Trump Will Make America Proud Again

After a PAC having nothing to do with Ted Cruz posted a Tweet of Melania's GQ cover with the suggestion that she was immoral for posing nude, and so you should vote for Cruz.

The group which tweeted this is Liz Mair's anti-Trump group. This is not secret information. It says it right at the bottom of the meme.

This picture wasn't particularly sensitive -- Melania had posed for it, and it was the GQ cover in 2000. Who knows -- it might have been Donald and Melania's first date.

In response to a picture that his wife had voluntarily posed for and which had nothing to do with Ted or Heidi Cruz, Trump tweeted this blackmail threat, then deleted it:

Trump just deleted this tweet pic.twitter.com/UDOMgLUXRE
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) March 23, 2016

As usual, Trump was completely uninformed and ignorant; the tweet was posted by a #NeverTrump PAC which plainly was pro-Rubio before Rubio dropped out.

It's not clear what he's trying to blackmail Heidi Cruz with, but it could be this kinda-minor seeming event in 2005 when she was picked up by a cop who thought she might be a "danger to herself."

Even knowing, beyond question, that neither Ted nor Heidi Cruz had anything to do with posting the Melania ad, Trump nevertheless returns to his comfort zone of attacking women's looks and bragging about the hot pussy his dad's money buys him:

"@Don_Vito_08: "A picture is worth a thousand words" @realDonaldTrump #LyingTed #NeverCruz @MELANIATRUMP pic.twitter.com/5bvVEwMVF8"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2016

He also retweeted this:

"@Kj11100Me: @realDonaldTrump Donald Trump will be greater president than Ragan. Trump will set the button for morality,Christianity.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2016

Let's hope, huh?

By the way: The glamour shot of Melania that Trump thinks it's so unfair to publish with the suggestiong that a woman posing for it is immoral is from GQ.

Ironically, this is the same magazine that published the Megyn Kelly black lingerie pictures -- which Trump fans have spent six months tweeting, to demonstrate that Megyn Kelly is immoral.

A useful test of a politician is the repulsiveness of the lies you have to tell on his behalf to support him.

Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Trump has exactly two business successes: Being successfully born to his mother, and successfully outliving his father.

He flaunts these major accomplishments to cover up the fact that he's stupid, lazy, uneducated, at least half-crazy, and ugly.

Posted by: Ace at 11:21 AM

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1 Is this thing on?

Posted by: redenzo at March 24, 2016 11:24 AM (WCnJW)

2 1st?

Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 11:24 AM (GSJcT)

3 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

It's getting harder and harder for Me to consider voting for trump...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:24 AM (O2RFr)

4 Pretty sure Trump was referring to an incident Heidi had with depression and the police, or maybe it's her time with Goldman Sachs, I dunno.

Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Seems extreme, but you do what you gotta do.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at March 24, 2016 11:24 AM (Nj2wY)

5 Vote for Hillary? KABOOM!!!

Posted by: redenzo at March 24, 2016 11:25 AM (WCnJW)

6 I feel like I'm leaning to the side here....

Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 11:25 AM (GSJcT)

7 @ace "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

???

Posted by: davisbr at March 24, 2016 11:25 AM (xk+SM)

8 I feel so slanty.

In all seriousness, I will never vote for Hillary, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Trump. I don't know why people think he is would be any improvement over Obama. They are both narcissists who cannot tolerate criticism or dissent.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 24, 2016 11:25 AM (3f9Oh)

9 Ace, you can always write in somebody like James Mattis if you want. Although if you're in NY it might not be worth it to vote in any of the races.

I'll be voting in WI because Ron Johnson might not be 100% doomed, you never know.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 24, 2016 11:26 AM (nKOXj)

10 A useful test of a politician is the repulsiveness of the lies you have to tell on his behalf to support him.

Oh, this is going to be a happy fun thread!

I've described myself as being on the TDS spectrum, I am now pegged at the upper end.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 11:26 AM (1xUj/)

11 My worst case scenario is Kasich, I may actually campaign for Hillary in order to flip my deep red state.

Trump is a no go for me either though, ill probably just stay at home.

Posted by: Cashin at March 24, 2016 11:26 AM (X2Wkv)

12 What the hell is it going to take for people to finally disavow me...

If its not the wife tweet I may have to kick a puppy next.

Please let me get the hell out of this race!!!

Posted by: Flabbergasted Trump at March 24, 2016 11:26 AM (n/0Nw)

13 Hill won't make the finish line. Biteme/Warren.

Posted by: redenzo at March 24, 2016 11:27 AM (WCnJW)

14 so Trumps wife takes fire (so to speak) and we expect the guy to sit and take it? And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with Cruz, we all there's back channel coordination between these things and the campaign.

Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 11:27 AM (GSJcT)

15 trolling your commenters again, eh?

Posted by: ladies and gentlemen, the Kansas City Chiefs !! at March 24, 2016 11:27 AM (/542q)

16 What the heck was the made-up name Ace used around the time the GOP debates were starting up?

That guy, or else Cake Girl.

Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2016 11:27 AM (3GAnN)

17 Well there we go. Vote for Hillary. She's a crook, and a liar, and she really doesn't give a shit about you or anyone like you, but hey, GOD HELP US, she's never been photographed nude without showing any actual naughty bits.

So there's that.

Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2016 11:27 AM (2Ocf1)

18 Melania was another Mail Order Bride, right?

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (MvFEq)

19 I can understand not voting for Trump, but voting for Hillary doesn't seem to be morally better. Voting third-party makes sense.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (xDm2N)

20 If it comes down to Hillary versus Trump in November, I will hold my nose and vote for Trump.

Not voting is how Adolf Hitler got elected.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (1ijHg)

21 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.
---
Normally, I'd snipe, but I'm voting a straight dem ticket if the gope steals the primary from Trump's voters.

So do whatever your conscience requires of you.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (ZbV+0)

22 There's always the Libertarians. Even for a protest vote, as I'm not always sure I'd want these guys running things.

As much as I dislike Trump, and won't be voting for him, I don't hate the country or the people. Only then would I vote for HRC.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (tSSSX)

23 If the choice is Trump vs. Clinton, I plan to write in Ronald Reagan. I figure Reagan's dead corpse would still be a better president than either of the two.

Posted by: Eric at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (JlJW4)

24 What about a vote for Boaty McBoatface?

Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (3GAnN)

25 And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with Cruz

It wasn't a real PAC, it's an unemployed political consulting girl who put it on the web. It's not even an "ad".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (1xUj/)

26 And people laughed at me when I said Trump got in at the request of the Clintons.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (Qvgg/)

27 I don't get Trump. He doesn't need to do this shit. He ought to be smiling and waving like Edward VII through the French crowds that hated his guts. Yet he can't stop.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (o+SC1)

28 I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Posted by: Ace at 11:21 AM
______

Ive thought about this a few times: is it worth voting Democrat to punish the GOP and its rotten candidates?

Personally I could never bring myself to do it. Thats just one step too far. Abstention has to be punishment enough.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (/gL1N)

29 OFF TOPIC

I have a review of the latest book from my favorite fantasy writer

Link in nic

RETURN TO TOPIC

Posted by: @votermom at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (cbfNE)

30 This should be a good and civil thread.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (gmeXX)

31 Beans status.

[X] Spilled.
[ ] Not spilled.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (Nwg0u)

32 17 I think you could say the exact same thing about trump.

Except maybe the nudes.

Posted by: Cashin at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (X2Wkv)

33 Someone needs to tell trump that twitter is not His friend...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (O2RFr)

34 What the heck was the made-up name Ace used around the time the GOP debates were starting up?

Karl Sternovich, or similar.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (1xUj/)

35 What the hell is it going to take for people to finally disavow me...

If its not the wife tweet I may have to kick a puppy next.

Please let me get the hell out of this race!!!

Well, having his wife crush a puppy with her stiletto shoes might still pick up one niche voting block.

The rest, not so much.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (rJOC2)

36 *Peeks in*

Oh, man!

*Backs out of room*

*Quietly shuts door*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (kTF2Z)

37 Depressing all the way around. I'm glad I'm not running a conservative political blog right now.

Posted by: iforgot at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (pC96u)

38 Magnificent Seven on TCM right now.Cincinnati Kid up next and than Bullitt at 4.

Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (B48dK)

39 I cannot imagine voting for Hillary Clinton, regardless of who she's running against.

At this point I feel like my vote is nothing more than a giant middle finger to the Left, but at least it's something.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (q1FtT)

40 Ace, watch the trailer from the next DSouza movie to cheer you up
https://youtu.be/r7e6gLht6OQ

Posted by: @votermom at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (cbfNE)

41 Ace, how long do you think the !Ready for Hillary! campaign would take to start attacking Cruz's wife?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (WVsWD)

42 If Melania Trump was a mail-order bride, how can I get on that catalogue's mailing list?

Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2016 11:31 AM (3GAnN)

43 Melania was another Mail Order Bride, right?

To paraphrase Redd Foxx, he opened his wallet & there she was.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2016 11:31 AM (rJOC2)

44 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Ace - I'm with you. Sucks but there we are.

mac :]

Posted by: macbrooks at March 24, 2016 11:31 AM (HdnUv)

45 BTW, the supreme court is one unfilled seat away from erasing the second amendment.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2016 11:31 AM (Qvgg/)

46 Also, I'm now to the point where part of me hopes that Trump *does* get the nomination so that I can get out of the Republican Party once and for all - I'd love to be able to say "not my circus, not my monkeys" if and when the trainwreck of the Trump general election campaign starts up.

There's a GOP schism coming up and since our chances of winning in 2016 are all but zero at this point, might as well get it over with.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 24, 2016 11:31 AM (nKOXj)

47 This thread is going to end well.

Before the comments close, tell my wife I love her.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 24, 2016 11:31 AM (datdl)

48 1. Whoever initially created that was an a-hole.

2. It was galactically stupid for him to re-tweet it.

3. The Megyn Kelly photo thing was in response to her BS "war on women" question and all of the white knighting that was going on afterwards. It was about hypocrisy, not immorality.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (JxMoP)

49 Reggie Van Dough 2016

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (MvFEq)

50 You gotta do what you gotta do, I guess. Not a big fan of
Trump, but the way he's getting the leftards to tie themselves in knots makes me want to pull the lever. I may end up writing in Rand Paul, but who knows.

Posted by: Strabo at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (PnBkq)

51 43 Melania was another Mail Order Bride, right?

To paraphrase Redd Foxx, he opened his wallet & there she was.

She's starting to look a little tired.... Maybe time for a new one....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (O2RFr)

52 21 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.
---
Normally, I'd snipe, but I'm voting a straight dem ticket if the gope steals the primary from Trump's voters.

So do whatever your conscience requires of you.

====

What's your threshhold?

If Trump doesn't reach the delegate count, and the convention gives the nom to someone else, is that "stealing" the nom?

Is Cruz so anathema to your values and political beliefs that you could never vote for him against HRC?

How twitchy is your finger to go and start punching buttons for Dems? Are you just looking for an excuse?

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (tSSSX)

53 Not going to tell anyone how they should vote. Do what you gotra' do.

But you can bet your ass i'm googling "megyn kelley gq" as soon as i post this !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (zfvHs)

54 I'm settled in on Never Trump, but never Hillary either.
Libertarian perhaps, but I will skip that one and go on to the undercard.,

Posted by: IP at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (aQQbl)

55 ronically, this is the same magazine that published the Megyn Kelly black lingerie pictures which Trump fans have spent six months tweeting, to demonstrate that Megyn Kelly is immoral.

We posted the hell out of it here because we thought it was hawt and she had not yet shown her very liberal colors.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (vvmPQ)

56 I may write in The Re-Animated Corpse of Gary Coleman.

http://bit.ly/1PGr4Qr

He may smell like formaldehyde, but this revenant understands pain.

It's not like my vote is likely to make a difference. Thanks, lockstep neighbors!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (bLnSU)

57 Trump is embarrassing.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (mibPO)

58 nice temper tantrum. you sound hysterical.

Posted by: mike at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (6Co4D)

59 Melania looks like Marilyn Manson without the make-up.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (MvFEq)

60 Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (1ijHg)

ISWYDT, NTTAWWT.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (rJOC2)

61 This sh#tshow was started by sketchy consultant Liz Mair, right? Thank's a lot, wench.

Trump's tweets are obnoxious. Or I should say: continue to be obnoxious.

Also, I don't care about Melania or Heidi. At all. Why is anyone taking the bait on this, especially Trump?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (NOIQH)

62 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (GwIKd)

63 I'm not thrilled with this either but Turnip was defending his wife in a best-defense-good-offense way.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (Nwg0u)

64 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Ok, I said the same thing on the ONT, then went back to bed, When I looked this morning, my comment had been deleted and people were discussing me as if I were a new troll. I've been here since at least 2004.

I don't blame the mod who deleted it, because they're all striving to maintain some standards here and doing their best.

However, can we just agree that is ok to criticize Trump here? Not his supporters, many of whom are good folks, but the candidate himself?

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (ozZau)

65 An all time trolling of a voter base is not ending up necessarily like I was hoping...the Apprentice was up for cancellation and all I wanted was a way to get my ratings back up.

You're killing me people!!

Posted by: Flabbergasted Trump at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (n/0Nw)

66 And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with
Cruz, we all there's back channel coordination between these things and
the campaign.

Posted by: Tradd

Damning evidence of coordination, which is illegal by the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (TJCSB)

67 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Ace - I'm with you. Sucks but there we are.

---------

I won't go full Ace. I won't vote for either.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (gmeXX)

68 I know it's Holy Week, but have we chased off FenelonSpoke?

Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (3GAnN)

69 The same sentiment occurred to me this morning. It astounded me. But here we are.

Posted by: Chuck in IL at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (E5DvK)

70
Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Your vote is your own, of course, Ace. And I understand your being repulsed by Trump. I support the guy and he disgusts me, too (since I've come to the conclusion that Cruz won't get the nom).

But, really - you would vote for Hillary Clinton?

I guess you've decided to embrace the LiB Lifestyle after all.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (X6fMO)

71 On the cover, no real man would kick her out of bed for eating crackers. . .unless he was married to someone else, in which case she would not be in his bed in the first place.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (vvmPQ)

72 Vote for Hillary?!?

My God, Ace, put down the bottle of Valu-Rite Vodka!

Posted by: scrood at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (3b9U4)

73 I will vote for Cruz if he is nominated, and he his wife remind me of my worst relatives (and I am not kidding)!

Posted by: Baldy at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (1SCTq)

74 This has been my primary hangout since TFG was elected. I needed the laughs and appreciate them more than you know.

Guess I have to go look at memes posted in Weasel Zippers to anesthetize the pain of the last 7 years.

Posted by: Valiant at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (3MiF8)

75 It could be worse.

It could have been Hillary posing nude. How would THAT have affected your vote?

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (iIzG7)

76 Thankfully, for once, My vote doesn't count anyway here in CA.

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (O2RFr)

77 I'm leaning towards sitting this one out.

Posted by: brak at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (MJuTN)

78 "And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with Cruz, we all there's back channel coordination between these things and the campaign. "

Prove it.

Oh, you can't? Because it's an asinine conspiracy theory you invented on the spot to excuse your politically ignorant hero's stupidity?

Huh.

Posted by: Apostate at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (50Y3a)

79 Can't really say I'd "never" vote for the Midget Digits. but he's running out of time to start acting like a rational, well-balanced human being.

Posted by: spongeworthy at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (mrfTe)

80 >>>14 so Trumps wife takes fire (so to speak) and we expect the guy to sit and take it? And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with Cruz, we all there's back channel coordination between these things and the campaign.

Posted by: Tradd

...

there you go -- we'll make up whatever lies are necessary to defend The Leader.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

81 Still voting for either Trump or Cruz in November

Posted by: @votermom at March 24, 2016 11:35 AM (cbfNE)

82 No Ace, say it ain't so.... I cannot stand Trump but I despise Hillary, we are doomed either way but you can't vote for her, write in Mickey Mouse or just don't vote.

Posted by: Liz O at March 24, 2016 11:35 AM (SWEn6)

83 No Ace, say it ain't so.... I cannot stand Trump but I despise Hillary, we are doomed either way but you can't vote for her, write in Mickey Mouse or just don't vote.

Posted by: Liz O at March 24, 2016 11:35 AM (SWEn6)

84 mmmmmmm...Megyn Kelly lingerie pictures. *drools*

Posted by: Homer J. Simpson at March 24, 2016 11:35 AM (BDZWU)

85 Looking at the top two pix, I'm already proud, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Puzzled Dolphin at March 24, 2016 11:35 AM (uTEYr)

86 Ace,

Please for love of what's left of your country don't vote for Hillary.

If Trumpertantrum is really more offensive to you than that straight up evil bitch please protest vote Libertarian or not vote at all.

I know Trump has more issues than Time magazine and the best we can hope for is a repeat of Phineas Taylor Barnum's political career in Connecticut, but to say Hillary, with all of her crimes and character flaws, is really better to the point of deserving your vote.....Hells NO!

Let's face it at this point the GOP is dead, the DNC is really the CPUSA in drag, and the whole world is going to shit. The question is when, or if, civilization can ever recover from the shitstorm which is going to go down in the next decade or so.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (r6ujM)

87 Stop ragan on me!

Posted by: Trumpy at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (FkBIv)

88 Trump has successfully decimated* my love of politics. Both embarrassing on his own, and in bringing out so many mouth breathers. (Ragan?)

* I'm left with 90%, if anyone's keeping score

Posted by: The_invisible_hand at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (iYxmo)

89 Ok ... Google done.

Megyn does look nice - but i like her better with short hair.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (zfvHs)

90 I quite admire Melania, other than her choice in sugardaddies.

She speaks a half dozen languages, uses complete sentences in each, and sounds smart and responsible.

I hate Trump with a hate that comes from deep inside the bowels of my hate bowels. The only thing I respect about him is that he seems to have hung on to a substantial woman for a decade or so.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (1xUj/)

91 One benefit of living in California is that it doesn't matter who I vote for. So I will write in "Deez Nuts" for president, and have a clean conscience.

Posted by: wooga at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (xvIw/)

92 And by voting for Hillary the lesson for GOPe is.......? Profit?

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (zOTsN)

93 BigMcLrgHuge
@BigMcLrgHuge

PRETTY EASY TO SPILL THE BEANS WHEN YOU CAN'T PALM ONE

Posted by: spongeworthy at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (mrfTe)

94 I think the PAC may have been two steps ahead on this.

It's not that Melania, a model, posing in cheesecake photos is any big deal. It was a push/pull thing, probably hammered out with research data.

I think they gambled that it would prompt Trump to over-react, exposing his own character. In that sense, it worked exactly as expected. And more so.

Trump just shows himself to be exactly who I thought he was: a man of relatively low character.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (tSSSX)

95
Before the comments close, tell my wife I love her.
Posted by: El Kabong

*rolls over*

*nudges your wife*

Hey honey, your husband says he loves you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (kdS6q)

96 83 comments and nobody has said they would hit that so hard that whomever pulled him out would be crowned King of England?

It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (CS7jF)

97 She's a fine looking woman. I don't know who that is supposed to offend, maybe prudish women and gays?
This Liz lady is a real piece of work, and so is the "Stop Trump" brigade. It just proves that the GOP knows how to fight red in tooth and claw, but only internally.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (kKHcp)

98 Madame President.

Posted by: Zeno at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (mk1E9)

99
Cruzshould have come out and said he had nothing to do with this PAC but he doesn't want his name associated with this type of attack.His name was on the ad.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (lKyWE)

100 I know it's Holy Week, but have we chased off FenelonSpoke?

Rush season in some businesses. Like the start of April for tax preparers.

So a priest takes his car in for a tune-up, and the mechanic says, "Sorry Padre, I can't get to you for a day or two. Everybody's getting ready for vacation and they need everything fixed that went bad all winter long. I don't know why people don't prepare more for a trip they know they're about to take."

And the priest goes, My son, we have the same problem where I work.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (xq1UY)

101 So Tweeting about Mrs Cruz is worse than covering up rapes trashing women? I suppose there is a point in that, but at least stay home, don't vote for Hillary!

Posted by: Baldy at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (1SCTq)

102 I'm already planning on to voting for the Dem here to ensure Kirk is out (and debating the same for Davis), so i understand the sentiment.

Still on the presidential front the question remains: is Trump a ringer trying to crash things enough to ensure Hillary's coronation, or just so completely out of his league.

Our best hope is a contested convention looks at the never made it out of the gate canidates. A Perry or Walker could unite the conservatives our "betters"...
And lead to the 3rd party run Trump has wanted to do since day one as a ringer

Posted by: HowardDevore at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (ybbeI)

103 This has been my primary hangout since TFG was elected. I needed the laughs and appreciate them more than you know.

Guess I have to go look at memes posted in Weasel Zippers to anesthetize the pain of the last 7 years

I check out the tweets at Protein Wisdom, though I'm not sure that him & Ace are on speaking terms.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (rJOC2)

104 100 posts in and I'm first to confirm: I'd hit it.

Posted by: wooga at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (xvIw/)

105 Don't worry, you don't have to take the dreadful action of actually pulling the lever for the Big H.

History tells us that if you don't vote, your vote will be counted for her anyway!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 11:37 AM (bLnSU)

106 >>>
3. The Megyn Kelly photo thing was in response to her BS "war on women" question and all of the white knighting that was going on afterwards. It was about hypocrisy, not immorality.

what nonsense. How is "hypocrisy" that she posed for glamor shots, unless you're claiming that's a "War on Women" itself, which is a way to claim it's immoral?

The knots one has to tie oneself into to defend this psychopathic monster.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (dciA+)

107 Trump just shows himself to be exactly who I thought he was: a man of relatively low character.

And lack of self-control.... Can't wait to see what He would do in a National security situation...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (O2RFr)

108 Ace bringing ONT content to the day! Kaplah!

Posted by: Draki at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (lNK80)

109 "Please let me get the hell out of this race!!!"

Well, when you enter the race with the unspoken intention of plowing the road for your Clinton buddies, you have to be prepared for crap like this to happen.

I gotta admit, Trump's ability to fool conservatives and 2nd Ammendment advocates into relentlessly mocking and personally destroying a man with the track record of Ted Cruz is breathtaking. I've never seen the like.

Posted by: Jaws at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (oOw3I)

110 Sorry, but Trump is a lowlife, a nutter and a pig. There's something wrong with him.

The tweet before his disgusting attack on Cruz's wife was just incoherent:
" @realDonaldTrump Donald Trump will be greater president than Ragan. Trump will set the button for morality,Christianity."

WTF does that even mean?

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (ozZau)

111 I couldn't vote for Hillary, but I will not vote for Trump.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (MvFEq)

112 Seems more relevant than ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

Posted by: Bob at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (9UDPR)

113 OT: Ft Gordon: during a security drill, someone didn't get the word it was a drill and called 911 to report an active shooter.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (uiwCw)

114 Trump married a mannequin?

Posted by: Zeno at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (mk1E9)

115 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

===============

Trump's really expanding that tent by pushing out conservatives and welcoming Democrats, isn't he?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (rJSDb)

116 Conservatives 2009-2015: I wish we had leaders who will not be such pussies and fight back against Obama. Our weak GOPe leaders are afraid of offending anyone on the left. For crying out loud, politics is a street fight, not some gentleman's sport.

2015: Hello, I am Donald Trump and my entire campaign will be one of I don't give a fuck who I offend. I will fight like hell with everything I have. They bring a knife, I bring a fucking Howitzer to the fight.

2016: (clutching pearls tightly) OMG this Trump is such a meanie. How dare he go on the offensive? We need respectable leaders like Kasich and Romney who appreciate that politics is a gentleman's game and no some street fight. There is no room for the boorish behavior of Mr. Trump.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (0LHZx)

117 A local talk show guy said Trump was referencing Heidi Cruz's battle with depression. As someone who battled that, I personally believe throwing that out there is reprehensible.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (gA69l)

118 Is Cruz so anathema to your values and political beliefs that you could never vote for him against HRC?
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Leo @ 52, I think there's 0% chance gope goes with Cruz. They don't care about electability or principle, they just want to assert that they're in control of something. Absent the consent of the governed, they are nothing, and need to be taught that.

Democrats are unteachable so there's no point trying to teach them a lesson by voting against them or their interests.

Now if I'm wrong and Trump is "bad" enough to scare the gope straight for the first time in, well, ever, and the convention goes to Cruz, well that's an entirely different ballgame. I'm not supporting Trump for the sake of Trump, after all.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (ZbV+0)

119 So you're claiming the PAC's tweet was an endorsement and not an attack aimed at affecting the Faithful?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (ioqGj)

120 83 comments and nobody has said they would hit that so hard that whomever pulled him out would be crowned King of England?

We shouldn't have to. Some things are patently obvious.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (cHQtB)

121 This thread is gonna be GREAT!

Posted by: Flounder at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (/hjIh)

122 Welcome to the dark side, Ace. Here, have some gin and a doggie biscuit.

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (8ZskC)

123 We're gonna need a long form blog post on what we/Ace will do if it's Trump v Clinton.

Posted by: Draki at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (lNK80)

124 "I'm not thrilled with this either but Turnip was defending his wife in a best-defense-good-offense way."

'Hey, that guy over there put up a picture of my wife that was published in magazines! I'm going to pretend this other guy did it instead, because that's politically useful to me, and use it as cover for "retaliation" to attack innocent parties.'

That is not, in any way, 'defending his wife.'

Posted by: Apostate at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (50Y3a)

125 Active shooter San Diego naval hospital.

Posted by: redenzo at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (WCnJW)

126 >>>99
Cruzshould have come out and said he had nothing to do with this PAC but he doesn't want his name associated with this type of attack.His name was on the ad.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic a

right and he sure had a lot of time to do so before trump tried to blackmail his wife, huh?

Trump has ADD and sits on Twitter all fucking day -- you know, like Really Successful Men Who Didn't Just Inherit Daddy's Money Do.

Who the fuck has time to beat him to a tweet?

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (dciA+)

127 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

I understand where you're coming from with this Ace, I think this is a calculus that everyone will have to do come November. I personally have major major misgivings about Trump, but if he has one redeeming quality, its that he's not Hillary.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (t06LC)

128 Gary Johnson has never felt like less of a throwaway vote.
#FeelTheJohnson

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (+2Kz2)

129 Before the comments close, tell my wife I love her.
Posted by: El Kabong

she kno-o-o-o-ows

Posted by: Ground Control at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (nFwvY)

130 1) Going after family members for political gain is a big no-no.
2) We all know that campaigns can communicate with PACs indirectly and tell them to take down a particularly inflammatory ad. It has happened before, so Cruz just looks bad for pretending he had absolutely no control over this.
3) Heidi put herself in the public square by dumping on Trump.
4) Trump hits back.

Notice that the first 3 times are ALL Cruz controlled items. Number 4 came after 1, 2 and 3.

I found the Twitter post silly, but didn't bother me at all after Cruz's 1, 2, 3.

Posted by: K-E at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (XI2IF)

131 Another historic election for the Democrats, I guess.

Posted by: Zeno at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (mk1E9)

132 If this election is going to come down to a comparison of the candidates' spouses, Hillary is in deep shit.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (iIzG7)

133 I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

That'll certainly calm things down.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (DL2i+)

134 For all the problems with Trump, how many people has he gotten killed, and how many state secrets has he shared?

I shake my head at some of his ridiculous tweets/statements too, but are they really as harmful as what Clinton has done/been involved in over the past 20 years?

Posted by: johnny at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (Jub2B)

135 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Ace - I'm with you.

Bunk.

I caused this. i wreaked havoc and shit on my base. I allowed a celebrity business guy to take out four of my Chosen ones.

this is worse than the time my Smartest Guy in Delaware got his ass kicked by a witch.

And now? Your best hope is that I flush, change and/or break every single one of my rules to kill off this interloper.

Remember when I fucked over the legitimate primary winners and you bleated about It?

Now, you're begging me to do it. I may be stupid, but I remember the tea party shit, and challenging incumbents.

You, I will gladly fight.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (326rv)

136 well I assume ace's vote, like those of many here, is utterly meaningless in any case, due to where they live.

It's amazing how much your junk mail drops off when you de-register.

But voting for Hillary? Incomprehensible.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (QDnY+)

137 68
I know it's Holy Week, but have we chased off FenelonSpoke?

Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2016 11:33 AM (3GAnN)

IIANM he is a preacher and if he is like my older brother who is deeply involved in the church he is probably very very busy this week.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (vvmPQ)

138
I'm already planning on to voting for the Dem here to ensure Kirk is out

Vote Gorn!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (FkBIv)

139 I mean we gotta go 3rd party if Trump wins right? Like the GOP has to go the way of the Whig doesn't it?

Posted by: Bob at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (9UDPR)

140 Yeah, a NSFW or below the fold thing would have been helpful here.

Just a suggestion.

Posted by: WTP at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (W2YA6)

141
Get the tranq gun!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (iQIUe)

142 I was guilty of showing this to the ONTers and then fell asleep. Sorry guys!

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (mibPO)

143 This thread is gonna be GREAT!

Posted by: Flounder at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (/hjIh)

Only until they start looting the Food King.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (8ZskC)

144 Cruzshould have come out and said he had nothing to
do with this PAC but he doesn't want his name associated with this type
of attack.His name was on the ad.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

He already said he had nothing to do with the ad or whatever it was.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (TJCSB)

145 I get not voting for Trump. He's horrible.

I don't get voting for Hillary. She's horrible. And she's not horrible but better than Trump, except perhaps at concealing the extent of her horribleness, which I'm not sure matters ultimately.

I'll probably just sit the election out, dreaming all the while about my fantasy voting system that would allow voters to cast their vote either for a candidate or against a candidate.

Posted by: Kensington at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (QKzob)

146

Not to sound like mom, but I hope you all can avoid personal attacks in what promises to be a knock down drag out thread.

I would never EVER vote for Hillary, but that's just me. I don't care if her opponent were the devil himself.

Posted by: Max Power at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (QCc6B)

147 I'm glad I have been around here long enough to know that Ace is not actually going to follow through on a vote for Hillary over Trump. He's smart enough to know that a President Hillary represents a valid legal threat to him and his livelihood if not liberty.

There is literally nothing you can accuse Trump of being, which Hillary has not done, and far, far worse.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (39g3+)

148
But voting for Hillary? Incomprehensible.

I will not vote for Her....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:40 AM (O2RFr)

149 Oh, for the record, I think the Melania photos are fan-freakin-tastic. I also will never ever vote for Hillary Clinton. I may stay home, but I will not vote for Cankles.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (gA69l)

150 128 Gary Johnson has never felt like less of a throwaway vote.
#FeelTheJohnson
Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:39 AM (+2Kz2)

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Endorsed. If he wins the Libertarian nomination, that is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (rJSDb)

151 Was going to fisk #116, then saw who posted it and realized a response would be a bigger waste of effort than voting for John Katshit.

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (+2Kz2)

152 NRO makes the case for voting for Trump over Hilary. Next to Obama, Hilary will be the most unimpeachable president ever. Trump if elected will be the most easily impeachable President. So we need to insist on a good VP.
Someone like Kasich, maybe?

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (C2qeR)

153 hit that so hard that whomever pulled him out would be crowned King of England?
--Sharkman

Voivode of Kiev, in this case, I think.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (xq1UY)

154
Preznint Ragan? Perhaps he meant Raglan -- yuuuge sweater guy

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: 'Who Decides?' at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (BK3ZS)

155
83 comments and nobody has said they would hit that so hard that whomever pulled him out would be crowned King of England?

It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Meh. I certainly wouldn't show her the door if I found her in my bed, but there's something about her face that I don't care for. Too - well, I guess calculating is the word I want. The sort of high-priced Monaco Formula One call girl look.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (X6fMO)

156 Ban Bait post?

It going to be a hell of war.

Posted by: Pebbles and Ban Ban at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (NnS0Q)

157 Trump is exactly what the republican party and the country needs.

Maybe if the right had tried pushing back years ago, this type of thing could have been done in more measured steps, but not now.

When the enemy brings a knife, you bring a gun.

If you shoot a few innocents occasionally, that's the breaks.

Trump has had more shit directed at him than just about anyone since Sarah Palin. He has the absolute correct attitude, which is fuck everyone.

Hit back. Hit back hard. Never apologize.

Even if you hit the wrong target, the people who aimed at you in the first place will learn that no attack will go unanswered or unpunished in Spades.

This is guy I want running the country. Not some Mewling Quim.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (Zs4uk)

158 You know Ace has a good point about the dishonesty of Trump here. It is more brazen than Clinton.

Trump can't fake ignorance about not knowing this was a PAC separate from Cruz. It's a deliberate attack and lie on Cruz.

I'm beginning to wonder if I will vote for Trump if he's up against clinton anymore.

Posted by: Draki at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (kkOK3)

159 I gotta admit, Trump's ability to fool conservatives and 2nd Ammendment advocates into relentlessly mocking and personally destroying a man with the track record of Ted Cruz is breathtaking. I've never seen the like.

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It is confounding.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (gmeXX)

160 And lack of self-control.... Can't wait to see what He would do in a National security situation...

That smoking crater that used to be Medina? .......

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2016 11:41 AM (cHQtB)

161 Trump deleted his original tweet then retweeted it with the words 'lyin ted' in it.

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (v0/PR)

162 And this is exactly why I don't like Ted Cruz.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (0LHZx)

163 There is literally nothing you can accuse Trump of being, which Hillary has not done, and far, far worse.

True. True.

But voting for Trump isn't just a vote against Hillary, it's an endorsement of Trump and his tactics. I cannot do that.

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (+2Kz2)

164 89 Megyn does look nice - but i like her better with short hair.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 11:36 AM (zfvHs)

Pull your man card and discard it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (vvmPQ)

165
Trump has had more shit directed at him than just about anyone since Sarah Palin. He has the absolute correct attitude, which is fuck everyone.

BS.... The media has been pretty easy on trump.... They want Him as the Rep. nominee....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

166 I won't vote for Trump.
I won't vote for Hillary either.

It's a good thing I've given up hope of a political solution to the size and scope and direction of government. Even Reagan could only flat-lined much of it before it started it's upward spiral again.

Posted by: gwelf at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (nyxv/)

167 Actually if Trump accomplishes a thin fraction of what Denninger posits it'll be worth many times the buffoonishness. But there's scant evidence to go on.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (DL2i+)

168 I thought Trump supporters were the ones that were all emotional-ly and needed safe spaces because they were throwing temper trumptums. If a vote for Hillary doesn't scream out of some bizarro SJW reverse ninja activism I don't know what does.
Don't vote because you refuse to show support for DT. Fine. Vote for some other weirdo third party downline candidate with a farts chance in a windstorm of garnering more than a few percentage points that adheres more closely to your views in protest. Fine.

But vote for Hillary? That's low, dirty, gross, counterproductive, ridiculous, and I don't understand it.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (1H9ox)

169 >>She's a fine looking woman. I don't know who that is supposed to offend, maybe prudish women and gays?

If I had to guess, this was a bit of "slut-shaming" the young feminists are so quick to whine about.

Honestly have no idea what the intended response was except possibly pissing off Trump. And if so, mission accomplished!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (NOIQH)

170 I come here for the hard hitting impotent news.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (OvUux)

171 If we're allowed to blame Trump for his supporters' behavior at rallies, we are more than allowed to blame Cruz for his SuperPAC's ads.

Cruz is sleazy and a dirty campaigners, as is Trump. The difference is, Cruz wears the mantle of Real Christian. I'll take Trump's dirt over Cruz's any day.

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (eXTZt)

172 I hire the best people.

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (mcm0N)

173
#FeelTheJohnson
Posted by: V the K

Hugh Betcha!

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (FkBIv)

174 Trump is exactly what the republican party and the country needs.

Hit back. Hit back hard. Never apologize.

Yeah, but we were sorta hopin' that would be against Hillary and Obama, not Ted Cruz

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (+2Kz2)

175 FYI, here is proof (Gingrich in the 2012 primary) that a campaign can communicate to a PAC when an ad is offensive and get them to stop:

http://tinyurl.com/hdnokko

Cruz comes across as a liar when he says that he has no control over what PACs do. Yes, he does. But he knew this particular ad would help him in Utah, so he pretended he could do nothing. Pathetic.

Posted by: K-E at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (XI2IF)

176 I keep looking at Gary Johnson starting his presidential run. I would like to see Libertarians make a principled showing.

So far, I'm worried that he looks a little stoned, and he is one of those guys who likes to wear Nikes with a sportcoat.

I have an alert for every time Gary Johnson is in the news, and I admit my sphincter puckers as I think: "please don't be too weird! please don't be too weird! please don't be too weird!"

I think anyone who has contemplated voting Libertarian must have experienced this.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (tSSSX)

177 That picture of Melania is smoking hot.

Posted by: Kensington at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (QKzob)

178 Hillary stood beside a Warrior's family on the tarmac as his remains were brought back. She looked them in the eye and lied. Fuck her. I'll vote for whomever is on the ticket to defeat that bitch.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (jsWA8)

179 That's a fine looking woman.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (Fmupd)

180 Just keep in mind that if you, by default, allow Clinton to be elected, the country as we know it is finished. Say goodbye to any form of capitalism, freedom from big brother's spies, freedom of speech, and the right to own firearms.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (Qvgg/)

181 Personally I could never bring myself to do it. Thats just one step too far. Abstention has to be punishment enough.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad

What if St. Peter approves this message.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (DL2i+)

182 I'd vote for a gawt damned organ grinder's monkey before I'd vote for Hillary, and yes, I know the polls show an organ grinder's monkey would crush every candidate on both sides in all 50 states, plus flip Guam, AND I saw the Organ Grinder's Monkey open for Solid Gold Dumpster Fire at the Iowa State Fair last year.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (q1FtT)

183 Except when it comes to this soft serve hairdo--that--I do myself.

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (mcm0N)

184 it's not like Trump will start WW3 because Bill Clinton gets some strange pussy. and Bill Clinton will get some strange pussy.

Posted by: x at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (nFwvY)

185 I wouldn't for Hillary no matter what, never, ever, ever. Do you want to hear that voice for the next eight years?

Posted by: microcosme at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (8QCtS)

186 Maybe Trump will grow in office.

Maybe Cruz will be drawn deeper into a Twitter flame war, e.g. "When Donald takes his Viagra, he gets taller."

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (9irRB)

187 Second look at Gary Johnson?

Eh, probably not.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (4WhSY)

188 2016: (clutching pearls tightly) OMG this Trump is such a meanie. How dare he go on the offensive? We need respectable leaders like Kasich and Romney who appreciate that politics is a gentleman's game and no some street fight. There is no room for the boorish behavior of Mr. Trump.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

Uh, no. We already HAVE assholes that will fight each other and us. We need him to attack our enemies, and we have a shit ton of those.

And a hearty fuck you to the PAC that lit off this fuse.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (326rv)

189 I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton

Logical.

Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (3U4+k)

190 Ace, I'm down with this not voting at all business. I used to think that it was my duty, my obligation to vote. But if the people or TPTB decide that I get to chose between Trump or Canckles then I choose None Of The Above.

After all if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

(Yea, I stole that from Neil Peart....)

Posted by: TehAdmiral at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (QdiIQ)

191 I think, respectfully, you have completely lost the forest for the trees.

You are affirmatively stating that Trump is the worst of the worst over personal nastiness (which is par for the course in politics), and then saying that you would rather vote for the felonious, utterly corrupt, and socialist Hillary Clinton--who is not to mention a character assassin that Trump could never hope to compete with. I don't find these positions consistent.

Posted by: wte9 at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (xYr9U)

192 Raise your hand if you think Cruz wasn't aware of this attack?

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (eXTZt)

193 I think Melania looks as mannish as Giselle.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (MvFEq)

194 BS.... The media has been pretty easy on trump.... They want Him as the Rep. nominee....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

The media spent the first 5 months laughing at the very thought of Trump as president.

That's not support.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (Zs4uk)

195 >>>
Honestly have no idea what the intended response was except possibly pissing off Trump. And if so, mission accomplished!

it was an exceedingly stupid and low-class thing to do, but the idea was probably to rile up super-socially-conservative people in Utah.

that doesn't make it right -- but that's probably the reason.

Cruz wound up winning with 68% or something so you can see how pointless this was.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (dciA+)

196 . Do you want to hear that voice for the next eight years?

Better get used to it...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (O2RFr)

197 ...at least, in those photos.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (MvFEq)

198 I think Trump actually has people tweet for him. Doesn't excuse it. It's disgusting. They both are, but it's not presidential in the least. Trump has low character

But I don't think he would let a consulate burn and let men calling for assistance die and go to sleep

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (zOTsN)

199 Trump is horrible, Hillary is evil in a pantsuit.

Maybe Trump would put in a not awful SCOTUS pick. Hillary damn sure would.

Scalia made me vote Trump.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (t06LC)

200 Ace, I completely understand your disgust at Trump, believe me. But I would urge you not to vote for Hillary. I would vote for a third party instead, that is what I am planning on doing if it winds up being Trump vs. Hillary.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (+Fl7e)

201 Ban Bait post?

Effin' A it is, and no way I'm out. Nossir, staying right in here.
I've never been in a Downfall overdub before. It's my big break!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (xq1UY)

202 Did anyone here read Balloon Juice before it went left?

The guy was a pretty solid conservative, not down the line but, you know, solid. Then he grew very disgusted with the right, specifically social cons, over the Terry Schiavo case, and before long his leftist trolls were his allies, and his regular commenters were his allies. I stayed awhile, it fell off my regular reads, and when I checked back he'd gone full left.

Something similar seems to have happened to my sister, who was a staunch Reaganite back in the day, but by 2012 was supporting John (Do you find Republicans creepy and off-putting? So do I!) Huntsman, and now posts crap from Go Left America to her Facebook.

I never worried about Ace until this post, when he mentioned conceivably voting for Hillary. I just had a nightmare vision of Ace joining the Left, driven there by the pro-Trump right.

As for me: Go, Gary Johnson 2016!

Posted by: JPS at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (qhvBQ)

203 The media spent the first 5 months laughing at the very thought of Trump as president.

And rightly so....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (O2RFr)

204 #191 Amen.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (T5Ui0)

205 165 BS.... The media has been pretty easy on trump.... They want Him as the Rep. nominee....
Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

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That's a point I don't think I've seen any of Trump's supporters address. There are rumors that Clinton has a massive oppo file. I've seen a quote from Liz Mair saying that she has a massive oppo file but the media won't touch it.

Do you think it's purely for ratings to keep him around? Or do they know that they can throw so much crap at him that some of everything will stick and the American people will see Trump and Hillary side by side and decide that Hillary is the more trustworthy?

I know how I'm betting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (rJSDb)

206 Not to brag but my wife at 49 still smokes trumps trophy wife and she never went under the knife

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (ehf0+)

207 And Ace, it's a free country and everyone gets to vote their conscious, but please don't vote FOR Hillary.

I understand a lot of votes cast are votes against the other guy, but they do count the votes, and it would be sad if she recieved anywhere near the votes JEF got in 08. It would make it appear she was wanted.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (kKHcp)

208 several times during this primary season people affiliated with cruz -
either through pacs or some other means, tried something really
underhanded, like spreading innuendo and rumors about ben carson on a
verge of an iowa caucus or this pic of melania among very conservative
utah mormons. cruz claims he is innocent. which means he is either
incompetent or duplicitous and is simply lying. pac going forward with
something without clearing it with campaign? does not happen. at least when trump does it he does it in your face, cruz campaign tries to pretend they are holier than thou, allowing superpacs and sorrogates to do the dirty work. how very carl rove of them.

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (c6/9Q)

209 1. She's hawt. There, I got it out of my system.

2. Politicians and their supporters have very few boundaries; if it works and the benefit is greater than the backlash, they will ALWAYS go there.

3. Ace said: Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all. I guess this is where the fighting begins.

Whatever else this election is, it is most certainly an election that will break at least one party and lead to a sea change in the nation's government. So I've got some decisions to make.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (uz/Pv)

210
Hit back. Hit back hard. Never apologize.

Knute Rockne for president.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (FkBIv)

211 1. Trump is probably full of shit re: Cruz's wife.

2. I know Super PAC's aren't legally allowed to have any connection with a candidate. But I've always been skeptical on how much that's followed. Maybe someone can put me some knowledge here.

3. If you add to that, though, that the Cruz campaign has acted a wee bit unethically (sorry, I support him over Trump, but he has), I can't blame Trump for lashing out at him. I'll just blame him for making up the Heidi stuff (probably).

4. Megyn is professional--the most professional out of the late night hosts on Fox News. But people were also spreading the GQ photographs and mentioning the Stern interview due to the complaints about Trump knocking her for being a bimbo.

Now, that's unfair, but it also didn't come entirely out of the blue. She has done stuff (stuff that was entirely under her control) to contribute to the knock some people have on her of being a bimbo.

Posted by: Fredo at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (2kaPT)

212 193 I think Melania looks as mannish as Giselle.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (MvFEq)

I'd hit it. But then I'd be teh Donald's eskimo brother sooooo maybe not. Confused.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (t06LC)

213 In all seriousness, I will never vote for Hillary, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Trump. I don't know why people think he is would be any improvement over Obama. They are both narcissists who cannot tolerate criticism or dissent.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at March 24, 2016 11:25 AM (3f9Oh)

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This. This all day. All night. All week.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (Z9neu)

214 I think it's interesting that DT plays the game better them all of them and everything he does makes Ace and others dislike him even more. He's smashing everything. Sit back and enjoy the show.

Posted by: freaked at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (KvWlw)

215 >>>You are affirmatively stating that Trump is the worst of the worst over personal nastiness (which is par for the course in politics), and then saying that you would rather vote for the felonious, utterly corrupt, and socialist Hillary Clinton--who is not to mention a character assassin that Trump could never hope to compete with. I don't find these positions consistent.

well i probably won't vote. but i'm not going to support Trump, not going to defend him. I will lift exactly zero fingers on his behalf.

Hillary's going to win anyway. I don't need to compromise myself by defending a scumbag.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (dciA+)

216 But it sure is easy to get Donald's goat. This is being watched and noted by our creepy enemies overseas. They'll be begging him not to throw them in the briar patch.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (9irRB)

217 Hit back. Hit back hard. Never apologize.

Knute Rockne for president.

Clint Eastwood...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

218 I really don't get Ace's hatred of Trump. Trump is the living, breathing Sweet Meteor of Death. He is the Wrecking Ball. He is the only candidate, the only one, who will kick in the rotten door of the incestuous Washington establishment and reveal the million cockroaches scrambling (which he has already done to some degree). He is everything Ace has wanted, the SMOD that Ace advocated.

But his methods offend Ace? Really? Really?

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (eXTZt)

219 Never Trump. Never Hillary. Write in.

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (2ly7u)

220 "Just keep in mind that if you, by default, allow Clinton to be elected,
the country as we know it is finished. Say goodbye to any form of
capitalism, freedom from big brother's spies, freedom of speech, and the
right to own firearms."
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All of that is inevitable at this point already. It's already to late to stop it. As a country, as a people, we've already collectively blown it. It's just a matter of time now.

Posted by: Kensington at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (QKzob)

221
Just keep in mind that if you, by default, allow Clinton to be elected,
the country as we know it is finished. Say goodbye to any form of
capitalism, freedom from big brother's spies, freedom of speech, and the
right to own firearms.

In all honesty, I don't think it impossible to repair the damage done by Barack Obama and George W. Bush.

America is finished, as we knew it. This election is just a danse macabre over the ruins.

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (+2Kz2)

222 Ace,
Been reading you daily for a decade or more.
Love the site and almost always on the same page.
Never commented before.
"I'll actually vote for Hillary" ???????
Heartbreaking. It's going to take some willpower never to visit here again but I'll just recall those five words every time I'm tempted.
Thanks for everything to this point and all the best.

Posted by: aoshqfan at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (ic/KP)

223 it was an exceedingly stupid and low-class thing to do, but the idea was probably to rile up super-socially-conservative people in Utah.

that doesn't make it right -- but that's probably the reason.

Cruz wound up winning with 68% or something so you can see how pointless this was.
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Had nothing to do with Mormon Beck or Mormon Mitt, right?

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (OvUux)

224 FYI, here is proof (Gingrich in the 2012 primary) that a campaign can communicate to a PAC when an ad is offensive and get them to stop:

http://tinyurl.com/hdnokko

Cruz comes across as a liar when he says that he has no control over what PACs do. Yes, he does. But he knew this particular ad would help him in Utah, so he pretended he could do nothing. Pathetic.
Posted by: K-E

One might get the impression that my kissing the ass of and campaigning for Kasich in Ohio and then talking about voting for Cruz in Utah to be manipulative, divisive and slightly dickish........Have I mentioned me recently?

Posted by: Pres. Mitt Romney at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (326rv)

225 It's getting increasingly difficult to make the case to myself that I need to vote for Trump to stop Hillary but I will never vote for Hillary under any circumstances. That is a bridge too far.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (/tuJf)

226 Hmmm..... looks a tad bit unfriendly around here today...

which is, IMO, exactly what the LEFT wants.

Its the only way the serial Liar and Felon Hillary can win....

They are managing to drive all the Rights Pundits into taking hard positions.... to point of attacking others on the right who support other candidates.

Hot Air is pretty much done.... Breitbart is so pro Trump that other candidates people are made unwelcome...

And now Ace has gone full on Anti Trump.... to the point where those of us who do support him (for various NOT stupid reasons IMO), do not feel welcome.

Advantage.... Hillary....

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (RK8AH)

227 206. And no, I'm not linking one of the vids again and if you were lucky you saw the infamous 40th bday bikini pic

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (ehf0+)

228 Sock off

Posted by: AD at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (2kaPT)

229 In all honesty, I don't think it is possible to repair the damage done by Barack Obama and George W. Bush. - is what I meant.

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (+2Kz2)

230 >>it was an exceedingly stupid and low-class thing to do, but the idea was
probably to rile up super-socially-conservative people in Utah.

Ugh.
She was a model, so of course there are going to be sexy pictures of her. That was her job. Think there are much better reasons to select a candidate than this trashy hit-job.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (NOIQH)

231 >>Not to brag but my wife at 49 still smokes trumps trophy wife and she never went under the knife

Where exactly was that Crossraod, btw?

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (MvFEq)

232 Any conservative who votes against the Republican nominee by abstaining or voting for the Democrat is ultimately putting his feelings over his country.

Posted by: BuzzKarma at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (0NTrL)

233 2016: (clutching pearls tightly) OMG this Trump is such a meanie. How dare he go on the offensive? We need respectable leaders like Kasich and Romney who appreciate that politics is a gentleman's game and no some street fight. There is no room for the boorish behavior of Mr. Trump.--------Monsieur Moo Moo

You missed the point.
It's not that he went on the offense.
It's that he went off half-cocked and looked like an idiot in the process.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (uhftQ)

234 219 Never Trump. Never Hillary. Write in.
Ball of lint stuck to taint hairs. Dingleberry

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (OvUux)

235 I could never, ever vote for Hillary. I would not want that on my conscience. It says a lot about a person that they would consider doing so, especially out of spite.

I can perfectly understand sitting things out as an acceptable alternative. I'm of the mind that this country has fallen so far that it makes absolutely zero difference who the Republicans nominate anyway. Free shit army rules and Hillary will win comfortably by 5%-6% of the popular vote even under a best case scenario.

Embrace the suck.

Posted by: Foul Harold at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (FGvan)

236 I think Donald Trump is a sleazy arrogant jackwagon who will not listen to others, is completely selfish, and would make a crappy president. I think he's unworthy of the office just like Bill Clinton was, for many of the same reasons.

But if it comes down to a choice between him and Hillary Clinton, its a choice between that guy and a woman unworthy of walking the streets out of prison, let alone unworthy of being president. She's not just a sleazy arrogant jackwagon, she's a horrible criminal corrupt evil piece of rotting warthog feces that shouldn't be allowed to be seen in public let alone run for a single office in the land.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (39g3+)

237 next DSouza movie to cheer you up

Ha, hopefully they'll change to Democrat vs. Democratic in the titles or richly point out the irony.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (DL2i+)

238 >>> I think it's interesting that DT plays the game better them all of them and everything he does makes Ace and others dislike him even more. He's smashing everything. Sit back and enjoy the show.

he's playing the game so well he has a 65% unfavorable rating.

He's playing the game so well that among a key block absolutely critical to the election -- white women, who usually vote slightly Republican -- he has a favorability rating slightly above that of Willie Horton.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (dciA+)

239 Hit back. Hit back hard. Never apologize.

Yeah, but we were sorta hopin' that would be against Hillary and Obama, not Ted Cruz

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:43 AM (+2Kz2)

The pack that ran that ad knew exactly what it was doing. If Cruz had wanted diffuse this, he would have immediately denounced it and called for the resignation of the woman running the PAC.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (Zs4uk)

240 75 It could be worse.

It could have been Hillary posing nude. How would THAT have affected your vote?
Posted by: Qoheleth at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (iIzG7)

Easy. My vote would now be in Braille, since I would have punished my eyes with spoons for seeing that.

Posted by: Sardiver at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (M/hAK)

241 A local talk show guy said Trump was referencing Heidi Cruz's battle with depression. As someone who battled that, I personally believe throwing that out there is reprehensible.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (gA69l)
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A despicable lack of compassion for someone who could easily be a friend, sister, or neighbor. You'd think Melania would stop him.

Posted by: iforgot at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (pC96u)

242 200 Ace, I completely understand your disgust at Trump, believe me. But I would urge you not to vote for Hillary. I would vote for a third party instead, that is what I am planning on doing if it winds up being Trump vs. Hillary.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (+Fl7e)

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You might as well vote for Hillary then. The results will be the same.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (Fmupd)

243 Of course, I don't know where the Head Ewok lives, so his vote could be as useless as mine. Scankles could run David Ortiz down during a DUI, then take a giant, steaming dump inside the Stanley Cup and still sweep Massachusetts.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (X6fMO)

244 wooga, exactly. Though it is remotely possible that some people here, in their particular jurisdictions in CA, might have *some* influence on something of consequence with their vote (local matters only).

A few muse that if the idiotic Newsome gun-grabbing initiative gets on the ballot, it might (along with the candidacy of You Know Who at the top of one ticket) might scramble the election day turnout. (the actual factor that doomed Tom Bradley, and which is probably what happened, the "Bradley effect" being a myth from the get-go)

I doubt it.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (QDnY+)

245 What this whole incident shows is quite simple: Trump responds to assaults with robust counter-assaults. That's who you want to fight ISIS and to fight the PC ethos that enables it.

But some don't like the messiness of war? My, my, what pussies we've become.

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (eXTZt)

246 Man, this thread is basically baiting for the ban hammer isn't it?

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (t06LC)

247 This site just jumped the shark.

Posted by: beerologists at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (8astS)

248 "It's not clear what he's trying to blackmail Heidi Cruz with, but it could be this kinda-minor seeming event in 2005 when she was picked up by a cop who thought she might be a "danger to herself."

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Might be a danger to herself - minor issue, eh? Ok, LOL

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (bRWtO)

249 Well, people wanted to Let It Burn. It's burning now.

The only satisfaction I am receiving out of this is the complete and utter implosion of the GOP. It's been a long time coming.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (gA69l)

250 Ah ... Come on, Vic. All I said is she looks better with short hair. Didn't say I wouldn't hit it.

Lorrie Morgan ... Also looks better with short hair.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (zfvHs)

251 Raise your hand if you think Cruz wasn't aware of this attack?

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces

Raises hand. Cruz doesn't read tweets all day like Trump, but I see the real problem isn't coordination but that Cruz didn't condemn the tweet or ad in strong enough terms after Trunp had attacked his wife Got it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (TJCSB)

252 I guess this is supposed to some sort of condemnation of the fact that DT is a hot headed, shoot first ask questions later kinda guy...
Considering the current state of international affairs and our country's standing in the world I am not exactly opposed to that. Better than twiddling around with our dicks/vajajays while the fight is brought to us.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (1H9ox)

253 >>>Any conservative who votes against the Republican nominee by abstaining or voting for the Democrat is ultimately putting his feelings over his country.

i think he's more dangerous than hillary, and no, not "dangerous' in a "cool" way.

he's a danger to the constitution and to the safety and security of the US. He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or hobby.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

254 he's playing the game so well he has a 65% unfavorable rating.

He's playing the game so well that among a key block absolutely critical to the election -- white women, who usually vote slightly Republican -- he has a favorability rating slightly above that of Willie Horton.

That's the thing.... Where is He getting the votes from? I can't find anyone in My little neck of the woods that will vote for Him... Odd that....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (O2RFr)

255 And now Ace has gone full on Anti Trump.... to the point where those of us who do support him (for various NOT stupid reasons IMO), do not feel welcome.

Advantage.... Hillary....
Posted by: Don Quixote at March 24, 2016 11:48 AM (RK8AH)

Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (RCS9o)

256 Melania Trump? I'd bang that like a screendoor on a submarine.

Posted by: Someone Unclear on the Concept at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (3GAnN)

257 200 Ace, I completely understand your disgust at Trump, believe me. But I would urge you not to vote for Hillary. I would vote for a third party instead, that is what I am planning on doing if it winds up being Trump vs. Hillary.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (+Fl7e)

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You might as well vote for Hillary then. The results will be the same.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (Fmupd)

Yep. I won't defend him. But, I guess I am resigned and will vote for the SOB.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (t06LC)

258 The media spent the first 5 months laughing at the very thought of Trump as president.

That's not support.

Then the few times they did bow up, Tina Turner thought Ike was back.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (cHQtB)

259 Cruz wrote about Heidi's trouble with depression, and even spoke about it not long ago. That is not a valid threat, since it's public knowledge.

Posted by: MathMom at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (L4G9B)

260 And I will never vote for Hillary. Ever.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (uhftQ)

261 231. True I sold my soul
...but my eternal pain is sitting on the cough braiding her hair

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (ehf0+)

262 >>this thread is basically baiting for the ban hammer isn't it?

The Nutmegger Cabal is playing 3-D Chess with us.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (MvFEq)

263 Turnip didn't use the office of Secy of State to fund a personal slush fund to the tune of a quarter of a billion dollars... yet.

Turnip didn't leave over 40 State employees in the middle of a civil war undefended and on their own while asking them to support a weapons trade ... yet.

Turnip didn't circumvent communications and intelligence protocols in order to maintain an unsecure and illegal email server, breaking multiple Federal statutes which are the basis for prosecution of federal employees and contractors routinely ... yet.

You don't like Turnip. No one said you had to. But he didn't leave 40 US personnel in the middle of of Barack's Libyan civil war to die. She did.

Hillary is willing to let US citizens die if it furthers her raging narcissism. Has Turnip shown that level of insanity? Not yet.

If you vote for Hillary, you are voting for the most traitorous piece of shit in US history. She is a criminal. Period. There is no retconning of her history to make a vote for her honorable.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (A/3fN)

264 Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (RCS9o)

Scaila's body being room temp does it for me.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (t06LC)

265 You are affirmatively stating that Trump is the worst of the worst over personal nastiness (which is par for the course in politics), and then saying that you would rather vote for the felonious, utterly corrupt, and socialist Hillary Clinton

Can anyone make an affirmative defense of Trump - particularly in this instance - without invoking "Hillary is worse"?

I mean, seriously, defend this orange menace on the merits not by comparison.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (1xUj/)

266 205 165 BS.... The media has been pretty easy on trump.... They want Him as the Rep. nominee....
Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

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That's a point I don't think I've seen any of Trump's supporters address. There are rumors that Clinton has a massive oppo file. I've seen a quote from Liz Mair saying that she has a massive oppo file but the media won't touch it.

Do you think it's purely for ratings to keep him around? Or do they know that they can throw so much crap at him that some of everything will stick and the American people will see Trump and Hillary side by side and decide that Hillary is the more trustworthy?

I know how I'm betting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 24, 2016 11:46 AM (rJSDb)

Ask John McCain about the media. I'm sure he remembers how 2008 played out.

If Trump wins the nod, he better be prepared to be treated the way Cruz is now: near media blackout, unless it's oppo.
We'll see how well he does when he's not getting $2 billion in free media.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (SYJKJ)

267 "[Voting third-party:} You might as well vote for Hillary then. The results will be the same."

Actually, not really. A vote for Hillary is 2 points: one for her, one against us. A vote for third-party is 1 point: one against us.

That's better but seriously, you all will end up voting for Trump, even Ace. Trust me, when he starts on Hillary, you will forget everything that came before and swoon.

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (eXTZt)

268 I know Super PAC's aren't legally allowed to have any connection with a candidate. But I've always been skeptical on how much that's followed. Maybe someone can put me some knowledge here.

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I don't know. It would be naive to think that there isn't some cordination, but I doubt it widespread. Likely there isn't much of a need to coordinate because of the personal put in place.

Regardless, it just shows the folly of our dumb unconstitutional campaign finance laws.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (gmeXX)

269 Trump will set the button for morality,Christianity."

WTF does that even mean?

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 11:38 AM (ozZau)
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Yeah, when in doubt on issues of morality and christianity, I usually confer with a gambling mogul. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. So obvious.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (/gL1N)

270 Hillary nude.

http://tinyurl.com/zocfkum

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (Nwg0u)

271 When the world goes nuts like this, it usually means a big war is coming.

Posted by: PJ at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (cHuNI)

272 I love you Ace. Call me!

Posted by: xpo172 at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (1PDwB)

273 When you are confusing boorish, vulgar, and manically egotistical(Trump) with thieving off the public coffers for fun and profit, destroying rape victims of your own husband, absolutely despicable behavior to all who cannot enhance your power(nasty bitch to the max), and flipping off and betraying your country with questionable alliances and opening state secrets to state enemies......you have the right to make that confusing choice. But not the reason.......
at least a friend told me this and I thought i might repeat it ....hoping to swerve out of ban hammer striking distance.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (T5Ui0)

274
Did anyone here read Balloon Juice before it went left?

The guy was a pretty solid conservative, not down the line but, you know, solid. Then he grew very disgusted with the right, specifically social cons, over the Terry Schiavo case, and before long his leftist trolls were his allies, and his regular commenters were his allies.

I remember that site. The guy decided that dirtbag Mr. Schiavo's desire to screw his new piece of skirt overrode the chance his wife might recuperate and he was so desperate to be rid of her that he refused to leave her alive for her parents to care for. No surprise he turned into a leftie loon.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (X6fMO)

275 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

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No you're not. You're actively campaigning against Trump. It's definitely Douche v. Turd Sandwich season this go around. I think everyone with a brain is either going to have to hold their nose and vote for someone with whom they have serious misgivings, or hold their nose and stay home hoping to survive the next 4-8 years. Cruz has said dumb things about sending patrols into Muslim neighborhoods, e.g., Clinton is another 8 years of POTUS as travel club and personal email accounts for everyone in government, and, I think, a final nail in the coffin for America the land of rule-by-law, and Trump is exactly the same brash, tacky, arrogant prick he's ever been.

For some reason one of those three options really seems to morally offend and anger some people much more than the other three, but it's not as if it's Trump vs. Jesus and Wonder Woman's Rhodes Scholar Olympian Combat hero child. They all suck. It seems a little weird that one of the three remaining viable options makes people so furious.

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (E8Cq0)

276 "It's that he went off half-cocked and looked like an idiot in the process."

No, he doesn't. Cruz looks like a blatant liar. And then the follow-up with Heidi on the stump for her husband.

Plus, for those who aren't political, the pic of Heidi is quite unflattering. There are people who vote based on lesser reasoning...wanting to have a hot first lady may be high on the list for some.

For the rest of us: Cruz looks bad. He claims he can't do anything about PAC attack ads, but he can. We know it, Cruz. Stop the lies.

Posted by: K-E at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (XI2IF)

277 He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or hobby.

Posted by: ace

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You do understand, that your free speech goes away via the dept of justice or the IRS if she is elected, yes? Guaranteed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (Qvgg/)

278 Donald needs to learn to spell. It's Reagan, not Ragan.

I just came here & im sure it's been mentioned.

Posted by: Carol at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (sj3Ax)

279 Perhaps the worst part is, Trump could take the loss of Utah, still amass 1237, AND make note that the Utah loss, if he bothered to mention it at all, was that it was due to triple face Romney and recycling a cheesecake picture from 1992. The year that Bubba was elected.

Which would be yet another reason not to return to the Clinton years.

he's an outsider, in an outsider year. This was initiated by a PAC, which everyone loves to hate (except theirs).

He had a chance ignore it, or play it to his advantage. He did neither.

Fuck us.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (326rv)

280 "If Trump wins the nod, he better be prepared to be treated the way Cruz is now: near media blackout, unless it's oppo."

No, no, no. You are so wrong. Trump is living color, Clinton is black and white TV. Color trumps Gray, every time.

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (eXTZt)

281 Great post Ace. I agree with you. I also will never vote for Trump because he's a flaming New York City Liberal and just an overall loud-mouthed jerk. I won't vote for Hillary, but I will certainly never vote for Trump.

Posted by: Captain Kirock at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (pRQgh)

282 That's the thing.... Where is He getting the votes from? I can't find anyone in My little neck of the woods that will vote for Him... Odd that....

From somewhere. He's winning on delegate votes.
He fills stadiums at his rallies where all of the others can't fill the lunch room at a Holiday Inn.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (cHQtB)

283 I'm of the mind that this country has fallen so far that it makes absolutely zero difference who the Republicans nominate anyway. Free shit army rules and Hillary will win comfortably by 5%-6% of the popular vote even under a best case scenario.

I fear you're right. Between them, the Democrat fraud machine, and the legacy media, I believe Hillary wins. In the end, though, it doesn't really matter. Its over with anyway. At this point, its a choice of who's going to be the least destructive to your home area and ability to survive the near future.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (39g3+)

284 278 Donald needs to learn to spell. It's Reagan, not Ragan.

I just came here & im sure it's been mentioned.

Actually, it wasn't...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (O2RFr)

285 I really don't get Ace's hatred of Trump. Trump is the living, breathing Sweet Meteor of Death. He is the Wrecking Ball. He is the only candidate, the only one, who will kick in the rotten door of the incestuous Washington establishment and reveal the million cockroaches scrambling (which he has already done to some degree). He is everything Ace has wanted, the SMOD that Ace advocated.

But his methods offend Ace? Really? Really?
Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (eXTZt)

Naw, he'll extort and make money off of those cockroaches.

Posted by: Draki at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (kkOK3)

286 'He's playing the game so well that among a key block absolutely critical to the election -- white women, who usually vote slightly Republican -- he has a favorability rating slightly above that of Willie Horton. '

I didn't say he was playing the "Win the Presidency" game he is playing the "Smash Everything" game. I'm not sure he really wants to be president.

Posted by: freaked at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (KvWlw)

287 If Trump wins the nod, he better be prepared to be treated the way Cruz is now:

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I have seen the future and it sucks.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (Nwg0u)

288 You might as well vote for Hillary then. The results will be the same.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (Fmupd)
No, the difference lies in what I am affirmatively willing to support.
I cannot support in good conscience either one of them.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (+Fl7e)

289 Did you see that ISIS released a video with Trump's quote about Brussels being a horror show? This city isn't a horror show at all! It's great! I know there were just multiple suicide bombings and right before that they found a guy they'd been looking for for months hiding right out in the open but man, other than that this place is great.

I feel totally safe here surrounded by armed security.

Posted by: ShepSmith at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (LYCUN)

290 Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

I don't intend to vote for Trump, clearly, but if I were, I could rationalize my vote like this:

1. Trump is an outsider, not part of the Washington Culture. He is more likely to clean house and enact reform than any member of the political class.

2. Trump will want to reform Washington because his ego will demand a legacy.

3. Trump genuinely loves America; which is a major discriminator against Hillary.

4. Hillary would be a continuation and worsening of the Obama presidency, who would make the Supreme Court radical left.

5. He seems pretty serious about the immigration thing.

Posted by: V the K at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (+2Kz2)

291 Ok, been reading the comments ... got to go back to the picture ...

Back.

Wow. That's never happed on a thread before.

Posted by: Pebbles and Ban Ban at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (NnS0Q)

292 "which Trump fans have spent six months tweeting, to demonstrate that Megyn Kelly is immoral."

Not 'immoral' so much as 'hypocritical' really. Melania hasn't really been tying her looks to anything other than being her husband's wife lately. GQ photo was from 2000. Did Ted Cruz "disavow" it loudly enough for the media to hear?

Whereas Megyn Kelly has been rocking the career-grrrl SEXISM IS THE WORST position ever since Trump came on stage, so publishing her (much less prior than Melania's) glamor shots is the perfect antidote to her being a feminist scold on her own-and others'-time.

I, and any conservative worth his salt, most certainly do endorse the elevation of beauty and innocence as a primary standard for female worth, as our culture has destroyed so much of it in so many people by letting ugly people loudly devalue it in the mass media while running out anyone of Insufficient Social Influence who does.

Beauty in women is a conservative value. Tit for tat among men is a conservative value. Destroying your countenance and reputation to work for and among rich people who have no particular interest in the future of your country as long as it helps their own career may be a Cruz family value, but it's not something I want held up as a social model for the rest of us.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (61Gds)

293 38
Magnificent Seven on TCM right now.Cincinnati Kid up next and than Bullitt at 4.

Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (B48dK)

Steve McQueen looks like a Tooter Turtle to me.http://tinyurl.com/nzmwse8

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (43OZ6)

294 Here's the case for Trump: He's vain and thin-skinned enough to do damned near anything if he feels he's been slighted. I suspect we'd see a downturn in pissant countries tweaking us just for laughs.

That's pretty much it (and it's scary.)

Posted by: spongeworthy at March 24, 2016 11:54 AM (mrfTe)

295 From somewhere. He's winning on delegate votes.
He fills stadiums at his rallies where all of the others can't fill the lunch room at a Holiday Inn.

But who are they? Are they Dems? Or are they people drawn to His circus? Are they gonna vote for Him?

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (O2RFr)

296 As I've said several times since this whole Trumpnado season began, I find it incomprehensible - even incrementally discouraging, though that bottom was probably reached a while ago - that Trump's boorishness or general public persona would actually upset non-cretinous citizens or observers of public affairs.

I mean given the literally unbelievable degradation and damage of the last few years. Obviously, mileage varies, but wow.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (QDnY+)

297 >>He fills stadiums at his rallies where all of the others can't fill the lunch room at a Holiday Inn.

The History of Populist Candidates does not bode well for anyone, including the Stadium Fillers.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (MvFEq)

298 Not to quibble but Megyn Kelly promotes herself as a serious, responsible professional joun-0-list.

Trump's wife promotes herself as ... Trump's wife.

Serious journ-0-llists don't do photo shoots for CQ like Kelly's.

Wives of Trump did photo shoots for CQ way back in the day.

Getting my drift here, are you?

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (o+d9R)

299 @182 I thought so.

Organ Grinder's Monkey is a band in Brighton UK and their new EP "Zero Life Experience" was just uploaded.

WBAGNFARB is powerful. Some days you can't outrun it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (xq1UY)

300 199 Trump is horrible, Hillary is evil in a pantsuit.

Maybe Trump would put in a not awful SCOTUS pick. Hillary damn sure would.

Scalia made me vote Trump.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:45 AM (t06LC)

Enjoy Supreme Court Justice Trump's Sister.

Sure, the Senate might not confirm her. Then we'll get Justice Sir Edumund Hillary R Clinton III.

Think I am exaggerating? Look at Trump's record prior to running.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (XItbt)

301 He's playing the game so well that among a key block absolutely critical to the election -- white women, who usually vote slightly Republican -- he has a favorability rating slightly above that of Willie Horton.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (dciA+)

This is a primary. This is where a candidate gets the nomination. It has nothing to do with the General Election.

20% of voters are somewhat informed, the balance are hard pressed to name the person Washington D.C. was named after.

With 5 months and a few hundred million, I could get Willie Horton elected.

The public's collective memory is about as long as Lindsey Graham's dick. They won't remember a thing about the primaries and will barely remember the ad they see the day before the election.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (Zs4uk)

302 Show of hands: who else thinks Hillary can't wait to find someone in the government who did anything close to what she did with her email server and nail that person to the wall just to troll the world?

Posted by: Kensington at March 24, 2016 11:56 AM (QKzob)

303 To the degree that Trump damages the GOP, there is some comfort in that.

I don't hate Trump, I just don't find him that likable. There is a silver lining in how he has pushed back on political correctness, though.

Posted by: Max Power at March 24, 2016 11:56 AM (QCc6B)

304 Can anyone make an affirmative defense of Trump - particularly in this instance - without invoking "Hillary is worse"?

I mean, seriously, defend this orange menace on the merits not by comparison.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (1xUj/)

Oy. This is all petty, insignificant stuff. But the KA brigades are determined to make a mountain out of this molehill ... because the bat sign has gone out that this is MAJOR!!!!

Get a grip, dude.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 11:56 AM (zc3Db)

305 "You don't like your little sister punching you? Stop punching her."

Posted by: Everyone's Mother, everywhere. at March 24, 2016 11:56 AM (ymhTd)

306 But who are they? Are they Dems? Or are they people drawn to His circus? Are they gonna vote for Him?

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (O2RFr)

They appear to be Romney's missing whities. The blue collar nominal republicans. Reagan Democrats.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:56 AM (t06LC)

307 >>>
You do understand, that your free speech goes away via the dept of justice or the IRS if she is elected, yes? Guaranteed.

trump is going to lose so badly he forces some of us to start making plans for how we're going to survive under hillary.

If your candidate is determined to cede power to Hillary Clinton, then one has to accomodate oneself to Hillary being in power.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:56 AM (dciA+)

308 Soona, #242:

"You might as well vote for Hillary then. The results will be the same."

So be it. I'm not implicated by Hillary, nor are my ideas or my preferred policies. Hillary gets elected, we somehow muddle through and get the chance to make this country better afterward. Trump gets elected, and the Democrats get to tar every decent candidate from the right with him for the rest of my life.

Posted by: JPS at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (qhvBQ)

309 I not defending DT though Ace he's a genuine Grade-A Asshole. Hillster however does not deserve her freedom much less the presidency.

Posted by: freaked at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (KvWlw)

310 an in case anyone doubts where the sleazy cruz utah ad came from should read up on mr Jeff Roe cruz campaign manager.

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (c6/9Q)

311
BS.... The media has been pretty easy on trump.... They want Him as the Rep. nominee....
Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

Yes, plus he's been sensational ratings, as even the CBS guy admitted. The media are making trainloads of cash off of him. One again, they're picking our candidate.

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (ozZau)

312
They appear to be Romney's missing whities. The blue collar nominal republicans. Reagan Democrats.

He's gonna need more than that...

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (O2RFr)

313 No way I could vote for Hillary. No. Effin'. Way.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (Z/diL)

314 280 "If Trump wins the nod, he better be prepared to be treated the way Cruz is now: near media blackout, unless it's oppo."

No, no, no. You are so wrong. Trump is living color, Clinton is black and white TV. Color trumps Gray, every time.
Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (eXTZt)

Except when the media has a vested interest in electing Clinton...

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (SYJKJ)

315 Is it OK to call some people here idiots?

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (TJCSB)

316 Very hard to vote Democrat when you actually get into the polling booth. If there's a third party option, your vote usually ends up there. Of all the protest votes I've cast, I've cast exactly one for the Democrat when push came to shove. And that's only because there were only two candidates on the ballot (otherwise would have voted third party) and nothing else on the ballot (otherwise would have left blank).

Posted by: gm at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (ZhS1Q)

317 All kidding aside folks, anyone who can't or won't acknowledge, that Trump suffers from a mental condition and must be kept away from the nukes, is culpable along with him, when he drops the bomb on someone that pisses him off even if they happen to be in NYC at the time.

All the pretend outrage claiming Cruz did the nude shot of trumps fourth or fifth wife and now defending trump himself attacking Heidi Cruz? It's a sickness folks and it's worse than the blind adoration given to Obama, we are supposed to be better, smarter.

Posted by: Anthony Weiners Ghost at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (N1ljp)

318 He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or hobby.

Posted by: ace

unlike Hillary, or John McCain, or Russ Feingold, or the entire left who think it should be a crime and have taken action to make it a crime to criticize a politician during election season. good logic ace.

Posted by: x at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (nFwvY)

319 No, he doesn't. Cruz looks like a blatant liar. And then the follow-up with Heidi on the stump for her husband.

Plus, for those who aren't political, the pic of Heidi is quite unflattering. There are people who vote based on lesser reasoning...wanting to have a hot first lady may be high on the list for some.

For the rest of us: Cruz looks bad. He claims he can't do anything about PAC attack ads, but he can. We know it, Cruz. Stop the lies.-------K-E

Please troll elsewhere.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (uhftQ)

320 The Little Hands Brigade is assembling...

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (MvFEq)

321 I self-willowed below, but it also belongs here so-

I disagree with the sidebar article somewhat-

Yeah, Trump is the only one who has a chance of winning outright at this point.

So, I guess i'm throwing in with him at this point. And yes, i know.

My hope is that he reaches the magic number quickly so that all the shouting and screaming can get over before summer starts.

I'd like Cruz but there's no way he wins, because-

Cruz delegates by and large won't be delegates committed to Cruz. Most of the delegates are chosen by the GOPe within the states -

and are only committed to the first ballot - after that they will vote as their GOPe masters tell them to.

There will be two or three go-rounds of voting to make it look like a real thing but then, the "consensus candidate" will emerge and get the nom right off the bat.

Yay!

Romney wants a coronation- that's what he's working for. He may get it.

Ryan, bleh - he's a big pile of nothing.

Do not rule out Kasich:

He's the only candidate who's reading chapter and verse from-

"The Big Book of GOPe and Donor Class Wet Dreams"

and

"50 Things that George Soros Yanks It to"

He's even ruled in a Democrat VP - so that 'our betters' will definitely be back in charge after 4 years.

Right now, I'd place even odds on him making it.

The main thing to remember is that the GOPe is going to stack the convention-

with their bought and sold flunkies.

if there's not a clear winner on ballot one, there will be a series of fake dramatic votes-

2 or 3, maybe 4

and then the GOPe chosen candidate will emerge with a sudden astonishing victory.

So...yeah...great TV.

Great country? Not so much.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (0cMkb)

322 Actually I think it was Maxim that did Kelly's shots.

And let's not fool ourselves. Ted's spokesman has been attacking Trumps wife for weeks. No way that Teddy didn't direct his pac to make the hit and then after all of that Heidi ho takes the script that Teddy handed her and went out and read it off in front of the cameras.

Teddy actually inserted his wife into the wood chipper. What, is mommy next?

So in the end it all plays out like so.

Ted attacks Trumps wife for her very tasteful, seemingly nude shots of her laying on a fur inside a jetliner and Trump is not suppose to post any pictures of Heidi in a tube top and hot pants, riding in the back of Greyhound bus, chewing bubble gum?

I don't see what the big deal is being she inserted herself into the election with her statements.

Posted by: Drider at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (bdzyz)

323 Think I am exaggerating? Look at Trump's record prior to running.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (XItbt)

Noted. But, we know the devil in Hillary Clinton. Trump may be a slim hope, but at least there is some. Pardon, I'll take my chances going down fighting rather than curl up in a ball in resignation.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (t06LC)

324 >>>
Oy. This is all petty, insignificant stuff. But the KA brigades are determined to make a mountain out of this molehill ... because the bat sign has gone out that this is MAJOR!!!!

right. this is normal, right? It's normal for repulsive cads to just attack non-combatant women all day, and then for conservatives to defend that?

Your "hillary attacked Bill's accusers" complaint is ringing especially hollow now.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (dciA+)

325 The problem with a guy like Donald Trump is his detachment from regular folk.

Having his privileged up bringing I'm guessing he seldom had to deal with the consequences of his big mouth. By consequences I mean having his ass kicked.

I read an article a few days a ago (here?) about the Rolling Stones and Donald Trump. Long story short, Trump went back on a contractual non speaking obligation and refused to stop promoting himself with the Rolling Stones. When he was asked to cut it out he refused. Kieth Richards pulls a knife along with 40+ roadies when Trumps goons try to menace them.
At least he had the sense to shut up that time.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (/E+t2)

326 He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or hobby.

Assuming you're right, whatever danger he represents does not even remotely come close to being the danger Hillary presents.

Remember: winning the presidency means proof she can do anything she wants without consequence. And she's following up on a presidency that has increased its power and gotten away with blatantly and deliberately using its power to crush political enemies.

You think President Hillary is going to do that less than President Obama?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (39g3+)

327 Trump's response ought to be 'Yeah, and don't you wish?'

'Cause look, if Mainstream America's idea of a First Lady is somewhere between Mooch and a Kardashian, then Trump's choice in femme beats them all with a shovel handle.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 11:58 AM (o+SC1)

328 I personally thought the pic of Trump's wife or vote for Ted Cruz ad was a pro Trump ad.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (TJCSB)

329 I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And then you actually have the temerity to somehow be surprised that Trump supporters get pissy with you ?!

Look, if that's how you feel, that's great. But if you really don't want the comments to turn into monkeys flinging shit at each other, maybe that's a sentiment you keep to yourself. Maybe.

Seems to me you're posting an awful lot of angstful passive aggressive stuff meant to do nothing more than provoke a reaction. And then everyone expresses patented fake internet outrage when you get the exact reaction you intended to provoke.

For me, regardless of all that, the idea that Hillary would be better for this country than even Trump is fucking retarded.

Posted by: deadrody at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (vJOFB)

330 literally nothing you can accuse Trump of being, which Hillary has not done,

Repeatedly - including being an actual psychopathic monster.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (DL2i+)

331 Mike Castle called to say he had a tingle in his leg when he read you're voting for Hillary.

Posted by: Born Free at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (5YU+T)

332 You might as well vote for Hillary then. The results will be the same.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 11:49 AM (Fmupd)
No, the difference lies in what I am affirmatively willing to support.
I cannot support in good conscience either one of them.
Posted by: chemjeff

You are willing to support a futile gesture, and the enabling of Empress mommom.

Voting 3rd party in this system has no other purpose.

I explained to a group of friends why the problems they saw in the US version of "House of Cards" were quite real.

it was originally a British show, written with the British system in mind. It doesn't translate nearly as well to the American system, and even people who don't apreciate or understand the differences see it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (326rv)

333 >>>

No, no, no. You are so wrong. Trump is living color, Clinton is black and white TV. Color trumps Gray, every time.
Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:53 AM (eXTZt)

Except when the media has a vested interest in electing Clinton...
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March>>>

Media can't help itself with Trump. It's pathological. Kinda like Carson and child molesting.

Posted by: gm at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (ZhS1Q)

334 Not the point, but idg why people like Mair don't switch to the Democrats. Not a RINO thing, more that culturally, at their core, they're liberals. I would not be surprised if some GOP consultants like her end up voting Hillary and staying on that side in the aftermath of all this.

Plus "Make America Awesome" = fruity millenial snark. And IMO there is something cynical about her using this line of attack to appeal to people (Mormons in Utah) whose morals she doesn't share.

Don't disagree about Trump tho.

Posted by: Observer at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (hPbEn)

335 Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (RCS9o)

Actually started to type a list.... but at this point in time, it would be futile... people on BOTH sides are now so emotionally involved... that any type of rational discussion is pretty much impossible.

Trump / Anti Trump has become like Abortion... where those on the extremes of the question scream the loudest.... and drown out everyone else...

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (RK8AH)

336 "Might be a danger to herself - minor issue, eh? Ok, LOL "

She went on a distraught walk while dealing with fully acknowledged depression. By all accounts, she has since recovered.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (mibPO)

337 Ace, I'm well aware that my support for a "Never Trump" type position will do exactly the opposite of help you around here, or make you feel any better about it, especially in the bloodletting of late 'round these parts.

That said, on the eve of the Florida primary day, I said, in the non-trolliest way I could possibly muster, that if Trump is the GOP nominee then you've clearly got a "Vote For The Crook - It's Important" situation on your hands here.

I used the word "objectively" in my rationale at some point to say that Trump would be a constitutional danger of the highest order - beyond what any liberal thought of W, and beyond what any conservative thought of Obama or thinks of Hillary. A couple of folks took their shots. That's fine.

But my point was, and is: Trump is...instead of objectively, I'll say...**obviously** a psychologically disturbed guy. The reasons for not supporting him are obvious. The reasons I've seen for supporting him are mostly a variation of "LIB!" or "he is our SMOD made flesh!".

For those who are making the argument that Trump is the smartest, most reasonable choice on offer in either party...well, nothing this liberal says is going to change their minds anyway, but, speaking on behalf of sentient beings everywhere:

What? The? Fuck?

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (oUDMc)

338 Ah, gee, Ace

We all say things that we might want to walk back later when we are not as steamed as we were when we said them.

I have kids. They have done things that have pissed me off from time to time over the years but nothing could ever make me hate them enough to vote for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (MpvuV)

339 Is it OK to call some people here idiots?
Posted by: Dr Spank

Fire away.

Posted by: An idiot at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (KvWlw)

340 Lookee, I found a nice video of Mrs Cruz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkQz8vZ0jsU

there are no words ...

Posted by: G6loq at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (zj+JZ)

341
A) Trump has the nomination at this point, which means that:

B) Conservatives have already lost the 2016 election.

I see no need to vote at all, after that point.

Posted by: Keith Eppich at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (Dea5P)

342 182 I'd vote for a gawt damned organ grinder's monkey before I'd vote for Hillary, and yes, I know the polls show an organ grinder's monkey would crush every candidate on both sides in all 50 states, plus flip Guam, AND I saw the Organ Grinder's Monkey open for Solid Gold Dumpster Fire at the Iowa State Fair last year.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at M
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Wow! That post absolutely rocks.

Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (3GAnN)

343 All kidding aside folks, anyone who can't or won't acknowledge, that Trump suffers from a mental condition and must be kept away from the nukes, is culpable along with him, when he drops the bomb on someone that pisses him off even if they happen to be in NYC at the time.

Posted by: Anthony Weiners Ghost at March 24, 2016 11:57 AM (N1ljp)

LOL. You've got to have an IQ of 73 to think something like that up.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (zc3Db)

344 I'd vote for Trump over Hillary, if it actually comes to that dire outcome. After thinking hard about this over the last few weeks I just can't vote for a master criminal and sociopath. Donald is terrible, but at least (so far) he hasn't sold out America. I'd vote for Bernie, Cruz and/or Kasich over both of these assholes, in hopes the Congress can keep it all together.

How the hell have we come to this point?

Posted by: November can't come fast enough at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (TxJGV)

345 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that we are so fucking boned at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (rwI+c)

346 >>This is a primary. This is where a candidate gets the nomination. It has nothing to do with the General Election.

>>20% of voters are somewhat informed, the balance are hard pressed to name the person Washington D.C. was named after.

You say that as if Trump is some life long politician. He isn't. He's a relentless self-promoter and reality TV star, exactly the kind of person LIVs know very well.

I do not understand why Trump fans continue to insist that somehow women will come flocking to Trump in the general with a population that is even less disposed to vote Republican let alone for Trump. He is going to get beaten like a rented mule by the Historic First woman unless she gets indicted.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (/tuJf)

347 No chance I'd ever vote for Clinton or Trump. I'm looking for a President that will respect the limits of his authority- contrary to the guy we have in the White House now. I don't want a President who keeps a list of personal enemies. Just give me someone who will respect the rule of law. That would be a good place to start.

Posted by: Myself at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (5wiU6)

348 Ace, you cannot seriously be considering voting for the Venal Murderess of Benghazi. I will assume that was a joke and that you'll just stay home (you live in NYC so your vote doesn't count anyway) or write in another name.

The PAC are lowlifes, IMO, for tweeting that. There are substantive topics you could choose, but this one is ridiculous and reflects extremely poorly on the PAC. If Donald Trump makes you behave in the crude vulgar manner you accuse Trump of, maybe you yourself are also crude and vulgar.

And of course Trump had to take it to eleventy. The overgrown toddler can't help himself. SMH.

IMO, Heidi Cruz has almost the perfect first lady look - attractive but not too sultry. Of course, that's neither here not there.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (SEFXb)

349 That's the thing.... Where is He getting the votes from? I can't find anyone in My little neck of the woods that will vote for Him... Odd that....

Posted by: donna at March 24, 2016 11:51 AM (O2RFr)

He's got core support from people who think the GOP is unrecoverable. He's got cultural core support who think like he does about interacting with people. He's got $2 billion in press support for the Primary (not at first but it sure has picked up), which will turn harder against him for the general. And he has crossover Dem support, some of which will be voting Dem in the general for various reasons.

It's like Perot, only better-managed.

Other than that, since nobody is going to change their mind, you only have the cold comfort of an I Told You So marathon later in the year.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (bLnSU)

350 >>Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

I'd never vote for Hillary Clinton. Not under any circumstances.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (Bdeb0)

351 David Plouffe, who managed Obamas campaigns, said they better not underestimate Trump, that Hillary is weak and that Trump can beat her. This is the same guy who said last summer that there are no moderates anymore, and that's why he always told Obama to tack hard left and not worry about it

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (zOTsN)

352 "She went on a distraught walk while dealing with fully acknowledged depression. By all accounts, she has since recovered."

Yeah, she's going gang busters with Goldman Sachs and the CFR's North American Union these days.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (bRWtO)

353
Neither Trump or his son are idiots. I suspect they have their own polling and if things like this really hurt him, he wd cease.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (iQIUe)

354 So Little Fingers married a tranny?

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (ucB75)

355 I will gladly vote for Cruz or Trump in the general election. Both are fighters. Both love this country.

If you want to see more national devastation to this country, even more than Fredo has managed, then by all means, vote for the Bitch.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (Fmupd)

356 ????

I'm a little confused...well more than usual...I thought Ace was anti-Trump?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (mw8Dm)

357 She looks like a hot version of Liv Tyler who I always found kind of hot looking but not full blown hot IYKWIM.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (1H9ox)

358 "Is it OK to call some people here idiots?
Posted by: Dr Spank "

Heh....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (ptqRm)

359 This is going to be interesting - a guy that nobody can stand, but is winning GOP primaries versus a woman who deserves and indictment, and whom the FBI plans to leak details if said indictment is not forthcoming.

Out of 300 million people, this is the choice?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (Qvgg/)

360 Looks like the #trump_can_do_no_wrong crowd is out in full force.

Does no one else see the Alinsky tactics?
Megan Kelly hit Trump on possible sexist attitudes. Result? Attack Kelly.
The man brags about sex with other men's Wives (in his own book). But is declared the most Moral man in America. Disagree, he attacks your wife.
Don't like Trump, your a Trump-hater. Not liking Trump becomes border line Hate Speech. They must be commies.
Point out politicians and pundits have been talking about the border for a decade. Trump fans then declare no one talked about before Trump. Disagree? your a liar. So are these politicians and pundits.

All I see is cult of personality. I have said it before, he is the worst parts of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama rolled into one.

This man will let, and perhaps expedite, the further decline of America from within.

But he said he would build a wall... And apparently that's all that matters.

I will write in or vote 3rd party before I vote for him.

Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (Gl74b)

361 Trump is a shit sandwich
Hillary is a shit sandwich with a side of shit salad.
Yay.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (k8tEg)

362 Well, there's plenty of time for Ace to change his mind, so relax.

Please pardon my speculation here:

I rather get the impression that Trump's supporters fall into 2 basic groups:

[1] People who are voting for him strictly because they enjoy being ironical - think hipsters voting for the first time in their lives because they finally get to participate in a practical joke worthy of their "whatever for shits'n'giggles" lifestyle. These people don't like Trump. They just don't care. It's all a lark.

[2] People who want to see the whole thing burn. These are the ones who bring flamethrowers with them to every blog they visit and every social media space they enter. They haven't unwittingly chosen their destructor metaphorically - they've chosen Trump because they want him to destroy things and they know he will. They look at Trump and see all the chaos and craziness they could ever have hoped for.

I sincerely hope Trump isn't being set up for the "Kennedy Cure," but the thing with Trump is that if it happens, the people who will be most pleased by it are his most faithful, fiery supporters, because then they get their best-case scenario for their Burn It All Down dreams. I suspect their masturbation fantasies are horrifying.

So, good job, you scorched-earth Trump supporters: if your hope is to finish the "transformational" work that Obama began and that the GOP aided and abetted, you appear to be right one track.

I will not vote for Hillary.

I'm sorry - even if my vote is worthless and it the game is rigged, I still have to make a stand somewhere, even if it's for a drop in the bucket 3rd party candidate. I can't vote Hillary, and I can't vote for Trump.

The next 4 years are going to be pure shit.

Posted by: Cameron at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (6aVBb)

363 >>>at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (326rv)>>>

Voting third party is not a gesture, it's a message. If enough people sent the same message, pols might take note. Instead, most people keep voting for more of the same and the pols see no need to change from the course they have us on - which is straight for the cliff.

Posted by: gm at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (ZhS1Q)

364 So much for that Trump/Cruz ticket, huh? I don't see Cruz being as eager to forgive/forget as Ben Carson was.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (4/i9Y)

365 Yeah, when in doubt on issues of morality and christianity, I usually confer with a gambling mogul. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. So obvious.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (/gL1N)

Yup. The guy on his 3rd trophy wife who said about convicted pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, "He a great guy. Likes women as much as a I do. He tends to like 'em young".

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (XItbt)

366 Trump / Anti Trump has become like Abortion... where those on the extremes of the question scream the loudest.... and drown out everyone else...

------------

Sometimes there is no middle ground. There are only extremes.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (gmeXX)

367 Heh. Ace dragging a bottle of value-rite on a string through the Horde Park.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (2PHKP)

368 Trolling your own readers is a chump move. Ace travels the Charles Johnson road to irrelevancy. Meh.

Posted by: Gunga Done at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (pnRrB)

369 I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

*shrug*

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (1D4Ef)

370 The tits are not calm.

Posted by: Tits McGee at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (JO9+V)

371 I bet this doesn't apply to Mr and Mrs Cruz...

City girls just seem to find out early
How to open doors with just a smile
A rich old man and she won't have to worry
She'll dress up all in lace and go in style

But late at night a big ol' house gets lonely
I guess every form of refuge has its price
And it breaks her heart to think her love as only
Given to a man with (tiny) hands as cold as ice.

Posted by: RD Walker at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (ImpgP)

372 >> Assuming you're right, whatever danger he represents
>> does not even remotely come close to being the danger
>> Hillary presents.

I agree.

Hillary is the Japanese monster movie version of Dick Nixon.

She's done the felonies before taking office, if she gets away with that then the sky's the limit.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (o+SC1)

373 Real Wives Of The GOP Season One.

Posted by: mrp at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (JBggj)

374 12 What the hell is it going to take for people to finally disavow me... If its not the wife tweet I may have to kick a puppy next.

- Flabbergasted Trump

That won't work. Glenn Reynolds started making puppy smoothies and became more popular than ever. You'll have to kick a kitten. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Noizy at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (veL4N)

375 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

This is the sort of line that one never lives down.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:03 PM (zc3Db)

376 And for the record if its DJT vs HRC I will sit this one out.
I couldn't tell my grandchildren, or myself, that I pulled a lever for either one of them (unless it was on a platform 13 stairs up after HRC's treason trial).
But no, not voting for either one.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (k8tEg)

377 The "beans" is over Heidi's career as a globalist. Open borders, imminent domain super toll roads through Texas, stuff like that. The episode in Austin was just really a bad day after she had to move from NYC and her globalists employers to Hickville on the Colorado for Ted. It happens. She is anything but crazy.

Posted by: Lester at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (2UPXV)

378 Trump has beaten 16 candidates so far. Not to mention he's fighting the entire Uniparty, Media, China, Mexico, the Pope, and other undesirables.

Hillary, Bernie, Biden or Warren don't stand a chance against Trump.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (bRWtO)

379 That's better but seriously, you all will end up voting for Trump, even Ace. Trust me, when he starts on Hillary, you will forget everything that came before and swoon.
Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 11:52 AM (eXTZt)

"Swoon"?
You gotta be smoking some seriously good stuff.
Some may become convince he's the lesser of two evils.
Some won't, but will hold their noses.
Some won't.

Swoon? You gotta be kidding me.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (kKHcp)

380 Destroying your countenance and reputation to work for and among rich people who have no particular interest in the future of your country as long as it helps their own career may be a Cruz family value, but it's not something I want held up as a social model for the rest of us.

,,,,
Who are you talking about who destroyed his countenance and reputation?

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (ozZau)

381 One can vote for whomever one wants for whatever reason one wants. To say "I will vote for Hillary", knowing who she is, is pretty much, bottom line, nuts. She opened our secrets to the world to avoid disclosing them to this country. "Reset" button. Global weakness. The Benghazi dead. These are of presidential quality in whose world? Oh, that's right, the proprietor here. Just don't vote and go silent if that's your thing.

Posted by: ejo at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (il4FI)

382 I think Trump is almost the very worst. Yet I still plan to vote for him over Hillary. She is an evil woman and I won't stand by and do nothing and see her rewarded for all her wicked deeds.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (SEFXb)

383 All kidding aside folks, anyone who can't or won't acknowledge, that Trump suffers from a mental condition

My worry is that he is completely without any principles at all, that he will spend all his time "making deals" with Pelosi and Schumer. I don't interpret his obvious mental disturbance with "too dangerous to be near nukes", but he might convince me yet.

Posted by: November can't come fast enough at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (TxJGV)

384 I'll bet I could find an unflattering picture of just about anybody, and post it next to an image of somebody else that was FaceTuned / Perfect365'ed into looking like a CGI character from Avatar, for a dishonest comparison too.

Posted by: Alex at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (7Yy8M)

385 353
Neither Trump or his son are idiots. I suspect they have their own polling and if things like this really hurt him, he wd cease.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (iQIUe)

*********

Or maybe I just don't want this thing?

I have a really good brain, I went to the best schools--I have the best words!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (mcm0N)

386 368 Trolling your own readers is a chump move. Ace travels the Charles Johnson road to irrelevancy. Meh.

Mentioning He Who Shall Not Be Named in a comparison to Ace is kind of a dick move.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (kFnmp)

387 "I'll vote for Hillary!" he cried, angrily filling his diaper.

Posted by: 3.14159 at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (MaINI)

388 Also, kind of a bitter irony that some Trump supporters are starting in on the "Whaddaya gonna do, vote for a DEMOCRAT?!" line that always set my teeth on edge when the GOP of yesteryear pulled it.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (nKOXj)

389 I'm still stuck on what to do.

Sit at home. Don't vote?

Vote for Trump as a way to hasten the burning times?

Write in (insert your favorite Kardashian) but vote the down ticket republicans?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (2PHKP)

390 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Who said that? I actually have to work sometimes so I missed that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (mw8Dm)

391 It seems a little weird that one of the three remaining viable options makes people so furious.

Why is that? Trump is claiming to speak for *me*, as a conservative, by running as a Republican. Hillary wouldn't even pretend to speak for me, she thinks I'm an enemy in the first place. I get more irritated by someone who claims to be on my side attempts to hijack the cause of conservatism, than by someone who doesn't even pretend to be a conservative, but doesn't try to run as one either.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (+Fl7e)

392 "Donald Trump will be greater president than Ragan. Trump will set the button for morality,Christianity."

Who the fuck is Ragan?

Posted by: Ronald Raven at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (H9MG5)

393 Fuck her. I'll vote for whomever is on the ticket to defeat that bitch.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 24, 2016 11:44 AM (jsWA

Amen.

Amen, amen, amen.

I don't get it.

After years of listening to everyone scream at SoCons who might have wanted to stay home rather than vote against their beliefs, we get this. From party leaders on down.

I especially don't get it when we keep getting told he's going to get crushed against Hillary.

So you know he won't win anyway, isn't it worth voting for him just to give the Left AND the GOPe a gigantic raspberry, if nothing else?

You don't get to punch a button that says "ANYONE but Trump" or "Sending a Message". That Hillary vote is going to be seen as your undying support for this lying c*nt.

All these people who are staying home or voting for her because they hate Trump are going to give her the country in a landslide and it's going to be seen or RESOUNDING support for Leftism.

Or you can vote for the obnoxious asshole who will probably be a shitty President and vote the same damn way as Hillary nine times out of 10, but will at least be hated by the GOPe and SJWs.

That's it, those will probably be the choices. It's horrifying and it makes me want to cry.

But please think carefully. For the love of God, can we at least go down kicking and screaming instead of actually voting for the worst of our enemies?

If nothing else, you horndogs need to ask yourselves who you'd rather look at and listen to for the next 8 fucking years; Shrillary or Melania.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (q1FtT)

394
Donald Trump: A "fascist" and a "psychopathic monster."

Hillary Clinton: Qualified, acceptable and deserving of my public endorsement and support.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (kdS6q)

395 This reminds me of a game my kids used to play "would you rather"? i.e. needle in the eye or a bullet in the dick?
Good times..

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (k8tEg)

396 >>Who said that? I actually have to work sometimes so I missed that

Proof that you don't read the posts!

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (/tuJf)

397 This is YUUUUUGE!

Posted by: That guy who always says... at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (Dwehj)

398 I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Fuck, I can't go there with you. Shame. Enjoy.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (8b2u+)

399 >> imminent domain

I LOVE THE UNEDUCATED!

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (MvFEq)

400 >>>Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Been there for awhile myself and completely understand.

Here's a hint to all those that are just shocked!

It's YOU not him.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (/E+t2)

401 Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

1> He'll be an amusing president, hilarious as the world burns

2> There's a chance that, given his ability to run multiple extremely valuable businesses, he'll pick quality leaders and agency people, cleaning house and getting things running better

3> He might actually follow through on at least some of his immigration rhetoric.

4> Trump does actually seem to love America and share at least some of the horrified outrage we feel toward what has happened over the last 8 or so years.

5> Trump would almost certainly be very pro-business and business-friendly, a huge change from the last president

6> Trump would so horrify and outrage the elite limp wristed pajama boy elite that some might really follow through and leave the country

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:06 PM (39g3+)

402 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Didn't you say in a previous post that you voted for Bill Clinton? The Clintons that have been a plague on this country?

Yeah, I've never voted for a democrat in my life. I'm voting for Trump. I wasn't wrong about Reagan, Palin or Trump. I'm batting 100%.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (bRWtO)

403 Oh I see who said it..to bad..I think that is a very short sighted point of view

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (mw8Dm)

404 Can't argue with any of what ace says here. I'll take Trump all day every day over current lame ass or cankles. Nothing else matters in November. Trump at least talks about winning. Every current elected R in DC only cares about losing in a way where Politico labels them 'one of the few reasonable'...

Posted by: ajlfour at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (5Zux8)

405 >>>>what nonsense. How is "hypocrisy" that she posed for glamor shots, unless you're claiming that's a "War on Women" itself, which is a way to claim it's immoral?

She asked a BS question, he got mad about it. People started white knighting because he was picking on the poor innocent girl. Some idiot called her a bimbo; Trump being Trump re-tweeted that, the white knighting got worse (although I agreed with them on this point), and then some other person puts up those photos.

Calling her a bimbo was unfair and uncalled for, but so was pretty much every question in that entire debate for anyone not named Jeb Bush. The hypocrisy is when people claim that girls are all tough and stuff and should be allowed in the ring, but don't you dare hit them back. It's Hillary Clinton's defense for everything (that and the vast right wing conspiracy).

I personally don't have a problem with Megyn Kelly posing for any magazine. The only problem I had with her this year was the shilling for Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.

I do question why a 69-year old man has not yet figured out that his mouth tends to get him in trouble.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (JxMoP)

406 Meh...guess the lines have been drawn. So much for voting for Cruz.

All the best folks and may you and your families live in peace and prosperity.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (WnCSK)

407 250
Ah ... Come on, Vic. All I said is she looks better with short hair. Didn't say I wouldn't hit it.

Lorrie Morgan ... Also looks better with short hair.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (zfvHs)

Almost all women look better with long hair. And when Megyn cut hers I was very disappointed. But I am no longer because I don't get Fox anymore.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (vvmPQ)

408 For those who are making the argument that Trump is the smartest, most reasonable choice on offer in either party...well, nothing this liberal says is going to change their minds anyway, but, speaking on behalf of sentient beings everywhere:

What? The? Fuck?
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (oUDMc)

Heh.

Because a nation without borders isn't a country, and Trump is the #1 choice for borders.

Everything else doesn't matter all that much compared to that one issue. And your concept of respectability matters the least of all.

You're going to vote for a traitorous felon, you have no business lecturing anyone about respectability.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (1D4Ef)

409 Until now I had never actually seen a picture of Mrs. Don Trump.

Really.

And you know what? Not impressed. She's got fake pulled skin and breasts. Some women do face jobs that make them look like trannies. She would be one of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (TOk1P)

410 Turnip is not running for Pope. He's running for Asskicker and this country needs a good asskicker.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (Nwg0u)

411 I knew going into this that I was going to have to sell my soul to finally get something done about immigration.

I'm not about to pussyout an start complaining when my soul is taken for payment.

So yeah, I'm gladly supporting Trump despite all the nonsense (both the real from Trump's mouth and he overwhelmingly fake nonsense from his opponents on both sides).

Sorry, Trump might still be a slim shot at stopping our self-inflicted suicide at the border, but he's still a better shot than Ted Cruz given his history of handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to illegals at the border.

Posted by: Rory at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (P5U01)

412 Cruz had nothing to do with it. Wink wink.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (wLLbf)

413 Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (+Fl7e)

Well said jeff. How's school going by the way?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (/E+t2)

414 And I will close this thread now. I am at least 100 posts behind and I need to work on income tax.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (vvmPQ)

415 >>>All kidding aside folks, anyone who can't or won't acknowledge, that Trump suffers from a mental condition

yeah, there's something wrong with him. A lot of it could just be Rich Kid Syndrome -- he's been surrounded by yes-men all his life, he simply has no idea how to deal with people as if they were his equals deserving of basic respect.

everyone in trump's world is either a sycophant, and employee he can boss around, or, if not part of group 1 or group 2, an Enemy.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (dciA+)

416 I really do not understand why people get so invested in a candidate.
I am talking about both of these guys not just Trump.
You really think that the powers that be are going to let this get away from them and that you are going to beat them?
Hope is nice to have but a better thing to do is get your self prepared for bad times.

Posted by: MarkC at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (iWFQR)

417 Clinton over Trump, eh?

Tell me, friend, when did Saruman the Wise abandon reason for madness?

I'm deleting the bookmark.

Thanks for all the fish.

Posted by: It's Been Nice at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (26SK/)

418 at the rate this is going I might just unregister to vote. it seems like a better choice at this point.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (SYgVN)

419 Bander, hasn't "the other side is worse!!! eleventy" been the heart of the GOPe "case" in many big elections for years now? Or, at least, the limp rationalization?

Not that it was/is wrong. It wasn't/isn't.

People darkly snark about choosing the lesser of two evils, but in a Trump/Hillary election, wouldn't it be almost a pure, laboratory case of this? With, to be sure, a giant question mark of uncertainty over the Trump choice.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (QDnY+)

420 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Ace;

WTF? an American killing lying felon and former Sec. of State gets your vote!!! Unbelievable...

Posted by: STl Hawkeye at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (Tcgst)

421 Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:04 PM (SEFXb)

You said it with so much more class than I did!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (q1FtT)

422
Ace:

NAILED IT.

That is all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (p4UlV)

423 >>Hillary is the Japanese monster movie version of Dick Nixon

Awesome.

MechaHillary

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (MvFEq)

424 Who said that? I actually have to work sometimes so I missed that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (mw8Dm)

Ace. Hard to read the TLDR posts, I understand.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (1D4Ef)

425 I mentioned the other night that your vote is your own to do with as you please, and that I won't chastise anybody for not voting as I would.

But I wouldn't vote for Hillary unless I actually wanted her to win, which I don't. If I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump, I would vote Libertarian, write in my cat's name, or stay home. All are valid options.

Unless, that is, Ace actually believes Trump would be worse than Hillary, which I find baffling.

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (zoehZ)

426 I'd vote for a gawt damned organ grinder's monkey before I'd vote for Hillary.

**********

I have arrived!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (mcm0N)

427 Trump is emotionally unstable,IMO.

Yet, Trump >> Hillary because while Trump is raging narcissist, he has no real agenda and will be too into himself to actively oppress you. Hillary, in the other hand, is ideologically motivated and will do her best to make your life hell.

Where's that CS Lewis quote about the worst type of tyrant?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (SEFXb)

428 I've been watching Band of Brothers. For some reason I've been thinking of Speirs lately:

Lt. Ronald Speirs: Do you know why you crawled into that ditch Blithe?

Private Albert Blithe: I was scared.

Lt. Ronald Speirs: We're all scared. You crawled into that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe? The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. Only then can you function the way a soldier is supposed to function. Without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.

Posted by: Witchdoktor at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (eytER)

429 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

A statement like this will pretty much guarantee you get laid at any of the Upper East Side Starbucks.

And if you look around, even by a woman.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (Zs4uk)

430 I will vote for the Republican nominee, regardless.

Nothing will harsh my mellow today. My code's in production. The customer is happy. I'll be here for another week, just in case something horrible pops up. I've got the next gig already lined up. Hell, I might even go over to Little Bangkok this evening for some of their spicy Pad Thai.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (bpn7O)

431 I don't even get the last sentence of the last Trump tweet. Honestly, the man is a mess.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (SEFXb)

432 I would never vote for John "Micropenis" Kasich.

I would never vote for Hillary "KasichClit" Clinton.

I would always vote for Ted "Shellaleigh" Cruz.

That said, in November I will probably vote for Melania's learning-disabled husband because a hot First Lady will improve the morale of the Secret Service and annoy the shit out of the ISIS cockroaches.

Stay Turgid, Morons.

Posted by: SnakePlizzken at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (qggQr)

433 80 >>>14 so Trumps wife takes fire (so to speak) and we expect the guy to sit and take it? And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with Cruz, we all know there's back channel coordination between these things and the campaign.

Posted by: Tradd

...

there you go -- we'll make up whatever lies are necessary to defend The Leader.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

>>>>> The fact is my strong belief there's coordination between the PAC and the campaign - (of ALL PACS and their campaigns) is as valid and fact-based as your belief the PAC was unrelated. Which seems naive to me, but you can call my view cynical, so I guess that's a wash.

Disagreement with you does not always equal lies.

Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (GSJcT)

434 Do we need testing for?:
Virtue Signalling and Altruistic Punishment.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (DL2i+)

435 If my precious GOP nominates that dipshit demagogue brownshirt fascist Trump I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

I want a PURE nominee, like that wonderful Mitt Romney was back in 2012. I was SO SURE he was going to win, what with his allure to the Hispanics and perfect manners and sensible reasonable bipartisan positions and his perfect hair and perfect face and perfect hands...

This conservative blog is READY FOR HILLARY! WOOT WOOT RAISE THE ROOF GIRL!

Posted by: Doppelganger Ace at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (uzNN5)

436 Related to Aces declaration, I am not sure what thread it was on. But some one declared that all posts that discuss negatives regarding the Donald should have the caveat "but I will vote for him if he is the Party nominee", or something like that.

To that, I reply, I left the Party after they put up McCain. I am not a party man. I vote based on my own principles, not the Party's directive. I vote based on who represents my views, not based on someone else's declaration that this candidate or that is " electable" (that's how we got stuck with Romney).

Finally, while no candidate is ever a perfect fit, there can be a close enough, just as there can be a no way in hell.
Cruz is principled. And has more integrity than anyone currently in the race.

Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (Gl74b)

437 Interesting that Bush graduated from Harvard and was (and is) regarded as stupid (an idiot actually), and Trump graduated from Wharton and is known to have a high IQ (97th percentile), yet also is now being portrayed as an idiot. Reagan, before being acknowledged as "the great communicatory" was widely acknowledged to be an idiot.

I don't really care. Cruz has said plenty of stupid shit. I'd vote for him. Trump has a hair trigger mouth out of which spews a lot of wild crap.

But to irrationally diminish either in excess of how they diminish themselves? Hell with it. Go ahead.

Dershowitz call Cruz brilliant - that, under the bizarre conditions of this election cycle is good enough for me. Trump's obvious successes, notwithstanding the excessive, irrational, over the top, incessant attempts to diminish them, is also good enough for me.

This election, I guarangoddamned T you, we WILL get the leadership we deserve.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (4ng05)

438 "I'm still stuck on what to do.

Sit at home. Don't vote?"

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You people are nuts. The Clintons over Trump?

Lots of sand you know where.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (bRWtO)

439 Drider, please prove where Ted directed that PAC to do that ad.
Those saying Cruz was behind the PAC ad, please provide proof.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (u0kqM)

440 >>>Because a nation without borders isn't a country, and Trump is the #1 choice for borders.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullsit.

Trump's for touch-back amnesty and he admitted in one of the debates he's for more h1b visas. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (/E+t2)

441 Also, kind of a bitter irony that some Trump supporters are starting in on the "Whaddaya gonna do, vote for a DEMOCRAT?!" line that always set my teeth on edge when the GOP of yesteryear pulled it.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (nKOXj)
--------------------------------------------

Especially since Trump himself is essentially still a Democrat.

Posted by: November can't come fast enough at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (TxJGV)

442 Posted by: Don Quixote at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (RK8AH)

I don't you to write it out. Just give me a link.

Posted by: krakatoa at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (RCS9o)

443 "I've never voted for a democrat in my life. I'm voting for Trump. I wasn't wrong about Reagan, Palin or Trump. I'm batting 100%."
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (bRWtO)

He said, mere moments before his cart crushed his horse.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (MvFEq)

444 Ok, I'm a big time Trump supporter but I have to be honest.
I don't think the shot of Trumps wife laying on the fur rug is all that special in fact something is off about it.

And yeah it's better than the shot of Teddy's wife at the onset of a mental breakdown but who ever looks good when they are slipping into a meltdown?

Posted by: Drider at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (bdzyz)

445 Eh, you'd have to tell really filthy lies to defend Hillary. She set up a "charity" that was supposed to help the poor people of Haiti after a disaster and kept all the money as a slush fund for herself. She was involved in securities fraud, money laundering. She sold State secrets for personal gain. She ran the State Department from a home server to evade scrutiny. She left 50 people to die in Libya in a terrorist attack on Septermber 11 to keep terrorism out of the news before an election. She filed false criminal complaints against people so she could replace them with cronies. She put a filmmaker in jail as a scapegoat. She destroyed official documents. She compromised the whole classification system for email resulting perhaps in the deaths of US assets overseas. She is personally nasty to people who work for her (Trump is not).

As a thought experiment, just try defending one thing -- her home brew server, where a Romanian cab driver was able to hack in and would read her emails every day and try to make a convincing argument that she was doing the right thing. Trump's embarrassing but don't act like defending Hillary Isn't a shit sandwich too.

Posted by: Poncey at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (69URn)

446
So you know he won't win anyway, isn't it worth voting for him just
to give the Left AND the GOPe a gigantic raspberry, if nothing else?

If all you want to do is "give the Left AND the GOPe a gigantic raspberry", and you think Trump is going to lose anyway, why does that rule out voting third party?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (+Fl7e)

447 Can't argue with any of what ace says here. I'll
take Trump all day every day over current lame ass or cankles. Nothing
else matters in November. Trump at least talks about winning. Every
current elected R in DC only cares about losing in a way where Politico
labels them 'one of the few reasonable'...

Posted by: ajlfour at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (5Zux

Only thing I would say in argument with Ace would be, so what?

At this point, there are two possibilities: Hillory is elected, and she's a terrible President. Don Trump is elected and he's a terrible President.

You don't get a third option. There is no "maybe we can elect THAT guy, and he won't be so terrible." Nope. These are your choices, folks.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (TOk1P)

448 Why is that? Trump is claiming to speak for *me*, as a conservative, by running as a Republican.

_________

You're under the impression that Republicans are about being conservative? Whatever gave you THAT idea?

Seems to me they're about TALKING conservative. IIRC Ace posted some analysis a while back that concluded what actually unites Republicans isn't conservatism but patriotism and national security concerns. Makes sense to me. Some conservatives want prayer in classrooms, others do not. Some think being conservative means opposing LGBT stuff, others think that being conservative means LGBT stuff is none of government's business. Some think that being republican means you support the most classically conservative candidate, some thing it means smearing the most conservative candidate as a racist and talking as many democrats as possible into voting in the republican primary so Thad Cochran can keep his job.

So what does it mean to be a conservative? What does it mean to be a republican? Isn't that part of what we're sorting out?

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (E8Cq0)

449 Okay, for me it's this:

Ted Cruz: best choice to bring sense to our overseas interventions, best choice to beat the shit out of the Federal bureaucracy (which IMO is the biggest threat).

Donald Trump: a crapshoot. Like setting fire to your ex-wife's boyfriend's single-wide. Maybe he spends a year in intensive care before he dies and you pee on his grave and post the video on youtube, maybe you get arrested and spend two decades best buddies with Bubba The Butt Bomber.

Bernie: the Sandinista. There are few things worse than having to vote for a Sandinista for President of the United States, especially when the GOP Congressional leadership is so utterly deserving of being chained to oars in a slave galley and rowed into a typhoon.

Hillary: the Felon. This is what's worse than a Sandinista. No, never, under no circumstance. Bernie first. Trump first. If it's Hillary then there needs to be a GoFundMe for an ISIS 747.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (o+SC1)

450 Maybe Trump's problem is that he knows real estate, self promotion and bankruptcy, and nothing else.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (TJCSB)

451 I think it's sinking in Cruz can't win. And if there is a brokered convention then what? Demands to vote for the pick?

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (zOTsN)

452 everyone in Clinton's world is either a sycophant, and employee she can boss around, or, if not part of group 1 or group 2, an Enemy.

FIFY.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (Bdeb0)

453 You know, I can see voting for the other party if you think your party's candidate is going to implement policies detrimental to your country. But in the last 3 weeks, the only attacks from Ace and the other establishment bloggers have been on Trump's character and personality.

They are threatening to vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump as a person.

Sure, they actively helped take out every single competitor to Romneycare one at a time last go around to try to nominate the grandfather of Obamacare and the epitome of big government liberalism policy making. When the anyone-but-Romneycare voters didn't bother voting, we did it because of policy, not because of his personality or religious beliefs.

But this year is so different. The establishment and it's bloggers went to the mat to take out the populist candidates - they pulled out the brass knuckles and their plan failed most heinously. Now, based on nothing more than personality differences and character assassination, they are throwing the last kitchen sinks they can find and threatening to vote for Hillary because of personality and character and NOT because of policy.

Posted by: doug at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (ZA06B)

454 There is no retconning of her history to make a vote for her honorable.

+awholelot

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 12:12 PM (DL2i+)

455 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Who said that? I actually have to work sometimes so I missed that

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The head Ewok. It's in the post itself.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 12:12 PM (Nwg0u)

456
Hey Ace, it's one thing to never vote Trump, quite another to actually vote for Hillary.

I'm a Cruz guy, but geesh, anyone voting for Hillary is...well I won't say it.

Posted by: dave at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (Q39AM)

457 Trump is like a 14 year mean girl. The only difference is that the girl eventually grows up, whereas Donald will never stop acting like a little bitch.

Posted by: taylork at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (Mc50e)

458 >>> Because a nation without borders isn't a country, and Trump is the #1 choice for borders.
****

Elaborate. WHY is the the #1 choice? Is it is backtracking? Is it his apparent unfamiliarity with the policies on his own website?

What makes him better than the people he cribbed the policy from or the many other people who have supported the same policy (on his website, not the mess that keeps contradicting himself about) or proposed equal or stronger policies?

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (XItbt)

459 at March 24, 2016 11:59 AM (326rv)>>>

Voting third party is not a gesture, it's a message. If enough people sent the same message, pols might take note. Instead, most people keep voting for more of the same and the pols see no need to change from the course they have us on - which is straight for the cliff.
Posted by: gm

We don't give a shit about your message. We care about ours.

Remember the Tea party? That was a message. Remember what we did to it?

Remember the fights just to get on all fifty ballots? You should; we're the ones fighting you.

We've grown used to an ever shrinking electorate.
We've grown used to relying on those who still pull the party levers, or an electorate tat is bought and paid for.

And we try to treat this things as coronations.

One of us is running a drunk stroke victim who can't keep her lies straight.

The other is running a "sensible chap" whose idea of sensibility is to have a dem VP and promise the thing tat enrages his own party.

Take a guess as to how much we value your message.

Posted by: Both parties at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (326rv)

460 Write in Damien Thorn for President!

Just because he's the Anti-Christ doesn't mean he doesn't stand for good government.

Although being born in Rome to a dog might disqualify him.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (J+n2j)

461 Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

Posted by: krakatoa

maybe -
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (DL2i+)

462 everyone in trump's world is either a sycophant, and employee he can boss around, or, if not part of group 1 or group 2, an Enemy.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 12:08 PM (dciA+)

yeah I am not sure that is accurate or fair or that we have enough evidence to say that. He has gotten the support of other business men and politicians who are not his employees or family. Personally i think he is , to be charitable 'Unique" maybe a tad unbalanced... but I don't think we know enough about him to make blanket assertions and THAT bothers me more than anything.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (mw8Dm)

463 Hillary is for importing more potential jihadists into this country. She won't do a thing to stop the flood. The next boom, I guess, is on her voters.

Posted by: ejo at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (il4FI)

464 *spots trident*

Posted by: Brick Tamlin at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (JO9+V)

465 @408 Heh.

>>Because a nation without borders isn't a country, and Trump is the #1 choice for borders.

Everything else doesn't matter all that much compared to that one issue. And your concept of respectability matters the least of all.

You're going to vote for a traitorous felon, you have no business lecturing anyone about respectability.

Easy, straw man warrior. I think you're arguing with someone else. I never said the word respectability. These people are all running for president - by definition none of them are respectable.

On borders: You really think he's gonna build that wall for you, huh? And Mexico's going to pay for it? Have you ever heard the phrase "When you're getting something for free, the thing that's being sold is you." ?

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (oUDMc)

466 At this point, there are two possibilities: Hillory is elected, and she's a terrible President. Don Trump is elected and he's a terrible President.

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Third possibility. Someone other than Trump wins the nomination and then wins the presidency.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (gmeXX)

467 >>>i think he's more dangerous than hillary, and no, not "dangerous' in a "cool" way.
he's a danger to the constitution and to the safety and security of
the US. He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or
hobby.

Ace, I appreciate your response. And I appreciate the perspective you must have based on your monitoring everything that's going on, as you do.

Bottom Line: the left has been at WAR with the culture of our country for DECADES and their end-goal of hegemony is in sight. Even if I find much of what Trump does seedy, erratic, or despicable it's either the Republican nominee or destruction.

Voting is a collective act, just like war. Our grandfathers didn't sit out WW2 because because Patton said fuck and shit and slapped a soldier in the hospital. We need to vote for the man with the R....or destruction.

Posted by: BuzzKarma at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (0NTrL)

468 Turnip is not running for Pope. He's running for Asskicker and this country needs a good asskicker.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 12:07 PM (Nwg0u)

Yeah, We already have an ass kicker president, the only problem is its our asses he is kicking

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (3mTyP)

469 Hillary, in the other hand, is ideologically motivated and will do her best to make your life hell.

Where's that CS Lewis quote about the worst type of tyrant?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (SEFXb)

I'm not convinced that she's ideological at all. I think she's much more self interested. At least interested in all those fat stacks of cash. I think whatever ideology she has is just her means to the end (of getting more money).

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (SYJKJ)

470 The thing is, people voting for Trump because they want him to be a destroyer should understand wanting Hillary to win in a Trump vs. Hillary election. If we think we're fucked, may as well let the other guys win and take some of the blame for the burning times.

Sure, you can say that the GOP will get blamed no matter what, but I'm not sure I believe that. I think that if Kerry wins in 2004, we probably never get Obamacare because the Dems never manage a veto-proof majority to shove it down our throats. It was winning in 2004 that led to such huge losses in 2006 and 2008.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (4/i9Y)

471 The takeaway from this post: "I can't stand the GOPe, but I'm going to vote just like they are, for the democrat."

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2016 12:14 PM (Qvgg/)

472 I saw that.

I was wondering when Ace would post on this. I also wonder how many bannings this will draw.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 24, 2016 12:14 PM (hLRSq)

473 All kidding aside folks, anyone who can't or won't acknowledge, that Trump suffers from a mental condition

I dunno, everyone at that level of power seems to be oblivious to the real world and other people to one degree or another. Some just are better at hiding it than others.

Here's some inside baseball: New Yorkers either hate Trump to an irrational frothing degree or think he's just great. There's no middle ground there. Ace is surrounded by these guys.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:14 PM (39g3+)

474 I think Ace is just really angry at this moment about all the support Trump is getting when a more sane human and and actual conservative (note, I didn't say pure or perfect) with a track record of same is in the race. I myself am quite flabbergasted by it but have resigned myself to the inevitable.

He won't actually vote for Hillary when it comes down to it.

I hope?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (SEFXb)

475 >>They are threatening to vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump as a person.

This. And anyone who dares observe that Ted Cruz is a creepy Ernest Angley doppelganger is lambasted for being superficial.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (Bdeb0)

476 To be fair...

Remember those long, scathing, well-written take downs Ace posted of politicians, media and bloggers who wrote crazy lies and insults of Sarah Palin?

Neither do I.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (Zs4uk)

477 Bander, hasn't "the other side is worse!!! eleventy" been the heart of the GOPe "case" in many big elections for years now? Or, at least, the limp rationalization?

Posted by: rhomboid

Nailed it.

Voting has always been such with few exceptions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (A/3fN)

478 everyone in trump's world is either a sycophant, and employee he can boss around, or, if not part of group 1 or group 2, an Enemy.

Posted by: ace

you're should diagram how hillary is any different because I don't see it. and she's already abused power and will have a compliant press to cover up. trump hasn't and won't have the press covering.

Posted by: x at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (nFwvY)

479 i'd hit that...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (sm9eL)

480
You people are nuts. The Clintons over Trump?

Lots of sand you know where.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (bRWtO)

You can hate both candidates, you know.
I guess you have to decide you who hate more. For me, that probably is Hillary. But Trump is a fucking dumpster fire with incredibly bad impulse control who will be holding a fucking nuclear football and speaking for America to the rest of the world.
So yeah, fuck us if we have a hard time pulling that lever. Probably best to make fun of everyone who doesn't want to vote for him. Hearts and minds.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (2PHKP)

481 Hell, I might even go over to Little Bangkok this evening for some of their spicy Pad Thai.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (bpn7O)

Is that what the're calling it these days?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (q1FtT)

482 He's running for Asskicker and this country needs a good asskicker.

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Your idea of a President differs from mine.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

483 Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin

Oh! Forehead merkin is so worth stealing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (1xUj/)

484 he's a danger to the constitution and to the safety and security of the US. He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or hobby.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I find this line of thinking absolutely DELUSIONAL.

Your evidence of this ? He says and tweets mean things about people. Riiiiiiight. And from that you extrapolate... THE BOMB!!!!

That crap is as flimsy as tissue paper.

The NeverTrump contingency likes to argue that Trump lacks substance, that his speeches and policy ideas have no actual content.

Guess what ? So does this line of thinking against Trump.

At some point you need to accept that there is no debating with Trump supporters in hopes of rationally influencing them away from him. Again, he is THE middle finger candidate to all of DC. And your attacks against him are either ineffective because they are rooted in rational debate, which is pointless in the face of the F YOU candidate, or the serve to reinforce his status AS the F YOU candidate.

I guess it comes down to the last step in teh process - acceptance. Everyone in the NeverTrump crowd needs to basically accept that their emotional response to the Trump campaign defines them as being on the receiving end of the F YOU candidate's middle finger to all of DC.

Or you just have to step aside and realize that's what his candidacy is and you are simply powerless to change it.

I was a Trump supporter at one time, but with Cruz within striking distance, I see him as infinitely better. But at least I recognize Trump and his supporters for what they are.

Posted by: deadrody at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (vJOFB)

485 What? The? Fuck?

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:00 PM (oUDMc)

Reaching across the aisle for this sentiment... *fist bump*

The next 4 years are going to be pure shit.

Posted by: Cameron at March 24, 2016 12:02 PM (6aVBb)

Almost no matter what happens. I mean, we have a massive economic correction on the way, *or* grinding can-kicking action that will make it worse and still suck in the meantime.

I think maybe one of the remaining candidates will take that seriously, but it will *still suck*.

I can't keep up with the thread at this point.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (bLnSU)

486 Of course Ted Cruz had nothing to do with this. We have proof! It's written at the bottom of the ad. Irrefutable OJ style DNA certainty you morons! Does Mad King Ace really have to explain this to you?

Posted by: Reggie 1971 at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (i0qcw)

487
In bunker, hunkering down, waiting for the "all clear"...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (NHQQx)

488 And if there is a brokered convention then what? Demands to vote for the pick?
Posted by: ThunderB

Yeah, this will be a neat trick.

We threatened you with third parties, supporting Hillary, killing Cruz, stumping for Katshit.

Now shut up and vote.

Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the donkey.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (326rv)

489 Whoa, my last post left off closing brackets - my bad. It should have been this:

464 *spots trident*
Posted by: Brick Tamlin at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (JO9+V)

465 @408 Heh.

>>Because a nation without borders isn't a country, and Trump is the #1 choice for borders.

Everything else doesn't matter all that much compared to that one issue. And your concept of respectability matters the least of all.

You're going to vote for a traitorous felon, you have no business lecturing anyone about respectability.

Easy, straw man warrior. I think you're arguing with someone else. I never said the word respectability. These people are all running for president - by definition none of them are respectable.

On borders: You really think he's gonna build that wall for you, huh? And Mexico's going to pay for it? Have you ever heard the phrase "When you're getting something for free, the thing that's being sold is you." ?

*******

Apologies for confusion. I don't use tags because Barrel.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (oUDMc)

490 Trump posts a rude picture of Heidi: Facsist Monster!

Hillary is corrupt, incompetent, liar: You only live once.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (Nwg0u)

491 460 Write in Damien Thorn for President!

--

I've been watching the Damien tv show. A bit retro. I like it.

Posted by: @votermom at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (cbfNE)

492 "Where would one go for a clear list the non-stupid reasons to vote for Trump?

Posted by: krakatoa"

1) Since 1990 he thought we spent too much on foreign war (Kuwait) and seems to get we can't fund being policeman for the world.

2) Since 1990 he was against the "free trade" that sold out our manufacturing. He is still right on that, and Cruz is still a squish (at best) on TPP.

3) And Trump has been strongest on stopping third world immigration/invasion.

4) Trump fearlessly breaks the PC norms ... (but pays a price for that)

Those are the best reasons off the top of my head. His "strategy" of attacking people to destroy them seems somewhat effective, but he could use a campaign manager to filter some of his apparently reactive tweeting.

But the use of destroying political enemies as haters and racists worked very well for the left, and is now used against Trump, and Cruz. But Trump doesn't seem to understand the use of a third party to do the attacking, so he slings the mud himself. Many conservatives see past that, and still support him. But the establishment may well win in the end ... time will tell.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (N8i7l)

493 Cruz cannot win because his voters hate all the king's horses and all the king's men that are trying to put Ted's coalition together again. Ted did himself in.

I am the king of hate and King of pain--Ted can't bring that like I can --he's a poor Canadian imitation of that.

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:16 PM (mcm0N)

494 "everyone in trump's world is either a sycophant, and employee he can boss around, or, if not part of group 1 or group 2, an Enemy."

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Like you know him personally. Like you know what long term friendships he has.

But of course, Hillary is a proven criminal and you are not 'embarrassed' to vote for her.

This place has always been a libertarian hang out. It's not remotely conservative.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (bRWtO)

495 I have been here for years.

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (MvFEq)

496 >>>Mentioning He Who Shall Not Be Named in a comparison to Ace is kind of a dick move.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (kFnmp>>>

Ace already mocked the lgf comparison. As if disagreeing with a minority of your readership is what lgf did.

Posted by: gm at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (ZhS1Q)

497 461
maybe -
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker
Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (DL2i+)

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (zoehZ)

498 Glenn Beck apparently bit or scratched Ace; we're just gonna have to wait for the full moon to wane a bit.

Posted by: 3.14159 at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (MaINI)

499 475
>>They are threatening to vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump as a person.

This. And anyone who dares observe that Ted Cruz is a creepy Ernest Angley doppelganger is lambasted for being superficial.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (Bdeb0)

You can't seriously think those two are remotely close. Or maybe you can.

One is a comment about a guys face.
One is a comment about a guys character.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (2PHKP)

500 Anyone hear the news about the Tay AI twitter bot? Pretty funny stuff. Was calling Ted Cruz a cuban hitler.

Posted by: Draki at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (lNK80)

501 Your idea of a President differs from mine.
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (gmeXX)[i/]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Indeed. And your idea of a President has become an ineffective laughing stock. Combine with an idea of a Congress that is an ineffective laughing stock.

Posted by: deadrody at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (vJOFB)

502 Ted --Canadian Bacon--it's cooked!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (mcm0N)

503 Mair even took ownership of ad on Twitter to trump, but he still blames Cruz.

Posted by: Carol at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (sj3Ax)

504 At this point, there are two possibilities: Hillory
is elected, and she's a terrible President. Don Trump is elected and
he's a terrible President.

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Third possibility. Someone other than Trump wins the nomination and then wins the presidency.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (gmeXX)

I understand the desire to BELIEVE that's possible, but it just isn't. Nobody else is going to get more delegates, and WHATEVER Gope does to wrest this thing into their hands, will alienate the people who are superficially tethered to the Republican Party. There won't be enough Gopes left to win this thing. Thus, President Hillory.

And they know that already. They're still going to do whatever they need to do to deny Trump. Which is fine. That's their choice.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (TOk1P)

505 Trump is incompatible with traditional Republican values. Yes, I know many Republicans are incompatible with traditional Republican values, but not to this extreme. Yes, he represents a big middle finger to the GOP Establishment. Unfortunately, he also represents a big middle finger to conservatives (who are already sick of having to vote for the likes of McCain and Romney). You can choose to burn down the GOP establishment (and possibly the party itself) or you can choose to fortify it with a renewed sense of purpose. You can't do both. You can't set the fire and then complain when it burns everything down. By the way, the Democrats aren't going to be destroying their own party... do the math.

Posted by: Myself at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (5wiU6)

506 >>>Trump posts a rude picture of Heidi: Facsist Monster!
Hillary is corrupt, incompetent, liar: You only live once.

Seems to me one of those folks is running to be President of the USA and one of them isn't. Maybe the difference is based on that? Maybe?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (0q2P7)

507 For years and years I've been frustrated at Republicans who refused to support the Republican candidate for President, but if Trump's the nominee, I'll have joined their ranks. I can't think of a more inappropriate candidate for the party. It's beyond belief that he's got this far.

Posted by: dabhidh at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (Es7YA)

508 Nothing will harsh my mellow today. My code's in production. The customer is happy. I'll be here for another week, just in case something horrible pops up. I've got the next gig already lined up. Hell, I might even go over to Little Bangkok this evening for some of their spicy Pad Thai.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 24, 2016 12:09 PM (bpn7O)

------------------

Same here. Then wind is dying down here and most of the weekend looks pleasant. Gonna enjoy my hobby for a day and then do yard work the next. Oh yeah. I've got three days this weekend, so I'll probably watch some movies too.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (Fmupd)

509 @408

Jeez, what's up with the blog? It won't take closing brackets. They should have appeared after the word "respectability" to close your quote. This is like a whole other kind of barrel.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (oUDMc)

510
Vote Democrat: The Free Speech Party

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (kdS6q)

511 I've never voted democrat and I'm not going to ruin that streak by voting for Trump. And obviously, I won't be voting for Clinton. It's either going to be a write-in or 3rd party. We'll see.

Posted by: unclemilo at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (OhTAN)

512 I'm supposed to believe that Michelle Obama used to get whistled at?

Posted by: I am Kasich, Son of Mailman at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (v9gSJ)

513 Ok, let's see.
On one side a narcissistic billionaire who has the progressives AND the Republican progressives throwing exorcist-like fits.
On the other side, a treasonous harridan who hates America and has blood on her hands.
Tough, tough decision, I agree.
...Not.

Posted by: Martell at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (Uv6nR)

514 Of course Ted Cruz had nothing to do with this. We
have proof! It's written at the bottom of the ad. Irrefutable OJ style
DNA certainty you morons! Does Mad King Ace really have to explain
this to you?

Posted by: Reggie 1971

So your proof Cruz had something to do with the ad is that there is no proof that he had anything to do with the ad.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (TJCSB)

515 I'm voting for Captain Obvious. He's running now.

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (v0/PR)

516 Can't wait to see this place after Trump wins the nomination and again after he schlongs hildawg in the general Reagan-style.

Posted by: LB at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (qgFIz)

517 499 475
>>They are threatening to vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump as a person.

********

Wonder where the hell they got that idea!? Sad!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (mcm0N)

518 Here's some inside baseball: New Yorkers either hate Trump to an irrational frothing degree or think he's just great. There's no middle ground there. Ace is surrounded by these guys.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:14 PM (39g3+)

Nah, I'm not in New York and don't discuss politics with almost anyone in meat space, but it's pretty clear to me the man has some serious issues, just compared to other humans.

If Trump was just a regular Joe and he behaved this way, what would people think of him? I think all the glitz and glamour actually make him seem more normal because they distract from the fact that he has issues.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (SEFXb)

519 He's running for Asskicker and this country needs a good asskicker.

---------

Your idea of a President differs from mine.

-
Well, we've got an apologizer in chief and tango dancer now.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (Nwg0u)

520 he's a danger to the constitution and to the safety and security of the US. He's a danger to anyone who relies on free speech for his job or hobby.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

Again I did see where you have the evidence to make a blanket assertion like that. Yeah I know he has sais some damn stupid things but we do have hard evidence that the Democrats would do EXACTLY that. So it it's not a choice of: a good choice or bad choice, but as usual a a whole lot of gray

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (mw8Dm)

521 Also, the "build the wall" crowd - what if it doesn't poll well? Trump is impossibly vain. He needs constant affirmation. He's a venal populist and I don't think he'd do anything as President that would jeopardize his approval ratings.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (4/i9Y)

522 Also, kind of a bitter irony that some Trump supporters are starting in on the "Whaddaya gonna do, vote for a DEMOCRAT?!" line that always set my teeth on edge when the GOP of yesteryear pulled it.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 24, 2016 12:05 PM (nKOXj)

Starting? *Starting?* It's been refrain #1 of some of 'em for *months*.

You only have two choices, they said, emulating their hated enemy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (bLnSU)

523 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

--

See, I'm the other way. I would much prefer not to have to vote for a person like Trump, but if my alternative is a person who we know deserves to be behind bars, I don't really have much choice. Trump is crude, intellectually incurious, and thinks he's a lot smarter than he really is. But he's not a felon.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 24, 2016 12:19 PM (KUaJL)

524 >>You can't seriously think those two are remotely close. Or maybe you can.

No value added.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (Bdeb0)

525 "Third possibility. Someone other than Trump wins the nomination and then wins the presidency."
---

LOLOLOLOLOL...

it's kinda early to be hitting the hard drugs, ain't it?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (sm9eL)

526 Andrew Jackson served 2 terms, and he governed out of a grudge against those who had spoken poorly of his wife.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (J+n2j)

527 Super PAC was started last September I believe & she put up a Go Fund Me account on a Saturday morning & took it down within half an hour.

Posted by: Carol at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (sj3Ax)

528 https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker
Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (DL2i+)

Don't see a list there. I do see someone upset that Cruz won't volunteer some pointless 2A proclamation (All current gun laws are unconstitutional) that Trump doesn't make himself.

Do you have a specific link to a clear "non-stupid" list of Trump qualifications?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (RCS9o)

529 It would appear that I am the alter-Sophie's Choice here. *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (Dwehj)

530 Here's how the real world works.

Either a Dem or a Rep will be the next president. Which means either Hillary or Trump will be the next president.

So when you don't vote for Trump, you are helping Hillary win.

You can spin it all you want to yourself about conscience or sending a message or whatever. But at the end of the day, when you don't vote for Hillary's only realistic opponent, you are in effect voting for Hillary.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (0LHZx)

531 @ 485 Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith

Thanks for the fist bump, sad as the cause may be. Meanwhile I'm busy breaking my own posts trying not to break the blog. Strangely fitting somehow.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (oUDMc)

532 All of this phony outrage tickles my funny bones.

This reminds me of a Mosque full of less than moderate muslims that have been laughing as one of their proxies burn and behead a few little Christian kids down the block but then fly into uncontrollable outrage when a hellfire missile nails the killers.

Odd stuff for sure.

Posted by: Drider at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (bdzyz)

533 525
>>You can't seriously think those two are remotely close. Or maybe you can.

No value added.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:20 PM (Bdeb0)

Irony.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (2PHKP)

534 Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (E8Cq0)

Please let me know if you start a blog.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (q1FtT)

535 Actually, the longer I stare at these pictures (which is quite a while now), the less I like them. In the top one you can basically see the outline of her right implant. I don't really enjoy fake boobehs (well, as much).

Posted by: ajmojo at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (1H9ox)

536 Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

I take that to mean that you would prefer not to vote at all in a Hillary vs Trump election. But, if Trump does the thing that you have been claiming will never happen - that people are delusional for even thinking it could happen - if Trump starts beating Hillary in the opinion polls, you will steel your resolve and vote for Hillary. Because you would rather live for the next 4-8 years in a country that is led by Hillary rather than one led by Trump.

I can understand why people are not behind Trump. But, it is beyond my understanding why anyone of the right, whatever Trumps's flaws and deficiencies, would think that those problems would be less under a President Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I look forward, as we get closer to the election, to your further posts making this argument more clear.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (R+30W)

537 I really is amazing to me how so many people completely ignore every single thing about Trump's record and keep repeating "He's the best on immigration!"

For his entire career, he's hired foreign workers en mass. He has, even during the debates, been a full throated supporter of expanding H1Bs for hospitality staff and kitchen staff. He has contradicted himself and backpedalled constantly on walls and ever other aspect of the policies people keep repeating.

Every candidate in the race except perhaps Jeb and Kasich had much stronger on immigration policies than Trump, even that worthless weasel Rubio.

We really are living Idiocracy.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (XItbt)

538 He won't actually vote for Hillary when it comes down to it.

I don't think he will. But right now he's so upset and so frustrated that he's yelling on his blog because its an outlet.

Ace is a brilliant guy who knows politics well, and he knows Hillary is far, far, far worse than Trump is. Its just in the moment we yell and rant and grit our teeth, its part of dealing with the huge crap sandwich we've all been forced to eat.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (39g3+)

539 "Third possibility. Someone other than Trump wins the nomination and then wins the presidency."

____

Tanned. Rested. Ready. Bitches!!

Posted by: John The Mailman Son Katshit at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (0LHZx)

540 He won't actually vote for Hillary when it comes down to it.

I hope?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (SEFXb)

This reminds me of a great line from a movie (I can't remember which one). A guy is talking to his friend and tells him that, while they've been great friends for decades he did steal something from him years ago. The other guy responds, "No you didn't!" to which he says,

"That's great! I tell you I'm a thief and you call me a liar."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (zc3Db)

541 >>If Trump was just a regular Joe and he behaved this way, what would people think of him?

'He was asking for it.'

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (MvFEq)

542
Hillary Clinton/Julian Castro 2016: Works For Me

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (kdS6q)

543 These are our choices? Jeezus F.

Or the demonic Hilary?

Bernie or John, please. Or someone else.

Posted by: Tattaglia in Miami at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (zmZ2x)

544 Trump's for touch-back amnesty and he admitted in one of the debates he's for more h1b visas. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (/E+t2)

And? If by touch-back amnesty, you mean illegals being removed from this country before being allowed to come back into the country legally? then so what? It's pretty obvious what the current law is.

For their first offense it's a misdemeanor and they are supposed to leave our country. They aren't supposed to be allowed back if it's a felony immigration violation or if they have committed one of a handful of specific felony crimes. Absent that, by current law, they are allowed back in.

The point being, YES, as long as they are deported, then some of them (the good ones who only have the initial misdemeanor offense) can be allowed back in LEGALLY.

As for more work visas. Put it this way. There might be 15 million illegal immigrants filling jobs in the U.S. If they are all deported, then it is quite obvious that we will be 15 million laborers SHORT of the demand for the workforce. Yes, some of that could be filled by Americans, but many millions will be filled by those eligible for "touch-back" legalization. Only problem is that they can't legally 'touch-back' if there aren't enough worker visas available.

Hence 10 million more visas in the first year assuming 15 million deportations - would actually be great news.

Posted by: doug at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (ZA06B)

545 Actually--I'm a plot by The Establishment to steal Ted's base.

Think about it, because I didn't!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (mcm0N)

546 498 Glenn Beck apparently bit or scratched Ace; we're just gonna have to wait for the full moon to wane a bit.

LMAO. /thread

Posted by: Foul Harold at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (FGvan)

547 Posted by: x at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (nFwvY)

How you like them apples?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (/E+t2)

548 Look, me, personally, someone needs to go out and bend knee to Kate Upton then run for President on the This Is My First Lady platform.

'Cause there ain't noting less Sharia-compliant that sideboob.

Never mind underboob, and overboob.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (o+SC1)

549 You can spin it all you want to yourself about conscience or sending a message or whatever. But at the end of the day, when you don't vote for Hillary's only realistic opponent, you are in effect voting for Hillary.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (0LHZx)

It do pain me some, but I agree 100%.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (mw8Dm)

550 " Trump has exactly two business successes: Being successfully born to his mother, and successfully outliving his father."

He got a business loan $1 Million from his father and became a multimillionaire in his own right before his father passed away in 1999. He became a multi-billionaire all by himself.

"He flaunts these major accomplishments to cover up the fact that he's stupid, lazy, uneducated, at least half-crazy, and ugly."

The guy is a well-documented work-a-holic. He's a graduate of Wharton and he's one of the sanest people out there.

Stupid, lazy and uneducated...jealous much?

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (bRWtO)

551 I came. Twice.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (gHcs+)

552 Trump is for anything that sounds good in the moment, and not really for anything at all. That's why he can make anti-Israel statements in the morning and stoutly pro-Israel speeches at dinner.

No principles at all. He intends to go to DC and start "making deals". He is so shallow that he doesn't understand it's like Israel and Palestine there, and total capitulation is the only strategy that gets you over the finish line. There are no deals, there is only victory.

Posted by: November can't come fast enough at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (TxJGV)

553 I got a fun email today from John McCain begging me to send money to Kasich. If anyone actually read replies to those emails, I'd write back "I'll send $100 to Kasich as soon as you finish building the dang wall".

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

554 It's beyond belief that he's got this far.
Posted by: dabhidh

Since it has happened, and since it didn't occur in an alternate dimension, by definition it is NOT beyond belief.

We can despair tat our party as failed so badly, or that our electorate is so willing to embrace this this, but NONE of it is beyond belief.

our ruling classes are failing right and left, both here and in Europe. This should be seen as inevitable.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (326rv)

555 >>Either a Dem or a Rep will be the next president. Which means either Hillary or Trump will be the next president.

Only, they are BOTH Dems.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (MvFEq)

556 Between Trump, Hillary or Sanders, I'm not so sure Hillary is the worst choice. She can't get anything done anyway so maybe she'll be harmless.

Posted by: CrustyB at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (GvSpB)

557 About That debate that trump,called Ted lying Ted, The Weekly Standard called him Lion Ted.

Posted by: Carol at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (sj3Ax)

558 They used DIEBOLD to steal Florida for me Laura Ingraham!

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (mcm0N)

559 Melania says we have fantastic sex every day. Sometimes more than once every day. I didn't tell her to say that either. With the equipment I have, there's no need for spin. I'm an urbane sophisticate with a large panini, is what I am.

Posted by: Teh Donald at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (Dttnn)

560 I got a fun email today from John McCain begging me to send money to Kasich. If anyone actually read replies to those emails, I'd write back "I'll send $100 to Kasich as soon as you finish building the dang wall".
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

I don't often say this, but I agree with you and I heartily approve.

*golf clap*

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (326rv)

561 Ace,

I am a Cruz supporter, but what if it's Trump vs. Hillary?
You're not just voting for the one position, you are voting for the president and all of his/her potential appointments. If there is ANY chance that Pres Hillary will appoint better individuals to the following positions, then maybe I can start to consider voting for Hillary:

Attorney General
Secretary of State
Treasury Secretary
Supreme Court
Lower courts

Posted by: Mike S at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (Gyg4r)

562 As Ross Perot might say, Now here's the deal ...

All this Trump angst will change, like a worm into a butterfly, when Trump seals up the nomination and ceases his attacks at Republicans and aims at Hillary. I GUARANTEE IT. (And you can't beat that ... it's a lifetime guarantee!"

For example, let's say Hillary starts with the "Trump is beneath the office of the presidency" meme. Trump's response: You mean like Monica Lewinsky was beneath the desk in the oval office?"

Or say Hillary says, "Trump's a crony capitalist." Trump responds, "Y'know, Martha Stewert served time for less insider trading than Hillary netted with her cattle futures deal."

Every single thing you've hated about the Clintons will finally be forced into the MSM spotlight. Will you appreciate that? You know you will.

And ... I GUARANTEE IT!

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (eXTZt)

563 Lots of us have been saying this since LAST JULY. I figure Hillary will be a disaster, but at least she'll be the Democrats' embarrassment. Hopefully we can rebuild in 2020.

Note to GOP: Get rid of the open primaries and, like the Democrats, introduce a healthy number of superdelegates so disasters like this can be avoided in the future.

Posted by: 2020 Is Only Four Years Away at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (uGddX)

564 Yeah, it's Cesar Chavez weekend. Go out and eat some grapes.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (iQIUe)

565 Morons have called for SMOD.

He has come in orange skin with a Golden Scalp Weasel.

Morons are now regretting calling for SMOD.

Too late, many Shuvs and Zuuls will learn what it is like to be roasted in the Slor, I tell you!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (hLRSq)

566 [em]Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.[/em]

No way would I do that. If I have to I'll vote for Trump as I figure at least both the Dems and Repubs will fight tooth and nail to stop him (shut down govt for a few years is fine by me). I would go third party before HRC - no way would I vote for her because the GOPe-Dem uniparty would go along with anything she wants rather than resisting.

Posted by: batter at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (SO7Xq)

567 How you like them apples?
Posted by: Arson Wells

maybe you and ace can hold hands on the way to the polling booth

Posted by: x at March 24, 2016 12:24 PM (nFwvY)

568 everyone in trump's world is either a sycophant, and employee he can boss around, or, if not part of group 1 or group 2, an Enemy.

Posted by: ace

So I guess you just totally discount every account that says his employees are fiercely loyal and say he is a great boss ?

I guess, again, it's appropriate that the content-free candidate is now countered by content-free attacks.

Posted by: deadrody at March 24, 2016 12:25 PM (vJOFB)

569 #496 Ace already mocked the lgf comparison

And Jharles practically broke his fat fingers punching up a post about it.

His supposed point was bashing Ace, but anyone who knows Jharles knows he was secretly THRILLED that someone...ANYONE...still name-checks him.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 24, 2016 12:25 PM (r9tFS)

570 "I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Anyone who would vote for Hellery fails the political means test and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting booth.

Sorry to say so, Ace, but, to coin a phrase, I'm out.

Posted by: nick at March 24, 2016 12:25 PM (VIP+M)

571 Ace is a brilliant guy who knows politics well, and he knows Hillary is far, far, far worse than Trump is. Its just in the moment we yell and rant and grit our teeth, its part of dealing with the huge crap sandwich we've all been forced to eat.

------------

Ace and I and many others will simply not vote for Trump. Period. You and Moo can spin that any way you want. If you think that is a vote for Hillary - so be it. But Trump (if he wins the nomination) is going to have to win this thing without a lot of reliable GOP voters.

I used to think he could still do it because Hillary is such a bad candidate. But I'm having more and more doubts on this.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:25 PM (gmeXX)

572 Nood.

Posted by: HH at March 24, 2016 12:26 PM (DrCtv)

573 Did anyone read Camille Paglia's latest analysis of the GOP presidential field?

There's a link to it at Drudge.

I think she makes an effective case for Trump. As for Heidi Cruz vs. Melania Trump, it's a Goldman Sachs + Bush foreign policy team gig + CFR vs. sultry hotness. Winner: Melania Trump!

I know, it's a personal opinion.

Posted by: mrp at March 24, 2016 12:26 PM (JBggj)

574 538 I really is amazing to me how so many people completely ignore every single thing about Trump's record and keep repeating "He's the best on immigration!"

For his entire career, he's hired foreign workers en mass. He has, even during the debates, been a full throated supporter of expanding H1Bs for hospitality staff and kitchen staff. He has contradicted himself and backpedalled constantly on walls and ever other aspect of the policies people keep repeating.

Every candidate in the race except perhaps Jeb and Kasich had much stronger on immigration policies than Trump, even that worthless weasel Rubio.

We really are living Idiocracy.
Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (XItbt)

____

I'm in favor of building a wall and deporting every illegal.

I'm also in favor or having foreign workers in the US, as long as they come in legally and leave when their visas expire.

Walking *AND* chewing gum. Crazy huh?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:26 PM (0LHZx)

575 Posted by: doug at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (ZA06B)

And what's your point? Trump's the best on immigration because everything illegal that is happening now will be legal under Trump?

That's the typical Trump flip flop response.

Must be aggravating have to defend duplicitous statements.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (/E+t2)

576 >>Every candidate in the race except perhaps Jeb and Kasich had much stronger on immigration policies than Trump, even that worthless weasel Rubio.

>>We really are living Idiocracy.

He spent an awful lot of time since 2014 telling anyone who would listen that Romney's illegal immigrant plan was "mean". But this is Mr Tough Guy on illegals?

Supporting Trump is all about believing whichever position Trump takes on any given day. Don't like his position on a certain issue today? Wait until tomorrow because it will change.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (/tuJf)

577 I'm even willing to grant preferential treatment in the camps for each and every wingnut voter!1!

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (Dwehj)

578 trump can take criticism and he can take a joke, he's been spoofed on
snl so many times over the last 2 decades you lose count; did not stop
him from hosting it twice. but business is business, and if during an acrimonious campaign someone is going to go after
him, he is going to hit back. good on him. reading the comments it
seems that the only thing wrong with him is not attracting a pac to do
the dirty work for him so he can looks nice and "presidential".

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (c6/9Q)

579
Hillary 2016: Because the Idea of Wesley Clark as Secretary of State and Loretta Lynch as AG for another Four Years make me Man-Damp.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (kdS6q)

580 i want to vote against hillary in nov......if cruz isn't the nomination and i'm realizing he may not be.....i want to be able to vote for trump....he has to learn to stay focused on issues and stay above the fray

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (0O7c5)

581 >>> He's running for Asskicker and this country needs a good asskicker
.....

I keep hearing that, yet his entire history shows nothing in the way of asskicking and a vast amount of sucking up to and supporting far left Democrats on virtually every issue.

You want an ass kicker? Look at Cruz's uphill battle against the GOP in his senate race. He took on the national GOP and won. He's continued to fight in the Senate. He's unequivocally called out McConnell several times and, with no other support, managed to stop some shit the GOP tries to force through.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (XItbt)

582 Ironically, this is the same magazine that published the Megyn Kelly black lingerie pictures -- which Trump fans have spent six months tweeting, to demonstrate that Megyn Kelly is immoral.

Uh, links? Those pictures won't just load themselves, you know.

Posted by: NukemHill at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (8yk2r)

583 So here is the story. Sleazy, ineligible Ted and his PAC coordinated the hit on Trump's wife to upset the straight-laced Mormon voters in Utah.

Cruz got caught, again.

Trump hasn't mentioned Heidi before but now it's time for the counter punch he brought on himself. Cruz deserves it.

Cruz is so pathetic he couldn't even muster up some real outrage... he had to start quoting a movie for dialogue. Now that's creepy.

He's not outraged, he's playing victim like he did after stealing votes from Carson. It's a pattern with Cruz.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (bRWtO)

584 >>I don't think he'd do anything as President that would jeopardize his approval ratings.

No algebra savant here, but it seems to me that where:
x = approval ratings
y = the will of the public
z = presidential action

If z leads to an increase in x, then y is expressed.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (Bdeb0)

585 Trump looks directly into the camera and with a S eating grin says, "I had sexual relations with that woman Melania Knauss."

Posted by: TheGAGLine at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (MGwX7)

586 "Lots of us have been saying this since LAST JULY. I figure Hillary will be a disaster, but at least she'll be the Democrats' embarrassment. Hopefully we can rebuild in 2020."

Up to 4 SCOTUS picks.

Ayep and Anope. Trumps picks will be fantastic and not directly alter any chance of you ever rebuilding anything that resembles conservatsim ever again.

I for one am glad that we have reached this pinnacle point in history. All of the principled BS that gave us 8 years of Obama will either save conservatism going forward or forever lose it.

Your move.

Posted by: Drider at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (bdzyz)

587 >>>Walking *AND* chewing gum. Crazy huh?

WOOSH!

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (/E+t2)

588 Just yesterday Romney joked at a Republican dinner: "Donald Trump has had several foreign wives, it turns out that there really are jobs Americans won't do."

Now you can say that Trump deserves the Melania taunts for turning the campaign into an eighth-grade taunting contest, but I see a broader pattern.

Romney wants the nomination. "It was Barzini all along." He thinks that he can deny Trump 1,237 and that he'll be the only viable alternative. It won't be Cruz and it won't be Kasich. Romney will say he's the heir presumptive because of 2012. Shut up and fall in line.

But it's highly likely that Trump will go into Cleveland with 1,237, because Cruz will fade as it becomes hyper-clear that he's running to be a spoiler.

If Romney had any balls he should have joined the race after Rubio flamed out in Florida. If he had won enough states and delegates from there to the end he could credibly say that he'd beaten the Trump beast and deserved the nomination from an open convention and not totally alienate Trump's supporters. But he didn't.

Once again, if Romney had gone at Obama the way he's going against Trump he would have won in 2012. But he didn't because he's a weasel.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (r1fLd)

589 The fairer comparison would have been to post pictures of Heidi Cruz next to Ivana Trump -- in which case, Heidi wins.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (df5V4)

590 If Hillary wins, then you'll see more of the same as the past 20 years.

If Trump wins, then you'll see a magical event where Congress becomes bipartisan and discovers their inner 3rd branch of gov't child in order to rein in Trump and please their masters.

Posted by: scrood at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (3b9U4)

591 I think Hillary is even crazier than Trump where it matters, but she just does a better job of reining it in in public.

Sure, Trump tweets childish, nasty stuff, but there is no way he's as vindictive as Hillary, who has a literal enemy's list.

And at least, Trump isn't hostile to Christians.

This of course is not praise of Trump. It just goes to show how vile Hillary is and keep things in perspective.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (SEFXb)

592 I don't like any of the candidates, but I despise Hillary Clinton. The only reason I have left to vote at all is to crush her dreams.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (AroJD)

593 He is a populist nationalist and I think he is going to win

90 percent of voters don't give one wet fart about political ideology

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (zOTsN)

594 Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullsit.

Trump's for touch-back amnesty and he admitted in one of the debates he's for more h1b visas. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:11 PM (/E+t2)

Touchback amnesty is your summary, not what he said.

Same thing with the "admitted in one of the debates" - he said he was for highly skilled immigration, and then released a press statement right after clarifying that H1B is not highly skilled immigration.

Now, you may choose to interpret those facts the way you do, but please don't bullshit me that your interpretation is the same thing as objective fact.

That sort of bait and switch is dishonest, and if you continue doing it, I'll bin you in the not-credible mental category.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (1D4Ef)

595 >>>Is that what the're calling it these days?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (q1FtT)

***

Heh. Walked into that.

Anyway, all that's on Stewart Avenue (sorry, "Metropolitan Parkway"), down by the airport.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (bpn7O)

596 It would appear Trump has successfully torpedoed the Repubs, just like Ross Perot did. It's not too late to send those checks to the Clinton Foundation, strictly for CYA reasons, of course.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (wBEUW)

597 Melania is hot.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 24, 2016 12:18 PM (SWIMe)

Definitely in the Thermonuclear category of hotness, yes.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (hLRSq)

598 I'm amazed that a guy who looks like the south end of a north bound baboon has anything to say about someone else's looks. But some guys, no matter how repulsive, think they're entitled to comment on all women's looks.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (y0rni)

599 @27: "I don't get Trump. He doesn't need to do this shit. He ought to be
smiling and waving like Edward VII through the French crowds that hated
his guts. Yet he can't stop."

Pugnacious people gotta be pugnacious. If you come at them, it's on. That's just who they are, for better or worse.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (rznWS)

600 I can understand why people are not behind Trump.
But, it is beyond my understanding why anyone of the right, whatever
Trumps's flaws and deficiencies, would think that those problems would
be less under a President Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I look forward, as we get closer to the election, to your further posts making this argument more clear.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2016 12:21 PM (R+30W)

You COULD make the case that a President Hillory would be less bad than a President Trump. I'm not making it myself (not yet), but the way that works is, you have that evil harpy in the White House, being her charming self, and she increasingly creates enough hostility in the people, and in the idiots in Congress that people stop listening to her, and start actively working against her.

That's a theory. Not one a relish testing, but there it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (TOk1P)

601 Ace, you do realize that in this world, you get what you negotiate?

What has Cruz negotiated?

At his age, I assume he's bought a house and car, but that's about it. Did he get fucked on both? You don't know.

If you get your wish and Cruz is President, who will be negotiating the new trade agreements?

Let me give you hint...

The advance man and Utah campaign co-chair. He'll be the Assistant Under Secretary of Commerce as his reward. 27 year old who used to work at his dad's insurance company.

That's how it works.

You want to perpetuate it because Trump embarrasses you.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (Zs4uk)

602 If Trump wins, then you'll see a magical event where Congress becomes bipartisan and discovers their inner 3rd branch of gov't child in order to rein in Trump and please their masters.

---------

And that is the best reason to vote for Trump.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (gmeXX)

603

Hmmm,,,, I'd hit it...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (HSmrB)

604 I am not the least bit concerned about Ace's angst. In short: Ace is NOT Charles Johnson and never will be. Ace is me, about two weeks ago. He's offended. He's shocked. He's hurting.

For some, it takes longer, some less. But I'm giving him a month. Then I'll slide over on the Trump bandwagon and even help Ace crawl aboard.

New Trump cry: "Crawl aboard!" I like it.

Posted by: One of Luntz's dunces at March 24, 2016 12:30 PM (eXTZt)

605 "he has to learn to stay focused on issues and stay above the fray"

He's been in the heat of battle against 16 candidates plus the uniparty and media complex.

Your delicate sensibilities will just have to take a backseat.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:30 PM (bRWtO)

606 Anyone who thinks there's some secret pact between Liz Phair and Ted Cruz to run ads is demented.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:30 PM (39g3+)

607 Heidi Cruz supports the North American Union.

In other words the EU just with Mexico, Canada, and guess Central America at some point.

So a hot naked Trump wife vs. open borders Cruz wife...it should be a easy choice for a border hawk.

Right?

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 12:30 PM (q52Ma)

608 Trump just shows himself to be exactly who I thought he was: a man of relatively low character.

Then he will fit right in in DC. He won't even need to steal to get in the club.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or great value tibet at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (iXRe2)

609 BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN!!

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (lZaEn)

610 If the choice is Trump vs. Clinton, I plan to write in Ronald Reagan. I figure Reagan's dead corpse would still be a better president than either of the two.
Posted by: Eric at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (JlJW4)

Not so fast there, bud. I heard about a guy named Ragan who might make a decent president. He might be worth a look.

Posted by: DRayRaven at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (9YRwm)

611 He less Edward the VII and more Henry the VIII

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (zOTsN)

612 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:26 PM (0LHZx)

Fair enough. Have you bothered to look at anyone else's policy positions? Like I said, every Rubio had the same position that you describe.

I agree with you on your stated position on immigration. What you are missing is that Trump, by word and action, does not.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (XItbt)

613 Glenn Beck apparently bit or scratched Ace; we're just gonna have to wait for the full moon to wane a bit.
Posted by: 3.14159 at March 24, 2016 12:17 PM (MaINI)

Nah, pretty much every blogger I've ever respected is on the Stop Trump wagon.

A lot of the talk radio guys like Trump because they make money off of him. It's been very eye-opening.

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (ozZau)

614 "Trump nevertheless returns to his comfort zone of attacking women's looks and bragging about the hot pussy his dad's money buys him".

-Why I love this site.-

Posted by: firefirefire at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (of67s)

615 I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

I'll admit to not having read the previous 560 comments, so I ask with apologies if it has already been answered:

Ace, you have been revealing and highlighting brutal and devastating truths about Hillary Clinton since the moment she declared her candidacy (and even earlier), and have essentially said (and proven) repeatedly that she is a toxic narcissist of the highest order, a criminal, totally amoral, vengeful, petty, vicious, backstabbing and cosmically repulsive in every imaginable way. How, after all that, could you consider voting for her? I can understand not voting for Trump -- that's everyone's prerogative, and many people will join your Trump boycott -- but actively voting for Hillary is another step altogether. Is voting for Hillary just your way of accelerating the apocalypse because you are just sick to death of politics and humanity's idiocy, or do you now actually support Hillary with sincere enthusiasm?

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (jBuUi)

616 >>>What has Cruz negotiated?

I don't know he's a goddamn lawyer. You don't think an attorney knows how to make a deal? FFS.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (/E+t2)

617 " It would appear Trump has successfully torpedoed the Repubs, just like Ross Perot did."

No if you notice. The Repubs are torpedoing the Repubs.

Look at Ted Cruz. Needs 87% of the remaining delegates that in reality will never happen and everyone here as well as Ted Cruz himself knows it.
He should have just suspended and lined up behind Trump to burn the witch instead of pressing his idiotic attacks on Mrs. Trump.

Posted by: Drider at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (bdzyz)

618 i want to vote against hillary in nov......if cruz
isn't the nomination and i'm realizing he may not be.....i want to be
able to vote for trump....he has to learn to stay focused on issues and
stay above the fray

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (0O7c5)

I voted for Bernie in the Primary, just to say I voted AGAINST Hillory. Because, regardless of what the Stupid Party does between now and November, I think there's a pretty good chance I won't be voting for their nominee.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:33 PM (TOk1P)

619 579
trump can take criticism and he can take a joke, he's been spoofed on

snl so many times over the last 2 decades you lose count; did not stop

him from hosting it twice. but business is business, and if during an acrimonious campaign someone is going to go after

him, he is going to hit back. good on him. reading the comments it

seems that the only thing wrong with him is not attracting a pac to do

the dirty work for him so he can looks nice and "presidential".

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (c6/9Q)

really? his wife actually posed for the picture, as her job, a model....and a pac that is against trump brings it up in a negative way....and it's ok for trump to react like he's a child and hit out at the wife of cruz? ok...got it....cruz had nothing to do with it....if someone hits out at his grown children, will he be justified to attack cruz's underaged ones?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 24, 2016 12:33 PM (0O7c5)

620 there you go -- we'll make up whatever lies are necessary to defend The Leader.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

>>>>> The fact is my strong belief there's coordination between the PAC and the campaign - (of ALL PACS and their campaigns) is as valid and fact-based as your belief the PAC was unrelated. Which seems naive to me, but you can call my view cynical, so I guess that's a wash.

Disagreement with you does not always equal lies.
Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 12:10 PM (GSJcT)

This is completely wrong. The PAC is not affiliate with Cruz. Cruz has PAC's (4 that I know), but not this one. This was a pro-Rubio PAC that has morphed into anti-Trump. It is not a "belief" that is not a pro-Cruz PAC, it is a fact and not equivalent to your belief that Cruz coordinated with it. If you don't have evidence, you're just making stuff up.

Posted by: duke at March 24, 2016 12:33 PM (EQNFN)

621 Nah, pretty much every blogger I've ever respected is on the Stop Trump wagon.

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 12:31 PM (ozZau)

And they've come to find out how little their arguments affect anything. They are more pissed off at that than anything else.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:33 PM (zc3Db)

622 >>>They are threatening to vote for Hillary because they don't like Trump as a person.

Let's get this straight. I probably won't vote for Trump but I sure won't vote for Hillary. I'm not going to be a party to either. FTR I could care less whether I like or dislike Trump. My greater concern is how I think he will govern. Based on observation of his campaign it is a Trump Sales Pitch. Based on careful examination of the deal, I am likely to get too little I like and too much I don't like. The final question of course being, am I willing to make a Presidency of Hillary more likely by voting third party should Trump be nominated. The answer is I perceive to many things in the "I don't like" category to be a party to his election even if that makes a candidate I like even less more likely to be elected.

But that's OK because Trump says he will win all the demographics anyway so he clearly doesn't need my vote. So it's all cool.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 24, 2016 12:34 PM (0q2P7)

623 "The guy is a well-documented work-a-holic. He's a graduate of Wharton and he's one of the sanest people out there.

Stupid, lazy and uneducated...jealous much?

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:22 PM (bRWtO)"

Yeah, and Obama went to Harvard. Reagan went to Eureka. I thought we were the party that didn't care about Ivy League pedigrees?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:34 PM (4/i9Y)

624 I never thought I'd say this but Trump and his supporters have convinced me to consider supporting Romney if no other choice remains by the convention.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:34 PM (XItbt)

625 206 Not to brag but my wife at 49 still smokes trumps trophy wife and she never went under the knife

you must have a helluva oppo file on her to get her to stay around ;-), being a cubs fan and all.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or great value tibet at March 24, 2016 12:34 PM (iXRe2)

626 Easy, straw man warrior. I think you're arguing with someone else. I never said the word respectability. These people are all running for president - by definition none of them are respectable.

On borders: You really think he's gonna build that wall for you, huh? And Mexico's going to pay for it? Have you ever heard the phrase "When you're getting something for free, the thing that's being sold is you." ?
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (oUDMc)

You didn't say the word respectability. You only spoke on behalf of all sentient beings, "WTF?" to Trump supporters. I connected the dots you put in there. You don't like it, you can resign your self-appointed role as Spokesperson for All Sentient Beings.

Now, is it a strawman to say that you want to vote for Traitor Felon Hillary Clinton?

Because if you vote for her ... On behalf of all patriotic Americans, WTF?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 12:35 PM (1D4Ef)

627 I'm going to search WSJ for original article on Liz Mair & this Anti Trump Super PAC. That was its original intention.

I don't think I can link 6-7 month old article here, but I'll try.

Posted by: Carol at March 24, 2016 12:35 PM (sj3Ax)

628 Is voting for Hillary just your way of accelerating
the apocalypse because you are just sick to death of politics and
humanity's idiocy, or do you now actually support Hillary with sincere
enthusiasm?

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (jBuUi)

I'm not wanting an answer to that question. I assume there's a difference between saying in March "I'll just vote for Hillory instead" and actually doing it in November.

I won't have any respect for anyone who actually votes for her, but I'm not going to fault people who are saying it now. It's a statement of where they are, and how they feel today. I don't agree with it, but I'm going to leave it alone.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:35 PM (TOk1P)

629 voting for Hillary just your way of accelerating the apocalypse

I'll be puttin' the pedal to the metal. Trust me. *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at March 24, 2016 12:35 PM (Dwehj)

630
Obama promised to FUBAR the country and he's succeeded.

The best alternative left at this point is to elect Trump and stock up on popcorn.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 24, 2016 12:35 PM (RcpcZ)

631 "No algebra savant here, but it seems to me that where:
x = approval ratings
y = the will of the public
z = presidential action

If z leads to an increase in x, then y is expressed.

Posted by: General Zod at March 24, 2016 12:27 PM (Bdeb0) "

Obama's at 50% approval ratings. For Trump to match or exceed that, he needs to please all those people that think Obama is doing just a swell job. Can you think of a single conservative initiative that those people would support?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (4/i9Y)

632 If Trump wins, then you'll see a magical event where Congress becomes bipartisan and discovers their inner 3rd branch of gov't child in order to rein in Trump and please their masters.

Yeah that would be another good thing that a President Trump would bring about.

Ace and I and many others will simply not vote for Trump. Period. You and Moo can spin that any way you want.

I think in the end, that will be where Ace will end up, not voting for Hillary at all, despite his direct clear statement above that he will.

See, I'm not spinning a no-vote as a vote for Hillary. In effect it is, but right now there's no good choice and nobody elected can fix this, so I don't care. I'm simply pointing out that Ace won't vote for Hillary in the end.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (39g3+)

633 90 percent of voters don't give one wet fart about political ideology

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:28 PM (zOTsN)

That is completely true. Most people just want the Federal government to quietly and competently go about its business. And if Federal civil servants were smart they would do that and the people would ignore them.

But they are not smart, they have been infiltrated by SJW's and the Legion of Crybullies and they are now poking at and irritating the American people. And at some time the American people will decide something needs to be done. When that will be I don't know, but it will come.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (hLRSq)

634 So when Obama was elected and we were disappointed and came here for solace I thought we had a common interest. I thought we were afraid of losing even more freedom. That was the war cry against Obamacare and most of the other nonsense pushed by that dickhead. Yet today a sizable portion of republican voters is engaged in a childish temper tantrum against "the establishment" and has fallen for an petty , authoritarian asshole.

Can trump supporters explain how a trump presidency will in any way restore any sort of freedom ? Dude admires the Chinese style of conflict resolution. Fuck trump. The people responsible for our soon to be Madame president are the simpletons who nominated an unelectable candidate. There will never be a president trump. Grow the fuck up

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (p9K8A)

635 "Since it has happened, and since it didn't occur in an alternate dimension, by definition it is NOT beyond belief.

We can despair that our party has failed so badly, or that our
electorate is so willing to embrace this, but NONE of it is beyond
belief.

our ruling classes are failing right and left, both here and in Europe. This should be seen as inevitable."

Good post. Honestly, when Obama won re-election in 2012, I was shocked. At that point, everyone knew who he was and yet they voted him back into office. With eyes wide open. You can view 2016 through that prism. It is not a correction, but a continuation. You can't be a great country if you don't have good people.

Posted by: Myself at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (5wiU6)

636 Go Trump. Ace's excuse that the anti-Trump PAC has NOTHING to do with Cruz is pure bs. Is Rubio still runnning? if not, then who is the default anti-Trump candidate... gee, it just might be Cruz.... so as far as I am concerned, whether Ted phoned up and said run that sleazy ad or not, its a pro Ted PAC by default.
Did we hear Ted coming out and saying anything about the ad being tasteless? of course not because it helped him with the Mormons.
Ted is a sleazy operator disguised as a pure, highly religious, above the sleaze guy... well, we have seen just how much he slithers in the sewer when it suits him.
So, go after him Trump... until Ted disavows and decries the sleazy attack on Melania, he is just as guilty as if he did it himself.

Posted by: PhilipJames at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (8pLxm)

637 "I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Unbookmarked.

Posted by: Burton Cummings at March 24, 2016 12:36 PM (YlqSL)

638 "Ace and I and many others will simply not vote for Trump. Period. You
and Moo can spin that any way you want. If you think that is a vote for
Hillary - so be it. But Trump (if he wins the nomination) is going to
have to win this thing without a lot of reliable GOP voters.
"
---
this, from the same types who told me to hold my nose and vote for Mittens, because he was electable, and the alternative was 4 more years of Obola...

take your own damn medicine for a change, instead of always trying to give it to us instead.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2016 12:37 PM (sm9eL)

639 I believe (please note 'believe', this is opinion):

a) Hillary will be holed below the waterline before Election Day. The lists of felonies already in evidence is long enough to sink Jesus Christ. It's more than what chased Nixon out of office.

b) Donald Trump vs Ted Cruz vs A Player To Be Named Later - this bothers me. I really want Cruz, warts and all. I would support Trump wholeheartedly should Hillary evade (a), just to ensure the Felonious Bitch didn't get the Cigar Office.

c) It's more important for the soul of the Democrats that Bernie knock off the Felon than Ted knock off the Donald. Trump's a blowhard with no real credentials. Hillary's a criminal, she took office under Obama with the clear intent of violating any number of Federal laws and she needs to account for this, and the optimal situation is a President who will, in my best ghetto, jail the bitch.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 12:37 PM (o+SC1)

640 well i probably won't vote. but i'm not going to support Trump, not going to defend him. I will lift exactly zero fingers on his behalf.
Hillary's going to win anyway. I don't need to compromise myself by defending a scumbag.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2016 11:47 AM (dciA+)

I've backed off from supporting the guy. There's no coherent way to do it. I actively attack the zealots that come in here smearing Cruz and anyone who supports him on []'s behalf.

But this is the crux of his entire candidacy. He didn't need your support to win votes, and your opposition won't hurt him either. He's completely off the reservation, for better or for worse.

Conservatism is supposed to lead to positive real world outcomes like strong borders, a strong economy, and free expression. But all our convictions have failed in all of those regards. Trump promises those outcomes without an ideological underpinning. He fails your test. But the voters are giving him a solid B+.

Leftism isn't designed to win a battle of outcomes and it can't, it simply can't on the merits. It's designed to win the battle of ideas, and it does this by rigging the debate.

Our only chance in November is to go off-script.

Oh and this post will have legitimacy as soon as you denounce Willard's comments about "the jobs Americans won't do" re:[]'s foreign wives.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:37 PM (xuouz)

641 This has degraded (well, 4 months ago) into a bar argument about sports teams, except people are throwing things and making up stories about players and at least one of the teams doesn't even actually exist.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 12:37 PM (bLnSU)

642 *are *a stupid phone

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (p9K8A)

643 I can't believe of all the things to argue about, it's throwing shade at wives that is determinative . From either side. This is nuts. Totally nuts

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (zOTsN)

644 You COULD make the case that a President Hillory would be less bad than a President Trump. I'm not making it myself (not yet), but the way that works is, you have that evil harpy in the White House, being her charming self, and she increasingly creates enough hostility in the people, and in the idiots in Congress that people stop listening to her, and start actively working against her.

That's a theory. Not one a relish testing, but there it is.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2016 12:29 PM (TOk1P)

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The GOP will roll over for her like they rolled over for Obama. She could have 35% approval and they'll still give her everything she wants.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (0LHZx)

645
Obama's at 50% approval ratings.

Because gas is $2/gallon. If it were $3.75 his numbers would be in the low 40s.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (RcpcZ)

646 do you now actually support Hillary with sincere enthusiasm?
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (jBuUi)

How hard is it to understand Ace has had it up to his neck with the goddamn Trump Agitators?

Do the Trump supporters not have a moment of clarity and realize what he is really saying?

It's all reflexive and emotional around here. Ace, myself, and many here are so disgusted, disappointed and baffled at the many levels of Trumpdom that at some point you say screw it!

It NEVER stops. The circular reasoning, the lies, the vitriol and the insults. People are getting fed up being attacked for daring to use reason and experience.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (/E+t2)

647 Dude.

C'mon.

Long time Cruz guy, but I've been forced by the GOP and "sane" voices to hold my nose and vote for Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney. Trump may be a dumpster fire, but whatever, at least he's a different dumpster fire and if he gets the nomination it's time for the GOP to suck it up and vote for a guy they don't like as I've been doing dutifully for my entire life at its behest. Assholes! (Not Ace or differing commenters - GOPe - and Kasich)

Posted by: casual at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (qbEyo)

648 there is coordination. can anyone imagine a pac supposedly representing a candidate going rogue ? how long will that pac last ? a day ? half a day ?

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2016 12:39 PM (c6/9Q)

649 #608 William Eaton

Heidi Cruz doesn't support the North American Union. She was one of a group of people and her sole contribution was a one paragraph response saying that free trade and free markets are the answer to prosperity.

Now tell us about Trump naming the CEO of the CFR as one of his advisors.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 24, 2016 12:39 PM (y0rni)

650 @307: trump is going to lose so badly

This isn't a given, ace. I know what the polls say, but you need to expand your horizons a bit and read/listen some more.

Get the following people on your podcast, and interview them without preconceived notions. I'm 100% sure that both would do it if asked, and you wouldn't be disappointed in either:

1) Scott Adams

2) Vox Day

Posted by: Jabari at March 24, 2016 12:39 PM (djgeC)

651 this, from the same types who told me to hold my nose and vote for Mittens, because he was electable, and the alternative was 4 more years of Obola...

take your own damn medicine for a change, instead of always trying to give it to us instead.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2016 12:37 PM (sm9eL)

______

Mittens, McCain, Dole, McConnell, Boner, the list is endless. Party unity is important you see...until it isn't.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 24, 2016 12:39 PM (0LHZx)

652
Cruz's response was a blunder.If he eventually becomes the Republican nominee Democrats will use this as an example of how Cruz and Republicans shame women posing nude as immoral.Having nothing to do with the PAC that created it will fall on deaf ears,the fact is his name was on the ad and he didn't speak out to against that type of attack on a highly successful woman

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 12:40 PM (lKyWE)

653 "And they've come to find out how little their arguments affect anything. They are more pissed off at that than anything else.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:33 PM (zc3Db) "

If I had been writing a Jewish blog for 12+ years and many of my readers started campaigning for Louis Farrakhan to be the next President of B'nai B'rith or the ADL, I'd be lashing out too. It's fucking crazyville in the GOP.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:40 PM (4/i9Y)

654 Their only way to make this fair is for michelle hillary and Laura and Barbara to do the same pose.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 24, 2016 12:40 PM (G7wcY)

655 I could never bring myself to vote for Trump, and if I vote at all it will be a write-in for Abe Lincoln.

But only 2 kinds of people vote for Hillary. The stupid, and the evil.

Posted by: Ace Vigoda at March 24, 2016 12:40 PM (KYl0B)

656 Just thought of this...

Heidi Cruz's slogan should be:

"Make the North American Union great again!"

Sounds ugly to any real patriotic American...open borders with Mexico for the glory of North Americna unity! See why Bush has endorsed Cruz now and why Ted was down with the TPP at first until the so-called "LIVs" yelled at him. Cruz then blamed McConnell for tricking him on the TPP! Sneaky turtle!

And everyone worries about Trump's leftwing sister influencing him.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (q52Ma)

657 >>there is coordination. can anyone imagine a pac supposedly representing a candidate going rogue ?

Despite the law expressly forbidding exactly that.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (MvFEq)

658 Remind me again, which group of political partisans are the "angry" ones?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (xuouz)

659 I believe POP, at 621, called this.

Add to it, I think, a bit of fear as soon as Trump started talking libel.

I detected a big spike on the O-Shit-O-Meter from the host on that day ... followed by another when he learned many agree ... and a third when he discovered the majority does not give a shit about Michelle Fields.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (zfvHs)

660 Since we do face a real existential threat - radical Islam - I will vote for the candidate most likely to wipe them out and I do mean WIPE THEM OUT in the most harsh and cruel manner as a lesson - as Ace would say "pour encourager les autres" Living in NYC, I would think you would want the same thing no?

Or is it better to just wait for the inevitable, a suitcase nuke detonated in Times Square. I have a teen daughter and I DAMN WELL care about shit like this, and do not take it lightly.

I don't give a fuck how rude Trump is, or if he's an asshole or psychotic - I think psychotic is what we need now.

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (m40v5)

661 "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

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Well knock me over with a feather.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (LXJ1e)

662 Can trump supporters explain how a trump presidency will in any way restore any sort of freedom ?

Not a Trump supporter, but I can explain some:

Donald Trump would be so opposed by congress in both parties that the power of the executive branch would be rolled back. He'd be fighting congress so constantly that they would get virtually nothing done. The less the federal government does, the freer we are. Donald Trump actually does seem to love America and is a big business fan, so he'd stop screwing the country over and stop stabbing business in the gut over and over again, which again is a net positive.

Its not that hard to work out how just about anybody on earth would be less damaging to freedom than President Obama or Hillary Clinton.

It NEVER stops. The circular reasoning, the lies, the vitriol and the insults. People are getting fed up being attacked for daring to use reason and experience.

If you're fair and objective, you'll admit its been pretty awful on both sides of the issue.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (39g3+)

663 "Look at Ted Cruz. Needs 87% of the remaining delegates that in reality
will never happen and everyone here as well as Ted Cruz himself knows
it.

He should have just suspended and lined up behind Trump to burn the witch instead of pressing his idiotic attacks on Mrs. Trump."

If you want the party to unify around Trump then STOP LYING about what happened. Cruz did not attack Mrs. Trump. That did not happen. If you actually want Trump to win the general election you cannot take positions like this that are not representative of reality. You cannot forge alliances in this manner. I'm not buying into these lies, just so I can support Trump. It's not worth it.

Posted by: Myself at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (5wiU6)

664 "He said, mere moments before his cart crushed his horse."

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Which loser candidate are you supporting? Because they've all been run over by a cart already.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (bRWtO)

665 "Anyone who thinks there's some secret pact between Liz Phair and Ted Cruz to run ads is demented.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:30 PM (39g3+) "

Exactly. There's a difference between a candidate maintaining a closely co-ordinated PAC so that they can run smear ads without getting their hands dirty, and expecting a candidate to be responsible for every single PAC that runs an ad supporting them or attacking their opponent.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (4/i9Y)

666 Get the following people on your podcast, and interview them without preconceived notions. I'm 100% sure that both would do it if asked, and you wouldn't be disappointed in either:
1) Scott Adams
2) Vox Day
Posted by: Jabari at March 24, 2016 12:39 PM (djgeC)

Ooh!
*throws orville redenbacher across room and into microwave at 60 miles an hour*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (xuouz)

667 I have voted for Cruz in two primaries and one election so far

But if you thing the #NeverTrumps aren't just as emotional, just as vitriolic as the Trumpers, you haven't been paying attention

No one is coming from a place of dispassion

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (zOTsN)

668 Trumpkins are worse then Truthers.

Posted by: TJ at March 24, 2016 12:44 PM (6cDf/)

669 "so many people completely ignore every single thing about Trump's record and keep repeating "He's the best on immigration!" damian

well it is not "idiocracy" just because some view things differently than you. Trump ran a business using legal cheap labor, here or abroad. (yeah, some sub contrqactors used some polish illegals decades ago). He (and Cruz) were for h-1bs but changed over the Disney issue, and said Americans first.

Cruz has been for border control, either fence or wall, but Trump came out stronger on the damage from all the illegals, and insisting on deporting, or at least touch back (some equivocating, but still strongest). And Trump has the strongest border control people backing him (Sessions, Sheriff Arpaio, Coulter, others).

And he was strongest and first on stopping Muslim migration/invasion. So no, disagreeing with you does not make me an idiot.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 24, 2016 12:44 PM (N8i7l)

670
I could never bring myself to vote for Trump, and if I vote at all it will be a write-in for Abe Lincoln.

Funny because in the 1860 presidential election they tried to portray Lincoln as a stupid country bumpkin who would ruin the country if elected

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 12:44 PM (lKyWE)

671 I think psychotic is what we need now.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (m40v5)

We whole heartedly disagree.

Posted by: The Founding Fathers at March 24, 2016 12:44 PM (/E+t2)

672 Conservatives should have started their own party the day after Obama won the first time. After seven years maybe it would have been viable nationally. Too late now

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 24, 2016 12:44 PM (RGKqg)

673 Despite the law expressly forbidding exactly that.

fine, "candidate's interests" then

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2016 12:45 PM (c6/9Q)

674 "Mittens" as people refer to him was Ronald Fucking Reagan compared to the short-fingered-troll.
His chief sin, in my opinion, was being an ineffectual campaigner: polite to a fault (e.g. to Candy), and losing.
Yes he was squishy on healthcare which is a biggie, but there is a legitimate difference between doing something on a State or Federal level: something we used to quaintly call "Federalism"
And did anyone doubt that "Mittens" loved America and suppported a basically free enterprise approach, and was (and is) a pretty decent guy on a personal level as wel?
Something we used to call "integrity" back in the olden days.
No I wouldn't vote for Shrillary, ever.
But "Mittens" over anyone currently running (except Cruz)? Not even close.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 24, 2016 12:45 PM (k8tEg)

675
Trumpkins are worse then Truthers.

care to explain how/

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 12:45 PM (lKyWE)

676 If I had been writing a Jewish blog for 12+ years and many of my readers started campaigning for Louis Farrakhan to be the next President of B'nai B'rith or the ADL, I'd be lashing out too. It's fucking crazyville in the GOP.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:40 PM (4/i9Y)

That analogy is, of course, totally ridiculous. And given that you consider that to be an effective debating point it shows you exactly why you can't change anyone's opinions with your arguments.

Yes, the Vichy GOP is crazyville and has been for years. That is one of the reasons why Trump even had an entre to the nomination. Trump understood that handing out teddy bears to illegals invading us isn't the correct tactic to convince people that this place is still valued as an actual nation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:46 PM (zc3Db)

677 I don't know he's a goddamn lawyer. You don't think an attorney knows how to make a deal? FFS.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (/E+t2)

Have you ever hired or dealt with a lawyer?

Over my entire career, with countless deals and hundreds of thousands, if not millions spent on lawyers, if have never, not once, found one that can facilitate making a deal.

All of them, without exception, could fuck a deal up in their sleep. They could blow a half dozens deals before breakfast, but not one of them had a clue what putting a deal together was all about.

That's why they were lawyers.

It's in their blood.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2016 12:47 PM (Zs4uk)

678 This is the beginning of Act III.

Our hero is at his lowest point.

Posted by: Mega at March 24, 2016 12:47 PM (hHFOx)

679 http://blog.dilbert.com/post/141605245101/whos-afraid-of-donald-trump Enlightening.

Ace is butthurt because Trump is out maneuvering Cruz.

Between Hillary and Trump, I vote Trump. That woman is evil and would make a horrible President unless you had enough money to buy her off.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at March 24, 2016 12:47 PM (oPFsu)

680 No one is coming from a place of dispassion

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 12:43 PM (zOTsN)

Thunder Johnson is right!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 24, 2016 12:47 PM (hLRSq)

681 Yeah, I'm sure Trump is out there apologizing for every single social media ad that his supporters post. These ads are not serious, they're TMZ-style stuff.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (2cS/G)

682
Their only way to make this fair is for michelle hillary and Laura and Barbara to do the same pose.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 24, 2016 12:40 PM (G7wcY)
_________________________________

Sounds good, count me in...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (HSmrB)

683 "Because gas is $2/gallon. If it were $3.75 his numbers would be in the low 40s.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 24, 2016 12:38 PM (RcpcZ) "

So again, that's 43-44 percent of the population that Trump is going to want to please. You think Trump would be happy with 56% approval ratings? He has the best approval ratings. The classiest.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (4/i9Y)

684
Funny because in the 1860 presidential election they tried to portray Lincoln as a stupid country bumpkin who would ruin the country if elected

So the Democrat playbook is pretty old, then.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (39g3+)

685 >>>If you want the party to unify around Trump

What makes you think, besides the faithful 38% of the base, most people want the party to unify around Donald Trump?

He is repulsive to most people in the party.

And you wonder why Ace would utter such a thing about voting for Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: The Founding Fathers at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (/E+t2)

686 Sock off!

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:49 PM (/E+t2)

687 Yet, Trump >> Hillary because while Trump is raging narcissist, he has no real agenda and will be too into himself to actively oppress you. Hillary, in the other hand, is ideologically motivated and will do her best to make your life hell.
And presumably Congress would do its job to fight the evil Trump. (Admittedly, that would probably be to push through Amnesty but it looks like everyone here is cool with that now.)

Posted by: andycanuck at March 24, 2016 12:49 PM (ioqGj)

688 296 As I've said several times since this whole Trumpnado season began, I find it incomprehensible - even incrementally discouraging, though that bottom was probably reached a while ago - that Trump's boorishness or general public persona would actually upset non-cretinous citizens or observers of public affairs.

I mean given the literally unbelievable degradation and damage of the last few years. Obviously, mileage varies, but wow.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2016 11:55 AM (QDnY+)

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The fainting couches have really come out.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 24, 2016 12:49 PM (LXJ1e)

689 Let's go by the actual numbers from actual votes so far.

When Trump wins, he averages about 38% support vs. 62% NotTrump. When he loses, he loses by 20% or more.

Cruz, when he loses, usually comes in second and is behind by 10% or less. When he wins, he wins by big margins. Utah went 60% Cruz on Tues. with Trump in THIRD behind Kasich.

Yeah, the electoral math does not favor Cruz for the nomination. Fine. Trump will probably win by hook or crook.

What the fuck does Trump do in the GE? The vast majority of voting Republicans- more than 60%- do not support him. Most of those will vote for Satan or stay home before voting for Trump.

On the Dem/ Socialist side, Hillary and Bernie are trading off 50% plus wins. If you throw out the superdelgates and Hillary's coin toss and card trick wins, they are dead even or Berine is ahead by a little. Whoever wins, the support of the other will fall right in line because they are both running the same out and proud Socialist campaign.

Hillary/ Bernie goes into the fall with 100% of their base. Trump goes in with 38% or less. There has been absolutely zero indication of Trump having any level of support with " undecided" or "unaffiliated" voters. Zero, despite the wishcasting of his minions. In fact, all evidence so far suggests people will stay home rather than turn out for Trump outside of his current supporters.

Every poll supports this.

Shout about "Trump is going to slaughter Hillary" all you want. Even Trump's personal record does not support this belief.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 12:49 PM (XItbt)

690 14
so Trumps wife takes fire (so to speak) and we expect the guy to sit and
take it? And don't tell me the PAC had nothing to do with Cruz, we all
there's back channel coordination between these things and the campaign.

Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 11:27 AM (GSJcT)
........

Attacking a woman on her looks as a political statement.

Fair, unfair, or only fair when Trump does it? Which is your answer? Megan Kelly, Fiorina, and others would like to know the rules here. Since you know them; please share.
And realize I'm gong to mock you for the liberal party line "It's only good when I do it" moral high ground should you try to claim that...
Which seems likely.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 24, 2016 12:50 PM (1tc4V)

691 "Donald Trump would be so opposed by congress in both parties that the power of the executive branch would be rolled back. He'd be fighting congress so constantly that they would get virtually nothing done."

Give it rest. Trump is a negotiator. That's a major portion of his life's work. It's what he enjoys doing. Negotiating.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:50 PM (bRWtO)

692 *hefts the trident while scanning for a target*

Posted by: Brick Tamlin at March 24, 2016 12:51 PM (JO9+V)

693 Whoever the GOP nominee is, whether Trump or Cruz or Bradley The Gang-Bang Rabbit, the issue needs to be...

HILLARY IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL

Because she is. What she's done would have anyone not a Clinton scooping gruel out of a Federal pie tin for at least a decade.

And, while there's 40% of the American electorate who will vote for a felon no matter what, the margin needed to win CAN be convinced, even by a Trump.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 12:52 PM (o+SC1)

694 He is repulsive to most people in the party.
And you wonder why Ace would utter such a thing about voting for Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: The Founding Fathers at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (/E+t2)

We're all hypocrites because the foundation of our society has been unmade and we are slaves to the dopamine machines we sit in front of all day. We're all hypocrites and our leadership reflects that.

Truecons are hypocrites for standing on their principles to oppose Trump and basing their decision to vote for HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON on said principles.

It's lunacy.

I'll take the hypocrite that will fight islam.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:53 PM (xuouz)

695 I don't assume most people want the party to unify around Donald Trump. I sure don't want the party to unify around him. I'm not going to vote for him. I'm just sick of the BS. It's one thing to support Trump, it's another thing to parrot everything he says as if its gospel.

Posted by: Myself at March 24, 2016 12:53 PM (5wiU6)

696 Remind me again, which group of political partisans are the "angry" ones?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (xuouz)

This is literally gaslighting.

People have been lashing out in the name of Trump for freaking months - and justifying it by saying only the brash, aggressive, hostile style can win - and when they get an angry response, they accuse the responder of being unreasonably angry.

It is grotesque, abusive behavior, and it is why people are writing Trump *and* a lot of his supporters off.

Trump is pulling down his ceiling as fast as he's lifting his floor. If he was trying to win the primary and lose the general he couldn't be doing a better job.

The general election will be a bizarre comedy, but not a funny one.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (bLnSU)

697 Its wonderful that Ace is able to keep his perspective and focus on what's important.

I mean back in the day.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (PvCxa)

698 649

Council of Foreign Relations states that Heidi Cruz is a member the "North American Union Task Force". Here is her bio:

"Heidi S. Cruz is an energy investment banker with Merrill Lynch in Houston, Texas. She served in the Bush White House under Dr. Condoleezza Rice as Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council, as the Director of Latin American Office of the U.S. Treasury Department, and as Special Assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, U.S. Trade Representative. Prior to government service, Ms. Cruz was an investment banker with J.P. Morgan in New York City."

Sounds like she is a supporter of the North American Union, or at least was. Will she clarify?

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (q52Ma)

699 Quoting: He flaunts these major accomplishments to cover up the fact that he's stupid, lazy, uneducated, at least half-crazy, and ugly.

So what is your excuse ace?

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (OvUux)

700
Yeah, I'm sure Trump is out there apologizing for every single social media

He didn't need to apologize for it,he just needed to let PACS supporting him know he doesn't appreciate his campaign being tied to such lowbrow ads.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (lKyWE)

701 How hard is it to understand Ace has had it up to his neck with the goddamn Trump Agitators?

Do the Trump supporters not have a moment of clarity and realize what he is really saying?

It's all reflexive and emotional around here. Ace, myself, and many here are so disgusted, disappointed and baffled at the many levels of Trumpdom that at some point you say screw it!

It NEVER stops. The circular reasoning, the lies, the vitriol and the insults. People are getting fed up being attacked for daring to use reason and experience.
Posted by: Arson Wells

I guess I don't read the daytime comments enough to see 99% of that (unreasonable pro-Trump advocacy). One must immerse oneself in the conversation fully, I suppose, to appreciate the depth of the dispute and the anger it evokes. I've had only time for cursory drive-by scanning and quickie commenting recently, I I haven't perceived the online knife-fight clearly enough to understand it.

I understand wanting Cruz to win the nomination --heck I want him to win the nomination and will be voting for him -- but come November, if faced with two unappealing candidates I didn't want and didn't choose, there is no way I could bring myself to ever vote for Hillary or Sanders, under any circumstances.

My personal take is this: We aren't voting for someone's supporters, we're voting for that person. I suspect that Trump will be, in all actuality, and contradicting what most people predict, a rather ineffectual and kick-the-can navel-gazing random loser president, along the lines of Carter or Hoover. He will have no particular ideology, will not get his pet ideas passed, and will huff and puff and basically do nothing useful for four years. And I count that as a PLUS in his favor, because the alternative -- a corrosive socialist -- is infinitely worse than a do-nothing.

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (jBuUi)

702 @687 I think that you have made the best possible argument pro Trump.
But that's like saying you might as well suck the dick of the biggest guy on the cellblock because he's gonna get one way or the other.
Sometimes you just have to say no and to hell with the consequences.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 24, 2016 12:55 PM (k8tEg)

703 >>>Over my entire career, with countless deals and hundreds of thousands, if not millions spent on lawyers, if have never, not once, found one that can facilitate making a deal.

You've spent millions of dollars on attorneys and couldn't find a single one to get you a good deal? Are you fucking serious? Well I apologize for attacking Trump if this has been your experience. I wish you luck with your new deal maker.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 12:55 PM (/E+t2)

704 Look at Ted Cruz. Needs 87% of the remaining
delegates that in reality will never happen and everyone here as well as
Ted Cruz himself knows it.

He should have just suspended and lined up behind Trump to burn the witch instead of pressing his idiotic attacks on Mrs. Trump.

Posted by: Drider at March 24, 2016 12:32 PM (bdzyz)
........
So the plan is to beat a big government authoritarian by supporting a big government authoritarian to win?
Why would that make any sense? IF you want a Big Government Authoritarian'; support Hillary,or Sanders, or Trump.
IF you don't want that, don't support any of the three.An (R) after a name won't make a Big Government Authoritarian pushing liberal policies suddenly a better plan.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 24, 2016 12:55 PM (1tc4V)

705 seems that the only thing wrong with him is not attracting a pac to do
the dirty work for him so he can looks nice and "presidential".
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Boom

Posted by: Mega at March 24, 2016 12:55 PM (hHFOx)

706
She sounds more qualified than Ted

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (lKyWE)

707 Fair, unfair, or only fair when Trump does it? Which is your answer? Megan Kelly, Fiorina, and others would like to know the rules here. Since you know them; please share.
And realize I'm gong to mock you for the liberal party line "It's only good when I do it" moral high ground should you try to claim that...
Which seems likely.
Posted by: gekkobear at March 24, 2016 12:50 PM (1tc4V)

The Trump supporters who try to clamber onto the moral high ground and denounce Cruz's PAC for circulating that picture haven't a leg to stand on.

The real problem here is that after denouncing Trump up and down for month after month as a crass vulgarian, the People of Principle have resorted to slut-shaming his wife.

The intelligentsia are down in the mud with him. And they did it to win Utah, which was never going to go his way anyway. They lose again.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (xuouz)

708 Voting for Hillary is a bridge too far.

Posted by: Gene Kelly at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (xZc4z)

709 "Cruz, when he loses, usually comes in second and is behind by 10% or less. When he wins, he wins by big margins. Utah went 60% Cruz on Tues. with Trump in THIRD behind Kasich. "

He wins caucus'. Otherwise, he's only won Texas and Oklahoma. Every number you throw out there about Trump not getting x% of republican votes you have to say that for Cruz it's even higher.

Ex. 80% of Republican won't vote for Cruz.

Geez, Arizona just kicked his ass the other day.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (bRWtO)

710 "That analogy is, of course, totally ridiculous. And given that you consider that to be an effective debating point it shows you exactly why you can't change anyone's opinions with your arguments.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 12:46 PM (zc3Db) "

From you, I'll take that as a compliment. You haven't changed a bit since your HA days. The only Trump fan on this site who may have changed a single mind is GoK.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (4/i9Y)

711
Bander, hasn't "the other side is worse!!! eleventy" been the heart
of the GOPe "case" in many big elections for years now? Or, at least,
the limp rationalization?

Posted by: rhomboid

Nailed it.

Voting has always been such with few exceptions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 24, 2016 12:15 PM (A/3fN)
__________
Yep. If it comes to a choice between DJT and HRC, I'm going libertarian for the POTUS spot. In the general, the popular vote is a beauty pageant anyway, so the electors will sort themselves out. The Ds usually have a better ground game for the Electoral College, but maybe after 8 yrs of narcissistic nastiness, even the Ds' GOTV campaigns might be tapped out. I can't keep supporting these strawmen elections. If DJT and HRC are the nominees, we can vote for evil, stupid, stupid and evil, and what flavor of baksheesh is in fashion with the MSM.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (MIKMs)

712 You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!

Posted by: Eros, Plan 9 from Ace of Spades HQ at March 24, 2016 12:57 PM (JO9+V)

713 Donald Trump would be so opposed by congress in both parties that the power of the executive branch would be rolled back. He'd be fighting congress so constantly that they would get virtually nothing done. The less the federal government does, the freer we are. ... Its not that hard to work out how just about anybody on earth would be less damaging to freedom than President Obama or Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Bingo.

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2016 12:58 PM (jBuUi)

714 Melania is 45 yrs. old isn't it time trump trades her in for a newer model?

Posted by: Gene Kelly at March 24, 2016 12:58 PM (xZc4z)

715
You think Trump would be happy with 56% approval ratings? He has the best approval ratings. The classiest.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:48 PM (4/i9Y)

His approval ratings will be yuge!

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (RcpcZ)

716 "http://blog.dilbert.com/post/141605245101/whos-afraid-of-donald-trump Enlightening.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at March 24, 2016 12:47 PM (oPFsu) "

Look, I like Scott Adams, but that wasn't his strongest post. For starters, his whole "I'm not picking sides" push is disingenuous. He clearly likes Trump, but knows it's declasse to do so, and as a comic strip artist he can't afford to only have fans from one side of the ideological spectrum.

Also, he's basically saying "Humans are terrible at predicting the future, but Trump will totes be better than Clinton because he's unpredictable." For a guy who is usually so immaculately logical, that's not a great argument.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (4/i9Y)

717 "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing. "

- Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5.

His mellow had been harshed, that day.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (bpn7O)

718 OK ACE, now lets see a spread on Cruz's wife, her union work, etc. Plus no need to include racy photos taken before her marriage. Then you can go back to slitting throats.

Posted by: yakimaal at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (26lZw)

719 So let me get this straight Ace...for the last 6+ years you've been railing against the GOP establishment, calling for conservatives to "burn it down". Now, an outsider candidate (Trump) that's actually on the verge of defeating the establishment and bringing about what you've been asking for, and you won't only not vote for him, you'll actually vote for Hillary? Seems to me you're exactly like the GOPe. It's either your way or the highway. I've read your blog daily for years. I'm at the point now where it's the last of the political blogs I'll read in my day simply because you're so hypocritical over this. I'm probably going to stop reading all together now thanks to this stance. If you can't get behind the fight to keep Hillary out of the White House, you're lost to me.

Posted by: pete at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (nuuL1)

720 @ 626

>>>You didn't say the word respectability. You only spoke on behalf of all sentient beings, "WTF?" to Trump supporters. I connected the dots you put in there. You don't like it, you can resign your self-appointed role as Spokesperson for All Sentient Beings.

Now, is it a strawman to say that you want to vote for Traitor Felon Hillary Clinton?

Because if you vote for her ... On behalf of all patriotic Americans, WTF?

****************

First, in Hillary vs, Trump - easy call, Hillary. I'm a liberal, self-identifying. I know this is a conservative (and, of course, smart military) blog and I'm not here for the usual BLUE VS. RED!! stuff. You can have the fainting couches about who's patriotic or not (I never used that word either, btw.)

But my post was about beyond the land of Red vs. Blue - Trump is, in my mind kinda **obviously** psychologically unfit to be anywhere near that kind of power. Way beyond what Hillary or Cruz would do on their worst days in the eyes of the opposition.

Just look at the content of this post, for example. That's the guy that's the class of the 16 guys the GOP ran this year? Really? Everyone from Jindal to Perry to Rubio to Christie to Walker, and it's gonna be Mr. "My wife smokes your wife, and if you don't think so I'll do XXX to you?" That's what you're fighting for?

You don't have to love Hillary to get the difference between a psychologically damaged guy like Trump and the typical ego-driven pols on both sides. That's my point. I get you disagree. It's still a WTF to me.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (oUDMc)

721 Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 12:13 PM (oUDMc)

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been getting the emails, so I know you've been travelin', but it's SO GOOD to see you and how the hell are you????

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (q1FtT)

722 "The knots one has to tie oneself into ... "

You're certainly proving yourself very flexible, Ace.

Posted by: john at March 24, 2016 12:59 PM (xE0ji)

723 HILLARY IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL
Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 12:52 PM (o+SC1)

SO IS TRUMP.

The only thing Hillary has done that Trump has not is mishandle classified information. Trump has never had access to classified information, so I'm calling it neutral. His record gives me no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The difference between the two is Hillary tends to speak out against misogyny, rapists, and pedophiles (after she's caught supporting them). Trump has a long history of endorsing them and defending them as "great guys", even after their caught and convicted.

Oh, and Hillary has never gone bankrupt on real estate deals.

This is not an endorsement of Hillary. It is me expressing my utter disbelief that anyone can suggest that Trump is any different, much less and improvement.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:00 PM (XItbt)

724 Guesswork: Ace is playing nth dimensional chess with us. He's simultaneously reminding us of the horror of a Hillary presidency, and declaring his unwillingness to defend DT at all.

Alternatively, the blood on the banhammer has dried and there must be sacrifices.

Posted by: Parker at March 24, 2016 01:00 PM (VDyDJ)

725 Give it rest. Trump is a negotiator. That's a major portion of his life's work. It's what he enjoys doing. Negotiating.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:50 PM (bRWtO)

What are you one of his aides? Why do you speak of the man as if you personally know him? You don't. In the whole scheme of things you are inconsequential and insignificant in his failures and success.

The only reason I bring it up is because you are a regular here and it sounds weird when you do it.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:00 PM (/E+t2)

726 Andycanuck, I can't think of a single commenter here who is pro amnesty, except petunia and the Begonia sock.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:01 PM (SEFXb)

727 @ace "Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."
Ace-- Sir--please take a deep breath and re-think that one.
I'm not WILD about Trump, but I DO think he would surround himself with better advisers than Hillary would have. Often staff has a rather large affect on how things get done> I see NOTHING in Hillary telling she would admit to mistakes or wrongdoing. My personal preference would be Cruz.
I wish you all a safe and Joyous Holy Week.

Posted by: rld77 at March 24, 2016 01:01 PM (WLwDX)

728 Come ay my wife or family and you'll wish i was nice as trump.

Still planning to vote cruz and or trump. But def not Kasich.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 24, 2016 01:03 PM (G7wcY)

729 Melania is 45 yrs. old isn't it time trump trades her in for a newer model?

Posted by: Gene Kelly at March 24, 2016 12:58 PM (xZc4z)

If she only had a granddaughter.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at March 24, 2016 01:03 PM (RcpcZ)

730 If trump does surround himself with decent folks and they disagree with him , he will publicly bully and savage them. So yeah guy is pretty good at handling criticism.

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler Esq at March 24, 2016 01:03 PM (p9K8A)

731 If he's the nom, I'm voting for him, or rather, voting against Hillary choosing to staff Federal posts and choosing a SCOTUS or two.

Posted by: LauderdaleVet at March 24, 2016 01:03 PM (TAY7g)

732 "
Yeah, and Obama went to Harvard. Reagan went to Eureka. I thought we were the party that didn't care about Ivy League pedigrees? "

Of course, you didn't notice what I was responding to.

Cruz - Obama - Harvard lawyers who are ineligible with communist fathers at their births.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:04 PM (bRWtO)

733 ">>We really are living Idiocracy.

He spent an awful lot of time since 2014 telling anyone who would
listen that Romney's illegal immigrant plan was "mean". But this is Mr
Tough Guy on illegals?

Supporting Trump is all about believing whichever position Trump
takes on any given day. Don't like his position on a certain issue
today? Wait until tomorrow because it will change." jackstraw

He runs a business using cheapest (mostly legal) labor available. He said Romney was mean on the self deport thing, but that was not his position as a candidate. He hasn't changed on illegals, except his deportation is probably overstated. He (and Cruz) changed on their H-1b support somewhat, in light of the Disney thing.

To claim he keeps changing on illegals is nonsense.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 24, 2016 01:04 PM (N8i7l)

734 My personal take is this: We aren't voting for someone's supporters, we're voting for that person. I suspect that Trump will be, in all actuality, and contradicting what most people predict, a rather ineffectual and kick-the-can navel-gazing random loser president, along the lines of Carter or Hoover. He will have no particular ideology, will not get his pet ideas passed, and will huff and puff and basically do nothing useful for four years. And I count that as a PLUS in his favor, because the alternative -- a corrosive socialist -- is infinitely worse than a do-nothing.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (jBuUi)

I know it hasn't happened yet, but I think this is spot on.

As long as he doesn't get into a stupid spat with another world leader, LOL.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:04 PM (SEFXb)

735 From you, I'll take that as a compliment.

Go right ahead.

You haven't changed a bit since your HA days.

I haven't changed a bit since my PowerLine forum days (and before, even).

The only Trump fan on this site who may have changed a single mind is GoK.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (4/i9Y)

Interesting how you would privy to that information. I don't care so much about changing people's minds as just putting my opinion out and defending it. I don't lose my shit because people don't come around to my way of thinking.

I was one of the few who was telling ace, from the very start, that the Trump candidacy was not a joke and that he could easily win the nomination. I wasn't looking to convince anyone of that but only posting it to make a prediction, which turned out to be true. You, of course, could stick with the people who have constantly made predictions that have turned out to be false (and just outright silly) - that's your prerogative - but I really wouldn't be proud of that, were I you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (zc3Db)

736 Trump didn't get anybody killed and go to bed

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (zOTsN)

737 Oh, and Hillary has never gone bankrupt on real estate deals. [/i

I'm not Trump supporter as anything other than #NeverHillary, but I'll take a real estate bankruptcy over Whitewater type shenanigans.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (q1FtT)

738 Also, people are right, Trump basically has the nomination sewn up, barring a brokered convention. Should be a good time to co-opt some Cruz voters for the general, right? Oh, nope, time to attack Cruz's wife and alienate his base even more.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (4/i9Y)

739 >>The Trump supporters who try to clamber onto the moral high ground and denounce Cruz's PAC for circulating that picture haven't a leg to stand on.

How many times do Trump supporters have to be told that this wasn't a Cruz PAC? Or do you know and much like your candidate don't really care about facts?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (/tuJf)

740 If Trump doesn't reach the delegate count, and the convention gives the nom to someone else, is that "stealing" the nom?

Is Cruz so anathema to your values and political beliefs that you could never vote for him against HRC?

How twitchy is your finger to go and start punching buttons for Dems? Are you just looking for an excuse?

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 24, 2016 11:32 AM (tSSSX)

And you think the Establicans would award it to Cruz? They loathe him even more.

Anyway, this petty infighting is pathetic. I miss the bromance Trump and Cruz had before New Hampshire.

And I will still vote for The Donald over the Clitler. If we are going to go down, let it be entertaining....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (ujg0T)

741

ooops

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 01:06 PM (q1FtT)

742
The only thing Hillary has done that Trump has not is mishandle classified information. Trump has never had access to classified information, so I'm calling it neutral. His record gives me no reason to give him the benefit of the

Left out the part where Hillary has used her position in government to enrich herself through the Clinton Foundation in a pay to play scheme didn't you?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 01:06 PM (lKyWE)

743 >>>Geez, Arizona just kicked his ass the other day.
****

47.1%. That is not kicking anyone's ass. That is squeaking by and has done nothing to improve his aggregate 38% support.

47% nor 38% support will win a general election.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:06 PM (XItbt)

744 y'all stay here and argue with each other...

ima go pick up a new (to us) shotgun and spend the afternoon at the range with my currently unemployed wife.

have fun!

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2016 01:07 PM (sm9eL)

745 The real problem here is that after denouncing Trump up and down for month after month as a crass vulgarian, the People of Principle have resorted to slut-shaming his wife.

The intelligentsia are down in the mud with him. And they did it to win Utah, which was never going to go his way anyway. They lose again.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (xuouz)

Yes! As I said in my first comment, if this is what you do to oppose him, you're just as low class as you think he is.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:07 PM (SEFXb)

746 719 Um, what Pete?

So your plan to "burn it down" wasn't over making deals with liberals; you want to "burn it down" by pushing for a big governemtn authoritarian who was a liberal for years; who claims to have a great ability to make deals with liberals?

If your goal is not to destroy the establishment; but to destroy Conservatism as a whole and ONLY leave liberals standing to have power and control over the country? Yeah, then Trump makes sense.

Of course if that's your goal; Sanders makes more sense... why not just go Sanders?

Posted by: gekkobear at March 24, 2016 01:07 PM (1tc4V)

747 "Oh, and Hillary has never gone bankrupt on real estate deals."

There was Whitewater. That went belly up and everyone but the Clintons got screwed.

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at March 24, 2016 01:08 PM (t3cNy)

748 TAMMY!!

I'm among the daywalkers. What the hell am I doing here?!

I'm on tour - just swung through the south, matter of fact. TX, LA, AL, FL, GA. Now in VA then headed up north. I've been on tour for almost 10 months in a row now. Lots of Europe. Crazy but busy and business is good.

It's great to see you too and I appreciate you reaching out, especially in the middle of this gigantic shit show. What a crazy effin' year, right?

Hard to believe how long it's been. I hope you're doing well, truly.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 01:09 PM (oUDMc)

749 Melania is 45 yrs. old isn't it time trump trades her in for a newer model?
...
The upside of a Trump admin would the entertainment value of seeing Melania and the Donald's new mistress screaming at each other in public, and Trump giving speeches on the relative merits of each woman's boobs.

This isn't fantasy--it already happened, except with different women.

Posted by: stace at March 24, 2016 01:09 PM (ozZau)

750 Diamano

Trump never got anybody killed and went to bed, jailed a video maker and lied to the bereaved over their coffins

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 01:09 PM (zOTsN)

751 The intelligentsia are down in the mud with him
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:56 PM (xuouz)

No, Liz Mair did that and I don't think even see thought this would blow up like this.

This shows us two things:

1. Trump cannot let ANY slight go. This is un presidential and dangerous.
2. This furthers the argument about his mental instability. At some point outbursts like this are going to start raising eyebrows.

I have a sneaking suspicion Team Hillary and the Media will "investigate" this.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:09 PM (/E+t2)

752 "Oh, and Hillary has never gone bankrupt on real estate deals."

Whitewater. She bankrupted the other guys.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:10 PM (bRWtO)

753 "Remind me again, which group of political partisans are the "angry" ones?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 24, 2016 12:41 PM (xuouz)"

Everybody? Expect for Hillary fans, I guess.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:10 PM (4/i9Y)

754 >>Left out the part where Hillary has used her position in government to enrich herself through the Clinton Foundation in a pay to play scheme didn't you?

Trump has been bragging about bribing politicians to get favorable business treatment for years. Trump's dad, the source of The Donald's wealth, made his fortune largely by building government housing.

Trump is everything conservatives say they hate about crony capitalism. He is the ultimate crony.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

755 "The real problem here is that after denouncing Trump up and down for
month after month as a crass vulgarian, the People of Principle have
resorted to slut-shaming his wife."

One person did so. One.

The universal reaction was to disapprove. Please point to anyone [other than anonymous commentators) who defended Mair on this?

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at March 24, 2016 01:11 PM (t3cNy)

756 741

ooops

you rang?

Posted by: The Barrell at March 24, 2016 01:11 PM (sm9eL)

757 Does who ever has the most posts this week get a Hillary bumper sticker?

Posted by: rerun at March 24, 2016 01:12 PM (SOVQ8)

758
Trump has been bragging about bribing politicians to get favorable business treatment for years. Trump's dad, the source of The Donald's wealth, made his fortune largely by building government housing.

Yeah,so what? businees people are not public servants.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 01:12 PM (lKyWE)

759 and... someone decided to take a shower first.

pass the popcorn, por favor.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2016 01:12 PM (sm9eL)

760 Please, let's not get carried away.

Hillary's, long history of immoral and criminal activity eclipses anything Trump has done. The woman has blood on her hands FGS. And remember the horrible individual she's married to.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:13 PM (SEFXb)

761 "SO IS TRUMP.

The only thing Hillary has done that Trump has not is mishandle classified information. Trump has never had access to classified information, so I'm calling it neutral. His record gives me no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. "

---------------------
Bengahzi anyone?

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:13 PM (bRWtO)

762
The only thing Hillary has done that Trump has not is mishandle classified information.

That's so wrong and ignorant I don't think there's a word in the English language that can describe it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 01:13 PM (39g3+)

763 Ace, I'm a recovering neoconservative. It sucks for both of us to admit we were taken in by Bushism and it sucks to admit it was both a grift and a failure. It sucks that what we've supported has "conserved" nothing of note It sucks - to you - that some of us are ready to take a chance on anyone, including Trump, who isn't part of the last 25 years of Failure Theater.

I, like you now, have said I'd vote for Hillary to destroy the GOPe.

Your present trajectory serves our common purpose. The GOP will lose at least 1/3 of its present voters for good if Trump is denied the nomination with even an appearance of impropriety. If Cruz wins the nomination Hillary will brand him a creepy bible-thumping granny killer and win by 10+, at which point 1/3 of GOP voters will leave in disgust and despair.

A third party's coming out of anything that happens here. The only question is which side on the civil war gets to keep the GOP name (or has to, depending on your perspective).

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 24, 2016 01:14 PM (fxnhe)

764 To claim he keeps changing on illegals is nonsense.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 24, 2016 01:04 PM (N8i7l)

---------
"I'm changing. I'm changing," said Trump, in response. "We need highly
skilled people in this country. In Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to
have."
Remember folks; it's "nonsense" to listen to Trump, and to assume Trump knows what Trump is thinking. He may have a "Good brain" but not one good enough to let him know what he is thinking inside his own head.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 24, 2016 01:15 PM (1tc4V)

765 >>> Left out the part where Hillary has used her position in government to enrich herself through the Clinton Foundation in a pay to play scheme didn't you?
*****

Trump's "successful" businesses (i.e. things he made money on rather than losing it) were bankruptcies. He has repeatedly touted bankruptcy as legitimate business.

Here's how this works, Trump borrows a shit ton of money. Trump pays himself "management", "administrative", "general contractor" and similar fees from the borrowed money. He builds ridiculously overvalued properties to pad these "earnings" further. When it's all done, the bank owns a giant, gold spray painted mess that is on the books for far greater than market value. Trump doesn't pay the note and eventually bankrupts the entity that owns the property. The bank then sell it for pennies on the dollar.

You may recall 2008 when all the banks got bailed out because of shitty, overvalued real estate deals. Guess who is on the board of Goldman Sach and was paying politicans off to push the bailout? Donald J Trump.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:15 PM (XItbt)

766 Yes, Whitewater was especially, I can't even find the right word so I'll just go with bad.

There are few people worse than the Clintons.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:15 PM (SEFXb)

767 "SO IS TRUMP."

--------------------
Ahem. Cough. Cough. Cough.

Posted by: Zombies Vince Foster, Ron Brown & Ambassador Stevens at March 24, 2016 01:15 PM (bRWtO)

768 >>Yeah,so what? businees people are not public servants.

So you hate politicians that take bribes but have no issues with the people doing the bribing. That's solid male logic alright and all and I'm sure Donald will totally change if he gets the most powerful public servant job in the world.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 01:15 PM (/tuJf)

769 I'm not sure about Trump successfully surging birth. Those hands look like they were pretty badly deformed during the delivery.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 24, 2016 01:16 PM (zPrD/)

770 Trump is everything conservatives say they hate about crony capitalism. He is the ultimate crony.

Correct, he is the ultimate cronyist. Its curious, actually. Trump vs Clinton will be the ultimate business crony vs the ultimate government crony. They're flip sides of the same horrid colluding coin when it comes to this topic.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2016 01:16 PM (39g3+)

771 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 24, 2016 12:54 PM (bLnSU)

I'm old enough to remember you lecturing me that "both sides" have been awful. Good times.

Posted by: Mega at March 24, 2016 01:16 PM (hHFOx)

772 "I was one of the few who was telling ace, from the very start, that the Trump candidacy was not a joke and that he could easily win the nomination. I wasn't looking to convince anyone of that but only posting it to make a prediction, which turned out to be true. You, of course, could stick with the people who have constantly made predictions that have turned out to be false (and just outright silly) - that's your prerogative - but I really wouldn't be proud of that, were I you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 01:05 PM (zc3Db) "

Yeah, try selling your amazing precognitive abilities to someone who doesn't know your posting history.

And why do you assume I want to change minds either? It's long past the point where I think any of the Trump fans will listen to reason. Everyone is going to be equally pissed off come November. But if you want to talk about false and outright silly predictions, thinking that Trump is going to win the general election takes the cake.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:17 PM (4/i9Y)

773 I'm among the daywalkers. What the hell am I doing here?!

Things have gotten truly insane here. We are well down the rabbit hole, as you can see, what with ace and all the rest of our betters voting for Hillary now.

You've gone around the world several times the last few years! Does Mrs ALAoSRNO tour with you or does she have her own touring going on?

So awesome to see you, drop by the ONT if you can! Robert and Berserker haven't been around in, gosh, a year or more, but there are still some familiar faces there.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 01:17 PM (q1FtT)

774 Katpiss. Perfect

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 01:17 PM (zOTsN)

775 Trump is everything conservatives say they hate about crony capitalism. He is the ultimate crony.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

This is why I find the claims he will stop corruption in Washington so hilarious. I know the excuse is that he basically had to bribe politicians as the cost of doing business (really?), but then we are to believe he will stand up and fight for um, stuff.

Sure, he's a fighter. He picks fights with people.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:18 PM (SEFXb)

776 "I'm changing. I'm changing," said Trump, in response. "We need highly
skilled people in this country. In Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to
have."

Uh, last time I checked, H-1 people are legal, not illegal. The H-1 people are another issue, and they are not illiterate fruit pickers.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:18 PM (ujg0T)

777 Melania?

Consider it hit.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2016 01:19 PM (Tpm5R)

778 And yes, the ultimate "burn it down" pick would be Sanders, not Trump. We get to see American do a backslide under the thumb of an honest to goodness dyed in the wool Socialist, and we probably get some race riots to boot. And hey, if we can flip the superdelegates, it's not too late!

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:19 PM (4/i9Y)

779 and they are not illiterate fruit pickers.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:18 PM (ujg0T)

Curmudgeon: I hate cheap fruit!

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:20 PM (/E+t2)

780 So how's the ban bait going? Takers?

Posted by: Hillary at March 24, 2016 01:20 PM (NnS0Q)

781
I see some progress here.

Many have moved from denial to anger.

The convention will be time for bargaining and depression.

Unfortunately, some will never get that far.

I've found that when facing the inevitable, getting to acceptance quickly is best.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 24, 2016 01:20 PM (RcpcZ)

782 Trump has exactly two business successes: Being successfully born to his mother, and successfully outliving his father.

Still more accomplishments than Hillary has going for her.

Posted by: ConservativeRumors at March 24, 2016 01:20 PM (uPFik)

783 >>> Trump never got anybody killed and went to bed, jailed a video maker and lied to the bereaved over their coffins
.....

Nah. He went around on interviews spouting 9/11 truther nonsense and blamed Bush for the deaths of over 3,000 people.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:21 PM (XItbt)

784 @ 773 (Tammy) -

Sorry to say that there is no Mrs. anymore. That ship sailed two years ago. All for the best, though. She's doing well and I wish her well. I'll drop by the ONT one of these nights if the rest of the horde can stand it. ;-)

I hope those AoS metal bass dudes are doing well, wherever they are! I think I'll stop hijacking the end of the thread now....send an email if you like!

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 01:22 PM (oUDMc)

785 "SO IS TRUMP."

Trump is not on tape laughing about a twelve/thirteen year old rape victim like Hillary is.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:22 PM (bRWtO)

786 H-1 people are legal,
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:18 PM (ujg0T)

So you were totally cool with american workers at Disney training their h1b visa worker replacements?

See how hard it is to defend a man who stands for nothing other than making deals that enrich himself?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:22 PM (/E+t2)

787 #70 In NYC, Lib lifestyle embraces you.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 24, 2016 01:22 PM (zPrD/)

788 In my land, women are for advancing the race, not for fighting man's battles.

Posted by: Eros, Plan 9 from Ace of Spades HQ at March 24, 2016 01:22 PM (JO9+V)

789 776 "I'm changing. I'm changing," said Trump, in response. "We need highly
skilled people in this country. In Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to
have."

Uh, last time I checked, H-1 people are legal, not illegal. The H-1 people are another issue, and they are not illiterate fruit pickers.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:18 PM (ujg0T)

You're right. The illiterate fruit pickers all work in Trump kitchens and on Trump hospitality staff during the off seasons.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:23 PM (XItbt)

790 The real reason I won't vote for Trump? Just read the excuses his minions are making for his douchebaggery. I find his fawning, dishonest protectors more offensive than his own bumbling campaign. Trump is just being Trump, what's the excuse for all of his sycophants? When your candidate fucks up force him to own up to it like a man would instead of making stupid assed excuses for him.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 01:23 PM (ROUi8)

791 Nah. He went around on interviews spouting 9/11 truther nonsense and blamed Bush for the deaths of over 3,000 people.
Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:21 PM (XItbt)

That makes him a fruitcake not a criminal.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 24, 2016 01:23 PM (SEFXb)

792 >>>I'll drop by the ONT one of these nights if the rest of the horde can stand it. ;-)

Please do. I like your insights.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:24 PM (/E+t2)

793
So you hate politicians that take bribes but have no issues with the people doing the bribing. That's solid male logic alright and all and I'm sure Donald will totally change if he gets the most powerful public servant job in the world.

Wow that makes sense.Clinton was taking large sums of money from foreign governments through her shame foundation that had interest in deals that needed State Dept approval.but keep playing small ball if you like

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 01:24 PM (lKyWE)

794 Yeah, try selling your amazing precognitive abilities to someone who doesn't know your posting history.

Okey doke. I think most regulars around here have a pretty good idea of my positions and predictions. But, you seem to have something particular in mind. Do me a favor and post exactly what you're talking about.

And why do you assume I want to change minds either?

That was the idea that you were defending and that was the genesis of this conversation, if you recall. It was about bloggers' abilities to change minds and you gave a silly analogy to support them.

It's long past the point where I think any of the Trump fans will listen to reason. Everyone is going to be equally pissed off come November.

The Trump and Trump-supporter haters are certainly much more pissed off than anyone else.

But if you want to talk about false and outright silly predictions, thinking that Trump is going to win the general election takes the cake.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:17 PM (4/i9Y)

LOL. If you (and ace) say so then it must be true.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 01:24 PM (zc3Db)

795 Sorry to say that there is no Mrs. anymore. That ship sailed two years ago. All for the best, though. She's doing well and I wish her well

Shit happens. Sometimes friends is better anyway. One can always get the other benefits elsewhere.

Definitely stop by the ONT!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 24, 2016 01:24 PM (q1FtT)

796 Damiano

The subject was how Trump was as criminal as Hillary. Now I'm a Cruz person, but I know the truth. She let people die, went to bed, jailed a video maker and then lied to the bereaved, the Congress and the nation. That's worse. Admit it

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 01:25 PM (zOTsN)

797 "Nah. He went around on interviews spouting 9/11 truther nonsense and blamed Bush for the deaths of over 3,000 people."

Saying bad things about W is just as bad as getting US personnel killed lying about it?

Many "conservatives" who rail on the moral equivalency tactics of the Salon Left are enthusiastic proponents of the strategy when their own oxen are being gored.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 24, 2016 01:26 PM (fxnhe)

798 Curmudgeon: I hate cheap fruit!

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:20 PM (/E+t2)

Do you love overcrowded public schools and hospitals and an unassimilated Reconquista underclass?

So you were totally cool with american workers at Disney training their h1b visa worker replacements?

See how hard it is to defend a man who stands for nothing other than making deals that enrich himself?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:22 PM (/E+t2)

If you grill Cruz on this, I will bet you that he, too, will go squishy on the H-1s. And I prefer Cruz, by the way. Even some of the most ardent border control people are squishy on the H-1 hi-tech 21st century indentured servants.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:26 PM (ujg0T)

799 Trump's acting more and more like a Clinton decoy. He's destroying Republican and conservative unity. Who does that benefit.
Limbaugh really is Lord Haw Haw for Trump.

Posted by: El Alamein at March 24, 2016 01:26 PM (uNpJu)

800 Normally, I'd snipe, but I'm voting a straight dem ticket if the gope steals the primary from Trump's voters.

So do whatever your conscience requires of you.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 24, 2016 11:28 AM (ZbV+0)

Cause Trump voters (less than 32% averaged across all decided states so far) have the absolute right to dictate to the almost 70% of voters who voted for someone else?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 01:27 PM (NPofj)

801 27 I don't get Trump. He doesn't need to do this shit. He ought to be smiling and waving like Edward VII through the French crowds that hated his guts. Yet he can't stop.

Posted by: JEM at March 24, 2016 11:29 AM (o+SC1)

Trump has no self control ... or he genuinely didn't think he'd get this far with his campaign, as perhaps he launched it simply to get some attention and cross market his various business ventures, and he really doesn't want to be President.

Posted by: Slappy at March 24, 2016 01:27 PM (uP7WU)

802 "So you hate politicians that take bribes but have no issues with the people doing the bribing"

Read "Extortion" by Peter Schweitzer. Many of those "bribes" are protection payoffs vs. political extortion. And so are the kind words for sleazebags like the Clintons Epstein.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 24, 2016 01:28 PM (fxnhe)

803

Barrel!

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 24, 2016 01:28 PM (RcpcZ)

804 </i>

Posted by: Slappy at March 24, 2016 01:28 PM (uP7WU)

805 Forget Disney.

Go to a Trump property... any one will do. Wear a DHS jacket and yell, "This is a raid! Let's see everyone's social security cards!" Watch the property empty out faster than you can blink.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:28 PM (XItbt)

806 I don't think this angle plays with anyone set for Trump already, Ace.
Awful is his selling point.

And his adoring public will easily elide whether strategic Cruz boosters or Cruz himself is responsible for the Mairite ineptitude.

What was she thinking, anyway. All eyes on Trump again - thanks hon. Or in the alternative all eyes on somebody its really easy to put one's eyes on.

Posted by: Some gratitude at March 24, 2016 01:28 PM (3fTXW)

807 38 Magnificent Seven on TCM right now.Cincinnati Kid up next and than Bullitt at 4.

Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2016 11:30 AM (B48dK)

Is actor Fred Ward in any of those movies? I just ask because it's an accepted fact that at least one movie in which Ward appeared is running at all times on cable every single day of the year.

Posted by: Slappy at March 24, 2016 01:29 PM (uP7WU)

808 But my post was about beyond the land of Red vs. Blue - Trump is, in my mind kinda **obviously** psychologically unfit to be anywhere near that kind of power. Way beyond what Hillary or Cruz would do on their worst days in the eyes of the opposition.

Is psychological analysis on the basis of a handful of tweets a scientifically recognized method for diagnosing mental fitness?

It isn't.

You're not actually asking a question - you're shaming Trump supporters as beneath sentience, because no respectable sentient human being could support Trump.

Smug liberal casually disrespects a group, and then plays at offense when his words trigger the reaction it deserves.

Speaking of psychological fitness ... Patriotic Americans are still asking WTF about your vote for the Traitor Felon.

Actually, we're slowly realizing it's not a WTF. That is your nature. Trump is the gentle solution. I'd advise lying back and thinking of Hillary.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 01:29 PM (uURQL)

809 If you grill Cruz on this, I will bet you that he, too, will go squishy on the H-1s. And I prefer Cruz, by the way. Even some of the most ardent border control people are squishy on the H-1 hi-tech 21st century indentured servants.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:26 PM (ujg0T)

Attempt to Tu Quoque all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump is an unprincipled cronyist that has no business near the levers of power. None

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:29 PM (/E+t2)

810 Since curmudgeon forgot to close a tag

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 01:29 PM (NPofj)

811 "But if you want to talk about false and outright silly predictions, thinking that Trump is going to win the general election takes the cake."

He's not going to run.
He'll be out by end of Summer.
He'll won't go to the debates.
He won't last through Iowa.
He won't last through South Carolina.
He won't win the south.
He won't Florida.
He won't win Michigan.
Cruz is tied with him in Arizona.
We'll steal the nomination from him at the convention.

Blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:31 PM (bRWtO)

812 Cruz had nothing to do with that ad? Oh, brother. This is the whole point of a PAC. Campaign insulation, financially and morally. A pro-cruz anti-trump PAC, which Cruz also just happened to give $500k to days before this happened. And then when news of this came out did Cruz disavow? Or even after Trump shot back with his locker room reply? lol, no, of course no. Cruz still hasn't disavowed the thing.

The whole spectacle is silly, agreed, but welcome to the locker room. Trump got trolled by teddy, and now he's trying to out troll the troll.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at March 24, 2016 01:31 PM (1+nX3)

813 Now you are just fabricating. Whatever.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 01:31 PM (zOTsN)

814 Remember when Trump shut down clinton's war on women by tweeting about bj's affairs? This is the same thing . And defending his wife IS attractive to those vaunted white women

Posted by: Jen the original at March 24, 2016 01:32 PM (uysst)

815 >>>and he really doesn't want to be President.
Posted by: Slappy at March 24, 2016 01:27 PM (uP7WU)

This is anecdotal, but I do know people who absolutely believe this. I don't but it is interesting to think about.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 24, 2016 01:33 PM (/E+t2)

816 BTW just a little background info for the "uninformed" and "stupid", whatever...Heidi S. Cruz was Special Assistant to Robert Zoelick. His background is:

1) 11th President of the World Bank (2007-2012)
2) Managing Director of Goldman Sachs
3) U.S. Trade Representative (2001-2005)

As Trade Representative under the Bush Administration:

Zoelick got China into the WTO, Jordan Free Trade agreement, Vietnam Trade agreement, pushed congress to pass the Trade Act of 2002 with new Trade Promotion authority for the President, promoted the Central American Free Trade Agreement.

As President of the World Bank:

He pushed for "six strategic themes in support of inclusive and sustainable globalization". Yes we know what "inclusive" means in global contexts. One of those was to advance development and opportunities in the Arab World. How did that work out? He is also a big supporter of Woodrow Wilson's dreams of a idealized world. Once again, how did that work out?

He also supported a vulnerability fund in which wealthy nations (like the U.S.) pledge money to help developing countries stimulate their economy. Building schools and roads with American tax dollars is only good for third world countries, we Americans must instead be against that at home. You know the "Who" and "Whom" argument. American Tax dollars stimulating 3rd world hell hole good, American tax dollars stimulating America is bad.

Before joining the Bush administration:

He supported the "Project of the New American Century" in the 1990s with many people who later created the Bush foreign policy such a Bill Kristol.

Heidi was this guy's special assistant. Key word being "special"...which means down with the cause of globalization and reduction of American sovereignty into a world of free trade and open borders!

NAU (North American Union) here we come! Wonder what will be on the money? A Maple Leaf tattooed on the head of Santa Anna on the front and the Alamo in flames on the back? How about commemorative coins for Canada's victory over the evil Yanks in the War of 1812?

I think I will take Trump's wife...and not just for the looks either.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 01:33 PM (q52Ma)

817 Remember when Trump shut down clinton's war on women
by tweeting about bj's affairs? This is the same thing . And defending
his wife IS attractive to those vaunted white women

Posted by: Jen the original at March 24, 2016 01:32 PM (uysst)

It isn't attractive when he defends his wife by attacking another woman who is in no way part of the attack on his wife... like Cruz said, that is cowardly.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 01:35 PM (NPofj)

818 Who was President Ragan? Was he President before President Bish and Crinton?

Trump setting the button for Christianity and morality? How does one 'set a button'?

Posted by: Cheri at March 24, 2016 01:35 PM (oiNtH)

819 >>>
The subject was how Trump was as criminal as Hillary. Now I'm a Cruz person, but I know the truth. She let people die, went to bed, jailed a video maker and then lied to the bereaved, the Congress and the nation. That's worse. Admit it.
****

Apples vs. oranges. Trump has never had access to classified info or been in a position to fail to respond to an embassy attack. I limited my comparison to things that don't require elected office. Trump and Hillary are guilty of identical civilian crimes and corruption and, in some cases, have their fingerprints on the same things together.

Further, there is absolutely nothing in Trump's entire history that compels me to think that, in the same situation, Trump would have taken any different action than Hillary on any of the issues you bring up. On the contrary, Trump was cutting checks to her and the Clinton Foundation the entire time that these things were happening and has repeatedly come out in support of Hillary's performance as a Senator and SoS... until he announced that he was running.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:35 PM (XItbt)

820 Still waiting for Trump to "disavow" everything unpleasant that his supporters have ever posted on social media. Face it, the guy gets his rocks off playing the bully, but he was getting a bit heavy-handed with it, so now he'll play the victim for a news cycle or two.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2016 01:36 PM (2cS/G)

821 Not me.
Not Hillary.
Not ever.

Posted by: Evan3457 at March 24, 2016 01:36 PM (PKxtF)

822 It isn't attractive when he defends his wife by attacking another woman who is in no way part of the attack on his wife... like Cruz said, that is cowardly.

Posted by: redbanzai

Exactly.

Posted by: Cheri at March 24, 2016 01:37 PM (oiNtH)

823 I think I will take Trump's wife...and not just for the looks either.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 01:33 PM (q52Ma)

Is this a modified game of six degrees of Kevin Bacon?

Cause assuming things about Cruz on account of issues you have with his wife's former boss seems more than just a tad unhinged.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 01:38 PM (NPofj)

824 Why vote for Hillary? Gary Johnson's got my vote. He might not win, but my conscience will. And he's up in the polls, because people are so disgusted with their other options.

Posted by: LivingInABlueState at March 24, 2016 01:38 PM (0QFrM)

825 Trump has ADD and sits on Twitter all fucking day -- you know, like Really Successful Men Who Didn't Just Inherit Daddy's Money Do.

----

Totally unlike professional bloggers...

Posted by: #NeverHillary at March 24, 2016 01:38 PM (1+nX3)

826 "Companies owned by Donald Trump have reportedly tried to import at least 1,100 foreign workers since 2000.

A Reuters review [link at URL] of Labor Department data found that Trump Enterprises have requested temporary work visas for over a thousand foreign workers. ...

The desired workers include waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers, as well as positions as assistant golf-course superintendent, assistant hotel manager and banquet manager. ...

Reuters found that most of the visa requests were granted, as Trump has vowed to create and protect jobs for American workers. ...

The Labor Department data did not specify the nationality of the immigrants sought by Trump companies, but the visas requested are overwhelmingly used to bring in Mexican workers. ..."

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:39 PM (XItbt)

827 Still waiting for Trump to "disavow" everything unpleasant that his supporters have ever posted on social media. Face it, the guy gets his rocks off playing the bully, but he was getting a bit heavy-handed with it, so now he'll play the victim for a news cycle or two.

----

There is a difference between random supporters and a PAC directly involved in your campaign, one that you've FUNDED. This wasn't some random MEME floating around reddit.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at March 24, 2016 01:40 PM (1+nX3)

828 @808

Is psychological analysis on the basis of a handful of tweets a scientifically recognized method for diagnosing mental fitness?

It isn't.

You're not actually asking a question - you're shaming Trump supporters as beneath sentience, because no respectable sentient human being could support Trump.

Smug liberal casually disrespects a group, and then plays at offense when his words trigger the reaction it deserves.

Speaking of psychological fitness ... Patriotic Americans are still asking WTF about your vote for the Traitor Felon.

ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 01:29 PM (uURQL)

*******

So. Trump's tweets offer us no insight into the kind of President he might be. That's your defense. Maybe he's crazy like a fox? Or it's a ruse? Okaaayyy.

Consider that I'm not shaming you. He is.

As for your "Patriotic Americans are asking..." line, it's Sean Hannity-level inquiry. Tribal. You're not engaging, you're just screaming louder.

Good luck with Trump, and good day.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 01:40 PM (oUDMc)

829 That barb would make more sense if Ace actually twittered. He dumped it a few weeks ago.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 01:40 PM (ROUi8)

830 "Blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:31 PM (bRWtO) "

Yup, every poll is wrong by 15+ points. It's a vast conspiracy, I'm sure. Trump has the highest unfavorables of any major party candidate ever, but he's going to get swing voters by bullying people. He has the best insults. The classiest.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:41 PM (4/i9Y)

831 I presume Trump has a group of snarky true believers tweeting for him

Posted by: ThunderB at March 24, 2016 01:42 PM (zOTsN)

832 "That was the idea that you were defending and that was the genesis of this conversation, if you recall. It was about bloggers' abilities to change minds and you gave a silly analogy to support them.

.............

LOL. If you (and ace) say so then it must be true.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 01:24 PM (zc3Db) "

Ace has tens of thousands of readers. If you don't think he has any influence, that's an interesting position to take. But I don't think Ace is trying to change minds anymore either. He's lashing out because people he thought were his ideological confreres have taken up the banner of a pathological narcissist, and are willing to stab every other conservative in the back to insure that he wins. I'm pissed about it and I just comment here. I'm amazed Ace is still as calm as he is.

And no, Ace and I don't say it, every single poll says it. I know, polls are the devil and Reagan was down 15 points to Carter so obviously Trump will do as well as Reagan.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 24, 2016 01:42 PM (4/i9Y)

833 You're right. The illiterate fruit pickers all work in Trump kitchens and on Trump hospitality staff during the off seasons.

Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2016 01:23 PM (XItbt)

As the saying goes, hate the game, not the players.

Some time ago, Ace posted a Tucker Carlson piece entitled "Donald Trump Is Shocking, Vulgar--And Right" that explained this well.

Sorry about the tag close error!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 24, 2016 01:42 PM (ujg0T)

834 It isn't attractive when he defends his wife by attacking another woman who is in no way part of the attack on his wife... like Cruz said, that is cowardly.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 01:35 PM (NPofj)

Cruz benefited from an attack on Trump's wife.

That makes Cruz's wife fair game for an equivalent attack.

If Cruz properly disavows the attack on Trump's wife, then he can wash his hands and claim innocence. I haven't heard any such disavowal. Only weasel words like, "gee, it's a Rubio PAC".

But if you look at the text in the ad ... it says "Support Ted Cruz". Who benefited from the ad? Cruz.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 01:43 PM (uURQL)

835 " It isn't attractive when he defends his wife by attacking another woman who is in no way part of the attack on his wife... like Cruz said, that is cowardly. "

Cruz should have thought of that before he hit Melania. Likes to cast himself as the victim after doing the hits.

Besides, Melania is a model and business owner. She's not another Hillary - co-president working for Goldman and the NAU.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:45 PM (bRWtO)

836 427 Where's that CS Lewis quote about the worst type of tyrant?
------------------------------------------
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

Posted by: Gunga Done at March 24, 2016 01:46 PM (pnRrB)

837 823...

Analogy: Obama sat in Rev. Wrights church for years and you are telling me it is "unhinged" to assume Obama is down with some of what Rev. Wright was selling? And Obama was not even his "Special Assistant"...just a leftist idiot trying soak up the "black experience" so he could look authentic to the community.

Just saying.."Who and Whom"?

Who...and...Whom...

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 01:47 PM (q52Ma)

838 Yeah, she's going gang busters with Goldman Sachs and the CFR's North American Union these days.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 12:01 PM (bRWtO)

--------
Who is on Trump's foreign policy team? Richard Haass, the current President of CFR.

Now, you can try to spin how it's great he says he is listening to CFR President for advice; but CFR is bad if you like.

But you'll need to spin much faster.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 24, 2016 01:48 PM (1tc4V)

839 "Yup, every poll is wrong by 15+ points. It's a vast conspiracy, I'm sure. Trump has the highest unfavorables of any major party candidate ever, but he's going to get swing voters by bullying people. He has the best insults. The classiest."

----------------------

This is so stupid and pointless to keep responding to. The general election is eight months away. The nominees aren't even chosen yet. Polls are useless other than a means of propaganda.

You are either a Cruz supporter - you know the guy losing everywhere - or a Uniparty shill afraid of losing their spot at the trough. So blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:50 PM (bRWtO)

840 So. Trump's tweets offer us no insight into the kind of President he might be. That's your defense. Maybe he's crazy like a fox? Or it's a ruse? Okaaayyy.
Consider that I'm not shaming you. He is.

You asserted Trump is obviously psychologically unfit.

Funnily enough, he's attended quite a few debates ... and none of those debates have resulted in media reports of his obvious psychological unfitness. But now that you've seen these few tweets, you can confidently and scientifically diagnose his mental condition.

Stick to the truth. Trump is vulgar, and maybe you don't like vulgarity. Fine. But don't dress that up in lies.

As for your "Patriotic Americans are asking..." line, it's Sean Hannity-level inquiry. Tribal. You're not engaging, you're just screaming louder.

Good luck with Trump, and good day.
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 01:40 PM (oUDMc)

I'm using the same tribal language you used. You claim the tribe of sentient beings.

I claim the tribe of American. And you want the Traitor Felon to lead America.

Nice loyalty to America you're showing there. May you and only you get the society you vote for. Because no one else deserves that sort of cesspool.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 01:50 PM (uURQL)

841 Megyn Kelly has black lingerie pictures?

Posted by: Mac, Wojinksi, and the Colonel at March 24, 2016 01:51 PM (mZS3c)

842 The short-fingered vulgarian and his (probably paid) trolls (looking at you, Reactionary) can go take a flying leap.

#NeverTrump

Posted by: DriveBy at March 24, 2016 01:52 PM (C9Vc8)

843 Today....Kasich announces he wants to run with a Democrat....Ace and the Republican party bigwigs announce they will vote for Hillary.....Conservative media pundits on TV agreeing with Democrats.

Gee, I wonder why Dems have been kicking GOP arse for decades?

Posted by: Pam at March 24, 2016 01:53 PM (cF0hS)

844 Does Melania have a bruise on her arm from the FB post? I hear that's going around...

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2016 01:53 PM (2cS/G)

845 If Hilary gets in, the BlackLiesMatter, the illegals, the communists, & the Muslim activists will be running the show. They are the Dems' base. Deray probably gets to be Attorney General.

Who knows what will happen with Trump -- but these groups are so evil & vile, there aren't many people I wouldn't vote for to keep them out of power.

Posted by: Mojo v.3.162.95 at March 24, 2016 01:53 PM (bQw38)

846 You are either a Cruz supporter - you know the guy losing everywhere - or a Uniparty shill afraid of losing their spot at the trough. So blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:50 PM (bRWtO)

Or he's just trying to suck up to ace. There's a lot of that going around.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 01:55 PM (zc3Db)

847 You are either a Cruz supporter - you know the guy
losing everywhere - or a Uniparty shill afraid of losing their spot at
the trough. So blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:50 PM (bRWtO)

False Dichotomy Fallacy.
Doesn't Trumps obvious and severe mental illness bother you??

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 01:55 PM (aRUb8)

848 >>This is so stupid and pointless to keep responding to. The general election is eight months away. The nominees aren't even chosen yet. Polls are useless other than a means of propaganda.

And yet, you keep responding.

Trump has been in the public eye for 60 years. You think people are going to change their opinion of him between now and November?

Good luck with that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 01:56 PM (/tuJf)

849 Or he's just trying to suck up to ace. There's a lot of that going around.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 24, 2016 01:55 PM (zc3Db)

What evidence is there of this?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 01:56 PM (aRUb8)

850 Ace, buddy. Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't suit ya.

Posted by: 300 The CornPone Nazi at March 24, 2016 01:57 PM (XSBV5)

851 This is completely wrong. The PAC is not affiliate with Cruz. Cruz has PAC's (4 that I know), but not this one. This was a pro-Rubio PAC that has morphed into anti-Trump. It is not a "belief" that is not a pro-Cruz PAC, it is a fact and not equivalent to your belief that Cruz coordinated with it. If you don't have evidence, you're just making stuff up.
Posted by: duke at March 24, 2016 12:33 PM (EQNFN)

>>>> Yup, there's absolutely ZERO incentive for an anti-Trump PAC to coordinate with Cruz campaign on the down low.

None at all.

Again, I don't allege evidence, but it seems common sense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. Let's just say when an anti-Trump pac does something slimy in the general, most of you wouldn't roll your eyes and go "suuuuuure Hillarys campaign has nothing to do with it" It's politics, the slimiest solution is usually what happened.

Posted by: Tradd at March 24, 2016 01:57 PM (GSJcT)

852 @840

You asserted Trump is obviously psychologically unfit.

Funnily enough, he's attended quite a few debates ... and none of those debates have resulted in media reports of his obvious psychological unfitness. But now that you've seen these few tweets, you can confidently and scientifically diagnose his mental condition.

***************

I think you might find the Wikipedia page for "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" a tad uncomfortable to read.

But hey, maybe not. Because you're part of the American Tribe.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 01:58 PM (oUDMc)

853 823...and Heidi is Ted's wife...I assume she does have some influence over him. Is that why Ted at first supported the TPP and then a mob showed up and Ted said "Get McConnell, he lied to me about TPP, it is all his fault!"

Benedict Arnold actually changed sides in the Revolution because of his new wife. Note: the official reason is something else, but everyone knows the real reason. Before that Arnold was a patriot hero and then his wife did something to him...wonder what it could have been? Magic?

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 01:59 PM (q52Ma)

854 >>>>>>Since it has happened, and since it didn't occur in an alternate dimension, by definition it is NOT beyond belief.

We can despair tat our party as failed so badly, or that our electorate is so willing to embrace this this, but NONE of it is beyond belief.

our ruling classes are failing right and left, both here and in Europe. This should be seen as inevitable.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2016 12:23 PM (326rv)

Thanks for the lesson in pedantry. It's called exaggeration.

Posted by: dabhidh at March 24, 2016 01:59 PM (Es7YA)

855 I earned Ace's support by promising a full DOJ investigation on the brutal assault of Michelle Fields.

I'm glad we can reach across the aisle to oppose those that would close our borders to Muslim refugees, retweet not nice things, and oppose free college for all.

Hilary for America!

Posted by: Hilary Clinton at March 24, 2016 01:59 PM (T+50Q)

856 Trump has been in the public eye for 60 years. You
think people are going to change their opinion of him between now and
November?

Good luck with that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 01:56 PM (/tuJf)

Trump has not "been in the public eye for 60 years".People have heard his name and seen his funny face, bizarre hair and freakishly small hands before, but, I would guess, his "This man is mentally ill and possibly a danger to others" level of mental illness, is a new revelation to most people.It's obvious that he needs an intervention.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:01 PM (aRUb8)

857 I think you might find the Wikipedia page for "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" a tad uncomfortable to read.

But hey, maybe not. Because you're part of the American Tribe.
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 01:58 PM (oUDMc)

And as an expert psychologist, I suppose you can diagnose that disorder from a few tweets.

You voted for Obama, yes?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 02:01 PM (uURQL)

858 Trump Derangement Syndrome doesn't suit ya.

Posted by: 300 The CornPone Nazi at March 24, 2016 01:57 PM (XSBV5)

Just curious....what do you think of Ted Cruz?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:03 PM (aRUb8)

859 All of this arguing and Cruz doesn't mathematically have a chance to win the nomination fairly. Out in the real world, people want someone to fight back - they are sick of the candle-light memorials and hashtags, as out current President dances the tango. That is why Trump will win - he fights, he's nasty, he's cruel - and I don't give a fuck what the hand wringing Europeans think of him. They can thank the USA later after we save their asses from them selves again.

Oh, and where was the post on Cruz and Dominionism - I must have missed it.

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 24, 2016 02:06 PM (m40v5)

860 Cruz should have thought of that before he hit Melania. Likes to cast himself as the victim after doing the hits.

Besides, Melania is a model and business owner. She's not another Hillary - co-president working for Goldman and the NAU.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 01:45 PM (bRWtO)

Cruz had nothing to do with that harmless jab.Do you apologize for your "hit" on Cruz?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:08 PM (aRUb8)

861 I don't think it's a reference to Heidi Cruz's depression. I think it's a reference to her writing about dissolving our borders to create a North American Union, or maybe something about Goldman Sachs as yet undisclosed. Yes, Senator Cruz's wife wrote an official report for the Bush administration in favor of easing access to our country for Mexico and Canada, and works for a left-leaning financial firm that backs Hillary. Funny, but no one in this blog has ever mentioned that.

Cruz could disavow this, but didn't. Trump, unlike Bush, didn't ask for an apology. He put Cruz on defense. That's how you win, and it's why Trump has a better shot in the general.

Ace, please remember that a lot of us who back Trump would vote for Cruz, and your temper tantrums are counter productive. You can ban me for saying so, but it's the truth.

Posted by: Penn School Teacher at March 24, 2016 02:08 PM (MgWrK)

862 Quote of infamy:

"I will actually vote for Hillary Clinton..."

Posted by: William Eaton at March 24, 2016 02:08 PM (q52Ma)

863 I have a chance at the convention!!!

Posted by: Deez Nutz at March 24, 2016 02:09 PM (vi+pp)

864 455
Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all.

Who said that? I actually have to work sometimes so I missed that

-

The head Ewok. It's in the post itself.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 24, 2016 12:12 PM (Nwg0u)

lol

"F you, war," he says, an homage to Breitbart, in response to one of the many GOPe failure theater episodes.

When it comes time for War?

"Hoo boy. This is too messy. I'm going to sit this one out."

As far as Heidi Cruz sitting alongside a busy roadway, appearing a danger to herself, I wonder if there is any truth to this?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/ ted-cruz-sex-scandal-mistresses-cheating-claims/

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at March 24, 2016 02:11 PM (QvJot)

865 people want someone to fight back - they are sick of
the candle-light memorials and hashtags,

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 24, 2016 02:06 PM (m40v5)

You're describing Trump. His bloviating is simply a "candlelight vigil" with yelling, demeaning and hurling shit at anyone who disagrees, and his hashtag warrior efforts are simply that...hashtags.Doesn't Trumps mental illness bother you???

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:12 PM (aRUb8)

866 Ace...delete if you ARE one of the bought and paid for Bloggers for Blacklisting..Destroy dissent by any means..let loose the hounds..

Yea, baby...sure Cruz lawyers up ?: " I know nothing, I see nothing" ..because that is what lying-false-politicians resort to when they cannot obtain enough legal votes to win..their master's (Romney-Bush-Clinton type donors of special interest) throw the sleaze *racism,misogyny,bigotry,fear, etc..OR shame--that one is the reflection of desperate superpac's .

You have become a surrogate for shame. An incitor in ugly political mobs. A Glenn Beck crying clown.

The actions of your approved candidates--who lie, abandon the voters, veterans, small business, education of merit for our children, our borders, free enterprise and opportunity to enhance every life..not just the donor/media/political class..
yet protect themselves from regulations, accountability,
inflation, income stagnation..abuse government agencies to empower their pocketbooks, strip rights, especially privacy from regular middle-class taxpayers..
use the poor, needy, class with welfare goodies--not knowledge to improve their life--creating stress and hopelessness that leads to spirals of gangs, ghettoes, drugs, abortion as birth control--
and $10-20 money to vote or $50 to protest--and go back to their despair--allow a few militant "what about my safe space--choice of lifestyle" to over-rule tradition choices of the majority..
campaign--travel--lobby-love--expense accounts on the taxpayer's budget...and so many more-----++++

So, a womanizer, publicity hound, once political donor (lawfully) to advance his personal business success, with one company he acquired failing used bankruptcy laws (2 times same company) to try and save it and sold it, has been a salesman for products/business he had a financial interest in--many successful--all legal but available to the litigious society (put in place by government-politicians and the ABA) =contest civilly..

he's a braggart and showman who is on his 3rd wife, has raised a responsible loving family, yet, needs a lot more prayer and quiet time to reflect before he speaks, sometimes..and is avoiding the status-quo..old time establishment approved party apparatus..needs to stay off twitter, etc.---

BUT--He must not prevail--or--???..what? let's have our economy totally crash, let global interest's put America and it's people last..diminish public education some more with common core..keep those borders open for even a few evil-doers and a lot of non-citizens' seeking benefits, but decline that Vietnam vet Agent orange coverage--give that lady 75 pills instead of a hip transplant..arm the Muslim Brotherhood with power, guns, money..to crush Jews/Christians or any independent idea..let another terrorist organization use Asia/African/European/Middle East desperate to destroy freedom--with our military equipment left because of your approved candidate's military-type decisions--
give our State dept and the UN money to coverup diplomats criminality, refurbish embassies BUT abandon our citizens/soldiers!
Vote for these approved government official 'civilized' candidates who decide then lie/illegally coverup evidence..the power of the Presidency.

Let's give oppressive regimes who invade countries at will, starve their poor, throw handicap and mentally ill, muchless homo-tran-metro-sexuals into prison or off buildings..our mineral rights, natural resources, classified information, secrets:
First you can arrange a speech for my x-President or x-secretary of state or legislator now lobbyist to be paid $500,000 for a 10 minute speech or donate to my personal charity (that employs and pays me and family members 99% of funds given---then takes the cost of fundraising on personal income taxes)..

let's vote for someone like that..not Trump because why? explain the reason to continue the insanity, because because : oh yea..today you aided the shameful attack : "Throw poop = run and hide behind your enablers".. You're Out! yes, you are!

Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at March 24, 2016 02:12 PM (/qiij)

867 {creeps in, peeks at post and comments, creeps back out}

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2016 02:12 PM (CL5j3)

868
Cruz had nothing to do with that harmless jab.Do you apologize for your "hit" on Cruz?

His name was on the ad.he should have disavowed it

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 02:12 PM (lKyWE)

869 It's a unusal (even for National Level Politics) for a side issue to gain such prominece.

Personally, there should be a no brainer that this is a non-issue...Mrs. Trump did nothing illegal, and frankly (yes I am male enough to admit it) she looked good doing it.

I say the same about Mrs. Cruz as well.

That being said, the person that comes off the worse for this would USUALLY be a candidate whose last name sounds like "Trump"...but in a cycle of one of the three sides declaring the other two "Establishment" (Pro-Trump, Anti-Trump, and the actual Establishment/Bureaucrat types) the A/V feedback of (TRIGGER WARNING) "White Noise" is getting cumbersome.

But to his credit, Cruz has made definitive statements regarding his feelings on the issue, and his NON-connection to it...and so far, no crack reporter/ette nicknamed "Scoop" has found a smoking gun or even a blank damn check saying "Paid for by the Cruz Committee."

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 02:15 PM (tL0rn)

870 Yes, Senator Cruz's wife wrote an official report
for the Bush administration in favor of easing access to our country for
Mexico and Canada, and works for a left-leaning financial firm that
backs Hillary. Funny, but no one in this blog has ever mentioned that.

Posted by: Penn School Teacher at March 24, 2016 02:08 PM (MgWrK)

What am I missing? Is she running for POTUS or something?.., if not your observation is a non sequitur.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:15 PM (aRUb8)

871 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=362323#c25044859

I have squirming puddles on my keyboard that have better retorts than that. Plus since Don's my good buddy and fellow perv, he sent me the good shots from the various photo shoots so I could shoot on the shots. Sure sure Donny is sensitive over his size, hell he even used to wear a towel in the shower when we took showers after golfing together at those fundraisers where he gave me those yuuugggeee checks.

Posted by: Anthony Weiners Ghost at March 24, 2016 02:15 PM (N1ljp)

872 Today, I am announcing my plan for nationwide safe spaces.

Retweets of unflattering photos of candidates' wives will not be tolerated. That's not our values.

Won't you join Ace today and give whatever you can?

www.hilaryclinton.com

Hilary for America!

Posted by: Hilary Clinton at March 24, 2016 02:18 PM (T+50Q)

873 His name was on the ad.he should have disavowed it

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 02:12 PM (lKyWE)

Thats a stretch. By a logical comparison, (by your standard)..how did you respond when Trump hemmed and hawed about disavowing David Duke and the KKK? Did you speak against Trump? If not, why not?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:21 PM (aRUb8)

874 Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at March 24, 2016 02:12 PM (/qiij)

Seek help.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:24 PM (aRUb8)

875 "Or he's just trying to suck up to ace. There's a lot of that going around."

Yep, that too. There is always a lot of that going around.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 02:24 PM (bRWtO)

876 Gosh, Ace, I wish you would tell us how you really feel.
Actually, I feel your pain.

Posted by: Ruth H at March 24, 2016 02:26 PM (l9C+M)

877 "False Dichotomy Fallacy.
Doesn't Trumps obvious and severe mental illness bother you??"

Coming from a guy who calls himself Mimzey, and Not Mimzey, and You're an Idiot, I had to chuckle.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 02:29 PM (bRWtO)

878 875 - Big time.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 02:31 PM (zfvHs)

879 Coming from a guy who calls himself Mimzey, and Not Mimzey, and You're an Idiot, I had to chuckle.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 02:29 PM (bRWtO)

Non sequitur.
This coming from a guy who calls himself "Misfortune Pestilence".
This is a common reaction to being asked a question or asked to explain a position or claim when someone is incapable of doing so.
You seem lacking in understanding your own claims.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:34 PM (aRUb8)

880 I'm all Trumped out. Maybe I won't vote Hillary, but can't see voting for train wreck Trump.
Can't have a president who tweets that other's wives are basically ugly. WTF.
Probably staying home election night.
This country needs some kind of Cruz miracle.

Posted by: Dropoutkasich at March 24, 2016 02:35 PM (vi+pp)

881 >>Trump has not "been in the public eye for 60 years".People have heard his name and seen his funny face, bizarre hair and freakishly small hands before, but, I would guess, his "This man is mentally ill and possibly a danger to others" level of mental illness, is a new revelation to most people.It's obvious that he needs an intervention.

Yeah, actually he has been. I grew up around NYC and the Trump family has been constantly in the new forever.

Just because some of his fans just woke up to this guy doesn't mean he hasn't been a well known commodity by some of us for decades.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 02:36 PM (/tuJf)

882 878
875 - Big time.

Posted by: ScoggDog - Boorish Child at March 24, 2016 02:31 PM (zfvHs)

What evidence is there of this, and to what end would this phenomenon exist?? Hopes of getting a free bottle of Valu-Rite?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:37 PM (aRUb8)

883 "You seem lacking in understanding your own claims."

Lol. It was a light hearted comment. I find Mimzey and Not Mimzey posting on the same thread funny. Sort of bi-polarish comedy.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 24, 2016 02:39 PM (bRWtO)

884 "A useful test of a politician is the repulsiveness of the lies you have to tell on his behalf to support him."

That's an interesting perspective. Do posts with good lies get disclaimers or is that up to the readers to determine?

Perhaps just being honest is a better way to go.

Posted by: wodun at March 24, 2016 02:42 PM (DD0s8)

885 From daily caller: Heidi Cruz:
Heidi is herself a high-powered Bush insider, who served as deputy to
National Security

Posted by: yakimaal at March 24, 2016 02:43 PM (26lZw)

886 Yeah, actually he has been. I grew up around NYC and the Trump family has been constantly in the new forever.

Just because some of his fans just woke up to this guy doesn't mean
he hasn't been a well known commodity by some of us for decades.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2016 02:36 PM (/tuJf)

I didn't mean to suggest that Trump hasn't been a known public commodity for decades, but that his obvious and severe mental illness wasn't widely known.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:43 PM (aRUb8)

887 So, I am posing this question here since i use FB almost never, and Twitter even less than that...

What possibly could Trump "Spill the beans" about Cruzs wife?

It can't be anything *legal*, isn't it a crime to withhold information about a FELONY from police, either State or Federal?

Can't be anything *moral*: Because, well...Trump.

Political? Like Mrs. Trump, she's never ran DIRECTLY for any office...and the influence a spouse has over another isn't illegal either...unless you're ALREADY a member of the government, AND said spouse is advising you (and you do it too) BREAK the law as it is.

All in all, Trumps threat is a empty gesture to a fawning crowd (which isn't always supporters) that probably won't be anything more than a "Mean Girls" level of substance...and probably less than that.

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 02:43 PM (tL0rn)

888

Posted by: yakimaal at March 24, 2016 02:43 PM (26lZw)

So?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:43 PM (aRUb8)

889 Heidi Cruz helped to design the North American Union. She's radioactive, no idea what Cruz was thinking here.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 02:44 PM (2kjDY)

890 So Ace the idiot will vote for Hillary before he votes for Trump. How idiotic. Trump is angry and rightfully so. And, Cruz has not once distanced himself from this, as if he had no prior knowledge to begin with. In fact, instead of being an actual Christian about it and apologizing, Cruz had his wife get into the fight and escalate it. Your pal Cruz, Ace, wants the destruction of this country through the same insurgency that we are now seeing in Europe. I completely question your patriotism.

Posted by: Wayne Ville at March 24, 2016 02:45 PM (hx6+b)

891 Lol. It was a light hearted comment. I find Mimzey and Not Mimzey posting on the same thread funny. Sort of bi-polarish comedy.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 24, 2016 02:39 PM (bRWtO)

Fair enough. Comedy was, and is the intent of all my socks. If not that, what do you assume the purpose of "socking" is??When I'm being serious, I use my original nom of "Mimsey".

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:47 PM (aRUb8)

892 Damn Hillary cleans up real good after a Spa Day OFF...the NO PANTS SUIT her

Posted by: saf at March 24, 2016 02:47 PM (qKiBT)

893 Your pal Cruz, Ace, wants the destruction of this
country through the same insurgency that we are now seeing in Europe. I
completely question your patriotism.

Posted by: Wayne Ville at March 24, 2016 02:45 PM (hx6+b)

Seek help.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:48 PM (aRUb8)

894 I have heard, on good authority, that Trump eats babies, and small house pets.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 02:49 PM (3fpsC)

895 ted cruz's girl friend katrina pierson can console him. read about canaduh crud's other 4 girl friends in national inquirer magazine.

Posted by: mddy at March 24, 2016 02:51 PM (4Zqp1)

896 889
Heidi Cruz helped to design the North American Union. She's radioactive, no idea what Cruz was thinking here.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 02:44 PM (2kjDY)

What would that have to do with anything?? That said, based on your knowledge, what was her part in the designing of of this. Can you point to any particular portion, or or operative strategy of NAU that she developed?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:52 PM (aRUb8)

897
I didn't mean to suggest that Trump hasn't been a
known public commodity for decades, but that his obvious and severe
mental illness wasn't widely known.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:43 PM (aRUb

Mental illness you say? In what ways does mental illness manifest itself? Isn't obsession one? lol

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 02:54 PM (3fpsC)

898
Thats a stretch. By a logical comparison, (by your standard)..how did you respond when Trump hemmed and hawed about disavowing David Duke and the KKK? Did you speak against Trump? If not, why not?
How is that a stretch? A PAC used Cruz's name in an attemtpt to slut shame Trump's wife and if Cruz is the eventual Republican nominne the left will use Cruz's lack of disavowl of that ad as a club to be him over the head with.Your comparison to the KKK event is not logical but I'll tell you anyway that its was a mistake by Trump.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 02:58 PM (lKyWE)

899
Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 02:44 PM (2kjDY)

"The North American Union (NAU) is a theoretical economic and political union of Canada, Mexico and the United States. The concept is loosely based on the European Union occasionally including a common currency called the Amero
or the North American Dollar. A union of the North American continent,
sometimes extending to Central and South America, has been the subject
of academic concepts for over a century, as well as becoming a common trope in science fiction
One reason for the difficulty in realizing the concept is that
individual developments in each region have failed to prioritize a
larger union."

"has been the subject of academic concepts for over a century"

How old is Heidi Cruz?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 02:59 PM (aRUb8)

900 Cruz benefited from an attack on Trump's wife.

That makes Cruz's wife fair game for an equivalent attack.

If Cruz properly disavows the attack on Trump's wife, then he can
wash his hands and claim innocence. I haven't heard any such
disavowal. Only weasel words like, "gee, it's a Rubio PAC".

But if you look at the text in the ad ... it says "Support Ted Cruz". Who benefited from the ad? Cruz.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 24, 2016 01:43 PM (uURQL)

No RM, that is not how this works. If Trump wanted to dig up the wife of the PAC that actually ran the ad and attack her... well then you would still be wrong but you would be less wrong than this dreckful defense of yet more indefensible tweets from the Donald.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 02:59 PM (NPofj)

901 How is that a stretch?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 02:58 PM (lKyWE)

The candidate has no say over what PACs do.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:00 PM (aRUb8)

902 #886

Jack I too am a former resident of NYC, and the first time I even hear the "Trump" name in regular rotation, was in 1980...his dad might have been in the tabloids before that, but DT was a relative unknown, unless you count the "Page 6" style tabloid sections.

Up until then, the city for the last decade was dealing with strikes, blackouts, recovering from the near-bankruptcy, and the ongoing (winding down) mob wars in the the streets...and that was the Mon to Friday stuff...weekends were worse.

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 03:03 PM (tL0rn)

903 http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102

Building a North American Community - Council on Foreign Relations

Task Force Members

HEIDI S. CRUZ is an energy investment banker with Merrill Lynch in Houston, Texas. She served in the Bush White House under Dr. Condoleezza Rice as the Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council, as the Director of the Latin America Office at the U.S. Treasury Department, and as Special Assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, U.S. Trade Representative. Prior to government service, Ms. Cruz was an investment banker with J.P. Morgan in New York City.

She's a committed globalist, radioactive in this election season. Cruz should have kept wives off limits.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 03:05 PM (2kjDY)

904 Mental illness you say? In what ways does mental illness manifest itself? Isn't obsession one? lol

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 02:54 PM (3fpsC)

Being a 69 year old man and CONSISTANTLY manifesting the reasonings, mannerisms and behaviors of a teenager is an indication of a mental imbalance.And, yes, being obsessed over things like the size of ones hands, and relating it to your penis is a form of mental illness. Being a pathological liar is also a form of mental illness, as are delusions of grandeur. A sense of "I'm the best at everything".."My best advisor is me" etc, is also an indication that something is amiss in the brain. As is claiming "I have the BEST brain" etc.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:08 PM (aRUb8)

905
How is that a stretch?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 02:58 PM (lKyWE)

Because we say so, that's why. Now shut up. We all know that Trump eats babies, and the ones he doesn't eat he takes out on extravagant dates. He's going to ask a miniature goat to be his VP, you know the cute ones they put PJs on. The man must be stopped!

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 03:08 PM (3fpsC)

906 Ace, please remember that a lot of us who back Trump
would vote for Cruz, and your temper tantrums are counter productive.
You can ban me for saying so, but it's the truth.

Posted by: Penn School Teacher at March 24, 2016 02:08 PM (MgWrK)

Ace is not the one tantruming.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 03:13 PM (NPofj)

907 Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:08 PM (aRUb

I love this election cycle. People like you can't get their way and they decide to throw fits. So who do you think develops a facial tick, ala Chief Inspector Dreyfus, first? You or Ace?

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 03:13 PM (3fpsC)

908
The candidate has no say over what PACs do.

What planet do you live on?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:15 PM (lKyWE)

909 Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 03:05 PM (2kjDY)

You do know the Trump has all sorts of ties, both direct and indirect, to the CFR also don't you?

So if you are going to get all conspiracy minded you better be prepared to assume that "Trump is in on it!?!" too.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 24, 2016 03:15 PM (NPofj)

910 She's a committed globalist, radioactive in this election season. Cruz should have kept wives off limits.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 03:05 PM (2kjDY)

Your implication seems to be that Ted Cruzs wifes job runs Ted Cruz.Is this what your claim is?
That said, your assertion that Cruz originated anything about wives, needs clarification. What evidence do you hold that Ted Cruz originated the ad?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:16 PM (aRUb8)

911 Ace, if you gave 5000 people a few million dollars and told them to do with it what they will, how many of them would be billionaires today?

Posted by: MadMike at March 24, 2016 03:19 PM (r0Iem)

912 Heidi Cruz helped to design the North American Union. She's radioactive, no idea what Cruz was thinking here.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 02:44 PM (2kjDY)

You know, you just described the plot (somewhat) of a Clive Cussler book, "Night Probe!" right?

So, unless Heidi Ted are one and the same, or she has some micro-processor from Skynet Industries per-programmed to insert into Ted skull on the ride from the Inauguration to the White House, I'm gonna lay money down that she doesn't have the influence of say, a Hillarity! Clinton had on Bubba...

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 03:20 PM (tL0rn)

913 911
Ace, if you gave 5000 people a few million dollars and told them to do
with it what they will, how many of them would be billionaires today?

Posted by: MadMike at March 24, 2016 03:19 PM (r0Iem)

That's not a hypothetical. The lottery does it every year, and it nearly always ends badly. They have made multiple documentaries about it. The hard part about having money, appears to be actually having money. I get your point, holding a fortune together and increasing it is a win in itself, even if it is inherited.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 03:23 PM (3fpsC)

914 I have been thinking about this way too much. This is more in response to the Podhertz article linked in the sidebar than to this post, other than it is part of the #NeverTrump angle.

If it ends up with nobody with a majority, and assuming delegates abandon Trump after the first ballot, there will be a need for a candidate. For a variety of reasons, I don't think you can choose ANY of the candidates that ran in the primaries. Basically, all of them lost to Trump, hard to get the Trump supporters to rally behind people who lost to their guy fair and square.

you then need a ticket that can unite the two (three?) wings of the party. There are a couple of criteria. First, the person would either need name recognition or a story that could get recognition quickly. Second, the person must be actively following the national political scene or the media and Democrats (but we repeat ourselves) will tear them limb from intellectual limb.

For the first criteria, only two people in the party truly meet that standard (having to remember that all the people reading this blog are atypical). That is Romney and Ryan. I would not want Romney again (although I think he could beat Hillary). that leaves Ryan. As for could be inspirational, I have five and maybe a sixth. Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Susana Martinez, Rick Scott and Greg Abbott. I am open to more, but hard pressed to think of who else could lead the ticket. I don't think Mike Pence quite does it, but could consider it. He is, however, dull as dish soap as a speaker.

I think the 'true' conservatives would not like Ryan, but the majority of the party would. Ryan also does score quite well on various scales, but in the past and in his current role, he has to compromise and that makes him a hard sell.

I am not sure any of the other names would be good Presidential candidates this cycle (even if they wanted the job). Neither Scott is ever mentioned for either slot. Abbott has been Governor for about a week. Martinez has denied interest, but coyly, in the VP. Haley has basically campaigned for it.

I think a ticket that could win would be Ryan/Tim Scott or Nikki Haley or Susana Martinez. Alternatively, a ticket headed by Greg Abbott with the same bottom half.

Now if Trump does win the nomination on the first ballot and we are doomed to his candidacy, then I think it is a different outcome. A third party candidate could not win outright, but he could throw the election into the House. He would be running against the only two people with lower approval ratings than Charles Manson. The only person who could do that would be Mitt Romney, again with one of the bottom halves I suggested. In a three way race, we may not lose the Senate and we would certainly not lose the House. A 'true' conservative third party candidacy just makes the slaughter worse.

Posted by: Vairish84 at March 24, 2016 03:25 PM (hjp//)

915

And yetI remember many people on this blog over the last eight years claiming it was Michelle Obama who really controlled what her husband was doing

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:26 PM (lKyWE)

916 ( ace gently puts the dog whistle to his lips )

blah blah ( ace typing something) blah blah

BOOBS

blah blah ( ace typing something) blah blah

BOOBS

blah blah ( ace typing something; tweet tweet) blah blah

FACIAL

blah blah ( ace typing something; tweet tweet vid) blah blah

Posted by: Conservative K9 Club member since at March 24, 2016 03:26 PM (V2QDI)

917 The candidate has no say over what PACs do.

What planet do you live on?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:15 PM (lKyWE)

Do you know what organization produced that ad? What connection do they have with the Cruz campaign? You must have some idea in order to make the slanderous claim, or implication that Cruz was, not only "in on it", but it was actually his idea.Can you share the sources of your information? It would seem like doing that would help your cause by giving insight into "Lyin' Ted".What cha got?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:28 PM (aRUb8)

918 I think a ticket that could win would be Ryan/Tim
Scott or Nikki Haley or Susana Martinez. Alternatively, a ticket headed
by Greg Abbott with the same bottom half.

Posted by: Vairish84 at March 24, 2016 03:25 PM (hjp//)

Ryan? HAHHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!1!!!!11111

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 03:30 PM (3fpsC)

919 So what the Cruz people are saying is that Trump didn't disavow David Duke quick enough to Jake Tapper despite disavowing him previously 2-3 times but Cruz has no responsibility to disavow an ad that will actually bring back the "war on womyns!!!11!1!" And was overall a shitbag thing to do?

Got it. Yep that Cruz is a paragon of virtue and integrity and that Trump guy is the hypocrite. And he says Trump people tie themselves in knots defending Trump...

Posted by: LB at March 24, 2016 03:31 PM (rcDDX)

920 For me this election is about one and only one thing - the main lasting influence the next president will have is SCOTUS nominations. If any of you are seriously more willing to hand dems 16 years (and if you think you can get rid of Hillary after 4 years, don't bogart whatever you're smoking) of non-stop SCOTUS nominations than you are willing to hold your nose and vote to prevent THAT, then I think you are showing very poor strategic thinking.

Leading up to the nomination, all sorts of histrionic are in play as candidates jostle for position, but I truly hope many of you will at least consider the lasting impact of 1 more liberal justice.

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 03:32 PM (N87Zf)

921 And yetI remember many people on this blog over the
last eight years claiming it was Michelle Obama who really controlled
what her husband was doing

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:26 PM (lKyWE)

I don't remember that at all. I DO remember many claims of Valerie Jerrite (sp) running the show.
What are some of the claims of Wookie1 controlling the WH policy direction??

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:35 PM (aRUb8)

922 This dude can't abide a vote for Hillary. I've read AoS daily for many years and commented for nearly as long, although often sporadically. This is my last visit and comment. You've delivered great content and a lot of wonderful humor over the years and for that I am grateful. Good luck going forward, Ace.

Posted by: Afroman at March 24, 2016 03:35 PM (hl1fc)

923 If Heidi Cruz is a committed globalist, it is less likely that her husband Ted Cruz is someone we can trust to be anti-globalist / America first.

Especially given his old positions on TPP, legal immigration, his life history, etc.

Heidi is a relevant piece of the puzzle, although given all the GOPe globalists endorsing Cruz, you no longer need to look particularly hard to put the puzzle together.

Trump might be faking his opposition to globalism, but at least he's willing to fake it. And his enemies, National Review, etc. who love globalism, seem to think he's serious.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 24, 2016 03:38 PM (2kjDY)

924 #920

Major, if the GOP (and a lesser extent Conservatives) felt that way about SCOTUS, then President Romney would have made nominations in 2012.

The Party AND We The People knew this, and yet, some stayed home or didn't vote....hence another 4 years of the Empty Suit Promises Administration.

But, the can got "kicked down the road" and now...

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 03:39 PM (tL0rn)

925 913
911

Ace, if you gave 5000 people a few million dollars and told them to do

with it what they will, how many of them would be billionaires today?

Posted by: MadMike at March 24, 2016 03:19 PM (r0Iem)

The analogy is flawed.

For it to be accurate, it would have to be something like this:

If you gave 5000 people (with life long family connections to business high rollers and already established connections and lines of credit) a few million dollars, how many would be billionaires today?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:39 PM (aRUb8)

926 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsrE-9CLFg

Posted by: anonymous-9 at March 24, 2016 03:40 PM (gDfQc)

927
Of course you don't remember,that would completely screw up your narrative

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:41 PM (lKyWE)

928 "I figure Reagan's dead corpse would still be a better president than either of the two. "

I predict lots of pocket vetoes.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 24, 2016 03:41 PM (Rtyzj)

929 I saw him strapping on the skis last week. the fonz jumped again to no one's surprise

Posted by: Jeff E at March 24, 2016 03:44 PM (DyylR)

930 Way to go, Ace. You're really turning into Charles Johnson. Hell bent on destruction or your site.

Posted by: rayra at March 24, 2016 03:45 PM (eazKS)

931 Posted by: Afroman at March 24, 2016 03:35 PM (hl1fc)

In need of a "safe space"? One "micro-aggression" too many?

Just yankin' yer crack....I mean crank. I didn't mean to imply because you're black you use crack...don't get all liberal college student on me.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:46 PM (aRUb8)

932
If you gave 5000 people (with life long family connections to business high rollers and already established connections and lines of credit) a few million dollars, how many would be billionaires today?

None of them,a few million ain't what it use to be.Trump inherited close to 700 million I believe

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:46 PM (lKyWE)

933 930
Way to go, Ace. You're really turning into Charles Johnson. Hell bent on destruction or your site.

Posted by: rayra at March 24, 2016 03:45 PM (eazKS)

So, you'll be here tomorrow for which shift again?

Please leave your choice with the proper Ewok supervisor so Payroll Forecasting can plan the schedule accordingly.

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 03:47 PM (tL0rn)

934 927

Of course you don't remember,that would completely screw up your narrative

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:41 PM (lKyWE)

Non sequitur.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:47 PM (aRUb8)

935 #930

BTW I used to haunt that site for a long while before CJ went full David Brooks....Ace isn't even in the same Zip Code as those chattering skulls full of mush...

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 03:49 PM (tL0rn)

936 Ace yesterday- "Even Tom Friedman wonders if Obama knows what the hell he's doing, or if he's gotten so 'obsessed' with defending his approach he's letting the world burn down for his dogmatic ideological hatred of a bucket of water."

Ace today - "I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all."

Dogmatic hatred makes people do very silly things.

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 03:50 PM (N87Zf)

937 Dogmatic hatred makes people do very silly things.

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 03:50 PM (N87Zf)

Serious question.
What are you comparing??

Posted by: Mimzey at March 24, 2016 03:52 PM (aRUb8)

938 Any conservative or Republican (whatever you identify as) who votes for Hillary this year is making a big mistake.

If you don't want to vote for Trump, then you can leave the presidential race blank and just vote in the congressional and other races on the ballot. Or you could vote for the Libertarian or the Constitution Party candidate, or even cast a write-in vote.

But actually casting your vote for Hillary would be a vote for making this country a lot worse than it is now.

Posted by: Joshua K. at March 24, 2016 03:54 PM (oCZ4e)

939 932

If you gave 5000 people (with life long family connections to
business high rollers and already established connections and lines of
credit) a few million dollars, how many would be billionaires today?

None of them,a few million ain't what it use to be.Trump inherited close to 700 million I believe

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 03:46 PM (lKyWE)

700 million? I thought it was 200 BILLION...
I meant, Trump has got a Great Brain...you think a Great Brain would settle for a measly 700 million?

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 03:59 PM (tL0rn)

940 The majority of those threatening to leave haven't been here long enough to make much difference. If you disagree with the site that much there's nothing holding you here.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 04:02 PM (ROUi8)

941 Trump fights back against someone who had nothing to do with an attack he has used himself against Megyn Kelly . It would be illegal for Cruz to have knowledge of or control the activities of a PAC. If trump knew of such collusion that would be a far stronger attack upon Ted Cruz than an attack against his wife, who certainly had nothing to do with posting a national magazine cover . So if you want to vote for a combative candidate wouldn't it be better to select one who can aim ?

Posted by: mr burns at March 24, 2016 04:04 PM (1Arcq)

942 I missed today, and don't feel like reading 1,000 comments. Can someone summarize the flame war for me?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 24, 2016 04:07 PM (27zop)

943 The majority of those threatening to leave haven't
been here long enough to make much difference. If you disagree with the
site that much there's nothing holding you here.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 04:02 PM (ROUi

What did you get for your five year anniversary? A gold plated American flag lapel pin made in China?

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 04:17 PM (3fpsC)

944 942
I missed today, and don't feel like reading 1,000 comments. Can someone summarize the flame war for me?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 24, 2016 04:07 PM (27zop)
First party- Trump is sexually attracted to goats.Second party- Ace is Chief Inspector Drefus with an eye tick
over, and over, and over again.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 24, 2016 04:19 PM (3fpsC)

945 So the Republican's Patton & Montgomery can't stand each other, so you will entertain voting for Hitler?
Wow. What. A. Wanker.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 24, 2016 04:20 PM (aHUpC)

946 #937, I'm saying that if, as Ace asserts, Obama is more willing to let the world burn than swallow "his dogmatic ideological hatred of a bucket of water" and modify his foreign policy, and if Ace is truly more willing to hand the keys to the country, foreign policy, SCOTUS nominations, etc., to Hillary Clinton rather than swallow his palpable, manifest, and 10x daily-expressed hatred of Trump, then each is showing very rigid and brittle thinking.

As an aside, Ace's treatment of Trump reminds me of something I read in Keith Richard's (truly, surprisingly, good) auto-biography Life. Richards kept getting hauled before one court after another, guilty as sin of 10 different crimes, but the cops would always go for an 11th, and they would bend the truth a little, and for that reason he skated. If they had stuck to the 10 charges, Richards would have probably done serious time. But they just couldn't help themselves, and they pushed it too far.

There are serious problems with Candidate Trump that a calm, measured, honest and restrained version of Ace could use to really land some heavy blows. But the sarcasm and frustration and non-stoppedness of it amounts to that 11th charge and allows Trump to skate. Further, it allows Trump's supporters to focus on the Ace's clear emotional reactions instead of their candidate's behavior. Also, it's boring.

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 04:21 PM (egsah)

947 If you gave 5000 people (with life long family connections to business high rollers and already established connections and lines of credit) a few million dollars, how many would be billionaires today?

----

People who have never started a business and have nothing but jealousy-fueled conjecture to offer need to seriously just STFU. And even if your rant were true, it changes nothing.

How many wealthy children of powerful well-connected families have achieved what Trump has? There's a lot of millionaires out there. Let's see, by the numbers, there are about 17 million millionaires in the entire world. And including their kids and family, probably a hundred million people we're talking about. And there are plenty of well connected people beyond that who aren't milliionaries either, like schmucks in congress and other state governments. Compared to about 1500 billionaires, in the entire world. And even within that list Trump is ranked in the top 100 of billionaires. Do the math on that. Trump isn't a 1%er, he's a 0.000001%er

And Trump's wealth didn't come from a single effort that got lucky, like Zuckerberg and facebook or Gates and MSFT, etc. Not to say Zuckerberg didn't earn his, lol, but yeah, right time and place definitely plays a factor. And no doubt Trump has benefited from some good luck too, but, he's also had some real shitty luck. Point is that Trump's empire is built one brick at a time, hundreds/thousands of ventures, not one thing that just happened to take off in an insane way that nobody even the founders ever in their wildest dreams expected.

Anybody that thinks Trump just some goatfucker that inherited his daddy's ranch is a fool.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at March 24, 2016 04:38 PM (V1MUA)

948 The picture we really need to see is the Dorian Gray one Donald Trump has of himself at Mar-a-Lago. It has got to be hideous by this stage.

Posted by: Captain Jerk at March 24, 2016 04:38 PM (J3UIw)

949 DFCtomm

I got to recognize that the people bitching the most about how unfair this site is will go away eventually because the only reason they're here in the first place is because having a tantrum in private isn't any fun. The lapel pin was for my 10th anniversary. I'm hoping for a pen for the 15th.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 04:40 PM (ROUi8)

950
It would be illegal for Cruz to have knowledge of or control the activities of a PAC

lol its not illegal to have knowledge of a PAC

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 24, 2016 04:43 PM (lKyWE)

951 It's clear that Ace is deeply opposed to Trump. I think this is the first time I've read that he's in the #NeverTrump camp.

Obviously, this annoys the pro-Trump readers. Rather than criticizing Ace for his position or lumping him in as a second Charles Johnson (of Little Green Footballs), keep in mind he was #NeverRubio and at least "Trump-curious" until the flip-flopping and weird statements turned him off.

Trump has let down a lot of people who were at least initially receptive to his message. Ace falls into that category. So he's ticked off and frustrated and that's coming out in his writing. He's human....it happens.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ace reside in New York or somewhere in the mid-Atlantic area? If so, he can vote for Clinton (ugh....) without really contributing to her election. Trump may win more votes in NY than any other Republican since Reagan, but he's not going to win it against Clinton.

I'm pro-Cruz but will vote for Trump with great reluctance if he becomes the nominee. I'll never vote for Clinton or another Democrat, but I can't afford to do a write-in or leave it blank because I'm in a swing state.

Posted by: Jill v2 at March 24, 2016 04:43 PM (1+uyO)

952 I'm betting none of the people saying "Come on, you'd really support Hillary over Trump?" have ever had a long-term familiarity with a person who has a strongly egocentric personality disorder, like narcissism or sociopathy. The Clintons are an international version of the politicians on The Wire, corrupt, dishonest, and self-serving but utterly commonplace in every political system on the planet, and more or less predictable. They actually care about their reputations and how the public perceives them. Someone like Trump though, they are thoroughly reptilian in their moral reasoning, they are alien creatures who at best have superficially learned to mimic the concerns of normal people for personal advantage. I've had two such people in my family, one an elderly woman, the other a scrawny teenage girl. To someone outside our family they would be the picture of innocence and powerlessness (and certainly were so by comparison with a billionaire presidential candidate), but to those who knew them intimately, those who were most generous and compassionate towards them, they were devastating. There really is no bottom with them, they can always go lower (as I would think Trump's comments would strongly hint at to a thoughtful person). They make endless claims on the families material resources, free time, and energy. They leave good people drained and cynical. The concept of shame, a key component of a moral conscience, is completely alien to them. They are forces of nature, like a crocodile with a child gripped in its jaws. I don't want to insult people who haven't come to this recognition yet, I realize inferring the moral universe of a stranger, especially one with a particularly rare personality type, is a very subtle talent, with very little in the way of discrete, indisputable smoking guns that give the game away. But Trump is constantly advertising his true nature to those who will listen, so PLEASE just listen. And PLEASE don't assume that it can be written off as no big deal.

Posted by: reform highlander at March 24, 2016 04:46 PM (jCH/T)

953 I love how Trump supporters demand Ted Cruz immediately denounce stuff that he didn't do.

But Trump can compare Ben Carson to a child molester.

LOL. Cruz didn't make that ad, or run it, or do anything.

And why couldn't Cruz denounce it?

Because Donald, the great persuader, dropped an immediate threat on Ted's wife.

Sorry, but Trump deserves what he gets if he can't stop himself from immediately going to revenge mode.

A dude who compares people to child molesters should learn to have thicker skin.

Posted by: Harun at March 24, 2016 04:47 PM (UBBWX)

954 "Trump is embarrassing."

I can think of worse; like promising to vote for the most grasping harpy on the planet in a fit of pique.

Posted by: gdonovan at March 24, 2016 04:50 PM (Ipxoj)

955 Good looking woman. What's the problem?

Posted by: Bob at March 24, 2016 05:09 PM (fVGlW)

956 Flawless Male Logic

Did you actually read what you are trying to counter? Because it doesn't say what you seem to think it says. Or want it to say for that matter.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 05:10 PM (ROUi8)

957 I seem to remember topless photos of Carla Bruni, former French First Lady, adorning this web site without accusations of immorality from the owner.

Who would have thunk it that the internet's porn aficionado would get religious? Maybe the Easter season has exerted its influence.

Posted by: Decaf at March 24, 2016 05:11 PM (fOh0x)

958
938 Any conservative or Republican (whatever you identify as) who votes for Hillary this year is making a big mistake.

If you don't want to vote for Trump, then you can leave the presidential race blank and just vote in the congressional and other races on the ballot. Or you could vote for the Libertarian or the Constitution Party candidate, or even cast a write-in vote.

But actually casting your vote for Hillary would be a vote for making this country a lot worse than it is now.
Posted by: Joshua K. at March 24, 2016 03:54 PM (oCZ4e)
^that^

Posted by: Bebe Dahl at March 24, 2016 05:15 PM (yNyJy)

959 Decaf: I hope you aren't really that dishonest. Morality isn't the problem, it's not even an accusation here. It's the idea of blaming somebody for something they don't have control over then making threats against their wife. It's a punk move that might seem like tough politics to people who admire punks, but the rest of us are wondering what the fuck is wrong with Trump.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 05:15 PM (ROUi8)

960 Hillary would be a better president than Trump. Here is why:

President Hillary says "We need to reinstate the assault weapons ban!" 40% of the public (including all Republicans) comfortably oppose on principal, many democratic districts but are pro gun (yes they do exist!) push the no-vote over the edge and nothing happens. Status Quo.

President Trump says "We need to reinstate the assault weapons ban!" because, yeah, he was for that don't forget, and all this Rah Rah Wall and 2nd amendment is just political talk as his aides have hinted. 30-40% of pro-trumps will support him on principal (just wait for the explanations from them), and the Democrats say "See, we can work with Republicans to get things done!" and passes in a landslide.

Yeah, I'm not going to vote for Hillary, but I certainly can't vote for that guy. We need to have a nice social campaign for the next few months of who we all will be writing in as a protest vote.

Posted by: Steven S. at March 24, 2016 05:17 PM (JpEvT)

961 952, my mother had borderline personality disorder. I know crazy. Trump is still my least-loathed candidate, and I kinda suspect he won't be a 1/2 bad preznit. Lord knows the bar had been lowered.

Posted by: major major major major at March 24, 2016 05:17 PM (+jg7I)

962 http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/ted-cruz-sex-scandal-mistresses-cheating-claims/

Posted by: #TheThing at March 24, 2016 05:25 PM (wvT01)

963 #961

Maybe that's part of the problem: The bar HAS been lowered that past 8 yrs...but no sense in sawing off the remaining few inches.

#951

Jill, this is assuming that Trump *can* win NY, either Upstate or the Five Boros.

Since living there as a registered Conservative (and a minority to boot) lets just say its not a lock, no matter how many "crossover" Trump assures everyone he can bring in.

Which is probably the reason why he didn't run for Mayor or Governor of the state.

Posted by: BlaxPac at March 24, 2016 05:34 PM (tL0rn)

964 I doubt there's a Republican in Texas that hasn't had some dirt thrown at them. It's comes with the territory, just check how often indictments get thrown out after they've done their work.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 24, 2016 05:37 PM (ROUi8)

965 952
I'm betting none of the people saying "Come on, you'd really support
Hillary over Trump?" have ever had a long-term familiarity with a person
who has a strongly egocentric personality disorder, like narcissism or
sociopathy. The Clintons are an international version of the politicians
on The Wire, corrupt, dishonest, and self-serving but utterly
commonplace in every political system on the planet, and more or less
predictable. They actually care about their reputations and how the
public perceives them. Someone like Trump though, they are thoroughly
reptilian in their moral reasoning, they are alien creatures who at best
have superficially learned to mimic the concerns of normal people for
personal advantage.

Posted by: reform highlander at March 24, 2016 04:46 PM
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Well, thank you Dr. Freud.

Posted by: deadrody at March 24, 2016 05:59 PM (q72NU)

966 test

Posted by: jacke at March 24, 2016 06:06 PM (i8Shl)

967 testing

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2016 06:08 PM (6M+qo)

968 Check 1, 2.

Posted by: jacke at March 24, 2016 06:12 PM (i8Shl)

969 My fellow Americans.
Ace has officially gone off the deep end.

Posted by: jacke at March 24, 2016 06:14 PM (i8Shl)

970 I'm with Ace.

I will never vote trump.

Ever.

Posted by: Rachel at March 24, 2016 06:26 PM (El6hh)

971 76 Thankfully, for once, My vote doesn't count anyway here in CA.
Posted by: donna
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donna, your vote will count more than anyone else's this year. This race will hinge on CA.

Posted by: Matt_SE at March 24, 2016 06:29 PM (ECsmS)

972 #966, 967

Microphone Check!

Ah One-Two, One-Two

I like to introduce myself...

Posted by: Biz Markee for Cruz 2016 at March 24, 2016 06:36 PM (tL0rn)

973 Good read; thanks, Ace.

Can't stand Trump, but hate Killary and the Clintons far more. Could NEVER vote for a D ...

Posted by: ShainS at March 24, 2016 07:25 PM (a6Ff7)

974 I don't see myself voting for Trump either but voting for HRC is just insane. I don't think Ace actually meant it and was just expressing his frustration with this primary process and the poor choices we seem to be left with.

I'll vote for Cruz when the Primary finally comes to Nebraska even though the matter will likely be decided by then regardless. When the general election comes in November, I just don't know. Maybe I'll write in Darth Vader. The man gets shit done. He got the Death Star II back on schedule right?

Posted by: Daniel at March 24, 2016 07:26 PM (Ur3Wo)

975 "They make endless claims on the families material resources, free time,
and energy. They leave good people drained and cynical. The concept of
shame, a key component of a moral conscience, is completely alien to
them. They are forces of nature, like a crocodile with a child gripped
in its jaws. I don't want to insult people who haven't come to this
recognition yet, I realize inferring the moral universe of a stranger,
especially one with a particularly rare personality type, is a very
subtle talent, with very little in the way of discrete, indisputable
smoking guns that give the game away. But Trump is constantly
advertising his true nature to those who will listen, so PLEASE just
listen. And PLEASE don't assume that it can be written off as no big
deal."

You don't have to use the word "Trump" when you really mean "welfare-dependent black and Mestizo people." Also they're not that rare, just rare in pro-Cruz Republican districts-everyone who does have to deal with them on a daily basis sees the truest antidote in Trump's properly shameless attitude.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 24, 2016 08:06 PM (61Gds)

976 All of you who cannot understand that Trump loses conservatives and the general election should ask yourself if Men of Principle, who have not betrayed themselves before, are going to betray their deeply held values to vote for a guy who does not represent conservative values.

How does that square?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at March 24, 2016 08:10 PM (HeZ0H)

977 #NeverCruz ...

I hope all the Cruz folks are happy. He will never be POTUS. He won't come close to touching Hilary. She will steamroll him. Only wishful thinking can lead a rational person to believe that someone who looks and sounds like Cruz - who will easily be painted as "further right than Trump!" - will win a general. It'll never happen.

But oh what fun he has had basking in a media bubble with no one calling him out. Did he repudiate the ads done for his benefit against Mrs. Trump? No. Did he repudiate the odious Glenn Beck for pulling out all the stops and denigrating Southern evangelicals? No. Do the crazies go to disrupt his rallies? Nope. Did Cruz go for the low hanging fruit and make common cause with Alinski-ites who wreak havoc at Trump rallies and then blame him for their violence? Oh yes he did.

One quickly realizes that the anti-Trumps will immediately reach for all the Democrat dirty tricks as they try to paint Trump as a crypto-Donk. Its fascinating?

Did Trump's manager pull the Breitbart reporter to the floor? No. But Ace says he did. Repeat a lie. Democrat tactic 101 Nice.

Trump make fun of a worthless NY Times reporter? He hates the disabled!

Trump make fun of worthless Rosie O'Donnell - nasty 9/11 truther? He's mean to girls!

Trump take on the ingracious, catty Megyn? He hates the 1st amendment!

Trump say the truth - that a huge % of illegal aliens are criminal! Raaaaacist!

You should hear yourselves. In your effort to purify the temple of the evilllllll Trump you will adopt every Democratic trick and smugly congratulate yourself on how superior you are to the benighted Trumpers.

Enjoy your self-righteouness while it lasts. Ted - a first term Senator with no executive experience (Sound familiar) will likely deny Trump an outright win and the GOP Elites will rob them both at the convention. But at least he defended Heidi! Shame.

Posted by: tryptic at March 24, 2016 08:24 PM (gW/3H)

978 @ 952 Posted by: reform highlander at March 24, 2016 04:46 PM (jCH/T)

****

You are the one who nailed it. Trump has a dangerous personality disorder. The rest are just garden variety pols, with varying levels of corruption. It's different. Those who don't think so are fooling themselves or have never encountered someone like this in their own personal lives.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at March 24, 2016 08:26 PM (iW+Lo)

979 Shorter tryptic:

65% unfavorable is Cruz' fault.

LULZ

Posted by: Nom de Blog at March 24, 2016 08:28 PM (HeZ0H)

980 "Men of Principle, who have not betrayed themselves before, are going to
betray their deeply held values to vote for a guy who does not represent
conservative values."

Yes, if they voted for McCain in 2008, Romney in 2012. <a href=http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2012/11/romney-he-sucks.html>This isn't principle:</a>

"Dear conservatives, America's battle is yet to fight. It may not be
your battle. But to hand it off to a basically decent and capable
individual, a Mitt Romney, is to say: I see no battle. I would rather
sleep. If there is a battle, God, I'm sure, will take care of it while
I'm sleeping. Surely, with our model institutions and constitutions, we
cannot lose. And if we do - it was a coincidence.

Dear conservatives, I have a question for you. Suppose God appeared to
you in your sleep, and gave you a choice. You could lose your country,
but keep your institutions and constitutions. Or, you could lose your
institutions and constitutions, but keep your country. Which would you
choose?

But I don't have to choose, you say! Au contraire, mon frere! I will
save my country, by saving her institutions and constitutions! Which
are the best in history ever! Look at all this corn and bacon! Dear
conservatives, this is just your way of cursing God. Do you think he
doesn't have enough fools and drunks to look after?

...What terrified me about Mitt Romney is that four years, eight years,
of Romney would have been pure borrowed time. There was not even the
slightest intention to pay the tab. Your intention, dear conservatives,
was to sleep and be merry. Your debt is already terrifying. Fall on
your knees, dear conservatives, and thank God from the bottom of your
heart that you didn't put another decade on it."

Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 24, 2016 08:31 PM (61Gds)

981 #979. Cute.

But like Rubio before him, the map just keeps getting better for Cruz, doesn't it? Dream the impossible dream. And believe all the polls! They have to be right? I mean, after all, they totally nailed the primary season outcome, didn't they ....?

To beat the crypto-Donkey trump, we must adopt all the hard left tactics. You're like Carl Spangler in Caddyshack. The end game will sort of look the same, too. But, breathe easy. You can blame it on the gopher.

Posted by: tryptic at March 24, 2016 08:33 PM (gW/3H)

982 The Season of I Told You So and Recriminations will be a thing to behold.

Dystopia Max, I voted neither for McCain nor for Romney. I am prepared for the decline.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at March 24, 2016 08:38 PM (HeZ0H)

983 Wait. Trump is a no-class jerk with no conservative credentials, but after eight years of looking at pictures of Michelle Obama, and faced with the prospect of eight years of looking at pictures of Hillary, the idea of eight years of looking at pictures of Melania Trump is supposed to convince me NOT to vote for Trump?

Doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Heresolong at March 24, 2016 08:40 PM (ntIeo)

984 So when do you think Cruz will drop out?

Posted by: Sharpkeys at March 24, 2016 08:47 PM (BYA+X)

985 " I guess this is supposed to some sort of condemnation of the fact that DT is a hot headed, shoot first ask questions later kinda guy...
Considering the current state of international affairs and our country's standing in the world I am not exactly opposed to that. Better than twiddling around with our dicks/vajajays while the fight is brought to us."

Bombing Amman when the attack comes from Aleppo.

Posted by: Tyrconnell at March 24, 2016 09:15 PM (jeKFO)

986 #977

I disagree. I think we still have free speech.

Signed, self-righteous Cruz folk

Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 24, 2016 09:22 PM (7S8Q3)

987 @984
Never. What do I win?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at March 24, 2016 09:34 PM (HeZ0H)

988 He flaunts these major accomplishments to cover up the fact that he's stupid, lazy, uneducated, at least half-crazy, and ugly.

Ha ha ha, Why don't you tell us how you really feel. Ace I've been reading this site for years, I have never seen you this unhinged about anything. Just don't vote for Hillary and I'll keep reading you.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at March 24, 2016 10:47 PM (02AXE)

989 Cruz has hugged a minister who wants gays to be murdered. Cruz said that Josh Duggar wasnt as bad as what gays do to each other. Cruz wanted to be in a titty film. Cruz wanted to allow 3x the Muslims into our country. Cruz has done nothing in his political career. Cruz's mom said in an interview that she loved living so close to Teddy, because she and a couple of nannies raise his kids. His wife is an overmedicated nutbag who has already tried to kill herself. Now the story breaks that your hero has had numerous affairs, just like his daddy. Tell your hero to let us see his birth certificate. I mean he did once say he wanted Obama to go back to Kenya. Now he has his birth certificate locked away? Wow. He is a used car salesman without the ability to smile. Cruz is like some alien that works so hard to be a human but can never quite pull it off. Hes Mork without the laugh track. Cruz is running out of Evangelicals and soon will be begging for a convention. Once there, like Carrie, he will be made to realize that all the cool kids in the GOPe were just screwing with him as they push the Mormon chin up our ass.

Posted by: Rick Reynolds at March 24, 2016 10:48 PM (HA2Zz)

990 We have had McCain, Romney, Bushes, Dole, now Kasich all forced on us, but these liberals were fine. Its Trump where we finally draw the line. Hahahaha
Romney was so pro-coice he probably has a fetus in a jar on his desk. He gave us the blue prints for Obama care. He wanted gun control. He loves our immigration policy of sitting with our thumbs up our asses as they walk, dig and swim across our southern border. When good ole Mitt finally had Obama on the ropes, he walked away. Conservatives have just reminded me of Charlie Brown for years now. They keep promising not to move the football this time and we keep falling for it. Now Trump has some of you so scared and mad and I cant see why. So to you, Ms Ace, Megyn Kelly, Mark Levin, Glenn crazy as they come Beck, and all tge rest I say "Thanks".
With you all lining up behind Ted, its easy to see where we should be standing. Good Grief

Posted by: Dr Cokenbalz at March 24, 2016 11:02 PM (HA2Zz)

991 I'm voting for Trump or Cruz. Ace needs to ban himself again for a week and relax on a beach.

Posted by: skzion at March 24, 2016 11:16 PM (9C0d4)

992 (No offense intended, Ace.)

Posted by: skzion at March 24, 2016 11:17 PM (9C0d4)

993 I thought there would be no situation in which I'd vote Hillary. But there is one: if the Reps take advantage of Trump not gaining the majority of delegates and choose any other candidate but Cruz.

At that point I would vote 100% Democratic.

Posted by: skzion at March 24, 2016 11:25 PM (9C0d4)

994 866 You were awesome. I was at the Trump rally in Tucson and everything Trump said made sense to his audience; go watch the YouTube clip of it. He looked presidential to me. What are you all going on about? Cruz has said some really distasteful and disingenuous stuff in the last month (even for a politician) and I was quite disappointed by it. The 2 idiots Cruz and Kasich should have thrown in the towel by now for the betterment of the party. They are not men anymore in my eyes because of their own flawed processes - give me a break. Trump has brought more people UNDER THE TENT than anytime in the last 12 years and you all bloggers here are the most daft excuses for human beings for not realizing this missed opportunity.
The left is going to go FULL BORE on whoever might come out of a contested convention with the good 'ole "racist" "xenophobe" mantra and you'll hear some idiot appointee like Jeb out there apologizing once again (for no damn reason). And guess what ? GAME OVER you bunch of mommas boys groping around in here!

You ought to get out of this silly website and go listen to ET Williams aka "The Dr. of Common Sense" on You Tube. You ought to be giving some consideration to Diamond and Silk, who have made every effort to steer clear of the stigma of being black and then outwardly promoting Republican values. I am ashamed of the Republican Party in ways I could have never dreamed of before. But its ok I put my money where my mouth is and I left this stinkin party back in 2006 (Amnesty fella 'member?)

And, it is OK, for me and my 2 young children because they are dual citizens of the US and Japan for right now. I will send them there to live because it looks like I will have to with this useless bunch of keyboard commandos who can't tell their candidates to drop out so the front runner can win. Oh and BTW you Nevertrump go piss up a rope.

Posted by: Kyle P at March 25, 2016 01:55 AM (JGmJY)

995 "The Season of I Told You So and Recriminations will be a thing to behold.

Dystopia Max, I voted neither for McCain nor for Romney. I am prepared for the decline."

You speak of this as though surviving a decline is an individual event, or one done best by individuals. If so, who are you going to recriminate to specifically?

Posted by: Dystopia Max at March 25, 2016 02:09 AM (61Gds)

996 LYING TED, STOP FAKING IT. YOUR CAMPAIGN STARTED THE ATTACK TO MELANIA.

Proof? Here! See around 4:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALErcfr7jQ0&feature=youtu.be

Neil Bush and Andrea McWilliams cannot deny it.

Tell it to your loving TEdwards! #CruzSexScandal

Posted by: TedHasASexScandal5Actually at March 25, 2016 02:40 AM (UVMVu)

997 #996

Cruz supporter Andrea McWilliams: (4:15)

"We should start looking at the First Lady Candidates..."

Posted by: zzBottom at March 25, 2016 05:39 AM (aHUpC)

998 Ace your meltdown the other day confirmed that you are a thin skinned pussy who can dish it out but can take valid criticism.

Trump threatens you because he has actual accomplishments where as you just talk. You're a pathetic little woman, Ace.

Posted by: Really at March 25, 2016 06:32 AM (DEJix)

999 "he's stupid, lazy, uneducated, at least half-crazy, and ugly."

Projecting much? But seriously, Ace needs to get laid, this is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: Yngvar at March 25, 2016 08:14 AM (bDKvH)

1000 Cruz directly repeats dialogue that Michael Douglas used in American President to tell Trump to keep his wife out of the Campaign. That was lame and an amateur move. Cruz Supporter Andrea McWilliams announced that they're going to start bringing the "first lady candidates" into the campaign Conversation.. But Ted Cruz will deny this, like a true politician. And I could care less, I Will still vote for him over Hillary or any Democrat.

Trump will throw bombs in retaliation and he'll tell you he's going to throw bombs and is proud to throw the Bombs. He won't deny it Or have surrogates do the operation like so many politicians. He owns it and has no qualms about owning it. And I will have no problem voting for him over Hillary or any other Democrat.

For anyone to deny that Cruz doesn't have shit on his hands and is above The Fray is a liar and a pussy for denying it.

To attack Trump for being stupid, crazy, ugly and divisive For not putting up with political bullshit without holding Cruz to the same standard is a liar and a pussy.

And to even entertain voting for Hillary over the Republican nominee because either nominee is successfully being Countered for slinging political bullshit, is a liar and pussy of The highest order.

Everyone here knows that politics leaves a big shit stain on everyone. To get all pissy about it and say you're going to vote for the enemy is just unconscionable.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 25, 2016 08:47 AM (b+yVi)

1001 Cruz had his supporters got the GOPe War on Women down. Worse than that though is Cruz infidelity. National Enquirer has story about his affairs. America hates nothing more than a holier than thou transgressor!

Posted by: Kim at March 25, 2016 08:47 AM (YAjjl)

1002 Great post Ace. Still a lot of culty homoerotic man love for Trump from commentors at this site. They relate to Trump's small dick. Given the choice between Melania and Trump, most of them would bang Donald. Sad but true. Fags.

Posted by: thewhitefrog at March 25, 2016 08:48 AM (xTl+M)

1003 It's partisan silly season. When things calm down, Ace, you might regret a little how far you've gone in some of your pronouncements.

Some of your opponents won't, because for them its always partisan silly season.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 25, 2016 09:43 AM (JS6HU)

1004 Ace should post at Patterico's and vice versa.

That would be da bomb!

Posted by: G6loq at March 25, 2016 10:32 AM (zj+JZ)

1005 Ace your meltdown the other day confirmed that you are a thin skinned pussy who can dish it out but can take valid criticism.

Trump threatens you because he has actual accomplishments where as you just talk. You're a pathetic little woman, Ace.
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Wow. I disagree with Ace on this anti-Trump campaign mostly because I see it creating or exacerbating a schism that threatens a site I very much enjoy and want to thrive. I also happen to disagree with the anti-Trump campaign but I really welcome the debate. We absolutely should properly vet our candidates and it's often helpful to have a trusted friend on the opposite side so you really listen to what they're saying. Keeping the debate more friendly on both sides helps everyone listen: angry people jump to conclusions and don't listen.

But if Ace is having to wade through steaming piles like this one all day long, it's easy to see how one might get cranky. I'm really sorry stuff like this is up here.

It's been a tough couple of weeks. Maybe a few posts about elbows would be refreshing?

Posted by: major major major major at March 25, 2016 12:09 PM (YcKif)

1006 The flaming dumpster has become an inferno.

At this point, Cruz probably can't win the general even in the increasingly likely event the delegates dump Trump, because of the ensuing Trumpertantrum.

Trump has already given the Democrats the White House, Senate, and Supreme Court for who knows how long. If he's the candidate, they'll take the House too.

Posted by: TallDave at March 25, 2016 12:11 PM (74ZYB)

1007 Oh, and the Democrats are already gleefully preparing to run the anti-Trump ads against swing district Republicans even if Trump isn't the nominee.

Because Donald is just that toxic.

Posted by: TallDave at March 25, 2016 12:12 PM (74ZYB)

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