (zOTsN)

67 If Trump is elected will the military need to bounce everyone with a Hispanic surname? Since Trump is building a wall on the Mexican border and their ethnic allegiance would prevent them from faithfully executing his orders as CiC?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 04:32 PM (ktzHq)

If The FAB is elected there will be no functioning Military

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:34 PM (Ozsfq)

68 Why does patterico look like a chainsaw murderer with hepatitis?

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 04:34 PM (qUNWi)

69 The whole point of identity politics is to enforce bias
Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 04:33 PM (zOTsN)

exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:34 PM (Ozsfq)

70 I, for one, can't wait for the Dem convention.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:35 PM (1ZOkK)

71
The whole point of identity politics is to enforce bias

And to force people to listen to your attention-whoring bullshit about how different and special you are.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:35 PM (XgPhs)

72 Mark Kirk, senator from Iowa, leaving the republican party to be an independent.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (ClpZf)

He isn't from Iowa, our two Senators are Grassley and Ernst. I think he's from Illinois.

Posted by: pookysgirl at June 07, 2016 04:35 PM (K27gs)

73 Ryan comes to bury Caesar, not to praise him. Third in line, Ryan is the most powerful Republican in the country save for Trump. It burns, Precious, yes, I know, it burns.
Posted by: Jamie at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (9eteO)

Sure sounds like Ryan is running 3rd party doesn't it?

It does to me.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:36 PM (qCMvj)

74 "Mmmm
Tamales!"

I'd already decided on Mexican food tonight. May have to go the tamale route.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 04:36 PM (LA7Cm)

75 The prettiest kitty that has ever lived:

http://tinyurl.com/hq7eg8b

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:36 PM (39g3+)

76 In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge "may and will make a difference in our judging."

That alone should have disqualified her from any bench.

Respect for Law, my ass.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (1CroS)

77 Well yeah, liberals are giant racists and massive hypocrites. We've known that for a while. A lot of the 'conservative' commentariat are showing themselves to be no different, which is unfortunate. Our nominee should be a bit more deft, though. Wasn't he supposed to get buttoned down and start acting Presidential now that he's got to nomination wrapped up? I was promised a charm offensive.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (kumBu)

78 These Republicans who rush to the microphone to denounce Trump after every [initially] dumb-sounding statement are such suckers and morons. Just shut yer cakeholes for a few days and see how things play out. Trump's "gaffes" often turn out to be not so gafftastic in the light of a new day, and anyway they get pushed off the stage by the next gaffe. Didn't these idiots watch the GOP Primaries - hell, some of them were in it, and they still don't get how the Trump News Cycle works.

Posted by: Holdfast at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (Ezaqs)

79 Every day, I wake up in house built by mexicans.
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 07, 2016 04:31 PM (QM5S2)

L.A. is barely recognizable.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (qCMvj)

80 Kitty helps with laundry

https://youtu.be/a4RLs753SLc

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (39g3+)

81 Well yeah, liberals are giant racists and massive hypocrites. We've known that for a while. A lot of the 'conservative' commentariat are showing themselves to be no different, which is unfortunate. Our nominee should be a bit more deft, though. Wasn't he supposed to get buttoned down and start acting Presidential now that he's got to nomination wrapped up? I was promised a charm offensive.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (kumBu)

So what's your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:38 PM (Ozsfq)

82 Trump statement on Trump U case

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/ donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-trump-university

Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case and the Judge's reported associations with certain professional organizations, questions were raised regarding the Obama appointed Judge's impartiality. It is a fair question. I hope it is not the case.

While this lawsuit should have been dismissed, it is now scheduled for trial in November. I do not intend to comment on this matter any further. With all of the thousands of people who have given the courses such high marks and accolades, we will win this case!

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 04:38 PM (7lVbc)

83 Cool Ranch Doritos. For the cultural appropriation

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 04:38 PM (zOTsN)

84 "This month, for example, a video surfaced of Judge Sotomayor asserting
in 2005 that a 'court of appeals is where policy is made.' She then
immediately adds: 'And I know -- I know this is on tape, and I should
never say that because we don't make law. I know. O.K. I know. I'm not
promoting it. I'm not advocating it. I'm -- you know.'"

Then, despite this quite open admission from the nominee herself of being a left-wing judicial activist, the Senate Republicans fell all over themselves to confirm SoSo to a lifetime seat on the nation's highest and most powerful federal court.

Fast forward to the Senate Republican brain trust wondering why they are in such bad odor with the base. It must be because the base are a bunch of ignorant racists! Yes, that's it. No other possibility could obtain.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 04:38 PM (noWW6)

85 When Alex the Chick is finally Empress of the BoltHole that we are all going to run to after the balloon goes and the Free Shit Army is roaming the land, I'm hoping she empowers Justice Thomas, also a resident survivor, to administer the Code of Hammurabi over all those within the redoubt as well as those without who seek to gain entrance.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 07, 2016 04:38 PM (CS7jF)

86

So Ryan is bashing Trump versus Hillary.
Everyone is bashig Trump versus Hillary.

I guess the violence and Mexican flag waving didn't happen.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (qCMvj)

87 >>where did you get that? He is withdrawing support for trump, but where does it say he is leaving the party...not that I give a shit, just saying...Some State Senator from another State is leaving the party

Kirk is from Illinois and he has un-endorsed Trump but he is still running as a Republican. He's probably still going to lose.

The state senator from Iowa who left the party over Trump is David Johnson.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (/tuJf)

88 70 I, for one, can't wait for the Dem convention.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:35 PM (1ZOkK)

Me either. Mrs. Guevara and I were just talking about that.

Recreate '68 indeed.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (oKE6c)

89 DO NOT BE APPROPRIATING MI COMIDA, GRINGOS!! Eat your potatoes you Irish bastages!!

Posted by: Señor Haven Montana at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (BRgcl)

90 Just shut yer cakeholes for a few days and see how things play out.

Yeah exactly.

The problem is, every time Trump says anything, 5000 reporters stampede to the nearest Republican and shove a mic in his face, demanding to know what he thinks about the latest pronouncement.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (39g3+)

91 Well, if any good comes out of this, it'll be exposing the Mexican KKK-aka-La Raza to the general public.

Posted by: Iblis at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (9221z)

92

Trump shut the door on this topic.

Let's see what the GOP does.

Such creeps.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (qCMvj)

93
Far too many people on the Right failed to say a word
--------------------
About so many damned things.

I remember FIRE trying once for some obvious concession, something where the demonstrated the insanity of a policy by doing a stunt that reversed the races, and shrugging, "Of course the RNC won't help us one bit."

And think of the ways in which corporate America has **melted** in the face of the slightest hint from those shakedown artists from every corner of the left -- race, nutrition, ecigs, gender -- always fainting when some loudmouth minority (whom even minorities say doesn't speak for them) or some .00001% identity group hisses "Bias!" Always ruining it for the rest of us because some manipulative, hateful, agendized shit might call them a name -- as if they ever do anything else.

No, I've had it with these institutions. I'm sick of being stuffed under a bus so these nasty shits won't feel excluded on account of my mere presence in the open air.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (pC96u)

94 Kirk is from Illinois and he has un-endorsed Trump but he is still running as a Republican. He's probably still going to lose.

The state senator from Iowa who left the party over Trump is David Johnson.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (/tuJf)

That is what I thought and read but someone said he heard Kirk on MSNBC say he was now an independent? Honestly I don't care one way or the other. Fuck him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (Ozsfq)

95 Is there any way we can use the "cultural appropriation" stigma to get people to stop using Mexican "Day of The Dead" skulls on everything?

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (7HtZB)

96 I know what can fix this - quick, get me a taco bowl and a camera!

Posted by: El Trumpo at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (kumBu)

97 Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 04:28 PM (ClpZf)

He isn't from Iowa, our two Senators are Grassley and Ernst. I think he's from Illinois.
Posted by: pookysgirl at June 07, 2016 04:35 PM (K27gs)

That was the prior posters posting, fyi.

And yes you are correct.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (ClpZf)

98 Once again, Trump generates the conversation where we explore just how f-ed up we have allowed normal modes of thinking to become, in our failure to confront the PC mafia for the last several decades.

And he does so by simply ignoring what the PC gestapo wants, and speaking the way a normal person would have spoken, decades ago. It's easy for him, because it's where he's from, and he never had to be afraid of them.

Go ahead any explain that he does this because he's "flawed", though - it's not in the Overton Window to describe such behavior as "heroic".

Posted by: Optimizer at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (jPHi7)

99 Why no one ever talks about racial inputs affecting legal outputs-- except the left and the media (but I repeat myself), constantly!

Because conservatives are cowards.

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 04:41 PM (RcpcZ)

100 Let's say you're in the office in your cubicle. Your coworker peeks over
the partition and says, "Hey, bro, how 'bout we do Meh-hee-can for
lunch today?"

You say, "Si, senor!"

Now if your Social Justice Whiner (SJW) coworker overhears this,
he/she'll will fuck you in the ass royally with human resources.

Won't work around here. Si Senor is the name of a local Mexican restaurant.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 04:41 PM (YEelc)

101

Bernie takes the heat for the violence from the Dem side.

Convenient, is it not?

It's not "hillary supporters" it's "bernie supporters." BS

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:41 PM (qCMvj)

102 Mark Kirk is a political dead man walking, anyway.

No conceivable statement or stunt will save his RINO rear this fall.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 04:42 PM (noWW6)

103 So Trump is barely ahead..... in Utah?

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:42 PM (O2RFr)

104 Just shut yer cakeholes for a few days and see how things play out.

What? And miss all this pointless spleen-venting and panicked spittle-spray about all the imaginary boogeymen?

Posted by: ZBT at June 07, 2016 04:42 PM (nIGPZ)

105
Ryan and McConnell are both sniveling fuckwits for apologizing for
Trump's racism and groveling before the MSM. There was an important
point to be made here about forcing the Left to live by its own
mythology.

But McConnell and Ryan could never imagine making it. That's why the GOP is DEAD.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 04:20 PM (8ZskC)

Precisely! It's in the same vein as when the idiot governor of Michigan stood up and took full responsibility for the poisoned water in Flint even though Republicans haven't held any office there for half a fucking century.
T.H.I.S is why we lose.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (xESbL)

106 45 "Indeed, President Obama himself has suggested that minority judges like Sotomayor may bring something to the bench that whites can't bring -- "
.....................

Tamales?

Chimichangas.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (LwB8i)

107
The problem is, every time Trump says anything, 5000 reporters stampede to the nearest Republican and shove a mic in his face, demanding to know what he thinks about the latest pronouncement.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (39g3+)
--------------------

That's exactly the problem. Because every single time, the nearest Republican puts on his best Mrs. Grundy face and sadly, solemnly denounces Mr. Trump's very unfortunate statement.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (pC96u)

108
Won't work around here. Si Senor is the name of a local Mexican restaurant.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 04:41 PM (YEelc)

That's racist! The Mexican restaurant should be called "Imperial Jade Garden"

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (7HtZB)

109 Saw on hotgas Ms Lindsey wants Republicans to start disavow Trump.Will South Carolinian's get rid of him please?

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (3wHFl)

110 Pual Ryan decries trump's "textbook racism"...in all his years in Washington which include close interaction with obama, his wife and their coterie, it seems to be the first time mr. ryan discovered "textbook racism". paul ryan is a punk and a coward.

Posted by: runner at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (c6/9Q)

111 we very rarely hear this criticism of judges. it's said all the time about juries, esp. if they're white (zimmerman, et al).

we might think it but wouldn't say it. trump intends to smear the guy off the case (maybe he should go, i don;t know). i think it's a business tactic he developed to attack his competitors and potential adversaries, and after he's won, it's back to business.

i don't think election campaigns are like that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (WTSFk)

112 If Trump wasn't a total fucking retard he could be out there making this argument right now.

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (vaR50)

113 So Trump is barely ahead..... in Utah?
Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:42 PM (O2RFr)

Sometimes I just close my eyes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (qCMvj)

114 Nevergiveup: "I gotta get a bigger Trump Lawn Sign."

Yeah, the ones I received were Standard size. I wanted the Yuge. I settled for an XL shirt.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (1CroS)

115 Is there any way we can use the "cultural appropriation" stigma to get people to stop using Mexican "Day of The Dead" skulls on everything?
Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (7HtZB)
.....................

Yeah, I'm getting tired of looking at those tramp stamps.

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (HgMAr)

116 paul ryan is a punk and a coward.
Posted by: runner at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (c6/9Q)

Always was, Always will be.

To bad THE SHILL is no longer around to defend him.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (Ozsfq)

117 And what the fuck is a Chalupa!?

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (B48dK)

118
By the way, I have a fantasy where I'm on a t.v. show being interviewed by Melissa Harris-Perry and I call her a racist to her face. I keep saying it over and over and she explodes in anger and I keep talking over her, saying filthy racists like her are what's wrong with America, etc.

Same dream with Kirsten Powers, too. She's made those false damn charges of racism but she gets away with it because Fox News doesn't call lemon cupcakes like her racists.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (pC96u)

119 There's a great new Mexican restaurant near us. They make delish tableside guacamole.

All of their food is great, and they make a mean jalapeno margarita.

I made enchiladas last night. Now I want their guac.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (1ZOkK)

120 You say, "Si, senor!"

Now if your Social Justice Whiner (SJW) coworker overhears this,
he/she'll will fuck you in the ass royally with human resources.

Won't work around here. Si Senor is the name of a local Mexican restaurant.

Same here. International corporation.

Gringo was practicing his espanol.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (LwB8i)

121 113 If Trump wasn't a total fucking retard he could be out there making this argument right now.

I don't think He's capable...Everything he says seems to turn to crap..... Sew His friggin mouth shut!

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (O2RFr)

122 113 If Trump wasn't a total fucking retard he could be out there making this argument right now.
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (vaR50)

See his press release. I think his lawyers told him to shut up.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (7lVbc)

123 >>>[[[[Chris Coon]]]]

What do the 4 sets of brackets around his name mean? I saw the app that came and went that would put 3 sets of parenthesis around all the scary jooo names, but I must have missed who the brackets people are.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (R+30W)

124 "So what's your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:38 PM (Ozsfq) "

No point. Just waiting for the Trump General Election Death Star I was promised. In a twist no one could predict, not even M. Night Shaymalamayalamana, it's just been more of the same from the man with the best brain and the best words.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (kumBu)

125 Posted by: Mark1971 at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (vaR50)

Another positive contributor only interested in our well being...

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (Ozsfq)

126 See his press release. I think his lawyers told him to shut up.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (7lVbc)

Too late, as usual.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (wB8Tg)

127 No point. Just waiting for the Trump General Election Death Star I was promised. In a twist no one could predict, not even M. Night Shaymalamayalamana, it's just been more of the same from the man with the best brain and the best words.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (kumBu)

So basically your just here to shit all over the place? That is what I figured

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (Ozsfq)

128 And what the fuck is a Chalupa!?

Don't know but you had better drop it.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (LwB8i)

129 3 When Sotomayor was up for confirmation, I remember reading some ridiculous twaddle about how her experience raising babies and making tamales brought something important to the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court.

Seriously. Because constitutional law is all about tamale-making and baby raising.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 04:17 PM
-------------------------------------
Well, that is odd since, AFAIK, she has never had a baby or raised one. Also, being Puerto Rican, not Mexican, she wouldn't have a clue how to make a tamale.

But yeah, she claimed all that "wise Latina" and "empathy" crap. She should have been tossed out on her ear for it, but.......GOPe.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (T/5A0)

130
If Trump wasn't a total fucking retard he could be out there making this argument right now.
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 07, 2016 04:44 PM (vaR50)
----------------------

At least it's being made, if by other people. Too bad he's such a fucking retard, however.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (pC96u)

131 Let's say you're in the office in your cubicle.
Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:29 PM (XgPhs)

A friend works in an office in SanFran where every single time a person goes to the restroom, they have to put up a sign if they are a male or female going into the said bathroom. Keep in mind there are TWO bathrooms, one for females, and one for males, but now they have to make it known - I sh*t you not - what you think you are when you go in there.

He's taken pictures of the "signs" because no one believes him.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (qCMvj)

132 "... i don't think election campaigns are like that..."

actually, maybe they are. it worked in the primaries.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (WTSFk)

133 >>
Tamales?

Chimichangas.

Flautas, FTW!

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (I8Bd1)

134 119

By the way, I have a fantasy where I'm on a t.v. show being
interviewed by Melissa Harris-Perry and I call her a racist to her face.
I keep saying it over and over and she explodes in anger and I keep
talking over her, saying filthy racists like her are what's wrong with
America, etc.

Same dream with Kirsten Powers, too. She's made those false damn
charges of racism but she gets away with it because Fox News doesn't
call lemon cupcakes like her racists.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (pC96u)

Will you please have that dream with Leonard Pitts and make it come true? He hates white people with a passion. How he continues to be carried in papers is a mystery.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (1ZOkK)

135 >>>>>99 Once again, Trump generates the conversation where we explore just how f-ed up we have allowed normal modes of thinking to become, in our failure to confront the PC mafia for the last several decades.

And he does so by simply ignoring what the PC gestapo wants, and speaking the way a normal person would have spoken, decades ago. It's easy for him, because it's where he's from, and he never had to be afraid of them.

Go ahead any explain that he does this because he's "flawed", though - it's not in the Overton Window to describe such behavior as "heroic".
Posted by: Optimizer at June 07, 2016 04:40 PM (jPHi7)

My only complaint is that I don't really know how productive this ultimately will be since it's not like the media is taking a break from shouting Trumps a Racist! for some introspection.

It's just us having this conversation, and even NeverTrumpers on Twitter aren't much interested in examining the hypocrisy of it all. It'd be nice if Trump could grab the microphone and a camera and clearly lay this all out as if he was playing rope-a-dope with rhetorical stinkbombs the last few days, but would it ultimately matter? If the anti-Trump right isn't going to give it a fair hearing, who exactly will - the left?

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (s9KBB)

136 But yeah, she claimed all that "wise Latina" and "empathy" crap. She should have been tossed out on her ear for it, but.......GOPe.

Can't wait to see the new crop Hillary is gonna nominate..

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:48 PM (O2RFr)

137
These Republicans who rush to the microphone to denounce Trump after every [initially] dumb-sounding statement are such suckers and morons. Just shut yer cakeholes for a few days and see how things play out.
-------------------

But -- MICROPHONE!!!!

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:48 PM (pC96u)

138 Trump is finished!

Posted by: Iteration #14,629 at June 07, 2016 04:48 PM (ZKlDy)

139 Saw on hotgas Ms Lindsey wants Republicans to start disavow Trump.Will South Carolinian's get rid of him please?
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 04:43 PM (3wHFl)
...........

It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 04:48 PM (HgMAr)

140 Skip: "Saw on hotgas Ms Lindsey wants Republicans to start disavow Trump."

And the consequence? Trump's favorables will shoot up another few points.

Or Graham's voice gets overwhelmed by a mouse fart.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 07, 2016 04:48 PM (1CroS)

141 134 >>
Tamales?

Chimichangas.

Flautas, FTW!
Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 04:47 PM (I8Bd1)

And Gorditas kicks the point after

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:49 PM (7HtZB)

142 In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge "may and will make a difference in our judging."

That alone should have disqualified her from any bench.

Respect for Law, my ass.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 07, 2016 04:37 PM (1CroS)

Can you imagine the uproar if a white judge said that?

Fuck those scum.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 04:49 PM (ClpZf)

143 But yeah, she claimed all that "wise Latina" and "empathy" crap.

By the way, a truly wise person would never be caught dead proclaiming themselves "wise".
Something to do with humility, I think.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 07, 2016 04:49 PM (xESbL)

144 "it's just been more of the same from the man with the best brain and the best words."

And best people.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 04:49 PM (ktzHq)

145 Can't wait to see the new crop Hillary is gonna nominate..
Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:48 PM (O2RFr)

Crop? Sp?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (oKE6c)

146 A state court on Tuesday ruled that New Jersey acted properly when it approved a bid by the New Jersey largest insurer to divide hospitals and doctors into a two-tiered health plan, dismissing arguments by 10 of the second-tier hospitals that the plan would disrupt the continuity of care between patients and medical providers.

Fredocare and the Courts are ruining health care in America...Hell I don't have that many more years anyway. Feel sorry for my kids

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (Ozsfq)

147 >>And what the fuck is a Chalupa!?

It's nothing like a Gordita. Which is like a savory Sopapilla.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (I8Bd1)

148
I don't really know how productive this ultimately will be
----------------------

Be interesting to see what happens if he gets elected.

Does the executive have the power to get affirmative action out of federal employment and contracting? Or to at least get the ball rolling?

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (pC96u)

149 Same dream with Kirsten Powers, too. She's made those false damn
charges of racism but she gets away with it because Fox News doesn't
call lemon cupcakes like her racists.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (pC96u)

____

I have dreams about Kristen Powers too. But they're a little different. IYKNWIAITYD

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (0LHZx)

150
The state senator from Iowa who left the party over Trump is David Johnson.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (/tuJf)

Vid Johnson said that? Wow.......

He's got the five counties outside of the two most Republican in the state and he's usually considered to be conservative. But, he's not a farmer, and he seems to have fallen in with the CoC types. I'm going to have to call my mom now, the local radio's going to have a field day with this.....

Posted by: pookysgirl at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (K27gs)

151 Ace, you are completely, utterly correct.

Which is why I am so reluctant to vote for Trump. He is a liberal. He engages in identity politics too (only his version is white identity politics). If I hate identity politics and find them destructive, why would I vote for the "white peoples'" version of them?

I don't understand how the solution to the cancer that is identity politics is MORE identity politics. Trump has exposed the left's hypocrisy, but this won't change anything. Everyone will only get more entrenched in this destructive tribalism.

I know it's pie-in-the-sky idealism on my part to hope for a candidate and party that rejects all this nonsense (and successfully persuades the general public that it needs to be rejected), but I'm not holding my breath.

The idea that it is not only right but necessary to put one's tribal identity/political opinion on hold when it comes to rendering justice (whether as a judge or on a jury) is just "crazy talk" these days. Yes, such impartiality is hard, but we should demand it of everyone, not make excuses for minority judges like Sotomayer to bring their "wise Latina" ways to the bench. The GOP should have fought tooth and nail against her nomination, but they didn't have the balls.

Posted by: FeelThePaine at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (sIJdM)

152 By the way, a truly wise person would never be caught dead proclaiming themselves "wise".
Something to do with humility, I think.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 07, 2016 04:49 PM (xESbL)
Ahem.

Posted by: Dunning and Kruger at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (oKE6c)

153 "So basically your just here to shit all over the place? That is what I figured

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:46 PM (Ozsfq) "

Sorry, I'll take my yellow card for not being sufficiently pro-Trump. We can't all be heroic saviors of the country like you, NGU, changing hearts and minds for our Orange Messiah.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (kumBu)

154 Same dream with Kirsten Powers, too. She's made those false damn charges of racism but she gets away with it because Fox News doesn't call lemon cupcakes like her racists.
Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (pC96u)

some witch on Fox News, about 20-30 mins ago called Ryan a racist at one point

lol

and she smirked
she knew exactly what she was doing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (qCMvj)

155 "At least it's being made, if by other people."

Preached to the death row converts in the choir on right leaning websites?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (ktzHq)

156
I don't think He's capable...Everything he says seems to turn to crap..... Sew His friggin mouth shut!

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (O2RFr)

My husband is a Trump supporter, and Trump's mouth is driving him crazy. As I said in the thread below The Donald comes across as having the emotional maturity of a 12 year old on the playground. "You're a loser!!"

Ugh. SHUT UP!!!!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (1ZOkK)

157 By the way, a truly wise person would never be caught dead proclaiming themselves "wise".
Something to do with humility, I think.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 07, 2016 04:49 PM (xESbL)
Maybe she was referring to someone else. That would make more sense, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (oKE6c)

158 Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 04:52 PM (iQIUe)

159 Sorry, I'll take my yellow card for not being sufficiently pro-Trump. We can't all be heroic saviors of the country like you, NGU, changing hearts and minds for our Orange Messiah.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (kumBu)

So your actively working to get The FAB elected.. Very heroic of you.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:52 PM (Ozsfq)

160 If Trump takes a folding chair to Hillary and a 2x4 to Lindsey Graham, he's got my vote.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 04:52 PM (BRgcl)

161 122 113 If Trump wasn't a total fucking retard he could be out there making this argument right now.

I don't think He's capable...Everything he says seems to turn to crap..... Sew His friggin mouth shut!

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:45 PM (O2RFr)

It started with "build a wall" and went downhill from there.

It's pretty clear why he couldn't win the nomination.

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 04:52 PM (RcpcZ)

162 The problem is, every time Trump says anything, 5000 reporters stampede to the nearest Republican and shove a mic in his face, demanding to know what he thinks about the latest pronouncement.

Yup, and they just HAVE to play the MSM's game, instead of just muttering something about having left the stove on and walking away.

This is why the MSM got Trump nominated, but it could still backfire on them if the rest of the GOP could grow a brain and at least one testicle. So, not gonna happen.

Posted by: Holdfast at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (Ezaqs)

163 Jesus the trolls are out in force this afternoon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (Ozsfq)

164 It's pretty clear why he couldn't win the nomination.

Change that to "shouldn't"

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (O2RFr)

165 I used to have those dreams about Kirsten, too. Until I found out she used to date Weiner.

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (HgMAr)

166 "Posted by: FeelThePaine at June 07, 2016 04:50 PM (sIJdM) "

Make sure you get your authorization from NGU to 'shit the place up' by not being in the tank for Trump. It's not just a good idea - it's the law.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (kumBu)

167 "paul ryan is a punk and a coward."

Really now. The language is just getting more and more intemperate.

We need to resist falling into the trap of infighting. As a lifelong Republican conservative, I want to point out the superb job which Speaker Ryan has been doing in the face of tremendous difficulties. It's not easy overcoming a fractious caucus to deliver a steady stream of Key Conservative Victories.

All of us need to recognize that fact and give Speaker Ryan the respect and accolades that he so truly and deeply deserves.

Posted by: Sue Harper In Lower Lima at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (noWW6)

168 >>Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?

Yes.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (/tuJf)

169
That's exactly the problem. Because every single time, the nearest Republican puts on his best Mrs. Grundy face and sadly, solemnly denounces Mr. Trump's very unfortunate statement.

The proper response is "I don't know enough about that to comment, and begging your pardon, I'm not going to take your word for how things went."

The next day, you say "I'd rather talk about how Hillary Clinton violated federal law over and over with her email servers"

The next, you say "why aren't you asking Chelsea Clinton about how she feels about how her dad treats women?"

The next ask "why don't you ask Hillary Clinton why she keeps trying to stop minorities from reaching the White House?"

Never answer the question they want. Always go on the offensive and focus on what you want them to talk about instead. They are your enemy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)

170 Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?

One word: Lame.

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (RcpcZ)

171 10 minutes ago we were talking about getting some Mexican food. What the hell happened?

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (7HtZB)

172 160 Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 04:52 PM (iQIUe)

++++

Excellent movie. I highly recommend.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (R+30W)

173 Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?

I don't remember the plot so I can tell you it's not very memorable.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (qUNWi)

174 174 10 minutes ago we were talking about getting some Mexican food. What the hell happened?

Trump

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (O2RFr)

175 Eiger Sanction is good. George Kennedy is the Ernest Borgnine of Brian Dennehys.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (BRgcl)

176 The proper response is "I don't know enough about that to comment, and begging your pardon, I'm not going to take your word for how things went."

The next day, you say "I'd rather talk about how Hillary Clinton violated federal law over and over with her email servers"

The next, you say "why aren't you asking Chelsea Clinton about how she feels about how her dad treats women?"

The next ask "why don't you ask Hillary Clinton why she keeps trying to stop minorities from reaching the White House?"

Never answer the question they want. Always go on the offensive and focus on what you want them to talk about instead. They are your enemy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)

This.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (oKE6c)

177 The gay marriage ruling was 5-4, not 6-3. Roberts held the line, even thought it was speculated that he might join the majority to ensure a narrower ruling that was more deferential to the concerns of supporters of traditional marriage.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at June 07, 2016 04:55 PM (xN1DB)

178
The phones are probably ringing off the hook for all these Republican lawmakers by callers claiming to be lifelong Republicans but cannot stomach Trump.

The only people who believe all the lies told by the Left, be it global warming or about deporting foreign invaders or shutting down the government, are Republicans.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 04:55 PM (XgPhs)

179 >>And what the fuck is a Chalupa!?
................

A Mexican with a canker sore?

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 04:55 PM (HgMAr)

180 By the way, a truly wise person would never be caught dead proclaiming themselves "wise".
Something to do with humility, I think.

Something to do with knowing karma will ass rape you five minutes after saying it.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 04:56 PM (LwB8i)

181 10 minutes ago we were talking about getting some Mexican food. What the hell happened?

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (7HtZB)

Trump!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 07, 2016 04:56 PM (wB8Tg)

182 >>And what the fuck is a Chalupa!?

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Isn't that a deep-fried burrito?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:56 PM (1ZOkK)

183

so this is the news from now until election day

first woman potus candidate

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (qCMvj)

184 I got Trumped by Donna!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (wB8Tg)

185 169 It's not easy overcoming a fractious caucus to deliver a steady stream of Key Conservative Victories.

Posted by: Sue Harper In Lower Lima
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Laughed hard. Thanks.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (xN1DB)

186 72 Mark Kirk, senator from Iowa, leaving the republican party to be an independent.

I thought Kirk was from Illinois (and he is), but the banner that was on MSNBC when he was talking said Iowa.

I guess they had to throw it up pretty fast too.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (Zs4uk)

187 George Kennedy is the Ernest Borgnine of Brian Dennehys.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 04:54 PM (BRgcl)

And that's why I keep hitting F5 like a monkey in a crack experiment.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (7HtZB)

188 I just have to wonder if Trump has any advisers or does He just ignore them?

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (O2RFr)

189

He said he didn't "intend" to talk about it again

Don't you know lawyer speak

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (zOTsN)

190 186

so this is the news from now until election day

first woman potus candidate

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (qCMvj)

Yep. It's going to be All Vagina All The Time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (1ZOkK)

191 Never answer the question they want. Always go on the offensive and focus on what you want them to talk about instead. They are your enemy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)

Always trash Hillary.
That is why we know they don't care if she wins.
They just won't.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (qCMvj)

192 WOO-WOO

Posted by: Trump Train at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (10hEu)

193 so this is the news from now until election day

first woman potus candidate

That and Trump.... RACIST!

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (O2RFr)

194 A chalupa is a flat taco.

Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (9nt94)

195 "So your actively working to get The FAB elected.. Very heroic of you.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:52 PM (Ozsfq) "

I would encourage everyone I know to vote 3rd party or stay home. In your simplistic calculus, I suppose that is 'working to get [Hillary] elected,' even though I'd rather fuck a bear trap than vote for Hillary. Keep your fever dreams that a Trump victory can actually turn this mess around. I'm going to work as hard as I can for my friends and family, and if there's anything left, I'll work for my community. I'm not going to campaign for a con artist no matter how many people supposedly on 'my side' he manages to rook.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (kumBu)

196 Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?
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Two words: albino Nazi.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (jR7Wy)

197 I just have to wonder if Trump has any advisers or does He just ignore them?
Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (O2RFr)

Probably a combination of both.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (Ozsfq)

198
Mark Kirk, senator from Iowa, leaving the republican party to be an independent.

I thought Kirk was from Illinois (and he is), but the banner that was on MSNBC when he was talking said Iowa.
-------------------

Illinois, Iowa -- this is MSNBC we're dealing with, where George Wallace was Republican and Evelyn Waugh was a female writer.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (pC96u)

199 Maybe she was referring to someone else. That would make more sense, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (oKE6c)

Only if with her next breath she withdrew her candidacy, saying that 'clearly she was not that wise one'.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (xESbL)

200 I just have to wonder if Trump has any advisers or does He just ignore them?

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (O2RFr)

He has very few. And he fires them frequently.

Which is why !Jeb walked all over him in the debates.

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (RcpcZ)

201 "He just called in to MSNBC and was interviewed. "

That's who all principled conservatives call for their self-promotional stunts.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (/JWIn)

202 By the way, a truly wise person would never be caught dead proclaiming themselves "wise".

The first sign of wisdom is recognizing what a fool you are. As soon as you claim wisdom, that's when you'll do something idiotic and prove yourself the fool.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (39g3+)

203 Good examples, C. Taylor. A friend and I just this morning were talking about how much worse the GOP has become, even in recent times, about, well, politics.

Absolute child's play to turn any topic, for example the idiotic judge crap now dominating the idiot marinade, er, "news".

You segue right into the lawlessness of the courts, the broken constitutional system, judges legislating for the country on areas far outside their authority and expertise, and oh yeah it is outrageously unacceptable for a judge at any level to have any affiliation with an organization involved in systematically assisting law-breakers.

And then of course finish with nuclear swipes at the Third World corruption, psychotic mendacity, and intellectual unfitness of Hillary for any public office.

But instead, you have what you're seeing/hearing.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (QDnY+)

204 10 minutes ago we were talking about getting some Mexican food. What the hell happened?

I had bacon, egg & cheese taquitos for breakfast, a chicken chimichanga for lunch, and beef soft tacos are for dinner. I really don't need to talk about it.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (LwB8i)

205 197
A chalupa is a flat taco.

I thought a tostada is a flat taco?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (1ZOkK)

206 RIP Theresa Saldana.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (qUNWi)

207 Heh, funny. For my PhD level cultural competency class, I choose to write a paper in the unfair treatment of Stephan Carter, Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas.

Mind you this was 2010, so you know, I haven't been thinking about this forever.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (tM4uk)

208 200 Maybe she was referring to someone else. That would make more sense, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 04:51 PM (oKE6c)
Only if with her next breath she withdrew her candidacy, saying that 'clearly she was not that wise one'.
Posted by: LGoPs at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (xESbL)

Or she said, "We need a wise Latina. I'll help you guys look for one."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (oKE6c)

209 I would encourage everyone I know to vote 3rd party or stay home. In your simplistic calculus, I suppose that is 'working to get [Hillary] elected,' even though I'd rather fuck a bear trap than vote for Hillary. Keep your fever dreams that a Trump victory can actually turn this mess around. I'm going to work as hard as I can for my friends and family, and if there's anything left, I'll work for my community. I'm not going to campaign for a con artist no matter how many people supposedly on 'my side' he manages to rook.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (kumBu)

Only in fantasy land is staying home or voting 3rd party not helping The FAB...But keep denying your helping her. And all I ever see you do is go after trump, never her. I'm upfront about who I am supporting and why.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (Ozsfq)

210
Yep. It's going to be All Vagina All The Time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (1ZOkK)
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HIstoric
HIllary

The graphics design themselves.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (pC96u)

211 so this is the news from now until election day

first woman potus candidate

That and Trump.... RACIST!
Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (O2RFr)

That and Trump... DANGEROUS!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (qCMvj)

212 Many of you ... like Ace ... will skip over this. That's cool. But please do me a favor. Save it ... so I can say I Told You So.

What's dying is, as Milton Friedman called it best, Classical Liberalism. Well, that shit's down the tubes.

Pick a tribe, or get run over. Simple as that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (jeefx)

213 Meanwhile you can get really REALLY good blueberries these days

http://tinyurl.com/z5ejjpv

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:01 PM (39g3+)

214 We need to resist falling into the trap of infighting. As a lifelong Republican conservative, I want to point out the superb job which Speaker Ryan has been doing in the face of tremendous difficulties. It's not easy overcoming a fractious caucus to deliver a steady stream of Key Conservative Victories.

All of us need to recognize that fact and give Speaker Ryan the respect and accolades that he so truly and deeply deserves.
Posted by: Sue Harper In Lower Lima at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (noWW6)

I Lol'd.

Begonia lives!!!!

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 05:01 PM (ClpZf)

215 "Jesus the trolls are out in force this afternoon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:53 PM (Ozsfq) "

Been posting for years. Sorry, not everyone who hasn't yet capitulated to the co-opting of our party by Duh Donald is a 'troll.'

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:01 PM (kumBu)

216 Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 04:59 PM (QDnY+)

Rhomboid 2016.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 05:01 PM (oKE6c)

217 "Is the movie The Eiger Sanction any good?"

Eastwood's in it. By definition it's good.

Actually, though, it's a good movie. It's not up to the first Dirty Harry or a Spaghetti Western, but it's stylistically Eastwood.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 07, 2016 05:01 PM (1CroS)

218 >>A chalupa is a flat taco.

How the fuck do you eat that?

And don't say, fold it up like a taco!

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM (I8Bd1)

219 There's always 2020...24,28,32....

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM (O2RFr)

220 Your Michael Medved update: (two minutes on the car radio on the way back from the range)

It would cost $400B to remove 30M illegal aliens. The wall cannot be built.

Isn't Pacifica Radio dead or something? Thing is, Medved has reached the point where he is as idiotic as a typical Pacifica talk show host of yore, yet far less entertaining. Sometimes their producers would do a shitty job and bring on expert guests who would - usually politely and sheepishly - nuke the hosts' moronic assumptions, leading to hilarious dead air followed by mumbling and back-tracking.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM (QDnY+)

221 Isn't the Eiger Sanction where Brian Dennehy plays an alp?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM (1ZOkK)

222 Been posting for years. Sorry, not everyone who hasn't yet capitulated to the co-opting of our party by Duh Donald is a 'troll.'
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:01 PM (kumBu)

actually i was not talking about you, your just delusional and dishonest about who you support. I was talking about the posters whom I have never seen before and do drive by posts...but nice try

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (Ozsfq)

223 his "Thomas pulls the ladders up from other blacks (which most black judges don't do)" critique is of course not original to Dowd -- nothing is original to this tired, sad hag. It's standard issue liberal cant.
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Oh c"A"nt. Didn't read that as an "a' at first. Understandable mistake, talking about Maureen Dowd and all.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (6n332)

224 Heh, funny. For my PhD level cultural competency class, I choose to write a paper in the unfair treatment of Stephan Carter, Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas.

Mind you this was 2010, so you know, I haven't been thinking about this forever.

...
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (tM4uk)

So....are you some kind of PhD?

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (qUNWi)

225 The party was shit

Long before Trump arrived

He's reanimated the corpse

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (zOTsN)

226 Absolute child's play to turn any topic, for example the idiotic judge crap now dominating the idiot marinade, er, "news".

That's just it. Nothing I posted was genius, its pretty stupid and simple. The left has gotten so lazy and blatant its like batting practice out there, but the GOP is standing with the bat on their shoulder waiting for a ball to accidentally hit it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (39g3+)

227 It seems the person doing the most to get Hillary elected at this juncture is Trump.

He should take a vacation and do nothing but private fundraisers until the convention.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (ktzHq)

228 A chalupa is a flat taco.
...............

I like 'em with the small tittehs, too.

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (HgMAr)

229 artisanal 'ette says, Sure sounds like Ryan is running 3rd party doesn't it?
It does to me.
...

It sounds like Ryan is running Ryan Party to me. In times like these, who better than a strong man with a hard jaw and a ready twinkle in his blue eyes to recreate the Republican Party with the new Ryan Fusion Conservative Principles it has long been awaiting whether it knew it or not? After all, Ryan sounds exactly like Reagan if you consider both start with "Rrr" and end with "an".

Posted by: Jamie at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (9eteO)

230 The party was shit

Long before Trump arrived

He's reanimated the corpse
Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (zOTsN)

and added humor
I find myself laughing a lot at Trump

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (qCMvj)

231 Yep. It's going to be All Vagina All The Time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (1ZOkK)
---
It's the Vagapocalypse!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (jR7Wy)

232 Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (qUNWi)

SSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNN

And there will be much rejoicing in the kingdom, and probably a drunken party in the ONT.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (tM4uk)

233 I love tostadas.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (CFc5L)

234
"Being gluten intolerant means your entitled to tell restaurant wait staff about the offensive things that happen you if you eat gluten. Because they're not gluten-free, they're obligated by law to listen."

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (XgPhs)

235 Speaking of Elizabeth Pena, I watched Jacobs Ladder for free on YouTube and was very disappointed in her boobehs. She looked good in clothes though.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (BRgcl)

236
There's always 2020...24,28,32....
Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM (O2RFr)
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You're giving up on a decent conservative (or patriotic) president in 2016, even if Trump is elected?

Take heart. He'll be a much better president than he is a candidate. (He would have to be.)

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (pC96u)

237 "standard issue liberal cant."

Prefacing that line by talking about Maureen Dowd, I read it quite differently.

Posted by: Mo Neitherregion at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (lk8gW)

238 A chalupa is a flat taco.

What is Rachel Corrie in a tortilla?

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (qUNWi)

239 It's the Vagapocalypse!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (jR7Wy)

lol

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (1ZOkK)

240 >>A chalupa is a flat taco.

How the fuck do you eat that?

And don't say, fold it up like a taco!

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM (I8Bd1)
..................

No, roll it up like a burrito.

Posted by: wth at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (HgMAr)

241 I thought a tostada is a flat taco?

A tostada is the giant corn chip on which the chalupa is constructed.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (ktzHq)

242 Now some conservatives will claim that they agree with the above-going complaints.

But okay -- then why didn't you say so?

Because these quotes were insanely easy to find.

If you had any interest at all in attacking both Trump and the liberal race-based worldview he seems to espouse, you could have done so.

But you didn't.

Many of us have been pointing out this hypocricy for decades, and fighting against it.

Many of us have been physically attacked and called horrid things for daring to stand up and declare that we should treat people as individuals, and that your race does not determine your thoughts.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (vBeA5)

243 I'm so bored I am actually watching a Met's Game

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (Ozsfq)

244 It's the Vagapocalypse!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 05:04 PM (jR7Wy)
I'm working on a movie script with the working title "Vagnado!"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (oKE6c)

245
the GOP is standing with the bat on their shoulder waiting for a ball to accidentally hit it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:03 PM (39g3+)
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Heh.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (pC96u)

246 I thought a tostada is a flat taco?

I swear every place I've been to in Texas uses the words interchangeably. Maybe it just depends on which part of Mexico you are from or a chalupa is part of a tostada platter? There was a comedian who did a routine about working in a Mexican food joint in the Midwest and explaining menu items. Everything thing was meat, beans, cheese, and a tortilla.

Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (9nt94)

247 Illinois, Iowa -- this is MSNBC we're dealing with,
Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (pC96u)

____

At least it wasn't me.

Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (0LHZx)

248 Trump has to give reverence and deference to wise latin-oh judges..or else.

Nevermind the ties to La-Raza..nothing to see there..

Above all else, don't speak out against an activist judiciary.

According to the GOPe, It's far better to live under tyranny than be called a racist.

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (Ffw22)

249 Gawd. Meggie Mac is on The Five.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (1ZOkK)

250 Jay Guevara - "Rhomboid 2016."

After long and prayerful consideration, at a ranch near Paso Robles, I have decided not to run for president.

If nominated, I will not believe it. If elected, I will not serve - but I *will* commandeer some armor and a few Navy vessels to get in some special "range" time.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (QDnY+)

251 I just have to wonder if Trump has any advisers or does He just ignore them?
Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (O2RFr)

In that conference call with supporters the other day someone told him an advisor had told them not to talk about Trump U and the judge.

He asked the name of the advisor, then flat out said ignore that person and go after the judge.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (ClpZf)

252 Many of us have been physically attacked and called horrid things for daring to stand up and declare that we should treat people as individuals, and that your race does not determine your thoughts.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (vBeA5)

Hush hat, he's rolling.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (tM4uk)

253 One thing about the Dems..... they all stand together... The repubs.... not so much...

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (O2RFr)

254 >>That's just it. Nothing I posted was genius, its pretty stupid and simple. The left has gotten so lazy and blatant its like batting practice out there, but the GOP is standing with the bat on their shoulder waiting for a ball to accidentally hit it.

So why has Trump done nothing but double down? Is it the responsibility of every other Republican to clean up after the Orange Mouth?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (/tuJf)

255
247 Illinois, Iowa -- this is MSNBC we're dealing with,
Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 04:58 PM (pC96u)

I hate waiting for the national press to catch up with me.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:07 PM (Zs4uk)

256 I really think a tostada just means the tortilla is fried.

Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2016 05:07 PM (9nt94)

257
Yep. It's going to be All Vagina All The Time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 04:57 PM (1ZOkK)

Hillary has already picked out her inaugural gown.http://tinyurl.com/jq8snut

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 07, 2016 05:08 PM (i2t8l)

258 Shrimp fajitas. Yum.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:08 PM (1ZOkK)

259 I'm working on a movie script with the working title "Vagnado!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 05:05 PM (oKE6c)
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Work in vagina dentata and send an outline to SyFy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 05:08 PM (jR7Wy)

260 Really surprised to see the Nationals on top in the NL East. I didn't think they had the pieces together for it this year. Although the Mets have had some key injuries and Harvey was not performing so I bet they surge now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (39g3+)

261 >>A chalupa is a flat taco.

How the fuck do you eat that?
And don't say, fold it up like a taco!
Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM

First, drop the chalupa.

Posted by: Gidget, the Taco Bell Chihuahua at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (qcIWB)

262 "But keep denying your helping her. And all I ever see you do is go after trump, never her. I'm upfront about who I am supporting and why.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:00 PM (Ozsfq) "

She's a lying crook with the political appeal of SIDS. What more needs to be said? She's not the one being supported by throngs of people that I respected and thought were my ideological confreres. I expect the Democrats to nominate a flaming dumpster fire, and they didn't disappoint.

The entire point is holding our side to a higher standard. I accept that Trump is our candidate, and people like GoK told me that once he had the nomination won, he'd start being more Presidential and that he'd run a competent general election campaign.

Yeah, well, color me un-surprised that it hasn't happened. But yes, if tons of posters here that I like and respect suddenly came out as giant Hillary fans, I'd be trashing Hillary in every other post.

Ace keeps saying it - people won't abide something that wounds their conception of themselves. My conception of 'our side', and thus of myself, has been wounded by this primary.

I'm upfront as well. I'm supporting no one. No 3rd party candidate deserves my vote, either.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (kumBu)

263 Not that you will see this in any MSM or so-called conservative media....

New Florida poll released today.

Trump +1 45/44 over the Beast

And this was taken 6/2 to 6/5, so well after the whole Mexican judge flap.

And the kicker....it's a PPP poll.

Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (0LHZx)

264
Hillary has already picked out her inaugural gown.http://tinyurl.com/jq8snut

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 07, 2016 05:08 PM (i2t8l)

*pours entire contents of bleach bottle into eye sockets*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (1ZOkK)

265 george kennedy is the ernest borgnine of brian dennehys.

that just cracked me up.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (WTSFk)

266 Eiger Sanction has that typical moral equivalence.The US and the Soviets are the same,why the CIA faction they work for is run by a nazi.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (B48dK)

267 Gawd. Meggie Mac is on The Five.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (1ZOkK)

Bag of Hammers had a previous engagement.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (i2t8l)

268 256 I really think a tostada just means the tortilla is fried.
Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2016 05:07 PM (9nt94)

It is a flat fried tortilla, topped with meat, refried beans, lettuce, tomato, cheese, and whatever. Salad dressing and or salsa on top.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (CFc5L)

269 254 Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (/tuJf)

How many times in the last eight years did I have to defend Juan Queeg's economic bondafides or Mitt Romney's 47% bullshit?

Defending the political grouping you are allied with is why they are called "parties."

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (g8Hfr)

270 Work in vagina dentata and send an outline to SyFy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 05:08 PM (jR7Wy)
Leave Chelsea out of this.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (oKE6c)

271 "Yeah exactly.

The problem is, every time Trump says anything, 5000 reporters
stampede to the nearest Republican and shove a mic in his face,
demanding to know what he thinks about the latest pronouncement.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 04:39 PM (39g3+)"

My suggestion is that the Republican establishment ought to come up with some kind of boilerplate statement for every Republican office holder to say to the press the next time (and you know there will be a next time) Donald Trump says something that gets the media and the left BIRM all spun up.

They should all say something like "Golly, did he really say that? I haven't seen it so I am not sure that those were his exact words and I don't want to comment on a hypothetical. Well, I am not a mind reader and Donald Trump does not confide in me. Why don't you ask him yourself exactly what he meant by that."

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (QHgTq)

272 >A chalupa is a flat taco.

Anybody know where I can get a chalupa reversed?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (0+LRx)

273 Bag of Hammers had a previous engagement.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (i2t8l)

So did sack of rocks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (1ZOkK)

274 246 I thought a tostada is a flat taco?

I swear every place I've been to in Texas uses the words interchangeably. Maybe it just depends on which part of Mexico you are from or a chalupa is part of a tostada platter? There was a comedian who did a routine about working in a Mexican food joint in the Midwest and explaining menu items. Everything thing was meat, beans, cheese, and a tortilla.
Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (9nt94)

Jim Gaffigan - All Mexican food is the same.

http://tinyurl.com/gwmb8cu

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (z/Ubi)

275 "260 Really surprised to see the Nationals on top in the NL East. I didn't think they had the pieces together for it this year. Although the Mets have had some key injuries and Harvey was not performing so I bet they surge now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor"

Dusty Baker is a great manager, in the regular season anyway.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (OD2ni)

276 I mean Jack I know the temptation is to think "parties" means we get our Truman Capote on...

but no we are "parties" of like minded people banded together in common cause.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (g8Hfr)

277 Defending the political grouping you are allied with is why they are called "parties."

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (g8Hfr)

Right, but the GOP has proven that it is no longer my party.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 07, 2016 05:11 PM (tM4uk)

278 I'm upfront as well. I'm supporting no one. No 3rd party candidate deserves my vote, either.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (kumBu)

Well that was a much better balanced post. Look not trying to pick a fight, yeah maybe a little to blow off steam, but anyhow it's disappointing you will sit this out, but that's your prerogative.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:11 PM (Ozsfq)

279 >>How many times in the last eight years did I have to defend Juan Queeg's economic bondafides or Mitt Romney's 47% bullshit?

It's a bit different defending policy than it is defending a dumb and to some bigoted statement. Of course you know that.

No, parties are not there to rescue politicians who say dumb things about witches or vagina goalies.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:11 PM (/tuJf)

280 Hillary has already picked out her inaugural gown.http://tinyurl.com/jq8snut

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 07, 2016 05:08 PM (i2t8l)

Sick, but friggin' funny.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 05:12 PM (CFc5L)

281 Cubans don't like Mexicans.

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:12 PM (zOTsN)

282 Dusty Baker is a great manager, in the regular season anyway.

I dunno, he destroys pitchers and favors older players over young prospects. Okay for one year but after that?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:12 PM (39g3+)

283 the GOP is standing with the bat on their shoulder waiting for a buffalo to accidentally hit it."

There, FIF morning art thread...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:12 PM (C9pBZ)

284 262 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:09 PM (kumBu)

Well fuck where was this "destruction of the conceptualization of selves" the last seven goddamned cycles?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:13 PM (g8Hfr)

285 All I can do is trust in Trump to do the right thing about this judge controversy.

If he's the person I hope he is, he'll attack, attack and attack.

Turn the tables. Make that case that the very act of being a democrat is racist.

Never let up for a second.

And hope that at some point, the other people in the party and the right leaning writers and other media people will find their respective balls and join in the righteous fight.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:13 PM (Zs4uk)

286 Cubans don't like Mexicans.
Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:12 PM (zOTsN)

there are so many things I could say, some even funny, but I then i would be called a racist? LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:13 PM (Ozsfq)

287 "One thing about the Dems..... they all stand together... The repubs.... not so much...

Posted by: donna at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (O2RFr) "

Eh, they don't always - look at the Bernie Bros vs. Hilldog. Even in 2008, they had the PUMA people. But they have the media to cover for them, so their own internecine warfare never really does much damage. If a Democrat says or does something dumb, you rarely get every other Democrat in office getting ambushed by the press. But a guy like Akin puts his foot in his mouth, and even the GOP pages and staffers have to answer for it.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:13 PM (kumBu)

288 Cubans really look down their noses at Mexicans. Q

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:14 PM (zOTsN)

289 279 Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:11 PM (/tuJf)

Trump pointed out an inherent conflict of interest in the judge being a member and donator of the group bringing the suit.

He also pointed out the Judge is a member of Ein Volk....

that is while a lamentable state of affairs not a "step on my own dick" in the vein of 47%....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:14 PM (g8Hfr)

290
Is it the responsibility of every other Republican to clean up after the Orange Mouth?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (/tuJf)
-------------------

Yes.

It was our responsibility to drag Pappy Milktoast and Pastor Goodhair across the finish line in 2008 and 2012.

The Enscrewening is constant.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (pC96u)

291 218 >>A chalupa is a flat taco.

How the fuck do you eat that?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:02 PM

As a 12-pack.

Posted by: Trigglypuff at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (qcIWB)

292 I don't think Trump is at all a racist but If you can play a 'who said it ' game and have the choices be Donald Trump or David Duke , there may be a problem with your language.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (ktOIC)

293 It's Hillary Hagiography Day, I guess.

I'm going to start drinking. Then I'm converting everything I can to cash. Then I'm moving to someplace Galt's Gulch like. Watching the Progressives destroy a wonderful country just sucks big time.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (/m8T6)

294 Cubans don't like Mexicans.
................

And they don't even live next door.

Posted by: Guatemalans at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (HgMAr)

295 False accosations of racism are the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (Nwg0u)

296 Dusty is a good guy.

Used to fish up here every year.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (I8Bd1)

297 "Eh, they don't always - look at the Bernie Bros vs. Hilldog. Even in 2008, they had the PUMA people."

The PUMA thing was a farce. It was basically two loud gay guys from Chicago. Everyone else fell in line. As will the Bernie Bros.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (OD2ni)

298 If he's the person I hope he is, he'll attack, attack and attack.

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I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but why change now? I don't know if it can work all the way to the win in November, but ride the style that got you here I guess.

Posted by: SH at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (gmeXX)

299 290 Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:15 PM (pC96u)

Indeed, we didn't point out the donks were the party of Kermit Gosnell as a reply to Tard Akin....

boy that sure helped us out.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:16 PM (g8Hfr)

300 " It would also help if he stopped spending time attacking other Republicans. Gosh, maybe he could do some fundraising since he's decided not to self-fund after all.
Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 04:18 PM (8048L)

But other, and I use the term loosely, Republicans are allowed to attack him without any fear of retaliation? What are those democratic rules? And of course you will donate to him right, since you are so worried about fund raising?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 04:19 PM (Ozsfq)"

Keep in mind that Mr. Trump is very thin-skinned. What someone else might term mild criticism of a strategy he often perceives as a horrible personal attack. This point is not debatable. He is thin-skinned.

If another Republican attacks him, he might try brushing it off in a way that suggests the criticism/attack isn't right, isn't important, and should be ignored. For example, if he disagrees with something Lindsey Graham says about him, maybe try saying "I don't agree with his viewpoint. Gosh, he's very excitable isn't he? Next question?"

Regarding the fund-raising. No, I haven't donated and don't intend to. He said he was self-funding. He also has a large group of very dedicated supporters. I expect them to max out their contributions in the primary and then again once he gets the nomination. My concern about the fund-raising is that he didn't do enough (in my opinion) to build out a strong campaign infrastructure and is going to dump it all on the RNC to do. That's going to hurt candidates down-ticket.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:17 PM (8048L)

301 "296 Dusty is a good guy.

Used to fish up here every year.
Posted by: garrett"

He just seems like a guy that it would be a blast to watch a game and have a few beers with, talking baseball.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 07, 2016 05:17 PM (OD2ni)

302 JackStraw, yes it is. That is, the "responsibility" of every GOPer to clean up after one of their candidates, esp. presidential, during a presidential cycle.

In any case, we're not talking about cleaning up.

We clearly are talking about, you know, actually engaging in politics, intelligently, and in the service of a good cause (or causes). But most of them lack the intelligence - or interest - to do so.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:17 PM (QDnY+)

303 I'm simply flabbergasted at all of this. I'm not saying Trump is a political messaging god, but he found a way for supporters and curious Indies to deflect attacks on Trump U and attack SJW racial grievance mongering.

Most white people now believe that reverse racism is a bigger problem then racism. They're open to this line of thinking, and it cast aspersions onto questions regarding Trump U and the media's handling of it (why didn't they report the judge was a member of La Raza?). They could've tied it into the riots to say that the left is driving America apart along racial lines.

Instead the GOP leadership is giving them cover by bashing their nominee on CNN. There is no 3rd party white knight. There is not going to be a rules change big enough. There is not going to be any convention shenanigans big enough to stop Trump from being the GOP nominee and being the best shot against Clinton.

And our guys are calling him racist. To what end?

Posted by: GrapeDrink at June 07, 2016 05:17 PM (Wt+M2)

304 So who is the next fighter to die? Kimbo Slice died.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (z/Ubi)

305
My suggestion is that the Republican establishment ought to come up with some kind of boilerplate statement for every Republican office holder to say to the press the next time (and you know there will be a next time) Donald Trump says something that gets the media and the left BIRM all spun up.

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You mean the way the R establishment should have had some boilerplate statement for every trap question about abortion for rape victims? Heh, yeah.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (pC96u)

306 It was our responsibility to drag Pappy Milktoast and Pastor Goodhair across the finish line in 2008 and 2012. "

Hey, don't forget me. Or the little pill...

Posted by: BobDole at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (C9pBZ)

307 "Well fuck where was this "destruction of the conceptualization of selves" the last seven goddamned cycles?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:13 PM (g8Hfr) "

Romney, Dole and McCain were RINO's, but they were still politicians with a lifetime of service to some form of conservative ideals. Sure, some of them had their share of heresies - Romneycare, anybody? - but they within, imho, acceptable bounds. Lord knows Bush 1 and 2 weren't perfect either, but again, they were lifelong party soldiers. Trump is to me, and obviously a lot of others, a bridge too far.

We always hear about a party divorce in the wake of a contentious primary, but that usually lasts a month or two and everything is hunky dory when the next cycle starts. I don't think that's going to be the case this time.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (kumBu)

308 >>He just seems like a guy that it would be a blast to watch a game and have a few beers with, talking baseball.

Yeah. He's funny as hell and the day is filled with great stories.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (I8Bd1)

309 304 Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (z/Ubi)

Kurt Angle

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (g8Hfr)

310 Gawd, do we really have to listen to Meggy Mac decrying how disappointed she is in the GOP rebellion?

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (/m8T6)

311 >>Trump pointed out an inherent conflict of interest in the judge being a member and donator of the group bringing the suit.

>>He also pointed out the Judge is a member of Ein Volk....

No, he did not. You can try and pretend that's what happened but that is not what happened. He said not once but multiple times that the judge was biased against him because he was a Mexican. Period. He was even given a chance to expand upon that statement when it was pointed out that he was born in Indiana and Trump just said he was of Mexican heritage. It's only been in the last day or so that he's said squat about La Raza and that should have been the focus all along.

Do you know that his lawyers have not asked for the judge to recuse himself over any conflict? If this is such a big issue why haven't they done that?

This was an own goal by Trump. He is the one responsible for what he said and only he can clean it up.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:19 PM (/tuJf)

312 I am ovulating and ready for you Obama

Posted by: Paul Ryan's Festering Womb at June 07, 2016 05:19 PM (10hEu)

313 Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:17 PM (8048L)

You never answered my question about other republicans attacking him so i all take that as you have no answer

And he never said he was self funding the general election, but nice try

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:19 PM (Ozsfq)

314 He just seems like a guy that it would be a blast to watch a game and have a few beers with, talking baseball.

-----------

Well you would get his beers, so that is a plus.

Posted by: SH at June 07, 2016 05:19 PM (gmeXX)

315
our guys are calling him racist. To what end?
Posted by: GrapeDrink at June 07, 2016 05:17 PM (Wt+M2)
-------------------

To their own delusions of moral superiority and their deluded terror of being called a name -- by some manipulative, nasty piece of shit who does nothing but call people names.

And that is not snark.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:19 PM (pC96u)

316 Further to the poll from Florida:

Same poll has Obama at 46% approval, Rubio at 54% DISapproval. So this isn't some wacky sample that is all Republican or anything. It's a pretty left leaning sample and still Trump is beating the Hildabeast by 1%.

You may now continue with the "he can't win ever" discussion.....

Personally I think the San Jose La Raza riots brought a lot of people to the realization that holy shit this country is out of control and Trump is the only guy who can do something about it. The riot happened June 2nd, the poll was taken June 2-5. Hmmmm.......

Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

317 Will it count if Jimmy Snuka gets the electric chair?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (BRgcl)

318 HYeah but everyone likes a Cuban (sandwich)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (39g3+)

319 "why didn't they report the judge was a member of La Raza?"

Why didn't Trump mention it?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (ktzHq)

320 307 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (kumBu)

The merging into the DC Uniparty started with Bush 41, Dole was crap, Dubya cemented the devolution of the GOP to "donk lite" and Juan and Mitt were the Hope and Crosby of squishes....

Juan Queeg being the genius who wanted to join Hillary! in gutting Citizens United b/c "save me from myself the first amendment is corrupting!"

fucking John Keating McCain

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (g8Hfr)

321 The dollar menu at Taco bell is pretty decent. The potato soft tacos are extremely tasty, albeit strange.

Posted by: Max Power at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (q177U)

322 The Eiger Sanction is a pretty good movie.. But even better Eastwood film from a little earlier (late 60's) is Where Eagles Dare.. just because it has Richard Burton... A Brit and an American fight the entire Nazi army (disguised as Nazis themselves) to rescue a General held prisoner in the alps..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (so+oy)

323 >>Will it count if Jimmy Snuka gets the electric chair?

What do I not know about Superfly Snuka?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (I8Bd1)

324 Cubans don't like Mexicans.
................

Yet somehow having a Cuban-American as the nominee was going to convince Mexicans to vote GOP. And maybe Puerto Ricans too.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (7HtZB)

325 And our guys are calling him racist. To what end?

-
The coronation of Hillary the Despicable and the death of the Republic. If they're expecting anything else, they're as crazy as the Bernie Thugs.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (Nwg0u)

326 317 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (BRgcl)

Won't happen Snuka was found unfit to try....

http://tinyurl.com/hkykmvk

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (g8Hfr)

327 "My suggestion is that the Republican establishment ought to come up with some kind of boilerplate statement for every Republican office holder to say to the press the next time (and you know there will be a next time) Donald Trump says something that gets the media and the left BIRM all spun up.

They should all say something like "Golly, did he really say that? I haven't seen it so I am not sure that those were his exact words and I don't want to comment on a hypothetical. Well, I am not a mind reader and Donald Trump does not confide in me. Why don't you ask him yourself exactly what he meant by that."
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 05:10 PM (QHgTq)"

Excellent idea. Support Trump when he says something worthwhile, and refer reporters to the Trump campaign for comment when he doesn't.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (8048L)

328 The only reason this judge thing has blown up into something anyone is talking about is that our weak sister, limp wristed, shit stained GOP elected office holders folded like cheap suits.

Had they stuck behind Trump and laughed at the very thought that what Trump said was racist, they would all be in good shape now.

But no, the assholes had to bow down to the media.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (Zs4uk)

329 "why didn't they report the judge was a member of La Raza?"

Why didn't Trump mention it?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 05:20 PM (ktzHq)

he did mention it, but not by name
And Trump is still an amateur at all this stuff. No excuse, just a fact.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (Ozsfq)

330 "Well that was a much better balanced post. Look not trying to pick a fight, yeah maybe a little to blow off steam, but anyhow it's disappointing you will sit this out, but that's your prerogative.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:11 PM (Ozsfq) "

I'm still going to vote GOP down-ballot, and if I find out any of my friends are voting Hillary, I'll subtly bump them down an elevator shaft. But as of this moment, I can't see myself voting for Trump. But like ace, I'm not inflexible - if Trump does get more competent, and if he starts scoring some major points in the debates, and if he starts to seem like somebody that will actually surround himself with the right people and take their advice instead of just going with his instinct on every decision, then I will do an about face and pull the lever for him.

Anyway, I'm conflicted about a lot of this. Part of me really wants this party to break apart and shed the dead weight, and part of me is afraid that we won't regroup in time and the death of the GOP will be the death of any opposition to Democrat rule.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (kumBu)

331 "If you had any interest at all in attacking both Trump and the liberal race-based worldview he seems to espouse, you could have done so.

But you didn't."

It's unclear whom this refers to. If politicians, well, sure, they're gutless. But if it refers to the conservative writers of the anti-Trump sort, almost all of them have been attacking the liberal racial attitudes for years. I mean all the standard sites: PJ, NRO, HotAir, etc. The conservative counterparts to Dowd et al.

So, what's the complaint about?

Look I despise both Trump and #NeverTrump. Now it looks as if Ace is becoming unhinged.

Posted by: George LeS at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (iqTN2)

332 323 >>Will it count if Jimmy Snuka gets the electric chair?

What do I not know about Superfly Snuka?
Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (I8Bd1)

He's been arrested for the murder of his wife in the 80's

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (z/Ubi)

333 Great post by Mr. Ace.

Simple - what are the rules of the game? Once, I know, I'm playing by them, and playing to win.

Is race something that will affect judgment? If you say it is, and that's cool, it's cool for all races. If you don't like that, then we need to reevaluate that rule so race is not a factor. But you are damn skippy not going to praise "black viewpoints" and damn white ones.

I saw that with a fellow "female" lawyer that loves her some women-focused lawyerin', but snarkly criticized a local firm that advertised that it represents men in domestic cases and knows how to look out for them. I see, great policy for the vag, but not for the prick. I oh so enjoyed calling her out on that one in the office.

I bought that "race neutrality" shit as a kid, even as I could see the "minorities' just wanted to flip the script and become the discriminators they accused whitey of being. I'm not buying it anymore.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (i6shs)

334 323 Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (I8Bd1)

He allegedly beat a woman to death in the '80s.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (g8Hfr)

335
Trump knows very little about the nitty-gritty of politics. Trump kinda stumbles into hitting political home runs.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (XgPhs)

336 Cubans don't like Mexicans.

____

I've als heard that the reverse is true since Cubans got special treatment with the "land in Miami, get green card" treatment vs. the "hide in the shadows" treatment for Mexicans.

Not sure if that's still a thing though since everyone now basically gets to stay.

Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (0LHZx)

337 289 Trump pointed out an inherent conflict of interest in the judge being a member and donator of the group bringing the suit.
-------------------------------------------------

I'm over this stupid episode but, before we leave, do you know either of these statements to be actually true?

All I saw was a PR piece saying he was going to be one of several arbiters of a scholarship competition. It was benign.

You must have seen something else, showing him to be a La Raza member and giver to the organization. Where did you see that?

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (/m8T6)

338 The only reason this judge thing has blown up into something anyone is talking about is that our weak sister, limp wristed, shit stained GOP elected office holders folded like cheap suits.

Had they stuck behind Trump and laughed at the very thought that what Trump said was racist, they would all be in good shape now.

But no, the assholes had to bow down to the media.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (Zs4uk)

Yup..One thing I will give Fredo credit for is NEVER apologizing or going back and the commie dems back him 100%.

On THAT we could learn something.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (Ozsfq)

339 "Eiger Sanction is good."

Very good watch.

"George Kennedy is the Ernest Borgnine of Brian Dennehys."

Right.

wait, er......

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (LA7Cm)

340 >>JackStraw, yes it is. That is, the "responsibility" of every GOPer to clean up after one of their candidates, esp. presidential, during a presidential cycle.

No, its not. If Trump comes out tomorrow and says that the media is controlled by Jews and everyone knows they vote Democrat, and let's be honest none of us would be surprised if he did, then there is only one person responsible for that and it would be Trump.

We aren't talking policy, we are talking stupid, politically ignorant statements that can and will be held against an entire party unless they are condemned whether we like it or not.

It is the responsibility of the party to support their candidates when they are acting on the party's platform or on their in the party's interest. The party has zero interest in defending Trump on Trump U let alone his statements about a judge on that private case.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (/tuJf)

341 AP- Referring to Bill Clinton as a "poonhound", GOP nominee Donald Trump speculated the former Presidents absentee father "must have been a dago" although he allowed"his nose is probably from his mom's side". There was no immediate reply from the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (Cq0oW)

342 Speaking of moral equivalence and Richard Burton, the Spy who Came in from the Cold is pretty good. Minus one star for no husky Dennehy-esque costars.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (BRgcl)

343
Trump really doesn't understand who his political friends and foes are.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (XgPhs)

344 "What do I not know about Superfly Snuka?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:21 PM (I8Bd1) "

He probably killed his girlfriend in the 80's. Nancy Argentino.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:24 PM (kumBu)

345 No, its not. If Trump comes out tomorrow and says that the media is controlled by Jews and everyone knows they vote Democrat, and let's be honest none of us would be surprised if he did, then there is only one person responsible for that and it would be Trump.

His daughter might be.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (z/Ubi)

346 I agree, by the GOP reacting this way, all they do is lend credence to the outrageous suggestion that this is somehow racist. Its stupid, hamfisted, and clumsy, but its not racist. I don't think Trump is in any way racist at any level.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (39g3+)

347 Great comment Ace.

Glad you saw the light.

But the problem is, which most Trumpbots don't get, is that Trump looks at virtually every issue from a Standard Issue Liberal point of view, at least a blue collar liberal standard issue point of view. That is his point of reference and ya, once in a while he goes off the reservation, but it is where he starts from.

Posted by: Unsk at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (Of4hx)

348
Trump also doesn't grasp the difference between Right and Left.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (XgPhs)

349 Trump knows very little about the nitty-gritty of politics. Trump kinda stumbles into hitting political home runs.

Once? Maybe.
Repeatedly? Nah. Something's there.
No one is THAT lucky on a national scale.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (LwB8i)

350
Crap, this is gonna get willowed for sure, but I'm halfway through Scott Adams's take on the "robot judge" and he's nailing it.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145560612726/the-robot-judge

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (pC96u)

351 You must have seen something else, showing him to be a La Raza member and giver to the organization. Where did you see that?
Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (/m8T6)

he is a member of the La Raza lawyers group which links DIRECTLY to the Parent La Raza

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (Ozsfq)

352 Absolutely trump should go after those fuckwads ryan, kirk, miss lindsey..et al... Go on the offense against the establishment gope, msm, pc...that is what put him where he is to begin with. Double down on those assholes...

Posted by: E.T. at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (c+7Ko)

353 Do you know that his lawyers have not asked for the judge to recuse himself over any conflict? If this is such a big issue why haven't they done that?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:19 PM (/tuJf)

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Because they probably know who would be listening to their argument, ie another far left judge who would tell them to fuck off.

Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (0LHZx)

354 342 I can't watch that stuff.The Soviets were evil,they were bent on enslaving the entire human race.I reject that our side was equivalent in any way.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (B48dK)

355
Trump is pretty much the candidate version of the typical low-information voter.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 05:26 PM (XgPhs)

356 337 Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (/m8T6)

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-u-judges-group-tied-to-national-council-of-laraza/

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:26 PM (g8Hfr)

357 328 The only reason this judge thing has blown up into something anyone is talking about is that our weak sister, limp wristed, shit stained GOP elected office holders folded like cheap suits.

This is actually wrong...

Sure, our office holders are pieces of shit, but before they even folded, our writers and talkers folded.

So fucking worried about being called racists, none of our media could make the case that a La Raza judge might be a bit bias against Trump.

That is why the spineless idiots we've voted into office ran for the hills.

They looked, but there was no cover in the papers, on tv or in the internet.

We are so fucked.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:26 PM (Zs4uk)

358 Re: Sotomayor

Usually when a woman places her vagina privilege so much higher above the heads of the people she's working for, she's dancing for dollar bills at the local titty bar.

Posted by: Fritz at June 07, 2016 05:26 PM (f40FU)

359 MTF

I sit on a scholarship board. They only do that if you are a big donor

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:26 PM (zOTsN)

360 he is a member of the La Raza lawyers group which links DIRECTLY to the Parent La Raza
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (Ozsfq)

_____

Oh no no no. You see, just because a group is called THE RACE LAWYERS GROUP doesn't mean it has anything to do with the other group just called THE RACE. It;s like how the KKK - Chicago Division is completely autonomous and has nothing in common with the KKK.
- every leftist and RINO online today

Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (0LHZx)

361 You can try and pretend that's what happened but that is not what happened."

Ok, here's the quote (from CBS' John Dickerson): "(the judge) is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro Mexican, which is all fine, but I say he's got bias"

Hmm. Yep. Sounds superrayciss to me.

BTW, what race is "mexican" anywho?

Posted by: BobDole at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (C9pBZ)

362 >>He probably killed his girlfriend in the 80's. Nancy Argentino.

I did not know that.

Did he catch her in the Hot Tub with Ric Flair or something?

Speaking of which, I am all aboard for a Trump / Flair ticket.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (I8Bd1)

363 351 he is a member of the La Raza lawyers group which links DIRECTLY to the Parent La Raza

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (Ozsfq)
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Where did you see that fact documented, NGU? I missed it.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (/m8T6)

364 It is the responsibility of the party to support their candidates when they are acting on the party's platform or on their in the party's interest.

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This is well said, and to the extent that we do support someone, I think we also have the responsibility to defend our party leaders / candidates from stupid and unfair attacks - which this may or may not be. As a non-Trump supporter, I haven't given it too much thought. But I do think a lot of people have rightly pointed out (including Ace) that the left happily plays identity politics with judges.

Posted by: SH at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (gmeXX)

365 Superfly was my favorite wrestler during the brief period I liked wrestling,so this is saddening.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (B48dK)

366 Oh no no no. You see, just because a group is called THE RACE LAWYERS GROUP doesn't mean it has anything to do with the other group just called THE RACE. It;s like how the KKK - Chicago Division is completely autonomous and has nothing in common with the KKK.
- every leftist and RINO online today
Posted by: Idaho at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (0LHZx)

Ya except in this case they actually have a live link on their Web Page also. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (Ozsfq)

367 351 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:25 PM (Ozsfq)

Now now the Judge is a member of the GOOD "The Race" that gives out ethnically based scholarships not the EVIL "The Race" that wants to reconquer the US SW....except the Good La Raza links to the Bad La Raza and defends them in court.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (g8Hfr)

368 mother fucker Idaho sock UGHHH

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (0LHZx)

369 broseidon:

Ace keeps saying it - people won't abide something that wounds their conception of themselves. My conception of 'our side', and thus of myself, has been wounded by this primary.

Jeebus.

Anyone who has a "conception of themselves" is already in need of help. Anyone who lets real-world practical things of importance, such as putting Hillary in the WH, be in any way influenced by such empty narcissistic b.s. is part of the problem.

The stupid, narcissistic vacuousness of today's special snowflakes and SJWs appears to be contagious.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (QDnY+)

370 Oh, I definitely think Trump can win. We're not in "Trump down by 15" territory anymore. He's within the MoE in most polls and there's 5 months left in the campaign. It's absolutely anybody's ballgame.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (kumBu)

371 a good example: the baltimore trial.

the cops are rejecting jury trials because they know the juries will be all black and sympathetic to the guy who died, even if the cop is black.

but it would be a surprise to hear one of the defendants criticize a judge they get because he or she is black. wouldn't happen.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (WTSFk)

372 Where did you see that fact documented, NGU? I missed it.
Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:27 PM (/m8T6)

Look at their web page..I posted it the other day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (Ozsfq)

373 Just in, haven't read comments. Another Black judge, letting his race/party down?

Judge Sullivan, the Black, Bill Clinton appointed DC judge ruling that Hillary had to produce her emails and generally has been an honest judge,

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (jJRIy)

374 Now some conservatives will claim that they agree with the above-going complaints.

But okay -- then why didn't you say so?

Because these quotes were insanely easy to find.

If you had any interest at all in attacking both Trump and the liberal race-based worldview he seems to espouse, you could have done so.

But you didn't.

I just did a search of Jonah Goldberg and Charles Krauthammer. It took me two minutes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/227632/sotomayor-debate-chance-talk-it-out-race-jonah-goldberg

http://www.rawstory.com/2009/06/fox-pundit-claims-sotomayor-is-a-latina-supremacist/

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (yIz0Q)

375 MTF

At the bottom of the La Raza Lawyers group is a link to La Raza

He sat on a scholarship board for them. That means he is a big donor. And they only gave out scholarships to illegal aliens, not all Hispanic students

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (zOTsN)

376 Where did you see that fact documented, NGU? I missed it.

On Friday. For a solid thread. Honestly.
People aren't making this one up.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (LwB8i)

377
the cops are rejecting jury trials because they know the juries will be all black and sympathetic to the guy who died, even if the cop is black.

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This goes back to the days of the OJ trial FFS. The oh-so-cautious prosecution moved the trial to "downtown" where the crime did NOT occur in order to avoid charges of bias by holding the trial where it actually DID occur -- in upper-middle-class mostly-white Brentwood.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (pC96u)

378 Para bailar la raza
Para bailar la raza
Se necesi una poca de gracia
Una poca de gracia para mi para ti Y arriba Y arriba
Y'arriba y ariba por ti sere por ti sere por ti sere
Yo no soy marinero
Yo no soy marinero
Soy capitan soy capitan soy capitan
Raza raza

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (Nwg0u)

379
356 337 Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (/m8T6)

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-u-judges-group-tied-to-national-council-of-laraza/ ---------------------------------------------------

Thanks Sven.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (/m8T6)

380 Look at their web page..I posted it the other day"

Good luck with that. Reality has yet to hit those folks...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (C9pBZ)

381 375 MTF

At the bottom of the La Raza Lawyers group is a link to La Raza

He sat on a scholarship board for them. That means he is a big donor. And they only gave out scholarships to illegal aliens, not all Hispanic students

Si si reconquista!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 05:31 PM (LwB8i)

382 I think the main thing we're seeing is that modern Americans, lacking any real comprehension of morality and evil, reduce their concept to what they are familiar with. What's the most evil thing we're always told ever ever ever has been? Nazis.

So when confronted with something they don't like, out comes the N word or F word (Nazi or Fascist). I see it here, even, where people ought to know better. He's a bad guy - NAZI! What's the worst thing to be? Racist. I don't like him... he must be secretly racist. I don't trust him, I bet he's a Nazi.

This is the only place I can even begin to guess that this "Trump might be a tyrant" crap comes from. Or "he must be a racist" thing come from. Not from anything he actually does or says, not from his life and experience, but the infantile equation of bad = racist Nazi.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:31 PM (39g3+)

383 379 Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:30 PM (/m8T6)

It's real. The Judge is indirectly related by donations to the plaintiff's bringing the suit....

The guy should have recused himself ethically.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:31 PM (g8Hfr)

384 http://larazalawyers.net

Hispanic Scholarship Fund

League of United Latin American Citizens

National Council of La Raza

National Latino Peace Officers Association

California Chicano News Media Association

Hispanic Chamber of Commerce

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:31 PM (Ozsfq)

385 Fuck it.

I was here. I was ready.

Sure, I'm expensive, but I'm worth it.

Trump could have had me as a senior advisor, but he never called.

Donald, it's your own damn fault.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (Zs4uk)

386
I just did a search of Jonah Goldberg and Charles Krauthammer. It took me two minutes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/227632/sotomayor-debate-chance-talk-it-out-race-jonah-goldberg

http://www.rawstory.com/2009/06/fox-pundit-claims-sotomayor-is-a-latina-supremacist/
Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (yIz0Q)
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Okay, good, the thinkers did it.

How about our "leaders"? The guys who make a difference? The guys who vote on federal laws that fund racism in federal hiring and contracting, the guys who approve judges like Sonia Sotomayor?

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (pC96u)

387 On Friday. For a solid thread. Honestly.
People aren't making this one up."

Oh yes you are!

(said by holdovers from tepid fume and such)

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (C9pBZ)

388 Hell, *I* could advise Trump.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (1ZOkK)

389 national-council-of-laraza

Who is Lara Za?
-LiV

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (LwB8i)

390 Let's shorten this up some. Ace believes in the color blind ideology, that is slowly dying with the white majority. The problem with that ideology is that the only group who has been attempting to even play that game for the last 3 decades has been white people, and what do we have to show for it? More accusations or racism, and demands for more economic concessions is what we get. This was fine when the economic pie was growing. We got a dollar more and it was kind of okay that the government took 20% of that dollar and gave it away to minorities, after all...slavery. It's finally started to dawn on some people that it's not working, and nothing is ever going to wash away those racial sins, so why bother. If it's a free-for-all then it's time to get in the game, and to get in the game you have to act as a group. Don't hate the player hate the game.*

*blatant cultural appropriation.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (qGQUx)

391 Only gave out scholarships to illegal aliens

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (zOTsN)

392 So when confronted with something they don't like, out comes the N word or F word (Nazi or Fascist). I see it here, even, where people ought to know better. He's a bad guy - NAZI! What's the worst thing to be? Racist. I don't like him... he must be secretly racist. I don't trust him, I bet he's a Nazi.

This is the only place I can even begin to guess that this "Trump might be a tyrant" crap comes from. Or "he must be a racist" thing come from. Not from anything he actually does or says, not from his life and experience, but the infantile equation of bad = racist Nazi.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:31 PM (39g3+)

_____

It's also intelectual laziness. People know Trump isn't a tyrant or a Nazi. But it takes a lot of energy to write out why you think he'd make a poor president. A lot easier and faster to shot NAZI!!!!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (0LHZx)

393 I was here. I was ready.

Sure, I'm expensive, but I'm worth it.

Trump could have had me as a senior advisor, but he never called.

Donald, it's your own damn fault.
Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (Zs4uk)

me to..I sent him an Email.
Maybe he really doesn't like Jews? Who knew?
LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (Ozsfq)

394 ...what day is it?

.
.
.
did we win?

Posted by: Kevin Love at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (I8Bd1)

395 Who is Lara Za? "

The nice lady at Chipotle's?

- LIV II

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (C9pBZ)

396 "Anyone who has a "conception of themselves" is already in need of help. Anyone who lets real-world practical things of importance, such as putting Hillary in the WH, be in any way influenced by such empty narcissistic b.s. is part of the problem.

The stupid, narcissistic vacuousness of today's special snowflakes and SJWs appears to be contagious.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (QDnY+) "

Everybody has a 'conception of themselves.' Including you, dearie. And sorry, "vote for my guy or the sky is falling" is a poor rhetorical tactic. The 'practical, real world' things I care about are my family and those close to me. They're not going to be saved by a Trump vote, nor will a Hillary victory instantly turn them into pillars of salt.

But keep telling me what 'practical, real world matters' I should care about in my life. Since you'd know better than me.

And I'll fire back: Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem. We're not getting out of this mess by voting. Things have to change from the ground-up, not from the top-down. If we're going to recover, it's going to have to be at the community level.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (kumBu)

397 If Trump had focused on the La Raza stuff first, he still would have been lambasted by the media (because that's what they do), but I think many of the prominent GOPers who are clutching their pearls right now would have tried to defend his remarks. They might have tried to spin it to sound more "PC" but they would've probably taken the Alberto Gonzales approach.

Instead, Trump tosses out the "He's a Mexican" stuff at one of his rallies and it's purely a play to certain segments of the crowd. It feels like signaling to alt-right types. It's not even that he's wrong (the judge most likely is liberal and hates Trump's stance on immigration). But it's the way he uses that to rile people up. I really don't like how emboldened the alt-right is thanks to Trump's candidacy.

Posted by: FeelThePaine at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (sIJdM)

398 Who is Lara Za?
-LiV
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (LwB8i)

russian hooker who hangs out at the Marriot

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (Ozsfq)

399
Judge Sullivan, the Black, Bill Clinton appointed DC judge ruling that Hillary had to produce her emails and generally has been an honest judge,
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (jJRIy)
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And Hillary has called him (not specifically, but as part of a general sweep) part of the Republican conspiracy against her. And so have her supporters.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (pC96u)

400 394
...what day is it?

We've gone from Rapey Tuesday to Taco Tuesday.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (1ZOkK)

401 386 Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (pC96u)

She was confirmed 67-29.

Just like the Trump Judge the GOP Gentry caved.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (g8Hfr)

402 We got a dollar more and it was kind of okay that the government took 20% of that dollar and gave it away to minorities, after all...slavery.
Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (qGQUx)

____

If it was only 20%, I'd be fine with it. Problem is it's closer to FITY percent and growing every year.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (0LHZx)

403 388 Hell, *I* could advise Trump.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (1ZOkK)
---------------------------------------------------

We advise Trump all day long around here. It hasn't worked.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (/m8T6)

404 Trump tosses out the "He's a Mexican" stuff at one of his rallies"

CBS is a "rally"? Who knew?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (C9pBZ)

405
me to..I sent him an Email.
Maybe he really doesn't like Jews? Who knew?
LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (Ozsfq)
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I tweet at him regularly! No results!

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (pC96u)

406 "broseidon:

Ace keeps saying it - people won't abide something that wounds their conception of themselves. My conception of 'our side', and thus of myself, has been wounded by this primary.

Jeebus.

Anyone who has a "conception of themselves" is already in need of help. Anyone who lets real-world practical things of importance, such as putting Hillary in the WH, be in any way influenced by such empty narcissistic b.s. is part of the problem.

The stupid, narcissistic vacuousness of today's special snowflakes and SJWs appears to be contagious.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (QDnY+)"

Um, so instead of trying to persuade broseidon (and anyone else reading this thread) to see the good points of supporting Mr. Trump over the ghastly Mrs. Clinton, it's better to just write him off as flaky, crazy, etc.?

The "conception" expression came from Ace originally, and was in my opinion, a rather elegantly worded explanation of his theory. This primary has been unusually nasty and divisive. Doesn't look like peace is going to break out anytime soon.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (8048L)

407 328 The only reason this judge thing has blown up into something anyone is talking about is that our weak sister, limp wristed, shit stained GOP elected office holders folded like cheap suits.
...
Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:22 PM (Zs4uk)

Folded?

Or took the opportunity to stab Trump in the back.

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (RcpcZ)

408 I just did a search of Jonah Goldberg and Charles Krauthammer. It took me two minutes.

Two freakin minutes??

I haven't got all minute!

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (qUNWi)

409 Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:28 PM (QDnY+)

I say again: Rhomboid 2016.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (oKE6c)

410 Okay, good, the thinkers did it.

How about our "leaders"? The guys who make a difference? The guys who vote on federal laws that fund racism in federal hiring and contracting, the guys who approve judges like Sonia Sotomayor?
Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:32 PM (pC96u)

Not that I remember. And they fucked up by that. I've said it before, and I'll say it again--whatever I think of Trump, the Republican leadership continually proves him right in his criticisms of them.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 05:36 PM (yIz0Q)

411 Taco Tuesday"

Ah, Torchy's Tacos. Good stuff, there. Breakfast tacos are awesome.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:36 PM (C9pBZ)

412 "Maybe he really doesn't like Jews? Who knew?
LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (Ozsfq) "

Apparently a lot of his fans don't. But Trump should like us - we're well known for having the best brains and the best words.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:36 PM (kumBu)

413 "We've gone from Rapey Tuesday to Taco Tuesday. "

Rosa's Cafe has been doing that for years.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)

414 @390

BINGO. Islam means submission. We can not submit to them or Obama's Socialist lackeys.

We will not go quietly to the ovens. Gun sales up again this month.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:36 PM (jJRIy)

415 Was the story that one of Trump supporters on The Five or Out Numbered was a member of the same La Raza lawyers association refuted?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (ktOIC)

416 JackStraw no it does not matter whether it's about "policy", it's a binary choice, there are two teams on the field for the next few months - or there aren't.

The whole party being tarred? For absolutely no reason they have been long tarred as racist, sexist, blood-thirsty, and worse. In what world is this a new, or marginally important, development?

Only Trump can clean up his own mess, if indeed it is a mess, but again that's not the point.

The GOP is variously unable and unwilling to engage in politics, to do any education, any advocacy of any important policy - beyond the lamest and emptiest failed boiler-plate.

An intelligent, responsible person with some interest in the future of the country could, easily, take any question about this latest ephemeral Trumpendammerung and turn it into a long over-due attack on Hillary, on the Dems, or on the numerous disastrous trends that have reached crisis stage.

Basic politics, basic PR. Utterly alien to GOP behavior, on this and zillion other things.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (QDnY+)

417 "Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem."

I'm so pessimistic that I think the country is already destroyed.

The USA is in that postmortem stage where the hair and fingernails of the corpse are still growing. That's about it.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (noWW6)

418
She was confirmed 67-29.

Just like the Trump Judge the GOP Gentry caved.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (g8Hfr)
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It's funny, I didn't want to take the time to look up the score, knowing there were a few traitors in there but having no idea it was that bad.

Total fucking betrayal.

Fuck them.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (pC96u)

419 289----that is while a lamentable state of affairs not a "step on my own dick" in the vein of 47%....
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:14 PM
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In both cases --- well, in ALL cases --- these things are always filtered though the MSM to the GOP's disadvantage.

Take that 47% thing. All Romney said is the obvious. You cannot pin a national campaign on the issue of cutting income taxes when 47% of the people don't pay any to begin with.
He never said the 47% were worthless. That was the MSM, who twisted it to fit their narrative of the Mean Rich Romney.

The narrative now is of raaaacist bigot Drumpf. Easy pickings with the loud mouth! The MSM doesn't even have to break a sweat getting material from that clown.
Unlike Romney, who spoke to a private group, Trump blares his clumsy remarks to the world.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (T/5A0)

420 Doesn't look like peace is going to break out anytime soon."

Generally doesn't until there's lots of dead. That's reality.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (C9pBZ)

421 Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem.

I don't think that is true

8 years of Fredo ruined American Health Care for ever, Put us on our way to unenforceable borders, hugely increased social services for all the illegals, and a decaying Military.

8 more years of The FAB could put us over the top.

Would Trump be 100% better i am sure not, but anything at this point will help

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (Ozsfq)

422 Great points, all. So ... how do we steer the national conversation in this direction? Does it take writing to your local newspaper (assuming one still exists) and hoping they print your letter?

Can you share this sentiment on Facebook and pray a wave of 'free speech' devotees doesn't shout you down?

Imagine if Trevor Noah or Stephen Colbert brought up Trump's judge comments ... and then swerved to the debate here/ I'd fall off my recliner AND clutch my heart and pearls.

Heck, we still need a national conversation on race. Just an honest one. Not holding my breath it'll happen anytime soon.

Posted by: Christian Toto at June 07, 2016 05:38 PM (eTv0F)

423 415 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (ktOIC)

She's a judge confirmed by the GOP Senate yes?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:38 PM (g8Hfr)

424 Was the story that one of Trump supporters on The Five or Out Numbered was a member of the same La Raza lawyers association refuted?

It was suggested Kim Guilfoyle was. I don't think there was much to back it up tho.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (qUNWi)

425 "You mean the way the R establishment should have had
some boilerplate statement for every trap question about abortion for
rape victims? Heh, yeah.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:18 PM (pC96u)"

Yes. Exactly like they should have done for that.

Andrew Breitbart was able to make brilliant, funny, incisive and cutting extemporaneous replies to the gotcha questions of the media. That is a rare skill. Most of us can't do that.

I look at it sort of like teaching self defense. Most of us do not have the inherent ability nor will we spend the time to acquire the skills to become some kind of ninja master of self defense but we can learn some basic skills that will work more often than not. Defense against the partisan Republican hating media is similar. Learn the boiler plate replies to the questions and don't say anything else. The media will hate it but you will not be the one who gives the media a juicy quote to use for one or more news cycles.

Republicans should look at talking to the news media like talking to the police in an interrogation room. They are not your friends and they do not have your best interests at heart. In fact, it is probably accurate to say that there is a significant divergence between your best interests and their best interests. And before you decide to engage with them consider that they do this stuff a lot more than you do so they are probably better at it than you are.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (QHgTq)

426 Who is Lara Za?
-LiV
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 05:33 PM (LwB8i)

russian hooker who hangs out at the Marriot

-
She'll blow you for a pizza. That's why they call her Za.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (Nwg0u)

427 Has anyone else noticed that fast food places are coming out with more and more offerings that either blend crap into meat or replace meat with something cheaper, then call it fancy? I think they're trying to reduce their costs because meat is expensive and you can only reduce that big mac by so much.

Its the new buttery jack! Its got .. meat, and, other stuff in a meat-like combination. And its square!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (39g3+)

428 Trump has used the term money guys before but I think he was clueless that it is used as a negative reference.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (ktOIC)

429 Trump seems to be showing signs of DSB (Deadly Sperm Build up). He need to STFU and go home an fck his hot wife for a week.

That would be better than fcking off in public.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (jJRIy)

430 "If we're going to recover, it's going to have to be at the community level."

Begone! Federalism has no place in today's Republican party.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 05:39 PM (ktzHq)

431 419 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (T/5A0)

If the GOP nominated a bag of literal gold the media would say Gold is Shit...

My views on what needs to happen to the media would risk my banning if expressed....

there's a thunderstorm building over my head, how about those Reds?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:40 PM (g8Hfr)

432 To Nevergiveup, Hrumpgh, Hrumpgh

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 05:40 PM (3wHFl)

433 Trump has used the term money guys before but I think he was clueless that it is used as a negative reference.

Well, and its common business parlance for "banks and investors"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:40 PM (39g3+)

434 >>not original to Dowd -- nothing is original to this tired, sad hag. It's standard issue liberal can't.

Wrong vowel in that last word.

Posted by: Aviator at June 07, 2016 05:40 PM (c7vUv)

435 Nope, Jillv2, I'm not trying to persuade anyone of anything. Just reacting - in horror, despair, but not so much shock - that so many otherwise sensible people seem to make every external and practically significant thing about *them*, in this case the particularly sad narcissistic and pretentious "conception of self".

WTFF?

A vote is just a puny effort to influence one particular hiring decision. Nothing more, nothing less.

Desperate times do not call for narcissism and navel-gazing, but for practical behavior to make the best of bad choices.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:41 PM (QDnY+)

436 Two things that will never happen.

1) The media report fairly.

2) The GOP pull their heads out their asses.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:41 PM (Nwg0u)

437 It was suggested Kim Guilfoyle was.

Someone last night said that Soopermexican claimed this but I have seen nothing supporting the contention. Nor do I care; I don't watch fox News, or any of their shows and don't know who this woman is beyond mentions here once in a while.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

438 "So ... how do we steer the national conversation in this direction? Does
it take writing to your local newspaper (assuming one still exists) and
hoping they print your letter?"

this will blow over in a week or two, don't waste your time

Posted by: runner at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (c6/9Q)

439 Apparently a lot of his fans don't. But Trump should like us - we're well known for having the best brains and the best words.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:36 PM (kumBu)

I keep hearing that Trump supporters don't like Jews.

Why are people who hate Jews supporting Trump when whenever he's asked who he'll put in key administration slots, he rattles of a list of a dozen Jewish businessmen based in New York?

Do they just hate Jews in general but want to have them running the country?

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (Zs4uk)

440 "Um, so instead of trying to persuade broseidon (and anyone else reading this thread) to see the good points of supporting Mr. Trump over the ghastly Mrs. Clinton, it's better to just write him off as flaky, crazy, etc.?

The "conception" expression came from Ace originally, and was in my opinion, a rather elegantly worded explanation of his theory. This primary has been unusually nasty and divisive. Doesn't look like peace is going to break out anytime soon.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (8048L) "

Indeed, ace worded it brilliantly, but it's a concept I have seen before in other contexts - basically, that people are highly wedded to a 'mythology' of themselves, and they will often do silly, illogical, even blatantly contradictory things to keep that mythology from being destroyed. Perhaps some will see staying home this election cycle as silly - that's their right.

Ace would be a dynamite philosophy prof if this blog ever dies, by the way - he's fantastic at putting these ideas into eloquent but still accessible terms. Not the overwrought gibberish you get from most academics.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (kumBu)

441 Federalism has no place in today's Republican party.

Finally, something the entire party agrees on (establishment/Rockefeller wing, Trump populist wing, social conservative wing, and the modern gaystapo libertarian weed wing).

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (0+LRx)

442 Has anyone else noticed that fast food places are coming out with more and more offerings that either blend crap into meat or replace meat with something cheaper, then call it fancy? I think they're trying to reduce their costs because meat is expensive and you can only reduce that big mac by so much.

Its the new buttery jack! Its got .. meat, and, other stuff in a meat-like combination. And its square!

Strange you should mention that. I had a Hardee's burger yesterday and thought the same thing.

Never going back there again. Bleh.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (qUNWi)

443 Meanwhile, the people opposing Trump don't talk about his and his campaign being mired in laziness, sloppiness, incompetence and a side of demanding cash handouts from other Republicans, and all starting from the man at the top...

...Oh wait, some of us have been saying that starting back in the primary. But everytime we mention it, we get accused of being RINOS by Trump supporters or the supporters saying that 'Trump is fine - he's a billionaire!'

People opposing Trump really don't need to say anything because the Man and his supporters are having Reality doing it to them just fine. All we need to do is weep.

Posted by: TKYC at June 07, 2016 05:43 PM (C3FGR)

444 Kimberly Guilfoyle seems very conservative in her political views, and is a yuge supporter of the military.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:43 PM (1ZOkK)

445 437 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

and as I said last night "I know Sooper Mexican is unbiased as hell on Amigo Grande!"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:43 PM (g8Hfr)

446 the judge is la raza....he's a judge, he's smart, he knows it's a racist group, and he's part of it......because he's a member of that group, trump's concerns are valid....do you think a judge that sits on a board that hands out la raza scholarships, is going to give the guy who is going to build the wall a fair trial? i don't think he should recuse himself, i think he should be removed from the bench permanently for belonging to an ANTI AMERICAN GROUP. i'm not all in for trump but holy hell......how have we arrived at a place where our AMERICAN JUDGES are ANTI AMERICAN?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 07, 2016 05:43 PM (0O7c5)

447 Two things that will never happen.

1) The media report fairly.
2) The GOP pull their heads out their asses.

Correct. Neither will take place, so any solution or strategy that requires one or both is simply never going to happen. Its like planning your battle around lightning striking the enemy repeatedly, or your soldiers becoming bulletproof.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:44 PM (39g3+)

448
Heck, we still need a national conversation on race. Just an honest one. Not holding my breath it'll happen anytime soon.
Posted by: Christian Toto at June 07, 2016 05:38 PM (eTv0F)
--------------------

The more I think about the GOPe and every sniveling academic and corporate "leader" who's afraid of being called a *name*, the more I think that fucker Eric Holder was right. We're a nation of cowards when it comes to talking about race.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (pC96u)

449 >>JackStraw no it does not matter whether it's about "policy", it's a binary choice, there are two teams on the field for the next few months - or there aren't

No, it's not a binary choice unless you think the only election happening this fall is Trump v. Clinton.

Let's pretend you are a Senate candidate in a purple state trying to hold off a liberal challenger in the Year of the Woman. Trump comes out and multiple times including at his rallies starts talking about that Mexican judge being biased against me in the lawsuit brought against me by former students who are claiming I scammed them.

And you are going to tell me that you would double down and put your own job at further risk by trying to bail Trump out? Horsecrap. You would do exactly what you are seeing other pols do.

I hate the idea of Hillary winning as much as anyone but I have always been concerned that a Trump nominee could take down a lot more than just him. How would you feel about a Hillary presidency with a Democrat Senate? Maybe even a Democrat House?

If you think these aren't real possibilities you aren't paying attention.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (/tuJf)

450 "I'm so pessimistic that I think the country is already destroyed.

The USA is in that postmortem stage where the hair and fingernails of the corpse are still growing. That's about it.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (noWW6) "

I'm fine with that, as long as you don't impede those of us who still want to fight. Standing on the sidelines and pointing and laughing is a perfectly cromulent thing to do, though - were I older, I'd be doing it as well.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (kumBu)

451 I keep hearing that Trump supporters don't like Jews.

Why are people who hate Jews supporting Trump when whenever he's asked who he'll put in key administration slots, he rattles of a list of a dozen Jewish businessmen based in New York?

Do they just hate Jews in general but want to have them running the country?

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (Zs4uk)

I never heard that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (Ozsfq)

452 Heh. The Five talking about Gary Johnson "not using in about five weeks."

The idiot also looks like his barber uses a weed whacker on his hair.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (1ZOkK)

453 446 Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 07, 2016 05:43 PM (0O7c5)

I'm certain Bill Kristol and Chuck Schumer would have NO problem with a judge named Schmidt being a member of "Ein Volk Lawyers Inc TOTALLY not the Ein Volk Nazi Party Affiliate"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (g8Hfr)

454 And I'll fire back: Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (kumBu)

____

Depends on your definition of destroy. Will she complete the march to socialized medicine? Yes. Will she ban guns? More or less. Will she implement full amnesty? Yes. Will she destroy what is left of coal mining? Yes. Will she spend trillions on SJW related shit? Yep.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (0LHZx)

455 don't know who this woman is beyond mentions here once in a while.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

She is HOT and had Puerto Rican parents.

http://tinyurl.com/ctumzbx

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:46 PM (jJRIy)

456 This election to me is not about Trump, or the GOPe, or their bootlickers in the media and elsewhere or some corrupt ass Mexican Nationalist Judge and his dumbass group "La Raza".

It is about denying the murderer Hillary Rodham Clinton the office of the Presidency. Nothing more, nothing less. I will vote early and often for anyone, living or dead, to deny that bitch what she wants most.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 05:46 PM (ej1L0)

457 I wouldn't hire a white lawyer belonging to a White Lawyer's Association, and I wouldn't want a Hispanic Judge belonging to an Hispanic Lawyer's association. Something about it seems somehow...racist.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 07, 2016 05:46 PM (L/mTa)

458 I will vote early and often for anyone, living or dead, to deny that bitch what she wants most.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 05:46 PM (ej1L0)

You and me both pal

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:47 PM (Ozsfq)

459 Gawd. Meggie Mac is on The Five.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:06 PM (1ZOkK)

The Examiner's take a couple of days ago.

Andrea Tantaros still on Fox marquee: Call for ETA on 'Outnumbered' host return

...Meghan McCain appeared "Out Numbered" this week and she is far from a replacement for Tantaros. The Facebook page for the show has fans still looking for Tantaros. It appears that McCain is not doing it for the viewers like Tantaros did.

John D. Mclaughlin writes: "Why is McCain always booked for the couch spot? Extremely annoying and we get it, we know who your dad is! And please go get a tan, you arrogant snob."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 05:47 PM (qCMvj)

460 Do they just hate Jews in general but want to have them running the country?

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (Zs4uk)

As long as they are NOT dentist. ha ha

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:47 PM (jJRIy)

461 the judge is la raza....he's a judge, he's smart, he knows it's a racist group, and he's part of it.

-
See Drudge. Wise Latina Sonia Sotomayor says "ethnicity will make a difference in our judging."

No word on whether that is the royal "we". But it is.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (Nwg0u)

462 John D. Mclaughlin writes: "Why is McCain always
booked for the couch spot? Extremely annoying and we get it, we know who
your dad is! And please go get a tan, you arrogant snob."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 05:47 PM (qCMvj)

Yikes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (1ZOkK)

463 457 Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 07, 2016 05:46 PM (L/mTa)

La Raza in any incarnation is an ethnic supremacy group that holds seditious(textbook definition here kids) views on the Sovereignty of the United States WRT the US Southwest.

After we lose I plan to use La Raza as a wrecking ball on America so we can break up.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (g8Hfr)

464 I've been lurking. I've been reading. Now I have to get ready to go watch a bunch of four year olds play T-ball. I think that game, as silly as it seems, does more for the American way of life than all the hand-wringing and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Enjoy your life. Love your family. Teach them values and morals and do it with a generous spirit.

my 2 cents

Posted by: grammie winger at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (dFi94)

465 452 Heh. The Five talking about Gary Johnson "not using in about five weeks."

The idiot also looks like his barber uses a weed whacker on his hair.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:45 PM (1ZOkK)

_____

He was on Adam Carrola's podcast last week. Sounds a lot better on the radio

But seriously, he talked a lot about education and I agreed with all of it...basically getting the feds out of the education business altogether, let states do what they want. And cutting corp taxes to 0%.

It always saddens me that "conservatives" shit on people like Johnson because - GHASP - he wants to legalize pot.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (0LHZx)

466
Seriously. Because constitutional law is all about tamale-making and baby raising.

The level of the "wise Latina's" rulings do not rise even to those of a tamale.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (fOgSR)

467
And I'll fire back: Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:34 PM (kumBu)
----------------------

She'll redefine it so much that it will cease to exist as we know it.

This, I am quite sure, can be quantified in military, economic, and Constitutional terms.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:49 PM (pC96u)

468 I am getting Trump robo calls asking for money. Just got one.

How am I a "Trump supporter"?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 05:49 PM (jJRIy)

469 Why does the left promote 'diversity' if not for their opinion that people of different races bring different views?

Posted by: Rube at June 07, 2016 05:49 PM (7DpOS)

470 Rhomboid - yes, it's a hiring decision - made by millions of people. My vote doesn't matter - in the aggregate, thousands of people acting like me would matter. But my own vote is meaningless. Since that's the case, why should I do something that is antithetical to my own core beliefs, if that action will end up having zero practical effect?

The only thing I could do is influence others, but I don't have a particularly large platform to do so, and the only thing I would recommend would be to stay home, which only aids Hillary if the people I persuade were otherwise going to lean GOP.

And for the record, I must not be all that persuasive, because a lot of my family members are voting for Trump. So my household is still going to be a net gain for Trump, even if I stay home.

But sure, if Trump loses Ohio by a single vote, I will apologize.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:49 PM (kumBu)

471 I don't see the point of attacking the #NeverTrumpers and accusing them of getting Hillary elected.

It's a bad argument, in my opinion. I'm all in for Trump, but I can see why he's a bridge too far for some.

Posted by: Max Power at June 07, 2016 05:50 PM (q177U)

472
The level of the "wise Latina's" rulings do not rise even to those of a tamale.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (fOgSR)
--------------------

Heh. She should have stood by her words and just posted tamale recipes instead of opinions.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:50 PM (pC96u)

473
Why does the left promote 'diversity' if not for their opinion that people of different races bring different views?
Posted by: Rube at June 07, 2016 05:49 PM (7DpOS)
-----------------------

But they're *superior* views.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:51 PM (pC96u)

474 It always saddens me that "conservatives" shit on people like Johnson because - GHASP - he wants to legalize pot.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 05:48 PM (0LHZx)

It's not that. He's weird, period. I watched him practically pick his nose during an interview on CNN (I believe). And his running mate is a loon, has praised Hillary! to the skies and calls her one of our greatest SoS's.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:51 PM (1ZOkK)

475 462
John D. Mclaughlin writes: "Why is McCain always

booked for the couch spot? Extremely annoying and we get it, we know who

your dad is! And please go get a tan, you arrogant snob."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 05:47 PM (qCMvj)

Having a ship named after my grandfather had nothing, I tell you nothing, to do with my chairmanship of the Armed Services Committee.

Really, nothing. He was a great guy, just like me, but he did drink more.

Posted by: John McLame at June 07, 2016 05:51 PM (jJRIy)

476 Anyone belonging to a group called The Race, is a racist by definition. Am I a racist for observing this?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 07, 2016 05:51 PM (L/mTa)

477 "Doesn't look like peace is going to break out anytime soon."

Generally doesn't until there's lots of dead. That's reality.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:37 PM (C9pBZ)"

Sadly, I must agree. Civil wars are the worst. Nothing quite like shooting your neighbors and family members.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (8048L)

478 Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem."

The country is already ruined. Anyone who can't see that is part of the problem.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (ClpZf)

479 But...

Hillary is actively, calculatingly evil in a way that Obama never could be.

"Benghazi was caused by a Youtube video" is a cold calculated evil lie. At least Obama sees himself as the hero of the story, Hillary does not.

Posted by: Max Power at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (q177U)

480 476 denounce yourself!

Posted by: the Butcher at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (AGJqR)

481 "The GOP is variously unable and unwilling to engage in politics, to do
any education, any advocacy of any important policy - beyond the lamest
and emptiest failed boiler-plate.
"

Well the GOP holds a record number of governorships and state congresses and since 2010 have stymied the climate change, comprehensive immigration reform, and gun control Obama wanted. Those are pretty big ticked items and he's been reduced to executive orders and rule making that can be reversed.

Yes, the GOP congress from 2000-2006 fucked up huge. And got punished by the angry voters. To the point the Democrats got Obama and a filibuster proof majority in congress for two years.

No, the GOP congress doesn't have a lot of wins since 2010. What do you expect with Obama in the WH? When he knows he can shut down the government and Republicans will take the blame?

The obvious outcome of killing the GOP is a Democrat in the WH for an indeterminate number of terms.

It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. Thankfully I'm in Texas, the Fuck You state.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (ktzHq)

482 I don't see the point of attacking the #NeverTrumpers and accusing them of getting Hillary elected.

It's a bad argument, in my opinion. I'm all in for Trump, but I can see why he's a bridge too far for some.
Posted by: Max Power at June 07, 2016 05:50 PM (q177U)

Because The FAB is much worse
Because every vote counts
Because of the 3 seats on the Supreme Court
Because

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (Ozsfq)

483 Anyone who is so pessimistic that they think 4 to 8 years of Hillary is going to destroy this country is part of the problem.

Oh you're right. Country is already ruined. She'd just accelerate the destruction. Hillary Clinton is the most evil person I've ever seen in my lifetime, in America at least. She's even less worthy of any office, let alone president, than her scumbag rapist husband. She'll take the seeds of tyranny that Obama has sown and grow them to full bloom.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (39g3+)

484 It's a pretty ship too!

http://tinyurl.com/zygdzq7

Posted by: John McLame at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (jJRIy)

485 This is some faggy reaching, Ace. If people want an equal multi-ethnic society, then it's only fair that Whites get to call out unfair situations in the legal realm, too.

Posted by: Darnell at June 07, 2016 05:53 PM (7xax9)

486 broseidon, your reply is too incoherent to respond to in detail, but whatever.

However your attempt at condescension ("dearie") is hilarious. And in case you didn't notice, presidential elections actually are now having a huge practical effect on many people, exclusively pernicious, when the statist (uh, *more* statist) side wins.

I don't have "a guy". There are candidates. They mean nothing to me other than what they might do/not do. It's not sports, I am nobody's fan. It's a hiring decision.

If one can even type the sentence "conception of self" one may be in need of help. If one involves that pscyhological problem in voting choices ...... one is better off voting for Dems, where narcissistic emotional and ignorant self-affirmation substitutes for thought and choice-making for most.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:53 PM (QDnY+)

487 Gary Johnson thinks jewish bakers should be forced to bake nazi wedding cakes...he's a fucking statist fascist.

Posted by: Max Power at June 07, 2016 05:53 PM (q177U)

488
And his running mate is a loon, has praised Hillary! to the skies and calls her one of our greatest SoS's.

That'd be William "Butt" Weld

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 07, 2016 05:53 PM (fOgSR)

489 "I keep hearing that Trump supporters don't like Jews.

Why are people who hate Jews supporting Trump when whenever he's asked who he'll put in key administration slots, he rattles of a list of a dozen Jewish businessmen based in New York?

Do they just hate Jews in general but want to have them running the country?

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (Zs4uk) "

Hey, since when has anti-Semitism been logical?

I will add that I have yet to encounter all of this supposed Alt-Right anti-Semitism. But I refuse to wade in the cesspool that is Twitter and most website comment areas, so I only hear about it secondhand.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:54 PM (kumBu)

490 I think I would join La Raza for Eva Mendes. I might fill out the application for Rosario Dawson, but would forget to mail it.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 05:54 PM (BRgcl)

491 "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life," said Judge Sotomayor

The arrogance is probably what I find most offensive, I think. A better conclusion? We aren't asking them for the secret to a life well lived, we're asking is this legislation lawful or not? There's not a "better Conclusion" in that question.

Fucking Hubris.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus with an itch at June 07, 2016 05:55 PM (rwI+c)

492 "Indeed, ace worded it brilliantly, but it's a concept I have seen before in other contexts - basically, that people are highly wedded to a 'mythology' of themselves, and they will often do silly, illogical, even blatantly contradictory things to keep that mythology from being destroyed. Perhaps some will see staying home this election cycle as silly - that's their right.

Ace would be a dynamite philosophy prof if this blog ever dies, by the way - he's fantastic at putting these ideas into eloquent but still accessible terms. Not the overwrought gibberish you get from most academics.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 05:42 PM (kumBu)"

Shhh....let's not give Ace ideas to close the place down and find a new way to spend his time!

I personally hope nobody stays home. We can always skip the Presidential ballot line. The down-ballot races are really critical no matter who wins the Presidency. If it's Clinton, we need as many Republicans as possible to limit the damage. If it's Trump, we need as many Republicans as possible so they're the ones he's making deals with instead of the Dems.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 05:55 PM (8048L)

493 337 289 Trump pointed out an inherent conflict of interest in the judge being a member and donator of the group bringing the suit.
-------------------------------------------------

I'm over this stupid episode but, before we leave, do you know either of these statements to be actually true?

All I saw was a PR piece saying he was going to be one of several arbiters of a scholarship competition. It was benign.

You must have seen something else, showing him to be a La Raza member and giver to the organization. Where did you see that?

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 05:23 PM (/m8T6)

++++

He awarded scholarships to illegal aliens. The link has screen grabs and all the backup you want.
http://gotnews.com/mexican-judge-gonzalo-curiel/

The same site is now reporting that the good judge is an anchor baby.
http://tinyurl.com/jrmay5f

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (R+30W)

494 Judge Gonzalo Curiel

Member of:

1. La Raza Lawyers Association
2. Hispanic National Bar Association
3. Latino Judges Association
4. National Hispanic Prosecutors Association

You can see why Trump would feel, or anyone who supports building a wall along the Mexico border, would fear their impartiality in a case dealing with a judge with those associations.

Now if Obama had a judge ruling on him that belonged to:

1. The Aryan Lawyers Association
2. Caucasian National Bar Association
3. Anglo Judges Association
4. National Caucasian Prosecutors Association

Do you think Obama and the media would object and demand a new Judge? I would think you all know the answer.

Lets throw a little wrinkle in because people keep bringing up Irish groups.

Irish American Judge belongs to:

1. The Fenian Lawyers Association
2. Irish-American National Bar Association
3. Harp of Erin Judges Association
4. National Irish-American Prosecutors Association

Now if you, the defendant, belonged to the Orange Order, or the Oliver Cromwell society, American-British Friendship Society, would you not be a little concerned about the judge's impartiality in your case?

So yes the Judge in the Trump case is not exactly impartial. Trump's biggest mistake so far is not screaming "La Raza" over and over again and making that the prime issue. Calling your group "The Race" is not exactly friendly sounding to non-Hispanics. (Yes they claim it is not called the Race, but its alternatives are the Ethnicity, and things like that).

This is a chance to make all race based groups the issue. If minorities can have them, why not whites, and if not then neither should they. Instead we have Paul Ryan saying how racist this all is...Paul the Judge belongs to a group called "The Race" for heavens sake!

Posted by: William Eaton at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (KhJh8)

495
What a horrid juxtaposition. Brett Baier reporting live on the Democrat primary in San Diego -- right in front of the USS Midway.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (pC96u)

496 "
Oh you're right. Country is already ruined. She'd just accelerate the destruction. Hillary Clinton is the most evil person I've ever seen in my lifetime, in America at least. "

Hillary gets elected and we will not have a national security secret left. We will be wide open to our enemies and useless to our friends. I do believe this.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (LA7Cm)

497 490 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 05:54 PM (BRgcl)

If all the newer better Americans looked like https://twitter.com/realmelina Melina Perez I'd join La Raza....

sadly "no."

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (g8Hfr)

498 I agree with you about Hillary, which is why I pray for her conversion.

Today I went out to lunch with one of my best friends-a friend for almost 50 years. She has a advertisement for Hillary pins on her front dashboard.

I don't even know where to begin.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (rmw+9)

499 Hot Tamales is cultural appropriation!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (Nwg0u)

500 Nood,
just got finished a chess game and there it was.

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (3wHFl)

501 482
I don't see the point of attacking the #NeverTrumpers and accusing them of getting Hillary elected.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (Ozsfq)

The only real point is fair play. These are the people that told you, over and over again to hold your nose and vote for 'whoever" they chose because you don't want Obama to be President do you, or You don't want another four years of Obama do you. I'm tired of being angry about who is being nominated. It's about time they were angry about who is being nominated. That's the only reason to say that, other than it's incredibly enjoyable.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (qGQUx)

502 476 Anyone belonging to a group called The Race, is a racist by definition. Am I a racist for observing this?
===

Only if you're white and have an R after your name.

If you're a wise lantinoh activist judge or even SCOTUS appointed by a D, it's all good.

Our wise latino overlords will be kind and merciful.

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (Ffw22)

503 She has a advertisement for Hillary pins on her front dashboard.

I don't even know where to begin.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 05:56 PM (rmw+9)

A baseball bat would be a good begining

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (Ozsfq)

504 The idea that people's race may affect their judgment in certain cases really shouldn't be controversial. Trump is not "liberal" in this case because he's applying the rules to a racial minority, instead of the increasingly hysterical leftist "white privilege is everywhere" talk through Obama's second term.

Let's not kid ourselves that Cruz-style "we're not biased, we just love the Constitution!" conservatism was ever gonna really pan out, or that it had a ton of non-white supporters anyway.

Posted by: Observer at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (amQdW)

505 A baseball bat would be a good beginning

Maybe if you're talking about her front dashboard and not my friend.

I'm going to bludgeon to death my friend of 50 years?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (rmw+9)

506 I'm going to bludgeon to death my friend of 50 years?

Meh. You had a good run.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus with an itch at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (rwI+c)

507 "Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 05:53 PM (QDnY+) "

Yeah, thanks for a four paragraph reply to my 'incoherent' post. Glad I could give you an outlet for your sneering condescension. That must be a pretty key part of your self-conception that you pretend doesn't exist - you know, being an asshole to people online. I bet it makes you feel real warm and cozy when you go to bed. I sure showed that other guy on the internet what for! And I'd hate to rob you of that feeling that so you clearly need - your imagined superiority to the legions of online dullards that need your sage wisdom to function is the best security blanket on the planet. What kind of person would I be to deny you that?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (kumBu)

508 505 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (rmw+9)

We never said hit her in the head or teeth....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (g8Hfr)

509 Doing yeoman's work, Ace!

Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (2mC6G)

510 Let's not kid ourselves that Cruz-style "we're not
biased, we just love the Constitution!" conservatism was ever gonna
really pan out, or that it had a ton of non-white supporters anyway.

Posted by: Observer at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (amQdW)

You just splattered unicorn blood on the white carpet of their ideology.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (qGQUx)

511 And if it makes you feel better, if Trump loses and Hillary wins and America instantly bursts into a pillar of flame, you can blame me. My one vote would have changed everything.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (kumBu)

512 Paul Ryan is going to wrap himself in a Fenian Flag and start singing "Black and Tans"...then recall his Irish ancestors drunken invasion of Canada in 1866. I think some of them did end up in Wisconsin if I remember...

Just kidding...I could not help it...sorry.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (KhJh8)

513 417:

"I'm so pessimistic that I think the country is already destroyed.

The USA is in that postmortem stage where the hair and fingernails of the corpse are still growing. That's about it."

I'm kind of there. We'll see if taking down the Republican collaborators can change our opinions any. The best I can muster is 'maybe.' The United States likely is beyond fucked at this stage.

I'm about spent on this Two Minutes of Hate, but just want to make an observation. Republican senators and other elected officials routinely used to pose as they received special awards from La Raza. Usually the plaques were for their assistance with the Reconquista via mass amnesty. La Raza even was more open about its revanchist goals a few years back.

Related. Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies reported, also a few years back, that Republican officeholders and Bush cabinet officials begged an envoy from the Mexican government privately to "send more" illegals. This particular Mexican official was appalled and went public, but of course it wasn't reported widely.

If Trump wins this thing all the better. If he has pulled the pillars out of the Thing called the GOP, mission accomplished either way.

Now off to watch coverage of The.First.Woman.Ever. Corks flying, glitter, gleeful reporters. No doubt a lesbian folk singer somewhere.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (9EIfi)

514
It's a bad argument, in my opinion. I'm all in for Trump, but I can see why he's a bridge too far for some.

Yeah, exactly. Leave people to their own vote.

Gary Johnson thinks jewish bakers should be forced to bake nazi wedding cakes.

Well that's my problem with the Libertarian Party: its not that they are inconsistent so much. All of us have lines where we draw and believe the government ought to be involved or not. Libertarians aren't pure anarchists who wish no government at all.

They just pick stupid places to draw the line, in what seems to be just utterly arbitrary. In what way is freedom advanced by compelling bakers to make cakes?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (39g3+)

515 "The only real point is fair play. These are the people that told you, over and over again to hold your nose and vote for 'whoever" they chose because you don't want Obama to be President do you, or You don't want another four years of Obama do you. I'm tired of being angry about who is being nominated. It's about time they were angry about who is being nominated. That's the only reason to say that, other than it's incredibly enjoyable.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (qGQUx) "

I can respect this. If you're just doing it as a 'good for the goose/good for the gander' bit of schadenfreude, then go to town. I would never want to deny someone all of the joy that can be gained by finally getting to rub someone else's face in it.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:07 PM (kumBu)

516 Hold on, I don't get this.
The conservative commentariat at large amply condemned Maureen Dowd's comments about Thomas as racist. They very much complained about Sotomayor saying her race makes her more of an asset to the Supreme Court than a white person. These were things that pissed us all off back in the day.

If the point is that the media is applying a double standard to Trump vs. these liberals, then yes, I agree. Also, the sun rises in the east.

But why are you calling out conservatives who are calling Trump's comments beyond the pale and distancing themselves from them? Seems to me they are entirely consistent in their philosophy: if you claim to know what's in someone's mind because of the color of their skin, that's not consistent with conservative principles. I'm not talking statistics here. I'm talking about judging the fairness, or lack thereof, of an individual based on broad trends. You can say that a judge is more likely to vote democratic if he's of Mexican descent, but what proof do you have that this particular judge votes democratic and will be biased against Trump?
If you mention his involvement in all kinds of legal societies as evidence of his potential bias, then to me, that's absolutely fair play, and many people here have done that.

But that's not what Trump has done.

He's said "he's Mexican, and he's been so unfair to me". not "he's part of the La Raza organization, and he's been so unfair to me". There's a huge difference. One speaks to genetics, the other speaks to an active involvement. Trump's choice to word it as the former is not the kind of rhetoric I want to see from a "conservative" party nominee.

But then, Ace frames it well: Trump is conventionally liberal.

So why defend Trump?

I don't understand.

Posted by: CMGFrenchy at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (57Kc0)

517 I'm going to bludgeon to death my friend of 50 years?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (rmw+9)

buzzion and grammie winger weren't enough for you?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (P8951)

518 Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (qGQUx) "

I would lay money down you were a #NeverJeb.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (MNgU2)

519 The better Irish analogy to a la raza judge would be Sinn Fein and NORAID.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (dXvBJ)

520 "It always saddens me that 'conservatives' shit on people like Johnson because - GHASP - he wants to legalize pot."

Nothing says "committed minarchist libertarian" quite like picking a VP who is a gun-grabbing former governor of liberal fever swamp Assholechusetts.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (noWW6)

521 But that's not what Trump has done.

Posted by: CMGFrenchy at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (57Kc0)

It really depends on what you think about Trump. If you are like Ace who loves to play Chief inspector Dreyfus to Trump's Clouseau then you'll just assume it's all blind luck as he defeats the media, the GOP, and so far anybody else that has cared to take him on, but if you're Scott Adams and believe that he's an evil genius then things will look different.
If he is manipulating this for maximum effect then he'll build momentum. He'll let them build the story, and chum the waters and stir up the interest of the public, so that when he takes it from them they won't be able to just drop it. They'll be forced to explain in detail what La Raza means and what it stands for to the general public. I personally don't know what to think of Trump anymore. I can't decide if he's evil genius or a moron. I guess we'll wait and see.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (qGQUx)

522 The country is already ruined. Anyone who can't see that is part of the problem.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 05:52 PM (ClpZf)

A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (vBeA5)

523 "Today I went out to lunch with one of my best friends-a friend for
almost 50 years. She has a advertisement for Hillary pins on her front
dashboard. I don't even know where to begin."

I had old friends of very long standing whom I stopped visiting and talking with after our paths had diverged too far politically. I'll probably never see any of them again. Other than by occasional happenstance. No regrets.

If I hadn't done that, I would have had to confess to myself that my core beliefs regarding politics were shallow and trivial. They're not.

Politics matter. Intensely. Politics have a huge impact on real people's lives in the real world. Including negative impacts. It's not like a friend's taste in entertainment or sports teams. Politics are different.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (noWW6)

524 518
Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (qGQUx) "

I would lay money down you were a #NeverJeb.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (MNgU2)
Only half right. #neveranotherbushorclinton

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (qGQUx)

525 A little mood music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (vBeA5)

Hahaha...Old drunk ass Jimmy Morrison. Way ahead of his time pulling his peepee out for all to see in Miami. He's still dead I hope.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (ej1L0)

526 "516...Posted by: CMGFrenchy at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (57Kc0)"

==================================

In war you don't worry about morality, you just win. This is a cold war for the soul of American and Western Civilization. Do national borders matter, does the rule of law matter, citizenship matter, or does social justice make all that void. I don't think politics that worked in a time of social stability and peace at home are effective now if you believe in the former.

So when Paul Ryan, for example, is critical like he was it is unhelpful for those who are in the National Sovereignty camp, and it gives aid to those who belong to the social justice camp. Ryan never seems to be critical like that of La Raza...or any social justice group.

Yet he is of Trump. Don't need that when you are in a fight for America. It is beyond politics and winning a few extra voters in some subset of a ethnic group now...and Ryan does not get that. Saying Trump is a racist, while saying nothing about the group the Judge belongs to called "The Race" says a lot about how he wants to like him. Who he sides with, and will side with when the chips are down.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (KhJh8)

527 What I say (when forced to interact with liberals and their pieties) is that I prefer to treat individuals as individuals and not make generalizations.

But if we are going to speak of groups, and generalize about them, am I permitted only to discuss the positive generalizations about their favorite groups?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (k8tEg)

528 519 The better Irish analogy to a la raza judge would be Sinn Fein and NORAID.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (dXvBJ)

-----------------------------------------------------------------

True...

Posted by: William Eaton at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (KhJh8)

529 Ace, you'd be making a great point if it wasn't Trump at the center of it. You've written a few very lengthy posts on this for 2 days. And the point is a good one. But you see all Trump says is "Mexican", and then leaves supporters, and you, to spend quite a bit of time explaining it for him. Who wants to spend this kind of energy explaining these things away for him. If he wants to make a point on this, I'd be fine with defending this stance, but he does not even try to make the point you are making. Carrying his water has got to get annoying. Also, if he was making a similar observation about a different case, I might be more inclined to throw him a bone here. But he's making this point regarding his case, his shitty Trump University. He could argue a whole variety of issues he raises that people might disagree with should be cause for all kinds of people to remove themselves from overseeing this case.

Posted by: Chuck55 at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (mzGOX)

530 You can't always trust your memory ref Rodney King trial so I did a search for Simi Valley jury and this is what I found:

More good news for the defense came in November when Judge Weisberg decided to schedule the trial in Simi Valley, a conservative and predominantly white city set amidst the rolling hills of Ventura County. Prosecutors immediately understood the significance of the transfer to Simi Valley. Chief Deputy of the Special Investigations Division in the District Attorney's Office, Roger Gunson, said later about hearing the news: "I have never been so horrified in my life."

Posted by: ADK46er at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (AZ08z)

531 You may disagree with Trump's Standard Liberal Take on Race Essentialism.

_________________________________

What take on race essentialism???? Trumps assessment was not made based upon the judge's pigment, but based on his public associations with a racist organizations committed to providing scholarships to illegal aliens (and possibly the reconquista of the southwest) and to another organization that released a press release just last year promoting attacks on Trump's financial interest. Oh, and he is an Obama appointee too. Oh, and Trump as actually watch this judge give Trump ruling after ruling that Trump thinks are prejudicial and based on bias.

A judge should recuse himself whenever there is a perception of bias (except in a Presidential election year, I guess.)

So yeah, "race essentialism" my ass.

Posted by: tommylotto at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (A3a8d)

532 CBS is a "rally"? Who knew?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 07, 2016 05:35 PM (C9pBZ)

According to Politico, Trump told his rally in San Diego, "The judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican..."

Now, he did go on to say, "...which is great. I think that's fine. You know what? I think the Mexicans are going to love Donald Trump when I give all these jobs, OK?"

Now, in the second part of the quote, I am not sure if he's talking about Americans of Mexican descent (like Curiel) or if he's talking about actual Mexicans (i.e.: people who live in Mexico), but trying to parse Trumpian word-salads is not my forte. (Also, the president "gives" jobs to people? Sounds conservative to me!)

I don't think Trump is a racist. But, like so many things, he tries to have it both ways: he mentions the judge "who happens to be Mexican," and then in the very next breath says, "That's great!" People at the rally get to hear what they want to hear and cheer either way.

Posted by: FeelThePaine at June 07, 2016 08:49 PM (sIJdM)

533 he tries to have it both ways: he mentions the
judge "who happens to be Mexican," and then in the very next breath
says, "That's great!" People at the rally get to hear what they want to
hear and cheer either way.

Posted by: FeelThePaine at June 07, 2016 08:49 PM (sIJdM)

Obama Style.

Posted by: Mimzey at June 07, 2016 09:11 PM (aRUb8)

534 L'affaire Curiel Perfectly Illustrates Cuckservatism
Every major insight from the Neo-reactionary essay The Dark
Enlightenment has been crystallized to its purest form in a matter of
days. Neo-reactionaries believe that the country will continue to move
to the left. This happens because every policy that isn't liberal is
torpedoed by criticizing it as openly or secretly racist. Then,
conservatives attempt to modify the policy or accede to the criticism.

But why would conservatives, who are constantly rambling about their
principles, give up on conservative policies time and time again?
Because they have fetishized the racial dialectic into the core of their
own philosophy. This started after GOP apparatchiks regretted the loss
of the African American voting block in the aftermath of Civil Rights
Era. In the last few days, the absurdity has reached its zenith. The
conservative intelligentsia is mischaracterizing what Trump said about
Judge Curiel to denounce Trump as racist. But in doing so, they are
denying, excusing, and apologizing for the actual racist organization La
Raza and Judge Curiel's affiliation with it. ...
https://bitbucket.org/snippets/MicaiahBrowning/5KnXo

Posted by: MicaiahBrowning at June 07, 2016 11:56 PM (VsMX9)

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