Will ISIS in Iraq and Syria collapse? Possibly, But That Won't Be The End Of Their Savagery (CBD)

In an article in the Miami Herald, Daniel Pipes makes the seemingly bold prediction that ISIS in Syria and Iraq is on the verge of collapse.

I predict that the ISIS state in Syria and Iraq will collapse as fast as it arose. Indeed, I will go out on a limb and say I expect it to be gone by the end of 2016.
That the Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL or Daesh) will be gone is predictable -- all totalitarian states eventually disappear because of three main developments: Cadres become disillusioned, subject populations suffer and external enemies increase in number. All these problems afflicted, for example, the fascist states of World War II as well as the Soviet bloc.
ISIS will collapse quickly because it suffers from an extreme form of these problems.

Interestingly, he identifies internal problems with ISIS, not the tepid and timid Western military response, as most of the catalyst for its failure.

But let us take Winston Wolf's advice and realize that ISIS is merely an extension of militant Islam, which isn't going away anytime soon.

But if the ISIS state in Syria and Iraq is doomed, ISIS will live on in other ways. First is the successor state in Libya and perhaps also others in Nigeria, Somalia, Afghanistan, and beyond. Second is the very idea of the caliphate , a medieval concept of Muslim supremacism that has malign implications for modern life.
So, let us hasten to bring about and then celebrate the forthcoming demise of the Islamic State centered in Raqqa, Syria, without deluding ourselves that ISIS is entirely finished. To achieve that requires, unfortunately, defeating and marginalizing the entire Islamist movement. That too may happen, but is many years off.

If Pipes is correct, and ISIS is pushed out of Iraq and Syria, where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons? Many will be killed, or go home with their booty, but some will take that money and weaponry and continue the fight in other places, which means Europe today, and very possibly America tomorrow.

They have already demonstrated their reach into the heart of Western Europe. With their main area of operations lost, will they focus all of their attentions on Paris and London and Chicago and Miami and the other soft targets in the West?

With a porous border and an aggressively PC TSA and Department of Homeland Security, is irrational to assume that some of those terrorists will be coming to our shores, with images of unprotected malls and movie theaters and high school basketball games dancing in their 7th century minds?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:23 PM

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1 The Neverending Story.

Posted by: HH at April 22, 2016 02:20 PM (DrCtv)

2 Collapse quickly? That would be nice. I'm skeptical though.

Posted by: @votermom at April 22, 2016 02:22 PM (nbrY/)

3 Where will they go? Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, etc., etc..

There is no lack of failed states for Islamic terrorists to hide. All that changes is the name.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 22, 2016 02:22 PM (/tuJf)

4 I hear VagISIL has created a new smartphone controlled torture device.

It's called the iRaq.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 22, 2016 02:23 PM (CHRg6)

5
Bullshit, wishcasting.

What he's saying is Evil falls apart on its own and we need not worry our pretty little heads.

My prediction.

ISIS and going anywhere until somebody makes it go.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 22, 2016 02:24 PM (8XRCm)

6
I will go out on a limb and say I expect it to be gone by the end of 2016.

Just in time for Hillary to claim victory. Twice.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 02:24 PM (k4M/B)

7 If Pipes is correct, and ISIS is pushed out of Iraq and Syria, where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons?

France will offer them sanctuary. France loves to host islamic nutcases while they wait for a state to take over.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 02:24 PM (zc3Db)

8 Collapse? Like after being hurled across the room at a Trump Rally?

*sniff*sniff*

Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 22, 2016 02:24 PM (10hEu)

9 I'll have one of whatever Mr Pipes is drinking. My optimism level is not equal to his.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 22, 2016 02:24 PM (ByLlW)

10 ISIS and going anywhere....

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ISIS *aint* going anywhere.... sheesh

Posted by: fixerupper at April 22, 2016 02:25 PM (8XRCm)

11 We should predict peace in our time, obviously.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 22, 2016 02:25 PM (uURQL)

12 ISIS is just the 5th incarnation of Al Quaeda. It's just like France is in its 5th Republic, the only difference being that France doesn't change its name. Mostly, the French do that because of all the stationary they have sitting around. Al Quaeda, ISIS, etc. don't use stationary so they can change their name easily.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 02:25 PM (zc3Db)

13 Where will the ISIS leaders go?

My bet is on a White House reception.

Posted by: Furious George at April 22, 2016 02:26 PM (3GAnN)

14 Second is the very idea of the caliphate , a medieval concept of Muslim supremacism that has malign implications for modern life.

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By George, its almost as if islam has something to do with the motivations of these ISIS fellows.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 22, 2016 02:26 PM (OeQ/D)

15 The Islamic State is likely to be exterminated in Syria for the simple reason that Putin turned his hand to it, and Putin understands the importance in Muslim Arab culture of seeing through to completion such efforts once undertaken. "Strong horse."

Getting rid of the Islamic State in Iraq will not be anywhere nearly as easy, because the local government is deeply schismatic compared to that of Syria, greatly complicating the counterinsurgency push.

And in the case of Iraq, the external military assistance is not being provided by the sternly determined Vladimir Putin, but instead by Professor Ditherton Wiggleroom.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 02:26 PM (noWW6)

16 ISIS will fail,

The radical Islamic survivors will pick a new name, have some successes, recruit more radical Islamics. Maybe next time they overthrow KSA? Maybe it is Libya, Tunisia, and Algeria?

Rinse, Repeat

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 02:26 PM (v0YLX)

17 Winston Wolf as in, "Let's not start sucking each others D#@*s just yet gentlemen?" ?? Perfect. Part of the draw for the fighters was unlimited rape fests and a being on a winning team that was killing it's way across the region at little cost. Well that has changed and the poor lads are into the grind of war with little relief other than watching some hapless poor fuck sitting in a plastic chair get tossed off a roof. Time to pack it in.

Posted by: Mac at April 22, 2016 02:26 PM (fOoQ8)

18 Fight them now or fight them later.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 22, 2016 02:27 PM (xuouz)

19 So who will replace them?

Posted by: tu3031 at April 22, 2016 02:27 PM (8WyYX)

20 "I predict that the ISIS state in Syria and Iraq will collapse as fast as
it arose. Indeed, I will go out on a limb and say I expect it to be
gone by the end of 2016."

Cocaine's a helluva drug.

Posted by: zombie Rick James at April 22, 2016 02:27 PM (H9MG5)

21 I say lets keep transforming America with 100,000 a year more Third Worlders from the ME. Fertile bastards too. A few blown up malls is just collateral damage on the way to America's new, permanent majority of America haters.

Posted by: Some guy what ruined the country at April 22, 2016 02:27 PM (k8tEg)

22 Botched Airdrop Sends Humvees Plummeting To Their Doom

The last moments of the unlucky drops were caught on video, and the aftermath is brutal.

Posted by: unlawful attorney at April 22, 2016 02:28 PM (e8kgV)

23 >>>So who will replace them?

Posted by: tu3031 at April 22, 2016 02:27 PM (8WyYX)<<<

**shrugs**

Posted by: WillBeWillBe at April 22, 2016 02:28 PM (H9MG5)

24 Didn't AQ collapse too? ISIS will collapse and then come back and ISIS 2 Electric Boogalloo. It doesn't matter what they call themselves. There are millions and millions of muzzies out there who want to kill a lot of people, and what they're called doesn't matter.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 02:29 PM (0LHZx)

25 Botched Airdrop Sends Humvees Plummeting To Their Doom

For the life of me, I thought Humvees could fly.

Posted by: Arthur Carlson at April 22, 2016 02:29 PM (zc3Db)

26 ISIS will be uhhhh defeated as soon as we uhhhh resettle them into rural Montana uhhhh with my new HUD plan.

uhhhhh

Posted by: TFG at April 22, 2016 02:29 PM (10hEu)

27 "KSA? Maybe it is Libya, Tunisia, and Algeria?"

Yes, I'm sure the leaders with the real blood-lust will find somewhere else to chop off heads. Many of the grunts will lose interest and go back home to Europe and collect their welfare checks.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 02:29 PM (LA7Cm)

28 No, ISIS will not be gone by 2016.

Posted by: Lauren at April 22, 2016 02:30 PM (lzx+h)

29 That'll buff out.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 22, 2016 02:31 PM (m6oW5)

30 "Botched Airdrop Sends Humvees Plummeting To Their Doom "

I saw that. Make a hell of a dust cloud when they hit the ground.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 02:31 PM (LA7Cm)

31 Yeah, these groups never really go away, they just re-form as another entity.

Heck, just look at the Taliban, with whom Obama has now started partnering.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 22, 2016 02:31 PM (NOIQH)

32 ISIS will expand into Baghdad, as has been their stated goal since day one, and we will do nothing to stop them.

Posted by: Lauren at April 22, 2016 02:31 PM (lzx+h)

33 "By George, its almost as if islam has something to do with the motivations of these ISIS fellows."

Unpossible. Islam is a "great religion", a "religion of peace", whose pleasant pacifistic ecumenical message has been perverted by radicals who don't understand it.

After all, that's what George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama have been telling us for the last fifteen years.

Joined now by, of all people, the once sensible and clear-sighted Ralph Peters. Who wrote an _NY Post_ piece the other day that contained all of Bush and Obama's favorite exculpatory tropes about Islam.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)

34 "Botched Airdrop Sends Humvees Plummeting To Their Doom "

I suppose those were ISIL HumVees

Posted by: #BringBackOurHumVees at April 22, 2016 02:32 PM (e8kgV)

35 Yeah, these groups never really go away, they just re-form as another entity.

Like Crazy Eddie's Furniture Outlet.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at April 22, 2016 02:32 PM (evdj2)

36 If Pipes is correct, and ISIS is pushed out of Iraq and Syria, where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons?

Nigeria.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 22, 2016 02:32 PM (mf5HN)

37 Look, all rational people will agree that once I close down Gitmo and turn the base over to my good friend, Raul Castro, the terrorists who have misinterpreted the prophet mohommed will give up their arms are find a job.

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at April 22, 2016 02:32 PM (NOIQH)

38 " all totalitarian states eventually disappear because of three main developments: Cadres become disillusioned, subject population"

That's adorable

Posted by: North Korea at April 22, 2016 02:33 PM (lzx+h)

39 Don't laugh.

For that little while we were airborne we outperformed the F-35.

Posted by: air-dropped Humvees at April 22, 2016 02:34 PM (H9MG5)

40 Testing

Posted by: joncelli, putting that thought in your head at April 22, 2016 02:34 PM (RD7QR)

41 Don't matter none if isis collapses. There will always be mohamadan murder and mayhem. The olla wills it, and it gives him a woody.

Posted by: Eromero at April 22, 2016 02:34 PM (zLDYs)

42 5X5

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor of equal or greater value at April 22, 2016 02:34 PM (evdj2)

43 " the once sensible and clear-sighted Ralph Peters. Who wrote an _NY Post_ piece the other day "

It's almost like he was under pressure to write that one.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 02:35 PM (LA7Cm)

44 Historically watch the viciousness grow as they disband/reassemble.
But that said, I really disagree with Pipes. They are not defeated in any sense of the word and they aren't going anywhere. Totally concur with Wolf.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 22, 2016 02:35 PM (r65B3)

45 I have said for years now that this "push" to differentiate Al Quada, from ISIS, and from Yada Yada Yada was futile and a distraction. Yeah I get it that some sects may be Sunni and that Some are Shiite and that they sometimes kill and fight each other, but what they ALL have in common is that they are Islamic and hate the West and us and THAT is the defining factor.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:35 PM (Ozsfq)

46 Dry run. Local stories. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: Guy whut says whut Guys whut run dry runs at April 22, 2016 02:35 PM (ucB75)

47 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at April 22, 2016 02:35 PM (evdj2)

48 There is no lack of failed states for Islamic terrorists to hide. All that changes is the name.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 22, 2016 02:22 PM (/tuJf)

Like Sweden, Germany, England, and the United States.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 22, 2016 02:36 PM (xuouz)

49 *cough*

Yeah, we're sure things will calm down in the region after ISIS implodes

*giggle*

Posted by: Iran, now with billions of US dollars at April 22, 2016 02:36 PM (NOIQH)

50 They're not going anywhere. Oh, they might relocate physically but institutionally they've got money and organization and their core cadres got a taste of blood and liked it. So, maybe they move south and turn on the Saudis or maybe they turn north and turn on the Turks or maybe they turn west, and things get hairy. Whatever happens, though, the left will claim victory for Obama.

Posted by: joncelli, putting that thought in your head at April 22, 2016 02:36 PM (RD7QR)

51 Islam is a seventh century death cult. ISIS is just the current incarnation of the most radicaL of them.
Whatever they call themselves - 100 yrs ago, 10 yrs ago, five yrs ago, today, tomorrow - they will always be savages, and they will always be with us. Until and unless they are wiped off the face of the Earth.

Posted by: Chi at April 22, 2016 02:37 PM (Te2JU)

52 As long as Islam exists, there will be terrorism. The latter can exist without the former, but the former cannot exist without the latter.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 22, 2016 02:37 PM (AroJD)

53 I'll throw down the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect for this reporter. ISIS ain't going anywhere real soon.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 22, 2016 02:37 PM (AhyHb)

54 Well, in 2012 Al Qaeda was defeated and the Taliban was on the run, right?
So maybe when Barky leaves, the "reality"-crafters will tell us that he left with ISIS defeated.
Then we will have a "new" group that miraculously appears --- until it is "defeated" in time for the hag's re-election.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 02:38 PM (T/5A0)

55 There is no lack of failed states for Islamic terrorists to hide. All that changes is the name.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 22, 2016 02:22 PM (/tuJf)

they don't need failed States...They hide right out in the Open in States like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan just too name 2. And of course Iran

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:38 PM (Ozsfq)

56 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:35 PM (Ozsfq)

The sad thing is that we carefully avoid fanning the fires of their religious differences.

A powerful tool that we never use.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 02:38 PM (Zu3d9)

57 Back in the days of the mighty Red Army, the USSR's airborne forces used to airdrop their light armored vehicles, BTRs and what have you, by cargo parachute.

Except they did this _with the crews inside at the time_, instead of having the crew descending under their own canopies separately. It has to be admitted that this method saves time in getting the vehicle to shoot, move, and communicate.

Those Humvees coming free from their parachute rigging and plummeting to the ground must be a very discomfiting thing for Ivan's old paratroops to watch.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 02:38 PM (noWW6)

58 If Pipes is correct, and ISIS is pushed out of Iraq and Syria, where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons?

Yemen

Posted by: tu3031 at April 22, 2016 02:38 PM (8WyYX)

59 Didn't AQ collapse too?

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No, they're still around. And Boko Haram, Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, the Taliban, etc whatever the associated group in Asia was, plus all of the offshoots and minor copycats and militias.

The next iteration will come about when Sauron retrieves The Ring.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 02:39 PM (3ZtZW)

60 Brussels Airport suicide bomber identified as ISIS jailer in Syria
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So maybe out of Iraq and Syria...

and into Europe

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 22, 2016 02:39 PM (/D5Lf)

61 The Muslim Brotherhood set up shop in Egypt. They had some luck, they killed Sadat. Boom,boom, they scatter, they meet A rich Saudi playboy, set up AlQaeda. They have lots of successes, finally kill too many Americans IN AMERICA, and we go after them, kill most of them, put many in prisons. President Dipshit and the Iraqi Shia Criminals gain power in the US and Iraq. The surviving AlQaeda form a few different organizations, and finally the real loonies form ISIS.

ISIS steps into the vacuum of Syria and has some success. They have a lot more succcess in Sunni Iraq because we left and the Shia were playing Jim Crow with the Sunni as the designated victims.

Next they get a foothold in Yemen, our Presidents "Terrorist Success Story!" Then Hillary and Dipshit hand them a destabilized Libya, Mali, and maybe Tunisia.

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 02:39 PM (v0YLX)

62 how will the ISIS foot soldiers become disillusioned? They were not promised wealth and estates. They were promised blood and rape. Even the poorest, most incompetent band of savages can deliver on that promise.

Posted by: wooga at April 22, 2016 02:40 PM (HS2bd)

63 See you wingnuts. Iraq will be one of Barak's greatest achievements.

Anybody up for a swim?

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 22, 2016 02:40 PM (AhyHb)

64 I'd also bet that with their savvy social media presence, their world-wide jihadi outreach will keep going for decades to come.

So they may not be a yuuuge force in Iraq, but they'll be recruiting, educating, and inspring all those potential jihadis (you know, Muslims in every dang country) to keep stirring up death and destruction like good lil' "lone wolves" do.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 22, 2016 02:40 PM (NOIQH)

65 Threats from the arab/persian/muslim world:

- shiite groups are just arms of Iran

- sunni groups are just arms of saudi arabia

- secular arab groups threatening the West arise wherever there are no shiite or sunni groups in the arab world

All of these threats from the APM world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields, which is where all their power (political, financial, military, etc) derives from. until control of the gulf fields is retaken from the arabs and persians these threats will not stop and will only get worse.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 02:40 PM (zc3Db)

66 If Pipes is correct, and ISIS is pushed out of Iraq and Syria, where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons?

they don't have to go anywhere for the most part...they just fade back into the power structures of Syria and Iraq.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:40 PM (Ozsfq)

67 Great article. I have a Physics degree, and from what I can see Ace, you did a very good job of accurately synthesizing and summarizing the physics and the controversy around this technology.

And yet... it does make you wonder: if every journalist put the basic efforts in that you just did, wouldn't that entirely eliminate the "Gell-Mann effect"? Why is it so hard for journalists to.... work?

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at April 22, 2016 02:40 PM (PFqsk)

68 Iran remains the focus of evil in the Middle East. Until we do something with that festering sore, not much will improve.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 22, 2016 02:41 PM (evdj2)

69 Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 22, 2016 02:37 PM (AhyHb)

No....Pipes is extraordinarily knowledgeable. He is no hack journalist.

He has devoted his life to the study of Islam and ME history.

I too am skeptical of his claim, but he is worth a read or two and deserves to be taken seriously.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 02:41 PM (Zu3d9)

70 >>>51
Posted by: Chi at April 22, 2016 02:37 PM (Te2JU)

______

What do you suggest? An actual wiping?

I'm serious. What do we do?

B/c the west doesn't have the stomach for what you are suggesting. What do we do?

Posted by: TeamRawDog at April 22, 2016 02:41 PM (10hEu)

71 Well, they will lose their major ally on Jan. 20.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 22, 2016 02:41 PM (WIuvp)

72 re: 67
Posted on wrong thread...

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at April 22, 2016 02:42 PM (PFqsk)

73 >>I have said for years now that this "push" to differentiate Al Quada, from ISIS, and from Yada Yada Yada was futile and a distraction. Yeah I get it that some sects may be Sunni and that Some are Shiite and that they sometimes kill and fight each other, but what they ALL have in common is that they are Islamic and hate the West and us and THAT is the defining factor.

I sort of agree but there has been a clear distinction amongst Islamic groups until recently.

The Muslim Brotherhood was always more focused on attacking their own governments which they believed were corrupt and replacing them with Islamic based governments. Groups like al Qaeda were always more externally oriented, thus the multiple strikes on the WTT and other external targets.

ISIS is kind of a hybrid in that it goes after both. This could be their downfall if we ever get serious about taking them out because they are already showing signs of being stretched too thin.

But some splinter will spring up and replace them. There is no lack of these crazed Islamic alphabet groups and they are only going away when the world has had enough.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 22, 2016 02:43 PM (/tuJf)

74 Watch KSA. The low oil prices are causing lots of stress in the Gulf States.

THe Saudi forces cannot beat the Yemeni Shia or the Yemeni AQ/ ISIS/ Sunni fanatics. Add in a interfamily fight with King Salman wanting to change the Saudi line of succession and too many young, useless Saudi citizens.

KSA Might be the next to fall.

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 02:45 PM (v0YLX)

75 Collapse- there's a code for that, but it depends on whether you are the collapser or the collapsee.

ICDM-10 R55 - Syncope and collapse

ICDM-10 W20.1XXA - struck by object secondary to collapse of a building, initial encounter

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 22, 2016 02:46 PM (NeFrd)

76 What do you suggest? An actual wiping?

I'm serious. What do we do?

B/c the west doesn't have the stomach for what you are suggesting. What do we do?
Posted by: TeamRawDog
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How about a game of Thermonuclear War?

Posted by: Chi at April 22, 2016 02:46 PM (Te2JU)

77 See !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Presdent Obama's plan is working unlike Bush who lied for 10 years and was clueless. We are proud of our Presdent of Colora, so proud and hopes he can accomplish even more good stuff before she leaves office next July. We love you and pray for you and your wisdom every doy...

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 22, 2016 02:46 PM (KRuzk)

78 I have said for years now that this "push" to differentiate Al Quada, from ISIS, and from Yada Yada Yada was futile and a distraction. Yeah I get it that some sects may be Sunni and that Some are Shiite and that they sometimes kill and fight each other, but what they ALL have in common is that they are Islamic and hate the West and us and THAT is the defining factor.

I sort of agree but there has been a clear distinction amongst Islamic groups until recently.

The Muslim Brotherhood was always more focused on attacking their own governments which they believed were corrupt and replacing them with Islamic based governments. Groups like al Qaeda were always more externally oriented, thus the multiple strikes on the WTT and other external targets.

ISIS is kind of a hybrid in that it goes after both. This could be their downfall if we ever get serious about taking them out because they are already showing signs of being stretched too thin.

But some splinter will spring up and replace them. There is no lack of these crazed Islamic alphabet groups and they are only going away when the world has had enough.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 22, 2016 02:43 PM (/tuJf)

I was not trying to say they are all alike or that they each don't have some specific aims they focus on, but the bottom line, after all their individual demands, the root cause of their craziness is Islam and not matter what else they hate, they ALL hate the West and want to kill us. And Islam is our Enemy. You and I are basically on the same page.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:47 PM (Ozsfq)

79 Update: Another body found in Polk County at a 4th location. 8 Dead so far.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 22, 2016 02:49 PM (/D5Lf)

80 They also seem to have a tendency to murder their tax base which is fairly non intelligent way of going about your business if you're an Overlord.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 22, 2016 02:49 PM (lY6OQ)

81
ISIS Executes At Least 250 Women For Refusing ‘Temporary Marriage’ In Iraq’s Mosul

http://tinyurl.com/juu9w6v

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 02:50 PM (k4M/B)

82 Sorry. Pike County

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 22, 2016 02:50 PM (/D5Lf)

83 Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 02:39 PM (v0YLX)

I regard the ME as like a seedy motel, the kind with all the doors opening to a parking lot. Within the various rooms are horrors you don't even want to contemplate.

Now, that's actually tolerable as long as all that horrible shit doesn't go on full display for the rest of the town. We don't want them burning themselves down or bloodcurdling screams at 3am, or hookers and drug dealers and murderers hanging around the street out front, nor innocents dragged in those shithole rooms.

So either you pressure the Manager to knock heads or you get informants and thugs to keep the peace or you burn it all down.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 02:50 PM (3ZtZW)

84 Sorry. Pike County
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 22, 2016 02:50 PM (/D5Lf)

what kind of killing were these? Family crap? Drugs? Sex? White? Black? Legals? Illegals? Any word?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:52 PM (Ozsfq)

85 If Pipes is correct, and ISIS is pushed out of Iraq and Syria, where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons?

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Home. That's all.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 02:52 PM (3ZtZW)

86 where will its leaders go, with their cash and gold and weapons?

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Seems like a nice way to get rich for a mercenary group with the gumption to go after it.

Kelly's Heros II

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 22, 2016 02:53 PM (oGRue)

87 They also seem to have a tendency to murder their tax base which is fairly non intelligent way of going about your business if you're an Overlord.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 22, 2016 02:49 PM (lY6OQ)

They don't need taxes. They have oil fields.

This is not to say that they don't tax the people under them - tribute is a big thing for arabs and muzzies - but they don't need that money. Most arabs and persians produce jackshit. Those countries are total wastes. The only way they support themselves is through the oil money they get because we allowed them to seize the oil fields in the forced nationalization waves of the mid 20th century.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 02:53 PM (zc3Db)

88 *sniff*sniff*

Posted by: Michelle Fields

*****

There's even a code for you:

ICDM-10 Z89.22 - acquired absence of upper limb above the elbow. Disarticulation...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 22, 2016 02:54 PM (NeFrd)

89 what kind of killing were these? Family crap? Drugs? Sex? White? Black? Legals? Illegals? Any word?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2016 02:52 PM (Ozsfq)

Nothing yet. They don't even know if #8 is the shooter or if he/she is still on the loose.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 22, 2016 02:54 PM (/D5Lf)

90 >>"Botched Airdrop Sends Humvees Plummeting To Their Doom "

Now if we can arrange a drop of the Presidential Golf Cart with Barry in it...

Posted by: Aviator at April 22, 2016 02:54 PM (c7vUv)

91
The islamic state may collapse but the numerous terrorist cells will still be around. And they are in almost every country. They have said one of the Brussels suicide bombers was also a jailer for foreign ISIS captives. So, a guy who spent time sawing off the heads of foreign kidnap victims made it all the way to Brussels. smh

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 22, 2016 02:54 PM (iQIUe)

92 If they have gold, they're invincible!

Posted by: Ron Paul at April 22, 2016 02:55 PM (oGRue)

93 Up to eight people were dead and one suspect was 'probably loose" in Pike County, Ohio, on Friday after a family was killed 'execution-style' in three houses.
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'This is not an active shooter situation; however, no arrests have been made,' the office said in the release. 'The investigation is in its very early stages, and authorities are still investigating to determine a motive, identify the deceased and determine if the gunman is among the deceased individuals or on the loose.'

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 22, 2016 02:56 PM (/D5Lf)

94 80
They also seem to have a tendency to murder their tax base which is
fairly non intelligent way of going about your business if you're an
Overlord.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 22, 2016 02:49 PM (lY6OQ)
Why would they need a tax base when they had (or may still have) access to oil fields? Not to mention the billions they raided from hitting the central banks in that barren wasteland.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 22, 2016 02:57 PM (jxbfJ)

95 what kind of killing were these? Family crap? Drugs? Sex? White? Black? Legals? Illegals? Any word?

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True Detective Season 2 fanboys getting out of hand

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 02:57 PM (3ZtZW)

96 Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT

****

There's a code for you.

ICDM-10 Q00.0 Anencephaly, see also agenesis of the brain.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 22, 2016 02:57 PM (NeFrd)

97 True Detective Season 2 fanboys getting out of hand

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 02:57 PM (3ZtZW)

Is that worth watching? I liked the first season (though it did peter out at the end, a bit) but haven't tried the second, yet.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 02:58 PM (zc3Db)

98 Pike County is a county located in the Appalachian region of the U.S. state of Ohio. As of the 2010 census, the population was 28,709

sheesh

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:00 PM (3ZtZW)

99 Is that worth watching? I liked the first season (though it did peter out at the end, a bit) but haven't tried the second, yet.

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Its very different.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:01 PM (3ZtZW)

100 Now if we can arrange a drop of the Presidential Golf Cart with Barry in it...

Posted by: Aviator

*****

Yep, there's a code for that:

V86.69 Passenger of 'other' offroad motor vehicle injured in non-traffic accident.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 22, 2016 03:01 PM (NeFrd)

101 71 Well, they will lose their major ally on Jan. 20.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 22, 2016 02:41 PM (WIuvp)
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True, but Hillary's incompetence and venality will probably serve them just as well.
After all, she counts Libya as one of her great successes!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 03:01 PM (T/5A0)

102 >>There's even a code for you:

ICDM-10 Z89.22 - acquired absence of upper limb above the elbow. Disarticulation...
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon

How about F60.4 Histrionic personality disorder?

Posted by: Aviator at April 22, 2016 03:01 PM (c7vUv)

103 >>True, but Hillary's incompetence and venality will probably serve them just as well.
After all, she counts Libya as one of her great successes!

*ahem*

Posted by: Muslim Brotherhood-connected Huma Abedin at April 22, 2016 03:02 PM (NOIQH)

104
True Detective Season 2 fanboys getting out of hand

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 02:57 PM (3ZtZW)

Is that worth watching? I liked the first season (though it did peter out at the end, a bit) but haven't tried the second, yet.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 02:58 PM (zc3Db)

Season 2 is a serious disappointment. IIRC, you don't even get to see McAdams' tits.

The story is pretty standard TV cop drama, with none of the creepiness and literary pretensions of the first season.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 22, 2016 03:02 PM (MEFzG)

105 ISIS collapsed isn't going to stop Muzzies attacks.

Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 03:02 PM (Dpy/y)

106 I may have been thinking season 1 anyway - been awhile. Which was the Louisiana one?

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:03 PM (3ZtZW)

107 Afternoon, all.

Sorry for the O/T and this has probably been discussed (I've been out all day), but the headline and pic at Drudge is awesome.

Now, to read the content.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2016 03:03 PM (FsuaD)

108 If your name be ISIS, Obama put you in crisis.

If your middle name ain't DeGrasse, your science sucks ass.

Posted by: Neil DeFoisGrasse Tyson at April 22, 2016 03:03 PM (bYrA0)

109 But let us take Winston Wolf's advice and realize that ISIS is merely an extension of militant Islam, which isn't going away anytime soon-CBD

Without checking my history books (as I have forgotten) this shit has been going on since medieval times.

As a fledgling country (USA) had to deal with pirates, Libya's shore if I recall correctly. I remember the Palis gunning down Israeli athletes at the Olympics, Pan Am flight blowing up over Lockerbie, on and on and on and on.

Militant, extremist, strict adherence whatever you call it, Islam's goal is to conquer the world and make all of us Muzzies or kill us in the process.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 03:04 PM (voOPb)

110 Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:01 PM (3ZtZW)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 22, 2016 03:02 PM (MEFzG)

Thanks. I think I'll continue to pass.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 03:04 PM (zc3Db)

111 with images of unprotected malls and movie theaters and high school basketball games dancing in their 7th century minds?
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This has always amazed me. They go after the World Trade Center when a final four game or super bowl would hit people even harder. Or simultaneous explosions at Friday night football games across the country.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at April 22, 2016 03:04 PM (NrMU9)

112 RNC Rules Committee Won't Change Convention Rules (At Least for Now) http://is.gd/VF7LQC

Conspirators hardest hit.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 22, 2016 03:04 PM (evdj2)

113 I'm surprised Mary Cloggenstein isn't ashamed to show her face here after the NY primary.
Obviously she couldn't get enough of her fellow Vermonters to cross into NY to vote for Sanders like they did with NH.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 03:05 PM (T/5A0)

114 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 22, 2016 03:02 PM (MEFzG)

After Alexandra Daddario in the first season, was there any point to seeing McAdams' tits?

We had already seen perfection.

http://tinyurl.com/hhcybx3

Very NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 03:05 PM (Zu3d9)

115 Obummer will invite the loser ISIS to America as refugees.

Posted by: torabora at April 22, 2016 03:05 PM (xJxf4)

116 "until control of the gulf fields is retaken from the arabs and persians these threats will not stop and will only get worse."

If only there were some... _technological means_... whereby the economic and geopolitical importance of those fields could be sharply reduced.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 03:05 PM (noWW6)

117 After Alexandra Daddario in the first season, was there any point to seeing McAdams' tits?

We had already seen perfection.

http://tinyurl.com/hhcybx3

Very NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 03:05 PM (Zu3d9)

Hear, hear!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2016 03:05 PM (zc3Db)

118 So 2 teens killed, young children present, killer(s) likely at large, no motive.

That's the latest.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:06 PM (3ZtZW)

119 If ISIS collapses sooner rather than later, you will have hundreds if not thousands of ISIS foreign fighters and terrorists leaving to go spread death and destruction in their homelands.

Obama and Clinton will spike the political football, of course, but then blame the ensuing mayhem on George Bush.

And the MSM will gladly hold their water....

Posted by: MacGruber at April 22, 2016 03:06 PM (sWgE+)

120 One result to keep in mind.

After President Dipshit abandoned our allies in the Mideast, and made peace with the Iranians, the old order cannot be reimposed by a Normal US Foreign Policy. The smart foreign leaders now have proof that the US is a feckless ally. All it takes is a new US President and all the bets are off again.

Even if Cruz or Trump, or even JEB! Win in november, and restore the old alliances, what happens in 2020? 2024?

Obama II gets elected, and maybe this time Jordan gets overthrown? Or maybe the Egyptian coup is forcefully reversed and the Muslim Brotherhood stays in power?

What sane Mid Eastern Leader will trust the US anymore?

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 03:06 PM (v0YLX)

121 I want to thank Presdent Obona for being a loving Presdent of Colon unlike Bush whom stunk and lied to all Amerions of all colors except persons of no color.. Thank you Sir and we love you !!!!!

From the Loving people of Brattleboro, VT to our Presdent

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 22, 2016 03:07 PM (KRuzk)

122 If your middle name ain't DeGrasse, your science sucks ass.

******

Might have to get creative and code this as:

Y93.E3 - external causes of morbidity, activity, vacuuming.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 22, 2016 03:07 PM (NeFrd)

123 Indeed, I will go out on a limb and say I expect it to be gone by the end of 2016.

Inauguration Day, but close enough.

Posted by: t-bird at April 22, 2016 03:07 PM (F1ndw)

124 ISIS in Libya - one of the three factions struggling for primacy. UN/AQ/ISIS and MB sectionalism. Islamic radicalism like ISIS is an ever-morphing blob-beast.

Members are simply free agents looking to join the winning team.

Posted by: 13times at April 22, 2016 03:07 PM (WHVu+)

125 118 So 2 teens killed, young children present, killer(s) likely at large, no motive.

That's the latest.
Posted by: Bigby'

Children killed as well

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at April 22, 2016 03:07 PM (TD2/B)

126 >True, but Hillary's incompetence and venality will probably serve them just as well.

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What will President Clinton be charging for a speech?

Posted by: ISIS at April 22, 2016 03:08 PM (oGRue)

127 If ISIS comes to Chicago, they'll have plenty of recruits.

As to the Ohio murders, I heard on the radio that two of the victims were a five day-old infant and a six month-old

Wrap your minds around the type of scum that can murder little babies. That's ISIS-level evil.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2016 03:08 PM (FsuaD)

128 Nood

Posted by: Skip raising the bar of firsts at April 22, 2016 03:08 PM (Dpy/y)

129 What sane Mid Eastern Leader will trust the US anymore?

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 03:06 PM (v0YLX)

Think that question has been contemplated for some time. We abandoned the Kurds, right? Created the vacuum in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya that fostered the meteoric rise of ISIS.

Why stop at ME leaders? Hell, we just pissed on the Brits (again) today. Netanyahu has been pissed on so much by TFG he wears rain gear when he is near Obama or Kerry.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 22, 2016 03:10 PM (jxbfJ)

130
Children killed as well
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW

http://tinyurl.com/zxcclp5

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 03:10 PM (k4M/B)

131 Given the area, this might be related to meth. Although I'm sure it was just some gun that went on a rampage. Which is why we need to ban all the guns, guys.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:10 PM (3ZtZW)

132 127
If ISIS comes to Chicago, they'll have plenty of recruits.

As to the Ohio murders, I heard on the radio that two of the victims were a five day-old infant and a six month-old

Wrap your minds around the type of scum that can murder little babies. That's ISIS-level evil.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2016 03:08 PM (FsuaD)
If true, are they taking nominations to flip the switch on the electric chair?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 22, 2016 03:11 PM (jxbfJ)

133 Children killed as well

no I'm reading the children were spared, but the teens killed. It may be that some news agencies are saying the teens are kids, but what the cops are saying is "young young children" [toddlers maybe] survived. At least 2 of them.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at April 22, 2016 03:12 PM (3ZtZW)

134 109 But let us take Winston Wolf's advice and realize that ISIS is merely an extension of militant Islam, which isn't going away anytime soon-CBD

Without checking my history books (as I have forgotten) this shit has been going on since medieval times.

As a fledgling country (USA) had to deal with pirates, Libya's shore if I recall correctly. I remember the Palis gunning down Israeli athletes at the Olympics, Pan Am flight blowing up over Lockerbie, on and on and on and on.

Militant, extremist, strict adherence whatever you call it, Islam's goal is to conquer the world and make all of us Muzzies or kill us in the process.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 03:04 PM (voOPb)

The rise of Islam and its piracy in the 8th Century destroyed the Meditarranean trade, and caused a collapse of the Mediterranean cities and city-states.

Look at the actual words of the Koran. Many parts read like a caravan raiding bandit gangs How-To Manual. It is easy to apply that to a pirate gang too.

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2016 03:13 PM (v0YLX)

135 A Pike County victim's advocate said a five-day-old child and
six-month-old child were found alive in one of the homes. Leonard
Manley, whotold the Cincinnati Enquirer he is the father and
grandfather of some of the victims, saidthat two young children had
been taken to Adams County Regional Medical Center, but the hospital
would not confirm that.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 22, 2016 03:17 PM (jxbfJ)

136 I think we have to focus like a laser on the real problem, global warmi...er, global climate chang...er global climate disruption.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 22, 2016 03:22 PM (AhyHb)

137
Unprotected malls and theatres in Ny or California maybe, don't bring that crap to Georgia or Texas. the hardest target the islamists tried to hit in the US so far is an art show in Texas. The easiest have been government installations especially the military
After Chattanooga one of the sailors at our local recruiting center brought his personal weapon to the building in violation of the no weapons policy and promptly accidentally discharged it.
Isis has nothing to fear from the government but everything to fear from armed citizens properly trained, the intended victim is always the true first responder.

Posted by: harry at April 22, 2016 03:22 PM (7BNWT)

138 But North Korea is a horrible totalitarian state and it's been around a long time now, over 50 years. When will that collapse?

I really hope the writer is correct.

Posted by: Cory at April 22, 2016 03:23 PM (zPlZu)

139 Interestingly, he identifies internal problems with ISIS, not the tepid and timid Western military response, as most of the catalyst for its failure.

ISIS "downfall" seems to coincide with Russian carpet bombing of their occupied towns and the supply lines from Turkey.

Bombing the Turkish arms for oil road must have really stung because Erdogan and Obama complained loudly about the "moderate rebels" being smashed outside of Aleppo by the Russians

Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 03:59 PM (D9nRe)

140 111, dammit, you read the DARC red team paper too?

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 22, 2016 09:30 PM (Pwo5S)

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