John Boehner: Cruz is "Lucifer in the Flesh;" Donald Trump Is My Texting Buddy

I'd say that puts Cruz up over Trump 1-0.

Please.

"Lucifer in the flesh," the former speaker said [of Ted Cruz]. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life."
Boehner described other Republican candidates as friends. In particular, the former speaker said he has played golf with Donald Trump for years and that they were "texting buddies."

Most important endorsement Cruz has had so far.

But I'm sure the pretend anti-establisment stalwart Trump will say this just shows how Cruz "can't get along with people" to "make great deals."

Posted by: Ace at 02:20 PM

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1 At least we now know where Trump gets his Soul Glow inspiration.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:21 PM (/tuJf)

2 Best endorsement Cruz has gotten all week. At least in my book.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 28, 2016 02:21 PM (iIzG7)

3 I'll give you this one. I will not be trumpeting Boehner's endorsement as a reason to vote Trump.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 02:22 PM (R+30W)

4 That says so much about why we're fucked.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:22 PM (9221z)

5 Yet, I feel like Bart Simpson

"Sorry, Ace, the mob has spoken......Monorail!"

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 28, 2016 02:22 PM (WS0Gv)

6 Once the shackles of constitutional limits are thrown off, there is little to restrain government or the people other than the character of the leaders

Silly. The character of the leaders is all that ever restrains them. Constitutional limits are not physical boundaries, they are only obeyed by leaders of character and virtue. The shackles of constitutional limits don't disappear, they're just ignored.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)

7 Yeah, this kinda negates the whole Lena Dunham fleeing the country thing.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (9221z)

8 Vote: When Boehner said this was he:

A 1/2 in the bag
B Shit-faced
C Torqued beyond the ability for rational thought

Posted by: duke at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (EQNFN)

9 This is how it works:

When Trump has connections to the Establishment, it's because he's making great deals and using the Establishment to serve his purposes, not the other way around.

When anyone else is connected to the Establishment, that's because they're fully corrupted by and assimilated into it, like the Borg.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (aFa2V)

10 Boner is just trying to help out Cruz by giving him a too-late GOP endorsement.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (T78UI)

11 Dude, get over it already. Do you want to defeat Hillary or not?

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (WBahS)

12 On the other hand, perhaps this is a good time to point out that Lindsey Graham endorsed Cruz.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (R+30W)

13 8 Vote: When Boehner said this was he:

A 1/2 in the bag
B Shit-faced
C Torqued beyond the ability for rational thought
Posted by: duke at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (EQNFN)

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100% sober and dying for a drink.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (FdQL3)

14 12 On the other hand, perhaps this is a good time to point out that Lindsey Graham endorsed Cruz.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (R+30W)

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Graham picked a poison. Boehner picked a golfing buddy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (FdQL3)

15 Cruz today said, "That's funny, because I've never worked with Boehner. I've said hello to him in the hall. If I've exchanged 50 words with him in my life I'd be surprised".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (1xUj/)

16 I don't see texting buddies as some proof of establishment or being an insider. They aren't fond of Trump, either, they just hate Cruz more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (39g3+)

17 Boehner and Trump texting buddies. Hey, Trump people how is this not a horrendous blow for your anti establishment candidate?

Posted by: Seems legit at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (U+nHb)

18 "Boehner for the most part accepted Trump as the presumptive Republican nominee, though he did express his surprise at the candidate's success. While he did not praise Trump's policies, the Speaker did say he would vote for Trump in the general election if he becomes the Republican nominee. The former Speaker said he would not, however, vote for Cruz."

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (uURQL)

19 Send me money. Please. No seriously, would you like a Cruz / Carly t-shirt?? Get 'em while there hot!

Posted by: Ted Cruz at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (WBahS)

20 Well, one good thing will come out of this. It destroys the lie that some Trump fans keep repeating, about how Cruz is an insider and part of the GOP establishment.

Pretty much forever.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (iIzG7)

21 Trump craves approval and acclaim. How will he get that in DC if he somehow becomes POTUS? Not by doing what his supporters want but by doing what the hated establishment wants.

Posted by: Anachronism at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (LOC7Q)

22 16 I don't see texting buddies as some proof of establishment or being an insider. They aren't fond of Trump, either, they just hate Cruz more.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (39g3+)

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Are you texting buddies with people you don't like? With people who you can't get along with? With people who want to tear your job away from you and undermine your way of governance?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (FdQL3)

23 Which one is oranger? Trump or Weeping Boner?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (FsuaD)

24

Boehner has been saying he will vote for Hillary over Cruz and that he really wants a coontested convention so he can push Ryan

Boehner wants Ryan. He has been saying this since March

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (zOTsN)

25 11 Dude, get over it already. Do you want to defeat Hillary or not?

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (WBahS)

++++

Ace already said he would rather vote Hillary than Trump. I'm just wondering what this place will look like as a pro-Hillary site.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (R+30W)

26 Cruz said "it's not surprising Donald [Trump] attacked Hillary Clinton for being a woman."

sounds pretty miserable to me

Posted by: x at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (nFwvY)

27 This isn't an endorsement of Trump over Cruz. It is an indictment of the GOP Establishment.

Posted by: dogfish at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (SSeCw)

28 Once again Bush lied and we have to pay for it !!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (NuElX)

29 I was unaware that my opinion of Boehner could go lower. And yet it did.

I'm fascinated by Cruz's response that if he's said 50 words to Boehner in his life he'd be surprised. Is anyone going to ask Orange Boy just when it was he worked with Cruz?

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (mf5HN)

30 I think Cruz is done. We're all in on reality show politics.

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (MJuTN)

31 Boehner is such a turd.Why is he even opening his bitch mouth about a candidate?

Posted by: steevy at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (B48dK)

32 Who then again is in the establishment?

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (8BJMp)

33 Boehner and Trump texting buddies. Hey, Trump people how is this not a horrendous blow for your anti establishment candidate?
Posted by: Seems legit at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (U+nHb)

TextGate will finally accomplish what FieldsGate, MegynGate, and SmallHandsGate have failed to do - destroy the Trump train.

Only Cruz will save us now.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (uURQL)

34 25 Ace already said he would rather vote Hillary than Trump. I'm just wondering what this place will look like as a pro-Hillary site.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (R+30W)

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I think it'll be more along the lines of a burn it all down site.

I'd imagine that if he goes pro anybody, it'll be a third party figure like Gary Johnson.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (FdQL3)

35 "Boehner and Trump texting buddies."

Hey Donald. Could you lend me some balls?

Posted by: Boehner at April 28, 2016 02:27 PM (j2xmV)

36 Let's Make Establishment Cronyism Great Again!

Posted by: Don & John at April 28, 2016 02:27 PM (hdpay)

37 We need a sidebar kitteh. STAT.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:27 PM (FsuaD)

38 Maybe Boehner tests out self-tanners for Trump.

Posted by: @votermom at April 28, 2016 02:27 PM (nbrY/)

39 Bone has often had an orange glow, it isn't a Jersey tan is it?

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 28, 2016 02:27 PM (SXLjq)

40 You know Trump has basically locked up the nomination, right?

And you know Trump is now polling even with Hillary, right?

And you know the economy is poised to fall off a cliff, right?

So what's to worry about? Trump will win, a conservative will get appointed to Scalia's seat, the death watch for Ginsberg and Breyer continues...

All is well.

Posted by: Dogstar at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (6fBvX)

41 >>Well, one good thing will come out of this. It destroys the lie that some Trump fans keep repeating, about how Cruz is an insider and part of the GOP establishment.

>>Pretty much forever.

Obviously, you haven't been watching the Trump movement closely. His supporters are not bothered by tedious things like facts and evidence. They answer to a higher, oranger calling.

They will go right on insisting that Trump is an outsider and Cruz is part of the establishment.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (/tuJf)

42 33 TextGate will finally accomplish what FieldsGate, MegynGate, and SmallHandsGate have failed to do - destroy the Trump train.

Only Cruz will save us now.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (uURQL)

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Of course it won't, but we'll either be saddled with Hillary Clinton as president or Donald Trump.

Either way we're getting an immigration bill signed into law that makes the Go8 look like a border wall only bill.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (FdQL3)

43 This isn't an endorsement of Trump over Cruz. It is an indictment of the GOP Establishment.

Yeah, exactly. Only people desperate to find some way to bash trump would find a victory here. Another crapfest post to avoid.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (39g3+)

44 this is easily explained

1. Boehner blames Cruz for his being "fired" and

2. Boehner is looking for work, from Trump, which leads me to believe

3. Boehner is a whore

look for him to vote Hillary and change party

OTOH, he doesn need to does he

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (zOTsN)

45 In particular, the former speaker said he has played golf with Donald Trump for years...
________

People like to talk about DC cocktail parties, but maybe we should take a closer look at the old-boy networking in golf clubs (Trump with Hannity, Limbaugh and now Boehner).

Posted by: Dixie Wetsworth at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (Y/myN)

46 Boehner is a coward not to have spoken up earlier. But he didn't want to let the cat out of the bag on how Trump is the establishment guy.

It's not that the establishment wants Trump to win. It's that they know Trump is Hillary's only path to winning, as on paper Trump is actually to the left of Hillary, and on many issues, such as basic decency, treatment of veterans, and family values, Trump is as bad as possible.

The GOP might as well nominate Jane Fonda. Yeah, I guess I prefer Hillary win over Jane Fonda or Trump. Although at this point secession is the least bad solution.,

Posted by: Dustin at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (a7sQX)

47 Have to hand it to the establishment. They have neatly arranged it so they will survive in November no matter what happens.

I was looking at my own company's financials last night. We will do pretty well in the Hillary administration. Ironically, the only scenario where we potentially lose money is if Cruz were to get elected and start paring back the budget. I guess my own self interest has been taken care of despite my personal preferences.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (03TIh)

48 25

Well, Ace voted for Bill Clinton so why wouldn't she pull the trigger for Hillary?

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (WBahS)

49 We need a sidebar kitteh. STAT.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:27 PM (FsuaD)

ENDORSED

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (mf5HN)

50 It's crucial you all read Cruz's reply.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (U+nHb)

51
Full quote from Cruz to what I was referring to in bottom of last thread:

CRUZ: "Well, listen it is not surprising that Donald Trump attacks Hillary for being a woman. Donald has a problem with strong women. This is not subtle, it's not complicated, he has a real problem with strong women, it's one of the reasons he cannot win a general election."

You can't say shit like that.
Trump sucks too. He can't stop shitting on Ted Cruz for no good reason. He did it again today in Indiana.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (T0BVJ)

52 Hey, get that stuff outta here. I want nothing to do with him.

Posted by: TheReadLucifer at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (eXTZt)

53 2015: Man we have a murderer's row of candidates next year. Hillary is toast!!

2016: Fuuuuuuuuuu.....where's the g-d valurite

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (t06LC)

54 Trump/Boehner 2016; Team Orange Crush!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (1xUj/)

55 pretend anti-establisment stalwart Trump

Or Boehner is just an asshole.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (DL2i+)

56 40
And you know Trump is now polling even with Hillary, right?

Posted by: Dogstar at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (6fBvX)

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One outlier poll. Show me some corroboration before stating this as a fact.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (FdQL3)

57 Cruz is totally unelectable.

Even if he somehow got the nomination, everyone hates him. It's best he just gets in line and waits for a Supreme Court appointment.

It's in the genes.

Just like thoroughbred horses. The horse has nothing to do with winning the race. It's all in the genes.

Cruz don't have the winning genes.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (Zs4uk)

58 Is Cruz hurting or helping his chances for Trump to appoint him to SCOTUS?

Posted by: huh? at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (j2xmV)

59 Did Boehner check his orange privilege?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (WS0Gv)

60
btw, the Bobby Knight endorsement at the event was interesting.

Coach Knight said he "I don't give a damn about Republicans." The Trump crowd at the rally cheered. Loudly.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:30 PM (T0BVJ)

61 You can't say shit like that.

Why not?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:30 PM (dpnZC)

62 "'Lucifer in the flesh,' the former speaker said [of Ted Cruz]."

I cut the cord completely to Hollyweird years ago, so someone will have to fill in the details, but, um, isn't there a popular television program right now where the central plot and casting gimmick is in presenting Lucifer as a sympathetic character?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)

63 Cruz does not now, nor has he at any point in the campaign, had a true chance to win this thing. The best he can do is to disrupt the process and deny Trump the nomination. If he does so, he will, like Christie when he took out Rubio, be himself immolated.

He really needs to get out while the gettin' is good.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (eXTZt)

64 I thought the establishment was #nevertrump

Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (/ygaY)

65 Coach Knight said he "I don't give a damn about Republicans." The Trump crowd at the rally cheered. Loudly.

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That much is clear.

Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

66 Oh to be a True Conservative, eternally baffled, eternally suspicious.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (xuouz)

67 The title of this thread should be-

"OrangAid for Cruz"

or

"OrangAid for Trump"

It works either way.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (0cMkb)

68 Did Boehner check his orange privilege?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (WS0Gv)

I'm actually dismissing Boehner's comments as nothing more than orange solidarity and pride.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (t06LC)

69 60 60
btw, the Bobby Knight endorsement at the event was interesting.

Coach Knight said he "I don't give a damn about Republicans." The Trump crowd at the rally cheered. Loudly.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:30 PM (T0BVJ)

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Burning anything down is now more important than governance that can help right the ship of the USA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (FdQL3)

70 "pretend anti-establisment stalwart Trump... Or Boehner is just an asshole."

Or?

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (iIzG7)

71
Why not?

Posted by: chemjeff

I'm not going to even bother.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (T0BVJ)

72 But I'm sure the pretend anti-establisment stalwart Trump will say this
just shows how Cruz "can't get along with people" to "make great deals."

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Yeah, probably. And it will be an effective strategy.

Drives people crazy when Trump does what he does, but it's working. As opposed to Ted's act.

Ace, you probably remember this, but a few years ago, during all that shut-down drama, you diagnosed Cruz at that time, talking about how weak his chin looked, and how flabby his body is.

It wasn't entirely his physical appearance, which you know. It's the man himself.

In understand why people want him to be something. Having enemies like Boener are precisely why he's valuable. But it doesn't make him Presidential, and he's not going to muster enough votes to do anything other than have a presence at the convention. Like Rick Sanctotum did 4 years ago.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (TOk1P)

73 Obviously, you haven't been watching the Trump movement closely. His supporters are not bothered by tedious things like facts and evidence. They answer to a higher, oranger calling.

They will go right on insisting that Trump is an outsider and Cruz is part of the establishment.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (/tuJf)

Exactly. These are the same people who believed Obama in 08 & 12. Its cult of personality now.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (9221z)

74 Trumpsters just close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and cry la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la until the scary moment has passed.

Posted by: Mary at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (2ly7u)

75 Yo B-Dog...banged another hottie last nght.

8====D~~~~~

LULZ

Posted by: Trump at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (BrQrN)

76 "Coach Knight said he "I don't give a damn about Republicans." The Trump crowd at the rally cheered. Loudly. "

Yeah, I caught that. We are in a post-party period, at least for 2016.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (eXTZt)

77 I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE AND I BRING YOU
Low taxes
Border control
Common sense

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (Nwg0u)

78 Nobody in Congress likes Ted Cruz.
Donald Trump is a glad-hander.

Things I already knew.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (hLRSq)

79 So guys, here's what I do.

Imagine what a soros-funded true-believer socialist would look like if they really committed, daily, to an undercover role as a concern troll here on the HQ.

Then don't talk to that person.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (xuouz)

80 Ur the coolest!

Posted by: B-Dog at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (BrQrN)

81 CRUZ: "Well, listen it is not surprising that Donald Trump attacks Hillary for being a woman.

Whelps. I have no use for Cruz now.

*shrug*

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (uURQL)

82 \
Burning anything down is now more important than governance that can help right the ship of the USA.

Some might say torching the GOP is the first step in righting the ship. After all, some might say, Republicans are part of the Problem, too.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (T0BVJ)

83 Attacking Hillary for being a woman just plays right into the whole leftist victimology strategy. Bad idea. Attack Hillary for her terrible ideas. But to say that she wouldn't get 5% of the vote if she were a man? Umm, no, that is kinda stupid

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (dpnZC)

84 Years from now, there are going to be multiple graduate students in psychology and sociology writing Ph. D. dissertations about cognitive dissonance in the Trump faithful over the course of the primaries.

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (7gYQa)

85 "Exactly. These are the same people who believed Obama in 08 & 12. Its cult of personality now."

Nope. You're totally wrong. Trumpkins have no illusions about Trump's fallibility. He's a flawed character like the rest of us. That's part of his appeal. Obama was, to his supporters, a God hovering above us.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (eXTZt)

86 We orange men have to stick together. If only we could get that albino Mitch into the booth

Posted by: D. J. Trump at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (dZQw4)

87 "And you know Trump is now polling even with Hillary, right? "

No he is not. The most recent LV poll (1000 sample size) has Trump down 11 and Clinton at 50%.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (03TIh)

88 Boehner cried more than any other politician I can think of. He's a whiny bitch who quit a cake career trying to act like he's above the name-calling fray, when he is the fray. He probably has legitimate emotional issues despite his incredible good fortune. You would've made a great millennial, JB. Go away.

Posted by: 0302 at April 28, 2016 02:34 PM (wx6iv)

89 how much you want to bet cruz made him cry at some point

Posted by: chelsea danger at April 28, 2016 02:34 PM (1nFsQ)

90 82 \
Burning anything down is now more important than governance that can help right the ship of the USA.

Some might say torching the GOP is the first step in righting the ship. After all, some might say, Republicans are part of the Problem, too.
Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (T0BVJ)

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But then you leave progressives in a great place of power to do kind of whatever they want.

It's not just taking out the king, it's replacing the king with the right person, and not thinking about what comes after is a sure way to not getting what you want.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 28, 2016 02:34 PM (FdQL3)

91 Upon due consideration, this is my favorite of the signs to thieves:

http://bit.ly/23amyMl

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (mf5HN)

92 The Republican ethos:

Condescension
Suspicion
Confusion
Projection

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (xuouz)

93 Ur the coolest!

Posted by: B-Dog

Obvs

Posted by: Trump at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (BrQrN)

94
My God I'm gonna enjoy being president!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (HSmrB)

95 Is Cruz hurting or helping his chances for Trump to appoint him to SCOTUS?

Posted by: huh? at April 28, 2016 02:29 PM (j2xmV)
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Why would any conservative want to take Cruz out of the Senate? There are enough conservative jurists out there, but hardly any reliable politicians. I dont get why people think of this as some kind of generous and enticing offer.

Posted by: Dixie Wetsworth at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (Y/myN)

96 Boehner is still pissed off that HOUSE Republicans looked to Ted Cruz for leadership during the budget battles, not his orangeness, the craven John No Balls Boehner.

Remember the stories? I do.

Posted by: rd at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (v0YLX)

97 "Obama was, to his supporters, a God hovering above us."

Picture me, angry and green, saying "puny god."

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (iIzG7)

98 Exactly. These are the same people who believed Obama in 08 & 12. Its cult of personality now.
Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (9221z)

1. I've hated Obama from the beginning. OG Hater.
2. You're going to have to appeal to Obama voters, unless you're planning to do some bloody culling.

Fact is that the expansion of suffrage and the TV age has made it so that rhetoric is more important than dialectic for campaigning. Adapt or die.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (uURQL)

99 This has to be a joke:

Ada Statler-Throckmorton
Desk Editor

Them people at Snodfart sure are high-falootin'!

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at April 28, 2016 02:35 PM (RcpcZ)

100 "Cruz is totally unelectable."

I tend to agree, but this is an unusual cycle. Highly unusual. We could see the FBI recommend that Hillary be indicted, and have the Lynch DOJ then decline to do so. We could see a serious economic and stock market crash, signs of which are already in the offing. There are all sorts of odd nonlinear imponderables.

So Cruz could prove out to be circumstantially electable. As could Trump.

In a normal cycle, either one of them would be doomed.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 02:36 PM (noWW6)

101 I got a problem when a 60+ yo man describes another 60+ year old man as his 'texting buddy." WTeverlovinF?!

Posted by: Tami at April 28, 2016 02:36 PM (Enq6K)

102 51
Full quote from Cruz to what I was referring to in bottom of last thread:

CRUZ: "Well, listen it is not surprising that Donald Trump attacks Hillary for being a woman. Donald has a problem with strong women. This is not subtle, it's not complicated, he has a real problem with strong women, it's one of the reasons he cannot win a general election."

You can't say shit like that.
Trump sucks too. He can't stop shitting on Ted Cruz for no good reason. He did it again today in Indiana.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:28 PM (T0BVJ)

++++

Did you see Trump's attack on Hillary? It was beautiful.

Well, I think the only thing she has going is the woman's card. She has nothing else going. And frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man I don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. The only thing she's got going is the woman's card. And the beautiful thing is, women don't like her.

http://tinyurl.com/jlmubmw

So Cruz steps in and White Knights for Hillary. Cruz needs to be shit on.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 02:36 PM (R+30W)

103 Gin soaked endorsements are the second best kind.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 02:36 PM (etV2e)

104
Listen, friend, I'm done pretending the Republicans are some sort of bulwark for the Leftist agenda.
Many of us are.

Exhibit A: John Boehner

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:37 PM (T0BVJ)

105 Years from now, there are going to be multiple graduate students in psychology and sociology writing Ph. D. dissertations about cognitive dissonance in the Trump faithful over the course of the primaries.
Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (7gYQa)

OR!

In the opposition.

We'll see.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:37 PM (xuouz)

106 I have to go get my TV repaired now--I turned on FOX and an entire 60 seconds went by without Donald Trump on. Oh, wait--it was just a Depends commercial.

Okay--that's better; they're covering his empty podium now. They should ask that podium the hard questions: "Why do you, Mr. M.T. Podium, get more airtime than Kasich?"

Trick Question! All Trump podiums are empty podiums.

FOX, except for the brighter lights there, has become an in-kind contribution to the Establishment's Darling.

Although Ted never spoke to Boehner except in pleasantries, Boehner calls him "Lucifer" because Ted confronted the Obama /Boehner Axis of Uni-Party.

Did you ever hear Boehner talk about Obama that way? Or Hillary? Or even his buddy, the "outsider" Trump? Why does the Establishment Love their Blonde Obama so? Because he's firmly on the team.

Donald is the Establishment's Thing. Just Ask His Buddy. Buddy Boehner.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 28, 2016 02:37 PM (Ndje9)

107 *waves to Tami*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:37 PM (FsuaD)

108 >>Nope. You're totally wrong. Trumpkins have no illusions about Trump's fallibility. He's a flawed character like the rest of us. That's part of his appeal. Obama was, to his supporters, a God hovering above us.

I don't believe that for a second. Trump isn't just flawed, we are all flawed, he's a world class bullshit artist. He's just making shit up as he goes along and those who are in his camp refuse to either see it or admit it.

He is, or at least was, a borderline truther. A supporter of abortion including late term abortion. Wants to raise taxes. Refuses to touch entitlements but insists he can balance the budget in 8 years.

If people want to buy his bullshit then that's on them. But he isn't some super serious truth teller. He's just a real estate salesman bullshiter. They're a dime a dozen.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:38 PM (/tuJf)

109 Orange dude says they've been golfing buddies for years and they're also texting buddies. Pretty sure that can't be construed as hating Trump.

And as to Lindsey Graham's Cruz endorsement, keep in mind that a few days 4 weeks before he had joked about murdering Cruz on the senate floor and no one caring. He endorsed Cruz in desperation. It's hardly the same thing.

Also remember that Trump knocked Cruz for not getting along with people in the Senate.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 28, 2016 02:38 PM (6bMel)

110 George Washington U. Background poll 3 days ago showed Trump within 3 of Hillary. Today, Rasmussen shows them tied at 38%.

The arc of history is bending, as our president might say. But it ain't bending towards his pretend endorsee, Hillary.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:38 PM (eXTZt)

111 Trump is only texting buddies with Boehner as part of his grand 23 dimensional chess game where he wins influence over every American with their hands on the levers of power. It's a classic Serbian Jew Double Bluff.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 02:38 PM (kumBu)

112 So Cruz steps in and White Knights for Hillary. Cruz needs to be shit on.

Worthless GOP sellout.

Teams up with Kasich. Relays Leftist talking points about mob violence being Trump's fault, and now repeats #WarOnWomen attacks to protect Hillary.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:38 PM (uURQL)

113
So Cruz steps in and White Knights for Hillary.

Pretty much. What's worse, is Cruz used Left's style, too, which only empowers the Left.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (T0BVJ)

114 We need a sidebar kitteh. STAT.

ENDORSED

Well I was going to save this one for the Friday Afternoon Horde starts talking about drinking thread but since there's 2 requests.

http://cheezburger.com/8773460992

No treats thru the USB though - too much lunch.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (DL2i+)

115 " Attack Hillary for her terrible ideas."

No. That is what some simpleton beta republican would do.

Attack Hillary with the fact she's a criminal. Recount all the crimes and obfuscations of the past 30 years. Hammer her on the fact she hates the military and Secret Service. Call her out on ruining women who protested being raped and groped by Bill.

Go after her with a vengeance.

That's how you do it.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (Zs4uk)

116 RCP latest polls:

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton GWU/Battleground Clinton 46, Trump 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 50, Trump 39 Clinton +11

Trump is not polling "even" with Hillary.

That +3 poll is encouraging for him, though.

We'll see.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (UBBWX)

117 Buddy Boehner as Texting Buddy...

Clinton's as wedding guests...

You don't get more anti-establishment than that!

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (etV2e)

118 >>>He's a flawed character like the rest of us. That's part of his appeal. Obama was, to his supporters, a God hovering above us.

Bull-fucking-shit. Same thing, cult of personality.

Posted by: Arson Wells at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (/E+t2)

119 89 how much you want to bet cruz made him cry at some point
Posted by: chelsea danger at April 28, 2016 02:34 PM (1nFsQ)

It's a certainty. Probably franked some postage to the Cato Institute under Boehner's signature in front of him just to rub it in, too.

Posted by: 0302 at April 28, 2016 02:40 PM (wx6iv)

120 "If people want to buy his bullshit then that's on them. But he isn't some super serious truth teller. He's just a real estate salesman bullshiter. They're a dime a dozen."

Really? And these dime a dozen real estate salesman have built huge hotels the world over, run a highly successful TV program, written a top-selling book on business?

Ridiculous.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:40 PM (eXTZt)

121 Dude, get over it already. Do you want to defeat Hillary or not?

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (WBahS)

Once Trump gets the nomination, Hillary will be the next President.

At this point, we must start preparing for the aftermath.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 28, 2016 02:40 PM (vBeA5)

122 That's about as valuable as having the UMass porker endorse your restaurant

Posted by: Pep at April 28, 2016 02:40 PM (qvACK)

123 And lovely Boehner lied about having worked with Cruz.

You should watch Cruz's response to Lyin' Boner's idiotic remark.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (6bMel)

124
Cruz's biggest problem is his personality. I alluded to his sad-sack face he makes. It's bad tv optics. He looks like he's about to cry.

I'm sure he's a great guy. But he's a lousy candidate, and now he reeks of desperation.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (T0BVJ)

125 My favorite bit of Trumplogic, as seen in this thread:

The guy who polls better head-to-head with Hillary can't win, but the guy who polls worse head-to-head with Hillary will.

Once it's pointed out that this is dumb, the response becomes:

Whatever, this is a burn-it-down election.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (aFa2V)

126 Obviously Cruz is trying to get wimmenz votes since wimmenz hate Trump.

But - this shtick never works for Republicans. Wimmenz who hate Trump already hate Cruz more, automatically, because Christian patriarchy and banner of sex toys.

Posted by: @votermom at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (nbrY/)

127

Yeah,, Cruz is the spoiler I talked into running, not that horrible hack Trump...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (HSmrB)

128 Ghost of Kari, #79:

"Imagine what a soros-funded true-believer socialist would look like if they really committed, daily, to an undercover role as a concern troll here on the HQ."

It's easy to imagine - he'd give himself away, much quicker than Lt Hickox and his wrong three fingers in Inglourious Basterds. Liberals don't have much of an ear for conservatism. I can do a dead-on straight-faced liberal impersonation, however.

Posted by: JPS at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (LB6W+)

129
Well I was going to save this one for the Friday
Afternoon Horde starts talking about drinking thread but since there's 2
requests.

http://cheezburger.com/8773460992

No treats thru the USB though - too much lunch.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (DL2i+)

awwwww......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (FsuaD)

130 Pretty much. What's worse, is Cruz used Left's style, too, which only empowers the Left.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (T0BVJ)

Conservatives help the Left. Repeatedly. Adopts their morality. Purge the racists/sexists/genderists! Where racist /sexist/genderist is judged using a Leftist standard.

Token opposition.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (uURQL)

131

I can either do anything I can to stop Hillary from being POTUS

or I can support the republican party

it does not seem I can do both, and truth be told I no longer give a fuck about the republican party

Boehner is not an outlier, he is the norm. They will never let Cruz win. He cant on first ballot and they will not allow it on second ballot. He seems to be the only one that does not know this. Either they put a third person in, or its Trump. If the convention is contested and they put in a third person, Hillary will win.

I prefer Cruz but he will not beat Hillary. He will never even get the nom

This is no cult of personality or misplaced hero worship. I see Trumps flaws, and frankly they all have them. Ego, bombast, self serving.

At this point I will vote for anyone I think has the best chance to beat the Author of Benghazi. This is not making me happy it makes me miserable

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (zOTsN)

132 "At this point, we must start preparing for the aftermath."

If you mean "stock up on ammo and freeze-dried food," I'm way ahead of you.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (iIzG7)

133 My second-favorite bit of Trumplogic:

Trump's going to pivot to the general election. He'll pick up ground in the polls once he does.

Yeah, when's that going to start?

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (A6sW3)

134 If people want to buy his bullshit then that's on them. But he isn't some super serious truth teller. He's just a real estate salesman bullshiter. They're a dime a dozen.

His "presidential" foreign policy speech yesterday epitomized his appeal and his shortcomings.

It was pretty much in two parts: an indictment of the Obama/Clinton foreign policy disasters and his prescriptions for dealing with the world.

The first part, the indictment, was pure red meat. Laid out all the bungles from the Mideast to Ukraine, all the enemies bowed to, all the friends let down.

The second part was sort of "trust me, I'll know how to deal with it".

People gravitate to him because he calls a spade a spade. I do not trust that he has any idea what to do.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (1xUj/)

135 Boehner is a jackass, but why does Cruz create such hate among his colleagues?

You don't see him talking about Rand Paul or Jeff Sessions, the Freedom Caucus, etc like this, only Cruz. Boehner is even golfing buddies with Rush Limbaugh, so it's not ideological.

Down the line, every Republican seems to hate Cruz. Even George W. Bush who never says a bad thing about anyone.

The guy is obviously a prick. It's not because he's a "super awesome" conservative that so many people can't stand him. Even back in his college days, he garnered this reaction.

Posted by: Clementine at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (nq/J2)

136 Orange seeks Orange.

It's Cruz/Fiorina vs. the Trump/Clinton/OBoehner Crony Class.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (Ndje9)

137 Its so unfair for Cruz to point out Trumps problems with women.

Now, let's talk about how Cruz's own kid blah blah blah.

Trump supporters, this is how you turn off people.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (UBBWX)

138 Every single confident prediction about Trump has been wrong. Every one. The Republican establishment is the black knight from monty python's holy grail.

"Get back here you yellow bastard! I'll bite your bloody legs off!"

Most pitiful are the internet tough guys at RedState. At this point they're yelling at traffic. You can scream all you want, guys, you're not gonna move any faster.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (xuouz)

139 Every time I see threads like this, I feel like the guy in the back of the ISIS truck.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (fr6c3)

140
Attack Hillary with the fact she's a criminal.
Recount all the crimes and obfuscations of the past 30 years. Hammer
her on the fact she hates the military and Secret Service. Call her out
on ruining women who protested being raped and groped by Bill.

Go after her with a vengeance.

That's how you do it.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (Zs4uk)
Except Trump didn't do that either. He attacked her for being a woman, implying that she only got this far because she's a woman. Do you think this is a fair and legitimate line of argumentation?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (dpnZC)

141 Nope. You're totally wrong. Trumpkins have no illusions about Trump's fallibility. He's a flawed character like the rest of us. That's part of his appeal. Obama was, to his supporters, a God hovering above us.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:33 PM (eXTZt)

Trumpsters treat Trump like a god. They have no illusions about his fallibility because they think he's infallible! More than half of Trumpsters I've encountered voted for Obama at least once! They're attracted to the Strong Man/Messiah character. Policies don't matter. Slogans and feelings rule.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (9221z)

142 My favorite bit of Trumplogic, as seen in this thread:

The guy who polls better head-to-head with Hillary can't win, but the guy who polls worse head-to-head with Hillary will.

Once it's pointed out that this is dumb, the response becomes:

Whatever, this is a burn-it-down election.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (aFa2V)

well lets look at the polls

Kasich polls best against her. Kasich is exactly like her in all his policy positions

Polls say we should have Kasich

Who really believes Kasich can beat her

i do not

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (zOTsN)

143 25 Ace already said he would rather vote Hillary than Trump. I'm just wondering what this place will look like as a pro-Hillary site.

Little Green Aces.

Posted by: Michael at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (KClXw)

144 John Boehner: the Abu Hajjar of the Republican Party.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (YFFpo)

145 It's easy to imagine - he'd give himself away, much quicker than Lt Hickox and his wrong three fingers in Inglourious Basterds. Liberals don't have much of an ear for conservatism. I can do a dead-on straight-faced liberal impersonation, however.
Posted by: JPS at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (LB6W+)

Twist: this one actually thinks he's a republican.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (xuouz)

146 I am curious what happens to the Trump supporters after the election if he loses. The GOP establishment will still be there, and the next elections they will put up the same establishment candidates. Since amnesty will become the law of the land in 2017, that issue will be off the table for a generation.

What do the pissed off Trump voters do next? Withdraw from the process?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (03TIh)

147 When can we expect to see Trump's Financials?

Still waiting on those Tax Documents to be released...

And I'm sure Hillary and her minions will be every bit as understanding as the Little Hands Brigade in waiting for these, as well.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (etV2e)

148 *waves back to Jane!*

How was your trip?

Posted by: Tami at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (Enq6K)

149 well, for what it's worth, that fightin-ist fag-o Milo Y at Breitbart has pretty much endorsed Trump and is urging others to get with the program.

Honestly. I cannot believe anyone who has generally voted Republican in the past would vote for Hillery. Or as Milo put it:

"Sure, you may not like Trump, but is he worse than Hillary? Are you really going to walk down to your polling station, vote for the Republican candidate for Senator and Congressman, and then leave the Presidential ballot empty? Would you really let another Clinton romp into the White House?"

Posted by: Satan of Cloggenwurst Vt at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (qSIlh)

150 "Down the line, every Republican seems to hate Cruz."

Read his book. He came to DC still believing.

Found out all the Senators don't really believe - its all a show for votes. Cruz revealed that. They hate him.

Oh, and yes, he's a prick.

so is Trump. He screws over little people all the time.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (UBBWX)

151 Posted by: Clementine at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (nq/J2)

I suspect he's one of those guys who has to win every argument. Kind of like Sheldon Cooper.

Posted by: @votermom at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (nbrY/)

152 125 My favorite bit of Trumplogic, as seen in this thread:

The guy who polls better head-to-head with Hillary can't win, but the guy who polls worse head-to-head with Hillary will.

Once it's pointed out that this is dumb, the response becomes:

Whatever, this is a burn-it-down election.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (aFa2V)

There's a reason its called the "Stupid Party".

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (9221z)

153 It ever cross your mind that a lot of Cruz's colleagues may dislike him cuz he's a genuinely unpleasant guy, and not everything exists in abstract establishment/non-establishment land

Posted by: Observer at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (gYGjN)

154 Its so unfair for Cruz to point out Trumps problems with women.
Now, let's talk about how Cruz's own kid blah blah blah.
Trump supporters, this is how you turn off people.
Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (UBBWX)

Do you get paid by the post, or per hour?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (uURQL)

155 That was the finest backstab I've seen since my D&D days.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2016 02:45 PM (XddTe)

156 >>>Once Trump gets the nomination, Hillary will be the next President.

At this point, we must start preparing for the aftermath.

I respectfully disagree Hat. Hillary won the presidency the minute the Trump crowd said give Trump the nomination or they would sit out and when the rest of the base decided the Clown Bullshit Artist was not worth voting for.

Posted by: Arson Wells at April 28, 2016 02:45 PM (/E+t2)

157 Lyin' Ted Cruz + That Face = Disaster

Boehner - a great guy, pretty good golfer - knows this. All the smart people know this.

Posted by: The Donald at April 28, 2016 02:45 PM (sgrzZ)

158
How was your trip?

Posted by: Tami at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (Enq6K)

Didn't get eaten, so great.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:45 PM (FsuaD)

159 Well I was going to save this one for the Friday Afternoon Horde starts talking about drinking thread but since there's 2 requests.

http://cheezburger.com/8773460992

No treats thru the USB though - too much lunch.
Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 02:39 PM (DL2i+)

I like it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 02:45 PM (mf5HN)

160 >>Really? And these dime a dozen real estate salesman have built huge hotels the world over, run a highly successful TV program, written a top-selling book on business?

Yea, quite a few. I've done some work in a tertiary way for the Tisch family in NY. They make Trump look like a piker. And then of course there are the Wilpons, owners of amongst other toys the NY Mets. And we're still in NYC.

Trump is just more well known because what he is really good at aside from inheriting his dad's real estate empire is self-promotion. For those of us who grew up in and around NYC, Trump has been a society page fixture all our lives.

I accept that he is likely to be the nominee. But he is not some super outsider who's come to wreck the Republican Party. He's a go along, get along grifter who just wants to "do great deals".

Just out of curiosity, who do you think he plans on doing those deals with?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (/tuJf)

161
Trump has already exceeded Romney's total 2012 primary vote and there's still 9 states left including the huge California. Trump is going to crush the primary vote total record by millions, and that's with Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio each getting millions of votes along with him.

Trump's unfavorables are greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (T0BVJ)

162 I like Cruz, I caucused for Cruz.

But I will vote for Trump. I would enthusiastically vote for Trump / Cruz if Trump agreed to have Cruz in charge of judicial nominees, cleaning up the DOJ, and gutting the alphabet departments. Trump will be busy enough with Foreign Policy, Trade, Taxes, and the VA.

Posted by: rd at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (v0YLX)

163 And you know Trump is now polling even with Hillary, right?

LOL, keep repeating that trumpkins. He is down -11 in an average aggregate of all polls, including being tied in Utah, +3 in Mississippi and -14 in PA. Thats a huge winner- if huge winner means SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than Romney 2012 in all key demos, all key polls, all key battlegrounds.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (OHyGW)

164 "I cannot believe anyone who has generally voted Republican in the past would vote for Hillery."

Well, a lot of Trump supporters sat out Romeny. Not their kind of billionaire.

And a lot of Trump supporters are Democrats.

The white nationalist guy on FB who loves Trump was going to vote for Webb.

He also voted for Dukakis, too.

So, stop your disbelief.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (UBBWX)

165 Probably franked some postage to the Cato Institute under Boehner's signature in front of him just to rub it in, too.

Gosh, I remember when abuse of franking privileges was one of the most corrupt things I knew about.

Such an innocent age.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (1xUj/)

166 Conservatives need to a better job of fielding electable conservatives that are charismatic.

Cruz has zero likability, even when I'm agreeing with him I have an urge to punch him in the face.

Activists have this idiotic theory that the guy with the more pure voting record is going to make voters swoon.

Posted by: Bullpup at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (ELqun)

167 He attacked her for being a woman, implying that she only got this far because she's a woman.

Pointing out that an unqualified political hack got there using a woman card is not attacking her for being a woman. It's attacking her for being incompetent.

But what do you care about truthful statements.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (uURQL)

168 Dude, get over it already. Do you want to defeat Hillary or not?

Given the choice is another anti-constitutional, Fed.Gov loving NY Lib with an authoritarian streak you're sorta asking us to chose between iodine and cyanide.

Posted by: DocJ at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (zrsn3)

169 So what's to worry about? Trump will win, a conservative will get appointed to Scalia's seat, the death watch for Ginsberg and Breyer continues...

Posted by: Dogstar

Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Donald Trump's sister at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (VAsIq)

170 Except Trump didn't do that either. He attacked her
for being a woman, implying that she only got this far because she's a
woman. Do you think this is a fair and legitimate line of argumentation?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (dpnZC)

It's absurd. She only got this far because she was married to Billy boy and knows where bodies are buried.

Posted by: Tami at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (Enq6K)

171 I don't think Hillary will win anything.

I believe she'll be taken out of the race by a deus ex machina and the Democrats will rush to plug (heh heh) someone else into the race, Biden or Warren.

And either of those two would beat Trump. Not sure about Cruz.

But I really do not believe Hillary is ever going to be President.

Posted by: JEM at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (o+SC1)

172 143 25 Ace already said he would rather vote Hillary than Trump. I'm just wondering what this place will look like as a pro-Hillary site.

Little Green Aces.
Posted by: Michael at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (KClXw)

This logic I'll never get. I'm #NeverHillary!
And no she's not going to win the election. Her own base loathes her. The Special Snowflakes despise her. Even the Blacks won't come out for her. Even if she dangles that disease ridden zombie of a husband in front of them.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (9221z)

173 This isn't really a defense of DJT, more an explanation of men in general. I think men can compartmentalize things and keep emotion out of a lot things. Also, anyone I know that takes golf seriously are more than happy to play golf with anyone else who enjoys the sport as much as them. I don't think this means that Cruz is great and Trump is bad. I think it means both Boner and DJT like to play golf. And that's all.

If Boner hates Cruz as a senator that's an endorsement for Cruz. Saying that he likes playing golf with Trump doesn't say much more than that both like playing golf and are friends that way.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (2x3L+)

174 I havent seen any republican attack Hillary with the gusto they use on Cruz and Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (zOTsN)

175 "We could see the FBI recommend that Hillary be indicted, and have the Lynch DOJ then decline to do so. "

As I've been saying for months, at the moment the polls show a Trump landslide over Hillary, Obama will unleash the DoJ and indict her.

Then, due the unusual circumstances, they will fuck Bernie and George Clooney will walk away from their convention with the nomination.

Aaron Sorkin is writing his speeches right now.

It's going to be spectacle of production that goes far beyond Styrofoam Greek columns.

The democrats have received the message that celebrity equals electability.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (Zs4uk)

176 Every single confident prediction about Trump has been wrong. Every one.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016
--------------

Virtually all predictions that Trump would change, modify, or walk-back a position have come true.

The prediction that he would moderate on the wall and immigration - his signature and only real issue - have come true.

What else you got?

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (A6sW3)

177 "Trump has already exceeded Romney's total 2012 primary vote"

Can you please stop referring to primary votes as being connected to anything?

Trump can drum up more votes in the primary and then fail spectacularly in the general.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (UBBWX)

178 Trump has already exceeded Romney's total 2012 primary vote and there's still 9 states left including the huge California. Trump is going to crush the primary vote total record by millions, and that's with Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio each getting millions of votes along with him.

Trump's unfavorables are greatly exaggerated.
Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (T0BVJ)

Stop repeating stupid talking points. 1) Clinton has gotten over 2-3 million more votes 2) primary turnout has no correlation with GE results, in fact the biggest loses generally occur after high turnout, highly destructive primaries that are extremely competitive. Ask McGovern.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (OHyGW)

179 boehner hates cruz....i hate boehner.....boehner likes trump.....trump and boehner are orange....the giants are orange......i want cruz......i like orange.....i'll vote trump if i have to....because STEVENS, WOODS, DOHERTY, SMITH......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (0O7c5)

180 A Republican is someone who will drive 45 miles to do the wrong thing instead of doing the right thing in his own house.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (xuouz)

181 Didn't get eaten, so great.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:45 PM (FsuaD)

YAY! I always look for that as a great trip. Well that and TSA didn't abuse me.

Posted by: Tami at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (Enq6K)

182 Trump's unfavorables are greatly exaggerated.
Posted by: Mr. Rourke
____________

I agree, if someone asked me, I would probably say I have an unfavorable opinion of Trump and so does the rest of my family.

And all of them will vote for Trump on Election Day. Tears will be streaming down my face if he wins.

That question is not decisive about how someone will vote.

Posted by: Bullpup at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (ELqun)

183 Need moar ISIS gettin' killed videos.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (FsuaD)

184 What did Boner say about his buddy Dennis Hastert?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (TJCSB)

185 Actually, primary results DO count y'all.

Those are the rules.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (xuouz)

186 So now we're believing everything Boehner says?

Posted by: Soona at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (Fmupd)

187 174 I havent seen any republican attack Hillary with the gusto they use on Cruz and Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (zOTsN)

This is so true. Kinda why the SMOD candidacy has done so well this cycle.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (9221z)

188 "Trump has already exceeded Romney's total 2012 primary vote"

Posted by: Harun

Cuz...he actually locked up the nomination earlier?

Posted by: Donald Trump's sister at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (VAsIq)

189 A +3 Clinton lead in a H2H poll is the best news Trump has had in months, but it's still just one poll. I don't believe in Trump's ability to magically sway the independents by reminding them of things they already know about (Bill cheated on Hillary and she looked the other way? WHOAMG! Breaking news from 1997!), but if he's that close, then the state polls are what matter. He could definitely lose the popular vote by a point or two and win the electoral.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (kumBu)

190
Can you please stop referring to primary votes as being connected to anything?

So if 100 people total turned out for the R primaries it would mean nothing?

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (T0BVJ)

191 Every single confident prediction about Trump has been wrong. Every one.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016
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Here's another confident prediction for you, which I am metaphysically certain will come true:

Within the next two weeks, Trump will react to an issue or question with a reflexive response that's closer to where the Democrats are on the issue than where the Republicans are. Within a day or two, he or someone on his staff will "clarify" his position to make it more palatable to Republicans.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (26zxJ)

192 @135: Yes, that's the reason that Cruz worries me. Even Ron Paul, who far exceeds Cruz in stepping out of the Overton window on an hourly basis, doesn't inspire nearly the level of hated in the entire Republican Party that Cruz does. Much as I furiously hate El Trumpismo and Lady Macbeth, something about Cruz doesn't sit right with me.

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (7gYQa)

193 Time for a second look at Jim Gilmore?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (WS0Gv)

194 Trump craves approval and acclaim. How will he get that in DC if he somehow becomes POTUS? Not by doing what his supporters want but by doing what the hated establishment wants.
Posted by: Anachronism at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (LOC7Q)

I don't know why more people don't get this. He wants to be loved and adored and lashed out when he isn't. You should read the articles written about him in the 80s and 90s. You may end up frightened that the person described could end up president. And no, it wasn't in his youth. He was at least in his 40s. I'm not even 40 yet.

I don't understand why so many are eager to discount his past, even his very recent past. No one else is given such leeway. We still bring up Obama's college years, FGS, and a lot of commenters were libs in college.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (6bMel)

195 Pointing out that an unqualified political hack got there using a woman
card is not attacking her for being a woman. It's attacking her for
being incompetent.

But what do you care about truthful statements.

This is what he said: "Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she would get 5% of the vote."

Trump is not criticizing her for being a hack. Trump is clearly suggesting that she only got this far because she's a woman. It plays right into the whole "war on women" crap that the left spews. "See, see, he doesn't think women are capable of being politicians on their own merits!"

And I note that you did not apologize for your lies last night. Not surprising since you were never interested in a serious discussion anyway.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (dpnZC)

196 >>"Trump has already exceeded Romney's total 2012 primary vote"

As long as there are ANY open Primaries, this metric is meaningless as any of Trump's 'Policy Statements'.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (etV2e)

197 YAY! I always look for that as a great trip. Well that and TSA didn't abuse me.

Posted by: Tami at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (Enq6K)

Don't get me started on the f*cking TSA.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (FsuaD)

198 "Cruz has zero likability, even when I'm agreeing with him I have an urge to punch him in the face."

I agree with this, but we don't have much choice.

Trump now makes me turn off the radio, and I'd like to punch him in the mouth.

Rubio was the most likeable, but everyone was upset about amnesty.

You don't get everything you want, sometimes.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (UBBWX)

199 183 Need moar ISIS gettin' killed videos.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (FsuaD)

And bewbs. This is supposed to be a smart military blog after all

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (9221z)

200 I am curious what happens to the Trump supporters
after the election if he loses. The GOP establishment will still be
there, and the next elections they will put up the same establishment
candidates. Since amnesty will become the law of the land in 2017, that
issue will be off the table for a generation.

What do the pissed off Trump voters do next? Withdraw from the process?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (03TIh)

Trump probably won't be elected, let's start there. If he's nominated and not elected, people seem to think this will be a big Gope "see, we told you so moment."

I don't see any evidence of that. Predicting what the outcome will be is a fool's game. This is a realignment election, surely your polls you've been watching tell you that, don't they?

About the safest prediction I can make at this point is that the country hasn't quite suffered enough yet. We're still not quite clear on just how badly we're doing, and so it's going to get worse.

Frankly, I don't think anyone winning or losing the 2016 election has any effect on that outcome. It's coming, no matter what.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (TOk1P)

201 Knight followed up "I don't care about republicans" with "I don't care about democrats either"

Cruz's reference to HRC as a strong woman made my stomach turn. Connected, corrupt, power hungry, pilfering lying ogre is more like it.

Once again, Cruz fumbles. You cannot use tactics of the left, ever. Reminded me of Perry's "you don't have a heart"...

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (X2j6Y)

202 Cruz fell on his ass a few days ago.

Orange just picked him up.

The gope wants Ted and Son of Mailman to keep going.

Posted by: eman at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (mR7Es)

203 boehner hates cruz....i hate boehner.....boehner likes trump.....trump and boehner are orange....the giants are orange......i want cruz......i like orange.....i'll vote trump if i have to....because STEVENS, WOODS, DOHERTY, SMITH......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 28, 2016 02:48 PM (0O7c5)

this

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (zOTsN)

204 "It was pretty much in two parts: an indictment of the Obama/Clinton
foreign policy disasters and his prescriptions for dealing with the
world. The first part, the indictment, was pure red meat. Laid out all the
bungles from the Mideast to Ukraine, all the enemies bowed to, all the
friends let down. The second part was sort of 'trust me, I'll know how to deal with it'."

Part One: John Bolton

Part Two: P.T. Barnum

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (noWW6)

205 Every single confident prediction about Trump has been wrong. Every one.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016

Yea, not true, RCP polling averages predicted trump winning from 7/21 to present. Just like they predict him losing to Hillary now by double digits.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (OHyGW)

206 >>Time for a second look at Jim Gilmore?

Woo-hoo -

That's Three Votes for old, Jimmy G!

Posted by: Jim Gilmore at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (etV2e)

207 Does this read like a ringing endorsement of Trump?

Much of the discussion -- and laughs -- focused on Boehner's views on the current presidential candidates. Segueing into the topic, Kennedy asked Boehner to be frank given that the event was not being broadcasted, and the former Speaker responded in kind. When specifically asked his opinions on Ted Cruz, Boehner made a face, drawing laughter from the crowd.

"Lucifer in the flesh," the former speaker said. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a b1tch in my life."

Boehner described other Republican candidates as friends. In particular, the former speaker said he has played golf with Donald Trump for years and that they were "texting buddies."

His friendship with Ohio Governor John Kasich, however, was a little more ambiguous.

"[Kasich] requires more effort on my behalf than all my other friends... but he's still my friend, and I love him," Boehner said.

Boehner for the most part accepted Trump as the presumptive Republican nominee, though he did express his surprise at the candidate's success. While he did not praise Trump's policies, the Speaker did say he would vote for Trump in the general election if he becomes the Republican nominee. The former Speaker said he would not, however, vote for Cruz.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (jVvcc)

208 133 My second-favorite bit of Trumplogic:

Trump's going to pivot to the general election. He'll pick up ground in the polls once he does.

Yeah, when's that going to start?

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (A6sW3)

Um, it already has? Wipe the spooge off your face and read comment #110.

Posted by: Dogstar at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (6fBvX)

209 Trump craves approval and acclaim. How will he get that in DC if he somehow becomes POTUS? Not by doing what his supporters want but by doing what the hated establishment wants.
Posted by: Anachronism at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (LOC7Q)

Yeah, the populist is going to backstab the people backing him him the first chance he gets.

You aren't grasping what a populist *is*.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (uURQL)

210
Tangible primary results mean nothing. But hypothetical polls should be taken very seriously. Got it.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (T0BVJ)

211 "Actually, primary results DO count y'all.

Those are the rules.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:49 PM (xuouz) "

Amazing stat: 100% of GOP primaries have been won by GOP candidates. Makes Joe DiMaggio's streak look like a bad day at the office.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (kumBu)

212 Virtually all predictions that Trump would change, modify, or walk-back a position have come true.
The prediction that he would moderate on the wall and immigration - his signature and only real issue - have come true.
What else you got?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (A6sW3)

You say this, but you can't prove it. What positions has he changed on? How has he "moderated" on immigration?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)

213 a big Gope "see, we told you so moment."

Everything is a "see, we told you so moment." with that crowd.

The second #NeverTrump appeared it proved how worthless they were to listen too.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (DL2i+)

214 Yeah, I was starting to sour on Cruz a bit, but this reminded me he's the right sort of person to clean house in DC.

But that ship might have sailed...

Posted by: Max Power at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (QCc6B)

215 Coach "Suge" Knight, who said Trumpy was more beloved by the troops than Washington at Valley Forge, also said he was the most honest-ish politician ever.

Then H&R Blockhead should release the Tax Returns like he promised.

The ones that show that Trump doesn't pay taxes.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (Ndje9)

216 Trump is clearly suggesting that she only got this
far because she's a woman.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (dpnZC)

Which is 100% accurate.

What do you have against the truth, fella?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (TOk1P)

217 This is what he said: "Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she would get 5% of the vote."

Trump is not criticizing her for being a hack. Trump is clearly suggesting that she only got this far because she's a woman. It plays right into the whole "war on women" crap that the left spews. "See, see, he doesn't think women are capable of being politicians on their own merits!"

And I note that you did not apologize for your lies last night. Not surprising since you were never interested in a serious discussion anyway.

Posted by: chemjeff at A

Hillary Clinton does not need you to White Knight for her

She is where she is because she married a man who became president

period

stop

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

218 Um, it already has? Wipe the spooge off your face and read comment #110.
Posted by: Dogstar at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (6fBvX)
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Outlier poll. Talk to me in a week when you've got two more.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (aFa2V)

219 142 My favorite bit of Trumplogic, as seen in this thread:

The guy who polls better head-to-head with Hillary can't win, but the guy who polls worse head-to-head with Hillary will.

Once it's pointed out that this is dumb, the response becomes:

Whatever, this is a burn-it-down election.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (aFa2V)

well lets look at the polls

Kasich polls best against her. Kasich is exactly like her in all his policy positions

Polls say we should have Kasich

Who really believes Kasich can beat her

i do not
Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:43 PM (zOTsN)

We need someone who is an ELECTABLE CENTRIST like President John McCain or President Mitt Romney!!!!!

Posted by: rd at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (v0YLX)

220 We're all in on reality show politics.

Posted by: brak

We have been since 2008. And what was the GOP's response?

MittBott 2000.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (OcD4G)

221 Yep. Trump is confirmed asshole. Again.

Do Cruz' "texting buddies" get documented in the Purity Log of Purity?

Because I would like to see that list.

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (Bbsg+)

222 That's about as valuable as having the UMass porker endorse your restaurant

Posted by: Pep at April 28, 2016 02:40 PM (qvACK)

Bob's Trough O' Plenty - Home of the Greedy Glutton!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (hLRSq)

223 >>Yeah, the populist is going to backstab the people backing him him the first chance he gets.

That's exactly how this works!

Posted by: Old Geico Lady at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (etV2e)

224 Bohner is such a freakin' douche bag, by the way.

Posted by: Max Power at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (QCc6B)

225 dammit sock

Posted by: Mortimer at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (Bbsg+)

226 They are trying to paint Trump as part of the establishment with these blatant lies to fool you idiots into thinking cruz offers soething new.

Posted by: moom at April 28, 2016 02:53 PM (9s+Ob)

227 "I don't understand why so many are eager to discount his past, even his very recent past. No one else is given such leeway."

Seriously, I've seen people brush off his house-flipping school scam, and call him a used car salesman in a positive way.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (UBBWX)

228 Cruz: John Boehner had some interesting comments last night. He actually didn't abbreviate what he said, he was a little bit more expressive- he allowed his inner Trump to come out. You know I will say this, if you are wondering who actually has stood up to Washington, I think John Boehner has made it crystal clear. John Boehner and his remarks describe Donald Trump as his "texting and golfing buddy." So if you want someone that's a texting and golfing buddy, if you're happy with John Boehner as speaker of the house, and you want a president like John Boehner, Donald Trump's your man. Boehner's comments- he said something like "he's the worst SOB I've ever worked with," something like that --

Woman interjecting off screen: Lucifer in the flesh.

Cruz: Well there was that too. But the interesting thing is, he said "that I've ever worked with." I've never worked with John Boehner. Truth of the matter is, I don't know the man. I've met John Boehner two or three times in my life. If I have said fifty words in my life to John Boehner I would be surprised. And everyone of them has consisted of pleasantries. If John Boehner is calling me "Lucifer," he's not directing that at me. He's directing that at you.

Posted by: William Henry Harrison at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (e8kgV)

229 "Tangible primary results mean nothing. But hypothetical polls should be taken very seriously. Got it.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (T0BVJ) "

After Tuesday's primaries, Trump vs. Clinton isn't exactly "hypothetical" anymore, now is it?

But you're right. Trump has done a lot better in the GOP primaries than Hillary Clinton has done in the GOP primaries. In fact, Jim Gilmore has done better in the GOP primaries than Hillary Clinton has done in the GOP primaries. Gilmore/Pataki 2016!

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (kumBu)

230 I am curious what happens to the Trump supporters
after the election if he loses. The GOP establishment will still be
there, and the next elections they will put up the same establishment
candidates. Since amnesty will become the law of the land in 2017, that
issue will be off the table for a generation.

What do the pissed off Trump voters do next? Withdraw from the process?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 02:44 PM (03TIh)

When the ballot box fails, the next one is picked up.

So the question is ... are there any ballot boxes left if Trump fails? And do the people think so?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (uURQL)

231
See?
Now we're all about seeing a Republican candidate's tax returns to see if he pays his "fair share" of taxes!

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (T0BVJ)

232 >>Cruz fell on his ass a few days ago.

>>Orange just picked him up.

>>The gope wants Ted and Son of Mailman to keep going.

And there it is. It's the old double switcheroo head fake where the establishment just wants you to think that Boehner hates Cruz and like Trump.

Layers.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (/tuJf)

233 "The second part was sort of 'trust me, I'll know how to deal with it'."

Trump did give some specifics. Including saying that he's not going to have the USA subsidizing the defenses of wealthy, dubiously "allied" nations in NATO, in what used to be SEATO, and in the Middle East. Who themselves systematically underspend on their militaries.

And there's a real case to be made that we can't afford to do that any more.

However, there's also a real case to be made that if we stop doing it, our "allies" will fail to step up in our place, leaving regional power vacuums, into which Russia and China and Iran will inevitably expand their regional hegemonies.

And that's negatively consequential for the USA in the long run. Trump doesn't seem to parse that part of it.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 02:55 PM (noWW6)

234 Boehner of course takes the cake.

I'd prefer Trump on his worst day to Boehner.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:55 PM (UBBWX)

235 Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:51 PM (T0BVJ)

Yes, if you are stupid enough to believe that primary "tangible results" among a extremely small subset of general election voters tell us anything about how said candidate will perform with the general public. RCP averages by April have predicted the last two cycles almost perfectly.

But then again lets you use your logic, "tangible results" also show Clinton having received 20-30% more votes than Trump.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 02:55 PM (OHyGW)

236 "Is Cruz hurting or helping his chances for Trump to appoint him to SCOTUS?"

Cruz has said that Congress can end run Roe v Wade by enacting a law to declare a fetus to be a person.

Were he to be the R nominee, the Emily's list crowd will hang Cruz on this position. It'll also get Cruz borked if he ever goes for SCOTUS. Half the R Senators would vote him down just to see the look on his face.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 02:55 PM (r1fLd)

237 Boehner has some weird idea that his opinion pulls weight with conservatives. Zero self-awareness not unlike President Fuck-stick.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 28, 2016 02:56 PM (CFc5L)

238 This is just another false fag operation.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 02:56 PM (etV2e)

239 Mr. Rourke at 124: "I alluded to his sad-sack face he makes..."

That's his face, dude, not his facial expression. It's how he appears, primarily because of genetics.

How many times have we read on these threads that Cruz is "creepy"? Why do you suppose that is? Here's a theory: The reason we have separate ethnicities in the first place is this "creepy" feeling we get when confronted with someone from another tribe. It's a defense mechanism that we all share, whether we can admit it or not -- it's part of our biology. We all try to suppress it, but it's there.

And Cruz is Hispanic. I've seen his "upside down smile" before -- on Mexicans I know. (I don't know any Cubans.)

But then all I've read on these same threads is the assholish theory that Trump opponents are merely obsessed with "aesthetics". Put forward by a millennial poster child for Dunning-Kruger, at least 20 times per day for the last 3 months.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 02:56 PM (LqrRo)

240 The Bobby Knight endorsement didn't impress me bc who else would the guy that throws chairs into the basketball court endorse. Maybe this means something to people in Indiana. I doubt it does any more than boring Mike Pence endorsing Cruz would

Posted by: L, Elle at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (2x3L+)

241 You say this, but you can't prove it. What positions has he changed on? How has he "moderated" on immigration?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
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The New York Times tipped their hand on this, in a breach of journalistic ethics. Dirty pool, but they made it clear that what Trump told them off-the-record is not the same as what he's telling his marks. Trump won't release any portion of his conversation with the Times, which is as suspicious as Hillary not releasing her Wall Street transcripts.

As for other issues that he's backpedaled on, let's try Obamacare, H1-B visas, and abortion, for starters.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (aFa2V)

242 "Trump did give some specifics. Including saying that he's not going to have the USA subsidizing the defenses of wealthy, dubiously "allied" nations in NATO."

We already have pushed NATO countries to spend 2% of GDP for years. I believe like 3 have done so.

Theoretically Trump could drive a harder bargain.

But Obama pulled out tanks from Europe, and then had to send them back in.

So, even actual pull outs don't seem to change Europe's mind.

Its all so simple and easy when you're not in office.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (UBBWX)

243 Repeat: Trump's latest matchup with Hillary (Rasmussen) out today: they are even. 38 to 38. Three days ago GW Background poll put Trump down 3.

You Trump-haters need to keep up. Relying on stale news and data gets you nowhere.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (eXTZt)

244 What's small, squishy, orange and bitter?

Posted by: hairless mule at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (EqmTZ)

245 This is what he said: "Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she would get 5% of the vote."

Trump is not criticizing her for being a hack. Trump is clearly suggesting that she only got this far because she's a woman. It plays right into the whole "war on women" crap that the left spews. "See, see, he doesn't think women are capable of being politicians on their own merits!"

/facepalm

And I note that you did not apologize for your lies last night. Not surprising since you were never interested in a serious discussion anyway.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 02:50 PM (dpnZC)

Name the lies then, chemjeff.

Lying about someone else's honesty is a lie, you know.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (uURQL)

246 I wonder how much PAC money Boehner got from Cruz to attack him.

Posted by: TRUMP Fan #1 at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (TJCSB)

247 "Is Cruz hurting or helping his chances for Trump to appoint him to SCOTUS?"

Senate is a petty old-boys club. As much as I'd like this to happen, it never will.

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (MJuTN)

248 I was open to the idea that Ted Cruz could beat Hillary, but that was only under the assumption he cleanly beat Trump in the primary. That window has closed.

If Cruz gets some deal struck and becomes the nominee with dramatically fewer Republican votes and delegates, I think we're trading one set of problems for a much bigger one.

I honestly believe you would lose MORE Republican voters with Cruz "stealing" the nomination than just going with Trump as the walking gaffe machine.

Posted by: Bullpup at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (ELqun)

249 I especially recommend point #10 and beyond of the following for a different view than chemjeff's on the vicious Trump attack on Hillary that is part of the "War on Women" that Cruz, apparently, also believes:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143479429146/and-then-there-were-two

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (jVvcc)

250 I was looking at the weeds in my back yard just now and discovered that I had a shitload of wild strawberries.

Posted by: Soona at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (Fmupd)

251
If Trump had only 7 million votes at this point, I have no doubt whatsoever the same people dismissing primary vote totals would be citing the low vote count as Trump's unpopularity.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (T0BVJ)

252 jwest:

"Then, due the unusual circumstances, they will fuck Bernie and George Clooney will walk away from their convention with the nomination."

Rich white guy? Naah. Elizabeth Warren. Too bad about poor Bernie, but his adoring fans will adjust, and she picks up the Historic First Woman! vote as well as the Venezuala Now! vote.

Posted by: JPS at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (LB6W+)

253 I think its good politics this year to run against the republicans. No matter who you are. Boehner seems not to know this

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (zOTsN)

254 However, there's also a real case to be made that if we stop doing it, our "allies" will fail to step up in our place, leaving regional power vacuums, into which Russia and China and Iran will inevitably expand their regional hegemonies.

Which will also be their problem. If they can't care about it, why should we?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (uURQL)

255 Sup pasta, it's good to see you man.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:58 PM (xuouz)

256 "How many times have we read on these threads that Cruz is "creepy"? Why do you suppose that is?"

I have also heard he is autistic. Thus his facial expressions seem off to most people.

Doesn't matter. Unless Cruz wins Indiana, its Trump.

Out of our hands unless you live in IN.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (UBBWX)

257 Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (eXTZt)

Repeat, the vast majority of outlets say Clinton's lead is expanding

http://goo.gl/ia5ffn

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (OHyGW)

258 "But Obama pulled out tanks from Europe, and then had to send them back in.

So, even actual pull outs don't seem to change Europe's mind.

Its all so simple and easy when you're not in office."

It is simple-when you actually have a history of hiring and firing the people who carry out your will, rather than the other way around.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (61Gds)

259 Look, I don't want a Kasich Presidency, but why couldn't he win? He's bland as shit, running against a candidate with gigantic unfavorables who also has to deal with a partial party schism (those Bernie Bros are gonna be pretty buttmad about the 'stolen' primary). McCain and Romney lost to Historic Chocolate Jesus 1.0 and 2.0. Does anyone think Romney would lose to Hillary? It'd be the easiest campaign to run ever. "Romney 2016: I told you so."

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (kumBu)

260 "Which will also be their problem. If they can't care about it, why should we?"

In 1940 we had a smaller army than Romania.

How'd that work out?

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (UBBWX)

261 Cruz's "collegues" do not like him because he actually wants to accomplish conservative things, his H1B and amnesty support and voting to invert the treaty clause aside.

He doesn't cotton to that fake "my esteemed colleuge bullshit"

Remember, this guy called the Majority leader, a member of his own party a liar, that's a tremendous breach of protocol in the fucked up world of the Senate.

I like Cruz.

I had hoped to have a Trump/Cruz ticket that would shake the very foundations of the republic.

Sadly it is not to be.

I'll have to settle for

Trump/Cotton or
Trump/Sessions

Would prefer Trump/Cotton for obvious reasons, Cottons youth being the least of them.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (7GJvw)

262 171 I don't think Hillary will win anything.

I believe she'll be taken out of the race by a deus ex machina and the Democrats will rush to plug (heh heh) someone else into the race, Biden or Warren.

And either of those two would beat Trump. Not sure about Cruz.

But I really do not believe Hillary is ever going to be President.

Posted by: JEM at April 28, 2016 02:47 PM (o+SC1)

++++

Boehner agrees with you.
"Don't be shocked ... if two weeks before the convention, here comes Joe Biden parachuting in and Barack Obama fanning the flames to make it all happen," Boehner said.
http://tinyurl.com/jxm82rf

Obama could hold the FBI back until the right time, and then let them loose. At that point, the party gets to name a replacement.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (R+30W)

263 Name the lies then, chemjeff.

Lying about someone else's honesty is a lie, you know.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (uURQL)
You said I accused you of "acting white", when I didn't. That is a lie.
I know full well what you are doing. You are using the full Alinsky tactics. Ignore the issues, ignore the policies, ignore the substance, and just go full-on attacking the messenger. The more you call me a liar is the more you can avoid talking about your support for white supremacist ideas. Idiots might see through that but I don't.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (dpnZC)

264 If Cruz were Lucifer in the flesh, I think he's be doing much better in the Presidential race since the kingdoms of this world belong to Satan. :^) And no, I don't think Trump is "Lucifer in the flesh" either-although the excessive pride does seems somewhat reminiscent of Old Scratch J/K/ ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (w4NZ8)

265 >>Which will also be their problem. If they can't care about it, why should we?

See WWI and WWII.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (/tuJf)

266 Cruz is a vainglorious narcissist. He's not doing himself any favors hanging in when all he does is attack Trump. He had his chance. It's over. Bringing in Carly as another bitch anti-Trump attack dog was not a good move. Cruz will be the next Santorum.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (r1fLd)

267 232 >>Cruz fell on his ass a few days ago.

>>Orange just picked him up.

>>The gope wants Ted and Son of Mailman to keep going.

And there it is. It's the old double switcheroo head fake where the establishment just wants you to think that Boehner hates Cruz and like Trump.

Layers.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (/tuJf)

Heh

Orange did boot the spirits of Cruz supporters.

Cruz supporters hate Orange.

So Orange offers contempt for Cruz and acceptance of Trump.

The goal of the gope is to undermine both of them.

So the gope needs to prop up Cruz. For now.

Posted by: eman at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (mR7Es)

268 We don't protect Europe for them.

We protect Europe for us.

So, if you want to pull the plug on NATO, you better be very comfortable with Island America.

Because we will have to go complete Isolationist while we wait for the other shoe to drop and we are attacked, here.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (etV2e)

269 Look up Trump's history with ignoring Americans in order to hire foreigners with H2-B visas at MaraLago. As recently as 2015, which is last year for you guys in Rio Linda.

But I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for that and it doesn't mean anything.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (6bMel)

270 I'm from Indiana. I know the whole Bobby Knight saga. He was and still is worshipped by some in the state. He also was hated by some. He left the state in an ugly, door-slam which soured many of his faithful.

This endorsement was a kind of redemption for Knight. He told the people, "My players had one word on their shirts: Indiana." I believe he really wanted to come here and say something like that and Trump gave him the opportunity.

He's a complex guy who can certainly still qualify as an asshole. But his endorsement touched some deeper chords among Hoosiers. I for one, a former Knight hater, was moved by it. I think it will move others and move votes.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 03:01 PM (eXTZt)

271 Trump Derangement Syndrome is still raging on here. It's truly sad.

Posted by: Just A Guy at April 28, 2016 03:01 PM (CGzAz)

272 Early on, this would've killed Trump. Now not so much. The die is cast.

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:01 PM (3ZtZW)

273 *cough Amishdood cough*

Posted by: Mortimer at April 28, 2016 03:01 PM (Bbsg+)

274 Cruz today said, "That's funny, because I've never worked with Boehner. I've said hello to him in the hall. If I've exchanged 50 words with him in my life I'd be surprised".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (1xUj/)

Exactly. Boehner suffers from alcohol dementia and most of what he says is completely unreliable. He's probably golfed once or twice in a tournament with Trump(someone tell me how often Trump has the time to golf, he's not Obama) and texted him to coordinate.

It's tough to even find a photo of Trump golfing, other than when he is opening a course.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 28, 2016 03:01 PM (391wI)

275 When something big happens this Summer, how will that affect the election?

What if

China's economy collapses?
NK Nukes someone?
BIg Terrorist Attacks in Europe?
The US?
Iran tests a nuke?
Venezuela collapses?
Everyone's economy collapses?

"Events, my dear boy, events."

Posted by: rd at April 28, 2016 03:01 PM (v0YLX)

276 Look, I don't want a Kasich Presidency, but why couldn't he win? He's bland as shit, running against a candidate with gigantic unfavorables who also has to deal with a partial party schism (those Bernie Bros are gonna be pretty buttmad about the 'stolen' primary). McCain and Romney lost to Historic Chocolate Jesus 1.0 and 2.0. Does anyone think Romney would lose to Hillary? It'd be the easiest campaign to run ever. "Romney 2016: I told you so."

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (kumBu)

given the choice between a fake democrat and a real democrat, the electorate seems ot insist on a real democrat. and the conservatives stay home

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (zOTsN)

277 228; "If John Boehner is calling me "Lucifer," he's not directing that at me. He's directing that at you."

You, Indiana.

With Love,

Posted by: The Boehner/Trump/Clinton Axis of Uni-Party at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (Ndje9)

278 I honestly believe you would lose MORE Republican voters with Cruz "stealing" the nomination than just going with Trump as the walking gaffe machine.

----
Why?

Oh right! We had a candidate claim Colorado was "stolen" from him.

Hey, if it helps Trump, who cares? Its not like he might lose and we'll need a party later.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (UBBWX)

279 Cruz is a vainglorious narcissist. He's not doing himself any favors hanging in when all he does is attack Trump. He had his chance. It's over. Bringing in Carly as another bitch anti-Trump attack dog was not a good move. Cruz will be the next Santorum.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (r1fLd)

A Trump supporter accusing someone else of being a narcissist and only being in attack mode. That's really precious.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (6bMel)

280 In 1940 we had a smaller army than Romania.

How'd that work out?

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 02:59 PM (UBBWX)

America interned some Japanese people, burned Germany and Japan cities, and nuked the latter twice for good measure.

We're not responsible for Britain and France trying to appease the crap out of Hitler, though we are responsible for "winning" WWI and setting up WWII.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (uURQL)

281 OOMPAH LOOMPA LIVES MATTER!

(Don't let the YELLOW Chinee take our PURPLE SEIU union JERBS, hand-crafting i-Phones on the GREEN PASTURES of the family farm!)

Posted by: Roy G. Biv at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (xPWMR)

282 "Obama could hold the FBI back until the right time, and then let them loose. At that point, the party gets to name a replacement."

As soon as Hillary gets enough delegates to box out Bernie. Hillary and friends will soon be sitting down with the FBI to have their cups of coffee. Last step before a criminal referral.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (r1fLd)

283 "The Bobby Knight endorsement didn't impress me bc who else would the guy
that throws chairs into the basketball court endorse. Maybe this means
something to people in Indiana. I doubt it does any more than boring
Mike Pence endorsing Cruz would"

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Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:03 PM (61Gds)

284 "And there it is. It's the old double switcheroo head fake where the establishment just wants you to think that Boehner hates Cruz and like Trump.

Layers.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (/tuJf) "

I called it! Serbian Jew Double Bluff. In fact, it might even be a Serbian Jew Triple Bluff.

A perfect mental gymnastics floor routine. Even the East German judges are giving it 10's across the board.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:03 PM (kumBu)

285 Look, I don't want a Kasich Presidency, but why couldn't he win? He's bland as shit, running against a candidate with gigantic unfavorables who also has to deal with a partial party schism (those Bernie Bros are gonna be pretty buttmad about the 'stolen' primary). McCain and Romney lost to Historic Chocolate Jesus 1.0 and 2.0. Does anyone think Romney would lose to Hillary? It'd be the easiest campaign to run ever. "Romney 2016: I told you so."
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean

Kasich would win easy (and I loathe Kasich)

Really, any milqutoast Republican would handily beat Hillary.

Cruz and Trump were the two worst people we could have ran and it's going to be one of those 2.

For just the Scalia seat, I'd be willing to take a RINO rather than President Hillary Clinton.

Our side just wants to make a point more than it wants to actually win.

Posted by: Bullpup at April 28, 2016 03:03 PM (ELqun)

286 "OOMPAH LOOMPA LIVES MATTER!

(Don't let the YELLOW Chinee take our PURPLE SEIU union JERBS, hand-crafting i-Phones on the GREEN PASTURES of the family farm!)"

FUCK_YOU_GOT_MINE.TXT

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:03 PM (61Gds)

287 Oh hey

Chili Nut M n Ms are pretty good. Heat is more back of the throat and mild, but does well enough with the chocolate.

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:03 PM (3ZtZW)

288 So many walls of words saying the same thing that's already been said a thousand times before.

Posted by: Soona at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (Fmupd)

289 "China's economy collapses?
NK Nukes someone?
BIg Terrorist Attacks in Europe?
The US?
Iran tests a nuke?
Venezuela collapses?
Everyone's economy collapses?"

What if....nothing big happens.

What if...Trump runs his mouth or twitter.

Which is more likely?

Also, you may imagine these events help Trump.

They may do the opposite. Hillary seems "safe" to a whole lot of non-Republican people. Trump seems "dangerous" and "not stable."

I have to agree with that. Trump often seems unstable. "We're gonna grab their oil."

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (UBBWX)

290 Sitting at the old Outrage Outlet, watching the Horde come in, pick up the biggest, bitterest words and phrases they can and not even getting out of the parking lot before they unleash them.

God, I love election years.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

291 I'm fascinated by Cruz's response that if he's said 50 words to Boehner in his life he'd be surprised. Is anyone going to ask Orange Boy just when it was he worked with Cruz?
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (mf5HN)

------------

And if he lied about that, what makes one believe what he said about him and Trump?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (B+Arn)

292 I called it! Serbian Jew Double Bluff. In fact, it might even be a Serbian Jew Triple Bluff.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:03 PM (kumBu)

What the actual fuck.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (mf5HN)

293

Trump/Cotton would be great, so Im pretty sure it wont happen

Trump gets the nom the GOP will do everything in its power to elect Hillary

everything

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (zOTsN)

294 Too bad Joe Paterno's not alive to give Trump a PA endorsement.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (kumBu)

295 I'll have to settle for

Trump/Cotton or

Trump/Sessions

Would prefer Trump/Cotton for obvious reasons, Cottons youth being the least of them.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (7GJvw)

I wonder what would happen if Trump picked somebody like Allen West.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (TOk1P)

296 We all like something new! Here's to another round of tariffs.

Posted by: Herbert Hoover at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (bpemY)

297 Does anyone think Romney would lose to Hillary?

===

*raises hand*

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (3ZtZW)

298 "Really, any milqutoast Republican would handily beat Hillary.

Cruz and Trump were the two worst people we could have ran and it's going to be one of those 2.

For just the Scalia seat, I'd be willing to take a RINO rather than President Hillary Clinton.
"

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Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (61Gds)

299 I wonder when peach hate shakes come back? Have a yuuge craving for one right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (FsuaD)

300 I am best fushing friendsh wif DON Trump. ALso I cried when my besht frin who I also texted in tha WHOLE worl Prince died.

*sob*

Posted by: John *hic* Boehner at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (Bbsg+)

301 The angst Trump inspires among conservatives is making a turn towards Hillary. Once Trump's rabid foamy teethy tear into her flesh, a lot of you will start forgetting how much you hate the man.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (eXTZt)

302 "Our side just wants to make a point more than it wants to actually win."

Bingo. We never take half a loaf.

But part of the problem is GOPe consistently sells out for zero loaves.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (UBBWX)

303 As for other issues that he's backpedaled on, let's try Obamacare, H1-B visas, and abortion, for starters.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:57 PM (aFa2V)

First off, you mention the NYT off-the-record interview. Hardly a smoking gun. It's fun to speculate, though.

Now:
How did he backpedal on Obamacare? Does he no longer support repealing it?
This is his response to his H1B visa stumble in the one debate: http://bit.ly/1LXKCKb - does this represent a change in position, or are you misrepresenting ?
What about abortion? As far as I could make out in that kerfuffle he answered a hypothetical about a world where abortions are illegal, changed his answer in re: that hypothetical, and then clarified that he intends to take no action on abortion while in office. Are you a single-issue abortion voter?

Are we here to talk about the candidate or talk shit about the candidate?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (xuouz)

304 >>Cruz fell on his ass a few days ago.

>>Orange just picked him up.

>>The gope wants Ted and Son of Mailman to keep going.

And there it is. It's the old double switcheroo head fake where the establishment just wants you to think that Boehner hates Cruz and like Trump.

Layers.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 02:54 PM (/tuJf)

My personal favorite is how Cruz is a Bush pawn despite the fact that the Bush crew blew millions trying to beat Cruz in the Senate primary. That of course was a ruse to make us think Cruz isn't on Team Bush, but the Trumpsters can see right through it. That's way more dimensions of chess than I can even contemplate.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (eK8Tl)

305 As soon as Hillary gets enough delegates to box out Bernie. Hillary and friends will soon be sitting down with the FBI to have their cups of coffee. Last step before a criminal referral.
Posted by: Ignoramus

Everyone involved with this in the FBI is already a dead man walking and will be leaving if she's elected.

The FBI just investigating the case is considered an act of war.

They have nothing to lose recommending an indictment. Nothing they can do will curry favor to keep their job.

Posted by: Bullpup at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (ELqun)

306 The fact trumpkins are talking indictments, terrorist attacks, alien landings- instead of polls, data and evidence (ie reality)- tells me what I need to know. They know they need a miracle that no modern cycle has seen.

It will be wistful thinking and just so stories from here to November (as trump sinks lower in the polls), followed by "stab in the back" conspiracy tales about the GOPE and NEVERTRUMP.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (OHyGW)

307 >>Chili Nut M n Ms are pretty good. Heat is more back of the throat and mild, but does well enough with the chocolate.

Do they burn the underside of your nutsack when you excercise?

Enquiring Ewok want to know.

Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (etV2e)

308 A Trump supporter accusing someone else of being a narcissist and only being in attack mode. That's really precious.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (6bMel)
-------------

I really don't get what motivates the hatred of Cruz from the Trump people.

If I had told you at this time last year that Ted Cruz had a real chance of being our nominee, the folks here who are Trump people would have been ecstatic. They would have said "finally, a real conservative who doesn't GAF, who stands up to the establishment."

But now he's basically Arlen Specter 2: Electric Boogaloo. Because... I dunno. Because Trump.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (26zxJ)

309 Interesting 5th Amendment case in Philadelphia. Can the court order you to decrypt your computer?

This seems pretty straight forward 5th amendment stuff. The court cannot force you to incriminate yourself. I know, the guy is a sicko that lusts after kids sexually, if the prosecution is right (and they usually wait until they have an overwhelming case to go after these guys, so I'm sure they are). But that doesn't take away all of his rights.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (39g3+)

310 Breaking News: Orangeman Supports Other Orangeman.

Posted by: Fritz at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (UzPAd)

311 Hey pasta have you gotten any new fedoras recently?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (xuouz)

312 "I wonder what would happen if Trump picked somebody like Allen West."

He would lose.

Trump will pick Christie or Carson.

Cotton would be stupid to agree to be VP on a possible flame out.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (UBBWX)

313 Here's a tag you can give yourself, if you need cover for voting for Trump: Temporary Populist.

That's me.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (eXTZt)

314 "They may do the opposite. Hillary seems "safe" to a whole lot of
non-Republican people. Trump seems "dangerous" and "not stable.""

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Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (61Gds)

315 I don't hate Cruz and neither do the other actual Morons who are Trump supporters! It's trolls and teenage boys who talk all the smack about Cruz.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:07 PM (xuouz)

316 I wonder when peach hate shakes come back? Have a yuuge craving for one right now.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (FsuaD)

I don't know, I was trying to find that out the other day myself.

There's a local chain that has quite tasty shakes and I may be forced, forced I tell you, to stop there for an Orange Push Up shake on the way home.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

317 For goodness sake, can someone post some pictures of sexy girls (tasteful, I mean) cute puppies or kittens or some funny video, or for goodness sakes please call Drs, Muldoon or Insomniac to the operating room. We need some puns STAT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:07 PM (w4NZ8)

318 Chili Nut M n Ms are pretty good. Heat is more back of the throat and mild, but does well enough with the chocolate.

Those do sound pretty good, if well made, but it doesn't sound like they mixed it very well. Some of the other flavors sound awful though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (39g3+)

319 "Here's a tag you can give yourself, if you need cover for voting for Trump: Temporary Populist."

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Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (61Gds)

320 Who hates Cruz?

Posted by: Mortimer at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (Bbsg+)

321 They know they need a miracle that no modern cycle has seen.
Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (OHyGW)

No, you weiner. The COUNTRY needs a miracle that no modern cycle has seen.

Trump COULD be that miracle. I'm willing to take the chance.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz)

322 297 Does anyone think Romney would lose to Hillary?

No, I think Romney would have beaten her.
He came close to beating Obama, it was a 1 point race in Florida and Virginia. Obama is 10x stronger than Hillary on every level.

Had Hillary been the nominee in 2008 and she was running again in 2012, she would have been stomped.

Posted by: Bullpup at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (ELqun)

323 "What the actual fuck.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (mf5HN) "

Not a South Park fan, I take it? Cartman explains the wily perfidy of the Serbian Jew Double Bluff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3fgZ_uyxo

The Triple Bluff is only rumored to exist, much like the Chupacabra or Trump's general election 45-state landslide victory.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (kumBu)

324 But now he's basically Arlen Specter 2: Electric Boogaloo. Because... I dunno. Because Trump.

----------

It is truly fascinating. I'm starting to realize that I just do not share many of the ideals that they share - which is fine.

Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (gmeXX)

325 Seriously, who would be Trump's VP?

It has to be a has-been or end of career gamble.

He has the potential to say something horrendous.

He will be on trial for fraud.

You wanna go down with him?

Christie? Sure, he's done in NJ.

No way Cotton is done.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (UBBWX)

326 "Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she would get 5% of the vote."

Trump says outlandish things that get the headlines that he then explicates.

To beat her you don't treat her as a woman. You don't treat her as human.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (r1fLd)

327 DAMMIT ABU HAJAAR!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (ej28x)

328 BTW, same reason as Carly is Cruz's pick: she's done, too. So why not?

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (UBBWX)

329 "I don't hate Cruz and neither do the other actual Morons who are Trump
supporters! It's trolls and teenage boys who talk all the smack about
Cruz."

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Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (61Gds)

330
There's a local chain that has quite tasty
shakes and I may be forced, forced I tell you, to stop there for an
Orange Push Up shake on the way home.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

Oh my. I love an orange creamsicle. I'd love a shake that tastes like one.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (FsuaD)

331 Are you a single-issue abortion voter?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (xuouz)
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See, there it is: I give you a perfect example of how Trump backpedaled on an issue - *as he almost always does* - and because you don't have an actual response to it, you make it about *me*.

Trump's statements to the Times about immigration are only off-the-record because he wants them to be. Yet you trust that he didn't tell them anything that he didn't say publicly. Do you know what a "rube" is?

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (aFa2V)

332 Who blew the margins?!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (jVvcc)

333 "Trump COULD be that miracle. I'm willing to take the chance.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz) "

The sage advice of someone who bets on the Browns to win the Super Bowl every year. How can I pass on 300-1 odds?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (kumBu)

334 Hey pasta have you gotten any new fedoras recently?

I used to wear a fedora and had a goatee. That was around 1992, when almost nobody had beards or hats. now everyone and their pet stoat has one and its all hipster. Bastards have ruined hats.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (39g3+)

335 163
LOL, keep repeating that trumpkins. He is down -11 in an average aggregate of all polls, including being tied in Utah, +3 in Mississippi and -14 in PA. That's a huge winner- if huge winner means SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than Romney 2012 in all key demos, all key polls, all key battlegrounds.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 02:46 PM (OHyGW)
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But when Hillary wins in a massive landslide it will be YOUR fault.
Because you didn't love Trump enough to overlook reality.
You didn't get with the program!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (T/5A0)

336 I am incapable of generating emotion about any candidate for political office.

#alldeadinside 2008

Posted by: Mortimer at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (Bbsg+)

337 Cotton isnt happening

Trump/Christie?

NY/NJ?

dunno. seems dumb and redundant

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (zOTsN)

338 "It is truly fascinating. I'm starting to realize that I just do not share many of the ideals that they share - which is fine."

Yep.

"Trump says outlandish things that get the headlines that he then explicates."

Hope it works again. Gonna say it may not. Now its up against the media party not against the party the media hates.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (UBBWX)

339 Senator Cruz will likely be reelected to the Senate for the next twenty years. He will be a pain in the ass to the leadership of either party as long as he is there.

The entire Senate will jump at the chance to put him on the US Supreme Court if he is nominated for Scalia's seat.

Posted by: rd at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (v0YLX)

340 I wonder what would happen if Trump picked somebody like Allen West.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 03:04 PM (TOk1P)

Trump already has the attack dog role for himself. He needs someone who can laiase with Congress as VP and a Chief of Staff to deal with the bureaucracy.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (hLRSq)

341 I'm okay with Cruz's remark. He's looking ahead to the general election when he'll be accused of attacking Hillary because 'conservatives hate strong women".

Posted by: Burke at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (dsrlq)

342 You said I accused you of "acting white", when I didn't. That is a lie.
I know full well what you are doing. You are using the full Alinsky tactics. Ignore the issues, ignore the policies, ignore the substance, and just go full-on attacking the messenger. The more you call me a liar is the more you can avoid talking about your support for white supremacist ideas. Idiots might see through that but I don't.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:00 PM (dpnZC)

I didn't use quotes, chemjeff. I was summarizing your words from my point of view. That's an opinion and not a lie.

I told you I am not white. You said I identify with a different racial identity than the one I have, and compared me to racial fraudster Rachel Dolezal. You have also called me a white nationalist and supremacist.

You lied about what I identify with, and implied I'm a racial fraudster - claiming to be what I'm not.

The short version is that chemjeff, a white guy, is here to judge the minority guy on who he really identifies with. I can't believe what I say I believe, because chemjeff knows better than I do what I believe. Racist.

So going by chemjeff's own standard that racists are totes bad and need to be rejected from conservatism - he should disown himself.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (uURQL)

343 BTW, same reason as Carly is Cruz's pick: she's done, too. So why not?

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Agreed. Carly actually made the perfect choice for Cruz - though I think you could have made a case for Kasich (for different reasons) and Rubio.

For Trump - a Jim Webb or Christie type. Maybe Rick Scott? But I find it hard to believe that any young up and comer want to join his ticket. Just too much risk.

Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX)

344 Not a South Park fan, I take it? Cartman explains the wily perfidy of the Serbian Jew Double Bluff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3fgZ_uyxo

The Triple Bluff is only rumored to exist, much like the Chupacabra or Trump's general election 45-state landslide victory.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (kumBu)

I am a South Park fan but I forgot that. Thank you very much for the clarification.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (mf5HN)

345 "Who hates Cruz?"

DOESN'T_EVEN_READ_OPPOSITIONS_OPPO_RESEARCH.TXT

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (61Gds)

346
Who blew the margins?!

Cruz will do anything for a vote!

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (T0BVJ)

347 Ghost of kari at 311:

Sorry, you're going to have to explain what the hell that means.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (LqrRo)

348 "dunno. seems dumb and redundant"

Yes, NJ/NY does make it worse, but Trump needs experience and competence.

A good general might work. A governor, too.

He's said he wants someone experienced in politics.

You show me who would agree to be his VP.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (UBBWX)

349 "I wonder what would happen if Trump picked somebody like Allen West."

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He would lose.

Trump will pick Christie or Carson.

Cotton would be stupid to agree to be VP on a possible flame out.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:06 PM (UBBWX)

You're just being silly.

Personally, I still think a Trump landslide is possible. Unlikely, but possible.

America hasn't yet chosen the form of its destructor. It could be Trump. I know some of you people want to put your fingers in your ears and not contemplate the possibility of a Trump win, but that's more for your own mental health, and has nothing really, to do with real possibilities.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (TOk1P)

350 The sage advice of someone who bets on the Browns to win the Super Bowl every year. How can I pass on 300-1 odds?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (kumBu)

I'm a patriots fan. That's the better analogy. Since Trump locked up the nomination two weeks ago, much like my pats lock up a bye before Christmas every year.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (xuouz)

351 @295

Trump/West would be good but I think Cotton is a better operator in that he's incredibly savvy, articulate and committed.

Not saying anything negative about West but I like Trump/Cotton is a sure fire winner in my opinion.

Hillary ain't winning jack shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (3MZBD)

352 there are no miracle. there is no messiah. should Cruz be elected he would be fought tooth and nail by the entrenched bureaucracies. CIA will leak, State will be a sieve, smae with Commerce, et al

there is no one candidate who will fix everything

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (zOTsN)

353 I would like a pistachio shake. Does anyone make those. Pistachio ice cream was on of my favorite things as a kid, and the other day I went into "Whole Paycheck" (I know; I'm a bad, bad person!n) and picked up some soy latte drink with pistachio and espresso. It was really expensive (I hadn't looked at the price until I hit the checkout) and really good!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (w4NZ8)

354 "Who hates Cruz?

Posted by: Mortimer at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (Bbsg+) "

The guy who calls him "Lyin' Ted" and tweeted about his wife being a crazy uggo probably isn't a huge fan of him.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (kumBu)

355 gotta give it to broseiden. he did call it.

Posted by: x at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (nFwvY)

356 "For Trump - a Jim Webb or Christie type. Maybe Rick Scott? But I find
it hard to believe that any young up and comer want to join his ticket.
Just too much risk."

Trump/Mattis 2016

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (61Gds)

357 The gope wants Trump and Cruz to fail at the convention and the only way they can get that is to keep things going.

Feeling better about Cruz now?

Feeling vindicated in opposing Trump?

Want to keep fighting?

You fell for it.

Posted by: eman at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (mR7Es)

358 "Maybe Rick Scott?"

That's a good possibility.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (UBBWX)

359 I really don't get what motivates the hatred of Cruz from the Trump people.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 03:05 PM (26zxJ)

Brainwashing is an ugly process. You're conditioned to hate anything that may stand in the way of "the cause" or "the one". You can also see this same thing in leftists, AGW robots that want to punish "deniers" etc. Trumpatrons will never admit it...but neither will leftists, AGW'ers, etc, etc.

Posted by: Mimzey at April 28, 2016 03:13 PM (aRUb8)

360 See, there it is: I give you a perfect example of how Trump backpedaled on an issue - *as he almost always does* - and because you don't have an actual response to it, you make it about *me*.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (aFa2V)

Dude explain how he backpedaled. Seriously. I don't know what you're talking about. Write down two positions on abortion, and then say which one he had first and which one he had second.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:13 PM (xuouz)

361 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz)

Just have those conspiracy theories ready to go. In fact, it might be good to start developing them now. John Nolte and Breitbart have already gotten started.

Make your conspiracy theory absolves trump of all responsibility, and placing his terrible persona, dysfunctional political operation and toxic unfavorables among key demos as the fault of Bonner, Ryan, the GoPe, Mario or all the above.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 03:13 PM (OHyGW)

362 WHARGARBL!

Posted by: Sprnkler Lab at April 28, 2016 03:13 PM (etV2e)

363 "This is a realignment election, surely your polls you've been watching tell you that, don't they?"

They do to a degree, but the right questions aren't being asked. Bear with me on this, I don't have data to fully back this up...

1) Trump does very well with the white working class. This is what allowed him to win the south and the middle Atlantic states. For all the talk about MD/PA/DE being liberal northeast, the truth is the bulk of the Republicans in those states are working class. They are the mechanics and truck drivers in the states. In MD they are also the mid tier government workers.

2) White working class Independents tend to be younger and they mostly support Bernie. Guys in their 20s that are air conditioning techs for example. These guys could get on board with Trump, but they are also influenced by their social media social circles where Trump is literally a joke.

3) White working class democrats tend to be union. Will they vote for Trump or as their union asks for Hillary? I don't know.

4) Regardless, the white working class is demographically challenged to provide a victory for anyone. The millennials tend to be ethnically diverse, often Hispanic, and easily swayed by the SJW tropes of the day. And suburban women reflexively vote Dem.

5) These non-white voting blocs are going to keep getting larger. The Dems believe they own them. The GOP thinks you have to promise open borders to get them.

So the polls are capturing the tough road that Trump will have working outside of his base. He has to appeal to one of the other groups that is pissed off right now. The Berinie camp seems to be the most likely target to me.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 03:13 PM (03TIh)

364 sick of these fuckers and their robocalls. assholes

Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (/ygaY)

365

that Orange FL RINO who changed parties!!!

Charlie Crist!

Trump/Crist

team cheeto

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (zOTsN)

366 Did somebody say aesthetics?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (xuouz)

367 there is no one candidate who will fix everything

Yeah, we already had our messiah, and He doesn't care for our politics or stupid squabbles. He cares about our souls. Get that right, and all the rest falls into place.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (39g3+)

368 "I wonder when peach hate shakes come back?"

Northeastern farmers' peach buds were frozen on the trees last week, because RUNAWAY GLOBAL WARMING ELEVENTY. There will be some shortfalls in peach yields.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (noWW6)

369 I really don't get what motivates the hatred of Cruz from the Trump people.

I don't like him now because of his use of Lefty attacks. First justifying Leftist mob violence, now boosting the Leftist sexism card.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (uURQL)

370 So going by chemjeff's own standard that racists are
totes bad and need to be rejected from conservatism - he should disown
himself.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (uURQL)

Chemjeff does much better with beakers and stuff. Human beings, not so much.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (TOk1P)

371
There's a local chain that has quite tasty shakes and I may be forced, forced I tell you, to stop there for an Orange Push Up shake on the way home.
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

Orange Creamsicle is my absolute favorite popsicle/frozen confection, ever. So a shake in that flavor?? That positively gives me the vapors.

Please, ATC, stop and get one and enjoy it. I can't, due to dairy allergy, so I must live vicariously.

Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (ezHMO)

372 I know some of you people want to put your fingers in your ears and not contemplate the possibility of a Trump win, but that's more for your own mental health, and has nothing really, to do with real possibilities.

------------

I'm clearly not a Trump supporter (and never will be), but I do think he can win - as I thought anybody the GOP nominated could win since HRC is such a lousy candidate. But my belief in a Trump victory is diminishing with each day.

Wouldn't it be great if he did win, but then the electoral college voted for someone else? Well I think it would be great - I'm sure many of you think it would cause mass riots.

Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)

373 Want to keep fighting?

You fell for it.

Posted by: eman at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (mR7Es)

And you would counter this byyyyyy?? What SHOULD have everyone who didn't "fall for it" have done?

Posted by: Mimzey at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (aRUb8)

374
Oh my. I love an orange creamsicle. I'd love a shake that tastes like one.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (FsuaD)

It tastes exactly like an orange creamsicle and the shakes are so thick you have to eat with a spoon.

Cupcake status update: Still unconsumed in any fashion.

It's lies, scurrilous lies, that I have put one aside with a note saying I'M TAKING THIS HOME DO NOT TOUCH! Lies. *shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (mf5HN)

375 So is John Boehner channeling the spirit of Hugo Chavez now?

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (MpvuV)

376 336 I am incapable of generating emotion about any candidate for political office.

#alldeadinside 2008
Posted by: Mortimer at April 28, 2016 03:10 PM (Bbsg+)

This is exactly how I feel. I voted for (excuse me a moment while I spit bile) McCain, I voted for Romney, and I intend to vote for either Cruz or Trump - whoever comes out of the heap on top.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 28, 2016 03:16 PM (CFc5L)

377 Guy enters Fox Baltimore dressed lie a giant panda and saying he had a bomb strapped to chess. Ranting about black holes. Cops shot him:

http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id4270

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 28, 2016 03:16 PM (iQIUe)

378 If I've exchanged 50 words with him in my life I'd be surprised".

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probably 26 of the words were 'you' and the other 25 words were 'fuck'

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 28, 2016 03:16 PM (oGRue)

379 I wonder if I could make an orange creamsicle shake in the blender? Some frozen o.j. concentrate + vanilla ice cream?

*contemplates*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (FsuaD)

380 Seriously. I don't know what you're talking about. Write down two positions on abortion, and then say which one he had first and which one he had second.

I just arrived and, obviously, I really need to read this thread. Is Kari actually trying to claim Trump is consistent on abortion (or anything?). Holy moly, this'll be good.

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (/m8T6)

381 First justifying Leftist mob violence, now boosting the Leftist sexism card.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:14 PM (uURQL)

What are you referring to?

Posted by: Mimzey at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (aRUb8)

382
Cops shot him:

Good. And I don't even care about the bomb part.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (T0BVJ)

383 Marco Rubio JUST said

"Donald Trump reminds me of Charlie Crist"

Trump/Crist

place your bets

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (zOTsN)

384 Posted by: Mimzey at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (aRUb8

I would ignore it.

Posted by: eman at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (mR7Es)

385 Those do sound pretty good, if well made, but it doesn't sound like they mixed it very well. Some of the other flavors sound awful though.

===

Honey nut is a bit cloying on the aftertaste. Coffee nut is Strong. Right away you taste the coffee, like biting into a roasted bean at first.

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (3ZtZW)

386 133 My second-favorite bit of Trumplogic:

Trump's going to pivot to the general election. He'll pick up ground in the polls once he does.

Yeah, when's that going to start?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (A6sW3)

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He'd be doing it now if it weren't for the egomaniac dbag Cruz.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (B+Arn)

387 Wouldn't it be great if he did win, but then the electoral college voted for someone else? Well I think it would be great - I'm sure many of you think it would cause mass riots.
Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (gmeXX)

Maybe we need a thread on what would be good about a Trump victory.

The left would soon learn to appreciate the rule of law.

Posted by: AD at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (QuixQ)

388 As soon as one of these anti-Trump predictions comes true I'll spin up some conspiracy theories. I'm not holding my breath, though.

My problem is I actually like you guys, and I actually used to read all these #NeverTrump writers and bloggers and thinkers, and I'm a man without a country, trying to bridge the ends of the conservative intellectual with the means of the populist who could deliver them the influence they've been denied by the footsoldiers of global socialism.

But you wont help yourselves. And I'm not carrying your asses.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)

389 they will move a tanning bed into the West Wing

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (zOTsN)

390 Please, ATC, stop and get one and enjoy it. I can't, due to dairy allergy, so I must live vicariously.
Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (ezHMO)

Well, if it's for a noble cause . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (mf5HN)

391 Have the Trumpsters yet developed the conspiracy theory of how the rigged system stole the election from him leading to a Hillary landslide and GOP wipeout in Congress? I mean, might as well start working on it now as the outcome is inevitable.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (eK8Tl)

392 379 I wonder if I could make an orange creamsicle shake in the blender? Some frozen o.j. concentrate + vanilla ice cream?

*contemplates*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (FsuaD)

I just looked up a recipe-orange sherbet/sorbet, vanilla ice cream, whole milk or cream and vanilla.

It sounds divine.

Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (ezHMO)

393 Chemjeff does much better with beakers and stuff. Human beings, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 03:15 PM (TOk1P)

I'd rather go back to enjoying his company, but the one lesson I have learned from #GamerGate and #RabidPuppies is that we can't tolerate this shit. We get more of it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (uURQL)

394 aren't pandas endangered?

Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (/ygaY)

395 Trump/Crist

place your bets

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (zOTsN)

The ORANGE...it burns...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (FsuaD)

396
Rubio reminds me of John Boehner.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (T0BVJ)

397
353 I would like a pistachio shake. Does anyone make those. Pistachio ice cream was on of my favorite things as a kid, and the other day I went into "Whole Paycheck" (I know; I'm a bad, bad person!n) and picked up some soy latte drink with pistachio and espresso. It was really expensive (I hadn't looked at the price until I hit the checkout) and really good!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (w4NZ

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I know that Ben and Jerry are filthy rotten stinking commie pigs, but I can't quit their chocolate fudge brownie ice cream.

I've tried, but I can't. I can't.

Posted by: Soona at April 28, 2016 03:19 PM (Fmupd)

398 "So the polls are capturing the tough road that Trump will have working outside of his base. He has to appeal to one of the other groups that is pissed off right now. The Berinie camp seems to be the most likely target to me."

Trump has already said he likes Bernie's attacks.

Trump will hit the banks.

I'd even go so far as he might promise a $15 minimum wage.

Once Trump wins nom, he goes left.

He's pretty good at hitting some populist truths. Might work.

But once elected it means you have a Democrat Lite in office, who will keep ACA, who will appoint waffles, etc. Better than Hillary, maybe.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:19 PM (UBBWX)

399 332 Who blew the margins?!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 03:09 PM (jVvcc)

++++

Looks like comment #319 with all the underscores.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 03:19 PM (R+30W)

400 So the polls are capturing the tough road that Trump
will have working outside of his base. He has to appeal to one of the
other groups that is pissed off right now. The Berinie camp seems to be
the most likely target to me.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 03:13 PM (03TIh)

What would be really interesting, if Bernie manages to show some integrity and not only reject any call from Hillory to coalesce behind her, but actually tell his voters to reject her.

Bernie ought to know better than anyone how rotten that Party is.

I guess my assumption is, you have the data in front of you, and you are using it as best you can to glean what is happening, but today's data is not going to very well resemble what happens from here until November.

So again, my prediction: This will get worse, not better.

How? What's it actually going to look like? Really, I have no idea, and I don't think anyone else does either.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2016 03:19 PM (TOk1P)

401 133 My second-favorite bit of Trumplogic:

Trump's going to pivot to the general election. He'll pick up ground in the polls once he does.

Yeah, when's that going to start?
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 02:42 PM (A6sW3)

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He'd be doing it now if it weren't for the egomaniac dbag Cruz.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (B+Arn)

We're already talking about a guy who's against cutting any spending besides waste and fraud--in the Republican primary. WTF is a pivot going to look like?

Posted by: AD at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (QuixQ)

402 Rubio reminds me of John Boehner.

Please even Rubio isn't that bad...

Posted by: donna at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (O2RFr)

403 That does it. When I head out to Publix I'm picking up ingredients for an orange shake.

I blame Boner.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (FsuaD)

404 Hey everybody, thought I'd pop in to see if anything New and original can be beaten out of this deceased horse...
Any new insights, monumental revelations???...

Posted by: kraken at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (zuTLp)

405 Orange Creamsicle is my absolute favorite popsicle/frozen confection, ever. So a shake in that flavor?? That positively gives me the vapors.

I got some generic tums at the store. They're creamsicle flavored. This seems unwise, basically they taste like candy. Medicine should taste horrific so people only use it when they need it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (39g3+)

406 Maybe we need a thread on what would be good about a Trump victory.

The left would soon learn to appreciate the rule of law.

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See I expect Trump to do things the left would like - so no I don't think they will all of a sudden get a new found appreciation for the rule of law.

But maybe Congress will finally take back some of its power that it has given away.

Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (gmeXX)

407 Bastards have ruined hats.

Nobody ruins hats.

Fedoras are forever.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (1xUj/)

408 "the white working class is demographically challenged to provide a victory for anyone."

White non-college is the largest cohort out there. They've been ignored by the Rs, and actively alienated by the Ds. If you move their participation up by 5% to 7%, which would still be less than the Black participation rate in 2012 -- the Rs win the electoral map.

Trump can sway some Hispanics and Blacks to at least stay home, and do better than Romney with these cohorts.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (r1fLd)

409 I didn't use quotes, chemjeff. I was summarizing your words from my point of view. That's an opinion and not a lie.

That is your smarmy dodge to try to get out of your lies.

This is what you wrote:

"The white guy tells me I'm acting white"

I did not tell you that you are acting white. That is a lie. Own up to the lie that you told.

I told you I am not white. You said I identify with a different
racial identity than the one I have, and compared me to racial fraudster
Rachel Dolezal. You have also called me a white nationalist and
supremacist.

If you are a racial minority, which I cannot independently verify for myself, it is my *opinion* that you identify more with white people than with your own race, based on statements that you wrote last night such as:

""White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.
"

That is what you wrote, not me.

And when I said that this smacks of white supremacy, you tried to use your race as a dodge, and as I pointed out, one does not have to have white skin in order to be a white supremacist. After all, Rachel Dolezal identified more with black culture than white culture despite her skin color. I never accused you of Dolezal levels of deception and fraud. That is the feigned outrage that you imputed into my statements, in order to avoid answering my questions about your white supremacist/white nationalist views.

And you know what? Go right ahead and advocate for white supremacy, I really don't give a shit. But then don't complain when others call you out on it, and hide behind your skin color as some poor reason why a nonwhite person can't be a white supremacist.

And incidentally you have never disputed the claims about your white nationalist views, and you cite alt-right heroes like Vox Day approvingly, and link to alt-right web sites favorably. Instead you spend all of your time calling me a liar and impugning my character. When you do that you avoid having to answer questions about your own views. That is just cheap rhetorical tactics.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (dpnZC)

410 "given the choice between a fake democrat and a real democrat, the electorate seems ot insist on a real democrat. and the conservatives stay home

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:02 PM (zOTsN) "

I don't see any evidence of that. The elections we've lost since the 70's have been:

1976: Watergate backlash
1992: Third-party spoiler grabs 19% of the vote and a weak incumbent loses to a challenger who only managed 43% of the popular vote
1996: Decently-strong incumbent (backed by recovering economy) beats weak challenger (and still doesn't break 50% of the popular vote)
2008: Chocolate Jesus 1
2012: Chocolate Jesus 2: Incumbency Boogaloo

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (kumBu)

411 Kari

"I actually used to read all these #NeverTrump writers"

I used to sort of like those writers, too.

I don't like Trump, but those writers also annoy me now, too. Some more than others.

I also found out who would sell out principles for ratings pretty fast, too.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (UBBWX)

412 "I really don't get what motivates the hatred of Cruz from the Trump people."

Mostly they have an irrational hatred based upon having a personal, emotional, investment in their candidate. If the candidate is wrong then they are wrong and many people would do anything rather than admit a mistake. The best way is to let it drop (despite the fun of I told you so's) and after a while they will deny they ever supported that candidate or had that hate.

Whereas OUR hate is based upon cold, clear, logical understanding of what sort of immoral, sub-moronic, foolish, grinning, gabbling jackass their candidate is and only our guy can save us from the demons about to descend from Democratia and Dear sweet Lord what do I have to do to get these fools, FOOLS! to see that I am RIGHT!

Something like that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (hLRSq)

413 That does it. When I head out to Publix I'm picking up ingredients for an orange shake.

I blame Boner.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (FsuaD)

The Publix isn't open yet. OMG IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN IN LIKE TWO WEEKS YAAAY ahem

The Wegmans that's only like 2 1/2 hours away hasn't even been started yet. (Yes, I would drive 2 1/2 hours for Wegmans).

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (mf5HN)

414 The anti-Trump fantasy that he must lose the election against Hillary Clinton is interesting.

It shows how much we've been conditioned to believe we can't win, that we can only nobly lose on principles.

It's time to learn how to win. Be a winning winner. The starting point is to aggressively pursue truth - in self-evaluation, in community, culture, and even politics.

Since when did free trade become more important than a nation's people? America started off funding the federal government purely through a tariff, with no income tax!

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (uURQL)

415 >>I just arrived and, obviously, I really need to read this thread. Is Kari actually trying to claim Trump is consistent on abortion (or anything?). Holy moly, this'll be good.

Forget it Jake, it's Trump Town.

I've pointed out to Kari at least a half a dozen times Trump's inconsistency on various positions and all I get in response is some drivel about aesthetics.

You can't reason somebody out of a positions they didn't reason themselves into.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (/tuJf)

416 "Guy enters Fox Baltimore dressed lie a giant panda and saying he had a bomb strapped to chess."

Merely a pawn in a larger game.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (noWW6)

417 Hey everybody, thought I'd pop in to see if anything New and original can be beaten out of this deceased horse...

Every time they hit the horse it moves a little, so they think its still alive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

418 I just arrived and, obviously, I really need to read this thread. Is Kari actually trying to claim Trump is consistent on abortion (or anything?). Holy moly, this'll be good.
Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 03:17 PM (/m8T6)

LOL! Everyone says this like I'm such an idiot but what position did he hold prior to his current position?

Here's his stance on abortion: http://bit.ly/20ZBoth

How is this different from ace's position on abortion? Why is it unacceptable that he may have been more liberal in the past but has changed his mind? I understand and accept that it may be unbelievable but
A you can be less of a dick about it to me personally and
B I can't accept that we won't permit outsiders into our party, especially when it's someone capable of drumming up popular support like this.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)

419 So, is Ace tellin' me that the Orange Man and the Tan Man are buds?
Well, that seals it for me, I'm getting on the establishment train, I'm drinking the Orangeaid, consider me a Trump-bot now.
To paraphrase Juan McCain, "This guy Trump is someone we can work with!"

Posted by: Trumplethinskin at April 28, 2016 03:22 PM (VDovR)

420 Guys, you're all so much smarter than me, you better just not engage me or answer any of my questions or give examples of the things you flatly claim to be true.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)

421
And you know what? Go right ahead and advocate for white supremacy,

How absurd. Each day you sound more and more like a leftist.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:23 PM (T0BVJ)

422 Hey, everybody; let's go to Mar-a-Lago for cocktails served by foreign workers!

Sincerely,

Posted by: The Boehner/Trump/Clinton Axis of Uni-Party at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (Ndje9)

423 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (hLRSq)

Thanks. I needed a good chuckle.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (KUaJL)

424 Mostly they have an irrational hatred based upon having a personal, emotional, investment in their candidate. If the candidate is wrong then they are wrong and many people would do anything rather than admit a mistake.

Plenty of that to go around every election.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (39g3+)

425 "Someone came into the front of the building and they apparently said that they had some information they wanted to get on the air," Tomko told reporters. "I came down at one point not knowing the person was in the lobby, near the vestibule area. He talked to me and was wearing what appears to be a full body white panda suit, surgical mask and sunglasses."

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur For-ks America at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (e8kgV)

426 "Why is it unacceptable that he may have been more liberal in the past but has changed his mind?"

But we still gotta fund planned parenthood, amirite?

Because that's Trump's position.

Basically Trump is just like GOPe - lie to you about politics and then do what he wants.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (UBBWX)

427 I wish I could be "enthusiastic" about either of these Candidates...

Posted by: donna at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (O2RFr)

428 Boner's statement is a good illustration of why Cruzader Ted is a pipe dream-- none of the Radical Reformer Tedfantasies have a snowball's chance of coming true because everyone else in Washington hates him.

Posted by: Ganondorf at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (qzauo)

429 Sorry, you're going to have to explain what the hell that means.
Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 03:11 PM (LqrRo)

Oh I was just trying to make pleasant conversation with a fellow member of the church of atheism, as I too have been touched by his noodly appendage mmmyes, and thought a question about any recently purchased chapeaus would kick things off on the right foot, m'commenter.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (xuouz)

430 As soon as one of these anti-Trump predictions comes true I'll spin up some conspiracy theories. I'm not holding my breath, though.

My problem is I actually like you guys, and I actually used to read all these #NeverTrump writers and bloggers and thinkers, and I'm a man without a country, trying to bridge the ends of the conservative intellectual with the means of the populist who could deliver them the influence they've been denied by the footsoldiers of global socialism.

But you wont help yourselves. And I'm not carrying your asses.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)

The problem isn't the tiny percent of conservative intellectuals that are nevertrump. They are the fact he is toxic, hated and a joke among the general public, including all non-white non-male non-uneducated demographics.

As for being "footsoldiers of global socialism", I can think of no more apt description for trumpkins that elevated the single candidate that will give a slimy, crappy Clinton a massive landslade victory complete with downballot disaster. Then we get to see whether the Gope spilt government was so terrible- when the democrats control all three branches. You guys earned it, enjoy.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (OHyGW)

431 Hey everybody, thought I'd pop in to see if anything New and original can be beaten out of this deceased horse...
Any new insights, monumental revelations???...
Posted by: kraken at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (zuTLp)

Orange creamsicle shakes are awesome.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (mf5HN)

432 Ironically enough, a Scott Adams latest post that includes Trump on abortion:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hrmo9yp

Here's a taste:

Kelly: You said women should be "punished" for getting illegal abortions, and then you changed your position the next day. Should women be punished for getting illegal abortions?

Trump: The first time I heard that question, my initial reaction was that anyone who breaks a law should be punished. But lots of folks explained to me why this is a special case and needs to stay that way. So once I heard a better argument I quickly adjusted. It's rare to have a crime that has no punishment, but it makes sense in this case.

That changes the frame from "Trump wants to punish women" to "This is a rare case where a crime should have no punishment." It also demonstrates his flexibility in the face of a better argument. And since Trump is running as a citizen-politician, we expect him to do some catch-up on the issues.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (jVvcc)

433 Do you realize how much liquor and golf passes that Boehner endorsement cost me?

Posted by: D. J. Trump at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (dZQw4)

434
Orange creamsicle shakes are awesome.

I prefer Chocolate... Chocolate anything...

Posted by: donna at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (O2RFr)

435 353 I would like a pistachio shake. Does anyone make those. Pistachio ice cream was on of my favorite things as a kid, and the other day I went into "Whole Paycheck" (I know; I'm a bad, bad person!n) and picked up some soy latte drink with pistachio and espresso. It was really expensive (I hadn't looked at the price until I hit the checkout) and really good!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:12 PM (w4NZ

I love pistachio ice cream too. It is also not that easy to find. In my opinion it should make a come-back.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (CFc5L)

436 340 "I wonder what would happen if Trump picked somebody like Allen West. "

Same thing that would happen if he picked Mia Love.

Nothing.

Nobody votes for Vice President. Plus, this blatant reach for the black vote only works if you pick a black for VP.

Allen West and Mia Love are white people with an incredible tan. At least that's how the black community view them.

Go with Al Sharpton.

You could actually get some black votes and the VP is a worthless position anyway.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (Zs4uk)

437 I wonder if I could make an orange creamsicle shake in the blender? Some frozen o.j. concentrate + vanilla ice cream?

*contemplates*

For industrial quantities: two Hare Krishnas in a cement mixer with ice.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (1xUj/)

438 Silly. The character of the leaders is all that
ever restrains them. Constitutional limits are not physical boundaries,
they are only obeyed by leaders of character and virtue. The shackles
of constitutional limits don't disappear, they're just ignored.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)

They can't be ignored except in a situation where the shackles have been allowed to fall into disrepair by the polity (usually so that they can get unmerited favor from corrupt politicians).

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (3JA/M)

439 You Cruz Eeyores are soooo FOS.

Trump draws 10,000 where Hillary draws 1,000. Trump may be a blowhard used car salesman, but he is something. Trump is a phenomenon. Underestimating his appeal to voters is for fools and assholes.

Posted by: Farina at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (WZUNe)

440
Look, the problem isn't Trump and you all know it.

The fact that Boner said such an outrageous thing about a decent man and a conservative is exactly why Trump is the right medication for the GOP at the present time, even if that medicine is poison.

Stop voting for Republicans.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (T0BVJ)

441 atc, where in the carolinas are these shakes?

Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (/ygaY)

442 But we still gotta fund planned parenthood, amirite?
Because that's Trump's position.
Basically Trump is just like GOPe - lie to you about politics and then do what he wants.
Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (UBBWX)

Will you please, please, please read the link I provided in >418?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (xuouz)

443 and let's have a bunch of foreign H1B models come around for drinks, too.

BTW, why is Trump into the modeling business?

I think we know why. Same reason as he's into beauty pageants. I bet the real serious groping accusations come out right after his nomination acceptance speech.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX)

444 See I expect Trump to do things the left would like - so no I don't think they will all of a sudden get a new found appreciation for the rule of law.

Oh, I'm sure he'll do some stuff. The left hates him for a few reasons, though, and it's not entirely his demeanor. The restraints on him in the executive office will be nil.

But maybe Congress will finally take back some of its power that it has given away.
Posted by: SH at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (gmeXX)

Yeah, good luck with that.

Posted by: AD at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (QuixQ)

445 "I really don't get what motivates the hatred of Cruz from the Trump people."

Cruz is un-electable in the general. There's no national market for a so-called Conservative who talks like a snake-handling preacher. And he's Canadian.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (r1fLd)

446 427 I wish I could be "enthusiastic" about either of these Candidates...
Posted by: donna at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (O2RFr)

Eh, donna, they'll just break your heart. They're just politicians, in the end, out of the gate with a couple of screws loose, with all that hubris and such.

Posted by: kraken at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (zuTLp)

447 How can Cruz be considered anti-establishment when Neil Bush is one of his money-men?

Someone please assplain that to me.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (VjPX+)

448 Country's closed - didn't other Moose tell you.

http://www.dumpaday.com/
wp-content/uploads/2016/04/255.jpg

Your chin scritches better be upto par.

http://www.dumpaday.com/
wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pictures-2416.jpg

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (DL2i+)

449
I love pistachio ice cream too. It is also not that easy to find. In my opinion it should make a come-back.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (CFc5L)

Pistachio gelato is yummy. Also, I believe Ben and Jerry's makes a commie version of the ice cream.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (FsuaD)

450 I'm not surprised. I don't know why anyone else is either.

As far as people up thread going "Dude it's too late, get over it."

Why? Because you say so? Ace wants Cruz, so do I and he has a right to push Cruz up until he's officially eliminated.

Another thing I think is funny is some pro-Trump folks making snide remarks about how "now Cruz can only save us."

Maybe some people feel that way, so what? Trump people sure as hell think that about their preferred candidate.

Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (R5HRU)

451 413 That does it. When I head out to Publix I'm picking up ingredients for an orange shake.

I blame Boner.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (FsuaD)

The Publix isn't open yet. OMG IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN IN LIKE TWO WEEKS YAAAY ahem

The Wegmans that's only like 2 1/2 hours away hasn't even been started yet. (Yes, I would drive 2 1/2 hours for Wegmans).
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (mf5HN)

We have Wegmans, which is pretty awesome, but I so, so, so miss Publix. Awesome deli food, awesome baked goods, (their key lime pie is amazing and not expensive) and they actually have sales so we can afford the food. Wegmans- we go there for produce and the German coffee we like, and now can only drink. Their meat is exceptional, but pricey.

And Fenelon-an easy pistachio shake is pistachio pudding (3 oz box), 1 1/2 cups milk, 1-2 cups vanilla ice cream, blend and enjoy!!

Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (ezHMO)

452

remember when the republicans stopped illegal immigration, reduced the size of government, shrunk the budget, cut departments, secured the border

me neither

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (zOTsN)

453 If you are a racial minority, which I cannot independently verify for myself, it is my *opinion* that you identify more with white people than with your own race, based on statements

----

Dayyum b!tch be 'typin

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (3ZtZW)

454 Trump is a phenomenon.

More of a "novelty."

Posted by: donna at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (O2RFr)

455 Hey everybody, thought I'd pop in to see if anything New and original can be beaten out of this deceased horse...

Every time they hit the horse it moves a little, so they think its still alive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

Dead Horse Paste!!!

Get'cher Dead Horse Paste here.

Good on toast or crackers.

A yummy treat any time.

Beaten to a creamy smooth texture that delights the tongue!!!

Dead Horse Paste!!!

Get'cher Dead Horse Paste right here!!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (0cMkb)

456 How absurd. Each day you sound more and more like a leftist.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:23 PM (T0BVJ)
How would you describe this statement?
"White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.

http://tinyurl.com/gmhwge8

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (dpnZC)

457 atc, where in the carolinas are these shakes?
Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (/ygaY)

Cookouts. The chain, not, you know, someone's backyard cookout though that would be awesome.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (mf5HN)

458 I don't see texting buddies as some proof of establishment or being an
insider. They aren't fond of Trump, either, they just hate Cruz more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 02:24 PM (39g3+)

You are wrong about this not being proof that Trump is establishment (though I don't know why you would need any more proof than his entire business career and his bragging about buying politicians).

If you support Trump, you should be able to do so while acknowledging the truth about him.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:29 PM (3JA/M)

459 But I'm sure the pretend anti-establisment stalwart Trump will say this just shows how Cruz "can't get along with people" to "make great deals."

- - -

Well, they're right.

Posted by: Community Organizer at April 28, 2016 03:29 PM (9VLhN)

460 I still want someone, maybe Trump to talk about how Hillary is a racist for trying to deny a black man, then a Jew, a job.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:29 PM (39g3+)

461 239----How many times have we read on these threads that Cruz is "creepy"? Why do you suppose that is? Here's a theory: The reason we have separate ethnicities in the first place is this "creepy" feeling we get when confronted with someone from another tribe. It's a defense mechanism that we all share, whether we can admit it or not -- it's part of our biology. We all try to suppress it, but it's there.

And Cruz is Hispanic. I've seen his "upside down smile" before -- on Mexicans I know. (I don't know any Cubans.)

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 02:56 PM (LqrRo)
---------------------
Of course you don't know the difference between a Cuban and a Mexican. Obviously.

Look, I hate to overturn your precious theories here, but perhaps it is Cruz's Anglo mother that gave him creepy genes.
After all, Rubio, who is 100% Cuban, doesn't seem to be creepy at all.

I HAVE NO WORDS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2016 03:29 PM (T/5A0)

462 "Will you please, please, please read the link I provided in >418?"

No. I have heard Trump with my very own ears say they do good work.

I have also heard him say his favorite book is the Bible.

And also that heard him say the government must take care of women, and healthcare and then later say no, government should not.

anyways, no need to sway me. Your guy will be the nominee and you can enjoy rationalizing his every switcheroo there is.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:29 PM (UBBWX)

463 Stop voting for Republicans.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (T0BVJ)
If Trump is the nominee, that is exactly what I intend to do.
Oh and that doesn't mean I am going to vote for Hillary either. I will not.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (dpnZC)

464
Cookouts. The chain, not, you know, someone's backyard cookout though that would be awesome.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:28 PM (mf5HN)

OMG, there's a Cookouts about 15 minutes from me. I had no idea about the shakes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (FsuaD)

465 wow, plenty of those around charlotte. thanks, atc

Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (/ygaY)

466 Trump draws 10,000 where Hillary draws 1,000. Trump may be a blowhard used car salesman, but he is something. Trump is a phenomenon. Underestimating his appeal to voters is for fools and assholes.
Posted by: Farina at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (WZUNe)

The thing of it is though, Romney had great crowds while Obama was lucky to fill a high school auditorium, yet, he was re-elected, maybe not exactly fairly (which is another great concern).

Posted by: washrivergal at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (CFc5L)

467 439 You Cruz Eeyores are soooo FOS.

Trump draws 10,000 where Hillary draws 1,000. Trump may be a blowhard used car salesman, but he is something. Trump is a phenomenon. Underestimating his appeal to voters is for fools and assholes.
Posted by: Farina at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (WZUNe)

Right because "rallies" of 10,000 tell us about the general voting preferences of hundreds of millions. Ask your buddy Bernie how that worked out.

Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (OHyGW)

468 Is it possible this is Boehner deliberately jumping on a grenade? It seems almost too perfect, especially considering he felt the need to say it in such a public forum. Unlikely, but would certainly redeem him in my book if it turned out to be the case.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (jCH/T)

469 "He talked to me and was wearing what appears to be a full body white panda suit, surgical mask and sunglasses."

As one does.

I mean, you see these badly-brought-up people these days out and about in their full body panda suits *without* the surgical mask. It's like white shoes after Labor Day. A plague, I tell you. Standards are plummeting.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (noWW6)

470 I never get the Wegmans love. Maybe our local Wegmans is not the usual one, but the aisles are narrow and the meats aren't great. Trader Joes is my favorite for many things and Whole Wallet for meats.

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (/m8T6)

471 431 Hey everybody, thought I'd pop in to see if anything New and original can be beaten out of this deceased horse...
Any new insights, monumental revelations???...
Posted by: kraken at April 28, 2016 03:20 PM (zuTLp)

Orange creamsicle shakes are awesome.
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (mf5HN)

I laughed. Thanks for that, because I've had a crappy day, with back pain, and the need for an entire new HVAC system.

Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (ezHMO)

472 Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 28, 2016 03:24 PM (KUaJL)

It's scandalous how much material you guys and gals provide me with.

Ooops - I mean - guys, gals, and the differentially gendered, non-gendered, un-gendered, multi-poly-wolly-doodle-all-the-day-gendered.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (hLRSq)

473 "a Cuban and a Mexican"

All native Americans came from Asia in specific time period.

Spanish blood from the conquistadors.

Cubans and Mexicans probably do share a lot of genetics.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (UBBWX)

474

Orange creamsicle shakes are awesome.
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM

-------------------

Mmmmm. Now I want an Orange Julius. And please don't tell me the owners are fucking communists too.

Posted by: Soona at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)

475 Stronger ticket. Probably can't fix the economy, but now can probably fix my printer.

Posted by: USA at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (tfM+W)

476 The problem isn't the tiny percent of conservative intellectuals that are nevertrump. They are the fact he is toxic, hated and a joke among the general public, including all non-white non-male non-uneducated demographics.

As for being "footsoldiers of global socialism", I can think of no more apt description for trumpkins that elevated the single candidate that will give a slimy, crappy Clinton a massive landslade victory complete with downballot disaster. Then we get to see whether the Gope spilt government was so terrible- when the democrats control all three branches. You guys earned it, enjoy.
Posted by: Hotdog at April 28, 2016 03:25 PM (OHyGW)

You're already angry at me about a catastophe that hasn't even happened yet, and your certainty of it is based on assumptions about demographic opposition to Trump that aren't true.

The footsoldiers of global socialism that I refer to are establishment democrats. That is our enemy. And if you really think Trump is one of them you just haven't been paying attention to him. I get that it's tough to do (he's irritating to listen to) but he is simply. not. a. socialist. He is a walking repudiation of modern leftism.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (xuouz)

477 461 239----How many times have we read on these threads that Cruz is "creepy"? Why do you suppose that is? Here's a theory: The reason we have separate ethnicities in the first place is this "creepy" feeling we get when confronted with someone from another tribe. It's a defense mechanism that we all share, whether we can admit it or not -- it's part of our biology. We all try to suppress it, but it's there.

- - -

Nah.

Dude just looks weird as fuck.

Posted by: Community Organizer at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (9VLhN)

478 "1) Trump does very well with the white working class. This is what
allowed him to win the south and the middle Atlantic states. For all
the talk about MD/PA/DE being liberal northeast, the truth is the bulk
of the Republicans in those states are working class. They are the
mechanics and truck drivers in the states. In MD they are also the mid
tier government workers."

And the East. And the West, come California primary. Trump is a regional candiadate restricted to all four points of the compass.

"2) White working class Independents tend to be younger and they
mostly support Bernie. Guys in their 20s that are air conditioning
techs for example. These guys could get on board with Trump, but they
are also influenced by their social media social circles where Trump is
literally a joke."

Getting caught up in those cuck labels again. Just because their age puts them in the 'working class' doesn't mean that they're actually working. Bernie support is concentrated among the verbally agile with YUGE student loans.

"3) White working class democrats tend to be union. Will they vote for Trump or as their union asks for Hillary? I don't know."

'I can't ask myself if union guys would work for a guy who talked like a union boss or that I'd be likely to be okay with having a beer with...or that's been unprecedentedly endorsed by at least one other real union(The Border Patrol).

"4) Regardless, the white working class is demographically challenged
to provide a victory for anyone. The millennials tend to be ethnically
diverse, often Hispanic, and easily swayed by the SJW tropes of the
day. And suburban women reflexively vote Dem."

Suburban women reflexively vote Alpha. GOP hasn't run with Alpha since Reagan.

"5) These non-white voting blocs are going to keep getting larger.
The Dems believe they own them. The GOP thinks you have to promise open
borders to get them."

The 'voting blocs' are anything but without massive coordinated campaigns, and Trump voters are happy with removing them, since you've just demonstrated that their very presence is an engine of party corruption. Being supported is fine, but those supporters also have to be competent enough to BUILD your grand vision.

"So the polls are capturing the tough road that Trump will have
working outside of his base. He has to appeal to one of the other
groups that is pissed off right now. The Berinie camp seems to be the
most likely target to me."

Expect him to come down on the side of college loan forgiveness shortly before it's too late for Hillary to pivot to it.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (61Gds)

479 I did not tell you that you are acting white. That is a lie. Own up to the lie that you told.

... it is my *opinion* that you identify more with white people than with your own race

"In the United States, acting white is a pejorative term, usually applied to African Americans, which refers to a person's perceived betrayal of their culture by assuming the social expectations of white society."

Would you like another bullet to shoot yourself in the foot with?

So you've just destroyed your own claim. But now you've lied about me lying. You're the one who had to retract 4 lies yesterday, and now you think you can play the same game when you don't even know how to be honest.

""White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.
"

That is what you wrote, not me.

Note the quotation marks around "white". I even helpfully clarified in later posts that it's not just any "white", but specifically a British culture of Rule of Law; which is currently very absent from our current Latino and Black communities.

And when I said that this smacks of white supremacy, you tried to use your race as a dodge, and as I pointed out, one does not have to have white skin in order to be a white supremacist. After all, Rachel Dolezal identified more with black culture than white culture despite her skin color. I never accused you of Dolezal levels of deception and fraud. That is the feigned outrage that you imputed into my statements, in order to avoid answering my questions about your white supremacist/white nationalist views.

The fact that you're white and you're so freaking stupid is strong evidence that my non-white race is superior to yours. Call me a white supremacist now, chemjeff.

Didn't see that coming, did you? Think, for God's sake, think!

The first step is to lose your kneejerk Racist Inquisition. It's making you racist AND stupid.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (uURQL)

480
Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 02:56 PM (LqrRo)

You wanna talk about creepy, how about Rubio? Ever see him drink from a bottle of water?

Posted by: Mimzey at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (aRUb8)

481 OT but interesting.

A muslim couple were murdered in San Jose. The killers left a message saying "sorry my first kill was sloppy". Of course the cairbears were out in force saying it was islamaphobia hate crime blah blah blah.

Yeah the couples' sons were just arrested for the killing

Posted by: Lauren at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (yEyxB)

482 GoK, that's where you have it backwards. The Cruz fans who are now resigning themselves to a Trump nomination, we're the ones without a country. For years, even as the Democrats won political victory after political victory, we were safe in our little palace of camaraderie and snark, assured that at the very least we had the *true* moral high ground. Not the faux peacocking of the SJW's who claim to be offended on behalf of every marginalized group on the planet, but the actual moral high ground of having principles and not falling for the first huckster that mouths some platitudes and offers us a few shiny bits from the tablecloth in order to co-opt our movement. That illusion has been well and truly shattered by this primary cycle.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (kumBu)

483 OMG, there's a Cookouts about 15 minutes from me. I had no idea about the shakes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (FsuaD)

*stares*

*stares more*

They have like 40 different kinds. Not counting the seasonal ones.

http://cookoutnc.com/

*shoves you out door* WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE GO GET A MILK SHAKE.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

484 "Trump may be a blowhard used car salesman, but"

See! there it is!

They honestly think blowhard used car salesman is not a big deal.

People like used car salesmen! LOL.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (UBBWX)

485 Pistachio gelato is yummy. Also, I believe Ben and Jerry's makes a commie version of the ice cream.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:27 PM (FsuaD)

I try, I do try to stay away from Ben and Jerry's for that reason.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (CFc5L)

486 If Trump is the nominee, that is exactly what I intend to do.
Oh and that doesn't mean I am going to vote for Hillary either. I will not.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:30 PM (dpnZC)
_____________________________

Oh come on now,, you know you want too...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (HSmrB)

487 " I bet the real serious groping accusations come out right after his nomination acceptance speech.

You heard it here first."

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX)

Like Trump groping Miss America contestants wouldn't have been news before.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (Zs4uk)

488 "And Fenelon-an easy pistachio shake is pistachio pudding (3 oz box), 1
1/2 cups milk, 1-2 cups vanilla ice cream, blend and enjoy!!"

Ummmmmmmmm this pudding. It has previously been where again exactly?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (noWW6)

489 "I guess my assumption is, you have the data in front of you, and you are using it as best you can to glean what is happening, but today's data is not going to very well resemble what happens from here until November."

I said that this morning, actually. There is a lot of data available about what people think right NOW about the candidates. But opinions can change. I voted for that asshole McCain, and at the time was pretty comfortable with it.

I'm trying hard to say that "This is what people think NOW, but that doesn't mean they will think that in November", but people are mistaking that for being a prediction. What I am looking for is what could happen to change the trajectory. Trump is hated and laughed at outside the GOP echo chamber right now. What does he do to either get those people to vote for him, or get enough people to not vote?

Rasmussen has a poll today showing the 24% of both parties won't vote.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (03TIh)

490
Wegman's sells an expensive ice cream brand called HALO TOPS which is supposed to be delish and EXTREMELY LOW in calories and fat.

Yes, a miracle ice cream.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (T0BVJ)

491 >>>I cut the cord completely to Hollyweird years ago, so someone will have to fill in the details, but, um, isn't there a popular television program right now where the central plot and casting gimmick is in presenting Lucifer as a sympathetic character?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)

Mark Twain was doing this a over a hundred years ago.

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (bMcUX)

492 I don't see any evidence of that. The elections we've lost since the 70's have been:

1976: Watergate backlash
1992: Third-party spoiler grabs 19% of the vote and a weak incumbent loses to a challenger who only managed 43% of the popular vote
1996: Decently-strong incumbent (backed by recovering economy) beats weak challenger (and still doesn't break 50% of the popular vote)
2008: Chocolate Jesus 1
2012: Chocolate Jesus 2: Incumbency Boogaloo

2008 & 2012 both fall under the fake democrat rule, IMO ...

McCain trash talks fellow Repubs & Romney had the Romney Care albatross ...

Posted by: Adriane the Past, Present, & probably Future SOS Critic ... at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (AoK0a)

493
*shoves you out door* WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE GO GET A MILK SHAKE.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

But...but...if I get the milk shake, then I HAVE to buy an awesome hamburger, which will kill my appetite to make dinner...

*sulks*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (FsuaD)

494 Kari, Trump is all over the place on abortion. One day he's against it in all cases, including incest and rape, while other days he wants to keep funding the fine work of PP ("except for the abortions"), which is exactly what todays status quo is. Trump has no idea what his published policy statements on abortion say, and he really could care less about it. His ideal Supreme Court appointment is patterned after his sister, a wild-eyed pro abortion radical. Seriously, this isn't about you-- it's about Trump's lack of clear principles. Again.

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (/m8T6)

495 "That illusion has been well and truly shattered by this primary cycle."

This.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (03TIh)

496 Harun you're angry at Trump about holding a position he doesn't hold, and you won't ~~click~~ copy/paste that link I gave you to educate yourself.

I'm trying to help you. Take 45 second and glance at what I posted.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (xuouz)

497 Boehner has been saying he will vote for Hillary over Cruz and that he really wants a coontested convention so he can push Ryan

Boehner wants Ryan. He has been saying this since March

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (zOTsN)

What Boehner wants is beyond irrelevant. The delegates will be voting on the rules not his orangeness. Man will I be glad when we never have to hear from him again.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:35 PM (3JA/M)

498 I don't hate Cruz I just don't think he can win and is a better advocate for constitutionalist principles in the Senate.

I think what is absolutely needed right now is aggression and bombast mixed with a fair amount of nativism and populism.

Will Trump govern as I would like him to?

I have no idea.

I do know that the Bush and the GOP did not goveren as I wanted them to do for the 8 years of his presidency and for the past 15 years.

The last GOP president I was happy with left office in 89, 27 years ago and it's been a shit show ever since.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 28, 2016 03:35 PM (3MZBD)

499 I am SO DAMNED SICK AND TIRED OF ROBO CALLS.

Call Block, why the fuck doesn't it work?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:35 PM (FsuaD)

500 Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)

Watch it for free on
http://www.fox.com/lucifer/full-episodes

or not!
: -))

Posted by: Adriane the Past, Present, & probably Future SOS Critic ... at April 28, 2016 03:35 PM (AoK0a)

501 But...but...if I get the milk shake, then I HAVE to buy an awesome hamburger, which will kill my appetite to make dinner...

*sulks*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (FsuaD)

Hmmmm. This is a dilemma. Hmmmmm.

What's dinner?

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:36 PM (mf5HN)

502 So on one hand, chemjeff has not specifically said that I'm "acting white", so my summarizing his words as thatis a lie.

On the other hand, I have not specifically said I'm a "white supremacist", but chemjeff's summarizing my words as that is okay, seeing how he chooses to use it.

Why the double standard on the non-white guy, chemjeff? Don't be racist.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:36 PM (uURQL)

503 My current theory esp. after reading the above-

Is that everything that Cruz supporters say about Trump supporters,

is actually true about themselves.

And-

Everything that Trump supporters say about Cruz supporters,

is actually true about themselves.

You know, the way Obama supporters claim everyone opposing Obama is racist because the only reason they're supporting TFG is because he's black.

That'sa my theory and I'm sticking with it.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 28, 2016 03:36 PM (0cMkb)

504 488 "And Fenelon-an easy pistachio shake is pistachio pudding (3 oz box), 1
1/2 cups milk, 1-2 cups vanilla ice cream, blend and enjoy!!"

Ummmmmmmmm this pudding. It has previously been where again exactly?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (noWW6)

NOT A CUP!!!! Unless of course, you are really jonesing for a pistachio shake and an ewok hair laden pistachio pudding cup is all that is available. I warn you, it might taste a little gamy. But that might be a feature and not a bug...

Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (ezHMO)

505
What's dinner?

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:36 PM (mf5HN)

It's that carb-free crap the husband insists on every night after he ate himself sick on vacation.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (FsuaD)

506 jwest,

Its already news:

http://tinyurl.com/gqdu72v

But the Dems are sitting on the real stuff.

Tick tock. Donnie has to win the nom before it will come out.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (UBBWX)

507 487 " I bet the real serious groping accusations come out right after his nomination acceptance speech.

You heard it here first."

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX)

Like Trump groping Miss America contestants wouldn't have been news before.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 03:33 PM (Zs4uk)

++++

Legitimate accusations, yes. We would have heard of them by now. But, fabricated ones? They can be save for opportune moments.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (R+30W)

508 Thank you, x. I'll accept my payment for that correct prediction in either Gold Dubloons or Dogecoins.

Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (tWE9w)

509 Pulled from the morning thread 'cause some of you need to laugh

http://tinyurl.com/hno9mvv

Don't Ever Kiss This Girl in The Mouth Here is Why

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (/CXhS)

510 Man, I live in an area without Cookouts, devoid of Wegman's, bereft of Bisquitville, barren of Hate Shakes.

I live like a savage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (1xUj/)

511 "Of course you don't know the difference between a Cuban and a Mexican. Obviously."

Cruz has two grandparents from Spain who went to Cuba, on his father's side. His mother is 3/4 Irish, 1/4 Italian, and was born in DE.

Trying telling a real Mexican that Ted is a fellow Hispanic. Only the US government is that ignorant.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (r1fLd)

512 It's that carb-free crap the husband insists on every night after he ate himself sick on vacation.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (FsuaD)

Hamburgers are carb free.

Just.

Sayin'.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (mf5HN)

513 this just shows how Cruz "can't get along with people" to "make great deals."

- - -

Well, they're right.

Posted by: Community Organizer at April 28, 2016 03:29 PM (9VLhN)

Depends on the "people" and what is in the "deal" doesn't it? Which people would you have wanted Cruz to "get along with" in government and which "deals" were the great ones he past on?

Posted by: Mimzey at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (aRUb8)

514 Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:34 PM (FsuaD)

If I walk 6 miles at a brick 12 min/mile pace, I can walk off the 600 calories from that box of PIM's cookies I ate last night.

Good luck with the milkshake ... whatever you decide.

Posted by: Adriane the Past, Present, & probably Future SOS Critic ... at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (AoK0a)

515 What amazes me about this is a rational, professional person doesn't make statements like this in public.

My last boss was a bully, crass, crude and rude. Be that as it may, I never publicly maligned her....I just ticked off the hours until she finally retired.

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (oiNtH)

516 But - this shtick never works for Republicans.
Wimmenz who hate Trump already hate Cruz more, automatically, because
Christian patriarchy and banner of sex toys.

Posted by: @votermom at April 28, 2016 02:41 PM (nbrY/)

Liberal women... yah, they will hate Cruz. Conservative women... not so much. And the sex toy thing is a particularly stupid attack.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:39 PM (3JA/M)

517 >>Legitimate accusations, yes. We would have heard of them by now. But, fabricated ones? They can be save for opportune moments.

Maybe someone will accuse him of having 5 affairs.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2016 03:39 PM (/tuJf)

518 510-what is this Biscuitville? It sounds...intriguing.

Posted by: Moki at April 28, 2016 03:39 PM (ezHMO)

519 Was listening to the talk show host arguing Trumpsters over his international platform from the other day. Trumpsters prepare to tie yourself in knots trying to cover Trump's gaffes and his I was against it before I'm now for it but might be against it after the spindoctors decider what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2016 03:39 PM (8BJMp)

520 Re polls

take a look at the states the Republicans need to flip OH, VA, FL, NV. Trump was at 40%, Cruz less than 20%. How will Cruz turn these loses around?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 28, 2016 03:39 PM (B+Arn)

521 Man, I live in an area without Cookouts, devoid of Wegman's, bereft of Bisquitville, barren of Hate Shakes.

I live like a savage.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (1xUj/)

You do. It's terrible.

Here. Rest your head on my shoulder.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (mf5HN)

522 I think Graeter's ice cream is way better than Ben and Jerry's. Dunno about their commie status tho

Posted by: nckate at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (/ygaY)

523 Is it possible this is Boehner deliberately jumping on a grenade? It seems almost too perfect, especially considering he felt the need to say it in such a public forum.
He was f#cking joking. Read the link or my comment at #207 that quotes all of the pertinent parts and not just the part that Ace decided to emphasize. And the hidden truth in his joking (because there's always a grain of truth to a joke) is that he does dislike Cruz and that he's no friend of Trump's.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (jVvcc)

524 "Harun you're angry at Trump about holding a position he doesn't hold, and you won't click copy/paste that link I gave you to educate yourself."

I'm pro-choice, dude.

I'm angry at Trump because he's a weather vane, and wasted a chance to be better, and insults people, and will lose to Hillary.

If he wins, I'll see if I can be happy with him based on his actual actions: his words don't mean anything to me as he flips and flops.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (UBBWX)

525 Kari, Trump is all over the place on abortion. One day he's against it in all cases, including incest and rape, while other days he wants to keep funding the fine work of PP ("except for the abortions"), which is exactly what todays status quo is.

I'd like to see citations for what you think Trump's said and changed on.

Trump has said he thinks womans getting abortions should be punished, but I haven't seen him say anything about no exceptions, and recently affirmed the standard life/rape/incest ones. You may not like the exceptions, but it's not a flip-flop from what I've seen.

And he has said PP does good work that is not abortion, but that provides political means to lobby for not using public funds on abortion.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (uURQL)

526 Late as usual to this thread but what gets me is how everyone seemingly agrees that Ted Cruz is mean...and unlikable...dishonest....and.....I'm waiting for the media to brand him as icky for crying out loud and then everyone will start calling him icky. Because why? Because the American people (for the most part) have become a bunch of trained circus animals that do anything the media ringmasters tell them to do. Those same people that will call him mean and unlikable and icky would not be able to give you an example of why if their lives depended on it. This whole country is acting like it was back in fucking high school.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (t8gnY)

527 Of course you don't know the difference between a Cuban and a Mexican

Sure, a Cuban is that sandwich with pulled pork and a pickle, and Mexicans eat tacos.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (39g3+)

528 503 My current theory esp. after reading the above-

Is that everything that Cruz supporters say about Trump supporters,

is actually true about themselves.

And-

Everything that Trump supporters say about Cruz supporters,

is actually true about themselves.

You know, the way Obama supporters claim everyone opposing Obama is racist because the only reason they're supporting TFG is because he's black.

That'sa my theory and I'm sticking with it.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 28, 2016 03:36 PM (0cMkb)

- - - -

I have a similar theory. Basically, once you pick a candidate, or anything in life, it's very difficult to see the other viewpoint. You've made up your mind. Changing your opinion if said candidate turns out to be wrong might be one of the most difficult things to do.

I really believe that if Cruz had recited Trumps foreign policy speech, Cruz supporters would have lauded it as the best speech ever.

I also believe that if Trump had picked Fiorina, Trump supporters would have called it a brilliant move to unify the party.

Posted by: Community Organizer at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (9VLhN)

529 Well Boehner Lucifer comment ins the # 1 story in the media..... Real helpful for the Republican party over all and it doesn't help Trump either... Just shows how the party is in disarray.... Meanwhile Hillary! coasts to the nomination and most likely the Presidency...

Posted by: donna at April 28, 2016 03:41 PM (O2RFr)

530 Hamburgers are carb free.

Just.

Sayin'.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (mf5HN)

Bacon too... mmmmm, tasty bacon.
(I did not actually check to see if bacon is carb free. It is just so delicious, we should be able to eat it copiously and with dietary impunity).

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:41 PM (3JA/M)

531 MTF, you assert these things but you can't back them up. The Big Abortion Fiasco that everyone references when they say "omg he's all over the place!" was him responding to a gotcha hypothetical from Chris Matthews. His only actual statement as regards what he'd do as president is that he wouldn't tackle abortion. Is that not a good answer?

MTF, how do you know he doesn't know and doesn't care what his policy positions are? Do YOU know what they are?
http://bit.ly/20ZBoth

He said in an interview "my sister would make a great supreme court justice" but he has never said he'd nominate her. He speaks off the cuff but to act like she'd be his go-to is ludicrous. He's on record as naming two sitting US judges with spotless conservative pedigrees as people he'd name to SCOTUS. Can you name them?

Criticism of Trump has taken on a life of its own. It exists in its own world, where it only has to conform with your idea of what Trump believes, which is... whatever you think it is.

And there's no need to actually check your own facts, because that would be demeaning, to actually check and see what this unserious, vulgar, unqualified man actually thinks.

FLAMING CLOWN BONER! LOL!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:41 PM (xuouz)

532 518 510-what is this Biscuitville? It sounds...intriguing.

-----

Bville sucks, don't worry about it.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 28, 2016 03:41 PM (B+Arn)

533 "And the hidden truth in his joking (because there's always a grain of truth to a joke) is that he does dislike Cruz and that he's no friend of Trump's."

Funny, its always a hidden truth that Trump's establishment buddies of both parties, the people he gives money, too, always don't matter.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:41 PM (UBBWX)

534 Bacon too... mmmmm, tasty bacon.
(I did not actually check to see if bacon is carb free. It is just so delicious, we should be able to eat it copiously and with dietary impunity).
Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:41 PM (3JA/M)

I dunno but I'm pretty sure bacon is vegan.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (mf5HN)

535 Legitimate accusations, yes. We would have heard of them by now. But, fabricated ones? They can be save for opportune moments.

Then it wouldn't matter if you ran Jesus Christ Himself.

"Jesus walks on water. Can't swim!"

Posted by: rickb223 at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (WavOX)

536 Sitting here watching this Fox 45 standoff unfold.

Robot is undressing individual who claims to have a bomb, and has been shot.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (ptqRm)

537 Reactoinary Monster at 414: "Since when did free trade become more important than a nation's people?"

Talk about your false dichotomies. You might as well have typed: Since when was a vibrant economy more important than a nation's people?

The global economy is not a zero-sum game, where we have to begrudge the Bangladeshi with a new job making shoes for Nike. Of all the bad ideas piled into the Trump bandwagon, this back-assward protectionist shit is the worst and most dangerous.

If you were right about free trade being a detriment, either to the world in general or to us specifically, then why is the US economy still in decent shape, despite 8 years of disastrous policies from President Shit-Fingered-Midas? Or do you suppose, if we were forced to purchase sneakers made in Illinois instead of Bangladesh, that we'd have 5% GDP growth throughout Obama's presidency?

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump supporters put forward the idea of banning industrial machinery, so that manufacturers would be forced to hire 10 times as many people to cobble things out by hand.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (LqrRo)

538
As a reluctant Trump supporter I would hate if he chose Carly Fiorina. She sucks. I'd rather Trump clone himself for the ticket.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (T0BVJ)

539 "He's on record as naming two sitting US judges with spotless conservative pedigrees as people he'd name to SCOTUS."

He's on record as planning to "take their oil", too.

Feel free to explain that one.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (UBBWX)

540 "Getting caught up in those cuck labels again. Just because their age puts them in the 'working class' doesn't mean that they're actually working. Bernie support is concentrated among the verbally agile with YUGE student loans."

Flat out wrong. The parking lot of my office is full of Bernie bumperstickers right now. The demographics of his supporters are easy to find.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (03TIh)

541 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (/CXhS)

This is awesome.

Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (R5HRU)

542 O.K. You forced me ;^)-"Guitar meltdown" by Comedian Tim Hawkins. Well, at least it's amusing and it's five minutes of not watching the Trump/Cruz slamfest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yK6S6qjj4A

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (w4NZ8)

543 Would you like another bullet to shoot yourself in the foot with?

YOU are the one who applied the pejorative label, not me. You ASSUMED I meant it pejoratively when I did not. I frankly don't care what race you identify with, if any. I don't think and never have thought it to be a pejorative label. You assumed incorrectly and lied about my position and you refuse to come clean about it. I came clean about when I stretched the truth but you aren't a big enough man to do the same.

And the whole rest of your screed is just more of you talking about me personally. Fine you think I'm a liar. I really don't give a shit anymore. Maybe at some point you can start talking about why you think there is something racial about political views, why evidently according to you blacks and Latinos are incapable of being conservative due somehow to being nonwhite - because you didn't say "British common law ideas will preserve conservatism", you said specifically White America - why you link to alt-right sites and you speak about being "realistic" about what "a nation's people" means, which is just faux-intellectual alt-right codewords for advocating for racial tribalism (or as you/they call it, "racial realism"). It's my hypothesis that all of your diatribes about me are just smokescreens to avoid talking about your own racist views because you know that might get you kicked off of Ace's site.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (dpnZC)

544 Sitting here watching this Fox 45 standoff unfold.

Robot is undressing individual who claims to have a bomb, and has been shot.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (ptqRm)

I read that as the robot was shot and was very very confused.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (mf5HN)

545 Found a recipe for orange creamsicle shake. Orange sherbet + vanilla ice cream + milk + vanilla.

Off to Publix go I!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (FsuaD)

546 512 It's that carb-free crap the husband insists on every night after he ate himself sick on vacation.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (FsuaD)

Hamburgers are carb free.

Just.

Sayin'.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (mf5HN)

++++

Bzzzz! Wrong. The meat is absolutely devoid of carbs, but the buns are a carb-o-rama. Plus the sugar sauce (catchup, etc.) - more carbs.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (R+30W)

547 A Cuban is a billionaire who buys sports teams for fun.

Re-run Howard Stern interview this morning, the guy is hilarious.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (1xUj/)

548
Robot is undressing individual who claims to have a bomb, and has been shot.

By robot you mean Cylon.

There are many. And they have a plan.

Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (T0BVJ)

549 Nood, Cruz /Kasich is over

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (8BJMp)

550 I'd say that puts Cruz up over Trump 1-0.

M-kay.

And Trump's up almost 400 delegates and 3 million primary votes.

Posted by: AllMediaIsCorrupt at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (r9tFS)

551 Funny how nothing is palatable when you are oversaturated.
Why, take political candidates, for instance. When it's all Trump Trump or Cruz Cruz Every. Damn. Meal. ... it's enough to make a guy want a nice Bernie Burger... or maybe not.

Posted by: kraken at April 28, 2016 03:45 PM (zuTLp)

552

Sitting here watching this Fox 45 standoff unfold.

Robot is undressing individual who claims to have a bomb, and has been shot.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (ptqRm)

are you sure this isn't Japanese porn?

Posted by: ThunderB at April 28, 2016 03:45 PM (zOTsN)

553 Pastafarian who do you read for economic news?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:45 PM (xuouz)

554 No, Margarita DeVille, I am not fortunate enough to know any Cubans. I live in Northwest Ohio, and they're probably few and far between here.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 28, 2016 03:45 PM (LqrRo)

555 Tick tock. Donnie has to win the nom before it will come out.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (UBBWX)

Unless the democrats have video tape of Trump raping a 12 year old girl, they won't bring up the subject.

Anything that has to do with men groping women is an invitation to replay the entire Clinton years. Trump will hammer this subject against Hillary anyway.

Posted by: jwest at April 28, 2016 03:45 PM (Zs4uk)

556 Kari:

Read this. Trump's flip-flops all in once place. I'm not talking about changes over months or years. I'm talking about changes over days or hours.

http://www.nbcnews.com /politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 03:45 PM (A6sW3)

557 Or how about, "Emus tango with the weasel ball"?

I would like to thank Anna Puma for originally posting this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yK6S6qjj4A

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2016 03:46 PM (w4NZ8)

558 What's dinner?

I just told Mom I'd make butter chicken - now I just have to find out how.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2016 03:46 PM (DL2i+)

559 Late as usual to this thread but what gets me is how
everyone seemingly agrees that Ted Cruz is mean...and
unlikable...dishonest....and.....I'm waiting for the media to brand him
as icky for crying out loud and then everyone will start calling him
icky. Because why? Because the American people (for the most part) have
become a bunch of trained circus animals that do anything the media
ringmasters tell them to do. Those same people that will call him mean
and unlikable and icky would not be able to give you an example of why
if their lives depended on it. This whole country is acting like it was
back in fucking high school.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (t8gnY)

Bowling for Soup is right. But plenty of people do not see Cruz as unlikable. And that lyin' Ted thing is just Trump's projection.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:46 PM (3JA/M)

560 Of course, all of this means nothing because according to Sen. Cruz there is no alliance with John Kasich, and it seems the last ditch "pissing-their-pants" movement to Draft Mattis never asked the general if he was interested.

So this all winds down to the voters in the primaries while people here sling their last loads of bitterness at the people that are closest to them for the unspeakable crime of having a different opinion.

Going to have to switch to the Summer General Campaign Stock soon.

Bitch towels, recrimination sauce, red whines, scandal sandals, itty-bitty-teeny-weeny-blamey-bikinis...all the usual.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 28, 2016 03:46 PM (hLRSq)

561 "I read that as the robot was shot and was very very confused. "

Well, that too.

Suspect on ground, shot, refuses to take hands out of pockets, claiming bomb, with detonator in hand hidden in pocket.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:47 PM (ptqRm)

562 541 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 28, 2016 03:37 PM (/CXhS)

This is awesome.

Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 28, 2016 03:43 PM (R5HRU)

Thanks

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 28, 2016 03:47 PM (/CXhS)

563 Now I must actually get back to work, in my absence RM, maybe you can tell us whether you would prefer black Thomas Sowell or white Mitch McConnell to be your champion of conservatism, after all, isn't Mitch a part of "white America"?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 03:47 PM (dpnZC)

564 I dunno but I'm pretty sure bacon is vegan.

Bacon is vegetables what have been et by a pig. It's biologically improved vegetables.

As to Biscuitville, I have never had the pleasure. I'm told it's a local NC chain that makes its own biscuits and puts pork products from locally grown swine between them.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 28, 2016 03:47 PM (1xUj/)

565 Adriane: I agree about McCain and Romney being RINOs, but it's not like a strongly conservative candidate was going to beat Historic First Black Dude. My assumption this cycle has been that we could probably win with either a milquetoast moderate squish or a conservative ideologue. The Cruz-Clinton H2H polling shows I might be wrong about point #2, but I think the Kasich polls show that I'm dead on about point #1.

Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 03:47 PM (tWE9w)

566 I think the point at which GOP candidates have to worry about what the press might say has long passed. We all know the press will lie, invent, distort, and say anything they want about a Republican no matter what. It doesn't even matter who they are or what they say.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 28, 2016 03:48 PM (39g3+)

567 take a look at the states the Republicans need to flip OH, VA, FL, NV. Trump was at 40%, Cruz less than 20%. How will Cruz turn these loses around?

Trump isn't running against Cruz in those states.

Of those 4 Trump probably takes NV and maybe OH. FL and VA he loses to Hillary.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 28, 2016 03:48 PM (03TIh)

568 Maybe Lucifer is a bit over the top....but the pic today of the Cruz duo coming out of an eatery in Indiana...

The Creosote family? Did they "have the lot?"

So these are our choices? A pottie mouth psycho, an out of shape Lucifer, or a guy whose nerdiness makes Dick Nixon look like the Fonz.

...or an addled Sixties Hippie, or a finalist in the worst person to have ever walked the earth competition.

Would Paul Ryan reconsider? Bueller? Anybody?

Posted by: Tattaglia in Miami at April 28, 2016 03:48 PM (zmZ2x)

569 Sitting here watching this Fox 45 standoff unfold.

Robot is undressing individual who claims to have a bomb, and has been shot.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (ptqRm)

Hopefully no one screwed up and put a sexbot to do the job. Very awkward.

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2016 03:49 PM (oiNtH)

570 I agree about McCain and Romney being RINOs, but it's not like a strongly conservative candidate was going to beat Historic First Black Dude.
-----------

No one was going to beat Obama in 2008 after the economy cratered. McCain actually had a modest lead... right before Lehman Bros went bust. It was all downhill from there.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 03:49 PM (26zxJ)

571 Oh yeh, dude also stuffed a rag into the opening of his vehicle gas fill, and set rag on fire.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:49 PM (ptqRm)

572 Funny, its always a hidden truth that Trump's establishment buddies of both parties, the people he gives money, too, always don't matter.
Then quote what Boner said that was a ringing endorsement of Trump. Go ahead.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 03:50 PM (jVvcc)

573 And Trump's up almost 400 delegates and 3 million primary votes.

Posted by: AllMediaIsCorrupt at April 28, 2016 03:44 PM (r9tFS)

The delegates matter... the votes don't. We don't choose candidates (or elect presidents) with a national election.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:50 PM (3JA/M)

574 If you were right about free trade being a detriment, either to the world in general or to us specifically, then why is the US economy still in decent shape, despite 8 years of disastrous policies from President Shit-Fingered-Midas? Or do you suppose, if we were forced to purchase sneakers made in Illinois instead of Bangladesh, that we'd have 5% GDP growth throughout Obama's presidency?

1. America's economy is on the brink, due to its trillions of dollars in government debt, not to mention all the funny money in the market.

2. See how American companies are moving overseas or replacing American workers with H1Bs? That's linked to free trade. Workers are a type of trade good.

What is optimal for a global economy does not necessarily translate into what is good for a nation. Americans have no duty to lose jobs so a Chinese person can be a factory worker instead of a farmer.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:50 PM (uURQL)

575 Because the American people (for the most part) have become a bunch of trained circus animals that do anything the media ringmasters tell them to do. Those same people that will call him mean and unlikable and icky would not be able to give you an example of why if their lives depended on it. This whole country is acting like it was back in fucking high school.
Posted by: LGoPs at April 28, 2016 03:40 PM (t8gnY)

This brings up something I've been thinking about for a while. For many years we've been hearing that the mainstream media has been losing power. The current political situation doesn't really show that though.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at April 28, 2016 03:50 PM (BDZWU)

576 Then quote what Boner said that was a ringing endorsement of Trump. Go ahead.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2016 03:50 PM (jVvcc)

No it really is not.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 28, 2016 03:51 PM (3JA/M)

577 One ray of hope though from boner....

Biden. Looking pretty good about now.

In a walk.

Posted by: Tattaglia in Miami at April 28, 2016 03:51 PM (zmZ2x)

578 maybe a live link would help

http://cbsloc.al/23agP9c

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:52 PM (ptqRm)

579 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Where is this happening?

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2016 03:52 PM (oiNtH)

580 nood craphole

Posted by: x at April 28, 2016 03:53 PM (nFwvY)

581 Boehner says he'd vote for Hillary over Cruz.

I guess that makes us even. I'd vote for Pelosi over Boehner.

Posted by: arik at April 28, 2016 03:54 PM (p9bOW)

582 "For many years we've been hearing that the mainstream media has been losing power. The current political situation doesn't really show that though."

I am also very troubled by this.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:54 PM (UBBWX)

583 511
Trying telling a real Mexican that Ted is a fellow Hispanic. Only the US government is that ignorant.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2016 03:38 PM (r1fLd)
------------------
He IS a fellow "Hispanic." But as you point out, only the US government thinks "Hispanic" is a race.

Mexicans indeed know the difference between a Mexican and a Cuban. They also know the difference between an Indian/ mestizo and a white man or a black man, whether they all happen to be "Hispanic" or not.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 28, 2016 03:55 PM (T/5A0)

584 Hi Cheri

Baltimore.

Fox affiliate station.

Which is right at the cluster of most of the major T stations in the area.

Plenty of coverage, as all the reporters just need to look out of their windows to see and report all this.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2016 03:55 PM (ptqRm)

585 Masturbatin Pete, I'm still in the middle of that list, but I want to point out two things:

On abortion, the first item listed, they say "criminalize women who have abortions" was a position Trump held. They then skirt around actually mentioning that the question was "if abortions were illegal, should women be punished for getting them?" The conclusion, that he wants to "ban abortions, but not punish women" is ALSO FALSE because he's said he doesn't want to change the law, and that any change should come from the states.

And on H1B visas, they list the confusion from the debate and his clarification before noting, and I copied and pasted this: "Current position - back where he started - against the H1-B visa program."

Meaning he uh, didn't change his position at all?

On the Muslim ban, they claim he's inconsistent on it: in reality it just looks to me like he opposes unvetted muslim "migrants" being brought here.

Look past NBC's rhetoric and while he's inconsistent with his verbiage, he's making perfectly cogent points. And the whole "secret" of his campaign is that he's making them to your average Joe. It's high time we had a candidate do this, in my opinion.

I'm not gonna fisk the whole thing. He needs to be less off the cuff on military and foreign policy issues. I happen to think yesterday's speech was a good start.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:56 PM (xuouz)

586 That illusion has been well and truly shattered by this primary cycle.

=====

Those principles were not enough, the GOP brand was dogshit - still is in many respects. Post-2012 I was resigned to the GOP not winning a Presidency again in my lifetime, and that may still be the case. We have been doubly lucky that both Hilary and Trump have occurred in the same election cycle.

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:57 PM (3ZtZW)

587 "1. America's economy is on the brink, due to its trillions of dollars in government debt, not to mention all the funny money in the market."

This has nothing to do with free trade.

"2. See how American companies are moving overseas or replacing American workers with H1Bs? That's linked to free trade. Workers are a type of trade good. "

Or we could try to lower our corporate income tax rate to Swedish levels. Naaaaaah, let's just start a trade war instead.

I don't think you know what's going to happen. You imagine China will just silently go back to being shut off from the world? You can go back to 1963 or some glory days?

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:57 PM (UBBWX)

588 See! there it is!

They honestly think blowhard used car salesman is not a big deal.

=====

You guys honestly think Creepy Televangelist is no big deal. STFW?

Posted by: Bigby's Pricking Thumbs at April 28, 2016 03:58 PM (3ZtZW)

589 YOU are the one who applied the pejorative label, not me. You ASSUMED I meant it pejoratively when I did not. I frankly don't care what race you identify with, if any. I don't think and never have thought it to be a pejorative label. You assumed incorrectly and lied about my position and you refuse to come clean about it.

Which is what I said - I summarized your position. You don't like the summary. That doesn't make my summary a lie.

chemjeff, it is pretty stupid to contradict what someone else believes about themselves, especially when they have demonstrated the ability to be intellectually consistent.

Stick truthfully and honestly to what is said, instead of twisting words to make other people into white supremacists or comparing them to racial fraudsters.

Or I can keep beating you like a pinata until you learn to respect the intellect of non-white guys. Don't be racist.

I came clean about when I stretched the truth but you aren't a big enough man to do the same.

You do not want people to dig into what you said when you came clean, chemjeff. I suggest not posturing here.

Also, say "I lied" instead of "I stretched the truth". Being honest with yourself is the first step.

... you said specifically White America

I said specifically "white" America. Lower case 'w', quotation marks.

Again, don't be a liar. Quit helpfully interpreting other people's words to paint them in the worst possible light.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:59 PM (uURQL)

590 The footsoldiers of global socialism that I
refer to are establishment democrats. That is our enemy. And if you
really think Trump is one of them you just haven't been paying attention
to him. I get that it's tough to do (he's irritating to listen to) but
he is simply. not. a. socialist. He is a walking repudiation of modern
leftism.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 03:31 PM (xuouz)

ISIS also repudiates leftist values*. Doesn't make them a better option than Hillary.
*If only the reverse were also true.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 28, 2016 03:59 PM (jCH/T)

591 Kari, what you're basically saying is that he needs his foreign policy speeches crafted for him because left to his own devices he doesn't really know what his policies would be. So I guess we're in agreement.

Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 04:01 PM (tWE9w)

592 Whoops, I actually did say "White" America. First word capitalization. My bad.

The point about quotation marks stands.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 04:01 PM (uURQL)

593 Kari, what you're basically saying is that he needs his foreign policy speeches crafted for him because left to his own devices he doesn't really know what his policies would be. So I guess we're in agreement.
Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 04:01 PM (tWE9w)

I'm saying he needs to write and read his foreign policy speeches and not just talk about them. That's what every other candidate does.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 04:03 PM (xuouz)

594 Kari, the Trump flip flops on abortion are becoming legend, I realize, because of their frequency and scale ("I'm very, very pro-choice" "I support partial birth abortion" all the way to "women who get abortions should be punished"), so I admit I don't have a lot of patience with this back and forth on the subject. But if you want to read some of his various flip flops over the years I am attaching a uick review below. It also includes a link to a Fox interview where he specifically says he'd appoint his sister to the court if she'd accept the job. So, read it if you wish. Or not.

http://tinyurl.com/jmrbq5n

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 04:04 PM (/m8T6)

595 Harun I won't speak for anyone else and I'm not defending anyone else, but my argument isn't that anyone knows what China is going to do or knows exactly what's going to happen. The argument is we need to stand up for ourselves and we won't see better outcomes if we don't.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 04:05 PM (xuouz)

596 Bigby: So we should jettison conservative principles and settle on American Idol style candidacies like the Left? Cool beans. What should our new party name be? I vote for the Mountain Dew Camacho Party.

Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 04:05 PM (tWE9w)

597 And yet the Trump people keep talking about how much the hate eGOP.

Posted by: Tom Terrific at April 28, 2016 04:06 PM (/R4ru)

598 @250 Soona
Something previously planted or brought in by birds,
bless their hearts? Either way that's a sign you have
just the right amount of sand in that earth.

Once they get going they'll send out more and more
runners each year. Sucks for the lawnmower or lack of.

That's got awesome sauce.

Posted by: micky at April 28, 2016 04:06 PM (o5vMc)

599 Read his speeches beforehand, sure. Discuss them with staffers, yeah. Maybe even give them a last minute edit or two. But not very many candidates write their own speeches. (In toto, anyway.)

Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 04:07 PM (tWE9w)

600 VIA - Thank you!

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2016 04:08 PM (oiNtH)

601 Kari, here's the thing:

No one but Trump has all these problems. No one else needs to clarify constantly. No one else starts out with a position that is either liberal or insane, and then needs to come back to conservatism or sanity. No one else needs his fans to explain what he really meant, or how two things that he said sound different, but who are you going to believe, me or your lyin' ears?

Well, actually... someone else clarifies all the time: Hillary Clinton. Trump and Clinton, peas in a pod.

The problem with Trump is that he doesn't think through positions. He says whatever pops into his head. Then when he realizes that what he just said is going to damage him with Republican primary voters, he says something else.

After he's elected, he doesn't need your vote anymore. He'll do the first thing that pops into his head, and he won't need to clarify or correct or modify. He'll just do the first thing, because he's got the job for four years and you can't do anything about it.

And here's where it gets worse: what's Trump's greatest strength? To hear him tell it, he makes great deals. Deals that benefit Donald J. Trump. He *always* gets the long end of the stick. He always leaves someone else holding the back. Someone else is always the sucker. Well, Trump is making a deal right now: he's promising you things in exchange for your vote. If history is any guide, he's going to get the long end of the stick again, and you're on the end that gets screwed.

Just think about that, okay? Think about how Trump always screws his deal partners. And you're his deal partner.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 04:08 PM (26zxJ)

602 Wish I had more time, but I only got through about half the comments and I gotta say...

It is incredible to see so many Trump supporters twisting themselves into absolute pretzels to excuse their man. Like battered wives. Truly stunning.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 28, 2016 04:12 PM (Lsu4e)

603 That's a pretty shitty panda suit that guy is wearing.

God, if you are going to try and blow up your car, threaten people that you are going to blow up their building, get SWAT on your ass, all while being on television......you'd think that you would dress more suitably for the occasion.

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2016 04:12 PM (oiNtH)

604 "1. America's economy is on the brink, due to its trillions of dollars in government debt, not to mention all the funny money in the market."

This has nothing to do with free trade.

When someone says America's economy is fine and this shows how great free trade is ... then it is appropriate for me to point out that the economy is not fine, and that their point is defeated because it contradicts the facts.

Try to keep up.

"2. See how American companies are moving overseas or replacing American workers with H1Bs? That's linked to free trade. Workers are a type of trade good. "

Or we could try to lower our corporate income tax rate to Swedish levels. Naaaaaah, let's just start a trade war instead.

I don't think you know what's going to happen. You imagine China will just silently go back to being shut off from the world? You can go back to 1963 or some glory days?
Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2016 03:57 PM (UBBWX)

China is putting tariffs and restrictions on American goods. American manufacturers are forced to expose their IP and businesses to access their market, which allows Chinese competitors to clone and undercut.

America's already in a trade war, and the free traders are the pacifists asking for unilateral disarmanent to be a gallant role model for the rest of the world.

It's not working.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 04:13 PM (uURQL)

605 What should our new party name be? I vote for the Mountain Dew Camacho Party.
---------------------------------------

That's pretty old school. The new thing is Party McPartyface, so maybe we should go with that.

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 04:13 PM (/m8T6)

606 Ted Cruz is not me! He is my apprentice the anti-christ! At least when he is not disciplining my tranny hookers.

Posted by: upset lucifer at April 28, 2016 04:15 PM (Vjz/j)

607 What I pointed out, Pete, was that that article misrepresents him and his positions consistently throughout, in multiple ways. That's at least half of his image problem. No one else needs their fans to explain their positions because no one else has a cottage industry built around defaming them. Because nobody else is worth talking about.

I'm not his deal partner, I'm his constituent. It's different. He claims he's going to secure the border, set better terms for trade, invigorate the economy, combat radical islam, and rebuild our military. I'm for all those things. I choose to believe him. And he has done everything I want my candidate to do. He's winning the nomination, he's unapologetically called his opponents out, he's anti-Obama and anti-Hillary, and he's pro-America.

Who are YOU going to believe? An NBC article and the words of those who have sworn enmity against the candidate? That's your source for a fair take? Or someone who actually reads his website, watches his speeches, and has been watching his PR strategy work to perfection in winning him the nomination?

At the end of the day we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 04:16 PM (xuouz)

608 I used to come here just to read the comments. Now, even that's gone south.

Posted by: Zombie Andrew Breitbart at April 28, 2016 04:17 PM (4YUWF)

609 79 So guys, here's what I do.

Imagine what a soros-funded true-believer socialist would look like if they really committed, daily, to an undercover role as a concern troll here on the HQ.

Then don't talk to that person.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 28, 2016 02:32 PM (xuouz)

Mary Cloggenstein is a valued member of the Moron Horde, I'll have you know. As long as she keeps providing free Val-u-rite to the hobos, at least.

Posted by: West at April 28, 2016 04:20 PM (1Rgee)

610 Arby's, in Clownifornia, sells a delicious orange creamsicle shake (and a fantastic Reuben on marble rye!)

Posted by: the Butcher at April 28, 2016 04:20 PM (AGJqR)

611 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 03:59 PM (uURQL)

Once again you refuse to discuss your own white supremacist views. You pulled the same crap last night. It's just endless YOU'RE A LIAR LIAR while avoiding all substantive questions and all discussion and ginning up feigned outrage and complaints.

I ask again for about the 100th time: Would you rather have black Thomas Sowell as a champion of conservatism, or white Mitch McConnell, you know, member in good standing of "White" America?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 04:22 PM (dpnZC)

612 Who am I going to believe? Not the opportunist blowhard who was a liberal for the large majority of his public life. You trust him because you're all in on the Trump Train. I think he's lying. Only one of us will end up being correct.

Posted by: broseidon on his magic glowing square at April 28, 2016 04:30 PM (tWE9w)

613 Here's a thought experiment.

To the Cruz (or "other") supporters: what one or two things could Trump do that would make you willing to support him?

To the Trump supporters: same question, substituting Cruz' name as appropriate.

I'll go first: Scalia's death is the worst thing to happen this past few months. If Trump agreed to put Cruz on the court (and McConnell, Grassly, McVain, Graham, Cornyn and the other devil worshipers in the Senate majority would agree to it) that would help me.

Extending the concept one step further, if Trump began to surround himself with people whose opinions on foreign affairs I understand and agree with, then I would take a lot of comfort in those facts too.

Right now, much of his staff seem like second or third rates and his policy statements are superficial and kind of nuts (like on tariffs and trade wars). More and better people would help me.

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 04:31 PM (/m8T6)

614 594
Kari, the Trump flip flops on abortion are becoming legend, I realize,
because of their frequency and scale ("I'm very, very pro-choice" "I
support partial birth abortion" all the way to "women who get abortions
should be punished"), so I admit I don't have a lot of patience with
this back and forth on the subject. But if you want to read some of his
various flip flops over the years I am attaching a uick review below.
It also includes a link to a Fox interview where he specifically says
he'd appoint his sister to the court if she'd accept the job. So, read
it if you wish. Or not.

http://tinyurl.com/jmrbq5n

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 04:04 PM (/m8T6)
I feel like calling them "flip-flops" gives trump too much credit. He never really held a fixed position to flip-flop from, he just says applause lines that he thinks will get the reaction he wants. There was never a coherent, underlying principal. Whatever crowd he's playing to at the moment is the one that gets to hear what they like. If he's talking to Republican primary voters, it's "build a wall!", when he's talking to NY Times editorial writers he's as pro-amnesty as Mark Zuckerberg. Anyone who thinks he isn't gonna tailor his message in the general election and during his candidacy to pander to his new audience isn't worth arguing with, they won't be phased by reality until November.And frankly, a Hillary presidency at least has the brightside that 1) I only have to wait 4 more years to vote for somebody I actually like, 2) she's fairly pro-Israel, which would be nice after 8 years of TFG, and 3) there's a small but very compelling possibility that she'll go to jail before her first term is up. Don't see any brightside to a Trump presidency.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 28, 2016 04:36 PM (jCH/T)

615 To the Cruz (or "other") supporters: what one or two things could Trump do that would make you willing to support him?

A stroke or plane crash oughta do it.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2016 04:40 PM (Kucy5)

616 Without a doubt this is my favorite presidential campaign season of the 14 I have followed.

I wish Cruz had run a better campaign though.

BTW, Boehner made some rough comments about Trump in the recent past. Then they had a meeting.
Perhaps Trump is right about his ability to make good deals.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 28, 2016 04:42 PM (hTqVx)

617 Look at all of the dyed in the wool conservatives who got along fine with Mr. Weepy.

Then look at Lucifer.

Posted by: Drider at April 28, 2016 04:42 PM (6Xbsz)

618 Posted by: Zombie Andrew Breitbart at April 28, 2016 04:17 PM (4YUWF)

What a shame to not have his input on all this.

RIP, AB.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 28, 2016 04:43 PM (hTqVx)

619 Once again you refuse to discuss your own white supremacist views. You pulled the same crap last night. It's just endless YOU'RE A LIAR LIAR while avoiding all substantive questions and all discussion and ginning up feigned outrage and complaints.

I ask again for about the 100th time: Would you rather have black Thomas Sowell as a champion of conservatism, or white Mitch McConnell, you know, member in good standing of "White" America?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 04:22 PM (dpnZC)

I'm not a white supremacist, you racist and stupid white guy.

And since I have it on good authority that racists are unpersons, your questions and ideas are irrelevant until you denounce your racism.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 04:43 PM (uURQL)

620 @15 Cruz doesn't remember when he was Boehner's lawyer? Unlikely.

Posted by: vinnymotto at April 28, 2016 04:46 PM (+0t2Z)

621 # 443 No, the groping VIDEOS come out after the nomination...

...and the Democrats and StatzMedia will be shocked, shocked...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2016 04:49 PM (Kucy5)

622 Boehner said he hates Cruz. He loves Kasich, and he has played golf and tweeted with Trump.

Anyone who sees that as an endorsement for Trump is seeing only what they want to see.

Posted by: vinnymotto at April 28, 2016 04:51 PM (+0t2Z)

623 It's passing strange that commenters on conservative sites don't realize that conservative and liberal net commenters are not in the mainstream of American politics and making generalizations based on their net comments is silly.

We are the 5%. The only people more radical won't even use a computer.

It's that same

Posted by: Meremortal at April 28, 2016 04:51 PM (hTqVx)

624 Oops.

...It's that same 20% in the indecisive middle that decide the election, not the fringes.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 28, 2016 04:52 PM (hTqVx)

625 Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 28, 2016 04:08 PM (26zxJ)

Great comment.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 28, 2016 04:53 PM (jCH/T)

626 yeah, of course. Couldn't possibly be that Boehner is trying to do a reverse psychology on anyone.

No of course not. They're not that smart are they?

Gee whiz folks, use your heads. Everything that is printed online or onscreen or on paper does not mean it's true or that the person who said it is being honest.

Good God what's happened to people's judgement.

Me I don't trust what any one person says. I look at their actions and what reasons they might have to lie and what they've said before and how they acted before.

And even then since we can't know or hear about everything I look to motivations. And do a little chess type thinking of waht move your enemies might make.

Sun Tzu said it's best to have your enemy thinking you're going to do something that you're not or that you are going to do something you're not.

It's called DISINFORMATION.

Been in use for thousands of years.

But of course John Boehner wouldn't lie to us, now would he?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 28, 2016 04:58 PM (Xo1Rt)

627 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 04:43 PM (uURQL)

There you go, more deflection and evasion. And you STILL haven't answered my question.

The only one around here who quotes alt-right sites approvingly and sees "White America" as the last best hope for defending conservatism is you, not me.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 05:02 PM (dpnZC)

628 Hilarious how so many who used to go on and on about how important conservatism was will now support a moderate Democrat in Trump. And a guy who sides with the PC SJW's in NC, lol. This is absolute insanity.

Posted by: Gyaos at April 28, 2016 05:12 PM (cxyn3)

629 The GOP candidate is going to be Trump. Drop the eff out of the race Cruz, you seflish prick. Stop attacking Trump, and start taking the fight to the real opponent, Crooked Hillary.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 28, 2016 05:19 PM (H7eLj)

630 "Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 28, 2016 04:58 PM (Xo1Rt) "

Boehner's words can't melt steel beams. Clearly this is the work of the Illuminati.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 28, 2016 05:23 PM (kumBu)

631 There you go, more deflection and evasion. And you STILL haven't answered my question.

The only one around here who quotes alt-right sites approvingly and sees "White America" as the last best hope for defending conservatism is you, not me.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 05:02 PM (dpnZC)

You don't deserve any answers because you're a dishonest racist. Stay honest and you'd have the answers you ask for.

Remember, this started when you said your white guy perception of my racial identitification was more correct than my own perception of my racial identity.

You act in bad faith, so there is no point in honoring your questions with answers you will twist and abuse.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 05:28 PM (uURQL)

632 Ace, I'm really loving your tears of desperation. One retired establishment hack who has a personal vendetta against Cruz doesn't change the fact that Cruz has gotten the bulk of the establishment support, including people far worse than Boehner (like the entire Bush clan).

Posted by: Johnny at April 28, 2016 05:31 PM (Ypf1L)

633 21 Trump craves approval and acclaim. How will he get that in DC if he somehow becomes POTUS? Not by doing what his supporters want but by doing what the hated establishment wants.
Posted by: Anachronism at April 28, 2016 02:25 PM (LOC7Q)

bingo!

Posted by: Shoey at April 28, 2016 05:31 PM (vA94g)

634 That seals up the Libertarian Satanist vote!

Seriously though, I had mused to a friend a couple of weeks ago that "Cruz is like the Dark Lord for Progressives. I want to vote for the fucking Dark Lord".

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:33 PM (lrUT2)

635 TextGate will finally accomplish what FieldsGate, MegynGate, and SmallHandsGate have failed to do - destroy the Trump train.

Only Cruz will save us now.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 02:26 PM (uURQL)

TrumpTrain=Gravy Train

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:36 PM (lrUT2)

636 I guess all ou Cruz-boyz don't know that Cruz was Boner's lawyer before. This nails down the Lying Ted moniker when Ted claims that he has never worked with Boner before.

Posted by: Dogbert at April 28, 2016 05:36 PM (5AWQl)

637 The GOP candidate is going to be Trump. Drop the eff out of the race Cruz, you seflish prick. Stop attacking Trump, and start taking the fight to the real opponent, Crooked Hillary.
Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 28, 2016 05:19 PM (H7eLj)

But he fights!

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:37 PM (lrUT2)

638 Did I say that Cruz was Boner's lawyer?

Posted by: Dogbert at April 28, 2016 05:38 PM (5AWQl)

639 Ted Cruz is taking this as far as he can. Deal with it.

Waiting until Trump does something retarded again.

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:39 PM (lrUT2)

640 Seriously? His lawyer? You mean, eighteen years ago when Cruz worked on a single legal matter and reported only to Boehner's staff? That lawyer?

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 05:40 PM (/m8T6)

641
But of course John Boehner wouldn't lie to us, now would he?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 28, 2016 04:58 PM (Xo1Rt)

Bwahaha. Pretzels...

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:42 PM (lrUT2)

642 626 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 28, 2016 04:58 PM (Xo1Rt)
------------------------------------------------

Boehner is way too simple to pull a double Syrian Jew. No way.

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 05:43 PM (/m8T6)

643 New poll out in Oregon is great news for trump

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The poll by the Portland-based Hoffman Research Group shows 43 percent support Trump. Twenty-six percent favor Cruz and 17 percent back John Kasich. It is the first public poll of the Republican presidential race in Oregon this year.
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Things will probably be solid after Indiana, but it's good to know that there are places were Trump can pile up more delegates.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at April 28, 2016 05:43 PM (0sLvz)

644 As a reluctant Trump supporter I would hate if he chose Carly Fiorina. She sucks. I'd rather Trump clone himself for the ticket.
Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 28, 2016 03:42 PM (T0BVJ)

Being able to see Ivanka more may warm me up to him...

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:48 PM (lrUT2)

645 I'd be happier if Ivanka was the Trump running for President, except that while her father switched his registration from Democrat to Republican didn't we just hear she hasn't?

Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 05:52 PM (/m8T6)

646 45 I'd be happier if Ivanka was the Trump running for President, except that while her father switched his registration from Democrat to Republican didn't we just hear she hasn't?
Posted by: MTF at April 28, 2016 05:52 PM (/m8T6)

Ummmm....she's really hot.

Posted by: West Town at April 28, 2016 05:57 PM (lrUT2)

647
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 05:28 PM (uURQL)
I don't believe you.
I think you are faking outrage so that you may avoid answering difficult questions.
It really isn't that hard. Why wouldn't you support a black Thomas Sowell over a white Mitch McConnell?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 06:46 PM (uAvJJ)

648 Remember, this started when you said your white guy perception of my
racial identitification was more correct than my own perception of my
racial identity.

This is a lie.

You are fucking lying about my beliefs.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 06:46 PM (uAvJJ)

649 And moreover, RM, you are a coward. You refuse to defend your own racist beliefs on their own merits, instead engaging in these stupid pointless rhetorical games. Be a man and defend your racism if you can instead of hiding behind your fake cries of outrage.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 06:49 PM (uAvJJ)

650 Ted Cruz, who can't win an election to save his life, has already picked his VP. Go figure.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 28, 2016 06:57 PM (H7eLj)

651 I think you are faking outrage so that you may avoid answering difficult questions.

You act in bad faith and are not worth answering. You lied to me repeatedly yesterday, and I had to repeatedly call you out just to get a snide retraction. Accepting that was a mistake. I will not repeat it.

And now you repeat the same performance and want me to ignore the history.

"Remember, this started when you said your white guy perception of my racial identitification was more correct than my own perception of my racial identity."

This is a lie.

You are fucking lying about my beliefs.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 06:46 PM (uAvJJ)

PS: I'm not white. Are you? -RM

You don't have to be white to be a white supremacist. You just have to identify as white. See: Rachel Dolezal, in reverse. -chemjeff

I told you I am not white. Besides being a statement of fact, this also means that I do not identify as white.

But that doesn't fit your game of "he's a white racist, SHUN HIM". So what do you do? "Maybe you secretly identify as a white guy and are a white supremacist despite not being white."

You are emotionally invested in me being a white supremacist. Bad. Faith.

And moreover, RM, you are a coward. You refuse to defend your own racist beliefs on their own merits, instead engaging in these stupid pointless rhetorical games. Be a man and defend your racism if you can instead of hiding behind your fake cries of outrage.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 06:49 PM (uAvJJ)

I don't exist for your amusement, white guy. Don't be racist.

Don't forget - this started because you asserted you have a better idea of what I believe and think than I do. After I had specifically denied it, you maintain your opinion that I secretly identify as white because you're a mindreader.

You can't simply disagree and tell people they're wrong. See, I'm too dumb to accurately say what's on my non-white mind. I need chemjeff to tell me what I actually believe and think, because he's a smart white guy.

That's racist, chemjeff. And you know what to do to racists.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 07:23 PM (uURQL)

652 "I'd say that puts Cruz up over Trump 1-0."

Far be it from me to interrupt a good old-fashioned self-righteous rant, but apparently Cruz was John Boehner's lawyer at one point.
(http://preview.tinyurl.com/h46ko3j)

Notable quotation: "Ted Cruz used to be my attorney a long time ago. A good guy. I don't always agree with him, but he's a good guy."

Posted by: shadowofashade at April 28, 2016 07:28 PM (fmjBk)

653
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 07:23 PM (uURQL)
I'm amused by your attempts to turn the tables on this, but I am not the one who said that "White America" was the savior of conservatism, and I am not the one who approvingly cites alt-right websites. Moreover, nowhere did I att

I told you I am not white. Besides being a statement of fact, this also means that I do not identify as white.
No it doesn't. You may identify however you wish, despite your skin color. There is such a thing as nonwhites who are white supremacists, you know. If that is you, then that is you. If you're not a white supremacist then I find it hard to square your statements about "White America" being the savior of conservatism. And nowhere did I ever claim to have the ability to read your mind.

And the fact of the matter is, you obsess about me and my statements and whether or not I am a "mindreader" (LOL) because YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT DEFEND YOUR RACIST BELIEFS. You avoid every single substantive question thrown your way at it and just instead attack me and play these rhetorical games. I've already outed you as an alt-right fanboi who views society in explicitly racial terms, I think that is enough for everyone else to see who you really are, and that when pressed to defend your beliefs you just deflect, attack the messenger, and otherwise cowardly run away from the substantive discussion at hand.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2016 07:40 PM (uAvJJ)

654 #650 Ted Cruz has already won one more election than Donald Trump... and won a lot more court cases.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2016 07:46 PM (Kucy5)

655 If you're not a white supremacist then I find it hard to square your statements about "White America" being the savior of conservatism. And nowhere did I ever claim to have the ability to read your mind.

So once again, when I tell you what I believe, you refuse to believe it, and then conclude I must believe whatever stupid things you think I ought to believe, because the only way things make sense to you is if you can categorize me as a white supremacist.

Raaaaacist.

I told you I am not white. Besides being a statement of fact, this also means that I do not identify as white.
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No it doesn't. You may identify however you wish, despite your skin color.

Here comes chemjeff to whitesplain to me that I identify as white. "I am not white" is not enough for him - oh no, he has my true nature better pegged than I do, you see.

I've only lived with myself for decades - chemjeff has read a few of my posts the past few months and he simply knows.

And the fact of the matter is, you obsess about me and my statements and whether or not I am a "mindreader" (LOL) because YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT DEFEND YOUR RACIST BELIEFS.

Whitesplainin' racist calls me a racist. Don't care.

I'd be more concerned if you hadn't already destroyed your credibility yesterday as a liar. There's a very practical reason you should be honest in how you deal with other people's viewpoints, even if you believe you have the Right to Lie.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 28, 2016 08:18 PM (uURQL)

656 Trump/Boehner 2016 ///
How the Trumpeteers can still support him is unbelievable.
It's almost comical if it wasn't so sad.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2016 09:54 PM (7GQM/)

657 #656 I support him because I think he can beat Hillary. Cruz has no chance in a general election. He is not likeable, and appeals only to far-right social conservatives.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 28, 2016 10:14 PM (H7eLj)

658 Trump is THE ESTABLISHMENT... Mr. Big Government.
For all those people that wanted to burn it down... all I can do is shake my head in disgust.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2016 10:56 PM (7GQM/)

659 Ace is getting butthurt cause it looks like Trump is gonna get the nom.

And I will be here over, and over, and over, again, to rub his nose in it. Ban... puhleeze.

Can't stand conservatives I once respected who go full libtard and/or cuckservative.

Posted by: John Graham at April 28, 2016 11:19 PM (7ZFl4)

660 Damn, this site has imploded big time. Aside from the handful of brave souls who don't give a shit if they get banned by a closet #NeverTrumper like Ace, this place has become an echo chamber.

I think Ace was always #NeverTrump, but pretended to be "Trump curious" early on to placate a lot of his readers. Ace's trajectory just makes no sense. You don't go from Trump curious to rabid Trump hater who will vote Hillary. He really ran his blog into a ditch here.

Ace is way more Establishment than he lets on. The big con that Trump has fully exposed is how duplicitous Conservative Media has been for years. What a fraud. Basically, it seems that a bunch of bloggers and pundit-types think they have a handle on what a conservative is.

The really pathetic part of it all is that Ace destroyed this blog's credibility on Ted Cruz. Now every day is just one bad story after another revealing what a phony Cruz is and here Ace has painted himself into a corner shilling for him.

Of course, the content of this blog is matching many of the other phony conservative sites (HotAir, RedState, National Review) in tone and content. It's coordinated messaging. You can sense the conflict in Ace as he bangs out insincere post after insincere post. You could almost feel his angst as he tries to summon vitriol against Trump, but it's as if he's resigned to it. Pretty incredible to watch it unfold.

Posted by: Zodiac Killer at April 29, 2016 12:09 AM (kwHPo)

661 Ewoks are poor judges of character.
Cruzers are bad losers.
Ewoks are bad losers.

All of these statements are true.

Posted by: Ti at April 29, 2016 12:16 AM (nIGPZ)

662 Why, exactly, do you Trump people think the rest of us should support him, other than that you like him and you're so awesome, and everyone else is cuckservatives and libtards? Why should I expect someone who can't articulate a conservative ideology to advance a conservative ideology? Why should I expect someone to push back the social justice warriors when he completely has their backs when it comes to North Carolina's bathroom policies.Why should I expect someone to be a hawk on immigration when they've repeatedly voiced support for touchback amnesty? http://tinyurl.com/pj4vnro
http://tinyurl.com/ndt68ek

Why should I ignore personal qualities in Trump, which when I as a 6th grader observed them manifested (to a much more modest extent) in Bill Clinton, sparked my interest in conservative thought? Why should I tolerate personal behavior in a presidential candidate that neither you nor I would tolerate from our kids? Why should I support a political candidate, any political candidate, who obviously holds unsupported beliefs in 9/11 conspiracy theories and anti-vaccination conspiracy theories, ever under any circumstances? Why should I support a draft dodger who seems to think he is tougher and braver than veterans who have served? Under what conception of conservatism do any of these things make sense? And how can conservatism even take root in a culture where a sense of shame is not major regulating principal of our behavior and moral reasoning? What, beside recognizing through some unlikely epiphany that I'm being a cuck libtard who just doesn't get it, would make this an idea worth my entertaining in your mind? And since we're mostly all strangers on the internet, why should I be assuming you're motivated by conservative principals, rather than cult of personality? I never seem to see an articulation of ideology couched between the "cuckservative" and "Lyin' Ted" ad hominem.

Assuming the conservative coalition isn't already too small to win a presidential election in this country anymore (a big "if", but one I would have liked to see tested before gambling on a longshot like Trump), we've probably already torpedoed Republican chances in the general election in 2016. A big chunk of either of our respective camps will likely sit out the election or vote against each other. In the mean time, Obama's approval ratings have been steadily rising as Trump keeps him out of the news cycle, and the general public, according to opinion polls, is increasingly souring on stricter immigration laws throughout it all. So, I guess we'll probably just have to weather your blaming us if your dreamboat loses in the general election, or angry "told you so"'s if the RNC decides to give the nomination to a candidate who is more likely to be able to name the three branches of government when questioned, and they lose the general. If we're lucky, the social justice warriors will spend the next decade making the case for conservatism for us, and we'll win over enough fresh minds to win elections without appeasing the Reality TV coalition of the Republican party. Is that too much to hope for?

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 03:05 AM (xf3KI)

663 Not sure what Trump supporters are picturing when they imagine a Trump presidency, but one gets the impression that it's both super transformational and crazy-awesome in their minds. But it's not like there isn't precedent for Trump-like world leaders that we could use as examples. There's Huey Long from Louisiana, Berlusconi in Italy, Putin to some extent. Latin American history is full of them, like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, Ortega in Nicaragua, or Noriega in Panama. None of them ever made any place great again.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 03:30 AM (xf3KI)

664
So once again, when I tell you what I believe,

which is, ""White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.
"

you refuse to believe
it,

Oh no, I take your statements at face value.

and then conclude I must believe whatever stupid things you think I
ought to believe,

such as, ""White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.
"

because the only way things make sense to you is if
you can categorize me as a white supremacist.

That is the only fair reading of the phrase ""White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.
"

Here comes chemjeff to whitesplain to me that I identify as white. "I
am not white" is not enough for him - oh no, he has my true nature
better pegged than I do, you see.

For the millionth time: skin color does not determine with whom you choose to identify. As an alt-righter, you of all people should know this. So constantly bringing up that you are not white doesn't change one iota of with whom you choose to identify. You don't identify as white? That's fine, but it's kinda weird for a nonwhite person to say things like ""White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.
" if you don't already have some strong affinity for "White America". You lie and twist my words in order to turn the tables in some pathetic attempt to avoid any real discussion of the issues that you actually hold. You just attack me so that you can avoid answering straightforward questions, such as, would you rather have black Thomas Sowell or white Mitch McConnell as the champion of conservatism? You haven't yet answered that question and you won't ever. And it isn't for some faux outrage reason like "you don't deserve an answer", that didn't stop you from engaging in a conversation with me later on on a different subject.

You obfuscate and lie because you don't want to out yourself as an alt-righter on this place where Ace has shown hostility to your tribe of fellow racists.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 07:47 AM (dpnZC)

665 So, does the fact that I support Cruz make me Establishment?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 29, 2016 01:13 PM (WlQGZ)

666 664

Put down the crack pipe and walk away son.

Posted by: john at April 29, 2016 10:32 PM (fDhyp)

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