Group ID'd as One of Ben Rhodes' "Force Multipliers" In Selling Iran Deal Also Gave $100,000 to NPR to "Help" It "Report" on the Deal

Thanks to Melanie /‏@mrussRSF, a neat little late Friday covert news fart from the AP:

WASHINGTON (AP) — A group the White House recently identified as a key surrogate in selling the Iran nuclear deal gave National Public Radio $100,000 last year to help it report on the pact and related issues, according to the group's annual report. It also funded reporters and partnerships with other news outlets.
The Ploughshares Fund's mission is to "build a safe, secure world by developing and investing in initiatives to reduce and ultimately eliminate the world's nuclear stockpiles," one that dovetails with President Barack Obama's arms control efforts. But its behind-the-scenes role advocating for the Iran agreement got more attention this month after a candid profile of Ben Rhodes, one of the president's top foreign policy aides.
In The New York Times Magazine article, Rhodes explained how the administration worked with nongovernmental organizations, proliferation experts and even friendly reporters to build support for the seven-nation accord that curtailed Iran's nuclear activity and softened international financial penalties on Tehran.
"We created an echo chamber," said Rhodes, a deputy national security adviser, adding that "outside groups like Ploughshares" helped carry out the administration's message effectively.

...
Outside groups of all stripes are increasingly giving money to news organizations for special projects or general news coverage. Most news organizations, including The Associated Press, have strict rules governing whom they can accept money from and how to protect journalistic independence.
Ploughshares' backing is more unusual, given its prominent role in the rancorous, partisan debate over the Iran deal.
...

Ploughshares' links to media are "tremendously troubling," said Rep. Mike Pompeo of Kansas, an Iran-deal critic.
Pompeo told the AP he repeatedly asked NPR to be interviewed last year as a counterweight to a Democratic supporter of the agreement, Rep. Adam Schiff of California, who he said regularly appeared on the station. But NPR refused to put Pompeo on the air, he said. The station said it had no record of Pompeo's requests, and listed several prominent Republicans who were featured speaking about the deal or economic sanctions on Iran.
Another who appeared on NPR is Joseph Cirincione, Ploughshares' president.

Well isn't that cozy.

Posted by: Ace at 04:44 PM

Comments

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1 It's about time we cut the fucking cord for National Progressive Radio.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 04:46 PM (OxUnq)

2

whack a mole

you kill one another pops up

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:46 PM (qCMvj)

3 It's about time we cut the fucking cord for National Progressive Radio.
Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 04:46 PM (OxUnq)

yep

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:46 PM (qCMvj)

4 Sooooo not the hill to die on.

- Mitch McConnell

Posted by: Phone and Pen at May 20, 2016 04:49 PM (0LHZx)

5
The station said it had no record of Pompeo's requests, and listed several prominent Republicans who were featured speaking about the deal or economic sanctions on Iran.

*cough*BS*cough*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:49 PM (qCMvj)

6 The station said it had no record of Pompeo's requests
_________________________

I bet... liars.

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 04:49 PM (aQQbl)

7 Ben Rhodes enjoys Schweddy balls.

Posted by: Pete Schweddy at May 20, 2016 04:49 PM (gwG9s)

8 Mitch McConnell
Posted by: Phone and Pen at May 20, 2016 04:49 PM (0LHZx)

Turtle Soup

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:50 PM (qCMvj)

9 The station said it had no record of Pompeo's requests, and listed several prominent Republicans who were featured speaking about the deal or economic sanctions on Iran.

__

Lemme guess, Corker was on many times to talk about his bill. Yeah a real counterweight to the Obama talking points.

Posted by: Phone and Pen at May 20, 2016 04:51 PM (0LHZx)

10 For years I couldn't understand the emotions behind such things as the Terror in France, or Mao's assault on elites in China, but I'm learning! The Obama administration is teaching us and there are days when even the French Revolution begins to be at least a little comprehensible, as evil as it was.

Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 04:51 PM (/m8T6)

11

(mechanical problem on the downed plane, says Fox - is most likely the cause: electrical fire, smoke, etc)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

12 Is this administration any better than some corrupt third world country regime? The only difference being Obama and his cohorts are more sophisticated in their shenanigans?

Posted by: IC at May 20, 2016 04:53 PM (a0IVu)

13 By the way, did you see Obama spent the entire day today playing golf?

Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 04:53 PM (/m8T6)

14 Guys, we only have the presidency, the house, the senate and SCOTUS. We simply have no power to do anything about it.

- Republicans circa 2005 when they could have defunded PBS and NPR

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 04:54 PM (0LHZx)

15 The Ploughshares Fund is in the tank? Say it ain't so!
Still, this is probably a lot easier than having to meet you KGB handler in the middle of the night in some DC park to pick up the weeks payroll.

Posted by: tu3031 at May 20, 2016 04:54 PM (YFFpo)

16 >> Obama spent the entire day today playing golf?

It's Friday.

He ain't got no job and he ain't got shit to do!

Posted by: Smokey at May 20, 2016 04:54 PM (OxUnq)

17 If I didn't live in 2016, I'd say there was something illegal/immoral/ unethical about this, pick one.
But of course, it's all relative, right?

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 04:55 PM (sdxPm)

18 Friday afternoon news dump.

Call me shocked.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 04:55 PM (jJRIy)

19 I'm not so sure Trump wouldn't use these strategy. It's been his strategy his entire life. I can only hope he uses it on issues I agree with.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 04:55 PM (wH8rX)

20 mechanical problem on the downed plane, says Fox
________________________________

brilliant deduction there guys.. I think we've figured that part out already..

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 04:55 PM (aQQbl)

21 The horde is unimpressed while waiting for Friday Drinks Service.

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2016 04:55 PM (DL2i+)

22 3 It's about time we cut the fucking cord for National Progressive Radio.
Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 04:46 PM (OxUnq)

yep

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:46 PM (qCMvj)

yep

30 years too late, but better late than never

Posted by: sock_rat_eez and the dogs at May 20, 2016 04:56 PM (gUoN4)

23 wish he would play 24/7. he wouldn't be able to fuck stuff up anymore.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 20, 2016 04:56 PM (ucDmr)

24 http://cheezburger.com/8796515072

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2016 04:56 PM (DL2i+)

25 Bitch McConnell would never permit defunding NPR. As long as he's Majority Leader, it stays.

Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 04:56 PM (/m8T6)

26 In other news, Emily Rattatuooille gave an interview talking about how her appearance has affected her life.

Given that all she has is her appearance, I'd guess so.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 04:56 PM (39g3+)

27 This is my shocked face...oh, wait. I'm all out of shocked faces. Barky's done wore me out.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 04:56 PM (9iR5/)

28 11

(mechanical problem on the downed plane, says Fox - is most likely the cause: electrical fire, smoke, etc)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

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And they know this, how?

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (Fmupd)

29 >> Emily Rattatuooille gave an interview talking about how her appearance has affected her life.

Well, it certainly has affected my life.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (OxUnq)

30 Funny thing is that they would have done it for free anyway.And thrown in a blowjob for Obama.

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (B48dK)

31 It's about time we cut the fucking cord for National Progressive Radio.

It was about time 30 years ago. Now its just a running national joke.

I don't mind NPR existing. I just don't want tax dollars going to it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (39g3+)

32 I'm kind of amazed the WH shooter story is getting so little notice. It's several hours old I realize, but you aren't seeing it mentioned anywhere except on TV.

Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (/m8T6)

33 11

(mechanical problem on the downed plane, says Fox - is most likely the cause: electrical fire, smoke, etc)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

No claim of responsibility and no strategic passengers on the plane points to an accident. Wouldn't stop looking though.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (wH8rX)

34 The mullahs are going to use their nukes for agriculture?
Didn't somebody tell then you can't eat the giant vegetables from Chernobyl.

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (DL2i+)

35 >>mechanical problem on the downed plane

The problem being that, somehow (I'm looking at you Mohammed), it lost its mechanical advantage over Gravity.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (OxUnq)

36 Did they get a tote bag with that?

Posted by: Jean at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (Doh4+)

37 32 I'm kind of amazed the WH shooter story is getting so little notice. It's several hours old I realize, but you aren't seeing it mentioned anywhere except on TV.
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (/m8T6)

Haven't been able to fabricate a tea party link yet.

Posted by: random lurker at May 20, 2016 04:59 PM (+tRIN)

38 And they know this, how?
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (Fmupd)

They make shit up, and people believe it, because it's the NEWS.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 04:59 PM (sdxPm)

39 There is a W.H. Shooter registered with the Annapolis, Md. Tea Party.

Posted by: Brian Ross at May 20, 2016 05:01 PM (OxUnq)

40 And they know this, how?

Well...
Barring Mechanical failure, it's uncommon for an airliner to suddenly veer off course in another direction, fall 37K feet, and disintegrate into the Mediterranean Sea all on its own?

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:01 PM (aQQbl)

41 32 I'm kind of amazed the WH shooter story is getting so little notice. It's several hours old I realize, but you aren't seeing it mentioned anywhere except on TV.
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (/m8T6)

___

It means the shooter is either a Muzzie, black or gay. Nothing to see here folks.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (0LHZx)

42 35
>>mechanical problem on the downed plane

If so, I believe it will be the first A 320 to go down because of mechanical problems.

IF this is true, I bet batteries overheated and caught fire.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (jJRIy)

43 There is a W.H. Shooter registered with the Annapolis, Md. Tea Party.

Him, I've heard of.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (39g3+)

44 38
And they know this, how?

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (Fmupd)
---------
Because they are like every other news organization. If it's going to be months before any definitive information is available, they need to make shit up to keep running the story.
Right now, nobody knows with any certainty what happened on that plane. All they can prove is that it crashed into the Med.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (9iR5/)

45 I don't know if I quite buy it. I mean, in what world would someone need to PAY NPR to be a Obama schill?

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (KdPei)

46 They make shit up, and people believe it, because it's the NEWS.
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 04:59 PM (sdxPm)

Hey, hey! The news is an important source of public education. Just thik how many people never even heard of Black Holes before Don Lemon clued them in.

Posted by: random lurker at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (+tRIN)

47 So, it's a beautiful day. I'm trying to decide between taking the dogs into the woods for a couple hours to see what they can find or plopping down in the back yard and beginning to drink early. The dogs are looking at me with increasing impatience and when I pulled a beer out I swear somebody growled.

All the women in my house are out dress shopping and I'd done with my daily labors so hmmmm...

Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (/m8T6)

48 NPR = National Propaganda Repository

Posted by: Dang at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (/77HP)

49 Remember, without the support of members like you, we can't lie to members like you.

Posted by: NPRPBS at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (vP09u)

50 And they know this, how?
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 04:57 PM (Fmupd)

they quoted some "expert" (not people on Fox - people that do this for a living, I guess who have been involved in the analysis - /shrug, dunno, it was supposedly new news as of about 30 mins ago)

I guess they have more info. A short in the electrical system. But not confirmed.

I doubt we'll know the truth.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:03 PM (qCMvj)

51 I guess that 6' addition to the White House fence didn't help

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:03 PM (39g3+)

52 No claim of responsibility and no strategic passengers on the plane points to an accident. Wouldn't stop looking though.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 04:58 PM (wH8rX)

So we could have written off the WTC towers as a mechanical problem with the airplane because no one of note were on those planes and no one immediately claimed responsibility (until we started pointing fingers at AQ, that is).

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:03 PM (Fmupd)

53 Here is latest on Egypt air flight.

http://tinyurl.com/zvqw6d5

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:03 PM (jJRIy)

54 Nip, I beg to disagree. There was that French flight that went down in the Atlantic. The pitot tube froze up and the pilots weren't getting correct information. They basically stalled the plane right into the ocean.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 05:04 PM (9iR5/)

55 They have a 50/50 chance of being right: either it was a twrrorism or a system failure, your other options: missle, sprite, mid-air collision, meteor strike, are such long odds ...

So they make shit up and people watch

Posted by: Jean at May 20, 2016 05:04 PM (Doh4+)

56
Barring Mechanical failure,

What kind of mechanical failure would cause an aircraft to suddenly plummet 37,000 ft.?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:05 PM (lKyWE)

57 So, it's a beautiful day. I'm trying to decide between taking the dogs into the woods for a couple hours to see what they can find or plopping down in the back yard and beginning to drink early. The dogs are looking at me with increasing impatience and when I pulled a beer out I swear somebody growled.

All the women in my house are out dress shopping and I'd done with my daily labors so hmmmm...
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2016 05:02 PM (/m8T6)

do both, reward yourself with a drink

We had nice weather too. I hit the plant nursery today and loaded up on stuff for the garden, worked on the garden a bit today, but will finish this weekend. I just wanted to get the plants to the house. I did prep the raised garden area. Also got some sun laying out for a bit. Very nice to be outside.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:05 PM (qCMvj)

58 Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:03 PM (Fmupd)

AQ immediately took credit. I'm not asking you to agree with me . That's my opinion.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:05 PM (wH8rX)

59

they quoted some "expert" (not people on Fox - people that do this for a living, I guess who have been involved in the analysis - /shrug, dunno, it was supposedly new news as of about 30 mins ago)

I guess they have more info. A short in the electrical system. But not confirmed.

I doubt we'll know the truth.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:03 PM (qCMvj)

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Ah. A TV news expert.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (Fmupd)

60

On this day in 685, the Picts beat the Northumbrians.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (iQIUe)

61 So.....Soros funded or what?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (NOIQH)

62 What kind of mechanical failure would cause an aircraft to suddenly plummet 37,000 ft.?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:05 PM (lKyWE)

they speculated a short in the wiring, caused a spark, fire, smoke

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (qCMvj)

63
Somebody needs to beat Rhodes' ass into a ploughshare.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (k4M/B)

64 Mechanical failure I would think they would get off a mayday.Did they?

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (B48dK)

65 They have a 50/50 chance of being right

And if its wrong, they do a little one sentence statement about it being different, and move on as if they haven't just reversed their entire narrative.

"This just in, the moon is not colliding with the earth tomorrow. So, Nancy, the moon is safely in the sky still, how does that affect traffic?"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (39g3+)

66 Nobody knows why the plane crashed. Why it that so hard for the NEWS to say?
If I didn't know better, I would almost think that FOX is trying to scoop the rest, and establish cause before evidence, but that would be cynical, and we all know that being cynical about the Media is just crazy pants.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:07 PM (sdxPm)

67 Ah. A TV news expert.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (Fmupd)

no, it sounded credible, tbh, the person they were quoting

but, again, it's still too early to confirm, it's data they received from somewhere

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:07 PM (qCMvj)

68 Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who don't.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2016 05:07 PM (0mRoj)

69
I think there are a lot of necks needing introduction to a ploughshare and/or scythe.

Rhetorically speaking, of course.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:07 PM (p4UlV)

70 --BOOM--

Ploughshares Fund *is* a Soros group:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (NOIQH)

71 Mechanical failure...after the bomb went off.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (0LHZx)

72
They have a 50/50 chance of being right: either it was a twrrorism or a system failure, your other options: missle, sprite, mid-air collision, meteor strike, are such long odds ...

Gremlin on the wing!

Posted by: William Shatner at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (k4M/B)

73 Nobody knows why the plane crashed. Why it that so hard for the NEWS to say?

Because they have 24 hours to fill and are paid to talk.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (39g3+)

74 The investigation should be fun. Youll have Airbus and Egyptians hoping it's terrorist and thus not a design or maintenance problem; and BAE(France) hoping it's not terror because then they would have to look at all the ragheads they've hired at the Aire.

Posted by: Jean at May 20, 2016 05:09 PM (Doh4+)

75 70 --BOOM--

Ploughshares Fund *is* a Soros group:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237
Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (NOIQH)

____

Holy shit that is a long list.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 05:09 PM (0LHZx)

76 Wow, so there was a WH shooting... Husband said obama wasn't there.... He was playing golf...

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:10 PM (O2RFr)

77 Ploughshares Fund *is* a Soros group:

Shocked

Posted by: Jean at May 20, 2016 05:10 PM (Doh4+)

78 The erratic way in flew makes me think it was some sort of mechanical/instrument failure. Not sure of the reports of flames.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 20, 2016 05:10 PM (iQIUe)

79 >>Holy shit that is a long list.

No kidding!

All the better to mask ALL that he's doing.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:10 PM (NOIQH)

80
they speculated a short in the wiring, caused a spark, fire, smoke

I understand but those kinds of failures don't cause aircrat to drop from the sky so suddenly

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:11 PM (lKyWE)

81
"J-Street, the liberal Jewish political action group, received $576,500 to advocate for the deal."
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smh

Posted by: iforgot at May 20, 2016 05:11 PM (pC96u)

82 "The station said it had no record of Pompeo's requests"

That's funny, the Federal government in 2017 will have no record of NPR's funding requests.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2016 05:11 PM (oKE6c)

83 Barring Mechanical failure,

What kind of mechanical failure would cause an aircraft to suddenly plummet 37,000 ft.?
____________________________________________

Oh, perhaps if you remove a wing? Or the tail? That would do it.. If only there was a way to do that quickly....

Nothing heard from the cockpit tells me whatever it was prevented even the most automatic of "Mayday" or "What the shuddering fuck was that?" sort of call for help.

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:11 PM (aQQbl)

84 Re: Emily Ratajkowski complaining that she can't get serious roles. She's recently done a nude dual selfie with Kim Khardasian.

Let's hope she doesn't follow Kim's lead and do a home video porn to promote her career.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (bQxkN)

85 White House Shooters, is that like beer pong?

Jello shots?

Pudding cups?

Posted by: Ozwerd Heredolpher at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (M8Hnc)

86 It was on the wing. Ripping up wiring.

Posted by: Wm. Shatner at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (gwG9s)

87 Why do anything half assed

Posted by: Ben Rhodes at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (3wHFl)

88 >>Husband said obama wasn't there.... He was playing golf...

He's also a meticulous ball washer.

Posted by: Reggie Love at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (OxUnq)

89 They're talking about a reboot of McGuyver. No word on the mullet. 903% chance it will be a cute young girl instead of a guy with experience and some years behind him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (39g3+)

90 I'm opting for the " we don't have any idea" reson for the crash. I'll never make it in journalism.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (sdxPm)

91 they speculated a short in the wiring, caused a spark, fire, smoke

Technically, you could describe a detonator as a short and spark

Posted by: Jean at May 20, 2016 05:13 PM (Doh4+)

92 Howdy folks, what's happening?

Posted by: GGE of the Mobile Horde at May 20, 2016 05:13 PM (a6VIM)

93 54
Nip, I beg to disagree. There was that French flight that went down in
the Atlantic. The pitot tube froze up and the pilots weren't getting
correct information. They basically stalled the plane right into the
ocean.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 05:04 PM (9iR5/

I stand corrected. Air France flight from Brazil. Took two years to find black box. Air France had not done maintenance on speed tube and sensors screwed up the auto pilot. They flew through a huge t-storm and they froze up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:13 PM (jJRIy)

94
The key point to what's missing here is TO WHOM the Iran Deal was being sold.

Answer: The Republicans.

Nobody was fooled by this nuke deal -- except the Republicans. They were sold MAGIC BEANS. Ben Rhodes' minions told the Republicans about all the magical stuff in this deal that the public will never know about. Republicans bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:14 PM (+YvQf)

95 86 It was on the wing. Ripping up wiring.
Posted by: Wm. Shatner at May 20, 2016 05:12 PM (gwG9s)

"IT AIN'T VENDELL VIL-KEEEE!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:14 PM (p4UlV)

96 84 "Let's hope she doesn't follow Kim's lead and do a home video porn to promote her career."

What kind of a moron ARE you?

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2016 05:14 PM (B48dK)

97
I rewound to get the "experts"

leading aviation expert: The Aviation Herald

the ACAR system

aircraft communications addressing and reporting system

like a pre-black box, sends out info to a satellite, then down to a home base... (guys are studying telemetry)

An electrical short inside the avionics compartment, just below the cockpit, spread smoke (says in telemetry) into laboratory just near cockpit...

3 more readings that say computer systems, rudder control system knocked out

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:14 PM (qCMvj)

98 First ... Hi !!! Ain't been here in a while. Been on a job site.

Y'all tired of this bullshit yet ? I sure am.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2016 05:14 PM (fiGNd)

99
By the way, Airbus is like the Ford Pinto/Yugo of aircraft.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (p4UlV)

100 Howdy folks, what's happening?

Posted by: GGE of the Mobile Horde at May 20, 2016 05:13 PM (a6VIM)

Making theories about plane crashes, and mocking the bag man/ fall guy Ben Rhodes.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (sdxPm)

101 So Obama went after the Tea Party and other non-Democrat groups with the IRS. Democrats are collectively freaking out about Citizens United and the effects of money in politics.

And the Obama administration is using 501c3's, like Ploughshare Fund, to shape politics and fund "journalism".

This administration, and the party that birthed it, is corrupt af and the literal embodiment of Fen's Law.

Posted by: wodun at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (DD0s8)

102 Ah. A TV news expert.
Posted by: Soona

We call them.....Hairy Reasoners. Because the almost always have nice hair.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (RFeQD)

103 Technically, you could describe a detonator as a short and spark
Posted by: Jean at May 20, 2016 05:13 PM (Doh4+)
_____________________________________

ding ding ding
Winner!

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (aQQbl)

104
obama and his people keep taking the Republicans aside and they convince these idiots of all great secret magic stuff in obama's policies that the people aren't ready to understand.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (+YvQf)

105 Two actresses I never was really into when they were younger but have aged well are Jami Gertz and Marisa Tomei. They keep moving up the rankings.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (U6ExD)

106
Oh, perhaps if you remove a wing? Or the tail? That would do it.. If only there was a way to do that quickly....
Explosive decompression is the only way.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:16 PM (lKyWE)

107

that aircraft fell apart from a bomb placed in the bathroom by a cleaning crew

this aircraft did not just fall apart

no weather

this was a "man caused disaster"

our government would rather blame Egypt Air and Air Bus than to admit terrorism

the only terrorists I know who do not claim credit are IRANIAN

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:16 PM (zOTsN)

108
Mock Ben Rhodes? I think he's the one that's doing the mocking.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:16 PM (p4UlV)

109 Speaking of liberals in the media...

Any of you read the Time interview with Glen Beck re: facebook meeting? I think Fuckerberg sucked Glenn's duck thrice, he was that giddy about it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 05:16 PM (0LHZx)

110 >>Another who appeared on NPR is Joseph Cirincione, Ploughshares' president.

Joseph Cirincione is also an member of the Campaign for a New American Policy on Iran (CNAPI) that was founded in 2008 "to counsel against a U.S. invasion of that nation."

How conveeenient.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zljz4a9

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:16 PM (NOIQH)

111 By the way, Airbus is like the Ford Pinto/Yugo of aircraft.

This is why the Gremlin was pulling pieces off the wing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (8ZskC)

112
Ben must take hair tips from George Costanza.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (HgMAr)

113 96 84 "Let's hope she doesn't follow Kim's lead and do a home video porn to promote her career."

What kind of a moron ARE you?
Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2016 05:14 PM (B48dK)

Yes, honestly Emily, sometimes you just have to roll the dice on these career moves.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (sdxPm)

114
that aircraft fell apart from a bomb placed in the bathroom by a MUSLIM cleaning crew

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (+YvQf)

115 The key point to what's missing here is TO WHOM the Iran Deal was being sold.

Yeah, it clearly was not sold to the American people. There was no big ad campaign, no major push to convince anyone. It had to all be massive bribes and lobbying for GOP votes. And like a pack of spinless trash they went for it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (39g3+)

116 99

By the way, Airbus is like the Ford Pinto/Yugo of aircraft.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (p4UlV)

If it's not Boeing, I am not going?

Airbus makes good planes. Their subsidized prices are killing Boeing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (jJRIy)

117 By the way, Airbus is like the Ford Pinto/Yugo of aircraft.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:15 PM (p4UlV)

incorrect

Air Bus is the Boeing of Europe and just as reliable

this is not Air Bus

this is terrorism

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

118 84 --- Hey, in fairness to Kim Kardashian, at least she doesn't turn around and complain that no one takes her seriously as a great artiste!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (T/5A0)

119 Air Bus are very reliable aircraft, especially this model

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (zOTsN)

120 Yeah, it clearly was not sold to the American people. There was no big ad campaign, no major push to convince anyone. It had to all be massive bribes and lobbying for GOP votes. And like a pack of spinless trash they went for it.

From what I remember it didn't sell well to the public in the polls...

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (O2RFr)

121 would think they would get off a mayday.Did they?
Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2016 05:06 PM (B48dK)

------------

No. Nothing. That's what makes my spidey senses tingle.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (Fmupd)

122 An electrical short inside the avionics compartment, just below the
cockpit, spread smoke (says in telemetry) into laboratory just near
cockpit...
>>>

Was it a Meth Laboratory?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (wrS2o)

123 Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

Why would Iran want to take down this plane?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (wH8rX)

124 An electrical short inside the avionics compartment,
just below the cockpit, spread smoke (says in telemetry) into
laboratory just near cockpit...

3 more readings that say computer systems, rudder control system knocked out

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

A small thermite bomb with a barometric fuse. The fuse could be timed once the plane reached a certain altitude. Then a small thermite bomb (no bigger than a computer mouse) goes off, ignites control wiring in the Avionics compartment.
And pretty soon, the A320 is in the drink. If and when the black box is recovered, then we will know a lot more.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (RFeQD)

125 >>They're talking about a reboot of McGuyver.

Already announced as being in the Fall line-up for CBS(?).
Young blonde guy w/mullet cast as McGuyver.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (NOIQH)

126 Airbus makes good planes. Their subsidized prices are killing Boeing.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (jJRIy)

yeah, I hate airbus
they cheat like hell with subsidies

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (qCMvj)

127 124 An electrical short inside the avionics compartment,
just below the cockpit, spread smoke (says in telemetry) into
laboratory just near cockpit...

Are they backing away from the bomb theory ?

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

128 Yep, minor electrical problems may sometimes occur after a bomb goes off or a missile strikes.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (HgMAr)

129 the only terrorists I know who do not claim credit are IRANIAN

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:16 PM (zOTsN)

Could be, BUT what is the motive? Iran doesn't have a beef with Egypt and the brotherhood is Sunni, not Shia.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (jJRIy)

130 I have always been partial to Boeings, particularly the long range ones -- B747, B777 and B787, but the Airbus A380 is an awesome plane.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (8ZskC)

131
This is why the Gremlin was pulling pieces off the wing.

So American Motors was behind this plot?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (lKyWE)

132 117 incorrect

Air Bus is the Boeing of Europe and just as reliable

this is not Air Bus

this is terrorism
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

Airbus is crap compared to Boeing.

And yes it was/is terrorism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (p4UlV)

133 A small thermite bomb with a barometric fuse. The fuse could be timed once the plane reached a certain altitude. Then a small thermite bomb (no bigger than a computer mouse) goes off, ignites control wiring in the Avionics compartment.
And pretty soon, the A320 is in the drink. If and when the black box is recovered, then we will know a lot more.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (RFeQD)

I hear ya.
I still think they won't ever tell us the truth. It has to be obvious, or else they'll lie to us.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (qCMvj)

134 Emily Ratajkowski

Never heard of her and I was trying to figure out from a previous thread who Emily (Last name sounding like a vegetable dish made out of eggplant was).

The article of KIstin Stewarts's new film was devastating. She is a terrible actress.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (w4NZ8)

135 123 Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

Why would Iran want to take down this plane?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (wH8rX)

Wait a minute, I've not been watching the NEWS... how did Iran get mixed in to this speculative journalism?

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (sdxPm)

136 I don't see any gremlin on the wing.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (qUNWi)

137 If I explosively remove a wing or the tail, I would imagine the avionics might have a few errors, and there might even be smoke too.

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (aQQbl)

138
You're forgetting the most likely cause:

Don Lemon's black hole. Do you even science, dude?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (p4UlV)

139 So Airbus is nothing like Megabus?

Posted by: William Shatner at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (k4M/B)

140 Holy shit that is a long list.

And those are the ones we know about...

And they say the Illuminati are a fiction...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (9krrF)

141 This is why the Gremlin was pulling pieces off the wing.

So American Motors was behind this plot?

Operation Midnight Rambler

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (8ZskC)

142 Yep, minor electrical problems may sometimes occur after a bomb goes off or a missile strikes.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (HgMAr)

well, if it was detected first under the cockpit, it could have been the pilot or co-

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (qCMvj)

143 Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

Why would Iran want to take down this plane?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (wH8rX)

why did Iran have agents bomb the JCC in Argentina

Egypt is getting very cozy with Isreal

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (zOTsN)

144 Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:20 PM (sdxPm)

No that's ThunderB's theory.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (wH8rX)

145
As Steven Wright once posited, "why don't they just make the entire plane out of the stuff they use to make the black box?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (p4UlV)

146 Heard on the radio news report about the White House shooting: "The President is not at the White House. He's still out golfing."

Of COURSE he is.

Posted by: tsj017 at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (vCBho)

147 The media default mode is now to avoid blaming muslims until it impossible not to.

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (B48dK)

148 they cheat like hell with subsidies

At least with supersonic, the USA didn't bite. Europe tried really hard to make that work, but it was a huge toilet where billions went to die, just to keep the SST in the air. American companies looked at supersonic and said "um, no."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (39g3+)

149 >>Never heard of her and I was trying to figure out from a previous thread who Emily

Fenelon - you wouldn't know her, since she is famous for being in a music video in which she dances wearing only heels and transparent undies.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (NOIQH)

150 >>Emily Ratajkowski

AKA - Blurred Lines Brunette

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (OxUnq)

151 Yep, minor electrical problems may sometimes occur after a bomb goes off or a missile strikes.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (HgMAr)

well, if it was detected first under the cockpit, it could have been the pilot or co-
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (qCMvj)

the bathrooms are right next to the cocokpit

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (zOTsN)

152 This is all speculation. The thing I find curious is the 41 minute gap in communications with the pilot after leaving Greek airspace. Then the sharp left turn followed by a 360 degree turn while descending. Left to it's own devices, an aircraft will basically fly itself in a straight and level attitude. As long as there is no damage to the avionics.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (9iR5/)

153
cockpit...
>>>
Was it a Meth Laboratory?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (wrS2o)

That's it!!! They were cooking crank in the 1st class crapper, and it blew...

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (sdxPm)

154 An electrical short inside the avionics compartment,
just below the cockpit, spread smoke (says in telemetry) into
laboratory just near cockpit...

Are they backing away from the bomb theory ?
Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

no, just reporting what they were told, but said still not confirmed

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (qCMvj)

155 They could have come up with a better name than Airbus, like maybe Airhotrod, or Airformula1.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (HgMAr)

156
From what I remember it didn't sell well to the public in the polls...

No, it didn't. That's why the Republicans had to pretend to be against it. But the people don't matter. obama only needed the Republican Congress to be sold on the deal.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (+YvQf)

157 143 Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

Why would Iran want to take down this plane?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:18 PM (wH8rX)

why did Iran have agents bomb the JCC in Argentina

Egypt is getting very cozy with Isreal
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:21 PM (zOTsN)

As to your question about Iran, because there were Jews there.

And yes, General al-Sisi and the IDF I'm sure are conferring frequently now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (p4UlV)

158 Fenelon - you wouldn't know her, since she is famous for being in a music video in which she dances wearing only heels and transparent undies.

So a Shakespearean Actress....

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (O2RFr)

159 If it's not Boeing, I am not going?

Airbus makes good planes. Their subsidized prices are killing Boeing.

Posted by: Nip Sip

The Europeans think Boeing is subsidized with military contracts from the US Government.

Actually, there are two (sort of) separate companies called "Boeing" (although they are really one corporation). There is Boeing Military Aircraft company (which adsorbed most of McDonald Douglas) and Boeing Civilian Aircraft Company, which makes airliners.
The two business (under one roof) are actually run separately. But from the European viewpoint, we subsidize Boeing commercial aircraft, which makes it alright to subsidize AirBus Industries.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (RFeQD)

160 127
124 An electrical short inside the avionics compartment,

just below the cockpit, spread smoke (says in telemetry) into

laboratory just near cockpit...

Are they backing away from the bomb theory ?

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

I am still going with bad batteries. Those control batteries have overheated before on the ground in both Boeing and Airbus planes

http://tinyurl.com/zdmtyb5

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (jJRIy)

161
Airwolf Blitzer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (p4UlV)

162 They could have come up with a better name than Airbus, like maybe Airhotrod, or Airformula1.

Airpinto seems appropriate at this point. Maybe even Airyugo.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (9krrF)

163 Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (NOIQH)

Is there any group that *isn't* funded by Soros at this point? Certainly seems like that would be the shorter list.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 20, 2016 05:24 PM (GDulk)

164 The media immediately reported that this was likely terrorism. They are now getting other information. I don't think their agenda is to cover up terrorism in this case.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 20, 2016 05:24 PM (wH8rX)

165
The only people who were For obama's deal were the Democrats and a few shrill celebrities (and the Republicans, secretly).

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:24 PM (+YvQf)

166 >>laboratory just near cockpit..

So, it was an experiment gone bad?

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2016 05:24 PM (OxUnq)

167
Operation Midnight Rambler

Careful you're poking a Hornets nest

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (lKyWE)

168 @159

Good point. I think Boeing is mostly pissed at the direct subsidies Airbus gets and the cheap government financing.

Boeing is not clean here, but Airbus is worse.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (jJRIy)

169
the bathrooms are right next to the cocokpit
Posted by: ThunderB

I'm coo coo for cocopit!

Posted by: William Shatner at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (k4M/B)

170

Airbus is making money hand over fist selling huge aircraft to the chinese

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (zOTsN)

171 Trump said it was terrorism we must prove him wrong.

Posted by: MSM at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (wrS2o)

172 148 they cheat like hell with subsidies

At least with supersonic, the USA didn't bite. Europe tried really hard to make that work, but it was a huge toilet where billions went to die, just to keep the SST in the air. American companies looked at supersonic and said "um, no."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (39g3+)

Boeing gambled the whole company on the 747, like it did on the 727 and the B-17. And they won big. They thought the future was moving masses of people cheaply, instead of a few very fast. And thank the enviro-weenies and the residents of Queens near JFK for also killing the SST.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (p4UlV)

173 As long as there is no damage to the avionics.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (9iR5/)

that was the point of the ACAR systems telemetry (data) download that's being analyzed

it noted something amiss under the cockpit first, then spread to the laboratory, etc.

no clue, they are still piecing it together (I didn't know there was another data sharing system between the airplanes and ground, other than the black boxes, etc)

just reporting what they said, I have no idea

if the rudder system did shut down, then that explains the turns

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (qCMvj)

174 It is good that we have experts who can agree on these things and reassure the flying public that these events don't happen all that often.

I, for one, am reassured, even though I refuse to travel by aeroplane; it's the traffic on the way to the aeroport, you see. And those long lines to that stimulating pat down by angry overweight union thugs.

But if I did fly, I would be reassured that everything possible is being done to insure my safety while flying. No expense is too high to reassure the public that mass transportation by air, sea, or land, is safe.

Posted by: Ozwerd Heredolpher at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (M8Hnc)

175 The media immediately reported that this was likely terrorism.

It was the Egyptians who said it was most likely terrorism..

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (O2RFr)

176 Airwolf Blitzer.

Posted by: J. J. Sefton

Was Ernest Borgnine Jewish?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (RFeQD)

177 163 Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:08 PM (NOIQH)

Is there any group that *isn't* funded by Soros at this point? Certainly seems like that would be the shorter list.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 20, 2016 05:24 PM (GDulk)

The NRA and Club For Growth?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (p4UlV)

178 At least with supersonic, the USA didn't bite. Europe tried really hard to make that work, but it was a huge toilet where billions went to die, just to keep the SST in the air. American companies looked at supersonic and said "um, no."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (39g3+)

that whole saga sickened me

so dangerous

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (qCMvj)

179 The Europeans think Boeing is subsidized with military contracts from the US Government.

It's ironic that the U.S. pays so much to Boeing and other defense contractors because we shoulder most of the burden of protecting Europe. Then the Euro-weenies complain that Boeing has an unfair advantage and use it as an excuse to subsidize Airbus prices.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (8ZskC)

180
This blackbox shit is so dumb.

We have the technology to uplink a live data stream to satellites.

But we go through this blackbox bullshit every time a plane crashes.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (+YvQf)

181 176 Was Ernest Borgnine Jewish?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (RFeQD)

I don't think so. But he did masturbate every day.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (p4UlV)

182 Airbus is making money hand over fist selling huge aircraft to the chinese

Until the Chinese have reverse-engineered them and can make them faster and cheaper. At which point the not only make their own but take over Asian and other markets.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (9krrF)

183 re 155: "They could have come up with a better name than Airbus, like maybe Airhotrod, or Airformula1."
in honor of our wondahful president, they could have named it Airugula.

Posted by: Satan, taking a break at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (qSIlh)

184 laboratory just near cockpit..

Was it a gender-neutral lab?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (1ZOkK)

185 To echo (wait, does that make this an "echo chamber"?) what has been said before, and above, the "deal" wasn't "sold" to anyone.

The public - probably hopeless anyway for some time, but that's besides the narrow point here - wasn't "in favor" of the "deal", any more than they were of O-care, which also was never actually "sold" to anyone.

None of this alters the jaw-dropping, but obvious and long known, emptiness and idiocy of the administration (and much of the Beltway, at this point). An ignorant untalented president surrounded by sub-mediocrities and kids even more unfit for their jobs than even the Clinton idiots in the 90s.

Joe Cirincione - or, "Joey the C" as I dubbed him years go - is a very personable, nice guy, who is as intellectually out of his depth with *any* important national security question as Obama is with, well, almost any serious topic. A personable idiot.

It's standard practice here at the HQ to intone "what would they do differently if they were on the other side?" or "how obvious is it that they hate the US?" or "everything they are doing is calculated to weaken the US". While some of this is true, most of it isn't, and none of it is really central.

People just can't seem to grasp that there are Beltway types (now in control, but on the scene for decades) that are, in fact, so clueless that they actually believe their "ideas" or instincts make any sense. Just as in domestic policy, there really *are* whole schools of "thought", whole infrastructures of support and believers, for suicidally stupid ideas in foreign policy.

People here just don't seem to understand how f***ed we are, not by cartoon villains, but by the sub-mediocre, even delusional tendencies of the "elites" and the pathetic, robotic assent or support of most of our degraded fellow "citizens".

Posted by: rhomboid at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (QDnY+)

186 One hundred grand and I still don't believe a word from NPR. FAIL

Posted by: Rick554 at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (x0jsg)

187 I am still going with bad batteries. Those control batteries have overheated before on the ground in both Boeing and Airbus planes

http://tinyurl.com/zdmtyb5
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:23 PM (jJRIy)

--------------

But all the aircraft that have had problems with these batteries have been able to report it in flight and land safely.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (Fmupd)

188 171 Trump said it was terrorism we must prove him wrong.
Posted by: MSM at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (wrS2o)

Nah, he said it was Tourism. Like Arafat.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (p4UlV)

189 It was the Egyptians who said it was most likely terrorism..

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (O2RFr)

Good cover for shitty maintenance work?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (jJRIy)

190 It was the Egyptians who said it was most likely terrorism..
Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (O2RFr)

yes

I think they are now trying to keep a lid on it to quell the fear of flying. So much money is being lost every time something like this happens.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (qCMvj)

191 We have the technology to uplink a live data stream to satellites.

In a catastrophic event that uplink is easily disrupted. The recorder is still the most reliable method of having that information after the fact.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (9krrF)

192 I don't think their agenda is to cover up terrorism in this case.
________________________

Probly not, and yes that was the first reporting, but bet you they try every other angle from here out...

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (aQQbl)

193 Now that we've established that the plane exploded because the meth lab in the 1st Class bathroom was not tended to by the Iranian flight attendants, the only piece of the puzzle left is what means will ISIS use to claim credit for what was obviously an accident?

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (sdxPm)

194 184 laboratory just near cockpit..

Was it a gender-neutral lab?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (1ZOkK)

Equipped with Rob and Laura Petri dishes, no doubt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (p4UlV)

195 But all the aircraft that have had problems with these batteries have been able to report it in flight and land safely.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (Fmupd)

Until now?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (jJRIy)

196
Not a single one of those cocksuckers, Republican and Democrat, who say they support Israel, is telling the truth. They don't give a shit about Israel.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (+YvQf)

197 >>But he did masturbate every day.

Every day but that last day...

Posted by: Zombie Borgnine at May 20, 2016 05:29 PM (OxUnq)

198 I don't think so. But he did masturbate every day.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Well, I heard he had KILLER farts! One of his wives divorced him over that.

Which would explain all the onanism.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:29 PM (RFeQD)

199 Trump said it was terrorism we must prove him wrong.
Posted by: MSM at May 20, 2016 05:25 PM (wrS2o)

he said "looks like"

for as stupid as he sounds sometimes, he does parse his words to be vague and having a way to back out of everything he says

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:29 PM (qCMvj)

200
in honor of our wondahful president, they could have named it Airugula.

Posted by: Satan, taking a break at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (qSIlh)
-------------------------

More like Caligula.

Posted by: iforgot at May 20, 2016 05:29 PM (pC96u)

201
We have data clouds and shit, now.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:29 PM (+YvQf)

202 The Five has a piece coming up of Kanye going off on Ellen Degeneres and her shocked reaction.

Should be good.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:30 PM (1ZOkK)

203 >>People here just don't seem to understand how f***ed we are, not by
cartoon villains, but by the sub-mediocre, even delusional tendencies of
the "elites" and the pathetic, robotic assent or support of most of our
degraded fellow "citizens".

Well that's just depressing.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:30 PM (NOIQH)

204 Narrative Progressive Radicals can suck a turd stain. Smug scrunts with their oh-so-superior voices. Small Things Considered! Weakened Condition! We tell you the culture to worship!

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at May 20, 2016 05:30 PM (ucB75)

205 So straight up infomercials then?

This one wasn't a good one, like Slap Chop, more Shake Weighty.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at May 20, 2016 05:30 PM (dEQP3)

206
Not a single one of those cocksuckers, Republican and Democrat, who say they support Israel, is telling the truth. They don't give a shit about Israel.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:28 PM (+YvQf)
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See my post @81. Who else doesn't care?

Posted by: iforgot at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (pC96u)

207 For some reason I just despise Ellen Degeneres.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (qUNWi)

208 Just so the horde knows I am not giving my man Tillis a break, I emailed him shit about him not voting for Lee's housing amendment.

He said Collins amendment was the same, which Nat Review says is BS.

He's a McC team player now. Not happy.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (jJRIy)

209 American companies looked at supersonic and said "um, no."

Actually, Boeing spent tons of money on developing a giant SST in the late '60's and '70s, but it eventually abandoned the idea. IIRC, a lot of that money came from the federal government.

Check out this mock-up
http://tinyurl.com/j6xwlf6

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (8ZskC)

210 >>>a neat little late Friday covert news fart<<<

Pungent. Heady with hints of lotus blossoms, jasmine, and ass.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (f40FU)

211

there are so many satellites pointed at that region they know damn well what happened to that aircraft

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (zOTsN)

212 207
For some reason I just despise Ellen Degeneres.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (qUNWi)

Who doesn't despise that smug face?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:32 PM (jJRIy)

213 So smoke in the cockpit? Why didn't they have time to radio?

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:32 PM (O2RFr)

214
Jewish lobby groups are a fucking joke, too. No better than Black lobby groups. They don't give a fig about the people they pretend to represent.

I hate fucking lobbyists more than anyone.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:32 PM (+YvQf)

215 For some reason I just despise Ellen Degeneres.

Me too... I can't stand Ellen Degenerate...

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (O2RFr)

216
Buses don't fly, son. Even if they had wings, the windshield would be covered in bugs. Plus all the drunks are in the back making her tail heavy.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (HgMAr)

217 I think I shall begin a project this weekend.

A garden shed made from skulls and bones. *shifty eyes*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (1ZOkK)

218 Ellen Androgynous.

Posted by: Mister Bill Oh No at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (gwG9s)

219 >>I hate fucking lobbyists more than anyone.

Ever try fucking monkeys?

Because, we have an opening for a Monkey Fucker.

Posted by: AoSHQ HR Department at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (OxUnq)

220 >>Joe Cirincione - or, "Joey the C" as I dubbed him years go - is a very
personable, nice guy, who is as intellectually out of his depth with
*any* important national security question as Obama is with, well,
almost any serious topic. A personable idiot.

And yet he was an Obama advisor in 2008 and teaches at the graduate School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. So he's passing on the stupid to others.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:34 PM (NOIQH)

221 Remember when Hillary was pimping Sid Blumenthal's Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce?

Yeah, they always project, don't they?

Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2016 05:34 PM (2Ocf1)

222 216
Buses don't fly, son. Even if they had wings, the windshield would be covered in bugs. Plus all the drunks are in the back making her tail heavy.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (HgMAr)

The Hank Johnson School of Aerodynamics and Tippyness, ladies and gentlemen!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:34 PM (p4UlV)

223 For some reason I just despise Ellen Degeneres.
Posted by: eleven

you know, if you watch her show in small doses, she does have a wacky, off-center humor about her.

But if you watch it constantly, every day, it will make you crazy, blind or angry. She does tend to get on you nerves after a while.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 20, 2016 05:34 PM (RFeQD)

224 But we go through this blackbox bullshit every time a plane crashes.
Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:27 PM (+YvQf)

I heard some guy on some show saying they have been fighting to put the military type black boxes in commercial flights - they float to the surface so there is none of this ridiculous search and rescue in the depths of the ocean. He said that there is a group in Montreal that keeps rejecting it (an international body no doubt). I wonder why.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:34 PM (qCMvj)

225 "Is there any group that *isn't* funded by Soros at this point? "

The VIA family finance council.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2016 05:34 PM (ptqRm)

226
Buses don't fly, son. Even if they had wings, the windshield would be covered in bugs.

Obviously you've never seen Spaceballs

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (lKyWE)

227 I think I shall begin a project this weekend.

A garden shed made from skulls and bones. *shifty eyes*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM

O_o

You guys must have a serious woodchuck problem.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (bzd8I)

228 218 Ellen Androgynous.
Posted by: Mister Bill Oh No at May 20, 2016 05:33 PM (gwG9s)

Ellen Degenerate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (p4UlV)

229 >>A garden shed made from skulls and bones. *shifty eyes*

Bet the homeowners association avoids you like the plague when you're finished...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (NOIQH)

230 We only make Jews sit in the back of the bus

Posted by: Egyptian Air at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (3wHFl)

231 I heard some guy on some show saying they have been fighting to put the military type black boxes in commercial flights - they float to the surface so there is none of this ridiculous search and rescue in the depths of the ocean. He said that there is a group in Montreal that keeps rejecting it (an international body no doubt). I wonder why.

Follow the money.

Posted by: Big Snorkel at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (8ZskC)

232
Obviously you've never seen Spaceballs

That was a Motor home...

Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (O2RFr)

233 "Is there any group that *isn't* funded by Soros at this point? "
__________________________________

I would hope this one, but I haven't seen the books.

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (aQQbl)

234
The Five has a piece coming up of Kanye going off on Ellen Degeneres and her shocked reaction.

Should be good.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:30 PM (1ZOkK)
...................

Is Juan going to be on? I swear the producer must approach him before every show and say: "Here's your check Juan, now be sure to say something really, really stupid".

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (HgMAr)

235 178 At least with supersonic, the USA didn't bite. Europe tried really hard to make that work, but it was a huge toilet where billions went to die, just to keep the SST in the air. American companies looked at supersonic and said "um, no."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:22 PM (39g3+)

that whole saga sickened me

so dangerous
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:26 PM (qCMvj)

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That's not entirely true. The environmentalists made it impossible to fly supersonic over any landfall, which made coast to coast flights impossible. Plus, that was about the time the 747 rolled out and airlines loved the ability of mass movement of paying customers.

The U.S. had several designs ready to be tested, but economics and regulations precluded it.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (Fmupd)

236
Bet the homeowners association avoids you like the plague when you're finished...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2016 05:35 PM (NOIQH)

Gee, I hadn't thought of that. *shifty eyes*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (1ZOkK)

237 For a lefty lezzy, Degeneres is actually rather pleasant and entertaining.

And then she invites Obama.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (p4UlV)

238 A shed made from skulls and bones.

-----------------

Claim you are from Borneo and it represents your cultural heritage.

Posted by: Ozwerd Heredolpher at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (M8Hnc)

239 Seriously, I've often thought that DeGeneres and Maddow would be opting for the sexual reassignment mambo by now.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:37 PM (sdxPm)

240 >>>"build a safe, secure world by developing and investing in initiatives to reduce and ultimately eliminate the world's nuclear stockpiles"

WAIT-WHAT?

Posted by: Max Power at May 20, 2016 05:37 PM (q177U)

241 So smoke in the cockpit? Why didn't they have time to radio?
Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:32 PM (O2RFr)

if the chain reaction theory is true, they lost control pretty quick

spark, fire in the cockpit, smoke went into laboratory while rudder and computer systems were knocked out

plausible, I guess

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:37 PM (qCMvj)

242
Claim you are from Borneo and it represents your cultural heritage.
Posted by: Ozwerd Heredolpher at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (M8Hnc)

Borneo? Porneo!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2016 05:37 PM (p4UlV)

243 Wow. That clip of Kanye ranting on Ellen was...disturbing. He's clearly bat-shit crazy.

The look on Ellen's face was like this:

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:38 PM (1ZOkK)

244 For some reason I just despise Ellen Degeneres.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2016 05:31 PM (qUNWi)
Who doesn't despise that smug face?
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 20, 2016 05:32 PM (jJRIy)

Yup...can't stand that woman. She is a no talent hack but in this day and age everyone is afraid to say so when a "celebrity" sucks balls. All you hear is how wonderful she is blah blah blah.
Paint drying is more entertaining.

Hell, look at George Lopez. Most un-funniest bastard I have ever seen and a racist too boot and he keeps getting TV shows.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2016 05:38 PM (ej1L0)

245
That F*cking Lunatic

http://goo.gl/YFmdQr

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 20, 2016 05:38 PM (iQIUe)

246 I vaguely remember as a kid some of the furor over the US designed SST and flights causing sonic booms and stuff.
I was getting into model rockets about that time I think.

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:39 PM (aQQbl)

247 243 Wow. That clip of Kanye ranting on Ellen was...disturbing. He's clearly bat-shit crazy.

The look on Ellen's face was like this:
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:38 PM (1ZOkK)

Yep, he's one crazy dude. Should be on serious meds, but in our time, no one will even mention his crazy publicly.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2016 05:40 PM (sdxPm)

248 Kanye said a while back he was going to run for president.

Please please please run, Kanye. You'll steal FSAs and LIVs from Bernie and Hell Beast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:42 PM (1ZOkK)

249 223
you know, if you watch her show in small doses, she does have a wacky, off-center humor about her.

But if you watch it constantly, every day, it will make you crazy, blind or angry.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative
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Yep.
My daughter was a big fan of Ellen's ---- as long as all she saw of the show was internet clips.
Then she spent a week at the beach with some friends who watched the whole damned show every day.
Not much of a fan after that!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2016 05:42 PM (T/5A0)

250 Speaking of onanism, apparently Anna Kendrick was really, really fond of Ryan Gosling's performance in Gangster Squad.

http://tinyurl.com/a79c7u8

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:43 PM (39g3+)

251 spark, fire in the cockpit,
___________________________

everything after that I would think would be irrelevant.
What caused the spark and fire is the big question. what would incapacitate the pilots. Maybe they just decided to not talk anymore and push the "red button" themselves.

ala snackbar amigo!

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:43 PM (aQQbl)

252

hehe, Instapundit going with the AOSHQ flow in it's current top link

SCOAMF WATCH: 13 Incompetent Failures in the Obama Administration.

Posted at 5:46 pm by Ed Driscoll

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2016 05:44 PM (qCMvj)

253
So smoke in the cockpit? Why didn't they have time to radio?
Posted by: donna at May 20, 2016 05:32 PM (O2RFr)
......................

Oh, they had time but wasted it trying to open the Twinkies.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2016 05:44 PM (HgMAr)

254 if the chain reaction theory is true, they lost control pretty quick

Unless they were skimming the waves, still time to call in, and they would have.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:44 PM (39g3+)

255 >>>A shed made from skulls and bones.<<<

Tell the HOA you're being financed by Soros and this is just a scaled-down mockup of soon-to-be adjacent basilica.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2016 05:45 PM (f40FU)

256
you know, if you watch her show in small doses, she does have a wacky, off-center humor about her.

Her old standup act wasn't bad,it wasn't political

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2016 05:46 PM (lKyWE)

257 On this day in 685, the Picts beat the Northumbrians.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

****

I think Al Michaels did that broadcast.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 20, 2016 05:46 PM (NeFrd)

258
That's not entirely true. The environmentalists made it impossible to fly supersonic over any landfall, which made coast to coast flights impossible.

That was part of it, but its also just not commercially viable as a concept. Boeing offered to build one, but only if the government propped them up like Europe was. The feds said "get bent" and the project went away. SST never made money, not ever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:46 PM (39g3+)

259
Isn't Egypt Air the airline with the copilot jihadi a few years ago?

I don't know about you all, but I make a point of looking closely at the flight crew when I board a plane. Believe me, I give them "the look," too. The look that says you better not fuck this up. I give all the passengers "the look" too.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at May 20, 2016 05:47 PM (+YvQf)

260 Shed of skulls and bones might be a little tough to make waterproof

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2016 05:47 PM (3wHFl)

261 nood Kanye

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2016 05:48 PM (1ZOkK)

262 >>>I think Al Michaels did that broadcast.<<<

Morley did the color.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2016 05:48 PM (f40FU)

263
So smoke in the cockpit? Why didn't they have time to radio?
Posted by: donna

They were busy inflating Otto.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 20, 2016 05:48 PM (k4M/B)

264 Her old standup act wasn't bad,it wasn't political/i]

Yeah but Ellen never was really very funny either. Some of her jokes made you kind of chuckle. She had no significant career until she declared her lesbitude.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2016 05:49 PM (39g3+)

265 We will see how the narrative plays out between now and Monday morning. Gonna go watch my youngest graduate HS this weekend, peace out and God bless..

Posted by: IP at May 20, 2016 05:49 PM (aQQbl)

266 You have to wonder what drives Soros, other than greed, I mean.
It could be a touching, though misguided, desire to improve the world in order to atone for the sins of his youth.
Then again, it could be Satan.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2016 05:49 PM (T/5A0)

267 Explosive decompression at 37,000 feet would render both pilots unconscious within seconds. Even a small bomb set next to the fuselage would blow a hole in the skin and suck all the air out. Again, we won't know until we get the black boxes and maybe recover some of the wreckage, especially near the cockpit area.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2016 05:50 PM (9iR5/)

268 That review of "Personal Shopper" made me laugh-

Kisten Stewart is pretty "if you like the emaciated junkie look". Her "delivery is excellent in a slightly stoned, lackadaisical kind of way."

"Also, the English dialogue could have used an editor. In recounting her first encounter with the ghost, Maureen somberly declares, She vomited this ectoplasm and left." If only the audience was that lucky."

Sorry, Ace, but Stewart's masturbation and baring her breasts might work for you, but I think I'll give it a miss.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2016 05:50 PM (w4NZ8)

269 That's not entirely true. The environmentalists made it impossible to fly supersonic over any landfall, which made coast to coast flights impossible.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2016 05:36 PM (Fmupd)

___

Yep. If an LA-NY in a2 hour flight option existed - which a Concorde could have done - it would have been a huge money maker. It would have allowed day trips between the two. Same with SF-NY, SY/LA-DC, etc.

But like always liberals fucked it up.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 05:51 PM (0LHZx)

270 This is why I will never fly Emirates. I don't care how luxurious it is, I'm not flying on an airline where every member of the crew is a muzzie.

And yes I realize there are muzzie pilots on BA, AF and others. But not 100% of the crew.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 20, 2016 05:54 PM (0LHZx)

271 The fact that NPR still exists despite conservative cycles in voting shows that we've been sold out.

Posted by: angela urkel at May 20, 2016 06:00 PM (AjTgU)

272 Funding "does not influence the editorial content of their coverage in any way, nor would we want it to," said the Ploughshares spokeswoman.

Nor would we need it to, I would add, since NPR was always going to be in the tank for this deal. The funding just helps get the message out.

Posted by: JPS at May 20, 2016 06:20 PM (mH5lL)

273 Fundamentally transformed.
Them vs us .....

Battle for Spain
http://tinyurl.com/zmzphp6

Posted by: I won't submit at May 20, 2016 08:30 PM (zj+JZ)

274 The Ploughshares financial statement just says "contributions" at over $6M this year. Was that government, Soros...?

Seems like a big money laundering operation to me.

Posted by: PJ at May 20, 2016 09:30 PM (cHuNI)

275 Thank you Sir, I'll have another!

Without lube this time, please!

Posted by: American Citizen at May 21, 2016 03:29 PM (UsCnO)

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