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Roger Stone: I'll Release the Hotel Room Information of Any Delegate Who Tries to "Steal" Trump's Nomination From Him
Be a right shame if anyone wandered in off the street and punched you up, Bruv.
[Stone] was last heard promising demonstrations at the convention if Trump doesn't win the nomination which he calls "days of rage," a name he apparently borrowed from the 1969 protests organized by Bill Ayers's old radical outfit, the Weathermen. Trump himself predicted "riots" in Cleveland if he loses a floor fight despite winning the most delegates in the primaries and he’s repeatedly winked at violence against protesters at his rallies. All of that being so, can we not pretend like Stone isn't issuing a barely-veiled threat of harm to delegates here to try to intimidate them out of supporting their preferred candidate?No, we have to keep on pretending, I'm sure.
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Yay, new thread!
Posted by: HH at April 05, 2016 02:19 PM (DrCtv)
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I'll get the others
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 05, 2016 02:19 PM (kTF2Z)
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Winner of the fight between Trump, Cruz, and Kasich gets nominated.
Posted by: BacktoGA at April 05, 2016 02:21 PM (QUl0c)
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So much for my mission statement.
Posted by: AoSHQ Standards committee at April 05, 2016 02:21 PM (326rv)
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These tards are gonna get someone killed.
Posted by: SiliconeSister at April 05, 2016 02:21 PM (lZeSj)
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Everybody must get Stone.
Posted by: Bob B. Dylan at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (FkBIv)
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I just want to get to December so we can start talking, seriously, about secessions.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (TnP/y)
Posted by: Roy at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (fWLrt)
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Ace, I think you're letting your imagination get the better of you.
The room number information will be given out just for some prank wake-up calls and maybe a room service pizza delivery or two.
The room number information will be given out just for some prank wake-up calls and maybe a room service pizza delivery or two.
Posted by: Furious George at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (3GAnN)
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Probably best to avoid Cleveland when the convention is going on.
Posted by: HH at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (DrCtv)
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Have we as a nation, not just Trump, reached "Peak Follishness" yet or is there more?
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (aQQbl)
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Steel Cage Match for the nomination.
Posted by: brak at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (MJuTN)
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Guaranteed shit show.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (2hI4u)
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Eh. Anon had released in the pass and will probably again release that info.
Eh. Anon had released in the pass and will probably again release that info.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (iQIUe)
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Are we talking about noted cuck Roger Stone? The one who has advertised in swinger magazines for men to service his wife? That Roger Stone?
Posted by: Countrysquire at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (eEBON)
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WTF is Roger Stone?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (NsI03)
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Trump's modern-day brownshirts kick into gear. I can't take this in any way other than a direct fascist threat.
Posted by: Revenant at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (y64uP)
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Stop pretending what? Not sure what this thread is about except a guy named roger stone?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (V/InG)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (KUaJL)
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Winner of the fight between Trump, Cruz, and Kasich gets nominated.
Posted by: BacktoGA
I wager fifty quatloos on the oldcomer.
Winner of the fight between Trump, Cruz, and Kasich gets nominated.
Posted by: BacktoGA
I wager fifty quatloos on the oldcomer.
Posted by: Gamester of Triskelion at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (FkBIv)
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Roger Stone is that stupid magazine that defamed me.
Posted by: Haven Monahan at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (3GAnN)
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I never quite outgrew the days of rage.
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (TnP/y)
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We have enough problems with those Soros paid violent protestors who go to all of Trump's rallies trying to disrupt them.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 05, 2016 02:24 PM (vvmPQ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 02:24 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:24 PM (0IhFx)
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Ace, if you need more offal for commentary, check out Trump mouthpiece Scottie Hughes' tweet that we need to "build a wall"...to keep businesses in the country.
Full disclosure: I've known Scottie since pre-Tea Party days. I'm disappointed that she's gone full Branch Trumpidian.
Full disclosure: I've known Scottie since pre-Tea Party days. I'm disappointed that she's gone full Branch Trumpidian.
Posted by: Country Singer at April 05, 2016 02:24 PM (GUBah)
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Nothing like taking pride in your work.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 05, 2016 02:24 PM (Qvgg/)
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What in the hell is a bruv ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
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Minus: This sort of thuggery should have no place in American politics.
Mitigating: ...really, have you seen American politics prior to this year?
The people have been subject to this sort of crap for decades. It's time the political class reaped some of what they've been sowing for themselves.
Mitigating: ...really, have you seen American politics prior to this year?
The people have been subject to this sort of crap for decades. It's time the political class reaped some of what they've been sowing for themselves.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (9krrF)
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Rage makes the world go 'round. *hic*
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (vtcmf)
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Cleveland will be great! All the lefty loons will be causing trouble. The BLMs will be blocking traffic and attacking people trying to eat their waffles.
BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (iQIUe)
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The Guys Get Brown Shirts!
Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (TnP/y)
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Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow.
Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (1xUj/)
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A lot of us (myself included) had taken to bemoaning the fact that our side always plays fair when the left uses underhanded tactics to win.
Well, we this is the kind of thing the left does. Careful what you wish for, I guess.
Well, we this is the kind of thing the left does. Careful what you wish for, I guess.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (KUaJL)
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People making closed-door deals upset and threatened when address of said door is revealed.
Le shock?
God forbid delegates constituents know where to find them.
Wait, you mean, the party isn't making them available during the nomination process?
Ohhhhh.
Le shock?
God forbid delegates constituents know where to find them.
Wait, you mean, the party isn't making them available during the nomination process?
Ohhhhh.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (huFcq)
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There will be plenty of riots to go around in Cleveland. The Trump supporters bothering the delegates will be the least of the problems.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (mBYZv)
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I've been saying for years that our party has waged war on us and done very terrible things (ex: playing the race card on its base).
And now this guy is promising thug violence against delegates.
Great. I still don't believe that our party is somehow better than Trump. But this guy as shown himself to be as bad and to be spectacularly bad at campaigning at times.
And his principal attraction was that he was an outsider and supposedly smart and capable.
That's all gone to Hell.
And now this guy is promising thug violence against delegates.
Great. I still don't believe that our party is somehow better than Trump. But this guy as shown himself to be as bad and to be spectacularly bad at campaigning at times.
And his principal attraction was that he was an outsider and supposedly smart and capable.
That's all gone to Hell.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (326rv)
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Trump's modern-day brownshirts kick into gear. I can't take this in any way other than a direct fascist threat.
Well, sure. You could say mob threat or goon threat or thug threat or corruptocrat threat, but that wouldn't allow you to get your "NAZINAZINAZI" on, now would it?
Well, sure. You could say mob threat or goon threat or thug threat or corruptocrat threat, but that wouldn't allow you to get your "NAZINAZINAZI" on, now would it?
Posted by: Sporkatus at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (HtLSE)
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Kelli Ward needs to cut ties with this thug ASAP.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (HSmrB)
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and he's repeatedly winked at violence against protesters at his rallies.
He hasn't, but most of them certainly deserved it.
He hasn't, but most of them certainly deserved it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (zc3Db)
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If I were trying to win friends and influence people at the convention, veiled threats against the delegates would not be my first choice.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (Qvgg/)
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So this is another circular firing squad Thread?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (V/InG)
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The Trump supporters bothering the delegates will be the least of the problems.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious!
Those will be the mini riots.
The Trump supporters bothering the delegates will be the least of the problems.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious!
Those will be the mini riots.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (0mRoj)
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Trump's modern-day brownshirts kick into gear. I can't take this in any way other than a direct fascist threat.
Posted by: Revenant at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (y64uP)
I'll get you a new string of pearls, milady. You've done clutched that one all to bits.
I know you were too busy ordering online flowers for Michelle Fields the weekend of the Chicago riots to notice, but the modern-day brownshirts have already been called in, they're leftists, and they're protesting Donald Trump.
A time for choosing indeed.
Posted by: Revenant at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (y64uP)
I'll get you a new string of pearls, milady. You've done clutched that one all to bits.
I know you were too busy ordering online flowers for Michelle Fields the weekend of the Chicago riots to notice, but the modern-day brownshirts have already been called in, they're leftists, and they're protesting Donald Trump.
A time for choosing indeed.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (xuouz)
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>>8 So, Stone is Trump's VP choice? No?
Nah, he's just his former staffer and current surrogate spreading the Truth(prism) at InfoWars and other top-quality outlets.
Nah, he's just his former staffer and current surrogate spreading the Truth(prism) at InfoWars and other top-quality outlets.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: @votermom at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (nbrY/)
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Yep, playing political hardball, the stuff nobody really likes, but that has been going on for the last 200 years. He's a scumball, no doubt. Just like the political enforcer of every other candidate for president.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (39g3+)
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43 and he's repeatedly winked at violence against protesters at his rallies.
He hasn't, but most of them certainly deserved it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (zc3Db)
That girl who got herself pepper sprayed certainly did.
He hasn't, but most of them certainly deserved it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (zc3Db)
That girl who got herself pepper sprayed certainly did.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (0mRoj)
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That girl who got herself pepper sprayed certainly did.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (0mRoj)
She even said so herself.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (0mRoj)
She even said so herself.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (huFcq)
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This isn't related to Trump. It was a Trump PAC, not Trump himself, a Trump supporter not Trump himself, who said this.
No relation to Trump.
Remember the Melania ad in Utah? It was a PAC. No relation to Cruz. None whatsoever.
This has no relation to Trump. I just can't imagine what you're all on about. No relation.
No relation to Trump.
Remember the Melania ad in Utah? It was a PAC. No relation to Cruz. None whatsoever.
This has no relation to Trump. I just can't imagine what you're all on about. No relation.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (xuouz)
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We is gonna smack some bitches UP!
Posted by: Corey Lewandowski at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (AqEbb)
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Endorsed.
Posted by: bour3 at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (Dy3th)
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well....thou shalt not steal
Posted by: runner at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (c6/9Q)
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Trump's modern-day brownshirts kick into gear. I can't take this in any way other than a direct fascist threat.
Posted by: Revenant
And we have a new contestant at #17.
Posted by: Revenant
And we have a new contestant at #17.
Posted by: Godwin's Law at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (326rv)
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Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow.
====
Its typically best to hang out in the open threads, early morning hours. See you then.
I'll see you all tomorrow.
====
Its typically best to hang out in the open threads, early morning hours. See you then.
Posted by: Bigby's Dimpled Baby Knuckles at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (3ZtZW)
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So this is another circular firing squad Thread?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (V/InG)
Why yes it is!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (V/InG)
Why yes it is!
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (0IhFx)
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When does Stone get doxxed?
Posted by: Spelling Nazi at April 05, 2016 02:31 PM (AO2XE)
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What in the hell is a bruv ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
________________________
It' an abbreviation for broken ribs/uterus/vagina....
What in the hell is a bruv ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
________________________
It' an abbreviation for broken ribs/uterus/vagina....
Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 05, 2016 02:31 PM (HSmrB)
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and he's repeatedly winked at violence against protesters at his rallies.
You mean like how the GOPe winked at the use of the IRS against the Tea Party?
Like how they wink at militarized police terrorizing civilians?
Like how they wink at a worthless VA system?
My sympathy is extremely limited.
You mean like how the GOPe winked at the use of the IRS against the Tea Party?
Like how they wink at militarized police terrorizing civilians?
Like how they wink at a worthless VA system?
My sympathy is extremely limited.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 05, 2016 02:31 PM (9krrF)
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All of that being so, can we not pretend like Stone isn't issuing a
barely-veiled threat of harm to delegates here to try to intimidate them
out of supporting their preferred candidate?
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Yes, by all means, let's gloss over the fact that the gope has made this sort of thing necessary by promoting the notion that delegates have any liberty to 'prefer' a candidate other than the ones the voters picked for them.
barely-veiled threat of harm to delegates here to try to intimidate them
out of supporting their preferred candidate?
---
Yes, by all means, let's gloss over the fact that the gope has made this sort of thing necessary by promoting the notion that delegates have any liberty to 'prefer' a candidate other than the ones the voters picked for them.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (ZbV+0)
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Nah, he's just his former staffer and current surrogate spreading the Truth(prism) at InfoWars and other top-quality outlets.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (t5zYU)
No no no, surrogates advocating on behalf of a candidate aren't related to the candidate.
Remember Liz Mair's Melania ad in Utah? That was the work of a PAC. Not Cruz.
This has no relation to Trump.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (t5zYU)
No no no, surrogates advocating on behalf of a candidate aren't related to the candidate.
Remember Liz Mair's Melania ad in Utah? That was the work of a PAC. Not Cruz.
This has no relation to Trump.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (xuouz)
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Well the death spiral for today begins. Ya'll know that beer I said I'd buy any Moron? I'll just set it over here on this nice table, and be back later.
Go easy on the furniture kids, if I remember, it's rented.
Go easy on the furniture kids, if I remember, it's rented.
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (aQQbl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (FkBIv)
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Roger Stone tried to do butt stuff to me.
Posted by: The Chicken at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (QM5S2)
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What in the hell is a bruv ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
"bruv" is "bro" in Britlandia. Ace is polishing up his Continental credentials.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
"bruv" is "bro" in Britlandia. Ace is polishing up his Continental credentials.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (huFcq)
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The Trump supporters bothering the delegates will be the least of the problems.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious!
Those will be the mini riots.-----------Bertram Cabot Jr
You shall know them by their hair!
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious!
Those will be the mini riots.-----------Bertram Cabot Jr
You shall know them by their hair!
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (0x/TW)
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With that, I'm out. I'm in no state of mind right now to be in this thread so I'm stepping back before I do something really, really stupid.
Catch ya in another thread, Horde.
Catch ya in another thread, Horde.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (9krrF)
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68 Roger Stone tried to do butt stuff to me.
Posted by: The Chicken at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (QM5S2)
That is Roger Stone's thing. That is why he can't be doxxed. He welcomes the attention.
Posted by: The Chicken at April 05, 2016 02:32 PM (QM5S2)
That is Roger Stone's thing. That is why he can't be doxxed. He welcomes the attention.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (huFcq)
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55 We is gonna smack some bitches UP!
Posted by: Corey Lewandowski at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (AqEbb)
You'll be 'earing from our solicitors, mate!
Posted by: Corey Lewandowski at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (AqEbb)
You'll be 'earing from our solicitors, mate!
Posted by: Prodigy at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (0mRoj)
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Roger Stone? That's a fake name, yes? Like Buck Naked.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (evdj2)
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Trump and campaign too lazy and stupid to:
1) Get more than 1/3 of votes necessary to get enough delegates to avoid this entire process
2) Read a single policy paper in order not to sound like a complete boob on abortion, nuclear policy, etc.
3) Just shutup for a sufficient time not to stuff foot in mouth a half dozen times in a week.
4) Provide sufficient on the ground staff and strategic thought to get uncommitted delegates or second-round ballot delegates out of arcane state processes.
However, plenty of energy for:
1) Giving us the scalps of Hedi Cruz and Michelle Fields
2) Starting a hit list of enemies that we will give to our brain-dead followers while making vague threats.
3) Start a victimhood campaign for said convention in which "delegate leader" is a new legal term that means "well i didn't get enough delegates or votes to win and am too lazy to snag delegates using a smart ground game, but you must give it to me anyway".
1) Get more than 1/3 of votes necessary to get enough delegates to avoid this entire process
2) Read a single policy paper in order not to sound like a complete boob on abortion, nuclear policy, etc.
3) Just shutup for a sufficient time not to stuff foot in mouth a half dozen times in a week.
4) Provide sufficient on the ground staff and strategic thought to get uncommitted delegates or second-round ballot delegates out of arcane state processes.
However, plenty of energy for:
1) Giving us the scalps of Hedi Cruz and Michelle Fields
2) Starting a hit list of enemies that we will give to our brain-dead followers while making vague threats.
3) Start a victimhood campaign for said convention in which "delegate leader" is a new legal term that means "well i didn't get enough delegates or votes to win and am too lazy to snag delegates using a smart ground game, but you must give it to me anyway".
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (OHyGW)
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lol at Ace waking up, stumbling to the computer, kicking the comments with Trumpenkrieg fodder, and then stumbling back into bed.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (iQIUe)
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Yes, by all means, let's gloss over the fact that the gope has made this
sort of thing necessary by promoting the notion that delegates have any
liberty to 'prefer' a candidate other than the ones the voters picked
for them.
Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish? If so, why not?
sort of thing necessary by promoting the notion that delegates have any
liberty to 'prefer' a candidate other than the ones the voters picked
for them.
Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish? If so, why not?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (+B4Qh)
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What in the hell is a bruv ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
Well, you've heard of SUV's, right? Sports Utility Vehicles? This is sort of like that....Utility Vehicles that Bruv's drive.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:25 PM (W+w2W)
Well, you've heard of SUV's, right? Sports Utility Vehicles? This is sort of like that....Utility Vehicles that Bruv's drive.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:34 PM (0IhFx)
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Delegates behaving unethically, have no right not to be disclosed and confronted.
Delegates behaving unethically, have no right not to be disclosed and confronted.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:34 PM (iQIUe)
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Just who the fuck is Roger Jason Stone Jr.?
Posted by: Colonel Nathan Jessup at April 05, 2016 02:34 PM (PFy0L)
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10 Probably best to avoid Cleveland when the convention is going on.
Posted by: HH at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (DrCtv)
True with or without Trump regrettably. You'd better believe there are going to be some rabid protestors in from all over, because rethuglicans.
And why? What do these losers - and they are incredible losers, even the ones who aren't traveling far, if they have nothing better to do, even on a weekend, than make noise and disrupt others' time and look upset in public - think they're accomplishing? You can't anti-vote someone, protesting isn't cancelling out one of their future votes. And it's not that Trump in particular is so agitating to them that they're stirred to action to encourage other primary options. If it wasn't Trump it'd be Cruz and if not Cruz then Kasich. They will be out trying to disrupt because they just don't like the other side. It's not about any one candidate, it's about the fact that another side even exists which could possibly want to apply any brake to their half-baked tumble toward "progress" paid for by others. They'll protest it every time.
Don't like someone? Cool, don't vote for them, now go do some work instead of being angry and making others angry. Sadly, not gonna happen.
Posted by: HH at April 05, 2016 02:22 PM (DrCtv)
True with or without Trump regrettably. You'd better believe there are going to be some rabid protestors in from all over, because rethuglicans.
And why? What do these losers - and they are incredible losers, even the ones who aren't traveling far, if they have nothing better to do, even on a weekend, than make noise and disrupt others' time and look upset in public - think they're accomplishing? You can't anti-vote someone, protesting isn't cancelling out one of their future votes. And it's not that Trump in particular is so agitating to them that they're stirred to action to encourage other primary options. If it wasn't Trump it'd be Cruz and if not Cruz then Kasich. They will be out trying to disrupt because they just don't like the other side. It's not about any one candidate, it's about the fact that another side even exists which could possibly want to apply any brake to their half-baked tumble toward "progress" paid for by others. They'll protest it every time.
Don't like someone? Cool, don't vote for them, now go do some work instead of being angry and making others angry. Sadly, not gonna happen.
Posted by: 0302 at April 05, 2016 02:34 PM (wx6iv)
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High turnout in Appleton - city official predicts 85% turnout there http://post.cr/23edMi0
That's Congressman Reid Ribble's district. He endorsed Cruz over the weekend.
That's Congressman Reid Ribble's district. He endorsed Cruz over the weekend.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:34 PM (t5zYU)
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let's gloss over the fact that the gope has made this sort of thing necessary by promoting the notion that delegates have any liberty to 'prefer' a candidate other than the ones the voters picked for them
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Ugh - don't they? At least after a first ballot.
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Ugh - don't they? At least after a first ballot.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:35 PM (gmeXX)
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Hey! Thanks!!
Posted by: Hookers of Cleveland at April 05, 2016 02:35 PM (YFFpo)
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Are we talking about noted cuck Roger Stone? The one who has advertised in swinger magazines for men to service his wife? That Roger Stone?
That's the word on the street.
That's the word on the street.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:35 PM (evdj2)
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If the establishment tries to parachute in some candidate other than cruz or trump to take the nomination, I will sign up for these protests.
Posted by: Village Idiot at April 05, 2016 02:35 PM (bf86X)
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This says more about me than anything, really. And it's not good - but it is what it is.
If some good old fashioned ass-kicking goes on at the convention ... I won't cry any tears.
I'm to the point where I just assume, based on past actions, that 90% of them hate 90% of those like me anyway.
If some good old fashioned ass-kicking goes on at the convention ... I won't cry any tears.
I'm to the point where I just assume, based on past actions, that 90% of them hate 90% of those like me anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (W+w2W)
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Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish? If so, why not?
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It would certainly lessen the drama on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th .... 250th ballot.
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It would certainly lessen the drama on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th .... 250th ballot.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (gmeXX)
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Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish?
Some states bind their delegates for the first two rounds.
It's important to learn the rules and act accordingly.
It's easier to ignore them and shout about fairness.
Some states bind their delegates for the first two rounds.
It's important to learn the rules and act accordingly.
It's easier to ignore them and shout about fairness.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (1xUj/)
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It's my understanding that after the first ballot, delegates are free to choose whichever candidate they wish, barring other restrictions placed on them by their state nomination processes, and that this is a longstanding convention rule, not some secret GOPe conspiracy to "get" Donald Trump. Is this right?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (+B4Qh)
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Protesters will not get within a half-mile of the convention..
More Trump bullshit.. I will be very happy when that man is run out of Cleveland on a rail..
More Trump bullshit.. I will be very happy when that man is run out of Cleveland on a rail..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (so+oy)
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Delegates behaving unethically, have no right not to be disclosed and confronted.
What's the unethical behavior?
What's the unethical behavior?
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (iQIUe)
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and he's repeatedly winked at violence against protesters at his rallies.
You mean like how the GOPe winked at the use of the IRS against the Tea Party?
Like how they wink at militarized police terrorizing civilians?
Like how they wink at a worthless VA system?
Like how they repeatedly fucked over the winners of Republican primaries?
Like how they winked at ramming through an asshole who couldn't be bothered to live in Kansas?
Like how they won't stop people from being molested by the TSA, but they WILL stop light bulbs?
I'm starting to understand what Kissinger meant when he was asked about what "we wanted" out of the Iran/Iraq war.
As someone mentioned in an earlier thread; I'm seriously considering Team Make It Burn.
You mean like how the GOPe winked at the use of the IRS against the Tea Party?
Like how they wink at militarized police terrorizing civilians?
Like how they wink at a worthless VA system?
Like how they repeatedly fucked over the winners of Republican primaries?
Like how they winked at ramming through an asshole who couldn't be bothered to live in Kansas?
Like how they won't stop people from being molested by the TSA, but they WILL stop light bulbs?
I'm starting to understand what Kissinger meant when he was asked about what "we wanted" out of the Iran/Iraq war.
As someone mentioned in an earlier thread; I'm seriously considering Team Make It Burn.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (326rv)
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Trump and campaign too lazy and stupid to:
1) Get more than 1/3 of votes necessary to get enough delegates to avoid this entire process
Cruz campaign worse. Can't even beat Trump.
Seriously. If you are gonna try and pull that shit, make sure your guy smells better, not worse.
1) Get more than 1/3 of votes necessary to get enough delegates to avoid this entire process
Cruz campaign worse. Can't even beat Trump.
Seriously. If you are gonna try and pull that shit, make sure your guy smells better, not worse.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (NsI03)
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93 Delegates behaving unethically, have no right not to be disclosed and confronted.
What's the unethical behavior?
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (PFy0L)
Not voting for a orange buffoon with 80 percent unfavorables among women and zero chance of defeating Hillary clinton.
What's the unethical behavior?
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (PFy0L)
Not voting for a orange buffoon with 80 percent unfavorables among women and zero chance of defeating Hillary clinton.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (OHyGW)
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HE MUST BE STOPPED!!! HE'LL PUT US IN THE CAMPS!!!
Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (YFFpo)
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I'm to the point where I just assume, based on past actions, that 90% of them hate 90% of those like me anyway.
Posted by: ScoggDog
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But you know what? It's THEIR party.. THEIR rules. go start your own.
Posted by: ScoggDog
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But you know what? It's THEIR party.. THEIR rules. go start your own.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
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I love when people fain a statement like a question to be cute.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (V/InG)
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Good to know that Trump Obsession Central is still up and running...
Posted by: Marcus T at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (O0lVq)
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"There will be plenty of riots to go around in Cleveland. The Trump supporters bothering the delegates will be the least of the problems."
Spot on. Kasich, as host governor, could be starting lawfare at the likes of Soros and moveon.org to try to minimize this.
Spot on. Kasich, as host governor, could be starting lawfare at the likes of Soros and moveon.org to try to minimize this.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (r1fLd)
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Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish? If so, why not?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (+B4Qh)
Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (+B4Qh)
Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
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I can see several bluejays flying outside my window and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I hate bluejays.
I can see several bluejays flying outside my window and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I hate bluejays.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
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Cruz campaign worse. Can't even beat Trump.
He's got the Mo now that it's a two man race. Well, two and a half anyways.
He's got the Mo now that it's a two man race. Well, two and a half anyways.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (evdj2)
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Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish?
Considering the fact that the delegates are not elected as individuals it strains logic to think that, just because there is no definitive first vote at the convention that they all, all of a sudden, become totally independent operators. That's kind of ridiculous.
Considering the fact that the delegates are not elected as individuals it strains logic to think that, just because there is no definitive first vote at the convention that they all, all of a sudden, become totally independent operators. That's kind of ridiculous.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (zc3Db)
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It's a filthy, stinking mess we find ourselves in, and we're all in it together.
Until and unless everything has to be thrashed out at the convention, let's try to remember that we're all on the same team.
*gets hit in the face with a spinning bottle of wild irish rose*
Until and unless everything has to be thrashed out at the convention, let's try to remember that we're all on the same team.
*gets hit in the face with a spinning bottle of wild irish rose*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: The Chicken at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (m3iiU)
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Yeah, boy, the GOPe's thuggery is so much more polite. And it's not like there's a crisis or anything.
http://tinyurl.com/jxyju7h
http://tinyurl.com/jxyju7h
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (Nwg0u)
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Cruz campaign worse. Can't even beat Trump.
Seriously. If you are gonna try and pull that shit, make sure your guy smells better, not worse.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (NsI03)
Not my guy at all actually. But at least Cruz is snagging uncommitted delegates, looking for second-ballot delegates, using every single arcane state process out there to secure delegates for the convention. That's hard work and strategic thought in action with a rather unattractive candidate.
Meanwhile noted cuck Roger and Trump make hit lists and build the theater show for victimhood.
Seriously. If you are gonna try and pull that shit, make sure your guy smells better, not worse.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 02:37 PM (NsI03)
Not my guy at all actually. But at least Cruz is snagging uncommitted delegates, looking for second-ballot delegates, using every single arcane state process out there to secure delegates for the convention. That's hard work and strategic thought in action with a rather unattractive candidate.
Meanwhile noted cuck Roger and Trump make hit lists and build the theater show for victimhood.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (OHyGW)
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You got mud on your face
You big disgrace
Kickin' the voters all over the place
Singin'
We will we will doxx you
We will we will doxx you!
You got mud on your face
You big disgrace
Kickin' the voters all over the place
Singin'
We will we will doxx you
We will we will doxx you!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (iQIUe)
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It's my nature.
Posted by: Blue Jay at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (FkBIv)
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>>Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM
Basically, yeah. There are a lot of good resources available describing the process, although I admit they don't all agree. Josh Putnam at FHQ has tons of info. Erica Greider is also a really good source of info.
I'm seeing quite a few articles saying that if Cruz can get it to the 2nd ballot, he has a very good shot at winning because at that point it is down to organization and his is superior to either Trump's or Kasich's.
Here's one, but there are several out there saying similar things:
http://tinyurl.com/gu3ptgm
Basically, yeah. There are a lot of good resources available describing the process, although I admit they don't all agree. Josh Putnam at FHQ has tons of info. Erica Greider is also a really good source of info.
I'm seeing quite a few articles saying that if Cruz can get it to the 2nd ballot, he has a very good shot at winning because at that point it is down to organization and his is superior to either Trump's or Kasich's.
Here's one, but there are several out there saying similar things:
http://tinyurl.com/gu3ptgm
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:41 PM (t5zYU)
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But you know what? It's THEIR party.. THEIR rules. go start your own.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
Good luck winning a fight with your army of 250 effete staff officers. We're not taking orders, and we don't have to like your attitude either.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
Good luck winning a fight with your army of 250 effete staff officers. We're not taking orders, and we don't have to like your attitude either.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:41 PM (xuouz)
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But at least Cruz is snagging uncommitted delegates, looking for second-ballot delegates, using every single arcane state process out there to secure delegates for the convention.
He fights.
He fights.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:41 PM (evdj2)
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Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
Also Burkean Trustee. Also agency and moral hazard. But hey, we're all conservatives here.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
Also Burkean Trustee. Also agency and moral hazard. But hey, we're all conservatives here.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:41 PM (huFcq)
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Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: Methos
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Do me a favor and look up what a political party is.. and who makes the rules.
The GOP governs no one.. it's a political fucking party.. you can join them, vote for them or not.. You can even start your own party..
Maybe The Fuckstick Party.. sounds good!
Posted by: Methos
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Do me a favor and look up what a political party is.. and who makes the rules.
The GOP governs no one.. it's a political fucking party.. you can join them, vote for them or not.. You can even start your own party..
Maybe The Fuckstick Party.. sounds good!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:41 PM (so+oy)
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When does this Calvinball Tournament start, anyway?
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:41 PM (TnP/y)
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This is a Media Matters story. I never thought I'd see their stuff here.
For those who can't listen, here's the "threatening" part:
If you're from Pennsylvania, we'll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed.
BTW - Roger Stone is an ass and I've changed my registration so that I can vote for Cruz in the primary.
This is a Media Matters story. I never thought I'd see their stuff here.
For those who can't listen, here's the "threatening" part:
If you're from Pennsylvania, we'll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed.
BTW - Roger Stone is an ass and I've changed my registration so that I can vote for Cruz in the primary.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (RcpcZ)
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Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
Please look up "representative assembly". That is essentially what a convention is.
Delegates are not just programmed robots. Same with Senators and Representatives. They are free to use their judgments to do what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents.
Really, this is Civics 101 stuff.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
Please look up "representative assembly". That is essentially what a convention is.
Delegates are not just programmed robots. Same with Senators and Representatives. They are free to use their judgments to do what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents.
Really, this is Civics 101 stuff.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (+B4Qh)
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104
I can see several bluejays flying outside my window and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I hate bluejays.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
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^First sensible post in this thread^
I can see several bluejays flying outside my window and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I hate bluejays.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
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^First sensible post in this thread^
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (cR/4a)
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bob you're arguing against Trump with Trump memes. Easy on the c-word, you might get yourself banned.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (xuouz)
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Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
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Get back to me when you understand what consent means.
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Get back to me when you understand what consent means.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (gmeXX)
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If the RNC had any balls they sould disqualify Trump and end this farce right now.
Posted by: mov at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (kUmUV)
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But you know what? It's THEIR party.. THEIR rules. go start your own.
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But it's *our* country. They only exist as a party because we give them permission to remain.
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But it's *our* country. They only exist as a party because we give them permission to remain.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:43 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:43 PM (+B4Qh)
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There's going to be a lot of these type of threats between candidates and between parties during and beyond this election. Get used to it. It's not going away until it's been burned away.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 02:43 PM (Fmupd)
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>>Cruz is snagging uncommitted delegates, looking for second-ballot delegates, using every single arcane state process out there to secure delegates for the convention.
He should just talk shit and threaten to initiate lawsuits. That's how real conservatives roll.
He should just talk shit and threaten to initiate lawsuits. That's how real conservatives roll.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:43 PM (TnP/y)
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>>>He's got the Mo now that it's a two man race. Well, two and a half anyways.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
sounds like a TV show. Two and a Half Americans
Posted by: Grump928(c)
sounds like a TV show. Two and a Half Americans
Posted by: x at April 05, 2016 02:43 PM (nFwvY)
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But you know what? It's THEIR party.. THEIR rules. go start your own.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
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Basically this.
After watching the North Dakota convention and how Cruz's team worked 1700 voting delegates to prevail, my sympathy for this whining about "party leaders 'stealing' the election" from candidates like Trump and Kasich, who couldn't be bothered to draw up a delegate list to hand out voters, is nil.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
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Basically this.
After watching the North Dakota convention and how Cruz's team worked 1700 voting delegates to prevail, my sympathy for this whining about "party leaders 'stealing' the election" from candidates like Trump and Kasich, who couldn't be bothered to draw up a delegate list to hand out voters, is nil.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:43 PM (t5zYU)
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Meanwhile noted cuck Roger and Trump make hit lists and build the theater show for victimhood.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (OHyGW)
Hello newbie bob with the unrecognized hash.
Are you planning on using "cuck" a lot?
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (OHyGW)
Hello newbie bob with the unrecognized hash.
Are you planning on using "cuck" a lot?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (1xUj/)
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Trump voters aren't the angry ones, anti-Trumpe voters are. Trump voters aren't the crass, confrontational ones, anti-Trump voters are.
You lost. Now you get to decide if the GOPe loses too.
You lost. Now you get to decide if the GOPe loses too.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (xuouz)
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Just came back to get my bottle of Wild Irish... son of a bitch.
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (aQQbl)
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (TnP/y)
Posted by: Former President Mitt Romney at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (nVQ5J)
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103 Beyond the first vote, are you saying that delegates should not be free to choose whatever candidate they wish? If so, why not?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (+B4Qh)
Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
No consent of the governed would only come into play in the general election. Parties have always been free to choose their candidates any way they wanted. Plus the rules for delegates have been public and published for a longtime and should not be a surprise to anyone.
In fact the idea that delegates would be unbound after the first ballot (or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to the earliest days of the party. Just google how it was that Abraham Lincoln came to be the nominee during the 1860 convention to see all this in action.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:33 PM (+B4Qh)
Do me a favor and look up "consent of the governed" and get back to me when you understand what that means.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (ZbV+0)
No consent of the governed would only come into play in the general election. Parties have always been free to choose their candidates any way they wanted. Plus the rules for delegates have been public and published for a longtime and should not be a surprise to anyone.
In fact the idea that delegates would be unbound after the first ballot (or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to the earliest days of the party. Just google how it was that Abraham Lincoln came to be the nominee during the 1860 convention to see all this in action.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (wqVD1)
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Roger Stone is the douchebag's douchebag.
Posted by: wooga at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (n5VsB)
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But it's *our* country. They only exist as a party because we give them permission to remain.
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What? Gosh, I thought we fought a revolution to get away from the king's decrees.
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What? Gosh, I thought we fought a revolution to get away from the king's decrees.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (gmeXX)
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Well, sure. You could say mob threat or goon threat or thug threat
or corruptocrat threat, but that wouldn't allow you to get your
"NAZINAZINAZI" on, now would it?
Posted by: Sporkatus at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (HtLSE)
I'll get you a new string of pearls, milady. You've done clutched that one all to bits.
I know you were too busy ordering online flowers for Michelle Fields
the weekend of the Chicago riots to notice, but the modern-day
brownshirts have already been called in, they're leftists, and they're
protesting Donald Trump.
A time for choosing indeed.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (xuouz)
Stone's threat is a thinly-veiled call to action for political violence. Sending Trump protestors who are called to the convention city for a "Day of Rage" to the hotel rooms of individual delegates is beyond thuggery. Its a call for the physical intimidation of GOP delegates as part of a political strategy. With all due respect to Godwin and his law, when your tactics really do resemble those of the supporters of well-known Austrian Herr Schickelgruber, then they should be called out as such.
Well, sure. You could say mob threat or goon threat or thug threat
or corruptocrat threat, but that wouldn't allow you to get your
"NAZINAZINAZI" on, now would it?
Posted by: Sporkatus at April 05, 2016 02:27 PM (HtLSE)
I'll get you a new string of pearls, milady. You've done clutched that one all to bits.
I know you were too busy ordering online flowers for Michelle Fields
the weekend of the Chicago riots to notice, but the modern-day
brownshirts have already been called in, they're leftists, and they're
protesting Donald Trump.
A time for choosing indeed.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:28 PM (xuouz)
Stone's threat is a thinly-veiled call to action for political violence. Sending Trump protestors who are called to the convention city for a "Day of Rage" to the hotel rooms of individual delegates is beyond thuggery. Its a call for the physical intimidation of GOP delegates as part of a political strategy. With all due respect to Godwin and his law, when your tactics really do resemble those of the supporters of well-known Austrian Herr Schickelgruber, then they should be called out as such.
Posted by: Revenant at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (y64uP)
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Sweet.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (TJCSB)
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You know whay Jerry ... On a certain level, you are most certainly right.
The GOP is THEIR damn party. It ain't mine.
I'll try to keep that in mind ... the next time one of THEIR fucking candidates comes knocking on my door.
The proper answer will be " Get the Hell off MY lawn. I don't have time for any puke loyal to THEIR party. "
An excellent bit 'o' perspective Jerry. Thanks.
The GOP is THEIR damn party. It ain't mine.
I'll try to keep that in mind ... the next time one of THEIR fucking candidates comes knocking on my door.
The proper answer will be " Get the Hell off MY lawn. I don't have time for any puke loyal to THEIR party. "
An excellent bit 'o' perspective Jerry. Thanks.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (W+w2W)
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I'm scared.
Posted by: Richard Simmons at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (aRUb8)
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I'd like someone to ask Donald
"If during the interview, a job candidate shows he doesn't know the detail of the job, can't articulate coherent answers to job related questions, would you hire him for a job as an executive?"
"If during the interview, a job candidate shows he doesn't know the detail of the job, can't articulate coherent answers to job related questions, would you hire him for a job as an executive?"
Posted by: biuzzsaw90 at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (PNcou)
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Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (OHyGW)
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Hey, I know you! You're the guy who spells his name backwards, right?
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Hey, I know you! You're the guy who spells his name backwards, right?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (evdj2)
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Same with Senators and Representatives. They are free to use their judgments to do what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents.
Senators and Representatives are elected (or selected, as in the past for some Senators) AS INDIVIDUALS. Do you understand the difference between an individual being chosen AS an individual and a bunch of delegates being chosen BY an individual. I know ... it's a difficult concept ...
Really, this is Civics 101 stuff.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (+B4Qh)
Really, this is Logic 101 stuff.
Senators and Representatives are elected (or selected, as in the past for some Senators) AS INDIVIDUALS. Do you understand the difference between an individual being chosen AS an individual and a bunch of delegates being chosen BY an individual. I know ... it's a difficult concept ...
Really, this is Civics 101 stuff.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (+B4Qh)
Really, this is Logic 101 stuff.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (zc3Db)
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But it's *our* country. They only exist as a party because we give them permission to remain.
Posted by: Methos
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You give them permission? Hahahaha.. thanks for the chuckle.. even better than some of the belly laughs I had this morning reading Daily Kooks.
Posted by: Methos
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You give them permission? Hahahaha.. thanks for the chuckle.. even better than some of the belly laughs I had this morning reading Daily Kooks.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (so+oy)
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>>Good to know that Trump Obsession Central is still up
I know, right? Shocking stuff on a political blog right in the middle of the primary campaign.
I know, right? Shocking stuff on a political blog right in the middle of the primary campaign.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (/5Tau)
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But you know what? It's THEIR party.. THEIR rules. go start your own.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
Wait. I thought the gag was if there was insufficient loyalty, that was a bad thing, and it would be the fault of the Trumtards/trumpkins/trumpbots/(insert your slur here).
Now it's leave as quickly as possible?
Good to know.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:38 PM (so+oy)
Wait. I thought the gag was if there was insufficient loyalty, that was a bad thing, and it would be the fault of the Trumtards/trumpkins/trumpbots/(insert your slur here).
Now it's leave as quickly as possible?
Good to know.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2016 02:45 PM (326rv)
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Actually Roger Stone was a legitimate swinger and into the c-word stuff. So this is actual fact-based, evidence-based assertion based on the published record rather than a casual accusation and insult. Ironic considering the use of the term among trumpkins when there guy was actually into it.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (OHyGW)
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Just came back to get my bottle of Wild Irish... son of a bitch.
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You're lucky it's still there.
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You're lucky it's still there.
Posted by: flmomof4 at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (bEXWJ)
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Is this the thread where we talk about Hoffa and concrete galoshes?
Posted by: Fritz at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (UzPAd)
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In fact the idea that delegates would be unbound after the first ballot (or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to the earliest days of the party.
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And in some states they're never bound, North Dakota being one.
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And in some states they're never bound, North Dakota being one.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (t5zYU)
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In fact the idea that delegates would be unbound after the first ballot (or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to the earliest days of the party. Just google how it was that Abraham Lincoln came to be the nominee during the 1860 convention to see all this in action.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (wqVD1)
I'm not saying that it isn't the way things are, only that it's incredibly stupid.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (wqVD1)
I'm not saying that it isn't the way things are, only that it's incredibly stupid.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (zc3Db)
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Fuck him, his candidate and the horse he rode in on.
We are not Democrats... we don't riot when we don't get our way.
We are not Democrats... we don't riot when we don't get our way.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (3JA/M)
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I can see several bluejays flying outside my window and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I hate bluejays.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
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^First sensible post in this thread^
Blue Jays are Canadian. Toronto. F'n Cruz.
(Moar gas & matches for the fire)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
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^First sensible post in this thread^
Blue Jays are Canadian. Toronto. F'n Cruz.
(Moar gas & matches for the fire)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (NsI03)
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If the RNC had any balls they sould disqualify Trump and end this farce right now.
Posted by: mov at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (kUmUV)
Ah use Democratic party rules? Your a funny guy
Posted by: mov at April 05, 2016 02:42 PM (kUmUV)
Ah use Democratic party rules? Your a funny guy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (V/InG)
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It's their party and they'll cry if they want to.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (FkBIv)
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The GOP governs no one
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Really?
What is the purpose of the organization?
I mean aside from funneling money to consultants and media during campaign season.
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Really?
What is the purpose of the organization?
I mean aside from funneling money to consultants and media during campaign season.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (ZbV+0)
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Take my wife...literally!
Posted by: Roger Stone at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (TnP/y)
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From wiki (yeah, I know...):
In 2007 Stone, a top adviser at the time to Joseph Bruno (the majority leader of the New York State Senate), was forced to resign by Bruno after allegations that Stone had threatened then gubernatorial candidate Eliot Spitzer's 83 year-old father.[29] On August 6, 2007, a message was left on Bernard Spitzer's answering machine threatening to prosecute the elderly man if he did implicate his son in wrongdoing and lacing the message with expletives. Bernard Spitzer hired a private detective agency that that traced the call to Roger Stone's wife's phone. Roger Stone denied leaving the message, despite the fact that his voice was recognized, claiming he was at a movie that was later shown to have not been screened that night. Stone was accused on an episode of Hardball with Chris Matthews on August 22, 2007, of being the voice on an expletive-laden voicemail threatening Bernard Spitzer, father of Eliot, with subpoenas.[30][31] Donald Trump is quoted as saying of the incident: "They caught Roger red-handed, lying. What he did was ridiculous and stupid."[32]
In 2007 Stone, a top adviser at the time to Joseph Bruno (the majority leader of the New York State Senate), was forced to resign by Bruno after allegations that Stone had threatened then gubernatorial candidate Eliot Spitzer's 83 year-old father.[29] On August 6, 2007, a message was left on Bernard Spitzer's answering machine threatening to prosecute the elderly man if he did implicate his son in wrongdoing and lacing the message with expletives. Bernard Spitzer hired a private detective agency that that traced the call to Roger Stone's wife's phone. Roger Stone denied leaving the message, despite the fact that his voice was recognized, claiming he was at a movie that was later shown to have not been screened that night. Stone was accused on an episode of Hardball with Chris Matthews on August 22, 2007, of being the voice on an expletive-laden voicemail threatening Bernard Spitzer, father of Eliot, with subpoenas.[30][31] Donald Trump is quoted as saying of the incident: "They caught Roger red-handed, lying. What he did was ridiculous and stupid."[32]
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (evdj2)
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Protesters will respect a half-mile quarantine? No infiltrations, no attacking buses and cars, no rushing the barricades? BLM and the Soros goons have said, plainly, that they will be going full force at the convention.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (mBYZv)
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Republicans acting this way would have been unthinkable a few years ago; what's changed? Oh yeah, getting kicked in the teeth by GOPe time after time. But I'm sure they'd never do that again.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (Nwg0u)
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So...whose Republican Nat'l Convention behavior will be worse: the people inside, or the crazy protesters outside?
I guess the MSM is psyched to have so many potential fights break out.
Ugh.
I guess the MSM is psyched to have so many potential fights break out.
Ugh.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (NOIQH)
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https://youtu.be/WeGTeFT8AHY?t=37m
Mark Steyn debates immigration. He swayed 22% of a mostly averse audience.
Mark Steyn debates immigration. He swayed 22% of a mostly averse audience.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (VdICR)
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We are not Democrats... we don't riot when we don't get our way.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (3JA/M)
No, we set the IRS on them.
We are not Democrats... we don't riot when we don't get our way.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (3JA/M)
No, we set the IRS on them.
Posted by: GOPe at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (326rv)
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Power to the People!!
Posted by: Michael Moore at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (aRUb8)
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wow...that's a new low, I guess?
Not that people don't deserve to break some shit over what is being done to this country, but on behalf of Trump? Yeah, no thanks.
Not that people don't deserve to break some shit over what is being done to this country, but on behalf of Trump? Yeah, no thanks.
Posted by: Max Power at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (QCc6B)
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I can see several bluejays flying outside my window
and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the
asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I
hate bluejays.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
Blue Jays are nothing. Starlings are worse. they're an invasive species, introduced a hundred or so years to this country by a man who believed that birds mentioned by Shakespeare would benefit this country. Unfortunately, they drive out native species, and should be destroyed wherever you see them. A pellet gun, and some patience is all that is required.
and a lot of other birds flying, too. I know what they are doing -- the
asshole bluejays are attacking the nest/eggs of the other birds. I
hate bluejays.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 02:39 PM (iQIUe)
Blue Jays are nothing. Starlings are worse. they're an invasive species, introduced a hundred or so years to this country by a man who believed that birds mentioned by Shakespeare would benefit this country. Unfortunately, they drive out native species, and should be destroyed wherever you see them. A pellet gun, and some patience is all that is required.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (0IhFx)
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In fact the idea that delegates would be unbound after the first ballot (or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to the earliest days of the party. Just google how it was that Abraham Lincoln came to be the nominee during the 1860 convention to see all this in action.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (wqVD1)
Absolutely, Maet, but at that time the convention was when the nominee was actually selected, not a pageant for announcing what had already been decided.
If it were taking place to select a non-establishment candidate, then I'd be fine with it. But it's not. The plan to select a brand new candidate, after the voters narrowed down a field of over to two that are unacceptable to party leadership, is a sham and a travesty, some hair-splitting sycophant's protests in this thread notwithstanding.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (wqVD1)
Absolutely, Maet, but at that time the convention was when the nominee was actually selected, not a pageant for announcing what had already been decided.
If it were taking place to select a non-establishment candidate, then I'd be fine with it. But it's not. The plan to select a brand new candidate, after the voters narrowed down a field of over to two that are unacceptable to party leadership, is a sham and a travesty, some hair-splitting sycophant's protests in this thread notwithstanding.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (xuouz)
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I'm not saying that it isn't the way things are, only that it's incredibly stupid.
What is a better way?
What is a better way?
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (evdj2)
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So they guy debating Republican party rules is the guy who is threatening to walk from the Party if he does not get his way?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (V/InG)
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Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:44 PM (wqVD1)
I thought this was a Safe Space. Free from facts and historical precedent.
I thought this was a Safe Space. Free from facts and historical precedent.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (TnP/y)
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And when they use the same maneuvers to screw Cruz,I guess everybody is going to be okay with that too.
Posted by: steevy at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (B48dK)
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Do you understand the difference between an individual being chosen AS
an individual and a bunch of delegates being chosen BY an individual. I
know ... it's a difficult concept ...
There is no difference here.
Voters vote for delegates to represent them at the convention.
The delegates are entrusted to represent the interests of the voters, both in their direct preferences and more broadly speaking as to what would be best (in this case, for the party).
You are trying to argue for delegates being strictly bound on all N ballots on exactly whom their voters directed them to vote for, even if they were selected all the way back in January or February before new information arrived? So Jeb! delegates should vote for Jeb! on every ballot?
an individual and a bunch of delegates being chosen BY an individual. I
know ... it's a difficult concept ...
There is no difference here.
Voters vote for delegates to represent them at the convention.
The delegates are entrusted to represent the interests of the voters, both in their direct preferences and more broadly speaking as to what would be best (in this case, for the party).
You are trying to argue for delegates being strictly bound on all N ballots on exactly whom their voters directed them to vote for, even if they were selected all the way back in January or February before new information arrived? So Jeb! delegates should vote for Jeb! on every ballot?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (+B4Qh)
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These fine American unbiased delegates should be free from any type of retribution for their decisions and the proceeds from their graft, corruption and bribery hidden from the public eye.
This is the American way.
This is the American way.
Posted by: Former President Mitt Romney at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (nVQ5J)
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We lose to the Dems b/c republicans don't play hardball, they stay above the fray like John "Don't be scared of an Obama Presidency" McCain. Or weaklings like Romney who standby while Crowley lies during a debate to help Obama.
And now we finally have a presidential candidate who fights back. He isn't perfect, he's actually pretty terrible just like all our politicians, but at least he fights back. And he fights back with the dirty.
#Trump2016
#ThePresidentAmericaDeserves
Maybe if Hillary is lucky Trump will promise to hand sign and frame her pardon - for the good of country, of course. She forgave Bill's crimes after all.
And now we finally have a presidential candidate who fights back. He isn't perfect, he's actually pretty terrible just like all our politicians, but at least he fights back. And he fights back with the dirty.
#Trump2016
#ThePresidentAmericaDeserves
Maybe if Hillary is lucky Trump will promise to hand sign and frame her pardon - for the good of country, of course. She forgave Bill's crimes after all.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 02:50 PM (10hEu)
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Stone's treating the GOPe like the pussies they are.
Maybe it is time to fight like the crowd who has been eating Republican's lunch for the past 30 years.
Maybe it is time to fight like the crowd who has been eating Republican's lunch for the past 30 years.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 05, 2016 02:50 PM (kfcYC)
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The proper answer will be " Get the Hell off MY lawn. I don't have time for any puke loyal to THEIR party. "
An excellent bit 'o' perspective Jerry. Thanks.
Posted by: ScoggDog
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Exactly.. We are their enablers.. when we stop enabling them, they stop having any power over us.
The GOP will never change until we stop participating. But the problem with the so-called two party "system" is that anyone who tries to break away gets a really hard awakening. But that is what it is gonna take.
Trump supporters think they can simply wrestle control away from the GOP.. ain't gonna happen.
I have been saying for 6 months.. they will never allow Trump to get the nom on the first ballot.. then it will eventually be their guy.
An excellent bit 'o' perspective Jerry. Thanks.
Posted by: ScoggDog
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Exactly.. We are their enablers.. when we stop enabling them, they stop having any power over us.
The GOP will never change until we stop participating. But the problem with the so-called two party "system" is that anyone who tries to break away gets a really hard awakening. But that is what it is gonna take.
Trump supporters think they can simply wrestle control away from the GOP.. ain't gonna happen.
I have been saying for 6 months.. they will never allow Trump to get the nom on the first ballot.. then it will eventually be their guy.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (so+oy)
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We are not Democrats... we don't riot when we don't get our way.
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We just bow down to the most radical elements of the left and help them fleece and flush the country.
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We just bow down to the most radical elements of the left and help them fleece and flush the country.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (Nwg0u)
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Gee, I wonder ace, how do you feel about Trump?
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (IQI2h)
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Maybe it is time to fight like the crowd who has been eating Republican's lunch for the past 30 years.
*GASP*
*GASP*
Posted by: Former President John McCain at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (nVQ5J)
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In fact the idea that delegates would be unbound after the first ballot
(or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to
the earliest days of the party. Just google how it was that Abraham
Lincoln came to be the nominee during the 1860 convention to see all
this in action.
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None of which is relevant today.
Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
(or zeroth in earlier times) to choose whoever they wanted goes back to
the earliest days of the party. Just google how it was that Abraham
Lincoln came to be the nominee during the 1860 convention to see all
this in action.
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None of which is relevant today.
Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
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A pellet gun, and some patience is all that is required.
And a shovel.
Also, you don't want to run a-Fowel of the Migratory Bird Act.
The fines are fucking insane.
And a shovel.
Also, you don't want to run a-Fowel of the Migratory Bird Act.
The fines are fucking insane.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (TnP/y)
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164 Republicans acting this way would have been unthinkable a few years ago; what's changed? Oh yeah, getting kicked in the teeth by GOPe time after time. But I'm sure they'd never do that again.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (Nwg0u)
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So much THIS. All this news shows is that some have had enough, and are going to start some kicking of their own.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (Nwg0u)
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So much THIS. All this news shows is that some have had enough, and are going to start some kicking of their own.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (Fmupd)
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Only because it rolled under the couch during the scuffle.
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Well at least we know what will distract the Horde from diving on an errant bottle of Wild Irish. Takes notes.
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Well at least we know what will distract the Horde from diving on an errant bottle of Wild Irish. Takes notes.
Posted by: flmomof4 at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (bEXWJ)
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The plan to select a brand new candidate, after the voters narrowed
down a field of over to two that are unacceptable to party leadership,
is a sham and a travesty,
oh lord not this again
We have on record exactly one person who might be considered "establishment" as advocating that Ryan be chosen as the nominee, and that person isn't even in Congress anymore.
The whole "Establishment will subvert the will of the voters and install Ryan as the nominee" narrative is just scaremongering from the Trumpkins.
down a field of over to two that are unacceptable to party leadership,
is a sham and a travesty,
oh lord not this again
We have on record exactly one person who might be considered "establishment" as advocating that Ryan be chosen as the nominee, and that person isn't even in Congress anymore.
The whole "Establishment will subvert the will of the voters and install Ryan as the nominee" narrative is just scaremongering from the Trumpkins.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (+B4Qh)
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Yep, playing political hardball, the stuff nobody really likes, but that has been going on for the last 200 years. He's a scumball, no doubt. Just like the political enforcer of every other candidate for president.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (39g3+)
Remind us again.... what other political candidate has threatened riots if he doesn't win?
Yep, playing political hardball, the stuff nobody really likes, but that has been going on for the last 200 years. He's a scumball, no doubt. Just like the political enforcer of every other candidate for president.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 02:29 PM (39g3+)
Remind us again.... what other political candidate has threatened riots if he doesn't win?
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (3JA/M)
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And now we finally have a presidential candidate who fights back. He isn't perfect, he's actually pretty terrible just like all our politicians, but at least he fights back. And he fights back with the dirty.
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For a minute I thought you were talking about Cruz, then you said "he's actually pretty terrible."
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For a minute I thought you were talking about Cruz, then you said "he's actually pretty terrible."
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
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Didn't Cruz just say that there will be a revolt if the GOP nominates someone other than himself or Trump? Don't be a partisan hack, Ace...
Posted by: yuri bezmenov at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (ka/xO)
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150 Actually Roger Stone was a legitimate swinger and into the c-word stuff. So this is actual fact-based, evidence-based assertion based on the published record rather than a casual accusation and insult. Ironic considering the use of the term among trumpkins when there guy was actually into it.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (OHyGW)
Apparently, he's bi:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2008/05/so_one_day_roger_stone_brings.html
But, whatever. RNC First and all that.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:46 PM (OHyGW)
Apparently, he's bi:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2008/05/so_one_day_roger_stone_brings.html
But, whatever. RNC First and all that.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (huFcq)
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What is a better way?
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (PFy0L)
That the delegates are really just numbers belonging to the person who won them in the primaries. A way to unstick a convention where no one has a majority and the candidates, themselves, can't come to any resolution should only come into play after some time or a reasonable number of "votes". But to throw the whole thing out the window after one vote is crazy, and I think everyone knows this, deep down.
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 02:48 PM (PFy0L)
That the delegates are really just numbers belonging to the person who won them in the primaries. A way to unstick a convention where no one has a majority and the candidates, themselves, can't come to any resolution should only come into play after some time or a reasonable number of "votes". But to throw the whole thing out the window after one vote is crazy, and I think everyone knows this, deep down.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 02:53 PM (zc3Db)
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"I'm not saying Trump supporters should intimidate delegates or harm them in anyway, I'm saying they should discuss the issues in a calm and reasoned manner and then punch the delegates right in the dick, or vagina, as the case may be." -- Roger Stone
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 05, 2016 02:53 PM (TJCSB)
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it's like watching a fight down at the local biker bar.........interesting, but you're never sure who to cheer for
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at April 05, 2016 02:53 PM (cR/4a)
Posted by: Bigby's Dimpled Baby Knuckles at April 05, 2016 02:53 PM (3ZtZW)
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Do me a favor and look up what a political party is.. and who makes the rules.
A political party is a representative organization for the purpose of forwarding the political aims of a diverse group through politics. It is not necessarily a small group within that organization yelling "We are the Republicans and fuck you guys!" and doing things the majority of people who assented to that organization didn't want. Like, say, potentially controversial backroom rulesmaking.
The GOP governs no one.. it's a political fucking party.. you can join them, vote for them or not.. You can even start your own party..
Au contraire - the GOP (in the body of the RNC) wishes to govern who is selected to govern. If in doing so they betray prior granted assent, they are violating the consent of the governed. And even were they not, they would be actively and visibly screwing over those that wished to be represented - how is that a good argument for being represented by them where and when it counts?
Ah yes, and the "start your own party" wheeze. Whiggery takes time, and this is an offer in bad faith when you know that short of outright and total revolt the RNC will sabotage any such attempt. Only natural.
Maybe The Fuckstick Party.. sounds good!
The Kasich table is thataway.
A political party is a representative organization for the purpose of forwarding the political aims of a diverse group through politics. It is not necessarily a small group within that organization yelling "We are the Republicans and fuck you guys!" and doing things the majority of people who assented to that organization didn't want. Like, say, potentially controversial backroom rulesmaking.
The GOP governs no one.. it's a political fucking party.. you can join them, vote for them or not.. You can even start your own party..
Au contraire - the GOP (in the body of the RNC) wishes to govern who is selected to govern. If in doing so they betray prior granted assent, they are violating the consent of the governed. And even were they not, they would be actively and visibly screwing over those that wished to be represented - how is that a good argument for being represented by them where and when it counts?
Ah yes, and the "start your own party" wheeze. Whiggery takes time, and this is an offer in bad faith when you know that short of outright and total revolt the RNC will sabotage any such attempt. Only natural.
Maybe The Fuckstick Party.. sounds good!
The Kasich table is thataway.
Posted by: Sporkatus at April 05, 2016 02:54 PM (HtLSE)
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Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of
the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the
nomination.
Umm no, our lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary, and that the candidate who received a MAJORITY OF DELEGATES is the nominee. Not just "the leader".
In fact we haven't had this experience in our lifetimes (well, except maybe for Vic). When confronted with a new situation, the conservative inclination would be to look at past practices and see what might be applied to the current problem. Of course, the Trumpkin inclination is just to start shouting and yelling and bullying everyone into adopting Trump's way, i.e., the Leftist way.
the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the
nomination.
Umm no, our lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary, and that the candidate who received a MAJORITY OF DELEGATES is the nominee. Not just "the leader".
In fact we haven't had this experience in our lifetimes (well, except maybe for Vic). When confronted with a new situation, the conservative inclination would be to look at past practices and see what might be applied to the current problem. Of course, the Trumpkin inclination is just to start shouting and yelling and bullying everyone into adopting Trump's way, i.e., the Leftist way.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:54 PM (+B4Qh)
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>>Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Only because in our lifetime somebody got the needed delegates to win the nomination. Remember Santorum hanging around long after it was impossible for him to win in 2012? It was even impossible for him to stop Romney but he hung around because Romney had not technically reached the threshold.
It was a dumb and selfish stunt but I don't remember a lot of people whining about it then. If Trump wants the nomination then he needs to get the delegates. Simple as that.
Only because in our lifetime somebody got the needed delegates to win the nomination. Remember Santorum hanging around long after it was impossible for him to win in 2012? It was even impossible for him to stop Romney but he hung around because Romney had not technically reached the threshold.
It was a dumb and selfish stunt but I don't remember a lot of people whining about it then. If Trump wants the nomination then he needs to get the delegates. Simple as that.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 02:54 PM (/5Tau)
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Are Trumpkins what psychopaths see when they don't take their Meds?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:54 PM (V/InG)
Posted by: Guy Unclear on the Concept at April 05, 2016 02:55 PM (3GAnN)
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From the folks who pushed Romney and McCain, The GOP elite are dead set on stealing another election from the people even if that means electing Hillarybeast.
Right now Graham-Ryan-Walker-McCain-Bush are all endorsing Cruz to try to create chaos.
Right now Graham-Ryan-Walker-McCain-Bush are all endorsing Cruz to try to create chaos.
Posted by: PresidentPaul! at April 05, 2016 02:55 PM (Kv7ul)
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Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
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Not really. In some respects a floor fight adds legitimacy to the GOP. It means the people who are most involved in the organization actually have a greater say in the outcome - which is how it seems it should be. And I think conflating the GOPe with the delegates to the convention is a mistake.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
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Not really. In some respects a floor fight adds legitimacy to the GOP. It means the people who are most involved in the organization actually have a greater say in the outcome - which is how it seems it should be. And I think conflating the GOPe with the delegates to the convention is a mistake.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:55 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 02:55 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:55 PM (evdj2)
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This isn't related to Trump. It was a Trump PAC, not Trump himself, a Trump supporter not Trump himself, who said this.
No relation to Trump.
Remember the Melania ad in Utah? It was a PAC. No relation to Cruz. None whatsoever.
This has no relation to Trump. I just can't imagine what you're all on about. No relation.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (xuouz)
Trump himself threatened riots if he didn't win back in the middle of March.
No relation to Trump.
Remember the Melania ad in Utah? It was a PAC. No relation to Cruz. None whatsoever.
This has no relation to Trump. I just can't imagine what you're all on about. No relation.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 02:30 PM (xuouz)
Trump himself threatened riots if he didn't win back in the middle of March.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:55 PM (3JA/M)
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201 Ithink they are the little orange guys that work in the chocolate factory.
Posted by: steevy at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (B48dK)
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This campaign reminds we of those old war shows where the uncivilized old coot is despised by the nancy boys and then when the shit hits the fan the old coot saves the day because he's willing to do what they won't.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (RcpcZ)
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None of which is relevant today.
Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
Says you. The rules and history say differently. You can disagree if you want to.
Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
Says you. The rules and history say differently. You can disagree if you want to.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (wqVD1)
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The whole "Establishment will subvert the will of
the voters and install Ryan as the nominee" narrative is just
scaremongering from the Trumpkins.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (+B4Qh)
And Cruz. He just mentioned this too. Apparently, when he's not playing head cheerleader for Obamatrade, he's a Trumpkin. Apparently.
the voters and install Ryan as the nominee" narrative is just
scaremongering from the Trumpkins.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (+B4Qh)
And Cruz. He just mentioned this too. Apparently, when he's not playing head cheerleader for Obamatrade, he's a Trumpkin. Apparently.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (0IhFx)
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This Roger Stone guy is giving a raging hate boner.
Posted by: Corey Landowski at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (TJCSB)
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Well we do live in a country where people who refuse to bake wedding cakes get thrown in jail and $100K fines.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (LXJ1e)
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riots are spontaneous, like demonstrations. in my experience you can lose an ambassador or two, but it really is not important
Posted by: hilary! at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (c6/9Q)
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I remember Chicago 1968.
Note to Self: Self, stock up on popcorn!
Note to Self: Self, stock up on popcorn!
Posted by: Diogenes at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (VE8nO)
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Tired of the back-biting so I'll be back later. Remember, the enemy is Hillary.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (mBYZv)
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Remind us again.... what other political candidate has threatened riots if he doesn't win?
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (3JA/M)
The Federalists attacked the fifty-seven-year-old Jefferson as a godless Jacobin who would unleash the forces of bloody terror upon the land. With Jefferson as President, so warned one newspaper, "Murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil will be soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." Others attacked Jefferson's deist beliefs as the views of an infidel who "writes aghast the truths of God's words; who makes not even a profession of Christianity; who is without Sabbaths; without the sanctuary, and without so much as a decent external respect for the faith and worship of Christians."
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (3JA/M)
The Federalists attacked the fifty-seven-year-old Jefferson as a godless Jacobin who would unleash the forces of bloody terror upon the land. With Jefferson as President, so warned one newspaper, "Murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil will be soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." Others attacked Jefferson's deist beliefs as the views of an infidel who "writes aghast the truths of God's words; who makes not even a profession of Christianity; who is without Sabbaths; without the sanctuary, and without so much as a decent external respect for the faith and worship of Christians."
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (huFcq)
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Trump himself threatened riots if he didn't win back in the middle of March.
Posted by: redbanzai
Good Lord.
Posted by: redbanzai
Good Lord.
Posted by: Mortimer at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (nVQ5J)
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Right now Graham-Ryan-Walker-McCain-Bush are all endorsing Cruz to try to create chaos.
Or just to keep Trump from being the nominee.
Or just to keep Trump from being the nominee.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (evdj2)
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Okay, let's hop into the WABAC machine again and go back to a time when Cruz's people were the worst ever, and needed firing for Tweets to videos with bad subtitles, were using "dirty tricks" to steal votes because they were talking about a story they saw on CNN, and were absloutely!, definitely! in cahoots with a PAC that made a wife disparaging commercial.
And "Lyin" Ted was the worst ever because the campaign rots from the head, and he sets the tone for all the evil his people are accused of, and he should be sued and blah blah blah.
It will be terrific, really great, fantastic to hand the levers of power over to people like this Stone fella after the last miserable 8 years of people like this Stone fella holding the levers of power.
And "Lyin" Ted was the worst ever because the campaign rots from the head, and he sets the tone for all the evil his people are accused of, and he should be sued and blah blah blah.
It will be terrific, really great, fantastic to hand the levers of power over to people like this Stone fella after the last miserable 8 years of people like this Stone fella holding the levers of power.
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (H9MG5)
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#NotTrump is an unprecedented attack by establishment party figures against their own front runner. IIRC, way over $100 mm has been spent on negative ads, along with dirty tricks like the Melania nude shot (I'm looking at you Mitt).
Trump has often talked of beating treated fairly. My sense is that, despite #NotTrump, if he falls short of 1,237 in the primaries and loses on the nth ballot, Trump can be cajoled into supporting another nominee, if only because it's good brand management.
If however he thinks he's gotten fucked over -- things like faithless delegates, etc -- he'll get his supporters to stay home in November. McConnell and Ryan should realize what this can do to the down ticket -- Schumer will lead the Senate, and Ryan will have to run a House with a slim margin of votes outnumbered by fractious Repub Tea partiers. That'd be a shit show, no?
Also, Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from 1,237 by the end of April, which will affect the dynamic in later
primaries. #NotTrump can only work if it engages in real dirty tricks.
Trump has often talked of beating treated fairly. My sense is that, despite #NotTrump, if he falls short of 1,237 in the primaries and loses on the nth ballot, Trump can be cajoled into supporting another nominee, if only because it's good brand management.
If however he thinks he's gotten fucked over -- things like faithless delegates, etc -- he'll get his supporters to stay home in November. McConnell and Ryan should realize what this can do to the down ticket -- Schumer will lead the Senate, and Ryan will have to run a House with a slim margin of votes outnumbered by fractious Repub Tea partiers. That'd be a shit show, no?
Also, Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from 1,237 by the end of April, which will affect the dynamic in later
primaries. #NotTrump can only work if it engages in real dirty tricks.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (r1fLd)
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Dana Loesch was just talking about this, and he is going to be on her show tomorrow. But all I was thinking about was that Rodger was going all leftist.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (1J6E6)
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"If during the interview, a job candidate shows he doesn't know the
detail of the job, can't articulate coherent answers to job related
questions, would you hire him for a job as an executive?"
Unfortunately, after the elections of 2008 and 2012, America's electorate made it clear that their answer to this question is a resounding YES.
detail of the job, can't articulate coherent answers to job related
questions, would you hire him for a job as an executive?"
Unfortunately, after the elections of 2008 and 2012, America's electorate made it clear that their answer to this question is a resounding YES.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (noWW6)
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Using blackmail to secure a nomination is a sign of confidence in our position!
Posted by: I used to hawk Trump Vodka at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (hsjaJ)
Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (0cMkb)
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Source of previous quote: http://millercenter.org/president/biography/jefferson-campaigns-and-elections
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (huFcq)
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None of which is relevant today.
Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
Name a single instance in your lifetime in which a candidate failed to get a majority of delegates and about a third of the vote and was still appointed the nominee for the party.
Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
Name a single instance in your lifetime in which a candidate failed to get a majority of delegates and about a third of the vote and was still appointed the nominee for the party.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (OHyGW)
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Remember, the enemy is Hillary.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (mBYZv)
The masturbatory Intellectuals can't seem to grasp that fact
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (mBYZv)
The masturbatory Intellectuals can't seem to grasp that fact
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (V/InG)
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And Cruz. He just mentioned this too. Apparently, when he's not playing head cheerleader for Obamatrade, he's a Trumpkin. Apparently.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (0IhFx)
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Hell Cruz just got done saying that there will be a "revolt" if it isn't him or Trump with the nomination.
Cruz is now inciting revolution.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (0IhFx)
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Hell Cruz just got done saying that there will be a "revolt" if it isn't him or Trump with the nomination.
Cruz is now inciting revolution.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 02:57 PM (LXJ1e)
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Ah use Democratic party rules? Your a
funny guy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05,
2016 02:47 PM (V/InG)
First off, sould = should in my post,
and your = you're in your post. Amazing how one comes to rely on
those squiggly red lines in a word processor.
To your point, to me this has crossed a
line. It is the second time something illegal has been proposed or suggested by the Trump campaign if
Trump does not get his way. I'm not seeing how the party in good
conscience can allow him to even get a floor vote.
Ah use Democratic party rules? Your a
funny guy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05,
2016 02:47 PM (V/InG)
First off, sould = should in my post,
and your = you're in your post. Amazing how one comes to rely on
those squiggly red lines in a word processor.
To your point, to me this has crossed a
line. It is the second time something illegal has been proposed or suggested by the Trump campaign if
Trump does not get his way. I'm not seeing how the party in good
conscience can allow him to even get a floor vote.
Posted by: mov at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (kUmUV)
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this is that reset button. instead of Russia it the citizens. back to gangs of NY except now it's gangs of US.
Posted by: ok at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (I0sxh)
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And Cruz. He just mentioned this too. Apparently,
when he's not playing head cheerleader for Obamatrade, he's a Trumpkin.
Apparently.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (0IhFx)
When did Cruz say that?
when he's not playing head cheerleader for Obamatrade, he's a Trumpkin.
Apparently.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 02:56 PM (0IhFx)
When did Cruz say that?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (+B4Qh)
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (0IhFx)
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Stone is a long time political animal. An attack dog for his candidates.
I heard about him on Rush show last summer when he was fired or quit Trump campaign.
Sounds like he's still working for him.
I heard about him on Rush show last summer when he was fired or quit Trump campaign.
Sounds like he's still working for him.
Posted by: Carol at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (sj3Ax)
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People do remember what happened after Lincoln was elected, right?
*steps back*
*tosses a longbow in *
*runs away*
*steps back*
*tosses a longbow in *
*runs away*
Posted by: @votermom at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (nbrY/)
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Are Trumpkins what psychopaths see when they don't take their Meds?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
They wreck airplanes.
http://tinyurl.com/z6llvm6
Are Trumpkins what psychopaths see when they don't take their Meds?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
They wreck airplanes.
http://tinyurl.com/z6llvm6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
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My guess is that if neither Trump nor Cruz are nominated at the convention, GOP presidential vote totals will be about 35-40 million total.
In other words, a 50 state Democrat blowout, and absolute carnage downballot for the GOP. They will be able to caucus in a broom closet. Statehouses will change hands.
In other words, a 50 state Democrat blowout, and absolute carnage downballot for the GOP. They will be able to caucus in a broom closet. Statehouses will change hands.
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2016 02:59 PM (v0YLX)
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GoK: "...let's try to remember that we're all on the same team."
Which team is that, Kari? Team Republican? I guess we'll play by the Republican Party's rules then. Don't like those? Start your own fucking team.
Sure as shit isn't Team Conservative. Nothing remotely conservative about Trump; his supporters here have gleefully announced the failure of conservatism while Trumpeting populist (weak-kneed socialist) Free Shit Army-ism and defending Trump's hard-left line on baby butchery and Kelo crony capitalism.
Which team is that, Kari? Team Republican? I guess we'll play by the Republican Party's rules then. Don't like those? Start your own fucking team.
Sure as shit isn't Team Conservative. Nothing remotely conservative about Trump; his supporters here have gleefully announced the failure of conservatism while Trumpeting populist (weak-kneed socialist) Free Shit Army-ism and defending Trump's hard-left line on baby butchery and Kelo crony capitalism.
Posted by: Pastafarian at April 05, 2016 02:59 PM (LqrRo)
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"Remember Santorum hanging around long after it was impossible for him to win in 2012?"
Rick was trying to cue himself up for a triumphant 2016 return engagement.
Eh, not so much.
Rick was trying to cue himself up for a triumphant 2016 return engagement.
Eh, not so much.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 05, 2016 02:59 PM (noWW6)
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Sounds like a Trump admin would be a rerun of The Sopranos.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (U6f54)
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One, there will be a riot no matter what bc of democrats. That is what they do at conventions.
Two, if a party plays dirty there should be civil disobedience.
One, there will be a riot no matter what bc of democrats. That is what they do at conventions.
Two, if a party plays dirty there should be civil disobedience.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (P/8aq)
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The whole "Establishment will subvert the will of
the voters and install Ryan as the nominee" narrative is just scaremongering from the Trumpkins.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (+B4Qh)
LOL. The Vichy GOP has been subverting the will of the voters consistently and in the most unmistakable terms since 2011. (That was after they had been doing that shit in 2006-2007 and got the snot beat out of them to become a total pariah that NO ONE liked)
The Vichy GOP has been working in the interests of illegals more than for any American conservative.
the voters and install Ryan as the nominee" narrative is just scaremongering from the Trumpkins.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (+B4Qh)
LOL. The Vichy GOP has been subverting the will of the voters consistently and in the most unmistakable terms since 2011. (That was after they had been doing that shit in 2006-2007 and got the snot beat out of them to become a total pariah that NO ONE liked)
The Vichy GOP has been working in the interests of illegals more than for any American conservative.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (zc3Db)
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I'm to the point now where I want to see a good blood-letting.
It's also hard to threaten anymore when your guy is consistently losing a landslide in polling against the worst Democrat ever to be a nominee.
We need the tards to form their own party if they really think Donald is the only hope for this country.
It's also hard to threaten anymore when your guy is consistently losing a landslide in polling against the worst Democrat ever to be a nominee.
We need the tards to form their own party if they really think Donald is the only hope for this country.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (BILR8)
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>>>191 For a minute I thought you were talking about Cruz, then you said "he's actually pretty terrible."
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
Cruz is a career politician and a lawyer. Personally, he is just as awful as the rest of them & now it looking more and more likely that he did cheat on his wife. *Politically* he has more stated conservative views I'm w/ you 100% about that. But personally, he is just as awful as Trump and the rest of them.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
Cruz is a career politician and a lawyer. Personally, he is just as awful as the rest of them & now it looking more and more likely that he did cheat on his wife. *Politically* he has more stated conservative views I'm w/ you 100% about that. But personally, he is just as awful as Trump and the rest of them.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (10hEu)
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Are Trumpkins what psychopaths see when they don't take their Meds?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
They wreck airplanes.
http://tinyurl.com/z6llvm6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
Good one..I like that. Thanks
Posted by: Nevergiveup
They wreck airplanes.
http://tinyurl.com/z6llvm6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
Good one..I like that. Thanks
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (V/InG)
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#NotTrump is an unprecedented attack by establishment party figures against their own front runner
actually, it is an effort by principled conservatives to stand up for actual conservative values, not ignorant demagogic populist blather
actually, it is an effort by principled conservatives to stand up for actual conservative values, not ignorant demagogic populist blather
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (+B4Qh)
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131 Meanwhile noted cuck Roger and Trump make hit lists and build the theater show for victimhood.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (OHyGW)
Hello newbie bob with the unrecognized hash.
Are you planning on using "cuck" a lot?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Probably whenever a "cuck" is not using him.
Posted by: bob at April 05, 2016 02:40 PM (OHyGW)
Hello newbie bob with the unrecognized hash.
Are you planning on using "cuck" a lot?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Probably whenever a "cuck" is not using him.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (kfcYC)
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I LOVE the under-educated!
Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (TnP/y)
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210
Who is the bigger asshole?
A) Roger Stone
B) David Brock
You're in Goatse territory with the those giant assholes
Who is the bigger asshole?
A) Roger Stone
B) David Brock
You're in Goatse territory with the those giant assholes
Posted by: wooga at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (n5VsB)
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That the delegates are really just numbers belonging to the person who won them in the primaries. A way to unstick a convention where no one has a majority and the candidates, themselves, can't come to any resolution should only come into play after some time or a reasonable number of "votes". But to throw the whole thing out the window after one vote is crazy, and I think everyone knows this, deep down.
How many votes then? If delegates are bound until a particular round of voting, how does it matter if it's round 2 or round 10? Assume that no candidate is going to take one for the team. How would you know that no such resolution is going to happen?
I'm not being snarky...I'm honestly asking.
How many votes then? If delegates are bound until a particular round of voting, how does it matter if it's round 2 or round 10? Assume that no candidate is going to take one for the team. How would you know that no such resolution is going to happen?
I'm not being snarky...I'm honestly asking.
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (PFy0L)
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I'm a Cruz guy, but if the nomination isn't Ted or Donald what the f was all this voting and debates if someone is just going to ignore all that and pick someone.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (1J6E6)
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(Drops grenade, leaves)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (wB8Tg)
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When do we get the new Horst Wessell lyrics?
Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (zLDYs)
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Out lifetime experience is that we vote in the
primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got
the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
No our lifetime experience is that the rules HAVE ALWAYS SAID you have to have a majority to win. The fact that we have not had a contested convention in decades does not change that rule and suddenly allow 40% of the voters to dictate to the other 60%.
primary and the leader of the primary, frequently also the guy who got
the most votes, gets the nomination.
Any other outcome deligitimizes the gop as an entity.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 02:51 PM (ZbV+0)
No our lifetime experience is that the rules HAVE ALWAYS SAID you have to have a majority to win. The fact that we have not had a contested convention in decades does not change that rule and suddenly allow 40% of the voters to dictate to the other 60%.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:02 PM (3JA/M)
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Which team is that, Kari?
Yeah I"d like to know as well what "team" I'm supposed to be on. Team Trump? Hell no.
Yeah I"d like to know as well what "team" I'm supposed to be on. Team Trump? Hell no.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 03:02 PM (+B4Qh)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 05, 2016 03:02 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:02 PM (RcpcZ)
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"9 Ace, I think you're letting your imagination get the better of you.
The room number information will be given out just for some prank wake-up calls and maybe a room service pizza delivery or two.
Posted by: Furious George"
Ahem....
The room number information will be given out just for some prank wake-up calls and maybe a room service pizza delivery or two.
Posted by: Furious George"
Ahem....
Posted by: Erin Andrews at April 05, 2016 03:02 PM (OD2ni)
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To be fair, isn't Trump just making public what is already common place. If a non-elite challenged authority, we would be subject to IRS audits (police raids in Wisconsin) and other underhanded things that would probably cause much more damage to a person. Two wrongs here don't make a right, but I'm under absolutely no delusion that this shit doesn't happen if Cruz or Jeb or Ryan or Sanders or Hillary is president. The only difference is we don't see or hear about it.
Posted by: Big D at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (SPmlI)
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I saw link at HA that trump camp is in disarray. It opened to Politico & I returned to HA.
Posted by: Carol at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (sj3Ax)
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Burkean Trustee
Is the argument that people voted for delegates to vote for the best presidential candidate?
Rather than voting, "Trump/Cruz/Kasich"?
Is the argument that people voted for delegates to vote for the best presidential candidate?
Rather than voting, "Trump/Cruz/Kasich"?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (uURQL)
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I'm a Cruz guy, but if the nomination isn't Ted or
Donald what the f was all this voting and debates if someone is just
going to ignore all that and pick someone.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (1J6E6)
It is going to be Cruz or Trump... Trump is just angry that his not majority wins don't make him the crown prince.
Donald what the f was all this voting and debates if someone is just
going to ignore all that and pick someone.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (1J6E6)
It is going to be Cruz or Trump... Trump is just angry that his not majority wins don't make him the crown prince.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (3JA/M)
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Only because in our lifetime somebody got the needed delegates to win the nomination. Remember Santorum hanging around long after it was impossible for him to win in 2012? It was even impossible for him to stop Romney but he hung around because Romney had not technically reached the threshold.
It was a dumb and selfish stunt but I don't remember a lot of people whining about it then. If Trump wants the nomination then he needs to get the delegates. Simple as that.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 02:54 PM (/5Tau)
Actually I believe Ford didn't quite have enough delegates going into the 1976 convention. There's was a lot of intrigue on the part of the Reagan and Ford campaigns but eventually the party leaders gave their uncommitted delegates over to Ford before the first ballot since they figured he would eventually win anyway and it would look better to have a nominee on the first ballot.
It was a dumb and selfish stunt but I don't remember a lot of people whining about it then. If Trump wants the nomination then he needs to get the delegates. Simple as that.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 02:54 PM (/5Tau)
Actually I believe Ford didn't quite have enough delegates going into the 1976 convention. There's was a lot of intrigue on the part of the Reagan and Ford campaigns but eventually the party leaders gave their uncommitted delegates over to Ford before the first ballot since they figured he would eventually win anyway and it would look better to have a nominee on the first ballot.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (wqVD1)
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"I'm not seeing how the party in good conscience can allow him to even get a floor vote."
1) they don't have a conscience
2) no longer a country of laws
3) violence works
Till we get rule-of-law back we get this.
Free Jon Corzine. (ow that's right. he has not been charged with anything. even riding in a car without using a seat belt. we need more dumb ass law breakers like him in charge.)
1) they don't have a conscience
2) no longer a country of laws
3) violence works
Till we get rule-of-law back we get this.
Free Jon Corzine. (ow that's right. he has not been charged with anything. even riding in a car without using a seat belt. we need more dumb ass law breakers like him in charge.)
Posted by: ok at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (HSAmh)
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163 Protesters will respect a half-mile quarantine? No infiltrations, no attacking buses and cars, no rushing the barricades? BLM and the Soros goons have said, plainly, that they will be going full force at the convention.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (mBYZv)
If there's a God in heaven the GOPe convention attendees will all be armed to the teeth. I'd like to see a end to this farce worthy of a Tarantino production.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 05, 2016 02:47 PM (mBYZv)
If there's a God in heaven the GOPe convention attendees will all be armed to the teeth. I'd like to see a end to this farce worthy of a Tarantino production.
Posted by: the Butcher at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (AGJqR)
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Says you. The rules and history say differently. You can disagree if you want to.
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Maet, do you think there is any tolerance in the general electorate for a candidate selected by the party elders after throwing out the results of the primary vote in which many of us voted, in places at general election turnout levels, and in most if not all cases, *paid for by state taxpayers*?
The gope and its supporters can cry 'rules' all they want, but that doesn't affect the public relations problem they exascerbate while doing so.
I doubt I am the only person around whole will vote a straight D ticket to punish them if anyone other than Trump or Cruz are the nominee. But then I care more. There are going to be plenty more people who say 'Hey my vote didn't count in the primary, no reason to bother doing it again in November".
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Maet, do you think there is any tolerance in the general electorate for a candidate selected by the party elders after throwing out the results of the primary vote in which many of us voted, in places at general election turnout levels, and in most if not all cases, *paid for by state taxpayers*?
The gope and its supporters can cry 'rules' all they want, but that doesn't affect the public relations problem they exascerbate while doing so.
I doubt I am the only person around whole will vote a straight D ticket to punish them if anyone other than Trump or Cruz are the nominee. But then I care more. There are going to be plenty more people who say 'Hey my vote didn't count in the primary, no reason to bother doing it again in November".
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (ZbV+0)
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>>Cruz is a career politician and a lawyer. Personally, he is just as
awful as the rest of them now it looking more and more likely that
he did cheat on his wife.
Thank God Trump never cheated on his wives.
awful as the rest of them now it looking more and more likely that
he did cheat on his wife.
Thank God Trump never cheated on his wives.
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (TJCSB)
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(Drops grenade, leaves)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (wB8Tg)
Hey Mero! I think you forgot to pull the pin!
*tink*
There!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 05, 2016 03:01 PM (wB8Tg)
Hey Mero! I think you forgot to pull the pin!
*tink*
There!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Mortimer at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (nVQ5J)
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It is going to be Cruz or Trump... Trump is just angry that his not majority wins don't make him the crown prince.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (3JA/M)
You don't know that. If nobody wins on the first Ballot, all bets are off.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (3JA/M)
You don't know that. If nobody wins on the first Ballot, all bets are off.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:05 PM (V/InG)
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My takeaway from all of this is that the Trump campaign is doing the delegate math and realizing they are going to come up short.
This is their go to method for getting what they want, throw a tantrum.
At least it is consistent.
This is their go to method for getting what they want, throw a tantrum.
At least it is consistent.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:05 PM (wW1da)
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"Stone is a long time political animal. An attack dog for his candidates.
I heard about him on Rush show last summer when he was fired or quit Trump campaign.
Sounds like he's still working for him.
Posted by: Carol"
Someone wrote at NRO at the time that was likely a ruse to give Trump "distance" when Stone goes too far. That seems right.
I heard about him on Rush show last summer when he was fired or quit Trump campaign.
Sounds like he's still working for him.
Posted by: Carol"
Someone wrote at NRO at the time that was likely a ruse to give Trump "distance" when Stone goes too far. That seems right.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 05, 2016 03:06 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Carol at April 05, 2016 03:06 PM (sj3Ax)
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But this is all the inevitable consequence of the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. This IS the political world that the radical Left made, we are all just living in the fermented wreckage.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (593ad)
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You are trying to argue for delegates being strictly
bound on all N ballots on exactly whom their voters directed them to
vote for, even if they were selected all the way back in January or
February before new information arrived? So Jeb! delegates should vote
for Jeb! on every ballot?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (+B4Qh)
Not to mention, if all delegates were always bound, the 2nd ballot would be just like the 1st, the 3rd would be just like the 2nd, the 4th would be just like the 3rd, etc. Leaving the choice up to the unbound delegates alone. If I were a state party, I would cancel the primary for the 2020 elections, in that case, and make all degeates unbound so that the fact of being a delegate meant something. He wants this to be the electoral college with no provision for throwing the election into the House of Representatives.
bound on all N ballots on exactly whom their voters directed them to
vote for, even if they were selected all the way back in January or
February before new information arrived? So Jeb! delegates should vote
for Jeb! on every ballot?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:49 PM (+B4Qh)
Not to mention, if all delegates were always bound, the 2nd ballot would be just like the 1st, the 3rd would be just like the 2nd, the 4th would be just like the 3rd, etc. Leaving the choice up to the unbound delegates alone. If I were a state party, I would cancel the primary for the 2020 elections, in that case, and make all degeates unbound so that the fact of being a delegate meant something. He wants this to be the electoral college with no provision for throwing the election into the House of Representatives.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (5f5bM)
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>>Actually I believe Ford didn't quite have enough delegates going into the 1976 convention. There's was a lot of intrigue on the part of the Reagan and Ford campaigns but eventually the party leaders gave their uncommitted delegates over to Ford before the first ballot since they figured he would eventually win anyway and it would look better to have a nominee on the first ballot.
I think you're correct.
I think you're correct.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (/5Tau)
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If there's a God in heaven the GOPe convention attendees will all be armed to the teeth. I'd like to see a end to this farce worthy of a Tarantino production.
yeah that's rational
yeah that's rational
Posted by: brak at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (MJuTN)
Posted by: Darth AmishDood at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (nVQ5J)
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>>>269
Thank God Trump never cheated on his wives.
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (TJCSB)
Yes Trump did & likely Cruz did too.
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Thank God Trump never cheated on his wives.
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (TJCSB)
Yes Trump did & likely Cruz did too.
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
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Maet, do you think there is any tolerance in the general electorate for a candidate selected by the party elders after throwing out the results of the primary vote in which many of us voted, in places at general election turnout levels, and in most if not all cases, *paid for by state taxpayers*?
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I think you are conflating GOPe and party elders with the delegates, which are more rank and file. I think that is a mistake. Not to say that the GOPe may not be able to exert influence on the delegates, but the delegates won't simply just do what the GOPe, particularly if many are loyal to Cruz.
But if the electorate doesn't tolerate it then the GOP will lose. That is a risk the GOP will have to face if it comes to that. But it all depends on who the delegates select (if not Trump or Cruz) and what their (Trump and Cruz) reactions are.
I would enthusiastically vote for a Perry or Walker and would vote for a Ryan (if not enthusiastically).
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I think you are conflating GOPe and party elders with the delegates, which are more rank and file. I think that is a mistake. Not to say that the GOPe may not be able to exert influence on the delegates, but the delegates won't simply just do what the GOPe, particularly if many are loyal to Cruz.
But if the electorate doesn't tolerate it then the GOP will lose. That is a risk the GOP will have to face if it comes to that. But it all depends on who the delegates select (if not Trump or Cruz) and what their (Trump and Cruz) reactions are.
I would enthusiastically vote for a Perry or Walker and would vote for a Ryan (if not enthusiastically).
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:08 PM (gmeXX)
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262 I saw link at HA that trump camp is in disarray. It opened to Politico I returned to HA.
Posted by: Carol at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (sj3Ax)
Good move.
I won't click HA links anymore so I searched for this story on Bing. The only other site running it is David Brock's Media Matters.
http://tinyurl.com/j3ghqa2
262 I saw link at HA that trump camp is in disarray. It opened to Politico I returned to HA.
Posted by: Carol at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (sj3Ax)
Good move.
I won't click HA links anymore so I searched for this story on Bing. The only other site running it is David Brock's Media Matters.
http://tinyurl.com/j3ghqa2
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:08 PM (RcpcZ)
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>>>This is their go to method for getting what they want, throw a tantrum.
Second look at Veruca Salt?
>>>This is their go to method for getting what they want, throw a tantrum.
Second look at Veruca Salt?
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (TnP/y)
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>>That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
I would dispute that Cruz is a horrible person. He seems like a pretty nice guy if a little odd.
I would dispute that Cruz is a horrible person. He seems like a pretty nice guy if a little odd.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (/5Tau)
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I'm wondering about the inevitable dox/SWAT/telephone death threat game from Trump's alt-right chan fans. Hope RNC/Cruz is prepared for it.
Posted by: someone at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (04yCz)
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>>>LOL. The Vichy GOP has been subverting the will of the voters consistently and in the most unmistakable terms since 2011. (That was after they had been doing that shit in 2006-2007 and got the snot beat out of them to become a total pariah that NO ONE liked)
The Vichy GOP has been working in the interests of illegals more than for any American conservative.
I find it odd that anyone who can support Trump would call the GOP or ("GOPe") the Vichy Party given: a) what replaced the Vichy and; b) what. particular movement people are comparing Trump and his cronies to.
>>>LOL. The Vichy GOP has been subverting the will of the voters consistently and in the most unmistakable terms since 2011. (That was after they had been doing that shit in 2006-2007 and got the snot beat out of them to become a total pariah that NO ONE liked)
The Vichy GOP has been working in the interests of illegals more than for any American conservative.
I find it odd that anyone who can support Trump would call the GOP or ("GOPe") the Vichy Party given: a) what replaced the Vichy and; b) what. particular movement people are comparing Trump and his cronies to.
Posted by: taylork at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (Mc50e)
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I will gladly vote for Trump or Cruz, whichever one is nominated.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (Fmupd)
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"34
Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (X6fMO)
OK, you must have a magic formula, 'cause for the life of me I can't tell which is which anymore.
Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (X6fMO)
OK, you must have a magic formula, 'cause for the life of me I can't tell which is which anymore.
Posted by: West at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Carol at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (sj3Ax)
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Stone's threat is a thinly-veiled call to action for political violence. Sending Trump protestors who are called to the convention city for a "Day of Rage" to the hotel rooms of individual delegates is beyond thuggery. Its a call for the physical intimidation of GOP delegates as part of a political strategy. With all due respect to Godwin and his law, when your tactics really do resemble those of the supporters of well-known Austrian Herr Schickelgruber, then they should be called out as such.
Objection: is there any evidence that Renfield Stone is proposing this "should happen" under any sort of direction, or merely hoping to (continue) currying favor? Or is there actual evidence of a full paramilitary planning operations organization with full collaboration between all? The comparison only goes so far.
Further, or Fuehrer, is suggesting a "day of rage" should occur if someone else was selected the same as suggesting that weaker-kneed delegates be harassed into staying the course? It's unacceptable in either case, but I don't think it's an endorsement of a mob storming the rooms and dragging out the delegates like you seem to think. Pressure first, riot after if at all. No window-smashing.
Finally and simply, this is union thug shit. Complaints on those terms are reasonable, going Godwin at the drop of a hat less so.
Objection: is there any evidence that Renfield Stone is proposing this "should happen" under any sort of direction, or merely hoping to (continue) currying favor? Or is there actual evidence of a full paramilitary planning operations organization with full collaboration between all? The comparison only goes so far.
Further, or Fuehrer, is suggesting a "day of rage" should occur if someone else was selected the same as suggesting that weaker-kneed delegates be harassed into staying the course? It's unacceptable in either case, but I don't think it's an endorsement of a mob storming the rooms and dragging out the delegates like you seem to think. Pressure first, riot after if at all. No window-smashing.
Finally and simply, this is union thug shit. Complaints on those terms are reasonable, going Godwin at the drop of a hat less so.
Posted by: Sporkatus at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (HtLSE)
Posted by: Brunnhilde at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (aW5/6)
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There are going to be plenty more people who say
'Hey my vote didn't count in the primary, no reason to bother doing it
again in November".
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (ZbV+0)
And many of them have Bernie stickers on their cars and bicycles. That is why the GOP nomination matters.
'Hey my vote didn't count in the primary, no reason to bother doing it
again in November".
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:04 PM (ZbV+0)
And many of them have Bernie stickers on their cars and bicycles. That is why the GOP nomination matters.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (5f5bM)
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Yes Trump did & likely Cruz did too.
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
You have absolutely no proof Cruz ever cheated on his wife and your the authority on who is and who is not classified as "awful humans" ? Yeah i don't think so
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
You have absolutely no proof Cruz ever cheated on his wife and your the authority on who is and who is not classified as "awful humans" ? Yeah i don't think so
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (V/InG)
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Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Fcukin politicians... How do they work?
Fcukin politicians... How do they work?
Posted by: Insane Burning Clown Boner Posse at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (nVQ5J)
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How many votes then? If delegates are bound until a particular round of voting, how does it matter if it's round 2 or round 10? Assume that no candidate is going to take one for the team. How would you know that no such resolution is going to happen?
I'm not being snarky...I'm honestly asking.
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (PFy0L)
Pick a number. You have to give the candidates time to negotiate, and more than a single negotiation. This isn't really that tough. Sure, no system that needs to force a majority vote out of a collection of groups - none of which hold a majority - will be totally fair but there is a huge difference between reasonable procedures and "one vote and then all bets are off".
But, GOP rules are GOP rules. I am not arguing that they aren't allowed to have whatever retarded rules they choose. It doesn't matter to me, anyway. The only way the GOP is getting a vote from me is if Trump is running. Anyone else and I'm not voting GOP. Before Trump I wasn't going to vote GOP, at all.
I had my fill of the GOP in Jan 2013 after the Mittens disaster and then the unreal re-election of the Weeping Boner. That was just too much for me. Way too much.
I'm not being snarky...I'm honestly asking.
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:00 PM (PFy0L)
Pick a number. You have to give the candidates time to negotiate, and more than a single negotiation. This isn't really that tough. Sure, no system that needs to force a majority vote out of a collection of groups - none of which hold a majority - will be totally fair but there is a huge difference between reasonable procedures and "one vote and then all bets are off".
But, GOP rules are GOP rules. I am not arguing that they aren't allowed to have whatever retarded rules they choose. It doesn't matter to me, anyway. The only way the GOP is getting a vote from me is if Trump is running. Anyone else and I'm not voting GOP. Before Trump I wasn't going to vote GOP, at all.
I had my fill of the GOP in Jan 2013 after the Mittens disaster and then the unreal re-election of the Weeping Boner. That was just too much for me. Way too much.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:10 PM (zc3Db)
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#NotTrump is an unprecedented attack by establishment party figures against their own front runner
actually,
it is an effort by principled conservatives to stand up for actual
conservative values, not ignorant demagogic populist blather
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Yeah, no, I don't believe anyone who held their nose for McCain or Romney but now opposes Trump has any principles to stand for.
actually,
it is an effort by principled conservatives to stand up for actual
conservative values, not ignorant demagogic populist blather
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Yeah, no, I don't believe anyone who held their nose for McCain or Romney but now opposes Trump has any principles to stand for.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:10 PM (ZbV+0)
298
You mean like how the GOPe winked at the use of the IRS against the Tea Party?
Like how they wink at militarized police terrorizing civilians?
Like how they wink at a worthless VA system?
Like how they repeatedly fucked over the winners of Republican primaries?
Like how they winked at ramming through an asshole who couldn't be bothered to live in Kansas?
Like how they won't stop people from being molested by the TSA, but they WILL stop light bulbs?
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All you need to know: the Chris McDaniels primary.
Like how they wink at militarized police terrorizing civilians?
Like how they wink at a worthless VA system?
Like how they repeatedly fucked over the winners of Republican primaries?
Like how they winked at ramming through an asshole who couldn't be bothered to live in Kansas?
Like how they won't stop people from being molested by the TSA, but they WILL stop light bulbs?
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All you need to know: the Chris McDaniels primary.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:10 PM (Nwg0u)
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I think having open primaries really (and inappropriately) blurs the lines here between a primary election and a general election.
Probably the best reform would be to eliminate open primaries and have the ballot list the names of the delegates, not the presidential candidate. Let the delegates campaign for their preferred candidates in the primaries. That would do much more to enforce accountability than threats of violence from a has been political hack.
Probably the best reform would be to eliminate open primaries and have the ballot list the names of the delegates, not the presidential candidate. Let the delegates campaign for their preferred candidates in the primaries. That would do much more to enforce accountability than threats of violence from a has been political hack.
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:10 PM (PFy0L)
300
I want the Nomination and I want it NOW, Daddy!
Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at April 05, 2016 03:10 PM (TnP/y)
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It is going to be Cruz or Trump... Trump is just angry that his not majority wins don't make him the crown prince.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (3JA/M)
I doubt it will be either of the two, unless they make it onto the ticket as the VP candidate. Neither candidate has the math behind them to win the nomination outright, which means a spoiler will be introduced. The best way to get the disaffected voters to swallow that pill is to get one of the two on the official ticket as VP.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:03 PM (3JA/M)
I doubt it will be either of the two, unless they make it onto the ticket as the VP candidate. Neither candidate has the math behind them to win the nomination outright, which means a spoiler will be introduced. The best way to get the disaffected voters to swallow that pill is to get one of the two on the official ticket as VP.
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (0IhFx)
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On the other side of things, I just saw that hillary said a child 1 minute before birth has no rights. That seems to me to be Todd Akin level of radicalism, but she will doubtful receive much problem or note from the press.
On the other side of things, I just saw that hillary said a child 1 minute before birth has no rights. That seems to me to be Todd Akin level of radicalism, but she will doubtful receive much problem or note from the press.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (ODxAs)
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"That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution"
Why is Cruz an awful human? Asking sincerely.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution"
Why is Cruz an awful human? Asking sincerely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (OD2ni)
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There's also a certain logic in if Trump can't figure out how to win the nomination despite coming in 1st, he's going to lose badly regardless.
Remember, Trump is too smart to do any homework but will have the "best" people on this.
The guy really does think his Twitter account will make him President.
Remember, Trump is too smart to do any homework but will have the "best" people on this.
The guy really does think his Twitter account will make him President.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (BILR8)
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (PFy0L)
306
237
Are Trumpkins what psychopaths see when they don't take their Meds?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
They wreck airplanes.
http://tinyurl.com/z6llvm6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
LOL!
Are Trumpkins what psychopaths see when they don't take their Meds?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
They wreck airplanes.
http://tinyurl.com/z6llvm6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
LOL!
Posted by: rickl at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (zoehZ)
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155: "...we don't riot when we don't get our way."
This may be one of the reasons we keep losing.
This may be one of the reasons we keep losing.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (UPYPp)
308
286
I'm wondering about the inevitable dox/SWAT/telephone death threat game
from Trump's alt-right chan fans. Hope RNC/Cruz is prepared for it.
Posted by: someone at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (04yCz)
Wait for the bomb threats to be called in at the convention. If not actual bombs.
I'm wondering about the inevitable dox/SWAT/telephone death threat game
from Trump's alt-right chan fans. Hope RNC/Cruz is prepared for it.
Posted by: someone at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (04yCz)
Wait for the bomb threats to be called in at the convention. If not actual bombs.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (5f5bM)
309
can we stop pretending that Ace isn't a Hillary supporter now?
Posted by: Graver at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (xQgSp)
310
My takeaway from all of this is that the Trump campaign is doing the delegate math and realizing they are going to come up short.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:05 PM (wW1da)
I was just coming to the same conclusion. All of this bluster would be unnecessary if they could simply get to 1237 on the first ballot. Unfortunately, this seems to be their only Plan B.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:05 PM (wW1da)
I was just coming to the same conclusion. All of this bluster would be unnecessary if they could simply get to 1237 on the first ballot. Unfortunately, this seems to be their only Plan B.
Posted by: HTL at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (PI8Vq)
311
On the other side of things, I just saw that hillary said a child 1 minute before birth has no rights. That seems to me to be Todd Akin level of radicalism, but she will doubtful receive much problem or note from the press.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (ODxAs)
Actually she is getting grief from the left for even saying the unborn is a child? What a fuck up world the left lives in
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (ODxAs)
Actually she is getting grief from the left for even saying the unborn is a child? What a fuck up world the left lives in
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (V/InG)
312
One tidbit I saw discussed is that the convention rules relevant to Rule 40b will be important to the various "white knight" scenarios being bandied about. If someone like Ryan can't be nominated, then the only choices will be Trump or Cruz. If the rule is modified to allow a lower threshhold, which is unlikely since Trump and Cruz delegates will be doing all the voting, then at worst you can only get nominees who have assigned delegates. So Trump, Cruz, Kasich, or Rubio are the only possible names that can end up at the top of the ticket.
Ryan/Romney/GOPe shill, and Trump running 3rd party are both outcomes that can't occur.
Ryan/Romney/GOPe shill, and Trump running 3rd party are both outcomes that can't occur.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (wW1da)
313
>>On the other side of things, I just saw that hillary said a child 1 minute before birth has no rights.
If she's not fully dilated, no rights were violated!
If she's not fully dilated, no rights were violated!
Posted by: Hillary Clinton's Yoga Pants at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (TnP/y)
314
It's a podcast cast from yesterday but on the radio morning program the segment is called The Monday Morning Match up with a Republican and a Democrat and the host (a Cruz guy by the way). The Republican said as the rules are written now it will be Trump or Cruz.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (1J6E6)
315
I want the Nomination and I want it NOW, Daddy!
That would be kinda cute if it were not the actual battle cry of every paid politician since around 1920.
That would be kinda cute if it were not the actual battle cry of every paid politician since around 1920.
Posted by: Mortimer at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (nVQ5J)
316
20
Winner of the fight between Trump, Cruz, and Kasich gets nominated.
Posted by: BacktoGA
I wager fifty quatloos on the oldcomer.
Posted by: Gamester of Triskelion at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (FkBIv)
100 quatloos on Beard
Winner of the fight between Trump, Cruz, and Kasich gets nominated.
Posted by: BacktoGA
I wager fifty quatloos on the oldcomer.
Posted by: Gamester of Triskelion at April 05, 2016 02:23 PM (FkBIv)
100 quatloos on Beard
Posted by: Drill Thrawl at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (DN9jO)
317
In Alabama we vote for the delegates by name.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:13 PM (Nwg0u)
319
Just because Trump's butt-buddy at the Enquirer carried little Marco Rubio's water and issued a factless "expose" of Cruz doesn't mean anyone with half a brain has to take it seriously. If anything, it reflects on Trump's shitbag Establishment toadies who write the headlines.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 05, 2016 03:14 PM (2cS/G)
320
307
155: "...we don't riot when we don't get our way."
This may be one of the reasons we keep losing.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (UPYPp)
I don't know what country you want to live in, but I don't want to live in an America where riots are a necessary part of the political process.
155: "...we don't riot when we don't get our way."
This may be one of the reasons we keep losing.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at April 05, 2016 03:12 PM (UPYPp)
I don't know what country you want to live in, but I don't want to live in an America where riots are a necessary part of the political process.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:14 PM (5f5bM)
321
I doubt it will be either of the two, unless they make it onto the ticket as the VP candidate.
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If I had to handicap the field, I would say Cruz 40%, Trump 25% and other 35%. So bet the field.
I give Cruz higher odds because it does not appear that Trump gets to the majority and if he does not, I don't see him getting the nomination at all. Cruz seemingly understands the delegate part of the process and is much better organized, so even if he doesn't get the nomination, he seems to have the most committed delegates and can persuade other delegates.
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If I had to handicap the field, I would say Cruz 40%, Trump 25% and other 35%. So bet the field.
I give Cruz higher odds because it does not appear that Trump gets to the majority and if he does not, I don't see him getting the nomination at all. Cruz seemingly understands the delegate part of the process and is much better organized, so even if he doesn't get the nomination, he seems to have the most committed delegates and can persuade other delegates.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:14 PM (gmeXX)
322
The guy really does think his Twitter account will make him President.
And you know what ?
It . Just. Might.
And you know what ?
It . Just. Might.
Posted by: Mortimer at April 05, 2016 03:14 PM (nVQ5J)
323
"290 Benji Carver,
I didn't know that, but expected he was secretly working for trump.
Posted by: Carol"
I thought it was tin foil stuff at the time, but it makes sense now.
I didn't know that, but expected he was secretly working for trump.
Posted by: Carol"
I thought it was tin foil stuff at the time, but it makes sense now.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Hop Singh at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (TnP/y)
325
Ace, you knew this would happen when you posted this, but it is about time to get the banhammer warmed up. We're getting close to the line.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (5f5bM)
326
Regardless of who our Establishment selected candidate is, I'm certain that when the GOP rolls out ORCA it'll put them well over the top for the general and victory will be ours. Hurrah!
Posted by: Fritz at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (UzPAd)
327
I give out my room number to Bears.
Posted by: Reggie at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (FXW24)
328
Why is Cruz an awful human? Asking sincerely.
When I see these statement made, I assume it is because he won't let Trump win.
When I see these statement made, I assume it is because he won't let Trump win.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (wW1da)
329
>>>285
I would dispute that Cruz is a horrible person. He seems like a pretty nice guy if a little odd.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (/5Tau)
If Cruz's name/number comes up in the DC madam's list then he is a liar and a hypocrite. Which is OK - I expect that of a politician. I don't like it when they pretend otherwise.
PS
I've mentioned before that I find Cruz personally VERY creepy on a visceral level (maybe he is mildly autistic or something? I don't know) BUT I would gladly vote for him in a general over the American hating Hillary.
I would dispute that Cruz is a horrible person. He seems like a pretty nice guy if a little odd.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (/5Tau)
If Cruz's name/number comes up in the DC madam's list then he is a liar and a hypocrite. Which is OK - I expect that of a politician. I don't like it when they pretend otherwise.
PS
I've mentioned before that I find Cruz personally VERY creepy on a visceral level (maybe he is mildly autistic or something? I don't know) BUT I would gladly vote for him in a general over the American hating Hillary.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:15 PM (10hEu)
330
When did Cruz say that?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (+B4Qh)]
You want me to detail all of Cruz' enthusiastic support of Obamatrade?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:58 PM (+B4Qh)]
You want me to detail all of Cruz' enthusiastic support of Obamatrade?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (0IhFx)
331
Where's Make America Great Again to explain to us infidels why Roger Stone is being taken completely out of context?
Where's Make America Great Again to explain to us infidels why Roger Stone is being taken completely out of context?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (p4UlV)
332
On the other side of things, I just saw that hillary said a child 1 minute before birth has no rights.
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And one minute after she has a constitutional right to an abortion.
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And one minute after she has a constitutional right to an abortion.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (Nwg0u)
333
actually,
it is an effort by principled conservatives to stand up for actual
conservative values, not ignorant demagogic populist blather
chemjeff
So, you have the membership list and you KNOW that the members are principled conservatives who are conservatively standing up for actual conservative values....conservatively speaking?
Would any of the leadership of the GOP be in this merry band of heroes?
Any proponents of Katshit perhaps?
Like how you KNEW that no one but (insert anti trump follower slur here) and suggested Ryan. Until you didn't. But it was that one guy, and he only delivered the mail, so he totally doesn't count.
it is an effort by principled conservatives to stand up for actual
conservative values, not ignorant demagogic populist blather
chemjeff
So, you have the membership list and you KNOW that the members are principled conservatives who are conservatively standing up for actual conservative values....conservatively speaking?
Would any of the leadership of the GOP be in this merry band of heroes?
Any proponents of Katshit perhaps?
Like how you KNEW that no one but (insert anti trump follower slur here) and suggested Ryan. Until you didn't. But it was that one guy, and he only delivered the mail, so he totally doesn't count.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (evdj2)
335
On the news this morning also heard this pass weekend there was a Pennsylvania conference of Republicans (delegates?) and they had a straw poll. Ted won in the 60's %, with Trump and Kasich around 20% each.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (1J6E6)
336
"Winner of the fight between Trump, Cruz, and Kasich gets nominated.
Posted by: BacktoGA"
I'll run those two jerks over with my dad's mail truck.
Posted by: BacktoGA"
I'll run those two jerks over with my dad's mail truck.
Posted by: John Kasich at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (UPYPp)
Posted by: seamrog at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (w+gwP)
339
I'm pulling the R level for whomever wins. A steamy pile of shit would be better than pResident Hillarity
Posted by: CSMBigBird at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (jsWA8)
340
>> I find Cruz personally VERY creepy on a visceral level
All Canadians are like that.
What, with their flappy heads and beady eyes.
All Canadians are like that.
What, with their flappy heads and beady eyes.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (TnP/y)
341
I don't know what country you want to live in, but I don't want to live in an America where riots are a necessary part of the political process.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:14 PM (5f5bM)
And I don't want to live in an Ameriica where the IRS punishes political speech, and the government funds the sale of baby parts, and shuts down businesses that refuse to violate their religious convictions... yet here we are.
America was built by people who rioted when the oppression grew too heavy. 1773
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:14 PM (5f5bM)
And I don't want to live in an Ameriica where the IRS punishes political speech, and the government funds the sale of baby parts, and shuts down businesses that refuse to violate their religious convictions... yet here we are.
America was built by people who rioted when the oppression grew too heavy. 1773
Posted by: @votermom at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (nbrY/)
342
This Stone guy has been a major hemorrhoid for decades.
Posted by: Buford Gooch at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (bOtTO)
343
289 "34
Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (X6fMO)
OK, you must have a magic formula, 'cause for the life of me I can't tell which is which anymore.
Posted by: West at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (1Rgee)
It is all in the eye of the beholder.
A lot of people are becoming psychotic sports fans over this campaign season. My team is great, yours is a bunch of lying cheaters.
Oh, boy. This thread really ought to bring out the supporters of Team Good Guy and Team Asshole.
I'll see you all tomorrow."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2016 02:26 PM (X6fMO)
OK, you must have a magic formula, 'cause for the life of me I can't tell which is which anymore.
Posted by: West at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (1Rgee)
It is all in the eye of the beholder.
A lot of people are becoming psychotic sports fans over this campaign season. My team is great, yours is a bunch of lying cheaters.
Posted by: rd at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (v0YLX)
344
I don't want to live in an America where riots are a necessary part of the political process.
oh God...just beyond parody.
Time to do something productive.
Later h8ters.
oh God...just beyond parody.
Time to do something productive.
Later h8ters.
Posted by: Mortimer at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (nVQ5J)
345
If via proper following of the rules both Trump and Cruz are denied the nomination, what shall come next?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (mR7Es)
346
330 You want me to detail all of Cruz' enthusiastic support of Obamatrade?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (0IhFx)
He quickly changed his position on that and called Mitch McConnell a liar. But, you see, Cruz changing a position means he's a shameful, opportunistic flip-flopper. But when Trump does it, it means he's "evolved" on it and is of course to be completely trusted.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (0IhFx)
He quickly changed his position on that and called Mitch McConnell a liar. But, you see, Cruz changing a position means he's a shameful, opportunistic flip-flopper. But when Trump does it, it means he's "evolved" on it and is of course to be completely trusted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (p4UlV)
347
If neither Trump nor Cruz win on the first ballot, then I hope that the GOP nominates Merrick Garland!
Posted by: Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (3GAnN)
348
"No one disputes that they are both awful humans."
No they are pretty nice humans.
They are awful Demigods.
Everyone keeps wanting their candidates to be
1) better morally than average successful people
2) someone who will fight dirty to further the voters interests
No they are pretty nice humans.
They are awful Demigods.
Everyone keeps wanting their candidates to be
1) better morally than average successful people
2) someone who will fight dirty to further the voters interests
Posted by: ok at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (I0sxh)
349
It would be a better "theft" for Cruz to ultimately be the nominee because it's MUCH harder to paint him as an Establishment hand picked guy.
Cruz though is a weak candidate, but he's got a better shot than Trump.
Cruz though is a weak candidate, but he's got a better shot than Trump.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (BILR8)
350
Why is Cruz an awful human? Asking sincerely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (OD2ni)
Rationalized a Bill Ayers supported riot, shutting down Trump rally; Cruz supporters then shocked, when, having the tactic validated, Trump alludes to it himself; NOW it's horrible and unthinkable.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (OD2ni)
Rationalized a Bill Ayers supported riot, shutting down Trump rally; Cruz supporters then shocked, when, having the tactic validated, Trump alludes to it himself; NOW it's horrible and unthinkable.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (huFcq)
351
You want me to detail all of Cruz' enthusiastic support of Obamatrade?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (0IhFx)
Really. Cruz was the main shill for TPA ... until it got to the actual vote and then he tried to pretend that he was so against it.
Cruz is not a dumb guy and to this day I still cannot figure out what the hell was going through his mind.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (0IhFx)
Really. Cruz was the main shill for TPA ... until it got to the actual vote and then he tried to pretend that he was so against it.
Cruz is not a dumb guy and to this day I still cannot figure out what the hell was going through his mind.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (zc3Db)
352
334 No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
I do.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (evdj2)
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I do too.
I do.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (evdj2)
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I do too.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (Fmupd)
353
Trump running 3rd party are both outcomes that can't occur.
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*cough*
National Write-In Campaign
*cough*
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*cough*
National Write-In Campaign
*cough*
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (ZbV+0)
354
349 It would be a better "theft" for Cruz to ultimately be the nominee because it's MUCH harder to paint him as an Establishment hand picked guy.
Cruz though is a weak candidate, but he's got a better shot than Trump.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (BILR
Cruz is stronger than Trump but neither is as weak as conventional wisdom makes them out to be.
Cruz though is a weak candidate, but he's got a better shot than Trump.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (BILR
Cruz is stronger than Trump but neither is as weak as conventional wisdom makes them out to be.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:19 PM (p4UlV)
355
I spent all morning dealing with the IRS. I suspect there's a whole lot more of that in my future if Hilary wins. I voted for Cruz in the IL primary, but I will gladly vote for Trump in the general if he gets the nod. Simple as that.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 05, 2016 03:19 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:19 PM (p4UlV)
357
>>National Write-In Campaign
Who is going to do the writing for all those under-educated Trump supporters?
Who is going to do the writing for all those under-educated Trump supporters?
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:19 PM (TnP/y)
358
I no nothing about any DC madame list, but anyone can have credit card fraud, loan fraud, car loan fraud, but a Madame's list must be 100% accurate.
(Rolls eyes)
(Rolls eyes)
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (1J6E6)
359
likely Cruz did too.
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
More BS innuendo.
Pictures or it didn't happen.
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
More BS innuendo.
Pictures or it didn't happen.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (3JA/M)
360
Re: HSAs imminent demise, is that only on the state exchanges, or are they going to f-them out of existence for everyone?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (SeD0w)
361
>>If Cruz's name/number comes up in the DC madam's list then he is a liar and a hypocrite. Which is OK - I expect that of a politician. I don't like it when they pretend otherwise.
Is that actually true or is it Trump true like the 5, count 'em 5, affairs which absolutely nobody can find an ounce of proof about?
You'd think that with all his political hatchet men and access to private investigators like the ones he dispatched to Hawaii and who Trump assured us would turn up big things about Obama's phony birth certificate (only they never did) we'd have some actual proof by now.
Is that actually true or is it Trump true like the 5, count 'em 5, affairs which absolutely nobody can find an ounce of proof about?
You'd think that with all his political hatchet men and access to private investigators like the ones he dispatched to Hawaii and who Trump assured us would turn up big things about Obama's phony birth certificate (only they never did) we'd have some actual proof by now.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (/5Tau)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (zc3Db)
363
355 Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 05, 2016 03:19 PM (kTF2Z)
I echo the sentiment, except the more I see and hear from Trump the more I'm going to say "Ho Lee Fook" when I pull that lever for him, if it comes to that.
I echo the sentiment, except the more I see and hear from Trump the more I'm going to say "Ho Lee Fook" when I pull that lever for him, if it comes to that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (p4UlV)
364
I'd rather nominate a really, really bad candidate than to have people think I wasn't doing my job.
Posted by: Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (3GAnN)
365
Isn't Roger Stone Oliver Stone's brother?.... Yeah, I'd punch 'em both.
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (sdxPm)
366
Aspiring engineer, 18, killed after homemade bottle rocket he made for high school physics project explodes in his hands
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Uh oh....
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Uh oh....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (iQIUe)
367
362 I do too.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (Fmupd)
Me, three.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (zc3Db)
6 more and we have a minyan. Me too, too, too.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 03:18 PM (Fmupd)
Me, three.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (zc3Db)
6 more and we have a minyan. Me too, too, too.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (p4UlV)
368
*cough*
National Write-In Campaign
*cough*
Posted by: Methos,
That's basically his last card to play, and then he's hated by 98% of America until the day he dies.
He could be a Nader and throw a tight election, but I'd rather take that risk than watch Democrats take every office nationwide with Trump at the top of the ticket.
National Write-In Campaign
*cough*
Posted by: Methos,
That's basically his last card to play, and then he's hated by 98% of America until the day he dies.
He could be a Nader and throw a tight election, but I'd rather take that risk than watch Democrats take every office nationwide with Trump at the top of the ticket.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (BILR8)
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (tf9Ne)
370
I echo the sentiment, except the more I see and hear from Trump the more I'm going to say "Ho Lee Fook" when I pull that lever for him, if it comes to that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (p4UlV)
You know my plan is to be bombed when I have to do that, but do it I will.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (p4UlV)
You know my plan is to be bombed when I have to do that, but do it I will.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (V/InG)
371
365 Isn't Roger Stone Oliver Stone's brother?.... Yeah, I'd punch 'em both.
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (sdxPm)
Sharon Stone. I'd hit it.
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (sdxPm)
Sharon Stone. I'd hit it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (p4UlV)
372
I no nothing about any DC madame list, but anyone can have credit card fraud, loan fraud, car loan fraud, but a Madame's list must be 100% accurate.
(Rolls eyes)
Posted by: Skip
yeah, this. And this isn't the first time that a hookers' book suddenly became the Writ of the land.
Why would anyone think this, unless it contained information that wasn't public?
(Rolls eyes)
Posted by: Skip
yeah, this. And this isn't the first time that a hookers' book suddenly became the Writ of the land.
Why would anyone think this, unless it contained information that wasn't public?
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (326rv)
373
If via proper following of the rules both Trump and Cruz are denied the nomination, what shall come next?
Le Deluge.
Le Deluge.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (evdj2)
374
He quickly changed his position on that and
called Mitch McConnell a liar. But, you see, Cruz changing a position
means he's a shameful, opportunistic flip-flopper. But when Trump does
it, it means he's "evolved" on it and is of course to be completely
trusted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (p4UlV)
He quickly changed his 'position' only after it was certain of being passed.
He quickly changed his position on that and
called Mitch McConnell a liar. But, you see, Cruz changing a position
means he's a shameful, opportunistic flip-flopper. But when Trump does
it, it means he's "evolved" on it and is of course to be completely
trusted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (p4UlV)
He quickly changed his 'position' only after it was certain of being passed.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (0IhFx)
375
If via proper following of the rules both Trump and Cruz are denied the nomination, what shall come next?
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Cue Clubber Lang
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Cue Clubber Lang
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (ZbV+0)
376
369 It'll never work.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (tf9Ne)
Write in plus massive cheating in AK did that, toots.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at April 05, 2016 03:21 PM (tf9Ne)
Write in plus massive cheating in AK did that, toots.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (p4UlV)
377
On the news this morning also heard this pass
weekend there was a Pennsylvania conference of Republicans (delegates?)
and they had a straw poll. Ted won in the 60's %, with Trump and Kasich
around 20% each.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (1J6E6)
Yep.
weekend there was a Pennsylvania conference of Republicans (delegates?)
and they had a straw poll. Ted won in the 60's %, with Trump and Kasich
around 20% each.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (1J6E6)
Yep.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (3JA/M)
378
a couple of points:
1) I just saw an article the other day saying that Cruz said if he or Trump doesn't get the nomination there could be riots - any truth to that? and if so, I will patiently await 2 months of pure vitriolic hatred from Ace towards Cruz's way.
2) IF your delegates are chosen by your enemies specifically to destroy your nomination chances, what are your choices in order to make sure they don't? That is short of killing them outright? It seems to me that lobbing a warning their way in order to make them think twice about what their masters are asking they do, would be a very simple and humane way to convince them otherwise.
1) I just saw an article the other day saying that Cruz said if he or Trump doesn't get the nomination there could be riots - any truth to that? and if so, I will patiently await 2 months of pure vitriolic hatred from Ace towards Cruz's way.
2) IF your delegates are chosen by your enemies specifically to destroy your nomination chances, what are your choices in order to make sure they don't? That is short of killing them outright? It seems to me that lobbing a warning their way in order to make them think twice about what their masters are asking they do, would be a very simple and humane way to convince them otherwise.
Posted by: doug at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (Cv9ic)
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>>Aspiring engineer, 18, killed after homemade bottle rocket he made for high school physics project explodes in his hands
If a lifetime of being a Super Genius has taught me anything, it's that ACME fuses are not to be trusted.
If a lifetime of being a Super Genius has taught me anything, it's that ACME fuses are not to be trusted.
Posted by: Wile E. Coyote at April 05, 2016 03:23 PM (TnP/y)
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When Ace stole this post from hot gas, I notice he didn't also steal the part noting this info was ALREADY public info.
Nothing to be surprised at by the Hillary supporter i guess
Nothing to be surprised at by the Hillary supporter i guess
Posted by: Graver at April 05, 2016 03:23 PM (xQgSp)
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This is the point where I shake my head sadly and express the wish that just one consistent conservative had gotten into the race at the outset.
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 05, 2016 03:23 PM (noWW6)
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Le Yuge Deluge.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:23 PM (TnP/y)
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On the other side of things, I just saw that hillary said a child 1 minute before birth has no rights. That seems to me to be Todd Akin level of radicalism, but she will doubtful receive much problem or note from the press.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (ODxAs)
Actually she is getting grief from the left for even saying the unborn is a child? What a fuck up world the left lives in
Burn the clip to dvd and play it for Hillz grandchild.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2016 03:11 PM (ODxAs)
Actually she is getting grief from the left for even saying the unborn is a child? What a fuck up world the left lives in
Burn the clip to dvd and play it for Hillz grandchild.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (NsI03)
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The only way to settle this come Convention time is a Cage Fight round robin event, with Megyn Kelly as the Emcee in that really high shouldered suit thing. Two men enter, one man leave. Are we ready for bet placing?
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (sdxPm)
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Gimme a break. So far, we've seen less violence at all the Trump events put together than you see at a single NFL game. It's irresponsible to put such propaganda out there.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (/q6+P)
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> Why is Cruz an awful human? Asking sincerely.
Ted Cruz Was a Smelly, Terrible Roommate
tinyurl.com/z2u89ms
Ted Cruz Is the World's Most Condescending Elitist
tinyurl.com/n5dexq7
Ted Cruz Was a Smelly, Terrible Roommate
tinyurl.com/z2u89ms
Ted Cruz Is the World's Most Condescending Elitist
tinyurl.com/n5dexq7
Posted by: Ted Cruz' Booger at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (IQI2h)
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In Pennsylvania we elect our delegates during the primary election.
Only 14 of of the 71 delegates are bound to vote for the winner of the primary.
But for Team Cruz/Brock this is totes cool.
In Pennsylvania we elect our delegates during the primary election.
Only 14 of of the 71 delegates are bound to vote for the winner of the primary.
But for Team Cruz/Brock this is totes cool.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (RcpcZ)
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374 He quickly changed his 'position' only after it was certain of being passed.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (0IhFx)
I'm not that cynical about Ted Cruz. His entire record taken on aggregate is stellar. And that's the measure.
But let's examine Mr. Trump's 40 year record, shall we? Whaddya say? Can't wait for Smoot Hawley 2!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2016 03:22 PM (0IhFx)
I'm not that cynical about Ted Cruz. His entire record taken on aggregate is stellar. And that's the measure.
But let's examine Mr. Trump's 40 year record, shall we? Whaddya say? Can't wait for Smoot Hawley 2!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (p4UlV)
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Just tell Melania what room I'm in, please.
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (HgMAr)
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@385 "Gimme a break. So far, we've seen less violence at all the Trump events put together than you see at a single NFL game. It's irresponsible to put such propaganda out there."
I mean among the fans, BTW.
I mean among the fans, BTW.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (/q6+P)
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Taking up the Trump bullying to another nasty level, he might find that other candidates are NOT going to cower in the corner whilst Trump's brown shirts threaten people.
Posted by: Rose at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (304O4)
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Remember the rules, folks
If my guy does something awful, that's just an unfortunate, but isolated event that probably can be explained away.
If my guy's opponent does something troubling, that's proof he's rotten to the core and a monster.
If my guy does something awful, that's just an unfortunate, but isolated event that probably can be explained away.
If my guy's opponent does something troubling, that's proof he's rotten to the core and a monster.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (39g3+)
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Yes Trump did & likely Cruz did too.
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
This is exactly what the point of the no evidence accusations of adultery against Cruz was. To allow people to believe/assert that he is an adulterer even though we have no proof.
The point is not that Cruz is above adultery. I believe all humans are if they are not careful. (You should hear about the extreme measures Billy Graham reportedly took to avoid committing adultery because he knew he was vulnerable, like everyone else.)
It's that these kinds of rumours are toxic, evil, and unjust.
Reminds me of the poor college guy (a freshman IIRC) who was randomly accused of being a rapist by the feminazis at the school. I think he was even a virgin at that point.
I'm not saying Cruz didn't commit adultery. I'm also not saying that you guys don't beat your wives/girlfriends or cheat on them either. (See how that works? )
That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
This is exactly what the point of the no evidence accusations of adultery against Cruz was. To allow people to believe/assert that he is an adulterer even though we have no proof.
The point is not that Cruz is above adultery. I believe all humans are if they are not careful. (You should hear about the extreme measures Billy Graham reportedly took to avoid committing adultery because he knew he was vulnerable, like everyone else.)
It's that these kinds of rumours are toxic, evil, and unjust.
Reminds me of the poor college guy (a freshman IIRC) who was randomly accused of being a rapist by the feminazis at the school. I think he was even a virgin at that point.
I'm not saying Cruz didn't commit adultery. I'm also not saying that you guys don't beat your wives/girlfriends or cheat on them either. (See how that works? )
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (vzMuS)
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Trump's brown shirts threaten people.
Posted by: Rose at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (304O4)
Gasoline meet fire
Posted by: Rose at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (304O4)
Gasoline meet fire
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (V/InG)
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And I don't want to live in an Ameriica where the
IRS punishes political speech, and the government funds the sale of baby
parts, and shuts down businesses that refuse to violate their religious
convictions... yet here we are.
America was built by people who rioted when the oppression grew too heavy. 1773
Posted by: @votermom at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (nbrY/)
All those things can be, and will be, fixed by elections. That is why we do elections, not riots.
I have a long rant I do occasionally about the rule of law, civilization, and how rule by man (or wose, by mob) inevitably leads to the collapse of our civilization as we know it. The rich and powerful do fine in those circumstances, by the way -- it's everybody else whose quality of life is degraded. Visit enough third world hellholes and you'll know what I'm talking about. Imagine your world with sandbags and Jersey Barriers all over and traffic checkpoints with cops or soldiers. That is where electing people by riot gets you, in the end.
IRS punishes political speech, and the government funds the sale of baby
parts, and shuts down businesses that refuse to violate their religious
convictions... yet here we are.
America was built by people who rioted when the oppression grew too heavy. 1773
Posted by: @votermom at April 05, 2016 03:17 PM (nbrY/)
All those things can be, and will be, fixed by elections. That is why we do elections, not riots.
I have a long rant I do occasionally about the rule of law, civilization, and how rule by man (or wose, by mob) inevitably leads to the collapse of our civilization as we know it. The rich and powerful do fine in those circumstances, by the way -- it's everybody else whose quality of life is degraded. Visit enough third world hellholes and you'll know what I'm talking about. Imagine your world with sandbags and Jersey Barriers all over and traffic checkpoints with cops or soldiers. That is where electing people by riot gets you, in the end.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (5f5bM)
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Hotel data is a very valuable thing--to waste. I punch back ten times as HARD!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (mcm0N)
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If Cruz's name/number comes up in the DC madam's list then he is a liar and a hypocrite.
This is the best you have? I'd say Ted must be a pretty standup guy if this is what you are hanging your hat on.
This is the best you have? I'd say Ted must be a pretty standup guy if this is what you are hanging your hat on.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (wW1da)
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Are we ready for bet placing?
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (sdxPm)
I win. You lose.
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (sdxPm)
I win. You lose.
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (0IhFx)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (39g3+)
Sorta like they see the candidates as their kids.
Sorta like they see the candidates as their kids.
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (sdxPm)
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If my guy's opponent does something troubling, that's proof he's rotten to the core and a monster.
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Regarding Ace's post, I think it just says that Roger Stone seems like an awful human being.
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Regarding Ace's post, I think it just says that Roger Stone seems like an awful human being.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (gmeXX)
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That is my point. Both Trump and Cruz are terrible people. No one disputes that they are both awful humans.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
Interesting how someone who doesn't know either of these men can call them "awful humans" .
Trump has paid people's mortgages, flown sick children in his plane to hospitals, paid the medical bills of women he barely knows, restored and runs the ice rink for public in NYC Central Park, and been involved in fund raising in many charities. He has ex wives who speak highly of him, and three of his five children all work closely in his business empire. His fourth is in college and not estranged, and his fifth is just a child.
Cruz's charitable works are a little harder to find. He has spent most of his adult life either as a litigator in the Texas state gov. or as Senator. As far as I'm concerned, I find him to be a straight forward and honest , until proven otherwise. He doesn't have the resources Trump has, so he can't be quite as generous.
Trump's generosity is only known because the recipients have come forward, not because of Trump.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:07 PM (10hEu)
Interesting how someone who doesn't know either of these men can call them "awful humans" .
Trump has paid people's mortgages, flown sick children in his plane to hospitals, paid the medical bills of women he barely knows, restored and runs the ice rink for public in NYC Central Park, and been involved in fund raising in many charities. He has ex wives who speak highly of him, and three of his five children all work closely in his business empire. His fourth is in college and not estranged, and his fifth is just a child.
Cruz's charitable works are a little harder to find. He has spent most of his adult life either as a litigator in the Texas state gov. or as Senator. As far as I'm concerned, I find him to be a straight forward and honest , until proven otherwise. He doesn't have the resources Trump has, so he can't be quite as generous.
Trump's generosity is only known because the recipients have come forward, not because of Trump.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (ph1j2)
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If Cruz's name/number comes up in the DC madam's
list then he is a liar and a hypocrite. Which is OK - I expect that of a
politician. I don't like it when they pretend otherwise.
Is that actually true or is it Trump true like the 5, count 'em 5,
affairs which absolutely nobody can find an ounce of proof about?
You'd think that with all his political hatchet men and access to
private investigators like the ones he dispatched to Hawaii and who
Trump assured us would turn up big things about Obama's phony birth
certificate (only they never did) we'd have some actual proof by now.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (/5Tau)
It is Trump true and an attempt to revive the ginned up "scandal" from last week. This time he went to the UK Daily News.
list then he is a liar and a hypocrite. Which is OK - I expect that of a
politician. I don't like it when they pretend otherwise.
Is that actually true or is it Trump true like the 5, count 'em 5,
affairs which absolutely nobody can find an ounce of proof about?
You'd think that with all his political hatchet men and access to
private investigators like the ones he dispatched to Hawaii and who
Trump assured us would turn up big things about Obama's phony birth
certificate (only they never did) we'd have some actual proof by now.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:20 PM (/5Tau)
It is Trump true and an attempt to revive the ginned up "scandal" from last week. This time he went to the UK Daily News.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:27 PM (3JA/M)
403
This is the point where I shake my head sadly and express the wish that just one consistent conservative had gotten into the race at the outset.
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Posted by: torquewrench
The problem is, the default "conservative" Republican position for the last 30 years has been "free trade" and easy immigration. Even Ronald Reagan was largely on board with this agenda. It's a very Chamber of Commerce way at looking at things.
That's a big reason why basically all the Republicans can be tainted with this. It was a rounding error until now.
Trump is of course a con man that is exploiting this untapped anger, but he was just as much a supporter, the guy was fined for bringing in illegal labor, had all of his shit made outside the US, etc
Because he's never been elected though, nobody can point to a vote or bill he sponsored.
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Posted by: torquewrench
The problem is, the default "conservative" Republican position for the last 30 years has been "free trade" and easy immigration. Even Ronald Reagan was largely on board with this agenda. It's a very Chamber of Commerce way at looking at things.
That's a big reason why basically all the Republicans can be tainted with this. It was a rounding error until now.
Trump is of course a con man that is exploiting this untapped anger, but he was just as much a supporter, the guy was fined for bringing in illegal labor, had all of his shit made outside the US, etc
Because he's never been elected though, nobody can point to a vote or bill he sponsored.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:27 PM (BILR8)
404
I'm sure Donaldo could lock in a few more delegates if he sent Melania around to their rooms in a bathrobe.
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:27 PM (HgMAr)
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I assume all politicians and people running for political office are awful people. Its a safe bet and you are so rarely disappointed.
We all agree Trump is awful and I am with you 100%
But why is he awful?
B/c Trump cheated on his wife? OK Cruz probably did too.
B/c Trump has had shady business deals? OK Cruz had his unreported loan.
B/c Trump supported Democrats? OK Cruz had Obama's trade deal
B/c Trump flip-flopped? OK Cruz & H1B visa
B/c Trump compared his wife to Cruz's? OK, but that was fucking funny
You can go tit for tat on this and *yes* trump is totes relly dbl more awfuler, but Cruz is also awful. Cruz has more stated conservative positions - w/ you 100% on that, but his character is also bad.
We all agree Trump is awful and I am with you 100%
But why is he awful?
B/c Trump cheated on his wife? OK Cruz probably did too.
B/c Trump has had shady business deals? OK Cruz had his unreported loan.
B/c Trump supported Democrats? OK Cruz had Obama's trade deal
B/c Trump flip-flopped? OK Cruz & H1B visa
B/c Trump compared his wife to Cruz's? OK, but that was fucking funny
You can go tit for tat on this and *yes* trump is totes relly dbl more awfuler, but Cruz is also awful. Cruz has more stated conservative positions - w/ you 100% on that, but his character is also bad.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (10hEu)
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I'm a Cruz guy, but if the nomination isn't Ted or
Donald what the f was all this voting and debates if someone is just
going to ignore all that and pick someone.
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To keep you distracted while the magician puts the rabbit into the hat.
Donald what the f was all this voting and debates if someone is just
going to ignore all that and pick someone.
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To keep you distracted while the magician puts the rabbit into the hat.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (Nwg0u)
407
Taking up the Trump bullying to another nasty level, he might find that other candidates are NOT going to cower in the corner whilst Trump's brown shirts threaten people.
He'll find the same thing every presidential candidate has found: when it comes to the final push, every other campaign's enforcers will be just as mean as their own.
He'll find the same thing every presidential candidate has found: when it comes to the final push, every other campaign's enforcers will be just as mean as their own.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (zc3Db)
409
Roger Ailes, Hannity and O'Reilly walk into a Trump suite, SAD! And shocking but mostly SAD!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (mcm0N)
410
I envision Jeb! coming in to claim the nomination at the contested convention.
Either one, repub or dem.
I envision Jeb! coming in to claim the nomination at the contested convention.
Either one, repub or dem.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (ODxAs)
411
I wish a Trump supporter would threaten me with violence in person. Arguing on the Internet is aggravating.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (KEA7I)
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (N0SJE)
413
91 It's my understanding that after the first ballot, delegates are free to choose whichever candidate they wish, barring other restrictions placed on them by their state nomination processes, and that this is a longstanding convention rule, not some secret GOPe conspiracy to "get" Donald Trump. Is this right?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (+B4Qh)
It's also neither a secret not a conspiracy to release hotel room numbers to the public.
See? Two can play the slime game. Trump can play even dirtier than the ugly Party Apparatchiks, and this is exactly where his appeal shines.
91 It's my understanding that after the first ballot, delegates are free to choose whichever candidate they wish, barring other restrictions placed on them by their state nomination processes, and that this is a longstanding convention rule, not some secret GOPe conspiracy to "get" Donald Trump. Is this right?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 02:36 PM (+B4Qh)
It's also neither a secret not a conspiracy to release hotel room numbers to the public.
See? Two can play the slime game. Trump can play even dirtier than the ugly Party Apparatchiks, and this is exactly where his appeal shines.
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (EKPqR)
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Roger Stone is the guy behind the Ted Cruz Sex God tabloid story that was busted flat.
Trump's fans say there's no reason to say Trump is behind the disgusting smear. Even as Trump defends it by lying that "ted started it" they say they didn't have anything to do with it.
Anyone who has a problem with Obama or Hillary's political tactics but supports Trump is a disgrace.
Trump's fans say there's no reason to say Trump is behind the disgusting smear. Even as Trump defends it by lying that "ted started it" they say they didn't have anything to do with it.
Anyone who has a problem with Obama or Hillary's political tactics but supports Trump is a disgrace.
Posted by: Dustin at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (a7sQX)
415
This is the point where I shake my head sadly and express the wish that just one consistent conservative had gotten into the race at the outset.
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 05, 2016 03:23 PM (noWW6)
I am still shaking my head that Trump suckered him into giving him his endorsement and then basically poohpoohed the immigration plan Sessions wrote for him a few days later on the debate stage.
Sigh.
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 05, 2016 03:23 PM (noWW6)
I am still shaking my head that Trump suckered him into giving him his endorsement and then basically poohpoohed the immigration plan Sessions wrote for him a few days later on the debate stage.
Sigh.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (vzMuS)
416
What's a mixed primary?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (iQIUe)
417
Are we ready for bet placing?
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (sdxPm)
I win. You lose.
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (0IhFx)
.................
Ahh. The famous Clinton coin flip.
Are we ready for bet placing?
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:24 PM (sdxPm)
I win. You lose.
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (0IhFx)
.................
Ahh. The famous Clinton coin flip.
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (HgMAr)
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The problem is, the default "conservative" Republican position for the last 30 years has been "free trade"
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Well some of us conservatives are for free trade and want more of it. And not because the chamber of commerce wants it.
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Well some of us conservatives are for free trade and want more of it. And not because the chamber of commerce wants it.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (gmeXX)
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Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Funny that he's a trump supporter huh. Even head of Trumps foreignpolicy team.
Jeff Sessions. Would that have been too much to ask?
Funny that he's a trump supporter huh. Even head of Trumps foreignpolicy team.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (jsWA8)
420
I bring new meaning to ROOM SERVICE!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (mcm0N)
421
Samuel Adams like...sorry Ace if I have to remind you how revolutions are, and what they are not. They are like this election has been, and it will be like this for sometime. You might as well accept it, and stop the morality stuff.
My opinion - The "Lobster Backs" had it coming. No good patriotic American would disagree about that right?
What I am interested in seeing is how many so called Cruz supporters talk themselves into supporting and voting for Paul Ryan once he is chosen as the GOP nominee. The argument will be - "we must stop Trump so we must accept the evils of Aristocratic Oligarchy! Vote Lord Ryan! God Save the King!"
Yea...that should help the Democrat party's argument that the GOP does not care about the voters. Not even their own. Won't be able to talk about the blacks on the Democrat Plantation anymore when the GOPe Serfs plow thy lands of thy betters. Now Plow for Ryan!
My opinion - The "Lobster Backs" had it coming. No good patriotic American would disagree about that right?
What I am interested in seeing is how many so called Cruz supporters talk themselves into supporting and voting for Paul Ryan once he is chosen as the GOP nominee. The argument will be - "we must stop Trump so we must accept the evils of Aristocratic Oligarchy! Vote Lord Ryan! God Save the King!"
Yea...that should help the Democrat party's argument that the GOP does not care about the voters. Not even their own. Won't be able to talk about the blacks on the Democrat Plantation anymore when the GOPe Serfs plow thy lands of thy betters. Now Plow for Ryan!
Posted by: William Eaton at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (KhJh8)
422
Trump's generosity is only known because the recipients have come forward, not because of Trump.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (ph1j2)
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It'll become crystal clear when he releases his taxes.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (ph1j2)
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It'll become crystal clear when he releases his taxes.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (t5zYU)
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@388 "...I'm not that cynical about Ted Cruz. His entire record taken on aggregate is stellar. And that's the measure."
Um, but his record, with his being a freshman Senator fairly early in his first term, is so short, there really isn't much of a record to even go on!
BTW, he's an establishment candidate who's now endorsed by the establishment, so what kind of "record" is that? He's acting as their tool - all he can do is help them try to keep Trump out. If they would screw Trump, why wouldn't they screw HIM?
Um, but his record, with his being a freshman Senator fairly early in his first term, is so short, there really isn't much of a record to even go on!
BTW, he's an establishment candidate who's now endorsed by the establishment, so what kind of "record" is that? He's acting as their tool - all he can do is help them try to keep Trump out. If they would screw Trump, why wouldn't they screw HIM?
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (/q6+P)
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In the last post thread, I said I would be interested in the Horde's opinion on what % of the electorate they think is Conservative, an d also what they define as Conservative. We may be experiencing some definition dissonance here.
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (sdxPm)
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I would really like to know where the idea comes from that the unborn have no rights?
The constitution may be silent about the rights of the unborn explicitly but that does not mean they do not have rights or that rights cannot be granted to them legislatively.
Evil bitch is evil.
The constitution may be silent about the rights of the unborn explicitly but that does not mean they do not have rights or that rights cannot be granted to them legislatively.
Evil bitch is evil.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (+oBbu)
426
I went to a Trump rally and a hockey game broke out.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:31 PM (Nwg0u)
427
Visit enough third world hellholes and you'll know what I'm talking about. Imagine your world with sandbags and Jersey Barriers all over and traffic checkpoints with cops or soldiers. That is where electing people by riot gets you, in the end.
Wrong.
That's what rigged elections get you.
Visit enough third world hellholes and you'll know what I'm talking about. Imagine your world with sandbags and Jersey Barriers all over and traffic checkpoints with cops or soldiers. That is where electing people by riot gets you, in the end.
Wrong.
That's what rigged elections get you.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:31 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:31 PM (V/InG)
429
I may be a bit naive, but here's how I'm seeing things right now:
Cruz campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't bound. I'd like to ask for your vote for any subsequent rounds."
Trump campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't bound. Keep voting for us if you don't want your hotel information to be made public and Lewandoski to be paying you a visit."
Cruz campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't bound. I'd like to ask for your vote for any subsequent rounds."
Trump campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't bound. Keep voting for us if you don't want your hotel information to be made public and Lewandoski to be paying you a visit."
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:31 PM (eytER)
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"It's also neither a secret not a conspiracy to release hotel room numbers to the public.
See? Two can play the slime game."
NO, that's just one playing the slime game.
If Cruz and Trump are the runoff candidates, and the party has a runoff vote for candidate, there's nothing wrong with that.
If Trump doesn't have a majority, and the majority want Cruz, it's ok for them to switch from Rubio or Kasich to Cruz at the runoff.
Likening that to doxing where they are in the hotel, winking at possible consequences for voting against your guy, is not proportional.
See? Two can play the slime game."
NO, that's just one playing the slime game.
If Cruz and Trump are the runoff candidates, and the party has a runoff vote for candidate, there's nothing wrong with that.
If Trump doesn't have a majority, and the majority want Cruz, it's ok for them to switch from Rubio or Kasich to Cruz at the runoff.
Likening that to doxing where they are in the hotel, winking at possible consequences for voting against your guy, is not proportional.
Posted by: Dustin at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (a7sQX)
431
hilst Trump's brown shirts threaten people.
Posted by: Rose at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (304O4)
We must have a lot of Beck acolytes here. Brown shirts are Beck's imaginary scary monsters he's pinned on Trump.
This morning, Beck's latests psychosis has him convinced that Trump is working for Hillary. According to him and fellow mental patients, Trump had an hour long call with Bill Clinton the morning he announced he was running. His entire campaign is so that he can destroy the republican party , therefore opening a clear path for Hillary to be elected. He and Bill Clinton devised this plan in order to ensure Hillary's election.
Posted by: Rose at April 05, 2016 03:25 PM (304O4)
We must have a lot of Beck acolytes here. Brown shirts are Beck's imaginary scary monsters he's pinned on Trump.
This morning, Beck's latests psychosis has him convinced that Trump is working for Hillary. According to him and fellow mental patients, Trump had an hour long call with Bill Clinton the morning he announced he was running. His entire campaign is so that he can destroy the republican party , therefore opening a clear path for Hillary to be elected. He and Bill Clinton devised this plan in order to ensure Hillary's election.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (ph1j2)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (39g3+)
433
"But as Ace would say, you can't argue with the polls. They're settled science."
Article in WaPo says that head-to-head polls 200 to 300 days out from Election Day have proven unreliable and useless, based on an analysis of such polls from 2004, 2008 and 2012.
Article in WaPo says that head-to-head polls 200 to 300 days out from Election Day have proven unreliable and useless, based on an analysis of such polls from 2004, 2008 and 2012.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (r1fLd)
434
It's also neither a secret not a conspiracy to release hotel room numbers to the public.
See? Two can play the slime game. Trump can play even dirtier than
the ugly Party Apparatchiks, and this is exactly where his appeal
shines.
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (EKPqR)
Wow... and you people wonder why we don't see Trump's appeal.
See? Two can play the slime game. Trump can play even dirtier than
the ugly Party Apparatchiks, and this is exactly where his appeal
shines.
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 03:29 PM (EKPqR)
Wow... and you people wonder why we don't see Trump's appeal.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (3JA/M)
435
I like listening to Rush when he asks a call-in Trumpist "what would it take for you to question your support."
They never have an answer for that one.
What Rush should be asking as a part two to that question is "who got your votes in '00, '04, '08, and '12?"
'Cause these Trumpists act as if they would never vote for anyone but Teh Donald ('cause he ain't a politician, you know) and will sit out in November if the nom is "stolen" from him.
They never have an answer for that one.
What Rush should be asking as a part two to that question is "who got your votes in '00, '04, '08, and '12?"
'Cause these Trumpists act as if they would never vote for anyone but Teh Donald ('cause he ain't a politician, you know) and will sit out in November if the nom is "stolen" from him.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (U6f54)
436
What's a mixed primary?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
..................
A gallon of red with a quart of green?
What's a mixed primary?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
..................
A gallon of red with a quart of green?
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (HgMAr)
437
Cruz's charitable works are a little harder to find. He has spent most of his adult life either as a litigator in the Texas state gov. or as Senator. As far as I'm concerned, I find him to be a straight forward and honest , until proven otherwise. He doesn't have the resources Trump has, so he can't be quite as generous.
He's pretty free with teddy bears and soccer balls. Ask any illegal immigrant.
Cruz's charitable works are a little harder to find. He has spent most of his adult life either as a litigator in the Texas state gov. or as Senator. As far as I'm concerned, I find him to be a straight forward and honest , until proven otherwise. He doesn't have the resources Trump has, so he can't be quite as generous.
He's pretty free with teddy bears and soccer balls. Ask any illegal immigrant.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (RcpcZ)
438
422 Trump's generosity is only known because the recipients have come forward, not because of Trump.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (ph1j2)
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It'll become crystal clear when he releases his taxes.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (t5zYU)
If donations are listed on his tax documents.
422 Trump's generosity is only known because the recipients have come forward, not because of Trump.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:26 PM (ph1j2)
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It'll become crystal clear when he releases his taxes.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (t5zYU)
If donations are listed on his tax documents.
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (mR7Es)
439
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:28 PM (10hEu)
This is like saying A and be are on the same plane of awfulness because A shot that guy for owing him money and B kicked his little brother when he ate his ice cream.
By that measure, we are all on the same order of magnitude of awfulness as Trump.
I reject this. I at least comport myself as an adult in public most of the time.
This is like saying A and be are on the same plane of awfulness because A shot that guy for owing him money and B kicked his little brother when he ate his ice cream.
By that measure, we are all on the same order of magnitude of awfulness as Trump.
I reject this. I at least comport myself as an adult in public most of the time.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (vzMuS)
440
Has John Kasick become the Ralph Nader of the GOP?
Has John Kasick become the Ralph Nader of the GOP?
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (N0SJE)
441
I would dispute that Cruz is a horrible person. He seems like a pretty nice guy if a little odd.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (/5Tau)
The video of his daughter recoiling from him makes a lot more sense if his is a political and adulterous marriage.
Allegations, inability to deny unfaithfulness, and that.
Besides that, I don't think any successful politican can be called nice. It's a stabby world over there.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:09 PM (/5Tau)
The video of his daughter recoiling from him makes a lot more sense if his is a political and adulterous marriage.
Allegations, inability to deny unfaithfulness, and that.
Besides that, I don't think any successful politican can be called nice. It's a stabby world over there.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (uURQL)
442
...of the GOP primaries, I mean.
...of the GOP primaries, I mean.
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (N0SJE)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (KEA7I)
444
LOL National Write-in Campaign. Trump can't be bothered to do the basic delegate selection politics, but he is going to run a write-in campaign?
Even I knew how important delegate selection is, it isn't a secret. But it caught Trump's campaign completely off guard.
Here is his national campaign. He would send out a tweet the day before saying "Write in Donald Trump! Make America Great Again!" Beyond that, he won't do jack.
Even I knew how important delegate selection is, it isn't a secret. But it caught Trump's campaign completely off guard.
Here is his national campaign. He would send out a tweet the day before saying "Write in Donald Trump! Make America Great Again!" Beyond that, he won't do jack.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (wW1da)
445
Cleavon Little dead. Was Lamont on Sanford and Son.
Posted by: Film at Eleven at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (FXW24)
446
"He has ex wives who speak highly of him"
So, did he divorce them and then go on the dating scene or what?
You gonna mention that he hires illegals and often doesn't pay vendors?
How about the people he stiffed when he went bankrupt?
So, did he divorce them and then go on the dating scene or what?
You gonna mention that he hires illegals and often doesn't pay vendors?
How about the people he stiffed when he went bankrupt?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (UBBWX)
447
Article in WaPo says that head-to-head polls 200 to 300 days out from
Election Day have proven unreliable and useless, based on an analysis of
such polls from 2004, 2008 and 2012.
Can I see the poll on that?
Election Day have proven unreliable and useless, based on an analysis of
such polls from 2004, 2008 and 2012.
Can I see the poll on that?
Posted by: tu3031 at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (YFFpo)
448
"2) IF your delegates are chosen by your enemies specifically to destroy your nomination chances, what are your choices in order to make sure they don't?"
Don't be awful at politics?
Cruz is hated by the establishment and did his homework and built an organization. People vote for the delegates. You can't tweet your way out of that. You have to lead.
Trump's not a leader, he's a tweeter. His university, marriages, casinos... they always end in disaster, with Trump being sued and suing and saying nasty stuff in the press. He has a history of losing and then being bombastic. Never a history of building and planning anything that lasts. This is why he's losing.
Don't be awful at politics?
Cruz is hated by the establishment and did his homework and built an organization. People vote for the delegates. You can't tweet your way out of that. You have to lead.
Trump's not a leader, he's a tweeter. His university, marriages, casinos... they always end in disaster, with Trump being sued and suing and saying nasty stuff in the press. He has a history of losing and then being bombastic. Never a history of building and planning anything that lasts. This is why he's losing.
Posted by: Dustin at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (a7sQX)
449
On the bright side of things, the Royals are about to get their WS rings. Commish of Baseball in town to give them out to the players.
Posted by: HH at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (DrCtv)
450
Cruz has released his tax returns.
Donald, your turn buddy.
What're you hiding?
My guess is zero taxes paid and scant donations to veteran's.
Donald, your turn buddy.
What're you hiding?
My guess is zero taxes paid and scant donations to veteran's.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (UBBWX)
451
Well some of us conservatives are for free trade and want more of it. And not because the chamber of commerce wants it.
Posted by: SH
Everybody has a different idea of what free trade means, but to me the same arguments for free trade can be made for open border policies.
The US largely has an open door policy regarding both trade and immigration, and the results are pretty shitty in my humble opinion.
Basically everything now is made in Communist China and we have tens of millions of illegal aliens now demanding all the bennies.
Posted by: SH
Everybody has a different idea of what free trade means, but to me the same arguments for free trade can be made for open border policies.
The US largely has an open door policy regarding both trade and immigration, and the results are pretty shitty in my humble opinion.
Basically everything now is made in Communist China and we have tens of millions of illegal aliens now demanding all the bennies.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (BILR8)
452
HAHAHAHA! I LOVE IT!
Posted by: Bob at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (IyzB5)
453
So we go from naked white guy backstroking into a sharks mouth to Trumpwars?
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (HgMAr)
454
Sounds like another narcissistic short-fingered vulgarian talking tough to make up for his micro penis.
Posted by: Hadoop at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (2X7pN)
455
What we have is a situation where 60% to 70% of the Republican primary voters chose the anti-establishment "lanes", now Trump is the only true anti-establishment candidate left, and they're desperately trying to screw him. So the REAL question is, as it has been all along, is whether Trump can save the Republican party from ITSELF.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (/q6+P)
456
April 2016, the month that will forever be remembered as "The Month when the Conservosphere discovered the joy and piety of rigged elections".
And to honor Mr. Cruz, I shall call it "Cuban Spring".
And to honor Mr. Cruz, I shall call it "Cuban Spring".
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 03:36 PM (EKPqR)
457
I'm thinking that some "Conservative" we hear from are all " I want the government to be small, and off my back, and not take my stuff..... but... still give me all the good stuff $... that I've gotten used to". That kind of "Conservative".
Posted by: kraken at April 05, 2016 03:36 PM (sdxPm)
458
I could put up with the anti-trump and anti-cruz shit if any of it was even the least bit original, but it's the same shit all the time. Booooring
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:36 PM (V/InG)
459
Hey! Ahead of time--there is one thing I agree with the Chinese on--
The Panama Papers are bullshit--believe me and Xi!
The Panama Papers are bullshit--believe me and Xi!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (mcm0N)
460
Cleavon Little dead. Was Lamont on Sanford and Son.
Posted by: Film at Eleven at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (FXW24)
Uh, wasn't he the sherriff in Blazing Saddles?
Posted by: Film at Eleven at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (FXW24)
Uh, wasn't he the sherriff in Blazing Saddles?
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (aQQbl)
461
Even I knew how important delegate selection is, it isn't a secret. But it caught Trump's campaign completely off guard.
Here is his national campaign. He would send out a tweet the day before saying "Write in Donald Trump! Make America Great Again!" Beyond that, he won't do jack.
Posted by: Dave in Fla a
Pretty much.
Once Trump knows he can't actually win, he'll just throw in the towel.
Which is what the GOP should have done from the get go when he threatened to run 3rd party every single day.
Trump is too lazy and too cheap to be a spoiler.
Here is his national campaign. He would send out a tweet the day before saying "Write in Donald Trump! Make America Great Again!" Beyond that, he won't do jack.
Posted by: Dave in Fla a
Pretty much.
Once Trump knows he can't actually win, he'll just throw in the towel.
Which is what the GOP should have done from the get go when he threatened to run 3rd party every single day.
Trump is too lazy and too cheap to be a spoiler.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (BILR8)
462
I may be a bit naive, but here's how I'm seeing things right now:
Cruz campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't
bound. I'd like to ask for your vote for any subsequent rounds."
Trump campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't
bound. Keep voting for us if you don't want your hotel information to
be made public and Lewandoski to be paying you a visit."
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:31 PM (eytER)
More like Cruz campaign: hey there is a second part of this race and so I am going to work and make sure that delegates that are friendly to me are elected so that, if no one goes in with a majority, I win on the second ballot.
But other than that, yes that is exactly correct.
Cruz campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't
bound. I'd like to ask for your vote for any subsequent rounds."
Trump campaign to delegates: "Hey, after the first vote you aren't
bound. Keep voting for us if you don't want your hotel information to
be made public and Lewandoski to be paying you a visit."
Posted by: Witchdoktor at April 05, 2016 03:31 PM (eytER)
More like Cruz campaign: hey there is a second part of this race and so I am going to work and make sure that delegates that are friendly to me are elected so that, if no one goes in with a majority, I win on the second ballot.
But other than that, yes that is exactly correct.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (3JA/M)
463
WaPo today: google
"No, general election polling still doesn't tell us much"
"No, general election polling still doesn't tell us much"
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (r1fLd)
464
C'mon Trump, you have a chance to persuade me.
After you release your tax returns like everybody else.
If you're unwilling, after you already promised to do so, well, sorry, I don't buy a car without being allowed to look under the hood.
After you release your tax returns like everybody else.
If you're unwilling, after you already promised to do so, well, sorry, I don't buy a car without being allowed to look under the hood.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (UBBWX)
465
What happened to Mr Art of the Deal? Comes in with less than 1237 and $10 billion, and he can't bribe his way to the nomination? Seriously, why can't he just start at $100,000 a vote from an uncommitted delegate and see how many he gets? The ballots are roll calls, so he would need a vote counter in several states (extra $50,000) to make sure their bought delegates stay bought. It's cheaper than campaigning.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (5f5bM)
466
and he died a long time ago
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (aQQbl)
467
This kind of stuff from Trump and his people is where they completely lose me.
Posted by: Frank at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (noank)
468
Article in WaPo says that head-to-head polls 200 to 300 days out from Election Day have proven unreliable and useless, based on an analysis of such polls from 2004, 2008 and 2012.
You mean those 2012 polls that showed Romney losing to Obama by 4 points? What was the final margin of victory again?
You mean those 2012 polls that showed Romney losing to Obama by 4 points? What was the final margin of victory again?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (wW1da)
469
@450 "Cruz has released his tax returns.
Donald, your turn buddy.
What're you hiding?
My guess is zero taxes paid and scant donations to veteran's."
It seems like only yesterday that Mitt's taxes were being demanded, and the pundits said that the sooner you release them the more time the buzzards in the media have to find some nothingburger to make a mountain out of, no matter WHAT your taxes actually look like.
Donald, your turn buddy.
What're you hiding?
My guess is zero taxes paid and scant donations to veteran's."
It seems like only yesterday that Mitt's taxes were being demanded, and the pundits said that the sooner you release them the more time the buzzards in the media have to find some nothingburger to make a mountain out of, no matter WHAT your taxes actually look like.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (/q6+P)
470
Everybody has a different idea of what free trade means, but to me the same arguments for free trade can be made for open border policies.
-----------
While I agree some of the same arguments can be made, the two are radically different. As people are quite different from trade itself. And free trade (as in free trade agreements) do lead a lot to be desired. Basically a free trade agreement could be one sentence long.
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While I agree some of the same arguments can be made, the two are radically different. As people are quite different from trade itself. And free trade (as in free trade agreements) do lead a lot to be desired. Basically a free trade agreement could be one sentence long.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (gmeXX)
471
How... leftist of Trump's lapdog to suggest violence. So very... Democratic (as in the Party, thereof).
Besides, there's a simple solution, Rog - your guy gets to 1237 and this is all just bluster and fury signifying nothing. 'cause until Donny J gets to 2137 it's not "his" nomination. Savvy?
The only good thing to come out of this nightmarish election and the absolute hell-on-earth that will the the reign of The Witch is the utter, complete and long-overdue collapse of the GOP as a viable political vehicle in the USA. The only. good. thing.
Besides, there's a simple solution, Rog - your guy gets to 1237 and this is all just bluster and fury signifying nothing. 'cause until Donny J gets to 2137 it's not "his" nomination. Savvy?
The only good thing to come out of this nightmarish election and the absolute hell-on-earth that will the the reign of The Witch is the utter, complete and long-overdue collapse of the GOP as a viable political vehicle in the USA. The only. good. thing.
Posted by: DocJ at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (zrsn3)
472
So any trip to Cleveland before July 18th is okay? I won't be robbed or murdered until then? Well hell, that seems like a pretty good deal, even if they do cheat the guy out of his nomination eventually.
Posted by: nuke a nork at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (V6P3r)
473
Trump's not a leader, he's a tweeter. His university, marriages, casinos... they always end in disaster, with Trump being sued and suing and saying nasty stuff in the press. He has a history of losing and then being bombastic. Never a history of building and planning anything that lasts. This is why he's losing.
Posted by: Dustin at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (a7sQX)
I disagree with your last sentence. He may be losing it, but unfortunately he isn't losing. Until we see him actually losing big time in a way that has an impact, I view any such statements as wishcasting.
Posted by: Dustin at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (a7sQX)
I disagree with your last sentence. He may be losing it, but unfortunately he isn't losing. Until we see him actually losing big time in a way that has an impact, I view any such statements as wishcasting.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 03:39 PM (vzMuS)
474
What we have is a situation where 60% to 70% of the
Republican primary voters chose the anti-establishment "lanes", now
Trump is the only true anti-establishment candidate left, and they're
desperately trying to screw him. So the REAL question is, as it has been
all along, is whether Trump can save the Republican party from ITSELF.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (/q6+P)
Yeah... no. Just no.
Republican primary voters chose the anti-establishment "lanes", now
Trump is the only true anti-establishment candidate left, and they're
desperately trying to screw him. So the REAL question is, as it has been
all along, is whether Trump can save the Republican party from ITSELF.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (/q6+P)
Yeah... no. Just no.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:39 PM (3JA/M)
475
I bring new meaning to ROOM SERVICE!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (mcm0N)
..........................
We get underage Panamanian hookers instead of Mexican maids?
I bring new meaning to ROOM SERVICE!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:30 PM (mcm0N)
..........................
We get underage Panamanian hookers instead of Mexican maids?
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:39 PM (HgMAr)
476
What happened to Mr Art of the Deal? Comes in with less than 1237 and $10 billion, and he can't bribe his way to the nomination?
------------
As I've said, if the Donald is as good a negotiator as he says, he should have no problem closing the deal at the convention.
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As I've said, if the Donald is as good a negotiator as he says, he should have no problem closing the deal at the convention.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (gmeXX)
477
Listen I'm bringing Old Dems out to vote in droves.
Same day registration in Wisconsin!
People are voting for Donald and Kloppenpooper!
Same day registration in Wisconsin!
People are voting for Donald and Kloppenpooper!
Posted by: Donald Trump Hotelier at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (mcm0N)
478
Say, I have a question.
Why are we discussing Roger Stone, when we could be discussing how thoroughly Cruz is kicking Trump's ass in Wisconsin today?
Why are we discussing Roger Stone, when we could be discussing how thoroughly Cruz is kicking Trump's ass in Wisconsin today?
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (N0SJE)
480
#Nevertrump! He's an authoritarian! A fascist with anti-democratic tendencies! He probably likes big government!
Now let's use the power of our nation-wide, insanely large, party apparatus to rig elections and select a candidate who received less popular votes or no votes at all.
Now let's use the power of our nation-wide, insanely large, party apparatus to rig elections and select a candidate who received less popular votes or no votes at all.
Posted by: Certified TrueCon at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (EKPqR)
481
>>This morning, Beck's latests psychosis has him convinced that Trump is working for Hillary. According to him and fellow mental patients, Trump had an hour long call with Bill Clinton the morning he announced he was running. His entire campaign is so that he can destroy the republican party , therefore opening a clear path for Hillary to be elected. He and Bill Clinton devised this plan in order to ensure Hillary's election.
Even if Beck is mentally unstable, what more could Trump do to help insure her election other than what he is doing? It doesn't matter if you believe the latest Gallup poll that Trump is polling 23-70 with women. Let's say it's off by 15 points. That is still enough to guarantee a loss.
Only way Trump beats Hillary is if she indicted and if that's the case anyone can beat her. We don't need to settle for Trump.
Even if Beck is mentally unstable, what more could Trump do to help insure her election other than what he is doing? It doesn't matter if you believe the latest Gallup poll that Trump is polling 23-70 with women. Let's say it's off by 15 points. That is still enough to guarantee a loss.
Only way Trump beats Hillary is if she indicted and if that's the case anyone can beat her. We don't need to settle for Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (/5Tau)
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (UBBWX)
483
It's not free trade if one of the parties protects their industries.
Posted by: Hadoop at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: DocJ at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (zrsn3)
485
464
C'mon Trump, you have a chance to persuade me.
After you release your tax returns like everybody else.
If you're unwilling, after you already promised to do so, well,
sorry, I don't buy a car without being allowed to look under the hood.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (UBBWX)
The whole story about not releasing because of an audit only makes sense if he is claiming deductions he knows he is going to lose on, and that is a regular practice: he claims some highly questionable deductions, knowing he's going to give them away in negotiations with the IRS, and he'll come out somewhere in the middle. He must not want those deductions to become public. Or there's his story, which is that he''s being audited because he's such a strong Christian.
C'mon Trump, you have a chance to persuade me.
After you release your tax returns like everybody else.
If you're unwilling, after you already promised to do so, well,
sorry, I don't buy a car without being allowed to look under the hood.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (UBBWX)
The whole story about not releasing because of an audit only makes sense if he is claiming deductions he knows he is going to lose on, and that is a regular practice: he claims some highly questionable deductions, knowing he's going to give them away in negotiations with the IRS, and he'll come out somewhere in the middle. He must not want those deductions to become public. Or there's his story, which is that he''s being audited because he's such a strong Christian.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (5f5bM)
486
I was checking back on the morning painting thread, my theory is the guy was keel hauled and was rescued by a passing boat.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (1J6E6)
487
"It's also neither a secret not a conspiracy to release hotel room numbers to the public.
See? Two can play the slime game."
I'm glad you were not on my jury.
See? Two can play the slime game."
I'm glad you were not on my jury.
Posted by: Erin Andrews at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (OD2ni)
488
Wow, I'm having a real serious dyslexia problem today, evidently.
Posted by: DocJ at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (zrsn3)
489
"I'll Release the Hotel Room Information of Any Delegate Who Tries to "Steal" Trump's Nomination From Him"
This is the REPUBLICAN National Convention. The chances of delegates being ARMED at their hotel room MUCH > than the DNC convention.
Not to mention the places will be crawling with secret service and other security types everywhere from convention hall to the hotels.
Somebody's asking to get a cap in their ass if they try to harm any delegates...
This is the REPUBLICAN National Convention. The chances of delegates being ARMED at their hotel room MUCH > than the DNC convention.
Not to mention the places will be crawling with secret service and other security types everywhere from convention hall to the hotels.
Somebody's asking to get a cap in their ass if they try to harm any delegates...
Posted by: Janir at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (7wm1Y)
490
Just one question...Do we bring longbows or crossbows to the convention?
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (KBjNt)
491
>>Trump is fine with his wife doing nude modeling.
>But he won't show you his tax returns.
To be fair, the Catalog he likely picked her out of had nude photos, too.
>But he won't show you his tax returns.
To be fair, the Catalog he likely picked her out of had nude photos, too.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (TnP/y)
492
The gope gets Cruz and Kasich to stop Trump and then the gope tosses Cruz off the balcony.
Ryan/Haley 2016
Ryan/Haley 2016
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (mR7Es)
493
OT: They just had a guy on TV demonstrate how to charge, load, and fire a PIAT. What a piece of shit weapon! A crossbow would be more efficient.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (Nwg0u)
494
What happened to Mr Art of the Deal? Comes in with
less than 1237 and $10 billion, and he can't bribe his way to the
nomination? Seriously, why can't he just start at $100,000 a vote from
an uncommitted delegate and see how many he gets? The ballots are roll
calls, so he would need a vote counter in several states (extra $50,000)
to make sure their bought delegates stay bought. It's cheaper than
campaigning.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (5f5bM)
Cause that is blatantly illegal.
less than 1237 and $10 billion, and he can't bribe his way to the
nomination? Seriously, why can't he just start at $100,000 a vote from
an uncommitted delegate and see how many he gets? The ballots are roll
calls, so he would need a vote counter in several states (extra $50,000)
to make sure their bought delegates stay bought. It's cheaper than
campaigning.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:37 PM (5f5bM)
Cause that is blatantly illegal.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (3JA/M)
495
Cruz is hated by the establishment and did his homework and built an organization.
What a total bullshit myth.
You have to get party support to be a lowly County Commissioner.
To become a senator you definitely have to sell your ass.
Cruz is hated by the establishment and did his homework and built an organization.
What a total bullshit myth.
You have to get party support to be a lowly County Commissioner.
To become a senator you definitely have to sell your ass.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (RcpcZ)
496
No, you're thinking of Richard Pryor.
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (N0SJE)
No, he was on Hogan's Heros
No, you're thinking of Richard Pryor.
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:40 PM (N0SJE)
No, he was on Hogan's Heros
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (aQQbl)
497
@445 "Cleavon Little dead. Was Lamont on Sanford and Son."
I remember Sanford and Son, and I'd say Lamont was definitely somebody else. But he was famous for Blazzing Saddles, and he had a short lived TV series that I think was called "Temperature's Rising", or something where he played a doctor at a hospital.
I remember Sanford and Son, and I'd say Lamont was definitely somebody else. But he was famous for Blazzing Saddles, and he had a short lived TV series that I think was called "Temperature's Rising", or something where he played a doctor at a hospital.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (/q6+P)
498
While I agree some of the same arguments can be made, the two are radically different. As people are quite different from trade itself. And free trade (as in free trade agreements) do lead a lot to be desired. Basically a free trade agreement could be one sentence long.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (gmeXX)
Labor and machinery are exchangeable. Unrestricted immigration is a subset of free trade.
The fact that it's easy to see why immigration needs reasonable restriction is a clue that reasonable restrictions on trade are not a crazy idea.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:38 PM (gmeXX)
Labor and machinery are exchangeable. Unrestricted immigration is a subset of free trade.
The fact that it's easy to see why immigration needs reasonable restriction is a clue that reasonable restrictions on trade are not a crazy idea.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: DaveA at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (DL2i+)
500
458 I could put up with the anti-trump and anti-cruz shit if any of it was even the least bit original, but it's the same shit all the time. Booooring
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:36 PM (V/InG)
It's not the same for anti-Trumps. He gives us something new everyday to discuss.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:36 PM (V/InG)
It's not the same for anti-Trumps. He gives us something new everyday to discuss.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (KEA7I)
501
The real violence (not the threatened violence) will happen at the dem convention. That's the party in which the "riot pros" reside.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (Fmupd)
502
I hate these stupid people. What's it matter? We ceased being a serious nation in 2008.
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (T5hzo)
503
Ryan/Haley 2016
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (mR7Es)
Apparently, Chemjeff is right.
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (mR7Es)
Apparently, Chemjeff is right.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (3JA/M)
504
"Cleavon Little dead. Was Lamont on Sanford and Son.
Posted by: Film at Eleven at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (FXW24)"
Lamont was played by Demond Wilson and is still alive. You big dummy!
Posted by: Film at Eleven at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (FXW24)"
Lamont was played by Demond Wilson and is still alive. You big dummy!
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (OD2ni)
505
490 Just one question...Do we bring longbows or crossbows to the convention?
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (KBjNt)
==============
Neither. Folding chairs are the preferred weapons.
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (KBjNt)
==============
Neither. Folding chairs are the preferred weapons.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (iQIUe)
506
Well the Yankees just blew it. They really do not play good baseball
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (V/InG)
507
"As I've said, if the Donald is as good a negotiator as he says, he should have no problem closing the deal at the convention."
Exactly.
Just like he always hires the best people.
That's why he's firing his staff in states where the primaries are over.
Because you won't need them in the general.
For a super rich guy, he sure is cheap.
All these white working class people wouldn't vote for Romney because he's too rich and looks like a boss, but they lloooooove a guy who's tagline is "you're fired" and who hires foreigners over Americans all day long.
Exactly.
Just like he always hires the best people.
That's why he's firing his staff in states where the primaries are over.
Because you won't need them in the general.
For a super rich guy, he sure is cheap.
All these white working class people wouldn't vote for Romney because he's too rich and looks like a boss, but they lloooooove a guy who's tagline is "you're fired" and who hires foreigners over Americans all day long.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (UBBWX)
508
Why are we discussing Roger Stone, when we could be discussing how thoroughly Cruz is kicking Trump's ass in Wisconsin today?
Winston Wolf
Winston Wolf
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (wW1da)
509
Because we just want to make sure there is a chocolate on your pillow.
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (HgMAr)
510
Just read Ben Stein at pj media, he thinks Trump's ideas would be a disaster for the economy.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (1J6E6)
511
>> Cleavon Little dead. Was Lamont on Sanford and Son.
Cleavon Little died, too young, a couple decades ago IIRC.
Cleavon Little died, too young, a couple decades ago IIRC.
Posted by: JEM at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (o+SC1)
512
Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (/q6+P)
You're joking right? Continuation of an earlier thread?
You're joking right? Continuation of an earlier thread?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:43 PM (KEA7I)
513
Labor and machinery are exchangeable.
-----------
In some respects, yes. In others, no. Machineary doesn't have feelings, free will, or a cohort.
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In some respects, yes. In others, no. Machineary doesn't have feelings, free will, or a cohort.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (LA7Cm)
515
While I agree some of the same arguments can be made, the two are radically different. As people are quite different from trade itself. And free trade (as in free trade agreements) do lead a lot to be desired. Basically a free trade agreement could be one sentence long.
Posted by: SH
I don't have a problem with Free Trade with say Japan or Germany, I do have a problem with China.
It's funny that conservatives are almost 100% supportive of a trade embargo with Cuba over human rights violations, even though China is just as bad. In addition to China using their military to threaten us on nearly a daily basis.
I don't doubt there can be prosperity with open trade, but some things are more important than Apple's iPhone production.
Posted by: SH
I don't have a problem with Free Trade with say Japan or Germany, I do have a problem with China.
It's funny that conservatives are almost 100% supportive of a trade embargo with Cuba over human rights violations, even though China is just as bad. In addition to China using their military to threaten us on nearly a daily basis.
I don't doubt there can be prosperity with open trade, but some things are more important than Apple's iPhone production.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (BILR8)
516
>>Well the Yankees just blew it. They really do not play good baseball
Betansis (sp?) should have nailed him right between the numbers.
Betansis (sp?) should have nailed him right between the numbers.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (TnP/y)
517
505 490 Just one question...Do we bring longbows or crossbows to the convention?
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (KBjNt)
==============
Neither. Folding chairs are the preferred weapons.
========
I assume metal folding chairs are preferred.
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (KBjNt)
==============
Neither. Folding chairs are the preferred weapons.
========
I assume metal folding chairs are preferred.
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (KBjNt)
518
503 Ryan/Haley 2016
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (mR7Es)
Apparently, Chemjeff is right.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (3JA
You truly believe the gope will let Cruz get the nomination?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (mR7Es)
Apparently, Chemjeff is right.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (3JA
You truly believe the gope will let Cruz get the nomination?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
519
Wow, I'm having a real serious dyslexia problem today, evidently.
Posted by: DocJ at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (zrsn3)
Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!
Posted by: DocJ at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (zrsn3)
Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (3JA/M)
520
>>>439 Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (vzMuS)
Exactly, we are then arguing about who is the most awful. Not about who is good and who is bad.
Once we have decided to vote for a terrible. Arguing over who is the most terrible doesn't achieve anything and doesn't persuade anyone.
"Vote for my turd over that turd b/c my turd has a ribbon and a bow!"
Now, why prefer Trump over Cruz? Or Why prefer either over Hillary? b/c on some criteria there is a good - bad distinction.
I prefer Trump because he fights back when attacked and he fights back dirty. I don't care about not steeping to "their" level. McCain & Romney didn't and look what it got em. On that criteria: Trump Good - Cruz bad.
Why either Trump or Cruz over Hillary? B/c they both seem to like America and Americans. Hillary hates us. On that Criteria: Trump - Good, Hillary - dbl totes bad.
Exactly, we are then arguing about who is the most awful. Not about who is good and who is bad.
Once we have decided to vote for a terrible. Arguing over who is the most terrible doesn't achieve anything and doesn't persuade anyone.
"Vote for my turd over that turd b/c my turd has a ribbon and a bow!"
Now, why prefer Trump over Cruz? Or Why prefer either over Hillary? b/c on some criteria there is a good - bad distinction.
I prefer Trump because he fights back when attacked and he fights back dirty. I don't care about not steeping to "their" level. McCain & Romney didn't and look what it got em. On that criteria: Trump Good - Cruz bad.
Why either Trump or Cruz over Hillary? B/c they both seem to like America and Americans. Hillary hates us. On that Criteria: Trump - Good, Hillary - dbl totes bad.
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (10hEu)
521
The most recent WI poll shows Trump winning, although it may be an outlier. Other WI polls have been narrowing. So Trump may not get blown out, the way many expect. Or he could even eke out a win.
Trump is likely to win all 95 NY delegates by winning 50% of the statewide vote.
Cruz won't make it out of the month of April.
Trump is likely to win all 95 NY delegates by winning 50% of the statewide vote.
Cruz won't make it out of the month of April.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (r1fLd)
522
Cleavon was a Elton John song Amirite?
Posted by: CSMBigBird at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (jsWA8)
523
@479 "Uh, wasn't he the sherriff in Blazing Saddles?
No, you're thinking of Richard Pryor."
Richard Prior was the black co-star for Gene Wilder in a number of movies, but not Blazing Saddles. That was Cleavon Little.
No, you're thinking of Richard Pryor."
Richard Prior was the black co-star for Gene Wilder in a number of movies, but not Blazing Saddles. That was Cleavon Little.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (/q6+P)
Posted by: Barney Frank at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (OD2ni)
525
"501 The real violence (not the threatened violence) will happen at the dem convention. That's the party in which the "riot pros" reside."
That's the one to watch with a big 'ole bowl of popcorn.
That's the one to watch with a big 'ole bowl of popcorn.
Posted by: Janir at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (7wm1Y)
526
It's not the same for anti-Trumps. He gives us something new everyday to discuss.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (KEA7I)
Just a variation on the same
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (KEA7I)
Just a variation on the same
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (V/InG)
527
You truly believe the gope will let Cruz get the nomination?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
It isn't up to them.
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
It isn't up to them.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (3JA/M)
Posted by: tu3031 at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: intellectual nudity at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (N0SJE)
Posted by: David Dewhurst, Junior Senator from Texas at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (wW1da)
531
Cleavon Little was the second bassist for P-Funk.
Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (TnP/y)
532
Wasn't it decided the other day atlatl's were the weapon of choice at the convention.
Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (1J6E6)
533
If Cruz is packing Trump delegates with Cruz supporters so that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky, underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the convention. It will result in the destruction of the GOP as we know it. Delegates like that would deserve a little four knuckle persuasion.
Now, if Trump goes to the convention with 1200 delegates and loses to Cruz 1200 to 1237, because Cruz was able to consolidate all the non-Trump delegates under his banner, then he will have won fair and square and I'll support him.
However, if he needs to resort to dirty tricks and disloyal Trump delegates, you better bring your umbrella, because forecast calls for rain...
Now, if Trump goes to the convention with 1200 delegates and loses to Cruz 1200 to 1237, because Cruz was able to consolidate all the non-Trump delegates under his banner, then he will have won fair and square and I'll support him.
However, if he needs to resort to dirty tricks and disloyal Trump delegates, you better bring your umbrella, because forecast calls for rain...
Posted by: tommyotto at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (A3a8d)
534
493 OT: They just had a guy on TV demonstrate how to charge, load, and fire a PIAT. What a piece of shit weapon! A crossbow would be more efficient.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (Nwg0u)
Earlier today I saw a Coast Guardette shooting a 25mm chain gun at a speedboat that was dead in the water. Two hits out of 150 rounds expended. So sad.
493 OT: They just had a guy on TV demonstrate how to charge, load, and fire a PIAT. What a piece of shit weapon! A crossbow would be more efficient.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:41 PM (Nwg0u)
Earlier today I saw a Coast Guardette shooting a 25mm chain gun at a speedboat that was dead in the water. Two hits out of 150 rounds expended. So sad.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (RcpcZ)
535
>> You truly believe the gope will let Cruz get the nomination?
You want to see people hung from lamp posts?
You want to see people hung from lamp posts?
Posted by: JEM at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (o+SC1)
536
527 You truly believe the gope will let Cruz get the nomination?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
It isn't up to them.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (3JA/M)
Oh?
How so?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
It isn't up to them.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (3JA/M)
Oh?
How so?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (mR7Es)
537
OK, now some pro-Trump snark from me:
Today he came out with his plan to have Mexico pay for the wall.
Its been clear that you can tax remittances to pay for it, as Oklahoma does that.
But Trump's twist is he can't just release a sober, functional plan.
Oh no. He needs headlines, especially today.
So, he demands Mexico make an upfront payment. instead of a simple tax that keeps maintaining the wall, Trump wants some kind of brokered deal that will not happen because Mexico will be insulted.
But it gets him headlines, and the white nationalists will swoon.
Ace of Spades commenters are not white nationalists: what do you think about this tactic?
Would you prefer an actual sober remittances tax or what Trump delivers?
Today he came out with his plan to have Mexico pay for the wall.
Its been clear that you can tax remittances to pay for it, as Oklahoma does that.
But Trump's twist is he can't just release a sober, functional plan.
Oh no. He needs headlines, especially today.
So, he demands Mexico make an upfront payment. instead of a simple tax that keeps maintaining the wall, Trump wants some kind of brokered deal that will not happen because Mexico will be insulted.
But it gets him headlines, and the white nationalists will swoon.
Ace of Spades commenters are not white nationalists: what do you think about this tactic?
Would you prefer an actual sober remittances tax or what Trump delivers?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (UBBWX)
538
So we go from naked white guy backstroking into a sharks mouth to Trumpwars?
It's pretty much the same thing.
It's pretty much the same thing.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (evdj2)
539
It's funny that conservatives are almost 100% supportive of a trade embargo with Cuba over human rights violations, even though China is just as bad. In addition to China using their military to threaten us on nearly a daily basis.
I don't doubt there can be prosperity with open trade, but some things are more important than Apple's iPhone production.
------------
Fair points. Unfortunately Trump (and to be fair most others) don't discuss it in those terms.
But there is definitely a human rights argument to be made with respect to China. Not all countries are created equal. You can have inconsistent positions based on the size, history, and location of a country (e.g., China v. Cuba).
But they are fair points.
I don't doubt there can be prosperity with open trade, but some things are more important than Apple's iPhone production.
------------
Fair points. Unfortunately Trump (and to be fair most others) don't discuss it in those terms.
But there is definitely a human rights argument to be made with respect to China. Not all countries are created equal. You can have inconsistent positions based on the size, history, and location of a country (e.g., China v. Cuba).
But they are fair points.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (gmeXX)
540
This morning, Beck's latests psychosis has him convinced that Trump is working for Hillary. According to him and fellow mental patients, Trump had an hour long call with Bill Clinton the morning he announced
Not that little things such as truth, facts, reality or decency matter to a Trump-Humper, but Trump admitted calling Bill Clinton before deciding to run.
Not that little things such as truth, facts, reality or decency matter to a Trump-Humper, but Trump admitted calling Bill Clinton before deciding to run.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (7uCni)
541
Article in WaPo says that head-to-head polls 200 to 300 days out from Election Day have proven unreliable and useless, based on an analysis of such polls from 2004, 2008 and 2012.
I'd say anything more than 30 days out is trash, and the latest polls are still off, but at least more useful.
As others have noted before, polls are only useful in aggregate and to show trends, but still are questionable. The last 3 major elections worldwide have all been shocking and confusing to pollsters and pundits alike.
I'd say anything more than 30 days out is trash, and the latest polls are still off, but at least more useful.
As others have noted before, polls are only useful in aggregate and to show trends, but still are questionable. The last 3 major elections worldwide have all been shocking and confusing to pollsters and pundits alike.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (39g3+)
542
I thought Flip Wilson was on The Mod Squad?
Posted by: dantesed at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (88xKn)
543
But it gets him headlines, and the white nationalists will swoon.
Ace of Spades commenters are not white nationalists: what do you think about this tactic?
Would you prefer an actual sober remittances tax or what Trump delivers?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (UBBWX)
Shit like that makes you an asshole. Take that racist shit elsewhere
Ace of Spades commenters are not white nationalists: what do you think about this tactic?
Would you prefer an actual sober remittances tax or what Trump delivers?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (UBBWX)
Shit like that makes you an asshole. Take that racist shit elsewhere
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (V/InG)
544
You truly believe the gope will let Cruz get the nomination?
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
It isn't up to them.
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The delegates =/= the GOPe.
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (mR7Es)
It isn't up to them.
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The delegates =/= the GOPe.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (gmeXX)
545
Nood
Posted by: Skip the thread sniper at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (1J6E6)
546
"If Cruz is packing Trump delegates with Cruz supporters so that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky, underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the convention. It will result in the destruction of the GOP as we know it. Delegates like that would deserve a little four knuckle persuasion."
This cannot happen because Trump hires the best and has a great mind, so he would have been aware of the system, and moved to stop this.
BTW, nice threat.
This cannot happen because Trump hires the best and has a great mind, so he would have been aware of the system, and moved to stop this.
BTW, nice threat.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (UBBWX)
547
Well, I was mostly right, but (unlike everybody else, it seems) Cleavon Little has been dead since 1992. So I don't know WTH that talk's all about...
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (/q6+P)
548
Ace of Spades commenters are not white nationalists: what do you think about this tactic?
Would you prefer an actual sober remittances tax or what Trump delivers?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (UBBWX)
TLDR: Trump supporters are raaaaaycis.
What will Mexican people think of you if you support Trump!?!
Would you prefer an actual sober remittances tax or what Trump delivers?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (UBBWX)
TLDR: Trump supporters are raaaaaycis.
What will Mexican people think of you if you support Trump!?!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (uURQL)
549
thought Flip Wilson was on The Mod Squad?
Posted by: dantesed at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (88xKn)
No, he was in Castaway
Posted by: dantesed at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (88xKn)
No, he was in Castaway
Posted by: IP at April 05, 2016 03:48 PM (aQQbl)
550
Can I just say something as someone who doesn't want Trump to be the nominee and would rather have Cruz if that's the only two options.
What assurances do we have that the Cruz infidelity stuff is not true?
I mean, if we have a John Edwards situation, that's it, he's done. And we have seen in the past politicians always think they can get away with this stuff,
My experience in life is usually when there's smoke, there's fire. Why is is he the only candidate (besides Trump's past) that has this hanging over him?
What assurances do we have that the Cruz infidelity stuff is not true?
I mean, if we have a John Edwards situation, that's it, he's done. And we have seen in the past politicians always think they can get away with this stuff,
My experience in life is usually when there's smoke, there's fire. Why is is he the only candidate (besides Trump's past) that has this hanging over him?
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:49 PM (BILR8)
551
If Cruz is packing Trump delegates with Cruz
supporters so that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky,
underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the convention. It will
result in the destruction of the GOP as we know it. Delegates like that
would deserve a little four knuckle persuasion.
Posted by: tommyotto at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (A3a8d)
No it is not... because the delegates do not belong to Trump even if they are bound to vote for him on the first ballot. They belong to the state sending them and must follow state rules (and are free to vote however they want when state rules do not dictate otherwise).
supporters so that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky,
underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the convention. It will
result in the destruction of the GOP as we know it. Delegates like that
would deserve a little four knuckle persuasion.
Posted by: tommyotto at April 05, 2016 03:46 PM (A3a8d)
No it is not... because the delegates do not belong to Trump even if they are bound to vote for him on the first ballot. They belong to the state sending them and must follow state rules (and are free to vote however they want when state rules do not dictate otherwise).
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:49 PM (3JA/M)
552
"Shit like that makes you an asshole. Take that racist shit elsewhere"
I am not a racist. Thanks for trying.
I am asking why Trump announces his payment for the wall in such a manner as to anger Mexico rather than just taxing remittances.
I am not a racist. Thanks for trying.
I am asking why Trump announces his payment for the wall in such a manner as to anger Mexico rather than just taxing remittances.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:49 PM (UBBWX)
553
453 So we go from naked white guy backstroking into a sharks mouth to Trumpwars?
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (HgMAr)
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Trump Wars? Hey you know what might make this thread fun? Coming up with possible titles for Trump Wars movies. I'll start:
Trump Wars: A New Hairpiece
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:35 PM (HgMAr)
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Trump Wars? Hey you know what might make this thread fun? Coming up with possible titles for Trump Wars movies. I'll start:
Trump Wars: A New Hairpiece
Posted by: Serenity Now! at April 05, 2016 03:49 PM (BDZWU)
554
>> If Cruz is packing Trump delegates with Cruz supporters so
>> that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky,
>> underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the
>> convention.
It's called 'playing the game by the rules'.
I'd be perfectly okay with a Cruz nomination on the second ballot.
>> that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky,
>> underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the
>> convention.
It's called 'playing the game by the rules'.
I'd be perfectly okay with a Cruz nomination on the second ballot.
Posted by: JEM at April 05, 2016 03:50 PM (o+SC1)
555
All Canadians are like that.
What, with their flappy heads and beady eyes.
It's the square wheels that bother me.
What, with their flappy heads and beady eyes.
It's the square wheels that bother me.
Posted by: DaveA at April 05, 2016 03:50 PM (DL2i+)
556
"Why is is he the only candidate (besides Trump's past) that has this hanging over him? "
Maybe because he's the last candidate standing and Trump had his friend in the tabloid press run a pack of lies?
But hey, a guy who's a serial adulterer like Trump would never do such a thing, right?
Maybe because he's the last candidate standing and Trump had his friend in the tabloid press run a pack of lies?
But hey, a guy who's a serial adulterer like Trump would never do such a thing, right?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (UBBWX)
557
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (UBBWX)
Read "The Art of the Deal" and all will become clear.
TL
R version: Always ask for way more than you expect or want. That way the other side will be happy(er?) to take the deal you really want.
Read "The Art of the Deal" and all will become clear.
TL
R version: Always ask for way more than you expect or want. That way the other side will be happy(er?) to take the deal you really want.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (0cMkb)
558
It would be kind of cool to see a brawl on the convention floor, like those wacky Ukranians in parliament. But with baseball bats.
Posted by: wth at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (HgMAr)
559
So, he demands Mexico make an upfront payment. instead of a simple tax
that keeps maintaining the wall, Trump wants some kind of brokered deal
that will not happen because Mexico will be insulted.
---
And then the remittance tax is retaliatory for Mexico's douchebaggery. Which then makes congress look worse if they try not to go along with the wall.
I'm pretty much fine with that strategy.
that keeps maintaining the wall, Trump wants some kind of brokered deal
that will not happen because Mexico will be insulted.
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And then the remittance tax is retaliatory for Mexico's douchebaggery. Which then makes congress look worse if they try not to go along with the wall.
I'm pretty much fine with that strategy.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (ZbV+0)
560
WTF with the smiley face?
Posted by: naturalfake at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (Nwg0u)
562
523 @479 "Uh, wasn't he the sherriff in Blazing Saddles?
No, you're thinking of Richard Pryor."
Richard Prior was the black co-star for Gene Wilder in a number of movies, but not Blazing Saddles. That was Cleavon Little.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (/q6+P)
Richard Pryor didn't act in Blazing Saddles, but he was one of the scriptwriters. Oddly enough, the racial jokes weren't written by Pryor. His biggest contribution was all the Mongo scenes (seriously).
523 @479 "Uh, wasn't he the sherriff in Blazing Saddles?
No, you're thinking of Richard Pryor."
Richard Prior was the black co-star for Gene Wilder in a number of movies, but not Blazing Saddles. That was Cleavon Little.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (/q6+P)
Richard Pryor didn't act in Blazing Saddles, but he was one of the scriptwriters. Oddly enough, the racial jokes weren't written by Pryor. His biggest contribution was all the Mongo scenes (seriously).
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (SHfcd)
563
Ohio AG recognizes all chp permits from all other states.Self defense is a constitutionally protected right.
Posted by: Patrick Henry at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (iKNO+)
564
"He has ex wives who speak highly of him"
So, did he divorce them and then go on the dating scene or what?
You gonna mention that he hires illegals and often doesn't pay vendors?
How about the people he stiffed when he went bankrupt?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (UBBWX)
I'm sure, Harun, that Trump is sitting in the trailer on the job site, interviewing Jose, and drawing up fake papers for him. Because it couldn't be that eight or ten layers of business downstream from Trumps office in the process of a project, screws up and hires illegals.
Many American business' have filed for bankruptcy. They use Chapter 11 to reorganize. Those vendors who were "stiffed" will continue their relationship with the business, 1. because now that there is a court involved, they are assured of getting paid 2. they want to do business with the newly reorganized business once it's out of bankruptcy protection.3. They normally see a bankruptcy coming and try to reduce their exposure before it hits. 4. Consider, especially in the construction, commerical building business, dealing with bankruptcies part of doing business.
For every business Trump had go belly up in bankruptcy, he has several more that are successful , employing people and making money for investors and his company.
Trump cheated on Ivana with Marla Maples. We all know this.
His divorce from her was tabloid legend. He married Maples , they ended up married for six years and then Maples wanted a divorce. She has lived ever since in California, working as an actress, etc. and raising their daughter with his financial help.
He married Melania almost 12 years ago(six years after his divorce and , they have a seven year old son.
He has had a poor record of being faithful to his wives. I get it.
That doesn't mean he is an "awful person" in the rest of his life. He has proven otherwise.
So, did he divorce them and then go on the dating scene or what?
You gonna mention that he hires illegals and often doesn't pay vendors?
How about the people he stiffed when he went bankrupt?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:34 PM (UBBWX)
I'm sure, Harun, that Trump is sitting in the trailer on the job site, interviewing Jose, and drawing up fake papers for him. Because it couldn't be that eight or ten layers of business downstream from Trumps office in the process of a project, screws up and hires illegals.
Many American business' have filed for bankruptcy. They use Chapter 11 to reorganize. Those vendors who were "stiffed" will continue their relationship with the business, 1. because now that there is a court involved, they are assured of getting paid 2. they want to do business with the newly reorganized business once it's out of bankruptcy protection.3. They normally see a bankruptcy coming and try to reduce their exposure before it hits. 4. Consider, especially in the construction, commerical building business, dealing with bankruptcies part of doing business.
For every business Trump had go belly up in bankruptcy, he has several more that are successful , employing people and making money for investors and his company.
Trump cheated on Ivana with Marla Maples. We all know this.
His divorce from her was tabloid legend. He married Maples , they ended up married for six years and then Maples wanted a divorce. She has lived ever since in California, working as an actress, etc. and raising their daughter with his financial help.
He married Melania almost 12 years ago(six years after his divorce and , they have a seven year old son.
He has had a poor record of being faithful to his wives. I get it.
That doesn't mean he is an "awful person" in the rest of his life. He has proven otherwise.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (ph1j2)
565
526 It's not the same for anti-Trumps. He gives us something new everyday to discuss.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (KEA7I)
Just a variation on the same
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (V/InG)
Variation? So this post is a variation of all his other hints at violence? What was his abortion statements a variation of? Or his attack on Mrs. Cruz. Was that a variation of his other attacks on various women. Are we only allowed to discuss this in the general sense and not separately. Is his various backtracking on various subjects only allowed to be discussed in terms of 'backtracking' ?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:42 PM (KEA7I)
Just a variation on the same
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (V/InG)
Variation? So this post is a variation of all his other hints at violence? What was his abortion statements a variation of? Or his attack on Mrs. Cruz. Was that a variation of his other attacks on various women. Are we only allowed to discuss this in the general sense and not separately. Is his various backtracking on various subjects only allowed to be discussed in terms of 'backtracking' ?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (KEA7I)
566
@540 "...Not that little things such as truth, facts, reality or decency matter to a Trump-Humper, but Trump admitted calling Bill Clinton before deciding to run."
As far as anybody knows, that's what's called a "courtesy call", so people you've had relationships with don't hear the news from the TV, followed by Bill trying to talk him out of it.
There's the "facts", and then there's the conspiracy theories derived from the "facts".
As far as anybody knows, that's what's called a "courtesy call", so people you've had relationships with don't hear the news from the TV, followed by Bill trying to talk him out of it.
There's the "facts", and then there's the conspiracy theories derived from the "facts".
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 03:53 PM (/q6+P)
567
437
Cruz's charitable works are a little harder to find. He has spent most of his adult life either as a litigator in the Texas state gov. or as Senator. As far as I'm concerned, I find him to be a straight forward and honest , until proven otherwise. He doesn't have the resources Trump has, so he can't be quite as generous.
He's pretty free with teddy bears and soccer balls. Ask any illegal immigrant.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (RcpcZ)
________________________________
Ted was just helping hand them out. Beck bought the darn things. So, even that doesn't really count as good works, just political opportunism to show the appearance of compassion (and an effort to induce more illegal immigration).
Cruz's charitable works are a little harder to find. He has spent most of his adult life either as a litigator in the Texas state gov. or as Senator. As far as I'm concerned, I find him to be a straight forward and honest , until proven otherwise. He doesn't have the resources Trump has, so he can't be quite as generous.
He's pretty free with teddy bears and soccer balls. Ask any illegal immigrant.
Posted by: Ed Anger at April 05, 2016 03:33 PM (RcpcZ)
________________________________
Ted was just helping hand them out. Beck bought the darn things. So, even that doesn't really count as good works, just political opportunism to show the appearance of compassion (and an effort to induce more illegal immigration).
Posted by: tommylotto at April 05, 2016 03:53 PM (A3a8d)
568
Someone "right wing" that actually fights the brutal battle of
politics. I haven't seen it from the right in so long I forgot what it
looked like.
Ok, I have my head around it - frankly, I no longer give a shit. Sorry. I'm all histrionic-ed and arm-flailed out. I see a trend of Ace only seeming to "care" when posting about Trump; any post he sends up about Obama or Hilliary have a "eh, what are ya gonna do about it?" kinda vibe.
Keep in mind, Cruz could also have it "stolen" from him, too. The Party does not have to pick either one of them, so why settle for Cruz that ran and had less votes if you won't pick Trump with the most votes? Since that magical delegate number is more important that actual people's votes, and neither will have it.
I say this in all honesty - if you make people think you are royally screwing them, don't be surprised when you catch a beer bottle to the head. That's not saying it's good or bad, right or wrong, I'm saying that's what's gonna happen.
If Cruz takes it at convention, a lot of Trump voters stay home, and Cruz loses the general (but at least he actually ran in the primaries). If Trump takes it, by a majority of actual votes, then Cruz voters may stay home, but Trump at least won "fair".
But if the GOP/Ryan swoops in and steals it according to some B.S. arcane party rule designed to water down actual votes from registered party voters (which, ah ,makes me part of the party, too) , then expect "festivities". Because it will show that the parties, the PARTIES, don't care about your vote and never did. At that point, this "party" structure needs to go, because all it does is keep a voter from voting for a candidate, and expecting the majority vote to actually matter. "Sorry, arcane party rule wins out over votes! Too bad for you! here comes Mittens III!". Anyone that dutifully sits still for that is nothing but a sheep, and always will be.
Meanwhile, Hillary actually got people killed and actually jeopardized National Security and SAPs to a level that boggles the mind, but what the fuck, she's better than Trump, right?
politics. I haven't seen it from the right in so long I forgot what it
looked like.
Ok, I have my head around it - frankly, I no longer give a shit. Sorry. I'm all histrionic-ed and arm-flailed out. I see a trend of Ace only seeming to "care" when posting about Trump; any post he sends up about Obama or Hilliary have a "eh, what are ya gonna do about it?" kinda vibe.
Keep in mind, Cruz could also have it "stolen" from him, too. The Party does not have to pick either one of them, so why settle for Cruz that ran and had less votes if you won't pick Trump with the most votes? Since that magical delegate number is more important that actual people's votes, and neither will have it.
I say this in all honesty - if you make people think you are royally screwing them, don't be surprised when you catch a beer bottle to the head. That's not saying it's good or bad, right or wrong, I'm saying that's what's gonna happen.
If Cruz takes it at convention, a lot of Trump voters stay home, and Cruz loses the general (but at least he actually ran in the primaries). If Trump takes it, by a majority of actual votes, then Cruz voters may stay home, but Trump at least won "fair".
But if the GOP/Ryan swoops in and steals it according to some B.S. arcane party rule designed to water down actual votes from registered party voters (which, ah ,makes me part of the party, too) , then expect "festivities". Because it will show that the parties, the PARTIES, don't care about your vote and never did. At that point, this "party" structure needs to go, because all it does is keep a voter from voting for a candidate, and expecting the majority vote to actually matter. "Sorry, arcane party rule wins out over votes! Too bad for you! here comes Mittens III!". Anyone that dutifully sits still for that is nothing but a sheep, and always will be.
Meanwhile, Hillary actually got people killed and actually jeopardized National Security and SAPs to a level that boggles the mind, but what the fuck, she's better than Trump, right?
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at April 05, 2016 03:53 PM (i6shs)
569
he more I'm going to say "Ho Lee Fook" when I pull that lever
I've burnt a clutch before. It obviously didn't kill me.
I've burnt a clutch before. It obviously didn't kill me.
Posted by: DaveA at April 05, 2016 03:54 PM (DL2i+)
570
WTF with the smiley face?
Posted by: naturalfake at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (0cMkb)
You had colon and a capital d next to each other with no spaces.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (0cMkb)
You had colon and a capital d next to each other with no spaces.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:54 PM (3JA/M)
571
It isn't up to them.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (3JA/M)
Shows you how delusional you Cruz zombies are. 99% of all delegates are Party Apparatchiks. If you think that on a second ballot all of them will suddenly switch and vote Cruz, instead of going for the white knight "compromise candidate", I have a great deal on bridge in Cuba to interest you in.
It isn't up to them.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:45 PM (3JA/M)
Shows you how delusional you Cruz zombies are. 99% of all delegates are Party Apparatchiks. If you think that on a second ballot all of them will suddenly switch and vote Cruz, instead of going for the white knight "compromise candidate", I have a great deal on bridge in Cuba to interest you in.
Posted by: Certified TrueCon at April 05, 2016 03:54 PM (EKPqR)
572
>> I am asking why Trump announces his payment for the
>> wall in such a manner as to anger Mexico rather than just
>> taxing remittances.
Why should he NOT?
As President of the United States, you are President of the United Fucking States. You are not President of Mexico. You are not President of China. You are not President of Russia. You are not President of Iran, like the current piece of shit seems to think he is.
You represent the citizens of the US, not those of some other entity. And saying something that's entirely reasonable to the US, but perhaps offensive to a foreign state, is just fine.
>> wall in such a manner as to anger Mexico rather than just
>> taxing remittances.
Why should he NOT?
As President of the United States, you are President of the United Fucking States. You are not President of Mexico. You are not President of China. You are not President of Russia. You are not President of Iran, like the current piece of shit seems to think he is.
You represent the citizens of the US, not those of some other entity. And saying something that's entirely reasonable to the US, but perhaps offensive to a foreign state, is just fine.
Posted by: JEM at April 05, 2016 03:54 PM (o+SC1)
573
Maybe because he's the last candidate standing and Trump had his friend in the tabloid press run a pack of lies?
But hey, a guy who's a serial adulterer like Trump would never do such a thing, right?
Posted by: Harun
___________
But Ace has said he's heard rumors of this before the National Enquirer.
And that many news outlets have had this evidence given to them but declined to run it.
A Washington Times reporter has stated he's sure some of the mistreeses are "legit"
We KNOW Trump has had infidelity, so it's not to make a comparison with him, but it makes me nervous.
But hey, a guy who's a serial adulterer like Trump would never do such a thing, right?
Posted by: Harun
___________
But Ace has said he's heard rumors of this before the National Enquirer.
And that many news outlets have had this evidence given to them but declined to run it.
A Washington Times reporter has stated he's sure some of the mistreeses are "legit"
We KNOW Trump has had infidelity, so it's not to make a comparison with him, but it makes me nervous.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:55 PM (BILR8)
574
429
Cruz then gives a angry speech about how he has been lied to by the delegates who have just chosen Paul Ryan. Now he will return to the Senate and continue to battle for True Conservatives by giving a lot more angry speeches. Only to be played by Mitch McConnell again, followed by a angry speech again about how Mitch played him.
That is why I am now an admitted "Nationalist". Conservatism is now a name for two types of people:
1. Oligarchs (Bush Wing) - who lie about their conservatism on most issues except low taxes for rich guys and free trade. They then get played by the Progs. See: Paul Ryan.
2. Philosophers (Cruz Wing) - who talk a lot about conservatism, but always get played by the Oligarchs and then get really angry about it. See: Mark Levin.
In the mean time the Progressives are taking to the streets bullying everyone into surrender, and have taken over academia, media, and government. Nationalism is the only cure for the Progressive movement. It can make arguments against it that the modern conservatives cannot or will not make.
Cruz then gives a angry speech about how he has been lied to by the delegates who have just chosen Paul Ryan. Now he will return to the Senate and continue to battle for True Conservatives by giving a lot more angry speeches. Only to be played by Mitch McConnell again, followed by a angry speech again about how Mitch played him.
That is why I am now an admitted "Nationalist". Conservatism is now a name for two types of people:
1. Oligarchs (Bush Wing) - who lie about their conservatism on most issues except low taxes for rich guys and free trade. They then get played by the Progs. See: Paul Ryan.
2. Philosophers (Cruz Wing) - who talk a lot about conservatism, but always get played by the Oligarchs and then get really angry about it. See: Mark Levin.
In the mean time the Progressives are taking to the streets bullying everyone into surrender, and have taken over academia, media, and government. Nationalism is the only cure for the Progressive movement. It can make arguments against it that the modern conservatives cannot or will not make.
Posted by: William Eaton at April 05, 2016 03:55 PM (KhJh8)
575
@ 405
Wow.. bend truth much?
B/c Trump cheated on his wife? OK Cruz probably did too.
****Trump cheated on his wives (plural) with other women, both single and married. And then bragged about it in his book. Oh and Cruz probably did NOT> All the women involved have said, NO, and the only ones pushing the fake story are Trump people, because its all they have.****
B/c Trump has had shady business deals? OK Cruz had his unreported loan.
**** Trump is a slimey business dealer, and now he wants to make a deal with the American People. He wants to fleece us all. Cruz' loan.. who cares. It was inadvertant. We all know about it now, its been acknowledged, and disclosures updated to be accurate. Even the NYTimes said he got no special loan deal.****
B/c Trump supported Democrats? OK Cruz had Obama's trade deal
**** No because he IS a democrat. Other than Borders, he is a liberal. He is running as a Dem because he cannot go further left than Bernie and he does not have a vagina to compete with Hillary. Cruz never said he supported the TTP trade deal. He voted for TPA which is fast track authority. It gives more freedom to negotiators, but the Trade deal still has to get a vote. The vote has not happened yet.***
B/c Trump flip-flopped? OK Cruz H1B visa
**** Trump flip flops within HOURS of saying something. Why, because he does not actually believe any of it. He has to back track when he says something while talking out of his ass****
B/c Trump compared his wife to Cruz's? OK, but that was fucking funny
**** No he attacked Cruz' wife. Why? Because some posted a naughty picture that his wife voluntarily allowed to be taken. He followed Trump tactic #1, attack the woman.****
Wow.. bend truth much?
B/c Trump cheated on his wife? OK Cruz probably did too.
****Trump cheated on his wives (plural) with other women, both single and married. And then bragged about it in his book. Oh and Cruz probably did NOT> All the women involved have said, NO, and the only ones pushing the fake story are Trump people, because its all they have.****
B/c Trump has had shady business deals? OK Cruz had his unreported loan.
**** Trump is a slimey business dealer, and now he wants to make a deal with the American People. He wants to fleece us all. Cruz' loan.. who cares. It was inadvertant. We all know about it now, its been acknowledged, and disclosures updated to be accurate. Even the NYTimes said he got no special loan deal.****
B/c Trump supported Democrats? OK Cruz had Obama's trade deal
**** No because he IS a democrat. Other than Borders, he is a liberal. He is running as a Dem because he cannot go further left than Bernie and he does not have a vagina to compete with Hillary. Cruz never said he supported the TTP trade deal. He voted for TPA which is fast track authority. It gives more freedom to negotiators, but the Trade deal still has to get a vote. The vote has not happened yet.***
B/c Trump flip-flopped? OK Cruz H1B visa
**** Trump flip flops within HOURS of saying something. Why, because he does not actually believe any of it. He has to back track when he says something while talking out of his ass****
B/c Trump compared his wife to Cruz's? OK, but that was fucking funny
**** No he attacked Cruz' wife. Why? Because some posted a naughty picture that his wife voluntarily allowed to be taken. He followed Trump tactic #1, attack the woman.****
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 03:55 PM (Gl74b)
576
All Canadians are like that.
What, with their flappy heads and beady eyes.
It's the square wheels that bother me.
Posted by: DaveA
It's the gravy on french fries.
What, with their flappy heads and beady eyes.
It's the square wheels that bother me.
Posted by: DaveA
It's the gravy on french fries.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 03:55 PM (NsI03)
577
ut hey, a guy who's a serial adulterer like Trump would never do such a thing, right?
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (UBBWX)
Harun, pretty much everyone in the media agrees that the Cruz tabloid story was arranged by Rubios' campaign.
Trump has denied it, he even said the other day that he thinks the entire story being run is "sick".
This morning, Laura Ingraham jumped all over Brian Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again, EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 03:51 PM (UBBWX)
Harun, pretty much everyone in the media agrees that the Cruz tabloid story was arranged by Rubios' campaign.
Trump has denied it, he even said the other day that he thinks the entire story being run is "sick".
This morning, Laura Ingraham jumped all over Brian Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again, EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:56 PM (ph1j2)
578
494 redbanzai, you know that wasn't serious. But I WAS trying to make a point that SH and Harun picked up on, which is that he should be able to cut a deal, or several of them, if he's as savvy as he claims to be. No one wants to see how sausage is made. It doesn't have to be out and out bribery -- just do it like legislation: After the convention, the Trump golf course catering contract is up for renegotiation and I'm looking for new vendors, Mr. Delegate in the Catering Business. Uncommitted Wyoming delegation, I always wanted to have a Trump resort in Jackson Hole. You would all be fantastic advisory board members. If he can't wheel and deal for himself, then how the hell do we believe he's going to wheel and deal with Putin, like he claims?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: Kirk Douglas, Wyoming at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (HgMAr)
580
"This morning, Laura Ingraham jumped all over Brian Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again, EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp."
After Rubio became Romney's Rent Boy.
After Rubio became Romney's Rent Boy.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (r1fLd)
581
Keep in mind, Cruz could also have it "stolen" from him, too. The Party
does not have to pick either one of them, so why settle for Cruz that
ran and had less votes if you won't pick Trump with the most votes?
Since that magical delegate number is more important that actual
people's votes, and neither will have it.
I say this in all
honesty - if you make people think you are royally screwing them, don't
be surprised when you catch a beer bottle to the head. That's not saying
it's good or bad, right or wrong, I'm saying that's what's gonna
happen.
If Cruz takes it at convention, a lot of Trump voters
stay home, and Cruz loses the general (but at least he actually ran in
the primaries). If Trump takes it, by a majority of actual votes, then
Cruz voters may stay home, but Trump at least won "fair".
=====
First, the rules as they currently are and the rules in any iteration since 1860 do not allow someone who isn't running and who hasn't reached a certain level of support to be the nominee.
Second, any candidate needs a majority to win. Sorry if you think Cruz is thwarting the inevitability of Trump but that just isn't the case. What is thwarting Trump is his inability to get to 1237.
does not have to pick either one of them, so why settle for Cruz that
ran and had less votes if you won't pick Trump with the most votes?
Since that magical delegate number is more important that actual
people's votes, and neither will have it.
I say this in all
honesty - if you make people think you are royally screwing them, don't
be surprised when you catch a beer bottle to the head. That's not saying
it's good or bad, right or wrong, I'm saying that's what's gonna
happen.
If Cruz takes it at convention, a lot of Trump voters
stay home, and Cruz loses the general (but at least he actually ran in
the primaries). If Trump takes it, by a majority of actual votes, then
Cruz voters may stay home, but Trump at least won "fair".
=====
First, the rules as they currently are and the rules in any iteration since 1860 do not allow someone who isn't running and who hasn't reached a certain level of support to be the nominee.
Second, any candidate needs a majority to win. Sorry if you think Cruz is thwarting the inevitability of Trump but that just isn't the case. What is thwarting Trump is his inability to get to 1237.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (3JA/M)
582
If Cruz is packing Trump delegates with Cruz supporters so that they defect on the second ballot, that is a sneaky, underhanded, and undemocratic effort to steal the convention.
No it's not. It's working the rules to your advantage. It's fighting for the prize, the goal you seek.
Cruz'16: He Fights
No it's not. It's working the rules to your advantage. It's fighting for the prize, the goal you seek.
Cruz'16: He Fights
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (evdj2)
583
Posted by: RawDogRevolution at April 05, 2016 03:44 PM (10hEu)
I'm not going to go into all the reasons why here - many others have - but in my view, dare I say objectively, Cruz, who wasn't my first or even second choice is light years better than Trump. For one, Trump is clearly incapable of comporting himself like a decent adult. No, that is not superficial. It goes to basic aspects of character. But that isn't even my biggest problem with him.
As another commenter (redbanzai? ) said the other day (paraphrased), Trump doesn't fight for principles, he fights people for himself.
I'm not going to go into all the reasons why here - many others have - but in my view, dare I say objectively, Cruz, who wasn't my first or even second choice is light years better than Trump. For one, Trump is clearly incapable of comporting himself like a decent adult. No, that is not superficial. It goes to basic aspects of character. But that isn't even my biggest problem with him.
As another commenter (redbanzai? ) said the other day (paraphrased), Trump doesn't fight for principles, he fights people for himself.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:00 PM (vzMuS)
584
OK, seriously about the Cruz infidelity thing. Ask the woman in your life how plausible that is. Ted's a great guy, but sexual magnetism ain't one of his qualities. Ladies, amiright?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (5f5bM)
585
redbanzai, you know that wasn't serious. But I WAS
trying to make a point that SH and Harun picked up on, which is that he
should be able to cut a deal, or several of them, if he's as savvy as he
claims to be. No one wants to see how sausage is made. It doesn't have
to be out and out bribery -- just do it like legislation: After the
convention, the Trump golf course catering contract is up for
renegotiation and I'm looking for new vendors, Mr. Delegate in the
Catering Business. Uncommitted Wyoming delegation, I always wanted to
have a Trump resort in Jackson Hole. You would all be fantastic advisory
board members. If he can't wheel and deal for himself, then how the
hell do we believe he's going to wheel and deal with Putin, like he
claims?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (5f5bM)
OK... sorry. In my defense, someone was seriously floating that idea here a day or two ago.
trying to make a point that SH and Harun picked up on, which is that he
should be able to cut a deal, or several of them, if he's as savvy as he
claims to be. No one wants to see how sausage is made. It doesn't have
to be out and out bribery -- just do it like legislation: After the
convention, the Trump golf course catering contract is up for
renegotiation and I'm looking for new vendors, Mr. Delegate in the
Catering Business. Uncommitted Wyoming delegation, I always wanted to
have a Trump resort in Jackson Hole. You would all be fantastic advisory
board members. If he can't wheel and deal for himself, then how the
hell do we believe he's going to wheel and deal with Putin, like he
claims?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (5f5bM)
OK... sorry. In my defense, someone was seriously floating that idea here a day or two ago.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (3JA/M)
586
If we just slapped a 10% tariff on Mexican imports we'd have a wall paid for in probably something like 24 months.
But Trump still can't explain that and make a reasonable case for his position. Instead he'd rather play the tough guy act as if he's going to go in there like an episode of the Apprentice and make Mexico cut us a big check.
But Trump still can't explain that and make a reasonable case for his position. Instead he'd rather play the tough guy act as if he's going to go in there like an episode of the Apprentice and make Mexico cut us a big check.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (BILR8)
587
@556 "Maybe because he's the last candidate standing and Trump had his friend in the tabloid press run a pack of lies?"
The interesting theory about THAT little episode is that all of a sudden, when it can be spun into negative press towards Trump, the press actually pays attention to an article in the National Enquirer.
At the same time Trump is held responsible for something somebody else does to try to help him, but Cruz is not held responsible for something a Cruz PAC does for him.
Gee, it's ALMOST like there's a DOUBLE STANDARD, or something...
The interesting theory about THAT little episode is that all of a sudden, when it can be spun into negative press towards Trump, the press actually pays attention to an article in the National Enquirer.
At the same time Trump is held responsible for something somebody else does to try to help him, but Cruz is not held responsible for something a Cruz PAC does for him.
Gee, it's ALMOST like there's a DOUBLE STANDARD, or something...
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (/q6+P)
588
"if you make people think you are royally screwing them, don't
be surprised when you catch a beer bottle to the head. That's not saying
it's good or bad, right or wrong, I'm saying that's what's gonna
happen."
Quit being mealy-mouthed. Force is the ONLY proven and reliable antidote to Fraud. When the lies of peace become too great to bear, the truths of war much substitute.
be surprised when you catch a beer bottle to the head. That's not saying
it's good or bad, right or wrong, I'm saying that's what's gonna
happen."
Quit being mealy-mouthed. Force is the ONLY proven and reliable antidote to Fraud. When the lies of peace become too great to bear, the truths of war much substitute.
Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (61Gds)
589
Variation? So this post is a variation of all his other hints at violence? What was his abortion statements a variation of? Or his attack on Mrs. Cruz. Was that a variation of his other attacks on various women.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (KEA7I)
So when did you "conservatives" turn into Special Snowflake wymyn rights lunatic SJWs?
Oh wait, you GOPtards were never actually conservative, just your average run-of-the-mill liberals with peculiar war fetishes.
What a pathetic visage the Conservosphere has become. Like a grotesquely enlarged anus of a rotten pig carcass.
Variation? So this post is a variation of all his other hints at violence? What was his abortion statements a variation of? Or his attack on Mrs. Cruz. Was that a variation of his other attacks on various women.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (KEA7I)
So when did you "conservatives" turn into Special Snowflake wymyn rights lunatic SJWs?
Oh wait, you GOPtards were never actually conservative, just your average run-of-the-mill liberals with peculiar war fetishes.
What a pathetic visage the Conservosphere has become. Like a grotesquely enlarged anus of a rotten pig carcass.
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (EKPqR)
590
As another commenter (redbanzai? ) said the other
day (paraphrased), Trump doesn't fight for principles, he fights people
for himself.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:00 PM (vzMuS)
Word.
day (paraphrased), Trump doesn't fight for principles, he fights people
for himself.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:00 PM (vzMuS)
Word.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:02 PM (3JA/M)
591
OK, seriously about the Cruz infidelity thing. Ask the woman in your life how plausible that is. Ted's a great guy, but sexual magnetism ain't one of his qualities. Ladies, amiright?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
It's all about power.
These guys are completely invisible to women until they get "Senator" or another big shot title in front of their names.
Look at the women Henry Kissinger was getting.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
It's all about power.
These guys are completely invisible to women until they get "Senator" or another big shot title in front of their names.
Look at the women Henry Kissinger was getting.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:02 PM (BILR8)
592
OK, seriously about the Cruz infidelity thing. Ask the woman in your life how plausible that is. Ted's a great guy, but sexual magnetism ain't one of his qualities. Ladies, amiright?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (5f5bM)
National politician. Did you see the ONT where a guy without arms and legs had 5 mistresses?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:01 PM (5f5bM)
National politician. Did you see the ONT where a guy without arms and legs had 5 mistresses?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:03 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 04:03 PM (KEA7I)
594
Wow... and you people wonder why we don't see Trump's appeal.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (3JA/M)
I want a bull dog. I want someone to get down in the gutter with the democrats, and slug it out...as opposed to the most recent crop of GOP candidates. I want a candidate that is willing to fight it out in a bloody bare knuckled brawl, because that's what democrats bring to the ring, and that's where we need to beat them.
McCandidate 2.0, or a Romney Reboot will not defeat Hillary. Granted, I don't expect a perfect conservative candidate...but it would be nice to be offered a candidate, imperfect as he may be, that is willing to kick Hillary's ass all over this country. Bloody Knuckles.
If this isn't your cup of warmed chamomile tea, I understand. Fighting aint for the weak of heart. Maybe, you might think, if we're nice enough, people will like us, and vote for us. Maybe, that might work for you, but it doesn't for me.
Wow... and you people wonder why we don't see Trump's appeal.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:32 PM (3JA/M)
I want a bull dog. I want someone to get down in the gutter with the democrats, and slug it out...as opposed to the most recent crop of GOP candidates. I want a candidate that is willing to fight it out in a bloody bare knuckled brawl, because that's what democrats bring to the ring, and that's where we need to beat them.
McCandidate 2.0, or a Romney Reboot will not defeat Hillary. Granted, I don't expect a perfect conservative candidate...but it would be nice to be offered a candidate, imperfect as he may be, that is willing to kick Hillary's ass all over this country. Bloody Knuckles.
If this isn't your cup of warmed chamomile tea, I understand. Fighting aint for the weak of heart. Maybe, you might think, if we're nice enough, people will like us, and vote for us. Maybe, that might work for you, but it doesn't for me.
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 04:04 PM (0IhFx)
595
No it is not... because the delegates do not belong to Trump even if they are bound to vote for him on the first ballot. They belong to the state sending them and must follow state rules (and are free to vote however they want when state rules do not dictate otherwise).
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:49 PM (3JA/M)
_____________________
I understand the rules, but a Trump delegate should be a true Trump supporter, not just a Cruz supporter that unfortunately has to vote for Trump on the first ballot only. They were sent to the convention to represent the interests of all the voters that voted in the primary for their candidate of choice -- Trump. Any effort to pack Trump delegates with Cruz partisans (or GOPe partisans for that matter) is an undemocratic effort to steal the nomination. The fact that Cruz supporters see no problem with this speaks volumes.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 03:49 PM (3JA/M)
_____________________
I understand the rules, but a Trump delegate should be a true Trump supporter, not just a Cruz supporter that unfortunately has to vote for Trump on the first ballot only. They were sent to the convention to represent the interests of all the voters that voted in the primary for their candidate of choice -- Trump. Any effort to pack Trump delegates with Cruz partisans (or GOPe partisans for that matter) is an undemocratic effort to steal the nomination. The fact that Cruz supporters see no problem with this speaks volumes.
Posted by: tommylotto at April 05, 2016 04:04 PM (A3a8d)
596
That doesn't mean he is an "awful person" in the rest of his life. He has proven otherwise.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (ph1j2)
Based on what he's shown us, he still seems pretty awful to me. But that's just me.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:52 PM (ph1j2)
Based on what he's shown us, he still seems pretty awful to me. But that's just me.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:05 PM (vzMuS)
597
As another commenter (redbanzai? ) said the other
day (paraphrased), Trump doesn't fight for principles, he fights people
for himself.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:00 PM (vzMuS)
If that were true, Corey Lewandowski would be fired and run over by the bus.
The principles Trump has are different than typical conservative politican principles, but they exist and that's what's attracting people to him.
day (paraphrased), Trump doesn't fight for principles, he fights people
for himself.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:00 PM (vzMuS)
If that were true, Corey Lewandowski would be fired and run over by the bus.
The principles Trump has are different than typical conservative politican principles, but they exist and that's what's attracting people to him.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)
598
But Ace has said he's heard rumors of this before the National Enquirer.
And that many news outlets have had this evidence given to them but declined to run it.
A Washington Times reporter has stated he's sure some of the mistreeses are "legit"
We KNOW Trump has had infidelity, so it's not to make a comparison with him, but it makes me nervous.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:55 PM (BILR
Bullshit... if it were a legit story the legitimate press would have been tripping over themselves to print it (they don't exactly love Cruz, ya know).
And you are not fooling anyone with the fake "I am really and honestly a Cruz supporter who has concerning concerns" either.
And that many news outlets have had this evidence given to them but declined to run it.
A Washington Times reporter has stated he's sure some of the mistreeses are "legit"
We KNOW Trump has had infidelity, so it's not to make a comparison with him, but it makes me nervous.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 03:55 PM (BILR
Bullshit... if it were a legit story the legitimate press would have been tripping over themselves to print it (they don't exactly love Cruz, ya know).
And you are not fooling anyone with the fake "I am really and honestly a Cruz supporter who has concerning concerns" either.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:06 PM (3JA/M)
599
BTW, if there turns out to be any truth to the Cruz story, this was of bringing it up is actually GOOD FOR Cruz, if somehow he actually does get the nod. It gets dismissed and discredited as something jerky, and if the Dems try to bring it up it's a sort of "double jeopardy" situation.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:07 PM (/q6+P)
600
Not that little things such as truth, facts, reality or decency matter to a Trump-Humper, but Trump admitted calling Bill Clinton before deciding to run.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (7uCni)
Bill, hey it's Donald. Yeah that's right. Yeah I'm doing it, I'm running. I'm gonna take your old office over. It'll be a yuge campaign, the best. And I'm gonna go someplace you've never been.
I'm gonna schlong your wife.
*slams phone down*
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 05, 2016 03:47 PM (7uCni)
Bill, hey it's Donald. Yeah that's right. Yeah I'm doing it, I'm running. I'm gonna take your old office over. It'll be a yuge campaign, the best. And I'm gonna go someplace you've never been.
I'm gonna schlong your wife.
*slams phone down*
Posted by: Donald effing Trump at April 05, 2016 04:07 PM (xuouz)
601
Totally O/T --
Just saw a photo from yesterday's Texas Rangers home opener of GWB. Not so great a President but what a good man. Good people, him and Laura. Breaks my heart, the juxtaposition of the Bushes vs whomever gets elected.
I guess the training I've had over the last eight years in trying to avoid seeing or hearing the current President will hopefully stand me in good stead for the next four.
Just saw a photo from yesterday's Texas Rangers home opener of GWB. Not so great a President but what a good man. Good people, him and Laura. Breaks my heart, the juxtaposition of the Bushes vs whomever gets elected.
I guess the training I've had over the last eight years in trying to avoid seeing or hearing the current President will hopefully stand me in good stead for the next four.
Posted by: Usedtocould at April 05, 2016 04:08 PM (bYwuM)
602
which is that he
should be able to cut a deal, or several of them, if he's as savvy as he
claims to be.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (5f5bM)
He has 104 days to do it.
should be able to cut a deal, or several of them, if he's as savvy as he
claims to be.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 03:58 PM (5f5bM)
He has 104 days to do it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 04:09 PM (xuouz)
603
I understand the rules, but a Trump delegate should
be a true Trump supporter, not just a Cruz supporter that unfortunately
has to vote for Trump on the first ballot only. They were sent to the
convention to represent the interests of all the voters that voted in
the primary for their candidate of choice -- Trump. Any effort to pack
Trump delegates with Cruz partisans (or GOPe partisans for that matter)
is an undemocratic effort to steal the nomination. The fact that Cruz
supporters see no problem with this speaks volumes.
Posted by: tommylotto at April 05, 2016 04:04 PM (A3a8d)
Less than 40% of voters have (on average) voted for Trump. And that number is inflated by Democrats. Delegates represent the other 60%+ of voters too.
be a true Trump supporter, not just a Cruz supporter that unfortunately
has to vote for Trump on the first ballot only. They were sent to the
convention to represent the interests of all the voters that voted in
the primary for their candidate of choice -- Trump. Any effort to pack
Trump delegates with Cruz partisans (or GOPe partisans for that matter)
is an undemocratic effort to steal the nomination. The fact that Cruz
supporters see no problem with this speaks volumes.
Posted by: tommylotto at April 05, 2016 04:04 PM (A3a8d)
Less than 40% of voters have (on average) voted for Trump. And that number is inflated by Democrats. Delegates represent the other 60%+ of voters too.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:09 PM (3JA/M)
604
581-
Don't put me in a box. Don't try to turn a comment into a fight. It gets old, especially from you.
I already stated several times on this blog (and in response to you) that I am voting for Cruz in the Primary. Unlike a lot of arm-flailers I will vote for Trump in the General. Because there is a lot going on here that goes WAY beyond party and principle.
But I prefer he with the most votes, votes of actual voters I might add, to win. The Delegate System is nothing but a way to water down popular party voter will. That's exactly what it's being used for - an arbitrary number is picked, and if you don't meet it, too bad. Even if you are one delegate short? Three? Ten?
Cruz has every right to stay in the race, as does Trump. If EITHER was popular enough, they would already have the magical number. They BOTH don't. Because NEITHER is popular enough. Get it? If they were, you wouldn't have this blowout. That ought to cause supporters from both sides to worry.
"First, the rules as they currently are and the rules in any iteration since 1860 do not allow someone who isn't running and who hasn't reached a certain level of support to be the nominee".
Won't you be surprised when the "rules" change to fit a desired result. Or even better, another heretofore "unknown rule" changes that status quo.
Don't put me in a box. Don't try to turn a comment into a fight. It gets old, especially from you.
I already stated several times on this blog (and in response to you) that I am voting for Cruz in the Primary. Unlike a lot of arm-flailers I will vote for Trump in the General. Because there is a lot going on here that goes WAY beyond party and principle.
But I prefer he with the most votes, votes of actual voters I might add, to win. The Delegate System is nothing but a way to water down popular party voter will. That's exactly what it's being used for - an arbitrary number is picked, and if you don't meet it, too bad. Even if you are one delegate short? Three? Ten?
Cruz has every right to stay in the race, as does Trump. If EITHER was popular enough, they would already have the magical number. They BOTH don't. Because NEITHER is popular enough. Get it? If they were, you wouldn't have this blowout. That ought to cause supporters from both sides to worry.
"First, the rules as they currently are and the rules in any iteration since 1860 do not allow someone who isn't running and who hasn't reached a certain level of support to be the nominee".
Won't you be surprised when the "rules" change to fit a desired result. Or even better, another heretofore "unknown rule" changes that status quo.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at April 05, 2016 04:09 PM (i6shs)
605
Roger Stone IS the New York values Donald Trump defends.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 05, 2016 04:10 PM (Kucy5)
606
Cruz has actually stood up against the majority of his party, the conservative intelligentsia plus the whole Democrat wing, but he's such a wimp. He Pursued won a case against the Bush Administration. Not a fighter.
I guess he just needs to be a loudmouth who throws insults all over the place to be recognized as a fighter.
I guess he just needs to be a loudmouth who throws insults all over the place to be recognized as a fighter.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:10 PM (vzMuS)
607
This morning, Laura Ingraham jumped all over Brian
Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again,
EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:56 PM (ph1j2)
Not too shabby.
Will they ever remember which faction attacked Trumps wife first as she would be the first FLOTUS, in like two hundred years, who was not a native born American?
Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again,
EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:56 PM (ph1j2)
Not too shabby.
Will they ever remember which faction attacked Trumps wife first as she would be the first FLOTUS, in like two hundred years, who was not a native born American?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 05, 2016 04:10 PM (T78UI)
608
@597 "... If that were true, Corey Lewandowski would be fired and run over by the bus.
The principles Trump has are different than typical conservative politican principles, but they exist and that's what's attracting people to him."
Indeed! Let's just say that you REALLY don't want to be the first foreign power to cross America when President Trump takes office.
The principles Trump has are different than typical conservative politican principles, but they exist and that's what's attracting people to him."
Indeed! Let's just say that you REALLY don't want to be the first foreign power to cross America when President Trump takes office.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:11 PM (/q6+P)
609
BTW, if there turns out to be any truth to the Cruz
story, this was of bringing it up is actually GOOD FOR Cruz, if somehow
he actually does get the nod. It gets dismissed and discredited as
something jerky, and if the Dems try to bring it up it's a sort of
"double jeopardy" situation.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:07 PM (/q6+P)
Yeah right. So Trump is just looking out for Cruz by pushing scurrilous lies in the tabloids.
story, this was of bringing it up is actually GOOD FOR Cruz, if somehow
he actually does get the nod. It gets dismissed and discredited as
something jerky, and if the Dems try to bring it up it's a sort of
"double jeopardy" situation.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:07 PM (/q6+P)
Yeah right. So Trump is just looking out for Cruz by pushing scurrilous lies in the tabloids.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:11 PM (3JA/M)
610
OK, seriously about the Cruz infidelity thing. Ask the woman in your life how plausible that is. Ted's a great guy, but sexual magnetism ain't one of his qualities. Ladies, amiright?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
Most of the women I know who are divorced or single are stupid about believing anything they are told by men who simply want to do them. And it doesn't matter what the guy looks like, if he talks a sweet game, and pays a lot of attention to her, making her feel like she is once again attractive to someone, it's a done deal.
It's even worse if the guy appears to have the money, power, etc. to make choices among all the available women but he chose YOU....
Like a Senator or a billionaire.
Trust me, neither Ted nor Donald are physically attractive.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
Most of the women I know who are divorced or single are stupid about believing anything they are told by men who simply want to do them. And it doesn't matter what the guy looks like, if he talks a sweet game, and pays a lot of attention to her, making her feel like she is once again attractive to someone, it's a done deal.
It's even worse if the guy appears to have the money, power, etc. to make choices among all the available women but he chose YOU....
Like a Senator or a billionaire.
Trust me, neither Ted nor Donald are physically attractive.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 04:11 PM (ph1j2)
611
rb so feisty today.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 04:12 PM (xuouz)
612
If that were true, Corey Lewandowski would be fired and run over by the bus.
The principles Trump has are different than typical conservative politican principles, but they exist and that's what's attracting people to him.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)
This doesn't contradict what I wrote. Corey is on his team and so reflects on him.
The principles Trump has are different than typical conservative politican principles, but they exist and that's what's attracting people to him.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)
This doesn't contradict what I wrote. Corey is on his team and so reflects on him.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:12 PM (vzMuS)
613
This morning, Laura Ingraham jumped all over Brian
Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again,
EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:56 PM (ph1j2)
And got completely shut down until a Trump operative got it printed in the NE.
Kilmeade for saying that Trump planted the story. She said that again,
EVERYONE knows that story came out of the Rubio camp.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 03:56 PM (ph1j2)
And got completely shut down until a Trump operative got it printed in the NE.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:12 PM (3JA/M)
614
Bullshit... if it were a legit story the legitimate press would have been tripping over themselves to print it (they don't exactly love Cruz, ya know).
And you are not fooling anyone with the fake "I am really and honestly a Cruz supporter who has concerning concerns" either.
Posted by: redbanzai
Look at all my posts, does that look like a Trump supporter to you? If I was supporting Trump, I would just say so.
Trump is a clown and would lose to Hillary badly.
That still doesn't change the fact that if Cruz is a cheater, it's going to mean a big loss.
Every time the National Enquirer has broke big stories about mistresses and powerful people, it's ended up being true (see John Edwards, Gary Hart, Tiger Woods, Jesse Jackson, etc)
And you are not fooling anyone with the fake "I am really and honestly a Cruz supporter who has concerning concerns" either.
Posted by: redbanzai
Look at all my posts, does that look like a Trump supporter to you? If I was supporting Trump, I would just say so.
Trump is a clown and would lose to Hillary badly.
That still doesn't change the fact that if Cruz is a cheater, it's going to mean a big loss.
Every time the National Enquirer has broke big stories about mistresses and powerful people, it's ended up being true (see John Edwards, Gary Hart, Tiger Woods, Jesse Jackson, etc)
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:13 PM (BILR8)
615
We have a new term to counter "Trumpkin". Followers of the One True Ted are now to be referred to as:
CRUZLIMS
Use it early and often!
CRUZLIMS
Use it early and often!
Posted by: tsj017 at April 05, 2016 04:13 PM (4YUWF)
616
@607 "... Will they ever remember which faction attacked Trumps wife first as she would be the first FLOTUS, in like two hundred years, who was not a native born American?"
How funny is it that there's all this nonsense about Trump hating immigrants, and being xenophobic, when his mother and two grandparents were immigrants, as well as two of his three wives?
How funny is it that there's all this nonsense about Trump hating immigrants, and being xenophobic, when his mother and two grandparents were immigrants, as well as two of his three wives?
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:13 PM (/q6+P)
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Cruz has actually stood up against the majority of his party, the conservative intelligentsia plus the whole Democrat wing, but he's such a wimp. He Pursued won a case against the Bush Administration. Not a fighter.
I guess he just needs to be a loudmouth who throws insults all over the place to be recognized as a fighter.
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He's fought and clawed his way to 2nd place even after a poor performance (compared to expectations) on Super Tuesday. He (and his organization) has done the dirty work or getting delegates. He has outlasted and outmaneuvered better funded and more popular candidates.
He is every bit the fighter Trump is - I would say more so.
I guess he just needs to be a loudmouth who throws insults all over the place to be recognized as a fighter.
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He's fought and clawed his way to 2nd place even after a poor performance (compared to expectations) on Super Tuesday. He (and his organization) has done the dirty work or getting delegates. He has outlasted and outmaneuvered better funded and more popular candidates.
He is every bit the fighter Trump is - I would say more so.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:14 PM (gmeXX)
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I understand the rules, but a Trump delegate should
be a true Trump supporter, not just a Cruz supporter that unfortunately
has to vote for Trump on the first ballot only. They were sent to the
convention to represent the interests of all the voters that voted in
the primary for their candidate of choice -- Trump. Any effort to pack
Trump delegates with Cruz partisans (or GOPe partisans for that matter)
is an undemocratic effort to steal the nomination. The fact that Cruz
supporters see no problem with this speaks volumes.
Posted by: tommylotto at April 05, 2016 04:04 PM (A3a8d)
Trump's campaign had just as much opportunity to organize and get its people to the precinct and district and county conventions and caucuses as Cruz's, and Rubio's, and Kasich's, and Carson's, for that matter. The state party rules were the same for everyone. It has always been about getting 1237 delegates since before Iowa. It is still in progress, by the way -- most states have not had their conventions yet. If Trump chose, and continues to choose, not to do the grassroots organizing work that it takes to get his people elected, then it is him deserting his voters by taking them for granted.
be a true Trump supporter, not just a Cruz supporter that unfortunately
has to vote for Trump on the first ballot only. They were sent to the
convention to represent the interests of all the voters that voted in
the primary for their candidate of choice -- Trump. Any effort to pack
Trump delegates with Cruz partisans (or GOPe partisans for that matter)
is an undemocratic effort to steal the nomination. The fact that Cruz
supporters see no problem with this speaks volumes.
Posted by: tommylotto at April 05, 2016 04:04 PM (A3a8d)
Trump's campaign had just as much opportunity to organize and get its people to the precinct and district and county conventions and caucuses as Cruz's, and Rubio's, and Kasich's, and Carson's, for that matter. The state party rules were the same for everyone. It has always been about getting 1237 delegates since before Iowa. It is still in progress, by the way -- most states have not had their conventions yet. If Trump chose, and continues to choose, not to do the grassroots organizing work that it takes to get his people elected, then it is him deserting his voters by taking them for granted.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:14 PM (5f5bM)
619
Cruz has actually stood up against the majority of his party, the
conservative intelligentsia plus the whole Democrat wing,........
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:10 PM (vzMuS)
Unless it went against Obama's wishes. Oh..but he evolved, and changed his position when it didn't count. GopE leadership material right there.
Cruz has actually stood up against the majority of his party, the
conservative intelligentsia plus the whole Democrat wing,........
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:10 PM (vzMuS)
Unless it went against Obama's wishes. Oh..but he evolved, and changed his position when it didn't count. GopE leadership material right there.
Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 05, 2016 04:15 PM (0IhFx)
620
Every time the National Enquirer has broke big
stories about mistresses and powerful people, it's ended up being true
(see John Edwards, Gary Hart, Tiger Woods, Jesse Jackson, etc)
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:13 PM (BILR
No, they do it every week. Occasionally they're right. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
stories about mistresses and powerful people, it's ended up being true
(see John Edwards, Gary Hart, Tiger Woods, Jesse Jackson, etc)
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:13 PM (BILR
No, they do it every week. Occasionally they're right. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:16 PM (5f5bM)
621
A lot of women are attracted to money and power, regardless of the package it comes in. Heck, I bet Mikey Moore has women falling over him. So Cruz, who is also brilliant, something a lot of us find attractive, having an affair is by no means a stretch.
But I refuse to pay attention to rumors where there's no hint of evidence except the rumors themselves. Spreading such is immoral.
But I refuse to pay attention to rumors where there's no hint of evidence except the rumors themselves. Spreading such is immoral.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:16 PM (vzMuS)
622
National politician. Did you see the ONT where a guy without arms and legs had 5 mistresses?
Matt?
Matt?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (NsI03)
623
If Trump chose, and continues to choose, not to do the grassroots organizing work that it takes to get his people elected, then it is him deserting his voters by taking them for granted.
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And why should we as a party support someone who is not willing to do the very basics of campaigning. If Cruz is able to pull this off, it at least shows that he has a sold organizational structure in place. Those things are important.
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And why should we as a party support someone who is not willing to do the very basics of campaigning. If Cruz is able to pull this off, it at least shows that he has a sold organizational structure in place. Those things are important.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (gmeXX)
624
This doesn't contradict what I wrote. Corey is on his team and so reflects on him.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:12 PM (vzMuS)
President Trump would be on Team USA, and the state of this nation will reflect on him.
Loyalty to your group is a principle. Fighting when it's the best and only option is a principle - and courageous to boot.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:12 PM (vzMuS)
President Trump would be on Team USA, and the state of this nation will reflect on him.
Loyalty to your group is a principle. Fighting when it's the best and only option is a principle - and courageous to boot.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (Gl74b)
626
No, they do it every week. Occasionally they're right. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:16 PM (5f5bM)
Agree here. I keep waiting for George Bush to admit that he and Condi Rice had an affair that Laura was going to leave him over.....
That story was front page National Enquirer every other month when Bush was president.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:16 PM (5f5bM)
Agree here. I keep waiting for George Bush to admit that he and Condi Rice had an affair that Laura was going to leave him over.....
That story was front page National Enquirer every other month when Bush was president.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 04:18 PM (ph1j2)
627
@614 "...Trump is a clown and would lose to Hillary badly. ..."
A more likely scenario is that Hillary would end up so thoroughly discredited in every way possible that she'd have to leave the country. Trump can command media attention, and can talk at LENGTH about Bengazi, her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies, the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers of independents have been kept in the dark about. As it is, even actual Democrats really, really don't like her. It could be a Democrat bloodbath.
A more likely scenario is that Hillary would end up so thoroughly discredited in every way possible that she'd have to leave the country. Trump can command media attention, and can talk at LENGTH about Bengazi, her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies, the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers of independents have been kept in the dark about. As it is, even actual Democrats really, really don't like her. It could be a Democrat bloodbath.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:19 PM (/q6+P)
628
Won't you be surprised when the "rules" change to
fit a desired result. Or even better, another heretofore "unknown rule"
changes that status quo.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at April 05, 2016 04:09 PM (i6shs)
SaltyDonnie is right about that, by the way. I don't believe it's going to happen, but under Robert's Rules of Order a two-thirds vote of the delegates could suspend any rule.
fit a desired result. Or even better, another heretofore "unknown rule"
changes that status quo.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at April 05, 2016 04:09 PM (i6shs)
SaltyDonnie is right about that, by the way. I don't believe it's going to happen, but under Robert's Rules of Order a two-thirds vote of the delegates could suspend any rule.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:19 PM (5f5bM)
629
Trump pushing scurrilous lies in the tabloids.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:11 PM (3JA/M)
I don't really understand what can be your idiotic interest in the pervasive pushing of that lie.
Much unlike Lyin' "It wasn't me it was my SuperPAC" Ted, Trump doesn't use intermediaries to do his bidding. Neither Trump nor Trump supporters care about Ted's whoring around or not.
And taking into account Ted's rat-like facial features, it's highly unlikely he schlonged these 5 women.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:11 PM (3JA/M)
I don't really understand what can be your idiotic interest in the pervasive pushing of that lie.
Much unlike Lyin' "It wasn't me it was my SuperPAC" Ted, Trump doesn't use intermediaries to do his bidding. Neither Trump nor Trump supporters care about Ted's whoring around or not.
And taking into account Ted's rat-like facial features, it's highly unlikely he schlonged these 5 women.
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 04:20 PM (EKPqR)
630
It could be a Democrat bloodbath.
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It could be a GOP bloodbath. With two lousy candidates like that there is no telling what the outcome would be.
That being said, I would probably bet more favorably on the side that has been around the political block a few times and have shown an amazing ability to survive politically.
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It could be a GOP bloodbath. With two lousy candidates like that there is no telling what the outcome would be.
That being said, I would probably bet more favorably on the side that has been around the political block a few times and have shown an amazing ability to survive politically.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:21 PM (gmeXX)
631
"BTW, if there turns out to be any truth to the Cruz
story..."
Trump-ettes, still holding on to empty hope.
"BTW, if there turns out to be any truth to the Cruz
story..."
Trump-ettes, still holding on to empty hope.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:21 PM (Gl74b)
632
President Trump would be on Team USA, and the state of this nation will reflect on him.
Loyalty to your group is a principle. Fighting when it's the best and only option is a principle - and courageous to boot.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (uURQL)
You're free to believe whatever you wish.
I don't doubt Trump loves this country, but just that doesn't make him a suitable choice. Everyone else on the Republican side loves the country too. Ok, Maybe Jeb! just likes it, but I'm pretty sure all the other candidates love America.
Loyalty to your group is a principle. Fighting when it's the best and only option is a principle - and courageous to boot.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (uURQL)
You're free to believe whatever you wish.
I don't doubt Trump loves this country, but just that doesn't make him a suitable choice. Everyone else on the Republican side loves the country too. Ok, Maybe Jeb! just likes it, but I'm pretty sure all the other candidates love America.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:21 PM (vzMuS)
633
A more likely scenario is that Hillary would end up so thoroughly discredited in every way possible that she'd have to leave the country. Trump can command media attention, and can talk at LENGTH about Bengazi, her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies, the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers of independents have been kept in the dark about. As it is, even actual Democrats really, really don't like her. It could be a Democrat bloodbath.
Posted by: Optimizer
But after all of Trump's antics, look at his standing among voters. He has like an 80% unfavorability rating.
He's deeply unpopular and losing badly to Hillary compared to other Republicans. Even Republicans that are incredibly weak candidates.
And his attacks are almost one step forward, two steps back. He has more self-inflicted wounds than any politician I've ever seen.
Posted by: Optimizer
But after all of Trump's antics, look at his standing among voters. He has like an 80% unfavorability rating.
He's deeply unpopular and losing badly to Hillary compared to other Republicans. Even Republicans that are incredibly weak candidates.
And his attacks are almost one step forward, two steps back. He has more self-inflicted wounds than any politician I've ever seen.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:22 PM (BILR8)
634
Mark Levin should title his next book:
"I am Angry: The GOPe sc$wed me!"
Then his next book:
"I am Angry II: They did it again!"
Then his next book:
"I am Really Angry: They won't stop!"
Then his next book:
"Enraged: They scr$wed me with the constitution!"
Then his next book:
"Double Trouble Angry: How the GOPe and Progs scr$wed me and Glenn Beck at the same time"
That is the typical modern conservative. They talk about a lot of bad stuff, but never stop any of it. That is why Roger Stone is kind of refreshing in a certain way even though he is old as heck.
"I am Angry: The GOPe sc$wed me!"
Then his next book:
"I am Angry II: They did it again!"
Then his next book:
"I am Really Angry: They won't stop!"
Then his next book:
"Enraged: They scr$wed me with the constitution!"
Then his next book:
"Double Trouble Angry: How the GOPe and Progs scr$wed me and Glenn Beck at the same time"
That is the typical modern conservative. They talk about a lot of bad stuff, but never stop any of it. That is why Roger Stone is kind of refreshing in a certain way even though he is old as heck.
Posted by: William Eaton at April 05, 2016 04:22 PM (KhJh8)
635
When are guys going to figure out that the Trump supporters are what's called "Republicans", and his viscious detractors are what's called "working for Hillary2016"?
With 60% to 70% of Republican voters being anti-establishment, and with Trump being the only true anti-establishment guy standing, the party can either pick him or commit suicide at this point.
With 60% to 70% of Republican voters being anti-establishment, and with Trump being the only true anti-establishment guy standing, the party can either pick him or commit suicide at this point.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:23 PM (/q6+P)
636
By the way, Ford announced today that they are building a new plant in Mexico and will move small car jobs there from the USA.
Why would that be???
Why would that be???
Posted by: Jen the original at April 05, 2016 04:23 PM (ph1j2)
637
Trump can command media attention, and can talk at LENGTH about Bengazi,
her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies,
the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers
of independents have been kept in the dark about.
Nothing stopping him from doing it now, except perhaps that he travels in the same NYC social circles, has given her money in the past, is buds with Jeffery Epstein just like Bill, is buds with Bill, and wants to go back to New York with Melania and his kids the Trump empire after 0, 4, or 8 years and not want him, his kids, and his real estate interests to be universally hated. But sure, he'll go after Hillary. Really, he will.
her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies,
the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers
of independents have been kept in the dark about.
Nothing stopping him from doing it now, except perhaps that he travels in the same NYC social circles, has given her money in the past, is buds with Jeffery Epstein just like Bill, is buds with Bill, and wants to go back to New York with Melania and his kids the Trump empire after 0, 4, or 8 years and not want him, his kids, and his real estate interests to be universally hated. But sure, he'll go after Hillary. Really, he will.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:23 PM (5f5bM)
638
A more likely scenario is that Hillary would end up so thoroughly
discredited in every way possible that she'd have to leave the country.
Trump can command media attention, and can talk at LENGTH about Bengazi,
her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies,
the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers
of independents have been kept in the dark about. As it is, even actual
Democrats really, really don't like her. It could be a Democrat
bloodbath.
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ANYBODY can do this.. Trump has no special insight into any of these problems with Hillary.
Recurring polls show Cruz beating her most of the time, even fight in others.
Trump loses consistently.
discredited in every way possible that she'd have to leave the country.
Trump can command media attention, and can talk at LENGTH about Bengazi,
her handling of Secret/SAP info, her behavior towards Bill's floozies,
the Clinton Foundation, and a million other scandals that vast numbers
of independents have been kept in the dark about. As it is, even actual
Democrats really, really don't like her. It could be a Democrat
bloodbath.
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ANYBODY can do this.. Trump has no special insight into any of these problems with Hillary.
Recurring polls show Cruz beating her most of the time, even fight in others.
Trump loses consistently.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:23 PM (Gl74b)
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By the way, Ford announced today that they are building a new plant in Mexico and will move small car jobs there from the USA.
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Where do they build the big cars?
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Where do they build the big cars?
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:24 PM (gmeXX)
640
ANYBODY can do this.. Trump has no special insight into any of these problems with Hillary.
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Rubio went after Hillary. Carly went after Hillary. This idea that only Trump will bring it to Hillary is fantasy.
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Rubio went after Hillary. Carly went after Hillary. This idea that only Trump will bring it to Hillary is fantasy.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:25 PM (gmeXX)
641
You're free to believe whatever you wish.
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Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:21 PM (vzMuS)
Just making a single point : Trump has principles that he fights for.
...
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 05, 2016 04:21 PM (vzMuS)
Just making a single point : Trump has principles that he fights for.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:26 PM (uURQL)
642
ANYBODY can do this.. Trump has no special insight into any of these problems with Hillary.
Trump is better at punching people, rhetorically.
Low energy Jeb and Small Marco have found that out.
Trump is better at punching people, rhetorically.
Low energy Jeb and Small Marco have found that out.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)
643
With 60% to 70% of Republican voters being anti-establishment, and with Trump being the only true anti-establishment guy standing, the party can either pick him or commit suicide at this point.
Posted by: Optimizer
By that standard, the overwhelming majority of Republicans are voting NotTrump and have been for a while.
Trump hasn't cleared 50% in a single state.
Most of his wins are in that 35% range.
With 60% to 70% of Republican voters being anti-establishment, and with Trump being the only true anti-establishment guy standing, the party can either pick him or commit suicide at this point.
Posted by: Optimizer
By that standard, the overwhelming majority of Republicans are voting NotTrump and have been for a while.
Trump hasn't cleared 50% in a single state.
Most of his wins are in that 35% range.
Posted by: Forged at April 05, 2016 04:27 PM (BILR8)
644
Trump is better at punching people, rhetorically.
Low energy Jeb and Small Marco have found that out.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)
And it takes more work to punch with those small hands. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Low energy Jeb and Small Marco have found that out.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)
And it takes more work to punch with those small hands. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:28 PM (5f5bM)
645
Trumps principles have been on both sides at one time or the other. Just in this campaign his principles have changed at least four times.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 05, 2016 04:28 PM (KEA7I)
646
That is the typical modern conservative. They talk about a lot of bad stuff, but never stop any of it. That is why Roger Stone is kind of refreshing in a certain way even though he is old as heck.
Posted by: William Eaton at April 05, 2016 04:22 PM (KhJh
Why would they? They make trainloads of $$$$$$ out of vocalizing grievances.
Trump just lacks the fundamental understanding of the core Conservative principles of Always Whine, Complain and Despair.
That is the typical modern conservative. They talk about a lot of bad stuff, but never stop any of it. That is why Roger Stone is kind of refreshing in a certain way even though he is old as heck.
Posted by: William Eaton at April 05, 2016 04:22 PM (KhJh
Why would they? They make trainloads of $$$$$$ out of vocalizing grievances.
Trump just lacks the fundamental understanding of the core Conservative principles of Always Whine, Complain and Despair.
Posted by: Dumbo v.11 at April 05, 2016 04:29 PM (EKPqR)
647
With 60% to 70% of Republican voters being anti-establishment, and with
Trump being the only true anti-establishment guy standing, the party can
either pick him or commit suicide at this point.
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SO people try to make this argument that Cruz is establishment, but then turn around and talk about how GOPe is not going to back Cruz over Trump at the convention, instead of inserting their own candidate.
If they are not backing Cruz, then it PROVES Cruz is not an establishment man either.
But he is a proven conservative.
Trump is a Proven Trump supporter. He is liberal in his views, when it is convenient to him.
Trump being the only true anti-establishment guy standing, the party can
either pick him or commit suicide at this point.
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SO people try to make this argument that Cruz is establishment, but then turn around and talk about how GOPe is not going to back Cruz over Trump at the convention, instead of inserting their own candidate.
If they are not backing Cruz, then it PROVES Cruz is not an establishment man either.
But he is a proven conservative.
Trump is a Proven Trump supporter. He is liberal in his views, when it is convenient to him.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:29 PM (Gl74b)
648
@633 "...But after all of Trump's antics, look at his standing among voters. He has like an 80% unfavorability rating"
But listen to yourself! That's exactly it! Trump's issues are "antics", whereas Hillary's issues are extraordinarly serious, and not things she can get past!
Just look at this Heidi Cruz thing. It was jerky, but really doesn't amount to hill of beans. Cruz sounds like a schmuck for saying that Trump "attacked his wife" and puts on all the stupid bravado, when the "attack" was to distribute an unflattering photo. So many of these Trump "negatives" are hyped up media spin that don't mean anything, and don;t hold up under critical examination, so they can be overcome.
But listen to yourself! That's exactly it! Trump's issues are "antics", whereas Hillary's issues are extraordinarly serious, and not things she can get past!
Just look at this Heidi Cruz thing. It was jerky, but really doesn't amount to hill of beans. Cruz sounds like a schmuck for saying that Trump "attacked his wife" and puts on all the stupid bravado, when the "attack" was to distribute an unflattering photo. So many of these Trump "negatives" are hyped up media spin that don't mean anything, and don;t hold up under critical examination, so they can be overcome.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:30 PM (/q6+P)
649
He is liberal in his views, when it is convenient to him.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:29 PM (Gl74b)
But he's going to build a YUGE wall! And Mexico's going to pay for it.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:29 PM (Gl74b)
But he's going to build a YUGE wall! And Mexico's going to pay for it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:31 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: William Eaton at April 05, 2016 04:31 PM (KhJh8)
651
SaltyDonnie is right about that, by the way. I
don't believe it's going to happen, but under Robert's Rules of Order a
two-thirds vote of the delegates could suspend any rule.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:19 PM (5f5bM)
True, if 2/3rds of the Delegates that Cruz (and to a lesser extent, Trump) has gone out of his way to recruit and get elected decide that neither Cruz nor Trump should be the nominee, then they can suspend rule 40.
I don't believe it is going to happen either and I would advise all and sundry who are pushing this to not hold their breath.
SaltyDonnie is right about that, by the way. I
don't believe it's going to happen, but under Robert's Rules of Order a
two-thirds vote of the delegates could suspend any rule.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:19 PM (5f5bM)
True, if 2/3rds of the Delegates that Cruz (and to a lesser extent, Trump) has gone out of his way to recruit and get elected decide that neither Cruz nor Trump should be the nominee, then they can suspend rule 40.
I don't believe it is going to happen either and I would advise all and sundry who are pushing this to not hold their breath.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:32 PM (3JA/M)
652
Trump is better at punching people, rhetorically.
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I disagree. You over estimate Trumps effect.
Bush and Rubio and others did not drop out because of Trump.
Its because they could not crack the top three in the race, and stayed in. Bush especially. For the amount of money, he should have been in the top 3 at least.
But the fact is, no one really liked Mr "Please Clap".
Trump cannot take credit.
I think Rubio shot himself in the foot too many times. Trump helped, but in the end, he never had the support he thought he had.
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I disagree. You over estimate Trumps effect.
Bush and Rubio and others did not drop out because of Trump.
Its because they could not crack the top three in the race, and stayed in. Bush especially. For the amount of money, he should have been in the top 3 at least.
But the fact is, no one really liked Mr "Please Clap".
Trump cannot take credit.
I think Rubio shot himself in the foot too many times. Trump helped, but in the end, he never had the support he thought he had.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:33 PM (Gl74b)
653
@647 "...SO people try to make this argument that Cruz is establishment, but then turn around and talk about how GOPe is not going to back Cruz over Trump at the convention, instead of inserting their own candidate. "
No, not that he IS establishment, but that he is already BEHOLDEN to them, while a key part of his schtick for a long time was that he was anti-establishment. He's being USED by them, and as are the people still voting for him, and he could easily be cast aside once they're done with him.
No, not that he IS establishment, but that he is already BEHOLDEN to them, while a key part of his schtick for a long time was that he was anti-establishment. He's being USED by them, and as are the people still voting for him, and he could easily be cast aside once they're done with him.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:34 PM (/q6+P)
654
"So many of these Trump "negatives" are hyped up media spin"
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No, they are actually character flaws.
The man will be a disaster as President.
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No, they are actually character flaws.
The man will be a disaster as President.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:35 PM (Gl74b)
655
@652 "... Bush and Rubio and others did not drop out because of Trump. ..."
That's funniest thing I expect I'll hear all day!
That's funniest thing I expect I'll hear all day!
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:35 PM (/q6+P)
656
And it takes more work to punch with those small hands. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:28 PM (5f5bM)
Heh, small fists hurt more. This is AoS, go full humor!
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:28 PM (5f5bM)
Heh, small fists hurt more. This is AoS, go full humor!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:35 PM (uURQL)
657
Just making a single point : Trump has principles that he fights for.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:26 PM (uURQL)
What do you imagine those principles to be, and what are you basing your evaluation on?Just curious.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:26 PM (uURQL)
What do you imagine those principles to be, and what are you basing your evaluation on?Just curious.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:36 PM (aRUb8)
658
@654 "... No, they are actually character flaws.
The man will be a disaster as President."
I know what you mean. Like that Reagan feller, who had cheated on his wife, and brought that home-wrecker into the White House with him...
The man will be a disaster as President."
I know what you mean. Like that Reagan feller, who had cheated on his wife, and brought that home-wrecker into the White House with him...
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:36 PM (/q6+P)
659
I disagree. You over estimate Trumps effect.
Bush and Rubio and others did not drop out because of Trump.
Its because they could not crack the top three in the race, and stayed in.
I see.
Gee, I wonder how Trump outsurvived their campaigns? Did he win a bunch of states or something?
He should stop trying to spoil the GOP frontrunner, though. This is a serious election year.
Bush and Rubio and others did not drop out because of Trump.
Its because they could not crack the top three in the race, and stayed in.
I see.
Gee, I wonder how Trump outsurvived their campaigns? Did he win a bunch of states or something?
He should stop trying to spoil the GOP frontrunner, though. This is a serious election year.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:37 PM (uURQL)
660
What do you imagine those principles to be, and what are you basing your evaluation on?Just curious.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:36 PM (aRUb
If you can't be arsed to read it the first time, no point in repeating myself.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:36 PM (aRUb
If you can't be arsed to read it the first time, no point in repeating myself.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:38 PM (uURQL)
661
Hey, Roger Stone should get the band together! You know, Gordon Liddy, Don Segretti, Egil "Bud" Krogh, Gordon Strachan, and the Cubans! Sadly, Howard Hunt's not around any more, and Tony Ulasewicz has joined John Ehrlichmann and Bob Haldeman in that big slush fund in the sky. But there's still some fire in the old guys, enough for one more big shindig. Who's with me?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 05, 2016 04:39 PM (5f5bM)
662
But then there was that Bush fellow, you know, #43? Oh, wait, he had done cocaine and had been a drunk and stuff...
But let's all keep pretending that George Washington cut down the Cherry tree & stuff...
But let's all keep pretending that George Washington cut down the Cherry tree & stuff...
Posted by: Optimizer at April 05, 2016 04:41 PM (/q6+P)
663
No, not that he IS establishment, but that he is already BEHOLDEN to
them, while a key part of his schtick for a long time was that he was
anti-establishment. He's being USED by them...
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Because he opposes your man Trump.
There is no proof that he is "beholden" to anyone except his own principles.
If he were so beholden they would have pushed him out of the race in favor of their own establishment candidates months ago.
This is all conspiracy talk.
No, not that he IS establishment, but that he is already BEHOLDEN to
them, while a key part of his schtick for a long time was that he was
anti-establishment. He's being USED by them...
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Because he opposes your man Trump.
There is no proof that he is "beholden" to anyone except his own principles.
If he were so beholden they would have pushed him out of the race in favor of their own establishment candidates months ago.
This is all conspiracy talk.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:42 PM (Gl74b)
664
I'm small.
Posted by: Roger Stones penis at April 05, 2016 04:42 PM (aRUb8)
665
Where's Make America Great Again to explain to us infidels why Roger Stone is being taken completely out of context?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (p4UlV)
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You rang?
Roger Stone is not part of the Trump campaign. Trump doesn't have to answer at all for Roger Stone's comments. That's the rules that Cruz plays by, so I guess they are good enough for Trump too.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2016 03:16 PM (p4UlV)
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You rang?
Roger Stone is not part of the Trump campaign. Trump doesn't have to answer at all for Roger Stone's comments. That's the rules that Cruz plays by, so I guess they are good enough for Trump too.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:44 PM (LXJ1e)
666
Trump meets with lobbyists in DC, but its Cruz who's "beholden" to people.
Just wait, Trump will take taxpayer funds for his campaign, and bill it all to his own companies, and his supporters will claim he's totally clean.
Just wait, Trump will take taxpayer funds for his campaign, and bill it all to his own companies, and his supporters will claim he's totally clean.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 04:45 PM (UBBWX)
667
BTW, Cruz just got done saying that there will be a revolt if him or Trump don't get the nomination.
Cruz is inciting revolution.
Cruz is inciting revolution.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:45 PM (LXJ1e)
668
And yet the Trupkins still won't\can't see the light.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at April 05, 2016 04:46 PM (uNPiP)
669
Trump will get 1400 delegates in the end. Cruz barely 800.
You know who had a bad March? Cruz. He's basically had to steal every Trump position to stay relevant.
You know who had a bad March? Cruz. He's basically had to steal every Trump position to stay relevant.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:48 PM (LXJ1e)
670
If you can't be arsed to read it the first time, no point in repeating myself.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:38 PM (uURQL)
I just popped into this thread...not about to read thru 660+ comments.Was you explanation of these principles so complete and detailed that repeating them would be a burden?Here's a compromise...something your boy Trump stands for and advocates..you know, the "It's good to be a little 'establishment'" and "You have to compromise'" Trump.Can you name 1 of those principles that you listed or point me to the post that you expressed them in? Seems reasonable, doesn't it?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:38 PM (uURQL)
I just popped into this thread...not about to read thru 660+ comments.Was you explanation of these principles so complete and detailed that repeating them would be a burden?Here's a compromise...something your boy Trump stands for and advocates..you know, the "It's good to be a little 'establishment'" and "You have to compromise'" Trump.Can you name 1 of those principles that you listed or point me to the post that you expressed them in? Seems reasonable, doesn't it?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:49 PM (aRUb8)
671
Trump just broke the rules about being too close to a voting location.
Just like the Clinton's did.
Hmm. He seems to have a lot in common with them.
Seems to think rules dont apply to him.
The over eager Trump-ette that posted the incriminating evidence had to go back and delete the videos, showing their man violating the rule.
WI accountability officials investigating.
Just like the Clinton's did.
Hmm. He seems to have a lot in common with them.
Seems to think rules dont apply to him.
The over eager Trump-ette that posted the incriminating evidence had to go back and delete the videos, showing their man violating the rule.
WI accountability officials investigating.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:49 PM (Gl74b)
672
666 Trump meets with lobbyists in DC, but its Cruz who's "beholden" to people.
Just wait, Trump will take taxpayer funds for his campaign, and bill it all to his own companies, and his supporters will claim he's totally clean.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 04:45 PM (UBBWX)
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Cruz actually takes money from lobbyists and just got out of a campaign fund raiser set up by Graham full of his big money buddies, which is mostly lobbyists.
Just wait, Trump will take taxpayer funds for his campaign, and bill it all to his own companies, and his supporters will claim he's totally clean.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 04:45 PM (UBBWX)
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Cruz actually takes money from lobbyists and just got out of a campaign fund raiser set up by Graham full of his big money buddies, which is mostly lobbyists.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:50 PM (LXJ1e)
673
You know who had a bad March? Cruz. He's basically had to steal every Trump position to stay relevant.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:48 PM (LXJ1e)
Delusional at best.
But maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. What positions do you claim Cruz took from Trump?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:48 PM (LXJ1e)
Delusional at best.
But maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. What positions do you claim Cruz took from Trump?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:51 PM (aRUb8)
674
Just wait, Trump will take taxpayer funds for his campaign, and bill it
all to his own companies, and his supporters will claim he's totally
clean.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 04:45 PM (UBBWX)
Good thing if he doesn't get that chance. Contested convention, here we come
all to his own companies, and his supporters will claim he's totally
clean.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 04:45 PM (UBBWX)
Good thing if he doesn't get that chance. Contested convention, here we come
Posted by: redbanzai at April 05, 2016 04:51 PM (3JA/M)
675
Cruz actually takes money from lobbyists and just
got out of a campaign fund raiser set up by Graham full of his big money
buddies, which is mostly lobbyists.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:50 PM (LXJ1e)
So?Why is it O.K. for Trump to do what you admit he does, but not for Cruz? Why the double standard?
got out of a campaign fund raiser set up by Graham full of his big money
buddies, which is mostly lobbyists.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 04:50 PM (LXJ1e)
So?Why is it O.K. for Trump to do what you admit he does, but not for Cruz? Why the double standard?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:53 PM (aRUb8)
676
I know what you mean. Like that Reagan feller, who had cheated on
his wife, and brought that home-wrecker into the White House with him...
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He stole my ideas!
Somebody call a Waaaaaaahmbulance!
Not at all possible that anyone else in the country or in the race competing for the same voters might have the same ideas.
Could not possible happen.
BTW, I have a nice bridge, slightly used, but lots of use left in it, going for a great price...
I know what you mean. Like that Reagan feller, who had cheated on
his wife, and brought that home-wrecker into the White House with him...
------------------------
He stole my ideas!
Somebody call a Waaaaaaahmbulance!
Not at all possible that anyone else in the country or in the race competing for the same voters might have the same ideas.
Could not possible happen.
BTW, I have a nice bridge, slightly used, but lots of use left in it, going for a great price...
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:55 PM (Gl74b)
677
668
And yet the Trupkins still won't\can't see the light.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at April 05, 2016 04:46 PM (uNPiP)
Exactly like the Obamatrons, the Global Warming nutbags, the anti vaxxer's, the BLM robots, etc, etc.The level of willful blindness is amazing.
And yet the Trupkins still won't\can't see the light.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at April 05, 2016 04:46 PM (uNPiP)
Exactly like the Obamatrons, the Global Warming nutbags, the anti vaxxer's, the BLM robots, etc, etc.The level of willful blindness is amazing.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:56 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 05, 2016 04:57 PM (Gl74b)
679
I just popped into this thread...not about to read thru 660+ comments.Was you explanation of these principles so complete and detailed that repeating them would be a burden?Here's a compromise...something your boy Trump stands for and advocates..you know, the "It's good to be a little 'establishment'" and "You have to compromise'" Trump.Can you name 1 of those principles that you listed or point me to the post that you expressed them in? Seems reasonable, doesn't it?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:49 PM (aRUb
No, it isn't. This isn't a verbal conversation. If you were sincerely interested in what I said, it's available upthread.
Use your browser search function. It's not hard.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:49 PM (aRUb
No, it isn't. This isn't a verbal conversation. If you were sincerely interested in what I said, it's available upthread.
Use your browser search function. It's not hard.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:02 PM (uURQL)
680
No, we have to keep on pretending, I'm sure. - Ace
Yes. Kinda like I have to keep pretending that the Republican establishment meant it when they forced their totally honorable "pledge" onto all candidates (well, really just Trump, he was driving the notion), saying "whoever wins the nomination ultimately gets the support of the losing nominees. No going rogue, no going third party."
But that was when everybody thought Trump would flame out early.
Well, he didn't flame out and now the establishment is being hoisted by their own petards, and you Cruzers are the backers of the lie, champions of the fraud. It's been a full court press to destroy Trump, you've as far as even siding with the black lives matter protest filth and their ilk who've been destroying this country for a century or more.
Republicans = Progressives in slow motion.
Thanks for showing your true colors. Yeah, we get it, your embarrassed by Trump, but not by a damsel shedding crocodile tears who gives herself bruises and aims to end the career of a man with a family who was only doing his job. How exactly are you different from the left again?
Yes. Kinda like I have to keep pretending that the Republican establishment meant it when they forced their totally honorable "pledge" onto all candidates (well, really just Trump, he was driving the notion), saying "whoever wins the nomination ultimately gets the support of the losing nominees. No going rogue, no going third party."
But that was when everybody thought Trump would flame out early.
Well, he didn't flame out and now the establishment is being hoisted by their own petards, and you Cruzers are the backers of the lie, champions of the fraud. It's been a full court press to destroy Trump, you've as far as even siding with the black lives matter protest filth and their ilk who've been destroying this country for a century or more.
Republicans = Progressives in slow motion.
Thanks for showing your true colors. Yeah, we get it, your embarrassed by Trump, but not by a damsel shedding crocodile tears who gives herself bruises and aims to end the career of a man with a family who was only doing his job. How exactly are you different from the left again?
Posted by: FredB at April 05, 2016 05:05 PM (mkgf1)
681
Use your browser search function. It's not hard.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:02 PM (uURQL)
My browser will lead me to YOUR comment on Trumps "principles" in this thread?Could you simply point me to the post number in this thread where you list them?If not, why not?
How is it not reasonable for you to name 1? That was the claim that I stated was reasonable...just name 1. How "unreasonable" is that?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:02 PM (uURQL)
My browser will lead me to YOUR comment on Trumps "principles" in this thread?Could you simply point me to the post number in this thread where you list them?If not, why not?
How is it not reasonable for you to name 1? That was the claim that I stated was reasonable...just name 1. How "unreasonable" is that?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:06 PM (aRUb8)
682
So?Why is it O.K. for Trump to do what you admit he does, but not for Cruz? Why the double standard?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:53 PM (aRUb
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The double standard is from Cruz supporters. And Trump doesn't take money from lobbyists, unlike Cruz.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:53 PM (aRUb
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The double standard is from Cruz supporters. And Trump doesn't take money from lobbyists, unlike Cruz.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 05:07 PM (LXJ1e)
683
Delusional at best.
But maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. What positions do you claim Cruz took from Trump?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:51 PM (aRUb
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He's all for "fair trade" now.
But maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. What positions do you claim Cruz took from Trump?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:51 PM (aRUb
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He's all for "fair trade" now.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 05:08 PM (LXJ1e)
684
Also in March Trump extended his lead against Cruz.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 05:08 PM (LXJ1e)
685
He's all for "fair trade" now.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 05:08 PM (LXJ1e)
Thats it?? When was he against fair trade?? That said, you claimed that he had stolen all of Trumps positions. What are some? The "fair trade" claim is a begging the question fallacy.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 05, 2016 05:08 PM (LXJ1e)
Thats it?? When was he against fair trade?? That said, you claimed that he had stolen all of Trumps positions. What are some? The "fair trade" claim is a begging the question fallacy.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:12 PM (aRUb8)
686
Perhaps Mr. Trumps organization needs to be named a terrorist organization and put on a watch list. Perhaps a RICO investigation, also.
Posted by: Hotspur at April 05, 2016 05:13 PM (J3UIw)
687
My browser will lead me to YOUR comment on Trumps "principles" in this thread?Could you simply point me to the post number in this thread where you list them?If not, why not?
How is it not reasonable for you to name 1? That was the claim that I stated was reasonable...just name 1. How "unreasonable" is that?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:06 PM (aRUb
You're too stupid to search a page for a poster's name, too lazy to even try, and yet you spend the time to make two lengthy replies rather than do your own research.
Your very first request was disrespectful and unreasonable.
"I don't read what you say, now repeat yourself cause I'm too lazy and too incompetent to find it"
No thanks.
How is it not reasonable for you to name 1? That was the claim that I stated was reasonable...just name 1. How "unreasonable" is that?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:06 PM (aRUb
You're too stupid to search a page for a poster's name, too lazy to even try, and yet you spend the time to make two lengthy replies rather than do your own research.
Your very first request was disrespectful and unreasonable.
"I don't read what you say, now repeat yourself cause I'm too lazy and too incompetent to find it"
No thanks.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:16 PM (uURQL)
688
No thanks.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:16 PM (uURQL)
So you got nothing to support your position but whining about someone else. I see why you like Trump. All HE does is whine and blame. Thats kind of immature imo, just like Trump.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:16 PM (uURQL)
So you got nothing to support your position but whining about someone else. I see why you like Trump. All HE does is whine and blame. Thats kind of immature imo, just like Trump.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:22 PM (aRUb8)
689
But maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. What positions do you claim Cruz took from Trump?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:51 PM (aRUb
Wall.
Islamic immigration.
Trade deficit.
What not?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:51 PM (aRUb
Wall.
Islamic immigration.
Trade deficit.
What not?
Posted by: Dv11 at April 05, 2016 05:24 PM (EKPqR)
690
Hmmm. A bit stale, no?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at April 05, 2016 05:24 PM (C9pBZ)
691
So you got nothing to support your position but whining about someone else. I see why you like Trump. All HE does is whine and blame. Thats kind of immature imo, just like Trump.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:22 PM (aRUb
For anyone still following, see where Mimzey ended up from his first post:
Just making a single point : Trump has principles that he fights for.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:26 PM (uURQL)
What do you imagine those principles to be, and what are you basing your evaluation on?Just curious.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:36 PM (aRUb
Note the barb - the principles I'm talking about are only in my imagination. Note also the lie - that he's curious about what I have to say.
It's not an obvious lie, but our exchange reveals it.
He doesn't know what I said. He's not curious enough to find it, nor respectful enough to request it politely; but now he's able to come to a judgement that I have no support for my position and am whining.
When of course, the support is clearly available upthread, and I've given him all the tools and hints he needs to find it.
Don't waste reason on the unreasonable.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:22 PM (aRUb
For anyone still following, see where Mimzey ended up from his first post:
Just making a single point : Trump has principles that he fights for.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 04:26 PM (uURQL)
What do you imagine those principles to be, and what are you basing your evaluation on?Just curious.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 04:36 PM (aRUb
Note the barb - the principles I'm talking about are only in my imagination. Note also the lie - that he's curious about what I have to say.
It's not an obvious lie, but our exchange reveals it.
He doesn't know what I said. He's not curious enough to find it, nor respectful enough to request it politely; but now he's able to come to a judgement that I have no support for my position and am whining.
When of course, the support is clearly available upthread, and I've given him all the tools and hints he needs to find it.
Don't waste reason on the unreasonable.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:31 PM (uURQL)
692
I am a Cruz supporter, but I will admit Cruz has borrowed a bit lately from Trump.
That said Trump has "borrowed" too - like his pro-life stance.
That said Trump has "borrowed" too - like his pro-life stance.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 05:31 PM (UBBWX)
693
Wall.
Islamic immigration.
Trade deficit.
What not?
Posted by: Dv11 at April 05, 2016 05:24 PM (EKPqR)
It's Trump that backtracked on immigration.When was Cruz for "Trade deficit?When was Cruz against border security and wall/fence/patrol?
Islamic immigration.
Trade deficit.
What not?
Posted by: Dv11 at April 05, 2016 05:24 PM (EKPqR)
It's Trump that backtracked on immigration.When was Cruz for "Trade deficit?When was Cruz against border security and wall/fence/patrol?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:33 PM (aRUb8)
694
Wall.
Islamic immigration.
Trade deficit.
What not?
Posted by: Dv11 at April 05, 2016 05:24 PM (EKPqR)
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From the Trump who claimed during the campaign that we needed to take MORE Syrian "refugees" because that was the "humanitarian thing to do"?
And what is Trump's current position on Islamic immigration again? Seems like he wants a law that allows rich Muslins who are his friends to come in?
Wall.
Islamic immigration.
Trade deficit.
What not?
Posted by: Dv11 at April 05, 2016 05:24 PM (EKPqR)
----
From the Trump who claimed during the campaign that we needed to take MORE Syrian "refugees" because that was the "humanitarian thing to do"?
And what is Trump's current position on Islamic immigration again? Seems like he wants a law that allows rich Muslins who are his friends to come in?
Posted by: Alabi at April 05, 2016 05:33 PM (89I+i)
695
I should also point out that Trump has now come out and said "there will not be tariffs" "never going to happen."
so Trump, as usual, is on both sides of the issue.
Trump has also borrowed heavily from Cruz on healthcare. Trump stole from Cruz the repeal Obamacare line.
Of course, Trump can't keep it straight and keep saying the government will take care of everybody and that he'll repeal Obamacare, too.
Frankly, I don't care anymore if someone steals policies from someone else, as long as I trust they will actually implement some of them.
I don't trust Trump, because he's naturally a liberal, he's for big government, and he's a deal-maker.
If I liked that, Boehner would be my dream candidate.
so Trump, as usual, is on both sides of the issue.
Trump has also borrowed heavily from Cruz on healthcare. Trump stole from Cruz the repeal Obamacare line.
Of course, Trump can't keep it straight and keep saying the government will take care of everybody and that he'll repeal Obamacare, too.
Frankly, I don't care anymore if someone steals policies from someone else, as long as I trust they will actually implement some of them.
I don't trust Trump, because he's naturally a liberal, he's for big government, and he's a deal-maker.
If I liked that, Boehner would be my dream candidate.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 05:35 PM (UBBWX)
696
If anyone thinks Trump is trustworthy and will keep his promises just watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VsxiReCPQ
You'll wonder how this guy has the ballz to call someone else a liar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VsxiReCPQ
You'll wonder how this guy has the ballz to call someone else a liar.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 05:36 PM (UBBWX)
697
Don't waste reason on the unreasonable.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:31 PM (uURQL)
That exists only in your mind, imo, as evidenced by the effort you made to reply to my post with so many words. You could have used far fewer words and effort by simply stating the (1) principle that I asked for.What are you afraid of and why are you liberals so angry and defensive all the time?If you're afraid to restate those "principles", why not settle on this question...do you find Trump to be consistent in his principles? Thats a new question and it needs no searching for old comments.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:31 PM (uURQL)
That exists only in your mind, imo, as evidenced by the effort you made to reply to my post with so many words. You could have used far fewer words and effort by simply stating the (1) principle that I asked for.What are you afraid of and why are you liberals so angry and defensive all the time?If you're afraid to restate those "principles", why not settle on this question...do you find Trump to be consistent in his principles? Thats a new question and it needs no searching for old comments.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:39 PM (aRUb8)
698
I don't trust Trump, because he's naturally a liberal, he's for big government, and he's a deal-maker.
If I liked that, Boehner would be my dream candidate.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 05:35 PM (UBBWX)
Exactly, but if you point out the obvious, it'll just make the Trumpatrons all PMS and bitchy.
If I liked that, Boehner would be my dream candidate.
Posted by: Harun at April 05, 2016 05:35 PM (UBBWX)
Exactly, but if you point out the obvious, it'll just make the Trumpatrons all PMS and bitchy.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:41 PM (aRUb8)
699
That exists only in your mind, imo, as evidenced by the effort you made to reply to my post with so many words. You could have used far fewer words and effort by simply stating the (1) principle that I asked for.What are you afraid of and why are you liberals so angry and defensive all the time?If you're afraid to restate those "principles", why not settle on this question...do you find Trump to be consistent in his principles? Thats a new question and it needs no searching for old comments.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:39 PM (aRUb
Repeating myself is boring. Eviscerating your dishonesty is entertaining.
Now you're trying to weakly use my criticism against me.
All these words, and you still can't be arsed to use Ctrl-F "ReactionaryMonster" to scroll through the thread and find what you claimed to want to know.
That's why I told you - if you can't be arsed to read it, I don't care enough to repeat it. You've lied, I have not. And now that I've called you out on your bad faith, you double down and go further on the attack.
What a surprise.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 05:39 PM (aRUb
Repeating myself is boring. Eviscerating your dishonesty is entertaining.
Now you're trying to weakly use my criticism against me.
All these words, and you still can't be arsed to use Ctrl-F "ReactionaryMonster" to scroll through the thread and find what you claimed to want to know.
That's why I told you - if you can't be arsed to read it, I don't care enough to repeat it. You've lied, I have not. And now that I've called you out on your bad faith, you double down and go further on the attack.
What a surprise.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:46 PM (uURQL)
700
It's nice to see that Trumpler has already found his Herman Goering.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 05, 2016 06:04 PM (/jecC)
701
You've lied, I have not. And now that I've called
you out on your bad faith, you double down and go further on the
attack.
What a surprise.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:46 PM (uURQL)
What is my lie?What is my bad faith?
You Trump supporters are amazing in your willful blindness and convoluted "logic". Just my opinion, others may feel differently.
you out on your bad faith, you double down and go further on the
attack.
What a surprise.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 05:46 PM (uURQL)
What is my lie?What is my bad faith?
You Trump supporters are amazing in your willful blindness and convoluted "logic". Just my opinion, others may feel differently.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 06:06 PM (aRUb8)
702
You don't win the Superbowl at halftime or the World Series in two games or the Republican nomination "automatically" with "1100 delegates", even if you threaten "riots".
Overgrown Sewer Rats.
Overgrown Sewer Rats.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 05, 2016 06:14 PM (Ndje9)
703
Epic pearl clutching at the death card site.
Totally beclowned.
Totally beclowned.
Posted by: ChocoCheese at April 05, 2016 06:21 PM (u6Nyo)
704
It's unlikely Trump could beat Hillary, but if his people intimidate the delegates, that would guarantee he loses to her, a la 1968. That's if he could even get the nomination.
Posted by: stace at April 05, 2016 06:21 PM (ozZau)
705
John Kasich checks into hotels under the name John Kasich.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 05, 2016 06:34 PM (VdICR)
706
What is my lie?What is my bad faith?
You Trump supporters are amazing in your willful blindness and convoluted "logic". Just my opinion, others may feel differently.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 06:06 PM (aRUb
I told you a few posts ago. Reading comprehension is hard.
You Trump supporters are amazing in your willful blindness and convoluted "logic". Just my opinion, others may feel differently.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 05, 2016 06:06 PM (aRUb
I told you a few posts ago. Reading comprehension is hard.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 05, 2016 06:37 PM (uURQL)
707
I'd really like to know when Reince Prebus is going to grab Trump by the collar and show him the door. Democrats do this crap, not us. I'm so embarrassed by all this.
Posted by: SusanL at April 05, 2016 07:04 PM (RijDX)
708
For once a Republican plays the game like a blood sport, just as the Libtards always have.
Good!
Good!
Posted by: G6loq at April 05, 2016 07:04 PM (zj+JZ)
709
And why should we as a party support someone who is
not willing to do the very basics of campaigning. If Cruz is able to
pull this off, it at least shows that he has a sold organizational
structure in place. Those things are important.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (gmeXX)
Probably a dead thread... That organizational structure?
It is called the GOP.You may call it the GOPe if it makes you feel better about yourself.
not willing to do the very basics of campaigning. If Cruz is able to
pull this off, it at least shows that he has a sold organizational
structure in place. Those things are important.
Posted by: SH at April 05, 2016 04:17 PM (gmeXX)
Probably a dead thread... That organizational structure?
It is called the GOP.You may call it the GOPe if it makes you feel better about yourself.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 05, 2016 07:07 PM (T78UI)
710
Seems like Kennedy had a quote about this. Something about making peaceful something or the other impossible made violent something or the other... ...who cares. Sack up boys and girls this ride is only just starting.
Posted by: Mr. Cannibal at April 05, 2016 07:16 PM (S4uxJ)
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