Trump: Nevermind What I Said About Punishing Women Who Get Abortions An Hour Ago. My Position Has Always Been Consistent. Reagan!

Okay then, so long as I know you're taking this Commander in Chief and Leader of the Free World thing seriously.

TRUMP FLIP-FLOPS pic.twitter.com/CvO5v77Nm5
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) March 30, 2016

In all fairness to Trump, he doesn't care about policy and isn't very smart.

Pro-life groups are piling on Trump, because, well, he tends to destroy the viability of any position he holds.

I'm pretty upset that he's clowning up the immigration issue.

Posted by: Ace at 06:11 PM

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1 He just keeps on giving.

Posted by: garrett at March 30, 2016 06:12 PM (MvFEq)

2 This was certainly necessary, but.....I'm thinking damage is already done, dude.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 30, 2016 06:14 PM (NOIQH)

3 I think it's refreshing to have a politician who doesn't even pretend to pretend he's not lying.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:14 PM (TOk1P)

4 Well, time to catch the evening news.

Posted by: HH at March 30, 2016 06:14 PM (DrCtv)

5 At least he is honest, may be stupid but he is honest. He needs some better advisers.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 30, 2016 06:14 PM (vvmPQ)

6 He's no different from Ted Cruz, except in brain size and reasoning capacity.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:15 PM (hzdiH)

7 In all fairness to Trump, he doesn't care about policy and isn't very smart.

Yeah, just like most of his supporters.

Most not all.

But too damned many.

Anyone who has spent more than an hour reading pro-life policies or views knows - knows - that it's never been the position that the female should be punished criminally. What does he read? Seriously, has he read ANY conservative policy papers on any subject?

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 06:16 PM (NKEcl)

8 New dread!

Posted by: Corey Goldstein at March 30, 2016 06:16 PM (FXW24)

9 I'm very pro womb. very, very pro womb.

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at March 30, 2016 06:16 PM (MvFEq)

10 IF abortion is banned, is it not illegal to get one?

Enforcing the rule of law will cost you the election every time.

Posted by: Valiant at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (3MiF8)

11 7 Anyone who has spent more than an hour reading
pro-life policies or views knows - knows - that it's never been the
position that the female should be punished criminally. What does he
read? Seriously, has he read ANY conservative policy papers on any
subject?

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 06:16 PM (NKEcl)

He may have been thinking of the day before Roe when women in States where it was illegal WERE punished.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (vvmPQ)

12 Very sad this has turned into a Hillary for President website.

Posted by: beerologist at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (8astS)

13 AoS Blog: Fair, smart writing, not big on policy.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (lNK80)

14 Trump does a solid...as opposed to a runny thought. What a dummard.

Posted by: DanMan at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (RusNE)

15 Voting against Trump would seem to be acting against your interests, ace. You would at least 4 years of guaranteed content.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (/tuJf)

16 He's no different from Ted Cruz, except in brain size and reasoning capacity.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:15 PM (hzdiH)

Well, he's different from Ted Cruz in that he's going to be nominated for President and Ted Cruz isn't. Other than that...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (TOk1P)

17 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (GwIKd)

18 Anyone who has spent more than an hour reading pro-life policies or views knows - knows - that it's never been the position that the female should be punished criminally.

Are women agents or not?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (uURQL)

19 At least we have the comfort of knowing he changed his stated opinion because Foolish. It's not like he's a Clinton who is for sale to anyone.

Posted by: Comfortable Donald 2016! at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (bG5DZ)

20
The guy probably could have won just be saying Build the Wall as an answer to every question.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (ODxAs)

21
It's madness, isn't it?

Trumpness, if you like.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (Lw+oL)

22 And this from a guy who use to be pro abortion

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (fizMZ)

23
and my typing sucks.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 30, 2016 06:19 PM (ODxAs)

24 Who is Zeke Miller?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 30, 2016 06:19 PM (FkBIv)

25 Trump is like the weather. If you don't like what he said, wait a little while and you won't like what he says next.

Or something.

Posted by: Hank at March 30, 2016 06:19 PM (HrP/+)

26 22
And this from a guy who use to be pro abortion

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 06:18 PM (fizMZ)

And he probably still is.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 30, 2016 06:19 PM (vvmPQ)

27 >>Very sad this has turned into a Hillary for President website.
Posted by: beerologist at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (8astS)

Your concern has been noted.

Posted by: garrett at March 30, 2016 06:19 PM (MvFEq)

28 Oh sweet, we're back to abortion as an election topic. Maybe we can add gay marriage to the mix. Is Todd Akin doing anything for the next 6 months?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 30, 2016 06:20 PM (0LHZx)

29 Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia

Posted by: frank costanza at March 30, 2016 06:20 PM (DKHw0)

30 What is a cubit?

??

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 06:20 PM (GwIKd)

31 anybody else have one of those really ignant sister in law types that say whatever stupid thing pops into her airhead?

Trump's that guy.

Posted by: DanMan at March 30, 2016 06:20 PM (RusNE)

32 This post seems like it should have digital tears watermarked onto it.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:20 PM (zc3Db)

33 After the elbow-dicking that I suffered at the hands of Trump's people I may need an abortion.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 30, 2016 06:21 PM (8ZskC)

34 You know, if I had a third term you wouldn't have all these problems.

Just a thought.

Posted by: President Historical First at March 30, 2016 06:21 PM (XdbLA)

35 Hey ace I'm glad you caught up to what I said about Trump months ago at cjn

Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 30, 2016 06:21 PM (tM4uk)

36 Yeah bitches!!

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at March 30, 2016 06:21 PM (0LHZx)

37
To be fair, George Bush, concerned Christian president, was full of shit on abortion, too. But at least his lies on the issue were consistent. Policies and action, not so much.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (Lw+oL)

38 Very sad this has turned into a Hillary for President website.
Posted by: beerologist at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (8astS)

Got triggered a little?

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (kkOK3)

39 I'm available. For the record: I never cut anyone's dreadlocks. I did clip Seamus' behind once.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (FXW24)

40 We have nothing to fear from Donald Trump campaigning for president.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (kXWUw)

41 This blog is toast.

Posted by: nip at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (r73Jl)

42 No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion.

So she chose to murder her own baby, and doesn't bear any responsibility for the outcome.

Being pro-life is not synonymous with thinking women can do no wrong.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (uURQL)

43 Shocked, shocked etc.

Posted by: your winnings, sir at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (rwI+c)

44 But Donald Trump knocked me to the ground.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (wZfYc)

45
I think Trump would look pretty cool if he grew some dreads out the back and left his merkin on top.

Posted by: wth at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (HgMAr)

46 After the elbow-dicking that I suffered at the hands of Trump's people I may need an abortion.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 30, 2016 06:21 PM (8ZskC)

When I make a list of dingbat dames I really want to boink, I've got a slot open for Ms. Fields. She's really grown on me.

But the list also includes Miley Cyrus, so she probably shouldn't be TOO proud... lord knows I'm not.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (TOk1P)

47 Yeah said this back in December http://cutjibnewsletter.com/2015/12/once-again-trumps-megalomania-distracts-us-from-real-concerns/

Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (tM4uk)

48
I'm available. For the record: I never cut anyone's dreadlocks. I did clip Seamus' behind once.
Posted by: Mitt Romney

You cut that one kid's blondelocks in high school!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (FkBIv)

49 I hope Michelle Fields was not caught in the middle of this vicious flip-flop.

Posted by: Tyler Mason at March 30, 2016 06:24 PM (t/2s7)

50 30 What is a cubit?

??
Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 06:20 PM (GwIKd)

About 18 inches, plus or minus a shekel.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 30, 2016 06:24 PM (wZfYc)

51
Elbow dicking -- that's something aliens would do to get pregnant, isnt it??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 06:24 PM (iQIUe)

52 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:22 PM (uURQL)

No but it recognizes the cultural destruction.

Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 30, 2016 06:24 PM (tM4uk)

53
I think Trump would look pretty cool if he grew some dreads out the back and left his merkin on top.
Posted by: wth

Dreadmullet?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 30, 2016 06:25 PM (FkBIv)

54 Well, he's different from Ted Cruz in that he's going to be nominated for President and Ted Cruz isn't. Other than that...

Posted by: BurtTC

Well I suggest he get to 1237 the way he's imploding.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:25 PM (hzdiH)

55 I'm available. For the record: I never cut anyone's dreadlocks. I did clip Seamus' behind once.
Posted by: Mitt Romney

You cut that one kid's blondelocks in high school!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 30, 2016 06:23 PM (FkBIv)

If Romney were to shave dreadlock boy and girl from the previous thread on live TV, I would rethink opposing his nomination through convention shenanigans.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:25 PM (uURQL)

56 Donnie Jr. was out defending the original remarks before dad threw him under the bus.

Posted by: duke at March 30, 2016 06:25 PM (EQNFN)

57 yawn.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (AkOaV)

58 What a nimrod. Thought I might try to bring that word back. What do you think?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (CNHr1)

59 >>>This post seems like it should have digital tears watermarked onto it.

i don't know, i hear a lot of crying from Trump people protesting that people dare to report Orange Julius Caesar's words and positions.

Don't you want his words and positions reported?

Is there something wrong with his words and positions? He has a good brain, he makes very strong words with his mouth.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (dciA+)

60
0 fer 3 today, eh Donald?

Posted by: zombie Babe Ruth at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (HgMAr)

61 We are so fucking boned.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (rwI+c)

62
Trump has pretty much mucked up every single issue. He doesn't know which lie to tell or when or to whom. Abortion. Illegal immigration. Health care. Trade. These issues, to Donald Trump, mean very very little.

Trump is still no less principled than any other politician.

So let's not be all Kay Hagan Corleones here.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (Lw+oL)

63 Hillary is going to be president. Trump does not stand a chance. So if the ship is sinking, I'd rather the band play something I like (Cruz) than "who let the dogs out" (Trump).

Posted by: wooga at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (litLv)

64 Well, he's different from Ted Cruz in that he's going to be nominated for President and Ted Cruz isn't. Other than that...

Posted by: BurtTC

Well I suggest he get to 1237 the way he's imploding.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:25 PM (hzdiH)

He's been imploding on pretty much the same trajectory for about 8 months.

Wishful thinking by many isn't going to keep him from his appointed 1237. Gope shenanigans might, but this nonsense? No.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (TOk1P)

65 I wonder how much the Trump ~~campaign~~ sales pitch is coasting on a preemptive form of Buyers Stockholm Syndrome at this point.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (0q2P7)

66 so regale me with the stories about how Trump is going to totally destroy hillary clinton and stuff

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (dciA+)

67 These mind-pictures make my eyes rain.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (rwI+c)

68
Trump's best tack to take right now is to grow mutton chops.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:28 PM (Lw+oL)

69 Lead story on CBS News I hear from the other room.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:28 PM (rwI+c)

70 Words to live by: Think BEFORE you speak.

Posted by: huerfano at March 30, 2016 06:28 PM (NSb9d)

71 >>Trump's best tack to take right now is to grow mutton chops.

I don't think growing hair is one of The Donald's strong suits.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (/tuJf)

72 Pillage then burn.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (rwI+c)

73 58 What a nimrod. Thought I might try to bring that word back. What do you think?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (CNHr1)

I like it. It's always been one of my favorites. I'll even let you use it on the book thread.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (wZfYc)

74 Very sad this has turned into a Hillary for President website.
Posted by: beerologist at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (8astS)

Point on the doll where Michelle Fields touched you please.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (kkOK3)

75 12 Very sad this has turned into a Hillary for President website.
Posted by: beerologist at March 30, 2016 06:17 PM (8astS)

Really? Look, I like what Trump started to bring to the debate. Really did. He managed to put the GOP elites into a very uncomfortable spot. Loved it.

BUT, and this is a YUGE BUT, he has no real policy. I like the vision "Make America Great Again". But how? Saying it doesn't make it true.

Backtracking on comments you made mere hours ago does not make you look presidential. Especially when touching a third rail topic such as abortion.

For AOSHQ pointing this out to people does not make them a pro-Hillary For President site. If we aren't careful on who we put into the oval office, it will not be IF the USA burns, but how fast. And IMHO - either Shillary or Trump will burn have it burning like an inferno in record time.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (jxbfJ)

76
We are so fucking ~~boned~~ trumped.

I trumped it for you.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (Lw+oL)

77 said Jeanne Mancini, President of the March for Life Education and Defense Fund. "Being pro-life means wanting what is best for the mother and the baby. Women who choose abortion often do so in desperation and then deeply regret such a decision. No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion."

Well, that's totally retarded. If abortion were illegal (in some state, say) then all those participating in one - including the mother - are breaking a law and to be held liable for criminal charges.

Pro-lifers are fighting for the life of the fetus, not the mother. The mother has her life, already. She doesn't need anyone to fight for her right to live. The fetus is the one whose life is at stake.

Some people are making total dipshits of themselves in trying to rail against Trump. Trump's statement that mothers who try abortions would be liable is absolutely true. The idea that a mother can try to kill her baby - against the law - and is totally free to do so just says that such a law is a total joke.

I think these Trump-haters are going to start popping off from heart attacks, soon. They are really getting themselves so wound up ... WTFFF? Nutcases.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (zc3Db)

78 >>>
Wishful thinking by many isn't going to keep him from his appointed 1237. Gope shenanigans might, but this nonsense? No.

how is this nonsense? wasn't it the hope of Trump's secularist supporters that he'd romp in the election because he'd dump the vote-losing abortion issue?

Now it turns out he's taking a more extreme position than pro-lifers are comfortable with.

So how is this nonsense -- except in the sense it hurts a candidate you like?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (dciA+)

79 I changed my mind; The guys aren't going to get shirts, either.

Get over it, losers!

Posted by: Donald! J! Trump! As! Seen! On! TV! at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (XdbLA)

80 Trump's problem is that he has no core set of principles, and he likes to talk and tweet a lot resulting in inconsistencies, insults and insanity.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (hzdiH)

81 Nimrod. Wood wise and clever hunter. So there ya have it

Posted by: NativeNH at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (+k6Wu)

82 72 Pillage then burn.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:29 PM (rwI+c)

Reaches for popcorn, finds none. Grabs bag of chips and opens cooler of home brewed beer. Leans back to enjoy the show.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (jxbfJ)

83 But Ace, Trump is the vessel who contains all our hopes and dreams. If we were to admit to ourselves that Donald Trump doesn't think a lot about the things that he says or about the unintended consequences of the things that he proposes to do, our lives would be bereft of meaning and we would be sad.

Ace, why do you want us to be sad? Have we displeased you? Have we disappointed you the way we disappointed Obama?

If we have to think instead of just echoing campaign talking points and fanboy cheerleader slogans, it makes our heads hurt. You don't want our heads to hurt, do you?

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (MpvuV)

84 Cortana was sure to alert me that;

"Trump: Women should be punished for abortions"

So the 15 other window phone users have already got the narrative dropped on em.

Posted by: Cashin at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (oMvWW)

85 Trump steps on weiner again.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (FXW24)

86 I was a flippin and a floppin
A hemmin and a hawin
Backin and a trackin
Spinnin and a grinnin...

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (+eR2D)

87 70 Words to live by: Think BEFORE you speak.

Not good words. Base idea. Loser!

Posted by: Trump at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (litLv)

88 Anyone who has spent more than an hour reading pro-life policies or
views knows - knows - that it's never been the position that the female
should be punished criminally.
---
Huh?

How is that different from any other murder for hire scheme?

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (ZbV+0)

89 It's OK. Not voting for Trump doesn't mean you support the Establishment.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (0q2P7)

90 I was just thinking - what is Turnip up to this minute?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (A/3fN)

91 So a woman wanting to have a abortion, has one by a doctor or other medical person and the woman wanting the abortion is a victim. WTF.

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (fizMZ)

92
What a nimrod. Thought I might try to bring that word back. What do you think?
Posted by: Jewells45 at March 30, 2016 06:26 PM (CNHr1)
...................

Might come in handy this year especially when the little ones are around.
Like now I say "Good Grief!" instead of the usual obscenity.

Posted by: wth at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (HgMAr)

93 Posted by: Cashin at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (oMvW

You me and 14 others. But it's first in NBC nightly news

Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (tM4uk)

94 Three no Trump.

Posted by: Jim Bridger at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (FkBIv)

95
/looks at the last slice of pizza in the box

Are you gonna trump that?

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:32 PM (Lw+oL)

96 My willowed comment from the last primary thread.

I have a new political theory. Its probably very old but I had not heard it before. I call it the Monty Hall theory. On Monty Hall with the choice of 3 doors contestants very rarely would switch from their initial choice when Monty opened one of the dud doors, but statistically they should have switched to increase their chances of winning from 1/3 to 1/2.

In politics once people have decided they like or in some cases dislike politician A, they cling to that choice. All politicians use this to try to appeal to "base" voters in primary and then win over the LIV crowd in the general, trusting that folks that voted for them in the primary are very very unlikely to switch sides come November.

This year I'm seeing politicians banking quite early that the folks that decided they like them are not going to change their minds regardless of what information comes out. Hillary with the classified emails for instance. Her voters are not going to be steered away from her just because she sold state secrets (yeah I know they have not released any hard evidence of that, but *I* think she did this as well as the pay to play stuff as Sec. of State)

And this dislike effect holds true also. If a primary is enough of a shouting match a party member can be so turned off of a candidate that they will not come back for the general but will leave that race blank, or vote a third party. Some will come around with a lesser of evils, some will not.

I'm an engineer and I'd like the world to be more rational but I know this won't happen. Sometimes I observe my own self acting irrationally and note it but follow my emotions anyway.

Posted by: Palerider at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (dkExz)

97 How is that different from any other murder for hire scheme?
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 06:31 PM (ZbV+0)

Women are sweet flowers of innocent virtue.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (uURQL)

98 >> regale me with the stories about how Trump is going to totally destroy hillary clinton and stuff

Deals. Amazing Deals. You won't believe.

Posted by: garrett at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (MvFEq)

99 What is that idiot Trump's position for Lesbians that want abortions? Trump obviously hates persons of color too !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (KRuzk)

100 Cruz is the only answer, and the GOPe can't see it. They are going to hand America over to hellary.

Posted by: Eromero at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (zLDYs)

101 90 - Join his twitter following, supposedly the tweets more than just about anyone else.

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (fizMZ)

102 So how is this nonsense -- except in the sense it hurts a candidate you like?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (dciA+)

I don't like the guy. I just think it's silly you keep talking about all the outrageous stuff he does, when nobody cares how outrageous he gets.

I'll even go one better, there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people voting for him, who DON'T CARE if he loses to Hillory.

Gope left voters with no choice but to give them the middle finger. As people have been saying for months now, Trump IS that middle finger.

How he performs as a candidate is not the point. It was never the point.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (TOk1P)

103 Cruz is the only answer, and the GOPe can't see it. They are going to hand America over to hellary.

Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven - GOPe

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:34 PM (rwI+c)

104 Guys, we are so screwed, everybody better get used to saying President Clinton.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 30, 2016 06:34 PM (egOGm)

105 Trump is a yyyuuuge garbage fire...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 30, 2016 06:34 PM (u0kqM)

106 TRUMP / AKIN 2016

"if it's rape rape you have nothing to worry about"

Posted by: ed gibbon at March 30, 2016 06:34 PM (vRNwc)

107 BBL. Stephen Hawking's prosthetics guy is hooking me up with a new ride.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 30, 2016 06:35 PM (c7vUv)

108 He's one of the best salesmen in the world. It's OK you liked his pitch. Make a choice you will be proud to tell your grandkids about no matter how things turn out.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 30, 2016 06:35 PM (0q2P7)

109 I think Trump just Todd Akin'd himself. Was it intentional on his part?

Posted by: Serenity Now! at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (q++2h)

110 If not Trump then who

If not who, then what?

It won't make any difference.
All roads lead to Rome, and we're going there in a Handbasket.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (kXWUw)

111 remember when we all used to be friends and have fun "talk like Trump on Twitter" threads?

Those were the days.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (AkOaV)

112 Trump is a scabby middle finger with a slimy drippy booger on it. I prefer Cruz's

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (6FqZa)

113 What part of 'the woman who aborts her kid also killed her kid' is the hard part of the thought process?

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (GwIKd)

114 The more I hear, the more I'm convinced that the candidacy of Donald J. Trump is being masterminded by a five year old with ADD, playing with a box of Scattergories.

Posted by: M. Scott Eiland at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (p11g/)

115 I don't understand Trump here. Another unforced error. I thought he didn't care about abortion. He got through the Southern primaries fine and still split the Evangelical vote with Cruz, so I don't understand this.

If you read the whole transcript Trump tried to play Chris Matthews but it got played back on Trump.

On his website Cruz says that Congress can end run Roe by enacting a law to declare a fetus to be a person. That's asking for trouble in the general. Sorry but true. It'll also get Cruz borked if he ever goes for SCOTUS.

Once again, get ready for Romney.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (r1fLd)

116
Make a choice you will be proud to tell your grandkids about no matter how things turn out.

I took the ballot and wiped my ass with it?

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (Lw+oL)

117 What part of 'the woman who aborts her kid also killed her kid' is the hard part of the thought process?
Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (GwIKd)

Sweet flower of innocent virtue.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (uURQL)

118 Trump last night: "Excuse me. Believe me. Excuse me. Believe me. Excuse, excuse, excuse. Believe, believe, believe. Me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me, me..."

He's quite mad, you know.

Posted by: Bond. James Bond at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (Ndje9)

119 >>He's one of the best salesmen in the world

No, he's really not. He has a long history of overpaying for assets and having projects go belly up.

Give me $200 million in the '70s and I would have made more money than Trump by just investing it.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (/tuJf)

120 "How he performs as a candidate is not the point. It was never the point."

??

I don't understand that position. You do realize that if Trump wins the nomination (which is becoming a bigger if by the Trump tweet), he will likely lose badly to Hillary -- which will in turn give those GOPeers that you hate so much a giant case of the "I told you sos".

Posted by: nc at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (/KrYu)

121 Why not just change the stooped constitution thing written by racists whio did not care for persons of color to allow presdent Oboma to be presdent for another 3 years? Why you people so stooped????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (KRuzk)

122 Trump's problem is that he has no core set of
principles, and he likes to talk and tweet a lot resulting in
inconsistencies, insults and insanity.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:30 PM (hzdiH)

Nah, that's not his problem. In fact, I think if you ask him he'd tell you he doesn't have a problem.

It might be YOUR problem that he has no principles, but I don't believe it's his.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (TOk1P)

123 Anymore of the Black Lives Matters gumps show up and ruin my speech, I'm gonna open up the idea; second look at slavery in US?

Could be great! Some downside. Why not?

Posted by: Donald! J! Trump! As! Seen! On! TV! at March 30, 2016 06:38 PM (XdbLA)

124 I don't understand Trump here. Another unforced error. I thought he didn't care about abortion. He got through the Southern primaries fine and still split the Evangelical vote with Cruz, so I don't understand this.

The debate has turned from, OMG, Trump loves PP and abortion to ...

OMG, Trump is more extremist than the pro-life extremists.

That is pretty amusing. Are you not entertained?!

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:38 PM (uURQL)

125 Or manatees. Definitely manatees.

Posted by: M. Scott Eiland at March 30, 2016 06:38 PM (p11g/)

126 remember when we all used to be friends and have fun "talk like Trump on Twitter" threads?

Those were the days.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (AkOaV)

Gotta go back to Zombie's rubber dong thread for that.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:38 PM (kkOK3)

127
Trumpholes

Rusty Trumpone

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:38 PM (Lw+oL)

128 Mr. Trump has appropriated our culture.

Posted by: Buffoons at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (ppaKI)

129 If you were as concerned about Ted Cruz being introduced by a preacher in November yelling "EXECUTE THE GAYS, I WILL GO TO JAILLLLLL!!!!" I might really feel you on this electability stuff.

Posted by: Mega at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (JwLCI)

130 >>>No, he's really not. He has a long history of overpaying for assets and having projects go belly up.

I didn't say "best businessman"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (0q2P7)

131 Give me $200 million in the '70s and I would have made more money than Trump by just investing it.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (/tuJf)

Give me $200 million in the '70s, and I would have thrown the biggest, greatest, most amazingly world class coke-fueled stripper party. Then probably died.

Which is why no one would give me $200 million ever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (AkOaV)

132 Rip their arms off!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (0mRoj)

133 106

That's why I read the comments

Posted by: Cashin at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (oMvWW)

134 so i'm breaking a promise to myself here;

So Trump is an idiot, this we already know.

But who are the Liars? GOP ,funded PP?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (L1+sh)

135 CBS News and CNN both lead off with the latest Trump stuff followed with NC not allowing tranny's using women's bathrooms or something.

LiB is real time, Yo!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (NGd+i)

136 which will in turn give those GOPeers that you hate so much a giant case of the "I told you sos".

They've sold failure theater for decades. They can play "I told you so" all they want, they've already burned the bridge.

Die, GOPe.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (uURQL)

137 >>I don't understand that position. You do realize that if Trump wins the nomination (which is becoming a bigger if by the Trump tweet), he will likely lose badly to Hillary -- which will in turn give those GOPeers that you hate so much a giant case of the "I told you sos".

You don't understand it because it makes zero sense. Yea, nominate Trump so Hillary can crush him and then we will get the Republic back.

Super plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (/tuJf)

138
??

I don't understand that position. You do realize that if Trump wins
the nomination (which is becoming a bigger if by the Trump tweet), he
will likely lose badly to Hillary -- which will in turn give those
GOPeers that you hate so much a giant case of the "I told you sos".

Posted by: nc at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (/KrYu)

Don't make the mistake in thinking that this is MY position. It's not. I'm merely reporting. That's what is happening.

People don't care. How could anyone interpret this any other way. They don't damn care. The fact that he's getting millions of votes is all the proof you need.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (TOk1P)

139 Yeah, anytime I hear a modern-day politician popping off with a reference to Ronald Reagan, I know he's yanking my dork.

Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan. Yeah, baby!

Posted by: Fritz at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (+E2Y7)

140 BurtTC But the list also includes Miley Cyrus, so she probably shouldn't be TOO proud... lord knows I'm not.

-------

And Hillary circa 2000. But not for the same reasons. More for the: Roll off her and look into her eyes. Those eyes say "for the last 3 minutes I really wasn't ta gay. I have nothing to say for once. Except I need a smoke. And I hope he doesn't leave."

And then I leave.

----

Did I say that out loud?

Posted by: Brian_AL at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (V2QDI)

141 Moral of the story: If you want to hire a hit man - hire a woman. Apparently, they can never be held responsible for their actions. Yeah, I know there's a law in place, but it kinda sorta doesn't really apply to girlzz...

Kinda like that black girl assaulting the white dread dude in the other post that most of you are probably freakin about. Apply the law how?

So you want it both ways?

Posted by: FredB at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (mkgf1)

142 Jackstraw,
There is an old saying that goes something like this. Money always makes money.
You have to be really stupid to mess up.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (egOGm)

143 who is actually defending the cause?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (L1+sh)

144 Why you people so stooped????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (KRuzk)
--------It's because we're doubled over laughing at your prattle, Mary. Bless your heart, you're just so precious.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (9iR5/)

145 Posted by: Mega at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (JwLCI)

It's ok Michelle touched me too, but I liked it.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (kkOK3)

146 Dunno, ace, I'm way past upset that it would even be possible to "clown up" an issue as simple, concrete, and obvious as mass illegal immigration. Disastrous, wrong, unfair, very unpopular - and something on which the "opposition" party cannot even be bothered to deal with (unless one counts repeated attempts to cram it down the nation's throat, or failure theater at North Korean farce levels).

Or perhaps one should be far more than upset that Hillary can even remain a candidate for any public office, given that she's stupid, corrupt and psycho beyond description, and a spectacular failure with multiple policy catastrophes and blood on her hands.

Embarrassed by Trump? Have you been husbanding your shame and disgust reserves, even through the national self-degradation of 2008-today?

Not disagreeing. Just not understanding.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (QDnY+)

147 Hannity's got some more 'splainin' to do!

What he really meant, was, (tune into his show to find out!)

Posted by: Theresa D., the FAB one at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (MeXxt)

148 Has he shot a man live on tv yet?

Posted by: @votermom at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (nbrY/)

149 Moral of the story: If you want to hire a hit man - hire a woman. Apparently, they can never be held responsible for their actions. Yeah, I know there's a law in place, but it kinda sorta doesn't really apply to girlzz...

As long as the target doesn't need to be dead-dead.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (uURQL)

150 He's just practicing some material for usage against Hillary in the debates. The ones where he'll just destroy here.

Y'know things like, "You're a liar, liar, fat, cankles, lesbian, liar, Bill's a rapist....

And then he'll counter that with substance like how he'll send woman to jail for having an abortion.

That's the way he's going to win the White House. The women will just go nuts over him.

Swell, just swell.

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (NKEcl)

151
No one knows the reference of my nick?

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (Lw+oL)

152 So Trump is an idiot, this we already know.

But who are the Liars? GOP ,funded PP?
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (L1+sh)

Bolth?

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (kkOK3)

153 133 Rip their arms off!

Watch out! Thats cultural appropriation of the Canadian Royal weddings!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (NGd+i)

154 Trumptards have so much of their ego invested in their original dumb decision to support this huckster, they are unable to reconsider. Dullards have always been highly susceptible to the sunk cost fallacy.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 30, 2016 06:39 PM (1RNgT)

LOL. That's just brilliant. Did you think that up all by yourself?

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (zc3Db)

155 I don't understand that position. You do realize that if Trump wins the
nomination (which is becoming a bigger if by the Trump tweet), he will
likely lose badly to Hillary -- which will in turn give those GOPeers
that you hate so much a giant case of the "I told you sos".
---
Which will widen the rift between the gope and the real people that they expect to vote for them. And it won't matter anyway, as the gope is committed to doing whatever the CoC tells them and the democrats to do, which is invariably destructive to the people of the nation, which means there will be more, and angrier, voters looking for the next iteration of Trump in 2020.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (ZbV+0)

156 I don't understand that position. You do realize
that if Trump wins the nomination (which is becoming a bigger if by the
Trump tweet), he will likely lose badly to Hillary -- which will in turn
give those GOPeers that you hate so much a giant case of the "I told
you sos".

Posted by: nc at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (/KrYu)

So you think we'll just hang our heads and begin walking back to the vote plantation? You think we'll say 'danged ole establishment was right I'll never go astray again'? This is a rift that won't ever heal, in my opinion. It will only grow worse each election cycle.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (flJ92)

157 He's quite mad, you know.

Up to now I thought this was a Bloom County quote.
http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1981/05/14

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (6FqZa)

158 I swear to God, I have no idea who any of this garfoolenurky could possible benefit.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (XdbLA)

159 Whatev..

Posted by: Trumpnado at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (gxIP7)

160 Rip their arms off!
--------------------
Watch out! Thats cultural appropriation of the Canadian Royal weddings!!
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (NGd+i)

HHGRRRRRRR

Posted by: Chewbacca at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (uURQL)

161 Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (Lw+oL)

Meh, Savage reached his expiration date awhile ago.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (kkOK3)

162 Money always makes money.

Negative interest rates, inflation, and taxes.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (kXWUw)

163 Nobody loves the fetuses more than me. When I am President I will build a womb around every chick's vejayjay so as to keep out anything from taking out those fetuses.

We will have exceptions of course. You gotta have exceptions. I mean people with beautiful hands like mine may need to inspect the territory from time to time if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Tronald Dumpster-Fire at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (/KrYu)

164 FFS people.

The man is flexible.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (fiGNd)

165 Draki , unfortunately yes, and this is where we are defending louses, liars and schmucks .

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:44 PM (L1+sh)

166 and my restrictions on abortion stance coming not from any 'life begins at conception' side but from the women's health side. If a women takes a 'day after' pill she is not likely to have regrets over preventing something that was only a possibility. If she takes RU-486 or an improved drug after missing a period she may not have even been pregnant so any later in life regrets shouldn't be too hard to cope with. If she gets an early abortion in the spirit of original RoeVsWade viability cut-off she can think that the fetus might have mis-carried anyway.

What defense against tearing regrets can she have for a late term abortion when she is looking at some friend's or nieces etc ultrasound and seeing a tiny baby in the womb at the 15 weeks or older stage?

Posted by: Palerider at March 30, 2016 06:44 PM (dkExz)

167 You don't understand it because it makes zero sense. Yea, nominate Trump so Hillary can crush him and then we will get the Republic back.

Super plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:40 PM (/tuJf)

That's not why people are supporting Trump. That's merely what Burt thinks about Trump's support, which is worth a little less than what you paid him for it.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:44 PM (zc3Db)

168 Gristle Encased Head, i thought sweeping pejoratives were out these days?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:45 PM (L1+sh)

169 A while back, Ace was Trump curious.
Then he saw the horrible truth.
Just like when the IRA guy pulled off the tranny's pants in "The Cryinng Game".

Posted by: wooga at March 30, 2016 06:45 PM (litLv)

170 there will be more, and angrier, voters looking for the next iteration of Trump in 2020.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (ZbV+0)

This is what they don't get. Trump isn't a man, Trump is a brand. You may have defeated this, flawed Trump, but wait till you see the next one. lol

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:45 PM (flJ92)

171
The more I hear, the more I'm convinced that the candidacy of Donald J. Trump is being masterminded by a five year old with ADD, playing with a box of Scattergories.
Posted by: M. Scott Eiland at March 30, 2016 06:37 PM (p11g/)
............................

I knew a few of these kids when they made third grade, so I guess nimrod fits.

Posted by: wth at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (HgMAr)

172
Meh, Savage reached his expiration date awhile ago.

If you're referring to Michael Savage, he was the originator of the phrase, as far as I know.

Joe Bob Briggs was. He uses the term to (comically) justify the T-n-A in the films he reviews.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (Lw+oL)

173 Lets face it, Trump has duped a lot of people this election season, especially those pissed off at the GOP.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (hzdiH)

174 I must echo the sentiment that if Mitt Romney were to forcibly shave the dreadlocks from the SFSU leftists, I wouldhave recoreconsider my opposition to GOPe shenanigans making him the nominee at the convention.

To be honest, though, I would prefer if Chuck Norris did the whole head shave and then shenanigans nomination thing.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (MpvuV)

175 Trump isn't winning anything until 1237 delegates vote for him, good luck with that.

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (fizMZ)

176 162 Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (Lw+oL)

Meh, Savage reached his expiration date awhile ago.
Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:43 PM (kkOK3)

IIRC it was "psychological nudity."

Posted by: Insomniac at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (0mRoj)

177 Wharrgarbl!

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (MvFEq)

178 There is also a farming old quote. If you want to make a million in farming, start with ten.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (egOGm)

179 Lets face it, Trump has duped a lot of people this election season, especially those pissed off at the GOP.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (hzdiH)

How has he duped those pissed off at the GOP? As the field is sweeped of the GOPe candidates, and they're desperately looking for a magic bullet to STOPTRUMP?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (uURQL)

180
IIRC it was "psychological nudity."

You're even more right!

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (Lw+oL)

181 This is what they don't get. Trump isn't a man,
Trump is a brand. You may have defeated this, flawed Trump, but wait
till you see the next one. lol

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:45 PM (flJ92)

I'll go so far as to make a bold prediction. The next Trump will be Cruz. Cruz will be denied in a brokered convention, and Hillary will win. Cruz seeing what Trump did right and wrong, because he's not stupid, will become the next Dread Pirate Roberts, I mean Trump, in four years.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (flJ92)

182 nevermind, i'm gong back to the promise i made to myself.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (L1+sh)

183 He who has never mouth breathed ... cast the first stone.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (fiGNd)

184 Which will widen the rift between the gope and the
real people that they expect to vote for them. And it won't matter
anyway, as the gope is committed to doing whatever the CoC tells them
and the democrats to do, which is invariably destructive to the people
of the nation, which means there will be more, and angrier, voters
looking for the next iteration of Trump in 2020.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (ZbV+0)

I keep wondering who the 2020 Republican nominee will be. The first name that pops into my head is Carrottop, but really, is America ready for TWO weirdo redheads nominated by the same Party two elections in a row?

Then I wonder about that guy who used to do all the crazy stunts... Super Dave Osborne? But I think that was just a character. What about the guy who had the tv show with the midget who did stunts? But didn't he die?

I don't know...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (TOk1P)

185

Comical on so many levels. He's the transparent Obama.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (mdo39)

186 As God is my witness...

I thought turkeys could fly.

Posted by: Arthur Carlson Fed Bad Information at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (mkgf1)

187 "eh, maybe your fellow travelers should lighten up on the casual defamation if they wish to be treated with respect."

As a non-traveler of anyone's in this, but a huge fan of ace and the blog (and the commenters), just thought these words from the Boss bore repeating.

Then again, we'll need the panel's ruling on whether "dullards" counts as "casual defamation".

Posted by: rhomboid at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

188 I still wouldn't my girls to be punished by having a baby.

Posted by: B Hussein at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (KoWnw)

189 What about the guy who had the tv show with the midget who did stunts? But didn't he die?

I don't know...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (TOk1P)

Johnny Knoxville. That's who I was thinking of.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (TOk1P)

190 His clarification was even better as now the collective Heads of the RNC & DNC tribalists will really Explode...

Posted by: zzBottom at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (aHUpC)

191 schmucks .
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:44 PM (L1+sh)

Which schmucks we defending? I've never defended Trump. Granted I gave more grief about Mario and Jeb!

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (kkOK3)

192
Hannity's got some more 'splainin' to do!

What he really meant, was, (tune into his show to find out!)
Posted by: Theresa D., the FAB one at March 30, 2016 06:41 PM (MeXxt)
.......................

and he'll put on his broken record for you. Then play it again tomorrow. And Friday.

Posted by: wth at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (HgMAr)

193 This is only an issue because unborn fetuses are working for the Establishment in utero to try and destroy Trump's image.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (zD9Yp)

194 >>That's not why people are supporting Trump. That's merely what Burt thinks about Trump's support, which is worth a little less than what you paid him for it.

Yea, because no other Trump supporter has taken this position.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (/tuJf)

195 If you're referring to Michael Savage, he was the originator of the phrase, as far as I know.

Joe Bob Briggs was. He uses the term to (comically) justify the T-n-A in the films he reviews.

Posted by: intellectual nudity at March 30, 2016 06:46 PM (Lw+oL)

pretty sure its psychological nudity

Posted by: Doom Rider at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (0LQ4f)

196 One man's dullard is another man's party faithful.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (kXWUw)

197 I'll go so far as to make a bold prediction. The next Trump will be Cruz. Cruz will be denied in a brokered convention, and Hillary will win. Cruz seeing what Trump did right and wrong, because he's not stupid, will become the next Dread Pirate Roberts, I mean Trump, in four years.
Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:47 PM (flJ92)

Disagree. I'm convinced the adultery scandal reflects something under the surface, which indicates Cruz is compromised, and worthless as an Evangelical candidate.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (uURQL)

198 >>>Trumptards have so much of their ego invested in their original dumb decision to support this huckster, they are unable to reconsider. Dullards have always been highly susceptible to the sunk cost fallacy.

dude, for the last time: The next time you do this, you're banned.

I've fucking had it. No matter how many times I warn you, you insist that the warning does not apply to you.

Next time.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (dciA+)

199 Well, at least I can stop paying attention to politics again now. This whole cycle is like a sick joke on us. Every candidate sucks so bad.

Posted by: Mega at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (JwLCI)

200 Trump has become his own worst enemy.

But Cruz has never been electable in the general. It's nearly impossible at the moment to elect a Constitutional Conservative who's also meaningfully pro-Life. Especially when you're a creepy tool. And a lawyer.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (r1fLd)

201 How has he duped those pissed off at the GOP? As
the field is sweeped of the GOPe candidates, and they're desperately
looking for a magic bullet to STOPTRUMP?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens

???

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (hzdiH)

202 Nude Something Something.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (rwI+c)

203 How he performs as a candidate is not the point. It was never the point.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (TOk1P)

this is why cruz needs to win

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (mdo39)

204 Then again, we'll need the panel's ruling on whether "dullards" counts as "casual defamation".

Posted by: rhomboid at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

Morons, all of you.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (uURQL)

205 I disagree, I think Mr. Trump is quite smart, he just has never had to intellectually immerse himself in an activity before to the level required, so had no concept. It's something I intuited a long time ago.

Running for office at this level has got to be like being an NFL quarterback, as far as the study and "academic" preparation involved--you can't just come out and call some plays like it is the annual family Thanksgiving touch football game in the front yard. You have got to know the plays, and the opponents, backwards and forwards. You can't wing it--Rick Perry showed that.

But I do think the man is intelligent. And of course, at some point, he takes so many positions that independent folks may not care what Dems hang on him, because they know they can't rely on Trump to stick to any one thing for long. He'll change, and tell you he was always that way. And they may be okay with that, if, like the hedgehog, he gets the one big thing right. I call it the "chaff, flare" approach--shove so much crap out there that eventually none of it stands out overly much.

Final random point-given the treatment of Fields, I think you would have to be a fool to go into a private meeting with Trump, without a neutral third party.

Posted by: Horatius at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (J3UIw)

206 I am on board with the 'Trump is a terrible candidate' train, but FFS - look at what the Left is doing to stop him:

Actor-comedian Michael Ian Black has teamed up with the children's division of publisher Simon and Schuster to release "A Child's First Book of Trump," a parody children's picture book that will explore the "curious creature" that is the GOP presidential frontrunner.

They have no boundaries, no limits to what they will do, to take out a Republican or conservative boogeyman. They will attack Cruz or whoever is the GOP candidate just as hard.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (NOIQH)

207
Never heard of this guy before but the brits have a doc on him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_W%C3%A4chter

Certainly was a bad guy. They said several of his grandchildren joined militant religious groups, whatever that means.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (iQIUe)

208 Yea, because no other Trump supporter has taken this position.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (/tuJf)

Puh-leeease. Trump's main support is based on deporting illegals, ending our time as doormat to the world and the government sticking up for America's interests. That is the basis of most of his support.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:51 PM (zc3Db)

209
That's not why people are supporting Trump.
That's merely what Burt thinks about Trump's support, which is worth a
little less than what you paid him for it.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:44 PM (zc3Db)

Oh, and don't make the assumption that I'm endorsing the idea that Trump loses to Hillory. I know that's conventional wisdom amongst the hand-wringers these days, so I don't try to argue with them. I'm not entirely convinced a Trump landslide isn't possible.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:51 PM (TOk1P)

210 willow - don't retreat, stay in the game.

Well, at least the parts that seem interesting to you.

In any case, many of us hardly know when to check for new posts without you here!

Posted by: rhomboid at March 30, 2016 06:51 PM (QDnY+)

211 I hope Melania is not wearing a merkin.

Posted by: wth at March 30, 2016 06:51 PM (HgMAr)

212 Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (hzdiH)

Looking at the GOPe desperately trying to stop Trump right now, how has Trump duped those supporting him because they are pissed off at the GOPe?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:52 PM (uURQL)

213 Johnny Knoxville. That's who I was thinking of.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (TOk1P)

One of the guys from Jackass was killed in a car crash...but not Knoxville. Ryan Dunn was his name I think

Posted by: Doom Rider at March 30, 2016 06:52 PM (0LQ4f)

214 i rethought it and banned Gristle Encased Head.

he's had enough warnings.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:52 PM (dciA+)

215 The Trumptards won't care. He could literally say anything and they would come up with some sort of justification. They're in too deep now emotionally. Trump is an avatar explaining to the world why they're losers. "The fact that you didn't upgrade your skills sufficiently to compete in an ever-changing world isn't the problem! Jose along with Chinese trade practices are why you lost 'your' job!"

Posted by: Naes at March 30, 2016 06:52 PM (Ypc8j)

216 Day 1 ...

... the Trump/Cruz War begins. Trump promises a yuge, luxurious wall. Cruz counters with literal Heaven on Earth. We march into the breech, singing songs of victory, confident of better days ahead.

Posted by: ScoggDog's Diary at March 30, 2016 06:53 PM (fiGNd)

217 How he performs as a candidate is not the point. It was never the point.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:33 PM (TOk1P)

this is why cruz needs to win

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 30, 2016 06:50 PM (mdo39)

Cruz was never going to win. He always had 0% chance of winning. Trump made him the second place finisher by turning Gope around in circles. Without Trump, we'd have nominee Jeb! or Mario right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:53 PM (TOk1P)

218
I Disagree. I'm convinced the adultery scandal
reflects something under the surface, which indicates Cruz is
compromised, and worthless as an Evangelical candidate.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (uURQL)

I don't see where our views are mutually exclusive. Trump won a lot of evangelicals, and he was comically hypocritical on the issue.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:53 PM (flJ92)

219 "What part of 'the woman who aborts her kid also killed her kid' is the hard part of the thought process?

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (GwIKd) "

Abortion is currently legal. If you'd like it to be illegal again (and I certainly would - or, at the very least, let each state decide on its own policy), you have to convince people. Throwing women in jail for having abortions, however internally logical (they are the primary actor in an abortion, not the doctor), is not a winning argument.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 06:54 PM (4/i9Y)

220 Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:49 PM (dciA+)

Think I'm gonna cool my jets. I hope I didn't miss any warnings.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 06:54 PM (kkOK3)

221 Look I love the women. No one loves the women more than me. Ask my ex-wives and the other women I have banged. I don't want to have to punish the women (well except maybe Megyn Kelly, that Cruz woman, Rosie O'Donnell, that woman who was attacking me with a pen, Carly Fiorina and the ugly ones).

But hey lets face it, if the women are allowed to abort the fetuses they could be aborting other younger future hotter women. Bad!

Posted by: Tronald Dumpster-Fire at March 30, 2016 06:55 PM (/KrYu)

222 Johnny Knoxville. That's who I was thinking of.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:48 PM (TOk1P)

One of the guys from Jackass was killed in a car crash...but not Knoxville. Ryan Dunn was his name I think

Posted by: Doom Rider at March 30, 2016 06:52 PM (0LQ4f)

So he's got a chance! Great... I'm going to start printing up my Knoxville '20 bumper stickers now. One of youse guys might want to buy up the website rights.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 06:55 PM (TOk1P)

223 And since I missed the Hateful 8 discussion I'll state that it was a waste of time, it was all talk and talk and talk. You need a good killing in the 1st 10 minutes of a western not in hour 2. The Thing nod by ace I missed, but was pretty on point, except there was a lot more action in the Thing.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:55 PM (hzdiH)

224 kudos, ace.

It's too bad. Some of the most shallow, reflexively vituperative folks during this trying time were actually some of the funnier commenters in the past. They're just as smart, but they're not bringing that to the table for this topic. Understandable, but manners.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 30, 2016 06:55 PM (QDnY+)

225 >>> He's one of the best salesmen in the world
****

Barack Obama was a better salesman in 2008 and 2012.

I'm about as interested in what Barack was selling as what Trump is selling.

Posted by: Damiano at March 30, 2016 06:55 PM (XItbt)

226 I'm not entirely convinced a Trump landslide isn't possible.

I assume this is after the nuclear explosions in eight American cities set off by ISIS agents?

The man has close to 70% negative ratings. How is he going to change that? With stuff like this? It's not like he's an unknown like Reagan was. People have seen him for years; they know who he is. We know who he is.

Things like this are what he is; he can't change. He's a walking minefield.

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 06:56 PM (NKEcl)

227 He's just messing with you now, Ace. You. Personally. He's heard about you.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 30, 2016 06:56 PM (wLLbf)

228 >>> Throwing women in jail for having abortions, however internally logical (they are the primary actor in an abortion, not the doctor), is not a winning argument.

given that something like 20-25% of women have had abortions, I think a lot of women might be a bit wary of voting for a candidate saying they should be thrown in jail -- after all, there's no statute of limitations on murder, if that's what you're saying it is.

If that's what you're saying it is, why shouldn't they take you at your word and vote for their own interest as far as not being thrown in jail?

I don't have a strong position on the claim being made here but some are either not thinking -- or are being willfully obtuse -- about the political ramifications of declaring that up to 25% of all women are now eligible for jail sentences.

Maybe if you really care about the issue, you should spend more time thinking about how to actually advance the issue, instead of just indulging in feel-good venting that spares no fetuses whatsoever?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:57 PM (dciA+)

229 I don't see where our views are mutually exclusive. Trump won a lot of
evangelicals, and he was comically hypocritical on the issue.
---
And if there does turn out to be any fire there, it will be old news, forgotten and gone by 2020.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 06:57 PM (ZbV+0)

230 Does Trump know what a Conservative is?
Seriously?

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 06:57 PM (7GQM/)

231 Day 9 ...

... the Trump/Cruz War isn't quite as glorious as I thought - but my heart still beats true. The fighting has been heated, and both men have shown flaws. But that's war - and I remain convinced that not only will our side triumph, but America will triumph as well.

Posted by: ScoggDog's Diary at March 30, 2016 06:58 PM (fiGNd)

232 >>Puh-leeease. Trump's main support is based on deporting illegals, ending our time as doormat to the world and the government sticking up for America's interests. That is the basis of most of his support.

There are numerous people who post here who have stated repeatedly that their support for Trump is based on him "blowing up the GOP" and they do not care about beating Hillary. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 06:58 PM (/tuJf)

233
221 Look I love the women. No one loves the women more than me. Ask my ex-wives and the other women I have banged. I don't want to have to punish the women (well except maybe Megyn Kelly, that Cruz woman, Rosie O'Donnell, that woman who was attacking me with a pen, Carly Fiorina and the ugly ones).

But hey lets face it, if the women are allowed to abort the fetuses they could be aborting other younger future hotter women. Bad!
Posted by: Tronald Dumpster-Fire at March 30, 2016 06:55 PM (/KrYu)

If you worked in something about winning and being treated unfairly, this would be perfect.

Posted by: Damiano at March 30, 2016 06:58 PM (XItbt)

234 Looking at the GOPe desperately trying to stop Trump
right now, how has Trump duped those supporting him because they are
pissed off at the GOPe?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens

People flocked to Trump because he spoke Truth To Power and was the opposite of the GOP Leadership. How many of the people who initially voted for him would do it again after realizing there's no there there?

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:59 PM (hzdiH)

235 Draki, not you !sorry , i shroud have finished reading after i typed. i meant all of us do defending who we want to be given the power, gop , cruz trump, etc, i didn't mean you. i meant us/we
as a collective, to the detriment of goodwill we have towards eachother.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:59 PM (L1+sh)

236 >>I'm not entirely convinced a Trump landslide isn't possible.

You seem to have misspelled dumpster fire.

Posted by: Aviator at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (c7vUv)

237 I assume this is after the nuclear explosions in eight American cities set off by ISIS agents?

The
man has close to 70% negative ratings. How is he going to change that?
With stuff like this? It's not like he's an unknown like Reagan was.
People have seen him for years; they know who he is. We know who he is.

Things like this are what he is; he can't change. He's a walking minefield.

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 06:56 PM (NKEcl)

Hillory's indictment might have something to do with it. Other bombs could go off between now and then. It won't be necessary for Trump to actually DO anything to cause it.

We have a long time between now and November. I'm not predicting anything, really. Just that I think predicting anything right now is damn near impossible.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (TOk1P)

238 >>Cruz was never going to win. He always had 0% chance of winning. Trump made him the second place finisher by turning Gope around in circles. Without Trump, we'd have nominee Jeb! or Mario right now.

Have you seen the recent polling coming out of places like Wisconsin and California? Trump is fading and Cruz is making big gains.

This is far from over.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (/tuJf)

239 there's no statute of limitations on murder, if that's what you're saying it is.
---
On that very specific point, I don't think you can (Constitutionally, I mean) pass a law that criminalizes activity that took place before the law was passed.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (ZbV+0)

240 "That's not why people are supporting Trump. That's merely what Burt thinks about Trump's support, which is worth a little less than what you paid him for it.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 06:44 PM (zc3Db) "

What Burt said isn't a strawman. Can I prove it's a majority of Trump supporters? Of course not. Maybe it's not even a plurality. But I've seen a lot of people express similar sentiments - a few on this blog, and scores on other sites and social media outlets. Some people are just voting for Trump as a middle finger to the GOP establishment. Others just think he'll be a 'destroyer.'

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (4/i9Y)

241 >>I'm not entirely convinced a Trump landslide isn't possible.

------
You seem to have misspelled dumpster fire.

Posted by: Aviator at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (c7vUv)

No no, same thing. Or different.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (TOk1P)

242
Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:42 PM (flJ92)
Fine, so when Trump gets crushed by Hillary, what do you plan to do?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (uZNvH)

243 I don't see where our views are mutually exclusive. Trump won a lot of evangelicals, and he was comically hypocritical on the issue.
Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 06:53 PM (flJ92)

Cruz's current support is not going to accept his adultery.

Now if Cruz can out-Trump Trump and claim Trump's current support, maaaaybe. But I don't see how a smooth talking lawyer can win over union blue-collar types like Trump does.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (uURQL)

244 I get the feeling that Trump and liberals think that pro-lifers want to toss women in jail. How bout y'all?

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (kkOK3)

245 i way overstated my claim, myself. Obviously, you wouldn't actually be eligible for a murder sentence that was committed when the murder in question was deemed legal.

So it was dumb of me to claim that.

Still, I think people really think this way. And I also think that many women are uncomfortable with their previous abortions being branded, officially if not legally operatively, "murders."

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)

246 i was rude about leaving th comment hanging i'm sorry.
and tx rhomboid for the vote of confidence, but srsly i don't know how to fight this stuff other than trying to lighten hearts , which isn't successful for the most part

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (L1+sh)

247 Whatever Trump says, it's the best thing for America. I've pledged my allegiance to him. MSNBC was just trying to make him look bad. Lyin' Ted is behind this. They probably got together to set him up. He should file a lawsuit against them. But his answer was fine. His letter was even better. It shows how consistent he's always been on everything. Any woman against him is a whore. He's going to win. He's going to beat Lyin' Ted. He's going to beat Lyin' Hillary. He's the only one that can make America great again! Buy Trump steaks.

Posted by: Delusional Trumpster at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (AO2XE)

248 >>> Have you seen the recent polling coming out of places like Wisconsin and California?
....

It's come to this. Our fate is in the hands of California.

Kill me now. Please.

Posted by: Damiano at March 30, 2016 07:02 PM (XItbt)

249 >>> there's no statute of limitations on murder, if that's what you're saying it is.
---
On that very specific point, I don't think you can (Constitutionally, I mean) pass a law that criminalizes activity that took place before the law was passed.

...

yes i've retracted that part of my dumb claim up thread.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:02 PM (dciA+)

250 Have you seen the recent polling coming out of
places like Wisconsin and California? Trump is fading and Cruz is making
big gains.

This is far from over.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (/tuJf)

Wisconsin and Californica. You make funny.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 07:02 PM (TOk1P)

251 Fine, so when Trump gets crushed by Hillary, what do you plan to do?
---
Go back to fiddling, like the rest of the gop.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 07:03 PM (ZbV+0)

252 Day 17 ...

... the Trump/Cruz war is not without casualties - including those amongst the living. I hear shouts on the battlefield about "The Golden Hair Weasel", "Mouth Breathers", and "Punchable Face". Sometimes, an omnipotent force simply grabs a warrior from the battlefield - and those who remain cry "Ace" or "Maet".

Regardless of the scars I bear from the sights I have seen, I must continue. I must.

Posted by: ScoggDog's Diary at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (fiGNd)

253 >>>Wisconsin and Californica. You make funny.
Posted by: BurtTC

...

are you just going to harumph-harumph and make animal noises about every fact that's presented to you?

If so, there really is no further point talking to you or reading you, is there?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (dciA+)

254 Fine, so when Trump gets crushed by Hillary, what do you plan to do?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (uZNvH)

It'll be a Tuesday, right?

I'll get up and go to work on Wednesday. That's my plan.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (TOk1P)

255 Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 06:59 PM (L1+sh)

Ha! Cool. I didn't defend Cruz on his H1B stance or his flip on it later. I'm glad Ace brought up the issue too.

Seems the comments section has cooled down since the art thread. It was getting hot in heavy in there without all zombie's dong jokes.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (lNK80)

256 People flocked to Trump because he spoke Truth To Power and was the opposite of the GOP Leadership. How many of the people who initially voted for him would do it again after realizing there's no there there?
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 30, 2016 06:59 PM (hzdiH)

I guess if you pay attention to all the talky heads.

The GOPe is still sweating bullets and throwing something, anything at the wall and hoping it'll stick.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (uURQL)

257 Still, I think people really think this way.

Some not insignificant number of women voters believed that Romney was going to outlaw tampons so, yeah.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (rwI+c)

258 getting a little tired of "I have nothing to say but feel emotionally I must make some kind of vague demurral" syndrome.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:05 PM (dciA+)

259 206:They will attack Cruz or whoever is the GOP candidate just as hard.

Yep. When even milquetoast Romney is "WORSE THAN HITLER !!!!11!!!", your just being a partisan hack. The Entertainment Cartel will always have there "HITLER" with any GOP candidate. Ian whatever is just an effeminate nancy boy. He used to show up on Red Eye but hasn't been on in a while. I wasn't impressed.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 30, 2016 07:05 PM (NGd+i)

260 No really. What is the "Plan B" for this great populist Trumpian movement when he gets inevitably crushed by Hillary?

Maybe there might be a bit of somber reflection on the part of Trumpsters that Insult Comic-style unprincipled populism isn't the way to go?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:06 PM (uZNvH)

261 "On his website Cruz says that Congress can end run Roe by enacting a law to declare a fetus to be a person. That's asking for trouble in the general. Sorry but true. It'll also get Cruz borked if he ever goes for SCOTUS."

I went back and checked and it's no longer there, but I know I saw it. That's what the wayback machine is for.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 07:07 PM (r1fLd)

262 Can we knock off the 'Trumptard' shit, though? Posters haven't become unpeople just because they support Trump. This cutesy little game of making up derogatory nicknames for each candidate's core support group got old back in 2012 (and maybe even in 2008, though I wasn't very blog active back then).

Unless someone has some particularly clever ones, because I always enjoy a good bout of wordplay. But "Cruzer" and "Trumptard" and "Mittbot" aren't clever.

(NB: I might be a hypocrite because I have used the term "Bernie Bro" multiple times, though to be fair I think even his own fans self-identify with that particular moniker)

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:07 PM (4/i9Y)

263 Draki, , i believe most almsot 99 percent of people here are advocating in good consiceince, and that's good . i just hate the knifing over politicians that could give two chts about us once they get into power.

not worth it to me. bet the left that's all i want.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:07 PM (L1+sh)

264 "If you worked in something about winning and being treated unfairly, this would be perfect."

I think you raise a good point Sean. Look, no one has ever been a bigger winner than me. Just the other day an MIT professor did an analysis that showed I was perhaps the biggest winner ever in the history of ever like winning things or something. Look at the primaries -- I have won everything except where I was treated unfairly. I mean in Iowa (and we are still thinking about suing there by the way) I won -- sure the votes did not show that, but that was because Lyin' Ted and his girlfriends decided to call a bunch of farmers to lie about that black doctor (who loves me by the way).

Posted by: Tronald Dumpster-Fire at March 30, 2016 07:07 PM (/KrYu)

265 If not Trump then who

If not who, then what?

It won't make any difference.
All roads lead to Rome, and we're going there in a Handbasket.
Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 06:36 PM (kXWUw)
*************
Cruz is are only hope. The only Conservative standing.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 07:08 PM (7GQM/)

266 Day 30 ...

... One month into this war, and I look back on the ScoggDog that entered the battle. So naive. So young.

It would be over quickly, we all thought. The Republic would be saved, we all sang. We would tilt on the field, and America would be won.

So futile. So wrong.

Posted by: ScoggDog's Diary at March 30, 2016 07:08 PM (fiGNd)

267 i way overstated my claim, myself. Obviously, you wouldn't actually be
eligible for a murder sentence that was committed when the murder in
question was deemed legal.

So it was dumb of me to claim that.

Ace, you know better, but it's not unreasonable to worry that 'women in the general voting population' don't. Certainly the political ads won't say so.

Still, I think people really think this way. And I also think that
many women are uncomfortable with their previous abortions being
branded, officially if not legally operatively, "murders."

There was a House member who actually gave a speech on the floor making precisely this point around a decade ago, I think. That even if we acknowledge abortion is murder today, we shouldn't do anything about it legislatively, because it might cause women who already killed their children to feel guilty about it.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 07:08 PM (ZbV+0)

268 >>>Wisconsin and Californica. You make funny.

Posted by: BurtTC

...

are you just going to harumph-harumph and make animal noises about every fact that's presented to you?

If so, there really is no further point talking to you or reading you, is there?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (dciA+)

I don't know. Maybe not. I've checked out of this thing, to a large extent. I honestly haven't looked at poll numbers for Wisconsin or Californica. It certainly WOULD be funny if Cruz has to rely on those ack bassward states to make headway. I still don't think two states are going to matter much. Even a big state like Cali.

It still can only end one of two ways: Trump is nominated or Gope picks the nominee, and if Gope picks, it sure as heck isn't going to be Cruz. You know that, right?

So you'll get Paul Ryan instead. Fantastic.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 07:08 PM (TOk1P)

269 Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)

ace, the world of today is totally different from that of 1973. NO WOMAN gets pregnant unless she wants to or is totally irresponsible. With the number of methods of birth control around - and lefties handing them out free to 12 year olds - most of the arguments for the necessity of national abortion back in 1973 are no longer operative (and they made for a specious argument even back then). These days, women don't have to suffer any stigma for having a child out of wedlock. Birth control is everywhere and free for most. And women always have "the choice" to have sex, or not. And there are RU-486 and the like, now, too. Any woman who finds herself "needing" an abortion at any point past the first trimester is only in that position because she's a total fucking idiot.

If Roe is repealed - as it certainly should be - then some states will make abortion illegal and some won't. A woman will still never be more than a couple of hours away from a legal abortion. They even have easy access to Canada or Mexico if they don't want to go to a state where it's offered.

But, in the states in which abortion is illegal, those participating in one are liable for whatever penalties and punishments the law prescribes.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 07:09 PM (zc3Db)

270 Can we knock off the 'Trumptard' shit, though?

Sure I'll knock it off, when the Trumpsters decide that not everyone who opposes Trump is an elitist snob who looks down on flyover country

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:09 PM (uZNvH)

271 >>>... the Trump/Cruz War isn't quite as glorious as I thought - but my heart still beats true. The fighting has been heated, and both men have shown flaws. But that's war - and I remain convinced that not only will our side triumph, but America will triumph as well.

i just put a gold star at the top of the page.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2016 07:09 PM (ceWrl)

272 "On that very specific point, I don't think you can (Constitutionally, I mean) pass a law that criminalizes activity that took place before the law was passed.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 07:00 PM (ZbV+0) "

Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional, yes, but I'd defer to one of the many moron lawyers for an expert opinion on this particular hypothetical. I mean, murder is already illegal, we're just expanding the scope of which cases we're considering murder. Does that constitute an ex post facto law? I don't know, to be honest.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:10 PM (4/i9Y)

273
Cruz's current support is not going to accept his adultery.

Now if Cruz can out-Trump Trump and claim Trump's current support,
maaaaybe. But I don't see how a smooth talking lawyer can win over
union blue-collar types like Trump does.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (uURQL)

The premise is that Cruz is the next Trump in four years. He will of course be courting the same groups, but if he's learned from Trump, and if he's the new Trump then that's a given. He'll have a different message. It really depends on how smart Cruz is in the four years after the election. I personally am not a purist. I don't think you need a pure candidate, a frightened one works just as well, and sometimes better. A truly good man can't be dissuaded from the path he thinks is right. This is a problem if the good man is an idiot.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 07:10 PM (flJ92)

274 Draki, , i believe most almsot 99 percent of people here are advocating in good consiceince, and that's good . i just hate the knifing over politicians that could give two chts about us once they get into power.

not worth it to me. bet the left that's all i want.
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:07 PM (L1+sh)

Ah good point. Yes, probably right that all the politicians still running don't care about us once they get into power.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 07:10 PM (lNK80)

275 chem, i think rules apply to all of us, you and i both.

believe me i have a lot of anger also,

we can do better i think

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:11 PM (L1+sh)

276 Or maybe the Trumpsters could acknowledge that not everyone who opposes Trump is an "open borders globalist" who wants to let in all the terrorists and who wants the UN to be in charge of everything

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:11 PM (uZNvH)

277 "No really. What is the "Plan B" for this great populist Trumpian movement when he gets inevitably crushed by Hillary?"

Blame the establishment and conservatives for not sufficiently supporting him.

So, clean out the establishment (not necessarily a bad idea) and replace it with....hell if I know.

This latter part has always been the problem. The complaints by the Trumpsters have merit; the problem is that they think Trump is the answer.

The GOP/conservatives/anti-liberal movement will be sent to the wilderness to fight it out while the liberals run things. It's the cycle of American history repeating itself. The conservative movement is spent and no longer offers much that the public as a whole wants.

What will emerge is anyone's guess.

This is all barring some event that completely turns the table.

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 07:11 PM (NKEcl)

278 Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:04 PM (dciA+)

Ace! What are you current thoughts about Drudge? I've been pondering just never going to his site anymore. I'm getting the vibe he's becoming too pro-trump and isn't being careful with some of the videos he's posting from gateway pundit.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 07:12 PM (kkOK3)

279 Republican candidates would do well to take their cue from Christ on the abortion issue.

Answer questions with questions. Other wise, remain silent.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 30, 2016 07:12 PM (zD9Yp)

280 Trumpsters, Trumpians...whatever.

It's not meant as a pejorative.

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 07:13 PM (NKEcl)

281

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 30, 2016 07:13 PM (wZfYc)

282 willow, I haven't used the "Trumptard" slur in a while, actually.

But I do get a little bit tired of always being beseeched by the pro-Trump crowd that all I have to do is to "understand their anger", while they steadfastly refuse to examine thoughtfully why someone might be opposed to Trump in good faith

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:14 PM (uZNvH)

283 Day 43 ...

... more men grabbed today by the mysterious, omnipotent "Ace" and "Maet". We no longer rejoice when it happens to our enemies. We no longer mourn when it happens to our friends. We no longer fear when it will happen to ourselves. We fight, because we can. With no end in sight. With no victory to be won.

The stories become more macabre, and I believe them more. They say the Trump is a deranged madman. They say the Cruz is a whore-mongering fool. But who is the madman and who is the fool ? Them ... or the men that fight for them ?

We are damned.

Posted by: ScoggDog's Diary at March 30, 2016 07:14 PM (fiGNd)

284 >>> Cruz's current support is not going to accept his adultery.
....

What adultery?

But let's pretend that Ted Cruz is banging every intern in DC. People are going to leave him and turn to Trump?

Let's set that aside and go to your other "blue collar union" claim. In what bizarro universe are the union people going to turn out for Trump instead of Hillary?

All other disagreements aside, the fact remains that Trump has one demographic that he wins with. One. And he doesn't even win 50% of that demo. People consider themselves right of center enough to usually vote Republican but are pissed off about "all them damn Mexicans taking our jobs and rapin' white women!".

Democrats aren't crossing anywhere for him. He has lost over 60% of Republicans in every primary so far. Tell me, how does Trump achieve this stunning, historic, YUUGE!, map changing history with zero percent of the left, 38% of the right, and a few percent of the people in the middle that actually turn out to vote?

Posted by: Damiano at March 30, 2016 07:14 PM (XItbt)

285 So has anyone actually heard the original questions and quotes or are we all sticking to MFM source paraphrasing? (I haven't read yet to see if the full quotes are cited in the comments here.)

Posted by: andycanuck at March 30, 2016 07:15 PM (ioqGj)

286 "Sure I'll knock it off, when the Trumpsters decide that not everyone who opposes Trump is an elitist snob who looks down on flyover country

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:09 PM (uZNvH) "

But this is the same justification some of Trump's fans have for acting like SJW's. "The other side does it, we have to do it to fight back." I can think that Trump's fans on this site are greatly misguided without having a cute little curse word for them.

I get why you're frustrated though, because I feel the same frustration. Things that would have sunk every other candidate aren't sinking Trump. (In the primary, at least) So this isn't really a retread of the nastiness from 2012, because if any of the 2012 candidates had copied Trump's litany of errors, they'd have been crushed in the primaries. That's one reason why this year seems so much worse than any other primary season.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:15 PM (4/i9Y)

287 >>>
Ace! What are you current thoughts about Drudge? I've been pondering just never going to his site anymore. I'm getting the vibe he's becoming too pro-trump and isn't being careful with some of the videos he's posting from gateway pundit.

i've always thought Drudge was a clown who got One Leak that made his reputation.

I have some egotistical reason for this, though: He long denigrated mere "bloggers," as if what he was doing -- merely pulling LINKS off the wires -- was some kind of exalted higher-function mental work. (And in fact he's got guys, like the late Andrew Breitbart, who do this much of the time -- I helped Andrew write the Drudge headline on the radio interview where Obama said the supreme court had erred by not looking more into wealth redistribution.)

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:15 PM (dciA+)

288 this is what i try to do now when i've really had it.

take a walk, think about how cool everyone here is other than battles over something we have limited tools to attain.

this is only but one fight, i'm pretty sure we have some huge battles coming soon . why waste it on hating our allies?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:16 PM (L1+sh)

289
"Trumpsters, Trumpians...whatever.

It's not meant as a pejorative.

Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 07:13 PM (NKEcl) "

I will agree, there's a difference between names like those and ones like "Mittbot" and "Trumptard" which are actively pejorative. There's nothing innately negative about saying someone is a "Cruzer" or a "Bernie Bro."

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:17 PM (4/i9Y)

290
Posted by: SteveMG at March 30, 2016 07:11 PM (NKEcl)
Yeah of course they are going to blame everyone else except their idiotic candidate for why they lost.

And quite frankly the term "Establishment" is far overused. It is basically meaningless now. I want *conservatives* in office, and I don't care if they are "establishment conservatives" or not.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:17 PM (uZNvH)

291 Posted by: Damiano at March 30, 2016 07:14 PM (XItbt)

Didn't Trump brag about cheating on his wife/s? I'm confused why Trump is pushing this. Hurts Cruz more than him?

I haven't seen any evidence or anyone admitting to having an affair with Cruz.

Posted by: Draki at March 30, 2016 07:17 PM (lNK80)

292 Fine, so when Trump gets crushed by Hillary, what do you plan to do?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (uZNvH)
Trump won't be crushed by Hillary. Trump was crushed by himself. He won't get 1237, nobody will, and we'll have a brokered convention where Cruz will be sent home, and someone more acceptable to the establishment will be selected. I won't vote for that selection, and I'll wait for the next Trump, and there will be another. I even speculated in this thread that it would be Cruz himself.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 07:17 PM (flJ92)

293 "If Roe is repealed - as it certainly should be - then some states will make abortion illegal and some won't. "

Roe ain't going away. You'd need a Constitutional amendment or a radical change in who's on SCOTUS. Not gonna happen.

Thanks to Breitbart's disciples, the GOP and the Right to Lifers had the opening to reframe the question to be "when does infanticide begin." They blew it. The GOP caved and financed PP. Carly Fiorina made this her singular issue and got run out of the race. Breitbart's disciples got charged with felonies -- in Texas!

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 07:19 PM (r1fLd)

294
Flopping on the deck like a landed tuna!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, Epic Battle of the Cyclic Stars (TM) at March 30, 2016 07:19 PM (eFRS+)

295
So if Trump is sucha lock to be blown out by Clinton why aren't leftwing news outlets going after Cruz?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 30, 2016 07:21 PM (lKyWE)

296 >>>
And quite frankly the term "Establishment" is far overused. It is basically meaningless now.

chemjeff,

the establishment is the actual political establishment -- the actual political class -- plus their well heeled corporate patrons, PLUS the upper middle class/educated everyday voters that has all of the sway in the party.

People who deny the establishment exists, I'm sorry, tend to be the establishment themselves.

And no, there's not a damn thing wrong with being upper middle class or college educated. but please stop pretending the party isn't in YOUR pocket and not in the pocket of, for example, the typical lower income worker.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:21 PM (dciA+)

297 while they steadfastly refuse to examine thoughtfully why someone might be opposed to Trump in good faith
Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:14 PM (uZNvH)

There are people who are opposed to Trump in good faith.

That would not be you, who has in the past made irrational claims in the service of Not Trump.

And quite frankly the term "Establishment" is far overused. It is basically meaningless now. I want *conservatives* in office, and I don't care if they are "establishment conservatives" or not.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:17 PM (uZNvH)

Nvm, you made one such statement right now. Arbitrary declaration that a term is meaningless.

Jeb is establishment. Trump is not. Unless you can twist the term to do the opposite, it does have meaning.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 07:22 PM (uURQL)

298 this is what i try to do now when i've really had it.

take a walk, think about how cool everyone here is other than battles over something we have limited tools to attain.

this is only but one fight, i'm pretty sure we have some huge battles coming soon . why waste it on hating our allies?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:16 PM (L1+sh)

Obviously I've managed to annoy Ace and several others here, but my position is fairly simple. I think Trump is going to win the nomination, so the stuff about how bad a candidate he is doesn't really register with me anymore.

Likewise the arguments FOR Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz isn't going to be the nominee. It's not even remotely possible, so I see no point in arguing FOR Ted Cruz.

Chemjeff gets angry because people don't want to argue on his terms. Well no, I'm not going to argue on his terms. They're irrelevant to me.

I'm only slightly more interested in the outcome, whether Trump wins or loses, but at this point I think we don't have anywhere near enough information to know what that's going to look like.

So as Ace suggests, people who want to skip over what I have to say, if they want to argue that stuff, yeah, it's probably safe to do so.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 30, 2016 07:22 PM (TOk1P)

299 he Monty Hall theory. On Monty Hall with the choice of 3 doors
contestants very rarely would switch from their initial choice when
Monty opened one of the dud doors, but statistically they should have
switched to increase their chances of winning from 1/3 to 1/2.

This is still wrong.

Posted by: DaveA at March 30, 2016 07:22 PM (DL2i+)

300 If Roe is repealed

I meant "overturned" ... but since it really is more SCOTUS law than SCOTUS decision I think "repealed" fits better.

Posted by: ThePrimoridalOrderedPair at March 30, 2016 07:23 PM (zc3Db)

301 "And quite frankly the term "Establishment" is far overused. It is basically meaningless now. I want *conservatives* in office, and I don't care if they are "establishment conservatives" or not.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 07:17 PM (uZNvH)"

There is an establishment, and they are total shitlords, but the word has become a bit of a boogeyman, yeah. The establishment is why we had the mess with that sheepfucker Thad Cochran, for one example. But people give them way too much credit when they act like they're responsible for, well, just about everything bad that has happened right of center.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:23 PM (4/i9Y)

302 Trump won't be crushed by Hillary. Trump was crushed by himself. He
won't get 1237, nobody will, and we'll have a brokered convention where
Cruz will be sent home, and someone more acceptable to the establishment
will be selected.
---
And that guy will get crushed by Hillary. Because no Trump voter will turn out for them. Some number of Cruz voters, too. Heck my parents, diehard Fox News watchers, voted for Kasich, are sufficiently unhappy about the lawlessness of delegate shenanigans, and particularly the fact that the talking heads are currently talking them up, that they're considering not voting in November.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 07:23 PM (ZbV+0)

303 "So has anyone actually heard the original questions and quotes or are we all sticking to MFM source paraphrasing"

They're on Breitbart's "Horse Race." It's an awkward exchange where Trump tries to play Chris Matthews but instead gets played. Trump slid down a slippery slope, which is where abortion is murder will take you.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 07:24 PM (r1fLd)

304 what i'd like to see is an acceptance of truth by all.
and rate it as we should on list of what will destroy the country and what might knock some heads and pull our side back into doing what the country needs.

but that might be a stupid hope.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:24 PM (L1+sh)

305 And no, there's not a damn thing wrong with being upper middle class or college educated. but please stop pretending the party isn't in YOUR pocket and not in the pocket of, for example, the typical lower income worker.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:21 PM (dciA+)

The corollary is that the Democratic Party establishment is supposed to represent the typical lower income worker, but dealing with them is too messy and unpredictable, so they deal with the unions that pretend to represent the interest of workers. Surprise: unions represent the interests of unions and will screw the workers seven ways from Sunday to preserve their own union dues-fueled lifestyles of luxury and power.

Posted by: stuiec at March 30, 2016 07:25 PM (eetvJ)

306 amen stuiec

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:27 PM (L1+sh)

307 Jeb is establishment. Trump is not. Unless you can twist the term to do the opposite, it does have meaning.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 30, 2016 07:22 PM (uURQL)

Trump is obviously establishment, as Cruz is obviously of the political class. What both these men offered is to betray their group. Both have did things that have been contradictory, but if they wished to remain in their groups then some capitulation was required. The big question is do you believe that either of them would actually betray, and this is what we've been fighting about.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 07:27 PM (flJ92)

308
"This is still wrong.

Posted by: DaveA at March 30, 2016 07:22 PM (DL2i+) "

True, your odds go from 1/3 to 2/3. You can sort of consider the open door 'yours' - it's taken out of play, and it gives you information you didn't have when you made your initial choice. But the simplest way to think about it is, well, your initial chance of picking the right door was 33% - by switching, you're getting the other 67%.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:28 PM (4/i9Y)

309 >>> Didn't Trump brag about cheating on his wife/s? I'm confused why Trump is pushing this. Hurts Cruz more than him?
.....

Heck, Trump was subpoenaed in relation to Jeffery Epstein and is on record with a reporter saying, "He's a great guy. He likes women as much as I do. He does like 'em young!"

But sure, let's all talk about the investigating the allegations of allegations by the NE.

Of course, Trump is going to overcome the massive flood of tabloid articles about him, documented adultery, and other negative crap that will come out 5 minutes after his nomination speech and he's going to paint the entire electoral map Reagan red by (quoting a commenter earlier), "calling Hillary a c**t on national TV".

Yup. That will work.

Posted by: Damiano at March 30, 2016 07:28 PM (XItbt)

310 "Trump won't be crushed by Hillary. Trump was crushed by himself. He
won't get 1237, nobody will, and we'll have a brokered convention where
Cruz will be sent home, and someone more acceptable to the establishment
will be selected. I won't vote for that selection, and I'll wait for
the next Trump, and there will be another. I even speculated in this
thread that it would be Cruz himself."

The GOPe isn't some monolithic evil league of evil. They're less organized than the Dems, and even the DNC doesn't have that level of control of their party. They won't even be able to swing 1000 delegates to give Rubio the nom, much less somebody who doesn't even have a campaign.

Cruz has the best organized campaign in the republican party right now--no question. The best ground game, the best delegate strategizing.

Trump's campaign is a joke. Kasich's is a straight up dumpsterfire.

The nominee will be Trump or Cruz, depending whether Cruz's better campaign can overcome Trump's delegate lead. Only way an outside candidate gets it is if Trump or Cruz backs their candidacy for some reason.

Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 07:30 PM (CZaQB)

311 he Monty Hall theory. On Monty Hall with the choice of 3 doors

contestants very rarely would switch from their initial choice when

Monty opened one of the dud doors, but statistically they should have

switched to increase their chances of winning from 1/3 to 1/2.

This is still wrong.
---
You have a 1/3 chance of picking the correct door on the first try, and 2/3 of being wrong. You then have a choice to stay where you are or change after Hall removes a door that is certainly bad.

If you were right the first time, you are certainly wrong if you flip, so that's 1/3 chance flipping hurts you.

If you were wrong the first time, you are certainly right to flip, so that's 2/3 chance that flipping helps.

It's counterintuitive, but you are far better off flipping.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 30, 2016 07:33 PM (ZbV+0)

312 #303 Thank you, Ignoramus. It is there. (Ctrl-f for 4:39: for all of it.)

Posted by: andycanuck at March 30, 2016 07:33 PM (ioqGj)

313 Nice to see you back, willow.

Posted by: rickl at March 30, 2016 07:34 PM (sdi6R)

314 I've got a great brain. Hate abortion. My pro-life adviser is myself. Trump steaks!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 30, 2016 07:34 PM (LYCUN)

315 "Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional, yes,"

Right now a fetus isn't a "person" for federal constitutional purposes. But most states have some kind of fetal homicide statute. Which shows how we're of two minds on the subject.

Thus, in many states, had Michelle been pregnant and Corey's battery caused her to miscarry, he'd be looking at murder charges.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 07:34 PM (r1fLd)

316 >>>True, your odds go from 1/3 to 2/3. You can sort of consider the open door 'yours' - it's taken out of play, and it gives you information you didn't have when you made your initial choice. But the simplest way to think about it is, well, your initial chance of picking the right door was 33% - by switching, you're getting the other 67%.

this problem can be more easily understood if you think about ONE HUNDRED DOORS.

You pick one. The prize is behind one door. It's not behind 99 other doors.

Now, you pick your door. The host says, "I can tell you the prize is NOT BEHIND these other 98 doors," and leaves one single door closed.

Do you switch now? OF COURSE YOU DO! Why? Because you have a huge amount of information. He's eliminated 98 possible doors, and left only one.

So, either you picked right initially, on a one in one hundred guess, or you picked wrong initially -- a 99% chance -- and the prize is 99% likely to be in the single unopened door.

The same thing happens with three doors -- all the probability of the opened door moves to the unopened door.

(It's also important to remember that Monty Haul is not guessing himself -- he knows which doors are losers and which is the winner. Thus his actions are not at random as yours was, but informed -- he's picking all the doors he knows are losers, and leaving only a door he know is a winner. (Except if you got lucky on your initial choice.))

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:35 PM (dciA+)

317 rickl. i hope i am not back-back, but i did miss most. i am still a mess and trying to do better personally.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:35 PM (L1+sh)

318 and ace does a lot to keep a decent though rowdy community.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:36 PM (L1+sh)

319 Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 07:30 PM (CZaQB)

I don't think you're getting who delegates are. These people have made their living off the GOP, at the local level. They are all in with the GOP because it puts bread on their table. They are through and through establishment wannabes. It may take many many huddles but I don't think there is an upper limit on votes.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 07:36 PM (flJ92)

320 forking branch analysis:

If you picked right -- which will happen 33% of the time - you win if you stand pat and you lose if you switch.

So, 33% of the time, switching is wrong.

If you picked wrong initially -- which will happen 67% of the time -- you lose if you stand pat and you win if you switch.

Yes, you might have picked right, but odds are, you picked wrong. Your odds are better if you switch.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:37 PM (dciA+)

321 "So if Trump is sucha lock to be blown out by Clinton why aren't leftwing news outlets going after Cruz?"

They are too busy broadcasting the Trump Trainwreck!

This gets ratings. Ratings > Politics at this point.

They will have time to turn on Cruz, if he were to win.

Trump is frustrating because he could have been a much stronger candidate, if he'd just have a small amount of self-control.

Posted by: Harun at March 30, 2016 07:39 PM (UBBWX)

322 315>>> "Right now a fetus isn't a "person" for federal constitutional purposes. But most states have some kind of fetal homicide statute. Which shows how we're of two minds on the subject. "

I've discussed that hypothetical enigma with my state rep before. "What if a drunk driver hits a pregnant woman on her way to PP for an abortion and causes her to miscarry?"

It is strange indeed.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 30, 2016 07:39 PM (zD9Yp)

323 i even think trumptard stupid coments and cruzbots whatever epithet should be forgiven , because time outs work for most of us that are really angry at what's in our faces.
omho though

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2016 07:39 PM (L1+sh)

324 "but you are far better off flipping."

No you're not. You get more information so you're odds go from 1/3 to 1/2. Flipping doesn't change that.

Monty gets to pick which door he shows you. And it's not random what he shows you -- he'll never show you the winning door.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 07:41 PM (r1fLd)

325 When I win the presidency Jeffrey Epstein will be my teenage outreach czar.

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 30, 2016 07:41 PM (LYCUN)

326
Carol Merills tits always pointed out the door you should chose.I thought everybody knew that

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 30, 2016 07:44 PM (lKyWE)

327 "Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:35 PM (dciA+) "

That's the example I use as well. A lot of people have trouble understanding with 3 doors - everybody comprehends it when it's 100 doors. When it's as small as three doors, you have the illusion of a coinflip. Even 10 doors is usually enough for people to understand the core concept - if your initial choice was less than 50% likely to be correct, then you always improve your odds by switching.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 07:45 PM (4/i9Y)

328 I've been pretty mean to Trump supporters, but I was pro-Trump for a long time. Trump-curious. He just says enough stuff that eventually, he steps on your own personal land mine issue.

Actually, its refreshing he speaks so much and without a massive safety filter. I think that's not his problem, really. its other personality issues.

So, when Trump disappoints you enough, you have to look around and see who else is there?

Cruz is not super inspiring, but he's the closest on Trump issues of immigration.

If it goes to the convention, and GOPe gets their guy in, you can bet it will be amnesty without any border security.

Posted by: Harun at March 30, 2016 07:45 PM (UBBWX)

329 It's counterintuitive, but you are far better off flipping.

The prize doesn't move, you have more information but it's still the same trial.

Posted by: DaveA at March 30, 2016 07:49 PM (DL2i+)

330 I've been annoyed at the "Trumptard" and "Trumpbot" type comments. While they are not personal attacks, they are collective insults. I don't care for "Trumpster" or "Trumpette" either, but I suppose they're not as perjorative as the first two.

To my ear, "Cruzer" sounds neutral. There was one 'ette who had the phrase "Keep calm and Cruz on" in her nick. I don't remember who it was. Both are just plays on "cruise", so they don't seem insulting.

Obviously, "Cruztard" or "Cruzbot" would be perjorative. I don't believe I've ever used any of them.

Posted by: rickl at March 30, 2016 07:52 PM (sdi6R)

331 "Trump is frustrating because he could have been a much stronger candidate, if he'd just have a small amount of self-control."

Look I don't know this Harun fellow -but I am sure he is not a winner. I don't have small anything. I have the greatest amount of self-control that anyone one has ever had. Look at my casinos -- I have tastefully kept my name to a minimum. My best casino -- its the "Trump Taj Mahal" not the "Trump Mahal". That took a hell of a lot of constraint not name it the "Trump Mahal".

But lets be honest, anyone else would have named it the "Trump Mahal" because its objectively greater and better than that crappy castle in the middle of nowhere in India. My dealers all wanted to re-name "Black Jack" as "Trump's 21" -- but I held back. That took a yuuge amount of self-restraint.

And I have that. I have more self-control than the Pope in a whore house (who is by the way, not a nice man).

Posted by: Tronald Dumpster-Fire at March 30, 2016 07:54 PM (/KrYu)

332 There will always be my pick and two other doors, (A) at least one of which will be wrong, and (B) one of which may be right. Monty always shows one of the "A" doors. He never shows a "B".

If it was random, when Monty showed the door, one-third of the time it would be a winner, and you'd crap out at that point, but that never happens.

So you're real decision is after Monty opens the first door and eliminates one of the "A"s. You can keep your original pick or shift. It doesn't matter. Your odds were always one in two.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 30, 2016 07:55 PM (r1fLd)

333 Yeah, immigration is my numero uno. The problem is immigration is Trump's signature issue, and he's a buffoon, so it becomes buffoonish by association.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 30, 2016 07:58 PM (Rtyzj)

334 "I don't think you're getting who delegates are.
These people have made their living off the GOP, at the local level.
They are all in with the GOP because it puts bread on their table. They
are through and through establishment wannabes. It may take many many
huddles but I don't think there is an upper limit on votes.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 07:36 PM (flJ92)"
I know exactly who they are. Do you?
The GOP evil league of establishment world domination is too disorganized and incompetent to to hold their share of national congress together (unlike the Dems, who have zero problems getting them all to vote lockstep).
But this gang of Lex Luther level unstoppable masterminds holds total dominion over the thousands of delegates coming from fifty radically different state party organizations?
Bullshit.Trump will win because his delegate lead is too strong to be overcome, or Cruz will win because his campaign is the best organized for the fight. A Romney/Ryan style candidate without so much as a campaign staff has ZERO chance unless one of the actual candidates decides to support them for some reason.

Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 07:58 PM (CZaQB)

335 My best insult for Cruz supporters is Teddy Bears.

Maybe just Teddies

Posted by: Harun at March 30, 2016 07:58 PM (UBBWX)

336 "natural born citizen" means something to me

Posted by: torabora at March 30, 2016 08:03 PM (YGm6U)

337 Just because you 'tards out there are all butt-hurt because Jeb fizzled, and so now you are petulantly refusing to vote for the one who vanquished him to the dust bin of history, it doesn't mean there aren't 100 million other voters out there chomping at the bits to pull the lever for Trump.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 30, 2016 08:10 PM (wLLbf)

338 @12...From one Zymergist to another, it's sad to see so many on the 'right' have collective labotomies.

I'm convinced at this point that Trump never really had an intention of seeing this thing through. He has picked up on and uses Stephen Colbert's schitck to openly mock conservitives but the fire that he's started has gotten out of control.

There's two options here......

1: He honestly believes women should be prosecuted (if abortion was made illegal) or he's taking such an outrageous position to actually sabotage himself.

2: He's making the entire air toxic for the Republicans have no shot in Nov; even if he's on the ticket.

Yes both are the same but how anyone can look past crap like this is beyond me. Yes, yes I get it the *Establishment must paaaaayyyyyy.* I feel the same but there are other ways that are sane and give us a shot to keep Hillary out of the WH; *cough* Ted Cruz *caugh*

The Establishement will pay with a President Cruz and the world doesn't have to be burnt down around us.

Posted by: ATLDiver at March 30, 2016 08:11 PM (4N7Kq)

339 Broseidon at 262:

I thought we'd all decided on an earlier thread to go with "The Apple Trumpling Gang".

No? That's not a thing?

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 30, 2016 08:17 PM (pCf+a)

340 "Just because you 'tards out there are all butt-hurt because Jeb fizzled,
and so now you are petulantly refusing to vote for the one who
vanquished him to the dust bin of history, it doesn't mean there aren't
100 million other voters out there chomping at the bits to pull the
lever for Trump."

You mean Marco Rubio? Because that's who vanquished the dread Jeb. Marco. You know, the guy that was running the exact same strategy as Jeb, and did it better? Yeah, that was Marco. Same guy that dragged down Cruz.

And Kasich killed Marco by pulling off too much of the establishment vote.

Trump just doubled down on his 35% of support and held on tight while all the other candidates killed each other. Not going to work out so well for your guy in the general.

Trump killed Christie's dreams though, so I guess he's got that going for him.

Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 08:18 PM (CZaQB)

341 So if Trump is sucha lock to be blown out by Clinton why aren't leftwing news outlets going after Cruz?"

They are too busy broadcasting the Trump Trainwreck!

This gets ratings. Ratings > Politics at this point.

They will have time to turn on Cruz, if he were to win.

Trump is frustrating because he could have been a much stronger candidate, if he'd just have a small amount of self-control.

Posted by: Harun at March 30, 2016 07:39 PM (UBBWX)
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Instead of uniting Conservatives he has divided them
unnecessarily. To the point where it is unsalvageable.
Conservative candidates that we worked so hard to elect he destroys with his name calling and unbelievable criticism. Scott Walker, Ted Cruz to name a few.
Greg Gutfeld really nailed it on the Five. -
" You could look at conservative websites like Breitbart & how much that has fallen apart since the Trump nomination. You could look at 'The Five.' On any given day, we have tension over this nomination, over this candidate." "You can look at our network at a whole, where we are having issues over a family of anchors within this staff."
" You can look at the Party. Every area where there is conservatism, there is strife. And I just remember the good old days where we could all unite against the hatred of Obama. But somehow Trump has shattered that. And now we are sitting here grappling with this internal strife & we have no way of getting out of this."

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 08:27 PM (7GQM/)

342 the establishment is the actual political establishment -- the actual
political class -- plus their well heeled corporate patrons, PLUS the
upper middle class/educated everyday voters that has all of the sway in
the party.

People who deny the establishment exists, I'm sorry, tend to be the establishment themselves.

I don't deny that the "Establishment" exists. The term however has been broadened so much that it now only basically means "people I don't like who are vaguely connected to the Republican Party somehow". For instance it's kinda funny to see you lump ordinary voters into "the Establishment" when they have no formal power whatsoever, and have also endured their own share of betrayal by DC Republicans in various ways.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 08:31 PM (uZNvH)

343 >>> For instance it's kinda funny to see you lump ordinary voters into "the Establishment" when they have no formal power whatsoever, and have also endured their own share of betrayal by DC Republicans in various ways.

the establishment and the dominant social class are closely aligned. No, typical voters aren't formally part of the establishment, but damn if most of them aren't on the establishment's wavelength (and vice versa).

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 08:36 PM (dciA+)

344 #335 Dude, I can ROCK a teddy.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 30, 2016 08:43 PM (Kucy5)

345 "In all fairness to Trump, he doesn't care about policy and isn't very smart."

Yeah because what we really need is a super duper smart policy wonk. That'll fix everything.

Posted by: jacke at March 30, 2016 08:46 PM (q72Gm)

346 #284 ... not going to accept his adultery.

Look at that face. Is that the face of a man's who's been getting too much sex?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 30, 2016 08:50 PM (Kucy5)

347 Will you stop with the "brokered convention" pity party? Brokered is not the same as contested. Every time I hear "If Trump doesn't win, GOPe won't nominate Cruz", I can't help but think it's merely meant to demoralize Cruz supporters. And Donald Trump isn't a martyr. He sounds like a cry-bully, but he's no martyr.

Posted by: West Town at March 30, 2016 08:50 PM (M3fMi)

348 66 so regale me with the stories about how Trump is going to totally destroy hillary clinton and stuff

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 06:27 PM (dciA+)

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They're the same stories that you tell about Cruz, except less likely.

Posted by: Jack of Clubs at March 30, 2016 08:53 PM (yddCj)

349 #208 and those are ALL positions Trump has said he is willing to bargain away.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 30, 2016 08:54 PM (Kucy5)

350 Ace, you need to admit to us that you're cheering for Cruz in the hopes that he wins the nomination but loses the election in order for Hillary to destroy America and thus begin the re-building process. You've hinted at it before, but I think you should just come clean.

You know that Cruz will not win the election. You're either an Establishment shill (we don't forget your statements suggesting that that is true) or you're hoping for the collapse.

P.S. I laughed when I saw your name in the Hillary Clinton endorsements article on Wikipedia.

Posted by: Jack of Clubs at March 30, 2016 08:57 PM (yddCj)

351 I find it interesting that Ace supports Cruz, who has very close ties to the Establishment (Bush, etc). Ace, not being terribly bright, thinks that because many in the Establishment hate Cruz that it means Cruz is not a member of it. He is. They just hate his personality and personal conduct.

For someone who mocks Trump for being stupid, you have a long way to go yourself, Ace.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:02 PM (yddCj)

352 Has it ever occurred to anyone around here that the Dems and the LSM are stoking this fire to kill the Republican Party? I can hardly read any site any longer. I get so angry and think whoa--shouldnt those two (minus that cretin Kasich) be focusing on Hillary?? I guess it's more important to determine who said the worst about the other guys wife,.....

Posted by: AnnaS at March 30, 2016 09:05 PM (P+I7L)

353 ......and abortion! There's a new winner.

Posted by: AnnaS at March 30, 2016 09:07 PM (P+I7L)

354 I can smell your fear, Ace. Pure desperation. But that's OK; it's your blog and all that.

Trump is going to beat the shit out of Cruz in Wisconsin, get over and above 1237, and end up remaking the Republican party into a political institution that actually listens to the middle class. Gone are the vapid and lifeless Conservative Thinkers pouting at home consoling one another.

It won't matter. All of the turncoats will be replaced by people who actually recognize what is happening to this country and are not fighting like hell for a busted status quo.

All of these machinations and white knighting and fear mongering of the Conservative class will be for nothing. Deep down - you know it. So, Ace and those who grovel to stay in your good graces: take your best shot, keep the heat coming, do your damned best to take Trump out.

But you should have some good cheer, Ace, the Corporate Class Oligarchs and Party Operatives that maintain that class that you used to piercingly (and correctly) skewer in blog post after blog post will soon be swept aside and forgotten. Hell, they are already starting to be forgotten.

Posted by: Turkey OTooley at March 30, 2016 09:07 PM (kwHPo)

355 If.Ace and Cruz are establishment shills now than every single human who has ever walked the face of the earth is an establishment shill. Glxrborp from the Bblgor Nebula is a freaking establishment shill. The word is rapidly losing all meaning outside the feverish, deranged imaginations of Trumpers.

Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 09:09 PM (CZaQB)

356 I find it interesting that Ace supports Cruz, who has very close ties to the Establishment (Bush, etc). Ace, not being terribly bright, thinks that because many in the Establishment hate Cruz that it means Cruz is not a member of it. He is. They just hate his personality and personal conduct.

For someone who mocks Trump for being stupid, you have a long way to go yourself, Ace.
Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:02 PM (yddCj)
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So I guess we better just eliminate the House and Senate and make Trump King because of course he's not The Establishment... just a Liberal. Might as well have Kanye' for VP because he's not The Establishment.
Cruz is 1000x more conservative than Trump.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 09:10 PM (7GQM/)

357 355 The word is rapidly losing all meaning outside the feverish, deranged imaginations of Trumpers.
Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 09:09 PM (CZaQB)

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No, but I admire your defense of Cruz. Fighting a losing battle (e.g. Cruz becoming president) does take guts.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:12 PM (yddCj)

358 So I guess we better just eliminate the House and Senate and make Trump King because of course he's not The Establishment... just a Liberal. Might as well have Kanye' for VP because he's not The Establishment.
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Everyone in the House and Senate are liberals. Every last one.

Leftists, maybe not so many. But they're all liberals.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:13 PM (yddCj)

359 What hasn't sunk in for many of the #NeverTrumpers yet is that they think that by sitting out and pouting in a corner, they think that they are going to Teach Us a Thing or Two.

What they don't know, is that they have already been passed by. They will not be missed. A new consensus will be forged. The oligarch loving class Smart Set is much, much smaller than the #NeverTrumpers think.

For those #NeverTrumpers who think they are doing God's Work, take a long hard look at Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and the nearly dozen other Anointed Candidates laid bare and defeated. Stay on your dogged path, and your fate will be the same.

So, good night and good luck! And you better step up your game, because you're running out of time.

Posted by: Turkey OTooley at March 30, 2016 09:14 PM (kwHPo)

360 A Romney/Ryan style candidate without so much as a
campaign staff has ZERO chance unless one of the actual candidates
decides to support them for some reason.

Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 07:58 PM (CZaQB)

I want to believe, I do, but I think they'll pull themselves together once the horse trading begins. My family is one of those GOP control groups in a small rural area, and they hate Trump and Cruz. Keep the faith for both of us, because I've always been poor at the faith thing.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 30, 2016 09:15 PM (flJ92)

361 Cruz is 1000x more conservative than Trump.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 09:10 PM (7GQM/)
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Whatever "conservative" means anymore. I mean, Glxrborp from the Bblgor Nebula is a freaking conservative.

If conservative means "wishing for the destruction of a country from bad trade, mass illegal immigration, and crushing debt either deliberately or through constantly losing", than yes, Cruz is "1000x more conservative" than Trump.

And yes, that would make this a conservative blog. If you support the Corporate Class (major overlap with the Establishment), then I definitely understand your support of Cruz (and by extension, Hillary, because, let's face it, he's not beating her).

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:16 PM (yddCj)

362 361
Whatever "conservative" means anymore.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:16 PM (yddCj)

I agree with that part. I don't know what that word means anymore, and I doubt that 90% of the electorate does either. It just sounds like a buzzword, or shorthand for something that is only hazily defined if at all.

Posted by: rickl at March 30, 2016 09:21 PM (sdi6R)

363 I would like to know who all these "Conservative" Trumpkins have supported for public office and continue to support for public office or is Trump a party of one?
Is there ANYTHING or ANYONE that Trump could support that would change your view of him?

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 09:27 PM (7GQM/)

364 Is there ANYTHING or ANYONE that Trump could support that would change your view of him?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 09:27 PM

Smaller Government

Posted by: West Town at March 30, 2016 09:29 PM (M3fMi)

365 363 I would like to know who all these "Conservative" Trumpkins have supported for public office and continue to support for public office or is Trump a party of one?
Is there ANYTHING or ANYONE that Trump could support that would change your view of him?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 09:27 PM (7GQM/)
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Is your comment in English?

Calling Trump supporters (or really, anti-Establishment types) "Trumpkins" is a lot like Obama calling Tea Partiers "Teabaggers".

How's this: I hope Trump picks Gingrich for VP.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:30 PM (yddCj)

366 I'm switching my support form Cruz to Trump today.

My major holdout concern previously was that Trump wasn't pro-life enough.
But this erased my fears.

Go Trump!

Posted by: Village Idiot at March 30, 2016 09:35 PM (bf86X)

367 Has the pro-life movement had any victories in the last few decades?

I mean, their response to Trump is typical of the "conservative" movement: only saying things they think the Left will let them get away with.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:38 PM (yddCj)

368 I'll wait for you folks to dig up dirt on Gingrich...

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:39 PM (yddCj)

369 Calling Trump supporters (or really, anti-Establishment types) "Trumpkins" is a lot like Obama calling Tea Partiers "Teabaggers".

How's this: I hope Trump picks Gingrich for VP.
Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:30 PM (yddCj)
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Look, I am furious at Trump because he is damaging Conservatives that we need and fought for. Trump doesn't know how to control himself and may be too thin-skinned & not disciplined enough to be POTUS. I watch every debate and townhall waiting for substance. Really want him to succeed. Want to be able to proudly cast my vote if he were the nominee, but instead I just cringe. He sounds more like a Democrat every time he opens his mouth.
I wish he would realize that he needs other people that are Conservative behind him.
BTW-Gingrich would be a good choice for VP.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 09:48 PM (7GQM/)

370 Stephanie Cegielski, the former Trump super PAC head says he only wanted to place, not win. Then. surprise, he started winning some and got too big to ego-fail. Why learn yucky issues just to vent a little and go home?

Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 30, 2016 09:51 PM (Ndje9)

371 Still, I think people really think this way. And I also think that many women are uncomfortable with their previous abortions being branded, officially if not legally operatively, "murders."
Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)

Not me. Many women who have had an abortion (like me) have a change of heart afterward, often involving becoming a Christian. That what happened to me. And I face the fact that I murdered my child. Norma McCorvey (Roe; now a Christian), and Dr. Alveda King--both huge pro-life activists--accept the same about themselves.

Truth about one's sins is an essential part of being a Christian.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 30, 2016 09:54 PM (ys2UW)

372 369 Calling Trump supporters (or really, anti-Establishment types) "Trumpkins" is a lot like Obama calling Tea Partiers "Teabaggers".

How's this: I hope Trump picks Gingrich for VP.
Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:30 PM (yddCj)
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Look, I am furious at Trump because he is damaging Conservatives that we need and fought for. Trump doesn't know how to control himself and may be too thin-skinned & not disciplined enough to be POTUS. I watch every debate and townhall waiting for substance. Really want him to succeed. Want to be able to proudly cast my vote if he were the nominee, but instead I just cringe. He sounds more like a Democrat every time he opens his mouth.
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The conservative movement has been co-opted by the corporate/donor class. At this point, we either get a Trump to mix things up or we get a Hillary, and the whole thing goes down. The media will absolutely not let Cruz get away with his "Execute the gays" friends he's made. And Beck is not helping Cruz, either. My political calculus assumes, for the record, that Trump, Hillary, and Bernie are the only viable candidates running. Are any of them great? No. But if Trump connects the country's outcome to his personal reputation, we can assume that he'll at least try to do good. I will never vote for someone who has explicit globalist connections (e.g. Cruz, Bush, Goldman, etc etc).

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 09:56 PM (yddCj)

373 And I also think that many women are uncomfortable with their previous abortions being branded, officially if not legally operatively, "murders."
Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 07:01 PM (dciA+)
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It's why "infanticide" is still a law in Canada, from a time when male doctors thought the female psyche was so fragile that the pain of pregnancy and childbirth exculpated them from murder. Infanticide is lesser crime, and most don't even do jail time.

If the pro-life movement says that "abortion is murder" than the agents involved must then be murderers. But, it's been said before, saying the obvious can get you in a lot of trouble. The Left works very hard to get people to ignore the obvious around them. In fact, it's a trait of the leftist totalitarian governments.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 10:03 PM (yddCj)

374 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYjrHVTJ67c

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 10:05 PM (yddCj)

375 Trump might move the Overton Window on immigration - the wrong way. No politician will ever want to sound like Trump again.

Posted by: Global Warming made Trump a terrible candidate at March 30, 2016 10:05 PM (FFIoe)

376 pretty upset that he's clowning up the immigration issue.

******

I'm finding it hilarious, honestly. You wanted to burn it all down in a tantrum against "the Establishment," because you couldn't perceive anything was more terrible than them.

So now live with the choice you made. Enjoy the candidate who's not only going to lose, horribly, but make a total mockery of your singular issue.

Posted by: Vyce at March 30, 2016 10:05 PM (HI7nL)

377 Stephanie Cegielski, the former Trump super PAC head says he only wanted to place, not win. Then. surprise, he started winning some and got too big to ego-fail. Why learn yucky issues just to vent a little and go home?
Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 30, 2016 09:51 PM (Ndje9)
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I read that yesterday and found it very enlightening.
For anyone who hasn't read it I suggest you do. Of course Trump may threaten sue her.
Here is the link:

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 10:07 PM (7GQM/)

378 I'm finding it hilarious, honestly. You wanted to burn it all down in a tantrum against "the Establishment," because you couldn't perceive anything was more terrible than them.

So now live with the choice you made. Enjoy the candidate who's not only going to lose, horribly, but make a total mockery of your singular issue.
Posted by: Vyce at March 30, 2016 10:05 PM (HI7nL)
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How's life as an Establishment shill? Does it pay well? Does being pro-Cruz/anti-Trump really entail this kind of behavior?

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 10:13 PM (yddCj)

379 Your odds go to 2/3.

There are 3 possible outcomes (winning item is behind 1, 2, or 3), and 2 out of 3 times if you switch, you win.

Posted by: Mega at March 30, 2016 10:16 PM (JwLCI)

380 "In all fairness to Trump, he doesn't care about policy and isn't very smart."

In all fairness to Trump, logical and consistent responses to abortion have not been what either pro-life or pro-choice pressure groups have developed, because their view of women as either can-do-no-wrong pedestal queens or identity politics member ruins all logical approaches to the issue. If you were an honest, serious, consistent reactionary rather than a servile political commentator with prior political commitments, of course you'd punish women who procured abortion services.

But by and large, men who should rightfully be patriarchal law-layer-downers on this issue are currently the most popular C-word, by and large, so Trump had to walk back to the stated position. Much like a great many things you complain ineffectually about, it's your fault for being weak, not his fault for being temporarily honest.

"Enjoy the candidate who's not only going to lose, horribly, but make a total mockery of your singular issue."

The fact that immigration isn't seen as YOUR issue is both why you keep losing and why no one on the Trump side cares about your opinion.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 30, 2016 10:18 PM (61Gds)

381 @371
Baldilocks. Thank you. I am a woman who has been pro-life since I was young. I offered to raise the children as my own of friends contemplating abortions. It was never enough to change their minds, at the time. Some women I know who aborted their child had their own "WTF did I do" moments when they chose the next time to have the child. You are speaking what many people don't get to hear, that it's possible for people to realize what once was acceptable can change. You are proof that things can change for the better if we just keep trying to change it.

Posted by: Whippet at March 30, 2016 10:19 PM (YwQCs)

382 In the beginning we all grew to loathe the crooked cronyist establishment. Somewhere along the way a large contingent of proper thinking people were seduced by an authoritarian huckster with a combover. Trump has no problem with yuuuuge government. He admires the slaughter of humans desperate for freedom. Tianenman was strength.

Now you fine folks accuse us of being establishment shills ? Lolol the fuck ?

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 30, 2016 10:25 PM (FU9Rb)

383 Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 30, 2016 09:51 PM (Ndje9)
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I found this hilarious-
Re: Stephanie Cegielski,
"It pains me to say, but he is the presidential equivalent of Sanjaya on American Idol President Trump would be President Sanjaya in terms of legitamacy and authority.
And I am now taking full resposibility for helping create this monster."

Posted by: redridinghood at March 30, 2016 10:26 PM (7GQM/)

384 #380. You're awfully limber aren't you?

Posted by: Whippet at March 30, 2016 10:26 PM (YwQCs)

385 Also the only solution to this issue is increased emphasis on state's rights. Idgaf about abortion. I am uncomfortable being grouped in with folks who run around screaming it is murder. IMHO A little Libertarianism is the only thing that can save the Republican Party.

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 30, 2016 10:34 PM (FU9Rb)

386 Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 30, 2016 10:18 PM (61Gds)
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The pro-life movement is a cargo cult. The pro-choice movement wins. Both tend to view women as having no moral agency. Trump daring to say that women have moral agency is very dangerous in today's political environment because so much is built on the assumption that they don't.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 10:35 PM (yddCj)

387 IMHO A little Libertarianism is the only thing that can save the Republican Party.
Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 30, 2016 10:34 PM (FU9Rb)
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Otherwise known as ceding more to the Left in return for nothing.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 10:36 PM (yddCj)

388 I suppose ceding power to the states will advance leftist causes in leftist states. But so what ? What do you want in exchange for giving a little more freedom to states ? Local government is more representative that federal government.

If you do favor strong centralized government , you are supporting the right candidate. Unfortunately the man is an unelectable child with no self-control.

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 30, 2016 10:53 PM (FU9Rb)

389 386 Trump didn't "dare" to say anything. He didn't have a fonking clue, and he just barged right on in, head down and stupid, because that's all he ever does. He had no idea how stupid he was being, and lacked the insight to see where he had gotten himself. Then like the lying little pussy he actually is, he changed his mind.

He didn't "dare" anything. He was just DUMB.

Posted by: HiHo at March 30, 2016 11:03 PM (tCTRd)

390 389 386 Trump didn't "dare" to say anything. He didn't have a fonking clue, and he just barged right on in, head down and stupid, because that's all he ever does. He had no idea how stupid he was being, and lacked the insight to see where he had gotten himself. Then like the lying little pussy he actually is, he changed his mind.

He didn't "dare" anything. He was just DUMB.

Posted by: HiHo at March 30, 2016 11:03 PM (tCTRd)

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Let the hate flow through you.

And tell us how you really feel.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 11:06 PM (J3phO)

391 Unfortunately the man is an unelectable child with no self-control.
Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 30, 2016 10:53 PM (FU9Rb)
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I'd like your honest views on this: Do you think Cruz is more electable or less electable than Trump?

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 11:07 PM (J3phO)

392 388 I suppose ceding power to the states will advance leftist causes in leftist states.
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I'm talking about ceding in all states. That's basically what libertarianism is all about. (In practice, I don't care about what they think of themselves in theory.)

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 11:08 PM (J3phO)

393 Some of the above commenters have just got to to paid shills.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 30, 2016 11:14 PM (QYKC+)

394 got to be paid shills

I hit the post button too quickly, must be bedtime.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 30, 2016 11:15 PM (QYKC+)

395 You mistake contempt for hatred. The guy has been winging it from day one. "I'll make the Mexicans pay fer the wall!" "Only I can solve the problems1"...He's a loud mouthed narcissistic con man.

Posted by: HiHo at March 30, 2016 11:18 PM (tCTRd)

396 He's a loud mouthed narcissistic con man.
Posted by: HiHo at March 30, 2016 11:18 PM (tCTRd)
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See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 30, 2016 11:22 PM (J3phO)

397 396 No, it wasn't. That's what contempt looks like. Are you clear on the difference now?

Posted by: HiHo at March 30, 2016 11:24 PM (tCTRd)

398 Trump denounced all Super PACs. The chick who supposedly Saw The Light and wrote a long piece denouncing Trump because he is 'all about Trump' is conning many of you. Trump sent cease-and-desist letters to all Super PACs trying to affiliate themselves with his campaign. She probably never even met him.

So just like other blogger and pundit types who are completely bought off, like Erick Ericsson's garbage Resurgent site (paid with Cruz PAC money - look it up), Salem Media's many whore pundits, and on and on, this chick from the supposed Trump super PAC is a political operative. She was going to pull this stunt at some point; why not now?

It's all political theater, folks. Once you realize that most of what you are witnessing (and reading) is Oligarch kabuki, then you will be the better for it.

Posted by: Turkey OTooley at March 30, 2016 11:49 PM (kwHPo)

399 https://36.media.tumblr.com/83353dac3ac55b32209515b4efde2b01/tumblr_ny2r2f4VrD1rn35w3o1_1280.jpg

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 31, 2016 12:18 AM (J3phO)

400 397 396 No, it wasn't. That's what contempt looks like. Are you clear on the difference now?
Posted by: HiHo at March 30, 2016 11:24 PM (tCTRd)
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That's cute, but we were talking about hate.

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 31, 2016 12:18 AM (J3phO)

401 I'll ask the question of everyone:

I'd like your honest views on this: Do you think Cruz is more electable or less electable than Trump?

Posted by: Justice4Hillary at March 31, 2016 12:19 AM (J3phO)

402 Right..... The Ace-Meltdown Begins
Getting more like Megyn Kelly everyday!

Posted by: roger martin at March 31, 2016 01:58 AM (QQcLB)

403 Right..... Ace-Meltdown Begins
Getting more like Michelle Fields everyday!

Posted by: roger martin at March 31, 2016 02:04 AM (QQcLB)

404 Title to Article should be:
Matt Drudge holds the Ace-

Posted by: roger martin at March 31, 2016 02:39 AM (QQcLB)

405 For how long have people been griping that the GOPe needs to be torn down? And here is Trump, clearly able to do that. But Trump isn't good enough, because the only acceptable savior is someone who would be acceptable to the policy elite, with all their thinking and book learning. Did you really think your savior was going to take the form of a near perfect conservative? He's here to tear down the hated establishment. Nothing he says or does is of any consequence so long as he achieves the primary goal.

Posted by: Mr Black at March 31, 2016 02:53 AM (fr6nX)

406 "I'd like your honest views on this: Do you think Cruz is more electable or less electable than Trump?"

Cruz does better than Trump against Hillary in polls. It's not perfect evidence. But it's the only evidence we have.

Posted by: FOAF at March 31, 2016 04:05 AM (p0JMG)

407 Anybody who believes Cruz will do better in the general than Trump is a complete imbecile.
The media is licking their chops hoping for a Cruz come from behind win.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at March 31, 2016 05:33 AM (H7eLj)

408 I like Cruz, but the media and entertainment industry will destroy him like he was Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at March 31, 2016 05:38 AM (H7eLj)

409 When I ask five non-committal, non-politically engaged women from various economic and social groups that I happen to be acquainted with for their thoughts about Ted Cruz, and all five of them answer me with "There's something creepy about him" or variations of such, that's good enough anecdotal evidence to convince me that he wouldn't have a shot.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at March 31, 2016 05:43 AM (H7eLj)

410 Trump's not wrong in his initial statement, but he stepped on a mine (or
pulled a pin on a grenade) on a majorly touchy social issue he normally
stayed away from. In this society, the right to an abortion is the
pinnacle of feminine/feminist power - the ability to murder your child
(over a father's objection) for practically any reason under the sun
(and not just medical rationales).

So Trump's basic, poorly
vocalized thought is: if you are going to make abortion illegal (which
conservatives apparently support), then you have to punish people that
obtain them (shudder!). So, that means the doctor performing the
abortion, the woman obtaining it, and anyone paying for it (aiding
abetting). That's just logical, rational common sense procedure for law
enforcement. See Pennsylvania's Crimes Against the Unborn Act, that
punishes ANYONE ELSE for doing what the mother does (like a punch to the
womb from a guy on the street), but exempts the mother and a doctor for
the same action. So if you "ban abortions" but have no enforcement
mechanism, then the ban is one in name only, and might as well not
exist.

This reminds me of illegal immigration. We used to punish
the illegal immigrant, then we decided to really only punish the
businesses that hire them, and now we don't punish either and we have
ever-increasing illegal immigration, all in violation of existing law.
So, obviously here comes the push to eliminate the law.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at March 31, 2016 09:49 AM (i6shs)

411 "You're awfully limber aren't you?
"

My life plans didn't involve getting fat, happy, and dishonest in a dying country.

"The pro-life movement is a cargo cult. The pro-choice movement wins.
Both tend to view women as having no moral agency. Trump daring to say
that women have moral agency is very dangerous in today's political
environment because so much is built on the assumption that they don't."

If both sides are operating successfully and profitably on the same hidden assumption, then the true answer is probably "They don't." Not in the same sense that men do, at any rate. So, given that both sides have operated successfully on the same hidden assumption, why the hell do you think that sniping at Trump for operating under the same assumption is a winning strategy?

After all, there are a lot fewer men capable of/bloody-minded enough to perform abortions then there are women willing to be pressured into it at any given time. And I guarantee you that "Paul Hill was right" will be a much, MUCH less unpopular position than "Women must take responsibility for their own choices", especially once the media and political apparatus surrounding Planned Parenthood is crushed.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 31, 2016 10:01 AM (61Gds)

412 391: I think Cruz is more electable than Trump. At least he thinks before he speaks. Yes , the media will savage him but I think he will be able to coherently defend himself. He may not be most likable but I do not think anyone can question his intelligence.

The primary issue is the potential result. If Cruz wins, I do believe he will at least attempt to restore some Liberty and limit government overreach. Donald Trump doesn't even act interested in reducing the influence the federal government has over every aspect of our lives. He simply believes massive centralized power is best handled by the right person, himself.

I was a Rand Paul supporter but republicans were too busy swooning for Trump.

Electability is important but so is the result. If the person who wins will not advance the causes we claim to give a shit about , it does not matter if he is elected. Trump could set the Republican Party back more than Dubya.

Posted by: Jimmy Q. Rustler Esq at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (HQrp8)

413 Assume abortion is a crime , so whip and imprison women who seek abortions.
Fully utilize torture to extract information, outside the US for sure, internally ? we will see .
Suicide is a crime , imprison and torture anyone who seeks to commit suicide.
That will certainly help to make america great again .

Posted by: mr burns at March 31, 2016 05:32 PM (1Arcq)

414 Let's dispel with this notion that Ted Cruz isn't fully aware he will have to win a general election.

Seriously, the "oh they'll treat him like Palin and he has no chance!" assumption, along with the one that Trump will overcome his not-quite-yet-rock-bottom unfavorables with the general electorate and fare far better than Cruz in a general, require ignoring how smart as a whip Cruz is, the quality of campaign he's run thus far, and how awful Trump is at being a candidate who has to answer candid questions and explain his positions.

Sad!

Posted by: Maverick17 at March 31, 2016 07:03 PM (Bqy06)

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