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Saturday Gardening Thread: Rise and Shine! [Y-not and KT}

Y-not: Greetings, gardening morons and moronettes!

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Stairway to Heaven? at the Copenhagen Botanical Gardens

Today's theme is Rise and Shine. There will be more rising (in the form of KT's ladders) than shining at Casa Y-not today as we're experiencing yet another Spring storm. I though April showers brought May flowers, but not here in Kentucky!

Looking at these cumulative rainfall maps at AgWeb, I guess I shouldn't complain too much. Looks like Texas and Florida have really been getting hit!

In any event, the storms have done a number on my sinuses, so my contribution will be quick hits and links from my bookmarks file:

Oh Deer!

A couple of weeks ago the subject of invasive species came up (in the context of burning bushes). Here's a report on the effect that deer populations have on invasive plants' competition with native species:

Clearly deer are shifting the composition of plant species in eastern forests, from distributing seeds that cling to their fur and pass through their digestive systems, to selectively browsing on certain native plants rather than exotic species, the study co-authors write.

Deer also exert significant influence on the structure of the forest, reducing the understory which allows more sunlight to reach the forest floor. After 25 years of relief from grazing deer, seedling height was on average 2.25-times greater in the fenced plot than in the unfenced plot. In addition, four times more tree saplings were found inside the fenced plot.

The changes deer bring to the forest often favor non-native plants, but also have cascading effects on an ecosystem whether or not invasive species are present. In fact, the researchers had originally set out to study the influence of white-tailed deer on birds and small mammals, not on invasive plants.

Might be time for a Gun Thread focusing on the best firearms for deer hunting.

Spring Across the Pond

I've been enjoying noting which of the politicians and writers I follow are interested in plants and gardens. A few weeks ago, I shared a tweet from Justin Amash. This week it's Daniel Hannan. Follow the Twitter thread to see pictures from his weekly "garden" report:

A Garden Fit for a Fairy

Also via my Twitter feed, this is adorable:

Have any of you gotten into the Fairy Garden craze?

Take It Easy

I'm always on the lookout for ways to make my garden beautiful and easier to maintain. Here are some ideas from Country Living. One recommendation they make is to plant lavender near patios because it acts as a bug repellant.

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I've never heard that, but apparently lavender repels mosquitoes. I can say that they are most definitely a bee attractant, something I learned during my years out West when walking my dogs along lavender-lined pathways. My advice is to keep lavender a foot or so back from high traffic areas.

The Benefits of Being Selective

Here's a fascinating link about selective breeding in horticulture that I saw on Glenn Beck's Twitter feed a couple of weeks ago:

Inspired by the recent Peach info graphic, I set out to find the least natural fruit in existence, and decided it was probably the modern watermelon. Take a look below: which one would you rather eat?

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The watermelon, delicious as it is, has increased from 50 mm to 660 mm in diameter, which represents a 1680-fold increase in volume. While ancient "wild watermelons" weighed no more than 80 grams, modern watermelons can range from 2 kg to 8 kg in the supermarket, while the Guiness World Record for the heaviest watermelon recorded exceeded 121 kilograms in the year 2000. Thousands of years of human-induced evolution have worked miracles on these fruits. Let's not forget that they're completely artificial.

I really hate this current trend on the Left of vilifying any human activity as negative. Human activity has been a net positive.

Speaking of positive humans, heeeere's KT:

Hello, Horde. Any news from the yard or garden? Our little Plumcot, introduced by Luther Burbank, has been ripening. It's an unusual fruit tree. Very pretty bark, leaves and blossoms. It is rather slow-growing, and it was slow to start bearing (compared to a Japanese plum or apricot). The fruits are kind of on the mushy side, and most years the flavor is kind of bland. If you catch them just right, though, they have a perfumed flavor, with both some sweetness and a little acid. This year they have been better than usual. Maybe I should restrict water near harvest every year.

LADDERS

I started thinking about ladders this week while caring for the dogs of a hospitalized friend. His mobility has been limited for a while, and his fruit trees are way too tall for him to care for. Way too tall and over-grown for anyone to care for, really. Some heavy equipment including a cherry picker might help. There's a reason cherry pickers are called cherry-pickers. This would be way too expensive for our friend's trees, though. Mr. Bar-the-Door is over there now with a chain saw, cutting out dead undergrowth and live suckers. It's a start.

I am an advocate of keeping most deciduous fruit trees in the home garden short enough to care for from ground level, or sometimes with a little step ladder. We don't always succeed, but we make an effort.

Perhaps those persimmon, pomegranate and apple trees at our friend's house can be brought back to a reasonable size, too. There are instructions out there for taming the big old tree.

Orchard Ladders

Really tall orchard ladders used to be very common in the commercial fruit orchards of the San Joaquin Valley. The tall fruit trees of yore were pruned regularly, and many were majestic plants of great beauty. They took a lot of work to maintain.

The trees in some commercial citrus orchards in the nearby foothills are still fairly tall despite dwarfing root stocks, but most commercial stone fruit trees in the Valley are pretty short now. Ditto apples and pears, though they are less common here. Trees are planted much closer together than in the old days. Many stone fruit trees are now topped straight across the top by saws traveling down rows on a specialized equipment.


Orchard Ladder Alternative

When trees are pruned short with an apparatus like the one above, a lot of hand-pruning, thinning and harvesting can be done from the ground. Trees can be sprayed by an operator in a closed cab. This year, I have seen several huge orchards in which long rows of stone fruit trees are covered with a filmy gossamer-like netting. I don't know if it is for protection from insects, sunburn, hail, birds or something else. But the sight is impressive. Must take some fancy equipment to cover the rows. Many of these orchards are made up of really short trees - considerably shorter the apple trees in the photo above.

But back to trees in the home garden. A relatively short orchard ladder can still make sense for landscaping today. The most common kind of orchard ladder has only three legs. The tripod design increases the stability of the ladder, and the top is narrower, making it easier to place among trees. Here is a contemporary example.


All about orchard ladders

From a site about Japanese Gardening, how to build your own tripod ladder.

Do you have a favorite style of ladder?

The Farming Ladder

Interesting title for a book. I ran across a very enthusiastic combination book review/blog post by a guy who inherited some farm land and decided to improve it. "This is a fascinating and life-changing book! I have said that before about other books. . . " This post includes musing on how to read books of value. Speaking of musings, don't miss Oregon Muse's highly-acclaimed Sunday Morning Book Thread tomorrow. Clarity is a great thing.


The kitten is "just for clicks"

This blogger also has a nice post from April about the magic of planting trees.

I'm sure there are other things you can do to build inter-generational memories but trees put down roots. There is a giant burr oak tree in my pasture that my grandpa Chism said was always big. Roots. Ties to previous generations.

What is that worth?

Where are you planting your trees? You don’t need a farm. You just have to stay put for a while.

Looks like some of those trees he values still require ladders. Harvesting fruit from those ladders will become part of the memories. I still think that short fruit trees are a good idea for a lot of people, though.

Victor Davis Hanson has suggested that people with a working connection to land, particularly farmland, help keep a society grounded in reality. Further to Y-not's informative segment above on deer population, here's an example of what happens when the Ruling Class loses its connection to working the land:

Last week, the de Blasio administration unveiled their plans to manage Staten Island's exploding deer population by giving every single male deer a vasectomy.

Maybe it would be a good idea for them to learn something about how successful farmers think. Might be interesting for some of us, too. You can get a copy of The Farming Ladder through the AoSHQ Amazon Store. "This fascinating work is thoroughly recommended for those with an interest in the farming industry and its historical technologies and developments."

Plant Ladders

We have mentioned plant ladders more than once in our discussions of supports for tomatoes and other plants. I think that the plant ladder below is kind of different and interesting. There are also directions for a horizontal tomato trellis in a raised bed here.


horizontal plant ladder

If that one is a bit pricey for you, The Survival Sherpa has detailed directions for building your own plant ladders.

Ladders for Locusts and other grasshoppers

Big brains aren't always best?


O.K. Ladder-walking locusts succeed with small brains.

Those locust ladders have a novel design. When did a locust ever build a ladder for a scientist to climb on?

Is it just me, or do we have some headline sensationalism going on in the scientific press? I get that most insects with long feelers and small eyes use feeler-leg coordination to walk. But is anyone really bowled over to learn that insects with great big eyes and short feelers can use their eyes instead of their feelers to determine where to put their feet when landing after flight, or when walking?

Seems to me that the real news here is that the study clarifies the suitability of the locust (a big, short-horned grasshopper) as a study model for limb control. Maybe I am missing something. Any neuroscientists in the audience?

Those wee little locust ladders are interesting, but my main personal concern with all sorts of grasshoppers is keeping them from using my plants as ladders. And then as dinner. Yes, grasshoppers can be kinda cute. One at a time. But what happened near Chico last year was alarming. Grasshoppers lined up on wire fences. Covering the sides of houses. Decimating plants. I thought that this was locust behavior.

Here are some suggestions concerning grasshopper-resistant plants and biological controls. I don't think that hand-picking them and saving them for a neighbor to use as fishing lures would have worked in Chico. Besides, grasshoppers fly. In my experience they will often use visual cues to guide their tiny brains to coordinate evasive action when somebody tries to capture them. And big grasshoppers can hurt you a little when they kick.

If you still want to catch them by hand, maybe with a net, and don't have a neighbor who fishes, remember that NPR and the UN would like you to consider eating these insects. The name "Locust" comes from a word that also means "Lobster" in vulgar Latin, and there IS a Locust Lobster.


Everything's better with some garden produce.

Jacob's Ladder

Most species of Polemonium, or Jacob's Ladder, are from arctic or alpine regions. Members of The Horde in cooler climes may find this plant to be very useful in part shade to full shade. Some cultivars succeed under trees where adapted. Polemonium is reportedly deer-resistant.

There are many wild species in the USA and Canada. Some choice types are grown by enthusiasts. But garden clones are usually the easiest for the average gardener to grow. I think that the variegated ones show the ladder-like arrangement of the leaves best.


Polemonium caeruleum 'Snow and Sapphires'

Sky Pilot is pretty short for a ladder. It is unlikely that this is the Jacob's Ladder you would choose for your garden. It usually grows at 10,000 to 14,000 feet in areas with little visible soil. "The flowers are at full bloom for approximately one day apiece in the very short period of appropriate flowering conditions. The plant has a strong scent reminiscent of urine which attracts pollinators to its short-lived flowers. . . "

I am glad that a graduate student associated with the Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden hiked up to a "Sky Island" in the mountains to my east to take the photo below. Geology buffs may be interested in the details. Sounds like a rugged trip. He was able to confirm that Global Warming has not killed off this plant yet. Whew.


Sky Pilot


Y-not: Thanks, KT!

KT's section on Jacob's ladder prompted me to share this:

Follow this link for a "tour" of home and garden writer Kevin Lee Jacob's garden in Hudson Valley New York. You'll even spot some Jacob's ladder!

And here's an appropriate song to go along with the tour:

I kind of dig it.


What's happening in YOUR gardens this week?

Link to the Saturday Gardening Thread archives here.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:30 PM




Comments

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1 I left an open italics tag in that first picture legend.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 21, 2016 12:26 PM (Wztg5)

2 Blog's in the Barrel.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 21, 2016 12:27 PM (D0J8L)

3 Good job, kt!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 21, 2016 12:28 PM (Wztg5)

4 Good morning, fellow gardeners!

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 12:30 PM (044Fx)

5 Kitty!

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 12:31 PM (e3bId)

6 1. Caught it.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 12:31 PM (qahv/)

7 Y-not on the phone at May 21, 2016 12:28 PM

Thanks.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 12:32 PM (qahv/)

8




I dig your song, too, Y-not.

I also liked the biggest male choir in the world (Welch) singing Jacob's Ladder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXYVHXHcFts

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 12:37 PM (qahv/)

9 China produces the most watermelon?

Don't know how I feel about that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 21, 2016 12:44 PM (ptqRm)

10 Long thread! Looks like I am getting rain out the *ss too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 12:48 PM (vvmPQ)

11 Rainy here as well. Will don the tall rubber boots and play in the mud garden after a while.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 12:52 PM (044Fx)

12 Ah cherry trees. Mine is still showing no leaves after that late freeze.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 12:52 PM (vvmPQ)

13 Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 12:52 PM

If possible, try to keep the ground from being over-saturated with water while your cherry trees have no leaves.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 12:55 PM (qahv/)

14 Pinetree Seeds carries a lot of stuff for those interested in fairy gardens.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 12:58 PM (qahv/)

15 13 If possible, try to keep the ground from being over-saturated with water while your cherry trees have no leaves.


Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 12:55 PM (qahv/)

hard to do when it rains every day for a month.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 12:58 PM (vvmPQ)

16 Isn't Galadriel at the top of those stairs?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 21, 2016 01:02 PM (Wckf4)

17 Nice list of plants at your "lavender repels mosquitos" link, Y-not. I was surprised at the basil repelling mosquitoes video.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:04 PM (qahv/)

18 hard to do when it rains every day for a month.
Posted by: Vic
---------------------
Ugh.
With the exception of yesterday, I couldn't tell you the last time it didn't rain here. Walking on the lawn is like balancing on a giant sponge.

Posted by: Chi at May 21, 2016 01:11 PM (ewTXf)

19 I just harvest my garlic Thursday. I'm still tying and hanging.

My garden/hydroponics is awesome but it's stressing me out to the max. Farmer's markets start this week and I'm terrified a lettuce eating alien is coming in his ufo or a squash crocodile is crawling out of the swamp before I can get anything sold. I had a pig slip one of the back fences, I loaded him up that night and sent him on his way the next morning before he could find the garden.

I have peppers, squash, tomatoes, basil, cukes, and lettuce all ready to eat.

Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 01:15 PM (T93Jd)

20 Maybe they only make mosquito repellent from basil in Japan. I would be interesting to see a scientific comparison of the mosquito-repelling power of those 31 plants. Not that you can grow all of them in your garden.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:17 PM (qahv/)

21 Good luck at the Farmer's Market, Traye.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:18 PM (qahv/)

22 Vic, there are some plant foods with tiny amounts of peroxide in them which are touted as helpful for saving plants when the soil gets saturated.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:19 PM (qahv/)

23 Well the grass sure likes all that rain anyway.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 01:22 PM (vvmPQ)

24 Thanks. I have literally never been so stressed in my life and I've done a lot of things that most world find stressful to the max.


There is so much good, my soil is looking so much better than when I got here and the whole thing is growing about three times bigger/better than last year, but there is an extreme amount of effort and a whole lot of money sitting there "almost."


Hard work is no guarantee of success.

Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 01:25 PM (T93Jd)

25 One of our climbing roses was knocked down by wind the other day. Rather, the ties which held it to its trellis broke... my bad...

I bought a bunch of 12- and 18-inch stretch cords to reattach it. Bonus, they're easy enough to move around as plants grow or need pruning. Downside: the elastic degrades over time, but replacements are cheap enough.

I get cords like these locally (and even cheaper!):

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hryskbr

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 01:25 PM (044Fx)

26 JQ, I use cotton twine from the dollar store, it degrades too but to me that's a feature, i don't have to sturdy m worry with cleaning up ties.

Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 01:32 PM (T93Jd)

27 Asparagus is growing like crazy. Spargel soup every third day. Yum.

Posted by: sinmi at May 21, 2016 01:33 PM (phVEj)

28 Traye at May 21, 2016 01:25 PM

"Hard work is no guarantee of success."

One of the realities taught by farming, for sure.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:34 PM (qahv/)

29 Traye,
Good luck.
I think you're the Moron that was talking about growing tons of garlic a few months back.
After learning a bit from that day, I stuck a few dozen cloves in the flowerbed out front. Way later than I should have, but they're growing well.
I figure I have at least a month before they ready.
? We'll see.

Posted by: Chi at May 21, 2016 01:36 PM (ewTXf)

30 Traye, I used to use twine, but it's now hard for me to tie the knots. Plus, I can pop the hooks into place with heavy gloves *on*.

Give blood: grow roses. Lol.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 01:37 PM (044Fx)

31 Oh, and best of luck at Farmers Market, Traye!

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 01:39 PM (044Fx)

32 So this is what - global wettening?

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 01:42 PM (e3bId)

33 sinmi at May 21, 2016 01:33 PM

Do you have any secrets for keeping weeds out of your asparagus, sinmi?

Sounds delish.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:43 PM (qahv/)

34 Chi, I grew about 1000 heads this year. I found the kind that really likes it here, Early Red Italian, so I'm going for about 3000 next winter. I told mama she has to take this week off next year to help me bundle and hang.


JQ, my old house had 30 roses, I love them. I have 3 here and don't think I'll ever have the time to make another proper rose garden.

Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 01:43 PM (T93Jd)

35 Weasel at May 21, 2016 01:42 PM

Wish we had some global wettining around here.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 01:44 PM (qahv/)

36 I live just outside of D.C. and we have only had a few days without rain, or so it seems, in the last month.

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 01:49 PM (e3bId)

37 Y-not and KT, would it be possible to include a Garden Thread primer on plant, shrub and tree pruning sometime? Best time of year to prune, do's and dont's, etc...?

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 01:53 PM (e3bId)

38 I think Spring is finally here. The trees and bushes are mostly leafed out and the wind is blowing. A sure sign of Spring.

Posted by: Ronster at May 21, 2016 01:53 PM (mXIZj)

39 We don't have a Proper Rose Garden-- just a few lovely shrubs and climbers here and there.

A couple more in pots, to be planted this weekend. One was a gift from my grandmother, which she had propagated from one Mom (gone 14 yrs now) gave to her.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 01:55 PM (044Fx)

40 I like Daniel Hannan and those are lovely bluebells to be sure, but he hasn't seen our gorgeous Virginia bluebells, I'm guessing.

Wishing they lasted longer than they do.

Posted by: bluebell at May 21, 2016 01:57 PM (2WwbN)

41 Bluebell, you're a Virginian? Me too!

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 01:59 PM (e3bId)

42 Judging from your comment above, I think we probably live in the same county.

Rainy and cloudy and gross for about three weeks here. Except for yesterday, and for Mother's Day, which was glorious.

Posted by: bluebell at May 21, 2016 02:01 PM (2WwbN)

43 JQ, one of mine is from my granddads farm. I've started and left at least one everywhere I've lived as an adult outside of living in Hawaii.

Old vigorous grower, not a climber but you can make it do it if you want, pale pink blooms and when it gets big it's a wall of flowers.

Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 02:03 PM (T93Jd)

44 I'm down here in Norfolk. This seems like the wettest spring we've had in years. Certainly the coolest in recent memory.

As to pruning shrubs, I know two things:
*prune flowering shrubs soon after they're done blooming.
*hedge clippers are not the best tool for the job

Posted by: Chi at May 21, 2016 02:05 PM (ewTXf)

45 37 Y-not and KT, would it be possible to include a Garden Thread primer on plant, shrub and tree pruning sometime? Best time of year to prune, do's and dont's, etc...?

Yes, it is possible. We might want to separate pruning tips out by plant type, though: Broadleaf and needled evergreens, deciduous shrubs, fruit and landscaping and trees, for example.

Is there a category that your are especially interested in for the near future, Weasel?

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 02:05 PM (qahv/)

46 42 well howdy, neighbor.
Yep, pretty wet so far. My grass looks great but it would be nice to spread a little of this rain throughout the year.

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:06 PM (e3bId)

47 ...one of mine is from my granddads farm
...


That's awesome, Traye.

The best plants come with stories.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 02:09 PM (044Fx)

48 Well my trees are so big I have to hire a company to trim them, so mostly ornamental shrubs? Azaleas? Rhododendrons? I have some boxwood but I'm not trimming them - they have suffered during some of the snows we've had over the last couple of years.

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:10 PM (e3bId)

49 37
Y-not and KT, would it be possible to include a Garden Thread primer on
plant, shrub and tree pruning sometime? Best time of year to prune,
do's and dont's, etc...?

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 01:53 PM (e3bId)


That Better Holmes and Garden Gardening book I posted one here a few weeks ago has all that kind of stuff in it.
The name of it is The Complete Guide To Gardening and you can still buy it used from Amazon.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 02:11 PM (vvmPQ)

50 I need all the mosquito repellent plants. I have lavender everywhere. It doesn't seem to help.
The bugs are bad this year.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2016 02:11 PM (egOGm)

51 49 thanks for the tip, Vic.

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:13 PM (e3bId)

52 Off I go.

Weasel, we shall meet again at Philippi - or perhaps Giant or Costco.

Posted by: bluebell at May 21, 2016 02:17 PM (2WwbN)

53 Azaleas? Rhododendrons?

Weasel, here's a page to try:

http://rhododendron.org/plantcare.htm

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 02:17 PM (044Fx)

54 The bugs are bad this year.
Posted by: CaliGirl

I think we have so many chickens now that bugs are scarce here, it's kind of weird to me, bug central with few bugs.


How's the farming? I've mostly missed the comments for a free weeks.

Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 02:18 PM (T93Jd)

55 Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:10 PM

Looks like you are already getting some good suggestions, but we can post something soon, too.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 02:22 PM (qahv/)

56 The de Blasio administration's deer vasectomies are still cracking me up.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 02:24 PM (qahv/)

57 I have a pair of Magpies nesting. I don't know how desirable they are. They clean up dead stuff. That's good.

Posted by: Ronster at May 21, 2016 02:24 PM (mXIZj)

58 Thanks everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:25 PM (e3bId)

59 See you around, bluebell! Stay dry - more rain through Monday.

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:29 PM (e3bId)

60 Not much happening, 3 of 6 cucumber sprouts I bought died not sure why.

Birds in general I find are good, invasive species aren't.

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2016 02:31 PM (3wHFl)

61 60 Dude. Crop failure. Apply for federal aid and subsidies.

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2016 02:33 PM (e3bId)

62 Emperor Fuckstick to EO banning horseraces in jiff.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 21, 2016 02:34 PM (89T5c)

63 I'm seeing insects are bad, but we didn't have a hard frost this winter.

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2016 02:37 PM (3wHFl)

64 Nood Pet thread is up

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2016 02:45 PM (3wHFl)

65 So nothing happening in the planting world for me, still need to plant tomatoes started from seed. Been stalled by mom being in the hospital. Hope to get back out and plant something, anything on Sunday.
Have cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower and lettuce doing great. Peas, potatoes and strawberries coming along slowly. Weather has been cool and rainy.
Had a few volunteer pumpkins starting in the woods where I threw away the Halloween decorations. Guy spraying our Asiatic honeysuckle nuked them. Asiatic honeysuckle in OH like kudzu in the south. Hard to get rid of and very invasive. Had 2 + acres cut down and sprayed.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 21, 2016 02:49 PM (+wjl1)

66 Posted by: Traye at May 21, 2016 02:18 PM (T93Jd)
Hey Traye,
We are busy lettuce ramps up in April. We are harvesting blueberries for a few more weeks, then the blacks are ready.
You are lucky with the no bugs, we have mosquitos on the lawn at night.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2016 02:51 PM (egOGm)

67 Anyone else have a problem with slugs climbing low fruit trees? I found slime trails all over my apricot, and last week I realized that they were destroying my potted lemon - they would suck on the leaves from underside so the damage was hidden but the poor plant was nearly dead when I noticed and started drowning the bastards.

I started with sluggo (iron phosphate) but that kills skinks too, and skinks eat slugs so I didn't like that approach. Now I use beer traps (but with yeast and sugar instead of beer since I do not have it in me to waste beer on slugs.)

I guess big trees can better handle the pests, and in CA they have shells and probably can't climb that high in the dry heat. But the apricot is still young and Japan is humid so they apparently were climbing up it every night and eating whatever the aphids and earwigs had left behind.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 21, 2016 02:53 PM (LWu6U)

68 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 21, 2016 02:53 PM (LWu6U
I tried the beer traps, they didn't work for me. I go outside with a flashlight and get the slugs by hand. If they live the night I give them to he chickens.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2016 02:58 PM (egOGm)

69 caligirl,

You need to put the chickens on a leash and train them to to stand guard at night. Give them little miner's lights and a clip board to keep a record.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 21, 2016 03:09 PM (LWu6U)

70 My pepper collection on Hell Patio is doing great, despite the cool weather and one big hailstorm. I'm getting decent production already. They're all in containers: two earth boxes, and the rest in grow bags.
Getting spoiled because I haven't had to water at all--yet.

I went to the Lone Star Land Steward awards(given by Texas Parks and Wildlife to private landowners who've made improvements to their land) the other night, and was reminded that ranchers in TX NEVER complain about rain, because drought is always the corner. Growing up in a ranching family, there could be cows floating away down the creek, but no one would ever say there'd been too much rain.

Posted by: stace at May 21, 2016 03:29 PM (ozZau)

71 Gentlemen,
I like this leash, I'll need to do some research for the miners light.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z5tys5d

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2016 03:39 PM (egOGm)

72 Stace,
I asked about the ivy. They use a weed eater first, then spray with a mixture of roundup and something that kills on contact.
I think he said one is systemic and the other kills in 3 hours.
The roundup will not hurt established trees. My trees are hundred year old oaks.
The round up we use is not the same as what is for sale at Home Depot.
It would make me nervous spraying round up on a tree.
I would listen to KT's advice.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 21, 2016 03:48 PM (egOGm)

73 Residential grade roundup will not hurt a good sized tree but I would not use it on trees less than 3 or 4 feet tall. I have used it on small scrub oak trees but I had mixed it double strength and hit it two or three times.


However, that said, you can walk by a tomato bush with it in your hand and it will kill it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2016 03:55 PM (vvmPQ)

74 At the local master gardener club seminar in a couple weeks there is one session called Fairy Gardens. I had no idea what that was til now!
Veg garden doing great w zucchini going nuts. But man one of the roses just gets rust over and over. I had used copper spray earlier but had to get serious and rip off most the leaves and spray the hell out of it with Serenade. I hope his works as its a pretty lavender color. The roses I planted here are all the resistant varieties.
If you really want to bring the bees in, plant borage. All my borage plants sound like there's a huge in there. But they're so happy in the flowers they never go after anyone.

Posted by: keena at May 21, 2016 03:56 PM (ND10K)

75 Like there's a hive. Not a huge. Damn auto cucumber

Posted by: keena at May 21, 2016 03:57 PM (ND10K)

76 Thanks, CaliGirl. From both of y'all's info, it seems to makes sense to whack it first, then herbicide it.

Now, if I can just tear myself away from the computer...

Posted by: stace at May 21, 2016 03:59 PM (ozZau)

77 One of my favorite nurseries carried fairy garden pieces for awhile. I think they must have saturated the market because they don't carry as much now. It's really cute stuff though.

A few weeks ago at a nautical flea market I purchased a painted metal sculpture of a dung beetle doing his thing. I forgot about it until this morning, but now he's doing his thing in my living room. Everyone knows what a tasteful and classy household I run.

Posted by: stace at May 21, 2016 04:05 PM (ozZau)

78 that special angel
you've been dreamin' of
with a flower from the garden
the garden of looooove

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 21, 2016 04:25 PM (6FqZa)

79 Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 21, 2016 03:09

"You need to put the chickens on a leash and train them to to stand guard
at night. Give them little miner's lights and a clip board to keep a
record."

Heh,

One idea for snails and slugs in trees is to put a little copper collar around the tree trunks. You have to make sure that there are no branches touching the ground. You can also use the thin copper strips to protect raised beds.


Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 05:27 PM (qahv/)

80 stace at May 21, 2016 03:29 PM

Interesting about the ranching families never complaining about rain.

Let us know how the grow bags do in your climate when things get hot.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 05:52 PM (qahv/)

81 Ronster at May 21, 2016 02:24 PM

My grandmother had a magpie in the front yard when my mom was growing up. It made her angry by mimicking her when she called the kids into the house.

You may be able to train them to take food from your hand.

Posted by: KT at May 21, 2016 05:58 PM (qahv/)

82 "Interesting about the ranching families never complaining about rain."

yeah, I thought is was maybe just the folks I know, but at the event I attended there were people from all over TX, and everyone was nodding and laughing when a couple of speakers joked about that.

Posted by: stace at May 21, 2016 07:38 PM (ozZau)

83 Rain, rain, rain... light sprinkles on/off all day, so hubby and I laid out new water system while the digging was easy.

Got more corn starts potted, "Glass Gem" which is a *very colorful* popcorn/ornamental. Here they are as sprouts (these should've been planted yesterday, they're a bit long, but will probably be okay):

http://tinypic.com/r/15qeutf/9

Last Sunday, made *dozens* of cuttings of little succulents from an area we're clearing out. They root so easily! I thought the "Steppables" at Home Depot were pretty, so copied that idea:

http://tinypic.com/r/2s1apmr/9

Now time for a hot shower-- we're both drenched and chilled to the bones!

Posted by: JQ Flyover at May 21, 2016 10:34 PM (044Fx)

84 Neat succulents, JQ.

Just a reminder to everyone not to plant sweet corn with ornamental corn, field corn or popcorn. They will ruin each other.

I think ornamental popcorn is a great idea.

Posted by: KT at May 22, 2016 12:04 AM (qahv/)

85 I have a gal friend who does her own styles of ornamental pottery. She started doing fairy garden stuff and it's a lot of her sales now.

http://tinyurl.com/z682lxc

Posted by: Gordon at May 22, 2016 09:22 AM (OqIaQ)

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