Alliance of Prigs and Profiteers Teams Up to Ban E-Cigs

A "Baptist-bootlegger" alliance, John Tierney calls it, of the kind that conspired together to keep Prohibition on the books -- the Baptists hated the sin of drink, and the bootleggers loved the profit of smuggling illegal, and ergo pricey, liquor.

Now the new prigs -- the left, determined to ban any habit they don't personally enjoy -- is teaming up with cigarette companies to regulate e-cigs out of existence.

Note that partly due to the e-cig, only 15% of the public now smokes-- the lowest fraction ever. And that's the biggest one-year decline ever.

I take this personally. I quit smoking largely thanks to the e-cig. I had quit smoking before, usually for a year or longer, but would have that one bad week where I just felt like smoking and then blam, a week later, I'm back up to a pack and a half a day (and moving towards two packs).

That doesn't happen with the e-cig. If I want nicotine, if I'm really craving it, I have a near-perfect substitute with no ill health effects. So I don't backslide.

Essentially, leftist moralist prigs -- who really should find some stupid left-wing god and get into religion and stop trying to force their quasireligion of leftist morality on us -- are teaming up with Big Tobacco to get smokers to begin filling themselves with cancer and heart disease again.

And this is what we call "government" -- powerful forces of money and Satanic morality teaming up to affirmatively murder people.

BTW: I'm greatly reducing my nicotine intake because i discovered it did have a health consequence -- it was a key trigger for my panic. Made me anxious and sometimes spurred panic episodes.

But I'm now taking care of that, but reducing the e-cig's nicotine content down to the lowest level they routinely sell. 6 mg, or ml, or whatever. It's six of whatever.

But I guess the US government, which for years has given people diabetes and obesity with completely-wrong dietary advice, is now determined to murder them with cancer and heart disease as well.

Government is what we name the things we do together -- like waging perpetual war on each other.

Posted by: Ace at 01:24 PM

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1 It takes a democrat...

to argue weed is great and water vapor is a toxin.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 01:20 PM (g8Hfr)

2 well sven they don't enjoy nicotine so obviously you shouldn't either

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:20 PM (dciA+)

3 he said as he puffed his delicious custard-flavored vape

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:21 PM (dciA+)

4 This calls for some Big Sugar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sa52DhwjPw

Posted by: I'm her silver dollar at June 02, 2016 01:22 PM (2WoCi)

5 It's for the children!!11!

Posted by: wooga at June 02, 2016 01:22 PM (OF+yo)

6 I quit years ago, and if I'd had e-cigs, it would have taken a lot less time to do it.

They're proving once again that the operative word for every one of their schemes is "control".

Now don't get me wrong, I hate all the vape stores popping up. But I'm not going to go be a big fucking baby about it and try to get the government to shut it down.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (V40IZ)

7 F everyone. I'm off all of it.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (oqhrS)

8 Where is your false God now?

Posted by: Ramses at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (HiXF9)

9 My brother managed to quit smoking by using e-cigs, he cut back the nic levels slowly over a couple of months and finally gave it up after forty years.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (39g3+)

10 Remember how we added poison to home brews we confiscated, sold it and killed 50,000 Americans and blinded many more during Prohibition?

Good times.

Posted by: The IRS at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (OJKE+)

11 All the left is baby-boomers with daddy issues trying to outlaw the things their parents took pleasure in: alcohol, tobacco, red meat, football...

Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (O7MnT)

12 Dig down deep into leftist motives and it's ALWAYS about control.

(And this is just motivating me to do what I've always toyed with, which is either take up e-cigs or a pipe.)

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (PjWy4)

13 Those candy cigarettes we enjoyed as children have been banned in New York City. The hardest part is, I don't know if it's the smoking analogy or the sugar content that got them banned.

Posted by: Qoheleth at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (iIzG7)

14 Aaaand yet they want everyone to be smoking marijuana, and here in CO the activists are pushing for the right to smoke in parks and other public places.

Because cool people smoke weed or something.
F'ing hypocrites.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (NOIQH)

15 Why not just dip? Except for having to spit, it is practically unnoticeable.

Posted by: DaveKinNC at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (/NgNT)

16 But can you flick your e-cig in a guy's face? Or put it out in someone's drink?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (eaOgU)

17 Think of all the things that the Left has moral outrage over and moves to ban, then think of all the things they don't.

Posted by: The Horta at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (3hIZX)

18 Yeah, it's time for an eye exam. Yesterday it was "chicken bukkake," now I thought that read "Prigs & Poofters."

Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (7HtZB)

19 Ace:

"who really should find some stupid left-wing god and get into religion and stop trying to force their quasireligion of leftist morality on us"

No, no. Leftists know you can't ever legislate morality. (Wasn't it Bork who said we actually legislate little else?) They're just looking out for us. We should give them more power.

Posted by: JPS at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (mH5lL)

20 Cigarettes killed my Uncle Joe
We knew one day they'd get 'im.
He bent over in the street to pick one up
And a bus went by and hit 'im.

/Mike Cross

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (mvenn)

21 >>I hate all the vape stores popping up.

just curious -- why do you hate them?

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (dciA+)

22 Well,the big tobacco companies have E-cigs too.They want to kill the competition with the help of the FDA.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (B48dK)

23 "Government" is just another way to refer to the things we do to you!

Posted by: H Clintong at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (wYnyS)

24 And this is what we call "government" -- powerful forces of money and
Satanic morality teaming up to affirmatively murder people.

Welcome to our team, Ace

Posted by: Libertarians at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (uAvJJ)

25 Funny how old, hippie stoners "suddenly" have become the Nazis of the 21st century, ain't it?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (wtvvX)

26 Here's something that's not fucked up:

https://www.periscope.tv/murphypak/1OdJrmvLdbXGX

Well, the rocket sorta is.

Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (zoehZ)

27 >>>(And this is just motivating me to do what I've always toyed with, which is either take up e-cigs or a pipe.)

um, if you don't smoke or use nicotine now, do not start now as some kind of rebellion. there are better rebellions available than to cultivate an addiction with deleterious health consequences.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (dciA+)

28 Actually, I don't think it's Big Tobacco that are after ecigs; after all, they are a major manufacturer of them.

However, Big Pharma is losing all kinds of money because vaping, being cheaper, has driven down demand for nicotine gum and patches. Thus the demands for the FDA to intervene and regulate.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:26 PM (uiwCw)

29 18 Yeah, it's time for an eye exam. Yesterday it was "chicken bukkake," now I thought that read "Prigs & Poofters."
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (7HtZB)

Your vision problem seems to have a certain unifying characteristic.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 01:26 PM (PjWy4)

30 It takes a democrat...

to argue weed is great and water vapor is a toxin.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 01:20 PM (g8Hfr)

This.

Of course, like every other government initiative, it has nothing to do with health, safety, well being or anything else.

E-cigs are a rapidly growing industry and money maker that evolved in response to government taxes and regulations on a competing product. So, naturally, as cigarette tax "revenues" decline, government will not tolerate it's sweet, sweet cash going somewhere else.

Alas, the companies it once vilified are now it's partners.

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (71OEY)

31 2 Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:20 PM (dciA+)

Yup, it was never about health it was about control.

When I die I owe my smoking grandparents and mom's boyfriend an apology.

As a child I argued that the bans were a good overall.

Grandpa warned me it was a foot in the door.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (g8Hfr)

32 11 All the left is baby-boomers with daddy issues trying to outlaw the things their parents took pleasure in: alcohol, tobacco, red meat, football...
Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:23 PM (O7MnT)

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Your generalization is stupid. Now get off my fucking lawn!

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (Fmupd)

33 @ace

The crappy signs, mostly.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (V40IZ)

34 >>>9 My brother managed to quit smoking by using e-cigs, he cut back the nic levels slowly over a couple of months and finally gave it up after forty years.

in my update I added that I've cut my nic level with an eye to eventually abandoning the drug entirely (except for those occasional I-need-one occasions).

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (dciA+)

35 Funny how old, hippie stoners "suddenly" have become the Nazis of the 21st century, ain't it?

This does not come as any surprise to anyone who understands the Progressive impulse.

Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (O7MnT)

36 Local news also recently did a story on the hot new trend of smoking tobacco via hookahs. IIRC, the smoker is exposed to a higher concentration/overall intake of nicotine. But it's cool and multicultural 'n sh#t, so the scolds aren't banning it.
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.
Yet?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (NOIQH)

37 What's left after they ban e-cigs?

Nicotine suppositories?

Posted by: jwest at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (Zs4uk)

38 HEY! YOU!
GET OFFA YOUR CLOUD!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (wtvvX)

39 But I'm now taking care of that, but reducing the e-cig's nicotine content down to the lowest level they routinely sell. 6 mg, or ml, or whatever. It's six of whatever.

Ace, you can drop it even further, to 3mg. And cheaper if you mix your own at home. I order premix and flavor online then make my own juice. Just run a search for DIY eJuice.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (uiwCw)

40 >>>Actually, I don't think it's Big Tobacco that are after ecigs; after all, they are a major manufacturer of them.

they want to put the small players out of business by having the FDA charge 2-10 million bucks to test each new product -- only Big tobacco will survive that.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (dciA+)

41 27 >>>(And this is just motivating me to do what I've always toyed with, which is either take up e-cigs or a pipe.)

um, if you don't smoke or use nicotine now, do not start now as some kind of rebellion. there are better rebellions available than to cultivate an addiction with deleterious health consequences.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (dciA+)

Bah. The stress, obesity, and family history of stroke will get me first. Besides, I don't drink so I need a vice aside from potato chips.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (PjWy4)

42 However, Big Pharma is losing all kinds of money because vaping, being cheaper, has driven down demand for nicotine gum and patches. Thus the demands for the FDA to intervene and regulate.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:26 PM (uiwCw)

You know, it must feel pretty bad to be the scientist/researchers who spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a product to stop people from smoking, have the result be only partially successful, and then have some dude come along and say "Why not just make cigarettes but without all the harmful stuff?"

Posted by: Pope Frankie at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (KUaJL)

43 >>>
Ace, you can drop it even further, to 3mg. And cheaper if you mix your own at home. I order premix and flavor online then make my own juice. Just run a search for DIY eJuice.

maybe in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (dciA+)

44 I can't stand cigarette smoke but vaping was pretty much without consequence near me. It looks kind of ridiculous, like you're Mr Howell with the cigarette holder, but at least its not puking the byproduct of your habit all over everyone else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (39g3+)

45 The biggest sin is to not pay taxes to the government.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (77emZ)

46 So the place where I work of course is smoke-free indoors. And has since decided vapes are not allowed indoors. And get this, neither is chewing tobacco.

Such stupid. El Stupido Supremo.

I know damn well the second hand smoke research is bogus, but I also happen to know there is no such thing as a threat from second hand spit.

Nazis gotta nazi. That's all there is to it, and of course big tobacco's nicotine stained fingers are NOT clean.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (TOk1P)

47 >>>> a week later, I'm back up to a pack and a half a day (and moving towards two packs).
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Wow, Ace, that's a pretty serious habit. My dad was a pack a day smoker and it seemed like he was always smoking.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2016 01:29 PM (6IPEM)

48 Off commie pope sock

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 02, 2016 01:29 PM (KUaJL)

49 >>>Bah. The stress, obesity, and family history of stroke will get me first. Besides, I don't drink so I need a vice aside from potato chips.

dude smoking is really bad. take it from a former smoker who began to have chest pains and all sorts of problems.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:29 PM (dciA+)

50 then have some dude come along and say "Why not just make cigarettes but without all the harmful stuff?"

Oh, they're still harmful, just not nearly as bad as sucking burning material and smoke into your lungs. What surprises me is how few THC vape products are out there yet.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (39g3+)

51 It's the taxes.

Cigarette smoking is down, so revenue from the cigarette taxes is down. The cigarette tax is supposed to help pay for "health care", so the government has to get people smoking again so that it can have the tax money to take care of the smokers when they get sick.

And btw, my father in law was a 2-3 pack a day smoker, now he has emphysema, and all the associated health care costs of having that. Portable oxygen machine? $1500.

Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (1JnAL)

52 How toxic to the body are the chemicals in vaping versus the chemicals they put in one's body as part of gender transitioning?

Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (O7MnT)

53 As Insty is fond of writing, not enough opportunities for graft.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (p2X2f)

54 >> @ace

The crappy signs, mostly.

...

are the signs for "LOTTERY HERE" and "ONE HOUR MARTINIZING" any better?

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (dciA+)

55 Pipe smoking is actually relatively harmless unless you're packing five -ten bowls a day. No tobacco touches your lips (vice cigars, dipping) and much less inhaling of smoke (vice cigs more like cigars). Plus it's so leisurely you really can't smoke that much unless you have a shitload of time to kill - not like chain-smoking where you can suck the flame right to your lips in seconds, pipes just can't work that fast.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (eaOgU)

56 I know damn well the second hand smoke research is bogus, but I also happen to know there is no such thing as a threat from second hand spit.

Its pretty repulsive, is all.

And the "second hand smoke" stuff was way overblown but deliberately sucking smoke into your lungs is never a good idea. Barbecue, whatever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (39g3+)

57 28 Actually, I don't think it's Big Tobacco that are after ecigs; after all, they are a major manufacturer of them.

However, Big Pharma is losing all kinds of money because vaping, being cheaper, has driven down demand for nicotine gum and patches. Thus the demands for the FDA to intervene and regulate.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:26 PM (uiwCw)

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This and taxes. We have to remember that it's tobacco smokers that are funding children's health care.

It all comes back to the money needed to support socialism.

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (Fmupd)

58 Gummint is a self-perpetuating racket.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (3hIZX)

59 However, Big Pharma is losing all kinds of money because vaping, being cheaper, has driven down demand for nicotine gum and patches. Thus the demands for the FDA to intervene and regulate.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:26 PM (uiwCw)

****

....and the lost Fed tax revenue, but mainly the lost tax revenue.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (f21+8)

60 Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (dciA+)

With subohm, 6mg has become the highest mic level a lot of brands sell (I'm down to 12mg myself)

Posted by: The dude at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (xR+lz)

61 I miss the Martinizing signs. Never see em these days.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

62 Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:31 PM (dciA+)
Personally, I prefer

"CHECKS CASHED"

"PAY DAY LOANS"

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (wYnyS)

63 >>The crappy signs, mostly.

WE ACCEPT EBT

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (OxUnq)

64 Limbaugh's been pointing out for years how the government WANTS YOU TO SMOKE.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (3hIZX)

65 51
Cigarette smoking is down, so revenue from the cigarette taxes is down. The cigarette tax is supposed to help pay for "health care", so the government has to get people smoking again so that it can have the tax money to take care of the smokers when they get sick.

Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (1JnAL)

Old and busted: Self-licking ice cream cone

New hotness: Self-smoking cigarette

Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (zoehZ)

66 36 Local news also recently did a story on the hot new trend of smoking tobacco via hookahs. IIRC, the smoker is exposed to a higher concentration/overall intake of nicotine. But it's cool and multicultural 'n sh#t, so the scolds aren't banning it.
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Yet?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 02, 2016 01:27 PM (NOIQH)

Muslims will probably open up hookah joints in mosques as a way to get the young hipsters into the place.

Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at June 02, 2016 01:33 PM (1JnAL)

67 One Hour Martinizing is scam, Jerry!

Posted by: Kramer at June 02, 2016 01:33 PM (OxUnq)

68 I smoke a pipe when I feel like smoking.Pretty infrequently.Sometimes a cigar instead.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2016 01:33 PM (B48dK)

69 Pipe smoking is actually relatively harmless unless you're packing five -ten bowls a day.

It can be really destructive to your throat and mouth, but less so than other forms, I agree.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (39g3+)

70 So the unfortunate incident involving a discharge of a gaseous/liquidic nature may have involved nicotine? As a big time caffeine consumer this is good news.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (FtrY1)

71 Ace, what kind of mod & rta you using?

Posted by: The dude at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (xR+lz)

72 There is a third pillar in your baptist-bootlegger theory. Big pharma has had their "patch" sales plummet by people quitting with e-cigs. They are a huge sponsor of this rule.

Their also killing the hand rolled cigar industry. Every new blend has to be tested, etc costs 2 mil. Essentially the FDA wants to limit the nicotine market to machine made cigarettes and prescription patches/gum/lozenge only. You know, go back to the dark ages.

Posted by: elfletcho at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (kLMJg)

73 I have actually tried a lot of different methods for quitting (the patch, lozenges) and the e-cig was by far the best. Unlike the others, I did/do not even WANT a regular cigarette.

Posted by: The Correlation=Causation guy at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (3ZoRf)

74 On the other hand marijuana smoke has absolutely no ill health effects. None whatsoever. The science is settled. So don't even bring it up cuz we don't want to talk about it.

Posted by: Anti-Smoking Society of Liberal Prig's at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (1BQGO)

75 So how long before we find out that the anti-tobacco lobby is bank rolling the anti-vape campaigns, not because it fits in anyway with their core message, but because it poses a risk to their gravy train?

Or have we already found this out and I missed it?

Posted by: Cantankerous at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (326rv)

76 >>Muslims will probably open up hookah joints in mosques as a way to get the young hipsters into the place.

We have a couple of hookah lounges in town. It's a college hipster thing, so no banning. Now if it were white, blue collar types doing this....?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (NOIQH)

77 I have been a smoker on and off for years. I recently got a prescription for Chantix. You keep smoking for the first week of taking it and it really works. The smell of smoke began to nauseate me and it worked kind of like antibuse does for alcoholics.

Here is the problem - I began to have very vivid nightmares that would wake me up throughout the night in a cold sweat. The lack of sleep contributed to my chronic migraines and I had to stop taking it.

Going for e-cigs next.

Posted by: Cheri at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (oiNtH)

78 >>>So the unfortunate incident involving a discharge of a gaseous/liquidic nature may have involved nicotine? As a big time caffeine consumer this is good news.

a mix, yeah.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (dciA+)

79 I'll never stop smoking, no matter what the government does or says. If I wanted my salmon sauteed or my turkey baked, I'd be in the damn kitchen instead of out here by the barbecue.

They come for my brisket, it's gonna turn into a shooting war.

Posted by: Qoheleth at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (iIzG7)

80 >>So the unfortunate incident involving a discharge of a gaseous/liquidic nature

We still talking about Jane's Husband?

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (OxUnq)

81 Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (f21+

In the long run, the only things that matter to government are control, taxes, and graft!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (wYnyS)

82 A couple of decades ago I used Metabolife 365 to drop 40 pounds. The government went after them hammer and tong. Wouldn't it be great if the government realized that we're adults and can make informed decisions without them?

Posted by: IanDeal at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (fVIcq)

83 I would say that at least 80% of leftist asshattery is this:

https://youtu.be/fFyHTU8tg_0

They just enjoy pushing people around.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (QHgTq)

84 Around here, its the crappy pot store signs that are flying up all over. Eventually the market will kill the stores, they can't possibly all have enough business to stay open but they're freaking everywhere now and they are so cheap and cheesy its sort of comical. Pot leaf, words. Buy weed here! Cheap shelves with jars on them, no decorations, no attempt at any marketing. White guy with dreds behind the counter.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (39g3+)

85 >>On the other hand marijuana smoke has absolutely no ill health effects.
None whatsoever. The science is settled. So don't even bring it up cuz
we don't want to talk about it.

Hey, man, it cures cancer!! It makes you healthier!

Posted by: Stoner neighbor at June 02, 2016 01:36 PM (NOIQH)

86 Posted by: Cheri at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (oiNtH)

Common occurrence with Chantrix. Also tends to lead to suicide

Posted by: The dude at June 02, 2016 01:36 PM (xR+lz)

87 I quit about 5 months ago with the help of e-cigs.

If Peter Thiel wants to help I'll be happy to sue whoever wants to take them away.

Posted by: x at June 02, 2016 01:36 PM (nFwvY)

88 @ace

Probably not. But as of right now, I think we're up to a vape shop per block in my neighborhood. And they all have the same crummy neon signs and Christmas lights in the windows.

It's just an aesthetic I don't care for. If a bodega is interesting, I guess I mostly don't care how many lottery signs it has.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will proceed to yell at clouds and kids.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 01:36 PM (V40IZ)

89 Stupid but related question:

What does nicotine gum actually taste like?

Is there really tobacco flavored gum?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (p2X2f)

90 >>> I have actually tried a lot of different methods for quitting (the patch, lozenges) and the e-cig was by far the best. Unlike the others, I did/do not even WANT a regular cigarette.

i did want the regular cigarette until i beat the psychological addition -- which kept telling me "But a real cigarette is BETTER, somehow!" -- by reading The Easy Way to Quit Smoking by Alan Carr.

Now actually he recommends full cold-turkey and just getting off nicotine completely, which I actually did do (more or less).

But I backslid.

Only this time, I backslid not onto cigarettes but on to vaping.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (dciA+)

91 This is like the sodium business, which is ridiculous. The function of the kidneys is to maintain blood osmolarity and pH. Eat too much salt, you pee out the excess salt. Drink too much water - so lowering blood osmolarity - you pee out the excess water.

Duh.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (oKE6c)

92 Even Donald "Duck" Dunn quit smoking his pipe. I'll still have a cigar from time to time, but that's it.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (V40IZ)

93 Ace, I want to congratulate you on the progress you've made in quitting smoking. I know it's not easy, since there are a few of the guys in my husband's unit who have switched to e-cigs to try to quit.

Posted by: pookysgirl at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (K27gs)

94 dude smoking is really bad. take it from a former smoker who began to have chest pains and all sorts of problems.

Posted by ace

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Much of that is hereditary. Much like people who seem to gain two pounds for every pound of food they eat.

But we won't hear anything about that because it doesn't fit the narrative and it won't perpetuate the state's control over behavior.

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (Fmupd)

95 It's the taxes. The gov't that hates tobacco so much can't survive now without the revenue from cigarette taxes, especially at the state level Lousiana just raised the cigarette tax again, the 2nd or third time (maybe more) in the past 18 months or so, yet more and more cities are banning smoking.

LA's budget is going to be in a worse crisis if everyone stops smoking.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (UBzPO)

96 Hey they need those "sin taxes" to pay for all the other crap they waste money on. And they need you to die early to keep Obamacare afloat. Win Win

Posted by: brak at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (MJuTN)

97 The lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies that make pills for quitting smoking have a lot to do with it.
The trial lawyers that support the Dems are licking their chops over any perceived ill-effects from e-cigs. John Edwards could be back in the game.

Posted by: Hank at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (KFvpb)

98 >>>
What does nicotine gum actually taste like?

the nicorette Fruit Chill is freakin' delicious. tastes like sweet fruit gum. a little citrusy.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (dciA+)

99 some of the e-cig companies are owned by Big Tobacco

Posted by: x at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (nFwvY)

100 In the long run, the only things that matter to government are control, taxes, and graft!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 02, 2016 01:35 PM (wYnyS)

And who uses which bathroom, of course. The important stuff.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (oKE6c)

101 28 Actually, I don't think it's Big Tobacco that are after ecigs; after all, they are a major manufacturer of them.

....

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:26 PM (uiwCw)

No, they're after the upstarts taking away market share. They're throwing up *huge* barriers to entry (FDA testing and approval that only deep pockets like theirs can afford) to force the smaller companies to sell - to them - or get out of the market altogether.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (3AzgN)

102 Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (p2X2f)

Shit is repulsive which is why it has the lowest succes rate. Personally, vaping some NETs is the best way to start kicking the habit

Posted by: The dude at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (xR+lz)

103 We shouldn't Ban ALL smoking in the Boy's Room, though.

Posted by: Harry Reid (D) at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (OxUnq)

104 To anyone that thinks Big Tobacco is behind the ban and they are "major" competors in the market...LOL...nobody who takes vaping serious would ever use one.

I've vaped for 6 years now after 40+ years smoking, feel better than I have in years, and all my doctors agree after seeing my blood and other tests...

Posted by: Stosh at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (bVP4o)

105 I hope I'm not the only one, but I must confess, for some reason the word "vaping" reminds me of what Madonna was doing briefly in the 90s.

Now I don't remember what that was called, but that's what I think of when I see the word.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (TOk1P)

106 I take this personally. I quit smoking largely thanks to the e-cig. I had quit smoking before, usually for a year or longer, but would have that one bad week where I just felt like smoking and then blam, a week later, I'm back up to a pack and a half a day (and moving towards two packs).

I don't smoke but I take this personally as well because the only thing that got my brother to quit was e-cigs. He was 2 packs a day going for 3 and now he can't remember the last time he had an actual cigarette.

I think e-cigs are a miracle from on high and this notion that they must be banned because. Because why? They look like cigarettes? Is that it? It's stupid enough to be it. Anyway, this notion that they must be banned because The Children or whatever makes my palm itch to meet someone's face.

So, what, nicotine is bad? Okay, how about caffeine. My doctor and I have a disagreement about my caffeine intake. Between the anxiety and some heart issues, she thinks it should be near to zero. I think it should be near to all of it. We compromise on some and stop when your hands shake. Should caffeine be banned too? Because in sufficient quantities it will cause health problems.

It's like MADD. I loathe MADD because MADD is flat out lying about its goals. MADD is neo-prohibition disguised, badly, as anti-drunk driving. But how dare you say you loathe MADD! Do you approve of drunk driving? Let's see, I used to spend my work days looking at pictures and reading autopsy reports of people killed by drunk drivers. I'm going with no. But I disapprove of liars and MADD's end goal is, more or less, the out right prohibition of getting behind the wheel after imbibing any alcohol and, to some extent, flat out prohibition itself. Fine, take that position. But don't damn lie about it.

*throws things*

Leave me alone. Just. Leave me alone.

Hell, the old Denis Leary joke about happiness being sex, food and a smoke is now all prohibited. If you're in college, you damn well better not have the orgasm (at least with someone else) that chocolate chip cookie is not vegan and glutens and fat and sugar and holy fuck you don't really smoke do you?

*throws more things*

Posted by: alexthechick - All Your Parfait Is Belong To Me at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (mf5HN)

107 What does nicotine gum actually taste like?

Is there really tobacco flavored gum?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (p2X2f)

*****

Mint or fruit flavored.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (f21+8)

108 How toxic to the body are the chemicals in vaping versus the chemicals they put in one's body as part of gender transitioning?

Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (O7MnT)

There are essentially four ingredients you'll find in vape juice: Propylene Glycol (found in asthma inhalers) and/or Vegetable Glycerin (commonly used in making things like toothpaste). Then there's the flavor and nicotine. Usually the Vegetable Glycerin and Propylene Glycol are a blend and are customized depending on the user's preferences. The glycerin is what produces the "smoke" and the glycol is what holds the flavor. A higher ratio of glycerin to glycol produces more "smoke" but less flavor and vice versa.

So long story short, the nicotine is harmful, and the flavor may be, but no more than other artificial flavorings in food.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (uiwCw)

109 I don't think it's really an alliance with tobacco companies so much as with pharmaceutical companies who are trying to sell Nicoderm or those patches. It's their business model that's being directly threatened, after all.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (PFy0L)

110 >>This is like the sodium business, which is ridiculous. The function of
the kidneys is to maintain blood osmolarity and pH. Eat too much salt,
you pee out the excess salt. Drink too much water - so lowering blood
osmolarity - you pee out the excess water.

That, and salt plays a key role in how foods turn out - it's not just a flavoring. These idiots think they can just declare "no foods prepared with X" (or a limited amount of X) as if it has not effect.

Posted by: Stoner neighbor at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (NOIQH)

111 The left already has chosen a religion... it is worship of the state.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (3JA/M)

112
Much of that is hereditary. Much like people who seem to gain two pounds for every pound of food they eat.

This is true, some people are affected worse than others by various things. But some things are just universally bad no matter who you are, its just a question of how long and how bad it gets for you, not whether its bad for you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:39 PM (39g3+)

113 All regulation makes things worse. I think we should just accept this. Don't even argue that some regulations is good or necessary.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:40 PM (gmeXX)

114 Not to overtly defend Baptists, but liberal fascists first move in claiming an alliance over alcohol in the early 20th century is interesting, to say the least.
Proof however, seems a bit lacking.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 01:40 PM (C9pBZ)

115 1. Some people (a large enough group to constitute profitable demand) want to smoke. Cigarette companies make money.

2. Government wants more of that money, so Alinsky tactics take over- isolate, vilify... and tax the bejeezus out of it (never mind that pesky limitation that government is not permitted to selectively tax things. Something.Must.Be.Done... for the children)

Price of cigarettes skyrockets due to ever increasing taxes (NY taxes are now $4.35 per pack... just taxes... around 400% tax).

3. People start buying cigarettes across state lines and from Indian reservations. The government cracks down on "smuggling" as it watches it's foolproof income plan fail, resulting in more and more tax dollars spent on enforcement and prosecution of a "problem" that government invented. To "solve" the problem and fund expansion, government increases taxes.

4. Products that would not have been viable or profitable before enter the market, providing a healthier and cheaper (thanks to taxes) alternative.

5. Government sees it's "revenues" decline... restart from Step 2.

This is one of the countless issues on government regulation of any sort and regardless of the validity and nobleness of intention. The inevitable result is that they CREATE criminal enterprises and, if they are "successful" in their stated endeavor, we end up with a giant, bankrupt bureaucracy without purpose that must be funded into infinity because of "jobs" and unfunded pension and benefit liabilities.

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 01:41 PM (71OEY)

116 They could invent a cure for cancer and liberals would ban it because it's use was "prejudicial" or unfriendly to the environment.

One day people will learn that all governments are about taking away your individual freedoms. It's only a matter of how much.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 02, 2016 01:41 PM (O0lVq)

117 I "vaped", purely as part of a business arrangement, marijuana in Colorado a year or so ago. It was weird. The vapor was super potent, I guess, but the MJ didn't taste right, and it didn't have the "pass the joint, bro..." vibe you get from a joint. The "vaporizer" gets mega-hot, the smoke shoots into your lungs, done. You're baked. Good for a therapeutic application I guess, but not for social smoking.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 02, 2016 01:41 PM (2cS/G)

118 I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner....

Posted by: every leftist at June 02, 2016 01:41 PM (nFwvY)

119 >>*throws things*

>Leave me alone. Just. Leave me alone.

I love AtC.

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2016 01:41 PM (OxUnq)

120 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

What *is* martenizing?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 02, 2016 01:42 PM (GDulk)

121 @Lincolntf

Probably perfect for President Puff-Puff-Doesn'tpass.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (V40IZ)

122 What *is* martenizing?

Whatever it is, it only takes an hour.

Posted by: jwest at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (Zs4uk)

123 Hmmmm....PJmedia just stopped working....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (EzgxV)

124 Their also killing the hand rolled cigar industry. Every new blend has to be tested, etc costs 2 mil. Essentially the FDA wants to limit the nicotine market to machine made cigarettes and prescription patches/gum/lozenge only. You know, go back to the dark ages.
Posted by: elfletcho at June 02, 2016 01:34 PM (kLMJg)

---------------

If they kill the cigar market in the U.S., I'm moving to Cuba to enjoy at least a little bit of freedom.

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (Fmupd)

125 Why not just dip? Except for having to spit, it is practically unnoticeable.

Posted by: DaveKinNC at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (/NgNT)

Dip is as addictive as tobacco in cigarettes, maybe even moreso. You just get mouth or throat cancer instead of lung cancer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (GSdpU)

126
Personality-wise, I'm wired pretty tight. Cigarettes relax me. Relaxing or not, I've been wanting to stop but the only things I've found that work (so far)are e-cigarettes and running 2-3 miles every day. I also do roll-your-owns so it isn't convenient to take one from the pack andlight up. Down to a half-pack.

Strange so many on the Left are so pro-marijuana legalization. Is weed so much healthier to smoke than tobacco?

Posted by: troyriser at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (3Xjfq)

127

somebody just changed the UCLA killers religion on overpaid from Islam to Hindu

thats curious

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (zOTsN)

128 You just get mouth or throat cancer instead of lung cancer.

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And isn't that your God-given right.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (gmeXX)

129
>>> (And this is just motivating me to do what I've always toyed with, which is either take up e-cigs or a pipe.)

Well, Ace has already noted the deleterious effects of smoking (I, myself, think prOn to be a much more pernicious habit), but I recommend - with the caveat that, yes, it is bad for your health, but an adult should be able to choose their own poison - either a pipe or a good cigar. Both are lovely pleasures, either alone or in good company, and give you time to relax and take stock or yourself and the world.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)

130 >>>Much of that is hereditary. Much like people who seem to gain two pounds for every pound of food they eat.

you're not convinced yet that smoking has negative health effects, *except* those who by heredity are adversely affected by it?

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

131 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (GSdpU)

Better off buying Swedish snus

Posted by: The dude at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (xR+lz)

132 I bought an e-cig as a smoking supplement for times when I normally binge smoke like in Las Vegas and on business trips, and now I haven't had a real cig since I got it and only hit it once or twice a day if at all. I feel ripped off somehow.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (kfcYC)

133 The real tell in NYC was during the obligatory banning hearings. When the actual health risks were impossible to cite the nannies fell onto "the appearance of vapors will make it harder to enforce existing bans". Hell, just come out and say you don't like the look and have a big ban hammer that you are itching to use because you can rather than bullshitting all of us. Keep in mind I am no advocate. Watched my old man die of the big C and I ve had quite a few acres of Marlboro country before I quite so I assume I will go the same way. Still, getting rid of shit because you can. Well that sucks

Posted by: Mac at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (szQGH)

134 120 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

What *is* martenizing?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 02, 2016 01:42 PM (GDulk)

A form of weaseling.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (PjWy4)

135 Only this time, I backslid not onto cigarettes but on to vaping.
Posted by: ace

I've got to get Carr's book as you and other's have told me that it is really worth it.

Posted by: Cheri at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (oiNtH)

136 What *is* martenizing?

Its a dry cleaning process by a company called Martin, he came up with a safer, faster technique and patented it and trademarked the name, then franchised it. Its mostly east coast but dry cleaning is kind of dying out as newer fabrics don't need the careful cleaning.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (39g3+)

137 106
OW! Something just flew out the USB port and hit me in the head!

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (FtrY1)

138 126
Personality-wise, I'm wired pretty tight.

Posted by: troyriser at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (3Xjfq)

We hadn't noticed.

Posted by: jwest at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)

139 I hate cigarette smoke with the heat of 1000 suns. I grew up in the 60s/70s when everyone smoked. Both my parents smoked. It's partly why I hate it so much. Even so, progs are the most hypocritical people imaginable. What about "my lungs, my choice?" So, we should be free to murder our unborn babies because...choice. But don't you dare think you can choose what you want to smoke. Because they say so.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun! at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (+FSld)

140 The secret to smoking is drinking a lot of water. Your body can process all sorts of things if it is hydrated. Lay off the caffine (coffee, tea, soda) and drink water. You can thank me later. Oh, yeah, layoff the milk products, you aren't a calf.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (oDCMR)

141 Salt in foods is also a preservative. Moms will have to buy more often when they force them to lower the content.

Posted by: Hank at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (KFvpb)

142 You just get mouth or throat cancer instead of lung cancer.

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And isn't that your God-given right.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (gmeXX)

It is, but in case there is anyone out there who thinks any form of chewing tobacco is harmless... and really, if you think that, you probably don't know how to read/type, so you're not here... but in case there are, they should be informed that smokeless tobacco kills people.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (TOk1P)

143 everpedia, not overpaid

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

144 I recommend - with the caveat that, yes, it is bad for your health, but an adult should be able to choose their own poison - either a pipe or a good cigar.

This is how I reluctantly came to agree with legalizing pot. Its a bad idea, society will come to regret it, and the health effects will be awful but... you have to be free to choose your own poison.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (39g3+)

145 "the US government, which for years has given people diabetes and obesity
with completely-wrong dietary advice, is now determined to murder them
with cancer and heart disease as well."

Government exists in large part simply to kill people. Democide is one of the most popular forms of death these days.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (rznWS)

146 um, if you don't smoke or use nicotine now, do not start now as some kind of rebellion. there are better rebellions available than to cultivate an addiction with deleterious health consequences.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:25 PM (dciA+)

Some study a few years ago said that nicotine had a beneficial effect in preventing (I think) Alzheimer's disease.

So, if you want to take up vaping, wait till your an old codger.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (0cMkb)

147 Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (oDCMR)

Giving up milk & dairy is to be a heretic here in Wisconsin

Posted by: The dude at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (xR+lz)

148 >>The secret to smoking is drinking a lot of water. Your body can process all sorts of things if it is hydrated. Lay off the caffine (coffee, tea, soda) and drink water.

There's water in all of those.

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (OxUnq)

149 It is, but in case there is anyone out there who thinks any form of chewing tobacco is harmless... and really, if you think that, you probably don't know how to read/type, so you're not here... but in case there are, they should be informed that smokeless tobacco kills people.

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It is also my God-given right to be ignorant.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (gmeXX)

150 >>>I've got to get Carr's book as you and other's have told me that it is really worth it.

it's fantastic. it has a key insight that i've applied to other bad habits (like twitter or patronizing disney/marvel) -- "willpower" is ineffectual for quitting something. The only way to quit is to accept that you simply don't wish to do it any longer.

if you are convinced that the thing you wish to quit is "good" but you will summon the willpower to avoid this Great Thing, you will fail.

To quit something, you have to internalize the idea that it is undesirable.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (dciA+)

151 >>> I think e-cigs are a miracle from on high and this notion that they must be banned because. Because why? They look like cigarettes? Is that it? It's stupid enough to be it. Anyway, this notion that they must be banned because The Children or whatever makes my palm itch to meet someone's face.
....

Why not? This is exactly the same argument they use for gun control, sugar, salt, red meat, oil, gas, fracking,...

Here is the common thread we ALWAYS miss. It is NEVER about the [insert evil and must be regulated widget here]. It is about seizing money from industries that make money. Period.

No, no, sweet citizens. We don't raise taxes. Nope. Not at all. That would be unpopular and I wouldn't get reelected. We will however, regulate and fine the living shit out of anything that makes money... for the children because Something.Must.Be.Done. You demand that Something.Must.Be.Done, don't you! We'll vote for me and I will DO.SOMETHING!!! for the children.

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 01:48 PM (71OEY)

152 Oh, and Madonna? That was voguing...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 01:48 PM (C9pBZ)

153 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:43 PM (GSdpU)
It's also disgusting, I about throw up when guys spit. I will be at the rodeo tonight, everyone chews.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 02, 2016 01:48 PM (egOGm)

154 @6: "They're proving once again that the operative word for every one of their schemes is "control"."

Can't remember who originally said it, but: "With progressive causes, the goal is not the goal. The coercive means of achieving the goal is the goal."

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 02, 2016 01:48 PM (rznWS)

155 So, if you want to take up vaping, wait till your an old codger.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (0cMkb)

Or use zero nicotine ejuice.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 02, 2016 01:48 PM (uiwCw)

156 " Its mostly east coast but dry cleaning is kind of dying out as newer fabrics don't need the careful cleaning."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (39g3+)

My dry cleaner is my new best buddy.

I used to spend a couple hours every weekend ironing my shirts (I'm a bit particular on how they come out). Now, the cleaner takes everything and returns them perfectly done, just the way I like.

Posted by: jwest at June 02, 2016 01:49 PM (Zs4uk)

157 >>>I've got to get Carr's book as you and other's have told me that it is really worth it.

it's fantastic. it has a key insight that i've applied to other bad habits (like twitter or patronizing disney/marvel) -- "willpower" is ineffectual for quitting something. The only way to quit is to accept that you simply don't wish to do it any longer.

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What is this book you speak of? I have some bad habits I wish to rid myself of.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:49 PM (gmeXX)

158 Cutting out salt is idiotic. There's not only zero evidence that it contributes to heart disease, but it actually chemically alters food to have more of its flavor: it makes things taste more like they did, better. Cooking requires salt for maximum excellence. My personal preference for salt is lower than many chefs, because I want it to interact with the food, not flavor things salty. If people want more salt, they can add at the table. But this low salt kick was just stupid.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:49 PM (39g3+)

159 They are apparently showing weird videos in school about how e-cigs are bad. Or so a teacher friend told me.

Posted by: Lea at June 02, 2016 01:49 PM (lIU4e)

160 >>>What is this book you speak of? I have some bad habits I wish to rid myself of.

the easy way to quit smoking but he put out a dozen books (The easy way to quit drinking, gambling, etc.)

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:50 PM (dciA+)

161 Time for a Smoke, brb.

Posted by: garrett at June 02, 2016 01:50 PM (OxUnq)

162 If ya cut out salt, ya got no electrolytes. Salt. It's got electrolytes.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at June 02, 2016 01:50 PM (ucB75)

163 I'm kind of pissed at how the Libs have fucked up the premium cigar market. A few years after the Boom ended we were getting some amazing product here. Now it's expensive again but the demand isn't driving the price increases.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 01:50 PM (eytER)

164 Never smoked, but I have noticed an interesting effect of those smokers who take up vaping.

I guess the fact that it's got a lot of different nicotine levels available for you to choose-

places pretty squarely in the vaper's face that they are addicted to nicotine.

Every smoker i've known who goes to vaping eventually quits either by cold turkey or ratcheting nicotine concentration down to the point they give up.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (0cMkb)

165 Nice, Ace; I'm only down to 1.2% nicotine myself, 1.0% and then 0.6% are up next. I'll probably spend a while at 0% because Halo's Malibu flavor is so friggin' tasty. Assuming it still exists in the near future. Otherwise, it's back to a pack of Djarum Black clove cigarettes a day for me!

Posted by: 3.14159 at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (MaINI)

166
There's water in all of those.

Yeah, but they are diuretic: that is, they have other chemicals in them that require more water from your system to deal with, and the water your body gets as a benefit is lowered. Just plain water, ice cold, filtered, is unbelievably good. Seriously, I love the stuff and I used to only drink ice tea.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (39g3+)

167 I'd walk a mile to fuck a camel.

Posted by: Achmed Chi at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (8WLxa)

168 Personality-wise, I'm wired pretty tight.

Posted by: troyriser at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (3Xjfq)

We hadn't noticed.

Posted by: jwest at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)

Heh, jwest made a funny. Maybe there's hope for you yet.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (TOk1P)

169 To vape or not to vape...

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (laMCB)

170 I can't stand cigarette smoke but vaping was pretty much without consequence near me. It looks kind of ridiculous, like you're Mr Howell with the cigarette holder, but at least its not puking the byproduct of your habit all over everyone else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:28 PM (39g3+)

Well, yes, and also no. I remember going into a dive bar in Mesa, AZ, and some hipster douche came in, and he was vaping and exhaling huuuge! and luxurious! clouds of white vapor all over the bar. Now if the juice he was vaping contained nicotine, bystanders couldn't help but inhale some of it. Or the propylene glycol, or the whortleberry extract flavoring, or whatever. If the vapor is coming back out of his lungs, so are the components of that vapor.

I think vaping is great tool to wean oneself off tobacco. Just don't be a douche.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (GSdpU)

171 Working in healthcare for 18 years I have seen the end stages of a life of smoking and not all of those patients are what we think of as elderly. It is truly an awful way to go. I know that I have to stop not only for myself but I don't want to put my kids through the ordeal of seeing their mom on oxygen, barely able to move, etc.

The irony with quitting methods is that my insurance will buy me a strong drug such as Chantrix or Wellbutrin that have health consequences but not e-cigs. I am allergic to patches and can't stomach the gum.

I wish that I was strong enough to quit cold turkey but it never lasts past 24 hours.

Posted by: Cheri at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (oiNtH)

172 Only this time, I backslid not onto cigarettes but on to vaping.

I substituted Snus for my nicotine addiction and I've been off the butts (except for one evil-bitch-related backsliding episode) for six years.

Snus are little packets you shove under your upper lip and they give a good nicotine supply to the bloodstream.

I'm still an addict, but I'm avoiding the lung damage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (1xUj/)

173 Never smoked. I've explained to my kids that when you see so many people who would like to quit that can't, it's best to avoid the problem entirely.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 02, 2016 01:51 PM (3hIZX)

174 It is, but in case there is anyone out there who
thinks any form of chewing tobacco is harmless... and really, if you
think that, you probably don't know how to read/type, so you're not
here... but in case there are, they should be informed that smokeless
tobacco kills people.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:46 PM (TOk1P)
See, e.g., Tony Gwynn.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 01:52 PM (oKE6c)

175 but it actually chemically alters food to have more of its flavor: it makes things taste more like they did, better.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor /i]

hmmm, or rather it changes how you taste food. It fires off different receptors on your palate enhancing the sensation.

...and just for the record, no, watermelon does not taste better with salt.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2016 01:52 PM (p2X2f)

176 146---Some study a few years ago said that nicotine had a beneficial effect in preventing (I think) Alzheimer's disease.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM
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Parkinson's disease, not AFAIK Alzheimer's.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 01:52 PM (T/5A0)

177 Every smoker i've known who goes to vaping eventually quits either by cold turkey or ratcheting nicotine concentration down to the point they give up.

I did. Lowered it to the point I could use nicotine lozenges and hard candies. Form there it was just a small step to off completely.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 01:52 PM (oqhrS)

178 I used to spend a couple hours every weekend ironing my shirts (I'm a bit particular on how they come out). Now, the cleaner takes everything and returns them perfectly done, just the way I like.

If I was wealthy and went out more, I'd have super nice suits and such and get them dry cleaned, but I stay inside almost all week with few trips anywhere ever, and am poor so

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:53 PM (39g3+)

179 I'm actually thinking of taking up e-cigs because my allergies got ten times worse when I quite smoking. Other people have said that too. So, waiting for more info, but it's an idea.

Posted by: PJ at June 02, 2016 01:53 PM (cHuNI)

180 It is, but in case there is anyone out there who
thinks any form of chewing tobacco is harmless... and really, if you
think that, you probably don't know how to read/type, so you're not
here... but in case there are, they should be informed that smokeless
tobacco kills people.

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It is also my God-given right to be ignorant.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (gmeXX)

And to overstate the obvious, obviously.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:53 PM (TOk1P)

181 It's like MADD. I loathe MADD because MADD is flat out lying about its goals. MADD is neo-prohibition disguised, badly, as anti-drunk driving.

Same. Drunk driving is bad, but if you are driving fine and your blood alcohol is .2 leave it alone.

People who aren't drunk drive CRAZY all the time and never get pulled over. Why don't ya'll work on that for a while...

Posted by: Lea at June 02, 2016 01:54 PM (lIU4e)

182 Oh, and Madonna? That was voguing...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 01:48 PM (C9pBZ)

Thank you! I couldn't remember it to save my life.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2016 01:54 PM (TOk1P)

183 dude smoking is really bad. take it from a former smoker who began to have chest pains and all sorts of problems.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:29 PM (dciA+)

Cigarettes are the worst. Pipe smokers and cigar smokers mostly seem to manage fine with a much smaller tobacco intake. They aren't smoking constantly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:54 PM (GSdpU)

184 And another thing!

If only 15% of people now smoke, why in hell do the feds force the medical personnel at your doctor's office and/or hospital to quiz you about smoking every freaking time you come in? Just an excuse to impose a fine if they don't ask you?

Posted by: PJ at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (cHuNI)

185 Same. Drunk driving is bad, but if you are driving fine and your blood alcohol is .2 leave it alone.

Posted by: Lea at June 02, 2016 01:54 PM (lIU4e)

____
Nobody drives fine when BAC is at .2

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (0LHZx)

186 This is how I reluctantly came to agree with legalizing pot. Its a bad idea, society will come to regret it, and the health effects will be awful but... you have to be free to choose your own poison.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (39g3+)

I'll take is one step differently. People should be free to make their own choices and be fully responsible for the outcomes of those choices.

The limit comes in when your choices limit mine or cause me damage. Then I will hold you accountable for that. No government needed (outside of municipal courts if we can't settle it between ourselves).

If you want to do drugs in your own 4 walls and OD... fine. I fully support the right of the government to seize your assets upon your death to pay for the disposal of your corpse in a hole somewhere. If you blow up your house AND my house with your meth lab, I get to take your shit first.

The solution to all of this shit is simply determining who is in line first when idiots act like idiots.

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (71OEY)

187 @101: "No, they're after the upstarts taking away market share. They're
throwing up *huge* barriers to entry (FDA testing and approval that only
deep pockets like theirs can afford) to force the smaller companies to
sell - to them - or get out of the market altogether."

But remember, big business likes free markets!

Posted by: Your Friendly GOP at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (rznWS)

188 It's like MADD. I loathe MADD because MADD is flat out lying about its goals. MADD is neo-prohibition disguised, badly, as anti-drunk driving.

Same. Drunk driving is bad, but if you are driving fine and your blood alcohol is .2 leave it alone.

People who aren't drunk drive CRAZY all the time and never get pulled over. Why don't ya'll work on that for a while...

------------

If MADD was against DD, they would have fought the city of Austin and every other city wishing to ban Uber. Clearly Austin doesn't care about DD. Of course, I think they like it because DD revenue is big and easy revenue.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (gmeXX)

189 I exist!! You may rarely see me, but I do exist!! I'm just hangin' out with my good buddies, Sasquatch, Nessie, the Abominable Snowman, drinkin' a Land of Dixie beer and clinging tightly to my Bible and Scary, Black Assault Rifle, but I always have these existential questions.....you know?

Hello? Hello?? *sigh*

Posted by: Tea-Party WASP Hetero Male murderer at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (vFd8X)

190
I think vaping is great tool to wean oneself off tobacco. Just don't be a douche.

Yeah I agree, no reason to be a jerk about anything. But as I understand it the clouds of stuff are just water vapor, period. We might learn otherwise, in time.

Still, less noxious than cigarette smoke. Like others here I grew up in the smoking era. Clouds of that crap everywhere I worked. Food service was the worst; everyone smoked.

I don't begrudge a soldier smoking; if you're likely to get shot or blown up, what's a coffin nail going to matter? If it calms you or gives you just a little bit of happiness, by all means.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)

191 It's interesting (as I've pointed out before here) that my ancestors smoked (rustica) tobacco for millennia... and it's fun pointing that out to liberal fascists and watching them stumble around...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (C9pBZ)

192

arent these the same people who insist smoking pot does no harm to your lungs or your being

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (zOTsN)

193 Nobody drives fine when BAC is at .2
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (0LHZx)

We don't drive fine when BAC is zero. You gonna regulate us?

Posted by: Asian Women Drivers at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (71OEY)

194 183 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:54 PM (GSdpU)

I quit it all.

I never got too into smokes, I loved my cigars and pipe though.

Thing is I was burning my eyebrows off one evening by lighting a bonfire while standing in the center....

and it came to me...I don't inhale this shit for fun why inhale anything other than Oxygen?

*poof*

and it was gone.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (g8Hfr)

195 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:45 PM (39g3+)

Ah, thanks. I've suddenly started needing to use the drycleaners because a lot of my kurtis have hand embroidery that fares badly in the wash.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (GDulk)

196
Uber will be banned next.

Posted by: Misheard Lyrics Guy at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (hICj7)

197 I miss the Martinizing signs. Never see em these days.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

Man, you should have socked that as George Zimmerman.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (GSdpU)

198 IF people quit smoking, how are the Progtard shitheel neo-fascist Utopias like Chicago, NYC, and Philly going to get their tax money (to be spent on incompetent do-nothing public sector bennies)? Better people die from cancer and pay taxes then be healthy and pay taxes slowly over time. #Hillary2016

Posted by: Lemonjello Hogleg at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (I1MO8)

199 There really are two kinds of people: the ones who want to control other people (i.e., liberals), and ones who just want to be left alone (us).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (oKE6c)

200 Yeah... .2 isn't quite the same as .02.

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (C9pBZ)

201 Slight modification of an oft quoted thought here:

It is not about the knee;
It is not about the bending;
It is about the making
and the money!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (wYnyS)

202 Same. Drunk driving is bad, but if you are driving fine and your blood alcohol is .2 leave it alone.

If you're driving fine at .2 you have an amazing tolernace

Posted by: brak at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (MJuTN)

203 16 But can you flick your e-cig in a guy's face? Or put it out in someone's drink?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (eaOgU)

Some of the mods are pretty substantial, and could be used as a blunt force weapon in a pinch.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (0mRoj)

204 >>> I'm actually thinking of taking up e-cigs because my allergies got ten times worse when I quite smoking. Other people have said that too.

studies have shown that every single illness or malady is worse for smokers. Colds last longer, flus hit stronger, etc.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (dciA+)

205 There really are two kinds of people: the ones who want to control other people (i.e., liberals), and ones who just want to be left alone (us).

-------------

Serfs and the masters. Its been this way for a long time.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (gmeXX)

206 196 Posted by: Misheard Lyrics Guy at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (hICj7)

Yup...the Donk dominated small cities are showing their hand.

Here in Butte there is a push to ban it.

https://uphail.com/us/mt/butte/

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (g8Hfr)

207 you're not convinced yet that smoking has negative health effects, *except* those who by heredity are adversely affected by it?
Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

------------------

It's one of the risks of freedom. There's lots of things out there that we do that have the potential for an early demise.

It's been proven over and over again that traveling by automobile is one of the biggest causes of death and permanent injury.

And besides, by quitting smoking, is there any guarantee that I'll live even one minute more?

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (Fmupd)

208 Parkinson's disease, not AFAIK Alzheimer's.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 01:52 PM (T/5A0)
***
Yep. Nicotine has a neuro-protective effect.

I started vaping as a way to ratchet down the smoking, and it helps quite a bit.

And my neurologist was the one who first proposed vaping to me - he pointed out that the nicotine I'd been consuming potentiates a good many of my PD meds, and, as they say, 'every little bit helps.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM (lutOX)

209 I'll take is one step differently. People should be free to make their own choices and be fully responsible for the outcomes of those choices.

I agree. I don't care what you eat, if you don't break the seats at the restaurants or demand I pay for your diabetic 750-pound self when your heart explodes. Pay the price for your own actions, don't demand others bail you out.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

210 I was a Marine in the 80's when the anti-smoking thingy got full on Puritanical. It was always funny having non-smokers trying to bum a cigarette off you in field. Tobacco is an amazing drug - it can relax you, if that's what you want, or it can focus you, if that's what you want. I know of no other substance that can do that, except for pleasure girls.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM (oDCMR)

211 15 Why not just dip? Except for having to spit, it is practically unnoticeable.
Posted by: DaveKinNC at June 02, 2016 01:24 PM (/NgNT)

Oh I dunno. Periodontitis, tooth loss, oral cancer...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM (0mRoj)

212 We don't drive fine when BAC is zero. You gonna regulate us?

Posted by: Asian Women Drivers at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (71OEY)
Ban MSG then too!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM (oKE6c)

213 >>>People who aren't drunk drive CRAZY all the time and never get pulled over. Why don't ya'll work on that for a while...

Ha! You Peasants and your whines about "driving".....get a driver, fools!

Posted by: Shrillary! Clinton at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM (vFd8X)

214 I will continue to eat, drink, and smoke what I want, when I want.

Nothing these loons say or do will change that.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 02, 2016 02:00 PM (rlfds)

215 one thing about quitting smoking is that suddenly you're not coughing which you barely notice because you had been barely noticing you WERE coughing every hour with cigarettes -- you had just gotten so used to it, you stopped noticing it, like wearing a hat.

When you quit, you stop coughing, but you don't really notice it (since you hadn't noticed coughing) until you try to think of the last time you coughed or even had to clear your throat.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 02:00 PM (dciA+)

216 @114: "Not to overtly defend Baptists, but liberal fascists first move in
claiming an alliance over alcohol in the early 20th century is
interesting, to say the least.

Proof however, seems a bit lacking."

Don't forget the killjoy women (e.g., the WCTU) who spurred a lot of it, too. Seems like Prohibition should have been stillborn - the first time Carrie A Nation walked into a saloon swinging her hatchet, someone should have just emptied a revolver into her face. She'd have been made instantly prettier by several orders of magnitude and the entire thing would have come to a crashing halt.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 02, 2016 02:00 PM (rznWS)

217 when my mother, who has late stage COPD, finally quit smoking she coughed like crazy for a while. My sister too. Their bodies were expelling all the crap in their lungs. My sister is still quit suseptible to lung issues

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)

218 If only 15% of people now smoke, why in hell do the feds force the medical personnel at your doctor's office and/or hospital to quiz you about smoking every freaking time you come in? Just an excuse to impose a fine if they don't ask you?
Posted by: PJ at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (cHuNI)

Umm... yes. Obamacare isn't going to fund itself, you know.

Notice the question has "evolved" also. Used to be "Do you smoke?'. Then it was "Have you used tobacco products within the last 6 months?". Now it's "Have you ever smoked, thought about smoking, or been within 500 feet of someone who smoked, knowingly or unknowingly, ever in your life?"

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (71OEY)

219 Although the Democrats are a much greater threat to our freedoms, to be fair both parties just LOVE to regulate and ban things.

Posted by: Max Power at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (q177U)

220 196
Uber will be banned next.

Posted by: Misheard Lyrics Guy at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (hICj7)
***
Heh, ever hear of Austin?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (lutOX)

221 198 IF people quit smoking, how are the Progtard shitheel neo-fascist Utopias like Chicago, NYC, and Philly going to get their tax money (to be spent on incompetent do-nothing public sector bennies)? Better people die from cancer and pay taxes then be healthy and pay taxes slowly over time. #Hillary2016
Posted by: Lemonjello Hogleg at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (I1MO

Hence the drive to legalize weed. If you won't smoke tobacco we'll let you smoke wacky weed, so long as you buy it from the State Marijuana Store and pay the 50% tax.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 02:02 PM (PjWy4)

222 Walter Raleigh introduced tobacco to Europeans by claiming that it "Stimulated the blood, relaxed the nerves and loosened the bowels", or something like that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 02, 2016 02:02 PM (2cS/G)

223 Smoking destroys your sense of taste and robs lung capacity, too. So you get winded faster and stuff just doesn't taste as good as it ought. And really, who would want to make all their food taste... worse?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 02:02 PM (39g3+)

224 Prime example of the Nazi left is De Blasio. Eventually all of his dictates will crash down around him until a new Mayor is elected in the vein of a Guiliani who will undue the damage done.

Somehow I don't think that the NYPD is down with enforcing these laws.

Posted by: Cheri at June 02, 2016 02:02 PM (oiNtH)

225 My husband went from 2 packs a day down to barely half a pack thanks to the e-cig. I went from pack a day to 5 or 6 thanks to the e-cig.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 02, 2016 02:02 PM (zRZaJ)

226 Tobacco is an amazing drug - it can relax you, if that's what you want, or it can focus you, if that's what you want. I know of no other substance that can do that, except for pleasure girls.

Back around 1990 the New York Times had a story about exactly that. (I doubt they would publish it today).

If you smoke to get amped up for an important phone call you'll smoke in short fast puffs -- your heart rate and blood pressure go up.

If you smoke to unwind after that phone call you'll take long slow puffs -- your things go down.

They said it is the only drug that will do what you want it to.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (1xUj/)

227 Uber will be banned next.

Posted by: Misheard Lyrics Guy at June 02, 2016 01:57 PM (hICj7)

Personal transportation

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (/CXhS)

228 No, they're after the upstarts taking away market share. They're throwing up *huge* barriers to entry (FDA testing and approval that only deep pockets like theirs can afford) to force the smaller companies to sell - to them - or get out of the market altogether.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 02, 2016 01:38 PM (3AzgN)

The term is "regulatory capture". Just another "benefit" of Fascism.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (GSdpU)

229 O/T But did anyone see the viral video thing that went around about the lady who laughed hysterically in a Chewbacca mask? That certainly paid off. For whatever reason, Southeastern Univ. has given not only her, but all her kids full scholarships to the university for bringing joy or something. Full scholarships. For laughing. I mean, good for her because the thing was funny. But come on.

http://tinyurl.com/zwvpx7z

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (+FSld)

230 Jim Kelly nearly died from cancer caused by dip

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (zOTsN)

231 94 dude smoking is really bad. take it from a former smoker who began to have chest pains and all sorts of problems.

Posted by ace

------------

Much of that is hereditary. Much like people who seem to gain two pounds for every pound of food they eat.

But we won't hear anything about that because it doesn't fit the narrative and it won't perpetuate the state's control over behavior.
Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 01:37 PM (Fmupd)

_____

WTF? You must have a lot of shares in Philip Morris or something cuz no way anyone actually still thinks smoking doesn't cause harm.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (0LHZx)

232 Coughing in the shower in the morning. That was a big difference.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (V40IZ)

233 Cigarettes kill, man.

Posted by: Eric Garner at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (3hIZX)

234 >>>214 I will continue to eat, drink, and smoke what I want, when I want.

Nothing these loons say or do will change that.
Posted by: SMFH

this

me too

Posted by: concrete girl at June 02, 2016 02:04 PM (ceWrl)

235 Nicotine is caffeine on steroids. In my 30s I would smoke to keep me awake and working late.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 02, 2016 02:04 PM (OZmbA)

236 Here is SoCal the liberals are telling us how often we can water our lawns, and how long, on the pretext of the "drought."

Except the drought affects northern California; SD and environs gets its water from, inter alia, the Colorado River, and has all the water it usually has.

But never let a crisis go to waste, and all that. New regs, new taxes, raised water rates, for a non-event here. Woot!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 02:04 PM (oKE6c)

237 "It is also my God-given right to be ignorant.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (gmeXX)"

Ignorance is Strength!

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (QHgTq)

238 208---- the nicotine I'd been consuming potentiates a good many of my PD meds....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 01:59 PM
----------------------
Ah, interesting!
I knew that nicotine use reduces the chances of getting PD to begin with but didn't know that.
But now that you mention it, it makes some sense --- kind of like compounding 2 or more neuro-protectors.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (T/5A0)

239 O/T But did anyone see the viral video thing that went around about the lady who laughed hysterically in a Chewbacca mask? That certainly paid off. For whatever reason, Southeastern Univ. has given not only her, but all her kids full scholarships to the university for bringing joy or something. Full scholarships. For laughing. I mean, good for her because the thing was funny. But come on.

It goes back to what Ace was saying the yesterday about that bint who posted a selfie in response to the UCLA murder. This New Media thing is about celebrating (or vilifying) the mode of expression instead of the expression itself. And it's stupid.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (PFy0L)

240 WTF? You must have a lot of shares in Philip Morris or something cuz no way anyone actually still thinks smoking doesn't cause harm.

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But it doesn't always cause harm - or it doesn't seem to always cause harm. We all know of that person who smoked two packs a day and lived to be 90. Would he have lived longer without smoking? Maybe, but would he have been happy? Who knows.

Smoking is in all likelihood bad for you. But it going to be worse for some than others.

So if you want to do it, have at it.

Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (gmeXX)

241 Walter Raleigh introduced tobacco to Europeans

Bob Newhart's bit on Raleigh trying to sell tobacco to England is hilarious. Well, all his stand up was, but this was on topic:

https://youtu.be/p1KbtLrBZ0k

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (39g3+)

242 231 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM (0LHZx)

If smoking is bad b/c lungs...

and you exhale the smoke in Tobakky

why is the govt pushing for legal weed when you TRAP the smoke to get high?

I am at a loss, I lost my mother to lung cancer that went camping in her liver.

I hate cancer and am less than thrilled by cig smoking but I just can't square that circle.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (g8Hfr)

243 Meanwhile, queering off and spreading STDs far and wide is A-OK. Adding STDs to the blood bank supplies is just an added benefit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 02, 2016 02:06 PM (oKE6c)

244 We really need to stop falling into the trap of arguing for or against the "evil widget of doom that must be stopped for the children!!!" trap.

Here is the issue: Since when does the government have the Constitutional authority to tax anything at 400%+ of it's value? If you are okay with 400%+ taxes, then do you support the government having the authority to apply that tax selectively while exempting other things?

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 02:06 PM (71OEY)

245 >>>Coughing in the shower in the morning. That was a big difference.

yeah.... all the coughing, coughing, coughing, and pretending that coughing all the time is perfectly normal

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 02:06 PM (dciA+)

246 Milo triggers another nutcase at UCLA

http://tinyurl.com/hz2wo33

Mentally fucking unhinged

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 02, 2016 02:07 PM (/CXhS)

247 Inre harmful effects of smoking, I'll just say that I limit myself to cigars, average fewer than 7/week, and based on the research that was done before such things became politicized I'm comfortable with any risks to my health.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 02:07 PM (eytER)

248 I've heard that the producers of the Nicotine Patch are also BIG on banning/legislating the Vapes, more so than Big Tobacco (for equally obvious reasons). I haven't actually researched that, as I don't smoke/vape, and I have a life.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 02, 2016 02:08 PM (i6shs)

249 Milo is a treasure.

I just got around to reading his "review" of Mattress Girl's porno. And it was wonderful.

Well, you know, the porno wasn't.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 02:08 PM (V40IZ)

250 My Mother smoked Her whole life and died of lung cancer at age 67...I only wish e-cigs had been available for her...

Posted by: donna at June 02, 2016 02:09 PM (O2RFr)

251 and I have a life.

Oh, lookit you flaunting your I Have a Life Privilege.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2016 02:09 PM (1xUj/)

252 Huh. My employer's HR department just informed me that they will be doing a salary reduction for my retirement plan automatically from here on out unless I opt out. I do that anyway but before it was an opt-IN system. Has anybody else seen this?

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 02:09 PM (PjWy4)

253 246 Milo triggers another nutcase at UCLA

http://tinyurl.com/hz2wo33

Mentally fucking unhinged
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 02, 2016 02:07 PM (/CXhS)

---

Wow.

She is in desperate need of a c*nt punt.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 02, 2016 02:09 PM (rlfds)

254 But it doesn't always cause harm - or it doesn't seem to always cause harm. We all know of that person who smoked two packs a day and lived to be 90. Would he have lived longer without smoking? Maybe, but would he have been happy? Who knows.

Smoking is in all likelihood bad for you. But it going to be worse for some than others.

So if you want to do it, have at it.
Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (gmeXX)

_______

That's like saying driving 120 without wearing a seatbelt is probably a bad idea. And since we all know of that guy who drives like a maniac but has never had so much as a fender bender in his life.

If you want to smoke, go ahead. But don't give me any bullshit about how it's not really bad for you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:10 PM (0LHZx)

255 UCLA: University of Clueless Liberal Assholes..

Posted by: donna at June 02, 2016 02:10 PM (O2RFr)

256
35 year Skoal user. I quit about two years ago cold turkey.

I still get an occasional pang.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:10 PM (8XRCm)

257 Oh, and to answer the second part of your comment, Ace.

Yes, there are definite hereditory factors that are involved. And not only hereditory factors, but racial, socio-economic, and general health of the individual. You know, the things that are never studied or discussed in correlating smoking with pathology. It wouldn't fit the narrative.

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 02:11 PM (Fmupd)

258 Milo triggers another nutcase at UCLA

http://tinyurl.com/hz2wo33

Mentally fucking unhinged

I really wish I could be around when these things happen.

"So, honey - guess a blow job is out of the question then?"

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 02:11 PM (PFy0L)

259 In letters sent to the foreign minister, the head of Britains Labor Party, Jeremy Corbyn, called for sanctions against Israel and described some of the Jewish states politicians as criminals who should be banned from Britain.

Corbyns anti-Israel letters, written while he was a Parliament member but before he was elected party chief, were obtained by the UKs Jewish News through a Freedom of Information request. In an article published Wednesday, the Jewish News reported that Corbyn also said Israel treats Palestinians with disdain and that its victimization of the people of East Jerusalem is an abomination.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2016 02:11 PM (zp+j1)

260 252 Huh. My employer's HR department just informed me that they will be doing a salary reduction for my retirement plan automatically from here on out unless I opt out. I do that anyway but before it was an opt-IN system. Has anybody else seen this?
Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at June 02, 2016 02:09 PM (PjWy4)

____

This is law. I want to say it was part of Dobbs/Frank.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:11 PM (0LHZx)

261 It takes a Village... to be able to tell you what to do in every aspect of your life....

Posted by: #6 at June 02, 2016 02:12 PM (qf6WZ)

262 In re harmful effects of smoking, I'll just say that I limit myself to cigars, average fewer than 7/week, and based on the research that was done before such things became politicized I'm comfortable with any risks to my health.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 02:07 PM (eytER)

Getting hard to find a good five cent cigar these days!

Posted by: Zombie Thomas Riley Marshall at June 02, 2016 02:12 PM (wYnyS)

263 Smoking is in all likelihood bad for you. But it going to be worse for some than others.

This seems reasonable and true to me. Certainly its worse for some than it is others. And we probably at least know of someone who is drunk all the time and functions quite well despite it. Lemmy was one of those guys, he did great, until he suddenly died.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

264 I smoked on and off for a long time, not much more than a pack a week, never inside the home. I had a craving for one every time I got in my truck, and fortunately lived in a small time with short drive times.

My brand was Kool filter kings, but I mixed in Camels, the originals, short and unfiltered. This was in New York, and the Camel part of the habit got expensive.

My wife made me quit, and I'm glad I did, but I miss the buzz. So I've been really curious to find out what vaping nicotine is like.

We now live in Colorado, so I've returned to weed after a very long hiatus, enjoying it for sme party and live music events. Since I don't do cigarettes now, I do the weed with a vape pen.

So I think I'll go to a place nearby that's a vape "bar" and see what this is all about.

Was in Pittsburgh last week and am in Chicago area now, both places far more friendly to smokers who want to do it while at a bar. NY eliminated it completely when we lived there, even on outdoor porches and terraces part of or adjacent a bar. CO has no smoke-friendly bars I know of, other than two very-high-end hotel bars where cigar-smoking is "grandfathered."

IL permits smoking at outdoor bars and PA permits little neighborhood bars to have smoking as they always did.

I'm hoping my vape pen, which accepts screw-in THC cartridges, can work with the same thing in nicotine, so I can sample the old buzz a little.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (b0FQi)

265 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:05 PM (T/5A0)
***
Heh....and the funny thing is, the meds - well, ONE of them, in particular - makes nicotine so much better than ever it was before.

Really, a cup of coffee, my vape, and my morning meds, and I'm feeling fit as a fiddle and ready to whip my own weight in wildcats.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (lutOX)

266 Once upon a time, a government selectively imposed a tax on tea because it was a popular item that lots of people bought.

A bunch of people took offense to this, dumped all the tea off a ship in a late night raid, fought a war over the whole issue, resulting in a new, sovereign nation that immediately prohibited selectively taxing items in it's founding documents.

Posted by: Damiano at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (71OEY)

267 Getting cancer from smoking likely has a significant hereditary component, as there are plenty of long-term smokers who never get lung or throat cancer. However, the lung damage and resulting disease is a lot harder to dodge.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (0mRoj)

268 I quit cigarettes in 1993. Now I'm healthy at 58. I very occasionally will partake of 1 menthol Camel when drinking beer. There's no urge to smoke beyond the one. And the enjoyable effects of smoking the first one don't happen again for the second or third.

Bad taste and headache the next morning though.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (OZmbA)

269 SH,
Correct. We don't quite understand the mechanisms that cause reactions in the human body, and the reality is that something might cause me distress yet have no measurable impact on you (at similar doses).

So what is the answer? Ban for all? Some? Who knows....

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (C9pBZ)

270 "217
when my mother, who has late stage COPD, finally quit smoking she
coughed like crazy for a while. My sister too. Their bodies were
expelling all the crap in their lungs. My sister is still quit
suseptible to lung issues

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)"

Nicotine tends to paralyze the villi that normally move the crap like dust, pollen and particles out of your lungs and up where you can cough it out. When you stop smoking, those little hair like things start working again and try to deal with the backlog of accumulated crud.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (QHgTq)

271 Too much salt can lead to high blood pressure. However, sodium is what your body uses to transmit electrical signals around your nervous system. So cutting out salt altogether is dangerous. All things in moderation.

Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (7HtZB)

272 Lemmy was chock-full of cancer. I believe prostate cancer was the official cause of death.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (V40IZ)

273 Somewhat related- I wanted to thank Ace for an article he posted last year regarding Allan Carr's Easy Way to Quit Smoking book. I bought it. I quit. I'm a believer in this book. 10 months now, no lapses, no substitutes.

Posted by: Kevin at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (TRmJi)

274 Taxes are funny things aren't they? Almost as addictive as the nicotine itself..

Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (aQQbl)

275
Lets face it.

The left doesnt really have an in issue with e-cigs.

They DO have an issue with e-cig users. They are appalled that somebody found a loophole around their anti tobacco crusade and they will not tolerate that.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (8XRCm)

276 How toxic to the body are the chemicals in vaping versus the chemicals they put in one's body as part of gender transitioning?

Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (O7MnT)

The two main ingredients in e-juice are vegetable glycerin, and propylene glycol...both of which are food additives. The flavorings are also off the shelf food additives, like mint extract, and similar, (often in a base of PG/VG, or alcohol). The final ingredient is nicotine, if it's included at all.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (7VPW0)

277 The FDA wants to keep its territory, and expand it. It was very angry that it had no say-so over a "drug delivery device" even if nicotine isolated is safer than a burning paper roll of tobacco (that was deliberately excluded from its authority.)

Posted by: SarahW at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (3fTXW)

278 231---WTF? You must have a lot of shares in Philip Morris or something cuz no way anyone actually still thinks smoking doesn't cause harm.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:03 PM
----------------------------
There are plenty of smokers who suffer no adverse effects. That's a fact. It's a statistical thing.
Like Russian roulette --- with 2 or 3 bullets instead of just one.
Like playing in traffic --- on the interstate.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (T/5A0)

279 Getting hard to find a good five cent cigar these days!

Ask Monica Lewinsky for some pointers.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (oqhrS)

280 Heh. Listening to the Newhart clip in another tab. He was a classic (is he dead?).

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (2cS/G)

281 Saw Penn & Teller matinee. Lots of kids. At end Penn told kids that although they used cigarettes for a prop neither he or Teller smoked. He advised the kids not to smoke... unless they wanted to look really cool. Priceless gasp from parents.

Posted by: Penn & Teller at June 02, 2016 02:15 PM (o9vm9)

282 So loosen marijuana laws but outlaw e-cigs because that will piss off Daddy.

The entire liberal movement is just a series of attempts at revenge.

Posted by: Tyler at June 02, 2016 02:15 PM (H8A77)

283 Yeah I agree, no reason to be a jerk about anything. But as I understand it the clouds of stuff are just water vapor, period. We might learn otherwise, in time.

Still, less noxious than cigarette smoke. Like others here I grew up in the smoking era. Clouds of that crap everywhere I worked. Food service was the worst; everyone smoked.

I don't begrudge a soldier smoking; if you're likely to get shot or blown up, what's a coffin nail going to matter? If it calms you or gives you just a little bit of happiness, by all means.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)

If the vapor inhaled contains nicotine, so will the vapor exhaled. The lungs don't have Maxwell's demon in there, carefully snagging each nicotine molecule and plugging it into the bloodstream.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 02:15 PM (GSdpU)

284 >>>BTW: I'm greatly reducing my nicotine intake because i discovered it did have a health consequence -- it was a key trigger for my panic. Made me anxious and sometimes spurred panic episodes.

I was having e-cig panic attack. That why I do it. That is ticket, yeah. Nothing to do with Islam. Is fault of ecil e-cig company turn me into Darth Vaper.

/sark(ar)

Posted by: Maniak Sarkar at June 02, 2016 02:16 PM (rb1tm)

285 Obama Administration goes after salt.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-administration-goes-salt/

I thought I heard a lot of the salt links to health problems were debunked.

Well I guess Obama knows best.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 02, 2016 02:16 PM (tf9Ne)

286 Those candy cigarettes we enjoyed as children have been banned in New York City. The hardest part is, I don't know if it's the smoking analogy or the sugar content that got them banned.

-
They resemble penises.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 02, 2016 02:16 PM (Nwg0u)

287 Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (b0FQi)

A pack a week? If you were still catching a buzz you weren't hooked.

Posted by: BignJames at June 02, 2016 02:16 PM (j7iSn)

288 A "Baptist-bootlegger" alliance, John Tierney calls it, of the kind that conspired together to keep Prohibition on the books -- the Baptists hated the sin of drink, and the bootleggers loved the profit of smuggling illegal, and ergo pricey, liquor.

Ace, I think you are crediting the wrong John for the "Baptist-bootlegger" moniker. The Instapundit piece you quote - itself quoting the piece at the Observer - has the following:

Case Western University law professor Jonathan H. Adler calls this alignment a classic "Baptist-bootlegger" alliance where unlikely parties share an aim and combine forces, similar to the way Baptists and bootleggers once worked in tandem to preserve the prohibition status quo in the 1920s. "When such forces are aligned, they have a particularly powerful influence on policy outcomes," he writes in an upcoming study for the Yale Journal of Regulation called "Baptists, Bootleggers and E-Cigarettes."

Jonathan Adler is the guy who who should be getting the props.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 02, 2016 02:16 PM (R+30W)

289 In addition to all the other physical detriments, it makes your entire body smell terrible. Quit 17 years ago, had one or two after quitting, couldn't stand the disgusting next-day funk, and won't sit next to a smoker if I can help it. Whew.

Posted by: General Zod at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)

290 280 Heh. Listening to the Newhart clip in another tab. He was a classic (is he dead?).

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (2cS/G)

No. He was on Big Bang a year or so ago.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (/CXhS)

291 285 Obama Administration goes after salt.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-administration-goes-salt/

Of course... Must control everything..... Guess Mooch will have to have Her fries without it...

Posted by: donna at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (O2RFr)

292 276 How toxic to the body are the chemicals in vaping versus the chemicals they put in one's body as part of gender transitioning?

Posted by: V the K at June 02, 2016 01:30 PM (O7MnT)

The two main ingredients in e-juice are vegetable glycerin, and propylene glycol...both of which are food additives. The flavorings are also off the shelf food additives, like mint extract, and similar, (often in a base of PG/VG, or alcohol). The final ingredient is nicotine, if it's included at all.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket

Ding ding ding. Sticky Wicket wins the internets.
Especially if you roll your own so to speak. I ordered my nicotine and propylene glycol and candy flavoring from a company in Oregon and mixed my own juice.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (oqhrS)

293 "269
SH,

Correct. We don't quite understand the mechanisms that cause
reactions in the human body, and the reality is that something might
cause me distress yet have no measurable impact on you (at similar
doses).

So what is the answer? Ban for all? Some? Who knows....

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (C9pBZ)"

Several members of my wife's family have severe (as in trips to the emergency room from minor exposure) peanut allergy. Certainly their lives would be easier if peanuts were banned but somehow they are not advocating for this. Is there something wrong with their attitude?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (QHgTq)

294 286 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 02, 2016 02:16 PM (Nwg0u)

That means they are mandatory in San Francisco.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (g8Hfr)

295 Should only smoke if you pee with a big hanging johnson.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (OZmbA)

296 Thanks. Glad he's still around.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (2cS/G)

297 I have heard that for a lot of smokers, the physical patterns and habits are among the harder things to give up; what you do with your hands, how you behave in stress, etc. I think vaping is a bridge to help break those as well which helps quitting

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 02:18 PM (39g3+)

298 If the vapor inhaled contains nicotine, so will the vapor exhaled.

----

But nicotine isnt the carcinogen. Tar is.

The whole thrust to ban regular cigarettes was the carcinogen risk of second hand smoke.

E cigs dont carry that risk.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:18 PM (8XRCm)

299 If the vapor inhaled contains nicotine, so will the
vapor exhaled. The lungs don't have Maxwell's demon in there, carefully
snagging each nicotine molecule and plugging it into the bloodstream.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 02:15 PM (GSdpU)

Huge difference in how things work though. An E-cig doesn't sit there smoldering when not in use. It delivers to the user a tiny amount of nicotine, which is absorbed. The exhaled vapor contains very little, (and this assumes the user is using nicotine at all).

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 02, 2016 02:18 PM (7VPW0)

300 I prefer to smoke the big hanging johnsons.

Posted by: Barney Frank at June 02, 2016 02:19 PM (OZmbA)

301 298 Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:18 PM (8XRCm)

If we're banning nicotine b/c harms get ready for no caffeine.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:19 PM (g8Hfr)

302 Smoking is in all likelihood bad for you. But it going to be worse for some than others.

Well I can't imagine willingly inhaling particulate from burning matter on a regular basis is particularly healthy over the long term on general principles, chemical content aside, so...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 02, 2016 02:19 PM (9krrF)

303 Instead of a nicotine ingesting blogger, Ace, you could start identifying as a Plano, Texas eighth grader with a penchant for sleepovers at your teachers house. See if this helps diminish your panic attacks.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at June 02, 2016 02:19 PM (/m8T6)

304 265
Heh....and the funny thing is, the meds - well, ONE of them, in particular - makes nicotine so much better than ever it was before.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM
-------------------------
Ha! The nicotine empowers the meds and the meds empower the nicotine!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:20 PM (T/5A0)

305 The two main ingredients in e-juice are vegetable glycerin, and propylene glycol.

-
That and Jesus's tears.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 02, 2016 02:20 PM (Nwg0u)

306 If MADD was against DD, they would have fought the city of Austin and every other city wishing to ban Uber. Clearly Austin doesn't care about DD. Of course, I think they like it because DD revenue is big and easy revenue.
Posted by: SH at June 02, 2016 01:55 PM (gmeXX)

I closed the link but there's a transcript of an exchange with the Mayor of Austin wherein it's pretty much straight up admitted that banning ride sharing will lead to more people driving drunk.

Posted by: alexthechick - All Your Parfait Is Belong To Me at June 02, 2016 02:20 PM (mf5HN)

307 Hmm, Daddy didn't see anything wrong with smoking cigarettes, but he told me don't ever smoke weed!

FCUK you, Daddy!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (wYnyS)

308 256
35 year Skoal user. I quit about two years ago cold turkey.

I still get an occasional pang.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:10 PM (8XRCm)

Good on you. When I started, Skoal was 49 cents a tin, and came in the waxed cardboard & pressed tin roll. I quit earlier this year & I think Skoal is $5 a lid now (was on the generic stuff for the last 15 years or so.

Posted by: Zhytamyr at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (91nzM)

309 Several members of my wife's family have severe (as in trips to the emergency room from minor exposure) peanut allergy. Certainly their lives would be easier if peanuts were banned but somehow they are not advocating for this.

Is there something wrong with their attitude?

Yes! What is wrong with them?? They should be advocating for a 50 mile ban of ANY nut product! /s

Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (oqhrS)

310 273 Somewhat related- I wanted to thank Ace for an article he posted last year regarding Allan Carr's Easy Way to Quit Smoking book. I bought it. I quit. I'm a believer in this book. 10 months now, no lapses, no substitutes.
Posted by: Kevin at June 02, 2016 02:13 PM (TRmJi)

Does it work for other bad habits?
:deletes browsing history:

Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (7HtZB)

311 281 Saw Penn & Teller matinee. Lots of kids. At end Penn told kids that although they used cigarettes for a prop neither he or Teller smoked. He advised the kids not to smoke... unless they wanted to look really cool. Priceless gasp from parents.
Posted by: Penn & Teller at June 02, 2016 02:15 PM (o9vm9)

I have a great picture from college- me and three other sorority sisters in different fashion styles, all with ray bans and smoking cigarettes. The photographer-a guy on 6th street in Austin- liked it so much he blew up the pic and used it as a display in his window. Now, I don't think Austin has changed that much in 30 plus years, but still, I wager that a picture like that wouldn't be in a storefront window, even there.

Posted by: Moki at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (ezHMO)

312 The two main ingredients in e-juice are vegetable glycerin, and propylene glycol.
-
That and Jesus's tears.Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 02, 2016 02:20 PM (Nwg0u)>>>

Is that why we need all the illegals?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (tf9Ne)

313 289 In addition to all the other physical detriments, it makes your entire body smell terrible. Quit 17 years ago, had one or two after quitting, couldn't stand the disgusting next-day funk, and won't sit next to a smoker if I can help it. Whew.
Posted by: General Zod at June 02, 2016 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)

----

Same here. The one thing that struck me after I quit was how shitty smokers smelled all the time and thinking, damn did I smell like that too? It was depressing.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (0LHZx)

314 The two main ingredients in e-juice are vegetable glycerin, and propylene glycol.

-

That and Jesus's tears.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 02, 2016 02:20 PM (Nwg0u)

Give it a week, and the left will claim that we get PG from freshly squeezed puppies.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 02, 2016 02:22 PM (7VPW0)

315

my sister uses the e-cigs too
she's off cigs as far as I know

everything is outrageous
is there enough judicial watches and breitbart's to fight this

the government is troughing so hard it's about to vomit from overeating

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 02, 2016 02:22 PM (qCMvj)

316 293,
Exactly. I have a severe latex allergy. Forgot to wear gloves the other day while changing one of the kids bike tires (toy style plastic)...
So ban plastic toys?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 02:22 PM (C9pBZ)

317 The biggest problem I have with smokers, and I am one, is those that quit, then decide they want to rule the world and rid it of the evil natural plant product.
Congrats, you quit. I get it, shut up already.
Get off my ass because I didn't, and frankly I didn't want to. I'm a grown up.
If it's allowed where I am, and you freely decide to also be there, then you deal with it.

Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (aQQbl)

318 "There are plenty of smokers who suffer no adverse effects. That's a fact. It's a statistical thing.

Like Russian roulette --- with 2 or 3 bullets instead of just one.

Like playing in traffic --- on the interstate.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:14 PM (T/5A0)"

I would be interested to see scientific evidence that some people do not suffer loss of lung capacity or decreased oxygen levels in their blood from smoking.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (QHgTq)

319
If we're banning nicotine b/c harms get ready for no caffeine.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:19 PM (g8Hfr)

Fcuk that noise.
Pry my coffee and coke zero out of my cold, dead hand.

Posted by: Moki at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (ezHMO)

320

Ah, I see dogface is about to talk.

Glad I have a deadline today.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 02, 2016 02:24 PM (qCMvj)

321 I think Skoal is $5 a lid now (was on the generic stuff for the last 15 years or so.>>>

Grizzly the generic Skoal is $5 a tin and Copenhagen is over $8 a tin now.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 02, 2016 02:24 PM (tf9Ne)

322 And now the government wants to lower the salt content of food, just as a report has surfaced saying that people who are heavily cutting salt intake may experience major health problems.

Another recent report says similar things about cutting too much fat out of one's diet.

The grandparents had it right: "All things in moderation."

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at June 02, 2016 02:24 PM (hTqVx)

323 Ha! The nicotine empowers the meds and the meds empower the nicotine!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:20 PM (T/5A0)
***
Dopamine, baby....

It's a hell of neurotransmitter.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 02:24 PM (lutOX)

324 319
If we're banning nicotine b/c harms get ready for no caffeine.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:19 PM (g8Hfr)

Fcuk that noise.
Pry my coffee and coke zero out of my cold, dead hand.
Posted by: Moki at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (ezHMO)

What are you doing with the other hand?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2016 02:24 PM (0mRoj)

325 Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (aQQbl)

2 of the most self righteous people in the world...reformed smokers and born-agains.

Posted by: BignJames at June 02, 2016 02:25 PM (j7iSn)

326
What are you doing with the other hand?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2016 02:24 PM (0mRoj)

Holding the glock that took care of the person trying to take my caffeine! I'm a woman with a mission.

Posted by: Moki at June 02, 2016 02:26 PM (ezHMO)

327 It took me four years of nicotine gum to quit dipping. I had to combine it with nicotine patches. Dip REALLY, really packs a huge nicotine punch, much more so than cigarettes. Esp fine cut Copenhagen.

Posted by: Max Power at June 02, 2016 02:26 PM (q177U)

328 Grizzly the generic Skoal is $5 a tin.

-----

THAT shit was awfull..... before I quit... I was chewing Beechnut or Red Man (cant believe the SJW havent latched on to that logo) because Long Cut Skoal was so expensive.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:26 PM (8XRCm)

329 One of the reasons I dislike and deride "Libertarians", is that they are dead set on decriminalizing hard drugs, but don't realize, or care, that basic elemental foodstuffs like salt and sugar and fat are being just as regulatorily (to make up a word) criminalized as Crack. Work from the bottom, people, from the bottom.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 02, 2016 02:26 PM (2cS/G)

330 Moki I've done a 180...

Legalize it all, but come now let's not kid WRT "the medicinal wonders of recreational pot use"...

I am past giving a fuck about Public Health these days, legalize it, subsidize it, and let the bodies hit the floor.

Darwin knows his own.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:27 PM (g8Hfr)

331 317 The biggest problem I have with smokers, and I am one, is those that quit, then decide they want to rule the world and rid it of the evil natural plant product.
Congrats, you quit. I get it, shut up already.
Get off my ass because I didn't, and frankly I didn't want to. I'm a grown up.
If it's allowed where I am, and you freely decide to also be there, then you deal with it.
Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (aQQbl)

---

*golfclap*

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 02, 2016 02:27 PM (rlfds)

332 I like smelling like tobacco. It keeps the prudes at a distance.

Posted by: Soona at June 02, 2016 02:27 PM (Fmupd)

333 2 of the most self righteous people in the world...reformed smokers and born-agains.
Posted by: BignJames at June 02, 2016 02:25 PM (j7iSn)
_________________________________________

amen...

Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:28 PM (aQQbl)

334 325 Posted by: BignJames at June 02, 2016 02:25 PM (j7iSn)

Oh and drunks gone dry...

Oddly I am 3....I don't have an evangelical bone in me on any of the three....

the furthest I have ever gone and only to people I am genuine in my love for is "I wish you'd quit" about two times followed by "I'd hate to not have you around".

Posted by: sven10077 at June 02, 2016 02:29 PM (g8Hfr)

335 321

Grizzly the generic Skoal is $5 a tin and Copenhagen is over $8 a tin now.

Where are you out of? RedSeal etc is $3, Kodiak etc is $4, and Skoal/Copenhagen etc is $5 in STL MO.

Posted by: Zhytamyr at June 02, 2016 02:29 PM (91nzM)

336 Pot is good
Nicotine is evil

Posted by: Zed at June 02, 2016 02:29 PM (3wHFl)

337 317 The biggest problem I have with smokers, and I am one, is those that quit, then decide they want to rule the world and rid it of the evil natural plant product.
Congrats, you quit. I get it, shut up already.
Get off my ass because I didn't, and frankly I didn't want to. I'm a grown up.
If it's allowed where I am, and you freely decide to also be there, then you deal with it.
Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM (aQQbl)

___

I'm an ex smoker. And I don't care whether you smoke or not. However, I do ask that you stop the nonsense about how smoking isn't all that bad for you. That's what pisses me off about smokers, or at least many of them. They cling to the fantasy that it's no worse than drinking coffee.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:29 PM (0LHZx)

338 Golfing 9 last night I noticed "No Smoking on the Course" signs.
AYFKM?

Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:30 PM (aQQbl)

339 318,
I'm sure it could be searched, but there was a fairly rigorous study, finalised in '13 or '14
that summarized smoking had some impact on elderly, not much measurable on younger...

IIRC.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 02:30 PM (C9pBZ)

340 The biggest problem I have with smokers, and I am one, is those that quit, then decide they want to rule the world and rid it of the evil natural plant product.
Congrats, you quit. I get it, shut up already.
Get off my ass because I didn't, and frankly I didn't want to. I'm a grown up.
If it's allowed where I am, and you freely decide to also be there, then you deal with it.
Posted by: IP

Not all of us that quit will say a fucking word to those that haven't.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 02:31 PM (oqhrS)

341 Nood,

Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2016 02:31 PM (3wHFl)

342 The whole thrust to ban regular cigarettes was the carcinogen risk of second hand smoke.

E cigs dont carry that risk.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:18 PM (8XRCm)

Fine. I don't care if you inhalevast quantities of nicotine vapor. Have at it. I just don't want to share it with you. Vape outside, or in the privacy of your own home.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 02:31 PM (GSdpU)

343 About the vaping, for smokers looking to substitute....

DO NOT GET the high-strength stuff, at least, not at first.

Smokers are used to low-doses, delivered over a measured span of time. With the vaping, you can dose again and again and again with almost no practical limit.

If you're like me, you'll get nicotine poisoning if you vape the way you used to smoke, unless you start on a very low dose.

Now, later, once you've learned 'the manual of arms' for the thing, you can ramp it up, if you want.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 02:31 PM (lutOX)

344 Which is to say - do not chain-vape at high doses....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 02, 2016 02:32 PM (lutOX)

345 dippin right now.
later, I'm going to have a steak and a cigar, and likely some Wild Turkey.

Know why?
Because I can.
Are these potentially harmful? Yes
Delicious and enjoyable? also, Yes

Fear of death and knowledge of one's own seeming insignificance infuriates the human mind, which on its own will nearly grant itself god-like importance.
There is a book that describes these worldly ills, and how to navigate them regardless of your earthly demise.

Just sayin.
Unfortunately, the people IN government are often times the most in need of being governed.
Our so-called "tripartite" government is colluding with other branches to execute tyrannical ends.
Anyone surprised?
If you have ever read much of that book I referenced earlier, you wouldn't be surprised.
It's what people do. It's called human nature.
Or, to some, sin.

Posted by: Orange Mule at June 02, 2016 02:32 PM (uXcD2)

346 Some of the mods are pretty substantial, and could be used as a blunt force weapon in a pinch.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2016 01:58 PM (0mRoj)

should see my stacked 26650 mech. weighs a couple pounds with batteries damn near 16" of brass

Posted by: the dude at June 02, 2016 02:32 PM (SyKbw)

347 Not all of us that quit will say a fucking word to those that haven't.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 02, 2016 02:31 PM (oqhrS)
___________________________________

Thank you. Some of us that haven't quit wish there were more like you.

Posted by: IP at June 02, 2016 02:33 PM (aQQbl)

348 Where are you out of? RedSeal etc is $3, Kodiak etc is $4, and Skoal/Copenhagen etc is $5 in STL MO.>>>

In minnesota I still chew Cope so that $8 is before taxes they add after the ones already in the base price that drive it to just shy of $9.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 02, 2016 02:33 PM (tf9Ne)

349 It's been maybe forty years but back when Colorado was debating mandatory seat belts, the wheelchair manufacturers campaigned against it because wheelchair manufacturers gotta eat too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 02, 2016 02:33 PM (Nwg0u)

350 Gwen Ifill, a PBS propagandist for the DNC, wonders (sidebar) if pure racism explains why Obama isn't worshiped, or is it just mostly racism?

The economy in Elkhart, Indiana used to be flat on it's back but, now that most unemployed people have moved away, are working at Burger king or are no longer counted, she notes the unemployment rate is below 5%.

But the racist people of Elkhart, like the racist people in America as a whole, have refused to ignore their lying eyes and instead are holding progressives responsible, especially our black messiah (who, needless to say, seems opposed by so many mostly because he is black).

You go Gwen! Hold some more of these conversations with America!

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (/m8T6)

351 Fine. I don't care if you inhalevast quantities of nicotine vapor. Have at it. I just don't want to share it with you. Vape outside, or in the privacy of your own home.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 02:31 PM (GSdpU)

-----

I dont vape.

I quit chewing a couple of years ago.

I guess I just dont get in touch my inner quest to rule other people.

You drive an exhaust spewing car, right???

Goose, gander, irony...... some sense of assembly required.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (8XRCm)

352 Tea is bad for you. It contains more caffeine than coffee and caffeine is addictive and associated with heart disease. Studies have also shown that caffeine causing jitters and diminished attention, which contributes to auto accidents and may result in unintentional squeezing of triggers on handguns. Auto accidents, heart disease and handguns linked to millions of deaths per year. Middle class people and minorities, women and children are more susceptible to tea addiction because they statistically earn less than while males, demonstrating that tea consumption is the same as discrimination. Big Tea companies are targeting women with ads showing beautiful women relaxing in tubs with a cup of tea. Big Tea is also targeting children with bright colored iced tea bottles with cartoon faces.

Therefore, I decree that there will be an additional tax on tea so we can put an end to the Big Tea monopoly, save women, children and minorities, stop heart disease, and end the senseless deaths of tea related auto accidents and shootings.

Posted by: 21st Century King George at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (71OEY)

353 Ace, it was your original post on e-cigs that got me to try them. I quit cigarettes cold turkey two years ago, thanks to you.

Damn the SOBs who can't keep their noses out of other people's business.

Posted by: creeper at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (X3XVv)

354 "316
293,

Exactly. I have a severe latex allergy. Forgot to wear gloves the
other day while changing one of the kids bike tires (toy style
plastic)...

So ban plastic toys?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 02, 2016 02:22 PM (C9pBZ)"

A book you might find interesting is "Growing America's Rubber". It is about the people who saw the rubber shortages during WW I and figured that something similar might happen if there was another war so they went looking for other plants that contained latex. They found quite a lot of them. If you go to the Edison Museum in Fort Meyers, Florida you will see a lot of the trees that Edison had planted as potential sources of latex to be harvested for rubber.

Anyway, that might help you understand why you get irritation from some seemingly random plants.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (QHgTq)

355 318
I would be interested to see scientific evidence that some people do not suffer loss of lung capacity or decreased oxygen levels in their blood from smoking.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 02, 2016 02:23 PM
------------------
Okay, I should have said "no MAJOR adverse effects."
And of course, it depends on how much one smokes.

There are smokers who are in great aerobic shape and never get smoking-related illnesses. That is a fact.
There are also people who win the lottery.

All I'm saying is that the case against smoking, like the case against putting your life savings on powerball, is statistical.
So people can always find statistical outliers--- but you'd be a damned fool to ignore the odds.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (T/5A0)

356 >>>when my mother, who has late stage COPD, finally quit smoking she
coughed like crazy for a while. My sister too. Their bodies were
expelling all the crap in their lungs. My sister is still quit
suseptible to lung issues

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)"

when you quit you go through a week of expectorating all the shit you had fouled your lungs with. It's a real eye-opener.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 02:35 PM (dciA+)

357 Yeah. Waiting for the idiotic, taxpayer-funded propaganda (that achieves that perfect progessiver, er, fascist balance of smarm, ignorance, exaggeration, and arrogance) warning people about the perils of pot smoking.

Not that the pathetic, embarrassing husk of a country and culture that remains today lacks for outlandish expressions of its idiocy, but the CA anti-smoking stuff is notable.

And ace - exercise, my man.

You've heard it here a zillion times, but it's true.

It comes in many forms, all completely customizable to personal tastes and circumstances. But some vigorous exercise, raising the heart rate and stretching the body, will give you a sense of well-being matching, say, what you would feel if you saw video of Hillary in prison orange, and uniformed military turning their backs on former president Fuckstick.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 02, 2016 02:36 PM (QDnY+)

358 my hammer of god mod (it's a clone) would make for a killer fist filler

Posted by: the dude at June 02, 2016 02:36 PM (SyKbw)

359 2 of the most self righteous people in the world...reformed smokers and born-agains.

The word you're looking for here isn't "self-righteous" its "evangelistic." They generally don't think more of themselves morally than you, they just have found something wonderful they want everyone to have a part of, and are obnoxious about it like an overeager puppy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 02, 2016 02:38 PM (39g3+)

360 You drive an exhaust spewing car, right???

Goose, gander, irony...... some sense of assembly required.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 02, 2016 02:34 PM (8XRCm)

Yep. But not in a bar. I save my dirt bike for that. Two-stroke smoke clings better.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2016 02:38 PM (GSdpU)

361 What I love about the Left is they think your body is theirs to worry about.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2016 02:41 PM (oDCMR)

362 247
Inre harmful effects of smoking, I'll just say that I limit myself to
cigars, average fewer than 7/week, and based on the research that was
done before such things became politicized I'm comfortable with any
risks to my health.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 02, 2016 02:07 PM (eytER)

Ditto. I smoke one cigar a day. On rare occasions...I may have a second. They are delicious.

Posted by: Sixkiller at June 02, 2016 02:43 PM (pcyHg)

363 Same here. The one thing that struck me after I quit was how shitty smokers smelled all the time and thinking, damn did I smell like that too? It was depressing.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 02, 2016 02:21 PM (0LHZx)

I gave it up when I was getting married (only 2-3 a day, down from a personal high of a half a pack at one point) and went back a couple of weeks later to look in the closet for a jacket I'd worn on one of my last nights smoking. It reeked of smoke, and the items next to it had taken on some of the smell. I couldn't believe the smell had held on for all that time.

I remember, growing up in the south, when smoking was very widespread. A lot of restaurants didn't have nonsmoking sections, or they were small. The bank my parents used didn't have A/C-it had those rotating fans suspended from the ceiling- and I remember the metal ashtrays in the line. Imagine a hot South Carolina summer indoors with no A/C and the occasional smoker. I also remember the local Piggly Wiggly having ashtrays at the ends of several of the aisles. I didn't think until later about people walking through the produce sections, puffing away.

Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at June 02, 2016 02:43 PM (sPO/s)

364 234
>>>214 I will continue to eat, drink, and smoke what I want, when I want.

Nothing these loons say or do will change that.

Posted by: SMFH

this

me too

Posted by: concrete girl at June 02, 2016 02:04 PM (ceWrl)
*******************That's what mr. creeper said. He died in January of COPD.

Posted by: creeper at June 02, 2016 02:43 PM (X3XVv)

365 356 >>>when my mother, who has late stage COPD, finally quit smoking she
coughed like crazy for a while. My sister too. Their bodies were
expelling all the crap in their lungs. My sister is still quit
suseptible to lung issues

Posted by: ThunderB at June 02, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)"

when you quit you go through a week of expectorating all the shit you had fouled your lungs with. It's a real eye-opener.
----------------------
Again, stay hydrated and your body is quite capable of handling all sorts of nasty. Most smokers combine caffeine (a diuretic) (i.e. coffee, tea, soda) with smoking. Smoking itself will dry you out without the caffeine.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2016 02:44 PM (oDCMR)

366 So here is something serious. The Founders always assumed Americans could protect their freedoms and, if the government got too intrusive, citizens could organize and revolt. That's why the Constitution originally gave only citizens the right to bear arms and specifically prohibited the government from having any military capability at all.

That's reversed now, or nearly so. Once Hillary gets elected the final touches go on the program but it's largely already done.

Nowadays, you can't even organize an anti-government group without being branded a terror suspect and, soon, ordinary Americans will no longer be able to hide. You will indeed be made to comply and there is no hiding.

Every intersection in my town has cameras, as do most towns on the east coast. Cameras are everywhere, along with plate readers, EZ Pass monitors, cell phone towers, and, now, widely available facial recognition.

It's the end of revolutions, at least here. The last American revolution has already happened. The only opinions that matter are those of the people in power.

http://tinyurl.com/zgrrzst

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at June 02, 2016 02:44 PM (/m8T6)

367 And on the subject of harmful vapors, stop burning those petroleum based candles in your homes. If you want to breathe that crap in on a regular basis, you might as well smoke. Or suck on the exhaust pipe of my diesel truck. If you want to burn candles, buy beeswax candles...they smell great, no harmful fumes.

Posted by: Sixkiller at June 02, 2016 02:49 PM (pcyHg)

368 Screwing us cigar smokers too. $300,000 and 2 or 3 years to get a single cigar size approved if it wasn't sold before 2007.

Posted by: awhindy at June 02, 2016 02:49 PM (zeWWc)

369 You won't be able to smoke anything but weed. It makes you stupid.

Posted by: torabora at June 02, 2016 02:51 PM (YPJUg)

370 150
>>>I've got to get Carr's book as you and other's have told me that it is really worth it.

it's fantastic. it has a key insight that i've applied to other bad
habits (like twitter or patronizing disney/marvel) -- "willpower" is
ineffectual for quitting something. The only way to quit is to accept
that you simply don't wish to do it any longer.

if you are convinced that the thing you wish to quit is "good" but
you will summon the willpower to avoid this Great Thing, you will fail.

To quit something, you have to internalize the idea that it is undesirable.

Posted by: ace at June 02, 2016 01:47 PM (dciA+)
I also really enjoyed Carrs books even though at the time I was not a smoker or fatty but what I was was dependent on Porn to feel "normal." The principles in his book that I adapted are about how our Brains get conditioned so we don't feel "normal" without something and this creates cravings.
Once I understand how my cycles of failed willpower are what create and reinforce the obsession and need, I then began trying to encourage myself to enjoy and appreciate ie replace the negative with more virtuous things. I was surprised how the "cravings" went away.
Of course rather then turning porn off in shame after firing one off, I instead left the porn on and made myself watch it. Thats a long 5-10 minutes of boredom etc that went a long way to killing the love of it for me.
Seems so simple in retrospect and it applies to how we deal with how we turn boredom into misery.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 02, 2016 02:53 PM (G7wcY)

371 When I quit smoking at 28 -- having smoked for half my life -- I felt like hell every day for four full months. I knew this was my body throwing off the toxins. I drank a lot of water, and walked every day.

Posted by: Lurkette at June 02, 2016 02:54 PM (PLmfk)

372 How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all your beer while on a fishing trip?

Easy: invite TWO Baptists!

Posted by: WaldoTJ at June 02, 2016 03:06 PM (M1MpJ)

373 Who's up for a Sunday Afternoon Vape Thread? Setups. Liquids. Updates from the front. Retailers will line up around the block to offer 20% off and free shipping with the coupon code ACE.

Posted by: Desmondo at June 02, 2016 03:11 PM (zsQy2)

374 Who's up for a Sunday Afternoon Vape Thread? Setups. Liquids. Updates from the front. Retailers will line up around the block to offer 20% off and free shipping with the coupon code ACE.

Posted by: Desmondo at June 02, 2016 03:11 PM (zsQy2)

Free market capitalism at its finest!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 02, 2016 03:13 PM (wYnyS)

375 Put this in your e-cig and smoke it:

House Speaker Paul Ryan says he will vote for Donald Trump; 'confident' he'll turn House GOP agenda into law - GazetteXtra

Read more on gazettextra.com

Wery eenteresting....

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at June 02, 2016 03:18 PM (hTqVx)

376 I would have said "ominous", Meremortal, but I get your drift.

Posted by: creeper at June 02, 2016 03:28 PM (X3XVv)

377 I appreciate the insight on a correlation between panic episodes and nicotine. Never really thought about that

Posted by: Clarney at June 02, 2016 03:38 PM (RrfdV)

378 How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all your beer while on a fishing trip?

Easy: invite TWO Baptists!
-----------

What happens at the river, stays at the river.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 02, 2016 04:23 PM (9mTYi)

379 I appreciate the insight on a correlation between panic episodes and nicotine. Never really thought about that
Posted by: Clarney
------------

Heh.
I'm out of smokes!
*panic attack commences*

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 02, 2016 04:24 PM (9mTYi)

380 I've noticed that some e-cigers take several deep breaths in a row. This can wash the CO2 out of your system, and cause increased heart rate and anxiety.

Remedy. Stop breathing.

Posted by: Lance de Boyle at June 02, 2016 04:30 PM (Vwb3R)

381 "studies have shown that every single illness or malady is worse for smokers. Colds last longer, flus hit stronger, etc"

Yeah, you may be right, ace. And then I think, what if I'm hooked again and my allergies are still bad? Crap shoot with bad odds...

Posted by: PJ at June 02, 2016 04:53 PM (cHuNI)

382 374

I would be up for such a thing. tmi3rd once advertised my show that I do online in regard to e-cigs and the laws around them. If you're on the Facebook you can feel free to join the group we made for such a thing. It's called Morons Mods - AoSHQ Vapers. We need some new life in the group and we're mostly nice.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/642708019159140/?ref=bookmarks

Posted by: Amazing Tom Grace at June 02, 2016 05:02 PM (dfQ4e)

383 BTW, Ace, they make 0mg, too, so you can mix the 6mg down, and then still have the sensation of the vape, but with 3mg concentrations, and then 0mg. That's what I did, and it worked very well.

Posted by: SARDiver at June 02, 2016 05:18 PM (Z3iry)

384 I myself use 3mg. And I mix my own sometimes down as low as 1mg.

Posted by: Amazing Tom Grace at June 02, 2016 05:37 PM (dfQ4e)

385 I've been cig free for 2 yrs now (pack a day) because I am able to vape. What my government is telling me is that I can no longer enjoy my vape, but can run down to the corner store and get a pack of smokes. Makes perfect sense.

Thankfully I DIY and have enough to keep me in business for about 5 yrs.

Posted by: Kimberino at June 02, 2016 05:48 PM (jLvOE)

386 Government is what we name the things we do together

---
"Government" is a trigger word. Now I need a safe space.

-> Rape is also a thing people do with other people, just that everybody doesn't get to pick the activity.

Posted by: Axeman at June 02, 2016 05:49 PM (2mC6G)

387 Ace, and anyone else interested. I'm a long time lurker, first time commenter and a moron since before being a moron was cool. Anyhow, if you're interested in giving up smokes, try hypnotism. I smoked for about 17 yrs. and a couple of months ago gave it a try. Pretty much finished after the first session. Paid for 4 sessions. Long story short, I'm a former smoker. Give it a try.

Posted by: Jacob at June 02, 2016 07:28 PM (EBQLY)

388 Now the new prigs -- the left, determined to ban any habit they don't personally enjoy -- is teaming up with cigarette companies to regulate e-cigs out of existence.

It's not just lefty scolds and tobacco companies. Drug companies are making bank from prescription nicotine gums and patches. That's a multi-billion dollar industry.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 02, 2016 07:59 PM (+dM6I)

389 I smoked from about age 17 to just about 50. It seemed the whole world smoked way back when. I quit using the patch, and wound up addicted to the patch - I never could get past "step 2" and wound up smoking again.

I tried chantix, gum, lozenges (made me nauseous), patches again, cold turkey (I was nearly homicidal!). About 3yrs ago I discovered e-cigs - I tried them & have never looked back. I don't pretend they're healthy, but they're better than malboro's. I don't cough up a lung I the morning & it doesn't feel like a truck parked in my mouth overnight.

I vape discreetly inthe office, vape in hotel rooms, bars... Pretty much where ever I want. - I'm not a jerk about it. E-cigs changed my life & got me off tobacco.

- Ken

Posted by: Kenyg at June 02, 2016 09:29 PM (0s6C/)

390 Contrary to widespread belief, nicotine really isn't harmful at all in the quantities ingested in smoking or vaping. It gets a bad rap because it's associated with smoking, but there's very little evidence that it's any more harmful than caffeine--which is to say, negligible.

Modern humans ingest all sorts of substances not found in nature, and for the most part, we do fine. Most pre-menopausal women take in huge quantities of artificial hormones over several decades and even there, there's a pretty small health impact. On the great scale of health concerns associated with living in modernity, nicotine ranks very low on any objective reading.

Even tobacco isn't all that bad when properly prepared. The Swedish have been using snus (pasteurized tobacco in little pouches you put under your lip) for ages, and they have among the lowest cancer rates in Europe. American "dip" tobacco is a fair bit worse: it's not pasteurized, and it retains nitrosamines which are apparently quite harmful.

Late in the thread, but thought I should counter-signal a little. Vape to your heart's content.

Posted by: Murray at June 02, 2016 10:01 PM (nUb3Z)

391 Just follow the money. The childrens have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Buffalbob at June 03, 2016 12:52 AM (8nL8o)

392
--Government is what we name the things we do together -- like waging perpetual war on each other.

THAT's quotable. Poetic.Should beon bumper stickers, t-shirts, and coffee cups. Text worthy of being the caption on a brass plate attached to a monument.

Posted by: Charlotte at June 03, 2016 07:29 AM (fBckc)

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