French Sources Now Reporting That The White House Cut Translation of Hollande's Words When He Mentioned "Islamist Terrorism"

VIDÉOS - La Maison-Blanche coupe la traduction de François Hollande quand il parle de "terrorisme islamiste"

Video: The White House cuts the translation of Francois Hollande when he talks about "Islamist terrorism"
Was it a technical problem or a real deliberate act of censorship? The White House has not definitely said. But it's all the same a strange moment that Francois Hollande experienced, Thursday March 31 at Washington, even if the President of France wasn't fully aware of it.
At the beginning of the summit on nuclear security, President This F***ing Guy and his French opposite number had made a mutual declaration, speaking mostly about ISIS. The tone was serious, engaged, resolute. But, as revealed by the Media Research Center, an american conservative media watchdog group, the speech of the french president wasn't translated for several seconds. And this cut followed just after he [Hollande] pronounced the words "islamist terrorism."
Francis Hollande had said:
We are conscious of the source of islamist terrorism, it is in Syria and it is in Iraq. And we must act in Iraq and in Syrie. That is what we are doing in the framework of the coalition. And we note that ISIS has been knocked back thanks to the strikes that we have led in this framework of this coalition.
This video [video of French version omitted] was itself published by the president's office of France. On the American side, the accounting is * a tiny little bit* diferent.
Judge for yourself against this video put out by the White House [White House's video omitted]:
Several sentences spoken by Francois Hollande were therefore not translated, and notably the famous expression "Islamist terrorism:" "Islamist terrorism, it is in Syria and in Iraq. We must act in Iraq ad in Syria. That's what we're doing in the framework of the coalition."
Note that these sentences are indeed recorded, on the other hand, in the written transcript by the White House.
This cutting of the translation could therefore be simply a technical problem. On the other hand, as is stressed by the conservative Media Research Center, Barack Obama has many times been criticized for having refused to speak of "Islamist terrorism."
In February 2015, a month after the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and the Hyper Kosher [grocery store], Slate [the magazine] had written an article explaining why Barack Obama doesn't say "radical Islam," "Islamist," or "jihadist."
Barack Obama himself explained his refusal to use these terms. "I think that it is important to be aware of the fact that the great majority of Muslims reject this ideology," he told CNN.
But the necessity, for the US, of having the support of the countries called "radical Muslim" like Saudi Arabia, could equally explain the choice in terminology, argued Slate, citing an article from Bloomberg View... and so this cut [seems like a pracitcal enough choice? -- not sure there].

Here's the full French of the untranslated part:

Nous sommes conscients que la source du terrorisme islamiste, elle est en Syrie et elle est en Irak. Et nous devons agir en Irak et en Syrie. C'est ce que nous faisons dans le cadre de la coalition. Et nous constatons que Daech est en recul grâce aux frappes que nous avons pu mener dans le cadre de cette coalition.

Kind of what I though in the beginning -- pretty simple. He doesn't say "racines" which means "roots;" he says 'source" which means, well, "source."

Not really possible to not understand such simple stuff like "Nous sommes conscients que la source de terrorisme" which you can practically read as English.

I take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is.

Posted by: Ace at 04:03 PM

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1 Nice catch Ace

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2016 04:05 PM (1J6E6)

2 Nice catch by the regime's sound guy.

Wouldn't want the truth to be broadcast.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 01, 2016 04:06 PM (Qvgg/)

3 On any level, I don't understand why they insist on not recognizing this publicly.

Doesn't everyone already know Obama's ME policies have caused mayhem?

Is it to not cause MORE outrage about refugees?

Make Jarrett happy?

What?

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 01, 2016 04:06 PM (U+nHb)

4 *headdesk*

Because what we needed was a nice international incident on top of all the clusterfuckery.

*headdesk*

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 01, 2016 04:07 PM (mf5HN)

5 Was it a technical problem or a real deliberate act of censorship?

LOL.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:07 PM (zc3Db)

6 This is also covered at DRUDGE.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 01, 2016 04:07 PM (U+nHb)

7 Is this the same thread or a different thread?

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 01, 2016 04:08 PM (dFi94)

8 Barack Hussein Obama is an apologist for and an enabler of radical Islam. Can you just stop the pretense that he isn't?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2016 04:08 PM (w4NZ8)

9 My guess is the White House is just arrogant enough, and the French just over-occupied enough that this goes away with French just being butthurt.

Posted by: IP at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (aQQbl)

10 What's more odd; that the Oblammo crew censored the remarks or that they believed no one would notice?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (A/3fN)

11 This cutting of the translation could therefore be simply a technical problem.

We are expert translators.

PEREGRUZKA!!!!

Posted by: Queef Shrillary of Cankledom at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (zc3Db)

12 Pathetic.

They can't even confront "Islamic terrorism" being said by a world leader who is friendly on the issue.

If you can't say it - or, apparently, hear it - you can't fight it.

Posted by: jmt at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (I8vjj)

13 If this wasn't enough for Obama. He had to go and toss a peace sign and be that guy at the nuclear summit photo....

http://tinyurl.com/zld8cd8

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (54DCl)

14
I take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is.
Posted by: Ace

Took 'em long enough.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (FkBIv)

15 They will claim it's a miss understanding, or some sort of technical difficulties, but don't buy it for a second.

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2016 04:10 PM (1J6E6)

16 Foux d' fa fa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo

Posted by: I wish I could find a nice bilingual man at April 01, 2016 04:11 PM (3fTXW)

17 Dear France, our closest and strongest ally,

You can register your complaints at our help desk:

1-800-FU1CKYO!!!!

We have repurposed this line from my ObamaCare specifically to help you out.

Posted by: King Admiral Emperor Barky at April 01, 2016 04:11 PM (zc3Db)

18 Obama ees...how you say...a sucker of ze cock.

Posted by: Francois Hollande at April 01, 2016 04:11 PM (YFFpo)

19 Hey --so are you catching where the French feminize "Islamic terrorism"--ici : elle est en Syrie.

Ha!

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:11 PM (mcm0N)

20 The GOPe will voice very serious meaningful concern about this attempt of the USA government to censor the truth. You can count on the GOPe guys and their fresh faces. Every time.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at April 01, 2016 04:12 PM (w1N7o)

21 We're bigger pussies than the French now. This is a new low.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 01, 2016 04:12 PM (4/i9Y)

22 I thought him shucking the deuce was just a joke.

Then I took a peek at the DM...

FFS, he's a goddamn idiot.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 01, 2016 04:12 PM (rlfds)

23 How far we have fallen where we lift up the French to get our backs. Previously the only thing they could lift were their arms - in surrender. Now it appears we are the surrender monkeys - or perhaps ostriches with heads in the sand and our bare arse in the air.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 01, 2016 04:12 PM (jxbfJ)

24 The Fwench(!) CORRECTLY look down on our national manhood.

What a fu*ked up world.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2016 04:13 PM (g8Hfr)

25 [Islam]

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 04:13 PM (YLLPb)

26 Damn it pouffe de creme ete bien--or something.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:13 PM (mcm0N)

27 Barak just keeps living the lie, and always will.

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2016 04:13 PM (1J6E6)

28 Because of the metric system.

Posted by: jsg at April 01, 2016 04:14 PM (qUpoE)

29 Stick with the pouffe ---plus drole.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:14 PM (mcm0N)

30 Hey --so are you catching where the French feminize "Islamic terrorism"--ici : elle est en Syrie.

Ha!

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:11 PM (mcm0N)

I've been assured by someone in another thread that gender assignments in all the genderized languages are totally meaningless and nothing more than syntactic protocols.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:15 PM (zc3Db)

31 I don't speak French but Bing translator tells me that to call Obama a moron is:

Obama ce qu'un crétin

Posted by: Cheri at April 01, 2016 04:15 PM (oiNtH)

32 We're bigger pussies than the French now. This is a new low.

Spreading the leadership around.

And just like when you spread the wealth around, you somehow end up having less of it afterward.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (2lndx)

33
Barak just keeps living the lie, and always will.
Posted by: Skip

It's worked for him quite well.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (FkBIv)

34 As long as I've disappointed TFG my day is complete.

Posted by: DaveA at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (DL2i+)

35 I saw Syntactic Protocols open for Procol Harum at the Fillmore West, 1974

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (Qvgg/)

36 I really don't see the big deal

Posted by: Future President Elect Hillary at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (0LHZx)

37 This is what happens when your president is a fag.

Posted by: Weasel at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (e3bId)

38 Remember wingnuts. Barry's NCAA tournament brackets are favorably in the 60th percentile.

Posted by: Fritz at April 01, 2016 04:17 PM (UzPAd)

39 I've been assured by someone in another thread that gender assignments in all the genderized languages are totally meaningless and nothing more than syntactic protocols.

D'un femme?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 01, 2016 04:17 PM (2lndx)

40 Obama is a black diamond.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 01, 2016 04:17 PM (FkBIv)

41 Ou d'une homme?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 01, 2016 04:17 PM (2lndx)

42 So I watched the two clips at the link.

It seemed to me that translator girl self-censored. Said "roots of terrorism" rather than "source of Islamic terrorism".

That may have been her marching orders, but it seemed more like self-censoring than editing-censoring.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (1xUj/)

43 37 Posted by: Weasel at April 01, 2016 04:16 PM (e3bId)

or you know Civil Wars....

//Jim Buchanan

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (g8Hfr)

44 So what is the most correct formula now?

If Hollande had said Islamic radical terrorism would they communicate that?

I think Hillary says Islamic jihadi terrorism, not sure.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (mcm0N)

45 43 that's Phase 2.

Posted by: Weasel at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (e3bId)

46 Dear Europe. You wanted TFG, I hope you are enjoying all the refugees after his Arab spring, *solving* your Libya problem with Khudaffy, etc etc

My sympathies to any outvoted and outshouted sane Europeans, we know how that goes.

Posted by: Palerider at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (dkExz)

47 >>>f***ing guy<<<

fagging guy?

Posted by: Gov Walker at April 01, 2016 04:19 PM (AHcCm)

48 40 Obama is a black diamond.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
------------------------

Better than a black spade.

Which is trump?

Posted by: Roy at April 01, 2016 04:19 PM (VndSC)

49 "If this wasn't enough for Obama. He had to go and toss a peace sign and be that guy at the nuclear summit photo.."..

Obama "Sign of World Peace" will have libs wetting themselves like they did over Bernie's "Lost Sparrow of World Peace" Simple minds are easily impressed.

Posted by: Ripley at April 01, 2016 04:19 PM (1BQGO)

50 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at April 01, 2016 04:19 PM (GwIKd)

51 Posted by: Palerider at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (dkExz)

-------

HA! So true.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 01, 2016 04:19 PM (U+nHb)

52 Posted by: Palerider at April 01, 2016 04:18 PM (dkExz)

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 01, 2016 04:20 PM (KUaJL)

53 Ou d'une homme?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 01, 2016 04:17 PM (2lndx)

I don't speak Frog ... but I will take a wild guess that the "d" means "from", and .. it was a guy.

I made a statement about how the idiot leftists were so concerned with erasing all gender references in English, when English is one of the few non-gendered languages in the world, and they don't even have squat to say about most of the other languages which are totally genderized in all aspects.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:21 PM (zc3Db)

54
BDS is having problems opening bank accounts. France and Germany aint playing. Let's hope that Austria follows suit. And the UK where they declare everything hate speech shd do the same.

http://goo.gl/0NZ6rC

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 01, 2016 04:21 PM (iQIUe)

55 Saddest part: if he could run again, he'd easily win a 3rd term. The country is that far gone.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 01, 2016 04:21 PM (0LHZx)

56 Something tells me, that some liberals will think tossing the peace sign at the summit was the right thing to do...

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:22 PM (54DCl)

57 I checked to see if this was news in Krautistan and it isn't, but Hans-Dietrich Gescher has croaked.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 01, 2016 04:22 PM (1xUj/)

58 Ace's French lessons have paid off handsomely.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2016 04:22 PM (voOPb)

59 55 Saddest part: if he could run again, he'd easily win a 3rd term. The country is that far gone.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
-------------------------

So would Clinton (the one with the penis, but not the pantsuit)

Posted by: Roy at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (VndSC)

60
Ho-OHHHH!

Posted by: Ed McMahon at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (P0DTV)

61 I take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is.

So we are going to get into a shooting war with the French.
How this country has fallen.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (FxM6p)

62
er,

Yo!

Hohhh!

Posted by: Ed McMahon at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (P0DTV)

63 All of this Obama twaddle just confirms my assessment of him, which I've held for a long time.... He's an Everyman type of your ghey waiter at the local Ruby Tuesday's or Red Lobster, flouncing up to your table with a cheap house wine, trying to sell you on appetizers, shoving out the cheese biscuits like he's doing you a damned favor.
Then Everyman Obama just... hovers... the pest that will not go away. In no time at all you learn to despise the little ponce, and short tip him out of spite.

Posted by: kraken at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (sdxPm)

64 So would Clinton (the one with the penis, but not the pantsuit)
Posted by: Roy at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (VndSC)

____

Are you sure one doesn't have a penis?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 01, 2016 04:24 PM (0LHZx)

65 40 Obama is a black diamond.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 01, 2016 04:17 PM (FkBIv)

That's what we are calling pieces of shit these days?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2016 04:24 PM (voOPb)

66 13 If this wasn't enough for Obama. He had to go and toss a peace sign and be that guy at the nuclear summit photo....

http://tinyurl.com/zld8cd8
Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (54DCl)

He looks absolutely baked in that photo.

Posted by: rickl at April 01, 2016 04:24 PM (zoehZ)

67 Typical

What do you expect from a guy who uses the woman's silver dumbells at the gym.

Posted by: Yo! at April 01, 2016 04:24 PM (GwIKd)

68 I take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is.

That's why most of the world loved Barky and tried their best to force him on us in 2008.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:24 PM (zc3Db)

69 I've been assured by someone in another thread that gender assignments in all the genderized languages are totally meaningless and nothing more than syntactic protocols.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:15 PM (zc3Db)

*********

Well I like it in this case. A small victory for the language of French a giant leap into chaos everywhere.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:25 PM (mcm0N)

70
See?

All these meetings with the Chinese are providing opportunity for cross-cultural learning.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 01, 2016 04:25 PM (LWu6U)

71 Soixante-neuf.
Sans mains, sans doute.

Posted by: michelle fields at April 01, 2016 04:26 PM (fbovC)

72 63 All of this Obama twaddle just confirms my assessment of him, which I've held for a long time.... He's an Everyman type of your ghey waiter at the local Ruby Tuesday's or Red Lobster, flouncing up to your table with a cheap house wine, trying to sell you on appetizers, shoving out the cheese biscuits like he's doing you a damned favor.
Then Everyman Obama just... hovers... the pest that will not go away. In no time at all you learn to despise the little ponce, and short tip him out of spite.
Posted by: kraken at April 01, 2016 04:23 PM (sdxPm)

____

Heh.

Dude come on, that's harsh. I worked at Olive Garden in college. It was an OK job, but yeah it's all about upsell, upsell, upsell....the penne, great and would you the shrimp on that? Fantastic (oops did I forget to mention the shrimp is an extra $3, oh well).

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 01, 2016 04:26 PM (0LHZx)

73 Barak Hussein lèche chibres de pantalons pour hommes dans les toilettes des gentlemens. Il est généralement dans la stalle d'extrémité la plus éloignée de la porte.

Posted by: translate dot google is your friend at April 01, 2016 04:26 PM (IQI2h)

74 Omitting Hollande's mention of "islamic terrorism" could earn Barky another Nobel Peace Prize. Well, it would be his first "earned" one ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:26 PM (zc3Db)

75 Soixante-neuf.
Sans mains, sans doute.
Posted by: michelle fields at April 01, 2016 04:26 PM (fbovC)

Mish, you know what happens when you speak french to me.

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:27 PM (54DCl)

76 >> That's why most of the world loved Barky and tried their best to force him on us in 2008.

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 01, 2016 04:27 PM (LWu6U)

77
Olive Garden is to Italian food what a Filet-o-Fish is to fish.

Posted by: Ed McMahon at April 01, 2016 04:27 PM (P0DTV)

78 Funny when an actual Socialist leader of France is more hawkish and less afraid of political correctness than Obama.

Posted by: Swingline at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (e6bkB)

79 OT: Well not really because it involves Obama. Has anyone seen the group picture of Obama making a fool of himself at the Nuclear Security Summit.

I know people get angry because it is nomination time and everyone has their favorite, but can anyone imagine Cruz or Trump doing a peace sign and making a stupid face like a complete idiot. Note: Trump is maybe crazy to some but he keeps the dignified look in official photos for something significant.

Obama is what "Group 2", or "educated upper class" (yet stupid), people think is "presidential". These are the people some tell us that are the gate keepers of America's future.

Instead it is the typical Trump supporter who is preventing us from winning over these gatekeepers of a happy America. You know for wanting a border wall, and such, and not flashing peace signs and making faces at international events involving nuclear weapons.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (q52Ma)

80 He's not a sissy, he's a religious zealot. I'll let you figure out which religion(s) he's beholden to. I count two.

Posted by: Kensington at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (7Kbxu)

81 I have to agree with whomever said Obama looks baked in that photo. Seriously, he's pretty toasted.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (U+nHb)

82
Better than a black spade.

Which is trump?

----------

A God emporer

Posted by: Bob at April 01, 2016 04:29 PM (isjiP)

83 http://tinyurl.com/zld8cd8
Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM (54DCl)

What a maroon that always has to grab attention to himself. Trudeau looks like a total asshat as well.

Posted by: Cheri at April 01, 2016 04:29 PM (oiNtH)

84 in his formative years, in Indonesia, he learned to be a true dhimmi, It is still a core part of who he is.

Posted by: talgus at April 01, 2016 04:29 PM (vwHnd)

85 Posted by: Seems Legit at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (U+nHb)

I'm thinkin glue and a tube sock...

Posted by: kraken at April 01, 2016 04:29 PM (sdxPm)

86 78 Funny when an actual Socialist leader of France is more hawkish and less afraid of political correctness than Obama.
Posted by: Swingline at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (e6bkB)

Boulevards, shade trees, Obama joke there somewhere.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2016 04:30 PM (voOPb)

87 Sometimes Olive Garden is all you've got. Not too bad for a monster sized chain. Did I mention they have an all-beverage license?

Posted by: free tibet, and all that other sh*t at April 01, 2016 04:30 PM (lAXNl)

88 You know why I can be a total douchebag and get away with?
I won.

Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at April 01, 2016 04:31 PM (YFFpo)

89 Its the dumbest lie the Obama administration keeps trying to trot out. Its one of those lies that make people feel stupid saying it and nobody buys. Its the kind of retarded crap that the media admitted they felt dumb saying when the Bill Clintons was in office, to defend him.

I know why he's doing it - he thinks this will help US-Muslim relations and reduce terrorism because we're not mean to them and it will not generate more angry Muslim terrorists for being attacked on TV and their feels being hurt yadda yadda. That's all nonsense, but that's why he's doing it.

Its just... so transparently idiotic and weak. Even the few pathetic wretches I used to run into on the left who tried to defend it couldn't really put much effort into it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:32 PM (39g3+)

90
What a maroon that always has to grab attention to himself. Trudeau looks like a total asshat as well.
Posted by: Cheri at April 01, 2016 04:29 PM (oiNtH

douches gotta douche

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2016 04:32 PM (voOPb)

91 Funny when an actual Socialist leader of France is more hawkish and less afraid of political correctness than Obama.
Posted by: Swingline at April 01, 2016 04:28 PM (e6bkB)

Boulevards, shade trees, ~~Obama joke there somewhere~~ Germans marching.

^^^^^
That's why.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2016 04:33 PM (FxM6p)

92 Sometimes Olive Garden is all you've got.

Eating Olive Garden for Italian food is like eating a cracker with baloney on it for pizza, and spending 11 dollars for it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:33 PM (39g3+)

93 And all you can eat breadsticks.

Posted by: IP at April 01, 2016 04:33 PM (aQQbl)

94
Obama is like the fly ridden steamer a coyote won't even eat.

Posted by: wth at April 01, 2016 04:33 PM (HgMAr)

95 Deliberate act of censorship, no question from this Administration.

Amazing how, without his media shield, Obama would either be in prison, or more likely awaiting the hangman's noose.

No justice in this world for him, I hope there will be in the next.

Posted by: acethepug at April 01, 2016 04:33 PM (Z6yF/)

96 What a maroon that always has to grab attention to himself. Trudeau looks like a total asshat as well.
Posted by: Cheri at April 01, 2016 04:29 PM (oiNtH)

Glad Cameron was shocked and some other guy on the other far side and noticed it.

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (54DCl)

97 92 Sometimes Olive Garden is all you've got.

Eating Olive Garden for Italian food is like eating a cracker with baloney on it for pizza, and spending 11 dollars for it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:33 PM (39g3+)

I like bologna on crackers at home. Why is that so wrong

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (voOPb)

98 Oh yeah. Justin Trudeau, who pronounced that "if you kill someone, they win." He's even dumber and more incompetent than Obama. All he has going for him is he makes a lot of gullible women sigh because he looks boyish.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (39g3+)

99 ok so Olive Garden isn't Italian.
What about Fazzoli's?

Posted by: IP at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (aQQbl)

100

Eating Olive Garden for Italian food is like pouring ketchup on ramen noodles and calling it pasta and sauce.

Posted by: Ed McMahon at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (P0DTV)

101 ok so Olive Garden isn't Italian.
What about Fazzoli's?
Posted by: IP at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (aQQbl)

Worse!

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:35 PM (54DCl)

102 I like Olive Garden. I would eat there any day. I would rather eat at Olive Garden than any hoity-toity French restaurant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:36 PM (zc3Db)

103 The GOP candidate that can tie Obama to Hillary and hammer her for her past and antics can win. The ones that won't, will be the ones the GOP convention will select.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:36 PM (39g3+)

104 ok so Olive Garden isn't Italian.
What about Fazzoli's?
Posted by: IP at April 01, 2016 04:34 PM (aQQbl)

Well I guess you don't have to worry about Obama being your crappy waiter at Fazzolis. Silver lining everywhere.

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:36 PM (54DCl)

105 102

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 04:36 PM (YLLPb)

106 Relax, you can call it what you want but the food at Olive Garden is tasty. If it wasn't you wouldn't have heard of it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 01, 2016 04:36 PM (U+nHb)

107 Eating Olive Garden for Italian food is like pouring ketchup on ramen noodles and calling it pasta and sauce.
Now, really,who hasn't done that? Never been messed up at 4 am in kollidge?

Posted by: free tibet, and all that other sh*t at April 01, 2016 04:36 PM (lAXNl)

108 doing a peace sign and making a stupid face

******

This happened?

Oh gawd--je dois cerche sur le Google.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:37 PM (mcm0N)

109 98 Good thing the Canadians went nuts.It was bad when Canada was better than us.

Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2016 04:37 PM (B48dK)

110 no surprise, dickbag gotta dick

Posted by: ZEKE at April 01, 2016 04:37 PM (M1Eq2)

111 The problem with Olive Garden is that they make bad Italian food and charge too much for it. Italian is so easy to make at home, its got to be really good to justify eating out for.

I mean, freakin' Sbarro makes better Italian at half the price.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:37 PM (39g3+)

112
Olive Garden, honestly, is half decent.

Posted by: Ed McMahon at April 01, 2016 04:37 PM (P0DTV)

113 Good thing the Canadians went nuts.It was bad when Canada was better than us.

Yeah, that was humiliating for a while when they have a better leader and a better dollar. And more polite people. And everyone loves them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:38 PM (39g3+)

114 Obama acts like a Kartrashian. The are famous for making that stupid gesture.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 01, 2016 04:39 PM (iQIUe)

115 Yep; The guy in the photo on the bottom left in the Nuclear Summit photo looks appalled. And Obama definitely looks drunk or stoned or both.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2016 04:39 PM (w4NZ8)

116 Oh yeah. Justin Trudeau, who pronounced that "if you kill someone, they win." He's even dumber and more incompetent than Obama. All he has going for him is he makes a lot of gullible women sigh because he looks boyish.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Yeah and the media always makes sure to mention his 'awesome looks' and how everyone swoons over him. Speaking for myself, when I meet a handsome man who begins to spout stupidity and acts like a crème 'd pouffe, it turns me off faster than bad breath or BO.

Posted by: Cheri at April 01, 2016 04:39 PM (oiNtH)

117 Charles Payne is being mean to Butthead Rove. Putting him on the spot about Cruz. Rove's cheeks are pink.

Posted by: Ralph at April 01, 2016 04:39 PM (AHcCm)

118 Yeah, that was humiliating for a while when they have a better leader and a better dollar. And more polite people. And everyone loves them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:38 PM (39g3+)

I assume you're leaving the Quebecois out.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:39 PM (zc3Db)

119 Trudeau looks like Snidely Whiplash.

Posted by: Kasich's Mother's Mailman at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (nIGPZ)

120 When Olive Garden came to Grand Forks, North Dakota...

knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/marilyn-hagertys-olive-garden-review

Posted by: Marilyn Hagerty's Olive Garden Review at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (IQI2h)

121 I hope those other politicians felt like it was worth their time hanging out with Obama. I'd rather be arguing with morons.

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (54DCl)

122 Ruby Tuesday's FTW!!! Yes, I'd short tip TFG too if he waited on me. Fvcker can't run a country, I'd hate to see him try and serve multiple tables.

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (YLLPb)

123 No Sbarro here.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (FkBIv)

124 I blame AGW for Ogabe's childish actions at the summit.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (22uju)

125
Ace's French lessons have paid off handsomely.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2016 04:22 PM (voOPb)

Except that I think Teh Ewok was hoping for midnight pancakes with Frogettes sporting unshaven pits.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2016 04:40 PM (SHfcd)

126 Oh, quel âne je suis.

Posted by: Prez'nit Mambo back from Cuber at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (Dwehj)

127 If you watch the video, Obama says 'We have 2 more people we are waiting on' while holding his fingers up.

Posted by: jsg at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (qUpoE)

128 >>Dear France, our closest and strongest ally....

Would you say they "punch above their weight?"

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (NOIQH)

129 #EpicFail

Posted by: Prez'nit Mambo back from Cuber at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (Dwehj)

130 [Karl], If it's not Trump or Cruz people are going to be really mand.
And I'll leave it right there.

Posted by: Charles Payne at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (AHcCm)

131 115 Yep; The guy in the photo on the bottom left in the Nuclear Summit photo looks appalled. And Obama definitely looks drunk or stoned or both.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at

Afternoon, Fenelon. I'm of the opinion he's been blacked out half the time. Only time the slacker looks engaged is when he's golfing. Or doing the fandango somewhere.

Posted by: kraken at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (sdxPm)

132 Screw autocorrect ugh. Cherche.

He's the only one in the group photo doing the peace sign.

Dick Nixon did this but it was a screw you deal-- and the 70's.

Now the hippies are inside the White House good gawd.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:42 PM (mcm0N)

133 Olive Garden is not that bad, sheesh! Some folks...

Though honestly Carrabba's > Olive Garden, but that's not a question of Olive Garden being bad, just that Carrabba's is that good...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 01, 2016 04:42 PM (9krrF)

134 I just love those black diamonds.

Posted by: Prez'nit Mambo back from Cuber at April 01, 2016 04:42 PM (Dwehj)

135 Calling Obama 'presidential' is like pouring ketchup on ramen noodles and calling it pasta and sauce.

Posted by: Ripley at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (1BQGO)

136 I'd hate to see him try and serve multiple tables.

I didn't bring the wrong food. You ordered the wrong food.

Posted by: Waitress Obama at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (2lndx)

137 Today is Preznit Dogeater's Special Day.

Posted by: The Fool Has Said In His Heart There Is No G_D at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (nbGZj)

138 Would you say they "punch above their weight?"

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (NOIQH)

They slap fat people. Does that count?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (zc3Db)

139 If you watch the video, Obama says 'We have 2 more people we are waiting on' while holding his fingers up.
Posted by: jsg at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (qUpoE)

Honestly?

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (54DCl)

140 127 If you watch the video, Obama says 'We have 2 more people we are waiting on' while holding his fingers up.
Posted by: jsg at April 01, 2016 04:41 PM (qUpoE)

****

Okay, okay. We might allow it.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (mcm0N)

141 I didn't bring the wrong food. You ordered the wrong food.

lol

Posted by: Prez'nit Mambo back from Cuber at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (Dwehj)

142 He's not doing a peace sign. He's flashing "two hits!" to his buddies in IS.

No, seriously, I'm certain he's stoned out of his mind and stays that way more or less all the time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:44 PM (39g3+)

143 136 I'd hate to see him try and serve multiple tables.

I didn't bring the wrong food. You ordered the wrong food.
Posted by: Waitress Obama at April 01, 2016

"At some point, you've had enough food".

Posted by: kraken at April 01, 2016 04:44 PM (sdxPm)

144 >>>Hey --so are you catching where the French feminize "Islamic terrorism"--ici : elle est en Syrie.

Ha!

...

it's not really "feminized." the word "terrorisme" ends in "-isme" which is generally feminine.

these masculine/feminine things mean nothing.

If I kill a guy, I might say,

"Cet homme, je l'ai tue'. Ma victime, elle est morte."

This man, I killed him. My victim, he's dead."

But I say "she" in french because "victime" is always feminine, even when it's a dude.

no one gives this any meaning whatsoever except people first learning the language. Dick is "la bite" (feminine) and tit is "Le sein" (masculine).

Means nothing. Mostly a function of hte word's ending.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 04:45 PM (dciA+)

145 136
I didn't bring the wrong food. You ordered the wrong food.
Posted by: Waitress Obama at April 01, 2016 04:43 PM (2lndx)

Threadwinner!

Posted by: rickl at April 01, 2016 04:45 PM (zoehZ)

146
Oh yeah. Justin Trudeau, who pronounced that "if you kill someone, they win."

Hey Justin, is it bad that I want the mohammedans to win?

So to speak.....

And how does it feel to know that even though I've never met her, I know what your skank mom's cooch looks like?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2016 04:46 PM (SHfcd)

147
Posted by: rickl at April 01, 2016 04:45 PM (zoehZ)
Second that...

Posted by: kraken at April 01, 2016 04:46 PM (sdxPm)

148 Has anyone tried the KFC nashville hot chicken yet ?

Is it just KFC with cayenne dumped on it?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 01, 2016 04:46 PM (A/3fN)

149 Dammit! He does say we're waiting on 2. But he does it like he's in a restaurant so well.

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:46 PM (54DCl)

150 >>They slap fat people. Does that count?

I was referring to this - it never gets old, lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Ur5E61sKY

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2016 04:46 PM (NOIQH)

151 Yeah romantic language words have genders (Russian does, too, and German) but that's distinct from reference to gender in context. Honestly, the "feminine/masculine/neuter" is a grammatical tag, not really a reference to gender at all. Its a manner of keeping track how you conjugate verbs and use tenses, not anything else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:47 PM (39g3+)

152 Has anyone tried the KFC nashville hot chicken yet ?

It's ice cube lickin' good.

Posted by: Colonel Bernie Sanders at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (Dwehj)

153 I didn't bring the wrong food. You ordered the wrong food.

The scary part is I can hear that in his actual voice.

Posted by: rickl at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (zoehZ)

154
Dick is "la bite"

I love it when you speak French.

Posted by: Barney Frank at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (FkBIv)

155
Don't start slobbering all over the frogs just yet.

"Mr. Hollande said Wednesday he would no longer seek to pass two constitutional amendments that would have enshrined the government's power to declare a state of emergency and to strip some convicted terrorists of their French citizenship. . .

The groundswell of public support that buoyed Mr. Hollande in the immediate aftermath of the Paris attacks is fading. . ."

It's over at Powerline.

P.S. Belgium's interior minister said: "We will not change the rule of law in this country to be able to interrogate terrorists in a different way."

Posted by: iforgot at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (pC96u)

156 >>>Dick is "la bite" (feminine)<<<

There's some kind of sub-text here.

Posted by: Ralph at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (AHcCm)

157 No, seriously, I'm certain he's stoned out of his mind and stays that way more or less all the time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

IIRC, I remember an interview he did with 60 minutes I think were he was baked off his ass on something. He laughed inappropriately, eyes were glazed, etc.

I wish that a SS agent would take one for the team, quite his job, and let America know that this imposter gets stoned.

Posted by: Cheri at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (oiNtH)

158 Plus, I tend to bitterly cling to the salad bar until I need a to go box for the entree.

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (YLLPb)

159 Damn you daily mail for tricking me!!!11!!!

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 04:48 PM (54DCl)

160 Noodcast.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (uURQL)

161 >>>Dick is "la bite" (feminine)<<<

And the flu --> la grippe

which seems fitting....

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (NOIQH)

162 "I take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is."

He is the biggest sissy I've ever seen. And I look in the mirror every day!

Posted by: Richard Simmons at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (OD2ni)

163 Interesting nugget about the word "terrorism", itself. Seems that it is another gift from the French. From some random website:

This period of time was referred to as the Reign of Terror, largely in homage to terror cimbricus. After nearly a year, the Terror came to an end and Robespierre was overthrown and executed. When it was over, people started to use the word terrorist to describe a person who abuses power through the threat of force. A journalist in the United Kingdom wrote about the Reign of Terror in The Times newspaper, and created the word terrorism as a way to describe the actions of Robespierre. The word became so popular it was officially added to the Oxford English Dictionary three years later.

And from the online etymology dictionary:

terrorism (n.) Look up terrorism at Dictionary.com
1795, in specific sense of "government intimidation during the Reign of Terror in France" (March 1793-July 1794), from French terrorisme, from Latin terror (see terror).

If the basis of a popular government in peacetime is virtue, its basis in a time of revolution is virtue and terror -- virtue, without which terror would be barbaric; and terror, without which virtue would be impotent. [Robespierre, speech in French National Convention, 1794]

General sense of "systematic use of terror as a policy" is first recorded in English 1798 (in reference to the Irish Rebellion of that year). At one time, a word for a certain kind of mass-destruction terrorism was dynamitism (1883); and during World War I frightfulness (translating German Schrecklichkeit) was used in Britain for "deliberate policy of terrorizing enemy non-combatants."

So, we should probably all be thanking the French for bringing us that useful word.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (zc3Db)

164 It's bad enough that we are becoming a third world shit hole.

The world STFH at us.

We will become stronger on Jan 20,2017 by default. Regardless who is inaugurated.

Sad.

Posted by: Golfman at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (48QDY)

165 ... take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is.

They keep telling me competition is a good thing.

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (9KUj4)

166 The groundswell of public support that buoyed Mr. Hollande in the immediate aftermath of the Paris attacks is fading. . .

Yes, there are far more important shiny objects.

Posted by: Colonel Bernie Sanders at April 01, 2016 04:50 PM (Dwehj)

167 the confusion with foreign language's gender comes from the fact that english is a "Natural Gender" language -- we speak of gender *according to what actual, physical gender a thing has,* and if it doesn't have any gender, like it's a rock or a stool, we say "it."

This is a perfectly sensible rule, obviously.

But when you look at french words and imply some meaning from the gender of a noun you're viewing it with an english bias towards natural, real gender. That doesn't exist in terms of language in language which have grammatical (often divergent from *real*) genders.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 04:51 PM (dciA+)

168 unless Hillary, golfman.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 01, 2016 04:52 PM (Cq0oW)

169 I don't care how its translated as long as the margins are not freaki'n blown out.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at April 01, 2016 04:52 PM (A4yJw)

170 So, we should probably all be thanking the French for bringing us that useful word.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Thanks, France!

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 04:52 PM (YLLPb)

171 I take a little pleasure when the rest of the world starts to figure out what a little sissy this f***ing guy is.
--------------------

My pleasure is entirely of the "I told you so" variety when it comes to f***ing European America-hating leftist snots.

Posted by: iforgot at April 01, 2016 04:52 PM (pC96u)

172
At least the French raided and closed down a bunch of mosques. Can you see us ever doing that?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 01, 2016 04:53 PM (iQIUe)

173 I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death my right to pretend you didn't say it.

Sincerely,

Posted by: Francois-Marie Hussein Voltaire at April 01, 2016 04:53 PM (Ndje9)

174 >>>No, seriously, I'm certain he's stoned out of his mind and stays that way more or less all the time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor
<<<

He's the only skinny person in his lineage.

Posted by: Ralph at April 01, 2016 04:53 PM (AHcCm)

175 Ma victime, elle est morte."

Je dit non. Je pense que c'est n'ai pas vraiment.

If the victim is Dick then you use "il" no?

Like if you know the dead guy is a dude that should supersede all--no?

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:54 PM (mcm0N)

176 10 What's more odd; that the Oblammo crew censored the remarks or that they ~~believed no one would notice~~don't care?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 01, 2016 04:09 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at April 01, 2016 04:54 PM (9KUj4)

177
At least the French raided and closed down a bunch of mosques. Can you see us ever doing that?
Posted by: Bruce With a wang

Gotta protect those 1st Amendment rights.

Posted by: CJ John Roberts at April 01, 2016 04:55 PM (48QDY)

178 Yeah romantic language words have genders (Russian does, too, and German) but that's distinct from reference to gender in context. Honestly, the "feminine/masculine/neuter" is a grammatical tag, not really a reference to gender at all. Its a manner of keeping track how you conjugate verbs and use tenses, not anything else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 04:47 PM (39g3+)

Really? And the word "chairman", for instance? People would have said the same thing about that. But we all know that the left isn't satisfied with the word "chairman" being used for women, even though you would claim that there is no underlying meaning to it. So, why do you think a leftist would accept any of the other genderizations in foreign languages.

And the genderized terms do mean something. They didn't pop out of thin air. In some languages (I know in Hebrew, for instance) a person talking has to use different verbs depending on whether it's a male or female talking. Don't tell me that that is meaningless. It isn't.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 04:55 PM (zc3Db)

179 >>No, seriously, I'm certain he's stoned out of his mind and stays that way more or less all the time.

Me, too. Dude has weird affect and an aversion to work.

I would also bet he has spent more days traveling than any of his predecessors by a lot. Like he can't come up with enough ways to avoid work.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2016 04:55 PM (NOIQH)

180 Dick la bite.

Je suis perdu.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 04:58 PM (mcm0N)

181 At least the French raided and closed down a bunch of mosques. Can you see us ever doing that?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

Oh helz nah, however, I believe that in the future... mosques will be shutdown by citizen action. Of course, the shat will have bit the can by then.

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 04:59 PM (YLLPb)

182 Removing sock.

Amidst trumpets and violins.

Posted by: Golfman at April 01, 2016 04:59 PM (48QDY)

183 The ending of a word a or o to signify gender is more important in Latin languages.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 01, 2016 05:00 PM (MSiSP)

184 >>>Dick la bite.

Je suis perdu.<<<

Get a grippe.

Posted by: Ralph at April 01, 2016 05:00 PM (AHcCm)

185 the confusion with foreign language's gender comes from the fact that english is a "Natural Gender" language -- we speak of gender *according to what actual, physical gender a thing has,* and if it doesn't have any gender, like it's a rock or a stool, we say "it."

We only use gender for people. A dog is really an "it", whether male or female. People who like to put on affectations use genders for non-people, like ships and animals and such. It's incorrect, though.

This is a perfectly sensible rule, obviously.

What I said ... yes, it is.

But when you look at french words and imply some meaning from the gender of a noun you're viewing it with an english bias towards natural, real gender. That doesn't exist in terms of language in language which have grammatical (often divergent from *real*) genders.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 04:51 PM (dciA+)

I'm sorry, but there is an effect - whether subconscious or not - of genderizing everything. And there was a good reason for it and for how they came to be. Tits, in Hebrew, are feminine but with a masculine plural. yes ... there are always exceptions, but you don't analyze a language on its exceptions.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 05:01 PM (zc3Db)

186 *hit the fan.

Posted by: AmeriDan at April 01, 2016 05:02 PM (YLLPb)

187 Is Ace telling us French guys feminize their dew lilies?

Mon dieu.

Posted by: Dick Nixon hates Twitter and Does Not Use It at April 01, 2016 05:02 PM (mcm0N)

188 We only use gender for people. A dog is really an "it", whether male or female.

Okay ... let me walk this back a little. I tis always appropriate to use "it" for a non-human. People tend to bunch animals, at times, into gender categories - all dogs are "he"s and all cats "she"s, with owners often correcting them. Few are bothered with these generalizations, though.

As to other animals, we do use "he" and "she" when wanting to specifically point out the gender of the animal, to refer to a male lion, specifically, say. In these cases it is mostly for specificity in the statement - "He has a mane" to indicate that it is definitely a male lion. But for general talk of lions one usually uses "it". "The lion, it hunts gazelles ..."

I just wanted to clarify (and correct) my earlier statement on that issue.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 05:10 PM (zc3Db)

189 >>>ThePrimordialOrderedPair

so you think if I tell a girl "je voudrais tanter le sein" I'm kind of becoming a homosexual by referring to her tit, correctly, as masculine?

I just don't get you. You just kind of insist that other languages work, or at least should work, like the one you know.

there's just no getting past your fundamental belief that something that someone else knows isn't worth knowing yourself.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:10 PM (dciA+)

190 i screwed up, I meant tater, with a carrot-top over a, not "tanter," which I don't even know is an actual word.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:12 PM (dciA+)

191 Le Tits Now

Posted by: Sean Connery at April 01, 2016 05:12 PM (kqIMj)

192 update: Tanter is not a word.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:13 PM (dciA+)

193 the m/f thing in french is simply about what ending a word has, 90+% of the time.

https://www.fourmilab.ch/francais/gender.html

it's more of a spelling thing than any kind of logic thing having to do with gender. If it ends with an -e (and not one of the ending clusters that contains an e) it's feminine. Not because of any logic, but just because it ends in -e.

La bite, "dick," is feminine not because a dick is feminine but just because the slang for dick ends in an -e.

No one who studies the language for more than three weeks thinks anything of this. One quickly gets over one's English thinking in terms of natural gender and just accepts this is spelling/grammar thing.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:19 PM (dciA+)

194 update: Tanter is not a word.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:13 PM (dciA+)

Are you sure? I'm certain I've seen it in the comments in the ONT. Thanks for the reply the other day.

Posted by: Draki at April 01, 2016 05:20 PM (54DCl)

195 Le test.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 01, 2016 05:20 PM (RcpcZ)

196 the confusion with foreign language's gender comes from the fact that english is a "Natural Gender" language ... This is a perfectly sensible rule, obviously.

It is, and it isn't really. Its useful for extreme precision of language and specificity, but it makes the language very difficult to learn, because there's no easy tag to know how to build grammar. So its all memorization, which is kind of brutal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2016 05:21 PM (39g3+)

197 Yep; The guy in the photo on the bottom left in the Nuclear Summit photo looks appalled. And Obama definitely looks drunk or stoned or both.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2016 04:39 PM (w4NZ

He's just trolling the whole world now.

Not just the US.

By August, he'll be dropping trou and mooning the camera.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 01, 2016 05:22 PM (0cMkb)

198 oh wait i see the point.

sorry i didn't say it.

people are saying "terrorisme" is masculine, but he used "elle" to refer to it.

I don't know why he did that. I thought "terrorisme" was feminine, but i see now it's actually masculine. (In fact words ending -sme are masculine, which I didn't know -- sounded feminine to me.)

okay never mind.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:22 PM (dciA+)

199 And German has 3 genders, like Latin.

Posted by: kraki at April 01, 2016 05:23 PM (TNa9O)

200 oh i see what happened.

"elle" does not refer to "terrorisme," which is masculine, even though, damnit, I could have sworn that was feminine.

"elle" refers to "LA SOURCE." He says, "la source du terrorisme islamiste, elle est en Iraq et en syrie " -- SOURCE is the antecedent of "elle," and source is indeed feminine.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:24 PM (dciA+)

201 so you think if I tell a girl "je voudrais tanter le sein" I'm kind of becoming a homosexual by referring to her tit, correctly, as masculine?

No.

I just don't get you. You just kind of insist that other languages work, or at least should work, like the one you know.

The "ones" I know.

there's just no getting past your fundamental belief that something that someone else knows isn't worth knowing yourself.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:10 PM (dciA+)

Look, I disagree with you. You think that you are correct and I think that I'm correct. But my belief doesn't affect you.

The last time we had this sort of debate you referred me to a web page about English verb tenses and it was actually illustrative of exactly the sort of thing I was talking about (not the gender issue, but a more general linguistic one) - this page listed a lot of the standard "tenses" for English verbs but it, interestingly, got the simplest one incorrect (as all English instruction does). It claimed that forms such as "I run" are present tense. But they aren't. "I run" has no time associated with it. The English way to describe present tense running is "I am running". "I run" is a general description of something you do, not that you are presently doing it.

"How do you get to school?"
"I run".

"What are you doing right now?"
"I'm running."

But ... people will argue until they're blue in the face that "I run" is present tense even though they can't come up with a single sentence in which it is. "I run to work" talks about HOW I get to work, not what I am doing now.

Anyway, what was the point of that? There are many aspects of language - our language, even - that are "well accepted" that are just, plain incorrect. So, I have the temerity to say that some of these long-accep[ted notions are incorrect. Well ... that's me. What can I say.

But you don't have to agree with me on any of these ideas. Doesn't bother me. I argue my points and defend them as appears logical to me. If you still think I'm wrong, then fine. But I do listen to the arguments of others and change my opinions when they convince me.

You have the luxury that you can laugh at me for claiming that "I run" isn't present tense, even though every single book on English says that it is, but I have looked at the issue and come to my own conclusion. But I do listen. I am open to a single counter-example that uses "I run" in an actual present tense meaning in a sentence. I just haven't run into one, yet.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 05:25 PM (zc3Db)

202 Part of the confusion on my end is that "islamiste" looks like a feminine adjective ending, but in fact it's "islamiste/islamiste" for both male and female nouns.

The usual pattern is that an adjective with an -e at the end is feminine. Here, the masculine ends in e as well.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:26 PM (dciA+)

203 >>>The last time we had this sort of debate you referred me to a web page about English verb tenses and it was actually illustrative of exactly the sort of thing I was talking about (not the gender issue, but a more general linguistic one) - this page listed a lot of the standard "tenses" for English verbs but it, interestingly, got the simplest one incorrect (as all English instruction does). It claimed that forms such as "I run" are present tense. But they aren't. "I run" has no time associated with it. The English way to describe present tense running is "I am running". "I run" is a general description of something you do, not that you are presently doing it.

"How do you get to school?"
"I run".

"What are you doing right now?"
"I'm running."

But ... people will argue until they're blue in the face that "I run" is present tense even though they can't come up with a single sentence in which it is. "I run to work" talks about HOW I get to work, not what I am doing now.

Anyway, what was the point of that? There are many aspects of language - our language, even - that are "well accepted" that are just, plain incorrect. So, I have the temerity to say that some of these long-accep[ted notions are incorrect. Well ... that's me. What can I say.

...

this is an interesting point.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:27 PM (dciA+)

204 >>>You have the luxury that you can laugh at me for claiming that "I run" isn't present tense, even though every single book on English says that it is, but I have looked at the issue and come to my own conclusion. But I do listen. I am open to a single counter-example that uses "I run" in an actual present tense meaning in a sentence. I just haven't run into one, yet.

...

no you're right on this point (and I don't remember you making this point before -- not saying you didn't, I just don't remember it).

but yes you're right, now that I think about it. "I run" WAS the present tense, in 1500 AD or so, but then in modern english our language got stuffed full of the present progressive tense (I am running) and the empatic (I do run, do you run?)

still, if i were writing a book in the present tense -- something people do on occasion -- I would in fact say "I run to the door. The shot pecks at the wooden frame. I dive through."

This would be the present tense. But you're right, we generally don't speak that way now.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:30 PM (dciA+)

205 Just started getting Notes from the Color guy for tonight's game. I am playing it straight until we're actually streaming. Can't wait to see his face when I start April Fools-ing my commentary. Poor bastard, he's not going to know what the hell to say.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2016 05:32 PM (2cS/G)

206 He's just trolling the whole world now.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 01, 2016 05:22 PM (0cMkb)

That's so sad it will probably be true.

Obama might roll out with the dope smokers on Pennsylvania Ave tomorrow.

Posted by: Golfman at April 01, 2016 05:32 PM (48QDY)

207 this is an interesting point.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:27 PM (dciA+)

Thanks. I don't make these arguments just to be obstinate. I have usually given them quite a bit of thought. It doesn't guarantee that I'm correct, obviously, but I have often had these debates many, many times before with other people. Most of my language arguments I came to while I was learning Hebrew, since I had problems "thinking in Hebrew" and was making many comparisons to, and analyses in, English to help myself along, which helped to really illuminate a lot of the "unusual" aspects of English for me.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 05:33 PM (zc3Db)

208 Maybe if the Europeans hadn't spent the summer of 2008 fellating this worthless bastard, we wouldn't be saddled with him now. Sorry you got what you wanted, idiots.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 01, 2016 05:34 PM (UtylZ)

209 still, grammatically, I run is the present tense. "I am running" is the present progressive.

The progressive stresses what you are in the process of doing right at this moment, which I guess has supplanted the simple present in spoken communication as far as frequency of use.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:36 PM (dciA+)

210 (and I don't remember you making this point before -- not saying you didn't, I just don't remember it).

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:30 PM (dciA+)

I didn't make it before. We were busy on a different part of the English tense debate at that time, more to do with English's open-ended method of tense formation versus other languages' use of actual verbal conjugation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 05:37 PM (zc3Db)

211 the spoken lanaguage differs from the written one. in french, the present perfect has displaced the simple past in spoken communication = "je l'ai lu" = I read it, though it actually means "I HAVE read it." the simple past would be something like Je le lis.

Je le lis, the simple past, appears in written stuff but it has been 98% displaced and replaced by the present perfect when speaking.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:38 PM (dciA+)

212 I don't know why this happened in English but I know about when it happened: between Middle English and Modern English, right around Shakespeare or soon before.

Suddenly the simplicity of "I run" became "I am running" and the simple word-inversion question "Runneth thou?" became "DOeth thou run?" and then "Do you run?"

and then "Do" became a necessary part of yes/no questions, which it never had been before, and the -ing progressive forms of the verb proliferated.

I don't know why, but I know it happened around Shakespeare's time, or maybe 100 years before.

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)

213 Yeah but so what. France can yak all it wants about Islamist Terrorism but it's still letting Islamist invaders into it's country.

So it's really not serious about confronting the actual threat.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 01, 2016 06:10 PM (Xo1Rt)

214 Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)

It's very interesting and I wish I had time to get into this, but I've been getting ready for shabbat dinner and have to go. I'm sure we'll come back to this topic sometime in the not-too-distant future.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 01, 2016 06:10 PM (zc3Db)

215 I'm beginning to think that "Barack" is the Arabic word for douchenozzle.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 01, 2016 06:22 PM (Sda6L)

216 people are saying "terrorisme" is masculine, but he used "elle" to refer to it.

I don't know why he did that. I thought "terrorisme" was feminine, but i see now it's actually masculine.

On the off chance that this isn't completely willowed, I heard "il" not "elle".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 01, 2016 06:32 PM (1xUj/)

217 I am Groot.

Posted by: another one who says I am Groot at April 01, 2016 06:49 PM (yOqwj)

218 What I'm worried about is, did TFG find some interesting Europeans to have dinner with?

Posted by: PJ at April 01, 2016 07:00 PM (cHuNI)

219 >>.
On the off chance that this isn't completely willowed, I heard "il" not "elle".

the elle refered to la source -- "la source du terrorisme Islamiste." La source, elle. That is the proper antecedent of "elle" here. "Du terrorisme islamiste" is a clause and isn't the antecedent, same as in english.

(Compare: The armada of ships advanced. It cut through the ocean. "It" is correct, because it refers to "the armada," not "of the ships.")

Posted by: ace at April 01, 2016 07:11 PM (dciA+)

220 obama, hear no evil, see no evil, lie like hell.

Posted by: Buffalbob at April 01, 2016 08:51 PM (8nL8o)

221 Hey Ace, "evidemment" has two "m"'s.

Posted by: grayishpanther at April 02, 2016 12:24 AM (ty9Ew)

222 Let's make no mistake, TFG is bolstered to take such fucking ridiculous stances because a sufficient number of media outlets and bureaucrats are unwilling to denounce this kind of stupidity. He's a result of, not the cause of the insanity. Can you remember the first time after 911 when we were chastised for denouncing Islamio-terrorism? I thought I was on crazy pills. Didn't take long to realize I wasn't the one taking the drugs. I was more saddened by that than the actual 911 attack because I knew that while the attack killed 3000 of our citizens, the unwillingness to fight back will eventually kill the entire nation. Not hyperbole.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2016 10:50 AM (SSeCw)

223 Ace wrote:

<i>still, if i were writing a book in the present tense -- something people
do on occasion -- I would in fact say "I run to the door. The shot
pecks at the wooden frame. I dive through."

This would be the present tense. But you're right, we generally don't speak that way now.
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On the other hand, "Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday I run to work." That's describing an action the speaker takes that has happened in the past, and will probably happen again in the future . . . but he's not doing it right this minute.

"I am running" is probably better idiomatic English, but Ace's point about a present tense narrative is correct. (Whenever I pick up a short story collection and see more than one is written in present tense, I usually put it back down. Same for a novel. Somehow it seems rather pretentious to write a story that way.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 04, 2016 01:26 PM (Y9GcA)

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