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Ben Sasse Open Letter: Doesn't the Country Deserve Better Than These Two Terrible Candidates?
1.Allah seems to take the position that if this is what American has chosen, why shouldn't it get it, good and hard? But Sasse's point is that much of America didn't choose these two, and that part of America is not duty-bound to follow the folly of others. If there are still things permitted to be done -- like run a third party challenge -- why should they not be done? The usual math on this is that a third party run would be disastrous and would deliver the election to Hillary. Many #NeverTrumpers, and I'm edging into that group myself, find this a weak objection in this case: Trump himself will inevitably be demolished, so there's no threat of "throwing the election." It already has been thrown. Second, Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism. Everything with him is force and bullying. Riots at the convention if he doesn't get his way. His online trolls actively threatening people's physical safety. I don't get it -- I'm supposed to be outraged by Lois Lerner, yet amused by this? Why? Because this will only be visited upon my enemies? First, that's not principled, that's just stupid tribalism,, and second, it's not true -- the gentle persuasions of authoritarian You Will Be Made to Buckle are already being visited on us, and by "us," I mean non-Democrats. I personally didn't oppose the thuggishness of the left just to be bullied by a new thuggishness of the alt-right. Some alt-righter (I imagine) drifted in to the comments -- a n00b -- to say "Wow this site is really spineless." No, this site is showing spine -- by resisting your attempts to bend spines for Trump. Apparently "courage" is now defined, alt-rightishly, as buckling to the right set of pressures and bullyings. So the fire of my usual resistance to a third party is well snuffed by the two facts of our situation: 1, Trump's going to lose anyway, so we might as well have a 3rd party that can at least represent a moral... well, not victory, for it will not be victorious, but let's say a moral route of resistance. And 2, My primary politics is anti-authoritarian. I don't like the left because they wish to be meddlesome in private economic affairs, dictatorial as to what you can do with your wealth (you can only spend you money on government-approved activities that support social justice) and increasingly fascist when it comes to speech and belief. Many of Trump's supporters are authoritarians -- not all, mind you, some just want the wall, or to "teach DC a lesson" -- but many are thrilled by the Second Look at Authoritarianism Trump promises. The left has similarly become thrilled and dizzy at the idea of just forcing people to knuckle under. You can see how intoxicating a drug this is in the obesely fat and stupid TrigglyPuff's rantings and pendulations. The power to force people to do what you want them to do is a powerful elixir, especially for people who feel no power over others in their own lives, or even over their own lives. And this is what I most resist in leftist politics -- not the minimum wage per se, but the notion that the government can and should dictate to people what arrangements they make in private employment. Not free birth control per se, but the repulsive idea tha the government will force people to buy birth control for others -- even if that is against their own private covenants with the Lord God. About seven months ago I noticed, and said on the blog: Trump never talks about limiting the power of government, or freedom. Never. He's Government Action Man-- the government can do and do and do for "the people." That's not some minor ideological complaint. That's not some esoteric bit of political dogma. I don't want any masters in my life. One could argue, I think accurately, that "success" in society is largely dictated by how few masters and overlords you have weighing down your freedom of action. That's why money is so closely linked to success -- the more money, the more F.U. money, the fewer masters and overlords. But money is just a tool by which we purchase freedom of action and freedom from interference. I'm very reluctant to vote affirmatively for a new tax on my myself -- an new tax on my freedom. I'm very, very reluctant to vote for someone who seems to think that America needs to become a Trumpmerica Inc. with him at the top issuing orders through George and Don Jr. which eventually trickle down to me, the drudge, on the factory floor. Do not want. Authoritarianism is just a version of collectivism. Or, more accurately: It is the version of collectivism, for every authoritarian needs be a collectivist, and every collectivist needs be an authoritarian. I'm not saying I definitely couldn't support Trump -- it would depend on which of these tinpot authoritarians wished to control me less. They both want to control me, but we'll see who promises to control me less. Trump could earn my vote, by finally understanding other people's aspirations to not have a second boss in their lives called The US Government. But so far he has proven highly resistant to learning of any kind. Until he does, count me in with Ben Sasse as being interested in a third party, one that will leave me the hell alone. Or at least that would leave me the hell alone more than the other alternatives.
Washington isn't fooling anyone -- Neither political party works. They bicker like children about tiny things, and yet they can’t even identify the biggest issues we face.... I signed up for the Party of Abraham Lincoln -- and I will work to reform and restore the GOP -- but let’s tell the plain truth that right now both parties lack vision. 2.
As a result, normal Americans don’t like either party. If you ask Americans if they identify as Democrat or Republican, almost half of the nation interrupts to say: "Neither." 3.
Young people despise the two parties even more than the general electorate. And why shouldn’t they?.... 4.
Our problems are huge right now, but one of the most obvious is that we’ve not passed along the meaning of America to the next generation. If we don’t get them to re-engage -- thinking about how we defend a free society in the face of global jihadis, or how we balance our budgets after baby boomers have dishonestly over-promised for decades, or how we protect First Amendment values in the face of the safe-space movement – then all will indeed have been lost. One of the bright spots with the rising generation, though, is that they really would like to rethink the often knee-jerk partisanship of their parents and grandparents. We should encourage this rethinking. 5.
These two national political parties are enough of a mess that I believe they will come apart. It might not happen fully in 2016 -- and I’ll continue fighting to revive the GOP with ideas -- but when people’s needs aren’t being met, they ultimately find other solutions. 6.
In the history of polling, we’ve basically never had a candidate viewed negatively by half of the electorate. This year, we have two. In fact, we now have the two most unpopular candidates ever -- Hillary by a little, and Trump by miles (including now 3 out of 4 women -- who vote more and influence more votes than men). There are dumpster fires in my town more popular than these two "leaders." 7.
With Clinton and Trump, the fix is in. Heads, they win; tails, you lose. Why are we confined to these two terrible options? This is America. If both choices stink, we reject them and go bigger. That's what we do. 8.
Remember: our Founders didn’t want entrenched political parties. So why should we accept this terrible choice? 9.
So...let’s have a thought experiment for a few weeks: Why shouldn’t America draft an honest leader who will focus on 70% solutions for the next four years? You know...an adult?
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Very interesting, also the Legal Insurrection piece on its contributors stance very thoughtful.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 05, 2016 11:55 AM (dQJCS)
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It seems to me that many Republicans are more excited to lose with dignity than to lower themselves by winning with the support of "those people." I'm finding myself less and less attached to that position as time goes by.
Posted by: Jake (not officially a regular) at May 05, 2016 11:57 AM (FDQm8)
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It rings hollow coming from a guy who didn't join Mike Lee in endorsing and campaigning for Cruz.
I know people are desperate for heroes, but I'm not sure how Ben Sasse qualifies.
I know people are desperate for heroes, but I'm not sure how Ben Sasse qualifies.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 11:57 AM (t5zYU)
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Wordy.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 11:57 AM (ZcEXv)
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Yeah ... no.
Not going 3rd party
Not going 3rd party
Posted by: @votermom's phone at May 05, 2016 11:58 AM (it42f)
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Interesting to see who the third party candidate would be.
Posted by: kathysaysso at May 05, 2016 11:58 AM (43OZ6)
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So very very boned.
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 11:58 AM (evdj2)
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If Trump and the Hilldamonster are my choices, I'll pull the lever for Trump. It's an easy decision.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 11:59 AM (8ZskC)
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O/T ace, go out and grab a Chick-fil-A sammich and a hate shake for lunch.
Your mayor wants them boycotted again.
Back on topic, Sasse claims it's not too late for someone to come out and campaign heavily for the next six months.
I dunno. Seems farfetched.
Your mayor wants them boycotted again.
Back on topic, Sasse claims it's not too late for someone to come out and campaign heavily for the next six months.
I dunno. Seems farfetched.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 11:59 AM (FsuaD)
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>>>It rings hollow coming from a guy who didn't join Mike Lee in endorsing and campaigning for Cruz.
I know people are desperate for heroes, but I'm not sure how Ben Sasse qualifies.
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i don't have heroes. I just took his call for a third party as interesting and worth thinking about.
David Frum's obviously no hero of mine (remember how he attacked Breitbart days after his death) but he frequently makes a point worth thinking about.
I know people are desperate for heroes, but I'm not sure how Ben Sasse qualifies.
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i don't have heroes. I just took his call for a third party as interesting and worth thinking about.
David Frum's obviously no hero of mine (remember how he attacked Breitbart days after his death) but he frequently makes a point worth thinking about.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (dciA+)
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I saw Black Diamonds open for Crap Candidates, AoSHQ, 2016
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Trump Train at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (10hEu)
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Neither political party works. They bicker like children about tiny things...
Such as?
Why do I get the idea Ben Sasse thinks opposing obamacare or opposing a debt ceiling hike is a "tiny thing?"
No, Ben Sasse, the problem with the GOP is they do not oppose the Left on anything.
Neither political party works. They bicker like children about tiny things...
Such as?
Why do I get the idea Ben Sasse thinks opposing obamacare or opposing a debt ceiling hike is a "tiny thing?"
No, Ben Sasse, the problem with the GOP is they do not oppose the Left on anything.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (h+IVw)
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The "authoritarianism" of Trump is vastly over stated, mainly by people that know better and just want something to hang their hat on.
Trump has said things like he wants more scrutiny on the media for slander and libel. Something most Western countries have already.
Or that he said there would be "riots" at the Convention if it were stripped away. People use the colloquial term "riots" when people are upset all the time. It doesn't mean Trump is going to actively direct his supporters to start throwing Molotov cocktails.
Real authoritarianism is someone ordering a film maker to be arrested because it wasn't politically correct. Hillary has already done that.
Trump has said things like he wants more scrutiny on the media for slander and libel. Something most Western countries have already.
Or that he said there would be "riots" at the Convention if it were stripped away. People use the colloquial term "riots" when people are upset all the time. It doesn't mean Trump is going to actively direct his supporters to start throwing Molotov cocktails.
Real authoritarianism is someone ordering a film maker to be arrested because it wasn't politically correct. Hillary has already done that.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (C6cBW)
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I'll have some of what Ben Sasse is smoking.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 12:01 PM (8ZskC)
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Back on topic, Sasse claims it's not too late for someone to come out and campaign heavily for the next six months.
Yeah, who would that be? I see no white knights arriving at the pivotal moment.
Yeah, who would that be? I see no white knights arriving at the pivotal moment.
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 12:01 PM (evdj2)
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7 So very very boned.
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Most of the country (flyover mainly) has been boned for years. So, they figure, why shouldn't everyone have a chance at it.
Hence Trump.
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Most of the country (flyover mainly) has been boned for years. So, they figure, why shouldn't everyone have a chance at it.
Hence Trump.
Posted by: Roy at May 05, 2016 12:01 PM (VndSC)
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There is that notion that Trump is running third party as a Republican. But I get that that is not the third party you have in mind.
There is that notion that Trump is running third party as a Republican. But I get that that is not the third party you have in mind.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 12:01 PM (pC96u)
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So, I can count on your vote?
Posted by: Gary Johnson at May 05, 2016 12:01 PM (YEelc)
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Crap. An LGF thread. I'm out.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 12:01 PM (Fmupd)
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Once again...who?
Posted by: tu3031 at May 05, 2016 12:02 PM (YFFpo)
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I am interested in a second party and making the GOP the third or zero party.
Posted by: Dave at May 05, 2016 12:02 PM (hm8tW)
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Yep. A thug is a thug whether his armband is red or brown. Rule of law, not rule of mob.
Posted by: joncelli, putting that thought in your head at May 05, 2016 12:02 PM (RD7QR)
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Yeah, You Guys, what Ace Johnson said is right!! I'm sure the Founding Fathers, rather than doing the H.L. Mencken thingie in 1775, would've preferred to just, oh, I don't know, politely and demurely allow the British to just tax the shit out of 'em until at least 1939.......
Posted by: RNC/GOPe Johnson at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (lmPMy)
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While I like Take Ben Sasse's Money, great show, I find this less than convincing.
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders who we are talking about at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (evdj2)
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No, Ben Sasse, the problem with the GOP is they do not oppose the Left on anything.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (h+IVw)
Recall that last year, we had a gigantic debate in DC about defunding Planned Parenthood.
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (h+IVw)
Recall that last year, we had a gigantic debate in DC about defunding Planned Parenthood.
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (dpnZC)
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Very well said.
At this point, the one hope I feel we have if it's Hillary v. Trump, is that brief glint of a chance that Trump gets into office, has the right people in his ear and sees the honest populist outrage at DC (not the faux outrage portrayed by the media,) and starts smashing things.
Will it happen? No. He'll deal with those who want to force their will on us, and we will have their will further forced on us.
But at least there's ONE hope I can see on the horizon, even if it's a .001% probability kind of hope.
Heck, even if Trump listens to something conservative-esque on only judges it would be a huge win at this point.
It would be nice if a third party run could actually win in a 40-35-25 vote split kind of way. But that's not happening with this media.
At this point, the one hope I feel we have if it's Hillary v. Trump, is that brief glint of a chance that Trump gets into office, has the right people in his ear and sees the honest populist outrage at DC (not the faux outrage portrayed by the media,) and starts smashing things.
Will it happen? No. He'll deal with those who want to force their will on us, and we will have their will further forced on us.
But at least there's ONE hope I can see on the horizon, even if it's a .001% probability kind of hope.
Heck, even if Trump listens to something conservative-esque on only judges it would be a huge win at this point.
It would be nice if a third party run could actually win in a 40-35-25 vote split kind of way. But that's not happening with this media.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (WuRdh)
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Anyone who is serious about a 3rd Party can only be serious if they are actually 4 Parties in the Electoin:
1) The R Candidate they hate
2) The R Candidate they are in love with
3) The D Candidate they Hate
4) The D Candidate they are in love with
THEN have a go at it. Then it's a level playing field and go right ahead and have a go at it.
1) The R Candidate they hate
2) The R Candidate they are in love with
3) The D Candidate they Hate
4) The D Candidate they are in love with
THEN have a go at it. Then it's a level playing field and go right ahead and have a go at it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (V/InG)
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (e8ge6)
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"or how we balance our budgets after baby boomers have dishonestly over-promised for decades,"
Ok, I'm convinced, where do I sign up for my ritual seppuku? Can I get away with a public apology for being born in '46 and just take the ritual shaming?
I can't do stoop labor in the rice fields any more. Is there some other kind if penance I can do?
Ok, I'm convinced, where do I sign up for my ritual seppuku? Can I get away with a public apology for being born in '46 and just take the ritual shaming?
I can't do stoop labor in the rice fields any more. Is there some other kind if penance I can do?
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (yetlQ)
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>>>There are dumpster fires in my town more popular than these two "leaders."<<<
But are there gold plated dumpster fires?! No. Because you live in a town that's not classy. A really, really, unclassy, horrible town. Sad!
But are there gold plated dumpster fires?! No. Because you live in a town that's not classy. A really, really, unclassy, horrible town. Sad!
Posted by: D. Trump at May 05, 2016 12:04 PM (H9MG5)
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Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (C6cBW)
Oh look, excusing away Trump's authoritarian comments by pointing to Team Blue and say "see? that authoritarianism is WORSE!"
they're both authoritarian dickheads
Oh look, excusing away Trump's authoritarian comments by pointing to Team Blue and say "see? that authoritarianism is WORSE!"
they're both authoritarian dickheads
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (dpnZC)
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Once again...who?
Someone who can "work with both sides of the aisle."
Someone who can "get things done." A moderate who can unite the country and not alienate large swaths of the electorate with outdated ideals.
Ben Sasse likes the status quo, he just doesn't like all the flack the GOP is getting for going along with the program.
Once again...who?
Someone who can "work with both sides of the aisle."
Someone who can "get things done." A moderate who can unite the country and not alienate large swaths of the electorate with outdated ideals.
Ben Sasse likes the status quo, he just doesn't like all the flack the GOP is getting for going along with the program.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (h+IVw)
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"Neither political party works. They bicker like children about tiny things... "
This isn't what drove people to Trump. "Bickering" is the establishment view of what ordinary Americans criticize about politics. IF ONLY THEY WOULD BICKER.
What drove ordinary Americans to Trump is that ordinary Americans got tired of being sass-raped over and over and over by a GOP who cares nothing about anything but its own comfort and perpetuation.
You can't proposed to fix a problem if you don't diagnose it correctly, Ben.
This isn't what drove people to Trump. "Bickering" is the establishment view of what ordinary Americans criticize about politics. IF ONLY THEY WOULD BICKER.
What drove ordinary Americans to Trump is that ordinary Americans got tired of being sass-raped over and over and over by a GOP who cares nothing about anything but its own comfort and perpetuation.
You can't proposed to fix a problem if you don't diagnose it correctly, Ben.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (8ZskC)
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You know, it's funny that the same people that say Trump has zero chance of beating Hillary are going to the ends of the Earth to try and do everything they can to torpedo Trump's chances. They don't seem to believe their own analysis.
Obviously a 3rd Party is not going to win the White House, this is done purely as a form of sabotage because they want to insure Hillary wins.
So we now have conservatives collaborating with the Left because Trump rubs them the wrong way.
The masks are definitely slipping.
Obviously a 3rd Party is not going to win the White House, this is done purely as a form of sabotage because they want to insure Hillary wins.
So we now have conservatives collaborating with the Left because Trump rubs them the wrong way.
The masks are definitely slipping.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (C6cBW)
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This Union can never be healed. The majority wants a cradle to hammock support system and the political class wants their votes to support the Family Business.
Secede for Texas Independence.
Secede for Texas Independence.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (Eyx+b)
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You know, many of said this site's comments went drastically downhill when we got the influx of people fleeing LGF.
If you don't like it, improve both of our lives -- LEAVE.
If you don't like it, improve both of our lives -- LEAVE.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (dciA+)
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Someone who can "work with both sides of the aisle."
Someone who can "get things done." A moderate who can unite the
country and not alienate large swaths of the electorate with outdated
ideals.
Kinda like Donald "I'm open to raising the minimum wage" Trump?
Someone who can "get things done." A moderate who can unite the
country and not alienate large swaths of the electorate with outdated
ideals.
Kinda like Donald "I'm open to raising the minimum wage" Trump?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (dpnZC)
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The masks are definitely slipping.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (C6cBW)
The masks have been off for a long time
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (C6cBW)
The masks have been off for a long time
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (V/InG)
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Ace's house, his rules. Some of us may not agree with him; but he's a good writer, he thinks his positions through . . . and he hated the same-plot, same scenes remake of the new Star Wars movie. That's enough for me.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (f4Woz)
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Welcome to my stance circa 2010.
Of course, it's probably too late now. It always seems to be when everyone else catches up.
Of course, it's probably too late now. It always seems to be when everyone else catches up.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (9krrF)
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Paul Ryan is a great guy for uniting the parties. Let's vote for that fucker. Again.
Posted by: NCKate at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (4bHkw)
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But Sasse's point is that much of America didn't choose these two, and that part of America is not duty-bound to follow the folly of others.
Sounds great in theory. Harder to put in actual practice.
I've never agreed to many things the "other side" did, but had to suck it up.
Sounds great in theory. Harder to put in actual practice.
I've never agreed to many things the "other side" did, but had to suck it up.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (6hZFv)
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Obviously a 3rd Party is not going to win the White House, this is done
purely as a form of sabotage because they want to insure Hillary wins.
wrong, buddy - some of us will be voting 3rd party because neither major party candidate has earned our affirmative support.
I want both Trump and Hillary to lose.
purely as a form of sabotage because they want to insure Hillary wins.
wrong, buddy - some of us will be voting 3rd party because neither major party candidate has earned our affirmative support.
I want both Trump and Hillary to lose.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (dpnZC)
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PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
And what of principle? What of goddam humanity?
Are these, too, tiny things?
By the way, what was the outcome of that "huge debate" last year?
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
And what of principle? What of goddam humanity?
Are these, too, tiny things?
By the way, what was the outcome of that "huge debate" last year?
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (h+IVw)
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Why is the talk of third parties always now about creating a new one?
There are several that exist, and the one on the right (mostly, I guess) with probably the most robust organization (for what it's worth) is the Libertarian Party.
I know that we may want a choice in our candidate if we're rejecting Trump and Hillary, but it just seems that if we're going to look at going third party (especially if we think it's a protest and little else) then why not elevate a party that already exists and that we largely agree with?
I'll say this: I don't always agree with the Republican Party's stated positions, and I don't always agree on the Libertarian Party's positions. However, the Libertarian Party has grown closer to my views (or my views have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican Party's views have grown away from mine.
At the moment, the Libertarian Party's positions are closer to mine than the Republican Party's, and if we have another third party headed by someone hand picked by Bill Kristol, then that third party could be even further from me than either of my previously mentioned options.
There are several that exist, and the one on the right (mostly, I guess) with probably the most robust organization (for what it's worth) is the Libertarian Party.
I know that we may want a choice in our candidate if we're rejecting Trump and Hillary, but it just seems that if we're going to look at going third party (especially if we think it's a protest and little else) then why not elevate a party that already exists and that we largely agree with?
I'll say this: I don't always agree with the Republican Party's stated positions, and I don't always agree on the Libertarian Party's positions. However, the Libertarian Party has grown closer to my views (or my views have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican Party's views have grown away from mine.
At the moment, the Libertarian Party's positions are closer to mine than the Republican Party's, and if we have another third party headed by someone hand picked by Bill Kristol, then that third party could be even further from me than either of my previously mentioned options.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (rJSDb)
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Fine. Whatever. There was plenty of impetus and plenty of interest in a "great white third party" months ago.
So now it's possible. Now it's the answer?
This is one crazy ass election cycle with a heap of irrational reationalizations for being offended.
This is the same damned process that has been in place and in practice for decades and now suddenly it's an outrage because not everybody selected the candidate?
Yeah. I want a third party. More - I want the GOP AND the Democrat party to disappear. We could have backed that idea from the get go. I did.
It just seems like there is no end to trying to get Clinton elected at any cost. Suddenly, with no time to do it right, we're offended that everyone is not as smart as we are so we'll stomp up and down and select some savior on a whim.
Fine. The country is over with anyway.
So now it's possible. Now it's the answer?
This is one crazy ass election cycle with a heap of irrational reationalizations for being offended.
This is the same damned process that has been in place and in practice for decades and now suddenly it's an outrage because not everybody selected the candidate?
Yeah. I want a third party. More - I want the GOP AND the Democrat party to disappear. We could have backed that idea from the get go. I did.
It just seems like there is no end to trying to get Clinton elected at any cost. Suddenly, with no time to do it right, we're offended that everyone is not as smart as we are so we'll stomp up and down and select some savior on a whim.
Fine. The country is over with anyway.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (4ng05)
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The Bush's are also withholding support for Trump. I'm not sure how much that will hurt him though.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (0sLvz)
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If Trump and the Hilldamonster are my choices, I'll pull the lever for Trump. It's an easy decision.
Posted by: Cicero
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Same here.
It is a drowning man grasping at a sword, but there it is.
Posted by: Cicero
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Same here.
It is a drowning man grasping at a sword, but there it is.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (9mTYi)
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Heh, I am a 100% rube, I thought he was in Fremont, Ohio, which is also farm country, and could supply all those quotes. 
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (ry4ab)
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soona, GOPe guy calling me "Ace Johnson,"
I can help you leave if you find it hard to move out of the nest.
Their are happier homes for you out there at Gateway Pundit and Sean Hannity's radio show comment area, I'm sure.
Find your "non-LGF bliss."
Again, I can help you do it. I can help you make a move that will be happier for us both.
I can help you leave if you find it hard to move out of the nest.
Their are happier homes for you out there at Gateway Pundit and Sean Hannity's radio show comment area, I'm sure.
Find your "non-LGF bliss."
Again, I can help you do it. I can help you make a move that will be happier for us both.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (dciA+)
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I want both Trump and Hillary to lose.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (dpnZC)
I want to catch a leprechaun but I'm still saving money for retirement.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (dpnZC)
I want to catch a leprechaun but I'm still saving money for retirement.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (8ZskC)
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Kinda like Donald "I'm open to raising the minimum wage" Trump?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (dpnZC)
A) he never said he would raise it, just look at it
B) and do you have any idea how few people are effected by the Federal Minimum wage?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:06 PM (dpnZC)
A) he never said he would raise it, just look at it
B) and do you have any idea how few people are effected by the Federal Minimum wage?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (V/InG)
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This Union can never be healed. The majority wants a cradle to hammock support system and the political class wants their votes to support the Family Business.
Secede for Texas Independence.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam
Seconded. All in favor, say "Aye".
Aye.
Secede for Texas Independence.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam
Seconded. All in favor, say "Aye".
Aye.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (6hZFv)
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I'm writing in Mr. Sec Ession.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (HWLn9)
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However, the Libertarian Party has grown closer to my views (or my views
have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican
Party's views have grown away from mine.
That is where I am at.
have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican
Party's views have grown away from mine.
That is where I am at.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (dpnZC)
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Here in Canada, we saw our establishment "conservative" crap the bed so badly in the 80's that it spawned a 3rd party.
That led to 15 yrs of Liberal rule, but in the end it also led to a stronger more unified and more conservative option to the left wing parties.
Imagine a situation where a 3rd party does get in, leading to 4 years of utter gridlock in Washington. That might not be so bad... If government can't get rolled back, limiting ongoing growth is second best.
That led to 15 yrs of Liberal rule, but in the end it also led to a stronger more unified and more conservative option to the left wing parties.
Imagine a situation where a 3rd party does get in, leading to 4 years of utter gridlock in Washington. That might not be so bad... If government can't get rolled back, limiting ongoing growth is second best.
Posted by: Kevin Canuck at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (Hlv/w)
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Until he does, count me in with Ben Sasse as being interested in a third party, one that will leave me the hell alone.
I would find Sasse's positions more persuasive and his advocacy of the same more credible had he not gleefully joined in on the Unpeopling of Trump supporters.
You know what's been very painful for me throughout this primary season? Having the mirror held up and my having to take a very long and very hard look at my own actions and attitudes and realizing that I was engaging in the exact same type of vituperation and dehumanizing that I hate when done to me. That hurt. That continues to hurt. No one, least of all me, likes confronting the ugliness in themselves.
I've been around here a long time. I've said some terrible things. I'm sure to say more in the future.
But I will not be a part of this lowest possible level of Unpeopling others. I will not.
Sen. Sasse chose, on his own, to go down the mocking path. Fine. But I am thus free to evaluate just who he is and what he is espousing when he does so.
I'm sorry but Trump is not so incredibly awful that any and all actions taken in opposition to him are thuis excused. No. No no no no nononono.
I believe in the rights and dignity of the individual. I believe that castigating those who do not fall in line with my each and every view as being subhumans who are incapable of sentience merely due to their opposition to my views is abominable. I believe that taking an entire group, be they moderate Republicans or the most ardent Trump supporters, and reducing their very being to cutesy nicknames is intellectually barren. I believe that Unpeople is very more wrong when done by the Right than by the Left since, after all, the Right at least makes mouth noises towards the value of the individual qua individual rather than merely a data point in a group.
So I'm out.
I'm not doing it.
I won't support those who do it.
I'm sorry, I'm truly sorry from the bottom of the heart that I do, in fact, have, that I've taken part in it in the past. I'm sorrier that I know I'll do so in the future, probably before I've finished lunch.
I'm done.
If this is how the game is going to be played, then I'm going home.
I would find Sasse's positions more persuasive and his advocacy of the same more credible had he not gleefully joined in on the Unpeopling of Trump supporters.
You know what's been very painful for me throughout this primary season? Having the mirror held up and my having to take a very long and very hard look at my own actions and attitudes and realizing that I was engaging in the exact same type of vituperation and dehumanizing that I hate when done to me. That hurt. That continues to hurt. No one, least of all me, likes confronting the ugliness in themselves.
I've been around here a long time. I've said some terrible things. I'm sure to say more in the future.
But I will not be a part of this lowest possible level of Unpeopling others. I will not.
Sen. Sasse chose, on his own, to go down the mocking path. Fine. But I am thus free to evaluate just who he is and what he is espousing when he does so.
I'm sorry but Trump is not so incredibly awful that any and all actions taken in opposition to him are thuis excused. No. No no no no nononono.
I believe in the rights and dignity of the individual. I believe that castigating those who do not fall in line with my each and every view as being subhumans who are incapable of sentience merely due to their opposition to my views is abominable. I believe that taking an entire group, be they moderate Republicans or the most ardent Trump supporters, and reducing their very being to cutesy nicknames is intellectually barren. I believe that Unpeople is very more wrong when done by the Right than by the Left since, after all, the Right at least makes mouth noises towards the value of the individual qua individual rather than merely a data point in a group.
So I'm out.
I'm not doing it.
I won't support those who do it.
I'm sorry, I'm truly sorry from the bottom of the heart that I do, in fact, have, that I've taken part in it in the past. I'm sorrier that I know I'll do so in the future, probably before I've finished lunch.
I'm done.
If this is how the game is going to be played, then I'm going home.
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (mf5HN)
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or how we balance our budgets after baby boomers have dishonestly over-promised for decades
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That's a maladroit section by Stasse there. He should have used something other than the wide ranging--"Baby Boomers".
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That's a maladroit section by Stasse there. He should have used something other than the wide ranging--"Baby Boomers".
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (UBzPO)
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47 Yeah. I want a third party. More - I want the GOP AND the Democrat party to disappear.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (4ng05)
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I'd love to see a purging fire that leaves us with a self described and labelled Socialist Party and a self described and labelled Constitutionalist Party.
That would represent a stark choice.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:07 PM (4ng05)
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I'd love to see a purging fire that leaves us with a self described and labelled Socialist Party and a self described and labelled Constitutionalist Party.
That would represent a stark choice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (rJSDb)
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Oh look, excusing away Trump's authoritarian comments by pointing to Team Blue and say "see? that authoritarianism is WORSE!"
they're both authoritarian dickheads
Posted by: chemjeff
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The idea that politics in general is not going to have a streak of this is on both sides is naive.
But with Trump, its petty nonsense like him threatening to sue a reporter. With Team Blue it's suing climate change deniers, throwing Christians in jail for not supporting gay marriage, and using the IRS to go after political opponents.
Not a tough choice for me. Most politicians are little Napoleans that you don't want to be around regardless of the team color.
they're both authoritarian dickheads
Posted by: chemjeff
___________
The idea that politics in general is not going to have a streak of this is on both sides is naive.
But with Trump, its petty nonsense like him threatening to sue a reporter. With Team Blue it's suing climate change deniers, throwing Christians in jail for not supporting gay marriage, and using the IRS to go after political opponents.
Not a tough choice for me. Most politicians are little Napoleans that you don't want to be around regardless of the team color.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (C6cBW)
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It's too late for 2016 at this point. If you want a third party you're going to need to do it the hard way.
By that I mean from nothing.
You're going to need to establish yourself in all 50 states and get a following of people willing to vote along those ideals.
You're going to need a platform that distinguishes yourself from the Crony Capitalists and Socialists that pervade Washington DC.
You're going to need people who are willing to work 80 hours a week and then some to make sure that message gets out.
You're going to need followers, an internet presence, and money... so... much... money.
You're not going to see that happen in 6 months. I'm not sure you can see that happen in 4 years and 6 months (it'd be possible but that'd be a herculean task).
As for Allah... he's right. No one has done the necessary work for a viable third party yet. As a result: this is what we're stuck with. Rail against him all you want... but he's right.
By that I mean from nothing.
You're going to need to establish yourself in all 50 states and get a following of people willing to vote along those ideals.
You're going to need a platform that distinguishes yourself from the Crony Capitalists and Socialists that pervade Washington DC.
You're going to need people who are willing to work 80 hours a week and then some to make sure that message gets out.
You're going to need followers, an internet presence, and money... so... much... money.
You're not going to see that happen in 6 months. I'm not sure you can see that happen in 4 years and 6 months (it'd be possible but that'd be a herculean task).
As for Allah... he's right. No one has done the necessary work for a viable third party yet. As a result: this is what we're stuck with. Rail against him all you want... but he's right.
Posted by: chaz706 at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (c4Oro)
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A) he never said he would raise it, just look at it
B) and do you have any idea how few people are effected by the Federal Minimum wage?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (V/InG)
That's not the point. He's open to raising it because he's a "different type of Republican". Evidently, this "different type of Republican" will consider leftist ideas seriously and is open to implementing them. How is this not the "reaching across the aisle" mentality?
A) he never said he would raise it, just look at it
B) and do you have any idea how few people are effected by the Federal Minimum wage?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (V/InG)
That's not the point. He's open to raising it because he's a "different type of Republican". Evidently, this "different type of Republican" will consider leftist ideas seriously and is open to implementing them. How is this not the "reaching across the aisle" mentality?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (dpnZC)
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Is Ben Sasse volunteering himself to lead the charge for a third party? If he is so dissatisfied with what we currently have, perhaps he should be the one to pick up that mantle.
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (a0IVu)
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Actually I am sympathetic with Sasse's speech, and I understand where he is coming from. There is definitely wisdom in what he is saying. And yet, I wish he had said this four months earlier, when options were still available.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (ry4ab)
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I'd prefer a Trump vs. Sanders race, at least we know that Trump values Capitalism and Sanders does not. With Trump vs. Clinton, there is no discernible philosophical divide, just a divide of sound bites.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (2cS/G)
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A country deserves its leaders.
Obumbles won twice despite overwhelming evidence he was harming the nation.
Obumbles won twice despite overwhelming evidence he was harming the nation.
Posted by: Valiant at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (3MiF8)
69
Is it the parties or the people?
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 05, 2016 12:11 PM (dU/fR)
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I'm open to the idea of a third party (although I'm not fully #nevertrump yet), but I'm not getting on-board with a centrist ticket. "Centrist" invariably goes left, because of O'Sullivan's Law. Even if a centrist ticket was truly centrist and only maintained the status quo, the status quo sucks balls.
Hillary's corrupt as an obese Mexican sheriff. She'll never get my vote. But I'm not voting for New & Improved Hillary: now without corruption!
Hillary's corrupt as an obese Mexican sheriff. She'll never get my vote. But I'm not voting for New & Improved Hillary: now without corruption!
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:11 PM (aFa2V)
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After Romney's loss I had changed my party affiliation to the Every Man For Themselves Party but Cruz drug me back to the GOP. I've returned.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 05, 2016 12:11 PM (HWLn9)
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But with Trump, its petty nonsense like him threatening to sue a reporter.
Actually, he really did sue a reporter, and lost.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/ donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923
It is the petty use of his power against the powerless that is different only in scope, not in intent.
Actually, he really did sue a reporter, and lost.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/ donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923
It is the petty use of his power against the powerless that is different only in scope, not in intent.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:11 PM (dpnZC)
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67 I'd prefer a Trump vs. Sanders race, at least we know that Trump values Capitalism and Sanders does not. With Trump vs. Clinton, there is no discernible philosophical divide, just a divide of sound bites.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (2cS/G)
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In what way does Trump value capitalism?
Crony capitalism is more closely related to socialism than to actual capitalism, and I see Trump as very much a fan of crony capitalism not capitalism itself.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (2cS/G)
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In what way does Trump value capitalism?
Crony capitalism is more closely related to socialism than to actual capitalism, and I see Trump as very much a fan of crony capitalism not capitalism itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (rJSDb)
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nah, I'll stick with Trump if it means getting to see Hillery at once angry at once teary at once disgusted with the stupid voters who didn't see she was the most qualified person in the country to finish what Barky/Reidy/Pelosi started.
I can almost see Hillery insisting during the campaign that doubling the minimum wage will save the average family $2500 a year. And her insisting that the savings from going all renewable energy will be yuuge.
I can almost see Hillery insisting during the campaign that doubling the minimum wage will save the average family $2500 a year. And her insisting that the savings from going all renewable energy will be yuuge.
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (qSIlh)
76
Third party candidacies really do have an impact. Here, just look at this pie chart!
Posted by: Ross Perot at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (8ZskC)
77
This is what democracy looks like.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (NeFrd)
78
already decided I will be voting 3rd party here. So glad that Ben Sasse has joined me.
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (Gl74b)
79
November will be a clean wipeout of the GOP, up and down the ticket. That means 8 to 12 more years of authoritarian socialism, and that means the coup de grace for the republic. I think one of the reasons that's going to happen is because Trump's supporters will take to the streets and go toe to toe with the lefties. Weimar Republic, fellow babies -- Freikorps vs. Spartacus League. And the average American will look up from Twitter and Shapchat and say "Whoa, government needs to take care of that" and vote for the party of Government Taking Care of That.
Posted by: joncelli, putting that thought in your head at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (dciA+)
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It's just post-primary frustratration. My apology.
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It's just post-primary frustratration. My apology.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (Fmupd)
81
A third party might actually win this time too.
Suppose we found someone to run 3rd party, I don't know, Perry. Once Hillary is handed the nomination by the super delegates, Bernie Sanders might just say: You know what, fuck this shit. The conservative vote will be split between Trump and Perry, so I'm going to enter the fray too, because I just might win this thing.
And then you have a 4 way split. And that's very winnable by any one of the four.
Suppose we found someone to run 3rd party, I don't know, Perry. Once Hillary is handed the nomination by the super delegates, Bernie Sanders might just say: You know what, fuck this shit. The conservative vote will be split between Trump and Perry, so I'm going to enter the fray too, because I just might win this thing.
And then you have a 4 way split. And that's very winnable by any one of the four.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (LqrRo)
82
***"Our problems are huge right now, but one of the most obvious is that we've not passed along the meaning of America to the next generation. If we don't get them to re-engage -- thinking about how we defend a free society in the face of global jihadis, or how we balance our budgets after baby boomers have dishonestly over-promised for decades, or how we protect First Amendment values in the face of the safe-space movement, then all will indeed have been lost."***
Not sure what makes him think a majority of the public wants any of this.
They quite obviously don't.
They don't view any of these as problems. Our HUGE problems, as evidenced by our gigantic bureaucracies, our popular culture, our major corporationsand our legislatures is The New Racism/Bigotry/Aggression. Our Lack of Diversity. It's all of this which is the cause of all of the "huge" problems listed above.
Well, at least according to a majority.
It really was a good run.
Not sure what makes him think a majority of the public wants any of this.
They quite obviously don't.
They don't view any of these as problems. Our HUGE problems, as evidenced by our gigantic bureaucracies, our popular culture, our major corporationsand our legislatures is The New Racism/Bigotry/Aggression. Our Lack of Diversity. It's all of this which is the cause of all of the "huge" problems listed above.
Well, at least according to a majority.
It really was a good run.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (dU/fR)
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Trump's a private-sector marketing guy who really knows how to build a brand. And he has done spectacularly well with it in the GOP primary market.
Now we'll see how he does with the larger general electorate market. We'll see that campaign sooner rather than later.
As for Sasse... Well, Sarah Palin endorsed Cruz, Sasse, and Trump and Sasse, like Cruz, is serving in his first term, so it's kind of early for him to make a 3d party squeal, seeing as how mavericky he was during his campaign, as a Republican candidate.
Authoritarian Trump? Gimme a break. Bloomberg? Yes. Hillary? Yes. FDR? Pretty much. Woodrow Wilson? Solid Authoritarian A+ Gold Standard..
Trump ain't like any of those people.
Now we'll see how he does with the larger general electorate market. We'll see that campaign sooner rather than later.
As for Sasse... Well, Sarah Palin endorsed Cruz, Sasse, and Trump and Sasse, like Cruz, is serving in his first term, so it's kind of early for him to make a 3d party squeal, seeing as how mavericky he was during his campaign, as a Republican candidate.
Authoritarian Trump? Gimme a break. Bloomberg? Yes. Hillary? Yes. FDR? Pretty much. Woodrow Wilson? Solid Authoritarian A+ Gold Standard..
Trump ain't like any of those people.
Posted by: mrp at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (JBggj)
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Interesting experiment, but who is this "leader" he's talking about? Seems to me we just had a primary season and he didn't show up.
Interesting experiment, but who is this "leader" he's talking about? Seems to me we just had a primary season and he didn't show up.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (kTF2Z)
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We could be more like Europe I suppose - labor, conservatives, socialists, far left, far right - all sorts of parties and a coalition will have to be formed at the end of the day.
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Ross Perot at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (8ZskC)
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"If this is how the game is going to be played, then I'm going home."
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette
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What? You can support a third party, or just not support Trump, without being a total dickhole. That's my plan.
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette
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What? You can support a third party, or just not support Trump, without being a total dickhole. That's my plan.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (aFa2V)
89
Stop picking at the scab, it'll never heal. ( Things I was taught in 3rd grade).
Posted by: kraken at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (mHL0c)
90
Recall that last year, we had a gigantic debate in DC about defunding Planned Parenthood.
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (dpnZC)
I don't know if you're for or against it from how you commented, but if it's only .01% then cutting it should've been easy.
I'm not some hard charging anti-abortion crusader either. I wanted it cut because I don't want my tax dollars paying for this stuff (you can't find a few hundred dollars for an abortion? really?) and what they did is illegal. They broke the law. That alone should result in consequences.
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:03 PM (dpnZC)
I don't know if you're for or against it from how you commented, but if it's only .01% then cutting it should've been easy.
I'm not some hard charging anti-abortion crusader either. I wanted it cut because I don't want my tax dollars paying for this stuff (you can't find a few hundred dollars for an abortion? really?) and what they did is illegal. They broke the law. That alone should result in consequences.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (4ErVI)
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However, the Libertarian Party has grown closer to my views (or my views
have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican
Party's views have grown away from mine.
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The Libertarian Party has on their platform a COMPLETELY open border.
Most people here that are threatening this that are not actually on board with the Libertarian Party, it's just a spoiler because Trump beat their guy.
have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican
Party's views have grown away from mine.
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The Libertarian Party has on their platform a COMPLETELY open border.
Most people here that are threatening this that are not actually on board with the Libertarian Party, it's just a spoiler because Trump beat their guy.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (C6cBW)
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hat's not the point. He's open to raising it because he's a "different type of Republican". Evidently, this "different type of Republican" will consider leftist ideas seriously and is open to implementing them. How is this not the "reaching across the aisle" mentality?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (dpnZC)
That's not the point?
Then what is your point other than you hate trump?
This is the "Real World" and all you have done all morning is go off half crazy about a minimum wage that applies to almost no one and wold surely be higher under hillary admin?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:10 PM (dpnZC)
That's not the point?
Then what is your point other than you hate trump?
This is the "Real World" and all you have done all morning is go off half crazy about a minimum wage that applies to almost no one and wold surely be higher under hillary admin?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (V/InG)
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If you want to build a third party, you're going to have to build a third party. It's not going to happen between now and November. Set your eyes on 2020.
I will be with you.
I will be with you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (xuouz)
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Ace,
I'd love to embed a Bell Curve here to make my point, but the horde is smart and knows it ...
So when you realize that half of all people have lower than 100 IQ ... Trump happens. Hillary happens. Collective authoritarianism happens. See Brazil, Argentina, etc. for reference.
Only a matter of time in the U.S. and while we can't fix stupid, we can choose to ignore it and disengage ... which I'm presently doing. Family, friends, and my personal endeavors ... everything else is shit and needs to be flushed from life.
I'd love to embed a Bell Curve here to make my point, but the horde is smart and knows it ...
So when you realize that half of all people have lower than 100 IQ ... Trump happens. Hillary happens. Collective authoritarianism happens. See Brazil, Argentina, etc. for reference.
Only a matter of time in the U.S. and while we can't fix stupid, we can choose to ignore it and disengage ... which I'm presently doing. Family, friends, and my personal endeavors ... everything else is shit and needs to be flushed from life.
Posted by: MathSamurai at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (d6KVW)
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2nd look at Whigs?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (oGRue)
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81 A third party might actually win this time too.
Suppose we found someone to run 3rd party, I don't know, Perry. Once Hillary is handed the nomination by the super delegates, Bernie Sanders might just say: You know what, fuck this shit. The conservative vote will be split between Trump and Perry, so I'm going to enter the fray too, because I just might win this thing.
And then you have a 4 way split. And that's very winnable by any one of the four.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (LqrRo)
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In terms of fantasy scenarios, that's not half bad and not completely crazy.
The only thing I see an issue with is Sanders running third party as well. For all of his "independence" he's still pretty much a party man.
Suppose we found someone to run 3rd party, I don't know, Perry. Once Hillary is handed the nomination by the super delegates, Bernie Sanders might just say: You know what, fuck this shit. The conservative vote will be split between Trump and Perry, so I'm going to enter the fray too, because I just might win this thing.
And then you have a 4 way split. And that's very winnable by any one of the four.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (LqrRo)
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In terms of fantasy scenarios, that's not half bad and not completely crazy.
The only thing I see an issue with is Sanders running third party as well. For all of his "independence" he's still pretty much a party man.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (rJSDb)
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Summarized Ben Sasse: Americans despise both parties because they don't compromise enough.
Nobody I ever met in my life would agree with that assessment. It's a theory we only hear, often, in the media. It is a popular fallacy purposely repeated for LIV's benefit.
Summarized Ben Sasse: Americans despise both parties because they don't compromise enough.
Nobody I ever met in my life would agree with that assessment. It's a theory we only hear, often, in the media. It is a popular fallacy purposely repeated for LIV's benefit.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (h+IVw)
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I'm still holding out hope for Trump v. Biden for maximum entertainment value and rioting.
Mostly the roiting.
Mostly the roiting.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (Wckf4)
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A country deserves its leaders.
Obumbles won twice despite overwhelming evidence he was harming the nation.
Posted by: Valiant
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*weeping*
Obumbles won twice despite overwhelming evidence he was harming the nation.
Posted by: Valiant
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*weeping*
Posted by: The sacrifices of millions who have gone before at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (9mTYi)
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h the rising generation, though, is that they really would like to rethink the often knee-jerk partisanship of their parents and grandparents. We should encourage this rethinking
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Unnecessarily alienating again.
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Unnecessarily alienating again.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (mcm0N)
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The Peoples Liberation Front of Judea hasn't endorsed a candidate, yet.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (ZcEXv)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (Gwldq)
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I'm not saying I definitely couldn't support Trump -- it would depend on which of these tinpot authoritarians wished to control me less. They both want to control me, but we'll see who promises to control me less.
I dropped this link in the other thread, Ace, and I think it bears reading. IMO, the author makes a compelling case for doing whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of the Oval Office.
You may not kneel if Trump wins. You will kneel if Hillary wins:
https://goo.gl/4giQrb
I'm not saying I definitely couldn't support Trump -- it would depend on which of these tinpot authoritarians wished to control me less. They both want to control me, but we'll see who promises to control me less.
I dropped this link in the other thread, Ace, and I think it bears reading. IMO, the author makes a compelling case for doing whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of the Oval Office.
You may not kneel if Trump wins. You will kneel if Hillary wins:
https://goo.gl/4giQrb
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (X6fMO)
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The sooner the baby boomers retire from politics the better. Looks like they are going to get one final administration.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (gmeXX)
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Third party is pointless. The sheer logistics and ballot access limitations are nearly impossible to overcome to be a serious effort. It would just be a Fuck Trump Up effort.
I'd rather The King in Orange sink or swim on his own merits without direct interference. Because LULZ.
I'd rather The King in Orange sink or swim on his own merits without direct interference. Because LULZ.
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (datdl)
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"I'm not saying I definitely couldn't support Trump -- it would depend on
which of these tinpot authoritarians wished to control me less. They
both want to control me, but we'll see who promises to control me less."
hmm, a sliver of hope there...
would it make a difference if trump joined Americans for Limited Government ? or if called for reduced government regulation ? or said that government scrutiny is the greatest threat to American Dream ? or that government should do public works , safety and little else ?
which of these tinpot authoritarians wished to control me less. They
both want to control me, but we'll see who promises to control me less."
hmm, a sliver of hope there...
would it make a difference if trump joined Americans for Limited Government ? or if called for reduced government regulation ? or said that government scrutiny is the greatest threat to American Dream ? or that government should do public works , safety and little else ?
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (c6/9Q)
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Excellent post Ace, one of your best ever. Run Ben run!
Posted by: Jeff Kelley at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (uON+c)
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I mean, who is remaining to us in the GOP ranks, who is not Trump? The country-club RNC elite spent their time and treasure denying the nomination to Ted Cruz. They may have attained their goal, but they ignored Trump too long. As I have said before, the man is a serious candidate, and his persistence is about to pay off. (With some serious help from the Lamestream Media who mentioned "Trump" nearly 15 times as much as most GOP candidates.)
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (ry4ab)
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Thanks, ace, that's exactly what I think.
I don't know what to do about it, if anything, but I know I probably won't be able to vote for the guy who's said several times that people shouldn't be "allowed" to say things that he doesn't like.
When his supporters admiringly call him Daddy, Big Brother, emperor, Sir Donald, etc, I know that they see that authoritarianism in him, but they LIKE it.
I don't think I can vote for that.
I don't know what to do about it, if anything, but I know I probably won't be able to vote for the guy who's said several times that people shouldn't be "allowed" to say things that he doesn't like.
When his supporters admiringly call him Daddy, Big Brother, emperor, Sir Donald, etc, I know that they see that authoritarianism in him, but they LIKE it.
I don't think I can vote for that.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:15 PM (ozZau)
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We need someone who will make America straight again! If the Supreme Court can initiate "laws" like Obergefell, on spurious constitutional grounds, none of our freedoms are safe...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (kP16F)
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Ace:
"Trump himself will inevitably be demolished,"
Disagree. I don't like him any better than you do. This is not an expression of support for him. But I now see him winning in the general if Hillary Clinton becomes and remains the Dem nominee.
She keeps her partisans and brings the Sanders people in line by pointing to the bogyman she's running against. Trump keeps his loyal followers and *most* Republicans who now say he's unacceptable pull the lever for him because they hate her worse.
That leaves the independents, and I see them breaking for a brash, bold, confident jerk better than for a candidate so flawed that Bernie Sanders (I, VT) is now giving her a run for her money.
Personally, this analysis makes me all the more sure I won't vote for him. But that's not because I think he'll lose.
"Trump himself will inevitably be demolished,"
Disagree. I don't like him any better than you do. This is not an expression of support for him. But I now see him winning in the general if Hillary Clinton becomes and remains the Dem nominee.
She keeps her partisans and brings the Sanders people in line by pointing to the bogyman she's running against. Trump keeps his loyal followers and *most* Republicans who now say he's unacceptable pull the lever for him because they hate her worse.
That leaves the independents, and I see them breaking for a brash, bold, confident jerk better than for a candidate so flawed that Bernie Sanders (I, VT) is now giving her a run for her money.
Personally, this analysis makes me all the more sure I won't vote for him. But that's not because I think he'll lose.
Posted by: JPS at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (Wrsv2)
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As of this moment, I can't support Trump, so I'm planning to vote for Cruz. That may change, but this is the only way I can find some peace of mind in the midst of the insanity.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (bIGOo)
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"Trump himself will inevitably be demolished."
Rush thinks Trump can win in a landslide. I just think that he'll get to 300 electoral votes.
"Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism."
Michelle Fields redux.
"Many #NeverTrumpers, and I'm edging into that group myself"
I thought you didn't give a fuck if he won or lost.(your words). Why the change?
"No, this site is showing spine -- by resisting your attempts to bend spines for Trump."
Vote for him or not. Your vote. If you don't vote you've made yourself irrelevant to the process. Your choice. If you hate Trump so much, go vote for Hillary.
"I'm very, very reluctant to vote for someone who seems to think that America needs to become a Trumpmerica Inc."
We're getting far down the road to becoming a fascist state run for the interests of the Left and Big Business, and you think Trump will make that worse, that he's the problem? Pick a better bogeyman.
Your hat Trump. Just come out and say instead of being so passive-aggressive about it.
Rush thinks Trump can win in a landslide. I just think that he'll get to 300 electoral votes.
"Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism."
Michelle Fields redux.
"Many #NeverTrumpers, and I'm edging into that group myself"
I thought you didn't give a fuck if he won or lost.(your words). Why the change?
"No, this site is showing spine -- by resisting your attempts to bend spines for Trump."
Vote for him or not. Your vote. If you don't vote you've made yourself irrelevant to the process. Your choice. If you hate Trump so much, go vote for Hillary.
"I'm very, very reluctant to vote for someone who seems to think that America needs to become a Trumpmerica Inc."
We're getting far down the road to becoming a fascist state run for the interests of the Left and Big Business, and you think Trump will make that worse, that he's the problem? Pick a better bogeyman.
Your hat Trump. Just come out and say instead of being so passive-aggressive about it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (r1fLd)
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>>Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM
Sorry, didn't think you were. I was thinking about the oohs and ahhs I'm seeing over the dreamy Nebraskan Senator over his letter.
Jay Cost points out that Anderson announced his Indy run in late April. So, yeah, it's doable. But with so few politicians, including Sasse, being willing to pick up the oars and pull with all their strength in the primary, I find it hard to see how it would work.
That said, I can see a benefit of running a third party person, depending on your goal.
If your goal is to try to avoid the (likely) loss of seats down ballot, run some sort of conservative who will help ensure conservatives turn out.
If the goal is to knock Trump off his pegs, I think Mitt Romney should run. I don't mean run the way he did last time - I mean run as the I'm As Successful As You Are And Better-Looking anti-Trump. I have never been a Mitt fan, as everyone knows, but I think he could pull dissatisfied Democrats (those who had buyers remorse after 2012) and Republicans. Not sure if he'd win, but I think his candidacy, properly played, would unhinge the toupeed egomaniac.
Sorry, didn't think you were. I was thinking about the oohs and ahhs I'm seeing over the dreamy Nebraskan Senator over his letter.
Jay Cost points out that Anderson announced his Indy run in late April. So, yeah, it's doable. But with so few politicians, including Sasse, being willing to pick up the oars and pull with all their strength in the primary, I find it hard to see how it would work.
That said, I can see a benefit of running a third party person, depending on your goal.
If your goal is to try to avoid the (likely) loss of seats down ballot, run some sort of conservative who will help ensure conservatives turn out.
If the goal is to knock Trump off his pegs, I think Mitt Romney should run. I don't mean run the way he did last time - I mean run as the I'm As Successful As You Are And Better-Looking anti-Trump. I have never been a Mitt fan, as everyone knows, but I think he could pull dissatisfied Democrats (those who had buyers remorse after 2012) and Republicans. Not sure if he'd win, but I think his candidacy, properly played, would unhinge the toupeed egomaniac.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (t5zYU)
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The last time America had a good candidate for president I was calling my friends on a rotary telephone.
Posted by: CrustyB at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (GvSpB)
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All of this "Trump Is a Secret Genius Stuff" would be funny if it didn't sound like Obama supporters in '08.
Maybe you'll have better luck with this blank slate.
Maybe you'll have better luck with this blank slate.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (6hZFv)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (8ZskC)
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91 However, the Libertarian Party has grown closer to my views (or my views
have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican
Party's views have grown away from mine.
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The Libertarian Party has on their platform a COMPLETELY open border.
Most people here that are threatening this that are not actually on board with the Libertarian Party, it's just a spoiler because Trump beat their guy.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (C6cBW)
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That's the one issue that really separates me from them, however if a bunch of conservatives suddenly show up and rocket them to some sort of national prominence, it'll be easy enough for conservatives to take over the organization and mess with their platform.
I'd rather use the Libertarian Party then follow Bill Kristol, personally.
have grown closer to theirs) at the same rate that the Republican
Party's views have grown away from mine.
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The Libertarian Party has on their platform a COMPLETELY open border.
Most people here that are threatening this that are not actually on board with the Libertarian Party, it's just a spoiler because Trump beat their guy.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:13 PM (C6cBW)
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That's the one issue that really separates me from them, however if a bunch of conservatives suddenly show up and rocket them to some sort of national prominence, it'll be easy enough for conservatives to take over the organization and mess with their platform.
I'd rather use the Libertarian Party then follow Bill Kristol, personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (rJSDb)
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>>> It rings hollow coming from a guy who didn't join Mike Lee in endorsing and campaigning for Cruz.
I completely understand that sentiment Y-not but in all fairness Cruz was a horrible, terrible, and weak candidate. Don't get me wrong, I am a proud Texan and ferociously supported him and still do, but he failed to connect and make Conservatism attractive. Good on paper and bad IRL.
I have to agree with Ace, once again, neither party appeals to me. I've said this before too and that is-
I owe no allegiance to the GOP, nor Trump, or his supporters. So I won't be voting for him. Trump is the problem of his own supporters, they can deal with his stupid ass. I've said I'd vote for Hillary out of spite, but spite is poison you take to hurt your enemies that only hurts yourself.
I could definitely go for a third party just for the sake of my principles and sanity.
Thanks Ace, as usual I'm thinking it and then come here and it's written and fleshed out. You're a fucking prescient genius and I will be hitting the tip jar.
I completely understand that sentiment Y-not but in all fairness Cruz was a horrible, terrible, and weak candidate. Don't get me wrong, I am a proud Texan and ferociously supported him and still do, but he failed to connect and make Conservatism attractive. Good on paper and bad IRL.
I have to agree with Ace, once again, neither party appeals to me. I've said this before too and that is-
I owe no allegiance to the GOP, nor Trump, or his supporters. So I won't be voting for him. Trump is the problem of his own supporters, they can deal with his stupid ass. I've said I'd vote for Hillary out of spite, but spite is poison you take to hurt your enemies that only hurts yourself.
I could definitely go for a third party just for the sake of my principles and sanity.
Thanks Ace, as usual I'm thinking it and then come here and it's written and fleshed out. You're a fucking prescient genius and I will be hitting the tip jar.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (/E+t2)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (oGRue)
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>>>Second, Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism.
The Democrats represent a very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism. Think of it this way. Actions are allowed in special circumstances that are against the rules in general. Shooting someone in self-defense, say. If Trump needs authoritarianism to beat back leftist totalitarians, the more power to him.
If leftist agitators trying to silence free speech through intimidation and violence get the shit kicked out of them, I really don't care. The worst that could happen as a result of Trump is no worse than the alternative if no one responds to the left with equal force, because of their delicate Victorian sensibilities.
The Democrats represent a very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism. Think of it this way. Actions are allowed in special circumstances that are against the rules in general. Shooting someone in self-defense, say. If Trump needs authoritarianism to beat back leftist totalitarians, the more power to him.
If leftist agitators trying to silence free speech through intimidation and violence get the shit kicked out of them, I really don't care. The worst that could happen as a result of Trump is no worse than the alternative if no one responds to the left with equal force, because of their delicate Victorian sensibilities.
Posted by: angela urkel at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (4m41+)
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typo: You hate Trump. Just come out and say instead of being so passive-aggressive about it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (r1fLd)
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"Not sure what makes him think a majority of the public wants any of this.
They quite obviously don't."
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What the majority of the public - made up of mostly those on the left but including some on the right - wants is:
(1) celebrity culture
(2) gibs muh dat
Those are the only remaining American values. That's how you get Trump.
They quite obviously don't."
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What the majority of the public - made up of mostly those on the left but including some on the right - wants is:
(1) celebrity culture
(2) gibs muh dat
Those are the only remaining American values. That's how you get Trump.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (aFa2V)
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And yet, I wish he had said this four months earlier, when options were still available.
Everything has happened too late this cycle. Nobody took the Trump thread seriously enough, or those who did were askeered of him.
I liked Mitt Romney's takedown. That was way too late.
Ted Friggin' Cruz finally unloaded on him, after polling had opened in the middle of the day of what was to be his last primary.
Everyone thought the Trump would go away on his own and didn't want to risk skin until it was too late.
Everything has happened too late this cycle. Nobody took the Trump thread seriously enough, or those who did were askeered of him.
I liked Mitt Romney's takedown. That was way too late.
Ted Friggin' Cruz finally unloaded on him, after polling had opened in the middle of the day of what was to be his last primary.
Everyone thought the Trump would go away on his own and didn't want to risk skin until it was too late.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (1xUj/)
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Nobody I ever met in my life would agree with that assessment. It's a theory we only hear, often, in the media. It is a popular fallacy purposely repeated for LIV's benefit.
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Most often articulated as "The obstructionist Republicans", which is darkly ironic.
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Most often articulated as "The obstructionist Republicans", which is darkly ironic.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (9mTYi)
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Trump is a socialist with nationalism thrown in. Do not want.
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (Covpc)
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All those talking 3rd Party need to remember Ross Perot. Without him, both Clinton's remain a historical footnote.
Posted by: LGoPs at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (OcRm7)
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No, Ben Sasse, the problem with the GOP is they do not oppose the Left on anything.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (h+IVw)
Recall that last year, we had a gigantic debate in DC about defunding Planned Parenthood.
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
And the dems fought tooth and nail for it and won.
The republicans seemed to briefly fight, caved, and got the bad press.
Our current party can't/won't stop 0.01% of current spending. They won't do anything real.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:00 PM (h+IVw)
Recall that last year, we had a gigantic debate in DC about defunding Planned Parenthood.
PP funding represents approximately 0.01% of the federal budget.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
And the dems fought tooth and nail for it and won.
The republicans seemed to briefly fight, caved, and got the bad press.
Our current party can't/won't stop 0.01% of current spending. They won't do anything real.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:17 PM (326rv)
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If you want to build a third party, you're going to have to build a third party. It's not going to happen between now and November. Set your eyes on 2020.
I will be with you.
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It needs the backing of someone with a lot of money who is willing to seed it with at least $100 million and who can go to some of the young leaders and get this thing moving. Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse from the Senate. Perry, Walker, Abbott, etc. Then get the backing of NR, Redstate, Weekly Standard, other media players.
I don't think it will happen, but it certainly could. And I think many would gravitate toward it.
I will be with you.
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It needs the backing of someone with a lot of money who is willing to seed it with at least $100 million and who can go to some of the young leaders and get this thing moving. Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse from the Senate. Perry, Walker, Abbott, etc. Then get the backing of NR, Redstate, Weekly Standard, other media players.
I don't think it will happen, but it certainly could. And I think many would gravitate toward it.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (gmeXX)
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Third Party eh... for starters this "3rd Party"does not exist... get back to me when it has a name and a leader. All the little parties that are running around in the yard are all named " Dewey" and belong to the grampy clan.
Posted by: kraken at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (mHL0c)
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This Sasse letter seems way off base to me.
Sitting in D.C. probably gives him a more educated perspective than my own but I think it really is different this year than past elections, and the "all is lost" hand-wringing is way premature. Trump has a shot. It's a tough shot, and a lot of his own personality characteristics work negatively here, but he has a chance.
As far as a third party goes it is nothing more than a gift to Hillary, as far as I can tell and she is worse than Donald by far. It's really not close.
Sasse made a huge mistake writing this navel gazer.
Sitting in D.C. probably gives him a more educated perspective than my own but I think it really is different this year than past elections, and the "all is lost" hand-wringing is way premature. Trump has a shot. It's a tough shot, and a lot of his own personality characteristics work negatively here, but he has a chance.
As far as a third party goes it is nothing more than a gift to Hillary, as far as I can tell and she is worse than Donald by far. It's really not close.
Sasse made a huge mistake writing this navel gazer.
Posted by: MTF at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (LISuA)
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>>>Many of Trump's supporters are authoritarians -- not all, mind you, some just want the wall, or to "teach DC a lesson" -- but many are thrilled by the Second Look at Authoritarianism Trump promises.
A lesson so epic...not a single GOP incumbent lost a primary so far.
A lesson so epic...not a single GOP incumbent lost a primary so far.
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (datdl)
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At this point, denying Trump the nomination will result in a voter riot from his supporters, who will justly decry "playing politics" in the face of popular support. There's a sure way to give the Donks four more years. The alternate candidate had better be able to win clean but still keep all the support. It seems to me a lot of GOP stalwarts are afraid to win dirty, as if this was still 1960.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (ry4ab)
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Trump himself will inevitably be demolished, so there's no threat of "throwing the election." It already has been thrown.
You know what assume does.
Hillary is the left's Trump - the odious-to-the-general-public option that they were delivered by true believers in their primary.
Sasse's point #6 is a direct refutation of his entire premise: there have never been two candidates like this. All bets are off.
Just like all the smarty pants' were settling down in November to have the "Rubio v Cruz" argument they'd spent all summer rehearsing, the smarty pants' are settling in now to write the Trump campaign's obituary they've been rehearsing since last August.
Not gonna happen folks.
I'll back down and stop guaranteeing a Trump victory: let's just be honest and say that this is anyone's race. Let's see how things are going at the convention before we declare the Republican candidate dead.
You know what assume does.
Hillary is the left's Trump - the odious-to-the-general-public option that they were delivered by true believers in their primary.
Sasse's point #6 is a direct refutation of his entire premise: there have never been two candidates like this. All bets are off.
Just like all the smarty pants' were settling down in November to have the "Rubio v Cruz" argument they'd spent all summer rehearsing, the smarty pants' are settling in now to write the Trump campaign's obituary they've been rehearsing since last August.
Not gonna happen folks.
I'll back down and stop guaranteeing a Trump victory: let's just be honest and say that this is anyone's race. Let's see how things are going at the convention before we declare the Republican candidate dead.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (xuouz)
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There is, of course, already such a third party...
Posted by: JP in KC at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (WpCa5)
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Summarized Ben Sasse: Americans despise both parties because they don't compromise enough.
Nobody I ever met in my life would agree with that assessment. It's a
theory we only hear, often, in the media. It is a popular fallacy
purposely repeated for LIV's benefit.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (h+IVw)
Tired of hearing this too. The GOP-e compromise? Doesn't that imply that they actually took a stand first?
Democrat/Left/Liberals compromise? HA! All they have to do is wait for the GOP-e to drop to their knees faster than Monica Lewinsky - as they always do. No need for compromise there.
Summarized Ben Sasse: Americans despise both parties because they don't compromise enough.
Nobody I ever met in my life would agree with that assessment. It's a
theory we only hear, often, in the media. It is a popular fallacy
purposely repeated for LIV's benefit.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:14 PM (h+IVw)
Tired of hearing this too. The GOP-e compromise? Doesn't that imply that they actually took a stand first?
Democrat/Left/Liberals compromise? HA! All they have to do is wait for the GOP-e to drop to their knees faster than Monica Lewinsky - as they always do. No need for compromise there.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (jxbfJ)
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I'd love to see a purging fire that leaves us with a self described and labelled Socialist Party and a self described and labelled Constitutionalist Party.
That would represent a stark choice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (rJSDb)
The point that I'm trying to make is that both parties - the platforms they profess to stand are - in my opinion, are anachronisms. They persist to sustain a status quo that serves only those in political power or those connected to those in political power. The points in the post, for the most part, are painfully true and should be fixed, and I'll tell you this, if it can be done right, even now, I'm all for it.
But the truth is that this isn't only about the office of the President. Are we going to leave the likes of McConnell, Ryan and even Sasse in office to ensure that nothing changes? No, let's just hip shoot and hope for the best.
That would represent a stark choice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (rJSDb)
The point that I'm trying to make is that both parties - the platforms they profess to stand are - in my opinion, are anachronisms. They persist to sustain a status quo that serves only those in political power or those connected to those in political power. The points in the post, for the most part, are painfully true and should be fixed, and I'll tell you this, if it can be done right, even now, I'm all for it.
But the truth is that this isn't only about the office of the President. Are we going to leave the likes of McConnell, Ryan and even Sasse in office to ensure that nothing changes? No, let's just hip shoot and hope for the best.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 12:18 PM (8ZskC)
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All of this "Trump Is a Secret Genius Stuff" would be funny if it didn't sound like Obama supporters in '08.
>>>>>>>>>>>.
Obama won in 08.
>>>>>>>>>>>.
Obama won in 08.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (Gwldq)
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If it is between Hillary and Donald, I will pull the vote "for" Donald, begrudgingly. I voted for Cruz in the primary but I cannot imagine the damage Hillary would do. Whatever damage the Donald does will be less, in my opinion. A third party, as always, is a guaranteed loss.
I would be more upset about this election, however, I believe the country passed the tipping point to failure with the second election of Obama. Now we are just seeing how long the dissolution will take. The Donald may buy me more time to prepare.
I would be more upset about this election, however, I believe the country passed the tipping point to failure with the second election of Obama. Now we are just seeing how long the dissolution will take. The Donald may buy me more time to prepare.
Posted by: jjod3 at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (3UYA8)
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In the real world, there will be no third party. So people should start dealing with reality
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (V/InG)
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As far as Im concerned Ben Sasse can go and die in a ditch. Couldnt be bothered to campaign for viable Trump alternatives when it counted, but suddenly finds his balls when the fight over the GOP is over.
Ben Sasse is a useless douchebag.
Ben Sasse is a useless douchebag.
Posted by: Dixie Wetsworth, Cruz2020! at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (qOCQ0)
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MathSamurai, 94:
"So when you realize that half of all people have lower than 100 IQ ... Trump happens. Hillary happens. Collective authoritarianism happens."
Grr.
I mostly work with people whose intelligence is several standard deviations above average, and they're more likely than average people to favor authoritarianism as long as they and their kind get to run it. This is not an intelligence thing.
Or rather, different IQ strata will gravitate toward different flavors of authoritarians.
"So when you realize that half of all people have lower than 100 IQ ... Trump happens. Hillary happens. Collective authoritarianism happens."
Grr.
I mostly work with people whose intelligence is several standard deviations above average, and they're more likely than average people to favor authoritarianism as long as they and their kind get to run it. This is not an intelligence thing.
Or rather, different IQ strata will gravitate toward different flavors of authoritarians.
Posted by: JPS at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (Wrsv2)
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Evidently, this "different type of Republican" will consider leftist ideas seriously and is open to implementing them. How is this not the "reaching across the aisle" mentality?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
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Welcome to the General Election. Get comfortable it's going to be a long ride.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
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Welcome to the General Election. Get comfortable it's going to be a long ride.
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (dU/fR)
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117 The Libertarian Party has on their platform a COMPLETELY open border.
Plank 3.4. Read it.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (6hZFv)
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3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
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If the Libertarian Party was a serious organization, I'd consider the last sentence a sop to moderates, but since they tend to stand on principle, this must be a real belief that a majority of the LP shares.
Plank 3.4. Read it.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:16 PM (6hZFv)
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3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
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If the Libertarian Party was a serious organization, I'd consider the last sentence a sop to moderates, but since they tend to stand on principle, this must be a real belief that a majority of the LP shares.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (rJSDb)
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7.
With Clinton and Trump, the fix is in. Heads, they win; tails, you lose. Why are we confined to these two terrible options? This is America. If both choices stink, we reject them and go bigger. That's what we do.
"That's what we do"?
Sounds an awful lot like Obama's "That's not who we are," non-argumentation. It's not even an Appeal to Authority fallacy. There's no *there* there.
Maybe we could start divorcing politics from personal identity and we wouldn't feel the need to ''Do the right thing."
Had Jeb won the nom, we wouldn't be hearing any of this. We'd be told to "Get over it and vote because, pragmatism."
If you need a pragmatic reason just to go ahead and vote for Turnip, we may see 3 SCOTUS replacements this term. We can't rely on anything Turnip says in regards to his picks, but we know for certain that Hill's choices will be Constitution-shredding fanatics.
With Clinton and Trump, the fix is in. Heads, they win; tails, you lose. Why are we confined to these two terrible options? This is America. If both choices stink, we reject them and go bigger. That's what we do.
"That's what we do"?
Sounds an awful lot like Obama's "That's not who we are," non-argumentation. It's not even an Appeal to Authority fallacy. There's no *there* there.
Maybe we could start divorcing politics from personal identity and we wouldn't feel the need to ''Do the right thing."
Had Jeb won the nom, we wouldn't be hearing any of this. We'd be told to "Get over it and vote because, pragmatism."
If you need a pragmatic reason just to go ahead and vote for Turnip, we may see 3 SCOTUS replacements this term. We can't rely on anything Turnip says in regards to his picks, but we know for certain that Hill's choices will be Constitution-shredding fanatics.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (OcD4G)
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The sooner the baby boomers retire from politics the better. Looks like they are going to get one final administration.
I'm 53 and on the ass end of the boom, depending on whose numbers you use. I've seen anywhere from 1960 to 1964.
So anyone slightly older than me will still be in for awhile.
I'm 53 and on the ass end of the boom, depending on whose numbers you use. I've seen anywhere from 1960 to 1964.
So anyone slightly older than me will still be in for awhile.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (6hZFv)
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Trump made a statement yesterday about Robert Gates book:
"Very disloyal, very disloyal."
Disloyal to whom? Trump always comes to essentially Obama's defense in this area.
And who has Trump ever been loyal to other than himself?
He comes from several generations of men who have managed to opt out of serving their country.
"Very disloyal, very disloyal."
Disloyal to whom? Trump always comes to essentially Obama's defense in this area.
And who has Trump ever been loyal to other than himself?
He comes from several generations of men who have managed to opt out of serving their country.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (mcm0N)
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All I know is that most of the real good conservative voices are younger than the Boomers - Rick Perry excepted (maybe a few more). The real voice of the conservative movement is found in Gen X. And there are some real good voices. Retire the boomers and let this generation (my generation) lead.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (gmeXX)
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It's like the Democrats and the Republicans made a bet over who could nominate the absolute worst candidate and they both won.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (O7MnT)
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8 If Trump and the Hilldamonster are my choices, I'll pull the lever for Trump. It's an easy decision.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 11:59 AM (8ZskC)
Yep. It's a done deal, for me.
Heh...... an "open letter" from a Congressional Representative who, as a body, are primarily responsible for the situation we find ourselves in.
Heal thyself, asshole.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 11:59 AM (8ZskC)
Yep. It's a done deal, for me.
Heh...... an "open letter" from a Congressional Representative who, as a body, are primarily responsible for the situation we find ourselves in.
Heal thyself, asshole.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (rbPBV)
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Just to squelch some more of the Trump-Duke bullshit here's Duke's own words from the last time the MFM put words in his mouth:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nsj5osz
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nsj5osz
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (f4AGl)
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Jay Cost points out that Anderson announced his Indy run in late April.
Ah yes, President John Anderson.
Jay Cost points out that Anderson announced his Indy run in late April.
Ah yes, President John Anderson.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (k4M/B)
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Ben Sasse is part of the uni-party. He's a congressman who really doesn't give a shit who becomes prez as long as the congressional status quo is kept intact.
He represents probably 95+% of representatives and senators.
He represents probably 95+% of representatives and senators.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 12:20 PM (Fmupd)
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Doesn't the Country Deserve Better Than These Two Terrible Candidates?
.................
Not really, it elected B.O. twice.
Doesn't the Country Deserve Better Than These Two Terrible Candidates?
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Not really, it elected B.O. twice.
Posted by: wth at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (HgMAr)
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>>>The Libertarian Party has on their platform a COMPLETELY open border.
Plank 3.4. Read it.
...
yes, the Libertarian Party is zealous open borders lunatics. They are. That's why I cannot be a part of them, and would never say the LP is where I'm voting.
Plank 3.4. Read it.
...
yes, the Libertarian Party is zealous open borders lunatics. They are. That's why I cannot be a part of them, and would never say the LP is where I'm voting.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (dciA+)
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I mostly work with people whose intelligence is several standard deviations above average
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Several meaning at least three? So you work with people in the 99.7%ile of intelligence?
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Several meaning at least three? So you work with people in the 99.7%ile of intelligence?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (A6sW3)
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BTW, May 9 is the deadline in TX to get on the ballot, and you have to get 79,000 signatures from people who didn't vote in the primaries.
So that's not happening, even though there was talk in Texas last winter about doing this if Trump got the nomination. I guess no one thought it would actually happen. I sure didn't.
Th talk in Texas was that no Repub can win without Texas, so Texas alone could fuck it up for Trump if we wanted to. All it would take would be a successful third party guy in Texas to deny Trump the election. .
That would throw it to Hillary of course, so that's the big downside,a nd it's not gonna happen anyway.
So that's not happening, even though there was talk in Texas last winter about doing this if Trump got the nomination. I guess no one thought it would actually happen. I sure didn't.
Th talk in Texas was that no Repub can win without Texas, so Texas alone could fuck it up for Trump if we wanted to. All it would take would be a successful third party guy in Texas to deny Trump the election. .
That would throw it to Hillary of course, so that's the big downside,a nd it's not gonna happen anyway.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (DL2i+)
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But when we wanted to go third party, we were, once again, called names. That we had to reform the republican party. Now that we have done something that threatens the current power structure, they will go third party.
I don't know who this fellow is but he can suck a nice wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
I don't know who this fellow is but he can suck a nice wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican But Reregistered to VOTE Trump at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (AhyHb)
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Nothing will ever change in the GOP as long Ben Sasse and his cronies refuse to see the real fundamental problems within the party.
Ben Sasse is part of the problem (of which he does not understand or even recognize) -- his offering of a solution is not credible.
If you read between the lines, Sasse is telling Re publican primary voters "You blew it!" by passing over Jeb, Pataki, Rubio, and Fiorina.
Nothing will ever change in the GOP as long Ben Sasse and his cronies refuse to see the real fundamental problems within the party.
Ben Sasse is part of the problem (of which he does not understand or even recognize) -- his offering of a solution is not credible.
If you read between the lines, Sasse is telling Re publican primary voters "You blew it!" by passing over Jeb, Pataki, Rubio, and Fiorina.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (h+IVw)
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What the majority of the public - made up of mostly those on the left but including some on the right - wants is:
(1) celebrity culture
(2) gibs muh dat
Those are the only remaining American values. That's how you get Trump.
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Bears repeating.
I think the fraction of "gibs muh dat"-ers amongst the GOP electorate is pretty big, actually, based on where Trump did well. There's a reason Trump is making a play for Sanders voters.
(1) celebrity culture
(2) gibs muh dat
Those are the only remaining American values. That's how you get Trump.
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Bears repeating.
I think the fraction of "gibs muh dat"-ers amongst the GOP electorate is pretty big, actually, based on where Trump did well. There's a reason Trump is making a play for Sanders voters.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (t5zYU)
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Cruz is gone. Voting for Trump. Easy choice.
Posted by: kraken at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (mHL0c)
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When you consider the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who go into 'public service' or elected office at any level buy into the notion that (in whatever form) government is the go-to solution for any and all societal problems, and implicitly the electorate goes along with this notion, it is hard to imagine what a limited government third-party could offer that would be more attractive to the general populace than what the two major parties already offer. At least in a way that would garner a majority vote anywhere.
I think that ship has sailed.
I think that ship has sailed.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (NeFrd)
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It's much easier to take over the Republican Party than it is to build a 3rd Party.
The one issue the GOP kept needling the rank and file on was Amnesty and Trump was the biggest middle finger the base could find to make their point.
The problem with a 3rd Party is nobody can agree what it should stand for, everybody has a hobby horse issue. Some will want it to be a Theocrat Party, others a more Libertarian Party. Some an America First, etc.
The one issue the GOP kept needling the rank and file on was Amnesty and Trump was the biggest middle finger the base could find to make their point.
The problem with a 3rd Party is nobody can agree what it should stand for, everybody has a hobby horse issue. Some will want it to be a Theocrat Party, others a more Libertarian Party. Some an America First, etc.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (C6cBW)
Posted by: Meremortal at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (lWsjo)
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Trump himself will inevitably be demolished, so there's no threat of "throwing the election." It already has been thrown.
You know what assume does.
Hillary is the left's Trump - the odious-to-the-general-public option that they were delivered by true believers in their primary.
Sasse's point #6 is a direct refutation of his entire premise: there have never been two candidates like this. All bets are off.
And prior to 2012, no incumbent won re-election with unemployment that high. But Obama did it.
Yes, history is less of a guide than it was before. Sadly, the trend is going worse.
You know what assume does.
Hillary is the left's Trump - the odious-to-the-general-public option that they were delivered by true believers in their primary.
Sasse's point #6 is a direct refutation of his entire premise: there have never been two candidates like this. All bets are off.
And prior to 2012, no incumbent won re-election with unemployment that high. But Obama did it.
Yes, history is less of a guide than it was before. Sadly, the trend is going worse.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (326rv)
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#NeverTrump: Then why do you want to kill me?
The Donald: [giggling] I don't, I don't want to kill you! What would I do without you? Go back to ripping off real estate developers? No, no, NO! No. You... you... complete me.
The Donald: [giggling] I don't, I don't want to kill you! What would I do without you? Go back to ripping off real estate developers? No, no, NO! No. You... you... complete me.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (xuouz)
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Great...another self-absorbed fuck who wants his moment in the spotlight.
Posted by: Hector at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (pY6mC)
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Ben Sasse is part of the uni-party. He's a congressman who really
doesn't give a shit who becomes prez as long as the congressional status
quo is kept intact.
Sinecure.
doesn't give a shit who becomes prez as long as the congressional status
quo is kept intact.
Sinecure.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (Gwldq)
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3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
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If the Libertarian Party was a serious organization, I'd consider the last sentence a sop to moderates, but since they tend to stand on principle, this must be a real belief that a majority of the LP shares.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Been that way for years. That's nothing new.
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
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If the Libertarian Party was a serious organization, I'd consider the last sentence a sop to moderates, but since they tend to stand on principle, this must be a real belief that a majority of the LP shares.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Been that way for years. That's nothing new.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (6hZFv)
Posted by: wth at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (HgMAr)
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Most voters might not have chosen Trump, but you add up those who prefer Hillary, those who prefer Bernie, and those who prefer Trump, and you've got 70% of America clamoring for an authoritarian Northeastern Liberal. More than 2/3 of America prefers a candidate with views that run from center-Left to COMMIE LEFT.
Sorry Senator Sasse... if the American people ACTUALLY wanted the kind of leader you're describing, THEY'D VOTE FOR THEM.
Sorry Senator Sasse... if the American people ACTUALLY wanted the kind of leader you're describing, THEY'D VOTE FOR THEM.
Posted by: Sam in VA at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (bNi5D)
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I mostly work with people whose intelligence is several standard deviations above average
The Lake Wobegon school system?
The Lake Wobegon school system?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (8ZskC)
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lol at >170
"Ace, I stopped reading when you said x"
*proceeds to write 550 words that ace presumably won't read*
"Ace, I stopped reading when you said x"
*proceeds to write 550 words that ace presumably won't read*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (xuouz)
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Sasse's point is that much of America didn't choose these two
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I'm reading down this column and I'm going to maybe pick off points as I see them.
Where are these high-quality products supposed to come from when the political fields year after year are sown with weeds that bloom one pretty color that the locals like? Americans have voted themselves an awful establishment.
Sasse's point is that much of America didn't choose these two
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I'm reading down this column and I'm going to maybe pick off points as I see them.
Where are these high-quality products supposed to come from when the political fields year after year are sown with weeds that bloom one pretty color that the locals like? Americans have voted themselves an awful establishment.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (pC96u)
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You want a third party
you'd settle for a nerd party
you'll get a turd party
Posted by: wth
Our very own turd ferguson for president!
you'd settle for a nerd party
you'll get a turd party
Posted by: wth
Our very own turd ferguson for president!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (6hZFv)
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"Ben Sasse is part of the uni-party. He's a congressman who really
doesn't give a shit who becomes prez as long as the congressional status
quo is kept intact."
Exactly...
doesn't give a shit who becomes prez as long as the congressional status
quo is kept intact."
Exactly...
Posted by: Hector at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (pY6mC)
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Funny how now we have the same people who absolutely condemned those of us who even thought about voting third Party... (and for full disclosure, yes I voted Perot)....
Are now saying we need to seriously look at third parties.
The system which entrenched Two Party rule on the US was created by those same two parties....
I predict that after the election, no matter WHO wins, the total party membership of BOTH parties will comprise LESS than 50% of the total electorate...
So why would that give them a mandate to RULE over us?
And even more so.... seeing as how Repubs only comprised 24% of the electorate BEFORE this election cycle... why should they get to have power over all THREE branches of Government?
Are now saying we need to seriously look at third parties.
The system which entrenched Two Party rule on the US was created by those same two parties....
I predict that after the election, no matter WHO wins, the total party membership of BOTH parties will comprise LESS than 50% of the total electorate...
So why would that give them a mandate to RULE over us?
And even more so.... seeing as how Repubs only comprised 24% of the electorate BEFORE this election cycle... why should they get to have power over all THREE branches of Government?
Posted by: Don Quixote at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (qf6WZ)
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161 You know how unlikely the 3rd party idea is to work?
Trump already rejected it decades ago.
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Trump ran as the Reform Party candidate in 2000. He also threatened to run third party this time around.
Trump already rejected it decades ago.
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Trump ran as the Reform Party candidate in 2000. He also threatened to run third party this time around.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (t5zYU)
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The sooner the baby boomers retire from politics the better.
You're right. What this country needs is President Trigglypuff.
The sooner the baby boomers retire from politics the better.
You're right. What this country needs is President Trigglypuff.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (k4M/B)
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***"Obama won in 08.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (Gwldq) "***
And like I said - good luck with this blank slate.
You think Obama's a genius?
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:19 PM (Gwldq) "***
And like I said - good luck with this blank slate.
You think Obama's a genius?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (Wckf4)
185
Who da fcuk is 'Sassy' ?
Posted by: LIV / FSA at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (Gwldq)
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>>>123 typo: You hate Trump. Just come out and say instead of being so passive-aggressive about it.
Posted by: Ignoramus
typo: Leave the fucking site, asshole. I didn't invite you here. You're not welcome.
True to Trumpkin form -- every "argument" is just an insult and a bit of hero worship for their Furher.
Fucking cunt.
"Passive aggressive" now means 'stating my objections plainly."
Posted by: Ignoramus
typo: Leave the fucking site, asshole. I didn't invite you here. You're not welcome.
True to Trumpkin form -- every "argument" is just an insult and a bit of hero worship for their Furher.
Fucking cunt.
"Passive aggressive" now means 'stating my objections plainly."
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:24 PM (dciA+)
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When I read through this post and thread it makes me wonder if the GOP (Boehner, McConnell, Rebus, Ryan, McCain, etc.) will EVER understand the absolutely clusters*ck THEY produced.
This is serious stuff, good people don't want to vote. Good people are voting against their conscience. Good people are starting not to care.
They have a lot to answer for.
This is serious stuff, good people don't want to vote. Good people are voting against their conscience. Good people are starting not to care.
They have a lot to answer for.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (U+nHb)
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174 Been that way for years. That's nothing new.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (6hZFv)
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It makes them seem far less open borders zealots than described. They're definitely on the other side of the issue overall, but not THAT far over.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (6hZFv)
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It makes them seem far less open borders zealots than described. They're definitely on the other side of the issue overall, but not THAT far over.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (rJSDb)
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All those talking 3rd Party need to remember Ross Perot. Without him, both Clinton's remain a historical footnote.
Posted by: LGoPs
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Hard to believe that Perot single-handily altered the course of America, the fates of 300 Million people, an entire culture, but he did.
Cognitive dissonance being what it is, Perot voters to this day refuse to acknowledge that their ego-involved tantrum has had terrible, irreversible consequences for the country.
The inevitable statement is, "I voted my conscience". As though, the election was about their feelings , rather than who was going to be President.
Posted by: LGoPs
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Hard to believe that Perot single-handily altered the course of America, the fates of 300 Million people, an entire culture, but he did.
Cognitive dissonance being what it is, Perot voters to this day refuse to acknowledge that their ego-involved tantrum has had terrible, irreversible consequences for the country.
The inevitable statement is, "I voted my conscience". As though, the election was about their feelings , rather than who was going to be President.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (9mTYi)
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8 years of focused ire against the Douchebag in Chief have led to this...
a quintessential moment in American politics defined by a choice between a progressive elitist liberal hack, a socialist slacker, and a vile creature somewhere in between Smeagol and Sauron.
Or, the third party milquetoast.
SMOD 2016
a quintessential moment in American politics defined by a choice between a progressive elitist liberal hack, a socialist slacker, and a vile creature somewhere in between Smeagol and Sauron.
Or, the third party milquetoast.
SMOD 2016
Posted by: Clete Orris at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (zddYK)
191
Anybody have some cute puppy pictures to share?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (iQIUe)
192
178
lol at >170
"Ace, I stopped reading when you said x"
*proceeds to write 550 words that ace presumably won't read*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (xuouz)
Heh. I thought the exact same thing, GoK.
lol at >170
"Ace, I stopped reading when you said x"
*proceeds to write 550 words that ace presumably won't read*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (xuouz)
Heh. I thought the exact same thing, GoK.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (FsuaD)
193
Masturbatin' Pete, 159:
"Several meaning at least three? So you work with people in the 99.7%ile of intelligence?"
OK, I overstated. I'd say two for most, and three in several cases. And repulsive authoritarian political inclinations are the default.
"Several meaning at least three? So you work with people in the 99.7%ile of intelligence?"
OK, I overstated. I'd say two for most, and three in several cases. And repulsive authoritarian political inclinations are the default.
Posted by: JPS at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (Wrsv2)
194
If you want to build a third party, you're going to have to build a third party. It's not going to happen between now and November. Set your eyes on 2020.
I'm laying this out again. I've done it before but I think it bears repeating here.
The GOP rose from "splinter party" to control of the White House and Congress in a span of six short years, from founding in 1854 to Lincoln's election in 1860. It did this in the face of powerful entrenched interests and threats of civil upheaval in response to moral outrages and economic threats.
I use six years as the baseline but that's not quite accurate. It fit for that time period for three reasons. First, it set up Congressional wins to build upon for the victory in 1860. Second, there was not a nearly-unified media complex acting as a wing of the Democrat-Whig status quo working to hamstring it (indeed, many press outlets were quite openly Abolitionist). Third, they did not have the rise of PC (indeed, Marxism was still embryonic, Das Kapital having only been published a scant few years before).
This third part is what worries me. Would a HRC administration take up the whole "safe spaces" SJW ethic to ban parties based on "hateful rhetoric"? Would that not then be interpreted to effectively mean any challenge to their aims? What we've been seeing on campus--the Trigglypuffs, Mizzoo, all that--isn't a sideshow. It's the endgame.
In that light, it's going to take a lot more to create a proper, viable opposition party than just the usual organizing and fundraising challenges. I am beginning to fear that we have waited far too late to get serious.
I'm laying this out again. I've done it before but I think it bears repeating here.
The GOP rose from "splinter party" to control of the White House and Congress in a span of six short years, from founding in 1854 to Lincoln's election in 1860. It did this in the face of powerful entrenched interests and threats of civil upheaval in response to moral outrages and economic threats.
I use six years as the baseline but that's not quite accurate. It fit for that time period for three reasons. First, it set up Congressional wins to build upon for the victory in 1860. Second, there was not a nearly-unified media complex acting as a wing of the Democrat-Whig status quo working to hamstring it (indeed, many press outlets were quite openly Abolitionist). Third, they did not have the rise of PC (indeed, Marxism was still embryonic, Das Kapital having only been published a scant few years before).
This third part is what worries me. Would a HRC administration take up the whole "safe spaces" SJW ethic to ban parties based on "hateful rhetoric"? Would that not then be interpreted to effectively mean any challenge to their aims? What we've been seeing on campus--the Trigglypuffs, Mizzoo, all that--isn't a sideshow. It's the endgame.
In that light, it's going to take a lot more to create a proper, viable opposition party than just the usual organizing and fundraising challenges. I am beginning to fear that we have waited far too late to get serious.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (9krrF)
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When you consider the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who go into 'public service' or elected office at any level buy into the notion that (in whatever form) government is the go-to solution for any and all societal problems,
I just want to get in on the "no insider trading".
I just want to get in on the "no insider trading".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (6hZFv)
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the justice dept is taking over local police precincts, going after NC because they want men to use men's room and you worry about trump being a dictator? epa is making laws, obama is shredding constitution as we speak with no gop resistance, and u wonder why we got trump?
Posted by: Fran at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (hwer0)
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This is just about the saddest thing I've read from a politician in a long time.
Sasse is the quintessential "CON-servstive" fucktard long on critique but short on specifics.
You want better Sasse?
How about you start with putting a specific proposal together to significantly reduce the size scope and the federal leviathan and devolve power back to the states?
You don't like abortion, how about you put forth an amendment making abortion illeagal seeing as that's the only avenue to change the reality on abortion.
"CON-servitives" like Sasse are as bad as the critical theory hustlers except unlike them he has no will to try to implement his theories on complaints.
Fucking asshole.
Sasse is the quintessential "CON-servstive" fucktard long on critique but short on specifics.
You want better Sasse?
How about you start with putting a specific proposal together to significantly reduce the size scope and the federal leviathan and devolve power back to the states?
You don't like abortion, how about you put forth an amendment making abortion illeagal seeing as that's the only avenue to change the reality on abortion.
"CON-servitives" like Sasse are as bad as the critical theory hustlers except unlike them he has no will to try to implement his theories on complaints.
Fucking asshole.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (UgU+f)
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So Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst took a sip of Flint water. Too bad he didn't drink enough to get smarter.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (hWrM7)
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>>>Allah seems to take the position that if this is what American has chosen, why shouldn't it get it, good and hard?
I tend to agree. And by tend to, I wholeheartedly, what's coming you've got coming agree. Regardless of the fact that the two candidates represent a minority of people in the US. It's not like we played *I've got a secret* with the process of nomination. Too few took principled opposition seriously as so far turnout is less than 30%. And in that apathy they gave tacit approval to the hell to come. Trump and Clinton represent those people as well whether they like it or not, and that with their open support is an overwhelming majority; and oh America you so have it coming, for what you have wasted and thrown away.
America is getting what it deserves.
I tend to agree. And by tend to, I wholeheartedly, what's coming you've got coming agree. Regardless of the fact that the two candidates represent a minority of people in the US. It's not like we played *I've got a secret* with the process of nomination. Too few took principled opposition seriously as so far turnout is less than 30%. And in that apathy they gave tacit approval to the hell to come. Trump and Clinton represent those people as well whether they like it or not, and that with their open support is an overwhelming majority; and oh America you so have it coming, for what you have wasted and thrown away.
America is getting what it deserves.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (0q2P7)
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I understand and share most of ace's objections to Trump.
But I am more of a #neverHillary than a #neverTrump.
There is a slim - a very slim chance- that Trump will be an OK president. There is no chance that Pantsuit will be anything but a disaster and the final nail in America's coffin.
And his authoritarianism would be held in check by the media and the Congress. After all Trump is a white male Republican, not the glorious light worker.
Hillary's authoritarianism will be held in check by nobody.
But I am more of a #neverHillary than a #neverTrump.
There is a slim - a very slim chance- that Trump will be an OK president. There is no chance that Pantsuit will be anything but a disaster and the final nail in America's coffin.
And his authoritarianism would be held in check by the media and the Congress. After all Trump is a white male Republican, not the glorious light worker.
Hillary's authoritarianism will be held in check by nobody.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (u0lmX)
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Ignoramus is exactly his username but he's not a c-unit. Come on man.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (xuouz)
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"Ace, I stopped reading when you said x"
*proceeds to write 550 words that ace presumably won't read*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (xuouz)
Heh. I thought the exact same thing, GoK.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Ace replies: tl;dr
*proceeds to write 550 words that ace presumably won't read*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:23 PM (xuouz)
Heh. I thought the exact same thing, GoK.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Ace replies: tl;dr
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (6hZFv)
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As far as Im concerned Ben Sasse can go and die in a ditch. Couldnt be bothered to campaign for viable Trump alternatives when it counted, but suddenly finds his balls when the fight over the GOP is over.
Ben Sasse is a useless douchebag.
Posted by: Dixie Wetsworth
basically, it's "we need a 3rd party or the country will be lost, but I'm sure as hell not going to give up my comfortable job to pursue it"
Sasse knows if he runs 3rd Party, his career as a US Senator is over as the next primary he will be defeated. So don't expect him to be the nation's George Washington.
Ben Sasse is a useless douchebag.
Posted by: Dixie Wetsworth
basically, it's "we need a 3rd party or the country will be lost, but I'm sure as hell not going to give up my comfortable job to pursue it"
Sasse knows if he runs 3rd Party, his career as a US Senator is over as the next primary he will be defeated. So don't expect him to be the nation's George Washington.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (C6cBW)
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Okay Ace, persuade me that there's some way for a 3rd party candidate to do anything other than throw the election to Hillary (and no, that's not a done deal yet, not as horrible and unlikeable candidate as she is). You convince me such a person can actually win, and I'll be right there with you. Seems to me, though, that at least one if not both of the two current parties have to disintegrate first, and we're not there yet. Otherwise, this is mostly just another Senator sounding his "I'm holier than thou" horn.
Posted by: davidingeorgia at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (qf+Y/)
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Sasse is one of my senators.
He ran a small college or university or whatever it is before going into politics.
He's one of these patrician types who tries to hover over the fray while issuing grand pronouncements. Not a bad guy, but it's not what the country is looking for at the moment.
He ran a small college or university or whatever it is before going into politics.
He's one of these patrician types who tries to hover over the fray while issuing grand pronouncements. Not a bad guy, but it's not what the country is looking for at the moment.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (4ErVI)
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" Funny how now we have the same people who absolutely condemned those of us who even thought about voting third Party"
I know right....especially when it looked like Cruz would be the nominee.
I know right....especially when it looked like Cruz would be the nominee.
Posted by: Hector at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (pY6mC)
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America is getting what it deserves.
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I might modify that to say America is getting what it wanted.
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I might modify that to say America is getting what it wanted.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)
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Golden,
Then Leave. You were never invited and you're not welcome.
You also, like most personality-cult trumpkins, think that a "political argument" consists of throwing insults at someone who finds fault with Trump.
I didn't insult you, and yet, in true Trumpkin form, your first, second, and third response is to insult me. I guess I "indirectly" offended your tribe by finding fault with your Warchief.
Fuck off and die, and please depart with all due dispatch.
Then Leave. You were never invited and you're not welcome.
You also, like most personality-cult trumpkins, think that a "political argument" consists of throwing insults at someone who finds fault with Trump.
I didn't insult you, and yet, in true Trumpkin form, your first, second, and third response is to insult me. I guess I "indirectly" offended your tribe by finding fault with your Warchief.
Fuck off and die, and please depart with all due dispatch.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (dciA+)
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Trump made a statement yesterday about Robert Gates book:
"Very disloyal, very disloyal."
...
Oh jeez, he really said that? That fits in with what I've been saying. it's all about him, and fealty to him, and no one should be allowed to say anything against Lord Farquaad.
"Very disloyal, very disloyal."
...
Oh jeez, he really said that? That fits in with what I've been saying. it's all about him, and fealty to him, and no one should be allowed to say anything against Lord Farquaad.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (ozZau)
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@145: All the numbers on Trump say the complete opposite from exit polling ... stupid people won him the nomination. In liberal circles, I'd agree that Hillary supporters are more likely to support authoritarianism when they are "more educated", not "more intelligent".
Intelligent people, like Ace, understand that freedom and upholding the rule of law are more important than any of their pet shit (abortion, the gheys, etc.) ... but sadly that is not the standard entropy of man.
Intelligent people, like Ace, understand that freedom and upholding the rule of law are more important than any of their pet shit (abortion, the gheys, etc.) ... but sadly that is not the standard entropy of man.
Posted by: MathSamurai at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (d6KVW)
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Our very own turd ferguson for president!
Posted by: rickb223
*****
Nice idea, but it might be too much of a gambol.
Posted by: rickb223
*****
Nice idea, but it might be too much of a gambol.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (NeFrd)
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Remember the "Three Percenters"? Sounds like Patterico is rallying them again.
http://bit.ly/1SPquAF
http://bit.ly/1SPquAF
Posted by: RushBabe at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (OuXal)
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Plank 3.4. Read it.
...
yes, the Libertarian Party is zealous open borders lunatics. They are. That's why I cannot be a part of them, and would never say the LP is where I'm voting.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (dciA+)
The trouble with Libertarianism is that you can't go down that path only part way, because if you do, it collapses in on itself. And full-on Libertarianism is just a long word for anarchy. (might a exagerated a bit. Not much.)
...
yes, the Libertarian Party is zealous open borders lunatics. They are. That's why I cannot be a part of them, and would never say the LP is where I'm voting.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (dciA+)
The trouble with Libertarianism is that you can't go down that path only part way, because if you do, it collapses in on itself. And full-on Libertarianism is just a long word for anarchy. (might a exagerated a bit. Not much.)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (4ng05)
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But when we wanted to go third party, we were, once again, called names. That we had to reform the republican party. Now that we have done something that threatens the current power structure, they will go third party.
I don't know who this fellow is but he can suck a nice wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican But Reregistered to VOTE Trump
This. This is how Sen Cokebear was able to persevere. They are all for party loyalty until the peasants revolt. And in the case of trump, the peasants are truly revolting (lookin' at you Seamus).
Loyalty means something when THEY want it to have meaning. (we don't care that he doesn't even pretend to live in KS; shut the fuck up and vote)
Math has meaning when THEY want it to have meaning (don't vote for the witch, she's a loser).
Principles have meaning? To them? The assholes that called their base racists, wackobirds, and whatever else?
I refuse to believe that these assholes have any priorities other than themselves.
I don't know who this fellow is but he can suck a nice wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican But Reregistered to VOTE Trump
This. This is how Sen Cokebear was able to persevere. They are all for party loyalty until the peasants revolt. And in the case of trump, the peasants are truly revolting (lookin' at you Seamus).
Loyalty means something when THEY want it to have meaning. (we don't care that he doesn't even pretend to live in KS; shut the fuck up and vote)
Math has meaning when THEY want it to have meaning (don't vote for the witch, she's a loser).
Principles have meaning? To them? The assholes that called their base racists, wackobirds, and whatever else?
I refuse to believe that these assholes have any priorities other than themselves.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (326rv)
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3rd party means Hillary party
Posted by: Ben H at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (gJEsZ)
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I don't really care if Ace reads it. He'll probably
ban me for it knowing him. But anyone claiming Trump is an
"authoritarian" and pretending it's the Third Reich rising is a
dishonest, lying, hack who needs to be called out for stupid, nonsense,
emotional arguments.
Anyone who wants to make such a stupid, silly,
childish claim to rationalize their infant-like tantrum because they
didn't get their way for once needs to be called on it.
Posted by: Golden at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)
Well, this should be entertaining. *heads to kitchen for more coffee*
ban me for it knowing him. But anyone claiming Trump is an
"authoritarian" and pretending it's the Third Reich rising is a
dishonest, lying, hack who needs to be called out for stupid, nonsense,
emotional arguments.
Anyone who wants to make such a stupid, silly,
childish claim to rationalize their infant-like tantrum because they
didn't get their way for once needs to be called on it.
Posted by: Golden at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)
Well, this should be entertaining. *heads to kitchen for more coffee*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (FsuaD)
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Just so I understand, this Sasse guy didn't come out for a third party when McConnell and Ryno gave Obama everything he wanted and then some? When Harry fucking Reid dais he was surprised at the budget deal?
But now, third party time.
Again, screw him!
It's all about the power and control of the uniparty.
But now, third party time.
Again, screw him!
It's all about the power and control of the uniparty.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican But Reregistered to VOTE Trump at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (AhyHb)
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Funny to see so many people here trash Sasse when they evidently don't know much about him or his backstory.
He is not some "GOPe RINO". He had to fight against the establishment to win in Nebraska.
I can tell you, from my time in Nebraska, it is a thoroughly Republican state, so much so that the Republican Party has gotten complacent and corrupt. Ben Sasse was a threat to all of them, coming from outside the Nebraska GOP Network of Good Ole Boys, and he beat them all and won.
But because some people don't like what he says now, that makes him a "RINO" and "GOPe" and "useless turd". Ha. He is basically the Ted Cruz of the Great Plains.
He is not some "GOPe RINO". He had to fight against the establishment to win in Nebraska.
I can tell you, from my time in Nebraska, it is a thoroughly Republican state, so much so that the Republican Party has gotten complacent and corrupt. Ben Sasse was a threat to all of them, coming from outside the Nebraska GOP Network of Good Ole Boys, and he beat them all and won.
But because some people don't like what he says now, that makes him a "RINO" and "GOPe" and "useless turd". Ha. He is basically the Ted Cruz of the Great Plains.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (dpnZC)
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>>>203 Ignoramus is exactly his username but he's not a c-unit. Come on man.
FUCK YOU. I'm sick of the Trumpkin Way: I say I don't like Trump; the Trumpkins insult ME, when I have NEVER insulted them.
I told the Trumpkins this was a bannable tic of theirs, a bannable bit of hero-emulation/hero-worship.
I renew that warning.
FUCK YOU. I'm sick of the Trumpkin Way: I say I don't like Trump; the Trumpkins insult ME, when I have NEVER insulted them.
I told the Trumpkins this was a bannable tic of theirs, a bannable bit of hero-emulation/hero-worship.
I renew that warning.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (dciA+)
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When arguing with a liberal, it becomes more and more evident that you're getting nowhere because they begin with the firm belief that you're a racist, bigoted, uneducated, unsophisticated sister fucker.
You spend 98% of your time trying to convince them that, no, just because you're a republican it doesn't mean you're a dues paying KKK member.
We're at the same disadvantage here.
Ace has it planted in his mind that Trump is a big government authoritarian ready to control every facet of his life, and that the only people who can't see that are racist, bigoted, uneducated, unsophisticated sister fuckers.
It's pretty hard to have a productive conversation when one of the parties isn't about to listen.
We need to wait a few months for the hysterics to wear down, then try to approach it again.
You spend 98% of your time trying to convince them that, no, just because you're a republican it doesn't mean you're a dues paying KKK member.
We're at the same disadvantage here.
Ace has it planted in his mind that Trump is a big government authoritarian ready to control every facet of his life, and that the only people who can't see that are racist, bigoted, uneducated, unsophisticated sister fuckers.
It's pretty hard to have a productive conversation when one of the parties isn't about to listen.
We need to wait a few months for the hysterics to wear down, then try to approach it again.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (hWrM7)
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I'm voting for a 3rd Party for POTUS. I am #NeverTrump and have been since July/August last year.
The Libertarian Party, which is ridiculously ideologically rigid on a lot of things I don't agree with them about, still offers me more in terms of freedom and getting the US Gov't. to leave me the fuck alone than any other party.
So I am now a lowly detestable Libertarian.
So. Fucked. We. Are.
The Libertarian Party, which is ridiculously ideologically rigid on a lot of things I don't agree with them about, still offers me more in terms of freedom and getting the US Gov't. to leave me the fuck alone than any other party.
So I am now a lowly detestable Libertarian.
So. Fucked. We. Are.
Posted by: CozMark (stocking up on ammo) at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (CbGSW)
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167 It's much easier to take over the Republican Party than it is to build a 3rd Party.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (C6cBW)
sorry, but the Republican BRAND has been destroyed for much of the electorate.
The don't so much vote Dem, as Anti Republican...
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:22 PM (C6cBW)
sorry, but the Republican BRAND has been destroyed for much of the electorate.
The don't so much vote Dem, as Anti Republican...
Posted by: Don Quixote at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (qf6WZ)
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You think Obama's a genius?
I think that he had political geniuses running his campaign.
I think that he has no compunction about 'punching back twice as hard' when it comes to his and his lefty comrades 'beliefs'.
I think he knocked the fcuk out of the 'nice guys' he ran against.
I don't think that the general consensus that a purer, more polite conservative is all that is needed to win an election is true.
You think Obama's a genius?
I think that he had political geniuses running his campaign.
I think that he has no compunction about 'punching back twice as hard' when it comes to his and his lefty comrades 'beliefs'.
I think he knocked the fcuk out of the 'nice guys' he ran against.
I don't think that the general consensus that a purer, more polite conservative is all that is needed to win an election is true.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (Gwldq)
Posted by: Kate58 at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (MvtKs)
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I'd just like the government and all the self-appointed experts to leave me the fuck alone. Don't make me ball up my fists.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (Eyx+b)
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The inevitable statement is, "I voted my conscience". As though, the election was about their feelings , rather than who was going to be President.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
_________
x1000
I also had to take jobs that were not my "dream job"
The idea that every vote I cast has to be for some perfect candidate is childish.
Voting is not some religious exercise where we're establishing communion with God. We're voting for bureaucrats. Pick one.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
_________
x1000
I also had to take jobs that were not my "dream job"
The idea that every vote I cast has to be for some perfect candidate is childish.
Voting is not some religious exercise where we're establishing communion with God. We're voting for bureaucrats. Pick one.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (C6cBW)
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"Experts" claim that Perot took as many votes away from Clinton as from Bush and was therefore irrelevant.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (k4M/B)
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Fucking asshole.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (UgU+f)
I'm pretty much with you on that.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 05, 2016 12:25 PM (UgU+f)
I'm pretty much with you on that.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (4ng05)
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s/b the general consensus here
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (Gwldq)
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I'm sorry, I'm truly sorry from the bottom of the heart that I do, in
fact, have, that I've taken part in it in the past. I'm sorrier that I
know I'll do so in the future, probably before I've finished lunch.
Well said.
fact, have, that I've taken part in it in the past. I'm sorrier that I
know I'll do so in the future, probably before I've finished lunch.
Well said.
Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (DL2i+)
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The claim that Trump is an authoritarian is idiotic.
Oh really?
So he *didn't* sue a reporter for libel (and lose) because the reporter said some things about him that he didn't like?
How would you describe that kind of impulse? Charitable?
Oh really?
So he *didn't* sue a reporter for libel (and lose) because the reporter said some things about him that he didn't like?
How would you describe that kind of impulse? Charitable?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (dpnZC)
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Sure, Ben, this is brilliant! We could find this guy that could unite all the disaffected voters and defeat both Trump and Hilary. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (kTF2Z)
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"When it comes to Donald Trump, I like Donald Trump. I think he's terrific. I think he's brash. I think he speaks the truth."
- Ted Cruz
- Ted Cruz
Posted by: Hector at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (pY6mC)
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Trump IS the 3rd party option, but he's doing it via hostile takeover of the GOP. He'll be running as a Republican but without the standard "Republican negatives" that we usually get tarred with. He has his OWN negatives, for sure, but it's different. Their playbook, their ruthlessly effective goddamn lefty playbook, isn't going to work this year.
And the accusations of racism and misogyny have never rung so hollow as they have in the past several years. Not because of Trump, but because of the left's overuse of them, and their attempt to leverage less and less reasonable things with them.
I'm sayin there's a chance
And the accusations of racism and misogyny have never rung so hollow as they have in the past several years. Not because of Trump, but because of the left's overuse of them, and their attempt to leverage less and less reasonable things with them.
I'm sayin there's a chance
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (xuouz)
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162 But when we wanted to go third party, we were, once again, called names. That we had to reform the republican party. Now that we have done something that threatens the current power structure, they will go third party.
I don't know who this fellow is but he can suck a nice wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican But Reregistered to VOTE Trump at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (AhyHb)
We gave them the ball in 2010 and, especially, 2014 and they shit all over us. I'll re-register to vote for Trump, too.
Then, promptly, chuck it.
I don't know who this fellow is but he can suck a nice wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican But Reregistered to VOTE Trump at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (AhyHb)
We gave them the ball in 2010 and, especially, 2014 and they shit all over us. I'll re-register to vote for Trump, too.
Then, promptly, chuck it.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (rbPBV)
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The inevitable statement is, "I voted my conscience". As though, the election was about their feelings , rather than who was going to be President.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., e
Voting my conscience is first cousin to "following my heart". I'm going to " vote my conscience" and vote for Trump now, because my conscience would be curbstomped by being a small part of letting Hillary in the White House.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., e
Voting my conscience is first cousin to "following my heart". I'm going to " vote my conscience" and vote for Trump now, because my conscience would be curbstomped by being a small part of letting Hillary in the White House.
Posted by: kraken at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (mHL0c)
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Interesting experiment, but who is this "leader"
he's talking about? Seems to me we just had a primary season and he
didn't show up. Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (kTF2Z)
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Too little, too late. Where has he been? Sucking up to the GOPe 'leaders' in the Senate.
he's talking about? Seems to me we just had a primary season and he
didn't show up. Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 05, 2016 12:12 PM (kTF2Z)
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Too little, too late. Where has he been? Sucking up to the GOPe 'leaders' in the Senate.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (MIKMs)
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LGoPs: "All those talking 3rd Party need to remember Ross Perot."
That was a three way split. This might be four. I really don't see a reason that Bernie Sanders wouldn't run, as a Socialist, if the Democrats steal the nomination from him and hand it to Clinton.
Why would he be loyal to the Democrats? He might caucus with them, but he's not even a Democrat.
And he's old enough that he just might not give a fuck. Maybe we should start a push right now, start donating to his campaign so he has a big enough war chest that it seems particularly appealing to him.
That was a three way split. This might be four. I really don't see a reason that Bernie Sanders wouldn't run, as a Socialist, if the Democrats steal the nomination from him and hand it to Clinton.
Why would he be loyal to the Democrats? He might caucus with them, but he's not even a Democrat.
And he's old enough that he just might not give a fuck. Maybe we should start a push right now, start donating to his campaign so he has a big enough war chest that it seems particularly appealing to him.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (LqrRo)
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So much for freedom of speech. Goodbye.
ps appreciate being called a fucking cunt
ps appreciate being called a fucking cunt
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: hilllary at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (f4AGl)
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For a Republican senator to pen an open letter basically telling Republican voters to skip this election is essentially a barely-cryptic too-cute-by-half endorsement of Hillary Clinton.
For a Republican senator to pen an open letter basically telling Republican voters to skip this election is essentially a barely-cryptic too-cute-by-half endorsement of Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (h+IVw)
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Funny how third party candidates are always a stupid and wasted vote... Until you find yourself not liking either of the other two.
New Bull Moose Party, perhaps?
Although really wouldn't Trump be the closest thing to Teddy Roosevelt? Liberalish but stubborn as hell and accidentally the GOP's man?
New Bull Moose Party, perhaps?
Although really wouldn't Trump be the closest thing to Teddy Roosevelt? Liberalish but stubborn as hell and accidentally the GOP's man?
Posted by: Rory at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (644qL)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (xuouz)
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Dig my ass up and you'll get second place!!
Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (326rv)
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So Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst took a sip of Flint water. Too bad he didn't drink enough to get smarter.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (hWrM7)
Even that turd Michael Moore was enraged at Obama's do-nothing drop-in to Flint.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (hWrM7)
Even that turd Michael Moore was enraged at Obama's do-nothing drop-in to Flint.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (ozZau)
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We need to wait a few months for the hysterics to wear down, then try to approach it again.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (Zs4uk)
The hysterics are just getting going. The convention is going to be a nightmare, probably riots at the very least.
We're at the end of the beginning.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 12:29 PM (Zs4uk)
The hysterics are just getting going. The convention is going to be a nightmare, probably riots at the very least.
We're at the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (4ErVI)
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More than 2/3 of America prefers a candidate with views that run from center-Left to COMMIE LEFT.
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Yup. As I said, the majority wants:
(1) Celebrity culture, which filters down to the common man's level as a desire to do what-the-fuck-ever without consequences, and
(2) Gibs muh dat.
The Free Shit Army has different divisions, battalions, and platoons, but they're all united in their goal of getting free shit.
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Yup. As I said, the majority wants:
(1) Celebrity culture, which filters down to the common man's level as a desire to do what-the-fuck-ever without consequences, and
(2) Gibs muh dat.
The Free Shit Army has different divisions, battalions, and platoons, but they're all united in their goal of getting free shit.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (aFa2V)
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sorry, but the Republican BRAND has been destroyed for much of the electorate.
The don't so much vote Dem, as Anti Republican...
Posted by: Don Quixote
Democrats lost several landslides in a row, two where they lost 49 states.
Right now, the GOP has more seats in Congress than basically anytime in 100 years. Also more Governors, state legislators, etc.
The idea that something cannot be salvaged from that is absurd.
The don't so much vote Dem, as Anti Republican...
Posted by: Don Quixote
Democrats lost several landslides in a row, two where they lost 49 states.
Right now, the GOP has more seats in Congress than basically anytime in 100 years. Also more Governors, state legislators, etc.
The idea that something cannot be salvaged from that is absurd.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (C6cBW)
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I have NO sympathy for anyone here who sides with Kristol in lame denials. The man whined about conservative Republican candidates while supporting milquetoast establishment candidates who would have rolled over for the Hildabeast. He pooh-poohed Trump and Trump supporters, and now he is crying because the guy he didn't like got on top. A bit old for that sort of thing, I should think!
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (ry4ab)
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209 America is getting what it deserves.
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I might modify that to say America is getting what it wanted.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)
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America is the chick who laments how she can't find a nice guy and in the next breath jumping on the back of the motorcycle of the next asshole with a handsome face.
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I might modify that to say America is getting what it wanted.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)
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America is the chick who laments how she can't find a nice guy and in the next breath jumping on the back of the motorcycle of the next asshole with a handsome face.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (KUaJL)
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People get the government they deserve. The rest of us are just sliding down the drain with them...
Posted by: macleod at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (Qf5bp)
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (8v0G6)
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250, Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (4ErVI)
So, its come to Cleveland for the convention, stay for the rioting?
So, its come to Cleveland for the convention, stay for the rioting?
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (a0IVu)
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BTW speaking of Cruz, is the campaign still on life support, or is he still in the race right now?
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (ry4ab)
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If Ben Sasse really believes this then he should have started the push for a third party right after the 2014 election when the repubs started caving to Fredo's every whim and edict.
Pushing for a third party just months before a general election always helps the candidate who's party remains intact. And whatever happens, the dems always manage to remain intact.
Focus should be on defeating the Hildebeast. Whatever anyone says, she's a much greater destroyer of thing American than Trump could ever be.
Pushing for a third party just months before a general election always helps the candidate who's party remains intact. And whatever happens, the dems always manage to remain intact.
Focus should be on defeating the Hildebeast. Whatever anyone says, she's a much greater destroyer of thing American than Trump could ever be.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (6hZFv)
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The idea that every vote I cast has to be for some perfect candidate is childish.
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So is the idea that I have to vote for someone who I think will be an awful awful president and who's ideology is basically 180 degrees from my own.
Its not that I think Trump is less than perfect, its that I think he is completely unfit for the job - in terms of temperament and ideology.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
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So is the idea that I have to vote for someone who I think will be an awful awful president and who's ideology is basically 180 degrees from my own.
Its not that I think Trump is less than perfect, its that I think he is completely unfit for the job - in terms of temperament and ideology.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (gmeXX)
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Ace,
I appreciate your post and I hope I won't get banned if I say this, but please consider taking a break-When was the last time you had one?-I mean a real vacation? Someone suggested unplugging-really unplugging. Just going somewhere beautiful with no internet access and taking along some books, because as bad as Golden's post was probably saying that someone should F off and die the sooner the better is indicative of someone who's under a lot of stress.
I appreciate your post and I hope I won't get banned if I say this, but please consider taking a break-When was the last time you had one?-I mean a real vacation? Someone suggested unplugging-really unplugging. Just going somewhere beautiful with no internet access and taking along some books, because as bad as Golden's post was probably saying that someone should F off and die the sooner the better is indicative of someone who's under a lot of stress.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (w4NZ8)
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You've become a sad parody of yourself.
Posted by: Golden at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (3ZtZW)
Alfred the Wise, Resigned Butler:
"Some men just want to see themselves banned."
Posted by: Golden at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (3ZtZW)
Alfred the Wise, Resigned Butler:
"Some men just want to see themselves banned."
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: ed gibbon at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (czqRc)
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So he *didn't* sue a reporter for libel (and lose) because the reporter said some things about him that he didn't like?
How would you describe that kind of impulse? Charitable?
Posted by: chemjeff
It's called an emotional outburst.
Kind of like calling for a losing 3rd party at this point.
How would you describe that kind of impulse? Charitable?
Posted by: chemjeff
It's called an emotional outburst.
Kind of like calling for a losing 3rd party at this point.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (OcD4G)
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Trump himself will inevitably be demolished
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Dana Milbank is today eating his column in which he predicted Trump's inevitable defeat in the primaries. See Drudge. Misunderestimate Trump at your peril.
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Dana Milbank is today eating his column in which he predicted Trump's inevitable defeat in the primaries. See Drudge. Misunderestimate Trump at your peril.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (Nwg0u)
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Anybody but Hillary. Period.
Sure taking a chance on Trump is risky. But I am 50-50 odds on Trump.
I know 100% what I'll get from Hillary. Good and hard, with know lubrication.
Sure taking a chance on Trump is risky. But I am 50-50 odds on Trump.
I know 100% what I'll get from Hillary. Good and hard, with know lubrication.
Posted by: ugg wigs at May 05, 2016 12:34 PM (ZnIt3)
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I can tell you, from my time in Nebraska, it is a thoroughly Republican state,
Two words: Bob 4-hour Erection Dole.
Two more words: Bob Fucking Kerrey.
I can tell you, from my time in Nebraska, it is a thoroughly Republican state,
Two words: Bob 4-hour Erection Dole.
Two more words: Bob Fucking Kerrey.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:34 PM (h+IVw)
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At this rate, I may be "voting my conscience" by staying home.
I can think of much more productive things to do with my time. And they might even help the cause more.
I can think of much more productive things to do with my time. And they might even help the cause more.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 12:34 PM (9krrF)
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later dayz, trumpkin.
go practice your hero-emulation "an insult is a rilly rilly good political argument, and any disagreement with trump is *indirectly* a slur on my 'class'" trumpkinism elsewhere.
go practice your hero-emulation "an insult is a rilly rilly good political argument, and any disagreement with trump is *indirectly* a slur on my 'class'" trumpkinism elsewhere.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:34 PM (dciA+)
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Whew lad!
Anna, does that needle perchance drip with hepatitis?
Doesn't matter. Hand it over when you're done.
Anna, does that needle perchance drip with hepatitis?
Doesn't matter. Hand it over when you're done.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:34 PM (4ErVI)
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And just get Golden banned. Nobody should have to put up with that on their own blog. They're trying to push your buttons.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:34 PM (w4NZ8)
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Two more words: Ben fucking Nelson.
Two more words: Ben fucking Nelson.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (h+IVw)
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Goodbye Golden.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX)
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The hysterics are just getting going. The convention is going to be a nightmare, probably riots at the very least.
We're at the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (4ErVI)
There will be riots: from the left.
We need to stop slapping each other in the face and focus on mounting a counterattack on global socialism.
We must use the most effective weapon we have to hand to do so.
We're at the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:31 PM (4ErVI)
There will be riots: from the left.
We need to stop slapping each other in the face and focus on mounting a counterattack on global socialism.
We must use the most effective weapon we have to hand to do so.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (xuouz)
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ace well if one assumes the outcome of the general is known (to a degree making it a near-certainty), then the discussion is reduced to fairly out-there hypotheticals about third party and such.
I don't know the future either, but I am skeptical that the outcome is as certain as you seem to think.
But anyway, I find Sasse's diagnosis pretty lame, in a typical way. The pathologies afflicting the two major parties are very, very, very different.
The GOP's problem is pretty obvious (and you eloquently rant about it, or used to, before like many of us - I think - you sort of gave up, at least to a degree). It either does not share the priorities and views and instincts of its voters (and in many cases of the electorate as a whole - amnesty, and other items), and lies about that, or it does share the same general outlook but is too stupid or cowardly to act on it effectively.
The Dems? Not even remotely the situation with them. Unless you consider that a large number of things the Dems do have little to no support among their critical NPR-listener/suburban/coastal base, but are simply not covered much by the press, or of course never put into relief by effective GOP opposition.
I don't know the future either, but I am skeptical that the outcome is as certain as you seem to think.
But anyway, I find Sasse's diagnosis pretty lame, in a typical way. The pathologies afflicting the two major parties are very, very, very different.
The GOP's problem is pretty obvious (and you eloquently rant about it, or used to, before like many of us - I think - you sort of gave up, at least to a degree). It either does not share the priorities and views and instincts of its voters (and in many cases of the electorate as a whole - amnesty, and other items), and lies about that, or it does share the same general outlook but is too stupid or cowardly to act on it effectively.
The Dems? Not even remotely the situation with them. Unless you consider that a large number of things the Dems do have little to no support among their critical NPR-listener/suburban/coastal base, but are simply not covered much by the press, or of course never put into relief by effective GOP opposition.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (QDnY+)
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Ben is from Nebraska right? Maybe he should address the shitty qb on the football team instead. Then they would have a chance to win again. As for his 3rd party idea, next time do it earlier and do it often. To late now cornhusker.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (rgXmo)
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>>>I appreciate your post and I hope I won't get banned if I say this, but please consider taking a break-When was the last time you had one?-I mean a real vacation?
yeah i do need one. It's been like two years. Basically I just have off the days around christmas and new years.
it's hard to arrange.
yeah i do need one. It's been like two years. Basically I just have off the days around christmas and new years.
it's hard to arrange.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (dciA+)
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So, its come to Cleveland for the convention, stay for the rioting?
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (a0IVu)
Apparently it's impossible to tell if a riot is taking place in Cleveland because Cleveland.
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2016 12:32 PM (a0IVu)
Apparently it's impossible to tell if a riot is taking place in Cleveland because Cleveland.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (4ErVI)
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263 Ace,
I appreciate your post and I hope I won't get banned if I say this, but please consider taking a break-When was the last time you had one?-I mean a real vacation? Someone suggested unplugging-really unplugging. Just going somewhere beautiful with no internet access and taking along some books, because as bad as Golden's post was probably saying that someone should F off and die the sooner the better is indicative of someone who's under a lot of stress.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (w4NZ
+1ing Fenelon here. Ace, I'm legitimately worried about you right now.
I appreciate your post and I hope I won't get banned if I say this, but please consider taking a break-When was the last time you had one?-I mean a real vacation? Someone suggested unplugging-really unplugging. Just going somewhere beautiful with no internet access and taking along some books, because as bad as Golden's post was probably saying that someone should F off and die the sooner the better is indicative of someone who's under a lot of stress.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (w4NZ
+1ing Fenelon here. Ace, I'm legitimately worried about you right now.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (KUaJL)
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I just don't see enough daylight between H Clinton and the H Clinton donor.
Trump is big government. So is Hlilary. Trump is for executive over reach. So is Hillary.
A vote for one is the same as the other.
Whats that you said? Something about a wall he sold you?
Trump is big government. So is Hlilary. Trump is for executive over reach. So is Hillary.
A vote for one is the same as the other.
Whats that you said? Something about a wall he sold you?
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (Gl74b)
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Everyone here wanted to burn down the GOPe, scatter the stones, salt the earth.
Here's your chance. The first step, the hard step, is done -- force the GOP to nominate a high-functioning retard, an embarrassment with insurmountably high negatives.
Now nominate someone from a new, conservative party. Hey, there's a name right there -- Conservative Party. It emphasizes the contrast between us the the GOP. Perry doesn't have much else to do, or to lose.
Then encourage Bernie Sanders, with a few donations, to enter as a socialist and give us the 4 way split we'd need. Once the Conservative Party takes the presidency, in 2 years, we could work on prying away senate and house seats.
Here's your chance. The first step, the hard step, is done -- force the GOP to nominate a high-functioning retard, an embarrassment with insurmountably high negatives.
Now nominate someone from a new, conservative party. Hey, there's a name right there -- Conservative Party. It emphasizes the contrast between us the the GOP. Perry doesn't have much else to do, or to lose.
Then encourage Bernie Sanders, with a few donations, to enter as a socialist and give us the 4 way split we'd need. Once the Conservative Party takes the presidency, in 2 years, we could work on prying away senate and house seats.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 05, 2016 12:36 PM (LqrRo)
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214 Remember the "Three Percenters"? Sounds like Patterico is rallying them again.
http://bit.ly/1SPquAF
Posted by: RushBabe at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (OuXal)
I could go for that. An organized, rational approach. But I won't do it for some asshat entrenched, self interested politician like Sasse.
http://bit.ly/1SPquAF
Posted by: RushBabe at May 05, 2016 12:28 PM (OuXal)
I could go for that. An organized, rational approach. But I won't do it for some asshat entrenched, self interested politician like Sasse.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:36 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 12:36 PM (t5zYU)
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'The Golden Road to Unlimited Bannanation' is the Best Song Phil Lesh ever wrote.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 12:36 PM (ZcEXv)
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The Republican party is dead. You can sit by the rotting corpse if you want to. I'll be moving on.
Feel the Johnson.
Feel the Johnson.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at May 05, 2016 12:36 PM (F2rZx)
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basically, it's "we need a 3rd party or the country will be lost, but I'm sure as hell not going to give up my comfortable job to pursue it"
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Who will bell the cat?
basically, it's "we need a 3rd party or the country will be lost, but I'm sure as hell not going to give up my comfortable job to pursue it"
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Who will bell the cat?
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (pC96u)
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yeah i do need one. It's been like two years. Basically I just have off the days around christmas and new years.
it's hard to arrange.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (dciA+)
Leave the blog to a trusted cob and take a nice vacation. Go sit on a beach or a mountaintop and get some rest.
it's hard to arrange.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (dciA+)
Leave the blog to a trusted cob and take a nice vacation. Go sit on a beach or a mountaintop and get some rest.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (FsuaD)
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Everything could change in an instant if al-Mahdi decides to crawl out of the well and organize his bloody occultists.
The wolf is in the barn.
The wolf is in the barn.
Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (UzPAd)
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And, again, these riots are Trump's fault? How, exactly, is that? The basic leftist argument against Trump is that he is a racist, a proposition I see no evidence supporting.
There will be riots. They won't be Trump's fault.
There will be riots. They won't be Trump's fault.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (Nwg0u)
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Bob Dole was Kansas.
Bob Kerrey is a Dem but he's a war hero and a successful businessman and a lot of people here appreciated it.
Bob Kerrey is a Dem but he's a war hero and a successful businessman and a lot of people here appreciated it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (4ErVI)
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>>yeah i do need one. It's been like two years.
Head to Great Falls.
I'll pick you up at the airport and have you fishing in under 45 minutes.
Head to Great Falls.
I'll pick you up at the airport and have you fishing in under 45 minutes.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (ZcEXv)
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Yup. As I said, the majority wants:
(1) Celebrity culture, which filters down to the common man's level as a desire to do what-the-fuck-ever without consequences, and
(2) Gibs muh dat.
The Free Shit Army has different divisions, battalions, and platoons, but they're all united in their goal of getting free shit.
As I have said, if that's the case, it doesn't matter who we nominate. The 52% FSA has spoken.
52% beats 48% every time.
(1) Celebrity culture, which filters down to the common man's level as a desire to do what-the-fuck-ever without consequences, and
(2) Gibs muh dat.
The Free Shit Army has different divisions, battalions, and platoons, but they're all united in their goal of getting free shit.
As I have said, if that's the case, it doesn't matter who we nominate. The 52% FSA has spoken.
52% beats 48% every time.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (6hZFv)
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Well this has been an optimistic Thread.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (V/InG)
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"Its not that I think Trump is less than perfect, its that I think he is completely unfit for the job - in terms of temperament and ideology.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much."
Cosigned
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much."
Cosigned
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (Covpc)
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57 Here in Canada, we saw our establishment "conservative" crap the bed so badly in the 80's that it spawned a 3rd party.
That led to 15 yrs of Liberal rule, but in the end it also led to a stronger more unified and more conservative option to the left wing parties.
Imagine a situation where a 3rd party does get in, leading to 4 years of utter gridlock in Washington. That might not be so bad... If government can't get rolled back, limiting ongoing growth is second best.
Posted by: Kevin Canuck at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (Hlv/w)
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I think your country being vastly more homogeneous than ours, economically and otherwise can afford and survive multi-party politics.
Our country is uniquely and extremely pluralistic. We have a world of tinpot dictators who deflect blame from themselves by scapegoating the U.S. ---and we have larger enemies rooting for our demise. The turmoil will be far reaching.
That led to 15 yrs of Liberal rule, but in the end it also led to a stronger more unified and more conservative option to the left wing parties.
Imagine a situation where a 3rd party does get in, leading to 4 years of utter gridlock in Washington. That might not be so bad... If government can't get rolled back, limiting ongoing growth is second best.
Posted by: Kevin Canuck at May 05, 2016 12:08 PM (Hlv/w)
************
I think your country being vastly more homogeneous than ours, economically and otherwise can afford and survive multi-party politics.
Our country is uniquely and extremely pluralistic. We have a world of tinpot dictators who deflect blame from themselves by scapegoating the U.S. ---and we have larger enemies rooting for our demise. The turmoil will be far reaching.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (mcm0N)
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>>> because as bad as Golden's post was probably saying that someone should F off and die the sooner the better is indicative of someone who's under a lot of stress.
it's a general thing with these Trump Hero Emulators. They really do think that just insulting people is a useful emotional pressure (pressure, not persausion), and their hero does it, and it "works" (check out the 65% disapproval rating!), so why shouldn't they do as their hero does?
A lot of them are authoritarians -- they have this idea if they just FORCE people to come to terms, then they win.
They don't seem to understand that many people are conservatives precisely because they don't like the force of the stupid, gibbering mob.
it's a general thing with these Trump Hero Emulators. They really do think that just insulting people is a useful emotional pressure (pressure, not persausion), and their hero does it, and it "works" (check out the 65% disapproval rating!), so why shouldn't they do as their hero does?
A lot of them are authoritarians -- they have this idea if they just FORCE people to come to terms, then they win.
They don't seem to understand that many people are conservatives precisely because they don't like the force of the stupid, gibbering mob.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (dciA+)
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. But anyone claiming Trump is an "authoritarian"
and pretending it's the Third Reich rising is a dishonest, lying, hack
who needs to be called out for stupid, nonsense, emotional arguments.
Anyone
who wants to make such a stupid, silly, childish claim to rationalize
their infant-like tantrum because they didn't get their way for once
needs to be called on it.
Posted by: Golden at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)
Such a stupid, silly, and childish claim you make. But maybe I'm not understanding your reasoning. Can you, first, share what you evaluated in order to arrive at the conclusion that some think the Trumpeteer Swan would be "the Third Reich rising"?It may help if you define the terms you're working under. What is your definition of "authoritarian" and "Third Reich"? Definitions are needed. Without them your response comes across as emotional and child like.No one is perfect, so what do YOU identify as Trumps major weaknesses? Maybe theres some common ground.Thanks!
and pretending it's the Third Reich rising is a dishonest, lying, hack
who needs to be called out for stupid, nonsense, emotional arguments.
Anyone
who wants to make such a stupid, silly, childish claim to rationalize
their infant-like tantrum because they didn't get their way for once
needs to be called on it.
Posted by: Golden at May 05, 2016 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)
Such a stupid, silly, and childish claim you make. But maybe I'm not understanding your reasoning. Can you, first, share what you evaluated in order to arrive at the conclusion that some think the Trumpeteer Swan would be "the Third Reich rising"?It may help if you define the terms you're working under. What is your definition of "authoritarian" and "Third Reich"? Definitions are needed. Without them your response comes across as emotional and child like.No one is perfect, so what do YOU identify as Trumps major weaknesses? Maybe theres some common ground.Thanks!
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (aRUb8)
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It might have been nice to have focused a tad more on the assholes giving life to Katshit, ad while there was time to , ya' know, actually have an effect.. But to try this,"I'm from the party that demanded your votes after demonizing you the base, and I'm here to talk to you about...get this....principles."!?!
I'm pleasantly surprised that the Stupid party didn't have Mitch the Bitch deliver this gem.
I'm pleasantly surprised that the Stupid party didn't have Mitch the Bitch deliver this gem.
Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (326rv)
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Meltdown continues apace.
Posted by: ChocoCheese at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (OvUux)
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It's hilarious to hear that pundits think "the American people" actually choose anything. With delegates, money, special interests, money, PACs, money, assorted People of Influence, and...money, the American people and our pathetic delusion of a "vote," mean diddly squat.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (BxjBq)
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (h+IVw)
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The last time I actually voted for someone was Ronald Reagan, I've been voting against candidates since that time. Ace, I'm assuming you voted for McCain and Romney and they were both terrible candidates. The choices we have are Trump and Clinton, that's it. This seems like a no brainer to me; I'll be voting against a candidate once again.
Posted by: storm at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (sXw5j)
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yeah i do need one. It's been like two years. Basically I just have off the days around christmas and new years.
it's hard to arrange.
I don't understand this. Can't you do your job from anywhere at any time through the miracle of the InterWebz? Go down to Florida, put up 3 posts a day on anything and the Morons will fill the space.
it's hard to arrange.
I don't understand this. Can't you do your job from anywhere at any time through the miracle of the InterWebz? Go down to Florida, put up 3 posts a day on anything and the Morons will fill the space.
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders who we are talking about at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (evdj2)
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I want to echo Fen at >259
Take a break, even just a couple days, and figure out your take on this election. You have all of us down here in the comments (and the greater media culture we are a microcosm of) to bash each other on the head with ad nauseam "Yes he is" "no he isn't" Trumpkin/NeverTrump bs.
We need your voice and your unique take on things. If the goal can't be "elect Trump" for you then maybe laying the groundwork for a third party and examining the coming campaign through that lens can be.
Take a break, even just a couple days, and figure out your take on this election. You have all of us down here in the comments (and the greater media culture we are a microcosm of) to bash each other on the head with ad nauseam "Yes he is" "no he isn't" Trumpkin/NeverTrump bs.
We need your voice and your unique take on things. If the goal can't be "elect Trump" for you then maybe laying the groundwork for a third party and examining the coming campaign through that lens can be.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (xuouz)
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basically, it's "we need a 3rd party or the country will be lost, but I'm sure as hell not going to give up my comfortable job to pursue it"
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Who will bell the cat?
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It would take real political leadership by some young people - Cruz, Sasse, Paul, Lee (even Rubio if he wanted to redeem himself). Cotton. People who would be risking their political career on something better. It would take someone or a few who can seed it with a lot of money, and really build up an organization.
I seem to recall from history a group of people who did this once before.
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Who will bell the cat?
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It would take real political leadership by some young people - Cruz, Sasse, Paul, Lee (even Rubio if he wanted to redeem himself). Cotton. People who would be risking their political career on something better. It would take someone or a few who can seed it with a lot of money, and really build up an organization.
I seem to recall from history a group of people who did this once before.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
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And in real News:
Anti-Semitic Labour Party Muslim To Become First Mayor Of Londonistan
Weasel Zippers
Anti-Semitic Labour Party Muslim To Become First Mayor Of Londonistan
Weasel Zippers
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (V/InG)
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Thirding FS joe. This damn election has been getting to all of us and it's clear you're taking it especially hard, Ace. It's not good for your health, physical, mental, or spiritual. (c.f. "why Brother Cavil checked out months ago")
In fact, I think a lot of us here would do well to do likewise. Myself likely included, God knows I have enough other things to worry about.
In fact, I think a lot of us here would do well to do likewise. Myself likely included, God knows I have enough other things to worry about.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (9krrF)
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Hey, Golden, we get it, you're completely emotionally invested in your candidate and it gives you a sad when people don't like him for what he says, how he acts, and his "off the cuff" idiocies.
I may vote for him, I may not, but you need to dial it back a few notches. Operating at 11 for any length of time is not good.
I may vote for him, I may not, but you need to dial it back a few notches. Operating at 11 for any length of time is not good.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (U+nHb)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (w4NZ8)
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I'm sayin there's a chance
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (xuouz)
Good point, and you're a good person.
Listen, is there some way y'all could have a retreat with Trump and explain this Bill of rights concept to him, if only so that people like me will vote for him?
Here's an example. A couple of years ago, both Trump and Carson weren't too clear on the second amendment thingy. Some people took them both aside and thoroughly coached them on it, because if you don't get that right, you don't get a GOP nomination. They learned well.
Whatever it takes, Trump needs to get his head right on the other 9 amendments. All of them, although he's a lost cause on the fifth, which is still reason enough for me to oppose him.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:30 PM (xuouz)
Good point, and you're a good person.
Listen, is there some way y'all could have a retreat with Trump and explain this Bill of rights concept to him, if only so that people like me will vote for him?
Here's an example. A couple of years ago, both Trump and Carson weren't too clear on the second amendment thingy. Some people took them both aside and thoroughly coached them on it, because if you don't get that right, you don't get a GOP nomination. They learned well.
Whatever it takes, Trump needs to get his head right on the other 9 amendments. All of them, although he's a lost cause on the fifth, which is still reason enough for me to oppose him.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (ozZau)
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Even that turd Michael Moore was enraged at Obama's do-nothing drop-in to Flint.
Posted by: stace
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But, was he waving arm flaps and shouting "Fcuk you!" ?
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But, was he waving arm flaps and shouting "Fcuk you!" ?
Posted by: Triggly Puff at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (9mTYi)
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"it's hard to arrange."
I'm telling you ace, you need to go get a cabin for a few days. Do it now before the minions are released from school.
I'm telling you ace, you need to go get a cabin for a few days. Do it now before the minions are released from school.
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (Covpc)
Posted by: George Soros at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (F1ndw)
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And in the case of trump, the peasants are truly revolting (lookin' at you Seamus).
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Let's be clear- I hope you are referencing me because of the play on words, not because of any pro-Trump position.
I have been rigorously agnostic when it comes to Trump.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Let's be clear- I hope you are referencing me because of the play on words, not because of any pro-Trump position.
I have been rigorously agnostic when it comes to Trump.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (NeFrd)
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One-fourth of the voting public have voted for Hillary.. less than that have voted for Trump.
While I would be fine with a third party, since we are 99% most likely gonna lose with Trump anyway, I don't see how any candidate could appeal to all those who did not vote for Trump or Hillary.
Worse.. time is running very short for getting ballot access in all 50 states.
But it would be interesting..
While I would be fine with a third party, since we are 99% most likely gonna lose with Trump anyway, I don't see how any candidate could appeal to all those who did not vote for Trump or Hillary.
Worse.. time is running very short for getting ballot access in all 50 states.
But it would be interesting..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (so+oy)
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Trump doesn't want less government, he just wants different outcomes from government intervention.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (2PHKP)
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Writing-in Cruz
Posted by: JB at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (XjTyq)
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>>>You've become a sad parody of yourself.
He's not Authoritarian!! WE WON but you motherfuckers better bow down and show fealty or else!
I predict your GOTV efforts will fail bigly. Sad!
He's not Authoritarian!! WE WON but you motherfuckers better bow down and show fealty or else!
I predict your GOTV efforts will fail bigly. Sad!
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (/E+t2)
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Also if we're all going to double down on absurd wishcasting I'd like to request you apologize to Ignoramus
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (xuouz)
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Daniel Trump is an idiot and the only loggicall choice for predent is Presdent Obama buts he be not running so vote for Sanitor Sanders for presdent. Trump is worse then that crimmminal Bush who dids everything to keep persons of color in the dregs of society. Votes for Sinator Sanders this Novemeber. Alos we still love are black presdent and supports him. Thank You Presdent Obona for everythings you be done for us hurt by that clown George Bush.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (NuElX)
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If this is how the game is going to be played, then I'm going home.
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (mf5HN)
The problem of course is that we tried to play the game normally.
We appealed to logic, and arguments and alternatives.
And yet they held on.
So inevitably we turned to mocking. I mean what am I supposed to do when the guy next to me at the caucus calls me (a person who is at their first cacus ever) an "establishment insider?"
What am I supposed to do when Trump's ferverent supporters are so afraid of being "screwed by the party" yet they can't even bother to read some rules before showing up?
There's nothing left but to mock at that point. Honestly, I'll continue mocking most likely. Because when those like Sessions realize Trump was just using their ideas to give him a leg up without any intent of implementing them, I'll have no other option than "I told you so, you dumbass."
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 05, 2016 12:09 PM (mf5HN)
The problem of course is that we tried to play the game normally.
We appealed to logic, and arguments and alternatives.
And yet they held on.
So inevitably we turned to mocking. I mean what am I supposed to do when the guy next to me at the caucus calls me (a person who is at their first cacus ever) an "establishment insider?"
What am I supposed to do when Trump's ferverent supporters are so afraid of being "screwed by the party" yet they can't even bother to read some rules before showing up?
There's nothing left but to mock at that point. Honestly, I'll continue mocking most likely. Because when those like Sessions realize Trump was just using their ideas to give him a leg up without any intent of implementing them, I'll have no other option than "I told you so, you dumbass."
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (tM4uk)
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They don't seem to understand that many people are conservatives precisely because they don't like the force of the stupid, gibbering mob.
Posted by: ace
Which, in my opinion, would include most of the clown car that campaigned this past year, and just about all of the current party leadership.
Authoritarian? A decade ago, our party banned lightbulbs. They've been wanting to force fed us amnesty for as long.
Posted by: ace
Which, in my opinion, would include most of the clown car that campaigned this past year, and just about all of the current party leadership.
Authoritarian? A decade ago, our party banned lightbulbs. They've been wanting to force fed us amnesty for as long.
Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at May 05, 2016 12:41 PM (326rv)
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Long time lurker here. I seem to recall a lot of SMOD this, and Let It Burn that being tossed around to general acclaim in the recent past. Well, here it is, and now a large portion of you are 'freezing in the door' as it were. Have you all forgotten what gave us Trump, what enabled his rise? The Republican party has continually begged for our support and failed utterly to address our concerns. In any 'normal' election year, Cruz would be my man. But we are way past normal now, and Cruz had been successfully demonized (with the help of the GOP I might add) prior to this election cycle. Point being, my vote is the ONLY weapon I or any other citizen has to make my wishes known. The party has to be brought to heel and made to know that the days of voting for the lesser of two evils are over. I have held my nose and voted for the GOP candidate since 1988, a time during which such luminaries as Bob Dole and Juan McCain were served up as standard bearers. No more. After 8 years of eating a shit sandwich, I'm willing to roll the dice. I disagree with Trump on most issues, but he has done us all one great service: he has forced the masks to come off, and I note with dismay how many that were supposed to be on my side.... aren't. Duly noted. His big selling point to me: he has all the right enemies. (making Erick Erickson cry is a bonus). So, lets get on with it. And to use the GOP's previous line of entreaty, you're either with Trump or Hillary. Its a no brainer to me, but 'principle' or something.
Posted by: Victrola at May 05, 2016 12:41 PM (69gL0)
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Trump IS the 3rd party option, but he's doing it via hostile takeover of
the GOP. He'll be running as a Republican but without the standard
"Republican negatives" that we usually get tarred with. He has his OWN
negatives, for sure, but it's different. Their playbook, their
ruthlessly effective goddamn lefty playbook, isn't going to work this
year.
And the accusations of racism and misogyny have never rung so hollow
as they have in the past several years. Not because of Trump, but
because of the left's overuse of them, and their attempt to leverage
less and less reasonable things with them.
I'm sayin there's a chance
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Now, this is a cogent argument for Trump's staying power. His supporters are a lot of angry people (mostly men of diverse ages and incomes) who are sick and tired of the barrage of hate speech and authoritarian speech from the Left. The Lamestream Media yells about Trump, and they smile, nod, and head to the polls. Trump tells all those Leftists to STFU and let him fix the country. It ain't pretty, but it gets votes, and just might work. Four years of Leftists' tears as Trump uses their own book to beat them and roll back the Socialist tide is not that bad a consolation prize. Umm, Leftist tears, they taste like Sierra Mist...
Trump IS the 3rd party option, but he's doing it via hostile takeover of
the GOP. He'll be running as a Republican but without the standard
"Republican negatives" that we usually get tarred with. He has his OWN
negatives, for sure, but it's different. Their playbook, their
ruthlessly effective goddamn lefty playbook, isn't going to work this
year.
And the accusations of racism and misogyny have never rung so hollow
as they have in the past several years. Not because of Trump, but
because of the left's overuse of them, and their attempt to leverage
less and less reasonable things with them.
I'm sayin there's a chance
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Now, this is a cogent argument for Trump's staying power. His supporters are a lot of angry people (mostly men of diverse ages and incomes) who are sick and tired of the barrage of hate speech and authoritarian speech from the Left. The Lamestream Media yells about Trump, and they smile, nod, and head to the polls. Trump tells all those Leftists to STFU and let him fix the country. It ain't pretty, but it gets votes, and just might work. Four years of Leftists' tears as Trump uses their own book to beat them and roll back the Socialist tide is not that bad a consolation prize. Umm, Leftist tears, they taste like Sierra Mist...
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:41 PM (ry4ab)
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Neither political party works.
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They have joined into the uniparty to rule against the will of the people for their own benefit.
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They have joined into the uniparty to rule against the will of the people for their own benefit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 12:41 PM (Nwg0u)
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Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (dciA+)
I understand why you're saying it. I loathe those kinds of posts towards you on your own site. I just think doing this day after day must get awfully mentally and exhausting and you're not sleeping anyway as you mentioned.
I understand why you're saying it. I loathe those kinds of posts towards you on your own site. I just think doing this day after day must get awfully mentally and exhausting and you're not sleeping anyway as you mentioned.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:41 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: ed gibbon at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (czqRc)
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"yeah i do need one. It's been like two years. Basically I just have off the days around christmas and new years. "
it's hard to arrange.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (dciA+)
There's plenty of room at the palatial jwest estate. 5 star accommodations, gourmet cooking, the finest wines Trader Joe's has to offer.
And, in the evenings, you can attend the jwest lecture series.
Normally, you would have to win a quiz show for this kind of prize.
it's hard to arrange.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (dciA+)
There's plenty of room at the palatial jwest estate. 5 star accommodations, gourmet cooking, the finest wines Trader Joe's has to offer.
And, in the evenings, you can attend the jwest lecture series.
Normally, you would have to win a quiz show for this kind of prize.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (Zs4uk)
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So is the idea that I have to vote for someone who I think will be an awful awful president and who's ideology is basically 180 degrees from my own.
Its not that I think Trump is less than perfect, its that I think he is completely unfit for the job - in terms of temperament and ideology.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
Posted by: SH
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The problem is, "Not President" is not an option on a ballot.
The qualities of Trump that make him unfit are far worse with Hillary. Far worse.
What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based.
Look, the guy's an asshole, I'll concede that. But we tried the Boy Scout approach and look what happened.
Its not that I think Trump is less than perfect, its that I think he is completely unfit for the job - in terms of temperament and ideology.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
Posted by: SH
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The problem is, "Not President" is not an option on a ballot.
The qualities of Trump that make him unfit are far worse with Hillary. Far worse.
What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based.
Look, the guy's an asshole, I'll concede that. But we tried the Boy Scout approach and look what happened.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (C6cBW)
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And in the case of trump, the peasants are truly revolting (lookin' at you Seamus).
Posted by: Blue Hen
*****
Let's be clear- I hope you are referencing me because of the play on words, not because of any pro-Trump position.
I have been rigorously agnostic when it comes to Trump.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
I referred to you because you are a most noble PUNdit.
Now grab a shovel and start digging.
Posted by: Blue Hen
*****
Let's be clear- I hope you are referencing me because of the play on words, not because of any pro-Trump position.
I have been rigorously agnostic when it comes to Trump.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
I referred to you because you are a most noble PUNdit.
Now grab a shovel and start digging.
Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (326rv)
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And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
I've been voting since 1978. In 2008 I couldn't vote "for" either Obama or McCain, so for the first time in my life I sat it out.
These two are worse.
I'll show up for the down ballot or maybe pull Gary Johnson, but there is no way I will vote for Trump regardless of the consequences.
I've been voting since 1978. In 2008 I couldn't vote "for" either Obama or McCain, so for the first time in my life I sat it out.
These two are worse.
I'll show up for the down ballot or maybe pull Gary Johnson, but there is no way I will vote for Trump regardless of the consequences.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (1xUj/)
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>>>The claim that Trump is an authoritarian is idiotic.<<<
Isn't this the guy that says he really wants to punish business like Carrier, Apple, etc who won't be willing to do things his way? Surprising from a guy who gets his stuff manufactured overseas to save himself money? Oh, wait, no it's not. Do as I say, not as I do is pretty normal for authoritarians.
Isn't he the guy that, just two days ago, said that Ted Cruz's dad shouldn't be allowed to go out there and make arguments about good and evil with respect to who's the better candidate to vote for? It got lost in the shuffle with all the Lee Harvey Oswald collaborator b.s., but Trump really thinks people shouldn't be able to criticize him in certain ways. Sound a little authoritarian to you?!
Isn't this the guy that says he really wants to punish business like Carrier, Apple, etc who won't be willing to do things his way? Surprising from a guy who gets his stuff manufactured overseas to save himself money? Oh, wait, no it's not. Do as I say, not as I do is pretty normal for authoritarians.
Isn't he the guy that, just two days ago, said that Ted Cruz's dad shouldn't be allowed to go out there and make arguments about good and evil with respect to who's the better candidate to vote for? It got lost in the shuffle with all the Lee Harvey Oswald collaborator b.s., but Trump really thinks people shouldn't be able to criticize him in certain ways. Sound a little authoritarian to you?!
Posted by: Trump/Hillary... doesn't matter... will get Citizens United overturned either way at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (iWFQR)
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324- Meant mentally and physically exhausting.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (w4NZ8)
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They have joined into the uniparty to rule against the will of the people for their own benefit.
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I'm not seeing that on the Dem side. I see a lot of very enthusiastic socialists who are doing a pretty damn good job of pushing the party in the direction they want it to go.
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I'm not seeing that on the Dem side. I see a lot of very enthusiastic socialists who are doing a pretty damn good job of pushing the party in the direction they want it to go.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (F2rZx)
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MathSamurai, 94:
"So when you realize that half of all people have lower than 100 IQ ... "
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If you really were a "math samurai," if you had even the most elementary grasp of statistics, you would know that statement is silly. I don't care whether you are talking about a mean, median, or mode, assuming that half of a group is "below average" is ridiculous.
"So when you realize that half of all people have lower than 100 IQ ... "
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If you really were a "math samurai," if you had even the most elementary grasp of statistics, you would know that statement is silly. I don't care whether you are talking about a mean, median, or mode, assuming that half of a group is "below average" is ridiculous.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (T/5A0)
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Look, if God got stoned and decided to have a laugh and make me President, I'm not quite sure how I'd react to the Obama administration.
Part of me - much of me - would have the marshals seizing the passports of every Obama Cabinet and sub-Cabinet appointee while I'm being sworn in.
I would rename all the Executive Branch inspectors general to Representants en Mission and appoint my league of Saint-Justs and Couthons.
I would go the whole Pol Pot (yeah, okay, mixing a lot of metaphors here) on the executive bureaucracy; there would be trailer camps all over this country's BFE a hundred miles from the nearest cell tower full of former Washington staff moving papers from one box to another eight hours a day.
I'd make it a goal to crash the Beltway real estate market by 50%.
Part of me - much of me - would have the marshals seizing the passports of every Obama Cabinet and sub-Cabinet appointee while I'm being sworn in.
I would rename all the Executive Branch inspectors general to Representants en Mission and appoint my league of Saint-Justs and Couthons.
I would go the whole Pol Pot (yeah, okay, mixing a lot of metaphors here) on the executive bureaucracy; there would be trailer camps all over this country's BFE a hundred miles from the nearest cell tower full of former Washington staff moving papers from one box to another eight hours a day.
I'd make it a goal to crash the Beltway real estate market by 50%.
Posted by: JEM at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (o+SC1)
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304, Anti-Semitic Labour Party Muslim To Become First Mayor Of Londonistan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (V/InG)
I read that. *shudder*. I was in London last month and it's really just steps away from being a complete Muslim enclave. On the brighter side, rumors are Boris Johnson is being groomed or expected to replace Cameron.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (V/InG)
I read that. *shudder*. I was in London last month and it's really just steps away from being a complete Muslim enclave. On the brighter side, rumors are Boris Johnson is being groomed or expected to replace Cameron.
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (a0IVu)
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Ok I laughed at MUMR.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (4ErVI)
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So what are these 70% solutions Ben is talking about? We fix 70% of immigration? 70% of Obamacare? 70%of Syrian immigrants?
Oh, and I really believe you, Ben, that you would support a guy who would take away 90% of your power. Yeah, pull the other one.
Oh, and I really believe you, Ben, that you would support a guy who would take away 90% of your power. Yeah, pull the other one.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (w4NZ8)
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ace, if you can't leave the blog for a vacation then just take a vacation from politics. Write about anything else. I'd welcome that vacation
Posted by: NCKate at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (4bHkw)
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314 Trump doesn't want less government, he just wants different outcomes from government intervention.
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What Trump wants is a blowjob and gaudy furniture.
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What Trump wants is a blowjob and gaudy furniture.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (aFa2V)
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isn't this the guy who said he'd force local governments to seek the death penalty in cop-killing cases?
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (dciA+)
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I saw Stupid Gibbering Mob open for the BeeGees (SWIDT?) at Yankee Stadium in '82.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (NeFrd)
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It's hilarious to hear that pundits think "the American people" actually choose anything. With delegates, money, special interests, money, PACs, money, assorted People of Influence, and...money, the American people and our pathetic delusion of a "vote," mean diddly squat.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (BxjBq)
For all its hypocrisies and contradictions, its confusion and loathesomeness, the success of Trump is above all else a repudiation of this idea.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (BxjBq)
For all its hypocrisies and contradictions, its confusion and loathesomeness, the success of Trump is above all else a repudiation of this idea.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (xuouz)
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>>>it's a general thing with these Trump Hero Emulators. They really do think that just insulting people is a useful emotional pressure (pressure, not persausion), and their hero does it, and it "works" (check out the 65% disapproval rating!), so why shouldn't they do as their hero does?
They couch this is 'Anti-PC' rhetoric, implying that they're fighting the 'left' and 'not playing by the cultural marxist's rules anymore'.
For some, the whole Anti-PC movement the last few years was just an excuse to act like fucking assholes rather than standing up for free speech.
They couch this is 'Anti-PC' rhetoric, implying that they're fighting the 'left' and 'not playing by the cultural marxist's rules anymore'.
For some, the whole Anti-PC movement the last few years was just an excuse to act like fucking assholes rather than standing up for free speech.
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (datdl)
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A lot of them are authoritarians -- they have this idea if they just FORCE people to come to terms, then they win.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (dciA+)
I agree, and that is part of what makes them exactly like the SJWs and cultural Marxists etc. Another similarity is they both are completely in denial and able to easily ignore those traits and project them on others
Just my opinion..others may feel differently.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (dciA+)
I agree, and that is part of what makes them exactly like the SJWs and cultural Marxists etc. Another similarity is they both are completely in denial and able to easily ignore those traits and project them on others
Just my opinion..others may feel differently.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (aRUb8)
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And in the case of trump, the peasants are truly revolting (lookin' at you Seamus).
Posted by: Blue Hen
*****
Let's be clear- I hope you are referencing me because of the play on words, not because of any pro-Trump position.
I have been rigorously agnostic when it comes to Trump.
Um, for the pun set-up.
Muldoon whiffs for the third strike.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Let's be clear- I hope you are referencing me because of the play on words, not because of any pro-Trump position.
I have been rigorously agnostic when it comes to Trump.
Um, for the pun set-up.
Muldoon whiffs for the third strike.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (6hZFv)
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"or how we balance our budgets after baby boomers have dishonestly over-promised for decades"
Ben go fuck yourself.
Our budgets are distorted by entitlements like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and welfare that baby boomers had no hand in creating.
Ben go fuck yourself.
Our budgets are distorted by entitlements like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and welfare that baby boomers had no hand in creating.
Posted by: boniface ballers at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (m/Gc2)
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So what are these 70% solutions Ben is talking about? We fix 70% of immigration? 70% of Obamacare? 70%of Syrian immigrants?
Oh, and I really believe you, Ben, that you would support a guy who would take away 90% of your power. Yeah, pull the other one.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
How did this guy vote on the Iran fake vote gag?
Oh, and I really believe you, Ben, that you would support a guy who would take away 90% of your power. Yeah, pull the other one.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
How did this guy vote on the Iran fake vote gag?
Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (326rv)
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What Trump wants is a blowjob and gaudy furniture.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (aFa2V)
You don't want things you get every day.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (aFa2V)
You don't want things you get every day.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (xuouz)
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256 If Ben Sasse really believes this then he should have started the push for a third party right after the 2014 election when the repubs started caving to Fredo's every whim and edict.
Pushing for a third party just months before a general election always helps the candidate who's party remains intact. And whatever happens, the dems always manage to remain intact.
Focus should be on defeating the Hildebeast. Whatever anyone says, she's a much greater destroyer of thing American than Trump could ever be.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (Fmupd)
I completely agree with this.
Pushing for a third party just months before a general election always helps the candidate who's party remains intact. And whatever happens, the dems always manage to remain intact.
Focus should be on defeating the Hildebeast. Whatever anyone says, she's a much greater destroyer of thing American than Trump could ever be.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (Fmupd)
I completely agree with this.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (u0lmX)
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Posted by: Victrola at May 05, 2016 12:41 PM (69gL0)
Lurker Victoria..... Meant in the nicest way... good post, but protip.... Paragraph indents, and use of white spaces increase likelihood of others reading post.
You made a "wall of words".
Regards..
Lurker Victoria..... Meant in the nicest way... good post, but protip.... Paragraph indents, and use of white spaces increase likelihood of others reading post.
You made a "wall of words".
Regards..
Posted by: kraken at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (mHL0c)
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Remember Failure Theatre?
Remember the Corker Amendment?
Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, and the US Chamber of Commerce set the stage. Trump just walked in at the right time. Trump is their creation. They will do their best to destroy their monster they created. I just hope their monster destroys them first.
Remember the Corker Amendment?
Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, and the US Chamber of Commerce set the stage. Trump just walked in at the right time. Trump is their creation. They will do their best to destroy their monster they created. I just hope their monster destroys them first.
Posted by: rd at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (v0YLX)
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"The sooner the baby boomers retire from politics the better."
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Seeing that the Boomers are actually the most conservative generation, the only age demo to reject Obama in both 2008 and 2012, I say... good luck to you.
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Seeing that the Boomers are actually the most conservative generation, the only age demo to reject Obama in both 2008 and 2012, I say... good luck to you.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (1xUj/)
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Did I mention that there are Bears?
Sure, they're not ALL rapey...
But with a little innuendo and the correct posture, I like your chances.
Sure, they're not ALL rapey...
But with a little innuendo and the correct posture, I like your chances.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (ZcEXv)
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Sasse wasn't the first, and he won't be the last parisite to recognize an opportunity for self agrandizement in this election cycle.
There will likely be a herd of shithead pols who come out of the woodwork offering to sacrifice themselves "for the good of the country and for hard working middle-class Americans who feel that Washington as abandoned them."
There will likely be a herd of shithead pols who come out of the woodwork offering to sacrifice themselves "for the good of the country and for hard working middle-class Americans who feel that Washington as abandoned them."
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (4ng05)
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The qualities of Trump that make him unfit are far worse with Hillary. Far worse.
I disagree. It's just different flavors of authoritarianism.
What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based.
Not true. He is an unprincipled con-man with zero convictions, poor moral character, and is a shallow thinker. That is not 'personality', although his juvenile insults certainly don't help matters.
I disagree. It's just different flavors of authoritarianism.
What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based.
Not true. He is an unprincipled con-man with zero convictions, poor moral character, and is a shallow thinker. That is not 'personality', although his juvenile insults certainly don't help matters.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (dpnZC)
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Since Ace mentioned the site, here's a nice comment from a Gateway Pundit commenter, who is focused on the general election:
Liberals never look back. They never feel embarrassed. They can do the most destructive things, set up the most horrible bureaucracies, and they never bother to see the results. They are too busy setting the next forest fire
Liberals never look back. They never feel embarrassed. They can do the most destructive things, set up the most horrible bureaucracies, and they never bother to see the results. They are too busy setting the next forest fire
Posted by: artemis at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (AwPyG)
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Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 12:37 PM (FsuaD)
I agree.
Ace-Put the "Gone fishing" sign up and either leave the site blank or get people to put up open threads, pet threads, chess, threads, book threads, etc for an entire week. these people care about you. I'm sure they'd help if they could.
I agree.
Ace-Put the "Gone fishing" sign up and either leave the site blank or get people to put up open threads, pet threads, chess, threads, book threads, etc for an entire week. these people care about you. I'm sure they'd help if they could.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (w4NZ8)
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In fact, I think a lot of us here would do well to do likewise. Myself likely included, God knows I have enough other things to worry about.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (9krrF)
It's bad for us. I don't even want to think about how much worse it must be for Ace. We can shut the computer for the rest of the day, or go check up on sports or whatever for a distraction. This is his job. He can't avoid it because it's his livelihood.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (9krrF)
It's bad for us. I don't even want to think about how much worse it must be for Ace. We can shut the computer for the rest of the day, or go check up on sports or whatever for a distraction. This is his job. He can't avoid it because it's his livelihood.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (KUaJL)
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Whats that you said? Something about a wall he sold you? Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at May 05, 2016 12:35 PM (Gl74b)
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Some states have 72 hours to disavow time-lending contracts (Illinois is one) to mitigate high-pressure sales tactics.
Hmmmm
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Some states have 72 hours to disavow time-lending contracts (Illinois is one) to mitigate high-pressure sales tactics.
Hmmmm
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (MIKMs)
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Trump doesn't want less government, he just wants different outcomes from government intervention.
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What Trump wants is a blowjob and gaudy furniture.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Dig me up and I will promise you no gaudy furniture.
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What Trump wants is a blowjob and gaudy furniture.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Dig me up and I will promise you no gaudy furniture.
Posted by: zombie Teddy Roosevelt at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (326rv)
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"I personally didn't oppose the thuggishness of the left just to be bullied by a new thuggishness of the alt-right."
A very telling statement.
Yes: you, PERSONALLY, didn't oppose it all that hard, certainly not hard enough to be called or considered a 'bully' by the left yourself. Now the actual bullies are stepping in to do what you could not do. Take the hint. Get out of the way.
"much of America didn't choose these two, and that part of America is not
duty-bound to follow the folly of others. If there are still things
permitted to be done -- like run a third party challenge -- why should
they not be done?"
Because no one with money or serious followers will rise up behind you, and you'll further destroy your own reputation when it comes time for the Trump negotiating table.
"My primary politics is anti-authoritarian."
CONTRADICTION IN TERMS, BUCKO.
"Trump never talks about limiting the power of government, or freedom. Never."
Probably a losing message. Trump is a better message-er than you. There is absolutely no path to any conservative victory that does not involve actively using the power of government, for external or internal border-setting.
"But money is just a tool by which we purchase freedom of action and freedom from interference."
PERSONAL power, in other words. Unfortunately, it's just not reliable any more. Did the money of Brendan Eich save him?
"Trump could earn my vote, by finally understanding other people's aspirations to not have a second boss in their lives called The US Government."
The US government is pretty much already that boss, if only at a distance. Trump is simply making sure that that boss is now actually protective as well as directive. Women tend to like that instinctively, even when they say they don't! You didn't listen to them! Sad!
This isn't difficult: You oppose Trump because you have an outmoded and ahistorical faith in the power of money to save you from a decaying society, rather than the power of direct force, personality, ideology, and social practice to reshape that society, which has been demonstrated quite ruthlessly and efficiently over the past century or so.
You can theoretically profit in any society, if you're smart enough. But once you have enough to live on, quality of life becomes a much more pertinent factor than quantity of money.
A very telling statement.
Yes: you, PERSONALLY, didn't oppose it all that hard, certainly not hard enough to be called or considered a 'bully' by the left yourself. Now the actual bullies are stepping in to do what you could not do. Take the hint. Get out of the way.
"much of America didn't choose these two, and that part of America is not
duty-bound to follow the folly of others. If there are still things
permitted to be done -- like run a third party challenge -- why should
they not be done?"
Because no one with money or serious followers will rise up behind you, and you'll further destroy your own reputation when it comes time for the Trump negotiating table.
"My primary politics is anti-authoritarian."
CONTRADICTION IN TERMS, BUCKO.
"Trump never talks about limiting the power of government, or freedom. Never."
Probably a losing message. Trump is a better message-er than you. There is absolutely no path to any conservative victory that does not involve actively using the power of government, for external or internal border-setting.
"But money is just a tool by which we purchase freedom of action and freedom from interference."
PERSONAL power, in other words. Unfortunately, it's just not reliable any more. Did the money of Brendan Eich save him?
"Trump could earn my vote, by finally understanding other people's aspirations to not have a second boss in their lives called The US Government."
The US government is pretty much already that boss, if only at a distance. Trump is simply making sure that that boss is now actually protective as well as directive. Women tend to like that instinctively, even when they say they don't! You didn't listen to them! Sad!
This isn't difficult: You oppose Trump because you have an outmoded and ahistorical faith in the power of money to save you from a decaying society, rather than the power of direct force, personality, ideology, and social practice to reshape that society, which has been demonstrated quite ruthlessly and efficiently over the past century or so.
You can theoretically profit in any society, if you're smart enough. But once you have enough to live on, quality of life becomes a much more pertinent factor than quantity of money.
Posted by: Dystopia Max at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (61Gds)
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You know who pisses me off the most in all of this? Mother effing Boehner. What a dbag.
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (Covpc)
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On the afternoon of May 22, 2013, British soldier Lee Ribgy was attacked by Muslims in South London and beheaded in the middle of the street.
And just three years later Londoners freely elect a Muslim mayor. Unfuckingbelievable.
On the afternoon of May 22, 2013, British soldier Lee Ribgy was attacked by Muslims in South London and beheaded in the middle of the street.
And just three years later Londoners freely elect a Muslim mayor. Unfuckingbelievable.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (h+IVw)
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>>>Trump IS the 3rd party option, but he's doing it via hostile takeover of
the GOP.
Trump is a democrat running on the republican ticket.
the GOP.
Trump is a democrat running on the republican ticket.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (/E+t2)
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Meh.
The authoritarian charge always feels like a straw man to me.
A weak non-descriptive term to hang your visceral dislike on.
This is the simple Alinskyism of the left, we always hear how the Republican candidate is an authoritarian, and now we're doing it.
Hurrah.
In fact, I can guarantee you that Trump will be the least authoritarian leader the US has ever had-
Why?
Because he has none of the big wigs of either party behind him-
and the GOPe as represented by McConnell, et al, are going to mount a Failure Theater Festival for his entire term. Expect to see the return of the Gang of 8- probably expanded to the Gang of 32.
Now, unless the impossible happens- which is Trump wins in a stunning landslide and thus has plenty of coattails to get his plans done.
Well, that's just simple politics. It's what Reagan did.
Now, Hillary! on the other hand...will have the same factors in play that Obama had, so we can expect an absent, rubber-stamp GOPe congress under her, which is the proven recipe in real-time reality that we've seen with authoritarian Obama.
But, yeah, sure. Third party.
That's the most brilliant, real-world way to handle the potential authoritarian threat in this election.
The authoritarian charge always feels like a straw man to me.
A weak non-descriptive term to hang your visceral dislike on.
This is the simple Alinskyism of the left, we always hear how the Republican candidate is an authoritarian, and now we're doing it.
Hurrah.
In fact, I can guarantee you that Trump will be the least authoritarian leader the US has ever had-
Why?
Because he has none of the big wigs of either party behind him-
and the GOPe as represented by McConnell, et al, are going to mount a Failure Theater Festival for his entire term. Expect to see the return of the Gang of 8- probably expanded to the Gang of 32.
Now, unless the impossible happens- which is Trump wins in a stunning landslide and thus has plenty of coattails to get his plans done.
Well, that's just simple politics. It's what Reagan did.
Now, Hillary! on the other hand...will have the same factors in play that Obama had, so we can expect an absent, rubber-stamp GOPe congress under her, which is the proven recipe in real-time reality that we've seen with authoritarian Obama.
But, yeah, sure. Third party.
That's the most brilliant, real-world way to handle the potential authoritarian threat in this election.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (oU3Bb)
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i got nine hours last night.
today i'm hopefully good
Posted by: ace
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Perhaps a Star Wars induced coma.
*stops worrying about Ace, starts worrying about self*
today i'm hopefully good
Posted by: ace
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Perhaps a Star Wars induced coma.
*stops worrying about Ace, starts worrying about self*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (9mTYi)
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I saw Stupid Gibbering Mob open for the BeeGees (SWIDT?) at Yankee Stadium in '82.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (NeFrd)
I saw Crotchless Pancakes open for Ozzy back in '92. They really layed down some crunchy grooves!
I saw Stupid Gibbering Mob open for the BeeGees (SWIDT?) at Yankee Stadium in '82.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (NeFrd)
I saw Crotchless Pancakes open for Ozzy back in '92. They really layed down some crunchy grooves!
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (aRUb8)
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For some, the whole Anti-PC movement the last few years was just an
excuse to act like fucking assholes rather than standing up for free
speech.
QFT
They don't mind demanding their own safe spaces and shouting down speech that THEY don't like.
excuse to act like fucking assholes rather than standing up for free
speech.
QFT
They don't mind demanding their own safe spaces and shouting down speech that THEY don't like.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (dpnZC)
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I wouldn't waste a moment reaching out to Sasse. All of his sorry ass loser bunk is just that, bunk. 3rd party Ben, go for it. You can provide that part the same endless supply of nothingness that you and yours have supplied the Republican party.
You have done nothing Ben other than talk the same BS to hold your job that the next shlub has to retain your job and continue to advance the progressive agenda at the blazing speed as you did with the Omnibus bill and TTP bill which will be tne next domino to fall at you and your workmates hands.
Hey I hope I can make it easier for you by saying this. You want to go 3rd party, good, get the fug out and don't come back.
Buh bye.
You have done nothing Ben other than talk the same BS to hold your job that the next shlub has to retain your job and continue to advance the progressive agenda at the blazing speed as you did with the Omnibus bill and TTP bill which will be tne next domino to fall at you and your workmates hands.
Hey I hope I can make it easier for you by saying this. You want to go 3rd party, good, get the fug out and don't come back.
Buh bye.
Posted by: Drider at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (bdzyz)
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This being said, Ace needs to take a week off the blog and conquer XCOM 2 on Hard mode. Do you a world of good man, and you will get your mojo back.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (k4M/B)
Posted by: JEM at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (o+SC1)
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Seriously, Ace
You don't think we could yammer on on our own while you take a break? Pleeeeeze! ;^)
You don't think we could yammer on on our own while you take a break? Pleeeeeze! ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (w4NZ8)
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For all its hypocrisies and contradictions, its confusion and loathesomeness, the success of Trump is above all else a repudiation of this idea.
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I think you are underestimating the power of the media. For example, listening to the radio, every 15 minutes is a mandated news brief. Here's what I heard about 10 times the day before the Indiana primary, "Republican frontrunner Donald Trump is expected to beat who he calls Lying Ted Cruz---"
I shit you not.
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I think you are underestimating the power of the media. For example, listening to the radio, every 15 minutes is a mandated news brief. Here's what I heard about 10 times the day before the Indiana primary, "Republican frontrunner Donald Trump is expected to beat who he calls Lying Ted Cruz---"
I shit you not.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 05, 2016 12:47 PM (U+nHb)
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And just three years later Londoners freely elect a Muslim mayor. Unfuckingbelievable.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls
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If we are nice to the snake, perhaps the snake will be nice to us.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls
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If we are nice to the snake, perhaps the snake will be nice to us.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9mTYi)
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Posted by: Dystopia Max at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (61Gds)
Jesus, it's going to be a long, long, miserable day.
Jesus, it's going to be a long, long, miserable day.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (/E+t2)
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they have this idea if they just FORCE people to come to terms, then they win.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (dciA+)
I agree, and that is part of what makes them exactly like the SJWs and cultural Marxists etc. Another similarity is they both are completely in denial and able to easily ignore those traits and project them on others
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (aRUb
But that is how you win. Both sides in a war use weapons - that doesn't mean they're both equally evil. Unless you're a code pink activist.
Isn't there any ground between believing your goal is more important than the means you use to get there, and actually considering your ends justifying any means?
All of which is a defense of my own position and not the actions of any other particular idiot.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (dciA+)
I agree, and that is part of what makes them exactly like the SJWs and cultural Marxists etc. Another similarity is they both are completely in denial and able to easily ignore those traits and project them on others
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:44 PM (aRUb
But that is how you win. Both sides in a war use weapons - that doesn't mean they're both equally evil. Unless you're a code pink activist.
Isn't there any ground between believing your goal is more important than the means you use to get there, and actually considering your ends justifying any means?
All of which is a defense of my own position and not the actions of any other particular idiot.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (xuouz)
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Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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And yes, Ace, consider a vacation.
I have taken brief "vacations" from this blog and from news sites in general when I feel so overwhelmed and depressed by the news I'm having trouble sleeping at night. It's been happening a lot lately.
I can do that and so can other readers - but you haven't had that luxury. Well, it's time to pamper yourself and hand over the reins to the cobs for a bit - because I don't know how you (or me for that matter) will stay sane if you can't walk away from all this shit for a while.
I have taken brief "vacations" from this blog and from news sites in general when I feel so overwhelmed and depressed by the news I'm having trouble sleeping at night. It's been happening a lot lately.
I can do that and so can other readers - but you haven't had that luxury. Well, it's time to pamper yourself and hand over the reins to the cobs for a bit - because I don't know how you (or me for that matter) will stay sane if you can't walk away from all this shit for a while.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (u0lmX)
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Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (oU3Bb)
Trump's entire campaign is "I'm a strong man for you."
He's going to beat up Mexico. He's going to punish Carrier.
His history suggests as much too. If you disagree with him he'll sue you.
It's not a straw man if it's fuckign real.
Trump's entire campaign is "I'm a strong man for you."
He's going to beat up Mexico. He's going to punish Carrier.
His history suggests as much too. If you disagree with him he'll sue you.
It's not a straw man if it's fuckign real.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (tM4uk)
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Is Ben Sasse sriously proposing 70% compromise?
As in 70% of the Bill of Rights?
Fuck you, Ben Sasse. I hope you're the next one to be trumped out of politics.
Is Ben Sasse sriously proposing 70% compromise?
As in 70% of the Bill of Rights?
Fuck you, Ben Sasse. I hope you're the next one to be trumped out of politics.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (h+IVw)
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"For some, the whole Anti-PC movement the last few years was just an excuse to act like fucking assholes rather than standing up for free speech."
Posted by: LOL Kabong
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It works - for now at least - because we live in a crude time when anger is confused with passion and volume is confused with persuasiveness. In an age where we don't rebut arguments, we DESTROY them, and where we don't criticize people, we KEELHAUL them, it's only a matter of time before we got a presidential candidate who sounds like clickbait.
Posted by: LOL Kabong
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It works - for now at least - because we live in a crude time when anger is confused with passion and volume is confused with persuasiveness. In an age where we don't rebut arguments, we DESTROY them, and where we don't criticize people, we KEELHAUL them, it's only a matter of time before we got a presidential candidate who sounds like clickbait.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (26zxJ)
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Yeah, "I would like to have somebody who would truly be good with respect ot dealing with the Senate, dealing with Congress, getting legislation passed, working toward something where we're not signing executive orders every three days like President Obama does," really sounds like something an authoritarian would say. And, of course, Trump is going to accomplish his fascist state when Obama didn't or couldn't.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (f4AGl)
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Imagine a situation where a 3rd party does get in, leading to 4 years of utter gridlock in Washington.
Suits me fine. Zero out all of dipshits' EO's and watch Congress grind to a halt?
Fine.
Suits me fine. Zero out all of dipshits' EO's and watch Congress grind to a halt?
Fine.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (rbPBV)
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What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based.
Look, the guy's an asshole, I'll concede that. But we tried the Boy Scout approach and look what happened.
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I won't speak for the nevertrumpers, but I won't vote for him because of his ideology. But I agree with them on his temperament too.
Look, the guy's an asshole, I'll concede that. But we tried the Boy Scout approach and look what happened.
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I won't speak for the nevertrumpers, but I won't vote for him because of his ideology. But I agree with them on his temperament too.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
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Did Ben Sasse endorse Cruz even after Rubio dropped out? I've also read that he's cozy with Gope. Yeah.
Anyway, this is the main reason I am not supporting Trump. He represents authoritarian and leftist tactics, such as smears and lies in order to win. He is a massive demagogue. I can't endorse that, sorry.
I didn't like stuff like that when Dems were doing it just because they were Dems. I objected because I thought what they were doing was wrong.
I'm not asking for purity, but he's not even paying lip service to anything I value the most, e.g., the rule of law. I come from a lawless country. I didn't become an American citizen just to vote for someone who has no regard for the rule of law or the Constitution.
And looking around the world, I don't think a demagogic strong man usually ends well.
Plus, would a little adult Behavior and common human decency be too much to ask?
I'm not as
Anyway, this is the main reason I am not supporting Trump. He represents authoritarian and leftist tactics, such as smears and lies in order to win. He is a massive demagogue. I can't endorse that, sorry.
I didn't like stuff like that when Dems were doing it just because they were Dems. I objected because I thought what they were doing was wrong.
I'm not asking for purity, but he's not even paying lip service to anything I value the most, e.g., the rule of law. I come from a lawless country. I didn't become an American citizen just to vote for someone who has no regard for the rule of law or the Constitution.
And looking around the world, I don't think a demagogic strong man usually ends well.
Plus, would a little adult Behavior and common human decency be too much to ask?
I'm not as
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (FTIES)
391
GOP committed suicide in 2014. It was over then.
No way Ben Sasse will make the slightest difference either way.
No way Ben Sasse will make the slightest difference either way.
Posted by: Carl at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (Ev4M3)
392
You oppose Trump because you have an outmoded and ahistorical faith in
the power of money to save you from a decaying society, rather than the
power of direct force, personality, ideology, and social practice to
reshape that society, which has been demonstrated quite ruthlessly and
efficiently over the past century or so.
I like the cut of this man's jib, and would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
the power of money to save you from a decaying society, rather than the
power of direct force, personality, ideology, and social practice to
reshape that society, which has been demonstrated quite ruthlessly and
efficiently over the past century or so.
I like the cut of this man's jib, and would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
Posted by: Il Duce at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (dpnZC)
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>>Anti-Semitic Labour Party Muslim To Become First Mayor Of Londonistan
Will they Brexit?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr
Well, it looks now as if they're going to Mecca-it.
Will they Brexit?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr
Well, it looks now as if they're going to Mecca-it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (OcD4G)
394
Someone mentioned socialists.
Some are but the majority are globalists same as it was in the 1950's when they we were looking for communists, there were some of them in government but the majority of them were globalists
Some are but the majority are globalists same as it was in the 1950's when they we were looking for communists, there were some of them in government but the majority of them were globalists
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (iWFQR)
395
Certain parties here will split any hair required to put them in opposition to whoever they're speaking to.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (xuouz)
396
Trump didn't start the fire. It's been burnin' since the world's been turnin' but especially since 2009.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (Nwg0u)
397
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo
A bunch of us have wondered that for months. We have no evidence to prove it.
Posted by: Jaimo
A bunch of us have wondered that for months. We have no evidence to prove it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (326rv)
398
Prince is dead and I'm alive. Alive!!!
Posted by: Keith Richards at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (Gwldq)
399
345 It's hilarious to hear that pundits think "the American people" actually choose anything. With delegates, money, special interests, money, PACs, money, assorted People of Influence, and...money, the American people and our pathetic delusion of a "vote," mean diddly squat.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (BxjBq)
For all its hypocrisies and contradictions, its confusion and loathesomeness, the success of Trump is above all else a repudiation of this idea.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (xuouz)
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His success is a confirmation of the fact that it is the media --- not big donors, not 'special interests,' not party cabals--- that holds supreme power in this country.
The media gave Trump the nomination.
The media will give Hillary the White House.
PERIOD.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at May 05, 2016 12:38 PM (BxjBq)
For all its hypocrisies and contradictions, its confusion and loathesomeness, the success of Trump is above all else a repudiation of this idea.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (xuouz)
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His success is a confirmation of the fact that it is the media --- not big donors, not 'special interests,' not party cabals--- that holds supreme power in this country.
The media gave Trump the nomination.
The media will give Hillary the White House.
PERIOD.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (T/5A0)
400
re 103: thanks for posting the link to that. definitely worth reading.
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (qSIlh)
401
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
Yeah, also, Cruz's dad helped sight in Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
Here, let me crimp the edge of your tinfoil hat for you.
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
Yeah, also, Cruz's dad helped sight in Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
Here, let me crimp the edge of your tinfoil hat for you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (xuouz)
402
All of which is a defense of my own position and not the actions of any other particular idiot.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (xuouz)
Precisely which of my goals does Trump help further?
I don't want a trade war.
I don't care much about focusing on a fucking wall when we can't even get the entry exit visa system built.
I certainly don't want it to be easier to sue journalists.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (xuouz)
Precisely which of my goals does Trump help further?
I don't want a trade war.
I don't care much about focusing on a fucking wall when we can't even get the entry exit visa system built.
I certainly don't want it to be easier to sue journalists.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (tM4uk)
403
If a President Trump nominated Ted Cruz for the Supreme Court does anybody really think the Senate would confirm him?
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (Eyx+b)
404
>>>372
QFT
They don't mind demanding their own safe spaces and shouting down speech that THEY don't like.
Pretty much. Maddox has been hammering this point home the last few days after the 'Cuck Cuck Cuck' Brigade went after for him for needling Trump with a photoshop.
And just about every Alt-Righty Trump Booster has the words 'free speech activist' in their Twitter profile. Because it's 'PC Oppression' and 'leftist speech codes' that keeps people from using the n-word or something.
I think a lot of the right's objections to the left's authoritarianism this past decade wasn't based on principle. It was based on envy.
QFT
They don't mind demanding their own safe spaces and shouting down speech that THEY don't like.
Pretty much. Maddox has been hammering this point home the last few days after the 'Cuck Cuck Cuck' Brigade went after for him for needling Trump with a photoshop.
And just about every Alt-Righty Trump Booster has the words 'free speech activist' in their Twitter profile. Because it's 'PC Oppression' and 'leftist speech codes' that keeps people from using the n-word or something.
I think a lot of the right's objections to the left's authoritarianism this past decade wasn't based on principle. It was based on envy.
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (datdl)
405
325
Third parties are like bees, once they have stung, they die
Posted by: ed gibbon at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (czqRc)
so.... seeing as how the Republicans STARTED as the third party... is it time for a comeback?
Third parties are like bees, once they have stung, they die
Posted by: ed gibbon at May 05, 2016 12:42 PM (czqRc)
so.... seeing as how the Republicans STARTED as the third party... is it time for a comeback?
Posted by: Whigs at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (qf6WZ)
406
Not true. He is an unprincipled con-man with zero convictions, poor moral character, and is a shallow thinker. That is not 'personality', although his juvenile insults certainly don't help matters.
Posted by: chemjeff
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To me, that's personality issues.
The guy overcharges for dumb house flipping seminars. Big deal.
He had an affair decades ago. Yawn.
I just don't care. We're not electing a Sunday School teacher.
I look at our Founding Fathers and they were impregnating their slaves and shooting people on the White House lawn if they insulted their honor.
Posted by: chemjeff
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To me, that's personality issues.
The guy overcharges for dumb house flipping seminars. Big deal.
He had an affair decades ago. Yawn.
I just don't care. We're not electing a Sunday School teacher.
I look at our Founding Fathers and they were impregnating their slaves and shooting people on the White House lawn if they insulted their honor.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (C6cBW)
407
Its not that I think Trump is less than perfect, its that I think he is completely unfit for the job - in terms of temperament and ideology.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (gmeXX)
Same here, and I also think that if others vote for him to keep Hillary out, that's ok too. I may or may not wind up doing that myself 6 months from now.
If Trump somehow wins and turns out to be a halfway decent president (meaning he doesn't do anything horrible), I'll be happy about it.
And I think the same about Hillary. So I'm perfectly happy with not voting for either. I'm sorry that bothers you so much.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:33 PM (gmeXX)
Same here, and I also think that if others vote for him to keep Hillary out, that's ok too. I may or may not wind up doing that myself 6 months from now.
If Trump somehow wins and turns out to be a halfway decent president (meaning he doesn't do anything horrible), I'll be happy about it.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (ozZau)
408
Where is Trump going to get all the money he's going to need to get beat by Hillary?
Can we throw in some bonuses for the poor SS details who are going to be hounded unmercifully by La Raza and BLM at every single Trump event from here until the end of time?
Trump is a circus side show freak. I seriously fear people will die either supporting or protesting him from now until November. And good god, if he's elected.
Can we throw in some bonuses for the poor SS details who are going to be hounded unmercifully by La Raza and BLM at every single Trump event from here until the end of time?
Trump is a circus side show freak. I seriously fear people will die either supporting or protesting him from now until November. And good god, if he's elected.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (2PHKP)
409
They will do their best to destroy their monster they created. I just hope their monster destroys them first.
Posted by: rd at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (v0YLX)
I disagree. I think Trump is their savior. He eliminated the only opposition to their business as usual con on the American people. They looked around and picked the biggest conman they could find. They picked Trump.
Posted by: rd at May 05, 2016 12:45 PM (v0YLX)
I disagree. I think Trump is their savior. He eliminated the only opposition to their business as usual con on the American people. They looked around and picked the biggest conman they could find. They picked Trump.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (aRUb8)
410
Someone who can "work with both sides of the aisle."
Someone who can "get things done." A moderate who can unite the
country and not alienate large swaths of the electorate with outdated
ideals.
Ben Sasse likes the status quo, he just doesn't like all the flack the GOP is getting for going along with the program.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (h+IVw)
Screw that... I don't care if the country is united or whether Washington "gets things done". I just want to be left the heck alone.
Someone who can "get things done." A moderate who can unite the
country and not alienate large swaths of the electorate with outdated
ideals.
Ben Sasse likes the status quo, he just doesn't like all the flack the GOP is getting for going along with the program.
Posted by: Flock of Seagulls at May 05, 2016 12:05 PM (h+IVw)
Screw that... I don't care if the country is united or whether Washington "gets things done". I just want to be left the heck alone.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (3JA/M)
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Ace-
I think the consensus from the various kindly motherly, fatherly, sisterly, brotherly people here is that you get the heck outta here. ;^) It's a nice time of year-go away, Several years is too long to go without a break unless you just can't afford one.
I think the consensus from the various kindly motherly, fatherly, sisterly, brotherly people here is that you get the heck outta here. ;^) It's a nice time of year-go away, Several years is too long to go without a break unless you just can't afford one.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (w4NZ8)
412
> The idea that every vote I cast has to be for some perfect candidate is childish.
Since 1976, every vote I've made has been AGAINST someone.
#neverHildabeest2016
Since 1976, every vote I've made has been AGAINST someone.
#neverHildabeest2016
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (25+/B)
413
***"I think that he had political geniuses running his campaign."***
So that's a "no".
The rest of what you wrote is has no bearing on my point, which, just to reiterate, is that Trump has not yet demonstrated anything resembling genius. That's just his supporters wishcasting.
Now, he might very well be a genius, but there's no evidence. Quite the contrary - when I listen to the dumb shit that's coming out of his mouth, I think he's basically a dumbshit.
So that's a "no".
The rest of what you wrote is has no bearing on my point, which, just to reiterate, is that Trump has not yet demonstrated anything resembling genius. That's just his supporters wishcasting.
Now, he might very well be a genius, but there's no evidence. Quite the contrary - when I listen to the dumb shit that's coming out of his mouth, I think he's basically a dumbshit.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Wckf4)
414
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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Not even close.
As for your final question, I think he wants to win the biggest prize on the planet -- the ELECTION to U.S. president. 95% of what he wants is to win the election. I have the feeling he won't run for a second term.
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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Not even close.
As for your final question, I think he wants to win the biggest prize on the planet -- the ELECTION to U.S. president. 95% of what he wants is to win the election. I have the feeling he won't run for a second term.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (pC96u)
415
Isn't there any ground between believing your goal is more important
than the means you use to get there, and actually considering your ends
justifying any means?
I have long believed that part of what makes a conservative a conservative, is a consistent belief that the means by which a goal is accomplished is at least as important as the goal itself.
Otherwise, there's no difference between conservative and the affirmative-action left.
than the means you use to get there, and actually considering your ends
justifying any means?
I have long believed that part of what makes a conservative a conservative, is a consistent belief that the means by which a goal is accomplished is at least as important as the goal itself.
Otherwise, there's no difference between conservative and the affirmative-action left.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (dpnZC)
416
Certain parties here will split any hair required to put them in opposition to whoever they're speaking to.
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I will not and anyway I'm typing, not speaking so there Mr. Smartypants.
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I will not and anyway I'm typing, not speaking so there Mr. Smartypants.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Nwg0u)
417
It's worse. Khan has called "moderate muslims" "uncle toms".
It's worse. Khan has called "moderate muslims" "uncle toms".
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (iQIUe)
418
For the record, I've never found ignoramus to be a fvcking cvnt.
Moose knuckle ? Sure. Gash ? You bet. Mewling quim with strong yeasty undertones ? All the time.
But a fvcking cvnt ? Never. And let's be honest ... I've pretty much never turned away a fvcking cvnt.
Moose knuckle ? Sure. Gash ? You bet. Mewling quim with strong yeasty undertones ? All the time.
But a fvcking cvnt ? Never. And let's be honest ... I've pretty much never turned away a fvcking cvnt.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (8v0G6)
419
If we are nice to the snake, perhaps the snake will be nice to us.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9mTYi)
*raises coffee (soon to be beer) cup*
Dumb motherfuckers.............
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9mTYi)
*raises coffee (soon to be beer) cup*
Dumb motherfuckers.............
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (rbPBV)
420
it's almost funny how the same people who said all along that Trump couldn't possibly win the nomination are now equally certain that he can't win the election.
as for the good Senator, perhaps he could share all the "70% solution" bills he's sponsored over the years...
my take is that he's just afraid he and his pals won't be able to continue business as usual.
spare me.
as for the good Senator, perhaps he could share all the "70% solution" bills he's sponsored over the years...
my take is that he's just afraid he and his pals won't be able to continue business as usual.
spare me.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (baI7d)
421
I'm no longer a Republican in spirit. I just need to get of my butt and reregister as independent.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 12:52 PM (FTIES)
422
Why is Ace being pushed out the door? Did somebody find the keys to the AOSHQ liquor cabinet?
Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (UzPAd)
423
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (xuouz
On the flip side, someone did manage to convince Perot to run twice.
On the flip side, someone did manage to convince Perot to run twice.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (tM4uk)
424
382 Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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Oh, sure, the man with quite possibly the biggest ego in the world is willing to go down in the history books as the biggest loser in electoral history for a payoff at a later date. Sure, that makes sense.
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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Oh, sure, the man with quite possibly the biggest ego in the world is willing to go down in the history books as the biggest loser in electoral history for a payoff at a later date. Sure, that makes sense.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)
425
403 If a President Trump nominated Ted Cruz for the Supreme Court does anybody really think the Senate would confirm him?
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (Eyx+b)
You just have to pitch it to them right...
'Just think, you would not have to deal with Cruz on a daily basis!"
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (Eyx+b)
You just have to pitch it to them right...
'Just think, you would not have to deal with Cruz on a daily basis!"
Posted by: Don Quixote at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (qf6WZ)
426
You can rationalize it all you want, but talk of a 3rd party at this late date from the right only benefits one person and that person has a fat ass and is congenital liar. Of course some people would like that. Arabs tend to like women with fat asses. Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (V/InG)
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (3JA/M)
428
His success is a confirmation of the fact that it is the media --- not big donors, not 'special interests,' not party cabals--- that holds supreme power in this country.
The media gave Trump the nomination.
The media will give Hillary the White House.
PERIOD.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (T/5A0)
The media has never stopped smearing Trump as racist misogynistic xenophobic and every 21st century curse word imaginable at any point in this cycle, and people still went with him.
You're struggling with a phantom foe. He's not what you're claiming he is. He's just Donald Trump.
The media gave Trump the nomination.
The media will give Hillary the White House.
PERIOD.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (T/5A0)
The media has never stopped smearing Trump as racist misogynistic xenophobic and every 21st century curse word imaginable at any point in this cycle, and people still went with him.
You're struggling with a phantom foe. He's not what you're claiming he is. He's just Donald Trump.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (xuouz)
429
Nothing warms my heart more than seeing these two garbage candidates foisted upon us. America deserves this and probably worse.
Gary Johnson- only decent candidate out there. Still.
Gary Johnson- only decent candidate out there. Still.
Posted by: All Hat No Cattle at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (cFzCI)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (4ng05)
431
To me, that's personality issues.
The guy overcharges for dumb house flipping seminars. Big deal.
He had an affair decades ago. Yawn.
I just don't care. We're not electing a Sunday School teacher.
I look at our Founding Fathers and they were impregnating their
slaves and shooting people on the White House lawn if they insulted
their honor.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (C6cBW)
Low bar ahead.
To me, that's personality issues.
The guy overcharges for dumb house flipping seminars. Big deal.
He had an affair decades ago. Yawn.
I just don't care. We're not electing a Sunday School teacher.
I look at our Founding Fathers and they were impregnating their
slaves and shooting people on the White House lawn if they insulted
their honor.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (C6cBW)
Low bar ahead.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (2PHKP)
432
Prince is dead and I'm alive. Alive!!
Posted by: Keith Richards at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (Gwldq)
433
"the two facts of our situation: 1, Trump's going to lose anyway, so we
might as well have a 3rd party that can at least represent a moral...
well, not victory, for it will not be victorious, but let's say a moral
route of resistance."
Our overconfidence is not our weakness, but your faith in your polls is definitely yours.
might as well have a 3rd party that can at least represent a moral...
well, not victory, for it will not be victorious, but let's say a moral
route of resistance."
Our overconfidence is not our weakness, but your faith in your polls is definitely yours.
Posted by: Dystopia Max at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (61Gds)
434
397 Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:50 PM (326rv)
I said it when he threw his hat in the ring, and I still feel he was hired.
I also think when he saw how feeble the GOP field was aside from Cruz and Walker he said "fuck it I'll win."
Donald Trump's rise is a direct result of the hail mary Judas Iscariot Roberts threw for Barack Obama on "It's a tax and a floor wax"...
SCotUS has shown us we live in a totalitarian oligarchy not a constitutional republic...
If rule by Latin Strongmen we are to have why not have an American Latin Strongman not a retard internationalist.
I said it when he threw his hat in the ring, and I still feel he was hired.
I also think when he saw how feeble the GOP field was aside from Cruz and Walker he said "fuck it I'll win."
Donald Trump's rise is a direct result of the hail mary Judas Iscariot Roberts threw for Barack Obama on "It's a tax and a floor wax"...
SCotUS has shown us we live in a totalitarian oligarchy not a constitutional republic...
If rule by Latin Strongmen we are to have why not have an American Latin Strongman not a retard internationalist.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (g8Hfr)
435
Is there a way to sign up for an alert when you people get this all figured out and resolved?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (6xtq3)
436
>>I have long believed that part of what makes a conservative a conservative, is a consistent belief that the means by which a goal is accomplished is at least as important as the goal itself.
This. The Argument from Utility is weak sauce.
This. The Argument from Utility is weak sauce.
Posted by: iKant at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (ZcEXv)
437
I won't speak for the nevertrumpers, but I won't vote for him because of his ideology. But I agree with them on his temperament too.
Posted by: SH
______________
Let's go down the list of Trump's liberalism. I know it's there, but I think it's vastly overstated and would be identical to any Republican nominee.
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: SH
______________
Let's go down the list of Trump's liberalism. I know it's there, but I think it's vastly overstated and would be identical to any Republican nominee.
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
438
The guy overcharges for dumb house flipping seminars. Big deal.
This type of crap illustrates his poor moral character. It isn't just "personality".
It's not about wanting a Sunday School teacher or not, it is about having a person there who will make the right call when presented with a new situation.
This type of crap illustrates his poor moral character. It isn't just "personality".
It's not about wanting a Sunday School teacher or not, it is about having a person there who will make the right call when presented with a new situation.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (dpnZC)
439
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (C6cBW)
Because the guy who lies about his seminars and sells you a crock of shit is TOTALLY being honest about his policy positions.
Because the guy who lies about his seminars and sells you a crock of shit is TOTALLY being honest about his policy positions.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (tM4uk)
440
"You can rationalize it all you want, but talk of a 3rd party at this
late date from the right only benefits one person and that person has a
fat ass and is congenital liar. Of course some people would like that."
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Unfortunately, both presumptive nominees fit that description.
late date from the right only benefits one person and that person has a
fat ass and is congenital liar. Of course some people would like that."
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Unfortunately, both presumptive nominees fit that description.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (3JA/M)
441
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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Not even close.
As for your final question, I think he wants to win the biggest prize on the planet -- the ELECTION to U.S. president. 95% of what he wants is to win the election. I have the feeling he won't run for a second term.
Posted by: iforgot
Dunno. It's interesting to note that one day after Cruz called a halt, Katshitt decided that "his heart wasn't in it". A funny thing to say. If honest, then why the fuck was he there for? If not honest, why now?
Thanks for that Mitt.
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
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Not even close.
As for your final question, I think he wants to win the biggest prize on the planet -- the ELECTION to U.S. president. 95% of what he wants is to win the election. I have the feeling he won't run for a second term.
Posted by: iforgot
Dunno. It's interesting to note that one day after Cruz called a halt, Katshitt decided that "his heart wasn't in it". A funny thing to say. If honest, then why the fuck was he there for? If not honest, why now?
Thanks for that Mitt.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (326rv)
442
What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based.
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What baffles me is that people keep on raising substantive ideological objections to Trump and others keep on insisting all the objections are personality based.
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What baffles me is that people keep on raising substantive ideological objections to Trump and others keep on insisting all the objections are personality based.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (FTIES)
443
Ok, my tin foil hat is adjusted just fine. It's just weird that a guy who most definitely supported the Clintons over at least 2 decades with large globs of money is now all of a sudden on the other side.
I'm not sayin' that it's some vast conspiracy, I'm not Hillary, but just wonder if maybe the Donald needs something. He's had opportunities to run before and didn't take those opportunities. If he wanted the job so bad, how come he didn't run sooner?
I'm not sayin' that it's some vast conspiracy, I'm not Hillary, but just wonder if maybe the Donald needs something. He's had opportunities to run before and didn't take those opportunities. If he wanted the job so bad, how come he didn't run sooner?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (9U1OG)
444
429 Posted by: All Hat No Cattle at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (cFzCI)
Gary Johnson-because American Liberty is best served by legal weed and open borders.
Gary Johnson-because American Liberty is best served by legal weed and open borders.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (g8Hfr)
445
This letter is why I loathe the GOPe. Fuck him and fuck them. We were told we had to vote for McCain and Romney out of loyalty to the patrty. But of course loyalty doesn't work when a liberal RINO isn't in the ballot.
Once again fuck Sasse and fuck the GOPe.
Once again fuck Sasse and fuck the GOPe.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:55 PM (LgrFs)
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2016 12:55 PM (ozZau)
447
Just give me the top 3.
1. Nationalized healthcare
2. Pro Choice
3. Crony capitalism
I'm not sure they are my top 3, but they are 3.
1. Nationalized healthcare
2. Pro Choice
3. Crony capitalism
I'm not sure they are my top 3, but they are 3.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:55 PM (gmeXX)
448
It's not about wanting a Sunday School teacher or not, it is about having a person there who will make the right call when presented with a new situation.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
Like calling for a third party when about 14 other people got beat?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
Like calling for a third party when about 14 other people got beat?
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 12:55 PM (326rv)
449
I look at our Founding Fathers and they were
impregnating their slaves and shooting people on the White House lawn if
they insulted their honor.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (C6cBW)
And? What is it you are trying to compare with Trump and the Founding Fathers of this country?
impregnating their slaves and shooting people on the White House lawn if
they insulted their honor.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (C6cBW)
And? What is it you are trying to compare with Trump and the Founding Fathers of this country?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 12:55 PM (aRUb8)
450
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 12:46 PM (oU3Bb)
Trump's entire campaign is "I'm a strong man for you."
He's going to beat up Mexico. He's going to punish Carrier.
His history suggests as much too. If you disagree with him he'll sue you.
It's not a straw man if it's fuckign real.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (tM4uk)
Yes, yes, your paraphrasing is quite scary.
Me Trump, Me Clobber. Very convincing.
What the hell did you think this election was about?
What was at the top of the list?
In 2010 and 2014, people elected a GOP Congress to stop Obama and the Democrats-
they were elected to use their political power for their voters' wishes.
Trump saying I will use my political power for the things you want- safe borders, etc.-
is what voters wanted in 2010 and 2014.
And now that's authoritarian?
That's some mighty fine thinking right there.
I'm convinced.
Trump's entire campaign is "I'm a strong man for you."
He's going to beat up Mexico. He's going to punish Carrier.
His history suggests as much too. If you disagree with him he'll sue you.
It's not a straw man if it's fuckign real.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (tM4uk)
Yes, yes, your paraphrasing is quite scary.
Me Trump, Me Clobber. Very convincing.
What the hell did you think this election was about?
What was at the top of the list?
In 2010 and 2014, people elected a GOP Congress to stop Obama and the Democrats-
they were elected to use their political power for their voters' wishes.
Trump saying I will use my political power for the things you want- safe borders, etc.-
is what voters wanted in 2010 and 2014.
And now that's authoritarian?
That's some mighty fine thinking right there.
I'm convinced.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (oU3Bb)
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Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (V/InG)
There won't be a 3rd party, it's too late to organize. The libertarians will collect some votes, Trump will still lose by more than that margin.
There won't be a 3rd party, it's too late to organize. The libertarians will collect some votes, Trump will still lose by more than that margin.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (tM4uk)
452
442 Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (FTIES)
I'm not baffled at all.
I was told forcefully here that So-Cons needed to STFD and STFU in 08 and 12.
I was told we needed an unreligious, moderate, ACELA corridor candidate to make us competitive in New England.
Here he is.
I'm not baffled at all.
I was told forcefully here that So-Cons needed to STFD and STFU in 08 and 12.
I was told we needed an unreligious, moderate, ACELA corridor candidate to make us competitive in New England.
Here he is.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (g8Hfr)
453
>>>>What baffles me is that people keep on raising substantive ideological objections to Trump and others keep on insisting all the objections are personality based.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (FTIES)
Oh, so you just hate his HAIR, huh?!
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (FTIES)
Oh, so you just hate his HAIR, huh?!
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (datdl)
454
Let's go down the list of Trump's liberalism. I
know it's there, but I think it's vastly overstated and would be
identical to any Republican nominee.
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
Donates to liberals, likes single payer, supports planned parenthood, thinks uber-liberal sister would be a great Justice, likes eminent domain, likes "undocumented" workers to build his shit, just to name a few.
Let's go down the list of Trump's liberalism. I
know it's there, but I think it's vastly overstated and would be
identical to any Republican nominee.
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
Donates to liberals, likes single payer, supports planned parenthood, thinks uber-liberal sister would be a great Justice, likes eminent domain, likes "undocumented" workers to build his shit, just to name a few.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (2PHKP)
455
Precisely which of my goals does Trump help further?
I don't want a trade war.
I don't care much about focusing on a fucking wall when we can't even get the entry exit visa system built.
I certainly don't want it to be easier to sue journalists.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (tM4uk)
I would echo these concerns about my own views. In addition, I view the size and scope of government to be the most important issue at this time. What will Trump do to advance my interests?
I don't want a trade war.
I don't care much about focusing on a fucking wall when we can't even get the entry exit visa system built.
I certainly don't want it to be easier to sue journalists.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (tM4uk)
I would echo these concerns about my own views. In addition, I view the size and scope of government to be the most important issue at this time. What will Trump do to advance my interests?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (dpnZC)
456
It's simple
Either Trump or Hillary will be the next president.
Voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary.
That's it. The rest is noise.
Either Trump or Hillary will be the next president.
Voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary.
That's it. The rest is noise.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (LgrFs)
457
Ace, PLEASE don't morph into Georege Will . Will is a scum suck___ maggot who wouldn't recognize a pickup truck if it ran over him. D. Trump will beat the pantsuit off of the alien lizard known as "Cankles Hildebeest" Trump will shut this Illegal alien invasion right the f*ck Down. Why do we have to keep subsidizing all of these countries filled with ASSHOLES who hate us?? Get with the program.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (vVE0M)
458
I won't speak for the nevertrumpers, but I won't vote for him because of his ideology. But I agree with them on his temperament too.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
I have a problem with his ideology, but since he doesn't feel strongly about it, neither do I. My bigger problem is that he's simply unfit for office. And given my view of politicians, that's failing to meet a very low standard.
Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
I have a problem with his ideology, but since he doesn't feel strongly about it, neither do I. My bigger problem is that he's simply unfit for office. And given my view of politicians, that's failing to meet a very low standard.
Posted by: AD at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (zRYoX)
459
Bad idea. Those that are upset at a Cruz loss need to take a break for awhile. I understand you are upset. Let it burn off. Then come back and see how you feel.
Making big decisions right now is like making big decisions after someone dies. You are acting on emotions. Better to wait and see how you feel once the emotions burn off.
Making big decisions right now is like making big decisions after someone dies. You are acting on emotions. Better to wait and see how you feel once the emotions burn off.
Posted by: K-E at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (ns9BN)
460
LMAO
People complaining about Trump's "Moral Character" but seem contend helping a congenital liar who put National Security at risk in the White House. What a Hoot!
People complaining about Trump's "Moral Character" but seem contend helping a congenital liar who put National Security at risk in the White House. What a Hoot!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (V/InG)
461
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo
I thought so initially. But honestly, his actions are too outrageous. If he were a stalking horse, do you think the things he says would really be as ridiculous as they are?
Posted by: Jaimo
I thought so initially. But honestly, his actions are too outrageous. If he were a stalking horse, do you think the things he says would really be as ridiculous as they are?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (KUaJL)
462
I'm not baffled at all.
I was told forcefully here that So-Cons needed to STFD and STFU in 08 and 12.
I was told we needed an unreligious, moderate, ACELA corridor candidate to make us competitive in New England.
Here he is.
Posted by: sven10077
They be what ye might be callin' 'guidelines' more than a code.
I was told forcefully here that So-Cons needed to STFD and STFU in 08 and 12.
I was told we needed an unreligious, moderate, ACELA corridor candidate to make us competitive in New England.
Here he is.
Posted by: sven10077
They be what ye might be callin' 'guidelines' more than a code.
Posted by: Capt. Barbarossa at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (326rv)
463
GOP committed suicide in 2014. It was over then.
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Tecnically early 2015 but the point is well taken. By the way, did you see that the debt has increased by $1 T since glorious budget compromise saved us?
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Tecnically early 2015 but the point is well taken. By the way, did you see that the debt has increased by $1 T since glorious budget compromise saved us?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (Nwg0u)
464
389 "What baffles me is 90% of the issues raised by NeverTrump are personality based."
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Well... look, I think character matters.
Part of the reason why I'm having a hard time seeing myself ever supporting him is that I just don't trust the man. The wall - the single best thing about Trump - is a lie. Again: THE WALL IS A LIE. He told the Times as much and they were so stoked about it that they leaked it, in a terrible breach of journalistic ethics.
Trump's personality inspires no confidence that he's telling the truth about anything or intends to keep a promise. What I see is a vain, vindictive asshole who's all about Number One. And there is no Number Two, or Three, or Four. The rest of the world is down in the quadruple digits. Everything is for the Greater Glory of Trump.
If I thought those selfish instincts could be corralled and channeled into something resembling conservatism, I'd get on board... probably. But I'm still really bothered by the fact that he's openly an asshole. The way he treated Ted Cruz was an absolute fucking disgrace, and anyone who approved of that should hang his head in shame. I don't want any part of that.
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Well... look, I think character matters.
Part of the reason why I'm having a hard time seeing myself ever supporting him is that I just don't trust the man. The wall - the single best thing about Trump - is a lie. Again: THE WALL IS A LIE. He told the Times as much and they were so stoked about it that they leaked it, in a terrible breach of journalistic ethics.
Trump's personality inspires no confidence that he's telling the truth about anything or intends to keep a promise. What I see is a vain, vindictive asshole who's all about Number One. And there is no Number Two, or Three, or Four. The rest of the world is down in the quadruple digits. Everything is for the Greater Glory of Trump.
If I thought those selfish instincts could be corralled and channeled into something resembling conservatism, I'd get on board... probably. But I'm still really bothered by the fact that he's openly an asshole. The way he treated Ted Cruz was an absolute fucking disgrace, and anyone who approved of that should hang his head in shame. I don't want any part of that.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (aFa2V)
465
can one of the Cobs start a thread where we can all express our appreciation to Ace for this site, his insights, without any inciteful talk?
Or we just pass a hat and rent him some hookers for the weekend? I'm concerned for him.
Or we just pass a hat and rent him some hookers for the weekend? I'm concerned for him.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (oGRue)
466
Please take a break Ace. Your fever hasn't broken yet. Come back when you can post nice things about Trump. /sarc
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (/E+t2)
467
Second, Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of authoritarianism. Everything with him is force and bullying. Riots at the convention if he doesn't get his way. His online trolls actively threatening people's physical safety.
Puh-leeease. Get a grip, man.
Puh-leeease. Get a grip, man.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (zc3Db)
468
445 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:55 PM (LgrFs)
Correct, I've held my nose since 1996 to one degree or another...I am holding my nose now....
I have been and remain a loyal Republican.
My personal rubicon was if the GOP tried to foist the Donut that Gave Obama credibility in 2012, Mark Rubio-Schumer, or Yeb...
other than that I said I'd pull and I will.
Correct, I've held my nose since 1996 to one degree or another...I am holding my nose now....
I have been and remain a loyal Republican.
My personal rubicon was if the GOP tried to foist the Donut that Gave Obama credibility in 2012, Mark Rubio-Schumer, or Yeb...
other than that I said I'd pull and I will.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (g8Hfr)
469
Ya know what would be really interesting to see?
A third party candidate who could take just one big state, which throws the election to the House. The House then has to pick one of the top 3 candidates.
So, let's say Rick Perry jumps in and could win Texas. If all the other states go as per usual - let's say Hillary takes Florida, but Trump gets Ohio, Wisconsin, etc..
Then the House could, theoretically, elect Perry as the President.
A third party candidate who could take just one big state, which throws the election to the House. The House then has to pick one of the top 3 candidates.
So, let's say Rick Perry jumps in and could win Texas. If all the other states go as per usual - let's say Hillary takes Florida, but Trump gets Ohio, Wisconsin, etc..
Then the House could, theoretically, elect Perry as the President.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (so+oy)
470
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo
I thought so initially. But honestly, his actions are too outrageous. If he were a stalking horse, do you think the things he says would really be as ridiculous as they are?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
Well, no.
But then...it's working. So whoinHell knows?
Posted by: Jaimo
I thought so initially. But honestly, his actions are too outrageous. If he were a stalking horse, do you think the things he says would really be as ridiculous as they are?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
Well, no.
But then...it's working. So whoinHell knows?
Posted by: Capt. Barbarossa at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (326rv)
471
Read Gary Johnson's Wikipedia bio and tell me he doesn't represent what you want and believe way, way, way more than Trump does. Go ahead, lie to me.
Posted by: Mountain Dew at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (Jh20h)
472
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (tM4uk)
Precisely which of my goals does Trump help further?
I don't want a trade war.
We are going to have to take steps to change the way we act on the world stage and make it align with our own interests. I look forward to hearing your painless proposal
I don't care much about focusing on a fucking wall when we can't even get the entry exit visa system built.
Again, without the unapologetic goal of border security that isn't going to happen anyway, and Americans need something to rally around.
I certainly don't want it to be easier to sue journalists.
Because the current environment of journalistic and cultural discourse is just ducky and treats everyone fairly, right?
I'm done trying to nibble around the edges of our problems. We need to cast aside Washington's economic golden calves, we need to secure the border, and it isn't going to happen without a fight. Trying to do small, reasonable things that won't upset the left or get us called names is precisely what has gotten us to where we are today.
Precisely which of my goals does Trump help further?
I don't want a trade war.
We are going to have to take steps to change the way we act on the world stage and make it align with our own interests. I look forward to hearing your painless proposal
I don't care much about focusing on a fucking wall when we can't even get the entry exit visa system built.
Again, without the unapologetic goal of border security that isn't going to happen anyway, and Americans need something to rally around.
I certainly don't want it to be easier to sue journalists.
Because the current environment of journalistic and cultural discourse is just ducky and treats everyone fairly, right?
I'm done trying to nibble around the edges of our problems. We need to cast aside Washington's economic golden calves, we need to secure the border, and it isn't going to happen without a fight. Trying to do small, reasonable things that won't upset the left or get us called names is precisely what has gotten us to where we are today.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (xuouz)
473
However - as far as I can tell - the primary 'evidence' that Donald Trump would govern as a right-wing authoritarian thug is that he defended his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski...
Oh gosh, I wouldn't start there at all.
How about his call for looser lible laws so he could sue newspapers which upset him?
Oh gosh, I wouldn't start there at all.
How about his call for looser lible laws so he could sue newspapers which upset him?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (1xUj/)
474
It's simple
Either Trump or Hillary will be the next president.
Voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary.
That's it. The rest is noise.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (LgrFs)
My G-D, M. Moo Moo and I agree 100%? Has hell frozen over?
Either Trump or Hillary will be the next president.
Voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary.
That's it. The rest is noise.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (LgrFs)
My G-D, M. Moo Moo and I agree 100%? Has hell frozen over?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (V/InG)
475
Ben Sasse Open Letter: Doesn't the Country Deserve Better Than These Two Terrible Candidates?
Answer: No
It doesn't matter that you are "better" than the morons who voted for these two idiots. You live in a pluralistic society, and if the inmates are running the asylum, you can complain all you want, it isn't going to change the fact that little hitlers and napoleons are in charge.
Now, to your point of choosing not to vote for the guy you hate. Absolutely. Don't vote for him. The people trying to shame you into it should shut up and eat their own excrement.
You can go third Party. I probably will. And still, I think it is not out of the realm of possibility Don Trump wins anyway. If I decide to vote third Party, it will be on principle, not because of any practical considerations of Don's chances.
Answer: No
It doesn't matter that you are "better" than the morons who voted for these two idiots. You live in a pluralistic society, and if the inmates are running the asylum, you can complain all you want, it isn't going to change the fact that little hitlers and napoleons are in charge.
Now, to your point of choosing not to vote for the guy you hate. Absolutely. Don't vote for him. The people trying to shame you into it should shut up and eat their own excrement.
You can go third Party. I probably will. And still, I think it is not out of the realm of possibility Don Trump wins anyway. If I decide to vote third Party, it will be on principle, not because of any practical considerations of Don's chances.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (TOk1P)
476
This is why Democrats/liberals always win in the long run. Have you ever heard anyone on the left say "I will never vote for X because he/she once said something I disagree with"? No, of course not. The left realizes it's a long con. You may not agree 100% with the candidate running, but you know in the long run electing that candidate helps your cause more than electing his/her opponent.
Yet people on the right fail to understand this principle. OH NO Trump said something I disagree with 20 years ago. Fucking RINO!!!!!!! He's never getting my vote.
Smart. Very fucking smart.
Yet people on the right fail to understand this principle. OH NO Trump said something I disagree with 20 years ago. Fucking RINO!!!!!!! He's never getting my vote.
Smart. Very fucking smart.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (LgrFs)
477
Let's go down the list of Trump's liberalism. I
know it's there, but I think it's vastly overstated and would be
identical to any Republican nominee.
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
He supports single payer health care (and is lying about repealing O-care).
He A-OK with partial birth abortion.
He thinks eminent domain that benefits himself is super cool.
No matter what he says NOW, he is for amnesty and for expansion of the H1B and H2B visa programs.
And I don't really acre that there are R's in Washington who support any or all of those things, I wouldn't vote for them either.
know it's there, but I think it's vastly overstated and would be
identical to any Republican nominee.
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
He supports single payer health care (and is lying about repealing O-care).
He A-OK with partial birth abortion.
He thinks eminent domain that benefits himself is super cool.
No matter what he says NOW, he is for amnesty and for expansion of the H1B and H2B visa programs.
And I don't really acre that there are R's in Washington who support any or all of those things, I wouldn't vote for them either.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (3JA/M)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (Gwldq)
479
>> What will Trump do to advance my interests?
He's gonna do some awesome deals. Fabulous deals. Very, very...very fabulously awesome deals.
He's gonna do some awesome deals. Fabulous deals. Very, very...very fabulously awesome deals.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (ZcEXv)
480
This type of crap illustrates his poor moral character. It isn't just "personality".
It's not about wanting a Sunday School teacher or not, it is about having a person there who will make the right call when presented with a new situation.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
__________
What about a guy that loses a few hundred in a casino? Is that poor moral character to allow someone to make that decision and profit from it?
It's not about wanting a Sunday School teacher or not, it is about having a person there who will make the right call when presented with a new situation.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
__________
What about a guy that loses a few hundred in a casino? Is that poor moral character to allow someone to make that decision and profit from it?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (C6cBW)
481
460
Bad idea. Those that are upset at a Cruz loss need to take a break for
awhile. I understand you are upset. Let it burn off. Then come back and
see how you feel.
Making big decisions right now is like making
big decisions after someone dies. You are acting on emotions. Better to
wait and see how you feel once the emotions burn off.
Posted by: K-E at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (ns9BN)
Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Bad idea. Those that are upset at a Cruz loss need to take a break for
awhile. I understand you are upset. Let it burn off. Then come back and
see how you feel.
Making big decisions right now is like making
big decisions after someone dies. You are acting on emotions. Better to
wait and see how you feel once the emotions burn off.
Posted by: K-E at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (ns9BN)
Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
482
Ya know what would be really interesting to see?
A third party candidate who could take just one big state, which throws the election to the House. The House then has to pick one of the top 3 candidates.
So, let's say Rick Perry jumps in and could win Texas. If all the other states go as per usual - let's say Hillary takes Florida, but Trump gets Ohio, Wisconsin, etc..
Then the House could, theoretically, elect Perry as the President.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
And you can count on me! The guy that got his ass kicked by Joe Biden.
A third party candidate who could take just one big state, which throws the election to the House. The House then has to pick one of the top 3 candidates.
So, let's say Rick Perry jumps in and could win Texas. If all the other states go as per usual - let's say Hillary takes Florida, but Trump gets Ohio, Wisconsin, etc..
Then the House could, theoretically, elect Perry as the President.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
And you can count on me! The guy that got his ass kicked by Joe Biden.
Posted by: Rep. Paul Ryan at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (326rv)
483
I don't know why I didn't phrase it like this before, but:
Hostile Takeover of the Libertarian Party.
We focus on the economic liberties, limited government, and even talk up support for legalized weed while filling their ranks with people who want a harder stance on immigration all leading to a platform change at the convention.
It could work.
Hostile Takeover of the Libertarian Party.
We focus on the economic liberties, limited government, and even talk up support for legalized weed while filling their ranks with people who want a harder stance on immigration all leading to a platform change at the convention.
It could work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (rJSDb)
484
It would take real political leadership by some
young people - Cruz, Sasse, Paul, Lee (even Rubio if he wanted to redeem
himself). Cotton. People who would be risking their political career
on something better. It would take someone or a few who can seed it
with a lot of money, and really build up an organization. I seem to recall from history a group of people who did this once before. Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
=====
Obviously, they have backed off. Geriatrics for the win!
That is the one thing that totally honks me off. People of a certain age (old enough for socsec), propping up the unworkable system from three generations ago. Sanders, Trump and Clinton -- all within five years of each other. Canes and walkers at 50 paces. Their ossified minds even worse than their tottering physiques.
It would take real political leadership by some
young people - Cruz, Sasse, Paul, Lee (even Rubio if he wanted to redeem
himself). Cotton. People who would be risking their political career
on something better. It would take someone or a few who can seed it
with a lot of money, and really build up an organization. I seem to recall from history a group of people who did this once before. Posted by: SH at May 05, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
=====
Obviously, they have backed off. Geriatrics for the win!
That is the one thing that totally honks me off. People of a certain age (old enough for socsec), propping up the unworkable system from three generations ago. Sanders, Trump and Clinton -- all within five years of each other. Canes and walkers at 50 paces. Their ossified minds even worse than their tottering physiques.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (MIKMs)
485
I could support Mike Lee. Among many other attributes, he's soft spoken, respectable, and reasonable--three traits neither Trump nor Clinton can claim.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (Lsu4e)
486
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (LgrFs)
Alternatively, you could vote your conscience.
You have to sleep with your conscience every night.
You don't have to sleep with Trump or Hillary. (thankfully)
Alternatively, you could vote your conscience.
You have to sleep with your conscience every night.
You don't have to sleep with Trump or Hillary. (thankfully)
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (dpnZC)
487
"As for Trump's open-mindedness to ideas like raising the minimum wage (a
horrible idea), it is possible that he really means it.
But consider
this. It is also possible that Trump feels about the minimum wage the
way Obama felt about gay marriage. You say what you have to say to pivot
to the center to win the general election." Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (AhiRu)
This. My sincere hope is that Trump is our own Obama. Say whatever you have to say to get the idiot LIVs to elect you-- and then take up libertarian/right positions 5 minutes after the oath. When the all the center/lefties who voted for you whine, flip them off and say "I WON!"
horrible idea), it is possible that he really means it.
But consider
this. It is also possible that Trump feels about the minimum wage the
way Obama felt about gay marriage. You say what you have to say to pivot
to the center to win the general election." Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (AhiRu)
This. My sincere hope is that Trump is our own Obama. Say whatever you have to say to get the idiot LIVs to elect you-- and then take up libertarian/right positions 5 minutes after the oath. When the all the center/lefties who voted for you whine, flip them off and say "I WON!"
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (uqt0L)
488
WHAT IF TRUMP CHOOSES CRUZ AS HIS VP?
BOOM!
Posted by: MUMR at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (XzRw1)
Unless he signed an enforceable contract to immediately resign on Inauguration Day, I still wouldn't vote for him.
BOOM!
Posted by: MUMR at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (XzRw1)
Unless he signed an enforceable contract to immediately resign on Inauguration Day, I still wouldn't vote for him.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (3JA/M)
489
>>>can one of the Cobs start a thread where we can all express our appreciation to Ace for this site, his insights, without any inciteful talk?
Or we just pass a hat and rent him some hookers for the weekend? I'm concerned for him.
Or you can do like I just did and hit the tip jar. Bills still have to be paid even when you're on vacation.
And NO, I'm not speaking to those who all ready do and have.
Or we just pass a hat and rent him some hookers for the weekend? I'm concerned for him.
Or you can do like I just did and hit the tip jar. Bills still have to be paid even when you're on vacation.
And NO, I'm not speaking to those who all ready do and have.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (/E+t2)
490
441
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons
to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch?
Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want,
really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
Did anyone ever debunk the claim that it was Bill Clinton that encouraged Trump to run?
What does the squirrel-haired wonder want?? The same thing that all egotistical narcissists want. Power and money.
Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons
to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch?
Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want,
really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
Did anyone ever debunk the claim that it was Bill Clinton that encouraged Trump to run?
What does the squirrel-haired wonder want?? The same thing that all egotistical narcissists want. Power and money.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (aRUb8)
491
Please take a break Ace. Your fever hasn't broken yet. Come back when you can post nice things about Trump. /sarc
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (/E+t2)
Hey Arson, actually I'd like to see him come back and do his thing, not be so hopeless that he feels like it's a good idea to call a longtime commenter "cunt", but you can sit there with your thumb up your ass and snigger at everyone if that's your idea of a good time.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (/E+t2)
Hey Arson, actually I'd like to see him come back and do his thing, not be so hopeless that he feels like it's a good idea to call a longtime commenter "cunt", but you can sit there with your thumb up your ass and snigger at everyone if that's your idea of a good time.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (xuouz)
492
Why are we confined to these two terrible options? This is America. If both choices stink, we reject them and go bigger. That's what we do.
And it's what the people did - and why we have Trump now.
Remember - Trump started as an anti-Jeb reaction.
Ben Sasse: you and your fellow assholes gave us Trump.
You tried to shove Jeb and Rubio down people's throats, and they weren't having any of it.
Now STFU and look in the fucking mirror, you dumbass.
Why are we confined to these two terrible options? This is America. If both choices stink, we reject them and go bigger. That's what we do.
And it's what the people did - and why we have Trump now.
Remember - Trump started as an anti-Jeb reaction.
Ben Sasse: you and your fellow assholes gave us Trump.
You tried to shove Jeb and Rubio down people's throats, and they weren't having any of it.
Now STFU and look in the fucking mirror, you dumbass.
Posted by: Ed Anger at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (RcpcZ)
493
Ben - all I do in the senate is go along - Sasse. He has done zero since he got there.
Posted by: alan stern at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (6hqWG)
494
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (LgrFs)
My G-D, M. Moo Moo and I agree 100%? Has hell frozen over?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (V/InG)
Except he's not. One non-vote does not, mathematically, ethically or logically equal a vote for the other.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
My G-D, M. Moo Moo and I agree 100%? Has hell frozen over?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (V/InG)
Except he's not. One non-vote does not, mathematically, ethically or logically equal a vote for the other.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
495
This is the classic example of seeing the tree but missing the forest. So the Anti-Trumps folks hate Trump because they think he is some form of Hitler. That is position that ridicules to the extreme, but lets take a look at what this election will decide.
It will decide if this country is a sovereign nation, or a slave of international institutions and laws. If it is a slave to internationalism then all the effort to preserve its freedom from the moment we declared independence as a nation to now has failed. The country and its people have been given over to internationalist aristocrats. The constitution, which you fear Trump will trample at home, will be voided as anything other than a piece of history by the Lords of Davos.
I will repeat this again and again: This is not a fight for conservatism anymore, but a battle for the sovereignty of the United States of America. Too many conservatives are for mass immigration even if they claim not to be, internationalism over national laws and economy, trade deals that gain the U.S. less than what it loses, are for strange Islamic nation building adventures, and a grab bag of views that are destroying the country.
Waving the constitution around and being for small government, while being for the TPP is either an example of stupidity or dishonesty. Vote for your neo-libertarian party, or whatever it is that makes you feel better about yourself. You can hold your head up high and say I am noble while our beloved constitution submits itself to international law.
Trump, for all his flaws, instinctively understands the central problem facing the country today, the anti-Trump folks don't. They are stuck way up in the ivory tower having philosophical discussions about the federalist papers, etc., or in the case of the Neo-Cons having alt-history discussions on how to rebuild Islamic Central Asia using lots of legions and coins.
It will decide if this country is a sovereign nation, or a slave of international institutions and laws. If it is a slave to internationalism then all the effort to preserve its freedom from the moment we declared independence as a nation to now has failed. The country and its people have been given over to internationalist aristocrats. The constitution, which you fear Trump will trample at home, will be voided as anything other than a piece of history by the Lords of Davos.
I will repeat this again and again: This is not a fight for conservatism anymore, but a battle for the sovereignty of the United States of America. Too many conservatives are for mass immigration even if they claim not to be, internationalism over national laws and economy, trade deals that gain the U.S. less than what it loses, are for strange Islamic nation building adventures, and a grab bag of views that are destroying the country.
Waving the constitution around and being for small government, while being for the TPP is either an example of stupidity or dishonesty. Vote for your neo-libertarian party, or whatever it is that makes you feel better about yourself. You can hold your head up high and say I am noble while our beloved constitution submits itself to international law.
Trump, for all his flaws, instinctively understands the central problem facing the country today, the anti-Trump folks don't. They are stuck way up in the ivory tower having philosophical discussions about the federalist papers, etc., or in the case of the Neo-Cons having alt-history discussions on how to rebuild Islamic Central Asia using lots of legions and coins.
Posted by: William Eaton at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (KhJh8)
496
Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
Or it's because we didn't read enough Scott Adams.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
Or it's because we didn't read enough Scott Adams.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (dpnZC)
497
483 Ya know what would be really interesting to see?
A third party candidate who could take just one big state, which throws the election to the House. The House then has to pick one of the top 3 candidates.
____
A 3rd party will ensure a Clinton landslide. He could win CA and wouldn't matter.
A third party candidate who could take just one big state, which throws the election to the House. The House then has to pick one of the top 3 candidates.
____
A 3rd party will ensure a Clinton landslide. He could win CA and wouldn't matter.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (LgrFs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (V/InG)
499
482 Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
=================
I don't want to put words in his mouth (I'm looking forward to my protest vote, personally), but I think he's saying that emotion is heightening the desire to do something rash, and that most people will come back to the conclusion that defeating Hillary is more important than screwing the GOP.
I don't really think like that, but I think that's what he's saying.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
=================
I don't want to put words in his mouth (I'm looking forward to my protest vote, personally), but I think he's saying that emotion is heightening the desire to do something rash, and that most people will come back to the conclusion that defeating Hillary is more important than screwing the GOP.
I don't really think like that, but I think that's what he's saying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (rJSDb)
500
468
Second, Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of
authoritarianism. Everything with him is force and bullying. Riots at
the convention if he doesn't get his way. His online trolls actively
threatening people's physical safety.
Puh-leeease. Get a grip, man.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (zc3Db)
Puh-leeease. Relax your grip of Trump's schlong.
Second, Trump represents an very stupid and dangerous form of
authoritarianism. Everything with him is force and bullying. Riots at
the convention if he doesn't get his way. His online trolls actively
threatening people's physical safety.
Puh-leeease. Get a grip, man.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (zc3Db)
Puh-leeease. Relax your grip of Trump's schlong.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (2PHKP)
501
463 Posted by: Capt. Barbarossa at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (326rv)
No Jeff B, and others explicitly stated what their Dream Republican looked like...
it looked a lot like Mitt actually.
Here's the thing, a lot of us explained that a 100% moderate GOPer would have no positions in stone and try to run left to grab Donks.
Trump is running left trying to recreate Ronald Reagan...
he *may* just win but it'll be close.
Regardless America is the lesser for our giving in to the "moderate impulse" but here we sit.
No Jeff B, and others explicitly stated what their Dream Republican looked like...
it looked a lot like Mitt actually.
Here's the thing, a lot of us explained that a 100% moderate GOPer would have no positions in stone and try to run left to grab Donks.
Trump is running left trying to recreate Ronald Reagan...
he *may* just win but it'll be close.
Regardless America is the lesser for our giving in to the "moderate impulse" but here we sit.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (g8Hfr)
502
>>>Ace is rapidly approaching Peak Cuck.
it's useful when racists self-identify. Spares a lot of stupid arguing about the obvious.
it's useful when racists self-identify. Spares a lot of stupid arguing about the obvious.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (dciA+)
503
Cleanup at >449
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (xuouz)
504
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (aFa2V)
Yes, there is a difference between personality and character. Character is extremely important. Personality, not so much, although apparently that's a big part of what sank Cruz.
Yes, there is a difference between personality and character. Character is extremely important. Personality, not so much, although apparently that's a big part of what sank Cruz.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (FTIES)
505
>>Or we just pass a hat and rent him some hookers for the weekend? I'm concerned for him.
I already offered to take him fishing AND to introduce him to a nice Bear (or two? I won't judge him).
I already offered to take him fishing AND to introduce him to a nice Bear (or two? I won't judge him).
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (ZcEXv)
506
Just give me the top 3.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
He supports single payer health care (and is lying about repealing O-care).
He A-OK with partial birth abortion.
He thinks eminent domain that benefits himself is super cool.
No matter what he says NOW, he is for amnesty and for expansion of the H1B and H2B visa programs.
And I don't really acre that there are R's in Washington who support any or all of those things, I wouldn't vote for them either.
Posted by: redbanzai
1) he has said he will repeal ObamaCare. Hillary has said she wants to expand it to illegal aliens.
We already have universal health care for the poor, it's called MediCaid. Was any Republican nominee going to end MediCaid?
2) Decades ago he was pro-choice, now he says he's pro-life. Ronald Reagan was in the same boat and signed all sorts of laws of laws opening up abortion in California as Governor before he was President.
3) Eminent domain is in the US Constitution. Did any Republican running want to strip it out of the Constitution?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:54 PM (C6cBW)
He supports single payer health care (and is lying about repealing O-care).
He A-OK with partial birth abortion.
He thinks eminent domain that benefits himself is super cool.
No matter what he says NOW, he is for amnesty and for expansion of the H1B and H2B visa programs.
And I don't really acre that there are R's in Washington who support any or all of those things, I wouldn't vote for them either.
Posted by: redbanzai
1) he has said he will repeal ObamaCare. Hillary has said she wants to expand it to illegal aliens.
We already have universal health care for the poor, it's called MediCaid. Was any Republican nominee going to end MediCaid?
2) Decades ago he was pro-choice, now he says he's pro-life. Ronald Reagan was in the same boat and signed all sorts of laws of laws opening up abortion in California as Governor before he was President.
3) Eminent domain is in the US Constitution. Did any Republican running want to strip it out of the Constitution?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (C6cBW)
507
Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
Nooooo. There's plenty there to dislike.
I hated the New London vs. Kelo decision. he doesn't. I haven't got a clue what he's actually going to do in the ME, with entitlements (our #1 spending issue).
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
Nooooo. There's plenty there to dislike.
I hated the New London vs. Kelo decision. he doesn't. I haven't got a clue what he's actually going to do in the ME, with entitlements (our #1 spending issue).
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (326rv)
508
My G-D, M. Moo Moo and I agree 100%? Has hell frozen over?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (V/InG)
That there should have been your first clue that you are wrong.
My G-D, M. Moo Moo and I agree 100%? Has hell frozen over?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (V/InG)
That there should have been your first clue that you are wrong.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (3JA/M)
509
If you are openly fomenting for a third party, then it is you not Trump or his supporters demolishing the GOP.
Fucking own it instead of trying to blame someone else so you can feel better.
Fucking own it instead of trying to blame someone else so you can feel better.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (2Ocf1)
510
What about a guy that loses a few hundred in a
casino? Is that poor moral character to allow someone to make that
decision and profit from it?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (C6cBW)
Again...what is it that you're trying to equate?
What about a guy that loses a few hundred in a
casino? Is that poor moral character to allow someone to make that
decision and profit from it?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (C6cBW)
Again...what is it that you're trying to equate?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (aRUb8)
511
Except he's not. One non-vote does not, mathematically, ethically or logically equal a vote for the other.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
Advocating for that is more than one vote and in the real world, yeah that's gonna lead to a clinton victory. We will never agree on this, so we will just have to agree not to agree
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
Advocating for that is more than one vote and in the real world, yeah that's gonna lead to a clinton victory. We will never agree on this, so we will just have to agree not to agree
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (V/InG)
512
Except he's not. One non-vote does not, mathematically, ethically or logically equal a vote for the other.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
____
Yes it does. It's a binary choice. You either vote against Hillary or you don't. Since Trump is the only viable "against" vote, voting for anyone other than him is a de facto vote for hillary.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
____
Yes it does. It's a binary choice. You either vote against Hillary or you don't. Since Trump is the only viable "against" vote, voting for anyone other than him is a de facto vote for hillary.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (LgrFs)
513
"This is not a fight for conservatism anymore, but a battle for the sovereignty of the United States of America."
----------
What good is a sovereign United States of America if it's run by an authoritarian socialist?
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What good is a sovereign United States of America if it's run by an authoritarian socialist?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (26zxJ)
514
Just a few more things...Trump just stated that he will get rid of a lot of business regulations that choke small businesses. Can we agree that is a conservative stance?
Trump floated the minimum wage question, because it was brought up in context with Bernie. He is courting Bernie voters when Bernie fails to get the nomination. I am not up in arms if Trump increases the minimum wage, by let's say, 50 cents. In that same interview, however, he said that he wants to give people good jobs so they make more than a measly $15 an hour. I think that is more likely his sales pitch...sure, we can increase the minimum wage so you can flip burgers for a living OR we can provide you with an opportunity to get a much better job with better pay. Which one do you want?
I think it was a genius move, honestly. Placate the Bernie peeps and then convince them they can do way better than lowly minimum wage jobs.
Trump floated the minimum wage question, because it was brought up in context with Bernie. He is courting Bernie voters when Bernie fails to get the nomination. I am not up in arms if Trump increases the minimum wage, by let's say, 50 cents. In that same interview, however, he said that he wants to give people good jobs so they make more than a measly $15 an hour. I think that is more likely his sales pitch...sure, we can increase the minimum wage so you can flip burgers for a living OR we can provide you with an opportunity to get a much better job with better pay. Which one do you want?
I think it was a genius move, honestly. Placate the Bernie peeps and then convince them they can do way better than lowly minimum wage jobs.
Posted by: K-E at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (ns9BN)
515
>>>My sincere hope is that Trump is our own Obama.
That is the stupidest fucking thing I've read all day.
It also confirms what every non Trump person has been saying and thinking for the last 7 months. Every other post Ace has written about trump is this.
What a stupid time to be alive.
That is the stupidest fucking thing I've read all day.
It also confirms what every non Trump person has been saying and thinking for the last 7 months. Every other post Ace has written about trump is this.
What a stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (/E+t2)
516
>>>WHAT IF TRUMP CHOOSES CRUZ AS HIS VP?
BOOM!
A Lyin', Ass Crushin', Son of a Presdient Assassinatin', Non-Aryan Canadian?
SAD! BAD! MAD!
BOOM!
A Lyin', Ass Crushin', Son of a Presdient Assassinatin', Non-Aryan Canadian?
SAD! BAD! MAD!
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (datdl)
517
Honestly can't say that Hillary would be worse than Trump. They would both be disasters, but at least Hillary will be the Democrats' disaster. And there may actually be a chance that, while she'll throw the hard left a social issue bone now and again, she will (with 90's Bill whispering in her ear) roll back Jay Vee Obama's War on the American Economy and get things moving again.
Posted by: Mountain Dew at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Jh20h)
518
One thing is for damn sure. Democrats will vote for democrats, regardless of who is the nominee. They are single-minded. Their only purpose is control. HRC may be hated and reviled, but they will vote for her. Half-hearted support by the other party results in continuing lost elections.
Having said that, I guess you could put me in the half-hearted group. I agree with Ace, I just want to be left alone. And the fact that it appears to be less likely to happen every damn time there is an election leads me to consider options for how I can find a place in my beloved Texas to just disappear.
Having said that, I guess you could put me in the half-hearted group. I agree with Ace, I just want to be left alone. And the fact that it appears to be less likely to happen every damn time there is an election leads me to consider options for how I can find a place in my beloved Texas to just disappear.
Posted by: mikeyslaw at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Wkdli)
519
***"I was told we needed an unreligious, moderate, ACELA corridor candidate to make us competitive in New England.
Here he is.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (g8Hfr) "***
That shit right there is funny, but it also explains why the GOPe is warming up to him quickly.
Here he is.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 12:56 PM (g8Hfr) "***
That shit right there is funny, but it also explains why the GOPe is warming up to him quickly.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Wckf4)
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The problem with Trump's cheating (or Clinton's or anyone else) is that to cheat on your wife requires a lack of character, a willingness to break vows, and of course a well-honed habit of deceiving the people around you. I know that not everybody who cheats is an "evil" person, but none should be considered trustworthy. The "it's only sex" canard wheeled out in defense of Bill Clinton always struck me as backward and stupid. If one is willing to lie abut "only sex", what would keep them from lying about the "big things"?
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (2cS/G)
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401 Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch? Some quid pro quo for the Donald down the road. What does Donald want, really?
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
Yeah, also, Cruz's dad helped sight in Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
Here, let me crimp the edge of your tinfoil hat for you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (xuouz)
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You might be really naive when it comes to politics.
How did Bill Clinton win? Did he get a majority?
After Hillary lost to Obama--do you think Bill and Hill might have went back to review their--lessons learned playbook?
And if it's fair for your guy to insinuate all matter of National Inquirer crap--the possibility that Trump is a democrat isn't that unprovable relative to what Trump espouses. Trump who donated impressive amounts to Dems even after they challenged military ballots and their party leadership attended Michael Moore's 9/11 truther movie, whose party chairman Ed Rendell failed to send out absentee ballots to military but collected the felon vote in Pennsylvania. Trump who then went out of his way to donate $29,000 to Terry Mcauliffe-- who now wants felons to vote. Yes something smells--a con job.
Posted by: Jaimo at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (9U1OG)
Yeah, also, Cruz's dad helped sight in Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
Here, let me crimp the edge of your tinfoil hat for you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:51 PM (xuouz)
**********
You might be really naive when it comes to politics.
How did Bill Clinton win? Did he get a majority?
After Hillary lost to Obama--do you think Bill and Hill might have went back to review their--lessons learned playbook?
And if it's fair for your guy to insinuate all matter of National Inquirer crap--the possibility that Trump is a democrat isn't that unprovable relative to what Trump espouses. Trump who donated impressive amounts to Dems even after they challenged military ballots and their party leadership attended Michael Moore's 9/11 truther movie, whose party chairman Ed Rendell failed to send out absentee ballots to military but collected the felon vote in Pennsylvania. Trump who then went out of his way to donate $29,000 to Terry Mcauliffe-- who now wants felons to vote. Yes something smells--a con job.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (mcm0N)
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Calling them "Trumpkins" isn't an insult right off the bat?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (UBzPO)
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>And now that's authoritarian?
That's some mighty fine thinking right there.
I'm convinced.
Reality isn't going to change no matter how convinced you are of it. Now that Trump has 'made the sale' to you. You are no longer useful. Your sentiment no longer a priority. In the coming months you'll actually get to see what you bought. And unlike most areas of business, there is absolutely no penalty whatsoever for it not being what was advertised. I'm as interested as you to see what you actually purchased.
No we aren't going to convince you. And you won't convince me to vote for him. Do or say whatever. Reality is fixed now, the course we are on while still having variables, is set between we factions of the politically conservative. It's over. You will vote for Trump, I will not, and pretty much nothing that can possibly happen will change that.
That's some mighty fine thinking right there.
I'm convinced.
Reality isn't going to change no matter how convinced you are of it. Now that Trump has 'made the sale' to you. You are no longer useful. Your sentiment no longer a priority. In the coming months you'll actually get to see what you bought. And unlike most areas of business, there is absolutely no penalty whatsoever for it not being what was advertised. I'm as interested as you to see what you actually purchased.
No we aren't going to convince you. And you won't convince me to vote for him. Do or say whatever. Reality is fixed now, the course we are on while still having variables, is set between we factions of the politically conservative. It's over. You will vote for Trump, I will not, and pretty much nothing that can possibly happen will change that.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (0q2P7)
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"Puh-leeease. Relax your grip of Trump's schlong.
Posted by: AlaBAMA"
That's my job, you great American you.
Posted by: AlaBAMA"
That's my job, you great American you.
Posted by: Sean Hannity at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (OD2ni)
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So let's say Trump is horrible. Can you honestly say he is worse than Hillary? If you answer is no, then voting 3rd party of taking your ball and going home, ie not voting, is idiotic.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (LgrFs)
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472 Posted by: Mountain Dew at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (Jh20h)
I am a libertarian minded Constitutionalist.
I am not a libertine minded naïve retard who wants to ignore the left subsidizing a replacement population.
I am a libertarian minded Constitutionalist.
I am not a libertine minded naïve retard who wants to ignore the left subsidizing a replacement population.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (g8Hfr)
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Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
Thedislike boundless hate of Trump is varied, but almost all of it is pathological.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
The
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zc3Db)
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Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 01:00 PM (/E+t2)
A pro-Ace three is a good suggestion. I would hit the tip jar but I'd have to do it tomorrow, as I have about $20.00 dollars in my account right now.
A pro-Ace three is a good suggestion. I would hit the tip jar but I'd have to do it tomorrow, as I have about $20.00 dollars in my account right now.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (w4NZ8)
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>>>it's useful when racists self-identify. Spares a lot of stupid arguing about the obvious.
It's the only upside to the word 'cuck'.
It's like an Ignorant Thuggish Asshole badge they all flash with their first post in a debate.
It's the only upside to the word 'cuck'.
It's like an Ignorant Thuggish Asshole badge they all flash with their first post in a debate.
Posted by: LOL Kabong at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (datdl)
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Speaking of authoritarianism, why are we not more worried about Trump and Russia? Yesterday, he said his response to recent Russian provocations would be to call Putin and ask him to stop - and that would work because he has such a great relationship with the tyrant. Asked if he was already speaking to Putin, Trump said... "I don't want to say"
This is on top of Trump and Putin's praise for one another, the official Russian media's enthusiastic support for Trump, Trump's advisors (particularly Manafort) VERY close connections to the Kremlin and involvement in the recent invasion of Ukraine...
We know Putin has been aggressively supporting leaders across Europe in order to undermine NATO.
Do we feel good about this? Does this send up any red flages?
This is on top of Trump and Putin's praise for one another, the official Russian media's enthusiastic support for Trump, Trump's advisors (particularly Manafort) VERY close connections to the Kremlin and involvement in the recent invasion of Ukraine...
We know Putin has been aggressively supporting leaders across Europe in order to undermine NATO.
Do we feel good about this? Does this send up any red flages?
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (mFkVC)
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So what we need is a fusion candidate. Someone to unite the disaffected Cruz and Sanders voters. Might as well throw in the Rubio, Bush, Kasich, Walker, Jindal, etc voters as well.
Yep, this is going places.
Yep, this is going places.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (R+30W)
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"Yes, there is a difference between personality and character. Character is extremely important."
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I've known people with good personalities - sociopaths, mostly - who have terrible character.
I've never known anyone with a bad personality who also had good character.
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I've known people with good personalities - sociopaths, mostly - who have terrible character.
I've never known anyone with a bad personality who also had good character.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (aFa2V)
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Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
And you can count on me! The guy that got his ass kicked by Joe Biden.
Posted by: Rep. Paul Ryan at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (326rv)
Right. Because a fusterclucked gaggle of House Gopes is going to do the right thing.
If that's the newest plan, try to spoil the electoral college from reaching 270 for anyone, it's even dumber than all the other dumb ideas that have been floated already. And there have been some monumentally dumb ideas floated.
And you can count on me! The guy that got his ass kicked by Joe Biden.
Posted by: Rep. Paul Ryan at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (326rv)
Right. Because a fusterclucked gaggle of House Gopes is going to do the right thing.
If that's the newest plan, try to spoil the electoral college from reaching 270 for anyone, it's even dumber than all the other dumb ideas that have been floated already. And there have been some monumentally dumb ideas floated.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (TOk1P)
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3) Eminent domain is in the US Constitution. Did any Republican running want to strip it out of the Constitution?
Posted by: Lambo
This is bullshit.
The issue was trumps support for New London vs. Kelo, where a town decided to steal land from a peasant and give it to a developer. Not for a school, road, public project. The peasant was paying 'x' in taxes, and the developer or the eventual lad user was going to pay 'x+y'. So they took it.
Your assertion is false.
Posted by: Lambo
This is bullshit.
The issue was trumps support for New London vs. Kelo, where a town decided to steal land from a peasant and give it to a developer. Not for a school, road, public project. The peasant was paying 'x' in taxes, and the developer or the eventual lad user was going to pay 'x+y'. So they took it.
Your assertion is false.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (326rv)
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Does anyone believe that Trump might have been "hired" by the Clintons to lose this sucker in the 11th hour to usher in 8 years of that bitch?
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they cant AFFORD me
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they cant AFFORD me
Posted by: TRUMP! at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (oGRue)
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517 Honestly can't say that Hillary would be worse than Trump. They would both be disasters, but at least Hillary will be the Democrats' disaster. And there may actually be a chance that, while she'll throw the hard left a social issue bone now and again, she will (with 90's Bill whispering in her ear) roll back Jay Vee Obama's War on the American Economy and get things moving again.
Posted by: Mountain Dew at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Jh20h)
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LOL!! Yeah I remember hearing "Obama will ensure no Democrat is elected for 50 years since he will be such a disaster". How's that working out for you?
Posted by: Mountain Dew at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Jh20h)
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LOL!! Yeah I remember hearing "Obama will ensure no Democrat is elected for 50 years since he will be such a disaster". How's that working out for you?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (LgrFs)
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519 That shit right there is funny, but it also explains why the GOPe is warming up to him quickly.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Wckf4)
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It's also what some of us have been saying for months. The guy fits right in with the GOPe in every way except his style.
Why did the GOPe not come to Cruz's aid? He also had a style they don't like. It's because his views don't align with theirs either.
Given two options: the first has the style you don't want but the substance you do and the second as both a style and substance you don't like, who do you choose?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Wckf4)
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It's also what some of us have been saying for months. The guy fits right in with the GOPe in every way except his style.
Why did the GOPe not come to Cruz's aid? He also had a style they don't like. It's because his views don't align with theirs either.
Given two options: the first has the style you don't want but the substance you do and the second as both a style and substance you don't like, who do you choose?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (rJSDb)
538
519 Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (Wckf4)
It's hilarious because it is true.
I contended then and still believe passionately that moderation gives the left permission to get its commie on.
We are ratfucked by the pork cannon and trough.
It's hilarious because it is true.
I contended then and still believe passionately that moderation gives the left permission to get its commie on.
We are ratfucked by the pork cannon and trough.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (g8Hfr)
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>>>Calling them "Trumpkins" isn't an insult right off the bat?
i said that after the series of typical Trumpkin insults began.
Until then i'd said nothing of the kind.
i said that after the series of typical Trumpkin insults began.
Until then i'd said nothing of the kind.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (dciA+)
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I knew about six weeks ago it would come to this. That is Cruz would fall short, Trump would win, Hillary would narrowly prevail. So I've stayed away from AoS because I knew it would be getting nasty around these parts.
I'm a member of the minority, a conservative. We can't win. The schools are minting socialists faster than conservatives can gain recruits.
I was hoping Ace would have come to some sort of acceptance by now. Something other than floating third-party ideas. Maybe I should take another six week hiatus.
I'm a member of the minority, a conservative. We can't win. The schools are minting socialists faster than conservatives can gain recruits.
I was hoping Ace would have come to some sort of acceptance by now. Something other than floating third-party ideas. Maybe I should take another six week hiatus.
Posted by: ugg wigs at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (ZnIt3)
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527
Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
The dislike boundless hate of Trump is varied, but almost all of it is pathological.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zc3Db)
Trump has documented history of being a liberal. Hating him for it isn't pathological. It's just well founded.
Ah, so our dislike of Trump is just because we're pissed off at Cruz losing.
Not anything substantial like policies and his ridiculous moral flexibility.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 12:59 PM (2PHKP)
The dislike boundless hate of Trump is varied, but almost all of it is pathological.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zc3Db)
Trump has documented history of being a liberal. Hating him for it isn't pathological. It's just well founded.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Donald Trump at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (Jh20h)
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I say many politicians are ladies men because they know what to say to women to close the deal.
Think about it.
Think about it.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (2Ocf1)
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Thanks, kraken, and my apologies. I was in stream of consciousness mode.
Thanks, kraken, and my apologies. I was in stream of consciousness mode.
Posted by: Victrola at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (69gL0)
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+1ing Fenelon here. Ace, I'm legitimately worried about you right now.
I'll ditto the motion. You need a vacay, boss. Are the cob-loggers not able to cover for a week or so?
+1ing Fenelon here. Ace, I'm legitimately worried about you right now.
I'll ditto the motion. You need a vacay, boss. Are the cob-loggers not able to cover for a week or so?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (X6fMO)
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One of the only things that may drive me into Trump's luxurious arms is if I keep hearing Hillary's voice. Dear sweet fancy Moses, her voice could cause the dead to rise again and run for their lives.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (FTIES)
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The girlish shrieking on this site -- "He's just like the second coming of Hitler, or Mussolini, or whoever" is a tactic I'd expect from leftist, but not from grown men, right of center, with experience in politics. Yes, he is a CEO of a billion dollar company and a candidate for the President of the United effing States of America. That makes him an effing boss. He's a "decider." They all are. Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. They all think they are better than us, some even think they were anointed by God to rule over us. Politician has ego, news at 11!!!!
There is plenty of evidence he has a sense of humor and can tell a good (politically incorrect) joke -- one of the reasons I used to like this site BTW. But there is absolutely no evidence he is an authoritarian monster that will steal your liberty. Stop hyperventilating. Identify for me another person who has a realistic possibility to be elected President that will agree to do the following:
- stop illegal immigration
- enforce existing immigration laws to include deportation
- build a wall on the Southern border
- force congress to start passing budgets again, no more continuing resolutions to hide massive spending
- tear up anti-American trade deals
- encourage the return of manufacturing to create U.S. jobs and help the middle class
- Adopt a foreign policy that is centered on what is best for American security and interests
- Appoint justices to SCOTUS in the mold of Scalia and Thomas -- and is willing to name names before the election
Better yet identify for me another person who has a realistic possibility to be elected President who is NOT:
- a firm believer in open borders and unrestrained immigration from the third world to the US
- an idolizer of Saul Alinsky
- a full throated fan of socialized medicine
- thinks a village, not parents, should raise your children
- voted for Iraq, then railed against it, then thought it went so well it would be a good idea to depose dictators in Egypt and Libya too
- a pathological liar, even to the faces of the families of fallen heroes
- a person who puts her personal convenience over the interests of the nation to keep its most important secrets secret
- a blatantly corrupt seller of political influence on a globally initiative scale.
- a person who will appoint a justice to the SCOTUS that believes the Constitution was written on an etch-a-sketch
When you Identify that person. Sign me up. I didn't pick Trump. My state hasn't voted yet. But he was picked for me. So, I need to pick the better of the two realistic candidates. It is that simple. When you guys get over your Cruz-butt-hurt you will realize it too.
There is plenty of evidence he has a sense of humor and can tell a good (politically incorrect) joke -- one of the reasons I used to like this site BTW. But there is absolutely no evidence he is an authoritarian monster that will steal your liberty. Stop hyperventilating. Identify for me another person who has a realistic possibility to be elected President that will agree to do the following:
- stop illegal immigration
- enforce existing immigration laws to include deportation
- build a wall on the Southern border
- force congress to start passing budgets again, no more continuing resolutions to hide massive spending
- tear up anti-American trade deals
- encourage the return of manufacturing to create U.S. jobs and help the middle class
- Adopt a foreign policy that is centered on what is best for American security and interests
- Appoint justices to SCOTUS in the mold of Scalia and Thomas -- and is willing to name names before the election
Better yet identify for me another person who has a realistic possibility to be elected President who is NOT:
- a firm believer in open borders and unrestrained immigration from the third world to the US
- an idolizer of Saul Alinsky
- a full throated fan of socialized medicine
- thinks a village, not parents, should raise your children
- voted for Iraq, then railed against it, then thought it went so well it would be a good idea to depose dictators in Egypt and Libya too
- a pathological liar, even to the faces of the families of fallen heroes
- a person who puts her personal convenience over the interests of the nation to keep its most important secrets secret
- a blatantly corrupt seller of political influence on a globally initiative scale.
- a person who will appoint a justice to the SCOTUS that believes the Constitution was written on an etch-a-sketch
When you Identify that person. Sign me up. I didn't pick Trump. My state hasn't voted yet. But he was picked for me. So, I need to pick the better of the two realistic candidates. It is that simple. When you guys get over your Cruz-butt-hurt you will realize it too.
Posted by: tommylotto at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (A3a8d)
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Whoops . Pro-Ace Thread. A Pro-Ace three sounds like a hooker and Ace threesome which I really wasn't endorsing. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (w4NZ8)
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***"Yet people on the right fail to understand this principle. OH NO Trump said something I disagree with 20 years ago. Fucking RINO!!!!!!! He's never getting my vote.
Smart. Very fucking smart."***
That stupid shit about his father wasn't 20 years ago.
His policy statements and walkbacks from this very campaign wasn't 20 years ago.
The denial here of the glaring flaws Trump has here is stultifying.
Very fvcking smart indeed.
Smart. Very fucking smart."***
That stupid shit about his father wasn't 20 years ago.
His policy statements and walkbacks from this very campaign wasn't 20 years ago.
The denial here of the glaring flaws Trump has here is stultifying.
Very fvcking smart indeed.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (Wckf4)
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Right. Because a fusterclucked gaggle of House Gopes is going to do the right thing.
If that's the newest plan, try to spoil the electoral college from reaching 270 for anyone, it's even dumber than all the other dumb ideas that have been floated already. And there have been some monumentally dumb ideas floated.
Posted by: BurtTC
Oh Fuck us all....They're going to install katshitt and try to take Ohio with a third party gambit.
Except with trumps' numbers, Katshitt may imperil one or more of the red states from 2008, 2012.
Right. Because a fusterclucked gaggle of House Gopes is going to do the right thing.
If that's the newest plan, try to spoil the electoral college from reaching 270 for anyone, it's even dumber than all the other dumb ideas that have been floated already. And there have been some monumentally dumb ideas floated.
Posted by: BurtTC
Oh Fuck us all....They're going to install katshitt and try to take Ohio with a third party gambit.
Except with trumps' numbers, Katshitt may imperil one or more of the red states from 2008, 2012.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:07 PM (326rv)
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Weimar! Weimar! Wherefore art we Weimar?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:08 PM (Nwg0u)
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What good is a sovereign United States of America if it's run by an authoritarian socialist?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Hi
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Hi
Posted by: 2008-2016 at May 05, 2016 01:08 PM (Gwldq)
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1) he has said he will repeal ObamaCare. Hillary has said she wants to expand it to illegal aliens.
We already have universal health care for the poor, it's called MediCaid. Was any Republican nominee going to end MediCaid?
2) Decades ago he was pro-choice, now he says he's pro-life. Ronald
Reagan was in the same boat and signed all sorts of laws of laws
opening up abortion in California as Governor before he was President.
3) Eminent domain is in the US Constitution. Did any Republican running want to strip it out of the Constitution?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (C6cBW)
I understand he says those thing now (except not really since he still supports PP while lying that he is pro-life, and he still supports the individual mandate and universal government funded insurance while lying that he will repeal O-care).
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say one private citizen has the right to use government force to steal the property of another private citizen.
I think anybody who believes Trump is more than a little self-delusional and foolish.
We already have universal health care for the poor, it's called MediCaid. Was any Republican nominee going to end MediCaid?
2) Decades ago he was pro-choice, now he says he's pro-life. Ronald
Reagan was in the same boat and signed all sorts of laws of laws
opening up abortion in California as Governor before he was President.
3) Eminent domain is in the US Constitution. Did any Republican running want to strip it out of the Constitution?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (C6cBW)
I understand he says those thing now (except not really since he still supports PP while lying that he is pro-life, and he still supports the individual mandate and universal government funded insurance while lying that he will repeal O-care).
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say one private citizen has the right to use government force to steal the property of another private citizen.
I think anybody who believes Trump is more than a little self-delusional and foolish.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:08 PM (3JA/M)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 01:08 PM (8ZskC)
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Can I assume that the GOP is rewriting the primary and caucus rules so this epic disaster is not repeated?
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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>>>but almost all of it is pathological.
Already going for the liberal approach of denigrating political opposition by summarily pronouncing it is irrational and therefore not worth critical examination.
Already going for the liberal approach of denigrating political opposition by summarily pronouncing it is irrational and therefore not worth critical examination.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (0q2P7)
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but Trump gets Ohio, Wisconsin, etc..
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Loved most of your comment--but I can't help but to point out-
No way in hell Trump wins Wisconsin.
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Loved most of your comment--but I can't help but to point out-
No way in hell Trump wins Wisconsin.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (mcm0N)
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A Pro-Ace three sounds like a hooker and Ace threesome which I really wasn't endorsing. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
*perks up*
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
*perks up*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (1xUj/)
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495
This is the classic example of seeing the tree but missing the forest.
So the Anti-Trumps folks hate Trump because they think he is some form
of Hitler.
Posted by: William Eaton at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (KhJh
I, for one, don't think that at all. I strongly dislike Trump because he seems to have severe mental health issues, coupled with having a stunted personality. It's like he never grew out of the college jock phase of self identification. This is not a sarcastic slam on him. I actually believe he has mental health issues.
This is the classic example of seeing the tree but missing the forest.
So the Anti-Trumps folks hate Trump because they think he is some form
of Hitler.
Posted by: William Eaton at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (KhJh
I, for one, don't think that at all. I strongly dislike Trump because he seems to have severe mental health issues, coupled with having a stunted personality. It's like he never grew out of the college jock phase of self identification. This is not a sarcastic slam on him. I actually believe he has mental health issues.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (aRUb8)
560
Weimar! Weimar! Wherefore art we Weimar?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:08 PM (Nwg0u)
I will be there eventually, I am hoofing it as fast as I can!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:08 PM (Nwg0u)
I will be there eventually, I am hoofing it as fast as I can!
Posted by: The Coming Depression at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (3JA/M)
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If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive, please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)
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Ok, my tin foil hat is adjusted just fine. It's just weird that a guy who most definitely supported the Clintons over at least 2 decades with large globs of money is now all of a sudden on the other side.
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Well, here's something I do think: I think Bill Clinton heartily encouraged Trump to run, correctly anticipating the chaos Trump would sow in the Republican primary and the whole R-party for that matter.
I'm not sure Trump would have held back if Clinton had DIScouraged him -- but I think Clinton himself was hoping to make a difference in Trump's decision.
But now, the Clintons have gotten what they asked for. Someone should have told them to beware.
Ok, my tin foil hat is adjusted just fine. It's just weird that a guy who most definitely supported the Clintons over at least 2 decades with large globs of money is now all of a sudden on the other side.
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Well, here's something I do think: I think Bill Clinton heartily encouraged Trump to run, correctly anticipating the chaos Trump would sow in the Republican primary and the whole R-party for that matter.
I'm not sure Trump would have held back if Clinton had DIScouraged him -- but I think Clinton himself was hoping to make a difference in Trump's decision.
But now, the Clintons have gotten what they asked for. Someone should have told them to beware.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (pC96u)
563
ACE and Ben really know everything don't they? Keep talking/writing, see where it's getting you, nowhere. You all need to stop whining about Trump and get over yourselves. Oh, your candidate didn't win, boo hoo, you don't represent the majority of America.
We need to beat Hillary, and Trump has been the only person from day 1 that is strong enough to do it. Sorry you didn't see it, and you love to think your so much better than everyone else...
We need to beat Hillary, and Trump has been the only person from day 1 that is strong enough to do it. Sorry you didn't see it, and you love to think your so much better than everyone else...
Posted by: allen at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (I96aN)
564
But they are fooling people, lots of them.
We don't need a third party, or new parties. We need a citizen exchange. We'll take your tired and poor who want to work for whatever they can get with no guarantees, and you can have our money-is-unlimited safe-spaces sexual-politics-is-all population wherever that's cool.
We're two separate countries - a progressive spendthrift tribe and a conservative tribe. There are a lot of closet conservatives shamed into appearing moderate but the truth is they would be fine with leadership who govern further to the right. Shaming and job security are the two things preventing a lot of the right-leaning from making those leanings clear.
The true believer, lifelong democrats/progressives/socialists just need to get the hell out and that's the end of it. I'd say we can fight about it but that's stupid, they're beta pussies unfit for the free world who need to relocate to the European financially insolvent adult playpen of their choice to save themselves and us the trouble. Federal authority and mass communication have destroyed the states as labs of democracy - the only remaining solution is to found new states.
Third parties... putting another dessert on the menu doesn't bring everyone rallying to the new selection, it's just yet another triviality on which to argue. It does not fix the problem. We all end up eating the same dessert and we are a 50/50 split of people who not only prefer their nominated treat but become violently ill from all others. All others. At that point somebody just needs to be excused from the table rather than attempt to force an allergy on other diners.
We're irreconcilably tethered to identity politics and there's no fixing it. The end.
We don't need a third party, or new parties. We need a citizen exchange. We'll take your tired and poor who want to work for whatever they can get with no guarantees, and you can have our money-is-unlimited safe-spaces sexual-politics-is-all population wherever that's cool.
We're two separate countries - a progressive spendthrift tribe and a conservative tribe. There are a lot of closet conservatives shamed into appearing moderate but the truth is they would be fine with leadership who govern further to the right. Shaming and job security are the two things preventing a lot of the right-leaning from making those leanings clear.
The true believer, lifelong democrats/progressives/socialists just need to get the hell out and that's the end of it. I'd say we can fight about it but that's stupid, they're beta pussies unfit for the free world who need to relocate to the European financially insolvent adult playpen of their choice to save themselves and us the trouble. Federal authority and mass communication have destroyed the states as labs of democracy - the only remaining solution is to found new states.
Third parties... putting another dessert on the menu doesn't bring everyone rallying to the new selection, it's just yet another triviality on which to argue. It does not fix the problem. We all end up eating the same dessert and we are a 50/50 split of people who not only prefer their nominated treat but become violently ill from all others. All others. At that point somebody just needs to be excused from the table rather than attempt to force an allergy on other diners.
We're irreconcilably tethered to identity politics and there's no fixing it. The end.
Posted by: 0302 at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (hDDgx)
565
Can't wait to see the Trump wall, built by Pepsi and Mexico, but mostly Pepsi.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (2PHKP)
566
Meanwhile in the real world, local taxpayers all over the Country...and especially in my neck of the woods- are pissed that their Property Taxes are going up to pay the exhorbedent costs of the health care premiums of County Employees. LMAO....Well what did you think was going to happen under Fredocare?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (V/InG)
567
Except he's not. One non-vote does not, mathematically, ethically or logically equal a vote for the other.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
Advocating for that is more than one vote and in the real world,
yeah that's gonna lead to a clinton victory. We will never agree on
this, so we will just have to agree not to agree
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (V/InG)
See, this is the one and only place where this site misses Amishnitwitdude. He could explain the math stuff.
As for the ethics, I'm ok with that part all by myself.
Sorry, it just doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:01 PM (TOk1P)
Advocating for that is more than one vote and in the real world,
yeah that's gonna lead to a clinton victory. We will never agree on
this, so we will just have to agree not to agree
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:03 PM (V/InG)
See, this is the one and only place where this site misses Amishnitwitdude. He could explain the math stuff.
As for the ethics, I'm ok with that part all by myself.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (TOk1P)
568
I've never known anyone with a bad personality who also had good character.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (aFa2V)
What are you defining as personality? For example someone could be extremely boring and shy but have a shining character.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:05 PM (aFa2V)
What are you defining as personality? For example someone could be extremely boring and shy but have a shining character.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (FTIES)
569
>> Do we feel good about this? Does this send up any red flages?
Of course it does. But we have to acknowledge Putin's been doing a lot right - by his interests, not ours - and we and the Europeans have been getting a lot wrong.
We also have to acknowledge Russian/Soviet history re their 'near abroad'. Not that we have to knuckle under to it, but we have to acknowledge their concerns.
And the fact that there's virtually no Western European armed forces worth a damn right now.
Of course it does. But we have to acknowledge Putin's been doing a lot right - by his interests, not ours - and we and the Europeans have been getting a lot wrong.
We also have to acknowledge Russian/Soviet history re their 'near abroad'. Not that we have to knuckle under to it, but we have to acknowledge their concerns.
And the fact that there's virtually no Western European armed forces worth a damn right now.
Posted by: JEM at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (o+SC1)
570
I, for one, don't think that at all. I strongly dislike Trump because he seems to have severe mental health issues, coupled with having a stunted personality.
Arf. Arf arf arf arf arf!!!
*hic*
Arf. Arf arf arf arf arf!!!
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (8ZskC)
571
555 Can I assume that the GOP is rewriting the primary and caucus rules so this epic disaster is not repeated?
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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"Only members of the the Country Club are allowed to run for president. The Country Club shall be henceforth open only to those directly invited. Only those with a <50% rating on an average of Conservative Congressional scorecards will be admitted."
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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"Only members of the the Country Club are allowed to run for president. The Country Club shall be henceforth open only to those directly invited. Only those with a <50% rating on an average of Conservative Congressional scorecards will be admitted."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 01:10 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: 2008-2016 at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (Gwldq)
573
428
The media has never stopped smearing Trump as racist misogynistic xenophobic and every 21st century curse word imaginable at any point in this cycle, and people still went with him.
You're struggling with a phantom foe.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (xuouz)
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You think the media is a phantom foe?!?
You can't possibly be that ignorant and naive.
Or do you mean that ultra-racist Drumpf is a phantom foe created by the media? That is true. It is a phantom --- but it doesn't matter whether it is true or not.
Don't you get that?
"People still went with him." How many? I mean how many as a percentage of the general electorate?
And how about the many who, having swallowed the media line, are terrified and disgusted and will come out in droves to vote, not for dull Hillary, but AGAINST Herr Drumpf?
Talk to me in November.
The media has never stopped smearing Trump as racist misogynistic xenophobic and every 21st century curse word imaginable at any point in this cycle, and people still went with him.
You're struggling with a phantom foe.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:53 PM (xuouz)
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You think the media is a phantom foe?!?
You can't possibly be that ignorant and naive.
Or do you mean that ultra-racist Drumpf is a phantom foe created by the media? That is true. It is a phantom --- but it doesn't matter whether it is true or not.
Don't you get that?
"People still went with him." How many? I mean how many as a percentage of the general electorate?
And how about the many who, having swallowed the media line, are terrified and disgusted and will come out in droves to vote, not for dull Hillary, but AGAINST Herr Drumpf?
Talk to me in November.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (T/5A0)
574
555 Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
NO silly then we can't play games with the outcome.
//Rinsed Penis
Frankly I have been begging an screaming that we close our primaries for 20 years...
it'll never happen b/c "fairness" of course if the GOP ran like Team Jackass Yeb would be 15 points down on Hillary right now.
NO silly then we can't play games with the outcome.
//Rinsed Penis
Frankly I have been begging an screaming that we close our primaries for 20 years...
it'll never happen b/c "fairness" of course if the GOP ran like Team Jackass Yeb would be 15 points down on Hillary right now.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)
575
Help! Help! I'm drowning and I can't get on the Trump raft 'cause it's all icky! Can't somebody send a yacht?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (Nwg0u)
576
>>>Trump never talks about limiting the power of government, or
freedom. Never. He's Government Action Man-- the government can do and
do and do for "the people."
CNBC story : Trump plans to help businesses by "refinancing longer-term U.S. debt, lowering taxes and scrapping a slew of federal regulations."
freedom. Never. He's Government Action Man-- the government can do and
do and do for "the people."
CNBC story : Trump plans to help businesses by "refinancing longer-term U.S. debt, lowering taxes and scrapping a slew of federal regulations."
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (TJCSB)
577
554
Choosing between Trump and Clinton is essentially choosing between Scarface (narcissitic, erratic, indulgent, aggressive) and Littlefinger (calculating, connected, utterly amoral). I don't know which is less destructive.
Choosing between Trump and Clinton is essentially choosing between Scarface (narcissitic, erratic, indulgent, aggressive) and Littlefinger (calculating, connected, utterly amoral). I don't know which is less destructive.
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (mFkVC)
578
This idea that Trump is an authoritarian is fantasy from the fevered imagination of the #neverTrump crowd (and its fellow travelers). Tying Lois Lerner around Trump's neck? Yeah right. Just because he's a loudmouth doesn't mean he will be sending out the troops to round people up or that he will be siccing the various federal agencies on his opponents. It is all made up by the same people who used to say he could never win the nomination. Now they say he can't beat Hillary, but still he must be stopped anyway.
Fiction.
Fiction.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (R+30W)
579
/near decade from hell sock off
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 01:11 PM (Gwldq)
580
I'm only 50. Can someone with more experience tell me if there has ever been a Presidential candidate who, after effectively wrapping up the nomination, had a deeply divided party, half of whom hated the candidate's guts, and how that all worked out?
Posted by: T.W. Itter at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (Jh20h)
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (iWFQR)
582
>>>561 If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive, please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best representation of a man's true character
because when you live with a tyrannical personality type prone to gales of anger you become, as a survival strategy, a keen observer of emotion and good at comporting yourselves with other people.
because when you live with a tyrannical personality type prone to gales of anger you become, as a survival strategy, a keen observer of emotion and good at comporting yourselves with other people.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (dciA+)
583
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive, please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)
Someone here has said that he has claimed in his book that he did not raise his children. It was his ex-wife. And you could have a great person with horrible children and vice versa.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)
Someone here has said that he has claimed in his book that he did not raise his children. It was his ex-wife. And you could have a great person with horrible children and vice versa.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (FTIES)
584
Oh man, the 'If You Don't Vote For My Guy, Then You're Voting For The Other Guy' passive-aggressive guilt trip that has no basis in reality or adult conversation.
Yay!
Yay!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (Wckf4)
585
Trump has documented history of being a liberal.
Not really. Most of Trump's history is particularly apolitical, outside of politicians that he needed for his business. For most of his life Trump had pretty much nothing to say about politics, outside of local machinations which every businessman (especially in real estate) has to deal with.
Almost all of Trump's time, when he was actually in politics, has been in the GOP. In 2012 Trump was the only one around the primary who took Barky to task for his eligibility (or lack thereof). Of course, that position inspires hate among many who are "ostensibly" on the right ....
Hating him for it isn't pathological. It's just well founded.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (2PHKP)
If you say so ...
Not really. Most of Trump's history is particularly apolitical, outside of politicians that he needed for his business. For most of his life Trump had pretty much nothing to say about politics, outside of local machinations which every businessman (especially in real estate) has to deal with.
Almost all of Trump's time, when he was actually in politics, has been in the GOP. In 2012 Trump was the only one around the primary who took Barky to task for his eligibility (or lack thereof). Of course, that position inspires hate among many who are "ostensibly" on the right ....
Hating him for it isn't pathological. It's just well founded.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:06 PM (2PHKP)
If you say so ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (zc3Db)
586
Isn't there any ground between believing your goal
is more important than the means you use to get there, and actually
considering your ends justifying any means?
All of which is a defense of my own position and not the actions of any other particular idiot.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (xuouz)
Depends on the goal. If your goal is the same as your enemies...how is that a win?
is more important than the means you use to get there, and actually
considering your ends justifying any means?
All of which is a defense of my own position and not the actions of any other particular idiot.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 12:48 PM (xuouz)
Depends on the goal. If your goal is the same as your enemies...how is that a win?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (aRUb8)
587
Hillary will have NAMBLA representatives "teaching " our kids how it's "done" Anyone here "#with her"?
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (vVE0M)
588
"Many of Trump's supporters are authoritarians -- not all, mind you, some just want the wall, or to "teach DC a lesson""
Also, many are just harmless, silly, head in the clouds weirdos like Ben Carson, and confused old people who vote on name recognition and don't understand that e-mail FWD chains aren't reliable sources of political information.
Also, many are just harmless, silly, head in the clouds weirdos like Ben Carson, and confused old people who vote on name recognition and don't understand that e-mail FWD chains aren't reliable sources of political information.
Posted by: reform highlander at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (jCH/T)
589
Can I assume that the GOP is rewriting the primary and caucus rules so this epic disaster is not repeated?
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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HAHAHAHAHA.
How many public beatings did it take before the RNC even kinda sorta figured maybe they should more or less to some degree not exactly go along with debate formats designed and executed by the Left?
We will do what the Iowa corn farmers want for the next 5 elections at least.
Can I assume that the GOP is rewriting the primary and caucus rules so this epic disaster is not repeated?
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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HAHAHAHAHA.
How many public beatings did it take before the RNC even kinda sorta figured maybe they should more or less to some degree not exactly go along with debate formats designed and executed by the Left?
We will do what the Iowa corn farmers want for the next 5 elections at least.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (pC96u)
590
Posted by: Capt. Barbarossa at May 05, 2016 12:57 PM (326rv)
No Jeff B, and others explicitly stated what their Dream Republican looked like...
it looked a lot like Mitt actually.
Here's the thing, a lot of us explained that a 100% moderate GOPer would have no positions in stone and try to run left to grab Donks.
Trump is running left trying to recreate Ronald Reagan...
he *may* just win but it'll be close.
Regardless America is the lesser for our giving in to the "moderate impulse" but here we sit.
Posted by: sven10077
Argh ye scruvy dog, I was agreein' with ye'. It used to be a code, but now seems to have tacked over yonder into 'guideline'.
Ye be needin' a good Master's mate to plot your course.
And I need to stop talkin' like Capt Feathersword.
No Jeff B, and others explicitly stated what their Dream Republican looked like...
it looked a lot like Mitt actually.
Here's the thing, a lot of us explained that a 100% moderate GOPer would have no positions in stone and try to run left to grab Donks.
Trump is running left trying to recreate Ronald Reagan...
he *may* just win but it'll be close.
Regardless America is the lesser for our giving in to the "moderate impulse" but here we sit.
Posted by: sven10077
Argh ye scruvy dog, I was agreein' with ye'. It used to be a code, but now seems to have tacked over yonder into 'guideline'.
Ye be needin' a good Master's mate to plot your course.
And I need to stop talkin' like Capt Feathersword.
Posted by: Capt. Barbarossa at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (326rv)
591
>>>When you guys get over your Cruz-butt-hurt
I never liked Cruz that much, but he was the best of the lot.
>>> So, I need to pick the better of the two realistic candidates. It is that simple.
Fine whatever, it's your vote. Just don't expect me to ratify a Trump Presidency with my vote.
I never liked Cruz that much, but he was the best of the lot.
>>> So, I need to pick the better of the two realistic candidates. It is that simple.
Fine whatever, it's your vote. Just don't expect me to ratify a Trump Presidency with my vote.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (0q2P7)
592
"This is bullshit.
The issue was trumps support for New London vs. Kelo, where a town decided to steal land from a peasant and give it to a developer. Not for a school, road, public project. The peasant was paying 'x' in taxes, and the developer or the eventual lad user was going to pay 'x+y'. So they took it.
Your assertion is false."
Thank you for your post. I find it incredible that so many think Kelo was just a run of the mill eminent domain case. It was a ghastly decision.
The issue was trumps support for New London vs. Kelo, where a town decided to steal land from a peasant and give it to a developer. Not for a school, road, public project. The peasant was paying 'x' in taxes, and the developer or the eventual lad user was going to pay 'x+y'. So they took it.
Your assertion is false."
Thank you for your post. I find it incredible that so many think Kelo was just a run of the mill eminent domain case. It was a ghastly decision.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (OD2ni)
593
The issue was trumps support for New London vs. Kelo, where a town decided to steal land from a peasant and give it to a developer.
Posted by: Blue Hen
__________
Yea, Kelo is truly one of the defining issues facing this nation. Nevermind it was Republican nominated judges that went along with that decision.
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Blue Hen
__________
Yea, Kelo is truly one of the defining issues facing this nation. Nevermind it was Republican nominated judges that went along with that decision.
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (C6cBW)
594
561
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)
Trump himself said in his book that he had only a minimal role in raising his kids.
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)
Trump himself said in his book that he had only a minimal role in raising his kids.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (dpnZC)
595
I'm with you, Ace. Even if it's too late for a Third Party run to be successful, we could at least start laying the groundwork for the next election. Sasse is right. The majority of Americans, especially young people, hate both parties. I will never vote for Trump, Hillary, or Sanders.
Posted by: Mary at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (2ly7u)
596
Choosing between Trump and Clinton is essentially choosing between Scarface (narcissitic, erratic, indulgent, aggressive) and Littlefinger (calculating, connected, utterly amoral). I don't know which is less destructive.
I'm going to help you out here cuz I'm a giver. The answer is, Trump would be less destructive than Hillary. WAY less destructive.
I'm going to help you out here cuz I'm a giver. The answer is, Trump would be less destructive than Hillary. WAY less destructive.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (8ZskC)
597
Hey Ace - I sent my daughter a link to your Star Wars screed last night and she loved it.. She's not very political, and leans lefty, so I don't think she'll be back for these kind of posts.. but she really enjoyed the star wars one.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (so+oy)
598
Hillary will win 45+ states. But all you precious principled moral voters will be able to feel goo about yourselves. I do ask however that for the next 8 years none of you bitch or complain about anything. You broke it, you own it. No bitching allowed.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (LgrFs)
599
"In the coming months you'll actually get to see what you bought. And unlike most areas of business, there is absolutely no penalty whatsoever for it not being what was advertised."
Posted by: MikeTheMoose
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I've said this a number of times, but it bears repeating:
What is Trump's best asset, according to Trump? His ability to make great deals.
And you know what? I agree. Trump has been a successful businessman. He's made himself wealthy. Now, being a successful businessman doesn't always mean that everyone benefits from the deals you cut. It means *you* benefit from the deals you cut. That's why when I look at his bankruptcies, I don't say "what a bad businessman!" I say "what a shrewd businessman, reaping the profits and leaving his creditors holding the bag."
Trump makes great deals. The BEST deals... for Trump.
Well, guess what? Trump's engaged in negotiations now. He's negotiating for your vote. You have something that he needs, and he's going to do what it takes to get it. Now, based on his track record, don't you have to conclude that he's going to get the long end of that deal? Don't you have to conclude that he's going to try to get as far away from delivering what he promised as he can? You're the creditor. He made the promise to you. How are you going to enforce that promise?
You're not. Trump's going to do what he wants, and when he does he'll do the political equivalent of a Chapter 7 filing. And you'll get pennies on the dollar, if anything.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose
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I've said this a number of times, but it bears repeating:
What is Trump's best asset, according to Trump? His ability to make great deals.
And you know what? I agree. Trump has been a successful businessman. He's made himself wealthy. Now, being a successful businessman doesn't always mean that everyone benefits from the deals you cut. It means *you* benefit from the deals you cut. That's why when I look at his bankruptcies, I don't say "what a bad businessman!" I say "what a shrewd businessman, reaping the profits and leaving his creditors holding the bag."
Trump makes great deals. The BEST deals... for Trump.
Well, guess what? Trump's engaged in negotiations now. He's negotiating for your vote. You have something that he needs, and he's going to do what it takes to get it. Now, based on his track record, don't you have to conclude that he's going to get the long end of that deal? Don't you have to conclude that he's going to try to get as far away from delivering what he promised as he can? You're the creditor. He made the promise to you. How are you going to enforce that promise?
You're not. Trump's going to do what he wants, and when he does he'll do the political equivalent of a Chapter 7 filing. And you'll get pennies on the dollar, if anything.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (26zxJ)
600
>>>but almost all of it is pathological.
Already going for the liberal approach of denigrating political opposition by summarily pronouncing it is irrational and therefore not worth critical examination.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (0q2P7)
Don't blame me because they're nuts.
Already going for the liberal approach of denigrating political opposition by summarily pronouncing it is irrational and therefore not worth critical examination.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (0q2P7)
Don't blame me because they're nuts.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (zc3Db)
601
589
Can I assume that the GOP is rewriting the primary and caucus rules so this epic disaster is not repeated?
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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HAHAHAHAHA.
How many public beatings did it take before the RNC even kinda sorta figured maybe they should more or less to some degree not exactly go along with debate formats designed and executed by the Left?
We will do what the Iowa corn farmers want for the next 5 elections at least.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (pC96u)
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In all seriousness, Cruz won Iowa while coming out against ethanol subsidies. At least, maybe, Iowa's clout in this whole affair, especially the ethanol lobby, will be greatly diminished.
Can I assume that the GOP is rewriting the primary and caucus rules so this epic disaster is not repeated?
Posted by: Don't Stop Thinking About 2020 at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (Jh20h)
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HAHAHAHAHA.
How many public beatings did it take before the RNC even kinda sorta figured maybe they should more or less to some degree not exactly go along with debate formats designed and executed by the Left?
We will do what the Iowa corn farmers want for the next 5 elections at least.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (pC96u)
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In all seriousness, Cruz won Iowa while coming out against ethanol subsidies. At least, maybe, Iowa's clout in this whole affair, especially the ethanol lobby, will be greatly diminished.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (rJSDb)
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>>Children are the best representation of a man's true character
Wasn't this the defense for the Menendez Brothers?
Wasn't this the defense for the Menendez Brothers?
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (ZcEXv)
603
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's
President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
No, he'll just appoint judges who will weaken the Fifth Amendment even further. Isn't that bad enough?
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's
President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
No, he'll just appoint judges who will weaken the Fifth Amendment even further. Isn't that bad enough?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (dpnZC)
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If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive, please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best representation of a man's true character
because when you live with a tyrannical personality type prone to gales of anger you become, as a survival strategy, a keen observer of emotion and good at comporting yourselves with other people.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (dciA+)
Yeah I don't buy that Ace, and since you have no idea that is true, that is kinda a low blow....By all accounts Trumps kids are well adjusted, successful with not a hint of scandal at all. And in this day and age and in some of the circles they travel in THAT is commendable no matter how much you hate Trump.
because when you live with a tyrannical personality type prone to gales of anger you become, as a survival strategy, a keen observer of emotion and good at comporting yourselves with other people.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 01:12 PM (dciA+)
Yeah I don't buy that Ace, and since you have no idea that is true, that is kinda a low blow....By all accounts Trumps kids are well adjusted, successful with not a hint of scandal at all. And in this day and age and in some of the circles they travel in THAT is commendable no matter how much you hate Trump.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (V/InG)
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Well, here's something I do think: I think Bill Clinton heartily encouraged Trump to run, correctly anticipating the chaos Trump would sow in the Republican primary and the whole R-party for that matter.
I'm not sure Trump would have held back if Clinton had DIScouraged him -- but I think Clinton himself was hoping to make a difference in Trump's decision.
But now, the Clintons have gotten what they asked for. Someone should have told them to beware.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (pC96u)
There's some interesting speculation about how much Bill Clinton wants Hillary to win.
Does he really want to be First Husband and see Hillary tarnish his legacy?
That phonecall could have been, "hear you're running. Good luck."
I'm not sure Trump would have held back if Clinton had DIScouraged him -- but I think Clinton himself was hoping to make a difference in Trump's decision.
But now, the Clintons have gotten what they asked for. Someone should have told them to beware.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (pC96u)
There's some interesting speculation about how much Bill Clinton wants Hillary to win.
Does he really want to be First Husband and see Hillary tarnish his legacy?
That phonecall could have been, "hear you're running. Good luck."
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (uURQL)
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I think the real problem is that this country is split. And not just in two but many pieces. When the idea of sovereign states became passé, that's when the big problems started. That's when DC started spiraling out of control.
Until power can be returned to it's proper structure, we'll always be getting prez candidates like we've seen the last couple of decades.
It's really a question of states asserting themselves once again. Some have started.
I do believe Cruz wanted this also, and he is young enough to run again. Perhaps next time. I will say this, however. He's going to have to improve his attitude about getting down and dirty because that's what elections will be for awhile.
Until power can be returned to it's proper structure, we'll always be getting prez candidates like we've seen the last couple of decades.
It's really a question of states asserting themselves once again. Some have started.
I do believe Cruz wanted this also, and he is young enough to run again. Perhaps next time. I will say this, however. He's going to have to improve his attitude about getting down and dirty because that's what elections will be for awhile.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (Fmupd)
607
I'd vote for Scarface. Np ove little finger
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (vVE0M)
608
Honestly can't say that Hillary would be worse than Trump.
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I'd wind up in a park with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
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I'd wind up in a park with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (Nwg0u)
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Republican nominated judges that went along with that decision.
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (C6cBW)
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Bbbbbut 20 years ago Trump also said something I don't agree with. Therefore he is worse than Hitler.
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (C6cBW)
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Bbbbbut 20 years ago Trump also said something I don't agree with. Therefore he is worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (LgrFs)
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I'm wondering what all of the bitter Cruz supporters were thinking.
Did they think that we'd play another game of "Anybody But Romney" with the final choice being Cruz?
You Walker and Perry and Jindal (et al) fans - who won't vote for Trump because your second choice didn't make it - is that really what you expected?
And why?
I'm wondering what all of the bitter Cruz supporters were thinking.
Did they think that we'd play another game of "Anybody But Romney" with the final choice being Cruz?
You Walker and Perry and Jindal (et al) fans - who won't vote for Trump because your second choice didn't make it - is that really what you expected?
And why?
Posted by: Ed Anger at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (RcpcZ)
611
This hypothetical 3rd party candidate would have to be a media superstar with great hair and a gift of persuasion.
Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (DL2i+)
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569
Putin has been doing very well for Putin - not so much for Russia. He is a tyrant.
We really SHOULDN'T credit his concerns with his 'near abroad,' since that means NOT crediting the rights and freedoms of people in Ukraine, the Baltics and elsewhere.
Why are we comfortable with a candidate with close ties to what is, essentially, a nation opposed to US interests?
Putin has been doing very well for Putin - not so much for Russia. He is a tyrant.
We really SHOULDN'T credit his concerns with his 'near abroad,' since that means NOT crediting the rights and freedoms of people in Ukraine, the Baltics and elsewhere.
Why are we comfortable with a candidate with close ties to what is, essentially, a nation opposed to US interests?
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (mFkVC)
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Ace,
Best unplugged vacations. Do it now before public schools break for the summer:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zlgfvk4
We will survive!
Best unplugged vacations. Do it now before public schools break for the summer:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zlgfvk4
We will survive!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (w4NZ8)
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There's nothing left but to mock at that point. Honestly, I'll continue mocking most likely. Because when those like Sessions realize Trump was just using their ideas to give him a leg up without any intent of implementing them, I'll have no other option than "I told you so, you dumbass."
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (tM4uk)
There's a difference in kind between mocking actions and mocking the fundamental nature of such a person.
If it's the first, by all means, mock away.
But when it's the latter? You are revealing something about yourself that is quite ugly indeed and of which I want no part.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 12:40 PM (tM4uk)
There's a difference in kind between mocking actions and mocking the fundamental nature of such a person.
If it's the first, by all means, mock away.
But when it's the latter? You are revealing something about yourself that is quite ugly indeed and of which I want no part.
Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (mf5HN)
615
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (C6cBW)
Bunch of emotional women with PMS, amirite??
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (C6cBW)
Bunch of emotional women with PMS, amirite??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (2PHKP)
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I find this far more distressing than Kelo
"I've looked at the legal arguments against [birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution."
Ted Cruz
"I've looked at the legal arguments against [birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution."
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (C6cBW)
617
So let's say Trump is horrible. Can you honestly say
he is worse than Hillary? If you answer is no, then voting 3rd party of
taking your ball and going home, ie not voting, is idiotic.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (LgrFs)
-If we're going to have a disgusting totalitarian piece of shit in the White House I'd rather have one without an R next to their name and one who cannot be cast by the media as representative of conservatives. Also, I'm not sure if it's possible to get more horrible than actively pushing a conspiracy theory about Cruz's father assassinating JFK.
-The orange clown has absolutely zero chance of winning. None. Supporting a third party at this point is no more "handing the election to Hitlery" than supporting the orange clown is. The right third-party candidate would an extremely remote chance of winning, which is a lot better than the zero percent chance the orange clown has.
he is worse than Hillary? If you answer is no, then voting 3rd party of
taking your ball and going home, ie not voting, is idiotic.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:04 PM (LgrFs)
-If we're going to have a disgusting totalitarian piece of shit in the White House I'd rather have one without an R next to their name and one who cannot be cast by the media as representative of conservatives. Also, I'm not sure if it's possible to get more horrible than actively pushing a conspiracy theory about Cruz's father assassinating JFK.
-The orange clown has absolutely zero chance of winning. None. Supporting a third party at this point is no more "handing the election to Hitlery" than supporting the orange clown is. The right third-party candidate would an extremely remote chance of winning, which is a lot better than the zero percent chance the orange clown has.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (ztrrs)
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because when you live with a tyrannical personality type prone to gales of anger you become, as a survival strategy, a keen observer of emotion and good at comporting yourselves with other people.
Posted by: ace
the secret of Bill Clinton's success.
Posted by: ace
the secret of Bill Clinton's success.
Posted by: x at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (nFwvY)
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"598 Hillary will win 45+ states. But all you precious principled moral voters will be able to feel goo about yourselves. I do ask however that for the next 8 years none of you bitch or complain about anything. You broke it, you own it. No bitching allowed."
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
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I thought you wanted to Burn It Down. This is what Burning It Down looks like, friend-of-friends.
*You* broke it, *you* own it.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
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I thought you wanted to Burn It Down. This is what Burning It Down looks like, friend-of-friends.
*You* broke it, *you* own it.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (26zxJ)
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"The usual math on this is that a third party run would be disastrous and
would deliver the election to Hillary. Many #NeverTrumpers, and I'm
edging into that group myself, find this a weak objection in this case:
Trump himself will inevitably be demolished, so there's no threat of
"throwing the election." It already has been thrown."
What's worse for me isn't the notion that Trump is going to get demolished; it's that Trump is Hillary in a different package, or at best, Hillary-lite. I'm immune to the argument that not supporting Trump is a vote for Hillary -- because supporting Trump is just a different flavor of Hillary anyway.
Supreme Court nominees? There's no reason to believe Trump would nominate a constitutionalist. He won't commit to a slate of candidates he'd nominate for the court. He's every bit as likely or more to nominate someone like Christie or another liberal northeastern GOP-elite chum of his, and we'd wind up with someone, at best, somewhere between Roberts and Kennedy.
If he'd commit today to nominating Cruz to SCOTUS, and Cruz committed to accepting, I'd see the wisdom of supporting Trump solely for that.
Hillary is no hope, and Trump is a sucker's hope.
would deliver the election to Hillary. Many #NeverTrumpers, and I'm
edging into that group myself, find this a weak objection in this case:
Trump himself will inevitably be demolished, so there's no threat of
"throwing the election." It already has been thrown."
What's worse for me isn't the notion that Trump is going to get demolished; it's that Trump is Hillary in a different package, or at best, Hillary-lite. I'm immune to the argument that not supporting Trump is a vote for Hillary -- because supporting Trump is just a different flavor of Hillary anyway.
Supreme Court nominees? There's no reason to believe Trump would nominate a constitutionalist. He won't commit to a slate of candidates he'd nominate for the court. He's every bit as likely or more to nominate someone like Christie or another liberal northeastern GOP-elite chum of his, and we'd wind up with someone, at best, somewhere between Roberts and Kennedy.
If he'd commit today to nominating Cruz to SCOTUS, and Cruz committed to accepting, I'd see the wisdom of supporting Trump solely for that.
Hillary is no hope, and Trump is a sucker's hope.
Posted by: Qoheleth at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (iIzG7)
621
I think Rush is talking about ace's post....
Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Young Frankenstein at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (Gwldq)
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"And you could have a great person with horrible children and vice versa."
Exactly. My wife is a wonderful, kind human being, but her mother is a selfish, nasty a-hole.
Exactly. My wife is a wonderful, kind human being, but her mother is a selfish, nasty a-hole.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (OD2ni)
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Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Trump wants to pay me $500k for my two bedroom, one bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the Kelo paperwork out.
Trump wants to pay me $500k for my two bedroom, one bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the Kelo paperwork out.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (6hZFv)
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Bbbbbut 20 years ago Trump also said something I don't agree with. Therefore he is worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (LgrFs)
Get your strawman!! Get your strawman ovah here!!
Bbbbbut 20 years ago Trump also said something I don't agree with. Therefore he is worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (LgrFs)
Get your strawman!! Get your strawman ovah here!!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (2PHKP)
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One thing that will be different in this election than in the elections that put Obama in office will be that when we voted against Obama, we were able to say, at least, that we took a stand against putting him in office.
When Hillary is president, we won't be able to say that.
So there's that.
When Hillary is president, we won't be able to say that.
So there's that.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (4ng05)
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Read the Bio Of A Space Tyrant series, particularly the 4th and 5th books. If I thought Trump had that much foresight, I might have some hope. But I don't.
We have to wrangle the system away from the political class (the Democrat-Republican Axis) at the state level.
We have to wrangle the system away from the political class (the Democrat-Republican Axis) at the state level.
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (YPK4q)
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Just a few more things...Trump just stated that he will get rid of a lot
of business regulations that choke small businesses. Can we agree that
is a conservative stance?
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He is lying about that too. Everyone of those regulations has been written to benefits some crony-socialist jackass like Trump.
Trump will do precisely jack and shit to upset that applecart.
of business regulations that choke small businesses. Can we agree that
is a conservative stance?
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He is lying about that too. Everyone of those regulations has been written to benefits some crony-socialist jackass like Trump.
Trump will do precisely jack and shit to upset that applecart.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (3JA/M)
629
Rush paraphrased this....
"About seven months ago I noticed, and said on the blog: Trump never
talks about limiting the power of government, or freedom. Never. He's
Government Action Man-- the government can do and do and do for "the
people.""
"About seven months ago I noticed, and said on the blog: Trump never
talks about limiting the power of government, or freedom. Never. He's
Government Action Man-- the government can do and do and do for "the
people.""
Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (jjaLl)
630
I really just don't understand what the gripe against Trump is. Because you don't think he's as smart as you? He hasn't read as many political theory books, he doesn't sing that sophisticated talk radio song that you're used to? That's really all I can figure. It really just is about style over substance.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (7AhYZ)
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Cleanup at >449
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (xuouz)
I'm always afraid when someone says this, I'll be post 450. So when the cleanup does happen, everyone goes back to look at 449, and now I'm 449!
Then they're wondering what jerkwad nonsense I pulled THIS time.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:02 PM (xuouz)
I'm always afraid when someone says this, I'll be post 450. So when the cleanup does happen, everyone goes back to look at 449, and now I'm 449!
Then they're wondering what jerkwad nonsense I pulled THIS time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (TOk1P)
632
Trump supporters need to start working on their excuses for Trump's historic drubbing in November. You'll need all the time you can get.
Posted by: Voting Machines! at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (Jh20h)
633
I will repeat this again and again: This is not a fight for conservatism anymore, but a battle for the sovereignty of the United States of America. Too many conservatives are for mass immigration even if they claim not to be, internationalism over national laws and economy, trade deals that gain the U.S. less than what it loses, are for strange Islamic nation building adventures, and a grab bag of views that are destroying the country.
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I agree, William Eaton.
I will repeat this again and again: This is not a fight for conservatism anymore, but a battle for the sovereignty of the United States of America. Too many conservatives are for mass immigration even if they claim not to be, internationalism over national laws and economy, trade deals that gain the U.S. less than what it loses, are for strange Islamic nation building adventures, and a grab bag of views that are destroying the country.
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I agree, William Eaton.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (pC96u)
634
466 Please take a break Ace. Your fever hasn't broken yet.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (/E+t2)
Actually, I think liveblogging the shitty Star Wars movie is what broke poor ace.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 12:58 PM (/E+t2)
Actually, I think liveblogging the shitty Star Wars movie is what broke poor ace.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (u0lmX)
635
Remember when most of us were for Perry?
Now the hate is everywhere. That doesn't smell like victory in the morning after the general election. It smells like Hillary is coming.
Now the hate is everywhere. That doesn't smell like victory in the morning after the general election. It smells like Hillary is coming.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (mcm0N)
636
LaceWigs are the key to a lifelike Strawman.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (ZcEXv)
637
3rd party is a stupid idea.
Posted by: freaked at May 05, 2016 01:19 PM (exTP2)
638
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Trump wants to pay me $500k for my two bedroom, one bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the Kelo paperwork out.
Posted by: rickb223
What's funny is everybody I've known that's been involved in an eminent domain project has made out like a bandit.
It's usually the best thing that ever happens to people.
Trump wants to pay me $500k for my two bedroom, one bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the Kelo paperwork out.
Posted by: rickb223
What's funny is everybody I've known that's been involved in an eminent domain project has made out like a bandit.
It's usually the best thing that ever happens to people.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:19 PM (C6cBW)
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Yea, Kelo is truly one of the defining issues facing this nation. Nevermind it was Republican nominated judges that went along with that decision.
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo
More bullshit.
1.Trump siad that he was in favor of it.
2. Antonin Scalia May God grant him rest) was a Republican appointed judge, and he led the dissent.
3. You made a false assertion about "republicans not working against eminent domain.
The issue was NOT AND NEVER WAS eminent domain per se.
It was the (wait for it) authoritarian bent to take land from a peasant and give it to a powerful, monied interest. Something that 'Justice" Ginsberg (ACLU member) joyfully approved.
Try again; you have one strike left.
Trump is going to take people's houses and build casinos when he's President. That's going to be the first thing he does on Day 1.
Such silliness here all to pretend like this is not really all about bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo
More bullshit.
1.Trump siad that he was in favor of it.
2. Antonin Scalia May God grant him rest) was a Republican appointed judge, and he led the dissent.
3. You made a false assertion about "republicans not working against eminent domain.
The issue was NOT AND NEVER WAS eminent domain per se.
It was the (wait for it) authoritarian bent to take land from a peasant and give it to a powerful, monied interest. Something that 'Justice" Ginsberg (ACLU member) joyfully approved.
Try again; you have one strike left.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:19 PM (326rv)
640
Trump himself said in his book that he had only a minimal role in raising his kids.
On the other hand, here's what his own kids say:
https://tinyurl.com/go2b3en
"A lot of people probably think that we're spoiled kids", Don Jr. admits of himself and his siblings. "They think we show up to a (hotel) opening, cut a ribbon, and leave, and that we don't actually do anything. But that's not what we're about. My father's logic from the beginning was if you're going to have someone dig a ditch for you, you'd better know how to do it yourself. So here's your shovel. Start digging."
"My father exposed us to his business at a very young age," Don Jr. recalls. "The time that we spent with him wasn't 'Hey let's go play catch in the backyard'. It was 'Let's go work on this jobsite'. [...]"
On the other hand, here's what his own kids say:
https://tinyurl.com/go2b3en
"A lot of people probably think that we're spoiled kids", Don Jr. admits of himself and his siblings. "They think we show up to a (hotel) opening, cut a ribbon, and leave, and that we don't actually do anything. But that's not what we're about. My father's logic from the beginning was if you're going to have someone dig a ditch for you, you'd better know how to do it yourself. So here's your shovel. Start digging."
"My father exposed us to his business at a very young age," Don Jr. recalls. "The time that we spent with him wasn't 'Hey let's go play catch in the backyard'. It was 'Let's go work on this jobsite'. [...]"
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:19 PM (uURQL)
641
Sasse-Dover: BOHICA 2016
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at May 05, 2016 01:19 PM (m5xM0)
642
The Third Party only works (by "works" I mean expresses the will of the people rather than further frustrates it) if the Sanders partisans construct themselves a Fourth Party.
But as we know, Sanders is playing a role in the great play - he'll win some pie in the sky concession from Hillary or some stupid plank at the convention and throw his support behind her. He was always there to appeal to the people who Hillary couldn't, get them engaged and excited, and then throw them over to her.
If the Trump phenomenon is sui generis and an expression of the frustration of ordinary people with the GOP, jumping in and ensuring a Trump loss rather than simply letting it happen and getting the bad blood out is going to make a more extreme version of Trump more likely in future elections. Right now, Trump people are saying that he'll wipe the floor with Hillary because he fights and isn't PC (and maybe this is true), but their hypothesis won't be proven true or false by the election if there's a third party, so they'll want to double down in future contests which will ensure Democrat electoral hegemony not just in Presidential contests, but down ticket and in state contests as well.
Sometimes you just have to admit when you've been beat, learn the lessons, and ride the tiger as best you can until the next time.
But as we know, Sanders is playing a role in the great play - he'll win some pie in the sky concession from Hillary or some stupid plank at the convention and throw his support behind her. He was always there to appeal to the people who Hillary couldn't, get them engaged and excited, and then throw them over to her.
If the Trump phenomenon is sui generis and an expression of the frustration of ordinary people with the GOP, jumping in and ensuring a Trump loss rather than simply letting it happen and getting the bad blood out is going to make a more extreme version of Trump more likely in future elections. Right now, Trump people are saying that he'll wipe the floor with Hillary because he fights and isn't PC (and maybe this is true), but their hypothesis won't be proven true or false by the election if there's a third party, so they'll want to double down in future contests which will ensure Democrat electoral hegemony not just in Presidential contests, but down ticket and in state contests as well.
Sometimes you just have to admit when you've been beat, learn the lessons, and ride the tiger as best you can until the next time.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 05, 2016 01:20 PM (RfZaB)
643
604
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (V/InG)
Maybe because he ( the man he seems to be) wasn't there very much...more of a sugar daddy with cool friends.
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:15 PM (V/InG)
Maybe because he ( the man he seems to be) wasn't there very much...more of a sugar daddy with cool friends.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:20 PM (aRUb8)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (mf5HN)
You're point is well taken. I understand their anger and in many respects agree with it.
Their chosen banner carrier of said anger though, to me is mock worthy.
You're point is well taken. I understand their anger and in many respects agree with it.
Their chosen banner carrier of said anger though, to me is mock worthy.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 01:20 PM (tM4uk)
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630
It's pretty simple: He has absolutely no principles and believes only in his own power. Thus, he tends to default to an authoritarian stance when he isn't lying. It's about the farthest thing from "style over substance" imaginable.
It's pretty simple: He has absolutely no principles and believes only in his own power. Thus, he tends to default to an authoritarian stance when he isn't lying. It's about the farthest thing from "style over substance" imaginable.
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:20 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:20 PM (2PHKP)
647
Has Deez Nuts introduced any Policy Statements?
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:20 PM (ZcEXv)
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I'm always afraid when someone says this, I'll be post 450. So when the cleanup does happen, everyone goes back to look at 449, and now I'm 449!
Then they're wondering what jerkwad nonsense I pulled THIS time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (TOk1P)
My bad. I just didn't want to quote the bastard.
Then they're wondering what jerkwad nonsense I pulled THIS time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (TOk1P)
My bad. I just didn't want to quote the bastard.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (xuouz)
649
Trump wants to pay me $500k for my two bedroom, one
bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the
Kelo paperwork out.
Posted by: rickb223
250k
furnished!
bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the
Kelo paperwork out.
Posted by: rickb223
250k
furnished!
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (Gwldq)
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I don tlive in NY, land of insane over regulation
I live in Texas, which the donks would like to turn into a third world shithole as soon as possible
Trump might be an authoritarian, I need to hear more about how this is known at this point
I know Hillary is an authoritarian. She jailed a guy for making a video to cover up that she let some people die in Benghazi
there are alot of good arguments in this post, but I dont see any proof that Trump is an authoritarian other than some of his supporters are assholes
a lot of people are assholes. Somebody here, not a Trump guy, wished someone cancer. I didnt attribute to his preferred candidate
there are assholes all around, plenty of shame to be had
I don tlive in NY, land of insane over regulation
I live in Texas, which the donks would like to turn into a third world shithole as soon as possible
Trump might be an authoritarian, I need to hear more about how this is known at this point
I know Hillary is an authoritarian. She jailed a guy for making a video to cover up that she let some people die in Benghazi
there are alot of good arguments in this post, but I dont see any proof that Trump is an authoritarian other than some of his supporters are assholes
a lot of people are assholes. Somebody here, not a Trump guy, wished someone cancer. I didnt attribute to his preferred candidate
there are assholes all around, plenty of shame to be had
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (DL2i+)
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"Bbbbbut 20 years ago Trump also said something I don't agree with. Therefore he is worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo"
Yes, Captain Hyperbole, that's exactly the reason...
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo"
Yes, Captain Hyperbole, that's exactly the reason...
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (OD2ni)
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Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (C6cBW)
A fuller version of Cruz's statement:
Cruz, Aug. 13, 2011: I have spent my professional career defending the Constitution. ... The 14th Amendment provides for birthright citizenship. I've looked at the legal arguments against it, and I will tell you, as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution. And I don't like it when federal judges set aside the Constitution because their policy preferences are different. And so my view, I think it's a mistake for conservatives to be focusing on trying to fight what the Constitution says on birthright citizenship. I think we are far better off focusing on securing the border, because birthright citizenship wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have people coming in illegally.
So Cruz is actually being a consistent Constitutional conservative even in the face of objection *on the right*.
I find it hard to fault that type of integrity.
A fuller version of Cruz's statement:
Cruz, Aug. 13, 2011: I have spent my professional career defending the Constitution. ... The 14th Amendment provides for birthright citizenship. I've looked at the legal arguments against it, and I will tell you, as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution. And I don't like it when federal judges set aside the Constitution because their policy preferences are different. And so my view, I think it's a mistake for conservatives to be focusing on trying to fight what the Constitution says on birthright citizenship. I think we are far better off focusing on securing the border, because birthright citizenship wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have people coming in illegally.
So Cruz is actually being a consistent Constitutional conservative even in the face of objection *on the right*.
I find it hard to fault that type of integrity.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (dpnZC)
654
There's no solid information to critically analyze Trump. Any honest critical analysis should conclude that his positions are self-contradictory, and self-serving.
This isn't butthurt or pathological.
It's reality.
This isn't butthurt or pathological.
It's reality.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Wckf4)
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Not being a wuss, or in Trump supporter vernacular, a cuck, is different than being an authoritarian. I'd be careful to not conflate these things as being the same. I can live with Trump being called a populist, but I can't understand where these accusations of fascism or authoritarianism come from.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (7AhYZ)
656
Well I like the Donalds style so I will be voting for him in October. What the hell do you mean by substance? Like goo?
Posted by: Double Wide Debbie at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Jh20h)
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561
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM
~~~~~
For the umpteenth time!
Trump has stated, and written, that he had n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with raising his children. He told his wives that if they wanted children, he would provide the money, but that was it.
And if that is all you require in a presidential candidate, perhaps you should be rooting for Ivana Trump.
If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM
~~~~~
For the umpteenth time!
Trump has stated, and written, that he had n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with raising his children. He told his wives that if they wanted children, he would provide the money, but that was it.
And if that is all you require in a presidential candidate, perhaps you should be rooting for Ivana Trump.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Lsu4e)
658
Cruz would have been a horrible candidate. He had no chance of winning anything. So rail against Trump all you want but the biggest loser was/is Cruz.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (iQIUe)
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sted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (7AhYZ
Yep, all that stuff I listed earlier I don't like about his platform, totes style.
Yep, all that stuff I listed earlier I don't like about his platform, totes style.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (tM4uk)
660
they love me..they really love me..
Posted by: hillary's cackle at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Ffw22)
661
>>>He is lying about that too.
the stuff he says that you hate is his true position. the stuff he says that you like is him lying.
every time I call it a game, you call it a business. every time I call it a business, you say it's a game
/Matuszak
the stuff he says that you hate is his true position. the stuff he says that you like is him lying.
every time I call it a game, you call it a business. every time I call it a business, you say it's a game
/Matuszak
Posted by: x at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (nFwvY)
662
I find this far more distressing than Kelo
"I've looked at the legal arguments against [birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution."
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo
Cruz is no longer in the running. Trump is. And yet you try to deflect by drawing attention to a policy position that's no longer in play this year.
next batter please.
"I've looked at the legal arguments against [birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution."
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo
Cruz is no longer in the running. Trump is. And yet you try to deflect by drawing attention to a policy position that's no longer in play this year.
next batter please.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (326rv)
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>> We really SHOULDN'T credit his concerns with his 'near
>> abroad,' since that means NOT crediting the rights and
>> freedoms of people in Ukraine, the Baltics and elsewhere.
I did NOT say that.
What I did say is that we need to understand that 1991 was not the end of history, that the Yeltsin era was - or at least the Russians want it to be - an historical anomaly, and that Putin's goal has always been to wind the clock back to 1970.
We need to oppose this, but we need to do so intelligently, and it makes little sense to do it in a manner where our traditional allies are baggage.
A German army that can't operate in the field for two full weeks without busting the country's military budget is one embarrassment too far.
We need a come-to-Jesus with our NATO partners over what they've signed up for and how they're going to pay for it. And maybe some just don't belong.
>> abroad,' since that means NOT crediting the rights and
>> freedoms of people in Ukraine, the Baltics and elsewhere.
I did NOT say that.
What I did say is that we need to understand that 1991 was not the end of history, that the Yeltsin era was - or at least the Russians want it to be - an historical anomaly, and that Putin's goal has always been to wind the clock back to 1970.
We need to oppose this, but we need to do so intelligently, and it makes little sense to do it in a manner where our traditional allies are baggage.
A German army that can't operate in the field for two full weeks without busting the country's military budget is one embarrassment too far.
We need a come-to-Jesus with our NATO partners over what they've signed up for and how they're going to pay for it. And maybe some just don't belong.
Posted by: JEM at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (o+SC1)
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I am surprised there aren't a bunch of LP types in here whining THERE ALREADY IS A THIRD PARTY!!
The infrastructure is there and already on the ballot in 32 states.
Parachute Romney and a half billion dollars of Koch and other Republican money men money into the LP convention at the end of this month, and Romney will be a newly minted Libertarian. And the LP will become the new GOPe. Except maybe with good dope.
I said a while ago that the GOP would soon BE the third party. That's how it will happen.
The infrastructure is there and already on the ballot in 32 states.
Parachute Romney and a half billion dollars of Koch and other Republican money men money into the LP convention at the end of this month, and Romney will be a newly minted Libertarian. And the LP will become the new GOPe. Except maybe with good dope.
I said a while ago that the GOP would soon BE the third party. That's how it will happen.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (2Ocf1)
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>>"My father exposed us to his business at a very young age," Don Jr. recalls. "The time that we spent with him wasn't 'Hey let's go play catch in the backyard'. It was 'Let's go work on this jobsite'
Bullshit.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Bullshit.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)
666
"Bbbbbut 20 years ago Trump also said something I don't agree with. Therefore he is worse than Hitler."
He said plenty of things recently that I don't agree with. He's open to raising the minimum wage. He thinks Planned Parenthood is nifty, and must be supported with taxpayer dollars.
Worse, he's given me to reason to believe that he's committed to what he says. Words are cheap, and he's contradicted his words with decades of past action and past support.
So, line up the strawmen; they're usually the first to be lost in a firefight.
He said plenty of things recently that I don't agree with. He's open to raising the minimum wage. He thinks Planned Parenthood is nifty, and must be supported with taxpayer dollars.
Worse, he's given me to reason to believe that he's committed to what he says. Words are cheap, and he's contradicted his words with decades of past action and past support.
So, line up the strawmen; they're usually the first to be lost in a firefight.
Posted by: Qoheleth at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (iIzG7)
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Actually, I think liveblogging the shitty Star Wars movie is what broke poor ace.
Darth Mickey: "Yes ... give into your anger ... your hate ..."
Darth Mickey: "Yes ... give into your anger ... your hate ..."
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (uURQL)
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Also, the authoritarian angle isn't just implicit in their behavior and sentiments. Don't know if anyone in the ace forums says anything this extreme, but on alt-right forums Trump supporters will straight up tell me they want Trump to be a dictator (yes, they used the word "dictator" themselves) who does for white people what they imagine Obama is doing for black people. The more mainstream conservatives buying into this, which I assume includes most of the Trump advocates in these forums, are going to have some serious morning after regrets when the high of winning ends, the beer goggles fade away, and they see who they're waking up next to.
Posted by: reform highlander at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (jCH/T)
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From the 1990 Trump Playboy interview.
"I don't want to be President. I'm one hundred percent sure. I'd change my mind only if I saw this country continue to go down the tubes."
That really sounds like he's working for Hillary doesn't it?
"I don't want to be President. I'm one hundred percent sure. I'd change my mind only if I saw this country continue to go down the tubes."
That really sounds like he's working for Hillary doesn't it?
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (f4AGl)
670
I still start giggling when I think of Ace shitting himself. "Bubble of Horror" was pure poetry, man.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (6xtq3)
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I, for one, don't think that at all. I strongly dislike Trump because he seems to have severe mental health issues, coupled with having a stunted personality. It's like he never grew out of the college jock phase of self identification. This is not a sarcastic slam on him. I actually believe he has mental health issues.
And yet he has somehow managed to raise some pretty normal and well grounded kids who despite growing up filthy rich have avoided the pit falls many children of privilege fall into.So how does a screaming lefty authoritarian with mental health issues manage to pull that off?
I, for one, don't think that at all. I strongly dislike Trump because he seems to have severe mental health issues, coupled with having a stunted personality. It's like he never grew out of the college jock phase of self identification. This is not a sarcastic slam on him. I actually believe he has mental health issues.
And yet he has somehow managed to raise some pretty normal and well grounded kids who despite growing up filthy rich have avoided the pit falls many children of privilege fall into.So how does a screaming lefty authoritarian with mental health issues manage to pull that off?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
672
635 Remember when most of us were for Perry?
everyone seemed OK with him being a democrat 20 years ago.
everyone seemed OK with him being a democrat 20 years ago.
Posted by: x at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (nFwvY)
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Trump might be an authoritarian, I need to hear more about how this is known at this point
>>>>>
Chicken guts. Tea leaves. Psychic Friends Network.
The usual.
>>>>>
Chicken guts. Tea leaves. Psychic Friends Network.
The usual.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (Gwldq)
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The issue was NOT AND NEVER WAS eminent domain per se.
It was the (wait for it) authoritarian bent to take land from a peasant and give it to a powerful, monied interest. Something that 'Justice" Ginsberg (ACLU member) joyfully approved.
Try again; you have one strike left.
Posted by: Blue Hen
that's been happening for a long time. Monied interests want a freeway built to expand a town, and the local government hand the homeowners in the way a large check to buy it from them. Been happening for several generations. It's authorized in the US Constitution.
Not a fan of Kelo specifically, but a REALLY stupid issue to hang your hat on.
Again, which is more important Kelo or
"I've looked at the legal arguments against [birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution."
Ted Cruz
It was the (wait for it) authoritarian bent to take land from a peasant and give it to a powerful, monied interest. Something that 'Justice" Ginsberg (ACLU member) joyfully approved.
Try again; you have one strike left.
Posted by: Blue Hen
that's been happening for a long time. Monied interests want a freeway built to expand a town, and the local government hand the homeowners in the way a large check to buy it from them. Been happening for several generations. It's authorized in the US Constitution.
Not a fan of Kelo specifically, but a REALLY stupid issue to hang your hat on.
Again, which is more important Kelo or
"I've looked at the legal arguments against [birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S. Constitution."
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (C6cBW)
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but I can't understand where these accusations of fascism or authoritarianism come from.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (7AhYZ)
They accuse him of being an "Authoritarian" and at the same time and in the same breath of being to "Flexible"?
LMAO
I bet with a little luck we could get him convicted of the Lindburgh baby kidnapping?
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (7AhYZ)
They accuse him of being an "Authoritarian" and at the same time and in the same breath of being to "Flexible"?
LMAO
I bet with a little luck we could get him convicted of the Lindburgh baby kidnapping?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (V/InG)
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Trump wants to pay me $500k for my two bedroom, one bath home, I'll take that check so fast he won't even get to pull the Kelo paperwork out.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (6hZFv)
So would I.
Doesn't mean if someone else doesn't want to give up their house for any price, they should be forced to. It's their own house.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 01:17 PM (6hZFv)
So would I.
Doesn't mean if someone else doesn't want to give up their house for any price, they should be forced to. It's their own house.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (FTIES)
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What are you defining as personality? For example someone could be extremely boring and shy but have a shining character.
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Jerry Lewis once said he didn't know the path to success but the path to failure is trying to please everybody. I think a lot of this characterization of virtually all successful people as bullies etc. arises from their need to take charge of their own enterprise to the detriment of the well meaning and the parasites alike. This could easily be seen as bad character.
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Jerry Lewis once said he didn't know the path to success but the path to failure is trying to please everybody. I think a lot of this characterization of virtually all successful people as bullies etc. arises from their need to take charge of their own enterprise to the detriment of the well meaning and the parasites alike. This could easily be seen as bad character.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (Nwg0u)
678
Depends on the goal. If your goal is the same as your enemies...how is that a win?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (aRUb
It's not. It's border security, a revived economy, military strength, and an end to leftist thought-policing.
I am not an authoritarian, I am not a (complete) hoodwinked moron, I am not a racist, I am not a liberal.
Yes it's a long shot. There is no one else.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:13 PM (aRUb
It's not. It's border security, a revived economy, military strength, and an end to leftist thought-policing.
I am not an authoritarian, I am not a (complete) hoodwinked moron, I am not a racist, I am not a liberal.
Yes it's a long shot. There is no one else.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
679
The--hate, hate hate. That also smells like Democrats.
But when it comes to Obama--eh--let's have Moo Moo or Drew M write a defense of Obama because the media wasn't doing it thoroughly enough.
And is John Ekdahl ever right about the Talk Radio heroes.
But when it comes to Obama--eh--let's have Moo Moo or Drew M write a defense of Obama because the media wasn't doing it thoroughly enough.
And is John Ekdahl ever right about the Talk Radio heroes.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (mcm0N)
680
So Cruz is actually being a consistent Constitutional conservative even in the face of objection *on the right*.
I find it hard to fault that type of integrity.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (dpnZC)
Come on Chemjeff, the real problem with Cruz is that he looks like a fish monster and he's a terrible person. Don't you get it?
I find it hard to fault that type of integrity.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (dpnZC)
Come on Chemjeff, the real problem with Cruz is that he looks like a fish monster and he's a terrible person. Don't you get it?
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (/E+t2)
681
Since it's late in the thread... I was just wondering...
You know they call Republicans 'the stupid party'.
Where the hell did that even come from?
You know they call Republicans 'the stupid party'.
Where the hell did that even come from?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (f4AGl)
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>>>If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)<<<
Juan Williams is one of the worst liberal punditsFOX Trump News beams out to people's tv screens. One of his sons is a pretty good conservative. I guess that means we're really all wrong in believing Juan is an insufferable Dem hack?
Or maybe it is possible for the apple to fall far from the tree.
>>>If D. Trump's "character and temperament" is so bad and offensive,
please tell us how his kids turned out so great? Children are the best
representation of a man's true character
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:09 PM (vVE0M)<<<
Juan Williams is one of the worst liberal pundits
Or maybe it is possible for the apple to fall far from the tree.
Posted by: see also Reagan, Ronald, and two of his kids at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (H9MG5)
684
I would be right in the middle of all this arguing, but for some reason my customers decided to do something different - like buy shit.
I'll catch up later.
I'll catch up later.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (Zs4uk)
685
662 Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:22 PM (326rv)
Cruz is consistent as is sadly ~ 120 years of precedent.
My personal favorite "SCotUS magic tricks" is Justice Kennedy deciding the abolitionists were discussing gay marriage when the 14th amendment was passed on a whim.
The 1st and 2d amendments are dying soon.
Enjoy 'em while you got 'em.
RIP Scalia
Cruz is consistent as is sadly ~ 120 years of precedent.
My personal favorite "SCotUS magic tricks" is Justice Kennedy deciding the abolitionists were discussing gay marriage when the 14th amendment was passed on a whim.
The 1st and 2d amendments are dying soon.
Enjoy 'em while you got 'em.
RIP Scalia
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (g8Hfr)
686
"I've looked at the legal arguments against
[birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court
litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may
dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S.
Constitution."
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (C6cBW)
And again with this stupidity... an argument from a Constitutional lawyer on the likely outcome of a Constitutional case with the Supreme Court as it stands now is NOT A STATEMENT OF PERSONAL BELIEF. And guess what, he is right. Given the wording of the 14th Amendment, a birthright citizen suit would likely be futile.
Good Lord, you guys need to stop following your orange overlord's example.
[birthright citizenship], and I will tell you as a Supreme Court
litigator, those arguments are not very good. As much as someone may
dislike the policy of birthright citizenship, it's in the U.S.
Constitution."
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:16 PM (C6cBW)
And again with this stupidity... an argument from a Constitutional lawyer on the likely outcome of a Constitutional case with the Supreme Court as it stands now is NOT A STATEMENT OF PERSONAL BELIEF. And guess what, he is right. Given the wording of the 14th Amendment, a birthright citizen suit would likely be futile.
Good Lord, you guys need to stop following your orange overlord's example.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (3JA/M)
687
Nine Governors, five Senators, a surgeon, a business executive, and an Orange Clown walk into a bar...
Posted by: Hillarious! 2016 at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (Jh20h)
688
Remember when most of us were for Perry?
everyone seemed OK with him being a democrat 20 years ago.
Posted by: x
We also kinda got to see him....govern as a republican. So there's that.
everyone seemed OK with him being a democrat 20 years ago.
Posted by: x
We also kinda got to see him....govern as a republican. So there's that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (326rv)
689
FWIW, I went hard #NeverTrump when I heard about how Trump University worked.
I have a close friend who got scammed via an Amway/motivational organization and people who willingly start those kinds of rackets are slime.
When I heard that he then licensed his name to an actual, straight-up multilevel marketing scheme, that sealed it.
I think Donald Trump is a very contemptible man, and I trust him about as far as I can throw him and his entire real estate portfolio. There is no combination of circumstances that will ever get me to vote for him.
I have a close friend who got scammed via an Amway/motivational organization and people who willingly start those kinds of rackets are slime.
When I heard that he then licensed his name to an actual, straight-up multilevel marketing scheme, that sealed it.
I think Donald Trump is a very contemptible man, and I trust him about as far as I can throw him and his entire real estate portfolio. There is no combination of circumstances that will ever get me to vote for him.
Posted by: SparcVark at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (nKOXj)
690
Bullshit.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)
If you have a source for that, please do share.
I just wanted to point out the contrast between Trump's testimony and his kid's testimony on what kind of father Trump is.
It's consistent with Trump being modest.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)
If you have a source for that, please do share.
I just wanted to point out the contrast between Trump's testimony and his kid's testimony on what kind of father Trump is.
It's consistent with Trump being modest.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: West at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (1Rgee)
692
I guess that means we're really all wrong in believing Juan is an insufferable Dem hack?
No but it probably means he is a pretty decent person.
No but it probably means he is a pretty decent person.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (V/InG)
693
"Actually, I think liveblogging the shitty Star Wars movie is what broke poor ace.
Posted by: Donna and V."
At least Ace didn't have to see it in the movies like I did. Before the movie, the theater ran a Google "year in review" ad which was all SJW BS. Put me in a very sour mood for that movie.
Posted by: Donna and V."
At least Ace didn't have to see it in the movies like I did. Before the movie, the theater ran a Google "year in review" ad which was all SJW BS. Put me in a very sour mood for that movie.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (OD2ni)
694
Trump will audit the shit out of every single govt department and clean house like it's never been done before. A guy like him knows how to spot graft in any financial printout. ALL of these progressive criminals currently running our country will be lawyering up as they shred docs, destroy laptops and throw their phones down the sewers after Trump is POTUS elect.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M)
695
Since it's late in the thread... I was just wondering...
You know they call Republicans 'the stupid party'.
Where the hell did that even come from?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean
I looked in a mirror.
You know they call Republicans 'the stupid party'.
Where the hell did that even come from?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean
I looked in a mirror.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (326rv)
696
>>Again, which is more important Kelo or....
---------------
Kelo is more important.
Kelo wasn't about land for a highway, sewer plant or a school. It was for a commercial venture where the municipality believed they could get more real estate tax from than the existing homes.
Follow the money
---------------
Kelo is more important.
Kelo wasn't about land for a highway, sewer plant or a school. It was for a commercial venture where the municipality believed they could get more real estate tax from than the existing homes.
Follow the money
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (voOPb)
697
So how does a screaming lefty authoritarian with mental health issues manage to pull that off?
>>>>>>>> >>
His family are hostages, duh.
>>>>>>>> >>
His family are hostages, duh.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (Gwldq)
698
618 because when you live with a tyrannical personality type prone to gales of anger you become, as a survival strategy, a keen observer of emotion and good at comporting yourselves with other people.
Posted by: ace
Well, either that, or you become - Chelsea.
Posted by: ace
Well, either that, or you become - Chelsea.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (u0lmX)
699
So Cruz is actually being a consistent Constitutional conservative even in the face of objection *on the right*.
I find it hard to fault that type of integrity.
Here's a legal argument for you:
How does someone get to benefit from the fruits of the poisoned tree?
Why doesn't the pawn shop that bought a stolen watch, in good faith, get to keep it?
How does a baby get automatic citizenship when their parents are illegal?
I find it hard to fault that type of integrity.
Here's a legal argument for you:
How does someone get to benefit from the fruits of the poisoned tree?
Why doesn't the pawn shop that bought a stolen watch, in good faith, get to keep it?
How does a baby get automatic citizenship when their parents are illegal?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (6hZFv)
700
Or maybe it is possible for the apple to fall far from the tree.
Posted by: see also Reagan, Ronald, and two of his kids at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (H9MG5)
Plus, they were likely mostly raised by their respective moms and the nannies.
Posted by: see also Reagan, Ronald, and two of his kids at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (H9MG5)
Plus, they were likely mostly raised by their respective moms and the nannies.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (3JA/M)
701
I like how, in a post positing having someone run 3rd party, people are attacking Ted Cruz. That's as stupid as Sasse's position that we should run someone on a 3rd party ticket. And I say that with all due respect.
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (TJCSB)
702
The 1st and 2d amendments are dying soon.
The amendments in the Constitution don't actually protect our rights to free speech and our right to bear arms.
We do. The words are just a red line for the purposes of reasonably choosing to be unreasonable.
The amendments in the Constitution don't actually protect our rights to free speech and our right to bear arms.
We do. The words are just a red line for the purposes of reasonably choosing to be unreasonable.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (uURQL)
703
Doesn't mean if someone else doesn't want to give up their house for any price, they should be forced to. It's their own house.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
But they can, that's why the Constitution had to specifically grant that.
That's what people don't understand.
5th Amendment
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, WITHOUT just compensation."
Posted by: chique d'afrique
But they can, that's why the Constitution had to specifically grant that.
That's what people don't understand.
5th Amendment
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, WITHOUT just compensation."
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)
704
"People still went with him." How many? I mean how many as a percentage of the general electorate?
I gave a lengthy analysis in the morning thread. Short answer is 40% of the general electorate. The problem is that Clinton has a hard base of 46% of the general electorate.
Trump will lose in November, but it won't be the disaster everyone is freaking out about. Down ballot loses won't be horrible and won't flip the House. Ryan will remain Speaker but will likely be the most powerful elected GOP in DC.
I gave a lengthy analysis in the morning thread. Short answer is 40% of the general electorate. The problem is that Clinton has a hard base of 46% of the general electorate.
Trump will lose in November, but it won't be the disaster everyone is freaking out about. Down ballot loses won't be horrible and won't flip the House. Ryan will remain Speaker but will likely be the most powerful elected GOP in DC.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (GZ75p)
705
694 Trump will audit the shit out of every single govt department and clean house like it's never been done before. A guy like him knows how to spot graft in any financial printout. ALL of these progressive criminals currently running our country will be lawyering up as they shred docs, destroy laptops and throw their phones down the sewers after Trump is POTUS elect.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M
Spits coffee all over screen and keyboard.
And on that note a break from this cray-cray Trump love
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M
Spits coffee all over screen and keyboard.
And on that note a break from this cray-cray Trump love
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (voOPb)
706
Third Party? Fuck that shit. I want a Second Party.
Posted by: mugiwara at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (D5hxK)
707
everyone seemed OK with him being a democrat 20 years ago.
Posted by: x at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (nFwvY
*******
No they were not. That was used against him. Also twenty years ago. Plus there is a world of difference between a Manhattanite liberal from just a few years ago--and a Southern Democrat from two decades ago--in Texas.
everyone seemed OK with him being a democrat 20 years ago.
Posted by: x at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (nFwvY
*******
No they were not. That was used against him. Also twenty years ago. Plus there is a world of difference between a Manhattanite liberal from just a few years ago--and a Southern Democrat from two decades ago--in Texas.
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (mcm0N)
708
Trump on abortion, 1999:
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (dpnZC)
709
Trump will audit the shit out of every single govt department and clean house like it's never been done before. A guy like him knows how to spot graft in any financial printout. ALL of these progressive criminals currently running our country will be lawyering up as they shred docs, destroy laptops and throw their phones down the sewers after Trump is POTUS elect.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M)
LOL
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M)
LOL
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (FTIES)
710
I can't understand where these accusations of fascism or authoritarianism come from.
-
From the same place they would have come from if Cruz or Jeb or Mario had gotten the nod, the fevered imagination of the left. Did you know Romney had binders full of women and drug his dog behind his car?
-
From the same place they would have come from if Cruz or Jeb or Mario had gotten the nod, the fevered imagination of the left. Did you know Romney had binders full of women and drug his dog behind his car?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (Nwg0u)
711
I looked in a mirror.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (326rv)
mmm, yeah. Maybe. But I think it goes deeper. Just a guess.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (326rv)
mmm, yeah. Maybe. But I think it goes deeper. Just a guess.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (4ng05)
712
>>>Bullshit.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)<<<
Well, to be fair, my "work" on the job site was barking orders at the illegal alien sub-contractors.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)<<<
Well, to be fair, my "work" on the job site was barking orders at the illegal alien sub-contractors.
Posted by: Don Jr. at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (H9MG5)
713
It's threads like these that remind me that inside every adult is their 5 year old self.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (xuouz)
714
I guess that means we're really all wrong in believing Juan is an insufferable Dem hack?
I never found Juan insufferable.
I guess that means we're really all wrong in believing Juan is an insufferable Dem hack?
I never found Juan insufferable.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (lKyWE)
715
696 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (voOPb)
Kelo was the city acting as Mafia don to force a sale based on "theoretical future tax receipts" that now sits swear to God as an unlicensed garbage dump rather than a mall.....
Kelo is everything that is wrong with the Shadow Fusion party
Kelo was the city acting as Mafia don to force a sale based on "theoretical future tax receipts" that now sits swear to God as an unlicensed garbage dump rather than a mall.....
Kelo is everything that is wrong with the Shadow Fusion party
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (g8Hfr)
716
Look beyond Trump. Do you really want Hillary appointing 3 or more Supreme Court justices? No? Then vote for Trump not because you love him but it is the only way now to keep Hillary! Out of the White House.
Posted by: Alf767 at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (YVQAa)
717
Again, which is more important Kelo or
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo
According to you, the position now out of play is more important than the one that is.
And lemme guess; this is somehow a reason to vote FOR trump?
When your chosen approach is to hide behind the guy that quit?
Well now, sign my ass up.
Ted Cruz
Posted by: Lambo
According to you, the position now out of play is more important than the one that is.
And lemme guess; this is somehow a reason to vote FOR trump?
When your chosen approach is to hide behind the guy that quit?
Well now, sign my ass up.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (326rv)
718
I'm always afraid when someone says this, I'll be
post 450. So when the cleanup does happen, everyone goes back to look at
449, and now I'm 449!
Then they're wondering what jerkwad nonsense I pulled THIS time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (TOk1P)
My bad. I just didn't want to quote the bastard.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (xuouz)
Oh, it's fine. I know, the cleanup call is helpful to the person with the banhammer. If I get a little laser burn on me because of my proximity to the troll, and people can't tell I'm not the troll, then that's on me!
I just think it's funny. I always check. Wondering if I did indeed cross a line THIS time.
post 450. So when the cleanup does happen, everyone goes back to look at
449, and now I'm 449!
Then they're wondering what jerkwad nonsense I pulled THIS time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (TOk1P)
My bad. I just didn't want to quote the bastard.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:21 PM (xuouz)
Oh, it's fine. I know, the cleanup call is helpful to the person with the banhammer. If I get a little laser burn on me because of my proximity to the troll, and people can't tell I'm not the troll, then that's on me!
I just think it's funny. I always check. Wondering if I did indeed cross a line THIS time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (TOk1P)
719
Kelo is more important.
Kelo wasn't about land for a highway, sewer plant or a school. It was for a commercial venture where the municipality believed they could get more real estate tax from than the existing homes.
Follow the money
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
So an eminent domain dispute is more important than Cruz endorsing the strategy of anchor babies and saying it's Constitutional?
I guess we have much different priorities.
Kelo wasn't about land for a highway, sewer plant or a school. It was for a commercial venture where the municipality believed they could get more real estate tax from than the existing homes.
Follow the money
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
So an eminent domain dispute is more important than Cruz endorsing the strategy of anchor babies and saying it's Constitutional?
I guess we have much different priorities.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:29 PM (C6cBW)
720
Perhaps one day you'll find the courage to admit
the single purpose of this blog has become to stoke the divisive fires
of discontent under the guise of exposing some perceived cacophony of
weaknesses- which is solely a Republican affliction.There
is generous, ample material to show how promisingly destructive,
dishonest and above the law Hillary will be. But that rates nary a few
lines nor sidebar link.It's all anti-Trump,
all the time and its become a bit intellectually boorish, predictably
banal and seems borne of some irrational apathy or conflicting personal
pathos.I'm no fan of the GOP and I have my
issues with Trump. But constantly reading this stuff is akin to
observing someone's self destructive fault-finding compulsion building
to a train-wreck.There is no introspection or consideration of the
political "realities", which one might expect would come with the last
eight years of marveling curiosity.
Either way, I've been here for a long time. But it's time to take some time off from this fatuity. It's not even mildly entertaining anymore.
the single purpose of this blog has become to stoke the divisive fires
of discontent under the guise of exposing some perceived cacophony of
weaknesses- which is solely a Republican affliction.There
is generous, ample material to show how promisingly destructive,
dishonest and above the law Hillary will be. But that rates nary a few
lines nor sidebar link.It's all anti-Trump,
all the time and its become a bit intellectually boorish, predictably
banal and seems borne of some irrational apathy or conflicting personal
pathos.I'm no fan of the GOP and I have my
issues with Trump. But constantly reading this stuff is akin to
observing someone's self destructive fault-finding compulsion building
to a train-wreck.There is no introspection or consideration of the
political "realities", which one might expect would come with the last
eight years of marveling curiosity.
Either way, I've been here for a long time. But it's time to take some time off from this fatuity. It's not even mildly entertaining anymore.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (O0lVq)
721
Let's start listing some of the examples of Trump's authoritarianism here:
1) no belief in small government; every solution is larger government; big part of immigration plan was a huge new law enforcement force
2) no actual belief in free speech - wants to expand libel laws, feels Rafeal Cruz shouldn't be "allowed" to criticize him
3) "strength" seems to be his primary measure of something's worth
4) repeated and constant praise of dictators and tyrants; Russia, China, Iraq, Iran - particularly of their strength
5) very close ties to Putin's tyranical Russia
6) doesn't even pay lip service to traditional republican (and Republican) values of "freedom" and "liberty" - coupled with complete ignorance of founding documents (and principles) of the nation
7) coyly endorses violence at his rallies (he'll pay anyone's legal bills...)
refusal to condemn authoritarian supporters, even when pressed (when asked to condemn death threats towards author of piece about his wife, instead attacked the piece as "mean" and said people "shouldn't" be able to go after wives)
what else we got?
1) no belief in small government; every solution is larger government; big part of immigration plan was a huge new law enforcement force
2) no actual belief in free speech - wants to expand libel laws, feels Rafeal Cruz shouldn't be "allowed" to criticize him
3) "strength" seems to be his primary measure of something's worth
4) repeated and constant praise of dictators and tyrants; Russia, China, Iraq, Iran - particularly of their strength
5) very close ties to Putin's tyranical Russia
6) doesn't even pay lip service to traditional republican (and Republican) values of "freedom" and "liberty" - coupled with complete ignorance of founding documents (and principles) of the nation
7) coyly endorses violence at his rallies (he'll pay anyone's legal bills...)
refusal to condemn authoritarian supporters, even when pressed (when asked to condemn death threats towards author of piece about his wife, instead attacked the piece as "mean" and said people "shouldn't" be able to go after wives)
what else we got?
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (mFkVC)
722
Spits coffee all over screen and keyboard.
And on that note a break from this cray-cray Trump love
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (voOPb)
I know, right? Who the believes this garbage much less type it out and hit the enter button?
And on that note a break from this cray-cray Trump love
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (voOPb)
I know, right? Who the believes this garbage much less type it out and hit the enter button?
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (/E+t2)
723
if we're going to have a Fuhrer, I at least want one who used to be a general or something, not a reality show host with a combover, or the propped -up wife of a sleazy pol.
Posted by: azjaeger at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (6DHHh)
724
We also kinda got to see him....govern as a republican. So there's that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (326rv)
********
Boom!
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (326rv)
********
Boom!
Posted by: that guy who didn't surrender at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (mcm0N)
725
Trump will audit the shit out of every single govt
department and clean house like it's never been done before. A guy like
him knows how to spot graft in any financial printout. ALL of these
progressive criminals currently running our country will be lawyering up
as they shred docs, destroy laptops and throw their phones down the
sewers after Trump is POTUS elect.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M)
And he will pay my mortgage and my cell phone bill, too!
department and clean house like it's never been done before. A guy like
him knows how to spot graft in any financial printout. ALL of these
progressive criminals currently running our country will be lawyering up
as they shred docs, destroy laptops and throw their phones down the
sewers after Trump is POTUS elect.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:26 PM (vVE0M)
And he will pay my mortgage and my cell phone bill, too!
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (dpnZC)
726
Yes it's a long shot. There is no one else.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
There were several someone else's.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
There were several someone else's.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (3JA/M)
727
>>If you have a source for that, please do share.
If he was digging ditches for hi dad's properties he would need to be in the laborer's union.
If he was digging ditches for hi dad's properties he would need to be in the laborer's union.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (ZcEXv)
728
>>>"nor shall private property be taken for public use, WITHOUT just compensation."
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)<<<
You use that word, but we do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)<<<
You use that word, but we do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted by: the dissenting Justices on Kelo at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (H9MG5)
729
And again with this stupidity... an argument from a Constitutional lawyer on the likely outcome of a Constitutional case with the Supreme Court as it stands now is NOT A STATEMENT OF PERSONAL BELIEF. And guess what, he is right. Given the wording of the 14th Amendment, a birthright citizen suit would likely be futile.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (3JA/M)
Maybe you should actually READ the 14th ... because it gives Congress the power and responsibility to interpret and detail the implementation of the 14th. This means that any suit should hinge more on the laws that Congress passed about the 14th implementation and it also means that any such implementation can be easily changed through legislation.
Let me refresh your memory on how the 14th ends:
Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (3JA/M)
Maybe you should actually READ the 14th ... because it gives Congress the power and responsibility to interpret and detail the implementation of the 14th. This means that any suit should hinge more on the laws that Congress passed about the 14th implementation and it also means that any such implementation can be easily changed through legislation.
Let me refresh your memory on how the 14th ends:
Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (zc3Db)
730
You can read Trump's conversion on abortion at the sock link, Chemjeff. And I thought Libertarians were pro-choice so will your principles allow you to vote for them now still too???
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (f4AGl)
731
And he will pay my mortgage and my cell phone bill, too!
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (dpnZC)
And a weekly supply of fabulous Trump steaks, too!!!
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (dpnZC)
And a weekly supply of fabulous Trump steaks, too!!!
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (3JA/M)
732
nor shall private property be taken for public use, WITHOUT just compensation."
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)
I guess if I need to build my golf club and your house is in my way, I get to pay you off regardless of your wishes. Members of the public use golf courses, right?
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)
I guess if I need to build my golf club and your house is in my way, I get to pay you off regardless of your wishes. Members of the public use golf courses, right?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (FTIES)
733
Plus there is a world of difference between a Manhattanite liberal from just a few years ago--and a Southern Democrat from two decades ago--in Texas.
Ann Richards?
Ann Richards?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (6hZFv)
734
And yet he has somehow managed to raise some pretty normal and well grounded kids who despite growing up filthy rich have avoided the pit falls many children of privilege fall into.So how does a screaming lefty authoritarian with mental health issues manage to pull that off?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
One way of looking at Trump vs. Clinton is ...
Daddy government vs. Mommy government.
We already know Mommy government is a micromanaging bitch. (See: Mom-jeans Obama)
Daddy government is an improvement. And at a personal level, Trump let his kids develop into their own. If he does the same at a nataional level, we'll be more free than before.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (lKyWE)
One way of looking at Trump vs. Clinton is ...
Daddy government vs. Mommy government.
We already know Mommy government is a micromanaging bitch. (See: Mom-jeans Obama)
Daddy government is an improvement. And at a personal level, Trump let his kids develop into their own. If he does the same at a nataional level, we'll be more free than before.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (uURQL)
735
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:14 PM (26zxJ)
One thing I'll say in defense of Der Donald is that he's been saying the same stuff just about forever. I heard him on the radio four years ago and thought man if he runs I'll bet he'd do really well. I'm killing myself that I didn't put money on him to win the nomination last year. I think the odds were 1500 to 1 or maybe 150 to 1, something outrageous like that. A couple of thousand dollars and I could've made a fortune by the summer.
One thing I'll say in defense of Der Donald is that he's been saying the same stuff just about forever. I heard him on the radio four years ago and thought man if he runs I'll bet he'd do really well. I'm killing myself that I didn't put money on him to win the nomination last year. I think the odds were 1500 to 1 or maybe 150 to 1, something outrageous like that. A couple of thousand dollars and I could've made a fortune by the summer.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (4ErVI)
736
Trump on abortion, 1999:
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
And the Libertarian Party is adamantly pro-choice, so what exactly is the problem for you?
People change on abortion, Ronald Reagan is a good example, but we''re kidding ourselves if we think anyone is going to actually end abortion.
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian
And the Libertarian Party is adamantly pro-choice, so what exactly is the problem for you?
People change on abortion, Ronald Reagan is a good example, but we''re kidding ourselves if we think anyone is going to actually end abortion.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (C6cBW)
737
new content
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (h/uSM)
738
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, WITHOUT just compensation."
Posted by: Lambo
The entire definition of "public use" was held down and gorilla fucked.
Conservatives tend to have a problem with that.
To quote Ace, "Orwells' 1984 was NOT supposed to be masturbation material".
Posted by: Lambo
The entire definition of "public use" was held down and gorilla fucked.
Conservatives tend to have a problem with that.
To quote Ace, "Orwells' 1984 was NOT supposed to be masturbation material".
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (326rv)
739
702 Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (uURQL)
Yup...people who have never read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers don't grasp that the Bill of Rights was not a love letter to central government it was in essence the MINIMUM "leave me the fuck alone" list to allow this evil monstrosity to be born.
Our ancestors would have been shooting by now.
Yup...people who have never read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers don't grasp that the Bill of Rights was not a love letter to central government it was in essence the MINIMUM "leave me the fuck alone" list to allow this evil monstrosity to be born.
Our ancestors would have been shooting by now.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (g8Hfr)
740
>>>Either way, I've been here for a long time. But it's time to take some time off from this fatuity. It's not even mildly entertaining anymore.
Bye Felicia.
*waves*
Bye Felicia.
*waves*
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (/E+t2)
741
I would find Sasse's positions more persuasive and his advocacy of the
same more credible had he not gleefully joined in on the Unpeopling of
Trump supporters.
You know what's been very painful for me throughout this primary
season? Having the mirror held up and my having to take a very long and
very hard look at my own actions and attitudes and realizing that I was
engaging in the exact same type of vituperation and dehumanizing that I
hate when done to me. That hurt. That continues to hurt. No one,
least of all me, likes confronting the ugliness in themselves.
I've been around here a long time. I've said some terrible things. I'm sure to say more in the future.
But I will not be a part of this lowest possible level of Unpeopling others. I will not.
^^^^^^^^
this
same more credible had he not gleefully joined in on the Unpeopling of
Trump supporters.
You know what's been very painful for me throughout this primary
season? Having the mirror held up and my having to take a very long and
very hard look at my own actions and attitudes and realizing that I was
engaging in the exact same type of vituperation and dehumanizing that I
hate when done to me. That hurt. That continues to hurt. No one,
least of all me, likes confronting the ugliness in themselves.
I've been around here a long time. I've said some terrible things. I'm sure to say more in the future.
But I will not be a part of this lowest possible level of Unpeopling others. I will not.
^^^^^^^^
this
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (Gwldq)
742
You can read Trump's conversion on abortion at the
sock link, Chemjeff. And I thought Libertarians were pro-choice so will
your principles allow you to vote for them now still too???
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (f4AGl)
Lots of libertarians understand that babies have rights too.
sock link, Chemjeff. And I thought Libertarians were pro-choice so will
your principles allow you to vote for them now still too???
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (f4AGl)
Lots of libertarians understand that babies have rights too.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:32 PM (3JA/M)
743
Here is the thing. I want a reason to vote for Trump as opposed to not voting. I really do. That is what I did in the past two, three elections, voted for the guy I figured would do the least worst job.
The fact of the matter however, is that both Trump and his supporters seem to be doing everything in their power to make it impossible for me to vote for the douche.
Whether it be hagiography about all of the things Trump will do, or the appeals to shut up and get behind their candidate, his supporters lose me. His attempts to reinforce my inclination to believe that he does not really have any bedrock values beyond winning (and this is something his supporters share in some cases) does not help the matter.
I would like to vote, but I will not vote for a guy I do not even have a fig leaf's of an idea will be better than the other douchenozzle.
The fact of the matter however, is that both Trump and his supporters seem to be doing everything in their power to make it impossible for me to vote for the douche.
Whether it be hagiography about all of the things Trump will do, or the appeals to shut up and get behind their candidate, his supporters lose me. His attempts to reinforce my inclination to believe that he does not really have any bedrock values beyond winning (and this is something his supporters share in some cases) does not help the matter.
I would like to vote, but I will not vote for a guy I do not even have a fig leaf's of an idea will be better than the other douchenozzle.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (3ZoRf)
744
Yes it's a long shot. There is no one else.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
There were several someone else's.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (3JA/M)
Were.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
There were several someone else's.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (3JA/M)
Were.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (uURQL)
745
@chemjeff
Is there something wrong with changing your position to pro-life? Millions of americans have from positions the held 17 years ago
@chemjeff
Is there something wrong with changing your position to pro-life? Millions of americans have from positions the held 17 years ago
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (lKyWE)
746
Third Party? Fuck that shit. I want a Second Party.
Posted by: mugiwara at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (D5hxK)
Same here. I was prepared not to vote for the Republican candidate. If it had been Jeb! or Mario, I wouldn't have. I'm considering voting for Trump. I probably won't, but I'm not entirely ruling it out yet.
Killing the current version of the Republican Party is an unmitigated good, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: mugiwara at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (D5hxK)
Same here. I was prepared not to vote for the Republican candidate. If it had been Jeb! or Mario, I wouldn't have. I'm considering voting for Trump. I probably won't, but I'm not entirely ruling it out yet.
Killing the current version of the Republican Party is an unmitigated good, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (TOk1P)
747
Well I am sure glad the principled conservatives here have pointed out that Trump is the ONLY one who ever changed his public opinion on Abortion.
Now I am sure to vote 3rd Party...Holy Cow did that shake my confidence. Wold be much better to have a principled candidate like hillary in the White Houe
Now I am sure to vote 3rd Party...Holy Cow did that shake my confidence. Wold be much better to have a principled candidate like hillary in the White Houe
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (V/InG)
748
what else we got?
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (mFkVC)
Pish posh. Those are all about his personality and aesthetics.
/sarc, in case it's needed
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:30 PM (mFkVC)
Pish posh. Those are all about his personality and aesthetics.
/sarc, in case it's needed
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 01:34 PM (FTIES)
749
341 ace, if you can't leave the blog for a vacation then just take a vacation from politics. Write about anything else. I'd welcome that vacation
Posted by: NCKate at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (4bHkw)
We'll assume you missed the Star Wars movie review t'other day.
Posted by: NCKate at May 05, 2016 12:43 PM (4bHkw)
We'll assume you missed the Star Wars movie review t'other day.
Posted by: RushBabe at May 05, 2016 01:34 PM (OuXal)
750
Bullshit.
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)
I dont know his son's life. Dont know how you do. Yes he has been hunting. I think he works for his dad. Get the feeling all the Trump kids have to work
but I dont know their life. Neither do you.
But this class envy is not appealing no matter who says it. Should Trump have to get rid of all his wealth? Perhaps not be allowed to employ his children? Maybe they should be sent to forced labor somewhere to get the important dirty finger nails
class envy
His son spends the majority of his time fishing and hunting on private ranches and lodges around the country/world.
His no gloss manicure has never seen a shovel or a pile of dirt.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (ZcEXv)
I dont know his son's life. Dont know how you do. Yes he has been hunting. I think he works for his dad. Get the feeling all the Trump kids have to work
but I dont know their life. Neither do you.
But this class envy is not appealing no matter who says it. Should Trump have to get rid of all his wealth? Perhaps not be allowed to employ his children? Maybe they should be sent to forced labor somewhere to get the important dirty finger nails
class envy
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (zOTsN)
751
The fact of the matter however, is that both Trump and his supporters seem to be doing everything in their power to make it impossible for me to vote for the douche.
"Seem" is projection.
The wounds from Cruz's failure are fresh. Let's revisit this a week before the election after Trump has humiliated Hillary for who she is.
"Seem" is projection.
The wounds from Cruz's failure are fresh. Let's revisit this a week before the election after Trump has humiliated Hillary for who she is.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (uURQL)
752
We'll assume you missed the Star Wars movie review t'other day.
Posted by: RushBabe at May 05, 2016 01:34 PM (OuXal)
I think they felt the spittle directed from out of their computers in Bangledesh.
Posted by: RushBabe at May 05, 2016 01:34 PM (OuXal)
I think they felt the spittle directed from out of their computers in Bangledesh.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (3ZoRf)
753
Maybe you should actually READ the 14th ... because
it gives Congress the power and responsibility to interpret and detail
the implementation of the 14th. This means that any suit should hinge
more on the laws that Congress passed about the 14th implementation and
it also means that any such implementation can be easily changed through
legislation.
Let me refresh your memory on how the 14th ends:
Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (zc3Db)
Get back to me when a law passed by Congress makes Cruz's analysis obsolete.
it gives Congress the power and responsibility to interpret and detail
the implementation of the 14th. This means that any suit should hinge
more on the laws that Congress passed about the 14th implementation and
it also means that any such implementation can be easily changed through
legislation.
Let me refresh your memory on how the 14th ends:
Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:31 PM (zc3Db)
Get back to me when a law passed by Congress makes Cruz's analysis obsolete.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (3JA/M)
754
"726 Yes it's a long shot. There is no one else.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
There were several someone else's."
I realized that Hillary would win when Rubio dropped out since Trump and Cruz were guaranteed to lose. The GOP had several candidates that could have won the GE, but the voters chose not to nominate one.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:24 PM (xuouz)
There were several someone else's."
I realized that Hillary would win when Rubio dropped out since Trump and Cruz were guaranteed to lose. The GOP had several candidates that could have won the GE, but the voters chose not to nominate one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (OD2ni)
755
The fact of the matter however, is that both Trump and his supporters seem to be doing everything in their power to make it impossible for me to vote for the douche.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (3ZoRf)
So don't vote for him.
Sheesh.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:33 PM (3ZoRf)
So don't vote for him.
Sheesh.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (zc3Db)
756
C'mon guys, lets all take a breath here. This thread is getting a bit out of hand.
The new Star Wars movie wasn't so bad.
The new Star Wars movie wasn't so bad.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 05, 2016 01:36 PM (uqt0L)
757
We also kinda got to see him....govern as a republican. So there's that.
Posted by: Blue Hen
he was OK. nothing to write home about. kinda dull witted. a drugstore conservative who couldn't explain conservatism. he seemed to act like a caricature of what a dem thought a republican was. adios mofos didn't send the maturbatin petes and charlie brown's dildos of the world to vulgarity fainting couch, so he had that going for him.
Posted by: Blue Hen
he was OK. nothing to write home about. kinda dull witted. a drugstore conservative who couldn't explain conservatism. he seemed to act like a caricature of what a dem thought a republican was. adios mofos didn't send the maturbatin petes and charlie brown's dildos of the world to vulgarity fainting couch, so he had that going for him.
Posted by: x at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (nFwvY)
758
I started this primary season ranking the candidates, Cruz, Rubio, Trump. I thought I would be OK voting for any of them. Carson was technically on the list, but I knew he wouldn't make it.
Rubio underperformed, but his small hands comment was golden enough to almost let me forgive him for the gang of 8. Cruz was a victim of his facial structure and the fact that reasoned arguments always get drowned out by jackasses with soundbites (see Ryan vs. Biden VP debate).
I figured I'd put in a protest vote. The people's republic of Washington is going to vote for the test-driver from the broomstick factory. However, I started to look into third party candidates, and I actually like Austin Petersen.
He's getting my vote.
Rubio underperformed, but his small hands comment was golden enough to almost let me forgive him for the gang of 8. Cruz was a victim of his facial structure and the fact that reasoned arguments always get drowned out by jackasses with soundbites (see Ryan vs. Biden VP debate).
I figured I'd put in a protest vote. The people's republic of Washington is going to vote for the test-driver from the broomstick factory. However, I started to look into third party candidates, and I actually like Austin Petersen.
He's getting my vote.
Posted by: Fizz at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (JlIMZ)
759
"Seem" is projection.
The wounds from Cruz's failure are fresh. Let's revisit this a week before the election after Trump has humiliated Hillary for who she is.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (uURQL)
No, "seems" is my perception. I could be wrong, have been before. Point being, the sales pitch is weak where it is directed towards me.
"Seem" is projection.
The wounds from Cruz's failure are fresh. Let's revisit this a week before the election after Trump has humiliated Hillary for who she is.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (uURQL)
No, "seems" is my perception. I could be wrong, have been before. Point being, the sales pitch is weak where it is directed towards me.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (3ZoRf)
760
Lots of libertarians understand that babies have rights too.
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that
abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views
on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the
matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious
consideration.
Nope. No baby rights.
Lots of libertarians understand that babies have rights too.
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that
abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views
on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the
matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious
consideration.
Nope. No baby rights.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (Gwldq)
761
Get back to me when a law passed by Congress makes Cruz's analysis obsolete.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (3JA/M)
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" made his argument silly, already.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (3JA/M)
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" made his argument silly, already.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (zc3Db)
762
I find it ironic how so much of the griping against Trump boils down to beta boys that don't like alpha personalities. All this talk about challenging the status quo and invoking the revolutionary spirit of the founding fathers in the same breath that you promote this idea of engaging in purely gentlemanly behavior where nobody can be allowed to get their feelings hurt, much less physically touched in some way.
Burning skulls and bleeding words over that made up Michelle Fields incident for instance. Ben Shapiro has turned into a total nut. I'm amazed by what a total blowhard that little man child is.
Burning skulls and bleeding words over that made up Michelle Fields incident for instance. Ben Shapiro has turned into a total nut. I'm amazed by what a total blowhard that little man child is.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (7AhYZ)
763
FNC reporting the TSA is hiring screeners for the summer rush. They'll be recruiting at the Home Depot parking lot between the hours of 10am - 2pm.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (Fmupd)
764
nor shall private property be taken for public use, WITHOUT just compensation."
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)
You use that word, but we do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted by: the dissenting Justices
I'm opposed to Kelo, but people here are saying "nobody should ever be forced to sell their home to the government" and I'm saying actually, that right is specifically granted in the Constitution.
Kelo was bullshit because it was about future tax revenue, but I'm saying that's a tiny issue and I honestly think Trump believes people are asking for his position on eminent domain in general.
Most charges against Trump are "he supports eminent domain!!!" Nobody brought up Kelo in this thread until it was stated eminent domain is in the Constitution.
I find Cruz's support of anchor babies more troubling than Trump's support of Kelo, yet I still would vote Cruz had he been the nominee.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (C6cBW)
You use that word, but we do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted by: the dissenting Justices
I'm opposed to Kelo, but people here are saying "nobody should ever be forced to sell their home to the government" and I'm saying actually, that right is specifically granted in the Constitution.
Kelo was bullshit because it was about future tax revenue, but I'm saying that's a tiny issue and I honestly think Trump believes people are asking for his position on eminent domain in general.
Most charges against Trump are "he supports eminent domain!!!" Nobody brought up Kelo in this thread until it was stated eminent domain is in the Constitution.
I find Cruz's support of anchor babies more troubling than Trump's support of Kelo, yet I still would vote Cruz had he been the nominee.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:38 PM (C6cBW)
765
Ryan will remain Speaker but will likely be the most powerful elected GOP in DC.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (GZ75p)
Oh, now, that's reassuring.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 01:27 PM (GZ75p)
Oh, now, that's reassuring.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 01:38 PM (u0lmX)
766
Watch the 2015 German Movie "Er ist wieder da!" (Look who's Back) on Netflix. It's a comedy with serious moments about what could happen if Hitler was transported to modern Berlin from the end of WWII. It's pretty funny (even with a nice homage to Downfall!) but has a serious side about the role of reality TV and celebrity in todays politics. He's taken for a street comedian and becomes a political player in short order. The actor who plays Hitler is really good showing his true talents for public reception but also the underlying evil. Only the aging holocaust survivor sees him for what he it. A big hit in Germany but shows how a demagogue can rise rapidly.
Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at May 05, 2016 01:38 PM (YZbBp)
767
The US government is pretty much already that boss, if only at a distance. Trump is simply making sure that that boss is now actually protective as well as directive.
I think this is Wishcasting of the first order. The blaqnk screen thing should bother me but I'm at the point where I have no real idea what is going to happen. My gut tells me that Trump is heading for a 40 state loss, but that may just be my dislike for him interfering with my judgment. My gut also tells me that if he manages to win, he will just be what he has always been, a Northeast Liberal but again, the data is just so fluxed I cannot really even argue this in a convincing matter so I'm going to quit trying.
My guy lost, this is the guy we got. Deus Vult.
I think this is Wishcasting of the first order. The blaqnk screen thing should bother me but I'm at the point where I have no real idea what is going to happen. My gut tells me that Trump is heading for a 40 state loss, but that may just be my dislike for him interfering with my judgment. My gut also tells me that if he manages to win, he will just be what he has always been, a Northeast Liberal but again, the data is just so fluxed I cannot really even argue this in a convincing matter so I'm going to quit trying.
My guy lost, this is the guy we got. Deus Vult.
Posted by: Grump928(C) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 01:38 PM (rwI+c)
768
Plank 3.4. Read it.
...
yes, the Libertarian Party is zealous open borders lunatics. They are. That's why I cannot be a part of them, and would never say the LP is where I'm voting.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (dciA+)
The trouble with Libertarianism is that you can't go down that path only part way, because if you do, it collapses in on itself. And full-on Libertarianism is just a long word for anarchy. (might a exagerated a bit. Not much.)
______________________
The real trouble with the Libertarian Party is that they adopted Progressive ideology thinking that it was classical liberalism. I personally think they are confused and misguided. I consider myself a libertarian, and when asked about "social issues" my response has always been that it is NOT something that any government can interfere with - period. In regard to borders the confusion is more apparent. In the libertarian statement of principles it explicitly states: " the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation." If this is a statement of their principles how can you also endorse people entering a country secretly/illegally which is the ultimate in "trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation"? You cannot maintain the security of a state nor protect against robbery, trespass, fraud and misrepresentation with an open borders policy. It is nonsensical.
...
yes, the Libertarian Party is zealous open borders lunatics. They are. That's why I cannot be a part of them, and would never say the LP is where I'm voting.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 12:21 PM (dciA+)
The trouble with Libertarianism is that you can't go down that path only part way, because if you do, it collapses in on itself. And full-on Libertarianism is just a long word for anarchy. (might a exagerated a bit. Not much.)
______________________
The real trouble with the Libertarian Party is that they adopted Progressive ideology thinking that it was classical liberalism. I personally think they are confused and misguided. I consider myself a libertarian, and when asked about "social issues" my response has always been that it is NOT something that any government can interfere with - period. In regard to borders the confusion is more apparent. In the libertarian statement of principles it explicitly states: " the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation." If this is a statement of their principles how can you also endorse people entering a country secretly/illegally which is the ultimate in "trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation"? You cannot maintain the security of a state nor protect against robbery, trespass, fraud and misrepresentation with an open borders policy. It is nonsensical.
Posted by: lightning at May 05, 2016 01:38 PM (AP+SF)
769
Trump on abortion, 1999:
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (dpnZC)
Not that chemjeff will listen, but this is a common path for many pro-lifers.
"Roe" of Roe vs. Wade was used to make abortion a "constitutional right" 40 years ago - but she's pro life now.
You need something more than, "you used to be pro-choice" to destroy a man's pro-life bonafides.
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (dpnZC)
Not that chemjeff will listen, but this is a common path for many pro-lifers.
"Roe" of Roe vs. Wade was used to make abortion a "constitutional right" 40 years ago - but she's pro life now.
You need something more than, "you used to be pro-choice" to destroy a man's pro-life bonafides.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (uURQL)
770
The wounds from Cruz's failure are fresh. Let's
revisit this a week before the election after Trump has humiliated
Hillary for who she is.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (uURQL)
This is not about Cruz... yes he is the closest avatar that we have for Constitutional conservatism but it is not about him personally. It is about understand that we are on the edge of a precipice, that if we go one inch further the Republic and the notion of respect for our inalienable rights are dead and that both Trump and Hillary have the car in drive and are ready to stomp on the gas.
revisit this a week before the election after Trump has humiliated
Hillary for who she is.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:35 PM (uURQL)
This is not about Cruz... yes he is the closest avatar that we have for Constitutional conservatism but it is not about him personally. It is about understand that we are on the edge of a precipice, that if we go one inch further the Republic and the notion of respect for our inalienable rights are dead and that both Trump and Hillary have the car in drive and are ready to stomp on the gas.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (3JA/M)
771
Not the Libertarian Party, honey, they're in favour of abortion on demand even if they won't force you to have an abortion if you don't want one.
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
If you want to read more, I suggest the LP Chair item on AZ's abortion law (about link three).
https://www.lp.org/search/node/abortion
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
If you want to read more, I suggest the LP Chair item on AZ's abortion law (about link three).
https://www.lp.org/search/node/abortion
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (f4AGl)
772
Trump has been going to blow up since he got in first week....second week last month ....last week... and he is still kicking asses all over the political landscape....just when he is putting it all together Ben Sasse R NE and few other morons suggest third party....burn it down just so Trump doesnt get in....give it to Hillary instead.....go the hell ahead.....Trump will get the disaffected Bernie fans after Bernie gets screwed by Hillary...... and the Republican bible toters who havent won an election for POTUS in a decade will show that the American Taliban can destroy itself quicker than the Muslim one......Planned parenthood will not be defunded...are the toters going to suddenly adopt that influx of black babies from the inner cities????....no they are not ...they dont now and they wont if PP is gone....the best that can be said is abortions can be limited......planned parenthood is a staple of big city healthcare and contraception.....Americans want America First and the rest pay their own way....Go third party...... the two party system is merely globalist oligarchs hiring cheap labor within and without to enrich Wall Street and Corpoarte Crony Captialist Execs....I for one hope the FBI stands down until Donald Trump drags all the Clinton baggage before the American people Like Rafael Cruz link to Bush CIA and New Orleans.....prosecute the crook in public because she will never be convicted by those she has the dirt on in DC.....THEY ARE ALL CROOKS....EXTORTION.... its a book read it...
Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (6WPRH)
773
Lot's of agonizing over who to vote for.
You'll worry less, once you figure out voting won't fix any of this, or stop what's coming.
You'll worry less, once you figure out voting won't fix any of this, or stop what's coming.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (8v0G6)
774
You need something more than, "you used to be pro-choice" to destroy a man's pro-life bonafides.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (uURQL)
Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (uURQL)
Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)
775
George the idiot Bush destroyed the republican brand and the conservative brand. He expanded government, spent us into a oblivion, was mostly incompetent in prosecuting two wars, and gave us 4D chess master John Roberts who went more liberal than even Kennedey on deciding Obamacare.
I wish the never trumper hypocrites had opened their mouths when George the idiot Bush, Hastert, Bohener, and McConnel were destroying conservatism. That is what lead to Trump.
The never trumpers sound like loser cry babies. Adults don't take their ball and go home. Trump wasn't your guy? Too bad. Grow a pair, get the republicans to behave responsibly and you can do better next time.
Romney wasn't my guy either, but ya know what, I voted for the ass hole to save us from Obama, which by the way all the never trumpers commanded us to do as well.
Hillary is 100% guaranteed to put a communist on the supreme court. 100%!
Do you honestly believe Trump, who talks to Jeff Sessions regularly, is also 100% guaranteed to put a communist on the court?
Really never trumpers!?
Even if he is 50% likely to, that is still reason enough to vote for him. At least there is a chance.
I wish the never trumper hypocrites had opened their mouths when George the idiot Bush, Hastert, Bohener, and McConnel were destroying conservatism. That is what lead to Trump.
The never trumpers sound like loser cry babies. Adults don't take their ball and go home. Trump wasn't your guy? Too bad. Grow a pair, get the republicans to behave responsibly and you can do better next time.
Romney wasn't my guy either, but ya know what, I voted for the ass hole to save us from Obama, which by the way all the never trumpers commanded us to do as well.
Hillary is 100% guaranteed to put a communist on the supreme court. 100%!
Do you honestly believe Trump, who talks to Jeff Sessions regularly, is also 100% guaranteed to put a communist on the court?
Really never trumpers!?
Even if he is 50% likely to, that is still reason enough to vote for him. At least there is a chance.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:41 PM (NAv1Q)
776
You'll worry less, once you figure out voting won't fix any of this, or stop what's coming.
Aye, the maths.
Aye, the maths.
Posted by: Grump928(C) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 01:41 PM (rwI+c)
777
763 FNC reporting the TSA is hiring screeners for the summer rush. They'll be recruiting at the Home Depot parking lot between the hours of 10am - 2pm.
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (Fmupd)
Wait, isn't that when the day laborers are on lunch? They'll just get the people who are looking for a toilet plunger or the guys looking for that frickin' english wrench (and why what the hell when everything else on the machine is metric?)
Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (Fmupd)
Wait, isn't that when the day laborers are on lunch? They'll just get the people who are looking for a toilet plunger or the guys looking for that frickin' english wrench (and why what the hell when everything else on the machine is metric?)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (3ZoRf)
778
Sure does suk for all of the " smartest people in the room" when pickup truck driving, gun rack loving, bass fishing Americans line up at the polling places with suburban middle class voters and vote for a jobs creator WASP who actually agrees with with them on what's wrong with this country. We are the stupid ones? D Trump is the only candidate this cycle who can and will vanquish the HILL de Beest!
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (vVE0M)
779
Not the Libertarian Party, honey, they're in favour of abortion on demand even if they won't force you to have an abortion if you don't want one.
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can
hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be
kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their
conscientious consideration.
If you want to read more, I suggest the LP Chair item on AZ's abortion law (about link three).
https://www.lp.org/search/node/abortion
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (f4AGl)
The Libertarian Party is not libertarians... sweetums.
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can
hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be
kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their
conscientious consideration.
If you want to read more, I suggest the LP Chair item on AZ's abortion law (about link three).
https://www.lp.org/search/node/abortion
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:39 PM (f4AGl)
The Libertarian Party is not libertarians... sweetums.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (3JA/M)
780
If a President Trump nominated Ted Cruz for the Supreme Court does anybody really think the Senate would confirm him?
Yep, gets him out of their hair doing a job they wont.
Yep, gets him out of their hair doing a job they wont.
Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (DL2i+)
781
No, "seems" is my perception. I could be wrong, have been before. Point being, the sales pitch is weak where it is directed towards me.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (3ZoRf)
Projection means your internal biases filter your perception to the point where you no longer perceive reality and make statements contradicting reality.
You haven't contradicted me, and I'm not pushing anyone away from voting Trump.
He's a winner, he's earned my vote, he's earned the GOP nom, and he has a few months to earn your vote too.
He might not. No hard feelings.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 05, 2016 01:37 PM (3ZoRf)
Projection means your internal biases filter your perception to the point where you no longer perceive reality and make statements contradicting reality.
You haven't contradicted me, and I'm not pushing anyone away from voting Trump.
He's a winner, he's earned my vote, he's earned the GOP nom, and he has a few months to earn your vote too.
He might not. No hard feelings.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (uURQL)
782
Trump on abortion, 1999:
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (dpnZC)
I know I feel exactly the same way about everything that I did 17 years ago.
" I am pro-choice in every respect"
Trump on abortion, 2016:
"Let me be clear - I am pro-life."
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 01:28 PM (dpnZC)
I know I feel exactly the same way about everything that I did 17 years ago.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:43 PM (xuouz)
783
We are the stupid ones? D Trump is the only candidate this cycle who can and will vanquish the HILL de Beest!
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (vVE0M)
Who cares if he could? I don't want him as president any more than I want her.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:42 PM (vVE0M)
Who cares if he could? I don't want him as president any more than I want her.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:43 PM (3JA/M)
784
598 Hillary will win 45+ states. But all you precious principled moral voters will be able to feel good about yourselves. I do ask however that for the next 8 years none of you bitch or complain about anything. You broke it, you own it. No bitching allowed."
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
----------------
Yes, Hillary will beat Trump in a landslide. I (and many others) have been saying that for months.
But all you precious Trump voters wanted to feeeel good about....whatever.
So now you have your darling nominee and immediately you are blaming US for the reality we've been trying to make you see?
No bitching, Moo. YOU broke it. YOU own it.
(BTW, presidential terms are for 4 years, not 8.)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
----------------
Yes, Hillary will beat Trump in a landslide. I (and many others) have been saying that for months.
But all you precious Trump voters wanted to feeeel good about....whatever.
So now you have your darling nominee and immediately you are blaming US for the reality we've been trying to make you see?
No bitching, Moo. YOU broke it. YOU own it.
(BTW, presidential terms are for 4 years, not 8.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 01:43 PM (T/5A0)
785
and of course there's an unannounced snood.
Posted by: Grump928(C) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 01:44 PM (rwI+c)
786
Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)
Man has some faithful enemies. First Google result on PP + Trump
Planned Parenthood Bashes Donald Trump: "Disgusting" That "He Wants Abortion Outlawed"
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)
Man has some faithful enemies. First Google result on PP + Trump
Planned Parenthood Bashes Donald Trump: "Disgusting" That "He Wants Abortion Outlawed"
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:44 PM (uURQL)
787
The real problem I think is that the Republican party is heavily populated with progressives. They are more commonly called RINO's or establishment but in truth they are progressives. This is why the republican congress by and large supports the progressives on the left. There is no difference other than democrats will admit that they are "progressive". As Ace points out the progressives are all about rule by the elite class and laws which benefit the elite. Republican progressives agree with this but won't admit it because they know that acknowledgement would kill the Republican Party.
Posted by: lightning at May 05, 2016 01:44 PM (AP+SF)
788
782
Trump is 69. You're... early 20s, right? Conversion late in life is rare, and usually has a credible narrative. Trump has converted on almost every issue for no reason other then "I want the GOP nomination."
Trump is 69. You're... early 20s, right? Conversion late in life is rare, and usually has a credible narrative. Trump has converted on almost every issue for no reason other then "I want the GOP nomination."
Posted by: person at May 05, 2016 01:45 PM (mFkVC)
789
>>the 2015 German Movie "Er ist wieder da!" (Look who's Back) on Netflix.
I saw the trailers on Youtube, didn't know it was out on netflix. Ausgezeichnet! Should be really good.
I saw the trailers on Youtube, didn't know it was out on netflix. Ausgezeichnet! Should be really good.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 01:45 PM (Bdeb0)
790
Trump made his fortune in the hospitality business but he's a freakin authoritarian monster?
Trump made his fortune in the hospitality business but he's a freakin authoritarian monster?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:45 PM (lKyWE)
791
FYI, telling trump supporters, YOU OWN IT etc, will have zero impact ever. If he loses, they still achieved their goal of harming the republican party and sending a message to get it together, or else they will do it again next time with another trump like candidate.
Focus your anger on the idiot republicans who got us here. Had George the idiot bush and the republicans secured the border in 2002, then Trump wouldn't have gotten off the fucking ground!
Shape up republicans and Trump will be a one off. If not, someone else like him will come again and again and again.
Focus your anger on the idiot republicans who got us here. Had George the idiot bush and the republicans secured the border in 2002, then Trump wouldn't have gotten off the fucking ground!
Shape up republicans and Trump will be a one off. If not, someone else like him will come again and again and again.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (NAv1Q)
792
Because you don't think he's as smart as you? He
hasn't read as many political theory books, he doesn't sing that
sophisticated talk radio song that you're used to? That's really all I
can figure. It really just is about style over substance.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (7AhYZ)
He isn't as smart as the average special ed student. He hasn't ready ANY political theory books, or ANY FUCKING BOOKS AT ALL for that matter. This is the most appallingly ignorant fool to ever run for national office. He's dumber than Biden, and I didn't think that was possible. I don't give a shit about what college anybody went to or whether they even went to college. But I don't think it's unreasonable to demand that somebody who wants my vote have at least some very basic, cursory knowledge of economics, the Constitution, the rule of law, history, and foreign policy.
Just one example: the orange clown says he can lower the national debt by cutting waste and fraud (an idea stolen directly from Batthouse Barry, BTW) and claims we can save more money by cutting waste in a single government program than the entire budget for that program. There's either something very fucked up in his brain or he's lying to whip up his mob of shrieking paranoid cultists. Either way, this is not a man who is fit for the office.
hasn't read as many political theory books, he doesn't sing that
sophisticated talk radio song that you're used to? That's really all I
can figure. It really just is about style over substance.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:18 PM (7AhYZ)
He isn't as smart as the average special ed student. He hasn't ready ANY political theory books, or ANY FUCKING BOOKS AT ALL for that matter. This is the most appallingly ignorant fool to ever run for national office. He's dumber than Biden, and I didn't think that was possible. I don't give a shit about what college anybody went to or whether they even went to college. But I don't think it's unreasonable to demand that somebody who wants my vote have at least some very basic, cursory knowledge of economics, the Constitution, the rule of law, history, and foreign policy.
Just one example: the orange clown says he can lower the national debt by cutting waste and fraud (an idea stolen directly from Batthouse Barry, BTW) and claims we can save more money by cutting waste in a single government program than the entire budget for that program. There's either something very fucked up in his brain or he's lying to whip up his mob of shrieking paranoid cultists. Either way, this is not a man who is fit for the office.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (ztrrs)
793
The Libertarian Party is not libertarians... sweetums.
Posted by: redbanzai
If you vote for a Libertarian candidate that supports the platform, you're supporting someone that is pro-choice. Period.
Gary Johnson is pro-choice.
I guess the abortion issue really was never all that important to these people that claim it was a hill to die on and important to them because of their faith because they now have ZERO problem voting for pro-choice candidates if it soothes their bruised egos.
Posted by: redbanzai
If you vote for a Libertarian candidate that supports the platform, you're supporting someone that is pro-choice. Period.
Gary Johnson is pro-choice.
I guess the abortion issue really was never all that important to these people that claim it was a hill to die on and important to them because of their faith because they now have ZERO problem voting for pro-choice candidates if it soothes their bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (C6cBW)
794
Is Trump actually alt-right?
OK, anti-illegal immigration, but that's almost everyone on the right and some on the left. He's populist, but that doesn't make him alt-right.
OK, anti-illegal immigration, but that's almost everyone on the right and some on the left. He's populist, but that doesn't make him alt-right.
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at May 05, 2016 01:48 PM (XZWie)
795
Nood (quite a while ago)!
That, BTW, is when you announce "nood" if you're reading, V the K new guy #NeverTrumper, not in the first comment of the nood thread.
That, BTW, is when you announce "nood" if you're reading, V the K new guy #NeverTrumper, not in the first comment of the nood thread.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (f4AGl)
796
Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP. Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)
Abortion is not a presidential issue,but by all means try making it one,democrats will love you for it
Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP. Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)
Abortion is not a presidential issue,but by all means try making it one,democrats will love you for it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (lKyWE)
797
The 1st and 2d amendments are dying soon.
Enjoy 'em while you got 'em.
RIP Scalia
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (g8Hfr)
---
Easier said than done.
Going to have to forcibly make take my guns away. Don't think it will turn out well for all parties involved, but it is what it is.
NY and Conn pretty much flipped the bird in regard to registering or turning in weapons. What was it, only 25% compliance?
Nationwide? Yeah, don't see it happening, but if it does, we truly will look upon today as part of the good 'ol days.
Pretty sure I have a lot of agreement from fellow Texans.
Enjoy 'em while you got 'em.
RIP Scalia
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 01:25 PM (g8Hfr)
---
Easier said than done.
Going to have to forcibly make take my guns away. Don't think it will turn out well for all parties involved, but it is what it is.
NY and Conn pretty much flipped the bird in regard to registering or turning in weapons. What was it, only 25% compliance?
Nationwide? Yeah, don't see it happening, but if it does, we truly will look upon today as part of the good 'ol days.
Pretty sure I have a lot of agreement from fellow Texans.
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (rlfds)
798
All the republicans had to do was secure the border after 9/11! After 9/11 for the love of god!
Instead that idiot bush flew the Saudis out of town lol.
I guarantee you had the border been secured, Trump wouldn't have had an opening at all, and we would be debating Cruz vs. Rubio right now.
Blame the republicans. They caused it.
Instead that idiot bush flew the Saudis out of town lol.
I guarantee you had the border been secured, Trump wouldn't have had an opening at all, and we would be debating Cruz vs. Rubio right now.
Blame the republicans. They caused it.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:50 PM (NAv1Q)
799
If you vote for a Libertarian candidate that supports the platform, you're supporting someone that is pro-choice. Period.
Gary Johnson is pro-choice.
I guess the abortion issue really was never all that important to
these people that claim it was a hill to die on and important to them
because of their faith because they now have ZERO problem voting for
pro-choice candidates if it soothes their bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (C6cBW)
I don't recall any pro-life person here saying they were voting for an anti-life candidate.
Gary Johnson is pro-choice.
I guess the abortion issue really was never all that important to
these people that claim it was a hill to die on and important to them
because of their faith because they now have ZERO problem voting for
pro-choice candidates if it soothes their bruised egos.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (C6cBW)
I don't recall any pro-life person here saying they were voting for an anti-life candidate.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:50 PM (3JA/M)
800
"You need something more than, 'you used to be pro-choice' to destroy a man's pro-life bonafides."
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens
-----------
The burden is on the person who has expressed two contradictory positions to prove which one he really believes. Could Trump be pro-life? Sure. But I'm going to need to see evidence of that beyond a statement.
And when someone has expressed a position I don't like in the past, but claims to have changed his mind, I need solid proof that he means it now, because there's a good chance he'll flip back.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens
-----------
The burden is on the person who has expressed two contradictory positions to prove which one he really believes. Could Trump be pro-life? Sure. But I'm going to need to see evidence of that beyond a statement.
And when someone has expressed a position I don't like in the past, but claims to have changed his mind, I need solid proof that he means it now, because there's a good chance he'll flip back.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 01:50 PM (A6sW3)
801
I have many friends who happen to be urban African Americans , around 40%+/-of them support Trump. They say that ILLEGAL Aliens have stolen 7 million jobs from the AA community and anyone who is OK with that are the REAL racists. Trump will get a minimum of 20% of the AA vote in November and that will lead to a Trump landslide.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:50 PM (vVE0M)
802
Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP. Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M)
Abortion is not a presidential issue,but by all means try making it one,democrats will love you for it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (lKyWE)
I agree that abortion should not be a federal issue... unfortunately for you and me the SC disagreed. Until that decision is changed, this will be an issue in federal elections.
Abortion is not a presidential issue,but by all means try making it one,democrats will love you for it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (lKyWE)
I agree that abortion should not be a federal issue... unfortunately for you and me the SC disagreed. Until that decision is changed, this will be an issue in federal elections.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:52 PM (3JA/M)
803
I give two fucks about Trump! What this election has shown me is that there are quite a few sloppy, bleeding cunts on our side! I won't associate myself with known gaping pussies. This shit is getting pathetic fast.
Posted by: #1Lurker at May 05, 2016 01:53 PM (DwSOB)
804
>>Trump made his fortune in the hospitality business but he's a freakin authoritarian monster?
Leona Helmsley likes this Post.
Leona Helmsley likes this Post.
Posted by: garrett at May 05, 2016 01:54 PM (ZcEXv)
805
The burden is on the person who has expressed two contradictory positions to prove which one he really believes. Could Trump be pro-life? Sure. But I'm going to need to see evidence of that beyond a statement.
... Prove?
This isn't a court of law, bud.
The only thing you need to do in the court of public opinion is to take a stance and to keep taking it.
So has Trump been flacked for his pro-life views, and has he changed his stance after taking flack?
... Prove?
This isn't a court of law, bud.
The only thing you need to do in the court of public opinion is to take a stance and to keep taking it.
So has Trump been flacked for his pro-life views, and has he changed his stance after taking flack?
Posted by: Ebola Virus at May 05, 2016 01:54 PM (uURQL)
806
I need solid proof that he means it now, because there's a good chance he'll flip back.
I was pro-choice until my first child was born,i quickly became pro-life its not something you flip back on.
I need solid proof that he means it now, because there's a good chance he'll flip back.
I was pro-choice until my first child was born,i quickly became pro-life its not something you flip back on.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:54 PM (lKyWE)
807
sock off.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:55 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 01:55 PM (Bdeb0)
809
Has Donald ever explained why he dined with Jeffery Epstein and flew in his plane?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:55 PM (2PHKP)
810
I agree that abortion should not be a federal issue... unfortunately for you and me the SC disagreed. Until that decision is changed, this will be an issue in federal elections
.
Posted by: redbanzai
Then I guess your obligated to support the only person running that at least says he's pro-life and has also said he will appoint judges in the mould of Scalia.
We know who the Clintons will appoint.
.
Posted by: redbanzai
Then I guess your obligated to support the only person running that at least says he's pro-life and has also said he will appoint judges in the mould of Scalia.
We know who the Clintons will appoint.
Posted by: Lambo at May 05, 2016 01:55 PM (C6cBW)
811
So I go to Trump's site and look at his health care plan. And I look at his tax plan, (namely, corporate). And I read his shit on regulations. And on the 2nd amendment. As a hard working fella who owns 3 companies and has around 45 employees (where taxes and health care and regulations are kicking my ass), Trump is talking to me, and fucking Hillary isn't saying shit to me but fuck you. And if she pulls in Elizabeth Fucking Warren for VP, that's two witch-like middle fingers aimed straight in my fucking face.
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off. Just sayin'.
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (Z/diL)
812
SMFH ... You've also got agreement from a ton of Hoosiers.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (8v0G6)
813
The lying criminal Progressive Racist Hillary KKKlinton belives that "the only good black baby is an aborted black baby" prverably late term, so as the make skin cream out of the sold off parts.
Posted by: blogforce one at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (vVE0M)
814
I know I am late to this thread, but Amen to everything Ace said.
Posted by: NC at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (/KrYu)
815
"Had George the idiot bush and the republicans
secured the border in 2002, then Trump wouldn't have gotten off the
fucking ground!"
I actually agree with this 100%. In the aftermath of 9/11 we actually could have done that with massive public support and it would have done more to make the country safe than the DHS, TSA, and the deceitfully-euphemized "Patriot act" could accomplish in a million years.
"Shape up republicans and Trump will be a one off.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (NAv1Q)"
I don't know about that. I think his nomination will embolden more paranoid crackpots and loons to sharpen their demagoguery skills and crawl out from under their rocks.
secured the border in 2002, then Trump wouldn't have gotten off the
fucking ground!"
I actually agree with this 100%. In the aftermath of 9/11 we actually could have done that with massive public support and it would have done more to make the country safe than the DHS, TSA, and the deceitfully-euphemized "Patriot act" could accomplish in a million years.
"Shape up republicans and Trump will be a one off.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:47 PM (NAv1Q)"
I don't know about that. I think his nomination will embolden more paranoid crackpots and loons to sharpen their demagoguery skills and crawl out from under their rocks.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (ztrrs)
816
That really sounds like he's working for Hillary doesn't it?
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (f4AGl)
So anything he has said..any positions he has advocated for, in the last 26 years are indicative of his current beliefs and values?
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 01:23 PM (f4AGl)
So anything he has said..any positions he has advocated for, in the last 26 years are indicative of his current beliefs and values?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (aRUb8)
817
775---I wish the never trumper hypocrites had opened their mouths when George the idiot Bush, Hastert, Bohener, and McConnel were destroying conservatism. That is what lead to Trump.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:41 PM (NAv1Q)
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LOL!
You haven't been around here much have you?
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at May 05, 2016 01:41 PM (NAv1Q)
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LOL!
You haven't been around here much have you?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (EBY2U)
819
Wounds will heal and people will come around I think.
I think the die-hards overanalyze Trump. That's what they always do. We're used to this intricate conservative sophistry, books and think tanks, listening to talk radio for decades. Trump's just a guy. A wealthy and successful guy. A guy, who like all of us, is pissed off about what's going on. It really isn't much more complicated than that.
He's not a trained debater like Cruz. He's not a trained talker like any of these attorneys or career pols. No, he hasn't spent decades reading history books and political theory books. Right about all that. Despite his celebrity and success, he's really just a regular guy, and that's why he's popular. He doesn't prepare speeches, he gets up there and bumbles around, mostly just ranting and talking smack. We could do a lot worse than Trump. In my ideal world he's not who I'd pick, but can't please everybody. I wish we could ban all pols from politics and just let regular people run the show.
Trump may not understand the deep conservative philosophy and theory, but I think he will approach things in a practical way. We have practical money problems right now and I think he does understand that. We have practical immigration problems and I think he does understand that. We have practical military and foreign affair problems, and I think he understands that too...
This fantasy of hoping for some kind of sea change where suddenly the country joins the church of conservatism and starts quoting Jefferson and Payne is a fucking pipe dream. Get real yo.
We can give Trump a chance, or go with a hard-leftist zealot in Hillary that wants to cock block the whole country and set it on feminist fire. I'm voting for Trump. No hesitation.
In my view Trump has already done a lot of good in damaging the GOP plutocracy.
peace out
I think the die-hards overanalyze Trump. That's what they always do. We're used to this intricate conservative sophistry, books and think tanks, listening to talk radio for decades. Trump's just a guy. A wealthy and successful guy. A guy, who like all of us, is pissed off about what's going on. It really isn't much more complicated than that.
He's not a trained debater like Cruz. He's not a trained talker like any of these attorneys or career pols. No, he hasn't spent decades reading history books and political theory books. Right about all that. Despite his celebrity and success, he's really just a regular guy, and that's why he's popular. He doesn't prepare speeches, he gets up there and bumbles around, mostly just ranting and talking smack. We could do a lot worse than Trump. In my ideal world he's not who I'd pick, but can't please everybody. I wish we could ban all pols from politics and just let regular people run the show.
Trump may not understand the deep conservative philosophy and theory, but I think he will approach things in a practical way. We have practical money problems right now and I think he does understand that. We have practical immigration problems and I think he does understand that. We have practical military and foreign affair problems, and I think he understands that too...
This fantasy of hoping for some kind of sea change where suddenly the country joins the church of conservatism and starts quoting Jefferson and Payne is a fucking pipe dream. Get real yo.
We can give Trump a chance, or go with a hard-leftist zealot in Hillary that wants to cock block the whole country and set it on feminist fire. I'm voting for Trump. No hesitation.
In my view Trump has already done a lot of good in damaging the GOP plutocracy.
peace out
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (7AhYZ)
820
Trump is willing to call up companies and tell them where to put production facilities.
Democrats are willing to force Boeing to not move plants to non-union states.
Both are statist and authoritarian, telling me who I can and cannot buy labor from.
Trump supporters may like forcing manufacturers to stay in the USA, but its still a statist and authoritarian impulse.
Same as if California banned companies from moving to Texas. It would be outrageous.
Democrats are willing to force Boeing to not move plants to non-union states.
Both are statist and authoritarian, telling me who I can and cannot buy labor from.
Trump supporters may like forcing manufacturers to stay in the USA, but its still a statist and authoritarian impulse.
Same as if California banned companies from moving to Texas. It would be outrageous.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (UBBWX)
821
Aw...(patting your head)....you're just butt hurt. You'll learn to love master's gentle stroke. - Trumpkin
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 01:58 PM (2PHKP)
822
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (Z/diL)
Bear in mind a lot of it is posturing.
So let them run their mouths. We know our values, our priorities, and the choice is clear.
Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (Z/diL)
Bear in mind a lot of it is posturing.
So let them run their mouths. We know our values, our priorities, and the choice is clear.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:58 PM (uURQL)
823
"Trump may not understand the deep conservative philosophy and theory, but I think he will approach things in a practical way. We have practical money problems right now and I think he does understand that. We have practical immigration problems and I think he does understand that. We have practical military and foreign affair problems, and I think he understands that too..."
Trump is not practical. Our money problems all come from entitlements, which he has said he will not touch.
Trump is not practical. Our money problems all come from entitlements, which he has said he will not touch.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:00 PM (UBBWX)
824
803
I give two fucks about Trump! t.
Posted by: #1Lurker at May 05, 2016 01:53 PM (DwSOB)
So who is your choice, and who was your choice?
I give two fucks about Trump! t.
Posted by: #1Lurker at May 05, 2016 01:53 PM (DwSOB)
So who is your choice, and who was your choice?
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (aRUb8)
825
From the point of ideals i love the libertarian party. It's the practice that worries me. Contrary to popular belief libertarianism isn't anarchy. It's just functioning with the bare minimum of rules and laws as possible. That means in order to function best it needs a self-reliant and responsible populace.
It's pretty safe to do we don't have a majority of people that fit that description in this country.
It's pretty safe to do we don't have a majority of people that fit that description in this country.
Posted by: adampm at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (6ZnC5)
826
"Pro life people do not support baby-murdering PP. Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 01:40 PM (3JA/M) "
Still considering the Libertarian party then????
Still considering the Libertarian party then????
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (EBY2U)
827
822
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about
pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (Z/diL)
Bear in mind a lot of it is posturing.
So let them run their mouths. We know our values, our priorities, and the choice is clear.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:58 PM (uURQL)
Condescension. It's what's for dinner.
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about
pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 05, 2016 01:56 PM (Z/diL)
Bear in mind a lot of it is posturing.
So let them run their mouths. We know our values, our priorities, and the choice is clear.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 01:58 PM (uURQL)
Condescension. It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (2PHKP)
828
Abortion is not a presidential issue,but by all means try making it one,democrats will love you for it
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (lKyWE)
Your logic is flawed.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:49 PM (lKyWE)
Your logic is flawed.
Posted by: Mimzey at May 05, 2016 02:02 PM (aRUb8)
829
>>Our money problems all come from entitlements, which he has said he will not touch.
In this, he's in good (or, rather, bad) company.
In this, he's in good (or, rather, bad) company.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:03 PM (Bdeb0)
830
> He isn't as smart as the average special ed student. He hasn't ready ANY political theory books, or ANY FUCKING BOOKS AT ALL for that matter. This is the most appallingly ignorant fool to ever run for national office.
And yet you're here on this blog ranting while he started a multibillion dollar organization. He ran for POTUS and has won the nomination. He beat your boy Cruz despite all the books Cruz has read. He proved all the pundits wrong despite all the books they've collectively read, despite all the degrees they've collectively earned. That guy who's dumber than the average special ed student. That must really suck.
And yet you're here on this blog ranting while he started a multibillion dollar organization. He ran for POTUS and has won the nomination. He beat your boy Cruz despite all the books Cruz has read. He proved all the pundits wrong despite all the books they've collectively read, despite all the degrees they've collectively earned. That guy who's dumber than the average special ed student. That must really suck.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 02:03 PM (7AhYZ)
831
So I go to Trump's site and look at his health care plan. And I look at his tax plan, (namely, corporate). And I read his shit on regulations. And on the 2nd amendment.
It would be nice if Trump did likewise.
It would be nice if Trump did likewise.
Posted by: Grump928(C) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 02:04 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 02:05 PM (lKyWE)
833
> Trump is not practical. Our money problems all come from entitlements, which he has said he will not touch.
This back and forth is tiresome, but that isn't true at all. He has said he would touch them, but what he's not doing is the time honored mistake of scaring seniors. He has been explicit though that he is going to cut the hell out of pretty much everything that needs cutting. And entitlements aren't the only problem either, far from.
This back and forth is tiresome, but that isn't true at all. He has said he would touch them, but what he's not doing is the time honored mistake of scaring seniors. He has been explicit though that he is going to cut the hell out of pretty much everything that needs cutting. And entitlements aren't the only problem either, far from.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 02:05 PM (7AhYZ)
834
>>That guy who's dumber than the average special ed student. That must really suck.
A lot of mileage to be gained out of this in both 2000 and 2004. "You ran your geniuses, and we ran our C student, and we beat you both times."
A lot of mileage to be gained out of this in both 2000 and 2004. "You ran your geniuses, and we ran our C student, and we beat you both times."
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:06 PM (Bdeb0)
835
Trump supporters may like forcing manufacturers to stay in the USA, but its still a statist and authoritarian impulse.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (UBBWX)
Tariffs are neither statist nor authoritarian. They are important tools of government and serve to define the economic borders of the nation. Tariffs were the traditional funders of government - back before the introduction of the personal income tax and the feral government's launch into 4th amendment violations of every manner and sort in order to squeeze money out of individual AMericans in order to make up for the reductions of tariffs to foreign entities.
Americans should have a distinct advantage in America and American companies should also have a distinct advantage. That is part of the point of being a citizen.
There is nothing statist or authoritarian about these positions. They are part of the natural responsibility of the government (any reasonable government).
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 01:57 PM (UBBWX)
Tariffs are neither statist nor authoritarian. They are important tools of government and serve to define the economic borders of the nation. Tariffs were the traditional funders of government - back before the introduction of the personal income tax and the feral government's launch into 4th amendment violations of every manner and sort in order to squeeze money out of individual AMericans in order to make up for the reductions of tariffs to foreign entities.
Americans should have a distinct advantage in America and American companies should also have a distinct advantage. That is part of the point of being a citizen.
There is nothing statist or authoritarian about these positions. They are part of the natural responsibility of the government (any reasonable government).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 05, 2016 02:06 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 02:07 PM (/25gg)
837
Steven Mnuchin, Chairman and CEO of private investment firm Dune Capital Management LP named Trump's national Finance director.
Goldman Sachs flunky. George Soros fan. Donated to Obama and Hillary.
Keep collecting those conservative bonafides, Trump.
Goldman Sachs flunky. George Soros fan. Donated to Obama and Hillary.
Keep collecting those conservative bonafides, Trump.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:08 PM (2PHKP)
838
He hasn't ready ANY political theory books, or ANY FUCKING BOOKS AT ALL for that matter
He did write one so i imagine he read it.
He hasn't ready ANY political theory books, or ANY FUCKING BOOKS AT ALL for that matter
He did write one so i imagine he read it.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 02:08 PM (lKyWE)
839
811 So I go to Trump's site and look at his health care plan. And I look at his tax plan, (namely, corporate). And I read his shit on regulations. And on the 2nd amendment. As a hard working fella who owns 3 companies and has around 45 employees (where taxes and health care and regulations are kicking my ass), Trump is talking to me, and fucking Hillary isn't saying shit to me but fuck you. And if she pulls in Elizabeth Fucking Warren for VP, that's two witch-like middle fingers aimed straight in my fucking face.
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off. Just sayin'.
__________
She scares the crap out of me. Just yesterday I was talking with significant other and said, "Hillary will not be any worse than Obama". OMG. I think that the best way to get folks to support Trump against her isn't just to call names and say Cruz sucks, but rather point out what she will do that is so bad. I actually believe that she will (within the first term) pass an identical law regarding guns that was passed when Bill was in office AND a gun registry. She will also expand the programs (Fannie Freddie home loans for deadbeats) that caused the prior economic disaster.
So when I see mugs in this forum (including it's leader) talk about pulling a lever for Hillary because F Trump!, I get a little pissed off. Just sayin'.
__________
She scares the crap out of me. Just yesterday I was talking with significant other and said, "Hillary will not be any worse than Obama". OMG. I think that the best way to get folks to support Trump against her isn't just to call names and say Cruz sucks, but rather point out what she will do that is so bad. I actually believe that she will (within the first term) pass an identical law regarding guns that was passed when Bill was in office AND a gun registry. She will also expand the programs (Fannie Freddie home loans for deadbeats) that caused the prior economic disaster.
Posted by: lightning at May 05, 2016 02:10 PM (AP+SF)
840
Condescension. It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (2PHKP)
I don't particularly care to look down on you, but I can't stop you from throwing yourself down into a pit.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (2PHKP)
I don't particularly care to look down on you, but I can't stop you from throwing yourself down into a pit.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 02:10 PM (uURQL)
841
Mayhaps morons like Ben Sasse..... who stikes me as a overly ambitious political opportunist..... ought to hold fire until trump announces his cabinet picks .....mayhaps their fear of a fraud might be minimized.... but hey since Jeff Sessions support and counsel doesnt do that than no one short of Billy Grahams endorsement will assure them...His cabinet is coming and you never Trump ....always leftards...... might be surprised......Doesnt matter run and vote thrid party Trump will still win....he eliminated 16 of the best the EGOP could find....maybe the far right should consider demographics and the dwindling attendance on Sunday...before they carry their white flag into a massacre ..again and again and again ......
Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt at May 05, 2016 02:11 PM (6WPRH)
842
So who is your choice, and who was your choice?
Didn't really care for any of them but it sickens me how Trump has brought out the bitch in people I used to respect.
It's like the Lilith tour in her lately.
I have my own teenage girls I can watch throw hissy fits over contrived foolishness everyday I don't need to come here for that shit.
Buck the fuck up.
Didn't really care for any of them but it sickens me how Trump has brought out the bitch in people I used to respect.
It's like the Lilith tour in her lately.
I have my own teenage girls I can watch throw hissy fits over contrived foolishness everyday I don't need to come here for that shit.
Buck the fuck up.
Posted by: #1Lurker at May 05, 2016 02:12 PM (DwSOB)
843
BTW, here's a funny response to the Sasse letter. Apparently the problem isn't corruption in DC, it's that people who live in the sticks are morons and no matter how hard we have tried to save them from themselves, they are beyond helping at this point. lol. Shit like this is why I'm voting Trump. Seriously, fuck all these guys.
http://bit.ly/1T3GbpJ
http://bit.ly/1T3GbpJ
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (7AhYZ)
844
840
Condescension. It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (2PHKP)
I don't particularly care to look down on you, but I can't stop you from throwing yourself down into a pit.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 02:10 PM (uURQL)
So my choice is pit (my decision) or ascension (follow Trump).
Very cultist. Where do I sign up? Can I get a free E meter reading before I have to start tithing?
Condescension. It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:01 PM (2PHKP)
I don't particularly care to look down on you, but I can't stop you from throwing yourself down into a pit.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 02:10 PM (uURQL)
So my choice is pit (my decision) or ascension (follow Trump).
Very cultist. Where do I sign up? Can I get a free E meter reading before I have to start tithing?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (2PHKP)
845
I look at Trump as the probable GOP nominee, and all I can think of is- wow, this is going to save Hillary a boat load of money during the campaign. All she has to do is sit back, and let Trump ass himself over and over with inane speeches. I see the same wistful projection on the part of Trump supporters as I did Obama supporters in 2008. And if Trump thinks the media is going to stay on his side, and help him, he should ask John McCain about that.
Posted by: DaveinNC at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (/NgNT)
846
>>Keep collecting those conservative bonafides, Trump.
It's about raising money. The Dems do it better than we do. Why not hire one of their guys away from them? If he also hired the techie who created Obama's voter turnout database (and not the jamoke who created ORCA for Romney), I'd be fine with that, too.
It's about raising money. The Dems do it better than we do. Why not hire one of their guys away from them? If he also hired the techie who created Obama's voter turnout database (and not the jamoke who created ORCA for Romney), I'd be fine with that, too.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)
847
Has anyone stopped to think about what the posts would be like here had Cruz won the nomination and Trump decided to go third party?
"Cruz Only Down 10 Points To Hillary!"
"Its Time To Unify Behind The Nominee!"
"Traitorous #NeverCruz movement actively campaigning for Hillary Clinton"
"Third Party Full of Butt-Hurt Trumpkins Who Didn't Get Their Way"
Just food for thought....
"Cruz Only Down 10 Points To Hillary!"
"Its Time To Unify Behind The Nominee!"
"Traitorous #NeverCruz movement actively campaigning for Hillary Clinton"
"Third Party Full of Butt-Hurt Trumpkins Who Didn't Get Their Way"
Just food for thought....
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:14 PM (EBY2U)
848
We conservatives had 16 other candidates to choose from. 16. And we couldn't come together on any of them.
You want a principled conservative who was dedicated to cutting government spending? Scott Walker should have been your man. He's the only candidate that's actually stood up to liberals in a blue state. His ideas succeeded and he won a recall election...again, in a blue state. He had a great story to tell.
It wasn't the Left that stopped him from becoming president -- it was us. He was boring, and didn't have a college degree. Seems inconsequential now.
You want a principled conservative who was dedicated to cutting government spending? Scott Walker should have been your man. He's the only candidate that's actually stood up to liberals in a blue state. His ideas succeeded and he won a recall election...again, in a blue state. He had a great story to tell.
It wasn't the Left that stopped him from becoming president -- it was us. He was boring, and didn't have a college degree. Seems inconsequential now.
Posted by: Mike at May 05, 2016 02:16 PM (ISxUB)
849
846
>>Keep collecting those conservative bonafides, Trump.
It's
about raising money. The Dems do it better than we do. Why not hire one
of their guys away from them? If he also hired the techie who created
Obama's voter turnout database (and not the jamoke who created ORCA for
Romney), I'd be fine with that, too.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)
There you go! Winning is all that matters. Not who gets a speed dial to the new Trump Bungalow at 1600. Funny, the guy even donated to Soro's America Coming Together. Surely that was just to win over Soro's heart so he could work on his hedge fund.
Surely this is all on the up and up.
Trump will build that wall for the rubes though.
>>Keep collecting those conservative bonafides, Trump.
It's
about raising money. The Dems do it better than we do. Why not hire one
of their guys away from them? If he also hired the techie who created
Obama's voter turnout database (and not the jamoke who created ORCA for
Romney), I'd be fine with that, too.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)
There you go! Winning is all that matters. Not who gets a speed dial to the new Trump Bungalow at 1600. Funny, the guy even donated to Soro's America Coming Together. Surely that was just to win over Soro's heart so he could work on his hedge fund.
Surely this is all on the up and up.
Trump will build that wall for the rubes though.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:18 PM (2PHKP)
850
So my choice is pit (my decision) or ascension (follow Trump).
Very cultist. Where do I sign up? Can I get a free E meter reading before I have to start tithing?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (2PHKP)
"Bear in mind a lot of it is posturing."
If you're not posturing, the statement didn't apply to you.
If you're posturing ... then yes, you threw yourself into a pit by making statements that you have no plan to follow through on.
If you're not posturing about voting #NeverTrump, or Hillary, or Johnson ... good for you. You have not tossed yourself into a pit.
Very cultist. Where do I sign up? Can I get a free E meter reading before I have to start tithing?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (2PHKP)
"Bear in mind a lot of it is posturing."
If you're not posturing, the statement didn't apply to you.
If you're posturing ... then yes, you threw yourself into a pit by making statements that you have no plan to follow through on.
If you're not posturing about voting #NeverTrump, or Hillary, or Johnson ... good for you. You have not tossed yourself into a pit.
Posted by: HopefulMonster Bravely supporting kittens at May 05, 2016 02:18 PM (uURQL)
851
"All she has to do is sit back, and let Trump ass himself over and over with inane speeches."
Wasn't that Jeb's Strategy?
And Rubios?
And Cruz's?
ESPECIALLY Cruz's. Cruz spent the first 4+ months of the primary praising Trump. I see that worked out well.
Perhaps you should sell that stragy of yours to the GOPe. They may still be interested.
Wasn't that Jeb's Strategy?
And Rubios?
And Cruz's?
ESPECIALLY Cruz's. Cruz spent the first 4+ months of the primary praising Trump. I see that worked out well.
Perhaps you should sell that stragy of yours to the GOPe. They may still be interested.
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:18 PM (EBY2U)
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:18 PM (Bdeb0)
853
"And yet you're here on this blog ranting while he
started a multibillion dollar organization."
He inherited most of his money and leveraged his celebrity to get people to pay him to let them put his name on things. He's a "brilliant businessman" in the same sense that Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton are. The rest of his vaunted "business acumen" consists primarily of bribery, cronyism, charlatanism, fraud, bankruptcy, vig-skimming, and failure. Had he not been born into money and celebrity he'd be dealing three-card monte or conducting Amway seminars.
"He ran for POTUS and has
won the nomination. He beat your boy Cruz despite all the books Cruz
has read. He proved all the pundits wrong despite all the books they've
collectively read, despite all the degrees they've collectively earned.
That guy who's dumber than the average special ed student. That must
really suck.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 02:03 PM (7AhYZ)"
Yeah, it does really suck that people like yourself were conned by this ignorant, fraudulent, mentally-defective charlatan.
started a multibillion dollar organization."
He inherited most of his money and leveraged his celebrity to get people to pay him to let them put his name on things. He's a "brilliant businessman" in the same sense that Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton are. The rest of his vaunted "business acumen" consists primarily of bribery, cronyism, charlatanism, fraud, bankruptcy, vig-skimming, and failure. Had he not been born into money and celebrity he'd be dealing three-card monte or conducting Amway seminars.
"He ran for POTUS and has
won the nomination. He beat your boy Cruz despite all the books Cruz
has read. He proved all the pundits wrong despite all the books they've
collectively read, despite all the degrees they've collectively earned.
That guy who's dumber than the average special ed student. That must
really suck.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at May 05, 2016 02:03 PM (7AhYZ)"
Yeah, it does really suck that people like yourself were conned by this ignorant, fraudulent, mentally-defective charlatan.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 05, 2016 02:19 PM (ztrrs)
854
I hear you ace. There is a bloombergview thread today from Megan Mcardle in which she describes the four horseman of the republican apocalypse. Megan's thread has many issues, but what i found really interesting was in the discussion
In the discussion a thread was started by Buzz Lightyear2 in which he started off by saying that because Trump had stood against all the republican elites and standard bearers saying you can't do this and you can't do that that he won and that was why he supported trump
When in that thread Buzz Lightyear2 was continually presented with actual quotes and youtube videos in which trump completely contradicted himself and agreed with what the pundits were telling everyone, the guy kept going off saying it did not matter and going off on those putting in the quotes and youtube videos, it made me laugh out loud in the office. But it totally demonstrated what you said in this post.
I have been trying to point out to people that think trump will win, that when you look at Gary Johnson getting somewhere north of 6-7% of the vote, and the fact that it all comes from R that it makes it kinda difficult to win, most especially for Trump. A real third party candidate, could easily draw twice that amount. Look at 1992 and Ross Perot.
If you think a Trump can overcome that, i have a bridge in NY to sell you.
In the discussion a thread was started by Buzz Lightyear2 in which he started off by saying that because Trump had stood against all the republican elites and standard bearers saying you can't do this and you can't do that that he won and that was why he supported trump
When in that thread Buzz Lightyear2 was continually presented with actual quotes and youtube videos in which trump completely contradicted himself and agreed with what the pundits were telling everyone, the guy kept going off saying it did not matter and going off on those putting in the quotes and youtube videos, it made me laugh out loud in the office. But it totally demonstrated what you said in this post.
I have been trying to point out to people that think trump will win, that when you look at Gary Johnson getting somewhere north of 6-7% of the vote, and the fact that it all comes from R that it makes it kinda difficult to win, most especially for Trump. A real third party candidate, could easily draw twice that amount. Look at 1992 and Ross Perot.
If you think a Trump can overcome that, i have a bridge in NY to sell you.
Posted by: JeffreyL at May 05, 2016 02:19 PM (mXv3y)
855
847
Has anyone stopped to think about what the posts would be like here had
Cruz won the nomination and Trump decided to go third party?
"Cruz Only Down 10 Points To Hillary!"
"Its Time To Unify Behind The Nominee!"
"Traitorous #NeverCruz movement actively campaigning for Hillary Clinton"
"Third Party Full of Butt-Hurt Trumpkins Who Didn't Get Their Way"
Just food for thought....
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:14 PM (EBY2U)
Have you stopped to think about what would the posts here would be like had beta beaten out VHS? Cause I have. *shudders*
Has anyone stopped to think about what the posts would be like here had
Cruz won the nomination and Trump decided to go third party?
"Cruz Only Down 10 Points To Hillary!"
"Its Time To Unify Behind The Nominee!"
"Traitorous #NeverCruz movement actively campaigning for Hillary Clinton"
"Third Party Full of Butt-Hurt Trumpkins Who Didn't Get Their Way"
Just food for thought....
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:14 PM (EBY2U)
Have you stopped to think about what would the posts here would be like had beta beaten out VHS? Cause I have. *shudders*
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:19 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:20 PM (Bdeb0)
857
It's an election. Try decaf.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:20 PM (Bdeb0)
It's our country. Try caring.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:20 PM (Bdeb0)
It's our country. Try caring.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:21 PM (2PHKP)
858
"He did write one so i imagine he read it.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 02:08 PM (lKyWE)"
Or he paid somebody else to write it. I think that's a more likely scenario considering he can't string a coherent sentence together.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 02:08 PM (lKyWE)"
Or he paid somebody else to write it. I think that's a more likely scenario considering he can't string a coherent sentence together.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at May 05, 2016 02:21 PM (ztrrs)
859
"I have been trying to point out to people that think trump will win, that when you look at Gary Johnson getting somewhere north of 6-7% of the vote, and the fact that it all comes from R that it makes it kinda difficult to win, most especially for Trump. A real third party candidate, could easily draw twice that amount. Look at 1992 and Ross Perot."
Thanks for the info. So if Cruz runs again in 2020, I am sure Trump can put together enough of a third party to deprive Cruz of the White House too.
Count me in.
Thanks for the info. So if Cruz runs again in 2020, I am sure Trump can put together enough of a third party to deprive Cruz of the White House too.
Count me in.
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:23 PM (EBY2U)
860
It's about raising money. The Dems do it better than we do. Why not hire one of their guys away from them? If he also hired the techie who created Obama's voter turnout database (and not the jamoke who created ORCA for Romney), I'd be fine with that, too.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)
Yeah, this isn't a big deal, unless you think the guy is going to sap Trump's campaign because he's a lefty. Part of Trump's shtick is that he coopts both parties, and this just goes towards that. It's also why I think Trump's various adviser picks and most likely his VP pick are going to be all over the place- people with credentials from both sides. Part of it is that at least some of those who'd have filled those roles aren't doing so unless they feel Trump has moderated his tone, but another part is that Trump really does seem to be making a play for some of the people like Bernie's eventually disaffected supporters who wouldn't ordinarily vote GOP. It's a gamble that he can stay in the middle, not move right to shore up his base.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:13 PM (Bdeb0)
Yeah, this isn't a big deal, unless you think the guy is going to sap Trump's campaign because he's a lefty. Part of Trump's shtick is that he coopts both parties, and this just goes towards that. It's also why I think Trump's various adviser picks and most likely his VP pick are going to be all over the place- people with credentials from both sides. Part of it is that at least some of those who'd have filled those roles aren't doing so unless they feel Trump has moderated his tone, but another part is that Trump really does seem to be making a play for some of the people like Bernie's eventually disaffected supporters who wouldn't ordinarily vote GOP. It's a gamble that he can stay in the middle, not move right to shore up his base.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 02:24 PM (F26eZ)
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders who we are talking about at May 05, 2016 02:24 PM (evdj2)
862
"Have you stopped to think about what would the posts here would be like had beta beaten out VHS? Cause I have. *shudders*"
Deflection....you are good at that.
Deflection....you are good at that.
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:25 PM (EBY2U)
863
862
"Have you stopped to think about what would the posts here would be like had beta beaten out VHS? Cause I have. *shudders*"
Deflection....you are good at that.
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:25 PM (EBY2U)
That's not deflection. That's snark, but I am also good at deflection. Lot's of racquetball.
"Have you stopped to think about what would the posts here would be like had beta beaten out VHS? Cause I have. *shudders*"
Deflection....you are good at that.
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:25 PM (EBY2U)
That's not deflection. That's snark, but I am also good at deflection. Lot's of racquetball.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:27 PM (2PHKP)
864
"And yet you're here on this blog ranting while he
started a multibillion dollar organization."
So did George Soros.
""He ran for POTUS and has
won the nomination."
So did Obama.
started a multibillion dollar organization."
So did George Soros.
""He ran for POTUS and has
won the nomination."
So did Obama.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:28 PM (aFa2V)
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EBY2U)
866
847 "Has anyone stopped to think about what the posts would be like here had Cruz won the nomination and Trump decided to go third party?"
---------
No, because we're not suggesting that Cruz run as a third-party candidate.
Analogy fail.
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No, because we're not suggesting that Cruz run as a third-party candidate.
Analogy fail.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:29 PM (A6sW3)
867
@335: Don't bother reading for comprehension. Never stated a single group, i.e. Republicans ...
Most of Republican primaries were open ... so the "group" is actually the whole of the United States and in that event, Median applies ...
Most of Republican primaries were open ... so the "group" is actually the whole of the United States and in that event, Median applies ...
Posted by: MathSamurai at May 05, 2016 02:29 PM (d6KVW)
868
Yeah, this isn't a big deal, unless you think
the guy is going to sap Trump's campaign because he's a lefty. Part of
Trump's shtick is that he coopts both parties, and this just goes
towards that. It's also why I think Trump's various adviser picks and
most likely his VP pick are going to be all over the place- people with
credentials from both sides. Part of it is that at least some of those
who'd have filled those roles aren't doing so unless they feel Trump has
moderated his tone, but another part is that Trump really does seem to
be making a play for some of the people like Bernie's eventually
disaffected supporters who wouldn't ordinarily vote GOP. It's a gamble
that he can stay in the middle, not move right to shore up his base.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 02:24 PM (F26eZ)
Really don't understand this open arm acceptance of anything Trump does by supporters. This guy he's bringing in has ties to George Soros, Obama, Clinton, unions and a Soros funded organization hell bent of defeating Conservatives.
And the response to him having Trump's ear is "yay for us, Trump is truly a uniter!"
Yeah, this isn't a big deal, unless you think
the guy is going to sap Trump's campaign because he's a lefty. Part of
Trump's shtick is that he coopts both parties, and this just goes
towards that. It's also why I think Trump's various adviser picks and
most likely his VP pick are going to be all over the place- people with
credentials from both sides. Part of it is that at least some of those
who'd have filled those roles aren't doing so unless they feel Trump has
moderated his tone, but another part is that Trump really does seem to
be making a play for some of the people like Bernie's eventually
disaffected supporters who wouldn't ordinarily vote GOP. It's a gamble
that he can stay in the middle, not move right to shore up his base.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 02:24 PM (F26eZ)
Really don't understand this open arm acceptance of anything Trump does by supporters. This guy he's bringing in has ties to George Soros, Obama, Clinton, unions and a Soros funded organization hell bent of defeating Conservatives.
And the response to him having Trump's ear is "yay for us, Trump is truly a uniter!"
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:29 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:29 PM (EBY2U)
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:30 PM (EBY2U)
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders who we are talking about at May 05, 2016 02:30 PM (evdj2)
872
>>Yeah, this isn't a big deal, unless you think the guy is going to sap Trump's campaign because he's a lefty
Agreed. It's possible--but I think unlikely--that a Trump campaign keystone would sabotage his campaign when there's so much patronage upside (unfortunately) for the team that wins. Trump may have a lot of shortcomings, but I'm pretty confident that he's managed to keep his fortune for as long as he has by picking pretty decent moneymen.
Agreed. It's possible--but I think unlikely--that a Trump campaign keystone would sabotage his campaign when there's so much patronage upside (unfortunately) for the team that wins. Trump may have a lot of shortcomings, but I'm pretty confident that he's managed to keep his fortune for as long as he has by picking pretty decent moneymen.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:30 PM (Bdeb0)
873
"You may not kneel if Trump wins. You will kneel if Hillary wins:"
Yes, vbecause rturmp takes criticism so well.
I mean he's only banned from his presence and publicly attacked half a dozen people in the past month for daring to criticize him; and wished he had the power to drive them out of society entirely.
And some of his supporters are perfectly willing to join in on the attacks and threaten any who do not comply.
Clearly he'll be good with power; and not abuse it as he claims he wants to abuse it?
Not a chance; he's itching to grab power to silence all dissent.
Unless you can't trust what he says when he tells you this?
You might not get Hillary abusing power to come after you; she a politico who knows where the line is drawn and when you've gone too far to be accepted.
Trump can't see lines, and simply has ego and a drive for power to force others to submit.
One of those will make you kneel, the other might.
But not the way you thought.
Yes, vbecause rturmp takes criticism so well.
I mean he's only banned from his presence and publicly attacked half a dozen people in the past month for daring to criticize him; and wished he had the power to drive them out of society entirely.
And some of his supporters are perfectly willing to join in on the attacks and threaten any who do not comply.
Clearly he'll be good with power; and not abuse it as he claims he wants to abuse it?
Not a chance; he's itching to grab power to silence all dissent.
Unless you can't trust what he says when he tells you this?
You might not get Hillary abusing power to come after you; she a politico who knows where the line is drawn and when you've gone too far to be accepted.
Trump can't see lines, and simply has ego and a drive for power to force others to submit.
One of those will make you kneel, the other might.
But not the way you thought.
Posted by: gekkobear at May 05, 2016 02:31 PM (kq7Of)
874
865
"837 Steven Mnuchin....Goldman Sachs flunky. "
You mean like Heidi Cruz?
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EBY2U)
No, Heidi wasn't donating to Obama and Soros' pet liberal organizations.
But that thing we were talking about..you know, the D word??
"837 Steven Mnuchin....Goldman Sachs flunky. "
You mean like Heidi Cruz?
Posted by: Goodness Knows at May 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EBY2U)
No, Heidi wasn't donating to Obama and Soros' pet liberal organizations.
But that thing we were talking about..you know, the D word??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:31 PM (2PHKP)
875
Why only terrible candidates, Ace?
This country deserves better than the current President, or the Congress, or the Senate Majority leader, or the Speaker of the House, or the former Senate Majority leader or the former Speaker or all of the Congress, barring a few that I can count on my fingers and won't need toes.
Despite your bloviating, Trump represents something different (not better--just different), and certainly better than Hillary.
For better or for worse, the country has spoken--by several million majority.
I voted for Cruz in the Texas primaries. But I will happily vote for Trump.
This country deserves better than the current President, or the Congress, or the Senate Majority leader, or the Speaker of the House, or the former Senate Majority leader or the former Speaker or all of the Congress, barring a few that I can count on my fingers and won't need toes.
Despite your bloviating, Trump represents something different (not better--just different), and certainly better than Hillary.
For better or for worse, the country has spoken--by several million majority.
I voted for Cruz in the Texas primaries. But I will happily vote for Trump.
Posted by: Chester at May 05, 2016 02:32 PM (/BYqW)
876
If I support Trump but don't act like an asshole, am I a 'Trumpkin'?
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 05, 2016 02:32 PM (9VLhN)
877
"Yeah, this isn't a big deal, unless you think the guy is going to sap Trump's campaign because he's a lefty. "
Why would a lefty sap the campaign of a NY Liberal Democrat pushing for Bigger Government and authoritarian abuse of power?
You might as well fret the Democrats would sabotage Hillary.
Oh, you're pretending Trump is a Conservative?
Why? He quit pretending yesterday...
Why keep playing that game?
Why would a lefty sap the campaign of a NY Liberal Democrat pushing for Bigger Government and authoritarian abuse of power?
You might as well fret the Democrats would sabotage Hillary.
Oh, you're pretending Trump is a Conservative?
Why? He quit pretending yesterday...
Why keep playing that game?
Posted by: gekkobear at May 05, 2016 02:32 PM (kq7Of)
878
Let us know when the individual rights party gets underway. I might be interested in that myself. But until then I'll go with what Trump is offering.
Posted by: Phil Dayton at May 05, 2016 02:33 PM (eFytx)
879
"Still considering the Libertarian party then????"
Libertarian Party also has pro-life candidates.
Libertarians do not have to be pro-choice.
Austin Peterson is the pro-life Libertarian candidate.
Libertarian Party also has pro-life candidates.
Libertarians do not have to be pro-choice.
Austin Peterson is the pro-life Libertarian candidate.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:33 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 05, 2016 02:34 PM (d6KVW)
881
Ace you're a worthless. Put up or shut up. You've done shit for conservatives except talk for the past decade. If you're not for Trump you're for Hillary.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:34 PM (fTqyA)
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:35 PM (Bdeb0)
883
881
Ace you're a worthless. Put up or shut up. You've done shit for
conservatives except talk for the past decade. If you're not for Trump
you're for Hillary.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:34 PM (fTqyA)
You tell him! That's gonna leave a mark on his Ewok pelt.
Ace you're a worthless. Put up or shut up. You've done shit for
conservatives except talk for the past decade. If you're not for Trump
you're for Hillary.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:34 PM (fTqyA)
You tell him! That's gonna leave a mark on his Ewok pelt.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 05, 2016 02:35 PM (2PHKP)
884
I still think Trump is a POS, and the people who voted for him with both good and bad intentions are being duped.
However, someone on Twitter had pointed out that Hillary Clinton should not be allowed to skate for all of the bullshit surrounding Benghazi and her private servers. I agree.
I think we should use him to get Clinton (though I may be getting duped in thinking he'll pursue), and then cast him aside, but not before the alt-right's dreams are shattered and those who followed him in earnest are disillusioned.
Then we can rally back.
However, someone on Twitter had pointed out that Hillary Clinton should not be allowed to skate for all of the bullshit surrounding Benghazi and her private servers. I agree.
I think we should use him to get Clinton (though I may be getting duped in thinking he'll pursue), and then cast him aside, but not before the alt-right's dreams are shattered and those who followed him in earnest are disillusioned.
Then we can rally back.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 02:36 PM (Y3C5w)
885
For better or for worse, the country has spoken--by several million majority.
In fairness, the Republican primary voters have spoken.
In fairness, the Republican primary voters have spoken.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at May 05, 2016 02:36 PM (evdj2)
886
Trump said I'll do everything in my power to not touch social security
I think I stand by my position that Trump is not practical when he wants to solve our debt problem but won't touch social security.
I think I stand by my position that Trump is not practical when he wants to solve our debt problem but won't touch social security.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:37 PM (UBBWX)
887
I'm ready to vote third party. I absolutely will not vote for Trump or Hillary. This isn't just a matter of "he's not conservative enough for me", or "he's not ideologically pure". I cannot in good conscience vote for someone of such low character. Both Trump and Hillary would also be a disaster.
Posted by: biancaneve at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (sjq9T)
888
Nothing says coming to terms with their own irrelevance than live blogging Star Wars.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (fTqyA)
889
So glad we have ace and so many others here who are so damn sure of who these people are.
Remember all the Romney/Ryan love around here?
Yeah, true patriots they turned out to be.
And leave us not forget how butthurt and childish ace got when people here came down on, and rightfully so, his good GOPe friend, gollum.
Remember all the Romney/Ryan love around here?
Yeah, true patriots they turned out to be.
And leave us not forget how butthurt and childish ace got when people here came down on, and rightfully so, his good GOPe friend, gollum.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (ijopM)
890
Yeah, true patriots they turned out to be.
And leave us not forget how butthurt and childish ace got when people here came down on, and rightfully so, his good GOPe friend, gollum.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (ijopM)
Those of you who allude to GOPe, especially when referring to Ted Cruz, should EAD.
And leave us not forget how butthurt and childish ace got when people here came down on, and rightfully so, his good GOPe friend, gollum.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (ijopM)
Those of you who allude to GOPe, especially when referring to Ted Cruz, should EAD.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (Y3C5w)
891
"This isn't a court of law, bud.
The only thing you need to do in the court of public opinion is to take a stance and to keep taking it. "
--------
Well, the thing is, I'm not a mark. I'm not a chump. I don't believe someone just because he tells me things. If Trump wants my vote, I have to actually believe the things he's promising. I don't have to take him at his word. Rubes do that.
Evidence. Actual evidence. That's what I want. Not just Donald Trump saying stuff.
The only thing you need to do in the court of public opinion is to take a stance and to keep taking it. "
--------
Well, the thing is, I'm not a mark. I'm not a chump. I don't believe someone just because he tells me things. If Trump wants my vote, I have to actually believe the things he's promising. I don't have to take him at his word. Rubes do that.
Evidence. Actual evidence. That's what I want. Not just Donald Trump saying stuff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (A6sW3)
892
881 Ace you're a worthless. Put up or shut up. You've done shit for conservatives except talk for the past decade. If you're not for Trump you're for Hillary.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:34 PM (fTqyA)
As opposed to the orange clown, who has actively supported progresive leftists and their totalitarian ideas for his entire adult life and has done shit for conservatives except talk for the last six months?
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:34 PM (fTqyA)
As opposed to the orange clown, who has actively supported progresive leftists and their totalitarian ideas for his entire adult life and has done shit for conservatives except talk for the last six months?
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Gargabe at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (ztrrs)
893
Count me in for 3rd party too!
Either that, or I'll stay home.
Not a threat.
Just don't want to be personally responsible for voting either of those disgusting people into office.
Either that, or I'll stay home.
Not a threat.
Just don't want to be personally responsible for voting either of those disgusting people into office.
Posted by: Sassy at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (q7eWh)
894
Yeah, true patriots they turned out to be.
And leave us not forget how butthurt and childish ace got when people here came down on, and rightfully so, his good GOPe friend, gollum.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (ijopM)
And we won't get fooled again...
And leave us not forget how butthurt and childish ace got when people here came down on, and rightfully so, his good GOPe friend, gollum.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (ijopM)
And we won't get fooled again...
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 02:41 PM (Y3C5w)
895
Another Trump quote:
"Our businesses are being taken out of the country."
think about that for a moment.
Is that any different from "you didn't build it?"
My business is my business, not Trumps, not yours, and not America's.
Property rights matter.
"Our businesses are being taken out of the country."
think about that for a moment.
Is that any different from "you didn't build it?"
My business is my business, not Trumps, not yours, and not America's.
Property rights matter.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:41 PM (UBBWX)
896
Prayer is the way to handle things that are beyond an individuals control. God protects people who ask for his protection. No one knows how events will turn out. Chill.
Posted by: huh? at May 05, 2016 02:42 PM (Bbcs8)
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 02:44 PM (Bdeb0)
898
Orange Clown,
Trump by taking a bold positions moved the Overton Window regarding illegal immigrantion, trade, and banning Muslims.
In the a matter of months Trump has accomplished much more than all of Ace's years navel gazing.
Nice try Orange clown but Ace has been a huge disappointment this season.
Trump by taking a bold positions moved the Overton Window regarding illegal immigrantion, trade, and banning Muslims.
In the a matter of months Trump has accomplished much more than all of Ace's years navel gazing.
Nice try Orange clown but Ace has been a huge disappointment this season.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (fTqyA)
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (mR7Es)
900
888 Nothing says coming to terms with their own irrelevance than live blogging Star Wars.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (fTqyA)
Ace is so irrelevant that Trumpkins feel the need to obsessively troll his comments section in the hopes that he'll validate their paranoid hysteria.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:38 PM (fTqyA)
Ace is so irrelevant that Trumpkins feel the need to obsessively troll his comments section in the hopes that he'll validate their paranoid hysteria.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Gargabe at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (ztrrs)
901
Well, the thing is, I'm not a mark. I'm not a chump. I don't believe someone just because he tells me things. If Trump wants my vote, I have to actually believe the things he's promising. I don't have to take him at his word. Rubes do that.
Evidence. Actual evidence. That's what I want. Not just Donald Trump saying stuff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (A6sW3)
This. With Romney and Ryan and McCain and Rubio you could point to things they said and then things they did. All we have for Trump is a lifetime of support for lefty causes and a few months of statements that he's actually severely conservative, or at least what someone who's never paid attention when speaking with a conservative thinks conservatives sound like. And when you look into what he's said, at least the stuff he didn't unsay, a lot of it actually shows that his impulse isn't to get out of controlling people's lives, but instead to assert the kind of control he likes.
Evidence. Actual evidence. That's what I want. Not just Donald Trump saying stuff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (A6sW3)
This. With Romney and Ryan and McCain and Rubio you could point to things they said and then things they did. All we have for Trump is a lifetime of support for lefty causes and a few months of statements that he's actually severely conservative, or at least what someone who's never paid attention when speaking with a conservative thinks conservatives sound like. And when you look into what he's said, at least the stuff he didn't unsay, a lot of it actually shows that his impulse isn't to get out of controlling people's lives, but instead to assert the kind of control he likes.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (F26eZ)
902
"Most of Republican primaries were open ... so the "group" is actually the whole of the United States and in that event, Median applies ..."
Posted by: MathSamurai
I like how the rationale can shift as necessary:
"Trump won the GOP primaries, that means he's the true choice of Republicans, but the primaries were open, so he's the true choice of the average American"
Posted by: MathSamurai
I like how the rationale can shift as necessary:
"Trump won the GOP primaries, that means he's the true choice of Republicans, but the primaries were open, so he's the true choice of the average American"
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (26zxJ)
903
Ok. Two things.
1) So millions and millions of people have freely voted in a multitude of different states and the 'non-authoritarians' here want to take away the people's vote because they don't like the guy they voted for?
And spare me the well he didn't get a majority of voters schick. That's the way it always works and Trump's chart has been one big trend upwards since he announced. Not true for any of the other losers who had just as much chance to be in Trump's position as Trump - the winner.
2) A guy who writes daily about his masturbatory and toilet habits doesn't think Trump is his intellectual equal?
Yeah, not any self awareness here at all.
1) So millions and millions of people have freely voted in a multitude of different states and the 'non-authoritarians' here want to take away the people's vote because they don't like the guy they voted for?
And spare me the well he didn't get a majority of voters schick. That's the way it always works and Trump's chart has been one big trend upwards since he announced. Not true for any of the other losers who had just as much chance to be in Trump's position as Trump - the winner.
2) A guy who writes daily about his masturbatory and toilet habits doesn't think Trump is his intellectual equal?
Yeah, not any self awareness here at all.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 02:47 PM (YZr92)
904
Ben Sasse another Havard educated (political science - LOLOL) GOPer with less smarts that Meathead. I hope the dope runs!! But the pussy won't. Another tough talking do nothing Senator.
Posted by: America at May 05, 2016 02:48 PM (r+HBB)
905
Quadruple H1B?
TPA fastrack?
Teddy bears on the border?
Get a clue boogie west town.
Wife a big baceker of the north American Union and CFR member.
And before you jump in with the y in coil hat bullshit remember what Goldwater had to say about that group of filth.
Cruz has been pure kabuki.
TPA fastrack?
Teddy bears on the border?
Get a clue boogie west town.
Wife a big baceker of the north American Union and CFR member.
And before you jump in with the y in coil hat bullshit remember what Goldwater had to say about that group of filth.
Cruz has been pure kabuki.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2016 02:49 PM (ijopM)
906
I thought I'd just pop in to see what 'batshit crazy' looked like. Thanks for the education Ace!
Posted by: dominigan at May 05, 2016 02:50 PM (g3/94)
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:50 PM (mR7Es)
908
"Evidence. Actual evidence. That's what I want. Not just Donald Trump saying stuff."
This is why I'd like to see those NYT remarks. (although maybe he just said stuff they wanted to hear, too.)
And I'd like to see his tax returns. Let's see those donations to the vets, Donald.
Finally, this is why Trump University's fraud should concern Trump supporters.
Because in his sales pitch, which is exactly like his campaign sales pitch, he claims he will hand pick the teachers. But he did not do that.
He did not back up a promise with action, when it was the simplest of actions, being sold in his own name.
This is why I'd like to see those NYT remarks. (although maybe he just said stuff they wanted to hear, too.)
And I'd like to see his tax returns. Let's see those donations to the vets, Donald.
Finally, this is why Trump University's fraud should concern Trump supporters.
Because in his sales pitch, which is exactly like his campaign sales pitch, he claims he will hand pick the teachers. But he did not do that.
He did not back up a promise with action, when it was the simplest of actions, being sold in his own name.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:51 PM (UBBWX)
909
898 Orange Clown,
Trump by taking a bold positions moved the Overton Window regarding illegal immigrantion, trade, and banning Muslims.
In the a matter of months Trump has accomplished much more than all of Ace's years navel gazing.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (fTqyA)
He's moved the Overton window in the wrong direction. Lots of people who would normally agree with or at least be open to those things now oppose them because the orange clown is so disgusting that they're embarrased to agree with him about anything.
Trump by taking a bold positions moved the Overton Window regarding illegal immigrantion, trade, and banning Muslims.
In the a matter of months Trump has accomplished much more than all of Ace's years navel gazing.
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:46 PM (fTqyA)
He's moved the Overton window in the wrong direction. Lots of people who would normally agree with or at least be open to those things now oppose them because the orange clown is so disgusting that they're embarrased to agree with him about anything.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Gargabe at May 05, 2016 02:52 PM (ztrrs)
910
"at least what someone who's never paid attention when speaking with a conservative thinks conservatives sound like."
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag
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Every Trump initial reaction is either:
(1) What "Stephen Colbert," parody conservative blowhard, would say on the issue, or
(2) What the actual Stephen Colbert, liberal, actually believes
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag
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Every Trump initial reaction is either:
(1) What "Stephen Colbert," parody conservative blowhard, would say on the issue, or
(2) What the actual Stephen Colbert, liberal, actually believes
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:52 PM (A6sW3)
911
893 Count me in for 3rd party too!
Either that, or I'll stay home.
Not a threat.
Just don't want to be personally responsible for voting either of those disgusting people into office.
Posted by: Sassy at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (q7eWh)
Yep. Not a threat. Just not voting for him. He hasn't done anything to earn my vote and doesn't seem interested, and I'm not a republican first.
I was talking to a lefty on FB the other day about the Target mess. She was saying that righties complain when progressives organize boycotts of Chick-fil-A and then they go out and call for boycotts of stores they don't like. I said that for me, there are so many stores out there I can usually find what I need in several places at generally the same prices. Why should I shop at Target when they've decided to put my daughter in danger, and that I'm a bigot for being concerned? At least Walmart hasn't made me kneel down yet.
If a 3rd party candidate out there already or that comes into being is closer to my values and beliefs, I'll vote for them. Otherwise, I'll stay home.
Either that, or I'll stay home.
Not a threat.
Just don't want to be personally responsible for voting either of those disgusting people into office.
Posted by: Sassy at May 05, 2016 02:40 PM (q7eWh)
Yep. Not a threat. Just not voting for him. He hasn't done anything to earn my vote and doesn't seem interested, and I'm not a republican first.
I was talking to a lefty on FB the other day about the Target mess. She was saying that righties complain when progressives organize boycotts of Chick-fil-A and then they go out and call for boycotts of stores they don't like. I said that for me, there are so many stores out there I can usually find what I need in several places at generally the same prices. Why should I shop at Target when they've decided to put my daughter in danger, and that I'm a bigot for being concerned? At least Walmart hasn't made me kneel down yet.
If a 3rd party candidate out there already or that comes into being is closer to my values and beliefs, I'll vote for them. Otherwise, I'll stay home.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 02:53 PM (F26eZ)
912
Arguments against Trump no longer serve the Cruz Presidential Campaign.
Why are they still being made by Cruz supporters?
What purpose do they serve?
Why are they still being made by Cruz supporters?
What purpose do they serve?
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:53 PM (mR7Es)
913
'non-authoritarians' here want to take away the people's vote because they don't like the guy they voted for?
--Nobody is saying take away Trump's votes/wins. We are debating whether to vote for him in November or leave the party and vote for someone else.
Finally, we are not a democracy for a reason. Democracy often leads to bad results and mob voting.
We're a republic based on a constitution that protects our rights for a reason.
If Trump seems to not respect those rights, then yes, we are within our rights to oppose him.
--Nobody is saying take away Trump's votes/wins. We are debating whether to vote for him in November or leave the party and vote for someone else.
Finally, we are not a democracy for a reason. Democracy often leads to bad results and mob voting.
We're a republic based on a constitution that protects our rights for a reason.
If Trump seems to not respect those rights, then yes, we are within our rights to oppose him.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:54 PM (UBBWX)
914
I've got a third party candidate for you
--------------> John Anderson
He's still alive at 94 years old. Tanned, rested and ready.
Have at it.
--------------> John Anderson
He's still alive at 94 years old. Tanned, rested and ready.
Have at it.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 02:54 PM (YZr92)
915
When do we get to back to the on my knees part with President Grandma Hector Camacho Clinton?
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 05, 2016 02:54 PM (d6KVW)
916
Lol, Ace definitely needs and seeks validation. Why else react so negatively towards honest criticism in the commentary?
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 02:55 PM (fTqyA)
917
What purpose do they serve?
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:53 PM (mR7Es)
Your man's a Progressive.
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:53 PM (mR7Es)
Your man's a Progressive.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 02:55 PM (Y3C5w)
918
Trump never talks about limited gov't? But he does. He talks about limiting the US gov't involvement in foreign wars. War is the HGH of big government.
Posted by: bjk at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (WyOGB)
919
Because in his sales pitch, which is exactly like his campaign sales pitch, he claims he will hand pick the teachers. But he did not do that.
He did not back up a promise with action, when it was the simplest of actions, being sold in his own name.
Posted by: Harun
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"campaign sales pitch" - I will never tire of pointing this out. Trump's trying to make a deal with you for your vote. If there's one thing we know about Trump *because he tells us with his own mouth*, it's that he gets the long end of every deal.
So when you're listening to the Trump sales pitch, figure out what he's selling you for the price of your vote. He's selling you a promise. What's a Trump promise worth?
I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't buy anything from the man at any price, not without (i) getting it first, paying second, and (ii) doing more research into what I was getting than I put into anything else in my life.
He did not back up a promise with action, when it was the simplest of actions, being sold in his own name.
Posted by: Harun
-------------
"campaign sales pitch" - I will never tire of pointing this out. Trump's trying to make a deal with you for your vote. If there's one thing we know about Trump *because he tells us with his own mouth*, it's that he gets the long end of every deal.
So when you're listening to the Trump sales pitch, figure out what he's selling you for the price of your vote. He's selling you a promise. What's a Trump promise worth?
I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't buy anything from the man at any price, not without (i) getting it first, paying second, and (ii) doing more research into what I was getting than I put into anything else in my life.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (aFa2V)
920
"Why are they still being made by Cruz supporters?
What purpose do they serve?"
Ben Sasse may run 3rd party.
We are also thinking about the GOP with Trump in charge.
Imagine if the GOP was run by Rubio.
Would you consider leaving? Amnesty after all is a big issue for Trump supporters.
They sure as hell would be still talking about how Rubio sucks and they would stay home.
Stop trying to force unity. Your guy's job is to win our votes. Not the other way around.
Trump can win my vote by simple actions: release his tax returns, as promised. Step 1. Easy as hell. Do it.
What purpose do they serve?"
Ben Sasse may run 3rd party.
We are also thinking about the GOP with Trump in charge.
Imagine if the GOP was run by Rubio.
Would you consider leaving? Amnesty after all is a big issue for Trump supporters.
They sure as hell would be still talking about how Rubio sucks and they would stay home.
Stop trying to force unity. Your guy's job is to win our votes. Not the other way around.
Trump can win my vote by simple actions: release his tax returns, as promised. Step 1. Easy as hell. Do it.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (UBBWX)
921
He talks about limiting the US gov't involvement in foreign wars. War is the HGH of big government.
Posted by: bjk
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I mean, you say that... and then you read stuff like this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-30000-troops-isis/
[waits for the spin about how this is limited involvement, not "foreign," or not a "war]
Posted by: bjk
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I mean, you say that... and then you read stuff like this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-30000-troops-isis/
[waits for the spin about how this is limited involvement, not "foreign," or not a "war]
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:58 PM (A6sW3)
922
"I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't buy anything from the man at any price, not without (i) getting it first, paying second, and (ii) doing more research into what I was getting than I put into anything else in my life."
I also would not sell him anything.
I have met customers like Trump. In the end, they always stiff you.
The mere fact he ran a real estate seminar scam and a multi-level marketing scam should be huge red signals.
I also would not sell him anything.
I have met customers like Trump. In the end, they always stiff you.
The mere fact he ran a real estate seminar scam and a multi-level marketing scam should be huge red signals.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:58 PM (UBBWX)
923
Oh this David Silver sure is a funny one, huh? Begging to get the banhammer. I hope Ace tortures him a little like a cat does to a mouse before banning him. Would be a ton of fun for the rest of us to watch.
Posted by: Sassy at May 05, 2016 02:58 PM (q7eWh)
924
918 Trump never talks about limited gov't? But he does. He talks about limiting the US gov't involvement in foreign wars. War is the HGH of big government.
Posted by: bjk at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (WyOGB)
He also talks about what's on the front page of the National Enquirer.
Posted by: bjk at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (WyOGB)
He also talks about what's on the front page of the National Enquirer.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 02:58 PM (Y3C5w)
925
912 Arguments against Trump no longer serve the Cruz Presidential Campaign.
Why are they still being made by Cruz supporters?
What purpose do they serve?
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:53
Oh, I forgot. In Trump's America nobody is allowed to talk about politics in a way that does not glorify Dear Orange Leader. Because fascism worked so well the last few times around.
912 Arguments against Trump no longer serve the Cruz Presidential Campaign.
Why are they still being made by Cruz supporters?
What purpose do they serve?
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 02:53
Oh, I forgot. In Trump's America nobody is allowed to talk about politics in a way that does not glorify Dear Orange Leader. Because fascism worked so well the last few times around.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Gargabe at May 05, 2016 02:59 PM (ztrrs)
926
Trump voters:
"It's bad when the GOP establishment tells us to vote for its candidates when we, the voters, don't like them. Now all of you voters better vote for Trump."
"It's bad when the GOP establishment tells us to vote for its candidates when we, the voters, don't like them. Now all of you voters better vote for Trump."
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 02:59 PM (aFa2V)
927
"He talks about limiting the US gov't involvement in foreign wars. War is the HGH of big government. "
Except he also says he will "take their oil."
Explain how to do that. Occupy and pump for 10-20 years?
Again, if he were consistent, I'd be more willing to listen.
Except he also says he will "take their oil."
Explain how to do that. Occupy and pump for 10-20 years?
Again, if he were consistent, I'd be more willing to listen.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:59 PM (UBBWX)
928
Tell - the more confused Ace is, the more he types.
Posted by: Sammy T S at May 05, 2016 03:00 PM (r+HBB)
929
I don't see a 3rd party being the solution, but rather I would like to see an end to open primaries.
I see no reason why Democrats and Independents should be allowed to pick the "party leader" for a party that they don't believe in enough to join.
I see no reason why Democrats and Independents should be allowed to pick the "party leader" for a party that they don't believe in enough to join.
Posted by: unlawful party voter at May 05, 2016 03:01 PM (e8kgV)
930
[waits for the spin about how this is limited involvement, not "foreign," or not a "war]
He said he would listen to the generals. Any candidate would say the same.
He said he would listen to the generals. Any candidate would say the same.
Posted by: bjk at May 05, 2016 03:02 PM (WyOGB)
931
@908
You are like that Japanese soldier hiding out in the brush who didn't know the war had ended for 40 years earlier.
Go ahead. Vote for who ever you want. Trump is still going to win. Like usual. LOL
You are like that Japanese soldier hiding out in the brush who didn't know the war had ended for 40 years earlier.
Go ahead. Vote for who ever you want. Trump is still going to win. Like usual. LOL
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:02 PM (YZr92)
932
BTW, we all know Cruz lost.
The discussion is what to do after this election.
I predict Trump will move left from now on. A lot of people here are pretty decent conservatives who support Trump but may not be able to stomach his coming moves.
I've already predicted a minimum wage of $15, and probably some attacks on banks.
Eventually he'll get to somewhere you may not feel comfortable.
The discussion is what to do after this election.
I predict Trump will move left from now on. A lot of people here are pretty decent conservatives who support Trump but may not be able to stomach his coming moves.
I've already predicted a minimum wage of $15, and probably some attacks on banks.
Eventually he'll get to somewhere you may not feel comfortable.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:03 PM (UBBWX)
933
"Trump can win my vote by simple actions: release his tax returns, as promised. Step 1. Easy as hell. Do it.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (UBBWX)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Really ? REALLY!??!
Good fucking Christ. How the hell is that really even relevant ? Unreal.
This country is so well and truly fucked. Ace is kina sidling up to the idea of, well, how do we actually try and start a viable third party. I know that isn't what the post really says, but that SHOULD be the real discussion here.
I'm not a big fan of the idea, generally, since it hands the election to Hillary on a platter, and I'm not sold on the idea that Trump CANNOT win.
But if we're going to proceed from that assumption, then HOW do you start a viable, long term, third party, and who is the right person to serve as the face of that party ? To me, that's a much, MUCH bigger question. It ain't Ted Cruz, it ain't Rubio, it ain't Romney.
So who has the name recogniztion and the non-Ron Paul-esque crank factor to actually get enough votes to influence the thinking of the larger electorate.
It would also be nice if said individual was not designated as an enemy of the state right out of the chute by the media.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:56 PM (UBBWX)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Really ? REALLY!??!
Good fucking Christ. How the hell is that really even relevant ? Unreal.
This country is so well and truly fucked. Ace is kina sidling up to the idea of, well, how do we actually try and start a viable third party. I know that isn't what the post really says, but that SHOULD be the real discussion here.
I'm not a big fan of the idea, generally, since it hands the election to Hillary on a platter, and I'm not sold on the idea that Trump CANNOT win.
But if we're going to proceed from that assumption, then HOW do you start a viable, long term, third party, and who is the right person to serve as the face of that party ? To me, that's a much, MUCH bigger question. It ain't Ted Cruz, it ain't Rubio, it ain't Romney.
So who has the name recogniztion and the non-Ron Paul-esque crank factor to actually get enough votes to influence the thinking of the larger electorate.
It would also be nice if said individual was not designated as an enemy of the state right out of the chute by the media.
Posted by: deadrody at May 05, 2016 03:03 PM (W15tP)
934
A lot of us would just like a 3rd party candidate so we don't have to choose between the power-hungry crook and the power-hungry sociopath.
So sign me up for those who want a third choice. If ever there was an election year, this is it. I will not go to the polls to vote either of these idiots into office. And I suspect - more than suspect - there will be a lot of people like me who will do the same.
So sign me up for those who want a third choice. If ever there was an election year, this is it. I will not go to the polls to vote either of these idiots into office. And I suspect - more than suspect - there will be a lot of people like me who will do the same.
Posted by: Sassy at May 05, 2016 03:04 PM (q7eWh)
935
"You are like that Japanese soldier hiding out in the brush who didn't know the war had ended for 40 years earlier."
Except we have elections every 4 years.
Obama won, too. did you stop fighting then?
Except we have elections every 4 years.
Obama won, too. did you stop fighting then?
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:04 PM (UBBWX)
936
Getting banned from Little Green Aceballs is like getting kicked out of the book of the month club.
You think I care?
You think I care?
Posted by: David Silver at May 05, 2016 03:04 PM (fTqyA)
937
Nood.
Posted by: HH at May 05, 2016 03:05 PM (DrCtv)
938
"He said he would listen to the generals. Any candidate would say the same."
Posted by: bjk
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Was that before or after he was going to send 30,000 troops to fight ISIS? Because I'm trying to figure out which part's the flip and which part's the flop. What's the current Trump position?
You listen to the generals to figure out if a war is winnable, and at what cost. If you're a true non-interventionist, it doesn't matter what the generals tell you. So what you're saying is that Trump won't get us into any wars... unless his generals think it's a good idea.
How the fuck is that non-interventionist?
Posted by: bjk
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Was that before or after he was going to send 30,000 troops to fight ISIS? Because I'm trying to figure out which part's the flip and which part's the flop. What's the current Trump position?
You listen to the generals to figure out if a war is winnable, and at what cost. If you're a true non-interventionist, it doesn't matter what the generals tell you. So what you're saying is that Trump won't get us into any wars... unless his generals think it's a good idea.
How the fuck is that non-interventionist?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:05 PM (aFa2V)
939
All of you crowing about Cruz' GS connections should look up "Steven Mnuchin"; he seems to be all over the news today...
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:05 PM (Y3C5w)
940
The Libertarian Party is open borders. But I don't think Gary Johnson is. Take a look at his Wikipedia page.
Posted by: chris not rock at May 05, 2016 03:06 PM (85X6y)
941
Here's what I want: someone who (1) thinks America has a right to exist, and to act in its own interest; and (2) has the steel to stand up to the threat of rioting and of media pariah status by the loony left; and (3) has a Tocqueville-ian vision of American democracy.
With Trump I get #1 and #2. With Cruz I get #3. Find me a candidate who has all three, and I'll vote for your third party. Sarah Palin is the only such one who comes to mind, and she's backing Trump.
I don't think what I'm looking for is what Sasse means by "70% solutions" though.
With Trump I get #1 and #2. With Cruz I get #3. Find me a candidate who has all three, and I'll vote for your third party. Sarah Palin is the only such one who comes to mind, and she's backing Trump.
I don't think what I'm looking for is what Sasse means by "70% solutions" though.
Posted by: joeclark77 at May 05, 2016 03:06 PM (5Sp2J)
942
"I'm not a big fan of the idea, generally, since it hands the election to Hillary on a platter, and I'm not sold on the idea that Trump CANNOT win."
I'm not saying go third party this year either. Its far too late.
I'm not saying go third party this year either. Its far too late.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:06 PM (UBBWX)
943
Geez, run your third party candidate already. Nobody is stopping you.
Have at it. Stop whining.
I want to see which brave politician wants to stand in front of the Trump Train next.
Some people never learn.
Have at it. Stop whining.
I want to see which brave politician wants to stand in front of the Trump Train next.
Some people never learn.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:07 PM (YZr92)
944
>>I have met customers like Trump. In the end, they always stiff you.
In the Trump lexicon, the operative word would be "schlong:"
"I have met customers like Trump. In the end, they always schlong you."
Doing my small part to keep the King's English clean...
In the Trump lexicon, the operative word would be "schlong:"
"I have met customers like Trump. In the end, they always schlong you."
Doing my small part to keep the King's English clean...
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 03:08 PM (Bdeb0)
945
Trump fans wanted to destroy the GOP.
Now that its looks like it might happen, they tell people "wait don't leave, vote for Trump and his best buddy, McConnel! don't let Hillary win!"
Now that its looks like it might happen, they tell people "wait don't leave, vote for Trump and his best buddy, McConnel! don't let Hillary win!"
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:08 PM (UBBWX)
946
I was pro-choice until my first child was born,i quickly became pro-life its not something you flip back on.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:54 PM (lKyWE)
Unless you are lying as a political expedient... like Trump.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 05, 2016 01:54 PM (lKyWE)
Unless you are lying as a political expedient... like Trump.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:08 PM (3JA/M)
947
941 Here's what I want: someone who (1) thinks America has a right to exist, and to act in its own interest; and (2) has the steel to stand up to the threat of rioting and of media pariah status by the loony left; and (3) has a Tocqueville-ian vision of American democracy.
With Trump I get #1 and #2. With Cruz I get #3.
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How is Cruz not #2? He was the best anti-Obamacare voice we had. He was pilloried for trying to get the government shut down over Obamacare. Did it anyway.
With Trump I get #1 and #2. With Cruz I get #3.
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How is Cruz not #2? He was the best anti-Obamacare voice we had. He was pilloried for trying to get the government shut down over Obamacare. Did it anyway.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:08 PM (A6sW3)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 03:09 PM (7nyS+)
949
>>"wait don't leave, vote for Trump and his best buddy, McConnel! don't let Hillary win!"
Leave. Vote for Hillary.
Leave. Vote for Hillary.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 03:09 PM (Bdeb0)
950
Can I get the Trump-voter spin on the New York Times editorial board meeting please? I want to hear the best defense of that.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:09 PM (aFa2V)
951
" All of you crowing about Cruz' GS connections should look up "Steven Mnuchin"; he seems to be all over the news today..."
Once Trump does something he's criticized others for, it becomes golden.
Neil Bush will be working Trump in a matter of weeks.
It will be okay by the Trump fans.
Once Trump does something he's criticized others for, it becomes golden.
Neil Bush will be working Trump in a matter of weeks.
It will be okay by the Trump fans.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:10 PM (UBBWX)
952
929 I don't see a 3rd party being the solution, but rather I would like to see an end to open primaries.
I see no reason why Democrats and Independents should be allowed to pick the "party leader" for a party that they don't believe in enough to join.
Posted by: unlawful party voter at May 05, 2016 03:01 PM (e8kgV)
I hear you and part of me agrees, but I'm sensitive to the thought that statewide elections are expensive and taxpayers shouldn't be saddled with the cost. Conventions, however, are too limiting; I was a delegate to the VA state GOP convention a couple of times and you had to drive halfway across the state and give up a weekend for it, and they were prone to takeovers by small, organized groups with little broad appeal.
I see no reason why Democrats and Independents should be allowed to pick the "party leader" for a party that they don't believe in enough to join.
Posted by: unlawful party voter at May 05, 2016 03:01 PM (e8kgV)
I hear you and part of me agrees, but I'm sensitive to the thought that statewide elections are expensive and taxpayers shouldn't be saddled with the cost. Conventions, however, are too limiting; I was a delegate to the VA state GOP convention a couple of times and you had to drive halfway across the state and give up a weekend for it, and they were prone to takeovers by small, organized groups with little broad appeal.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 03:10 PM (F26eZ)
953
Unless you are lying as a political expedient... like Trump.
Posted by: redbanzai
So different from every other political candidate.
Ever.
Unless you are lying as a political expedient... like Trump.
Posted by: redbanzai
So different from every other political candidate.
Ever.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 03:10 PM (7nyS+)
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:11 PM (3JA/M)
955
Preach it Ace!
Posted by: Lightsey at May 05, 2016 03:11 PM (9Arb/)
956
945 Trump fans wanted to destroy the GOP.
Now that its looks like it might happen, they tell people "wait don't leave, vote for Trump and his best buddy, McConnel! don't let Hillary win!"
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:08 PM (UBBWX)
You know what people are the furthest from the "Republican Establishment"? You know what we call them? Democrats.
Now that its looks like it might happen, they tell people "wait don't leave, vote for Trump and his best buddy, McConnel! don't let Hillary win!"
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:08 PM (UBBWX)
You know what people are the furthest from the "Republican Establishment"? You know what we call them? Democrats.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:12 PM (Y3C5w)
957
"So different from every other political candidate.
Ever."
Posted by: Mortimer
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If you show me a committed Christian with a pro-life voting record and a commitment to conservative constitutional principles, who has never been pro-choice in public life, I'm going to believe him when he tells me that he's pro-life.
If an atheist/agnostic who was pro-choice and liberal on most issues his entire political life, and now hasn't been doing a very good job of showing that he knows the basics of conservatism, I'm not going to take him at his word when he says he's pro-life...
...because I'm not a mark.
Be like me. Don't get played. Don't be a mark.
Ever."
Posted by: Mortimer
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If you show me a committed Christian with a pro-life voting record and a commitment to conservative constitutional principles, who has never been pro-choice in public life, I'm going to believe him when he tells me that he's pro-life.
If an atheist/agnostic who was pro-choice and liberal on most issues his entire political life, and now hasn't been doing a very good job of showing that he knows the basics of conservatism, I'm not going to take him at his word when he says he's pro-life...
...because I'm not a mark.
Be like me. Don't get played. Don't be a mark.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:13 PM (26zxJ)
958
950
Can I get the Trump-voter spin on the New York Times editorial board meeting please? I want to hear the best defense of that.Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:09 PM (aFa2V)
No. Get back to work.
Can I get the Trump-voter spin on the New York Times editorial board meeting please? I want to hear the best defense of that.Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:09 PM (aFa2V)
No. Get back to work.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (Bdeb0)
959
"Trump fans wanted to destroy the GOP."
Want to destroy the GOP?
Have you been living under a rock sir. The Republican held Congress has rammed through every morsel and tidbit of funding for every progressive wet dream that they, the progressives could not believe was actually handed to them and you think someone "wants to destroy" the GOP.
People like Sasse and Ryan will always talk with sugary goodness in their tone and then in the end fuq us like no other and/or have zero intention of actually giving a chit about anyone but their donor masters.
I been help building the GOP since Reagan. I feel it a responsibility and duty to destroy the Oligarchy that it's become and get it back in line to what it is suppose to be.
So while your over there electing Hillary via a vote or non vote. Others will be trying to break the ranks of the politburo that somehow eluded all of us as we put them into power.
Want to destroy the GOP?
Have you been living under a rock sir. The Republican held Congress has rammed through every morsel and tidbit of funding for every progressive wet dream that they, the progressives could not believe was actually handed to them and you think someone "wants to destroy" the GOP.
People like Sasse and Ryan will always talk with sugary goodness in their tone and then in the end fuq us like no other and/or have zero intention of actually giving a chit about anyone but their donor masters.
I been help building the GOP since Reagan. I feel it a responsibility and duty to destroy the Oligarchy that it's become and get it back in line to what it is suppose to be.
So while your over there electing Hillary via a vote or non vote. Others will be trying to break the ranks of the politburo that somehow eluded all of us as we put them into power.
Posted by: Drider at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (bdzyz)
960
"Cruz was and is all three of those... "
He has three citizenship's too - Canadian, Cuban, American.
Pro Tip: Next time run an eligible candidate who doesn't sound like two bit televangelist.
He has three citizenship's too - Canadian, Cuban, American.
Pro Tip: Next time run an eligible candidate who doesn't sound like two bit televangelist.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (YZr92)
961
This Ben Sasse guy ... he's a real moron. And I don't mean that in a good way.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (eXTZt)
962
The religious right that went all in for Cruz need to learn something: the country doesn't want your brand of fundamentalism. It's unlegislateable. You've tried it in Indiana and North Carolina and other places and you always have to back off.
Sorry to report this, but that's the America you live in. Change the world another way, not by legislation.
Sorry to report this, but that's the America you live in. Change the world another way, not by legislation.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:17 PM (eXTZt)
963
960 "Cruz was and is all three of those... "
He has three citizenship's too - Canadian, Cuban, American.
Pro Tip: Next time run an eligible candidate who doesn't sound like two bit televangelist.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (YZr92)
There it is
He has three citizenship's too - Canadian, Cuban, American.
Pro Tip: Next time run an eligible candidate who doesn't sound like two bit televangelist.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (YZr92)
There it is
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:18 PM (Y3C5w)
964
I just handled Misfortune & Pestilence in the fashion that his little-boy-cheering-a-baseball-hero idol Trump would: I manhandled him and banned him.
I'm tired of him, tired of the silly childish embarrassing Low-T hero worship, sick of the insults. He contributes nothing but shame of my species.
I'm tired of him, tired of the silly childish embarrassing Low-T hero worship, sick of the insults. He contributes nothing but shame of my species.
Posted by: ace at May 05, 2016 03:18 PM (dciA+)
965
He has three citizenship's too - Canadian, Cuban, American.
Pro Tip: Next time run an eligible candidate who doesn't sound like two bit televangelist.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (YZr92)
Cause your stupid criticisms of Cruz makes Trump a better candidate?
Pro Tip: Next time run an eligible candidate who doesn't sound like two bit televangelist.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:15 PM (YZr92)
Cause your stupid criticisms of Cruz makes Trump a better candidate?
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (3JA/M)
966
Today on his program, Limbaugh highlighted an extremely important aspect of Trump's comment that he would be open to considering an increase in the minimum wage.
Trump made that comment specifically in the context of responding to one of Bernie Sander's many demagogic proclamations on the minimum wage.
It was obvious that Trump was taking the first step in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield against Trump.
Sander's voters despise Hillary for her vote for and support of the Iraq War. And in that sense there is some simpatico between Sanders and Trump.
However, it's also true that most Sanders supporters could be made to feel morally obligated to vote against the GOP nominee once Hillary mercilessly pounded home the SOCIALIST notion that the poor are owed a pay raise in the form of a "Living Wage".
Against an unapologetic conservative ideologue (like me) who makes no apologies for wanting to abolish the unconstitutional minimum wage: Bernie Sanders voters would feel morally obligated to hold their noses and vote for the rancid Hillary.
NOT SO REGARDING TRUMP.
Many Sanders voters so detest Clinton for her support of the Iraq War and her Wall Street buddies that they will simply stay home on election day.
- That's called a suppressed base.
And Trump is going to make it very hard for Hillary to reverse that voter suppression by letting her rail away on issues like the "Living Wage".
Today on his program, Limbaugh highlighted an extremely important aspect of Trump's comment that he would be open to considering an increase in the minimum wage.
Trump made that comment specifically in the context of responding to one of Bernie Sander's many demagogic proclamations on the minimum wage.
It was obvious that Trump was taking the first step in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield against Trump.
Sander's voters despise Hillary for her vote for and support of the Iraq War. And in that sense there is some simpatico between Sanders and Trump.
However, it's also true that most Sanders supporters could be made to feel morally obligated to vote against the GOP nominee once Hillary mercilessly pounded home the SOCIALIST notion that the poor are owed a pay raise in the form of a "Living Wage".
Against an unapologetic conservative ideologue (like me) who makes no apologies for wanting to abolish the unconstitutional minimum wage: Bernie Sanders voters would feel morally obligated to hold their noses and vote for the rancid Hillary.
NOT SO REGARDING TRUMP.
Many Sanders voters so detest Clinton for her support of the Iraq War and her Wall Street buddies that they will simply stay home on election day.
- That's called a suppressed base.
And Trump is going to make it very hard for Hillary to reverse that voter suppression by letting her rail away on issues like the "Living Wage".
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (AhiRu)
967
962 The religious right that went all in for Cruz need to learn something: the country doesn't want your brand of fundamentalism. It's unlegislateable. You've tried it in Indiana and North Carolina and other places and you always have to back off.
Sorry to report this, but that's the America you live in. Change the world another way, not by legislation.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:17 PM (eXTZt)
I don't give a shit about his religion. I disagreed with him on most of those things. I want to dismantle all aspects of government and I want someone who respects, by in large, the Constitution. He has a blindspot, but at least he's not blind.
Sorry to report this, but that's the America you live in. Change the world another way, not by legislation.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:17 PM (eXTZt)
I don't give a shit about his religion. I disagreed with him on most of those things. I want to dismantle all aspects of government and I want someone who respects, by in large, the Constitution. He has a blindspot, but at least he's not blind.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (Y3C5w)
968
Here's the thing:
If you're a Trump supporter, you can excoriate me or anyone else here for not voting for your guy, but the probability is ZERO that our votes will tip this election. There is no chance at all that I will cast the deciding ballot. Nor is there a chance that you will cast the deciding ballot.
What our votes do indicate, however, is whether we're gullible or not. If I don't vote for Trump, the *worst* thing that happens is he turns out to be an authentic conservative, and I'm proved wrong. Okay, I was too cynical, not trusting enough.
If you vote for Trump, the worst thing that happens is that he turns out to be incredibly liberal. And that means that you sir are a sucker. A rube. A gullible fool.
I'd rather be a cynic than a rube.
If you're a Trump supporter, you can excoriate me or anyone else here for not voting for your guy, but the probability is ZERO that our votes will tip this election. There is no chance at all that I will cast the deciding ballot. Nor is there a chance that you will cast the deciding ballot.
What our votes do indicate, however, is whether we're gullible or not. If I don't vote for Trump, the *worst* thing that happens is he turns out to be an authentic conservative, and I'm proved wrong. Okay, I was too cynical, not trusting enough.
If you vote for Trump, the worst thing that happens is that he turns out to be incredibly liberal. And that means that you sir are a sucker. A rube. A gullible fool.
I'd rather be a cynic than a rube.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:21 PM (26zxJ)
969
"No. Get back to work."
I do agree with General Zod on this one.
Honestly, I love this politics stuff. Trump has been a godsend. I bitch about him, but its pure heroin for me.
But I'm self-employed and that kind of habit is expensive.
I do agree with General Zod on this one.
Honestly, I love this politics stuff. Trump has been a godsend. I bitch about him, but its pure heroin for me.
But I'm self-employed and that kind of habit is expensive.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:22 PM (UBBWX)
970
And Trump is going to make it very hard for Hillary to reverse that voter suppression by letting her rail away on issues like the "Living Wage".
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (AhiRu)
Yes, well "knowing what he know's now", Trump wouldn't have gone into Iraq (I think). He sure sounded like he would've then. He has good impulse control, so perhaps that's wrong.
Good on ya, Captain Hindsight!
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (AhiRu)
Yes, well "knowing what he know's now", Trump wouldn't have gone into Iraq (I think). He sure sounded like he would've then. He has good impulse control, so perhaps that's wrong.
Good on ya, Captain Hindsight!
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:22 PM (Y3C5w)
971
>>Many Sanders voters so detest Clinton for her support of the Iraq War
and her Wall Street buddies that they will simply stay home on election
day.
I hope you're right, but I don't think you are. I live in a blue-hive, and no liberal sin trumps (excuse the expression) loathing for the GOP. I'd bet they'll zombie-march to the polls for Mrs. Clinton in November.
and her Wall Street buddies that they will simply stay home on election
day.
I hope you're right, but I don't think you are. I live in a blue-hive, and no liberal sin trumps (excuse the expression) loathing for the GOP. I'd bet they'll zombie-march to the polls for Mrs. Clinton in November.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 03:23 PM (Bdeb0)
972
The religious right that went all in for Cruz need
to learn something: the country doesn't want your brand of
fundamentalism. It's unlegislateable. You've tried it in Indiana and
North Carolina and other places and you always have to back off.
Sorry to report this, but that's the America you live in. Change the world another way, not by legislation.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:17 PM (eXTZt)
I don't give a shit about his religion. I disagreed with him on
most of those things. I want to dismantle all aspects of government and
I want someone who respects, by in large, the Constitution. He has a
blindspot, but at least he's not blind.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (Y3C5w)
And then there is the fact that Max is mentioning cases were the religion of liberalism is imposing on everybody else and Cruz supported them leaving people the heck alone.
to learn something: the country doesn't want your brand of
fundamentalism. It's unlegislateable. You've tried it in Indiana and
North Carolina and other places and you always have to back off.
Sorry to report this, but that's the America you live in. Change the world another way, not by legislation.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:17 PM (eXTZt)
I don't give a shit about his religion. I disagreed with him on
most of those things. I want to dismantle all aspects of government and
I want someone who respects, by in large, the Constitution. He has a
blindspot, but at least he's not blind.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:20 PM (Y3C5w)
And then there is the fact that Max is mentioning cases were the religion of liberalism is imposing on everybody else and Cruz supported them leaving people the heck alone.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:24 PM (3JA/M)
973
"It was obvious that Trump was taking the first step in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield against Trump."
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
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So Trump's going to beat Clinton by making liberal promises that he has no intention to keep. Or as I call it, "lying."
Okay.
So tell me how it is that you know that Lyin' Donald is telling *you* the truth?
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
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So Trump's going to beat Clinton by making liberal promises that he has no intention to keep. Or as I call it, "lying."
Okay.
So tell me how it is that you know that Lyin' Donald is telling *you* the truth?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:24 PM (A6sW3)
974
Another Trump quote:
"Our businesses are being taken out of the country."
think about that for a moment.
Is that any different from "you didn't build it?"
My business is my business, not Trumps, not yours, and not America's.
Property rights matter.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:41 PM (UBBWX)
- - -
Dafuq?
That's some serious mental gymnastics you're performing there. Trump isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for continuing to do business in America's economy.
What a weird comparison.
"Our businesses are being taken out of the country."
think about that for a moment.
Is that any different from "you didn't build it?"
My business is my business, not Trumps, not yours, and not America's.
Property rights matter.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 02:41 PM (UBBWX)
- - -
Dafuq?
That's some serious mental gymnastics you're performing there. Trump isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for continuing to do business in America's economy.
What a weird comparison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (9VLhN)
975
And then there is the fact that Max is mentioning cases were the religion of liberalism is imposing on everybody else and Cruz supported them leaving people the heck alone.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:24 PM (3JA/M)
Or worse: someone who worships himself.
And then there is the fact that Max is mentioning cases were the religion of liberalism is imposing on everybody else and Cruz supported them leaving people the heck alone.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:24 PM (3JA/M)
Or worse: someone who worships himself.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (Y3C5w)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (YZr92)
977
I would be willing to run as a third party candidate if I have a steady supply of beano. Yea it's that bad.
Posted by: Gene Kelly at May 05, 2016 03:26 PM (xZc4z)
978
Dafuq?
That's some serious mental gymnastics you're performing there. Trump isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for continuing to do business in America's economy.
What a weird comparison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (9VLhN)
Well, we could concentrate on peeling back regulation, but that doesn't play well with nanny-staters.
That's some serious mental gymnastics you're performing there. Trump isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for continuing to do business in America's economy.
What a weird comparison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (9VLhN)
Well, we could concentrate on peeling back regulation, but that doesn't play well with nanny-staters.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:26 PM (Y3C5w)
979
Yeah, in all honesty I have no idea whether Trump would have made the decision to invade Iraq back in whatever it was 02' or 03'.
He may well have.
But that UNKNOWN is irrelevant to his foreign policy position now. - One that is decidedly Reaganesque / Buchananite. - That is, Trump has come out four square against foreign adventurism.
Trump is akin to the Founding Father's notion that we should NOT be seeking "monsters abroad" to slay.
I was a neocon. But I have renounced that folly.
Yeah, in all honesty I have no idea whether Trump would have made the decision to invade Iraq back in whatever it was 02' or 03'.
He may well have.
But that UNKNOWN is irrelevant to his foreign policy position now. - One that is decidedly Reaganesque / Buchananite. - That is, Trump has come out four square against foreign adventurism.
Trump is akin to the Founding Father's notion that we should NOT be seeking "monsters abroad" to slay.
I was a neocon. But I have renounced that folly.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:26 PM (AhiRu)
980
"It was obvious that Trump was taking the first step in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield against Trump."
Trump will eventually hint or even go for $15/hour.
He will negate Hillary by copying her.
Its pretty easy to do this. For a sales guy like Trump, its bread and butter.
Customers like X? I'll give them X!
I get what you are saying: he's just trying to inoculate himself. so, we have a contest...who will win?
Trump's pretty good at leaving wiggle room now. More and more like a real professional politician.
Maybe he can thread the circle as you suggest. I bet he gets pressed, and pressed, and pressed by the media. After all, they would love a Democrat vs. Democrat race.
Trump will eventually hint or even go for $15/hour.
He will negate Hillary by copying her.
Its pretty easy to do this. For a sales guy like Trump, its bread and butter.
Customers like X? I'll give them X!
I get what you are saying: he's just trying to inoculate himself. so, we have a contest...who will win?
Trump's pretty good at leaving wiggle room now. More and more like a real professional politician.
Maybe he can thread the circle as you suggest. I bet he gets pressed, and pressed, and pressed by the media. After all, they would love a Democrat vs. Democrat race.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX)
981
976 I'm a chick, Ace.
Trust me, you are the one with the low T here.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (YZr92)
Pictures, or it didn't happen.
Trust me, you are the one with the low T here.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (YZr92)
Pictures, or it didn't happen.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:27 PM (Y3C5w)
982
So Sasse is a Lutheran neocon Straussian = insufferable
Posted by: bjk at May 05, 2016 03:27 PM (WyOGB)
983
This country is so well and truly fucked. Ace is kina sidling up to the idea of, well, how do we actually try and start a viable third party. I know that isn't what the post really says, but that SHOULD be the real discussion here.
I'm not a big fan of the idea, generally, since it hands the election to Hillary on a platter, and I'm not sold on the idea that Trump CANNOT win.
But if we're going to proceed from that assumption, then HOW do you start a viable, long term, third party, and who is the right person to serve as the face of that party ? To me, that's a much, MUCH bigger question. It ain't Ted Cruz, it ain't Rubio, it ain't Romney.
So who has the name recogniztion and the non-Ron Paul-esque crank factor to actually get enough votes to influence the thinking of the larger electorate.
Posted by: deadrody at May 05, 2016 03:03 PM (W15tP)
I'm interested in this, too. Years ago, Ace had a post (I think it was a guest post, or based on info from a guest) that talked about how you get to power in a political party; it was in the context of the Tea Party getting involved in the GOP. The basic essence of it was a lot of showing up. I've seen this elsewhere, too, about Obama; his coalition did a lot more showing up in 2008 and 2012 than the GOP's did. Unfortunately Trump's coalition did a lot more showing up so far this cycle.
I suspect it's true for this idea, as well. Someone has to bite the bullet and take the lead- someone with name recognition has to be a candidate, and other people with understanding of these things have to make sure all the laws are being followed, and there has to be people at the local level who are getting signatures and holding meetings, even if those meetings are the organizer and one other person, and the whole enterprise has to be conducted with the understanding a best-case scenario is a few percentage points at most in the fall.
I'll say this, too- the picking of a candidate can't be undone by the same firing squad that got the other 16 candidates out against Trump. If Bill Kristol finds some retired Congressman to actually do it, then those backing the party can't turn on the guy just because it was Kristol who convinced him/her. Look at the Wikipedia page for any of the dozen or so existing minor parties, and almost all of them have had some sort of squabbles that wiped out any gains they'd had. The Prohibition Party, which hasn't managed more than a few hundred votes in decades, briefly split in two not that long ago over a few thousand dollars a year in trust income.
I'm not a big fan of the idea, generally, since it hands the election to Hillary on a platter, and I'm not sold on the idea that Trump CANNOT win.
But if we're going to proceed from that assumption, then HOW do you start a viable, long term, third party, and who is the right person to serve as the face of that party ? To me, that's a much, MUCH bigger question. It ain't Ted Cruz, it ain't Rubio, it ain't Romney.
So who has the name recogniztion and the non-Ron Paul-esque crank factor to actually get enough votes to influence the thinking of the larger electorate.
Posted by: deadrody at May 05, 2016 03:03 PM (W15tP)
I'm interested in this, too. Years ago, Ace had a post (I think it was a guest post, or based on info from a guest) that talked about how you get to power in a political party; it was in the context of the Tea Party getting involved in the GOP. The basic essence of it was a lot of showing up. I've seen this elsewhere, too, about Obama; his coalition did a lot more showing up in 2008 and 2012 than the GOP's did. Unfortunately Trump's coalition did a lot more showing up so far this cycle.
I suspect it's true for this idea, as well. Someone has to bite the bullet and take the lead- someone with name recognition has to be a candidate, and other people with understanding of these things have to make sure all the laws are being followed, and there has to be people at the local level who are getting signatures and holding meetings, even if those meetings are the organizer and one other person, and the whole enterprise has to be conducted with the understanding a best-case scenario is a few percentage points at most in the fall.
I'll say this, too- the picking of a candidate can't be undone by the same firing squad that got the other 16 candidates out against Trump. If Bill Kristol finds some retired Congressman to actually do it, then those backing the party can't turn on the guy just because it was Kristol who convinced him/her. Look at the Wikipedia page for any of the dozen or so existing minor parties, and almost all of them have had some sort of squabbles that wiped out any gains they'd had. The Prohibition Party, which hasn't managed more than a few hundred votes in decades, briefly split in two not that long ago over a few thousand dollars a year in trust income.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 03:27 PM (F26eZ)
984
"It was obvious that Trump was taking the first step
in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield
against Trump."
Trump will eventually hint or even go for $15/hour.
He will negate Hillary by copying her.
Its pretty easy to do this. For a sales guy like Trump, its bread and butter.
Customers like X? I'll give them X!
I get what you are saying: he's just trying to inoculate himself. so, we have a contest...who will win?
Trump's pretty good at leaving wiggle room now. More and more like a real professional politician.
Maybe he can thread the circle as you suggest. I bet he gets
pressed, and pressed, and pressed by the media. After all, they would
love a Democrat vs. Democrat race.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX)
I do not want candidates who beat liberals by promising the same bad stuff liberals do.
in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield
against Trump."
Trump will eventually hint or even go for $15/hour.
He will negate Hillary by copying her.
Its pretty easy to do this. For a sales guy like Trump, its bread and butter.
Customers like X? I'll give them X!
I get what you are saying: he's just trying to inoculate himself. so, we have a contest...who will win?
Trump's pretty good at leaving wiggle room now. More and more like a real professional politician.
Maybe he can thread the circle as you suggest. I bet he gets
pressed, and pressed, and pressed by the media. After all, they would
love a Democrat vs. Democrat race.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX)
I do not want candidates who beat liberals by promising the same bad stuff liberals do.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:28 PM (3JA/M)
985
980 "It was obvious that Trump was taking the first step in neutralizing an effective weapon that Clinton would like to wield against Trump."
---------
Well shit, why not take all of Hillary's positions?
---------
Well shit, why not take all of Hillary's positions?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:28 PM (26zxJ)
986
>>Or worse: someone who worships himself.
Zod has no objection to this (but then you knew Zod would say that. Zod's become predictable. So unfortunate).
Zod has no objection to this (but then you knew Zod would say that. Zod's become predictable. So unfortunate).
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 03:28 PM (Bdeb0)
987
That is, Trump has come out four square against foreign adventurism.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
--------------
Because sending 30,000 troops to fight ISIS isn't "foreign adventurism."
There is no excuse for you being this ignorant about the words that come out of Trump's mouth. None.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
--------------
Because sending 30,000 troops to fight ISIS isn't "foreign adventurism."
There is no excuse for you being this ignorant about the words that come out of Trump's mouth. None.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:29 PM (A6sW3)
988
>>Democrat race.
Ha! I was scrolling up, and saw only the phrase "Democrat race" as the end of the post, and thought, "huh. I always thought so, and someone must have done it--we can finally say that they're an entire *race* of people, which explains so much."
Thanks for the laugh.
Ha! I was scrolling up, and saw only the phrase "Democrat race" as the end of the post, and thought, "huh. I always thought so, and someone must have done it--we can finally say that they're an entire *race* of people, which explains so much."
Thanks for the laugh.
Posted by: General Zod at May 05, 2016 03:30 PM (Bdeb0)
989
Pete @ # 973,
Because Trump didn't lie regarding the minimum wage.
He didn't lay out a position (yesterday when responding to Sander's claim).
He said "we ought to look into it".
- And THEN he pivoted to the idea of creating business environments that will create much better paying jobs.
Does anyone really believe that (one way or the other) Trump has staked out a serious platform regarding the minimum wage?
He obviously has not.
But he will be damn sure that Hillary won't have that issue as a potent weapon to wield against him in the general election.
Pete @ # 973,
Because Trump didn't lie regarding the minimum wage.
He didn't lay out a position (yesterday when responding to Sander's claim).
He said "we ought to look into it".
- And THEN he pivoted to the idea of creating business environments that will create much better paying jobs.
Does anyone really believe that (one way or the other) Trump has staked out a serious platform regarding the minimum wage?
He obviously has not.
But he will be damn sure that Hillary won't have that issue as a potent weapon to wield against him in the general election.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:30 PM (AhiRu)
990
Pete @ 987,
Actually, there is no excuse for YOU having hot taken the time to listen (carefully) to the very clear and specific foreign policy speech Trump gave a couple weeks ago.
You see Trump for the dragon you want him to be. - Rather than the candidate he is.
So who is the one being ignorant here?
Pete @ 987,
Actually, there is no excuse for YOU having hot taken the time to listen (carefully) to the very clear and specific foreign policy speech Trump gave a couple weeks ago.
You see Trump for the dragon you want him to be. - Rather than the candidate he is.
So who is the one being ignorant here?
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:32 PM (AhiRu)
991
"That's some serious mental gymnastics you're performing there. Trump isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for continuing to do business in America's economy."
That's a pretty good argument. Except the world is now global.
So, your American guy will stay put, under threat, and then a fucking Mexican company will sell into the USA and the American guy goes under anyways.
Now, if you say "but we'll have 45% tarrifs!" well good luck. Other countries will retaliate. There won't be as much "winning" as you imagine.
There aren't purely American companies anymore. You can't wall off your economy and succeed.
Mercedes has a plant in Indiana that exports exclusively to China.
Your tariff wall will cause Chinese retaliation, and then Mercedes will move production back to Europe.
US companies that use imported components will get killed. Ag will get killed.
Should be fun.
That's a pretty good argument. Except the world is now global.
So, your American guy will stay put, under threat, and then a fucking Mexican company will sell into the USA and the American guy goes under anyways.
Now, if you say "but we'll have 45% tarrifs!" well good luck. Other countries will retaliate. There won't be as much "winning" as you imagine.
There aren't purely American companies anymore. You can't wall off your economy and succeed.
Mercedes has a plant in Indiana that exports exclusively to China.
Your tariff wall will cause Chinese retaliation, and then Mercedes will move production back to Europe.
US companies that use imported components will get killed. Ag will get killed.
Should be fun.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
992
That's some serious mental gymnastics you're performing there. Trump
isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're
going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to
exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for
continuing to do business in America's economy.
What a weird comparison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (9VLhN)
It is none of Trump's business (or yours) where companies choose to set up shop... any more than it is Trump's business (or mine) what employment opportunities you choose to take. Both decisions are based on what is most profitable (usually but not always a strictly monetary decision).
If you do not want Nike to be able to mandate that you work for them at a wage they alone get to set then you do not get to mandate to Nike where they set up their business.
What you could do in a free society is insist that regulatory barriers be eliminated so that Nike wants to locate here.
isn't saying you didn't build your business, he said that if you're
going move your American business to a country like fucking Mexico to
exploit cheap labor and regulation, expect to pay a steep price for
continuing to do business in America's economy.
What a weird comparison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 05, 2016 03:25 PM (9VLhN)
It is none of Trump's business (or yours) where companies choose to set up shop... any more than it is Trump's business (or mine) what employment opportunities you choose to take. Both decisions are based on what is most profitable (usually but not always a strictly monetary decision).
If you do not want Nike to be able to mandate that you work for them at a wage they alone get to set then you do not get to mandate to Nike where they set up their business.
What you could do in a free society is insist that regulatory barriers be eliminated so that Nike wants to locate here.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:34 PM (3JA/M)
993
"I know I feel exactly the same way about everything that I did 17 years ago.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:43 PM (xuouz) "
17 years ago you were 8. Trump was an adult with calcified beliefs. But I'm sure his change of heart was in good faith, just like Obama's views on gay marriage, right?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 01:43 PM (xuouz) "
17 years ago you were 8. Trump was an adult with calcified beliefs. But I'm sure his change of heart was in good faith, just like Obama's views on gay marriage, right?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 05, 2016 03:34 PM (kumBu)
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:35 PM (UBBWX)
995
US companies that use imported components will get killed. Ag will get killed.
Should be fun.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
Imported components, processed materials like steel, etc.
Should be fun.
Posted by: Harun at May 05, 2016 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
Imported components, processed materials like steel, etc.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:35 PM (Y3C5w)
996
"Well, we could concentrate on peeling back regulation, but that doesn't play well with nanny-staters."
Concentrating on 'peeling back regulation' when your country already has no effective and uniform regulations except by busybodies or motivated tax agents, and the thug liberal clients get official and unofficial exemptions: SAD!
Concentrating on 'peeling back regulation' when your country already has no effective and uniform regulations except by busybodies or motivated tax agents, and the thug liberal clients get official and unofficial exemptions: SAD!
Posted by: Dystopia Max at May 05, 2016 03:36 PM (61Gds)
997
Not insightful. You blather. Just leave me the hell alone. Really? Like that's ever gonna happen. It's either Trump or Clinton, pick one.
Posted by: prr at May 05, 2016 03:36 PM (5lCl9)
998
"Actually, there is no excuse for YOU having hot taken the time to listen (carefully) to the very clear and specific foreign policy speech Trump gave a couple weeks ago. "
---------------------------
Was that before or after he said he wanted 30,000 troops to fight ISIS?
Because I want to know what the current position is. Little help?
---------------------------
Was that before or after he said he wanted 30,000 troops to fight ISIS?
Because I want to know what the current position is. Little help?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:36 PM (aFa2V)
999
Not insightful. You blather. Just leave me the hell
alone. Really? Like that's ever gonna happen. It's either Trump or
Clinton, pick one.
Posted by: prr at May 05, 2016 03:36 PM (5lCl9)
No
alone. Really? Like that's ever gonna happen. It's either Trump or
Clinton, pick one.
Posted by: prr at May 05, 2016 03:36 PM (5lCl9)
No
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 03:37 PM (3JA/M)
1000
"I just handled Misfortune & Pestilence in the fashion that his little-boy-cheering-a-baseball-hero idol Trump would: I manhandled him and banned him."
You missed, I guess. LOL
I'm the tall blond over here -------------> X
You missed, I guess. LOL
I'm the tall blond over here -------------> X
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:37 PM (YZr92)
1001
The Trump Train in picking up speed. Get on board, everyone!
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:38 PM (eXTZt)
1002
Once again, anyone who believes Trump is a liberal has allowed their frustration over this very bruising nomination process to so distort their perception of Trump that they end up utterly mischaracterizing him - because they have figured out no other way to deal with their anger.
Trump is obviously NOT a liberal.
Plenty of bright-light conservatives have starkly stated as much.
Limbaugh. Hannity. Coulter. Buchanan. Ingram.
Hell, even neocons like Krauthammer have stated that Trump is obviously not a liberal.
Do you really think you understand Trump's candidacy so much better than those tried-and-true hands as to believe they are all fools?
Please stop and think about it.
Once again, anyone who believes Trump is a liberal has allowed their frustration over this very bruising nomination process to so distort their perception of Trump that they end up utterly mischaracterizing him - because they have figured out no other way to deal with their anger.
Trump is obviously NOT a liberal.
Plenty of bright-light conservatives have starkly stated as much.
Limbaugh. Hannity. Coulter. Buchanan. Ingram.
Hell, even neocons like Krauthammer have stated that Trump is obviously not a liberal.
Do you really think you understand Trump's candidacy so much better than those tried-and-true hands as to believe they are all fools?
Please stop and think about it.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:38 PM (AhiRu)
1003
I'm not going to join up with a cause that says we defeat the authoritarianism of the left with an authoritarianism of the right. Have the Trump supporters EVER said what he advocates is dangerous? Anything at all? Internment of Americans in WWII? Killing the children of terrorists? Openly torturing terrorists? Telling the military to violate the law and if they don't insist they do? I've not read them complain about this nonsense.
The Trump supporters - the vocal ones - say do anything to win. If you don't agree then you're just as bad as a Hillary supporter. Just win. Lie, cheat, steal, be dishonest, call names, attack. Win. Then gain power and run rougshod over the liberals and those establishment Republicans.
The tactics of the left must be used to defeat them.
Not me.
The Trump supporters - the vocal ones - say do anything to win. If you don't agree then you're just as bad as a Hillary supporter. Just win. Lie, cheat, steal, be dishonest, call names, attack. Win. Then gain power and run rougshod over the liberals and those establishment Republicans.
The tactics of the left must be used to defeat them.
Not me.
Posted by: SteveMG at May 05, 2016 03:38 PM (G1H9X)
1004
"Does anyone really believe that (one way or the other) Trump has staked out a serious platform regarding the minimum wage?"
---------
Well, *you* are counting on Sanders' voters believing that he might raise the minimum wage. You're counting on the Sanders voters getting swindled. So yes, someone does, according to you.
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Well, *you* are counting on Sanders' voters believing that he might raise the minimum wage. You're counting on the Sanders voters getting swindled. So yes, someone does, according to you.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:39 PM (26zxJ)
1005
Which box of cereal do I buy to get the Trump decoder ring?
Which of his promises are lies carefully crafted to cut Hillary off at the pass, and which are his 'core beliefs'?
Which of his promises are lies carefully crafted to cut Hillary off at the pass, and which are his 'core beliefs'?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 05, 2016 03:40 PM (kumBu)
1006
Plenty of bright-light conservatives have starkly stated as much.
Limbaugh. Hannity. Coulter. Buchanan. Ingram.
--------------
Hannity? Hannity? Hannity's a bright-light?
Sean Hannity is a cement-head.
Limbaugh. Hannity. Coulter. Buchanan. Ingram.
--------------
Hannity? Hannity? Hannity's a bright-light?
Sean Hannity is a cement-head.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:40 PM (A6sW3)
1007
Fair enough Pete @ 998.
Trump gave his foreign policy speech on April 27. Here is the Youtube link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8RqLN3Qao
Would you please provide a Youtube link to Trump's statement about the troops to fight Isis so that I have context?
Fair enough Pete @ 998.
Trump gave his foreign policy speech on April 27. Here is the Youtube link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8RqLN3Qao
Would you please provide a Youtube link to Trump's statement about the troops to fight Isis so that I have context?
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:41 PM (AhiRu)
1008
You missed, I guess. LOL
I'm the tall blond over here -------------> X
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:37 PM (YZr92)
Oooo...ooo....can we keep her? Tall blond...mmm...
I'm the tall blond over here -------------> X
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:37 PM (YZr92)
Oooo...ooo....can we keep her? Tall blond...mmm...
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:41 PM (Y3C5w)
1009
Ace, it looks like the ban didn't take. Perhaps this requires a more aggressive course of treatment.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 05, 2016 03:41 PM (kumBu)
1010
1001 The Trump Train in picking up speed. Get on board, everyone!
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:38 PM (eXTZt)
That'd be the Gravy Train.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2016 03:38 PM (eXTZt)
That'd be the Gravy Train.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 03:42 PM (Y3C5w)
1011
Ace never misses on bans. Next you'll tell me he once banned himself!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 05, 2016 03:42 PM (kumBu)
1012
"Which of his promises are lies carefully crafted to cut Hillary off at the pass, and which are his 'core beliefs'?"
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
------------
Easy, my friend! The stuff you like - those are my convictions. I will fight until my last breath for those. The things you don't like - I'm just pulling one over on the gullible morons who aren't you. And if you change your mind on an issue, I'm right there with you.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
------------
Easy, my friend! The stuff you like - those are my convictions. I will fight until my last breath for those. The things you don't like - I'm just pulling one over on the gullible morons who aren't you. And if you change your mind on an issue, I'm right there with you.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:42 PM (A6sW3)
1013
You ought to change it to Steamin' Pete - because you are illustrating my point perfectly that conservatives against Trump are so frustrated by his securing the nomination that they can't see straight.
Listen to the things you're saying.
You're just angry.
You ought to change it to Steamin' Pete - because you are illustrating my point perfectly that conservatives against Trump are so frustrated by his securing the nomination that they can't see straight.
Listen to the things you're saying.
You're just angry.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:43 PM (AhiRu)
1014
Trump can "earn" my vote when doctors announced that they've removed a brain tumor that was activating the Asshole Tourette's center of his brain.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 05, 2016 03:43 PM (k8tEg)
1015
"We have to knock them out fast"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-massive-ground-force-may-be-needed-to-fight-isis/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-massive-ground-force-may-be-needed-to-fight-isis/
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:43 PM (26zxJ)
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:45 PM (AhiRu)
1017
I don't know how viable something like this as anything more than a write-in protest unless someone at least slightly well-known steps forward to do it. Some recently retired congressman, maybe. But they've got to say, I'm former Congressman X XX and the interests of Americans who just want to be left alone aren't being paid attention to and I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm running under the Freedom Party banner.
And then we go out and we get signatures to get that person on the ballot and we send in money and hold meetings and some of us run for office on that banner.
And then we go out and we get signatures to get that person on the ballot and we send in money and hold meetings and some of us run for office on that banner.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 03:48 PM (F26eZ)
1018
Listen to the things you're saying.
You're just angry.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
-------------------
Here's the thing: I want a conservative to win the election. If I can be convinced that Trump is a conservative, I can vote for him. So I'm practically *begging* you guys to show me that he's not a goddamned liar.
And all I'm hearing is some variation on "well, he's not going to lie to *you*. He'll lie to other people, but not to you. And the positions he takes today are his real ones that he believes with his whole heart. Anything he said in the past is ancient history."
I'm sorry, but I'm not a chump. I don't get swindled. I understand that you like the guy, but come on. He's taken so many positions on so many issues over the years that you need to understand my skepticism. And you need to do a much better job of showing me why I should believe that what Trump says tomorrow isn't going to be the opposite of what he says today.
You're just angry.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
-------------------
Here's the thing: I want a conservative to win the election. If I can be convinced that Trump is a conservative, I can vote for him. So I'm practically *begging* you guys to show me that he's not a goddamned liar.
And all I'm hearing is some variation on "well, he's not going to lie to *you*. He'll lie to other people, but not to you. And the positions he takes today are his real ones that he believes with his whole heart. Anything he said in the past is ancient history."
I'm sorry, but I'm not a chump. I don't get swindled. I understand that you like the guy, but come on. He's taken so many positions on so many issues over the years that you need to understand my skepticism. And you need to do a much better job of showing me why I should believe that what Trump says tomorrow isn't going to be the opposite of what he says today.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 03:49 PM (A6sW3)
1019
"Ace never misses on bans."
Maybe he did ban himself.
Well, I've got other things to do. I can sit here all day waiting to get properly banned.
Afternoon, all.
Maybe he did ban himself.
Well, I've got other things to do. I can sit here all day waiting to get properly banned.
Afternoon, all.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 05, 2016 03:51 PM (YZr92)
1020
We've got what's coming to us.
The GOP voter was offered at least two good choices.
Scott Walker was a PROVEN governor with a successful record and a proven history of defeating the Democrat machine repeatedly.
Ted Cruz, behind all the Trumpzi bullshit, has a PROVEN record of standing up for the rights of Americans in his Supreme Court briefs, and of pissing off all the people in the GOP leadership we claim to hate.
Instead we dithered around with a cop-killing buffoon from Fox, an overage urchin from Florida who couldn't WAIT to screw over his voters and throw in with the opposition, a guy from Ohio with anger-management issues and a weird eating disorder...
...and a TV game show character with a proven history of bankruptcies, failed businesses and huge outstanding commitments to the big money men in NY he pretends to condemn, who licenses his good name to crap products he would never use himself, a personal history of divorces, philandery, and sexual harrassment, a history of racist and sexist comments well documents in print and video, a near-total lack of knowledge of our government principles and processes, an inabiity to form a coherent sentence, and a gift for insults shouted with red-faced vigor.
We know who we picked. Some of us inexplicably believe that this mountebank will actually pick up states the GOP has not won in years, because more of ours voted in the primaries than theirs, in spite of the fact that we are still heavily outnumbered in those states.
Either way, now we all get to live with it.
The GOP voter was offered at least two good choices.
Scott Walker was a PROVEN governor with a successful record and a proven history of defeating the Democrat machine repeatedly.
Ted Cruz, behind all the Trumpzi bullshit, has a PROVEN record of standing up for the rights of Americans in his Supreme Court briefs, and of pissing off all the people in the GOP leadership we claim to hate.
Instead we dithered around with a cop-killing buffoon from Fox, an overage urchin from Florida who couldn't WAIT to screw over his voters and throw in with the opposition, a guy from Ohio with anger-management issues and a weird eating disorder...
...and a TV game show character with a proven history of bankruptcies, failed businesses and huge outstanding commitments to the big money men in NY he pretends to condemn, who licenses his good name to crap products he would never use himself, a personal history of divorces, philandery, and sexual harrassment, a history of racist and sexist comments well documents in print and video, a near-total lack of knowledge of our government principles and processes, an inabiity to form a coherent sentence, and a gift for insults shouted with red-faced vigor.
We know who we picked. Some of us inexplicably believe that this mountebank will actually pick up states the GOP has not won in years, because more of ours voted in the primaries than theirs, in spite of the fact that we are still heavily outnumbered in those states.
Either way, now we all get to live with it.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 05, 2016 03:52 PM (Kucy5)
1021
1014 Can't be done. They mistakenly removed what was left of the brain around the tumor last time.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 05, 2016 03:54 PM (Kucy5)
1022
#18 Trump may be Fifth Column, but not Third Party.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 05, 2016 03:57 PM (Kucy5)
1023
Okay Pete,
I read Trump's statement at the link you provided. The sound bite did not pertain to the headline. (It was Major Garret getting Trump to restate what he meant by Islam having "great hatred" for the US.)
But that's okay because I think the printed statement is sufficient.
So here's my answer.
First of all, Trump made the troop statement BEFORE (on March 11) he crafted and delivered his foreign policy speech (April 27).
Second, apparently it was in the heat of the debate and so understandably it was short on specifics. As far as I can tell, Trump didn't that it would need to be a 100% US ground force effort.
If he chose to followup on the idea as president, Trump could easily seek to use NATO or some coalition to fight ISIS on the ground in masse.
More importantly, ISIS is not a country that needs invading.
So there's not much "there", there in the statement to begin with.
But what he said does not violate the foreign policy speech principles he laid out - more than a month after his off the cuff debate comments.
Okay Pete,
I read Trump's statement at the link you provided. The sound bite did not pertain to the headline. (It was Major Garret getting Trump to restate what he meant by Islam having "great hatred" for the US.)
But that's okay because I think the printed statement is sufficient.
So here's my answer.
First of all, Trump made the troop statement BEFORE (on March 11) he crafted and delivered his foreign policy speech (April 27).
Second, apparently it was in the heat of the debate and so understandably it was short on specifics. As far as I can tell, Trump didn't that it would need to be a 100% US ground force effort.
If he chose to followup on the idea as president, Trump could easily seek to use NATO or some coalition to fight ISIS on the ground in masse.
More importantly, ISIS is not a country that needs invading.
So there's not much "there", there in the statement to begin with.
But what he said does not violate the foreign policy speech principles he laid out - more than a month after his off the cuff debate comments.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 03:58 PM (AhiRu)
1024
Great post Ace - it is exactly how I feel.
Trump supporters: everyone's job during the primaries was to choose someone that enough fellow Republicans would support. You made a bad choice - plain and simple. I've been hearing "never Trump" during this entire primary so no one can say they are surprised.
I know lots of people that absolutely will not vote for Trump due to principles or moral reasons. I know others, now including me as of a few days ago, that aren't going to vote for him after listening to Trump supporters on the radio and in sections like this.
If you understood the post, you'd realize that people don't have to support the chosen candidate because they want an R to win. I'm not in this to elect Rs, I'm in this for more freedom.
It is guaranteed that a lot of Rs are not going to vote for him, but perhaps enough Ds will. I'm not sure what that says about him.
Trump supporters: everyone's job during the primaries was to choose someone that enough fellow Republicans would support. You made a bad choice - plain and simple. I've been hearing "never Trump" during this entire primary so no one can say they are surprised.
I know lots of people that absolutely will not vote for Trump due to principles or moral reasons. I know others, now including me as of a few days ago, that aren't going to vote for him after listening to Trump supporters on the radio and in sections like this.
If you understood the post, you'd realize that people don't have to support the chosen candidate because they want an R to win. I'm not in this to elect Rs, I'm in this for more freedom.
It is guaranteed that a lot of Rs are not going to vote for him, but perhaps enough Ds will. I'm not sure what that says about him.
Posted by: free at May 05, 2016 04:02 PM (z+cd2)
1025
"I would find Sasse's positions more persuasive and his advocacy of the same more credible had he not gleefully joined in on the Unpeopling of Trump supporters."
*checks Trumpzis in Twitter stream*
Those howler monkeys are people?
*checks Trumpzis in Twitter stream*
Those howler monkeys are people?
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 05, 2016 04:05 PM (Kucy5)
1026
Pete @ 1018,
I can't convince you (or anyone) that Trump is a conservative. Because as a conservative, I know that is not.
Trump does, however, champion crucially important conservative positions. At the top of the list is stopping the Illegal Immigration Crisis - which will eventually destroy America. And that's not an exaggeration.
In statements made yesterday and today (as the general election has unofficially kicked off), Trump has NOT backed away from his stance on border security. And he has already (now that the nomination is his) given a prominent media interview criticizing Hillary for being weak on border security.
Trump is obviously not a liberal. He's right of center. And some damned important issues, he's as conservative as they come.
Pete @ 1018,
I can't convince you (or anyone) that Trump is a conservative. Because as a conservative, I know that is not.
Trump does, however, champion crucially important conservative positions. At the top of the list is stopping the Illegal Immigration Crisis - which will eventually destroy America. And that's not an exaggeration.
In statements made yesterday and today (as the general election has unofficially kicked off), Trump has NOT backed away from his stance on border security. And he has already (now that the nomination is his) given a prominent media interview criticizing Hillary for being weak on border security.
Trump is obviously not a liberal. He's right of center. And some damned important issues, he's as conservative as they come.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:06 PM (AhiRu)
1027
A decision on who to get to run and whether it will be an independent candidate, or an actual third party, has to be made soon, too. If not, it's going to be hard to get people to coalesce. Some will go libertarian, a few will go constitution, and most will probably just stop paying attention.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 04:08 PM (F26eZ)
1028
"First of all, Trump made the troop statement BEFORE (on March 11) he crafted and delivered his foreign policy speech (April 27). "
Yeah. He changed positions. This isn't his current stated position. My big problem here is not with his current position. It's that he changes radically from one month to the next without explanation. How do we know that this is the *final* Trump position? I mean, that's what's so weird about these discussions. We don't even get to debating the merits of Trump's positions. We spend all our time trying to figure figure out just what in the fuck his positions are.
"Second, apparently it was in the heat of the debate and so understandably it was short on specifics. As far as I can tell, Trump didn't that it would need to be a 100% US ground force effort. "
Wait: "the heat of the debate"? Come on. His plan for ISIS should have been thought-out and memorized in advance. That's a question that everyone knew was coming. He didn't get tripped up on something obscure. All this tells me is that Trump doesn't do his homework.
"More importantly, ISIS is not a country that needs invading."
Well, Trump thought it was back in March. Now... he doesn't? I guess? The point here is that you've offered me absolutely nothing that helps me to believe that Trump is honest or that the won't change his position on anything in a month.
Yeah. He changed positions. This isn't his current stated position. My big problem here is not with his current position. It's that he changes radically from one month to the next without explanation. How do we know that this is the *final* Trump position? I mean, that's what's so weird about these discussions. We don't even get to debating the merits of Trump's positions. We spend all our time trying to figure figure out just what in the fuck his positions are.
"Second, apparently it was in the heat of the debate and so understandably it was short on specifics. As far as I can tell, Trump didn't that it would need to be a 100% US ground force effort. "
Wait: "the heat of the debate"? Come on. His plan for ISIS should have been thought-out and memorized in advance. That's a question that everyone knew was coming. He didn't get tripped up on something obscure. All this tells me is that Trump doesn't do his homework.
"More importantly, ISIS is not a country that needs invading."
Well, Trump thought it was back in March. Now... he doesn't? I guess? The point here is that you've offered me absolutely nothing that helps me to believe that Trump is honest or that the won't change his position on anything in a month.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:09 PM (aFa2V)
1029
Free @ # 1024,
I haven't noticed anyone insisting they can control (or should be allowed to control) your or anyone else's vote.
There is a question as to what is in the best interest of the country and conservative movement.
If you think letting Hillary waltz into the White House.... well, that speaks to your judgment. - NOT OURS.
You explicitly mentioned that how one votes in the general election is a matter of principle.
So I'm curious.
When your voting principles are stacked up against Hillary Clinton, which one wins?
Free @ # 1024,
I haven't noticed anyone insisting they can control (or should be allowed to control) your or anyone else's vote.
There is a question as to what is in the best interest of the country and conservative movement.
If you think letting Hillary waltz into the White House.... well, that speaks to your judgment. - NOT OURS.
You explicitly mentioned that how one votes in the general election is a matter of principle.
So I'm curious.
When your voting principles are stacked up against Hillary Clinton, which one wins?
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:11 PM (AhiRu)
1030
"Trump has NOT backed away from his stance on border security."
Well, not on the record. But what's your take on the New York Times editorial board interview?
"I can't convince you (or anyone) that Trump is a conservative. Because as a conservative, I know that is not. Trump does, however, champion crucially important conservative positions."
I'm glad you can admit that he's not a conservative. Now the next step is to convince me that despite the fact that he's not a conservative, his articulation of some conservative positions is not just a ruse to get my vote. Simply put, I don't trust a non-conservative to do conservative things unless I have some way to hold his feet to the fire. And once he's elected, I have no leverage at all over him. He'll do what he wants.
Well, not on the record. But what's your take on the New York Times editorial board interview?
"I can't convince you (or anyone) that Trump is a conservative. Because as a conservative, I know that is not. Trump does, however, champion crucially important conservative positions."
I'm glad you can admit that he's not a conservative. Now the next step is to convince me that despite the fact that he's not a conservative, his articulation of some conservative positions is not just a ruse to get my vote. Simply put, I don't trust a non-conservative to do conservative things unless I have some way to hold his feet to the fire. And once he's elected, I have no leverage at all over him. He'll do what he wants.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:14 PM (26zxJ)
1031
Pete,
He said a popular thing in a GOP debate in an off the cuff remark: let's go kick us some ISIS butt.
Big surprise, everyone on both the left and the right want to see ISIS get destroyed. - And that's everyone's position.
But there is a big difference between an off the cuff remark in a debate and a carefully crafted foreign policy speech.
If he were to stake out a SUBSTANTIALLY new position on foreign policy after giving that speech, he'd be handing his general election opponent a powerful weapon.
So he's not going to do that. Let's watch and listen. As a Trump Supporter, I claim that the Donald is going to double down on the principles in that speech again and again between now and election day. He's going to POUND Clinton on her vote to invade Iraq.
So, yes, I'd say it's obvious that Trump is wholly committed to the clear and specific principles he provided in his speech.
As to your claim that Trump didn't know that ISIS is not a country....
C'mon, man. Really.
Pete,
He said a popular thing in a GOP debate in an off the cuff remark: let's go kick us some ISIS butt.
Big surprise, everyone on both the left and the right want to see ISIS get destroyed. - And that's everyone's position.
But there is a big difference between an off the cuff remark in a debate and a carefully crafted foreign policy speech.
If he were to stake out a SUBSTANTIALLY new position on foreign policy after giving that speech, he'd be handing his general election opponent a powerful weapon.
So he's not going to do that. Let's watch and listen. As a Trump Supporter, I claim that the Donald is going to double down on the principles in that speech again and again between now and election day. He's going to POUND Clinton on her vote to invade Iraq.
So, yes, I'd say it's obvious that Trump is wholly committed to the clear and specific principles he provided in his speech.
As to your claim that Trump didn't know that ISIS is not a country....
C'mon, man. Really.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:18 PM (AhiRu)
1032
It's also a matter of ballot access. Everyone talked about Texas' deadline and other requirements making it hard for a GOP candidate to drop out of the presidential race and get on the ballot there, but other states will have deadlines coming up. On some of them, the signature requirements are high enough that professional organizers are necessary.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 04:19 PM (F26eZ)
1033
Pete,
Once ANYONE gets elected, you have no sway over them. They can do what they want. Theoretically, they only have to answer to the Constitution. (Though that appears to be less and less the case.)
There's no reason to trust a rumor floated by 'someone' over at The New York Slimes that is designed to hurt Trump.
- Forget independent verification. There has never been ANY verification that Trump backpedaled on his border security position.
But why is it so hard that the Slimes would like his supporters to believe he has? Why is it so hard to believe that the Slimes would like to hurt Trump's election chances?
Pete,
Once ANYONE gets elected, you have no sway over them. They can do what they want. Theoretically, they only have to answer to the Constitution. (Though that appears to be less and less the case.)
There's no reason to trust a rumor floated by 'someone' over at The New York Slimes that is designed to hurt Trump.
- Forget independent verification. There has never been ANY verification that Trump backpedaled on his border security position.
But why is it so hard that the Slimes would like his supporters to believe he has? Why is it so hard to believe that the Slimes would like to hurt Trump's election chances?
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:23 PM (AhiRu)
1034
The problem with a third party now is that it's at the last minute. To win a presidential election, you need an organization. You need money. Hell, you need to be on the ballot.
I lean #nevertrump. The man is vile. He is a bully. His views on The a First Amendment and Emminent Domain tell me this is a bad guy.
But then we have the other side. If her bunch gets to stay 4 more years, the damage will be greater and longer lasting. With Trump, we can minimize his errors.
Hopefully.
I still don't know what to do. I really want a mulligan for this election.
I lean #nevertrump. The man is vile. He is a bully. His views on The a First Amendment and Emminent Domain tell me this is a bad guy.
But then we have the other side. If her bunch gets to stay 4 more years, the damage will be greater and longer lasting. With Trump, we can minimize his errors.
Hopefully.
I still don't know what to do. I really want a mulligan for this election.
Posted by: Bill at May 05, 2016 04:28 PM (/3xAX)
1035
"Once ANYONE gets elected, you have no sway over them. They can do what they want. Theoretically, they only have to answer to the Constitution. (Though that appears to be less and less the case.)"
...which is why it's critical to me that I only vote for someone I can trust. Because voting for someone is an act of trust, and Trump is not trustworthy.
"There's no reason to trust a rumor floated by 'someone' over at The New York Slimes that is designed to hurt Trump."
Trump can tell the Times to put the meeting back on the record. Or at least the immigration part. He hasn't. He won't. Because he's lying to you about the Wall.
If someone leaked lies about something I said in an off-the-record meeting, I'd demand that the relevant portions be released. I would be attacking those people hammer-and-tongs. And what did Trump do in response?
...which is why it's critical to me that I only vote for someone I can trust. Because voting for someone is an act of trust, and Trump is not trustworthy.
"There's no reason to trust a rumor floated by 'someone' over at The New York Slimes that is designed to hurt Trump."
Trump can tell the Times to put the meeting back on the record. Or at least the immigration part. He hasn't. He won't. Because he's lying to you about the Wall.
If someone leaked lies about something I said in an off-the-record meeting, I'd demand that the relevant portions be released. I would be attacking those people hammer-and-tongs. And what did Trump do in response?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:29 PM (aFa2V)
1036
Pete,
What I say next, you're going to find hard to believe. I know this because practically everyone I discuss contentious topics with in 'offline life' finds it hard to believe.
I'm not interested in convincing anyone of anything. I don't think I have been since I was about 17 years old. (-About seven or eight months ago. Kidding.)
Convincing is the job of a lawyer before jurists.
I'm only interested in examining positions and testing them for accuracy and consistency. Both my own and others.
That's it.
In the process, I occasionally find a problem with a position I have adopted. And then I seek to make a change. I either adjust my position or I abandon it.
- But that's all on me. No one can "convince" me to do it.
If in the process of dialogue, others reconsider parts of their positions, I'm fine with that.
- But that's all on them.
Pete,
What I say next, you're going to find hard to believe. I know this because practically everyone I discuss contentious topics with in 'offline life' finds it hard to believe.
I'm not interested in convincing anyone of anything. I don't think I have been since I was about 17 years old. (-About seven or eight months ago. Kidding.)
Convincing is the job of a lawyer before jurists.
I'm only interested in examining positions and testing them for accuracy and consistency. Both my own and others.
That's it.
In the process, I occasionally find a problem with a position I have adopted. And then I seek to make a change. I either adjust my position or I abandon it.
- But that's all on me. No one can "convince" me to do it.
If in the process of dialogue, others reconsider parts of their positions, I'm fine with that.
- But that's all on them.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:29 PM (AhiRu)
1037
"He said a popular thing in a GOP debate in an off the cuff remark: let's go kick us some ISIS butt."
So he wasn't prepared for a question that everyone knew was coming, and he then pandered?
You're not convincing me that Donald Trump is a guy who won't tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear.
So he wasn't prepared for a question that everyone knew was coming, and he then pandered?
You're not convincing me that Donald Trump is a guy who won't tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:31 PM (26zxJ)
1038
"I'm only interested in examining positions and testing them for accuracy and consistency. Both my own and others."
And your conclusion is that Trump is consistent?
This whole testing-for-consistency thing? I don't think you're very good at it
And your conclusion is that Trump is consistent?
This whole testing-for-consistency thing? I don't think you're very good at it
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:33 PM (A6sW3)
1039
1034 The problem with a third party now is that it's at the last minute. To win a presidential election, you need an organization. You need money. Hell, you need to be on the ballot.
Posted by: Bill at May 05, 2016 04:28 PM (/3xAX)
Oh, it's not to win. No way that's happening. Best case is a few points, maybe come in 3rd ahead of the LP. But given the mood around Trump, that would be enough to keep the Party's issues in the public eye. If a network and the LWV relaxes the rules in the hopes of ginning up ratings, that candidate might get invited to a debate.
Posted by: Bill at May 05, 2016 04:28 PM (/3xAX)
Oh, it's not to win. No way that's happening. Best case is a few points, maybe come in 3rd ahead of the LP. But given the mood around Trump, that would be enough to keep the Party's issues in the public eye. If a network and the LWV relaxes the rules in the hopes of ginning up ratings, that candidate might get invited to a debate.
Posted by: Cody's Feed Bag at May 05, 2016 04:35 PM (F26eZ)
1040
Can I ask you one final thing?
What position(s) that Trump current holds, if he reversed on it, would (i) cause you to conclude that he's untrustworthy, and (ii) cause him to lose your vote?
What position(s) that Trump current holds, if he reversed on it, would (i) cause you to conclude that he's untrustworthy, and (ii) cause him to lose your vote?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:35 PM (A6sW3)
1041
Pete,
Agreeing to selectively release off the record comments is - in my opinion - a sucker's game.
You do it once, you'll be expected to do it again... and again. And again. Ad infinitum.
It's not a game any candidate can win.
"Candidate X, you agreed to release your off the record statement last year on that issue that was dogging you. When you did so, it largely exonerated your claim that there was nothing to the rumors being floated.
But on this new issue that 's dogging you, you're refusing to release your off the record comments. What are you hiding, sir?!"
It's a recipe for never making off the record comments. - Which NO CANDIDATE ever does.
Nor should they.
Trump's opponents knew this. And they used the issue very effectively against him. - I give them kudos for conducting excellent political combat in that case. - Just as I do for the Donald.
But notice that none of his opponents were promising to stop making off the record comments.
Pete,
Agreeing to selectively release off the record comments is - in my opinion - a sucker's game.
You do it once, you'll be expected to do it again... and again. And again. Ad infinitum.
It's not a game any candidate can win.
"Candidate X, you agreed to release your off the record statement last year on that issue that was dogging you. When you did so, it largely exonerated your claim that there was nothing to the rumors being floated.
But on this new issue that 's dogging you, you're refusing to release your off the record comments. What are you hiding, sir?!"
It's a recipe for never making off the record comments. - Which NO CANDIDATE ever does.
Nor should they.
Trump's opponents knew this. And they used the issue very effectively against him. - I give them kudos for conducting excellent political combat in that case. - Just as I do for the Donald.
But notice that none of his opponents were promising to stop making off the record comments.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:37 PM (AhiRu)
1042
Go ahead and run a 3rd party candidate.
Hillary wins, and Civil War II is guaranteed.
Really that simple.
Now go ahead and take the week off, think about your future, and come back next week either to support Trump, or to get ready to shoot a lot of people in the next few years.
I hate wasting words, just getting to the REAL bottom line.
Hillary wins, and Civil War II is guaranteed.
Really that simple.
Now go ahead and take the week off, think about your future, and come back next week either to support Trump, or to get ready to shoot a lot of people in the next few years.
I hate wasting words, just getting to the REAL bottom line.
Posted by: Reality at May 05, 2016 04:38 PM (UsCnO)
1043
What position(s) that Trump current holds, if he reversed on it, would
(i) cause you to conclude that he's untrustworthy, and (ii) cause him to
lose your vote?
I'll be following the answer to this one.
First it was: "We need a principled conservative because these bastards have sold us out by pretending to be conservative. Trump is the man."
Now it's: "Trump is pragmatic. All of this conservative stuff is out of date. Who cares? We need to win and, besides, conservatism has failed us."
Crist, for his supporters, please just say whatever Trump says is fine. You don't care. Admit it. Don't try to rationalize or intellectualize the matter. You trust him no matter what.
(i) cause you to conclude that he's untrustworthy, and (ii) cause him to
lose your vote?
I'll be following the answer to this one.
First it was: "We need a principled conservative because these bastards have sold us out by pretending to be conservative. Trump is the man."
Now it's: "Trump is pragmatic. All of this conservative stuff is out of date. Who cares? We need to win and, besides, conservatism has failed us."
Crist, for his supporters, please just say whatever Trump says is fine. You don't care. Admit it. Don't try to rationalize or intellectualize the matter. You trust him no matter what.
Posted by: SteveMG at May 05, 2016 04:40 PM (G1H9X)
1044
Pete,
Your continue efforts to try and 'insult' me only further highlight how angry you are with the nomination results.
You'll have to try and catch me when I've been drinking and commenting. That's when I get my little feelings hurt and say some really stupid things.
Anyway, some answers:
Trump is not a position. He is a candidate who represents a whole host of positions. No candidate has ever represented my opinions on every position. And it's implausible that one every will.
If Trump were to abandon his position on border security, I would be heartbroken, and I would not vote for him.
Pete,
Your continue efforts to try and 'insult' me only further highlight how angry you are with the nomination results.
You'll have to try and catch me when I've been drinking and commenting. That's when I get my little feelings hurt and say some really stupid things.
Anyway, some answers:
Trump is not a position. He is a candidate who represents a whole host of positions. No candidate has ever represented my opinions on every position. And it's implausible that one every will.
If Trump were to abandon his position on border security, I would be heartbroken, and I would not vote for him.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:41 PM (AhiRu)
1045
You're impotent Ace. Do as you wish - it won't matter. We're not like the Neo-cons who scream how irrelevant you are, and then shriek when you won't vote for Willard Fillmoure Romneycare.
When we call you irrelevant - WE MEAN IT.
Don't vote if you like. We're going to win with or without you.
You.
Don't.
Matter.
Do as you will.
When we call you irrelevant - WE MEAN IT.
Don't vote if you like. We're going to win with or without you.
You.
Don't.
Matter.
Do as you will.
Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at May 05, 2016 04:48 PM (ZefGS)
1046
If Trump were to abandon his position on border security, I would be heartbroken, and I would not vote for him.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
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Well, now it makes a lot more sense why you're not reaching the Occam's Razor answer to why Trump won't say what he told the Times about immigration. It would break your heart
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican
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Well, now it makes a lot more sense why you're not reaching the Occam's Razor answer to why Trump won't say what he told the Times about immigration. It would break your heart
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:49 PM (A6sW3)
1047
"First it was: "We need a principled conservative because these bastards have sold us out by pretending to be conservative. Trump is the man."
Now it's: "Trump is pragmatic. All of this conservative stuff is out of date. Who cares? We need to win and, besides, conservatism has failed us.""
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Yes. I have been astonished at how willing Trump's people have been willing to say that *conservatism* is the problem. That *conservatism* is what the GOP establishment has been serving up and has been failing. And even that *conservatism* is bad, and that what we need is more government.
I haven't see a ton of it here, probably because this is a conservative place, but it's all over Facebook. Even Insty had a post today where the comments turned into that.
There are some conservative people who are Trump supporters, but the only way that happens is if you're gullible. And day-by-day, I'm seeing fewer gullible people and more people who just say "whatever Trump is for, I'm for."
Now it's: "Trump is pragmatic. All of this conservative stuff is out of date. Who cares? We need to win and, besides, conservatism has failed us.""
-----------
Yes. I have been astonished at how willing Trump's people have been willing to say that *conservatism* is the problem. That *conservatism* is what the GOP establishment has been serving up and has been failing. And even that *conservatism* is bad, and that what we need is more government.
I haven't see a ton of it here, probably because this is a conservative place, but it's all over Facebook. Even Insty had a post today where the comments turned into that.
There are some conservative people who are Trump supporters, but the only way that happens is if you're gullible. And day-by-day, I'm seeing fewer gullible people and more people who just say "whatever Trump is for, I'm for."
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 04:53 PM (A6sW3)
1048
Pete,
Just to follow up on my comment at 1041 regarding releasing off the record statements.
Assume that an "inside source" claims they know that a candidate (or office holder) made an off the record controversial statement that would get him in trouble with public. If he authorizes the news organization to release his comments, then he automatically validates the next rumor that gets floated about future off the record comments. - Unless he agrees to release those too.
The press simple pushes the following meme:
Before he had nothing to hide. - So he released his off the record statement much to his benefit.
But NOW he has something to hide. - So he'll keep hiding the statement.
We all know what that means! The rumor is true!!! (He really does hate black people or women or whatever.) We knew it!
He gets automatically convicted in the media for whatever the rumor claims he supposedly said. Even worse, it becomes easy to paint him as a deceiver of the public. See, he wasn't deceiving before, and we know this because he released the statements. But he is deceiving the public now, and we know this because he won't release.
It's a game, you can never win. The only winning move is not to play.
Just to follow up on my comment at 1041 regarding releasing off the record statements.
Assume that an "inside source" claims they know that a candidate (or office holder) made an off the record controversial statement that would get him in trouble with public. If he authorizes the news organization to release his comments, then he automatically validates the next rumor that gets floated about future off the record comments. - Unless he agrees to release those too.
The press simple pushes the following meme:
Before he had nothing to hide. - So he released his off the record statement much to his benefit.
But NOW he has something to hide. - So he'll keep hiding the statement.
We all know what that means! The rumor is true!!! (He really does hate black people or women or whatever.) We knew it!
He gets automatically convicted in the media for whatever the rumor claims he supposedly said. Even worse, it becomes easy to paint him as a deceiver of the public. See, he wasn't deceiving before, and we know this because he released the statements. But he is deceiving the public now, and we know this because he won't release.
It's a game, you can never win. The only winning move is not to play.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 04:55 PM (AhiRu)
1049
"Happy #CincoDeMayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!"
<br />
And, as I'm sure has been mentioned earlier in this thread by now, several people are now reporting that Trump Tower Grill does not even serve taco bowls (don't know if it's true yet, but would be just perfect)
This man's State of the Union speech will be a life-changing experience.
<br />
And, as I'm sure has been mentioned earlier in this thread by now, several people are now reporting that Trump Tower Grill does not even serve taco bowls (don't know if it's true yet, but would be just perfect)
This man's State of the Union speech will be a life-changing experience.
Posted by: reform highlander at May 05, 2016 04:56 PM (jCH/T)
1050
Pete @ 1046,
I chuckle as I write this. You're going to have to try a whole lot harder to 'get at me' with your snarky comments. (That or ship me a couple bottles of Jim Beam.)
I will say this, your relatively polite snark is no more or less effective than the several commenters who are prone to become TRULY nasty.
I think it's a credit to you that you avoid becoming ugly in your slights.
Anyway, snarkily slight away, my man. I can take it. I've even been known to return fire here and there.
Pete @ 1046,
I chuckle as I write this. You're going to have to try a whole lot harder to 'get at me' with your snarky comments. (That or ship me a couple bottles of Jim Beam.)
I will say this, your relatively polite snark is no more or less effective than the several commenters who are prone to become TRULY nasty.
I think it's a credit to you that you avoid becoming ugly in your slights.
Anyway, snarkily slight away, my man. I can take it. I've even been known to return fire here and there.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:00 PM (AhiRu)
1051
Pete @ comment # 1046,
I understand that you are willing to take the 'word' of an anonymous 'insider' who was floating an unsubstantiated rumor at The New York Slimes.
Okay, man. Have at.
The Slime's Editorial Board will probably also give you great advice about the merits of a potential Clinton presidency.
Who knows? They might even (gasp) endorse her!
Just imagine that!
Pete @ comment # 1046,
I understand that you are willing to take the 'word' of an anonymous 'insider' who was floating an unsubstantiated rumor at The New York Slimes.
Okay, man. Have at.
The Slime's Editorial Board will probably also give you great advice about the merits of a potential Clinton presidency.
Who knows? They might even (gasp) endorse her!
Just imagine that!
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:06 PM (AhiRu)
1052
"It's a game, you can never win. The only winning move is not to play."
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Is that so?
*Then don't play*
Nobody put a gun to Trump's head and made him put things off-the-record. And now you have to cook up a conspiracy theory to excuse his off-the-record flip-flop.
He lied to you. You believed it. Either accept it now or learn it later. It's less painful if you do it now.
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Is that so?
*Then don't play*
Nobody put a gun to Trump's head and made him put things off-the-record. And now you have to cook up a conspiracy theory to excuse his off-the-record flip-flop.
He lied to you. You believed it. Either accept it now or learn it later. It's less painful if you do it now.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 05:08 PM (26zxJ)
1053
I mean, think about what you're saying. For you to be correct, all the following things must be true:
(1) Trump made only consistent statements on immigration when he was off-the record.
(2) The Times lied in their leaks about the meeting.
(3) The Times believed that Trump wouldn't expose them to be not only liars, but liars who lied for partisan gain
(4) Trump thinks it's better to live with the NY Times lie floating out there than to prove them wrong, shove the lie in their faces, and show the entire country that the Times lied to hurt him.
Does that sound realistic at all?
(1) Trump made only consistent statements on immigration when he was off-the record.
(2) The Times lied in their leaks about the meeting.
(3) The Times believed that Trump wouldn't expose them to be not only liars, but liars who lied for partisan gain
(4) Trump thinks it's better to live with the NY Times lie floating out there than to prove them wrong, shove the lie in their faces, and show the entire country that the Times lied to hurt him.
Does that sound realistic at all?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 05:14 PM (A6sW3)
1054
Pete @ 1052,
I'm surprised you didn't know that virtually ALL candidates for office and virtually ALL office holders give off the record comments.
Can you name one who doesn't?
It's actually very important that public figures can do this.
I'm not going to go into why it's important. (Though it should be obvious.) Because it's already been too hard for you to follow why it would be utterly stupid for ANY candidate or office holder to release his/her off the record statements.
Your singling out Trump on this point is... well, it's cute. (But, psssst... did. you. not. notice. that. it. did. not. work?)
That's right neither Cruz nor Rubio got any LASTING traction. And the 'issue' died.
But, hey, at least your emotional frustration isn't showing or anything.
Pete @ 1052,
I'm surprised you didn't know that virtually ALL candidates for office and virtually ALL office holders give off the record comments.
Can you name one who doesn't?
It's actually very important that public figures can do this.
I'm not going to go into why it's important. (Though it should be obvious.) Because it's already been too hard for you to follow why it would be utterly stupid for ANY candidate or office holder to release his/her off the record statements.
Your singling out Trump on this point is... well, it's cute. (But, psssst... did. you. not. notice. that. it. did. not. work?)
That's right neither Cruz nor Rubio got any LASTING traction. And the 'issue' died.
But, hey, at least your emotional frustration isn't showing or anything.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:17 PM (AhiRu)
Posted by: gdonovan at May 05, 2016 05:19 PM (Ipxoj)
1056
Pete,
Your point 4 makes it clear you didn't understand that if a candidate authorizes release of his off the record statement to dispel some current rumor that this automatically invalidates ANY future rumor about his off the record statements.
Do you really not understand that?
You're basically saying that Trump (and Trump alone) should simply agree to never make off the record comments again.
That's not only unreasonable. That's ridiculous.
Also, I don't believe that The Slimes ever made an official statement that they had floated a rumor about Trump's off the record comments. - I'm not CERTAIN that's true.
But in a sense, if The Slimes officially and essentially said, "Hey, Trump made off the record comments saying he's not for real about border security", that would be the same as claiming to release his off the record comments.
I THINK (not positive) it was another news organization who claimed to have an 'inside source' at The Slimes who said that Trump's off the record comments were soft on border security.
- But now you can see how reliable this rumor truly is. Right?
Pete,
Your point 4 makes it clear you didn't understand that if a candidate authorizes release of his off the record statement to dispel some current rumor that this automatically invalidates ANY future rumor about his off the record statements.
Do you really not understand that?
You're basically saying that Trump (and Trump alone) should simply agree to never make off the record comments again.
That's not only unreasonable. That's ridiculous.
Also, I don't believe that The Slimes ever made an official statement that they had floated a rumor about Trump's off the record comments. - I'm not CERTAIN that's true.
But in a sense, if The Slimes officially and essentially said, "Hey, Trump made off the record comments saying he's not for real about border security", that would be the same as claiming to release his off the record comments.
I THINK (not positive) it was another news organization who claimed to have an 'inside source' at The Slimes who said that Trump's off the record comments were soft on border security.
- But now you can see how reliable this rumor truly is. Right?
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:24 PM (AhiRu)
1057
correction to my comment # 1056
"...that this automatically VALIDATES..."
- I made the typo of writing that releasing the off the record statements would "invalidate" future rumors about future off the record comments.
Obviously, I meant the opposite.
correction to my comment # 1056
"...that this automatically VALIDATES..."
- I made the typo of writing that releasing the off the record statements would "invalidate" future rumors about future off the record comments.
Obviously, I meant the opposite.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:27 PM (AhiRu)
1058
1055 I had Juan McCain and Mittens stuck my ass by the GOP, how does it feel?
GOP can burn.
Posted by: gdonovan at May 05, 2016 05:19 PM (Ipxoj)
If you can't tell the difference between those two and Ted Cruz, you deserve to have your choices made for you.
GOP can burn.
Posted by: gdonovan at May 05, 2016 05:19 PM (Ipxoj)
If you can't tell the difference between those two and Ted Cruz, you deserve to have your choices made for you.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 05:27 PM (Y3C5w)
1059
Hm. Am I banned? Testing, testing, testing ...
Posted by: No name at May 05, 2016 05:33 PM (eXTZt)
1060
I don't consider any candidate my salvation.
But I can help it all burn down. And I did my part. And I will continue to do my part to help entropy reach it's natural conclusion - only from the ashes will liberty rise, Mordor will not ALLOW true rectification of our grievances while it stands, so I choose to topple it. Millions stand with me.
Were I you people I'd be stocking ammunition and food - and for God sakes get some training.
HELP IT BURN!!!
But I can help it all burn down. And I did my part. And I will continue to do my part to help entropy reach it's natural conclusion - only from the ashes will liberty rise, Mordor will not ALLOW true rectification of our grievances while it stands, so I choose to topple it. Millions stand with me.
Were I you people I'd be stocking ammunition and food - and for God sakes get some training.
HELP IT BURN!!!
Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at May 05, 2016 05:37 PM (AUWNT)
1061
No Name @ # 1059,
It doesn't appear that you are banned.
....But you may have been pushed to the back of the herd (horde) and aren't able post permanent comments in the most current Ace of Spades comments threads.
No Name @ # 1059,
It doesn't appear that you are banned.
....But you may have been pushed to the back of the herd (horde) and aren't able post permanent comments in the most current Ace of Spades comments threads.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:37 PM (AhiRu)
1062
"You're basically saying that Trump (and Trump alone) should simply agree to never make off the record comments again.
That's not only unreasonable. That's ridiculous."
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Why is that ridiculous? Why is it so important that presidential candidates tell journalists things about their policies that are not for public consumption?
Anyway, since you're not clear on what happened, go ahead and read what the Times itself had to say about it: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com /2016/03/02/trumps-off-the-record-remarks-new-york-times-went-public/
He's basically verifying that the rumor is correct. Still you don't care.
That's not only unreasonable. That's ridiculous."
----------
Why is that ridiculous? Why is it so important that presidential candidates tell journalists things about their policies that are not for public consumption?
Anyway, since you're not clear on what happened, go ahead and read what the Times itself had to say about it: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com /2016/03/02/trumps-off-the-record-remarks-new-york-times-went-public/
He's basically verifying that the rumor is correct. Still you don't care.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 05:39 PM (A6sW3)
1063
Sasse should shut the hell up. Trump won the nomination - if he thinks those that stayed home should count as opposed then he should introduce a law that makes it punishable by death to not exercise your vote. He is basically saying that is what he believes.
I have lost all respect for him no matter how conservative he is. If an elected official can't respect the votes of their citizens then they are nothing less than tyrannical.
I have lost all respect for him no matter how conservative he is. If an elected official can't respect the votes of their citizens then they are nothing less than tyrannical.
Posted by: doug at May 05, 2016 05:44 PM (Y7fRE)
1064
"If you can't tell the difference between those two and Ted Cruz, you deserve to have your choices made for you."
You mean Cruz who has only lived for 2 years with his wife in how many years of marriage?? The same Cruz who gets his insurance through Goldman Sachs? Who's wife works for Goldman Sachs? The same Goldman Sachs who loaned him money?
The more that comes out about Cruz the less I like him.
You mean Cruz who has only lived for 2 years with his wife in how many years of marriage?? The same Cruz who gets his insurance through Goldman Sachs? Who's wife works for Goldman Sachs? The same Goldman Sachs who loaned him money?
The more that comes out about Cruz the less I like him.
Posted by: gdonovan at May 05, 2016 05:53 PM (Ipxoj)
1065
If I didn't care Pete, I wouldn't be engaged in the discussion at all.
But I just finished reading the Sullivan's Slime's editor piece you linked to.
Wow.
What can I say but... just... wow.
It basically verified my common sense suspicions that The Slimes would neither confirm nor deny such a leak.
But somehow you read it as The Slimes deciding to bash their own reputation by verifying the rumor.
Hey, maybe I missed something.
Mind pasting the quote where The Slimes fesses up?
Because one pertinent sentence that I read was that Sullivan (the author of the piece) starkly admitted that she did not know what Trump said or did not say in the meeting.
How did you get rumor verification from that cumbersome piece Sullivan wrote???
If I didn't care Pete, I wouldn't be engaged in the discussion at all.
But I just finished reading the Sullivan's Slime's editor piece you linked to.
Wow.
What can I say but... just... wow.
It basically verified my common sense suspicions that The Slimes would neither confirm nor deny such a leak.
But somehow you read it as The Slimes deciding to bash their own reputation by verifying the rumor.
Hey, maybe I missed something.
Mind pasting the quote where The Slimes fesses up?
Because one pertinent sentence that I read was that Sullivan (the author of the piece) starkly admitted that she did not know what Trump said or did not say in the meeting.
How did you get rumor verification from that cumbersome piece Sullivan wrote???
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:54 PM (AhiRu)
1066
If you can't tell the difference between those two and Ted Cruz, you deserve to have your choices made for you.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 05:27 PM (Y3C5w)
What does Ted Cruz have to do with picking Trump as the means to clean up D.C. politics? More of the voters thought that Trump would do a better job of getting the message across. Ted Cruz got less votes, whoopee, they both were finalists in the contest to see which were going to represent the voters - not which was going to represent the party. That is what was unique about this go around.
Why you think this was all about ideology is beyond me. Trump wasn't picked because of a particular moral compass, he was picked to change D.C. Cruz ran on a moral compass platform and that wasn't important this go around.
The party hasn't changed, the voters just had a different thing of importance they were voting on this time.
Posted by: West Town at May 05, 2016 05:27 PM (Y3C5w)
What does Ted Cruz have to do with picking Trump as the means to clean up D.C. politics? More of the voters thought that Trump would do a better job of getting the message across. Ted Cruz got less votes, whoopee, they both were finalists in the contest to see which were going to represent the voters - not which was going to represent the party. That is what was unique about this go around.
Why you think this was all about ideology is beyond me. Trump wasn't picked because of a particular moral compass, he was picked to change D.C. Cruz ran on a moral compass platform and that wasn't important this go around.
The party hasn't changed, the voters just had a different thing of importance they were voting on this time.
Posted by: doug at May 05, 2016 05:54 PM (Y7fRE)
1067
Deserve's got nothing to do with it, Ben.
On the other hand, there's nothing about Trump that suggests that he's anything other than a Democrat. Maybe somethings he's better on than Cankles - even some things he's lot better on - and somethings he's not any different from her.
A choice betwixt a crony politico and a crony capitalist. Joy.
But you best grab onto you first and second amendments cause they're both going to come under assault the next 4 years...after that come the rest.
Deserve's got nothing to do with it, Ben.
On the other hand, there's nothing about Trump that suggests that he's anything other than a Democrat. Maybe somethings he's better on than Cankles - even some things he's lot better on - and somethings he's not any different from her.
A choice betwixt a crony politico and a crony capitalist. Joy.
But you best grab onto you first and second amendments cause they're both going to come under assault the next 4 years...after that come the rest.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at May 05, 2016 05:55 PM (wPVDQ)
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 05:57 PM (AhiRu)
1069
If you don't want to follow the link: it was Ben Smith from Politico who said that he heard the recording of the off-the-record meeting. And the Times didn't deny that the recording go to him, but obviously they won't say what was on it.
I understand your argument that responding to rumors makes those rumors a way to get off-the-record statement put back on-the-record. But here's the thing: no one's going to believe a rumor from some crank. So do you think Ben Shapiro - an actual reporter - is lying? Do you think that a journalist who needs a job to pay his mortgage and send his kids to college, etc., is going to risk never being able to work in journalism again when he gets caught in a lie?
Do you think that Donald Trump has any reservations about calling people liars? It's funny - he isn't calling him "Lyin' Ben."
So again, you'd have to believe that Shapiro was willing to risk his entire career to lie about Trump, AND that Trump wouldn't relish the opportunity to prove that there's a media conspiracy against him.
If Trump hadn't been consistently changing positions on, oh, *everything*, that might be believable. If he had a reputation for honesty, maybe. If he didn't have a reputation as a scorched-earth, combative brawler, perhaps. But your way just makes no sense.
I understand your argument that responding to rumors makes those rumors a way to get off-the-record statement put back on-the-record. But here's the thing: no one's going to believe a rumor from some crank. So do you think Ben Shapiro - an actual reporter - is lying? Do you think that a journalist who needs a job to pay his mortgage and send his kids to college, etc., is going to risk never being able to work in journalism again when he gets caught in a lie?
Do you think that Donald Trump has any reservations about calling people liars? It's funny - he isn't calling him "Lyin' Ben."
So again, you'd have to believe that Shapiro was willing to risk his entire career to lie about Trump, AND that Trump wouldn't relish the opportunity to prove that there's a media conspiracy against him.
If Trump hadn't been consistently changing positions on, oh, *everything*, that might be believable. If he had a reputation for honesty, maybe. If he didn't have a reputation as a scorched-earth, combative brawler, perhaps. But your way just makes no sense.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 05:57 PM (26zxJ)
1070
...speaking of 'being highly resistant to learning of any kind...
Pew: '57 percent say 'America First'
Gallup party affiliation:
Republicans: 26%
Independents: 38%
Democrats: 32%
Pfft. Some of you still think Trump is a liberal...and that Cruz is a conservative.
Pew: '57 percent say 'America First'
Gallup party affiliation:
Republicans: 26%
Independents: 38%
Democrats: 32%
Pfft. Some of you still think Trump is a liberal...and that Cruz is a conservative.
Posted by: The Hot Gates. at May 05, 2016 06:00 PM (k3uSs)
1071
Sasse was one of the first to come out as NeverTrump. He was hoping for a contested convention and had been told by several GOPe'rs that they would propose his name as the nominee.
Ben Sasse sent the same type of letter to his facebook followers about 6 months ago. He's not doing it now for the good of the country. He's doing it the good of his political career. We don't need his help. The people have spoken.
Ben Sasse sent the same type of letter to his facebook followers about 6 months ago. He's not doing it now for the good of the country. He's doing it the good of his political career. We don't need his help. The people have spoken.
Posted by: vinnymotto at May 05, 2016 06:00 PM (+0t2Z)
1072
Trump supporters: everyone's job during the primaries was to choose someone that enough fellow Republicans would support. You made a bad choice - plain and simple. I've been hearing "never Trump" during this entire primary so no one can say they are surprised.
Posted by: free at May 05, 2016 04:02 PM (z+cd2)
You sir, are a tool.
It is NOT the voter's job to pick the 'most electable'. McAmnesty and Romneycare are exhibit A's.
It is the voter's job to pick the candidate that they believe will do the best job for them (however they define that job) ...Reagan can be exhibit B for that.
Posted by: free at May 05, 2016 04:02 PM (z+cd2)
You sir, are a tool.
It is NOT the voter's job to pick the 'most electable'. McAmnesty and Romneycare are exhibit A's.
It is the voter's job to pick the candidate that they believe will do the best job for them (however they define that job) ...Reagan can be exhibit B for that.
Posted by: doug at May 05, 2016 06:01 PM (Y7fRE)
1073
The whole third party stuff is nothing more than rationalization to avoid choosing between Trump and Clinton. I can easily choose between the two because I don't have a case of whiney self-pitying butt hurt from Trump's win. Too bad so many of us think they are too good to get their hands dirty.
Posted by: Dogbert at May 05, 2016 06:05 PM (p/bSX)
1074
Getting server errors - test test test
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 06:07 PM (xN1DB)
1075
Okay, I keep getting server errors when I try to post my comment. Here's a pastebin link where I show the Times' admission:
http://pastebin.com/FSWAFznv
http://pastebin.com/FSWAFznv
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 06:11 PM (A6sW3)
1076
Because we *have* been "getting it, good and hard" under Obama. It will take decades to repair the damage, if indeed that can happen at this point.
That's why as much as I cannot stand Trump... I will vote for him over Hillary or Sanders. We need a break, even a very mild break, from how much we have been abused by the current regime.
That's why as much as I cannot stand Trump... I will vote for him over Hillary or Sanders. We need a break, even a very mild break, from how much we have been abused by the current regime.
Posted by: Rick67 at May 05, 2016 06:11 PM (stEzM)
1077
Pete,
Have you not noticed that the media has been willing to slowly destroy its reputation for many years now?
How did you miss this?
Candy Crowly jumping into a nationally televised presidential debate to side with Obama - utterly misstating the facts about Bengazi.
- Oh yeah. She paid a horrible career price for that one! Man no one's seen her sense! (Do you really believe that?)
Or NBC doctoring the 911 call to make George Zimmerman sound like a racist out hunting down black kids in his neighborhood.
- Yep, that pretty much shut NBC down. They don't really have a media presence anymore, do they? (Do you believe that?)
The reporters have been willing to get egg on their face multiple times to push their agenda. And they are more than happy to do it with innuendo.
Imagine Trump had made the stupid move to release his comments (thereby tying his hands on all future off the record comments). Imagine he said something as innocuous as like the following statement:
"People are totally misreading me on this immigration issue and how to hand the border. I like Hispanics. Some people are trying to say I don't. But I do. Some people are trying to say that won't let any Hispanics or Mexican come across the border - you know, pass through the door in the wall were going to build. But that's not true. I've got a bigger heart than that. I just want them to come here legally."
Voila. Ben Shapiro would say, "Hey, I told you he claimed wasn't as tough on immigration as people were making him out and that we would be malleable on allowing Hispanics to cross."
And that would be the end of the Shapiro's 'scandal'.
It wouldn't hurt him in the slightest.
Meanwhile - thanks to your genius advise - any candidate who agreed to release his off the record statement has automatically validated any future rumor about any future off the record comment. - Unless he agreed to release those too.
It was a trap they were hoping that Trump (never having run for office before) would fall for.
You don't see that. I know know why you don't see that. And that's why I can't help you.
So why don't you try to tell me why you don't see it. Then MAYBE I can help you out some.
Pete,
Have you not noticed that the media has been willing to slowly destroy its reputation for many years now?
How did you miss this?
Candy Crowly jumping into a nationally televised presidential debate to side with Obama - utterly misstating the facts about Bengazi.
- Oh yeah. She paid a horrible career price for that one! Man no one's seen her sense! (Do you really believe that?)
Or NBC doctoring the 911 call to make George Zimmerman sound like a racist out hunting down black kids in his neighborhood.
- Yep, that pretty much shut NBC down. They don't really have a media presence anymore, do they? (Do you believe that?)
The reporters have been willing to get egg on their face multiple times to push their agenda. And they are more than happy to do it with innuendo.
Imagine Trump had made the stupid move to release his comments (thereby tying his hands on all future off the record comments). Imagine he said something as innocuous as like the following statement:
"People are totally misreading me on this immigration issue and how to hand the border. I like Hispanics. Some people are trying to say I don't. But I do. Some people are trying to say that won't let any Hispanics or Mexican come across the border - you know, pass through the door in the wall were going to build. But that's not true. I've got a bigger heart than that. I just want them to come here legally."
Voila. Ben Shapiro would say, "Hey, I told you he claimed wasn't as tough on immigration as people were making him out and that we would be malleable on allowing Hispanics to cross."
And that would be the end of the Shapiro's 'scandal'.
It wouldn't hurt him in the slightest.
Meanwhile - thanks to your genius advise - any candidate who agreed to release his off the record statement has automatically validated any future rumor about any future off the record comment. - Unless he agreed to release those too.
It was a trap they were hoping that Trump (never having run for office before) would fall for.
You don't see that. I know know why you don't see that. And that's why I can't help you.
So why don't you try to tell me why you don't see it. Then MAYBE I can help you out some.
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 06:13 PM (AhiRu)
1078
"I can easily choose between the two because I don't have a case of whiney self-pitying butt hurt from Trump's win."
---------
This is projection. People who are deeply emotionally invested in Trump think that other people are deeply emotionally invested in the candidates they preferred.
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This is projection. People who are deeply emotionally invested in Trump think that other people are deeply emotionally invested in the candidates they preferred.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 06:15 PM (aFa2V)
1079
Alright. Girlfriends home.
Gotta go.
We'll have to pick it up where we left off next time, Pete.
In all honesty, I did enjoy the discussion with you. (Snarky back and forths and all.)
Adios
Alright. Girlfriends home.
Gotta go.
We'll have to pick it up where we left off next time, Pete.
In all honesty, I did enjoy the discussion with you. (Snarky back and forths and all.)
Adios
Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at May 05, 2016 06:16 PM (AhiRu)
1080
"The reporters have been willing to get egg on their face multiple times to push their agenda."
---------
Yeah, sometimes people lie. And when they do, they get fired. The Zimmerman guy? Fired. Jeff Burnside. You can look it up. So Shapiro had to be aware that something like that could happen.
But hey, maybe Shapiro still lied. The point is that *somebody* is being untruthful here. It's either Shapiro or Trump. You're convinced that it can't be Trump. Why?
I also don't see why you think it's so important to candidates that they get to make off-the-record statements to editorial boards, such that they would rather let a damaging lie float around than crush that lie. Okay, Trump doesn't get to tell reporters stuff off the record anymore. So what? Sounds like a great trade for exposing a conspiracy to hurt him.
---------
Yeah, sometimes people lie. And when they do, they get fired. The Zimmerman guy? Fired. Jeff Burnside. You can look it up. So Shapiro had to be aware that something like that could happen.
But hey, maybe Shapiro still lied. The point is that *somebody* is being untruthful here. It's either Shapiro or Trump. You're convinced that it can't be Trump. Why?
I also don't see why you think it's so important to candidates that they get to make off-the-record statements to editorial boards, such that they would rather let a damaging lie float around than crush that lie. Okay, Trump doesn't get to tell reporters stuff off the record anymore. So what? Sounds like a great trade for exposing a conspiracy to hurt him.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 05, 2016 06:23 PM (26zxJ)
1081
How can you ever believe an f'ing thing the salesman says? Sure he'll say things you like and then the "Deal Maker" will contradict himself---in the same interview. But no worries, Alex Jones and Roger Stone will explain it as will Rush. Or you can hear Sean break it all down on a special edition of "Hannity". Good luck.
Posted by: El Alamein at May 05, 2016 06:44 PM (bSxRn)
1082
1081
I agree. I don't trust him.
But the Republican establishment can go f___ itself.
Ace explained months ago how the adults have screwed over the children who actually vote republican, but get no voice in choosing a candidate.
We supported Bush, McCain and Romney and now it's their time to support the nominee and they're all gonna bail.
I agree. I don't trust him.
But the Republican establishment can go f___ itself.
Ace explained months ago how the adults have screwed over the children who actually vote republican, but get no voice in choosing a candidate.
We supported Bush, McCain and Romney and now it's their time to support the nominee and they're all gonna bail.
Posted by: steve at May 05, 2016 06:57 PM (/NSeN)
1083
Don't let "principles" be the snake that eats its own tail. If your principles force you to self-destruct ("Wah! I'm too pure to vote for my party's candidate! Wah!") preventing your principles from ever being implemented, then it is time to re-evaluate for you are a predetermined loser.
Posted by: Rhino at May 05, 2016 09:09 PM (QIRf+)
1084
What I find so outrageous is the smugness towards Trump and claiming he is not conservative, yet conservatives have hardly got any kind of hold on the Republican party. Shouldn't you be working to purge the party of the elite political class before you keep running your mouths?
If you don't promote conservatism within the Gop then maybe you should make a separate party. There's a good 12 of you regulars in here who don't know jack; your arguments are not persuasive in the slightest because they are all negative assumptions and projection.
If you don't promote conservatism within the Gop then maybe you should make a separate party. There's a good 12 of you regulars in here who don't know jack; your arguments are not persuasive in the slightest because they are all negative assumptions and projection.
Posted by: Kyle P at May 05, 2016 09:24 PM (ln9oQ)
1085
I'm going to vote for the poster of comment #19.
Posted by: Lee L. at May 05, 2016 09:39 PM (CQB0w)
Posted by: Anita Sarkeesian at May 05, 2016 11:07 PM (Ypf1L)
1087
"Until he does, count me in with Ben Sasse as being interested in a third party, one that will leave me the hell alone.
Or at least that would leave me the hell alone more than the other alternatives."
The Libertarian party does that.
Of course you're still gonna have to learn that there is no such thing as being left alone in this world and any libertarian regime will inevitably be followed by an authoritarianism that makes Hillary look like George Washington.
The only way to be left alone is to be so powerful that nobody dares fuck with you. I'm not sure blogging gets you that kind of power.
Or at least that would leave me the hell alone more than the other alternatives."
The Libertarian party does that.
Of course you're still gonna have to learn that there is no such thing as being left alone in this world and any libertarian regime will inevitably be followed by an authoritarianism that makes Hillary look like George Washington.
The only way to be left alone is to be so powerful that nobody dares fuck with you. I'm not sure blogging gets you that kind of power.
Posted by: Johnny at May 05, 2016 11:10 PM (Ypf1L)
1088
I'm with Sasse that America didn't pick these two (or at least Trump) Rubio and Kasich picked Trump.
The two wanted to see their faces so much on TV that they decided their 8-12% of the vote was theirs their theirs, and instead of sharing it with the guy receiving 30% to Trumps 38%, they wanted it to help prop up their egos.
No Marco here or no Johnyboy there and this is a whole different race, but those A-holes decided they were more important than the good of the country.
I'm not even lying when I say come November I am voting for either S.M.O.D. or Dave Burge.
The two wanted to see their faces so much on TV that they decided their 8-12% of the vote was theirs their theirs, and instead of sharing it with the guy receiving 30% to Trumps 38%, they wanted it to help prop up their egos.
No Marco here or no Johnyboy there and this is a whole different race, but those A-holes decided they were more important than the good of the country.
I'm not even lying when I say come November I am voting for either S.M.O.D. or Dave Burge.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 06, 2016 01:45 AM (XwTyM)
1089
So, basically we have to choose between stupid authoritarianism (Trump) and a more focused and "smarter" authoritarianism (Clinton). Great. And a lot of people on the right seem to be leaning towards the more focused and efficient totalitarianism. I don't get it myself.
Posted by: tanarur at May 06, 2016 03:12 AM (JsK0G)
1090
Ace,
I have read it here, on this site, that the only way to fight is tit for tat, fire with fire. You or one of the other bloggers did a post on this within the last year.
Trump is the only candidate who can fight the Democrats on their own turf, by their rules, and win. He fights fire with fire, and gets results. I know you liked Ted Cruz; I did too. He said some lovely words, but he was not a fighter. He couldn't even ride out the primaries as he said he would. Donald got his goat. Do you really think he could fight Hillary and win? Honestly, no, he couldn't.
You didn't mind subverting the will of the voters when Cruz was doing it with delegates. You just don't like the fact that Trump outmaneuvered him in the game of politics. Don't claim that you are consistent in your beliefs and that you are guided by logic rather than emotions; you are, like everyone else. Everyone. I'm not saying this in a nasty fashion. I'm saying it as a lifelong conservative, a constant reader, and an admirer of much of your work.
A third party hands the election to Hillary. Do you want four young supreme court liberals? Do you want more pointless wars with no improvements to our failed security? Do you want an immigrant flood that will make any form of conservative government impossible within ten years? Want a felon in the White House? You'll get that for sure with Hillary.
Trump will lose if conservatives attack him throughout the election. Lots of us held our nose and voted for McCain and Romney even though we hated half their ideas. Time for the rest of the party to do the same for Trump. This time we have a shot at winning. I'm tired of losing but "acting respectably" and "adhering to principles." You can ban me if you like, but you need to hear this.
ALL POLITICS ARE TRIBAL. Stop whining and vote for the guy who will do the most to protect your side. If not, your principles are those of a coward who wants to duck and cover rather than take a chance. That, I'm saying as a Marine who is sick of the rest of his team not standing up and fighting back. Knuckle up and stop Hillary.
I have read it here, on this site, that the only way to fight is tit for tat, fire with fire. You or one of the other bloggers did a post on this within the last year.
Trump is the only candidate who can fight the Democrats on their own turf, by their rules, and win. He fights fire with fire, and gets results. I know you liked Ted Cruz; I did too. He said some lovely words, but he was not a fighter. He couldn't even ride out the primaries as he said he would. Donald got his goat. Do you really think he could fight Hillary and win? Honestly, no, he couldn't.
You didn't mind subverting the will of the voters when Cruz was doing it with delegates. You just don't like the fact that Trump outmaneuvered him in the game of politics. Don't claim that you are consistent in your beliefs and that you are guided by logic rather than emotions; you are, like everyone else. Everyone. I'm not saying this in a nasty fashion. I'm saying it as a lifelong conservative, a constant reader, and an admirer of much of your work.
A third party hands the election to Hillary. Do you want four young supreme court liberals? Do you want more pointless wars with no improvements to our failed security? Do you want an immigrant flood that will make any form of conservative government impossible within ten years? Want a felon in the White House? You'll get that for sure with Hillary.
Trump will lose if conservatives attack him throughout the election. Lots of us held our nose and voted for McCain and Romney even though we hated half their ideas. Time for the rest of the party to do the same for Trump. This time we have a shot at winning. I'm tired of losing but "acting respectably" and "adhering to principles." You can ban me if you like, but you need to hear this.
ALL POLITICS ARE TRIBAL. Stop whining and vote for the guy who will do the most to protect your side. If not, your principles are those of a coward who wants to duck and cover rather than take a chance. That, I'm saying as a Marine who is sick of the rest of his team not standing up and fighting back. Knuckle up and stop Hillary.
Posted by: Penn School Teacher at May 06, 2016 09:11 AM (UukLc)
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OK, how will your oh-so-haughty moral superiority fare under a Hillary Supreme Court? Martyrdom only works and feels good at the moment of death..... afterwards the non-martyrs still suffer.
Posted by: Joe at May 06, 2016 11:15 AM (ACriA)
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Ace, I completely agree with you on Trump and his authoritarianism. Here's the thing though. I stopped reading your blog (came back today to read this because Jim Geraghty linked to you in his morning jolt) because of the way you wrote about more palatable (to the general electorate) candidates. In a way Trump wedged his way into a vacuum that was created when the immigration issue became THE issue of this cycle. You and others were out to get Rubio (mainly Rubio, but others) because of their (gasp) apostasy on an issue on which conservatives disagree. So my point is that, in short, you and those like you in the conservative blogosphere and media are partially to blame for this mess. The irony is that Hillary is going to make the path to citizenship far less onerous than Rubio or Bush or any other mainstream Republican would have. You cut off your nose to spite your face. The shame of it is that we ALL have to live with your miscalculation. Thanks for nothing.
Posted by: Henry L. Gomez at May 06, 2016 11:31 AM (G4fXn)
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Trump is "authoritarian" so NeverTrump/Third Party/HillaryPOTUS is Ace's choice?
Let's vote for a proven Progressive health-care-socializing SJW'ing Alinksyite Mid-East destabilizing foreign policy wrecking race-baiting uber-kleptocrat Blame America Firster
over
a private sector businessman who might be like that based on conflicting rhetoric and changing political positions over the last 30 years, if everything he's now saying is a cunning lie?
Ace's position sounds like a hysterical womanish overreaction serving to rationalize a lot of pre-existing biases about tone, class, personal relationships policy preferences.
Let's vote for a proven Progressive health-care-socializing SJW'ing Alinksyite Mid-East destabilizing foreign policy wrecking race-baiting uber-kleptocrat Blame America Firster
over
a private sector businessman who might be like that based on conflicting rhetoric and changing political positions over the last 30 years, if everything he's now saying is a cunning lie?
Ace's position sounds like a hysterical womanish overreaction serving to rationalize a lot of pre-existing biases about tone, class, personal relationships policy preferences.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 06, 2016 12:33 PM (NCTqQ)
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Think "Supreme Court" and then vote for Trump.
Posted by: Nomadic100 at May 06, 2016 01:41 PM (u/Sea)
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I don't need Democrats like Sasse or for that matter in Libturds.
Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2016 03:25 PM (HT4TN)
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Ace and the Never Trump crew sound like I did fifty years ago when MaryJane gave back my letter sweater. Righteous, chin quivering in indignation, hurt.
I could care less if self-important folks have immature boundaries. There is no value to a strategy that ends in political suicide. Ace has been hedging his analysis for so long that a temper tantrum no longer can be differentiated from his usual daily "stuff".
I could care less if self-important folks have immature boundaries. There is no value to a strategy that ends in political suicide. Ace has been hedging his analysis for so long that a temper tantrum no longer can be differentiated from his usual daily "stuff".
Posted by: BuddyOne at May 06, 2016 04:52 PM (j163E)
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Ben Sasse pimped young boys for Dennis Hastert and others when he was a "tutor" in the now defunct Congressional Page Program.
#PedoBen
#PedoBen
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