Ralph Nader: Hillary a "Corporatist, Militarist Democrat" Who's Only Going to Win the Nomination "By Dictatorship"

The liberal activist says Trump has brought some important issues to the fore.
"He's questioned the trade agreements. He's done some challenging of Wall Street-- I don't know how authentic that is. He said he's against the carried interest racket, for hedge funds. He's funded himself and therefore attacked special interest money, which is very important," Nader says. "But he's lowered the level of political debate to unheard-of depths of salacious, slanderous and vacuousness, garnished with massive self-boosterism and repetition."
"And that's not good, because that brought a lot of money into the media and that's the kind of debates they're going to want to goad."
When asked what positive contributions Clinton has made to the 2016 campaign, Nader called her a "corporatist, militarist Democrat" who would have been defeated by Sanders if every state held an open primary.
"She's going to win by dictatorship. Twenty-five percent of superdelegates are cronies, mostly. They weren't elected. They were there in order to stop somebody like Bernie Sanders, who would win by the vote," he says.

Posted by: Ace at 04:07 PM

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1 Something new...

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 04:07 PM (DrCtv)

2 Didn't even know Nader was still alive.

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 04:09 PM (DrCtv)

3 Al Gore says hi.

Well that may not have been exactly what he said...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 04:10 PM (9krrF)

4 Ooooh, Ralph Nader! Let's all listen...

Posted by: tu3031 at May 13, 2016 04:10 PM (YFFpo)

5 Well,he's right that the fix is in for Hils.

Posted by: steevy at May 13, 2016 04:10 PM (B48dK)

6 Whoa. I've been noticing a lot of lefties very happy with Trump. Right now I think its more happiness that whoever is elected will like single payer healthcare, higher minimum wages, and be against free trade.

But maybe Trump will sucker them.

Posted by: Harun at May 13, 2016 04:10 PM (UBBWX)

7 She's unsafe at any speed.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 04:10 PM (k4M/B)

8 I didn't know Nader was still alive. So Nader is feeling the Bern?

Speaking of militaristic Democrats - The House GOP announced that they are going to hold hearing on whether IRS Chief Koskinen misled Congress and violated a subpoena. Will anything come of it? Probably not but it at least will expose more illegal acts against Americans by this Administration.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 04:10 PM (oiNtH)

9 #2, I think he made his escape from being held prisioner under Jerry Brown's bed

Posted by: the Butcher at May 13, 2016 04:11 PM (AGJqR)

10 HH - ya beat me to it.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (oiNtH)

11 I saw Ralph on pbs the other night, he never fails to entertain me.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (6Ll1u)

12 Dear Ralph:

You, you boob, give the 'corporatist' exactly what they want: A huge, powerful government with money and favors to dispeunse. You're the one who built that Honey Pot, you're the one that constantly demand it grow and swallow up increasing resources and funds, that it have the power to do anything and everything. All the incompetence and corruption and cronyism is all yours, asshole, OWN IT.

Posted by: Obligatory at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (Pby3z)

13 Hey! I'm still alive too you know! I think...

Posted by: Gary Hart at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (YFFpo)

14 Nader is a five (!) time presidential candidate - I don't know if that defines insanity or persistence or both.

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (a0IVu)

15 He's right, you know.

Posted by: Pete Seria at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (/pOl7)

16 Leftist rips on leftist - that always warms my heart.

God, I hope Bern makes a third party run.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (u0lmX)

17 Didn't he invent seatbelts in cars?

Posted by: Weasel at May 13, 2016 04:13 PM (e3bId)

18 Ralphie should run one more time!

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:13 PM (v0YLX)

19 Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 04:12 PM (oiNtH)

Heh. It's just an easy assumption for anyone to make.

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 04:13 PM (DrCtv)

20 I want the Bernie-bots to go postal

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (mEZce)

21 You know fuck curteous discourse and high minedness.

We are fucking in serious trouble and I for one welcome a plain spoken vulgarian who can speak directly without fear or pretense.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (7GJvw)

22 Run Ralphie Run!

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (v0YLX)

23 But does he believe in aliens ? Next Hardball !

Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (gs8be)

24 Good Lord. I agree with Ralph Nader on something. What does that mean?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (O0lVq)

25 "vacuousness" --> "vacuity"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (oKE6c)

26 Points and giggles at Nader...how do that law of unintended consequences work, Ralphie, boy?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (kXoT0)

27 We should all get his address and send him $5 or $10 with a note saying "Please Run!"

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:15 PM (v0YLX)

28 High discourse is the left telling us how racist and homophobic we are.

Low discourse is when we throw it back in their face.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (KUaJL)

29 Good Lord. I agree with Ralph Nader on something. What does that mean?
Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2016 04:14 PM (O0lVq)

My guess is the old saw about a stopped clock being right twice a day, wherein, Ralphie be da clock...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (kXoT0)

30 Corporatist?

Izzint that Fascist?

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (AKCQt)

31 So, I'm not sure what the game is with Y-not.

Another sidebar article on Trump, in which Y-not headlines it that Trump's new energy advisor is recommending a carbon tax. So I click on the link provided and the headline says that Cramer is recommending Trump NOT endorse a carbon tax.

Also linked are two scores for Cramer. One from Conservative Review of an F. So I look at that one, and CR 's review says Cramer is conservative on energy, and often votes with the Republican Caucus, but drifts left sometimes.

Ok. So I guess that brands the guy with an F, according to Conservative Review.

So Trump has the guy join the campaign as an energy advisor, something CR praises Cramer's views and action on.

But am I supposed to be shrieking right now as to how Donald lied to all of us to get the nomination, he's picking lefty cronies to aid his campaign. His energy advisor pick gets praise from Conservative Review.

He didn't pick him as VP. And the headline on the sidebar article is factually incorrect.

So what is the game? Just to make sure everyone reads the articles?

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (2I2BK)

32 Why do moonbats go crazy of this "carried interest" crap anyways?

Can't they be happy with the funds they already confiscate?

Posted by: Defenestratus at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (ew7rf)

33 Time to draft Jerry Brown?

Bwahahahaha! I kill me!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (oKE6c)

34 We will all be required to wear uniforms with vaginas sewn onto the crotch in the coming Hillary vaginatatorship.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (4ErVI)

35 27 We should all get his address and send him $5 or $10 with a note saying "Please Run!"
Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:15 PM (v0YLX)

---------------

He killed the Corvair. Fuck 'im.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 04:17 PM (Fmupd)

36 If our political class were really space aliens in disguise, plotting to weaken and destroy the human race, what would they do differently?

Posted by: angela urkel at May 13, 2016 04:17 PM (hSjsk)

37 Every time someone like Marco or Mitt get high-minded and courteous, it always translates to 'Fuck You.'

Posted by: Obligatory at May 13, 2016 04:17 PM (Pby3z)

38 Ralph Malph, All talk. Very low energy guy. Oh, look, Ralph Nader is speaking, let's listen, said E.F. Hutton. Ketchup stain on his jacket. Loser !

Posted by: Deh Don at May 13, 2016 04:18 PM (gs8be)

39 A conservative friend who enjoys poking dogs with sticks through picket fences asked a mutual liberal acquaintance of ours whether he prefers Hillarhoid or Bernie.

The acquaintance didn't respond to the question, but instead went on a rant about Trump.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:18 PM (oKE6c)

40 Here is his contact info

Ralph Nader
P.O. Box 19312
Washington, DC 20036

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:18 PM (v0YLX)

41 I find it hard to disagree with anything Nader said... in the quote ace provided. He is without a doubt a Lefty who has a very different vision about what America should be than I do, but he is spot on about Hillary and not far off with Trump. He does think Clinton will defeat Trump, but concedes Trump may win. He has that backwards I think, but otherwise, sound analysis.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 13, 2016 04:18 PM (R+30W)

42 He's pretty much spot on. Which bothers me. Because agreeing with Unsafe at any Speed, is disturbing.

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:19 PM (sdxPm)

43 One wonders if Nader gets Christmas cards from G W Bush...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 04:19 PM (9krrF)

44 Ralph Nader - Unsafe at any age.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:19 PM (aQQbl)

45 Well, that's four people I don't like in this election, Clinton, Sanders, Trump and Nader.

Posted by: obsidian at May 13, 2016 04:20 PM (ARK2U)

46 He killed the Corvair. Fuck 'im.
---
well, a Corvair killed me. Fuck them.

Posted by: Ernie Kovacs at May 13, 2016 04:20 PM (5PGBa)

47 32 Why do moonbats go crazy of this "carried interest" crap anyways?
Can't they be happy with the funds they already confiscate?
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 13, 2016 04:16 PM (ew7rf)

The truly laughable part? A hefty proportion of hedge fund managers are lefties. See, e.g., young Mezhinvisky or whatever his effing name is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:20 PM (oKE6c)

48 Only one question- what restroom does Ralph use?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2016 04:20 PM (O0lVq)

49 If our political class were really space aliens in disguise, plotting to weaken and destroy the human race, what would they do differently?

One would generally expect higher hamster futures if they were reptoids. Not sure about Zeta Reticulans or pod people though.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (9krrF)

50 My dad had a corvair when I was a kid, fun car. And it didn't go all splody on us at all.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (6Ll1u)

51 But he's lowered the level of political debate to unheard-of depths of salacious, slanderous and vacuousness

Watch it, bub. You're awfully close to horning in on my shtick.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (2WoCi)

52 Ralph Nader is a terrific guy....believe me.

Posted by: John Miller at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (/lmqg)

53 use?
Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2016 04:20 PM (O0lVq)
The red one.

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (sdxPm)

54 "But he's lowered the level of political debate to unheard-of depths of
salacious, slanderous and vacuousness, garnished with massive
self-boosterism and repetition."

"And that's OUR shtick, so what's a pro-American type doing appropriating our tactics?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (oKE6c)

55 one fascist asshole who had no business being President talking about another fascist who has no business being President.

next thread please?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 13, 2016 04:21 PM (5PGBa)

56 Good news, Mr. Felcher. I thought it was a polyp but it was really an undigested Skittle. *munch*

Posted by: E. T. at May 13, 2016 04:22 PM (hSjsk)

57 @45, I find it hard to hate Bernie. I mean his policy ideas are insane but then so is he. And hearing him rant and rave like a lunatic with his thick accent is rather amusing.

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 04:22 PM (a0IVu)

58 That guy is full of shit.

Posted by: The Corvair at May 13, 2016 04:23 PM (m6oW5)

59
Ok. So I guess that brands the guy with an F, according to Conservative Review

----

Cooties.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 13, 2016 04:23 PM (AKCQt)

60 By the way, anybody still in states that have a primary coming up?

Since we know we are stuck with the Donald, and he will win the GOP side easily; shouldn't you go give Bernie some love, and a useless vote?

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:23 PM (v0YLX)

61 57 @45, I find it hard to hate Bernie. I mean his policy ideas are insane but then so is he. And hearing him rant and rave like a lunatic with his thick accent is rather amusing.
Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 04:22 PM (a0IVu)

Same here. He's obviously batshit crazy, and amusing when he plays the vertical piano while ranting in that accent, but he's obviously sincere and means well. He just needs meds, that's all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:24 PM (oKE6c)

62 60, I plan to. Heh.

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 04:24 PM (a0IVu)

63 Only one question- what restroom does Ralph use?

Posted by: Marcus T

Depends.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2016 04:24 PM (OcD4G)

64 Read the sidebar for this ONE Earth-Shattering fact about Trump's Energy plan that he DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!!!! (click next)

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2016 04:24 PM (2cS/G)

65 RUN, RALPH! RUN!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (LUG6K)

66 Corvairs, like the older 911's were pretty tail heavy, and just like throwing an arrow backwards, wanted to spin around. So poor driver skills, riding on marginal bias ply tires, and attempting to stop on drum brakes made them what I call "sporty".
Fun as hell to push to the limits and a lot cheaper than a Porsche to wreck.

I liked them, but hey, YMMV right?

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (aQQbl)

67 This is what high minded discourse means

You are blocked from following @MomsDemand and viewing @MomsDemand's Tweets

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (mEZce)

68 >>I find it hard to hate Bernie. I mean his policy ideas are insane but then so is he. And hearing him rant and rave like a lunatic with his thick accent is rather amusing.

Next time you start laughing at him, remind yourself that communists have killed tens of millions of people. Commies are pure evil even if they sound like loons.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (/tuJf)

69 By the way, anybody still in states that have a primary coming up?

Since we know we are stuck with the Donald, and he will win the GOP
side easily; shouldn't you go give Bernie some love, and a useless vote?
---
i re-registered here in #Failifornia, just so i could vote for Bernie...

not that i think he needs my vote to win here in the insane asylum.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (5PGBa)

70 45, I find it hard to hate Bernie. I mean his policy ideas are insane but then so is he. And hearing him rant and rave like a lunatic with his thick accent is rather amusing.
Posted by:

He's a perfect example of the early 20th century IWW, I expect him any day to reference Joe Hill, or maybe drag out the execrable Joan Baez, to bust out a few "workers songs".
Fun fact, Sanders panhandled with Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger.

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (sdxPm)

71 I find the number of Sandernistas who prefer Trump to Hillary to be concerning.

Posted by: JT at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (CZaQB)

72 The corvair was air cooled or is my brain failing me?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (6Ll1u)

73 Same here. He's obviously batshit crazy, and amusing when he plays the vertical piano while ranting in that accent, but he's obviously sincere and means well. He just needs meds, that's all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:24 PM

Fuck that guy. His ideas are dangerous and getting na�ve collegiate SJW's to buy into his shit is dangerous. Socialism fails everywhere, it's just the level of suck that's different. Just because he's like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving doesn't mean the fucker isn't dangerous. Screw him and his brain dead lemmings.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 04:27 PM (m6oW5)

74
By the way, anybody still in states that have a primary coming up?
................

CA. Closed primary. A whole half page in the booklet about who can vote for who. Doesn't matter to me because I'm always voting against somebody anyway and my guy has never won. So I'll probably write in Jake from State Farm.

Posted by: wth at May 13, 2016 04:27 PM (HgMAr)

75 71 I find the number of Sandernistas who prefer Trump to Hillary to be concerning.

Posted by: JT at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (CZaQB)

That's Mr. Trump.

Posted by: John Miller at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (/lmqg)

76 I think my grandmother had a Corvair in the mid 60s. She lived in Duluth MN, which is all hills and all ice in the winter.

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (v0YLX)

77
71 I find the number of Sandernistas who prefer Trump to Hillary to be concerning.
Posted by: JT at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (CZaQB)

Eh, maybe they're Nationalist Socialists....

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (sdxPm)

78
I may be dead but I don't think it's to late for me to jump in the race.

Posted by: Pat Paulsen 2016 at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (yfObW)

79 Yes, they were air cooled.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (aQQbl)

80
Occupations of persons from Panama Papers

https://goo.gl/gJOEoR

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (iQIUe)

81 Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (6Ll1u)

I think it was. Plus wasn't it front-wheel drive?

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (DrCtv)

82 60 By the way, anybody still in states that have a primary coming up?

Since we know we are stuck with the Donald, and he will win the GOP side easily; shouldn't you go give Bernie some love, and a useless vote?

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:23 PM (v0YLX)

++++

Depends on which Dem you think would match up better against Trump. I think Trump will have a better shot against Hillary. She is widely disliked and as they would say in the military, she is a target rich environment.

Also, the so-called Trump Democrats. Teamsters and other non-government union types. I think Trump will have an easier time stealing them from Hillary than he would against Sanders.

On the other hand, on the off chance that Trump loses, I would rather see a President Sanders than see Hillary in the White House.

Isn't game theory fun?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (R+30W)

83 Ralph Nader, another useful idiot who's only claim to fame is a pack of lies he put in his book, mainly about the Corvair. I am surprised that GM did not sue his sorry ass into oblivion.

It is far past time for him to join Rombley and McShitty to STFD and STFU.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 04:29 PM (vvmPQ)

84 Ralph Nader? I had assumed he was dead.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 04:29 PM (evdj2)

85 Posted by: wth at May 13, 2016 04:27 PM (HgMAr)

But are Jake's pants properly creased?

Posted by: DC pundit knob at May 13, 2016 04:29 PM (v0YLX)

86 Yes, they were air cooled.
Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (aQQbl)

From what I know of them, they looked like a nonoptimum date car.

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:30 PM (sdxPm)

87 On Trump's supposed heresies:

The issue isn't Free Trade per se. It's that after we do a Trade Treaty the other countries practice de facto Mercantilism so it winds up unbalanced. The Big Global Companies don't care, because they don't care about your typical American. Sadly, neither does Paul Ryan. 45% tariffs is a threat to push for reform. That said, we have plenty to do on our side of the fence as well, including ending overburdening regulation and reforming our tax system.

If you say you're going to repeal Obamacare you need to say that you won't let people die in the streets, else the Left and MSM will say that you're going to let people die in the streets.

It's politic to dance with not being opposed to a small increase in the minimum wage, or better still leave it to the states to account for local cost-of-living differences.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 04:30 PM (r1fLd)

88 17 Didn't he invent seatbelts in cars?
Posted by: Weasel at May 13, 2016 04:13 PM (e3bId)

Actually, Col. John Paul Stapp had a lot to do with that.

Posted by: rickl at May 13, 2016 04:30 PM (zoehZ)

89 I find the number of Sandernistas who prefer Trump to Hillary to be concerning.

Here's a thought. Everyone's paranoid that Hillary folks are crossing over to get Trump nominated, but what if Trump folks are also crossing over to get Sanders nominated?

#OperationRoundRobinCharlieFoxtrot

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 04:30 PM (9krrF)

90 Who cares what that garbagewagon thinks about anything ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 13, 2016 04:30 PM (gUoN4)

91 Stock they had an anemic flat 6cyl in the back, rear wheel drive

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:31 PM (aQQbl)

92 He banned Corvair? But that's my favorite brand of cognac.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 13, 2016 04:31 PM (hSjsk)

93
He's a perfect example of the early 20th century IWW, I expect him any day to reference Joe Hill, or maybe drag out the execrable Joan Baez, to bust out a few "workers songs".
Fun fact, Sanders panhandled with Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger.

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:25 PM (sdxPm)

Heh. You made me think of Tom Lehrer's "Folk Song Army:"

Remember the war against Franco?
That's the time where each of us belongs.
Though he might have won all the battles,
we had all the good songs!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 04:31 PM (u0lmX)

94 Stock they had an anemic flat 6cyl in the back, rear wheel drive

Kel-Mark (I think) sold a nifty adapter to mount a small block Chevy V8 to the transmission.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 04:32 PM (evdj2)

95 I think my grandmother had a Corvair in the mid 60s. She lived in Duluth MN, which is all hills and all ice in the winter.

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM
....I lived there for a while in college. There's some very steep hills there. We lived 3/4 of the way on top of one of them. One morning my roommate woke me and told me that his car and my truck were stolen. They were such massive pieces of shit I couldn't believe it. Didn't take long to figure out what happened. We'd had an ice storm with a 1/4 inch of ice covering everything. Our cars slid a couple blocks down and were resting against a light pole.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 04:32 PM (m6oW5)

96 I find the number of Sandernistas who prefer Trump to Hillary to be concerning.
Posted by: JT at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (CZaQB)

It's the outsider mantra. They believe Bernie is an outsider, despite the fact that the old codger has been in congress for 26 years. And was a local gov. official and politician for a decade before that.

The Berniebots aren't deep thinkers. They are reactionaries, who believe all the fairy dust stuff Bernie says, like free college, free health care, no defense, etc. So when Trump says anything that smacks of getting at banks, not sending troops into undefined wars, etc. it goes along with their overall views.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (2I2BK)

97
He's obviously batshit crazy, and amusing when he plays the vertical piano

Is that something else to look up in the urban dictionary?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (k4M/B)

98 Ralph Nader should run third party. Wreck Em Ralph.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (8cSVB)

99 Third Party Ticket!

Sanders/Nader

It's a Winnah!

Please do it, comrades.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (hTqVx)

100
82 60

++++

Depends on which Dem you think would match up better against Trump. I think Trump will have a better shot against Hillary. She is widely disliked and as they would say in the military, she is a target rich environment.

Also, the so-called Trump Democrats. Teamsters and other non-government union types. I think Trump will have an easier time stealing them from Hillary than he would against Sanders.

On the other hand, on the off chance that Trump loses, I would rather see a President Sanders than see Hillary in the White House.

Isn't game theory fun?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 13, 2016 04:28 PM (R+30W)

OK Now throw in Hillary gets indicted and Slow Joe and the Indian Princess are thrown in to replace her. They will pick up both factions.

If Bernie is the nominee, doesn't matter if Hillary gets indicted.

Posted by: DC pundit knob at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (v0YLX)

101 Ralph Nader: Unsafe at Any Speech

Posted by: Obligatory at May 13, 2016 04:35 PM (Pby3z)

102 Ralph Naders?

I loved him as Gomer Pyle.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 04:36 PM (NeFrd)

103 This moonbat's moonbat has his own little radio show on moonbat Pacifica radio. Till they fail cuz scientific socialist economics and their never ending "fund raisers" loose their license.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at May 13, 2016 04:36 PM (ucB75)

104 He's obviously batshit crazy, and amusing when he plays the vertical piano
Is that something else to look up in the urban dictionary?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (k4M/B)

Nope. I was referring to his habit of holding his hands palms out to the audience, and then repeatedly pushing them out toward the audience and back to emphasize a point. I find it irritating after about, oh, 10 seconds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:36 PM (oKE6c)

105 Kel-Mark (I think) sold a nifty adapter to mount a small block Chevy V8 to the transmission.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 04:32 PM (evdj2)

___________________________________________

I was long grown up when I saw my first one of those and couldn't believe it. Oh the possibilities.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:37 PM (aQQbl)

106 Speaking of automobiles and weight distribution, I recently got an answer to a question that had nagged at me for years. My car, a Chrysler Sebring, has a battery located in such a way that you have to remove the driver's side front tire, a mud guard and a large clamp in order to change it. Had a guy who worked at Chrysler for 25 years change mine for me a few weeks ago, and he told me the reason for it's location was the "60/40 Ratio" Chrysler came up with. Exactly 60% of the weight in the front half, 40% in the rear, supposed to aid in handling. Putting the battery where it is was apparently a necessary evil to achieve correct weight and balance.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2016 04:37 PM (2cS/G)

107 Seatbelts

My dad's 57 T Bird had seat belts.

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:37 PM (v0YLX)

108 >> Kel-Mark (I think) sold a nifty adapter to mount a small
>> block Chevy V8 to the transmission.

The Corvair's an interesting little car, another example like so many of GM taking an interesting and technically advanced concept and quitting at 80% on the engineering because the beancounters came down on them.

The aluminum Buick V8, the Vega, the Corvair, the Rochester mechanical FI, all kinds of stuff.

The V8 conversions were mostly Crown. Kelmark did some stuff too. But I wouldn't do a V8 conversion on one now. It's not that hard to make real power out of the six. The biggest powertrain limitation is that it needs another gear or two, and it's not easy to get a 5-speed anything in one.

Posted by: JEM at May 13, 2016 04:37 PM (o+SC1)

109 71 I find the number of Sandernistas who prefer Trump to Hillary to be concerning.
Posted by: JT at May 13, 2016 04:26 PM (CZaQB)

Not necessarily. They're probably just aware of how vile and corrupt she is.

Posted by: rickl at May 13, 2016 04:37 PM (zoehZ)

110 Fun fact: Nader didn't even have a drivers license when he wrote his famous book

Posted by: brak at May 13, 2016 04:38 PM (MJuTN)

111 "loose" --> "lose"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:38 PM (oKE6c)

112 Ralph Nader.
I can't believe Alice stayed with him all those years. And how mean he was to Ed Norton.

Were all bus drivers like him?

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:38 PM (2I2BK)

113 In 77 I helped a friend fix up a corvair, put fender flairs on it and did a crappy paint job. He would live with mom 5 months of the year and travel the country doing whatever work he could get. I caught a ride with him as far as Phoenix when he sold the corvair. His daily driver was a 69 Chevelle

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:38 PM (6Ll1u)

114 Just because he's like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving doesn't mean the
fucker isn't dangerous. Screw him and his brain dead lemmings.

Agreed. I can tolerate him as the senator from a state that 35 cities are larger then and where all he's doing is basically pulling down a paycheck, but I don't want this commie lunatic anywhere near a position of real power.

Posted by: tu3031 at May 13, 2016 04:39 PM (YFFpo)

115 Putting the battery where it is was apparently a necessary evil to achieve correct weight and balance.

And to ensure maximum charges at all the dealerships for service.

Posted by: Obligatory at May 13, 2016 04:39 PM (Pby3z)

116 When a crackpot is right, he's right.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 04:39 PM (0LHZx)

117 While we are on the subject of shitty ars, where the hell was Ralph when the K cars plagued the nation?

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:39 PM (sdxPm)

118
Ralph Nader: Hillary a "Corporatist, Militarist Democrat" Who's Only Going to Win the Nomination "By Dictatorship"

It's only every fucking conservative in the US who's been saying this for DECADES. If that commie cocksucker had bothered to actually LISTEN to a conservative now and again, it wouldn't be such a surprise.

Welcome to the party, pal....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2016 04:40 PM (eDaPX)

119 Putting the battery where it is was apparently a necessary evil to achieve correct weight and balance

.... and confuse AutoZone employees for decades to come.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:40 PM (aQQbl)

120 I was on a school bus in the 60's and a Corvair came flying by, cut in front of us, lost control and flipped into the ditch. We stopped and the guys in it crawled out (no seat belts worn) and were fine.

We declared Corvairs safe and the driver stupid.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 04:40 PM (hTqVx)

121 106

Great idea, now what happens when you throw Fat Ethel and Big Bernice in the back seat?

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:40 PM (v0YLX)

122 Ralph Nader? Is he still wearing those same verkakte suits?

Is he still scaring people?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2016 04:41 PM (ej1L0)

123 Missed a whole thread while out doing battle with tent caterpillars

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 04:41 PM (3wHFl)

124 Sidebar is garbage.

Happy Friday horde.

Posted by: Phone of kari at May 13, 2016 04:41 PM (o9I7J)

125 The Berniebots aren't deep thinkers. They are
reactionaries, who believe all the fairy dust stuff Bernie says, like
free college, free health care, no defense, etc. So when Trump says
anything that smacks of getting at banks, not sending troops into
undefined wars, etc. it goes along with their overall views.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:34 PM (2I2BK)

They're also idiots, needless to say. I always laugh when I see college students babble their support for free college tuition. Hey geniuses, has it ever occurred to you that by the time Bernie or anyone else could implement that policy you'll be OUT of college, and therefore PAYING FOR IT, rather than benefiting from it? It's like bulls coming out foursquare for bullfighting.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:41 PM (oKE6c)

126 Jem hit it dead on.. GM always quits early.
The Fiero was almost roadworthy when they killed it. The Olds Aurora should have lived much longer too.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:41 PM (aQQbl)

127 Sidebar is garbage.

It's a Safe Space.

Posted by: Obligatory at May 13, 2016 04:42 PM (Pby3z)

128 Andrea Mitchell whining that Sanders is being mean to Hillary and won't stop fighting to beat her.

"But isn't the bottom line...that she is now fighting a war on two fronts? She's getting beaten up by Donald Trump on a daily basis ... he has been embracing you, he is building you up. He likes the fact that you're taking her down."

http://tinyurl.com/guztz3h

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:42 PM (39g3+)

129 Great idea, now what happens when you throw Fat Ethel and Big Bernice in the back seat?

*****

"Bad news, Bernice. You're going to have to sit on the hood."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 04:42 PM (NeFrd)

130 Sidebar is garbage.

Which one?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 04:42 PM (evdj2)

131
Socialism fails everywhere, it's just the level of suck that's different. Just because he's like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving doesn't mean the fucker isn't dangerous. Screw him and his brain dead lemmings.
Posted by: Minnfidel

Concentration camps are fun. I saw it on Hogan's Heroes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 04:42 PM (k4M/B)

132 You know, it's an enjoyable novelty to have an old lefty describe a Democrat as a dictator for a change. Normally, they only apply that word to Republicans.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 04:42 PM (u0lmX)

133 >> Putting the battery where it is was apparently a necessary
>> evil to achieve correct weight and balance.

Well, technically, 60/40 is good for a FWD car and it's going to be nice and safe and understeery but as a general rule for performance you want somewhere close to 50/50. You'll almost never get there in a FWD car. BMW, et al spend real money (aluminum front structure, trunk-mounted battery, etc.) taking weight off the nose to get there.

The Lincoln LS of a few years back was a similar example, it was supposed to sell in Europe against the 5-series/E-class but then Ford bought Jaguar and Volvo. In the US the Lincoln brand was (and is) so weak they couldn't get 5-series money for the LS, and the car was too expensive to build to sell for what American buyers would pay for it.

Posted by: JEM at May 13, 2016 04:43 PM (o+SC1)

134 How's this for a coikidink, my family owned both a corvair and a pinto. Both supposed death cars, but yet here I sit typing on my phone

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:43 PM (6Ll1u)

135 "60/40 Ratio" Chrysler came up with. Exactly 60% of the weight in the front half, 40% in the rear, supposed to aid in handling. Putting the battery where it is was apparently a necessary evil to achieve correct weight and balance.

Posted by: Lincolntf

That or the unions demanded easier line-assembly.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2016 04:43 PM (OcD4G)

136 Time to go set up for tonight's big rock show.

Carry on, and watch those Corvairs.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 04:43 PM (hTqVx)

137 110 Fun fact: Nader didn't even have a drivers license when he wrote his famous book
Posted by: brak at May 13, 2016 04:38 PM (MJuTN)

He should've collaborated with Rachel Carson (/spit) on another book: "Silent Springs."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:43 PM (oKE6c)

138 You know as soon as someone writes The sidebar is garbage anyone who didn't see it is going to go look.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 04:44 PM (3wHFl)

139 I never understood why they even had that Ralph guy on the show. Potsie and The Fonz got all the good lines.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 04:44 PM (NeFrd)

140 I didn't know the Nadering nabob of negativism still had his juice in the game.

Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2016 04:44 PM (UzPAd)

141 The thing about Corvairs I liked was that you never went all that fast, even so they were so damn hard to control in turns them it seemed like light speed. I had a Fiat 124 like that too.
hahaha

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (aQQbl)

142 My car's backseat usually has a 110-pound dog in it, and the trunk is so full of stuff (fishing gear/bad weather gear/random tools/usually a 40 lb. of dog food) that I'm pretty sure I cancel out all their engineering.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (2cS/G)

143 know as soon as someone writes The sidebar is garbage anyone who didn't see it is going to go look.
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 04:44 PM (3wHFl)

Marketing....

Posted by: kraken at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (sdxPm)

144 I was referring to his habit of holding his hands palms out to the audience, and then repeatedly pushing them out toward the audience and back to emphasize a point.

He probably used to be pointy and they trained him to do that instead, to avoid it. You can see all the politicians do it, they bend their fingers or hold an object, or make a fist. Pointing at the camera seems mean and accusatory (although Clinton used to do it).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (39g3+)

145 The Sidebar Censors are calling from inside the comments!

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (mcm0N)

146
Dictators are gonna dick, that's what they do.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (ODxAs)

147
I saw the Tent Caterpillars open for Adam and the Ants at the Cow Palace back in '81.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (eDaPX)

148 I didn't know the Nadering nabob of negativism still had his juice in the game.
Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2016 04:44 PM (UzPAd)

He's 82 years old. He and Bernie, "The Odd Couple".

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (2I2BK)

149 By the way, anybody still in states that have a primary coming up?

Since we know we are stuck with the Donald, and he will win the GOP side easily; shouldn't you go give Bernie some love, and a useless vote?

Posted by: rd at May 13, 2016 04:23 PM (v0YLX)

That's exactly what I just did. I don't think there's any way the Hildebeast can lose the nomination, given her lock on the crony/superdelegate vote, so I just want her to look as bad as possible right up to the convention. Plus, every time she loses a state primary, there's the non-zero chance of her blowing a gasket and blurting out something memorable and stupid.

Posted by: HTL at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (gVyJ+)

150 >>>> Missed a whole thread while out doing battle with tent caterpillars
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 04:41 PM
----
Oh man, you poor guy. Those things are disgusting and prolific. When they do that circle formation thing on the tree trunk. It's so horrible to witness.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (6IPEM)

151 Every car is designed around only the weight of the driver. That's the secret flaw of the electric car/hybrid deal. They come up with all the stats on power and range based on one guy in the driver's seat. No passengers, no luggage, no groceries, no car seat, no pile of stuff in the back floor well. Funny how just a little added weight kills gas mileage and electrical range.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (39g3+)

152 There is an open primary, it's called the general election.

Posted by: deepelemblues at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (RIk/h)

153 140 I didn't know the Nadering nabob of negativism still had his juice in the game.

Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2016 04:44 PM (UzPAd)

Ralph still remembers his old comrade Bernie with fondness. He'll never forget the fun they had together when they stormed the Bastille.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (u0lmX)

154 He probably used to be pointy and they trained him
to do that instead, to avoid it. You can see all the politicians do it,
they bend their fingers or hold an object, or make a fist. Pointing at
the camera seems mean and accusatory (although Clinton used to do it).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:45 PM (39g3+)
He points, too, as he goes into the windup, but when he's really rolling he starts playing the vertical piano.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 13, 2016 04:46 PM (oKE6c)

155 That there is even the possibility that a declared Socialist has a chance to be elected President is the cherry on top of the shit sundae which was electing a Muslim named America hater only 7 years after 9/11.

How far we have fallen so quickly.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (8cSVB)

156 Do you guy's go over to votermom's Trump only safe place--to co-ordinate your complaints about the sidebar?

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (mcm0N)

157 How's this for a coikidink, my family owned both a corvair and a pinto. Both supposed death cars, but yet here I sit typing on my phone

All you lacked was the self-immolating Fiat 850 Spyder.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (evdj2)

158 "It's not open for discussion, Bernice. The rule says 60/40. You're two-fitty on a skinny day, and Ethel is only a buck ninety-five. So have a seat and hang on to the hood ornament."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (NeFrd)

159
Ralph Naders?

Maybe you should cook them a little better.

Posted by: wth at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (HgMAr)

160 Bernie would get killed in the general. He has no appeal outside of the base he already has voting for him, at least some of whom are doing so as an anti-Hillary protest vote.

The good news is that Bernie voters can be enticed to stay home in the general, which is half-a-vote for Trump every time.

For all their criticism of the Republican process, MSM hasn't talked at all about how their Inner Party left Democrats no effective choice other than to pick Hillary. And Hillary still can't put him away.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (r1fLd)

161 ***"Another sidebar article on Trump, in which Y-not headlines it that Trump's new energy advisor is recommending a carbon tax. So I click on the link provided and the headline says that Cramer is recommending Trump NOT endorse a carbon tax."***

Right, he's not recommending a carbon tax, he's calling it a fee.

Try reading past the headline sometime.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 13, 2016 04:48 PM (Wckf4)

162 Anyone seen my dick tape?

Posted by: C. Jenner at May 13, 2016 04:49 PM (Qa6Z0)

163 Bernie would get killed in the general. He has no appeal outside of the base he already has voting for him, at least some of whom are doing so as an anti-Hillary protest vote.

I actually think he'd do pretty well because he actually generates passion and excitement with his base. Hillary generates reluctance, dread, and repugnance. They'll vote for her, but only with a clothespin over their nose and wincing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (39g3+)

164 Scariest ride I ever had was a Cosworth Vega. Two months later I sold it. Nothing like that should have ever been sold to the public.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (aQQbl)

165 Donald Trump is now threatening the 401(k)s of ordinary Americans "Who owns the most U.S. Treasury bonds? China? Japan? Saudi Arabia? The answer: None of the above. It's us. We Americans own almost $5 trillion in Treasury bonds, all told." (hat tip @KenDiesel on Twitter) [Y-not]

*********

Is that the one bugging you guys the most?

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (mcm0N)

166 134 How's this for a coikidink, my family owned both a corvair and a pinto. Both supposed death cars, but yet here I sit typing on my phone
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
-------------------
I used to sleep on the back window "package tray" on road trips.
And don't get me started on that way-cool death trap of a rear facing seat in the old station wagon (68 Vista Cruiser?).

Posted by: Queen Clinton at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (dJIuC)

167 >> The thing about Corvairs I liked was that you never went
>> all that fast, even so they were so damn hard to control in
>> turns them it seemed like light speed. I had a Fiat 124 like
>> that too.

Very few cars were in those days. We forget how scary the average Falcon or Chevelle was at 100mph.

Now, anything will go that fast, and it'll stop from those speeds, and it'll probably even stay on the road doing it.

Though frankly I flogged a '69 Beetle for a few years and found it to be an incredibly planted, tossable car. First year of the semi-trailing-arm IRS.

Four-wheel drums but with all the weight on the rear they worked fine. All you needed was maintenance (lots of maintenance, Beetles had solid lifters and no oil filter, so a girlfriend who liked to have sex on the garage floor under a car was a good - no, AMAZING - thing) and good tires.

Posted by: JEM at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (o+SC1)

168 >>>>> Sidebar is garbage.
------
At least it's not full of Marco Rubio's garbage.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (6IPEM)

169 Do you guy's go over to votermom's Trump only safe place--to co-ordinate your complaints about the sidebar?
Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (mcm0N)

My only complaint is that is deliberately inaccurate. It's World Weekly News inaccurate.
All it needs is a vampire boy raised by giants in a subdivision of Chicago and I won't know which publication I am reading.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (2I2BK)

170 All you lacked was the self-immolating Fiat 850 Spyder.

Next up, a Tesla!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (39g3+)

171
It's a tax!

*slap*

It's a fee!

*slap*

It's a tax!

*slap*

It's a tax AND a fee!

Posted by: John Roberts at May 13, 2016 04:51 PM (eDaPX)

172 I got about half of what was out there but some are so high and on big branches in don't know how to get them. But those I could were incinerated with extreme prejudice in a burn barrel.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 04:51 PM (3wHFl)

173 Damn sock...

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 04:51 PM (dJIuC)

174 Socialism fails everywhere, it's just the level of suck that's different. Just because he's like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving doesn't mean the fucker isn't dangerous. Screw him and his brain dead lemmings.
Posted by: Minnfidel

Concentration camps are fun. I saw it on Hogan's Heroes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
.Yea the nice French guy bakes shit. Seriously, the idea that he's got as much support as he has should be scary. Crazy uncle or not. Fuck that guy. And the idiots who think socialism is a winner.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 04:52 PM (m6oW5)

175 Try reading past the headline sometime.

See... this doesn't help. Why not say something like "yeah, but in the body you can see he just calls it a fee instead" like we're friends here?

Why does it always have to end up who can kick each other in the crotch the hardest?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:52 PM (39g3+)

176 Son of a birch !

http://tinyurl.com/h5sxhs4

Posted by: jsg at May 13, 2016 04:52 PM (gs8be)

177 The sidebar is garbage

What's not to be interested in perky breasts exposed to secret service agents guarding Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 04:53 PM (3wHFl)

178
How's this for a coikidink, my family owned both a corvair and a pinto. Both supposed death cars, but yet here I sit typing on my phone
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

Texting while driving a Corvair. Running into a Pinto.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 04:53 PM (k4M/B)

179 >> I actually think he'd do pretty well because he actually
>> generates passion and excitement with his base.

If the goal is for the Democrats to take Trump voters then Bernie's their candidate.

Much bigger Venn overlap between Bernie and Trump voters. Of course, that also implies Trump could take Bernie's.

Posted by: JEM at May 13, 2016 04:53 PM (o+SC1)

180 Ralph should offer to play a game of Jarts with Hillary.

Posted by: ajmojo at May 13, 2016 04:54 PM (1H9ox)

181 My only complaint is that is deliberately inaccurate. It's World Weekly News inaccurate.
All it needs is a vampire boy raised by giants in a subdivision of Chicago and I won't know which publication I am reading.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (2I2BK)

********

So--it is the treasury bill article? And it's only that article?

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:54 PM (mcm0N)

182 Texting while driving a Corvair. Running into a Pinto.

LOLcrashboom #brbcaronfire

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 04:54 PM (9krrF)

183 Now, anything will go that fast, and it'll stop from those speeds, and it'll probably even stay on the road doing it.
_____________________________________

They don't even mention drum brake fade anymore in reviews. Never owned a beetle but yep, you gotta keep em serviced. Buddy of mine rebuilt a motor from a broken rod in the parking lot of a Kmart in St.Louis one weekend. Right tools, and anything was possible.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:54 PM (aQQbl)

184 @6: "and be against free trade."

Where is free trade actually practiced these days?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 13, 2016 04:54 PM (rznWS)

185
This guy is really into properly maintaining fences - or else!

https://twitter.com/fucked_fences

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 04:55 PM (iQIUe)

186 Son of a birch !

*****

Dude married a tree? I hope her bark was worse than her bite.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 04:55 PM (NeFrd)

187 I pretend to be more rational than Kirk, but really, I just suck at chess.

Posted by: Mr. Spock at May 13, 2016 04:56 PM (hSjsk)

188 If the goal is for the Democrats to take Trump voters then Bernie's their candidate.

I think that's also true: he's their "F the Man" protest vote and if he falls at least some will give Trump a look.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 04:56 PM (39g3+)

189 @46: "well, a Corvair killed me. Fuck them."

Yeah? Well a Corsair killed me, so....

Posted by: A Japanese Zero pilot at May 13, 2016 04:57 PM (rznWS)

190 Fastest scariest car that I ever rode in was a 68 GTX, his other car was a 49 Ford, gloss black paint with gold crushed velvet interior and all chrome knobs on the dash, beautiful car.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 04:59 PM (6Ll1u)

191 The sidebar needs an infusion of genderfluid cats. That would fix it.

Posted by: Catlyn, genderfluid kitteh at May 13, 2016 05:00 PM (hSjsk)

192 Now, go GXT fast sitting in a flimsy POS Vega..... oh boy the ass pucker factor is level 10.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:01 PM (aQQbl)

193 The first car I had a 72 Mustang moved, had it up to 120 mph a few tiimes.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 05:01 PM (3wHFl)

194

If the goal is for the Democrats to take Trump voters then Bernie's their candidate.

Much bigger Venn overlap between Bernie and Trump voters. Of course, that also implies Trump could take Bernie's.

Posted by: JEM at May 13, 2016 04:53 PM (o+SC1)

********

I doubt Trump takes many of Bernie's voters in the long run. Right now they are pissed off and still battling Hillary--I think this is reflected in the current uptick of the 18 to 34 year old demographic support for Trump in the latest Quinnipiac polling of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Some people feel that Q over polls whites. What is certain is that in May of 2012 Q showed Mitt surging to a 6% lead over Obama in Florida--and we all know how that ended.

Bernie campaigns for Hillary or Biden. Obama hits Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Cleveland--and a Bernie Kids favorite--Elizabeth Warren--hits the airwaves.

Most of Bernie's voters vote Dem, or sts at home.

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 05:02 PM (mcm0N)

195 How many times is this thread gonna get Muldooned?

Posted by: The Cookie Man at May 13, 2016 05:02 PM (wFMm8)

196 ***"Why does it always have to end up who can kick each other in the crotch the hardest?"***

You think that's a hard crotch kicking?? Out of smelling salts?

Did you not read the original comment? Did the tone escape you?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 13, 2016 05:02 PM (Wckf4)

197 156 Do you guy's go over to votermom's Trump only safe place--to co-ordinate your complaints about the sidebar?

The side bar is very unfair....just like Colorado.

Posted by: John Miller at May 13, 2016 05:02 PM (/lmqg)

198 How many times is this thread gonna get Muldooned?
Posted by: The Cookie Man at May 13, 2016 05:02 PM (wFMm

_______________________________________

Hang on, it's a verb now?

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:04 PM (aQQbl)

199 Well, this was in the sidebar:
George Clooney and Julia Roberts make a movie TOGETHER! And it's ANOTHER movie that sucks!
Yes, let's combine box office poison with box office poison and see what happens...

Posted by: tu3031 at May 13, 2016 05:05 PM (YFFpo)

200 If Sanders is against multiple deodorant brads, is he also against multiple models of cars?

Posted by: angela urkel at May 13, 2016 05:05 PM (hSjsk)

201 Marching Bands of Madness

Death Cab for Cutie

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 05:06 PM (mcm0N)

202 Right, he's not recommending a carbon tax, he's calling it a fee. Try reading past the headline sometime.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 13, 2016 04:48 PM (Wckf4)

I did read the article. I've reread it since The HILL posted at the bottom that their original article was incorrect and they have made corrections to it.

The article says that Cramer IN THE PAST has floated an idea of a fee to go to research on cleaner fossil fuels. But the anti Trump's twist that into 1. Cramer wants a carbon tax 2. Trumps on board with it.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 05:06 PM (2I2BK)

203 *plops exhausted ass down*

Afternoon, hordlings.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:06 PM (1ZOkK)

204 IIRC, Nader never noticed that Chevy fixed it's steering issue before he finished his book.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 13, 2016 05:06 PM (VdICR)

205 My brother had a 25th anniversary, he wrapped it up to 150 on the highway here. It was very uncomfortable at that speed, you could feel it lifting off the road. It would go faster than it could handle as a body.

Did you not read the original comment? Did the tone escape you?

But the tone wasn't directed at you so why be defensive? If someone yells "that billboard sucks" why yell "only a fag would say that!!!" at them?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:07 PM (39g3+)

206 So--it is the treasury bill article? And it's only that article?

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:54 PM (mcm0N)

And the headline screaming that Trump's advisor is recommending a carbon tax. Click on the link and the headline from The HILL says, Trumps advisor says no Carbon Tax.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 05:08 PM (2I2BK)

207 169 Do you guy's go over to votermom's Trump only safe place--to co-ordinate your complaints about the sidebar?
Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit and testing the waters at May 13, 2016 04:47 PM (mcm0N)

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Do you mean crayfisher? It's my home blog because I hang out and help admin but I don't own it.
We've ragged on ace in the past in comments but we tend to praise him much more, but I don't recall anyone ever talking about the sidebar here.

If you mean my blog it doesnt really discuss politics unless its book or censorship related.

Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 13, 2016 05:08 PM (idmwx)

208 >>If someone yells "that billboard sucks" why yell "only a fag would say that!!!" at them?

Only a fag would ask that question.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:08 PM (/tuJf)

209 Try riding shotgun in a Miata with its top down on an Interstate. I thought I was a passenger on a go cart that accidentally took a wrong turn.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:09 PM (8cSVB)

210 199 Well, this was in the sidebar:
George Clooney and Julia Roberts make a movie TOGETHER! And it's ANOTHER movie that sucks!
Yes, let's combine box office poison with box office poison and see what happens...

Posted by: tu3031 at May 13, 2016 05:05 PM (YFFpo)

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What do they care? They each were paid many millions to be in it. Shitty or not, they still get paid and paid again.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 05:09 PM (iQIUe)

211 209
Try riding shotgun in a Miata with its top down on an Interstate. I
thought I was a passenger on a go cart that accidentally took a wrong
turn.

I had a girlfriend who was killed in her Miata.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:10 PM (1ZOkK)

212 The overwhelming majority of Berniebots will hold their noses and vote for Hillary in the general. Or, if not FOR her, against Trump.
I think quite a few (maybe 25%?) of the young, male Berniebots will just stay home. I dunno. Maybe.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 05:10 PM (T/5A0)

213 My latest news update is that Pfizer is blocking the use of their drug for executions.

Hornaday, Winchester, Remington, and CCI were not asked to comment

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 13, 2016 05:10 PM (kKHcp)

214 Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 13, 2016 05:08 PM (idmwx)

I'm sure that was a sarcastic quip not meant to be taken literally.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:10 PM (8cSVB)

215 ***"The article says that Cramer IN THE PAST has floated an idea of a fee to go to research on cleaner fossil fuels. But the anti Trump's twist that into 1. Cramer wants a carbon tax 2. Trumps on board with it."***

I hate to be the one to inform you that a "fee" is just a euphemism for a 'tax'. Unless, of course, you're John Roberts, then it's like totes different.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 13, 2016 05:11 PM (Wckf4)

216 >>Try riding shotgun in a Miata with its top down on an Interstate. I thought I was a passenger on a go cart that accidentally took a wrong turn.

Just picked up my TR6 from winter storage today. I've done a lot of modifications to the engine, suspension, transmission, etc.. It's fast.

80 in a TR6 on a busy Rte 95 is exhilarating.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:12 PM (/tuJf)

217 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:10 PM (1ZOkK)

Not much survivabilty if you collide with something bigger than you. Which means pretty much every other vehicle on the road. Sorry about your friend.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:13 PM (8cSVB)

218 191 The sidebar needs an infusion of genderfluid cats. That would fix it.
Posted by: Catlyn, genderfluid kitteh at May 13, 2016 05:00 PM (hSjsk)
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Yes. I miss the gender-confused, er, I mean, "questioning" kittehs.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 05:13 PM (T/5A0)

219
Only a fag would ask that question.

well, point taken

Try riding shotgun in a Miata with its top down on an Interstate.

Cute little car but clearly not for men.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:14 PM (39g3+)

220 @211 Jane, that's awful. I'm so sorry.

Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 13, 2016 05:14 PM (idmwx)

221 203 *plops exhausted ass down*

Afternoon, hordlings.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
--------------------
*aims wine bottle at the USB port*

(Or, would you prefer some of this fine, bottom shelf borbon?)

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (dJIuC)

222 @214 thanks Joe
I can't really tell lately

Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (idmwx)

223 164 Scariest ride I ever had was a Cosworth Vega. Two months later I sold it. Nothing like that should have ever been sold to the public.
Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 04:50 PM (aQQbl)

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Scariest ride I ever had was in a Nash Hudson doing 75.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (Fmupd)

224 12 Dear Ralph:
You, you boob, give the 'corporatist' exactly what they want: A huge, powerful government with money and favors to dispeunse. You're the one who built that Honey Pot, you're the one that constantly demand it grow and swallow up increasing resources and funds, that it have the power to do anything and everything. All the incompetence and corruption and cronyism is all yours, asshole, OWN IT.
Posted by: Obligatory
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^^ This ^^

Now we need conservative candidates who don't get too righteous about proclaiming how severely conservative they are.

Wouldn't it be nice to have conservatism repackaged as "pragmatism"?

Obamacare? "Nope, it just doesn't work in the real world--that top-down approach is so outdated. I'm more focused on looking solutions that work."

Overreach by regulators? "We need to repeal as many regulations as we can to back where they were during the Bill Clinton administration. Then we can take a look at what works and what doesn't."

Rinse, pragmatically repeat.

Posted by: Furious George at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (Kl1Y6)

225 Pulled from an article today. I think the link on the right was way off the mark, and they often are when Trump is involved.

"Re: U.S. Republican Congressman Kevin Cramer of North Dakota

"Republican presidential contender Donald Trump has asked one of America's most ardent drilling advocates and climate change skeptics to help him draft his energy policy.

"... Cramer's inclusion suggests the presumptive Republican presidential nominee's oil policy could emphasize more drilling, less regulation and taxes, and curbs on efforts to combat climate change.

"Cramer has said he believes the Earth is cooling, not warming, and he has opposed efforts by the Obama administration to regulate greenhouse gas emissions."

Trump himself has repeatedly denounced AGW as a hoax.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (r1fLd)

226 GM never really fixed it. There were several years of Corvairs out there before GM even fessed up it was a problem. If I remember the first "fix" was don't blow up the front tires as much as the back or something. Geez. OK.

The first one I owned, my brother warned me strait away, don't lift the throttle in the corners. Well, you can't very well put that advice in the owners manual. Wrong design for the buyer they wanted to sell cars too, that's all. If they would've added 50 more HP, a 4 speed, and some wider tires and it would have been a decent cone killer.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (aQQbl)

227 Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:12 PM (/tuJf)

No doubt. Exhilarating when driving. Scared shitless when you're a passenger. I don't ride on the back of motorcycles either. Well that's not the main reason. The main reason is that I'm a man.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (8cSVB)

228 Not much survivabilty if you collide with something
bigger than you. Which means pretty much every other vehicle on the
road. Sorry about your friend.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:13 PM (8cSVB)

Yeah. I got a letter from VW last week informing me that my Gaia-killing diesel has a Takada airbag that can kill or maim me. And they're so sorry, but parts to repair it won't be available "for some time."

I want to bastards to buy it back from me. For the full price I paid for it. It's still in showroom mint condition.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:16 PM (1ZOkK)

229 Scariest ride I ever had was in a Nash Hudson doing 75.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM
......You should go for a ride in my 76 CJ at around 65 mph. Yea, it'll keep you busy.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 05:16 PM (m6oW5)

230 The blindgossip item I posted predicted Clooney would attack Trump so his film would be boycotted and then he could blame it doing poorly on his supporters.

Now this was written before Clooney lashed out at Trump and the site is definitely lefty. So, that did give the story credibility.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 05:18 PM (iQIUe)

231 Well that's not the main reason. The main reason is that I'm a man.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (8cSVB)

I actually just spit coffee everywhere..

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:19 PM (aQQbl)

232 No doubt. Exhilarating when driving. Scared shitless when you're a passenger. I don't ride on the back of motorcycles either. Well that's not the main reason. The main reason is that I'm a man.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (8cSVB)

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I've only rode bitch once on a bike. And that was in Thailand when we couldn't find a taxi.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 05:19 PM (Fmupd)

233 *aims wine bottle at the USB port*

(Or, would you prefer some of this fine, bottom shelf borbon?)

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (dJIuC)

Can you hook me up to an IV? I've been at church all day, hosting (chairing) a funeral reception that tore my heart out. Young 30-something man, son of dear friends, a kid with everything in the world going for him, gorgeous young wife, tons of friends, great job, etc. etc. killed himself the day before Mother's Day. Standing room only in the sanctuary, and we fed probably 300+ people in the church hall.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:20 PM (1ZOkK)

234 I took a BMW 535i up to 145ish. That shit was exhilarating.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

235 There's nothing wrong with a Miata that a twin-rotor wankle wouldn't fix.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 05:21 PM (evdj2)

236 Bless you Jane.. Some tasks can only be done by special people. What you did today is one of them.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:21 PM (aQQbl)

237 I got my '81 Chevette up to 85 once. Once.

Posted by: rickl at May 13, 2016 05:21 PM (zoehZ)

238 >>No doubt. Exhilarating when driving. Scared shitless when you're a passenger

Yea, the guy that does a lot of the work for me races Spitfires and TR6s. He drives like a bat out of hell and it can be a tad scary.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:21 PM (/tuJf)

239
Son of a birch !

*****

Dude married a tree? I hope her bark was worse than her bite.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 04:55 PM (NeFrd)

What kind of ring did he give her?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2016 05:22 PM (eDaPX)

240 236
Bless you Jane.. Some tasks can only be done by special people. What you did today is one of them.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:21 PM (aQQbl)

Thank you. It's one thing when an elderly, beloved member dies. It's another when a gorgeous young man with everything going for him, does what he did. His sweet parents are in shock, and his dear mother looked as if she was sedated. Hell, in her shoes I'd be sedated, lying in a corner in the dark.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:23 PM (1ZOkK)

241 took a BMW 535i up to 145ish. That shit was exhilarating.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

What , your Rolls was in the shop?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:23 PM (8cSVB)

242 Trump in 2012: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

He's had to walk that back a little so as not to be more anti-PC than he needs to be, but you get the idea.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 05:24 PM (r1fLd)

243 Took my neighbor for a ride in his new Z3 once to show him what it "could" do if he wanted. It was fun, very neutral, and almost sterile.
I thought anybody could point and shoot that thing. When we got home, he was all excited, secretly I wanted my Fiat back...

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:24 PM (aQQbl)

244 The Five showed a clip of Charlie Rose yukking it up with Jon Favreau and an Obama speechwriter over the "if you like your doctor/insurance co. you can keep it" lie.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:25 PM (1ZOkK)

245 Old Man Rant On:

Remember when you used to have to go to the television to change channels and turn it on and off? Adjust the antenna? Fix the color etc?

Then remotes came out, so you could sit back and do most of that. Lazy, but convenient.

The TVs got better and computerized so they were automatically adjusting, then they got HD and gigantic so they had this amazing image. Less work, better results.

Now its hot to have a remote you talk to? How freaking lazy can you get that pushing buttons on a remote control is too much to bear? And after dealing with voice controls on phones and cars, who thinks this is going to work out at all?

Find Movies with hut wrecks!

[finding movies with butt sex]

No dammit hut wrecks! never mind cancel. find with day ten!

[finding shows with gay men...]

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:26 PM (39g3+)

246 Hell, in her shoes I'd be sedated, lying in a corner in the dark.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:23 PM
___________________________________

I'm sure. so would I.
Remember you did a good thing for a great many people today, so relax and enjoy you're evening. You've earned it.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:27 PM (aQQbl)

247
[finding movies with butt sex]
[finding shows with gay men...]

New TV default settings.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 05:28 PM (k4M/B)

248 Now its hot to have a remote you talk to? How freaking lazy can you get that pushing buttons on a remote control is too much to bear? And after dealing with voice controls on phones and cars, who thinks this is going to work out at all?

Find Movies with hut wrecks!

[finding movies with butt sex]

No dammit hut wrecks! never mind cancel. find with day ten!

[finding shows with gay men...]

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

I heard all of that, you naughty man!

Posted by: Alexa at May 13, 2016 05:28 PM (9krrF)

249 For those who didn't see it before

A small 2009 car demolishes a 1959 Chevy in a crash test
http://bit.ly/1TfpaGe

We are so much safer now.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 13, 2016 05:29 PM (evdj2)

250 Airbags? Seatbelts? We didn't need either. We had something better. MSRS. The Mom Safety Restraint System. If danger was approaching my mom would simply put her arm out to stop us from hitting our heads on the dash or going through the windshield! Waaay better than any of those other new fangled things.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 05:29 PM (m6oW5)

251 Jane, I can't imagine the survivor guilt the family must be feeling. Suicide is very selfish imo . Prayers for his soul, his family, and for your strength.

Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 13, 2016 05:29 PM (idmwx)

252 Can you hook me up to an IV? I've been at church all day, hosting (chairing) a funeral reception that tore my heart out. Young 30-something man...
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God Bless You, Jane.

Words fail me. Sounds like such a waste...
I understand (as much as possible) depression, even desperation, but I will never understand suicide.

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 05:30 PM (dJIuC)

253 Run Ralph Run!

Posted by: Jean at May 13, 2016 05:31 PM (cXiMR)

254 Can you hook me up to an IV? I've been at church all day, hosting (chairing) a funeral reception that tore my heart out. Young 30-something man, son of dear friends, a kid with everything in the world going for him, gorgeous young wife, tons of friends, great job, etc. etc. killed himself the day before Mother's Day. Standing room only in the sanctuary, and we fed probably 300+ people in the church hall.

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I never go to suicide funerals. There's nothing to say.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 05:31 PM (Fmupd)

255 That vid makes me sad... that was a real clean 59 they tore up.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:31 PM (aQQbl)

256 241 took a BMW 535i up to 145ish. That shit was exhilarating.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

What , your Rolls was in the shop?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:23 PM (8cSVB)

Said 535 is a '99, which I bought in 2007.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:32 PM (0LHZx)

257 Thanks, votermom. I'm fine, just absolutely physically exhausted. I have a team that I count on to help with these things, and we really go all out. People are stunned at the amount of food we provide, and how pretty everything is.

The mom has been on my team for years, so I made sure everything was extra perfect for her. And before she left, she wearily hugged and thanked me, with a glazed expression on her face. I went in the kitchen and cried.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:33 PM (1ZOkK)

258 I've told my Mini Cooper story that the driver had it up to 60 with 4 guys (me included) and a wheel fell off doing it. Only the guy driving was scared, the rest of us thought it was a riot.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 05:33 PM (3wHFl)

259 The first one I owned, my brother warned me strait away, don't lift the throttle in the corners. Well, you can't very well put that advice in the owners manual. Wrong design for the buyer they wanted to sell cars too, that's all. If they would've added 50 more HP, a 4 speed, and some wider tires and it would have been a decent cone killer.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:15 PM (aQQbl)

When I was a teen I worked at a car dealer and had to drive a Corvair from one lot to another. It was a manual, I was on an off ramp and pushed in the clutch to downshift and that thing went sideways on me - when I put it back in gear it snapped back into the line.

Scared the crap out of me.

Posted by: blaster at May 13, 2016 05:33 PM (2Ocf1)

260 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:26 PM (39g3+

First TV remote I ever saw was at someone elses house and it was essentially a tuning fork to change the channels. In fact you could knock some pans together and that would do the same thing. They also lived near D-M AFB near Tucson and the planes would change the channels.

Was not impressed.

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 05:34 PM (DrCtv)

261 @249 It's a compelling video.

You can rag on Nader all you want but he helped push for safety features that have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Statistically it's highly likely that some of those saved are people that you know, or the parents or grandparents of people you know who would otherwise not be here.

And at the margin, he stopped Al Gore from getting elected in 2000.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 05:34 PM (r1fLd)

262 Isn't Ralph Nader basically Bill Nye? Has anyone ever seen them in the same room at the same time?? Just sayin'.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 13, 2016 05:35 PM (aRUb8)

263 Took a 2000 Sentra up to 115.
The officer I ended up flying by was not amused.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 05:35 PM (0x/TW)

264 And at the margin, he stopped Al Gore from getting elected in 2000.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 05:34 PM (r1fLd)
__________________________________________________

For a 59 BelAir? It hardly seems a fair trade.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:35 PM (aQQbl)

265 /sarc

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:36 PM (aQQbl)

266 243 Took my neighbor for a ride in his new Z3 once to show him what it "could" do if he wanted. It was fun, very neutral, and almost sterile.
I thought anybody could point and shoot that thing. When we got home, he was all excited, secretly I wanted my Fiat back...
Posted by: IP
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My boss/mentor/friend was in town one day with his new M3. Was recuperating from another "I fell off the bike again" wreck, so he asked me to drive.
He said "open her up" a couple times.
"Let me take you to Old Airport Road first" - heh. Just, WOW.
I wouldn't mind getting groceries in one of those every day.

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 05:37 PM (dJIuC)

267 I get why race car drivers get caught speeding often, once driving over 100 for minutes I purposely slowed down to 60 mph and it was like I wasn't moving.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 05:37 PM (3wHFl)

268 Ralph Nader conceivably may help prevent my death if I get in a severe accident but right now he contributed to me forking out 200 bucks for seat belt violations. (Shakes fist at the Man)

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:38 PM (8cSVB)

269 First TV remote I ever saw was at someone elses house and it was essentially a tuning fork to change the channels.

I had one of those, actually. I also had an old phone from the 1960s, with the real bell ringer. I'd come home and the TV was on, and couldn't figure out how, until one day the phone rang and the TV turned on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:40 PM (39g3+)

270 I once drove a Formula 1 car down the Hollywood Freeway at 520 miles per hour. Santa Monica to downtown in, I think it was four minutes. Scared the living crap out of Danica Patrick, who was riding shotgun with me at the time.

Posted by: Brian Williams at May 13, 2016 05:40 PM (8ZskC)

271 268 Ralph Nader conceivably may help prevent my death if I get in a severe accident but right now he contributed to me forking out 200 bucks for seat belt violations. (Shakes fist at the Man)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:38 PM (8cSVB)

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Not judging....but why would you NOT wear a seatbelt? Where's the upside? Personally if I don't buckle up I feel weird. I have a pretty long driveway and sometimes I'll stop at and get the mail then drive down to the house without putting the belt back on. And even for that 15 seconds without the seatbelt on I feel naked.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (0LHZx)

272 Please votes for Seniter Sanders for Presdent. he will do for this county for what he has done for the state of Vemont. He will also arrest Bush for his crimes against persons of colora.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (NuElX)

273 Nader is a leftist and a fool. The problem is some of the biggest corporations are now run by the same people.

Example 1: Mark Zuckerberg
Example 2:Jeff Bezos

Both of them use government as a means to crush competition by supporting complicated taxes and regulations. They have armies of lawyers, ex-regulators, paid off politicians, lobbyists, and accountants to get them though the new red tape. However, every start-up and small business (the future competitor of Amazon and Facebook) do not and therefore cannot survive without doing basically the same thing.

That is not capitalism, that is not conservative. Yet reading certain "conservatives" gives you the impression that Amazon and Facebook are the ideals of American capitalism. One time they were, but they turned to the dark side, and therefore I will not lose a bit of sleep if President Trump starts nailing them with anti-trust lawsuits, etc.

These folks worked with big government to gain a un-capitalistic advantage within the USA, so let them reap the rewards of big government. It is the only way people learn...

Posted by: William Eaton at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (KhJh8)

274 Dear Ralph:
You, you boob, give the 'corporatist' exactly what they want: A huge, powerful government with money and favors to dispeunse.

Yes. Regulatory capture. As Admiral Akbar said, it's a trap. Who will regulate the regulators?

Posted by: angela urkel at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (hSjsk)

275 Fun: Being in a Crown Vic in a po po chase doing 130.
Spooky: Being passed by a Tx DPS Trooper doing 150.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (Yu4ah)

276
189 @46: "well, a Corvair killed me. Fuck them."

Yeah? Well a Corsair killed me, so....

Posted by: A Japanese Zero pilot at May 13, 2016 04:57 PM (rznWS)

And Mitsubishis attacked me!

Posted by: USS Arizona at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (qf6WZ)

277 Not judging....but why would you NOT wear a seatbelt? Where's the upside?

Some people feel trapped and claustraphobic but... yeah

I always wore one but they had this safety fair at the high school with a sled they cranked up on a ramp about 5 feet. It would simulate a crash at 30 mph, head on. They put the seat belt on you and by God that scared the crap out of me. It felt like you'd have been strawberry jam on the inside of the car, just from that much impact.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

278 262 Isn't Ralph Nader basically Bill Nye? Has anyone ever seen them in the same room at the same time?? Just sayin'.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 13, 2016 05:35 PM (aRUb

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Nah. Nader is loony-tunes-left but I don't recall him ever calling for the incarceration of people who disagree with him.
And he is/was a reasonably handsome man.
Bill Nye looks like a ....weasel. An anorexic weasel.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (T/5A0)

279 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:40 PM (39g3+)

And since we're being old, remember the PSA's on TV about how to install seat belts in your car if it didn't have any?

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (DrCtv)

280 275 Fun: Being in a Crown Vic in a po po chase doing 130.
Spooky: Being passed by a Tx DPS Trooper doing 150.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (Yu4ah)

Nah.....

Posted by: The Bandit at May 13, 2016 05:43 PM (qf6WZ)

281 My husband's older brother loves motorcycles. Used to race them.

He doesn't have kids and tried to get our son interested in them. I pulled him aside one day and told him to STFU or I'd kill him.

I can't count the number of motorcycle deaths in this town from young guys returning from Afghanistan and Iraq, and getting themselves killed shortly after returning home.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:43 PM (1ZOkK)

282 Bill Nye looks like a ....weasel. An anorexic weasel.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (T/5A0)

GFY

Posted by: An Anorexic Weasel With A Shred of Dignity Left at May 13, 2016 05:44 PM (8ZskC)

283 I always wore one but they had this safety fair at the high school with a sled they cranked up on a ramp about 5 feet. It would simulate a crash at 30 mph, head on. They put the seat belt on you and by God that scared the crap out of me. It felt like you'd have been strawberry jam on the inside of the car, just from that much impact.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (39g3+)

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I saw one of those deals too, showing what happens when someone is in the back seat, sans belt. Never rode in the back seat unbuckled again after that.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:44 PM (0LHZx)

284 271 268 Ralph Nader conceivably may help prevent my death if I get in a severe accident but right now he contributed to me forking out 200 bucks for seat belt violations. (Shakes fist at the Man)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 05:38 PM (8cSVB)

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Not judging....but why would you NOT wear a seatbelt? Where's the upside? Personally if I don't buckle up I feel weird. I have a pretty long driveway and sometimes I'll stop at and get the mail then drive down to the house without putting the belt back on. And even for that 15 seconds without the seatbelt on I feel naked.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:41 PM (0LHZx)

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Comfort. Especially with the shoulder harness. I'm not a fan of having something digging into my neck while I drive.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 13, 2016 05:44 PM (R+30W)

285
I saw one of those deals too, showing what
happens when someone is in the back seat, sans belt. Never rode in the
back seat unbuckled again after that.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 13, 2016 05:44 PM (0LHZx)
Word.

Posted by: Princess Diana at May 13, 2016 05:45 PM (1ZOkK)

286 Seatbelts? Yea, now, after racing for a good many years. Always.
But as kids we fought to sit on the armrest in the back of mom's old Imperial. Basically we really just raised our angle of attack so that should we be carelessly launched out the windshield we had little to stop us.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:46 PM (aQQbl)

287 >>>Scared the living crap out of Danica Patrick, who was riding shotgun with me at the time.
Posted by: Brian Williams<<<

Bitch, please. If you didn't have Danica riding reverse cowboy, you're just a poser.

Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2016 05:47 PM (f40FU)

288 Comfort. Especially with the shoulder harness. I'm not a fan of having something digging into my neck while I drive.

Neither am I, but it's a fair sight better than having someone digging into the ground to bury me.

Posted by: Alexa at May 13, 2016 05:47 PM (9krrF)

289 I wanted to buy a 67 mustang fastback when I was in highschool, dad said fuck no. His actual words, he tried to get me to buy a 65 VW, fuck no, my actual words. So he gave me his 69 Dodge polara, with a 440 magnum 4 barrel. That car was basically a state trooper pursuit vehicle, and went very fast, thanks Dad.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 05:47 PM (6Ll1u)

290 Sock-be-gone.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 05:47 PM (9krrF)

291 263
Took a 2000 Sentra up to 115.

The officer I ended up flying by was not amused.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 05:35 PM (0x/TW)

I took a manure spreader up to 45...jack knifed on the Santa Monica.

Posted by: Fletch at May 13, 2016 05:48 PM (aRUb8)

292 Riding shotgun in a TR3 top down when the hood flew off just over my head.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at May 13, 2016 05:48 PM (ucB75)

293 Going over 65 in my 76 Jeep CJ is let's just say, an adventure. I got it to over 70 once and the thing would float all over the place. I usually only use it off road but on the highway it's very interesting to say the least.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 05:48 PM (m6oW5)

294 Riding shotgun in a TR3 top down when the hood flew off just over my head.

My daughter had the same car and the same thing happened....

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 05:49 PM (O2RFr)

295 Jeep CJ's on the highway, that could be a horror movie all it's own. LOL!

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:49 PM (aQQbl)

296 Anyone here ever own a Ford Pinto?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:50 PM (1ZOkK)

297 288 Comfort. Especially with the shoulder harness. I'm not a fan of having something digging into my neck while I drive.

Neither am I, but it's a fair sight better than having someone digging into the ground to bury me.

Posted by: Alexa at May 13, 2016 05:47 PM (9krrF)

++++

A choice that should belong to everyone in a free society.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 13, 2016 05:50 PM (R+30W)

298 Pinto Wagon..73 I think.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:50 PM (aQQbl)

299 I'd wear the shoulder harness but it always gets lost in my cleavage. SO embarrassing.

Besides, the shoulder harness restrains me from grabbing the driver's tit when I feel the urge. Which is usually.

Posted by: Heidi McKinney at May 13, 2016 05:51 PM (8ZskC)

300 Anyone here ever own a Ford Pinto?

No. Aunt owned a Maverick

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 05:51 PM (Yu4ah)

301 I can't count the number of motorcycle deaths in this town from young guys returning from Afghanistan and Iraq, and getting themselves killed shortly after returning home.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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Randy was a World Class, Champion, Grand Prix racer. Probably had more broken bones than Evel Knievel. He lost his thumb in one accident, and had them surgically remove his big toe to replace has thumb with - it was more important to ride again than it was to walk right.

But, living in the largest Navy town in the world, I know kids & motorcycles. Too well. I'll never own a bike.

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 05:51 PM (dJIuC)

302 My husband had a client who went off-roading without a seat belt. His truck flipped, and he was thrown from the vehicle and crushed by it. Not a quick death.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:52 PM (1ZOkK)

303 It's a TARP!

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at May 13, 2016 05:52 PM (hSjsk)

304 Ya'll have a good night and a safe weekend. See ya Monday for the Dump.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:52 PM (aQQbl)

305 Ralph Nader and Bill Nye, twins separated at birth

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 05:52 PM (3wHFl)

306 Try riding in a Porsche 996 at 135 MPH.... We used to have one and My Husband was driving the back roads of Santa Barbara.... Did I mention it was a convertible with the top down...

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 05:52 PM (O2RFr)

307 Our 1992 Subaru Legacy has those stupid "automatic" seatbelts the nanny-staters insisted cars have for a while, the ones where the shoulder harness goes on you when you close the door. Remember those?
Of course, you still had to put on the waist belt and, since people didn't, they were being decapitated or strangled by the harness.

Gah. The Holy Ones got to FORCE people to wear the belt. It's what they do. And their methods just as often make things worse.

(That being said, I always wear a seatbelt, Sheer habit --- to the extent that I feel nekkid without one.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 05:53 PM (T/5A0)

308 Jeep CJ's on the highway, that could be a horror movie all it's own. LOL!

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 05:49 PM
..Yea I'm sure the new Jeeps are much better but the vintage one like mine is a handful over 65, especially on a windy day, involuntary lane changes! Oh and My Dad had a 73 Pinto wagon as well! It actually was a decent car if memory serves me correctly.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 05:54 PM (m6oW5)

309 My husband scared the crap out of me on the autobahn years ago, and later the autostrada in Italy.

Me: How fast are we going???!!???

Husband: Not fast enough.

We had reserved a crappy little car in Rome, and they didn't have it available, and asked if we'd *mind* an upgrade, for no extra charge, to a BMW.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2016 05:55 PM (1ZOkK)

310 The car that I was most nervous in driving was that old VW van that was flat on the front. Nothing between you and death but a tinfoil sheet of steel. It was like being strapped on the front of the car Mad Max Thunder Road style.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2016 05:55 PM (39g3+)

311 CNN is going to keep humping this Trump fake spokesman story from 25 years ago until somebody gives a shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:56 PM (/tuJf)

312 I actually saw a Chevette the other day, I hadn't seen one in years. My buddy had one, what a POS.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 05:56 PM (m6oW5)

313 311 CNN is going to keep humping this Trump fake spokesman story from 25 years ago until somebody gives a shit.

We ain't seen nothing yet... It's gonna get ugly, real ugly...

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 05:56 PM (O2RFr)

314 Smoothest car ever owned?
1972 Mercury Grand Marquis - 429 Ford.
Power everything. 8 Track in dash.
Comfortably sat 12.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 05:57 PM (Yu4ah)

315 When is the last time you saw a Chevy Citation?

My buddy had a Chevy Monza with a V8. That thing could move!

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 13, 2016 05:58 PM (m6oW5)

316 Nood, we're all moving to Texas

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 05:58 PM (3wHFl)

317 Lindbergh didn't stop to ask for directions, but Amelia Erhardt did.

Posted by: Obligatory at May 13, 2016 05:58 PM (Pby3z)

318 >>The car that I was most nervous in driving was that old VW van that was flat on the front.

Buddy of mine inherited his mom's old VW fan when I was in high school. We took that thing everywhere, skiing, the Cape, to Canada, etc. Still surprises me I lived through high school.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

319 CNN is going to keep humping this Trump fake spokesman story from 25 years ago until somebody gives a shit.

We're following a report that he groped a woman in an elevator 25 years ago. Five-part series to follow.

Posted by: The LA Times at May 13, 2016 05:58 PM (8ZskC)

320 What gets me in ads for 4WD vehicles is them showing said vehicles just hauling ass thru the desert or smashing thru snow or streams.

Really? No one I ever knew ever came close to doing that when off-roading. But maybe that was just me and the people I knew.

Posted by: HH at May 13, 2016 05:58 PM (DrCtv)

321 You know what scares Me is those little eco-friendly wind up cars..... They are so small You wouldn't stand a chance in a 10 MPH accident...Damned things look like roller skates...

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 05:59 PM (O2RFr)

322 Funny how seatbelt use isn't mandatory on buses, not even school buses.

Posted by: davidt at May 13, 2016 05:59 PM (8aOqE)

323 When is the last time George Clooney made a movie that didn't suck balls? Every character he's ever played could be nicknamed "Slick."

Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2016 05:59 PM (f40FU)

324 Anyone here ever own a Ford Pinto?

No. Aunt owned a Maverick

Posted by: rickb223 at

My parents gave their '73 Pinto (canary yellow) complete with an exploding gas tank.

Later on I had a green Maverick with 3-on-the-tree.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 06:00 PM (oiNtH)

325 Guy up the street has a cool gloss black 67 GTO, fully blown. He belongs to a car club, and there are vintage cars coming by every weekend, it's a gas, man.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 13, 2016 06:00 PM (6Ll1u)

326 Nye looks like a ....weasel. An anorexic weasel.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 05:42 PM (T/5A0)

I think he's a dream boat. My dapper little ivory princess, wrapped like a gift with his adorable little bow tie.

Posted by: Neil DeGasse Tyson at May 13, 2016 06:02 PM (hSjsk)

327 Anyone here ever own a Ford Pinto?

My Dad and my wife before we were dating.

Dad's was freaking orange with iirc a 3 speed automatic. When I stomped on it it made a lot of noise but nothing much else happened.

Wifey's was a stick, not terrible

Posted by: random lurker at May 13, 2016 06:02 PM (WF5ei)

328 Took a 2000 Sentra up to 115.

The officer I ended up flying by was not amused.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 05:35 PM (0x/TW)

I took a manure spreader up to 45...jack knifed on the Santa Monica.---------Fletch

You mock the memory of the two hamsters that died running that engine so hard.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 06:04 PM (+aCe4)

329 I've got an idea for a reality show for those little eco-cars. "Ice Road Driving Range"

Tractor trailer drivers take turns jack knifing and swatting the cars with the trailer.

Driver who hits one the furthest wins.

Posted by: random lurker at May 13, 2016 06:06 PM (WF5ei)

330 311
CNN is going to keep humping this Trump fake spokesman story from 25 years ago until somebody gives a shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 05:56 PM (/tuJf)

You ain't seen nothing yet! I can't believe it worked!!! God!...people are gullible. Gruber was right!!

Posted by: The Democrat Party. at May 13, 2016 06:06 PM (aRUb8)

331 You mock the memory of the two hamsters that died running that engine so hard.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 06:04 PM (+aCe4)

Are hamsters related to Gerbils?? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Richard Gere at May 13, 2016 06:08 PM (aRUb8)

332 Ive thought about what it would be like being in a Smart Car and get rolled, it's never came out well in my mind.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2016 06:09 PM (3wHFl)

333 Anyone here ever own a Ford Pinto?

My Dad and my wife before we were dating.

If I married Kendall, I'd be her Dad and her wife.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 13, 2016 06:13 PM (hSjsk)

334 If I married Kendall, I'd be her Dad and her wife.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 13, 2016 06:13 PM (hSjsk)

If I married my daughter, I'd be happy. She's hot and I'm bored with this wife I have...whatever her name is.

Posted by: Donald Trump at May 13, 2016 06:17 PM (aRUb8)

335 Ralph 'corvair' Nader.
Hey, what'cha driving Ralphie?
my few comments are at my limit, happy weekend everyone, -- back to read only

Posted by: micky at May 13, 2016 06:24 PM (o5vMc)

336 Didn't they used to call VW vans "baby makers"?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 13, 2016 07:06 PM (8x/sp)

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