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Marco Rubio Babies Stunned to Discover He's a Professional Politician. Sad!

So Marco Rubio is making a difficult, but adult, decision:






Now his fanclub of Adult Babies and semi-right-wing (but kinda liberal) Social Justice Warriors are all pissing hot pathetic tears from their eyedicks.

If I were this pathetic, I'd hide it, not exult further in it.

But as I've said all along: Rubio People Are Silly.

This is a nothingburger. I can't believe this, but I gotta defend Rubio: He's living in the real world, not the stupid, craven Twitter Bubble that semi-right-wing adult babies have locked themselves into, where they think all their Feelings Are Real.

This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

Frivolous people are gotta frivol.

You know, it's very easy to Remain True to Your Twitter-Announced Principles when you have zero responsibility and zero obligation and zero impact on the actual world.

People should stop congratulating themselves so much for being irrelevant and not having any actual effect on the universe beyond Twitter.


This Adds Evidence... to my thesis that Marco Rubio support was never really about this policy or that one. It was about Rubio being a class avatar for a particular cohort, upper middle class college-educated types.

Rubio wasn't primarily a candidate of any particular policy slate; he was simply, like Obama, a vessel into which people hoped would pour out validation for themselves and their particular (provincial) cultural cohort.

He was just the Sarah Palin of the upper middle class set. By exulting in his alleged integrity and singular moral beauty, they necessarily -- passive-aggressively -- exult in their own pristine moral beauty.

And now he's taken that from them -- they can no longer get high on their own supply of moral beauty. Or at least, they can't get high by whiffing off Marco Rubio. I guess to continue insisting upon themselves now requires them to denounce Rubio.

Ego: It's a hell of a drug.

Self-claimed "thinkers" should think more and believe less. This really shouldn't be a contest of how fervently some maniac believes in silly things.

Posted by: Ace at 11:41 AM




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1 first?

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:43 AM (iWo0u)

2 MARCO??

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:43 AM (iWo0u)

3 polo

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:43 AM (iWo0u)

4 I feel so alone

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:44 AM (iWo0u)

5 anybody here?

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:44 AM (iWo0u)

6 Mr. Rubeola is making a pragmatic decision. Who'd have thought?

Posted by: huerfano at May 27, 2016 11:45 AM (NSb9d)

7 Am i at the wrong website?

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:45 AM (iWo0u)

8 I've seen more pathetic than that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2016 11:46 AM (sl+zA)

9 I saw Eyedicks open for Circle Jerks back in '89 at Robert E. Lee High School

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 27, 2016 11:46 AM (RKQ/v)

10

I'm with you Ace.

He's showing a mature response.

No Hillary.

I don't get the backlash. It's insane. It shows you that the people complaining cannot step up to professionalism or maturity, adulthood no matter what.

It shows the character of those tossing the stones.

babies is right

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:46 AM (qCMvj)

11 Oh, ace took a hit off the Twitter pipe and thought he could control it this time.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 11:46 AM (1xUj/)

12 Thought i was going to get the first 10 comments there ...Hi huerfano And yes he is ......

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at May 27, 2016 11:47 AM (iWo0u)

13

Cruz needs to follow suit.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:47 AM (qCMvj)

14 The chattering class is being brutal to Rubio this morning..

But, as you put it, Ace, he's living in the real world..

It's time for him to eat some shit and kiss the ring..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 11:48 AM (so+oy)

15 Good for Rubio.

If you really care about these issues, the idea that you're willing to put Hillary in office to prove some point about "decency" is beyond stupid.

I really think 99% of this is people hoping the day after the Election on Twitter to say "I told you so"

They really are willing to help Hillary win to have that moment.

Posted by: Maritime at May 27, 2016 11:48 AM (LZgax)

16
13

Cruz needs to follow suit.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:47 AM (qCMvj)

That should be entertaining.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 11:48 AM (MQEz6)

17 If Marco keeps up this strong talk, Ace might give me some hot late night action again...

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage Can at May 27, 2016 11:49 AM (12kBq)

18 If Rubio is living in the real world, that means he's quit Twitter, right?

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (VndSC)

19 Dondi is not a complete idiot, it seems.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (MQEz6)

20 My friends, we have nothing to fear with Hillary Clinton in the White House...

Posted by: John McCain at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (12kBq)

21 I don't think Cruz actually will endorse Trump for a variety of reasons (including the fact that being a principled conservative is more central to his brand).

But whether he does or not, I don't care, and I won't cry like an imbecilic adult baby about it either way.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

22 Stay hydrated this Memorial Day weekend! I know I will!

-Marco

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Health Tips at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (gwG9s)

23 The #NeverTrump Mafia has jumped the shark.



Posted by: JEM at May 27, 2016 11:51 AM (o+SC1)

24 @TheRickWilson hardest hit

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2016 11:51 AM (Zu3d9)

25

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Poll data shows that @marcorubio does by far the best in holding onto his Senate seat in Florida. Important to keep the MAJORITY. Run Marco!

stole this from hotair

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/27/trump-embraces-rubio-run-for-senate-again-marco/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:51 AM (qCMvj)

26 They really are willing to help Hillary win to have that moment.
-----------------------

That's like cutting off your dick to make a point.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 27, 2016 11:51 AM (VndSC)

27 "This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen."

You ain't seen nothin' yet. The #6 dance hasn't started.

Posted by: Gulermo at May 27, 2016 11:52 AM (Z9Pe7)

28 I've said it before, but every cycle it astounds me anew A) how hard people go after their primary opponents, knowing that they'll have to work together in the general, and B) people coming together in the general after saying so many horrible things about each other.

Rubio's said really nasty (not necessarily false) things about Trump that we wondered if or how he'd walk them back. And now look.

Same pattern as always, though this season seems to be more extreme in the rhetoric so the coming-together is especially strange-looking.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 27, 2016 11:52 AM (u0s1P)

29 Stay hydrated this Memorial Day weekend! I know I will!



-Marco>>>

Vodka looks like water will that work?

Posted by: Hic Hillary at May 27, 2016 11:53 AM (Mxs5H)

30

sadly, even Allah is in this category

/sigh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:53 AM (qCMvj)

31 I gave Mornay double his lands in Scotland, matching estates in England.

Rubio turned for much less.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 11:53 AM (/tuJf)

32 21 I don't think Cruz actually will endorse Trump for a variety of reasons (including the fact that being a principled conservative is more central to his brand).

But whether he does or not, I don't care, and I won't cry like an imbecilic adult baby about it either way.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

He would be a prime VP pick, if it weren't for the fact that he's a Secret Cuban Special Agent in Her Royal Majesty's Royal Police.

Posted by: West Town at May 27, 2016 11:53 AM (Y3C5w)

33 My hand babies are crying white hot tears of disappointment.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at May 27, 2016 11:53 AM (87Gcx)

34 Excellent, now, in'shallah, Marco will fade away.


Then, Cruz will endorse, and remain in the ring as a key player.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 11:53 AM (QDnY+)

35 and in before principles declarations

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 11:54 AM (nFwvY)

36 Just a quick question - why does everything have to resolve into "tears"?

Or is that just a current day shorthand?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at May 27, 2016 11:54 AM (C9pBZ)

37 At least he still has his boat.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 11:54 AM (PLnZs)

38 This is actually the right tactic to appeal to non-Trump supporters like me. I will turn my attention to what is the most important thing - No Hillary. If I go to my polling place on 11/8 and the choices are Hillary and a narcissist who proudly knows nothing about anything; I'll do what I have to do. Until then, pray for a miracle.

Posted by: duke at May 27, 2016 11:54 AM (EQNFN)

39 People should stop congratulating themselves so much for being irrelevant

If HRC gets elected we'll be praying to be irrelevant.

Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2016 11:54 AM (DL2i+)

40
21 I don't think Cruz actually will endorse Trump for a variety of reasons (including the fact that being a principled conservative is more central to his brand).

But whether he does or not, I don't care, and I won't cry like an imbecilic adult baby about it either way.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

Cruz faces a test.

What he says and does regarding Trump will shape his future.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (MQEz6)

41 It obvious the protesters are astroturf - 1) their signs all are identical and 2) the spelling is correct.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (VndSC)

42 "I don't think Cruz actually will endorse Trump for a
variety of reasons...."

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

I disagree, in part out of a (probably naive) hope that Cruz starts being a little more politically aware.

There are many ways he can endorse Trump without coming out full-bore for his chaotic policies. And a gentle endorsement of Trump will ease some of the acrimony.

#NeverClinton will work just fine.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (Zu3d9)

43 Also: Donald Trump is a piece of shit. I understand #NeverHillary and I'm not #NeverTrump yet, but damn, he's making it very hard.

I think that ace is a principled person, so what he says carries a lot of weight with me.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (Y3C5w)

44 Thanks for keeping us sane, ace.

Posted by: Max Power at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (q177U)

45

#NeverHitlery is all that matters.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (KId5h)

46 If they're girls, it would be eye-cooters.
Trannys? I have no idea.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (QM5S2)

47 Oh, ace took a hit off the Twitter pipe and thought he could control it this time.
One tweet's too many and a million is not enough!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 11:55 AM (PLnZs)

48 I don't think Cruz actually will endorse Trump for a variety of reasons (including the fact that being a principled conservative is more central to his brand).

But whether he does or not, I don't care, and I won't cry like an imbecilic adult baby about it either way.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

I guess we'll see if his principles trump his religion. He seems the type to "forgive" but who knows. He wore his religion on his sleeve a lot during the campaign (something that probably hurt him), so we'll see how he handles it. I think it would show he is the better man. Principles of Hillary v Principles of Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (qCMvj)

49 Marco Rubio's problems with Trump were more than policy differences (and so were yours, Ace).

1. If you honestly believed it's a danger to hand him the nuclear codes,

2. If you honestly believed he doesn't have any concept of executive restraint,

3. If you honestly believed he doesn't know very basic concepts of civics and world affairs,

4. If you honestly believed he's prepared to engage in a whole host of unconstitutional acts,

Then the choice between Trump and the corrupt harpy is, at minimum, not an easy decision.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (Q+fXS)

50 pissing hot pathetic tears from their eyedicks.





Poetry. Pure poetry.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (EdhH3)

51 Hilarious thing about the Rubio Butt Hurt Brigade....

Uh Rubio fans weren't you the ones telling us that Mark fluffing Schumer was "politics and grow up?"

Grow up, Mark the Rube may be a rube but he is a pro by gadfry he knows which way the wind blows.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (g8Hfr)

52 47 Oh, ace took a hit off the Twitter pipe and thought he could control it this time.
---------------------------

Bitch set ace up.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2016 11:57 AM (VndSC)

53 This seems rather odd.

Doing the expedient thing that gains you your personal selfish immediate wants right now at the expense of future benefits is the adult thing to do.

Doing the less than ideal at the moment thing that has potential for a better future outcome on the other hand is the baby thing to do.

I am starting to think that Ace has come down with something bad.

Posted by: astonerii at May 27, 2016 11:57 AM (ia088)

54 38,
Agreed. "Madame President Clinton" worrys me far more than President Trump...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at May 27, 2016 11:57 AM (C9pBZ)

55 So the Frivolous Volk eat Frivoli?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2016 11:57 AM (Gsah1)

56 Rubio's said really nasty (not necessarily false) things about Trump that we wondered if or how he'd walk them back. And now look.

Same pattern as always, though this season seems to be more extreme in the rhetoric so the coming-together is especially strange-looking.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 27, 2016 11:52 AM (u0s1P)


Did he walk them back or turn the other cheek?

He tweets this:

Marco Rubio

Funny piece by @philipaklein. Easy to be a "keyboard cowboy".I actually ran & spent year away from home trying to prevent choice before us

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 11:58 AM (qCMvj)

57 My bet is that Cruz will get a speaking spot at the convention, and will endorse there.

For max effect.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 27, 2016 11:58 AM (M0ddJ)

58 He's like the referee in profressional wrestling. You don't really need him but it's not the same without him.

Posted by: CrustyB at May 27, 2016 11:58 AM (GvSpB)

59 People kvetch about Madam Chaing-kai Shek. Hillary! makes her and Imelda Marcos look like a couple of novice nuns.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2016 11:59 AM (Gsah1)

60 Eyedicks? (Considers.) (Things about positional logistics.) (Considers some more.)

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 11:59 AM (PjWy4)

61 Pathetic is right.

What the fuck happened to this country? Did the main of the body politic take a Become a Touchy Feely and Unthinking-- If Not Downright Stupid-- Pussy Pill or do they just identify as being such?

I'm going to start drinking hard again. Nothing but 80 proof and above. Starting early in the morning this time.

Posted by: oddnot says ~sigh~ at May 27, 2016 11:59 AM (g1MTt)

62 I agree with the position that #nevertrumpers should just proceed with radio silence. Their continued attacks at this time have the opposite effect of what they profess to want.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 11:59 AM (2DYky)

63
1. If you honestly believed it's a danger to hand him the nuclear codes,



2. If you honestly believed he doesn't have any concept of executive restraint,



3. If you honestly believed he doesn't know very basic concepts of civics and world affairs,



4. If you honestly believed he's prepared to engage in a whole host of unconstitutional acts,



...then you also have to concede that you don't simply believe those things about Hillary, you know them beyond any shadow of doubt.


C'mon.


Also, first time I've ever seen the word frivol used. I had to scratch my head. "Does that word exist outside the use 'frivolous'? It must, I guess, but... yep, checked dictionary, it does exist."


Ace o' Spades: Come for the withering social critique, stay for the English lessons.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at May 27, 2016 11:59 AM (6JL3d)

64 Another good thing about Trump's candidacy is that it has exposed the fact to political theater participants on the right that they can be every bit as vacuous and superficial in their beliefs and convictions as participants on the left.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:00 PM (4ng05)

65 Cruz has his delegates, who may be bound to vote, but will write the platform. For what that's worth.

May be more substantial in charting the direction of the party than Trump.

Fitting for these myopic times.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:00 PM (Y3C5w)

66
Good for him for trying to prevent the donk crook from getting elected.

I really wonder if they are going to kick the indictment/non indictment to after the election in order to shield Hills.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:00 PM (iQIUe)

67 Doc, it hurts when I pee from my eyedick. Can you help me?

Posted by: TexasDan at May 27, 2016 12:00 PM (M0ddJ)

68 and Ace really?

Look I get what you're saying about Mark Palin....

but THIS

http://tinyurl.com/77ptbpq

Sarah Palin-hot

vs

THIS

http://tinyurl.com/h5cjzbh

Marco Rubio-Aquaman....


"yeah"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:00 PM (g8Hfr)

69 From a career perspective, someone here said (yesterday?) that Rubio should have endorsed Trump before Cruz dropped out, when his delegates would have been of great value. Which I agree with.
But seeing the reactions of his fans even now when it's moot, I guess he was scared of what they'd do.

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 12:01 PM (7lVbc)

70 Party platforms are meaningless except to give the opposition talking points.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:01 PM (1xUj/)

71 Republican women must put their foot down! On my tongue!

Posted by: Quentin Tarantino at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (87Gcx)

72 Posted by: astonerii

be careful while stroking your chindick

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (nFwvY)

73 Bandersnatch, or the plank...

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (Gsah1)

74 Maybe, possibly, perhaps T. rump is actually in the race for the win, but I'm still unconvinced... I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...

A T. rump presidency would likely lead to a perpetual "Idiocracy", IMO, and that is truly unacceptable and insufferable!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (kP16F)

75 I'm glad he did this, Rubio. And Trump was gracious enough - and clever enough - to realize that the Repubs need to hold his seat in Florida.

All of this, people, is nothing personal - it's just business.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (lutOX)

76 Love the ones that thought Rubio was actually a Conservative.
A few of them revealed themselves to really be dems IMHO.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (+aCe4)

77 49 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (Q+fXS)

Allow me to congratulate you an awakening from your 8 year slumber...

things have changed a little bit in your temporary absence....

Welcome to the USSA

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (g8Hfr)

78 The man finally took a hit off the reality pipe. The manchildren and womenchildren- not so much.

By the way, these people whose entire existence is based on social media are telling us they are much more "principled" than Rubio. Not only do I believe they don't know what that word means, I have reason to believe their entire existence is fiction.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (O0lVq)

79 70 Party platforms are meaningless except to give the opposition talking points.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:01 PM (1xUj/)

Well, and it adds a little flourish when you screw the base.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (M0ddJ)

80 Trump has made it hard for Cruz to endorse him. Trump's personal attack on his wife and 'just asking questions' about infidelity is a big mountain to climb to get to an endorsement. I suspect Cruz will be swayed that it's Country over personal.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (2DYky)

81 Doc, my eye dick has been this way for four hours.........

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (QM5S2)

82 I'm not just a thinker, I'm a Critical thinker !

Posted by: SJW at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (9mTYi)

83 I don't know if this was the finalized version but didn't Cruz and all the rest of the candidates swear...

I [name] affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States, I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is. I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (PLnZs)

84 ...then you also have to concede that you don't simply believe those things about Hillary, you know them beyond any shadow of doubt.

No, I don't, which is why this is a more difficult decision than it should be for me.

I believe Hillary is indelibly corrupt and doesn't care about the Constitution. She'll also turn the U.S. even more liberal.

I don't believe she lacks an understanding of basic civics and, whatever I think of her, I don't believe it's a danger to hand her the nuclear codes...as long as she doesn't email them.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (Q+fXS)

85 I'm going to start drinking hard again. Nothing but 80 proof and above. Starting early in the morning this time.
Posted by: oddnot says ~sigh~ at May 27, 2016 11:59 AM (g1MTt)

As I always tell people after a bad break up, don't let a bad relationship (bf or gf) destroy the rest of your life.

Don't destroy your own health over politics.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:04 PM (qCMvj)

86 So here is a pertinent question.

Of these Rubio Twitter followers, how many were merely Ben Rhodes sock-puppets? Or Soros puppets? Or like many of Gaylord's followers, fictitious?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2016 12:04 PM (Gsah1)

87 I [name] affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States, I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is. I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (PLnZs)

Actually, you're right. I think Cruz already came out and said he would support Trump. When he was bowing out. nm

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:05 PM (qCMvj)

88 Another good thing about Trump's candidacy is that it has exposed the fact to political theater participants on the right that they can be every bit as vacuous and superficial in their beliefs and convictions as participants on the left.

Can't argue with that. I respect the Trump supporters a hell of a lot more than the bandwagon jumpers.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (Q+fXS)

89 Cruz has his delegates, who may be bound to vote, but will write the platform. For what that's worth.


May be more substantial in charting the direction of the party than Trump.


Fitting for these myopic times. Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:00 PM (Y3C5w)
=====

My optimistic self is thinking someone has to lead the next generation.

He's smart enough to make his endorsement party-specific and take his votes to make more noise in the Senate.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (MIKMs)

90 It's like having your arm trapped between two boulders and no help in sight. The last thing you want to do is amputate your own arm, except for that other last thing you don't want to do (die).

#neverhillary >> #nevertrump

But a serious question for the #neverhillary and #nevertrump crowd -- What if Hillary does go out over this email thing -- Will you vote for Bernie?

*this may actually happen, you know*

*pukes*

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (gyKtp)

91 So I guess Rubio is on the VP shortlist or Trump has promised to help him win the FL governorship? One or the other.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (oDCMR)

92 I've destabilized the nation. I've destabilized the world. It's more interesting that way. You're welcome.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (87Gcx)

93

ot

Ben's on the podcast, must listen!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (qCMvj)

94 Is that a dick in your eye, or are you just bulging ceaseless animosity?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (O0lVq)

95 I suspect Cruz will be swayed that it's Country over personal.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
----------

Probably. There is, of course, a difference between endorsing 'Not Hillary' and endorsing Trump. As it happens, I am rather uncomfortably and unhappily in that camp also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (9mTYi)

96 84 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (Q+fXS)

She lacks a basic understanding of civics unless civics has been redefined to "grant CITIZENSHIP by executive whim to illegals here and their families in country of origin"

I understand the angst about Orange Toupee Weasel, I don't understand the need to pretend Hillary is interested in Constitutional governance.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (g8Hfr)

97 It's sad to say this but in this day and age of feckless conservatives who will lemmingly elect Hillary to save the Republican party from........Something other than a truck load of sour grapes.

Rubio has earned some respect from me that just didn't exist before. He went to battle, took some arrows, came back and healed and now he will to the logical, sensible, sane thing and vote to defeat Hillary, the most rabid progressive of our lifetimes.
Great job Marco.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (bdzyz)

98 74 Maybe, possibly, perhaps T. rump is actually in the race for the win, but I'm still unconvinced... I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...

I'm afraid You are going to be in for a rude awakening....

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (O2RFr)

99 Mike Hammer's cat 2016

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (Gsah1)

100 80 Trump has made it hard for Cruz to endorse him. Trump's personal attack on his wife and 'just asking questions' about infidelity is a big mountain to climb to get to an endorsement. I suspect Cruz will be swayed that it's Country over personal.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (2DYky)
----------------

Just a reminder, Trump believes that Ted Cruz's Father has been complicit in more murders than Vladimir Putin.

The fact that Hil is awful doesn't change that.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (mFkVC)

101

Ahh, left over pizza and fresh brewed ice tea for brunch. The simple pleasures of a day working at home.

The Battle of the Sot versus the Snot. RIP America.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (KId5h)

102 Trump has made it hard for Cruz to endorse him. Trump's personal attack on his wife and 'just asking questions' about infidelity is a big mountain to climb to get to an endorsement. I suspect Cruz will be swayed that it's Country over personal.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck


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The whole wife thing was definitely the low moment of his campaign, but Trump retweeted a pic someone had sent him that was a bad picture of Cruz wife next to a good picture of his wife.

It was in response to a Super Pac ad that showed scantily clad Mrs. Trump saying "do you want this as your first lady!! Vote Ted Cruz"


No ta good moment for either campaign, but this is basically a Yo Mamma! type joke that you would tell to adoloscents.

If you really believe the issues in front of you are life and death, I think I could look past a candidate saying his wife is hotter than mine.

Posted by: Maritime at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (LZgax)

103 pissing hot pathetic tears from their eyedicks.

Poetry. Pure poetry.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (EdhH3)

hehe, scares me

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (qCMvj)

104 He's done with politics in 8 months, why the hell is he making an idiot out of himself by supporting (and offering to speak publicly on behalf of, in a high-profile venue) the guy he accurately pegged as a crook and a con artist out to demolish the conservative legacy for his own nefarious purposes? I mean, Rubio went WAAAAY past Rick Perry in calling out Trump, if it's silly for Perry to have an about face it's almost incomprehensible for Rubio, especially since he has no ambitions and nothing to gain from trying to appease the Trumpies.

Posted by: cjw at May 27, 2016 12:08 PM (onydf)

105 >>Trump has made it hard for Cruz to endorse him. Trump's personal attack on his wife and 'just asking questions' about infidelity is a big mountain to climb to get to an endorsement. I suspect Cruz will be swayed that it's Country over personal.

Or maybe just asking questions about whether or not Cruz's dad was in on the JFK assassination. Those kinds of things are a tad outside normal political back and forth.

Eh, as much as Rubio or anyone else may be going back on previous statements to endorse Trump, Trump himself is flipping around and accepting the endorsements of people he said some pretty nasty shit about.

It's all theater for ugly people.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:08 PM (/tuJf)

106 Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (PLnZs)

So do you believe there are no circumstances that could occur in which this pledge can be broken?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:08 PM (2DYky)

107 WHAT? Democrats don't play fair? Unpossible!

Posted by: Paladin at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (4kpbt)

108 Maybe, possibly, perhaps T. rump is actually in the race for the win, but I'm still unconvinced...

I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...




Not without a whole lot of shooting.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (EdhH3)

109 106 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:08 PM (2DYky)

Certainly....should those circumstances rise above "fuck I did not win!"

Probably.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (g8Hfr)

110 The Battle of the Sot versus the Snot. RIP America.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (KId5h)

*Snort* Excellent summation. Heart-rending for our country, of course, but still excellent.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (PjWy4)

111 She lacks a basic understanding of civics unless civics has been redefined to "grant CITIZENSHIP by executive whim to illegals here and their families in country of origin"

Oh come on, she knows judges don't sign bills, the basics of the three branches of government, how the interrelate, etc.

Now, whether she cares about them is an entirely different story.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (Q+fXS)

112 Trump's appeal, to me, is going to be built on who he brings onto his team. If Cruz/Thomas are involved in SCOTUS choices, Sessions/Cotton are in charge of immigration, and others are brought onto the policy development and cabinet recruiter teams, then he wins the vote of people like me who think Clinton is a sociopathic criminal who will do or say anything to get elected, and then will open camps and imprison conservatives.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (/m8T6)

113 It's like having your arm trapped between two boulders and no help in sight. The last thing you want to do is amputate your own arm, except for that other last thing you don't want to do (die).
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Posted by: michelle fields at May 27, 2016 12:10 PM (PLnZs)

114 Geez.. all these guys need to say is:

"I signed a promise to support whoever the nominee of the Republican Party turns out to be. And I am to keep my promise. Oh yeah.. and Fuck Hillary!"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 12:10 PM (so+oy)

115
26 They really are willing to help Hillary win to have that moment.
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That's like cutting off your dick to make a point.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 27, 2016 11:51 AM (VndSC)






I'll be more impressed if you actually go through with it, cupcake.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (jcihK)

116 Cruz will probably endorse, because he is a politician. I will be momentarily disappointed, but you can't put your faith in individual leaders - that gets us Trump.

Cruz can do a lot more as the leader of a few voices of Constitutionalism in the wilderness. If everyone gets behind Trump, Conservatism is truly obliterated.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (mFkVC)

117 I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes
that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...

A T. rump presidency would likely lead to a perpetual "Idiocracy"

read yourself backwards - Idiot.

Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (DL2i+)

118 Mike Hammer's cat 2016
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Trump is a weak, effeminate, fop.

Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (9mTYi)

119 Eh, as much as Rubio or anyone else may be going back on previous statements to endorse Trump, Trump himself is flipping around and accepting the endorsements of people he said some pretty nasty shit about.

But not without making fun of them, occasionally to their faces, which I do respect him for.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (Q+fXS)

120
I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...

A T. rump presidency would likely lead to a perpetual "Idiocracy", IMO, and that is truly unacceptable and insufferable!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 27, 2016 12:02 PM (kP16F)
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An avaricious, felonious, leftist traitor with dynastic ambitions will produce a conservative resurgence, while a vulgar patriot will destroy us.

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (pC96u)

121 111 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:09 PM (Q+fXS)

Ah my mistake...

so as long as she passed High School civics back in the 12th grade she gets a pass on shitting on them....

I'm pretty sure Donny knows them in the same way at worst he just doesn't give a fuck about them either.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (g8Hfr)

122 He's done with politics in 8 months, why the hell is he making an idiot out of himself by supporting (and offering to speak publicly on behalf of, in a high-profile venue) the guy he accurately pegged as a crook and a con artist out to demolish the conservative legacy for his own nefarious purposes? I mean, Rubio went WAAAAY past Rick Perry in calling out Trump, if it's silly for Perry to have an about face it's almost incomprehensible for Rubio, especially since he has no ambitions and nothing to gain from trying to appease the Trumpies.



Asked and answered before the first comma.
He's out of work in 8 months. He needs a job.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:12 PM (EdhH3)

123 Can't argue with that. I respect the Trump supporters a hell of a lot more than the bandwagon jumpers.
Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (Q+fXS)

I particularly like the anti-Trump narrative that implies, "I will probably support Trump in the end, but until then, let me throw this months long temper tantrum."

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:12 PM (4ng05)

124 "I signed a promise to support whoever the nominee of the Republican Party turns out to be. And I am to keep my promise. Oh yeah.. and Fuck Hillary!"
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 12:10 PM (so+oy)
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Except Trump declared that pledge null and void when it no longer helped him.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:12 PM (mFkVC)

125 We're all just hunkered down on a lunchroom tray flying down the side of Mt. Everest. It's probably too much to hope we'll survive. We can thank the spineless, feckless assholes in congress who didn't do the jobs they were elected to do for our predicament. I expect if Trump becomes president, they'll suddenly remember they have some power. If Hildebeest gets the nod, they'll scrape and kowtow to her the same as they have done for Obama. They wouldn't dare upset the "black man," and they won't dare upset the "lesbian." Upsetting the crazy white guy is something they might be willing to do.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 27, 2016 12:12 PM (43OZ6)

126 117 I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes
that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...

A T. rump presidency would likely lead to a perpetual "Idiocracy"

Exactly... I'm tired of all those who say If Hillary wins after 4 years people are all gonna beg to go back to the Leave it to Beaver 50's type of America..... Ain't gonna happen ...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (O2RFr)

127 I've been blocked by RB pundit, how is he taking it?

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (tM4uk)

128 De-lurking to say I'm more glad every day that I turned off the Twitter junk-stream.

Posted by: scoville at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (0adl+)

129 >>I particularly like the anti-Trump narrative that implies, "I will probably support Trump in the end, but until then, let me throw this months long temper tantrum."

That'll be nothing compared to the 4 years of "I didn't think he'd pull this shit!" from his supporters if he wins.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)

130 I just thought an Oath, that's a promise to God, might hold some weight in Mr Cruz's morality if not that of his supporters, new guy.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (PLnZs)

131 For the record, I believe Trump would be in his rights to breaks the pledge if they would have brokered the convention if he was just a few delegates away.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (2DYky)

132 Ah my mistake...

so as long as she passed High School civics back in the 12th grade she gets a pass on shitting on them....

No, it's just a plus in her column over the guy who didn't.

I'm pretty sure Donny knows them in the same way

He hasn't demonstrated it.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (Q+fXS)

133 127 Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (tM4uk)

He's in the same boat with Red Steze, Treacher, Shapiro et al...

probably a good idea to keep them away from sharp objects, or gasoline....

I could see them going Saigon '63

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (g8Hfr)

134 Rubio said Trump was a con artist who was mentally unstable and couldn't be trusted with access to the nuclear codes. Now he says it's okay for Trump to be president?

He's pathetic.

Posted by: sauropod at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (Xhywj)

135 Mike Hammer's cat 2016
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He's no pussy!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (PLnZs)

136 A T. rump presidency would likely lead to a perpetual "Idiocracy"

Exactly... I'm tired of all those who say If Hillary wins after 4 years people are all gonna beg to go back to the Leave it to Beaver 50's type of America..... Ain't gonna happen ...


I mean a Hillary! Presidency would lead to a perpetual Idiocracy...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (O2RFr)

137 128 De-lurking to say I'm more glad every day that I turned off the Twitter junk-stream.
Posted by: scoville at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (0adl+)

Ain't that the truth! Talk about brain leeching.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (4ng05)

138 Can't argue with that. I respect the Trump supporters a hell of a lot more than the bandwagon jumpers.
Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:06 PM (Q+fXS)

I particularly like the anti-Trump narrative that implies, "I will probably support Trump in the end, but until then, let me throw this months long temper tantrum."

I haven't said probably. I don't know yet.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (Q+fXS)

139 T. rump's final act of this "election" will be to implode as was preordained to hand the crown to the Haggard Queen anyway...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (kP16F)

140
he has no ambitions and nothing to gain from trying to appease the Trumpies.
Posted by: cjw at May 27, 2016 12:08 PM (onydf)
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He might have something to gain, like an appointment in a Trump administration or a lobbyist job, or just plain publicity. I bet he tries to restart his political career in 2018, or 2020 at the latest.

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (pC96u)

141 Except Trump declared that pledge null and void when it no longer helped him.


Well, yes he did.

But we're in the Sixth Stage of Grief (we had to invent a new one for Trump) in which we have to find our way to rationalizing the unacceptable.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (1xUj/)

142 >>>127 I've been blocked by RB pundit, how is he taking it?

I'm blocked as well, but I saw someone retweeting a screenshot. He is claiming that the comments must be misreported. (He was referring to Jake Tapper's tease that Rubio had made these statements in an interview.)

So you know -- Rubio Denialism.


Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (dciA+)

143 Don't destroy your own health over politics.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:04 PM (qCMvj)



Word!

Posted by: Vince Foster at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (VndSC)

144 An avaricious, felonious, leftist traitor with
dynastic ambitions will produce a conservative resurgence, while a
vulgar patriot will destroy us. Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (pC96u)
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Nothing will create a constitutional resurgence but hard work.

As far as the avaricious, felonious, leftist traitor with dynastic ambitions -- which one? With Trump you get eggroll and Kennedys. (Who named their youngest child 'Baron'?)

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (MIKMs)

145 132 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (Q+fXS)

You can bet we'll see *his* transcripts and curricula vitae tiger.

I must not be smart enough to understand why Little Miss Can't Turn on a Computer is a better choice from a sane Republic standpoint for hating civics than Duh Donald is for "not knowing them".

Wait she's gonna feel "guilt" at 3 am and accidentally cleave to civic virtue...

sure pull the other one it whistles.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (g8Hfr)

146 That'll be nothing compared to the 4 years of "I didn't think he'd pull this shit!" from his supporters if he wins.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)

Two reasons I want him to win now:

1) The above. Else, we will never hear the end of it.

2) No Hillary

He's still a piece of shit.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (Y3C5w)

147 I'm preparing to endure 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha in the hopes
that from the ashes a true constitutional republic rises again...

-
Similar to my plan for financial security by winning the lottery.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (Nwg0u)

148 That'll be nothing compared to the 4 years of "I didn't think he'd pull this shit!" from his supporters if he wins.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)

Or "I know what he'll do because... I just know shit, alright?"

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (4ng05)

149
T. rump's final act of this "election" will be to implode as was preordained to hand the crown to the Haggard Queen anyway...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (kP16F)
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And at this point, I need to apologize to you. I previously called you a name just to be rude to you, but now I see that you actually are stupid.

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (pC96u)

150 Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (dciA+)

My non-logged in browser let me view his tweets (because you can if you logged out).

It's that, combined with "Well I don't give a shit anymore anyway."

Well done sir! You finally don't give a shit. Something we all came to grips with long before you

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 27, 2016 12:17 PM (tM4uk)

151 >>>134 Rubio said Trump was a con artist who was mentally unstable and couldn't be trusted with access to the nuclear codes. Now he says it's okay for Trump to be president?

He's pathetic.

...

I think Rubio made some good points about Trump's deficiencies. However, you can't just evaluate trump in a vacuum. You have to compare him to the alternative, Hillary.

That's what he's doing. Trump is unfit for office; Hillary is more unfit.

This isn't complicated.

except for people who think the world actually exists in their little essays and blogposts and tweets.

"The map is not the territory."

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 12:17 PM (dciA+)

152 It was about Rubio being a class avatar

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Dude, he's brown, not blue.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 12:17 PM (Nwg0u)

153 I particularly like the anti-Trump narrative that implies, "I will probably support Trump in the end, but until then, let me throw this months long temper tantrum."

I haven't said probably. I don't know yet.
Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:15 PM (Q+fXS)

"I didn't throw the bullet in the furnace! So stop talking about my mother!"

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:18 PM (4ng05)

154 I'm glad Marco has come around, but it has to be obvious now why he was a sad choice for president.

When you decide to run for president, you need to convince a core group of close advisors that you will win. These people will give up whatever their lives are at the moment, or could be if they went with someone else, to dedicate everything to the campaign.

In exchange, the candidate promises, either explicitly or implicitly that these core people will occupy key positions in the new administration.

When everything falls apart, a key indicator of who the candidate actually is hinges on what arrangements he makes for the core group. Sure, a principled stand will override this responsibility, but the candidate made a commitment to the group and should do whatever is possible to take care of them.

Marco had an opportunity to negotiate from a position of strength, using his endorsement and offering the delegates he had, right after he dropped out of the running. If he had acted at that time, he could have secured a cabinet position for himself and, more importantly, key positions for all of his people.

He sat there with his thumb up his ass.

This is what Trump is talking about in regards to politicians and negotiations. Sometimes, politicians have no idea when it comes to making deals.

Now, Rubio is next to totally insignificant. He has no power and no bargaining position. Trump will make him suck his dick in public, just to show who is boss, but all Marco will get is some ancillary support on another senate run.

I'm sorry, but this guy was just not smart enough to be president.

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 12:18 PM (Zs4uk)

155 Not surprised that Rubio endorsed Trump. They share a lot in common. They both seems to be pro amnesty and lovers of big government. Rule of law...legislation based in the Constitution..fighting back against liberal insanity, not so much.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 12:18 PM (aRUb8)

156 155 Not surprised that Rubio endorsed Trump. They share a lot in common. They both seems to be pro amnesty and lovers of big government. Rule of law...legislation based in the Constitution..fighting back against liberal insanity, not so much.

Geez....

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (O2RFr)

157 151 Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 12:17 PM (dciA+)

Yup....

I am not particularly fond of Orange Toupee Weasel....

I hate Clinton.

Pretty simple math really.

A+1 is greater than "A"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (g8Hfr)

158 "gonna beg to go back to the Leave it to Beaver 50's type of America"

I dunno. I could go for Barbra Billingsely in a skirt, with no panties and a hide out in a thigh holster...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (KId5h)

159 Professional politician? Marco still has boat payments to make and tycoon Trump is rolling in the dough.

Posted by: Fritz at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (UzPAd)

160 >>Or "I know what he'll do because... I just know shit, alright?"

Actually, no. Nobody has a fucking clue what he will do least of all him since he seems to have the ability to be on all sides of every issue. But if Hillary continues to be the worst candidate of a major party in this countries history for the Presidency we all might just find out.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (/tuJf)

161 145 132 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (Q+fXS)

You can bet we'll see *his* transcripts and curricula vitae tiger.

And I'm sure they'll be, at minimum, good (I don't actually think he didn't pass high school civics--He's just not demonstrating he knows much about it now).

I must not be smart enough to understand why Little Miss Can't Turn on a Computer is a better choice from a sane Republic standpoint for hating civics than Duh Donald is for "not knowing them".

Wait she's gonna feel "guilt" at 3 am and accidentally cleave to civic virtue...

sure pull the other one it whistles.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:16 PM (g8Hfr)

If I bail, it'll probably be for the libertarian--though that might be hypocritical on my own end.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (Q+fXS)

162 I don't think Cruz actually will endorse Trump for a variety of reasons (including the fact that being a principled conservative is more central to his brand).

But whether he does or not, I don't care, and I won't cry like an imbecilic adult baby about it either way.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)


I disagree with you on this, Ace.

I think Cruz will endorse Trump because he is a conservative.

Not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is a profoundly conservative value.

But, more importantly, Trump is likely (though not definitely) going to be a one-term Prez, mostly because of age.

I voted for Cruz but there's no denying that he was a lousy retail politician when it counted.

He needs to spend the next 4 years pounding the pavement, speechifying, and collecting favors until he learns how to sell his message to Mr and Mrs America(just as Nixon did after his losses).

Cruz can mend a lot of fences and show his inter party strength by helping to get Trump elected.

And set himself up for next time.

He can simply say that Trump is more conservative than Hillary!. True.

And help for that reason-

or he can look like a little spoilsport, tantrum throwing tittybaby who isn't mature enough to play in the big leagues.


I have faith that Cruz is smart enough to make the right decision.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (HGtd0)

163 At the risk of being even more of a sycophant suck up, I gotta say this was truly profound:

"Self-claimed "thinkers" should think more and believe less"

Not just about politics but about life, the universe and everything.

Posted by: Max Power at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (q177U)

164 Trump said at a rally in North Dakota yesterday "I will give you everything. I will will give you what you've been looking for for 50 years. I'm the only one."

If that kind of rhetoric doesn't send a little bit of a chill down your spine...

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (mFkVC)

165 That'll be nothing compared to the 4 years of "I didn't think he'd pull this shit!" from his supporters if he wins.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:13 PM (/tuJf)

What will the alt-Right do...

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (Y3C5w)

166 Hide and watch how this plays out, iforgot!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (kP16F)

167 161 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (Q+fXS)

By "libertarian" you mean "doper who loves Glee cake baking at penury point"?

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (g8Hfr)

168 I dunno. I could go for Barbra Billingsely in a skirt, with no panties and a hide out in a thigh holster...




And go hard on the beaver. .....

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (EdhH3)

169 I am loving the crackup over at RedState. Complete virtue signalling. Leon's backed off a little bit (he's still neverTrump), but Neil Stevens is losing it, and it's HILARIOUS. What a douchecanoe that moron is. So full of himself and zero self awareness.

Posted by: Memories at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (mwcEF)

170 Marco was 17 days behind me in realizing that primary animosities and exaggerations have to be set aside for the good of the country. Everyone needs to get on board now. Stop whining.. Stop the fear mongering about Trump and nukes. The left did that to Goldwater. We were wrong to do it to Trump.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (Je4OY)

171 158 "gonna beg to go back to the Leave it to Beaver 50's type of America"

I dunno. I could go for Barbra Billingsely in a skirt, with no panties and a hide out in a thigh holster...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (KId5h)

Yeah, there's some beaver I couldn't leave...

Posted by: Hugh Beaumont at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (PjWy4)

172 4 years of "I didn't think he'd pull this shit!" from his supporters if he wins.

You know HRC will do the maximum wrong. If she walks away from the FBI with 1600 there are NO effective limits on the shit she'll pull.

DJT will do what a team of good lawyers and officers tells him he can.

Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (DL2i+)

173 "I didn't throw the bullet in the furnace! So stop talking about my mother!"
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:18 PM (4ng05)

I looked around, saw I was the only guy knocking him here. So, I think it's pretty clear who you were talking to.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Q+fXS)

174 Ignore her/him, Donna. Hot Air riffraff.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (PLnZs)

175 Here comes the conman
Coming with his con plan
We won't take no bribe
We've got to stay alive
We gonna chase those crazy
Chase those crazy baldheads
Chase those crazy baldheads out of the town

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Nwg0u)

176 love it, thanks Ace

Posted by: Shoey at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (vA94g)

177 1. If you honestly believed it's a danger to hand him the nuclear codes,
Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 11:56 AM (Q+fXS)

I see this canard posted often.

The president doesn't walk around with an easy button in his pocket, or the nuclear codes posted to his phone or on a sticky in his wallet.

People make it sound like Trump could accidentally butt dial a dozen Minutemen with nuclear warheads.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Smc8E)

178 And help for that reason-

or he can look like a little spoilsport, tantrum throwing tittybaby who isn't mature enough to play in the big leagues.


I have faith that Cruz is smart enough to make the right decision.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 12:20 PM (HGtd0)

Bwahahaha. A tantrum throwing titty baby? Compared to whom?

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Y3C5w)

179 By "libertarian" you mean "doper who loves Glee cake baking at penury point"?
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (g8Hfr)

Yep.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Q+fXS)

180 Nobody has a fucking clue what he will do least of all him since he seems to have the ability to be on all sides of every issue.


Trump said he'd debate Bernie if the debate could raise $10 mm for charity, like "women's health issues".

He means Planned Parenthood. How do the SoCons who are reconciling themselves to Trump reconcile themselves to that?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (1xUj/)

181 Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 12:17 PM (dciA+)

Well yes and no there ace.

What we have here is an actual variant of the famous "Trolley Problem."
In this case though, I think there's a valid argument saying "I tried to prevent you all from putting the trolley on the tracks in the first fucking place, I won't be responsible for this second choice."

I'm not quite sure where I stand on that being the *right* option. But there you go.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (tM4uk)

182

As a proud muslim woman and feminist....

https://goo.gl/VFjQpt

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:23 PM (iQIUe)

183 >>>He needs to spend the next 4 years pounding the pavement, speechifying, and collecting favors until he learns how to sell his message to Mr and Mrs America(just as Nixon did after his losses).

Also, I hate to be superficial, but he needs to work on his look. A more modern haircut, maybe lose a few pounds. His delivery can sound like a sermon at times, that's a real turnoff for some.

No doubt he would have made a good to great president though.

Posted by: Max Power at May 27, 2016 12:23 PM (q177U)

184 Actually, no. Nobody has a fucking clue what he will do least of all him since he seems to have the ability to be on all sides of every issue. But if Hillary continues to be the worst candidate of a major party in this countries history for the Presidency we all might just find out.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (/tuJf)

That's kind of different from what you said in the comment that was responded to.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:23 PM (4ng05)

185 I mean a Hillary! Presidency would lead to a perpetual Idiocracy...
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:14 PM (O2RFr)
***
And in Spanish, and very, very expensive....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 12:23 PM (lutOX)

186 Trump doesn't drink! How can you trust a felle who doesn't drink? I'm half drunk always! Hillary is a total drunk! Romney... non drinker! Lost! Are you man enough to vote for a female alcoholic? I am!

Posted by: 'The Joe Imbibes' Biden at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (gwG9s)

187 Good for Mario

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (/CXhS)

188 179 Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Q+fXS)

Awesome....so I can't handle the stopping of evil b/c of hypocrisy so let me vote for hypocrisy...

The Republic is in great hands....we're saved.

Tell me precisely WHAT virtue are you signaling here?

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (g8Hfr)

189 Don't get your eye-dick stuck in a toaster.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (LA7Cm)

190 I have faith that Cruz is smart enough to make the right decision.

Posted by: naturalfake


I do too

And Cruz might think he's somehow protecting his future by not endorsing Trump, but he'l be slitting his own throat.

The amount of actual, real conservatives that somehow can't find it in them to vote Trump over Hillary is going to be tiny, think .1% and they wear a bowtie and live in DC.

He's going to alienate the 99% of conservatives that end up supporting Trump over Hillary.

Posted by: Maritime at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (LZgax)

191 I see this canard posted often.

The president doesn't walk around with an easy button in his pocket, or the nuclear codes posted to his phone or on a sticky in his wallet.

People make it sound like Trump could accidentally butt dial a dozen Minutemen with nuclear warheads.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Smc8E)

Those were Rubio's exact words. I don't think he would do anything by accident. He has made me wonder if he'd do it just as part of a pissing contest.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (Q+fXS)

192

THATS NOT BLOOD COMING OUT OF THE PEE-HOLE IN MY EYE DICK, IT'S SYPHILIS!

I CAUGHT IT IN PORTLAND, FROM SOME HAIRY DUDE ON A BUS.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE VERGAS VERDE at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (KId5h)

193 >>That's kind of different from what you said in the comment that was responded to.

Then I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

194 Actually, no. Nobody has a fucking clue what he will do least of all him since he seems to have the ability to be on all sides of every issue. But if Hillary continues to be the worst candidate of a major party in this countries history for the Presidency we all might just find out.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:19 PM (/tuJf)

Some Trump supporters have this weird tendency to treat every educated guess about how Trump will act as a statement of soothsaying certainty. It's as though they and others who are voting for Trump are doing so while making ABSOLUTELY NO predictions about how he will behave in office. Predicting future behavior based on past behavior is taken as some unique act of hubris. It gives the impression that Trump really is a completely blank slate for some of his voters.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (mFkVC)

195 You know, I could be talked into the theory that Obama will use his remaining days in office to torpedo the Clinton wing of the Democrat party.

After all, it's painfully obvious after 8 years of Barry's schtick that he is convinced the world revolves around him.

Clintons in the presidency would usurp the magnificent radiance that is Choom-boy's due. And that's all he lives for, these days.

Of course, you might say, "But Sort-Of-Mad, ol' buddy, won't this blow up his party's chances for the POTUS and the Senate? "

Oh, yeah, we see that.

But Barry the Wonderful no doubt has a plan that he thinks will just work out swimmingly.

Which means, of course, that it is doomed to crash and burn. Like everything else he touches.

This could get real, real good.


Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (XdbLA)

196 172
You know HRC will do the maximum wrong. If she walks
away from the FBI with 1600 there are NO effective limits on the shit
she'll pull.

DJT will do what a team of good lawyers and officers tells him he can.


Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2016 12:21 PM (DL2i+)
You got that right. And impeachment will be off the table, no doubt.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (jxbfJ)

197 192 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE VERGAS VERDE at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (KId5h)

Some days, I love you man.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (g8Hfr)

198 "Chill" down your spine? Maybe that happens because you're new to the whole politics/history/governance/reality thinggy?


Actually, since YouKnowWho is surely going to just launch global thermonuclear war on a lark, shouldn't you be ignoring your chills and planning your post-apocalyptic existence?





Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (QDnY+)

199 Bwahahaha. A tantrum throwing titty baby? Compared to whom?

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Y3C5w)


Compared to any competent politician.

Sometimes you lose,

That's life.

But, then you pick yourself up and try to bend future events in your direction given the new circumstances.

Unless, you have the mental maturity of a three year old.


Cruz will do far more harm to himself and any future runs if he goes all sulky and tantrumy.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (HGtd0)

200 What we have here is an actual variant of the famous "Trolley Problem."



it's not that hard dude. you push the fat bitch in front of the train.

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 12:27 PM (nFwvY)

201 Those were Rubio's exact words. I don't think he would do anything by accident. He has made me wonder if he'd do it just as part of a pissing contest.
Posted by: AD



So what?

Every candidate makes up horrible things about their opponent.

Hillary is running around telling people Bernie Sanders is a closet right-winger. Everyone knows it's all bullshit.

He's unstable, erratic, a flip flopper, secretly liberal, etc

Posted by: Maritime at May 27, 2016 12:27 PM (LZgax)

202
More pro Trump bullshit.

Scary.

Posted by: Misheard Lyrics Guy at May 27, 2016 12:27 PM (9LuIY)

203 Actually, since YouKnowWho is surely going to just launch global thermonuclear war on a lark, shouldn't you be ignoring your chills and planning your post-apocalyptic existence?



LOL!

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (O2RFr)

204 Awesome....so I can't handle the stopping of evil b/c of hypocrisy so let me vote for hypocrisy...

My whole issue is over whether Trump is a worse evil. I'm not convinced of that, but, if on election day, it would be a danger to give him the nuclear code, yes, he's the worst evil.

My hypocrisy would be, if I actually believed that, I shouldn't be voting libertarian, effectively sitting on the sidelines.

The Republic is in great hands....we're saved.

No, we're probably screwed anyway.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (Q+fXS)

205 197 192 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE VERGAS VERDE at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (KId5h)

Some days, I love you man.


That's a sock. The actual MUMR's hash is something like xrivzi3.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (1xUj/)

206 "He's done with politics in 8 months, why the hell is he making an idiot out of himself by supporting (and offering to speak publicly on behalf of, in a high-profile venue) the guy he accurately pegged as a crook and a con artist out to demolish the conservative legacy for his own nefarious purposes? I mean, Rubio went WAAAAY past Rick Perry in calling out Trump, if it's silly for Perry to have an about face it's almost incomprehensible for Rubio, especially since he has no ambitions and nothing to gain from trying to appease the Trumpies."

He is not doing this for Trumpies sake sir.

He is doing it to avoid being an utterly insane hose bag who would elect the most rabid progressive of our lifetime.

It's easy peasy Chianesee stuff to understand. Seriously.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (bdzyz)

207 Tell me precisely WHAT virtue are you signaling here?
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (g8Hfr)

I want to signal that for all the bitching about "RINOs" and "Big Government" and "making deals" and shifty politicians, it's ridiculous for us to turn to Donald. Fucking. Trump.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (Y3C5w)

208 As for the Republic rising from the ashes of 8 years of Barry and 4 to 8 years of Abuela Borracha (and it warms my cold, hard heart to know that my nic for her has caught on):

There won't even be any ashes by then. And republics never, ever, rise again. Look at your history, people.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 12:29 PM (lutOX)

209 Yes, because "Trump is going to start WWIII!!!!" is an educated guess based upon the years of analysis they've done of their close, personal friend, Mr Trump.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:29 PM (PLnZs)

210 People make it sound like Trump could accidentally butt dial a dozen Minutemen with nuclear warheads.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (Smc8E)

===============
Considering the size of Hills butt, she would butt dial 3 dozen, there for vote Trump!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:29 PM (iQIUe)

211 He's done with politics in 8 months, why the hell is he making an idiot out of himself by supporting (and offering to speak publicly on behalf of, in a high-profile venue) the guy he accurately pegged as a crook and a con artist out to demolish the conservative legacy for his own nefarious purposes?
.............
Because he sees a possible opening in the next few weeks to jump back into the Florida Senate race?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (so+oy)

212 I wonder, Ace, if you'll act so smug and self-righteous against #NeverTrumpers when (not if) Trump's presidency ends up being at least as yuge a clusterfark as Obama's was. Your holier-than-thou preening is just pathetic considering you would be EXTREMELY anti-Trump if he merely had a (D) next to his name, which he easily could considering most of his policy positions. It is clear you naively put party over principle, nothing more.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (n8haL)

213 Maybe that happens because you're new to the whole politics/history/governance/reality thinggy?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (QDnY+)

------------------

I'm really not. Politicians always make over-inflated promises, but this kind of absurd personality-cult stuff is unusual. Obama did it standing between those columns, but even he was a tiny bit more subtle. If you can think of times at which an American presidential candidate announced that he was the "only one" who could give people "everything," I'd be interested to see them.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (mFkVC)

214 Unless, you have the mental maturity of a three year old.


Cruz will do far more harm to himself and any future runs if he goes all sulky and tantrumy.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (HGtd0)

I think he should fight whatever big-government progressive makes it into the white house. I wouldn't consider that "sulky".

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (Y3C5w)

215 205 Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (1xUj/)

Yeah....doesn't matter some days I love MUMR....

I am not blegging Ace to unban him b/c frankly the magic would die.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (g8Hfr)

216 Rubio said Trump was a con artist who was mentally unstable and couldn't be trusted with access to the nuclear codes. Now he says it's okay for Trump to be president?

He's pathetic.--------sauropod

Found your way over from Twitter? I mean someone posted almost the exact thing on Rubio's TL.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (0x/TW)

217 As a proud muslim woman and feminist....

https://goo.gl/VFjQpt

-
It's nice to see someone reach out across the religious and cultural divide.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (Nwg0u)

218 Anybody who didn't see that Marco would tell you whatever he needed to was looking at a different guy than I was.

Not that I disagree with anything he's saying in this case, but a lot of people sure seemed to think he was some icon of virtue when he told them what he wanted to hear.

Posted by: Dragline at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (nIGPZ)

219 Ahem.

I shall attempt to re-taunt you.

Trump wants his debate with Bernie to benefit Planned Parenthood.

Square that circle, please.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (1xUj/)

220 Predicting future behavior based on past behavior is
taken as some unique act of hubris. It gives the impression that Trump
really is a completely blank slate for some of his voters. Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (mFkVC)
=====

Isn't that in the fine print of every prospectus -- past performance is no guarantee of future results. We are confronted with really bad past performances -- which one do we put our vote down to 'support'?

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (MIKMs)

221 I bet Marco tweeted this sitting in his luxury yacht.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (Fmupd)

222 I want to signal that for all the bitching about "RINOs" and "Big Government" and "making deals" and shifty politicians, it's ridiculous for us to turn to Donald. Fucking. Trump.
Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (Y3C5w)

============
And it is insane to vote Hillary or enable her in any way to be elected.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (iQIUe)

223 207 Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (Y3C5w)

America has shown they do not want what Squish ass Republicans are selling...

If crazy sells at least it keeps the ball out of communist hands for a while.

My prime virtue is keeping that murdering c**t out of power.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (g8Hfr)

224
Omni, wise words. You recognize a Mussolini when you see one.

Scary stuff.

Posted by: Misheard Lyrics Guy at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (9LuIY)

225 219 Ahem.

I shall attempt to re-taunt you.

Trump wants his debate with Bernie to benefit Planned Parenthood.

Square that circle, please.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (1xUj/)

PP is here to stay, just like the PPACA (no longer "Obamacare", because that makes a difference).

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (Y3C5w)

226 As a Rubio supporter. I'm glad he is coming around. Thank God.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (bdzyz)

227 Marco can't *really* be thinking about a job in a Trump administration in 8 months, because of course he knows Trump cannot win and will never come close to smelling the White House lawn unless he decides to tear down the Ebbitt Grill and build a gawdy hotel there.

I mean, Carly didn't lose anything by committing to a longshot, she'd already been campaigning for Cruz. But Marco is losing the credibility he *would* have had in the party that will exist in 2017 forward after the Trumpies have flamed out. So either he has zero political ambitions (in which case, why sell out?) or he thinks playing the party loyalist angle is better for him that staying apart. I think the disaster this November will have everyone scrambling to hide the clips of them endorsing Trump and pretend it never happened, the ones refusing to endorse will be grateful they stayed away.

Posted by: cjw at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (onydf)

228 209 Yes, because "Trump is going to start WWIII!!!!" is an educated guess based upon the years of analysis they've done of their close, personal friend, Mr Trump.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:29 PM (PLnZs)

-------------------------

I never said Trump was going to start WWIII, although his foreign policy ideas could really destabilize (even more) Europe. He isn't going to fly into a rage and launch Nukes.

So, why are you voting for Trump if you aren't making an educated guess about how he will act? Coin flip?

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (mFkVC)

229 219 Ahem.

I shall attempt to re-taunt you.

Trump wants his debate with Bernie to benefit Planned Parenthood.

Square that circle, please.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (1xUj/)

It's no longer about policy. Trump is the form of the destructor, nothing more or less.

Posted by: Hugh Beaumont at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (PjWy4)

230 So what?

Every candidate makes up horrible things about their opponent.

For 95% of politicians, yeah. But it doesn't mean I'm going to quit ragging on them for it. If you want a politician to actually follow through on anything he says, neither should you. If he's just in the business of making up things, and if he's willing to bullshit about this, then he has no limits...then his opinion, his advice, and whether he holds office or not means little to me.

If you decide a particular politician will just say anything, and I mean anything, then his experience and character is all that's left. And, that's not much here.

Posted by: AD at May 27, 2016 12:33 PM (Q+fXS)

231 Some Trump supporters have this weird tendency to treat every educated guess about how Trump will act as a statement of soothsaying certainty. It's as though they and others who are voting for Trump are doing so while making ABSOLUTELY NO predictions about how he will behave in office. Predicting future behavior based on past behavior is taken as some unique act of hubris. It gives the impression that Trump really is a completely blank slate for some of his voters.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:25 PM (mFkVC)

Gimme a second while I just pull another educated guess outta my ass.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:33 PM (4ng05)

232
Shite, Hillary will just hand the nuclear codes to hackers.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:33 PM (iQIUe)

233 Cruz will do far more harm to himself and any future runs if he goes all sulky and tantrumy.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 12:26 PM (HGtd0)

I think he should fight whatever big-government progressive makes it into the white house. I wouldn't consider that "sulky".
Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:30 PM (Y3C5w)


-------------------


The first thing he needs to do is cut the cord with Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 12:34 PM (Fmupd)

234
Yeah, Hills will strip the nuclear codes of their classification and email them to Huma for safe keeping.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:34 PM (iQIUe)

235 231 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:33 PM (4ng05)

Hillary! has stated openly she has a blood oath against the real enemy the GOP!

Trump is going to be revealed as an Aliens Xenomorph!

//Which is an educated guess basis and an "educated guess" basis?

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:34 PM (g8Hfr)

236 My prime virtue is keeping that murdering c**t out of power.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (g8Hfr)

A-fucking-men

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 27, 2016 12:34 PM (/CXhS)

237

Babble, Tower of


You can google it.

Posted by: Julius Jurbalov at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (0LmgR)

238 America has shown they do not want what Squish ass Republicans are selling...

If crazy sells at least it keeps the ball out of communist hands for a while.

My prime virtue is keeping that murdering c**t out of power.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (g8Hfr)

I get you and I am #NeverHillary, but I think that Trump is a "squish-ass Republican" selling a bill of goods. As ace said, it's a good thing we dodged a bullet and didn't nominate arch conservative Ted Cruz. This was a prime opportunity with Hillary Clinton being so weak now.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (Y3C5w)

239 >>The first thing he needs to do is cut the cord with Glenn Beck.

Could not agree more. Beck has jumped an ocean full of sharks this past couple years.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (/tuJf)

240 By the way, these people whose entire existence is based on social media are telling us they are much more "principled" than Rubio. Not only do I believe they don't know what that word means, I have reason to believe their entire existence is fiction.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 27, 2016 12:03 PM (O0lVq)

I called some #NeverTrump writers at NRO clowns yesterday - and got some response supporting their "principled" arguments.

"Principled" is the new "gravitas", it appears.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (RcpcZ)

241 rubio gets a half a point for this from me.

not points, just one half.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (ceWrl)

242
Trump said he'd debate Bernie if the debate could raise $10 mm for charity, like "women's health issues".

He means Planned Parenthood. How do the SoCons who are reconciling themselves to Trump reconcile themselves to that?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (1xUj/)
---------------------------

Trump is trolling, that's all. Dangling a cherished lefty cause in front of Bernie -- a cause, incidentally, that Hillbots are using against Bernie. (Yeah, they're calling him and his supporters sexist!)

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (pC96u)

243 person, yes, you do seem new to this stuff, and you apparently missed Obama's comments after "clinching" the nomination in 2008 (by virtue of super-delegates, after a string of primary defeats, BTW).


Nothing resembling that has come out of the mouth of anyone more serious and mainstream than Lyndon LaRouche - and that was just the beginning.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (QDnY+)

244 I mean, Carly didn't lose anything by committing to a longshot, she'd already been campaigning for Cruz. But Marco is losing the credibility he *would* have had in the party that will exist in 2017 forward after the Trumpies have flamed out. So either he has zero political ambitions (in which case, why sell out?) or he thinks playing the party loyalist angle is better for him that staying apart. I think the disaster this November will have everyone scrambling to hide the clips of them endorsing Trump and pretend it never happened, the ones refusing to endorse will be grateful they stayed away.
Posted by: cjw




That's not how it's going to work at all.

Ronald Reagan endorsed Barry Goldwater who was a trainwreck, but Reagan went on to win 49 out of 50 states.

The voter that says "boy, I would have voted for the Republican, but they endorsed a Republican candidate the past that I disagreed with, so I'm voting Democrat instead" is an absolute unicorn that doesn't exist.

Posted by: Maritime at May 27, 2016 12:36 PM (LZgax)

245 The first thing he needs to do is cut the cord with Glenn Beck.

Straight jacket time if You ask Me...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:36 PM (O2RFr)

246 238 Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (Y3C5w)

I'm a Cruz guy to the hilt...

Pro-tip Stay the fuck away from Grin "Will no Patriot remove Duh Donald from this mortal coil!?!" Breck and actually smile some.

What could have been isn't what is is.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:36 PM (g8Hfr)

247 Trump is trolling, that's all. Dangling a cherished lefty cause in front of Bernie -- a cause, incidentally, that Hillbots are using against Bernie. (Yeah, they're calling him and his supporters sexist!)
Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (pC96u)

he likes to dangle those causes in front of people.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:36 PM (Y3C5w)

248
Ace is taking some of his sweet sweet Trump money (YUGE) and throwing us a party. Food and Booze at Ace's place!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:37 PM (iQIUe)

249 Nobody has a fucking clue what he will do least of all him since he seems to have the ability to be on all sides of every issue.

-
He's a man for all seasons.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 12:37 PM (Nwg0u)

250 He means Planned Parenthood. How do the SoCons who are reconciling themselves to Trump reconcile themselves to that?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (1xUj/)

Because we don't simply jump on everything Trump says as having a hidden agenda of the worst thing he could do. He has not named any charity, this whole thing has simply morphed out of the brain of a late night talk show host that Trump thought was proposing a joke.

Trump finally said yesterday he would consider doing a debate with Bernie if the advertising money raised went to charity. He then said, quite smartly, that the money should go to women's health charities. Pandering to women, probably. Great idea and one that women and others will be in favor of, certainly.

What other politician, besides Trump, has suggested or required that the media donate all advertising revenue derived from something they are presenting involving the politicians, to charity?

But you know, evil Trump...

There are lots of women's health care charities.
Everything from breast cancer, to the Heart Association, to hundreds of research projects at hospitals and research centers, to March of Dimes, etc.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 27, 2016 12:37 PM (Smc8E)

251 As a Rubio supporter I was really hoping he would toss his support behind Cruz now that Trump has clinched the nominee just to , you know. Kinda poke a finger in his eye.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:37 PM (bdzyz)

252 207 Tell me precisely WHAT virtue are you signaling here?
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:24 PM (g8Hfr)

I want to signal that for all the bitching about "RINOs" and "Big Government" and "making deals" and shifty politicians, it's ridiculous for us to turn to Donald. Fucking. Trump.
Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:28 PM (Y3C5w)



So, Hillary it is!!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (EdhH3)

253 Long time since I've said this, but Peggy Noonan wrote a helluva column today in the WSJ on Trump.

She thinks there is more to Trump's policy ideas than he gets credit for, for one thing, but she goes on to lacerate the idea that Trump is anywhere even in the same ballpark as Clinton in political decadence.

It's laughable, Noonan says, that anyone could be claimed to be in the same ballpark. Nero and Caligula included probably (I added that part).

Now here is where I wonder if Noonan isn't reading horde commentary, because she then characterizes Trump politically as the working man's hero. She then says he's also the voters only chance to excise the cancer that the uniparty-dominated crazed administrative state has become.

This, from Peggy Noonan! Pardon me while I pick my jaw up from the floor.

Posted by: MTF at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (/m8T6)

254 Looks like some Twitter trolls have dropped in. They appear to be overstocked on butthurt.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 12:39 PM (+aCe4)

255 Ace is taking some of his sweet sweet Trump money (YUGE) and throwing us a party. Food and Booze at Ace's place!



In the barrel.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:39 PM (EdhH3)

256 What could have been isn't what is is.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:36 PM (g8Hfr)

For what it's worth, I'm probably going LP in IL. I need to make a statement against Big Government and the current GOP. If there were an organized effort, that would be the best course, but I see everybody flocking to Trump now and against Hillary.

Don't give me "Illinois is in play now" either.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:39 PM (Y3C5w)

257 person, yes, you do seem new to this stuff, and you apparently missed Obama's comments after "clinching" the nomination in 2008 (by virtue of super-delegates, after a string of primary defeats, BTW).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 12:35 PM (QDnY+)

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I specifically mentioned Obama, a necessary precursor to Trump. If you have some historical quotations from past major party candidates that demonstrate the same personality cult extremism, please post them.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 12:39 PM (mFkVC)

258 253 Posted by: MTF at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (/m8T6)

Trump must have sent Rubio to swap water bottles with Peggy...

now he's drinking vodka and she's sobered up.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:40 PM (g8Hfr)

259 He means Planned Parenthood.
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Whoa, did he say that? That will be problematic, but I'd love the link to it anyway.

Posted by: IP at May 27, 2016 12:40 PM (aQQbl)

260 250 He means Planned Parenthood. How do the SoCons who are reconciling themselves to Trump reconcile themselves to that?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (1xUj/)


it'll be worth it if he tells them to stop selling parts.

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 12:40 PM (nFwvY)

261 Mussolini.....

Jeez, what a reach, folks. Hysteria, no other word for the panic this man induces in you.

You can't go full-Godwin's - you burned that one up ages ago - so you're left with Benito....

Still, the man did have one good quote, at least:

"The Socialists ask what is our program? Our program is to smash the heads of the Socialists."

This is where we are.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 12:40 PM (lutOX)

262 Omni, wise words. You recognize a Mussolini when you see one.
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Except the other candidate is Stalin not Churchill.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (PLnZs)

263 So, Hillary it is!!!!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (EdhH3)

And you are happy to play the uniparty game. congratulations. meet the new "boss" same as old "boss".

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (Y3C5w)

264 256 Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:39 PM (Y3C5w)

The Libertine party as a protest against Big Government...

the current "Pro Glee Cake Baking" "gun grabbing" Libertine ticket...

"okay"

carry on then.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (g8Hfr)

265 I for one love the tweets from Rubio - they are honest and real in my opinion.

I listened to Sheriff David Clarke this morning on the radio and he said the same thing. He said that he would never have told his officers to
hold the line as was done in NM and Baltimore. He would have them report in full riot gear and once things started to be hurled at them to go in and bust heads. No nonsense - no bullshit.

As expected, TFG apologized to Japan for Hiroshima and the atrocities committed by the US. Wow. Happy Memorial Day you spineless, feckless, communist fairy.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (oiNtH)

266 "Ego: It's a hell of a drug."

Says the guy that has clearly jumped so far up Trump's ass in an attempt to please him that he's insulting friendlies left.

It's amazing that you are getting so worked up about supporting Trump over Hillary. This is the political equivalent of getting worked up about only having to eat 4 shit sandwiches instead of 5 shit sandwiches. You're still going to eat some shit sandwiches either way, it isn't worth burning bridges with allies over it, you acehole.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (n8haL)

267

The podcast is great.

It's just Ace & Ben.
Great discussion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:42 PM (qCMvj)

268 the current "Pro Glee Cake Baking" "gun grabbing" Libertine ticket...

"okay"

carry on then.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (g8Hfr)

I understand where you're coming from. I'd rather have Petersen.

I don't think DT is what he's selling.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Y3C5w)

269
Marco Rubio support was never really about this policy or that one. It was about Rubio being a class avatar for a particular cohort, upper middle class college-educated types.
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Yup. What did he mean by saying he was the candidate of today, or we needed new ideas, new policies, new politics, the candidate of tomorrow, look forward blah blah.

He clearly wanted to contrast himself to Hillary with her wrinkles and her stale liberal ideas, but I never saw that his ideas were newer or more forward-looking than those of anyone else in the Republican field. Oh, except maybe he was waaaaayyyy out in front on immigration.

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:43 PM (pC96u)

270 Like the Trump supporters conveniently use conservative as a slur, now people that do not support Trump for valid reasons are going to be lumped in with the stompy footed GOPe crowd. Conservatives that supported Cruz but still oppose Trump based on his political positions (whatever the hell they are) again lumped in with this shit. Maybe I'm not seeing clearly what Ace is saying but if I am, thanks a lot for throwing us into the same pile.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (wnwJC)

271 Rubio was the front man of the Globalist Wing of the GOP...

He got spanked... but is still trying to stay relevant...

Posted by: Don Q.... at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (qf6WZ)

272 He means Planned Parenthood. How do the SoCons who are reconciling themselves to Trump reconcile themselves to that?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:22 PM (1xUj/)

They don't have to. They are becoming mirror images of hard core lefties. They don't think...they believe, regardless of objective fact and observable reality. Like Obama was a vote to "heal the Earth" and "Lower the levels of the seas", they are drunk on the con. It's just too sweet to let go of. They were/are "high" on Obama, and the Trumpeteers are high on Trump. It's really no more complicated than that. Just my opinion..others may feel differently.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (aRUb8)

273 Posted by: Jen the original at May 27, 2016 12:37 PM (Smc8E)
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But....but....but....

A high-school chemistry teacher who identified as a libertarian before he figured out they were worse, from a personal liberty point of view, than Trump, points out that WE DON'T KNOW that Trump wouldn't have that money donated to PP, or, hell, used to purchase newborns to sacrifice to Baal and Molech, and we just can't be too safe.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (lutOX)

274 The current LP loves them some good old fashioned big government totalitarianism. You aren't going to be any sort of message voting for them.

Posted by: Chupacabra at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (V40IZ)

275 What do Trump supporters say about the latest spin regard to raising money for Vet charities? At least calling him on his ' unfortunate stretching of the truth' made him write a million dollar check a couple of days ago.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:45 PM (2DYky)

276 268 Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:43 PM (Y3C5w)

I want Duh Donald hit in the head repeatedly until he has Ronald Reagan and Calvin Coolidge as competing personalities...

about as likely as the Libertines putting down the Hopium....

pro-tip no blue castle will be in play if the right splits....

do as you must.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:45 PM (g8Hfr)

277 "You're still going to eat some shit sandwiches either way, it isn't worth burning bridges with allies over it, you acehole."

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (n8haL)


I get the impression from your comments that you believe that you know what you're talking about.

You realize that's not the case, don't you?

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 12:45 PM (Zs4uk)

278 270 Like the Trump supporters conveniently use conservative as a slur, now people that do not support Trump for valid reasons are going to be lumped in with the stompy footed GOPe crowd. Conservatives that supported Cruz but still oppose Trump based on his political positions (whatever the hell they are) again lumped in with this shit. Maybe I'm not seeing clearly what Ace is saying but if I am, thanks a lot for throwing us into the same pile.
Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (wnwJC)

Project much?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:45 PM (4ng05)

279 I'm voting for Trump because I want the trains to run on time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (Nwg0u)

280 People should stop congratulating themselves so much for being irrelevant and not having any actual effect on the universe beyond Twitter.


Dunning Cruler effect. People just don't recognize the damage that too much coffee and too many doughnuts does, and when it is pointed out, they always assume the remarks are directed at someone else, not themselves.

Karl Marx got his start in the coffee houses of Europe. Q.E.D.

Posted by: Jamal Jillikovski at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (0LmgR)

281 "So, Hillary it is!!!!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (EdhH3)

And you are happy to play the uniparty game. congratulations. meet the new "boss" same as old "boss"."

Hey I survived the O for 8 years and the only thing that happened was conservatism became totally irrelevant.

I can survive 4-8 of Hillary. By the end of that conservatism will be so antiquated that millenials will need a black marketed dictionary to even know what it once meant.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (bdzyz)

282 274 The current LP loves them some good old fashioned big government totalitarianism. You aren't going to be any sort of message voting for them.
Posted by: Chupacabra at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (V40IZ)

Touche, but It's not about the actual policies anymore, is it?

It's about the image.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (Y3C5w)

283 Just heard Obama's blathering blather at Hiroshima. Now, at last, thanks to Obama, the tragedy of WWII can be brought to a close (and the healing begin!). He also made the erudite point that War Is Bad and should be avoided which is really amazingly insightful when you think about it. Oh, and all religion has it's killers BTW so get off your high horses, haters.

Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (1BQGO)

284 263 So, Hillary it is!!!!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (EdhH3)

And you are happy to play the uniparty game. congratulations. meet the new "boss" same as old "boss".


By all means, vote for your druggie, open borders candidate.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (EdhH3)

285 Bulletin: People can not be reasoned out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.

You can apply this generally or specifically, but there it is.


I thought about Trump for a long time, and then when the primary day came to my state (Ohio), I voted for Trump
1) I wanted Kasich out of the race (he won the Ohio Primary)
2) Cruz was so far behind in polling he was irrelevant (which he was)

My reaction to Trump is sometimes visceral. He has said things that really infuriated me, and said things that were so basically true (and sometimes very funny), the I found I like the guy. Sometimes.
I can rationalize away the day about Trump versus Hillary, but it is, in the end, a visceral reaction that I WANT to vote for him (for a variety of conscious and unconscious reasons). It doesn't mean I like him that much, but the idea of Hillary as President (or Bernie, or Joe Biden, or even Gary Johnson, who frankly offends me with his faux libertarian attitudes) makes me sick to my stomach.

After the 2008 election, there was a lot of rationalizing that "electing Obama in 2008 will teach the country a lesson!". Well, it sure did. If we elect a black man as President, no one will criticize him because that would be RACIST! you idiots. So this incompetent boob has had 8 years to do all manner of stupid things, and the smart set still fawns over him.

So now lets do it AGAIN with a woman, and we'll REALLY teach everybody a lesson. Sure. Call me back in 2020 to see how that works out.

Let It Burn is a funny euphemism for bad things happening to those whom we don't like and deserve an ass kicking, but if it really happens, bad things are going to happen to you, me and a lot of people that we care about. And an ugly tyranny will likely appear at the end of it, not the restoration of the Republic.

We have to work with the tools at hand. Reform the Republican party, get better people in office, make them STAND for something. That's, in part, what the TEA Party was trying to do, and got co-opted and attacked by the GOPe. It doesn't mean it was a bad idea, it just means we have to fight harder and smarter next time.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (RFeQD)

286 Religion of Peace Alert.

Saudi father shoots doctor shortly after he delivered his wife's baby because he didn't want a man to see his spouse naked

http://tinyurl.com/hkyw5uq
(Daily Mail)

h/t Clayton Cramer
http://claytonecramer.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (R+30W)

287 I'm voting for Trump because I want the trains to run on time.
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Especially the cattle-cars full of Mexicans!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (PLnZs)

288
He means Planned Parenthood.
______________________________


Whoa, did he say that? That will be problematic, but I'd love the link to it anyway.
Posted by: IP at May 27, 2016 12:40 PM (aQQbl)
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He did NOT say that. TRUMP IS TROLLING BERNIE over a lefty cause. There is no link. There is no there there. Bandersnatch is making shit up.

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (pC96u)

289 It's just Ace & Ben.
Great discussion.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:42 PM (qCMvj)
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Is there Michelle Fields shit? Because I dont want to hear it anymore.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:48 PM (iQIUe)

290 MSNBC's Devastating 10 Minutes On Hillary Clinton Where Lifelong Democrats Take Her Apart


Over at WZ

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 27, 2016 12:48 PM (/CXhS)

291 I can survive 4-8 of Hillary. By the end of that conservatism will be so antiquated that millenials will need a black marketed dictionary to even know what it once meant.
Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (bdzyz)

Right now, I'm caught between that and having a "refresher" in Conservatism via Donald Trump.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:48 PM (Y3C5w)

292 As expected, TFG apologized to Japan for Hiroshima and the atrocities committed by the US. Wow. Happy Memorial Day you spineless, feckless, communist fairy.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:41 PM (oiNtH)

\Scene... President Quixote's historic address at Hiroshima...

Yes, and I'd like to remind the world what happens when you attack America with no Declaration of War.... yes... to use my predessesor's own words..... Death rains from the Skies...

Thank you.... and God Bless the United States of America.

Posted by: Don Q.... at May 27, 2016 12:48 PM (qf6WZ)

293 285 Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (RFeQD)

I was one of the voices warning of "but black BLACK! democratonium in 2007 for fuck's sakes....

and Poppin Fresh promptly proved me correct.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:49 PM (g8Hfr)

294 Don't give me "Illinois is in play now" either.
Posted by: National Tontine
............
Well.. probably not.. But..

Growing up on the south side of Chicago, I can guarantee you that the white working class will be voting for Trump in unheard of numbers.. those city workers forced to live in the borders of Chicago that are huddled in the southwest and northwest corners of the city will be voting Trump - no matter how their precinct bosses tell 'em to vote.

Like you.. I usually consider my Illinois vote for President to be wasted.. That may not be the case this time around.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 12:49 PM (so+oy)

295 Is there Michelle Fields shit? Because I dont want to hear it anymore.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:48 PM (iQIUe)

nope

not yet anyway

It starts with his yesterday post, talks about conservatism, Trump, etc, so far.

It's good.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:50 PM (qCMvj)

296 Back when Obama first got in, a liberal caller to Rush talked about how Obama was going to cause a racial split in the country and resurrect groups like the KKK. What i remember is how he said OMG isn't it obvious what he is?

So on the one hand, I can understand the doubt Trump opposers have. I don't share it, but there's a base of fear. Fine as far as that goes.

Problem is when you look across the aisle. OMG don't you see what they are? Take the risk. Repair it after if you need to.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 27, 2016 12:50 PM (RYQSV)

297 Like you.. I usually consider my Illinois vote for President to be wasted.. That may not be the case this time around.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 12:49 PM (so+oy)

It's not a "Class Thing" but if city workers and union men are getting something from Donald Trump, I don't think I want a part of it.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:50 PM (Y3C5w)

298

I LIKE TO MAIL PICTURES OF CATS PLAYING CHESS TO ALL THE MOSQUES AND ISLAMIC CENTER AROUND HERE.

IDI WANTS ME TO PUT PORK BLOOD UNDER THE STAMP, BUT THAT WOULD BE MEAN.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE VERGAS VERDE at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (KId5h)

299 Grrr stupid working at work and missing a Raphael thread. I agree about the direct line to God thingy.

As far as Rubio, I have been less than complimentary of him in the past, no, it's true!

But what the hell is he saying that's objectionable? The stuff about the paid protestors is merely fact.

He says hey if you can live with Clinton that's fine but I can't. That's a fair position I say because it's pretty much my position ahem. Seriously, how is that an objectionable position at all. If you don't want to vote or want to vote for Clinton go ahead but I can't. If you don't want to vote or want to vote for Trump go ahead but I can't. That's about as reasonable a position as it is possible to take.

The bit about saying hey I told people they must vote and I'm not going to stop now is actually a consistent position. Now, I get why people would be stunned by Rubio holding a consistent position but still.

How is any of this upsetting at all? I don't get it.

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (mf5HN)

300

Ben is a fast talker.
He would be well fitted with an AI talk box to slow it down.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (qCMvj)

301 283 Just heard Obama's blathering blather at Hiroshima. Now, at last, thanks to Obama, the tragedy of WWII can be brought to a close (and the healing begin!). He also made the erudite point that War Is Bad and should be avoided which is really amazingly insightful when you think about it. Oh, and all religion has it's killers BTW so get off your high horses, haters.

I saw this... The man is despicable...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (O2RFr)

302 It's no longer about policy. Trump is the form of the destructor, nothing more or less.

Posted by: Hugh Beaumont at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (PjWy4)
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So if Trump is going to destroy us, and Clinton is going to destroy us, why is it my solemn duty to put my name to any one of them?



Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)

303 Omni @ 266 - Take YOUR shit and peddle it elsewhere. I take it that you are a 'Manly-Man" who would love the shit sandwhich of a HRC Presidency.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (oiNtH)

304 I think most of Rubio's support came from:

*Handsome
*Hispanic
*Well Spoken when on script
*Conservative when not about immigration

That seemed to be a big winner all around. When it was revealed he was willing to compromise his conservatism for the GOPe's wishes and was only well spoken by repeating carefully memorized speech lines, it should have turned people off - as it apparently did, for most voters.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (39g3+)

305 noonan is correct. this is a poke in the eye of the gop, as we screamed and yelled at them to stop Obama's overreach into our personal existance.
Clinton is a known evil, that dislikes those that fight for us. has little regard for even their own chosen ambassadors and their assistants, and financially flourishes rickrolling other countries into civil wars, while espousing she gives a shit about people of da world.

she is the most vile , without any love for our standing in the world or the country nor our security, she is the representative leader of all that is despicable that has shown its face openly over the last decade.
nos scruples, just concern Their nest eggs are padded.

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (uyrlv)

306 This, from Peggy Noonan! Pardon me while I pick my jaw up from the floor.

Posted by: MTF at May 27, 2016 12:38 PM (/m8T6)

Peggy has written more than a few articles about Trump which show her to be more perceptive about his appeal and sympathetic to his supporters than, certainly, the newspaper she writes for. She tries to understand where they are coming from rather than just sneering at them.

I've certainly been tough on Noonan when she got it wrong. She can show insight sometimes.

And I am a very reluctant Trump supporter, not a fan of his.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (u0lmX)

307 I can survive 4-8 of Hillary. By the end of that conservatism will be so antiquated that millenials will need a black marketed dictionary to even know what it once meant.
Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (bdzyz)

It would have died anyway with the Jeb's Cristie's etc. Not that Trump will save it, but the GOPe needed to be blown up anyway if it's going to survive. Unfortunately it's Trump with the C-4 but it's at least getting blown up and hopefully rebuilt.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (IJBEN)

308 275 What do Trump supporters say about the latest spin regard to raising money for Vet charities? At least calling him on his ' unfortunate stretching of the truth' made him write a million dollar check a couple of days ago.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 27, 2016 12:45 PM (2DYky)


So... you mean that a very busy Man, who is working and traveling all over the country.... found out his organization did something wrong...

Then fixed it????

Oh.... the horror....

Posted by: Don Q.... at May 27, 2016 12:53 PM (qf6WZ)

309 Donna - he is beyond despicable. He continues to denigrate our military and our country as a whole for his Communist ideology.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:53 PM (oiNtH)

310 So if Trump is going to destroy us, and Clinton is going to destroy us, why is it my solemn duty to put my name to any one of them?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)

It's not your duty.

It's just your right.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:53 PM (qCMvj)

311 This is one of those 4th Stage of Grief threads, isn't it?

Posted by: Dragline at May 27, 2016 12:53 PM (nIGPZ)

312 309 Donna - he is beyond despicable. He continues to denigrate our military and our country as a whole for his Communist ideology.

Agreed... And Hillary would be equally bad...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (O2RFr)

313 Donna - he is beyond despicable. He continues to denigrate our military and our country as a whole for his Communist ideology.
Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:53 PM (oiNtH)

Yet his favorability is 51%?!

I don't get it.

If we have already reached the socialist tipping point to 51%, then we can never win again.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (qCMvj)

314 How come there isnt a pyroclastic flow after a nuclear bomb is set off? All the burning has to create gases. And the mushroom cloud has to fall. So, wouldnt that make a pyroclastic flow?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (iQIUe)

315 @278 Mr Macca Bean-What am I projecting?

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (wnwJC)

316 310 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:53 PM (qCMvj)

Trump may accidentally destroy us, Hillary! has a laser designator on us.

This is not rocket surgery.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (g8Hfr)

317 Yet his favorability is 51%?!

I don't get it.

If we have already reached the socialist tipping point to 51%, then we can never win again

That's My fear...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:55 PM (O2RFr)

318 @244 "Ronald Reagan endorsed Barry Goldwater who was a trainwreck, but Reagan went on to win 49 out of 50 states. "

But Reagan and Goldwater agreed on the future of the GOP, and agreed substantively on a broad set of policy preferences and basic ideals. Rubio, whatever he actually is, I know he is not a populist-nationalist-statist like Trump. If it were to turn out (sadly) that Trump is indeed the vanguard of a changed GOP, like Goldwater turned out to be for the Reagan GOP 16 years later, then Rubio would be on the opposing side of that fight.

It made sense for Reagan to support the man who represented the leading edge of the change he wanted to bring about. If Trump is the leading edge of the new GOP, the American Workers' Party, that means Rubio's side LOST.

Posted by: cjw at May 27, 2016 12:55 PM (onydf)

319 #299 I think it's more about the reaction of Rubio supporters on Twitter rather than Rubio's newfound-respect for Trump, Alex.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:55 PM (PLnZs)

320 Wow Ace, you have seemed to have wakened up a lot of trolls from their stupor living in mom's basement. Assholes.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:55 PM (oiNtH)

321 Ben is a fast talker.

He would be well fitted with an AI talk box to slow it down. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (qCMvj)
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Only listen to about half the podcasts, but I really did enjoy this one. Ace slows him down and helps redefine some of the rhetoric. Shapiro was much better than I expected.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 12:56 PM (MIKMs)

322 I get the impression from your comments that you believe that you know what you're talking about.

You realize that's not the case, don't you?
Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 12:45 PM (Zs4uk)

I get the impression from your comment here that you believe you've said something worth substantively responding to.

You realize that's not the case, don't you?

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:56 PM (n8haL)

323

eh? Ace says he's probably not going to vote at all?

iinn-ter-esstiinnng

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:56 PM (qCMvj)

324 "Right now, I'm caught between that and having a "refresher" in Conservatism via Donald Trump."

Really, I hope not. I hope he actually gets chit done and the past thing I would want to see him doing is screwing with social crap while trying to get the meat and potato's out of the way.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:56 PM (bdzyz)

325 *Handsome
*Hispanic
*Well Spoken when on script
*Conservative when not about immigration

That seemed to be a big winner all around. When it was revealed he was willing to compromise his conservatism for the GOPe's wishes and was only well spoken by repeating carefully memorized speech lines, it should have turned people off - as it apparently did, for most voters.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (39g3+)

Yep. I think people thought he was going to be the GOP's Obama - a guy who would make conservativism appear youthful and stylish and smart, instead of the stodgy "old white guy" image Romney and McCain certainly did nothing to expel.

They loved that idea so much they were willing to overlook his huge unforced error on immigration.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 12:57 PM (u0lmX)

326 Only listen to about half the podcasts, but I really did enjoy this one. Ace slows him down and helps redefine some of the rhetoric. Shapiro was much better than I expected.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 12:56 PM (MIKMs)

I've always loved Ben. Great mind. So much to say, so little time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:57 PM (qCMvj)

327 314 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (iQIUe)

Pyroclastic flow has its properties because of dust and particulars of the usual volcanic density....

Atomic blasts have two shockwaves that are similar but not the same.

https://youtu.be/H4uHVFMcpXA

Atomic Shockwave

https://youtu.be/dflLFFZcZ0w

Atomic Shockwave

Don't worry Bark and Grammy H will let us show this in HD Colour in the next 10-15 years in my opinion.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (g8Hfr)

328 Yet his favorability is 51%?!

I don't get it.

If we have already reached the socialist tipping point to 51%, then we can never win again.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

I don't believe that number for a minute. The media "poll takers" are as dishonest with this as they are with most everything else. There are a lot of libs that were cheerleaders for him that are now curiously silent when it comes to TFG.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (oiNtH)

329 So if Trump is going to destroy us, and Clinton is going to destroy us, why is it my solemn duty to put my name to any one of them?

Posted by: grammie winger



One is unknown and one is known.

Your call.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (EdhH3)

330 "pissing hot pathetic tears from their eyedicks.

Poetry. Pure poetry."

eyePricks would alliterate and class it up. Come on Ace, step it up.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (QJBko)

331 315 @278 Mr Macca Bean-What am I projecting?
Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (wnwJC)

Since it was even vaguely clear that Trump would be the nominee, anti-Trump crowd has been insisting that anyone who would support Trump is "not a true conservative."

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (4ng05)

332 Bruce, a pyroclastic flow depends on topography and geology of the area. A nuclear detonation, for most situations, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the energy required to generate a flow of any size or duration. And the mushroom cloud is just super-heated gases and bomb debris and any soil swept up by the detonation - it rises and then spreads (hence the mushroom) as the gases cool and air density decreases.


The radioactivity (unburnt fission products and radiated debris) settles wherever it settles. (My mother told me that when I was an infant the newspapers would have notices about weeks in which milk should be avoided - this was in the midwest, and atmospheric testing was going strong at the test site near Las Vegas).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (QDnY+)

333 "Wow Ace, you have seemed to have wakened up a lot of trolls from their stupor living in mom's basement. Assholes."

That's kinda rude. I'll have you know that my mom lives in my basement. She is wheel chair bound, I have no ramp and she cried for 2 weeks leading up to our state voting in the primary.

I wouldn't let her out of the basement to vote for Cruz. Call me an A-Hole. I saw it as a mission of mercy.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (bdzyz)

334 303 Omni @ 266 - Take YOUR shit and peddle it elsewhere. I take it that you are a 'Manly-Man" who would love the shit sandwhich of a HRC Presidency.
Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (oiNtH)

"You take it" huh? Up the ass, sure, but you are wrong about #NeverTrumpers like myself supporting Hillary. I tell both of them to pound sand when they ask for my vote. I will not be party to either one of them nailing the last nail into America's coffin.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (n8haL)

335 I can survive 4-8 of Hillary. By the end of that conservatism will be so antiquated that millenials will need a black marketed dictionary to even know what it once meant.
Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 12:46 PM (bdzyz)

It would have died anyway with the Jeb's Cristie's etc. Not that Trump will save it, but the GOPe needed to be blown up anyway if it's going to survive. Unfortunately it's Trump with the C-4 but it's at least getting blown up and hopefully rebuilt.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2016 12:52 PM (IJBEN)

Trump can delay and by some miracle maybe even stop the dictatorial left.

Anybody who thinks we will survive 4-8 years of Hillary is truly delusional. There will be no conservatism by then, there will be no opposition, there will be no guns, there will be no nothing decent people still stand for.

On that note, I'm off to, ahem, "watch" someone add a S&W .40 cal to their collection and a few hundred rounds more of ammo.

Assume you only have until 1/20/17 to make your purchases and plan accordingly.

Posted by: Blano at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (lbcdD)

336 Trump wants his debate with Bernie to benefit Planned Parenthood.



Square that circle, please.

Don't need to, It's more Trumping.

Sure everyone wanted to gloriously follow some Conservative into victory over the left like he was Aragorn. But the majority were tired of losing and being lied to over it. PIAPS is still out there so now it's time to put on our jester hats and cartwheel over the hill after The Golden Scalp Weasel.

Sure yelling LOLWUT!11ty isn't as great as For Frodo! but that's the job.

Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (DL2i+)

337 It seems that some people believe that professional wrestling is real.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (hLRSq)

338 grammie,

You do not have a duty to take a bite out of either shit sandwich.

If ace decides not to vote, good for him.

Join the club.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (rlfds)

339 Trump may accidentally destroy us, Hillary! has a laser designator on us.

This is not rocket surgery.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (g8Hfr)

Oh, I'm voting.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (qCMvj)

340 291
Right now, I'm caught between that and having a "refresher" in Conservatism via Donald Trump.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 12:48 PM (Y3C5w)
Look. We didn't get a conservative on the top ticket. I think we can all agree there. Does that mean the death knell of conservatism? We still have to fight for House Senate seats. If a conservative candidate is trying to primary an incumbent - get behind them.
We start crying conservatism is dead - we are done. I'm not ready to bury conservatism yet. I'm not going to abandon my core beliefs. Stay in the fight.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (jxbfJ)

341 This is too depressing.. I think I'll go out to the garden and pick some Boysenberries.. Try not to "kill" each other...

Posted by: donna at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (O2RFr)

342 This is not rocket surgery.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (g8Hfr)

It sure seems to be for a lot of people.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (QPdNE)

343 So if Trump is going to destroy us, and Clinton is going to destroy us, why is it my solemn duty to put my name to any one of them?

Posted by: grammie winger



One is unknown and one is known.

Your call.

--------------

I don't think either will destroy us. So I'll just go with none of the above.

Posted by: SH at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (gmeXX)

344 I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me. Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under the bus if it advanced your short-term aims.





Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

345 I am proud to announce that Brattleboro will be opening the new Pets 9Dogs and cats) Transgender Health Clinic this July. We recently were approved and received the $100,000 grant from Presdent Obama to make t6his happen. Thank Presdent Obama and we all love you.........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (NuElX)

346

I MADE A SOVIET JUSTICE WARRIOR CRY
I SHOT SYPHILITIC TEARS IN HER EYE.
SHE HAD A HIPSTER BEARD AND TATS
AND WAS WEARING A DRESS
IN A TARGET WOMAN'S ROOM
WHILE WANKING AND BEING A PEST.
MUTTERING COMMIE FREE THE WORKER SLOGANS
AND DECORATED WITH ANARCHY BUTTONS
SHIZ SMELLED LIKE POT AND, STRANGELY, MUTTON.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE VERGAS VERDE at May 27, 2016 01:01 PM (KId5h)

347 >> They loved that idea so much they were willing to overlook
>> his huge unforced error on immigration.

If Trump can drive an immigration answer such that it's no longer a hot button come 2020 or even 2024 Marco may have a future as long as he doesn't disappear from the public eye.

Posted by: JEM at May 27, 2016 01:01 PM (o+SC1)

348 To be honest, I think if Rubio hadn't gone smushy on immigration (which includes teaming up with Schumer, et al), he'd have won the nomination.

But, alas......

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 01:01 PM (Fmupd)

349 I think it's more about the reaction of Rubio supporters on Twitter rather than Rubio's newfound-respect for Trump, Alex.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 12:55 PM (PLnZs)

Yes, but why are people freaking out about this?

Because someone's being a grown up on the internet?

Seriously, I do not get how any of those statements are objectionable unless you believe Rubio has some divine obligation to be frothing at the mouth anti-Trump. Because other than that? This is pretty straightforward basic stuff.

RE: Cruz and Trump. I might be less correct than usual, but hasn't Cruz said repeatedly that if Trump is the nominee then he will support him. If so, then all Cruz has to do is say that, yes, I support Trump as the nominee. He has no more obligation than that.

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:01 PM (mf5HN)

350 He means Planned Parenthood.
______________________________


Whoa, did he say that? That will be problematic, but I'd love the link to it anyway.
Posted by: IP at May 27, 2016 12:40 PM (aQQbl)
----------------------

He did NOT say that. TRUMP IS TROLLING BERNIE over a lefty cause. There is no link. There is no there there. Bandersnatch is making shit up.
Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:47 PM (pC96u)



He said "women's health issues". I inferred Planned Parenthood.

I did not make that up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:01 PM (1xUj/)

351 Anybody who thinks we will survive 4-8 years of Hillary is truly delusional. There will be no conservatism by then, there will be no opposition, there will be no guns, there will be no nothing decent people still stand for.


--------------

I do not share your complete pessimism.

Posted by: SH at May 27, 2016 01:01 PM (gmeXX)

352 339 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (qCMvj)

Imma sit this one out is as neat a position as YOLO Libertarian...

but whatever...

I know you get it 'ette....I pray others do.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:02 PM (g8Hfr)

353 302 It's no longer about policy. Trump is the form of the destructor, nothing more or less.

Posted by: Hugh Beaumont at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (PjWy4)
==============================================

So if Trump is going to destroy us, and Clinton is going to destroy us, why is it my solemn duty to put my name to any one of them?



Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)

By this I mean the GOP. People have decided that Trump destroying the GOP should be the goal, and the actual election is ancillary. Of course that was before Trump actually had a chance to win it all. Now? I don't know.

Posted by: Hugh Beaumont at May 27, 2016 01:02 PM (RD7QR)

354 Cheri, yup. One of the comments was directly from Twitter, so I think the children Ace upset on Twitter have wandered over here to show us how stupid and angry they are.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 01:02 PM (m3iiU)

355 I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me.

------------

Grammie - I'm with you. But I think our numbers are shrinking.

Posted by: SH at May 27, 2016 01:03 PM (gmeXX)

356 One is unknown and one is known.



Your call.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (EdhH3)
========================================

We did the Blank Slate thing in 2008.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:03 PM (dFi94)

357 Trump I'll debate Bernie for women's health issues:

http://usat.ly/1sADSyE

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:03 PM (1xUj/)

358 344 Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

Paul "heh" Ryan has already made it irrelevant if he gets his desires on Amigo Grande! ma'am....

those charmers from Albaquacky are looking to let their inner Locke and Smith out....

totes.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:04 PM (g8Hfr)

359 sven: "Trump may accidentally destroy us, Hillary! has a laser designator on us."


Well done. Neither will "destroy" us, but it captures the stark choice pretty well.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (QDnY+)

360 I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me. Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under the bus if it advanced your short-term aims.


Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

Damn. You sound like someone is holding a gun to your head.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (4ng05)

361 I suspect that anytime any left leaning politician (and yes, Trump is one, and no I did not say he is a leftist of a communist) mentions womens' health issues they mean unlimited access to abortion because of course, women don't have any other health issues, do they?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (rmw+9)

362 ok i really can't rap my head around the idea people cannot see how gross Hillary is, and that she allowed the killing of our people not for good, but for a political goal and profit.
and that somehow allowing us to be killed in small increments is Better than trump

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (uyrlv)

363 " Cheri, yup. One of the comments was directly from Twitter, so I think the children Ace upset on Twitter have wandered over here to show us how stupid and angry they are."

I honestly have been making stupid comments and I don't have Twitter or Facebook for that matter.
I have to admit. When people attempt to have what they feel is a logical conversation on not taking out Hillary, the most rabid progressive of our lifetime.

Well, when it comes to comments. It begs for stupid.

So I'm guilty.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (bdzyz)

364 The first principle of practical politics is win.
Actually that is the only principle of practical politics.


N.B.: Practical Politics as apart from Political Philosophy.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (hLRSq)

365 ugh i wish cruz would have won the primary

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 01:06 PM (uyrlv)

366 wrap* fgs

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 01:06 PM (uyrlv)

367 So #nevertrump goes cannibal in its death throes. This is precisely why creepy cults need to be located on verdant islands teeming with tasty wildlife.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (TZVdK)

368 Allegedly standing by principal, or trying to protect the country.
Hmmm.
Country.
Reality sucks.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (0x/TW)

369 "He was just the Sarah Palin"

What does that mean? That people view her as a symbol of something? Halibut explaining that.

The only issue I have with Palin is she stays loyal to McCain even when he stabs her in the back. Also she likes to tax things. But I would have almost no one to pull for if I took that personal.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (j2xmV)

370 Nood. Podcast.

Posted by: johnd01 at May 27, 2016 01:08 PM (ukNFU)

371 I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me. Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under the bus if it advanced your short-term aims.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

You might be taking a few comments by people you don't know, on one blog in the internet universe too seriously. Do what you think is right. It's your life, your conscience.

/shrug

It's nice to hear different arguments and ideas, but let's hope people are that easily swayed.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:08 PM (qCMvj)

372 Well done. Neither will "destroy" us, but it captures the stark choice pretty well.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (QDnY+)

I remember you being all in on Trump the whole time. Your concern is NOT noted.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 01:08 PM (Y3C5w)

373 "ugh i wish cruz would have won the primary"

Too inexperienced. Trump elivated him. Will probably win next time unless he Al Gores.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (j2xmV)

374 a well, back to cleaning.

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (uyrlv)

375 There were three, perhaps four, candidates on the GOP slate who had a record of actual conservative accomplishment of any kind. Cruz, with his pro-rights Surpreme Court briefs, Walker with his union-busting and budget paring in Wisconsin, Perry, with the actions he took to secure the border and his own fisca lresponsibility and honorable military service record, and maybe Kasich before he went insane.

They were dumped for a shouting real-estate hustler and wooden-steak salesman.

Exulting in their alleged integrity and singular moral beauty, passive-aggressively exulting in their own pristine moral beauty, is apparently the political dynamic for the new century. Look forward to a generation of Venturas, Schwarzeneggers and Trumps, ably understudied by a host of Clay Aikens, Judds and Sanjayas.

Posted by: Donald Trump Who's Jealous of His Airtime at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (Kucy5)

376 I fail to understand why the commenters on this blog get mad at each other for the shit candidates in this election; the typical reader of this blog had little relative influence on who the gope candidate was going to be, and absolutely none on who the pinko candidate was going to be.

focus your hate on real enemies (the Left and the corruptocracy), and ignore trolling attempts. doesnt mean dont try to present rational argument for/against voting Trump.


Posted by: Grad School Fool at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (swEzU)

377 369 Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (j2xmV)

People are trying to cast any Palin love as cult of personality like zeal for Ogabe...

and we likely would have beaten that son of a bitch had we flipped enough Womynz...instead the right punditry smartly aided the left in her immolation.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (g8Hfr)

378 Anybody who thinks we will survive 4-8 years of Hillary is truly delusional. There will be no conservatism by then, there will be no opposition, there will be no guns, there will be no nothing decent people still stand for.


--------------

I do not share your complete pessimism.



Well, the daughter has already said mama is coming after them when she gets elected. How? Supreme court picks.
Hillz has already sold out the country via sec state.
Opsec is non existent with her bathroom server.
Benghazi. Vince Foster. FBI files in the Lincoln bedroom.

And this is all before she has been elected.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (EdhH3)

379 So if Trump is going to destroy us, and Clinton is going to destroy us, why is it my solemn duty to put my name to any one of them?

Posted by: grammie winger

You KNOW Hillary will destroy us. You can't possibly know if Donald will.

If nothing else, Donald will probably leave Christians alone. You KNOW Hillary will attack us and try to destroy everything we believe in.

Donald is a buffoon. Hillary is evil. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Defeating Hillary means she's gone for good.

As a Christian, I'll take my chances with the Donald.

Posted by: Blano at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (lbcdD)

380 This is the most astonishing election season.

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (zOTsN)

381 If Bill Whittle is my Kirk, then Ace is my McCoy. Shapiro might be a candidate for my Spock, even though I have been sour on him lately.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (VdICR)

382 I honestly have been making stupid comments and I don't have Twitter or Facebook for that matter.
I have to admit. When people attempt to have what they feel is a logical conversation on not taking out Hillary, the most rabid progressive of our lifetime.

Well, when it comes to comments. It begs for stupid.

So I'm guilty.------Drider

As long as you don't think I wasn't counting you among the Twitter trolls.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (+aCe4)

383 I have to say, all this talk of throwing
conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a
liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me.
Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the
very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under
the bus if it advanced your short-term aims. Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)
=====

^^^THIS^^^

I swear that sometimes 'winning' has become more like the Charlie Sheen definition.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (MIKMs)

384 Damn. You sound like someone is holding a gun to your head.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:05 PM (4ng05)
==============================================

Do I? It's hard to express feelings accurately over the internet.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (dFi94)

385 focus your hate on real enemies (the Left and the corruptocracy), and ignore trolling attempts. doesnt mean dont try to present rational argument for/against voting Trump.


Posted by: Grad School Fool at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (swEzU)

Problem is that Trump represents the "Corruptocracy" in my eyes. He's better than Hillary, but it's a shitty choice.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (Y3C5w)

386 344 I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me. Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under the bus if it advanced your short-term aims.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

Abso-fucking-lutely right. These newly-minted Trumpets like Ace and Rubio that 10 political-minutes ago were calling a spade a spade when it came to Trump have now apparently sold their conservative souls in support of him to stop Hillary. Well, that's their damnable choice, but I will not support a man or party merely because he has a (R) next to his name that could have as easily had a (D).

Remember, Trumpets, you break it you buy it. There will be no returns on President Trump that you are now full-throatedly pining for. Remember this moment when you insulted and burned bridges with fellow conservatives so you could vote for the future disaster that is Trump's presidency.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (n8haL)

387 Genial, pipe-smoking father figure sock off:

I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me. Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under the bus if it advanced your short-term aims.


Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

Grammie, that was me. I wasn't advocating, I was describing. This is where we are. Some people decided to use Trump as a tool. That tool has gotten bigger than I think they thought it would. All I'm saying.

I think I'll take up pipe smoking, just for so.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (PjWy4)

388
He also made the erudite point that War Is Bad and should be avoided
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Wars of the past [dramatic pause] and wars of the future.

Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (pC96u)

389 West Town, I'll take the statesmanlike step of guessing you have me confused with someone else (easy to do in chaotic comments threads).


I've been here for years, have fastidiously avoided saying almost anything directly WRT YouKnowWho (see, I actually almost never use his name, sort of as a sardonic jibe at the ridiculous teenage food fights here during primary season).


And endorsing sven's little phrase - while pointing out that NEITHER will "destroy" us - does not make me "all in" on anything.


Carry on.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (QDnY+)

390 Rubio's twitter statements lead me to believe he's an adult. Good to know. His follower's, not so much.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (U+nHb)

391 383 I have to say, all this talk of throwing
conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a
liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me.
Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the
very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under
the bus if it advanced your short-term aims. Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)
=====

^^^THIS^^^

I swear that sometimes 'winning' has become more like the Charlie Sheen definition.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (MIKMs)

Hey guys. Shows over. Pack it in. This was the hill to die on.

We "won" this one!

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (Y3C5w)

392 Remember, Trumpets, you break it you buy it. There will be no returns on President Trump that you are now full-throatedly pining for. Remember this moment when you insulted and burned bridges with fellow conservatives so you could vote for the future disaster that is Trump's presidency.



That's a two way street Hilbots.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (EdhH3)

393 I respect the right of anyone to vote for any candidate. They can even vote for buncha bananas and that's their right. But these peeps seem light years worse than the I don't want to vote for McCain or Romney folks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (4ErVI)

394 i don't think Trump could destroy anything but the masks on the faces of our leadership and media.

the thing i believe can be gained by Trump is we might have the Media and leadership all the sudden fight again for Free speech, and bill of rights and the constitution.
because THEY will be the ones in the throes of fear and misery.
all the sudden Those things will mean Something To Them.

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (uyrlv)

395 They don't have to. They are becoming mirror images of hard core lefties. They don't think...they believe, regardless of objective fact and observable reality. Like Obama was a vote to "heal the Earth" and "Lower the levels of the seas", they are drunk on the con. It's just too sweet to let go of. They were/are "high" on Obama, and the Trumpeteers are high on Trump. It's really no more complicated than that. Just my opinion..others may feel differently.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 12:44 PM (aRUb

Yup. Pretty much this. So much emotion over the Republican Obama.

-------------------------------------------
I have to say, all this talk of throwing conservatism and core priniples overboard for the sake of advancing a liberal democrat with an R after his name, is quite disturbing to me. Statements like "it's not about principles anymore" make me consider the very real possibility that people like me would easily get thrown under the bus if it advanced your short-term aims.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)

The Trumpkins are in denial in regards to their own fascist tendencies.

When I took the oath to defend the U.S. from enemies foreign and domestic there was never any expiration date.

Still writing in Cruz in November FWIW.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (B11vO)

396 Good for Rubio to grow up after fucking up.

Maybe in ten or fifteen years once his balls finish descending and he earns some gray hair and scars he will be a man to rely upon, but he's just not there yet.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (avJG/)

397 Do I? It's hard to express feelings accurately over the internet.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (dFi94)

Ok. Let me put it this way: Hillary (I'm guessing) is bad. Trump is not conservative and is therefore bad.

Alternative(s)?

Why?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (4ng05)

398 >>Some people decided to use Trump as a tool. That tool has gotten bigger than I think they thought it would. All I'm saying.

So you're saying Trump is a giant tool. I can't argue with this.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (/tuJf)

399 Gingrich did Government right. Then everyone discovered they liked it wrong. Then Gingrich had to go. Variation on no-one-wants-it-fair. They want-it-to-favor-themselves.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (jN+3o)

400 I will not be party to either one of them nailing the last nail into America's coffin.
Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (n8haL)
***

Good for you, Omni - you're keeping your precious ethical principles intact; it's commendable that your conscience is of more importance to you than the practical effects of your decision to trash the only one who seems to have a chance of stopping Abuela Borracha.

I'm sure it will be great comfort to you in the days to come, and you'll be able to say - and with justification - that you did exactly as much to bring it about as you did to prevent it.

Which is to say, you did nothing to stop a known evil, and did all you could - which is, truthfully, very, very little - to thwart the one who stood against it.

***slow clapping***

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (lutOX)

401 @331 Mr Macca Bean- Trump is not a conservative, he said he is not. He said he does not need conservatives to vote for him to win. Simple for me, he is whatever the fvck he is. His supporters, right here at AoS gleefully pronounce conservatism is dead, conservatism has been an impediment, conservatism IS the problem. Anyone that would support Trump is a Nationalist/Populist/Workers Party supporter. I could give a shit less about a Trump supporters conservative credentials.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (wnwJC)

402 As a Christian, I'll take my chances with the Donald.

Posted by: Blano at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (lbcdD)
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Thanks Blano. I appreciate your input. As I've said previously, I am going to keep an open mind until November, listen, watch, pray. Then decide. Thanks again.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (dFi94)

403 If crazy sells at least it keeps the ball out of communist hands for a while.

My prime virtue is keeping that murdering c**t out of power.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 12:32 PM (g8Hfr)

Yes, sir.

Anything else, at this point, is fucking stupid.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (Ycgco)

404 I've said it before, but every cycle it astounds me anew A) how hard people go after their primary opponents, knowing that they'll have to work together in the general, and B) people coming together in the general after saying so many horrible things about each other.

Rubio's said really nasty (not necessarily false) things about Trump that we wondered if or how he'd walk them back. And now look.

Same pattern as always, though this season seems to be more extreme in the rhetoric so the coming-together is especially strange-looking.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 27, 2016 11:52 AM (u0s1P)


It's all theater. Play-acted to create excitement in the cheap seats. And it allows the winner to get "blooded" a bit, in preparation for the deadly game in the general.


You will remember that Trump and Cruz had face-to-face private meeting before the primary season got under way, right? I'm betting that, as both are ostensibly "outsiders" to the GOPe, they agreed to pretend to be working hard hard to destroy one another, so they could lull the GOPe into not working hard to push one of the squishes. Let the GOPe think that Trump/Cruz mutually self-destruct, and their squish will waddle up the middle and take the brass ring.


But, as planned, it didn't work that way. I expect that Cruz will let events "push" him into a come-to-Jesus moment wrt Trump. He's just waiting for the right event to happen.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (KfsMv)

405 And endorsing sven's little phrase - while pointing out that NEITHER will "destroy" us - does not make me "all in" on anything.


Carry on.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (QDnY+)

Sorry, rhomboid. This has been a tactic of some of the Trump supporters (the ones who aren't retarded) and I guess I did mistake you for someone else. It's just so insulting to my intelligence.

Thanks for being civil, despite my error.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (Y3C5w)

406 Still writing in Cruz in November FWIW.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin


it's worth nothing

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (nFwvY)

407 The most conservative candidate who can be elected. That was Buckleys dictate.

It ain't Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (zOTsN)

408 "not a true conservative."

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 12:58 PM (4ng05)

Do you consider yourself a conservative?

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (aRUb8)

409 shrugs, peace fellow horde members, i know everyone is just as sincere in their thoughts as others.

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (uyrlv)

410 "Problem is that Trump represents the "Corruptocracy" in my eyes. He's better than Hillary, but it's a shitty choice."

that is a rational assessment...I'm talking more about the folks that get pissed at each other for failing to agree with them when there aint a clear "right" solution.

you folks are going to NEED each other if the Clinton Hagling gets elected

Posted by: Grad School Fool at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (swEzU)

411 @331 Mr Macca Bean- Trump is not a conservative, he said he is not. He said he does not need conservatives to vote for him to win. Simple for me, he is whatever the fvck he is. His supporters, right here at AoS gleefully pronounce conservatism is dead, conservatism has been an impediment, conservatism IS the problem. Anyone that would support Trump is a Nationalist/Populist/Workers Party supporter. I could give a shit less about a Trump supporters conservative credentials.
Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (wnwJC)

Trump is also not Hillary. He is also not part of the criminal cabal we've come to love - the GOPe - so what would you suggest we do this close to the election?

Do you want a do-over? And how are you going to pull that off?

Who else would you suggest to us that we vote for who could win?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:16 PM (4ng05)

412
Grammie, that was me. I wasn't advocating, I was describing. This is where we are. Some people decided to use Trump as a tool. That tool has gotten bigger than I think they thought it would. All I'm saying.

I think I'll take up pipe smoking, just for so.
Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (PjWy4)

He's a giant tool, alright...

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 01:16 PM (Y3C5w)

413 >>you folks are going to NEED each other if the Clinton Hagling gets elected

I'm not even convinced she's going to be the nominee. Go over to WZ and listen to that 10 minutes of MSNBC hate from committed Democrats. It'll warm your heart.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:17 PM (/tuJf)

414 Trump is a populist. What ever he decides to do he will make it popular with the Hoi Polloi. Reality TV comes to government. I think it will probably work out better than Obama's Reign.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:17 PM (j2xmV)

415 So, what happens when #NeverHillary comes to pass as JugEars shivs her out of the nomination by dropping the FBI on her and para-drops in Choo-Choo Joe to serve his third term?

Posted by: DocJ at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (zrsn3)

416 99 Mike Hammer's cat 2016
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2016 12:07 PM (Gsah1)

Kira 2016!

Posted by: rickl's cat at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (zoehZ)

417 Do you consider yourself a conservative?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (aRUb

Yes. Lifelong. Ryan suggests that he too, is a conservative. But I'm not like him. In fact, I consider him my enemy politically. And that is why I don't have a major problem pulling the lever for Trump.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (4ng05)

418 Quote from the sidebar:
One enjoyable thing about this cycle is watching people who've never had any kind of influence or cache be finally forced to come to grips with the fact they've never had any kind of influence or cache. It amuses me.

Is this Ace attaining a modicum of self-awareness?

Posted by: ChocoCheese at May 27, 2016 01:19 PM (OvUux)

419 @grammie winger and mustbequantum-We have been and are being thrown under the bus. We just have to keep our heads screwed on unlike some here and fight on.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:19 PM (wnwJC)

420 Which is to say, you did nothing to stop a known evil, and did all you
could - which is, truthfully, very, very little - to thwart the one who
stood against it.

This is what people like you don't get. THEY ARE BOTH EVIL, in their own ways. For heaven's sake, he tried to evict a grandma from her house in order to build a limo parking garage, he tried to sue a reporter for libel just because the reporter claimed he had a net worth less than what Trump thought it should be, he praises dictators, incites violence, makes authoritarian statements like "I'm the only one who can give you everything you want" (paraphrasing from above). It is like commenter person said above - you make it seem like there is absolutely nothing at all we can conclude about Donald based on his past statements, that he is some sort of tabula rasa. Well he isn't. He has a record too and it isn't good.

Donald is not some unknown, unknowable quantity you know.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (uAvJJ)

421 Quote from the sidebar:

One enjoyable thing about this cycle is watching people who've never
had any kind of influence or cache be finally forced to come to grips
with the fact they've never had any kind of influence or cache. It
amuses me.


Agreed. Like tears in the rain.

I'm hoping I won't see many of your distinguished "pundits" ever again.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (4ErVI)

422 This Adds Evidence... to my thesis that Marco Rubio support was
never really about this policy or that one. It was about Rubio being a
class avatar for a particular cohort, upper middle class
college-educated types.

_______

There is truth to this. Upper middle class college-educated type Republicans are usually enmeshed in environments where they are heavily outnumbered by liberals in their day to day life. Many just live "in the closet" as it were, and do not discuss things like politics outside the privacy of their home -- sometimes not even to their friends. Liberals, of course, are virtually always free to spout whatever political claptrap they want, with no repercussions. Not so with Republicans.

Those Republicans who choose to engage have to clear bars to entry erected by their liberal colleagues. You can't support the Tea Party because they are "all crazy." You can't support Ted Cruz because he is "scary."

So these Republicans need to have a candidate that they can claim is different from these idiot liberal tropes. Republicans like Rubio or McCain fit this category much more easily than a Cruz or a Rand Paul or even a Scott Walker (who would be disqualified in polite conversation because he doesn't have a college degree). That's by and large why they are considered "electable" in the first place. Blue-state Republicans who have money and influence (if not conservative bona-fides) can support these candidates semi-publically.

I don't think its so much a class avatar as the fact that support for squishy Rubio-type candidates can be sold in social situations without prompting straightforward ostracism.

Posted by: Revenant at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (y64uP)

423 Buckley's conservative bona fides are beyond question. His dictate always was, the most conservative candidate who can be elected


Who can be elected, that should not be ignored

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (zOTsN)

424 Still writing in Cruz in November FWIW.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin
it's worth nothing Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (nFwvY)
======

It's worth a good night's sleep and facing yourself in the mirror each morning. Priceless.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (MIKMs)

425 your = our

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (4ErVI)

426 If we have already reached the socialist tipping point to 51%, then we can never win again.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 12:54 PM (qCMvj)

I don't think most of Bernie's support is because people like socialism so much, I would bet that most of his supporters (at the very least, a large chunk) couldn't tell you what socialism is. People like him because he strikes most people, accurately or not, as a fairly decent human for a politician, especially when contrasted with Trump and Hillary. And, like with Trump's support, he represents a vote against the status quo. I doubt we've reached a socialist tipping point, the Millennials are the most materialistic generation our country has had yet. They are absolutely addicted to tech that a socialist economy could not persistently provide them. Right now, for them, socialism is just an abstract idea that's safe to flirt with, and probably will be until the people who gave us Obamacare are running Apple, Netflix, Google, etc. It's a very shallow thing, and doesn't necessarily mean anything about our future.People on the right need to watch more European documentaries and other cultural output, with a watchful eye for what the culture of regular people is like (the people producing such output are probably of a narrow, elite culture, but they will reference the culture outside their bubble from time to time). Even in the Scandinavian countries, the average man on the street doesn't buy into the extreme positions of the left like "gender is a social construct", isn't aware he's supposed to, and probably doesn't know what they are. I particularly recommend a Norwegian documentary series on the Nature vs. Nurture debate called Brainwashed from a couple years back, which illustrates this quite well. Watching that gave me a lot more reassurance about the general public being more resistant to the left in many respects than we expect them to be.

Posted by: reform highlander at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (jCH/T)

427 406 Still writing in Cruz in November FWIW.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin


it's worth nothing

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (nFwvY)

You are probably right. The country was started by a confederacy of men led by honorable principles and will die from the lack of them. See where you end up when the end justifies the means. My vote doesn't count anymore so why argue with the #NeverTrumpers?

Just court the BernieBros and get it over with. I think that is a far more realistic plan.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (B11vO)

428 It's worth a good night's sleep and facing yourself in the mirror each morning. Priceless.
Posted by: mustbequantum

you are the wind beneath your own wings

Posted by: x at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (nFwvY)

429
Hillary Clinton stood in front of four flag draped coffins and lied to the grieving families of the dead loved ones,and when her lie became evident and the families called her on the carpet for it she accused them of being politically motivated and being dishonest about what they heard.As a matter of principle I would feel compelled to vote for Satan himself if he was runnuing against Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (lKyWE)

430 JROD, ChocoCheese, Omni...

If this is what Soros' dollars are buying as far as trolls, that Nazi war criminal is being fucked.

The panic on the left is reaching hysterical levels. They know they're going to lose in epic fashion. They're losing their minds.

I, for one, am enjoying the hell out of this.

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (Zs4uk)

431 @grammie winger and mustbequantum-We have been and
are being thrown under the bus. We just have to keep our heads screwed
on unlike some here and fight on.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:19 PM (wnwJC)
===============================================

I have one advantage. From the time I was a little giri (which was a very long time ago indeed) I was taught that there would come a day when I would be thrown under the bus. So at least I am not caught unawares. I've been practicing since I was 4.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (dFi94)

432 Pride. It's that fault in the human psyche that kills so many things, including ourselves.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (Fmupd)

433 "gleefully pronounce conservatism is dead"

Don't think so. Conservatism seems to be in the eye of the beholder. Rush Limbaugh claims to teach conservatism and people eat it up. I don't think Rush is particularly conservative. I think Rush is a human. Most on the left fit the bill as alien lizards like the ones in the TV show V. Hillary doesn't have human personality traits. Romney and Harry Reed also seem to have trouble being human beings.

For all his faults Trump appears human to me.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:25 PM (j2xmV)

434 One enjoyable thing about this cycle is watching people who've never had any kind of influence or cache be finally forced to come to grips with the fact they've never had any kind of influence or cache.


Cachet.


The military pronounces "cache" as "cash-ay", but it's pronounced "cash".

Cachet (cash-ay) is the statussy thing.

/persnickety mode

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:25 PM (1xUj/)

435 That Trump even thought it was a good idea to try to use the power of the state to evict a woman from her house just to build a parking garage gives us a window into what he sees as the legitimate use of his power over others. Can we draw *any* sort of valid conclusion from that episode at all? Any at all? Are we just supposed to pretend he didn't do it? Likewise, that he tried to sue a reporter, not for telling slanderous lies, but for making a claim, based in evidence, that contradicts Trump's public statements. Again is there *some* sort of conclusion that we can draw, more generally, about what Trump's view of free speech and free press might be?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:26 PM (uAvJJ)

436 "Remember, Trumpets, you break it you buy it. There will be no returns on President Trump that you are now full-throatedly pining for. Remember this moment when you insulted and burned bridges with fellow conservatives so you could vote for the future disaster that is Trump's presidency."

Oh hell, I did remember that. I remembered those principly suggers when they left us standing at the alter with Romney and McCain.
Hell, they helped put in the O and the result was conservatism as per functionality in government becoming completely irrelevant.
It was the only bit of good news to come out of the entire 8 years IMHO.

A conservative will NEVER bring conservatism back.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 01:26 PM (bdzyz)

437 @Mr Macca Bean-A do over for what? Uhhh, Trump won the primary. Are you now projecting on to me the boo-hoo my guy lost meme? Trump is a leftist. To what degree in comparison to Hillary I don't care about. At this juncture I am not focused on Hillary, I am focused on the left. Hillary, like Obama, is just one person. I am not focused on Trump, I am focused on his new Nationalist/ Populist/Workers Party bullshit.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:26 PM (wnwJC)

438 400
Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 12:59 PM (n8haL)
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Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (lutOX)

I didn't do nothing - I voted for and financially supported the only truly constitutional conservative running, Cruz. He lost, but that does not mean I did not try to help America elect a quality person to the presidency.

We clearly disagree on the value of voting for Trump over Hillary. You see it as a net plus. I see it, given all of the ample evidence Trump (a) is not a conservative, (b) couldn't care less about the Constitution, (c) wants to continue ruling via executive fiat a la Obama, (d) has no qualms about using government power against his personal or business enemies, (e) believes he is above reproach and answering or even apologizing for past mistakes/crimes/etc, as voting for the functional equivalent of a more charismatic Hillary with man-parts.

You go right on ahead and vote for Trump as you see fit. We'll see who is right, and who can sleep well at night knowing they did or did not vote for the steaming pile known as Trump's future presidency.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (n8haL)

439 And I also find it noteworthy that the best argument that the pro-Trump crowd can now come up with in order to drag everyone else onto their sorry train is that Hillary is "certainly evil" but that Trump is "probably not as bad". LOL now put that on a bumper sticker!

TRUMP 2016 - *Probably* not as bad as Hillary!

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (uAvJJ)

440 This makes me sad. I'm pretty much done with politics after this. I can't support Trump or anyone that sells out and supports trump.

Posted by: rexbatt at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (woA40)

441 Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (uAvJJ)
***
Ahh, there's the boy! Left the LP, have you? Good man.

So, tell me, which worthy white knight has earned your vote?

Evil? The parking garage thing - if true - was business, nothing more, nothing less.

Oh? The big bad man threatened to sue a reporter? Yeah, I can see how that would give one reservations about voting for him instead of Madame Secretary..... After all, he was after filthy lucre, and wasn't concerned with - let us say - the death of an ambassador and untold numbers of civilians throughout North Africa.

Incited violence? The only violence I see are from those who, sharing your concerns about the dangers of Trump presidency, riot outside his events and assault those who dare try to attend when they aren't attacking the police. Those are some nice supporters you've got there - and don't claim they're not on your side: they don't want Trump in there any more than you do.

But, just as you please.

This one issue aside, I think you're a more-or-less hoopy frood and I'd gladly stand you a glass of whatever you're having at Fapplebees.

Yes, politics is important, but it's not all there is.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (lutOX)

442 The only joy or snark I have seen here is the delight in the total panic of the left and the media. I think we all see trump pretty clearly for the flawed person he is

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (zOTsN)

443 You go right on ahead and vote for Trump as you see fit. We'll see who is right, and who can sleep well at night knowing they did or did not vote for the steaming pile known as Trump's future presidency.
Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (n8haL)


------------


You seem very proud.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (Fmupd)

444 TRUMP 2016 - *Probably* not as bad as Hillary!
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (uAvJJ)
***
It's called, by the younger generation, 'adulting.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:30 PM (lutOX)

445 chemjeff, more than a few of us have stated why we dislike Trump.
Hillary is much worse still. Will I enjoy voting for him? No. Actually I see it as voting against Hillary.

Hillary is a wannabe Stalin.
Trump may be a narcissistic buffoon, but he's no Hitler (...and definitely not a Reagan.)
I believe America can survive 4 years of Trump.
I do not believe it will survive 4 years of Hillary and that some of us here won't either.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 01:31 PM (uhftQ)

446 I note that once again, there is not even a whisper of a pretence of "I don't of course mean anyone here when I decry former Rubio voters displeased with Rubio's actions." I supported Cruz, not Rubio; but the point remains. Are you once again going to say, Ace, that you meant only professional pundits, rather than all Tweeters? Or was yesterday's politic non-apology apology as hollow as it looked from the get-go?

The trajectory hereabouts on this blog nowadays is increasingly that of a football. A little, green one.

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at May 27, 2016 01:31 PM (WlkUc)

447 @430 jwest-Aaaaah, I'm a Nazi collaborator now. I see Soros as much as a piece of shit as Trump is. Big swing and miss there bud.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:31 PM (wnwJC)

448 "The panic on the left is reaching hysterical levels. They know they're going to lose in epic fashion. They're losing their minds."

Get ready. At some point the left is going to switch sides and proclaim they have always been Trump supporters. (Trump jocks?)

Trump is going to win by a landslide.
I don't know what Trump will do.
I am not a Trump supporter.

All the people switching will delude themselves that Trump has changed his mind about whatever issues they care about to the way they want it.


Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:31 PM (j2xmV)

449 436 A conservative will NEVER bring conservatism back.
Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 01:26 PM (bdzyz)
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Oh boy, Bush logic along the lines of "I've abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system"!

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:33 PM (n8haL)

450 "The trajectory hereabouts on this blog nowadays is increasingly that of a football. A little, green one."

Nope. Watch the face slapping scheen in Airplane (the movie). Hysteria. Not just a breakfast cereal.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:33 PM (j2xmV)

451 You go right on ahead and vote for Trump as you see fit. We'll see who is right, and who can sleep well at night knowing they did or did not vote for the steaming pile known as Trump's future presidency.-----------Omni

So your whole position is based off of fluffing your ego and saying you are better than others.
Noted.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (+aCe4)

452 you are the wind beneath your own wings
=====

What other mortal will be so?


Without ideals we have lost our humanity. I'm very sorry for you and your nastiness.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (MIKMs)

453 @Mr Macca Bean-A do over for what? Uhhh, Trump won the primary. Are you now projecting on to me the boo-hoo my guy lost meme? Trump is a leftist. To what degree in comparison to Hillary I don't care about. At this juncture I am not focused on Hillary, I am focused on the left. Hillary, like Obama, is just one person. I am not focused on Trump, I am focused on his new Nationalist/ Populist/Workers Party bullshit.
Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:26 PM (wnwJC)

This is just total bullshit. Trump is a leftist - based on what? Nobody who knows him, or has worked with him says that - only people who don't say that bullshit.

People want either "a conservative" or "a progressive". Trump may not fit conveniently into either description, but that doesn't make him a leftist.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (4ng05)

454 Trump is trolling you chumps. Like Obama he is telling you to your face what he is, but the drug is too strong. "I like uneducated people".."I don't believe these people, I could shoot someone in the middle of the street and they would still vote for me".. * I know...they'll have to call me on this one*.. "I want to make the GOP the "Worker's Party". if that doesn't sound like something a leftie would say, I don't know what they're thinking. What??..nothing??"

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (aRUb8)

455 The Rockefeller icerink was six years overdue and $12M over budget. His proposed build was 6 months, $3M, and he was under both by more than 30%. He had contracts with devastating schedule penalties. City officials said that he wasn't hampered by public works rules, which were written by city officials. And all the people who were milking the public teat were exposed.

Now, this is surely an outlier to how great his operations can be. If it was normal for him, there would have been five stories just like this, given that it happened 35 years ago.

But would Hillary do the same thing if she lived to be 1000?


Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (VdICR)

456 The right wing media, punditry and paid political campaign classes got their asses handed to them.

The NRO types, the Bill Kristol types, the Ben Shapiro and Michelle Field types, the Beck and Levin types, the Megyn and SE Cupp types for some reason thought that they were our masters. They have agendas that are not our agendas. They are paid shills.

All I see is a high school class of assholes that thought they were at the top of the food chain all butthurt that they were displaced. We voted them out.

The rest of us out here in the real world have to live in reality and what the entire uniparty political/media/chamber of commerce class have wrought upon us like dealing with diseases long thought eradicated on American soil brought in by illegal third worlders. Like having illegal 30 year old men registered in high schools. Like having not counted unemployed due to the destruction of our manufacturing base. Like paying huge amounts of money for health insurance that you can't use because the deductible is so high. Like finding out some Syrian Muslim refugees are being shipped to your neighborhood.

So all these - opinion leaders/sarc - that can't grow up and accept the will of the people - fux you.

Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (/9DJO)

457 A couple of hotties behind Trump at his rally

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (Fmupd)

458 "Hillary is a wannabe Stalin.
Trump may be a narcissistic buffoon, but he's no Hitler (...and definitely not a Reagan.)
I believe America can survive 4 years of Trump.
I do not believe it will survive 4 years of Hillary and that some of us here won't either. "

Taint what Beck said......Beownshirt. /sarc

The problem is that people, Beck is a great example, simply end up believing their own propoganda.

I mean look at Beck now. The guy have orange snack dust all over his face. He groveled to the new wage Joseph Gobbels that would be the Huck and is now pretty much promoting the woman he has been dissing over the last decade.
I would say that it is hard to watch but only because tears of laughter make it hard to watch.

Don't let people fool you. There are about 1/100th of true believer die hard's who would offer the nation up based on principles that are even less logical than an ISIS zealot.
The vast,vast,vast amount of these people are #sourgrapers. Period.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (bdzyz)

459 Life is a series of choices. This one or that, Hillary or Trump, red pill or blue pill.

Unless you want to throw your vote to Hillary via third party fantasy voting, we're stuck with voting for Trump. It's the best choice of choices we didn't want to make. But not voting for Hillary is a no-brainer.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (U+nHb)

460 443 You go right on ahead and vote for Trump as you see fit. We'll see who is right, and who can sleep well at night knowing they did or did not vote for the steaming pile known as Trump's future presidency.
Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (n8haL)
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You seem very proud.
Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (Fmupd)

It is called confidence. My wife and I sleep well knowing we did what we reasonably could to elect Cruz as the nominee. We also sleep well knowing we will never support Trump because his future failures are clear to see for those of us rooted in conservative principle.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:37 PM (n8haL)

461 Evil? The parking garage thing - if true - was business, nothing more, nothing less.

No, you are applying a double standard. When Hillary uses the power of the state against the people standing her way, we rightly characterize that as evil. But when Donald attempts to do *the same thing*, why is that shrugged off as "just business"? They ought to both be condemned. Why should Donald get a pass for something which, if Hillary tried to do it, you would rightly characterize as beyond the pale and completely wrong?

Oh? The big bad man threatened to sue a reporter? Yeah, I can see how
that would give one reservations about voting for him instead of Madame
Secretary..... After all, he was after filthy lucre, and wasn't
concerned with - let us say - the death of an ambassador and untold
numbers of civilians throughout North Africa.


You are comparing apples and oranges, of course. We KNOW that Hillary tried to intimidate and silence people who tried to cross her and her husband. Why should Donald's ACTUAL lawsuit against a reporter (and its concomitant chilling effect on other reporters) not also be condemned?

Incited violence?

Yes, when I refer to comments like this:

"So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap
out of them, would you? Seriously," he said. "OK, just knock the hell. I
promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They
won't be so much because the courts agree with us, too."

http://tinyurl.com/zpjclqk

When Obama says "get in their faces" we rightly condemn it. When Trump says much the same thing, why should he also not be condemned?

Why does Trump get the double standard treatment?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (uAvJJ)

462 We also sleep well knowing we will never support Trump because his future failures are clear to see for those of us rooted in conservative principle.
Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:37 PM (n8haL)

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So this amazing vision you have doesn't allow you to see a Hillary Presidency as being f'ing disastrous for our Country?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2016 01:39 PM (U+nHb)

463 Rubio a phony?

Tomi Lahren hardest hit!

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2016 01:39 PM (OJKE+)

464 Horde -

I'm as guilty of this as the next Hobo-hunting son of Peruvia, but we must not allow this stupid politics thing to turn us against each other.

Though conservative and cynical in about equal proportions, I have, numbered among my friends, a member in good standing of the Communist Party of the people's Republic of China, an active and reactionary member of the Kuo Min Tang, an old Romanian who fought against the Soviets as a member of the Order of the Archangel St. Michael, and various, assorted cranks.

When the political becomes the personal, Big Brother has won.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:40 PM (lutOX)

465
Why does Trump get the double standard treatment?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (uAvJJ)

Because Trump is being bombastic whereas Obama was dead serious.

Got any other easy ones?

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 27, 2016 01:43 PM (RcpcZ)

466 462 So this amazing vision you have doesn't allow you to see a Hillary Presidency as being f'ing disastrous for our Country?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2016 01:39 PM (U+nHb)
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What's so hard about understanding that both would be terrible as president? Hence my shit sandwich analogy either. We will not vote for either one of them.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:43 PM (n8haL)

467 Leaders lead. If you can't join then take steps where it won't hurt you. If you can't live in a country with Trump as president then figure out where you can move to without hurting your life. Or hunker down in place.

Rubio, Cruz and others showed that Trump was better at the contest. I understand it wasn't (fair, relevant, whatever) but it was the one selected by society and Trump was successful. If Bernie takes out Hillary then I will give that filthy communist his kudos. Read military history. One nasty, brutish, slaughter after another. They stripped and pissed on the dead body of the Commander of the defeated British at Kings Mountain. They kept the others alive so they could be traded for compatriots. This is peace and prosperity compared to 1776.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (j2xmV)

468 @453 Mr Macca Bean-Bullshit? Do you even listen to what the guy says? Have you listened to what he has said in the past? Do you know what politicians he has contributed to over the years? You say you're a conservative then go do the conservative thing and vet your candidate. You want to vote for Trump that's your choice not my place to say who you can or cannot vote for. I listen to what the guy says and has said, I think he's a f'ing menace.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (wnwJC)

469 "We have to work with the tools at hand. Reform the Republican party, get better people in office, make them STAND for something. That's, in part, what the TEA Party was trying to do, and got co-opted and attacked by the GOPe. It doesn't mean it was a bad idea, it just means we have to fight harder and smarter next time."

The majority of the now sundered anti-GOPe coalition betrayed the entire purpose of that effort by supporting the antithesis of the TEA Party. How are we supposed to fight to reform the Republican Party along conservative lines now, when conservatism itself has been rejected and there is no longer any trust between Trump Republicans and Cruz Republicans? The only option left is to attempt to play Trump and GOPe factions off against each other in return for reciprocal favors, with no more illusions about either.

On that subject, what to do about Rubio? He's a treacherous little bitch, but trust no longer matters to the Republican electorate and his amnesty wishes are presumably blocked by Trump-do we support his imminent re-election bid to secure his seat in the Senate, or block him in favor of a reliable conservative?

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (KF8B+)

470 When Obama says "get in their faces" we rightly condemn it. When Trump says much the same thing, why should he also not be condemned?

Why does Trump get the double standard treatment?

When Obama says 'get in their faces' he means attack, attack, attack, start fights, intimidate, shout down, and threaten violence.

When Trump says 'fight back' he means defend yourself, your friends, your country.

Posted by: Marielito Cabraoni at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (0LmgR)

471 Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (uAvJJ)
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Hillary's use of state power gets people dead, and is certainly illegal. Can you show a similar objection to your 'poor little granny evicted by the big bad billionaire'?

Free speech concerns? Duly noted. Hillary has her enemies' list, and Barry was not above encouraging citizens to report on people spreading lies and disinformation about Obama-care; given her support for his goals and methods, and the fact that she has used the power of the state in abusive ways, whereas Trump has been, at worst, a vexatious litigant - I'll give you time to look that one up - I think the advantage is Trump's on that front.

A joke about tomato-throwing is on a par with illegals and their Red supporters starting riots. That's a mighty fine, and highly-developed sense of proportion you've got there.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:46 PM (lutOX)

472 Trump wants his debate with Bernie to benefit Planned Parenthood.

Square that circle, please.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM (1xUj/)


Has he said so in so many words?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 01:46 PM (KfsMv)

473 456The NRO types, the Bill Kristol types, the Ben Shapiro and Michelle Field types, the Beck and Levin types, the Megyn and SE Cupp types for some reason thought that they were our masters. They have agendas that are not our agendas. They are paid shills.
Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (/9DJO)

If you genuinely believe people like Beck, Levin, and Shapiro are "paid shills," you are *completely* delusional. You have clearly never listened to them at length, either. They all three are staunch constitutional conservatives to their core and operate wholly on principle, not party or person.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 01:47 PM (n8haL)

474 Trump may be a narcissistic buffoon,

That is looking at Trump through rose-colored glasses, honestly. On his best days he is merely a narcissistic buffoon. On his worst days, he is suing reporters, spreading nonsense vicious lies about his opponents' families, not to mention loony conspiracy theories, and telling his supporters essentially to "get in their faces" just as Obama did to his supporters.

If Hillary is a wannabe Stalin, then Trump is a wannabe strongman. We take Hillary's past horrible actions and make a reasonable prediction that her presidency would be terrible. Why can't we apply the same standards of reasoning to what Trump has done?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:47 PM (uAvJJ)

475
Got any other easy ones?
Posted by: Ed Anger at May 27, 2016 01:43 PM (RcpcZ)
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But you don't KNOW that he wouldn't unleash waves of stormtroopers against innocent grannies in order to build his parking lot......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (lutOX)

476 "Why should Donald's ACTUAL lawsuit against a reporter (and its concomitant chilling effect on other reporters) not also be condemned?"

She sued first. Probably for attention and to sell her book. She tugged on his elbow. That's battery. :-)

Now they are afraid to tell lies? LOL. They just up their lie telling game.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (j2xmV)

477 If Hillary is a wannabe Stalin, then Trump is a wannabe strongman. We take Hillary's past horrible actions and make a reasonable prediction that her presidency would be terrible. Why can't we apply the same standards of reasoning to what Trump has done?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:47 PM (uAvJJ)
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Granted.

I wanted Cruz, and voted for him.

So, the choice is now Hillary or Trump. What's your pick?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:49 PM (lutOX)

478 @422 I agree with this observation about the social acceptability of candidates, though I don't believe it is the true basis for our dislike of Trump. He alienated us from the start with his ignorance, and then he never displayed any willingness to put in the effort to learn anything about the job he wanted, which was evident by the second debate. The fact that he's unacceptable I support publicly does have something to do with why we'll never "come around" on him, I'm sure, but also he's just a damn idiot. Kasich was a damn idiot too, he would have been "acceptable" to support, the standards are just different even if it's not logical.

If your job doesn't require you to wear a blue jumpsuit with a name patch on it, try telling your co-workers you want to vote for Trump and see what happens.

Posted by: Cjw at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (ZXJxj)

479 Why can't we apply the same standards of reasoning to what Trump has done?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:47 PM (uAvJJ)


What is it you're arguing for?

Do you want them to turn the primary machines back on so someone else can win? That isn't going to happen.

Try to get to the bottom line. What do you want?

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (Zs4uk)

480 Trump wants his debate with Bernie to benefit Planned Parenthood.

Square that circle, please.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 12:31 PM

That is not what he said, in the very link you provided @357


Women's health issues like, but not limited to,

Breast Cancer
Cervical Cancer

Ovarian Cancer


Posted by: Marielito Cabraoni at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (0LmgR)

481 "then Trump is a wannabe strongman. "

Trump has invaded the mind of everyone that knows about him. No wannabe there. Trump is a strongman. Trump is going to make America great again. :-)

Most everyone believes the above. Trump won. Adjust.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (j2xmV)

482 Try to get to the bottom line. What do you want?
Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (Zs4uk)
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Social affirmation, a discount at Fapplebee's, and a handy from the waitress.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (lutOX)

483 There is no greater "adult baby" than the Alt-Righters who see Trump at their new Fuehrer...

Posted by: The Anti-Socialist Hat at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (itfg0)

484 "Why should Donald's ACTUAL lawsuit against a reporter (and its
concomitant chilling effect on other reporters) not also be condemned?"



She sued first. Probably for attention and to sell her book. She tugged on his elbow. That's battery. :-)
Now they are afraid to tell lies? LOL. They just up their lie telling game.
=====

Uh. Different reporter, different issue.


Since both major candidates are whore and john changing to fit circumstances, who gets to play the pimp? My best guess right now is the media.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (MIKMs)

485 Are these the same people who told me I had to vote for McCain and Romney?

It's getting hard to keep up.

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (3myMJ)

486 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:46 PM (lutOX)

Once again you are refusing to apply the same standards to Trump as you would to Hillary. Why?

Imagine if Hillary had tried to evict a grandma from her home so that she could build her mansion at Chappaqua. Would you really just shrug it off and say "eh, that's just business"? I find that highly unlikely.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (uAvJJ)

487 "Breast Cancer Cervical Cancer Ovarian Cancer"

Amazing how many people are ignorant of the fact that PP takes money from these charities to fund abortion of mostly black babies.

Someone tell Oprah and Woopie.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:54 PM (jN+3o)

488 483 There is no greater "adult baby" than the Alt-Righters who see Trump at their new Fuehrer...
Posted by: The Anti-Socialist Hat at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (itfg0)
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Oh, noes! the alt-right, a marginal crank movement that amounts to a rounding error in Trump's support....

Fuhrer - never go full-Godwin, son...

Here, have some smelling-salts.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:54 PM (lutOX)

489 Maybe Ace could set up a never ending thread where all the dead-enders of different persuasions can repeat the same things over and over and over again while the rest of the world moves on.

Some need a room to themselves. Lace out.

Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (/9DJO)

490 Try to get to the bottom line. What do you want?

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (Zs4uk)
I am asking for a bit of intellectual consistency, and less shilling, on the part of Trump.
I am asking you to hold Trump to the same standard that you would hold Hillary, or any other politician for that matter.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (uAvJJ)

491 Imagine if Hillary had tried to evict a grandma from her home so that she could build her mansion at Chappaqua. Would you really just shrug it off and say "eh, that's just business"? I find that highly unlikely.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (uAvJJ)


Hillary wouldn't evict an old lady, she would either have her arrested on a false charge (like Travelgate) or have her killed (ala Vince Foster).

Trump's a businessman. Hillary is a criminal.

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (Zs4uk)

492 The Rockefeller icerink was six years overdue and $12M over budget.


Wollman Rink in Central Park, not the one at Rockefeller Center.


Only thing I credit the guy for.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (1xUj/)

493 @453 Mr Macca Bean-Bullshit? Do you even listen to what the guy says? Have you listened to what he has said in the past? Do you know what politicians he has contributed to over the years? You say you're a conservative then go do the conservative thing and vet your candidate. You want to vote for Trump that's your choice not my place to say who you can or cannot vote for. I listen to what the guy says and has said, I think he's a f'ing menace.
Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (wnwJC)

I asked twice for alternatives and justifications. Not you, or anyone else have even attempted to give any. The rest is just empty bullshit.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (4ng05)

494 Or you can be a Rubio fan who understands that he realizes that he is still right of center and prefers the candidate that is more likely to govern that way. (me! - c'mon ace, the majority of rubio fans are not the whiny crybabies who are likely to be the most vocal on social media)

I think your explanation of the 'sarah palin' of the upper middle class is a little self-serving Ace. There's no reason he can't be a solidly conservative (and moderate on a few issues) guy who also happens to appeal to that segment of the base that wants somebody who is particularly charismatic and who can actually preach effectively to those who aren't already converted and who doesn't go around telling gays they're going to burn in hell.

He clearly is not as much divisive as ted cruz and yet actually has stronger convictions than donald. That's not a bad thing.

Posted by: inyourheadZOBMIE at May 27, 2016 01:57 PM (rGHQe)

495 "Imagine if Hillary"

Had people in a government office fired to facilitate travel fraud and then had one of them prosecuted to make it look like they had done something wrong.

What Trump did doesn't even come close to Kelo v. City of New London let alone Hillary and the travel office.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 01:58 PM (j2xmV)

496 Imagine if Hillary had tried to evict a grandma from her home so that she could build her mansion at Chappaqua. Would you really just shrug it off and say "eh, that's just business"? I find that highly unlikely.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (uAvJJ)
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Trump didn't use the unaccountable power of the executive branch to attain his ends; Hillary and her husband have and will do so for as long as they can.

Message received.

Trump's as bad as Hillary, for you.

I'd suggest a bit of nuance - he's not demonstrated quite the zeal and vigor for abusing STATE power - which isn't quite the same thing as the civil courts - to attack his enemies that Hillary has. Trump - assuming your little morality tale is true - only wanted money; Hillary wants obedience. I can trust a man who wants money; a man who wants obedience, I do not trust.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (lutOX)

497 "If you genuinely believe people like Beck, Levin, and Shapiro are "paid shills," you are *completely* delusional. You have clearly never listened to them at length, either. They all three are staunch constitutional conservatives to their core and operate wholly on principle, not party or person."

Beck - Snicker
Shapiro - Ouch my arm
Levin - Cruz is canadian/cuban

So much for staunch constitutional conservatives.

Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (/9DJO)

498
Imagine if Hillary had tried to evict a grandma from her home so that she could build her mansion at Chappaqua. Would you really just shrug it off and say "eh, that's just business"? I find that highly unlikely.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (uAvJJ)

I imagine Hillary jailing a film maker to hide her incompetence that resulted in the death of four Americans.

Oops! No imagining necessary for that one!

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 27, 2016 02:01 PM (RcpcZ)

499 "clearly is not as much divisive as ted cruz"

Lots of people hate Rubio's guts and would ask Palin to come in and Cantor him.

If (big... if) Palin cantors Ryan then she suddenly becomes a big time player.

My bet is not. But she will have whacked Ryan's pee pee no mater what he says.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 02:01 PM (jN+3o)

500 I am asking for a bit of intellectual consistency, and less shilling, on the part of Trump.
I am asking you to hold Trump to the same standard that you would hold Hillary, or any other politician for that matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (uAvJJ)
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No, you don't. The open-eyed folks voting Trump have expressed our reservations about the man, and know he is more or less a clown.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (lutOX)

501 @Mr Macca Bean-Alternative to what? Justifications? Unless I missed something upthread I don't know what you're asking.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (wnwJC)

502 But you don't KNOW that he wouldn't unleash waves of stormtroopers against innocent grannies in order to build his parking lot...... Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (lutOX)

I never claimed that he would "unleash waves of stormtroopers", don't put words in my mouth. But his past actions give us a reasonable basis to form a conclusion on what he might do in the future, don't you think?
We saw that he was not above trying to use the power of the state to evict a woman who was standing in his way. I think that is wrong, and should be condemned. And furthermore I think that this *mentality*, that "little people" should submit to the superior demands of the more powerful, to be anathema to liberty. So when it comes to an analogous issue of, say, warrantless wiretapping, where everyone is forced to give up some of their rights in the service of some ill-defined goal somehow connected to national security, where do you think Trump will land on this issue? Does his past actions give us any basis at all to conclude that Trump will be a stalwart defender of the liberties of individuals to be free from unwarranted government intrusion?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (uAvJJ)

503 Great post, Ace.

My question is, if such criticism so easily slides out of you for Rubio fans, why not aim the same at Cruz followers.

They are just more committed lemmings.

I like Marco Rubio, and I have a feeling I'd like his followers.

I liike Ted Cruz, but I have a feeling I would not enjoy being around his followers one bit.

Considering the fact that the Republican Party is in open rebellion against it's own constituency, I will vote Trump: The Hammer that will destroy the GOP.

Posted by: Pastorius at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (gMAUH)

504 If Hillary is a wannabe Stalin, then Trump is a wannabe strongman. We take Hillary's past horrible actions and make a reasonable prediction that her presidency would be terrible. Why can't we apply the same standards of reasoning to what Trump has done?--------chemjeff

Trump presidency- Garbage and Tire Fire
Hillary Presidency- Auschwitz

See why I would take Trump over Hillary?
In a perfect world I would be voting for Cruz.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (0x/TW)

505 The open-eyed folks voting Trump have expressed our reservations about the man, and know he is more or less a clown.

Merely referring to him as a "clown", though, is far too generous. He is merely a clown on his GOOD days. It is indicative that you are holding Trump to a double standard, a much lower one, one that you would never hold, say, Hillary to. Why?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (uAvJJ)

506 No, you don't. The open-eyed folks voting Trump have expressed our reservations about the man, and know he is more or less a clown.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (lutOX)
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Wait, wait, wait... I thought you were a big Trump booster during the Primaries? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (mFkVC)

507 huh? at May 27, 2016 01:54 PM

Sounds more like fraud than ignorance.

If charities are soliciting donations for research into women's cancers and the search for treatment or cures, and instead, giving that money to Planned Parenthood for abortions, then someone is being defrauded.

Would you happen to have names and evidence?

Posted by: Marielito Cabraoni at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (0LmgR)

508 I still maintain some butthurt over the way DJT unfairly and classelessly maligned my boy Ted.
That said, I cannot abide Hillary in the White House.
So, since its been a done-deal for the nomination, I've gone from Never-Trump, to Trump-curious, to Probably-Trump.
Barring of course that a week before the general DJT declares that he's going to nuke it out with Chiner if they don't agree to a new trade deal, or like event, which I put at about a 10% probability.
God save the Republic.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (k8tEg)

509 Considering the fact that the Republican Party is in open rebellion against it's own constituency, I will vote Trump: The Hammer that will destroy the GOP.

Posted by: Pastorius at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (gMAUH)

You forgot the sickle.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (B11vO)

510 Considering the fact that the Republican Party is in open rebellion against it's own constituency, I will vote Trump: The Hammer that will destroy the GOP.

Posted by: Pastorius at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (gMAUH)
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So what comes after the GOP?

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (mFkVC)

511 If the Clintons had tried to get some grandma evicted in order to build a parking garage for the Clinton Foundation offices, no one here would EVER just shrug it off and say "meh, that's just business". We would all rightly say that it was an abuse of power.

But Donald Trump does it, and it's no big deal?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (uAvJJ)

512 "I am asking you to hold Trump to the same standard that you would hold Hillary, or any other politician for that matter."

I do. And I would hope it comes through in my postings. I'm not a Trump supporter. I think Trump will be the next president. I think Trump will be better than every Democrat from LBJ to the present. That is a very low bar.

I also think he will be better than read-my-lips Bush.

I pray that it is so.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (j2xmV)

513 So what comes after the GOP?
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (mFkVC)

The "Workers Party".

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (Y3C5w)

514 If you're all about "principles" and you're looking for them in "politics", YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Posted by: tsj017 at May 27, 2016 02:07 PM (4YUWF)

515 @507
You forget the legal principle of "Whose Ox Has Been Gored"
In this case its Jesus people from racist land.
So its legal

Posted by: Barry O'Bama, Prof Constl Law at May 27, 2016 02:08 PM (k8tEg)

516 "So what comes after the GOP?"

GOPe ===> GOPt

The elephants from the Circus get a new home.

Clowns are fired in DC?

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 02:08 PM (j2xmV)

517
We also sleep well knowing we will never support Trump because his future failures are clear to see for those of us rooted in conservative principle.

So don't vote for Trump,but spare us the self aggrandizement.Because in reallity you're just pissed off that your BFF didn't get voted team captain so you quit and are stomping off somewhere to pout

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 02:09 PM (lKyWE)

518 477 If Hillary is a wannabe Stalin, then Trump is a wannabe strongman. We take Hillary's past horrible actions and make a reasonable prediction that her presidency would be terrible. Why can't we apply the same standards of reasoning to what Trump has done?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 01:47 PM (uAvJJ)
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Granted.

I wanted Cruz, and voted for him.

So, the choice is now Hillary or Trump. What's your pick?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:49 PM (lutOX)
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Ah, the fundamental misunderstanding by newly minted Trumpets towards steadfast #NeverTrumpers is on perfect display here. Let me enlighten you, YDDUPSAHA.

We #NeverTrumpers did not vote for Cruz merely for the sake of voting for Cruz over his poor quality competitors. We specifically voted for the conservative principles he embodied and espoused. If he did not hold those things I would not have voted for him. Also, I would have no problem voting for the (D) in the race if they embodied and espoused similar conservative principles. Unlike you and Ace I do not vote purely for a party or person, but principles.

The choice you presented is a false one. Neither Trump nor Hillary hold constitutional conservative principles, and therefore I am under no moral obligation to vote for either one. Both can go pound sand.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 02:10 PM (n8haL)

519 We also sleep well knowing we will never support Trump because his future failures are clear to see for those of us rooted in conservative principle.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 02:09 PM (lKyWE)

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And you ARE voting for Trump because his future success (or at least, noticeable superiority to Clinton) are clear to see.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 02:11 PM (mFkVC)

520 "So don't vote for Trump,but spare us the self aggrandizement.Because in reallity you're just pissed off that your BFF didn't get voted team captain so you quit and are stomping off somewhere to pout"

^^This. lol

Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:11 PM (/9DJO)

521 Chemjeff, yes Trump has abused his power, but is nowhere near as bad as Hillary. You seem to miss that fact.
Like I said, I dislike Trump very much and supported Cruz.
I despise Hillary.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 27, 2016 02:12 PM (0x/TW)

522 ".... But his past actions give us a reasonable basis to form a conclusion on what he might do in the future, don't you think?"

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (uAvJJ)


Absolutely.

Trump went to court, used the law and did everything he could to legally remove the old lady. That's the actual history. That's the truth.

Hillary had false charges brought against the Travel Office employees to open a spot for her Hollywood friends, just so she wouldn't APPEAR to be removing them for political purposes.

She made these poor people fight CRIMINAL CHARGES, people who had never did anything to her, just so she could give the travel office to friends.

This is the history. This is the truth.

How can even compare Trump to Hillary?

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 02:12 PM (Zs4uk)

523 517
We also sleep well knowing we will never support Trump because his future failures are clear to see for those of us rooted in conservative principle.

So don't vote for Trump,but spare us the self aggrandizement.Because in reallity you're just pissed off that your BFF didn't get voted team captain so you quit and are stomping off somewhere to pout.
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I would, normally. But Ace and other like-minded "conservatives" here are performing a complete broadside offensive against people like me who continue to hold onto conservative principles and will not vote for Trump. Don't insult us if you don't want a response.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 02:12 PM (n8haL)

524 "I am asking you to hold Trump to the same standard that you would hold Hillary, or any other politician for that matter."

Exactly.

The exact moment I switched from anti-anti-Trump to just plain anti-Trump was when he criticized Cruz for being unpopular with the Establishment for refusing to compromise his campaign pledges by "making deals" with the likes of McConnell.

Before that, I wasted tens of hours of my time over several months defending Trump supporters at outlets like NR and The Federalist, all the while planning to vote for Trump in protest in the event that Cruz failed to gain traction (I was even willing to forget about that repulsive Birther bullshit). Then Trump abandons all pretense at being an anti-Establishment force, and his supporters stuck by him.

It was then I realized that all this time his supporters had favored him for almost entirely different reasons than I had thought, and for reasons completely at odds with everything we had all been claiming for years on conservative blogs. He could do or say no wrong.

I'll probably still vote for the bastard in the end (unless the election isn't close), but I just don't see any way the the anti-GOPe coalition can be rebuilt in the future, or for the Establishment (except possibly on immigration) isn't empowered in the long regardless of the outcome in November.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 02:14 PM (KF8B+)

525 This is your Ace on Trump.

But seriously, who expected Rubio to do anything but fall in line?

Posted by: Immolate at May 27, 2016 02:14 PM (R1oMt)

526 Oh, noes! the alt-right, a marginal crank movement that amounts to a rounding error in Trump's support....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:54 PM (lutOX)

They are his hardest of hard core supporters. Their appeal to "Whiteness" may not be shared by all, but it is damn attractive to many as an alternate to the Left's racial politics.

The Left wanted an "Us vs. Them", and the Alt-Right agrees, with the only difference being who is "Us" and who is "Them".

Posted by: The Anti-Socialist Hat at May 27, 2016 02:15 PM (itfg0)

527 I do. And I would hope it comes through in my
postings. I'm not a Trump supporter. I think Trump will be the next
president. I think Trump will be better than every Democrat from LBJ to
the present. That is a very low bar.



I also think he will be better than read-my-lips Bush.



I pray that it is so.



Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (j2xmV)
I hope you do, and I applaud you for that. I see too many people willing to overlook the things that Trump has done in his life that are at the very minimum troubling. Dismissing it all as him being a "clown" or "buffoon" just sweeps it under the rug.
I think - and now this is my prediction, not some "absolute certainty" - that Trump would be a cross between Richard Nixon, Andrew Jackson, and Ulysses Grant. He would let his staff have free rein over the executive branch and they would get into a lot of trouble. He wouldn't really give a damn about most issues and he will basically be a celebrity president, where the national discourse will be conducted via Twitter-level ravings, more or less. And on those issues where he does feel passionately, he wouldn't hesitate to rile up the mob to support him against everyone else, even if tradition, the law, precedent, or the Constitution were against him.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:16 PM (uAvJJ)

528 Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (uAvJJ)
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The 'waves of stormtroopers' thing was a riff on your concerns, previously expressed, that while we know that Hillary would almost certainly commit atrocities against the commonweal, we don't know for certain that Trump would not.

It's called humor, and, this case was an instance of what is known as 'reductio ad absurdum,' and you'll do far better in life once you learn something about it.

"Does his past actions give us any basis at all to conclude that Trump will be a stalwart defender of the liberties of individuals to be free from unwarranted government intrusion?"

Verb needs to be in the plural, amigo. 'Do' for more than one in this case. But that's just me being snarky.

And have I ever argued he'd be a stalwart defender of liberty?

No. I've said he's the least worst option.

But keep shifting the goal-posts and putting words in my mouth, the which you despise when you think other are doing this to you.

There is no 'best' choice here. It's Hillary or Golden Hair-Weasel. Grow up and accept it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:17 PM (lutOX)

529 Beck - Snicker
Shapiro - Ouch my arm
Levin - Cruz is canadian/cuban

So much for staunch constitutional conservatives.

Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (/9DJO)
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If you bother to actually make an intelligible argument against them I will respond substantively. I won't if you merely want to list irrelevant blurbs.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 02:17 PM (n8haL)

530 ZZOOOOOMMMGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

TRUMP IS HITLER AND HE'S GOING TO KILL US ALL. WE MUST VOTE FOR HILLARY TO STOP THIS MADMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The most principly principle that ever lived at May 27, 2016 02:19 PM (/9DJO)

531 So don't vote for Trump,but spare us the self aggrandizement.Because in
reallity you're just pissed off that your BFF didn't get voted team
captain so you quit and are stomping off somewhere to pout
=====

Nonsense.

Every man must face himself in the mirror in the morning.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 02:21 PM (MIKMs)

532 "If you bother to actually make an intelligible argument against them I will respond substantively. I won't if you merely want to list irrelevant blurbs."

No thanks. People who live in the real world already understand.

Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:22 PM (/9DJO)

533 ....where the national discourse will be conducted via Twitter-level ravings, more or less. And on those issues where he does feel passionately, he wouldn't hesitate to rile up the mob to support him against everyone else, even if tradition, the law, precedent, or the Constitution were against him.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:16 PM (uAvJJ)
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WRT to Twitter - he'd make the whole nation like Psaki's State department, then? So, status quo...

Rile up the mob - jeez - this guy scares you, doesn't he? He's never suggested law-breaking, never acted, unlike a sitting President and Madame Secretary, that the law and Constitution are obstacles to social justice, never attempted, as did AG Holder, to crowd-source the persecution of an American (Zimmerman) who had he misfortune of having to shoot and kill a black youth.

Yep, we can't be sure what he WON'T do, and he flip-flops regularly, so you've said, but you above all other know for damned sure that it's only a matter of time before he unleashes the mob and undermines the Republic.

F*cking psychic, yes you are. And yet, you never hit the Powerball....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:24 PM (lutOX)

534
Virtue signaling is for dopes.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 27, 2016 02:24 PM (RcpcZ)

535 Beck - Snicker

Shapiro - Ouch my arm

Levin - Cruz is canadian/cuban



So much for staunch constitutional conservatives.





Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (/9DJO)

That makes no sense. Can you clarify each of those?

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 02:26 PM (aRUb8)

536 534
Virtue signaling is for dopes.
Posted by: Ed Anger at May 27, 2016 02:24 PM (RcpcZ)
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But it means so much to them, bless their hearts.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:26 PM (lutOX)

537 But you don't KNOW that he wouldn't unleash waves of stormtroopers against innocent grannies in order to build his parking lot......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (lutOX)


If I remember correctly, that "innocent granny" would have been much better off if she had taken Trump's initial offer for her land, and skipped to Florida. She beat the eminent domain deal in court, and wound up with a worthless property she couldn't sell. Dumb as a post.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:27 PM (KfsMv)

538 532 "If you bother to actually make an intelligible argument against them I will respond substantively. I won't if you merely want to list irrelevant blurbs."

No thanks. People who live in the real world already understand.
Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:22 PM (/9DJO)

It's amazingly how quickly supposed conservatives that choose to abandon their principles devolve to using Leftist-style "debate" tactics when approached by an actual conservative ready and willing to substantively debate. In this case, you substitute irrelevant banalities for an actual critique and then claim victory and walk away when pressed. Zzz.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 02:28 PM (n8haL)

539 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:27 PM (KfsMv)
***
Doesn't matter.

CJ detects evil there, and that's enough.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:28 PM (lutOX)

540 An avaricious, felonious, leftist traitor with dynastic ambitions will produce a conservative resurgence, while a vulgar patriot will destroy us.
Posted by: iforgot at May 27, 2016 12:11 PM (pC96u)
___________________

Exactly. Trump may be a short-fingered vulgarian, but he's a vulgarian who might actually enforce some immigration laws, and who says he's going to stop the U.S. from dumping money down the U.N. "climate change" black hole of corruption.

That vulgarian is infinitely preferable to an open-borders, illegal alien-pandering, corrupt, traitorous, incompetent b*tch who has already spent four years exposing our national security secrets to every hacker on the planet.

Rubio has recognized reality. The rest of the Never Trump crowd should follow his lead.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 27, 2016 02:29 PM (BNs9e)

541 Absolutely.



Trump went to court, used the law and did everything he could to
legally remove the old lady. That's the actual history. That's the
truth.



Hillary had false charges brought against the Travel Office
employees to open a spot for her Hollywood friends, just so she wouldn't
APPEAR to be removing them for political purposes.



She made these poor people fight CRIMINAL CHARGES, people who had
never did anything to her, just so she could give the travel office to
friends.



This is the history. This is the truth.



How can even compare Trump to Hillary?

Posted by: jwest at May 27, 2016 02:12 PM (Zs4uk)
But here is the thing. Only the RESULT of Hillary's actions were worse. The MENTALITY of both of them was the same - use whatever means are at your disposal to exert power over those standing in your way. How can we say that Trump, given the opportunity, wouldn't have done the same or similar types of things that Hillary was able to do? After all they share the same philosophy on this matter.

And you are downplaying what Trump actually did. Trump offered to buy the property, and Vera Coking refused. Trump's next step was NOT to go to court, but to go to the local development authority and use THEM to try to *seize* the land via eminent domain. Trump lost the lawsuit only when Coking fought them in court. Oh and by the way all this happened even before the Kelo decision, so it wasn't even a matter of settled case law whether government should have the authority to seize private land in order to hand it over to developers.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:30 PM (uAvJJ)

542 They are his hardest of hard core supporters. Their appeal to "Whiteness" may not be shared by all, but it is damn attractive to many as an alternate to the Left's racial politics.

The Left wanted an "Us vs. Them", and the Alt-Right agrees, with the only difference being who is "Us" and who is "Them".
Posted by: The Anti-Socialist Hat at May 27, 2016 02:15 PM (itfg0)

Either way, the left wins, because it's all based on collectivism. And that's why we're tugging at each other and why we have these rifts: collectivism. Donald Trump won't help that one bit.

I understand those who feel that they need to choose Trump now (as I do), but those who were with Trump from the beginning deserve a rude awakening. Unless they were all about collectivism from the start: then they are my enemy.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:31 PM (Y3C5w)

543 That vulgarian is infinitely preferable to an open-borders, illegal alien-pandering, corrupt, traitorous, incompetent b*tch who has already spent four years exposing our national security secrets to every hacker on the planet.

Rubio has recognized reality. The rest of the Never Trump crowd should follow his lead.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 27, 2016 02:29 PM (BNs9e)
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But that sad, lonely fellow at Fapplebee's says otherwise, and who am I to argue against the morality, political wisdom, and phronesis of a high-school chem teacher?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:31 PM (lutOX)

544 If your job doesn't require you to wear a blue jumpsuit with a name patch on it, try telling your co-workers you want to vote for Trump and see what happens.

Posted by: Cjw at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (ZXJxj)


There it is, for all to see. Out-and-out classism on the part of the nevertrumpers. Which was the gist of Ace's post on Rubio, as it happens.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:32 PM (KfsMv)

545 Exactly. Trump may be a short-fingered vulgarian, but he's a vulgarian who might actually enforce some immigration laws, and who says he's going to stop the U.S. from dumping money down the U.N. "climate change" black hole of corruption.

That vulgarian is infinitely preferable to an open-borders, illegal alien-pandering, corrupt, traitorous, incompetent b*tch who has already spent four years exposing our national security secrets to every hacker on the planet.

Rubio has recognized reality. The rest of the Never Trump crowd should follow his lead.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 27, 2016 02:29 PM (BNs9e)

"Might" is the key word here. "Might".

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:32 PM (Y3C5w)

546 Rubio is the only honest politician we have.

Look at that IG report.

Donald Trump disgusts me, but I'm not in a position to change anything that is happening.

Hillary is a crook. Outright. A crook!

Rubio is right to do this. The country is too important.

If I could stop Trump I would. If Rubio could stop Trump he would. But he can't. No one can. But Hillary can be stopped.

Rubio has to choose, he has a responsibility to look at the situation and use his influence the best way left to use it. And this is it.

I makes a difference to me that he thinks Hillary is worse than Trump, and says so much about just how bad Hillary really is.

It's a roll of the dice or sure destruction. I suppose we will all roll the dice in the end.

I think Trump is going to be President. But at least Hillary won't be.


Posted by: petunia at May 27, 2016 02:33 PM (VoCyE)

547
If I remember correctly, that "innocent granny"
would have been much better off if she had taken Trump's initial offer
for her land, and skipped to Florida. She beat the eminent domain deal
in court, and wound up with a worthless property she couldn't sell. Dumb
as a post.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:27 PM (KfsMv)
Some people don't take lightly to having their property effectively stolen from them. Vera Coking IS the "little person" that people like Trump are now claiming to want to represent.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:33 PM (uAvJJ)

548 That makes no sense. Can you clarify each of those?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 02:26 PM (aRUb

That's what I said. Here's his response:

No thanks. People who live in the real world already understand.
Posted by: The media Suxs at May 27, 2016 02:22 PM

This guy is personification of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Posted by: Omni at May 27, 2016 02:34 PM (n8haL)

549 Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:30 PM (uAvJJ)
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So the unsuccessful attempt to further a business deal that would have enriched all parties is on a par with, I don't know, Benghazi, the travel office, Vince Foster, the Clinton Foundation, and who knows what all.....

I wish I had a soul as pure as yours, and I'm sure you wish the same for yourself.

But enough of this.... what's on the Fapplebee's menu?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:35 PM (lutOX)

550
There it is, for all to see. Out-and-out classism on the part of the nevertrumpers. Which was the gist of Ace's post on Rubio, as it happens.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:32 PM (KfsMv)

Well, there's something about not wanting ruinous tariffs and Union boosting that really appeals to my "classism". I'm not nevertrump, but this romanticized view of the "working man" when the "working man" may be right to be frustrated but be wrong on so much is idiotic.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:37 PM (Y3C5w)

551
"Might" is the key word here. "Might".
Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:32 PM (Y3C5w)
______________________

Yes, and I used that word deliberately.

Trump might enforce immigration laws. Hillary damn sure never will, and she has already promised that she will amnesty every illegal alien in sight, with or without congress.

So the choice between the two of them should be fairly easy.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 27, 2016 02:37 PM (BNs9e)

552 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (4ng05)

Thanks for the answer. I agree Ryan is a professional politician. That said, I still can't vote for Trumps mental illnesses and personality disorders. He's bad enough now. Given power and a sense of invulnerability, he would be dangerous..if not from power intoxication, from power welded to stupidity and ignorance of real world processes. Can't do it.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 02:39 PM (aRUb8)

553 Vera Coking IS the "little person" that people like Trump are now claiming to want to represent.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:33 PM (uAvJJ)
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The little person who would have had a nice pile of cash, if she'd had good advisors.

But, hey, it supports your 'anti-Trump-but-not-really-pro-Hillary' argument, so enjoy it.

Ambassador Stevens could not be reached for comment on the matter.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:40 PM (lutOX)

554 So the choice between the two of them should be fairly easy.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 27, 2016 02:37 PM (BNs9e)
***
But it isn't.... I mean, even high school chemistry teachers can't see the difference. Some went to the Libs until they realized that they were even worse than their fever dreams of what Golden Hair-Weasel might suggest.

It's just amazing how often reality disappoints these people....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:43 PM (lutOX)

555 Ambassador Stevens could not be reached for comment on the matter.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:40 PM (lutOX)

I think its wonderful how Trump is going to group Benghazi with Whitewater and Vince Foster, don't you?

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:43 PM (Y3C5w)

556 Oh FFS, Palpatine. You continue to minimize, downplay, and make false comparisons with regard to Trump. Of course they are not the same, but that is not the point. The mentality behind Hillary's actions, and the mentality behind Trump's actions, come from a *similar place*. The results of Hillary's actions are simply worse because she has had greater access to the levers of power, and not necessarily because she is simply a more evil person. Hillary's seeds of corruption and evil have had greater opportunities to bloom and flourish compared to Trump's.

That is why both of them are so incredibly frightening.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:43 PM (uAvJJ)

557 The little person who would have had a nice pile of cash, if she'd had good advisors.

The little person who had the power of the state enlisted by the rich and connected to try to effectively steal her property.

Gee, someone using the power of the state to try to advance his own personal interests. Does that sound like any other presidential candidate that we know?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:46 PM (uAvJJ)

558 That is why both of them are so incredibly frightening.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:43 PM (uAvJJ)
***
Okay, you're afraid - I get that and have for a long time.

Which frightens you worse?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:46 PM (lutOX)

559 And you are downplaying what Trump actually did. Trump offered to buy the property, and Vera Coking refused. Trump's next step was NOT to go to court, but to go to the local development authority and use THEM to try to *seize* the land via eminent domain. Trump lost the lawsuit only when Coking fought them in court. Oh and by the way all this happened even before the Kelo decision, so it wasn't even a matter of settled case law whether government should have the authority to seize private land in order to hand it over to developers.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:30 PM (uAvJJ)


And the silly bint died broke. She should have taken Trump's initial, quite generous, offer, and run.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:47 PM (KfsMv)

560 Does that sound like any other presidential candidate that we know?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:46 PM (uAvJJ)
***

Trump would have given her cold, hard cash if she'd gone along; your Abuela Borracha would give her jail time at worst, and nothing at least.

And yet, you won't vote for the only candidate who has a chance of stopping her...

Fascinating...

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:49 PM (lutOX)

561 And the silly bint died broke. She should have taken Trump's initial, quite generous, offer, and run.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:47 PM (KfsMv)

It's not the money that matters here...

Again. Trump > Hillary, but he's a piece of shit.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:51 PM (Y3C5w)

562 I think it is great that Obama kissed Japan's ass. We need them help fight austrosities around the world because they experienced one

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 27, 2016 02:51 PM (rWB8J)

563 Ambassador Stevens could not be reached for comment on the matter.

Actually, to be honest, I blame Obama much more than Hillary for the Benghazi fiasco.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:52 PM (uAvJJ)

564
Again. Trump > Hillary, but he's a piece of shit.
Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:51 PM (Y3C5w)
***
Could you try to explain that to some of the Horde? 'Cause they just don't seem to get it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:52 PM (lutOX)

565 Could you try to explain that to some of the Horde? 'Cause they just don't seem to get it.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:52 PM (lutOX)

What? That he's a piece of shit? Gladly!

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:53 PM (Y3C5w)

566 Actually, to be honest, I blame Obama much more than Hillary for the Benghazi fiasco.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:52 PM (uAvJJ)
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hey, that's great.....

But, somehow, it's not enough to stop you voting against the only candidate who will replace Barry's enabler.

I envy you, truly, I do. I wish I had such refined ethics, so keen a sense of politics.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:54 PM (lutOX)

567 Some people don't take lightly to having their property effectively stolen from them. Vera Coking IS the "little person" that people like Trump are now claiming to want to represent.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:33 PM (uAvJJ)


Not "stolen". Bought at or better than fair market value. If one lets their sentimental attachment to a patch of land get the better of their business sense, more fool they.


Such conflicts over land tenure are inevitable in crowded cities. That's why you have eminent domain laws. Trump tried to use the legal system to advance his interests, and lost. End of story. Why is this a problem to you?


If the silly woman had accepted his initial offer, she'd have come away a big winner.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:55 PM (KfsMv)

568 Okay, you're afraid - I get that and have for a long time.

Which frightens you worse? Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:46 PM (lutOX)
I honestly cannot say.
Yes Hillary's actions have resulted in much more destructive results. But I am not convinced that it is because she is a more evil person. I think it is instead because she has had a greater opportunity to exercise her corruption. I think both of them start from a corrupted soul and won't hesitate to use the levers of power to enrich themselves or their own interests.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:56 PM (uAvJJ)

569 Such conflicts over land tenure are inevitable in crowded cities. That's why you have eminent domain laws. Trump tried to use the legal system to advance his interests, and lost. End of story. Why is this a problem to you?


If the silly woman had accepted his initial offer, she'd have come away a big winner.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:55 PM (KfsMv)

Yes, well the problem comes when cronyists use the aegis of "greater good" to get their own way.

PIECE. OF. SHIT. Just a smaller one than Hillary.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:56 PM (Y3C5w)

570 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:55 PM (KfsMv)
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Quiet, you alt-right supporter of the Trumpenfuhrer!

Have some respect for your betters....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:57 PM (lutOX)

571 Quiet, you alt-right supporter of the Trumpenfuhrer!

Have some respect for your betters....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 02:57 PM (lutOX)

I actually find this rationale troubling. Take the governments offer and you're a "winner"? "You're going to be successful whether you like it or not". "You're getting free healthcare now, winger!"

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:59 PM (Y3C5w)

572 And the silly bint died broke. She should have taken Trump's initial, quite generous, offer, and run.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 02:47 PM (KfsMv)
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This is one of the reasons Trump is so scary. No matter what Trump does if he reaches office, people will say stuff like this.

In America, you don't have to sacrifice your home to a rich man who demands it, even if some random people on the internet thinks the offer was quite reasonable.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 03:00 PM (mFkVC)

573 Yes, well the problem comes when cronyists use the aegis of "greater good" to get their own way.

PIECE. OF. SHIT. Just a smaller one than Hillary.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 02:56 PM (Y3C5w)


Point is: he used the court system, and he lost. And didn't pout about it. Went on to do better things. Maybe there's a lesson in that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:00 PM (KfsMv)

574 I think it is instead because she has had a greater
opportunity to exercise her corruption. I think both of them start from
a corrupted soul and won't hesitate to use the levers of power to
enrich themselves or their own interests.


Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 02:56 PM (uAvJJ)

Exactly.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 03:01 PM (aRUb8)

575 Trump tried to use the legal system to advance his interests, and lost. End of story. Why is this a problem to you?



1. As I mentioned, when Coking turned down Trump's offer, what did Trump do? He immediately ran to the local government to try to get the state to *seize the land* - for his benefit - and all of this was before the Kelo decision! He could do that because he was a member of the rich, powerful and connected class in Atlantic City and could bend government to serve his will. Do I really need to spell out how that ought to be regarded as a bad thing?


2. If Hillary had tried to do the same thing, no one here would be dismissing or shrugging it off. It would be rightly characterized as an abuse of power. This is a double standard that the pro-Trump folks seem to have.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 03:01 PM (uAvJJ)

576 Point is: he used the court system, and he lost. And didn't pout about it. Went on to do better things. Maybe there's a lesson in that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:00 PM (KfsMv)

He does pout about a lot.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:01 PM (Y3C5w)

577 "Now his fanclub of Adult Babies and semi-right-wing (but kinda liberal) Social Justice Warriors are all pissing hot pathetic tears from their eyedicks."

This right here is everything!

Posted by: LegzzzAkimbo at May 27, 2016 03:01 PM (659DL)

578
Some people don't take lightly to having their property effectively stolen from them.


oh please Trump's initial offer was for substanially more than the property was worth.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:02 PM (lKyWE)

579 oh please Trump's initial offer was for substanially more than the property was worth.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:02 PM (lKyWE)

That shouldn't matter.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:03 PM (Y3C5w)

580 Alberta,

What's wrong with "classism" in this context? The argument I was responding to was talking about the social acceptability of Trump compared to other candidates. It's just being realistic about the social norms of your class. It doesn't even have to do with money. It's more acceptable for cops to be pro-Trump, but not for schoolteachers making the same amount. It's more acceptable for plumbers to be pro-Trump, but not for young accountants making the same amount.

That's just the way it is. I can and would defend any of Trump's positions if I agree with them, including ones that are very fringe and less "acceptable", by knowing how to repackage and correctly highlight certain angles of them to be audience-appropriate for whatever social class I'm speaking with. But Trump himself can't be repackaged or fixed, if you hold traditional middle-class norms about behaviour then he is repulsive to you, and there's nothing that can be done about that.

Aside from the social appearances, which is the argument I was replying to... on the substance of his policies, if he intends to benefit the industrial working class with policies such as gigantic import taxes that will reduce MY quality of life and spending power, why the hell should I stand in solidarity with THEM? I don't actually think tariffs will help them ultimately, but even if I thought Trump was right about that, he's actively working against my interests. That's my reality, and it makes a hell of a lot more sense for me to protect my economic position than to embrace the racial consciousness nonsense the alt-right is pitching.

Posted by: cjw at May 27, 2016 03:03 PM (onydf)

581 oh please Trump's initial offer was for substanially more than the property was worth.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:02 PM (lKyWE)
Actually, no. What an object is worth is what a willing buyer and seller are willing to agree to. Clearly the property was worth far more than what Trump was willing to pay, so much so that he had to try to use government to seize it for him.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 03:04 PM (uAvJJ)

582 And I mean "worth" in an economic sense only of course

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 03:05 PM (uAvJJ)

583 That shouldn't matter.
Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:03 PM (Y3C5w)
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Also, do we have anyone other then Trump's word for this?

In any case, once he began to use the power of the state against her, he lowered his offer to a fraction of her property's worth - because at that moment he was stronger, and that's how he uses strength.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 03:05 PM (mFkVC)

584 Hey, look, I get it: There are some among the Horde, impaired, it might be, by glue-sniffing, others by an overly-developed sense of their own morality and/or importance, who want to make damned sure that Golden Hair-Weasel doesn't enter the oval office, even if that means that Hillary does.

I get that. But I don't understand why.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 03:07 PM (lutOX)

585 And I repeat yet again:

If the Clintons had attempted to use the power of the government to seize property next to their Clinton Foundation offices in order to build a parking garage, absolutely no one here would shrug it off or dismiss it as "eh that's just business". It would be rightfully regarded as an abuse of power and that is how we ought to regard Trump's actions in the case of Vera Coking.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 03:07 PM (uAvJJ)

586
Trump's next step was NOT to go to court, but to go to the local development authority and use THEM to try to *seize* the land via eminent domain.


Because you can't go to court and force someone to sell their house.Trump was promised by the city that the property he needed for the project would be available when he entered into the contract.What was he supposed to do?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:07 PM (lKyWE)

587 584 Hey, look, I get it: There are some among the Horde, impaired, it might be, by glue-sniffing, others by an overly-developed sense of their own morality and/or importance, who want to make damned sure that Golden Hair-Weasel doesn't enter the oval office, even if that means that Hillary does.

I get that. But I don't understand why.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 03:07 PM (lutOX)

I want people to know that I think he's a PIECE OF SHIT.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:08 PM (Y3C5w)

588 Because you can't go to court and force someone to sell their house.Trump was promised by the city that the property he needed for the project would be available when he entered into the contract.What was he supposed to do?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:07 PM (lKyWE)

"Why would I want to cut Social Security? I've been paying into it my whole life".

He buys into the corrupt system.

He's a statist. More tolerable than Hillary, but still a statist.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:10 PM (Y3C5w)

589
Actually, no. What an object is worth is what a willing buyer and seller are willing to agree


Ah no,property has an assesed value for tax purposes

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:10 PM (lKyWE)

590 In America, you don't have to sacrifice your home to a rich man who demands it, even if some random people on the internet thinks the offer was quite reasonable.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 03:00 PM (mFkVC)


Do you own a home? In America? Do you consider it an investment? Most people do. In which case, if a wealthy entrepreneur comes along, out of the blue, with a development plan, and offers fair market value, or better for your home, why would you not sell, and realize the value of your investment?


Dicker for more money? Sure, that's only expected. But in the end, the smart thing to do is sell, and go buy someplace else, and maybe pocket some of the difference. Refusing to sell, whether out of sentimental attachment, or simple greed, is a mug's game. Because if that development project goes ahead anyway, it's going to change the character of the neighborhood, and not necessarily in a good way for your property value.


I own a home in Canada, and a winter place in Arizona. Either one, if approached by a developer with an offer, I'd negotiate the best price I could get, and sell. Because I'm not a damned fool.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:10 PM (KfsMv)

591 Ah no,property has an assesed value for tax purposes
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:10 PM (lKyWE)

I'm sure that's above board. Granted, it's usually inflated...

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:11 PM (Y3C5w)

592 I own a home in Canada, and a winter place in Arizona. Either one, if approached by a developer with an offer, I'd negotiate the best price I could get, and sell. Because I'm not a damned fool.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:10 PM (KfsMv)

You can choose the Bronze, Silver, or Gold plan, but you need to buy into it!

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:12 PM (Y3C5w)

593 Is Omni winning the Internet Tough Guy Olympics today? He sounds sooper tuff...

Posted by: Afroman at May 27, 2016 03:17 PM (sfQqu)

594 You can choose the Bronze, Silver, or Gold plan, but you need to buy into it!

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:12 PM (Y3C5w)


And there's the difference. Obamacare is a shit sandwich that you are forced to eat. Vera Coking prepared her own and ate it. And she could have eaten Trump steaks, instead.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:17 PM (KfsMv)

595 584 Hey, look, I get it: There are some among the Horde, impaired, it might be, by glue-sniffing, others by an overly-developed sense of their own morality and/or importance, who want to make damned sure that Golden Hair-Weasel doesn't enter the oval office, even if that means that Hillary does.

I get that. But I don't understand why.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 27, 2016 03:07 PM (lutOX)

Nope. Don't want either Hill or Trump in the oval office; not voting for either. Why don't you understand that? As far as I can tell voters are still allowed to vote for someone else other than those two.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at May 27, 2016 03:19 PM (B11vO)

596 And there's the difference. Obamacare is a shit sandwich that you are forced to eat. Vera Coking prepared her own and ate it. And she could have eaten Trump steaks, instead.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:17 PM (KfsMv)

She would've been forced to eat Trump steaks. Well done, no doubt. That's not right.

Posted by: National Tontine (West Town) at May 27, 2016 03:20 PM (Y3C5w)

597 Maybe it is just time for a thorough review of Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer".

Perhaps with a tie-in to the chapters on the press in James Fenimore Cooper's "The American Democrat" to help us relate to the media a bit better.

Posted by: Sam at May 27, 2016 03:20 PM (x15d2)

598 Vera Coking prepared her own and ate it. And she could have eaten Trump steaks, instead.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:17 PM (KfsMv)

She had her house up for sale??

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 03:22 PM (aRUb8)

599
Clearly the property was worth far more than what Trump was willing to pay, so much so that he had to try to use government to seize it for him.

First off what is clear about it? Cooking bought the house for 20,000 in 1960 and intended to use it as a summer retreat.In 1970's Bob Guccione offered her 1 million dollars for the property so he could build his hotel casino.1 million dollars for and old house in NJ in the 1970's was a spectacular offer

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:22 PM (lKyWE)

600 I own a home in Canada, and a winter place in Arizona. Either one, if approached by a developer with an offer, I'd negotiate the best price I could get, and sell. Because I'm not a damned fool.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 03:10 PM (KfsMv)
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Yeah, you have that CHOICE. And, if for whatever reason - sentiment, perhaps - you don't want to sell, you should also have that choice.

This is an odd debate. I didn't think any conservatives endorsed letting the government seize property. This really feels like there is nothing Trump can do that some people won't defend.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 03:25 PM (mFkVC)

601 She had her house up for sale??
Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 03:22 PM (aRUb
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This doesn't even matter. Even if her house was nominally for sale, she is still under no obligation to accept any offer, no matter how 'generous' it might be.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 03:26 PM (mFkVC)

602 AOP is just engaging in burden-shifting.

Instead of Trump having to justify why he thought it was right to try to use government to seize an old lady's house, AOP thinks Vera Coking should have to justify why she didn't sell on "generous" terms. It is just a rhetorical gimmick. When it comes to rights, particularly property rights, the burden of proof lies with those who want to deprive those rights, not on those who have the rights on why they want to exercise their rights.

Actually, that is something the left tries to do all the time, particularly with gun rights. They try to do the burden-shifting game too, so instead of the argument being about why they think they are justified in taking away gun rights, they want to turn the tables and make the argument about why gun owners "need" those scary-looking rifles.

It's the same sort of tactic being employed here.

Vera Coking doesn't need to justify why she didn't sell.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 03:31 PM (uAvJJ)

603 And now I am going to go off and listen to the podcast, so talk to you later.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 03:33 PM (uAvJJ)

604
This doesn't even matter. Even if her house was nominally for sale, she is still under no obligation to accept any offer, no matter how 'generous' it might be.


True, and the city had the right to sieze it under eminent domain because the project meant hundreds of jobs and millions in tax revenues for an area that was blighted and suffering from the effect of the economic failure of the 1970's.It was for the public good and the old bitch was holding it at up

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:36 PM (lKyWE)

605 Trump merely used the law in effect regarding the property. If you have a problem with eminent domain, chemjeff, take it up with those who implemented and upheld the law, not those who have used it.

Posted by: Afroman at May 27, 2016 03:37 PM (sfQqu)

606 It was for the public good and the old bitch was holding it at up
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:36 PM (lKyWE)
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Justifying government violation of individual rights in the name of the 'public good' - that's about as anti-Conservative as it is possible to get.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 03:39 PM (mFkVC)

607
Justifying government violation of individual rights in the name of the 'public good' - that's about as anti-Conservative as it is possible to get.


lol,okay

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 27, 2016 03:40 PM (lKyWE)

608 Ace, in a general sense I agree with everything you said here, but I think your focus on Rubio supporters with this argument is squandering an important argument that needs to be made to the entirety of the right, just to complain about the people annoying you most on Twitter.

The political divide in the Republican party is hardly unique to the Republican party. We've always known that minority groups like blacks and Hispanics, who vote strongly or overwhelmingly Democratic, don't remotely agree with the Democratic party on social issues like gay marriage and religion. We just never paid it much mind, because it wasn't causing rifts that threatened the party in elections (though it did cause minor, politically inconsequential rifts, like we saw after Prop 8 in California, or when comedians like Tracy Morgan get in trouble with the media). This gets ignored across almost all groups of political thinkers.

I apparently have quite a lot I want to say on this subject of the divide between political perspectives and reality, but I'll end this here and make the rest of my thoughts their own post.

Posted by: reform highlander at May 27, 2016 04:07 PM (jCH/T)

609 Hillary and Obama stood in front of four coffinsand lied.

Trump wouldn't have been anywhere near those coffins. If he doesn't like" people who get captured," he probably really doesn't like people who get killed.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 27, 2016 04:08 PM (r7MZp)

610 Elaborating (quite a lot) on my previous comment, I would bet the same sort of elite vs. base rift exists within Trump's primary support. You obviously have paleo-conservative thinkers and border hawks promoting him online, the articulate ones at places like TakiMag are certainly among the elite in the general public as much as among Trump's support. But you also have just triumphalist Team Right-Wing sports-type fandom, where backwards hat-wearing white males switch from aggressively supporting Ron Paul on the internet to aggressively supporting Donald Trump on the internet, without any intellectual awakening between these two points. They just want a larger than life, anti-status quo right-wing figure they can rally behind. This one probably accounts for much of the army of Trump trolls in comment sections, who almost universally argue entirely by means of swingin' dick triumphalism, and never earnest persuasion.

There's also tons of people who find politics generally boring, have very little in the way of ideology, and are just excited by being able to vote the boring people off the house. Acknowledging this group as a likely voting bloc in some elections helps explain why solid liberal, Stuff White People Like Minnesota elected a flamboyant conspiracy theorist wrestler as governor with no discernible liberal political ideology, and while I think there's still a lot of wiggle room for interpretation in the data we have, my sense is that it explains most of Trump's support, more accurately than theories about poor white working class and renewed emphasis on immigration reform in the party.

We've seen a lot of intellectual-y minded people on the left, like Dave Rubin and Freddie De Boer, sort of wake up to what their coalition really looks like in the wake of recent social justice insanity (and I think we can all appreciate when guys like that push back out of principal). This isn't unique to us. we all build false models of reality based on what we currently know, we'd have no incentive to vote for any candidate if we didn't, except maybe to vote out an incumbent. None of us assumed Bush would be the biggest spending president in history at the time of his term in office, because we all had false models of what his presidency would be like. It's not fair to expect people who believed in Rubio to re-adapt their models as fast as those of us who wanted them to drop him for Cruz in the first place, we were incentivized to see his faults, but doesn't mean they won't come around to reality (though probably not to Rubio hate, if this walk-back on Trump story doesn't do it for them) by the time the election is over, and people's emotional state reverts to normal.

I also think saying a particular model is false because of a single instance of failure is often too bold a claim to defend. None of us who thought Trump had a hard ceiling he couldn't surpass in the primaries can really complain about the wishful thinking of Rubio people about primary results. Most of us are too lazy to look at and analyze hard data. I work in STEM and I'm too intellectually lazy for it (and even those who aren't, like Nate Silver, often thought Rubio was a sure thing). Anything we could've learned or predicted about the 2016 primaries in the superior alternate universe where Trump is a paraplegic invalid hooked up to a catheter and never ran for president, is now lost forever. We can probably assume it would've wound up as a competitive Cruz vs. Rubio race with Kasich sort of hanging in there, we can pretty much certainly assume most who voted for Trump would've found some other candidate, blissfully unaware of what could have been, and maybe just waited to vote in the general. But I think our expectations of who was viable in a normal primary or in the general and why they would be are all massively inaccurate.

The abandonment of neo-conservatism is another example of the right coming to a conclusion for reasons that are sort of tangential to the actual debate of the issue. If Hillary had won the '08 primary, and then the general, and let's suppose for the sake of argument she plays it pretty centrist for at least her first term (which, she pretty much did with her time in the senate). Certainly she was more dependent on blue collar white voters than Obama was. She represents the status quo to most people, she doesn't have the aura of a revolutionary change agent that made the left energized by Obama and the right terrified. She doesn't upset any assumptions about a predictable American electorate, and she's far less personally likable than Obama for most people, so she's a weaker opponent for Romney in 2012. Out of playing it cautious with the assumption of a center-right, post-9/11 America, she basically continues the Bush foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan quietly on the side, and for the sake of this argument does so without making the political judgments Obama has to make it look like he ended the war which muddled our foreign policy in the region. The media goes much more quiet on the subject with Bush out of office, as they did with Obama, so the war is increasingly out of mind for most of the public. Maybe the gay marriage issue is just as prominent even without the left being high on the aura of Hope and Change, but with Hillary being seen more in the vein of conventional Democrat politicians, we perceive this as maybe an inevitable shift but just a blip in the continuation of the status quo, which came about less because of a leftward shift in the public and maybe instead as a response to the AIDS crisis in the 80s, or the popularity of socially liberal shows like Friends and Seinfeld, or who knows what, and not of a radical repudiation of the Bush administration that drove the country left. In this scenario it's a lot easier to see the last 8 years along the lines of conventional American politics. Ignoring the over-stated proclamations of key neo-con figures during the first Bush term, do we still see neo-conservatism as disastrous in that scenario, with the foreign policy being more or less the same but the domestic political situation still basically in 2004-mode? Maybe democratizing the Mid East is a project we get bored with during long gaps between highly publicized terrorist attacks, but was the disaster here the policy (which can presumably be refined over time), or was the disaster that we perceive it as electoral poison that gave us Obama and the social justice warriors, and alienated us among Millennials? Maybe we see it as both, but that needs to be articulated when we discuss it going forward.

My point isn't to rehabilitate neo-conservatism, since I'm still thinking through that one myself. My actual point is that I want to see the right actually thinking things through before jumping to flippant conclusions, often flattering of their personal niche on the right. If we can't at least get that out of the series of recent shocks to conservative assumptions about America, then our movement is just a bunch of shrieking hysterics spinning partisan, self-flattering fantasies (and sure, the educated elites of the party should theoretically be more immune to this, but come on, we've all done it). I see many on the right talk about how they've dropped neo-conservatism in the same way they talk about how they dropped their paleo-diet or something, and not offering up much in the way of intellectual thoughts to share with people like me who are still working through the internal conflict on it (or showing much remorse about actively promoting an apparently pointless war because they were just kinda in a pissy mood at the time about the towel-heads).

I think the conservative movement is currently sitting on a heaping pile of sometimes reasonable and sometimes completely myopic but rarely rigorously substantiated assumptions about so many topics important to our future: neoconservativism; the nature of the perceived left-ward shift of the country symbolized by the rise of Obama, gay marriage, and abandonment of religious belief; whether or not recent culture and demographic shifts are the organic result of changes to society caused by neutral things like technology or is it because of the advocacy of university faculty, mainstream media, and the Democratic party; to what extent Millennials voting Democrat is a result of political naivete that they will overcome naturally or can be talked out of; to what extent could our gap with Millennials be fixed by modest political policies that incentivize them towards marriage, having kids, home ownership, entrepreneurship, and similar cultural factors that correlate with conservative politics; whether the rise of Trump is caused almost entirely by his celebrity and the fractured state of the primary; whether maybe there were always tons of people who liked Trump but because of perceived social expectations voted for normal guys until they found out by serendipity that tons of others like him; whether there's a genuine cultural shift in Republican voting demographics that made Trump possible; whether Trump supporters really are just reacting in a panicked manner to the current political situation; whether the takeover of the Republican party by strongman nationalism is desired by the base or coincidental to a more innocent reason for desiring a Trump presidency (the former is what I see from Trump support on the internet, the latter from people in the real world, though I have much more limited experience with open Trump supporters in the real world); can or should neo-conservatism be salvaged, and if not what kind of policy toward the Middle East and national defense should conservatives be taking up; what should our reaction to a future 9/11-type even be; if the Republican party becomes an identity politics party is there really enough of a base for that either; should we even still be a single cohesive party; is a multi-party system where America was inevitably headed, in a culture now balkanized by the internet and our party is just the first crack-up in this inevitable evolution; etc.

We've all been shown to be a bunch of no-nothings by recent events. We can't just segue from that point to defending the first default rationale we've used to explain why we were wrong the first time. I would argue that the NR-reading faction of the Republican party is doing more of this introspection than others, and I think they can be forgiven for some degree of lazy rationalizations of the sort we're all guilty of, especially in an emotional election season (I didn't feel compelled to frequently type massive essays in comments sections before this primary season, we're all in a weird place). Intellectually minded right-wingers on the anti-Rubio side often muddle the distinction between the GOPe careerists like McConnell and Boehner, and conservative writers who, for as much as they live and breath politics, are generally ambivalent and disinterested in the internal civil war between the McConnell and Cruz factions (which they took to be a minor thing to the extent they noticed it), and happily support people of either faction, and I would say this ambivalence is the case with most of the NR types. I listen to Goldberg and Podhoretz's podcast, they never get into the in the weeds, wonkish internals of the legislature stuff talked about frequently on the AoSHQ podcast. I don't think they pay much attention to it (I didn't until I started listening to the Acecast). They were genuinely shocked about Boehner's hatred for Cruz and preference for Trump. I bring this up to point out that none of us are looking sincerely at how others are seeing things differently from us. Not saying that as a hippy moral sentiment, but in that others' perspective is a piece of knowledge that's pretty damn useful when trying to bring them to your point of view, which we need to do in mass to win elections. And we need to be careful not to just make up who we think those people are in our minds ( http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ ). Conservatives seem to just react to the immediate news cycle. That's not reality, and to the extent that reality mirrors it, it won't stay that way for long. Nothing any conservative, of whatever faction of the right, is saying between right now and November that doesn't end in a question mark is not worth your consideration, and a lot more of us need to take that notion to heart.

Posted by: reform highlander at May 27, 2016 04:38 PM (jCH/T)

611 Posted by: reform highlander at May 27, 2016 04:38 PM (jCH/T)

So Trump sucks eh? I agree.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 05:02 PM (aRUb8)

612 Hands down you are now the most delusional person on the Right. Little Green Aceballs.

Posted by: Oldshoe at May 27, 2016 05:06 PM (N0yCp)

613 612
Hands down you are now the most delusional person on the Right. Little Green Aceballs.

Posted by: Oldshoe at May 27, 2016 05:06 PM (N0yCp)

How so?

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 05:20 PM (aRUb8)

614 Trump backs down from the debate with Sanders the debate HE wanted. "The One" is scared of a one on one with a delusional communist. Yeah...he's good...reeeeeal good. He's like Jefferson. Someone should build a statue of him in a posture of determined resolve. Maybe a scowl on his face and a stallion rearing up on it's hind legs.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 05:25 PM (aRUb8)

615 If people want to craft a process by which they feel obligated to vote for Candidate A because Candidate B is inconceivably unacceptable to them, ok.

I'm not doing that any more because that style of thought is what drives the entirety of the current GOP. 'We will crap all over all the good candidates', they plan, 'and after we get done tearing down all the people you'd be proud to vote for, you'll just vote for the one that's left.'

Nope. No thanks. This isn't Never Trump, or #nevertrump, or any of that bullshit. It's 'I'm never going to vote for a person I do not positively support for public office'. Not for President, not for Senate, not for state office, not for dogcatcher.

I am 100% done playing the game where I let people dictate how I should vote by giving me two choices: shitty and really shitty, and then trying to infer that if I don't pick shitty I'm failing the country.

I completely understand the rationale behind 'but what if real shitty wins? Disaster!' Believe me, I do. I suppose I think that people may just need to get what they vote for, good and hard, for quite a while. Maybe if we have shitty after shitty after shitty in the Oval, people will start looking for non-shitty alternatives.

This could be wishful thinking.

Either way, I'm not going to vote for someone who I think would be bad at the job.

Posted by: Middle aged Dad at May 27, 2016 06:21 PM (LyzdC)

616 I'm not doing that any more because that style of thought is what drives
the entirety of the current GOP. 'We will crap all over all the good
candidates', they plan, 'and after we get done tearing down all the
people you'd be proud to vote for, you'll just vote for the one that's
left.'

Exactly. What did the GOP do to help Cruz? Nothing. They tore him down every possible way. You don't need my vote?..fuck you. I'll vote local and state here in Wisconsin.....Ryan?...fuck you. Done with the "You have to vote for the lesser of two evil, insider, self centered, political , career pustules." It's difficult for me to believe that Trump is any different. Fuck him and fuck you......is what some people might say. I would never say anything like that though.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 06:46 PM (aRUb8)

617 I was a Cruz, not a Rubio supporter. But I always respected Rubio and would have been very comfortable supporting him. Glad he's shown himself to be a fraud.

And yes, though I'd have followed Cruz to the gates of hell....if he buckles and supports Drumpf, he'll be dead to me as well.

#NEVERTRUMP
#NEVERHILLARY

Posted by: Don at May 28, 2016 12:38 AM (p3K1n)

618 "Now his fanclub of Adult Babies and semi-right-wing (but kinda liberal) Social Justice Warriors are all pissing hot pathetic tears from their eyedicks."


Ace has a way with words I can only wish to someday emulate.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 28, 2016 02:28 AM (XwTyM)

619 As a public office holder, I'll say it:

I don't vote for con-men who know less about civics than the average middle-schooler, who flip-flops more than John Kerry, and who lies more than Hillary Clinton.

Furthermore, I hope Trump fails.
And I hope he does it in humiliating fashion.

Posted by: DRayRaven at May 29, 2016 02:53 PM (Qc2Pk)

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