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Sorry, I just can't permit this foul creature to be president. I underestand some feel differently. This woman has been breaking the law forever. She's a viciously paranoid drunk who keeps an enemies list and has a thirst for avenging slights against her. The only reason I can see to support her -- and believe me, this occurred to me -- is if you believe Trump is doomed anyway and you wish to make yourself a small target in Hillary's ever-growing list of targets for vengeance. A completely rational and practical reason. But that's it. This bullshit that she'd somehow be more respecting of the law or Constitution than Trump? Don't delude yourselves.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Frank Waturi - Advertising Dept: American Panoscope at May 25, 2016 08:47 PM (jjNBN)
Posted by: Frank Waturi - Advertising Dept: American Panoscope at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (jjNBN)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (QDVFm)
The point is that some of us are willing to consider the weight of breaking shit- that you yourself claimed against, of all people, Rubio, back in December.
Suddenly, breaking shit doesn't look like so much fun when you're at the edge.
Posted by: fringe at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (+GIZJ)
Posted by: HyperMania1637 at May 25, 2016 08:49 PM (7B8m0)
Posted by: Ohiogal at May 25, 2016 08:49 PM (Z7VEi)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 08:51 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 08:51 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (iYTlX)
You notice she makes NO pretense about "most transparent admin EVAH!"
there's a reason lads
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (mL2BD)
Yeah, no.
This woman is evil. I don't even think her husband is evil. Amoral, yes, but not evil. She's evil.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (Dj0WE)
HEY!
I'M NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: Jed Cooper at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (k4M/B)
Posted by: twitter.com at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (yddCj)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (QDVFm)
Posted by: GT 5.0 at May 25, 2016 08:53 PM (Nk0GK)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (QDVFm)
You misspelled "GOP'.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 08:53 PM (iYTlX)
This bullshit that she'd somehow be more respecting of the law or Constitution than Trump?
Don't delude yourselves.
I don't think either one will be particularly faithful to the Constitution, quite frankly.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 08:54 PM (uAvJJ)
At least no one was actually disappeared at least that we know about so there's that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at May 25, 2016 08:54 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: dartist at May 25, 2016 08:54 PM (qmou8)
Having that vote hurt Hillary's run is just frosting on the cake.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 08:54 PM (NFFOv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 08:54 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: fringe at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (+GIZJ)
Next time use English.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 08:55 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: t-bird at May 25, 2016 08:55 PM (yddCj)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 08:55 PM (uAvJJ)
but i think that's good.
i thought the last go around Obama would be toss'd out on his ass after People saw what a malicious ass he was, a Ham sammich could beat him! . but no.
so now i'm skeered.
so i think that's good. lol
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (mL2BD)
I don't think either one will be particularly faithful to the Constitution, quite frankly.
Posted by: chemjeff
Whatever the people want, the people get.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (k4M/B)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (1ZOkK)
Let's Go Sharks!!!!
Posted by: Frank Waturi - Advertising Dept: American Panoscope at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (jjNBN)
Heh! No shit! I hate those feckless invertebrates almost as much as I hate the Dems. WASTF.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (QDVFm)
or complacent, or incompetent, that alone is enough to disqualify her
as Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Government.
She's the smartest, most accomplished woman politician in American history
AND
she didn't know what she was doing was highly illegal, and jeopardized national security, methods of intelligence, and people invplved in clandestine activities in foreign nations.
Does
Not
Compute
There is just not enough energy to believe both of those statements.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: DaveA at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (1ZOkK)
Supporting?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (iYTlX)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (1ZOkK)
You really have no idea about uncaring and vicious Hillary can be. As someone who grew up in Arkansas during the heyday of the Clintons, they will stop at nothing to get what they want--they make Donald Trump look like a saint.
Posted by: depressed onlooker at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (mlyQI)
27 So can Trump be sold as the pro-Constitution candidate?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 08:55 PM (uAvJJ)
Distraction.
The Constitution is nothing to be worshiped.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NFFOv)
#Actor COREY #FELDMAN Threatens to 'Name Names' of Hollywood #Pedophiles...
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But he wont...and he never will.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 08:58 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at May 25, 2016 08:54 PM (dEQP3)
alex, i'm not so sure, where did all the benghazi people go?
at least they were shut up, if they didn't get disappeared as Hillary and Obama designed
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 08:58 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 08:55 PM (uAvJJ)
Yes. But only because it irks you so.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 08:58 PM (Dj0WE)
Showing the crowd attacking a police horse.
Attacking police horses, throwing dumpsters at them.
Wow.
And fuck Hillary with a leg of her walker.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (qUNWi)
Though I really wish he would; sunlight's the best disinfectant.
Posted by: Chupacabra at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (Lv0zB)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (6Ll1u)
You have a witch who longs to weaponize the Feral govt...
A toupee that has an ego
and Gary "Open Borders Force your ass to bake a cake" Johnson...
I'm not seeing ANY Pro-Liberty candidate champ...
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (g8Hfr)
I admire ace's monetization of leftover Rubiodicy cash and wish to be cut in on the action.
Posted by: DaveA at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (ptqRm)
#Actor COREY #FELDMAN Threatens to 'Name Names' of Hollywood #Pedophiles...
============
But he wont...and he never will.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 08:58 PM (iQIUe)
Except, you know, he has, and others have. That no one has listened is not his fault.
You know who they are. Everybody does.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (1ZOkK)
With or w/o tennis balls?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (iYTlX)
//Grammy H
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Wait. Is Old Yeller the dog or Hillary?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (/WPPJ)
In that case, it may be preferable that the "right" has less connection to the continued destruction.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (LWu6U)
alex, i'm not so sure, where did all the benghazi people go?
at least they were shut up, if they didn't get disappeared as Hillary and Obama designed
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 08:58 PM (mL2BD)
This. Gowdy said they still have "not been allowed" to speak to the survivors of Benghazi. The fucking hell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (bZ7mE)
Of course, given his penchant for self immolation, I guess someone has to carry it for him.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (tEDMc)
Posted by: VA executives at May 25, 2016 09:01 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Chupacabra at May 25, 2016 09:01 PM (Lv0zB)
Oh Look Clennis the Chinese bag man, Bronko Ogabe, and now She Bitch....
sorry champ doesn't look to me like the electorate is buying.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:01 PM (g8Hfr)
And I enjoy watching some other things being done as well, but I won't mention it.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at May 25, 2016 09:01 PM (DW+jj)
Posted by: Kodos at May 25, 2016 09:02 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2016 09:02 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:02 PM (1ZOkK)
"The Greater Good."
Then there are those who do evil things, fully knowing that they are evil, and not trying at all to achieve anything like The Greater Good/
"The Greater Good."
The second class are pure evil, and Hillary Clinton is the most visible American in that class.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 25, 2016 09:02 PM (AroJD)
Posted by: Chupacabra at May 25, 2016 09:02 PM (Lv0zB)
They are too chickenshit to hoist Reid on his petard and force this as a Constitutional matter...
you know ChemJeff's "just as soon as we have 250 Congresscritters, 85 Senators, and 7 SCotUS Justices we'll get right on it!"
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:03 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: iKant at May 25, 2016 09:03 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 08:59 PM (g8Hfr)
I sadly have to agree. I can't see myself voting for either the R or the D or even the L this time around.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:04 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: ace at May 25, 2016 09:04 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2016 09:04 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2016 09:02 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah, like 100 years or something!
Posted by: Ezra Klein at May 25, 2016 09:04 PM (uAvJJ)
I'd rather hit the wall at 35 MPH than 35000 MPH....
YMMV
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:04 PM (g8Hfr)
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If radical Islamists invaded a US consulate and killed the ambassador and three other Americans, where do they bury the survivors?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (39g3+)
BAD CHELSEA!
//Grammy H
Woof!
//Chelsea
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (g8Hfr)
For what, may I ask? I kind of liked him, though he often irritated the heck out of me.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 25, 2016 08:56 PM (k4M/B)
They want Brawndo? Let 'em drown in it.
Posted by: Hilary Clinton at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (uAvJJ)
they were immediately forced to sign fresh NDAs and they have had their jobs and pensions threatened should they speak about benghazi, even to congress.
Posted by: ace at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NFFOv)
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Yes, what we need is a Strong Man to guide us!
What could be more American then that? Make America Great Again!
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 09:06 PM (mFkVC)
where did all the benghazi people go?
They've been threatened with having their careers/lives ruined if they speak. Because that's how the Most Transparent Administration in History rolls.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:06 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Huma at May 25, 2016 09:07 PM (c7vUv)
beacause. Transparency.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:07 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: Imbibing Joe Biden at May 25, 2016 09:07 PM (FXW24)
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (mL2BD)
Are you the actual willow, legendary warrior of Ace o' Spades of yore?
Posted by: Max Power at May 25, 2016 09:07 PM (q177U)
~~~~~~~~~~~
Fuck that guy in particular. It's not like he didn't roll over and wimped when threatened by Orange L'Douche and his chinless bitch sidekick. He could've called Caltain Asshat out: "Letvthem testify or we'll be slapping you with contempt and obstruction of Congress you lyin conivin Butt Dart."
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 25, 2016 09:08 PM (QDVFm)
they were immediately forced to sign fresh NDAs
and they have had their jobs and pensions threatened should they speak
about benghazi, even to congress.
Posted by: ace at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (dciA+)
And so, Congress, representing the American people, is supposed to STFU and STHD because Obama and his evil monkeys decreed it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:08 PM (1ZOkK)
This is barry's world, and there is nothing he would like more than to show up bubba and get a real third term
On top of that, it would guarantee his progressive agenda
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 25, 2016 09:08 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 09:08 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:08 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:09 PM (6Ll1u)
If ace doth my presidency despise,
I'll hold his head and tongue betwixt my thighs.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 25, 2016 09:09 PM (WxY7/)
I guess they made their choice, eh? What they think matters.
I'm reminded of the speaker talking to a crowd of conservatives asking how many would die for freedom:
Cheering!
Then he asked how many of them would be willing to lose their job for freedom:
Crickets.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 25, 2016 09:09 PM (39g3+)
they were immediately forced to sign fresh NDAs and they have had
their jobs and pensions threatened should they speak about benghazi,
even to congress.
Posted by: ace at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (dciA+)
Hillary knows what "classified" means when it is in her interest.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 09:09 PM (iYTlX)
84 The Constitution is nothing to be worshiped.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NFFOv)
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Yes, what we need is a Strong Man to guide us!
What could be more American then that? Make America Great Again!
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 09:06 PM (mFkVC)
I say one thing and you hear something else.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:09 PM (mR7Es)
If only we could ban Grin Breck and Brad Thor...
yeah overt direct threats of harm are uncool...
we're loves here at AoSHQ.....the swinginest place in cyberspace.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:10 PM (g8Hfr)
I'll hold his head and tongue betwixt my thighs."
Ace, quick.
Hide between Lefty and Scamp!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 25, 2016 09:10 PM (ptqRm)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 25, 2016 09:10 PM (WxY7/)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 25, 2016 09:10 PM (Tyii7)
I'll hold his head and tongue betwixt my thighs.
oh good lord in heaven.....
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:10 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Graham Chapman at May 25, 2016 09:11 PM (DL2i+)
(1) People will be so tired of Democrats in general and Hillary's bullshit after 12 years that we'll be able to go hard conservative in 2020 and win.
(2) Trump will do so much damage to the GOP brand that conservatives will be in exile for generations.
Trump still hasn't earned my vote, but I want him to beat Hillary like she owes him money.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 25, 2016 09:11 PM (I7SKu)
Hillary has the reputation of somehow *luckily* having bothersome people around her wind up dead...
I don't begrudge them their silence much....they know precisely how ruthless team (-d) is....
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:11 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:11 PM (1ZOkK)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:11 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:09 PM (mR7Es)
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There's been a lot of "the Constitution is outdated and void" talk circulating around Trump, and its made me very touchy. If I'm being unfair to your views, I apologize.
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (mFkVC)
Sounds like the queen in the White House except for the drunk part
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (45oDG)
we heard that freak Biden, Obama, Hillary lie to us and the families. we knopw they threateneed the survivors of benghazi.
and This is what we know of ONE- ONE! thing in foreign policy that slipped out.
wait two
fast and furious.
see everyone is expendable.
mexicans citizens ! americans! for their thrust for power to them while ours is taken
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NFFOv)
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I say one thing and you hear something else."
Explain.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (Q6v1c)
If Obama's targeted Micro Polling says Trump is gonna win he will destroy her to get the craft in the donk Blue Heavens...
bank on it.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (I7SKu)
You know who they are. Everybody does.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:00 PM (Dj0WE)
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No, I dont know. And unless Feldman was in the room while some kid was getting raped, he doesnt know either.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (iQIUe)
Well, Obama and Hillary willing left them to the AQ attackers - they were supposed to die to help O get re-elected. I wouldn't feel too safe after that, having already been wished dead.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (NOIQH)
I drove my mother home from a procedure today. I had Fox News on satellite on for her. They were talking about the riots. My mother was medicated. She said I hope the cops shoot those protesters.
I started laughing.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (egOGm)
If they let Trey too far off his leash, they'd get caught up in it themselves.
That thing where "Ambassador" Stevens (hell, he was CIA and this was so important the "Station Chief" had to the ambassador himself) had all the hallmarks of a drug deal gone bad. Imagine some big scene where all the kingpins are meeting to do some really big billion dollar drug deal. Somebody sneezes and they all jerk their guns and mow each other down.
That's what happened there as part of that secret gun running deal they were doing. Hillary was up to her eyeballs in it, and our guys on the Gang of Eight signed off on it.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at May 25, 2016 09:13 PM (DW+jj)
Then you had better explain post-haste, because it sounds like you have just justified every Nazi comparison people ever made regarding Trump supporters.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:13 PM (bZ7mE)
i mean srsly We are going to let these bastards flourish?
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:13 PM (mL2BD)
Oh Jane....
FAR MORE sophisticated....
In Venezuela if you make your peace with your ward boss and pay off the right people you are left alone...
here they want to micromanage your life to how you fold your toilet paper.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:14 PM (g8Hfr)
113 "The Constitution is nothing to be worshiped.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 08:57 PM (NFFOv)
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I say one thing and you hear something else."
Explain.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (Q6v1c)
Explain what?
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:14 PM (mR7Es)
Just do not bully me into voting for the thing representing our side
Don't ever tell me I can't criticize him. He needs an extremely short leash. With a shock collar.
And don't ever try to tell me he's good for anything else than wallowing in the mud in an election.
He may be good at winning elections, but that makes him the poster child for the theory that those who are good in elections make shitty public servants.
And, btw, someone remind that arrogant fuck that he's applying to be a public servant who works for ME.
You Trumpkins need to tell him that every fucking day.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:14 PM (ozZau)
and void" talk circulating around Trump, and its made me very touchy.
If I'm being unfair to your views, I apologize.
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (mFkVC)
really? fancy that. d'you mind providing a link to that circulating stuff ? thanks in advance
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 09:14 PM (c6/9Q)
But I'd contend that the best argument for not voting for him, or even voting Hillary, is: They're both progressives, and Trump might get more done. If she wins, she'll be damaged, and she'll face a Republican house and senate.
If Trump wins, and if he returns to his progressive attitudes that he held right up until 4 years ago, I don't see the Republicans in congress fighting against a Republican president. It could be like GWB, if GWB was about 3 clicks to the left. And that could be very, very bad.
Now, I'll reject that argument, and I'll vote for Trump, because I'd rather have a chance, albeit a slight one, that Trump turns out to be conservative, nominates another Clarence Thomas to SCOTUS, repeals ObamaCare, slashes spending, and builds that wall. That would be a hell of a lot better than gridlock with Hillary, and I'm in a gambling mood. But I can see the logic behind that argument, even if I reject it.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 09:15 PM (+EU58)
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However, Obozo and crew have been allowed to borrow and spend to their heart's content. Benghazi is a "won" way street.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:15 PM (Nwg0u)
"What this really does is show the dishonest slime back there with all the cameras," he added at a Tuesday night rally in Albequerque, N.M. "Look at them. Look at them. No, it's slime."
Calling the MFM dishonest slime. How dare Trump? They are several levels below dishonest slime
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2016 09:16 PM (45oDG)
120 I say one thing and you hear something else.
Then you had better explain post-haste, because it sounds like you have just justified every Nazi comparison people ever made regarding Trump supporters.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:13 PM (bZ7mE)
Nonsense.
I said the Constitution is nothing to be worshipped and "person" started in with dictator crap.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:16 PM (mR7Es)
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No, I dont know. And unless Feldman was in the room while some kid was getting raped, he doesnt know either.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:12 PM (iQIUe)
That's why it goes on, because people want to rip on the people trying to expose it, rather than the pedophiles who are all up and down and all around Hollywood.
If you want names, look at the people who were already convicted, look at who their buddies are, and look at the people who hire those same convicted sex offenders to work on kid tv shows.
If you don't know the names it's because you don't want to know.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:16 PM (Dj0WE)
TFG and the Hell Beast have much blood on their hands.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:16 PM (1ZOkK)
Your statement. I'm not attacking, just trying to understand what you mean by that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:17 PM (Q6v1c)
Hell, I'd vote for Bernie before I'd simply sit back allow her to claim the White House.
Bernie, at least, is so fucking nuts that there will be an effort in Congress to temper him.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 25, 2016 09:17 PM (SEXy3)
Posted by: Dishonest Slime at May 25, 2016 09:17 PM (ptqRm)
The Congress will be just as hard on Duh Donald...it is how I made my peace with it.
The McCain Gang will happily impeach his ass.....they would never impeach Grammy H....
the barn is a crapshoot...
I am not thrilled with Duh Donald being "it" but there it is.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:18 PM (g8Hfr)
132 "Explain what?"
Your statement. I'm not attacking, just trying to understand what you mean by that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:17 PM (Q6v1c)
I mean that the Constitution is not worthy of worship.
It is worthy of respect, but not worship.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:19 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: L, Elle at May 25, 2016 09:19 PM (6IPEM)
I don't think there are any here? Or maybe they are still in the closet?
Ghost of kari was kind of pro trump, but he just got banned.
Posted by: Max Power at May 25, 2016 09:19 PM (q177U)
Worshipped is a trolling word. Literally true; we don't worship the Constitution, but it is provocative because that statement implies that others do worship the Constitution as a religious icon.
The Constitution should be honored, and followed, as the ultimate authority on what is legal and what is not; on what authority the Federal Government has and what authority it does not have.
It is the type of statement Obama would make when he justifies doing something the US Constitution does not authorize the Federal Government to do.
Posted by: HyperMania1637 at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (7B8m0)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (+b2T3)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (Q6v1c)
If you don't know the names it's because you don't want to know.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:16 PM (Dj0WE)
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You dont know shit. LOL
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (iQIUe)
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Yeah, take the second amendment. When that was written the only weapons were rocks and sticks. Now everybody thinks they should be able to own an A bomb. I mean, the Iranians, sure, but Bubba Minimum Wage in East Knothole, Flyover Country? I don't think so.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Josephistan at May 25, 2016 09:21 PM (7qAYi)
i believe with all my head, the media, and our govt will fight tooth and nail against trump
they will finally want to fight backa against unconsitutional actions, etc.
that has been my hope all along
they will finally fear enough THEY will fight.
as they did during bush
remember omg constitution with patriot act?
i am hoping this is how it goes down, and in the meantime they all drown in their own vomit.
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:21 PM (mL2BD)
Posted by: Clarney at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (dgO4h)
If you didn't mean "lets not worry too much about whether Trump follows the Constitution or not," then what the hell DID you mean?
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (g8Hfr)
It is worthy of respect, but not worship."
As in a Golden Calf. As in it's a human creation and not worthy of worship like God.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (Q6v1c)
Worshipped is a trolling word. Literally true; we don't worship the Constitution, but it is provocative because that statement implies that others do worship the Constitution as a religious icon.
The Constitution should be honored, and followed, as the ultimate authority on what is legal and what is not; on what authority the Federal Government has and what authority it does not have.
It is the type of statement Obama would make when he justifies doing something the US Constitution does not authorize the Federal Government to do.
Posted by: HyperMania1637 at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (7B8m0)
So, you agree, it is not something to be worshipped.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:16 PM (Dj0WE)
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You dont know shit. LOL
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:20 PM (iQIUe)
I know nothing good ever comes from engaging you here.
Bye now.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:23 PM (qUNWi)
I can't say that I'm surprised. It was bound to happen sooner or later
Posted by: L, Elle at May 25, 2016 09:23 PM (6IPEM)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM
Yes, I agree. But the way you threw that stink bomb into the pool without explanation or preamble is trolling.
Chumming the waters, throwing out bait and see who you can stir up.
Posted by: HyperMania1637 at May 25, 2016 09:24 PM (7B8m0)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:24 PM (iQIUe)
Yup...were he running with a (-d) I'd be terrified BUT he's an (-r) that means he is EVILZ!
The media will suddenly remember it is not supposed to trust ANY press briefings, the Donks will suddenly have a veneration of liberty, and the weak-assed GOP will join the donks in playing "pin the tail on the weasel mop on Donald's head...."
It is perhaps the best outcome sans Cruz, Walker, or Perry we could hope for.
Not optimal, not the restoration of the system of govt I swore to defend but "good enough."
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:24 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 09:24 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:24 PM (6Ll1u)
"This bullshit that she'd somehow be more respecting of the law or Constitution than Trump?"
No. She'll be worse than Trump, even if marginally so.
Mostly because she knows the rules and how they can be broken; whereas Trump would have to learn before he can abuse the same power in the way he wants.
They both want to abuse and grow the power of the Government; and both lean liberal.. Hillary harder than Trump in my view.
IMO the important question... how do they do for the country?
I believe they both fail; badly. And damage their party (as much as the media permits, of course the media will play defense for the Dems only). Do you want the Big Govt Authoritarian abusing power laid at the feet of the GOP, or the DNC? Or do you think either will succeed in turning the country around economically and in general?
Now, if you accept both fail hard... Which party do you trust more to try to fix the problem caused by either candidate?
Because I don't see either of these candidates succeeding in leading the country into anything but more trouble and problems.
I also believe the GOP is the only chance of reversing this course at a later date; and the DNC will double down on stupid forever.
So destroying the GOP and any hope of a Conservative as President for the rest of my life in order to stop Hillary from being slightly worse than Trump for 4 years?
I don't see it. I'm not voting for him.
I'm not sure of my guesses and predictions here, but I have enough suspicion I'm correct that I don't want to push for what I see as the worst case scenario.
Posted by: gekkobear at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (FIMzP)
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (Nwg0u)
If you didn't mean "lets not worry too much about whether Trump follows the Constitution or not," then what the hell DID you mean?
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (bZ7mE)
I meant only what I said.
The thing with the Constitution is you can get your freedom trampled when it is followed and when it is ignored.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: ace at May 25, 2016 09:05 PM (dciA+)
And nobody will say "screw you" over something this important and fight these evil scum because of a job or pension?
This country is even more screwed than I thought.
Posted by: Blano at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (z43G5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (1ZOkK)
Kind of like Mao ZeDong's wife. Before the revolution, she was a two-bit stage actress in Shanghai back in the 1930s, and when the commies attained control of China after WWII, Madam Mao used her position as consort of the Great Helmsman to revenge herself for personal slights she suffered during her stage career.
What a peach.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (N1Wpo)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
HyperboleDad!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM (mR7Es)
Yep, not worshiped, but followed. Trump has said that people shouldn't "allowed" to say certain things about him.
If that doesn't put up a flaming red flag for you, then I don't know what to say. Putin and the Tiananmen square massacre guys are just hunky dory.
We should all just submit to the Trump train.
Fuck the shit out of the that.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: VA executives at May 25, 2016 09:01 PM (39g3+)
Ahem.
Posted by: George Soros at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (oKE6c)
They watched, slack jawed as Obama allowed a six figure donor to be murdered by his ideological soul mates champ...
then they watched this retarded electorate reward him with four more years...
I do not begrudge them their silence despite being saddened by it.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:28 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:28 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 09:28 PM (e3bId)
Yes, the Constitution should be honored because it is essentially the first document that established a clearly written limiting contract between those in power and the people.
I don't worship the Constitution, but I respect it as probably the best document ever written to establish a government where the citizens were protected (absent scum sucking lawyers and progressives) from a rapacious unchecked central power.
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 25, 2016 09:29 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (VquEu)
Would this be a bad time to point out that in presidential democracies, unlike parliamentary ones, don't have votes of no confidence?
Yeah. I thought so. Carry on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:29 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: L, Elle at May 25, 2016 09:29 PM (6IPEM)
Freedom? Freedom? That is a worship word. Yang worship. You will not speak it.
Posted by: Cloud William at May 25, 2016 09:29 PM (k4M/B)
The only reason I can see to support her -- and believe me, this
occurred to me -- is if you believe Trump is doomed anyway and you wish
to make yourself a small target in Hillary's ever-growing list of
targets for vengeance.
A completely rational and practical reason.
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you're just hoping to be disposed of last.
as a Cold War combat arms veteran, NRA Life Member and GOP registered voter since i was old enough to vote, i have no illusions.
go ahead and die your thousand deaths #NeverTrumpers: you know what you are.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2016 09:30 PM (8Y4jo)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (1ZOkK)
I turned around to look longingly in Mario Rufio's eyes one last time, and was turned into a pillar of salsa.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:30 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:27 PM (VquEu)
A vote of no confidence. When is Parliament in session? And do you really think the Vichy Republicans will oppose the Beast?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2016 09:30 PM (45oDG)
Actually I do believe she'll be more "respecting of the law or
Constitution" than Trump. Well, at least he'll be worse. He's never read
it or even shown any effort to obey the law. Hell, at least she tries
to cover up her crimes. Trump isn't even embarrassed by his.
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
I can't even....ARE YOU KIDDING? I pray to God you don't have anyone you love serving in the military. Do you know how she and her rapist husband hated, and still hate, them? She'll be "more respecting of the law or Constitution" when she's proven time and time again she DOESN'T???!
"AT LEAST SHE TRIES TO COVER UP HER CRIMES."
Thanks for your opinions, Every Evil Dictator Ever.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (1ZOkK)
That fight is lost for now Hrothgar...
we need to lick our wounds and elect someone the Donks will hate Constitutionally so we can *go there* and point out "both these assholes" (Obama and Trump) use our liberty and founding document as toilet paper...
we need to get back to rule of law.
That won't work if Grammy H is giving 'em what they want.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (g8Hfr)
We passed the exit for respecting the law or the Constitution in 2008.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (6Ll1u)
I don't believe that for a second, but I do believe her illegal activities are going to catch up with her and she'll get the boot, with her VP pick taking over and the county voting for a good conservative in 2020.
I refuse to vote for her or Trump.
#nevertrump
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (ITvKk)
Posted by: L, Elle at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (6IPEM)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:22 PM
Yes, I agree. But the way you threw that stink bomb into the pool without explanation or preamble is trolling.
Chumming the waters, throwing out bait and see who you can stir up.
Posted by: HyperMania1637 at May 25, 2016 09:24 PM (7B8m0)
No.
I said it to counter the argument that adhering to the Constitution is the paramount ruler to use when measuring people or anything.
It is not.
The Constitution is just a thing constructed by people and it is unwise to get too attached to it.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (mR7Es)
I lolled.
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (qUNWi)
IG : Mrs. Clinton, we'd like to have a word please.
Hillbag: I'm sorry, I don't speak to little people.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (9mTYi)
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I wonder what would have happened if, when it was revealed that the IRS was being used as a weapon, 50% of the worker bees had resigned. Or 10%. Or 2%.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (Nwg0u)
In other words, following the Constitution is of less importance than getting your way. That is what I thought you said.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (bZ7mE)
No, hit me any time.
I just had to go looking upstream to see if I said something.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (Q6v1c)
In the same way that RuPaul is "kind of" gay.
Bruce with a wang!: "I thought he was articulate and made interesting comments."
Cunning, I think, is the better adjective. He was sly and manipulative, and didn't argue in good faith. He'd pull any shit he had to, to score points for his boy.
Who is now my boy, btw. But it doesn't change the fact that I don't think GoK ever really added, constructively, to the conversation.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (+EU58)
Constitution" than Trump. Well, at least he'll be worse. He's never read
it or even shown any effort to obey the law. Hell, at least she tries
to cover up her crimes. Trump isn't even embarrassed by his.
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
Jeffrey Dahmer tried to cover up his crimes too.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (1ZOkK)
She's completely evil. bout so is Trump.
I will never surrender my right to criticize Emperor Trump, and no one should ever ask me to.
he's against free speech. I will not submit. EVER.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (1ZOkK) fnord (1ZOkK)
I said that for years, I eventually got hoarse, but nothing changed.
The tribes change around a bit, but tribal warfare is eternal.
It's more important to have someone close by to believe you are superior to than it is to accomplish *anything*.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (wB8Tg)
I, for example interpret that as "say things about me without being challenged" - but you can interpret that in a more exotic "trump is a dictator11!!" manner as you are doing
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (ITvKk)
Dude. Get help.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:26 PM (1ZOkK)
^^^^^^^^^^^
This x 1,000,000!
Hillary, Bernie, Democrats, and Progressives are a target rich environment that can be exploited so that even the LiV would have no excuse for signing on to this evil personified.
Of course they did vote Obama back in so, maybe not!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (6Ll1u)
Let me know when you figure out that Congressional hearings != legal proceedings.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (oKE6c)
I refuse to vote for her or Trump.
#nevertrump
Posted by: SGT York
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Concern:
Noted [X]
Not Noted [ ]
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (9mTYi)
The nation wouldn't have fallen so far if good men and women had accepted that they are political whores and voted for the lesser of two evils and stopped Clennis in '92 by rejecting the hand grenade with a bad haircut and Beijing "Doper" Clinton.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (g8Hfr)
Seriously? Is that you, Ezra Klein?
Posted by: no good deed at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (9nt94)
Cunning, I think, is the better adjective. He was sly and manipulative, and didn't argue in good faith. He'd pull any shit he had to, to score points for his boy.
Who is now my boy, btw. But it doesn't change the fact that I don't think GoK ever really added, constructively, to the conversation.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (+EU5
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I dont think YOU ever added anything to the conversation. Obviously, he kicked your ass. Get over it.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (wnwJC)
Not LITERALLY, as a religious icon, no.
But that is not what anyone meant.
The Constitution should be followed, most of all by leaders, and people like Trump should pay due deference to it. Hell, he should at least mention it from time to time in his rallies.
And *often*, the phrase "the Constitution should not be worshipped" is used as a justification for why it should be ignored. If that is not what you meant, then fine.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (uAvJJ)
Which makes me wonder why so many people I saw making the claim that '2012 was the last chance to Save The Republic' are now saying that THIS is the For Realz last chance.
(I happen to think they were right back then)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:35 PM (NvC7m)
Trump = Tienanmen Square.
Got it... Don't mind me, I'm just making a list.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:35 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 09:35 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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I was told there would be no programming skills required here.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 09:35 PM (9mTYi)
What ever you do, dont declare yourself "principled" -- you've been warned!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:35 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Chumps For Trump at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
That is simply delusional.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (sdi6R)
"A Republic No More" by Jay Cost. I'm barely halfway through it and don't have the heart to finish it. It sits on the end table next to the comfy chair.
Posted by: HyperMania1637 at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (7B8m0)
210 The Constitution is just a thing constructed by people and it is unwise to get too attached to it.
Seriously? Is that you, Ezra Klein?
Posted by: no good deed at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (9nt94)
If you get too attached to something, you can be blind to its faults and it can be used against you.
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: Cheri at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (TmVQX)
Jeffrey always cleaned his plate. He was a good boy that way.
Posted by: Momma Dahmer at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (NvC7m)
He was on a very short leash, due to earlier antics, and shot his keyboard off again calling for death for a very public figure.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (Q6v1c)
Trump has said all kinds of shit, HRC suborned the entire Federal Government in her felonious e-mail mess just to avoid the FOIA trail pointing at CGI pay for play at best and hiding her status as an PLA officer at worst.
Posted by: DaveA at May 25, 2016 09:37 PM (DL2i+)
Constitution" than Trump. Well, at least he'll be worse. He's never read
it or even shown any effort to obey the law. Hell, at least she tries
to cover up her crimes. Trump isn't even embarrassed by his.
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
Uh, what crimes has he committed?
Posted by: Josephistan at May 25, 2016 09:37 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: ok, thanks, bye at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (YidWJ)
He wants the federal government to exploit all federal lands for the profit and benefit of the federal government.
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:32 PM (oKE6c)
With a lid. Spooned gravy over them as well.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (wnwJC)
We can't spare this man, he fights.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (Q6v1c)
I like to call them "Trumpchumps".
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (ITvKk)
****
That Dale Carnegie course in Winning Friends and Influencing People is obviously really paying off for you.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (YLidQ)
"Hell, at least she tries to cover up her crimes."
Behold and stand in awe of one of the douchiest statements ever.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (1ZOkK)
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And, as far as I know, he respected the constitution. True, he had something of an extreme paleo diet, but he was no Hillary.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: DangerDad at May 25, 2016 09:25 PM (+SABX)
Dayum, you're right! For a minute there, I had completely forgot about how Trump (acting in his elected official capacity) left American citizens to die in Benghazi, hid (and then tried to destroy) a personal server chock full of vital National Security information, and accepted millions of dollars from foreign agents.
I'm putting a Hillary 2016 bumper sticker on my Escalade right now, BBL!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 25, 2016 09:39 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:39 PM (Q6v1c)
He wants the federal government to exploit all federal lands for the profit and benefit of the federal government.
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:38 PM (VquEu)
Fortunately, the Reds respect private property. They're known for that. Your concern is duly noted.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:39 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: oh,k,tnx,bye at May 25, 2016 09:40 PM (YidWJ)
Noted [X]
Not Noted [ ]
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (9mTYi)
Luv ya, but they really are both so uniquely awful that it's counterproductive to make fun of folks who refuse to vote for either.
Maybe Trump could spend some of the next few months trying to earn our votes. He's applying for a job, and we're the boss. He needs to act like he wants our vote.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:40 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:40 PM (1ZOkK)
The Constitution can beviolated when doing so will bring about a desireable result?
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:40 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 09:41 PM (wnwJC)
Posted by: DaveA at May 25, 2016 09:37 PM (DL2i+)
The irony, of course, is people getting worked up about what Trump SAID about stuff having to do with free speech, and for that, he is branded worse than Hitlerstalin.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:41 PM (Dj0WE)
Why did GoK get banned? Yeah he was repetitious, but no more so than Redbanzai, Chemjeff, or Danube. Anyone know details?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 09:35 PM (kTF2Z)
He made a death threat/wish against Her Scankles.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:41 PM (uAvJJ)
He was on a very short leash, due to earlier antics, and shot his keyboard off again calling for death for a very public figure.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (Q6v1c)
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Well, that'll do it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:33 PM (ITvKk)
Hillary offers you her protection.
Posted by: Huma Dynamite at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (cmE8J)
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
++++++++
Well, tonight Jupiter is aligned with Mars but their aint no fckin peace or love!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:40 PM (1ZOkK)
I see you're familiar with the puppy-human colony in the UK
Posted by: Josephistan at May 25, 2016 09:43 PM (7qAYi)
242 Damn, what a stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:40 PM (1ZOkK)
I see you're familiar with the puppy-human colony in the UK
Posted by: Josephistan at May 25, 2016 09:43 PM (7qAYi)
Thanks for reminding me. NOT.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:43 PM (1ZOkK)
i think Trump winning will all the sudden make constitutionalist out of all the senate, congress, media, and peoples in a big swoop.
all the sudden people will CARE they are being stomped into the dirt!
only a jerk with an R can do this!
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (NvC7m)
Because I don't think that was even remotely possible.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (VquEu)
Newsflash: Reds ARE totalitarians, by definition. The term comes from Mussolini, who offered care "from cradle to grave." It was an honorific at the time. It only took on a pejorative connotation when the outcome became apparent.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (oKE6c)
Very relative. "Desirable" to who?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (VquEu)
And Communists aren't. Good to know.
Posted by: Josephistan at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (7qAYi)
It is the epitome of anti-intellectualism to assume that just because I'm against one, must mean I'm in favor of another.
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (ITvKk)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:42 PM (VquEu)
Vote for me, and all your wildest dreams will come true.
Posted by: Hillary at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: DangerDad
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Your funny.
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 25, 2016 09:45 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:45 PM (iynDC)
Because I don't think that was even remotely possible.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (sdi6R)
I have to agree. In principle I thought he would be the best for the job, but as a practical matter, I didn't believe he had a dog's chance of winning.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:45 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:45 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:36 PM (mR7Es)
Yes, this is an example of the Trump folks blowing off the constitution.
It scares the shit out of me.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:46 PM (ozZau)
eh, i think i'll go make tea and sit outsid and laugh at our plight.
love you guys.
peace
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:45 PM (iynDC)
Excellent idea. I believe I'll go sit in the screened porch and sip a cold beverage and listen to the night creatures.
'Night, willow.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 09:46 PM (1ZOkK)
To eman, or whoever is answering the question.Shouldthe Constitution be wilfully violated in order to do good?
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (Q6v1c)
Voting for Trump - Russian roulette with one round.
Voting for Hillary - Russian roulette with five rounds.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:34 PM (oKE6c)
As far as I can tell, the purpose of Congressional hearings is to provide air time for ugly stupid bloviating worthless politicians while simultaneously ensuring that no facts whatsoever are allowed to come to light!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (J3phO)
That some people vote or support a candidate based solely on that reasoning is why this country finds itself in its current mess.
Lick boots if you must, I prefer my dignity.
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (ITvKk)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (e3bId)
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Will it be one of those laughs like you hear walking by the asylum at midnight during a full moon?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (uAvJJ)
It scares the shit out of me.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:46 PM (ozZau)
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Please cite a relevant example of why yous so skeered. Use links and supporting facts.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (VquEu)
Because I don't think that was even remotely possible.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (sdi6R)
I have to agree. In principle I thought he would be the best for the job, but as a practical matter, I didn't believe he had a dog's chance of winning.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 25, 2016 09:45 PM (oKE6c)
I like Ted Cruz, but realize I am in a slim minority.
That our Presidential elections are this far removed from any real connection to what is the right course of action is not a revelation to me, so I'm not even remotely disappointed in the results of this campaign season.
Disappointment is a useless emotion. It's what you do when you haven't quite come to grips with reality.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (Dj0WE)
To be honest, I don't really feel as though my ass has been kicked, though. It's a bit of a kick in the nuts, resigning myself to once again hold my nose, to vote for DJT; but as important as I think GoK thought he was, I don't think he's the one that delivered that kick.
Maybe you can show me where I received that ass-kicking.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 09:49 PM (+EU58)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:49 PM (Nwg0u)
Make that a 30 round magazine for Hillary and you've got a newsletter subscriber!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (Nwg0u)
absolutely
--
night chem,
it was nice seeing you
Ricardo.
Posted by: willow at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (iynDC)
Posted by: Rectum D.N.K.Him at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (qmou8)
Posted by: SGT York at May 25, 2016 09:47 PM (ITvKk)
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President Clinton II wants you to know she thanked you for your support. Now, get on the boxcar.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (YLidQ)
Sadly, and someone please remind me why as I've forgotten or repressed the reasons, I remain absolutely convinced that T. rump is somehow in on the fix!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (kP16F)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:50 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Roxy Raye at May 25, 2016 09:51 PM (DW+jj)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 25, 2016 09:51 PM (ej1L0)
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Dignity. I've heard of that.
It's for people who have other things to worry about than engaging in endless rounds of circular firing squads on the Internet.
Or maybe that's despair. I can't tell anymore honestly.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 25, 2016 09:51 PM (D0J8L)
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 09:31 PM (mR7Es)
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Constructed by people. True. The foundation on which the nation was structured. Also true. The line in the sand between government and the people. Also true.
I am attached to it.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 09:51 PM (dFi94)
I'm enjoying his cover of "Polka Dots and Moonbeams".
Now he's going into "All The Way".
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 09:51 PM (sdi6R)
conscience in supporting him and it's painful otherwise they wouldn't be
so defensive when exposed to his myriad flaws.
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (VquEu)
Yes, let the butthurt flow through you.
Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at May 25, 2016 09:52 PM (cmE8J)
Calling for death or murder? Because I dont see where calling for death by natural causes is wrong. Maybe impolite but it certainly wont cause death. I and others have predicted death by natural candidates bc frankly it is an issue.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:52 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 09:52 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 09:48 PM (VquEu)
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No, we are looking at Her Royal Thighness and saying "is Trump better than this?". Yes, yes he is.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:53 PM (YLidQ)
To be honest, I don't really feel as though my ass has been kicked, though. It's a bit of a kick in the nuts, resigning myself to once again hold my nose, to vote for DJT; but as important as I think GoK thought he was, I don't think he's the one that delivered that kick.
Maybe you can show me where I received that ass-kicking.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 09:49 PM (+EU5
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We arent, asshole. But I've seen him the target of a lot of shit he didnt deserve. Go read your own stupid comments.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:53 PM (iQIUe)
Him say Lizzy speaks with forked tongue. That hurts heap big time
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2016 09:54 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 09:55 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: eleven at May 25, 2016 09:55 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:55 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 25, 2016 09:56 PM (k4M/B)
You see, we're at a strange point in our electoral politics. This election is literally the "Establishment" who is the coalesced two major parties vs. the "outsiders" who are those who've realized this is bullshit and want to take a lead pipe to its knee. Ideology is taking a back seat to seeing who can kick the other's ass and, thus, rule this country.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:56 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:53 PM (YLidQ)
Okay, please show your work.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:56 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:56 PM (iQIUe)
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Him say Lizzy speaks with forked tongue. That hurts heap big time
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2016 09:54 PM (45oDG)
There he goes again, attackin' the Constitution!
Everyone knows her people invented the Constitution. They call it maize.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 09:56 PM (Dj0WE)
You can't trust her not to strangle a child.
Posted by: Trump's Stubby Fingers at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (SJ184)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (/tuJf)
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Her
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (Nwg0u)
I've got just the thing for that. It's a special salve I came up with to sooth wrecked browneyes.
Posted by: Roxy Raye at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (DW+jj)
Hilary is tacking even further left.
Donald talks a good game and is a wildcard.
Advantage - Crazy Willy Wonka
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (R5HRU)
Indubitably.
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (6Ll1u)
Because I don't think that was even remotely possible.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 09:44 PM (sdi6R)
Cruz was polling much better nationally than Trump at the time, and better than Hillary in some polls, so it was rational not to settle at that time for the orange caudillo. Plus that little thing that Cruz could actually make a great president, but never mind that. How silly to be concerned with that!
Trump is polling much better now, and I think he can win, but it's an Ebola vs Cancer race now. You can live with cancer much longer than ebola, so pick your fatal disease.
Trump is winning with the low-info electorate we have now, and for that reason he has what it takes to win. That's great, seriously, except that he's a steaming pile of NYC statist shit with a sprinkling of Chavez.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (ozZau)
We should have never let you guys into Rock Ridge, but anyway, I think it's some type of spaghetti.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (wnwJC)
Donald talks a good game and is a wildcard.
Advantage - Crazy Willy Wonka
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (R5HRU)
I don't think he is as "wild" as you all are making him out to be.
But please, demonstrate, with facts and links, why Trump is better than Hillary.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (uAvJJ)
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And lied to their mothers and loved ones. Then lied about lying to them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Trump's Stubby Fingers at May 25, 2016 09:57 PM (SJ184)
IT'S NOT A CHILD, IT'S A CLUMP OF NON-VIABLE TISSUE!!
Posted by: Planned Abortionhood at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:56 PM (uAvJJ)
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I have done this more times than I can count. Not doing it again for you, Libertarian with a VP Gun Grabber running with him guy.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (YLidQ)
I and others have predicted death by natural causes bc frankly it is an issue....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (iQIUe)
It was (finally) so warm that we could set up the kiddie pool. The two year old is being potty trained and he was delighted to test his new skills out in the pool.
This has nothing to do with politics. I just wanted to remind myself that there is life out there. A lot of it is really good.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (dFi94)
Gramps, what did you do in the flame wars of 2016?
Well, sonny, I was a bitchtypist.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (kTF2Z)
This makes more sense than anything else I've heard.
Thank you.
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (qUNWi)
There's always that ONE girl from your past. She was fun, the sex was great, you got along great.....but she cussed too much and momma wouldn't approve.
But you still think about her.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:00 PM (Q6v1c)
they both take a dump
there are now two piles of shit in the yard
some will consider the piles of shit
others will consider neither
and will be ridiculed.
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 10:00 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 25, 2016 10:00 PM (kP16F)
doing it again for you, Libertarian with a VP Gun Grabber running with
him guy.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (YLidQ)
No you haven't. You have not laid out the case how Trump is better than Hillary, with facts and links.
And no I am not supporting the Libertarian either.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:00 PM (uAvJJ)
But please, demonstrate, with facts and links, why Trump is better than Hillary.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (uAvJJ)
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Sure. Just as soon as you verify with links all of the things you have stated with absolute certainy that Trump "will do". Get to fucking work.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:01 PM (YLidQ)
Trump promises to do some things that would help the country. Hillary promises to do things to further wreck the country.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 10:01 PM (bZ7mE)
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And lied to their mothers and loved ones. Then lied about lying to them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (Nwg0u)
But, you know, Trump implied a media dame might be on the rag, so... moral equivalence.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:01 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Vince Foster at May 25, 2016 10:02 PM (12kBq)
the things you have stated with absolute certainy that Trump "will do".
Get to fucking work.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:01 PM (YLidQ)
So I will take that as a "no" that you cannot make your case.
I have never said that Trump will "with absolute certainty" do anything. I have made predictions, like many others have.
You are just distracting and deflecting.
Go ahead, make your case. Prove how Trump is better than Hillary.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:02 PM (uAvJJ)
chem, I like you and I don't want to get into a pissing match with you.
But Hilary tacking further into hammer and sickle land is enough for me to cast my lot with the crazy fucker who doesn't think things through.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (vb33c)
I guess I picked the right week to go completely off the grid and establish a new identity.
The new identity I have chosen?
. . .
. . .
"NotSharkman"
What do you think?
Posted by: Sharkman at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (CS7jF)
Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (12kBq)
And no I am not supporting the Libertarian either.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:00 PM (uAvJJ)
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Yeah, I have. "There are none so blind as those that discredit what they see because they have an agenda."
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: Afroman at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (AwmVj)
You are a true aural masochist.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 09:55 PM (NvC7m)
Oh, this is cool. I can see where this is on a direct line from his earlier albums "Love and Theft" and "Modern Times", where his original songs explored early-to-mid 20th century sounding music. Now he's gone right to the source and is actually covering those songs.
"All or Nothing at All" on now. I'm liking this.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (sdi6R)
.Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (uAvJJ)
<<<
Oh, please...
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: JTB at May 25, 2016 10:04 PM (V+03K)
"NotSharkman"
What do you think?
Posted by: Sharkman at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (CS7jF)
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I like it. Maybe make it plural.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:04 PM (dFi94)
have now, and for that reason he has what it takes to win. That's great,
seriously, except that he's a steaming pile of NYC statist shit with a
sprinkling of Chavez.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (ozZau)
Having some difficulty in finding that in his published platform. Though, I have to admit that national CCW reciprocity is pretty leftwing, but not as chavezista as using a hot barrel to make bacon soggy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 10:04 PM (iYTlX)
Gah. Douche-chills -- must fight through the douche-chills and nausea.
Probability that Hillary, if elected, will nominate a healthy 40-year-old female communist with a family history of very long life to SCOTUS: 1.0.
Probability that Trump, if elected, will nominate a constitutionalist conservative to SCOTUS: 0.40.
Now, if Cruz had been elected, that 0.40 would instead be a 0.98. (There's always the danger of a stealth liberal, it's happened many times.) But 0.40 -- I'll take that. If Hillary wins, we've lost SCOTUS for at least 30 years. That right there -- that's a game changer.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be right over here, puking into this 5-gallon bucket.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 10:04 PM (+EU58)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 25, 2016 10:04 PM (ucDmr)
Squaw helped build heap big teepees and make wampum for braves. Funny way of saying she make fast buck flipping houses
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2016 10:05 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: Sean Connery at May 25, 2016 10:05 PM (12kBq)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 25, 2016 10:05 PM (k4M/B)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (YLidQ)
No you haven't. Most of what you post is just wishcasting, like most of the pro-Trump folks.
So make your case now. Show how Trump is better than Hillary. It should be a slam-dunk, no?
Why are you so afraid of this challenge?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:05 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:06 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:06 PM (3se1p)
Shitload of pissed off Bernie supporters mang. Hilary has to appeal to them, she'll grab hammer and sickle if she has to.
The real magic, you see, will be when she tries to walk that shit back.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (R5HRU)
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You're welcome, chavez. I hope the good weather has made it up your way. Long time coming.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (dFi94)
I have never said that Trump will "with absolute certainty" do anything. I have made predictions, like many others have.
You are just distracting and deflecting.
Go ahead, make your case. Prove how Trump is better than Hillary.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:02 PM (uAvJJ)
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You have never said "Trump will do...xxx" without equivocqtion. Are you fucking kidding me? I have called you out on this myself dozens of times, and you then posture back to that which you now accuse me of, deflection and inversion.
You true Lefists fucks who refuse to admit it really do irritate me, Professor.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:05 PM (uAvJJ)
No one's afraid of you, smartguy.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 10:08 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 10:08 PM (wnwJC)
Never do the crabfish special. It's going to be old meat.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:08 PM (Q6v1c)
I may not like Trump, but the man fights. That is more than I can say about the GOP lately.
Posted by: Picric at May 25, 2016 10:08 PM (s0VSd)
Trump's list of eleven supreme court candidates is excellent. Does that not mean anything, chemjeff?
Posted by: Afroman at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (AwmVj)
Yes, I like his list. That is an argument in his favor.
I wish that I could believe that he wouldn't later change his mind if he actually obtained power. His proclivity to change his mind often speaks against his trustworthiness on this matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:08 PM (uAvJJ)
That so-called 'list' is just proof that he might pick someone else!
Posted by: t-bird at May 25, 2016 10:09 PM (yddCj)
I'm guessing they show the staff video of my 'suicide'Posted by: Vince Foster at May 25, 2016 10:02 PM (12kBq)
Y'know, I wouldn't put that beneath them!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 25, 2016 10:09 PM (kP16F)
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (bZ7mE)
Thanks.
I'm just going on his support for Kelo, his several statements that people shouldnt be allowed to say certain things, his affection for Putin, and his support for the Chinese massacre at Tiananmen square. He though the it was cool. I differ.
I'm glad he's fighting Hillary with a poisoned knife, but don't ever think he won't do that to us too if we protest him.
Look, I live close to Mexico, and have relatives who grew up there. This clown is the old school Latin caudillo if I ever saw one. he even has all the mannerisms down, plus the rallies, the vain hair--it's textbook.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (ozZau)
Trump is winning with the low-info electorate we have now, and for that reason he has what it takes to win.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (ozZau)
EXACTLY. That's what I've been saying all along. Trump can appeal to LIVs, while Cruz can't.
Like it or not, they are a sizable portion of the electorate. And growing, thanks to open borders and our wonderful educational system.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (sdi6R)
Hey, I said that earlier.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:02 PM (uAvJJ)
Jeff, no one gives a fuck. You're just another troll at this point.
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (cmE8J)
He get in
Put strict constructionists on the bench
Stop the flow of scum over the border and start massive deportations of illegals
Kill TPP and if there's a way, get us the bell out of nafta, gatt and all the other soveriegnty killing, "trade deals"
And, be still my heart, an audit of the fed
That's just for starters
Proper care of our vets
Make Allen West Sec Def and tell him to clean house
Sarah, interior is yours, fix it.
Kris Kobach might make a fine AG.
No one ever connected with the CFR in the administration or within 10 miles of State.
Actually a lot of the never trumpers would hate most of that.
Posted by: teej at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (ijopM)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 10:10 PM (kTF2Z)
I wish that I could believe that he wouldn't later change his mind if he actually obtained power. His proclivity to change his mind often speaks against his trustworthiness on this matter.
Somebody went to the trouble of answering your question on good faith and that's your response? Why should anyone bother reasoning with you?
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:11 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 25, 2016 10:11 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:11 PM (sdi6R)
It is not.
The Constitution is just a thing constructed by people and it is unwise to get too attached to it."
What was the point in opposing the GOPe again? Apparently, there wasn't one.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 25, 2016 10:11 PM (KF8B+)
Posted by: fringe at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (+GIZJ)
Oh, such a limited point of view.
Posted by: "Pooh" at May 25, 2016 10:11 PM (J3UIw)
Anybody could do anything. Harriet Myers.
But, his list is better than any Hillary could produce.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:12 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Craig Livingstone at May 25, 2016 10:12 PM (3b9U4)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:12 PM (qUNWi)
What do you think?
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Could be stronger. Something like "NotSharkmanIDon'tEvenKnowThatCrazyFvckerStopLookingAtMe."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 10:13 PM (Nwg0u)
And I may bite your ring off.
Stick it all the way, and I
Might bite the whole darn thing off.
Posted by: Snaillary Clinton at May 25, 2016 10:13 PM (WxY7/)
Poor SaltyDog is being chased around by tornadoes as we speak.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 10:13 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Planned Abortionhood at May 25, 2016 09:59 PM (Dj0WE)
Don't forget the salable parts component!
Your Lamborghini is on order, you know!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 25, 2016 10:13 PM (J3phO)
Now where did those goalposts go?
I could have sworn they were RIGHT here!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:13 PM (Dj0WE)
Is he?
I haven't seen anything from either of them in a while. I was pullin' for the guy.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:13 PM (Q6v1c)
You have never said "Trump will do...xxx"
without equivocqtion. Are you fucking kidding me? I have called you out
on this myself dozens of times, and you then posture back to that which
you now accuse me of, deflection and inversion.
You true Lefists fucks who refuse to admit it really do irritate me, Professor.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:07 PM (YLidQ)
Oh and now we are getting to the crux of the matter. You think I am some "true Leftist" mole or something, and why? because of my title? Do you think every professor is some raving Marxist or something? I am outside your tribe so therefore I"m part of the enemy, right?
And no I have never said that I believe Trump will do anything "with absolute certainty" as you postulated. I have made predictions just as others have.
And you still won't address the challenge. Demonstrate how Trump is better than Hillary. No wishcasting, no bullshit. Use facts and links and data.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:14 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:14 PM (sdi6R)
And what do you suppose is the probability that Hillary would nominate a conservative?
If your first number is bigger than your second, then I don't think you have any choice here. Welcome to the TrumpChumps. if your second number is bigger, then hey, don't bogart that joint, my friend, pass it over to me.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 25, 2016 10:14 PM (+EU58)
Because I don't think that was even remotely possible."
The exact same reason that Trump, with the highest negatives in history, has managed to claw his way back to about where Cruz was in the polls.
Because Hillary sucks and the Democrats are divided-its not a matter of personal popularity (most people hate Trump), its a matter of not having even more unfavorables that Hillary.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 25, 2016 10:14 PM (KF8B+)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (cmE8J)
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I admit, I'm a little fascinated by Grant. This quotation really does fit Trump and the situation in which we find ourselves. He fights. I'll give him that. Can't really say that about our last two candidates.
I'll put that in his plus column. That lonely column needs every entry it can get.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (k4M/B)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (tEDMc)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 25, 2016 10:15 PM (VquEu)
I've been sitting outside on the screened porch, listening to the little green tree frogs barking (always funny how such tiny, cute creatures make such loud sounds), and the night birds.
Counting my blessings that our family is whole, son is moving into a safe neighborhood today/tonight, and I have good friends surrounding me.
Anyhow, I just had to drop in and say these things.
This election year will pass. It chills me to my bones what may come.
Anyhow, grab whatever peace you can and savor it. Love to you all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 10:16 PM (1ZOkK)
Sniff. That's just beautiful man. Pure poetry. They should put it on her headstone
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:16 PM (zOTsN)
Which you will ignore, when someone played your pretentious little game on this very thread.
Posted by: dishonesty, thy name is chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:16 PM (vsLAs)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:16 PM (qUNWi)
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sophistry. intellectual laziness worthy of ridicule.
the fact is any of his proposed picks could have unforeseen issues or could themselves decline the offer, yet you would hold his success or failure based on 11 people who are not him, judged by persons generally opposed to him at the outset.
quit pulling excuses from your bum and grow up.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:17 PM (Cq0oW)
I didn't move any goalposts. I acknowledged that his list was a point in his favor, did I not? Do I not get credit for that?
I also pointed out that his list, while admirable, should be judged in the context of his other changes in position on other issues.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:17 PM (uAvJJ)
10. He's not married to Bill Clinton
9. Chelsea is not his daughter.
8. He can climb stairs by himself.
...and so on...
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 10:17 PM (MQEz6)
Grant wasn't any kind of grand strategist. But he was persistent and vigilant. He would ram through the opposition, not with grand strategery, but brute force. He didn't quit. Dog with a bone. Not pretty. But ultimately effective.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:18 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 09:58 PM (wnwJC)
Interesting to know where that crap comes from, thanks.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:18 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 25, 2016 10:18 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:18 PM (cmE8J)
The Dishonorable DJT @AceofSpadesHQ 31m31 minutes ago
Trump's Negatives:
Braggart
Immature
Reckless
Lazy
Dumb
Hillary's Negatives:
Treason
Serial Criminality
Nixon-Level Paranoia
Light Murder
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 10:18 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: D. Trump at May 25, 2016 10:19 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:19 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:17 PM (uAvJJ)
Your credit's no good here. Cash only.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:19 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 10:19 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:14 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
Oh, GFY. This has been done for months with you.
Make the case for your candidate, Gary Johnson. Ya know, the one running with a gun grabber as his VP. You have stated that you are voting L, right? Sell me on that 3% max dream ticket. State your case.
Good luck.
Your turn.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:19 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (1ZOkK)
The exact same reason that Trump, with the highest negatives in history, has managed to claw his way back to about where Cruz was in the polls.
Because Hillary sucks and the Democrats are divided-its not a matter of personal popularity (most people hate Trump), its a matter of not having even more unfavorables that Hillary.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 25, 2016 10:14 PM (KF8B+)
Trump may win or he may lose. It's up in the air at this point.
I see NO way Cruz could have won.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a conservative bubble and is out of touch with large portions of the electorate.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (sdi6R)
Yes, I like his list. That is an argument in his favor.
I wish that I could believe that he wouldn't later change his mind if he actually obtained power. His proclivity to change his mind often speaks against his trustworthiness on this matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:08 PM (uAvJJ)
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It's the same argument, cj. With Hillary we know with 100% certainty what kind of justice will replace Scalia. With Trump, we don't know.
I don't think Trump cares that much about SCOTUS --- he has no real political philosophy. So I think this is one place where he might throw conservatives a bone or at least pay back the NRA for their support.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (T/5A0)
Our Constitution is part of the bedrock of the country. That bedrock consists of this:
The Declaration of Independence--the WHY.
The Bill of Rights--that which is inalienable for all.
The Constitution--the blueprint.
Adherence to these precepts has allowed us to flourish so far as to become the most exceptional country and people on the planet.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (X35Yt)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (tEDMc)
#Neverhyena
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (zOTsN)
10. He's not married to Bill Clinton
9. Chelsea is not his daughter.
8. He can climb stairs by himself.
...and so on...
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 10:17 PM (MQEz6)
7. Private sector experience, which was SO important last time 'round.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:21 PM (Dj0WE)
Yeah, no.
This woman is evil. I don't even think her husband is evil. Amoral, yes, but not evil. She's evil.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Very. Evil. O'Rourke done shit his bed with that comment.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:21 PM (Ycgco)
I've been sitting outside on the screened porch, listening to the little green tree frogs barking (always funny how such tiny, cute creatures make such loud sounds), and the night birds.
Counting my blessings that our family is whole, son is moving into a safe neighborhood today/tonight, and I have good friends surrounding me.
Anyhow, I just had to drop in and say these things.
This election year will pass. It chills me to my bones what may come.
Anyhow, grab whatever peace you can and savor it. Love to you all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 25, 2016 10:16 PM (1ZOkK)
Yep, I count my blessings as one of the most fortunate humans to have ever walked the earth. It's always good to have a reminder of those blessings though. Thanks.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:21 PM (ozZau)
Someone did address your goddamn challenge Jeff.
You blew it off.
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:16 PM (qUNWi)
I didn't blow it off. I acknowledged it.
I also offered a potential negative against Trump. That he changes his mind capriciously. I don't think that is in doubt, is it?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:21 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
*hic*
Posted by: Ulysses S Grant at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (WxY7/)
Posted by: Chumps For Trump at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: JTB at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (V+03K)
I'm not voting for Gary Johnson.
And this is your standard MO. You just criticize others without offering anything of substance for you to stand on.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (Q6v1c)
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I spent a long weekend in Grant's hometown last fall. Gorgeous town on the Mississippi River. The museum there - well, I'll just say I was in there for hours. Got a pile of books, and a set of Union soldiers. I know, I know.
My mom and step-dad got married in Grant's church.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:23 PM (cmE8J)
I see NO way Cruz could have won.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a conservative bubble and is out of touch with large portions of the electorate.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (sdi6R)
I have to agree. I saw no way of Cruz winning. He just does not motivate people.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:23 PM (Ycgco)
Girl Franpsycho graduated from San Francisco Unified School District high school last night.
JROTC posted the colors.
Everyone pledged allegiance to the flag.
Everyone sang the national anthem.
The only partisan speech was from the Bored of Ed. hack.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (EZebt)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (tEDMc)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (uAvJJ)
You pretty much hit it on the head there. Trump is fairly rotten human being in a Typical Reality TV Star kind of way. Hillary is a treasonous criminal who would seek to undermine the national interest in favor of her own, and would quickly destroy the 1st and 2nd Amendments, finally getting that pesky Constitution out of their way forever.
We have a civic duty to make sure Hillary never gets in office. Even if Trump is the only alternative.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (HalrA)
Yeah, no.
This woman is evil. I don't even think her husband is evil. Amoral, yes, but not evil. She's evil.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 08:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Very. Evil. O'Rourke done shit his bed with that comment.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:21 PM (Ycgco)
I give him a pass on it. He was trying to be droll, sitting around with his liberal friends on some silly NPR show.
We all say dumb things at times. Even me...
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Weasel at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (e3bId)
Dude, you so had me at "expletives."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:25 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Craig Livingstone at May 25, 2016 10:25 PM (3b9U4)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:25 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:25 PM (Ycgco)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 25, 2016 10:25 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (zOTsN)
This.
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:25 PM (7lVbc)
Hillary should be in a secured home for mental illness and criminality, but mostly criminality.
Posted by: Fritz at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (f40FU)
I'm not trolling anyone.
If anything, you are the one trolling me.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM (uAvJJ)
Only idiots think crossbows are better than longbows.
Posted by: Trollo the Troll at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (J3UIw)
Grant was arguably after General Greene America's best strategist until Eisenhower.
Not hyperbole....
Grant figured out how to skin every cat he ever was presented.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (3se1p)
Posted by: ThunderB
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I'm not a Trump enemy, but I do think that he is a boorishly egotistical bumbling doofus.
What he isn't is a grasping, power-hungry, criminally corrupt oligarch. Ergo, if it's Teh Donald vs. Hillhag, Donny gets the nod.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (RrDm2)
Yawn. Your repetitive trolling has become boring.
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (qUNWi)
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That's awesome! Congrats to the grad. Sorry about the hack, but hey- sounds like you came out ahead.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:26 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 10:27 PM (wnwJC)
You didn't prove, with facts and links, why this "potential" is worse than Hillary's guaranteed hard-left SC pick.
Ante up, superstar.
Posted by: dishonesty, thy name is chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:27 PM (vsLAs)
Posted by: Afroman at May 25, 2016 10:27 PM (AwmVj)
I don't think Trump cares that much about SCOTUS --- he has no real political philosophy. So I think this is one place where he might throw conservatives a bone or at least pay back the NRA for their support.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 25, 2016 10:20 PM (T/5A0)
totes agree. t doesn't help though that Trump walked back his NRA gun free zones speech the next day.
The problem with people who have no principles is that in this day and age they inevitably drift to he left. Always.
The gov is left, the media are left, and everyone in DC who doesn't have strong principles goes left. Always.
If you ain't anchored, you will be driftin', as the song says.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:28 PM (ozZau)
I want her to live a very long life and if never actually ever in an actual prison, be in her own prison of drunken bitter rage that her years spent as a soulless ghoul never panned out winning the ultimate prize as POTUS. Completely demoralized.
Posted by: Cheri at May 25, 2016 10:28 PM (TmVQX)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:28 PM (qUNWi)
And this is your standard MO. You just criticize others without offering anything of substance for you to stand on.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:22 PM (uAvJJ)
****
Really, Professor Troll? I have seen right here on this blog where you said you were voting Libertarian Party, and that means Gary Johnson, running with a Gun Grabber. Do you now deny that? Something like
"Yeah, I said I was voting Libertarian, but that does not mean I am voting for Gary, just the party?"
Cuz that sounds like something you would do.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:28 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: L, Elle at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (6IPEM)
He did. No doubt. And he did it with brute force and numbers.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (Q6v1c)
And people laughed. I guess he wasn't kidding after all.
Posted by: Pete Seria at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (/pOl7)
She never saw it coming.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (kTF2Z)
There's no way in hell he'll ever vote for Trump.
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (7lVbc)
Back to the good old days of endless, drawn-out... shit.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: stating the obvious at May 25, 2016 10:30 PM (DA2i0)
I think you are very pridefully deciding that if the man was not your answer he can't be the answer Jeff.
You and I have been friendly for how long?
nigh a decade IIRC....
Your insistence that Trump is to be held to HARD task for mistakes and errors he may well make while leaving unacknowledged that we know the stink of Clinton by the shit already in our nose is tiring....
but no you're not a troll, you have more than 6 tracks on this EP album.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:30 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 10:30 PM (c6/9Q)
We have a civic duty to make sure Hillary never gets in office. Even if Trump is the only alternative.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:24 PM
Rock on Cato. I'll continue this discussion when I wake up. Be well and engaged.
Posted by: Farmer at May 25, 2016 10:30 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (iYTlX)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (zOTsN)
http://tinyurl.com/zxx786m
Trump's rapidly changing positions on many issues
http://tinyurl.com/z9wgzfy
There's just a few for starters.
So I don't have much confidence that he will keep to that list. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (uAvJJ)
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That's not me. That was Ace.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (qUNWi)
Quite....
I like Jeff, and likely after the fires of passion have cooled and we are enduring dumbass A or Dumbass B we will be friendly again....
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (g8Hfr)
Heck I would vote Trump if it gets the MFM off their Asses and back to work as a watchdog.
Posted by: Picric at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (s0VSd)
"Trump Is Not Conservative, He's A Pragmatist"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hker92a
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (9mTYi)
Is this guy for real?"
He is. Don't tell me you believe Hyena's bullshit.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (cmE8J)
Honestly though...... how many politicians are not?
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (Ycgco)
Very. Evil. O'Rourke done shit his bed with that comment
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PJO wrote about his time in Baltimore where he was associated with a commune of sorts that got shook down by a group of Maoists. He was subjected to interminable struggle sessions and threats, as they all were.
He wrote that, at that moment, he was done with the Leftist crap. That he saw the light.
He doesn't seem to realize Hilary would have been one of those Maoists.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 10:27 PM (wnwJC)
Personally, I prefer nationalist to internationalist. It's not even close.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (sdi6R)
I want the Presidency to snatched out of her grasping wizened claws again. I want to hear her wail and screech. Full of sound and fury since her hours upon the DC stage will finally be over.
I want her to sup deeply and taste the bitter dregs of defeat.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (3se1p)
She never saw it coming.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (NvC7m)
Trump v. Hillory metaphor award winner!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (Dj0WE)
How did it come to be that I am living rent free in so many people's heads?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (tEDMc)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 10:27 PM (wnwJC)
Yeah, that's creepy as all get out. This primary has been very illuminating as to which pundits, etc, who've been talking up their conservative values for years are just ratings whores and lunatics.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:33 PM (ozZau)
It's a good opinion piece, I've been sharing it a lot after you posted it. Thanks, Mike.
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:33 PM (7lVbc)
Which conservative philosophy? The Boehner version, the Santorum version, or the Cruz version? The problem with the conservative label is that it has been used by too many people to mean too many things, and a lot of those people (particularly the Boehner types) have rightly earned dishonor, scorn, and derision for it.
If you don't want your principles replaced after they've been run through the mud, you need to do something about it. The Cruz type needs a new label. Not new philosophies or new ideas, just a new label, a new name, logo, and brand that they can promote. Think of how the Left switches from Socialist to Progressive to Liberal and back depending on which one has the least damage at the time.
Otherwise, people who don't follow politics as closely as we do but still vote are going to hear that same old label, think you're the same old Boehners, and run to whatever huckster is screaming the loudest instead.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:33 PM (HalrA)
I should point out that, ironically, Gollum finally did regain his Precious. Seconds before joining it in the molten depths of Mount Doom.
I wonder if there's something to look to, there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 25, 2016 10:34 PM (D0J8L)
They're living in a bubble world made of their own spite and ego."
"Do you guys actually want Hillary Clinton in office, as Ben Howe, possibly just being baiting and trollish, said a few weeks back?"
You know Ace, fuck you. I have been a big fan of yours and lurker here for years, but this hostile accusatory tilt you are on in favor of Trump is just unfair friendly fire. Refusing to vote for Trump is NOT the equivalent of supporting Hilary, just as refusing to vote for Hilary is not the equivalent of supporting Trump.
Your supposed holier-than-though position of voting for the supposed lesser of two evils will damage conservative greatly, perhaps fatally, because Trump's non-conservative buffoonery as President will latch on to and stain actual conservatism. As Ben Shapiro puts it, we are heading towards The Cliff at 60 MPH with Obama, Hilary will ratchet it up to 90 MPH while Trump will merely up it to 75 MPH but at the same time remove the reversal gears (destroying conservatism) from the car. One will do fatal damage to the country directly and the other will do fatal damage to the only healing possibility this country has. My only real choice is to refuse to help either one drive the final nail into America. Your trollish assholery is REALLY not helping the situation and will drive real conservatives away from you for honestly no good reason at all.
Posted by: Omni at May 25, 2016 10:34 PM (n8haL)
I was thinking about voting for them, until he picked William Weld, which was a bridge too far for me. So now I am not going to support them either. Please try to catch up, dickwad
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (3se1p)
Ricardo I read somewhere the best one sentence summary of the Civil War.
Lee surrendered when he realized he was fighting a 20th century war
(attrition) in the 19th century, defending an 18th century institution.
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The Grant Museum houses the original famous painting of Lee surrendering to Grant. It's huge. I mean, Take-up-the-entire-wall huge. Trump might appreciate the hugeness of it.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (dFi94)
You are on target WRT Pittsburg Landing, you are on somewhat shaky ground WRT "Grant the Butcher"...
Grant lost fewer men in his tactical campaigns than Lee if one adds in prisoners.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (g8Hfr)
She never saw it coming.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (NvC7m)
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That's somebody's mother. Now there are all these babies with no one to care for them.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (iQIUe)
He doesn't seem to realize Hilary would have been one of those Maoists.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:32 PM (Cq0oW)
Evidently not, and that really concerns me. I used to consider him an incredibly astute observer of the current insanity.
I must reassess.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (Ycgco)
I'll take Gatorade...with the retardation in DC who needs intoxicants to be off kilter?
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:36 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:36 PM (3se1p)
Posted by: D. Trump at May 25, 2016 10:36 PM (VquEu)
lesser of two evils will damage conservative greatly, perhaps fatally,
because Trump's non-conservative buffoonery as President will latch on
to and stain actual conservatism.
AMEN
Trump would become the face of "new conservatism", which will be transformed to mean European-style nationalist populism, and who cares about all that limited government crap
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:37 PM (uAvJJ)
No, not that one...
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (Kucy5)
We got our opening night tickets already!
Posted by: Bryan Singer and Michael Huffington at May 25, 2016 10:37 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:38 PM (cmE8J)
Jeff my hash changes because my address changes...a lot...
I am fairly certain my writing style, nom d'guerre, and general incoherence is enough a calling card I am me...
I do not offer "tiring" as spite, merely a gentle rebuke...
I do think ego is clouding your reason...but so doesn't it to us all at times?
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:38 PM (g8Hfr)
I see NO way Cruz could have won.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a conservative bubble and is out of touch with large portions of the electorate."
All objective evidence available gave Cruz a better chance among a national electorate. Its all counterfactual at this point, but believing that Trump has a better chance than Cruz would have is based on intuition.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (KF8B+)
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conservatism is already dead. wasn't that obvious?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (Cq0oW)
Cliff at 60 MPH with Obama, Hilary will ratchet it up to 90 MPH while
Trump will merely up it to 75 MPH but at the same time remove the
reversal gears (destroying conservatism) from the car.
Posted by: Omni at May 25, 2016 10:34 PM (n8haL)
60 mph with Obama...
So this Ben Shapiro guy is really liking Obamao ass crack.
Sure, he'll let you in for a taste too.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (iYTlX)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (WxY7/)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (R5HRU)
502 466 Just went out on the deck to have a smoke and I got to watch a Bald Eagle take out a Hen Mallard.
She never saw it coming.
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 10:29 PM (NvC7m)
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That's somebody's mother. Now there are all these babies with no one to care for them.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (iQIUe)
Lesbian duck?
Posted by: eman at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (MQEz6)
Ah, nature. A little tobacco. A raptor taking out a duck. Did you have a beer?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: grammie winger
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Pfft. Have you ever seen Stone Mountain?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (w/iDp)
From Streets of Fire - 'Nowhere Fast'
https://youtu.be/ElgWu34Xi2o
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (3se1p)
Which conservative philosophy? The Boehner version, the Santorum version, or the Cruz version? The problem with the conservative label is that it has been used by too many people to mean too many things, and a lot of those people (particularly the Boehner types) have rightly earned dishonor, scorn, and derision for it.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:33 PM (HalrA)
Bush 43 claimed to be a conservative, er, "compassionate conservative", when the entire Bush clan are globalists through and through.
I have had enough of that shit. I am an America First nationalist.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (3se1p)
Three measures of Gordon's, one of Vodka, half a measure of Cocchi Americano, shaken over ice and served with a large slice of lemon.
And a tumbler of Get Me The Fuck Off This Rock with a dash of Right Goddamned Now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (wB8Tg)
If I believed Trump would hold the line on amnesty or appoint one decent justice or curb one federal abuse iD vote for him. But I don't believe he'll do any of that.
I guess what I'm saying is the next president will come into office with very little political good will and will probably be a one term proposition. The one thing about the Clintons is their compulsive graft and lying tends to neuter their policy agendas.
Maybe in 2020 the GOP will present a better alternative.
Posted by: Sam in Va at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (9stgl)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (uAvJJ)
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Gorsch, Perfesser Leftist Dipshit, I mqy have missed that one tiny post in the flood of your anti Trump stream cuz I have to work for a livin'. It is awesome that Tax dollars give you the entire summer to comment here though.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (qUNWi)
Quite illustrative that Ben seems to think Black Democratonium means Ogabe is less a bastard on the US Constitution than Fuck and Muck may be.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:41 PM (g8Hfr)
No, not that one...
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (Kucy5)
We got our opening night tickets already!
Posted by: Bryan Singer and Michael Huffington at May 25, 2016 10:37 PM (Dj0WE)
So do we!!
Posted by: Nickelodeon Network Execs at May 25, 2016 10:41 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Cheri at May 25, 2016 10:41 PM (TmVQX)
"But how do we know Ace won't change his mind?"
(I think my mother would hit me over the head with a golf club at this point)
Posted by: t-bird at May 25, 2016 10:41 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:42 PM (Ycgco)
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Never bought into the Grant the Butcher bullshit. The man saw his advantage and exploited it. It worked. All of them from McClellen on had the same advantage. None were willing or able to use it. I think the Wilderness was a mistake on Grant's part, but he recovered quickly, IMO.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 10:42 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:39 PM (Cq0oW)
"It's not easy facing up when your whole world is black.", said the Rolling Stones. Well, that's kinda the place we're in now, as far as our reputation goes.
Conservatism is dead and assholes like Boehner killed it. It's a fatally tarnished brand, and it'll take generations for the stink of his constant betrayals and hypocrisy to wash off of it.
We need a new label, a new box for our ideas. The ideas themselves are good, but we need a new word for them that's not associated with shitstains, conmen, and betrayers.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:42 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: garrett at May 25, 2016 10:42 PM (NvC7m)
Posted by: math at May 25, 2016 10:42 PM (DA2i0)
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I keep seeing similar statements on various threads. I'm not quite following. I mean, are people saying that conservative ideas are no longer valid? I've seen posts alluding to the Constitution no longer the standard. I'm missing a beat here. Help?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (dFi94)
Jeff how many thousands of posts did I waste here begging, pleading, crying, cackling that the GOP *must* start landing blows lest we lose credibility as a governing philosophy?
You are chasing a ship that has already sailed my friend....
I understand the drive to do so, I also understand the ship is gone.
Boehner and McConnell and McCain killed conservatism...we need to buy time to have any shot at having it reborn.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (R5HRU)
I'm a casual target shooter but I reload all my center fire ammo. (Reloading is fun and relaxing.) I shoot mostly traditional muzzleloaders and cast bullet loads for the modern guns. I know from past comments that you are a serious competitor. IIRC, you may be going to the Nationals.
Posted by: JTB at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (AfNGb)
which will be transformed to mean European-style nationalist populism,
and who cares about all that limited government crap
.Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:37 PM (uAvJJ)
The media would tag conservative on his buffoonery at every opportunity. Conservatism will disappear. However, if Hillary were elected there would be a groundswell of conservatism.
Posted by: D. Trump at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (VquEu)
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:33 PM (HalrA)
Bush 43 claimed to be a conservative, er, "compassionate conservative", when the entire Bush clan are globalists through and through.
I have had enough of that shit. I am an America First nationalist.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (sdi6R)
Yup. When the barbarians have overrun your vineyards, you don't cry over the lack of wine. You protect your wells.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (3se1p)
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 10:30 PM (c6/9Q)
I'm an old lady, and I've never in my life had anyone act like Trump towards me except for vato street trash and the would-be rapist I scared off with a gun. I've worked in the county hospital, scooping poop in the zoo, and at the various drunken fiestas we have here, and I can tell you he really is exceptionally awful by any measure. I loathe the sight and sound of him and have for decades. He is slightly better than the vato street trash, but only slightly.
Whenever he was in the news with his stupid pageant scandals or celebrity feuds or creepy divorces I would keep the remote handy so I could change the channel if he came on.
I might vote for him, bit only because Hildemort is so evil.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:37 PM (uAvJJ)
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And yet you claim you have never made a definitive statement about Trump.
You can not make this stuff up!
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:35 PM (dFi94)
Here's some irony: the U.S. Grant Presidential Library is housed at Mississippi State University. The first president of MSU was former CSA General Stephen D. Lee (no relation to Robert E.), the officer that issued the demand to Fort Sumter to surrender or be fired upon.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (GUBah)
Good to hear, the Wilderness was bad in Grant's defense he had to assert control and integrate new pieces.....
Grant and arguably Sherman were the only people who grasped that war of attrition and war of maneuver were not competing with one another they belonged hand in glove together.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:45 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 25, 2016 10:45 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: Hilldabeast at May 25, 2016 10:45 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:43 PM (dFi94)
You and me, both, Grammie.
No comprende.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:45 PM (Ycgco)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (w/iDp)
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No, I haven't. How long would it take me to get there from Kenosha? Do I need an overnight bag?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:45 PM (dFi94)
But Hilary tacking further into hammer and sickle
land is enough for me to cast my lot with the crazy fucker who doesn't
think things through.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 10:03 PM (R5HRU)
I agree that Hillary is tacking further into outright socialism, and that is bad. It's not the only type of bad that exists, though. Just as Bush's bullshit "compassionate conservatism" in a large way led to Obama's win in 2008, I can see a lot of Trump's baloney lead to an even worse President Liawatha or the similar later on.
And goddammit I want to vote *for* someone
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (EZebt)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (Whlww)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (R7HUj)
Posted by: Jean at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (Doh4+)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:31 PM (uAvJJ)
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Eh. I'd put the odds at 50-50. Maybe better because, as I say, I don't think he cares about SCOTUS.
With Hillary, there's no maybe-this-maybe-that.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: Sharkman at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (CS7jF)
Posted by: L, Elle at May 25, 2016 10:47 PM (6IPEM)
Also, a people who are receptive to them.
That's the problem. That's what changed. Until we find a way to correct that we're just blowing wind.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 25, 2016 10:47 PM (D0J8L)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (uAvJJ)
I can sympathize with that, but this is more of a "vote against" kind of election at this point. And if Hillary's not worth voting against, who is?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:47 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:48 PM (3se1p)
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on the philosophical side, I'll say it's like existentialism - nice, but a dead philosophy. it cornered itself and had nowhere to go, thus it dies.
on the worldly side, what has it won nationally? has it grown at all, even replaced it's numbers? conservatives were a minority and defensive position within the GOP. they are now used to split the base but never allowed to win.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:48 PM (Cq0oW)
https://youtu.be/kaIZWjItReI
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 25, 2016 10:45 PM (NGd+i)
Word. Was listening to "Tres Hombres" just the other night.
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:48 PM (cmE8J)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 10:48 PM (Nwg0u)
Library is housed at Mississippi State University. The first president
of MSU was former CSA General Stephen D. Lee (no relation to Robert E.),
the officer that issued the demand to Fort Sumter to surrender or be
fired upon.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (GUBah)
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That's just weird.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 25, 2016 10:47 PM (D0J8L)
Start by rebranding. If a Corporation steps in the shit, they truck out a new name and logo. It's how you work towards cleaning up your reputation with the Low Information types, and not everybody is a political junkie. We need to be able to communicate to Joe 6-pack that we are NOT the same people as the assholes he's used to.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (HalrA)
Conservatism if the idea that the government that governs least governs best, that we must be frugal and self-reliant died somewhere between 2001 and 2016....
one can make a solid argument that when Brandy Boehner and Math Witch Ryan were largely silent as TARP and Prokulus and budget by CR became entrenched they were strangling it.
One can argue "Math Witch" as Speaker finished off the corpse when he decided "no shutdowns means give Obama spare billions" was a logical exercise in an election year....
Trump God help me fights, and he is landing blows on Grammy H....
I am not sure Cruz would have....I know that so long as the Squish Axis is in power with no apology for their excesses these last 15 years Cruz would accomplish no more towards my goals than Trump...
the problem is as much in the assholes on the Hill as the asshole on the top.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: DONALD T at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (AfNGb)
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then vote for yourself and pick Trump.
Sophistry is Bullshit, and there are only two choices to pick from.
everything else is a lie.
#HTH
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (8Y4jo)
And yet you claim you have never made a definitive statement about Trump.
You can not make this stuff up!
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:44 PM (YLidQ)
You claimed that I have stated "with absolute certainty" that Trump would do something, and that claim is false.
My statement about Trump is not a claim that he would do something "with absolute certainty" or some such. It is a prediction. I don't know if that would happen "with absolute certainty". I predict that it would happen, though.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (uAvJJ)
Based on Conservative promises, we would have by now repealed Obamacare, put Lois Lerner in prison, indicted someone for supplying cartels with guns ... the list is enormous.
Instead we give Obama more money than he asks for.
That's Conservatism.
It's about conserving their phoney baloney jobs.
It's failed the citizens of America.
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (7lVbc)
a dead philosophy. it cornered itself and had nowhere to go, thus it
dies.
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So what do you see replacing it?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (dFi94)
She is worse than Barry if that can be realized.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (zOTsN)
Yes and thank you for responding.
We just disagree my dude, you seem to think Hilary and Trump are at worst the same.
I don't. Good luck on your campaign to dissuade people from voting for Trump and I'm not trying to be shitty.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (EZebt)
Not as weird as you'd think...the West Point class was very cross-pollinated...
Grant was respected if not beloved in the South, and Longstreet was a brother in law....
there's a reason Geberal Armistead started crying and grieving on his deathbed when he thought General Hancock had been killled.
They were best friends.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (uAvJJ)
******
Trump is the nominee. Vote for him or don't.
But please, for the love of God, STFU about him.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:51 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 25, 2016 08:48 PM (QDVFm)
She's a drinking buddy with a good share of them, including McCain. I guess if they're drunk enough lying, old hags are tolerable.
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 25, 2016 10:51 PM (+lVUW)
So what do you see replacing it?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (dFi94)
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How about common sense?
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (7lVbc)
that one tiny post in the flood of your anti Trump stream cuz I have to
work for a livin'. It is awesome that Tax dollars give you the entire
summer to comment here though.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (YLidQ)
I know, right? So think of my erudite commenting here as a tax rebate for you.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (uAvJJ)
outright socialism, and that is bad. It's not the only type of bad that
exists, though. Just as Bush's bullshit "compassionate conservatism" in a
large way led to Obama's win in 2008, I can see a lot of Trump's
baloney lead to an even worse President Liawatha or the similar later
on.
And goddammit I want to vote *for* someone
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (uAvJJ)
Hillery tracking?
She was called a stalinist during bubba's tenure.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (iYTlX)
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So what do you see replacing it?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (dFi94)
I would argue we will not see it in Washington again, unless and until something revolutionary occurs.
So... the only solution I see that COULD work is a reassertion of State's rights.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (Q6v1c)
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 10:40 PM (qUNWi)
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Seriously? Then you're a goddamn cousin humpin, low IQ, rube who can't recognize when he's being conned. Also, you're an asshole.
#Bucketofdogvomit2016!
#Neverhyena
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 10:53 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: grammie winger
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umm, yes.
pic: http://preview.tinyurl.com/zfkoqc2
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 10:53 PM (w/iDp)
That's Conservatism.
It's about conserving their phoney baloney jobs.
It's failed the citizens of America.
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (7lVbc)
And that's what the average American hears when you say "Conservative". That's why we need a new brand. The old brand is beyond repair. Keep the ideas, repackage them, try selling them in some new and novel ways.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:53 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:53 PM (3se1p)
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Article V might be a good way to accomplish that. Of all of the plans out there, it has the virtue of not having been tried.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (Cq0oW)
Think of it as a Churchill-style National Unity government formed to save an embattled nation.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (Ndje9)
But please, for the love of God, STFU about him."
We didn't shut up about the GOPe, why should we shut up about Trump?
Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (KF8B+)
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then vote for yourself and pick Trump.
Pretty much.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (Ycgco)
Posted by: Infidel at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (iQrD3)
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I hear that, but Its a little known fact that they did in fact repeal Obamacare, but Obama repealed it. Presidents can do that.
Trump has been pretty vocal for universal hath care, so he probably won't be any better than Obama on that. Of course, that's only if we can believe what he said on that particular day at that one moment, so who knows?
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:53 PM (3se1p)
Can I come work for you if you do?
I'm great at foot rubs.
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (7lVbc)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Kang the Libertarian at May 25, 2016 10:55 PM (PLnZs)
on the worldly side, what has it won nationally? has it grown at all, even replaced it's numbers? conservatives were a minority and defensive position within the GOP. they are now used to split the base but never allowed to win.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 25, 2016 10:48 PM (Cq0oW)
And conservatives are deluding themselves if they think they are the GOP's base.
The GOP hates you and wants you to die. They're busy replacing you with illiterate Third Worlders who have no concept of that "individual liberty" nonsense. They are born serfs and they know their place.
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 10:55 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Puddleglum at May 25, 2016 10:55 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 10:55 PM (wnwJC)
My statement about Trump is not a claim that he would do something "with absolute certainty" or some such. It is a prediction. I don't know if that would happen "with absolute certainty". I predict that it would happen, though.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:49 PM (uAvJJ)
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I see. So it is now down to weasel wording on your part. You say "Trump would", but did not add "with absolute certainty", so you are right? You are grasping at grammatical straws, Perfesser Leftoid.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:55 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:52 PM (Dj0WE)
Article V might be a good way to accomplish that. Of all of the plans out there, it has the virtue of not having been tried.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:54 PM (HalrA)
I suspect any attempt to accomplish what the proponents of Article 5 want to do will be circumvented by the people already in power, who will control its outcome.
Maybe I'm wrong, but the risk is a more profound loss of liberty.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (Dj0WE)
Any changes made pertaining to our government must be in keeping with our blueprint.
Most important is reverting back TO it.Rigorously.
Failing to return to a Constitutional Republic means all the effort and sacrifice is wasted.
You might ponder this:
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
And here we are.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (X35Yt)
Well, eleven is all of those things, but is that so wrong. But I agree, so.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (Q6v1c)
part. You say "Trump would", but did not add "with absolute certainty",
so you are right? You are grasping at grammatical straws, Perfesser
Leftoid.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 10:55 PM (YLidQ)
Look, dickwad, YOU were the one who made the claim "with absolute certainty", not me. If that isn't what you meant, you shouldn't have said it.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (uAvJJ)
matters. But you have to win elections first. The most electable
conservative. Trump is at least more conservative than Hillary. And
more conservative than the libertarian candidates
Posted by: ThunderB at May 25, 2016 10:50 PM (zOTsN)
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I certainly agree with you about the Constitution and conservatism. I agree it's hard to win elections because frankly. we are outnumbered and our numbers are likely to dwindle further as the family breaks down, social services take up those roles, fewer people go to church or seek military service, etc.
But right is right, and conservatism is right. I'll be here standing on the right till it's my time.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (dFi94)
My
statement about Trump is not a claim that he would do something "with
absolute certainty" or some such. It is a prediction. I don't know if
that would happen "with absolute certainty". I predict that it would
happen, though.<<<<<
So, when you say something is going to happen you are not really saying it is going to happen because you can't say it is going to happen with absolute certainty but you are saying it is going to happen?
Da fuck?
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (tEDMc)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2016 10:57 PM (3se1p)
Posted by: BurtTC at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (Dj0WE)
You don't get more profound than "absolute", and we're already headed there anyway.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 10:58 PM (HalrA)
It would bring clarity, and ideally secession.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Stating The Obvious at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (cmE8J)
If I believed Trump would hold the line on amnesty or appoint one decent justice or curb one federal abuse iD vote for him. But I don't believe he'll do any of that.
I guess what I'm saying is the next president will come into office with very little political good will and will probably be a one term proposition. The one thing about the Clintons is their compulsive graft and lying tends to neuter their policy agendas.
Maybe in 2020 the GOP will present a better alternative.
Posted by: Sam in Va
Worked for us!
Posted by: Dole & Kemp at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (Doh4+)
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (wnwJC)
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 11:00 PM (7lVbc)
pic: http://preview.tinyurl.com/zfkoqc2
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2016 10:53 PM (w/iDp)
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Whoa !! That's HUGE ! ( I love it. Putting it on the list.)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 11:00 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: The Inevitable JEB! at May 25, 2016 11:00 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:56 PM (uAvJJ)
*****
And it is you who is trying to weasel out of statements you made definitively, but are now trying to weasel out of.
Pretty sure you comment here more than me on a weekly basis than me. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 11:00 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 10:46 PM (uAvJJ)
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And I'd like to be younger and better looking. That ain't happening either.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2016 11:00 PM (kTF2Z)
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The Wilderness was Chancellorville Part Deux. Grant may have suffered losses similar to Hooker but he didn't recross the Rappahannock and didn't let Lee rest. From the Wilderness to Appomattox Courthouse, Grant was on Lee like ugly on Lena Dunham. There were mistakes, even Grant admitted Cold Harbor was a mistake, but Grant understood the Devil's mathmatics. If he kept on keeping on, Lee had to fall.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 25, 2016 11:01 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: @votermom at May 25, 2016 11:00 PM (7lVbc)
Saving America always comes first. We can fix the rest if there's still an America to fix it in.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 11:01 PM (HalrA)
You are going back on your claim, not me.
I made a prediction. I never stated with absolute certainty that Trump will or will not do a certain thing. That would be absurd, no one can know that. (Not even Trump, it looks like.)
Pretty sure you comment here more than me on a weekly basis than me. Prove me wrong.
No, you prove your claim. I'm tired of being your link-fetcher.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 11:02 PM (uAvJJ)
But please, for the love of God, STFU about him."
...
Sounds just like Trump. People shouldn't be "allowed" to criticize him.
Creeps the shit out me. Good lord.
Tip: if you want to court people who hate Trump, do not for fucks sake say they can't criticize him, unless you want to send us screaming away to vote for the L party.
He NEEDS criticism. He NEEDS to be on an extremely short leash/shock collar, and his new sycophants don't realize that.
I will probably vote for him but the thing that will stop me from doing that is if I'm not allowed to say whatever I want to about him.
He's a fucking ape, a NYC statist.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 11:03 PM (ozZau)
#Bucketofdogvomit2016!
#Neverhyena
Hmmmmmm...
::scratches chin::
::ponders::
Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 25, 2016 11:03 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (g8Hfr)
That's looking better and better, every day.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 25, 2016 11:03 PM (Ycgco)
So let's stop calling ourselves something we're not. We've always been, in our hearts and in our ideals, the same rebels that won this country to begin with. We need a label that reflects that.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 11:04 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 11:04 PM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 25, 2016 11:05 PM (EZebt)
The approved real estate broker of the New Cylon Empire:
http://www.missilebases.com/
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 25, 2016 11:06 PM (D0J8L)
what do you think about Obama ?
Posted by: runner at May 25, 2016 10:59 PM (c6/9Q)
Oh please, it would take all night to list what I hate about him, and Hillary is just as bad, if not worse. That's the ONE reason I might vote for Trump.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 11:07 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 25, 2016 11:04 PM (uAvJJ)
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Sure. Just as soon as you link your Libertarian party vote argument.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 25, 2016 11:08 PM (YLidQ)
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See, I've not thought along those lines. I've viewed conservatism as holding closely to the Constitution and, for me particularly, the Bill of Rights. And the whole Life, Liberty, and Pursuit thing. That anything not specifically given over to the Feds stayed with the States. Less government is best government. Local is better than Distant. People live their lives with their rights protected, and otherwise pretty much left alone. Probably more but it's past my bedtime.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 11:09 PM (dFi94)
chemjeff...it isn't our job to give you trump's qualifications.
we are not your students, why do you always call us out like we are?
Posted by: concrete girl at May 25, 2016 11:10 PM (ceWrl)
And while if you *argue* with me you must take up a contrary position, it isn't just saying 'Trump lies!' An argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction by saying 'Trump lies!' is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
Posted by: man at an argument clinic at May 25, 2016 11:11 PM (PLnZs)
Yes correct...
That *is* Lockeian Liberty...
that is what the GOP has betrayed the last decade and a half and that is why we need to get to work spreading the good aspects of it again...
if we need to stabilize the rot with a Nixonian thug for a bit...
well Nixon came before Reagan.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 25, 2016 11:11 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: rickl at May 25, 2016 11:11 PM (sdi6R)
So let's stop calling ourselves something we're not. We've always been, in our hearts and in our ideals, the same rebels that won this country to begin with. We need a label that reflects that.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 25, 2016 11:04 PM (HalrA)
I like that, a lot.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 11:12 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 11:13 PM (wnwJC)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 11:09 PM (dFi94)
I like that a lot too
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 11:14 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: being kneed in balls over Trump Lies lessons at May 25, 2016 11:15 PM (PLnZs)
1) Vote Hillary, America dives head first into the abyss with a bungee cord (conservatism) still attached
2) Vote Trump, America is given a breather before it is shoved into the abyss but the bungee cord is cut
For me, neither choice is acceptable so the only real choice I can make for America is to effectively protest vote. That does not make me an egotistical, spiteful, delusional Hillary supporter, Ace.
Posted by: Omni at May 25, 2016 11:16 PM (n8haL)
Posted by: JROD at May 25, 2016 11:13 PM (wnwJC)
Yep, classical liberal. Most of these classifications have lost their earlier meanings.
Posted by: stace at May 25, 2016 11:16 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Omni at May 25, 2016 11:16 PM (n8haL)
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Maybe by "Never-Trumper" he means those who will vote for Hillary. I dunno.
To me there's a big difference between those who abstain and those who actually vote for the witch.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 25, 2016 11:25 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2016 11:09 PM (dFi94)
This is, pretty much, conservatism.
One might also add the conservatives understand that man is fundamentally flawed and limits - such as the Constitution - must always be placed on their power. I also feel conservatives believe that the majority is not always correct - hence the restraint imposed by elements of American government such as the electoral college.
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 11:32 PM (mFkVC)
Ace has clearly been shitting on those conservative #NeverTrumpers that refuse to vote for Trump, and would never EVER vote for Hillary. Case in point:
"However, at the moment, he is the only plausible tool by which we can prevent President Hillary Clinton, and if that isn't enough to at least get you to bite your tongue or find some other interest (politics isn't especially interesting, you know; there are a thousand fields more interesting and rewarding), then you're not merely #NeverTrump, you're closer to #NeverReallyAConservative."
This acehole accuses ME of leaning away from conservatism while he breathlessly makes the case that we should vote for King Democrat-In-Republican-Skin? Please.
Posted by: Omni at May 25, 2016 11:34 PM (n8haL)
Posted by: person at May 25, 2016 11:34 PM (mFkVC)
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/735668284050268160
Posted by: andycanuck at May 25, 2016 11:40 PM (PLnZs)
Posted by: CMU VET at May 25, 2016 11:44 PM (ejB0r)
Sure, if it has a small 'c'. We talk more about conserving Constitutional rule. Maybe it gets a capital 'C'.
Posted by: t-bird at May 25, 2016 11:46 PM (J3phO)
The upside to Trump as the nominee, and why I started to warm to him halfway through the primary after being so dismissive, is that he will continue to tear the hide of the evil, corrupt wannabe-despot Hillary. Trump has lots of problems, to channel him, but he is nowhere near as depraved as Hillary Clinton. Anyone making a moral/ethical/political equivalency is lying to themselves.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 25, 2016 11:50 PM (xoIwE)
I heard about this today, and think this series of posts comes close enough, so I'm back. Of course, I mostly lurk, so for practical purposes, me being back is almost the same as me being gone.
I think I'm going to go to bed now.
#AlwaysTrump
Posted by: trickamsterdam at May 26, 2016 03:43 AM (6aXy5)
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at May 26, 2016 06:16 AM (Je4OY)
Unbelievable how egos can trump the obvious.
Now, where the hell is my High Horse? I've got a pious, purportedly purist but clearly self righteous and ego-centric circle jerk to attend at NRO headquarters....
Posted by: oddnot says ~sigh~ at May 26, 2016 01:01 PM (g1MTt)
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