Federal Judge Rules That Obama's Unconstitutional Seizing of Monies Without Congressional Appropriation to Pay Off His Insurance Industry Stooges Is In Fact Unconstitutional

Enjoined from doing it further -- however, the judge said she'd stay that order (thus, permitting it) upon the filing of an appeal from either party.

The House Republicans had sued the Obama Administration. Obama was -- get this! -- illegally spending money that the House never appropriated to fund Obamacare, specifically, to pay the insurance industry subsidies envisioned in the plan... but not actually appropriated by Congress.

Congress declined to appropriate these monies.

Obama paid the insurers anyway -- utterly illegally.

His theory is that if he wants it hard enough, then all powers of the Constitution flow into him to "fight for the people" or some bullshit.

We'll see what happens on appeal. For now, it's good.

And it just might kill Obamacare.

Posted by: Ace at 02:31 PM




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1 yet nothing will happen

Posted by: nckate at May 12, 2016 02:32 PM (bi3cd)

2 That'll show'em!

Posted by: steevy at May 12, 2016 02:33 PM (B48dK)

3 You didn't build that.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 12, 2016 02:34 PM (QM5S2)

4 Court took away his pen, and stuck it up his ass.

Posted by: Roy at May 12, 2016 02:34 PM (VndSC)

5 It's a TAX!!!

Posted by: Chief John at May 12, 2016 02:34 PM (QM5S2)

6 All appeals courts are controlled by Dems. And with SCOTUS 4-4 the appeals court is the final decision.

This means fuck all long run.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 12, 2016 02:34 PM (0LHZx)

7 Are they going to take back the money from the insurers?

Posted by: Roy at May 12, 2016 02:35 PM (VndSC)

8 4
Court took away his pen, and stuck it up his ass.

*
*
Sideways, one hopes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 12, 2016 02:35 PM (uk/oG)

9 Breaking news : Obama's immigration agents making plans to deport women and children. Sources say.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:35 PM (lpQSt)

10 Can't they "deem" the appropriation bill passed?

Hey, remember Pelosi's giant gavel?

Posted by: Max Power at May 12, 2016 02:35 PM (q177U)

11 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:36 PM (kff5f)

12 Obama should fund Obamacre via Patreon

Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:36 PM (7lVbc)

13 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:36 PM (kff5f)

14 Judge: Mr President. You can't do that. But if you will appeal, I will let you do what you should not do until the appeal is heard or there is a new president which ever comes first.


Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:37 PM (lpQSt)

15 AllenG I finally started on your book!

Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:37 PM (7lVbc)

16 BREAKING NEWS!!!
I queefed.

Posted by: Shepard Smiff at May 12, 2016 02:37 PM (QM5S2)

17 Something about Lucy and the football....

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 02:37 PM (2Ocf1)

18 As I said last thread. Don't start counting those chikens yet.


U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer ruled the spending unconstitutional - while putting the decision on hold pending appeal.


This will be drug out using your tax money by the corrupt DOJ for a decade.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 02:37 PM (vvmPQ)

19 This will just make the JEF more pissy than usual. Emperor Clusterf*ck will not be denied.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (1ZOkK)

20 And it just might kill Obamacare.

Not so fast, Ace.

Posted by: John Roberts, Growing Ever Larger In Office at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (8ZskC)

21 Correct.

It is as self-evident as the bill of rights protecting free speech and guns not feelings and safe spaces...

which is why of course it is being stayed.

Have to give the GOP time to cave or lose in the fall so the law won't matter.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (g8Hfr)

22 12 Obama should fund Obamacre via Patreon
Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:36 PM (7lVbc)

The individual mandate is kind of like Patreon.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (KUaJL)

23 And it just might kill Obamacare.

Careful what you wish for...


And, no, it won't kill "Obamacare." It will kill private insurance companies in the United States- which was the purpose behind Obamacare.

Once that happens, the next (Leftist) move is to swoop in to "save the American people" and institute full-on socialized single payer medicine.

Which makes it more important than ever to go to the polls in November and vote for Conserv... ah... who am I kidding? We're f*cked.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (kff5f)

24 Hey, remember Pelosi's giant gavel?



Posted by: Max Power at May 12, 2016 02:35 PM (q177U)


Wrapped in barbed wire, sideways...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (1ZOkK)

25 20 Posted by: John Roberts, Growing Ever Larger In Office at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (8ZskC)


You could fast track it Judas...of course a tie would break the law's back SO you'll join Senora Sotomayer and friends.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (g8Hfr)

26 AllenG I finally started on your book!
Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:37 PM (7lVbc)


Yay!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (kff5f)

27 Breaking news : Bruce Jenner sad. It has been very hard, he said.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (lpQSt)

28 AW HELLZ NO!

Posted by: Justice Roberts at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (4ErVI)

29 Harrumph
Harrumph

Posted by: The Congress at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (QM5S2)

30 If the money flow stops, it would more likely cause insurance companies to bail on O'care. They know they can't sustain the losses just to make Ogabe look good.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (9iR5/)

31 I know, too early for off topic but noticed this on the yahoo home page: news item"

U.S. jobless claims unexpectedly rise

which is like writing "Ryan unexpectedly gives in to Obama's demands"

Posted by: Mallflower at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (qSIlh)

32 "And it just might kill Obamacare."

I have two divergent thoughts on this:

1. From your lips to God's ears.
2. Forget it Ace; it's Chinatown.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (hAFla)

33 He's aposed to ax for the money first.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (Bdeb0)

34 " yet nothing will happen"


Not one damn thing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (LA7Cm)

35 Pen and phone, bitchez! Pen pays out the dough; phone calls for the appeal, and thusly, the stay.

Embrace the suck, all you fools who toe the line.


Who was yesterday, said this? "What we need is a good troubleshooter."

I really like that.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (qVe3j)

36 30
If the money flow stops, it would more likely cause insurance companies
to bail on O'care. They know they can't sustain the losses just to make
Ogabe look good.


Posted by: Old Blue at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (9iR5/)

The largest insurance company, United Healthcare, has already bailed.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (vvmPQ)

37 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (kff5f)

Did you draw those runes on the cover?

Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (7lVbc)

38 13 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:36 PM (kff5f)

***********

I knew you would post this. Nihilism is evil. Nihilism paved the way for Lenin. You would not want to be on the Steppes when that went down.

You literally spam the threads with this message and it has its effect.

Repetition is the first device of propaganda. Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (mcm0N)

39 33 He's aposed to ax for the money first.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (Bdeb0)


Asking for money is racist.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (4ErVI)

40 30 Posted by: Old Blue at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (9iR5/)


A lot of interesting things will happen next term no matter who wins...

"must prop up the messiah" will not be as passionate a cause to the Fed and the Business class...

rates will go up on your credit card and through the floor on your savings....

gonna be a fun 4 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (g8Hfr)

41 The insurance companies would have to repay the money if it was given in error, or if they were otherwise not entitled to it. Same as if the IRS gave you a refund with extra zeroes on it. They knew the law and that it was not a legal payment.

Premiums are going to have to double along with the co-payments and deductibles. They are doubly-screwed. What customer is going to sit still for that?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 12, 2016 02:42 PM (kfcYC)

42 This is why we must have the racist rethugliKKKan house n senate approve our president of color's choice for our supreme court. After all, he won, didn't he? The constitution must be a living document, as interpreted by common sense democrat principles.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro Women's Health Clinic at May 12, 2016 02:42 PM (ucB75)

43 >>>And it just might kill Obamacare.

Not if I have anything to say about it.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at May 12, 2016 02:42 PM (R+30W)

44 27 Breaking news : Bruce Jenner sad. It has been very hard, he said.


I thought he that removed.

Posted by: Drill at May 12, 2016 02:42 PM (6xR/B)

45 I thought Appropriations Calvinball was written into the Constitution. Check there under the penumbra.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2016 02:42 PM (8ZskC)

46 so where did the money come from?

Did he not spend billions on things that congress appropriated money for?

Isn't that life theft?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 02:43 PM (R8ea6)

47 Did you draw those runes on the cover?
Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (7lVbc)


I did. I had a cover designer who did the colors and making sure it looked good, but the design was mine.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:43 PM (kff5f)

48 Big nothing burger for ONE reason...

He can still spend money.... he can still pay off the Insurance companies... and will until a New President is elected because the court stayed the order.

So a Court say an illegal activity, and said it could CONTINUE... telling Obama there is no consequence for his illegal activity.

Posted by: Don Q at May 12, 2016 02:43 PM (qf6WZ)

49 Someone mentioned Jenner, so not OT - so a MTF tranny who enjoys the company of women, right? You take a bunch of female hormones that is going to take a toll on your primary sex identifier, right? Which, I would suppose would ultimately reduce your pleasure?

You know what, I shouldn't ask zombie will probably show up and explain it and I probably don't want to know.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 02:44 PM (2Ocf1)

50 Sometimes you feel like a nut, Some times you don't~!

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at May 12, 2016 02:44 PM (OcD4G)

51 Breaking news : Bruce Jenner sad. It has been very hard, he said.


He permanently mutilated himself and the ratings still suck.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2016 02:44 PM (8ZskC)

52 48 Posted by: Don Q at May 12, 2016 02:43 PM (qf6WZ)


THANKS, I call it the Roberts Doctrine....

//CJ Judas Iscariot Roberts

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:44 PM (g8Hfr)

53 Bruce Jenner sad. It has been very hard, he said.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (lpQSt)


Well, I guess it had to have been, upon a time. He did father several kids.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2016 02:44 PM (k1zy9)

54 "And it just might kill Obamacare."


Add me to the skeptics on that one, ace.


And I think Old Blue, vs. Hat, has it right on the fallout, should this obviously correct decision somehow in the end get through/around Roberts' ludicrous "court".


Companies will just bail on the O-care policies. Though I am curious about the financials for the companies, given that they have forced to price personal policies out of reasonable range in most states as part of the O-care disaster.


Some big states saw increases as much as 300% - overnight - when the "law" went into effect. Can't imagine too many people just breezily accepted a sudden mortgage payment into their financial lives.


Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2016 02:44 PM (QDnY+)

55 46
so where did the money come from?



Did he not spend billions on things that congress appropriated money for?



Isn't that life theft?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 02:43 PM (R8ea6)

Well we know he has been diverting millions from money allocated to the CDC for one. I posted a link on that last year.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 02:45 PM (vvmPQ)

56 All that military funding that was appropriated and then sequestered had to be spent somewhere. It's not like the military needs the money or anything, and the insurance companies needed the money.

This isn't like breeding rocket sturgeons.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:45 PM (lpQSt)

57 So, the insurance companies have to give the money back?

Never mind.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 12, 2016 02:45 PM (3myMJ)

58 And this is why I can't endorse that fascist racist cousin-humping Trump.

Hillary will save my precious socialized medicine.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at May 12, 2016 02:45 PM (u0s1P)

59 The House argued that Congress never specifically appropriated that money and has denied the administration's request for it. It says the administration is spending the money anyway, exceeding its constitutional authority. The administration has said it is using other, previously approved money.


... of course, there is always a spare stash of $175 billion laying about.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 12, 2016 02:46 PM (e8kgV)

60 175 billion is a rounding error in a 4 trillion dollar budget.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (lpQSt)

61 Baby, please warm my wiener, oh, warm my wiener,
Won't you just warm my wiener, 'cause he really don't feel right cold

Posted by: Bo Carter at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (QM5S2)

62 The staying of the order pending appeal is pretty routine.

The following is completely sincere.

Good on the House GOP for pushing this suit. This is a line of attack that was promised and that promise was kept. Good on them.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (mf5HN)

63 Math, she sucks. Eh ShitMIdas?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (8ZskC)

64 >>This will be drug out using your tax money by the corrupt DOJ for a decade.

All depends on who is controlling the DOJ.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (/tuJf)

65 If the money flow stops, it would more likely cause insurance companies
to bail on O'care. They know they can't sustain the losses just to make
Ogabe look good.


Posted by: Old Blue at May 12, 2016 02:40 PM (9iR5/)

The largest insurance company, United Healthcare, has already bailed.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 02:41 PM (vvmPQ)


Note.... United Health Care was allowed to take over Retired Military and Dependent Health Insurance, even though they actually would cost more than the company who was already doing it... (Champus and Champus Prime)

That was the quid pro quo for them supporting Obamacare... initially....

Now however, they have the contract, and can back out of Obamacare...

Posted by: Don Q at May 12, 2016 02:48 PM (qf6WZ)

66 nihilism
noun
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
synonyms: skepticism, negativity, cynicism, pessimism

PHILOSOPHY
extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence.

HISTORICAL

the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party circa 1900 which found nothing to approve of in the established social order.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:48 PM (mcm0N)

67 The staying of the order pending appeal is pretty routine.

Doesn't make it right.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:48 PM (kff5f)

68 47 you did a good job, looks impressively runic

Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:48 PM (7lVbc)

69 Obama's lawyers are arguing that the House has no legal standing to sue. If Congress doesn't have standing here, who does?

This may be more egregious, but Obama has also made a practice of taking funds appropriated for one purpose and using it for another.

If the House winds, do the insurers have to pay the money back? Does it go on Obama's personal bar tab?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 02:48 PM (r1fLd)

70 62 The staying of the order pending appeal is pretty routine.

The following is completely sincere.

Good on the House GOP for pushing this suit. This is a line of attack that was promised and that promise was kept. Good on them.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (mf5HN)


So a Judge, deeming something is illegal, allows it to continue.... and that's ROUTINE?

Posted by: Don Q at May 12, 2016 02:49 PM (qf6WZ)

71 62 Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 12, 2016 02:47 PM (mf5HN)


Agreed.

You wanted Impeachment.

You'd settle for a lawsuit.

You got a win on what you'd settle for.

*If* we win DoJ should drop the appeal like the left loves to have IRS and EPA do against favored outcomes.

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:49 PM (g8Hfr)

72 End result--Lenin and mass starvation, a significant genocide.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:49 PM (mcm0N)

73 So a Judge, deeming something is illegal, allows it to continue.... and that's ROUTINE?


It's a well-known legal tenet that some things are Too Big To Enjoin.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2016 02:50 PM (8ZskC)

74 Barry's legacy is coming into focus...I can see, I can see...failure. And butthurt.

Posted by: Fritz at May 12, 2016 02:50 PM (UzPAd)

75 you did a good job, looks impressively runic
Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 02:48 PM (7lVbc)


Thank you!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:50 PM (kff5f)

76 Allen ... What if we mix it up ? You know, just to keep things fresh. How about we salt it down, burn the stones ... and then, to REALLY show 'em we're not fvcking around ... we can scatter the earth where it stood ?

You know ... before we salted it down.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 12, 2016 02:50 PM (+RTFM)

77 Obama does the perp walk. Film at eleven!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Posted by: tu3031 at May 12, 2016 02:51 PM (YFFpo)

78 Failure, butthurt, and mewling.

With the American taxpayer stuck with an even larger bar tab thanks to Gaylord going on a spending bender.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 12, 2016 02:51 PM (1PU+m)

79 70 Posted by: Don Q at May 12, 2016 02:49 PM (qf6WZ)


Yes, they know THIS admin will appeal so they MUST execute a stay and kick it to SCotUS for ruling.

SCotUS can:

1) refuse to take up the case wherein the decision stands and is then enforced

2) take up the case and Roberts up a specious reason why malappropriation of funds is "ok on THIS"

3) affirm the case establishing a new precedent

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:51 PM (g8Hfr)

80 End result--Lenin and mass starvation, a significant genocide.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:49 PM (mcm0N)

My end result: facepalm.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 12, 2016 02:52 PM (3myMJ)

81 >>He permanently mutilated himself and the ratings still suck.

The ratings could be improved through rebranding his reality show.

"Naked And Mutilated And Afraid."

Two wealthy mentally ill American men who have had their penises removed and now regret the decision are stranded in the Australian outback. Without clothing, lip gloss, or professional psychiatric help, they must survive by hunting, gathering, and bitchery, all while avoiding both the deadly things that live in Australia and the confused, mildly disgusted aborigines who seek to put them out of their misery via a well-slung atlatl.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 02:52 PM (Bdeb0)

82 Posted by: ScoggDog at May 12, 2016 02:50 PM (+RTFM)

Naaa. Tried that once. The ointment was too expensive.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at May 12, 2016 02:53 PM (kff5f)

83 76 Allen ... What if we mix it up ? You know, just to keep things fresh. How about we salt it down, burn the stones ... and then, to REALLY show 'em we're not fvcking around ... we can scatter the earth where it stood ?

You know ... before we salted it down.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 12, 2016 02:50 PM (+RTFM)

Sounds like a Waffle House hash brown order.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at May 12, 2016 02:53 PM (m5xM0)

84 alex, almost sorta.


The House's power lies not in lawsuits, but in ...... power.


They have meticulously avoiding using that power. Power of the purse. Targeted and punitive use thereof, for example, to compel executive compliance.


The latest "cover" story - which, astonishingly, seems to work even with somewhat sophisticated observers - is that the elaborate CR/omnibus + shut-down kabuki "prevents" them, politically, from acting as Congress has since forever.


You see, even taking a formerly normal position that accomplishes the political "differentiation" on which actual political campaigns are constructed - all in opposition to a very unpopular and disastrous program like O-care - is simply not an option.


Then again, you can understand their worry. The mini-filibuster in 2013, arguably, led directly to the GOP wipeout at the polls of the 2014 mid-terms.


As some sage observers here had predicted.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2016 02:53 PM (QDnY+)

85 Gee, if only the Constitution had a method to remove a misbehaving President from office...
Nah, it would never work.

Posted by: navybrat at May 12, 2016 02:53 PM (8QGte)

86
My massive throbbing purple-headed kill boner spits at this decision.

Posted by: Chief John Robyourfuture at May 12, 2016 02:54 PM (KId5h)

87 The law is for little people. Obama does what the hell he wants and his failures are blamed on others.

Posted by: Commissar M at May 12, 2016 02:54 PM (jVf2J)

88 27 Breaking news : Bruce Jenner sad. It has been very hard, he said.
Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:39 PM (lpQSt)



So ... he hasn't been lightened up after all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2016 02:54 PM (oKE6c)

89 Obama's lawyers are arguing that the House has no legal standing to sue.

What Obama is really saying here is the House of Representatives has no authority over him as President.


Remember when Nixon said, in the time of the line item veto, that he just wouldn't spend the money and congress passed a law saying he had to spend the money?

Obama is saying Congress has no authority over him, the constitution has no authority over him.

Who will stop him?


Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 02:54 PM (lpQSt)

90 If only the Constitution had some remedy for a president breaking the law...

Posted by: steevy at May 12, 2016 02:54 PM (B48dK)

91 Breaking news : Bruce Jenner sad. It has been very hard, he said.

So it hasn't been...cut off then?

Posted by: tu3031 at May 12, 2016 02:55 PM (YFFpo)

92 " Gee, if only the Constitution had a method to remove a misbehaving President from office... "


Yah, if only.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 02:55 PM (LA7Cm)

93 Or we can stone it down, scatter the salt, and burn the earth. I'm good either way.

I'm just tired of the grind, man. First the burning. Always the damn burning. And I'm hot now ... but gez, then it's straight to the scattering of stones. Why can't we just pile the fvcking things up ? We could use 'em later.

And then starts the damn salting. More salt. Always with the salt.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 12, 2016 02:55 PM (+RTFM)

94 Again NOT to go all Trump warz here...one of the reasons I shrug at Trump is the GOP will HAPPILY impeach his ass if he goes over the line to show "fairness" and the nation NEEDS a President impeached and removed to knock the executives off the ball.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (g8Hfr)

95 "U.S. jobless claims unexpectedly rise"

Has there been a single piece of negative economic news since January 20th, 2009, which has _not_ been headlined by the media as "unexpected"?

Posted by: torquewrench at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (noWW6)

96 I like Allen's post. It is a comforting constant in a mutable universe.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (dQJCS)

97 "
And it just might kill Obamacare."

======

Who the hell let this get this far!?!

Let's hide until it goes away!

Posted by: Congressional Republicans at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (7Kbxu)

98 80 End result--Lenin and mass starvation, a significant genocide.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:49 PM (mcm0N)

My end result: facepalm.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 12, 2016 02:52 PM (3myMJ)

*********

Eh--he has spammed that message for over a year now.
omg-- how dare anyone push back.

Plus now he is having a dialogue with someone that actively tries to direct Ace's readers to their blog.

So constantly depress the readership....then that.

We say we weren't to blame for people getting severely depressed around here...

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:57 PM (mcm0N)

99 Eff it, if I comment in this thread beyond this I'll get myself banned.

Later, Horde.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 02:57 PM (9krrF)

100 "Gee, if only the Constitution had a method to remove a misbehaving President from office...

Nah, it would never work."

=======

DON'T LOOK AT US!

Posted by: Congressional Republicans at May 12, 2016 02:57 PM (7Kbxu)

101 97 Posted by: Congressional Republicans at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (7Kbxu)


DON'T YOU DARE HAVE TRUMP CAMPAIGN ON REPLACING THIS SHIT BURGER WITH "A YUGE BETTER PLAN"...

of course Duh Donald likes single payer so there's that...AND Grammy H will promise not only FREE healthcare but paying YOU to go to the ER....

we live in an insane asylum.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:58 PM (g8Hfr)

102 In the administration's defense, the Constitution does not say, "For reals."

Posted by: Michael at May 12, 2016 02:58 PM (KClXw)

103 Gee, if only the Constitution had a method to remove a misbehaving President from office...

Nah, it would never work.
Posted by: navybrat at May 12, 2016 02:53 PM (8QGte)

As long as at least one-third of the Senate supports a President, there is no method for removing said President from office (aside from the incapacity section of the 25th Amendment, but that's handled by the executive branch).

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at May 12, 2016 02:58 PM (FohCt)

104 96 I like Allen's post. It is a comforting constant in a mutable universe.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (dQJCS)

**********

Oh it's constant all right.

Could fit the description of graffiti on Ace's property by now.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:59 PM (mcm0N)

105 104 Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 02:59 PM (mcm0N)


It's not a problem, if it were I am pretty sure Ewok-6 would have spiked it like a volleyball by now.

Allen's mantra and JJ's countdown are fine in my eyes.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:00 PM (g8Hfr)

106 Have the insurers like UnitedHealth factored in the risk of Obama losing on this in their calculation to leave the ObamaCare market? Even if they don't have to pay back misappropriated funds, they wouldn't want to be caught in the middle -- even for a year -- if the subsidies go away.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 03:00 PM (r1fLd)

107 "And it just might kill Obamacare."

And monkeys might fly out of my butt.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 12, 2016 03:00 PM (m3iiU)

108 Again NOT to go all Trump warz here...one of the reasons I shrug at Trump is the GOP will HAPPILY impeach his ass if he goes over the line to show "fairness" and the nation NEEDS a President impeached and removed to knock the executives off the ball.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 02:56 PM (g8Hfr)


He will be handed the subpoena at his swearing in ceremony.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (QPdNE)

109 103 Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at May 12, 2016 02:58 PM (FohCt)


Which gets us back to "the GOP will need to impeach a GOP President to make the point"

The Donks used impeachment as a baldly partisan weapon in my infancy....

to them it is ONLY a partisan weapon.

The GOP must show it is an ethical one.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (g8Hfr)

110 I like Allen's post.

Yeah, pal ? Well I don't recall seeing your happy ass out there hauling salt. I mean, really. We're dragging sacks of salt ... just to poor the shit on the ground.

Makes no sense, man.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (+RTFM)

111 Then again, you can understand their worry. The mini-filibuster in 2013, arguably, led directly to the GOP wipeout at the polls of the 2014 mid-terms.

Is this meant to be ironic?

Its wikipedia, but:

The elections saw sweeping gains by the Republican Party in the Senate, House, and in numerous gubernatorial, state, and local races. The Republicans gained control of the Senate for the first time since 2006, and increased their majority in the House.[6] The Republicans also gained two seats in governors' races.[7]

Overall, the elections resulted in the largest Republican majority in the entire country in nearly a century, with 54 seats in the Senate, 247 (56.78%) in the House, 31 governorships (62%), and 68 state legislative chambers. Moreover, Republicans gained their largest majority in the House since 1928, the largest majority in Congress overall since 1928, and the largest majority of state legislatures since 1928.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (2Ocf1)

112 >>And monkeys might fly out of my butt.

Why do you have monkeys in your butt?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (/tuJf)

113 "Have the insurers like UnitedHealth factored in the risk of Obama losing on this in their calculation to leave the ObamaCare market?"


I would say "yes" but then again they were all for O-Care even with all of the obvious issues and challenged math it presented from the get-go.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 03:02 PM (LA7Cm)

114 "As long as at least one-third of the Senate supports a President, there is no method for removing said President from office"

But you can stop funding him. Instead the GOPe gave him Cromnibus.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 03:02 PM (r1fLd)

115 108 He will be handed the subpoena at his swearing in ceremony.

It's like the Nobel Peace Prize, but for Republicans.

Posted by: Michael at May 12, 2016 03:02 PM (KClXw)

116 And monkeys might fly out of my butt.

Why do you have monkeys in your butt?
Posted by: JackStraw



So not gonna swing at that hanging curve ball.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:03 PM (Qq3ZN)

117 108 Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (QPdNE)


He'll get a quarter...maybe a whole year.

Heh.

The GOP will either go REVENGE on "Captain Pen'n'Phone (unlikely) or look for a media pat on the head....

Trump will likely screw the pooch so if he is down at Bush popularity or lower and steps over the line why not impeach him?

It'd be good for the nation and the long ball congressional power fight.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:03 PM (g8Hfr)

118 "But you can stop funding him. Instead the GOPe gave him Cromnibus."
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It was a tactic! We made him agree to have some Democrats talk about spending at some point in the future. They're on the run now, boy!

You're welcome. Please donate to our Patreon.

Posted by: Congressional Republicans at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (7Kbxu)

119 yeah this will either kill Obamacare or Roberts will just write the congress out of the constitution.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (SYgVN)

120 Well if it is upheld, it MAY kill Fredocare but more likely would result in a DIRECT Gov takeover and a single payer system...ie the Federal Gov. Much will depend on whether it is upheld and who is elected President.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (V/InG)

121 Trump will likely screw the pooch so if he is down at Bush popularity or lower and steps over the line why not impeach him?


Because, President Palin?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (Qq3ZN)

122 Impeach Trumph?

Not if he picks Sarah Palin for VP.


Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (lpQSt)

123 It's not a problem, if it were I am pretty sure Ewok-6 would have spiked it like a volleyball by now.

Allen's mantra and JJ's countdown are fine in my eyes.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:00 PM (g8Hfr)

*******

Heh, probably. Ghee I thought AllenG had a blog?

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (mcm0N)

124
"And it just might kill Obamacare."



And monkeys might fly out of my butt.


But, but we can't have people dying in the streets.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 03:05 PM (MIKMs)

125 re 73: I like that idea: Obamacare is Too Big to Fail

Posted by: Mallflower at May 12, 2016 03:05 PM (qSIlh)

126 119 Posted by: Iron Wombat at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (SYgVN)


Roberts going full 'tard would be a good thing.....

It would put the cards on the table and lead to secession I think.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:05 PM (g8Hfr)

127 EPA conspires with activists to get sued and not defend anything in court. Couldn't Trump just say wait and sue when I'm prez and we won't defend anything about obamacare or whatever else in court and just forfeit them all

Posted by: mst3k at May 12, 2016 03:05 PM (rdEJB)

128 Hmm, that tie-breaker SCOTUS vote, good reason to be #NeverHillary, with all due respect to the #NeverTrump folks...not trying to start anything...I understand your position and support your right to it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 12, 2016 03:05 PM (kXoT0)

129 @rhomboid, sorry, I think your sarcasm might have been too subtle for me. You should have added some stone scattering to make it more obvious.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:05 PM (2Ocf1)

130 One of the ironies to this is that Ryan had a shining moment when he called out Obama for the lies in ObamaCare when Obama forced key Congresscritters to attend a show trial roundtable in the run-up to its adoption. What happened to that Paul Ryan?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 03:06 PM (r1fLd)

131 "Stooges"? Why I aughta...

*picks up pipe wrench*

Posted by: The Moe, Larry and Curley Health Insurance Co. at May 12, 2016 03:06 PM (8ZskC)

132 Veruca Obama will stamp her little foot and she'll get it. That's the way it has always been with the spoiled man-child.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 12, 2016 03:06 PM (hLRSq)

133 well you see, the 17.5 Billion did not self-identify as money at the time of the so-called payment. it's not it was gold or something. just some scraps of paper.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 03:06 PM (PNcou)

134 This going to court is bullshit.

The constitution provides all the remedy that is needed to deal with a rouge executive.

It's sad that we have to look to Brazil's legislature for a model on how to deal with tyrants.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2016 03:06 PM (7GJvw)

135 >>Couldn't Trump just say wait and sue when I'm prez and we won't defend anything about obamacare or whatever else in court and just forfeit them all

Maybe, accept for the small problem of Trump being in favor of government run healthcare.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:07 PM (/tuJf)

136 Danube, I think you're the first person to complain about Allen G's jingle, and I've been here for years.

Posted by: Mallflower at May 12, 2016 03:07 PM (qSIlh)

137 121 Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (Qq3ZN)


122 Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (lpQSt)


I'm pretty sure the 'cuda ain't getting the nod...

in all likelihood Trump gets Reagan'd into taking a Bush club guy...

Look for Mark the Rube....I'd prefer Haley or ideally Martinez but I digress.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:07 PM (g8Hfr)

138 Why do you have monkeys in your butt?----JackStraw


They pay rent.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (m3iiU)

139 If the insurers understand that they are being paid illegally and that a clawback may come sooner than later more fool them. They have been warned by a fed judge so they know the drill. No whining "we thought it was kosher" now.

Posted by: Lester at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (2UPXV)

140 One more thing to hang around Hillary's neck, as she's handcuffed herself to all of Obama's policies. See, you can always find a bright side.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (r1fLd)

141 "that is needed to deal with a rouge executive. "


Ironic error considering the POTUS we're talking about here.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (LA7Cm)

142 @137

Trump's VP is going to be Tom Cotton.

He's not going to get Reagened.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (7GJvw)

143 I'm pretty sure the 'cuda ain't getting the nod...



Yeah. I just meant the vp would/should be impeachment insurance.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (Qq3ZN)

144 The CEO of retail giant Target is zig-zaging between the many customers who are angered by his decision to open single-sex bathrooms to the other sex, the gender-identity progressives who pushed for the disastrous transgender policy, and the Wall Street stock-pickers who have chopped roughly $4.5 billion off the companys value.

Were going to continue to embrace our belief in diversity and inclusion, just how important that is to our company,CEO Brian Cornell

Good keep digging asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (V/InG)

145 Well I don't recall seeing your happy ass out there hauling salt.

My good man, I'll have you know I am first shift Supervisor. Salt only gets hauled where I direct it to be hauled. Hurumph

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 12, 2016 03:09 PM (dQJCS)

146 135 Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:07 PM (/tuJf)


BUT the polling says the people have soured on govt ran healthcare.

I agree Trump may go full 'tard BUT he may be canny enough to not appeal the decision to grant urgency to his plan.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:09 PM (g8Hfr)

147 So, I suffered through 90 percent of The Hateful Eight last night before finally giving up on it and hitting the rack.

Sole purpose of the movie: To see how many times the word "n#gger" could be said in two hours and 47 minutes.

Tarantino needs to retire.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 12, 2016 03:09 PM (QjjNy)

148 SCOTUScare doctrine. What Obama wants, Obama gets, notwithstanding the statue, statutory construction, legislative intent, and most especially, the Constitution.

Posted by: algore at May 12, 2016 03:10 PM (kf1Nc)

149 What happened to that Paul Ryan?

Remember when Ryan was on Ways and Means, and he proposed a budget plan that took on the deficit? Not the whole thing, just 40% of it. He said, hey, over the next 30 years, we can tackle somewhat less than half of this problem.

And Republicans (!) went on TV and said the man was too extreme. Called him an extreme extremist with extreme plans.

He figured out right away that whole fiscal conservative thing wasn't as important as advertised.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:10 PM (2Ocf1)

150 Were going to continue to embrace our belief in diversity and inclusion, just how important that is to our company,CEO Brian Cornell

Good keep digging asshole


Wal-Mart has low prices on shovels

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2016 03:11 PM (8ZskC)

151 If you are hauling salt by the fifty pound bag you are doing it wrong.

Salt is best hauled in bulk, with belly dump trailers.

We're gonna need a lot more salt than just a few fifty pound bags.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:11 PM (lpQSt)

152 Couldn't Trump just say wait and sue when I'm prez and we won't defend
anything about obamacare or whatever else in court and just forfeit them
all



Maybe, accept for the small problem of Trump being in favor of government run healthcare.
=====

We can't have people dying in the streets was his term of art.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 03:11 PM (MIKMs)

153 Where does the American taxpayer go to be made whole?

Posted by: navybrat at May 12, 2016 03:11 PM (8QGte)

154 Rara avis, make way for the rara mustela.

Posted by: Fritz at May 12, 2016 03:11 PM (UzPAd)

155 "Danube, I think you're the first person to complain about Allen G's jingle, and I've been here for years. "

Just hope s/he doesn't notice ace's Mencken quote at the top of the page.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 12, 2016 03:12 PM (3myMJ)

156 How is this shit even possible? Was this by executive order? Why isn't the case that there's a low level functionary who says, "I'm sorry, Mr. President, you are not authorized to spend that. We need the proper paperwork filled out".

Posted by: angela urkel at May 12, 2016 03:12 PM (qAxSt)

157 Nothing will happen.

Something happening requires one of two things:

1. Republicans having a spine.

2. 5 rational beings on the Supreme Court

As neither of those conditions have been met or will be in the foreseeable future, nothing will happen.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 12, 2016 03:13 PM (WuRdh)

158 85 Gee, if only the Constitution had a method to remove a misbehaving President from office...
Nah, it would never work.
Posted by: navybrat at May 12, 2016 02:53 PM (8QGte)
---------------------
It never has.

Okay, you can argue that with Nixon it did work, in so far as it made him resign. But it only worked with him because (1) the media was clamoring for his punishment and (2) he knew that members of his own party would give the House enough votes to impeach and the Senate enough votes to convict.

I think the impeachment process could work with a Republican POTUS. You'd have the media on your side plus there are enough Rs who are either skeered of the media or (gasp!) care about justice.
But it can't work with a Dem at all, much less with a Historic First!!! one.

I don't think the Founders anticipated such a longstanding, lopsided partisanship as we have now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 12, 2016 03:13 PM (T/5A0)

159 We're gonna need a lot more salt than just a few fifty pound bags.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:11 PM (lpQSt)


Build a wall around it. Pump in sea water. Allow it to evaporate. Repeat ad infinitum.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2016 03:13 PM (k1zy9)

160 "diversity and inclusion"

What a liberal says just before he rams a cock down your throat.

Posted by: CrustyB at May 12, 2016 03:14 PM (GvSpB)

161 It took 7 years to get to this point? This should have been litigated from day one.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:14 PM (V/InG)

162 159 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2016 03:13 PM (k1zy9)


I like your thinking!

//US Grant

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:14 PM (g8Hfr)

163 judge rules SSM is legal - the next day gheys can get married

judge rules o-care is unconstitutional - the next day, nothing happens and appeals process will take 20 years

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 12, 2016 03:14 PM (0LHZx)

164 163 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 12, 2016 03:14 PM (0LHZx)


Yup it sucks.

The deck is stacked against sense.

Only answer is for rich GOPers to start sponsoring law students who are ideological warriors.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (g8Hfr)

165 And it just might kill Obamacare.

Optimism. I only dimly remember what that feels like.

Posted by: physics geek at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (MT22W)

166 We won?! That wasn't supposed to happen. Now how do we get out of following up...

Posted by: GOPe at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (F1ndw)

167
Good on the House GOP for pushing this suit. This is a line of attack that was promised and that promise was kept


Applauding the 1st act of Failure Theater delivered without dropping trou may encourage them. Whether to drop trou in the 2nd or 3rd act or wait til Hairgeddon Ifni only knows.

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (DL2i+)

168 How does this *stuff* happen?

That is really the problem. Nothing in the Obama administration happens without Obama saying, implicitly or explicitly, that it should happen.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (lpQSt)

169 Plus now he is having a dialogue with someone that actively tries to direct Ace's readers to their bloG

---



Is announcing new blog posts too spammy? I'll stop if it's obnoxious.

Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (n4Zvf)

170 People who keep complaining about the Republicans in the House not impeaching Trump need to come to grip with the fact that Trump himself said that impeaching Obama would just make him a martyr.

Of course he said this on the Alex Jones Show because that's where all not crazy shit is discussed.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (/tuJf)

171 There is no rule of law over rule of men anymore. Expedience and outcome (as favored by those currently in power) is the law.

Posted by: SarahW not sure what's real anymore at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (3fTXW)

172 Monies monies

Posted by: Billies Iedol at May 12, 2016 03:17 PM (2WoCi)

173 Well if it is upheld, it MAY kill Fredocare but more likely would result in a DIRECT Gov takeover and a single payer system...ie the Federal Gov. Much will depend on whether it is upheld and who is elected President.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:04 PM (V/InG)

Having been in IT for the 4th largest health insurance company, I can say this, the insurance companies will survive in some fashion because of ANSI 5010 and ICD 10 and the sheer size and difficulty of processing a health care claim. The government currently has no data centers or software to suddenly be in the Single Payer business, so if they insist on claims being filed that are ANSI 5010 and ICD 10 compliant (codes that the entire medical industry uses to define a claim and its contents), then the insurance companies will be retained in some form or fashion to process those claims. If they decide not to use the existing structure and do some half-assed undefined mess similar to OCare, then, the health care system will collapse because no one will get paid, no supplies can be replenished, and so on and so forth.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 12, 2016 03:17 PM (kXoT0)

174 Optimism. I only dimly remember what that feels like.
Posted by: physics geek at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (MT22W)

To me it means, holding out hope they use at least a little lubricant?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:17 PM (V/InG)

175 156 How is this shit even possible? Was this by executive order? Why isn't the case that there's a low level functionary who says, "I'm sorry, Mr. President, you are not authorized to spend that. We need the proper paperwork filled out".

Posted by: angela urkel at May 12, 2016 03:12 PM (qAxSt)


MY GOD MAN HE'S BLACK!!!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 12, 2016 03:17 PM (4ErVI)

176 169 Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (n4Zvf)


I think someone is conflating GOOD 'rons and 'ettes making folk aware of their thoughts with the aftermath of the TRUMP WARZ....

relax VM if Ace has/had a problem you'd know I am certain.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:17 PM (g8Hfr)

177 " There is no rule of law over rule of men anymore. "


No, just the exertion of power.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 03:18 PM (LA7Cm)

178 Obamacare needs to be a long slow trainwreck. If it collapses too soon, people would accept single-payer as a backup. The public needs to see how horrible Government run health care can be, outside of the poor vets using the VA, and force it to stay private.

Posted by: Roy at May 12, 2016 03:18 PM (VndSC)

179 Everybody else on the planet call this a "Dictator".

Maybe Mr. Constitutional Law expert can point out where he gets this power?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2016 03:19 PM (O0lVq)

180 The thing that has to get fixed is healthcare. That's what will break the bank.

We're going to lose the Republic because Sandra Fluke insisted that the rest of us should pay for her birth control polls, Vagisil and Astroglide.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 03:19 PM (r1fLd)

181 @161

Standard GOP operating procedure is to dick around for years, fund raise off the issue until it's bled dry, sue and hope people forget about it, move on to the next CON.

They're probably as surprised as anyone that the judge released the opinion so soon.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2016 03:20 PM (KwtEE)

182 "just some scraps of paper."

Bits in a computer data base. Except for SS. Of course the bonds for SS are not negotiable and the lock box is a filing cabinet. All for show.

Be funny if someone stole the SS bonds.

Posted by: huh? at May 12, 2016 03:20 PM (CRXed)

183 I'm going to start calling it AssholeCare, in order to give the dude the props he deserves.

Posted by: Roy at May 12, 2016 03:20 PM (VndSC)

184 170 Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:16 PM (/tuJf)


1) Trump ain't "historic"

2) Trump is Republican

3) I don't mind martyrs.... to be a martyr you(r) (political career) need(s)to be dead.

For clarity I am speaking of a POLITICAL death and in now way shape or form wish PotUS, any candidate, or even ants PHYSICAL death.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:21 PM (g8Hfr)

185 183 I'm going to start calling it AssholeCare, in order to give the dude the props he deserves
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That also applies to John Roberts.

Posted by: Roy at May 12, 2016 03:21 PM (VndSC)

186 185 Posted by: Roy at May 12, 2016 03:21 PM (VndSC)


"Goat Pix" care...

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:22 PM (g8Hfr)

187 They need Congress to act in order to gain a single-payer system. This will collapse before that. Insurance companies are already looking for the exits. Most of them actually have stockholders to who they need to report.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2016 03:22 PM (O0lVq)

188 Nah, obama will Judge "shop" until He gets the one He needs....

Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:22 PM (O2RFr)

189
Abandon hope all who enter here,
for this is our future.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:23 PM (lpQSt)

190 >>It took 7 years to get to this point? This should have been litigated from day one.

The decision as to whether or not the House even had standing to sue wasn't decided until September of 2015. The reason it took this long to get to this point is because of Obama trying to get the case tossed.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (/tuJf)

191 136 Danube, I think you're the first person to complain about Allen G's jingle, and I've been here for years.
Posted by: Mallflower at May 12, 2016 03:07 PM (qSIlh)


Not just complain, but go full old Testament prophet Godwin (what's Godwin for Stalin?) on it.

Point taken that political change that involves actual bloodshed is an unspeakably, horrendously greivious burden on those to whom it falls. He's not wrong for thinking it's one of the possible outcomes for the track we're on. And making a permanent waste of the landscape is a healthy way to erect a stop sign for future generations who were thinking of, oh, say, trampling the natural born rights of a couple hundred million people.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (M0ddJ)

192 Build a wall around it. Pump in sea water. Allow it to evaporate. Repeat ad infinitum.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2016 03:13 PM (k1zy9)


We'd build the wall with the stones? So, after we scatter the stones, we need to go collect them again?

That seems inefficient. Maybe just go direct to the wall building?

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (2Ocf1)

193 How is this shit even possible? Was this by executive order? Why isn't the case that there's a low level functionary who says, "I'm sorry, Mr. President, you are not authorized to spend that. We need the proper paperwork filled out".

Posted by: angela urkel at May 12, 2016 03:12 PM (qAxSt)


MY GOD MAN HE'S BLACK!!!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis



The sheriff is a .........!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (Qq3ZN)

194 188 Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:22 PM (O2RFr)


He's stuck....this either goes to SCotUS or gets untaken up....

Obama is in "check" had Scalia lived it would be "mate"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (g8Hfr)

195 I don't think we have to worry about Trump as next president.

I don't think we're going to make it to January, not at the rate Obama is ramping up our destruction.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (lpQSt)

196 If the insurers understand that they are being paid illegally and that a clawback may come sooner than later more fool them. They have been warned by a fed judge so they know the drill. No whining "we thought it was kosher" now.
Posted by: Lester at May 12, 2016 03:08 PM (2UPXV)

They know and they have reserves. A lot of the whole OCare mess was an attempt to get at those hundreds of billions of real dollars of reserves. They are required to have in reserve enough capital to pay out the full amount of the full allowable yearly amount for every subscriber within 30 days, which is usually around 2 million dollars--it varies year by year. One year my former company overestimated how much the H1N1 flu was going to cost them, so they had several hundred million in reserves that they did not need.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (kXoT0)

197 It would be nice if we still lived in a nation of laws and not men.

Roberts knew the bill was Unconstitutional every which way, but decided to take the country down a dark path for the sake of his legacy.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:25 PM (N2hss)

198 Well, yes, okay. This is good.

Except that this whole plan is SUPPOSED to fail anyway. It's meant to collapse so that in its wake a single payer system can be established. That's baked in and part of the plan.

The architects of this mess have made that clear from day one.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 12, 2016 03:26 PM (Zq8pH)

199 http://cheezburger.com/8793444864

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 03:27 PM (DL2i+)

200 But he did not stop,the payments. They continue until SCOTUS agrees via a tie vote.

Posted by: BBReggie at May 12, 2016 03:27 PM (K1RXR)

201 All of this, and I mean ALL OF THIS, will not crash in bury us till after that fuck Fredo leaves Office and it was all planned that way.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:27 PM (V/InG)

202 198 Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 12, 2016 03:26 PM (Zq8pH)


and Donkey Party has paid a price for it in mid-terms

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:27 PM (g8Hfr)

203 >>And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
Why do you have monkeys in your butt?
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (/tuJf)


Because if you keep them in your ears, you can't hear anything else over the sound of the cymbals?

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2016 03:27 PM (rKjqN)

204 If I owe money to the IRS, can I just tell the IRS to get it from the same place Obama got the Obamacare money?

Posted by: Michael at May 12, 2016 03:28 PM (KClXw)

205 I am still waiting for all poiticians and judges to be forced onto one of the Fredocare plans. LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:28 PM (V/InG)

206 They need Congress to act in order to gain a single-payer system. This will collapse before that. Insurance companies are already looking for the exits. Most of them actually have stockholders to who they need to report.
Posted by: Marcus T
______________



It will also require a massive tax increase to accompany any single payer system as every rating agency would instantly downgrade us as a new multi-trillion dollar entitlement needs some new revenue source.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:28 PM (N2hss)

207
I'm going to start calling it AssholeCare, in order to give the dude the props he deserves

Preparation O

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 03:29 PM (k4M/B)

208 If I owe money to the IRS, can I just tell the IRS to get it from the same place Obama got the Obamacare money?
Posted by: Michael at May 12, 2016 03:28 PM (KClXw)

Why yes, yes you can. By the way do want the top or bottom bunk in Jail?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:29 PM (V/InG)

209 place a lien on all of his shit

Posted by: x at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (nFwvY)

210 Lincoln spent money that Congress didn't appropriate, you racists! See how far the party of Lincoln has gone! Why, you are now the pro-slavery party of Trump!

Posted by: algore at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (kf1Nc)

211 They know and they have reserves. A lot of the
whole OCare mess was an attempt to get at those hundreds of billions of
real dollars of reserves. They are required to have in reserve enough
capital to pay out the full amount of the full allowable yearly amount
for every subscriber within 30 days, which is usually around 2 million
dollars--it varies year by year. One year my former company
overestimated how much the H1N1 flu was going to cost them, so they had
several hundred million in reserves that they did not need.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 12, 2016 03:24 PM (kXoT0)
=====
THIS. And the attempts are already starting on personal retirement accounts. All that money, just sitting there doing nothing, when your government needs it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (MIKMs)

212 Whicha youse guys hauling salt around??

Posted by: The Teamsters at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (QM5S2)

213 If it goes to the SCOTUS Obama wins....

Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)

214 That seems inefficient. Maybe just go direct to the wall building?

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NO NO NO. You build a wall of ICE from seawater. As it freezes, the salt is leftover.

Posted by: Jon Snow at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (PNcou)

215 203 >>And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
Why do you have monkeys in your butt?
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2016 03:01 PM (/tuJf)

Because if you keep them in your ears, you can't hear anything else over the sound of the cymbals?
Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2016 03:27 PM (rKjqN)


Plus, where else would you keep something that flings its own poo?

Posted by: TexasDan at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (M0ddJ)

216 Roberts knew the bill was Unconstitutional every which way, but decided
to take the country down a dark path for the sake of his legacy.
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Well he succeeded in defining his legacy.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (ZbV+0)

217 Well, yes, okay. This is good.

Except that this whole plan is SUPPOSED to fail anyway. It's meant to collapse so that in its wake a single payer system can be established. That's baked in and part of the plan.

The architects of this mess have made that clear from day one.
Posted by: Agent Cooper




I really don't think that was the plan, I think these "brilliant" Ivy League egg heads thought they had some Rube Goldberg system that gave everyone healthcare that blew up in their faces.

Obama and Democrats have paid a steep price for ObamaCare.

The smarter play would have just been something like expand MediCaid and call it a day.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (N2hss)

218 197 It would be nice if we still lived in a nation of laws and not men.

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i'm doing my part

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (PNcou)

219 If it goes to the SCOTUS Obama wins....
Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)

Why do you say that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (V/InG)

220 Y-not in the sidebar....

guess what ALL savings will be taking a haircut if my guess on Uncle Jan's playbook is right.

Yellen declares DEEP negative interest rates and the Feds make mandatory savings the law of the land...

voila you have a regressive income tax disguised as a monetary policy decision....

we are getting fucked either way....

Monty and I screamed for how long that you needed to empty the cookie jars?

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (g8Hfr)

221 Burn it down, scatter the stones, salt the earth where it stood, change your sex and follow the blue line from the student lounge to the fainting couch area.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (3myMJ)

222 Its been so long since we won anything that I don't know how to process this. Perhaps a subdued Yay! is in order?

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 12, 2016 03:32 PM (ByLlW)

223 218 197 It would be nice if we still lived in a nation of laws and not men.

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i'm doing my part

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 12, 2016 03:31 PM (PNcou)


Thread winner.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:32 PM (2Ocf1)

224 219 If it goes to the SCOTUS Obama wins....
Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)

Why do you say that?

The make-up of SCOTUS

Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:32 PM (O2RFr)

225 Why do you have monkeys in your butt?

--

access to more poo to fling

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 12, 2016 03:32 PM (PNcou)

226 213 Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (O2RFr)


Only if Roberts and/or Kennedy cross the aisle love.'


In this case" a tie favors sanity.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:32 PM (g8Hfr)

227 >>> As long as at least one-third of the Senate supports a President, there is no method for removing said President from office


"But you can stop funding him. Instead the GOPe gave him Cromnibus."

Not only gave him the cromnibus, but also handed him a _multi-year funding_ package for certain things upon which Obama and the donor-class GOP see eye to eye.

"Refugee resettlement" was funded in full through the end of fiscal year 2018.

Because, God knows, there's no national priority more urgent than that.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 12, 2016 03:33 PM (noWW6)

228 The make-up of SCOTUS
Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:32 PM (O2RFr)


4 -4 we win? Unless your counting Roberts as on the liberal side on this one, and i am not so sure about that one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:33 PM (V/InG)

229 Only if Roberts and/or Kennedy cross the aisle love.'


In this case" a tie favors sanity.

I guess We've been burned so often I don't trust them...

Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:34 PM (O2RFr)

230 Danube, regarding nihilism and the Soviets...

I think it's a little bit of an unfair comparison. Every revolution involves some form of tearing down the old philosophical structures that stood before. Including the American Revolution in which the monarchy was overthrown, and the stones and rubble of the idea that created it were scattered and the entire idea salted. Which was the inception of a very beneficial time in world history. A more appropriate target for your fear of nihilism would be what the SJW's and the left in general are doing with the moral fabric of the nation. They are more aligned with Lenin ideologically, and their methods are more aligned as well.

Posted by: Sambo at May 12, 2016 03:34 PM (CwNIZ)

231 228 Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:33 PM (V/InG)


I think his pride in upholding Ogabecare in the first place means he has a non zero percent chance of joining the moonbats.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:34 PM (g8Hfr)

232 If you read the decision, it looks like the government wants to fast track it past the DC Circuit and right to SCOTUS. They are also going to continue pursuing the issue of the House's "standing". That is, they will try to now skip the material, substantive aspects of the suit and simply try to say the House has no standing to sue, ergo it should be dismissed.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2016 03:35 PM (O0lVq)

233 THIS. And the attempts are already starting on personal retirement accounts. All that money, just sitting there doing nothing, when your government needs it.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 03:30 PM (MIKMs)

That started under BJ Clinton. It was roundly rejected. Be assured that it is on Hillary's list of things to do.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 12, 2016 03:35 PM (kXoT0)

234 The good news about the 'Donald Trump is after your 401k' article in the sidebar is that it's written (I guessed right before I clicked!) by Brett Arends, a notorious click-bait bozo who's just about never right with any of his predictions.

He's the clown that actually published an article 5 years or so ago sneering at people for predicting tough financial times ahead for California. 'Never happen!', said Brett, prior to 4 or 5 CA municipal bankruptcies and the flight of just about anybody with money and sense.

Whatever the web equivalent of the circular file is, file it in there.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at May 12, 2016 03:36 PM (XdbLA)

235 232 Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2016 03:35 PM (O0lVq)


If SCOtUS finds the House lacks standing we are in a dictatorship with the trappings of election.

It *really* is that serious

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:36 PM (g8Hfr)

236 STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!!!

Posted by: United Stone Scatterers and Saly Haulers at May 12, 2016 03:36 PM (QM5S2)

237 So who do you think makes a better SCOTUS appointment for this case?


Hillary or Trump?

Remember, Hillary thinks a big flaw to ObamaCare is that it doesn't cover all illegal aliens.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:36 PM (N2hss)

238
Remember, Hillary thinks a big flaw to ObamaCare is that it doesn't cover all illegal aliens.

It will in CA.

Posted by: donna at May 12, 2016 03:37 PM (O2RFr)

239 Killian is correct - the 34-dimensional chess that so many people attribute to the not-very-smart smart people and "experts" who have been pushing some variant of this nonsense for 30 years is a fantasy.


Yes, these people really *are* this clueless. Same applies in all areas - foreign policy, for example. Their various disasters were grounded firmly in their ignorance, low effective intelligence, and arrogance.


In addition to which, there is no magical instant "single payer" option that appears as O-care flies apart.


We are in a lawless, stupid society, in many ways. But the magical transition people here claim was "the goal all along" doesn't exist.


A lawless, clueless SCOTUS can legislate social and cultural questions (Kennedy's insane ramblings in redefining marriage), or lawlessly do a mark-up on existing law (both big O-care decisions). But it is unlikely to attempt to create a brand-new "single payer" system out of thin air.


And since Congress won't - only out of fear - it won't happen like that.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2016 03:37 PM (QDnY+)

240 81 Boffo! I laughed, I cried, it moved me

Posted by: the Butcher at May 12, 2016 03:37 PM (AGJqR)

241 "personal retirement accounts"

Are all fully invested. If retirement accounts are nationalized the stock market and bond market crash. Then everyone will understand what is happening.

Posted by: huh? at May 12, 2016 03:37 PM (CRXed)

242 Justice Roberts loves him some obamacare. So, prediction: This goes to the SC, and Obama wins, because it's not a tax. Or it is a tax. Or it's a fee, or something, and all completely legal, and above board. Just like everything Obama does.

/spit

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 12, 2016 03:37 PM (hqASI)

243 4 -4 we win? Unless your counting Roberts as on the liberal side on this one, and i am not so sure about that one




4-4 tie goes to the way it is now. No change.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:38 PM (Qq3ZN)

244 4-4 tie goes to the way it is now. No change.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:38 PM (Qq3ZN)

NO, the Federal judge struck down the Gov funding Insurance company loses, so if it is a 4-4 tie, the last ruling striking down that part STANDS and we win

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 03:40 PM (V/InG)

245 Bait 'N Switch Care

Posted by: jsg at May 12, 2016 03:40 PM (gs8be)

246 Do you know Congress actually repealed Obamacare and sent the bill to Obama this year to veto?

didn't make the news.

I truly think the media is 90% of the problem.

Trump seems like a solution to that. Except now that they will actually start hitting him.

Already the pressure to release the tax returns is turned up, far more than during the primary. (Hmmm, why would that be?)

Trump already backed down and said he would release them.

Second time to promise that. We'll see.

Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2016 03:41 PM (UBBWX)

247 NO, the Federal judge struck down the Gov funding Insurance company loses, so if it is a 4-4 tie, the last ruling striking down that part STANDS and we win


Sweet!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:41 PM (Qq3ZN)

248 Somehow this fits every thread:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/
2016/05/12/man-gets-knocked-out-
by-clown-during-circus-stunt.
html?intcmp=hplnws

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 03:41 PM (DL2i+)

249 4-4 tie goes to the way it is now. No change.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:38 PM (Qq3ZN)


Negatory, good buddy. This ruling was against the administration, even with the promise of a stay on appeal. If SCOTUS refuses to hear it, or hears it and it goes 4-4, then it sticks.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:41 PM (2Ocf1)

250 So,
this goes to the supreme court and Obama wins which sets the precedent that future presidents can spend money any way they want to despite House appropriations?

Or.
Obama loses, and Obama ignores the ruling and pays off cronies anyway. Then what? The next president brings charges against a former president for violating law, the constitution, and court rulings?

Or, Obama loses, and stops sending money to insurance companies, and then what? What would Trump do when insurance companies start going bankrupt?

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 03:42 PM (lpQSt)

251 You know, I thought for SURE Roberts would have ruled our way on the "state vs federal" funding that was clear as day with ObamaCare, but he didn't.

I wills say he at least ruled with Hobby Lobby, so who knows.

But taking funding out of thin air that Congress never authorized truly is the stuff of a banana republic, but nothing surprises me anymore.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:42 PM (N2hss)

252
Are all fully invested. If retirement accounts
are nationalized the stock market and bond market crash. Then everyone
will understand what is happening. Posted by: huh? at May 12, 2016 03:37 PM (CRXed)
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And that is what was said about insurance reserves.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 03:42 PM (MIKMs)

253 >>f SCOtUS finds the House lacks standing we are in a dictatorship with the trappings of election.

It *really* is that serious
Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:36 PM (g8Hfr)
<<

The problem is these case are rare, and so is the ability of Congress to sue in federal court. I'm actually surprised this has come this far because of that.

But I do agree if there was ever a case where standing should e allowed, this is it. The Executive Branch has directly and deliberately contravened very clear parts of the Constitution as it relates to spending. This was clearly no part of the spending Congress approved in that bill.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2016 03:42 PM (O0lVq)

254 "If retirement accounts are nationalized the stock market and bond market crash."

Nothing another twenty or thirty trillion in "helicopter money" can't fix.

Relax. We got this.

Posted by: The Gnomes of the Fed at May 12, 2016 03:42 PM (noWW6)

255 (admit my habitual laziness has prevented me from even the cursory check to find out for myself)


So is "standing" actually still an issue?


If the House doesn't have standing in matters regarding appropriations and related expenditures by the executive, then there would be no hyperbole in saying the constitution has been literally revoked.


As it is, most "standing" guidelines have the effect of concentrating power and removing restraints on abuse of that power. A ruling against House standing in this case would be, effectively, game-over for the historical and constitutionally legitimate organization of govt. on the federal level.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2016 03:43 PM (QDnY+)

256 "The good news about the 'Donald Trump is after your 401k' article in the sidebar is that it's written (I guessed right before I clicked!) by Brett Arends, a notorious click-bait bozo who's just about never right with any of his predictions."

Trump was pretty specific that the trouble happens if interest rates go up 1,2,3,4 %.

In that case, Trump is right: austerity will be brutal as payment on the debt will be high.

I guarantee you Krugman will call for default in that situation.

Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2016 03:43 PM (UBBWX)

257 246 Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2016 03:41 PM (UBBWX)

Expressing your opinion on what the newsies deserve too forcefully will get you banned.

Friendly warning.

247 Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 03:41 PM (Qq3ZN)


Not taking it up BTW gives the Liberals on the Court an escape hatch from leftoid wrath IMHO.

They have to know their games may bite them in the ass at some future date.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:43 PM (g8Hfr)

258 Come on Ace... you know the GOP will turn right around -- if needs be -- and appropriate the $$$. They're terrified of being left holding the political bag if Obamacare collapses.

Posted by: Sam in VA at May 12, 2016 03:44 PM (bNi5D)

259 If SCOTUS refuses to hear it, or hears it and it goes 4-4, then it sticks.

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Rooting for refuse to hear. Takes effect that much faster.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 03:44 PM (PNcou)

260 Retirement accounts won't be formally nationalized, it will be something like "buy our tax free bonds that guarantee a 5% rate of return or take your chances in the casino".

Everyone will then convert their 401(k) to government debt and most will be grinning ear to ear about it.

Eventually though even our printing press runs out of ink.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:44 PM (N2hss)

261 "If retirement accounts
are nationalized the stock market and bond market crash. Then everyone
will understand what is happening."

LOL. Really?

I bet when that happens 50% of people say "The Banks are taking my money! Help me, government!"

Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2016 03:44 PM (UBBWX)

262 "We're not going to fund these payments!" - Republicans

"They want to take away your healthcare!!!" - Joe Biden

"How much do you need?" - Republicans


SSDD

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 12, 2016 03:46 PM (2PHKP)

263 204 If I owe money to the IRS, can I just tell the IRS to get it from the same place Obama got the Obamacare money?
Posted by: Michael at May 12, 2016 03:28 PM (KClXw)




"Here is my payment. Can you cash a trillion dollar coin?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2016 03:46 PM (oKE6c)

264 I guarantee you Krugman will call for default in that situation.

Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2016 03:43 PM (UBBWX)


I have been expecting a toot of 1500% inflation for a bit.

Reissue currency and shave 4 or 5 zeroes off the debt. Take care of student debt, too. If you have some inflation adjusted government subsidy, it won't be too bad. The rest of yas? You've had hundreds of years of privilege so, you know, enjoy the haircut.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:46 PM (2Ocf1)

265 259 Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 03:44 PM (PNcou)

not taking the case also allows the leftoid hive mind an out on leftoid wrath....

we'll see if they take it.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:46 PM (g8Hfr)

266 264 Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:46 PM (2Ocf1)

Uncle Jan is trying to be more sly than that.

The Fed is very pro-donkey right now....

the negative interest mandatory savings haircut is coming.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:47 PM (g8Hfr)

267 The bottom line for me on Trump vs. Hillary is easy; Hillary as president means she gets away scot-free on the Susie Homemaker EZ-Half-Baked server deal, and the much more serious Cash-and-Carry-Clintons scandal that is percolating under the toe-wipe media's radar, too.

You think OBAMA thinks he's bulletproof? You ain't seen nothin'.

Laws will mean nothing to Hillary, because she's gotten away with, literally, murder.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at May 12, 2016 03:48 PM (XdbLA)

268 Finally, some good news, even if it doesn't last

Posted by: jazzuscounty at May 12, 2016 03:48 PM (iRHb1)

269 "If the House doesn't have standing in matters regarding appropriations and related expenditures by the executive, then there would be no hyperbole in saying the constitution has been literally revoked. "


We are living in truly interesting times.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 03:48 PM (LA7Cm)

270
In addition to which, there is no magical instant "single payer" option that appears as O-care flies apart.

Medicare for all.

Posted by: Hillary's berning question at May 12, 2016 03:48 PM (k4M/B)

271 /reads over thread

/eyes glaze over

/starts throwing cars

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 03:48 PM (9krrF)

272 Obama's lawyers are arguing that the House has no legal standing to sue. If Congress doesn't have standing here, who does?

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I tend to agree with his lawyers. I'm not sure how the House has standing. Further, I'm not sure why any of us would want the courts to resolve disputes between the other two branches. The Constitution gave Congress powers to handle this.

I need to study this more, but seems to me this is not an actual case or controversy that the courts have jurisdiction under Article III.

Posted by: SH at May 12, 2016 03:49 PM (gmeXX)

273 Attempts by conservatives to save entitlements like Social Security by raising the retirement age are probably short sighted.

The best decisions will probably come through bankruptcy, and the sooner we get there, the better.

We're either going to inflate like crazy or default, I'd personally rather see the global community take the haircut and start fresh.

If the world no longer trusts the US to buy its bonds, all the better, as it will be harder to grow government.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:49 PM (N2hss)

274 >>Everyone will then convert their 401(k) to government debt and most will be grinning ear to ear about it.

Thought the plan was to first implement government-managed 401Ks for people in professions that don't typically get them one (e.g., hairdressers, like they're about to do in CA) and *then* the Dems will crow about how it's "unfair" that these govt 401Ks don't earn the same as the "platinum" privately managed 401K that others have (just like w/private health insurance!) and the best way to make it "fair" is to nationalize 401Ks and their management into a single pool of money!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 03:49 PM (NOIQH)

275 272 Posted by: SH at May 12, 2016 03:49 PM (gmeXX)


If Congress has no standing to thwart an Executive who literally ignores the budget then we have an elected Make a Wish king not a president and impeachment needs to become a lot more common.

If the only restraint on Imperial ambition is the President's conscience then Obama will be looked back at fondly a half century from now as "restrained."

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:51 PM (g8Hfr)

276 I need to study this more, but seems to me this is not an actual case or controversy that the courts have jurisdiction under Article III.

Posted by: SH at May 12, 2016 03:49 PM (gmeXX)


It is certainly a position they could take, and I think they have before, said, hey, don't look at us this is y'all's fight.

Essentially leaving impeachment as the only option.

I don't know that I agree with it, but it could easily go that way.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:51 PM (2Ocf1)

277 Oh, I see why it got quiet in here.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:52 PM (2Ocf1)

278 Another reason not to fear instant "single payer" is that the GOP may not allow the "collapse" of O-care.


Recall that the otherwise invisible and ineffectual majorities of both houses (unable even to get regular order in appropriations restored - an astonishing and inexcusable failure probably not well understood by most who don't waste brain-space on what have historically been inside baseball/mechanical issues) bestirred itself to concern + possible "action" when it seemed that the SCOTUS might make the only sensible ruling on the state-subsidies case (Burwell).


They were ready to step up and "save" the program if one the many clearly brazenly illegal practices now under way were predictably struck down. Heck - in these comments sections we even saw jaw-dropping rationalization of this.


So not to worry, single-payer-phobic friends. The defense-in-depth of this idiotic, unworkable, disastrous, unconstitutional, economically and medically illiterate "signature" accomplishment of the affirmative action non-entity in the Oval Office has many layers.


If against all odds the judiciary concludes 1 + 1 = 2, there's a fair chance the GOP will step in to save the day.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2016 03:52 PM (QDnY+)

279 /starts throwing cars

love the LS sound

http://tinyurl.com/z4zs9uo

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 03:53 PM (DL2i+)

280

not holding my breath on this one

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 12, 2016 03:53 PM (qCMvj)

281 276 Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 03:51 PM (2Ocf1)


Morally and legally I agree it is in fact not the court's bailiwick...

of course neither was it the court's bailiwick to Jedi Mind trick posterity with "it's a tax"

Given the donk's refusal to impeach a donk ever it means we have a king.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:53 PM (g8Hfr)

282 If Congress has no standing to thwart an Executive who literally ignores the budget then we have an elected Make a Wish king not a president and impeachment needs to become a lot more common.
_______________

+1

How else does another branch of government address this when the only way Congress can check the Executive is through the power of the purse?

Which is what the Administration is usurping here.

Posted by: Killian at May 12, 2016 03:54 PM (N2hss)

283 Completely insane race riot breaks out in Sylmar, California, and the media is going to great lengths to cover it up and misrepresent it as a race-neutral "brawl."

But what really happened was the black students en masse assaulted white and Hispanic students at the school during lunch, with brutal beating and kicking, and were only (partly) stopped when cops tried (almost completely futilely) to intervene.

YouTube is desperately taking all videos of the incident offline as soon as they can find them, but people keep uploading them. Here are a couple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ly19S7I174

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXR3vyKUdaQ

More here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sylmar+brawl

So the day afterward, the students held a rally to protest...to protest... (can you guess??)...against the police for stopping the assault!

News outlets reporting on the incident go to extreme lengths to hide what happened. Here's a typical one:

http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20160512/ sylmar-high-students-rally-after-brawl-lausd-responds

" Some students held a rally today at Sylmar High School in the wake of a lunchtime brawl on Monday that involved about 40 students.

During the approximately one-hour event this morning, some students sat in bleachers at the athletic field while others held up signs on the campus at 13050 Borden Ave."

Signs? What KIND of signs? "Brawl"? What KIND of brawl?

If the races had been reversed, it would be international news for a year.

Helter Skelter.

Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2016 03:55 PM (jBuUi)

284 283 Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2016 03:55 PM (jBuUi)


Looks like the black kids agree with the usual historic analysis that Hispanic and White is the same thing....

I welcome the blacks driving the Hispanics to the GOP.

Keep up the good work kids.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 03:56 PM (g8Hfr)

285 That is insane, zombie!

Has anyone reported what instigated the brawl?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 03:57 PM (NOIQH)

286 Signs? What KIND of signs?


Competitive event. Judges scoring on hits and misses


8.5 - 7.9 - 8.0 - 8.2


Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 04:00 PM (lpQSt)

287 Has anyone reported what instigated the brawl?
Posted by: Lizzy


Not really. One of the videos claims that it related to a black gang vs. Hispanic gang conflict. Not sure if that's true.

Last time I ever knew anything about Sylmar, it was an all-white blue-collar working class suburb, essentially crime-free. Demographics must have shifted.

Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2016 04:00 PM (jBuUi)

288 SH, the fact that Congress has other tools to deal with this (a point I and many others stress to point out the effective complicity of the GOP majorities in many things they ostensibly "oppose") is not material to standing.


And, while I (seriously) await edumucation on this point, I literally cannot imagine that Congress would not have standing in a case involving unlawful expenditure of funds requiring appropriation (Anti-Deficiency Act and "impoundment" cases both, I think, received judicial blessing and had standing).


As another moron just put it above, if Congress can't resort to courts when their appropriations power *itself* is vitiated by executive actions, what exactly are its actual "tools" to use in reigning in the executive?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2016 04:00 PM (QDnY+)

289
Demographics must have shifted.
Posted by: zombie


Lot of that going on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 04:01 PM (k4M/B)

290 http://tinyurl.com/zyuwzxx

"The African Spear" website gives away the game....

The blacks feel the Hispanics are just as racist against them as the white devil...

essentially as I predicted here in 2008 the donk coalition is as doomed by victory as defeat....

1) blacks are being ethnically cleansed in their historic California neighborhoods

2) there is no "Hispanic" hive it is in fact a fractured grouping

3) you can't keep you Subaru driving Google/F*c*book crowd and the other two groups all happy

We will wind up with enough of one minority or the other in the next decade it'll be a wash....

frankly given demographics I'll take the Hispanics.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 04:02 PM (g8Hfr)

291 289 Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 04:01 PM (k4M/B)


Yup.

The GOP has a REAL opportunity to point out the insanity of racial grievance politics to one side or the other.

The US is not supposed to be about race uber alles it is supposed to be about creed uber alles.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 04:04 PM (g8Hfr)

292 The African Spear website was the first that came up BTW....

it seems to be a very crazy California based website.

Maybe NSFW and definitely NSF Sanity

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 04:06 PM (g8Hfr)

293 If Congress has no standing to thwart an Executive who literally ignores the budget then we have an elected Make a Wish king not a president and impeachment needs to become a lot more common.
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+1

How else does another branch of government address this when the only way Congress can check the Executive is through the power of the purse?

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I am framing it this way - at least to start. Would the founders have wanted Congress and the Executive to sue one another. Or did they write into the Constitution other checks and balances that each branch can use.

Now that doesn't end the discussion - its just my starting point. Ultimately, looking at Article III, I'm not convinced this is an actual case or controversy.

I could be wrong of course, and I'm open to education as well. Ultimately, I'm not sure we really want the courts to resolve disputes between them though.

Just my thoughts now. I hope smarter legal minds write about this ruling so I can gain some additional insight.

Posted by: SH at May 12, 2016 04:07 PM (gmeXX)

294 Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2016 03:55 PM (jBuUi)


Club 85 throws an event.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2016 04:09 PM (oKE6c)

295 @38: "Nihilism is evil."

So is supporting, in any way, the current system that is horrible and getting worse. Opting for nothing is the only rational response to the Ogre's Choice.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 12, 2016 04:11 PM (rznWS)

296 Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2016 03:55 PM (jBuUi)


Yay, diversity!


The brawl probably started over whether a particular power series actually converges or not.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2016 04:12 PM (oKE6c)

297 @134: "The constitution provides all the remedy that is needed to deal with a rouge executive."

Other than the whole "it's never actually worked" aspect, sure.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 12, 2016 04:24 PM (rznWS)

298 Under provisions of ObamaDoesn'tCare, if insurers' expenses exceed 103 percent of their projected costs, the federal government would be required to reimburse half of those payments. If their actual claims increased 8 percent above the projected claims, the government would cover 80 percent of the excess.

The problem is the law's vague language does not actually give the Department of Health and Human Services legal authority to fund the program -- meaning Congress must get involved. That's according to a legal opinion released in 2014 by the Government Accountability Office, which said that in order for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid to use general funds for the risk corridors -- Congress must adopt language spelling that out in CMS's future appropriations.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 12, 2016 04:25 PM (e8kgV)

299 @158: "I don't think the Founders anticipated such a longstanding, lopsided partisanship as we have now."

Jefferson and others pretty much expected that any serious bullshit on the part of the government would lead to an immediate overthrow thereof.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 12, 2016 04:27 PM (rznWS)

300 Should be no debate that ObamaCare will blow up, it's just a question of how it does and when.

If I understand it correctly, at least until now, ObamaCare has mostly hurt people who don't have regular employer coverage and who are forced onto exchanges. These will now becoming shockingly expensive as insurers leave the market. Those who pay full freight may stop their coverage and just pay the tax penalty, which will accelerate the death spiral.

Some employees have been hurt as employers cut their hours to avoid being subject to ObamaCare.

When and how will the rest of us feel the pain?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 12, 2016 04:46 PM (r1fLd)

301 They file an appeal and can keep doing it. It will slowly make it's way through to the Supreme Court and with Hillary getting elected thanks to the mouth breathing GOP base nominating the unelectable Trump and therefore ensiring a Democrat appointment to the Supremes the appeal will be successful.

Posted by: Sad state of affairs at May 12, 2016 04:49 PM (h54oK)

302 This is the legacy of "entitlement" programs that aren't specifically appropriated with specific amounts each year. The Obama Administration merely tried to "ride the coattails" of other open-ended CMS funding (along with a series of other administrative inventions).

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 12, 2016 05:37 PM (e8kgV)

303 I bet there was a loud ObamaSwear coming from the White House today.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 12, 2016 05:47 PM (e8kgV)

304 The US is not supposed to be about race uber alles it is supposed to be about creed uber alles.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 04:04 PM (g8Hfr)

I like you sven and generally agree, but when have those conditions ever existed, and if they hasn't what makes you think they could here? The truth is that as bad as it is now, it's the best it's ever been. I'm not sure who is more pie in the sky these days, conservatives or progressives. Everybody seems to be running around thinking this time is different, but it's not, and I don't think it will be long before everybody realizes that.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2016 06:06 PM (fYd6z)

305 304 Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2016 06:06 PM (fYd6z)


We have stumbled and failed at times but part of the burden the right faces is not convincing the "newer better Americans" we mean it.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 06:28 PM (g8Hfr)

306 State of the Nation:

Congress uses the power of the purse to get what a majority wants--heinous.

Executive Branch uses power of the purse to push what has never been voted on--God's own work.

Further state of the nation:

Some poll of a 1000 people says something that Dems favor--holy writ

A "poll" taken in a voting booth, a roll call "poll" taken on a legislative floor, does something Dems don't want--irrelevant.

Posted by: Grumpicus at May 12, 2016 06:47 PM (J3UIw)

307 We have stumbled and failed at times but part of the
burden the right faces is not convincing the "newer better Americans"
we mean it.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 06:28 PM (g8Hfr)

You realize it only takes one side to be at war, right? Mutual consent is not required.
On a side point. When have we failed, at least in comparison to other humans, instead of our own lofty ideals of how good we should be. Western civilization didn't invent slavery. It was normal before the West outlawed it. We didn't invent racism, but I think you can make an argument that Western civilization has did more to combat racism and inequality than any other dominant civilization. How can you say we've failed in any measure unless you compare us to our own ideas.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2016 06:50 PM (fYd6z)

308 307 Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2016 06:50 PM (fYd6z)


I've been making my peace with laying down my morals to "just win baby"...

we fail b/c if we spent ANY effort to show our good deeds the donks' lies wouldn't stick.

We suck now...which makes us unworthy of our ancestors.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 07:06 PM (g8Hfr)

309 Those effin RNC types just stood by while this crap went down...knowing health care stocks would quadruple when it passed.They cried alligator tears

Posted by: torabora at May 12, 2016 07:08 PM (Grqoo)

310 All they have to do to stop it is start defunding this that benefit donks...

Posted by: torabora at May 12, 2016 07:09 PM (Grqoo)

311
We suck now...which makes us unworthy of our ancestors.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 12, 2016 07:06 PM (g8Hfr)

That may be a justifiable yard stick by which to declare us a failure. Minus the boomers of course.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 12, 2016 07:28 PM (fYd6z)

312 So, with the Supremes being an 8some, they ought to seek to get the case taken directly to the Supremes. If the Supremes come up 4-4, then the case is decided by the lower courts ruling.

Or that's how it worked with the case against Unions being forced political speech brought by a teacher in CA. The lower court said it wasn't forced political speech, so that case was temporarily lost -- until another similar case comes up, of which there are several moving in the Supremes direction...

Posted by: Seipherd at May 12, 2016 08:19 PM (puxmh)

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