AoSHQ Podcast #143: Ben Shapiro

Ace and The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro tread all the ground between #NeverTrump and #HillaryYouGoGirl.

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1 I read the content.

Posted by: johnd01 at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (ukNFU)

2 ...and, First!

Posted by: johnd01 at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (ukNFU)

3 I'll get The Others.

Posted by: johnd01 at May 27, 2016 01:07 PM (ukNFU)

4

I like this format.
One on one.
Worked really well.
Great discussion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:08 PM (qCMvj)

5

Can we leave the Trump shit down below, and talk about guns kittens, boobs and POTUS having the Big One?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 01:08 PM (KId5h)

6 For a complete LOL - "If meat-eaters acted like vegans"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8

Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2016 01:09 PM (NOIQH)

7 Farewell to arms!

//Starring Ben Shapiro and Michelle Fields

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:10 PM (g8Hfr)

8 Ace you sound nothing like you did in Return of the Jedi....

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)

9 Can we leave the Trump shit down below, and talk about guns kittens, boobs and POTUS having the Big One?
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 01:08 PM (KId5h)

lol, the podcast is 90% Trump?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (qCMvj)

10 Ace you sound nothing like you did in Return of the Jedi....
Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)

or The Thick of It

He lost his accent.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (qCMvj)

11 9 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:12 PM (qCMvj)

Yeah avoiding Duh Donald in a podcast with one of the most rabid NO NON NO NEIN NYET NTs is "hard"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (g8Hfr)

12 Can we leave the Trump shit down below, and talk about guns kittens, boobs and POTUS having the Big One?

Sure. Buy as many guns as you can and as much ammo as you can. You're gonna need it.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (EdhH3)

13 10 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:13 PM (qCMvj)

Quite.

#KeepFurryDiversity

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (g8Hfr)

14 Yes,the podcast is all Trump but this thread doesn't have to be.

Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (B48dK)

15 Are we going to have a recipes thread this weekend? What's everyone eating, grilling?

Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (IZFV4)

16 Farewell to arms!

//Starring Ben Shapiro and Michelle Fields
Posted by: sven10077

Well rip my arm off and beat me senseless!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (EdhH3)

17 They're still going at it downstairs. Oy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2016 01:16 PM (LA7Cm)

18 Anyone going anywhere fabulous? I'm getting some hiking and biking in.

Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:16 PM (IZFV4)

19 Ben Shapiro "I hate Grammy H but her targeted murder of every bulwark of my ideals is better than Trump uh making it so no one can ever disagree with him again"

Ben let me ask you IS CONSERVATISM better off after 8 years of Obama?

If fucking moonbat governance aided Conservatism's popularity we'd be electing Zombie Coolidge.

We aren't we are on the precipice of electing a socialist or a communist.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:17 PM (g8Hfr)

20 Are we going to have a recipes thread this weekend? What's everyone eating, grilling?

Brisket and ribs in the new electric smoker from Sam's.
Masterbuilt with bluetooth. Adjust temp from barcolounger.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:17 PM (EdhH3)

21 Here's an intellectual puzzle. Okay two.

If each individual vote carries no weight, then how is it that any candidate is ever elected? After all 0 + 0 = 0.

Corollary.

If not voting for Trump = a vote for Hillary, then why is it not also that not voting for Hillary = a vote for Trump?

I'll just be over there taking Venn lessons from Hillary's communication team.

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

22 Farewell to arms!

//Starring Ben Shapiro and Michelle Fields

Posted by: sven10077

Well rip my arm off and beat me senseless!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM

He always was an 'armless fellow.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 27, 2016 01:17 PM (bzd8I)

23 >>>Are we going to have a recipes thread this weekend? What's everyone eating, grilling?

anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything? I kinda want one.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (dciA+)

24 "Anyone going anywhere fabulous?"

Headed back to the ranch this weekend. Supposed to be a clear, sunny couple of days. May try a little fishing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (LA7Cm)

25 We are going to go up to Ulm to look at land.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 01:19 PM (g8Hfr)

26 ace, the wicker wood looking ones?

Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:19 PM (IZFV4)

27 Well rip my arm off and beat me senseless!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM

He always was an 'armless fellow.

No Michelle Fields sock? Either of you?

*scribbles in notebook*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (1xUj/)

28 What kind of accent does Ace have? The Brooklyn Bernie accent or the Stuart Varney British accent?

Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (a0IVu)

29 Brisket and ribs in the new electric smoker from Sam's.
Masterbuilt with bluetooth. Adjust temp from barcolounger.
Posted by: rickb223
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Bluetooth. I'm jealous. My new one is just a manual one.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (VndSC)

30 He always was an 'armless fellow.
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We're hiring!

Posted by: huffpoo at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (PLnZs)

31 Anyone going anywhere fabulous? I'm getting some hiking and biking in.
Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:16 PM (IZFV4)

My deck, in the sun.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (qCMvj)

32 On the precipice of a codpiece.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (k4M/B)

33 If not voting for Trump = a vote for Hillary, then why is it not also that not voting for Hillary = a vote for Trump?

Vote fraud.

They do it. We don't.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM (EdhH3)

34 "anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything?"

I actually have one of those somewhere. Haven't seen it a while though.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (LA7Cm)

35 >>>
Corollary.

If not voting for Trump = a vote for Hillary, then why is it not also that not voting for Hillary = a vote for Trump?

...

i honestly don't care if anyone votes. I'm probably not voting, just because I don't feel like it (and it probably wouldn't matter anyway).

But I do think it's silly for major (and minor) rightwing outlets to peddle the fiction to people that a third term of Obama would be just swell.

I hate Obama. I hate the past 7 1/2 awful years. I think it's silly to claim "Oh I want more of that, because then in 2020 or 2024 we'll come *roaring* back!"

I didn't like that claim when it was peddled by the "TrueCon" types who didn't want to vote for Romney and I don't think it sounds any better from the #NeverTrumpers now.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (dciA+)

36 >>I'll just be over there taking Venn lessons from Hillary's communication team.

*snort*

Quick: a Venn diagram of Hillary voters who thought the 'man enough for Hillary' dude was hot AND those who rail against words like "bossy" and "run like a girl."

Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (NOIQH)

37 No Michelle Fields sock? Either of you?

*scribbles in notebook*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:20 PM

*hangs head in shame*

I have failed the Horde.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (bzd8I)

38 "We are going to go up to Ulm to look at land."

What kind?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (LA7Cm)

39 It was allowed. Approved. Signed -off on. Enough about these email thingies - let's drink! Memmmoriallll Dayyyyyayyy!

Posted by: Hillary 2016! at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (gwG9s)

40 Bluetooth. I'm jealous. My new one is just a manual one.

Sam's had them for $325. Choctaw casino was good to me one weekend. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (EdhH3)

41 I like Ben Shapiro.

I like Milo.

I know they no longer like each other.

But although I don't agree with either of them on everything, I have to tip my hat to anybody brave enough to walk into the Leftist lion's dens to talk truth despite being threatened and screamed at by a pack of psychotic overgrown children.

So a tip of the hat to Shapiro, to Milo, to Crowder, to Christina Hoff-Sommers ....I honestly don't believe I'd have the guts to do it.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (u0lmX)

42 >>> ace, the wicker wood looking ones?

yeah.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (dciA+)

43 >>>"anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything?"

OK, now you're making me hungry. Google "Shooters Sandwich" for an old fashioned English picnic staple.

Posted by: Max Power at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (q177U)

44 Living in California, I can not vote and it won't matter.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (dULJN)

45 alex, are you voting for gov in the nc shitshow?

Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (IZFV4)

46 Are we going to have a recipes thread this weekend? What's everyone eating, grilling?
Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:15 PM (IZFV4)

Haven't planned yet, but did buy some chips today.

This week I changed up my chocolate chip recipe by adding pecans instead of walnuts, and mixing dark and semi-sweet chocolate, with chunks of Lindt white chocolate. Delicious. My new GoTo chocochip recipe.

I make a batch, and freeze the balls for later baking. Worth it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (qCMvj)

47 Anyone going anywhere fabulous?

Yes; I'm going to church and we're having a baptism of a dear little boy in the place where five generations of his family have been baptized. :^)

Enjoy your hike.!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (rmw+9)

48 I actually like the process of voting - standing in line, going to the booth, making my choices..its such a privilege for me, even if my vote does not matter as far as CA goes.

Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (a0IVu)

49 anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything? I kinda want one.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (dciA+)

We had one of those when I was a kid and it was great.

In other news, this is completely awesome.

Dr. Heimlich (who is still alive) just saved someone with the him maneuver.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36400365

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (mf5HN)

50 Ah, yard work and overtime for me this weekend, although my wife is dragging me to her friend's barbecue, which will consist of women chatting and men drinking beer and most certainly not chatting.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (PjWy4)

51 I make a batch, and freeze the balls for later baking. Worth it.
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Nice hint, to prevent sweating in a hot kitchen.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (VndSC)

52 Wasn't here for the last threat... so while I appreciate Mario's adultness, it doesn't change the fact that I believe he is part of the problem.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (TOk1P)

53

Living in California, I can not vote and it won't matter.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (dULJN)

still should vote for the other slots, including judges

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (qCMvj)

54 51 I make a batch, and freeze the balls for later baking. Worth it.
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Nice hint, to prevent sweating in a hot kitchen.
Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (VndSC)

Frozen balls tend to do that.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:25 PM (EdhH3)

55 >>> ace, the wicker wood looking ones?

yeah.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM

I have one somewhere. They're fun for high end picnics/tailgates.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 27, 2016 01:25 PM (bzd8I)

56 anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything? I kinda want one.
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (dciA+)

a date?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:26 PM (qCMvj)

57 Wasn't here for the last threat...
Very interestinkk.

Posted by: zombie sigmund freud at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (PLnZs)

58 And to think that all along I've thought that Ben Shapiro was smart.

Sill me.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (4ng05)

59 I kinda thought the Man Enough For Hillary guy was cute.

Posted by: rapey bear at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (pVyaq)

60 Panniers,picnic baskets?You carry a man purse too don't you ace?

Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (B48dK)

61 Paging Ben: What part of amnesty and demography do you not understand under the reign of the Red Queen?

Posted by: mike191 at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (XKC1/)

62 I listened to the podcast. I didn't think Shapiro made a good case.

He kept conflating the GOP and the conservative movement. The GOP is barely right-center and definitely isn't beholden to conservatives. If Trump, who isn't conservative wins, how does that damage the current situation? It doesn't. Hillary winning is much worse in actual results.

Second, he's basically surrendered on the Federal gov't and is down to states pushing back. If this is the case, then why does Trump winning hurt conservatives? Trumps less likely to push the nonsense Hillary is going to push. And if conservatives have surrendered on the Fed, maybe they need to rethink why they lost.

When ace asked him about conservatives rethinking some of there stances and getting away from stock answers, he went into how in 2013 conservatives had already discussed on neo-con beliefs were dead. However, when discussing Trumps foreign policy, he simply sounded off neo-con shibboleths. Trump is an isolationist. He doesn't want to be in NATO, S. Korea, Japan, etc. He simply highlighted what ace had pointed out earlier. The GOPe conservatives are stuck in a loop and can't get out.

Again, not impressed by his arguments.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (Ee2nz)

63 What I have a taste for right now is not anything grilled, but my favorite summertime lunch when I was a kid - BLT's.

With homemade mayo and the thickcut bacon I can still get from the butcher my mom went to. He's about 110 years old and still running his little business, God bless him.

I hope I can find some good tomatoes..

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (u0lmX)

64 In other news, this is completely awesome.

Dr. Heimlich (who is still alive) just saved someone with the him maneuver.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36400365
Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity

Oh that is completely awesome!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (1xUj/)

65 alex, are you voting for gov in the nc shitshow?
Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (IZFV4)

Yes because I loathe Roy Cooper.

ace, I was just being snarky about the whole oh your vote doesn't matter and if you don't vote for Trump you are voting for Hillary!!111!!! stuff.

Also mainly mocking this:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733694076961329152/photo/1

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (mf5HN)

66 Wasn't here for the last threat...

Very interestinkk.

Posted by: zombie sigmund freud at May 27, 2016 01:27 PM (PLnZs)

I wish. Just from typing too fast.

Sometimes a typo is just a typo.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (TOk1P)

67 Ben as turned speaking out of both sides of his mouth into an art form.

As if the GOP in it's present form hasn't made conservativism virtually meaningless.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (4ng05)

68 So a tip of the hat to Shapiro, to Milo, to Crowder, to Christina Hoff-Sommers ....I honestly don't believe I'd have the guts to do it.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:22 PM (u0lmX)

I hope they invested in vests.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (qCMvj)

69 Sure. Buy as many guns as you can and as much ammo as you can. You're gonna need it.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:14 PM (EdhH3)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at May 27, 2016 01:30 PM (jxbfJ)

70 >>What I have a taste for right now is not anything grilled, but my favorite summertime lunch when I was a kid - BLT's.

Oooh, yes! Now I have to go get bacon...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2016 01:31 PM (NOIQH)

71 "anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything?"

--

I don't think I've seen one

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:31 PM (7lVbc)

72 In other news, this is completely awesome.

Dr. Heimlich (who is still alive) just saved someone with the him maneuver.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36400365

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity

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Oh that is completely awesome!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (1xUj/)

Eddie Izzard has a ROTF hilarious bit on Herr Doktor Heimlich and his manooooover.

Well worth googling, for those so inclined.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM (TOk1P)

73 which will consist of women chatting and men drinking beer and most certainly not chatting.
Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (PjWy4)

bring one of those lawn dart games

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM (qCMvj)

74 >>https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/733694076961329152/photo/1

Yeah, when you see something like that it reminds you just how dumb her people are. Maybe she hired media people from Vox?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM (NOIQH)

75 Sometimes a typo is just a typo.
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And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, good Austrian buddy! Yee-ha!

Posted by: bill clinton at May 27, 2016 01:33 PM (PLnZs)

76 Before Heimlich there was only the pounding on the back maneuver.Don't know who invented that one.

Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:33 PM (B48dK)

77
Before Heimlich there was only the pounding on the back maneuver.Don't know who invented that one.
Posted by: steevy

Ezra Pound

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (k4M/B)

78 Before Heimlich there was only the pounding on the back maneuver.Don't know who invented that one.
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:33 PM (B48dK)

Another man. When in doubt, hit it hard.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (Ee2nz)

79 Well,I have bacon but no lettuce or tomatoes.It is enough.

Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (B48dK)

80 Speaking of Shillary, where is her "man enough to vote for her" guy?
Did that little marketing fail fall off the face of the earth? I was hoping we could get a good 3-4 day of comedic gold off of that.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (jxbfJ)

81 And really, did Dr. Heimlich REALLY come across a situation where he had to use his maneuver, or was it more like Derek Jeter's final at bat, where it was staged, and they just laid one in there for him to hit?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (TOk1P)

82 Darn. We just lost a good MUMR comment.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (PLnZs)

83 73 which will consist of women chatting and men drinking beer and most certainly not chatting.
Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:24 PM (PjWy4)

bring one of those lawn dart games
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM (qCMvj)

Well, I guess that would liven up the coversations...[Chat chat chat] "INCOMING!!!"

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (PjWy4)

84 >>We had one of those when I was a kid and it was great.

We did too. Always felt that I was in an Audrey Hepburn movie when my folks would get that out for a picnic.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (/tuJf)

85 I listened to the podcast. I didn't think Shapiro made a good case.

Again, not impressed by his arguments.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 27, 2016 01:28 PM (Ee2nz)

Nope, he didn't nudge me a bit.
Ace made more convincing arguments, although when he said Ben was almost persuading him to his side I let out a silent scream. lol

Ben had no argument.

This is a two party system for good or for bad. We now have the GOP candidate.

Vote or don't vote.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (qCMvj)

86 When I was a kid a picnic was a bucket of KFC.No basket necessary.

Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (B48dK)

87 Before Heimlich there was only the pounding on the back maneuver.Don't know who invented that one.

Posted by: steevy

Ezra Pound

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2016 01:34 PM (k4M/B)

Somehow my method never became popular.

Posted by: Dr. Butts-Fuchs at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (TOk1P)

88 Ha,TSA is going to add 768 screeners by mid June to help with long lines.I'm sure they will hire the best and brightest.

Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:37 PM (B48dK)

89 What the hell exactly has the Republican Party been, Ben?

Holy shit. They've been pulling the wool over the American people's eyes for decades. Exactly like the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:37 PM (4ng05)

90 We did too. Always felt that I was in an Audrey Hepburn movie when my folks would get that out for a picnic.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (/tuJf)

unless it was an intimate picnic, there was never enough room in them for me, plus I need more cooler space than anything.

I have a zillion (not kidding) coolers of various sizes, and pack whichever one is needed at the time. Works better for me.

But, then again, Ace might be courting a lady.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:37 PM (qCMvj)

91 When I was a kid a picnic was a bucket of KFC.No basket necessary.
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (B48dK)

That was always fun. Good memory.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (qCMvj)

92

SO I WAS YIFFING PEDRO THE DONKEY AND A MIDGET MINNIE MOUSE, WHEN HITLERY COMES UP TO ME AND ASKS IF I WANNA GO ON A PICNIC WITH HER. WELL, I'VE GOT A WELL STOCKED BASKET, IYKWIM, SO I SAID SURE, FIGURING SHE WAS LOOKING FOR SOME HOT DUCK BILL ACTION.

NEXT THING I KNOW I'M TIED UP AND ABOUT TO BE HEAVED OFF A TALL BUILDING!

SHES LAUGHING MANICALLY ABOUT HOW I'M SOON GONNA BE A 'SPLATYPUS' BUT CHOKES ON HER UPPER PLATE AND PASSES OUT.

WHILE THE SECRET SERVICE DETAIL IS DOING 'ROCK PAPER SCISSORS' TO SEE WHO HAS TO DO MOUTH TO MOUTH ON HER I NIBBLE AWAY MY BONDS, PEE IN HER MOUTH AND ESCAPE!

NEVER, EVER GO ON A PICNIC WITH HITLERY!

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE FURRY PLATYPUS at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (KId5h)

93 anyone ever look at one of those cool picnic baskets with little leather loops to hold everything? I kinda want one.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:18 PM (dciA+)

The super fancy hampers that hold glass wine glasses and regular dinnerware and silverware and shit like cloth napkins and corkscrews?

I think of those and I imagine Victorians gathering on a well manicured lawn to nibble on strawberries and biscuits while watching a cricket match.

Unlike our family picnics, which were notable for lots of plastic bags and cups, paper plates and napkins blowing away, me getting a splinter in my ass from the picnic table, everyone swearing and shooing away flies and bees, the smell of Coppertone and Off! in the air..

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (u0lmX)

94 Well, I guess that would liven up the coversations...[Chat chat chat] "INCOMING!!!"
Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (PjWy4)

competition and beer are always fun together

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:39 PM (qCMvj)

95 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (qCMvj)

I would be happy if conservatives would as a starting point agree that some things that were good in the past have marginal or negative in the present. Therefore to keep doing them is not wise. We're conserving core institutions and beliefs, not policies.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 27, 2016 01:39 PM (Ee2nz)

96 Like this?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/gofrbrb

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:39 PM (7lVbc)

97 >>unless it was an intimate picnic, there was never enough room in them for me, plus I need more cooler space than anything.

It was more for show than go. It held all the plates, cutlery, napkins, condiments, etc.. We had a big ass cooler for the good stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:40 PM (/tuJf)

98 bring one of those lawn dart games
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM (qCMvj)

But real Jarts, not those new fangled safety tipped ones that won't put someone's eye and/or heart out.

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

99 tread all the ground between #NeverTrump and #HillaryYouGoGirl.
-----------------

*takes a stroll*
Hey... this is a freaking swamp!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2016 01:40 PM (9mTYi)

100 Here is the crux of my argument:

You cannot possibly dig a hole 200 trillion dollars deep without intentionally deceiving a whole hell of a lot of people.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:41 PM (4ng05)

101 Was it a 28" duck, MUMR?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 01:41 PM (PLnZs)

102 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:35 PM (qCMvj)

I would be happy if conservatives would as a starting point agree that some things that were good in the past have marginal or negative in the present. Therefore to keep doing them is not wise. We're conserving core institutions and beliefs, not policies.

Belief: The US is a country for its citizens
Policy: Immigration

Not the asinine, we are a country of immigrants pablum.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 27, 2016 01:41 PM (Ee2nz)

103 I think of those and I imagine Victorians gathering on a well manicured lawn to nibble on strawberries and biscuits ..

---

With thick cream!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2016 01:41 PM (9mTYi)

104 I'm going to church and we're having a baptism of a
dear little boy in the place where five generations of his family have
been baptized. :^)

Enjoy your hike.!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 27, 2016 01:23 PM (rmw+9)
============================================

The Great Debate:

http://bit.ly/1XWrhC5

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:42 PM (dFi94)

105 91 When I was a kid a picnic was a bucket of KFC.No basket necessary.

--

I love the smell of KFC but it never tastes as good as it smells.
Colonel Sanders is a liar!

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:42 PM (7lVbc)

106 >>Like this?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/gofrbrb

More like this.

http://tinyurl.com/zohhxrs

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:42 PM (/tuJf)

107 >>I love the smell of KFC but it never tastes as good as it smells.
Colonel Sanders is a liar!

Yeah. And he puts a secret ingredient in there that makes you crave it fortnightly.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at May 27, 2016 01:43 PM (veJi0)

108 At the last picnic I attended, Ike was the featured speaker.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2016 01:43 PM (9mTYi)

109
unless it was an intimate picnic, there was never enough room in them for me, plus I need more cooler space than anything.

You're not supposed to get in the basket. That's for the food.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (k4M/B)

110 A key point I have made before but which needs to be remade: The difference between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton is that Donald Trump doesn't hate this country and its people.

Posted by: An Observation at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (VuLVV)

111 I love the smell of KFC but it never tastes as good as it smells.
Colonel Sanders is a liar!

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:42 PM (7lVbc)

Once I had Popeyes' chicken, I knew I'd never go back to KFC ever again.

Popeye's spicy...yummmm

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (u0lmX)

112 Would it be acceptable to snatch the leafblower out of my neighbor's hand and beat him over the head with it?

I'm hungover. I have a banging headache. And that dick is out there -for the second time today - with his loud ass blower. He'll be out there again at least twice before the sun sets...

Posted by: Chi at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (eKxUP)

113 Yeah. And he puts a secret ingredient in there that makes you crave it fortnightly.
Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at May 27, 2016 01:43 PM (veJi0)

DAMMIT

*plots bitterly*

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (mf5HN)

114 More like this.

http://tinyurl.com/zohhxrs

Oh that's nice.

And you're right. I have a sudden hankering to wear opera gloves.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (1xUj/)

115 >>At the last picnic I attended, Ike was the featured speaker.

No Tina?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (/tuJf)

116 What kills me about the argument the anti-Trump people make is that they are still supporting a coherent ideology that still exists.

I don't even remotely believe that it does.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (4ng05)

117 I love the smell of KFC but it never tastes as good as it smells.
Colonel Sanders is a liar!
Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:42 PM (7lVbc)

Like everything, I think they changed their recipes over the years. Else, my tastes have changed.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (qCMvj)

118 I like Shapiro. Started listening to his and Klavan's shows. They are both great.

Like me, they both think Hillary will be absolutely terrible, but also that Trump is so bad they cannot in good conscience vote for him. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that. I would have voted for almost any one of the other 16, but it's this one that made it through. He's going to have to try to win without my vote.

And I don't think it is out of bounds to criticize a big government authoritarian statist Republican. We've criticized others. Why should Trump get special treatment?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to listening to the podcast.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (g6yUI)

119

time to get some sun

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (qCMvj)

120 92
AWESOME! Coworkers around me think I'm losing my mind because I was laughing maniacally over that. Nice job.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at May 27, 2016 01:45 PM (jxbfJ)

121 You could just use an open basket, Ace, with a blanket/towel covering the open top as here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hohl3gy

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 01:45 PM (PLnZs)

122 Ha ! Great picnic description donna

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 27, 2016 01:45 PM (dULJN)

123 Ben clearly wants the Republican party - IN ITS PRESENT FORM - to continue to exist. I don't.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:45 PM (4ng05)

124 > Unlike our family picnics, which were notable for lots of plastic bags and cups, paper plates and napkins blowing away, me getting a splinter in my ass from the picnic table, everyone swearing and shooing away flies and bees, the smell of Coppertone and Off! in the air..

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (u0lmX)

On the beach. Sand, kicked in everything.

Honestly, that's why I thought they were called "sandwiches".

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at May 27, 2016 01:46 PM (IQI2h)

125 106 ooh classy!

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:47 PM (7lVbc)

126 Awesome. Jeff Sessions just said he is considering running as VP for Trumpster.

I love that guy!!

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (bdzyz)

127 People who spend their time writing about the real world should remind themselves, occasionally, that the simplistic models of the world they conjure up in their written essays are not actually the world. "The map is not the territory."
I'm so embarrassed for people who seem to believe the real world is captured, fully, in all of its compromises, complexities, and convolutions, in their simplified little dashed-off #HotTakes.

This is a real concern in the modern social media/blog era. It can feel like you have something great to say with all the feedback and positive comments, and get the impression if you read what you like and nothing else that you've got it all worked out. Especially when you're younger and life hasn't stomped you down into the gutter over and over to remind you how small you really are.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (39g3+)

128 Unlike our family picnics, which were notable for lots of plastic bags
and cups, paper plates and napkins blowing away, me getting a splinter
in my ass from the picnic table, everyone swearing and shooing away
flies and bees, the smell of Coppertone and Off! in the air..

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (u0lmX)

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How far are you from the lakefront, Donna? Are there good beaches by you?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (dFi94)

129
And you're right. I have a sudden hankering to wear opera gloves.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (1xUj/)

I call dibs on the little binocular thingys!

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (mf5HN)

130 I wish it was brisket and ribs, but having lost custody of the smoker in the divorce it will probly be burgers and dogs. :-\
I really need to replace that ting, I miss it.

Posted by: IP at May 27, 2016 01:49 PM (aQQbl)

131 Ace we have racks behind the seats on our bikes that accommodate a thermal pack that kind of clips in.. It also has roll down sides for towels or what not. Beers, sunscreen, lunch, bike gear all fit in there. We use it all the time.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2016 01:49 PM (U+nHb)

132 Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (u0lmX)

Oh yeah! The best part of a road trip is when the rest stops have Popeyes!

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (7lVbc)

133 I'm seeing a really ridiculous push by feminists recently. You know all those "I've got a shotgun and a shovel" dad pics and shirts, warning people to leave their daughter alone?

Oh, that's terrible according to feminists. Misogynist. Oppressive. A real father lets her decide for herself, at age 14 when she's on a date with some pimpled douchebag who wants in her panties. Her body, her rules. A REAL dad steps aside and lets her decide.

I'm not even kidding.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (39g3+)

134 bring one of those lawn dart games
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM (qCMvj)

But real Jarts, not those new fangled safety tipped ones that won't put someone's eye and/or heart out.

Doesn't count if you can't pin them to the ground thru their shirt!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (EdhH3)

135 A picnic? Great!

Don't worry about lotion, everybody, I'll bring it.

Posted by: Jame Gumb at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (TOk1P)

136
>>At the last picnic I attended, Ike was the featured speaker.

No Tina?
Posted by: JackStraw

Can't beat that.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (k4M/B)

137 The HQ has an opera box?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (PLnZs)

138 " I wish it was brisket and ribs, but having lost custody of the smoker in the divorce it will probly be burgers and dogs. :-\"

Damn man. Thats low as a rattle snakes belly in a wagon track. I would have demanded my lawyer's smoker for sucking so bad.

Posted by: Drider at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (bdzyz)

139 What kills me about the argument the anti-Trump people make is that they are still supporting a coherent ideology that still exists.

I don't even remotely believe that it does.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 01:44 PM (4ng05)

How about character? Does it matter? Am I obligated to vote for a lying demagogue? I was shocked to read what he said about Bob Vander Platts, the head of a Christian org, who decided to endorse Cruz. He just lied brazenly about him, engaging in character assassination and projection. It was low, even for him.

I don't think I am obligated to vote for someone who I find reprehensible in important ways just because I can't stand someone else. Maybe the party should have selected someone else. It's not my fault people chose this poopshow.

And I don't have to shut up about him. I would have found him odious as a Dem. I find him odious as a Republican. No partiality.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (g6yUI)

140 133 I'm seeing a really ridiculous push by feminists recently. You know all those "I've got a shotgun and a shovel" dad pics and shirts, warning people to leave their daughter alone?

Oh, that's terrible according to feminists. Misogynist. Oppressive. A real father lets her decide for herself, at age 14 when she's on a date with some pimpled douchebag who wants in her panties. Her body, her rules. A REAL dad steps aside and lets her decide.

What about the 40 yr old guy that just wants to fingerbang her in Target's bathroom?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (EdhH3)

141 With the Rubio endorsement Trump cannot fail. The countless Democrats and Independents that pledged their love and undying support for Marco will cross the line at the polls and pull the lever for The Donald.
Biden-Warren never had a chance.

Posted by: Hank at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (GKsb7)

142 PETa's new stupid don't eat meat ad deconstructed

(although bunnies are good eats and considered high end cuisine)

http://tinyurl.com/he3fu6e

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (39g3+)

143 Listened to about 20 minutes of the podcast. Somebody please remind me to never listen to another one again.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (WVsWD)

144 137 The HQ has an opera box?
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (PLnZs)

If you don't mind rats and a big pillar in the way.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (PjWy4)

145 What about the 40 yr old guy that just wants to fingerbang her in Target's bathroom?

Only a hateful bigot would be opposed to this!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (39g3+)

146
Sawed-off shotties are excellent for picnic basket carry...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (KId5h)

147 Ok, it seems I'm the only one ranting.

Still have a lot of work to do, but I'm glad for the long weekend. I'll still with a bit,but at least I can take a breather and catch up on my sleep.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (g6yUI)

148 I love the smell of KFC but it never tastes as good as it smells.
Colonel Sanders is a liar!
Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:42 PM (7lVbc)

Like everything,

Coffee.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (EdhH3)

149 Somehow my method never became popular.

Posted by: Dr. Butts-Fuchs at May 27, 2016 01:36 PM (TOk1P)

Barry: Oh yesth it did. And I'm always getting thingsth stuck in my mouth!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (493sH)

150 Listened to about 20 minutes of the podcast. Somebody please remind me to never listen to another one again.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (WVsWD)

If it was so bad, you shouldn't need a reminder.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 01:54 PM (g6yUI)

151 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (39g3+)
_______________________________________

dude, goldens are pretty good.. not tough like bulldogs.

Posted by: B. Sotero at May 27, 2016 01:55 PM (aQQbl)

152 Coffee.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:53 PM (EdhH3)

Whatcha talking about? Coffee is wonderful.
You just don't appreciate bitterness..

Posted by: @votermom at May 27, 2016 01:55 PM (7lVbc)

153 How far are you from the lakefront, Donna? Are there good beaches by you?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:48 PM (dFi94)

I'm 5 minutes away from the lakefront, but it's kind of a zoo during holidays. I think I'd rather go to the park.

Or - a baseball game, like I'm doing tonight. BTW, grammie I was at that 13 inning Cubs-Brewers game which the Cubs finally won because the winning one was (pitifully) walked in. (My luck to go to the one game of that series I thought we would win and instead it was the one we lost.) It was Wrigley North - it's quite odd feeling like an alien in your own ballpark.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:55 PM (u0lmX)

154 Ben has really good points - BUT - he ignores two major points.

Immigration - it is destroying this country. Who the fuck cares about the "conservative movement" when the country is facing destruction under Hillary.

Judges - I am at the point in the podcast where you mentioned judges.

Hillary puts in 2-4 ultra liberal judges.. which opens up this country to any fascist executive orders for 50 years.

And little mentioned in this discussion is that Trump can't do anything without the help of Congress.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (so+oy)

155 I love the smell of KFC but it never tastes as good as it smells.
Colonel Sanders is a liar!

All of KFC's flavoring is in the breading, the meat is nearly without taste. Popeyes seems to brine their meat and flavor it as well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)

156 Michelle Fields didn't let the wookie win.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (VdICR)

157 The HQ has an opera box?
Posted by: andycanuck at May 27, 2016 01:50 PM (PLnZs)

Oh, you didn't know?

*looks down nose*

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (mf5HN)

158 If it was so bad, you shouldn't need a reminder.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 01:54 PM (g6yUI)

Too many strokes here. My short term memory has problems. I need a sticky note sewed onto me somewhere I can read it. Over and over and over again.

Has Ace ever done any solo podcasts? Now those I could listen to.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at May 27, 2016 01:56 PM (WVsWD)

159 It was Wrigley North - it's quite odd feeling like an alien in your own ballpark.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:55 PM (u0lmX)
==============================================

Oh ya, I love going to Miller Park when the Cubs play the Brewers! It really is a nice ballpark. You're right - it gets to be a little Cubs-heavy.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:57 PM (dFi94)

160 >>A real father lets her decide for herself, at age 14 when she's on a
date with some pimpled douchebag who wants in her panties. Her body,
her rules. A REAL dad steps aside and lets her decide.

I've seen that, too. It really is disturbing...they want to alienate a dad from his daughter for caring for and protecting her. Sick.

Meanwhile, it's all "rape culture" and you're "pro-rape" if you don't automatically believe every woman who claims she was raped.

3rd wave feminism is nothing but contradictions.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2016 01:57 PM (NOIQH)

161 143 Listened to about 20 minutes of the podcast. Somebody please remind me to never listen to another one again.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at May 27, 2016 01:52 PM (WVsWD)

Isn't there someplace you need to be right now?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2016 01:57 PM (VdICR)

162 I got dibs on the opera box when Pavarotti is singing.

Wut?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9UwJ_i5EXQ

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

163 *draws curtain on opera box*

What? I'm here to make out with alex, not watch La Bohemme.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:59 PM (1xUj/)

164 a Hillary presidency could have been recoverable 8 years ago, because even she wouldn't have had the balls to do things that ~~Obama~~ Valerie has. Given the precedents set by this administration and the weak republican congress, Hillary would clearly be willing to push the bounds of dictatorship.

Posted by: Richard Milhous Nixon at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (12kBq)

165 What about the 40 yr old guy that just wants to fingerbang her in Target's bathroom?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (EdhH3)

Is he wearing a dress? If so, the DOJ, Barry and the Target CEO will be okay with it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (493sH)

166 Isn't there someplace you need to be right now?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2016 01:57 PM (VdICR)

If there is, I forgot all about it. If it was important my Wife would be letting me know. I'll go with "what is no?" for a 1000 Bourbon

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (WVsWD)

167 I agree that having Ace alone in the podcast would probably be better, but I enjoy the input from the other guys often as well. And it gives more content without putting all the pressure on Ace alone. When would he have time to go hobo hunting if he has to prep a show every week?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (39g3+)

168 I got dibs on the opera box
________________________

Be sure to lock the door.

Posted by: Mary T. Lincoln at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (aQQbl)

169 Celebrating my daughter's 23rd birthday on Monday at my ex's house by the Colorado river. Grill, drink, and laugh.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (oiNtH)

170 It is possible that Hillary and her offensive personality, as president, would not be able to move the country as far to the left as Trump.

There's a lot of Trump love vs no Hillary love.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (DElAm)

171 Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 01:51 PM (g6yUI)

Of course you aren't obligated to vote for a liar.

You can go third party or not vote and "feel" better.

One of the liars is going to be President no matter what we do.

So I picked one and I'm voting.

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (3myMJ)

172 Is he wearing a dress? If so, the DOJ, Barry and the Target CEO will be okay with it

Oh, he doesn't need a dress. He just has to self-identify as a woman. Don't be so much a hater!

Posted by: Department of Justice at May 27, 2016 02:01 PM (39g3+)

173
I got dibs on the opera box when Pavarotti is singing.

Kill the wabbit.

https://youtu.be/wGhQ2BDt4VE

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2016 02:01 PM (k4M/B)

174 They're still fighting down below.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (EdhH3)

175
*hands ATC Mother of Pearl Opera Glasses*
http://preview.tinyurl.com/h2creah

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2016 02:02 PM (9mTYi)

176 Ok, so what I get is Ben's argument is basically a Trump is a demagogue and and "failures"-- such as they will most certainly exist-- will eternally be conflated with / blamed on conservative principles assisted by media/cultural bias. Just like Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush.

The reason this doesn't hurt the likes of an Obama is because he is set as outside/above it all (h/t Limbaugh Theorem), any non-D president will never be afforded that luxury.

A phoenix can only rise from ashes.

Still, I'd rather have Trump anyway; if. only to annoy people I don't like (politically) and have more Frank Caliendo comedy.

Posted by: David Wellman at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (Hi6cL)

177 172 Is he wearing a dress? If so, the DOJ, Barry and the Target CEO will be okay with it

Oh, he doesn't need a dress. He just has to self-identify as a woman. Don't be so much a hater!

And he only has to self identify the second he is stopped and questioned.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (EdhH3)

178 25 minutes into the podcast Shapiro says what I have been saying for months.

Trump is Obama.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (Zu3d9)

179
There's a lot of Trump love vs no Hillary love.

While true, its not really about love. Its about where the power is and who has the love.

Trump is liked by the public, but hated by the ruling powers that be. Hillary is despised by everybody, but feared and bribed by the powers that be.

Plus, a Hillary win will be viewed and portrayed as a massive statement and mandate of staying the course, of continuing the ramming to the hard left. She won despite all the odds, to keep the communization of America going. OK apparently that's what America wants.

Trump winning won't have that momentum feeling, and he's despised by the leadership of his own party, and will by November be considered Pol Pots more evil uncle by the Democrats.

Posted by: CHristopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (39g3+)

180 A President with a private server in the White House bathroom, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (3myMJ)

181 So, Ben argues we're heading for a Constitutional crisis, so we don't have to worry about Trump's SCOTUS picks.

That reminds me of a lot of the attitudes around here.. it's a fucking fantasy.. there ain't gonna be no Constitutional crisis..

A liberal SCOTUS will continue to allow Dems to give more free shit away.. and the Dems will bring in millions of more Dem voters. where's the crisis?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (so+oy)

182 Oh ya, I love going to Miller Park when the Cubs play the Brewers! It really is a nice ballpark. You're right - it gets to be a little Cubs-heavy.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 01:57 PM (dFi94)

Well, what Brewers fan wants to see the Cubbies beat us?

I miss the old days, when we could count on your boys keeping us out of the cellar. Let's hope the Reds have taken over that spot.

Also, I imagine many Cubs fans are staying in a hotel and so hang around if the game goes into extras on a weeknight. If I hadn't taken off the next day I wouldn't have stayed that late.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (u0lmX)

183 Nood. Seamen.

Posted by: johnd01 at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (ukNFU)

184

I FIND A PICNIC BASKET VERY USEFUL FOR TRANSPORTING MY HEROIN GRINDER AND FIXINS, ENEMA SET, ELECTROSHOCK NIPPLE CLAMPS AND 'HELLO KITTY' PORTABLE GLORY HOLE TO PARKS AND BEACHES.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE PICNIC PERVERT at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (KId5h)

185 >>Is he wearing a dress? If so, the DOJ, Barry and the Target CEO will be okay with it

Have you seen the 31 genders recognized by NYC?
Not only is there a lot of overlap - cross-dresser vs. drag king vs. drag queen vs. butch - but it seems to boil down to this: my gender identity is informed by the clothes I am wearing today. In other words, "I am a 4 or 5 year old playing dress-up, and my clothes magically transform my gender in this lovely make-believe world I've created that you *must* respect."

Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (NOIQH)

186 Is he wearing a dress? If so, the DOJ, Barry and the Target CEO will be okay with it
Posted by: TheQuietMan
---------
Intended as hyperbole, I know, but...

"Man in Barbie costume attacks woman in bathroom"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/oay36c4

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (9mTYi)

187 178 25 minutes into the podcast Shapiro says what I have been saying for months.

Trump is Obama.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2016 02:03 PM (Zu3d9)

So all we have to do is hope that Trump has a constitutional based Valerie Jarrett

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (12kBq)

188 Trump is Obama.

Only in approach and campaign style. Its the new campaign direction of the country: reality TV sophistry. But in terms of politics and beliefs, not even close.

He's more Schwarzenegger/Jesse Ventura in those terms

Posted by: CHristopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (39g3+)

189 >>Kill the wabbit.

Rabbit of Seville

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vdJ7l39w2Q

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (/tuJf)

190 Since a new thread is up, I'd just like to suggest that Ben Shapiro just waved goodbye to one hellava whole lot of credibility by participating in that podcast...

at least by opening his mouth in it.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (4ng05)

191 You can go third party or not vote and "feel" better.

One of the liars is going to be President no matter what we do.

So I picked one and I'm voting.
Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 02:00 PM (3myMJ)

It really isn't about my feelings - I have given non-emotion based reasons many times, e.g.,above - but I've realized some will never accept that. Which is whatever.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (g6yUI)

192 Shapiro made no sense. What about losing the Supreme Court for at least a generation?

The #NeverTrump people are incoherent. Their stated positions are even worse.

They appear to be simply having a temper tantrum.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (N7G17)

193 Well isn't that quaint, Hillary goes to Roscoe's chicken and waffles and did not have a plate in front of her. What a lousy pandering bitch.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 27, 2016 02:07 PM (6Ll1u)

194 180 A President with a private server in the White House bathroom, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 02:04 PM (3myMJ)

I had a private server in the White House bathroom... her name was Monica

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at May 27, 2016 02:07 PM (12kBq)

195 They appear to be simply having a temper tantrum.
Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (N7G17)

So it would appear.

Good to see ya, TJ.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 02:07 PM (4ng05)

196 They appear to be simply having a temper tantrum.
Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (N7G17)

Here we go.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 02:07 PM (g6yUI)

197 Texas caviar, homemade guac and chips to take to cookout at neighbors tonight.

not sure about the rest of the weekend.

kids' last day of school today, pool opens tomorrow...sunny and hot for the foreseeable future in central OH

it's all good, except for collapse of America part

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 27, 2016 02:09 PM (dBmVV)

198 So anyway

Any of you morons familiar with Lawrence Kohlberg and his Stages of Moral Development? I'm having fun staging the lot of you...

.... there's always bias, of course. I'm seeing Ace's realist Trump stand as higher than the principled never Trump crowd for example, though by definition as Stage 5 types they can never see that.

Some of the web stuff is badly written so I'll explain: stage 5 is a principled one, but fettered. The kind of person who would immediately quit a job that contradicts their ethics in some way, for example. They will not Sully themselves.

Stage 6 has a universal outlook and a bias towards the greater good, while knowing they must get their hands dirty to achieve that. The dramatic over the top example is the German hiding a Jew during WW2, but it is also the person who works for positive changes behind the scenes or chooses a horrifying job in order to blow the whistle - like the guys that released the PP videos.

None of the above is to infer all fit in those categories. Several on both sides are lower still. The good news is people do learn and change.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 27, 2016 02:10 PM (RYQSV)

199 A number of us (includind, I believe, Shapiro) actually liked Trump in the beginning, too, even if he wasn't our first choice. But yeah, it's just a temper tantrum. There are no substantive reasons behind our hesitation to vote for him.

Anyway, lots of people and most GOPe politicians are getting on the Trump train, so y'all should be fine.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 02:11 PM (g6yUI)

200 I remember the good old days when the GOPe used to brow beat us conservatives with the OMG111!!!SCOTUS!1!! you have to vote for our candidate or else.

Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 02:12 PM (wnwJC)

201 It really isn't about my feelings - I have given non-emotion based reasons many times, e.g.,above - but I've realized some will never accept that. Which is whatever.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (g6yUI)

Sorry, I just got here so didn't see what you wrote earlier.

It's a long time until November too. So that will be interesting.

I'm not mad at people who are having issues with Trump, I can't even watch him for 3 seconds, have to run away.

I just find him easily superior to Hillary. But that's me.

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 02:13 PM (3myMJ)

202 I think of those and I imagine Victorians gathering on a well manicured lawn to nibble on strawberries and biscuits while watching a cricket match.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 27, 2016 01:38 PM (u0lmX)

==================

And I think of Le Dejeuner sur l'herbe:

http://___.youtube.com/vi/Nb_4nEFyeGk/0.jpg

Ace is the naked one.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 02:13 PM (iQIUe)

203 The #NeverTrump people are incoherent. Their stated positions are even worse.

They appear to be simply having a temper tantrum.
Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (N7G17)

============

Pretty much.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 27, 2016 02:16 PM (iQIUe)

204 In other news, this is completely awesome.

Dr. Heimlich (who is still alive) just saved someone with the him maneuver.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36400365

Posted by: alexthechick - serpentining for my sanity

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Oh that is completely awesome!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 01:29 PM (1xUj/)

Eddie Izzard has a ROTF hilarious bit on Herr Doktor Heimlich and his manooooover.

Well worth googling, for those so inclined.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2016 01:32 PM

If you can find Woody Allen's short story, "A Giant Step for Mankind", I highly recommend it. The good Doktor doesn't realize how close he came to getting scooped by three obscure scientists in Brooklyn.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 27, 2016 02:17 PM (bzd8I)

205 Trump is not Obama but he is a solid Democrat.

Considering that he intends to share profits from the Keystone Pipeline with the people he may be a little to the left of Democrat.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 27, 2016 02:22 PM (DElAm)

206 Your radio voice is getting better.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 27, 2016 02:28 PM (0q2P7)

207 Before Heimlich there was only the pounding on the back maneuver.Don't know who invented that one.
=====

In my family it was 'soooo big' instead of the pounding.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 27, 2016 02:29 PM (MIKMs)

208 190 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (4ng05)

There are a *bunch* of pundits who need to face an assize.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 02:31 PM (g8Hfr)

209 "I remember the good old days when the GOPe used to brow beat us conservatives with the OMG111!!!SCOTUS!1!! you have to vote for our candidate or else."

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 02:35 PM (KF8B+)

210 191 Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at May 27, 2016 02:05 PM (g6yUI)

Idiot A is an idiot

Idiot B is an idiot who makes excuses for suicide bombers

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 02:36 PM (g8Hfr)

211 After listening to Shapiro, who shoots out words like an AK-47, Ace sounds like a stoner from Mississippi.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:36 PM (N7G17)

212 209 Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 02:35 PM (KF8B+)

In capitalism man takes advantage of man, in socialism it is the opposite.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 02:37 PM (g8Hfr)

213 211 Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:36 PM (N7G17)

Ben Shapiro is a fine young man, and he speaks really fast never quite explaining how much better conservatism is after 4-8 years of Grammy H after 8 years of Bronko.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 27, 2016 02:38 PM (g8Hfr)

214 Too short!

But thanks :-D

Posted by: Lurker Primus at May 27, 2016 03:02 PM (tHP3B)

215 Ace's accent sounds straight outta Cooperstown to me . . . .

Posted by: Lurker Primus at May 27, 2016 03:16 PM (tHP3B)

216 "I hate Obama. I hate the past 7 1/2 awful years. I think it's silly to claim "Oh I want more of that, because then in 2020 or 2024 we'll come *roaring* back!"

I didn't like that claim when it was peddled by the "TrueCon" types who didn't want to vote for Romney and I don't think it sounds any better from the #NeverTrumpers now.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 01:21 PM (dciA+) "

It's not always true, but there are cases where losing the battle means winning the war. Kerry losing the 2004 election ended up being the best thing that happened to the Democratic party this century. It got them their 06 midterm victories, which got them Obamacare. And it got them 8 years of Obama.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 27, 2016 03:17 PM (kumBu)

217 As for "no matter what, one of these two will be President," well, we'll see....I still think it's easily possible that the Dems find a way to shelve Hillary if she continues to tank in H2H polling with The Donald.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 27, 2016 03:18 PM (kumBu)

218 I disagree with Ben on this point: Trump will never be the "Obama of the right". Obama more or less is where nearly all leftists want to go; I doubt with even the pro-Trump people would consider him as the standard bearer for Republicans.

Posted by: rrr at May 27, 2016 04:14 PM (vApi+)

219 Wow, Ace, it's good to have the old you back. You went bland for a good 5 years there.

Posted by: meerkat at May 27, 2016 04:39 PM (cnz5m)

220 Nice substantive conversation on the podcast missing (IMO) the most substantive issue. Conservatives have allowed the media (leftists) and educators (even more leftist) to define the term "Conservative." The media will preface Mitch McConnell in a news story as a "conservative." I, even, remember then doing the same with the arch liberal republican senator from Maine (forget her name at the present).

The moral of the story is that conservatism has lost the narrative because they have lost the ability to define themselves in the two most influential forums of our society. Until that changes it matters not who sits in the Oval office. Irreparable damage to the concept of conservatism can't be done by a brutish, ignoramus in the White House. The brand is already damaged, ill defined, and consistently perverted by those who teach, report, and pontificate. Ben Shapiro's argument falls flat because he isn't willing to concede that the brand is already harmed and will continue to be so as long as true conservatives allow the media and the academics to define them.

Posted by: OrsonSnow at May 27, 2016 04:40 PM (e0H9w)

221 Wow, Shapiro talks a little too fast.

I was a bit disappointed that Ace's point about introspection from the elites seemed to get avoided. Shapiro admits neo-con rebuttals were already happening, but what about the rebuttal that is the nomination of Trump?

Has anybody compared how many hours of "The Apprentice" were watched by political leaders versus the avg. citizen? I know I watched only a little bit by accident. It was a popular show.

Have any of the NeverTrump leaders showed any inclination that they might be out of touch with voters? Have they made a commitment to explaining potential voters why they shouldn't vote for a guy like Trump next time? And understanding why they voted for him this time? Surely this is already being done by the politicians who plan to win in the future.

One further advantage of Trump over Hillary (as always with R vs. D) is that Congress and the Press won't pull any punches attacking Trump unconstitutional actions.

Posted by: JT at May 27, 2016 05:14 PM (r0Xql)

222 192 Shapiro made no sense. What about losing the Supreme Court for at least a generation?

The #NeverTrump people are incoherent. Their stated positions are even worse.

They appear to be simply having a temper tantrum.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 27, 2016 02:06 PM (N7G17)

**********************
Nope. Why are the Trumpkins making the emotional based arguments then ("temper tantrum")? How about the false dilemmas as well ("If you are not with us you are against us!")?

Please.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at May 27, 2016 05:51 PM (B11vO)

223 Has anyone told Ben he talks too fast? He goes into stuttering Porky Pig mode. Two of my favorite people. I mean this. But Ben must be shut off until he works through this episode. The party, the party, the party, Ben, that's the thing, there IS NOT PARTY that represents conservatives throughout the land and therefore no worthwhile party. Ben still hasn't internalized that Trump is the signal the Republican part as Ben knows and loves it is gone.

And Ben coming to understand that out loud in stuttering rapid staccato is intolerable. Work it out, Ben.

Actually nice hearing both. It'll be even better when Ben heals.

Posted by: bour3 at May 27, 2016 10:21 PM (5x3+2)

224 Shapiro seems to be saying the country would be better off with Trump than Hillary, but the conservative movement would be damaged. So we'll just have to live with a Hillary! presidency.

His priorities are f?$ked up.

Posted by: waelse1 at May 27, 2016 11:23 PM (fQf0U)

225 I liked Shapiro until I read one of his articles arguing Bob Dylan was a decent singer but a terrible songwriter. The stupid it burns.

Posted by: waelse1 at May 27, 2016 11:32 PM (fQf0U)

226 Shapiro suffers from the same mental defect that most other #Nevertrump people do. On the one hand he says Trump has no policies and the ones he does have he will contradict himself in a week. One the other hand they criticize him on the detail of his polices and how it will make America worse off. So which is it really, he won't enact what he says, or he will enact it and it's bad that he does so? These are the confused points of a person who has been rendered completely irrelevant by Trump. No one is calling him asking for advice, or asking him to write stories. He's discovered he's nobody and he blames Trump, in every way for that.

Posted by: Mr Black at May 28, 2016 12:50 AM (+/vrF)

227 I'm wondering what exactly the plan for reunification of the party is going to be after hillarys reign.

If they think they can disenfranchise conservatives who are willing to vote trump to deny hillary the presidency and scotus picks and then we are all just going to have a big hugfest they are seriously mistaken.

So since we haven't passed the GOP purity test will the new unified party be pulling new voters from the Dem amnesty army? Syrians? Or will you be building them from legos? Because I don't think its going to be feasible to recover all the voters the puritan's are driving out of the party right now. I hear people say trump will ruin the party.. as they continue to ruin the party by driving people out.

Posted by: The kinder gentler Vapor at May 28, 2016 05:53 AM (09nQ2)

228 Just an observation I haven't seen made before.

Hillary "lost" more money while at the state dept than Trumps net worth accumulated over his entire life.

hmm..

Posted by: The kinder gentler Vapor at May 28, 2016 05:59 AM (09nQ2)

229 I enjoy the podcasts. It's good to hear you guys riffing live. Any chance you can use a higher-fidelity audio arrangement like FaceTime Audio etc?

Posted by: Arnie Fufkin at May 28, 2016 05:44 PM (U7E4e)

230 The Shapiro types imagined they were some sort of priesthood of "real conservative". Then the indians proved the chiefs wrong. Bummer for them. These people are bemoaning their looming irrelevance. It must feel like shit.

Posted by: ccoffer at May 28, 2016 09:49 PM (ZrNvQ)

231 Mental facility =/= truth. Shapiro had a nice little gig going for himself stiring up kiddies on campus until finding the honor of Michele Fields which no man had found before or since. He calls it "principle".

Posted by: Jon at May 29, 2016 09:37 PM (ph/F7)

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