Trump on Muslim Immigration: "I Didn't Say 'Shut It Down.' I said you have to be very careful."

“Frankly, we’re having problems with the Muslims,” he told Fox Business Network's Maria Bartiromo.

All right, fair enough.

"These attacks are not done by Swedish people. That I can tell you. We have to be smart. We have to look at the mosques and study what's going on. There is a sick problem going on."

All right, can't argue.

Trump said the incident shows why the U.S. should be wary of Middle Easterners.
"I would be extremely careful about people from the Middle East coming into our country," he said on "CBS This Morning." "We should be vigilant at our borders."
When pressed for specifics, Trump said he would want "good documentation" from travelers.

Wait a second -- you previously called for a ban on Muslim travel to the US, until "we can figure out what the hell is going on."

Now you just want to be "careful" and have "good documentation?"

...
Trump said his main focus is on better immigration surveillance, not a total shutdown.
"I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

I'm sure this is just further evidence of what a good brain Trump has, a brain that says a lot of things.

Trump's "tells you exactly what he thinks" scores will continue going up. After all, only someone who "tells you exactly what he thinks" would have such a hard time keeping a consistent line on what he actually thinks.

Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear.

Posted by: Ace at 11:43 AM

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1 Shut it down!

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 22, 2016 11:45 AM (2EDeK)

2 But don't worry guys, he's *totally* not bullshitting you about building the border wall. He's *definitely* going to do that.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 22, 2016 11:45 AM (NDVSb)

3 Fabulous.

I suppose it's better he does this now when there's a slim possibility he won't be the GOP candidate??
I got nothing.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 11:45 AM (NOIQH)

4 first politician who ever said two different things at different times.

oh, wait....

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 22, 2016 11:46 AM (5wiY1)

5 sound bites will NOT help dammit

Posted by: Katfish at March 22, 2016 11:46 AM (ponaz)

6 Seriously, you guys.

Posted by: huerfano at March 22, 2016 11:47 AM (NSb9d)

7 Here's a compromise. Under Trump, Middle Easterners will be allowed into the U.S. but will be confined to Trump casinos.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 11:47 AM (8ZskC)

8 Cannot everyone see where this is going? The asshole has nothing.

Fucking rodeo clown. The GOP has a Kardashian as its masthead.

Mr Tough Guy is a mushmouth.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 22, 2016 11:47 AM (U6f54)

9 Here's how Donald Trump has operated his whole life:

(1) You agree to do something.
(2) He agrees to do something in return.
(3) As soon as it becomes advantageous for Trump not to do #2, he explores the maximum possible options for not doing it.

So now Trump wants you to give him your vote (#1). He tells you he's going to build a border wall and keep Muslims out, among many other things (#2).

But #3? Never gonna happen. Don't worry about it. And even if he does, fuck the GOP establishment.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 22, 2016 11:47 AM (NDVSb)

10 Damn Trump, shut the it down!

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 11:47 AM (LXJ1e)

11 There must be some kind of dog whistle this guy's emitting that only a blessed plurality of voters can hear. Unfortunately, all I keep hearing is something completely different than I heard the last time I listened.

Posted by: spongeworthy at March 22, 2016 11:48 AM (mrfTe)

12 Hey! He's flexible!

And since it's Tuesday, it might be something or it might be something else, or maybe not something at all..

Just wait til tomorrow.. it's Wednesday.. and you know what Wednesday is, right? It's anything can happen day!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 22, 2016 11:49 AM (so+oy)

13 Wow more Trump bait. I am waiting to see any other politician say anything about limiting immigration in any way. Oh and I certainly don't see anyone other than Trump rushing forward to condemn islam or ISIS like Trump has. obama continues to refuse to address the muslim problem or even acknowledge it is a problem. Hillary is doing the same.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (iONHu)

14
Fucking rodeo clown. The GOP has a Kardashian as its masthead. Mr Tough Guy is a mushmouth.

So you're saying Cruz is getting whipped by a Kardashian.That says more about Cruz than it does about Trump

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (lKyWE)

15 Why are you nitpicking Ace? Let's let everyone in especially all of the Syrian refugees like Obama would prefer.

Posted by: granola gaye at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (oEq2J)

16 This post helps one man : Donald Trump, the sayer of things.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (TJCSB)

17 Here's how Donald Trump has operated his whole life:

(1) You agree to do something.
(2) He agrees to do something in return.
(3) As soon as it becomes advantageous for Trump not to do #2, he explores the maximum possible options for not doing it.
...........
When he was building Trump Tower here in Chicago, he pre-sold units over a year ahead of completion. But this was when the boom was going on.. as time progressed the value of those units went up and up.. so then, he tore up the contracts.. the pre-sell buyers were told to go fuck off.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 22, 2016 11:51 AM (so+oy)

18 Who in the party is better on excluding and/or deporting Muslims?

Why is Trump the best and only one saying anything close to protective of Americans?

I already know why. I'm asking rhetorical-like.

Posted by: Phinn at March 22, 2016 11:51 AM (fCWi3)

19 >>> I am waiting to see any other politician say anything about limiting immigration in any way.

he just changed his position to saying exactly what Hillary says -- we just need to check passports more.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 11:51 AM (dciA+)

20 >> I'm sure this is just further evidence of what a good brain Trump has, a brain that says a lot of things.

It's not a small brain. It's big. Very, very...very big. I wear an (almost) Large hat!

Posted by: garrett at March 22, 2016 11:51 AM (c84p5)

21 totally . different.

from every politician. ever.

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (HA9zO)

22 It shows me he is transitioning from the nomination fight to the general.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (cXiMR)

23 Originally he said he wanted a temporary ban. But after catching a lot of Hell from the PC elite hand wringers he started backing off on that. On one of my morning links to that event I asked the Morons WTF, the only thing that got him ANY traction he is now backing off on.

As I said over and over from day one. I do not trust Trump. He has changed parties 5 times. He will do or say anything he thinks will help Donald Trump.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (t2KH5)

24 Look trump was ORIGINALLY asked about the muslim refugee immigration for Syria and he initially responded to THAT by saying it should be shut down till they can be vetted.

Then he goes off half cocked, like he often does, and expands on it to other muslims from other countries, but but still mostly talks about suspending it till we figure out a way to vet them. And of course his syntax is terrible and all....but let's stop making him out to be Attila the Hun.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (mw8Dm)

25 ..I am waiting to see any other politician say anything about limiting immigration in any way. Oh and I certainly don't see anyone other than Trump rushing forward to condemn islam or ISIS like Trump has.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (iONHu)

Sooooo... basically you haven't looked, eh?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (RCS9o)

26 It's called "Evolving".

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (jsWA8)

27 Consistently verbally incontinent.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (zGcgE)

28

Okay. But in this case BOTH statements by Trump are okay with me and both statements are far better than any other candidate has offered.

Even if they are both lies, Ace, they are better lies that I'm hearing from anyone else.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (o2321)

29 It is always good strategy to change your number one selling point in a radical way

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (Qvgg/)

30 Carny Trump says what his audience wants to hear

Posted by: brak at March 22, 2016 11:53 AM (MJuTN)

31 I've got a good brain, a great brain really, I mean look at this fingers.

Posted by: Teh Donald at March 22, 2016 11:53 AM (9mTYi)

32 >>>It shows me he is transitioning from the nomination fight to the general.

exactly, by repudiating all the positions that won him the nomination fight

but he's, whatever. gonna make great deals.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 11:53 AM (dciA+)

33 The coming chaos will be like nothing ever seen in our lifetimes.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 22, 2016 11:53 AM (sqs5K)

34

What do you want, Ace?

What do you want to happen? What's the point?

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 11:53 AM (o2321)

35
But this was when the boom was going on.. as time progressed the value of those units went up and up.. so then, he tore up the contracts.. the pre-sell buyers were told to go fuck off.

That was probably in the pre-sale agreements which people signed

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (lKyWE)

36 "When he was building Trump Tower here in Chicago, he pre-sold units over a year ahead of completion. But this was when the boom was going on.. as time progressed the value of those units went up and up.. so then, he tore up the contracts.. the pre-sell buyers were told to go fuck off."

You mean where the JURY sided with Trump.....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (WnCSK)

37 Not denying that Trump says different things on different days. But wasn't what Trump said originally is that we need a moratorium on Muslim immigration until we can figure out how to do it properly? I don't see how this necessarily contradicts what he has said before.

Posted by: WOPR at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (LTDSy)

38 By the way the Broad on Fox earlier had a fascinating observation about the terrorists wearing a glove only one hand and there being a dead man's switch in there for the bombs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (mw8Dm)

39 Trump gives me whiplash.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (2PHKP)

40 Oh this is going to be fun

Let me get some popcorn and just watch the train wreck.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (uq1eJ)

41 One second thought Trump never said to shut immigration down totally, only shut it down for Muslims.

Not sure what the question was that he was answering. Once I know the question, I can get a better reference to the answer.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (LXJ1e)

42 Here's how Donald Trump has operated his whole life:

(1) You agree to do something.

(2) He agrees to not do that thing in your mouth.

(3) As soon as it becomes advantageous for Trump to renege on #2, he explores the maximum possible options for doing that thing in your mouth.

Better?

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (iIzG7)

43

No one died in Bengazi...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (HSmrB)

44 He tells you exactly what he thinks. He just happens to think different things a few minutes later. Then he tells you those things. Every other thing he thinks, BTW, is about how nice his hands are.

People love him for this. And his hands. His hands are big and beautiful.

Posted by: Steven S. at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (JpEvT)

45 Trump University's Civics Class has moved from The Hyatt to the Holiday Inn Express on Fifth and Main due to unforeseen circumstances regarding Credit Card fraud and rancid meat.

Posted by: PSA at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (gs8be)

46 "Even if they are both lies, Ace, they are better lies that I'm hearing from anyone else."

Don't settle for so little!

Hold out for sharp, perfect pants creases into the bargain!

Posted by: David Brooks at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (XdbLA)

47 The only reason to limit German immigration into the country is straight up germanophobia.

Posted by: Some leftist in 476 AD at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (X7E8f)

48 By the way the Broad on Fox earlier had a fascinating observation about
the terrorists wearing a glove only one hand and there being a dead
man's switch in there for the bombs.

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Michael Jackson impersonators, beware.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (Qvgg/)

49 Haha not gonna see as many Trump apologists in this thread.

They're all sitting at their keyboards trying to figure the spin on this one out.

I will say that he hopefully will learn from this one: moderating on this issue will make him look weak and contradictory, but it WON'T get him any credit for being moderate. The hitler comparisons will continue. And that's the hypocrisy on the other side.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (xuouz)

50 22 It shows me he is transitioning from the nomination fight to the general.
Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (cXiMR)

**********

He's a "Nimble Navigator"!

Posted by: Astor at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (mcm0N)

51 I am a Conservative, social conservative type. Thus, I don't support Trump, who made his fortune by exploiting addictive gambling and ruined tens of thousands of lives.

Since I don't support Trump, according to many of the Trump supporters here, I have a picture of Mitch McConnell that I pray to, I cash a check from Soros, and I worship Obama and BLM.

Trump is a moral-less, vain, dangerous person who quite literally profits off of human misery and suffering. The only candidate besides Trump who has caused as much human misery and suffering is Hillary with her destruction of Libya.

I appreciate his moving the Overton window to the right on Immigration. But his supporters bashing of Christians, constant deriding of morality, and thinking that they are the only true believers and everyone else, especially Ted Cruz supporters, sings the Internationale and prays to Lenin is very, very off-putting.

Put shortly: Would Hillary treat Mormons worse than Trump? Probably not. His supporters certainly treat them worse, along with evangelicals. And outside of immigration, he's as far left as she is. But dare to say it, and you're mobbed as a "cuckservative" and a establishment stooge.

And as we can see, no one knows what the heck trump thinks on Immigration. Why should we vote for him again, aside from his value as a bomb thrower? That's great... except that's all he does. Governing? Not much chance of a good result there, is there?

Posted by: Vanceone at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (IQzhs)

52 Sorry, but he has not changed his position. He originally said that the US should shut it down temporarily. He never said ban Muslim immigration. I think he is right. The borders are too porous. No other candidates were even addressing the issue of letting in potential terrorists until Trump did.

Posted by: brian at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (JDk/C)

53 Yo

Posted by: Yo at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (/E+t2)

54 When you're right, Ace, you're right.

People can't just modify their positions. If we allowed that, minds would be changing all the time.

Fuck, it would be chaos.

I can see why you're going to vote for Hillary. She's never tried to pull anything like this.

Fucking Trump.

Trying to be "Mr. Reasonable" now.

Well, I can tell you nobody's buying that load of turnips.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (Zs4uk)

55 39
By the way the Broad on Fox earlier had a fascinating observation about the terrorists wearing a glove only one hand

Religion of Jacko.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (zGcgE)

56 I think there is a difference between a permanent shut-down (which Trump has NEVER advocated), and a temporary shutdown (which he has advocated).

If you buy that (and I think it's entirely fair to do so), then it really isn't much of a stretch to say that a temporary shutdown is the equivalent (at least functionally - if not literally) of being very, very careful. I think it's consistent, and would not be offended if he, again, advocated a temporary shut-down until we figured out how to be very, very careful.

Sorry - don't think, intellectually, this proves anything - unless, of course, you want it to.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (aeVIR)

57 For all his narcissistic schizophrenia, he still makes more sense than anybody else.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (Nwg0u)

58 And of course his syntax is terrible and all....but let's stop making him out to be Attila the Hun.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (mw8Dm)

So it's making him out to be Attila the Hun to mention his latest statement on an issue that is completely opposed to his previous statements?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (RCS9o)

59 Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear.

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That copycat!

Posted by: Barry Obummer at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (KUaJL)

60 he's totally fucking up and still manages to be to right of everyone else. pure fucking luck I guess.

Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (nFwvY)

61 Look, just back off Trump haters. If you keep this up, I'm going to call you names, and make fun of your appearance, because I'm really smart. Really, really smart. And classy.

Posted by: Little man pulling the levers in Trump's brain. at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (9mTYi)

62 >>>>When he was building Trump Tower here in Chicago, he pre-sold units over
a year ahead of completion. But this was when the boom was going on..
as time progressed the value of those units went up and up.. so then, he
tore up the contracts.. the pre-sell buyers were told to go fuck off.
.
.
.
.I seriously doubt that even Trump has the ability to not get sued up and down by tearing up multiple signed contracts. In other words I am not buying this story.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (iONHu)

63 OK, Trump supporters who want to ban Islamic immigration entirely.

Your guy just walked that back.

"He'll let the good ones in."

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (UBBWX)

64 exactly, by repudiating all the positions that won him the nomination fight

but he's, whatever. gonna make great deals.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 11:53 AM (dciA+)

Oh man! You have to tell everyone! That way he'll lose big in Arizona, one of the most Republican states that is most concerned about border policy. Not to mention Jeff Sessions will withdraw his endorsement.

C'mon man, get on this!

Posted by: trev006 at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (MEHba)

65 If you want to Make America Great Again you need to do one thing.

Buy gold!

Posted by: William Devane at March 22, 2016 11:57 AM (LYCUN)

66 I just noticed Cruz and what he says, and how he says it since last night and this morning.

The man cannot lead so much as a rotary club. He is not sincere. He talks at you. He talks as though he feels every sentence should be gold plated and never forgotten.

He doesn't give the aurora of leadership. Honestly, and I don't mean this to be mean. He seems like the guy that my friends and I always ditched when we headed out to have fun.

He is hard to watch.

Posted by: Drider at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (bdzyz)

67 Are any of the candidates saying to stop muzzie immigration or take a look at it or anything?

Is this wishy-washy "take a look at it" the best we can hope for? Certainly on the dem side there is zero support for closing the border to muzzies. How about the remaining republicans?

Oh and how about any of those other geniuses that the GOPe wants to pull out of a hat at the convention?

Posted by: Boots at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (EBwPV)

68 Isn't it odd how destroying the economy is ok if it "just saves one life", but restricting immigration from some groups, which would have indisputably saved more then 3,000 lives, is beyond the pale?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (X7E8f)

69
By the way the Broad on Fox earlier had a fascinating observation about the terrorists wearing a glove only one hand and there being a dead man's switch in there for the bombs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (mw8Dm)

I was just gonna bring that up on the other thread. It looks like two of the three terrorists on Drudge's page are wearing one glove.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (RcpcZ)

70 We need to re-introduce the idea of a "confederation of states".

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (Fmupd)

71 ....but let's stop making him out to be Attila the Hun.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (mw8Dm)

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Yes, let's stop. Attila was sane and had a consistent plan.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (SCcgT)

72 re 43:
he offers to get the Wolman ice skating rink finished.

he finishes the rink ahead of schedule and under budget.

typical politician.

Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Bratwurst Vt at March 22, 2016 11:58 AM (qSIlh)

73 "I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful.

Um, that's actually true. Trump never said shut it down. The Uniparty bedwetters put those words in his mouth.

Attack Trump for the things he actually says, not the phoney-baloney shit The Uniparty makes up.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (r9tFS)

74
Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear.

So he's the white Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (X6fMO)

75 No other candidates were even addressing the issue of letting in potential terrorists until Trump did.
Posted by: brian at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (JDk/C)

That's not true. Lots of politicians were talking about this. The Tea Party talked about this. Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin were talking about this before Trump.

Trump got attention from this because he opened his campaign calling for a wall and calling Mexicans rapists.

Stop claiming Trump invented the wheel. He most certainly did not.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (/E+t2)

76
Is this about blowing the opportunity to nominate Ted Cruz?

Ted Cruz, for the last month, has shown you how good of a candidate he'll be, which is to say lousy. Cruz is showing you right now the campaign he'd run against Clinton.

Cruz knew for the last month he's in big trouble. Did he do anything bold or differently? No. Cruz stayed the course and just hoped people will being to turn on Trump.

At least Rubio took a risk when his back was against the wall and tried to land a few shots. Cruz is doing nothing different today than before other than repeating how slightly wrong Trump is on everything. Cruz would get walloped by Clinton because Cruz is a lousy candidate. Great guy, though. Wish he had more in the tank; but he doesn't.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (o2321)

77 re 70: they had to share one pair of gloves? See? Maybe poverty does have something to do with it.

Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Bratwurst Vt at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (qSIlh)

78 Anyone know his actual quote on 'a temporary ban on Muslims?'

I honestly don't. Like everything about Trump, I only remember the sound and fury that followed.

Would be helpful to compare what he actually said then to what he actually said now.

Posted by: CJ at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (9KqcB)

79 57 "I think there is a difference between a permanent shut-down (which Trump has NEVER advocated), and a temporary shutdown (which he has advocated)."

I'm pretty sure Trump's original position was that all Muslims should be shot when entering the country.

Didn't he even say women and children should be killed too?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it.

No changing now. That's against the rules.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (Zs4uk)

80 For all his narcissistic schizophrenia, he still makes more sense than anybody else.
Posted by: Anonosaurus
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Dammit. I can't think of a counter-argument.

Still, it's a lot easier to do that when you have no core philosophy other than populist appeal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (9mTYi)

81
Carny Trump says what his audience wants to hear

And Cruz doesn't? When Cruz says he is going to rip up the Iran deal on day one leading people to believe that sanctions will bere-imposed he is full of shit and knows it, but he lets people believe it.Cruz has no chance getting Europe,China or Russia to agree to that attheU.N.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (lKyWE)

82 50 Haha not gonna see as many Trump apologists in this thread.

They're all sitting at their keyboards trying to figure the spin on this one out.

I will say that he hopefully will learn from this one: moderating on this issue will make him look weak and contradictory, but it WON'T get him any credit for being moderate. The hitler comparisons will continue. And that's the hypocrisy on the other side.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (xuouz)

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Agree, nothing wrong with shutting it down.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (LXJ1e)

83 So it's making him out to be Attila the Hun to mention his latest statement on an issue that is completely opposed to his previous statements?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (RCS9o)

First of all I don't believe that is entirely accurate, but I was just referring to people making him out to be Attila the Hun in general. I don't support him, he makes contradictory disfunctional statements all the time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (mw8Dm)

84 So it's making him out to be Attila the Hun to mention his latest statement on an issue that is completely opposed to his previous statements?
Posted by: krakatoa at March 22, 2016 11:56 AM (RCS9o)

Please solve for all values of "completely opposed."

All we need to do is enforce the law and things will work themselves out. That's what the police are for. He's taking the position that we need a real system for vetting immigrants (and if we don't have one then we can't let them in) and not getting any credit for it.

Ace is not approaching the candidate in good faith. It's whatever angle works to attack him for the Cruz backers. I'm not mad, I feel the same way, just in the opposite direction.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (xuouz)

85
ISIS attacks Belgium and what's our response?

Attack Trump.

That's truly a rational, PhD. level response.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (RcpcZ)

86 So he's the orange and pink Marco Rubio.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (X6fMO)

Yes that's exactly right.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (xuouz)

87 In too soon for the "nuke Mecca" thread?

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (zGcgE)

88 69 Isn't it odd how destroying the economy is ok if it "just saves one life", but restricting immigration from some groups, which would have indisputably saved more then 3,000 lives, is beyond the pale?

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Not really. Liberal policies care about which group is privileged and which is oppressed. Economic produces = privileged. People requesting handouts = oppressed. American citizens = privileged. Immigrants = oppressed.

Just don't ask where everyone falls on the hierarchy when you try to put one oppressed group up against one another.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (KUaJL)

89 "Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear."

Wow, unique, no politician has ever done that before.

Posted by: real joe, Cruz supporter who doesn't hate Trump at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (FdTDf)

90 "I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

I don't see how that's inconsistent with previous statements. I never heard him say "no foreigners ever again!!!"

But even so, the same people that want to stone him in the public square for being too strident now get even more angry if he shows 1% less stubborness.

His basic positions on immigration have remained the same, he's the only one that has said we need to drastically change things.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (7e1qS)

91 ISIS attacks Belgium and what's our response?

Attack Trump.

That's truly a rational, PhD. level response.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (RcpcZ)

Sigh...get used to it. Better buy better seat belts for the wild ride a coming

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (mw8Dm)

92 I am a Conservative, social conservative type. Thus, I don't support Trump, who made his fortune by exploiting addictive gambling and ruined tens of thousands of lives.

How very paternalistic of you.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (8ZskC)

93 "I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

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This is NOT inconsistent with keep the Muzzies out.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (Nwg0u)

94 DRAFT IOWAHAWK FOR PRESIDENT 2016!

Posted by: Billy Mitchell's House of Chrome at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (XdbLA)

95 Obama is an idealogue leftist who lies to obfuscate his agenda. To those who are hoping Trump is the conservative doppleganger, what are you basing it on? Obama's entire life has been steeped in leftism. Can you say the same about Trump and conservatism?

Posted by: Matty at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (+ULpH)

96 14
Fucking rodeo clown. The GOP has a Kardashian as its masthead. Mr Tough Guy is a mushmouth.

So you're saying Cruz is getting whipped by a Kardashian.That says more about Cruz than it does about Trump
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (lKyWE)

It says more about us than it does either of them.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (5hYhZ)

97 ISIS attacks Belgium and what's our response?

Attack Trump.
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I was going to play golf, but I think that better. Well...I'm still going to play golf...but you guys get all weewee'd up and go after him.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (X7E8f)

98 On trade, immigration, and Muslim immigration, the basic divide is:

Trump: Ban it all (except the good parts)

Others: Allow it all (except the bad parts)

As a matter of pure logic these positions could well be identical. But to me the framing matters. Trump is establishing a presumption that works in favor of Americans: if you can't show how a person or policy benefits America, it doesn't come in.

This is opposed to the borderless presumption that unless we can prove that a particular person is evil, they get to come here.

Obviously if you don't trust Trump then he has just found a new and innovative way to lie to people. Which, hey, at least it's different from how the GOP has been lying to us for the last twenty years or so.

Posted by: Jake (irregular) at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (3Hz7K)

99 Attack Trump.
That's truly a rational, PhD. level response.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (RcpcZ)

More grist for the outrage mill.
More meat for the political grinder.

I agree it's unbecoming but we're really just sitting here fiddling our dicks and hoping the Europeans can sort this out before we have to come fix it for them.

Who wants to take a deep breath and hold it?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (xuouz)

100 He needs the same programmers as I, Rubiot, and repeat verbatim his policy statements or positions lest his subsequent statements--however casual or vague--be trumpeted (no pun intended) as a reversal, backtracking, contradiction, evidence of lack of conviction/sincerity/honesty etc.

Sheesh.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (g1MTt)

101 I'm pretty sure Trump's original position was that all Muslims should be shot when entering the country.

Didn't he even say women and children should be killed too?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it.

No changing now. That's against the rules.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2016 12:00 PM (Zs4uk)

Wait.... I though we were supposed to rip off their arms and beat them to death with them...

did I miss an update to the manual???

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (RK8AH)

102 Haha not gonna see as many Trump apologists in this thread.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 11:55 AM (xuouz)
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Not going to see many Trump anything anymore. People are sick of being insulted and threatened.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (iQIUe)

103 Ace, I don't care for Trump and know he'd be at best a very disappointing RINO as president. But you really ought to know better than to think if only you post enough stuff showing him contradicting himself and being a jackwagon that's going to somehow slow him down.

People aren't voting for Donald Trump because they think he's got the best policies or is so consistent. They're voting for him because he's a huge raging F U to the system, both political parties, political correctness, and spineless trash in power.

I will say this though: his main central pillar is immigration though, so he needs to be careful backtracking too much on that. If he gets weak on the wall, that will cost him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (39g3+)

104 Katshit wants a coalition also?

Again:

Coalition = Surrender

LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (mw8Dm)

105 When pressed for specifics, Trump said he would want "good documentation" from travelers.

Since most of these Muslims do not have documentation, good or bad, they can stay home.

Posted by: GamecockJerry at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (2jSq/)

106
The EU just released a statement that this only strengthens their resolve to defend European values against those of hate and intolerance. Wishy washy statements are the only way to prevent more terrorist attacks!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (493sH)

107 95 DRAFT IOWAHAWK FOR PRESIDENT 2016!
Posted by: Billy Mitchell's House of Chrome at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (XdbLA)

******

Iowahawk didn't vote --in Texas--let that soak in.

Posted by: Astor at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (mcm0N)

108 From 12/7/15 on Trump's website:

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

So what he said now isn't really out of range of what he said before. Ace is just hoping something sticks here.

Posted by: WOPR at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (LTDSy)

109 Trump says "shut down Muslim immigration"

Trumpbots: AWESOME! He's standing up to political correctness! He is finally saying something sensible!

Trump says "I never said shut down Muslim immigration, we should just be vigilant at the border"

Trumpbots: AWESOME! He is already pivoting to the general!

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (+Fl7e)

110 Carny Trump says what his audience wants to hear

And Cruz doesn't? When Cruz says he is going to rip up the Iran deal on day one leading people to believe that sanctions will bere-imposed he is full of shit and knows it, but he lets people believe it.Cruz has no chance getting Europe,China or Russia to agree to that attheU.N.
Posted by: flawless male logic

And don't forget Cruz's boob bait like shutting down the IRS.

If you believe there's no longer going to be a government enforcement agency for tax collection, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (7e1qS)

111 Obama's entire life has been steeped in leftism. Can you say the same about Trump and conservatism?
Posted by: Matty at March 22, 2016 12:02 PM (+ULpH)

Trump's life has been steeped in capitalism and the moron lifestyle, but gilded.

Yeah I'll take him over a fucking lawyer of ANY color, every day of the week, and twice on rapey tuesday.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (xuouz)

112 Going to be a lot of people assuming hideously contorted positions before this election is over.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at March 22, 2016 12:04 PM (QX0Xt)

113 .I seriously doubt that even Trump has the ability to not get sued up and down by tearing up multiple signed contracts. In other words I am not buying this story.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
...............

http://tinyurl.com/jeluop8

Back in 2003, when Trump was planning his residential tower, he gave about 40 insiders an attractive deal: They could sign contracts to buy condominiums in the Trump International Hotel & Tower at a 10 percent discount. In addition, the "friends and family" program allowed the special class of buyers to put down a smaller deposit than other purchasers and to sell their units before the tower opened.

Last summer, as other Trump condos sold for higher prices, the developer began notifying the special class of buyers that their deals had been canceled.

Oh.. and eff you...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (so+oy)

114 Coalition is like Congress getting a group together to study an issue. LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (mw8Dm)

115 ISIS attacks Belgium and what's our response?

Attack Trump.

That's truly a rational, PhD. level response.
Posted by: Ed Anger
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Fasten your seatbelts. Any topic will be spun into a reflection of the election/candidates, at least on the conservative side. The Left are just busy planning the next domestic disruption... and laughing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (9mTYi)

116 First, he rips that poor woman's arm off - on camera.

Then he tries to soften a position.

Is there no way to stop this man!

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (Zs4uk)

117 How will Trump make the documentary vetting process more careful than it is now?

Specifics, please Mr. Trump.

I bet he'd come up with stuff we are already doing, and oh, the bureaucracy does poorly at it, and there is no reason to think Trump will reform that.

Trump is a big ideas guy, not a details guy - we know that because he can't be bothered to know any details about his policies even for debates.

Nothing wrong with that - but it does suggest that his new idea to just be more careful may not be possible.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (UBBWX)

118 Ace,

Dude, what happened? You're almost in Beck-ville vis a vis Trump.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (0LHZx)

119 And I actually agree with Trump's current position. I'm still not going to vote for him, because his flip-flopping means he is completely unreliable.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (+Fl7e)

120
In too soon for the "nuke Mecca" thread?

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (zGcgE)

It must be preceded by "glass parking lot."

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (RcpcZ)

121 Sigh. The Democrats have showed up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:06 PM (mw8Dm)

122 I don't see Trump as switching positions. He's said that immigration should be shut down until we figure how to find out who a person is wanting to come in. I don't like it. I think we should ban muzzies permanently.

But he really hasn't changed his position.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:06 PM (Fmupd)

123 Dude, what happened? You're almost in Beck-ville vis a vis Trump.
***
Hmm, are we going to see buy gold ads with an ewok spokesman?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 22, 2016 12:06 PM (X7E8f)

124
Um, that's actually true. Trump never said shut it down. The Uniparty bedwetters put those words in his mouth.

Attack Trump for the things he actually says, not the phoney-baloney shit The Uniparty makes up.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (r9tFS)

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Don't be stupid, Trump's own campaign website says, "DJT is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the USA."

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:06 PM (LXJ1e)

125 The reason we are attacking Trump is because we think he is not the man for the job.

Think of us as taking away your car keys after you've had 12 jager bombs.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:06 PM (UBBWX)

126 Beyond his shameless pandering, and natural NYC liberalism, I wonder if he really is drifting into dementia and just can't remember what he said before.

Posted by: calbadegr at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (rKRC9)

127 Going to be a lot of people assuming hideously contorted positions before this election is over.
Posted by: joncelli,
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Time to roll out a moderate to save the day...

*shoves Kasich onto the stage *

Posted by: GOPe at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (9mTYi)

128 Also, from RCP, Trump -10, Cruz -1, and Kasich +5 vs Clinton. If we are going by who can beat Clinton, then Kasich should be Ace's guy since he is shooting for a brokered convention. Cruz is going to get crushed by the press if he gets the nomination.

Posted by: WOPR at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (LTDSy)

129 On trade, immigration, and Muslim immigration, the basic divide is:

Trump: Ban it all (except the good parts)

Others: Allow it all (except the bad parts)
____________

That's actually a decent run down.

The fact that Trump starts the negotiation at an extreme point just doesn't bother me.

At least he is working towards a solution that is better than when it started.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (7e1qS)

130 Trump turned me into a Newt!

Posted by: Brian at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (iONHu)

131 On a side note. If Cruz doesn't win Utah by 50% or more of the vote then he is in serious trouble. Major fail.

Posted by: Drider at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (bdzyz)

132 So which candidate will close the borders?
If it isn't Trump then who is it?
Cruz was handing out teddy bears to welcome illegasl here with Beck (who is nuts).

Posted by: scorecard at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (Bbcs8)

133
Carny Trump says what his audience wants to hear

Yes, because staunch conservative Ted Cruz is totes going to prosecute Scankles. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (X6fMO)

134 It's interesting that Trump h8ers always demand details from Trump. How many of you ever demand details from anyone else? If Canada Ted says something like we need to fight ISIS, you all wet your pants with glee. Trump says we need to do X, it's all "bbbbbut bbbbbut where are the details?".

Prezzies don't do details. They give orders to underlings who then do the details. Much like a CEO does.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (0LHZx)

135 When I said this was the first time I've ever been proud of my country I didn't really mean it was the first time I've ever been proud of my country.

Totes.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (LYCUN)

136 "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (UBBWX)

137 One of Trumpbart's Divisions has landed at Ace. Prepare for spin, followed by denial, and finally out-right rejection of reality.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (esqHz)

138 "When he was building Trump Tower here in Chicago, he pre-sold units over a year ahead of completion. But this was when the boom was going on.. as time progressed the value of those units went up and up.. so then, he tore up the contracts.. the pre-sell buyers were told to go fuck off."

You mean where the JURY sided with Trump.....Skeezix

Juries are never wrong.

Posted by: O.J. Simpson at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (1JqUE)

139 Maybe Canada Ted's dad can conjure up the spirits and take down ISIS. Yeah that's the ticket.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (0LHZx)

140 "Also, from RCP, Trump -10, Cruz -1, and Kasich +5 vs Clinton. Cruz is going to get crushed by the press if he gets the nomination"

+1

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (WnCSK)

141 On a side note. If Cruz doesn't win Utah by 50% or more of the vote then he is in serious trouble. Major fail.
Posted by: Drider at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (bdzyz)

And you might be able to blame Katshit for that..let's see how the numbers fall

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (mw8Dm)

142 Your last paragraph - why I've pretty much resigned myself to staying home on November 8th and getting completely liquored up.
Best outcome I can see at the moment is acute alcohol poisioning and don't wake up.

Posted by: mov at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (kUmUV)

143
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (xuouz)

I should have put "/s" after the "white Marco Rubio" comment. It wasn't a slam at Trump.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (X6fMO)

144 I will say this though: his main central pillar is immigration though, so he needs to be careful backtracking too much on that. If he gets weak on the wall, that will cost him.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:03 PM (39g3+)

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Yes. There really is no reason for him to move one iota from his staked positions, now or in the general election.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (LXJ1e)

145 Kenja Time...

Must. Defend. Messiah. At. All. Costs!!!!

Posted by: WVinMN at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (esqHz)

146 Make them step on a Koran when they get off the plane.
Maybe change their names to George....

Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (8QGte)

147
And don't forget Cruz's boob bait like shutting down the IRS.

Yeah thats another of his laughable promises

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (lKyWE)

148
Please solve for all values of "completely opposed."

Really? Really, you are in the camp that everything he says is consistent with everything he previously said?

Is that your honest position?

"He's taking the position..." Soooo... he's (this time) taking the position that Conservatives have been calling for for decades? That's new & bold?

What "good faith approach" would you suggest to Ace and others who have a problem with candidates who seem to be constantly changing their campaign promises on a day-by-day basis?

The same "good faith" we have given to RINO candidates for decades?

Yeah, sorry, I'm fresh out of that. My "good faith" approach is simple: Does your history support your latest sound bite?

Posted by: krakatoa at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (RCS9o)

149 Beyond his shameless pandering, and natural NYC liberalism, I wonder if he really is drifting into dementia and just can't remember what he said before.
Posted by: calbadegr
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The absence of a constraining core philosophy makes it easy to stumble about spouting whatever seems right at that moment.

Posted by: GOPe at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (9mTYi)

150
Oh, I see, you're saving us from making a big mistake.

Okay, great.
So give us a better alternative.

It's March 22nd. We need to prevent hillary clinton from winning in just 7 months. What do we do?

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (o2321)

151 "Juries are never wrong. "

Sorry...guess they should have asked you to make the final decision. I am sure you would have been impartial. But more conspiracy to fit your narrative.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (WnCSK)

152 Ace,
Who then would be a reasonable candidate?
Cruz won't fight, won't get any of the LIVs.
The mailman's son? The one with only one state win? Guaranteed loss.

Someone who is nominated just by a brokered convention? Guaranteed loss. The attack ads write themselves.

As my boss would say: "Don't give me the problem, give me the solution." Do we just buckle down and brace for Hillary? Hold our noses like the past few election cycles?

I guess I'm just seeing a lot of doom and gloom but nothing constructive.

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (0e/Wy)

153 "Also, from RCP, Trump -10, Cruz -1, and Kasich +5 vs Clinton. Cruz is going to get crushed by the press if he gets the nomination"

Not to worry. Impossibilities don't happen in politics.

Posted by: Drider at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (bdzyz)

154 Trump: Ban it all (except the good parts)

Others: Allow it all (except the bad parts)

That is a false choice.

How about:

Be selective in whom you enter in, and use *rational, enforceable tests* that serve the interests of America in deciding whom you allow in.

"Ban all the Muslims because 9/11" is neither rational nor enforceable

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (+Fl7e)

155 "When he was building Trump Tower here in Chicago, he pre-sold units over a year ahead of completion. But this was when the boom was going on.. as time progressed the value of those units went up and up.. so then, he tore up the contracts.. the pre-sell buyers were told to go fuck off."

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Did he "tear up the contracts" or "enforce the contract". As anyone who has ever dealt with real estate knows, these contracts are 100 pages. If these amateur investors didn't read the fine print, that's their problem, not Trump's.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (0LHZx)

156 .I seriously doubt that even Trump has the ability to not get sued up and down by tearing up multiple signed contracts.

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Back in law school, a contracts professor who was big into the Chicago school of economics told us that one of the purposes of contract law was to encourage breach of contract when economically advantageous to do so.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (Nwg0u)

157 "The absence of a constraining core philosophy"

And the GOP has had one the last 30 years?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:11 PM (WnCSK)

158 Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear.

Hmmm...maybe he is one of us!

Posted by: GOPe at March 22, 2016 12:11 PM (NF2Bf)

159 So you'd prefer the BoB in the WH?

Nope, I won't currently vote for any of them, with the exception of Cruz.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:11 PM (+Fl7e)

160 157 "Also, from RCP, Trump -10, Cruz -1, and Kasich +5 vs Clinton. Cruz is going to get crushed by the press if he gets the nomination"

Not to worry. Impossibilities don't happen in politics.
Posted by: Drider at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (bdzyz)

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Kasich +5? Sure thing. 90% of the country has no idea who he is, but they'll vote for him. Yeah makes sense.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (0LHZx)

161 It's interesting that Trump h8ers always demand details from Trump. How many of you ever demand details from anyone else? If Canada Ted says something like we need to fight ISIS, you all wet your pants with glee. Trump says we need to do X, it's all "bbbbbut bbbbbut where are the details?".

Prezzies don't do details. They give orders to underlings who then do the details. Much like a CEO does.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:08 PM (0LHZx)

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I don't get the "he's not detailed enough in policy" arguments. Elections are not won on detailed policy arguments.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (LXJ1e)

162 "And of course his syntax is terrible and all....but let's stop making him out to be Attila the Hun."

I was thinking he was more of an unelectable Flaming Clown Boner who talks out of both sides of his mouth and changes his mind at the drop of a hat.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (KF8B+)

163 So Trump outright contradicts himself and some of his supporters don't care.
Those same people turn around and point out how Ted has contradicted himself and say that is a reason not to vote for him. Unreal.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (1JqUE)

164 So... Still not liking this Trump fellow eh?

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (m40v5)

165 Has anyone noticed the total lack of coverage of today's primary by the news media?

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (Fmupd)

166 Man.. I don't have as much time lately to hang out here, but I am really surprised there are so many Trump apologists around here.. He can do no wrong.. he changes positions daily, but somehow you guys can contorts those opposite utterances into being EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION!!!

Unbelievable...

Here's what I am hoping.. Trump doesn't make 1237 and the RNC tells him to go fuck off in Cleveland.. then all you butthurt Trump supporters can go riot for all I care..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (so+oy)

167 I shall now tell you my opinion on Trump, because everyone on each side is so persuadable and open to reason.

Or I will whine about not being able to figure out who an actress is. I downloaded a clip of Olivia Wilde taking her kit off in a new show called Vinyl. There's a woman in the scene who looks exactly like Billie Piper, but the credits and IMDB deny that it's her.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (1xUj/)

168 So you'd prefer the BoB in the WH?

That's good to know.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2016 12:09 PM (LUgeY)

____

An over priced stroller is running?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

169 [Attempt to put one foot behind head while standing on other foot]

Posted by: Trumpsters at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (QX0Xt)

170 Ace,
Dude, what happened? You're almost in Beck-ville vis a vis Trump.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM (0LHZx)

He's not looking forward to being forced to defend the man and wants Cruz. I don't blame him. On the merits he's 100% correct. We're supposed to be better than this. And Trump's little minions are hardening him still further.

It comes down to two things:
1. the simple binary choice between scrapping our political orthodoxies or carrying on with the political ecosystem we have.
2. the reality of having to win over the contemporary American electorate, which will require facing the apathetic, self-absorbed, lotus-eating depths to which we have fallen.

For me, personally, and despite warning signs like this post (which I don't believe to be wrong in any way, just overblown):
1. advantage Trump
2. advantage Trump

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (xuouz)

171 "Kasich +5? Sure thing. 90% of the country has no idea who he is, but they'll vote for him. Yeah makes sense."

It has to...because *polls* are never wrong.

So we are all in for Kasich right? I mean he is the only one who has a chance to beat Hillary.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (WnCSK)

172 Someone call for me?

Posted by: Flaming Clown Boner at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (1JqUE)

173 "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"
Posted by: Harun

The quote Ace is referencing

"Trump said his main focus is on better immigration surveillance, not a total shutdown.

"I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

There are people that enter from the Middle East that aren't Muslims.

Also, not everyone that comes here is asking to live here as an immigrant, some are here merely for say a business meeting etc.

I never though Trump meant a Muslim could never step foot in America again, I saw his stance as we aren't going to admit large swaths of Muslims to live in the US anymore.

if it's a contradiction, fine, but we weren't even at this stage of the negotiation before Trump.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (7e1qS)

174 my local news said cruz offered the vp slot to mario, but he turned it down and hasn't endorsed anyone.

grain of sand.

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (ceWrl)

175 @22 "It shows me he is transitioning from the nomination fight to the general."

Yes, and at the same time:

@53 "Sorry, but he has not changed his position. He originally said that the US should shut it down temporarily. He never said ban Muslim immigration. I think he is right. The borders are too porous. No other candidates were even addressing the issue of letting in potential terrorists until Trump did."

But he's skipping past the "shut it down" phase, and focusing attention on the vetting. When he says "I didn't say shut it down" it means "I didn't say shut it down PERMANENTLY." And the "good documentation" is the "Figure out what the hell is going on" phase. So apparently, he's figured out what the hell is going on - he's quick! Real quick... So hmmm.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (/q6+P)

176 170 Has anyone noticed the total lack of coverage of today's primary by the news media?

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (Fmupd)

We've got polls. Why would we need to look at the actual voting?

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (Zs4uk)

177 I was thinking he was more of an unelectable Flaming Clown Boner who talks out of both sides of his mouth and changes his mind at the drop of a hat.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (KF8B+)

Yeah I saw that definition in the Dictionary under "Politician"

So that makes so much different from whom?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (mw8Dm)

178 When pressed for specifics, Trump said he would want "good documentation" from travelers.

I just listened to the whole 11:47 interview and it is bullshit to claim that he said this about muzzies. he was talking about ALL people coming in and the need to do away with the no-visa requirements.

"I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

I have to admit that I didn't hear this. I heard them talk about his no muzzie immigration policy but I must have missed this part. Can anyone tell me the time at which this was said. All I heard was Trump standing up for everything he had said and saying that we need to do away with the no-visa policy, in general.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (zc3Db)

179 "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"

Exact words.

Now:

"I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

Okay, Trump supporters.

Asks for shutdown, now says he didn't say shutdown.

and this guy has the gall to call people Lyin'.

Maybe it takes one to know one.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (UBBWX)

180 "Ban all the Muslims because 9/11" is neither rational nor enforceable

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (+Fl7e)

Hmm. Threadja vu.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (8ZskC)

181 So Trump outright contradicts himself and some of his supporters don't care.
Those same people turn around and point out how Ted has contradicted himself and say that is a reason not to vote for him. Unreal.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (1JqUE)

We have positions in search of supporting arguments. Some of us rationalize them more convincingly than others.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:14 PM (xuouz)

182 . Cruz is going to get crushed by the press if he gets the nomination

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Right. Cruz is now a weapon against Trump in service to Hill. If nominated, the media will find more better weapons to use against Cruz in service to Hill.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 12:14 PM (Nwg0u)

183
Be selective in whom you enter in, and use *rational, enforceable tests* that serve the interests of America in deciding whom you allow in.

"Ban all the Muslims because 9/11" is neither rational nor enforceable
Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (+Fl7e)

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I agree, but until he get there, let's ban all the Muslims.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:14 PM (LXJ1e)

184 Trump lies just like Bush did!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (WwHhs)

185 "The absence of a constraining core philosophy"

And the GOP has had one the last 30 years?
Posted by: Skeezix
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We're speaking of individuals. You know, character, integrity, history, things like that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (9mTYi)

186 "Has anyone noticed the total lack of coverage of today's primary by the news media?"

Trump will lose Utah, so its not exciting enough to cover.

Actually the real reason is polling stops at like 10 pm in Arizona and 1 am in Utah so no results until tomorrow.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (UBBWX)

187 he's going for the chemjeff vote!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (ioqGj)

188 The thing is, trump has been talking about border security for over 5 years. If he's trying to make it a little more pallatable for the general, that's fine.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (/q6+P)

189 I don't get the "he's not detailed enough in policy" arguments. Elections are not won on detailed policy arguments.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (LXJ1e)

___

Romney had a 500 page white paper on his tax policy. Obama had "Hope and Change".

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

190 It's not a complete absence of consistency or truthfulness. It's integrative complexity*. Yeah, that's it.

*how many of us remember that golden oldie?

Posted by: pep at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (3e8zv)

191 I think the fix is in for Utah. I bet Kasich wins 50% because that is what the money/power in Utah wants. This bombing screws up the narrative that was being put together to explain a Kasich victory but I think they try to tough it through anyway. Too much money and power involved.

Posted by: scorecard at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (j2xmV)

192
BoB???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 22, 2016 12:16 PM (8XRCm)

193 Merging feminist postcolonial science studies and feminist political terrorism, the feminist terroristic framework generates robust analysis of gender, power, and epistemologies in dynamic social-terroristic systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable science and human-bomb interactions.

Posted by: Daesh at March 22, 2016 12:16 PM (e8kgV)

194 Actually the real reason is polling stops at like 10 pm in Arizona and 1 am in Utah so no results until tomorrow.
Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:15 PM (UBBWX)

____

LOL, I love the east coast. I really do.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:16 PM (0LHZx)

195 There are a lot of people on that previous thread who are attacking Ace personally. That is not criticism of an opinion, it's being an asshole.

Ace you need to break out the ban hammer again. This happens every election cycle.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 12:16 PM (t2KH5)

196 fuckin politicians...how do they work?

Posted by: insane burning clown boner posse at March 22, 2016 12:16 PM (HA9zO)

197 I saw Flaming Clown Boner open for Madonna at the Centrum in '97.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 12:16 PM (X6fMO)

198 They'd probably be talking more about those primary races if there wasn't a terrorist attack to talk about instead.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (/q6+P)

199 I just listened to the whole 11:47 interview and it is bullshit to claim that he said this about muzzies. he was talking about ALL people coming in and the need to do away with the no-visa requirements.

"I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

I have to admit that I didn't hear this. I heard them talk about his no muzzie immigration policy but I must have missed this part. Can anyone tell me the time at which this was said. All I heard was Trump standing up for everything he had said and saying that we need to do away with the no-visa policy, in general.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:13 PM (zc3Db)

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My experience has been that "did you just hear what Trump said" when slamming him is about 90% false as to the particulars (context, etc.).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (LXJ1e)

200 Oh right, because candidates never "move to the center" for the general election...

Posted by: Dr. Brundle at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (ka/xO)

201 75
Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear.

So he's the white Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 11:59 AM (X6fMO)
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Um, no.
Marco Rubio is the white Marco Rubio.

Perhaps you meant "Anglo" or "blue-eyed?"
(I was going to say "blond" but I'm not sure what that hair color is. I'd have to check the label on the bottle.)

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (T/5A0)

202
From what I understand, Trump goes from agreeing with me to really really agreeing with me.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (o2321)

203 It shows me he is transitioning from the nomination fight to the general.

exactly, by repudiating all the positions that won him the nomination fight

but he's, whatever. gonna make great deals.
Posted by: ace

Which is what every President since Washington has done.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (cXiMR)

204 a lot of newbies posting in here since ace added cobloggers

Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 12:17 PM (nFwvY)

205 The thing that makes me so angry about all the Trump support is how badly he will lose in the general election.

He is not talking about those polls that matter the most, and neither are his supporters.

He cannot get to 50 percent of Republican primary voters. His negatives are through the roof. He will cave into a mindless babble of how mean everyone is when Team Clinton gets its oppo going. He will look like a fool in the debates, if he even agrees to a second one with her, after he gets creamed in the first.

Electoral college landslide.

It is just so fucking awful. And the Trumpists don't see it coming.

We'll get Clinton for eight and Warren for a second eight, then Chelsea for a third.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (U6f54)

206 In 2-3 weeks, this terrorist attack today will be forgotten.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (Fmupd)

207 Trump is going to win the general election.

All the analysts and pundits endlessly make the same mistake, which is to assume that there will be no outside events to affect the race.

The analysis always goes, essentially, "Assuming everything in the world remains as it is now, Trump will lose."

But things don't stay the same. News events occur. News events like today's terror attack.

What just happened in Brussels validated much of what Trump has been saying, or at least what he has been blamed for saying. Today, a significant portion of the "undecided" population who hadn't been considering voting for Trump suddenly woke from their stupor and said to themselves, "Day-umm, he was right about them Muslims and terrorism."

And guess what? More and more and more news events will occur throughout the year. Leftists will misbehave. Muslims will misbehave. The economy will misbehave. The MSM can only spin things so far.

In fact, Muslims and leftists seek out high-profile times to misbehave. The will be violent protests and terror attacks in October, I guarantee it. And each time, more voters will switch to Trump.

Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (jBuUi)

208 Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican
audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of
claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing
what they want to hear.
==============

Or he could be saying that with the hope that he can keep Cruz under 50% in Utah.

He's a politician.

Posted by: mrp at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (JBggj)

209 I'm not yet even a registered voter in my new state. Not sure if I will become one. So, I'm looking at all things from outside. Seeing how much parsing and snipping of Trump comments is, to me, a Saturday Matinee. He's saying everything that has been discussed on this blog for years. Is he eloquent? No. Is he prescient? Eh, maybe. Is he saying ineloquently yet presciently what has been discussed here? Yes.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (pAkLs)

210 @201 Vic, I hope what I said wasn't considered an attack. I am just looking for clarification and a solution.

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (0e/Wy)

211 So if a Republican nominee campaigns on cutting spending by a trillion dollars and ends up only cutting $800 billion from the budget, is he a lying piece of shit that we should no longer support?

Or is that simply how politics and all deal making works?

Has nobody here ever bought a car? Same principle. Offer a really low price to get the guy to come down on his price.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (7e1qS)

212 Dammit, what a wussy Trump is for walking back his muslim ban. Guess he's not as forthcoming as we hoped.

Posted by: Draki at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (0eidE)

213 In too soon for the "nuke Mecca" thread?
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 12:01 PM (zGcgE)
It must be preceded by "glass parking lot."

Trinitite souvenir stand.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (4WhSY)

214 Timing is everything:

Kerry Meets Colombian Marxists, Obama Greets Cuban Communists

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (A/3fN)

215 Weasel-pate opines

Reality drifts away.

More nudes of wife, please.

Posted by: Haikuman at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (QX0Xt)

216 "210 The thing that makes me so angry about all the Trump support is how badly he will lose in the general election.

He is not talking about those polls that matter the most, and neither are his supporters.

He cannot get to 50 percent of Republican primary voters. His negatives are through the roof. He will cave into a mindless babble of how mean everyone is when Team Clinton gets its oppo going. He will look like a fool in the debates, if he even agrees to a second one with her, after he gets creamed in the first.

Electoral college landslide.

It is just so fucking awful. And the Trumpists don't see it coming. "

This tired argument again??? What a psychic!

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (WnCSK)

217 tRUMP has been saying" we've got to study the issue to figure out what's going on " for some time now. I wondered what his research has uncovered?

Posted by: taylork at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (Mc50e)

218 When Hot Air imploded did the writers migrate here as well as the commentators? The anti-Trump vibe here is as bad if not worse than HA. Is Erik Erickson guest blogging this wee?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (0LHZx)

219 Afternoon, horde!

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (WBahS)

220 This is the most blatantly Trump has outright contradicted himself so it should be interesting to see how it plays out. Will he get it to work? How far can he go with just blowing off his primary campaign and retain voters?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (39g3+)

221 Listening to Trumpettes scream like rabid 0baambots has led me to a very bad place. Where is my safe space?

Posted by: ETS at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (ES7V9)

222 I'm all for vetting muslims before we let them in the US. Only those with shorter fingers than I will be admitted.

Posted by: The Donald at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (b3p08)

223 >>>And don't forget Cruz's boob bait like shutting down the IRS.
Yeah thats another of his laughable promises

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You really believe trump is going to circumvent Congress to get a wall built and then against all odds have Mexico sign and deliver a check for it?

The idea of trump running a country competently and even more so the people who believe this is drivel is laughable.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (/E+t2)

224

All of a sudden some of you are purists.

The same people who used to berate others as the Purity Brigade are acting all fakey-naive about Trump's nuances, now.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:20 PM (o2321)

225 215
@201 Vic, I hope what I said wasn't considered an attack. I am just looking for clarification and a solution.

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 12:18 PM (0e/Wy)

Which post was yours?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 12:20 PM (t2KH5)

226 "He cannot get to 50 percent of Republican primary voters."

LOL. But Canada Ted can? Or Kasich? Or Jeb?

This is the absolutes stupidest argument against Trump.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:20 PM (0LHZx)

227 The criticism on Trump's change in positions is certainly warranted. But let's stop pretending Cruz has not had his share of flip-flops. Its disingenuous.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:21 PM (WnCSK)

228 119
Ace,

Dude, what happened? You're almost in Beck-ville vis a vis Trump.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:05 PM
****
Srsly. NRO's hysteria comes to mind. I'm not going to say much else this being your place and no offense intended. Trump's foreign policy team (he is advisor reliant, no?) gives some comfort: "Trump's team of foreign policy advisers, led by Alabama Sen. Jeff
Sessions, consists of counter-terrorism expert Walid Phares, energy
consultant George Papadopoulos, former Defense Department inspector
general Joe Schmitz, managing partner of Global Energy Capital Carter
Page and former Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg."

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 22, 2016 12:21 PM (g1MTt)

229 "For all his narcissistic schizophrenia, he still makes more sense than anybody else."
He really doesnt

Posted by: LTCHAM at March 22, 2016 12:21 PM (MzYgJ)

230 227 Listening to Trumpettes scream like rabid 0baambots has led me to a very bad place. Where is my safe space?
Posted by: ETS at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (ES7V9)

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You can cry in your Kasich 2016 throw pillow.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:21 PM (0LHZx)

231
So Katchit is taking more votes away from Cruz than Trump because?

Because Katchit's positions are closer to Cruz's. That's the only logical conclusion.

And it says lots about Cruz.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 12:21 PM (RcpcZ)

232 So which candidate will close the borders?
If it isn't Trump then who is it?
Cruz was handing out teddy bears to welcome illegasl here with Beck (who is nuts).
Posted by: scorecard at March 22, 2016 12:07 PM (Bbcs

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Cruz

Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2016 12:21 PM (7GQM/)

233 So if a Republican nominee campaigns on cutting spending by a trillion dollars and ends up only cutting $800 billion from the budget, is he a lying piece of shit that we should no longer support?

Well if he says "I never campaigned on cutting a trillion dollars!" then he's lying. How you respond to that is up to you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (39g3+)

234 >>>When Hot Air imploded did the writers migrate here as well as the commentators?

When Breitbart imploded did the writers migrate here as well as the commentators?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (/E+t2)

235 Look trump was ORIGINALLY asked about the muslim refugee immigration for Syria and he initially responded to THAT by saying it should be shut down till they can be vetted.

Then he goes off half cocked, like he often does, and expands on it to other muslims from other countries, but but still mostly talks about suspending it till we figure out a way to vet them. And of course his syntax is terrible and all....but let's stop making him out to be Attila the Hun.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (mw8Dm)

Thank you.

I'm at the point where I don't even care what Trump says anymore. If it's him vs. the Hildebeast, he's got my vote.

Dispose of the known tyrant first. If Trump heads down the same path, deal with him then. The only goal right now should be to kill the Clinton machine off.

Posted by: Blano at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (uiVGU)

236 211 In 2-3 weeks, this terrorist attack today will be forgotten.
Posted by: Soona

And then there will be another one.

And another...

And another....

Their pool of attackers is deep. This isn't like August '45 where we just have one or two nukes and once we've dropped them we're out of ammo. They instead have an essentially endless supply of suicide bombers, entire generations of disaffected youth and radicalized jihadists.

And each time it happens, the xenophobia among the victims groups grows and grows.

Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (jBuUi)

237 184 "Ban all the Muslims because 9/11" is neither rational nor enforceable

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:10 PM (+Fl7e)

go on keep repeating that bullshit, but you must have gotten that crap from some liberal web site

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (mw8Dm)

238 The idea of trump running a country competently and even more so the people who believe this is drivel is laughable.
Posted by: Arson Wells

no more laughable than you voting for Hillary. she's competent? at what?

Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (nFwvY)

239 BoB???

The Bitch of Benghazi.

The Beast of BevMo

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 12:23 PM (8ZskC)

240 So you're saying Cruz is getting whipped by a Kardashian.That says more about Cruz than it does about Trump

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 11:50 AM (lKyWE)
Maybe... or maybe it says more about the voters doing the choosing and picking one over the other. The people seem to prefer a Kardashian.
What's the quote I want now? "Democracy gives the people the leader they deserve; and it gives it to them good and hard". Something along those lines.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 22, 2016 12:23 PM (1tc4V)

241 @182 "...I just listened to the whole 11:47 interview and it is bullshit to claim that he said this about muzzies. he was talking about ALL people coming in and the need to do away with the no-visa requirements."

Uh, boy. ... This USED to be the place to go to get the DEBUNKED version of the story, not the dishonestly edited and spun one.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 22, 2016 12:23 PM (/q6+P)

242 And don't forget Cruz's boob bait like shutting down the IRS.
Yeah thats another of his laughable promises

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You really believe trump is going to circumvent Congress to get a wall built and then against all odds have Mexico sign and deliver a check for it?

The idea of trump running a country competently and even more so the people who believe this is drivel is laughable.
Posted by: Arson Wells

You understand Cruz's "promises" on tax policy also require Congress, right?

Since we have already passed legislation to build a physical barrier, the idea of Trump campaigning on a wall being built seems pretty realistic to me.

Will Mexico hand us the check? No, but we certainly have ways we can squeeze them,

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:23 PM (7e1qS)

243 So the original statement was the initial sales pitch. It was taylored to be an attractive offer that garnered attention and created interest in the product. Got you in the door.
We are now in the detail stage. The deal is now what can be realistically offered. You will get most of what you want with this new pitch. And you are already there so you hang around looking at the plan.
Then you do that all together too human thing. Since you bought into the original pitch you are now vested in the deal and start rationalizing how it is a good deal. Might not be the same deal originally offered. Still, it is good.
Friends, this what EVERY politician does. The probability that when you scratch a politician you find a hustling salesman underneath approaches certainty.
It is depressing to realize most people are terrible at shopping for politicians. They put more effort into buying a toaster oven.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 22, 2016 12:23 PM (FtrY1)

244
The thing that makes me so angry about all the Trump support is how badly he will lose in the general election.

If Cruz gets the nomination, he will lose in a landslide. The MFM / DNC complex will trot out "Christianist theocracy" and "back alley abortions" non-stop.

If some nickelfucking GOPe candidate gets slotted in at the convention, it's a laughable proposition to think those people motivated to vote for Trump or the pissed-off base will vote for !Jeb Marco Amnesty. Again, a massive loss in the general.

The question, rather, should be, will the down-ticket races be affected by who is at the top?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (X6fMO)

245 And each time it happens, the xenophobia among the victims groups grows and grows.
Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (jBuUi)

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Point of order.

Getting pissed because friends and neighbors are getting killed aint Xenophobia.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (8XRCm)

246 @231 Vic
@156 was mine

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (0e/Wy)

247 224
When Hot Air imploded did the writers migrate here as well as the
commentators? The anti-Trump vibe here is as bad if not worse than HA.
Is Erik Erickson guest blogging this wee?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (0LHZx)
You know, there are plenty of Trump-fellating blogs out there if you would be more comfortable there

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (+Fl7e)

248 So Trump outright contradicts himself and some of his supporters don't care.
Those same people turn around and point out how Ted has contradicted himself and say that is a reason not to vote for him. Unreal.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 12:12 PM (1JqUE)

That's actually a fair play if Trump Supporter Bob personally does not care about what the politicians say, but is talking to Cruz supporter Alice who cares cares what the politicians say.

In that case, it doesn't matter what Trump or Cruz says, Bob still supports Trump. But if Alice says she cannot vote for Trump because he contradicted himself, then if she is consistent, she should also consider Cruz's contradictions.

Otherwise, Alice is playing a rigged game where Trump's contradictions matter but Cruz's contradictions don't. In that case, the contradictions don't actually matter to Alice, either. It's just a useful stick.

This is just an abstract look at the situation, not arguing for either candidate.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (1D4Ef)

249 I call for a ban on mohammedans breathing on planet earth.

Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (k3w9p)

250 GOPe / NRO / Faux News / Beck logic:

Trump can't even win 50% of the primary vote, how can he possibly win a general election??!!??

Vote Kasich: the guy who wins 5-10% of the primary vote. Now that's a proven winner in the general.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

251 I call for a ban on mohammedans breathing on planet earth.

Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (k3w9p)

Well the liberals want us all to stop breathing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:25 PM (mw8Dm)

252 You know, there are plenty of Trump-fellating blogs out there if you would be more comfortable there
Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (+Fl7e)

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Don't you have a muslim to felate yourself?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

253 Actually, if Trump flip flopped but showed some research or policy or rationale, I'd be okay with it.

My advisers say its unfair to completely ban Muslims, so we plan to make very tight documentation, tighter than is now, by adding X, Y, and Z.

Instead its this vague "careful documentation."

Which is already in place for refugees anyways. And may not work because its easy to game.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (UBBWX)

254 In fact, Muslims and leftists seek out high-profile times to misbehave. The will be violent protests and terror attacks in October, I guarantee it. And each time, more voters will switch to Trump.
Posted by: zombie

Exactly. You can count on an illegal immigrant committing a horrible crime or drunk driving accident that Trumps media team can inflate as well.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (cXiMR)

255
You really believe trump is going to circumvent Congress to get a wall built and then against all odds have Mexico sign and deliver a check for it?
Circumvent Congress? I thought Republicans in Congress wanted the border secure?

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (lKyWE)

256 Oh goody.

Changing folks minds again I see.

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (mEZce)

257 Patient...later

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (mw8Dm)

258 226 This is the most blatantly Trump has outright contradicted himself so it should be interesting to see how it plays out. Will he get it to work? How far can he go with just blowing off his primary campaign and retain voters?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (39g3+)

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I don't mind holding Trump's feet to the fire.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (LXJ1e)

259 Don't you have a muslim to felate yourself?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

No personal attacks please.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (wqVD1)

260 I don't get the "he's not detailed enough in policy" arguments. Elections are not won on detailed policy arguments.

Not any longer, no. But the utter lack of details does suggest a sort of vagueness in his understanding, or at least ability to articulate them.

Still, if I'm right and the modern politician wins by creating a brand and a set of associated concepts with their name instead of specific positions and policy arguments, Trump will do well with this approach.

Hillary is trying the old style of campaign, and I don't think that's a winner in America. Still, its not really even about her campaign. If Hillary wins, it will be despite her campaign (like Obama's last run), and because of the rotted culture, the Democrat Party nationwide fraud machine, and the legacy media/entertainment machine dragging her carcass across the line.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (39g3+)

261 Brussels is 35% muzzie and growing. This is the end result. There is no other path other than what we are witnessing. Allowing unlimited muzzie immigration into the US will result in the exact same events taking place in LA, Detroit, Chicago, NY, ettc. You are either a fool or blind if you don't realize this.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (0LHZx)

262 You know, there are plenty of Trump-fellating blogs out there if you would be more comfortable there
Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (+Fl7e)

****

There are also plenty of Trump bashing sites at which you may find yourself more comfortable.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (2EDeK)

263 @261
Inflate might be the wrong word, but at least Trump has a media team with the gonads to use incidents to go after Hillary (see barking dog ad).

Don't expect that from the Mailman's son.

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (0e/Wy)

264
Tonight I'd like to see Kasick receive single digit support. If so, pressure will be on him tomorrow to gtfo.

Even Lindsey Graham has already turned on Kasick.

Then it will be down to two and Cruz can continue his shitty lackluster boring campaign for a couple of more weeks until he finally quits.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (o2321)

265 Anyone who will shut down the IRS has my vote and my life long allegiance.

What has happened to this place? We have pro IRS people here now? At tax time???

May as well say you are Satan worshippers... sheesh.

Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (8QGte)

266 Well if he says "I never campaigned on cutting a trillion dollars!" then he's lying. How you respond to that is up to you.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Who cares. Politician lies about campaign promise, story at 11.

When Bush said "you're either with us or against us" he didn't actually invade countries that didn't support the US.

My honest opinion though is that Trump is not lying with these 2 statements.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (7e1qS)

267 So I'm evolving....like every other politician. I'm learning to be a politician, I'm flip flopping my ass off and looking at focus groups and polls to see whats popular today. Then I self identify. And for some reason that makes me more of an asshole than every other politician? Blow me.

Posted by: Trumpnado at March 22, 2016 12:28 PM (gxIP7)

268 Jihad, as being practiced, is guerrilla warfare. We used to excel at executing this, now, we can't recognize it nor have any kind of plan to fight it. Result? Lots of dead westerners and elites fortifying and wringing their hands.

No one knows what to do...

Posted by: Russkilitlover at March 22, 2016 12:28 PM (pAkLs)

269 I don't see how this necessarily contradicts what he has said before.

Posted by: WOPR at March 22, 2016 11:54 AM (LTDSy)

I pronounce you cured, Winston.

Posted by: O'Brian in Room 101, Holding Up His Fingers at March 22, 2016 12:28 PM (UWlp+)

270 252
@231 Vic

@156 was mine

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 12:24 PM (0e/Wy)

No, that's not an attack. But I was talking about the previous thread.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (t2KH5)

271 Friendly reminder to the Trump hate brigade: your allies are George Soros, MSNBC, NY Times, A.N.S.W.E.R, BLM and every other communist organization on the planet.

But yeah...totes conservative you are.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (0LHZx)

272 Cruz will not lose in a landslide because Trump will support him, campaign for him, and fund Cruz.

Cruz immigration proposals are close to Trump's, so Trump would of course support Cruz.

And for a guy worth $10 billion, Trump will want to save America by having a super-pac.

right?

Y'all want Cruz to support Trump by being his VP or whatever, I'd expect the same back.

Let's see if Trump will open his wallet. My guess is NO.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (UBBWX)

273 It's just amazing. A Puffed-up claim about something Trump "said" is to be used as a hammer, but when the hammer strikes it sounds like one of those little squeaky toys...

Posted by: zzBottom at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (7YFuT)

274 You really believe trump is going to circumvent Congress to get a wall built and then against all odds have Mexico sign and deliver a check for it?

As I understand it, the funding for building a wall is already in place, and if he's going to somehow get Mexico to pay for it (I can imagine some ways to do so), then he doesn't need congress.

I just don't believe he'll do anything of the sort. I think that promise is an utter lie from start to finish, its an applause line to rouse the crowd, and utterly without conviction or intent.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (39g3+)

275 Haha not gonna see as many Trump apologists in this thread.

Wishful thinking that has not panned out. At all. Oh well. I suppose a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, or hands, or whatever.

Trump's evolution on the issues has been almost, Romney-esque.

(ducks)

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (zrsn3)

276 Patient...later
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (mw8Dm)

Drill. Drill like the wind!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (8ZskC)

277 Trump is a moral-less, vain, dangerous person who quite literally
profits off of human misery and suffering. The only candidate besides
Trump who has caused as much human misery and suffering is Hillary with
her destruction of Libya.

________

As I said yesterday, I can't see a difference between Trump and Clinton. Both are scam artists.

A Piece of the Action -- Krako or Oxmyx.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (MIKMs)

278 Where is this "good documentation" coming from

And how do you forge it

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (zOTsN)

279 Ginger hottie on FNC right now say that ISIS' goal is to move the war from the ME to the west. I think she has a good point. Did I mention she was a hottie?

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (Fmupd)

280 "I didn't say shut it down," he said. "I said you have to be very careful. We have to be very, very strong and vigilant at the borders. We have to be tough."

I just listened to the Trump interview for a second time and STILL did NOT hear this quote. I did not hear Trump say anything even close to this. he talked about getting rid of the visa-waiver program, syrians getting in with no documentation, mosque surveillance that needs to be started again .... stuff like that. But I did not hear that alleged quote.

It was an excellent interview that I found nothing to have any problems with. When they mentioned the ceasing of muslim immigration the interviewer mentioned that Trump got a lot of criticism for it, to which Trump responded that a lot of people supported it.

Can someone else listen to this interview and try and find that ephemeral for me, because I didn't hear it or anything like it:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/ 273857-trump-frankly-were-having-problems-with-the-muslims

(take space out of address before "273857")

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (zc3Db)

281 "Y'all want Cruz to support Trump by being his VP or whatever"

No...not us all....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (WnCSK)

282 The net net of today's events is the we'll now have to get to the airport two hours before the flight rather than one. Other than that, nothing much will change.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (kTF2Z)

283 Trump called for a "temporary pause" in Muslim immigration until we could "figure out what the hell is going on." Cruz wanted them to keep 'em coming and changed his mind when public opinion shifted. Cruz announced his strange new respect for public opinion after he got off the floor, writhing and speaking in tongues.

I hope that clears up the distinction between the two.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (sTfq3)

284 So.....anyone think this attack while Obama is in Cuba might force him to delay plans for turning over Gitmo to Raul Castro?

Wishful thinking, I know, but the attacks *do* put a damper on Obama's otherwise glorious pilgrimage to Commie Cuba.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)

285 " So I'm evolving....like every other politician. I'm learning to be a politician, I'm flip flopping my ass off and looking at focus groups and polls to see whats popular today. Then I self identify. And for some reason that makes me more of an asshole than every other politician? Blow me."

Oh, so he's just another politician now.

Well, then open up the tax returns, Mr. Normal Politician.

Remember when he said he would self-fund, couldn't be bought, etc.

Why's he becoming a normal politician then?

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (UBBWX)

286 Anyone who will shut down the IRS has my vote and my life long allegiance.

What has happened to this place? We have pro IRS people here now? At tax time???

May as well say you are Satan worshippers... sheesh.
Posted by: navybrat

I also hate taxes, but if a candidate promised that I'd never pay taxes again, I'd say it's a stupid promise.

Okay, Cruz "ends" the IRS.

If I stop paying my income taxes, who enforces that? So now we're just talking about a name change of the agency?

It's boob bait, and Trump doesn't have a corner on the market.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (7e1qS)

287
If you want Cruz to be the nom, you better start working hard for him now. And you better pray that Cruz does something different. His current course is a straight line for Failville.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (o2321)

288 "Trump's evolution on the issues"

So are you claiming Cruz has not flipped on immigration multiple times?

This is the hilarity of this argument.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (WnCSK)

289 So muslims kill innocents, and the world unites to go after Trump. Nice to see the terrorists did not win!

Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (1SCTq)

290 Point of order.

Getting pissed because friends and neighbors are getting killed aint Xenophobia.
Posted by: fixerupper /i]

You've acting like I implied xenophobia is a bad. thing. Actually, I don't think it is.

Nor do I think it is a "good" thing either. Instead, it is a natural thing. Most humans in most settings throughout history have been intensely and almost genetically xenophobic. The "absence of natural xenophobia" has only arisen (or should I say "been artificially imposed") very recently in history.

Looks like the trend in history is now heading back toward xenophobia. I render no opinion as to whether or not this is good or moral -- I'm just noting that it is happening.

Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (jBuUi)

291 Trump Hate Brigade: no fucking way I'm voting for Trump. He's a NYC liberal.

Uhm OK so who are you voting for?

Trump Hate Brigade: Why Hillary of course, the NYC liberal.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

292 BoB???

The Bitch of Benghazi.

-
No. The peter pill guy with the big smile on his face.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (Nwg0u)

293 unitalic.

Ugh.

Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (jBuUi)

294 Oh, goody - Hillary's talking now on CNN.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (NOIQH)

295 >>>279 Friendly reminder to the Trump hate brigade: your allies are George Soros, MSNBC, NY Times, A.N.S.W.E.R, BLM and every other communist organization on the planet.
But yeah...totes conservative you are.

Would like me to list off your pro-Trump allies?

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 12:32 PM (MCmqp)

296 296 So muslims kill innocents, and the world unites to go after Trump. Nice to see the terrorists did not win!
Posted by: Baldy at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (1SCTq)

_____

Not the whole world. Just a slice of the world that is blind to reality, sadly it's a big slice.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:32 PM (0LHZx)

297 The thing that makes me so angry about all the Trump support is how badly he will lose in the general election.

Since all the 'good governance' types are gone (from both parties), I think Trump is the MOST likely to win of the remaining four major candidates. The only scenario I see in which Trump doesn't win is if the Dims bait n' switch HRC with a moderate bland nobody - Kloucbar, Byah, Biden, etc.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 12:32 PM (cXiMR)

298 go on keep repeating that bullshit, but you must have gotten that crap from some liberal web site
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (mw8Dm)

I think it's time to just ignore him. He's a squish, period. Nothing's gonna change. He's part of the problem.

Posted by: Blano at March 22, 2016 12:32 PM (sdPF/)

299 That's funny, because when I google up "Ted Cruz+Muslim Immigration, what comes up is "Ted Cruz rejects Donald Trump's Muslim Immigration plan."

So, I guess, Ted Cruz agrees with his Libtard friends, again.

Posted by: franksalterego at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (Cd+Fa)

300 "Wow more Trump bait. I am waiting to see any other politician say anything about limiting immigration in any way. Oh and I certainly don't see anyone other than Trump rushing forward to condemn islam or ISIS like Trump has. obama continues to refuse to address the muslim problem or even acknowledge it is a problem. Hillary is doing the same. "

Hmm. Like Cruz. You know, Cruz hasn't had to walk back his Muslim immigration stances. And for all you Trump backers, he obviously has just said we no longer need to ban muslims, just vet them better. Wasn't that Obama's position right before San Bernadino? Cruz has said we need to restrict immigration from certain countries. Has he walked that back today?

Posted by: JEM1 at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (ZoYwk)

301 242 211 In 2-3 weeks, this terrorist attack today will be forgotten.
Posted by: Soona

And then there will be another one.

And another...

And another....

Their pool of attackers is deep. This isn't like August '45 where we just have one or two nukes and once we've dropped them we're out of ammo. They instead have an essentially endless supply of suicide bombers, entire generations of disaffected youth and radicalized jihadists.

And each time it happens, the xenophobia among the victims groups grows and grows.
Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:22 PM (jBuUi)

This. This plus a million.
I remember during one of the Gulf Wars, probably the Second, when Al Qaeda adherents were laughing that Americans were more concerned with video games and coca cola, and weren't able to fight a real war against them. I thought they were just smack talking then. But now? With a few exceptions, a plurality of the populace fits this description. There is no fight in them, and they don't want to fight, to protect our way of life. They are deluded in thinking that it will just keep on like it has been going, because... and they have no idea how it has kept going, or the sacrifices made by others so they can play their video games and watch Girls, and scream about those xenophobic entitled conservatives trash.

A huge, huge thank you to the Horde in the military. Thank you for protecting us, thank you for putting your lives on the line, and my prayers for you and yours, because I think it is going to get much much worse before it gets better.

Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (7q2ch)

302 I don't mind holding Trump's feet to the fire.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (LXJ1e)

While simultaneously singing his praises and kissing his ass? Sounds difficult, like some fiendish variant of Twister.

Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (UWlp+)

303 I don't think this is a yuuuge deal (maybe I'm getting used to his, um, diversity of opinions), but yeah, he contradicted himself. He previously advocated a temporary ban until we new what the hell is going on . Last time I checked, Department of Homeland Security and ICE were becoming even more and more incompetent and downright malevolent.

I'm just shocked that jwest thinks this is a bad move by Trump. Wonders never cease.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (uz/Pv)

304 So are you claiming Cruz has not flipped on immigration multiple times?

Uh, nope.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (zrsn3)

305 292
" So I'm evolving....like every other politician. I'm learning to be a
politician, I'm flip flopping my ass off and looking at focus groups and
polls to see whats popular today. Then I self identify. And for some
reason that makes me more of an asshole than every other politician?
Blow me."

Oh, so he's just another politician now.

Well, then open up the tax returns, Mr. Normal Politician.

Remember when he said he would self-fund, couldn't be bought, etc.

Why's he becoming a normal politician then?

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (UBBWX)

Because thats what you seem to want? Just sayin'.

Posted by: Trumpnado at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (gxIP7)

306 Vote Kasich: the guy who wins 5-10% of the primary vote. Now that's a proven winner in the general.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

Get your head out of the sand Moo Moo, Kasich beats Hillary by 5 points in current head to head polls. Trump and Cruz both lose to her.

He's the only acceptable option. He's a force of nature. Nobody can take it to Hillary like Fightin John Kasich, potato warrior.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:33 PM (xuouz)

307 " 37 Not denying that Trump says different things on different days. But wasn't what Trump said originally is that we need a moratorium on Muslim immigration until we can figure out how to do it properly? I don't see how this necessarily contradicts what he has said before."

It's exactly what Trump said. The problem is the faux religious fanatic/GOP'er in sheep's clothing Ace supports made a total ass out of himself today per usual by casting his lot again with the communists. Mr. "Burn It Down" is just letting his own mask slip and falling into line with the GOPe. Ace will be writing pro-McConnell pieces in a month.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (sTfq3)

308 Which is already in place for refugees anyways. And may not work because its easy to game.

Posted by: Harun at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (UBBWX)

Which is already a deliberate farce in place for refugees anyways. And can not work because it's virtually impossible for them to be vetted in any meaningful sense.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (wYnyS)

309 When Bush said "you're either with us or against us" he didn't actually invade countries that didn't support the US.

Well, he didn't promise to. Its just disingenuous at best to say "well Trump really meant blah blah;" he lied. Trump supporters need to stop defending this and acting like its not technically a true actual lie somehow.

Do all politicians lie? Yep. Its part of being a politician.

But not all politicians go on the offense over and over again attacking their competing politicians of lying when they weren't, then tell a huge whopper on camera. You can understand why that might be, shall we say, less than attractive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (39g3+)

310 Anyone who will shut down the IRS has my vote and my life long allegiance.

What has happened to this place? We have pro IRS people here now? At tax time???

May as well say you are Satan worshippers... sheesh. Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2016 12:27 PM (8QGte)I would be happy to vote for someone whom I thought would really eliminate the IRS. But Cruz isn't going to do it, and he knows it.He could not get the requisite legislation through Congress and he would already have to have, set to go, another collection system for Leviathan. What he would have to do is pull an Obama and EO the IRS out of existence. Which, as a self-proclaimed constitutional conservative, he cannot do.He's lying and he knows he's lying. He's simply counting on people not questioning him.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (X6fMO)

311 " I don't mind holding Trump's feet to the fire."

But see they will never do that to Cruz. I've firmly come to believe its now a messiah complex with him.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (WnCSK)

312 It was an excellent interview that I found nothing to have any problems with. When they mentioned the ceasing of muslim immigration the interviewer mentioned that Trump got a lot of criticism for it, to which Trump responded that a lot of people supported it.

Can someone else listen to this interview and try and find that ephemeral for me, because I didn't hear it or anything like it:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/ 273857-trump-frankly-were-having-problems-with-the-muslims

(take space out of address before "273857")
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (zc3Db)

-------

No NO. Dont do that. Listen to pundits.

They get it right.

My last dying wish from my broken beat up body.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (8XRCm)

313 "That's funny, because when I google up "Ted Cruz+Muslim Immigration, what comes up is "Ted Cruz rejects Donald Trump's Muslim Immigration plan."

So, I guess, Ted Cruz agrees with his Libtard friends, again."

His plan all along was to restrict it from certain areas. We can debate that of course.

Seems as if Trump just rejected his own plan this morning.

Posted by: JEM1 at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (ZoYwk)

314 Once again, the 2016 primary theme song:

https://youtu.be/rYzXhE3vwNk

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (bLnSU)

315 So let me get this straight- 9 Americans were getting treated for trauma or bagged up in Belgium, at the MOMENT that Cruz was playing politics regarding the attack?

Got it. But we need to focus on which verbs change in Trump's comments, cause he is so icky!!!.

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (kXzR8)

316
What has happened to this place? We have pro IRS people here now? At tax time??? May as well say you are Satan worshippers... sheesh.

Oh please.spare me. We are not supporting the IRS,we are pointing out how assine Cruz is if he thinks he can abolish one of the most powerful agencies in government with the stroke of a pen.Not to mention the powerful lobbiest who represent represent tax attorney's and accountants

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (lKyWE)

317 Time for some art as a change of pace

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Serge-Marshennikov-8.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (0vZ6F)

318
Kasich beats Hillary by 5 points in current head to head polls.

Ha! Where, in Kasick's hometown in Ohio?

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (o2321)

319 Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (sTfq3)

Too bad he stopped at just your cat!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (wYnyS)

320 "Seems as if Trump just rejected his own plan this morning."

So Cruz never flipped?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (WnCSK)

321 I also hate taxes, but if a candidate promised that I'd never pay taxes again, I'd say it's a stupid promise.

Okay, Cruz "ends" the IRS.

If I stop paying my income taxes, who enforces that? So now we're just talking about a name change of the agency?

It's boob bait, and Trump doesn't have a corner on the market.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:31 PM (7e1qS)
Cruz did explain this at one of the debates you know.
He did admit that there would be a tax collection agency, but it would not be the IRS as currently constituted.
He wants to abolish the IRS as an organization which pries into the private life of every citizen via their financial transactions.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (+Fl7e)

322 Friendly reminder to the Trump hate brigade: your allies are George Soros, MSNBC, NY Times, A.N.S.W.E.R, BLM and every other communist organization on the planet.

But yeah...totes conservative you are.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:29 PM (0LHZx)
***********************
All of the above despise Cruz. Trump actually likes MSNBC.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (7GQM/)

323 How many Trump supporters do you think read "The Hill"? They however will hear about Muslims blowing up Brussels, and they will hear that Trump once said ban Muslims, the media is too stupid to quit talking about it. Trump's numbers are about to go up again. I told you it was as if he was touched by the hand of God, you just don't get this lucky. He's going to win in spite of himself. If he tries to back out of what he's said, then roll out the guillotine.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (RAFM0)

324 For years and years I heard so called "conservatives" whine that we need to get rid of career politicians. So here comes Trump who has never held political office. And the reaction from these CINOs? We can't have Trump as prezzie, he doesn't have experience. We need someone who's been in office for at least 20 years and has political gravitas and shit.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (0LHZx)

325 "Yeah I saw that definition in the Dictionary under "Politician"

So that makes so much different from whom?"

I actually don't get an "unelectable flaming clown boner" vibe from most political candidates, even other candidates I hate usually know the basics.

And by politician standards, Cruz is very very good at stating his position and sticking to it; whether that comes more from calculation or principle, I guess, is up to you, but he's based his political capital on honoring explicit campaign promises and being a full-spectrum conservative-that's enough for me.

I'm only going to vote for Trump if he can manage to get within the margin of error in relation to Clinton in the polls. Otherwise, I'll vote for someone I haven't learned to hate as much as Marco Rubio in 3 short months.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (KF8B+)

326 And I actually think Trump's initial position was very reasonable if not completely logistically practical. Which is one of the reasons I actually started liking him.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (uz/Pv)

327 man, the dogs really aren't eating the dogfood anymore.

Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (nFwvY)

328 224 When Hot Air imploded did the writers migrate here as well as the commentators? The anti-Trump vibe here is as bad if not worse than HA. Is Erik Erickson guest blogging this wee?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:19 PM (0LHZx)

Wait, What?! Ace has always taken a realist, sometimes cynical view of politics. There is no cult of personality being promoted here. Go read Breitbart or freerepublic, you'll be happy.

Posted by: Matty at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (+ULpH)

329 Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (0vZ6F)

Anna, I know art when I see it, and that is art!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (wYnyS)

330 I'm voting for SMOD. Its the only hope...

Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (67aEn)

331 LITTLE HANDS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=-vnAjRk_XWE

Posted by: ROBERT PLANT at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (c84p5)

332 What a surprise this morning to find Trump being fed questions about Brussels on Trump & Friends on Murdoch's Trump News Network. Trump's analysis: "It's crazy". Let that soak in.
Some people seem to think Trump will "Fix Things" because he "fired" schlubs and washed up celebs on TV. Absolving Trump for all his bullshit because of the specter of Hillary is a cop out.

Posted by: El Alamein at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (uNpJu)

333 It's exactly what Trump said. The problem is the faux religious fanatic/GOP'er in sheep's clothing Ace supports made a total ass out of himself today per usual by casting his lot again with the communists. Mr. "Burn It Down" is just letting his own mask slip and falling into line with the GOPe. Ace will be writing pro-McConnell pieces in a month.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (sTfq3)

Ok. Then why are you even hanging out here? It doesn't seem to be a good fit for you.

And weren't you banned before?

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (wqVD1)

334 It's boob bait, and Trump doesn't have a corner on the market.

Bait for boobs... Or bait of boobs?
And are these actual boobies or is that slang for "idiots"?
Important that you answer promptly.

Posted by: wooga at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (Zpfuz)

335 Oh please.spare me. We are not supporting the IRS,we are pointing out how assine Cruz is if he thinks he can abolish one of the most powerful agencies in government with the stroke of a pen.Not to mention the powerful lobbiest who represent represent tax attorney's and accountants
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (lKyWE)

____

Obama essentially wiped out DHS with a stroke of pen. The GOPe shrugged its shoulders and went on with their business. But wiping out the IRS...oh no that's impossible.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (0LHZx)

336 Oh, dear, how did we ever live without the IRS and income taxes and the THOROUGHLY INCOMPREHENSIBLE DOGGEREL that our tax code has become?

Where are my pearls, I must clutch them.

Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (8QGte)

337 Cruz is 100 times better than Trump, but Trump is also 100 times better than Hillary. I don't want to see another damned stinking anti-Trump anything without it being followed by an obvious affirmation that IF HE IS THE NOMINEE people better damned well vote for him over whichever of the two America hating communists he is facing.

Posted by: AlecRawls at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (5z7RS)

338 There you go again Ace attacking Trump for inconsistency while ignoring your own.

Trump was just praising Swedish people and you were ok with that? As I know, and I have solid unimpeachable evidence to show you know, Swedish people is just a politically correct term for Squareheaded Scandis. In fact there are even Swedish people named Bjeorn.

And you are ok with Tump saying he was ok with them... How can we trust anything you say?

Posted by: RoyLC at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (wdHQo)

339 22 It shows me he is transitioning from the nomination fight to the general.
Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 11:52 AM (cXiMR)

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from sucking our cocks to fucking us up the ass.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (R8ea6)

340 Watching Fox now and they are saying Trump reiterated his temporary ban. The clip they played backed that up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (kTF2Z)

341 Circumvent Congress? I thought Republicans in Congress wanted the border secure?
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:26 PM (lKyWE)

Oh you're right! All those "RINOS" are just champing at the bit to get that wall built!

Congress passed legislation to build a wall over 10 years ago that they refused to fund. It must be nice to listen to the Orange Man on tv and believe all those great promises.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (/E+t2)

342 Is it possible for a president to demand rules be promulgated demanding documentation that doesn't exist, and guarantees that cannot be made, making it nearly impossible to satisfy. A defacto ban on Islamic immigration.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (zOTsN)

343 It was an excellent interview that I found nothing to have any problems with. When they mentioned the ceasing of muslim immigration the interviewer mentioned that Trump got a lot of criticism for it, to which Trump responded that a lot of people supported it.

Can someone else listen to this interview and try and find that ephemeral for me, because I didn't hear it or anything like it:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/ 273857-trump-frankly-were-having-problems-with-the-muslims

(take space out of address before "273857")
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (zc3Db)

----------------------

POP,

Is it CBS This Morning or Fox News. The Hill combines two separate interviews in one write up.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (LXJ1e)

344 Got it. But we need to focus on which verbs change in Trump's comments, cause he is so icky!!!.
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (kXzR

That's all it was, verb changes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (uz/Pv)

345 I'm sure this is just further evidence of what a good brain Trump has, a brain that says a lot of things.

Jesus Fucking Christ, Ace. You are showing the deficiencies in your own brain. You are usually pretty careful about checking things out before you put your own name to them. But not with Trump. You are in the grips of hysteria. The question asked of Trump at CBS had to do with all the trucks coming across the Canadian border and the disruption it would cause to shut that border down. Trump points out he never said close the border. You can skip ahead to around the 4:30 mark.
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/donald-trump-on-belgium-terror-attack/

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (R+30W)

346 He wants to abolish the IRS as an organization which
pries into the private life of every citizen via their financial
transactions.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (+Fl7e)

If you there is a chance in hell of that happening, then you really can't complain about what the most rabid Trump supporter believes Trump will do.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (RAFM0)

347 Hrothgar, figured the Horde might need a little bit of beauty on this day...

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (0vZ6F)

348 Wait, What?! Ace has always taken a realist, sometimes cynical view of politics. There is no cult of personality being promoted here. Go read Breitbart or freerepublic, you'll be happy.
Posted by: Matty at March 22, 2016 12:36 PM (+ULpH)

__

All you new "conservatives" here act exactly like leftists. Don't like what I say? Fuck you, shut up, go away. You're the mirror of BLM, SJWs.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (0LHZx)

349 All the Trumpistas can say to me is that Cruz can't. Kasich can't.

But saying that doesn't mean that Trump can win.

Polling, and I do not really trust it, but it is all we have right now, is showing that Trump gets badly beaten by Clinton in November, but that maybe someone else won't.

Consider this. Electoral college voting had Obama at something like 303 versus Romney at 200 or so. You need 270 to win. And this, with Romney at somewhere around 48 percent of the popular vote.

Trump's only hope is in tipping the states that are tippy. Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, maybe Indiana. West Virginia, but it does not matter, with its small count of electoral college votes.

If you live in a tippy state as I do, do you really think he can win a majority of votes in November where you are? I am in Colorado and think, no way.

The Clinton attacks will portray him as scary and more scary, as a buffoon, as a flipflopper on everything. The fear of the crazy will drive up turnout on the left.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (U6f54)

350 Trump said Hillary would make a great President. All subsequent comments are rendered meaningless by this one statement.

Posted by: Frankie at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (rwaEp)

351 332...

So, let's elect a guy who has BOUGHT political influence from the Clintons, Harry Reid and Rahm Emanuel! Cuz, nothing says "political outsider" like making financial contributions to the established Marxist left!

Posted by: WVinMN at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (4Pleu)

352 Meh.

Somebody's going to have to point out to me what the hell muslims bring to the party-

that makes them suuuuuuuuch a valuable assets that we must import them?

I come up with a big nuthin' when contemplate the wonders that islam and it's adherents will bring with them.

So, I'm perfectly fine with a total ban on all muslims or at least a total ban on all immigrants form muslim countries, unless they can provide absolute proof that they are Christians or Jews.

I see this as a win-win.

Muslims wouldn't come here and be offended and try to kill us or support the killing of us as per their religion and it's text.

We wouldn't have to deal with an unnecessary threat to ourselves or our children.

Despite Trump inconsistency, he still provides the best solutions so far.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (0cMkb)

353 Trump. That is all.

Posted by: nip at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (r73Jl)

354 Ginger art alert...

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Serge-Marshennikov-2.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (0vZ6F)

355 326
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (sTfq3)

Too bad he stopped at just your cat!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:35 PM (wYnyS)

That was a low blow. You want a job in my cabinet? Then fall to your knees.

Posted by: Trumpnado at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (gxIP7)

356 {looks around for familiar faces and sees very few}

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 12:40 PM (4boI/)

357

For all you Trump enthusiasts, every time I read cuck or cuckservative, I hear Neo Nazi. Just so you know. Not persuasive

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 12:40 PM (zOTsN)

358 But not all politicians go on the offense over and over again attacking their competing politicians of lying when they weren't, then tell a huge whopper on camera. You can understand why that might be, shall we say, less than attractive.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Again, I don't think it's a lie, but the idea of a politician never changing his position and not owning up to it is a pretty childish expectation.

Cruz has flip flopped badly on immigration, from trying to pass legislation that gave legalization to current illegal aliens and massively expanding visas to now saying he wants to throw them out and they can never come back.

Find me this "pure" politician that never changes his views.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:40 PM (7e1qS)

359 346 Cruz is 100 times better than Trump, but Trump is also 100 times better than Hillary. I don't want to see another damned stinking anti-Trump anything without it being followed by an obvious affirmation that IF HE IS THE NOMINEE people better damned well vote for him over whichever of the two America hating communists he is facing.
Posted by: AlecRawls

Threadwinner -- or it least gets my vote.

Posted by: zombie at March 22, 2016 12:40 PM (jBuUi)

360 It's a walk back, but he's still saying things that the other candidates would not.

Gonna be strange if it's Hillary vs. Trump...

When they mentioned the Year of the Monkey, they forgot to mention that the monkey has rabies and is covered in flaming tar pitch.

Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2016 12:40 PM (QCc6B)

361 Trump haters hate him because they, like the GOPe don't actually want anything to change. Yeah they bitch about Obama doing this or that, but deep down they don't want the boat rocked. Which is why the idea of 8 years of Clinton doesn't phase them.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:41 PM (0LHZx)

362
Wacky times we live in.

The Left and some Republicans are telling me Trump is an awful person because he wants to ban all muslims.

And now some on the Right are telling me Trump is an awful person because he no longer wants to ban all muslims.

I'm so confused. So many reasons to hate Trump.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:41 PM (o2321)

363 I was OK with the IRS up to the point where they get to be in charge of my health care, i.e., my very life.

I guess some people don't mind if some faceless nihilist with a comb over in a cubicle a thousand miles away get to decide what medical treatment they get.

But, that's me, the boob.

Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2016 12:41 PM (8QGte)

364 Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (0vZ6F)

Yum.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:41 PM (zrsn3)

365 362-you don't recognize Nevergiveup, Chique d'Afrique, Anna Puma, and myriad others? Who, exactly, are you looking for that's familiar?

Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (7q2ch)

366 I would be happy to vote for someone whom I thought would really eliminate the IRS. But Cruz isn't going to do it, and he knows it.

That's one of those things that every presidential candidate does that infuriates me. They all campaign as if they somehow control congress or are able to just make stuff happen with a magic wand. They all do it, and its not just stupid, its incredibly frustrating.

Run on what you'd do as president, not what you'd do if you could mind control congress. Even the best ones do it - Reagan did it, for crying out loud. I don't know if they are just so dumb they think they can, or believe they're campaigning on what they will try to do and stating it too emphatically or what. but it happens every single election and there's no sign it will ever stop.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (39g3+)

367 >>Somebody's going to have to point out to me what the hell muslims bring to the party-

that makes them suuuuuuuuch a valuable assets that we must import them?<<

It's simple: math.

You see, liberals know the only way their dead-end domestic policies have a slim chance of working is if A) you convince people that being taxed at 70% rate is good and B) you have plenty of young people entering the workforce to pay those taxes.

Western European nations have been below replacement level for decades. They need to import labor and babies to make their grand experiment work.

It's not much better here in the US: an overwhelming majority of our population growth comes from immigration and the multiple children they tend to have.

So that's why they are so important: they have multiple children.

Posted by: MacGruber at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (kQBSd)

368 So, let's elect a guy who has BOUGHT political influence from the Clintons, Harry Reid and Rahm Emanuel! Cuz, nothing says "political outsider" like making financial contributions to the established Marxist left!
Posted by: WVinMN at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (4Pleu)

____

Are you really so naive as to think a billionaire in **REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT** doesn't have to bribe politicians? For fuck's sake, wake up.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (0LHZx)

369 I see the TBK3000 is warmed up - good

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (Qvgg/)

370 Hrothgar, figured the Horde might need a little bit of beauty on this day...

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (0vZ6F)

As usual, you chose wisely, grasshopper!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (wYnyS)

371 >>>346 Watching Fox now and they are saying Trump reiterated his temporary ban. The clip they played backed that up.

If you don't like Trump's position, wait a minute.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (MCmqp)

372
Trump haters hate him because they, like the GOPe don't actually want anything to change

I wouldn't say that.Id say they're angry that Trump has laid waste to their plans.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (lKyWE)

373
But here's what's most wacky:

It is clear that the Left and the Republicans (who have done nothing but lie and deceive for the last decade) have something in common: Hate for Trump.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (o2321)

374 I want a President who is strong on immigration, securing our borders, and protecting American jobs.

That's why I support Donald Trump. He has a lifelong history of hiring immigrants to build buildings and has been outspoken in his support of visas for hospitality and kitchen staff, sparing Americans from the jobs that we just don't want to do so we can focus on our education at Trump University and being the next Trump Apprentice.

Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (XItbt)

375 Watching Fox now and they are saying Trump reiterated his temporary ban. The clip they played backed that up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:37 PM (kTF2Z)

Yep. And I listened to the whole interview ace is claiming he backed off on and I didn't hear him say anything like that. I heard him stand up for everything he had said and didn't back down at all. Maybe there was some phrase quickly slipped in somewhere, but I listened twice and couldn't find it. All I heard was Trump defending his positions and talking about how muzzies are a big problem and that mosques need to be surveilled again.

If Trump really said that quote that is the title of this post I wish someone would listen to it and give me the time it was said so I can hear what he was referring to. There was talk of ceasing muzzie immigration and then talk of general immigration and the idiocy of the visa-waiver program. Trump did not back down from his proposed ban on muzzie immigration - not that I heard. He talked about the idiocy of Syrians with no documentation, at all, being brought right in .. but that's the closest I heard to the title quote.

Maybe ace can tell me where in the interview this actually happened ... because I just didn't hear it and don't want to listen to a whole 11:47 interview (that I agree with - I didn't hear anything I disagreed with) for a third time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (zc3Db)

376 Here's Trump saying we should ban muslims coming in: http://tinyurl.com/jzgoe73

Posted by: Draki at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (0eidE)

377 I don't think Ace likes this Trump fellow.

Golden Hair Weasel envy ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (zfvHs)

378 I liked Trump the second Romney, who I liked in 2008, told me how to vote. Remember how everyone hated Romney, and now think he is the statesman?

I tell you who I depise: radical islamic terrorists.

Will vote for anyone vs Dems. Don't give a shite how others vote.

Trump 2016. Bite moi.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (wAMRL)

379 Jesus Fucking Christ, Ace. You are showing the deficiencies in your own brain.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (R+30W)

Go away. If you don't like how Ace's opinion of trump on his OWN BLOG, then go somewhere else.

I suggest Breitbart. I also suggest wearing a face guard. You'll need it.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (/E+t2)

380 That's one of those things that every presidential candidate does that infuriates me. They all campaign as if they somehow control congress or are able to just make stuff happen with a magic wand. They all do it, and its not just stupid, its incredibly frustrating.

Run on what you'd do as president, not what you'd do if you could mind control congress. Even the best ones do it - Reagan did it, for crying out loud. I don't know if they are just so dumb they think they can, or believe they're campaigning on what they will try to do and stating it too emphatically or what. but it happens every single election and there's no sign it will ever stop.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (39g3+)

___

Americans are idiots. That's the root problem.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (0LHZx)

381 Trump haters hate him because they, like the GOPe don't actually want anything to change.

Among the GOPe? Perhaps.

Among the Horde? Uh, no. Not even close.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (zrsn3)

382 What is the deal with the personal insults

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (zOTsN)

383 Woo-hoo!!! 11 reviews of my book.

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/B014BTSEYO

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (0vZ6F)

384 It's funny how it's called "pivoting" which I've seen people actually DEMAND when it's the guy you like, but inconsistent flip-flopping that makes you a fraud when it isn't.

Obviously, you need to go with the track record, for the most part. Trump has been pro-American, complaining about "other countries ripping us off" since at LEAST 1988. He has been calling for the common sense measure of effective border security for at least 5 years. Whether he's spinning to try to win an election, or whether he's being taken out of context, that's where he's been a long time.

On other things, expect him to do what he's famous for doing: Assembling a team of the best and the brightest, make great deals based on the information they provide, and generally try to please his customers (which in this case is actually US). Besides his negotiating skills he also brings the key attribute that he is not beholden to special interests.

DON'T expect him to do what Republicans USUALLY do in this situation, which is to push some religiously-based stuff of their own, instead of fixing what the Democrats broke, like they were elected to do.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (/q6+P)

385 I see the TBK3000 is warmed up - good
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (Qvgg/)

And not a moment too soon.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (xuouz)

386 Got it. But we need to focus on which verbs change in Trump's comments, cause he is so icky!!!.
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 22, 2016 12:34 PM (kXzR

That's all it was, verb changes.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (uz/Pv)
************************
He's consistent with his adjectives. They are Yuuuge.
I'll give him that.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (7GQM/)

387 I was OK with the IRS up to the point where they get to be in charge of my health care, i.e., my very life.

I guess some people don't mind if some faceless nihilist with a comb over in a cubicle a thousand miles away get to decide what medical treatment they get.

But, that's me, the boob.
Posted by: navybrat

As long as there's an income tax, you're going to have a bureaucrat that knows more about you than he should.

So unless you want to change the way we're taxed (which I do) politicians promising "no more IRS" think you're stupid and are lying to you.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (7e1qS)

388 Is it CBS This Morning or Fox News. The Hill combines two separate interviews in one write up.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (LXJ1e)

I listened to the Fox Business interview on the Maria show that ace mentioned (and that was the only video on the Hill page).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (zc3Db)

389 >>>It is clear that the Left and the Republicans (who have done nothing but lie and deceive for the last decade) have something in common: Hate for Trump.

Same old emotional blackmail/social shaming horseshit that SJWs use to get people to fall in line.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (MCmqp)

390 We must take action against climate change in order to stop these things. Don't ask me about ISIS!

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (LYCUN)

391 Please don't let the current crop of pols fix the IRS. End Withholding, wait two political cycles (4 years), and then let that team of politicians fix the IRS.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (cXiMR)

392 Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (zrsn3)

Forget it, he's rolling.

He'll paint the opposition with the earth's biggest paintbrush, but don't you dare point out anything bad about Trump's supporters, even if it is truthful

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (+Fl7e)

393 >>>389 What is the deal with the personal insults

Gosh, I can't imagine where people got that from this election season.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (MCmqp)

394 You are in the grips of hysteria.

Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (Mt8T4)

395 It is clear that the Left and the Republicans (who have done nothing but lie and deceive for the last decade) have something in common: Hate for Trump.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:43 PM (o2321)

___

Is there a difference between the left and the GOPe? I've been saying this forever....the anti-Trumpers on "the right are allied with the most virulent leftist organizations. And they either don't know or care. That is very telling.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (0LHZx)

396 So are you claiming Cruz has not flipped on immigration multiple times?

Uh, nope.
Posted by: DocJ

Hope you at least got a soccer ball and a teddy bear out of the deal.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (uf5be)

397
Meanwhile our current president (God help us) is at a baseball game in Cuba. Kissing the asses of commie dictators.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (493sH)

398
Same old emotional blackmail/social shaming horseshit that SJWs use to get people to fall in line.

Are you looking in the mirror when you say that?

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (o2321)

399 Pivoting ? I know a thing or two about pivoting.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (zfvHs)

400 It kind of cracks me up, because the desire to stop Muslim immigration until we can control what gets in and stabilize things is incredibly popular among voters, but the elites get the vapors, all huffy "how can he -- I can't believe -- the audacity!!!!"

If fundamentalist Christians were blowing crap up and shooting people while screaming "praise Jesus" they'd all be lining up to jail Christians across the entire country, let alone block immigration.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (39g3+)

401 351 I'm sure this is just further evidence of what a good brain Trump has, a brain that says a lot of things.

Jesus Fucking Christ, Ace. You are showing the deficiencies in your own brain. You are usually pretty careful about checking things out before you put your own name to them. But not with Trump. You are in the grips of hysteria. The question asked of Trump at CBS had to do with all the trucks coming across the Canadian border and the disruption it would cause to shut that border down. Trump points out he never said close the border. You can skip ahead to around the 4:30 mark.
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/donald-trump-on-belgium-terror-attack/

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (R+30W)

------------------------------

If that's the case, then that is complete BS on ace's part for taking The Hill's reporting at face value. Ace owe's Donald J. Trump an apology.

Unfortunately I can't access the CBS report.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (LXJ1e)

402 Moki, I do. Butt I'm not seeing many of the old "regulars". It seems like AtC's been scarce lately. Haven't seen willow in ages (and I think there may be a story behind that of which I'm not aware). Did SlapWeasel get banned? The place just looks (and feels) different. Hopefully it will return to what passes for "normal" after November.

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 12:47 PM (4boI/)

403
Find me this "pure" politician that never changes his views.

John Quincy Adams?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2016 12:47 PM (X6fMO)

404 What is the deal with the personal insults
Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (zOTsN)

Gosh idk, idiot, what does it look like? huh?

People are ANGRY

/s please do not ban

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:47 PM (xuouz)

405 Hope you at least got a soccer ball and a teddy bear out of the deal.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (uf5be)

Yeah! To hell with those dirty brown kids!

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:47 PM (/E+t2)

406 Thin veneer of civility must be a sad, sad, sad human being.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at March 22, 2016 12:47 PM (LYCUN)

407 Meanwhile our current president (God help us) is at a baseball game in Cuba. Kissing the asses of commie dictators.

Look on the bright side, at least he's not at a fundraiser.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:47 PM (39g3+)

408 That's one of those things that every presidential candidate does that infuriates me. They all campaign as if they somehow control congress or are able to just make stuff happen with a magic wand. They all do it, and its not just stupid, its incredibly frustrating.

Run on what you'd do as president, not what you'd do if you could mind control congress. Even the best ones do it - Reagan did it, for crying out loud. I don't know if they are just so dumb they think they can, or believe they're campaigning on what they will try to do and stating it too emphatically or what. but it happens every single election and there's no sign it will ever stop.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

So a candidate should instead preface everything with "when me, Congress, and the Supreme Court all agree"?

A President runs on his agenda and there is a separation of powers. The idea every policy proposal needs a civics lesson is over the top.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (7e1qS)

409 386 Jesus Fucking Christ, Ace. You are showing the deficiencies in your own brain.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (R+30W)

Go away. If you don't like how Ace's opinion of trump on his OWN BLOG, then go somewhere else.

I suggest Breitbart. I also suggest wearing a face guard. You'll need it.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:44 PM (/E+t2)

++++

Did ace ban all dissent in the comments and appoint you as Chief Enforcer? I didn't think so. If you don't like the way the comment section here works, you can go somewhere else. As long as the guy who owns the place doesn't say otherwise, I'm staying.

Fuck off.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (R+30W)

410 If it's Trump vs Hillary in the General, it will be the first time that one candidate for the Presidency has paid the other candidate to attend his wedding. Historic first!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (2cS/G)

411 Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (+Fl7e)

Yeah, but its sort of fun sometimes.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (zrsn3)

412 375...
Moo...

"Yeah, sure messiah supported a bunch of Marxist Democrats, but hey! He's a billionaire (not likely), and he's a real estate developer (bankrupt developer), and he has to "grease the skids" to get things done! Dumb Ass! I mean, his background is PERFECT for being the leader of the free world! And I didn't even mention his penchant for hiring illegal aliens and running fly-by-night "education" scams and screwing state governments out of millions! What a resume!"

Posted by: WVinMN at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (TSp48)

413 So unless you want to change the way we're taxed (which I do) politicians promising "no more IRS" think you're stupid and are lying to you.
Posted by: Baldwin at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (7e1qS)

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Or......what they mean isn't literally no more IRS, but they mean a simplified income tax and/or no more income tax at all. Even if we went to a national sales tax or VAt or whatever, we'd still need govt bureaucrats to run the system. I live in a state with no income tax, but we still have a Dept of Revenue.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (0LHZx)

414 Since my attempts to bring a little beauty seems to be failing amidst the heaving seas of anger and insult, back to writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (0vZ6F)

415
So, let's elect a guy who has BOUGHT political influence from the Clintons, Harry Reid and Rahm Emanuel! Cuz, nothing says "political outsider" like making financial contributions to the established Marxist left!

Maybe Trump has seen the system up close and personal and he hates it.Is itimpossible for you peopleto consider that he is an aging billionaire who doesn't need more money and wants to do something meaninful in the last part of his life?

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (lKyWE)

416 Trump is the only candidate who with a consistent record of taking on the GOP establishment and shown a willingness to stand up to them.

Want proof? Look how much money he's donated to the Clinton's, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. When asked about the deals he'd make as President, the first thing he said was how he'd work with Reid and Pelosi to get things done.

Vote for Trump! He's no Republican shill!

Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (XItbt)

417
Is there a difference between the left and the
GOPe? I've been saying this forever....the anti-Trumpers on "the right
are allied with the most virulent leftist organizations. And they either
don't know or care. That is very telling.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (0LHZx)
Ahem

Posted by: Guilt By Association Fallacy at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (+Fl7e)

418 "As long as there's an income tax, you're going to have a bureaucrat that knows more about you than he should. "

But it doesn't keep you from defending it.
Got it.
But I am a boob, of course.
Please, go on. I have a strong inkling that you either work for the IRS or are making a tidy living helping us poor plebes stay on the right side of this highly oppressive and invasive organization.

Posted by: navybrat at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (8QGte)

419 "Yeah, sure messiah supported a bunch of Marxist Democrats, but hey! He's a billionaire (not likely), and he's a real estate developer (bankrupt developer), and he has to "grease the skids" to get things done! Dumb Ass! I mean, his background is PERFECT for being the leader of the free world! And I didn't even mention his penchant for hiring illegal aliens and running fly-by-night "education" scams and screwing state governments out of millions! What a resume!"
Posted by: WVinMN at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (TSp4

____

Find me a billionaire who has never bribed a politician.

I'll wait....

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (0LHZx)

420 I listened to the Fox Business interview on the Maria show that ace mentioned (and that was the only video on the Hill page).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (zc3Db)

--------------------------------

There is a link to the CBS This Morning video "Presidential Candidate's speak on Belgium"

It locks up everytime I try to play it.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (LXJ1e)

421
Raid underway in Belgium. Grow a pair Belgies and really fucking make the savages pay. Go all medieval on them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (493sH)

422 >>>Butt I'm not seeing many of the old "regulars"

It's Planet of the Orange Apes around here.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (/E+t2)

423 Every muzzie coming into the U.S. should be waterboarded to reveal their true intentions. That would be my screening process.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (Fmupd)

424 129 Also, from RCP, Trump -10, Cruz -1, and Kasich +5 vs Clinton. If we are going by who can beat Clinton, then Kasich should be Ace's guy since he is shooting for a brokered convention. Cruz is going to get crushed by the press if he gets the nomination.

This! There is just so much the press will use against Cruz, an example being today's "they're not voting the way their God wants them to" about Evangelicals from Beck. Like it or not, it seems like Trump can get away with more than the other guys. The prss goes after him and peopke yawn.

Posted by: marinemom at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (ep6ak)

425
He has supported Republicans too.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (lKyWE)

426 Is it CBS This Morning or Fox News. The Hill combines two separate interviews in one write up.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (LXJ1e)

I see. It was the other interview - not the one they have on the page. The CBS video won't play on my browser so I can't hear what the actual context of the comment is. Every other interview I've heard Trump give on this has been fine, though - better than fine - so I wouldn't make too much of this without having actually heard it. People who hate Trump are just going to hate him. Nothing can be done about that.

Thanks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (zc3Db)

427 It's such an unbelievable embarrassment that he will be the nominee. Does it matter that he talked out of both sides of his mouth, though? Of course not...his cultish followers excuse anything and everything he says and does. I can't wait to see the spin when he's disavowing that wall on the Mexican border during the general.

Posted by: NeverTrump at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (gI9Bk)

428 I'm resigned to President Hillary. Might as well enjoy the show.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (uq1eJ)

429 Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (uf5be)

Sorry, you (and at least 3-4 others) are confusing me with someone who is on the busted-out, wheel-less Cruz bandwagon. I could vote for him, but won't get the chance as that YUGE ship has sailed.

I'm basically looking to be entertained to the maximum extent possible while this all blows up.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (zrsn3)

430
Oh look there's Barry and his new best friend Raoul taking their seats at the game. Don't they want the limp wristed wonder to throw out the first pitch? They probably heard that he's a catcher

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (493sH)

431
The terrorist attacks happened early enough this morning that most primary voters will have heard about them before voting.

So, will tonight's poll results be interpreted as a Republican mandate on how to deal with terrorism?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (RcpcZ)

432 410-they have been coming on later in the day. But you are correct, there has been an influx from Hot Air, and, well, it's an emotionally charged election season, which is raising a lot of dander.

I think Slap got banninated, but I do not know for certain-someone else can confirm that.

Take a deep, cleansing breath, and know that at heart, this is a good bunch of people.

Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (7q2ch)

433 So that's why they are so important: they have multiple children.

Posted by: MacGruber at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (kQBSd)

Mark Levine can talk about the increase in productivity of our manufacturing, you notice he didn't talk about jobs created, but the truth is we need fewer, and fewer low skilled laborers. This is like slavery all over again. The elite class is demanding low skill cheap labor to create a short term economic benefit, that we'll be paying for with social unrest for centuries after that benefit has evaporated.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (RAFM0)

434 So a candidate should instead preface everything with "when me, Congress, and the Supreme Court all agree"?

One of the things I don't care for online is the way people will not just read and ponder, but must throw huge false dichotomies around as a substitute for deep thought.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (39g3+)

435 Is there any position of Trump's that he HASN'T flip-flopped on over the years, or even over the course of this very campaign?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (+Fl7e)

436 My bet ... Ace writes in Mike Flynn in November.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (zfvHs)

437 Fuck off.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (R+30W)

What part of Ace's commenting policy was unclear to you?

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (wqVD1)

438 Maybe Trump has seen the system up close and personal and he hates it.Is itimpossible for you peopleto consider that he is an aging billionaire who doesn't need more money and wants to do something meaninful in the last part of his life?
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (lKyWE)

_____

Their hatred is so deep they can't think rationally. They whine all day about politicians getting rich. So the answer is elect someone who is already rich and doesn't need to be bribed, right? FUCK NO!! For you see Trump is so rich that because he's rich he will take even more bribes because he's that rich. Or something.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

439 let alone block immigration.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (39g3+)

And they're actually effectively blocking Christian immigration as we speak!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:52 PM (wYnyS)

440 "Why, it's almost as if he has one set of claims he makes to a Republican audience, guessing what they want to hear, and now has a second set of claims he's trotting out for a general election audience, now guessing what they want to hear."

So what? On his worst day, he's better than Hillary. Any Republican is better than Hillary. And if you think Cruz wouldn't be getting hammered non-stop by the MSM if he was in first place, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you really need to take a look at. It's priced to sell.

Posted by: Dogstar at March 22, 2016 12:52 PM (M2J+R)

441 After 9-11, this country needed somebody consequential at its helm. After the presidency got away from him, after Bush, this country needed somebody to mop up what he (Bush) was incapible of dealing with. We go Obama. And now after this asshat, not only this country, but the world needs somebody at the helm of the previously greatest country on the planet. (Hasn't deserved that honorific for decades, btw) But what we have is this fucking clown show. A carnival barker, a criminal, a preacher, a fucking full blown socialist for christsakes, and a loser who looks like he walked right out of the role of Harold Hill in The Music Man (that's Kasich, if you hadn't guessed).

When it's over, it's over.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 22, 2016 12:52 PM (4ng05)

442 432
He has supported Republicans too.
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (lKyWE)

____

Don't confuse the Trump Hate Brigade with facts.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (0LHZx)

443 Find me a billionaire who has never bribed a politician.

I'll wait....
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (0LHZx)

Is this supposed to convince others to vote for trump or is this the gold and shiny version of Tu Quoque? How many logical fallacies will Trump supporters throw against the wall to convince rational thinking people before they figure out no one believes it?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (/E+t2)

444 The problem is that Trump critics don't believe he actually has the nation's best interest at heart.

At this late date, in order to actually defend our borders, enforce the law, and demand respect for our culture and citizenship from the people who come to live here, you will have to defy both legal and social precedent.

The American people are ready to do this, but many still find Trump personally odious. They need to believe that he at least really does care about the country, even if they can't convince themselves he'll *do* everything he claims.

If you really believed him, this verbal misstep wouldn't be an issue to you. So he needs to bridge his credibility gap.

All the shouting in the world from myself and jwest and whoever else isn't going to do that. He has to do that.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (xuouz)

445 >>>
Maybe Trump has seen the system up close and personal and he hates it.Is itimpossible for you peopleto consider that he is an aging billionaire who doesn't need more money and wants to do something meaninful in the last part of his life?
****

Is it possible for you to consider all the things Trump has said and done throughout his life and during this campaign instead of making the foundation of your belief in him based on complete speculation of a hidden morality or super secret three dimensional chess game that there is no evidence of and he has done everything in his power to demonstrate does not exist?

Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (XItbt)

446 OK, I listened to the interview. "I never said shut it down" was in response to an economic question about the northern border. He then goes on to say we can't let these people in. I assume he meant refugees. I did not hear him back off the temporary ban.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)

447 But see they will never do that to Cruz. I've firmly come to believe its now a messiah complex with him.-------Skeezix

Pot...kettle...projection...

Posted by: Flaming Clown Boner at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (+aCe4)

448 Former Cruz employer and current top fund-raiser Goldman Sachs gave money to DWS and Pelosi. They also signed the Obergefells Amicus for SSM.

That's just one of his backers.

Keep telling people he's the outsider when we all can see the strings.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (1sooF)

449 Well, did anyone change anyone else's mind today?

I guess we're done with hearts and minds etc. and just going for guts and nuts.

Week after week, day after day, thread after thread, it's the never-ending brawl.

One would think there's a beer bottle shortage coming soon.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (kKHcp)

450 So, AOS is the HQ of anti-Trump forces? Too bad. Don't look now but that's Hillary Clinton over there laughing at you.

Posted by: truth fairy at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (Gv4du)

451 445 Fuck off.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:48 PM (R+30W)

What part of Ace's commenting policy was unclear to you?

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:51 PM (wqVD1)

++++

I told another commenter - who told me to not comment here anymore - to fuck off. I have seen ace himself tell people to fuck off. So, I am unclear about which part of his policy you are referring to.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (R+30W)

452 I see. It was the other interview - not the one they have on the page. The CBS video won't play on my browser so I can't hear what the actual context of the comment is. Every other interview I've heard Trump give on this has been fine, though - better than fine - so I wouldn't make too much of this without having actually heard it. People who hate Trump are just going to hate him. Nothing can be done about that.

Thanks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (zc3Db)

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So the Hill chops and dices TWO SEPARATE INTERVIEWS completely leaving out any context and the actual questions.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (LXJ1e)

453 OK, I listened to the interview. "I never said shut it down" was in response to an economic question about the northern border. He then goes on to say we can't let these people in. I assume he meant refugees. I did not hear him back off the temporary ban.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)

Thanks, Duke. I figured it was something like that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (zc3Db)

454 Posted by: MacGruber at March 22, 2016 12:42 PM (kQBSd)

But, see they're not creating wealth or participating in society as such.

Many stay on welfare (jizya) and they provide a constant source of disruption and danger.

Just for the privilege of having them here we have to tie our society in knots (see Homeland Security, etc)

If you just want bodies, it makes much more sense to let in Mexicans, etc- because they are Christian and will adapt better to American society, but still there's the eternal welfare issue.

If you want warm bodies who will work and create wealth- Chinese and various flavors of Asian are a good choice and they seem to fit into American society quite well.

But, muslims have the double strike of a deadly/chaos-inducing/anti-progress/hostile belief system plus staying on welfare for ever as they believe is their due (see jizya).

So, math just doesn't explain anything. If we need warm bodies, there are much better choices.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (0cMkb)

455 Every muzzie coming into the U.S. should be waterboarded to reveal their true intentions. That would be my screening process.

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (Fmupd)

Oh how I hope Trump selects for head of ICE!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (wYnyS)

456 Find me a billionaire who has never bribed a politician.

Yeah, I don't think this is a defense of Donald Trump, but it certainly is a condemnation of the state of politics and cronyism.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (39g3+)

457 Read Mein Kampf... I mean Art of the Steal.....I mean Art of the Deal and you see exactly how the sleazeball handles his 'deals'. Everything is fair in love, war, and deals.

Why this ass is the GOP frontrunner I will never understand.

Posted by: Dave at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (hm8tW)

458 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 22, 2016 12:52 PM (4ng05)

This. +1

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (zrsn3)

459 Is this supposed to convince others to vote for trump or is this the gold and shiny version of Tu Quoque? How many logical fallacies will Trump supporters throw against the wall to convince rational thinking people before they figure out no one believes it?
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (/E+t2)

_____

Go vote for the candidate who has never had so much as a speeding ticket. I guess that's the new yardstick for the Trump Hate Brigade, Mr. Pure. Because that's exactly who you want fighting Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi, Mr. Nice Guy.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (0LHZx)

460
It's Planet of the Orange Apes around here.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:49 PM (/E+t2)

We gotta keep a civil tone around here or we're banned, that is unless you're insulting someone who supports Trump, and then it's cool.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (RAFM0)

461 Go away. If you don't like how Ace's opinion of trump on his OWN BLOG, then go somewhere else.

I suggest Breitbart. I also suggest wearing a face guard. You'll need it.
Posted by: Arson Wells

but you plan to vote Hillary. why should anyone listen to you?

Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (nFwvY)

462
Barry was going to release a statement about the attacks in Belgium but he can't speak Belgian so he skipped it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (493sH)

463 I see AtC here almost daily.

Willow seems to have disappeared though, which is unfortunate.

Nap time before work. Later peeps.

Posted by: Blano at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (NHQQx)

464 La la la, everyone grind your axes.

Mikey has put in a massive order of "Whet'n Ready" whetstones and "Like a Cloth?" textile wiping devices so there's no excuse for you not to grind that axe.

Grind it! Mmmfff!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (xuouz)

465 284
Ginger hottie on FNC right now say that ISIS' goal is to move the war
from the ME to the west. I think she has a good point. Did I mention
she was a hottie?

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:30 PM (Fmupd)

If that was Jenna Lee she is also married to a Navy Seal.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (t2KH5)

466
Read Mein Kampf... I mean Art of the Steal.....

enter: Godwin

Folks, let's call it a night.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (o2321)

467 I'm not sure why all the angst. He was always flawed, and the GOP has shown repeated, overt signs that they are going to install whom THEY want.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (326rv)

468 Yeah, I don't think this is a defense of Donald Trump, but it certainly is a condemnation of the state of politics and cronyism.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (39g3+)

__

FFS you think this is something new? I hate to break the news, but corruption in politics has been around since politics started.

I mean come on.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (0LHZx)

469 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (R+30W)

Gratuitous personal attacks. It's pretty clear - there's a difference between criticism and sheer personal attacks. I can't understand it for you.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (wqVD1)

470 457 ... I dunno', I'm waffling between Trump/Cruz/Trying Cocaine in the primary.

So maybe the back and forth is beneficial.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (zfvHs)

471 I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to manufacturing.

What they want is a different form of automation: robotic Dim voters.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (LUgeY)

Did you listen to Levine last night? If not then you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (RAFM0)

472 MUMR, your all-caps posts are irritating, if for no other reason than that you appear to be continually shouting. Hit the CapsLock button, please.

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (4boI/)

473 OK, I listened to the interview. "I never said shut it down" was in response to an economic question about the northern border. He then goes on to say we can't let these people in. I assume he meant refugees. I did not hear him back off the temporary ban.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)

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Well then I think Ace ought to have an update with clarification.

This type of jump on Trump crap happens and 90% of the time it is relaying of false reporting.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (LXJ1e)

474 Read Mein Kampf... I mean Art of the Steal.....I mean Art of the Deal

Something tells me you've read neither.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (39g3+)

475 The GOPe/Trump Hate Brigade has fought Trump 100X more in a year than they fought Obama in the past 7 years.

But yeah, dude, you're like totes conservative and stuff. Hey, how's that Obamacare repeal bill coming along?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (0LHZx)

476 Read Mein Kampf... I mean Art of the Steal.....I mean Art of the Deal and you see exactly how the sleazeball handles his 'deals'. Everything is fair in love, war, and deals.
Why this ass is the GOP frontrunner I will never understand.
Posted by: Dave at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (hm8tW)

Because playing by the rules has lost us our country.

Also way to adhere to the leftist style-guide.

You completely undermine yourself when you start with a(n inelegant) Hitler comparison and THEN make the appeal to reason.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (xuouz)

477 I'm not seeing a problem here. With President Obama, none of you people would let him be clear. And now with Donald Trump, it couldn't be more clear.

Win-win!

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (UzPAd)

478 Julian: Guess what?
Cyrus: What?
Julian: This is my gun now, so fuck off!
Cyrus: No, you fuck off!
Julian: No, you fuck off!
Cyrus: No, you fuck off!
Ricky: Cyrus, you fuck off first and then we'll fuck off!
Bubbles: Ricky, just - everybody, we'll all fuck off at the same time. Calm down.
Ricky: I'm not fuckin' off.
Cyrus: Well, then I guess we're gonna fucking stand still, aren't we Ricky?
Ricky: Yeah, I know how to fix that.
Cyrus: How?
Ricky: Fuck off!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (2cS/G)

479 Brussels is burning.

It doesn't matter much what Trump says anymore.
The idea of Trump has taken a life of its own.

http://youtu.be/BsNXmQQSSp0

Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (cbfNE)

480 Oh No! Please tell that Slapweasel didn't get banned. That's terrible if it's true.
:-(

Posted by: L, Elle at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (2x3L+)

481 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to go out and buy some candles for tonight's vigil. We are all Belgians today.

*coughs*

Posted by: Soona at March 22, 2016 12:58 PM (Fmupd)

482 Pretty mendacious post, dude

Posted by: zzBottom at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (7YFuT)

483 Source of Trump's speeches found ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbINrdyAXlE

Posted by: Daesh at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (e8kgV)

484
Is it possible for you to consider all the things Trump has said and done throughout his life and during this campaign instead of making the foundation of your belief in him based on complete speculation of a hidden morality or super

I see,So you're saying Trump in his 50 years of doing busuness hasn't donated millions in charity or done any work to improve the lives of others?

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (lKyWE)

485 Please don't let the current crop of pols fix the
IRS. End Withholding, wait two political cycles (4 years), and then let
that team of politicians fix the IRS.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 12:45 PM (cXiMR)
You have hit the jackbox! Make people write the damned checks and see what really happens.We make sure our employees see what it costs us to pay them vs. what they get... Before sales tax, even lowly paid folks only get about 60%.

Posted by: MarkY at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (i022r)

486 OK, I listened to the interview. "I never said shut it down" was in response to an economic question about the northern border. He then goes on to say we can't let these people in. I assume he meant refugees. I did not hear him back off the temporary ban.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 12:53 PM (kTF2Z)

lol if this is true we're in clown-shoes land.

Excuse me! Excuse me, please fuck off with the primary sources. We are building a narrative here!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (xuouz)

487 491 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to go out and buy some candles for tonight's vigil. We are all Belgians today.

_____

Did we stop being Parisians? I didn't get the memo.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (0LHZx)

488 but you plan to vote Hillary. why should anyone listen to you?
Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 12:56 PM (nFwvY)

So.

You're voting for trump and I'm voting for hilliary to beat him out of spite. Got a problem with that Guy Who Thinks He's Donald Trump?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (/E+t2)

489 >>Well, did anyone change anyone else's mind today?

My mind was changed by the comments on this thread. I used to think that being a Trump supporter meant I was a racist, lowbrow, foam-flecked prole.

I now believe that it means I'm racist, lowbrow, foam-flecked prole whose candidate is a sui generis gawd-damned hypocrite.

Gratia.

Posted by: General Zod at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (Bdeb0)

490 >>>484 The GOPe/Trump Hate Brigade has fought Trump 100X more in a year than they fought Obama in the past 7 years.
But yeah, dude, you're like totes conservative and stuff. Hey, how's that Obamacare repeal bill coming along?

I'm sorry Keyboard Kommando, what the fuck have YOU done to 'fight' Obama the last 7 years?

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (MCmqp)

491
FFS you think this is something new? I hate to break the news, but corruption in politics has been around since politics started.

I think we both can agree its gotten worse lately. As government's power and scope grows, the amount of time and money corporations have to spend on politicians and lawmaking increases.

I doubt J.P. Morgan spent much at all on politics, back then you were free to do whatever the hell you wanted as a big businessman. He bailed out the entire US government at times.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:00 PM (39g3+)

492 I see,So you're saying Trump in his 50 years of doing busuness hasn't donated millions in charity or done any work to improve the lives of others?
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (lKyWE)

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Or employed thousands of people. I'm old enough to remember when Republicans and so called conservatives used to celebrate succesful people who built businesses and employed people.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:00 PM (0LHZx)

493 http://youtu.be/BsNXmQQSSp0

Hell yeah love the name of the guy who posted that!

Posted by: Alex Jones at March 22, 2016 01:00 PM (LYCUN)

494 >>>487

*Holds up scorecard*
*9.4*
*golf claps from the gallery*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 01:00 PM (xuouz)

495 Ahhh...there's a familiar face. Good to "see" you, L, Elle.

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (4boI/)

496 Raid underway in Belgium. Grow a pair Belgies and really fucking make the savages pay. Go all medieval on them
Posted by: TheQuietMan

The fact that we know there is a raid underway is part of the problem.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (cXiMR)

497 For all you Trump enthusiasts, every time I read cuck or cuckservative, I hear Neo Nazi. Just so you know. Not persuasive

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 12:40 PM (zOTsN)

I hear neo-nazi, too, but I'm thinking most are just echoing the pejorative without understanding its insinuations. I gather the 'cuck' part is short for 'cuckhold', a not-so-subtle allusion to miscegenation.

But that's okay. Let them use the term, wittingly or not. It's a good shorthand way to recognize Stormfront assholes.

Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (UWlp+)

498 409 351 I'm sure this is just further evidence of what a good brain Trump has, a brain that says a lot of things.

Jesus Fucking Christ, Ace. You are showing the deficiencies in your own brain. You are usually pretty careful about checking things out before you put your own name to them. But not with Trump. You are in the grips of hysteria. The question asked of Trump at CBS had to do with all the trucks coming across the Canadian border and the disruption it would cause to shut that border down. Trump points out he never said close the border. You can skip ahead to around the 4:30 mark.
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/donald-trump-on-belgium-terror-attack/

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:38 PM (R+30W)

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If that's the case, then that is complete BS on ace's part for taking The Hill's reporting at face value. Ace owe's Donald J. Trump an apology.

Unfortunately I can't access the CBS report.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:46 PM (LXJ1e)
___________________

Don't worry about Ace. He still thinks he has an election to win. He hasn't quite come to terms with the new GOP. He still thinks Cruz has a chance. He will snap out of this odd condition once the effects of his DJTDS wear off.

Posted by: tommylotto at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (A3a8d)

499
So if I have this right, we need to destroy and smear Trump and vote for Hillary Clinton or not vote at all because Trump is going to lose very badly to Clinton?

Sounds like a plan!

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (o2321)

500 Just to be clear - that "mouse" isn't me (the one in Texas)

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (uiVGU)

501 "Gratuitous personal attacks. It's pretty clear - there's a difference between criticism and sheer personal attacks. I can't understand it for you.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (wqVD1)"

WTF? This blog IS Gratuitous personal attacks. Why do you think we call ourselves morons?

Posted by: Dogstar at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (M2J+R)

502 The wall idea has problems even with people who suffer from criminal migration, (google tohono o'odham border wall)

Posted by: drgreatcham at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (1RgUP)

503 A battalion of Texas Rangers in charge of homeland security. Each one has hire and fire on the spot authority over the whole apparatus.

Secede. It's our only hope.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (+abOm)

504 The problem is that Trump critics don't believe he actually has the nation's best interest at heart.

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No I just believe he is a progovernment liberal. But that is only based on his past actions and statements.

Posted by: SH at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (gmeXX)

505 I do think that one clear path to Trump winning the general is if, God forbid, other terrorist attacks happen closer to the election.

I'm actually revisiting my entirely hypothetical decision to stay home if it was Trump vs Sanders. Trump would be better than any Democrat at fighting terrorism, IMO. He isn't anti-American, for one.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (uz/Pv)

506 So the Hill chops and dices TWO SEPARATE INTERVIEWS completely leaving out any context and the actual questions.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (LXJ1e)
^^^^THIS^^^^

That's all this is. And clickbait, which I guess worked

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (kXzR8)

507 478 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 12:54 PM (R+30W)

Gratuitous personal attacks. It's pretty clear - there's a difference between criticism and sheer personal attacks. I can't understand it for you.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 12:57 PM (wqVD1)

++++

It was not a personal attack. I did not name call him. I did not denigrate him for his ideas. I responded to him telling me not to comment at this site, with an emphatic no. If commenters are never allowed to tell other commenters to fuck off, this is a new policy - one that has never been stated by ace, at lest as far as I am aware. As I said, I have seen ace do the same himself in the comments section. True, it is his blog, so if he wants to reserve that right fore himself, he can. But, he has never said so.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (R+30W)

508 I think we both can agree its gotten worse lately. As government's power and scope grows, the amount of time and money corporations have to spend on politicians and lawmaking increases.

I doubt J.P. Morgan spent much at all on politics, back then you were free to do whatever the hell you wanted as a big businessman. He bailed out the entire US government at times.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:00 PM (39g3+)

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Nah. I don't think it's worse or better. Powerful people with money get to call the shots. As true in 2016 as 1916 as 1816 as 816. The method may be different but the result is the same.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

509 I'm sorry Keyboard Kommando, what the fuck have YOU done to 'fight' Obama the last 7 years?

He's right about the GOP though. I don't know what I'm supposed to have done about Obamacare or the president in the last 7 years other than try to point out his flaws and vote against him.

But the GOP has had zillions of chances and done virtually nothing, but they're pulling out all the stops and spending millions to stop Trump. That says a lot.

Compare and contrast:

John McCain: "we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency."
GOP elite: "its going to be hard to vote for Hillary if Trump wins the nomination."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (39g3+)

510 The fact that we know there is a raid underway is part of the problem.

Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 01:01 PM (cXiMR)

How often does a scum sucking politician get to appear on TV and seem to be doing something?

Visuals >> Security!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (wYnyS)

511 What happened to "Trump is a genius for moving the Overton Window" on the leftist narratives?

Yeah, a complete ban sucked the oxygen out of the room and talking heads went nuts. Within a day Trump said there would be exceptions, but the window had moved. Now discussion is "only if we can really vet them", but Trump still wants camps over there for refugees, while Hillary just said she wants at least 65,000 here (in addition to the million or two visa folks I guess).

And the agitprop (lies and spin) are so thick, it is hard to keep up. Trump said NATO was costing us way too much, and Europe is not pulling its weight. He did not say we would leave, but that we can't keep funding all the wars. Good point.

And how did NATO stop the Muslim invasion of Europe anyway? Cruz said today's attack proves we need NATO, but since the EU has chosen multi-culti Muslim invasion for over a decade, are we supposed to put troops into their cities to root them out house to house?

Trump has complained about US funding the wars since Kuwait, who was rich in oil yet didn't pay us. He has complained about the Dem and Bush/RINO globalists selling out American manufacturing since 1990 as well. Those are his big issues for crossover votes.

Less War, More Trade.

America First versus the corrupt globalists.

That is not "just like Hillary", nor "just like Hitler".

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (N8i7l)

512 Shut it down!

--Mr. Book.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (7ejOp)

513 I see The Donald Principle is in full effect.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (2d71x)

514 Hi creeper. So the Trump Cruz wars continue unabated on every comment thread still, I see. This stopped being fun a month ago.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (2x3L+)

515 Nah. I don't think it's worse or better. Powerful people with money get to call the shots.

Well, sure, that's what money is. Its quantified power. But that's not the same as needing to "donate" huge sums of money just to do business.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:04 PM (39g3+)

516 Excuse me! Excuse me, please fuck off with the primary sources. We are building a narrative here!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 12:59 PM (xuouz)

but it's a stupid narrative. The vast majority that support Trump aren't even going to be aware of the pretend inconsistency. We are, figuratively, a bunch of geeks sitting around and arguing about whether Han Solo shot first.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 01:04 PM (RAFM0)

517 And thanks to the epic dbag Kasich, Trump will be "our" nominee.

Posted by: Lauren at March 22, 2016 01:04 PM (BMCq5)

518 New NYT Poll has Trump at 46% - Cruz at 26%
17% of R would NOT vote for Trump
19% of R would NOT vote for Cruz

Guess the #NeverTrump movement really is an insider, not a general population thing

Posted by: Christi at March 22, 2016 01:04 PM (QeeWu)

519 >>And thanks to the epic dbag Kasich, Trump will be "our" nominee.

Mr. Trump prefers to think of you as "his" chattel voter. You're welcome.

Posted by: General Zod at March 22, 2016 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)

520 I'm resigned to President Hillary. Might as well enjoy the show.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (uq1eJ)
*************************
Shrillary Must Not Be Elected!

"Come & Take It"- they will.
The Left is salivating.
This time it's serious. We will never recover as too much is at stake.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2016 01:05 PM (7GQM/)

521 I do not need a loose cannon amateur such as Donald Trump to be vague with his policy ideas and shift them to match the prevailing political winds. There are plenty of well-known professional politicians already doing that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:05 PM (hLRSq)

522
Why do you assume Kasick's support would go to Cruz?

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (o2321)

523 Governance has changed so drammatically in such a relatively short period of time that this country and the world hasn't been able to either keep up with it, or come to grips with it. I believe it basically started in ~1989 with the commercialization of the internet, but I won't dwell on that.

At first it was information, and then it became control of the information, and now it is control of the manipulation of the information. Every damned jot of information that we come in contact with has been manipulated to influence you in one way or another. Before, back in the AT&T 'Ma Bell' days, there were natural monopolies. Now, in the information age, there are natural oligarchies, or perhaps, natural plutocracies. There is information - a lot of it, but as the minister of magic in Harry Potter said, "... whether the truth is among it, its hard to tell."

Until the black and white of truth vs. lies, and good vs. evil comes back into predominance, instead of all of this manifest relativistic bullshit, this will not get better, me thinks.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (4ng05)

524 Shut it down = end it.
I'm just an idiot hick, but Trump didn't say end it -- he said a temporary ban until we can figure out what's going on.
Parse it to make temporary ban = permanent end all you want but he never said he would shut it down.
Doesn't matter what the truth is -- only the narrative.
And the narrative isn't pro-Cruz. It's #NeverTrump

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (lZaEn)

525 Compare and contrast:

John McCain: "we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency."

GOP elite: "its going to be hard to vote for Hillary if Trump wins the nomination."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:03 PM (39g3+)

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Excellent point.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

526 I do not need a loose cannon amateur such as Donald Trump to be vague with his policy ideas and shift them to match the prevailing political winds. There are plenty of well-known professional politicians already doing that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:05 PM (hLRSq)

Trump didn't shift anything. The article that ace based this post on was full of shit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (zc3Db)

527 I remember when Reagan was getting his ass kicked by Carter in the early polls. I remember when Dukakis was ahead of George H W BUSH by 20 FUCKING POINTS in AUGUST.

Yep. I remember those things.

Posted by: Dogstar at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (M2J+R)

528 So the Trump Cruz wars continue unabated on every comment thread still, I see. This stopped being fun a month ago.

This is what happened to many of the regulars, for those who were wondering.

They're still here, they just avoid this kind of post like the plague. And as soon as the Trump wars start up a gain, they leave.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (39g3+)

529 @527

Exactly. Zombie has pointed out as much.

Posted by: GeoSTI at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (0e/Wy)

530 Less War More Jobs, I should have said ... though there would still be trade.

And a tax on imports would be a reversion to the norm, and the norm used to be that those "tariffs" funded a lot of government spending.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (N8i7l)

531 Nah. I don't think it's worse or better. Powerful people with money get to call the shots. As true in 2016 as 1916 as 1816 as 816. The method may be different but the result is the same.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

But, for a short while in America, the powerful people with money were somewhat discreet about their ability to call most of the shots. Now they flaunt their power daily and laughing and spitting on the peons!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (wYnyS)

532 17% of R would NOT vote for Trump
19% of R would NOT vote for Cruz

Guess the #NeverTrump movement really is an insider, not a general population thing
Posted by: Christi at March 22, 2016 01:04 PM (QeeWu)

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Or put differently....17-19% of people call themselves Republican but have no intention of ever voting for one.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (0LHZx)

533 It's spelled cuckold.

It has connotations of race but originates in Shakespearean times to describe any man whose wife has cheated on him - with a connotation of his not knowing. In modern pron it means a scene where a woman is fucked in front of her husband and he doesn't just know, he likes it.

That's where the "bunny ears" thing in pictures comes from. A cuckold was referred to coloquially as a "horned bird" and the "bunny ears" are actually horns.

I don't support using it in discussion and I was aware of all of this before the "cuckservative" thing went down because I wrote a paper on the ~1600s play "the Country Wife" and characters in it call each other cuckolds almost as much as 4chan members do today.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (xuouz)

534 Now let's never speak of this bullshit again

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (xuouz)

535 As a person who would gladly vote for Ted, I can't say that I am not disappointed in him as a candidate. We can try to foist all the blame for his inability to take the nomination on the "establishment". But if he was/is unable to fend off those GIANT obstacles of Rubio and Kasich to get his desired one v one with DT he is a weak candidate.
Further, I am sorry to say there is a better than even chance he would have lost to DT even if it had been mano a weasel early on. For all the talk of how the vote was split between all the nonTrumpsters, the fact is that Donald spread his special love sauce across everyone. If he had spent the energy he used destroying Rubio and Ben and Jeb and focused entirely on Ted....well, I like Ted but Donald is amazingly effective.

Anyway...I'll vote for the bastard. Even if this is some dreaded "change in position", I long ago resigned myself to the fact that this is par for the course for the political "class". Even soon to be anointed Ted has adjusted on some things during this cycle.
I can't see a scenario that makes me feel more safe to live in a country run by Hillary than him. Plus there is the added bonus of enjoying the squirming of the likes of McConnel et al.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (1H9ox)

536
No I just believe he is a progovernment liberal. But that is only based on his past actions and statements.

Posted by: SH at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (gmeXX)

So in other words you're accusing him of being a Republican.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (RAFM0)

537
Anyone in the mood for something funny? This vid cracks me up every time.

(warming: this might not be everyone's cup of tea)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DWS8uzr1dE

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (o2321)

538 So the Trump Cruz wars continue unabated on every comment thread still, I see. This stopped being fun a month ago.

This is what happened to many of the regulars, for those who were wondering.

They're still here, they just avoid this kind of post like the plague. And as soon as the Trump wars start up a gain, they leave.

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This is what happens in a primary fight for control and the soul of the party. It becomes nasty.

Posted by: SH at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (gmeXX)

539 Why do you assume Kasick's support would go to Cruz?

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (o2321)

Because every plan to stop Trump is based on the assumption that voters are like chips and a candidate can give them to another candidate.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (hLRSq)

540 >>> The problem is that Trump critics don't believe he actually has the nation's best interest at heart.
*****
Problem 1: The one thing Trump has been unshakably consistent for his entire life and throughout this campaign is that the only interests he has at his heart are his own.

Problem 2: Electing people who "have the nation's best interests at heart" is the reason things are the way they are. Thank you very much, I prefer to think for myself and take care of myself first. Then, if I choose, I can take care of my community. Then, we we choose, we can give to the country. What you are describing is socialism. Ask Jonestown and Plymouth how we'll the "community first" idea worked out.

>>> At this late date, in order to actually defend our borders, enforce the law, and demand respect for our culture and citizenship from the people who come to live here, you will have to defy both legal and social precedent.
*****

So, martial law until moral improves? When people all think and act in accordance woth what the State defines as correct, Country First thinking, you will consider relaxing your iron gripe.

I have an alternative answer to your concerns. Dust off the Constitution, make it the law of the land without emanations, penumbras, modern interpretation, or expansion of minute clauses to overturn every Article and the entire point of the document. Everyone who lives here and serves in government agrees that the constitution is the law of the land and chooses to live under it's model or take the actions defined in its text to change it.

Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (XItbt)

541 We gotta keep a civil tone around here or we're banned, that is unless you're insulting someone who supports Trump, and then it's cool.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 12:55 PM (RAFM0)

You clearly haven't frequented this site for very long. If you had, you would know the banhammer is largely indifferent to partisan preferences. However, I do know directly or indirectly insulting Ace, the site'sowner, is a good way to get attention, so please, do go on.

Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (UWlp+)

542 I call mulligan.

Posted by: America at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (3Rr8K)

543 L'Elle @525 I keep reading through, hoping to see something new and refreshing. But it's always the SOS.

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (4boI/)

544 IS has released a statement claiming responsibility for the attacks. The terror organization said it targeted Belgium for its participation 'in the international coalition against the Islamic State.'

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (mEZce)

545 Yep. I remember those things.

I didn't remember the Dukakis thing, I don't remember him ever having the lead.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (39g3+)

546 Trump says build a 100 foot tall wall, paid for by Mexico and decorated in gold with giant DT signs every 1000 feet. That's because when you enter into negotiations you ask for all sorts of shit you don't really want but are used as bargaining chips. So the 100 foot wall paid for Mexico ends up with hire an extra 10K border agents and stop the catch and release program.

Good enough for me.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (0LHZx)

547 I'm resigned to President Hillary. Might as well enjoy the show.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (uq1eJ)

If Hillary is elected, it will be because this theater, these roles we've been enlisted to play in the play without our even being aware of it, have been designed to make it so.

Break a leg.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (4ng05)

548 354 All you new "conservatives" here act exactly like leftists. Don't like what I say? Fuck you, shut up, go away. You're the mirror of BLM, SJWs.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 12:39 PM (0LHZx)

LOL...what a clown. A few words for your vocabulary...projection and self-reflection. Read up you might learn something.

BTW, you really did come over from Breitbart, didn't you?

Posted by: Matty at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (+ULpH)

549 The old bag fled across the desert, and the Golden Hair Weasel followed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (zfvHs)

550 No I just believe he is a progovernment liberal. But that is only based on his past actions and statements.

Posted by: SH at March 22, 2016 01:02 PM (gmeXX)

So in other words you're accusing him of being a Republican.

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Touche.

Some Republicans are more republicans than other republicans - depending on what you mean by republican.

Posted by: SH at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (gmeXX)

551 CBS news just gave us the latest on the attack in "Brussels, Belgium."

For the geographically challenged.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (U6f54)

552 Blogger: We can't elect candidate A because he says things that are too far right.

Candidate A then adds to what he says by taking into consideration what Blogger demands he is supposed to say.

Blogger: We can't elect candidate A because he now says things that aren't too far right.

Posted by: doug at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (URubP)

553 Of course, the president can eliminate the IRS. He does it like this - He directs the Justice dept to not prosecute those who don't pay taxes. Done, no?

Posted by: ajsirch at March 22, 2016 01:11 PM (dHkgR)

554 564 CBS news just gave us the latest on the attack in "Brussels, Belgium."

--

All this time I thought it was in Brussels, Sprouts

Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 01:11 PM (cbfNE)

555 New NYT Poll has Trump at 46% - Cruz at 26%
17% of R would NOT vote for Trump
19% of R would NOT vote for Cruz

Guess the #NeverTrump movement really is an insider, not a general population thing

Posted by: Christi at March 22, 2016 01:04 PM
....Where is that poll from? Just wondering.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 22, 2016 01:11 PM (btH0m)

556 sorry dude, equivocation is still better than any other candidate, by far actually (on this issue)

Posted by: Ben H at March 22, 2016 01:11 PM (gJEsZ)

557 >>I didn't remember the Dukakis thing

I hear Dukakis, and I'm reminded of Tsongas, and thinking of that reminds me of the era when the Dems had a bunch of hapless, tomato-can chumps battling in their primaries. Good times.

Posted by: General Zod at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

558 CBS news just gave us the latest on the attack in "Brussels, Belgium."

For the geographically challenged.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (U6f54)

I thought it was Helsinki, Sweden.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (4ng05)

559 BTW, you really did come over from Breitbart, didn't you?
Posted by: Matty at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (+ULpH)

__

I've been here for 4-5 years. You've been here for 4-5 hours maybe? LOL. Go play along with the rest of your HotAir friends, the adults are talking.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (0LHZx)

560 So those attacks are ineffective against Trump supporters who are not visualizing that same thing, merely get real and get serious about border protection and about immigration and on those two points I do believe you agree.

I hope you didn't throw your back out moving those goal posts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (39g3+)

561 "For the geographically challenged."

well, there's Brussels, WI

Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (IIlHS)

562 OMG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DWS8uzr1dE

I am so glad my Wife and Kids were not at home when I watched that.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (WVsWD)

563 Ace's political instincts have always been sound.

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (4YUWF)

564 Trump didn't shift anything. The article that ace based this post on was full of shit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (zc3Db)

Tough crowd here tonight, tough crowd - hey, you're all a wonderful audience and I'm glad you're here in the piano lounge of the Metro Airport Ramada Inn. Order up some more drinks, listen to the sound stylings of Alex and the Ravage and order another round.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (hLRSq)

565 I just made the connection. I landed at Brussels airport on my way to Uganda in January. Airport security struck naive little me as fairly stringent.

Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at March 22, 2016 01:13 PM (4rzL1)

566 >>>>He's right about the GOP though. I don't know what I'm supposed to have done about Obamacare or the president in the last 7 years other than try to point out his flaws and vote against him.

He's not talking about the GOP, on which we are in complete agreement.

He's questioning the principles and loyalty of people who don't support his chosen political candidate for the moment.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 01:13 PM (MCmqp)

567 I wonder

I think Kasichs supporters would go to Hillary given a choice between Cruz and Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 01:13 PM (zOTsN)

568 "I didn't remember the Dukakis thing, I don't remember him ever having the lead.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:09 PM (39g3+) "

http://tinyurl.com/zjmtqyq

Actually, I think it was 17 points, not 20. But whatever. It was August, after the Democrat National Convention.

Posted by: Dogstar at March 22, 2016 01:13 PM (M2J+R)

569 CBS news just gave us the latest on the attack in "Brussels, Belgium."

For the geographically challenged.

---

I can just see somebody asking if Brussels is in Idaho.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 01:13 PM (Qvgg/)

570

No shit, eh. The days of Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, Tsongas, Gary Hart, and Hubert Humphrey are over.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (o2321)

571

And you, you little puke, can fuck right off and
go back home and blow your Momma. I've forgotten more about
manufacturing than you'll ever know.

Kiss my ass.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (LUgeY)

I see they got the internet connection back up in the rec room, good for you.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (RAFM0)

572 The old bag fled across the desert, and the Golden Hair Weasel followed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 01:10 PM (zfvHs)

The only way out of this partisan drudgery is surrealist fiction based loosely on real-life events.

Wait a minute...

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (xuouz)

573 In December Trump said ban all Muslims. He got bashed for his over the top statements and as he always does, revises them down. In that case he revised it to a temporary halt. Most recently he reiterated that temp ban contrary to ace's post. So ace is incorrect for now. I expect Trump to do some more revision such as not banning all Muslims but having a better vetting process and letting just the 'good' ones in.

After all he was in favor of letting in the Syrian refugees until he wasn't.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (2d71x)

574 You know, now that I think about it, I have FBN on almost all the time, I'm pretty sure I heard that interview with Maria (I think it was a phone call interview) and i don't remember any "Hey, wait a minute, you said..." moments. He might have been less "in-your-face" about it though, the way he was in his original attention-getting statement.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (/q6+P)

575 hey look, it takes *time* to look up Brussels on google maps

you gotta work with people

Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (IIlHS)

576 Did Slapweasel get banned for realz?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (WVsWD)

577 I'm not getting why everyone thinks Kasich is out of the mix.

If it goes to a Brokered Convention,

who among Trump, Cruz and Kasich

has been reading chapter and verse out of

"The Big Book of GOPe and Donor Class Wet Dreams"?

It won't even be close...Kasich will get the nomination.

Look up the history of Brokered Conventions-

it usually wasn't the first place or even second place guy who walked away with the nom,

it was often the 3rd or 4th place guy or someone else entirely.

Romney may think he'll get a coronation,

but I'll bet it's Kasich who walks away with the nomination.

I hope Cruz wins, but I'm fine with Trump.

Among the also rans, I see no one I want as Prez but hey, convince me.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (0cMkb)

578 431---There is just so much the press will use against Cruz, an example being today's "they're not voting the way their God wants them to" about Evangelicals from Beck. Like it or not, it seems like Trump can get away with more than the other guys. The prss goes after him and peopke yawn.
Posted by: marinemom at March 22, 2016 12:50 PM (ep6ak)
----------------------
Why do you say Trump "gets away with it" more than the other guys? Why do you say the people "yawn?"

Do you not realize that his negatives are astronomically high? Do you not see that a high percentage of independents loathe him? Do you not realize, for example, that two (very reliable) polls in Virginia show that over 30% of REPUBLICANS in Va say they will never vote for him?

He "gets away with it" only with a very small slice of the general electorate, enough to win pluralities of primary votes in several states.
But the media's characterization of him as a vulgar, stupid, fascist, bigoted thug has worked. It may be unfair ---IMO, it is grossly unfair --- but it has worked.

And they, the MSM-DNC complex have only just begun their campaign. They will step it up in earnest if he gets the nomination.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (T/5A0)

579
That's how shitty George Bush was as a candidate. Dukakis almost beat him. By 1992 people were sick of his stupid ass.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (o2321)

580
Some Republicans are more republicans than other republicans - depending on what you mean by republican.

Yes the real Republicans skip important votes in a run up to a presidential elections so they can't get pinned down to a position

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (lKyWE)

581 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 22, 2016 01:06 PM (LUgeY)

banned

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (wqVD1)

582 I can't get that worked up about Trump talking out both sides of his mouth on this or any other issue. He is not my first choice and I would love to see Ted Cruz win enough delegates to avoid a brokered convention.

The thing is that after today, unless all the polls are wrong, the chances of Cruz getting those kinds of numbers are going to be approaching win the lottery levels.

That means we need to face the real possibility of a Trump vs.Hillary Clinton election.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (MpvuV)

583 CINOs:

2009-2015: Well what can you do, Obama will do what Obama does. That rascal! There's always (fill in the next election years). Not the hill to die on folks.

2016: Trump? We have to fight tooth and nail to stop this guy. I don't care what it costs, who gets hurt, do it. He must get stopped!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

584 Now who's lying, Donald?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (4AVeu)

585 >>>But see they will never do that to Cruz. I've firmly come to believe its now a messiah complex with him.

The most unintentionally hilarious comment of the day.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (MCmqp)

586 I voted for Cruz in the GA primary.

I will vote for the Republican nominee.

I like Trump just fine. In fact, I more than like him - I enjoy the conniption fits he inspires.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (bpn7O)

587 Yesterday I said Cruz would win Utah. I still think so, but I wonder if Trump will get more votes than expected because of the terror attacks.

Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (cbfNE)

588 Attack in Brussels. 9 Americans injured. 34 people dead.

I just watched Barack Obama and Fidel Castro's son (idiot) do the wave at a baseball game in Cuba. What a time to be alive.

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (mEZce)

589 Once upon a time I played D&D. Not very deeply into it, as I did have friends. But one interesting system they had for analyzing character was the "alignment system" of Chaotic Good, Chaotic Evil, Lawful Good, Lawful Evil (and Neutral versions of the same).

A sometimes useful, if crude tool to analyze a personality.

Although not my choice, I might prefer Chaotic Neutral to Organized Evil. But given the choice, I fear the country will just opt for more Lawful Evil. And, should Chaotic Neutral win (in the name of "Good") it may just ruin the brand of "Good" for a generation.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (3Rr8K)

590 Hey newbies. Don't shit in the living room, punch the host, and bum rush the old timers

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 01:17 PM (zOTsN)

591 So the guy who is currently on national TV calling for waterboarding terrorist suspects is really just Trump pivoting for the General? Does that really make sense to anyone here?

As much as many want a total ban, Trump has never called for a Muslim ban, just a pause in Muslims coming to America until we can figure it out. What Ace has here is vague statements that don't clearly contradict his earlier statements. I wouldn't be suppressed if he re-afrims his temporary ban once he and his team realize how it came across.

Posted by: BomberCommand at March 22, 2016 01:17 PM (7us0J)

592 Actually, I think it was 17 points, not 20. But whatever. It was August, after the Democrat National Convention.
Posted by: Dogstar

Nixon in 72 and Reagan in 84 were probably the only 2 times in about the last 56 years that the Republican didn't trail in the polls at some point.

but polls.

Posted by: x at March 22, 2016 01:17 PM (nFwvY)

593
Do you not realize that his negatives are astronomically high? Do you not see that a high percentage of independents loathe him? Do you not realize, for example, that two (very reliable) polls in Virginia show that over 30% of REPUBLICANS in Va say they will never vote for him?

Carl Rove is that you? i don't pay any attention to your stupid whiteboard anymore

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 01:17 PM (lKyWE)

594 That's how shitty George Bush was as a candidate. Dukakis almost beat him. By 1992 people were sick of his stupid ass.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (o2321)

______

He won 53-45....that's landslide territory for presidential elections. Dukakis was nowhere near almost beating him.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:17 PM (0LHZx)

595
I see,So you're saying Trump in his 50 years of doing busuness
hasn't donated millions in charity or done any work to improve the lives
of others?

_________

Just like the Clintons.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (MIKMs)

596 I hope you didn't throw your back out moving those goal posts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (39g3+)

I don't always move goalposts, but when I do I use a front end loader.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (hLRSq)

597
I've been here for 4-5 years. You've been here
for 4-5 hours maybe? LOL. Go play along with the rest of your HotAir
friends, the adults are talking.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:12 PM (0LHZx)

hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. There has always been a lot of cross over between HA and AoSHQ. Matter of fact I think that AP and Ace have a very special relationship.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (RAFM0)

598 I like Trump just fine. In fact, I more than like him - I enjoy the conniption fits he inspires.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (bpn7O)

You and me both. It reminds me some of RWR's run in 1980. 24 news just adds to the fun.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (WVsWD)

599
You're not banning BBoy for fuck's sake.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (o2321)

600 Obama greeting Rachel Robinson, widow of Jackie Robinson, before Rays-Cuba baseball game.

Obama chewing his signature Nicorette gum during the baseball game in Cuba

A true leader for the times

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (mEZce)

601 So, AOS is the HQ of anti-Trump forces?

I wish. Alas, the anti-Trump forces seem to be powerless to sway his supporters.

You demanded a Conservative candidate
You get a Conservative candidate
You will vote for the Liberal

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (evdj2)

602 Trump is entirely consistent

it's still primary season

his consistent strategy has been to pry people away from Uniparty and to identify instead with his gut and "straight talk"

when everybody is looking at a Gordian knot, everybody looks for the guy with a sword

Trump consistently shows a sword

Wonky policy consistency? Now?

"Hobgoblin of little minds." Not Trumpian. Who identifies with a wonky policy consistency?

etc

Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (IIlHS)

603 I can just see somebody asking if Brussels is in Idaho.

It's in Sprouts.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 01:18 PM (uf5be)

604 flake ... nobody likes the dude that posts the spoilers before the movie debut.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 01:19 PM (zfvHs)

605 "...don't support using it in discussion and I was aware of all of this before the "cuckservative" thing went down because I wrote a paper on the ~1600s play "the Country Wife" and characters in it call each other cuckolds almost as much as 4chan members do today."

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 01:08 PM (xuouz)

You're being disengenuous. You know the Stormfront crowd uses it as a pejorative and you know damned well what they mean by it. Don't blow smoke about some paper you wrote in college a few years ago. We all knowthe classicalmeaning and contextof the term.

The reason why you're going through this arduous song and dance is because those slimy cocksucking Nazis on Stormfront and elsewhere have adopted Trump as their own. Trump's stutter-step regarding David Duke's 'endorsement' a few weeks was badly handled, especially since Trump and Duke were once involved in the now-defunct Reform Party; to his credit, Trump had criticized the Reform Party at the time for allowing David Duke anywhere near it.

So cut that shit out, please. Play it straight, no dissembling.

Posted by: troyriser at March 22, 2016 01:19 PM (UWlp+)

606 Oh man.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 01:19 PM (zOTsN)

607 The only way out of this partisan drudgery is surrealist fiction based loosely on real-life events.

Wait a minute...

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 01:14 PM (xuouz)

Eh, maybe I'll have something tomorrow or Thursday.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:19 PM (hLRSq)

608 Backwards too? I am thoroughly depressed now.
No one will be left by Election Day if we continue this trend.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 22, 2016 01:19 PM (2x3L+)

609 Proposed style guide update: in place of "Syrian refugees," use 'Syrian' 'refugees.' Or, "Islamic rape monkeys."

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 22, 2016 01:19 PM (aClUW)

610 banned

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 01:15 PM (wqVD1)

Sorry to hear that. SlapWeasel seemed to get rolling and then couldn't stop.

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 01:20 PM (4boI/)

611
\ust like the Clintons.

No Clintons don't give their own money to anyone

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 01:20 PM (lKyWE)

612 "Dukakis almost beat him."

wut?

Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 01:20 PM (IIlHS)

613 Posted by: BomberCommand at March 22, 2016 01:17 PM (7us0J)

That's not correct. He initially called for a ban. He revised that shortly thereafter.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 01:20 PM (2d71x)

614 Trump Hater: man I tell you, Trump is so immature!!

Now let me tell you some jokes about his hair for the next 20 minutes.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:21 PM (0LHZx)

615 Goddamn it, can we all just settle the fuck down? Seriously.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 22, 2016 01:21 PM (eytER)

616 540 So the Trump Cruz wars continue unabated on every comment thread still, I see. This stopped being fun a month ago.

This is what happened to many of the regulars, for those who were wondering.

They're still here, they just avoid this kind of post like the plague. And as soon as the Trump wars start up a gain, they leave.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:07 PM (39g3+)

-------------------

I dunno, haven't seen NipSip at all.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 22, 2016 01:21 PM (LXJ1e)

617 Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 22, 2016 01:16 PM (bpn7O)

He does troll the pundits, commentators, and political elites real well, doesn't he?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 22, 2016 01:21 PM (hLRSq)

618 Man backwards boy has been a gentleman 99.99% of the time.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (zOTsN)

619 >>>
You're being disengenuous. You know the Stormfront crowd uses it as a pejorative and you know damned well what they mean by it. Don't blow smoke about some paper you wrote in college a few years ago. We all knowthe classicalmeaning and contextof the term.

when that crowd is constantly posting pictures of black men with white women, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend one doesn't know this is intended as an explicitly racist epithet.

Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (dciA+)

620 Maybe a couple of days with the comments disabled would help people settle down some.

What ya think?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (WVsWD)

621 So you're surprised when a demagogic sociopath lies? So long as the Libertarian candidate isn't some 9/11 conspiracy asshole (and a lot of Libertarians are), I'll probably vote for him. If he is then "None of the Above" is as good a choice as any.

Posted by: Naes at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (Ypc8j)

622 http://bit.ly/1S3V6Ki

A good article from David French about jihad. (close enough to being on topic)

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (5hYhZ)

623
Charles Johnson had Sharmuta. Banned everyone. I think she even banned herself once.

Response from Ace: Oh noooo, that's soooo terrible. How did you endure?

If only the families of the people killed today had your capacity to soldier on despite all of life's travails.

Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (o2321)

624 Type... delete.

Type... delete.

I 'm going to start taking AtC's advice.
This is a complete mess.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (/E+t2)

625 Obama/Hillary plan on importing 100,000 Syrians. Nobody gives a fuck. Instead we parse every syllable that Trump said looking for a gotcha moment.

Why not.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (0LHZx)

626 Geez, BBoy, too?

Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 01:23 PM (4boI/)

627 All this time I thought it was in Brussels, Sprouts

They can blow those things up any time they want.

Seriously though, if people don't know which Brussels is being referred to, they aren't gonna know where Belgium is or if its even a country. ain't that a waffle?

But regarding this:

that reminds me of the era when the Dems had a bunch of hapless, tomato-can chumps battling in their primaries. Good times.

They aren't over. The country has just changed that much. Those guys got wiped out when they said 'we gotta raise taxes!' and we have Dem candidates battling over how much to raise taxes now, and winning. Dukakis would have won in today's culture.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 22, 2016 01:23 PM (39g3+)

628 627 So you're surprised when a demagogic sociopath lies? So long as the Libertarian candidate isn't some 9/11 conspiracy asshole (and a lot of Libertarians are), I'll probably vote for him. If he is then "None of the Above" is as good a choice as any.
Posted by: Naes at March 22, 2016 01:22 PM (Ypc8j)

____

THANKS!!

Posted by: President Elect - Hillary Rodham Clinton at March 22, 2016 01:23 PM (0LHZx)

629 Finally Ted is a Uniter!

A majority agree he is a weasel.

Posted by: Astor at March 22, 2016 01:23 PM (mcm0N)

630 >>> So, let's give refugees teddy-bears. That'll fix our immigration problem. Right? Ace?
*****

I could care less what anyone chooses to do with their private time or a private charity does with its funds. If I disagree with a charity, I don't give them my money.

But sure, let's trot out the horrid evil of handing out teddy bears to kids from a charity instead of talking about actual policy and enforcement of laws, things that actually are relevant to and the cause of immigration problems.

Every time Trump contradicts his "signature" policy, his supporters ignore it and want to talk about how "Hillary is worse" (in what way exactly and when has Trump ever done anything to oppose any of her policies, her husbands policies, or the policies of their foundation?) or "Teddy bears!!!".

Want to talk policy? Fine. Go read Cruz's policy proposals on immigration policy and look at his actual policy related actions. You won't do it though. If you did, you couldn't keep shouting that "Trump is the only person ever to talk about or propose anything about immigration every to infinity!!!111"

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