Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio: It's Kind of Important to Beat Hillary

I don't get how Ryan's or Rubio's limited support of Trump -- cast as "We must beat Hillary" -- somehow "nukes" their credibility.

I'm not especially happy with Candidate Trump, but that doesn't mean that Hillary has ceased being a deadly threat to the Republic.

Am I still concerned about Trump's impulsiveness? Yes.

Am I still concerned that he's not psychologically fit to be President? Yes.

Am I still worried about his thirst to use his power to squelch critics? Yes.

But Hillary Clinton is two of those things -- instead of being impulsive, she's a calculating, dogmatic liar in the service of Cultural Marxism Worldwide, Inc.

People acting as it's a blow to one's credibility to look at two distasteful outcomes, and yet decide that one outcome is less distasteful than the other, are being kind of frivolous and solipsistic here, I think.

I get it from Rubio fans, who I have long ago written off as flighty and strange-minded creatures who even at this late date are campaigning for some kind of 11th hour Rubio Surprise.

But Cruz fans aren't so preposterous.

It is what is is.

There is a difference between getting in a car with an impulsive drunk driver and being doused in gasoline and set aflame by a psychopathic arsonist. The first is no pleasure, but it's probably survivable. The latter is not.

I'll get into the car, personally.

That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing to drive drunk, or that my previous warnings about drunk driving were baseless or feigned.

It just means I don't want to be burned to death by Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Ace at 03:49 PM

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1 It's important to beat Hillary. But we are going to continually shit on the only human being alive who can beat her.

Stupid Party just graduated to Imbecilic Party.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 03:52 PM (IffJr)

2 Nearly everyone who's #nevertrump will get to the point where they want him to win. They might not vote for him. They might not offer any financial support. They might not spend any time defending them. But in their hearts they want Hillary to lose more than they want Trump to lose.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 03:52 PM (A6sW3)

3 Agreed. Cannot abide the thought of Hillary as POTUS.

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2016 03:52 PM (a0IVu)

4 After that last thread, I am in desperate need of a #SafeSpace kitteh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 03:53 PM (1ZOkK)

5 Correct.

Trump agnostic...if GOP Inc wanted a better candidate they should have beat Trump...he is no more odious than Juan Queeg...

Hillary! is a monster and has shown only more evil as she ages....

I'll take the idiot over the willfully evil person any day.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 03:53 PM (g8Hfr)

6 You assholes had your chance. Now I'll fundraise for my BFF Hilary.

Hail Uniparty!

(also Hydra why not)

Posted by: Jeb Bush at May 11, 2016 03:53 PM (u0s1P)

7 Welcome to the club. Here's a cup. Coolaid is on the table on the left.

You'll need a bunch. I could use another glass myself.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 11, 2016 03:54 PM (KUaJL)

8 So, is this the hill to fight and die on?

Posted by: dantesed at May 11, 2016 03:54 PM (88xKn)

9 Had Trump not come along, the winner wouldn't have been Cruz. It would have been Jeb or maybe Katshit.

So for the Cruzers out there.....get that shit through your heads. Trump didn't prevent Cruz from winning, Trump allowed Cruz to get more than the 8% he would have got otherwise.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 03:55 PM (IffJr)

10 I was listening to Fox on Sirius earlier, and I'll be damned if they didn't have F*ckabee on, running his mouth.

He was all but begging Trump to let him be his running mate.

Gah.

To the person in the last thread who said they were planning on voting for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, I will too.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 03:55 PM (1ZOkK)

11 I rather vote for SMOD.

Posted by: dantesed at May 11, 2016 03:56 PM (88xKn)

12 No matter what happens, I'll vote against the Democrat. Guaranteed.

Not QUITE sure yet what form that vote may take. Perhaps a write-in for good old reliable Bucket Of Dog Vomit.

Since the GOP race has been settled before reaching Commiefornia -- disenfranchised yet again, thanks Republicans -- I plan to vote for Bernie in the Democratic open primary as just one more increment of visible popular dissent against Clintonworld.

However, I understand via John Schindler that there's a white-haired candidate who is not Bernie, who is now being quietly pushed in some circles.

http://tinyurl.com/greeun7

Strange bedfellows, desperate times requiring desperate measures, and all that.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 11, 2016 03:56 PM (noWW6)

13 Ace,

Are you voting for Mr. Trump?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 03:56 PM (IffJr)

14 I really hope Trump makes a wise move with regards to his VP choice..

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2016 03:57 PM (a0IVu)

15 Horrible choices all around. I can understand people not wanting to vote for Trump. I don't blame them. However, when you are talking Republican party leadership and elected officials. I would expect them to support the candidate that won the primaries. They are more than happy to use the primaries as a cudgel when a GOPe candidate wins.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 11, 2016 03:57 PM (n2GmV)

16 It's a decent analogy. Many don't believe either choice is a terminal event and just want to avoid damage to their brand. Many of this site's readers believe the GOP damaged itself beyond repair to the brand. I don't agree with this, like the others who are scratching our heads about what next.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 03:57 PM (mrfTe)

17 Won't you hop into my car?

Posted by: I'm the friendly stranger in the black sedan at May 11, 2016 03:57 PM (aXKCe)

18 So if Trump self Identifies as Hillary, would Hillary supporters be required by law to vote for xzer?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 11, 2016 03:57 PM (ptqRm)

19 Correct.

Trump agnostic...if GOP Inc wanted a better candidate they should have beat Trump...he is no more odious than Juan Queeg...

Hillary! is a monster and has shown only more evil as she ages....

I'll take the idiot over the willfully evil person any day.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 03:53 PM (g8Hfr)

Hillary is basically Melisandre from the first episode without her necklace, and without the personality or good looks.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 11, 2016 03:57 PM (t06LC)

20 Thelma and Louise - the Democrats & Republicans - are driving the US off a fiscal cliff. The Dems want to go off the cliff at 110 MPH while smoking, drinking and singing. The Republicans want to go off the cliff at EXACTLY 65 MPH with our seatbelts fully fastened. And there will be no drinking, drugging or singing! My hope - and it is faint - is that Trump will jerk the wheel out of their hands. We'll see. Maybe he'll stomp on the brakes and give us a chance but the two current options look grim. Ryan is good on the budget and entitlement reform and Trump is good on the border so a combo of GOOD ideas might work. Of course, we'll get the combo of BAD ideas instead.

Posted by: Redneck John Galt at May 11, 2016 03:58 PM (oZh5x)

21 I at least see Trump as more dangerous to the republic. See PJ O'Rourke's comments for reference.

Not that I'm voting for Hillary. Here's hoping for lowest turnout evar! Make America Meh Again!

Posted by: DangerDad at May 11, 2016 03:58 PM (L/9Im)

22 And we move to the acceptance phase as the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Posted by: brak at May 11, 2016 03:59 PM (MJuTN)

23 I'm not especially happy with Candidate Trump, but that doesn't mean that Hillary has ceased being a deadly threat to the Republic.

I wasn't especially happy with having a colonoscope shoved up my ass in room with five spectators but it was better than cancer.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 03:59 PM (8ZskC)

24 Cheers.

Posted by: Making Budweiser Great at May 11, 2016 04:00 PM (aXKCe)

25 Ultimately, as hideous as the thought is, no matter what Trump is like he's better than Hillary. Even a third term of Obama is better than Hillary, as ghastly as that thought is. Even BILL Clinton is better than President Hillary.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:00 PM (39g3+)

26 dammit, Trump will not be the reason we get into WW 3. Let me put it this way: Trump will be no worse a president than Jeb or some of the others would have been, and he's light years better than Hillery.

I also suspect Trump will be more easily talked out of dumb ideas. Hillery is almost nothing but dumb ideas.

by the way, I hope Sanders keeps winning primaries. Hillery will go into the convention a seriously damages candidate.

Posted by: Satan of Teufelwurst Vt at May 11, 2016 04:01 PM (qSIlh)

27 How nice they noticed that the real dangerous authoritarian wasn't Donald Trump but the person who has actually abused governmental powers, Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM (hLRSq)

28
Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio pee a little when they laugh.

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM (55x9i)

29 Outstanding.
I think?

I think I agree 100% with what Ace is saying.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM (Ozsfq)

30
See PJ O'Rourke's comments for reference.

No, thanks.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM (k4M/B)

31 22 And we move to the acceptance phase as the enemy of my enemy is my friend
Posted by: brak at May 11, 2016 03:59 PM (MJuTN)

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Speaking of enemies of enemies.....how do the so-called conservative anti-Trump people reconcile the fact that MSNC, Slate, Kos, HuffPo et al are on the same side?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM (IffJr)

32
Also, Trump's base is on the conservative-ish side of the political spectrum, so he will *have* to placate them, at least to an extent.

Hillary's base is the left.

So even if Trump is a liberal (which he is), he is more likely to be controlled in a positive way than Hillary is.

This seems like another thing the #NeverTrump people aren't really considering.

Posted by: dan-O at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (02KBc)

33 So, who's driving?
I do not like trump, but would vote for Vladimir Putin over the canklebeast.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (QM5S2)

34 I also suspect Trump will be more easily talked out of dumb ideas. Hillery is almost nothing but dumb ideas.

Nope. Some of her ideas are dumb, but the vast majority are evil.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (8ZskC)

35 Beating Hillary.

We can help.

Posted by: Hillary Pinatas, Inc. at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (aXKCe)

36 I have no idea what President Trump would actually do. I *do* know what Hildabeast would do.

#NeverHillary

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (IQI2h)

37 The thing is, I totally understand if people are so repulsed by Trump, or just so disgusted with the entire system that they cannot bring themselves to vote for anyone from the two big parties. Its your vote, your conscience, and your decision. This is America: you do what you feel is right.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (39g3+)

38 The tiebreaker for me is the fact that if Trump is going to try something extra-constitutional, he's much more likely to get backlash from congress/the media.

Hillary (as evidenced by the last 8 years) won't.

So if my choices are between somebody who might try to destroy the republic (but will be opposed), and one who will try to destroy the republic (and might not be), Trump seems like the safer option.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (KUaJL)

39 Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio pee a little when they laugh.

Having a splayed penis isn't all fun and games.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (8ZskC)

40
Obligatory comment that I don't think Hillary is going to be the nominee.

We've got our sights trained on her while Joe Biden is sneaking through the bushes at the side of the range.

Posted by: iforgot at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (pC96u)

41 I never have understood why choosing "the lesser of two evils" gets such a bad rap.

I do that on a regular basis.

But the conservatives that now make the decision to try and put Hillary in the White House as some sort of "teachable moment" are acting on emotional issues regarding their ego.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (N2hss)

42 That scumbag Mrs. Lindsey should be run the fuck out of the party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (Ozsfq)

43 37 The thing is, I totally understand if people are so repulsed by Trump, or just so disgusted with the entire system that they cannot bring themselves to vote for anyone from the two big parties. Its your vote, your conscience, and your decision. This is America: you do what you feel is right.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (39g3+)

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Voting for 3rd party = voting for someone with 0% chance to win. Most people want to win. So they vote for one of two people with a greater than 0% chance to win.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (IffJr)

44 When contemplating politicians, remember ScoggDog's Golden Rule ...

... Keep expectations low, and you'll never be disappointed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (+RTFM)

45
"Trump 2016 - because we might survive his term!"

I've seen worse slogans.

Posted by: ArthurK at May 11, 2016 04:05 PM (h53OH)

46 1 It's important to beat Hillary. But we are going to continually shit on the only human being alive who can beat her.

Yeah. We should really lay off the Bernie bashing.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2016 04:05 PM (0mRoj)

47 Obligatory comment that I don't think Hillary is going to be the nominee.

We've got our sights trained on her while Joe Biden is sneaking through the bushes at the side of the range.
Posted by: iforgot at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (pC96u)

Maybe...but I guess we will have to cross that bridge when we get to it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:05 PM (Ozsfq)

48 It's like playing Russian Roulette, or just straight up getting shot in the head.
Lets spin it.

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 11, 2016 04:05 PM (QM5S2)

49 Speaking of enemies of enemies.....how do the so-called conservative
anti-Trump people reconcile the fact that MSNC, Slate, Kos, HuffPo et al
are on the same side?

I don't think that any of those organizations are exactly in favor of ISIS, either. Doesn't make ISIS any better because the left opposes it for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:05 PM (bZ7mE)

50 Hey everybody. Great news!: Alan Grayson continues to be a stark raving screaming asshole.

"Harry Reid to Rep. Alan Grayson: 'I want you to lose'"

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/
harry-reid-alan-grayson-fight-223081#ixzz48NNdreyi

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (ntObR)

51 It's important to beat Hillary. But we are going to continually shit on the only human being alive who can beat her.

Pro Tip: If you'r going to beat her, get the lamp out of her hand first.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (8ZskC)

52 re 40: I would almost pay to see Trump vs Biden in a debate. Trump would treat Biden like a jackass... hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump asked Biden "do you really eat library paste?"

Posted by: Satan of Teufelwurst Vt at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (qSIlh)

53 Yeah see I see it as the difference between being set on fire and being flogged to death.

If I have to choose I probably won't.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (tM4uk)

54 Its your vote, your conscience, and your decision. This is America: you do what you feel is right.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (39g3+)

yes it's a free Country- for the time being- but it is not fantasy land...and a vote for a futile 3rd party is helping that fat ass lying bitch into the White House. And that Jack is a fact

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (Ozsfq)

55
So, is this the hill to fight and die on?

Posted by: dantesed at May 11, 2016 03:54 PM (88xKn)
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Define "fight" and "die" in this case.

Fight = vote for Hillary/don't vote at all, and die = die?

Posted by: iforgot at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (pC96u)

56 The oddest folks are supporting Trump though - Piers Morgan, Azalea Banks, his ex-wives..lol

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2016 04:07 PM (a0IVu)

57 Liberal projection is evil!

Posted by: Shunned Amish Turd at May 11, 2016 04:07 PM (RQEfe)

58 49 Speaking of enemies of enemies.....how do the so-called conservative
anti-Trump people reconcile the fact that MSNC, Slate, Kos, HuffPo et al
are on the same side?

I don't think that any of those organizations are exactly in favor of ISIS, either. Doesn't make ISIS any better because the left opposes it for the wrong reasons.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:05 PM (bZ7mE)

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Do you actually watch MSNBC or read Kos? They view ISIS as a bunch of misguided youths who would see the light if only America wasn't so imperialistic or if the Joos would leave Palestine.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:07 PM (IffJr)

59 Voting 3rd party is a half vote for Hillary.

Of course someone can vote however they want, just don't try and pretend it serves any other purpose than giving yourself a pat on the back.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:07 PM (N2hss)

60 Of course someone can vote however they want, just don't try and pretend it serves any other purpose than giving yourself a pat on the back.
Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:07 PM (N2hss)

Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (Ozsfq)

61 Azalea Banks is psychologically unstable.

This week she likes Trump, next month she'll be calling him the devil.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (ntObR)

62 42
That scumbag Mrs. Lindsey should be run the fuck out of the party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (Ozsfq)

Hey, I did my best. My babies' momma didn't help, though.

Posted by: Thomas "T RAV" Ravenel at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (1ZOkK)

63 There is a difference between getting in a car with an impulsive drunk driver and being doused in gasoline and set aflame by a psychopathic arsonist. The first is no pleasure, but it's probably survivable. The latter is not.

I'll get into the car, personally.

That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing to drive drunk, or that my previous warnings about drunk driving were baseless or feigned.

It just means I don't want to be burned to death by Hillary Clinton.

I'm just going to redistribute this to me and use this awesome thing that I didn't think of first damn you damn you ace daaaammmmnnn yoooouuuu.

You know, I would like to vote for someone one and not against someone for President just once. That's all I want.

Just to vote for someone and not against someone.

And this lamp.

That's all I need, voting for someone, not against someone and this lamp.

And this remote.

That's all I need.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (mf5HN)

64 Ace, thank you for your comments. Trump was my fourth choice, but he's my first choice now. Hillary is evil and vindictive, and I think she'll be Obama, without the lazy.

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:09 PM (sdxPm)

65 If you vote 3rd party or don't vote at all, I don't want to hear any whining, bitching, or complaining from you for the next 8 years.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:09 PM (IffJr)

66
I can understand holding your nose while voting Trump in the General (hell, that's what I'm probably gonna do, now that my guy Cruz is out).

I can understand leaving the POTUS section of the ballot blank because Trump's an asshole.

Anyone who VOTES Hillary? You're dead to me. Scum. Lower than whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 11, 2016 04:09 PM (eDaPX)

67 I blame the media for our current parlous state of affairs.

First, they singularly failed to vet Obama, and thereby helped to saddle us with him.

Second, they also failed to really go after Hillary for any number of her offenses.

Third, they have failed to go after Sanders for being an unhinged Bolshevik.

Fourth, they brutalize any GOP candidate who threatens a Red electoral victory, and thereby put off decent men from wanting to run. (If you can demonize someone as fundamentally decent as Mitt Romney, you can demonize anyone.) That has led directly to Trump's becoming the nominee; he's the only one who has the carapace to withstand the MSM's assault.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 11, 2016 04:09 PM (oKE6c)

68 Ace having what Laura Ingram called a "Coming to Jesus moment"? 'Bout time...

Really, dude. Running for POTUS is pretty crazy, and the Donald knows how to put on a show, so don't let all of that stuff get you so paranoid. Just look at how nutty Cruz got in his last few days.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (jPHi7)

69
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump asked Biden "do you really eat library paste?"

Posted by: Satan of Teufelwurst Vt at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (qSIlh)

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Hee hee!

Posted by: iforgot at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (pC96u)

70 #BringBackOurSafeSpaceKitties

Posted by: bluebell at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (2WwbN)

71 That's all I need.
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (mf5HN)

And these lemon bars...

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (sdxPm)

72 There is a difference between getting in a car with an impulsive drunk driver and being doused in gasoline and set aflame by a psychopathic arsonist. The first is no pleasure, but it's probably survivable. The latter is not.

It's like said yesterday, the situation sucks for someone like me who doesn't like to gamble. If I put my money on the Hillary table, I know she's going to hit the coin flip or card draw in her favor every time. If I play at the Trump table (where the game is Simultaneous Three Card Monty, Craps, and Roulette) I have a slight chance of breaking even.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (uiwCw)

73 Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (mf5HN)

This. *sigh*

So damned tired of holding my nose Every.Single.Election. Lesser of two evils or whatever.

*waiting for Four Horses of the Apocalypse ticket*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (1ZOkK)

74 The only reason Hillary wants to be president is to clean up financially., She'll sell Texas off to Mexico if she can pocket a commission.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (8ZskC)

75 I can understand leaving the POTUS section of the ballot blank because Trump's an asshole.

Anyone who VOTES Hillary? You're dead to me. Scum. Lower than whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 11, 2016 04:09 PM (eDaPX)

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Voting 3rd party or not voting is a vote for Hillary. You can spin yourself like a top defending the choice, but at the end of the day either Trump or Hillary will win the presidency. And if you don't help Trump, you're implicitly helping Hillary.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:11 PM (IffJr)

76 Macca's magnificent wisdom claims another victim.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 11, 2016 04:11 PM (4ng05)

77 Do you actually watch MSNBC or read Kos? They view ISIS as a bunch of
misguided youths who would see the light if only America wasn't so
imperialistic or if the Joos would leave Palestine.

No, I don't bother with them as a general rule. In any case, assuming that your characterization is accurate, they still see ISIS as misguided, which means that they oppose it, so my point still stands.

Substitute another malevolent organization that no one likes- Nazis, the KKK, people who talk in theaters - if it helps.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:11 PM (bZ7mE)

78 For me,
Trump needs to do more to convince me that he'd actually be better than Hillary Clinton. Right now, I prefer the devil I know.

Posted by: taylork at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (/+d5K)

79 Why is it that bona fide Leftists have no problem understanding Trump would be devastating for their cause?

Can you find a single liberal outlet that wants Trump to win because he would better serve Progressive goals ideals over Hillary?

The liberals I know are like rabid, wild animals over Donald Trump.

That should tell you something.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (N2hss)

80 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (1ZOkK

I think I'm done with that. Having ceased to identify the continuation of civility and moral community with the maintenance of that imperium, etc. etc. whatnot.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (tM4uk)

81 Yes, Hillary really would destroy the country (what's left of it).

Just imagine how un-freakin-touchable she would feel if she escaped indictment AND is elected?

There's nothing she won't consider doing - and that should keep people up at night. Ending the 2nd Amendment with an Executive Order would be the opening shot, so that she could get to work doing all the things her lil' Marxist/Aliskyite heart has ever dreamed of doing before she has the next stroke and has to resign.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (NOIQH)

82 Trump needs to do more to convince me that he'd actually be better than Hillary Clinton. Right now, I prefer the devil I know.

Posted by: taylork at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (/+d5K)

Oh, cripes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (8ZskC)

83 >>If you vote 3rd party or don't vote at all, I don't want to hear any whining, bitching, or complaining from you for the next 8 years.

Funny as hell reading these passionate statements, many written by #neverRomney people.

Personally, I can't wait to hear the bitching and moaning from the pro-Trump camp when he stabs you in the back. And he will.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (/tuJf)

84 73 Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:08 PM (mf5HN)

This. *sigh*

So damned tired of holding my nose Every.Single.Election. Lesser of two evils or whatever.

*waiting for Four Horses of the Apocalypse ticket*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (1ZOkK)

Totally agree. I went Jindal, Walker, Cruz, Trump.
Apparently, kraken is out of sync. I also should never, ever, ever gamble....

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (sdxPm)

85 Warren is really getting into it with Trump on Twitter..I do like his 'our native american senator' dig ..hehehe. Is she angling to be Hillary's VP?

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (a0IVu)

86 Wait (and sorry if I missed it), didn't ace say he was going to vote for Hillary over Trump?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (Wckf4)

87 I don't know if Trump can be talked out of stupid crap, but I do know he'll face a lot more opposition from congress than Hilllary.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (39g3+)

88 The liberals I know are like rabid, wild animals over Donald Trump.

That should tell you something.
Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (N2hss)

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Exactly. If Trump were as liberal as the #nevertrump people claim he is, you'd think Rachel Maddow would be wearing a Trump 2016 shirt every night.

The left loathes Trump. And it's not because he's too liberal.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (IffJr)

89 79 Why is it that bona fide Leftists have no problem understanding Trump would be devastating for their cause?

Can you find a single liberal outlet that wants Trump to win because he would better serve Progressive goals ideals over Hillary?

The liberals I know are like rabid, wild animals over Donald Trump.

That should tell you something.
Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (N2hss)

I dunno. I know some self-identified conservatives who are exactly the same about Trump, making Hitler comparisons, seeing insufficient Trump hate as a sign of treason, and so on.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (0mRoj)

90 "I get it from Rubio fans, who I have long ago written off as flighty and
strange-minded creatures...."

While I am laughing and agree, please don't hold it against some poor Rubio fan if he takes this as a personal insult and responds with same.

Heh... still laughing.

Posted by: Robert at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (FiX88)

91 Kitteh for Jane:

http://bit.ly/1T5H0MX

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (mf5HN)

92 The mental image of the Beast with a gas can cackling over a body is horrifying.

Thanks, I was ok with splayed penises and tranny butsecks, but now even I need a blankie and a timeout.

Posted by: IP at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (aQQbl)

93 78 For me,
Trump needs to do more to convince me that he'd actually be better than Hillary Clinton. Right now, I prefer the devil I know.
Posted by: taylork at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (/+d5K)

You have the Devil part right...

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (sdxPm)

94
Wait (and sorry if I missed it), didn't ace say he was going to vote for Hillary over Trump?

Ace was suffering from low blood sugar at the time. He's better now.

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (55x9i)

95 It's time to pull together and support the presumptive Republican Nominee against the enemy. You don't have to say his name, You don't have to give him money, You don't have to put a banner on your lawn, You don't have to say anything other than "I support the Republican Nominee".

But it is past the time to attack that Nominee. You hear that you fuck Lindsey and your asshole Ryan. Not to mention a bush or 2

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (Ozsfq)

96 Now Lizzy ... That's not fair. Stop teasing.

If I KNEW Hillary would attempt an EO to nullify the 2A, I'd vote for her twice. Just to get this party started.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 11, 2016 04:15 PM (+RTFM)

97 Ending the 2nd Amendment with an Executive Order would be the opening shot, so that she could get to work doing all the things her lil' Marxist/Aliskyite heart has ever dreamed of doing before she has the next stroke and has to resign.

The stroke WOULD make for great drama, Stalinesque style, as all of her minions stand around refusing to call for medical help because they think they were slated for the next purge.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:15 PM (8ZskC)

98 The liberals I know are like rabid, wild animals over Donald Trump.

That should tell you something.

They believe their own propaganda?

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:15 PM (bZ7mE)

99 The Republican Party ceased being a coalition long ago. It's become The Fratricide Club for the Deluded.

All of a sudden Ryan's hiding behind the mantra of Republican Principles. Help me- what exactly are they and how have we materially supported them? Is that the latter years of the Bush presidency where we spent like drunks in a whorehouse?

Crickets.

Someone's always sitting it out because they don't like candidate "X". Now we have "conservatives" who are really actively campaigning for The Hag.

Yeah, that will bring people to your side :-/. In my thinking they are worse than Democrats, because they are deliberately perfidious.

Trump is a symptom of the hate for Washington, and he just might win it all. Then what for all the Crying Clowns of Mischief?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (O0lVq)

100 "Ryan is good on the budget and entitlement reform and Trump is good on the border"

The unfortunate reality is that the border is central to budget and entitlement reform, yet Ryan wears a blindfold on that matter and refuses to remove it. And it's not only Ryan by a long shot. That refusal is endemic at all levels of society.

A parent at an event I attended was squeaking and beeping and wringing her hands over there being a $200K budget shortfall at her daughter's elementary school. She was listing the various things like field trips and art projects which are having to be curtailed.

I said, um, do you realize that if there were fourteen fewer illegal-alien children enrolled, that right there would completely erase the financial gap? She was GOBSMACKED. No one had ever put the figures in that sort of a context for her. Nor made clear to her just how huge the costs of the illegals are.

Now she's got a whole new handwringing thing going on, because in her liberal coastal yuppie social circles, "acceptance" of immigrants is a class marker and virtue signal, and if she brings up the cost issue, she'll be ostracized as a racist bitch.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (noWW6)

101 Voting 3rd party or not voting is a vote for Hillary.

its more a mindset thing. Anyone who could deliberately and intentionally attempt to assist Hillary gain office is someone unworthy of your company or esteem. She's the next and perhaps final step toward tyranny in this country.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (39g3+)

102 Ace, does this mean that you plan to vote for Trump as the lesser of two evils and because the greater of the two must be stopped?

Posted by: Sco at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (YRf8U)

103 91
Kitteh for Jane:

http://bit.ly/1T5H0MX

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (mf5HN)

Thank you! And it's a ginger. Now I feel #Safer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (1ZOkK)

104 don't know if Trump can be talked out of stupid crap, but I do know he'll face a lot more opposition from congress than Hilllary.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 04:14 PM (39g3+)

Says a lot about Congress, doesn't it?

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (sdxPm)

105 It's shocking how bad this shows Hillary to be as a candidate. The last two elections, we tried to show Obama as an empty suit liberal vs an experienced, moderate Republican and got crushed. Now we have an officially experienced super awesome female candidate vs an unhinged loon, and the race is rapidly closing. Hell, all the momentum is on Trump's side right now.

Posted by: Grimaldi at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (UvqRd)

106
The only reason Hillary wants to be president is to clean up financially., She'll sell Texas off to Mexico if she can pocket a commission.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:10 PM (8ZskC)

Gonna have to disagree with you there. Cankles' primary motivation is hatred. Hatred of everyone that said mean things about her. Hatred of men. Hatred of conservatives. Hatred of religious folks. Hatred of people who actually produce useful products freely traded in the marketplace. Hatred of anyone who wears a uniform when they go to work.

Hatred of anyone not named Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (eDaPX)

107 The case against that lying bitch:

2nd Amendment
3-4 Supreme Court Openings
The Military

And that's just for openers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (Ozsfq)

108 Personally, I can't wait to hear the bitching and moaning from the pro-Trump camp when he stabs you in the back. And he will.
Posted by: JackStraw

And Hillary "stabs" you in the face every single day for the next 4-8 years.

Is there a single issue Hillary is good on?

Trump is not a doctrinaire conservative, no argument there, but he does at least have a broadly center-right agenda.

The Left seems to have no trouble understanding that.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (N2hss)

109 I call BS on the entire meme that because Donald Trump appears to be coasting to the Republican nomination, that all Republicans must "kiss his ring."

Paul Ryan is a duly elected officer of the United States, while Trump is a guy who, at best, has the Republican nomination wrapped up. He hasn't been elected President quite yet.

Mr Obama's "I won" was the beginning of his problems. Mr Trumps seems
to be serving up his "I won" even before getting the nomination.

And God knows, Obama didn't get ObamaCare without lots of cajoling of Democrats .. same for Bush. Mr Trump will have a rough road ahead if he doesn't learn to better get alone with others.

Posted by: unlawful attorney at May 11, 2016 04:17 PM (e8kgV)

110 Like I've always done for what seems my whole life I will hold my nose and vote Republican.

Posted by: Bosk at May 11, 2016 04:17 PM (n2K+4)

111 53 Yeah see I see it as the difference between being set on fire and being flogged to death.

If I have to choose I probably won't.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (tM4uk)

+1

And no, I'm not buying the vote for Trump or you're really voting for Hillary bullshit. Trump does not own my vote and he doesn't deserve it simply because he has an R after his name at the moment. You earn it or you don't. He has not earned my vote and so will not get it. I may vote Libertarian or I may write in Zombie Fred Thompson.

Besides, he said he doesn't need the conservative vote. If that's the case then Trump backers don't really have anythingn to worry about my write in, do they?

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 11, 2016 04:17 PM (KkVB6)

112 Trumps going to pick Tom Cotton as his veep.

Remember where you heard that.

Also Trump is going to win in a landslide and is going to be a damn better President than Bush the lesser was, which is a pretty low fucking bar.

Hillary can never be allowed to be President so all of you "principled" fuckers take a little time to get the hurt out of your system and then fall the fuck in line.

Just lay back and think of Hayek or whatever's gonna get you through it and pull that lever.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 11, 2016 04:17 PM (KwtEE)

113 Ace, I was opining yesterday that this outsider thing may be a global trend. Look at who just won the presidential election in the Philippines.

Instead of Arab spring this may be the Outsider Summer.

Posted by: @votermom at May 11, 2016 04:18 PM (7lVbc)

114 Getting a little creaky in here again.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2016 04:18 PM (LA7Cm)

115 Dang, Ace! Ditto!

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 11, 2016 04:18 PM (teYv/)

116 Honestly, I get a chubby just thinking about voting for Trump. Not for all my expectations of the wonderful things he's going to do. For all the people who will be rending garments, jumping off bridges and stroking out.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:18 PM (O0lVq)

117
Not related at all: 8 hours of Star Trek Enterprise D bridge background sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBvaOLDem0

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:18 PM (55x9i)

118 I call BS on the entire meme that because Donald Trump appears to be coasting to the Republican nomination, that all Republicans must "kiss his ring."

Paul Ryan is a duly elected officer of the United States, while Trump is a guy who, at best, has the Republican nomination wrapped up. He hasn't been elected President quite yet.

Mr Obama's "I won" was the beginning of his problems. Mr Trumps seems
to be serving up his "I won" even before getting the nomination.

And God knows, Obama didn't get ObamaCare without lots of cajoling of Democrats .. same for Bush. Mr Trump will have a rough road ahead if he doesn't learn to better get alone with others.
Posted by: unlawful attorney at May 11, 2016 04:17 PM (e8kgV)

You really just don't get it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:18 PM (Ozsfq)

119 Yeah I voted for Trump yesterday. It was pretty much decided after Indiana. I'll vote for him in the general too because Hillary simply isn't an option whatsoever and never was. And frankly after voting for Mitt "Obamacare" Romney, voting for Donald was a lot easier.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 11, 2016 04:19 PM (4ErVI)

120 31
Speaking of enemies of enemies.....how do the so-called conservative anti-Trump people reconcile the fact that MSNC, Slate, Kos, HuffPo et al are on the same side?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM ---------------------------
The same way you reconcile being on the same side as David Duke and Mike Tyson....and Sanders, MSNBC, Kos, HuffPo. (Trump has, after all, made many statements and advocated positions straight out the leftist playbook.)

Of all the stupid "arguments" to get conservatives on your side, that has got to be the stupidest.
And yet you keep making it over and over again.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 04:19 PM (T/5A0)

121 I'd vote for Trump but I don't want Rosie O'Donnell to leave.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:19 PM (8ZskC)

122 Honestly, I get a chubby just thinking about voting for Trump. Not for all my expectations of the wonderful things he's going to do. For all the people who will be rending garments, jumping off bridges and stroking out.
Posted by: Marcus T

I'm with you on that.

If it wasn't for spite, I'd have nothing to live for.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:20 PM (N2hss)

123 Is there a single issue Hillary is good on?

Blowjobs from interns are no longer cheating?

Posted by: wooga at May 11, 2016 04:20 PM (n5VsB)

124 If it wasn't for spite, I'd have nothing to live for.
Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:20 PM (N2hss)

You sound like my double

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:20 PM (Ozsfq)

125
I saw Donald Trump wearing blue jeans at Trader Vic's. And his hair was imperfect.

Posted by: George Will at May 11, 2016 04:20 PM (k4M/B)

126 Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio: It's Kind of Important to Beat Hillary

If I made Hillary a part of my harem, would Qu'ranic law permit me to beat her? Payback can be a bitch.

Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 11, 2016 04:20 PM (YINfZ)

127 Well, the pro-Trump crowd really knows how to sell their guy to the rest of us.

Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

That's it! I'm sold!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (1ZOkK)

128 My sediments exactly

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (3wHFl)

129 Hillary would have been better than Obama. Trump will be better than Hillary.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (evdj2)

130 "I'd vote for Trump but I don't want Rosie O'Donnell to leave."

Wut?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (LA7Cm)

131 Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio: It's Kind of Important to Beat Hillary

Rubio for all his faults, did say he will support the Republican Nominee

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (Ozsfq)

132 >>Trump is not a doctrinaire conservative, no argument there, but he does at least have a broadly center-right agenda.

How do you know? He changes his positions constantly. A day after he came out against North Carolina for trying to keep some sanity about the bathroom issue, he flopped to the position of "it should be decided with local input" which means nothing.

Trump has a few conservative positions and some that are indistinguishable from Hillary's like no touching of entitlements. That alone assures that nothing will be done about our massive and growing debt. Super.

Trump might be marginally better than Hillary. Might. But he would still suck.

>>The Left seems to have no trouble understanding that.

Mostly because they are largely ignorant and do what they are told. I like to make up my own mind.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (/tuJf)

133 The same people telling you that staying home is a vote for Hillary are the ones who also claim that a candidate has to earn their vote. And if the candidate cannot earn that vote, it's on the candidate.

Also,

"48 It's like playing Russian Roulette, or just straight up getting shot in the head."

This is also a good analogy.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (mrfTe)

134 To me, the metaphor of the choice between a Hillary presidency and a Trump presidency is more like choosing between terminal cancer and terminal syphilis. They'll both kill you, but they take different freeways to get you there.

They'll be selling lift tickets in Hell before I vote for the Dowager Empress of Chappaqua. I'll confess to having been Trump-curious for about a week, early in the primary, but there are few scenarios in which I'd be willing to vote for him in the general. Maybe if he commits to three or four really good SCOTUS picks, or picks an excellent running mate.

I reject anyone's bitchy complaint that voting third-party, or not voting, is a vote for Hillary. First off, a vote for Hillary is a vote for Hillary. Second, I'm immune to people telling me I have to vote for party over principle; the only reason I changed my registration to GOP two weeks ago was to be able to vote for Cruz in the primary, so it's only temporarily my party again anyway. If the GOP wants my vote, all they have to do is stop pissing on me all the time. That ain't asking much.

Posted by: Qoheleth at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (iIzG7)

135 Obama set the gold standard for lazying your way into tyranny.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (evdj2)

136 By all means vote for an asshole rather than your conscience. Ride the Whig party to oblivion.

Obviously you one issue idiots can't see the forest for the Wall otherwise you would vote Libertarian now that they are set to nominate the only experienced, grown up candidate Governor Gary Johnson.

Posted by: whatmeworry? at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM (dZGNV)

137 What I love about voting for Trump is hearing the tears and lamentations in DC.
Truly it is the best in life.

Posted by: @votermom at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM (7lVbc)

138 83 >>If you vote 3rd party or don't vote at all, I don't want to hear any whining, bitching, or complaining from you for the next 8 years.

Funny as hell reading these passionate statements, many written by #neverRomney people.

Personally, I can't wait to hear the bitching and moaning from the pro-Trump camp when he stabs you in the back. And he will.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (/tuJf)

Oh yes, I know quite a few people who I will literally point and laugh at when he does a 180 on their pet issues.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM (KkVB6)

139 Well, the pro-Trump crowd really knows how to sell their guy to the rest of us.

Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

That's it! I'm sold!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (1ZOkK)

????

Who is saying that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM (Ozsfq)

140 tom cotton is a great choice for vp.

Posted by: runner at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM (c6/9Q)

141 >>Speaking of enemies of enemies.....how do the so-called conservative
anti-Trump people reconcile the fact that MSNC, Slate, Kos, HuffPo et al
are on the same side?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:02 PM<<

Because they are deluding themselves into believing that instead of helping to elect The Hag, they are standing on their fraudulent accoutrement they've given the pet name "principle".

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (O0lVq)

142 I can understand leaving the POTUS section of the ballot blank because Trump's an asshole.

Anyone who VOTES Hillary? You're dead to me. Scum. Lower than whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 11, 2016 04:09 PM (eDaPX)

I wrote the other day that so far I'm not planning to vote for Trump but that if I voted for Hillary my soul would spontaneously combust. I'm not saying never, but Trump isn't exactly doing anything to attract me more to him right now. But there's no way on God's green earth or in hell that I would ever vote for The Witch of Benghazi.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (Y4WlI)

143 Eh, not gonna vote for Trump. He's a con man. I'm not a Republican any more so Party Unity means nothing.

I can't vote for Hillary either, and she'd be a seriously unhinged , beat-the-rap Hillary. No illusions there.

So it's third party or no vote for prez, and hopelessly doomed WI Repubs down-ticket. And then probably no politics, for a few years at least.

Posted by: SparcVark at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (nKOXj)

144 All of a sudden Ryan's hiding behind the mantra of Republican Principles

Wait.. I have some? Holy crap; I must have caught something from those hookers.

Posted by: GOPe at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (326rv)

145 I may write in Zombie Fred Thompson.

I like his reverse mortgage solution to paying the national debt.

Posted by: wooga at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (n5VsB)

146 Lesser of two evils:
http://tinyurl.com/hlwtuyr

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (IQI2h)

147
"Harry Reid to Rep. Alan Grayson: 'I want you to lose'"

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/
harry-reid-alan-grayson-fight-223081#ixzz48NNdreyi

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 11, 2016 04:06 PM (ntObR)

Pro Tip: If Harry Reid thinks you are an asshole, you are Lord God King BuFu Asshole.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (hLRSq)

148 Who is saying that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM (Ozsfq)

#112

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (1ZOkK)

149 My feeling is that I don't want Trump as president, and that his campaign may very well marginalize the GOP and Conservatism to the point of no return, but that's just a feeling. I know that Hillary is an enemy of our country, and an immediate threat, so she has to go down first. Then I'll worry about Donald and all his flaws. I still sincerely doubt that Trump can win the General, clown-shows lose their luster once the Carny takes his make-up off, but I'm willing to help him try.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (2cS/G)

150 If Hillary wins, America as we (hope to) know it will cease to exist. The no-information voters and the SJW's will put us on a path of self-destruction that cannot be undone. Too many "Americans" have been indoctrinated, appeased and kept as slaves to the government. True liberty and freedom is already gone. We just haven't accepted our circumstances yet.

So I will vote for Trump and support conservative candidates down ticket and pray for a miracle. Or I'll just have some fried chicken and beer and binge watch Criminal Minds on Netflix.

Posted by: Queen Elizabeth II at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (qX6Q9)

151 Mr Trump will have a rough road ahead if he doesn't learn to better get alone with others.
Posted by: unlawful attorney at May 11, 2016 04:17 PM (e8kgV)

How many times do I have to say this, 2016 isn't happening ex nihilo.

I seem to recall an enormous amount of sneering condescension about how Romney won fair and square and it was time to fall in line and support him and you are an idiotic child if you think otherwise.

See also McCain.

See also Dole.

So, you know, you'll forgive me if my response to comments such as this, particularly the Paul Ryan encomium, is a combination of yawning, contempt and hysterical laughter.

Also ORCA.

*micdrop*

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (mf5HN)

152 Exactly. If Trump were as liberal as the #nevertrump people claim he is, you'd think Rachel Maddow would be wearing a Trump 2016 shirt every night.

The left loathes Trump. And it's not because he's too liberal.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

---------

The left loathes Trump because they're very, very stupid.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (aFa2V)

153 1. Eh, not gonna vote for Trump. He's a con man. I'm not a Republican any more so Party Unity means nothing.

2. I can't vote for Hillary either, and she'd be a seriously unhinged , beat-the-rap Hillary. No illusions there.

3. PROFIT!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (8ZskC)

154 Mostly because they are largely ignorant and do what they are told. I like to make up my own mind.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (/tuJf)

As do I. I've made up my mind that Trump would be a better President than Clinton. I did this, on my own.

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (sdxPm)

155
vote Libertarian now that they are set to nominate the only experienced, grown up candidate Governor Gary Johnson.
Posted by: whatmeworry?

Open borders Johnson or Gabby Johnson?

Posted by: George Will at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (k4M/B)

156 "Look at who just won the presidential election in the Philippines. Instead of Arab spring this may be the Outsider Summer."

And look also at the Brazilian establishment-insider political structure tottering.

Hopefully this trend will also include the ejection of Angela Merkel.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (noWW6)

157 There is a difference between getting in a car with an impulsive drunk driver and being doused in gasoline and set aflame by a psychopathic arsonist. The first is no pleasure, but it's probably survivable. The latter is not.

I saw Psychopathic Arsonist open for Insane Cankled Pussy at the Palladium in '92.

Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (YINfZ)

158
#112

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:23 PM (1ZOkK)

Sigh

Yeah not exactly how I would phrase it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (Ozsfq)

159 Well, the pro-Trump crowd really knows how to sell their guy to the rest of us.

Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

That's it! I'm sold!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (1ZOkK)

Didn't you hair? He's the new Teh Won! Now get your kids in those uniforms so we can have them marching around chanting "Donnaallld's Haairr! Donnaallld's Haairr!"

Posted by: Country Singer at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (uiwCw)

160 Just read Trump now has 1,138 delegates.

George Lucas better not find that out...

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (ntObR)

161 155
vote Libertarian now that they are set to nominate the only experienced, grown up candidate Governor Gary Johnson.
Posted by: whatmeworry?

Open borders Johnson or Gabby Johnson?
Posted by: George Will at May 11, 2016 04:24 PM (k4M/B)

At least the mountain gibberish would be authentic.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (0mRoj)

162 Trump is not a doctrinaire conservative, no argument there, but he does at least have a broadly center-right agenda.

How do you know? He changes his positions constantly.

Posted by: JackStraw

How is the logic on this difficult?

Do you think there's ANY chance Hillary does a 180 and starts governing like a principled conservative?

So why would you do anything that helps put her in office?

if your worst fear is electing a liberal, why do you want to aid Hillary's election?

Most of the apostasy of Trump is stupid window dressing like "maybe I'll look at raising the minimum wage"

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (N2hss)

163
Who is saying that?

Kreplach at 112:
"Hillary can never be allowed to be President so all of you "principled"
fuckers take a little time to get the hurt out of your system and then
fall the fuck in line.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:25 PM (bZ7mE)

164 Think about how twice a majority of this country voted for a relatively unaccomplished man who has dismantled our country, ruined us financially, obfuscated the law, ignored the Constitution and thrown us into historic division. Then tell me again how Trump won't get elected.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (O0lVq)

165
George Lucas is dead?

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (55x9i)

166 Gonna have to disagree with you there. Cankles' primary motivation is hatred. Hatred of everyone that said mean things about her. Hatred of men. Hatred of conservatives. Hatred of religious folks. Hatred of people who actually produce useful products freely traded in the marketplace. Hatred of anyone who wears a uniform when they go to work.

Hatred of anyone not named Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 11, 2016 04:16 PM (eDaPX)

I will add:

Hatred of the truth. Hatred of any woman unfortunate enough to come to BJ's notice. Hatred of decency. Hatred of hard work--just sitting on plane staring at a Blackberry is not work. Hatred of whatever the person handing her the big check hates. Hatred of the rule of law. ETC. ETC.

Hillary is the worst sort of filth. It was awful to watch Bobo be inaugurated twice, but, at least the first time, America had no real proof as to how bad he would be. With Hillary WE KNOW JUST HOW REPELLENT A CRIMINAL SHE IS.

#neverhillaryevenifthatmeansPresidentTheDonald

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (kXoT0)

167 Didn't you hair? He's the new Teh Won! Now get your kids in those uniforms so we can have them marching around chanting "Donnaallld's Haairr! Donnaallld's Haairr!"

Um, I don't think that's the dominant sentiment on this blog.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (8ZskC)

168 The Principles of Donald Trump:
1) Don't you DARE disrespect me, or rip me off.
2) If you come after ME, you can bet your life I'm coming after YOU, only MUCH harder.

Applied to the US, #1 explains his stance on illegal aliens (disrespecting AND ripping off) trade (mostly ripping off) and NATO (ripping off - by not paying their fair share). #2 means the party's over for our adversaries abroad.

These are not what get Conservatives excited, and "Conservative values" have become so polluted that they're not 100% CONSISTENT with them, although they should be. (In that way, Trump is actually MORE Conservative than modern Conservatives.)

But it IS what's necessary to repair the damage caused by Obama's foreign policy, and so-called Conservative "open borders" (which turned CA Democrat/socialist, and maybe TX is next, so maybe he can save Republicans from themselves).

As to "electability", if you haven't figured out that Trump has Magical Powers, you just haven't been paying attention. (Or maybe you've already explained that as the obvious result of some "deal with Satan"?) For a good laugh, go back and dig up some old conspiracy theories about how Trump wasn't really serious in his run, or that he's "Working for Hillary".

Posted by: Optimizer at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (jPHi7)

169 We've got our sights trained on her while Joe Biden is sneaking through the bushes at the side of the range.

Posted by: iforgot at May 11, 2016 04:04 PM (pC96u)

I'm visualizing a Trump-Biden debate. Jesus, what a cavalcade of stupid that would be.

Arggggghhh!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (u0lmX)

170 I've said before that Trump may be a trainwreck full of orphans and puppies, but Clinton is a trainwreck full of toxic chemicals. The former is a tragedy, the latter a disaster for a generation.

By the way, if Hillary wins, what are the odds that the Republican nominee in 2020 has their campaign funds seized by the IRS, and their key advisers and family members investigated by the FBI right before the election?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (fC9RO)

171 >> Cankles' primary motivation is hatred.

THIS

She thinks people (i.e. everyone but her and her cronies) are STUPID, and what they really need is Hillary in charge to make their lives more ordered (*not* better, just less messy and stupid and annoying).

I recall that early in her Senate career she had this genius idea of a federal government 800# that citizens could call to find out the number for this or that service. Because apparently people are too stupid to dial 411, open a phone book and/or look it up on the internet. Made me realize she thinks there's nothing that Hillary doesn't want the government to do fo the unwashed masses. For their own good, of course (but not really, but they're just too stupid to see that).

Posted by: Lizzy at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (NOIQH)

172 Cliff Claven is endorsing Trump

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:27 PM (Ozsfq)

173 ***"Voting 3rd party or not voting is a vote for Hillary. "***

This juvenile, passive-aggressive guilt tripping doesn't belong in adult conversation.

In the English-speaking world, "voting 3rd party or not voting" means voting 3rd party or not voting. Voting for Hillary is represented by the words "voting for Hillary".

If you keep voting R and expecting conservative results, despite 16 years of evidence to the contrary, then you don't understand incentives.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 11, 2016 04:27 PM (Wckf4)

174 >>As do I. I've made up my mind that Trump would be a better President than Clinton. I did this, on my own.

Atta boy.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:27 PM (/tuJf)

175 That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing to drive drunk, or that my previous warnings about drunk driving were baseless or feigned.

LOL; I hope that i get to meet you some day, Ace. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2016 04:27 PM (w4NZ8)

176 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Hillary Clinton praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the Court, that the Second Amendment only protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms when actively serving in an official state militia...

Posted by: Satan of Teufelwurst Vt at May 11, 2016 04:27 PM (qSIlh)

177 Think about how twice a majority of this country voted for a relatively unaccomplished man who has dismantled our country, ruined us financially, obfuscated the law, ignored the Constitution and thrown us into historic division. Then tell me again how Trump won't get elected.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (O0lVq)

Trump will not have vote fraud at his disposal. All those precincts that counted more votes for Obama than there were registered voters in both parties are not going to be doing that for him.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (kXoT0)

178 Heh, there's the "But, but, but...SCOTUS PICKS!" argument.

Drink!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (Wckf4)

179 Atta boy.

hey I didn't get an "Atta Boy" from that guy!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (Ozsfq)

180 "Hatred of the truth."

I don't know if there are two other people on the planet as allergic to truth as Bill & Hillary Clinton. It's like Holy Water to a vampire with them.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (LA7Cm)

181 I'm visualizing a Trump-Biden debate. Jesus, what a cavalcade of stupid that would be.

Arggggghhh!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (u0lmX)

I will repeat my oft stated view of a Trump Biden debate:

Someone will be called a lying motherfucker.

Punches will be thrown.

Hair plugs EVERYWHERE.

*ponders*

That's still better than any half a millisecond I see Hillary.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (mf5HN)

182 167 Didn't you hair? He's the new Teh Won! Now get your kids in those uniforms so we can have them marching around chanting "Donnaallld's Haairr! Donnaallld's Haairr!"

Um, I don't think that's the dominant sentiment on this blog.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (8ZskC)

Agree. Far from it. Trump is a calculated risk. Hillary... no calculation to it. She has works, in government, she can be judged by.

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (sdxPm)

183 I'm still on team SMOD.

Posted by: lauren at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (b9atC)

184 Don't Let A Penis Come Between Us!

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (mcm0N)

185 127 Well, the pro-Trump crowd really knows how to sell their guy to the rest of us.

Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

That's it! I'm sold!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (1ZOkK)

Exactly.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (OR5cC)

186 Um, I don't think that's the dominant sentiment on this blog.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (8ZskC)

I didn't say that it was. But it is the sentiment of most (not all) Trump supporters.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (uiwCw)

187 @164 "Think about how twice a majority of this country voted for a relatively unaccomplished man who has dismantled our country, ruined us financially, obfuscated the law, ignored the Constitution and thrown us into historic division. Then tell me again how Trump won't get elected."

Well, that IS a downer. The voters DO seem to have a problem with electing someone with actual Real World accomplishments...

Posted by: Optimizer at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (jPHi7)

188 I'm still on team SMOD.

Posted by: lauren at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (b9atC)

Oh he/she is always my first choice

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (Ozsfq)

189 "2 Nearly everyone who's #nevertrump will get to the point where they want him to win. They might not vote for him. They might not offer any financial support. They might not spend any time defending them. But in their hearts they want Hillary to lose more than they want Trump to lose.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 03:52 PM (A6sW3)"

This is why I just think they need to get out of the way. No third party push, you don't have to vote for him, go all out for the down ticket races, just don't get in the way. The Bernie voters coming over are real, this seems like a bigger deal than the PUMA thing from 8 years ago. I think if #neverTrump agrees to just step aside, we can manage our defections better than Hillary will be able too. What's the polling 85% will get behind Trump now? I don't think we'll need much more than that. We'll pull 20% of democrats I think we're already looking at 15%.

I saw some piece over at Redstate going on about how shameful it was we have these democrats helping to elect a Republican. I'm too young to have voted for Regan, but I've been hearing about these Reagan Democrat unicorns for years. Let's go get them.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (n/ogz)

190 Hair plugs EVERYWHERE.

*cough* hair plugs and a rabid weasel *cough*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:29 PM (1ZOkK)

191 George Lucas is dead?
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (55x9i)

The taunting, always with the taunting. . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (mf5HN)

192 Will Rogers:

When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (w4NZ8)

193 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Hillary Clinton praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the Court, that the Second Amendment only protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms when actively serving in an official state militia...
Posted by: Satan of Teufelwurst Vt

_____________

Exactly.

But it's worth having that headline become a reality because Trump is low class. Or something.

The dimmest view of Trump is he is a transactional conservative. He'll see the Southern states that put him in office and will back the 2nd Amendment and gun owners over the coastal blue states that rejected him.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (N2hss)

194 I'll drive you anywhere in my car.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (VndSC)

195 When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (w4NZ

OK that's pretty funny

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (Ozsfq)

196 I'm on Team SMOD, Team Yellowstone Caldera, Team Madrid Fault, Team San Andreas Fault, Team Mt. Ranier, Team....gah...can't think...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:31 PM (1ZOkK)

197 What you guys are doing, convincing yourselves--without a lick of proof--that Hillary is worse by definition just plays into Trump's hand. You're saying you'll fall in line no matter what he promises to Sanders' loonies.

You're not pushing him to learn conservatism or even give lip service, you're anointing a pig in a poke because you saw the pig on the TV. And what did you get in return for this?

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 04:31 PM (mrfTe)

198 The thing is, I want to beat Hillary, but I like to argue from principle, and there's no way I can effectively argue FOR Trump on principle. So it's going to be a long, wretched, dread-filled 6 months.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 11, 2016 04:32 PM (2cS/G)

199
A building in China that looks like the USS Enterprise? Why was I not told of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4QWkgTyn1Q

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:32 PM (55x9i)

200 Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

That's it! I'm sold!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:21 PM (1ZOkK)

Jane, I love you, I truly do, but, the anti-Trump folks have been just as nasty just as often. I left this site for a while because the rhetoric from both groups was vile.

I think it's time for both sides to stop it and be civil. If you do not want to vote for Trump, that is your business. If you do want to vote for Trump, that is also your business.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:32 PM (kXoT0)

201 >>Think about how twice a majority of this country voted for a relatively unaccomplished man....

I think it was once, because of Bush fatigue and the opportunity to feel good (first black president).

Pretty sure the 2012 election was stolen, via numerous tricks, including blunting the effectiveness of conservative group, and most importantly: True the Vote's quest to cleanup voter rolls.

For Trump to win he'll have to overcome the margin of fraud AND the new masses of illegal immigrants Obama has gotten in ver the last few years.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 11, 2016 04:32 PM (NOIQH)

202 >>Most of the apostasy of Trump is stupid window dressing like "maybe I'll look at raising the minimum wage"

And yet I just said he has claimed that entitlements, THE issue that is driving us to financial ruin, are off the table. In fact, Trump is now claiming it's impossible for the US to go broke because "we can just print more money". Isn't this the story of Obama?

My biggest feat isn't electing a liberal. My biggest fear is that if we don't get some adult leadership in DC soon we will pass the point of no return and there isn't an EU or any other organization to bail us out.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

203 Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

I am amazed that you can say that after 4 solid months of Fck Trump AND his supporters and "neverTrump, you a55holes" from ace and various cobs .

Stunned.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (MY6Mq)

204 After my early choices flamed out, I became a Trumpster because with his Mad Media Skilzz I thought he could actually win. Once in office I expect to him to be a Rudy Giuliani-like pragmatist, which is what we need right now. Please note that some of the positions he's taken give Trump a smaller target area to be hit with in the general, e.g. not being opposed to a small increase in the minimum wage. e.g., not defunding the good part of PP. I think this was on purpose.

He's put out a strong statement of what he'll do in his first 100 days, which includes naming a Scalia successor in the mold of Scalia. There's a lot he can do without Congress without going extra-Constitutional including by simply undoing what Obama has done without Congress.

One of Trump's great opportunities is to reform the budget process, including by declaring that he'll veto any spending bill that isn't broken down small enough to manage like you would a diversified business. I can picture Newt Gingrich being the running back on this hitting the line over and over. There's a lot of savings that can be had, and maybe more importantly, a way to end the stealth funding for so many of the pernicious things that have been growing out of DC.

Let's see what Ryan is up to. I expected Trump was going to get in a fight with the Congressional heads, but I thought it would be more with McConnell and not this early. I fear that Ryan has gone to the Dark Side, but we'll see.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (r1fLd)

205 Hillary is possibly a four year problem, Trump winning would be unknowable.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (mcm0N)

206 "I'm not especially happy with Candidate Trump, but that doesn't mean
that Hillary has ceased being a deadly threat to the Republic."

...And there's the money shot folks.

I realize there's a lot of hard feelings still out there, there are valid reasons for that and I respect that point of view. But I sincerely hope the above sobering fact brings us together come November.

I say this to the folks who are dead set against supporting Trump: I get it, but let's just get our guy elected. After that you'll have four years to bring him around to a more conservative point of view on whatever issue concerns you.

I bet his administration will be much more willing to listen than Hillary's will be.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (Zq8pH)

207 Color me confused. I thought Ace said he was going to vote for Hillary if Trump got the nomination. That not the case?

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (Bdeb0)

208 136
Obviously you one issue idiots can't see the forest for the Wall otherwise you would vote Libertarian now that they are set to nominate the only experienced, grown up candidate Governor Gary Johnson.
Posted by: whatmeworry? at May 11, 2016 04:22 PM
-------------------
Gary Pothead Johnson a "grown-up?"
He won't even defend the 1st Amendment.

If you clowns nominate Austin Peterson, I might at least give you a listen, but Gary Johnson? Please.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (T/5A0)

209 "Trump will not have vote fraud at his disposal. All those precincts that counted more votes for Obama than there were registered voters in both parties are not going to be doing that for him.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:28 PM (kXoT0)"

Something weird is going to happen with the media though, that will be different from years past, where they get their guy from the GOP and then do a 180 on him. I think they are going in the tank for Trump, they just don't know it yet, they won't be able to help themselves. Because he never apologizes, he's too nimble for them, they can attack, but it will all bounce off. Look at all the legitimately terrible gaffes he's made. Barely a mark on him, sure if he avoided a few of those landmines, he'd have probably locked it up sooner, this thing was drawn out I think as a result. But he's not much worse for the wear. He was on Imus this morning, and I almost thought he was going to apologize to McCain but he just couldn't do it, and it won't matter.

Hillary is a ratings disaster, Trump a ratings bonanza. He's just going to keep getting the billions in free advertising.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (n/ogz)

210 Jane, I love you, I truly do, but, the anti-Trump folks have been just as nasty just as often.

>>>>>>>

Thank you.

Hell, even alexthechick wrote a long comment about the 'unpeopling of Trump supporters'.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (MY6Mq)

211 What you guys are doing, convincing yourselves--without a lick of proof--that Hillary is worse by definition just plays into Trump's hand. You're saying you'll fall in line no matter what he promises to Sanders' loonies.

You're not pushing him to learn conservatism or even give lip service, you're anointing a pig in a poke because you saw the pig on the TV. And what did you get in return for this?
Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 04:31 PM (mrfTe)

I get what your saying but I have to say, to even consider that hillary would not be far worse, then I don't think you have been paying attention to how far to the radical left both hillary and the Dems have moved. The are no longer "liberals"...they are fuckin socialist at best and many are damn near communists. And they hate America

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (Ozsfq)

212 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Hillary Clinton praised today's ruling by the more progressive Supreme Court, in which the Court ruled that the First Amendment does not prevent the Congress and President from passing laws that reasonably attempt to restrict the corrupting influence that big money has been exerting over elections in recent decades...

Posted by: Satan of Teufelwurst Vt at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (qSIlh)

213 Something to ponder:

Democrats/ Republicans would NOT enable Trump and would put up a fight against any idiotic things he tried to pass.

Democrats/ Republicans would dance to the tune of Queen Hillary I, just as they have to King O. EVERYTHING she wanted would get passed. NO checks and balances.

Say hello to gun control, and HUD housing with refugees and maybe even convicted man/boy lovers living next door!

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (AHDxb)

214 The Principles of Donald Trump:
1) Don't you DARE disrespect me, or rip me off.
2) If you come after ME, you can bet your life I'm coming after YOU, only MUCH harder.

Applied to the US, #1 explains his stance on illegal aliens (disrespecting AND ripping off) trade (mostly ripping off) and NATO (ripping off - by not paying their fair share). #2 means the party's over for our adversaries abroad.
---------------

I see no reason to think that Trump will ever see himself and the United States of America as the same.

He will always do what's best for Trump. My hope is that we can figure out a way to make what's best for Trump and what's best for America overlap as much as possible. But when they don't overlap, Trump's gonna take care of Trump every time.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 04:35 PM (A6sW3)

215 205 Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (mcm0N)

Hillary! winning means she packs SCotUS with amnesty addicts and adds ~30-40 million newer better voters for 2020....

Hillary! winning means she uses IRS in ways Obama never dreamed.

Hillary! is being elected for 8 years whether you like it or not.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:35 PM (g8Hfr)

216 It is kind of important. But just under 40% of GOP primary voters have indicated they don't give a crap, so I'm not going to worry about it either.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 11, 2016 04:35 PM (Kucy5)

217 And yet I just said he has claimed that entitlements, THE issue that is driving us to financial ruin, are off the table.
Posted by: JackStraw

Not even Ronald Reagan went near cutting entitlements like Social Security and MediCare.

If that's how you judge a candidate's conservatism, you're never going to find a Republican worthy of your support.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (N2hss)

218 Color me confused. I thought Ace said he was going to vote for Hillary if Trump got the nomination. That not the case?
Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (Bdeb0)

The Vodka wore off...or he started drinking again...What's the difference, he is on a roll

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (Ozsfq)

219 I don't get how Ryan's or Rubio's limited support of Trump -- cast as "We must beat Hillary" -- somehow "nukes" their credibility.

*****

What's this? A semi-charitable comment about Rubio from Ace? Have I come to the wrong site?

Oh wait:

******
I get it from Rubio fans, who I have long ago written off as flighty and strange-minded creatures who even at this late date are campaigning for some kind of 11th hour Rubio Surprise.

But Cruz fans aren't so preposterous.

******

Oh THERE's the needless antagonism that I've come to expect from Ace. And, really, all Cruz fans; it's amazing, it's like you guys have assimilated Cruz's own propensity to unnecessarily provoke and alienate all who might otherwise be political allies. It's rather pathological at this point.

But that's okay. I get what you're trying to do here. You're in part trying to hand wave Cruz's past support for Trump ("Donald is terrific. I'm going to keep singing his praises.") as well as laying the groundwork for Cruz's own inevitable bending of the knee to Trump, probably at the convention.

It's rather amusing, all of these politicians, who don't want the "base" turning on them for not supporting Trump.

That's a laugh, b/c he'll almost certainly lose with or without their tepid endorsements, and guess what - the "base," who've exposed themselves as caring more about big-government welfare (no entitlement reform for them!), economic protectionism, and (white) nationalist pride / grievance mongering than actual conservative policies, has ALREADY turned on them by choosing the orange skinned clown.

Posted by: Vyce at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (25KoR)

220 "
If you clowns nominate Austin Peterson, I might at least give you a listen, but Gary Johnson? Please.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (T/5A0)"

John McAfee is the libertarian candidate #nevertrump deserves.

I just like the idea of having to choose between Trump, and McAfee who is probably a legitimate psychopath.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (n/ogz)

221 Don't really understand how ace could have gone from Trump-curious to "oh hell no" in a matter of weeks throughout the campaign but glad he's on board, if hanging mostly out the window.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (Vqcn4)

222 There is no option left.

I wish that I could use my magic to install the perfect principled conservative as POTUS.

I have no magic.

Here we are.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (MY6Mq)

223 Hell, even alexthechick wrote a long comment about the 'unpeopling of Trump supporters'.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM (MY6Mq)

*********

Did she? I almost went full lesbian for a minute.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (mcm0N)

224 I didn't vote for Trump, and I'll have a hard time voting for him in the general, but I will.

Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (ISxUB)

225 Hillary is a ratings disaster, Trump a ratings bonanza. He's just going to keep getting the billions in free advertising.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:34 PM

This is a very valid point.

Trump would liven up the evening news, and attract advertisers.

Hillary? Not so much.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (AHDxb)

226 At just the thought of it....

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (mcm0N)

227 Does Paul Ryan have a penis? Because I've heard he uses nipple rouge.

Posted by: wth at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (HgMAr)

228 You just don't want to vote for me because I have a penis. Admit it.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (jofrR)

229 #214 Well, Mitch McConnell's gonna get to him first, so don't get your hopes up.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (Kucy5)

230 210
Jane, I love you, I truly do, but, the anti-Trump folks have been just as nasty just as often.

I typically avoid the Trump threads, but I want to hear what people have to say.

I have absolutely nothing against all the folks who are pro-Trump, and have listened to their opinions.

I'll vote for him. But being insulted because I'm not thrilled about it isn't a selling point.

I'm out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (1ZOkK)

231 The anti-Trump crowd is plenty nasty.

An article from some skell named Stephen Miller in Politico I saw last night attacked everyone from Sarah Palin to Dick Cheney for supporting Trump. At one point he writes that the Boomer cohort responsible for Trump should just die already.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (4ErVI)

232 @127 'Well, the pro-Trump crowd really knows how to sell their guy to the rest of us.

Nothing like tossing out insults and "you'd better fall the fuck in line."

That's it! I'm sold!'

Yeah - it's the TRUMP crowd that's been sticking their noses in the air and hurling insults. And the True Conservatives should have to be begged to oppose an Alinsky disciple, career criminal, and traitor who would take us further down the road to socialism, because otherwise the Republican Party might be made impure. You just can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (jPHi7)

233 * John Thune*

*John Thune*

*Mitt Romney*

phew that was a close one.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (mcm0N)

234 Anyone have any experience with Thrifty Car Rental?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (Ozsfq)

235 >>Hillary is a ratings disaster,

Heh, yes. That voice! That glare! That cackle! She is all kinds of repellent.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (NOIQH)

236 Before we go further down the track of insult railroad. I think this thread calls for some more Will Rogers quotes:

The short memories of the American voters is what keeps our politicians in office.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (w4NZ8)

237 I think both will be equally damaging to the country in their own way. The key is who will receive the most successful opposition to their insanity. Will a GOP house allow Trump to be stupid or will they put up opposition? Will a GOP house be more apt to oppose Hillary? Will there be a GOP senate? There are a lot more variables to be considered in this game theory.

I've just decided not to play.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (oqMTy)

238 It was last week sometime.

It was pretty awesome.

But it was ATC so of course, it would be.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (MY6Mq)

239 it's good to see less bickering and fighting about who killed who.

#NeverGrandmaoPantsuit

Posted by: x at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (nFwvY)

240 I'd rather have GOP Grima Wormtongues whispering in Trump's ear than Blumenthal/Brock Wormtongues whispering in Mrs. Clinton's.

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (Bdeb0)

241 "She thinks people (i.e. everyone but her and her cronies) are STUPID..."

I don't think anyone could look at Trump's strategy and believe he doesn't think the same thing. This is my #1 complaint with the guy--he's playing us for reality TV-watching clods.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (mrfTe)

242 223 Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (mcm0N)

I pulled the fade here and on twatter b/c of the attacks on Trump Agnostics let alone Trump fans.

You have the Whore of Babylon trying to kill you and we decide that is the time for no holds barred shoot fight Sectarian angst?

I hope not.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (g8Hfr)

243 Don't really understand how ace could have gone from Trump-curious to "oh hell no" in a matter of weeks throughout the campaign but glad he's on board, if hanging mostly out the window.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee)
---------------

I was Trump-curious because I saw from the beginning that he could be the nominee, but was very, very, VERY rough around the edges. He needed a lot of polish and grinding. He needed to do a lot of work - actual hard work - to get to the point where I could trust him as a conservative.

At some point I recognized that he would never do that work.

I want him to win, but he hasn't earned my vote. I want no part of this.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (A6sW3)

244 "I recall that early in her Senate career she had this genius idea of a
federal government 800# that citizens could call to find out the number
for this or that service."

Clintonworld are pushing the lines about Hillary's Senate "experience" and "accomplishments" and the stuff she purportedly "fought for" while in the Senate.

Reality check: Hillary originated under her name and carried through into law a total of *three* Senate bills in six years.

One of them ceremonially renamed a post office. One renamed a stretch of highway. The third made the home of an obscure 19th century female labor leader into a National Historic Site.

"Accomplishments."

Posted by: torquewrench at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (noWW6)

245 227 Does Paul Ryan have a penis? Because I've heard he uses nipple rouge.
Posted by: wth at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (HgMAr)

********

I hear Trump rubs Cheeto dust on his.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (mcm0N)

246 Hey I think I'm gonna visit Garbutt NY and tell em all to die this weekend. Its like 40 mins away!

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (pSC/P)

247
A Republican-led House that opposes Pres Trump would be richly ironic.

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (55x9i)

248 Get in the car. I don't drive like a woman since I've got the penis and all.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (jofrR)

249 234 Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (Ozsfq)

Yes, Go enterprise.

What's up?

I used thrifty at times where Enterprise was not available.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (g8Hfr)

250 I am amazed that you can say that after 4 solid months of Fck Trump AND
his supporters and "neverTrump, you a55holes" from ace and various cobs .

This blog was very, very slow to criticize Trump and was a lot more likely to criticize those insulting Trump supporters until fairly recently.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (bZ7mE)

251 "Not even Ronald Reagan went near cutting entitlements like Social Security and MediCare.

If that's how you judge a candidate's conservatism, you're never going to find a Republican worthy of your support. "

U.S. debt-$19 trillion
U.S. GDP-$17 trillion

And nobody is really going to do anything about it in either main party. Too much momentum, you'll get politically filleted by the media for trying anything, and, it's going to take us right off the cliff.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (LA7Cm)

252 Never miss a good chance to shut up

Will Rogers

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (w4NZ8)

253 >>If that's how you judge a candidate's conservatism, you're never going to find a Republican worthy of your support.

I'm not sure if you were politically active in the 2012 cycle but Romney and Ryan had entitlement reform as one of the core planks in their platform. Ryan campaigned all over Florida with his mom to insure seniors that they would not be screwed but that changes needed to be made for younger people or the plans would collapse.

My first choice this season, Scott Walker, was also putting entitlement reform at the center of his campaign.

So no, I don't have to look very far to find solid, principled candidates who actually run on issues I support and have a track record that shows I can mostly trust them.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (/tuJf)

254
"I come in peace."

Anyone remember the movie? Hint: 1990.

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (55x9i)

255 "204 After my early choices flamed out, I became a Trumpster because with his Mad Media Skilzz I thought he could actually win. Once in office I expect to him to be a Rudy Giuliani-like pragmatist, which is what we need right now. Please note that some of the positions he's taken give Trump a smaller target area to be hit with in the general, e.g. not being opposed to a small increase in the minimum wage. e.g., not defunding the good part of PP. I think this was on purpose.

He's put out a strong statement of what he'll do in his first 100 days, which includes naming a Scalia successor in the mold of Scalia. There's a lot he can do without Congress without going extra-Constitutional including by simply undoing what Obama has done without Congress.

One of Trump's great opportunities is to reform the budget process, including by declaring that he'll veto any spending bill that isn't broken down small enough to manage like you would a diversified business. I can picture Newt Gingrich being the running back on this hitting the line over and over. There's a lot of savings that can be had, and maybe more importantly, a way to end the stealth funding for so many of the pernicious things that have been growing out of DC.

Let's see what Ryan is up to. I expected Trump was going to get in a fight with the Congressional heads, but I thought it would be more with McConnell and not this early. I fear that Ryan has gone to the Dark Side, but we'll see.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (r1fLd)"

I think you are right with what is needed. That's why the VP is so important, but a really treacherous choice needs to be made.

Need to check a few boxes.

1) Has to have enough credibility on the right that it moves some of #nevertrump to maybe or yes Trump.
2) Can't terrify crossover voters.

Almost need a placeholder for 4 years, a la a Dick Cheney type character who won't be expected to run. Then replace when going for re-election with maybe a more likeable politically seasoned, Cruz. If things are going well, we won't need any "trump democrats" any more. Then you have everything tee'd up for maybe a popular, conservative incumbent to take any momentum and run with it.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (n/ogz)

256 >>>But it's worth having that headline become a reality because Trump is low class. Or something.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:30 PM (N2hss)>>>

Not sure how it's better than:

"Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Donald Trump praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the Court, that the Second Amendment only protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms when actively serving in an official state militia... "

But, whatever floats your boat.

Posted by: gm at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (4ueYo)

257 Do you want to feel good or do good? If you want to do good, vote for Trump and stop the left.

Posted by: thathalfrican - at work at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (LImmh)

258 "The left loathes Trump because they're very, very stupid.'

The left loathes Trump because he TALKS conservative. He's going to build a wall, he's going to punish Mexico, he's going to make America great again, he's going to support our veterans, yadda yadda yadda.

Conservatives loathe Trump because he talks conservative but isn't. He's got a lifetime achievement award in supporting leftist, statist candidates, and he demonstrates no more commitment to Constitutional governance than the bastard we've got now.

Posted by: Qoheleth at May 11, 2016 04:42 PM (iIzG7)

259 "Stop talking shit about Trump!" rings pretty hollow on a blog where any given thread has dozens of disparaging comments about every GOP politician/candidate who has been relevant in the last 12 years. We know Trump was a Democrat-supporting Establishment crony, I suspect he still is, talking shit about him is both right and proper. Even if I do have to vote for him in the end.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 11, 2016 04:42 PM (2cS/G)

260 Circle jerk. Circular firing squad.

Circle-jerk firing squad or, as the French put it, "la petit mort."

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 04:42 PM (Bdeb0)

261 "
This blog was very, very slow to criticize Trump and was a lot more likely to criticize those insulting Trump supporters until fairly recently.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (bZ7mE)"

It feels like this thing has dragged on forever, but I feel like things shifted towards the #nevertrump only in the last month or so.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:42 PM (n/ogz)

262 Oh poo
I didn't read the comments and you're all being po faced

Vote how you want. Everybody sucks anyway and that including us too. Do whatever.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 11, 2016 04:43 PM (pSC/P)

263 #neverhillaryevenifthatmeansPresidentTheDonald

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:26 PM (kXoT0)

Right there with ya, except I'd go even further - #neverademocrat period. And yes, I'm fully aware of The Donald's Democrat past and liberal leanings (I was for Cruz). But any out and out Democrat today is a Marxist and I will not vote for a Marxist.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 11, 2016 04:43 PM (u0lmX)

264 I pulled the fade here and on twatter b/c of the attacks on Trump Agnostics let alone Trump fans.

You have the Whore of Babylon trying to kill you and we decide that is the time for no holds barred shoot fight Sectarian angst?

I hope not.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (g8Hfr)

**********

Trump is only illustrating thug-plomacy so far. It isn't going to change. And --his followers only emulate it.

He continually uses blackmail as a tool, and the only way to stop that is to not give in to him.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:43 PM (mcm0N)

265 252 Never miss a good chance to shut up

Will Rogers
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (w4NZ

Hey Fen.... funny, I just read that today. Second times charm, so I think I'll try it about this whole matter. Is the saying akin to "once you hit bottom, stop digging" you think?

Posted by: kraken at May 11, 2016 04:44 PM (sdxPm)

266 "Democrats/ Republicans would NOT enable Trump and would put up a fight against any idiotic things he tried to pass.

Democrats/ Republicans would dance to the tune of Queen Hillary I, just as they have to King O."

shibumi with an actual good point. Nobody keeps Democrats honest.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 04:44 PM (mrfTe)

267 it's like you guys have assimilated Cruz's own propensity to unnecessarily provoke and alienate all who might otherwise be political allies. It's rather pathological at this point.

Posted by: Vyce at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (25KoR)

But calling anyone (not saying you personally did this, but Trump supporters in general) who didn't vehemently advocate for Trump a "cuckservative" was necessary provocation and not at all alienating to those who might otherwise be political allies is perfectly understandable and not at all pathological. Got it.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 11, 2016 04:44 PM (uiwCw)

268 I would only add: it will become worse for you.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 11, 2016 04:44 PM (pSC/P)

269 I will happily reserve a seat in the Trump clown car so I don't end up in a cattlecar to the People's Organ Donation Center.

Better Von Papen than Herr Hisler.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 11, 2016 04:44 PM (FtrY1)

270 I don't connect with the drunk/flaming crazy car driver scenario.
I see it much more in line baseball and with teaching a young toddler in the 5-6 year old range about how to hit and catch a baseball.

Some toddlers pick up on it quickly, some toddlers not so much and some toddlers just never get it. They end up playing hopscotch, wearing mommies clothes and end up having their future sexual choices shoved in our faces.

In any case with the Republican party. That baseball lesson has been going on for a long,long time.
GWB held the WH and all of Congress. All of those conservatives there who were going to do the good and rightgeous thing and poof. Nada. That was all of us being taught baseball and we all sucked at it.

And then the Obama years. The promises from the conservative Republicans on how they would do this, repeal that, fix this if we only gave them the House.
Baseball lesson again. We gave them the House, Once again we couldn't hit for chit or catch to save our lives.
The Senate, oh please.Please oh please they told us with all of their conservative speak. Give us both houses of Congress and we control the purse.
Baseball lesson. Most of us whiff like losers and look like we are going into spastic spasms when trying to catch the damn ball except for one thing. A few of us were catching better, hitting better. Learned the lesson of baseball and moved away from all of those conservative Republicans who were just happy as clams to sit there and watch a bunch of 5 year olds fall all over themselves trying to play baseball that they cared nothing about.

Now I realize that some people will never get baseball but the fact is unless your completely inept and/or just don't wake up and really care about the game. Then the grownups are going to continue to sit in the stands, point, and laugh at you.

Posted by: Drider at May 11, 2016 04:44 PM (6Xbsz)

271 197 What you guys are doing, convincing yourselves--without a lick of proof--that Hillary is worse by definition just plays into Trump's hand. You're saying you'll fall in line no matter what he promises to Sanders' loonies.
You're not pushing him to learn conservatism or even give lip service, you're anointing a pig in a poke because you saw the pig on the TV. And what did you get in return for this?
Posted by: spongeworthy at May 11, 2016 04:31 PM (mrfTe)

"learn conservatism"? really? I'd rather have the pig in a poke than the Pig formerly known as Hillary

Posted by: the Butcher at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (AGJqR)

272 I was Walker then Cruz - then Trump/Cruz once I started seeing the writing on the wall.

I will stick with Trump/Cruz until another VP is picked.

I prefer my post-apocalyptic radioactive wasteland to have HYOOG casinos and expensive hotels.

No Pantsuits.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (MY6Mq)

273 >>>1) Has to have enough credibility on the right that it moves some of #nevertrump to maybe or yes Trump.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:41 PM (n/ogz)>>>

I don't know how a "credible" VP makes Trump's promises believable. Trump literally wrote the book on manipulating people by say whatever it takes to arrive at what you want. How does anyone know what Trump wants until after he gets it? I don't know how we ended up with a nominee whose promises are even less believable than the promises of a typical pol.

Posted by: gm at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (4ueYo)

274 264 Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:43 PM (mcm0N)

I'll be in my bunk....

the left deserves it.

No Trump uses what works, he faces a hostile media and hostiles in "his" party.

I'm not a fool he's an idiot but Hillary! is a monster.

I'll go with the idiot.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (g8Hfr)

275 247
A Republican-led House that opposes Pres Trump would be richly ironic.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls
-------------

It may actually be the best thing for the Republic.

The executive has too much power. It's time for Congress to push back. The problem is that pushback won't work when Congress and the White House are controlled by different parties. The White House is just going to cast it as partisan bickering. Team Red and Team Blue will play their assigned roles, hypocritically flip-flopping as necessary.

Only Nixon can go to China. Only a GOP Congress can stand up to a GOP president's power grabs.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (26zxJ)

276 Thank you, Mortimer.

Did she? I almost went full lesbian for a minute.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:36 PM (mcm0N)

*scampers to find it*

Crappity. I'm too lazy to go look. But yeah.

I mean, I've violated my own I will be better in this here thread but I've been sickened by the Unpeopling going on by everyone, especially me.

It's ugly. It's wrong. Just because Trump is terrible in oh so many ways doesn't make it right.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (mf5HN)

277 I'll vote for him. But being insulted because I'm not thrilled about it isn't a selling point.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:37 PM (1ZOkK)

Of course it isn't. It's wrong and counter productive. You are one of the most level headed and nice people who post here. I always look forward to your posts.

My point was that we need to stop insulting both sides.

I voted for Cruz in my primary, which he won. But, I, personally can't wait to vote AGAINST Hillary.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (kXoT0)

278 "A Republican-led House that opposes Pres Trump would be richly ironic.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:40 PM (55x9i)"

It could be a very healthy thing, it would be a shame that the only time they get a spine is to stop their own guy, but if he starts in on any of the stuff that people are afraid of with him, than that's what they need to do.

The fear of king Trump is really the knowledge that congress is totally broken, and has abdicated most of their authority.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:46 PM (n/ogz)

279 I'm not sure if you were politically active in the 2012 cycle but Romney and Ryan had entitlement reform as one of the core planks in their platform. Ryan campaigned all over Florida with his mom to insure seniors that they would not be screwed but that changes needed to be made for younger people or the plans would collapse.

My first choice this season, Scott Walker, was also putting entitlement reform at the center of his campaign.

So no, I don't have to look very far to find solid, principled candidates who actually run on issues I support and have a track record that shows I can mostly trust them.
Posted by: JackStraw

Pff, yea, that was going to happen.

And remind me again how much reform happens when you lose campaigning on these issues?

I'd rather have the focus on 30 million illegal aliens then chained CPI formulas.

And how about cutting the ObamaPhones before we look at Grandma's Social Security?

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:46 PM (N2hss)

280 239
it's good to see less bickering and fighting about who killed who.

#NeverGrandmaoPantsuit
----

Agree completely.

I think we can all unite under the flag of #NeverHillary, as well as in our dislike of King Barack I.

/and Islam. Not too keen on Islam either....

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 04:46 PM (AHDxb)

281 Who is 68 today?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:46 PM (Ozsfq)

282 196 I'm on Team SMOD, Team Yellowstone Caldera, Team Madrid Fault, Team San Andreas Fault, Team Mt. Ranier, Team....gah...can't think...
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:31 PM (1ZOkK)

Add Team Cthulhu to that list, please.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 11, 2016 04:46 PM (KkVB6)

283 38 The tiebreaker for me is the fact that if Trump is going to try something extra-constitutional, he's much more likely to get backlash from congress/the media.

Hillary (as evidenced by the last 8 years) won't.

So if my choices are between somebody who might try to destroy the republic (but will be opposed), and one who will try to destroy the republic (and might not be), Trump seems like the safer option.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 11, 2016 04:03 PM (KUaJL)

This is the best argument I've read from a pro-Trump person. That being said:

138 83 >>If you vote 3rd party or don't vote at all, I don't want to hear any whining, bitching, or complaining from you for the next 8 years.

Funny as hell reading these passionate statements, many written by #neverRomney people.

Personally, I can't wait to hear the bitching and moaning from the pro-Trump camp when he stabs you in the back. And he will.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:13 PM (/tuJf)

Oh yes, I know quite a few people who I will literally point and laugh at when he does a 180 on their pet issues.

-

Yep. You honestly can't say what Trump is going to actually do. Being that his default position (without being briefed) is liberal Democratic, many Trumpkins are going to be all-excuses all-the-time if he does manage to be elected.

BTW, Trumpkin <= Favorables (Trump + [Todd] Akin)

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (B11vO)

284 "There is a difference between getting in a car with an impulsive drunk driver and being doused in gasoline and set aflame by a psychopathic arsonist."

I see it as a choice between fighting cancer and a fending off an armed attacker. I'll take the armed attacker every time. Trump's presence is a cancer.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (t5zYU)

285 You're not pushing him to learn conservatism or even give lip service,

Been there.

Done that.

see : 2000, 2004,2008,2012

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (MY6Mq)

286 Be right back, I'm taking Bernie for a little drive.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (jofrR)

287
John McAfee is the libertarian candidate #nevertrump deserves.

He will drive the viruses out of Washington!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (k4M/B)

288 "He's put out a strong statement of what he'll do in his first 100 days,
which includes naming a Scalia successor in the mold of Scalia."

There is not a deep well of Scalia-level conservative legal intellects upon which to draw.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (noWW6)

289 I don't know how a "credible" VP makes Trump's promises believable. Trump literally wrote the book on manipulating people by say whatever it takes to arrive at what you want.
------------------

Trump's negotiating with the voters for their votes. The people giving him their votes have absolutely no reason to believe that he's going to stick to any promise he makes, for exactly the reason you identify.

If you're voting for Trump because you calculate that he's likely to be better than Hillary... cool. But don't tell me what he is or isn't going to do, because you don't have any fucking idea what he's going to do.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (26zxJ)

290 282 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 11, 2016 04:46 PM (KkVB6)

Team Methane Gas Expulsion passed through this week...

Barney Zanders and Margot Kidder...

surreal I am stuck in the 70s.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (g8Hfr)

291 Hey I was a Cruz supporter from jump street but when Trump jumped out and moved to every bodies right and then every other candidate spent months trying to convince everyone Trumps not Conservstive instead of adopting his positions which were resonating with the base I knew the jig was up and Trump was going to be the man to beat and the nominee.

Cruz couldn't even win the evangelical vote against a NE blowhard he wast going to win against the queen of the damned.

My support for Trump is tactical and I think Trump has enough of the right instincts in him to change, ever so slightly, the trajectory we are on.

He brings an element of chaos and cleansing fire to our moribund body politic.

I see not other way forward other than chaos.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 11, 2016 04:48 PM (KwtEE)

292 284 Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 11, 2016 04:47 PM (t5zYU)

The media will fight the cancer in this case. They will collude with your home invader.

Choose wisely.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:48 PM (g8Hfr)

293 #100 has offered the single most powerful and persuasive argument for controlling our borders. My hat's off to you torquewrench. Where'd you get that statistic?

Posted by: vivi at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (11H2y)

294
So you'd like to see a Republican House oppose Trump on border security?

Or would you like to see a Republican House oppose Trump on cracking down on Muslim extremists living here in the USA?

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (55x9i)

295
I hear Trump rubs Cheeto dust on his.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:39 PM (mcm0N)
...................

Doesn't matter what I rub on mine... still nuthin'.

Posted by: Bernie at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (HgMAr)

296 282
196 I'm on Team SMOD, Team Yellowstone Caldera, Team Madrid Fault, Team
San Andreas Fault, Team Mt. Ranier, Team....gah...can't think...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2016 04:31 PM (1ZOkK)

Add Team Cthulhu to that list, please.
---

Don't forget Team Extraterrestrial Invasion. Or Team Blood Moon. Or Team Shemita.

/please don't judge me too harshly...

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (AHDxb)

297 Welcome to "sanity".

You can be concerned about Trump all day long for reasons legitimate and illegitimate. But that concern is based upon a fear that Trump MAY harm National Security. Personally I think he will do more good than harm, after all "what can he do, fuck it up?"

But Spillery HAS harmed, and would continue to harm, National Security. And she wants a pass on it (when others would see jail time) AND she wants promoted to the highest office in the land. There is a reason why there is such seriousness taken with "spills" of highly secret information (such as SAPs) and someone that does it is prima facie disqualified from office, and then marched to jail afterward. Anyone that hacked her system has the goods on her (Guccifer says at least 10 others were on her system when he was, surely from foreign powers), and will hold that "trump card" until she takes office, when she REALLY compromises the nation.

And that doesn't even taken into account her past compromises which were to her benefit.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (i6shs)

298 Right now, I prefer the devil I know.
Posted by: taylork at May 11, 2016 04:12 PM (/+d5K)

Um, Trump will be worse than felonious Hilldog? It what universe are you living or can I have what you are smoking? Do you think the GOPe will stand up to historic first woman Hillary?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (n2GmV)

299 All right, punching out of the office for the day. See y'all later.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 11, 2016 04:50 PM (uiwCw)

300 Being that his default position (without being briefed) is liberal Democratic,

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin

-------------

Yep. During the primaries, Trump would say something that aligned with his impulses, then walk it back when he realized that it would hurt him with GOP primary voters.

Why would he walk anything back once he doesn't need GOP primary voters?

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 11, 2016 04:50 PM (aFa2V)

301 This old proposed dictator is better than that old proposed dictator.

Why? Because they used to support one another financially and politically for decades! That's why they're totally different!

If you can't understand that and don't get in line and declare your support for my proposed dictator, then you're stupid!

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 04:50 PM (71OEY)

302 "I don't know how a "credible" VP makes Trump's promises believable. Trump literally wrote the book on manipulating people by say whatever it takes to arrive at what you want. How does anyone know what Trump wants until after he gets it? I don't know how we ended up with a nominee whose promises are even less believable than the promises of a typical pol.
Posted by: gm at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (4ueYo)"

It's something like "you have to live with me now, but you can get this great candidate that checks all your boxes as the default option in 4 or 8 years"

I've seen this stated before, and my dad says it all the time, but Reagan's biggest mistake was Bush on the ticket, there was no one to take the progress made in 8 years and push the extra few yards into the endzone. We've just been wishing it had worked out that way for 30 years. Instead we got 12 years of Bush style conservatism.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 04:51 PM (n/ogz)

303 Trump has two things going for him:

He does not want to start WWIII.

He admits that the US is bankrupt, and needs to declare bankruptcy sometime before we go down the Zimbabwe model for debt repayment ( just print up moar zeros on the bills! ).

Winter is coming, folks.

Posted by: Kristophr at May 11, 2016 04:51 PM (jLXo8)

304 "Trumps going to pick Tom Cotton as his veep."

Bold choice, but at 37 maybe too young.

I expect Trump to have a cabinet more or less announced at the Convention. Cotton would be a great pick for something like Defense. Many of those who ran against Trump will be included. One may be VP. Gingrich might be best as Chief of Staff.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:51 PM (r1fLd)

305 "There is not a deep well of Scalia-level conservative legal intellects upon which to draw."

I'd be fine with Samuel Alito caliber justices.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2016 04:52 PM (LA7Cm)

306 Crappity. I'm too lazy to go look. But yeah.

I mean, I've violated my own I will be better in this here thread but I've been sickened by the Unpeopling going on by everyone, especially me.

It's ugly. It's wrong. Just because Trump is terrible in oh so many ways doesn't make it right.
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 11, 2016 04:45 PM (mf5HN)

***********

Sigh. It's the nature of the internet. We all hate Ryan though--right?

I don't--but that makes me a troll here.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:52 PM (mcm0N)

307 People acting as it's a blow to one's credibility to look at two distasteful outcomes, and yet decide that one outcome is less distasteful than the other, are being kind of frivolous and solipsistic here, I think.

If people believe what they've been saying about Donald Trump during the primaries, they think he's more than "distateful."

They think he's an existential threat to the Republic.

Either a lot of people who said that stuff don't seem to believe it or, worse, do believe it, but are so corrupted they're willing to overlook that for other reasons. I can't say I'm shocked by either. But, as much as I disagree with Trump supporters, I find them a lot more likeable than anybody who falls into either of those categories.

Say what you will about Trump (and I'll continue to), Republican leaders are continually proving him right in his opinion of them.

Posted by: AD at May 11, 2016 04:52 PM (CKXH7)

308 257 Do you want to feel good or do good? If you want to do good, vote for Trump and stop the left.

Posted by: thathalfrican - at work at May 11, 2016 04:41
--------------------
That's a good one. Seriously.

If you see your vote as an expression of personal values, you may incline one way.
If you think solely of concrete results, you may incline another.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 04:52 PM (T/5A0)

309 ***"I'm on Team SMOD, Team Yellowstone Caldera, Team Madrid Fault, Team San Andreas Fault, Team Mt. Ranier, Team....gah...can't think..."***

What, no Gamma Ray Burst?

I've not been campaigning hard enough since it can't even make the list.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (Wckf4)

310 I think the never trump movement is based a lot on the same premise of why many people hate crooked cops more than they hate crooks.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (oqMTy)

311 Doesn't matter what I rub on mine... still nuthin'.
Posted by: Bernie at May 11, 2016 04:49 PM (HgMAr)

********

LOL!

Posted by: Danube River Guide at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (mcm0N)

312 Anyone have any experience with Thrifty Car Rental?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:38 PM (Ozsfq)

I used to work as a programmer for Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group. They were bought by Hertz. All of the big car rental companies are about the same, which was my experience when I traveled as an IT consultant. The only one I've used lately was Enterprise and they were OK.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (kXoT0)

313 I voted for Cruz and now I will vote for Trump. Which now apparently makes me an apostate, whore, unprincipled and liberal puke.

That's just a sampling of the vitriol I can print from people calling themselves "conservatives". I suppose they don't realize they are actually authoritarians and ignorant.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (O0lVq)

314 202 >>Most of the apostasy of Trump is stupid window dressing like "maybe I'll look at raising the minimum wage"

And yet I just said he has claimed that entitlements, THE issue that is driving us to financial ruin, are off the table. In fact, Trump is now claiming it's impossible for the US to go broke because "we can just print more money". Isn't this the story of Obama?

My biggest feat isn't electing a liberal. My biggest fear is that if we don't get some adult leadership in DC soon we will pass the point of no return and there isn't an EU or any other organization to bail us out.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 11, 2016 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

++++

Of course he took entitlements off the table. Maybe I missed it: was Cruz promising to cut Social Security or Medicare?

It is a losing proposition, no matter how good of an idea it may be, the voters will not have it. Bush 43 tried to get some interest in experimenting with allowing SS to have some 401K-like components just for younger workers, and it went nowhere. He tried this after he was already in office - he sure didn't campaign on it - and he got no support from anyone, not those in Congress and not the public.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (R+30W)

315 Now she's got a whole new handwringing thing going on, because in her liberal coastal yuppie social circles, "acceptance" of immigrants is a class marker and virtue signal, and if she brings up the cost issue, she'll be ostracized as a racist bitch.
Posted by: torquewrench

Bwahahahahahaha! Sucks to be that broad.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (Ak/GS)

316 ATC,

I appreciate the term 'unpeopling' . It makes the point perfectly. And I hate to see it in myself, as well.

It's argumentative flypaper. You get stuck in an asymptotic moral failure feedback loop that gets closer and closer to WAR, DAMMIT because of slights and perceived slights and next thing you know you are pounding your brother's face into paste over some asshole politician.

I hate that shit.

I come to ace's because of all the really smart people and teh funnay.

I miss teh funnay lately. A lot.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:54 PM (MY6Mq)

317
"I come in peace."

Dark Angel (1990), starring Dolph Lundgren.

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:54 PM (55x9i)

318 Tom Cotton will never happen. Trump will go for someone who can help with the electoral votes or a demo in which he is weak.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2016 04:54 PM (O0lVq)

319 And thank you for posting your comment. I reposted it on two subsequent threads because it was so good.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 04:54 PM (MY6Mq)

320
I'll take the armed attacker every time. Trump's presence is a cancer.

Oh please.,the only reason we are talking about a Tump presidency is because of the cancerous growth that attached itself to the White House eight years ago

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 11, 2016 04:55 PM (lKyWE)

321 Right now, I prefer the devil I know.
Posted by: taylork

how does "knowing" that somebody is going to do you harm make it a better scenario?

Hillary is praising Australia's confiscation of guns and her daughter is giddy that Scalia is dead so they can end the 2nd Amendment.

How is knowing she's coming after your guns make you want to vote for that outcome?

Sure, Trump doesn't have an NRA tattoo, but I like my chances with him a lot better than the Clintons

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:55 PM (N2hss)

322 "My first choice this season, Scott Walker, was also putting entitlement reform at the center of his campaign."

I had Walker as an early pick, but he wasn't ready for the big stage.

The thing that has to get fixed is healthcare. That's what will break the bank. And I'm open to anything that can work including single payer for chronic illnesses like diabetes which is where most of the money goes. What we have now is the worst of worlds from a fiscal standpoint and ObamaCare has only made it worse.

I used to agree with folks like Ryan about cutting SocSec and then realized it's a loser politically. Why should my paid-in future benefits get cut a dime when there is so much out-and-out thieving going on in DC?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (r1fLd)

323 The only one I've used lately was Enterprise and they were OK.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:53 PM (kXoT0)

Given my choice I usually have been using Enterprise, but I have to use Thrifty this weekend since they were the lowest price and that is what DTS ( Defense Travel) makes me do, unless I have an overriding reason not take the lowest price.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (Ozsfq)

324 Gingrich might be best as Chief of Staff.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:51 PM (r1fLd)

I have posted this many times, make Newt the Press Secretary with an incentive plan--every time he makes a member of the WH Press Corp cry, scream, or curse, then Callista gets $25,000 deposited into her Tiffany's account. It would be must see TV.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (kXoT0)

325 Wait, I thought, in 2012, that four more years of Obama was going to be the death of the Republic. Am I to understand that wasn't the case??

Is this time for realz?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (Wckf4)

326 >>> Do you think the GOPe will stand up to historic first woman Hillary?
....

Nope. I don't think the GOP will stand up to or stand for anything at all. They will lie during election ad time and say whatever the polls tell them to keep their phoney baloney jobs, then go back on vacation till the next election with periodic breaks to engage in more graft and activities that would be a felony if anyone else did it.

So, with Congress safely out of the way, we're left with your choice of which version of promised dictator with no regard to the Constitution in general and limitations of the Executive Branch in particular you prefer.

The good news is that, up until about 18 months ago, both choices agreed with and supported one another up and down the line for decades, so either choice gives you the same policies and beliefs. Can't go wrong!

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (71OEY)

327
Bruce Campbell has a new movie coming out in October. With Sean Young?? I thought she was dead or retired?

Dark Ascension.

"The gates of Heaven & Hell have been broken and the afterlife is in ruins. One group of new arrivals must find a way to put things right to prevent an eternal battle between good & evil. "

hmmmm..

Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (55x9i)

328 Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (r1fLd)

You want me to pay for your diabetes treatment?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (oqMTy)

329 "I come in peace."

Anyone remember the movie? Hint: 1990.-------Flock of Seagulls

Yup. Rutger Hauer was one of it's stars.
He really didn't come in peace.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (+aCe4)

330 How is knowing she's coming after your guns make you want to vote for that outcome?

Sure, Trump doesn't have an NRA tattoo, but I like my chances with him a lot better than the Clintons "

Yeah, I wish John Wayne was running for President but he's not. We do know what Hillary will try. At least Trump seems to recognize it as a sensitive issue.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (LA7Cm)

331 "I don't know how a "credible" VP makes Trump's promises believable."

A credible VP choice doesn't make Trump's promises believable. A credible VP choice simply gives me hope that we could wind up with a grown-up as President when the badger-headed sonuvabich strokes out.

Posted by: Qoheleth at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (iIzG7)

332 Too late Ace. You've thrown out whatever creditablitly you had with you pathetic tantrums.

Who has thinner skin? Trump or Ace?

Posted by: Ace: Leader of the Cucks at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (4fVn8)

333 I'm becoming more and more convinced that the same thought process that produced candidate Yeb Bush is what brought us candidate Hillary Clinton...and that the Dems are going to wake up in November with this sudden realization: what in the fuck were we thinking pushing a candidate under the threat of indictment who is known as a serial liar and criminal?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 11, 2016 04:57 PM (4ErVI)

334 Oh please.,the only reason we are talking about a Tump presidency is because of the cancerous growth that attached itself to the White House eight years ago
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 11, 2016 04:55 PM (lKyWE)

And because of the Strutz's in the Congress who sold out Republican Voters

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:58 PM (Ozsfq)

335 Of course he took entitlements off the table. Maybe I missed it: was Cruz promising to cut Social Security or Medicare?

It is a losing proposition, no matter how good of an idea it may be, the voters will not have it. Bush 43 tried to get some interest in experimenting with allowing SS to have some 401K-like components just for younger workers, and it went nowhere. He tried this after he was already in office - he sure didn't campaign on it - and he got no support from anyone, not those in Congress and not the public.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

If we're going to start cutting entitlements, can we at least start with the Great Society programs that are rotting this country first rather than the ones people have been paying their whole lives into?

I'm talking about ObamaPhones, food stamps, federal housing, welfare, medicaid, etc

rather than going after popular, middle class entitlements like Social Security and MediCare.

or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually on SS and Medicare?

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:58 PM (N2hss)

336 323 Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (Ozsfq)

NGU unless you are smoke averse to the nth degree Thrifty is fine.

Especially if your TDY will involve interstate travel to any degree.

Thrifty and Budget were the most forgiving on crossing state lines in my experience.

Good luck.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 04:58 PM (g8Hfr)

337 "Voting 3rd party or not voting is a vote for Hillary. You can spin yourself like a top defending the choice, but at the end of the day either Trump or Hillary will win the presidency. And if you don't help Trump, you're implicitly helping Hillary.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 11, 2016 04:11 PM (IffJr)"

No sale. You helped nominate the vile orange piece of lying totalitarian shit, he's YOUR problem.

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 11, 2016 04:59 PM (CBPeh)

338 "The thing that has to get fixed is healthcare. That's what will break the bank. And I'm open to anything that can work including single payer for chronic illnesses like diabetes which is where most of the money goes. What we have now is the worst of worlds from a fiscal standpoint and ObamaCare has only made it worse.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (r1fLd)"

It's how I'm at peace with Trump's past talk of single payer. ACA was a trojan horse for it we all know it, entitlement programs never go away, so if we're going to end up with some version of this in the next decade, who do we want to implement it?

It's kind of a hypothetical, maybe it's possible to repeal and replace with something less harmful, we'll see how that works, and I'm sure the #nevertrump will talk bankruptcy, and Trump is not the guy to do this, but I know who definitely is not the one to be trusted with it. Hillary Clinton (or Bernie Sanders, though I think his version would be less corrupt than hers).

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 05:00 PM (n/ogz)

339 Given my choice I usually have been using Enterprise, but I have to use Thrifty this weekend since they were the lowest price and that is what DTS ( Defense Travel) makes me do, unless I have an overriding reason not take the lowest price.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 04:56 PM (Ozsfq)

It should be OK. A lot of it depends on the market in which you are renting. All the companies will rent you a clean well maintained car because it's the business model. Pro tip: insist on a non-smoking car--those are usually the newest cars, because eventually, over time, the cars get used by a heavy smoker who travels for a living. If you get in the car and it smells like cigarette smoke, make them give you another one.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 05:00 PM (kXoT0)

340 Shame Joe Biden's not running. He would have been the best president.

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 05:00 PM (Bdeb0)

341 By the way how the hell did the FBI agree to questioning rules from that Strutz hillary?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 05:00 PM (Ozsfq)

342
Winter is coming, folks.
Posted by: Kristophr

But first, we have summer riots.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2016 05:01 PM (k4M/B)

343 Also, am I the only one here who think that Trump is saying to himself "OMG I can't believe this is happening?"

Personally, I can't believe it either. If you would have told me a year ago I would be supporting Trump, I would have denied it.

But... King Barack I and the Republican Party has brought this on themselves IMHO

The Burning Times are here, and Mr. Trump has the biggest torch.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 05:01 PM (AHDxb)

344 It should be OK. A lot of it depends on the market in which you are renting. All the companies will rent you a clean well maintained car because it's the business model. Pro tip: insist on a non-smoking car--those are usually the newest cars, because eventually, over time, the cars get used by a heavy smoker who travels for a living. If you get in the car and it smells like cigarette smoke, make them give you another one.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at May 11, 2016 05:00 PM (kXoT0)

Good tip...thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 05:01 PM (Ozsfq)

345 Trogdor the Burninator 2016

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (bZ7mE)

346 How many Trump supporters who now insist that you must vote for Trump for no other reason than to stop Hillary had said they would never ever vote for Bush or never ever vote for Rubio?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (oqMTy)

347 If we're going to start cutting entitlements, can we at least start with the Great Society programs that are rotting this country first rather than the ones people have been paying their whole lives into?

I'm talking about ObamaPhones, food stamps, federal housing, welfare, medicaid, etc

rather than going after popular, middle class entitlements like Social Security and MediCare.

or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually on SS and Medicare?

Ding ding ding!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (Ak/GS)

348 "Also, am I the only one here who think that Trump is saying to himself "OMG I can't believe this is happening?"

Personally, I can't believe it either. If you would have told me a year ago I would be supporting Trump, I would have denied it.

But... King Barack I and the Republican Party has brought this on themselves IMHO

The Burning Times are here, and Mr. Trump has the biggest torch.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 05:01 PM (AHDxb)"

I don't think so, he's been waiting for this, and I guess he saw enough weakness in our all star bench, and the other party, and his kids were ready to take over the company, so he took a shot at his third act in life.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 05:03 PM (n/ogz)

349 >>> Why should my paid-in future benefits get cut a dime when there is so much out-and-out thieving going on in DC?
...

Because there is no "lock box" or fund that you paid into. The money you paid in was paid out, primarily on interest payments for money borrowed to fund unfunded liabilities.

Yes. You were robbed. You stuff was sold at a pawn shop for pennies on the dollar, then resold to a crackhead who set it all on fire while he was on the nod. You can try to take the thief to court (if you had standing against the government, but you don't) and might even win. So, you will be left with attorney's fees, a lot of unpaid time off work, and a feeling of vindication while the thief pays you back 100% of what he has... nothing.

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 05:03 PM (71OEY)

350
And because of the Strutz's in the Congress who sold out Republican Voters

Absolutely,i think they more than sold out Republican Voters.They sold out the country with the Iran deal

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 11, 2016 05:03 PM (lKyWE)

351 How many Trump supporters who now insist that you must vote for Trump for no other reason than to stop Hillary had said they would never ever vote for Bush or never ever vote for Rubio?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (oqMTy)

I know I never said that, but what's your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 05:03 PM (Ozsfq)

352 The people at RedState really have gone off the rails.

I get Trump not being your ideal, he sure as hell isn't mine, but wow, some people really aren't taking this well.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 05:04 PM (N2hss)

353 344 Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 05:01 PM (Ozsfq)

Old hat rental tip....

only thing I put my foot down on really.

Well one time a pipe smoker used an SUV I rented for engineering work I think....

he used pipe-aroma reminded me of grandpa so I didn't complain.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:04 PM (g8Hfr)

354 There's an article on JihadWatch entitled "Hindu group asks gods to help Trump save humanity from Islamic terrorism."

So the Hindu vote is wrapped up?

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 11, 2016 05:05 PM (AHDxb)

355 "How many Trump supporters who now insist that you must vote for Trump for no other reason than to stop Hillary had said they would never ever vote for Bush or never ever vote for Rubio?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (oqMTy)"

eh.. I didn't want to vote for Bush, if given the choice of Sanders or Bush, I'd maybe have to think about it, just because I think Bernie is maybe more honest than most people in Washington. But I'd have voted for them against HRC, either of them. Rubio, I'd have less hesitation.

Hell, if they unbind the delegates and nominate Romney at the convention, I'd vote for him to stop Hillary.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 05:05 PM (n/ogz)

356 346 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (oqMTy)

Me....

Trump for all his faults has never:

a) put a gold medal on Hillary!

b) been Chuck Schumer's fluffer

and frankly throw in Chrispy Chreme

taken a long bromantic walk on the beach with flowers from Obama.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:06 PM (g8Hfr)

357 >>How many Trump supporters who now insist that you must vote for Trump
for no other reason than to stop Hillary had said they would never ever
vote for Bush or never ever vote for Rubio?

I'm not sure what your point is, either. I never said that, though the rationale is sound (in fact, voting for Trump is the only way to stop Hillary), and if I could pay you to simultaneously not vote for Trump and stop whining about it, I'd find a way to do so. A yooge amount.

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 05:06 PM (Bdeb0)

358 Anyone telling anyone else that they "have to" vote for someone is both an asshole and an idiot. We all have our own standards/principles. Pretending that someone disagreeing with you is necessarily, objectively, "wrong", is the bailiwick of Trigglypuffs.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 11, 2016 05:07 PM (2cS/G)

359 358 Posted by: Lincolntf at May 11, 2016 05:07 PM (2cS/G)

With a lot less F bombs, urinary accidents, and lard eating...

You don't have to do anything Linc...the nation arrived at this point by a lot of people doing nothing.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:08 PM (g8Hfr)

360 OT: just saw a video about the whole "gay cake baking thing."

Does anyone really want to eat cake baked by someone who was forced to bake for them? I mean, I'm polite to the drive-through folks for a similar reason...lessens the "foreign objects" hazard.

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 05:09 PM (Bdeb0)

361 How many Trump supporters who now insist that you must vote for Trump for no other reason than to stop Hillary had said they would never ever vote for Bush or never ever vote for Rubio?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck

The only candidate I openly considered voting 3rd party was if Jeb was the nominee, but even then, I would have almost certainly fallen in line.

My issue with Jeb was one thing: he made Amnesty the centerpiece of his campaign and I really do believe Amnesty is game over for the US. I can overlook "moves to the middle" but not Amnesty.

But everyone else running would have gotten my vote without question.

My problem with NeverTrump is most of the reasons I hear are more about personality issues or stupid conspiracy theories like Trump is secretly a closet Leftist that spent the last 8 years bashing Obama at every opportunity.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 05:10 PM (N2hss)

362 you clowns nominate Austin Peterson, I might at least give you a listen, but Gary Johnson? Please.

^^^

Man, I listen to Petersen and like what he's saying. Go look at the website, mmmmmm, good ideas.......until it gets to immigration. He doesn't call it open borders, says something like have Ellis Island centers with background and disease checks, but yeah it's open borders. And when it was pointed out to him that inviting the universe in combined with our welfare system is a recipe for disaster he went with, "illegals using benefits is a myth."

I would seriously consider trading off some on the immigration issue if (a) we could get it under control now including locking down the border so that if we were to implement some kind of Ellis Island system people coming in have no choice but to be funneled through those checks, and (b) we had a proven apparatus to actually do those background checks and screen out those that mean us harm (which we don't have right now, obviously), and (c) we either eliminate or drastically reduce entitlements, OR immigrants are forbidden from claiming them for a very extended number of years. Basically they have to be able to take care of themselves for a goodly period of time or else you're out.

That's the kind of "comprehensive reform" I'd be interested in. Otherwise, enforce the laws on the books and close the damn border.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 11, 2016 05:10 PM (KkVB6)

363 Sounds like everyone at the poker table won a couple of bucks.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 11, 2016 05:10 PM (oqMTy)

364 "My hat's off to you torquewrench. Where'd you get that statistic?"

Willowed, but:

$14K/student/year for K-12 in Commiefornia this fiscal year.

Citizen, immigrant, legal or illegal: fourteen large per kid every 365 days.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 11, 2016 05:11 PM (noWW6)

365 Jesus Fing Christ - get a doctor STAT

Posted by: Jeff E at May 11, 2016 05:11 PM (CE+s6)

366 "You want me to pay for your diabetes treatment?"

You already are, in a sense.

We can't get the Federal government out of healthcare. Ain't going to happen. And if you say you want to end ObamaCare you have to say that you won't let people die in the streets.

But the worst thing from a fiscal standpoint is forcing me to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control pills. (By the way, why don't I get free viagra). If Sandra had to pay, those pills would become cheaply available OTC.

Most of our spending goes to chronic illnesses. Expected increases in diabetes alone will break the bank. I'm not diabetic, but statistically we're all at risk, and of those with diabetes a quite sizeable share of their bill gets paid by the government. So why not try to rationalize it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 11, 2016 05:11 PM (r1fLd)

367 "... And if you don't help Trump, you're implicitly helping Hillary."
...

Funny. If I were talk to a Hillary supporter, they'd insist that not voting for either is a vote for Trump.

Funnier yet, this is the same bullshit that gets spouted by both sides every election season.

Here's what I think. I think people should start holding their candidate of choice accountable for not earning the support of people who chose not to vote for them or to not vote at all instead of running around blaming others for the flaws and failings of their chosen candidate.

Here's a tip- the person who wins is the one that people turn out to vote FOR. The person who inspires people to leave their home and give their support willingly and enthusiastically. The person who relies on their supporters to guilt trip and berate people to show up and who fails to inspire support or confidence always loses.

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 05:12 PM (71OEY)

368 If we're going to start cutting entitlements, can we at least start with the Great Society programs that are rotting this country first rather than the ones people have been paying their whole lives into?

I'm talking about ObamaPhones, food stamps, federal housing, welfare, medicaid, etc

rather than going after popular, middle class entitlements like Social Security and MediCare.

or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually on SS and Medicare?

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:58 PM (N2hss)

++++

OK, but look at the actual quote:
"I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid," Trump told The Daily Signal. "Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn't, they don't know what to do because they don't know where the money is. I do."

He did include Medicaid with SS and Medicare, but he didn't include all the rest of the things you are talking about. I wouldn't make any bets that welfare programs will be safe with a Trump presidency.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 11, 2016 05:13 PM (R+30W)

369 356
Trump for all his faults has never:
a) put a gold medal on Hillary!
b) been Chuck Schumer's fluffer
and frankly throw in Chrispy Chreme
taken a long bromantic walk on the beach with flowers from Obama.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:06 PM (g8Hfr)
----------------
Trump has, however,
a) contributed money to Hillary and her slush fund; contributed money to her sleazeball bagman, Terry McAuliffe; and had her at his wedding.
b) contributed money to Schumer
c) hugged the Obama-hugging fatboy and used him as a hit man.

So Joe Hallenbeck's question is still a good one.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:14 PM (T/5A0)

370 Thank God someone besides me is sane. It's bleak out there. Got it, Trump is an idiot, but Hillary is evil.

If you have to choose between herpes and syphilis, choose herpes.

Posted by: dagny at May 11, 2016 05:14 PM (UbIg6)

371 Most of our spending goes to chronic illnesses. Expected increases in diabetes alone will break the bank. I'm not diabetic, but statistically we're all at risk, and of those with diabetes a quite sizeable share of their bill gets paid by the government. So why not try to rationalize it.
Posted by: Ignoramus

I agree that conservatives could have taken the wind out of the sails of a single payer system by fixing some of the obvious cracks in the system. Like people with prexisting conditions. Put them on some special pool rather than EVERYONE being a a part of a government system.

I have a relative that was a loyal conservative that sold his business and developed a disease where he was paying about $100k a year just in insurance premiums. You have to have some answer for that person as that would bankrupt 99% of Americans.

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 05:16 PM (N2hss)

372 or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually on SS and Medicare?

Ding ding ding!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2016 05:02 PM (Ak/GS)

I think it's ridiculous we spend that much on illegal immigrants too, but you'll never balance the budget by cutting spending on them as opposed to reining in entitlements.

Here are a couple of fun exercises in making hard choices on the budget:

http://crfb.org/stabilizethedebt/#

http://www.federalbudgetchallenge.org/pages/overview

Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (V40IZ)

373 369 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:14 PM (T/5A0)

I must have missed Duh Donald being an elected Republican or career politician doing these things.

I'll put my early Trump rage against anybody's go back and look.

Trump is a corrupt idiot.

Hillary is a corrupt tyrant.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (g8Hfr)

374 Isn't herpes for life and syphilis is curable?

Or is it the other way around?

I'm married so all this "sex" stuff is a mystery to me.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (MY6Mq)

375 If you have to choose between herpes and syphilis, choose herpes.------dagny

I thought syphilis had a cure?

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (0x/TW)

376 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Hillary Clinton
praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the
Court, that the Second Amendment only protects the right of the people
to keep and bear arms when actively serving in an official state
militia...

Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Donald Trump praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the Court, that the Fifth Amendment allows government to seize anyone's private property and give it to private businesses, as long as those businesses promise to pay more in taxes....

Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 11, 2016 05:19 PM (Ztz0c)

377 362----That's the kind of "comprehensive reform" I'd be interested in. Otherwise, enforce the laws on the books and close the damn border.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at May 11, 2016 05:10 PM (KkVB6)
------------------------
Agree with every thing you said, including skepticism about ANY Libertarian's view on immigration.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:20 PM (T/5A0)

378 We HOPE that Trump is merely a corrupt idiot and not a corrupt idiot and tyrant.

OTOH, we KNOW Hillary is a kleptocrat tyrant.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 11, 2016 05:20 PM (0x/TW)

379
374 Isn't herpes for life and syphilis is curable?

Or is it the other way around?

I'm married so all this "sex" stuff is a mystery to me.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (MY6Mq)

Herpes flares up every once in a while, in angry, ugly, uncomfortable outbreaks. Kind of like the Clintons.

Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 11, 2016 05:20 PM (V40IZ)

380 If you have to choose between herpes and syphilis, choose herpes.
....

I chose abstinence.

Yup, not getting laid will suck but... neither is anyone else once it gets around that you all have herpes and syphillis.

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 05:21 PM (71OEY)

381
or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends
more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually
on SS and Medicare?

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:58 PM (N2hss)
this seems like a dubious assertion, I'm gonna require a cite for this

Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 11, 2016 05:21 PM (Ztz0c)

382 372 or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually on SS and Medicare?

_____________

I think it's ridiculous we spend that much on illegal immigrants too, but you'll never balance the budget by cutting spending on them as opposed to reining in entitlements.

g/pages/overview
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag

No "one thing" will fix it, but how about we start with getting rid of the people that aren't even supposed to be here?

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 05:21 PM (N2hss)

383
I don't think so, he's been waiting for this,
and I guess he saw enough weakness in our all star bench, and the other
party, and his kids were ready to take over the company, so he took a
shot at his third act in life. Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 05:03 PM (n/ogz)
=====

That is why I can't get all worked up about either DT or HC. We know that both have questionable advisors and questionable ethics. DT might be marginally more entertaining (The Three Wise Pompadors -- the Gold (Trump), Silver (Stone) and Bronze (Manafort)), but either one shows a deep contempt for flyover 'little people' and their quaint respect for the Constitution. The Republic does appear to be over.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 11, 2016 05:22 PM (MIKMs)

384 If you have to choose between herpes and syphilis, choose herpes.------dagny

Well...

If you have to choose between having Mumps as an adult, or-

Glioblastoma multiforme.

Choose the Mumps.

And that applies only if you can see absolutely nothing good about a Trump Presidency.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 11, 2016 05:23 PM (0cMkb)

385 Herpes flares up every once in a while, in angry, ugly, uncomfortable outbreaks. Kind of like the Clintons.
....

Excellent analogy.

Syphillis, on the other hand, if left untreated results in insanity and dangerous, irrational, and impulsive behavior due to permanent brain damage.

Coincidental, I'm sure.

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 05:25 PM (71OEY)

386 or how about the fact the US taxpayers spends
more money per illegal alien than we spend on people that are actually
on SS and Medicare?

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 04:58 PM (N2hss)
this seems like a dubious assertion, I'm gonna require a cite for this
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian

Google:
Obama spend $17,613 for every illegal alien

to see the article

Posted by: Killian at May 11, 2016 05:25 PM (N2hss)

387 373
I must have missed Duh Donald being an elected Republican or career politician doing these things.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (g8Hfr)
------------------
OK. I think that is a fair distinction to make.
Not enough to warrant I'd-never-vote-for-Bush-over-Hillary, IMO, but a fair distinction.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:26 PM (T/5A0)

388 Herpes flares up every once in a while, in angry, ugly, uncomfortable outbreaks. Kind of like the Clintons.-------Cody's Feed Bag

I hear duct tape helps with the flare ups.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 11, 2016 05:27 PM (uhftQ)

389 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Hillary Clinton

praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the

Court, that the Second Amendment only protects the right of the people

to keep and bear arms when actively serving in an official state

militia...

Welcome to the evening news. A post-operative shim defended itself maximally against a member of the Christian minority with a non-assault rifle for smiling while eating a hamburger. President Clinton convened the Black Supreme Court Laws Matter; the god-worshiper was broken on the wheel. In other news, LA is still submerged under melted polar ice cap runoff.

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 05:27 PM (Bdeb0)

390 Syphilis actually contributed to Randolph Churchill's death (father of Winston). Pretty bad stuff.

Posted by: General Zod at May 11, 2016 05:28 PM (Bdeb0)

391 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Donald Trump praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the Court, that the Fifth Amendment allows government to seize anyone's private property and give it to private businesses, as long as those businesses promise to pay more in taxes....
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 11, 2016 05:19 PM (Ztz0c)

You really should try to learn the facts before grinding that ax of yours

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 05:28 PM (Ozsfq)

392 must have missed Duh Donald being an elected Republican or career politician doing these things.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (g8Hfr)

------------------

OK. I think that is a fair distinction to make.

Not enough to warrant I'd-never-vote-for-Bush-over-Hillary, IMO, but a fair distinction.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:26 PM (T/5A0)
=====
And boasting about buying political power? Who is at fault, the whore or the john?

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 11, 2016 05:29 PM (MIKMs)

393
Lately I feel like the only person in the world who liked both Trump and Cruz, for different reasons. Both men had certain strengths and both had obvious weaknesses. Personally, I wanted Cruz. I voted for him in the primary. He has lost. I will now vote for Trump and even make calls or campaign for him. I feel like Ace does, in that I'm voting for somebody that might just drunk drive off a cliff, but I KNOW that Hilary will destroy everything she touches, do damage intentionally and shovel money offshore as fast as she can. Trump may do damage, but it won't be on purpose, it won't be malicious and I won't have to gouge out my eardrums listening to a harpy, shrill, hectoring voice for four years. And if the only thing he gets done is to build that damn wall, I will call that a wildly successful presidency.

Posted by: Biblio at May 11, 2016 05:29 PM (7o8VY)

394 392 Posted by: mustbequantum at May 11, 2016 05:29 PM (MIKMs)

The citizens of NY/NJ tolerating the graft machine.

I hate graft, a lot.

Don't hate the playa hate the game I guess.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 11, 2016 05:30 PM (g8Hfr)

395 Tell me about it, Ace!

I just went a few rounds at NRO over this on the Jonah Gildberg piece. (Only I compared it to being given a choice of a piece of iffy shoe leather or poison to keep from starving and choosing the poison. Which, ai pointed out, helps poison me, too.)

I was told by several: TRUMP IS AS BAD AS HILLARY.

I said I disagree.

Posted by: Alana at May 11, 2016 05:32 PM (I+CVg)

396 Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 11, 2016 05:17 PM (0x/TW)

I meant in a world without a cure. There is no cure for Trump or Hillary.

Posted by: dagny at May 11, 2016 05:33 PM (UbIg6)

397 >>>Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Hillary Clinton
praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the
Court, that the Second Amendment only protects the right of the people
to keep and bear arms when actively serving in an official state
militia...
....

You say this as if Trump's position on "assault" weapons bans has not been consistently identical to Clinton's and as if there is any reason that his appointment of his often lauded, liberal, gun grabbing sister would be an improvement over whatever liberal psycho Clinton dredges up.

Trump's stance on the 2nd Ammendment and his vocal and financial support of politicians has consistently been in line with the Schumer, both Clintons, and Gilibrand.

Posted by: Damiano at May 11, 2016 05:36 PM (71OEY)

398 "You really should try to learn the facts before grinding that ax of yours
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2016 05:28 PM"

Why? We are now in the Glorious Age of the Orange Messiah, who has based his entire campaign on fact-free bloviations, demented conspracy theories, and pernicious lies, all of which made his cultist fanbois all hot, bothered, and aflutter. Why are Trumpkins suddenly concerned with facts?

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 11, 2016 05:37 PM (CBPeh)

399 Welcome to the evening news. Our lead story: President Gary Johnson praised the ruling by the Supreme Court, led by the newest member of the Court, that a Jewish free-lance writer cannot refuse to write recruitment pamphlets for the American Nazi Party.
"Freedom of conscience and freedom of speech are fine," declared Johnson, "But not when they discriminate."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:38 PM (T/5A0)

400 FLASHBACK

Does the name "Craig Livingstone" ring a bell ?
Craig
Livingstone, who was "highly recommended" by Hillary Clinton to be
director of the White House's Office of Personnel Security, improperly
requested, and received from the FBI, background reports concerning
several hundred individuals without asking permission.

Posted by: unlawful Donald Segretti at May 11, 2016 05:38 PM (e8kgV)

401 I meant in a world without a cure. There is no cure for Trump or Hillary.------dagny

There is a cure for them. All you have to do is [CENSORED].

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 11, 2016 05:38 PM (uhftQ)

402 I am just curious. What if trump actually is more dangerous to the republic? What then?

Sorry, but while i understand others choices, they are not mine. Not voting for either.

May vote libertarian.

Posted by: JeffreyL at May 11, 2016 05:44 PM (M0TCd)

403 I'm with Ace. Much as I dislike and distrust Trump, I despise that lying POS Hilary. She and Slick Willie sold the US to the Chinese during his term as president. Don't for a single minute think they won't do it again. I swore I wouldn't vote in this election, but it is simply too important to keep Hilary out of the White House.

Posted by: catlady at May 11, 2016 05:45 PM (bn5b8)

404 402 I am just curious. What if trump actually is more dangerous to the republic? What then?

Posted by: JeffreyL at May 11, 2016 05:44 PM (M0TCd)
------------------------
He isn't --- because he would be accountable to the media, to Dems (BIRM,) and to his own party.

Hillary has never been held accountable for anything and she never will be.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 11, 2016 05:50 PM (T/5A0)

405 The answer to this dilemma is perfectly simple: there isn't one.

Nobody can predict the future with certainty, so which of these candidates would be the worse president is unknowable. It is also possible for both of them to be a disaster.
Which candidate you support for president, if any, is now a matter of opinion especially since Trump has chosen to be deliberately vague or flip-floppy.

There is no information upon which to base a decision that is reliably definitive.

Posted by: Matt_SE at May 11, 2016 05:51 PM (ECsmS)

406 Ace cuts to the chase...

Voting for Trump is marginally better than being burned to death by Hillary.

There is a meme there, LOL.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 11, 2016 05:52 PM (kBIIG)

407 "Clinton's and as if there is any reason that his appointment of his
often lauded, liberal, gun grabbing sister would be an improvement over
whatever liberal psycho Clinton dredges up."

Can we at least put this notion that he will nominate his sister to the court to bed? It's not ever going to happen, he was being complementary to a family member, it's the same thing as when Lott was railroaded for trying to say something nice to Strom Thurmond.

You want to criticize Trump, there is plenty, your other points on his past support and positions are valid, to take his comments on his sister as anything other than flattery is silly.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 05:55 PM (Lvw5m)

408 I am just curious. What if trump actually is more dangerous to the republic? What then?

Aside from how he's got opposition from the entire elite and media, you gotta think this through. Maybe, somehow, Trump is some horrible monster. Maybe?

But we know to absolute certainty that Hillary is. Without the possibility of doubt. Because she's proven it over and over and over when given any power at all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2016 05:55 PM (39g3+)

409 #NeverTrump
#AlwaysFlightyAndStrangeMinded

:-)

Posted by: GRD at May 11, 2016 06:02 PM (fB4v2)

410 Point of order:

You can cure early Syphilis now.

Nothing you can do about Herpes.

Posted by: AD at May 11, 2016 06:04 PM (VtV1E)

411 Ok, just checked out another NRO piece.

I've decided those people (a lot of them) aren't even conservative.

Some are saying they will vote for Hillary.

Never mind conservative; I don't even think they are intelligent.

It's like they are throwing a tantrum or something, and calling it "principle."

Posted by: Alana at May 11, 2016 06:05 PM (I+CVg)

412 410 Point of order:

You can cure early Syphilis now.

Nothing you can do about Herpes.
Posted by: AD at May 11, 2016 06:04 PM (VtV1E)

Well, I guess I should hit "refresh." It looks like that's gone a little off topic.

Posted by: AD at May 11, 2016 06:06 PM (VtV1E)

413 Nothing you can do about Herpes.

Yes and no. It's not curable, but it is treatable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at May 11, 2016 06:09 PM (rwI+c)

414 in many cases anyway.

Posted by: Grump928(C) forgets the qualifier at May 11, 2016 06:09 PM (rwI+c)

415

If you believe he'll build the wall, you should have no problems at all believing he'll appoint a conservative justice to the court.

Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 11, 2016 06:14 PM (V40IZ)

416 Deny Don-n-Hill 270 electoral votes and the House will decide the next president.

Not Donald or Hillary sounds pretty good at this juncture.

Posted by: say Sarah saw Six swiss wrist watches at May 11, 2016 06:22 PM (u5NuV)

417 Welcome to the dark side.

Posted by: Dogbert at May 11, 2016 06:49 PM (5AWQl)

418 "Deny Don-n-Hill 270 electoral votes and the House will decide the next president.

Not Donald or Hillary sounds pretty good at this juncture.

Posted by: say Sarah saw Six swiss wrist watches at May 11, 2016 06:22 PM (u5NuV)"I'm not saying you're one of them, maybe inferring a bit, but for all those who parroted the lie that Trump was "calling for riots" if the convention was contested, I find so many of them hoping for this.
This may be a constitutional mechanism, but in the current political climate, this would almost certainly be an absolute catastrophe that might end the republic. It would certainly be the end of the electoral college. It survived Bush/Gore (for now) it won't survive the current incarnation of the house, handpicking the next POTUS.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at May 11, 2016 06:54 PM (Lvw5m)

419 Never listened to Charlie Sykes show,but agree with this statement 100% -

" I mean a week ago tonight, remember, he was peddling the notion that Ted Cruz's dad had something do with the JFK assassination. So there are people who say that just because of party loyalty we're supposed to forget all of that. I just don't buy that. Because I've cautioned my fellow conservatives, you embrace Donald Trump, you embrace it all. You embrace every slur, every insult, every outrage, every falsehood. You're going to spend the next six months defending, rationalizing, evading all that. And afterwards, you come back to women, to minorities, to young people and say, that wasn't us. That's not what we're about. The reality is, if you support him to be president of the United States, that is who you are, and you own it. "

Posted by: Buy More Brawndo at May 11, 2016 06:56 PM (vaFpc)

420 My view is that we can turn against Mr. Trump the second he wins.

Posted by: Nobody at May 11, 2016 07:11 PM (J3UIw)

421 And just as I suspected all along.

Ace has no actual principles and will be a cock sucking trumpkin before you know it.

Posted by: Sad state of affairs at May 11, 2016 08:00 PM (h54oK)

422 What a day! Ace and I agree on something

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at May 11, 2016 08:27 PM (Je4OY)

423 Imagine this scenario; Obama takes the gig of hosting the Daily Show.

The Repubs wouldn't win an election for 30 years.

Of course, the Daily Show is something you have to do five days a week, so...

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at May 11, 2016 09:08 PM (kfoLf)

424 Trump is a DISGRACE that America has painted itself up as on holloween during a short horror story movie. Hillary and Bernie GENUINELY DESIRE an America, as an identity itself that disgraces us all.

I don't know if I will vote Trump in the general, I'm willing to get my micrometers of evil and place my ingots on scale of dishonor to consider Trump.

But EVERY FUCKING IDIOT! Who would rather hoot and hollar for a loudmouth who has no thought in their head that can last till the next phone interview from campaign financed luxury, BTW, I bet all of his "self funding" was offered as a "loan" which will eventually be paid, TO TRUMP with INTEREST, with your donations.

YOU FUCKING IDIOTS! who, IN A PRIMARY wore yourselves out being proud of what you have accomplished, will look at the lack of girth your actual "victory" is more "Pyrrhic," than "Priapic." You FUCKING LAZY SELFISH EGO SERVING TARDS!

The ONLY reason I "Might" vote for your guy? is to destroy them both, and especially him.

My prediction, first encumbent elected to be primaried in re-election since. . . . . When?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 11, 2016 09:18 PM (wdvFT)

425

That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing to drive drunk, or that my
previous warnings about drunk driving were baseless or feigned.

It just means I don't want to be burned to death by Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Ace at 03:49 PM

Who is more drunk...Hillary or Trump?

Posted by: Mimzey at May 11, 2016 10:13 PM (aRUb8)

426 Wise take. Hillary Clinton is evil, Donald Trump could be. One of those two things are known.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 11, 2016 10:16 PM (pq97T)

427 I289 If you're voting for Trump because you calculate that he's likely to be better than Hillary... cool. But don't tell me what he is or isn't going to do, because you don't have any fucking idea what he's going to do.

Ahh yeah...the first part... That's what the vast majority of the Trump supporters that visit your site have been saying all along. Sad you had to alienate a large percentage of your audience. You've done irreparable damage to your credibility.

Posted by: jacke at May 11, 2016 11:29 PM (i8Shl)

428 I'll take four years of Hillary over one day of trump.

Posted by: SGT York at May 12, 2016 03:33 AM (ITvKk)

429 Both are Big Government authoritarians.
Both want to abuse power and increase the size & scope of Government.

I see 3 ways to look at this:

1) Hillary knows Government better, so she knows how and where to abuse power; so she'll be worse.

2) Hillary knows where the line is on what she CAN get away with. Trump is an unhinged loon without limits, making Trump actually a worse choice as he doesn't believe his power should ever be limited.

3) you're asking me if I want Cyanide or Strychnine ... if you're going to poison me; don't expect me to play along and help. Go F*** yourself for asking me to help kill me when I die either way I choose.

I'm personally in camp #3...
If forced to choose between #1 and #2, I'd lean slightly to #2, but I don't know for sure that #1 isn't correct.

"You've done irreparable damage to your credibility.
Posted by: jacke at May 11, 2016 11:29 PM (i8Shl)"

Sorry jacke; I don't see that claim as more credible than claim #2.

Posted by: gekkobear at May 12, 2016 10:43 AM (kq7Of)

430 If it's so important to beat Hillary, then perhaps the logic chain should have started with selecting a nominee who isn't hated by three quarters of all Americans.

Who knows, perhaps I'll be wrong. Won't be the first time or the last.

But as long as every third comment supporting Trump has the "cuck" white power nonsense in it, you can count me out.

Posted by: DriveBy at May 12, 2016 01:10 PM (C9Vc8)

431 "Am I still concerned about Trump's impulsiveness? Yes.

Am I still concerned that he's not psychologically fit to be President? Yes.

Am I still worried about his thirst to use his power to squelch critics? Yes.

But Hillary Clinton is two of those things -- instead of being impulsive, she's a calculating, dogmatic liar in the service of Cultural Marxism Worldwide, Inc."

My feelings exactly. I was for Trump early, initially to see if he could take out Jeb, Rubio et al, and later seeing what he could do to them, I'm dying to to see him give Hillary the full treatment in the general. In the course of it all the same reservations you cite developed, leaving with the same conclusion.

Trump/Martinez '16

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 12, 2016 02:00 PM (kfcYC)

432 9 Had Trump not come along, the winner wouldn't have been Cruz. It would have been Jeb or maybe Katshit.

So for the Cruzers out there.....get that shit through your heads. Trump didn't prevent Cruz from winning, Trump allowed Cruz to get more than the 8% he would have got otherwise.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

That's my reading. Without Trump it would have been Jeb Pledgebreaker.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 12, 2016 02:02 PM (kfcYC)

433 Nevertrumper's should make certain to vote this election because if Hillary gets in and processes 50 million amnesties (the 12 million in the US now plus 4 years worth of one-way passengers on the new high speed rail system from South America), you may as well plan to never vote again.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 12, 2016 02:07 PM (kfcYC)

434 251 "Not even Ronald Reagan went near cutting entitlements like Social Security and MediCare.

If that's how you judge a candidate's conservatism, you're never going to find a Republican worthy of your support. "

U.S. debt-$19 trillion
U.S. GDP-$17 trillion

And nobody is really going to do anything about it in either main party. Too much momentum, you'll get politically filleted by the media for trying anything, and, it's going to take us right off the cliff.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill

Let's see after some serious economic growth and cuts to the real sh!t whether and how much SS and Medicare need cutting.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 12, 2016 02:11 PM (kfcYC)

435
197 What you guys are doing, convincing yourselves--without a lick of proof--that Hillary is worse by definition just plays into Trump's hand. You're saying you'll fall in line no matter what he promises to Sanders' loonies.

You're not pushing him to learn conservatism or even give lip service, you're anointing a pig in a poke because you saw the pig on the TV. And what did you get in return for this?

Posted by: spongeworthy

All good points. Nevertheless, Neverhillary.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 12, 2016 02:13 PM (kfcYC)

436 23 I'm not especially happy with Candidate Trump, but that doesn't mean that Hillary has ceased being a deadly threat to the Republic.

I wasn't especially happy with having a colonoscope shoved up my ass in room with five spectators but it was better than cancer.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)

You looked pretty happy from where I was standing.

Posted by: One of 5 Spectators at May 12, 2016 02:16 PM (kfcYC)

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